From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Jan 1 05:42:30 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:42:30 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971231195846.02fabd6c@online.no> Message-ID: Hi there At 19:58 31.12.97 +0100, TUBULAR 1 wrote: >I Had Hawkwind perform at the Palace a few years ago (...) > (...) two drummers (...) >Now, I saw Hawkwind 4 times, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1990 or was that >1989 (...) This guy is talking about the Chicago, Palace gig on 30.10.1974 Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 1 05:58:34 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:58:34 -0000 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: New year, new hangover... > 1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? Huw's hair > 2. What is Captain Cloud's secret identity (i.e., real name) Elvis Presley > 3. Name a BOC-L'er who is a comic shop owner. I don't think it's Albert, isn't he in a band or something? > 4. What does "R.O.D.S." stand for? Rubber, Olive oil, Dominance and Submission, in my book anyway > 5. What exactly was on the tape that Theo had been promising for years? Who cares, as long as he stops dissing the mighty Spice Girls! > 6. What southwestern U.S. town was unsuccessfully promoted as a site for > a > Blue ?yster Cult and/or Hawkwind appearance in early July, 1997? Les Vegas > 7. What is the most dangerous animal in Sweden? A drunk and disorderly neo-nazi golfing moose off his face on glogg, that's just been in trouble with the law and spent a night in the cells, and when he gets home and looks in the fridge, all there is to eat is seafood pizza! > 8. Who copied the tapes for "Hawkwind Covers All"? Gaye bikers on acid > 9. What BOC-L person is named after a character from a movie featured > on Mystery Science Theater 3000? To be perfectly frank I haven't a bastard clue, but on the other hand "Stephen Swann" is (oh so nearly!) an anagram for "Satan's nephew". > 10. Who once praised the "haunting, female backing vocals" in > Last Days of May, only to be told by Albert that those > vocals were by Joe and Albert? You did, dumbass, m-m heh heh. You thought they were chicks. Bunghole! Are you threatening me? My bunghole will speak now! BUNG-hole!!! etc etc Happy new year! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Jan 1 09:17:29 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 01:17:29 +1100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: At 11:42 1/01/98 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hi there > >At 19:58 31.12.97 +0100, TUBULAR 1 wrote: > >>I Had Hawkwind perform at the Palace a few years ago (...) >> (...) two drummers (...) > >>Now, I saw Hawkwind 4 times, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1990 or was that >1989 >(...) > >This guy is talking about the Chicago, Palace gig on 30.10.1974 > > >Bernhard > Negative, Bolle works at the Palace in LA. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au "S? var det d?" From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Jan 1 10:09:30 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:09:30 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <199801011417.BAA11892@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: Hi At 01:17 02.01.98 +1100, you wrote: >>>I Had Hawkwind perform at the Palace a few years ago (...) >>> (...) two drummers (...) >> >>>Now, I saw Hawkwind 4 times, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1990 or was that >1989 >>(...) >> >>This guy is talking about the Chicago, Palace gig on 30.10.1974 > Negative, Bolle works at the Palace in LA. But HAWKWIND didn't play on 10.10.1989 with 2 drummers. What is this guy talking about?? From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 1 10:05:47 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:05:47 +0100 Subject: Snow In-Reply-To: <10e3bb75.34ab2024@aol.com> Message-ID: At 23:48 31.12.97 EST, SET wrote: (ey, kewl anagram eh?) >Gee, I must be young at heart or something, then, because I love snow now more >than I ever did! I couldn't wait to get out there and start shoveling our >foot of snow yesterday...and I fondly remember the 28-inchers of '93 and '94! >Ah, those were the days! :-) > >SET You must be a crazy!!!! Here in Oslo all the snow is melted away, I hate snow even if we have people in these strange vehicles removing the snow for us. I am glad 1/1/98 is snow free, bodes well for the rest of the year. I am one of the few people out there who, deep down, sorta hopes the greenhouse effect is gonna make Xmas a little less white... More like tropic... cracking open a coconut in the shade under the palm tree - on the coast of Hardangerfjorden (hmm, maybe there will be no fjords, only islands by then because the snow will have melted and waterline risen..) ...and what will we do with all those meeses?? They will have to grow flippers. It will all be like a cross between Hitchhiker's Guide and Vonnegut's Galapagos... and I am looking forward to the next millenium! It's the evol-ution sol-ution baby! ah well, my new years rant, cap'n C From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 1 10:06:56 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:06:56 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980101160930.007ca340@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsu rf.de> Message-ID: At 16:09 01.01.98 +0100, you wrote: >But HAWKWIND didn't play on 10.10.1989 with 2 drummers. What is this guy >talking about?? He's not too sure!? Christian From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 1 11:10:25 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:10:25 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: Hawkwind played the Palace, Los Angeles 10-10-1989 and the show produced some of the tracks found on "Palace Springs," so you know it was a good gig! In fact I have a tape of the whole show and it's great. Of course there were absolutely not two drummers, so Bolle has no idea what he's talking about. Maybe he saw Nik Turner? Hawkwind's drummer would have been Richard Chadwick, so it's ridiculous that Bolle could talk about the bad drumming. I mean, Richard is certainly among the best-ever Hawkwind drummers and I'm sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, so I don't know where Bolle gets off bitching about it. And yes, he obviously completely missed the point of a Hawkwind show. That seething, miasmic wall of cosmic sludge is the Hawkwind sound! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Thu Jan 1 16:18:06 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:18:06 -0800 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz Message-ID: > 2. What is Captain Cloud's secret identity (i.e., real name) > "The names have been changed to protect the guilty." :-) Have a Happy Hawkwind New Year, and watch out for those mooses. ObCD: Ozric Tentacles 'Curious Corn' -- Captain Crunch, oops I mean Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ From carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA Thu Jan 1 13:18:48 1998 From: carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA (Carl Norum) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:18:48 -0600 Subject: HW: What's a good Hawkwind record? Message-ID: Hi there! I've been a BOC fan for some time now, and having read this list for quite a while, I'm thinking of picking up a Hawkwind album. I checked the local new/used record store, and they have quite a selection of Hawkwind albums. I'd like some advice on these, and on which one I should pick up. The ones they have are: Levitation Alien 4 Acid Daze I Acid Daze II Acid Daze III Live Chronicles Space Ritual 2 Space Bandits Xenon Codex Love In Space (Some psychedelic covered one, all blue and red and green... I think it's called "Space is Deep", but don't quote me on that...) and, the new album, whatever it's called...I just recognised some of the songs from having heard about them on the list. Thanks a lot! --- _________ __ / _____/____ _____ _____ _____ | | \_____ \\__ \ / \\__ \/ __ \| | / \/ __ \| Y Y |/ __ \ ____/| |__ /________ /______\__|_|__/______\_____|_____/ http://norumrez.usask.ca/samael/entrance/ Page by Carl Norum (carl at norumrez.usask.ca) for Hand of Evil Web Productions From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 1 13:48:06 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:48:06 +0100 Subject: HW: What's a good Hawkwind record? In-Reply-To: <9801011818.AA22927@norumrez.usask.ca> Message-ID: At 12:18 01.01.98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi there! I've been a BOC fan for some time now, and having read this >list for quite a while, I'm thinking of picking up a Hawkwind album. I >checked the local new/used record store, and they have quite a selection >of Hawkwind albums. I'd like some advice on these, and on which one I >should pick up. The ones they have are: Hi! Always the dilemma with HW, where to start.... The ones below are highly recommended. If you are a BOC fan, you can't go wrong with the awesom Live Chronicles! >Levitation (this is a great, textured heavy album from 1979. A recommended primer for BOC fans.) >Live Chronicles (this is the 2CD live set of their 1985 Black Sword tour - get it!! You will love it if you are a BOC fan! Very much an excellent heavy metal album on all counts.) >Space Ritual 2 (this is great early live material ca. 72.73 - fuzzy dino-metal from space! You will probably like it.) >Xenon Codex (this is a mixed bag - ranging from pink floyd-ish moments to killer industrial-ish instrumental workouts of frenetic guitar playing and spacey sounds from 1988. Maybe not the best primer but one of my personal faves.) as for the others: >Alien 4 IMO more a hodgepodge of goofy, aimless ambient drivel about alien abductions and whatnot. Has decent moments but not a recommended starting place! Ron Tree's vocals and lyrics are so awful here it works great as a comedy album but sadly the jokes aren't very good :) Recent, from 1995. >Acid Daze I >Acid Daze II >Acid Daze III these three are collections of sometimes inferior live recordings from the early 70's to the early 80's. OK, great for completists but not necessarily the best place to start. Even has some pre-Hawkwind blues tracks and alot of it is very loose jams and obviously captures the band their most drug induced haze! I suppose these are the equivilant of BOC's Live 1976! >Space Bandits Alot of people love this album but it's one of my least favorite. Some ok tracks but alot of aimless ambient miasma (which very often is a good thing but IMO not here...). That song about the dead little birds cracks me up tho! Has the female vocals of Bridgett Wishart and some good guitar stuff but, um, doesen't really add up to much at all. >Love In Space Basically this is a 2CD live version of Alien 4, just slightly rockier. I still can't bring myself to like it since it's IMO the almost most superflous HW release ever... if it had been 1 CD it would be twice as good but still not great. Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 1 22:42:12 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:42:12 +0800 Subject: HW: What's a good Hawkwind record? Message-ID: >Hi there! I've been a BOC fan for some time now, and having read this >list for quite a while, I'm thinking of picking up a Hawkwind album. I >checked the local new/used record store, and they have quite a selection >of Hawkwind albums. I'd like some advice on these, and on which one I >should pick up. The ones they have are: > >Levitation >Alien 4 >Acid Daze I >Acid Daze II >Acid Daze III >Live Chronicles >Space Ritual 2 >Space Bandits >Xenon Codex >Love In Space >(Some psychedelic covered one, all blue and red and green... I think >it's called "Space is Deep", but don't quote me on that...) >and, the new album, whatever it's called...I just recognised some of the >songs from having heard about them on the list. The 'psychedelic' one sounds like Palace Springs to me, which is a very good mix of live & studio material. It's hard to recommend these ones to a first-timer, as some are live recordings of tracks previously recorded by different line-ups. Also, the styles on some of them are different to others. I'd suggest going for some of the latter ones on the list, from "Live Chronicles" onwards. Maybe skip Space Bandits which, even though I really, really like it, isn't really a good pick for someone new to the band. Love in Space is mainly Alien 4 live, plus some Robert Calvert era songs included. It's good, but the original Calvert material is better. None of the albums you list have any of this material, other than the Acid Daze albums, which have one or two tracks. I hope some of that helps. William From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 2 00:54:21 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:54:21 -0500 Subject: Snow Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-01 10:11:58 EST, you write: << I hate snow >> How sad, to be unable to appreciate the beauty, magic and wonder of snow... SET P.S. My favorite season is summer, however...the hotter, the better! My ideal year would be two or three months of snow, snow, snow, followed by sunshine and temperatures in the nineties for the rest of the year...:-) From jdacombe at CSC.COM Fri Jan 2 09:09:25 1998 From: jdacombe at CSC.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:09:25 +0000 Subject: HW - Cuttings Message-ID: Dear All, Is there anybody else out there who avidly collects HW music paper cuttings? If so, are you interested in exchanging some with me? I have literally hundreds spanning 1970-1997 and am always looking to expand further. Please E-mail me privately if you are interested. Cheers, Jez From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 2 10:20:57 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:20:57 -0500 Subject: HW: What's a good Hawkwind record? Message-ID: >of Hawkwind albums. I'd like some advice on these, and on which one I >should pick up. The ones they have are: > >Levitation Get this if you don't have it. A must-have. >Live Chronicles Also get this one.... After that, it's what you can afford, but I'd recommend >Space Bandits >Xenon Codex these two next.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 2 10:41:10 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:41:10 -0600 Subject: Still Rolling Stones Message-ID: >Coulda fooled me. Love the way these guys make personal attacks and >then say: don't take it personal, i.e. don't say anything mean about >me now that I've attacked you! >theo Yeah but we have been here long enough to know that when you frag someones band they tend to get a little agitated. Its no biggie in my mind. Again no one can argue that the Stones aren't a very sucessful band, but like all music it comes down to a matter of personal taste. Theo>Seems like a lot of people bought a lot of New Kids on the Block, Vanilla Ice and Spice Girls records over the ages too! Financial success is hardly the measure of any band's work. This is very true today. I don't thinks band were hyped as much in the 70's 80's, that was radio's job. But while I agree with this sentiment for new bands I don't think its true for the older bands. The Stones earning $90 million on a tour goes directly to a legitimate fan base that has remained loyal for decades. Stones play, fans pay. Thats true for Kiss on their reunion tour last year which was the biggest. Maybe this shows that once a band has a following that following is pretty much consistent as long as the band continues to play. Check it on any scale. We jump at chances to see BOC even though there has been no new music for years. Kiss tour was the same, no original material for years but lots of tickets sold. Spice Girls may be the new Hootie, hyped for one or two big efforts but at the first sign of dwindling sales, tossed on the has been heap by their own label. Tough business. Neil>"Now if BOC were up there with big stage sets, we'd all be happy, right ? :)" I'd be happy for the band but selfishly I love seeing them in smaller venues. Better opportunity to meet them after the gig and I think (just my HO) they play harder when they can smell the audience's breath. > OBCD - Sea Level, Best of... Theo>Hey AB, is this one of the new Capricorn reissues? They're putting out all the early Allmans stuff remastered, as well as SL! I'll check but its not new. I got this about two years ago. Was looking to find their first two albums on CD (I got vinyl) and it was all I saw in the slot. Jumped at a chance to get this one. Its really good stuff. >9. What BOC-L person is named after a character from a movie featured on Mystery Science Theater 3000? I can answer this one, Rob Sedler (aka Torgo). However as comic fans know this is the name of a robot encountered by the Fantastic Four's Ben Grimm, both had been kidnapped by Skrulls and forced to battle each other in a gladiator pit. Great line "I am Torgo, first among equals." Happy New year all. lil' ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 2 10:48:48 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:48:48 -0600 Subject: HW: What's a good Hawkwind record? Message-ID: >Live Chronicles >(this is the 2CD live set of their 1985 Black Sword tour - get it!! You >will love it if you are a BOC fan! Very much an excellent heavy metal album >on all counts.) >From a staunch BOC Fan: I have the single cd version, first HW music I ever heard and I love it. Live '79 floats my boat too. lil' ab From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 2 11:56:59 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:56:59 EST Subject: Torgo Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-02 10:50:33 EST, you write: << I can answer this one, Rob Sedler (aka Torgo). However as comic fans know this is the name of a robot encountered by the Fantastic Four's Ben Grimm, both had been kidnapped by Skrulls and forced to battle each other in a gladiator pit. Great line "I am Torgo, first among equals." >> All right, somebody who knows his comic book references! :-) SET (The OTHER comic store owner on BOC-L, btw...) From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jan 2 22:02:24 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:02:24 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: , I saw Hawkwind 4 times, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1990 or was that >1989 > >>(...) > >> > >>This guy is talking about the Chicago, Palace gig on 30.10.1974 > > Negative, Bolle works at the Palace in LA. > > But HAWKWIND didn't play on 10.10.1989 with 2 drummers. What is this guy > talking about?? Some hallucinogenic drugs have been known to cause double vision... Charlie From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sat Jan 3 12:43:26 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:43:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Bainbridge/Allen/Mothers/Cooper!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971228025951.02fa4820@online.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, c mumford wrote: > It's more psychedelic than prog per se, but I've been enjoying the > new _Lunar Muzik_ CD by Ant-Bee very much. The prog connection > is the contributions by Daevid Allen, Harry Williamson and Harvey > Bainbridge, > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/antbee/ > If you go there and thence to the site of the distributor (Divine Records) http://www.magic.fr/indie-musique/divine/ there is info about a new Moonloonies CD Moonloonies - Science Magik Art- Divine Underground stars with psychedelic band Shockhead, Crum and Cosmo have now created the Moonloonies. They produce an excellent following to Detonator, their first piece of skunking space psychedelia. just so we all know. Mike w From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Jan 3 20:50:23 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:50:23 -0800 Subject: HW: For Sale Message-ID: Desparate for cash!! These are vinyl records. Hall of the Mt. Grill, UA US, spine coming apart a bit at the top, good condition otherwise Quark Strangeness & Charm, Charisma, Australia, very good condition, no lyric sheet Hawklords: 25 Years On, Charisma, US, Promo Copy, good condition, sleeve a bit worn Price range 5-10 dollars each Thanks, Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 3 20:53:13 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 02:53:13 +0100 Subject: HW 911 Message-ID: Table Of Contents: Definition Poisonous ingredient Where found Symptoms Home treatment Before calling emergency Call 911, Poison Control, or a local emergency number What to expect at the emergency room Expectations (prognosis) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Definition: Poisoning from an overdose of Hawkwind. Poisonous ingredient: ?Hawkwind ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where found: ?Fields of loitering long hairs in the summer, shabby venues, a mud ridden lot in Devon, vans filled with long hairs, stereo equipment located in squats or low rent housing, near-derelict automobiles, maladjusted homes or sleazy comic book stores. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Symptoms: ?unsteadiness ?tremor ?convulsions ?fever ?flushed skin ?dilated pupils ?rapid heartbeat ?depression ?excitation ?drowsiness ?nervousness ?hallucinations ?disorientation ?delirium ?coma ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home treatment: The standard procedure is to induce emesis (vomiting) unless the patient is unconscious or experiencing convulsions. Before inducing emesis, contact Poison Control for verification. If instructed to induce emesis, the standard procedure is as follows: Give the usual dose of Budweiser beer: 15 milliliters (ml) or 1 TABLEspoonful for children and 30 ml (2 TABLEspoonsful) for adults. Follow with 1/2 glassful or 4 ounces (oz.) of water for children or 8 to 12 oz. of water for adults. Repeat 1 more time in 1/2 hour if emesis has not occurred. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before calling emergency: Determine the following information: ?the patient's age, weight, and condition ?name of album/song(s) and/or setlist (as well as the musical equipment and decibel level if known) ?the time it was heard ?the amount heard ?if the Hawkwind was prescribed for the patient ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call 911, Poison Control, or a local emergency number: They will instruct you if it is necessary to take the patient to the hospital. See Poison Control centers for telephone numbers and addresses. Take the band and/or video/audio tapes/discs with you to the emergency room. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What to expect at the emergency room: Some or all of the following procedures may be performed: ?Induce emesis. ?Administer activated charcoal. ?Administer a laxative. ?Use gastric lavage. ?Treat the symptoms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Expectations (prognosis): If the patient survives the first 24 hours, survival is likely. Few patients actually die from a Hawkwind overdose. From kg at THING.DE Sun Jan 4 17:58:16 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:58:16 +0100 Subject: Nik / The Moor / K.G. tour news (Belgium, Belgium, Belgium) Message-ID: hi there, NEWS NEWS NEWS on the tour of THE MOOR with NIK TURNER & Mr. G. Prague has unfortunately been cancelled - due to problems with the organizers... these are the new dates - watch out all you Belgians, Dutch and everyone living near Li?ge...: 13. Jan. 98 - Li?ge (Belgium) - location: La Zone 14. Jan. 98 - Noerdlingen / Moettingen - location: Woodstock (with support "Golden Buddha" - from California....wow.) much more infos on all this and the other gigs, the band, the other artistas etc. at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm best, knut From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 5 00:59:22 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:59:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aural Innovations - spacerock 'zine Message-ID: Aural Innovations is a new zine, and the first 8 page "preview" issue is out, containing reviews of Ozric Tentacles, Alien Planetscapes, Architectural Metaphor, DarXtar, Porcupine Tree, Dark Sun, Holy River Family Band and the Orion Space Rock Festival in Baltimore, MD, where Alien Planetscapes, Escapade, Architectural Metaphor, Fingerpaint and Quarkspace alll played. In addition it has an interview with Paul Williams from Quarkspace and a far out cosmic fairy tale! The international edition is availible from Jerry Kranitz at jkranitz at infinet.com . He is also looking for people who run shops to take in copies. #1 I believe is totally free!! So get in touch.... the more, the better, the next # will be out in April and be 16 pages long..... and so on! Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 5 07:01:15 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:01:15 EDT Subject: Snow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: StevenTice > SET > > P.S. My favorite season is summer, however...the hotter, the better! My > ideal year would be two or three months of snow, snow, snow, followed by > sunshine and temperatures in the nineties for the rest of the year...:-) Well, that 2 1/2 feet of snow we got in a day and a half is now gone! Or at least it will be today. Rained most of the weekend w/ temps in the 50s. I'll be playing a round of golf on Weds. w/any luck! Go figure... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 5 07:17:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:17:38 EDT Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <199801011610.LAA00345@wcic.org> Message-ID: > From: John Majka > I mean, Richard is certainly among the best-ever Hawkwind drummers and I'm > sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, so I > don't know where Bolle gets off bitching about it. And yes, he obviously > completely missed the point of a Hawkwind show. That seething, miasmic wall > of cosmic sludge is the Hawkwind sound! Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll realize the absurdity of such a statement! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 5 09:49:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:49:28 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: >> sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, >Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll realize the absurdity of such a statement! While I strongly agree with Theo on the talents of BOC's original drummer (and no, I'm not trying to be a bootlicker just 'cuz he's a listmember), let's not get into a BOC vs Hawkwind debate on BOC-L. We here on BOC-L pride ourselves on being rational and respective of other bands -- even if sometimes people not on BOC-L (or not on BOC-L anymore) perceive us. There's been a somewhat heated discussion about BOC-L on the newsgroup, "alt.music.blueoystercult", and I'm trying to correct some misinterpretations of BOC-L and its members. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 5 09:53:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:53:35 -0600 Subject: Off: Comic Books Message-ID: << I can answer this one, Rob Sedler (aka Torgo). However as comic fans know this is the name of a robot encountered by the Fantastic Four's Ben Grimm, both had been kidnapped by Skrulls and forced to battle each other in a gladiator pit. Great line "I am Torgo, first among equals." >> >All right, somebody who knows his comic book references! :-) >SET >(The OTHER comic store owner on BOC-L, btw...) I'm an older generation guy when it comes to the Spandex crew. They were my thing back when Thor was undoubteldly superior to the Hulk. Spidey was my favorite until they started that multiple title/clonning crap. Man I put Comics down for a long time. Today I collect only a few. Thunderbolts are good as are parts of the Hero's reborn stuff, but that could have been handled a lot better. Of course I stayed up with the Onslaught saga. Quick question, what the hells is going on with Superman these days? Bad enough they kill him and bring him back but this new version chokes me. Saw some of the new Creeper and thats another yeech for me. Creeper had great possibilities when first intro'd through Batman but today he's just another pyscho with powers. Better stop now I could get carried away big time. lil' ab "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick The Tick would have made a neat Avenger :-) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 5 09:22:12 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:22:12 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: > > Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about > anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll > realize the absurdity of such a statement! > That's BOC's *ex*-drummer, then :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 5 09:18:56 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:18:56 EDT Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <199801051449.JAA23147@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >> sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, > > >Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about > anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll > realize the absurdity of such a statement! > > > While I strongly agree with Theo on the talents of BOC's original drummer > (and no, I'm not trying to be a bootlicker just 'cuz he's a listmember), > let's not get into a BOC vs Hawkwind debate on BOC-L. We here on BOC-L I didn't intend to attack any of HW's drummers, as I haven't listened to them enough to offer a qualified opinion. But I do know a lot about the former drummer in BOC, and I stand by my opinion that he's one of the greatest percussionists ever in rock! > pride ourselves on being rational and respective of other bands -- even > if sometimes people not on BOC-L (or not on BOC-L anymore) perceive us. As long as the band isn't Rush! Sorry, Sorry, Sorry... > There's been a somewhat heated discussion about BOC-L on the newsgroup, > "alt.music.blueoystercult", and I'm trying to correct some misinterpretations > of BOC-L and its members. > > John We are irreverent and opinionated. But our irreverence and strong opinions have arisen from our being knowledgeable music fans. If we're misstating things, let others prove us wrong. Engage us in debate, but don't blow us off automatically as assholes. Let us prove that ourselves! BTW, how does one sign up for alt.music.blueoystercult? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 5 09:26:06 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:26:06 EDT Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <01BD19E5.7A89D360.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > > > Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about > > anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll > > realize the absurdity of such a statement! > > > > That's BOC's *ex*-drummer, then :) > > -Andy All too true, the saddest story in this BOC fan's life... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 5 11:14:32 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:14:32 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <168096E1B09@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 10:18 05.01.98 EDT, theo wrote: >I didn't intend to attack any of HW's drummers, as I haven't listened >to them enough to offer a qualified opinion. But I do know a lot >about the former drummer in BOC, and I stand by my opinion that he's >one of the greatest percussionists ever in rock! How're dem HW tapes sittin with ya? AND WHERE ARE MY GODDAMN TAPES THEO??? EH? Now get off yer fat lazy old dope smokin 70s fossil whitey greaser rockerboy acid casualty candy ass and make me some fucking rock'n'roll tapes or I'll raise some serious fucking hell on BOC-L with "theo" firmly placed in the motherfuckin' header!!!! ;)))) >> There's been a somewhat heated discussion about BOC-L on the newsgroup, >> "alt.music.blueoystercult", and I'm trying to correct some misinterpretations >> of BOC-L and its members. >> John That nasty s n a f u fellow seems to be sputtering much unneccesary flame there... down, boy! Down! >We are irreverent and opinionated. But our irreverence and strong >opinions have arisen from our being knowledgeable music fans. If >we're misstating things, let others prove us wrong. Engage us in >debate, but don't blow us off automatically as assholes. Let us >prove that ourselves! Oh, do we need to? ;) >BTW, how does one sign up for alt.music.blueoystercult? Well, first you have to send a submission to the dominant alt.music organization in your area by email (I believe it is alt.music at syracuse.submit.use.net) with your server SPI # EP number and class verification module # number and account SPD details (just skip the part with the modem BPS-CPU data which they don't need but include the port connection valve indicator number(s)). Then they will send someone over to shoot you. :) Seriously..... you need a newsreader :) Download Agent (or any good newsreader) from the net and install and if you have news access you should be able to even get alt.music.rush!! and about 30 000 (?) other groups! Christian > >theo > >................................... >"I told you not to be stupid..." >--Ben S. From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Mon Jan 5 11:27:38 1998 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (RBrent1044) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:27:38 EST Subject: Off: Comic Books Message-ID: I guess that makes me the OTHER OTHER comic shop owner on BOC-L. I opened my first comic book store in 1983 at the tender age of 19, but I've been a collector since '75. Blue Oyster Cult kind of hit me the same way comics did, and I've never recovered from either (my entire life has been like "love comics-collect and deal them" "love BOC, play guitar in a rock and roll band" "love movies-go to law school become a film producer".....I can never do anything half-assed.....if I'm in, I'm IN.) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 5 11:17:33 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:33 +0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "BREVARD, Adrian R." writes >I'm an older generation guy when it comes to the Spandex crew. They were >my thing back when Thor was undoubteldly superior to the Hulk. Spidey >was my favorite until they started that multiple title/clonning crap. >Man I put Comics down for a long time. Today I collect only a few. >Thunderbolts are good as are parts of the Hero's reborn stuff, but that >could have been handled a lot better. Of course I stayed up with the >Onslaught saga. Quick question, what the hells is going on with >Superman these days? Bad enough they kill him and bring him back but >this new version chokes me. Saw some of the new Creeper and thats >another yeech for me. Creeper had great possibilities when first >intro'd through Batman but today he's just another pyscho with powers. >Better stop now I could get carried away big time. > >lil' ab Superman has been split into two independant entities, Superman Red & Superman Blue. Both are as dull as dishwater. Don't be too put out about them changing Supes as the one the killed/brought back/changed wasn't the Superman you love anyway. He died when Curt Swan stopped drawing him. Superhero stuff, even when done well, has been done to death. The only hero title I really enjoy these days is Kurt Busiek's Astro City. Like in the '50's, the good stuff these days is in crime, sci-fi, horror. Do you read Frank Miller's Sin City? That's as we say in England, The Dog's Bollocks. Preachers good, Invisibles is often excellant and, as it's an actionable rip-off of Jerry Cornelius, should appeal to most on BOC-L. Moorcock's doing a readable book for DC, Multiverse. Fantagraphics continue to publish sterling work from the likes of P. Bagge (the post-punk Crumb) and Clowes (the post-punk punk). You can still get Barks' duck reprints, but not for long so buy now. Strangers In Paradise is an excellant soap title which brings women into comic shops (a novelty). Many of our regulars have finally turned wives and girlfriends onto comics with this title. Not that it's aimed at women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for a change. -- Jon ObCD David Holmes "Let's Get Killed" - (inc. my brother's remix as Delakota) at #34!! plug, plug! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 5 13:09:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:09:34 EDT Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980105171432.02fb5200@online.no> Message-ID: > From: C Mumford > > How're dem HW tapes sittin with ya? AND WHERE ARE MY GODDAMN TAPES THEO??? > EH? > Now get off yer fat lazy old dope smokin 70s fossil whitey greaser > rockerboy acid casualty candy ass and make me some fucking rock'n'roll > tapes or I'll raise some serious fucking hell on BOC-L with "theo" firmly > placed in the motherfuckin' header!!!! ;)))) > > May a superior beer-swilling golfer chase you into the path of a rabid marauding moose in full view of the local unsympathetic gendarmerie, who will mistakenly identify you as the olympic stadium bomber... oh yeah...happy new year to you too! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 5 14:32:54 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:32:54 +0100 Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:17 05.01.98 +0000, lil' ab wrote: >Saw some of the new Creeper and thats >>another yeech for me. Creeper had great possibilities when first >>intro'd through Batman but today he's just another pyscho with powers. >>Better stop now I could get carried away big time. Hmm, I liked the new Creeper - despite the "psycho gimmick" I think it has interesting possibilities... and kickass inks by Sal Buscema (always hated his brother's art :) Jon Browne writes: >Superman has been split into two independant entities, Superman Red & >Superman Blue. Both are as dull as dishwater. Once again, revamping the old *classic* tale >sigh<.... what, this is the 5th time now?? Haven't read Superman for about 3 years - absolutely loved the great soap opera style the books had (and guess still have) for some years.... the whole "Jimmy's homeless while ma and pa Kent are in trouble and Supes has lost his memory on a distant planet while Cat's kid gets offed and Lois almost cheating on Clark with the hispanic lover"-thang... > Don't be too put out about >them changing Supes as the one the killed/brought back/changed wasn't >the Superman you love anyway. He died when Curt Swan stopped drawing >him. I (as just about everyone into comics) grew up with Swan, but I differ there, as much as I love Swan for sentimental reasons :) Hell, the guy, like Jim Aparo drew people made of cardboard but sure could tell a story and knew his solid draftsmanship inside out. I was lucky enough to have Tex Blaisdell (hard drinkin'/smokin' veteran Swan inker, who claims he was on the phone with Wally Wood when he dropped dead at his drawing table AND was in the same car crash that killed Alex Raymond!!!!!! (Flash Gordon creator)) and Jose Delbo (Wonder Woman & just about every DC character) as art teachers. > Superhero stuff, even when done well, has been done to death. The >only hero title I really enjoy these days is Kurt Busiek's Astro City. >Like in the '50's, the good stuff these days is in crime, sci-fi, >horror. I've wanted to check this out for a long time... I am just trying out superhero books again after about 3 years, and the new Fantastic Four was a truly great surprise - very stylish and classic - and RIGHT!!! IMO :) Marvel have had their head up their ass for nearly 15 years maybe bancrupcy was the cure?? > Do you read Frank Miller's Sin City? That's as we say in >England, The Dog's Bollocks. Bah. Frank's descended into formala - might as well have Hart D. Fischer ghosting his scripts IMO :) "Just insert 'fuck' and 'shit' in every sentence" :) > Preachers good, Great great great book. HELLBLAZER remains, IMO, the most consistently great fucking title with less than 5 crap issues in a 120 issue run.... IMO :) > Invisibles is often >excellant and, as it's an actionable rip-off of Jerry Cornelius, should >appeal to most on BOC-L. I never really recovered from Morrison melting my mind back in the Animal Man and early Doom Patrol daze.... sploosh! > Moorcock's doing a readable book for DC, >Multiverse. I find some of it pretty inaccessible like his Blood books.... maybe I finally burnt out on him??? The OTHER guy next to Morrison who burned a blazing synaptic trail thru my impressionable mind in the 80s?? >Fantagraphics continue to publish sterling work from the >likes of P. Bagge (the post-punk Crumb) and Clowes (the post-punk punk). >You can still get Barks' duck reprints, but not for long so buy now. >Strangers In Paradise is an excellant soap title which brings women into >comic shops (a novelty). Many of our regulars have finally turned wives >and girlfriends onto comics with this title. Not that it's aimed at >women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for a change. Read an issue of this, very subtle, very well done. I also recommend Matt Wagner's (finally!) new Mage series! And Bill Willingham's Coventry. And ANYTHING by Rick Veitch... (the THIRD guy to revamp my head back in the 80's Swamp Thing - Moore may have a way with words, but Veitch is COSMIC! His current stuff is so far out I wonder how his kids will end up... raised by an insane/genius cartoonist >shudder<) And, finally, the late, great and short lived recent Vermillion from Helix/DC! Man, what an underrated series that was and I urge everyone to search the cheapie bins for these!! >Jon >ObCD David Holmes "Let's Get Killed" - (inc. my brother's remix as Delakota) at >#34!! plug, plug! Damn!!! So which one of you do your parents consider the most successful? :) Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 5 15:04:35 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:04:35 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <16BE1A90656@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 14:09 05.01.98 EDT, theo wrote: >> >May a superior beer-swilling golfer chase you into the path of a >rabid marauding moose in full view of the local unsympathetic >gendarmerie, who will mistakenly identify you as the olympic stadium >bomber... I love these impromptu verbal excercises. Of course you remember my salvo was rehearsed a while back :) Anyway, I *am* the olympic stadium bomber! And who will this unsympathetic beer swilling golfer be then? Alice stopped drinkin'... >oh yeah...happy new year to you too! > Happy new year! Christian PS: dig out your old comics! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 5 16:09:55 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:09:55 -0800 Subject: HW: Covers again! (new ST37) Message-ID: 'ello and Happy New Year! ... back from holidays with the folks, plus a week spent rockin' out with a dozen friends in a snow-surrounded barn outside of Albequerque. While shopping at my fomer flatmate's mail-order record operation (PLUG: BlackJack Records / PO Box 2783 / Edgewood, NM 87015), I picked up a CD compilation of "Texas PsychedelExperimental" bands entitled 'Acid Ranch 2000'. The only act I was familiar with (although I think that some of the bands are one-offs from ex-Mike Gunn members and the like, but maybe not) were Crevice (whose two CD's of psychspacenoiseweirdimprov are pretty great mindmelters). But the reason I'm writing about the comp (besides the fact that it's very good, ranging from heavy to twistedly weird to downright acid-poppy) is that it includes a band called 101 Theremins (featuring Paul Love) performing "Psonik Attahk", which, according to the credits, is "based on 'Sonic Attack' (Hawkwind)" (sic). A pretty wacky version, NOT recommended to Hawkfans who don't like to see their favorite lyrics f*cked with (something along the lines of "In case of Sonic Attack on your district ... you better run like hell!"). Far more essential for Hawkfans is 'SpaceAge', the new ST37 CD/LP+7" (haven't seen the vinyl format yet - the band only received 5 copies) on Black Widow (the Italian label that released the latest Architectural Metaphor album). Not only is it a SUPERB space/kraut-rock album (up there with the '97 releases by F/i and Alien Planetscapes), it also includes (as mentioned on the list a week or two ago) a cover of "Orgone Accumulator" that should probably be co-credited to Patti Smith, since it concludes with a rant on Wilhelm Reich that sounds just like the rap she introduced "Birdland" with in her live performances. There are also covers of "Vitamin C" (Can), "March of the Chrome Police" (Chrome) and "Deutsch Nepal" (Amon D??l II), as well as 8 or 9 excellent originals (one of which is based on the same J.G. Ballard novella that I was reading on the airplane between Oakland and Cleveland). This is the third ST37 full-length, and probably their best yet (the first, 'The Invisible College' is quite good, but the second, 'Glare' is still a vast improvement); it's HEAVY throughout, and even the slower tracks are still powerful and menacing; lots of the songs have that unstoppable driving Neu/Can groove; and, needless to say, all the heavy guitar riffing is splattered with swirling synth/electronic noises. I'm still annoyed that I missed their set at Strange Daze (that damned construction on I-90!), as it's been something like 5 years since I've seen them perform (that was the only time they've been to California) ... anyone want to trade me a tape of their set for some rare/unreleased ST37 material? By the way, the F/i CD 'Heliscopium', which was pre-released at Strange Daze, is officially out and should be in hip record stores everywhere by now ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 5 16:17:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:33 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: > But I do know a lot about the former drummer in BOC, and I stand by my opinion that he's one of the greatest percussionists ever in rock! And you'll get no argument from me! >We are irreverent and opinionated. But our irreverence and strong opinions have arisen from our being knowledgeable music fans. If we're misstating things, let others prove us wrong. Engage us in debate, but don't blow us off automatically as assholes. Let us prove that ourselves! LOL. Actually, the poster causing all the trouble is an ex-BOC-Ler that had a bad experience here - mainly that she's a BOC fan with no use for Hawkwind, and subscribed during a time when the discussions here were about 99% Hawkwind, so she unsubscribed. My issue is that she fails to understand that while the BOC/HW pairing may seem illogical to some, that Hawkwind is not, as she says, "riding the coat tails of BOC", and she refused to acknowlege that many of us who are BOC fans (and not neccesarily HW fans) enjoy BOC-L -- hell, I've been on here for 4 years and I think I know a bit more about the workings of BOC-L than she does, but that hasn't stopped her from totally dismissing my arguments. John From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Jan 5 16:38:23 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:38:23 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <199801052117.QAA23594@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >LOL. Actually, the poster causing all the trouble is an ex-BOC-Ler >that had a bad experience here - mainly that she's a BOC fan with no >use for Hawkwind, and subscribed during a time when the discussions >here were about 99% Hawkwind, so she unsubscribed. My issue is that >she fails to understand that while the BOC/HW pairing may seem illogical >to some, that Hawkwind is not, as she says, "riding the coat tails of >BOC", and she refused to acknowlege that many of us who are BOC fans >(and not neccesarily HW fans) enjoy BOC-L -- hell, I've been on here >for 4 years and I think I know a bit more about the workings of BOC-L >than she does, but that hasn't stopped her from totally dismissing my >arguments. > >John You probably won't get any further with her John....she's already taken on Bolle and got defensive when I told her it was a little silly to try to claim any one person was the best songwriter in BOC...... From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Jan 5 16:58:41 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:58:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers again! (new ST37) Message-ID: Doug says (abbrev): Does anyone know where the ST37 albums (the last two) [Excellent band, want 'em] might be available on a web accessible sotre ? or DOug do you want to give me a phone number for yer mates place ? Cheers, Steve L > > While shopping at my fomer flatmate's mail-order record operation (PLUG: > BlackJack Records / PO Box 2783 / Edgewood, NM 87015), > > Far more essential for Hawkfans is 'SpaceAge', the new ST37 CD/LP+7" > (haven't seen the vinyl format yet - the band only received 5 copies) on > Black Widow (the Italian label that released the latest Architectural > Metaphor album). Not only is it a SUPERB space/kraut-rock album (up there > with the '97 releases by F/i and Alien Planetscapes), it also includes (as > mentioned on the list a week or two ago) a cover of "Orgone Accumulator" > that should probably be co-credited to Patti Smith, > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 5 18:27:24 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:27:24 -0800 Subject: HW: Covers again! (new ST37) Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > Does anyone know where the ST37 albums (the last two) [Excellent band, want > 'em] might be > available on a web accessible sotre ? or DOug do you want to give me a phone > number for yer mates place ? The newest ST37 album ('SpaceAge') is listed on the Delerium Freak emporium web page: http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakemp/frkmptop.html, although only the vinyl is listed (I'd expect them to have the CD, too, since it isn't nearly as limited). As for the previous one (the vinyl-only double-LP 'Glare'), I'm pretty sure that the band still has copies, but I wouldn't have any idea where to look on the web. They also probably have copies of 'SpaceAge' on CD. ST37 can be reached at: PO Box 4962 Austin, TX 78765 I know that BlackJack doesn't have the new ST37 (yet - they did have 'Glare' when it came out), but their web catalog is at: http://www.nmol.com/users/blakjack/index.htm Good luck! Both albums are easily worth the import price ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kg at THING.DE Mon Jan 5 20:54:13 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:54:13 +0100 Subject: HW: whatever happened to hawkwind.com Message-ID: hi, anybody else has a problem when trying to reach www.hawkwind.com? is the site off? stalker From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 5 21:47:51 1998 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:47:51 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Sonic Assassins 12" Message-ID: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Pierre Cote Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:54:34 -0500 (EST) To: OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au Subject: Sonic Assassins 12" Cc: bz952 at freenet.carleton.ca Hi ! I have a copy of a 12" vinyl record of Hawkwind recorded live Christmas Eve 1977, including a merchandise order form. Would anyone be interested in purchasing this article ? (I am selling everything I possess including my vinyl collection)... Regrads Pierre -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Jan 6 00:00:47 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:00:47 EST Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-05 11:30:20 EST, you write: << I guess that makes me the OTHER OTHER comic shop owner on BOC-L. I opened my first comic book store in 1983 at the tender age of 19, but I've been a collector since '75. Blue Oyster Cult kind of hit me the same way comics did, and I've never recovered from either (my entire life has been like "love comics-collect and deal them" "love BOC, play guitar in a rock and roll band" "love movies-go to law school become a film producer".....I can never do anything half-assed.....if I'm in, I'm IN.) >> Look out! We're multiplying! Isn't it interesting that so many comics folks are into BOC? I mean, given how few comics stores there are in existence anymore, plus the small percentage of those who actually have internet access, isn't it amazing that there should be three of us on this list? (Assuming there aren't MORE lurking out there, of course! :-) SET From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Jan 6 00:41:38 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:41:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: speaking of comics... Message-ID: All this talk about comic books reminds me of when I used to work for Friendly Frank's Distribution at their worldwide headquarters. FFD was bought out a few years back after a serious shake-up in the comics industry, but before the buy-out it was the third-largest worldwide distributor of wholesale comic books. I was the bookkeeper there, responsible for calling up people and demanding their money, among other things. Downstairs from my office was the warehouse proper where new books arrived and were sorted out for orders. Oftentimes I would be hanging out down there and sometimes there would be a shitty cassette player (or sometimes even a good one) and we'd listen to all kinds of cool music. One day this guy from a retail store walked in to pick up his books and he was dressed completely in black, with a long black trenchcoat and black sunglasses with very pale white skin and black gloves. He was singing something under his breath, and as he got closer I freaked out because it was "Spirit of the Age" by Hawkwind. We became fast friends after that. Thereafter I was always sure to have some Hawkwind tapes available to be played downstairs. A few times some of the guys even drank beer, smoked pot, and dropped acid, getting goofier by the minute, while Hawkwind blared and they packed boxes! It was a fun place to work out and I even got to talk to Harlan Ellison on the phone one time. Sandman was my favorite comic... and of course all the underground stuff... Savage Henry (with its Klaus Schulze story lines) was always a fave... Memories.... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 6 01:29:04 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:04 +0100 Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? In-Reply-To: <4b218d1c.34b1ba81@aol.com> Message-ID: At 00:00 06.01.98 EST, SET wrote: >Isn't it interesting that so many comics folks are into BOC? I mean, given >how few comics stores there are in existence anymore, plus the small >percentage of those who actually have internet access, isn't it amazing that >there should be three of us on this list? > >(Assuming there aren't MORE lurking out there, of course! :-) I think it's fairly obvious - the whole BOC & HW sci-fi connection... cap'n C From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 6 03:05:23 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:05:23 -0000 Subject: HW: whatever happened to hawkwind.com Message-ID: I've had problems for days now. With www.hawkwind.com that is. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 6 08:12:30 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:12:30 PST Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? Message-ID: >Isn't it interesting that so many comics folks are into BOC? Wasn't it said a while ago that BOC wrote _intelligent_ songs about serious arcane topics. They made us think and we loved 'em for it. And isn't that what a good comic/graphic novel does? >I mean, given >how few comics stores there are in existence anymore, plus the small >percentage of those who actually have internet access, isn't it >amazing that there should be three of us on this list? My head is done in totally by these stats. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 6 08:28:44 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:28:44 PST Subject: OFF: speaking of comics... Message-ID: -John Majka clearly stated... >Sandman was my favorite comic... Is this comic not secretly subtitled "The Further Doctrines of Immaginos"??? -John Majka previously recalled... >One day this guy from a retail store walked in to pick up his books >and he was dressed completely in black, with a long black trenchcoat >and black sunglasses with very pale white skin and black gloves. Are you sure you hadn't just met Sandman/Imaginos. D'you remember the issue where the Sandman agrees to meet the same guy (who had decided not to grow any older) in the same place, every 100 years.... Maybe that's YOU. ohmigod. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 6 09:12:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:12:49 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! Message-ID: >You probably won't get any further with her John Probably true - and I think I've said about all I can on that thread so I'm gonna (try to?) drop it. (...and there was much rejoicing...) John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 6 09:20:23 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:20:23 +0000 Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980106072904.030bc550@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19980106072904.030bc550 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >I think it's fairly obvious - the whole BOC & HW sci-fi connection... > >cap'n C I agree, it is a pretty natural association. What does surprise me is that a) more people don't read comics. b) More people do not acknowledge HW as the hugely important, influential recording outfit and national treasure they are. PS I still think Sin City pisses royally just about everything inc. Preacher (which I do like) but Paul Jenkins Hellblazers just suck. sorry, but he's missed the point of the book and sales have gone for a Burton. Bring back Delano. or even Ennis. -- Jon ObVinyl Obscura "Peace, Love and Poetry" 60's psyche/garage comp from Peru/Chile/Argentina/Brazil - wild! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 6 09:31:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:31:07 +0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980105203254.02fbb654@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19980105203254.02fbb654 at online.no>, C Mumford writes >>ObCD David Holmes "Let's Get Killed" - (inc. my brother's remix as >Delakota) at >>#34!! plug, plug! > > >Damn!!! So which one of you do your parents consider the most successful? :) > >Christian I am most proud of my brother. I brought him up 100% since I was 15 and he was 8. Long story. Hawkwind was my dad instead :) -- Jon From dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 6 11:40:01 1998 From: dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK (Dag Luterek) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:40:01 +0000 Subject: Hello Message-ID: Well I figured it might be a good idea to introduce myself as I have just signed on to the list. My name is Dag Luterek, I live in London with my wife and our 3 rats. I am obsessed with BOC but I am also a huge fan of The Hawklords... That's why I am suprised that there was a flame war started when I asked about this list on the alt.music.boc news group. I totally see the link between these bands, as they tackle the outer reaches of the psyche without losing their edge and just being able to rock in a big way. The problem with 'trippy' music is that it sometimes get's a background music feel, this is not the case with BOC and Hawkwind. I am also a big fan of 'Kraut Rock' n' some industrial music. Anyways here goes my BOC top 10: 1. SECRET TREATIES The ultimate... say no more, say no more. 2. BLUE OYSTER CULT I really like some of the less obvious tunes on this one like Screams,She's as Beautiful as a Foot and Workshop... 3. TYRANNY AND MUTATION The lyrics are superb on this one especially 'Quick Lime Girl'. '7 Screaming Diz Busters' is one of my all time favorites. 4. ON YOUR FEET OR ON YOUR KNEES Love the title... Anyways I am a fan of the holy trinity, being the first 3 BOC discs. It makes this one a obvious choice. And it was great to hear that Eric is on a first name basis with Ol' Nick. 5. AGENTS OF FORTUNE The first album they made that wasn't totally flawless, but it's a great set of tunes anyways. 6. FIRE OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN Definately their best 80's album. I really like the cover. Joan Crawford is a classic. 7. EXTRATERRESTIAL LIVE Great song selection. 8. SOME ENCHANTED EVENING Their weakest live album, but hearing them do MC5 makes it all worthwhile, it also has a far superior version of 'Godzilla'. 9. MIRRORS I had heard alot of bad things about this when I bought it (Errors). But it was a nice suprise. That west coast sound doesn't bother me, I think their later 80's stuff get's me more. 'The Vigil' is still a brilliant song, that riff kills me every time. 10. CULTOSAURUS ERECTUS This is a very uneven album, it has some gems(Black Blade,Monsters and Unknown Tongue). And some serious spills (Fallen Angel and The Marshall Plan). I suppose it is a great way to make enemies on a BOC list to knock 'Imaginos'. I mean lyrically it is obviously great, Pearlman being the only person I would buy a collection of poems from. But the production just freaks me out and the tunes don't grab me. And I don't wanna even say anything about the remake of 'Astronomy', (BLASPHEMY %-O). Oh well I don't wanna get too long winded, so goodbye for now. Happy Trailz Dag From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 6 00:01:09 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:01:09 +0800 Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? Message-ID: ><< I guess that makes me the OTHER OTHER comic shop owner on BOC-L. I used to run a comic shop here in West Australia (actually it was a mixture of mostly British comics, plus TV & film memorabilia, such as videos, toys, etc.. It was mostly comics though). Does that count? William From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 6 08:57:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:57:28 -0000 Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 06, 1998 1:13 PM, Horse Whisperer [SMTP:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM] wrote: > >Isn't it interesting that so many comics folks are into BOC? > > Wasn't it said a while ago that BOC wrote _intelligent_ songs about > serious arcane topics. They made us think and we loved 'em for it. And > isn't that what a good comic/graphic novel does? > Well up to a point - but so do serious literary works, and how many lecturers in lit crit have we got here? I think rather there's something about BOC (and Hawkwind's) imagery and lyrics that appeals to the same people that enjoy comics. Most obviously, "Buck Dharma" is a real 70's comic book name if ever I heard one! Could be someone Howard the Duck bumped in to, easy! As a teen I thought "Buck Dharma" was the coolest name anyone could have. It helped that I liked the music :), but the attitude and imagery was just as important. And you got the same attitude from a lot of the comics ("Warlock" ruled!). I think we've got a spectrum of comics readers, too, from the straight-ahead superhero fans, to the post-modern ironic crowd who are the most vocal on boc-l (which is probably why it's such a good forum, and also why lots of people think we suck :). (Speaking of comics, may I plonk down my two penn'orth for _Transmetropolitan_? Issue six was basically a hilarious, extended rant against religion which would offend as many people on this list as it would entertain... :) -Andy ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 6 12:12:38 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:12:38 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:40 06.01.98 +0000, Dag Luterek wrote: >Well I figured it might be a good idea to introduce myself as I have >just signed on to the list. My name is Dag Luterek, I live in London >with my wife and our 3 rats. I am obsessed with BOC but I am also a huge >fan of The Hawklords... Welcome on board, Dag! As you know we run a tight ship here on trusty ol' BOC-L, though she may get a bit rough when the 'Wind catches her sails! >That's why I am suprised that there was a flame >war started when I asked about this list on the alt.music.boc news >group. I totally see the link between these bands, as they tackle the >outer reaches of the psyche without losing their edge and just being >able to rock in a big way. The problem with 'trippy' music is that it >sometimes get's a background music feel, this is not the case with BOC >and Hawkwind. I am also a big fan of 'Kraut Rock' n' some industrial >music. You are in the right place :) You know, we are all Veterans of A Thousand Flame Wars/A Thousand Psychedelic Orgies, on this here salty ol' list, and sometimes those pesky landcrabs down in Usenet need a bit 'o extra cookin! cap'n c From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 6 12:37:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:37:30 -0000 Subject: Hello Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 06, 1998 4:40 PM, Dag Luterek [SMTP:dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > Oh well I > don't wanna get too long winded, so goodbye for now. Never stops anyone else! :)) Unite and fight! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 6 12:19:15 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:19:15 EDT Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980106181238.030bd760@online.no> Message-ID: > From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM > Welcome on board, Dag! As you know we run a tight ship here on trusty ol' > BOC-L, though she may get a bit rough when the 'Wind catches her sails! > > >That's why I am suprised that there was a flame > >war started when I asked about this list on the alt.music.boc news > >group. I totally see the link between these bands, as they tackle the It hasn't been the first time, though, right? The folks on the other list don't seem to have much sense of humor, do they? What's the buzz on tBS over there? Heresy to support Al, or grudging admiration, or outright adulation? I suspect that tBS are a taboo topic over there? Anyway, welcome to the list, and don't be shy about giving your opinion freely! > >outer reaches of the psyche without losing their edge and just being > >able to rock in a big way. The problem with 'trippy' music is that it > >sometimes get's a background music feel, this is not the case with BOC > >and Hawkwind. I am also a big fan of 'Kraut Rock' n' some industrial > >music. BOC can do a serious sci-fi groove without the trippiness. Partly, I suspect in that their songs are fairly succinct. Not too much ambient jamming from BOC. But HW, though more prog, don't seem to give me that trippy background impression... > You are in the right place :) You know, we are all Veterans of A Thousand > Flame Wars/A Thousand Psychedelic Orgies, on this here salty ol' list, and > sometimes those pesky landcrabs down in Usenet need a bit 'o extra cookin! > > > cap'n c 5 mins. on high power will take most of the starch out of 'em... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 6 12:22:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:22:34 EDT Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Dag Luterek > music. Anyways here goes my BOC top 10: > I'm surprised you don't include Spectres in your faves. What don't you like about it? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 6 13:31:45 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:31:45 -0600 Subject: BOC : Theo being bad again Message-ID: >> sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, Theo>Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll realize the absurdity of such a statement! Oh now Theo, it's important to be accurate with these things. Mr. Bouchard can definitely drum with anyone out there, no denying that, but in this instance you should not assume that the reference to the first three albums adequately identifies him. There, now to the time out corner with you. 8>). John>While I strongly agree with Theo on the talents of BOC's original drummer (and no, I'm not trying to be a bootlicker just 'cuz he's a listmember), let's not get into a BOC vs Hawkwind debate on BOC-L. We here on BOC-L pride ourselves on being rational and respective of other bands -- even if sometimes people not on BOC-L (or not on BOC-L anymore) perceive us. John, John John, your turning me into a raving fanboy here. "I love you man." Howls did this statement make my day. Rational and respective of other peoples bands? On BOC-L? No way man. We can flame and disparge with the best of them. You are years ahead of your time. 150 years from now I can see you as the first president of the United Federation of Planets. Theo>As long as the band isn't Rush! Sorry, Sorry, Sorry... Didn't I just send you to the time out corner young man? Get back over there (hehehehehehehe) C>Now get off yer fat lazy old dope smokin 70s fossil whitey greaser rockerboy acid casualty candy ass and make me some fucking rock'n'roll tapes or I'll raise some serious fucking hell on BOC-L with "theo" firmly placed in the motherfuckin' header!!!! ;)))) Theo>May a superior beer-swilling golfer chase you into the path of a rabid marauding moose in full view of the local unsympathetic gendarmerie, who will mistakenly identify you as the olympic stadium bomber... Will this be a May or June wedding? Will the list members receive invitations? You guys crack me up with this stuff. John>My issue is that she fails to understand that while the BOC/HW pairing may seem illogical to some, that Hawkwind is not, as she says, "riding the coat tails of BOC", and she refused to acknowlege that many of us who are BOC fans (and not neccesarily HW fans) enjoy BOC-L -- hell, I've been on here for 4 years and I think I know a bit more about the workings of BOC-L than she does, but that hasn't stopped her from totally dismissing my arguments. Thats a tough nut to crack man and I'm not sure she's worth the effort. Its nice and all she's so into BOC but c'mon, they are not the only band in the world. Find out where she lives and maybe we can get Al and Deb to Trep' her. All-4-Me lil' ab When I look up at the stars at night what could I find beyond the light, a hundred million worlds we ignore. - Pleadies , King's X From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 6 13:57:20 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:57:20 GMT Subject: Classical rocks In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > On Tuesday, January 06, 1998 1:13 PM, Horse Whisperer > [SMTP:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM] wrote: > > >Isn't it interesting that so many comics folks are into BOC? > > > > Wasn't it said a while ago that BOC wrote _intelligent_ songs about > > serious arcane topics. They made us think and we loved 'em for it. And > > isn't that what a good comic/graphic novel does? > > > > Well up to a point - but so do serious literary works, and how many > lecturers in lit crit have we got here? I think rather there's something > about BOC (and Hawkwind's) imagery and lyrics that appeals to the same > people that enjoy comics. Most obviously, "Buck Dharma" is a real 70's well I work in the English Literature dept (secretary, admittedly), have read a fair number of what are euphemistically called "the classics" in literature and also listen to Hawkwind. Admittedly much of my enjoyment of the band relates to their sound but it's a point of much discussion (I guess) whether you can entirely separate out (or whether you should) words and sound from a composition (rock or choral or anything else) and the words/lyrics such as they are become an integral part of the whole piece. Some lyrics are highly evocative and create a mood/environment within which the music will react while others are (frankly) crap and just intrude. Either way I wouldn't be entirely suprised to see one day (and maybe not in the too distant future) literary study which included some large element of rock-rap-space-media music or whatever given that such things are what define our environment and, particularly in the 20th century, feature increasingly in the written literature. Hawkwind and such-like bands would be a particularly good study I would submit! I have seen over the past few years a steady flow of essays and dissertations covering the music medium - but admittedly most of it is angled towards the "pop" "rap" short-term instant energy culture. However I'd say that there's definitely a space in academe for the proper investigation of the on-going influence and relationship of the rock music culture to our society, literature, arts, education and whatever else you can conceive. Certainly Science Fiction, Cyberpunk, Utopia and anti-Utopian environments are all studied in literature now. Watch this space........ jill > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 6 12:57:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:57:36 EDT Subject: BOC : Theo being bad again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > >> sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, > > Theo>Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just > about > anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll > realize the absurdity of such a statement! > > Oh now Theo, it's important to be accurate with these things. Mr. > Bouchard can definitely drum with anyone out there, no denying that, but > in this instance you should not assume that the reference to the first > three albums adequately identifies him. There, now to the time out > corner with you. 8>). > Fair enough. My reference to the first 3 [obsession, really] should have been amplified by saying that, taken together, they represent absolute percussion perfection from song to song. While Al continues to amaze me on a daily basis, I still maintain that his work on those 3 is his best stuff, all the more amazing in that they came relatively early in his career [of evil]. The inventiveness he shows, the fact that he never plays anything simple, yet never overpowers the rest of the group...I haven't seen anyone else come close. He actually seems to have toned things down [at least in the studio] after that point, and played more conservatively. Live, well, he still rocks the house, and anyone else's! > C>Now get off yer fat lazy old dope smokin 70s fossil whitey greaser > rockerboy acid casualty candy ass and make me some fucking rock'n'roll > tapes or I'll raise some serious fucking hell on BOC-L with "theo" > firmly > placed in the motherfuckin' header!!!! ;)))) > > Theo>May a superior beer-swilling golfer chase you into the path of a > rabid marauding moose in full view of the local unsympathetic > gendarmerie, who will mistakenly identify you as the olympic stadium > bomber... > > Will this be a May or June wedding? Will the list members receive > invitations? You guys crack me up with this stuff. > They got laws against bigamy around here. Maybe I'll have to move somewhere east of here... > > Thats a tough nut to crack man and I'm not sure she's worth the effort. > Its nice and all she's so into BOC but c'mon, they are not the only band > in the world. Find out where she lives and maybe we can get Al and Deb > to Trep' her. > That assumes one has a brain to enrich with all that extra oxygen! But just because we dig BOC HW ans tBS to the max shouldn't blind us to their shortcomings. What band needs pointless idolatry? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 6 14:01:51 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:01:51 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: >Well I figured it might be a good idea to introduce myself as I have >just signed on to the list. My name is Dag Luterek, I live in London >with my wife and our 3 rats. I am obsessed with BOC but I am also a huge >fan of The Hawklords... That's why I am suprised that there was a flame >war started when I asked about this list on the alt.music.boc news well, it's a long history about it, which I'm sure you were able to pick up some of on am.boc... most of it has been hashed through before, by the same people.... >music. Anyways here goes my BOC top 10: cool, there have been some polls before, it's been awhile. Probably when there's a new album (kow) to add to the mix.... (what, no Spectres? and I don't mean because of Godzilla...) >I suppose it is a great way to make enemies on a BOC list to knock >'Imaginos'. I mean lyrically it is obviously great, Pearlman being the >only person I would buy a collection of poems from. But the production >just freaks me out Just want to add that if you haven't already, pick up the BOC FAQ by BOC-L's own JS..., has some notes about the production of this... well, welcome aboard.... "and the light that never warms...." +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 6 14:06:25 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:06:25 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: >BOC can do a serious sci-fi groove without the trippiness. Partly, I >suspect in that their songs are fairly succinct. Not too much >ambient jamming from BOC. Oh, I dunno. Whenever Eric would go on one of his rambles about speed limits or something everyone else seemed to be providing ambient jamming during this, e.g., 'Dominance & Submission' on "Live '76" (though I think only on the Video, the CD I think skips this...) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 6 14:02:08 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:02:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Comics Message-ID: >Superman has been split into two independant entities, Superman Red & Superman Blue. Both are as dull as dishwater. Don't be too put out about them changing Supes as the one the killed/brought back/changed wasn't the Superman you love anyway. He died when Curt Swan stopped drawing him. I definitely agree with this. Swan's art was a bit stiff but it gave Supes character. >Superhero stuff, even when done well, has been done to death. The only hero title I really enjoy these days is Kurt Busiek's Astro City. For the most part superhero's have faded. Is Astro City the one where everyone is a superhero or has some type of power? >Creeper had great possibilities when first >>intro'd through Batman but today he's just another pyscho with powers. >>Better stop now I could get carried away big time. >Hmm, I liked the new Creeper - despite the "psycho gimmick" I think it has interesting possibilities... and kickass inks by Sal Buscema (always hated his brother's art :) I dunno, I thought the artwork was very poor, generally I think most of the artwork today is substandard. They either smother you with detail or try and catch you with retro art. Has to be a middle ground in there somewhere. If I recall right Creeper was the original Psycho superhero. This guy never played with a full deck. DC Comics should have really worked that back in the days. Now he's just another in the same line as Wolverine, Lobo and the rest of the whackos. You like Sal but didn't like John? Rememeber that scene from the movie Crimson Tide. Two sailors were fighting over who's version of the Silver Surfer was superior Buscema's or Jack Kirby? To me hands down John Buscema. He streamlined the Surfer and gave him expressions. Kirby was too robotic. Buscema's Fantastic Four was also better than Kirby's too. >Hell, the guy, like Jim Aparo drew people made of cardboard but sure could tell a story and knew his solid draftsmanship inside out. I loved Aparo's Batman, no one has come close to his version of the Dark Knight. >Marvel have had their head up their ass for nearly 15 years maybe bancrupcy was the cure?? Word! They seem to support only what was popular and then hit us with the multi titles. How many villians could Spidey fight simultaneously? X-man, X Factor, X-Force, Avengers, West Coast Avengers yeeesh. Go back to the old days when less was so much more. And by all means send Thor back to the Cosmos and Asgard for some old time reaving, pillaging and wenching. Man I miss they way Thor and Asgard played hell in the Heavens. Thanks for the recommendation fellas and I'll give a few of these a try. I do like the Thunderbolts though as there are some intriguing possibilities for this team even though their secret is now out. >Christian PS: dig out your old comics! Hmm digging in to my 50 year old trunk, reach in, grab a few and viola, Hulk # 4 New Warriors # 1, and hot dog, Nova # 1. All-4-Me. lil' ab BTW Nobody could draw a comic book like Neal Adams. Whatever happened to him? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 6 13:18:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:18:39 EDT Subject: Classical rocks In-Reply-To: <199801061857.SAA19835@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > > > > Well up to a point - but so do serious literary works, and how many > > lecturers in lit crit have we got here? I think rather there's something > > about BOC (and Hawkwind's) imagery and lyrics that appeals to the same > > people that enjoy comics. Most obviously, "Buck Dharma" is a real 70's > > well I work in the English Literature dept (secretary, admittedly), have > read a fair number of what are euphemistically called "the classics" in > literature and also listen to Hawkwind. Admittedly much of my enjoyment > of the band relates to their sound but it's a point of much discussion (I > guess) whether you can entirely separate out (or whether you should) > words and sound from a composition (rock or choral or anything else) and > the words/lyrics such as they are become an integral part of the whole > piece. Some lyrics are highly evocative and create a mood/environment > within which the music will react while others are (frankly) crap and > just intrude. Either way I wouldn't be entirely suprised to see one > day (and maybe not in the too distant future) literary study which > included some large element of rock-rap-space-media music or whatever > given that such things are what define our environment and, > particularly in the 20th century, feature increasingly in the written > literature. Hawkwind and such-like bands would be a particularly good > study I would submit! > > I have seen over the past few years a steady flow of essays and > dissertations covering the music medium - but admittedly most of it > is angled towards the "pop" "rap" short-term instant energy culture. > However I'd say that there's definitely a space in academe for the > proper investigation of the on-going influence and relationship of > the rock music culture to our society, literature, arts, education and > whatever else you can conceive. > Actually my background is in English lit. I thought about getting my PHD at one time! There have been a few studies of Heavy Music. One decent book is: Running With the Devil [I can't remember the rest of the title] and it's a decent attempt at explicating the rock music culture [though he does miss the mark often enough]. There's plenty there for serious study, but I don't know too many lit. scholars who could do it justice. Maybe Carl? Let's not leave him out of this as one of high academic standing who digs BOC/HW... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 6 14:28:03 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:28:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Post Brothers Message-ID: Since there are so many comic owners on this list, does anyone know anything about an issue of the Post Brothers (Those Annoying Post Brothers) featuring an appearance of a band called "Chalkwind" (w/ Brock, Turner, etc.) reportedly in issue #5..., by Matt Howarth.... (Vortex?).... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 6 13:31:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:31:43 EDT Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <199801061906.OAA01210@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >BOC can do a serious sci-fi groove without the trippiness. Partly, I > >suspect in that their songs are fairly succinct. Not too much > >ambient jamming from BOC. > > Oh, I dunno. Whenever Eric would go on one of his rambles about > speed limits or something everyone else seemed to be providing > ambient jamming during this, e.g., 'Dominance & Submission' on > "Live '76" (though I think only on the Video, the CD I think skips > this...) > > Wish it did! No, the speed limit/pot rap is on the cd for us all to enjoy! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 6 15:18:46 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:18:46 -0500 Subject: Classical rocks Message-ID: >Actually my background is in English lit. I thought about getting my >PHD at one time! There have been a few studies of Heavy Music. One >decent book is: Running With the Devil [I can't remember the rest of >the title] and it's a decent attempt at explicating the rock music >culture [though he does miss the mark often enough]. There's plenty >there for serious study, but I don't know too many lit. scholars who >could do it justice. Maybe Carl? Let's not leave him out of this >as one of high academic standing who digs BOC/HW... Wasn't trying to treat musical stuff as serious literature something Meltzer got in trouble for at Stony Brook?.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 6 15:12:05 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:12:05 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Post Brothers In-Reply-To: <199801061928.OAA01515@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: Hey! A clue! Finally.... y'see I heard similar things some years ago and tho always having SEEN Howarth's stuff or reading the odd title never read Post Bros... Anyway the person who told me his said Howarth is a big spacerock fan. I remember looking thru an issue of Post Bros where Klaus Schulze or Edgar Froese was guesting, and there was a little info bit about him/them and Tangerine Dream - and it gave me an impression it was an "instructional" thing he did every issue, having some spacerock hero guesting and bio'ed.... On the subject, I have many original IT/Frendz and one of 'em has the Hawkwind strip by Moorcock and Cawthtorn - I made a few tasty color copies of the strip if anyone wants to trade or something... Also I am curious, since I seem to recall someone posting here a long time ago, that there were other HW comics produced at some point? Christian At 14:28 06.01.98 -0500, you wrote: >Since there are so many comic owners on this list, >does anyone know anything about an issue of the Post >Brothers (Those Annoying Post Brothers) featuring an >appearance of a band called "Chalkwind" (w/ Brock, >Turner, etc.) reportedly in issue #5..., by >Matt Howarth.... (Vortex?).... > > >+---------------------------------------+ >Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | >Roger Shrubstaff, | >Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | >aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | >+--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 6 15:41:25 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind and the fans! In-Reply-To: <199801061412.JAA04922@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >I'm gonna (try to?) drop it. (...and there was much rejoicing...) > >John .....and they were forced to eat Sir Robin's minstrels and there was much rejoicing! From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 6 15:48:57 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:48:57 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Post Brothers Message-ID: >Hey! A clue! Finally.... y'see I heard similar things some >years ago and tho always having SEEN Howarth's stuff or >reading the odd title never read Post Bros... Anyway the >person who told me his said Howarth is a big spacerock fan. >I remember looking thru an issue of Post Bros where Klaus >Schulze or Edgar Froese was guesting, and there was a little >info bit about him/them and Tangerine Dream - and it gave >me an impression it was an "instructional" thing he did every >issue, having some spacerock hero guesting and bio'ed.... If not spacerock, he's usually plugging something; industrial, canterbury scene, or even music supposedly by Ron Post.. (one of the characters of TAPB)... Usually devotes a page or two in the back of most issues of Post Bros to stuff like this. And aside from that, it's generally a fun title to read.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 6 15:50:38 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:50:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Hmm digging in to my 50 year old trunk, reach in, grab a few and viola, >Hulk # 4 > New Warriors # 1, and hot dog, Nova # 1. > NOVA!??!?!! now you're starting to scare me........ still have most of that series in a box here Ted From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 6 16:13:29 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:13:29 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: Welcome aboard Dag - but, of course others have already said that... I too was somewhat surprised to not see *Spectres* on your list - but other than your comments on *Imaginos*, I agree with much of your comments. Others have commented on the remade "Astronomy" in a similar vein - I personally like it (good bass part - which, as you'll find out if you stay here long enough, is something that can make any song in my opinion good - well, not really, but, being a bassplayer wannabe...), but the original version is still the definitive one. Being that Al Bouchard did most of the music for *Imaginos* and being that he's also a listmember, you're now gonna get some serious flaming from him - just kidding. But, seriously, many of us here hold *Imaginos* in fairly high regard, and realize that Al deserves much of the credit for this album - yeah, I sound like a bootlicker again, don't I? In that vein, if you haven't heard of the Brain Surgeons yet (Al's current band), stick around awhile here and you will... John (BOC FAQ editor and Defender of the Faith) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 6 16:26:18 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:26:18 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: >It hasn't been the first time, though, right? The folks on the other list don't seem to have much sense of humor, do they? What's the buzz on tBS over there? Heresy to support Al, or grudging admiration, or outright adulation? I suspect that tBS are a taboo topic over there? Well, which "other list" do you mean? I assumed you meant the AOL BOC board, where Eric and Buck participate. This recent flamewar we are talking about occurred on USENET (alt.music.blueoystercult). It is not really heresy to support Al or tBS anywhere, although on the AOL BOC board, some would prefer to keep such talk out of their board - they don't mind Al posting and discussing BOC stuff, but most times the tBS stuff on AOL is in the tBS folder - where an enthusiastic tBS-lovin' crowd hangs out (many of whom also participate on the BOC AOL board). As is the case here (most of the time), discussion of past issues and who's to blame are kept to a minimum - hey, it's more fun to talk about the good times than the bad. A few years ago, BOC-L got a knock from Eric as being "negative" on the AOL BOC board -- unfortunately, Eric was getting second-hand information, and I suspect that if he tried participating here for awhile, he'd find that we aren't all that evil - and I will continue to dispute such notions that aren't based on actual experience. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 6 16:27:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:27:41 -0500 Subject: BOC : Theo being bad again Message-ID: >John, John John, your turning me into a raving fanboy here. "I love you man." Howls did this statement make my day. Rational and respective of other peoples bands? On BOC-L? No way man. We can flame and disparge with the best of them. You are years ahead of your time. 150 years from now I can see you as the first president of the United Federation of Planets. LOL. Yeah, well I'll keep my phaser on stun by my side at all times so when all you Kirk-wannbes get outta line... LMAO John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 6 16:57:39 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:57:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:02 06.01.98 -0600, BREVARD, Adrian wrote: >I dunno, I thought the artwork was very poor, generally I think most of >the artwork today is substandard. They either smother you with detail >or try and catch you with retro art. Has to be a middle ground in there >somewhere. Ah, but there's that impressionist/expressionist post Vertigo thang..... which is sorta what the new Creeper art is like, and I think it's cool to see Sal Buscema doing the inks because he's actually always been pretty experimental with his inkwork (that angular, spontaneous, simple aesthetic linework, whatever... :) > If I recall right Creeper was the original Psycho superhero. > This guy never played with a full deck. DC Comics should have really >worked that back in the days. Now he's just another in the same line as >Wolverine, Lobo and the rest of the whackos. Yeah, but he was first still! And no, Wolverine & Lobo are IMO in a different class of "psycho" - the "badass psycho". Creeper is more like "repressed weirdo creep" psycho >;^> >You like Sal but didn't like John? Rememeber that scene from the movie >Crimson Tide. Two sailors were fighting over who's version of the >Silver Surfer was superior Buscema's or Jack Kirby? To me hands down >John Buscema. He streamlined the Surfer and gave him expressions. >Kirby was too robotic. On this I agree (I just hate him for all that generic stuff. All looks the same... only a demnted genius like Alfredo Alcala could fix his dreary Conan work...) I worship Kirby and think of him every day as I look out to the cosmos... wax my golfclubs.... ride my moose.... watch the olympic stadium explode... > Buscema's Fantastic Four was also better than >Kirby's too. DISAGREE! OK - Pow! Kick! Haha! This is just like Crimson Tide by Kirby.... Seriously, Kirby did some super-tripppola mind melting stuff on the 60's FF!! Insane gigantic clunky robotic machinery, krazy kirby krakkles (TM) emanating all over the place, those massive double page collages.... if anyone could convey pure COSMIC POWER! it was King Jack - his towering, booming Galactus, the infinity of space... gimme Ego The Living Planet over Red Sonja any day baby! >>Hell, the guy, like Jim Aparo drew people made of cardboard but sure could >tell a story and knew his solid draftsmanship inside out. > >I loved Aparo's Batman, no one has come close to his version of the Dark >Knight. Oh absolutely. He defined the character so much. His drawings were often very stiff and funny, like he would use every classic hack trick in the book, like tilting stock panels where stiff characters were standing around at a straight on angle etc. Or every single street thug/gang member from the 80's and onwards wore a cheesy mohawk! Indelibly imprinted on my mind. And like Swan he always drew about the same 3 different faces on everyone but with different hair! CLASSIC! I dropped the Batman books around the whole grotesque Knightfall thingie (well and jumped back on when Kelley Jones wised up), and at that time Aparo was really on the skids - some of his work in the 90s is really wretched, though it's cool to see people like Bill Sienkiewicz or Kelley Jones "fix" Aparo up with wild inks! But dig out the issue of Batman with the huge CU of the mohawk punker with a gun and flip through it - if I remember correctly the splash page has all these bats flying at you and it looks like Aparo drew/inked that and the entire book drunk, with a ballpoint on the train!!! >Word! They seem to support only what was popular and then hit us with >the multi titles. How many villians could Spidey fight simultaneously? >X-man, X Factor, X-Force, Avengers, West Coast Avengers yeeesh. Go >back to the old days when less was so much more. Stupid stupid stupid. Everyone but Marvel saw it, kept saying it, but no, Marvel kept doing it. Spread out their books so much that kids eventually couldn't afford every single friggin "group" or crossover and just dropped ALL of them overnight. Haha. Told you so... I was one, maybe 8-10 years ago. Realized that what I was attempting/spending was crazy - I hated most of those books anyway! I dropped about 30 titles off my subscription that day, 99% were trash Marvels.... About 3 years ago I had my second "blow out" - dropped the IMO (still probably pretty) decent superhero stuff like Superman, most Batmans, Hulk etc. etc. Just got sick of it.... I've pleasantly surprised by the new Silver Surfer stuff and the brand new FF now that I finally dared to try Marvel again... > And by all means send >Thor back to the Cosmos and Asgard for some old time reaving, pillaging >and wenching. Man I miss they way Thor and Asgard played hell in the >Heavens. YES!!! WALT SIMONSON! there's the man with the master plan! BTW, Thor was where I really started appreciated Sal Buscema's art - it really clicked with Simonsen's vision when he went over to just writing. Then Tom DeFalco fucked over every cool/awesome/righteous thing Simonsen did with Thor (RIP #337-382). Then DeFalco went back for seconds and ERASED it ALL from continuity. The only decent Thor I have seen since was Bruce Zick's version - Zick is really underrated/obscure but I really recommend his cool/bizarre sci-fi comics like Zone Continuum. Zick is *inspired* by Kirby rather than a *sleazy "tribute" copy* like Ron Frenz... >BTW Nobody could draw a comic book like Neal Adams. Whatever happened >to him? Adams decided to clone himself and got lost :) He lost it in the early 80s when he'd gone back into commercial advertising art and then tried coming back into comics as a megalomaniac with a studio (Continuity) of people drawing everything like him and cranking out substandard junk with his name all over it. God knows how he survived the 80s, Continuity Comics died a looooong, slooow death from its wretched inception to its last whimper a few years ago. For a laugh check out his "Skateman" from PC comics... or Toy Boy! But in his GA/GL, Batman, X-Men etc. 60s/70s days, the man was absolutely brilliant...... Rant quota for the day filled! Christian From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Jan 6 17:06:14 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: Buck Dharma Video Message-ID: Hello Friends: Back in April The Artist Shop hosted an IRC Chat with Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult. Buck was promoting a benefit concert he was to perform in Atlanta for a young fan who had an inoperable brain tumor. The concert was a great success. And now available on videotape is a documentary of that concert that includes a lot of footage from the actual concert. You'll find this at . Gary Also see our Brain Surgeons page at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Jan 6 17:06:48 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:06:48 -0500 Subject: The Brain Surgeons' Malpractice Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons have a new CD out called Malpractice. You'll find it and the rest of the Surgeons catalog at with graphics and soundbites. Served up with Albert Bouchard and company's traditionally wicked sense of humor and great sense of Rock'n'Roll, this CD is unabashedly fun, fun, fun. Gary See the Buck Dharma Video at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From davmor at DELTANET.COM Tue Jan 6 17:19:45 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:19:45 -0800 Subject: HW: whatever happened to hawkwind.com Message-ID: I can't reach it either. Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Perry To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 12:05 AM Subject: Re: HW: whatever happened to hawkwind.com >I've had problems for days now. With www.hawkwind.com that is. > >Kevin Perry >Sonic Energy Authority >http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jan 6 17:40:45 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:40:45 +0100 Subject: Bye, bye/ Hej =?iso-8859-1?Q?d=E5=21?= Message-ID: Well, I'll be heading out for the tour with Nik now so I will not be here for the Rush-bashers, but I promise to get back to You soon, by the way, Knut is a closet Rush-fan, he called me, weeping, 'cause he heard that the live-album is delayed, poor man, he should come forward. Anyway, I'll see some of You soon, I understand, great! Unsubscribingly Yours, Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 6 17:44:12 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:44:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Where is www.hawkwind.com?? Message-ID: Regarding the recent messages reporting not being able to get through to the official Hawkwind WWW site, www.hawkwind.com, I just did a dig/nslookup on the hostname and found that it no longer exists; even its primary nameservers don't know it! Doing a "whois hawkwind.com" yields the following: ----------------------- The Emergency Broadcast System Limited (HAWKWIND-DOM) PO Box 6131 London, W3 8ZR UK Domain Name: HAWKWIND.COM Administrative Contact: Churchett, Dale (DC1728) daleweb at IO.COM (512) 342 1678 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Campbell, Craige (CC435) cgc at BHCOM.COM 760 360-4600 (FAX) 760 360-3437 Billing Contact: Douglas D. Smith (DDS4-ORG) actonium at DIAL.PIPEX.COM 0181 993-8436 Fax- 0181 896 1778 Record last updated on 25-Apr-97. Record created on 03-May-96. Database last updated on 6-Jan-98 05:29:27 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.VIRTSERV.COM 192.41.1.23 NS2.PERMA.NET 192.41.2.23 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ----------------------- Note that the billing contact is none other than our old friend Doug Smith himself! Maybe Doug doesn't realise that InterNIC require $100/year to maintain a domain registration? (Or, more likely, maybe the Hawks are phasing out the stateside WWW presence in favour of their own home-grown effort?) Oh, btw, at least now the R.O.D.S. E-mailbomber has a target address... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obBLANGA!!!!!: Hawkwind, "It's So Easy", _The 1999 Party_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 6 17:54:28 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:54:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers all? