From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Feb 1 01:41:57 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:41:57 -0600 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 John Majka wrote: >What is funny is his statement that they were "pressed for time" which >is nothing >more than a lie. Keep in mind that these days Brock owns his own studio and >all the stuff is recorded there, at Hawkwind's leisure. Time is not an >issue anymore, since they can spend as long as they like in the studio. I >think the "pressed for time" statement is a cop-out. Heck, they can't even >claim that the label is pressuring them for an album, since they are on >their own label--they keep their own schedule. Actually, the way I figure (which may be wrong), Doug Smith had something to do with it. After all, consider that the band were apparently REALLY pissed off at him for - as I recall - being hasty and encouraging the band to be hasty with Distant Horizons. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Damon Capehart From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Feb 1 02:18:27 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:18:27 -0800 Subject: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: AM > > Hi Hawkollectors, > > I found two brand new "California Brainstorm" (Cyclops) + "Illustrated > Collectors Guide to HW" to sell/trade. They 've never been listened. > > Again, found the infamous "Urban Guerilla" in collection "Les Genies du Rock" > from Editions Atlas; this rare (?) monthly edition from the 80's is the usual > attempt to sell "Bring me the head of Y.G.", but hard to find except in France. > Also to sell, or trade. > > Olivier > B Speaking of that, I've seen copies lately of Cal. Brain. (Loki), BBC, SRII lately, for $4.99, used CD. I feel I should be snagging those up for someone, at those prices, before they're all gone... Also, Space Bandits, and some others... Charlie From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Feb 1 04:14:47 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:14:47 -0700 Subject: HW/OFF: Soft Themes For Root Canal vol 1 & 2 Dentistry!!! Message-ID: > I had to jump in here:) About 4 or 5 yrs ago, given the choice between > 18 root canals, caps, crowns & partial dentures-OUCH and yanking what > pitiful remains were left-I chose tha latter. Less ouch-well, in the > pocketbook anyhow:) I took a few tapes along for the 3 hr process. > Klause Schuze, TD & Rush were the choices:) I had enuf Liqid Valium in > me to really not care what I heard at the time:) Needles to say, the > floaty electronics work best:) best decision I ever made:)Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool ON TRIAL- LOPPEN, K?BENHAVN, DENMARK 1/31/98 80 kroner On Trial are a Danish band that I just found out about in the last few months. They play a style of psychedelic rock that ranges from Monster Magnet style to the more garagy Roky Erkison style. They have been around in various forms for 11 years and have released three lps, the most recent is Head Entrance on SPV out of Germany ( I got a copy of it on Helicopeter Records out of denmark, only 300 made on vinyl!). I also have the 2nd one called 70 kilometers of underwater nothingness, Kaptain! I spoke with the guitar player Henrik for quite a while and Delerium records in England has shown some interest in the next lp, which they will record this month (2/98). They were opening for Thee Headcoats from England this night but due to the freezing weather and lateness of the show, I did not stay to see them as I would have had to walk home (45 minutes) or take a taxi (125 kroner), so I opted out for the last bus at 12:23 near the club. On Trial were excellent! Very psychedelic and a cool low budget light show, but very effective! They played several new songs, two from Head Enterance and one from 70 kilometers. The sound mix was excellent and the crowd seem to be into it as well. A lot of their songs seem like they could have really wnet off in a psych jam in the middle but cut it short due to time. Henrik said that they have been known to really go off and play only 4 songs in an hour on occassion. He said they don't usually improvise much by stretching the songs out when they are opening act. I guess I can understand.. They did do a 15 minute version of Slip inside this House by Roky Erickson during the 50 minute set!! The set list was: Flashincast Sleeper As if I was In Cast it Aside Blood Butterfly Doubt Human Twin Slip Inside this House Encore: Psychotic Reaction (cover song) I got an excellent recording and it was a good time. Loppen is a cool place but way to smoky,ugh.. Scott ObCs- Magma- Kobenhavn 11-26-84 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Feb 1 08:25:49 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:25:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > Actually, the way I figure (which may be wrong), Doug Smith had > something to do with it. After all, consider that the band were > apparently REALLY pissed off at him for - as I recall - being hasty and > encouraging the band to be hasty with Distant Horizons. Please correct > me if I'm wrong. i don't know if that is right or wrong. what i do know about it is that they were pissed because the travel arrangements were never made for the US tour until it was so close that they almost didnt make it. something about managing chumbawumba in germany instead.but i HAD considered what you're saying a possibility. rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Sun Feb 1 14:06:31 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:06:31 -0700 Subject: Off; Clinton jokes. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980131235054.02ffcb7c@online.no> Message-ID: Had to pass these along; 1. What's the difference between Clinton & The Titanic? At least we know how many women went down on The Titanic.... 2. What does Clinton say to Hillary after sex? "I'll be home in about 20 minutes".... 3. Why does Clinton wear underwear? To keep his ankles warm...... ....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Feb 1 18:41:29 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:41:29 +0100 Subject: HW:OFF On Trial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:17 01.02.98 +0200, you wrote: > On Trial are a Danish band that I just found out about in the last >few months. They play a style of psychedelic rock that ranges from Monster >Magnet style to the more garagy Roky Erkison style. They have been around >in various forms for 11 years and have released three lps, the most recent >is Head Entrance on SPV out of Germany ( I got a copy of it on Helicopeter >Records out of denmark, only 300 made on vinyl!). I also have the 2nd one >called 70 kilometers of underwater nothingness, Kaptain! I can definitly vouch for this being a great psych band, having a dub of the latter lp from Scott. Great heavy guitar jams/songs and lyrics (too often non-native english speaking bands have somewhat below par lyrics when singing in english but not these guys). I can only imagine them covering The Count Five's "Psychotic Reaction" - wow! Must be up there with Monster Magnet doing Third Bardo's "Five Years Ahead of my Time"! Christian ObDentalWorkTuneNP: Walkin' With Jesus (Sound Of Confusion) - Spacemen 3 (Rollercoaster up next... zoooooooooooooooooom-chaaaaaaooooom-bwaaaawaaahwahhhhwaaaaaaaahhhh >ad infinitum<----------->>>) From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Feb 2 05:39:22 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:39:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc In-Reply-To: <34D477DD.6B5D1438@blackboard.com> Message-ID: Just thought that I would reply, in Doug's, defence on this issue. Doug re-joined the mothership, as we all know, a few years back. His remit was (and still is) purely as an adviser to sort out new releases and re-release of the back-catologue. As we know, this involved the setting-up of EBS and also involves getting back the rights to some of the older releases; eg. Choose your Masques, PXR5, Quark, etc etc. As you will notice, all of these classics are now on EBS, which means that the band have total control over them. You'll also notice that re-incarnations of the Anthology/Acid Daze material have stopped, and it won't be much longer until the Texts/Gagarin/In the Beginning/SR2 etc etc will be finally blocked and/or reverted to the bands control. (Don't buy the new 5CD boxed set though - this has slipped through, but legal action might yet stop it.) To cut a long story short, Doug and Eve have managed to get most of the back-catologue in great shape, in the control of EBS, and even the UA/EMI material is in better shape with regards to the bands income. (You won't believe the terms of the original contracts!) However, Doug IS NOT the band's manager let alone tour manager, and this he made very clear when he agreed to work with them several years ago. The fact that DH is being perceived as a below-par CD is nothing to do with Doug; after all, he doesn't write the music or play the instruments! It's just one of those things. Let's just accept that now and again, albums get released which are generally not well-received. Remember Astounding Sounds back in 1976? What a let-down after the mighty Warrior album? The next album hopefully will be back on course (just like Quark was), so let's not try and blame somebody else for a temporary laps in the band's creativity. Yes Doug did encourage the band to be hasty, but only because they had been months and months trying to finish the album. There was a tour looming imminently to promote it, and there's no point in doing an album-specific tout, with no album to promote! Hawkwind have had quite a few releases, well after the tour has been finished before, so why not try and get it out on time! Yes, Doug does have interests in other bands, but don't lets all assume those interests are at the expense of Hawkwind. Guy Thomas -------------------------------------------------------------------- DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > Actually, the way I figure (which may be wrong), Doug Smith had > something to do with it. After all, consider that the band were > apparently REALLY pissed off at him for - as I recall - being hasty and > encouraging the band to be hasty with Distant Horizons. Please correct > me if I'm wrong. i don't know if that is right or wrong. what i do know about it is that they were pissed because the travel arrangements were never made for the US tour until it was so close that they almost didnt make it. something about managing chumbawumba in germany instead.but i HAD considered what you're saying a possibility. rj From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 2 06:16:59 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:16:59 GMT Subject: Hurrah for Doug Smith! Message-ID: If it's true that he's managed to block more rereleases of the Neverending Permutations of The Acid Daze Tracks and is on course to do the same for the Yuri Gagarin/In the Beginning stuff then he's done Kollectors, not to mention the band, a huge service. FoFP From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 2 07:32:43 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:32:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: hi Guy, not a personal issue at all, but since this was posted in direct reponse to my post, i feel i need to respond. i said nothing that didnt come first hand, while my wife was trying to make travel arrangements for a band that was growing increasingly worried about said arrangements. dave called her during one of the studio recording sessions, and said what i posted. and while doug is obviously doing a fine job in the capacities you mentioned, he DOES act as manager. who was it who mediated the whole US tour from england? Doug. the point is, no one attacked doug. two people stated their personal experiences. this is a discussion list. discussions are likely to take place. ive spoken to doug a few times, and he seems like a nice person. that doesnt mean that HW might not be a little better off making a few more of their decisions for themselves. i dont pretend to know the way things work over there, but i do know that doug does make bigger decisions than when and by whom album-x is going to be released. i wouldnt say the album's wishy-washiness has anything to do with doug. i still firmly believe it was a time-issue, compounded by the recent changes within the band, as i have said before. but, you have made some valid points about improving the lot of HW collectors out there. i've seen that for myself. =) sorry if any of this seems nasty, i am a bit tired, and am typing to fast, most likely. > The next album hopefully will be back on course (just like Quark was), so let's > not try and blame somebody else for a temporary laps in the band's creativity. > Yes Doug did encourage the band to be hasty, but only because they had been > months and months trying to finish the album. There was a tour looming > imminently to promote it, and there's no point in doing an album-specific tout, > with no album to promote! Hawkwind have had quite a few releases, well after > the tour has been finished before, so why not try and get it out on time! that's all that was said, wasn't it? > Yes, Doug does have interests in other bands, but don't lets all assume those > interests are at the expense of Hawkwind. well, at the time, the BAND felt that way. and again, that's all that was said. have a good day, man rj (slinking off to bed) > Guy Thomas > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > > > Actually, the way I figure (which may be wrong), Doug Smith had > > something to do with it. After all, consider that the band were > > apparently REALLY pissed off at him for - as I recall - being hasty and > > encouraging the band to be hasty with Distant Horizons. Please correct > > me if I'm wrong. > > i don't know if that is right or wrong. what i do know about it is that they > were pissed because the travel arrangements were never made for the US tour > until it was so close that they almost didnt make it. something about > managing chumbawumba in germany instead.but i HAD considered what you're > saying a possibility. > > rj From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Feb 2 06:45:36 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:36 +1000 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings Message-ID: Hi all, This may be old news, but I just found that a Japanese label has re-released a stack of Amon Duul titles. Also I see that there is a ne w(?) release by Tubilah Dog called (funnily enough) "In Search of Plaice"!!! Here's the AD/ADII titles: AMON DUUL DISASTER AMON DUUL EXPERIMENTE AMON DUUL PARADIESWAERTS DUEUEL AMON DUUL PSYCHEDELIC UNDERGROUND AMON DUUL II CARNIVAL IN BABYLON AMON DUUL II KOBE AMON DUUL II LEMMINGMANIA AMON DUUL II LIVE IN LONDON AMON DUUL II LIVE IN TOKIO AMON DUUL II NADA MOONSHINE AMON DUUL II PHALLUS DEI AMON DUUL II TANZ DER LEMMINGE AMON DUUL II VIVE LA TRANCE AMON DUUL II WOLF CITY AMON DUUL II YETI Sonique From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Feb 2 08:16:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:16:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings Message-ID: On Monday, February 02, 1998 11:46 AM, Sonique [SMTP:sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU] wrote: > Hi all, > > This may be old news, but I just found that a Japanese label has re- > released > a stack of Amon Duul titles. > This'll be Captain Trip, I presume - they've released not only these, but the Space Explosion album, some Mick Farren/Deviants stuff (_Fragments of Broken Probes_ especially recommended!), some Neu! recordings, and lots besides. Best place I've found for getting hold of this stuff is http://www.forcedexposure.com - or is Sonic Bilby going to carry them too? :) -Andy ObCD: Deniz Tek - _Take it to the Vertical_ ObForthcomingRelease: Deniz Tek Group - _Equinox_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Feb 2 11:48:49 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:48:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: Hi rj, Great things these discussion lists! Sorry man, didn't mean to get personal in my response to your posting at all - I hope I didn't offend you - that was far from the intention, it was meant to be a general response. Having met Doug on many occasions, I regard him as one of my friends, I thought I would stand-up for him, as anybody would for their friends, since he is not a subscriber to the list. >hi Guy, >not a personal issue at all, but since this was posted in direct reponse to my >post, i feel i need to respond. >i said nothing that didnt come first hand, while my wife was trying to make >travel >arrangements for a band that was growing increasingly worried about said >arrangements. dave called her during one of the studio recording sessions, and >said what i posted. and while doug is obviously doing a fine job in the >capacities >you mentioned, he DOES act as manager. who was it who mediated the whole US >tour >from england? Doug. Well-volunteered on organising the US tour indeed! I'd bet that if you considered doing it on a full time basis, Doug would be really pleased , as he would dearly love to have a full-time tour-manager/organisrer. I know he wants to devote his time to the releases. He (and more so, Eve) actually do put in long hours over travel and other tour arrangements, you should be in their office on a typical day - organised chaos - and I know it gets them down! > ive spoken to doug a few times, and he seems like a nice person. that doesnt >mean that HW might not be a little better off making a few more of their >decisions for themselves. I don't pretend to know the way things work over >there, but i do know that doug does make bigger decisions than when and by >whom album-x is going to be released. Agreed - I know that Doug would love the band to make a few more decisions for themselves! >i wouldnt say the album's wishy-washiness has anything to do with doug. i >still firmly believe it was a time-issue, compounded by the recent changes >within the band, as i have said before. Agreed again! - I know that the band were pissed-off with the cover to DH, and Doug got the blame for that one (as commented on at the UK London gig!). I don't really know where the blame lies for the cover, but as Dave B. said himself, it looks like a gravestone! As to the wishy-washiness to the content I wholly agree. As I said in a previous posting, the four great tracks should have been released as an EP, and then it would have been acclaimed as a huge success, a milestone in the Hawkhistory - just like the Earth ritual EP was back in 1984. I mixed a promo video of Love-in-Space with Doug and a chap called Tony Korlander, which probably won't see the light of day now, (shame really 'cos it is superb!), but if you look at the texture of the front cover of DH, and the picture disc of Love-in-Space, and the video, you'll see that there is a common theme and the whole lot takes on a different perspective - suddenly thr cover of DH is acceptable again! Hastle somebody somewhere to get the released, as my only other contribution to HW vid releases was the Brixton 1992 show, and I feel a bit embarassed by that one. Keep on Hawkin' and sleep well (you'll be in the land of nod when you get this) Guy T. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Feb 2 13:00:46 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:00:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings Message-ID: Sonique booms... >This may be old news, but I just found that a Japanese label has re-released >a stack of Amon Duul titles. Yeah, that'll be Captain Trip. There is also another 'reconstructed improv' AD2 piece (like Kobe) that they did over there called 'Eternal Flashback'. A kollector's only item, I'd say. Of course, I've got one...figure that Andy does too. :) One strange thing is that one of these two (can't remember which offhand) ends with a 'sample' of Brock's opening riff from MotU. Guess it's the Dave Anderson link that led to this. ??? >Also I see that there is a ne w(?) release by Tubilah Dog called (funnily >enough) "In Search of Plaice"!!! Well, this is not exactly new...I figure it's two years old at least. Unless I'm mistaken, it's only been released on vinyl (how quaint!), on Vinyl Magic's Beard of Stars label in Italy. I think Scott Heller has one. I kind of balked at the vinyl thing, figuring maybe somebody would release it on CD. Has this happened, Paul?? And if so, could you get me one? What's the lineup on this one?? I think Steve Mills was the main guy, but I wonder if Jerry Richards did any playing on it. And do either of the TAT tracks appear on it? I quite liked 'Safe Zone' in particular. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Pyschedelic Paradise Live - Marble Sheep (JP) featuring Ken Matsutani (who founded Captain Trip Records) on Guitar & Vocals P.S. Sorry about my ignorance...what is Plaice?? I always wondered what that was. Maybe it's near Opa-Lo(c)ka. :) P.P.S. Well, I just went and looked it up...it's a fish of some sort. Perhaps the fabled Fredfish....or what was that crazy thing from Magick Brother?? From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Feb 2 13:10:23 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:10:23 -0500 Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: herbert rosenberg wrote: > Speaking of that, I've seen copies lately of Cal. Brain. (Loki), BBC, SRII lately, for $4.99, used CD. > I feel I should be snagging those up for someone, at those prices, before they're all gone... Also, Space Bandits, and some others... Yeah, and those Griffin CDs just keep dropping in price. I saw the following titles the other night for US$3: The Business Trip (digipak) Levitation Live '79 Do Not Panic (on Anagram, not Griffin) Independent Days Vol 1 & 2 (single CD) Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 Undisclosed Files Addendum Future Reconstructions Friends & Relations - The Rarities Mike Moorcock & Deep Fix - New World's Fair Simon House - Yassasim These are all brand new, not used or cutouts. If anyone needs these and can't find 'em locally, let me know. If I looked a little harder, I bet I could find Zones and Out & Intake as well. Still waiting for www.hawkwind.com to return...how will we know when _PXR5_ is going to come out? MWood NP: _Greatest Hits_ - Santana From kg at THING.DE Mon Feb 2 14:02:03 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:02:03 +0100 Subject: CALVERT: Update (Peter Hammill and more) Message-ID: there's more news on the spirit of the p/age - the Calvert site * a new entry to the WORLD ON CALVERT frames - by Van der Graaf mastermind PETER HAMMILL. I met him a few days ago when he did a (fantastic) gig in Berlin and interviewed him before. http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm ** another new page containing an illustrated poem by Calvert: CENTIGRADE 232 (containing a soundfile of Calvert reading the poem + a java applet) http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/centig.htm ---more to come soon--- kg From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 2 14:08:55 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:08:55 -0000 Subject: HW Cookies Message-ID: Anyone else noticed that there's a HW quote in one of the recent releases of Uinx (Solaris)? One of the cookies is: It is the business of the future to be dangerous. Hawkwind. Me? Sad? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 2 14:22:32 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:22:32 -0500 Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: I sure could use a copy of the Simon House, Moorcock and the Future Reconstructionists CD's, if you are willing to pick 'em up. What chain has been liquidating these jewels? (Haven't seen any around here in Atlanta, but I don't expect too much from most of 'em in the first place...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Wood To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 1:49 PM Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell >herbert rosenberg wrote: >> Speaking of that, I've seen copies lately of Cal. Brain. (Loki), BBC, SRII lately, for $4.99, used CD. >> I feel I should be snagging those up for someone, at those prices, before they're all gone... Also, Space Bandits, and some others... > >Yeah, and those Griffin CDs just keep dropping in price. I saw >the following titles the other night for US$3: > > The Business Trip (digipak) > Levitation > Live '79 > Do Not Panic (on Anagram, not Griffin) > Independent Days Vol 1 & 2 (single CD) > Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 > Undisclosed Files Addendum > Future Reconstructions > Friends & Relations - The Rarities > Mike Moorcock & Deep Fix - New World's Fair > Simon House - Yassasim > >These are all brand new, not used or cutouts. > >If anyone needs these and can't find 'em locally, let me know. >If I looked a little harder, I bet I could find Zones and Out & >Intake as well. > >Still waiting for www.hawkwind.com to return...how will we know >when _PXR5_ is going to come out? > >MWood > >NP: _Greatest Hits_ - Santana > From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Feb 2 15:00:39 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:39 -0500 Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: Craig Shipley! If Dane Carlson asks me one more time for your e-mail address, I'm gonna scream! :) Craig Shipley wrote: > I sure could use a copy of the Simon House, Moorcock and the Future > Reconstructionists CD's, if you are willing to pick 'em up. What chain has > been liquidating these jewels? (Haven't seen any around here in Atlanta, but > I don't expect too much from most of 'em in the first place...) I'm willing to try! You are the 3rd person to ask for the Simon House CD, so I'm not sure if there will be enough copies to go around, but I'll give it a shot. I've seen these CDs in the Coconuts (aka Record Town) chain. I won't be going back to Coconuts until next Tuesday, so you have some time to check in your area if you want to. I never would've expected to find these items in these stores, either. I usually avoid the "mall stores" like the plague. But after seeing a few BOC-L'ers mention this sale, I thought I'd try it out. Sure enough, there they were! They're all in a bargain bin, usually labelled something like "our biggest import sale ever"! I've visited 5 of these stores in my area, and found a lot of great stuff, not just Hawkwind. Let me know if you plan on looking in your area. I'm still looking for a few Griffins... MWood NP: _The Best of Eloy Vol. 1 1972-1975_ From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Feb 2 15:06:14 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:06:14 -0500 Subject: HW: CDs to trade or sell Message-ID: Oh man, I hate when I do that. MWood From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 2 15:09:14 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:09:14 -0700 Subject: BOC Album a question Message-ID: Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? L8er Ghost in the Ruins From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Feb 2 15:21:38 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:21:38 -0500 Subject: HW Cookies In-Reply-To: <01bd300e$01c05820$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > Anyone else noticed that there's a HW quote in one of the recent releases of > Uinx (Solaris)? One of the cookies is: > > It is the business of the future to be dangerous. > Hawkwind. This quote has been in the "fortune" command database for ages. I'd say at least BSD 4.3, if not earlier. AFAIK, it is the only Hawkwind-related fortune in there (or at least as far as OpenBSD 2.1 is concerned), i.e.: gromit% fortune -im hawkwind %% (fortunes) It is the business of the future to be dangerous. -- Hawkwind Cheers, Paul. obCD: Pink Floyd, _Meddle_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Feb 2 15:25:05 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:25:05 -0800 Subject: HW:OFF On Trial Message-ID: c mumford was the author of a message that said: >At 14:17 01.02.98 +0200, you wrote: >> On Trial are a Danish band that I just found out about in the last >>few months. They play a style of psychedelic rock that ranges from >>Monster Magnet style to the more garagy Roky Erkison style... Sounds very cool; one of these days I'll have to check this band out (thanks for keeping us informed, Scott)! >I can definitly vouch for this being a great psych band, having a dub of >the latter lp from Scott. Great heavy guitar jams/songs and lyrics (...). >I can only imagine them covering The Count Five's "Psychotic Reaction" - >wow! Is it just me, or does anyone else notice a strong similarity (both lyrically and musically, although not rhythmically) between the verses (but not the choruses) of "Psychotic Reaction" and "Brainbox Pollution"? Anyone know if Brock was listening to obscure 60s American garage bands in the early 1970s? >Must be up there with Monster Magnet doing Third Bardo's "Five Years Ahead >of my Time"! Or Inner City Unit doing "Hurricane Fighter Plane" and "Little Black Egg"? -Doug ceres at sirius.com >ObDentalWorkTuneNP: Walkin' With Jesus (Sound Of Confusion) - Spacemen 3 > (Rollercoaster up next... >zoooooooooooooooooom-chaaaaaaooooom-bwaaaawaaahwahhhhwaaaaaaaahhhh >ad >infinitum<----------->>>) ...lots of great DentalWork music on the first couple F/i albums (when they were more of a space-industrial band than space-rock) ... check out the 'Out of Time/Out of Space' CD... From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 2 15:20:26 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:20:26 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: What Mark said about Dave Brock applies to Edgar Froese, too! In-Reply-To: <01bd2d05$0becda00$1882d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In article <01bd2d05$0becda00$1882d681 at pyratl.mis.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >Damn, Mark, this could almost be the same complaint that I have with current >Tangerine Dream!! Substitute "Edgar Froese" for "Dave Brock", "Underwater >Sunlight" for "Electric Teepee" and Bob's your uncle!! Actually, I would substitute Lilly on the Beach instead of Underwater *Twilight* (I think). I very nearly gave up on TD once the Private Music era was over and they were releasing tosh like 220 Volts Live and the next studio album. When Goblins Club came out, I was shocked at the terrible sleeve and resolved to only buy it when at a sale price. This I did recently and much to my surprise, its actually pretty good, certainly the best they have done for some time. Don't know about Oasis or Tournado as I haven't got them yet but maybe they have turned the corner at last. Thanks for the tip about Electronic Orgy, do you have the label details please? Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 2 15:24:18 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:24:18 +0000 Subject: HW: OFF: What Mark said about Dave Brock applies to Edgar Froese, too! In-Reply-To: <1614411530011998/A09309/LNMV02/11C1F3E90D00*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <1614411530011998/A09309/LNMV02/11C1F3E90D00*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >Couldn't agree more with you Mark! DH should have been released as an EP of the >four decent tracks, and would have resulted as an HW gem, rather than a >somewhat indifferent release, with only a few good tracks lost amongst it! > >We definately need Live 79 re-released as the whole concert on double CD. THe >Hammersmith Odeon gigs of 1982 and 1984 (with Lemmy) need releasing in their >entirety too. (Both these were recorded). The Rainbow gig from 1981 would a >superb double CD too! A complete gig from 1989 should also be put out, again >maybe the Hammersmith show (with Simon House). > >Undisclosed files should be re-released as a 4CD boxed set with the 1988 (Dec) >Hammersmith gig and the 1984 winter gig (Sheffield?) too! > >I suppose all we can do is dream! Yup! The Finsbury Park Acid Daze would make a good release too. The atmosphere was really good and Lemmy guested for the encore Urban Guerilla which was out of this fucking world! Definitely one of my fave HW moments. Mark From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 2 16:21:17 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:21:17 -0000 Subject: HW Cookies Message-ID: Ages? Before IITBOTFTBD came out? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 02 February 1998 20:24 Subject: Re: HW Cookies >On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > >> Anyone else noticed that there's a HW quote in one of the recent releases of >> Uinx (Solaris)? One of the cookies is: >> >> It is the business of the future to be dangerous. >> Hawkwind. > >This quote has been in the "fortune" command database for ages. I'd say >at least BSD 4.3, if not earlier. AFAIK, it is the only >Hawkwind-related fortune in there (or at least as far as OpenBSD 2.1 is >concerned), i.e.: > >gromit% fortune -im hawkwind >%% (fortunes) >It is the business of the future to be dangerous. > -- Hawkwind > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Pink Floyd, _Meddle_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 2 16:30:36 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:30:36 -0500 Subject: BOC Album a question Message-ID: >Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? My guess is the same as "The Power Underneath Despair" for the Summerdaze release -- this was listed as produced by Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, and Steve Schenck. John From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Feb 2 16:47:52 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:47:52 -0500 Subject: BOC Album a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? > >L8er >Ghost in the Ruins last I heard Buck was handling those chores From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Feb 2 10:50:21 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:21 GMT Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o Message-ID: OK, before I forget... I just heard on the radio a great song but I have no idea what it was (they never said). Here are a few hints : - it often repeated the words "Don't kill the world" (sounded like it could be the title ?) ; - it was a rather long piece, kinda progressive if you consider that the first half was very different from the second ; - there were at least two voices singing in the first part (one sounding kinda like Jon Anderson - but I don't think it was him) and the second half sounded like a chorus of children (at least some of it). It's a really really cool song (IMHO) and I'd really appreciate it if someone could tell me what it is (Lil' AB, perhaps ? ;-). Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 2 15:56:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:56:02 EDT Subject: BOC Album a question In-Reply-To: <199802022130.QAA12365@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: From: John A Swartz > >Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? > > My guess is the same as "The Power Underneath Despair" for the > Summerdaze release -- this was listed as produced by Eric Bloom, > Buck Dharma, and Steve Schenck. > > John Quite likely true...I'm sure herr Schenck made a huge contribution to the project! theo From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Feb 3 09:10:35 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:10:35 EST Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings In-Reply-To: ; from "Sonique" at Feb 2, 98 09:45:36 pm Message-ID: > > Also I see that there is a ne w(?) release by Tubilah Dog called (funnily > enough) "In Search of Plaice"!!! > Im sure they released this on cassette,I guess its time to get out the hawkfans and check regards Marty From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 2 18:00:50 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:00:50 EST Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-02 16:52:36 EST, asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX writes: << - it often repeated the words "Don't kill the world" (sounded like it could be the title ?) ; >> Could be "Don't Kill The Whales"? A mid to late 80's song by Yes. R. From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Feb 2 18:38:06 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:38:06 -0700 Subject: BOC Album a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins > The producer is Gene Simmons of Kiss fame....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Feb 2 18:50:22 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:50:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? Message-ID: Hello all, I just got back from the library on my weekly cd run, and I happened across a cd by the title of Electric Dimension, by a band called Kraftwelt. Thereis no listing of the band members, and it gives an adress in Denmark to contact them. Does anyone know about this band? At first I thought I was getting a Kraftwerk cd, the cover is similar in design to something that they would have, and the music is very similar. Is this a Danish electronic band influenced by Kraftwerk, or is any of the members of Kraftwerk involved in this in any way? Thanks, Lost in space, Duane From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 2 17:59:28 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:59:28 EDT Subject: BOC Album a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? > > > > L8er > > Ghost in the Ruins > > > > The producer is Gene Simmons of Kiss fame....Manuel > Manuel, are you sure they sold you the kind of mushrooms you wanted for your pizza, or a...ah...substitute? theo From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Feb 2 18:59:22 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:59:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorpsycho Message-ID: Some Hawkwind-related stuff on the norwegian band Motorpsycho... always figured they were into Hawkwind.... for full versions go here http://vbh.idb.hist.no/mpsycho/media/casper.htm Christian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- METROPOOL Hengelo, The Netherlands 1993-09-18MC Intro Deathprod / Home Of The Brave / Hogwash / Nothing To Say / Feedtime / 21st Century Schizo?d Girl / Giftland / Blueberry Daydream / You Shouldn't Do That / Golden Core Motorpsycho at their heaviest. Early version of Golden Core with Snah(!!) on vocals. Hogwash done the original (Sabbath?) way. 21st Century Schizo?d Girl is a King Crimson song. You Shouldn't Do That was originally done by Hawkwind. Heavy version of Blueberry Daydream. "I have some 1500 records at home. You'll find a lot of stupid L.A. metal in there. When I was 19, I got a job at the local radio network. Everyone had a speciality, so I got a pop- history crash course in no time. When Motorpsycho started, we imagined a goal to make a crossover between Hawkwind, Sonic Youth and H^?sker D^?. I'm completely out of metal now , that's nice for a 10 year old. They're just like superheroes. Teenage Mutant Biohazard, haha. It lacks profoundity**. At Rock am Ring, during the Rage Against the Machine Show, I saw 50.000 people yelling "Fuck you, I won't do as you tell me". Isn't that ironic?" From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Feb 2 20:07:25 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:07:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o In-Reply-To: <6f298a03.34d65024@aol.com> Message-ID: At 18:00 02.02.98 EST, you wrote: >Could be "Don't Kill The Whales"? A mid to late 80's song by Yes. > >R. Such a subtle title, one is almost tempted to jump in a boat and bring a harpoon... hunt down Jon Anderson and a few whales... Ahab From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Feb 2 20:35:52 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:35:52 -0800 Subject: BOC: 1/31 Seattle Show Message-ID: Went to the show Saturday, it has to be the best BOC concert I've seen, at least as far as sound quality. Eric was at his ebullient best, and Buck was awesome. I could actually hear Allen's playing through the rest of the band, something not always true of past concerts. Eric's voice sounded fine, though he didn't sing on that many songs (6, I think). The show was at the King Cat Theatre, an actual theatre seating around 1000 (packed house), with great acoustics and not a bad seat in the house. Anyway, here is the set list: Stairway to the Stars Redcap ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie OD'd on Life Itself The Vigil Live For Me Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Last Days of May In Thee (acoustic/drumless) Burnin' Godzilla (w/great extended bass solo and drum solo) Reaper The Red & The Black (encore) I was disappointed in that they played only 1 song for an encore, but oh well. They seemed pretty tired by the end of the show (Alan, Buck, and Eric anyway), they had shows the previous and following nights. Got a taste of 'BOC Unplugged' when they played 'In Thee', with Alan on acoustic guitar - it sounded really nice. A couple of memorable moments; During the bass solo in Godzilla, and during Reaper, somebody managed to climb on stage and dance around a bit; both times, the roadies ran out and hurled them out into the crowd. Also, during the intro to Godzilla, when EB was doing his 'what's that I hear' bit, he uttered 'Uh oh, there goes Tukwila!', which is pretty f**king hilarious if you live around here (small hokey town, etc.). They also had new (since I last saw them) t-shirts for sale; black, with an ME-262 flying in a large blue circle on the front, and 'BOC - On Tour Forever' on the back. Went to get one after I'd got to my seat, and by then they were sold out. Looked really nice too. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Feb 2 20:42:50 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:42:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: old, short men In-Reply-To: <19980129104123.23285.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At the show on Saturday, a friend related a tale from his first BOC show (when Joe was still with them). After the opening band had played, a roadie walked out onto the stage, and one by one, lowered each mic by a foot. (I guess it proves the old saying that good things come in small packages). -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > Peter William Worley (inhaler at u.washington.edu) forwarded this message > ---------- > >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) > >Subject: Re: BOC: Agents Gold CD (fwd) > > > > i'm not interested in seeing a group of old, short men dance > >around trying in vain to expouse the melodies that at one time made > them > >relatively famous. > > what have you been doing lately you frapping dope mooch... > > > > me; i'm still alive, not sure how or why. > > > > viva la ned > > > > > Post your friend's address and let us _flame_ him chargrill > style!!(LOL):^> > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon Feb 2 20:44:40 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:44:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: 3/24 Album Confirmation Message-ID: Also, at the 1/31 show, Eric announced that the album will be out on March 24. -PWW -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Feb 2 22:43:57 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:43:57 -0500 Subject: HW Cookies In-Reply-To: <01bd3020$7fc8e180$db43a8c2@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > Ages? > > Before IITBOTFTBD came out? Yes. I have a vague recollection that the quote can originally be found within the bowels of the Hawkwind Log (i.e. circa _In Search Of Space_). Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _Red_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 2 22:54:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:54:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Distand Horizons/Dave Brock etc Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > Hi rj, > > Great things these discussion lists! Sorry man, didn't mean to get personal in > my response to your posting at all - I hope I didn't offend you - that was far > from the intention, it was meant to be a general response. not at all! i feared you would take it the wrong way. lately, i've been a bit paranoid, because not too long ago it seemed no matter what i posted it was mis-received.i only replied, because i dint want to be taken as having slandered ol' dougie. it was my phrasing that i was worried about. reading over it, i couldnt determine the over-all tone! > Well-volunteered on organising the US tour indeed! I'd bet that if you > considered doing it on a full time basis, Doug would be really pleased , as he > would dearly love to have a full-time tour-manager/organisrer. after careful consideration, i must politely decline this gracious offer. ;) > Agreed again! - I know that the band were pissed-off with the cover to DH, and > Doug got the blame for that one (as commented on at the UK London gig!). I > don't really know where the blame lies for the cover, but as Dave B. said > himself, it looks like a gravestone! As to the wishy-washiness to the content I > wholly agree. As I said in a previous posting, the four great tracks should > have been released as an EP, and then it would have been acclaimed as a huge > success, a milestone in the Hawkhistory - just like the Earth ritual EP was > back in 1984. to blame for the cover: the recent absence of alan authurs, i'd say. (just a guess.) > only other contribution to HW vid releases was the Brixton 1992 show, and I > feel a bit embarassed by that one. i think i have this. just the trio, right? all orangy and everything? > Keep on Hawkin' and sleep well (you'll be in the land of nod when you get this) my cats dint let me sleep. guess i'll sleep tonite.rj > > > Guy T. From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Feb 2 17:54:08 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:54:08 GMT Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o Message-ID: >>Could be "Don't Kill The Whales"? A mid to late 80's song by Yes. >> >>R. > >Such a subtle title, one is almost tempted to jump in a boat and bring a >harpoon... hunt down Jon Anderson and a few whales... *can't help laughing* Aaawww... c'mon, don't be mean with the guy ;-) This said, I suppose that could be it. I may have misunderstood "whales" for "world", I suppose. I am a bit surprised it really was Anderson's voice, though... it did sound like him, but it also sounded different at the same time. Weird. I guess I'll have to listen to that song to make sure. Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Feb 3 00:42:26 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:42:26 -0600 Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:00:50 EST Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-02 16:52:36 EST, asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX writes: ><< - it often repeated the words "Don't kill the world" (sounded like > it could be the title ?) ; >> > >Could be "Don't Kill The Whales"? A mid to late 80's song by Yes. Surely you mean mid to late 70's, right? DKtW was released in '78 on the Tormato album. Damon From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Feb 3 01:16:31 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:16:31 -0500 Subject: The X Brothers Message-ID: Hello Friends: Joe Bouchard, former bassist for Blue Oyster Cult, has a new album out with his band, The X Brothers on brother Albert's label, Cellsum Records. You'll find it at with graphic and soundbite. Any BOC fan is sure to love this as well as anyone who likes good ol' rock'n'roll. While you're there, don't forget to check out Albert's new Brain Surgeons album, Malpractice. We also have Buck Dharma's live video at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 05:47:43 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:47:43 GMT Subject: HW: OFF: What Mark said about Dave Brock applies to Edgar Froese, too! In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:20:26 +0000 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Actually, I would substitute Lilly on the Beach instead of Underwater > *Twilight* (I think). I very nearly gave up on TD once the Private Music > era was over and they were releasing tosh like 220 Volts Live and the > next studio album. Yep. I'd been a longtime TD fan (since Ricochet anyway) and gave up from Lily on the Beach onwards. > When Goblins Club came out, I was shocked at the > terrible sleeve and resolved to only buy it when at a sale price. This I > did recently and much to my surprise, its actually pretty good, > certainly the best they have done for some time. Don't know about Oasis > or Tournado as I haven't got them yet but maybe they have turned the > corner at last. Tournado mis as good as GC. Neither are a Force Majeure but I'd say the band are definitely back on track. Only about ten wasted years then. Other TD fans I know are pretty much of the same mind. > Mark FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 05:01:16 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:01:16 +0000 Subject: HW:Garage Influences In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980202122505.007a6770@sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980202122505.007a6770 at sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >Is it just me, or does anyone else notice a strong similarity (both >lyrically and musically, although not rhythmically) between the verses (but >not the choruses) of "Psychotic Reaction" and "Brainbox Pollution"? Anyone >know if Brock was listening to obscure 60s American garage bands in the >early 1970s? > >>Must be up there with Monster Magnet doing Third Bardo's "Five Years Ahead >>of my Time"! > >Or Inner City Unit doing "Hurricane Fighter Plane" and "Little Black Egg"? Anyone heard a track called "Magic Potion" by an outfit called The Open Mind (1969). I heard it on "Psychedahlia - Rare Blooms From The English Summer Of Love" _Very_Brainstorm-esque indeed, in it's phrasing as well as the riff. I'm certain DB was listen to "obscure" 60's Garage as it's hardly _that_ obscure! I mean, Psychotic Reaction is a) a hugely well known song and b) a clear rip of The Yardbirds "I'm A Man". IMHO ICU's best garage take was the cover of "I Wanna Come Back From The World Of LSD" by Fe Fi Four PLus Two (CD - Pebbles Vol #5 Various Morons) Five Years Ahead Of My Time, as well as Monster Magnet, has recently been covered by Primal Scream. The original is available on CD - Pebbles Vol. 3 Various Burnouts. Everyone should have the Pebbles stuff. It's required listening. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 05:04:00 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:04:00 +0000 Subject: HW Cookies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >Yes. > >I have a vague recollection that the quote can originally be found >within the bowels of the Hawkwind Log (i.e. circa _In Search Of Space_). s'on the Space Ritual cover, innit? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 04:41:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:41:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? In-Reply-To: <199802022350.SAA18949@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: In article <199802022350.SAA18949 at piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Duane Hoyt writes >Hello all, > >I just got back from the library on my weekly cd run, and I happened across >a cd by the title of Electric Dimension, by a band called Kraftwelt. >Thereis no listing of the band members, and it gives an adress in Denmark >to contact them. Does anyone know about this band? At first I thought I >was getting a Kraftwerk cd, the cover is similar in design to something >that they would have, and the music is very similar. Is this a Danish >electronic band influenced by Kraftwerk, or is any of the members of >Kraftwerk involved in this in any way? > >Thanks, > >Lost in space, > >Duane Briefly, it's a tribute album. My local HMV has a copy which they tell me has been returned three times. I've not heard it, but when I nearly bought it the other day, I was strongly advised against. As they say, YMMV. -- Jon Browne From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 06:19:44 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:19:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts In-Reply-To: <199801260514.XAA11880@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:14:10 -0600 DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > To the Brits in the audience tonight... > Is the following REALLY true, and - if so - what exactly is the > justification behind it? Apologies for being so OFF, but > curiousity has gotten to me once again. > > > In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak. > > It just seems like a bit of a double-take to us Americans. > > Thanks, > Damon The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Feb 3 06:32:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:32:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings Message-ID: On Monday, February 02, 1998 6:01 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > > Yeah, that'll be Captain Trip. There is also another 'reconstructed > improv' > AD2 piece (like Kobe) that they did over there called 'Eternal Flashback'. > > A kollector's only item, I'd say. Of course, I've got one...figure that > Andy does too. :) Well, yes I do, but if I was really a kollector I'd have spent 50 quid on that 4-cd compilation which had one otherwise unavailable track :) There are limits!! Having said that, I did buy the Captain Trip CD of _Yeti_ when I already had the Mantra edition, just to get the full version of "Pale Gallery" (which of course I always had on LP)... Did you get _Space Explosion_ yet, btw? The US version's been out for a couple of weeks (on Cleopatra/Purple Pyramid). -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 07:33:46 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:33:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings In-Reply-To: <199802021800.NAA03697@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: >Yeah, that'll be Captain Trip. There is also another 'reconstructed improv' >AD2 piece (like Kobe) that they did over there called 'Eternal Flashback'. >A kollector's only item, I'd say. Of course, I've got one...figure that >Andy does too. :) >One strange thing is that one of these two (can't remember which offhand) >ends with a 'sample' of Brock's opening riff from MotU. That's _Kobe_, for anyone thinking of dashing out and buying it! - Alun >Guess it's the Dave >Anderson link that led to this. ??? From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Feb 3 07:54:22 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:54:22 -0500 Subject: HW It is the business...quote Message-ID: Someone was asking about the origin of the Calvert quote: "It is the business of the future to be dangerous." In terms of Hawkwind, this quote first appeared in the In Search of Space log book. I should point out however that the quote is virtually directly from Nietzsche, found in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra". When I first read the Hawkwind log, I laughed and laughed because I recognized the quote and I thought Calvert was being terribly funny, by hijacking this sentence and putting it into a spacerock contest. Calvert was a witty guy! The trouble is that now I can't remember if Nietzche wrote "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" or if the word "future" was substituted by something else (such as "ubermensche" or something). Does anyone know for certain? My memory gets fuzzier over time... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 08:09:14 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:09:14 +0000 Subject: HW:Garage Influences Message-ID: On tis 3 feb 1998 10.01 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Anyone heard a track called "Magic Potion" by an outfit called The Open > Mind (1969). I heard it on "Psychedahlia - Rare Blooms From The English > Summer Of Love" _Very_Brainstorm-esque indeed, in it's phrasing as well > as the riff. Sundial covered this on _Return Journey_. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Feb 3 08:05:26 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:05:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? Message-ID: Reply to message from jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK of Tue, 03 Feb > >In article <199802022350.SAA18949 at piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Duane Hoyt > writes >>Hello all, >> >>I just got back from the library on my weekly cd run, and I happened across >>a cd by the title of Electric Dimension, by a band called Kraftwelt. >>Thereis no listing of the band members, and it gives an adress in Denmark >>to contact them. Does anyone know about this band? At first I thought I >>was getting a Kraftwerk cd, the cover is similar in design to something >>that they would have, and the music is very similar. Is this a Danish >>electronic band influenced by Kraftwerk, or is any of the members of >>Kraftwerk involved in this in any way? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Lost in space, >> >>Duane > >Briefly, it's a tribute album. My local HMV has a copy which they tell >me has been returned three times. I've not heard it, but when I nearly >bought it the other day, I was strongly advised against. As they say, >YMMV. > >-- >Jon Browne > > Thanks Jon, I'm glad it was at the library, and I got to check it out at no cost. After listening to it, it really didn't go anywhere. In fact, I couldn't even listen to it to the end. It was unimaginative. Lost in Space, Duane From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 3 08:37:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:37:07 -0700 Subject: BOC New Album Message-ID: Anybody out here know who the producer is on the new album? > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins > >My guess is the same as "The Power Underneath Despair" for the >Summerdaze release -- this was listed as produced by Eric Bloom, >Buck Dharma, and Steve Schenck. >John >The producer is Gene Simmons of Kiss fame....Manuel Who am I to believe here? JS faithful keeper of the FAQ? Manuel who's probably seen our hero's more times than anybody alive? Decisions, decisions. C'mon Manuel, you are not serious are you? I don't think thats necesarry a bad thing mind you, just a tad hard to swallow. Alex> It's a really really cool song (IMHO) and I'd really appreciate it if someone could tell me what it is (Lil' AB, perhaps ? ;-). Thanks Well guy I'd love to help but I don't listen to much radio. When I do its usually the GreaseMan in the morning on Classic Rock (too much Elton John) or Talk radio in the evening. Stations here are absolutely putrid. Best I can get is 98 Rock from B'more but only in certain locations. Still I would think its Yes. Whats this you can get HW Live '79 for $3.00? Any die hard BOC fans if you ever wanted to hear some HW (rockin' version that is) grab this sucker. L8er Ghost In the Ruins OBCD - Saigon Kick, Water From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Feb 3 08:01:29 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:01:29 +1100 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? In-Reply-To: <199802031305.IAA29603@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Duane Hoyt > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 1998 11:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Kraftwelt? > > I'm glad it was at the library, and I got to check it out at no cost. > After listening to it, it really didn't go anywhere. In fact, I couldn't > even listen to it to the end. It was unimaginative. Well, I for one really love the album. It's actually by a fairly well known Danish electronic band who's name eludes me for the moment. But seeing as you didn't really like it, I won't wrack my brain for the name of the band it is that made it.... - Max Wilcox From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Feb 3 09:17:28 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:17:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Trips 3 Message-ID: hi, just got the latest strange trips 'zine. wanted to let everyone know it was out there, incase sanyone missed bob's post. a really nice job on this one. really well put together. for a copy, send 3$ to strange trips/4485 w. 130 st./cleveland, OH 44135. the zine is easily worth the 3$, and it's to cover costs. also, if anyone is still looking to round out their cd collections, jim has quite a few HW titles for sale. I believe these are all new, its a distributorship thing. He sems to have most of the griffin stuff, all the emi issue, and a good amount of ebs material. let me know if anyone wants the list, and i'll post it when i have more time.. average price is 17$ single disc or 25 for the remasters. this includes postage. be sure to read the article jim wrote on the evil that is sweeping this nation, known as urinalysis. rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 08:27:46 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:27:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Widdows writes > >The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the >politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone >who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. Now, that's not very peaceandlovenewagewarrior, is it? I think after 50 years, you could expect anything from anyone. What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! Just set me straight here. Betty Boothroyd was a stripper in the, what, 1940's??? Are you completely sure about that? -- Jon Who couldn't possibly be a Zen Master in 50 years, cos he's just running a comic shop now. From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Wed Feb 4 09:39:23 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:39:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I call it how I see it. Nothing wrong with strippers, but is a position of (sort of) power a good idea? On the other hand.... OK, so maybe the date was SLIGHTLY inaccurate.... ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Feb 3 10:02:50 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. Message-ID: At 01:27 PM 2/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >In article , Nick Widdows > writes >> >>The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the >>politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone >>who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. > >Now, that's not very peaceandlovenewagewarrior, is it? > >I think after 50 years, you could expect anything from anyone. > >What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! > >Just set me straight here. Betty Boothroyd was a stripper in the, what, >1940's??? Are you completely sure about that? > Yeah, what is wrong with strippers? I am married to an ex-stripper, her girlfriend (and our room mate) is one now and my girlfriend is an semi-retired one. Yes, that sound weird, but it's really not as weird as it sound. -- Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 3 10:05:48 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:05:48 EST Subject: BOC New Album Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-03 08:47:11 EST, Lil AB wrote: << I don't think thats necessary a bad thing mind you, just a tad hard to swallow. >> Probably not the best phrasology in light of the recent Clinton stuff... ;-) R. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 10:17:25 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > >The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the > >politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone > >who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. > > What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! I think the slightly less lurid truth is that Betty Boothroyd was once in a chorus line. I'm not an expert on the commons, but the Speaker does have more to do than shout "order"; she selects who gets to speak from the multitudes waving their papers in the air - this isn't necessarily a random selection as certain people will have more important contributions to make, and it is her business to know who these people are; she also rules on whether certain items of business are allowed to be added to the agenda (from time to time an MP will demand an unscheduled debate about some crisis or other); she also gets to arbitrate on constitutional matters, such as the recent controversy as to whether or not Sinn Fein's MPs were to be allowed into the commons without swearing allegiance to the crown. Probably other stuff besides....she seems very well respected, and this doesn't happen just because you know how to shout. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Feb 2 22:20:43 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:20:43 +0800 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? Message-ID: >I just got back from the library on my weekly cd run, and I happened across >a cd by the title of Electric Dimension, by a band called Kraftwelt. >Thereis no listing of the band members, and it gives an adress in Denmark >to contact them. Does anyone know about this band? At first I thought I >was getting a Kraftwerk cd, the cover is similar in design to something >that they would have, and the music is very similar. Is this a Danish >electronic band influenced by Kraftwerk, or is any of the members of >Kraftwerk involved in this in any way? > There is a link. I can't remember exactly what but, according to Future Music magazine, it features one or two members. I'll have a look in the mags for more info. William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Feb 3 09:38:28 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:38:28 +1100 Subject: OFF: FW: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Nick Widdows > Sent: Thursday, 5 February 1998 12:39 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: FW: weird facts - bollocks more like. > > > Sorry, I call it how I see it. Nothing wrong with > strippers.... SNIP>>> I *could* get into an argument about what I think is wrong with strippers, but for the sake of the general sanity of all, I shan't... - Max Wilcox From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 3 11:02:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:02:19 -0500 Subject: BOC New Album Message-ID: >>>My guess is the same as "The Power Underneath Despair" for the >Summerdaze release -- this was listed as produced by Eric Bloom, >Buck Dharma, and Steve Schenck. >John >The producer is Gene Simmons of Kiss fame....Manuel Who am I to believe here? JS faithful keeper of the FAQ? Manuel who's probably seen our hero's more times than anybody alive? Decisions, decisions. C'mon Manuel, you are not serious are you? Well, our friend Manuel has developed a sense of humor concerning the new album, it would seem. Didn't he tell us last week about the new BOC single called "Gosh Gee" with a Buck Mandolin solo? I don't know for a fact who the producer is, but I'm 99% sure that Manuel's yanking our chains again. While Gene has produced some records, I don't think he and BOC are exactly buddies these days. John From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Feb 3 11:02:30 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:02:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: What is this song ??? HEEELP !!! :-o Message-ID: Hi Alex, Sounds a bit like, Don't Kill The Whale by Yes but I guess You know that song...Nah, probably not, but try it anyway, best version is on Yesshows, the original version is on Tormato. Greetings from The Pretentious One >OK, before I forget... I just heard on the radio a great song but I have no >idea what it was (they never said). Here are a few hints : > - it often repeated the words "Don't kill the world" (sounded like >it could be the title ?) ; > - it was a rather long piece, kinda progressive if you consider that >the first half was very different from the second ; > - there were at least two voices singing in the first part (one >sounding kinda like Jon Anderson - but I don't think it was him) and the >second half sounded like a chorus of children (at least some of it). > It's a really really cool song (IMHO) and I'd really appreciate it >if someone could tell me what it is (Lil' AB, perhaps ? ;-). Thanks ! > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > >--------------------------------------------------- >Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ >Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ >--------------------------------------------------- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 3 10:07:06 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:07:06 EDT Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Hardman DK > > > > What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! > > I think the slightly less lurid truth is that Betty Boothroyd was once in > a chorus line. > Who gives a flyin' fuck if she WAS a stripper? The provinciality and narrow-mindedness I see on Rock music listserves never ceases to blow my mind! And it's usually put forth by young people! Whatever became of the youth who wanted to push the envelope, to puncture the stuffiness of social propriety? Christian, where are ya when we need you? You must be dying of shame to see the views of other youngsters? Personally, I don't care if she used to be in porno. Isn't there an Italian congresswoman who used to do porno [maybe it was soft-core?]? Glad to see some parts of the world aren't hung up on what people wish to do with their bodies! > I'm not an expert on the commons, but the Speaker does have more to do > than shout "order"; she selects who gets to speak from the multitudes > waving their papers in the air - this isn't necessarily a random selection > as certain people will have more important contributions to make, and it > is her business to know who these people are; she also rules on whether > certain items of business are allowed to be added to the agenda (from time > to time an MP will demand an unscheduled debate about some crisis or > other); she also gets to arbitrate on constitutional matters, such as the > recent controversy as to whether or not Sinn Fein's MPs were to be allowed > into the commons without swearing allegiance to the crown. Probably other > stuff besides....she seems very well respected, and this doesn't happen > just because you know how to shout. > I think the whole point of the speaker not being able to 'speak' is that she is thus supposedly not beholden to either party. Personally, I'd be happy as hell if our Speaker in the states wasn't allowed to speak at all... theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Feb 3 11:39:42 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:39:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts Message-ID: Nick Widdows wrote: > > > The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the > politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone > who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. Dancer. Not stripper. And I believe she's from Huddersfield. So don't knock her. OK? :-) Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Only the Meteors are Pure Psychobilly (still!) From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 3 12:41:57 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:41:57 -0000 Subject: HW Cookies Message-ID: Makes sense - I haven't got the log book you see... Thanks for all the replies. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 03 February 1998 03:46 Subject: Re: HW Cookies >On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > >> Ages? >> >> Before IITBOTFTBD came out? > >Yes. > >I have a vague recollection that the quote can originally be found >within the bowels of the Hawkwind Log (i.e. circa _In Search Of Space_). > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: King Crimson, _Red_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Feb 3 12:44:33 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:44:33 -0600 Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd Message-ID: I have some news from Rob Godwin, plus a complete shot-in-the-dark request. First, Rob just sent me some e-mail saying (slightly edited) The Griffin Music Hawkwind CDs are still available by mail order from: http://www.cgpublishing.com There is a link there to Griffin which is still in business. It was bought out by a British telecommunications company and CGP is still handling the mail order sales of the old inventory. Anything that is on the Griffin site can still be ordered by check or money order from CGP at our address. Also, he has a question about the only gig where Hawkwind played on the same bill as Pink Floyd. The show is listed as being in Bourget, France, on March 30, 1970. The festival name is "La Festival Musique Evolution", played at the Hall des Expositions, Bourget, France. Here are my questions first. 1) I have a Hawkwind gig listed on March 29, 1970, in Paris at a festival. Is this the same show? I believe that the March 30 date for the festival is correct. 2) I'm pretty sure that Paris has a venue called "Le Bourget". Is this place they played for that gig? If so, is it really in Paris or is it only near Paris? Now, Rob's question is that he is looking for an advert for the show for the book he is writing on the history of Progressive Rock. Does anyone have such an advertisement? If not, does anyone have any leads at all as to how he might obtain one? Thanks for the help. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Actual sign in jewelry store window: "Ears pierced while you wait" From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Feb 3 13:44:21 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:44:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Hello I'm back yet again Message-ID: hello yes, another hawkwind phase, my oh my.. i recently got nik turner's space ritual 94.. it is actually better than i expected.. anyone see that show? i heard it was quite something (from reviews).. are there any online hw histories floating about? i want to know why nik was cut from the band back in 76 (?).. also any suggections for new hw cd's worth getting? the most recent i have is teepee, someone told me business wasnt worth getting.. alien 4 is sposed to be good (how does it compare to teepee?), and i'm not sure about the new one (is it true theres a new lead singer? i can't imagine hw without dave singing tho!) well thats enough for now.. nice to be back! wal from the boston-area (anyone?) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 3 09:41:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:41:27 +0000 Subject: HW:Garage Influences In-Reply-To: <52276.3095500154@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <52276.3095500154 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl E Anderson writes >> Anyone heard a track called "Magic Potion" by an outfit called The Open >> Mind (1969). I heard it on "Psychedahlia - Rare Blooms From The English >> Summer Of Love" _Very_Brainstorm-esque indeed, in it's phrasing as well >> as the riff. > > Sundial covered this on _Return Journey_. > >Cheers, >Carl 1) Any Good? 2) Did it remind you of Brainstorm at all? -- Jon Browne From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Feb 3 13:59:37 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:59:37 -0500 Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd Message-ID: >From: Frank Weil >Also, he has a question about the only gig where Hawkwind played on >the same bill as Pink Floyd. The show is listed as being in Bourget, >France, on March 30, 1970. The festival name is "La Festival Musique >Evolution", played at the Hall des Expositions, Bourget, France. >Here are my questions first. >1) I have a Hawkwind gig listed on March 29, 1970, in Paris at a > festival. Is this the same show? I believe that the March 30 date > for the festival is correct. >2) I'm pretty sure that Paris has a venue called "Le Bourget". Is > this place they played for that gig? If so, is it really in Paris > or is it only near Paris? >Now, Rob's question is that he is looking for an advert for the show >for the book he is writing on the history of Progressive Rock. Does >anyone have such an advertisement? If not, does anyone have any leads >at all as to how he might obtain one? I'll refer you to the Pink Floyd Archives, run by Vernon Fitch. His e-mail is Vernon_Fitch at cch.com. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 14:08:55 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:08:55 GMT Subject: OFF: In Search of - [sm] In-Reply-To: dave cohen's message of Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:11:30 -0500 Message-ID: dave cohen writes: > i never received my order, luckily i had ordered > via credit card and was able to successfully dispute > the charge. > > at any rate, [sm]'s current email address seems to be: > > sm.mfr at virgin.net > Just to say that I went up to Stirling at the weekend to check up on the Unit they used to have but everything was closed and I couldn't get access. Their Unit was one in an small Industrial Estate called Stirling Enterprise Park and the name Fourth World is still up on the listings board outside. However when I phoned the Reception area today I was told that they moved out about 6 months ago. If I get a chance I'll check to see whether mfr have taken over instead but the Property Office line was busy and I haven't had time to call again. jill > with his last posting on 1/17 (per Dejanews) > > people might be able to complain to his ISP or post > on newsgroups where he has, letting folks know he is not > reliable. which is probably what i will do now (i had thought > that i was the only one still awaiting merchandise and > was prepared to let the matter drop, but it seems worthwhile > to warn people on the net) > > > best luck, > > --dave > lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > > > > > > At 18:53 27.01.98 +0200, you wrote: > > >Are there still people who waiting they stuff from sm (4thworld)? > > > > Yes, I am waiting (without hope) too :-(( > > The have received 120 DM (= 40 Pounds) from me. And I've received NOTHING > > > > Bernhard > > > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Feb 3 16:20:29 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:20:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:27 03.02.98 +0000, you wrote: >-- >Jon >Who couldn't possibly be a Zen Master in 50 years, cos he's just running a comic >shop now. Jon, I always though running a comics shop was the One True Path To Enlightenement! Have I been wrong all these years??? As for strippers/dancers/whatever who cares, though I laugh at dumb ones thinking of it as "a career" rather than say, a way of getting you through college. Yeah, theo, the italian politician is Cicciolina something. But IMO italians have a screwed up view on politics tho hey, if it gets her votes, d'oh, let the dumb fucks vote her in on the basis of her tit flashing. Just look at the state of Italy's parliament - a friggin circus. No wonder they need the mafia to run the place - sheesh. And people wonder why there are so many Mussolini nutters in Italy still, well, it obviously is a desperate need too get the trains to run on time again. Christian From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Feb 3 17:30:10 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:30:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Kraftwelt? Message-ID: Reply to message from s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU of Tue, 03 Feb > >> Subject: Re: OFF: Kraftwelt? >> >> I'm glad it was at the library, and I got to check it out at no cost. >> After listening to it, it really didn't go anywhere. In fact, I couldn't >> even listen to it to the end. It was unimaginative. > > Well, I for one really love the album. It's actually by a fairly well known >Danish electronic band who's name eludes me for the moment. But seeing as >you didn't really like it, I won't wrack my brain for the name of the band >it is that made it.... > >- Max Wilcox > > I would have to say, I didn't hate it, actually the first half of it was alright, but it just seemed uninspired, and by the time it was 3/4 into the cd, it all started to sound the same. I usually will record anything I find at the library if I enjoy it, but for some reason, this is one I will not record. Lost in Space, Duane From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Feb 3 17:34:04 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. Message-ID: Reply to message from mlooney at IONET.NET of Tue, 03 Feb > >At 01:27 PM 2/3/98 +0000, you wrote: > >Yeah, what is wrong with strippers? I am married to an ex-stripper, her >girlfriend (and our room mate) is one now and my girlfriend is an >semi-retired one. Yes, that sound weird, but it's really not as weird as it >sound. >-- Let me get this straight, your married to an ex-stripper, and your girlfriend is semi-retired. This is way cool. Lost in Space, Duane From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Feb 3 17:40:28 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:40:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980203222029.03016324@online.no> Message-ID: >IMO italians have a screwed up view on politics tho hey, if it gets her >votes, d'oh, let the dumb fucks vote her in on the basis of her tit >flashing. Just look at the state of Italy's parliament - a friggin circus. >No wonder they need the mafia to run the place - sheesh. And people wonder >why there are so many Mussolini nutters in Italy still, well, it obviously >is a desperate need too get the trains to run on time again. commenting on myself here, not like I'm implying there are that many better systems in the political world, or that all Italians are fascists and gangsters! It probably came off like that though--- :) Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 18:40:05 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:40:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Hello I'm back yet again Message-ID: On tis 3 feb 1998 13.44 -0500 Walrus wrote: > i recently got nik turner's space ritual 94.. it is actually better than i > expected.. anyone see that show? i heard it was quite something Yup, and it was. The CD doesn't come close to doing it justice. > also any suggections for new hw cd's worth getting? the most recent i have > is teepee, someone told me business wasnt worth getting.. alien 4 is > sposed to be good (how does it compare to teepee?), and i'm not sure about > the new one (is it true theres a new lead singer? i can't imagine hw > without dave singing tho!) Alien 4 is pretty good, IMO. I think it's high points aren't as high as ET, but it's low points aren't as low either. IITBOTFTBD is, IMO, pretty crap. The live _The Business Trip_ is pretty cool though, as is the live _Love in Space_ (which contains the only released decent version of "LIS" other than the VH-1 performance). _Distant Horizons_ isn't _bad_, but it is very uneven. It's got some quite good tracks and some rubbish. All IMO :) The new front man is Ron Tree, and the new lead guitarist is Jerry Richards. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 18:42:06 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:42:06 +0000 Subject: HW:Garage Influences Message-ID: On tis 3 feb 1998 14.41 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <52276.3095500154 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl E Anderson > writes >>> Anyone heard a track called "Magic Potion" by an outfit called The Open >>> Mind (1969). I heard it on "Psychedahlia - Rare Blooms From The English >>> Summer Of Love" _Very_Brainstorm-esque indeed, in it's phrasing as well >>> as the riff. >> >> Sundial covered this on _Return Journey_. > > 1) Any Good? It rules utterly. > 2) Did it remind you of Brainstorm at all? Actually, it reminded me more of "Master of the Universe"! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 3 19:00:47 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:00:47 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: I have, of course, mislaid Steve's address ... Anyway, Steve, if you're out there: Last autumn I bought a Mac-version ICU CD-ROM from you and gave it to my girlfriend Tania. Being quick off the mark, she's just been checking it out ;) and is having trouble getting the video files to work. Since she and the disk are in the US, I'm not a useful mediator here. Could you drop her a line if you've any ideas about how best to get the video mp3's working? I've cc:d her on this email ... Cheers Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Feb 3 20:35:25 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:35:25 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. Message-ID: At 05:34 PM 2/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >Reply to message from mlooney at IONET.NET of Tue, 03 Feb >> >>At 01:27 PM 2/3/98 +0000, you wrote: > >> >>Yeah, what is wrong with strippers? I am married to an ex-stripper, her >>girlfriend (and our room mate) is one now and my girlfriend is an >>semi-retired one. Yes, that sound weird, but it's really not as weird as it >>sound. >>-- >Let me get this straight, your married to an ex-stripper, and your >girlfriend is semi-retired. This is way cool. > You left out that my wife's girlfriend is an active "exotic dancer" It's still not as weird as it sounds. But it weirder than most people can deal with. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Feb 3 22:38:45 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:38:45 -0500 Subject: HW: more from me i'm afraid Message-ID: ok so i have gathered thusly far that: i) the 1999 party cd is worth getting ii) alien 4 may be worth getting iii) love in space may be worth getting the problem is, in the US these cd's are imports.. i've seen love in space go for round US$30-35, which is quite eeky (even for a double cd).. the question on everyone's lips tho is: whats the deal with del's axe-synth-thing ?? also, where is the boc-l ftp/www site these days? and does it still have all those lovely gifs of hw/nethawks ? wal ps. a year or so ago i bumped into a fellow (ex) nethawk in the supermarket! go figure! (we didnt know each other btw) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 3 23:50:06 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:50:06 -0500 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! In-Reply-To: <113483.3095539247@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl writes: > you've any ideas about how best to get the video mp3's working? I've cc:d Doesn't mp3 indicate MPEG layer 3 audio, i.e. these are not video files at all?? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mot\"orhead, _On Parole_ (EMI remaster) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 4 02:39:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:39:33 -0500 Subject: HW: more from me i'm afraid Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > the problem is, in the US these cd's are imports.. i've seen love in space > go for round US$30-35, which is quite eeky (even for a double cd).. jim lascko of strange trips has LIS on vinyl as well as on cd, for 25$ US each. this includes postage.He's also got alien4 for 24/17$, respectively.you can e-mail him for details at... jmfinity at now-online.com i happily vouch for jim. > the question on everyone's lips tho is: > whats the deal with del's axe-synth-thing ?? huh?rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 4 03:06:30 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:06:30 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: >> you've any ideas about how best to get the video mp3's working? I've cc:d > > Doesn't mp3 indicate MPEG layer 3 audio, i.e. these are not video files > at all?? Well, I think MP3 encodes video, since I'm pretty sure I saw these files run in Windows with an MP3 player. But not having a CD-ROM drive, I wasn't able to see how to make the Mac version work on my own machine. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Wed Feb 4 03:48:14 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:48:14 +0200 Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <9802031144.ZM12523@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: In message ID <9802031144.ZM12523 at unknown.zmail.host> on 3/02/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: > 2) I'm pretty sure that Paris has a venue called "Le Bourget". Is > this place they played for that gig? If so, is it really in Paris > or is it only near Paris? Le Bourget, is a town near Paris, which has an airport and some huge exhibition show rooms, mainly for seminars, congress; but I did not know about any gigs there. Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 04:45:03 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:45:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: <25B25656836@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <25B25656836 at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" writes >Isn't there an Italian congresswoman who used to do porno [maybe it >was soft-core?]? Her name was Ciccolene, and it *wasn't* soft-core! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 4 06:00:36 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:00:36 GMT Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:44:33 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > Now, Rob's question is that he is looking for an advert for the show > for the book he is writing on the history of Progressive Rock. Does > anyone have such an advertisement? If not, does anyone have any leads > at all as to how he might obtain one? I'm sure I've seen the copy of a poster for this show reproduced in one of the Hawkwind history books - either Kris Tait's or Dave Watson's or maybe even Trev Hughes'. Or perhaps my memory deceives me utterly. I'll browse through the bookshelves later. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 05:27:21 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:27:21 +0000 Subject: HW: more from me i'm afraid In-Reply-To: <34D81B35.44BEC62D@blackboard.com> Message-ID: >> the question on everyone's lips tho is: >> whats the deal with del's axe-synth-thing ?? > ten bucks a bag -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 05:43:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:43:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Widdows writes >Sorry, I call it how I see it. Nothing wrong with >strippers, but is a position of (sort of) power a good >idea? On the other hand.... What? WHAT? What, in fact, the f..? Yes, it's a good idea! It's a great idea to have people who aren't screwed up in positions of power. That's why I like people like Tony Banks. (But seeing as the interests of those who govern are in reality so wildly different to the interests of those being governed it's probably for the best that many in power are such inneffectual farts.) Not that I'm particularly interested in Parliamentary prodedure, leaning more to Anarcho-liberalism, but Boothroyd strikes me as intelligent and as having integrity. I think you might re-appraise your critia for judging people's value, Nick. The woman has been Parliamentary Speaker for several years now. In what way do you feel her performance could have been improved? How do you feel her past has affected her work? What precisely draws you to cast aspersions? I'm intrigued. Not that this has a lot to do with HW in the first place. Funny place for moralising, BOC-L. I thought the place was full of 'ippies myself. -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 4 06:38:24 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:38:24 EDT Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > In article , Nick Widdows > writes > >Sorry, I call it how I see it. Nothing wrong with > >strippers, but is a position of (sort of) power a good > >idea? On the other hand.... > > > What? WHAT? What, in fact, the f..? > > Yes, it's a good idea! It's a great idea to have people who aren't > screwed up in positions of power. That's why I like people like Tony > Banks. (But seeing as the interests of those who govern are in reality > so wildly different to the interests of those being governed it's > probably for the best that many in power are such inneffectual farts.) > > Not that I'm particularly interested in Parliamentary prodedure, leaning > more to Anarcho-liberalism, but Boothroyd strikes me as intelligent and > as having integrity. I think you might re-appraise your critia for > judging people's value, Nick. The woman has been Parliamentary Speaker > for several years now. In what way do you feel her performance could > have been improved? How do you feel her past has affected her work? > What precisely draws you to cast aspersions? I'm intrigued. > > Not that this has a lot to do with HW in the first place. Funny place > for moralising, BOC-L. I thought the place was full of 'ippies myself. > Way to go Jon! I find all sorts of political conservatism [American style, that is] on the net, esp. in music newsgroups. I would have figured there to be a lot of 'ippies, but I guess it isn't the case. Could be the demographics are a bit skewed due to the fact that 'ippies maybe aren't so drawn to computer-based jobs? theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 4 07:35:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:35:00 -0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 04, 1998 8:07 AM, Carl E Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > Well, I think MP3 encodes video, since I'm pretty sure I saw these > files run in Windows with an MP3 player. But not having a CD-ROM drive, > I > wasn't able to see how to make the Mac version work on my own machine. Steve did include some mp3 players on the disc (at least he did on mine!), but the videos (again, on my copy anyway) are just .avi files, which run with some activeX thing on my PC - it's only the audio that runs under winamp (an mp3 player). Anyway what sort of student are you, being up and about at eight in the morning? You know that old joke about "The Student's Blues": "I woke up this lunchtime..." :)) -Andy ObVideo: ICU - "Paint Your Windows White" :) -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 4 06:47:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:47:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > In article <25B25656836 at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" > writes > >Isn't there an Italian congresswoman who used to do porno [maybe it > >was soft-core?]? > > Her name was Ciccolene, and it *wasn't* soft-core! > -- All the better! Never understood that soft-core concept, myself... theo From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Wed Feb 4 08:07:45 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:07:45 -0800 Subject: OFF: New email address Message-ID: I have a new email address and would like to switch BOC-L to the new one. How do I do that? Thanks! Jack From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Feb 4 08:13:44 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:13:44 +1000 Subject: OFF: AD/ADII Japanese pressings Message-ID: On 2 Feb 98 at about 13:00, Keith scribed: > Sonique booms... Booms?? ;^) > >Also I see that there is a ne w(?) release by Tubilah Dog called (funnily > >enough) "In Search of Plaice"!!! ... > I kind of balked at the vinyl thing, figuring maybe somebody would release > it on CD. Has this happened, Paul?? And if so, could you get me one? > > What's the lineup on this one?? I think Steve Mills was the main guy, but I > wonder if Jerry Richards did any playing on it. And do either of the TAT > tracks appear on it? I quite liked 'Safe Zone' in particular. All I know is that it *is* CD, (apparently) from the German "Progressive" Label. And yes, if you need it I can get it easily (though a shipment from my German supplier is just about to leave, and the next won't be for about a month ....) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 4 08:28:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:28:58 -0500 Subject: BOC vs. Kiss Message-ID: >Well, our friend Manuel has developed a sense of humor concerning the new album, it would seem. Didn't he tell us last week about the new BOC single called "Gosh Gee" with a Buck Mandolin solo? Say it ain't so Manuel. >I don't know for a fact who the producer is, but I'm 99% sure that Manuel's yanking our chains again. While Gene has produced some records, I don't think he and BOC are exactly buddies these days. Hmmm a throwback to the 70's perhaps? These bands dueled pretty hard in the arena circuit. I was a fan of both. Saw Kiss first and then BOC, man for man comparison was no comparison, BOC were far better players. Is Gene still jealous of Joe? Sure Joe would be willing o teach him how to play a bass for a standard fee. Now Kiss fans lay off, its raining like hell here and been a tough morning already. I'm just funnin'. << I don't think thats necessary a bad thing mind you, just a tad hard to swallow. >> >Probably not the best phrasology in light of the recent Clinton stuff... ;-) R. I dunno R; word is Bubba is into facial spacklings from a distance. 8>) L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 4 08:59:49 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:59:49 GMT Subject: In Search of - [sm] In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:08:55 GMT Message-ID: Replying to my own message.... > > at any rate, [sm]'s current email address seems to be: > > > > sm.mfr at virgin.net > > > > > listings board outside. However when I phoned the Reception area today > I was told that they moved out about 6 months ago. If I get a chance > I'll check to see whether mfr have taken over instead but the Property ok I've checked again and they confirm that Fourth World moved out in August/September and that mfr does not have a Unit in their estate. It would be interesting to know if anyone is actually using Unit 87 now or whether it stands empty. Probably the latter. Has anyone actually sent a letter to this address recently? It might be worth a test to see whether the letter is returned to sender. Otherwise unless someone (Virgin perhaps since they are his current service providers?) has an address for sm we don't know where his present office is located. Has anyone got any contacts in the Virgin network? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 09:37:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:37:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: <25B25656836@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <25B25656836 at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" writes > Whatever >became of the youth who wanted to push the envelope, to puncture the >stuffiness of social propriety? That's the trouble with kids these days. No one wants to smash the system anymore. :) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 09:40:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:40:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980203222029.03016324@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19980203222029.03016324 at online.no>, c mumford writes >Jon, I always though running a comics shop was the One True Path To >Enlightenement! Have I been wrong all these years??? grasshopper : what did you do before you were enlightened, master? Master : chop wood, carry water, retail comics grasshopper : and what do you do now you are enlightened, master? Master : chop wood, carry water, retail comics ancient Zen koan all paths with heart lead to enlightenment -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 4 10:52:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:52:43 -0500 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: Carl: Apple's Quicktime product should be able to read the MP3 files. John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 4 13:34:59 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:34:59 PST Subject: OFF: Tortoise Message-ID: >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > Would you have any connection with the band Tortoise? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 4 14:35:17 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:35:17 -0800 Subject: HW: more from me i'm afraid Message-ID: coming from the voice of Walrus ...: >the question on everyone's lips tho is: >whats the deal with del's axe-synth-thing ?? Axe strung with piano wire? guitar/bass string? something ... with electrical pickup attached (electro-acoustic transducer, like a microphone that is - not electromagnetic like a guitar pickup) ... plugged into frequency->voltage converter ... plugged into VCS3 synthesizer (according to Del, the exact same unit that was used on HotMG; his previous one got fried when it was plugged in on a German tour without a power adapter - oops!) ... controls various analog synthesizer parameters by the output voltage levels (depending on adjustments of knobs and positions of patch-pegs) in lieu of a keyboard ... makes those incredibly weird semi-random noises you hear on the 'Space Ritual 94' double-CD! Really a brilliant "user interface" concept ... much more interesting than controlling a synthesizer with a keyboard (keyboards = boring; knobs, sliders, theremins, radio batons, television sets, axes = cool). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 4 14:31:45 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:31:45 GMT Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! In-Reply-To: <113483.3095539247@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Carl, You bought an ICU CD-ROM for your Girlfriend?!?! ...what on earth did she do to you? rare Stray singles? that hard to find second Nutz album.. you`re sick and don`t deserve to have a working copy.. ..on a more trival note I have contacted my Macintosh department, (Thats Mary who did the sleeves for B&B and Presidents Tapes..) and she says she`ll find out how she viewed `em and will tell me later.. I`ll pass the info onto you.. The Video isn`t Mpeg, they`re just bog standard avi`s.. don`t quote me on it but Quicktime should be able to play it.. failing that Netscape will.. Let me know how you get on.. -Steve On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:00:47 +0000, you sent through the ether: > I have, of course, mislaid Steve's address ... > > Anyway, Steve, if you're out there: Last autumn I bought a >Mac-version ICU CD-ROM from you and gave it to my girlfriend Tania. Being >quick off the mark, she's just been checking it out ;) and is having >trouble getting the video files to work. Since she and the disk are in >the US, I'm not a useful mediator here. Could you drop her a line if >you've any ideas about how best to get the video mp3's working? I've cc:d >her on this email ... > >Cheers >Carl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 4 17:44:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:44:28 -0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:32 PM, Steve Pond [SMTP:Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > Hi Carl, > > You bought an ICU CD-ROM for your Girlfriend?!?! ...what on earth did > she do to you? rare Stray singles? that hard to find second Nutz album.. > you`re sick and don`t deserve to have a working copy.. Ha! Actually what happened was, Tania stopped by my place back in '94, and I played her The Maximum Effect and The Presidents Tapes, and the rest as they say... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Feb 5 11:45:56 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:45:56 EST Subject: Traffic In-Reply-To: <9802031144.ZM12523@unknown.zmail.host>; from "Frank Weil" at Feb 3, 98 11:44:33 am Message-ID: Is there a problem with the list,came into work today and no mail from Boc-l regards Marty From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Feb 4 19:06:37 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:06:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:40 04.02.98 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: > >all paths with heart lead to enlightenment Amen to that! Jiminy C From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Feb 4 19:10:19 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:10:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:37 04.02.98 +0000, Jon Browne: > >That's the trouble with kids these days. No one wants to smash the >system anymore. :) >-- >Jon It's easier just to ignore it - it may just cease functioning on its own if enough people did :) another brick in the wall posting to the TAZ known as BOC-L, Christian From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Feb 4 21:29:11 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:29:11 -0700 Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd In-Reply-To: <199802041100.LAA24342@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Frank Weil writes: > > > Now, Rob's question is that he is looking for an advert for the show > > for the book he is writing on the history of Progressive Rock. Does > > anyone have such an advertisement? If not, does anyone have any leads > > at all as to how he might obtain one? > > > I'm sure I've seen the copy of a poster for this show reproduced in one > of the Hawkwind history books - either Kris Tait's or Dave Watson's or > maybe even Trev Hughes'. Or perhaps my memory deceives me utterly. > I'll browse through the bookshelves later. > > jill > > ========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > I recall seeing this advert reproduced somewhere, along with a caption saying something along the lines of "Pink Floyd opening for Hawkwind, the way it should be." I THINK I remember it anyway, unless it's just pollution of my brainbox... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 4 23:31:41 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:31:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Way to go Jon! I find all sorts of political conservatism [American > style, that is] on the net, esp. in music newsgroups. I would have > figured there to be a lot of 'ippies, but I guess it isn't the case. > Could be the demographics are a bit skewed due to the fact that > 'ippies maybe aren't so drawn to computer-based jobs? Actually, I've observed a drift *towards* political conservatism ("American style", as you say) the longer I've actively been on the Internet (about 10 years and counting). I attribute this to more "normal everyday plain honest folk" getting online, who, it is probably fair to say, are at odds somewhat with the "old guard" Internet users that spawned such egalitarian endeavours and projects as GNU, FSF, LPF, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Emacs, etc. etc. (Anyone remember the brouhaha when AOL opened its Internet gateway, and the tangible changes thereafter?) Whereas the "old days" were of the "free and open" ethos, nowadays lots of folks are just out to try and make a buck off the Internet. If anything, the original user base (of predominantly people in "computer-based jobs") skewed the demographics *towards* a more 'ippy ideal---IMHO, of course. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Feb 5 01:05:56 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:05:56 -0600 Subject: HW: more from me i'm afraid Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:38:45 -0500 Walrus wrote: >ps. a year or so ago i bumped into a fellow (ex) nethawk in the >supermarket! go figure! (we didnt know each other btw) Funny... On my way to StrangeDaze last year (what other year is there? :-P ), my friend and I drove from Newark (where the motel was) to Sherman and in some mid-sized town in the beautiful mountain woods of Northeast Pennsylvania, stopped in a Wegman's to gather supplies (food, etc.) for the cooler and camp out. While we were putting the groceries in the trunk, my ears perked up to the opening track off Eno's "Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy". I talked to the guy a bit, told him where my friend and I were going, and went on my way. Can't remember the guy's name... Charles something or another, probably. Damon P.S.: Sorry if that story didn't really go anywhere.... :-) From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Thu Feb 5 02:52:21 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:52:21 +0100 Subject: AW: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. Message-ID: No talking 'bout being "hard" or "soft" (have you ever touched her ?? :) ) .. but I think, "Cicciolina" would fit better! Just for those that wanna ask for her movies .... ;) Reiner > In article <25B25656836 at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" > writes > >Isn't there an Italian congresswoman who used to do porno [maybe it > >was soft-core?]? > > Her name was Ciccolene, and it *wasn't* soft-core! > -- > Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 04:46:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:46:02 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On ons 4 feb 1998 22.44 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > On Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:32 PM, Steve Pond >> You bought an ICU CD-ROM for your Girlfriend?!?! ...what on earth did >> she do to you? rare Stray singles? that hard to find second Nutz album.. >> you`re sick and don`t deserve to have a working copy.. > > Ha! Actually what happened was, Tania stopped by my place back in '94, and > I played her The Maximum Effect and The Presidents Tapes, and the rest as > they say... ... was inevitable, if not history :) Yup Tania was really into it, and subsequent trips to Andy's and listenings to his ICU collection had her humming "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" for days. So it was obvious she needed the ICU CD-ROM ... especially since she has a CD-ROM drive and I don't. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 05:07:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:07:59 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: Actually, now that I think of it .... ICU covers! The Brain Surgeons would do a fab job of covering ICU! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 05:13:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:13:48 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On ons 4 feb 1998 12.35 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Anyway what sort of student are you, being up and about at eight in the > morning? You know that old joke about "The Student's Blues": "I woke up > this lunchtime..." :)) It's part of my rebellion and attempt to smash the system ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Feb 5 05:36:44 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:36:44 -0700 Subject: OFF: Primus descended from HAWKWIND? Message-ID: I found this quote in an ATN article about Primus. http://www.addict.com/issues/1.05/Cover_Story/Primus_Profile/page2.html "What I really thought about Primus was that they had developed this whole kind of World Of Primus. And in the World Of Primus, music only sounded like the Residents and Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart and Can and Hawkwind and stuff like that. Not normal stuff. No Michael Bolton in the World of Primus. " Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 5 05:44:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:44:28 -0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On Thursday, February 05, 1998 9:46 AM, Carl E Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > and subsequent trips to Andy's and listenings to his ICU collection had > her humming "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" for days. And thus "BRHR" is forever linked in my mind with Leonard Nimoy's "Tha Ballad of Bilbo Baggins". Now *there's* a Brain Surgeons cover idea :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 07:50:28 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:50:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:25 +0000 Hardman DK wrote: > On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > > > >The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the > > >politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone > > >who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. > > > > What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! > > I think the slightly less lurid truth is that Betty Boothroyd was once in > a chorus line. > > I'm not an expert on the commons, but the Speaker does have more to do > than shout "order"; she selects who gets to speak from the multitudes > waving their papers in the air - this isn't necessarily a random selection > as certain people will have more important contributions to make, and it > is her business to know who these people are; she also rules on whether > certain items of business are allowed to be added to the agenda (from time > to time an MP will demand an unscheduled debate about some crisis or > other); she also gets to arbitrate on constitutional matters, such as the > recent controversy as to whether or not Sinn Fein's MPs were to be allowed > into the commons without swearing allegiance to the crown. Probably other > stuff besides....she seems very well respected, and this doesn't happen > just because you know how to shout. > > Dave You don't get respect for knowing how to shout? Tell that to Lemmy.... ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 07:55:27 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:55:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980203150250.008f20ec@ionet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:02:50 -0600 "J. Michael Looney" wrote: > At 01:27 PM 2/3/98 +0000, you wrote: > >In article , Nick Widdows > > writes > >> > >>The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the > >>politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone > >>who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. > > > >Now, that's not very peaceandlovenewagewarrior, is it? > > > >I think after 50 years, you could expect anything from anyone. > > > >What's wrong with strippers, anyway?! > > > >Just set me straight here. Betty Boothroyd was a stripper in the, what, > >1940's??? Are you completely sure about that? > > > > Yeah, what is wrong with strippers? I am married to an ex-stripper, her > girlfriend (and our room mate) is one now and my girlfriend is an > semi-retired one. Yes, that sound weird, but it's really not as weird as it > sound. > -- > Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? > C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ > G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) > > http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml Hey! I alredy said that having strippers in power might be an improvement... ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 07:56:52 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:56:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts In-Reply-To: <34D7483E.FBFB57DB@geocities.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:39:42 +0000 Rich Lockwood wrote: > Nick Widdows wrote: > > > > > > > The Speaker is basically there to shout "order" when the > > politicians talk crap. You can't expect much from someone > > who was a stripper 50 or so years ago. > > Dancer. Not stripper. And I believe she's from Huddersfield. So don't > knock her. OK? > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObCD: Only the Meteors are Pure Psychobilly (still!) Since when has Huddersfield been a source of greatness? If it was Bradford... ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 08:01:51 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:01:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts - bollocks more like. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:43:27 +0000 Jon Browne wrote: > In article , Nick Widdows > writes > >Sorry, I call it how I see it. Nothing wrong with > >strippers, but is a position of (sort of) power a good > >idea? On the other hand.... > > > What? WHAT? What, in fact, the f..? > > Yes, it's a good idea! It's a great idea to have people who aren't > screwed up in positions of power. That's why I like people like Tony > Banks. (But seeing as the interests of those who govern are in reality > so wildly different to the interests of those being governed it's > probably for the best that many in power are such inneffectual farts.) > > Not that I'm particularly interested in Parliamentary prodedure, leaning > more to Anarcho-liberalism, but Boothroyd strikes me as intelligent and > as having integrity. I think you might re-appraise your critia for > judging people's value, Nick. The woman has been Parliamentary Speaker > for several years now. In what way do you feel her performance could > have been improved? How do you feel her past has affected her work? > What precisely draws you to cast aspersions? I'm intrigued. > > Not that this has a lot to do with HW in the first place. Funny place > for moralising, BOC-L. I thought the place was full of 'ippies myself. > > > -- > Jon I never started the subject. And I'm not moralising either. As I said, I call it how I see it. I'm not trying to force opinions on people, I hate people who do that. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 5 08:58:18 1998 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:58:18 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Feb 1998 to 5 Feb 1998 In-Reply-To: <199802051007.KAA00437@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Automatic digest processor wrote: > On Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:32 PM, Steve Pond > [SMTP:Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > > Hi Carl, > > > > You bought an ICU CD-ROM for your Girlfriend?!?! ...what on earth did > > she do to you? rare Stray singles? that hard to find second Nutz album.. > > you`re sick and don`t deserve to have a working copy.. > > Ha! Actually what happened was, Tania stopped by my place back in '94, and > I played her The Maximum Effect and The Presidents Tapes, and the rest as > they say... .. is a travesty of justice. Bah humbug - all I got was Dwight Yoakam! Maxine (lurking from afar - maxine.wesley at port.ac.uk) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 5 09:12:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:12:26 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Feb 1998 to 5 Feb 1998 Message-ID: On Thursday, February 05, 1998 1:58 PM, Maxine Wesley [SMTP:mxw at DMU.AC.UK] wrote: > > > .. is a travesty of justice. Bah humbug - all I got was Dwight Yoakam! You just won't let that lie, will you? :) Come back any time and I promise, no hat music!! (Not that there's anything wrong with Dwight Yoakam... :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 5 08:17:40 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:17:40 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Feb 1998 to 5 Feb 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Maxine Wesley > .. is a travesty of justice. Bah humbug - all I got was Dwight Yoakam! > Hey, Maxine...I'm a big fan of Pete Anderson's. You should check out the DY list. I was on it for about a week before I got into flame wars with everyone on it! theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 5 09:32:44 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:32:44 -0700 Subject: Are Lazy Hero's Message-ID: Are our hero's lazy, clueless or badly managed? Well maybe not, they do spend a lot of time on the road. Read through the Saigon Kick Website and it states SK got $3 million US to sign as Flat. MCA gets to put out the last SK album, their former company is doing a greatest hits, and the first Flat album is due too. Three releases, one band. Maybe BOC ought to take a cue and go back to using Soft White Underbelly. Oh I brough all this off topic stuff up in a round about way. Couple more tBS suggested covers all from SK. Edgar - from Devil In Details Victoria - from Devil in Details Chanel - from Lizard With Al's sense of humor he could wear these songs like a cheap suit. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Oooh, keep making that mouth music sweetheart, I'm reading you like a cheap paperback." Die Fledermaus From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Feb 5 10:00:00 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: HW: questions on gig with Pink Floyd Message-ID: Hi, >I recall seeing this advert reproduced somewhere, along with a caption >saying something along the lines of "Pink Floyd opening for Hawkwind, the >way it should be." I THINK I remember it anyway, unless it's just pollution >of my brainbox... I've seen that remark too, but I think it was Genesis opening for Hawkwind, I'm fairly sure it was Genesis. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 5 12:19:40 1998 From: dag at DARINO.DEMON.CO.UK (Dag Luterek) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:19:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Black Widow (Re: BITCH!) Message-ID: In message , cannibal at CUTEY.COM writes >At 17:30 24.01.98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded in the >'70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it >was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, come to >the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else ever hear >that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... Hell, I know >I'd do that tune if I had a band... It's great someone should mention 'Black Widow', the album that 'satanic' tune is from is 'sacrifice', recommended. Too bad they never got big, the Moral majority would have had a field day with their lyrics :-) Dag From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 5 18:46:28 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:46:28 GMT Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind Message-ID: Anyone read deke Leonards book? it`s a very cool history of Man, mentions the 1999 party tour, few HW anecdotes, but above all V funny.. -Steve From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Feb 6 09:04:06 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:04:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: test, sorry. Message-ID: is the list down, have i come un-subbed? if it was just quite, i would expect to see a few other posts like this one... rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 6 09:31:19 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:31:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind Message-ID: On tor 5 feb 1998 23.46 +0000 "Steve Pond" wrote: > Anyone read deke Leonards book? it`s a very cool history of Man, > mentions the 1999 party tour, few HW anecdotes, but above all V funny.. I've read Andy Gilham's copy. Wish I could find one of my