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > Just to be sure that people realize/recall that the covers project was > a large, group effort, here's my (sketchy) recollection of it. > > Dave Berry and I made copies of the tapes for people located in the > UK/rest of world and in the USA. Everyone sent us copies of the tapes, > and from them we compiled the master tapes. Chuck Johnson (I think?) > made the tape sleeves, and Paul Ward (again, not sure?) provided the > web space for everyone to check out the designs. I don't recall if I made the tape artwork net-accessible. In fact, the WWW and anon-ftp stuff is actually still there (I'd forgotten about them). If anyone is curious to see what they missed, point your WWW browser at: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/~paul/boc-l/covers.html and bask in one of BOC-L's success stories... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 6 18:26:24 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:26:24 -0500 Subject: Snow (at last!) :-) In-Reply-To: <18eae1f4.34ab1e8b@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, StevenTice wrote: > Well, I'd probably be very jealous of you if we hadn't gotten fourteen inches > of our own yesterday. :-) Considering we hadn't had more than a half inch up > until then, I'm much happier now! Too bad it waited until after Christmas, > but at least SOME people still have their outdoor decorations up.... Speaking of outdoor decorations, whilst sojourning in Gulfport, FL, last week, I came across a sanity-defying outdoor display in neighbouring St. Petersburg, FL. It was brought to my attention via a flyer under our windscreen wiper, left by some unknown entity in a Wal-Mart car park. The barely-contained pride is evident in the lead-in (which, unfortunately, cannot be reproduced in all its typographic glory here): "Spectacular CHRISTMAS light display; hundreds of thousands of lights; may be the highest number of lights for a 1/2 acre display in the world; App. 450 moving and animated figures..." The flyer continues, extolling the awesome spectacle offered by the "70 foot Christmas tree to the glory of Jesus Christ... A huge, 16 train, H.O. scale outdoor railroad... App. 200 lighted outdoor figures & 60 Snowmen... Mickey Mouse and friends... Jurassic Park... Takes 8 people 3-mo. to set up..." Naturally, something compelled me to go see this. All I can say is that if R'lyeh has outdoor Christmas lights, they probably look something like this... :-) (The owners even have an electricity meter out front, for all to see it spinning round, to proudly display how much they're blowing to power all this.) As a Brit, I still can't quite comprehend this phenomenon. And just when I thought I'd got to grips with the "Gingerbread House" and the Yule light onslaught that is Merrimac in Blacksburg, too... Just thought I'd share. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (yes, Santa was kind to me!:) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 6 19:06:07 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:06:07 -0000 Subject: OT (ish): Vocalist Message-ID: Hope this isn't too off topic, but I'm looking for a vocalist (pref. female) in the UK (London or Glos. area) for Hawkwind/space-rock band - a demo of the sort of music is downloadable from http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/crm.htm in RealAudio format. Thanks, Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry From ChStier at AOL.COM Tue Jan 6 19:30:22 1998 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (ChStier) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:30:22 EST Subject: OFF: Comics Message-ID: Well, I may be a bit behind the times here but I just heard that John Byrne was going to come back and handle a Spider-man title. I may have to check this out although splitting Spidey into 4 alter-egos should be enough warning to stay away... Chris ObBestEverComicRun: the Dave Cockrum/John Byrne tenure on the Uncanny X-Men! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 6 21:48:04 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:48:04 -0600 Subject: BOC: Hello - I Like This Guy Already Message-ID: >Well I figured it might be a good idea to introduce myself as I have just signed on to the list. My name is Dag Luterek, I live in London with my wife and our 3 rats. Anyways here goes my BOC top 10: Hello Dag, welcome aboard. >1. SECRET TREATIES >The ultimate... say no more, say no more. Oh man I like you a lot >4. ON YOUR FEET OR ON YOUR KNEES Love the title... Anyways I am a fan of the holy trinity, being the first 3 BOC discs. It makes this one a obvious choice. And it was great to hear that Eric is on a first name basis with Ol' Nick. Hmmm a little higher.... >8. SOME ENCHANTED EVENING Their weakest live album, but hearing them do MC5 makes it all worthwhile, it also has a far superior version of 'Godzilla'. No comment on the Killer Astronomy? >10. CULTOSAURUS ERECTUS This is a very uneven album, it has some gems(Black Blade,Monsters and Unknown Tongue). And some serious spills (Fallen Angel and The Marshall Plan). You like Monsters Too? Oh I'm really digging you now. >I suppose it is a great way to make enemies on a BOC list to knock 'Imaginos'. I mean lyrically it is obviously great, Pearlman being the only person I would buy a collection of poems from. But the production just freaks me out and the tunes don't grab me. Have no fear. On this list people say what they want to. We are not always right but we will say it. I've been throwing hints at a certain guy with a lot of musical talent (hint intials AB) that this one should be re-done the way he wanted it to be done. His current band could really lay this one up and make it even better than the original. No bites thus far. >And I don't wanna even say anything about the remake of 'Astronomy', (BLASPHEMY %-O). Oh well I don't wanna get too long winded, so goodbye for now. WHAT? Hold it a minute man, this version of Astronomy should never be compared to the original. Take this one on its own. I still like you but Astronomy is the only song I ever loved twice. Swartz is right killer bass on this song. Welcome aboard my friend. lil' ab (not to be confused with Big AB, he's the one with talent) "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go, I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 6 22:23:49 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:23:49 -0600 Subject: Off: pointless idolatry? Message-ID: > What band needs pointless idolatry? Every band. Pointless idolatry = Record $ales, concert revenues... >NOVA!??!?!! >now you're starting to scare me........ I scare myself too. >Stupid stupid stupid. Everyone but Marvel saw it, kept saying it, but no, Marvel kept doing it. How sad but true. I bailed when I started spending more than I wanted to and the quality took big hits. Just didn't make sense. >Adams decided to clone himself and got lost :) Real sad! >But in his GA/GL, Batman, X-Men etc. 60s/70s days, the man was absolutely brilliant...... Especially GA/GL. lil' ab From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 6 17:05:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:05:46 -0000 Subject: Classical rocks Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:57 PM, J Strobridge [SMTP:eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > Andy Gilham writes: > > well I work in the English Literature dept (secretary, admittedly), have > read a fair number of what are euphemistically called "the classics" in > literature and also listen to Hawkwind. Well there you go :) - I tend to assume that everyone on the net is a computer person unless I know different! > > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! No, I thought it was superb. I know Verhoeven brings out strong feelings both for and against, but I think he is a much more intelligent film-maker than he is often accused of being. His penchant for graphic violence does bring accusations of voyeurism - even I didn't see _Showgirls_, and I'm generally a big fan of his - but if you're making a film where one of the themes is the horror of war, then I think you have to show some of the horror. Verhoeven himself isn't, I think, necessarily militaristic himself - but the film does pose the question, can you be a pacifist when your life is on the line? And the Californisation of world culture is one of the film's many little jokes. It's got a lot of parallels with his earlier _Soldier of Orange_, where Hauer and Krabbe started off as student pals and ended up as embittered resistance fighters. What was there not to like about it? (Unless you're a Heinlein fan who doesn't like liberties being taken with the original? :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 00:33:05 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:33:05 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Byrne on Spidey Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 19:33:15 EST, you write: << Well, I may be a bit behind the times here but I just heard that John Byrne was going to come back and handle a Spider-man title. I may have to check this out although splitting Spidey into 4 alter-egos should be enough warning to stay away... >> Ah, but Byrne's book will have nothing to do with that four-way-split thing (which is itself only supposed to last a month or so, btw). Byrne's book will be a Spider-Man: Year One project, retelling Spidey's story from day one and updating it a bit. So, depending on how you feel about Byrne's previous experience in doing this with characters, you can either be enthusiastic or horrified... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 00:50:44 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:50:44 EST Subject: Off: Comic Books Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-05 14:45:03 EST, you write: << Hmm, I liked the new Creeper - despite the "psycho gimmick" I think it has interesting possibilities... and kickass inks by Sal Buscema (always hated his brother's art :) No kidding! I'm amazed at the variety and line quality of his inks, particularly because his pencils have always been less than exciting...maybe he'll pick up some tips from the artists he's inking...:-) >>I never really recovered from Morrison melting my mind back in the Animal Man and early Doom Patrol daze.... sploosh! Grant Morrison became my favorite writer in comics largely thanks to his work on those two books. Alan Moore is still the better writer, but Grant's my favorite! >> And Bill Willingham's Coventry. Another good book. Too bad it's now on hiatus so that Willingham can work on other projects. SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 00:57:40 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:57:40 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Friendly Frank's and Ellison Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 03:48:30 EST, you write: << All this talk about comic books reminds me of when I used to work for Friendly Frank's Distribution at their worldwide headquarters. FFD was bought out a few years back after a serious shake-up in the comics industry, but before the buy-out it was the third-largest worldwide distributor of wholesale comic books. Ahhh! Not Friendly Frank's! :-) I had a bad experience there as a retailer in 1990...then dealt with them as a publisher a few years later and ended up out some money when the crash hit. It was never what you'd call the most efficient operation... >>It was a fun place to work out and I even got to talk to Harlan Ellison on the phone one time. I've had many such phone calls from Harlan...getting him to do a column for the first issue of my magazine was definitely an....experience. But at least I have my own personal "Harlan Ellison stories" now...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 00:59:09 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:59:09 EST Subject: THREE comics shop owners on BOC-L? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 12:00:43 EST, you write: << I used to run a comic shop here in West Australia (actually it was a mixture of mostly British comics, plus TV & film memorabilia, such as videos, toys, etc.. It was mostly comics though). Does that count? William >> Okay, three and a half! :-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 01:01:43 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:01:43 EST Subject: Lit Crit folks on BOC-L Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 12:01:39 EST, you write: << Well up to a point - but so do serious literary works, and how many lecturers in lit crit have we got here? >> Geez, now I have to dig out my Eng Lit degree and demonstrate that I number among THIS sub-group of BOC-Lers, too! Actually, I'm still doing the critic thing, it's just comics criticism instead...in the pages of my magazine, Musings... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 01:04:23 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:04:23 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Nova Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 15:51:42 EST, you write: << NOVA!??!?!! now you're starting to scare me........ still have most of that series in a box here >> A box of the seventies incarnation? SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 01:09:29 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:09:29 EST Subject: OFF: Comics Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 17:06:21 EST, you write: >>Yeah, but he was first still! And no, Wolverine & Lobo are IMO in a different class of "psycho" - the "badass psycho". Creeper is more like "repressed weirdo creep" psycho >;^> Precisely! MUCH more interesting! :-) >>On this I agree (I just hate him for all that generic stuff. All looks the same... only a demnted genius like Alfredo Alcala could fix his dreary Conan work...) Yes, Alcala was (is) amazing, whether inking his own work or inking someone else's. >>The only decent Thor I have seen since was Bruce Zick's version - Zick is really underrated/obscure but I really recommend his cool/bizarre sci-fi comics like Zone Continuum. Zick is *inspired* by Kirby rather than a *sleazy "tribute" copy* like Ron Frenz... I wasn't terribly thrilled with Zick's Thor, but I'd take it over DeFalco's any day...and at least it was DIFFERENT from any other hero comic on the stands when Zick was doing it. Hmmm, I wonder whatever happened to him... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 01:10:36 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:10:36 EST Subject: Christmas in Britain... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-06 18:28:35 EST, you write: << As a Brit, I still can't quite comprehend this phenomenon. And just when I thought I'd got to grips with the "Gingerbread House" and the Yule light onslaught that is Merrimac in Blacksburg, too... >> Okay, so what ARE the most noticeable differences between American and British Christmas? This sort of stuff always fascinates me... SET From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jan 7 01:38:51 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:38:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comics: Byrne on Spidey In-Reply-To: <941bdf84.34b31393@aol.com> Message-ID: At 00:33 07.01.98 EST, SET wrote: >Ah, but Byrne's book will have nothing to do with that four-way-split thing >(which is itself only supposed to last a month or so, btw). Byrne's book will >be a Spider-Man: Year One project, retelling Spidey's story from day one and >updating it a bit. So, depending on how you feel about Byrne's previous >experience in doing this with characters, you can either be enthusiastic or >horrified... > >SET Just thinking about Byrne horrifies me! NOOOOoooooooo!!!! Stand back! Evil child! aaargh put away that filt tip pen!! >stab! stab!< Argh! My EYEs!!! yes, it looks so much better now, mr Byrne, here's a 1000 bucks a page! From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Wed Jan 7 02:31:47 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:31:47 +0100 Subject: Merchandise ?! Message-ID: Terve, my friends ... ... relatively new into Hawkwind, I'm wondering, if there's some merchandising, perhaps in WWW? Anyone care to help me with that ? Thaaank you ... Reiner From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Jan 7 03:22:07 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:22:07 -0700 Subject: OFF: Comics and Hello! Message-ID: > ok- I had to jump in here-I actually own a few comix-Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers! Love em! Welcome aboard Dag - but, of course others have already said that... Hope you enjoy this list I do, and have discovered even more really cool music!! Poor wallet:) Rock on! Pam From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jan 7 06:30:27 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <01BD1AEF.AE8E28E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! > > No, I thought it was superb. [....] Verhoeven himself isn't, I think, necessarily militaristic himself > - but the film does pose the question, can you be a pacifist when your life > is on the line? And the Californisation of world culture is one of the > film's many little jokes. One can't help but admire the battle scenes and it's worth seeing just for this. But at the same time it's this aspect of the film that overshadows anything that Verhoeven is actually trying to say, if anything. As it is, I felt that both the politics and the love-triangle storyline were unconvincing and got in the way of the action. Worse, I was never sure where Verhoeven stood in relation to the facism and militarism being portrayed. At times he appeared to be poking fun at it, but at other times playing it straight. He should IMHO have either placed less emphasis on the fighting and made the politics more coherent, or he should have gone all-out for a total bubblegum movie. Unfortunately, he seems to have fallen somewhere in between. It's also possibly the most violent movie I've ever seen! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 7 07:14:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:14:30 EDT Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <199801062113.QAA24647@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz eah, I sound like a bootlicker again, don't I? In that vein, if you > haven't heard of the Brain Surgeons yet (Al's current band), stick around > awhile here and you will... > > John (BOC FAQ editor and Defender of the Faith) Al's current group is a real treat, Dag. A great live band as well. BTW, Al, what are the chances of a tBS live album? And how would you go about recording a live version of I Play the Drums! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 7 08:44:28 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:44:28 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: Veering wildly off topic: Hardman DK writes: > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > > > > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > > > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > > > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! > > > > No, I thought it was superb. > [....] > Verhoeven himself isn't, I think, necessarily militaristic himself > > - but the film does pose the question, can you be a pacifist when your life > > is on the line? And the Californisation of world culture is one of the > > film's many little jokes. > [...... to save space] > portrayed. At times he appeared to be poking fun at it, but at other times > playing it straight. He should IMHO have either placed less emphasis on > the fighting and made the politics more coherent, or he should have gone > all-out for a total bubblegum movie. Unfortunately, he seems to have > fallen somewhere in between. Thank you. As above! This captures accurately my reservations. For a while at the start I felt that there was an intelligent movie trying to be made but the characterisation became submerged beneath the action, the pacifist character never emerged - at best he was a confused simpleton drifting where the current action was strongest and his promotion was not on any intrinsic military merits but solely because everyone else got crunched. No great leadership qualities here. Added to the annnoying habit of changing the timing of the pursuits so that the heroes could get to do their heroic bits before the nasties arrived and the fact that no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. On the plus side the action sequences were VERY impressive and the presentation of the film through a visual information screen was neat - I liked that. > It's also possibly the most violent movie I've ever seen! Yes, tho' the new Bond movie I feel was even more so - a lot of people died in that one!! obontopic> can't think of anything - sorry! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 7 08:49:04 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:49:04 -0600 Subject: Off: Comics Message-ID: >Well, I may be a bit behind the times here but I just heard that John Byrne was going to come back and handle a Spider-man title. I may have to check this out although splitting Spidey into 4 alter-egos should be enough warning to stay away... 4 alter -egos? You have got to be kidding me? Why can't they leave poor Spidey alone. >ObBestEverComicRun: the Dave Cockrum/John Byrne tenure on the Uncanny X-Men! Wow I would have to do some thorough self research here, but this may be hard to argue. Gene Colan's Dracula was pretty amazing stuff in the 70's. > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! >No, I thought it was superb. I know Verhoeven brings out strong feelings both for and against, but I think he is a much more intelligent film-maker than he is often accused of being. I agree. My son's enjoyed the carnage but I enjoyed some of the more subtle points of this movie. Verhoeven is extreme, great (Starship) or wretched (Showgirls). You didn't miss much with Showgirls. Even with all the "Cheesecake" on screen I just couldn't sit through it. << NOVA!??!?!! >> now you're starting to scare me........ >>still have most of that series in a box here >> >>A box of the seventies incarnation? Don't know about Ted Alger's but I think I have at least one copy of the original series and a few of the second one while a member of the New Warriors. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jan 7 08:59:37 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:59:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Hello - I Like This Guy Already Message-ID: >Have no fear. On this list people say what they want to. We are not >always right but we will say it. I've been throwing hints at a certain >guy with a lot of musical talent (hint intials AB) that this one should >be re-done the way he wanted it to be done. His current band could >really lay this one up and make it even better than the original. No >bites thus far. You are aware of the excellent version of Astronomy on 'Malpractice', right? It's the tempo of the original, not the Imaginos, version, but outstanding in it's own right, this is already one of my favorite takes on the song.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jan 7 09:01:19 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:01:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <199801071344.NAA18555@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, J Strobridge wrote: > Veering wildly off topic: Well, not as off-topic as some OFF:s. Mike Moorcock, the main link between BOC & HW, wrote a critique of Sci-Fi/Fantasy called "Starship Troopers". As I recall, Heinlein and various others were picked out for their right-wing authoritarian tendencies. This essay can be found in The Opium General. > and the fact that > no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. Ha ha, how true :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jan 7 09:09:12 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comics: Friendly Frank's and Ellison Message-ID: At 12:57 AM 1/7/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-06 03:48:30 EST, you write: > ><< All this talk about comic books reminds me of when I used to work for > Friendly Frank's Distribution at their worldwide headquarters. FFD was > bought out a few years back after a serious shake-up in the comics industry, > but before the buy-out it was the third-largest worldwide distributor of > wholesale comic books. > >Ahhh! Not Friendly Frank's! :-) > >I had a bad experience there as a retailer in 1990...then dealt with them as a >publisher a few years later and ended up out some money when the crash hit. >It was never what you'd call the most efficient operation... >SET What was the name of your account? Who knows, maybe I was responsible for your bad experience! If you ever had questions about money/your financial status etc. I was the one you would have talked to. I left the company in about July of 1990 (or was it 1991?). And of course Frank himself was not someone any sane person would want to deal with... mainly because he had an oedipal thing going on with his mother, who was the secretary treasurer.... but that's material for another time.... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jan 7 09:10:31 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:10:31 -0500 Subject: Lit Crit folks on BOC-L Message-ID: God, how many of these literature people do we have here now? I have two English literature degrees as well. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 7 10:49:18 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:49:18 -0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: Latest post to the movie and comics list... I'll try and get back on topic after this! > > As above! This captures accurately my reservations. For a while at > the start I felt that there was an intelligent movie trying to be made > but the characterisation became submerged beneath the action, the > pacifist character never emerged - at best he was a confused simpleton > drifting where the current action was strongest and his promotion was not > on any intrinsic military merits but solely because everyone else got > crunched. No great leadership qualities here. Yes, absolutely, Rico got promoted firstly due to the actions of others (Dizzy should have made squad leader instead, back in boot camp), and then through a piece of foolhardy desperation. That's a fair observation, but surely not a criticism? In Heinlein's source text, as I recall, the pacifist comes of age by becoming a professional soldier. Verhoeven actually subverts that, at least to an extent, by showing his career as being haphazard. And it's quite deliberate (I believe) that the individuals' character does become submerged! To the extent that the romance, so important when they're still at school, is almost an irrelevance at the end, even to them. What he's suggesting is that to defeat the bugs, it's necessary to take on certain of their traits - including "self-sacrifice for the body politic". Which may be a wind-up, but Verhoeven obviously enjoys winding people up. :) > On the plus side the action sequences were VERY impressive and the > presentation of the film through a visual information screen was neat - > I liked that. Whatever reservations you might have about Verhoeven, you have to admit he has few rivals when it comes to action! The propaganda newsreels also gave him an opportunity to make an unusually explicit statement about glorification of war compared to the horror of the actual thing - although he also suggests it's a necessary evil. > > > It's also possibly the most violent movie I've ever seen! > > Yes, tho' the new Bond movie I feel was even more so - a lot > of people died in that one!! > Now Bond's a great one for glorifying violence, and treating it as a big joke. Incidentally, the Royal Navy recruitment ads with Bond ("trained by the Navy") have been wildly successful! Life imitating art again... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 7 13:31:30 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:31:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <01BD1B84.06BE26C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: >Yes, absolutely, Rico got promoted firstly due to the actions of others >(Dizzy should have made squad leader instead, back in boot camp), and then >through a piece of foolhardy desperation. That's a fair observation, but >surely not a criticism? In Heinlein's source text, as I recall, the >pacifist comes of age by becoming a professional soldier. Verhoeven >actually subverts that, at least to an extent, by showing his career as >being haphazard. > >And it's quite deliberate (I believe) that the individuals' character does >become submerged! To the extent that the romance, so important when >they're still at school, is almost an irrelevance at the end, even to them. > What he's suggesting is that to defeat the bugs, it's necessary to take on >certain of their traits - including "self-sacrifice for the body politic". > Which may be a wind-up, but Verhoeven obviously enjoys winding people up. >:) Actually, Diz's funeral was one of the few scenes that felt like it could have come stright from the book to me. After all, the book was primarily an exploration of the responsibilities of citizenship. >The propaganda newsreels also gave him an opportunity to make an unusually >explicit statement about glorification of war compared to the horror of the >actual thing - although he also suggests it's a necessary evil. He has talked about drawing on his memories of living in WWII Denmark (I think?) and the contrast between the reality of his childhood and the war movies of the era for much of the movie. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Wed Jan 7 13:53:28 1998 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (RBrent1044) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:53:28 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Friendly Frank's and Ellison Message-ID: Wow, I'm getting taken back by these Friendly Frank references.......one favorite (and I am definitely dating myself here), is the time I traded with Frank (was it Mangiaracina ?) long before he was a distributor. I sent him multiple copies of the Perez New Teen Titans #1-4 and DC Presents #26 (their first appearance, natch) at ridiculous prices for a "Blood is the Harvest." That was an anti-communism book (a giveaway) published by the Catechetical Guild in the early 50's. Anyway, there were only 6 copies known to exist at that time, it was worth about $600.00 in Mint, and he had a copy that was mint except it had a tiny sliver of the cover missing at the spine. Because of the piece out he had it at $250.00. So I send him my Titans, he gets them and complains about them and weasels me into sending him more (I had zero into them and I wanted the "Blood" so I did it, I was used to him hocking me anyway). About a week later I get the book in the mail, rip it open and it is dead mint except for a tiny little rectangular piece of the spine was gone. I open the comic bag to inspect the book......and out falls a little rectangular piece of the cover !! It was the exact piece missing from the spine !!! So I package it up again, send it to my buddy Bill Sarill (the KING of comic book restoration, long since retired), and for $62.50 (things were alot cheaper then), he reinserted the piece into the comic and it was mended PERFECTLY. He used a process to pulp the paper again and then reinserted it, leaving the mend undetectable. When I got it back, suffice it to say, I was quite pleased. I never told Frank about it, even though he deserved to hear it for all his bullshit and nitpicking. So, there's one of my $8.00 worth of Titans, $62.50 in repair, a few bucks postage, gets you the best existing copy of one of the rarest comics on earth, Friendly Frank stories. Robert From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 7 12:56:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:56:55 EDT Subject: New Album title? In-Reply-To: <34b3c749.21499578@pop.vnet.net> Message-ID: I was just visiting the Imaginos site, and they say the new album will be titled 'Heavan Forbid...' Not bad at all, but sounds suspiciously like the title for a Black Sabbath album, n'est-ce pas? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 7 13:09:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:09:38 EDT Subject: New Album title? In-Reply-To: <19BAD0B1057@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > From: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" > I was just visiting the Imaginos site, and they say the new album > will be titled 'Heavan Forbid...' > What the fuck's a spellcheck? It should, of course, read: Heaven Forbid... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jan 7 14:14:34 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:14:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dust (was Re: Hawkwind and the fans!) In-Reply-To: <16604003E86@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Jan 5, 98 08:17:38 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > > From: John Majka > > I mean, Richard is certainly among the best-ever Hawkwind drummers and I'm > > sure (no offense) BOC's drumming isn't any more proficient than his, so I > > don't know where Bolle gets off bitching about it. And yes, he obviously > > completely missed the point of a Hawkwind show. That seething, miasmic wall > > of cosmic sludge is the Hawkwind sound! > > Pretty strong statement considering BOC's drummer can dust just about > anyone in the business. Listen to the first 3 BOC albums, and you'll > realize the absurdity of such a statement! I think Richard Chadwick pretty much dusts anybody BOC has had since Al left. Actually, that just put me off on a complete tangent... Something about "dust" and BOC replacement personnel... Does anybody know whether Kenny Aaronsen's (I know I probably spelled that wrong) old group Dust has ever had their albums released on CD? I'm especially interested in _Hard Attack_, as I haven't been able to listen to my old LP copy in years (no record player!). Steve From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 7 14:51:00 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: Any body that claims to say any thing about what the makers of the movie were trying to say, who has not read Heinlein's book "Starship Troopers" (from which the movie was based on, baddly I might add) is, to be blunt, missing the whole point, and is most likly wrong about one or more points. 1) The politics, at least in the book IS the point of the book. 2) The Makers of the movie didn't like Heinlein's views, so they made it, well, almost evil. If you have not read the book, you WILL get the wrong idea about the concepts the R.A.H was trying to get across. From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 7 14:51:02 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:02 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: At 02:01 PM 1/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, J Strobridge wrote: > >> Veering wildly off topic: > >Well, not as off-topic as some OFF:s. Mike Moorcock, the main link >between BOC & HW, wrote a critique of Sci-Fi/Fantasy called "Starship >Troopers". As I recall, Heinlein and various others were picked out for >their right-wing authoritarian tendencies. This essay can be found in The >Opium General. Point of order: British people, in general, not just Moorcock, have little problem with American politics, just as Americans have a LOT of trouble with the whole British system of government. Heinlein was not authoritarian, he was ,if you must use a single word poltical lable, a Libertarian. Moorcock,at least in my view, has trouble with 2 things. 1) The concept that the "The Military" can be a honorable calling for a honorable man. 2) That it is possible to, at the same time, support the concept of the rights of the individual AND the duty of the individual to the group as a whole. Lots of people have problems with this it seems. In America, at least, people seem to think that you must be support one or the other, not a balance of both. Writing something that supports the _freely given choice_ of serving a _duty_ to the body politic as a whole, well, tends to confuse people. > >> and the fact that >> no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. > >Ha ha, how true :) This was an issue that R.A.H did in fact cover in the book. Things about not shooting to close to your self and how the armor of the troopers was designed to stop short term effects. For what it is worth, none of the hardware in the movie, from the space ships down to the rifles the MI were using is as the were in the book. From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Jan 7 15:00:25 1998 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:00:25 -0800 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: I saw, and liked it for what it was, though it's not the book, which I've read many many times. "Starship Troopers", the best movie based on the back cover of a book ever! scorch From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jan 7 16:22:25 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:22:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: >British people, in general, not just Moorcock, have little problem with >American politics, just as Americans have a LOT of trouble with the whole >British system of government. it's not just British people.... I mean, heck, Haldeman's 'The Forever War' was almost a direct counterpoint to 'Starship Troopers' (though I doubt they'll ever make a movie of it... >>> and the fact that >>> no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. >For what it is worth, none of the hardware in the movie, from the space >ships down to the rifles the MI were using is as the were in the book. The bug hardware is even worse, lessee, they throw rocks that go somehow faster than light, then slow down when they enter our atmosphere so ships can dodge them, and manage to hit a precise target on a spinning globe.... I guess rocks do that if you put enough english on them.... (and hey, I enjoyed the movie...) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From chrisr at TIAC.NET Wed Jan 7 16:31:42 1998 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:31:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dust (was Re: Hawkwind and the fans!) Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > Does anybody know whether Kenny Aaronsen's (I know I probably spelled > that wrong) old group Dust has ever had their albums released on CD? > I'm especially interested in _Hard Attack_, as I haven't been able > to listen to my old LP copy in years (no record player!). Hi, I have both Dust albums on CD, they are both on One Way the catalog numbers are:Dust - OW 29309 Dust - Hard Attack - 09310 They are both great CDs and also feature Richie Wise on guitar; (who used to produce the early Kiss albums ) Chris obcd: Budgie - An Ecstacy of Fumbling (2disc anthology) > > > Steve -- Walk not the earth, but fly through space-HW From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 7 18:08:00 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:00 -0700 Subject: MORE BOC DATES>>> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey; More dates added for the West Coast. Hope to see some of you out there!! 1/23 Santa Barbara, CA Coach House 1/24 Redondo Bch, CA Club Caprice ( formerly The Strand) 1/25 OFF??? 1/26 Bakersfield, CA Rockin' Rodeo 1/27 San Juan Cap., CA Coach House 1/28 San Fran, CA Slim's 1/29 ???? 1/30 Portland, OR Roseland Theater 1/31 Seattle, WA Some theater, forgot the name 2/01 Springfield, OR Probally at Mill Camp God bless....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Jan 7 19:05:52 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:05:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980107195100.006aa16c@ionet.net> Message-ID: On 7 Jan 98 at 13:51, J. Michael Looney wrote: > > > Any body that claims to say any thing about what the makers of the > movie were trying to say, who has not read Heinlein's book "Starship > Troopers" (from which the movie was based on, baddly I might add) > is, to be blunt, missing the whole point, and is most likly wrong > about one or more points. > > 1) The politics, at least in the book IS the point of the book. 2) > The Makers of the movie didn't like Heinlein's views, so they made > it, well, almost evil. If you have not read the book, you WILL get > the wrong idea about the concepts the R.A.H was trying to get > across. > I went to see this movie on personal recommendation only, enjoyable for what it was but absolute crud in any objective sense. Maybe the book is worthwhile, i don't know but i wouldn't even bother to watch it on tv, only worthwhile for seeing big spaceships on a big screen and impressive computer generated stuff (also Diz (?) stirred feelings within me). If the movie makers were trying to say anything other than this is a shit movie i'm afraid they failed. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 7 19:59:49 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:59:49 -0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: Guys, I wish I hadn't put it as an Ob now. While I thoroughly enjoyed the film, that's where it should have stayed, as an Ob. If you didn't enjoy it, well, tastes differ. However, having just spent this evening reading the original novel ("The best science fiction novel of 1959", it says on the cover), I've just got this to say: I thought it was extremely unpleasant. But, tastes differ. End of subject, as far as I'm concerned. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 7 20:19:02 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:02 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: At 04:22 PM 1/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >>British people, in general, not just Moorcock, have little problem with >>American politics, just as Americans have a LOT of trouble with the whole >>British system of government. > >it's not just British people.... I mean, heck, Haldeman's 'The Forever >War' was almost a direct counterpoint to 'Starship Troopers' (though >I doubt they'll ever make a movie of it... Part of that was that RAH was a naval officer between WWI and WWII, Haldeman was a grunt in Viet Nam. Lets just say that their view of the military came from a different angle. RAH would have died at Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941 had he not been given a medical discharge in late 1940. He was the gunnery officer on the USS Oklahoma. His replacement died at his battle station. RAH was from a generation that the Civil/military leaders, for lack of a better term, had their shit together most of the time and that they war that they were fighting was for clear and good reasons. The American leadership in the mid 60's to early 70's can not be said to having had their shit together, and the reasons for fighting in Viet Nam, plus the ways and means of fighting it were, to say the least, not good and clear. >>>> and the fact that >>>> no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. > >>For what it is worth, none of the hardware in the movie, from the space >>ships down to the rifles the MI were using is as the were in the book. > >The bug hardware is even worse, lessee, they throw rocks that go somehow >faster than light, then slow down when they enter our atmosphere >so ships can dodge them, and manage to hit a precise target on a spinning >globe.... > >I guess rocks do that if you put enough english on them.... > >(and hey, I enjoyed the movie...) > >+---------------------------------------+ >Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | >Roger Shrubstaff, | >Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | >aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | >+--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 7 20:19:04 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: At 12:05 AM 1/8/98 +0000, you wrote: >I went to see this movie on personal recommendation only, enjoyable >for what it was but absolute crud in any objective sense. Maybe the >book is worthwhile, i don't know but i wouldn't even bother to watch >it on tv, only worthwhile for seeing big spaceships on a big screen >and impressive computer generated stuff (also Diz (?) stirred >feelings within me). If the movie makers were trying to say anything >other than this is a shit movie i'm afraid they failed. > I, as you may have noticed am a major fan of RAH. I went to see ST, knowing full well that it was a hack job. What I tell my friends is this: 1) As an action adventure movie, it rocks. 2) It has great computer graphics, better that the silly things with T. Rex 3) It has nadda to to with one of the best SF books ever written, other than the names. 4) And don't even think about the politics of the movie, it's typical 90's hollywood, in that it is trapped in 1968, in that the military must be evil, and a government based on voluntary service before you can vote must be Nazi like or something. 5) Diz is hot... From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 7 20:59:29 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:59:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Christmas in Britain... In-Reply-To: <531fe176.34b31c5e@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, StevenTice wrote: > Okay, so what ARE the most noticeable differences between American and British > Christmas? This sort of stuff always fascinates me... In the four Yuletides I've spent in the USA, the main differences in the USA that I've noticed are as follows: - The neutral word "Holidays" is used in preference to Christmas. (I still remember how odd it seemed to get a Christmas that said "Happy Holidays" on it.); - Outdoor decorations!!! (particularly lights and lawn ornaments); - Christmas has an "official" start date (day after Thanksgiving); - Commercialisation appears at a more advanced state. Of course, for all I know, ol' Blighty might be like this now, but it's hard to imagine the outside decorations I saw in St. Petersburg in the UK. (Likewise, to see palm trees festooned with Christmas lights...:) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jimi Hendrix, _South Saturn Delta_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Jan 7 22:29:45 1998 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:29:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Dust (was Re: Hawkwind and the fans!) Message-ID: > >Does anybody know whether Kenny Aaronsen's (I know I probably spelled >that wrong) old group Dust has ever had their albums released on CD? >I'm especially interested in _Hard Attack_, as I haven't been able >to listen to my old LP copy in years (no record player!). > >Steve > Both have been released on One Way, way cheap. Never cared much for Hard Attack, but the first is indispensible. Wylie From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 8 05:09:32 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:09:32 GMT Subject: OFF: Ob:> apologies (was Startship Troopers) In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:59:49 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Guys, I wish I hadn't put it as an Ob now. While I thoroughly enjoyed the > film, that's where it should have stayed, as an Ob. If you didn't enjoy ooops! Not your fault - it was mine for commenting on it! Didn't realise it stirred quite such passion in the human psyche.... Sorry! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Thu Jan 8 05:24:44 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:24:44 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany? Message-ID: Hi ... ... mhm ... is it true, that Hawkwind will play at some kinda Festival in Bremen, Germany at Feb. 28th 1998 ?! And if, how else plays there, and, do they play somewhere else in germany ?! Later ... Reiner From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jan 8 06:47:23 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:47:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980107195100.006aa16c@ionet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, J. Michael Looney wrote: > 1) The politics, at least in the book IS the point of the book. > 2) The Makers of the movie didn't like Heinlein's views, so they made it, > well, almost evil. If you have not read the book, you WILL get the wrong > idea about the concepts the R.A.H was trying to get across. Perhaps you have a different perspective if you've read the book, but I didn't think the movie showed the government as evil - rather the movie seemed ambivalent on this score. Maybe I should read the book, but the only other Heinlein novel I ever tried to read (The Number of the Beast) I had to abandon after the 1st chapter. I'm afraid I found it risible and badly-written. > Moorcock,at least in my view, has trouble with 2 things. > 1) The concept that the "The Military" can be a honorable calling for a > honorable man. As an anarchist, Moorcock is basically opposed to the state and its machinery. But I don't think he's a pacifist; hence his references to the Nestor Makhno's anarchist army in the Russian civil war. 2) That it is possible to, at the same time, support the concept of the rights of the individual AND the duty of the individual to the group as a whole. The anarchist perspective would say that because states are not democratic people need feel no duty to them. But you can have duties to genuinely democratic groups. But I don't want to get into a discussion about whether these views, or Heinlein's, or whoever's, are right or reasonable!! Dave "History - an account, mostly false, of events, mostly unimportant, brought about by rulers, mostly knaves, and soldiers, mostly fools" (Ambrose Bierce) ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 8 07:15:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:15:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980108011902.0067db24@ionet.net> Message-ID: > From: "J. Michael Looney" > > Part of that was that RAH was a naval officer between WWI and WWII, Haldeman > was a grunt in Viet Nam. Lets just say that their view of the military came > from a different angle. RAH would have died at Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941 had > he not been given a medical discharge in late 1940. He was the gunnery > officer on the USS Oklahoma. His replacement died at his battle station. > RAH was from a generation that the Civil/military leaders, for lack of a > better term, had their shit together most of the time and that they war that No! No! No! Examine the presidents just before FDR: Hoover, Harding Coolidge...No more need be said. The military? If their shit was so together, how'd they get caught with their pants down at Pearl Harbor? Oh yeah, FDR knew about it, but wanted war, so he LET Japan wipe out half our navy on purpose...Or so the legend goes... > they were fighting was for clear and good reasons. The American leadership Public opinion was so against American entry into the European war that FDR had to beg and wheedle Congress like mad to let us donate some obsolescent ships to help the Brits. As for Japan, if the US hadn't put such a stranglehold on the oil resources of the Pacific rim [and many other natural resources as well] the Japanese may never have been driven to the desperation of war. FDR knew he could never have gotten Congress to declare war on Germany[before Pearl], that's why he never asked them--he'd have been laughed out of office... > in the mid 60's to early 70's can not be said to having had their shit > together, and the reasons for fighting in Viet Nam, plus the ways and means Most of the political and military leaders in the 60s and 70s were WWII veterans: Johnson, Nixon, Kennedy, Westmoreland... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 8 08:50:50 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:50:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: more post brothers Message-ID: Okay, managed to pick up some more issues of these. "Chalkwind" is the "hawkwind" band in this comic's universe. At one point, Ron Post is battling thousands of other versions of himself from other realities, and decides to plant booby traps in all of his favorite hangouts to try and do away with them. Amongst his many traps he sets, this one was rather amusing: He goes down to his favorite music store, and (after buying a couple albums for himself) places a c-4 explosive in the "Chalkwind" bin rigged to go off when someone looks through the records.... In later issues there is, in the text column in the back, a "hawkwind" section in which he mentions new releases by Hawkwind and/or former members of the band. Of course, these issues are back issues, so for example I have one mentioning Nik Turner's Space Ritual 1994, for eample... Anyways, most of the issues plug some obscure band or other (though about half are industrial).... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Jan 8 09:04:53 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:04:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980108011904.0068dd74@ionet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, "J. Michael Looney" wrote: >I, as you may have noticed am a major fan of RAH. I went to see ST, knowing >full well that it was a hack job. What I tell my friends is this: >1) As an action adventure movie, it rocks. My biggest problems with the movie (as itself, not as a comparison with the book) are military. Mobile Infantry that cannot be called mobile in any sense of the word, no artillery and armor support for the infantry, and some truly stupid tactical blunders that kicked my suspension of disbelief right out. >2) It has great computer graphics, better that the silly things with T. Rex >3) It has nadda to to with one of the best SF books ever written, other than >the names. >4) And don't even think about the politics of the movie, it's typical 90's >hollywood, in that it is trapped in 1968, in that the military must be evil, >and a government based on voluntary service before you can vote must be Nazi >like or something. Funny, I didn't get that at all. Maybe it's a difference in generation. (I may be a VietNam baby, but politically and emotionally, in respect to the military, I'm more kin to the WWII babies.) The strongest Nazi flavor I got was from the uniforms, which Hollywood uses a lot in SF-type movies for both the good guys and the villians. I suspect they simply think the Nazi unis look cool. One thing I've heard cited as an example of the movie's "anti-military" bias is the multiple amputee who tells Rico "The MI made me the man I am today." I saw that scene as showing how differently people can view the same thing. Rico, like many my age and younger, seemed to see the disability more than the man's pride in his experiences and whatever he may have accomplished while recieving those wounds. >5) Diz is hot... Which is why her fate was sealed.... One Hollywood cliche I saw coming miles away. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 8 09:05:24 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:05:24 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers Message-ID: There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. The rule seems to be take a great book, keep the title and some of the characters names, but otherwise make it unrecognizable. Without the benefit of reading the book I thought the movie was fine for what it was, action/fx offering from Hollywood. The subtler points of the movie citzens/military service, love triangles suffered, due to Hollywood's standard formula of sensory overload / simple plot + big box office bucks. Good points - the babes were babes (no offense ladies of the list) the body count was high communications in the future were hilarious Aliens were neat Low Points - Characters were underdevloped Military strategist were idiots (if ya got nukes why not take out the entire planet instead of sending soldiers with small pop guns) Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown did not get enough screen time the body count was high. I didn't think it any more violent than say Alien Ressurection. lil' ab "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey pay attention." EMB From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jan 8 09:37:17 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:37:17 -0500 Subject: Story on tape trading Message-ID: Wired news has an interesting story about traders, and a US "crackdown" of on-line trading. See if you recognize yourself in any of the descriptions... http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html Brian obCD> Anthrax "Stomp 442" -Keeps me going in the morning, and no caffeine P.S. It has come to my attention that I am unwittingly sending ms attachments with my e-mails to the list. I'm looking into the problem, but if an attachment is severely clogging your internet connection please write me privately and I wont post to the list again until the problem is solved. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:16:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:16:19 -0500 Subject: Hello Message-ID: >Al's current group is a real treat, Dag. A great live band as well. BTW, Al, what are the chances of a tBS live album? There was some talk of one coming out after BoH, so perhaps it's just getting delayed? > And how would you go about recording a live version of I Play the Drums! LOL - hook up mikes to the bottom of every table and beer bottle in the joint! John From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 8 10:17:37 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:17:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers Message-ID: >There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully >translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. It's harder than it sounds. Some people who write great books cannot write good screenplays... I mean, there are situations... I think Contact was a better movie than a book, Sagan's not the greatest writer of fiction, and the actors can portray certain things better than he could write them.... but it's not a great book in the first place, so doesn't qualify... Blade Runner, adapted from "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", is great, but still different from the book. Still, it would have to be my pick for favorite adaptation... lessee, Dune, I didn't think was that bad... Johnny Mnemonic got a lot of the atmosphere right... David Brin's 'The Postman' is okay... But for every one of these 'okay' adaptations there are a dozen like... oh, Roger Zelazny's "Damnation Alley" that made an abysmal film, how you can turn a biker renagade like Hell Tanner into a clean-cut, military-like crewcut sporting good guy is beyond me.... >"60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. >You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey >pay attention." EMB speaking of adaptations (and comics, to tie two OFF threads together), comics often adapt much better to movies since they are already a visual medium to begin with, and their layout gives a direct storyboard for a movie. One of the best adaptations to a tv format of a comic would have to be The Tick, which your quote indicates you are familiar with. Still wish Edlund would at least do one or two more issues of the comic, though... there are dozens of movies which have been adapted from comics (MIB, TMNT, Spawn, Crow, Superman, Batman, etc. etc.), and their success rate seems to at least succeed that of books... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:19:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:19:39 -0500 Subject: New Album title? Message-ID: >I was just visiting the Imaginos site, and they say the new album will be titled 'Heavan Forbid...' Rumor at this point, I believe. Eric, known for occassional jokes on the AOL board (he pulled a funny April Fools post a few years ago), send a message to the AOL BOC board with the subject line of "In '98", and the body of the message (in large letters) said "Heaven Forbid!" Whether that's the actual title, the new working title, a suggestion of something far more sinister, or just Eric teasing us, is open to interpretation (just like BOC's lyrics). John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jan 8 10:38:27 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:38:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Krautrock in SF?? Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just came across this message on the 'isi' krautrock mailing list. Boy, if this became true, I would book my flight reservations in a minute. Luckily, my brother lives in Livermore (not too far away), so that I wouldn't need a hotel room. Any news from the Bay Area folks on this item?? Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ >Also (this should get the list active again) a friend of mine who is a >rabid Prog fan, just called to say that the organizers of this years >Progfest in May are talking to Amon Duul2 and a reformed Ash Ra Tempel!! >it's all to be in San Fran on May 23rd! can anyone on the list confirm >this? From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Jan 8 10:43:39 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:43:39 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Germany? In-Reply-To: <199801081039.LAA24616@www.hoechst.com> Message-ID: Hi At 11:24 08.01.98 +0100, you wrote: >... mhm ... is it true, that Hawkwind will play at some kinda Festival >in Bremen, Germany at Feb. 28th 1998 ?! And if, how else plays there, >and, do they play somewhere else in germany ?! As far as I know this gig is unfortunately cancelled :-(( But there are rumours about HAWKWIND playing in April in Germany Bernhard From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 8 13:02:31 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:02:31 GMT Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: BREVARD, Adrian R.'s message of Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:05:24 -0600 Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully > translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. The rule Solaris? But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? jill Obremark:> Winston Churchill about Stafford Cripps "There, but for the grace of God, goes God" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 8 15:34:01 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:34:01 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Well, Richard Pinhas (AKA Heldon) has used a couple of SciFi titles for a few of his compositions, but they have all been instrumentals, so this probably doesn't count. He did have Norman Spinrad "sing" on "Houston 69" off of EAST-WEST (man. I just thought of a new "Golden Throats" idea, singin' sci-fi authors!!! I can just imagine a duet between Spinrad and Moorcock! I think I may need therapy....) obInTheMailToday: My Kinesis order!! Two Fonyas, two Jeremeys and an Eric Norlander; keyboard heaven!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: J Strobridge To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:47 PM Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF >BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > >> There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully >> translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. The rule > >Solaris? > >But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness >how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean >Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? > >jill > > >Obremark:> Winston Churchill about Stafford Cripps "There, but for the >grace of God, goes God" > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 8 16:29:28 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:29:28 -0500 Subject: HW: HW-ish synth track on VARIOUS ARTISTS / TRUTH OR DARE Message-ID: Got a CD from Groove (used to be CUE) called TRUTH OR DARE a while back. This is the third CD in the X-Files inspired series, done by various GROOVE artists and other notable European synthesists. Just got around to listening to a few days ago and there is a killer track on there that sounds like a great LEVITATION-era synth jam. The track is called "23:59" and is performed by Ian Boddy and Norman Fay. Boddy, I am very familiar with, but this is the first I've heard from Fay. The music is a bit of a departure for Boddy, so I expect that Fay is the HW fan... I highly recommend this series of CD's to those of you that like electronic music, especially of the darker, techno-trance-ish, analogue stuff (there is a touch of classic TD on a number of tracks spread across the three CD's, FWIW). Got mine through Windspell here in the US (1-800-597-WIND). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 9 00:08:15 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:08:15 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Byrne on Spidey Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 01:47:59 EST, you write: << Just thinking about Byrne horrifies me! NOOOOoooooooo!!!! Stand back! Evil child! aaargh put away that filt tip pen!! >stab! stab!< Argh! My EYEs!!! yes, it looks so much better now, mr Byrne, here's a 1000 bucks a page! >> Ha ha ha! You crack me up, Christian! Say, I don't suppose you'd be interested in writing something for my magazine, Musings, when it relaunches this year? We could certainly use your witty commentary on the comics industry... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 9 00:18:57 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:18:57 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Friendly Frank's Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 09:08:21 EST, you write: << What was the name of your account? Who knows, maybe I was responsible for your bad experience! If you ever had questions about money/your financial status etc. I was the one you would have talked to. I left the company in about July of 1990 (or was it 1991?). And of course Frank himself was not someone any sane person would want to deal with... mainly because he had an oedipal thing going on with his mother, who was the secretary treasurer.... but that's material for another time.... >> Calliope Comics, the same as now... But it was toward the end of '90 that we had our little dispute...I owed them about $300 at one point, about $100 of which was disputed, so I sent them a check for $200...I then received a message from them saying "You owe us $500!" Here they'd ADDED the amount I sent instead of SUBTRACTING it...isn't that amazing? Of course, they messed things up when distributing Musings a few years later, although Capital City tended to screw up even worse... (Of course, we don't have to worry about those distributors any MORE, do we? ...sigh...I guess there's no way to win here, is there?) Interesting news about Frank, although I only rarely talked to him...sounds like possible fodder for the Comics Journal or something...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 9 00:20:45 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:20:45 EST Subject: OFF: Comics: Friendly Frank's Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 14:01:56 EST, you write: << Wow, I'm getting taken back by these Friendly Frank references.......one favorite (and I am definitely dating myself here), is the time I traded with Frank (was it Mangiaracina ?) long before he was a distributor. I sent him multiple copies of the Perez New Teen Titans #1-4 and DC Presents #26 (their first appearance, natch) at ridiculous prices for a "Blood is the Harvest." That was an anti-communism book (a giveaway) published by the Catechetical Guild in the early 50's. >> Gee, more interesting info on Friendly Frank! I'm truly amazed by how many people on BOC-L have been involved with comics to a significant degree at many different points in the history of comics... From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 9 00:26:29 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:26:29 EST Subject: OFF: Re: Christmas in Britain... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-07 21:00:58 EST, you write: <> Eeeew! Palm trees are so un-Christmasy! It's just not Christmas without real snow on the evergreens...:-) Thanks for the information! SET From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 9 01:53:59 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:53:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Christmas in Britain... Message-ID: >In a message dated 98-01-07 21:00:58 EST, you write: > >< hard to imagine the outside decorations I saw in St. Petersburg in the > UK. (Likewise, to see palm trees festooned with Christmas lights...:) > >> > >Eeeew! Palm trees are so un-Christmasy! It's just not Christmas without real >snow on the evergreens...:-) Aw, can't recall it any other way. Same here on the other coast of FL. Probably not as warm as it is for the Australians on the list, though... (though it's been rather humid all week..) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jan 9 04:53:48 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:53:48 +0000 Subject: Clancy Brown + BOC UK gigs Message-ID: > Low Points - Characters were underdevloped > Military strategist were idiots (if ya got nukes why not take out the > entire planet instead of sending soldiers with small pop guns) > Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown did not get enough screen time > the body count was high. Clancy "Kurgan" Brown's in it?! Top stuff - why did no-one mention this before? Don't suppose he gets to play a good guy this time..? Guess where I'm going tonight... Anyway - back on topic... Any news of any UK BOC gigs for 1998. I'm suffering from withdrawal symptoms (if you see what I mean). Cheers, Rich. ObTopXmasPressie - Hard Rock Cafe, Riyadh T-shirt. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 9 05:02:03 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:02:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <01bd1c74$c125b5a0$3d82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In article <01bd1c74$c125b5a0$3d82d681 at pyratl.mis.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >>Solaris? >> >>But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness >>how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean >>Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? >> >>jill Jill's post didn't reach me but as it was quoted........Hmmm, excellant question..David Bowie's Diamond Dogs, if not Space Oddity, Spiders from Mars, Ashes To Ashes etc. early Devo...anyone ever into Bill Nelson's Red Noise? "Build a Better Home In The Phantom Zone" or "Substitute Flesh" How about early Cabaret Voltaire, would that count as SF? or Punilux? Rezillo's Destination Venus? Flying Saucer Attack? (the song not the band) God, there were loads of Futurist bands at the end of the '70's, weren't there? Why can't I remember them now? ah, how about Alien Sex Fiend - "Ride My Rocket (Up Uranus, Baby)" Even The Stranglers had their Sci-Fi moments with stuff like "Rise Of The Robots". Oh bother, work to do. laters. -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 9 06:29:08 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > question..David Bowie's Diamond Dogs, if not Space Oddity, Spiders from > Mars, Ashes To Ashes etc. early Devo...anyone ever into Bill Nelson's > Red Noise? "Build a Better Home In The Phantom Zone" or "Substitute > Flesh" How about early Cabaret Voltaire, would that count as SF? or > Punilux? Rezillo's Destination Venus? Flying Saucer Attack? (the song > not the band) God, there were loads of Futurist bands at the end of the > '70's, weren't there? Why can't I remember them now? ah, how about Alien > Sex Fiend - "Ride My Rocket (Up Uranus, Baby)" Even The Stranglers had > their Sci-Fi moments with stuff like "Rise Of The Robots". Not forgetting those poptastic classics such as "The Monster Mash" and "Startrekkin'" (Altogether: There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow......). Can't remember who was responsible for these tho'. Also slipping into my mind is "Doctorin the Tardis" (The Timelords?), tho I don't think that had lyrics. Slipping into my Alan Partridge mode, I recall that Wings had a song called "Magneto and Titanium Man", apparently based on some SF comic book. Anyway, enough deep unfashionability....I'm sure these aren't the kind of songs Jill had in mind! :) Dave "I'm the urban spaceman baby I got speed I've got everything you need" ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 9 07:24:43 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:24:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Not forgetting those poptastic classics such as "The Monster Mash" and > "Startrekkin'" And how could we forget The Carpenters' "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft"? (was this actually the title?) Or Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds"? Or Elton John's "Rocket Man" (Mars ain't the kinda place to raise your kids....) Cheesily, Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Jan 9 07:17:16 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? Message-ID: Fellow Orkwind fans, I have a pretty weird mispressing (reissue from the eighties) of the Hall of the Mountain Grill LP. It has the B-side printed on both sides of the record!! Has anybody else seen one of these? Are there any die-hard completists out there who would actually pay money/trade something for this item? Cheers, Mr Ola From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 9 07:45:47 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:45:47 -0500 Subject: Clancy Brown + BOC UK gigs In-Reply-To: <34B5F3A9.F9149E15@geocities.com> Message-ID: >Clancy "Kurgan" Brown's in it?! Top stuff - why did no-one mention this >before? Don't suppose he gets to play a good guy this time..? Guess >where I'm going tonight... > yep, he's a good guy....sort of... if you consider a "Drill Sergeant" to be a good guy :-) somehow I don't think I'll ever feel that way about my Drills.... From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Fri Jan 9 08:04:22 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:04:22 -0600 Subject: HW-ish synth track on VARIOUS ARTISTS / TRUTH OR DARE Message-ID: Craig, can you provide any additional details on the cd's--label, price, songs, etc.? Who are the most notable among the various contributors? Allan. ---------- From: craigs Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:29 PM To: BOC-L Cc: craigs Subject: HW: HW-ish synth track on VARIOUS ARTISTS / TRUTH OR DARE Got a CD from Groove (used to be CUE) called TRUTH OR DARE a while back. This is the third CD in the X-Files inspired series, done by various GROOVE artists and other notable European synthesists. Just got around to listening to a few days ago and there is a killer track on there that sounds like a great LEVITATION-era synth jam. The track is called "23:59" and is performed by Ian Boddy and Norman Fay. Boddy, I am very familiar with, but this is the first I've heard from Fay. The music is a bit of a departure for Boddy, so I expect that Fay is the HW fan... I highly recommend this series of CD's to those of you that like electronic music, especially of the darker, techno-trance-ish, analogue stuff (there is a touch of classic TD on a number of tracks spread across the three CD's, FWIW). Got mine through Windspell here in the US (1-800-597-WIND). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- -------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 9 08:42:27 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:42:27 GMT Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? In-Reply-To: Ola Nyberg's message of Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:16 +0100 Message-ID: Ola Nyberg writes: > Fellow Orkwind fans, > > I have a pretty weird mispressing (reissue from the eighties) of the Hall > of the Mountain Grill LP. > It has the B-side printed on both sides of the record!! Has anybody else > seen one of these? Are there any die-hard completists out there who would > actually pay money/trade something for this item? oh heck! Yes - I guess I would. What would you like in exchange? I can let you have a list of my spare Hawkwind or can go shopping if you prefer! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Fri Jan 9 09:06:48 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:06:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: I think Bill Mumy (of B5/Lost in Space fame) did Startrekking. I know he did Fisheads, and a bunch of other comedic song classics (not that I can recall any of the names now...) Allan. -------- ---------- From: D.K.Hardman Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 5:29 AM To: BOC-L Cc: D.K.Hardman Subject: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > question..David Bowie's Diamond Dogs, if not Space Oddity, Spiders from > Mars, Ashes To Ashes etc. early Devo...anyone ever into Bill Nelson's > Red Noise? "Build a Better Home In The Phantom Zone" or "Substitute > Flesh" How about early Cabaret Voltaire, would that count as SF? or > Punilux? Rezillo's Destination Venus? Flying Saucer Attack? (the song > not the band) God, there were loads of Futurist bands at the end of the > '70's, weren't there? Why can't I remember them now? ah, how about Alien > Sex Fiend - "Ride My Rocket (Up Uranus, Baby)" Even The Stranglers had > their Sci-Fi moments with stuff like "Rise Of The Robots". Not forgetting those poptastic classics such as "The Monster Mash" and "Startrekkin'" (Altogether: There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow......). Can't remember who was responsible for these tho'. Also slipping into my mind is "Doctorin the Tardis" (The Timelords?), tho I don't think that had lyrics. Slipping into my Alan Partridge mode, I recall that Wings had a song called "Magneto and Titanium Man", apparently based on some SF comic book. Anyway, enough deep unfashionability....I'm sure these aren't the kind of songs Jill had in mind! :) Dave "I'm the urban spaceman baby I got speed I've got everything you need" ************************************************************************ ****** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ************************************************************************ ***** From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Jan 9 09:15:48 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:15:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? Message-ID: Jill Strobridge writes: >------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Ola Nyberg writes: > >> Fellow Orkwind fans, >> >> I have a pretty weird mispressing (reissue from the eighties) of the Hall >> of the Mountain Grill LP. >> It has the B-side printed on both sides of the record!! Has anybody else >> seen one of these? Are there any die-hard completists out there who would >> actually pay money/trade something for this item? > >oh heck! Yes - I guess I would. What would you like in exchange? >I can let you have a list of my spare Hawkwind or can go shopping if you >prefer! I knew there would be somebody crazy enough! Please send me your list of spare Hawkwind records. Ola From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 9 09:59:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:59:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: >There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully >translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. >It's harder than it sounds. Some people who write great books >cannot write good screenplays... Indeed. Two different mediums. How do you treat character development in a movie when the general consensus is that most people won't watch a movie greater than 2 hours. This school of thought being the movie industry and not my own. Further I agree it can be done, citing specifically some of the examples you list most notably Dune. Thats a difficult project and probably undoable if you stayed true to the book. Overall I think the intent was there and the results were not bad. Yet it seems for every Dune or Blade Runner you have a movie like The Shining. One of King's best books but a deplorable movie. Please don't harp in on the job done by Nicholson, I'm totally inflexible on this. The movie version sucked period. 8>) >speaking of adaptations (and comics, to tie two OFF threads together), comics often adapt much better to movies since they are already a visual medium to begin with, and their layout gives a direct storyboard for a movie. One of the best adaptations to a tv format of a comic would have to be The Tick, which your quote indicates you are familiar with. Still wish Edlund would at least do one or two more issues of the comic, though... Yes, yes a thousand times yes! comics/movies are really close and easier to do. Tick is one of the crown jewels. I fell in love with the animated series before I even knew it was based on an adpation. Both mediums work well for the big blue guy. Along with Edlund continuing the Comic I wish Fox had not backed off their decision to produce more animated episodes. Wish me luck, on the 18th of this month Com Central is broadcasting the Santa Clone episode which is rarely shown. I get this one then I have all 36 of the episodes made. There is a scene in Starship Troopers that had me howling. Recall the "Brain Bug" prepping to suck grey matter out of the two pilots. I could not help but think of my fave Tick episode "Tick vs. The Uncommon Cold". In this ep an Alien named Thrak-a-zog moves next door to the Tick and Authur. His plan is to clone the Tick and create an army of super beings to conquer earth. Thrak is made mostly of slime but has toungue with a mind of its own. Occassionaly it pops out looking to eat human brains. Anyway during that scene in Starship Troopers I was sorely tempted to yell out "Eat rude Brains." ala Thrak's tongue. I restrained myself though as I was with my two sons and feared I might embarrass them in front of their friends. lil ab OBsecond on comics to movies HBO's animated Spawn, powerful stuff From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 9 10:09:18 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:09:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? Message-ID: Hi! > >I have a pretty weird mispressing (reissue from the eighties) of the Hall >of the Mountain Grill LP. >It has the B-side printed on both sides of the record!! Has anybody else >seen one of these? Are there any die-hard completists out there who would >actually pay money/trade something for this item? I?m! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 9 10:04:16 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:04:16 -0600 Subject: Off Starship, I missed one... Message-ID: >Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown did not get enough screen time > the body count was high. >Clancy "Kurgan" Brown's in it?! Top stuff - why did no-one mention this before? Don't suppose he gets to play a good guy this time..? Clancy "Krugan" Brown (marvelous underatted talent) was the drill instructor who took the Troopers through boot camp. Unyeilding and forceful. His was a small role but IMHO the best acting job in the whole movie. It is also "Krugan" who becomes the hero at the end of the movie as he is the one who actually captures the brain eating bug. Mike Ironside was a teacher and later a Lt.. Typical good performance for him too. Everyone else might as well have been manequins. lil' ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 9 10:10:02 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:10:02 -0600 Subject: tBS Live Material Message-ID: >Al's current group is a real treat, Dag. A great live band as well. BTW, Al, what are the chances of a tBS live album? >There was some talk of one coming out after BoH, so perhaps it's just getting delayed? Sigh, brings back some rather sad memories. One of the last things Rudy got to do was to capture tBS historic 3 set gig. I believe it was the first time he had a chance to use his mini disc recorder. I recall him telling me how fantastic it sounded. Would have been great if tBS had a copy of that from Rudy's rig, that would be an awesome live cd. L8er lil' ab When I look up at the stars at night what could I find beyond the light, a hundred million worlds we ignore. - Pleadies , King's X From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Jan 9 10:21:50 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:21:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? Message-ID: Miikka Wagner wrote: >Hi! > >> >>I have a pretty weird mispressing (reissue from the eighties) of the Hall >>of the Mountain Grill LP. >>It has the B-side printed on both sides of the record!! Has anybody else >>seen one of these? Are there any die-hard completists out there who would >>actually pay money/trade something for this item? > >I?m! Another completist! Don't tell me you have the mispressed version of the Anthology Box Set picture discs (3LPs) too (I don't)... Jill Strobridge was the first to answer, however... Miikka, are you by any chance the Hawkwind fanatic I met at a record fair at Solnahallen, Stockholm, about a year ago? The guy (you?) desperetaly wanted my copy of HF12 and the vinyl Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall by RC. Ola From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jan 9 10:40:56 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:40:56 +0200 Subject: HW: Rarity mispressing? Message-ID: > >Another completist! Don't tell me you have the mispressed version of the >Anthology Box Set picture discs (3LPs) too (I don't)... Jill Strobridge >was the first to answer, however... > No, I don?t have this. I only have spare copies 12" Hawklords- 25 years, black vinyl. >Miikka, are you by any chance the Hawkwind fanatic I met at a record fair >at Solnahallen, Stockholm, about a year ago? The guy (you?) desperetaly >wanted my copy of HF12 and the vinyl Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall by >RC. > Well, I?m fanatic but I?m not this one, because I never been in Stockholm?s record fairs. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 9 10:58:13 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:58:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: >Indeed. Two different mediums. How do you treat character development >in a movie when the general consensus is that most people won't watch a >movie greater than 2 hours. This school of thought being the movie >industry and not my own. Further I agree it can be done, citing >specifically some of the examples you list most notably Dune. Thats a >difficult project and probably undoable if you stayed true to the book. nods. That was a project the movie industry convinced itself was horrible before anyone saw it, it was a bandwagon kind of thing that railroaded it. It wasn't perfect, but Frank Herbert himself said he liked it (and Herbert had tried to write a screenplay for it and failed miserably).... >Overall I think the intent was there and the results were not bad. Yet >it seems for every Dune or Blade Runner you have a movie like The >Shining. One of King's best books but a deplorable movie. Please >don't harp in on the job done by Nicholson, I'm totally inflexible on >this. The movie version sucked period. 8>) I generally can't stand King movies, the only one worth a salt was The Dead Zone, and like first ten minutes of "The Stand", for purely biased reasons ... (there, see, I brought this back marginally on-topic.... lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., not written for the movie) song in a movie? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 9 11:16:19 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:19 -0600 Subject: HW: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Jon Browne "Re: OFF: Lyrical SF" (Jan 9, 10:02am) Message-ID: > But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness > how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean > Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? > > jill For the definitive (as of the last update) answer to this, please see the "SF References in Music" list put together by Rich Kulawiec. This is an extensive listing that contains entries for BOC, Hawkwind, Michael Moorcock, Tim Blake, ... (which all make this completely on topic again). You can find versions at: http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/music.sci-fi-refs.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/music/sci-fi-refs/faq.html Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 A friend of mine gave me a Philip Glass record. I listened to it for five hours before I realized it had a scratch on it. -- Emo Phillips From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jan 9 11:42:39 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:42:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nyyyyeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhihihihhihii!!!! "I was the captain and the captain was me" -'Where's Captain Kirk?', Spizzenergi From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 9 13:35:46 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:35:46 EST Subject: tBS Live Material Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-09 10:20:44 EST, ab writes: << Sigh, brings back some rather sad memories. One of the last things Rudy got to do was to capture tBS historic 3 set gig. I believe it was the first time he had a chance to use his mini disc recorder. I recall him telling me how fantastic it sounded. Would have been great if tBS had a copy of that from Rudy's rig, that would be an awesome live cd. >> Rudy sent me a dub of this on VHS HiFi. I'd GLADLY forward it to Al if he's interested... R. From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Jan 9 13:39:36 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:39:36 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: At 10:58 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >not written for the movie) song in a movie? > > CCR's "Bad Moon on the Rise" in "American Werewolf in London" or Steppen Wolf "Magic Carpet Ride" in "ST: First Contact" -- Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jan 9 15:25:01 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:25:01 -0800 Subject: HW: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Frank Weil authored the message that said >> But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness >> how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean >> Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? >> >> jill > > For the definitive (as of the last update) answer to this, please see > the "SF References in Music" list put together by Rich Kulawiec. This > is an extensive listing that contains entries for BOC, Hawkwind, > Michael Moorcock, Tim Blake, ... (which all make this completely on > topic again). > > You can find versions at: > > http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/music.sci-fi-refs.html > > http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/music/sci-fi-refs/faq.htm l Yeah, a pretty darn comprehensive list (just checked it out myself), with notable contributions from our pals messrs. Holmes & Swann. My only disappointment is that it doesn't really include any of the more or less obscure space rock bands that get mentioned on this list from time to time - not even Ozric Tentacles, let alone Alien Planetscapes, Architectural Metaphor, Chrome (!), F/i, ST37 (to name a few who actually have CD's out). Or even William Shatner's "brilliant" rendition of "Rocket Man". If I had more time on my hands, I'd try to compile some info on them, but I'm also sorta lazy. Does it count that I wrote a song called "Blind Date With Abduction" about a young couple kidnapped from lover's lane by a space alien who seduces the girl with intergalactic aphrodisiacs and puts her boyfriend in a test tube for cruel and unusual experimentation ("there was a tube up his ass, and a tube up his nose / needles jammed into Jim's fingers and toes!" ouch)? Or that our guitarist wrote a song about a guy who's depressed about never being able to see his girlfriend 'cause she's always traveling around in her Time Machine ("she gets her acid straight from Owsley / I wanna go too but she never allows me.")? Of course, there must be people on the list with many more sci-fi originals than this (hi Marc!!) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 9 15:34:08 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:34:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: >At 10:58 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >>not written for the movie) song in a movie? >> >> > >CCR's "Bad Moon on the Rise" in "American Werewolf in London" they should have used Zevon's "Werewolves of London" ... oh, well, at least "the color of money" did... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 9 15:28:14 1998 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:28:14 +0000 Subject: OFF Maxell Tapes Message-ID: Sorry to be so wildly off topic but does anybody in the UK know of a decent mail order source for blank Maxell XLS cassette tapes or similar. I have been scouting the local shops over CHristmas and even HMV, Virgin etc seem not to stock any decent blank cassettes anymore. Thanks David From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Jan 9 15:56:54 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:56:54 -0600 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: At 03:34 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 10:58 AM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>>lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >>>not written for the movie) song in a movie? >>> >>> >> >>CCR's "Bad Moon on the Rise" in "American Werewolf in London" > >they should have used Zevon's "Werewolves of London" ... To easy a shot... And I think they did use it. IIRC Bad Moon was during his first change. Need to watch that again. -- Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jan 9 16:27:57 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Douglas Pearson wrote: >Does it count that I wrote a song called "Blind Date With Abduction" about >a young couple kidnapped from lover's lane by a space alien who seduces the >girl with intergalactic aphrodisiacs and puts her boyfriend in a test tube >for cruel and unusual experimentation ("there was a tube up his ass, and a >tube up his nose / needles jammed into Jim's fingers and toes!" ouch)? Or >that our guitarist wrote a song about a guy who's depressed about never >being able to see his girlfriend 'cause she's always traveling around in >her Time Machine ("she gets her acid straight from Owsley / I wanna go too >but she never allows me.")? Ah... they joys of having one's own band. I sure do miss it. >Of course, there must be people on the list with many more sci-fi originals >than this (hi Marc!!) ... How about the touching ballad, "Pirate Robot Birthday Party"? Yo ho ho Beep beep beep So much noise it's hard to sleep All the crew is young and hardy Pirate Robot Birthday Party or there's always the seminal favorite "The Temptation of the Quasi-Electric Dynomutt" Sometimes it's nice to get together with friends and write songs you know will never make it beyond a few copies on cheap 90min tape... Brian OBsong> "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" Fierce Wicker -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I may be wrong, but I don't think "As Time Goes By" was written specially for _Casablanca_... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jan 9 07:04:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:04:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: On Friday, January 09, 1998 11:29 AM, Hardman DK [SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] wrote: > Not forgetting those poptastic classics such as "The Monster Mash" and > "Startrekkin'" (Altogether: There's Klingons on the starboard bow, > starboard bow, starboard bow......). Can't remember who was responsible > for these tho'. Bobby "Boris" Pickett and the Crypt-Kickers, and the Firm, respectively, I think? Don't forget Edelweiss' "Raumschiff Edelweiss" either! Or indeed Copey's "S.p.a.c.e.r.o.c.k with me", Trekpop if ever I heard any. Or (I can't resist) Sarah Brightman and Hot Gossip's "I Lost My Heart to a Starship Trooper" :))) Also slipping into my mind is "Doctorin the Tardis" (The > Timelords?), tho I don't think that had lyrics. "Doctor Who-oo, Doctor Who, Doctor Who-oo, the Tardis!" -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From makmorn at QIS.NET Fri Jan 9 18:06:33 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:06:33 -0500 Subject: tBS,HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: I've been listening to _Malpractise_ for the last couple weeks (the best Christmas present I got!) and "Needle Gun" has had a hold on me from the start. So, what is the Needle Gun? Is it weapon (a gun that shoots metal slivers, perhaps?) or the implement of a tattoo artist? If the former, is it yet another form of Stormbringer? -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri Jan 9 18:49:19 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:49:19 +0000 Subject: tBS,HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: The Needle Gun is one of Jerry Cornelius weapons. There's a fight sequence between Jerry and Frank over Catherine in the movie of Final Programme.... Frank and Jerrys Psychosonic Sound Emporium! has some wavs from the movie ;-) It's under construction, it's a bit tat at the minute...There's some beaut one liners in the movie..... Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jan 9 18:56:35 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas Pearson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:56:35 -0800 Subject: tBS,HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: Thus spoke the voice of Daniel Ligon : > I've been listening to _Malpractise_ for the last couple weeks (the > best Christmas present I got!) and "Needle Gun" has had a hold on me > from the start. So, what is the Needle Gun? > > Is it weapon (a gun that shoots metal slivers, perhaps?) or the > implement of a tattoo artist? If the former, is it yet another > form of Stormbringer? Well, I always wondered about the inclusion of this song on the 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' album, since the weapon was introduced in Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius series (although I think it may appear in one of the Elric stories that I haven't read ... someone who knows more about the subject than me can perhaps clarify this). As I understand it, the weapon shoots hypodermic needles, which can inject the drug of the shooter's choice into the target (as I recall, Cornelius uses it both lethally and non-lethally). Hence, there's also the "hard drug" connotation with it (sorta like "Deep Fix"). Haven't heard the Brain Surgeons version yet; guess that's something I need to work on ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Fri Jan 9 19:36:39 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:36:39 CST Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jan 1998 05:00:31 CST." <199801081000.FAA29640@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: What the heck, why not... Hardman DK writes of Veerhoeven and ST's politics: >> At times he appeared to be poking fun at it, but at other times >> playing it straight. He should IMHO have either placed less emphasis on >> the fighting and made the politics more coherent, or he should have gone >> all-out for a total bubblegum movie. Unfortunately, he seems to have >> fallen somewhere in between. Quite agree. Just for the record, Veerhoeven is not in favor of facism or the Nazis or any of that. The Nazis destroyed his home and childhood. His satire was a bit too sharp, though, and many folks completely missed the fact that he wasn't playing it straight, thinking it to be advocating the facist position. J Strobridge writes: >the pacifist character never emerged - at best he was a confused simpleton >drifting where the current action was strongest and his promotion was not >on any intrinsic military merits but solely because everyone else got >crunched. No great leadership qualities here. Ummm...isn't that the way it works? I know it happened in Harry Harrison's parody, "Bill, The Galactic Hero", but I seem to remember that even to some extent RAH's book. (...though it has been at least 15 years since I've read either one. Pacifist character? Where?) m@ ObCD: pApAs fritAs, "Helioself" From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 9 21:35:54 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:35:54 -0800 Subject: BOC-L trivia quiz In-Reply-To: <199712311952.OAA17840@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > 1. What exactly does the Mitre Corporation do? Wasn't that the defense contractor that was used to hack the DOD (from the book _Cuckoo's Egg_, by Cliff Stohl)? -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 9 21:42:37 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:42:37 -0800 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: So, does anybody know if they're going to use the BOC song in the movie? I think it'd go great over the credits. -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 9 21:46:15 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:46:15 -0800 Subject: tBS: Malpractice/Cellsum Message-ID: Where can I get a Cellsum catalog? I got one with my BoH CD, but haven't received one since. Does Al have a mailing list? I'd like to order Malpractice, if all the copies haven't been snatched up by the Hawkfans. -Pete obcd: Dream Theatre: Images and Words -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 9 22:09:10 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:09:10 -0800 Subject: BOC: CD-R/Bootlegging/Imaginos Message-ID: Awhile back there was a mention of somebody's web site offering custom bootleg CD's, and recently I somebody mentioned something similar. I was wondering, what do the people on this list feel about that? I've never done any bootlegging before, and I don't know if maybe there's a different additude for CD bootlegs vs. Cassete bootlegs. The reason I'm asking is that I recently got a CD-R, and have been making a few mixed CD's for myself, and was thinking about doing a custom Imaginos (possibly multiple CD's, using other 'appropriate' music from other BOC albums). What interest have you regarding this? The CD's cost around $3 - $4 each in bulk, and if nobody has any moral objections, I'd be willing to make copies for interested parties, so long as it doesn't become a mass-quantities affair. (If I did this, I'd prefer to trade for stuff, or maybe charge $5 or so to cover costs.) Lemme know what you think, -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Jan 10 01:47:03 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:47:03 -0700 Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music Message-ID: >>>anyone ever into Bill Nelson's Red Noise? "Build a Better Home In The Phantom Zone" or "Substitute Flesh" I love Bill Nelson. He is one of my favorite guitar guys. The first time I ever saw him was when Be Bop Deluxe warmed up for BOC (right after Angel played) at the LA Forum. These guys walked on stage, and in the era of the big production opening, Bill comes up to the mike and says "Will you excuse us while we tune". They were all wearing 3 piece suits and I'm thinking "This would be a good time to go to the can". Then they started playing and really tore the place up. I went out and bought all their albums. I was also fortunate to see him with the Red Noise outfit at the Whiskey in Hollywood. Great fun. I wish he would get out and play more. Brad Dahl "This basement thing is really blowing my buzz" Lawrence in Limbo http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jan 10 04:08:25 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:08:25 -0500 Subject: tBS,HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: >I've been listening to _Malpractise_ for the last couple weeks (the >best Christmas present I got!) and "Needle Gun" has had a hold on me >from the start. So, what is the Needle Gun? > >Is it weapon (a gun that shoots metal slivers, perhaps?) or the >implement of a tattoo artist? If the former, is it yet another >form of Stormbringer? Okay, first off a Needle Gun (or sometimes "needler") is a staple of certain sf genre... but in this particular case, it is referrnig to a specific item, (which helped make a needle gun such a staple), that being the weapon of Jerry Cornelius, one of the aspects, as it were, of the Eternal Champion (Elric being another). In this analogy, it would correspond directly with Stormbringer. However, the song also clearly has a drug metaphor, which is not that far off base, it came from the Black Sword album and Stormbringer is definitely a "drug" for Elric (even though he takes more conventional drugs to try to rid himself of it...) Someone awhile back even mentioned the hawks playing it at some kind of rehab benefit and commenting on it right before playign it.. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jan 10 06:55:09 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:55:09 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind stuff for sale Message-ID: Gidday boc-l, I jyust got this list in my in-box. I can't vouch personally for the Guy, but he lists his # etc so it should be OK Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:06:05 +0000 From: DefaultUser To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind stuff for sale Howdy Sonique! I thought that I might E-mail you my list of surplus HW material that I have for sale, iff you could post it on you list. I have taken the bold step of gettiong rid of the bulk of my vinyl as my record deck is a bit knackered, as well as a few other oddsd and ends. Originally, my list was six pages long, but not much left now! Somebody out there mioght want something. anyhow, best regards for 1998 Guy Thomas guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk or g.j.h.thomas at btinternet.com or 44-171-925-4226(daytime UK 09.30-17.30) Singles: Born to Go / Lord of Light UA German Doremi cover, V Tatty ?8.00 Urban Guerrilla / Brainbox Pollution UA plain cover ?8.00 Angels of Death / Transdimensional Man RCA V. good pic cover ?5.00 Angels of Death / Transdimensional Man RCA V. Tatty pic cover ?2.00 Shot Down in the Night / Urban Guerilla Bronze pic cover ?4.00 Night of the Hawks/Green Finned Demon Flicknife 7" pic cover ?5.00 Moorcock: Dodgum Dude Flicknife Moorcock signed pic sleeve - mint ?20.00 Motorhead: Ace of Spades Bronze tatty pic sleeve ?2.00 Motorhead: Golden Years 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Shine Bronze excellent ?3.00 Motorhead: Beer Drinkers 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Headgirl (Motorhead/Girlschool): Please don't touch quite rough sleeve ?3.00 LP's: Space Ritual, Double UA gatefold sleeve, average ?7.00 Hall of the mountain grill UA pic inner sleeve, average ?9.00 Hall of the mountain grill EMI re-issue excellent ?4.00 Warrior on the edge of time UA Shield of Chaos cover, Moorcock signed ?25.00 Quark, strangeness and charm, Charisma tatty, pic inner ?5.00 25 Years On - Hawklords Charisma, re-issue good ?5.00 Levitation Black vinyl Bronze good ?5.00 Levitation Blue vinyl Bronze good ?17.00 Twice upon a time Flicknife good ?5.00 Zones Flicknife excellent ?5.00 Independant Days 10inch Flicknife excellent ?8.00 Anthology Vol 1 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 2 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 3 Samurai excellent ?5.00 The Hawkwind Collection, Double Castle excellent ?7.00 Chronicle of the Black Sword, pic inner Flicknife good ?7.00 Live Chronicles, Double GWR Excellent ?10.00 Independant Days Vol 2 Flicknife Mint ?9.00 It is the business of the future, Double Castle mint ` ?10.00 Calvert: Captain Lockheed US ATCO Single Cover ?10.00 Calvert: Hype A-Side Mint ?15.00 Calvert: Freq Flicknife Mint ?10.00 Calvert: Lucky Leif Beat Goes On Mint ?10.00 ICU: New Anatomy Demi Monde Excellent ?6.00 Motorhead: No Remorse Bronze (Mint Leather cover, pic inners) discs a bit scratched ?15.00 Motorhead: No Sleep 'til Hammersmith Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Iron Fist Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Bomber Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Overkill Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Another perfect Day Bronze Excellent ?5.00 Motorhead: On Parole UA Mint ?5.00 Motorhead: Motorhead Chiswick Mint ?5.00 CD's: Distant Horizons EBS ?9.00 Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone EBS Digipack ?9.00 Alien EBS Signed by Dave, Alan, Richard, Ron, ?60.00 Love In Space EP EBS PROMO "not for resale" ?25.00 Love In Space EP EBS ?6.00 Hall of the Mountain Grill EMI Original CD issue ?8.00 Do-Re-Me US Import ?10.00 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Castle ?9.00 Area S4 EP EBS ?5.00 The Best of Hawkwind Castle Compilation ?5.00 Quark Strangeness & Charm EP EBS ?7.00 Space Ritual Double CD in long box (US Import) ?17.00 Spacehead Of Space and Time EBS ?10.00 Pressurehead Sudden Vertigo Cleopatra ?10.00 Miscellaneous: Video: VHS PAL Night of the Hawks (with extra shows recorded from TV on the end and other goodies) ?18.00 Video: VHS PAL Chronicle of the Black Sword, Moorcock signed sleeve ?25.00 Video: VHS PAL Live Legends ?14.00 Cassette: Business Trip re-glued tape housing ?2.00 Cassette: Harvey Bainbridge: Interstellar Chaos ?4.00 Cassette: Alman Mulo Band: Afrodiziac ?4.00 Alien Tour Poster (ten) ?1.00 each BBC 1/4" Reel-reel tapes: 1972 Paris Theatre session 2 reels ?60.00 -- My personal Top 5 CD's of 1997 (in no particular order): Hawkwind "1999 Party" darXtar "HawXtaR" Adrian Shaw "Displaced Person" Bevis Frond "North Circular" Dark Sun "Feed Your Mind" -- Australian Hawkwind Tour - Coming in '98!!!! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 10 06:52:39 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:52:39 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND site Message-ID: Hi folks I've been told by Star_Rats that www.hawkwind.com will be again online in the next couple of days. The reason for beeing offline were problems with the server where the site is located Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 10 06:57:00 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:57:00 +0100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind stuff for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there At 21:55 10.01.98 +1000, you wrote: >Gidday boc-l, > >I jyust got this list in my in-box. I can't vouch personally for the Guy, but >he lists his # etc so it should be OK I know him. He is very reliable!!! Bernhard From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Jan 10 09:32:26 1998 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:32:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Torgo has left the building...... Message-ID: Hi kids, This is just a quick message to let all the friends I have here know that I am going to un-sub from BOC-L at this point. It's not something I really want to do, but the time has come to move on. I might be back eventually, it's hard to say. Some unfinished business (like my X-brothers review that is STILL in the works) will be coming along sooner or later, forwarded from someone else. And so... I'm outta here kids. Play nice, and keep an eye out for me at any future gigs. ;^) Torgo Torgo has left the building.... torgo at norwich.net Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 ************************************************************************ "And in the dark it all unwinds, I pray for change, the kiss of time, and in my thoughts I sit and dwell, the labyrinth there I know it well." -Savatage "Degrees of Sanity" ************************************************************************ From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sat Jan 10 09:46:07 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:46:07 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractice/Cellsum Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 1/10/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Where can I get a Cellsum catalog? I got one with my BoH CD, but haven't >received one since. Does Al have a mailing list? I'd like to order >Malpractice, if all the copies haven't been snatched up by the Hawkfans. > Pete (and everyone else): You'll find the Cellsum catalog listed at The Artist Shop with it's own page at on which you'll find cover graphics, soundbites, etc. We have the latest Malpractice and soon will be adding Joe Bouchard's The X-Brothers to the page, too. I get my stock directly from Albert! So, I hope you'll check it out. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 9 23:04:37 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:04:37 +0800 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: >And how could we forget The Carpenters' "Calling Occupants of >Interplanetary Craft"? (was this actually the title?) > This track was originally far-better recorded by Klaatu, who's 2nd album, Hope, is an excellent SF concept album. William From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 10 16:40:21 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:40:21 PST Subject: tBS,HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: >Okay, first off a Needle Gun (or sometimes "needler") is a staple >of certain sf genre... but in this particular case, it is referrnig >to a specific item, (which helped make a needle gun such a staple), >that being the weapon of Jerry Cornelius, one of the aspects, as it >were, of the Eternal Champion (Elric being another). In this analogy, >it would correspond directly with Stormbringer. > I definitely wouldn't disregard it as a phallic symbol (Stormbringer as well). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 10 23:18:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:18:28 +0000 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: If there were more bands like the Brain Surgeons--and more albums like _Malpractice_--the world would be a better and happier place. Formed in 1994 by Albert Bouchard (ex-Blue Oyster Cult) and Deb Frost (noted rock critic), Brain Surgeons debut album, _Eponymous_, was a mind-rippling sonic attack, featuring Mr. Bouchard's formidable instrumental and compositional talents, aided and abetted by a host of virtuoso associates, including former BOC-songwriter Richard Meltzer. But mistake the Brain Surgeons for the latter-day efforts of dried-up hasbeens at your *peril*. Nothing about this band is reduced, reused, or recycled. Raw, unbridled, and fiercely *intelligent* rock is the name of the Brain Surgeons' game. The principle suspects from the initial Brain Surgeons release quickly assembled an ace touring band and followed up with _Trepanation_ in 1995, and _Box of Hammers_ in 1996. _Malpractice_ (1997) is both an atypical Brain Surgeons release and, in some ways, an ideal introduction to the band. Technically, it is a compilation CD, bringing together a number of rare, "fan-club only" tracks and several previously unreleased specials. _Malpratice_ is unusual in that it features a large number of cover tunes, both of earlier Brain Surgeons originals, Blue Oyster Cult classics, and others--each with their own, special twist! That many of the tracks were previously cassette-only makes _Malpractice_ a worthy release in itself--and the flawless execution makes owning the whole package inutterbly worthwhile, whether one already has the analog versions or not! Things get off to a flying start with a cover of Hawkwind's "Needle Gun". This may seem a strange choice for a cover tune (and an album-starting one at that) until one understands that both Al Bouchard and his wife Deborah Frost have been subscribers to the combination Blue Oyster Cult/Hawkwind email list for a number of years--the association was bound to show in time. Fellow subscriber Robert "Rudy" Rudich suggested several Hawkwind cover tunes to the ex-BOC drummer Al, and, though Rudy sadly passed away last summer, his memory is immortalized here. Appropriately, "Needle Gun" is a mass of ripping, crunching guitars and, strangely or not, suits the Brain Surgeon's idiosyncratic style to a T. Quite frankly, the Brain Surgeons deserve tremendous kudos for not only taking the time to communicate with their fans, but to give them *exactly* what they want. Plenty of well-known rock stars would do well to take a lesson here. _Malpractice_ not only collects rare tracks in a convienient and quality digital format, but presents a variety of clever and hard-rocking songs. That's a rare combination to begin with, but if any band can deliver it, the Brain Surgeons can. And how. Unquestionably, one of the highlights of _Malpractice_ is "Ciuidades Y Navidades", which the alert will notice sounds suspiciously like the Blue Oyster Cult classic, "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll". Well ... it is. Except with Christmas-themed lyrics in Spanish. You have been warned! Needless to say: it rocks. Another thunderous Hawkwind cover follows: "Hassan I Sabha". This mock-Arabic-flavored rocker might almost have been written for the Brain Surgeons, given its acerbic wit and bombastic delivery. There's no letting down the side here. A cover of BOC's "Career of Evil" (co-written by the great Patti Smith) follows, distinguished by Deb Frost's eerie and disturbing vocals: "... I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road". This is followed by an "unplugged" tune, a cover of "Language of Love" from the Brain Surgeons' _Eponymous_ album. Then comes a special treat: an acoustic re-recording of "The Girl that Love Made Blind", an song which "got away" from the critically acclaimed _Imaginos_ album, credited to BOC, but largely created by the good Mr. Bouchard. And then the oft-requested, but seldom heard, BOC song, "Death Valley Nights". If you are very lucky, you'll catch the Surgeons live and see this performed (with Al on vocals and guitar, while Deb tackles the drums!). Still on the acoustic kick, the Brain Surgeons' own "Name Your Monster" (also from the _Eponymous_ album) follows. Perhaps in some ways my personal favorite on _Malpractice_ is the cover of "Baby Ice Dog". Originally on Blue Oyster Cult's _Tyranny and Mutation_ album, this song never made a big impression on me until I heard the Brain Surgeon's version. My *God*! This track reaches down, grabs both brain lobes, and devours them messily with a manical laugh. Deb's screaming vocals twine with sanity-shredding guitars and ... well, "They like to make it with my big, black dog!" Phooowaaar ... On the home stretch, we encounter a cover of fIREHOSE's _Tour Spiel_ (Mike Watt returned the favor by covering Al's BOC classic, "Dominance & Submission" on a special CDEP). Then an acoustic version of "I Am the One You Warned Me Of" from _Imaginos_. By the way, the original electric version is worth hunting down--severalr big rock names (think, for example, "J. Hetfield") picked _Imaginos_ as a top album in '88. You can take it from there. The trip closes with a fragile, intense, rendition of BOC's "Astronomy", a song which has passed through several variations in its history, and just gets better, and better, and better. If you're not ready to buy this disc, I can only conclude you've been injecting novocaine into your cerebellum for the past few years ... _Malpractice_ is an album which shows a band doing something which too may musicians seem to have forgotten about: having fun. And doing it with *style*. And delivering the goods to their fans. There's something for everyone--serious and silly, soft and hard, sublime and ... and grievously screwed up ... But why take my word for it? Beg, borrow, steal this disc--and then buy your own. And then break down an realize you need another apppointment with the Brain Surgeons. WWW: http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ (news, reviews, gigs, and CDs!) Cheers, Carl ObAceBouchard: "Happy New Year!- -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sun Jan 11 00:28:09 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:28:09 -0800 Subject: Guy Thomas Message-ID: I can vouch for him, I have bought a lot of items from him and he has always delivered. John >Gidday boc-l, >I jyust got this list in my in-box. I can't vouch personally for the Guy, but >he lists his # etc so it should be OK >Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:06:05 +0000 From: DefaultUser To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind stuff for sale Howdy Sonique! I thought that I might E-mail you my list of surplus HW material that I have for sale, iff you could post it on you list. I have taken the bold step of gettiong rid of the bulk of my vinyl as my record deck is a bit knackered, as well as a few other oddsd and ends. Originally, my list was six pages long, but not much left now! Somebody out there mioght want something. anyhow, best regards for 1998 Guy Thomas guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk or g.j.h.thomas at btinternet.com or 44-171-925-4226(daytime UK 09.30-17.30) From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Sun Jan 11 10:19:53 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:19:53 -0500 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: Reply to message from cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK of Sat, 10 Jan > > If there were more bands like the Brain Surgeons--and more albums >like _Malpractice_--the world would be a better and happier place. > OK, I'm sold. Very good review. Now, someone send me info on where I can get this cd either in a local record store, I'm in Cleveland, Oh., or else via mail order, possibly from Al and Deb themselves? Thanks, Duane From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jan 11 10:41:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:41:28 +0000 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: On s?n 11 jan 1998 10.19 -0500 "Duane Hoyt" wrote: > Now, someone send me info on where I can get this cd either in a local > record store, I'm in Cleveland, Oh., or else via mail order, possibly from > Al and Deb themselves? No problem! Go to http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/bsmerch.html There you will find information on ordering tBS stuff, including _Malpractice_ direct from Cellsum Records (i.e. Al & Deb!). It's 14 bucks, including p&p (in the US). Also, you can get all 4 tBS CDs for $35. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jan 11 10:45:33 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:45:33 -0500 Subject: HW-ish synth track on VARIOUS ARTISTS / TRUTH OR DARE Message-ID: Allan, The disk is titled TRUTH OR DARE and it is CUE 1129 on the CUE (now GROOVE) label. Disk costs about US$16.95 from Windspell, a mail-order service run by Michael Garrison, the US synthesist, which specializes in (surprise!) electronic music. Artists on this disk are Kees Aerts, Air Sculpture, Ian Boddy, James J. Clent, John Dyson, Jean Paul van Engelen, Norman Fay, Harald Van Der Heijden, Detlef Keller, Robert Marselie, Johannes Munz, Ron Boots, Mario Schonwalder, Syndromeda and Rene de Vrena. All of these folks are fairly unknown outside of the European synth circle, but don't be put off by the lack of the "big lights" names; these guys kick ass. None of the tracks are solo efforts, they are all duos, except for a track by four artists and two with and artist and a band. The other two disks are THE TRUTH IS TWISTED (CUE 1124) and OUT THERE LIES THE TRUTH (CUE 1117). There is a Web page listed, which I haven't checked out yet, as I have the older CUE/GROOVE one bookmarked, but you can check out www.cue-records.de if you want. This ain't happy music, although the third CD is touted as being more up-beat (still sounds pretty dark and ominous to me!!) Vocal snippets from the TV show (I guess, I watch damn-near zero TV, except for Dexters' Lab with the kids) crop up from time to time, and help to enhance the music. Most of the tracks are in excess of 6-7 minutes and range from energetic (The Fugitive, by Boots and Dyson) to tribal-rhythmic (The Borders of Believe, by Marselie and van Engelen) to dark atmospheric (Crossing The Road, by Aerts & Air Sculpture). If you like what you read here, check these CD's out, I don't think you will be disappointed! (CUE also has another V.A. CD series called THE MARS PROJECT, which is in commemoration of the 1976 Viking landings on Mars. Solo efforts on those two CD's, but they turned me on to some great European artists and reacquainted me with some older favorites. Another high recommendation, available from the same source). NP: Erik Norlander / Threshold (the Keith Emerson of the '90's! Acres of vintage synths and a '70's sound brought into the '90's. Trio format, like ELP, but no vocals. Prog lives!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Allan T Grohe Jr To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:18 AM Subject: Re: HW-ish synth track on VARIOUS ARTISTS / TRUTH OR DARE From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jan 11 11:30:42 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music Message-ID: Be-Bop Deluxe has been having an extended stay on the car stereo as of late. I really wish that Nelson would have a BBD reunion, as I would really like to hear him in that setting again and how the band members have evolved (especially Andy Clarke, the keyboardist. I know he played on the Loz Netto solo LP, but whatever happened to him after that? Charlie Tumahami, bass, was on the one and only Dukes LP, but after that? And what of Simon Fox, who appears to have faded without a trace?). I was fortunate enough to find a ton of Nelsons' solo CD's in the used bins many years ago, after Enigma folded, but I am still searching for a copy of THE LOVE THAT WHIRLS on CD; anyone got a copy for sale? Heard his return to the "guitar-hero" form, PRACTICALLY WIRED? Quite nice... "Art-Empire-Industry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: dahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 2:01 AM Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music >>>>anyone ever into Bill Nelson's Red Noise? "Build a Better Home In The >Phantom Zone" or "Substitute Flesh" > >I love Bill Nelson. He is one of my favorite guitar guys. The first time >I ever saw him was when Be Bop Deluxe warmed up for BOC (right after Angel >played) at the LA Forum. These guys walked on stage, and in the era of the >big production opening, Bill comes up to the mike and says "Will you excuse >us while we tune". They were all wearing 3 piece suits and I'm thinking >"This would be a good time to go to the can". Then they started playing >and really tore the place up. I went out and bought all their albums. > >I was also fortunate to see him with the Red Noise outfit at the Whiskey in >Hollywood. Great fun. I wish he would get out and play more. > >Brad Dahl > >"This basement thing is really blowing my buzz" Lawrence in Limbo >http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html > From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Jan 11 11:48:52 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:48:52 +0000 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. Message-ID: Dear HW experts, and comix fans I have recently bought a collection of Bryan Talbot's early comic strips (entitled The eX-directory, the secret files of Bryan Talbot!, published by Knockabout Comics, for those of you who care). He started off doing underground comics before getting on to Luther Arkwright (inspiration for such fantastic musical oddities as 'The Luther Arkwright Experience') and other more mainstream stuff. However his 1st commercial strip was published in 1976 and is called Hassan-i-Sabbah. The strip 1st appeared in Seed, then in Homegrown. As the HW track was recorded in Feb 77 it is possible that Bob read about it in this strip, bearing in mind the company he used to keep in those days. Can anyone enlighten me to the first appearance of the HW song or lyrics? I know it is unlikely, but I am keen to find any firm links between HW and Bryan, other than his studio being called Brainstorm studios, and publishing in Brainstorm comix. Thanks Mike w P.S. Of course there is the link that Mike Moorcock did two introductions to The Luther Arkwright books, one a stream of names that didn't seem very useful, and a better piece that is laced with Mike's politics that has just been published in the 'Tales from the Texas Woods' collection). From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 10 23:57:05 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:57:05 +0800 Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music Message-ID: >(especially Andy Clarke, the keyboardist. I know he played on the Loz Netto >solo LP, but whatever happened to him after that? Charlie Tumahami, bass, >was on the one and only Dukes LP, but after that? > Sadly, Charlie Tumahai is no longer with us. Ian Parkin has also passed away (both in 1995). William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jan 11 12:43:44 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:43:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music Message-ID: William, I am quite surprised to hear about Charlie; what did he die from? And who was Ian Parkin and his relationship to BBD/Nelson? Thanks for the info... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:09 PM Subject: Re: OFF: I want Furniture Music >>(especially Andy Clarke, the keyboardist. I know he played on the Loz Netto >>solo LP, but whatever happened to him after that? Charlie Tumahami, bass, >>was on the one and only Dukes LP, but after that? >> >Sadly, Charlie Tumahai is no longer with us. Ian Parkin has also passed away >(both in 1995). > >William > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 11 01:35:27 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:35:27 +0800 Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music Message-ID: >I am quite surprised to hear about Charlie; what did he die from? And who >was Ian Parkin and his relationship to BBD/Nelson? Thanks for the info... I believe Charlie died of cancer. I'm not exactly sure, though. Ian Parkin was in the band prior to the release of the 2nd album. He also played guitar. There is an excellent Bill Nelson web site which I cannot remember the link for. When I find it, I'll post it on the newsgroup. William From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jan 11 14:36:53 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:36:53 +0100 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 16:48 11.01.98 +0000, you wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me to the first appearance of the HW song or >lyrics? HASSAN I SABBAH was for the 1st time performed live from HAWKWIND in September 1976 Bernhard From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jan 11 14:24:12 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:24:12 -0000 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. Message-ID: Hassan I Sahba is a translation from the Persian/Arabic(?) of 'Old Man of the Mountains', which was the title of the leader of the Assassins (Hasishim), an offshoot Muslim sect. I think they got there before Bryan since the Assassins were formed sometime before 1000AD :-) Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: M S Wright To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 11 January 1998 16:49 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. >Dear HW experts, and comix fans > >I have recently bought a collection of Bryan Talbot's early comic strips >(entitled The eX-directory, the secret files of Bryan Talbot!, published >by Knockabout Comics, for those of you who care). He started off doing >underground comics before getting on to Luther Arkwright (inspiration for >such fantastic musical oddities as 'The Luther Arkwright Experience') and >other more mainstream stuff. However his 1st commercial strip was >published in 1976 and is called Hassan-i-Sabbah. The strip 1st appeared in >Seed, then in Homegrown. As the HW track was recorded in Feb 77 it is >possible that Bob read about it in this strip, bearing in mind the company >he used to keep in those days. Can anyone enlighten me to the first >appearance of the HW song or lyrics? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jan 11 18:17:23 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:17:23 GMT Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:48:52 +0000 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > Dear HW experts, and comix fans > > other more mainstream stuff. However his 1st commercial strip was > published in 1976 and is called Hassan-i-Sabbah. The strip 1st appeared in > Seed, then in Homegrown. As the HW track was recorded in Feb 77 it is > possible that Bob read about it in this strip, bearing in mind the company > he used to keep in those days. Can anyone enlighten me to the first > appearance of the HW song or lyrics? I know it is unlikely, but I am keen According to the info in Dave Watson's book the song was written by *both* Paul Rudolph and Bob Calvert (no indication of who did which bit tho') and was a last minute addition to their set during rehearsals just before the tour which started on 15 Sept 1976 at Sheffield. The timing is a bit tight but if the character in the comic strip was particularly flamboyant then the imagery would certainly appeal if they were looking for stage performance ideas. It does sound like there ought to be a link of some kind! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon Jan 12 01:28:27 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:28:27 -0800 Subject: HW: Jill! Message-ID: Sorry to post this publicly, but my private notes seem to arrive at Jill's private address either garbled or not at all... Jill, I have those two Griffin Warriors you asked for. Do you still want them? Thanks, Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon Jan 12 01:40:21 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:40:21 -0800 Subject: Jill! Message-ID: > Sorry to post this publicly, but my private notes seem to arrive at Jill's private address either garbled or not at all... > > Jill, I have those two Griffin Warriors you asked for. Do you still want them? > > Thanks, Charlie Responding to myself... I just unwrapped and played both CDs...one is HW, one is Pendragon. Charlie From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 04:10:30 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:10:30 +0000 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. In-Reply-To: <01bd1ec6$7f217960$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: In article <01bd1ec6$7f217960$LocalHost at default>, Kevin Perry writes >Hassan I Sahba is a translation from the Persian/Arabic(?) of 'Old Man of >the Mountains' No, it isn't. The old murderer is refered to as the Old Man Of The Mountains, but it's not a translation of his name. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 04:06:15 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:06:15 +0000 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , M S Wright writes > I know it is unlikely, but I am keen >to find any firm links between HW and Bryan, other than his studio being >called Brainstorm studios, and publishing in Brainstorm comix. Bryan mentions them by name in Brainstorm #6 subtitled Astounding Rock 'n ' Roll stories. It's your typical alien-invasion-force-disguised-as- rock-band-releasing-albums-with-contact-hallucinogens kinda story. I can't remember the exact quote ( I've a copy at home thou') but it's something like "their synth set-up was so huge it would have made Hawkwind shit their pants". Of course, you won't find back issues of Brainstorm anywhere, ever. Bugger, coz I'm still missing two, including the Frap issue. I have the Spong though :) -- Jon Browne ObCD Spacemen 3 - Playing With Fire From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jan 12 05:07:26 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:07:26 +0000 Subject: Off Starship, I missed one... Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown did not get enough screen time > > the body count was high. > > >Clancy "Kurgan" Brown's in it?! Top stuff - why did no-one mention > this > before? Don't suppose he gets to play a good guy this time..? > > Clancy "Krugan" Brown (marvelous underatted talent) was the drill > instructor who took the Troopers through boot camp. Unyeilding and > forceful. His was a small role but IMHO the best acting job in the > whole movie. It is also "Krugan" who becomes the hero at the end of > the > movie as he is the one who actually captures the brain eating bug. > Mike > Ironside was a teacher and later a Lt.. Typical good performance for > him too. Everyone else might as well have been manequins. > > lil' ab Saw it Friday night - must agree with most of the comments made on the list. Top effects, but not knocking / being ironic about the dangerously fascist society portrayed enough. (I've never read the book, so can't comment on that.) Good Friday night entertainment though before a curry down the Stratford Tandoori. And indeed - Clancy Brown gets to play a good guy! Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Half Man Half Biscuit - Eno Collaboration EP. From jdacombe at CSC.COM Mon Jan 12 03:52:47 1998 From: jdacombe at CSC.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:52:47 +0000 Subject: HW MM books Message-ID: Dear all, I'm having a bit of a clearout at the moment and have uncovered about 50 Moorcock paperbacks from the days when I used to collect them. They span many publishers & hence have varying artwork. Is there a market for these? I've no idea if they have any value or not. Does anyone have a UK address (postal or e-mail) for the Moorcock App Soc (Nomads?). Cheers, Jez From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 12 06:13:24 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:13:24 -0000 Subject: Off Starship, I missed one... Message-ID: I totally don't want to resurrect this thread, but Rich raised one point... > Saw it Friday night - must agree with most of the comments made on the > list. Top effects, but not knocking / being ironic about the > dangerously fascist society portrayed enough. (I've never read the > book, so can't comment on that.) Even though I admired the movie, I just want to clarify that it in no way means I approve of the politics depicted (and certainly not those in the book!). I will just say that I think one of the film's strengths is that it doesn't take an explicit stand, but rather, Verhoeven credits the viewers with enough intelligence to work it out for themselves. I'll shut up now, and steer clear of discussing films on the list, I think! Although I have written about it on my website if anyone gives a toss. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 07:33:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:33:57 GMT Subject: Rock Out Censorship Message-ID: This just came down the libernet pipe: PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release: January 4, 1998 ROCK OUT CENSORSHIP (R.O.C.) P.O. Box 147 - Jewett, OH 43986-0147 Phone: 740-946-2011 - FAX: 740-946-2011 Email: roc at theroc.org - Website: http://www.theroc.org ROCK OUT CENSORSHIP DEBUTS OFFICIAL WEBSITE Internet allows R.O.C. to mobilize massive active resistance to stem the tide of censorship Since 1989, Rock Out Censorship has been in the forefront of the fight against music censorship. Now, at the beginning of 1998, the Ohio-based grassroots organization plans to take that fight to a higher level with the launching of the "Official Rock Out Censorship Website" on the World Wide Web. "Since we started our motto has always been 'Agitate - Educate - Organize' and we intend to take that message to the millions of music fans on the net," said R.O.C. co-founder John Woods. R.O.C. webmaster Kenny Moore adds, "It is our goal to mobilize the entire internet music community into an active political force that cannot be ignored with the ambition of putting an end to government censorship and to raise our voices loudly against corporate censorship." The site URL is http://www.theroc.org and within it you can find the latest news from the anti-censorship front. Articles from R.O.C.'s twenty issues of THE ROC magazine are posted, and a new online version of the magazine will soon be in the works. Anti-censorship petitions can be signed online or downloaded. You will also find an Incident Updates section to keep you posted on the latest activities of the censors. Also on the site you will be invited to Join the R.O.C. Army by subscribing to our majordomo mailing list. It is through this list that we intend to revolutionize the art of activist protest through massive online communication. Just so you can keep track of who is friend or foe, the site contains a Know Your Friends and a Know Your Enemies section. There is also a section where people can Report Incidents of censorship in their area. It is our intention to publicize and act upon all incidents reported to our site and we will be forwarding all valid incidents we receive throughout the entire anti-censorship network. An extensive Music Linkbase is added for your entertainment and musical information. The Music Linkbase contains over 18,000 links to band sites, record labels, radio stations, magazines, news groups and other music related sites and is definitely among the most comprehensive music resources available on the Internet. All this and much more will soon make the Official Rock Out Censorship site among the most popular on the internet. For more information contact John Woods at (740) 946-2011 or Kenny Moore at (407) 855-4529. To learn more about the history of Rock Out Censorship, visit the ABOUT ROC section of our website at: http://www.theroc.org/aboutroc/roc10.htm. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 07:56:42 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:56:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: <01BD1D21.A732EA20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I don't think "As Time Goes By" was written specially > for _Casablanca_... FWIW, the latest issue of Empire magazine mentions that the soundtrack from this classic movie has just been released for the first time, having been lost in the vaults for years. It includes snatches of conversation too. Five star review for this. Sounds cool - I'm gonna get a copy! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 12 06:59:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:59:07 EDT Subject: OFF: I want Furniture Music In-Reply-To: <01bd1eae$42b76560$0d82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: > From: Craig Shipley > Be-Bop Deluxe has been having an extended stay on the car stereo as of late. > I really wish that Nelson would have a BBD reunion, as I would really like > to hear him in that setting again and how the band members have evolved > (especially Andy Clarke, the keyboardist. I know he played on the Loz Netto > solo LP, but whatever happened to him after that? Charlie Tumahami, bass, >> -----Original Message----- > From: dahl > >I love Bill Nelson. He is one of my favorite guitar guys. The first time > >I ever saw him was when Be Bop Deluxe warmed up for BOC (right after Angel > >played) at the LA Forum. These guys walked on stage, and in the era of the I also saw BBD open for BOC here in upstate NY. Musta been the same tour? Great band, BBD. I got a couple of their lps from that period: Modern Music and Live in the Air Age... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:18:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:18:34 -0500 Subject: tBS Live Material Message-ID: > Would have been great if tBS had a copy of that from Rudy's rig, that would be an awesome live cd. Yeah, well I know that someone has a tape of it, but don't know for sure if it's from Rudy's rig. I've been hoping to hear a copy of that show sometime myself (I know Deb - show up at the gigs) as I know a few folks may have it. If Rudy got it completed, he probably sent the first copy off to Al, so who knows? If not, tBS will just have to deliver a few more great live sets for a live CD - shouldn't be too tough, from the reviews of them I've seen lately. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:25:17 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:25:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: > OBsong> "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" Fierce Wicker Huh? Is this another BOC cover? If so, could you provide me some info so I can add this to the FAQ? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:28:03 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:03 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractice/Cellsum Message-ID: Hmm... you should be on the mailing list if you ordered BoH - perhaps you got dropped by mistake? Well, you can send a check to Cellsum for $14 ($11 + $3 s/h) to the address listed on BoH for a copy of Malpractise. Or, stop by my tBS website (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop) for an online view of the latest Cellsum catalog, among other cool things. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:33:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:33:47 -0500 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: Great review Carl - as always, I agree with you! ;-) Now that I've kissed your ass, can I use your review on my tBS website? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:44:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:44:04 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Big Gig in NYC! Message-ID: Both tBS and the X Brothers are scheduled to perform in NYC on Feb. 6th. I don't have the details immediately available, but maybe someone else can post them. John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 09:01:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:01:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: BREVARD, Adrian R.'s mail of Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:59 -0600 Message-ID: On 09 Jan 14:59, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully > >translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. I can think of several. Trainspotting is an obvious one. L.A. Confidential has had excellent reviews, as has Tarantino's new one (Jackie Brown). The Remains Of The Day was excellent, as was Orlando. The English Patient was also pretty good (notwithstanding Andy's criticisms of the plot). How about Of Mice And Men? If you consider costume dramas, there are lots of good books that have been made into good (but not great) films -- e.g. A Room With A View, Howards End, The Age Of Innocence, Heat And Dust, Maurice. I saw Regeneration last night, and it was pretty good, although like a lot of these costume dramas, it lacked bite. The Wings Of A Dove has had good reviews, but I haven't seen it yet. Thrillers are another genre where several successful films have come from books. I haven't seen many of these, but examples like The Fugitive come to mind. SF though, doesn't do so well. Why is this? Blade Runner was excellent, but only shared some of the background with Dick's novel. Total Recall also threw away most of Dick's ideas to make a passable film. I'm hard pressed to think of any other examples of SF movies from books. (I'm deliberately discounting 2001: A Space Oddysey, because the book and the film were developed in tandem). Dune, of course, was crap, as was Damnation Alley (dragging the message back to vaguely on-topic at last). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 12 09:11:36 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:11:36 -0600 Subject: OFF:Sci Fi Music Message-ID: >Slipping into my Alan Partridge mode, I recall that Wings had a song called "Magneto and Titanium Man", apparently based on some SF comic book. Magneto, mutant master of magnetism and the X-men's dealliest foe/greatest ally. Titanium Man Soviet ripoff of Iron Man. Don't think its SF more superhero/villian related. T-man>I generally can't stand King movies, the only one worth a salt was The Dead Zone, and like first ten minutes of "The Stand", for purely biased reasons ... (there, see, I brought this back marginally on-topic.... I'd throw Carrie into this mix. >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., not written for the movie) song in a movie? Not really but stretching this a bit further I would have used Galactic Cowboy's "Fear Not" in STNG movie First Contact. Would have sounded great on the trip to reach Warp Speed. lil' ab OBCD - The Best of King's X From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Jan 12 09:22:23 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:22:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Love In Space CD single wanted! Message-ID: Hello HawkFrendz, I've tried to get get my hands on a copy of the Love In Space CD single, that was released this fall, for quite some time now. Can anybody out there help me get a hold of one? I would greatly appreciate it! Ola Stockholm Sweden Europe Earth Hawkverse From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jan 12 10:00:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: >> OBsong> "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" Fierce Wicker >Huh? Is this another BOC cover? If so, could you provide me some info >so I can add this to the FAQ? >John Yes and no. A few years back, three "bands" composed of BOC-L folks recorded some covers for a tape that all the bands got a copy of. Fierce Wicker was my band, along with Jason Scruton ex. of this list. Another band, "Lack of Talent" covered Joan Crawford, and "Horus" covered Master of the Universe, Camera..., and Quark Strangeness and Charm. It was a fun project that I think gave us a greater appreciation of the talent that went into creating these songs in the first place. If we have enough musicians (and not even necessarily great ones either) on the list who would be interested in trying this, it's really a lot of fun. I know I've been dying to cover Name Your Monster for some time now... Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2537 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 12 09:26:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:26:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's Message-ID: >Awhile back there was a mention of somebody's web site offering custom bootleg CD's, and recently I somebody mentioned something similar. I was wondering, what do the people on this list feel about that? You may want to be careful, you have no idea who is on this list or lurks here. I would caution you to be careful with this idea. Obviously you are not into this to make money but folks like Sony may not give a care and hassle you for this anyway. >The reason I'm asking is that I recently got a CD-R, and have been making a few mixed CD's for myself, and was thinking about doing a custom Imaginos (possibly multiple CD's, using other 'appropriate' music from other BOC albums). Have you got a setlist in mind, I'd love to hear which other songs you would choose to include. >What interest have you regarding this? I'd possibly be interested but not at the expense of getting you into any legal trouble. If you could do this with no legal hassles and with peoples blessings then sure. Final Comment: C'ya Torgo. Gonna miss you in these hallow halls but I know you will be true to your word and pass on reviews of tBS, X -Bros and other relevant pieces. PEACE! L8er lil'ab OBCD - The Best of King's X "Time to leave the craft With all my strength I open up the hatch Parts unknown Between the twilight and danger zones" - Galactic Cowboys, Fear Not From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:06:03 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:06:03 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Big Gig in NYC! Message-ID: Wait, I found the details that Deb posted: >From Deb Frost on AOL: Subject: XBrothers and tBS Together- One Night Only! From: thenudeb at aol.com (TheNuDeb) Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:18:04 EST Just to give those of you who may have to make travel plans plenty of advance notice...to celebrate the release of their new Cellsum records, Malpractise and Solid Citizens, Joe Bouchard and the X Brothers and The Brain Surgeons will perform together in NYC on Saturday, February 7. Some of your other favorite Cellsum artists will also make appearances. Keep watching this space for details. From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Mon Jan 12 10:47:47 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:47:47 -0500 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 1/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >Reply to message from cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK of Sat, 10 Jan >> >> If there were more bands like the Brain Surgeons--and more albums >>like _Malpractice_--the world would be a better and happier place. >> > >OK, I'm sold. Very good review. >Now, someone send me info on where I can get this cd either in a local >record store, I'm in Cleveland, Oh., or else via mail order, possibly from >Al and Deb themselves? > >Thanks, > >Duane Hi, Duane: I guess you could consider The Artist Shop as being sort of local mail order as I'm in Cuyahoga Falls myself ;-) And I get my stock directly from Al and Deb! Check out my Cellsum page at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 12 09:58:35 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:58:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76012E2B@BPXSV> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > Yes and no. A few years back, three "bands" > composed of BOC-L folks recorded some > covers for a tape that all the bands got a copy of. > Fierce Wicker was my band, along with Jason > Scruton ex. of this list. > > > If we have enough musicians (and not even necessarily > great ones either) on the list who would be interested in > trying this, it's really a lot of fun. I know I've been dying > to cover Name Your Monster for some time now... > > Brian Do you have access to a studio? I might be interested in a project like that if you haven't already got a gtr plyr in mind... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 11:13:42 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:13:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980109183936.008f1a1c@ionet.net> Message-ID: > >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., > >not written for the movie) song in a movie? Here's an obvious choice: From Reservoir Dogs - "Stuck in the middle with you" by Stealers Wheel. It's great the way the movie puts a whole different slant on the lyrics. I also thought it was cool the way they used Hendrix's "Voodoo Chile" in Withnail & I. The faint opening chug-a-chug of the guitar as Paul McGann begins to wake up, and then KERRANGGG!!!! as he realises he's slewing all over the road in a car driven by a drunken lunatic.... Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 11:26:35 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:26:35 GMT Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:33 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Strangers In Paradise is an excellant soap title which brings women into > comic shops (a novelty). Many of our regulars have finally turned wives > and girlfriends onto comics with this title. Not that it's aimed at > women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for a change. SEXES! For Christ's sake humans have sex, not "gender". Why be politically correct when you can be right? [(C) Geoff Miller] FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:31:16 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:31:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Oh, o.k. - apparently I wasn't paying attention a few years back when these covers were discussed. >I know I've been dying to cover Name Your Monster for some time now... If you need a bass player for this track, let me know - one of my favorite tBS tunes to jam to... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:40:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:40:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's Message-ID: I have lots of thoughts on bootlegs, but I'll just post a few now. In terms of people putting live recordings on CD that aren't available commercially, I like the idea - the quality is at times questionable, but for artists that I like and collect everything they put out, it can be nice to have other stuff available on them - usually the casual fan probably wouldn't be as interested, but for the die-hard, they fill a need. As for making copies of released material (ie. recording Imaginos from the BOC CD), unless its strictly an archive copy for the person recording it, I have a problem. And, that's not bootlegging, that's pirating, and is really stealing from the artist. If someone is planning on recording from released material and distributing it (regardless of what they might be charging people - even if they are giving them away), that is illegal, and takes money out of the artist's pocket, and I don't support it. If they are taking otherwise unavailable material and putting it out, well, that is as far as I know also illegal (at least in the U.S.), although I don't really see that as the same thing. But, others might differ with me on that. John From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Jan 12 11:50:37 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Jan 12, 98 04:13:42 pm Message-ID: > >> >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >> >not written for the movie) song in a movie? I'd vote for Inna Gadda Davida in Manhunter. Deeply creepy use of loud rock and roll. JB From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jan 12 12:28:05 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Theo said: >> If we have enough musicians (and not even necessarily >> great ones either) on the list who would be interested in >> trying this, it's really a lot of fun. I know I've been dying >> to cover Name Your Monster for some time now... >> >> Brian >Do you have access to a studio? I might be interested in a project >like that if you haven't already got a gtr plyr in mind... I wish. Fierce Wicker's version of Heavy Metal was recorded with a boom box, a keyboard, one guitar, and a Macintosh. Not even a 4-track recorder. This was just some people getting together and having fun. Nothing too professional sounding. Unfortunately, I won't have time to even work up a simple, 1 take, boom box recorded cover for awhile. I haven't even touched my bass or keys in months! If anyone else feels like trying what we did a few years ago, and distribute the tapes between the bands, I highly recommend it. I had a great time recording a cover and hearing the unique twists on our favorite songs that other BOC-Lers came up with. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2653 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jan 12 12:30:01 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:30:01 -0000 Subject: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. Message-ID: Fair enough - my Persian's not too hot at the moment... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 12 January 1998 09:12 Subject: Re: HW:Origins of Assassins of Allah. >In article <01bd1ec6$7f217960$LocalHost at default>, Kevin Perry > writes >>Hassan I Sahba is a translation from the Persian/Arabic(?) of 'Old Man of >>the Mountains' > >No, it isn't. The old murderer is refered to as the Old Man Of The >Mountains, but it's not a translation of his name. >-- >Jon > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 12:33:16 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:33:16 GMT Subject: Starship Bloopers (small spoilerettes) In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:05:46 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! > No, I thought it was superb. I know Verhoeven brings out strong > feelings both for and against, but I think he is a much more > intelligent film-maker than he is often accused of being. His > penchant for graphic violence does bring accusations of voyeurism - > even I didn't see _Showgirls_, and I'm generally a big fan of his - > but if you're making a film where one of the themes is the horror of > war, then I think you have to show some of the horror. Verhoeven > himself isn't, I think, necessarily militaristic himself Well hey, neither am I. However, even armchair generals can spot gaping flaws in a plotline. The troopers have guns with which it takes five troopers 20 seconds to kill one bug. Why not flamethrowers? Why not grenade launchers? If infantry are so useless for frontal attack why not use tanks first and infantry for clearup? Where was the air support? If the spacecraft have warp capability then why have dropships remain in hostile orbit after drop so that they can be picked off? Why were they so close together they hit each other? Space is a pretty big place, even in orbit. Why when they'd done this once did they repeat the fiasco? Why fight at close range when the Bigs don't? Just lob asteroids in from way out. The Bugs didn't have spacefaring capability to stop this. The film was puerile, stupid, and had already been done in Space: Above and Beyond. > -Andy Mike "It's afraid? We lose a million men for you to state the obvious?" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 12:40:45 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:40:45 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:01:19 +0000 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > Mike Moorcock, the main link between BOC & HW, wrote a critique of > Sci-Fi/Fantasy called "Starship Troopers". As I recall, Heinlein and > various others were picked out for their right-wing authoritarian > tendencies. This essay can be found in The Opium General. OTOH Heinlein wrote The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress which is if anything about libertarian subversion of authoritarian government. Also, a book with a subversive AI called Mike Holmes is pretty hard to fault. > > and the fact that no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it > > was a disappointment. "Nuclear Bomb: Pull pin and run away very very fast. Harmful if swallowed." Of course I'd forgive Starship Bloopers if someone nnow made a film of Joe Haldeman's rebuttal story: The Forever War. If even Heinlein agreed they should be read as a pair then surely they should be seen as a pair? Might I suggest Coppola? > Dave FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 12:49:45 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:49:45 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: J. Michael Looney's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:02 -0600 Message-ID: J. Michael Looney writes: > British people, in general, not just Moorcock, have little problem with > American politics, just as Americans have a LOT of trouble with the whole > British system of government. I assume you meant "have a little trouble"? That's generally true in my experience and is most obvious in the inability of Brits to see why guns are regarded as a right in the US. Personally I'm an admirer of the US Constitution in general and Jeffersonian politics in particular, though of course I wouldn't want to own slaves. Or at least not in a coercive way. > Heinlein was not authoritarian, he was ,if you must use a single word > poltical lable, a Libertarian. Perhaps later. He definitely tended towards the right in his earlier days and perhaps the militaristic bent is part of that. He seems pretty similar to Pournelle except perhaps without the "Let them eat cake" attitude. Still, I'm Libertarian enough to let Heinlein call himself one if he wants to ;-) > >> and the fact that > >> no-one got blown up by their own nuclear bombs it was a disappointment. > > > >Ha ha, how true :) > This was an issue that R.A.H did in fact cover in the book. Things about > not shooting to close to your self and how the armor of the troopers was > designed to stop short term effects. Missing out the power-suits took away a lot of the interest IMHO. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 12:50:58 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:50:58 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: J. Michael Looney's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:00 -0600 Message-ID: J. Michael Looney writes: > > > Any body that claims to say any thing about what the makers of the movie > were trying to say, who has not read Heinlein's book "Starship Troopers" > (from which the movie was based on, baddly I might add) is, to be blunt, > missing the whole point, and is most likly wrong about one or more points. > > 1) The politics, at least in the book IS the point of the book. > 2) The Makers of the movie didn't like Heinlein's views, so they made it, > well, almost evil. If you have not read the book, you WILL get the wrong > idea about the concepts the R.A.H was trying to get across. So if they wanted to make a rebuttal of Heinlein's book, surely the obvious film to make would have been The Forever War? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 12:56:21 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:56:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > it's not just British people.... I mean, heck, Haldeman's 'The Forever > War' was almost a direct counterpoint to 'Starship Troopers' (though > I doubt they'll ever make a movie of it... If it is made, I'll bet it's made by Brits or Canadians, and it's probably not weird enough for the Canadians. There's no way that Hollywood would risk a movie in which Guy meets Girl: Guy gets Girl: Guy goes to war: Guy comes back to a world populated by homosexuals and girl has been dead for centuries. Independence Day it isn't. > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:02:21 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:02:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Christmas in Britain... In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: > > Okay, so what ARE the most noticeable differences between American and British > > Christmas? This year? Snow. I've just been over to Switzerland and France to ski. Temperatures are way higher than normal over most of Europe and there's precious little snow. ObRelevant: In a restaurant in Switzerland I heard the spanish guitar piece from the start of Dust of Time. I was most disappointed when there was no aircraft noise. Obviously this was the ballad or whatever that Huw played on Levitation. Anyone know what it's called? FoFP > Paul. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:05:30 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:05:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:47:23 +0000 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > As an anarchist, Moorcock is basically opposed to the state and its > machinery. But I don't think he's a pacifist; hence his references to the > Nestor Makhno's anarchist army in the Russian civil war. >From comments I've heard him make, I suspect he tends towards some form of left wing anarchism. I heard he'd also been doing some pro-censorship pieces which would be kinda disturbing. > Dave FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:08:50 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:08:50 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Jean Lansford's message of Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:04:53 GMT Message-ID: Jean Lansford writes: > >4) And don't even think about the politics of the movie, it's typical 90's > >hollywood, in that it is trapped in 1968, in that the military must be evil, > >and a government based on voluntary service before you can vote must be Nazi > >like or something. > The strongest Nazi flavor I got was from the uniforms, which Hollywood > uses a lot in SF-type movies for both the good guys and the villians. > I suspect they simply think the Nazi unis look cool. As P.J.O'Rourke said: nobody ever fantasised about being tied up and ravished by someone dressed as a liberal. > Jean Lansford FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:12:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:12:57 GMT Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:02:31 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness > how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean > Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? Didn't Abba do one called "Starship Trooper"? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:01:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:01:55 +0000 Subject: Review: The BRAIN SURGEONS, _Malpractice_ Message-ID: On m?n 12 jan 1998 08.33 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Great review Carl - as always, I agree with you! ;-) > Now that I've kissed your ass, can I use your review on my tBS website? Sure thing--flattery gets you everywhere :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:19:21 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:19:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <199801121756.RAA11473@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, M Holmes wrote: > There's no way that > Hollywood would risk a movie in which Guy meets Girl: Guy gets Girl: Guy > goes to war: Guy comes back to a world populated by homosexuals and girl > has been dead for centuries. So, here's the pitch...Guy meets girl; guy gets girl; guy gets into gore; Gaia loses girls; guy meets gays? Sounds like a winner! ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Mon Jan 12 13:25:31 1998 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:25:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <199801121812.SAA14067@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, M Holmes wrote: > J Strobridge writes: > > > But dragging the subject desperately into some state of ontopicness > > how many bands apart from Hawkwind have used science fiction (and I mean > > Science Fiction not fantasy) to create song lyrics? > > Didn't Abba do one called "Starship Trooper"? No, Abba did "Super Trouper". Yes did "Starship Trooper". Favion Sivad From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:37:20 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:37:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) Message-ID: On m?n 12 jan 1998 18.08 +0000 "M Holmes" wrote: > Jean Lansford writes: >> The strongest Nazi flavor I got was from the uniforms, which Hollywood >> uses a lot in SF-type movies for both the good guys and the villians. >> I suspect they simply think the Nazi unis look cool. > > As P.J.O'Rourke said: nobody ever fantasised about being tied up and > ravished by someone dressed as a liberal. Facists always have the best uniforms. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 13:32:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:32:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Mon, 12 Jan 98 17:40 +0000 Message-ID: On 12 Jan 17:40, M Holmes wrote: > > Mike Moorcock, the main link between BOC & HW, wrote a critique of > > Sci-Fi/Fantasy called "Starship Troopers". As I recall, Heinlein and > > various others were picked out for their right-wing authoritarian > > tendencies. This essay can be found in The Opium General. > > OTOH Heinlein wrote The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress which is if anything > about libertarian subversion of authoritarian government. IIRC, the book concentrates on the fight against the colonials. It doesn't say much about the society that the rebels set up for themselves, apart from the fact that the main character gets fed up with it and moves on to live further out at the end of the book. The rebels aren't organised along libertarian lines. They are divided into cells, who don't know each other. They all follow the orders of the men at the top, how in fact follow the plan of a machine that embodies the will of the people (Ein volk, ein computer?). Early on, Heinlein uses the favourite myth of idealogues everywhere: that of the people uprising en masse for the right cause. This has been peddled by fascists, communists, and all sorts of would-be dictators; but in practice a society policed by a mob throwing you out of the airlock would not be a pleasant society in which to live. It's certainly not my idea of a free society. Throughout his books, Heinlein reveals little sympathy or empathy with his fellow human beings. He is essentially an individualist, believing only in his own superiority; the complete opposite of someone who believes in democracy. The protagonist of TMiaHM is a classic example; he's a sociopath who can't live with in any large society. > Also, a book > with a subversive AI called Mike Holmes is pretty hard to fault. And how convenient of him to die at the end of the book! There isn't much in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress that has anything to do with real politics, anywhere. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jan 12 13:43:36 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:43:36 -0500 Subject: tBS: 8 million people in NY...Is everybody happy? Message-ID: News just in: >Also, it is now confirmed that the Brain Surgeons and Joe Bouchard and the X >Brothers will appear together at Brownies in NYC, for one night only on >Saturday, Feb 7. Special guests will include David Roter and Helen Wheels. At >this time, this is the ONLY scheduled live appearance of the Brain Surgeons, >so please pass the word to all interested. > >DF From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:37:16 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:37:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > Thrillers are another genre where several successful films have come > from books. I haven't seen many of these, but examples like The Fugitive > come to mind. > > SF though, doesn't do so well. Why is this? Some reasons that I can think of: 1) SF sometimes requires viewers to think about a plot and often even to interpolate plot events from what's made explicit. The average adult has a mental age of 12 and most visual media deliberately pitch below this. 2) SF is still regarded by many in media circles as "kid's stuff". This means that SF is pitched below (1). 3) SF doesn't have enough standard props an plotlines which are well known in the way that those of westerns, detective stories, thrillers and war stories do and so a lot of time is wasted in goofy explication of the plot and props. In recent memory this has destroyed every Star Trek film except 4 (in which the plot is basically a play on the ST view of the punk era) and 7 which is IMHO the only reasonable ST film yet made. It also demolished Doctor Who and The Saint since in both, more than half the film was spent setting up the characters. The Saint wasn't improved by Val Kilmer's reprise of his Jim Morrison role and it degenerating into a poor man's James Bond. 4) The sorts of people who go into the production end of media (as opposed to special effects) are often completely ignorant of science and unable to understand or appreciate good SF. > Dave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 12 13:39:42 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:39:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:13:42 +0000 Message-ID: > > >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., > > >not written for the movie) song in a movie? Amazing Grace in the remake of Invasion of The Body Snatchers. For some bizarre reason it really works well. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 12 12:49:05 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:05 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: Christmas in Britain... In-Reply-To: <199801121802.SAA12452@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > > > Okay, so what ARE the most noticeable differences between American and British > > > Christmas? > > This year? Snow. > > I've just been over to Switzerland and France to ski. Temperatures are > way higher than normal over most of Europe and there's precious little > snow. > Well, week before last we had 2 feet of snow, and I played golf Saturday! No snow anywhere! theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 12:29:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:29:26 +0000 Subject: HW MM books In-Reply-To: <8025658A.00307360.00@csc.com> Message-ID: In article <8025658A.00307360.00 at csc.com>, Jeremy Dacombe writes >Does anyone have a UK address (postal or e-mail) for the Moorcock App Soc >(Nomads?). >Cheers, >Jez They've just moved this week but.....it's now Nomads Of The Time Streams 21, Honor Oak Road, Honor Oak, London SE23 3SH. John Davey, who runs Nomads is contactable at 106026.1147 at compuserve.com the (hypothetically Nomads only, but prospective Nomads welcomed) is at: nomads at sundancer.oche.de Why not join up? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 12 12:17:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:17:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: <199801091558.KAA12989@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: In article <199801091558.KAA12989 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >not written for the movie) song in a movie? "Stuck In The Middle With You" - Stealer's Wheel from Res. Dogs -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 12 07:05:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:05:52 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy in Esquire Message-ID: I see (from an ad, not the rag itself) that Lemmy is featured in this month's _Esquire_ magazine (UK edition). He's quoted as saying "Motorhead are actually a blues band - we just do it very, very fast," (so there's not likely to be any new content then :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 12 17:51:59 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:51:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Love In Space CD single wanted! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think you will be able to order it at www.cdzone.co.uk (where I got mine) Christian At 15:22 12.01.98 +0100, you wrote: >Hello HawkFrendz, > >I've tried to get get my hands on a copy of the Love In Space CD single, >that was released this fall, for quite some time now. Can anybody out >there help me get a hold of one? > >I would greatly appreciate it! > >Ola >Stockholm >Sweden >Europe >Earth >Hawkverse > > From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Jan 12 19:22:49 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:22:49 -0800 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's In-Reply-To: <199801121640.LAA25404@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > I have lots of thoughts on bootlegs, but I'll just post a few now. In > terms of people putting live recordings on CD that aren't available > commercially, I like the idea - the quality is at times questionable, > but for artists that I like and collect everything they put out, it can > be nice to have other stuff available on them - usually the casual fan > probably wouldn't be as interested, but for the die-hard, they fill a > need. What about editing the recordings (taking out artifacts, reducing hiss, etc.)? I imagine some collectors (those in it for completeness) would prefer to have the 'pure' recording, noise and all, but I imagine most would rather have a cleaner recording. > As for making copies of released material (ie. recording Imaginos from > the BOC CD), unless its strictly an archive copy for the person recording > it, I have a problem. And, that's not bootlegging, that's pirating, and > is really stealing from the artist. So do you see any difference between making a 'custom mix' on cassette and making one on a CD? I've recorded a lot of music in various mixes on cassettes, for myself, for gifts, received them as gifts, etc. 'Everybody's doing it', which doesn't make it legal or right, but what I'm wondering is if there is a perceived difference in the legal or moral implications between doing it on CD vs. a cassette. > If someone is planning on recording from released material and distributing > it (regardless of what they might be charging people - even if they are > giving them away), that is illegal, and takes money out of the artist's > pocket, and I don't support it. If they are taking otherwise unavailable > material and putting it out, well, that is as far as I know also illegal > (at least in the U.S.), although I don't really see that as the same > thing. But, others might differ with me on that. > > John I'd have to agree with you that the distribution of re-recorded material in general is going to be depriving the artist, but what about specific cases? (I'm being the Devil's advocate here, these opinions do not necessarily reflect my own.) If I were to make a 'custom' Imaginos CD (which I probably will), and distribute it (which I probably won't) to a select small group of interested people (perhaps members of a certain mailing list), wouldn't that just increase interest in the album itself? If I had the power, I'd push everyone involved in the Imaginos project to complete it, perfect it, and release it. If there were 'bootleg' or 'pirate' (the two terms are, I think, legally similar, but have very different implications) CDs running around, I'd think that would only put a little pressure on the involved parties (record companies, artists, etc.) to put out something that there was obviously an interest in. The uniqueness of the Imaginos situation is what makes this argument tempting. I _know_ there's more out there, I _know_ that there's a certain *order* to things, and I want to see it all done. If I know I won't be able to go out and buy "Imaginos vols. 1, 2, and 3 Boxed Set" anytime soon, I'm going to try and Imaginit (sorry, I couldn't resist) on my own. And if I (being the philanthropist I am) wish to share my creation/piracy with others, where's the harm? Ok, I know there are flaws in my argument, but again, I'm playing the Devil's advocate. On a Not Quite But Almost Related note, does anybody have any idea how much the BOC band members get in royalties each time Sony comes out with another BOC compilation? And do the royalties go to current band members, or original band members, or members of the band when the songs were originally released, or some/all/none of the above? Just wondering. -Pete the Inhaler -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Jan 12 19:32:13 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:32:13 -0800 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's (setlist) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure what setlist I'll do, I need to read the FAQ again to find out what would be appropriate, though I've got some ideas... Don't think I'll be sending many if any copies out, but if you're interested, send me some email to inhaler at u.washington.edu. Probably won't get around to it real soon either, been pretty busy lately... who knows, maybe the real thing'll come out and I won't have to tread the murky waters of piracy. -Pete Taken from the jungles by crime! -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >Awhile back there was a mention of somebody's web site offering custom > bootleg CD's, and recently I somebody mentioned something similar. I > was > wondering, what do the people on this list feel about that? > > You may want to be careful, you have no idea who is on this list or > lurks here. I would caution you to be careful with this idea. > Obviously you are not into this to make money but folks like Sony may > not give a care and hassle you for this anyway. > > >The reason I'm asking is that I recently got a CD-R, and have been making > a few mixed CD's for myself, and was thinking about doing a custom > Imaginos (possibly multiple CD's, using other 'appropriate' music from > other BOC albums). > > Have you got a setlist in mind, I'd love to hear which other songs you > would choose to include. > > >What interest have you regarding this? > > I'd possibly be interested but not at the expense of getting you into > any legal trouble. If you could do this with no legal hassles and with > peoples blessings then sure. > > Final Comment: C'ya Torgo. Gonna miss you in these hallow halls but I > know you will be true to your word and pass on reviews of tBS, X -Bros > and other relevant pieces. PEACE! > > L8er > lil'ab > > OBCD - The Best of King's X > > "Time to leave the craft > With all my strength I open up the hatch > Parts unknown > Between the twilight and danger zones" - Galactic Cowboys, Fear Not > From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Mon Jan 12 19:46:40 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:46:40 CST Subject: OFF: Best use of non-original song in a movie In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:59:33 CST." <199801122259.RAA25358@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <199801091558.KAA12989 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >not written for the movie) song in a movie? The instrumental portion of "Layla" in "Goodfellas". m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---------------------------+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From makmorn at QIS.NET Mon Jan 12 19:57:22 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:57:22 -0500 Subject: tBS: Malpractice/Cellsum In-Reply-To: <199801121328.IAA10325@mbunix.mitre.org>; from John A Swartz on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 08:28:03AM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 08:28:03AM -0500, John A Swartz said: > Hmm... you should be on the mailing list if you ordered BoH - perhaps > you got dropped by mistake? It seemed to happen to me, too. I ordered BoH and _Trepanation_ and the BoH baseball cap back when BoH came out (I had found _Eponymous_ at Best Buy!), but I didn't get a catalog when _Malpractise_ came out. Luckily... > Or, stop by my tBS website (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop) for an > online view of the latest Cellsum catalog, among other cool things. and I did! Gave a tBS pack to a friend for Christmas, and got a tBS/XBros/PB pack for myself. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jan 13 04:14:14 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:14:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > From: brian halligan > > > > Yes and no. A few years back, three "bands" > > composed of BOC-L folks recorded some > > covers for a tape that all the bands got a copy of. > > Fierce Wicker was my band, along with Jason > > Scruton ex. of this list. > > > > > > If we have enough musicians (and not even necessarily > > great ones either) on the list who would be interested in > > trying this, it's really a lot of fun. I know I've been dying > > to cover Name Your Monster for some time now... > > > > Brian > Do you have access to a studio? I might be interested in a project > like that if you haven't already got a gtr plyr in mind... > > theo > > ................................... > "I told you not to be stupid..." > --Ben S. Well - I'd give it a go, but I'm London based. Anyone in need of a bass player? Cheers, Rich. ObSong: Tangled Skein - "The Devil was my father (and I've got the horns to prove it)" From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Jan 13 04:59:46 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:59:46 +0200 Subject: HW:Moor and NT Message-ID: The MOOR and Nik Turner at Molotow, Hamburg 11/1/98 WOW! What a day this was, both before and after the show. The Molotow is a small club right in the heart of the local prostitute hang outs and the strip and gambling joints, pretty seedy! Very nice people run the place and we (Christian Mumford and I) got there early and hung out until the band arrived and we helped them load in the gear and chat. They were all really nice folks. They arrived at 7:30, 1.5 hours late, so everything got off to a late start. By 8 or so Christian and I had Nik cornered in a tiny room and we chatted with him for 45 minutes and he was quite frank and spoke a lot about his new record label, his new Allstars project CD, the possibility of a 1999 tour (with or without Brock and Lemmy), and other things. You will read it later in Aural Innovations (issue #2 or 3). I had been reading Julian Cope's Krautrock sampler and I am listening to Unknown Deutchland: The Krautrock Archive Vol. 1 right now, but at the club the DJ had awesome taste, playing Guru Guru, Can, Scorpions (first record 1972 on Brain!!), Grobschmitt, etc.. It was the best preshow music I had ever heard and it really got you in the mood for the show, which was totally different! The MOOR opened up with a Calvert poem, and one new song, followed by Nik coming out with his blue face paint, and that wild suit that he wore in Chicago at JJ Kelly's in September. He entered the room playing the sax, walking through the crowd (about 60 people) and up onto the stage. Then went into one of their own new songs, followed by a very cool version of Watching the Grass Grow. The MOOR created their own type of groove, different from the ICU or Pressurehed backing band grooves. It was much slower and spacier but worked very well. The band working with Nik stretched most tunes out to around 10 minutes or so. Some of the best material was when they played material from Nik's 1978 lp, Xintoday. The bass/keyboard player switched over to a tabla style drum, as did the excellent drummer, and Knut played tambourine. This was great as with Nik chanting and playing the flute you had a really awesome mid east feel, not the heavy rock versions of the tunes that were on Sphinx or played with Pressurehed. Excellent! More of the MOOR material followed with the occasional Calvert poem throw in. They did a long encore of several HW tunes, Children of the Sun, Brainstorm with a bit of Steppenwolf in the middle and that was not enough, he few people remaining demanded more and Nik played solo Silver/Washing Machine and the band heard what he was doing and they came back out and it turned into another massive jam.. The 20 or so people left loved it. I think more people would have been at the show had it not been so late (started at 11 pm) on a sunday night! The band played for 126 minutes! The recording came out excellent. I really liked the show a lot. The MOOR's new material is very dark, gothic rock, with synthesisers and Nik playing the sax over the top really adds a unique element. The guy who read most of the lyrics for the MOOR did not have that great of a voice when he tried to sing at all (Which was not often). He mostly did like spoken word stuff. The lyrics seem quite good and socially conscience type stuff. Great band, nice people, and a good time, except after the show. We roamed the streets of Hamburg trying to avoid the prostitutes (who were everywhere) looking for a youth hostel, which was closed, so we crashed in the train station until 4 am and took the train back to Kobenhavn, having spent only 12 hours in Germany! I had a great time for the most part. I think that Christian will have a totally different take on the event (but he was in a totally different state of mind ( I did not drink or smoke anything). scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 13 06:12:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:12:02 -0000 Subject: Starship Bloopers (small spoilerettes) Message-ID: On Monday, January 12, 1998 5:33 PM, M Holmes [SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > Andy Gilham writes: > > > > > ObMovie - _Starship Troopers_!!! > > > > you jest(?) For about 10 mins I thought there was going to be an > > > intelligent film interwoven among the dross but I gave up that hope > > > soon enough and my sympathy is entirely with the stick insects! > > > No, I thought it was superb. I know Verhoeven brings out strong > > feelings both for and against, but I think he is a much more > > intelligent film-maker than he is often accused of being. His > > penchant for graphic violence does bring accusations of voyeurism - > > even I didn't see _Showgirls_, and I'm generally a big fan of his - > > but if you're making a film where one of the themes is the horror of > > war, then I think you have to show some of the horror. Verhoeven > > himself isn't, I think, necessarily militaristic himself > > Well hey, neither am I. However, even armchair generals can spot gaping > flaws in a plotline. The troopers have guns with which it takes five > troopers 20 seconds to kill one bug. Why not flamethrowers? Why not > grenade launchers? If infantry are so useless for frontal attack why not > use tanks first and infantry for clearup? Where was the air support? > > If the spacecraft have warp capability then why have dropships remain in > hostile orbit after drop so that they can be picked off? Why were they > so close together they hit each other? Space is a pretty big place, even > in orbit. Why when they'd done this once did they repeat the fiasco? > > Why fight at close range when the Bigs don't? Just lob asteroids in from > way out. The Bugs didn't have spacefaring capability to stop this. > > The film was puerile, stupid, and had already been done in Space: Above > and Beyond. > > > -Andy > > > Mike "It's afraid? We lose a million men for you to state the obvious?" > Holmes -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 06:53:50 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:53:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: <199801121805.SAA12863@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, M Holmes wrote: > > As an anarchist, Moorcock is basically opposed to the state and its > > machinery. But I don't think he's a pacifist; hence his references to the > > Nestor Makhno's anarchist army in the Russian civil war. > > >From comments I've heard him make, I suspect he tends towards some form > of left wing anarchism. I heard he'd also been doing some pro-censorship > pieces which would be kinda disturbing. I can't quite figure Moorcock out on this score. He's always claimed to be anti-censorship, yet at the same time is a strong supporter of Andrea Dworkin in her anti-pornography crusade (and she most definitely does want to censor what we read, see and hear). I'm amused that Moorcock is also apparently a friend of J.G.Ballard, who is most certainly anti-censorship & anti-Dworkin, and has been quoted as saying that when he dies he wants to leave his testicles to Andrea Dworkin :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 04:38:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:38:07 +0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: <199801121626.QAA16673@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801121626.QAA16673 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Jon Browne writes: > >> Strangers In Paradise is an excellant soap title which brings women into >> comic shops (a novelty). Many of our regulars have finally turned wives >> and girlfriends onto comics with this title. Not that it's aimed at >> women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for a change. > >SEXES! For Christ's sake humans have sex, not "gender". > >Why be politically correct when you can be right? [(C) Geoff Miller] > >FoFP Is gender incorrect? Forgive my imprecise language and while we're on the subject, Sex SEX Sex SEXES Sexual RUDE SEX TOP GEAR NOB JOB FISH MITTEN! And if I'm not mistaken - tits! Hope that clear's things up. all the best -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 04:29:43 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:29:43 +0000 Subject: HW MM books In-Reply-To: <5P9RbeA2Llu0Ewus@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: >the (hypothetically Nomads only, but prospective Nomads welcomed) list >is at: > >nomads at sundancer.oche.de -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 04:25:50 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:25:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <199801121812.SAA14067@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801121812.SAA14067 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Didn't Abba do one called "Starship Trooper"? > >FoFP NAHHHH! That was "Supertrooper" and no I'm not going to sing it for you...... Tell you what though, with all this Sarah Brightman, Elton John etc..it's made me realise that most SF in Rock is a lot of old bollocks. :) I mean, It needn't be, but it seems to have turned out that way. -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 07:37:52 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > Tell you what though, with all this Sarah Brightman, Elton John > etc.. I believe that's "Sir" Elton John to us plebs.... %-@ it's made me realise that most SF in Rock is a lot of old bollocks. > :) I mean, It needn't be, but it seems to have turned out that way. >From last week's NME I see that the new single from former Stone Roses frontman Ian Brown includes the "nonsensical" lyric: "I'm on a military mission to Mars". :) Dave Ob vinyl....NOT! : Journey to the Centre of the Earth, by Rick Wakeman ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Jan 13 07:42:02 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:42:02 -0500 Subject: Big gig in NYC! Message-ID: > Subject: XBrothers and tBS Together- One Night Only! > From: thenudeb at aol.com (TheNuDeb) > Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:18:04 EST > > Just to give those of you who may have to make travel plans plenty of > advance > notice...to celebrate the release of their new Cellsum records, > Malpractise and > Solid Citizens, Joe Bouchard and the X Brothers and The Brain > Surgeons > will perform together in NYC on Saturday, February 7. Some of your > other favorite Cellsum artists will also make appearances. > Keep watching this space for details. Ayyyyiiii! I would *love* to see this, but B0RNtoG0 and Alien Planetscapes are doing a double header at the Pyramid on Feb 7th. Arggghhhhhhh! In Space we trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 13 07:44:01 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:44:01 -0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: On Monday, January 12, 1998 2:01 PM, Dave Berry [SMTP:daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK] wrote: > SF though, doesn't do so well. Why is this? Blade Runner was excellent, > but only shared some of the background with Dick's novel. Total Recall > also threw away most of Dick's ideas to make a passable film. I'm hard > pressed to think of any other examples of SF movies from books. (I'm > deliberately discounting 2001: A Space Oddysey, because the book and > the film were developed in tandem). Dune, of course, was crap, as > was Damnation Alley (dragging the message back to vaguely on-topic > at last). > Truffaut's _Fahrenheit 451_ was more successful. :) I think it's that film science fiction has a tradition that's very different from written science fiction; they're not even really the same genre. Film sf came through the monster movies of the 50s, is still regarded as the heir to those films, and is part of mass culture. (Go go Godzilla!) Written sf is a minority pursuit at best, and has developed almost independently of the cultural mainstream. Also, the best written sf is cerebral and idea-based; movies have to be visual, and convey their ideas quickly, with a few images and fewer words. So there's an immediate tension. Plus, and I think this is important, an sf fan's idea of a good adaptation is often at odds with a mainstream film viewer's idea. Just as an example, sf fans are often tolerant of long explanatory passages in their written fiction, and would like to see them in films too. Most viewers, I hazard, wouldn't. (Btw, _Total Recall_ is an easy film to read, but it seems many people miss it - sf fans are the worst, because they harp on about the bogus science at the end, without realising the bogus science is itself a big clue! The key scene is the one where Quaid is told that in his dream "you're going to get the girl, kill the bad guys, and save the planet". Which of course is exactly what happens. In his dream. If there's a subtext, it's about preferring escapist fantasy to dealing with mundane reality. "The joke's on you." :) (Christ, I'm straining for these on-topic references!) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 08:07:52 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:07:52 +0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books Message-ID: On tis 13 jan 1998 09.38 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <199801121626.QAA16673 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes >>Jon Browne writes: >>> Not that it's aimed at >>> women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for a change. >> >>SEXES! For Christ's sake humans have sex, not "gender". > > Is gender incorrect? Techinically, 'fraid so. From a biological standpoint, humans (like other sexually reproducing organisms) have _sex_: male or female. Gender specifies "masculine" or "feminine", which are subtly but significantly different concepts than "male" or "female". -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 13 08:12:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:12:46 -0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:08 PM, Carl E. Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > Techinically, 'fraid so. From a biological standpoint, humans (like > other sexually reproducing organisms) have _sex_: Yeah, but I know a few who don't, and some who really ought to get some :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 13 08:25:01 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:25:01 -0500 Subject: tBS: 8 million people in NY...Is everybody happy? Message-ID: Should be a memorable show indeed - I hope someone's rolling tape... Al, how 'bout recording audio/video of this show for a future Cellsum release? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 13 08:55:40 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:55:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's Message-ID: >What about editing the recordings (taking out artifacts, reducing hiss, etc.)? I imagine some collectors (those in it for completeness) would prefer to have the 'pure' recording, noise and all, but I imagine most would rather have a cleaner recording. I'd rather have the cleaner recording in terms of noise reduction, but would prefer that the space between songs in a live set is preserved. >So do you see any difference between making a 'custom mix' on cassette and making one on a CD? I've recorded a lot of music in various mixes on cassettes, for myself, for gifts, received them as gifts, etc. 'Everybody's doing it', which doesn't make it legal or right, but what I'm wondering is if there is a perceived difference in the legal or moral implications between doing it on CD vs. a cassette. I think there IS a perceived difference, but in my mind, if you're making seperate recordings of previously-released material for someone other than the owner of the original copy, it's the same whether its CD or cassette. Yeah, everyone does it, as you say. With CDs, the fear always seemed to be greater in the industry since there was a fear that CDs implies a much higher quality. Of course, we all know that sound quality depends on many things, most notably the source of the audio. I've got live tapes that blow away the sound quality of the "Live 1976" BOC CD. I suspect that after recordable CDs become more prolific, there will be much less of a perception that one medium (CD or cassette) is o.k. while another is not, but I think there is a perceived difference today. >I'd have to agree with you that the distribution of re-recorded material in general is going to be depriving the artist, but what about specific cases? (I'm being the Devil's advocate here, these opinions do not necessarily reflect my own.) If I were to make a 'custom' Imaginos CD (which I probably will), and distribute it (which I probably won't) to a select small group of interested people (perhaps members of a certain mailing list), wouldn't that just increase interest in the album itself? I understand where you're coming from and I've thought about that issue a lot in the past as well. I've raised a similar argument for websites that post lyrics to songs as well - hey, might not a BOC website with the lyrics to BOC songs (a violation of, I believe, Sony's copyright on BOC's lyrics) spark some interest (albeit minor) and possibly influence someone into buying a BOC album? Quite possibly, in my mind. But, it still is in violation of the law, and one would be hard-pressed to use the argument in one's defense. Now, in the case of, say, Imaginos - yes, it might increase interest of the album to distribute a custom Imaginos CD, but I doubt you could convince the copyright holder that this interest would pay off in future sales (hey, if you give folks a copy of Imaginos, why would they go out and buy a copy -- ignore, for a moment, the fact that Imaginos is no longer readily available in the U.S. - which is perhaps another possible argument for doing something like this). I am not trying to point flaws in your logic, but just present to you the flipside of your argument. By the way, you might stretch this a bit further - suppose you made such a "custom" CD, but didn't give it to people, but just loaned it out. This technically would be o.k., and would perhaps spark the interest you refer to. Now, if someone decided to make themselves a copy of your "custom" CD, well then technically I would think that they are the violators, and not you (then again, how many of us can make custom CDs of our own these days?). >If I had the power, I'd push everyone involved in the Imaginos project to complete it, perfect it, and release it. If there were 'bootleg' or 'pirate' (the two terms are, I think, legally similar, but have very different implications) CDs running around, I'd think that would only put a little pressure on the involved parties (record companies, artists, etc.) to put out something that there was obviously an interest in. The "Beatles Anthology" is a great example of a record company making huge profits by releasing stuff that's been bootlegged for years. I suggest that had the bootlegs not existed, this much-hyped 6 CD collection would never have existed. >The uniqueness of the Imaginos situation is what makes this argument tempting. I _know_ there's more out there, I _know_ that there's a certain *order* to things, and I want to see it all done. If I know I won't be able to go out and buy "Imaginos vols. 1, 2, and 3 Boxed Set" anytime soon, I'm going to try and Imaginit (sorry, I couldn't resist) on my own. And if I (being the philanthropist I am) wish to share my creation/piracy with others, where's the harm? I understand where your coming from. But, the "harm" (and you and I could probably never guess the magnitude - but whether it is huge or insignificant probably shouldn't factor in such judgements) is that if someone who doesn't currently own Imaginos now feels no need to buy it because they have your CD (again, dismiss the fact that Imaginos is not readily available in the U.S. anymore), then ultimately that is one CD Sony doesn't sell, and one CD's worth of royalties that the artists (one of which is a BOC-L listmember, BTW) don't make. I can't say how significant this could be, and one could argue that the person receiving the custom CD wasn't going to buy a copy of Imaginos anyway, so there really was no "loss" of sale. From a legal standpoint, I don't think such an argument would fly. Again, my point is not to tell you that you can't or shouldn't do what you are implying, but to give you the other side of the argument. >On a Not Quite But Almost Related note, does anybody have any idea how much the BOC band members get in royalties each time Sony comes out with another BOC compilation? And do the royalties go to current band members, or original band members, or members of the band when the songs were originally released, or some/all/none of the above? Just wondering. Albert has mentioned this before (although I don't think he's mentioned dollar amounts or percentages -- something that really isn't our business), and he could probably answer that better. I do believe that he continues to collect royalties from Sony for BOC material - at least the stuff he had a hand in writing. John From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Jan 13 09:08:30 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:08:30 +0100 Subject: Lemmy in Esquire Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: Andy Gilham writes: > (Btw, _Total Recall_ is an easy film to read, but it seems many people miss > it - sf fans are the worst, because they harp on about the bogus science at > the end, without realising the bogus science is itself a big clue! The key > scene is the one where Quaid is told that in his dream "you're going to get > the girl, kill the bad guys, and save the planet". Which of course is > exactly what happens. In his dream. If there's a subtext, it's about > preferring escapist fantasy to dealing with mundane reality. The problem is that in the film the unreality is so innacurate scientifically that it's posted in neon lights. If you dismiss the whole film as unreal then that's somewhat unsatisfying, particularly if it's so unreal as to suspend disbelief. Much of Dick's writing in this area conflated various realities in ways which made the joins quite seamless. He could thus ask questions about the nature of realities and identity while disorientating the reader in such a way that they were forced to experience the question. IMHO the only part of the film which came close to this disorientation, the sense of deja vu, was that point where Quaid was confronted on Mars by the guy who'd come into his dream to help him. Of course in true Hollywood fashion, such a cerebral question was rejoined by machinegun gore because the erstwhile psychological lifeguard was sweating. From this point onwards the film departed from anything recognisable as one of Dick's stories. If they'd instead made it difficult or impossible to distinguish the real from the unreal and perhaps layered it further, a very much more interesting film could have been made. Unfortunately this is generally accepted only in highbrow spy thrillers and arty farty continental films. IMHO the best film based on Dick wasn't based on Dick at all, it was The Game starring Michael Douglas. It was admittedly unbelievable in parts, but the continual twist of reality in the film was exactly what should have been attempted in Total Recall. FoFP "The joke's > on you." :) (Christ, I'm straining for these on-topic references!) > > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 09:25:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:25:15 GMT Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:38:07 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > >> Strangers In Paradise is an excellant soap title which brings women > >> into comic shops (a novelty). Many of our regulars have finally > >> turned wives and girlfriends onto comics with this title. Not that > >> it's aimed at women, it just happens to appeal to both genders for > >> a change. > >SEXES! For Christ's sake humans have sex, not "gender". > >Why be politically correct when you can be right? [(C) Geoff Miller] > >FoFP > Is gender incorrect? Forgive my imprecise language It's less a language nitpick than a political bete noir for me. Gender is something that applies to words, whereas humans and animals are divided into sexes. There are those with a political agenda who attempt to pretend that there are more sexes than two, or who wish to pretend that females can somehow be males and vice versa rather than simply have attributes usually associated with the opposite sex. There's been an attempt to replace the word "sex" with "gender" partly in promotion of this agenda in the PC movement to alter reality by altering the map and, I suspect, because the sensitive little bunnyhuggers are a bit skittish about actually using the word "sex". Most likely because it conjures up Dworkinish Demons from Planet Patriarchy. Best not appear to be a fellow traveller, who knows when the hearings will begin. > and while we're on > the subject, Sex SEX Sex SEXES Sexual RUDE SEX TOP GEAR NOB JOB > FISH MITTEN! And if I'm not mistaken - tits! Hope that clear's things > up. Fuck 'em all. > all the best -- Jon Mike "Unreconstructed male" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 09:26:40 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:26:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:25:50 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <199801121812.SAA14067 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes > >Didn't Abba do one called "Starship Trooper"? > > > >FoFP > > NAHHHH! That was "Supertrooper" and no I'm not going to sing it for > you...... Does it have a line: "I lost my heart to a starship trooper..." ? Or is that just a fiendish experiment to see who can't get the tune out of their heads for a week? > Jon FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 13 09:34:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:34:56 +0000 Subject: Lemmy in Esquire Message-ID: On tis 13 jan 1998 15.08 +0100 "Ola Nyberg" wrote: > Andy Gilham wrote: > "Motorhead > not > > Hey, there's a lot more content in MH than in most other bands! > What he means is of course that MH are blues-based, as are BOC (very!) > and (yes) HW. > Lemmy era HW is not that different from MH; Beneath all the keyboards > etc. there's a blues based three-piece heavy rock band. > What's wrong with the blues? In fact, as long as it's based on the blues, > it usually sounds good to me. I think what Andy meant was that since we all know that Motorhead is basically hyper-velocity Chuck Berry with very big amplifiers :) the article probably wouldn't tell us anything exciting and new about Motorhead (i.e. it wouldn't have any "new content"). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jan 13 10:12:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:12:28 -0000 Subject: Lemmy in Esquire Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:09 PM, Ola Nyberg [SMTP:ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE] wrote: > Andy Gilham wrote: > > "Motorhead > not > > Hey, there's a lot more content in MH than in most other bands! > [...] > > What's wrong with the blues? In fact, as long as it's based on the blues, > it usually sounds good to me. Hey Ola, all I meant was I've heard Lemmy say this in interviews since time immemorial! So I didn't expect there to be anything particularly new in the Esquire article, not for us lot anyway! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Jan 13 10:30:12 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:30:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Andy Anderson Message-ID: Hello, Does anybody know what Andy Anderson is up to these days? Last time I heard about him, was when he drummed (and very well indeed!) on the Iggy Pop tour in 1987. Ola From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Jan 13 10:27:12 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:27:12 +0100 Subject: Lemmy in Esquire Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ > Andy Gilham wrote: > "Motorhead > not > > Hey, there's a lot more content in MH than in most other bands! > What he means is of course that MH are blues-based, as are BOC (very!) > and (yes) HW. > Lemmy era HW is not that different from MH; Beneath all the keyboards > etc. there's a blues based three-piece heavy rock band. > What's wrong with the blues? In fact, as long as it's based on the blues, > it usually sounds good to me. Ola. I think what Andy meant was that since we all know that Motorhead is basically hyper-velocity Chuck Berry with very big amplifiers :) the article probably wouldn't tell us anything exciting and new about Motorhead (i.e. it wouldn't have any "new content"). Cheers, Carl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ My apologies to Andy.... I totally misunderstood. I'm deeply sorry! Carl, I agree with you that MH is basically "hyper-velocity Chuck Berry with very big amplifiers", but MH differ in that the bass is usually the lead instrument, very distorted and played as if it were a rhythm guitar... Chuck didn't sound like he had gravel for breakfast either. The Lemster makes all the difference... Sorry, Ola From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 13 13:01:19 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:01:19 +0100 Subject: HW:Moor and NT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:59 13.01.98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: >The MOOR and Nik Turner at Molotow, Hamburg 11/1/98 Indeed there we were, at that perceived point in reality, which one only achieves through long and ardorous sessions of meaningful talks on a train. Hamburg was very little like a fictional version of Hamburg, though in many ways could have been perceived as one in a sense that it was neither. Hamburg was as much Hamburg as Julian Cope was a teenage krautrocker: it was cheeseburger with extra secret sauce all the way, and the cows thought they knew the recipe. At some later point in time, a band appeared to arrive, seemingly composed of various individuals, two of them with the familiar email headers of Kenneth Magnusson and Knut Gerwers. At Scott's repeated insistence we had decided to wait for them, as he had made a prearrangement of sorts. So, on cue we scampered like eager schoolchildren visiting Santa's factory, after the band and into the club, as I particularly noticed the color of this small, slightly torn corner of what seemed to have been a napkin, laying near a dustbin which we passed. This piece of irrelevant information had seemingly been left out of the script. The rockstar Mr. Turner was certainly dressed for the formal interview about to take place, and indeed things went smoothly as prearranged. We filed into a small dark room where Scott could bring forth his recording equipment and his sheet of thoughtfully formulated questions. The most interesting things revealed were more meaningful sides of our conversation, which will be made apparent elsewhere, in an ecologically sound sort of manner one could suppose. Afterwards I went upstairs to the bar and watched the extremely hip local crowd getting ready for their very late evening on the town. Then I went down the stair and stared a bit, then headed up again for another drink with the cool locals, to whom it seemed I had reached my future state, as it was. Downstairs again, hordes of us eager fans had gathered and indeed we all felt a special bond connecting us. There was, disappointingly, no warmup band, but the very special show put on made up for it. Certainly new levels of audience participation were reached, as it was a great performance of clowns and juggler. The show was very well advertised and promoted and it seemed that way too. After the long rehearsal, the band played generally a shapeless, shambling rambling tune of Moor, Nik, ICU and Hawkwind songs, all but the lyrics went through the wringer, and they were very clear. The drums were particularly bad, and the microwave oven onstage wasn't really plugged in, though the colored lights were, and easily seen through. Scott of course made an excellent recording of the whole thing, though halfway through somewhere he vainly tried to punch me when I spoke to him in what appeared to be a drunk and disorderly manner. Eventually, the rendition of Washing Machine woke me up (as I was charmed/lulled into some sleepwalking trance at this point) at what seemed to be the end of the show, appearing to stir things up a bit. Then we headed out, conversing once again, and took the train back to Copenhagen, as the curtains behind us in Hamburg were drawn. It sure was a trip! Christian From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 13 13:19:02 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:19:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Floyd's 'Set the controls for the heart of the sun' is meant to be based on MM's Fireclown. And Deep Purple have categorically denied (:-)) that Stormbringer is MM influenced. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 13 January 1998 12:03 Subject: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF >In article <199801121812.SAA14067 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes >>Didn't Abba do one called "Starship Trooper"? >> >>FoFP > >NAHHHH! That was "Supertrooper" and no I'm not going to sing it for >you...... > >Tell you what though, with all this Sarah Brightman, Elton John >etc..it's made me realise that most SF in Rock is a lot of old bollocks. >:) I mean, It needn't be, but it seems to have turned out that way. > >-- >Jon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 13:53:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:53:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's mail of Tue, 13 Jan 98 11:53 +0000 Message-ID: On 13 Jan 11:53, Hardman DK wrote: > I can't quite figure Moorcock out on this score. He's always claimed to be > anti-censorship, yet at the same time is a strong supporter of Andrea > Dworkin in her anti-pornography crusade It's certainly possible to argue that pornography is a bad thing without wanting to censor it. > (and she most definitely does want > to censor what we read, see and hear). Actually, she wants the right for people to sue pornographers for the damage that (she perceives) they do to people. E.g. she believes that pornography encourages and incites men to rape women, that pornography stores and prostitution make streets no-go areas for women, etc., and she wants this recognised by the law. Suing for damages is not the same as censoring beforehand. As an example of this, she opposed the Canadian law that bans material that is (perceived to be) degrading to women; and she did this because she objects to state control. (In contrast, Catherine Mackinnon, who is often lumped with Dworkin into a single bogey monster, the "Dworkinandmackinnon", supported the Canadian law). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 13 13:47:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:47:07 -0600 Subject: Off Clancy Brown and SF Books or Moives? Message-ID: >And indeed - Clancy Brown >gets to play a good guy! >Cheers, >Rich. Clancy also played a good guy in Buckaroo Bonzai... >Thrillers are another genre where several successful films have come from books. I haven't seen many of these, but examples like The Fugitive come to mind. >SF though, doesn't do so well. Why is this? >Some reasons that I can think of: All valid reasons too. I think its the nature of the beast. Get a great SF book and read it. The story unfolds within you, you make your own interpretations, paint your own landscape. Give the same book to Hollywood and Industrial Light and Magic takes this vital element out of your grasp and places it firmly in the hands of the director, et al. Now your stuck with someone elses imagination. Tie this into the lowest common denominator and viola, you'll never please everyone. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. lil' ab OBCD - Sabotage, Balck Sabbath From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 13 13:56:26 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:56:26 -0600 Subject: Live Surgeons and CD Recordings Message-ID: >If Rudy got it completed, he probably sent the first >copy off to Al, so who knows? >If not, tBS will just have to deliver a few more great live sets for a >live CD - shouldn't be too tough, from the reviews of them I've seen >lately. Oh he completed it but not sure if he ever got a copy to Al. tBS gets better with every gig but that show, from what the participants told me, was really special. Three sets and each of them different. Amazing energy and crisp playing. That was a once in a lifetime gig. Perfect for such a disc. Pete the inhaler - I can understand where John is comming from and I also see your point. I am a tape maker, lots and lots of them. I constantly work through my collection and make comps of the artist I collect. Hell two months from now I'll do them again. I thought this is what your project is about too. While I don't think anyone even Al would begrudge you for making such a cd for yourself, there is still a very thin line between morally right and legally wrong. Distributing the thing could be pushing the envelope. I love the idea but you really should get some legal advice on this. No one should be punished for having great ideas with good intentions. Better yet some people on this list put together a series of compilation tapes of Hawkwind cover tunes and distributed them. Maybe they can give you the benefit of their research. L8er lil' ab "Make love, not war. Hell, do both ... get married." From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 14:12:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:12:00 +0000 Subject: Off: Comic Books In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Tue, 13 Jan 98 14:25 +0000 Message-ID: On 13 Jan 14:25, M Holmes wrote: > Jon Browne writes: > > Is gender incorrect? Forgive my imprecise language > > It's less a language nitpick than a political bete noir for me. Gender > is something that applies to words, whereas humans and animals are > divided into sexes. There are those with a political agenda who attempt > to pretend that there are more sexes than two, or who wish to pretend > that females can somehow be males and vice versa rather than simply have > attributes usually associated with the opposite sex. There's been an > attempt to replace the word "sex" with "gender" partly in promotion of > this agenda in the PC movement to alter reality by altering the map It's more complex than that. In sexual political/gender studies circles, "sex" refers to physical sex, while "gender" refers to social roles and/or mental self-image. (I'm probably not explaining the distinction very well -- I've never been convinced by it -- but it's along those lines). So a male-to-female transexual has a male body (before the operation), but a female gender. Some people argue that there are more than two genders. I've known one or two people argue that there are more than two sexes, but they were referring to various forms of hemaphroditism, or to unusual combinations of the sex chromosomes (e.g. X, XXY, XYY). > I suspect, because the sensitive little bunnyhuggers are a bit skittish > about actually using the word "sex". Most likely because it conjures up > Dworkinish Demons from Planet Patriarchy. If you think Dworkin herself is sensitive about the word "sex", you obviously haven't read her novel "Mercy" (which I highly recommend, BTW). I don't know about her other books. Most people I met at various bisexual gatherings, *especially* the politicos, were very happy to talk about sex, where they'd been pierced, the details of gender dysfunction and corrective surgery, etc. OTOH, a woman friend told me of some women who were shocked by Andrea Dworkin when she gave a reading in Edinburgh and was not in the least prudish! So maybe there are some "sensitive little bunnyhuggers" out there. Ah well, it makes a change from seeing feminists referred to as nazi ball-crushers. > Mike "Unreconstructed male" Holmes Isn't that a PC term for a much ruder word? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Jan 13 19:14:26 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:14:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Someone wrote: > >There in lies the rub. How many great books have been sucessfully > >translated into movies? I'm hard pressed to think of many. > > >It's harder than it sounds. Some people who write great books > >cannot write good screenplays... > Following much thought and pub discussion I can only come up with 1 specific movie, and 1 entire genre; viz: 10 Rillington Place and Bond movies anyone have any more? Alasdair (and Mark helped with the thinking) -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Jan 14 04:51:32 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:51:32 -0700 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: > Floyd's 'Set the controls for the heart of the sun' is meant to be > based on > MM's Fireclown. For some reason, I thought this was the other way around:) I could very well be totally incorrect. > And Deep Purple have categorically denied (:-)) that > Stormbringer is MM influenced. I would need to hear this first:) This has been a truly intersting thread.Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: In article , Hardman DK writes >I can't quite figure Moorcock out on this score. He's always claimed to be >anti-censorship, yet at the same time is a strong supporter of Andrea >Dworkin in her anti-pornography crusade (and she most definitely does want >to censor what we read, see and hear). I'm amused that Moorcock is also >apparently a friend of J.G.Ballard, who is most certainly >anti-censorship & anti-Dworkin, and has been quoted as saying that >when he dies he wants to leave his testicles to Andrea Dworkin :) There was quite an in depth discussion a while back about precisely this matter on the Nomads list. I think the conclusion was reached that Mike (bless his heart) was in fact a little ambiguous when it came it came to his stated position on censorship issues and his unequivocal support of Dworkin. Still, you can be friends with individuals and still hold different views. Once I even had a friend who voted Conservative, can you believe that? It was a long time ago though. -- Jon ObCD Spacemen 3 - Spacemen ARE GO!! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 06:26:08 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:26:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > (and she most definitely does want > > to censor what we read, see and hear). > > Actually, she wants the right for people to sue pornographers for the damage > that (she perceives) they do to people. Eh? Everyone *does* have that right if they can prove in Court that such damage has in fact occurred. > E.g. she believes that pornography > encourages and incites men to rape women But is unable to furnish evidence that this is in fact the case. An interesting question is raised however. If she believes that decreasing the rape sttistics must always take precedence over issues such as freedom of speech and freedom of choice in reading matters then would she accept the logical consequence, that if it were proven that pornography was cathartic and actually reduced the rape statistics (as post-legalisation stats in one particular country might suggest) then viewing it should be made compulsory? > that pornography stores and > prostitution make streets no-go areas for women, etc. Hmmmm. My local video store and newsagent has pornography and I see women in that street all the time. > Dave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 06:35:13 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:35:13 GMT Subject: Off: Censorship In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 13 Jan 14:25, M Holmes wrote: > > Jon Browne writes: > > > Is gender incorrect? Forgive my imprecise language > > > > It's less a language nitpick than a political bete noir for me. Gender > > is something that applies to words, whereas humans and animals are > > divided into sexes. There are those with a political agenda who attempt > > to pretend that there are more sexes than two, or who wish to pretend > > that females can somehow be males and vice versa rather than simply have > > attributes usually associated with the opposite sex. There's been an > > attempt to replace the word "sex" with "gender" partly in promotion of > > this agenda in the PC movement to alter reality by altering the map > > It's more complex than that. In sexual political/gender studies > circles, "sex" refers to physical sex, while "gender" refers to > social roles and/or mental self-image. That may be so, but in the normal world of language that's not what the word "gender" means. If they want to play Humpty Dumpty then that's their prerogative but it's no reason for the rest of the world to play along. > > I suspect, because the sensitive little bunnyhuggers are a bit skittish > > about actually using the word "sex". Most likely because it conjures up > > Dworkinish Demons from Planet Patriarchy. > > If you think Dworkin herself is sensitive about the word "sex" No. I accept that Dworkin is intelligent and skilled at debate even if I find her views somewhat outlandish and unreasonable. > Most people I met at various bisexual gatherings, *especially* the politicos, > were very happy to talk about sex, where they'd been pierced, the details > of gender dysfunction and corrective surgery, etc. OTOH, a woman friend > told me of some women who were shocked by Andrea Dworkin when she gave > a reading in Edinburgh and was not in the least prudish! So maybe there > are some "sensitive little bunnyhuggers" out there. That particular sensitivity seems to be prevalent on certain US campuses and is thankfully rare in the UK. Unfortunately political correctness isn't. A magazine was lifted from student shops at Edinburgh University because it contained adverts for staff for massage parlours. And of course there's the Zero Tolerance campaign here (nowt to do with drugs and more to do with insulting men with their own tax dollars). > Ah well, it makes a > change from seeing feminists referred to as nazi ball-crushers. I always liked "feminazi" but who wants to be associated in anyone's mind with Rush Limbaugh? > > Mike "Unreconstructed male" Holmes > > Isn't that a PC term for a much ruder word? Is it? What's that? > Dave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 06:37:40 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:37:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:32:37 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Still, you can be friends with individuals and still hold > different views. Once I even had a friend who voted Conservative, can > you believe that? I had the horrible thought the other night that the next election might come down to debating whether to bite th bullet and vote Conservative in order to get the Authoritarian Party out. > Jon FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 14 06:53:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:53:00 +0000 Subject: Off: Censorship In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:35 +0000 Message-ID: On 14 Jan 11:35, M Holmes wrote: > That may be so, but in the normal world of language that's not what the > word "gender" means. Well, language changes. AFAIK, "Gender dysphoria" is now the standard medical term for transexualism and related conditions. > and is thankfully rare in the UK. Unfortunately political correctness > isn't. [...] > there's the Zero Tolerance campaign here (nowt to do with drugs > and more to do with insulting men with their own tax dollars). I knew someone who was involved in the Edinburgh "Z" campaign. It certainly wasn't conceived of as a PC project, and apparently did succeed in changing the lives of some women for the better. Interestingly enough, when the campaign was repeated in London, the Edinburgh group criticised the new campaign for attacking men, which they were careful not to do (they criticised "male abuse of power", which they saw as different from criticising men). I can't remember the details of their criticisms -- it was in an issue of a local magazine called "Harpies And Quines" from around that time. > > > Mike "Unreconstructed male" Holmes > > > > Isn't that a PC term for a much ruder word? > > Is it? What's that? I always thought that when people said "Unreconstructed male", they were ironically using a PC-sounded phrase to describe someone who they thought of as a tosser. I may be wrong though. (And to be on the safe side, I want to make it clear that I'm not calling Mike a tosser). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 14 06:57:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:57:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Rock) In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:37 +0000 Message-ID: On 14 Jan 11:37, M Holmes wrote: > I had the horrible thought the other night that the next election might > come down to debating whether to bite the bullet and vote Conservative in > order to get the Authoritarian Party out. I had a similar thought! Horrifying, isn't it? Still, at least the current lot are incorporating the European Bill Of Rights, setting up a Scottish Parliament, introducing some sort of Freedom Of Information bill, and getting rid of hereditary peers. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 07:12:29 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:12:29 GMT Subject: Off: Censorship In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 14 Jan 11:35, M Holmes wrote: > > That may be so, but in the normal world of language that's not what the > > word "gender" means. > > Well, language changes. AFAIK, "Gender dysphoria" is now the standard > medical term for transexualism and related conditions. I'm not against language changing. I'm opposed to people furthering political agendas by attempted control of the language. It's like being opposed to hijacking but not evolution. > > and is thankfully rare in the UK. Unfortunately political correctness > > isn't. [...] > > there's the Zero Tolerance campaign here (nowt to do with drugs > > and more to do with insulting men with their own tax dollars). > > I knew someone who was involved in the Edinburgh "Z" campaign. > It certainly wasn't conceived of as a PC project The fact that there's a Women's Committee in the Council and no Men's Committee and that they started the Campaign makes me skeptical. > and apparently > did succeed in changing the lives of some women for the better. That's good at least. How did the posters achieve this? > Interestingly enough, when the campaign was repeated in London, > the Edinburgh group criticised the new campaign for attacking men, > which they were careful not to do (they criticised "male abuse > of power", which they saw as different from criticising men). It's hard to see what a poster saying simply "No Man Has The Right" could be other than an attack on men. If I had a poster saying "No Woman Has the Right" I'd certainly expect complaints from the vaginally enhanced. Similarly the poster "99% of child abusers are men" was not only factually innacurate (50% are men though the statistics *may* be higher for child sexual abuse) as the Women's Committee acknowledged (but didn't remove the posters) but likely to provoke the idea that 99% of men are child abusers in the statistically naive. I wonder how well a "99% of shoplifters are women" would go down? > > > > Mike "Unreconstructed male" Holmes > > > > > > Isn't that a PC term for a much ruder word? > > > > Is it? What's that? > > I always thought that when people said "Unreconstructed male", they > were ironically using a PC-sounded phrase to describe someone who > they thought of as a tosser. I've not heard it in that context, though I guess when it's been used to imply that someone's a male chauvinist that the further implication might be intended. > I may be wrong though. (And to be on > the safe side, I want to make it clear that I'm not calling Mike a > tosser). I've been called worse anyway. I'm not really calling myself a male chauvinist either. I'm more against PC than I'm for The Patriarchy ;-) > Dave. FoFP From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Jan 14 07:12:34 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:12:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Message-ID: Dave wrote: Has www.hawkwind.com vaporized? I just tried to connect and was told the DNS couldn't find it. Has this been going on for some time, or is it one of those temporary vanishings? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Jan 14 07:55:26 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:55:26 +0100 Subject: whither www.hawkwind.com? Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson: On 14 Jan 12:12, Ola Nyberg wrote: > Dave wrote: > > Hereditary peers? Please explain. A "peer" in this context is a member of the House Of Lords, the second chamber of the British parliament. People either become lords by appointment by a government (they then remain lords for life), or by right of birth (the latter being the remnants of the aristocracy). The current government is planning to remove the right of the aristocracy to sit in the house of lords. (There are some other members of the House of Lords by virtue of holding certain offices, e.g. some bishops, but I think these are fairly small in number). The House Of Lords has much less power than the House Of Commons, but can review details of proposed legislation, and on rare occasions they can delay non-financial legislation considerably (which can sometimes be a good thing). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 14 10:49:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:49:58 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: Review of *Malpractise* O.K., I've been a bit lazy, but have been meaning to offer my thoughts on the latest offering by the Brain Surgeons, *Malpractise*, since I got the disc nearly 3 weeks ago. But, perhaps I couldn't really do a review of this CD after immediately listening to it anyway (as I've done with other tBS releases) since most of the songs on it are already familiar to me. So, if you wanted my first impressions on some of these recordings, you needed to ask me up to about 2 years ago, not 3 weeks ago. Despite my familiarity with most of this release already, this CD is definitely not an unwelcome addition to my collection. From a my own personal, collector-based, and somewhat anal retentive standpoint (you know the joke phase "Does "anal retentive" have a hyphen it it?" - when I first heard that, I had to wonder . . . but, perhaps I'm sharing too much), I want to have every song my favorite artists ever released for public consumption on a CD. So, while most of tBS "Pull the Plug" and all of their "Career of Christmas" fanclub-only cassette releases are on this CD, I'm glad to have them there. Up until this point, I had played the cassettes somewhat infrequently (compared to the amount of airtime my tBS CDs have received), partially out of fear that they would eventually wear out and I might be forever deprived of listening to those recordings again. So, now I'm both happy to have these recordings on CD, and hoping that the two songs from "Pull the Plug" that didn't make it to the CD ("Frenchette" and "Lady of the Harbor") will eventually turn up on a *Malpractise 2* some time down the line (I suspect that tBS might be inclined to turn out another fanclub cassette some time in the future that will need inclusion on a CD, or maybe a few live tunes, and let us not forget the rare, but smoking version of BOC's "Dominance and Submission" that Albert and Joe Bouchard recorded with Mike Watt a few years ago). And, of course, there is the sonic advantage of having these songs on CD - the dynamic range is so much better, emphasizing both the heaviness of the guitars on a song like "Ciudades Y Navides" and the subtleties of Deb's vocals on "Name Your Monster". But, enough of my rambling - on to the songs: Needle Gun - One of two Hawkwind cover songs, and one of two songs I had absolutely know prior knowlege of. This song rocks! Menacing vocals by Deb (verses) and Al (chorus) over basically a two-chord song (yeah, there's a few breaks which have a few more, but this song mainly oscillates between two chords with some cool descending bass riffs thrown in). This is a great straight-ahead rocker that makes a great opening to this CD, and has been used as a tBS set opener as well. The Brain Surgeons do many things right - here they show that they know how to get things going. Oh, and I like the little recording at the beginning of the song where someone appears to be calling a record store or radio station asking for information about a song called "This Ain't the Summer of Love" - those Brain Surgeons are so silly sometimes... Ciudades Y Navidades - Ah, "Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll" the way it was meant to be played. In Spanish, you ask? Well, I was referring to the instrumentation. While this song is still a staple in BOC's live show, they have changed it in a way that I find is untrue to the original. Think about the start of the song - how does it go? There's 3 notes on the guitars (F# - A - F#) and _before_ the rest of the signature guitar riff (which I won't transcribe here) there is (and this is the part that BOC seems to have forgotten) that characteristic, somewhat ominous "ba bum ba-BUM" on the bass drum -- for me, this drum part has always been part of the main riff of the song - yes, it's a different instrument, but it is still essential to the song's feel. So, here tBS deliver instrumentally very true to the original with a few twists - one being the guitar solo is played over the signature riff played up in a different key, the other being the "Night of the 1,000 Guitars" bit (from tBS's *Trepanation*) thrown in against the backdrop of of tBS's Holiday message, "Feliz Navidad con Rock and Roll". Hassan I Sahba - The other Hawkwind cover, and the song that I suspect that the late Robert "Rudy" Rudich especially wanted tBS to cover. While I don't fully understand the lyrics or the title, this song instrumentally is very heavy, and would have fit very nicely on either of the last two tBS releases, *Box of Hammers* (making a nice compliment to "'Lil Egypt") or *Trepanation* (which has a heavier, more guitar-oriented sound). TBS have covered several non-BOC songs over the years, and this one may be their strongest yet. Career of Evil - A smoother, more sinister-sounding version than the one BOC recorded over 20 years ago. While Deb's vocals are excellent (when she screams, "You're mine for the taking!" I get the shivers - a career of evil indeed), the CD has brought out Albert's more subtle backing vocals and harmonies that I hadn't particularly noticed on the "Career of Christmas" cassette. Language of Love - Very true to the original, although more acoustic (as all the songs from the "Pull the Plug" tape were done). Again, the rendition to CD brings out the subtleties of the backing harmonies. A nice change of gears - Deb was just screaming about her career of evil, and now she's looking for a kiss (and will probably get it too). The only thing missing is the "Legendary Albertron". The Girl That Love Made Blind - As pointed out, this rendition is markedly different than the song demoed for *Imaginos*. No longer a waltz, and now sung by Deb, the character of the song has changed to the point that it isn't really fair to compare them - they are two distinct songs. But, if I were to compare them, I like the verses of the *Imaginos* mix better (where Albert sings very emotionally - somewhat uncharacteristic of his other vocal performances), yet I like the choruses of this new version better (which bounce along nicely as Deb sings of Christmas time). Death Valley Nights - A song which BOC left for dead years ago, tBS gave it new life a few years back in their live sets with Al on guitar and lead vocals, and Deb handling the drums. This "Pull the Plug" rendition is very true to the way they do it live, and it is excellent. A bit different from the original, which included some great piano backround and a little leaping bass figure thrown in on the verses that I liked, this rendition better fits the style of tBS (who don't regularly employ a keyboardist on the road). A real treat for the long-time fan. Name Your Monster - My favorite song from *Eponymous* has received quite the different treatment from tBS here. I was initially surprised by how well this hard rocking, semi-punk number came across when rendered on acoustic instruments. In some ways, the guitar parts sound much less impressive than when they're played on electrics with the amps on 11, and in other ways, it is interesting to here some subtleties that can't be experienced when the amps are on 11, the band is rocking, and the beers I've had at the club waiting for tBS to open their set with this numer kick in. But, what makes this rendition so cool are Deb's vocals. Where the original vocals came screaming at me, here they are at times almost whispered in a way that is enticing and seductive. When she coos, "Die with me Henry, we're goin' down", I'm thinking, "Whatever you say..." Luckily, the band gives me a chance to calm down as they stretch out a nice little instrumental soloing section at the end (Billy Hilfiger, Peter Bohovesky, and David Hirschberg really shine quite nicely here), followed by some downright silliness - well, Al mentioned that the "Pull the Plug" songs were done in an atmosphere where "we goofed around a lot, drank a few beers, ate some food and recorded some tunes". The ending of this recording shows us how much fun tBS are. Makes you wish they'd drop by your house sometime... Baby Ice Dog - A BOC song which never grabbed me much until I heard tBS do it. This song, recorded over 20 years ago by BOC, benefits by the heavier guitar sound (with a very driving and prominent bass) that tBS employ in the 90s. While tBS show at many times that they can be subtle, this isn't one of them. It's time to rock - and how can you be subtle when the fourth word in the song is "bitch", anyway? This rendition sounds as good today as it did when I first heard tBS 3 years ago in a little club in Boston - the first BOC song I heard tBS cover. Tour Spiel - Well, I may be one of the relatively few tBS fans who already have this recording on CD (when I heard about this song appearing on the Minutemen tribute CD *Our Band Could Be Your Life*, I quickly tracked it down, despite knowing next to nothing of the Minutemen), so this wasn't really a "new" one for me, but I suspect that it is for many who pick up *Malpractise*. While the song has been re-mixed slightly, I find it very close to the version Deb and the Bouchard Brothers recorded for the tribute CD. The main differences are a few more effects thrown in, and the mix seems a bit cleaner. A nice heavy guitar sound that fits nicely with The Brain Surgeons style, with lyrics paying homage to "Albert's old band". I Am The One You Warned Me Of - One of my favorite songs from *Imaginos*, I did worry that an acoustic rendition of this song would not be particularly to my liking. However, my fears were soon put aside - despite it's acoustic nature, this song is very true to the original instrumentally. I'd say Albert's vocals are also true to the original, although most people familiar with *Imaginos* would question this logic as Eric Bloom of BOC sings the vocal on the released album. However, I have been fortunate enough to have heard some of Albert's mixes for the album that were made when he was doing *Imaginos* as a solo project. So, when I say "true to the original", I'm referring to Albert's mixes, not the BOC album. I don't know that I have a preference to Eric Bloom or Albert Bouchard singing this song, but they are quite a bit different, and it's nice to now have this other version on CD. Astronomy - An acoustic rendition of the original version, this song features a sparkling vocal rendition by Deb. This version of the song feels very dreamy, almost giving a "drifting away" ending feel to the CD, which is a nice constrast with its hard-hitting start. This is also another song which features some distintive guitar-work. While I may often point out Deb and Al's more obvious contributions to this band, I'm sure that they would be first to admit that they have three other very talented individuals in the band. This song is a fine example of what Billy, Pete, and Dave bring to the Brain Surgeons. All in all, this album ranks probably at about a 9 out of 10 for me - I'd also say that *Eponymous* ranks a 9 while *Trepanation* and *Box of Hammers* rank as 10. Consistent, high-quality stuff from a band that leaves me hungry for more. Final comment - while I'm not one to buy CDs based on cover art, the cover of *Malpractise* is my least favorite. Steve Brodner draws some cool stuff for tBS (*Trepanation* easily being the best), this one isn't quite on par with the others. While I like the picture and how it ties with the album title (showing someone with a nose sewn to the side of their face), the black and grey on white background (where the other tBS covers are color images on black background) gives the cover an unfinished appearance. But, that's picking nits, and certainly doesn't diminish from this sonic gem. Do yourself a favor - buy this album! John Swartz From davmor at DELTANET.COM Wed Jan 14 11:19:41 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:19:41 -0800 Subject: HW: whither www.hawkwind.com? Message-ID: I've made several attempts to connect over the the last two weeks. Each time I do, I too am told that www.hawkwind.com cannot be found. What's the good word on this? A really great web-site that I found that has some great spacerock links is "Aural Innovations". I guess most of you on this list have it bookmarked already, but for those of us somehow who missed it: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl E. Anderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 4:22 AM Subject: HW: whither www.hawkwind.com? > Has www.hawkwind.com vaporized? I just tried to connect and was told >the DNS couldn't find it. Has this been going on for some time, or is it >one of those temporary vanishings? > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 14 12:11:02 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:11:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <199801131426.OAA12544@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801131426.OAA12544 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Does it have a line: "I lost my heart to a starship trooper..." ? No, that's Sarah Brightman and Hot Gossip's "I lost my Heart to a etc." Abba kick ass tune went "Super Trooper lights are gonna find me etc. "Soo (pah-pah) Troo (pah-pah!)" > >Or is that just a fiendish experiment to see who can't get the tune out >of their heads for a week? Or sometimes years. It's like a disease. -- Jon From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Jan 14 12:29:43 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:29:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers (was Classic Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- On 14 Jan 12:12, Ola Nyberg wrote: > Dave wrote: > Hi, I have a question so I come out of lurking. Do you know about a CD called Live & Rare: Onward Flies the Bird? It looks like a kind of "Best of Hawkwind". Endre From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Jan 14 13:07:21 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:07:21 +0100 Subject: HW: whither www.hawkwind.com? In-Reply-To: <002601bd2108$39ff2780$0adddedf@spock.dmsgalh.com> Message-ID: At 08:19 14.01.98 -0800, you wrote: >I've made several attempts to connect over the the last two weeks. >Each time I do, I too am told that www.hawkwind.com cannot be >found. What's the good word on this? I've been told by Star_Rats that www.hawkwind.com will be again online in the next couple of days. The reason for beeing offline were problems with the server where the site is located Bernhard From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 14 12:56:59 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:56:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: Actually, I got both of these comments from an interview with MM in The Illustrated Guide to Hawkwind by Robert Godwin (came as part of a Hawks boxed set). And I meant 'Winds of Limbo' instead of the Fireclown: and I'm not too sure on the dates on this one to be honest (neither's MM for that matter)! Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 14 January 1998 09:48 Subject: Re: OFF: Lyrical SF >Kevin Perry wrote: > >> Floyd's 'Set the controls for the heart of the sun' is meant to be >> based on >> MM's Fireclown. > >For some reason, I thought this was the other way around:) I could very >well be totally incorrect. > >> And Deep Purple have categorically denied (:-)) that >> Stormbringer is MM influenced. > >I would need to hear this first:) This has been a truly intersting >thread.Rock on! >Pam > > >-- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" >E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com >http://www.TransWestTaxi.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jan 14 13:38:25 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:38:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Live & Rare Message-ID: It is a best of... but hasn't been officially sanctioned by the band - ie. they don't get money for it! At least that's what a report from their manager said. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Endre Zsoldos To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 14 January 1998 18:00 Subject: HW: Live & Rare >Hi, > >I have a question so I come out of lurking. Do you know >about a CD called Live & Rare: Onward Flies the Bird? >It looks like a kind of "Best of Hawkwind". > >Endre > From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Wed Jan 14 13:40:43 1998 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:40:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Live & Rare Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: >It is a best of... but hasn't been officially sanctioned by the band - ie. >they don't get money for it! So that's why CD Zone deleted it from their list. Endre From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 14 18:29:31 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:29:31 GMT Subject: HW: Live & Rare In-Reply-To: Endre Zsoldos's message of Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:40:43 +0100 Message-ID: Endre Zsoldos writes: > Kevin Perry wrote: > > >It is a best of... but hasn't been officially sanctioned by the band - ie. > >they don't get money for it! > > So that's why CD Zone deleted it from their list. If I remember correctly all the tracks (with one exception) were taken from Acid Daze 1,2 or 3. If you have these three albums you will have almost all the "compilation" tracks that are issued these days under the Hawkwind name. Apparently the rights to the Acid Daze tracks were sold by the original company and the new purchaser no longer has to pay any royalties to the band (or something like that). This is probably one of the reasons why Brock elected to set up his own record company. It's sometimes worth checking the Codex (available from Sonique's web page or the archives) before buying a compilation to see how often the tracks on it have been reissued and where they came from originally. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jan 14 20:26:58 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:26:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Live & Rare In-Reply-To: <199801142329.XAA22755@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 23:29 14.01.98 GMT, jill strobridge wrote: >If I remember correctly all the tracks (with one exception) is this the actual *rare* track then? :) Christian From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 14 23:43:39 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:43:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Info from the UK please In-Reply-To: <199801121740.RAA08098@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok this is just a general query.....I am probably going to be relocating to the UK within the next 6-12 months, and I am looking for general information on ISP's, phone usage and things of that sort......can some of you kind souls over there help me out? Soon I too can bitch about the lack of BOC shows over there.....but on the other hand maybe someone can convince me to attend a HW gig! ;-) replies to email please: TIA Ted talger at pipeline.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 15 04:42:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:42:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Live & Rare In-Reply-To: <9801141759.AA00978@ogyalla.konkoly.hu.konkoly.hu> Message-ID: In article <9801141759.AA00978 at ogyalla.konkoly.hu.konkoly.hu>, Endre Zsoldos writes >Hi, > >I have a question so I come out of lurking. Do you know >about a CD called Live & Rare: Onward Flies the Bird? >It looks like a kind of "Best of Hawkwind". > >Endre And in addition to it being unsanctioned (as opposed to unlicensed) it is in fact a "worst of HW". OK, it may have it's better moments **if** you are already into the band **and** you already have everything else, but it's one to avoid unless you have to have one of everything. :) -- Jon ObMORE - Can I have some more Spacemen 3 CD's now, please? From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 15 10:31:33 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:31:33 -0600 Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion Message-ID: > While Deb's vocals are excellent (when she screams, "You're mine for the taking!" I get the shivers - a career of evil indeed), Good review John. You touch on an excellent point, tBS' secret weapon, Deb. Amazing how easily she can bounce from "demonic screams" to sultry diva. >Death Valley Nights - A song which BOC left for dead years ago Rightfully so. This is a song that does not fit the current rendition of BOC. There is no one in the current lineup that could sing it or Vera Gemini for that matter. I don't want to sound overly critical of the Oysterboys but a lot of the "stale setlist" can be traced to their inability to do certain vocals. The music isn't the problem, its the vocals. Sure some of Albert songs have been adapted by Eric over the years and he does a decent job on them but certain songs really require the right vocals. DVN, Vera and to a lesser extent CoF and D&S fall into this category (IMHO). tBS on the other hand can handle BOC vocals, the majority of them, easily. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 15 10:01:06 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:01:06 EDT Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > >Death Valley Nights - A song which BOC left for dead years ago > > Rightfully so. This is a song that does not fit the current rendition > of BOC. There is no one in the current lineup that could sing it or > Vera Gemini for that matter. I don't want to sound overly critical of > the Oysterboys but a lot of the "stale setlist" can be traced to their > inability to do certain vocals. The music isn't the problem, its the or the inability of a certain singer to do ANY vocals! at least audible vocals... > vocals. Sure some of Albert songs have been adapted by Eric over the > years and he does a decent job on them but certain songs really require You mean back in the days when EB actually sang at BOC shows? EB used to do a decent job on D&S [in fact they did it at a show I saw last summer and he did an impressive [given his current state] job on it], though CoF will always be Al's song. Period... > the right vocals. DVN, Vera and to a lesser extent CoF and D&S fall > into this category (IMHO). tBS on the other hand can handle BOC vocals, > the majority of them, easily. > > Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, > lil' ab. Fair enough, but for all the shit I dump on EB, he always used to hold his own as a frontman, and in the old days, could sing with the best of them. Currently, he seems to 'be on sabbatical forever...' theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 15 13:59:52 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:59:52 PST Subject: OFF: Starship Troopers and a connection to the Tick Message-ID: >A. Apold" writes >>lessee, anyone got nominations for best use of a non-original (i.e., >>not written for the movie) song in a movie? The Einst?rzende Neubauten tracks used in Dr Moreau's Island. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 15 14:13:32 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:13:32 PST Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order Message-ID: The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert Is deification out of the question for this man?? I'd even build an altar of vinyl. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 15 14:20:27 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:20:27 PST Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: > >Tell you what though, with all this Sarah Brightman, Elton John >etc..it's made me realise that most SF in Rock is a lot of old bollocks. >:) I mean, It needn't be, but it seems to have turned out that way. > >-- >Jon > Too Troo! But why is it that the only effective & successful space-rockers are the ones who give you space-music with space-sound before they give you the space-words? I'd have thought that this is obviously the only way to do it, but so few people seem to have gotten the point. "Somewhere in Time" by Iron Maiden. Yes, it's cod-metal, but a fairly sci-fi set of themes. Did it feel futuristic or interstellar-spacial???? My arse it did, just like almost everyone else who tries it on. Hawks can't be whipped at this one. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 15 14:42:43 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:42:43 GMT Subject: HW: Jill! In-Reply-To: herbert rosenberg's message of Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:28:27 -0800 Message-ID: Hi Charlie herbert rosenberg writes: > Sorry to post this publicly, but my private notes seem to arrive at Jill's private address either garbled or not at all... > Just checking! I've replied to both your messages - this one and your private mail. Did they get to you ok? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 15 13:43:05 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:43:05 EDT Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order In-Reply-To: <19980115191332.5830.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will > tell if the riddle will begin. > > -- Albert > > Is deification out of the question for this man?? I'd even build an > altar of vinyl. > The question is: Why have a Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame and not induct the man behind the rock 'n' roll national anthem Cities on Flame... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 15 15:13:36 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:13:36 -0500 Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order Message-ID: >The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will >tell if the riddle will begin. > > -- Albert > >Is deification out of the question for this man?? I'd even build an >altar of vinyl. Place in an temple with vinyl siding. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 15 14:13:47 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:13:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <19980115192027.7054.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > > Too Troo! But why is it that the only effective & successful > space-rockers are the ones who give you space-music with space-sound > before they give you the space-words? > I'd have thought that this is obviously the only way to do it, but so > few people seem to have gotten the point. > "Somewhere in Time" by Iron Maiden. Yes, it's cod-metal, but a fairly > sci-fi set of themes. Did it feel futuristic or > interstellar-spacial???? My arse it did, just like almost everyone else > who tries it on. > Hawks can't be whipped at this one. > > Chris. > How do you rate Pearlman-era BOC by these standards? Space words, definitely; space music, from time to time; space sound, open to interpretation. Christian, care to comment? theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 15 15:23:37 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:23:37 -0500 Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order Message-ID: >> Is deification out of the question for this man?? I'd even build an >> altar of vinyl. >> >The question is: Why have a Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame and not >induct the man behind the rock 'n' roll national anthem Cities on >Flame... There was no room after they added the Rush wing of the hall.... (ducking for cover)... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 15 15:40:57 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:40:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <9735F578C3@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 15:13 15.01.98 EDT, theo wrote: >How do you rate Pearlman-era BOC by these standards? Space words, >definitely; space music, from time to time; space sound, open to >interpretation. Christian, care to comment? Indeed I do, my good Theodore. Veteran of The Thousand Psychic Wars is the most awesome spacey BOC tune I can think of (and a personal fave, hehe), and I'd also put Flaming Telepaths, Godzilla and Black Blade up there as BOC tunes with both the lyrical side and musical SF/spacyness very much in place (tho maybe a far cry from HW at their spaciest!). But then I only own two BOC comps and Live 76! next? Christian ObCD: Robyn Hitchcock - Moss Elixir > >theo > >................................... >"I told you not to be stupid..." >--Ben S. > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 15 14:50:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:50:57 EDT Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order In-Reply-To: <199801152023.PAA23817@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >> > >The question is: Why have a Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame and not > >induct the man behind the rock 'n' roll national anthem Cities on > >Flame... > > There was no room after they added the Rush wing of the hall.... > > (ducking for cover)... Well, that explains everything...A worthy addition it was... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 15 15:52:11 1998 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (RBrent1044) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:52:11 EST Subject: AB for the Head of the New Order Message-ID: I think that the Albert Bouchard Alcove would fit quite nicely adjacent to the Alex, Geddy, and Neil Shrines near the Rush Wing. Robert (hold your fire!) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 15 16:20:16 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:20:16 -0500 Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion Message-ID: >Good review John. You touch on an excellent point, tBS' secret weapon, Deb. Amazing how easily she can bounce from "demonic screams" to sultry diva. Well, if you've experienced tBS either live or on CD, she's hardly "secret" ;-) >>Death Valley Nights - A song which BOC left for dead years ago >Rightfully so. This is a song that does not fit the current rendition of BOC. There is no one in the current lineup that could sing it or Vera Gemini for that matter. Good point. My point was that the original line-up left it for dead, as oppossed to the current lineup. It certainly could've been done live back in '77 to '81. Vera Gemini is another matter - only had Patti Smith had been available would this probably have been a possibility. >I don't want to sound overly critical of the Oysterboys but a lot of the "stale setlist" can be traced to their inability to do certain vocals. The music isn't the problem, its the vocals. Sure some of Albert songs have been adapted by Eric over the years and he does a decent job on them but certain songs really require the right vocals. I agree with that up to a point. However, there are plenty of songs in the catalog originally sung by Buck or Eric that could be worked into the setlists. I think the real problem with stale setlists with BOC has little to do with not having the Bouchard Brothers around to sing them anymore. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 15 16:24:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:24:34 -0500 Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion Message-ID: >or the inability of a certain singer to do ANY vocals! at least audible vocals... Now now Theo, Allen CAN sing . . . ;-) >You mean back in the days when EB actually sang at BOC shows? Yeah, I knew that's what you were getting at. Last reports I heard (about 2 months ago) were that EB's vocals were better, and he had a few more songs to sing again. Let's hope that trend continues. >EB used to do a decent job on D&S [in fact they did it at a show I saw last summer and he did an impressive [given his current state] job on it], though CoF will always be Al's song. Period... I don't mind EB's vocals on CoF - it is Al's DRUMMING that is sorely missed on CoF these days in BOC. Besides, CoF is such an "anthem" type song, where the whole crowd sings along, that it doesn't matter as much who's singing it. > Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, > lil' ab. Forgot to mention this - great quote! John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 15 16:41:19 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:41:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980115214057.030d8b4c@online.no> Message-ID: At 21:40 15.01.98 +0100, I wrote: >Veteran of The Thousand Psychic Wars is the >most awesome spacey BOC tune I can think of (and a personal fave, hehe), >and I'd also put Flaming Telepaths, one thing, the lyrics here aren't sf at all but the music has a certain spacyness... another little lyrical BOC gem :) Hell, Astronomy is pretty spacey too. And some of that long psych jam on Live 1976! Christian ObErrrm...: Black Sabbath - Never Say Die! From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Thu Jan 15 22:51:34 1998 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:51:34 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: Dear John, Thanks for your review of "Malpractise". I'm sorry to say that I haven't heard BOC since the Fox Theater performance that fell into the "Some Enchanted Evening" album and I've never heard tBS. Regardless of your review, I was planning on buying "Malpractise". (BTW, in healthcare, we prefer the term, "Whoops". This supplanted "Oh, shit" which seem to skew things in favor of the plaintiff at trial. "Whoops", well, we've all whoops at one time or another--haven't we?) And yes, anal-retentive is hyphenated, not like I'd know or anything like that, but my 10 volume Oxford English dictionary and four supplements reports this. Richard From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Jan 15 23:30:50 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:30:50 EST Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-15 16:23:50 EST, you write: << Vera Gemini is another matter - only had Patti Smith had been available would this probably have been a possibility. >> Although tBS could do a terrific version of this song...Deb does a remarkable Patti Smith impression! Even the completely unrehearsed version they performed last time they were down this way sounded pretty good...I could only imagine how powerful it could be! I hear they performed this song a few times in the past... Those of you fortunate enough to experience it: how was it? SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Jan 15 23:35:01 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:35:01 EST Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-15 22:43:28 EST, you write: << And yes, anal-retentive is hyphenated, not like I'd know or anything like that, but my 10 volume Oxford English dictionary and four supplements reports this. Richard >> Okay, but I bet it spells "color" with a "u," too...:-) SET From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jan 16 00:41:14 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:41:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: >At 21:40 15.01.98 +0100, I wrote: > >>Veteran of The Thousand Psychic Wars is the >>most awesome spacey BOC tune I can think of (and a personal fave, hehe), >>and I'd also put Flaming Telepaths, > >one thing, the lyrics here aren't sf at all but the music has a certain >spacyness... another little lyrical BOC gem :) Flaming Telepaths... not sf? c'mon, it may not be in space but that doesn't mean it's sf. Experiments involving alterations into psi? That could be Alfred Bester, Scanners, Babylon 5, etc... very sf... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater = Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jan 16 01:09:12 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:09:12 EST Subject: AB in the Head for the New Ordure Message-ID: > Is deification out of the question for this man?? I don't think Albert's intestinal difficulties are a fit topic for discussion here. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 16 03:13:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:13:02 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: On tor 15 jan 1998 23.35 +0000 StevenTice wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-15 22:43:28 EST, you write: > << And yes, anal-retentive is hyphenated, not like I'd know or anything like > that, but my 10 volume Oxford English dictionary and four supplements > reports this. > > Okay, but I bet it spells "color" with a "u," too...:-) Actually, I strongly suspect the OED notes the American variant "color" under its "colour" entry, and marks it as the standard American spelling. The OED could be improved, but it is pretty hot shit as it is. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 16 03:14:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:14:33 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: On tor 15 jan 1998 22.51 -0500 "Richard Manny" wrote: > Regardless of your > review, I was planning on buying "Malpractise". (BTW, in healthcare, we > prefer the term, "Whoops". This supplanted "Oh, shit" which seem to skew > things in favor of the plaintiff at trial. "Whoops", well, we've all whoops > at one time or another--haven't we?) ROTFL! > And yes, anal-retentive is hyphenated, not like I'd know or anything like > that, but my 10 volume Oxford English dictionary and four supplements > reports this. Some day, when/if I have a salary, I will get the CD-ROM version. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 16 06:07:49 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:07:49 GMT Subject: Please Ignore except for: [herbert rosenberg: Re: Jill!] Message-ID: Help!! Hi Charlie This seems to be the only way I can contact you! Your private message came through fine and I replied to it. Your two messages on the Hawkwind list came through fine and I replied to the second one. I guess you must have answered it because the following piece of Enigma coding awaited me this morning. I wish I knew what was happening here 8-( confusedly jill ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From chuck at genesisnetwork.net Fri Jan 16 08:40:33 1998 > Received: from webb.genesisnetwork.net (webb.genesisnetwork.net [206.170.76.2]) > by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27408 > for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:40:32 GMT > Received: from herbrose ([153.34.81.176]) by webb.genesisnetwork.net > (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) > ID# 0-43236U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA141 > for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:43:16 -0800 > From: chuck at genesisnetwork.net (herbert rosenberg) > To: "J Strobridge" > Subject: Re: Jill! > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:40:47 -0800 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Message-ID: <19980116084315335.AAA141 at herbrose> > Status: RO > > SGksIEppbGwuDQoNCj4gDQo+IA0KPiBJdCdzIG9rIC0geW91J3JlIGdldHRpbmcgdGhyb3VnaCBm > aW5lIG5vdyEgICAgVGhlIHByZXZpb3VzIG1haWwgbWF5IGhhdmUNCj4gYm91bmNlZCBiZWNhdXNl > IHRoZSBQb3dlcnMgVGhhdCBCZSBwdXQgdGhlIG1haW5mcmFtZSBkb3duIGFsbCBTYXR1cmRheS4g > DQo+IEl0J3MgYmFjayB1cCBub3cgYW5kIHNob3VsZCBiZSByZXNwb25kaW5nIC0gaG9wZWZ1bGx5 > Lg0KPiANCg0KUHJhaXNlIGJlIQ0KDQo+ID4gPiBKaWxsLCBJIGhhdmUgdGhvc2UgdHdvIEdyaWZm > aW4gV2FycmlvcnMgeW91IGFza2VkIGZvci4gRG8geW91IHN0aWxsIHdhbnQgdGhlbT8NCj4gPiA+ > DQo+ID4gPiBUaGFua3MsIENoYXJsaWUNCj4gPiANCj4gPiBSZXNwb25kaW5nIHRvIG15c2VsZi4u > Lg0KPiA+IA0KPiA+IEkganVzdCB1bndyYXBwZWQgYW5kIHBsYXllZCBib3RoIENEcy4uLm9uZSBp > cyBIVywgb25lIGlzIFBlbmRyYWdvbi4NCj4gDQo+IA0KPiBJJ2xsIHN0aWxsIHRha2UgYm90aCAt > IGRlZmluaXRlbHkgc28gaW4gZmFjdCAgOC0pKSkpDQo+IHVubGVzcyB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byBrZWVw > IG9uZSB5b3Vyc2VsZiAtIGluIHdoaWNoIGNhc2UgcGxlYXNlIGRvIHRoaXMuICAgSQ0KPiBjb21w > bGV0ZWx5IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQhDQo+IA0KDQpOb3BlLCBJJ20gdW5sb2FkaW5nIHRoZW0gYm90aC4g > DQoNCk9rYXk6IFRoZXkgd2VyZSBmaXZlIGRvbGxhcnMgYXBpZWNlLCB0aGF0J3MgODAgY2VudHMg > dGF4Li4uYW5kIHdoYXQgd291bGQgdGhlIFMmSCBiZT8gNyBkb2xsYXJzPyBPciBpcyB0aGF0IHRv > byBtdWNoPyA0IG1heWJlPw0KDQpXZWxsLCB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIG1ha2UgaXQgZWl0aGVyIDE1IGRv > bGxhcnMsIG9yIDE4Li4ub3Igd2UgY291bGQgYWx3YXlzIHJvdW5kIG9mZiB0byB0aGUgbmVhcmVz > dCB1bml0IG9mIDEwLi4uIDopIFdoYXQgd2l0aCB0aGUgZ2FzIGZvciBkcml2aW5nIHRoZXJlIGFu > ZCBhbGwuLi4gOikNCg0KQ2hhcmxpZQ0KDQphZGR5OiAxMTkgTmFuZXR0ZSBTdC4NClJlZGxhbmRz > LCBDYS4gOTIzNzMgDQpVLlMuQS4NCg0KSSB0aGluayBJIHN0aWxsIGhhdmUgeW91ciBhZGRyZXNz > Li4uDQoNCg== > ---- End of forwarded text ---- ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 16 07:04:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:04:27 EDT Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion In-Reply-To: <199801152120.QAA02006@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >I don't want to sound overly critical of > the Oysterboys but a lot of the "stale setlist" can be traced to their > inability to do certain vocals. The music isn't the problem, its the > vocals. Sure some of Albert songs have been adapted by Eric over the > years and he does a decent job on them but certain songs really require > the right vocals. > > I agree with that up to a point. However, there are plenty of songs in > the catalog originally sung by Buck or Eric that could be worked into the > setlists. I think the real problem with stale setlists with BOC has > little to do with not having the Bouchard Brothers around to sing them > anymore. > > John I think the stale setlist is due to the ad hoc nature of the band's career. I don't think they have a lot of lead time for gigs. Also, to work up new songs takes rehearsal. Renting a loft, traveling to get there etc. BOC's been doing this for so long, it probably isn't a big picnic to rehearse when you've already got a strong set of stuff nailed down. Let s face it, these guys are older now, with families etc. Probably don't want to spend their spare time playing more music. Trouble is, that's what professional musicians are supposed to do--that's their job! 'Also, I think they figure that most people come to see them out of curiosity, as a novelty act maybe, so perhaps the band doesn't think they get a lot of repeat business, aside from all us, so that nobody will know the setlist is stale? You'd think they'd know better, but given the way the group's been mismanaged the last 10 years, anything's possible... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 16 08:05:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:05:41 PST Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: >> sci-fi set of themes. Did it feel futuristic or >> interstellar-spacial???? My arse it did, just like almost everyone else >> who tries it on. >> Hawks can't be whipped at this one. >> >> Chris. >> >How do you rate Pearlman-era BOC by these standards? Space words, >definitely; space music, from time to time; space sound, open to >interpretation. Christian, care to comment? > >theo > I know some of the themes were spacial, more of them were cerebral-fantasy, but a good deal of them were social commentary based pretty firmly in the here and now. The music just always seemed to me to be good rock'n'roll with enough of a quirky edge (nutty drums, wild lyrics, choice live japes) to make it really interesting and addictive. IMHO BOC never seemed Spacey musically, yeah, they had a few atmospheric spots, eg. Workshop of the Telescopes, Flaming Telepaths, She's As Beautiful As A Foot, etc.. The SpaceRock thing, to me, is when you can close your eyes and 5 seconds later you are a free-floating consciousness in the inter-stellar reaches. Who knows? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 16 08:46:15 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:46:15 -0600 Subject: tBS Secret Weapon / BOC Stale Setlist Message-ID: >Well, if you've experienced tBS either live or on CD, she's hardly "secret" ;-) True. But to those who step into a bar just for someplace to go on a Friday night and have the pleasure of hearing the band for the first time, I imagine many do a double take when they hear the two disticnt styles. >>Death Valley Nights - A song which BOC left for dead years ago >Rightfully so. This is a song that does not fit the current rendition of BOC. There is no one in the current lineup that could sing it or Vera Gemini for that matter. >Good point. My point was that the original line-up left it for dead, as oppossed to the current lineup. It certainly could've been done live back in '77 to '81. Vera Gemini is another matter - only had Patti Smith had been available would this probably have been a possibility. OK point well taken and misinterpreted by me. Shame, I like DVN a lot. >I don't want to sound overly critical of the Oysterboys but >I agree with that up to a point. However, there are plenty of songs in the catalog originally sung by Buck or Eric that could be worked into the setlists. I think the real problem with stale setlists with BOC has little to do with not having the Bouchard Brothers around to sing them anymore. Valid point again. Plenty of material both Buck and Eric could cover with no valid excuses (made publicly) as to why they don't. But I would disagree on our last point here, there is a substantial portion of the libray missing becuse the Bouchard brothers are no longer a part of the band. BTW, remind me not to play tennis with you, I hate losing but cannot tolerate losing badly. 8>). Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Jan 16 09:49:06 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:49:06 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: Now Carl, I would have thought you'd been at Cambridge long enough now to know that the words Oxford and "hot-shit" should never ever be used in the same sentence ;-) (although a portion of the phrase is quite alright) Steve L. > > << And yes, anal-retentive is hyphenated, not like I'd know or anything > like > > that, but my 10 volume Oxford English dictionary and four supplements > > reports this. > > > > Okay, but I bet it spells "color" with a "u," too...:-) > > Actually, I strongly suspect the OED notes the American variant > "color" under its "colour" entry, and marks it as the standard American > spelling. The OED could be improved, but it is pretty hot shit as it is. > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jan 16 10:05:10 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:05:10 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Brownies Message-ID: How many BOC-Lers are planning to be at this show? I haven't traveled to the city for past Surgeons shows, but this one is definately going to be special. I also read on the Web yesterday that a lot of music industry types like to go there to check out the bands. Maybe Cellsum is trying to promote its bands to them at this show? Or maybe they just want to burn down the house with a gargantuan line-up of smoking RnR bands? Any thoughts? Brian obCD> Blotto "Collected Works" From makmorn at QIS.NET Fri Jan 16 10:07:52 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:07:52 -0500 Subject: tBS reveiw,an Opinion In-Reply-To: <6c5fe8ca.34bee27d@aol.com>; from StevenTice on Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 11:30:50PM -0400 Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 11:30:50PM -0400, StevenTice said: > > << Vera Gemini is another matter - only had Patti Smith > had been available would this probably have been a possibility. >> > > Although tBS could do a terrific version of this song...Deb does a remarkable > Patti Smith impression! Even the completely unrehearsed version they > performed last time they were down this way sounded pretty good...I could only > imagine how powerful it could be! I hear they performed this song a few times > in the past... Those of you fortunate enough to experience it: how was it? Oh man! Would I love to hear that! When are you bringing tBS to Maryland, Al? -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 16 10:20:46 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:20:46 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: My review of *Malpractise* Message-ID: On fre 16 jan 1998 09.49 -0500 "Stephen Lindsey" wrote: > Now Carl, I would have thought you'd been at Cambridge long enough now to know > that the words Oxford and "hot-shit" should never ever be used in the same > sentence ;-) (although a portion of the phrase is quite alright) Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ;) out in the fens, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 16 11:04:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:04:25 -0600 Subject: BOC and The R and R Hall Of Fame Message-ID: >>The question is: Why have a Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame and not > >induct the man behind the rock 'n' roll national anthem Cities on > >Flame... > I don't think you can ask that question to the people on this list, we are too biased. Does anybody here think both Al and Buck do not deserve to be in the hall? Take it further, shouldn't BOC as a band be in the Hall? Would there have been an "American Metal" industry in the 70's - 80's without them? Probably, but this band did lead the charge for America and change the landscape. You can look at any Hall of Fame and find those you feel unworthy of attention. BOC didn't sell 50 million records. They cannot sell out entire stadiums in the 90's like the Stones or Kiss, but they have made other contributions to music. Maybe one day, indivuidually or together, they will be there, I sure hope so. A biased opinion. > There was no room after they added the Rush wing of the hall.... > > (ducking for cover)... >Well, that explains everything...A worthy addition it was... HOWLS, here comes the rush to bash/defend Rush again. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jan 16 11:12:06 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:12:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: <199801160541.AAA09758@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 00:41 16.01.98 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> >>one thing, the lyrics here aren't sf at all but the music has a certain >>spacyness... another little lyrical BOC gem :) > >Flaming Telepaths... not sf? c'mon, it may not be in space >but that doesn't mean it's sf. Experiments involving alterations >into psi? That could be Alfred Bester, Scanners, Babylon 5, >etc... very sf... OK, I guess the sf theme in FT (as IMO most good sf does) is used as a way to address certain things about us all but with the freer reign that sf gives. FT to me just seems to be not very buried in sf imagery aside from the actual title (and Veteran, addressing a similar theme, but under the sf/psi imagery, psychological warfare). The psi thing in FT is IMO a thinly disguised metaphor for drug experimentation gone bad! :) I don't get any particular sf author vibes or heavy "genre feel" in FT really... get down to the nitty gritty of it and any recording of ideas of any kind *is* psi!!! :) So here we go... (not the Black Sword metaphor again!!!) Christian > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 16 13:51:07 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:51:07 -0500 Subject: AB in the Head for the New Ordure Message-ID: >I don't think Albert's intestinal difficulties are a fit topic for discussion here. Hey, Albert's last intestinal difficulty may have been "Debbie Denise", or maybe "You're Not the One I was Looking For"... ;-) John From dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 16 15:38:39 1998 From: dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK (Dag Luterek) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:38:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF Message-ID: In message , c mumford writes >At 21:40 15.01.98 +0100, I wrote: > >>Veteran of The Thousand Psychic Wars is the >>most awesome spacey BOC tune I can think of (and a personal fave, hehe), >>and I'd also put Flaming Telepaths, > >one thing, the lyrics here aren't sf at all but the music has a certain >spacyness... another little lyrical BOC gem :) > >Hell, Astronomy is pretty spacey too. And some of that long psych jam on >Live 1976! I definately agree with you there. 'Astronomy' is the definitive space song when the climax comes it feels like one is being hurled into the depths of hyperspace. 'Screams' is also very spaced, it doesn't make me think of NY but rather some Blade Runner-ish decadent space city. 'Workshop of the Telescopes' is a song that gives me images of some sinister medieval mage/alchemist/astrologist projecting himself through a telescope into space. Maybe John Dee? ;-) Generally though I think that Pearlman deals mostly with extremely surreal tales ready to be interpreted and to unlock hidden meanings. The lyrics often deal with earthly decadence leading to cosmic conscioussnes. Like '7 screaming Diz-Busters' with Eric going about the light being too bright, a tantric journey into the blinding light of the black hole, or sumthin'. Off topic: Are people around these parts familiar with The Groundhogs, a really heavy 60/70's band with really good lyrics. If so, I got 'Thank Christ for the Bomb' and it's great. I need some tips on where to go next. I think they share something with BOC: heavy riffs and some great lyrics. Happy Trailz Dag From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jan 16 15:58:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:58:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: Space Explosion Message-ID: Finally got this this morning - Forced Exposure did send it when the said, but Customs spot-checked it and hung onto it for a couple of weeks. Can't say I blame 'em - it's really good! Space Explosion is kind of a Krautrock supergroup, with members of Amon Duul 2, Faust, Die Krupps, Cluster, and Guru Guru. It's pure Krautrock, hitting a Kosmische vibe from the word go, and tripping spacily through several lengthy instrumentals. If you were thinking about getting this, do it! The one I've got is the Japanese version, which has an extra two-minute track, but the American version is supposed to be out next week (according to CD Now) and will probably be a lot cheaper, for Americans anyway! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jan 16 18:18:47 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:18:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Dag Luterek wrote: > Off topic: Are people around these parts familiar with The Groundhogs, a > really heavy 60/70's band with really good lyrics. If so, I got 'Thank > Christ for the Bomb' and it's great. I need some tips on where to go > next. I think they share something with BOC: heavy riffs and some great > lyrics. Actually, this is less off-topic than you think: Dave Anderson (of early Hawkwind) played with the Groundhogs (circa early '90s), at least he did when I went to see them at the Conwy Civic Centre. (In return, Tony McPhee played on Amon Duul II's _Die Losung_, which also featured Bob Calvert and members of the Ozrics.) Where to go next? Well, nobody's Groundhogs collection can be said to be even *started* unless they have a copy of _Split_! It is quintessential Groundhogs, and includes a cover of John Lee Hooker's "Groundhog Blues" from which the band took its name. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fu Manchu, _In Search Of..._ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri Jan 16 19:42:53 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:42:53 +0000 Subject: Needle Gun! Message-ID: If anyones interested in what the Needle Guns look like in the movie of Final Programme, there's some video captures of various different scenes from the movie at the site below: Frank and Jerrys' Psychosonic Gallery Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 16 10:10:56 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:10:56 +0800 Subject: Off Clancy Brown and SF Books or Moives? Message-ID: >>And indeed - Clancy Brown >>gets to play a good guy! >>Cheers, >>Rich. > >Clancy also played a good guy in Buckaroo Bonzai... > And in that TV show Earth 2. > >>Thrillers are another genre where several successful films have come >from books. I haven't seen many of these, but examples like The >Fugitive >come to mind. > >>SF though, doesn't do so well. Why is this? > >>Some reasons that I can think of: > > >All valid reasons too. I think its the nature of the beast. Get a >great SF book and read it. The story unfolds within you, you make your >own interpretations, paint your own landscape. Give the same book to >Hollywood and Industrial Light and Magic takes this vital element out of >your grasp and places it firmly in the hands of the director, et al. >Now your stuck with someone elses imagination. Tie this into the lowest >common denominator and viola, you'll never please everyone. > The only SF novel that adapted well to the screen that I can think of at this moment in time, is Time Machine. William From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jan 16 23:59:37 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:59:37 EST Subject: Off: OED Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-16 03:07:46 EST, you write: << Actually, I strongly suspect the OED notes the American variant "color" under its "colour" entry, and marks it as the standard American spelling. The OED could be improved, but it is pretty hot shit as it is. >> Well, that was just a joke, of course :-)...and heck, my Webster's Collegiate Dictionary lists "colour" as a "Chiefly Brit. variant".... SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 17 05:47:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:47:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lyrical SF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >Actually, this is less off-topic than you think: Dave Anderson (of early >Hawkwind) played with the Groundhogs (circa early '90s), at least he did >when I went to see them at the Conwy Civic Centre. (In return, Tony >McPhee played on Amon Duul II's _Die Losung_, which also featured Bob >Calvert and members of the Ozrics.) > >Where to go next? Well, nobody's Groundhogs collection can be said to >be even *started* unless they have a copy of _Split_! It is >quintessential Groundhogs, and includes a cover of John Lee Hooker's >"Groundhog Blues" from which the band took its name. and next should be "Who Will Save The World? ... The Mighty Groundhogs!" not least because of it's wonderful fold-out comic book cover by Neal Adams, no less. -- Jon Browne ObGig - I'm up The Verve again tonight, so three days deafness is due with any luck. Still, how loud can it get at Brixton Acadamy? From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Jan 17 12:17:27 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:17:27 -0800 Subject: BOC: Agents of Fortune Message-ID: >From some Internet Metal News thing... > > BLUE OYSTER CULT's 1976 album, Agents Of Fortune has been released by > Mobile Fidelity on 24k gold ultradisc... Charlie From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Sat Jan 17 14:14:40 1998 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:14:40 -0500 Subject: BOC, Imaginos and Club Ninja available Message-ID: Dear Friends, For those of you looking for Imaginos or Club Ninja, I found this listing at the Jart Music site (URL follows). "BLUE OYSTER CULT CLUB NINJA reissue ........13.99 BLUE OYSTER CULT IMAGINOS - UK now deleted in the US......20.99" I've never done business with Jart, so I can't comment on their speed or efficiency. Caveat emptor. http://www.jartmusic.com/jartlst1.htm With best regards, Richard From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sat Jan 17 19:09:04 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:09:04 -0500 Subject: BOC, Imaginos and Club Ninja available In-Reply-To: <01bd237c$29274c00$d6eeaec7@newmicronpc> Message-ID: I've ordered from Jart and they were very prompt with my order. > I've never done business with Jart, so I can't comment on their speed or >efficiency. Caveat emptor. > >http://www.jartmusic.com/jartlst1.htm > >With best regards, >Richard From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jan 17 23:20:26 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:20:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bootleg CD's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, P Worley wrote: > So do you see any difference between making a 'custom mix' on cassette and > making one on a CD? I've recorded a lot of music in various mixes on > cassettes, for myself, for gifts, received them as gifts, etc. > 'Everybody's doing it', which doesn't make it legal or right, but what I'm > wondering is if there is a perceived difference in the legal or moral > implications between doing it on CD vs. a cassette. There is a practical difference: with cassette you get generational and transcriptional loss of fidelity (especially when making copies of copies of copies, etc.). This doesn't happen when copying CDs (if you do it properly). This is why the music business is more afraid of CD [digital] copying (and, I'm sure everyone remembers the brouhaha over DAT and the SCMS "requirement"). The Computer Science department here at Virginia Tech has apparently already received threats from record companies, I hear due to people making copyrighted music available via WWW pages, and by "burning" CD-Rs. > complete it, perfect it, and release it. If there were 'bootleg' or > 'pirate' (the two terms are, I think, legally similar, but have very > different implications) CDs running around, I'd think that would only put "Bootleg" and "pirate" are horses of a very different colour. Bootlegs are unsanctioned releases of material not formally released by the artist in question, whereas pirates are deliberately fraudulent copies of existing legitimate releases (i.e. made to look just like the real thing). I think the terms are legally dissimilar. The former, at best, merely defames the good name and standing of the artist in question (due to low quality being associated with them), whereas the latter is fraud and theft. With the former, loss is debatable (and may have to be proven), whereas with the latter it is obvious. Mind you, what could be said of a bootleg consisting of pirated tracks taken from several different sources? (I.e. where the arrangement was original, but the source not.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Thick As A Brick_ (25th Anniversary remaster) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Every iceberg is afire" --- Sky Cries Mary From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sun Jan 18 03:03:11 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:03:11 -0800 Subject: Polish Postcards Message-ID: Okay Gang, I was discussing Polish Postcard with some today and remembered this message I sent to BOC-L awhile back: >I have two original Polish Postcards. They are both "Silver Machine" and >are hard yellow plastic. I have numerous, 20 or so, of the new type. >There are two types, some are on various colored flimsy plastic sheets in >a clear plastic bag, with a computer(?) generated design, with HW and the >song title. The other type is a actual postcard of various sights in >Poland with the recording applied over it. Both of the newer types came >out over the last three years. It seems the more that I bought the more my >contact in Poland found, I think I was financing an entire record industry, >although they were cheap, on the order of 5 or 6 dollars apiece. I finally >gave up, and now I am just searching for the 1970's issues I don't have. I don't know what drugs I was on the day I wrote it, here is the corrected version. The various colored flimsies are from Russia not Poland. I bought them from a guy in Poland. As far as I know the only "new" Polish Postcards are the on put out on actual picture postcards. Sorry for the confusion, I guess I should look at my collection more often. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Sun Jan 18 08:07:13 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:07:13 +0000 Subject: Summer of Love....Not! In-Reply-To: <0EMY007T9ZZFKC@PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET> Message-ID: Did anyone see the movie "I Know What You Did Last Summer"? I was flipping thru some soundtrack albums in the shops, and noticed that the soundtrack for this film included a cover of "This Ain't The Summer Of Love". I don't remember hearing this in the movie - anyone recall at which point it was played? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jan 18 08:47:01 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:47:01 -0000 Subject: Summer of Love....Not! Message-ID: On Sunday, January 18, 1998 1:07 PM, Hardman DK [SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] wrote: > Did anyone see the movie "I Know What You Did Last Summer"? > I was flipping thru some soundtrack albums in the shops, and noticed that > the soundtrack for this film included a cover of "This Ain't The Summer > Of > Love". By L7, yet... also has a Rick Rubin remix of Type O Negative's mutilation of Seals and Croft's "Summer Breeze", so it looks like it might be worth picking up if it's not too pricey (despite the presence of the deadly Kula Shaker :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jan 18 11:45:24 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:45:24 GMT Subject: Polish Postcards In-Reply-To: john.m.gray's message of Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: john.m.gray writes: > Okay Gang, I was discussing Polish Postcard with some today and remembered > this message I sent to BOC-L awhile back: > > >song title. The other type is a actual postcard of various sights in > >Poland with the recording applied over it. Both of the newer types came > >out over the last three years. It seems the more that I bought the more > >contact in Poland found, I think I was financing an entire record > >industry, although they were cheap, on the order of 5 or 6 dollars > >apiece. I know how you feel about the record industry business! The price has also gone up considerably so either manufacturing costs have increased or the middlemen are getting seriously into profit making! Actually this is becoming high on my list of "Things To Do Soon" have a cheap weekend in Poland and check out if there are any record shops. Does anyone know Warsaw? Does this kind of thing exist? Or is it all people's personal record collections in their back rooms of their houses? > version. The various colored flimsies are from Russia not Poland. I > bought them from a guy in Poland. As far as I know the only "new" Polish > Postcards are the on put out on actual picture postcards. Sorry for the Pretty neat stuff though - I think they look great, although unplayable! jill obBootlegVinyl> Live Al Stewart 8-)) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sun Jan 18 14:09:51 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:09:51 EST Subject: Summer of Love....Not! Message-ID: I saw the movie -- the song wasn't there; neither audible nor listed in the end credits crawl. I guess they just used it to bulk up the soundtrack CD. -Chris Baker From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 18 21:31:19 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Sedler) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:31:19 PST Subject: OFF: Hey, like I'm back Message-ID: Hi Kids!!! Well, just wanted to let you know that I am BACK on this list. The thought of being away ate at me and ate at me and ate at me until I was nothing but an empty shell of a man. I now have a new address set up specifically for BOC-L and other listservs. Both addresses will work if anyone wants to send me hate mail. :^D Anyway, my X-brothers review is complete and you should have it right about......... now. Torgo Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jan 18 21:34:29 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Sedler) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:34:29 PST Subject: The X-Brothers. Solid Citizens Message-ID: The X Brothers- Solid Citizens You know, it's a pretty satisfying thing to not know what you are expecting and end up getting exactly what you wanted. I've been a Blue Oyster Cult fan for more years than I have not, which is a sure indication that I am getting longer in the tooth with each and every deafening crash of the second hand. To me BOC always represented the very best of a long gone age when bands were seemingly packed, and splitting at the seams, with an abundance of talent. Then, as now, there were bands that were dominated by a single talent and presence; that is a main song writer, vocalist, guitarist, etc., all balled up in the same person. But BOC, along with a handful of other groups, always seemed to have it's input coming from the many varied directions of all the members. They all wrote songs, they all did some singing (some much more than others of course), and they all added their own distinctiveness to the collective. The end result was something very special with each anticipated release. So when the original lineup of Blue Oyster Cult all started to go their separate ways, it seemed that it would only be a matter of time before the musical talent contained within started producing it's own independent sounds. Dark smoke was once again beginning to pour forth from the once cooled stacks of drummer Albert Bouchard, who's band THE BRAIN SURGEONS was generating all kinds of wonderfully twisted fables for our delight. It seemed like a perfect time for original BOC bassist Joe Bouchard to return to the ring for a few punches, and now, Joe is back with the 1997 Cellsum Records release "The X Brothers- Solid Citizens". The album features Joe Bouchard on vocals and playing an arsenal of keyed and stringed weapons, Brain Surgeons guitarist Billy Hilfiger doing what HE has proven he can do unmatched, Andy Hilfiger on bass, and Jimmy Cacala on Drums. The songs, mostly written by Bouchard, have that unmistakable mark on them that Joe's songs with BOC had on them. With the release of each subsequent BOC album that was heavily laden with songs by the other band members, it was refreshing to hear the songs that Joe wrote and sang, as it added nicely to the diversity of the band. Joe's songs had a subtle genius to them. Many times buried under the hits (for lack of a better term) of the band and the more "in your face" songs that dominated each album, they stood apart with remarkable scintillation. "Solid Citizens", containing 13 songs, starts off with a strange instrumental tune called "Pray". While not really a "song" in the true sense of the word, it is more of a strange and ambient intro to the album, which sounds like a guitarist warming up in a smoke filled room of people chatting and laughing, perhaps warming instruments themselves in preparation for an on-stage battle. The album also features two other very similar pieces called "Inner bit" and "End Post", which are spaced throughout the length of the album. These quirky little numbers give the whole album a unique feel, as if each one is a warm up before the next "set" of songs that is to come on the album. The remaining ten songs are of varied pace, ranging from the drastic and dynamic to ballads. "Hot Time In Hell" is a tongue-in-cheek rocker about a raucous party in hell gone out of control, with ear-catching lyrics like "Here's Fu ManChu at the barbecue, bakin' hot Hiroshima pies". The catchy number "On Fire With Love", with it's hooks a mile long, reaches into the guitarist inside of us all and make us want to sling our invisible six-string low and rumble right along with the killer riffs it delivers. The smooth and haunting ballad "Love's a Killer" brings back memories of BOC's "Light Years of Love", and "Dream Machine" provides an atmospheric and melodic break from the more clamorous and thundering songs on the album. Putting forward a bit of personal taste, my favorite X Brothers songs come at the very close of the album. "Run For The Sun", a Joe Bouchard/ Richard Meltzer written tune that sounds enough like a song that Joe could have easily slipped into a BOC release, and "All Things Paramount" with its careful and methodical pace and its unpredictable peppering of guitar scribblings throughout, has seen to it that the album is rarely returned from my CD player to it's protective plastic case. All together, these songs and others make up an album that anyone who ever pounded a foot or raised a fist to a Blue Oyster Cult album should grab. In my opinion Joe has remained silent for too long, as this album is merely the small tip of a huge iceberg of talent that the man has always had. It's almost as if the original Blue Oyster Cult lineup was a "Super Group" in retrospect. They were the best of the best, all working for the same cause. We knew they were a talented group back then, and now that they have broken off and followed some different paths, it really sinks in. Perhaps no single band was strong enough to contain the pressure and surge of so many powerful forces. Perhaps I'll go listen to this album again. Robert (Torgo) Sedler torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Jan 18 23:53:13 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:53:13 -0800 Subject: OFF: Jill! Message-ID: Jill, hopefully you receive OFF subjects? >From your last public note, I gather you got my first private E, but not the second. To be brief, the 2nd said...send me 18 dollars!! :) Your two Warriors (one real, one Pendragon) will be sent Tues, 1st-class. So, if you agree to the price, there should be no more need for correspondence (for now). As for when we need to mail each other later...ugh, I dread it. :) Warrior on the Edge of E-mail Sanity, Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon Jan 19 00:09:25 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:09:25 -0800 Subject: HW: Steve Hillage 4 Sale Message-ID: Not quite HW content, but I figured if I used OFF, some Hawkwind people (which are whom I want to reach in this case) might not get it. I have two vinyl copies of Hillage's "Fish Rising", Virgin England, mint condition, which I'm asking $10 (US) for, each. E-mail privately. Thanks. If you know anyone outside of the list who might be interested, please forward. Charlie From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 19 06:27:25 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:27:25 GMT Subject: OFF: Jill calling Charlie In-Reply-To: herbert rosenberg's message of Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:53:13 -0800 Message-ID: sorry folks - there doesn't seem to be any other way to do this! herbert rosenberg writes: > Jill, hopefully you receive OFF subjects? > >From your last public note, I gather you got my first private E, but not the second. > To be brief, the 2nd said...send me 18 dollars!! :) Ah. Thank you. I agree. It's on the way. I'm writing this to check your address, my last one for you was in Tennessee St. Does this still stand? Just out of curiousity are you mailing from a PC or through a mainframe? It looks as if when you compose a message to me (rather than replying) it comes through as readable text (I'm using a mainframe mail editor which seems to only be able to cope with straight text files) but when you reply to a message it comes through in code. Does this make sense? > As for when we need to mail each other later...ugh, I dread it. :) Try the following address: ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk It's my work address so I try to keep it separate from general email but since it's from a PC it may work better. Yrs from the Edge of Darkness jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 19 10:50:55 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:50:55 -0600 Subject: BOC: SF Lyrics and music similar to Spawn Message-ID: >I know some of the themes were spacial, more of them were cerebral-fantasy, but a good deal of them were social commentary based pretty firmly in the here and now. The music just always seemed to me to be good rock'n'roll with enough of a quirky edge (nutty drums, wild lyrics, choice live japes) to make it really interesting and addictive. IMHO BOC never seemed Spacey musically, yeah, they had a few atmospheric spots, eg. Workshop of the Telescopes, Flaming Telepaths, She's As Beautiful As A Foot, etc.. Similar to Spawn the animated series. The ultimate Evil vs. the Ultimate good but a SF feel to the style of the story telling. I see weird things in sane places. >The SpaceRock thing, to me, is when you can close your eyes and 5 seconds later you are a free-floating consciousness in the inter-stellar reaches. Who knows? With the right "chemical enhancements" even 70's era disoc could do this for ya. 8>). Sorry I'm not poking fun at you personally, I just loved the way you phrased this. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab OBCD - Musically Incorrect, Y&T From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 19 11:02:54 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:02:54 -0600 Subject: OFF: Is there a concert with this? Message-ID: >From today's Washington Times - " A costume party this isn't. Rather, its the 17th glissade of the witches at Belalp, Switezerland, in the Canton of Wallis. Some 700 took part in yesterday's event, dressing as witches and skiing down the mountain to drive off bad spirits." This is the caption under a photo showing several people dressed like witches skings down the mountains. Question, is there a concert series that goes with this event? >I saw the movie -- the song wasn't there; neither audible nor listed in the >end credits crawl. I guess they just used it to bulk up the soundtrack CD. What a despicable practice. If they want to consider a song part of the soundtrack they can at least use it in the movie. Maybe BOC should have advertised FoUO as "Music Inspired by the Motion Picture Heavy Metal." Or, Vice versa. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 11:18:54 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:54 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: I have a couple of questions. First, did Captain Rizz play with Hawkwind at the Strange Daze Festival? Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's Eve, 1977. However, I don't have a concert listed for that date in either Rob Godwin's "Collector's Guide to Hawkwind" book or on my Golden Void site (which is pulled together from many sources). The "Hawklords Live" CD lists the track as being from 1978. Can someone say for sure where this track is taken from? Thanks, Frank P.S. I am in the middle of a large number of updates to the Golden Void site, including several. scanned pictures from the Strange Daze festival. It'll take a few days yet, but stay tuned for details. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I don't practice what I preach, because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to. -- Bob Dobbs. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 11:27:51 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:27:51 -0600 Subject: HW is this Stacia In-Reply-To: Big Mike Wright "Re: HW is this Stacia" (Jan 3, 5:32pm) Message-ID: Big Mike Wright wrote: > Dan Witt wrote: > > > > I've come across a few photos of the original Alice Cooper Group posing > > with a female that I believe is Stacia. I believe the photos originate > > from 1972 > > http://www.earthlink.net/~hawkwind1/index.html > > > > Just click on the Alice Cooper photo section. They're the last 2 pics. > > If anybody can confirm or deny this is Stacia please do so. > > I too think the 2nd photo is Stacia, but am more sure that the two women are > not the same. For example the 2nd woman has a wide bangle on her left wrist > which the 1st woman doesn't. Also the 1st woman has sun tanned areas, which > the 2nd doesn't. The other thing that convinces me that they are taken at > different times is that the band are different, and Alice isn't wearing the > same clothes. I finally remembered to look up this information. The second picture (the one labeled "Alice with entourage members 1972? Posing with Stacia? Taken from web but I don't remeber where") is definitely Stacia. In the book "Rock 'N' Roll Babylon" by Gary Herman, that exact picture is on page 103. He doesn't give any more information about where the picture was taken. He does comment that Alice Cooper bragged about spending $300,000 per year on booze, and that this is an interesting use for it. He also uses the phrase "the heavy metal band Hawkwind", so I guess his information must be taken with a grain of salt. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 OK, stupid question time. The etter before m on my keyboard is broken. How do I ogout? From uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU Mon Jan 19 11:38:27 1998 From: uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:38:27 +0300 Subject: Polish Postcards Message-ID: Hi John john.m.gray wrote: > I don't know what drugs I was on the day I wrote it, here is the > corrected version. The various colored flimsies are from Russia not > Poland. I bought them from a guy in Poland. Are you sure about Russia? I live in Russia myself, but never heard about them. If yes, can you be more specific about from where in Russia do they come from (Russia is a big country you know)? I'd like to get one for myself then :) -- Yury Elik, Tangram Ltd, St.Petersburg From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 19 11:39:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:39:28 GMT Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:18:54 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According > to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's > Eve, 1977. However, I don't have a concert listed for that date in > either Rob Godwin's "Collector's Guide to Hawkwind" book or on my > Golden Void site (which is pulled together from many sources). The > "Hawklords Live" CD lists the track as being from 1978. Can someone > say for sure where this track is taken from? It was the Sonic Assassins gig at Barnstaple which was certainly at the very end of 1977. FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 19 11:45:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:45:14 -0000 Subject: Is there a concert with this? Message-ID: On Monday, January 19, 1998 4:03 PM, BREVARD, Adrian R. [SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] wrote: > >I saw the movie -- the song wasn't there; neither audible nor listed in > >the > >end credits crawl. I guess they just used it to bulk up the soundtrack > >CD. > > What a despicable practice. If they want to consider a song part of the > soundtrack they can at least use it in the movie. Maybe BOC should have > advertised FoUO as "Music Inspired by the Motion Picture Heavy Metal." > Or, Vice versa. Well, that wouldn't have been totally inaccurate... I'm not sure it's so despicable - what often happens is this: the producers do deals with various artists for songs for the soundtrack; but in the shooting and editing process, maybe they end up not using all the material. But they've already agreed with L7 (in this case) that their song will be on the soundtrack album. So it ends up on the album but not the movie, because they're honouring their agreement with the artist. What are they supposed to do - just bin it? Or force the director to use all the material whether he wants to or not? Soundtrack albums are often a lucrative spin-off from a movie these days - the _Spawn_ OST is a case in point, and by all accounts the best thing to come out of that project - but I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing? -Andy ObCD: Deniz Tek - _Take it to the Vertical_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 19 11:37:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:37:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: On Monday, January 19, 1998 4:19 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote: > Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According > to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's > Eve, 1977. However, I don't have a concert listed for that date in > either Rob Godwin's "Collector's Guide to Hawkwind" book or on my > Golden Void site (which is pulled together from many sources). The > "Hawklords Live" CD lists the track as being from 1978. Can someone > say for sure where this track is taken from? > I always thought it was from that New Year's Eve - but, it wasn't a Hawkwind gig but a Sonic Assassins gig... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 12:11:32 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:11:32 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: M Holmes "Re: HW: Two questions" (Jan 19, 4:39pm) Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Frank Weil writes: > > > Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According > > to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's > > Eve, 1977. However, I don't have a concert listed for that date in > > either Rob Godwin's "Collector's Guide to Hawkwind" book or on my > > Golden Void site (which is pulled together from many sources). The > > "Hawklords Live" CD lists the track as being from 1978. Can someone > > say for sure where this track is taken from? > > It was the Sonic Assassins gig at Barnstaple which was certainly at the > very end of 1977. > > FoFP The date I have for that gig (from two different sources) is December 23, 1977. I would not be surprised if the information on the "Mighty Hawkwind Classics" CD is wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that incorrect information was printed. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 12:13:38 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:13:38 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: HW: Two questions" (Jan 19, 4:37pm) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > On Monday, January 19, 1998 4:19 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] > wrote: > > > Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According > > to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's > > Eve, 1977. However, I don't have a concert listed for that date in > > either Rob Godwin's "Collector's Guide to Hawkwind" book or on my > > Golden Void site (which is pulled together from many sources). The > > "Hawklords Live" CD lists the track as being from 1978. Can someone > > say for sure where this track is taken from? > > > > I always thought it was from that New Year's Eve - but, it wasn't a > Hawkwind gig but a Sonic Assassins gig... It was definitely a Sonic Assassins gig. Sorry, I should have been more accurate in my e-mail. Can you point to some source saying that this gig was indeed on New Year's Eve? Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 >>From the back of a birthday card for a one-year-old that contains one of those "I am 1" badges: "Not suitable for children under three years old" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 19 12:34:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:34:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: On Monday, January 19, 1998 5:14 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote: > > It was definitely a Sonic Assassins gig. Sorry, I should have been > more accurate in my e-mail. Can you point to some source saying that > this gig was indeed on New Year's Eve? I just dug out my Sonic Assassins EP - it says "Recorded live at Queen's Hall, Barnstaple, Christmas Eve 1977" ...so I was probably confusing my mid-winter festivals :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jan 19 12:57:24 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:57:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <9801191018.ZM12030@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Hi Frank At 10:18 19.01.98 -0600, you wrote: >I have a couple of questions. >First, did Captain Rizz play with Hawkwind at the Strange Daze >Festival? YES! >Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According >to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's >Eve, 1977. This gig was played on 23.12.1977 very late in the night (after 12 o'clock) so we have to put this date (to be very exact) on the 24.12.1977 The following songs were played: 24.12.77, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL, 45 minutes magnu / angels of death / jam / free fall / death trap / awakening / over the top / golden void / instrumental Bernhard From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 19 13:03:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:03:40 PST Subject: BOC: SF Lyrics and music similar to Spawn Message-ID: >>The SpaceRock thing, to me, is when you can close your eyes and 5 >>seconds later you are a free-floating consciousness in the >>inter-stellar >>reaches. Who knows? > >With the right "chemical enhancements" even 70's era disco could do this >for ya. 8>). Sorry I'm not poking fun at you personally, I just loved >the way you phrased this. You really are just a cheeky monkey who doesn't know when to stop! (Angelic voice) You brought the chemicals into this conversation, not me. Flip sake - with these, um, enhancements, you can listen to _Test-tube Conceived_ and picture 5 Bob Calvert's standing in a circle round you chanting "I Hear Voices"..... I hear them again, they're calling........ Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 13:44:06 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:44:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech "Re: HW: Two questions" (Jan 19, 6:57pm) Message-ID: > >I have a couple of questions. > > >First, did Captain Rizz play with Hawkwind at the Strange Daze > >Festival? > > YES! > > >Second, when was the track "Over the Top" really recorded? According > >to the CD "Mighty Hawkwind Classics", it was recorded on New Year's > >Eve, 1977. > > This gig was played on 23.12.1977 very late in the night (after 12 o'clock) > so we have to put this date (to be very exact) on the 24.12.1977 > > The following songs were played: > > 24.12.77, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL, 45 minutes > magnu / angels of death / jam / free fall / death trap / awakening / over > the top / golden void / instrumental Thanks for the info! I will include the changes in my next round of updates. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I think people tend to forget that trees are living creatures. They're sort of like dogs. Huge, quiet, motionless dogs, with bark instead of fur. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jan 19 13:46:42 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:46:42 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: HW: Two questions" (Jan 19, 5:34pm) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > On Monday, January 19, 1998 5:14 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] > wrote: > > > > > It was definitely a Sonic Assassins gig. Sorry, I should have been > > more accurate in my e-mail. Can you point to some source saying that > > this gig was indeed on New Year's Eve? > > I just dug out my Sonic Assassins EP - it says > > "Recorded live at Queen's Hall, Barnstaple, Christmas Eve 1977" > > ...so I was probably confusing my mid-winter festivals :) Thanks for looking this up! The same person who wrote out the CD booklet probably made the same mistake and never bothered to look up the info to make sure. I'm sure that mistakes such as the one on the CD have a way of developing a life of their own once all the knock-off CDs are produced. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 1010011010 - Binary Number of the Beast From davmor at DELTANET.COM Mon Jan 19 15:51:29 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:51:29 -0800 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: On Monday, January 19, 1998 5:14 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote >Thanks for looking this up! The same person who wrote out the CD >booklet probably made the same mistake and never bothered to look >up the info to make sure. I'm sure that mistakes such as the one >on the CD have a way of developing a life of their own once all the >knock-off CDs are produced. Isn't this true! Nobody's catalog has been ripped off..er..*reissued sans band involvement* as much as Hawkwind, with the possible exception (perhaps) of Sweet. Fripp and the Digital Global Mobile project clearly shows artists what they must do to protect their creative output, otherwise you wind up with a Beatles situation: you don't own ANY of it in any way, shape, or form, and all the stuff you never wanted to surface just leaks out around the edges. Ciao Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Jan 19 19:57:34 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:57:34 -0500 Subject: Off: OED In-Reply-To: <12bef102.34c03abb@aol.com> from "StevenTice" at Jan 16, 98 11:59:37 pm Message-ID: ><< Actually, I strongly suspect the OED notes the American variant > "color" under its "colour" entry, and marks it as the standard American > spelling. The OED could be improved, but it is pretty hot shit as it is. >> >Well, that was just a joke, of course :-)...and heck, my Webster's Collegiate >Dictionary lists "colour" as a "Chiefly Brit. variant".... Well, why don't we check: Colour, color sb. Forms: 3-6 colur,4 colure, coulur, 4-7 collor, 3-colour, 5- color. Also 4-7 collor, 5-6 colowre(e, 6 cooler,-ore coulor(e, coullour, -or, cullor, -our, 6-7 coulour, -er, collour, culler. Then, skipping the bits about middle English and such, we fine a bit later on, Volour, corresponding to the late AFr., has been the normal spelling in Eng. from 14th c.; but color has been used occasionally, cheifly under L. influence from 15th c., and is now the prevalent spelling in U.S. Why didn't you guys just look it in up in your own OEDs? :-) JB From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Jan 19 22:51:42 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:51:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: hullo all! Message-ID: hi all. finally got a new connection. so wuz been going on? anything interesting occur over the last couple of months? rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 20 02:05:45 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:05:45 +0000 Subject: Off: OED Message-ID: On m?n 19 jan 1998 19.57 -0500 "Jeff Berry" wrote: > Why didn't you guys just look it in up in your own OEDs? :-) Because doing so exceeds my graduate student budget! I often reflect that it's a shame CD-ROM drive prices are so low, since I couldn't afford to buy anything to put in one, if I had one ;) However, I've got a free internet connection, so it's all a trade off :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Jan 20 03:09:48 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:09:48 -0800 Subject: OFF: Jill! Message-ID: > > > Ah. Thank you. I agree. It's on the way. I'm writing this to check > your address, my last one for you was in Tennessee St. Does this still > stand? > Oops. Indeed, that addressl is outdated. I'm back at: 119 Nanette St. Redlands, Ca. 92373 > Just out of curiousity are you mailing from a PC or through a mainframe? > It looks as if when you compose a message to me (rather than replying) > it comes through as readable text (I'm using a mainframe mail editor > which seems to only be able to cope with straight text files) but when > you reply to a message it comes through in code. Does this make sense? > Yes, but not to me, as I don't make sense of sense. :) Well, actually, I sort of catch your drift. I'll try composing a message from scratch. > > As for when we need to mail each other later...ugh, I dread it. :) > > > Try the following address: ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > It's my work address so I try to keep it separate from general email but > since it's from a PC it may work better. > > Yrs from the Edge of Darkness > > jill > I'll try that one next time. Thanks, Charlie From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jan 20 05:18:49 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:49 +0000 Subject: OFF / HW: Orgone Accumulator / Wilhelm Reich Message-ID: Just a quick note to say that there's a feature on Wilhelm Reich, "discoverer" of Orgone, and builder of the Orgone Accumulator and Cloudbuster, in the latest edition of Fortean Times (FT 107, Feb 1998). Cheers, Rich. From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Jan 20 07:58:44 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:58:44 -0500 Subject: Welcome back Sprawl Message-ID: PsychoSonic experiment #1 ------------------------- Ok, now think of the tune to 'Welcome back Kotter', Got it? good (well ok, not so good really, but for the purposes of this demonstration) Now, STOP thinking of it! hah! can't eh? (I could end this here and you would probably have a bummer of a day, with that sickly tunette going round and round inside your cranium. That would be extremely fiendish, but instead, I will show you the cure) Ok, now run 'Brainstorm' in your head for a few seconds. Alright!, were did the other tune go? its gone right? Just demonstrating the awesome Brain-cleaning power of SpaceRock :-) and saying welcome back Ron, we missed ya. Hey guys, you'd better stop talking about him now! (Just kidding) In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 20 08:13:38 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:13:38 -0500 Subject: The X-Brothers. Solid Citizens Message-ID: Welcome back Torgo! >"Run For The Sun", a Joe Bouchard/ Richard Meltzer written tune that sounds enough like a song that Joe could have easil y slipped into a BOC release, Well, funny you mentioned that. Some version of this song, originally titled "Hot Desert Sand", was demoed by Joe for BOC, I think around the time of *Cultosaurus Erectus* - I've never heard that track, so I don't know how close it is to the "Run For the Sun". Albert, can you help? John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 05:30:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:30:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: hullo all! In-Reply-To: <34C41F4E.AA38DB43@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34C41F4E.AA38DB43 at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >hi all. >finally got a new connection. so wuz been going on? anything interesting occur >over the last couple of months? >rj yeah, shit, didn't you hear - the band split!! Not really. Pretty uneventful few weeks. Has it been a couple of months already? Alan's Bedouin album came out. That's about it really. -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 20 08:26:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:26:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Recent Show Message-ID: I've seen some posts on AOL regarding a recent BOC show in Port Jefferson NY, where they were billed as Soft White Underbelly. Just wanted to mention that "I'd Like To See You in Black", "Flaming Telepaths", and "Take Me Away" were included in the setlist. This is certainly an encouraging sign for those of us who have been concerned with Eric's voice over the last year or so. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 05:44:58 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:44:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <005301bd251c$05ff6ea0$0adddedf@spock.dmsgalh.com> Message-ID: In article <005301bd251c$05ff6ea0$0adddedf at spock.dmsgalh.com>, Steven Davies-Morris writes > >Isn't this true! Nobody's catalog has been ripped off..er..*reissued >sans band involvement* as much as Hawkwind, with the >possible exception (perhaps) of Sweet. I think probably the Small Faces lost more than just about anyone. They lost 100% entirely *everything*. It wasn't until Kenny joined The Who that he had any money to legally pursue Immediate and even then it took another what, 10 years to get anything. Ronnie Lane lived in abject poverty with Multiple Scerosis for nearly 20 years after writing a couple of the most beautiful albums ever recorded, including the psychedelic pop masterpiece Ogden's Nut Gone Flake. Rotten Bastards. The Hawks by comparison haven't really done too badly in this respect, having lost control of only the one set of tapes, I believe, to Trojan. It looks worse than it is because it's the same tapes over and over. Anyway, The Hawks legit releases bleed me white as it is! I'm still waiting for the EBS - CD releases of Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques to drop below ?16/$25. Sorry, but for Sonic Attack, this will be the fourth time I've sprung for this album and I'm not paying more than ?10/$15 this time. So guys, if you're reading, time to move these two to mid-price! -- Jon From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Jan 20 08:37:13 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:37:13 -0500 Subject: Off: OED In-Reply-To: <38605.3094268745@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 20, 98 07:05:45 am Message-ID: >> Why didn't you guys just look it in up in your own OEDs? :-) > Because doing so exceeds my graduate student budget! > I often reflect that it's a shame CD-ROM drive prices are so low, since I couldn't afford to buy anything to put in one, if I had one ;) Wow, you mean everyone doesn't own an OED? Next you'll tell me that you don't have a Facsimile Folio of Shakespeare! On a serious note - the OED on CD-ROM is way more expensive than just buying the damn thing on paper. We've found some used OED's for under $100 American. Not much under, sure, but under. JB From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jan 20 09:09:12 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: Welcome Message-ID: hehee.. i like to pull the old tune-plant trick myself. i think i have actually, truly pissed a couple of people off that way. ;) thanks, rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jan 20 09:13:25 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:13:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: hullo all! Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > yeah, shit, didn't you hear - the band split!! hah! knew u were lyin'! i would have felt a disturbance in the force had this been the case. i mean, i'd like- HAVE to know, wouldnt i? > Not really. Pretty uneventful few weeks. Has it been a couple of months already? uh, no. more like a month. but it felt much longer..... my provider discontinued my acc't. about ten minutes after i signed off.the bastard! but now i have a new provider, and guess what? my modem works better. ;) > Alan's Bedouin album came out. That's about it really. so how is it?rj > -- > Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 20 10:09:33 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:09:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Message-ID: >Sorry I'm not poking fun at you personally, I just loved >the way you phrased this. >You really are just a cheeky monkey who doesn't know when to stop! (Angelic voice) You brought the chemicals into this conversation, not me. Flip sake - with these, um, enhancements, you can listen to _Test-tube Conceived_ and picture 5 Bob Calvert's standing in a circle round you chanting "I Hear Voices"..... Heheheheheh I know man I couldn't help it. A really strange series of events brought this on. Was feeling euphoric, finally able to get a copy of the only Tick episode I had never seen, Tick Loves Santa Claus (aka Multiple Santa). It was broadcast in the wee hours of the morning (at least for a geezer like me) so with sleep depravation and seeing extended trailers of Boogie Nights first thing in the morning (don't ask please) I warped back into my days of polyester, bright lights, thumping bass and drinks during "Drink or Drown Happy Hour". Many a time the eyes would close and the rythmic beat of Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell" would take me away, much the way you described. Surely I'm not the only one to experience dsico on this list? Again sorry, I'll leave the tongue in cheek stuff to you and Theo. Ho-Ho-Ho repeated constantly by thousands of santa clones is an unnerving yet palatable experience. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab OBCD - Streets, A Rock Opera - Savatage From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 20 10:40:00 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:40:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Operas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:09 20.01.98 -0600, you wrote: >Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, >lil' ab > >OBCD - Streets, A Rock Opera - Savatage Are there by any chance any good disco-operas (aside from movie soundtracks) over there in your universe? Or in this one? There has to be... actually ICU have come close... Christian From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Jan 20 10:04:37 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:04:37 -0600 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: Hello this must be space, Thought I'd pass on some good news on the HW front for the US fans. There will be a Strange Daze 98 on August 14-15, which is a Friday/Saturday. Most of the bands from the first festival will be asked to return, but will be given more time to do what spacerockers do best, jam. Longer time slots ranging from 90 to 120 minutes are expected with a request to do a different show. An MC is possible to keep things going, with the possibility of Thom the Poet (opened Gong's 25th Birthday CD). Other ideas are being tossed about in an effort to make the festival even better (lights, stage ect.). Confirmed groups so far: Hawkwind and Bedouin !!!!!!! There's a good chance Nik will be playing with Bedouin. As the festival gets closer I plan to set up a web page for announcements and other information. later, Doug Good minds open and take new might Until diminished by the reign of night Brock -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From davmor at DELTANET.COM Tue Jan 20 11:17:31 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:17:31 -0800 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: I had no idea that the excellent Small Faces got so stiffed. Very sad to hear, indeed. I remember a benefit concert being done for Ronnie Lane, who was (I'm told) a really nice man. It's a shame that one was even necessary. Good to hear the HW really hasn't suffered in this department as much as I thought. It must just be the constant repackaging by Trojan that made me think they'd lost more than they did. When I ordered *Epitaph* from Digital Global Mobile I got a dissertation (from Fripp, I presume!) about the real workings of recording industry contracts. As a software developer I thought that my industry was full of pirates...compared to the typical record company, software outfits are meek little lambs. The very worst in DGM's assessment is Virgin. I was shocked at that, given the *hippiness* of its origins. It made for some very interesting reading. Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 5:32 AM Subject: Re: HW: Two questions >In article <005301bd251c$05ff6ea0$0adddedf at spock.dmsgalh.com>, Steven >Davies-Morris writes >> >>Isn't this true! Nobody's catalog has been ripped off..er..*reissued >>sans band involvement* as much as Hawkwind, with the >>possible exception (perhaps) of Sweet. > >I think probably the Small Faces lost more than just about anyone. They >lost 100% entirely *everything*. It wasn't until Kenny joined The Who >that he had any money to legally pursue Immediate and even then it took >another what, 10 years to get anything. Ronnie Lane lived in abject >poverty with Multiple Scerosis for nearly 20 years after writing a >couple of the most beautiful albums ever recorded, including the >psychedelic pop masterpiece Ogden's Nut Gone Flake. Rotten Bastards. > >The Hawks by comparison haven't really done too badly in this respect, >having lost control of only the one set of tapes, I believe, to Trojan. >It looks worse than it is because it's the same tapes over and over. >Anyway, The Hawks legit releases bleed me white as it is! I'm still >waiting for the EBS - CD releases of Sonic Attack and Choose Your >Masques to drop below ?16/$25. Sorry, but for Sonic Attack, this will be >the fourth time I've sprung for this album and I'm not paying more than >?10/$15 this time. So guys, if you're reading, time to move these two to >mid-price! >-- >Jon > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davmor at DELTANET.COM Tue Jan 20 11:19:38 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:19:38 -0800 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: Where will Strange Daze 98 be held? Inquiring minds want to know! Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Bates To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 8:14 AM Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 >Hello this must be space, > >Thought I'd pass on some good news on the HW front for the >US fans. There will be a Strange Daze 98 on August 14-15, >which is a Friday/Saturday. Most of the bands from the first >festival will be asked to return, but will be given more time to >do what spacerockers do best, jam. Longer time slots ranging >from 90 to 120 minutes are expected with a request to do a >different show. An MC is possible to keep things going, with >the possibility of Thom the Poet (opened Gong's 25th Birthday >CD). Other ideas are being tossed about in an effort to make >the festival even better (lights, stage ect.). > >Confirmed groups so far: Hawkwind and Bedouin !!!!!!! >There's a good chance Nik will be playing with Bedouin. > >As the festival gets closer I plan to set up a web page for >announcements and other information. > >later, > >Doug > > > Good minds open and take new >might > Until diminished by the reign of night > >Brock >-- >Doug Bates >voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 >mailto:dbates at uab.edu > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 20 11:23:38 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:23:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <003c01bd25be$eae74180$0adddedf@spock.dmsgalh.com> Message-ID: At 08:17 20.01.98 -0800, Steven Davies-Morris wrote: The very worst in DGM's assessment is Virgin. I was >shocked at that, given the *hippiness* of its origins. It made for some >very interesting reading. Well, Richard Branson discarded that image for his "high adventuring multibillionaire" schtick long ago... Virgin are a massive corporation (hell, they even had a Virgin airline going at one point). (Speaking of airlines, front page news here in Norway concerns a confused drunk Norwegian man trying to force his way out of a passenger plane at 30 000 feet over India to hail a Taxi... he was clocked by a sober Dane before any catastrophies occurred.) Christian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jan 20 11:41:10 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:41:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: Doug excites us with... >Thought I'd pass on some good news on the HW front for the >US fans. There will be a Strange Daze 98 on August 14-15. > >Confirmed groups so far: Hawkwind and Bedouin !!!!!!! >There's a good chance Nik will be playing with Bedouin. Well, Hot Damn! I'm going this year! There's no way I'm going to allow myself to be drawn to some strange foreign land *this* time. Matter of fact, I'm going to go write those dates down somewhere, so I don't forget and plan some other stupid trip in the meantime. Nik might be playing with Alan...Hmmm. But what about either (or both) of them guesting with HW?? And how 'bout Lem?? That'd be cool...huh-huh. And Simon House too! So, will Bedouin and HW be headlining the two nights, or is there still some hope of enticing somebody like PTree to come over?? Then Beduoin could play directly before HW on the second night, and they could just all stay on stage, and we could have a real space orchestra going, like the old daze. Well, this is great news indeed. See you all there!! Keith (FAA) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jan 20 11:51:27 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:51:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980120172338.02fe1fec@online.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 cannibal at CUTEY.COM wrote: > At 08:17 20.01.98 -0800, Steven Davies-Morris wrote: > The very worst in DGM's assessment is Virgin. I was > >shocked at that, given the *hippiness* of its origins. It made for some > >very interesting reading. > > Well, Richard Branson discarded that image for his "high adventuring > multibillionaire" schtick long ago... Virgin are a massive corporation > (hell, they even had a Virgin airline going at one point). If memory serves correct, and maybe someone can confirm this for me, Branson sold off Virgin records, so it's actually now Virgin only in name but actually owned by someone else. But Virgin Atlantic is still going strong, and is Branson's. (I've flown them, and very good they were too...). > (Speaking of airlines, front page news here in Norway concerns a confused > drunk Norwegian man trying to force his way out of a passenger plane at 30 > 000 feet over India to hail a Taxi... he was clocked by a sober Dane before > any catastrophies occurred.) Talking of travelling stories, there was one in the press here a couple of months back...An elderly couple saw an advert inviting people to visit the BBC's Web Site. So, they got in their car and drove a hundred miles to the BBC in London :-) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 12:16:09 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:16:09 PST Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Message-ID: >finally able to get a copy of the only Tick episode I had never seen IT WAS YOU, YOU COMPLETE BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!1 I knew it was someone on this list and finally the truth has revealed itself. Your Tick signatures are now flooding BBC Belfast as internal email signatures, because I stole them all from your postings. AND IT'S YOUR FAULT! I am now doomed to lose at arm-wrestling contests in the canteen and be taunted with cries of "Strike from below, viper" and "You'd have won if you'd've used Science on us good folks." Argggghh I should never have lost me religion. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 12:19:03 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:19:03 PST Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Operas Message-ID: >> >>OBCD - Streets, A Rock Opera - Savatage > >Are there by any chance any good disco-operas (aside from movie >soundtracks) over there in your universe? Or in this one? There has to >be... actually ICU have come close... > >Christian > Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Jan 20 12:33:21 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:33:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: Neehaahh!!! Best news I've had in '98 !! Excuse me while I go outside and dance a jig.... Thanks for passing on the message Doug ! > > Thought I'd pass on some good news on the HW front for the > US fans. (and Canadians...) and how about you Europeans, come on plan that summer vacation now! >There will be a Strange Daze 98 on August 14-15, > which is a Friday/Saturday. Most of the bands from the first > festival will be asked to return, but will be given more time to > do what spacerockers do best, jam. Longer time slots ranging > from 90 to 120 minutes are expected with a request to do a > different show. An MC is possible to keep things going, with > the possibility of Thom the Poet (opened Gong's 25th Birthday > CD). Other ideas are being tossed about in an effort to make > the festival even better (lights, stage ect.). Can't imagine how the lights or sound could be any better, (other than permanent nightime which might be a little hard to arrange) > > Confirmed groups so far: Hawkwind and Bedouin !!!!!!! > There's a good chance Nik will be playing with Bedouin. > So do we know where ? Same place would be excellent.... > As the festival gets closer I plan to set up a web page for > announcements and other information. Excellent idea. Lets get the word out and advertise, advertise.. Happy, happy, happy, Steve L. From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Jan 20 12:36:43 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:36:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Operas Message-ID: At 09:19 AM 1/20/98 PST, you wrote: >>> >>>OBCD - Streets, A Rock Opera - Savatage >> >>Are there by any chance any good disco-operas (aside from movie >>soundtracks) over there in your universe? Or in this one? There has to >>be... actually ICU have come close... >> >>Christian >> > >Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. > Hey! Easy there... I like that CD set. I'm not sure I would call it disco however. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 12:40:46 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:40:46 PST Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: >Talking of travelling stories, there was one in the press here a couple of >months back...An elderly couple saw an advert inviting people to visit the >BBC's Web Site. So, they got in their car and drove a hundred miles to the >BBC in London :-) > >Dave > If you saw some of the people who walk into Braodcasting House here, you would so completely believe the web site story. Parents bring their children here to see The Teletubbies. And they, like, soooo don't understand it when we try to explain it to them... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Jan 20 13:01:38 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:01:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Virgin Atrocities (was HW: Two questions) Message-ID: Steven Davies-Morris wrote: > When I ordered *Epitaph* from Digital Global Mobile I got a dissertation > (from Fripp, I presume!) about the real workings of recording industry > contracts. As a software developer I thought that my industry was full > of pirates...compared to the typical record company, software outfits are > meek little lambs. The very worst in DGM's assessment is Virgin. I was > shocked at that, given the *hippiness* of its origins. It made for some > very interesting reading. If you are referring to the book that came in the _Epitaph_ CD box, I'd agree that it makes for excellent reading. While it's been a while since I've read it (it about 50 pages long or more), I don't recall much mention of Virgin, so perhaps you are referring to something else? I know that Virgin had noble beginnings, what with Oldfield's _Tubular Bells_ and the prime years of Tangerine Dream, but went wrong somewhere in the late 70s/early 80s. I suspect that founder Richard Branson lost interest in the label and took on other hobbies (like ballooning). Evidently Oldfield withheld his fantastic _Tubular Bells 2_ album until his contract with Virgin expired, instead giving them the _Amarok_ album (also great, but far less accessible), which did not enjoy the kind of success that TB2 did, based on its name recognition. TB2 was released on WEA. Oldfield said of Branson: "Richard was never much of a music buff; it was a good opportunity for him to start what became a huge corporation and sell it for a lot of money later on. I bear the man no ill-will; he makes me laugh and I wish him every success with his airline - provided that I can get free travel on it!" Then again, at the 48:00 minute mark of _Amarok_, there is a Morse code message that decodes to "Fuck off RB." Shrug. With all the attempts to fly a balloon around the world, one news program interviewed Branson, who will be making his attempt any day now. I had to laugh when I saw the caption that they put under his picture during the interview: "Richard Branson - Balloonist." MWood NP: Finisterre - _Live_ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 20 13:09:50 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:09:50 PST Subject: OFF: Chemicals and Disco Operas Message-ID: >> >>Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. >> >Hey! Easy there... I like that CD set. I'm not sure I would call it disco >however. > I will never EVER criticize this CD, but COME ON....how not disco is it??? After Richard Burton's incredible intro, after the opening orchestral bars, check the band.... I Mean...where are those spangly flares??? It's brilliant from start to finish ("But you're not there") but it is sooooo D.I.S.C.O.... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 20 14:29:01 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:29:01 +0000 Subject: Off: OED Message-ID: On tis 20 jan 1998 08.37 -0500 "Jeff Berry" wrote: > Wow, you mean everyone doesn't own an OED? Next you'll tell me > that you don't have a Facsimile Folio of Shakespeare! Though in my line of work, an OED2 CD-ROM is probably the most useful CD-ROM I could buy :) > On a serious note - the OED on CD-ROM is way more expensive than just > buying the damn thing on paper. We've found some used OED's for under > $100 American. Not much under, sure, but under. That's pretty good, considering the proper paper version lists at USD 3000 (!) and the compact version for USD 350! The CD-ROM lists at USD 395. Mind you, a CD-ROM is a hell of a lot easier to store than the the hardcopy, and a bit more flexible in terms of use. Though for a hundred bucks, it'd be tempting to get the compact version--definitely the CD-ROM .. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jan 20 18:16:38 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:16:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: Recent Show In-Reply-To: <199801201326.IAA09362@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: SWU??? Wow. Did anybody on the list attend?? Details would be greatly appreciated by all.....Manuel BTW, I'll be at all 4 So Ca show, beginning on Fri. Hope to see you all there......God bless....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 21 01:49:11 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:49:11 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff for sale (again) Message-ID: Hi Folks Guy Thomas (LN1GJT ) asked me to send this list to boc-l Sonique -------------- next part -------------- This lot is all Hawkwind and Hawkwind related: Singles: Born to Go / Lord of Light UA German Doremi cover, V Tatty ?8.00 Urban Guerrilla / Brainbox Pollution UA plain cover ?8.00 Angels of Death / Transdimensional Man RCA Pic cover ?4.00 Shot Down in the Night / Urban Guerilla Bronze pic cover ?4.00 Moorcock: Dodgum Dude Flicknife Moorcock signed pic sleeve - mint ?20.00 Motorhead: Ace of Spades Bronze tatty pic sleeve ?2.00 Motorhead: Golden Years 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Beer Drinkers 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Headgirl (Motorhead/Girlschool): Please don't touch good ?3.00 LP's: Space Ritual, Double UA gatefold sleeve, average ?7.00 Hall of the mountain grill UA pic inner sleeve, average ?9.00 Hall of the mountain grill EMI re-issue excellent ?4.00 Warrior on the edge of time UA Shield of Chaos cover, Moorcock signed ?25.00 Quark, strangeness and charm, Charisma tatty, pic inner ?5.00 25 Years On - Hawklords Charisma, re-issue good ?5.00 Levitation Black vinyl Bronze good ?5.00 Levitation Blue vinyl Bronze good ?17.00 Twice upon a time Flicknife good ?5.00 Zones Flicknife excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 1 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 2 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 3 Samurai excellent ?5.00 The Hawkwind Collection, Double Castle excellent ?7.00 Chronicle of the Black Sword, pic inner Flicknife good ?7.00 Live Chronicles, Double GWR Excellent ?10.00 Calvert: Captain Lockheed US ATCO Single Cover ?10.00 Calvert: Hype A-Side Mint ?15.00 Calvert: Freq Flicknife Mint ?10.00 Calvert: Lucky Leif Beat Goes On Mint ?10.00 Nik Turner's Sphinx Xitintoday Charisma V good ?9.00 ICU: New Anatomy Demi Monde Excellent ?6.00 Motorhead: No Remorse Bronze (Mint Leather cover, pic inners) discs a bit scratched ?15.00 Motorhead: No Sleep 'til Hammersmith Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Iron Fist Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Bomber Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Overkill Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Another perfect Day Bronze Excellent ?5.00 Motorhead: On Parole UA Mint ?5.00 Motorhead: Motorhead Chiswick Mint ?5.00 CD's: Distant Horizons EBS Digipack ?9.00 Psychedelic Warriors: The White Zone EBS Digipack ?9.00 Alien EBS Signed by Dave, Alan, Richard, Ron, ?60.00 Love In Space EP EBS PROMO "not for resale" ?25.00 Love In Space EP EBS ?6.00 X In Search of Space EMI Original CD issue ?8.00 Stasis EMI ?8.00 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Castle ?9.00 Area S4 EP EBS ?5.00 The Best of Hawkwind Castle Compilation ?4.00 Quark Strangeness & Charm EP EBS ?7.00 Space Ritual Double CD in long box (US Import) ?15.00 Spacehead Of Space and Time EBS ?10.00 Pressurehead Sudden Vertigo Cleopatra ?10.00 Miscellaneous: Video: VHS PAL Night of the Hawks (with ECT show recorded from TV & 1972 Silver Machine on end) ?18.00 Video: VHS PAL Chronicle of the Black Sword, Moorcock autographed sleeve ?25.00 Video: VHS PAL Live Legends ?14.00 Cassette: Business Trip re-glued tape housing ?2.00 Cassette: Harvey Bainbridge: Interstellar Chaos ?4.00 Cassette: Alman Mulo Band: Afrodiziac ?4.00 Alien Tour Poster (ten) ?1.00 each BBC 1/4" Reel-reel tapes: 1972 Paris Theatre session 2 reels ?60.00 From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Jan 21 01:37:50 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:37:50 -0600 Subject: OFF Virgin Atrocities Message-ID: Or, as I was recently discussing with a friend... On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:44:41 -0600 Paul R Parkerson wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:06:49 -0600 (CST) DAMON CAPEHART > wrote: >> >>But a couple of months ago I also bought TB2 and Songs from Distant >>Earth >>from a used CD shop. Both sound a bit >>Oasis-y, and TB2 definitely sounds a bit overproduced, but hey, what >>else would anyone expect with Trevor Horn at the helm? :-) >True. Trevor Horn is slickety-slick. I've heard that TB2 ended up >sounding nothing like MO wanted it to ... but that he didn't care >because >he was finally done with his contract with Virgin Records. Then again, >who knows -- one hears so many things. TSODE (The Songs of Distant >Earth) was his first recording out from under the Virgin shadow and I >think he was trying to go in a completely different direction. He was >all freaked out about space, virtual reality and intracosmic philosophy >at the time.... ------- ..And so the conversation went on. Anyway... Damon From sizemore at SEANET.COM Wed Jan 21 01:29:44 1998 From: sizemore at SEANET.COM (Jhary-a-Conel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:29:44 -0800 Subject: Michael Moorcock, the multiverse, Real Audio! Message-ID: Hi everyone! This month's installment of The Reality Break reports that the MM interview, has successfully made it to WREK archives in a Real Audio format. It will be in the archive until this Saturday! The forward in this message is actually the newsletter. Join it. And, make a request of your local Public Radio station to host his show. Visit Tanelorn too! ;-) Jhary-a-Conel Visit Tanelorn @ http://www.seanet.com/~sizemore/enter.html ICQ me @ 1400818 'All places are a myth somewhere else - but Tanelorn is more constant than most. She can be found, if sought, from anywhere in the multiverse.' -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Dave Slusher Subject: REALITY BREAK #4.02 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:16:44 -0800 Size: 5054 URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 20 11:35:17 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:35:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: hullo all! In-Reply-To: <34C4B105.D2D2BD2E@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34C4B105.D2D2BD2E at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >> Alan's Bedouin album came out. That's about it really. > >so how is it?rj Gulp....I haven't got it (yet) I'm suffering from temporary EBS burnout. Funds are pretty limited at the moment and I just wanted to buy something else a bit more. Andy's got it though - he'll tell ya..... -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 04:54:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:54:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: hullo all! Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 20, 1998 4:35 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > In article <34C4B105.D2D2BD2E at blackboard.com>, sprawl > writes > >> Alan's Bedouin album came out. That's about it really. > > > >so how is it?rj > > Gulp....I haven't got it (yet) I'm suffering from temporary EBS burnout. > Funds are pretty limited at the moment and I just > wanted to buy something else a bit more. > > Andy's got it though - he'll tell ya..... > -- > Jon Browne I kinda liked it, but not as much as _Captured Rotation_. It's 50-odd minutes of bass-driven spacerock, you know what you're getting with Alan! But to be honest I'd hoped for a more authentic midddle-eastern feel than it's got, given the name of the band and the album cover. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 21 05:39:14 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:39:14 GMT Subject: OFF: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:40:46 PST Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > If you saw some of the people who walk into Braodcasting House here, you > would so completely believe the web site story. > Parents bring their children here to see The Teletubbies. And they, > like, soooo don't understand it when we try to explain it to them... Apparently the soap Coronation Street has featured an elopement to Kirkubrigh (sp?). Fans are already calling the tourist office to visit despite the filming being done in a suburb of Manchester. Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. > Chris. FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 06:21:07 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:21:07 -0000 Subject: soaps and saps Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:39 AM, M Holmes [SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > > Apparently the soap Coronation Street has featured an elopement to > Kirkubrigh (sp?). Fans are already calling the tourist office to visit > despite the filming being done in a suburb of Manchester. That's "Kirkcudbright". You a Scot and all... :) > > Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. Didn't they already have input into "The Cape"? Which has the air of a propaganda vehicle, although I confess I've never watched more than a couple of minutes. Which is still more than I lasted with "Space Island One". :) TV Suicide or what? (ObHW) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 21 06:33:05 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:33:05 GMT Subject: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:21:07 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. > > Didn't they already have input into "The Cape"? Which has the air of a > propaganda vehicle, although I confess I've never watched more than a > couple of minutes. > > Which is still more than I lasted with "Space Island One". :) What were these programmes? FoFP P.S: I finally remembered what the name of the "Sliders" type pilot (but far better than Sliders) was that had folks travelling between parallel Earths hunted by Dark Lords was: Doorways. Unfortunately it never got past the pilot film. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 06:47:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:47:11 -0000 Subject: soaps and saps Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:33 AM, M Holmes [SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > Andy Gilham writes: > > > > Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. > > > > Didn't they already have input into "The Cape"? Which has the air of a > > propaganda vehicle, although I confess I've never watched more than a > > couple of minutes. > > > > Which is still more than I lasted with "Space Island One". :) > > What were these programmes? Oh, they're both on Sky. "The Cape" is a US import about the everyday trials and tribulations of a bunch of ordinary space shuttle pilots, and "Space Island One" is a rare bit of BSkyB original programming set on a multinational orbiting space platform in the early 21st century, with space suits by Katherine Hamnett. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Jan 21 08:17:08 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:17:08 -0500 Subject: Off: OED In-Reply-To: <57324.3094313341@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 20, 98 07:29:01 pm Message-ID: > That's pretty good, considering the proper paper version lists at USD >3000 (!) and the compact version for USD 350! The CD-ROM lists at USD >395. Hmm, 395? When last we looked it was more like 600 ... is the demand tapering off? :-) > Mind you, a CD-ROM is a hell of a lot easier to store than the the >hardcopy, and a bit more flexible in terms of use. Though for a hundred >bucks, it'd be tempting to get the compact version--definitely the CD-ROM C'mon, $100 bucks for the compact OED, and the neat magnifying glass that comes with since the writing is so small that you can't read it without one? And the groovy box? Besides, if you get the CD, what will you display ostentatiously in your living room? JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 21 07:27:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:27:42 EDT Subject: Off: OED In-Reply-To: <199801211317.IAA07895@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: >> From: Jeff Berry > > C'mon, $100 bucks for the compact OED, and the neat magnifying glass that comes > with since the writing is so small that you can't read it without one? > And the groovy box? Besides, if you get the CD, what will you display > ostentatiously in your living room? > > JB We handled a copy of the cd version a while back, and I think it came in some nice, impressive looking binders, which one might casually leave about on the coffee table, I guess... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 04:53:24 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:53:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Hardman DK writes >> Well, Richard Branson discarded that image for his "high adventuring >> multibillionaire" schtick long ago... Virgin are a massive corporation >> (hell, they even had a Virgin airline going at one point). > >If memory serves correct, and maybe someone can confirm this for me, >Branson sold off Virgin records, so it's actually now Virgin only in name >but actually owned by someone else. But Virgin Atlantic is still going >strong, and is Branson's. (I've flown them, and very good they were >too...). true, but he's missing the label so he launched V2 Records. One of their signings, I believe, is a re-formed Slapp Happy (Dagmar Krause et al.) who will be putting out their first release in about 20 years. BTW he also runs the trains in areas down here. You'll be releived to know the service is as useless as ever. -- Jon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 08:49:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:49:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Wed, 21 Jan 98 09:53 +0000 Message-ID: On 21 Jan 09:53, Jon Browne wrote: > true, but he's missing the label so he launched V2 Records. One of their > signings, I believe, is a re-formed Slapp Happy (Dagmar Krause et al.) > who will be putting out their first release in about 20 years. Whhhaaaaattttt???????!!!!!!!!!!! Jon, this had better not be a wind-up. "He used to wear fedoras, but now he wears a fez, There's cabbalistic innuendo in everything he says..." Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Wed Jan 21 09:04:10 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:04:10 -0600 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: Same location as last year, Brushwood in Sherman, NY. http://www.brushwood.com -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Davies-Morris [SMTP:davmor at DELTANET.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:20 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Strange Daze 98 > > Where will Strange Daze 98 be held? Inquiring minds want to know! > > From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 21 09:00:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:00:07 -0600 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: >>>OBCD - Streets, A Rock Opera - Savatage >> >>Are there by any chance any good disco-operas (aside from movie >>soundtracks) over there in your universe? Or in this one? There has to >>be... actually ICU have come close... >> >>Christian Surely you jest. A disco opera? That's like creating room temperature fire, what's the point! Disco is about dancing not thinking. Some lyrics more involved than other but overall its hardly thought provoking stuff. >Hey! Easy there... I like that CD set. I'm not sure I would call it disco >however. > >I will never EVER criticize this CD, but COME ON....how not disco is >it??? >After Richard Burton's incredible intro, after the opening orchestral >bars, check the band.... I Mean...where are those spangly flares??? >It's brilliant from start to finish ("But you're not there") but it is >sooooo D.I.S.C.O.... "Well I can see we won't be settling this over eggnog, but here's something we can all agree on, its time to go caroling." - 4 Legged Man It also depend in large part on your definition of "disco". Wash. DC was dubbed Chocolate City by Parliament Funkadelic mainly because this area lived, breathed and "booty shaked" on funk music. There is a huge difference between funk and real disco. I tend to use the term disco as it is more widely accepted when describing dance music in general, at least it seems to be with rockers. Examples: Funk Songs Flashlight - Parliament Funkadelic More Bounce to the Ounce - Roger (a great tBS cover waiting to happen) The Butt - local DC legends Trouble Funk Classic Disco songs I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor Anything by the 70's Bee Gee's The Hustle - Van McCoy Funk is to disco what Iron Maiden would be to Air Supply i.e., heavier grooves along the bass an drum lines. BOC's ETI is funky while the remake of Astronomy on Imaginos has a disco like pace with strong funk flavors. Check the bass lines, it they were a little slower its funky. And since dance music really revolves around the rhythm instruments any dance tendencies in BOC music is more than likely a result of the Bouchard Brothers. {didn't they have a R&B cover band before their BOC days?}. I don't know about ICU or the other bands you mention but if you consider it danceable it could be disco, funk or techno, you decide. Diagonally parked in a parallel universe, lil' ab From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 09:09:29 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:09:29 PST Subject: OFF: soaps and saps Message-ID: >Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. > >FoFP This is a little like what Douglas Adams suggested - Convince the useless 3rd of the population (all the middle men) that there's a really good reason for going to a pointless place and then just let them go. And that's them gotten rid of. So let's ferry all unwanted people to the moon. Hah. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 21 09:13:20 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:13:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: hullo all! Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > I kinda liked it, but not as much as _Captured Rotation_. It's 50-odd > minutes of bass-driven spacerock, you know what you're getting with Alan! > But to be honest I'd hoped for a more authentic midddle-eastern feel than > it's got, given the name of the band and the album cover. > > -Andy yeah, i got the sampler ep from it. only one track had any relevance to the band's theme. still- good tunes and all, tho'. i've been hoping alan would team up with langton. he mentioned trying to arrange a one-off a while back. i think such an arrangement would be to their mutual benefit at this point. rj From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 09:25:37 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:25:37 PST Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: >"Well I can see we won't be settling this over eggnog, but here's >something we can all agree on, its time to go caroling." - 4 Legged Man A mighty fine couplet. > >It also depend in large part on your definition of "disco". I tend to use the term disco as >it is more widely accepted when describing dance music in general, at >least it seems to be with rockers. Never trust a rocker talking about another genre! > Examples: >Funk Songs >Flashlight - Parliament Funkadelic >More Bounce to the Ounce - Roger (a great tBS cover waiting to happen) >The Butt - local DC legends Trouble Funk > >Classic Disco songs > >I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor >Anything by the 70's Bee Gee's >The Hustle - Van McCoy > >Funk is to disco what Iron Maiden would be to Air Supply i.e., heavier >grooves along the bass an drum lines. Okay - you're right so far as you go, but _War of the Worlds_ came from the height of the Disco excess era and holds its disco Afro and glitter shirt high right up beside the BeeGees, Chic, Village People, anybody.. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 21 09:22:55 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:22:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tick(ed) Off in Europe Message-ID: "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick >IT WAS YOU, YOU COMPLETE BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!1 "And so he says to me, you want to be a bad guy and I say yeah baby, I want to be bad. I said Surfs up space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps." - Evil Midnight Bomber >I knew it was someone on this list and finally the truth has revealed itself. "What's in a name anyway? If I were called Bob or Jack or Vinny or a piece of fruit, would I be any less a hero? And if Barry were called Ruppert, Max or rainbow would he be any less a jerk? I don't think so. Because a name is a rose and it only smells as sweet as you are." - The Tick >Your Tick signatures are now flooding BBC Belfast as internal email >signatures, "Like a great blue Salmon of justice the mighty Tick courses upstream to the very spawning ground of evil." The Tick because I stole them all from your postings. AND IT'S YOUR >FAULT! "When a nice clean brain tumbles to the dirty street to lie among the discarded wrappers and spat out gum wads of wickedness, you can't just pick it up and wash it off with soap and water; you gotta think it clean from the inside out." - The Tick >I am now doomed to lose at arm-wrestling contests in the canteen and be >taunted with cries of "Strike from below, viper" "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome >and "You'd have won if you'd've used Science on us good folks." "Bah warm fuzzy nice nice. What good is science if no one gets hurt?" - Chromedome >Argggghh I should never have lost me religion. "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick >Chris. "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick Thanks for making my day Chris. To all at BOC-L , its... "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey pay attention." EMB lil' ab OBCD - Maze, Live in Los Angeles From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 21 09:29:43 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:43 -0600 Subject: BOC: New Setlist Message-ID: >I've seen some posts on AOL regarding a recent BOC show in Port Jefferson >NY, where they were billed as Soft White Underbelly. Sounds like advertising was aimed at long-time, die-hard fans >Just wanted to mentionthat "I'd Like To See You in Black", "Flaming Telepaths", and "Take Me Away" were included in the setlist. Good stuff. Is TMA the new opener? FT is one of my all time faves, hope it stays in the list for a while. >This is certainly an encouraging sign for those of us who have been concerned with Eric's voice over the last year or so. I sure hope so. Eyes should be at the front of the stage. Question, though these songs are back did Eric actually sing them? Buck sang several of Eric's songs in 96'. lil ab "You know Authur, this strange Christmas episode has taught us much. Now we know that Santa is real. He's a compulsive gift giver and he's Christmas all over. We, like his wondrous reindeer, should carry his message forward. So shove that bit in your mouth, shake your mossy antlers and strike your hooves against the sky. Or just wake up and open your presents. I mean what the hey, its Christmas." The Tick From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 09:48:52 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:48:52 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:43 CST." Message-ID: >> Just wanted to mentionthat "I'd Like To See You in Black", "Flaming >> Telepaths", and "Take Me Away" were included in the setlist. > >This is certainly an encouraging sign for those of us who have been concerned > with Eric's voice over the last year or so. > > I sure hope so. Eyes should be at the front of the stage. Question, > though these songs are back did Eric actually sing them? Buck sang > several of Eric's songs in 96'. If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody new. How about BOC pal/collaborator Aldo Nova ? His career sunk without trace, so I 'spect he'd jump at the chance. Would add a real second guitarist to the group too :) cheers, Tim ObCD: Anokha _Sounds of the Asian Underground_ From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jan 21 10:01:27 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:01:27 GMT Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: <199801211448.OAA28920@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, bart wrote: >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody >new. Heretic!!!! ;) Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 21 10:01:01 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:01:01 +0800 Subject: Records, CD's, comics, etc.. for sale Message-ID: Hi all Thought you may be interested in what I have for sale on my Web Page. You may find some interesting item you have been long after there. Why not check it out. http://www.iinet.net.au/~xl5 William From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 21 10:08:55 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:08:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: At 06:25 AM 1/21/98 PST, you wrote: >>"Well I can see we won't be settling this over eggnog, but here's >>something we can all agree on, its time to go caroling." - 4 Legged >Man > >A mighty fine couplet. > >> >>It also depend in large part on your definition of "disco". I tend to >use the term disco as >>it is more widely accepted when describing dance music in general, at >>least it seems to be with rockers. > >Never trust a rocker talking about another genre! > >> Examples: >>Funk Songs >>Flashlight - Parliament Funkadelic >>More Bounce to the Ounce - Roger (a great tBS cover waiting to happen) >>The Butt - local DC legends Trouble Funk >> >>Classic Disco songs >> >>I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor >>Anything by the 70's Bee Gee's >>The Hustle - Van McCoy >> >>Funk is to disco what Iron Maiden would be to Air Supply i.e., heavier >>grooves along the bass an drum lines. > >Okay - you're right so far as you go, but _War of the Worlds_ came from >the height of the Disco excess era and holds its disco Afro and glitter >shirt high right up beside the BeeGees, Chic, Village People, anybody.. > As it so happens, Disc 1 of "War of The Worlds" is in my CD player as we speak. For reasons that I would rather not go into, I have had to listen to much more "'70's dance music" over the last 3 weeks than any member of BOC-L should have to. If you ignore what the band looks like, which has diddly to do with the music, and just listen to say, "Forever Autumn" or "Thunder Child" never mind "The Spirit of Man (disc 2)", then listen to any of the songs listed above as "Classic Disco" (or, Ghod save me, "Ring my Bell") and still think they are they same type of music, well, lets give it up right now. We are not even on the same planet, at least as far as music goes. -- Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 10:03:14 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:03:14 +0000 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: Has anyone got either of the two Widowmaker albums that Huw did during his 10 year absence? Are they worth tracking down? I have this vague recollection of seeing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test when I was about 10 in '75 (or thereabouts) and thinking they were OK but time wounds all heels. I was reading the HW entry in Adrift In The Ether last night. I never knew that **Viv Prince** filled the drum stool on occasion in the early years. Viv is, apart from being the Pretty Things drummer, a cock-er-nee rock'n'roll semi-crazed legend personal hero of mine. Wow, man, like, Viv Prince. Cited as a role model for Kieth Moon, his drumming was "positively revolutionary". -- Jon OBCD Pretty Things - Unrepentant (with Viv on the cover, the day after the Danish Heavyweight Champion took a violent dislike to the length of his hair!) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 10:18:24 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:18:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "BREVARD, Adrian R." writes > >Classic Disco songs > >I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor >Anything by the 70's Bee Gee's >The Hustle - Van McCoy You forgot one I Feel Love - Donna Summer. Arguably the most defining and influential single of the '70's. That or Anarchy In The UK by The Pistols. Certainly one of the two. -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 10:35:07 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:35:07 -0000 Subject: BOC: New Setlist Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:49 PM, bart [SMTP:bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK] wrote: > If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get > somebody > new. > How about BOC pal/collaborator Aldo Nova ? His career sunk without trace, > so I > 'spect he'd jump at the chance. Would add a real second guitarist to the > group > too :) Aldo's pretty much a full-time songwriter these days - and with three songs on Celine Dion's _Falling Into You_ album, he's not doing so bad at it... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 10:20:49 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:20:49 +0000 Subject: OFF - Ob In-Reply-To: <199801211448.OAA28920@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801211448.OAA28920 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >Tim > > >ObCD: Anokha _Sounds of the Asian Underground_ Love it esp. the Talvin Singh stuff. I'm looking forward to *a lot* more stuff like this in the next couple of years. Really dreamy. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 10:14:14 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:14:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: <19980121140929.7949.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980121140929.7949.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >>Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. >> >>FoFP > >This is a little like what Douglas Adams suggested - Convince the >useless 3rd of the population (all the middle men) that there's a really >good reason for going to a pointless place and then just let them go. >And that's them gotten rid of. > >So let's ferry all unwanted people to the moon. Hah. He did quantify this by having the "useful" 2/3 of the population die from the virus contrated from a dirty telephone. There was a point to that plot element. -- Jon Browne Useless Middleman. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 10:11:48 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:11:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: <199801211349.NAA10921@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801211349.NAA10921 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >On 21 Jan 09:53, Jon Browne wrote: >> true, but he's missing the label so he launched V2 Records. One of their >> signings, I believe, is a re-formed Slapp Happy (Dagmar Krause et al.) >> who will be putting out their first release in about 20 years. > >Whhhaaaaattttt???????!!!!!!!!!!! > >Jon, this had better not be a wind-up. > >"He used to wear fedoras, but now he wears a fez, > There's cabbalistic innuendo in everything he says..." > >Dave. >-- No, mate, I remembered you like them, which is why I posted. It's absolutely true. (Um, I could be wrong about the label but the release is 100% straight up). I have come to accept that Henry Cow/National Health/Slapp Happy/Art Bears/Hatfield & The North etc are only grouped with HW *in my mind*. If you're interested, Dr Strangely Strange have also got a new album coming out. They maintain they never split, it just took 30 years to get the 3rd album together, man! -- Jon From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 21 10:51:39 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:51:39 -0500 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: i had one of the widowmaker albums. forget the name... ahd the group sitting on the cover against a white bckgrnd. VERY lame album. could not even distinguish HUW's playing. kiddie pop for wayward kids. sold it for a buck.... pleeeeeeease leave the kids alone...... la. la. liking them at the age of 10 does not seem unreasonable. i vaguely remember liking the bay city rollers about that age... =) rj Jon Browne wrote: > Has anyone got either of the two Widowmaker albums that Huw did during > his 10 year absence? Are they worth tracking down? I have this vague > recollection of seeing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test when I was > about 10 in '75 (or thereabouts) and thinking they were OK but time > wounds all heels. I was reading the HW entry in Adrift In The Ether last > night. I never knew that **Viv Prince** filled the drum stool on > occasion in the early years. Viv is, apart from being the Pretty Things > drummer, a cock-er-nee rock'n'roll semi-crazed legend personal hero of > mine. Wow, man, like, Viv Prince. Cited as a role model for Kieth Moon, > his drumming was "positively revolutionary". > -- > Jon > OBCD Pretty Things - Unrepentant (with Viv on the cover, the day after the > Danish Heavyweight Champion took a violent dislike to the length of his hair!) From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 21 11:07:25 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:07:25 GMT Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:11:48 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Bears/Hatfield & The North etc are only grouped with HW *in my mind*. not entirely! There's a record shop I frequent in Edinburgh on a regular Hawkwind search and the owner knows this but one day after a fruitless hunt for something he suggested I listen to Hatfield & the North instead. I never did understand what he thought the link between them was. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From davmor at DELTANET.COM Wed Jan 21 11:13:24 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:13:24 -0800 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: That's the 2nd Widowmaker album. The first, with the black cat with the flashing green eyes on the cover had a different lead singer and was much harder edged. Like a smoother Mott The Hoople. I gave it to a _very_ sexy girl a lifetime ago, because she loved the song *Mean What You Say*, which had the chorus: "Do you, do you really, do you really mean what you say? Can I, can I have some, I will pay you back some day." Jenny, Jenny...brings back outrageous memories! Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: sprawl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:56 AM Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker >i had one of the widowmaker albums. forget the name... ahd the group sitting on >the cover against a white bckgrnd. VERY lame album. could not even distinguish >HUW's >playing. kiddie pop for wayward kids. sold it for a buck.... >pleeeeeeease leave the kids alone...... la. la. >liking them at the age of 10 does not seem unreasonable. i vaguely remember liking >the bay city rollers about that age... =) >rj > >Jon Browne wrote: > >> Has anyone got either of the two Widowmaker albums that Huw did during >> his 10 year absence? Are they worth tracking down? I have this vague >> recollection of seeing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test when I was >> about 10 in '75 (or thereabouts) and thinking they were OK but time >> wounds all heels. I was reading the HW entry in Adrift In The Ether last >> night. I never knew that **Viv Prince** filled the drum stool on >> occasion in the early years. Viv is, apart from being the Pretty Things >> drummer, a cock-er-nee rock'n'roll semi-crazed legend personal hero of >> mine. Wow, man, like, Viv Prince. Cited as a role model for Kieth Moon, >> his drumming was "positively revolutionary". >> -- >> Jon >> OBCD Pretty Things - Unrepentant (with Viv on the cover, the day after the >> Danish Heavyweight Champion took a violent dislike to the length of his hair!) > From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 11:14:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:14:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:11 +0000 Message-ID: On 21 Jan 15:11, Jon Browne wrote: > No, mate, I remembered you like them, which is why I posted. It's > absolutely true. (Um, I could be wrong about the label but the release > is 100% straight up). You've just made my day. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 11:15:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:15:40 PST Subject: OFF: Tick(ed) Off in Europe Message-ID: Adrian R. BREVARD, said.... .....Tick(ed) Off in Europe.......... ...The Tick............ .....Evil Midnight Bomber.......... .......The Tick............ ..the mighty Tick............ .............The Tick........... .........The Tick............ ...........Chromedome.............. ......................Chromedome........... ......The Tick........... ...The Tick.............. .......EMB............. ..lil' ab............... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHh. These are names which I mumble in my sleep as the closing neap tides of insanity wash ever-higher up the moist and sandy beaches of my unconscious mind. I'm slipping. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 21 11:23:45 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:23:45 GMT Subject: OFF: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:09:29 PST Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > This is a little like what Douglas Adams suggested - Convince the > useless 3rd of the population (all the middle men) that there's a really > good reason for going to a pointless place and then just let them go. > And that's them gotten rid of. > > So let's ferry all unwanted people to the moon. Hah. hmmm... well given Michael Fauld's comment that the best people for long distance space trips would be elderly folk since the potential risk associated with increased radiation dosage would on balance matter less to someone who already had a family and/or achieved career success or whatever than to a young person who was only just starting out on this (as well as other reasons connected with the duration of long space trips) I have wondered if the fact that John Glenn is going back into space as an elderly man doesn't suggest that someone is taking this idea half seriously. I mean can you think of a better way of reducing an excessively large ageing population than shipping them all off on a long space flight somewhere? Douglas Adams> prophet jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 21 11:35:09 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:35:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:23:45 GMT." <199801211623.QAA25022@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > half seriously. I mean can you think of a better way of reducing an > excessively large ageing population than shipping them all off on a long > space flight somewhere? > Yay, when I'm 70-ish, gimme a spaceship full of bombs and a surfboard, so I can re-enact one of my fave films of all time :-) What a way to go! Tim ObSong: _Benson, Arizona_ :) ObCD: Leftfield, _leftism_ From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Jan 21 11:55:32 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:55:32 -0500 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: >From: sprawl >i had one of the widowmaker albums. forget the name... ahd the group sitting on >the cover against a white bckgrnd. VERY lame album. could not even distinguish >HUW's >playing. kiddie pop for wayward kids. sold it for a buck.... I believe that was the only Widowmaker album to have Huw on it... err, well, he's pictured on the front cover but not on the back. My guess is he left during the recording of the album. When that happens, frequently the deserter's (-8 contributions are buried in the mix if not replaced entirely, which would account for not being able to distinguish Huw's playing. It is a very unmemorable album: "for completists only". Although I do remember a fondness for one slow song; I think the title was "Pin A Rose On Me" or some such. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 10:36:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:36:37 -0000 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:03 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > Has anyone got either of the two Widowmaker albums that Huw did during > his 10 year absence? I've got _Too Late to Cry_. > Are they worth tracking down? I'll put it this way: you can have copy for nowt if you want :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 12:19:57 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:19:57 PST Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: >As it so happens, Disc 1 of "War of The Worlds" is in my CD player as we >speak. For reasons that I would rather not go into, I have had to listen >to much more "'70's dance music" over the last 3 weeks than any member of >BOC-L should have to. If you ignore what the band looks like, which has >diddly to do with the music, and just listen to say, "Forever Autumn" or >"Thunder Child" never mind "The Spirit of Man (disc 2)", then listen to any >of the songs listed above as "Classic Disco" (or, Ghod save me, "Ring my >Bell") and still think they are they same type of music, well, lets give it >up right now. We are not even on the same planet, at least as far as music >goes. Okay - so maybe I was getting a little over-enthusiastic, but the backbeat at the very start is well disco. The rest, I do agree isn't so, although the suggestion of swinging hips is there. So let's go carrolling, then egg-nog. So what goes the geek code say??? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 21 12:27:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:27:00 +0000 Subject: Off: OED Message-ID: On ons 21 jan 1998 08.17 -0500 "Jeff Berry" wrote: > Hmm, 395? When last we looked it was more like 600 ... is the demand > tapering off? :-) The price did get lowered recently ... 395 is from the OUP-US web site. > Besides, if you get the CD, what will you display > ostentatiously in your living room? My '76 Ric 4001 of course :) Not that I have a living room :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 12:30:32 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:30:32 PST Subject: OFF - Ob Message-ID: >>ObCD: Anokha _Sounds of the Asian Underground_ > >Love it esp. the Talvin Singh stuff. I'm looking forward to *a lot* more >stuff like this in the next couple of years. Really dreamy. >-- Hey - I caught Talvin Singh in Queen's Student's Union about a year ago (along with Spring-heeled Jack) and he pretty much wiped me out. Those fingers!!!!!! Ahhhhh. Mind yew, if he'd had a guitar player too, it'd have been the Bollywood equivalent of SpaceRock!!! 8^) Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 21 12:39:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:39:40 PST Subject: OFF: soaps and saps Message-ID: >>>Maybe what NASA need to do is sponsor a soap show around a Moonbase. >>> >>>FoFP >> >>This is a little like what Douglas Adams suggested - Convince the >>useless 3rd of the population (all the middle men) that there's a really >>good reason for going to a pointless place and then just let them go. >>And that's them gotten rid of. >> >>So let's ferry all unwanted people to the moon. Hah. > >He did quantify this by having the "useful" 2/3 of the population die >from the virus contrated from a dirty telephone. There was a point to >that plot element. >-- >Jon Browne >Useless Middleman. > Well, yeah, I know that, and I kinda realized how, umm, perhaps pointedly nasty (perhaps) what I posted sounded, about oooohh 3 seconds after I'd clicked "SEND". I'm sorry. Anyway, YOU know you're not useless, why do you need my affirmation? (Joke. Not funny I know, but I've just had a really really really shite phone conversation with our singer and I'm still shaking. Forgive me these indiscretions!) Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 10:43:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:43:39 -0000 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:18 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > I Feel Love - Donna Summer. Arguably the most defining and influential > single of the '70's. That or Anarchy In The UK by The Pistols. Certainly > one of the two. > -- > Jon Don't you mean The Gender Pistols? Sorry! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 21 13:37:05 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:37:05 -0500 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: John McIntyre wrote: > well, he's pictured on the front cover but not on the back. My guess is he > left during the recording of the album. When that happens, frequently the > deserter's (-8 contributions are buried in the mix if not replaced > entirely, which would account for not being able to distinguish Huw's > playing. It is a very unmemorable album: "for completists only". Although > I do remember a fondness for one slow song; I think the title was "Pin A > Rose On Me" or some such. > yeah that's it. i heard a song from the more recent group poison that had a similar sound.i kinda remember the album as a whole as being sorta bad co.-meets-reospeedwagon- meets-poison. yeah, yeah. that's it. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 21 13:39:15 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:39:15 -0500 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: Steven Davies-Morris wrote: > That's the 2nd Widowmaker album. The first, with the black cat with the > flashing green eyes on the cover had a different lead singer and was much > harder edged. Like a smoother Mott The Hoople. I gave it to a _very_ > sexy girl a lifetime ago, because she loved the song *Mean What You Say*, > which had the chorus: > > "Do you, do you really, do you really mean what you say? > Can I, can I have some, I will pay you back some day." > > Jenny, Jenny...brings back outrageous memories! so... did she.... tell tell ya what she wants what she really really wants? rj From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jan 21 13:38:59 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:38:59 +0100 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <01BD2682.9F2EF2A0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 15:36 21.01.98 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >I've got _Too Late to Cry_. > >> Are they worth tracking down? > >I'll put it this way: you can have copy for nowt if you want :) It's Huw's haircut that makes those albums worth having. Christian From mlooney at IONET.NET Wed Jan 21 14:04:27 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:04:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's Message-ID: At 09:19 AM 1/21/98 PST, you wrote: >Okay - so maybe I was getting a little over-enthusiastic, but the >backbeat at the very start is well disco. >The rest, I do agree isn't so, although the suggestion of swinging hips >is there. >So let's go carrolling, then egg-nog. > >So what goes the geek code say??? > Short version? 38 year old computer nerd, under sized, married, no kids, bookworm, published role player, and a bit weird. From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Jan 21 13:53:42 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:53:42 +0100 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: Jon wrote: >> I sure hope so. Eyes should be at the front of the stage. >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody new. Or, just do more Buck songs and let Buck sing, which is what they were doing. I don't support the idea of kicking Eric out because of some vocal problems, anymore than I support the idea of kicking Albert out for various reasons. You don't just kick out someone who's been a viable member for years just because there's a problem - you try and FIX the problem, IMHO. Many people have said that BOC just doesn't seem the same if Eric isn't the lead vocalist, so I would think that BOC should make an investment in him if he has vocal issues and try and get him some help from a specialist. Yeah, maybe I'm being wonderfully naive and all that, but you don't buy a new car just 'cuz you got a flat tire... On another point, and you could probably use this point as an argument for or against getting rid of the guy - BOC's best days are probably behind them (not that good days may not be ahead, but will they ever headline stadiums again? I wouldn't bet on it) and replacing him will do little if anything as far as the general public is concerned to change BOC's fate. So, why p*ss off hard-core fans, not to mention a band member for over 25 years for a change that's likely to have no major difference in the band's future? John ObCD: The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper From davmor at DELTANET.COM Wed Jan 21 15:56:54 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:56:54 -0800 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: Jenny always told me what was on her mind. Deliciously shocking... She was a real gem...one that *got away* Regards SDM -----Original Message----- From: sprawl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:46 AM Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker >Steven Davies-Morris wrote: > >> That's the 2nd Widowmaker album. The first, with the black cat with the >> flashing green eyes on the cover had a different lead singer and was much >> harder edged. Like a smoother Mott The Hoople. I gave it to a _very_ >> sexy girl a lifetime ago, because she loved the song *Mean What You Say*, >> which had the chorus: >> >> "Do you, do you really, do you really mean what you say? >> Can I, can I have some, I will pay you back some day." >> >> Jenny, Jenny...brings back outrageous memories! > >so... did she.... tell tell ya what she wants what she really really wants? >rj > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 21 16:12:20 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:12:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ticking Again Message-ID: "Hey a letter. (singing voice) Somebody loves Die Fledermaus..." >Adrian R. BREVARD, said.... .....Tick(ed) Off in Europe.......... ...The Tick............ .....Evil Midnight Bomber.......... .......The Tick............ ..the mighty Tick............ .............The Tick........... .........The Tick............ ...........Chromedome.............. ......................Chromedome........... ......The Tick........... ...The Tick.............. .......EMB............. ..lil' ab............... >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHh. >These are names which I mumble in my sleep as the closing neap tides of >insanity wash ever-higher up the moist and sandy beaches of my >unconscious mind. I'm slipping. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only >hope. >Chris. "You're not going crazy, your going sane in a crazy world." lil ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 21 16:23:12 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:23:12 -0600 Subject: BOC: No Eric? NO WAY! Message-ID: >> I sure hope so. Eyes should be at the front of the stage. >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody new. Whoa fella, you couldn't do that. Better to just break up than replace Eric. Eric is more than a singer he's a large part of the bands persona and image. Without Eric, Buck's solo career begins. Please tell me you jest. Besides I feel one day Eric will get back to normal and sing again. >Or, just do more Buck songs and let Buck sing, which is what they were >doing. I don't support the idea of kicking Eric out because of some vocal problems, anymore than I support the idea of kicking Albert out for various reasons. Agreed. Another option would be to let Danny sing some. He seems capable enough. I have a hard time imagining BOC without Eric. Fortunately I was too busy "booty shaking" when both the Bouchard brothers had left. I didn't have to endure the pain of those departures. >I Feel Love - Donna Summer. Arguably the most defining and influential > single of the '70's. That or Anarchy In The UK by The Pistols. Certainly > one of the two. > -- Is this the same as Love to Love You Baby? Song took up the entire side of the LP? I know Donna's debut was released in Europe prior to the US. If we are talking about the same song it is one most responsible for the disco movement in America. I was at a house party the night I first heard it. Damn thing was played about 5 times that night. We wuz sweatin'. lil ab From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 21 16:05:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:05:03 EDT Subject: BOC: No Eric? NO WAY! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody > new. > > Whoa fella, you couldn't do that. Better to just break up than replace > Eric. Eric is more than a singer he's a large part of the bands persona > and image. Without Eric, Buck's solo career begins. Please tell me you > jest. Besides I feel one day Eric will get back to normal and sing > again. > Right on all counts, AB! No EB, no BOC. If EB can't sing, then break up the band and let BD start producing records and doing studio work...I've been listening to TaM today, which is, more than any BOC album, Eric's record [he wrote a lot of stuff and does most of the lead vocals on this one]. And this record went a long way towards establishing the BOC mystique. Cheer up, dudes. The last show I saw [summer '97] EB sounded the best I'd heard him all year. I've a feeling he's snapping out of it. Didn't Bolle say that there's nothing physically wrong with EB? Sounds like maybe he's coming around finally? Anyone seen the group lately? Maybe Manuel can give us an analysis of EB's vocal state... > >Or, just do more Buck songs and let Buck sing, which is what they were > >doing. I don't support the idea of kicking Eric out because of some vocal > problems, anymore than I support the idea of kicking Albert out for > various reasons. > > Agreed. Another option would be to let Danny sing some. He seems > capable enough. I have a hard time imagining BOC without Eric. > Fortunately I was too busy "booty shaking" when both the Bouchard > brothers had left. I didn't have to endure the pain of those > departures. > But preferably on new material, and preferably stuff Danny would write! Even though I dig EB, I'm not wild about him singing CoF, and I'd rather not make things worse by having DM sing songs originally done by EB. The voices are crucial to the ambiance of the songs... theo ................................... "I told you not to be stupid..." --Ben S. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jan 21 17:43:38 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:43:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dark Star / soaps and saps In-Reply-To: <199801211635.QAA29071@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 16:35 21.01.98 +0000, you wrote: >Yay, when I'm 70-ish, gimme a spaceship full of bombs and a surfboard, so I >can re-enact one of my fave films of all time :-) > >What a way to go! > > >Tim > >ObSong: _Benson, Arizona_ :) Dark Star! **Great** movie (though a tad tedious at times)- early echoes of O'Bannon's ALIEN there even. Along with Hitchiker's Guide, a definite sf satire classic. Christian "Dosto-who?" From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 21 18:39:46 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:39:46 -0700 Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: <34c60d9d.9963846@pop.vnet.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jean Lansford wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, bart wrote: > > >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody > >new. > > If you can't cut Eric some slack for singing 30+ years, then why don't YOU JETTISON?!?!?!?!?!............Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 21 18:59:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:59:48 -0000 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:13 PM, Steven Davies-Morris [SMTP:davmor at DELTANET.COM] wrote: > That's the 2nd Widowmaker album. The first, with the black cat with the > flashing green eyes on the cover had a different lead singer and was much > harder edged. Like a smoother Mott The Hoople. I gave it to a _very_ > sexy girl a lifetime ago, because she loved the song *Mean What You Say*, > which had the chorus: > > "Do you, do you really, do you really mean what you say? > Can I, can I have some, I will pay you back some day." > > Jenny, Jenny...brings back outrageous memories! _Too Late to Cry_ is the one with the cat. In the picture, it had, like, just knocked over a bottle of milk, hence the title. Seafood pizza always reminds me of Sian, who was, basically, the fuck of the century. Doesn't change my opinion of seafood pizza, however. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jan 21 19:30:10 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:30:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. Message-ID: I heard one of the Widowmaker albums (I don't remember which one) some years back and thought it was some of the most godawful crap I'd ever heard, and Huw's guitar wasn't very audible. You might try getting Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on which Huw plays all the guitars (including the original version of Shot Down in the Night), and Simon King plays drums. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but it wasn't terrible.... it's the sort of thing you would hear a lot in the early eighties, with those stoopid sort of "city life is tough"- type lyrics that were so chic then. It's a fairly mainstream, new wavish album, but Huw's guitar is loud and clear on both rhythm and lead, and he does, by the way, play some cool lead stuff. I'm a big fan of Huw's playing. I truly think he's one of the unrecognized greats, and he really has a recognizable style quite unlike anyone else. I read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know what magazine that would be? Perhaps I could contact the magazine, if I only knew which one, and try to find those ancient issues. I'd be curious what he has to say about guitar playing. Does anyone know what he's up to now? Any recent releases? I never could find a copy of River Run. Does anyone know where I might be able to get one and for how much? Also, I'd be interested in getting bootleg tapes of any of Huw's shows, such as his batch of acoustic shows he's been doing. Thanks, John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Jan 22 00:04:37 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:04:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: album news In-Reply-To: <34C60280.94C15935@blackboard.com> Message-ID: Eric posted the following to AOL: >Subject: stuff >Date: Wed, Jan 21, 1998 1:43 >From: OYSTRBOY >Message-id: <19980121014400.UAA06115 at ladder01.news.aol.com> > >Latest I can find out is the following: "Official" release date in USA >from CMC >International Records is March 24. The King Biscuit thingie is >happening >later this year, probably around summer '98. Hope to see 'yas >out west >starting friday...tomorrow i will try to post all the west coast >dates again >with venues. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jan 22 02:47:32 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:47:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. Message-ID: It was early issues of Guitarist magazine. Who now virtually point-blank refuse to accept all knowledge of Huw's existence. An ex-DJ on our local radio station (now sadly gone the way of many commercial radio stations) used to run a twice weekly rock show. He also knew Huw from years back and sometimes got him along for interviews. The DJ eventually started a local guitar club, and the first special guest was Huw! It's a very strange feeling to be standing next to one of your guitar heroes in a pub in the middle of nowehere in the gents... But I did manage to get to talk to Huw afterwards (even though he's a tad deaf!) which was absolutely brilliant for me. That was about 4 years ago. Since then, I've seen Huw a couple of times playing at festivals in Wales and West England, but haven't heard anything about the festivals for a couple of years either. He was still playing extremely well, and would guest with harvye Bainbridge and Friends And Relations (Hawkwind tribute band). Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ >I'm a big fan of Huw's playing. I truly think he's one of the unrecognized >greats, and he really has a recognizable style quite unlike anyone else. I >read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine >in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know >what magazine that would be? Perhaps I could contact the magazine, if I >only knew which one, and try to find those ancient issues. I'd be curious >what he has to say about guitar playing. Does anyone know what he's up to >now? Any recent releases? From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jan 22 04:50:55 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:50:55 GMT Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > I'm a big fan of Huw's playing. I truly think he's one of the unrecognized > greats, and he really has a recognizable style quite unlike anyone else. I I like his playing with HW, his sound and feel fit in very nicely. His solo work leaves me terribly unconvinced. Whenever I've seen him and I've been sober it's been a slightly dull experience, but if I've been really drunk then I've really enjoyed myself. Make of that what you will. > read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine > in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know > what magazine that would be? It was Guitarist. He was writing for it when it first came out back in about 1984. They have a web site. Try a search for Music Maker publications. > I'd be curious what he has to say about guitar playing. I remember buying an issue when I first started learning the guitar. Because it had a Huw column in I kept it for years (lost it moving house). A great column, all about the importance of good quality leads and jack plugs. Must have taken two or three minutes to put together. In retrospect it was no dafter than Eric Johnson banging on about how brass plugs are the best and you can tell Duracell batteries apart from all the others when you use 'em in your FX pedals. Actually it was more relevant to me at the time than any Satriani or Van Halen column on the importance of playing fast in the Dorian mode! Chris Bates From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:25:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:25:09 +0000 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Ola Nyberg writes >I don't >understand how somebody can think it's cool to call himself *Ariel >Bender* (penned the Widowmaker ballads, ex Mott the Hoople guitarist), >but it's a lot better than the Spice Girls! What do you mean? Ariel Bender's one of the coolest rock names *ever*! -- Zeus B. Held From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Jan 22 05:54:31 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:54:31 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I play guitar to a very poor standard and I'm trying to find some Hawkwind tablature, but there doesn'y seem to be any anywhere. Can anyone suggest an internet address or maybe e-mail me some? Cheers. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:27:41 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:27:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: <199801211607.QAA16532@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801211607.QAA16532 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Jon Browne writes: > > >> Bears/Hatfield & The North etc are only grouped with HW *in my mind*. > >not entirely! There's a record shop I frequent in Edinburgh on a >regular Hawkwind search and the owner knows this but one day after a >fruitless hunt for something he suggested I listen to Hatfield & the >North instead. I never did understand what he thought the link between >them was. > Did you like them? Pip Pyle played with them. Very tenous connection, though. -- Jon Browne From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jan 22 06:03:13 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:03:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. In-Reply-To: <199801220030.TAA00732@wcic.org> Message-ID: I heard one of the Widowmaker albums (I don't remember which one) some years back and thought it was some of the most godawful crap I'd ever heard, and Huw's guitar wasn't very audible. You might try getting Steve Swindell's album "Fresh Blood" on which Huw plays all the guitars (including the original version of Shot Down in the Night), and Simon King plays drums. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but it wasn't terrible.... it's the sort of thing you would hear a lot in the early eighties, with those stoopid sort of "city life is tough"- type lyrics that were so chic then. It's a fairly mainstream, new wavish album, but Huw's guitar is loud and clear on both rhythm and lead, and he does, by the way, play some cool lead stuff. I'm a big fan of Huw's playing. I truly think he's one of the unrecognized greats, and he really has a recognizable style quite unlike anyone else. I read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know what magazine that would be? Perhaps I could contact the magazine, if I only knew which one, and try to find those ancient issues. I'd be curious what he has to say about guitar playing. Does anyone know what he's up to now? Any recent releases? I never could find a copy of River Run. Does anyone know where I might be able to get one and for how much? Also, I'd be interested in getting bootleg tapes of any of Huw's shows, such as his batch of acoustic shows he's been doing. Thanks, John Majka flossbac at wcic.org I used to have a copy of Steve Swindel's 'Fresh Blood' and I really think that it wasn't all that good at all, EXCEPT for two tracks. The first is obviosly 'Shot Down in the Night' and the other track worth listening to is called 'Figures of Authority'. The single of 'Shot Down' was a different mix to the album, and it would have been great if the B-side was 'Figures of Authority', instead of the dire track that was pulled from the album. Huw's playing was superb as ever. Huw last appeared with Hawkind at a benefit gig in Blackheath (UK) last summer. He did the three tracks of the encore, but unfortunately, one of the roadies had the wrong mike against his amp for the first of those tracks, (my mate Raymond was doing the sound-desk and was really pissed-off) but he last two tracks saw Huw's guitar with crystal clarity for the benefit of all. Changing the subject completely, the tracks that were credited as being from an undisclosed 1989 gig on the 'Undisclosed Files' LP and CD were actually from the Hammersmith Odeon gig, 8th Dec 1988. (Huw's penultimate performance with HW before quitting.) The first two tracks of the concert are only on the LP version (Masters of the Universe & Coded Languages) and then the CD takes the tracks from there up to the end of Angels of Death. (The LP version fades out in the middle of Angels) Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 22 06:26:38 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:26:38 GMT Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:03:13 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > Changing the subject completely, the tracks that were credited as > being from an undisclosed 1989 gig on the 'Undisclosed Files' LP and > CD were actually from the Hammersmith Odeon gig, 8th Dec 1988. (Huw's > penultimate performance with HW before quitting.) The first two tracks > of the concert are only on the LP version (Masters of the Universe & > Coded Languages) and then the CD takes the tracks from there up to the > end of Angels of Death. (The LP version fades out in the middle of > Angels) Yep, I think when I looked at this for the Codex I concluded that the tracks were from 84 and 88 with odds on it being one of the Hammersmith gigs in 88. > Guy Thomas FoFP From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Jan 22 06:45:10 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:45:10 +0100 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: In article , Ola Nyberg writes >I don't >understand how somebody can think it's cool to call himself *Ariel >Bender* (penned the Widowmaker ballads, ex Mott the Hoople guitarist), >but it's a lot better than the Spice Girls! Message-ID: From: Ola Nyberg > > *Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or > what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel > Bender... Gimme a break. > > Ola > Help! Ariel is a reference to Shakespeare's The Tempest... From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jan 22 07:40:16 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:40:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff for sale (again) In-Reply-To: <199801221126.LAA01283@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I thought I would re-send the list, as there have been a few changes, and the previous list was a bit scrambled! Contact: guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk Singles: Urban Guerrilla / Brainbox Pollution UA plain cover ?8.00 Angels of Death / Transdimensional Man RCA Pic cover ?4.00 Shot Down in the Night / Urban Guerilla Bronze pic cover ?4.00 Moorcock:Dodgum Dude Flicknife Moorcock signed pic sleeve - mint ?20.00 Motorhead: Ace of Spades Bronze tatty pic sleeve ?2.00 Motorhead: Golden Years 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Beer Drinkers 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Headgirl (Motorhead/Girlschool): Please don't touch good ?3.00 LP's: Space Ritual, Double UA gatefold sleeve, average ?7.00 Hall of the mountain grill UA pic inner sleeve, average ?9.00 Hall of the mountain grill EMI re-issue excellent ?4.00 Warrior on the edge of time Shield of Chaos cover, Moorcock signed ?25.00 Quark, strangeness and charm, Charisma tatty, pic inner ?5.00 25 Years On - Hawklords Charisma, re-issue good ?5.00 Levitation Black vinyl Bronze good ?5.00 Levitation Blue vinyl Bronze good ?17.00 Twice upon a time Flicknife good ?5.00 Zones Flicknife excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 1 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 2 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 3 Samurai excellent ?5.00 The Hawkwind Collection, Double Castle excellent ?7.00 Live Chronicles, Double GWR Excellent ?10.00 Calvert: Captain Lockheed US ATCO Single Cover ?10.00 Calvert: Hype A-Side Mint ?15.00 Calvert: Freq Flicknife Mint ?10.00 Calvert: Lucky Leif Beat Goes On Mint ?10.00 ICU: New Anatomy Demi Monde Excellent ?6.00 Motorhead: No Remorse (Leather cover, pic inners,slightly scratched) ?13.00 Motorhead: No Sleep 'til Hammersmith Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Iron Fist Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Bomber Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Overkill Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Another perfect Day Bronze Excellent ?5.00 Motorhead: On Parole UA Mint ?5.00 Motorhead: Motorhead Chiswick Mint ?5.00 CD's: Alien EBS Signed by Dave, Alan, Richard, Ron, ?60.00 Love In Space EP EBS Different Black/White promo cover ?20.00 X In Search of Space EMI Original CD issue ?8.00 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Castle ?9.00 The Best of Hawkwind Castle Compilation ?4.00 Space Ritual Double CD in long box (US Import) ?15.00 Spacehead Of Space and Time EBS ?10.00 Pressurehead Sudden Vertigo Cleopatra ?10.00 Miscellaneous: Video: VHS PAL Night of the Hawks (with ECT show recorded from TV & 1972 Silver Machine on end) ?18.00 Video: VHS PAL Chronicle of the Black Sword, Moorcock autographed sleeve ?25.00 Video: VHS PAL Live Legends ?14.00 Cassette: Business Trip re-glued tape housing ?2.00 Cassette: Harvey Bainbridge: Interstellar Chaos ?4.00 Cassette: Alman Mulo Band: Afrodiziac ?4.00 Alien Tour Poster (ten) each ?1.00 BBC 1/4" Reel-reel tapes: 1972 Paris Theatre session 2 reels ?60.00 From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Jan 22 08:38:33 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:38:33 +0100 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: > > *Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or > what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel > Bender... Gimme a break. > > Ola > >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU wrote: > >Help! Ariel is a reference to Shakespeare's The Tempest... The "or what?" was a question, since I didn't know what it was a reference to. I guess it's pretty clear that I didn't take English literature and, yes, I do feel like an idiot, but I still think *Ariel Bender* sounds very uncool. Now that we've got *Ariel* straightened out (thanks "tojackson"), is *Bender* the last name of the same Shakespeare character, or what? I still haven't read The Tempest... Best, Ola From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:46:35 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:46:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. In-Reply-To: <199801220030.TAA00732@wcic.org> Message-ID: In article <199801220030.TAA00732 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes > I truly think he's one of the unrecognized >greats, and he really has a recognizable style quite unlike anyone else. Agreed. > I >read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine >in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know >what magazine that would be? The mag was "Guitarist", the column was "Langton's Lead Lines" And no, I've never seen one! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:39:44 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:39:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: soaps and saps In-Reply-To: <19980121173940.6385.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980121173940.6385.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >Well, yeah, I know that, and I kinda realized how, umm, perhaps >pointedly nasty (perhaps) what I posted sounded, about oooohh 3 seconds >after I'd clicked "SEND". It wasn't taken as such. I was just making that point. >I'm sorry. Don't be! I didn't take it as rude in the slightest. >Anyway, YOU know you're not useless, erm......well, my kids need me! > why do you need my >affirmation? In the Adams-ian sence I truly am a "useless" middleman. But that was the point he was making..... >(Joke. Not funny I know, but I've just had a really really >really shite phone conversation with our singer and I'm still shaking. >Forgive me these indiscretions!) Band politics. As stressful as marriage. You have my sympathy. Singers, eh? :) > >Chris. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:48:58 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:48:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Disco Opera's In-Reply-To: <01BD2683.8D16E0E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD2683.8D16E0E0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes > >Don't you mean The Gender Pistols? > >Sorry! :) > >-Andy Grrrooooan! -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 22 09:17:14 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:17:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: album news Message-ID: >Latest I can find out is the following: "Official" release date in USA >from CMC >International Records is March 24. I hope that this means that the release of the album is now completely out of BOC's hands - that is, recording and mixing are completed, and we are now only relying on CMC to deliver the goods. That would be very good news indeed. Now, if CMC would just update their website to indicate BOC's release is coming... John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 05:51:10 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:51:10 +0000 Subject: OFF - Ob In-Reply-To: <19980121173032.6217.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980121173032.6217.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes > >Hey - I caught Talvin Singh in Queen's Student's Union about a year ago >(along with Spring-heeled Jack) and he pretty much wiped me out. Those >fingers!!!!!! Ahhhhh. >Mind yew, if he'd had a guitar player too, it'd have been the Bollywood >equivalent of SpaceRock!!! 8^) > >Chris. And I caught Spring-Heeled Jack supporting Spiritualized at The Albert Hall, which is coming out as a live album - Yay! cosmic, man! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 09:08:54 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:08:54 +0000 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Ola Nyberg writes >*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >Bender... Gimme a break. > >Ola No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically gay. It genuinely took some guts to call yourself a bender in the early '70's. anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that name! -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 22 09:21:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:21:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Agents Gold CD Message-ID: Got my copy of the AoF Gold CD direct from Mobile Fidelity yesterday. Very nice! Sonically superior to the original CD (although the original wasn't too shabby), it has better dynamic range and bass. The liner notes are nice (some comments from Buck), with lyrics and what I believe is some of the artwork from the original vinyl release. John From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jan 22 09:17:27 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:17:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind support band 1992 tour - KREL In-Reply-To: <2416401222011998/A05783/LNMV02/11C1B3280F00@LNAL01> Message-ID: KREL have a new CD out (availlable by mail order from ANDY G at CDS in Dundee Scotland). It is probably THE BEST space rock album in the past five years (say I, Guy Thomas, a die-hard Hawkwind fan for the past 18 years!) Here's a brief history of the band: (If you want a formatted version of this, E-mail me on guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk and I will send back a WORD 6.0/7.0 file.) Likewise any more info, contact me, or Andy at CDS: andygee at dial.pipex.com Telephone Andy G for purchases on UK 44-(0)1382-776595 or Fax him on UK 44-(0)1382-736 702 THE KREL Past, present & future In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty and noble race of beings which called themselves "The Krel". Ethically, as well as technologically, they were a million years ahead of humankind, in unlocking the mysteries of nature. And when in the course of aeons they had abolished sickness, insanity and crime and all injustice , they turned with high benevolence outwards towards space..... WHO ARE THE KREL ? Never heard of KREL?!? Yet, all across the galaxy, Alien nations scratch their odd-shaped heads and marvel at the fact that even on their home planet there are people who aren't aware that less than a light year away, (unless you travel by Metrolink) lies a band, inter-galactically renowned for their soaring, searing, space rock sound. If you belong to this category, then please step into the time machine to your left and allow yourself to be whisked back through time to THE DAWN OF KREL EPOCH: Back in the fading mists of time (Solar Ref: 1988), Martin M.- rhythm guitar, vox, synths and Radar Dave - lead guitar and vox, were involved in the bands Eddy's Pipe and Moonstone which were fairly significant in the terms of solstice/folk style music, but ending their sets with Nik Turner's Watching the Grass Grow convinced them to ditch the hippie thing and get involved with proper rock/space rock music, which their audiences seemed to prefer. So due to the age-old excuse of musical differences, Martin and Dave drifted away, to team up with: Mr. Dibs (bass, vox), [the ever so slightly annoyed] Floyd (keyboards, synths) and Phil Peak (drums) to become the world renowned Purple Otters Trotters (P.O.T.). Those same mists of time have obscured the fact that P.O.T. may have actually gigged on a few occasions, and recorded a tape - titled Mike Moorcock's Underpants, either with Phil on drums or a drum machine, but P.O.T. did actually play at Manchester's Swinging Sporran venue for a benefit gig for the Traveller's Aid Trust, in 1989. The M.M.U. tape was a creditable collection of Hawkwind covers. With the addition of a new drummer, the band was reborn as KREL. OCTOBER 1990 After a year of intensive writing, rehearsal and recording, the fledgling KREL prepare to release themselves on an unsuspecting world. Musicnauts of the KREL-CREW at this stage are: Martin M, Mr. Dibbs, Radar Dave, Floyd, and Mike Man - the new man on drums and percussion. Armed only with their instruments, they embark on the treacherous journey to the Poodleburger Bike Rally. This results in near disaster, due to a steep hill, a wet road and dodgy brakes. Thankfully they escape unharmed and continue gigging around Stockport and Manchester to promote the self financed "Who's next on This" debut cassette album. They soon built up a reputation for their live performances, (dayglo spectaculars featuring dancers, jugglers and mime artists), which leads to them being asked to headline a benefit gig for Amnesty International at the R.N.C.M., which also played host to Henry Normal, Lemn Sissay and Picasso Jones, who as well as being a dancer for KREL was a singer/songwriter in his own right. In amongst the headlining gigs, KREL were building up a reputation as a reliable and efficient support band, playing with Dumpy's Rusty Nuts (for the N.A.B.D.) and gigs in Manchester and Wolverhampton with the Ozrics. DECEMBER 1991 Where KREL were asked to play a couple of support slots for Hawkwind at Bradford and York as a small taster for the British spring '92 tour. In between, KREL continued to gig locally as well as playing at a Club Dog event in London with Dub the Earth. The next few months were spent rehearsing, as well as making and collating recordings for the next cassette album, which was released in: SPRING 1992 "Dark Star" was released to accompany the UK tour with Hawkwind, which covered 23 towns/cities, and had a combined audience of approx. 45,000 people who delighted in KREL's own particular brand of audio-visual entertainment. (Editors note:- I got to see three gigs of the tour, at Hemmel Hempstead, Hammersmith Odeon and the final show at Reading. KREL were at the very least on an equal par with the mighty Hawkwind, putting in some awesome performances, Hammersmith in particular was superb!) As well as the "Dark Star" and "Who's Next.." material, the band played most of the tracks from a third (sadly) unreleased tape, nicknamed "The Shed", (after The Shed studios in Romily where it was recorded.) Picasso and another friend, Siobhan, joined the band on stage in a superb dancing capacity. KREL are easily the best support act that Hawkwind have ever had, and were in perilous danger of severely outshining them. They even popped into the set , once or twice, the old unreleased Hawkwind classic "Where are they now?". The only dull moment of the entire tour was due to an administration error which resulted in the entourage spending time at Watford gap service-station, and missing the Preston show. Floyd was invited to part company soon after the tour! EARTH ZERO, 1993 Following its release in May 1993, the next cassette album, "Earth Zero", generated high levels of interest, particularly in Europe. Here's a closer look at the album that Organ Magazine described as "by far the best tape they have put out." Recorded in two cold days in March, "Earth Zero" was the result of 8 weeks solid rehearsal and preparation. For this tape, Mike Man has disappeared doing the far eastern cosmological thing, to be replaced by Gibo on drums. Radar Dave is taking a sabbatical for a while, on other musical projects, so Pic has graduated from dancing with KREL to guitar, backing vocals and synths. Martin M is still solidly at the helm along with Dibs. At first, the intention was to put out a 12" single, but the band felt that ?5.00 for an hour of music was better than ?4.00 for just two or three tracks. The basic tracks for EZ were instrumental and recorded live, with vocals, lead guitar, samples and synths overdubbed later. Once the five main tracks had been mixed down to DAT, they were transported to the KREL Laboratories, where Martin added the epic 20 minute "Psychically Project [Parts 1-23]", which closes EZ in a suitable fashion. As "Chroninga Well" magazine put it, "we can't guarantee that you'll be able to find your way back to earth...." Other reviewers had this to say... "drifting trance-like through corridors of time, black holes and exploding super-novae...this is an album to be listened to in a horizontal position, with headphones on...the ultimate space-rock album of the past few years." April 1993 saw KREL playing to a capacity 1200 at Nottingham's Rockworld, in aid of the charity N.A.B.D. Ashton's renowned venue, "The Witchwood", played host to The Enid, to which KREL accepted the invitation to support. An illuminated 200 ft redbrick viaduct was the atmospheric backdrop for an outdoor gig at The Crown in Stockport in June, which was well attended for a "word of mouth" gig. One review of the gig , "the music they play is music you soak up and get swept away by... If you don't get to see them live, there is a tape available, but when you do se them, you too can get lost in the music." July 1993 saw KREL venture across the Pennines into Wakefield, the line up boosted by Phil Howard (of Spacehead fame), then back to Oldham's "The Shack", a respected rock venue. The introduction to KREL's set was a Pinki & Perki track! (A certain Medieval tradition in those parts!) 1994 KREL goes into a period of quiet relaxation, with Martin concentrating on solo projects. During this time he recorded some excellent music, some of which was compiled into the tape: "Scientific Fiction - Lie Back and Distract" . Interestingly, a lot of tracks on this tape are the roots of KREL tracks on the main tapes. 1995 Dibs parted company with the band, but during May, in the KREL Labs, the band recorded the excellent "About Time [to Emit]" tape. Strictly, this too is a solo tape from Martin, but he line-up credited to the cover of the tape was: Martin M - lead, rhythm guitar, vox, synths, programming, bass; Radar Dave - lead guitar, vox; Picasso - guitar, vox, spoken word; Gibo - percussion. Even though his fellow musicnauts may have had only smaller contribution, Martin was keen to give credit, where credit is due. Curt augmented the live crew on bass and things, with Paul Harris as aux operative. This tape, although superb in its own right, was a taster for greater things to follow! WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Dibs and Phil Howard merged space rock & the synthesised ambience of Cellular Structure to become Spacehead and put out a couple of cassette releases, and more recently, a CD "Of Space and Time" on Hawkwind's EBS Label. It seems that Phil has since quit to do his own solo stuff while Dibs is putting together a live band to support Hawkwind on their forthcoming Autumn 1997 tour. This band might feature Martin guesting at Manchester. Gibo and Curt are off doing the life thing, and Mike Man is playing in various bands in Wales. Picasso Jones has been working on some solo stuff, also with friends, at his psychedelectronic labs, and the first fruits of these sessions will be released shortly (final mixdown stage) as PROTO. The tape, "PROTO ROCK", will be an album length blend of Can-esque trance music and will be released on his own label. OUT OF THE ASHES OUR PHOENIX RISES The 1995 tape of "About Time [to Emit]" has been reworked and developed into its final release state and has been transformed into the new title: "Ad Astra". This will be released on Andi G's own CD label. (Andi, of CDS Dundee fame - widely renowned as Europe's finest Space-Rock specialist, jumped at the chance to do the CD, since whilst at Mike Lloyd music and CDS, he has always been asked for KREL material!) It really is a superb blend of space rock styles old and new. It also sees Martin playing some excellent acoustic guitar (on Green Sky). Since finishing "Ad Astra", Martin has been busy writing and recording new KREL material, (Martin always was the main songwriter in the band), some of which features the return of Radar Dave on lead guitar. He is also in the post-production stage of an ambient tape, and has been working on a projected Hawkwind covers project which may feature Mr. Dibs on some vocals. As well as all the studio activity, preparations are being made for KREL's return to the live stage. A specially selected crew from members past and future are being lined up. (Ed: - do we see Martin, Dave and Dibs together again?) THE FUTURE ? A remix tape and a compilation (featuring some unreleased tracks) as well as more of the above. DON'T FORGET THE FUTURE NOW. Guy Thomas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 09:12:30 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:12:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>not entirely! There's a record shop I frequent in Edinburgh on a >>regular Hawkwind search and the owner knows this but one day after a >>fruitless hunt for something he suggested I listen to Hatfield & the >>North instead. I never did understand what he thought the link between >>them was. >> > >Did you like them? Pip Pyle played with them. Very tenous connection, >though. and of course, they sit next to each other in the "Ha******" section! -- Jon Browne From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jan 22 09:29:24 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:29:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I >read somewhere that he had written a regular column for a UK guitar magazine >in the 80s.... Does anyone have those magazines? Or does anyone even know >what magazine that would be? --------------------------------------------------------------- The mag was "Guitarist", the column was "Langton's Lead Lines" And no, I've never seen one! Jon --------------------------------------------------------------- I used to buy Guitarist magazine regularly but eventually stopped after about 80 issues - I got bored with it eventually! I used to make guitars (so the mag was a good source of small ads for spares etc etc) and customise / hot wire / custom paint guitars, up untill a few years ago ( a young familly stopped all that!) One of my favourite commissions was the custom paint job I did for Dave Brock on his Westone Paduak, onto which I painted the warrior LP cover. To cut a long story short, Langton's Lead Lines was one of the reasons for subscribing to the mag, but the column was pulled after four issues. I really admire Huw's guitar playing, but his journalistic talents were not quite as hot - mind you, that's probably more the editor's fault! I do recall one artical about string breakages in conjunction with dodgy bridges and/or machine heads - can't recall the specifics - the mists of time you see! Unfortunately, I sold all eighty or so issues for a paltry twenty quid - wot a plonka! Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 22 09:53:41 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:53:41 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff for sale (again) In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > Spacehead Of Space and Time EBS ?10.00 obNitPick: Of Stars and Time From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Thu Jan 22 09:53:43 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:53:43 -0600 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: Jon, I've got one of the Widowmaker lp's--don't recall offhand which one--and I thought they were pretty lame: cheesy metal all the way (or so I recall, I've probably not listened to it in 3-5 years). Allan. ---------- ---------- From: jon Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:03 AM To: BOC-L Cc: jon Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Has anyone got either of the two Widowmaker albums that Huw did during his 10 year absence? Are they worth tracking down? I have this vague recollection of seeing them on The Old Grey Whistle Test when I was about 10 in '75 (or thereabouts) and thinking they were OK but time wounds all heels. I was reading the HW entry in Adrift In The Ether last night. I never knew that **Viv Prince** filled the drum stool on occasion in the early years. Viv is, apart from being the Pretty Things drummer, a cock-er-nee rock'n'roll semi-crazed legend personal hero of mine. Wow, man, like, Viv Prince. Cited as a role model for Kieth Moon, his drumming was "positively revolutionary". -- Jon OBCD Pretty Things - Unrepentant (with Viv on the cover, the day after the Danish Heavyweight Champion took a violent dislike to the length of his hair!) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 22 10:10:20 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:10:20 PST Subject: OFF: soaps and saps Message-ID: >>(Joke. Not funny I know, but I've just had a really really >>really shite phone conversation with our singer and I'm still shaking. >>Forgive me these indiscretions!) > >Band politics. As stressful as marriage. You have my sympathy. >Singers, eh? :) Worse than marriage if the band must go on AFTER your divorce. From the singer. Stress is too pedestrian a word. Yog Sothoth! Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jan 22 10:08:17 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:08:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff for sale (again) In-Reply-To: <199801221453.OAA12387@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >LN1GJT writes: > Spacehead Of Space and Time EBS ?10.00 >obNitPick: Of Stars and Time Mike, You're absolutely right! Guy Thomas From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Jan 22 10:09:34 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:09:34 +0100 Subject: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker Message-ID: >*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >Bender... Gimme a break. > >Ola >jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK: >No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) >the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... > >Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically >gay. It genuinely took some guts to call >yourself a bender in the early '70's. > >anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It >sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but >each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that >name! >Jon "Sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist!" - I *DIG* that! Thanks for the enlightening info! I guess it sounds differently to you (whose native tongue is English and know a bit more about Shakespeare) than it does to me. I guess the reason Ariel doesn't sound too angelic to me is that it makes me think of washing powder, mermaids and such. Given the real (original) meaning of it, it does seem a lot less uncool. I must have associated to the wrong things, simply due to my poor knowledge of Shakespeare and English in general and, apparently, the influence that those TV commercials must have had on me! Bastards! Cheers, Ola From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 22 10:17:26 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:17:26 -0600 Subject: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! Message-ID: >Right on all counts, AB! No EB, no BOC. If EB can't sing, then break up the band and let BD start producing records and doing studio work...I've been listening to TaM today, which is, more than any BOC album, Eric's record [he wrote a lot of stuff and does most of the lead vocals on this one]. And this record went a long way towards establishing the BOC mystique. Total, 1000% agreement Theo. I don't know if the original suggestion was made in jest or the author simply didn't know the way most BOC fans feel about Eyes. >Cheer up, dudes. The last show I saw [summer '97] EB sounded the best I'd heard him all year. I've a feeling he's snapping out of it. Didn't Bolle say that there's nothing physically wrong with EB? Sounds like maybe he's coming around finally? Anyone seen the group lately? Maybe Manuel can give us an analysis of EB's vocal state... Great! Lets hope it continues. It would be great though for you (Manuel) to see four straight performances, great way to gauge Eric's health. Please let us all know dude. March 24 on the new Album? Calendar circled. Best Buy carries a lot of CMC so hopefully they will have it out front where it can be grabbed quickly. One final comment on the Eric. Miles KB once told me that Eric is the most positive person he ever met in his life. Eric never wallowed in negativity and always felt there was a postive to any situation. Whatever has ailed him over the last few months I think he will eventually conquer. In this regard he is like the Tick, tenacious in his goodness. L8er Ghost in the Ruins (fomerly lil' ab) *If Prince can change his name, I can too. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 22 10:45:57 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:45:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! Message-ID: >One final comment on the Eric. Miles KB once told me that Eric is the most positive person he ever met in his life. Eric never wallowed in negativity and always felt there was a postive to any situation. Maybe so. Unfortunately, Eric has also chosen at times to dismiss certain things, most notably this list, because of PERCEIVED negativity, or RUMORED negativity. I'm speaking specifically about BOC-L and previous sentiments about us expressed on AOL. Either because of Eric's perception of this list due to it's composition, or because of what some of Eric's so-called "friends" chose to tell him about us, the word got out that BOC-L is "negative". I will always believe had Eric chosen to drop by and participate, he may have gotten a much different impression. That doesn't make him a bad guy, IMHO, but I think it's a bit silly to avoid something because there might be some "bad" aspect associated with it -- hey, life's messy sometimes, but sometimes you can finds some worthwhile things in the mess. John ObCD: BOC - Agents of Fortune (Mobile Fidelity Release) From davmor at DELTANET.COM Thu Jan 22 11:25:18 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:25:18 -0800 Subject: HW: Ariel Bender Message-ID: Actually the name *Ariel Bender* came about in a much less interesting or amusing manner. Luther Grosvernor had joined Mott the Hoople as the replacment for Mick Ralphs, and the band was in Germany beginning a European tour before returning to the studio to record *The Hoople*. Ian Hunter had suggested to LG that he needed a *cooler* name (since he was now playing guitar for a band that was periferaly glam, etc.) so they were trying to come up with one. They'd not found one that anyone in the band liked so Hunter and Grosvenor went for a walk; they passed an auto wrecking yard where two guys were bending the ariels (radio antennas) of the cars, snapping them off. Hunter looked at Grosvenor -- said *Ariel Bender* -- and the rest is history. The source of this an interview with Hunter (originally conducted in MM) that is reprinted in one of the IH/MTH bio-books in my brother's collection. Remember: truth is stranger than fiction! Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original message----- From: Ola Nyberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:16 AM Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker >>*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >>what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >>Bender... Gimme a break. >> >>Ola > >>jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK: > >>No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) >>the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... >> >>Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically >>gay. It genuinely took some guts to call >>yourself a bender in the early '70's. >> >>anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It >>sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but >>each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that >>name! >>Jon > >"Sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist!" - I *DIG* that! > >Thanks for the enlightening info! I guess it sounds differently to you >(whose native tongue is English and know a bit more about Shakespeare) >than it does to me. I guess the reason Ariel doesn't sound too angelic to >me is that it makes me think of washing powder, mermaids and such. Given >the real (original) meaning of it, it does seem a lot less uncool. I must >have associated to the wrong things, simply due to my poor knowledge of >Shakespeare and English in general and, apparently, the influence that >those TV commercials must have had on me! Bastards! > >Cheers, > >Ola > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 11:30:19 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:30:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Ariel Bender In-Reply-To: <003f01bd2752$55e9f740$0adddedf@spock.dmsgalh.com> Message-ID: In article <003f01bd2752$55e9f740$0adddedf at spock.dmsgalh.com>, Steven Davies-Morris writes >Remember: truth is stranger than fiction! > >Regards >Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com Excellant post. Truth, it seems, is in fact cooler than fiction! -- Jon Browne From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 22 11:47:48 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:47:48 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind tabs Message-ID: At 10:54 AM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >I play guitar to a very poor standard and I'm trying to >find some Hawkwind tablature, but there doesn'y seem to be >any anywhere. Can anyone suggest an internet address or >maybe e-mail me some? Cheers. >---------------------- >Nick Widdows >NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk I actually posted a couple of HW tabs on here once, a long time ago now. I can't say I'm as ambitious as I once was. The problem is getting all the lines arranged in columns properly--it's a big pain. It's infinitely easier to write it on a sheet of paper than to figure out a way to somehow enter it into a computer. I think I posted "Psi Power" and "You Shouldn't Do That". John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Jan 22 11:13:47 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:13:47 GMT Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, jean l delacour wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jean Lansford wrote: OK now, attributions are getting all mixed up. I'm not the one who said dump Eric (though some who've sent me private mail seem to think so), I called the suggestion "heretical". >> On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, bart wrote: >> >> >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody >> >new. >> > If you can't cut Eric some slack for singing 30+ years, then why don't >YOU JETTISON?!?!?!?!?!............Manuel Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jan 22 11:56:32 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:56:32 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: No, but I know a _lot_ of the rhythm and some lead parts. Email me off-line if you want more info. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Nick Widdows To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 22 January 1998 10:50 >I play guitar to a very poor standard and I'm trying to >find some Hawkwind tablature, but there doesn'y seem to be >any anywhere. Can anyone suggest an internet address or >maybe e-mail me some? Cheers. >---------------------- >Nick Widdows >NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 11:35:25 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:35:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker/etc. In-Reply-To: <3824291422011998/A06907/LNMV02/11C1B39D1800*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <3824291422011998/A06907/LNMV02/11C1B39D1800*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >Jon >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >I used to buy Guitarist magazine regularly but eventually stopped after about >80 issues - I got bored with it eventually! I used to make guitars (so the mag >was a good source of small ads for spares etc etc) and customise / >hot wire / custom paint guitars, up untill a few years ago ( a young familly >stopped all that!) One of my favourite commissions was the custom paint job I >did for Dave Brock on his Westone Paduak, onto which I painted the warrior LP >cover. I've seen your work. *We're not worthy! We're not worthy!* -- Jon From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 22 11:35:57 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:35:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! Message-ID: Well, has anyone ever sent ol' Oysterboy an invite to come join us, anonymously, perhaps, so that he can make up his mind for himself? He may have to wade through a boatload of HW posts, but maybe that'll get him get the band off their collective duffs and start releasing new or vaulted material! Maybe a few journals or two might work, also. NP: J-M Jarre / Complete Oxygene (thanks, Gary!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: John A Swartz To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:57 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! >>One final comment on the Eric. Miles KB once told me that Eric is the >most positive person he ever met in his life. Eric never wallowed in >negativity and always felt there was a postive to any situation. > >Maybe so. Unfortunately, Eric has also chosen at times to dismiss >certain things, most notably this list, because of PERCEIVED >negativity, or RUMORED negativity. I'm speaking specifically about >BOC-L and previous sentiments about us expressed on AOL. Either because >of Eric's perception of this list due to it's composition, or because >of what some of Eric's so-called "friends" chose to tell him about us, >the word got out that BOC-L is "negative". I will always believe had Eric >chosen to drop by and participate, he may have gotten a much different >impression. > >That doesn't make him a bad guy, IMHO, but I think it's a bit silly >to avoid something because there might be some "bad" aspect associated >with it -- hey, life's messy sometimes, but sometimes you can finds >some worthwhile things in the mess. > >John > >ObCD: BOC - Agents of Fortune (Mobile Fidelity Release) > From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jan 22 12:19:20 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:19:20 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:13:47 GMT." <34c76e37.13636945@pop.vnet.net> Message-ID: > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jean Lansford wrote: > > OK now, attributions are getting all mixed up. I'm not the one who > said dump Eric (though some who've sent me private mail seem to think > so), I called the suggestion "heretical". Don't attribute it to Jean. It was me, all me.. :-) > >> On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, bart wrote: > >> > >> >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody > >> >new. > >> > > If you can't cut Eric some slack for singing 30+ years, then why don't > >YOU JETTISON?!?!?!?!?!............Manuel Jeez, lighten up pal. So I missed off a smiley. I'm not saying get rid of him completely, just like, make him manager or roadie, until his voice comes back. I listened to Cult Classic recently, and barely recognized his voice in places. ( :-) ) Tim ObCD: Labradford _Mi Media Naranja_ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 22 12:31:44 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:31:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: <3fcSP2AOP1x0EwXB@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 14:12 22.01.98 +0000, you wrote: >>>not entirely! There's a record shop I frequent in Edinburgh on a >>>regular Hawkwind search and the owner knows this but one day after a >>>fruitless hunt for something he suggested I listen to Hatfield & the >>>North instead. I never did understand what he thought the link between >>>them was. >>> >> >>Did you like them? Pip Pyle played with them. Very tenous connection, >>though. > >and of course, they sit next to each other in the "Ha******" section! >-- >Jon Browne Unless the shop also carries Hatmangler, Hatrahari's Kitchen, Hauling Grannies, The Hauptmann Syndrome, Havana Kings, Susie B. Hawkins and Screamin J. Hawkins? Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 22 14:28:04 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:28:04 GMT Subject: OFF: Tempest In-Reply-To: Ola Nyberg's message of Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:38:33 +0100 Message-ID: Ola Nyberg writes: > > > >Help! Ariel is a reference to Shakespeare's The Tempest... > > The "or what?" was a question, since I didn't know what it was a > reference to. I guess it's pretty clear that I didn't take English > literature and, yes, I do feel like an idiot, but I still think *Ariel Sometimes it's surprising how much Shakespeare people acquire without realising - have you not come across "We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep"? If you have - that's from The Tempest. If you haven't - well it's a sad educational lack in Sweden to be sure..... 8-))) Ariel was the energetic trouble maker - a rather naive Loki-type of character, but in this instance a sprite bound to obey Prospero and make mischief at his command. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Jan 22 14:30:55 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:30:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Ghost in the Ruins (fomerly lil' ab) > >*If Prince can change his name, I can too. does this mean you're now "The Poster Formerly Known As Lil' AB"? (TPFKALAB) From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Jan 22 14:31:03 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: album news In-Reply-To: <199801221417.JAA13064@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >I hope that this means that the release of the album is now completely >out of BOC's hands - that is, recording and mixing are completed, and >we are now only relying on CMC to deliver the goods. That would be very >good news indeed. Now, if CMC would just update their website to indicate >BOC's release is coming... > well, apparently Buck told someone at the gig in Port Jeff that the album was DONE........which seems to imply all overdubs/mixing (whatever) complete and tapes handed to the label...... From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Jan 22 14:48:00 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:48:00 -0600 Subject: HW: Album release dates Message-ID: I have conflicting information about the original release dates of several Hawkwind albums. Does anyone have the correct information for these albums? Thanks in advance, Frank Album Release Month and Year ============== ========================== Doremi Fasol Latido 11 or 12, 1972 Warrior on the Edge... 5 or 6, 1975 Astounding Sounds... 8 or 9, 1976 Quark, Strangeness... 6 or 7, 1988 Live '79 7 or 8, 1980 Live at Stonehenge & W... 12/1981 or ?/1982 Church of Hawkwind 5 or, 6 1982 Choose Your Masques 10 or 11, 1982 Stonehenge (This is ...) 6 or 11, 1984 Angels of Death 5 or 11, 1986 Xenon Codex 4 or 5, 1988 Castle Masters 4/1990 or ?/1991 Palace Springs 3 or 6, 1991 Friday Rock Show... 2/92 or ?/1991 Master of the Universe 11/92 or ?/1993 Silver Machine 12/94 or ?/1995 -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Q: What happened then? A: He told me, he says, "I have to kill you because you can identify me." Q: Did he kill you? -- Disorder in the Court: a Collection of 'Transquips' by Richard Lederer From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 22 13:48:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:48:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Tempest In-Reply-To: <199801221928.TAA11176@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > > > Sometimes it's surprising how much Shakespeare people acquire > without realising - have you not come across "We are such stuff as > dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep"? If > you have - that's from The Tempest. If you haven't - well it's a sad > educational lack in Sweden to be sure..... 8-))) > Like the fellow who goes to see Hamlet, knowing nothing of Shakes., and asks his friend how come WS used so many cliches in the play! > From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Thu Jan 22 03:26:23 1998 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph Lofft) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:26:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: No Eric? NO WAY! Message-ID: I said this a few years ago, but Eric puts the "Blue" in "Blue Oyster Cult". Buck has a great voice, but it is pretty generic, for lack of a better term. Plus Eric looks "Way cool" with those shades on.... Joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 22 15:44:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:44:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Album release dates Message-ID: On Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:48 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote: > I have conflicting information about the original release dates of > several Hawkwind albums. Does anyone have the correct information for > these albums? Answers according to _Rock Family Trees_: > Album Release Month and Year > ============== ========================== > > Doremi Fasol Latido 11 or 12, 1972 Nov 72 > > Warrior on the Edge... 5 or 6, 1975 May 75 > > Astounding Sounds... 8 or 9, 1976 Aug 76 > > Quark, Strangeness... 6 or 7, 1988 June 77 Maybe the different dates are UK and US release dates? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 22 15:46:03 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:46:03 -0600 Subject: BOC: Eric & TPFKALAB Message-ID: Guy's I can see your point, Eric being positive, but lets keep this in perspective. We all wish him the best and we wish he would come over and visit for a while so he could see first hand what we are really like, but "walk a mile in his mocassins" for a moment. If people you knew and trusted told you repeatedly that a bunch of lunatics spent the majority of their day bashing you, would you be eager to visit them? I would hope that if he had these concerns he would be willing to judge for himself but that all supposses he has the time as well as the desire to do so. We here at BOC-L know where we stand and thats the important thing. Besides how do we know Eric, Buck, Alan, Danny or even Steve Schenk aren't lurkers? Hell I could be one of those folks as far as most of you know. I say most because I have had the pleasure of meeting at least three people on this list in person. Again I understand the sentiment but lets "Let Go" of that one. BTW John is AOF Gold Pricey ($20 or more)? Is it intended to be available in retail outlets? Just curious. >Ghost in the Ruins (fomerly lil' ab) > >*If Prince can change his name, I can too. >does this mean you're now "The Poster Formerly Known As Lil' AB"? >(TPFKALAB) Yes and no. Yes, thats the status and no, I would hate to have to type that each time. 8>) Ghost in the Ruins OBStrangeNomination for tBS Cover - "Dr. Stein", Helloween From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 22 15:50:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:58 -0600 Subject: tBS Contest Message-ID: Strange idea that could be fun. tBS did a cover of Needle Gun based on Rudy's recommendation. What if we provided a list of covers for the band to consider? At a minimum we'd get some great or extremely humorous selections. Al and Deb could be the final judges of musical taste and state of mind (of the contestant that is). Anybody interested? Ghost in the Ruins (TPFKALAB) <------Hey Ted a little cut and paste eases this transition. Too bad I can't sing a lick I could have been "The POSER fomerly ...... From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Thu Jan 22 16:24:31 1998 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:24:31 EST Subject: tBS Contest Message-ID: i always thought Al would sound pretty cool doing something from Jimi Hendrix. RR From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Thu Jan 22 17:18:34 1998 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (PsychoGuy) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:18:34 EST Subject: tBS Contest Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-22 15:59:44 EST, you write: > What if we provided a list of covers for the > band to consider? I'd personally love to hear them do some more Robert Johnson stuff. Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 22 18:20:06 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:20:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Album release dates Message-ID: On Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:48 PM, Frank Weil [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote: > Stonehenge (This is ...) 6 or 11, 1984 And this was November '84, I remember because it came out while I was in Oz and I bought it as soon as I got back home. -Andy ObCD: _Space Explosion_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jan 22 18:46:24 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:46:24 -0700 Subject: BOC: New Setlist In-Reply-To: <34c76e37.13636945@pop.vnet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Jean Lansford wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, jean l delacour wrote: > > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jean Lansford wrote: > > OK now, attributions are getting all mixed up. I'm not the one who > said dump Eric (though some who've sent me private mail seem to think > so), I called the suggestion "heretical". > > >> On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, bart wrote: > >> > >> >If Eric can't hack it these days, why not jettison the guy and get somebody > >> >new. > >> > > If you can't cut Eric some slack for singing 30+ years, then why don't > >YOU JETTISON?!?!?!?!?!............Manuel > > > Jean Lansford > lansford at vnet.net > http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ > Sorry about the mixup. However, if there is no EB, there is no BOC. Will report from the shows when I return.....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Jan 22 19:33:41 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:41 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void updates Message-ID: I updated my Golden Void WWW site. The biggest part of the changes was to make the pages HTML compliant. I had used various scripts to generate many of the pages, but I never bothered to closely examine the resultant pages. I just assumed that if they loaded in Netscape OK, then there were no problems. Wrong. I ran all the pages through weblint and fixed all the errors. Hopefully, it will make the pages easier to load and more consistent. I also added some new information. See the "What's New" link on the main page for a list of the updates. The Golden Void page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Please let me know if I messed up anywhere. Hearty praise is, of course, always gladly accepted also! :-) Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Perl - the only language that looks the same before and after encryption. From davmor at DELTANET.COM Thu Jan 22 19:57:44 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:57:44 -0800 Subject: HW: Golden Void updates Message-ID: I haven't had a chance to browse this site yet, but I've bookmarked it! Thanks Frank Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Frank Weil To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:40 PM Subject: HW: Golden Void updates I updated my Golden Void WWW site. The biggest part of the changes was to make the pages HTML compliant. I had used various scripts to generate many of the pages, but I never bothered to closely examine the resultant pages. I just assumed that if they loaded in Netscape OK, then there were no problems. Wrong. I ran all the pages through weblint and fixed all the errors. Hopefully, it will make the pages easier to load and more consistent. I also added some new information. See the "What's New" link on the main page for a list of the updates. The Golden Void page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Please let me know if I messed up anywhere. Hearty praise is, of course, always gladly accepted also! :-) Thanks, Frank -- ======================================================================== ====== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Perl - the only language that looks the same before and after encryption. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Steven Davies-Morris.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Thu Jan 22 23:36:04 1998 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:36:04 +0300 Subject: Hawkwind tabs Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > I actually posted a couple of HW tabs on here once, a long time ago now. I > can't say I'm as ambitious as I once was. The problem is getting all the > lines arranged in columns properly--it's a big pain. It's infinitely easier > to write it on a sheet of paper than to figure out a way to somehow enter it > into a computer. I think I posted "Psi Power" and "You Shouldn't Do That". Can you post them again, please. And do you have any bass Hawkwind tabs? (Actually I play bass). Dmitri From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Jan 23 05:05:12 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:05:12 -0700 Subject: HW: Huw/Widomaker,/etc. Message-ID: >Changing the subject completely, the tracks that were credited as being from an >undisclosed 1989 gig on the 'Undisclosed Files' LP and CD were actually fromthe >Hammersmith Odeon gig, 8th Dec 1988. (Huw's penultimate performance with HW >before quitting.) The first two tracks of the concert are only on the LPversion >(Masters of the Universe & Coded Languages) and then the CD takes thetracks >from there up to the end of Angels of Death. (The LP version fades outin the >middle of Angels) >Guy Thomas IMO, Huw's last performance, the Robert Calvert tribute on March 5, 89, was very disappointing. I can only speculate on the reasons, but it seemed that it was very disjointed, and for the most part, seemingly random guitar noodlings. Maybe he knew it was his last time with the Hawks, and his heart wasn't into it? Kevin Sommers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jan 23 05:27:01 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:27:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Astounding tour 1976 Message-ID: Hi folks Is anyone out there who knows if HAWKWIND did 2 Hammersmith gigs during the Autumn tour (Astounding tour) in 1976 ?? Was there a gig maybe on 06. October 1976 ?? I only know the Hammersmith gig from 05. October 1976 Many thanks for your help Bernhard From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jan 23 05:47:01 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:47:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: soaps and saps Message-ID: > Anyway, YOU know you're not useless, why do you need my > affirmation? (Joke. Not funny I know, but I've just had a really > really > really shite phone conversation with our singer and I'm still shaking. > > Forgive me these indiscretions!) > Ah. One of *those* conversations. The best way to deal with that is to go round his house and kick his head in. Cheers, Rich. Obsong: Lawnmower Deth - Up the Junction From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Jan 23 05:50:33 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:50:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widomaker,/etc. In-Reply-To: <000901bd27e6$65030520$4c29d8cc@Sommers.dnanet.com> Message-ID: >Changing the subject completely, the tracks that were credited as being from an >undisclosed 1989 gig on the 'Undisclosed Files' LP and CD were actually fromthe >Hammersmith Odeon gig, 8th Dec 1988. (Huw's penultimate performance with HW >before quitting.) The first two tracks of the concert are only on the LPversion >(Masters of the Universe & Coded Languages) and then the CD takes thetracks >from there up to the end of Angels of Death. (The LP version fades outin the >middle of Angels) >Guy Thomas >IMO, Huw's last performance, the Robert Calvert tribute on March 5, 89, was >very disappointing. I can only speculate on the reasons, but it seemed that >it was very disjointed, and for the most part, seemingly random guitar >noodlings. Maybe he knew it was his last time with the Hawks, and his heart >wasn't into it? > >Kevin Sommers Kevin, your absolutely right. I forgotten about the Calvert tribe. Your probably right in guessing the reasons why Huw was not on form. Don't forget though, Nik was rather stealing the limelight! I only ever saw bob perform once, that was with the band at Ramsgate, in May 1984. The band were really relaxed and Calvert was superb with his brass megaphone - I've even got a great tape of that gig too! It would have made a great video - alas, missed oportunities! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 23 06:12:24 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:12:24 GMT Subject: HW: Album release dates In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:48:00 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > I have conflicting information about the original release dates of > several Hawkwind albums. Does anyone have the correct information for > these albums? > > Thanks in advance, > Frank > Quark, Strangeness... 6 or 7, 1988 I bought mine in 9/77 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 23 08:35:32 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:35:32 -0500 Subject: tBS Contest Message-ID: >What if we provided a list of covers for the band to consider? At a minimum we'd get some great or extremely humorous selections. Al and Deb could be the final judges of musical taste and state of mind (of the contestant that is). If the winner gets the band to play in the city closest to them, I'm in! ;-) (yeah I know - quit yer bitchin' John - most folks would kill to be only a few hours drive from the next tBS show...) Seriously though, that's an interesting idea. While I suspect tBS aren't at a loss for material, they have done a cover or two on each of their albums. BTW, probably should lay a groundrule that Y&T covers won't be considered. ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 23 08:42:21 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:42:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Eric's still Ticking too! Message-ID: >Well, has anyone ever sent ol' Oysterboy an invite to come join us, Yep. I believe both he and Buck received several invitations. >If people you knew and trusted told you repeatedly that a bunch of lunatics spent the majority of their day bashing you, would you be eager to visit them? And what a bunch of bullshit that is! No, Eric knows better than that, I would think (and I've told him myself). I can accept it if he neither has the time nor desire to check it out for himself, but if people are making statements to him about a "bunch of lunatics" bashing him, then those people are fools. But I digress...gotta start drinkin' decaf! John From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Jan 23 03:27:22 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:27:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Ariel Bender Message-ID: Thanks Steven, This story sounds pretty unbelievable... It comforts me that Hunter didn't associate to Shakespeare either (I'm not the only one). All of a sudden, *Ariel* sounds a lot less cool, again... *Antenna Snapper* would have been pretty cool! Ola ---------- From: davmor at DELTANET.COM Sent: den 22 januari 1998 17:28 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender <><> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Actually the name *Ariel Bender* came about in a much less interesting or amusing manner. Luther Grosvernor had joined Mott the Hoople as the replacment for Mick Ralphs, and the band was in Germany beginning a European tour before returning to the studio to record *The Hoople*. Ian Hunter had suggested to LG that he needed a *cooler* name (since he was now playing guitar for a band that was periferaly glam, etc.) so they were trying to come up with one. They'd not found one that anyone in the band liked so Hunter and Grosvenor went for a walk; they passed an auto wrecking yard where two guys were bending the ariels (radio antennas) of the cars, snapping them off. Hunter looked at Grosvenor -- said *Ariel Bender* -- and the rest is history. The source of this an interview with Hunter (originally conducted in MM) that is reprinted in one of the IH/MTH bio-books in my brother's collection. Remember: truth is stranger than fiction! Regards Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original message----- From: Ola Nyberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:16 AM Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker >>*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >>what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >>Bender... Gimme a break. >> >>Ola > >>jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK: > >>No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) >>the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... >> >>Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically >>gay. It genuinely took some guts to call >>yourself a bender in the early '70's. >> >>anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It >>sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but >>each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that >>name! >>Jon > >"Sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist!" - I *DIG* that! > >Thanks for the enlightening info! I guess it sounds differently to you >(whose native tongue is English and know a bit more about Shakespeare) >than it does to me. I guess the reason Ariel doesn't sound too angelic to >me is that it makes me think of washing powder, mermaids and such. Given >the real (original) meaning of it, it does seem a lot less uncool. I must >have associated to the wrong things, simply due to my poor knowledge of >Shakespeare and English in general and, apparently, the influence that >those TV commercials must have had on me! Bastards! > >Cheers, > >Ola > From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jan 23 10:34:37 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:34:37 GMT Subject: BRAIN, covers Message-ID: How 'bout these suggestions ? Led Zep - Gallows' Pole Wisbone Ash - Lady Whiskey MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') Jefferson Airplane - Somebody to Love Thin Lizzy - Warrior *If* I win (unlikely), how about the tBS come to blighty :) Neil. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 23 05:45:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:45:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980122183144.02ff02dc@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19980122183144.02ff02dc at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Unless the shop also carries Hatmangler, Hatrahari's Kitchen, Hauling >Grannies, The Hauptmann Syndrome, Havana Kings, Susie B. Hawkins and >Screamin J. Hawkins? > >Christian Well, they probably do but this is a used vinyl store and preople don't put the things back where they found them *plus* there's a lot more HW albums so statistically all of the above will sit next to HW even in the most organised store. Except Hatmangler, who just get thrown away. and isn't that Sophie B. Hawkins? -- Jon Browne From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 23 11:22:56 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:22:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Album release dates In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: HW: Album release dates" (Jan 22, 8:44pm) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > [SMTP:frankw at COMM.MOT.COM] wrote: > > I have conflicting information about the original release dates of > > several Hawkwind albums. Does anyone have the correct information for > > these albums? > > Answers according to _Rock Family Trees_: > ... > Maybe the different dates are UK and US release dates? Could be. The way errors propagate, it sometimes seems impossible to know if the information I have is reliable or not, no matter what the source. It can be discouraging at times. I'm trying to make the Golden Void site as accurate as possible, but I'm sure that the inevitable mistake has crept in there somewhere. Thanks for the info! I'll make the changes in the next round of updates. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Whenever I hear the sparrow chirping, watch the woodpecker chirp, catch a chirping trout, or listen to the sad howl of the chirp rat, I think: Oh boy! I'm going insane again. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 23 11:31:40 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:31:40 -0600 Subject: HW: Album release dates In-Reply-To: M Holmes "Re: HW: Album release dates" (Jan 23, 11:12am) Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Frank Weil writes: > > > I have conflicting information about the original release dates of > > several Hawkwind albums. Does anyone have the correct information for > > these albums? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Frank > > > Quark, Strangeness... 6 or 7, 1988 > > I bought mine in 9/77 OK, so I was off by 11 years. That's not so bad in geologic terms! :-) Actually, I meant to type "1977". It appears that the correct answer is June, 1977. Thanks for the info. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 DCLXVI - Roman Numeral of the Beast From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 23 12:37:08 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:37:08 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, covers Message-ID: O.K., I'll bite - here's a few potential tBS covers: Collective Soul - Where the River Flows Janis Joplin - Take Another Piece of my Heart The Beatles - Helter Skelter, Revolution, I Want You (She's So Heavy) Black Sabbath - Children of the Grave, War Pigs Motley Crue - Live Wire BOC - Tattoo Vampire, "Frankenstein", Vera Gemini The Presidents of the U.S.A - Lump, Kitty Grateful Dead - Truckin' Metallica - Bleeding Me From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 23 12:43:44 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:43:44 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, covers In-Reply-To: <199801231534.PAA05071@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: In article <199801231534.PAA05071 at achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>, Neil Shilladay writes >MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') Have you heard Spacemen 3's version of this? -- Jon From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jan 23 13:20:47 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:20:47 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, covers Message-ID: >O.K., I'll bite - here's a few potential tBS covers: > >Collective Soul - Where the River Flows >Janis Joplin - Take Another Piece of my Heart ^^^^^^^^-This would be excellent! >The Beatles - Helter Skelter, Revolution, I Want You (She's So Heavy) >Black Sabbath - Children of the Grave, War Pigs >Motley Crue - Live Wire >BOC - Tattoo Vampire, "Frankenstein", Vera Gemini >The Presidents of the U.S.A - Lump, Kitty >Grateful Dead - Truckin' >Metallica - Bleeding Me My 2 cents: Something Good, Bobby Floats a Fencepost - Peter Bohovesky I Just Wanna Make Love to You - Foghat -they played this live the 1st time I saw tBS and it *ROCKED*! Fire - Crazy World of Arthur Brown 21st Century Schizoid Man - King Crimson Speed King - Deep Purple Time of the Season - Zombies Brian --- You can strap a Stratocaster onto a chimpanzee and turn the volume up to twelve and for a few seconds it's going to sound brilliant, you know. -Nick Saloman of "The Bevis Frond" --- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2662 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jan 23 16:28:19 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:28:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:45 23.01.98 +0000, you wrote: >In article <3.0.2.32.19980122183144.02ff02dc at online.no>, >cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >>Unless the shop also carries Hatmangler, Hatrahari's Kitchen, Hauling >>Grannies, The Hauptmann Syndrome, Havana Kings, Susie B. Hawkins and >>Screamin J. Hawkins? >> >>Christian > >Well, they probably do but this is a used vinyl store and preople don't >put the things back where they found them *plus* there's a lot more HW >albums so statistically all of the above will sit next to HW even in the >most organised store. true. I do this around the HW section too, on purpose for ob(li)vious reasons. >Except Hatmangler, who just get thrown away. Well, their first album was pretty good, despite stealing Mudhoney's "Here Comes Sickness" guitar riff for "Lemon Curry?" (#62 in the NME singles reader's poll 1990!). >and isn't that Sophie B. Hawkins? >-- No, that's her distant sister. I met Susie at the Reeperbahn in Hamburg (I outbid Scott Heller by a phennig) but Susie rode off in the band's limousine (cause Nik had a whole deutschmark hidden in his sax), never to be seen again so I could get her autograph. Susie B. put out an album on the same label the singer in Nena's neighbor ran with the one legged drummer in Xhol who rode a bicycle to their basement studio once. Pretty good kraut-disco-opera type stuff actually. Christian >Jon Browne > > From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jan 23 17:01:58 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Sedler) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:01:58 PST Subject: tBS: BITCH! Message-ID: Once upon a time, Adrian Brevard said..... >Strange idea that could be fun. tBS did a cover of Needle Gun based >on Rudy's recommendation. What if we provided a list of covers for >the band to consider? Well, both myself and a buddy of mine who are big time into the surgeons have to agree on a song that would be great for the Surgeons to do a cover of.... Somewhere in the dark and stinky mid-80s, there was a cheesy band by the name of WIDOW. They were nothing special, or even interesting for that matter, and their one album I heard pretty much gave me the kind of pleasure one gets from chewing tinfoil. They were kind of a poor man's Heart, with a pop-metal sound that went nowhere on a rocket. But there was one song on the album, as cheesy as it was that we kinda liked, it was a track called "BITCH". Even though it was a woman doing the lead vocals, the chorus of the song went "Sometimes I crawl outta bed and I feel like a son of a *BITCH*", with a heavy snarl of a vocal on that one word title of the song. The song was kinda funny, kinda cool, and would absolutely farkin' SMOKE if the surgeons covered it! The lead was catchy on the original, and with Billy or Pete powering it, it would just shred, and Deb's voice could really make the snarly attitude of the vocals come alive! Is there anyone out there that remembers this tune? It got a bit of play on MTV back when they played music videos. If you know it, try to imagine tBS cranking on it, adn I'm sure you will agree with me. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From davmor at DELTANET.COM Fri Jan 23 17:25:29 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:25:29 -0800 Subject: HW: Ariel Bender Message-ID: Hey Ola! Do you mean that you believe it because it sounds unbelievable, or you just think it's not true? Personally, having read the original MM interview back in early 1974, and later re-reading it in my brother's book IH biography, I don't think that you could invent a story like this, because... ...Truth usually is far stranger than fiction. Regards SDM -----Original Message----- From: Ola Nyberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender >Thanks Steven, > >This story sounds pretty unbelievable... It comforts me that Hunter >didn't associate to Shakespeare either (I'm not the only one). All of a >sudden, *Ariel* sounds a lot less cool, again... >*Antenna Snapper* would have been pretty cool! > >Ola > > ---------- >From: davmor at DELTANET.COM >Sent: den 22 januari 1998 17:28 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender > ><><> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- >Actually the name *Ariel Bender* came about in a much less interesting >or amusing manner. Luther Grosvernor had joined Mott the Hoople as >the replacment for Mick Ralphs, and the band was in Germany beginning >a European tour before returning to the studio to record *The Hoople*. >Ian Hunter had suggested to LG that he needed a *cooler* name (since >he was now playing guitar for a band that was periferaly glam, etc.) >so they were trying to come up with one. They'd not found one that >anyone in the band liked so Hunter and Grosvenor went for a walk; >they passed an auto wrecking yard where two guys were bending the >ariels (radio antennas) of the cars, snapping them off. Hunter looked >at Grosvenor -- said *Ariel Bender* -- and the rest is history. The >source of this an interview with Hunter (originally conducted in MM) >that is reprinted in one of the IH/MTH bio-books in my brother's >collection. Remember: truth is stranger than fiction! > >Regards >Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com > > -----Original message----- >From: Ola Nyberg >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:16 AM >Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker > > >>>*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >>>what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >>>Bender... Gimme a break. >>> >>>Ola >> >>>jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK: >> >>>No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) >>>the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... >>> >>>Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically >>>gay. It genuinely took some guts to call >>>yourself a bender in the early '70's. >>> >>>anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It >>>sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but >>>each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that >>>name! >>>Jon >> >>"Sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist!" - I *DIG* that! >> >>Thanks for the enlightening info! I guess it sounds differently to you >>(whose native tongue is English and know a bit more about Shakespeare) >>than it does to me. I guess the reason Ariel doesn't sound too angelic >to >>me is that it makes me think of washing powder, mermaids and such. Given >>the real (original) meaning of it, it does seem a lot less uncool. I >must >>have associated to the wrong things, simply due to my poor knowledge of >>Shakespeare and English in general and, apparently, the influence that >>those TV commercials must have had on me! Bastards! >> >>Cheers, >> >>Ola >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 24 04:13:11 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:13:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Slapp Happy In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980123222819.030f56b4@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19980123222819.030f56b4 at online.no>, cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >Well, their first album was pretty good, despite stealing Mudhoney's "Here >Comes Sickness" guitar riff for "Lemon Curry?" (#62 in the NME singles >reader's poll 1990!). > Lemon Curry? -- Jon From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jan 24 09:23:16 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Robert Sedler) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:23:16 PST Subject: tBS: covers Message-ID: Hi kids, me again..... John S. said.... >Black Sabbath - Children of the Grave, War Pigs Wow, that one took me by surprise, I love it. War Pigs more than Children. I think War Pigs would sound great by tBS.... First off, you do a twist on the music a bit to give it the feel of "Laura's Plastic Swords" (My fave tBS song both studio AND live). Then you have Albert singing the slower verses like.... "Generals gathered in their masses....." and have Deb do the vocals on the parts where the music kicks in, the parts like.... "Polititians hide themselves away..." All in all I think it's one of the best suggestions yet. Other tunes that would sound great for them to do would be covers of: Nazareth- Silver Dollar Forger Rush- The Temples of Syrinx Ok, maybe I'm stretching it a bit, but boy this is fun. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sat Jan 24 16:11:15 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:11:15 -0800 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future 5CD set Message-ID: While wandering thru the latest Goldmine I spotted something else to give fits to the Kompletists among us. Here's the write-up: HAWKWIND - Welcome to the Future 5CD set features the "Masters of the Universe", "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin", and "Space Ritual 2" albums, as well as two CDs of assorted live recordings. On Dressed To Kill.................$29.99 I wander what the two extra CDs contain...? The company listing it is: JART MUSIC 1(800) 545-6304 email: Jartmusic at worldnet.att.net http://www.jartmusic.com A last interesting tidbit: I browsed their web site, and they also list a Buck Dharma video relating to the boy with the brain tumor, and also the UK version of 'Imaginos' at a steep $20.99. DISCLAIMER: I have never dealt with this company before. As always, buyer beware. -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com (old address) From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sat Jan 24 12:37:03 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:37:03 -0800 Subject: Welcome To The Future 5CD Set Message-ID: >JART MUSIC > 1(800) 545-6304 > email: Jartmusic at worldnet.att.net >http://www.jartmusic.com >DISCLAIMER: >I have never dealt with this company before. As always, buyer beware. -- >Captain Cloud I have, they send their stuff. John From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Jan 24 13:56:14 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:56:14 -0500 Subject: tBS: covers Message-ID: Robert Sedler wrote: > Other tunes that would sound great for them to do would be covers of: > > Nazareth- Silver Dollar Forger > Rush- The Temples of Syrinx ok. now you've done it. now, over to you Theo. =) rj From johnv at NCWEB.COM Sat Jan 24 15:46:30 1998 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:46:30 -0500 Subject: HELP! Message-ID: can anyone from this list help me get info on magic mushroom band tapes for trade also anyone interested in trading spacerock thanks! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jan 24 18:11:30 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:11:30 -0500 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, as we sexually repressed Americans anxiously await Horndog Billy's State of the Union address, I was thinking about the current State of Music. For me, it's really hard to tell. I mean, it seems like the general situation is quite good these days, that is, being able to find lots of nice new things and a bunch of nice 70's reissues in prog & space rock. And then there's been many more live shows going on over here in the states, with European (and some of our own) bands, old and new....although it still is rather difficult for them to break even. But now there are quite a few festivals over here (not only Strange Daze, but prog shows like ProgDay, ProgFest, ProgScape, etc.) that sometimes have 'spacier' bands. All in all, a pretty good time to be a fan. I started listening to space rock and other obscure progressive bands around 1980, and for about 8 years, I got the impression that I was just about the only one. These days, there seems to be so much more communication between fans (and also between fans and the artists themselves). Of course, I think the Internet has done a lot towards making more unusual (and consequently financially-strapped) bands reach their fan base...so it's not coincidental that these more unusual styles seem to become resurgent in the late 80's. That said, it really does look like the mainstream music scene is exactly as pathetic as it's been for at least 20 years now. I mean, every year, you can just look to the new R&RHoF inductees and immediately see the absurdity of it all. Every cheese artist in the universe is shuffled right on in, and the real pioneers (even mega-popular ones!) are just ignored. Come on...the Bee Gees before Deep Purple or Black Sabbath????? Well, now we have Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles....big deal. I admit I don't know a damn thing about F. Mac before they showed up on my radio, except for Judas Priest's Green Manalishi. But at least *I've* heard the names Peter Green and Danny Kirwan before. And I can tell you that F.Mac is not in the R&RHoF because of their contribution, but rather because Stevie Nicks & Lindsay Buckingham helped them sell zillions of albums much later on. And the "alternative" movement that's been the cat's meow for almost 10 years now is just sickening nowadays. I had the depressing experience of witnessing perhaps the worst ever on-air performance of a band in all TV history last night (although I still think that would have to go to the Thompson Twins on SNL around 1983 or so). They were called Third Eye Blind, and they looked to me to be the loser of an 8th grade Battle of the Bands. The singer was *really* awful, and pulled the most ridiculous stunt I've seen in years by appearing on stage in a straight jacket. You know, I thought that the then new alternative movement was quite interesting in 1988 or so, as American bands were finally coming up with an answer for the punk movement (ten years late). But they added some more intelligence to the style and created something that was new for a short while. So I still think positively about Jane's Addiction (even though they might be scumbags as individuals), the Minneapolis bands (Husker Du/Bob Mould, Replacements, Soul Asylum), some Toronto bands (TPoH and 13 Engines) and fIREHOSE. But Pearl Jam's 'Ten' should have been the end. It was like a successful Hollywood movie that spawned a whole host of bad sequels. And now it's just become a parody of itself, about five times over. And the 'alternative' to 'alternative'? Spice Girls, Hanson, and Chumbawamba!! Woo Woo!! Well, let's put it in perspective...this kind of meaningless crap always exists. Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer....move over - there's more coming your way! And finally...it's a bit sad to see some of the hard rock/metal giants of the 70's nowadays struggling to fill medium-size clubs crammed on to a stage about the size that their amplifier stacks used to fill alone. Maybe they should just give it up. I actually still go see these groups quite often (Yes, and that does include BOC) but there's really not much point in them aging in front of our eyes, both in physical appearance and in a musical sense. I see a Page/Plant album coming up soon....I just can't really get too excited about it. I'm basically a child of the 70's (and will always be), and when I lose interest in *these* two guys, it's time to turn the page (no pun intended). To be more list-friendly, I'd say BOC's a little different. Although the live show has been musical archeology for going on a decade, I *would* like to see a new album from these guys. After all these years, even marginally competent musicians could come up with an album's worth of interesting songs. And Dharma & crew are far above competent. And speaking of HW...my all-time favourite. Keep 'em coming, at least until the next millenium! I'd say there's a point in making Distant Horizons. There are things there (good and bad) that I haven't heard from this band before. Of course, they really haven't challenged the marks they set with their 10 years of brilliance from ISoS to Levitation. They came close with Electric Tepee and in multiple live performances (Palace Springs in particular). And they still remain as evolving and innovative as most young artists out there. And speaking now of young artists...there are more than a few of them as well creating something new, building on a base of 70's style space rock. The one that has my attention at the moment is Sky Cries Mary. I can't really say that their recorded works are absolutely fantastic, but I'm fascinated by them for their originality. I'm now convinced that there might be some new form of music that isn't simply a mixture of older styles...perhaps a bit of synergy exists there. I think Porcupine Tree, the Fish/Steve Wilson pairing, and DarXtar also are branching out a bit beyond what's already been done. Well, that's the way I see it FWIW. Just felt like purging myself of these perceptions for some unknown reason. In Space We Trust...Keith H. (FAA) From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Jan 24 20:30:49 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:30:49 -0800 Subject: BITCH! Message-ID: > > Somewhere in the dark and stinky mid-80s, there was a cheesy band by the > name of WIDOW. They were nothing special, or even interesting for that > matter, and their one album I heard pretty much gave me the kind of > pleasure one gets from chewing tinfoil. They were kind of a poor man's > Heart, with a pop-metal sound that went nowhere on a rocket. Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded in the '70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, come to the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else ever hear that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... Hell, I know I'd do that tune if I had a band... Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 24 21:12:06 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:12:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Black Widow (Re: BITCH!) In-Reply-To: <19980125013347641.AAA142@herbrose> Message-ID: At 17:30 24.01.98 -0800, you wrote: >Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded in the '70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, come to the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else ever hear that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... Hell, I know I'd do that tune if I had a band... > >Charlie Hey, Black Widow! I had this great track by them called "Wait Until Tomorrow" (or something very close) on a comp, sort of Motorhead-meets-Tull. Very cool, rockin' stuff. Another track of theirs, "Gypsy" was pretty awful though, but somewhat strange. Jethro Tull on bicycle glue. Been eyeballing their CDs (they put out 3 albums), hopefully they'll show up in the bargain bins..... Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 24 21:42:19 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:42:19 GMT Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future 5CD - Don't bother! In-Reply-To: Captain Cloud's message of Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:11:15 -0800 Message-ID: Captain Cloud writes: > While wandering thru the latest Goldmine I spotted something else > to give fits to the Kompletists among us. Here's the write-up: > > HAWKWIND - Welcome to the Future 5CD set features the "Masters of > the Universe", "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin", and "Space > Ritual 2" albums, as well as two CDs of assorted live recordings. > On Dressed To Kill.................$29.99 > I wander what the two extra CDs contain...? Not that I wish to put anyone off - the decision is yours alone to make - but I'm afraid from what I've read so far that these CDs are simply a package of what has been released over and over again in terms of the Masters of the Universe - In The Beginning stuff. It's basically just the early tapes that were made eons ago and have been reproduced at regular intervals ever since. I think I am right in saying that the band gets no revenue from these issues at all. The only real gain I think is that the entire Text of Festival double album has now been put on CD rather than the edited version. But unless you are a Kompletist (and even then I'm not convinced that it's worthwhile!) you might just as well pick up one of the cheapo versions that are around and/or check the Codex for duplication of tracks. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 25 09:11:43 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:11:43 +1000 Subject: HW: Medicine Ball Festival? Message-ID: Gidday Folks, Does the "Medicine Ball Festival" have anything at all to do with HW's history?? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jan 25 10:15:54 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:15:54 -0000 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: On Saturday, January 24, 1998 11:12 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > And the "alternative" movement that's been the cat's meow for almost 10 > years now is just sickening nowadays. I had the depressing experience of > witnessing perhaps the worst ever on-air performance of a band in all TV > history last night (although I still think that would have to go to the > Thompson Twins on SNL around 1983 or so). They were called Third Eye > Blind, > and they looked to me to be the loser of an 8th grade Battle of the Bands. > > The singer was *really* awful, and pulled the most ridiculous stunt I've > seen in years by appearing on stage in a straight jacket. Sounds like the sort of thing Turner does all the time. Except that's different of course :) And was this singer *really* worse than Ron was when he first joined? :)) I wouldn't worry about the Hall of Fame, it's just a gimmick to get people to visit Cleveland, isn't it? -Andy ObFavouriteSpice: Sporty -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Jan 25 14:58:42 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:58:42 EST Subject: HW Message-ID: hi peeps, i'm back.....on the list anyone wishing to contact me at Hawkus at hotmail.com can still do so... but i can be reached here much easier..... bye bob (Hawk-U.S.) From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Mon Jan 26 00:14:10 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:14:10 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts Message-ID: To the Brits in the audience tonight... Is the following REALLY true, and - if so - what exactly is the justification behind it? Apologies for being so OFF, but curiousity has gotten to me once again. > In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak. It just seems like a bit of a double-take to us Americans. Thanks, Damon From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Jan 26 03:24:49 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Ariel Bender Message-ID: Steven, I mean that the name Ariel Bender came about in a way that one would never have expected ("unbelievable"). I do believe that the story is true. Thankyou very much for sharing this information, it's the kind of trivia that I think most of us on BOC-L just love! Ola ---------- From: davmor at DELTANET.COM Sent: den 23 januari 1998 23:58 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender <><> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Hey Ola! Do you mean that you believe it because it sounds unbelievable, or you just think it's not true? Personally, having read the original MM interview back in early 1974, and later re-reading it in my brother's book IH biography, I don't think that you could invent a story like this, because... ..Truth usually is far stranger than fiction. Regards SDM -----Original Message----- From: Ola Nyberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:02 AM Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender >Thanks Steven, > >This story sounds pretty unbelievable... It comforts me that Hunter >didn't associate to Shakespeare either (I'm not the only one). All of a >sudden, *Ariel* sounds a lot less cool, again... >*Antenna Snapper* would have been pretty cool! > >Ola > > ---------- >From: davmor at DELTANET.COM >Sent: den 22 januari 1998 17:28 >To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU >Subject: Re: HW: Ariel Bender > ><><> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- >Actually the name *Ariel Bender* came about in a much less interesting >or amusing manner. Luther Grosvernor had joined Mott the Hoople as >the replacment for Mick Ralphs, and the band was in Germany beginning >a European tour before returning to the studio to record *The Hoople*. >Ian Hunter had suggested to LG that he needed a *cooler* name (since >he was now playing guitar for a band that was periferaly glam, etc.) >so they were trying to come up with one. They'd not found one that >anyone in the band liked so Hunter and Grosvenor went for a walk; >they passed an auto wrecking yard where two guys were bending the >ariels (radio antennas) of the cars, snapping them off. Hunter looked >at Grosvenor -- said *Ariel Bender* -- and the rest is history. The >source of this an interview with Hunter (originally conducted in MM) >that is reprinted in one of the IH/MTH bio-books in my brother's >collection. Remember: truth is stranger than fiction! > >Regards >Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com > > -----Original message----- >From: Ola Nyberg >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 7:16 AM >Subject: Re: HW : well HUW / Widowmaker > > >>>*Ariel* like in the Little Mermaid and *Bender* as in stringbender or >>>what? I wouldn't want to be called *Luther Grosvenor* either, but Ariel >>>Bender... Gimme a break. >>> >>>Ola >> >>>jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK: >> >>>No, Ariel like a) appertaining to the sky b) The angelic Name or c) >>>the elemental from Shakespeare's The Tempest ...and.... >>> >>>Bender like a) 4-day-drinking binge or b) ambigous sexuality. basically >>>gay. It genuinely took some guts to call >>>yourself a bender in the early '70's. >>> >>>anyway, it doesn't matter what it means as much as how it sounds. It >>>sounds to me like some sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist but >>>each to his own. I'm indifferent to the man's guitar but *dig* that >>>name! >>>Jon >> >>"Sky-writing hallucinating stunt guitarist!" - I *DIG* that! >> >>Thanks for the enlightening info! I guess it sounds differently to you >>(whose native tongue is English and know a bit more about Shakespeare) >>than it does to me. I guess the reason Ariel doesn't sound too angelic >to >>me is that it makes me think of washing powder, mermaids and such. Given >>the real (original) meaning of it, it does seem a lot less uncool. I >must >>have associated to the wrong things, simply due to my poor knowledge of >>Shakespeare and English in general and, apparently, the influence that >>those TV commercials must have had on me! Bastards! >> >>Cheers, >> >>Ola >> > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jan 26 03:31:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:31:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts Message-ID: On Monday, January 26, 1998 5:14 AM, DAMON CAPEHART [SMTP:monsieur at MYMAIL.NET] wrote: > To the Brits in the audience tonight... > Is the following REALLY true, and - if so - what exactly is the > justification behind it? Apologies for being so OFF, but > curiousity has gotten to me once again. > > > In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak. > > It just seems like a bit of a double-take to us Americans. > > Thanks, > Damon In a sense, your "weird fact" is true, but on its own doesn't give the real picture! The Speaker is an elected member of Parliament who is chosen by the whole House of Commons to chair the debates - at which the admirable Betty Boothroyd does a splendid job. She has to say "order, order" an awful lot, though. But, no, she can't actually join in the debates, although no doubt she still acts as a constituency MP, and plays an important role in the governance of Britain. -Andy ObCD: Natacha Atlas - _Halim_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Jan 26 04:28:16 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:28:16 GMT Subject: BRAIN, covers Message-ID: >MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') Have you heard Spacemen 3's version of this? -- Jon Which song have Spaceman 3 covered - American Ruse or Starship ? I still think HW should cover Starship, and I know Ron's a big Iggy/Stooges/MC5 fan. Apparently 'Search & Destroy' used to be a regular set closer for Bastard (Ron's old band). Neil. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 24 12:22:14 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:22:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future 5CD set In-Reply-To: <34CA58F3.13C2@palmnet.net> Message-ID: In article <34CA58F3.13C2 at palmnet.net>, Captain Cloud writes >While wandering thru the latest Goldmine I spotted something else >to give fits to the Kompletists among us. Here's the write-up: > > HAWKWIND - Welcome to the Future 5CD set features the "Masters of > the Universe", "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin", and "Space > Ritual 2" albums, as well as two CDs of assorted live recordings. > On Dressed To Kill.................$29.99 > >I wander what the two extra CDs contain...? At a guess, I'd say Douglas In The Jungle, Hash Cake '77 etc etc. Betcha it's the Trojan stuff __again__! -- Jon From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jan 26 05:50:26 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:50:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future 5CD set In-Reply-To: <34CA58F3.13C2@palmnet.net> Message-ID: >While wandering thru the latest Goldmine I spotted something else >to give fits to the Kompletists among us. Here's the write-up: > > > HAWKWIND - Welcome to the Future 5CD set features the "Masters of > the Universe", "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin", and "Space > Ritual 2" albums, as well as two CDs of assorted live recordings. > On Dressed To Kill.................$29.99 > >I wander what the two extra CDs contain...? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Talking with some renowned Hawkhead, Steve Freight, over here in the UK, it appears that the five CDs are as follows: 1 In the beginning 2 Space Ritual Volume 2 3 Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin 4 Texts of Festival 5 Texts of Festival 2 Out of this little lot the only material not to have appeared on CD before is the missing side of the original Vinyl version of Texts of Festival. Also, seeing that as 'In the Beginning' and 'Texts of Festival' are virtually identical, this whole package seems to be the same old stuff re-hashed again in an attempt to rip-off the band and the fans. I wouldn't even buy just the missing side of 'Text of Festival' if it was availlable on it's own, let alone as part of a box-set of the same old stuff thats been re-packaged time and time again. Allegedly, EBS are trying desperately to get a court injunction against its release, especially as the band don't get any royalties, allegedly. I reckon that any decent music supplier should boycott it anyhow. MAKE YOUR OWN MINDS UP, but I'm parting with hard-earned cash for more crap. I strongly advise even the die-hard collectors who buy things for completeness, not to get hold of this one. A previous CD that I had of one of the recordings oxidised within 3 years and was totally unplayable, probably pressed on the cheap. I'm taking the risk on five more. Mind you, the decent material from EBS and EMI is a completely different story. Great music, great packaging, money well spent. 1999 is 'king marvellous! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 26 07:02:17 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:02:17 EDT Subject: tBS: covers In-Reply-To: <34CA394E.2A68FA28@blackboard.com> Message-ID: > From: sprawl > Robert Sedler wrote: > > > Other tunes that would sound great for them to do would be covers of: > > > > Nazareth- Silver Dollar Forger > > Rush- The Temples of Syrinx > > ok. now you've done it. now, over to you Theo. =) > rj Nope! I'm out of the business. But have any of you all read Neil Peart's new BOOK Masked Rider? Apparently it's about cycling all over the world. Guess he's a big time cyclist. Supposedly it isn't about music at all, and the band is hardly mentioned. But Torgo, I think you need an evaluation! tBS covering Rush? The only way they'd do it would have to be a send-up of some kind. If that were the case, then even I'd listen to it... From lansford at VNET.NET Mon Jan 26 08:32:37 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:32:37 GMT Subject: BITCH! In-Reply-To: <19980125013347641.AAA142@herbrose> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, herbert rosenberg wrote: >Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded >in the '70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it >was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, >come to the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else >ever hear that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... >Hell, I know I'd do that tune if I had a band... Steve Swann has a tape of "music videos" containing that song (along with some very interesting others). Had to be one of the more memorable pieces on the tape. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 26 09:36:29 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:36:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > The Speaker is an elected member of Parliament who is chosen by the whole > House of Commons to chair the debates - at which the admirable Betty > Boothroyd does a splendid job. She has to say "order, order" an awful lot, > though. But, no, she can't actually join in the debates, although no doubt > she still acts as a constituency MP, and plays an important role in the > governance of Britain. She also gets the casting vote in the event of a tie though there may be a tradition that this is cast with the Government side if any. FoFP From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Jan 26 09:41:28 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:41:28 +0100 Subject: BITCH! Message-ID: Didn't Swedish doom metallers Candlemass do *Come To The Sabbat*? Or was it the Danish dentist/scorcher King Diamond? ---------- From: lansford at VNET.NET Sent: den 26 januari 1998 14:43 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: BITCH! <> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, herbert rosenberg wrote: >Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded >in the '70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it >was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, >come to the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else >ever hear that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... >Hell, I know I'd do that tune if I had a band... Steve Swann has a tape of "music videos" containing that song (along with some very interesting others). Had to be one of the more memorable pieces on the tape. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 26 06:50:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:50:57 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, covers In-Reply-To: <199801260928.JAA16661@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: In article <199801260928.JAA16661 at achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>, Neil Shilladay writes >>MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') > >Have you heard Spacemen 3's version of this? >-- >Jon > > >Which song have Spaceman 3 covered - American Ruse or Starship ? > >I still think HW should cover Starship, and I know Ron's a big Iggy/Stooges/MC5 >fan. Apparently 'Search & Destroy' used to be a regular set closer for Bastard >(Ron's old band). > >Neil. Starship. It's on the "Perfect Perscription"album. and *i* think HW should cover it too! -- Jon Browne ObCD - What I said! From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 26 12:06:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:06:47 -0600 Subject: tBS Covers, I'll keep a tally. Message-ID: >BTW, probably should lay a groundrule that Y&T covers won't be considered. ;-) John Ouch, right between the eyes. I was gonna suggest Don't Tell Me What to Wear but since this rule is in I'll withdraw it. 8>). Seriously, I'll keep a running tab to see what we came up with. I have two one is funny/humorous. The other a sound that would wear well on tBS, lyrically and musically it sounds a lot like classic Al era BOC. Strange Wings by Savatage. tBS would eat this one up. L8er Ghost in the Ruins. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 13:45:42 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:45:42 PST Subject: tBS: covers Message-ID: OK - Check it... ZZ Top - El Diablo ...OR... ZZ Top - Ten Dollar Man Check it right out. U2 - The Fly. ________________ "Heh heh heh" Acme Mad Scientist. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 26 13:41:22 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:41:22 +0100 Subject: tBS Covers, I'll keep a tally. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:06 26.01.98 -0600, you wrote: >>BTW, probably should lay a groundrule that Y&T covers won't be considered. >;-) > >John > >Ouch, right between the eyes. I was gonna suggest Don't Tell Me What to >Wear but since this rule is in I'll withdraw it. 8>). > >Seriously, I'll keep a running tab to see what we came up with. I have >two one is funny/humorous. The other a sound that would wear well on >tBS, lyrically and musically it sounds a lot like classic Al era BOC. >Strange Wings by Savatage. tBS would eat this one up. > >L8er >Ghost in the Ruins. AC/DC: Sin City Jailbreak It's A Long Way To the Top (if You wanna Rock'n'Roll) ...or Stooges: Search & Destroy I Wanna Be Your Dog Cock In My Pocket 1969 ....but then I only heard their (great) HW covers..... Christian From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 13:56:42 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:56:42 PST Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: >-Andy > >ObFavouriteSpice: Sporty > Yaay - lets hear it for flat-chested girls with more talent than the rest of the band put together. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 26 13:02:14 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:02:14 EDT Subject: tBS: covers In-Reply-To: <19980126184543.28230.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > OK - Check it... > > ZZ Top - El Diablo > ...OR... > ZZ Top - Ten Dollar Man > > Check it right out. > > U2 - The Fly. > I'd nominate Master of Sparks by ZZ Top... From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 26 14:01:04 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:01:04 PST Subject: BRAIN, covers Message-ID: Apparently 'Search & Destroy' used to be a regular set closer for Bastard >(Ron's old band). > >Neil. > Who else was in BASTARD? I have a niggling feeling in the back of my head aboutthis, but I can't quite remember. Chri$. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jan 26 14:52:17 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:17 -0800 Subject: Starship (was Re: BRAIN, covers - now also HW/Ron) Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >In article <199801260928.JAA16661 at achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>, >Neil Shilladay writes >>>MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') >> >>Have you heard Spacemen 3's version of this? > >>Which song have Spaceman 3 covered - American Ruse or Starship ? >> >>I still think HW should cover Starship, and I know Ron's a big >>Iggy/Stooges/MC5 >>fan. Apparently 'Search & Destroy' used to be a regular set closer for >>Bastard (Ron's old band). > >Starship. It's on the "Perfect Perscription"album. >and *i* think HW should cover it too! In fact, Ron already *has* covered "Starship"! (or was this already mentioned, and I just missed it?) It appears on one of the 'Capt. Jesus and the Sunray Dream' LP's ('All Thanks To Lord Jesus Christ Amen' is, I think, the album title). Great version, and I'd be hard-pressed to say which of the three is my favorite. Of course, they're *all* covers, since the original was a space-jazz chant by Sun Ra, given a rock workout by the MC5 (they did the same with Pharoh Sanders' "Upper and Lower Egypt"). Both Capt. Jesus albums are great kick-ass psychedelic punk recordings, and highly recommended (worth the $20-some I had to spend on each). Plus, as a hardkore vinyl kollektor, I love the fact that they come in hand-screened sleeves with blank labels - very "Private Press" looking. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Jan 26 16:04:10 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:04:10 -0500 Subject: tBS: Covers, I'll keep a tally. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>BTW, probably should lay a groundrule that Y&T covers won't be considered. >;-) > >John > >Ouch, right between the eyes. I was gonna suggest Don't Tell Me What to >Wear but since this rule is in I'll withdraw it. 8>). > Hey TPFKALAB ;-) Did you get 'Endangered Species' yet? Ted From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Jan 26 17:49:44 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:49:44 EST Subject: HW: fanzines Message-ID: hello peeps, just received latest Strange trips fanzine....looks good as usual.... also, thanks to recent generosity, i was able to reprint Issue #6 of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space fanzine....the one that i ran out of at the "Strange Daze" 97 fest..... i've already sent out most of the reprints since i owed quite a few folk already....but theres a few left (and i mean just a few) anyone who is still interested in getting #6 please send me funds to cover postage only...since i still do not sell the fanzine it is costing me $1.24 in US stamps to mail this one out or for overseas,....send 4 IRC's Also, I am now working on Issue #7 of TIme and Space..so anyone with articles, reviews pics.....especially from the strange days fest....please let me know,..... space is deep bob From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jan 26 17:32:20 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:32:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Windspell is having a SALE Message-ID: Note: No compensation for this post, just want to let you in on a good deal!!! Windspell Music is having a great sale on the existing stock of electronic music. New releases and stock catalog are US$14.98 each ($2 off) and selected items are as low as $10.98. Buy ten CD's and get Michael Garrisons' (Mr. Windspell hisself!) double live CD for free. Act NOW, as this offer expires this Friday at 5PM PST (Jan 30th). 1-800-597-9463 (597-WIND) This has been a public service announcement. You are welcome ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jan 26 18:22:53 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:22:53 +0100 Subject: Hawkweed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The most curious entry so far in this crap encyclopedia, after searching on "Hawkwind", this popped up: --------------------------------------------------------- Hawkweed, a genus of perennial plants Hieracium of the family Compositae with loosely clustered yellow, orange, or white flower heads and oblong toothed leaves that grow from roots in rosette; troublesome weed in some places; an old superstition stated that hawks used the sap to sharpen their eyesight. --------------------------------------------------------- Excerpted from Compton?s Interactive Encyclopedia Copyright ? 1994, 1995 Compton?s NewMedia, Inc. -------------------------------------------- or from the equally crap dictionary, this entry: -------------------------------------------- hawk weed (hok wed ) n. any of a genus (Hieracium ) of plants of the composite family, usually with conspicuous basal leaves and stalked clusters of heads with yellow or scarlet ray flowers, including devil's paintbrush --------------------------------------------------------- Excerpted from Compton?s Interactive Encyclopedia Copyright ? 1994, 1995 Compton?s NewMedia, Inc. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jan 26 14:48:27 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:48:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widomaker,/etc. In-Reply-To: <1833501023011998/A03997/LNMV02/11C1BAB22000*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <1833501023011998/A03997/LNMV02/11C1BAB22000*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >I only ever saw bob perform once, that was with the band at Ramsgate, in May >1984. The band were really relaxed and Calvert was superb with his brass >megaphone - I've even got a great tape of that gig too! It would have made a >great video - alas, missed oportunities! Was that The Battle of the Bands contest gig? If so, I was there also - any chance of getting a copy of that tape? I had my camera at the gig but somehow got sand in the mechanism and the camera failed just when I needed it! Sod's law! Thanks, Mark From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Jan 27 05:13:54 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:13:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw/Widomaker,/etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Was that The Battle of the Bands contest gig? If so, I was there also - >any chance of getting a copy of that tape? I had my camera at the gig >but somehow got sand in the mechanism and the camera failed just when I >needed it! Sod's law! > >Thanks, > >Mark Hi Mark, Yup, it was the Battle off the Bands contest - which Nik organised! Reckon I could do you a tape of that gig! E-mail me direct on guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk with your phone number, and I'll give you a call. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 27 04:57:45 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:57:45 +0000 Subject: BRAIN, covers In-Reply-To: <19980126190104.9195.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980126190104.9195.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >Who else was in BASTARD? >I have a niggling feeling in the back of my head aboutthis, but I can't >quite remember. > >Chri$. Oh, you know, Lemmy, Larry Wallis etc...hang on...no, sorry,.... different Bastard.... -- Jon Browne From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Jan 27 06:29:49 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:29:49 +0200 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: <199801242311.SAA27832@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hej, I really enjoyed this diatribe below and can relate to some of it quite well. >Well, as we sexually repressed Americans anxiously await Horndog Billy's >State of the Union address, I was thinking about the current State of Music. >For me, it's really hard to tell. I mean, it seems like the general >situation is quite good these days, that is, being able to find lots of nice >new things and a bunch of nice 70's reissues in prog & space rock. And then >there's been many more live shows going on over here in the states, with >European (and some of our own) bands, old and new....although it still is >rather difficult for them to break even. But now there are quite a few >festivals over here (not only Strange Daze, but prog shows like ProgDay, >ProgFest, ProgScape, etc.) that sometimes have 'spacier' bands. All in all, >a pretty good time to be a fan. > Yes, that fact that we get to see a lot of these bands live is a great plus! >I started listening to space rock and other obscure progressive bands around >1980, and for about 8 years, I got the impression that I was just about the >only one. These days, there seems to be so much more communication between >fans (and also between fans and the artists themselves). Of course, I think >the Internet has done a lot towards making more unusual (and consequently >financially-strapped) bands reach their fan base...so it's not coincidental >that these more unusual styles seem to become resurgent in the late 80's. > You started into this field of music earlier than I did. I was a total 100% metalhead until 1989 or so, then I really expaned quite a lot, when I moved to Berkeley and met some great people, like Malcolm Humes! >That said, it really does look like the mainstream music scene is exactly as >pathetic as it's been for at least 20 years now. I mean, every year, you >can just look to the new R&RHoF inductees and immediately see the absurdity >of it all. Every cheese artist in the universe is shuffled right on in, and >the real pioneers (even mega-popular ones!) are just ignored. Come on...the >Bee Gees before Deep Purple or Black Sabbath????? Well, now we have >Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles....big deal. I admit I don't know a damn thing >about F. Mac before they showed up on my radio, except for Judas Priest's >Green Manalishi. But at least *I've* heard the names Peter Green and Danny >Kirwan before. And I can tell you that F.Mac is not in the R&RHoF because >of their contribution, but rather because Stevie Nicks & Lindsay Buckingham >helped them sell zillions of albums much later on. > >And the "alternative" movement that's been the cat's meow for almost 10 >years now is just sickening nowadays. I had the depressing experience of >witnessing perhaps the worst ever on-air performance of a band in all TV >history last night (although I still think that would have to go to the >Thompson Twins on SNL around 1983 or so). They were called Third Eye Blind, >and they looked to me to be the loser of an 8th grade Battle of the Bands. >The singer was *really* awful, and pulled the most ridiculous stunt I've >seen in years by appearing on stage in a straight jacket. > It is totally pathetic! >You know, I thought that the then new alternative movement was quite >interesting in 1988 or so, as American bands were finally coming up with an >answer for the punk movement (ten years late). But they added some more >intelligence to the style and created something that was new for a short >while. So I still think positively about Jane's Addiction (even though they >might be scumbags as individuals), the Minneapolis bands (Husker Du/Bob >Mould, Replacements, Soul Asylum), some Toronto bands (TPoH and 13 Engines) >and fIREHOSE. But Pearl Jam's 'Ten' should have been the end. It was like >a successful Hollywood movie that spawned a whole host of bad sequels. And >now it's just become a parody of itself, about five times over. > Yes, the first two Janes addiction lps were very unique. Great band at that time! >And the 'alternative' to 'alternative'? Spice Girls, Hanson, and >Chumbawamba!! Woo Woo!! Well, let's put it in perspective...this kind of >meaningless crap always exists. Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer....move over - >there's more coming your way! > There will always be that shit passing through the music business bowels.. >And finally...it's a bit sad to see some of the hard rock/metal giants of >the 70's nowadays struggling to fill medium-size clubs crammed on to a stage >about the size that their amplifier stacks used to fill alone. Maybe they >should just give it up. I actually still go see these groups quite often >(Yes, and that does include BOC) but there's really not much point in them >aging in front of our eyes, both in physical appearance and in a musical >sense. I see a Page/Plant album coming up soon....I just can't really get >too excited about it. I'm basically a child of the 70's (and will always >be), and when I lose interest in *these* two guys, it's time to turn the >page (no pun intended). > BOC, Kansas, Ted Nugent, etc.. >To be more list-friendly, I'd say BOC's a little different. Although the >live show has been musical archeology for going on a decade, I *would* like >to see a new album from these guys. After all these years, even marginally >competent musicians could come up with an album's worth of interesting >songs. And Dharma & crew are far above competent. > I also would like to see a new lp by them, but I don?'t expect that much. I think they have probably lost the motivation to do much new, that is why they have not put out a new lp in 10 years. They could easily have found someone to put it out for them. >And speaking of HW...my all-time favourite. Keep 'em coming, at least until >the next millenium! I'd say there's a point in making Distant Horizons. >There are things there (good and bad) that I haven't heard from this band >before. Of course, they really haven't challenged the marks they set with >their 10 years of brilliance from ISoS to Levitation. They came close with >Electric Tepee and in multiple live performances (Palace Springs in >particular). And they still remain as evolving and innovative as most young >artists out there. > I had a long talk with Doug Walker and Nik turner about Dave Brock's Hawkwind, since it really isn't much of a band anymore but a bunch of guys whom do what dave says and play music.. We both agree that Dave, as BOC is just coasting. NOt really doing much new to push the envelope of music, but just coasting. I do really like some of the stuff on Distant Horizons though. >And speaking now of young artists...there are more than a few of them as >well creating something new, building on a base of 70's style space rock. >The one that has my attention at the moment is Sky Cries Mary. I can't >really say that their recorded works are absolutely fantastic, but I'm >fascinated by them for their originality. I'm now convinced that there >might be some new form of music that isn't simply a mixture of older >styles...perhaps a bit of synergy exists there. I think Porcupine Tree, the >Fish/Steve Wilson pairing, and DarXtar also are branching out a bit beyond >what's already been done. > I never have really been into the Sky cries Mary. Carl loaned me three of their CD's and they were alright but did not really kick me in the face, like that first Embryo lp I listened to last night, wow!! I like the way that Darztar has progressed as well. I look forward to hearing the next Porcupine tree as I liked the Signify studio lp a lot. The new live one is too studio sounding. As for Fish, I gave up on him a few lps ago. He became so commerical sounding. I guess I should give this new project a chance? Great! scott If you figure out the song tracks for the Amon Duul II show, please let me know. Let me know ho you like the rest of the tapes as well. R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Jan 27 08:59:48 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:59:48 +0200 Subject: California Brainstorm Message-ID: Hi Got two brand new "California Brainstorm" (Cyclops) + "Illustrated Collectors Guide to HW" to sell/trade. Again, found the infamous "Urban Guerilla" in collection "Les Genies du Rock" from Editions Atlas; this rare (?) monthly edition from the 80's is the usual attempt to sell "Bring me the head of Y.G.", but hard to find except in France. Also to sell, or trade. Olivier ________________________Olivier Boigey________________________ 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 - Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 - e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 27 08:53:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:53:46 -0600 Subject: tBS Cover Tally, thus far/ Y&T, Endangered Species Message-ID: The Tally thus far. If I missed your please remind me. Neil - Led Zep - Gallows' Pole Wisbone Ash - Lady Whiskey MC5 - American Ruse (while we're at it - HW to cover MC5's 'Starship') Jefferson Airplane - Somebody to Love Thin Lizzy - Warrior John Swartz Collective Soul - Where the River Flows Janis Joplin - Take Another Piece of my Heart The Beatles - Helter Skelter, Revolution, I Want You (She's So Heavy) Black Sabbath - Children of the Grave, War Pigs Motley Crue - Live Wire BOC - Tattoo Vampire, "Frankenstein", Vera Gemini The Presidents of the U.S.A - Lump, Kitty Grateful Dead - Truckin' Metallica - Bleeding Me Brian - Something Good, Bobby Floats a Fencepost - Peter Bohovesky I Just Wanna Make Love to You - Foghat -they played this live the 1st time I saw tBS and it *ROCKED*! Fire - Crazy World of Arthur Brown 21st Century Schizoid Man - King Crimson Speed King - Deep Purple Time of the Season - Zombies Torgo - Widow - Bitch Nazareth- Silver Dollar Forger Rush- The Temples of Syrinx RR - always thought Al would sound pretty cool doing something from Jimi Hendrix. Horse Whisperer - ZZ Top - El Diablo ...OR... ZZ Top - Ten Dollar Man U2 - The Fly. AC/DC: Sin City Jailbreak It's A Long Way To the Top (if You wanna Rock'n'Roll) Stooges: Search & Destroy I Wanna Be Your Dog Cock In My Pocket 1969 Theo - Master of Sparks by ZZ Top... Ted A.>Hey TPFKALAB ;-) Did you get 'Endangered Species' yet? Sadly no. I know a guy from the King's X and Galactic Cowboys list that runs a real nice Y&T website. He has an import copy but tells me he has no clue when ES hits the US. Was supposed to be January, but hasn't happened. Worst yet Musically Incorrect is now out of print in the US. I got this one as an import. The heaviest, most attitude laden Y&T ever. It smokes. If you don't have it you'll have to get an import copy now. I know John said no Y&T covers :-) but its a Long Way Down from MI would rule. Oh BTW my offical tBS cover votes as follows: Strange Wings - Savatage (Hall of the Mountain King) Dr. Stein - Helloween (Keeper of the Seven Keys II) Psychotic Companion - Galactic Cowboys (Machine Fish) Cosmic Slop - Funkadelic and hold on to your hats .... Flies and Blue Skies - King's X (Dogman) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jan 27 09:19:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:19:00 +0000 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's mail of Tue, 27 Jan 98 13:29 +0200 Message-ID: On 27 Jan 11:29, Scott Heller wrote: > >And the 'alternative' to 'alternative'? Spice Girls, Hanson, and > >Chumbawamba!! Woo Woo!! Well, let's put it in perspective...this kind of > >meaningless crap always exists. Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer....move over - > >there's more coming your way! > > > There will always be that shit passing through the music business bowels.. Someone should save these posts about Chumbawamba. The great anti-music-biz anarchists are now grouped with the Spice Girls! They should never have signed to EMI. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Jan 27 09:25:30 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:25:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Widow (Re: BITCH!) Message-ID: >From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM >>Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded in the >>'70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it >>was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, come to >>the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else ever hear >>that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... Hell, I know >>I'd do that tune if I had a band... >Hey, Black Widow! I had this great track by them called "Wait Until >Tomorrow" (or something very close) on a comp, sort of >Motorhead-meets-Tull. Very cool, rockin' stuff. Another track of theirs, >"Gypsy" was pretty awful though, but somewhat strange. Jethro Tull on >bicycle glue. Been eyeballing their CDs (they put out 3 albums), hopefully >they'll show up in the bargain bins..... I'd warn people to listen before they buy with Black Widow. I've got _Sacrifice_ and _III_ on vinyl and they sound like two different bands. Which is no surprise when you check the liner notes. All the songs on _Sacrifice_ (which is the album with "Come To The Sabbat") were written by guitarist Jim Gannon who is not on _III_. The only personnel carryovers between the two albums are the singer (who also takes up the guitar slack on _III_ but is not credited with guitar on _Sacrifice_, which was recorded in 1970), the organ/piano player, and the sax/flute player. _III_ is pretty much jazz rock with the only "evil" imagery being the cover shot of a long forgotten prisoner languishing in his cell with only a spider (guess which kind (-8) for company. Heck, _Sacrifice_ is more jazz rock than Black Sabbath evil sludge. Nik could pull of Satanic sax and flute, but Clive Jones, the guy from Black Widow, isn't in that league. I do, however, have this memory of reading a review of one of Black Widow's live performances. Tellingly, all I can remember is the description of the intro: half the stage is in total darkness, the other half is dimmly lit, mostly by the fires underneath kettles. In the glow of the fires, a naked woman takes her place as the altar. A priest raises his sacrifical knife. As the blade plunges downward, the lighting shifts to illuminate the band who had been hidding in the darkness as they start to play. Alas, I would have loved to have seen that show, but the music on _Sacrifice_ doesn't do it justice and the music on _III_ doesn't come close. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Jan 27 09:15:19 1998 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:15:19 +0100 Subject: California Brainstorm Message-ID: Salut Olivier, Je suis int?ress? par le "Illustrated Collectors Guide to HW". Que veux-tu en ?change? Ou combien de fric veux-tu pour ce truc? Ciao, Ola ---------- From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sent: den 27 januari 1998 15:03 To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: California Brainstorm <> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Hi Got two brand new "California Brainstorm" (Cyclops) + "Illustrated Collectors Guide to HW" to sell/trade. Again, found the infamous "Urban Guerilla" in collection "Les Genies du Rock" from Editions Atlas; this rare (?) monthly edition from the 80's is the usual attempt to sell "Bring me the head of Y.G.", but hard to find except in France. Also to sell, or trade. Olivier ________________________Olivier Boigey________________________ 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 - Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 - e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 27 09:23:41 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:41 +0800 Subject: Social Alliance Message-ID: Hi there Can somebody tell me if the version of the aforementioned song released as a Dave Brock single is from an Agents of Chaos concert or a Hawkwind concert? I suspect the latter. Also, is the version of Images on California Brainstorm edited, like the version on Live in Space? William From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Jan 27 09:57:28 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:57:28 GMT Subject: Social Alliance Message-ID: At 10:23 PM 1/27/98 +0800, you wrote: >Hi there > >Can somebody tell me if the version of the aforementioned song released as a >Dave Brock single is from an Agents of Chaos concert or a Hawkwind concert? >I suspect the latter. > >Also, is the version of Images on California Brainstorm edited, like the >version on Live in Space? > >William I believe the Social Alliance single is not live at all, but a studio recording. And yes, the version of images on California Brainstorm is exactly the same one that is on Live In Space. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Jan 27 10:09:47 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:09:47 GMT Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: Someone mentioned that Dave Brock is just coasting, musically speaking, these days, and I would have to agree. It was a sad day when I realized that the best songs on Distant Horizons are by Ron Tree, and Dave's songs are some of the ones I could have done without! I suppose Dave has been there/done that, and he's getting older.... I suppose he's just shifting into retirement mode, sad as it is to think about. I would love it if he could "get in gear" and give us a totally new album (not remakes of old songs) which features more input from him. Most of his more recent output has sounded like fairly disinterested/idly composed stuff. I guess I'm just saying that anything he's written in the past few years just hasn't been very good. There. I've said it. There are exceptions of course.... "Alien I Am" was pretty cool, for example. On the other hand, looking at the Brock songs on Distant Horizons, let's see.... "Waimea Canyon Drive"--YUCK. "Clouded Vision"--YUCK. "Population Overload"--YUCK. And the last instrumental bits at the end of the album are really just filler (and besides we've all heard Love in Space on the album of that title and the EP of that title, do we really need to waste album space rehashing it again?). The best Brock bit on this album would be the words to Kauai, where he's saying, "Thermos of oil, sandwich of steel" etc. And then "Alchemy" by Jerry Richards and Richard Chadwick is just plain bad, and inappropriate for a Hawkwind album. The two Ron Tree songs are fun, but I worry that this kind of silliness will wear thin pretty quickly, if we are asked to endure much more of it. The title track is OK, but there just isn't much "meat" to it, and I feel like I could do without Captain Rizz or whoever that is doing the reggae vocal bit. OK I guess I've ranted enough... Hawkwind are still great. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Jan 27 10:13:51 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:13:51 GMT Subject: HW:Ron Tree's "Bastard" (was BRAIN, covers) Message-ID: Chris, The workmate who shared a house with RT is on holiday at the mo'. Will quiz him about Mr Tree's bandmates when he returns. Doug, no I haven't heard Cpt Jesus' cover of this. Aw well, if Ron's done Starship, we'll have to hold out for Search & Destroy. Cheers, Neil. ObCD: Jethro Tull, "Broadsword & the Beast" >Who else was in BASTARD? >I have a niggling feeling in the back of my head aboutthis, but I can't >quite remember. > >Chri$. From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 27 10:15:23 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:15:23 +0200 Subject: OFF:Kingston Wall Message-ID: Hi! I know that there is people who like great finnish band call Kingston Wall. Well, I have some good news. I just read that all three album will re-release with extra songs! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 27 10:05:15 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:05:15 +0800 Subject: Social Alliance Message-ID: >I believe the Social Alliance single is not live at all, but a studio >recording. On the single version there are crowd noises in the background. Maybe it was added on later? William From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 27 10:17:31 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:17:31 +0200 Subject: HW:HLL Message-ID: Hi! Receive today new Huw Lloyd Langton album call On the Move. It?s pure Huw, if you like his other solos, you will like this too. Couple old songs like Got You Number and Outside The Law, but these are also new played. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 27 10:41:41 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:41:41 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: >it, and I feel like I could do without Captain Rizz or whoever that is doing >the reggae vocal bit. OK I guess I've ranted enough... Hawkwind are still >great. I was rather disappointed with Distant Horizons as well. One thing I have noticed is the reggae influence creeping into a lot of songs lately. Wasn't Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell sacked because of this??? William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 27 11:03:29 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:03:29 +0000 Subject: OFF:Kingston Wall Message-ID: On tis 27 jan 1998 17.15 +0200 "Miikka Wagner" wrote: > I know that there is people who like great finnish band call Kingston Wall. > Well, I have some good news. I just read that all three album will > re-release with extra songs! Yee-ha! This is great news!! When? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 27 11:17:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:17:48 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: On tis 27 jan 1998 23.41 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > One thing I have noticed is the reggae influence creeping into a lot of > songs lately. Wasn't Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell sacked because of this??? I thought it was funk they were getting into ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 27 11:22:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:22:27 -0500 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: >(regarding BOC) >I also would like to see a new lp by them, but I donx't expect that much. I think they have probably lost the motivation to do much new, that is why they have not put out a new lp in 10 years. They could easily have found someone to put it out for them. Well, I know many of us here won't believe the new album until we can physically see, touch, and play it, all signs are still pointing toward a March '98 release. Eric, who has been pretty tightlipped in the past year about the release (contrast that with his regular announcements that always had the album coming out just a few months from the time of his announcement), he has posted on AOL a March 24 release date - this date has been presumably been provided by CMC International, who will be releasing the CD. From everything I've heard, the actual release of the CD of the band's hands (which I would think is a good thing, since when it was left up to them, well, it took awhile...), so hopefully we can all camp out at our local record stores exactly 8 weeks from today... John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 27 11:16:54 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (cannibal at CUTEY.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:54 +0100 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <500627.3094906668@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:17 27.01.98 +0000, you wrote: >On tis 27 jan 1998 23.41 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: >> One thing I have noticed is the reggae influence creeping into a lot of >> songs lately. Wasn't Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell sacked because of >this??? > > I thought it was funk they were getting into ... ummm... DISCO, actually. Christian > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 27 11:31:18 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:31:18 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: >> songs lately. Wasn't Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell sacked because of >this??? > > I thought it was funk they were getting into ... > I seem to remember Calvert mentioning funk & reggae. William From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 27 11:53:02 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:53:02 +0200 Subject: OFF:Kingston Wall Message-ID: >On tis 27 jan 1998 17.15 +0200 "Miikka Wagner" wrote: >> I know that there is people who like great finnish band call Kingston >Wall. >> Well, I have some good news. I just read that all three album will >> re-release with extra songs! > > Yee-ha! This is great news!! When? > Next month. Those extra songs is b-sides and live recordings! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jan 27 11:53:43 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:53:43 +0200 Subject: off:[sm] Message-ID: Hi! Are there still people who waiting they stuff from sm (4thworld)? Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 27 12:24:12 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:24:12 +0000 Subject: OFF:Kingston Wall Message-ID: On tis 27 jan 1998 18.53 +0200 "Miikka Wagner" wrote: >>> I know that there is people who like great finnish band call Kingston >>Wall. >>> Well, I have some good news. I just read that all three album will >>> re-release with extra songs! >> >> Yee-ha! This is great news!! When? > > Next month. > Those extra songs is b-sides and live recordings! Yee-ha Yee-ha!! Amazing. Astounding. Magnificent. Must have must have must have must have must have ... (etc.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Jan 27 12:21:39 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:39 GMT Subject: Social Alliance Message-ID: At 11:05 PM 1/27/98 +0800, you wrote: >>I believe the Social Alliance single is not live at all, but a studio >>recording. > >On the single version there are crowd noises in the background. Maybe it was >added on later? > >William The crowd noises are just there as a "sound," and I'm sure they aren't meant to anyone into thinking it's a live track. I suppose a comparable effect would be the crowd clapping/cheering heard on studio and live versions of "Out of the Shadows". I think it's interesting the way Brock has used samples of audience noise in the same way one would use a sample of any other sound effect. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Jan 27 12:21:55 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:55 GMT Subject: HW:HLL Message-ID: At 05:17 PM 1/27/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi! > >Receive today new Huw Lloyd Langton album call On the Move. It?s pure Huw, >if you like his other solos, you will like this too. Couple old songs like >Got You Number and Outside The Law, but these are also new played. > >Miikka Wagner >From where may I get this CD? How much money etc.? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 27 12:35:22 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:35:22 +0800 Subject: Social Alliance Message-ID: >The crowd noises are just there as a "sound," and I'm sure they aren't meant >to anyone into thinking it's a live track. I suppose a comparable effect >would be the crowd clapping/cheering heard on studio and live versions of >"Out of the Shadows". I think it's interesting the way Brock has used >samples of audience noise in the same way one would use a sample of any >other sound effect. > He even goes as far as to have a "goodnight" (or words to that effect) on the end. I know that musically, there is a difference to another son that springs to mind. Teenage Rampage, by The Sweet. William From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jan 27 12:39:17 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:39:17 -0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: Alchemy plain bad? This is one of the best tracks I've heard for ages - HW or otherwise. I see it going into HW history along with SM, Assassins of Allah and Alien (I Am). If you saw the Distant Horizons tour, Alchemy brought the house down. I would have to agree about the rest of the album - not the best in the world(s). Personally, I think they've gone downhill since Ron Tree joined. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: John Majka To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 27 January 1998 15:15 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? >saying, "Thermos of oil, sandwich of steel" etc. And then "Alchemy" by >Jerry Richards and Richard Chadwick is just plain bad, and inappropriate for >a Hawkwind album. The two Ron Tree songs are fun, but I worry that this From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 27 12:13:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:13:38 EDT Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: <199801271622.LAA23804@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > >(regarding BOC) > >I also would like to see a new lp by them, but I donx't expect that much. I > think they have probably lost the motivation to do much new, that is why > they have not put out a new lp in 10 years. They could easily have found > someone to put it out for them. > Having heard a few of the 'new' tunes live, I can tell you that they are high quality material. I'd say Harvest Moon compares favorably with anything post-ST. The reasons for lack of new material [and new discs] are varied. Most bands generally work on some kind of advance from a record company. But record labels don't wnat to spend big bucks on acts that either they or the public might perceive as 'over the hill' or 'not currently popular.' Remember, the last time BOC had a record contract, they were one of the biggest acts in the world. Trouble is, you youngsters have olny known BOC as a wheezer band. It wasn't always the case. To make a record nowadays, they have to take time away from touring--any band's main source of income, and BOC's only source! Making a record is a huge crapshoot. It wouldn't surprise me if BOC doesn't have to pay back CMC for any expenses incurred in making the record [maybe not, I'm not sure] So, in making a record, BOC could lose more than they make, given the absense of bonuses etc. I doubt it's due to a dearth of ideas. Remember too, that the Bouchard brothers could be counted upon in the past to bring new material to the band. Now, BD is BOC's only real songwriting threat, and how many songs do you want him to come up with? Now the band has, more than ever, to rely on outside writers to help, which means fewer composer royalties down the road. Maybe fear of failure and fear of the unknown figure in the equation as well... From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jan 27 14:33:57 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:33:57 -0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: William Duffy has writ: >>> songs lately. Wasn't Paul Rudolph & Alan Powell sacked because of >>this??? >> >> I thought it was funk they were getting into ... >> >I seem to remember Calvert mentioning funk & reggae. I'm pretty sure that the exact words (whether by Brock or Calvert, I'm not certain, but probably the latter) were "...too funky" (of course, in 1977, bad funk = disco, so that would explain the "disco" description). I can't believe that Calvert would've complained about a reggae influence, since he had already recorded "Cricket Star" (flexi) and "Magical Potion" (from 'Lucky Lief...', although maybe that one's more calypso/fake Carribean than actual reggae, ala the Kinks' "Supersonic Rocket Ship" or the Sweet's "Co-Co" & "Poppa Joe" or other stuff like that which was inexplicably popular in England in the early 70s - I love both those bands, but I rather dislike those particular songs). The reggae influence isn't exactly a new thing to Hawkwind, though (even discounting the aforementioned Calvert tracks). There's "The Camera That Could Lie" from 'Electric Teepee', and the "Brainstorm" midsection from 'California Brainstorm'. That having been said, I'm still not real wild about any of that reggae stuff in Hawkwind music or the Capt. Rizz toasting; as a fan of Lee Perry and other spaced-out dub stuff, I guess I'll be rascist (and geographist?) and say that the music should probably be left to ganga-puffin' blacks from Carribean islands, not hash-huffin' whites from North Sea islands. -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Richard Franecki (F/i co-founder) 'Welcome to the Electric Circus' ObHypocrisy: I'm occasionally involved in a band called Billy Jah which consists entirely of white males (except for our occasional toaster, who fulfills our PC-required quotas by being a black butch lesbian) playing tripped-out dub versions of songs by a particularly obnoxious MOR artist (figure it out yourself...). (ok, well, almost - my white female housemate sometimes plays organ & synth when I'm not there) ObSarcasm: didn't 2000DS or some other Ron Tree Band cover "I Shot The Sheriff"? From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jan 27 12:55:05 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:55:05 +0100 Subject: off:[sm] In-Reply-To: <199801271653.SAA03212@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: Hi Miikka At 18:53 27.01.98 +0200, you wrote: >Are there still people who waiting they stuff from sm (4thworld)? Yes, I am waiting (without hope) too :-(( The have received 120 DM (= 40 Pounds) from me. And I've received NOTHING Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 27 13:58:10 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:58:10 EDT Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980127113357.007a2c00@sirius.com> Message-ID: From: Doug Pearson about any of that reggae stuff in Hawkwind music or the Capt. Rizz > toasting; as a fan of Lee Perry and other spaced-out dub stuff, I guess > consists entirely of white males (except for our occasional toaster, who What's a toaster/toasting? From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue Jan 27 15:11:30 1998 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:11:30 -0500 Subject: off:[sm] In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980127185505.007d48a0@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 27, 98 06:55:05 pm Message-ID: i never received my order, luckily i had ordered via credit card and was able to successfully dispute the charge. at any rate, [sm]'s current email address seems to be: sm.mfr at virgin.net with his last posting on 1/17 (per Dejanews) people might be able to complain to his ISP or post on newsgroups where he has, letting folks know he is not reliable. which is probably what i will do now (i had thought that i was the only one still awaiting merchandise and was prepared to let the matter drop, but it seems worthwhile to warn people on the net) best luck, --dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > > > At 18:53 27.01.98 +0200, you wrote: > >Are there still people who waiting they stuff from sm (4thworld)? > > Yes, I am waiting (without hope) too :-(( > The have received 120 DM (= 40 Pounds) from me. And I've received NOTHING > > Bernhard > From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Jan 27 14:36:43 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:36:43 +1100 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: With all of the DH bashing (er...criticism), I though I'd put my (very tired) opinion in. I think it's the best Hawk album since Levitation. And I like it all except the crappy Love in Space (it was a good song for the first three or so versions I heard - I'm a bit tired of it now). Alchemy & Wheels? Bloody fantastic. Clouded Vision - Instant classic. Phetamine & Reptiod - Not bad. Etc... But then again - I also quite like IITBOTFTBD.... - Max Wilcox From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 27 15:35:22 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:35:22 -0500 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: Now Theo, I thought you knew better... The arguments about "no new material" hold little water in my book. BOC has had an album's worth of material for years now. Half the songs on the new album were played in concert between '92 and '95. Hey, I'm a huge fan, and I'll devour the new release when it's here, but I won't sit here and say I think it's o.k. that it took BOC so many years to get this deal done. The band's popularity has dwindled, and their inactivity album-wise is only hurting them. I agree that they have to be careful what kind of deal they make with a record company, but after so long in taking to get it out, I believe this is going to be an album for the long-time hardcore fans only, and that it is highly unlikely that this album will sell millions -- and it stood a better chance of doing so 5 years ago than it does today. But, they may not have Al and Joe for material anymore, but I don't buy the notion that they haven't had enough material for an album until this year - not by a lon (oops LONG) shot. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 27 15:13:12 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:13:12 EDT Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: <199801272035.PAA15453@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Now Theo, I thought you knew better... > > The arguments about "no new material" hold little water in my book. > BOC has had an album's worth of material for years now. Half the > songs on the new album were played in concert between '92 and '95. > Hey, I'm a huge fan, and I'll devour the new release when it's here, > but I won't sit here and say I think it's o.k. that it took BOC so > many years to get this deal done. The band's popularity has > dwindled, and their inactivity album-wise is only hurting them. I This is all true. But really, what do BOC have to gain by a new album? Do any of us think that the new album will propel them to playing bigger gigs? And, I'd suggest that the same arguments I put forth would have held true five years ago. I think, regretably, that the damage had already been done. The time for a new record would have been right after CN or Imaginos. And whether 5 years ago or now, isn't BD still the songwriting source for the band? > agree that they have to be careful what kind of deal they make with > a record company, but after so long in taking to get it out, I > believe this is going to be an album for the long-time hardcore > fans only, and that it is highly unlikely that this album will > sell millions -- and it stood a better chance of doing so 5 years That's a safe bet, so wouldn't the band be thinking: why now? I think this CMC deal is probably the best thing to happen to them. Is it possible that nobody would touch them til now? I don't have an answer, but there must be some reason they waited so long? > ago than it does today. But, they may not have Al and Joe for > material anymore, but I don't buy the notion that they haven't > had enough material for an album until this year - not by a lon > (oops LONG) shot. > > John Fer sure they had the material, what 2 years ago or more. I still think that without a solid backing c.f. CMC, the band stood to loose money on a new record, and that's why we haven't seen one... From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 27 16:19:49 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:19:49 PST Subject: tBS: covers Message-ID: Once upon a time, Theo said.... >But Torgo, I think you need an evaluation! tBS covering Rush? The > only way they'd do it would have to be a send-up of some kind. If > that were the case, then even I'd listen to it... Ok ok, I had my fun but I have to confess. I tossed out 3 ideas for cover tunes, and only 2 of them were totally serious. The truth is I wanted to see if anyone would bite on the RUSH idea, and in fact I decided to toss out probably the LEAST likely RUSH song for anyone to cover. Knew you guys were probably itching to slap RUSH around some more. All in fun, all in fun. ;^) But all kidding aside, I think tBS are a talented enough band that they could really do a song by *almost* anyone and put a twist on it and make it a tBS song. These are my fave types of covers anyway, I love it when bands take songs from other music styles even and do a complete re-work of it and make it their own. Someone mentioned more Robert Johnson covers? How about tBS covering "Hellhound on my trail" or maybe a totally wild & rokcing version of Johnson's "They're red hot"? Killer stuff by anyone!! I'm outta here....... 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Tee hee When I was in high school, that's what some of my mates called me! Not for the actual plant though (which I'm sure they knew nothing about) > --------------------------------------------------------- > Excerpted from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia > Copyright c 1994, 1995 Compton's NewMedia, Inc. > -------------------------------------------- > > or from the equally crap dictionary, this entry: > -------------------------------------------- > > hawk weed (hok wed ) n. any of a genus (Hieracium ) of plants of the > composite family, usually with conspicuous basal leaves and stalked > clusters of heads with yellow or scarlet ray flowers, including devil's > paintbrush > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Excerpted from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia > Copyright c 1994, 1995 Compton's NewMedia, Inc. > -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jan 27 16:32:52 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:32:52 -0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" , assuming that this is alt.music.space-reggae.faq-l (sorry, just kiddin'!), posed the question: >From: Doug Pearson >> about any of that reggae stuff in Hawkwind music or the Capt. Rizz >> toasting; as a fan of Lee Perry and other spaced-out dub stuff, I guess [...] >> consists entirely of white males (except for our occasional toaster, who > >What's a toaster/toasting? It's a reggae-specific term for a non-singing form of vocalizing. If you've heard the stuff that Captain Rizz has done with Hawkwind (like at Strange Daze) - that's toasting. It has somewhat of a preaching/speach-giving quality to it (which makes sense, since reggae is the music of the Rastafarian religion) ... I guess if you can imagine Robert Tilton or Jimmy Swaggart or as an afro-carribean man stoned off his gourd on high-grade ganja while spouting off about "JAH ... RAStafari!" instead of "PraiseTheLawd Halleyloo-yuh!" you have a pretty good idea of what a toaster does. Perhaps one of the OED readers on the list can provide an etymology? I assume that the term is derived from "toast" as in "let's drink to the coolest list on the Internet", but I could be wrong ... Hope that helps! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jan 27 16:49:07 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:49:07 +0100 Subject: Hawkweed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08:22 28.01.98 +1000, Sonique wrote: Hawkweed: >> troublesome weed in some >> places; an old superstition stated that hawks used the sap to sharpen their >> eyesight. > >Tee hee > >When I was in high school, that's what some of my mates called me! Not for >the actual plant though (which I'm sure they knew nothing about) One can only specualate why? This australian guy at work tells me all these troublesome weeds grow freely for consumption down under. Were you a sharpsighted sap? A weedy, hawking young fellow with an unhealthy obsession with the Hawks? :) Christian From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Jan 27 17:32:52 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:32:52 EST Subject: off:[sm] Message-ID: In a message dated 98-01-27 14:42:39 EST, you write: << >Are there still people who waiting they stuff from sm (4thworld)? >> yes...mike coleman ordered a bunch of stuff .... with no luck... From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jan 27 20:22:37 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:22:37 +1100 Subject: HW:HLL Message-ID: At 17:17 27/01/98 +0200, Miikka Wagner wrote: >Hi! > >Receive today new Huw Lloyd Langton album call On the Move. It?s pure Huw, >if you like his other solos, you will like this too. Couple old songs like >Got You Number and Outside The Law, but these are also new played. > >Miikka Wagner > DETAILS! DETAILS! How do we distant outlanders get copies? Troy >email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi >http://www.sci.fi/~micci >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. >(WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > -SPACEHEAD- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Jan 27 20:20:47 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:20:47 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: Reply to message from flossbac at WCIC.ORG of Tue, 27 Jan > >that the best songs on Distant Horizons are by Ron Tree, and Dave's songs >are some of the ones I could have done without! I suppose Dave has been I would have to suppose that this is a matter of taste. You obviously like the stronger, harder tracks. >songs on Distant Horizons, let's see.... "Waimea Canyon Drive"--YUCK. >"Clouded Vision"--YUCK. "Population Overload"--YUCK. And the last >instrumental bits at the end of the album are really just filler (and >besides we've all heard Love in Space on the album of that title and the EP >of that title, do we really need to waste album space rehashing it again?). I have to adamantly disagree right here and now! These happen to be my more favorite tracks. I tend to go for the softer, more synthy sounds at this point in time, but who knows, by next week I'll have Space Ritual in the cd player. It's all a matter of what you are into at any particular time. Lost in space, Duane From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jan 27 20:26:24 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:26:24 +1100 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: At 23:41 27/01/98 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >>it, and I feel like I could do without Captain Rizz or whoever that is >doing >>the reggae vocal bit. OK I guess I've ranted enough... Hawkwind are still >>great. > Funny how things are....I actually like the Capt. Rizz bit and the title track. >I was rather disappointed with Distant Horizons as well. > I think it is not much chop either...new composition approach is needed and a real full-time key player as well....I wish Phetamine Street did more rockin' and less stoppin'. It would be a ripper then. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jan 27 21:52:14 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:52:14 +1000 Subject: Hawkweed? Message-ID: On 27 Jan 98 at 22:49, c mumford wrote: > At 08:22 28.01.98 +1000, Sonique wrote: > > Hawkweed: > >When I was in high school, that's what some of my mates called me! Not for > >the actual plant though (which I'm sure they knew nothing about) > > One can only specualate why? This australian guy at work tells me all these > troublesome weeds grow freely for consumption down under. Were you a > sharpsighted sap? A weedy, hawking young fellow with an unhealthy obsession > with the Hawks? :) The last is closest ;^) Sonique From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jan 27 22:33:38 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:38 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > With all of the DH bashing (er...criticism), I though I'd put my > (very tired) opinion in. I think it's the best Hawk album since Levitation. And > I like it all except the crappy Love in Space (it was a good song for the first > three or so versions I heard - I'm a bit tired of it now). > Alchemy & Wheels? Bloody fantastic. > Clouded Vision - Instant classic. > Phetamine & Reptiod - Not bad. > Etc... > But then again - I also quite like IITBOTFTBD.... > > - Max Wilcox um... WHAT love in space..? seems i remember some discussion about this track, but dont remember the facts. my disc lists this song, but its not on there? rj From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jan 28 01:24:26 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:24:26 +0100 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <34CEA712.4C524830@blackboard.com> Message-ID: At 22:33 27.01.98 -0500, you wrote: >Max Wilcox wrote: > >> With all of the DH bashing (er...criticism), I though I'd put my >> (very tired) opinion in. I think it's the best Hawk album since Levitation. And >> I like it all except the crappy Love in Space (it was a good song for the first >> three or so versions I heard - I'm a bit tired of it now). >> Alchemy & Wheels? Bloody fantastic. >> Clouded Vision - Instant classic. >> Phetamine & Reptiod - Not bad. >> Etc... >> But then again - I also quite like IITBOTFTBD.... >> >> - Max Wilcox > >um... WHAT love in space..? seems i remember some discussion about this track, >but dont remember the facts. my disc lists this song, but its not on there? >rj rj, why, you must be the lucky winner! I wish the Hawks had personally spared me this tune yet yet ANOTHER time... Take a closer listen, unless I haven driven it from my mind, this version thankfully has no lyrics (IMO a better versionm of this trite tune)... Anyway, tunes that I like (in varying degrees) on the disc are: Distant Horizons Phetamine Street Alchemy Clouded Vision Reptoid Vision Wheels Now, the problem here is that it's so patchy. THe other stuff is garbage IMO. Constant it for a for of weeks and then I haven't spun it for over a month or two!!! I keep putting on 1999 Party constantly however..... Christian From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Jan 28 02:39:18 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:39:18 -0700 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <34CE3748.D03BE022@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: > And I like it all except the crappy Love in Space (it was a good song for > the first > three or so versions I heard - I'm a bit tired of it now). > - Max Wilcox On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I like quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). Kevin Sommers From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 28 03:19:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:19:43 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: On ons 28 jan 1998 00.39 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I like > quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has > quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). Really? Damn. That gives me a reason to buy it :/ Are there any other exclusive tracks on _AA_? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jan 28 04:45:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:45:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Man at the 1999 Party Message-ID: Finally got hold of the Man _1999 Party_ album! Even though the cover says "Live in Chicago, April 1974", the sleeve notes say it was recorded on March 21 - so it's the same show as the Hawkwind one. It's just about exactly an hour long, not bad for a support I guess. Good sound, and if you like Man at all then it's one to get. And you can play this and then the HW record to recreate the total concert experience! (Of course, for total authenticity that might mean going to the pub while this is on and then coming back and skipping the first couple of minutes of "Brainbox Pollution" :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Wed Jan 28 05:45:13 1998 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:13 +0200 Subject: OFF:Kingston Wall In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:53:02 +0200." <199801271653.SAA03178@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: About Kingston Wall re-releases: Miikka's message dated: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:53:02 +0200 > > Next month. > Those extra songs is b-sides and live recordings! This is great news indeed. I saw them a couple of times live before they had made any albums and they were just amazing. Hopefully these are distributed widely enough for them to get the fame they deserve. //niko From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 27 12:27:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:27:32 +0000 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: <199801271419.OAA08541@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199801271419.OAA08541 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >Someone should save these posts about Chumbawamba. The great anti-music-biz >anarchists are now grouped with the Spice Girls! They should never have >signed to EMI. > >Dave. They should have never hung around other people's gigs harangining other people's audiences about signing to EMI either. "Only stupid bastards sign to EMI" - Chumbawumba The Spice Girls are more "real" than they are. -- Jon Browne From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 28 08:32:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:32:18 -0500 Subject: tBS Cover Tally, thus far/ Y&T, Endangered Species In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Ted A.>Hey TPFKALAB ;-) >Did you get 'Endangered Species' yet? > >Sadly no. I know a guy from the King's X and Galactic Cowboys list that >runs a real nice Y&T website. He has an import copy but tells me he has >no clue when ES hits the US. Was supposed to be January, but hasn't >happened. Worst yet Musically Incorrect is now out of print in the US. >I got this one as an import. The heaviest, most attitude laden Y&T >ever. It smokes. If you don't have it you'll have to get an import >copy now. > >I know John said no Y&T covers :-) but its a Long Way Down from MI would >rule. > I got ES a couple weeks ago at a record show in Balto......I like it better than MI......and there's still copies of MI floating around up in this area, domestic that is.....saw the MF Agents of Fortune disc too finally.....but $30 and the booklet was mangled...so I skipped it....now we just have to wait for BOC's "Album to be named later".. the new Ty Tabor stuff with the guys from Dream Theater, Doug Pinnick's solo album and new King's X..... From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jan 28 08:39:22 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:39:22 +1100 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: At 16:13 27/01/98 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >> From: John A Swartz > >> Now Theo, I thought you knew better... >> >> The arguments about "no new material" hold little water in my book. >> BOC has had an album's worth of material for years now. Half the >> songs on the new album were played in concert between '92 and '95. >> Hey, I'm a huge fan, and I'll devour the new release when it's here, >> but I won't sit here and say I think it's o.k. that it took BOC so >> many years to get this deal done. The band's popularity has >> dwindled, and their inactivity album-wise is only hurting them. I > >This is all true. But really, what do BOC have to gain by a new >album? Do any of us think that the new album will propel them to >playing bigger gigs? And, I'd suggest that the same arguments I put >forth would have held true five years ago. I think, regretably, that >the damage had already been done. The time for a new record would >have been right after CN or Imaginos. And whether 5 years ago or >now, isn't BD still the songwriting source for the band? Hey ERic can write ditties when he wants to...as can A.L..........remember such numbers as "Veteran" and "Feel the Thunder"? Not to mention some others too...give them a break! Have some faith in old people..... Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 28 07:54:51 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:54:51 EDT Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' In-Reply-To: <199801281339.AAA25187@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: > From: Troy Harris >This is all true. But really, what do BOC have to gain by a new > >album? Do any of us think that the new album will propel them to > >playing bigger gigs? And, I'd suggest that the same arguments I put > >forth would have held true five years ago. I think, regretably, that > >the damage had already been done. The time for a new record would > >have been right after CN or Imaginos. And whether 5 years ago or > >now, isn't BD still the songwriting source for the band? > > Hey ERic can write ditties when he wants to...as can A.L..........remember > such numbers as "Veteran" and "Feel the Thunder"? Not to mention some > others too...give them a break! Have some faith in old people..... > > Troy Troy, I wasn't meaning to demean EB or AL in any way. Believe me, man, nothing would please me more than to see those 2 churning out tune after tune. But after AoF, EB's songwriting tailed off significantly, and AL never wrote too many songs. I was never trying to bash EB, I just don't understand the creative funk he's been in lately. I wouldn't even care if EB didn't write new songs if he could just get back his old stage persona... From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Jan 28 09:00:08 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:00:08 -0700 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <155220.3094964383@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > On ons 28 jan 1998 00.39 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" > wrote: > > On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I > like > > quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has > > quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). > > Really? Damn. That gives me a reason to buy it :/ Are there any > other exclusive tracks on _AA_? > > -- Nope. Kevin Sommers From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 28 09:04:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:04:04 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: c mumford wrote: > >um... WHAT love in space..? seems i remember some discussion about this > track, > >but dont remember the facts. my disc lists this song, but its not on there? > >rj > > rj, why, you must be the lucky winner! I wish the Hawks had personally > spared me this tune yet yet ANOTHER time... > > Take a closer listen, unless I haven driven it from my mind, this version > thankfully has no lyrics (IMO a better versionm of this trite tune)... ok. now you've done it. ya made me listen to this embarrassment again. yer right its there. i must have been distracted at that point, to have missed it. i NEVER thot i'd say this.... but (just my opinion) this album SUCKS. it of course has some good parts, but i doubt it's gonna make any new fans. the best stuff is ron's. i guess the rest of it is ok, taken for what it is, but it does not hold a candle to Any previous material that i can think of. all and all, _i_ think this is the WORST studio album HW has ever done. again, this is only the opinion of a guy who just shelled out 25 dollars which he could not afford, for an album which will see very little of the cd player. =( rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 28 09:27:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:27:15 -0500 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: >This is all true. But really, what do BOC have to gain by a new album? Do any of us think that the new album will propel them to playing bigger gigs? And, I'd suggest that the same arguments I put forth would have held true five years ago. I think, regretably, that the damage had already been done. The time for a new record would have been right after CN or Imaginos. And whether 5 years ago or now, isn't BD still the songwriting source for the band? To me, it isn't what BOC has to gain by putting out an ablum, it's what they have to LOSE by not putting out an album. And, unfortunately, I think they have lost quite a bit over the last few years, in terms of fans and name recognition. The presumed Atlantic deal that fell through 3 or 4 years ago now could have been good, but, in my way of thinking, BOC should have said, "well, we gotta get some new material out, so if we can't land a good deal now with someone else, then we should do it ourselves". The damage had already been done, as you say, but the bleeding continues - and while it can't be stopped, it could have been reduced much more a few years back. As for BD being the songwriting source still, I agree - my point is that the band had enough material for an album years ago, regardless of who the songwriter is. Therefore, I don't think we can make the argument that lack of material has anything to do with a '98 vs. a '94 album release. >That's a safe bet, so wouldn't the band be thinking: why now? I think this CMC deal is probably the best thing to happen to them. Is it possible that nobody would touch them til now? I don't have an answer, but there must be some reason they waited so long? I DO think the CMC deal is a great thing for them - the Atlantic deal 4 years ago would probably have been much better, but the CMC deal now is probably than the SVP deal a year ago. However, my belief is that they've waited so long because they weren't willing to take any risks on a deal - they wanted a reasonably sweet financial deal on an album, rather than take risks doing some sort of indie release. I understand that, but the problem is as I had pointed out -- this band has been dwindling in popularity over the years, and at some point if the deal isn't happening, my feeling is they've got to say "fuck it, let's get an album out while we still have some fans to hear it". Based on the way their career has been going, I think they are somewhat lucky to have gotten this deal with CMC, because it was certainly looking like no-one in the recording biz was too interested in BOC - at least not anyone that the band was interested in. Granted, I don't have the real answer either - I'm supposing a lot of things here. Bottom line is I'm very happy that the new album appears to be imminent, and based on what I know, should contain lots of excellent music. Personally, I'm a bit dissapointed that I had to wait so long (although once I finally have it, I'll quickly forget about that), and will always wonder if BOC's fortunes would have been different had this album been released in '94 and not '98 (yeah, 20-20 hindsight, I know). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 28 09:33:50 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: (A little) OFF: My 'State of the Art' Message-ID: > Hey ERic can write ditties when he wants to...as can A.L..........remember such numbers as "Veteran" and "Feel the Thunder"? Not to mention some others too...give them a break! Have some faith in old people..... Hey, Buck's old too! ;-) This reminds me - about 2 years ago, Eric had mentioned that Allen was getting back into writing. I don't think he has any songwriting input on the upcoming CD, but yes, as you say, he can write some too. Also, I understand Danny has written a few tunes in his day, none of which will be on the CD either. John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 28 09:25:55 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:25:55 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: > With all of the DH bashing (er...criticism), I though I'd put my >(very tired) opinion in. I think it's the best Hawk album since Levitation. And >I like it all except the crappy Love in Space (it was a good song for the first >three or so versions I heard - I'm a bit tired of it now). I rather like the instrumental stuff on the album. The only ones with lyrics that I like, however, are Reptoid Vision and Population Overload (which has an interesting mixture of quite a few musical genres). I also think the reggae works more in the Hawkwind style on this album, as opposed to previous recordings. I still don't like Love in Space, though. The only bit that I like is the fast bit in the middle, but it's been used before? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 28 09:32:18 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:32:18 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: >>songs on Distant Horizons, let's see.... "Waimea Canyon Drive"--YUCK. >>"Clouded Vision"--YUCK. "Population Overload"--YUCK. And the last >>instrumental bits at the end of the album are really just filler (and >>besides we've all heard Love in Space on the album of that title and the EP >>of that title, do we really need to waste album space rehashing it again?). > Me again I find that, on the whole, the second half of the album, from around Reptoid Vision onwards, is better than the first half. I don't like Phetamine Street (doesn't really go anywhere), Clouded Vision (seems unfinished), and Alchemy (could quite easily be confused with Black Sabbath). Anyway, just a few thoughts. Then again, it took a while for me to like Doremi Fasol Latido. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 28 09:43:25 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:43:25 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: >um... WHAT love in space..? seems i remember some discussion about this track, >but dont remember the facts. my disc lists this song, but its not on there? > Curious. It's the last track on the album, and it's there (instrumental version). Maybe there has been a mistake made with some pressings? William From micci at SCI.FI Wed Jan 28 10:16:37 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:16:37 +0200 Subject: HW:HLL Message-ID: Hi! >>>From where may I get this CD? I got mine from CD Services 40/42 brantwood avenue, dundee dd3 6ew fax. (+44) 01382 736702 > How much money etc.? about 11,99? + p&p Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 28 11:23:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:23:27 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: --On ons 28 jan 1998 07.00 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: >> > On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I >> like >> > quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has >> > quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). >> >> Really? Damn. That gives me a reason to buy it :/ Are there any >> other exclusive tracks on _AA_? >> > Nope. Damn .... ObCD: Kingston Wall, _III: Trilogy_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From micci at SCI.FI Wed Jan 28 12:02:46 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:46 +0200 Subject: off:[sm] Message-ID: > > at any rate, [sm]'s current email address seems to be: > > sm.mfr at virgin.net > > with his last posting on 1/17 (per Dejanews) Well, I think that we should bomb his email-box > > people might be able to complain to his ISP or post > on newsgroups where he has, letting folks know he is not > reliable. which is probably what i will do now (i had thought > that i was the only one still awaiting merchandise and > was prepared to let the matter drop, but it seems worthwhile > to warn people on the net) > I agree. >> Yes, I am waiting (without hope) too :-(( >> The have received 120 DM (= 40 Pounds) from me. And I've received NOTHING >> >> Bernhard >> I actually receive some of stuff, but they are still debt to me 27? Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 28 13:33:49 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:33:49 -0500 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke Message-ID: Lets start with this guy... Torgo>Ok ok, I had my fun but I have to confess. I tossed out 3 ideas for cover tunes, and only 2 of them were totally serious. The truth is I wanted to see if anyone would bite on the RUSH idea, and in fact I decided to toss out probably the LEAST likely RUSH song for anyone to cover. Oooo you are so bad. I knew something was fishy here; I do agree tBS could cover just about anything and trep it to their style. John S.> Now Theo, I thought you knew better... Theo> But really, what do BOC have to gain by a new album? Ah a great debate. I think you are both right, only BOC could be this dazed and confused. The material has been there for a while. How good ALL of the material is, well we'll know Mar. 24th (hopefully). A drawback to your argument here Theo is that Eic can write some pretty good songs too and he's still in the band. Its not just Buck. I do agree with Theo about finances, whats the point? If you have to use your own money to make and distribute it and it dosen't sell enough to break even...well lets hope Buck didn't take out a second mortgage to do this. I think the money was a big obstacle. A lot of groups sold out arenas and stadiums in the 70's-80's but how much money did they actually take into their own pockets? I've heard stories that 20,000 screaming fans didn't translate into mega dollars for many bands. One last thing about this, bands don't us fans jack shit except a professional performance when you pay your money to see them. So BOC has not produced a new album since we were all kids. Yeah it hurts but they have absolutely no obligation to provide us one simply becuase we want it. Outta here Ghost In The Ruins "Well I can see we won't be settling this over eggnog, but here's something we can all agree on, its time to go caroling." - 4 Legged Man From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jan 28 15:29:53 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:29:53 -0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: sprawl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 28 January 1998 14:08 Subject: Re: Dave Brock coasting? >ok. now you've done it. ya made me listen to this embarrassment again. yer right >its there. i must have been distracted at that point, to have missed it. i NEVER >thot i'd say this.... but (just my opinion) this album SUCKS. it of course has >some good parts, but i doubt it's gonna make any new fans. the best stuff is >ron's. i guess the rest of it is ok, taken for what it is, but it >does not hold a candle to Any previous material that i can think of. all and all, >_i_ think this is the WORST studio album HW has ever done. > Is it just me or does DH sound like a `bits and pieces` album? Like Out and Intakes but disguised as a new album. It seems to lack an overall identity. Si ----- The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 28 16:56:46 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:56:46 -0500 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke Message-ID: >I do agree with Theo about finances, whats the point? If you have to use your own money to make and distribute it and it dosen't sell enough to break even...well lets hope Buck didn't take out a second mortgage to do this. Yeah, I forgot to mention finances. Sure, doing it yourself is no guarantee of financial success, but I seriously doubt that BOC is gonna go into debt getting a decent recording that can be pressed to a CD. As for selling it, I still think that they would have done better to have pressed a few thousand copies for starters and sold them at shows. They would have easily recouped their initial costs in this way (I think). How much money do they make if they never release the album at all? A simpler analysis, IMHO. Now, factor in the royalties from other BOC album sales (including the new Gold AOF, and the possible upcoming KBFH release) that would *increase* as a result of the new album (you know, keep the current fans happy so they continue to support BOC, and maybe win over some new fans that go out and buy some of those BOC albums that they don't have). My point in all of this is that this band needs to do what it can to reach out to its current fans before they dwindle further, and reach out to potential new fans while they have still some shred of name recognition -- and every day that goes by reduces that for this band. O.K., I've blathered on for more than enough about this. I'll shutup now. John From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 28 18:44:34 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:44:34 -0700 Subject: BOC: CA Reviews In-Reply-To: <199801282156.QAA20343@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: 1/23 Santa Barbara 1/24 Redondo Beach 1/26 Bakersfield 1/27 San Juan Capistrano BOC People; Just got back from 4 BOC shows out in CA, and it was great!!!!! Buck has been exploring and changing solos to many standards, and you will not be dissapointed. Eric's voice sounds 80-90% better than in recent years. He sang, and quite well, Flaming Telepaths, OD'ed On Life Itself, ETI, and a newer, funkier version of See You In Black. An update on equipment; Buck now uses a black Epiphone Les Paul during See You In Black. Bobby beat the shit out of his kit. And Danny; the guy, believe it or not, has even gotten better!!!!!!! Dominance & Submission is back in the set!!!!! Eric confirms the album will be out 3/24/98. Tentatively called Heaven Forbid, with the first single to be a love ballad to be called " GOSH, GEE", where Buck is featured playing a mandolin. I am dead tired right now, and said to myself I'll NEVER do this again. But hey, it's only rock and roll............Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jan 28 18:46:03 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:46:03 -0700 Subject: MOre West Coast dates... In-Reply-To: <199801282156.QAA20343@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Just added to BOC's west coast tour..... 2/03 Concord, CA 2/04 Palo Alto, CA The Edge God bless.....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 28 19:39:04 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:39:04 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: On ons 28 jan 1998 20.29 +0000 "Si Halley" wrote: > Is it just me or does DH sound like a `bits and pieces` album? Like Out and > Intakes but disguised as a new album. It seems to lack an overall identity. Quite. I believe originally there was supposed to be a concept behind this album, but I think it got lost along the way. I recall mumblings that "Reptoid Vision" was supposed to be linked into the original concept. ObCD: Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 28 19:42:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:42:16 +0000 Subject: BOC: CA Reviews Message-ID: On ons 28 jan 1998 16.44 -0700 "jean l delacour" wrote: > An update on equipment; Buck now > uses a black Epiphone Les Paul during See You In Black. Can only be a good sign ... > Eric confirms the album will be out 3/24/98. Not holding my breath .... ;) ObBand: Misdemeanor, fr?n Stockholm!! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Wed Jan 28 20:19:59 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:19:59 -0800 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke In-Reply-To: <199801282156.QAA20343@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > As for selling it, I still think that they would have done better to > have pressed a few thousand copies for starters and sold them at shows. > > John That sounds like something a small band would do as it's getting started; But as we all know, BOC is a Megalithic icon of the 70's, and that would tarnish their image. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Wed Jan 28 20:23:34 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:23:34 -0800 Subject: BOC: old, short men Message-ID: I invited a friend of mine to the BOC show in Seattle, this was his reply. I found it rather amusing. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: BOC: Agents Gold CD (fwd) i'm not interested in seeing a group of old, short men dance around trying in vain to expouse the melodies that at one time made them relatively famous. what have you been doing lately you frapping dope mooch... me; i'm still alive, not sure how or why. viva la ned From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Jan 28 22:31:58 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:31:58 -0700 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <01bd2c2b$7d818ce0$LocalHost@pc> Message-ID: Harry the Hypothetical Hawkfan says: "The next album had better be completely new, fresh and original. And it has to sound exactly like 'Doremi Fasol Latido,' or it won't be worth a crap!" From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 28 22:44:09 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:44:09 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: willy the would-be wind-head says: i dont care if it's crap! i love it just cos it has the name hawkwind on it! rj PS....... ;) From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 28 22:47:19 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:47:19 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: (quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever did, but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." rj Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On ons 28 jan 1998 20.29 +0000 "Si Halley" wrote: > > > Is it just me or does DH sound like a `bits and pieces` album? Like Out > and > > Intakes but disguised as a new album. It seems to lack an overall > identity. > > Quite. I believe originally there was supposed to be a concept > behind this album, but I think it got lost along the way. I recall > mumblings that "Reptoid Vision" was supposed to be linked into the > original concept. > > ObCD: Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jan 28 22:50:42 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:50:42 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > Curious. It's the last track on the album, and it's there (instrumental > version). > > Maybe there has been a mistake made with some pressings? > > William no, you missed my last (unintentionally scathing) post. its there, i simply missed it. just a note about the negativity.... i believe i may be a bit more judgemental about it than is warranted. i think my disappointment in the album is linked strongly to the fact that i went beyond my means to get it. rj From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jan 28 23:57:35 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:57:35 +1100 Subject: BOC: CA Reviews Message-ID: At 16:44 28/01/98 -0700, jean l delacour wrote: > > > Eric confirms the album will be out 3/24/98. Tentatively called >Heaven Forbid, with the first single to be a love ballad to be called >" GOSH, GEE", where Buck is featured playing a mandolin. > You have GOT to be joking, right? The album title sounds like it should be for Black Sabbath, and the song like Spice Girls... I think not......I hope not Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jan 29 01:26:44 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:26:44 +0100 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <34CFFBC6.72AA006A@blackboard.com> Message-ID: At 22:47 28.01.98 -0500, you wrote: >(quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever >did, >but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." > >rj Certainly, being in 1998 last summer, he must have been pretty hard pressed for time. My mom bakes better albums than Hawkwind 1997. Well, hypothetically speaking of course since she doesen't bake. Christian >Carl E. Anderson wrote: > >> On ons 28 jan 1998 20.29 +0000 "Si Halley" wrote: >> >> > Is it just me or does DH sound like a `bits and pieces` album? Like Out >> and >> > Intakes but disguised as a new album. It seems to lack an overall >> identity. >> >> Quite. I believe originally there was supposed to be a concept >> behind this album, but I think it got lost along the way. I recall >> mumblings that "Reptoid Vision" was supposed to be linked into the >> original concept. >> >> ObCD: Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age >> >> -- >> Carl Edlund Anderson >> Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >> St. John's College, University of Cambridge >> mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >> http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > > From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 02:07:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:07:04 -0500 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: c mumford wrote: > At 22:47 28.01.98 -0500, you wrote: > >(quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever > >did, > >but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." > > > >rj > > Certainly, being in 1998 last summer, he must have been pretty hard pressed > for time. sharp eye there mr m. you can see what's been on MY mind lately! lol, rj From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Jan 29 04:16:28 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:16:28 EST Subject: BOC: San Francisco 1/29/98 Message-ID: (posted to AOL) Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss, a Redcap E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie OD'd on Life Itself The Vigil Live For Me Flaming Telepaths I'd Like to See You in Black Then Came the Last Days of May In Thee Burnin' for You Godzilla (Don't Fear) the Reaper Cities On Flame with Rock and Roll Dominance and Submission Sizeable and enthusiastic crowd (Slim's is about 800 capacity(?) and had little room to navigate), Eric's announcement of the album's release date got a big roar. Sound was okay, wished Buck was louder in the mix but I usually do. Not a loud show as they go, although I've been in the front row the last four or five times I've seen them, and hung back tonight. Seemed to get louder towards the end of the evening. First couple of songs were so-so sound and not loud enough, Danny was clearly having some difficulties (monitor?) during "Stairway" but they seemed to get sorted out. Eric's intro to "Harvest Moon" didn't seem to get much recognition from the crowd (it might have in front) but the song itself went over big. It seems the last verse has evolved over the last couple of years, or else BD scrambled the lyrics, I suspect the former. I seem to remember that Allen used to play keyboards on "I'd Like to See You"...?? He's on guitar now, don't know when that changed (or if I'd just forgotten). The licks that Buck played before the song kicked into high gear were sweet, and the split-second of silence (save for the high- hat) at the end of the solo always kills me. "Live For Me" is such a good song; first time I'd heard it and I saw why so many people have praised it so highly. Fine, fine song, can't wait to hear the album version. "Last Days of May" disappointed me a little early in the solo -- the part where it is still slow seemed very short, and I always love the melody in that part of the solo. Then it sped up and I forgot all about being disappointed, since it was a remarkably good solo even by the shockingly high standards he has set for himself in this song. Pole-axed the crowd. "The Vigil" was fun to hear live; I was surprised by the drum thing Bobby R. was doing in it, kind of a double tom-tom hit that gave the song a kinda samba flavor or something...or whatever that rhythm is...that makes it sound bizarre and it wasn't, just unexpected. The Big Three were back huddling; what God has joined together...Danny's bass solo in "Godzilla" was powerful and tasteful. If I was asked I'd say the stick-twirling that erupted in "DFtR" should happen in another song. Maybe it does, but it's distracting in this one. "In Thee" also surprised me with how enthusiastic a reception it got, very good sound on that. The encore isn't my favorite position for "CoF", almost seem kinda redundant by that point. "D&S" was smoking. The house didn't bring up the lights (or music) right away after the final song, which is annoying...I mean if the band isn't going to come out...not that I was expecting them to, I've never seen 'em do that at Slim's, the encore is the encore and that's fair enough. The crowd tonight seemed to get more into the music as the night progressed, which is nice. At some shows you can tell people have had it an hour in, they're ready to split (not referring to BOC here, just rock and roll in general). I wonder if audiences at some previous shows were shocked at hearing "Burnin' for You" so early in the set...I know I would have been; some people were probably thinking "Damn, they're only playing seventy minutes?". Can't wait for Palo Alto next week! -Chris Baker From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 28 12:21:05 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:21:05 +0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? In-Reply-To: <34CF3AD4.6075CEBE@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34CF3AD4.6075CEBE at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >ok. now you've done it. ya made me listen to this embarrassment again. yer right >its there. i must have been distracted at that point, to have missed it. i >NEVER >thot i'd say this.... but (just my opinion) this album SUCKS. it of course has >some good parts, but i doubt it's gonna make any new fans. the best stuff is >ron's. i guess the rest of it is ok, taken for what it is, but it >does not hold a candle to Any previous material that i can think of. all and >all, >_i_ think this is the WORST studio album HW has ever done. It is the business...? Space Bandits....? Alien 4....? Hell, I like *these* albums, I think DH is a fine addition to the canon. But no, it's not as good as say the _Doremi_ remaster or Alan's Captured Rotation but if you didn't have it, you'd still need it. :) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 28 12:22:58 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:22:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Man at the 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <01BD2BD1.9E2F4860.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD2BD1.9E2F4860.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >(Of course, for total authenticity that might mean going to the pub while >this is on and then coming back and skipping the first couple of minutes of >"Brainbox Pollution" :) > >-Andy *LOL* -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 29 05:32:49 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:32:49 -0000 Subject: BOC: Soundtrack covers Message-ID: Department of more money than sense, I guess, but they were both quite cheap, so I got the soundtrack albums for "The Frighteners" and "I Know What You Did Last Summer", which feature (respectively) The Mutton Birds doing "Don't Fear the Reaper" and L7 doing "This Ain't the Summer of Love". The Mutton Birds are a good band, and no BOC fan need be offended by their version. My first thought was it's perhaps a bit too faithful to the original, but their own personality does come through in the instrumental passages, which are really very good, with some understated effects work, indistinct samples and stuff. A version worth having, but perhaps not worth buying the whole album for! Generally a nice updating, if a little but "clean" throughout. L7, on the other hand, do what is basically a grunge version (remember grunge?), which is funny, but I'm not sure how "worthwhile" it is as an exercise! Bit heavy on the bass drum, thud-thud-thud. At one point the vocals reminded me of someone but I couldn't think who, and then I realised they reminded me of Deborah :) What I've listened to of the rest of the album is pretty crappy though. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jan 29 05:41:23 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:41:23 PST Subject: BOC: old, short men Message-ID: Peter William Worley (inhaler at u.washington.edu) forwarded this message ---------- >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) >Subject: Re: BOC: Agents Gold CD (fwd) > > i'm not interested in seeing a group of old, short men dance >around trying in vain to expouse the melodies that at one time made them >relatively famous. > what have you been doing lately you frapping dope mooch... > > me; i'm still alive, not sure how or why. > > viva la ned > Post your friend's address and let us _flame_ him chargrill style!!(LOL):^> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 29 06:01:56 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:01:56 -0000 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: On Thursday, January 29, 1998 6:27 AM, c mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > > My mom bakes better albums than Hawkwind 1997. Well, hypothetically > speaking of course since she doesen't bake. I bet she baked some hash cakes in '77 :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Jan 29 07:40:03 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:40:03 +0200 Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: Hi Hawkollectors, I found two brand new "California Brainstorm" (Cyclops) + "Illustrated Collectors Guide to HW" to sell/trade. They 've never been listened. Again, found the infamous "Urban Guerilla" in collection "Les Genies du Rock" from Editions Atlas; this rare (?) monthly edition from the 80's is the usual attempt to sell "Bring me the head of Y.G.", but hard to find except in France. Also to sell, or trade. Olivier ________________________Olivier Boigey________________________ 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 - Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 - e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 29 06:59:14 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:59:14 EDT Subject: MOre West Coast dates... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Just added to BOC's west coast tour..... 2/03 Concord, CA > 2/04 Palo Alto, CA The Edge > > God bless.....Manuel > So, you going, Manuel? And where are reviews of the tour so far?! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 29 07:00:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:00:29 EDT Subject: BOC: CA Reviews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > > BOC People; > > Just got back from 4 BOC shows out in CA, and it was great!!!!! > Buck has been exploring and changing solos to many standards, and you > will not be dissapointed. > Disregard my previous post. My mail's filtered backwards. Apologies to Manuel, always an excellent reviewer! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 29 07:03:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:03:38 EDT Subject: BOC: CA Reviews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: jean l delacour > > Eric's voice sounds 80-90% better than in recent years. He sang, and > quite well, Flaming Telepaths, OD'ed On Life Itself, ETI, and a newer, > funkier version of See You In Black. An update on equipment; Buck now Well, that's sure good news. I thought maybe he was turning the corner, last summer. Now if those guys would hit the east coast for a few. Guess they'll wait til spring? > uses a black Epiphone Les Paul during See You In Black. Bobby beat the > shit out of his kit. And Danny; the guy, believe it or not, has even > gotten better!!!!!!! Dominance & Submission is back in the set!!!!! > Hard to imagine DM being much better, 'cause that dude rules on the 4 string. They did D&S last time I saw them. Glad it's back big time... From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 09:18:19 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:19 -0500 Subject: HW: DH...was: D.B. coast? Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > It is the business...? > Space Bandits....? > Alien 4....? i think _any_ one of these albums is worth _2_ DH's. plus, i'd group CR (see below)right with these. i love these albums. > Hell, I like *these* albums, I think DH is a fine addition to the canon. i was a little hard on it. but ya gotta understand.... up to now i really had never heard _anything_ from HW that i didnt like. (save for the odd bad recording quality) > But no, it's not as good as say the _Doremi_ remaster or Alan's Captured > Rotation but if you didn't have it, you'd still need it. :) agreed.... i just could have waited till i was a bit more financially secure to get it. on the other hand, it wasn't a completely wasted trip. i did at the same time pick up another disci couldnt afford. i got the Bevis Frond's new double disc for 22$. i can justify that to myself because- a.) it's 2 _long_ discs. and- b) i liked the whole thing. i paid the same price for the DH. both imports. Both, factory sealed. DH was mostly an unmoving hour with a few really nice highlights. (i think i like the Rizz tune at the beginning the most- NEVER thot i'd say that.) BTW- has anyone heard that Rizz is a permanent member of HW? i have heard it twice, now. Guess Dave _really_ likes that tourbus! (just kidding, although i know he does!) No, Rizz is a really nice guy. i just hope he works a little toward blending his style a little more with HW's instead of being so, uh, RIZZ. hey jon- (another BTW.. did i meet you over there in 96? i met a lot of people, and i remember meeting a Jon or John, but was it you?) {brixton acad, all-niter) rj > -- > Jon From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 29 10:00:12 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: At 07:26 AM 1/29/98 +0100, you wrote: >At 22:47 28.01.98 -0500, you wrote: >>(quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever >>did, >>but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." >> >>rj Well, Ron at least acknowledges that it's nowhere near being the best album. And if not the worst, it is at least among the worst three or four. What is funny is his statement that they were "pressed for time" which is nothing more than a lie. Keep in mind that these days Brock owns his own studio and all the stuff is recorded there, at Hawkwind's leisure. Time is not an issue anymore, since they can spend as long as they like in the studio. I think the "pressed for time" statement is a cop-out. Heck, they can't even claim that the label is pressuring them for an album, since they are on their own label--they keep their own schedule. The problem, I think, is that Brock and others possibly feel pressured by fans (and the need for money), so they feel obligated to "throw together" albums when they don't really have the inspiration or new material together. More and more, I feel like Hawkwind is becoming a business concern. More evidence of this is the fact that Brock stayed home on a tour some years back while someone else played guitar in his place. What kind of thinking could produce a lame idea like that? It's not like Hawkwind is just some product, some "brand". We expect certain things. Like Dave Brock playing live. Like the band taking the necessary time and interest to put out a good album. I think the bottom line is that Dave (and Hawkwind) are creatively slowing down as they age, but because music is his sole source of income, he is financially obligated to keep doing it at a pace that may be a little rapid for him now. I would prefer that they released one awesome studio album every three years rather than one so-so one every year, if I had the choice. I'm just not buying the "pressed for time" argument any longer. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 29 10:13:35 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:13:35 -0500 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke Message-ID: >> have pressed a few thousand copies for starters and sold them at shows. >That sounds like something a small band would do as it's getting started; But as we all know, BOC is a Megalithic icon o f the 70's, and that would tarnish their image. Image? What image? They HAD an image, but, to anyone other than their hardcore fans, they're "Blue Oyster WHO?", or "Oh, didn't they do some song called 'Repear' or something?" BTW, as for the number of CDs they could initially press, pick a number - maybe it's 5,000, maybe it's 10,000, I don't know. My point being that it would be a do-able thing that they could build on and should be able to recoup the production costs. If no album is the alternative... But, I said I was going to shutup on this subject... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 29 10:17:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:17:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Soundtrack covers Message-ID: >L7, on the other hand, do what is basically a grunge version (remember grunge?), which is funny, but I'm not sure how "worthwhile" it is as an exercise! I heard the L7 version of "...Summer of Love" on the radio and thought it pretty good. A 90s version of the song for sure, with more heaviness than the original. Better? No, not by a longshot, but not bad at all. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 29 10:22:30 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:22:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: CA Reviews Message-ID: Good news there Manuel, thanks for the updates. >the first single to be a love ballad to be called " GOSH, GEE", where Buck is featured playing a mandolin. Something tells me Eric was busting your collective balls on this one. Unless they've added something I don't know about (which is possible), there's 10 tracks, and none of them are called that. You didn't by any chance mean "Live for Me"? It's a fairly soft Buck number. John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jan 29 11:00:10 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:00:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio (was CA Reviews) Message-ID: Manuel said: >>the first single to be a love ballad to be called >>" GOSH, GEE", where Buck is featured playing a mandolin. Then John said: >Something tells me Eric was busting your collective balls on this one. >Unless they've added something I don't know about (which is possible), >there's 10 tracks, and none of them are called that. You didn't by >any chance mean "Live for Me"? It's a fairly soft Buck number. That sounds more like it. I wonder why they wouldn't choose "Harvest Moon" as their 1st single? Too long for radio? "Live for Me" does have a nice hook though. Another thing to look forward to from this is that if they're picking a single, then maybe their label is actually going to try to get their stuff on the air. I doubt I'll be hearing anything on my local classic rock station, but maybe they'll get some airplay _somewhere_. They play "Ted the Mechanic" from Deep Purple's latest on the radio here. Deep Purple is not BOC however... Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2592 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 29 10:59:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:59:00 -0000 Subject: BOC: Soundtrack covers Message-ID: On Thursday, January 29, 1998 3:18 PM, John A Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] wrote: > I heard the L7 version of "...Summer of Love" on the radio and thought > it pretty good. A 90s version of the song for sure, with more heaviness > than the original. Better? No, not by a longshot, but not bad at all. Oh, I don't disagree - but getting it at the same time as the kiwi "Reaper" doesn't help, because having played *that* a few times now, I really like it a lot! Better than the original? Possibly! ("Heretic", you say! :) You know what I'm thinking... "BOC Covers All"... no, I'm not volunteering, but, still... :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jan 29 10:04:58 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:04:58 +0200 Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: Hi! >On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I like >quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has >quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). > >Kevin Sommers > What was this VH-1? Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 29 12:18:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:18:39 -0000 Subject: BOC: Gold Agents Message-ID: OK, just what's the deal with these gold discs? Do they (a) look prettier (b) last longer (c) sound better or what? 'Cause they sure (d) cost more! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Jan 29 12:44:17 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:44:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Howard Marks Message-ID: I am going to Norwich tomorrow to a Howard Marks book signing. I'm going with my mate who already has a copy of the book. A thought occurred to me (seeing as I have seen 1 or 2 related messages on BOC-L); if anyone is very very interested in obtaining a signed copy of Mr Nice please reply to alimac at netcomuk.co.uk by sometime tomorrow morning maybe we can work something out. I wasn't planning on buying a copy for myself, but I have no problem with purchasing a few copies if anyone is interested, I will pass on for my costs. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jan 29 14:50:06 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:50:06 -0800 Subject: HW: Man at the 1999 Party Message-ID: In the words of Andy Gilham : >Finally got hold of the Man _1999 Party_ album! Even though the cover says >"Live in Chicago, April 1974", the sleeve notes say it was recorded on >March 21 - so it's the same show as the Hawkwind one. It's just about >exactly an hour long, not bad for a support I guess. Good sound, and if >you like Man at all then it's one to get. And you can play this and then >the HW record to recreate the total concert experience! Yeah! I love Man! Believe it or not, this band is currently undergoing a huge re-discovery/resurgence amongst young psych heads these days ... one fanzine had one of those clich?d "what's in/what's out" charts with - What's Out: 1970s German bands with albums on United Artists (e.g. Can, Neu, Amon D??l II) What's In: 1970s British bands with albums on United Artists (e.g. Man, Help Yourself, Brinsley Schwarz, High Tide, and, of course, Hawkwind!) Anyway - what's the deal with this? Is it on EMI? Is it donna be even tougher to find in the US than HW's '1999 Party'? What's track listing? Does it compare favorably to the other great Man live albums ('Padget Room' (sp.?), 'Maximum Darkness')? Thanks, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jan 29 15:03:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:03:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Man at the 1999 Party Message-ID: On Thursday, January 29, 1998 7:50 PM, Doug Pearson [SMTP:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] wrote: > > What's Out: 1970s German bands with albums on United Artists (e.g. Can, > Neu, Amon D??l II) > > What's In: 1970s British bands with albums on United Artists (e.g. Man, > Help Yourself, Brinsley Schwarz, High Tide, and, of course, Hawkwind!) LOL:) > Anyway - what's the deal with this? Is it on EMI? Is it gonna be even > tougher to find in the US than HW's '1999 Party'? What's track listing? > Does it compare favorably to the other great Man live albums ('Padget > Room' > (sp.?), 'Maximum Darkness')? It's on Point Records (never heard of 'em either, but they seem to be putting out a lot of old Man stuff) PNTVP 112 CD, I got it through http://www.cdzone.co.uk, haven't seen it in any shops even here in London. It's at least on a par with the other live Man I've got (although I don't actually have either of those (!), I've got Greasy Truckers and Back Into the Future); track list is: 71 71 551 - 10:32 Romain - 7:41 It's a Hard Way to Live - 3:19 C'Mon - 24:22 Spunk Rock - 14:35 Quite a short Spunk Rock - they must have been told to get off and let Hawkwind on! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 29 13:32:03 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:32:03 +0000 Subject: HW: DH...was: D.B. coast? In-Reply-To: <34D08FAB.20D2EF09@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34D08FAB.20D2EF09 at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >hey jon- (another BTW.. did i meet you over there in 96? i met a lot of people, >and >i remember meeting a Jon or John, but was it you?) {brixton acad, all-niter) >rj I was there sure, but to be honest I don't remember meeting. I remember meeting Bill and most of the UK/BOC-L regulars but I was of course, terribly drunk at the time. Hey, if your ever over again, me casa etc.. -- Jon. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 29 14:26:11 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:26:11 +0000 Subject: Social Alliance In-Reply-To: <015a01bd2b49$f25e1160$90433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <015a01bd2b49$f25e1160$90433bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >He even goes as far as to have a "goodnight" (or words to that effect) on >the end. I recently made a compilation of all the odd single tracks onto minidisc and having not listened to Social Alliance for an awful long time, paid close attention to it. In my opinion, it is definitely NOT live and consider it pretty cheesy to try and make it sound live. I don't believe the audience noise and "goodnight" was added for any musical value. I think the same applies to Raping Robots. Mark From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 29 15:39:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:39:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Gold Agents Message-ID: >K, just what's the deal with these gold discs? Do they (a) look prettier (b) last longer (c) sound better or what? 'Cause they sure (d) cost more! Answer is probably all of the above ;-) a) Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As far as the liner notes go, however, they are definitely better. Original artwork, lyrics, and some 1997 notes by Buck b) The claim is they last longer, but I can't vouch for that c) The Gold AoF is sonically superior to the original - better bass and dynamic range is fairly obvious - sounds more like a CD should d) Because the original AoF doesn't sound that bad, it's up to individual taste as to whether the extra $$ is worth it. For the audiophile and hardcore collector, I'd say yes. If this treatment had been given to one of the first 3 albums, I'd say most definitely. But, the original AoF CD ain't too bad, so I suspect that not everyone will feel inclined to rush out and get this -- I did, and I'm pleased. John From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 29 14:50:48 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:50:48 +0000 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc In-Reply-To: <199801291500.KAA24487@wcic.org> Message-ID: In article <199801291500.KAA24487 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes I think the decline in creative ability with age is a truism in the rock world. It is also made worse by the fact that the older you get, so your musical tastes diversify and the paths split more quickly. There was a time when I was absolutely dependent on Hawkwind and lived in fear of them splitting. That time has passed but I still respect Dave for his longevity and understand that the number of times he will "hit the spot" is going to diminish. This doesn't stop me enjoying older Hawkwind or getting that special Hawkwind buzz when they do come along with something really good. Problem is that it has been a while since Electric Teepee! However, the thing that they have often done which does piss me off is to rename old songs. When I bought the digipak Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams, it had a sticker on the front saying "Contains the classic track Bosnia" and I thought "great! sounds hopeful!" only to find they had already released it as Death of War. OK, so Bosnia might have been the original incarnation but the differences don't justify hyping it as a classic and duping the naive ones like myself. I do agree with John though in that quality rather than quantity should be the name of the game and if John's money argument is true then all Dave need do is to release a string of live albums from the late 70s! Mark From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 29 15:55:24 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:55:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Gold Agents Message-ID: A. Yeah, but you can't see 'em when they are spinnin' 'round in the ol' CD player ('less, of course you have a k00l transparent lid or something on your CD player!) B. Yup, the 24K AU substrate will not oxidize ("rot" or "bronze") like an aluminum substrate can. C. Yup, they DO sound better, but not because of the gold itself. Generally, the master tapes are used and are re-mastered for a CD instead of a cassette or LP. THIS is the real improvement, as the masters have less tape hiss, they are (generally) multi-track recordings that can be tweaked, etc. for the best possible sound. D. Yup, but if it is a CD that you love, it is well worth the price!! (Or, if you don't have the CD to begin with, what is another ten bucks or so? "A six of Laughing Skull Bohemian Pilsner and a frozen plain pizza, numbnuts!!") NP: Nothing, I'm in the process of remodeling my office and everything (except this computer) is down!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 12:45 PM Subject: BOC: Gold Agents >OK, just what's the deal with these gold discs? Do they (a) look prettier >(b) last longer (c) sound better or what? 'Cause they sure (d) cost more! > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jan 29 18:17:31 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:17:31 -0700 Subject: GOSH, GEE In-Reply-To: <01bd2cf8$39130020$1882d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: BOC folks; I was only joking about the song title Gosh Gee. Eric never said this, I just came up with it somehow. " The Joke's on You>>>" However, I did hear that there's a cover on the new BOC disc of the classic Tom jones tune "What's New Pussycat.", featuring John Scwarts on the accordion..... God bless....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 29 18:54:57 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:54:57 GMT Subject: OFF: Jill to Charlie was:[herbert rosenberg: Trade] Message-ID: Sorry folks - another message for Charlie! Ooops the idea of composing a message rather than replying to one didn't work! sorry. I hope this says that my letter to you has arrived safely! I'll confirm here that both albums reached me fine in case my message to you didn't get through either. Thanks! jill ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From: chuck at genesisnetwork.net (herbert rosenberg) > To: > Subject: Trade > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:22:20 -0800 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Message-ID: <19980129232517438.AAA44 at herbrose> > Status: RO > > SGksIEppbGwuIEkgaG9wZSB0aGlzIGdldHMgdGhyb3VnaC4gSSdtIHRyeWluZyB0aGUgd2F5IHlv > dSBzdWdnZXN0ZWQtLU5ldyBNZXNzYWdlLCBhZGRyZXNzIHR5cGVkIGluLCByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiBk > aXJlY3QgcmVwbHkuIEkgZ290IHlvdXIgbWVzc2FnZS4gR2xhZCB0aGUgV2FycmlvcnMgbWFkZSBp > dC4gR290IHRoZSBkb3VnaCB5ZXN0ZXJkYXktLXRoYW5rcyEhDQoNCkNoYXJsaWU= > ---- End of forwarded text ---- ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Jan 29 19:59:48 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:59:48 EST Subject: Dave Brock coasting? Message-ID: this VH-1 was an appearance that Hawkwind made on VH-1 in europe april 96... they did 2 live tracks (silver machine & love in space) plus i/v with Dave & Ron In a message dated 98-01-29 11:35:57 EST, you write: << Hi! >On the other hand, there's the version on "Ambient Anarchists", which I like >quite a bit. It's from their live appearance on VH-1 last year, and has >quite a bit more of Dave's guitar than the "normal" version(s). > >Kevin Sommers > What was this VH-1? Miikka Wagner >> From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Jan 29 20:44:14 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:44:14 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: Reply to message from flossbac at WCIC.ORG of Thu, 29 Jan > >At 07:26 AM 1/29/98 +0100, you wrote: >>At 22:47 28.01.98 -0500, you wrote: >>>(quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever >>>did, >>>but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." >>> >>>rj >Well, Ron at least acknowledges that it's nowhere near being the best album. >And if not the worst, it is at least among the worst three or four. What is I disagree about the worst three or four, there are good songs on this, great songs on this, and a couple not so good songs, but I like this one more than Space Bandits, which is my vote for worst, ( Mind you I have never heard IItBOtFTBD), it is better than Xenon Coi?dex, Alien4, and besides, if this one is so bad, how come I heard alot of people here raving about the "new songs" after the last tour? I find myself listening to this alot lately, but that might be cause it's still new. Either way, it hasn't been relegated to the back of the cd case. Lost in Space, Duane From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 29 21:10:32 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:10:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Klaus Schulze Message-ID: I'm trying desperately to find the Klaus Schulze boxed sets "Silver Edition," "Historic Edition" and "Jubilee Edition". Does anyone perhaps know of one of these for sale? Or maybe someone could make some CDR copies of these sets? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 23:11:37 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:11:37 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > besides, if this one is so bad, how come I heard alot of people here raving > about the "new songs" after the last tour? gee, which would U prefer? a studio cut of a song you have never heard, played at a volume that wont get you evicted, or a smashingly loud version of a song you've never heard? a bit of a gap there if ya ask me. =)rj > Lost in Space, > > Duane From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 23:14:38 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:14:38 -0500 Subject: HW: DH...was: D.B. coast? Message-ID: aaah... if ya met bill, ya probably met us too. we were pretty tightly connected. rj besides, my wife says she remembers meeting you. were you in the beehive? Jon Browne wrote: > In article <34D08FAB.20D2EF09 at blackboard.com>, sprawl > writes > >hey jon- (another BTW.. did i meet you over there in 96? i met a lot of people, > >and > >i remember meeting a Jon or John, but was it you?) {brixton acad, all-niter) > >rj > > I was there sure, but to be honest I don't remember meeting. I remember > meeting Bill and most of the UK/BOC-L regulars but Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling voice> I was of course, terribly drunk at > the time. > > Hey, if your ever over again, me casa etc.. > -- > Jon. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 23:38:31 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:38:31 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > At 07:26 AM 1/29/98 +0100, you wrote: > >At 22:47 28.01.98 -0500, you wrote: > >>(quote: Ron Tree at the spacedaze98 shows) "it's not the worst album HW ever > >>did, > >>but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." > >> > >>rj > Well, Ron at least acknowledges that it's nowhere near being the best album. > And if not the worst, it is at least among the worst three or four. What is > funny is his statement that they were "pressed for time" which is nothing > more than a lie. Keep in mind that these days Brock owns his own studio and > all the stuff is recorded there, at Hawkwind's leisure. Time is not an > issue anymore, since they can spend as long as they like in the studio. I > think the "pressed for time" statement is a cop-out. nothing personal john, but how can u say that? they finished it on the few days between the europe tour and the trip to the US. and who knows what was going on in their lives individually? they dont all live in brock's basement or anything like that. in fact some of them live quite a ways away. at the time, i remember that jerry had JUST joined the band on a permanent basis, ron had Just stepped into the bass position, and capt rizz was merely a guest. ron had said that the album had originally been geared in one direction, and they changed that direction not long before the album was due. might as well start from scratch in some aspects. and you must remeber. ron said that hunched down around a campfire with us, MONTHS before we would ever get the op to hear the album. it had nothing to do with making excuses. it was his _opinion._ whatever the truth is, i heard the quote first hand, i believed it, and hearing the album, i now FIRMLY believe it. one other thing: from everything i have seen, dave does not need to keep making music to live well. he's pretty self-sufficient without it. sure, nobody is going to throw away money earned from doing what you love, but everytime i hear he's still doing something, i consider myself lucky. on the other hand, he did admit a couple of years ago, that he was pretty tapped for lyrics. he said it would be great if some fans started sending in lyrics. dont take this as a flame of any sort. its not. if any of it offends, just ignore it, it will go away. PS... i agree with you strongly one one point. i'd rather see half the output done twice as well, too. =) rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jan 29 23:44:07 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:44:07 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: sprawl wrote: > gee, which would U prefer? a studio cut of a song you have never heard, played at a > volume that wont get you evicted, or a smashingly loud version of a song you've > never heard? a bit of a gap there if ya ask me. =)rj i phrased that wrong. its a studio track you've ALREADY heard live, _blastingly loud_, or the blastingly loud live performance? its a definite anticlimax.rj From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 30 02:41:11 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:41:11 -0800 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke In-Reply-To: <199801291513.KAA08182@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > > >That sounds like something a small band would do as it's getting started; > But as we all know, BOC is a Megalithic icon o > f the 70's, and that would > tarnish their image. > > Image? What image? They HAD an image, but, to anyone other than their > hardcore fans, they're "Blue Oyster WHO?", or "Oh, didn't they do some > song called 'Repear' or something?" > > BTW, as for the number of CDs they could initially press, pick a number - > maybe it's 5,000, maybe it's 10,000, I don't know. My point being that > it would be a do-able thing that they could build on and should be able > to recoup the production costs. If no album is the alternative... > > But, I said I was going to shutup on this subject... > > John Of course it makes sense, I was just being cynical. Does that make me unusual for a BOC fan? -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 30 02:43:43 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:43:43 -0800 Subject: HW/Misc - Area 51 Message-ID: Just picked up Area 51 - The Roswell Incident 2CD set, not bad for a bunch of groups I haven't heard before. Quite spacey (of course). Good to listen to while playing Marathon. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jan 30 04:50:59 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:50:59 -0000 Subject: BOC: Gold Agents Message-ID: Thanks, John, Craig! I was a bit suspicious, but now I think I'd quite like one of these. I just have to decide how much! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jan 30 05:36:34 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:34 GMT Subject: HW: Ron Tree's BASTARD Message-ID: To Chris (& anyone else interested) - > Who else was in BASTARD? > I have a niggling feeling in the back of my head aboutthis, but I can't > quite remember. > > Chri$. > >Dirtbox Dave was one guitarist >I can't trememember the names of the others but i know what they looked like >...my mate julian can tell me >(he could also supply photos for scanning if you thought it'd be a good idea) ..a possible early link betwixt Ron & Mr Brock ? :) Neil. ObCD 'Distant Horizons' (well I like it rather a lot FWIW. 'nuff said) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 30 06:49:10 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:49:10 EDT Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Of course it makes sense, I was just being cynical. Does that make me > unusual for a BOC fan? > > -- > Peter William Worley Depends on whether you're on BOC-L or AOL! theo From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jan 30 07:57:55 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:55 +0000 Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke In-Reply-To: <1F7D63D45BE@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > Of course it makes sense, I was just being cynical. Does that make me > > unusual for a BOC fan? > Depends on whether you're on BOC-L or AOL! > theo Clearly, BOC-L = Bunch Of Cynics List whereas AOL = Absolute Obeisance List. Just, ahem, contributing to the infamous *negativism* of BOC-L :-) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Jeffers (pl.n.): HCI Design Centre Persons who honestly believe School of Informatics that a business lunch is City University going to achieve something." Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB (from The Deeper Meaning of Liff, by Douglas Adams Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 and John Lloyd) Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 30 07:07:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:07:02 EDT Subject: BOC No Album Debate/ Rush Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Hardman DK > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > > > Of course it makes sense, I was just being cynical. Does that make me > > > unusual for a BOC fan? > > > Depends on whether you're on BOC-L or AOL! > > theo > > Clearly, BOC-L = Bunch Of Cynics List > > whereas AOL = Absolute Obeisance List. > > Just, ahem, contributing to the infamous *negativism* of BOC-L :-) > > Dave > Outstanding, Dave! ROTFL! theo From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Jan 30 08:49:40 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:49:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Klaus Schulze Message-ID: >From: John Majka >I'm trying desperately to find the Klaus Schulze boxed sets "Silver >Edition," "Historic Edition" and "Jubilee Edition". Does anyone perhaps >know of one of these for sale? Or maybe someone could make some CDR copies >of these sets? At a record show last Sunday, Scott from Grand Rapids Compact Disc told me that he had at least one of those sets. (I had them all already so wasn't paying that much attention.) You might try him. His phone number is (616)363-4960. His e-mail is stgrcd at triton.net. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 29 17:27:10 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:27:10 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: What Mark said about Dave Brock applies to Edgar Froese, too! Message-ID: Damn, Mark, this could almost be the same complaint that I have with current Tangerine Dream!! Substitute "Edgar Froese" for "Dave Brock", "Underwater Sunlight" for "Electric Teepee" and Bob's your uncle!! Eddie-baby could also boost the coffers by releasing some live '70's and '80's concerts... (BTW, for any of you TD fans out there, it is you solemn duty to seek out a copy of the 4 CD r.o.i.o. ELECTRONIC ORGY. This has just about every rare track that TD has ever done, from the rare "Ultima Thule" right up to rare CD tracks from the '90's. May be out of print by now, but what a collection! Sweet!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc >In article <199801291500.KAA24487 at wcic.org>, John Majka > writes > > > >I think the decline in creative ability with age is a truism in the rock >world. It is also made worse by the fact that the older you get, so your >musical tastes diversify and the paths split more quickly. There was a >time when I was absolutely dependent on Hawkwind and lived in fear of >them splitting. That time has passed but I still respect Dave for his >longevity and understand that the number of times he will "hit the spot" >is going to diminish. This doesn't stop me enjoying older Hawkwind or >getting that special Hawkwind buzz when they do come along with >something really good. Problem is that it has been a while since >Electric Teepee! > >However, the thing that they have often done which does piss me off is >to rename old songs. When I bought the digipak Strange Trips and Pipe >Dreams, it had a sticker on the front saying "Contains the classic track >Bosnia" and I thought "great! sounds hopeful!" only to find they had >already released it as Death of War. OK, so Bosnia might have been the >original incarnation but the differences don't justify hyping it as a >classic and duping the naive ones like myself. > >I do agree with John though in that quality rather than quantity should >be the name of the game and if John's money argument is true then all >Dave need do is to release a string of live albums from the late 70s! > >Mark > From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 30 10:24:44 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:24:44 -0700 Subject: OFF: Lucky Duck Message-ID: >I got ES a couple weeks ago at a record show in Balto......I like it better than MI......and there's still copies of MI floating around up in this area, domestic that is.....saw the MF Agents of Fortune disc too finally.....but $30 and the booklet was mangled...so I skipped it....now we just have to wait for BOC's "Album to be named later".. the new Ty Tabor stuff with the guys from Dream Theater, Doug Pinnick's solo album and new King's X..... Why do I always take it on the chin waiting for music? Been waiting for the US release of the new Threshold which is about 18 mos old by now, still haven't seen the new Sav in the US of A and here you are in B'more with Y&T's new one in your player already? Its better than MI? Really? Thats a strong sentiment 'cause I though MI was the most rockin' album ever. Have you checked out the new DT, its not bad through a listening post. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Jan 30 10:41:14 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:41:14 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: What Mark said about Dave Brock applies to Edgar Froese, too! In-Reply-To: <01bd2d05$0becda00$1882d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Couldn't agree more with you Mark! DH should have been released as an EP of the four decent tracks, and would have resulted as an HW gem, rather than a somewhat indifferent release, with only a few good tracks lost amongst it! We definately need Live 79 re-released as the whole concert on double CD. THe Hammersmith Odeon gigs of 1982 and 1984 (with Lemmy) need releasing in their entirety too. (Both these were recorded). The Rainbow gig from 1981 would a superb double CD too! A complete gig from 1989 should also be put out, again maybe the Hammersmith show (with Simon House). Undisclosed files should be re-released as a 4CD boxed set with the 1988 (Dec) Hammersmith gig and the 1984 winter gig (Sheffield?) too! I suppose all we can do is dream! Guy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Damn, Mark, this could almost be the same complaint that I have with current >Tangerine Dream!! Substitute "Edgar Froese" for "Dave Brock", "Underwater >Sunlight" for "Electric Teepee" and Bob's your uncle!! > >Eddie-baby could also boost the coffers by releasing some live '70's and >'80's concerts... >(BTW, for any of you TD fans out there, it is you solemn duty to seek out a >copy of the 4 CD r.o.i.o. ELECTRONIC ORGY. This has just about every rare >track that TD has ever done, from the rare "Ultima Thule" right up to rare >CD tracks from the '90's. May be out of print by now, but what a collection! >Sweet!!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mark Edmonds To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc >In article <199801291500.KAA24487 at wcic.org>, John Majka > writes > > > >I think the decline in creative ability with age is a truism in the rock >world. It is also made worse by the fact that the older you get, so your >musical tastes diversify and the paths split more quickly. There was a >time when I was absolutely dependent on Hawkwind and lived in fear of >them splitting. That time has passed but I still respect Dave for his >longevity and understand that the number of times he will "hit the spot" >is going to diminish. This doesn't stop me enjoying older Hawkwind or >getting that special Hawkwind buzz when they do come along with >something really good. Problem is that it has been a while since >Electric Teepee! > >However, the thing that they have often done which does piss me off is >to rename old songs. When I bought the digipak Strange Trips and Pipe >Dreams, it had a sticker on the front saying "Contains the classic track >Bosnia" and I thought "great! sounds hopeful!" only to find they had >already released it as Death of War. OK, so Bosnia might have been the >original incarnation but the differences don't justify hyping it as a >classic and duping the naive ones like myself. > >I do agree with John though in that quality rather than quantity should >be the name of the game and if John's money argument is true then all >Dave need do is to release a string of live albums from the late 70s! > >Mark > From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Jan 30 11:31:13 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:31:13 -0800 Subject: BOC 1/31 Seattle Show Message-ID: If anybody else is going to the Seattle show at the King Cat Theatre, I'll be there, with by black Workshop of the Telescopes shirt, a blue and red Spokane Chiefs cap, and a black leather jacket. My seat is in section F, row D, seat 2. See ya there. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 30 11:45:45 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:45:45 +0800 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: >I disagree about the worst three or four, there are good songs on this, >great songs on this, and a couple not so good songs, but I like this one >more than Space Bandits, which is my vote for worst, ( Mind you I have >never heard IItBOtFTBD), it is better than Xenon Coi?dex, Alien4, and >besides, if this one is so bad, how come I heard alot of people here raving >about the "new songs" after the last tour? I rather liked Space Bandits and Xenon Codex, but everyone has different tastes. It is the Business is rather more an instrumental (not all, though). A bit like Hawkwind does Tangerine Dream. It was OK. >I find myself listening to this alot lately, but that might be cause it's >still new. Either way, it hasn't been relegated to the back of the cd >case. I think on of the main problems with the new album as well, is that they have gone for a lot of various musical styles on this one, that has made it rather disjointed. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 30 11:51:13 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:51:13 +0800 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: >nothing personal john, but how can u say that? they finished it on the few days >between the europe tour and the trip to the US. and who knows what was going on in >their lives individually? they dont all live in brock's basement or anything like >that. in fact some of them live quite a ways away. at the time, i remember that >jerry had JUST joined the band on a permanent basis, ron had Just stepped into the >bass position, and capt rizz was merely a guest. > And also, wasn't Richard's girlfriend seriously ill in hospital. >ron had said that the album had originally been geared in one direction, and they >changed that direction not long before the album was due. might as well start from >scratch in some aspects. > They also probably went through all those various line-up changes after the original concept was dicussed. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 30 05:35:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:35:01 +0000 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc In-Reply-To: <34D15947.C3AFB63@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34D15947.C3AFB63 at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes > they dont all live in brock's basement or anything like >that. Of course they don't live in Brock's basement. They live on board the starship, everyone knows that. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 30 04:47:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:47:06 +0000 Subject: HW: DH...was: D.B. coast? In-Reply-To: <34D153AE.507C25F3@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34D153AE.507C25F3 at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >aaah... if ya met bill, ya probably met us too. we were pretty tightly >connected. >rj besides, my wife says she remembers meeting you. were you in the beehive? well, yes, I was but.. I had a couple of pints at the bar and looked strangely at the t-shirt of everyone who came in looking for Nethawks T's. It wasn't till inside the Acad. that I hooked up with anyone. -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 30 10:18:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:18:51 -0700 Subject: BOC Album(s) Message-ID: JS>BTW, as for the number of CDs they could initially press, pick a number - maybe it's 5,000, maybe it's 10,000, I don't know. My point being that it would be a do-able thing that they could build on and should be able to recoup the production costs. If no album is the alternative... >But, I said I was going to shutup on this subject... >John Why stop when you're making sense? Had they done this even four years ago they'd probably be on a second pressing by now. >You didn't by any chance mean "Live for Me"? It's a fairly soft Buck number. This is an excellent choice as a radio single. Buck vox, Buck song. Heck does radio play anything but Buck songs? How stupid was Sony? Check this out... JS>d) Because the original AoF doesn't sound that bad, it's up to individual taste as to whether the extra $$ is worth it. For the audiophile and hardcore collector, I'd say yes. If this treatment had been given to one of the first 3 albums, I'd say most definitely. But, the original AoF CD ain't too bad, so I suspect that not everyone will feel inclined to rush out and get this -- I did, and I'm pleased. Bang between the eyse Mr. Swartz. Gold AOF is really a collectors item, better sound, 24 kt, but too expensive for any average fan to salivate over. Sony could have made a mint had they a) simply remasted the first three and sold them as a 3Pak, or b) really showed some balls and turned those three classic albums into the gold format. As cheap as I am I would have swallowed either of these packages in a New York minute, bet I wouldn't be alone either. Manuel, thanks for the update on the tours. Par for the course I'm a day late dollar short. Was in LA Wens. night and left thursday afternoon. Jet lag is bad but you've made my day with news about Eric. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Animal Instincts, Gary Hoey From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jan 30 12:29:55 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > I think on of the main problems with the new album as well, is that they > have gone for a lot of various musical styles on this one, that has made it > rather disjointed. > i think that's a rather good point.rj > William From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Jan 30 12:55:23 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:55:23 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: >> >>but it's in no way the best. We were really pressed for time and it shows." >> >> >> >>rj >> Well, Ron at least acknowledges that it's nowhere near being the best album. >> And if not the worst, it is at least among the worst three or four. What is >> funny is his statement that they were "pressed for time" which is nothing >> more than a lie. Keep in mind that these days Brock owns his own studio and >> all the stuff is recorded there, at Hawkwind's leisure. Time is not an >> issue anymore, since they can spend as long as they like in the studio. I >> think the "pressed for time" statement is a cop-out. >nothing personal john, but how can u say that? they finished it on the few days >between the europe tour and the trip to the US. and who knows what was going on in >their lives individually? they dont all live in brock's basement or anything like >that. in fact some of them live quite a ways away. at the time, i remember that >jerry had JUST joined the band on a permanent basis, ron had Just stepped into the >bass position, and capt rizz was merely a guest. > >ron had said that the album had originally been geared in one direction, and they >changed that direction not long before the album was due. might as well start from >scratch in some aspects. I don't deny the validity of all these issues--certainly they would interfere with recording an album, but my point is that unlike most musical groups, Hawkwind is independent enough (no contractual obligations, plus owning their own studios) that they don't HAVE TO meet a particular time schedule. If things were hectic etc. and the ideas weren't coming together, they could delay until a better time to write/record etc came up. It's not like they have a guy from Virgin or whatever breathing down their necks, saying, "Tapes of the new album must be in our office by Friday morning". Of course Hawkwind would like to put out albums constantly, but I'd prefer that they take as much time as they want. Overall, even if Hawkwind would never put out another "good" album (and I'm not saying DH isn't good--it's just not great) or if Brock called it quits today, they've certainly had a remarkable enough career to make up for any such disasters. I mean Hawkwind are getting pretty old these days, but they're still WAY more creative and productive than other musical ancients like the Rolling Stones, who haven't been able to write a decent song for what 10-20 years? Hawkwind have pretty much put out at least a record a year for their whole career, and every one has been pretty damn good, all things considered. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Jan 30 13:30:30 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:30:30 -0700 Subject: Distant Horizons/Dave Brock etc In-Reply-To: <199801291500.KAA24487@wcic.org> Message-ID: > John Majka wrote: ...More and more, I feel > like Hawkwind is becoming a business concern. More evidence of this is the > fact that Brock stayed home on a tour some years back while someone else > played guitar in his place. What kind of thinking could produce a lame idea > like that? It's not like Hawkwind is just some product, some "brand". We > expect certain things. Like Dave Brock playing live. I have no idea why Dave didn't do that tour, but give me a fucking break! Missing ONE tour in almost 29 years is by no means anything to be ashamed of, and HARDLY devious evidence of a band (or a man) selling out. He had never done it before, and he hasn't done it since. And I really don't think he was just sitting in a cushy chair, smoking a fat cigar with his feet up, laughing as he counted all the gold rolling in. > ...Like the band taking > the necessary time and interest to put out a good album. This, as we've all seen, can be debated all day. Many days, in fact. > ...I think the bottom > line is that Dave (and Hawkwind) are creatively slowing down as they age,... Love it or hate it, DH is unlike anything they've put out before. I think that shows a lot of creativity, unlike someone like AC/DC who puts out the same album every year. Hawkwind keeps breaking new ground and doing the unexpected, which is exactly what Dave, in numerous interviews, has promised all along. Kevin Sommers From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Jan 30 16:09:34 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:09:34 -0500 Subject: Distant Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: >> John Majka wrote: ...More and more, I >feel >> like Hawkwind is becoming a business concern. More evidence of this is >the >> fact that Brock stayed home on a tour some years back while someone else >> played guitar in his place. What kind of thinking could produce a lame >idea >> like that? It's not like Hawkwind is just some product, some "brand". We >> expect certain things. Like Dave Brock playing live. > >I have no idea why Dave didn't do that tour, but give me a fucking break! >Missing ONE tour in almost 29 years is by no means anything to be ashamed >of, and HARDLY devious evidence of a band (or a man) selling out. He had >never done it before, and he hasn't done it since. And I really don't think >he was just sitting in a cushy chair, smoking a fat cigar with his feet up, >laughing as he counted all the gold rolling in. >Kevin Well duh. I think you missed my point. Of course Hawkwind hasn't "sold out" and as far as their type of music is concerned, it's not possible to get rich anyway. Because the money is so feeble outside of mainstream music, if you want to make it a "career" (i.e. no job to pay the bills while you do music), then it is necessary to constantly be as active as possible, just to survive. Dave stayed home from that tour to mix Palace Springs and attend to Hawkwind bookings, legal actions, etc. What I am saying is that the "business" side of the band certainly has overshadowed the music side at times in recent years. Did Dave really believe he was replaceable on tour? Dave was attending to making a living, so to speak, while Hawkwind toured without him. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Fri Jan 30 22:01:58 1998 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:01:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Freaking Weird Burglar Message-ID: Ok so this is a whine of sorts... Came home from work today to find my place had been broken into. Took my vcr, most all my computer cdroms, my cameras, a walkman (left behind the computer, the tvs, the stereo... I'm counting my blessings....) but check this; out of my 300+ music cd's whats the only music disc this freak grabs? my new 1999 party! Yaaah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnv at NCWEB.COM Fri Jan 30 22:50:54 1998 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND COVERS ALL Message-ID: dose anyone from this list have a copy of that "hawkwind covers all" compilation tapes(4 vol) and interested in trading for a copy of them? thanks From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jan 30 23:10:31 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:10:31 -0500 Subject: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > I don't deny the validity of all these issues--certainly they would > interfere with recording an album, but my point is that unlike most musical > groups, Hawkwind is independent enough (no contractual obligations, plus > owning their own studios) that they don't HAVE TO meet a particular time > schedule. If things were hectic etc. and the ideas weren't coming together, > they could delay until a better time to write/record etc came up. It's not > like they have a guy from Virgin or whatever breathing down their necks, > saying, "Tapes of the new album must be in our office by Friday morning". > Of course Hawkwind would like to put out albums constantly, but I'd prefer > that they take as much time as they want. Overall, even if Hawkwind would > never put out another "good" album (and I'm not saying DH isn't good--it's > just not great) or if Brock called it quits today, they've certainly had a > remarkable enough career to make up for any such disasters. I mean Hawkwind > are getting pretty old these days, but they're still WAY more creative and > productive than other musical ancients like the Rolling Stones, who haven't > been able to write a decent song for what 10-20 years? Hawkwind have pretty > much put out at least a record a year for their whole career, and every one > has been pretty damn good, all things considered. i can pretty much agree with all that. especially the part about the stones! ;)but i guess maybe they wanted the discs to go into production, so that they could quickly recover from any loss they might have incurred from the US tour? i mean, as i understand it, and i may be wrong, they would have taken a loss had it not been for the strange days thing. who knows? but lets just hope that once the band has gotten used to each other, the output will be much better! take care, rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jan 30 23:14:17 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:14:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Freaking Weird Burglar Message-ID: > Ok so this is a whine of sorts... > Came home from work today to find my place had been broken into. Took my vcr, most all my computer cdroms, my cameras, a walkman (left > behind the computer, the tvs, the stereo... I'm counting my blessings... > sounds like they were on foot, and you may know the person who did it. > but check this; out of my 300+ music cd's whats the only music disc this freak grabs?my new 1999 party! Yaaah! > probably thot it was a "prince" album. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Jan 31 01:50:05 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:50:05 -0500 Subject: OFF:motorhead movie tune Message-ID: saw this movie tonite, called wishmaster. it was produced by wes craven, and was sort of a 'hellraiser' meets 'freddy kreuger.' not a bad film, if ya like that sort of stuff. really great special effects, a real plot (again., as those films go,) and decent actors. anyway, the credits soundtrack featured motorhead's 'listen to the heart.' that is all. rj From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Jan 31 03:42:00 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:42:00 +1100 Subject: HW: Freaking Weird Burglar Message-ID: At 21:01 30/01/98 -0600, Jerome Kekatos wrote: >Ok so this is a whine of sorts... >Came home from work today to find my place had been broken into. Took my vcr, most all my computer cdroms, my cameras, a walkman (left behind the computer, the tvs, the stereo... I'm counting my blessings....) > >but check this; out of my 300+ music cd's whats the only music disc this freak grabs? >my new 1999 party! What? You mean there are actually Hawkwind fans on the prowl? Sound like an inside job to me....similar thing happened to me once... Hope you can get it replaced.... Troy > >Yaaah! > > > > > > > > > > >
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From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Jan 31 04:09:30 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:09:30 -0700 Subject: Distant Horizons/Dave Brock etc In-Reply-To: <199801302109.QAA13402@wcic.org> Message-ID: > >> John Majka wrote: ...More and more, I > >feel > >> like Hawkwind is becoming a business concern. More evidence of this is > >the > >> fact that Brock stayed home on a tour some years back while someone else > >> played guitar in his place. What kind of thinking could produce a lame > >idea > >> like that? It's not like Hawkwind is just some product, some "brand". We > >> expect certain things. Like Dave Brock playing live. > > > >I have no idea why Dave didn't do that tour, but give me a fucking break! > >Missing ONE tour in almost 29 years is by no means anything to be ashamed > >of, and HARDLY devious evidence of a band (or a man) selling out. He had > >never done it before, and he hasn't done it since. And I really don't think > >he was just sitting in a cushy chair, smoking a fat cigar with his feet up, > >laughing as he counted all the gold rolling in. > >Kevin > > Well duh. I think you missed my point. Of course Hawkwind hasn't "sold > out" and as far as their type of music is concerned, it's not possible to > get rich anyway. Because the money is so feeble outside of mainstream > music, if you want to make it a "career" (i.e. no job to pay the bills while > you do music), then it is necessary to constantly be as active as possible, > just to survive. Dave stayed home from that tour to mix Palace Springs and > attend to Hawkwind bookings, legal actions, etc. What I am saying is that > the "business" side of the band certainly has overshadowed the music side at > times in recent years. Did Dave really believe he was replaceable on tour? > Dave was attending to making a living, so to speak, while Hawkwind toured > without him. > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org > And maybe you missed mine. I, like I said, have no idea why Dave skipped that one tour. Maybe you have inside information, but it seems to me that there have been plenty of albums to mix, alot of legal shit, and ongoing bookings to attend to along the years, along with alot of tours, all of which, bar this one, Dave made. I don't know how you know what Dave was doing this one month in '91, but it seems to me that he might have had other VERY good reasons for missing that tour, which has not been repeated since! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 31 10:30:58 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:30:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Freaking Weird Burglar In-Reply-To: <01bd2df4$9857c140$LocalHost@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 21:01 30.01.98 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Ok so this is a whine of sorts... Came home from work today to find my place had been broken into. Took my vcr, most all my computer cdroms, my cameras, a walkman (left behind the computer, the tvs, the stereo... I'm counting my blessings....) but check this; out of my 300+ music cd's whats the only music disc this freak grabs? my new 1999 party! <<<< Haha! Sorry, that's just really fucked up. Must be a BOC-L'er I reckon. Where are you located? Next poster who's "finally aquired that pricey 1999 Party import" and lives approximately in your area is your man (Steve Swann????). Christian >>>> Yaaah! <<<< argh! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 31 15:27:08 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:27:08 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Soft Themes For Root Canal vol 1 & 2 Message-ID: ...so this one guy at work is heading to the denists' for an emergency root canal and needs to bring some tunes along for the 2 hour ride, and I have a discman laying around and a few CDs... "something mellow, to take my mind off the whole thing" he says. "I gotta run now so just pick something fast". I sift through the individual discs I have tossed into a jewel case with no tray... "you definetly don't want the Gwar one", I tell him. "Unless you want to imagine being pummeled by a gargantuan metal penis drill by Phallus Maximus and Techno Destructo in the slavepits of Gwar in the dentist's chair from Hell". "No, I don't want to be pummeled by a gargantuan metal penis drill by Phallus Maximus and Techno Destructo in the slavepits of Gwar in the dentist's chair from Hell" he says, with a tinge of dread in his voice. The ones left that vaguely fit his therapeutically soothing needs are Alan Davey's "Captured Rotation" and Soft Machine's "Third". I tell him the former is pretty spacey psychedelia with some catchy punkrock elements as well, but mostly mellow stuff. At least pretty accesible. "Do you like jazz?" I ask. "Yeah" he says. "Well, this is sort of, um, spacey jazzy experimentation I guess. Soft Machine. I mean, it's sorta rock, but not so-called 'fusion'." I attempt to inform him. "Fusion is horrible, just anal musicians jerking off whenever they get the spotlight. But I like jazz, yeah. Coltrane, Davis..." he says. "Well, Soft Machine turned fusion, but this from their "good" period. Lots of interesting improv and long stretches of meditative soundscapes. More jazz than rock I guess. You'll like it." I hand the goods over. He leaves, happy to bring something to soothe the terror of having a root canal. Next morning he appears, and happily expecting having turned someone on to some of my fave music, I ask how it went. "What the fuck man!? Two full hours of demented dentist's drills and screaming voices! Totally psycho! I'm traumatized for life! One track sounded like a busted coffee machine being attacked by a gigantic drill." he exclaims aggressively. I am taken back, surprised. "My, I always could chill out to the Soft Machine... the Alan Davey one too? Really? Are you serious??" I ask. "Even worse, it was like a million dentist's drills going in the background! Freaked me out man! You are an evil man!" Some time later I get the discs back. I decide to investigate. I can't listen to either of these without cracking up laughing, at least for a couple of days now. He's right. Damn. I giggle my way through about five frames of attempts of filling in the colors of some stupid character walking for a cartoon, to the sounds of Soft Machine. I can't do it, I am losing it, the simplest, most monotonous mouse-clicking routine has become a chaotic ritual of insanity and associative madness bordering on primal subconcious fears accompanied by demented giggles. The first few minutes of Third is a nightmarish dental workout, the rest of the album has the crazed invisible dentist reappearing whenever my mind finally starts drifting. I think of Dustin Hoffman in that movie being tortured by the evil nazi dentist... I change discs. The spacy Hawkwind synths on the Davey album are a constant avalanche of millions of little drills. Sounds okay now though, but I am not wearing headphones. Maybe I should have lent the guy the Gwar disc after all. I put the CD player away. I couldn't concentrate on anything for the rest of the afternoon. If only dentists still used morphine and cocaine on themselves and their patients, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. christian ObPossibleRootCanalCD: Psychic TV - Electric Newspaper. Issue. Three. From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jan 30 21:57:39 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:57:39 -0000 Subject: HW: MM in UK SFX Message-ID: For Information: There is a Mike Moorcock feature in the new issue of SFX magazine (UK, don`t know if it`s available outside UK). It`s about four pages with mention of HW (and three CD sleeve pics, one printed twice but turned sideways!!) as well as the comic, Pyatt series and other stuff. Just so you know ;) Si ----- The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 31 17:45:47 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:45:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Fifty Years Of Sunshine Message-ID: Hmm... anyone know which HW tracks are on this? From the Spaceship Eyes/Don Falcone discog at: http://home.earthlink.net/~falcone/covers.html Fifty Years Of Sunshine - Various Satellite IV "In A Sugarcube" Celebrate the 50th anniversary of LSD-25 with Psychic TV & Hawkwind. copyright ? 1993 Silent Records Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jan 31 17:50:54 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:50:54 +0100 Subject: HW: another 50 Years of Sunshine Message-ID: Partially answering my own question, from the same website, snipped below from the reviews section. Anyone have any more info and care to elaborate? Wondering if this is a cover of HW's Awakening by Earth Leakage Trip (whomever they may be!). Christian ---------- '50 YEARS OF SUNSHINE' - VARIOUS (Silent, USA) A compilation of contemporary explorative music presented in a beautifully designed triptych - 'Orange Barrel, Windowpane & Purple Microdots' - shared between 2 discs; 100mg & 250mg, weird & then some for sure. From the elemental mindscapes of 'The Voyage - In Wake of Passing Clouds' by acid-rock pioneer Harvey Bainbridge (ex-Hawkwind) to the spell-binding fruits of 'The Awakening' by Earth Leakage Trip; from the frenetic intensity of Phauss's meticulous 'Radiator' to the folksy groove of 'On LSD' by Steel Porn Rhino, this is an incredible combination. Opening with a narrative by Dr. Timothy Leary, mirthfully entitled 'The Incredible Lightness of Being Molecular' & extending outwards for more than 140 minutes, this imaginatively celebrates the 50th anniversary of an occasion that led to considerable change in the artistic & spiritual development of Western civilisation. If it sounds & looks this good now, what's it going to be like for the 100th Anniversary? Wow. (10/10) Desmond K. Hill From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Jan 31 18:52:00 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:52:00 -0700 Subject: HW: another 50 Years of Sunshine In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980131235054.02ffcb7c@online.no> Message-ID: > Partially answering my own question, from the same website, snipped below > from the reviews section. Anyone have any more info and care to elaborate? > Wondering if this is a cover of HW's Awakening by Earth Leakage Trip > (whomever they may be!). > > Christian > > ---------- > > > '50 YEARS OF SUNSHINE' - VARIOUS (Silent, USA) A compilation of > contemporary explorative music presented in a beautifully designed triptych > - 'Orange Barrel, Windowpane & Purple Microdots' - shared between 2 discs; > 100mg & 250mg, weird & then some for sure. From the elemental mindscapes of > 'The Voyage - In Wake of Passing Clouds' by acid-rock pioneer Harvey > Bainbridge (ex-Hawkwind) to the spell-binding fruits of 'The Awakening' by > Earth Leakage Trip; from the frenetic intensity of Phauss's meticulous > 'Radiator' to the folksy groove of 'On LSD' by Steel Porn Rhino, this is an > incredible combination. Opening with a narrative by Dr. Timothy Leary, > mirthfully entitled 'The Incredible Lightness of Being Molecular' & > extending outwards for more than 140 minutes, this imaginatively celebrates > the 50th anniversary of an occasion that led to considerable change in the > artistic & spiritual development of Western civilisation. If it sounds & > looks this good now, what's it going to be like for the 100th Anniversary? > Wow. (10/10) Desmond K. Hill > I have this CD, and it is good. The Hawkwind track is "Space Dust," which fits in nicely with the rest of the concept. "The Awakening" is a good instrumental, but completely unrelated to Hawkwind. From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Jan 31 19:28:42 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:28:42 EST Subject: HW: OFF: new homepage HAWK-US/TIME & SPACE Message-ID: hello....here is the URL for the Hawk-U.S./Time & Space page: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html this site is under construction but has some links already..... i plan to post news about HW & related bands as is needed... bye bob From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat Jan 31 21:59:47 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:59:47 +0000 Subject: HW: another 50 Years of Sunshine In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980131235054.02ffcb7c@online.no> Message-ID: On 31 Jan 98 at 23:50, c mumford wrote: > Partially answering my own question, from the same website, snipped > below from the reviews section. Anyone have any more info and care > to elaborate? Wondering if this is a cover of HW's Awakening by > Earth Leakage Trip (whomever they may be!). > > Christian > Nope, this Awakening is an Earth Leakage Trip original IIRC. I have some old 12" of theirs knocking around upstairs, wierd electronic/techno stuff, i'll check it if you like. I have the 50 years of sunshine CD too, somewhere.... not listened to it for a while but i know there's some fun stuff on there. Alasdair > ---------- > > > '50 YEARS OF SUNSHINE' - VARIOUS (Silent, USA) A compilation of > contemporary explorative music presented in a beautifully designed > triptych - 'Orange Barrel, Windowpane & Purple Microdots' - shared > between 2 discs; 100mg & 250mg, weird & then some for sure. From the > elemental mindscapes of 'The Voyage - In Wake of Passing Clouds' by > acid-rock pioneer Harvey Bainbridge (ex-Hawkwind) to the > spell-binding fruits of 'The Awakening' by Earth Leakage Trip; from > the frenetic intensity of Phauss's meticulous 'Radiator' to the > folksy groove of 'On LSD' by Steel Porn Rhino, this is an incredible > combination. Opening with a narrative by Dr. Timothy Leary, > mirthfully entitled 'The Incredible Lightness of Being Molecular' & > extending outwards for more than 140 minutes, this imaginatively > celebrates the 50th anniversary of an occasion that led to > considerable change in the artistic & spiritual development of > Western civilisation. If it sounds & looks this good now, what's it > going to be like for the 100th Anniversary? Wow. (10/10) Desmond K. > Hill > -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Jan 31 15:48:37 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:48:37 -0800 Subject: BITCH! Message-ID: Ola, > > Didn't Swedish doom metallers Candlemass do *Come To The Sabbat*? Or was > it the Danish dentist/scorcher King Diamond? "Come to the SabbaTH" was done by Mercyful Fate, and has nothing to do w/Black Widow's "Come to the SabbaT". (And what's this about KD being a dentist?) By the way, if anyone has that first Black Widow album, and would like to dub it, I'd like to work a trade. Charlie From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 1 05:39:41 1998 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:39:41 -0700 Subject: NIK: LA Show In-Reply-To: <200003151656.LAA22788@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Possibly, but I recently (about two weeks ago) got one from Amazon.com, and they still have it listed... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http:\\members.home.net\novadrive > >St. Anthony's Fire (Farflung tune, I assume from a recent album) > > Yeah, this is from the Belief Module...you don't have it? You might be in > trouble, as the label (Bad Acid) went belly up already. I guess > they didn't > have them for sale at the gig either. > > If it turns out that BM is totally absent from the marketplace, > would it be > proper and non-offending to run a CD-R tree? The album never did > have much > of a chance, did it? From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 1 15:33:10 1998 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:33:10 -0700 Subject: OFF (and HW): Chickens and Roads Message-ID: I found this on another discussion list: ---------------------------------------------- This old dumb joke: Q. "Why did the chicken cross the road?" A. "To get to the other side!" - as applied to various "progressive rock group" chickens.... ------------------------------------- WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? ------------------------------------- Genesis chicken - After it crossed the road it spread its wings and ascended slowly into the sky. Then the sun came out and all the peoples of the world rejoiced. Musical Box chicken - (See above) Magma chicken - goose-stepped across the road while speaking in tongues. It was dressed completely in black and sported a familiar runic symbol on its breast. Heldon chicken - started crossing the road in an electrifyingly anarchistic manner then exploded in a fireball half-way across. Gong chicken - Using Radio Gnome Invisible, this holisticly conscious chicken asked a Pot Head Pixie for a lift across the road in a flying teapot and quite by chance met Zero the Hero. Anekdoten chicken - This chicken is so heavy that it cracked the pavement as it crossed in a slow lumbering stride. It was also dressed like Rozz Williams and had painted the tips of its toes with black nail polish. PFM chicken - Crossed the road quickly but was muttering to itself incoherently and had terrible garlic breath. Argent chicken - puffed itself up and tried to strut menacingly across the road, but it wasn't fooling anyone... Hawkwind chicken - Made it almost all the way across when it was abducted by cryogenically recycled alien acolytes from Zorkon Beta 5QX7 who were collecting Earth specimens for interplanetary scientific research. Soft Machine chicken - This totally hip chicken was wearing totally rad rectangular spectacles that were so dark and cool looking, it couldn't see where it was going. It managed to eventually improvise its way across the road. Robert Wyatt chicken - crossed the road followed by a devout band of acolytes from the United Church of Our Lord and Savior Robert "I-can-upstage-Jesus" Wyatt. Manfred Mann's Earth Band chicken - tried crossing the road at night but got blinded by the light of an oncoming coal truck and was blasted clear across South Africa. Presently rehabilitating, while listening to old Dylan and Springsteen bootlegs. Henry Cow chicken - crossed the road without incident...one body part at a time. Fred Frith chicken - crossed the road without incident...1/8th of a body part at a time. Ozric Tentacles chicken - It's feet lifted off the ground a few inches and it levitated gracefully across the road. It sported a scratchy wool sweater and "Dread-feathers" and it's sunken eyes were like those of an oversized Bassett Hound. Echolyn chicken - Crossed the road hundreds of times in hundreds of different ways, all in the blink of an eye. Finneus Gauge chicken - Crossed the road thousands of times in thousands of different ways, all in the blink of an eye. Van Der Graaf Generator chicken - flapped haphazardly into the middle of the road, then rolled onto its back, kicking its legs in the air clucking incessantly. Peter Hammill chicken - Did the same as the Van Der Graaf chicken, but it also pecked at the pavement violently until its beak was chipped and bloody, then stared painfully into the sun yelling verses from Yeats. Nektar chicken - crossed the road accompanied by its own amazing light show. It was mesmerized by the amazing visuals, but later on it moved to New Jersey where it got homesick and died. Caravan chicken - crossed the road amiably enough promptly at half past four, after having a delightful cup of tea and crumpets with marmalade preserves. Camel chicken - Flew all the way from Mountain View, California, to Stratford-Upon-Avon just to cross a road in front of people who would recognize who it was. Steve Hillage chicken - crossed the road and was enlightened to the insight that there is an infinite number of roads to cross, each a lesson in the Universal knowledge of existence and the unwavering and limitless power of unconditional love as expressed through the magickal medium of musick. Gentle Giant chicken - Likes to cross the road, but is annoyed by those little motor-vehicle things that sometimes get squashed under its feet. Yes chicken - Steadfastedly refused to cross the road. Period. Rick Wakeman chicken - Thumbed its nose at the Yes chicken and waltzed across the road while eating some KFC and chain smoking unfiltered Camels. Patrick Moraz chicken - tripped and fell down half-way across because some idiot left a half-eaten bucket of KFC lying in the middle of the road. Miriodor chicken - This chicken crossed the road without incident. However, upon closer inspection, you would notice that this chicken had 5 wings, 4 legs, 3 beaks, 2 heads and 1 eye. Focus chicken - This chickenus crossed the roadus while yodelingus. Hatfield & The North chicken - Went up to the road and tinkled, then caused chaos at the Greasy Spoon by volunteering to "share it" with the waitress, who happened to be Amanda Parsons. Djam Karet chicken - crossed half-way, then turned and streaked off following the center line. Sometimes people have reported the siting of this glowing green chicken racing down roadways all over the world at night accompanied by an eerie wailing noise. 5UU's chicken - cackled insanely as it ran in circles all over the road before managing to cause a major fatal 7-car pile-up. Solution chicken - Was unfortunately run over by a steam-roller. It's yellow velvet bell-bottom trousers survived, however. Univers Zero chicken - This chicken started to slowly cross the road in a most peculiar manner. Then it began to smoke and emit an awful stench. Feathers, beak and body slowly melted into a viscuous pool of putrid, greasy, lumpy black slime which burnt through the pavement. Present chicken - This chicken started to slowly cross the road in a most peculiar manner. Then it began to smoke and emit an awful stench. Then an alien hatched from its breast. ELP chicken - shot like a cannon across the road, accompanied by swirling fog, atmospheric explosions and fireworks. Tickets to see this highly hyped event were $34.95 and/or ?53. Triumvirat chicken - Tried to cross the road like the ELP chicken, but ended up not making it all the way across. An angry mob of people who felt they'd been cheated out of $34.95 and/or ?53 chased it for miles, but it escaped. King Crimson chicken - With its toungue packed in aspic, this chicken, three of a perfect pair, crossed heavily in the wake of Poseiden, dragging with it a dead lizard that had been staked through the neck. Pink Floyd chicken - This half-machine, half-animal chicken, instead of crossing the road, would flag down cars and peck the drivers to death. Gryphon chicken - Saw how formidable the road was and came to the logical conclusion that it didn't need to cross the road. Amon Duul chicken - Crossed the road by running through a drainage culvert, marveling at the way its movements echoed through the galvanized steel. Went into the Black Forest to experience nature on LSD. Amon Duul II chicken - Crossed the road like the Amon Duul chicken, but it was suffering from delusions of grandeur, thinking it was a secret agent on a mission to find out where in the world Carmen Sandiego is. Jethro Tull chicken - Crossed the road with a merry wee hop, skip and a jump! Rennaissance chicken - started to cross the road when it was shot by an arrow from one of the Sheriff of Nottingham's paxmen for non-payment of royal taxes. Mike Oldfield chicken - shyly crossed the road when it was sure no one was looking. Incidently, it made the road it crossed. Also, it manufactured the asphalt used to make the road, as well as chip the rock used in the production of the asphalt, as well as invent the use of pavement for roadways to begin with. Larry Fast chicken - used the "Buddy-check" system with the J.M. Jarre chicken to safely make it across the road. Jean Michael Jarre chicken - see above. Traffic chicken - Started to cross eager enough, but got distracted half-way across, then lost interest all together. White Willow chicken - Sprouted Faerie wings and fluttered acropss the road. Grobschnitt chicken - was so busy clowning around in the middle of the road, it didn't see the Coca-cola delivery truck until it was too late.... Faust chicken - crossed the road accompanied by an ear-splitting claxon of noise. Anglagard chicken - would only cross the road at night by candle light - it was more dramatic that way. National Health chicken - Hey, OK, I mean, like this has nothing to do with chickens, but, like, I want to know if Pip Pyle really is made of some metallic alloy, and if he is, I want to know, like, what it is? And while we're at it, is John Greaves really a star child born of the relationship between philosopher Aristotle and musician Slapp Happy? Egg chicken - crossed the road easily, despite all the traffic, passing lanes, overpasses, exits, breakdown lanes, service vehicle right-of-ways, stop lights, railroad crossings and police roadblocks. kudla at pobox.com ... http://kudla.org/raindog ... Rob Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http:\\members.home.net\novadrive From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Jan 1 02:28:07 1998 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:28:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Live Legends gig In-Reply-To: <200003161811.TAA08296@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: > Hi > > At 13:03 16.3.2000 -0500, you wrote: > >I hope there's more on the audio tape than was on the video. Or > >did they > only play about an hour that time in Nottingham? > > The played longer. Here is the track list: > > 25.01.1990, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY, 95 minutes > intro / assault & battery / golden void / treadmill / time we left / heads > / time we left / out of the shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / > jam / back in the box / arrival in utopia / paranoia / dream worker / > starflight / ejection / damnation alley / your secret's safe with me / > damnation alley / hassan i sahba / wind of change / assault & battery / > golden void > > Please notice that they played ASSAULT and GOLDEN VOID twice this evening. > The encore version of these songs was used for the video. > > > Bernhard > Was there any difference musically between the beginning and the encore, or maybe it just filmed better? Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http:\\members.home.net\novadrive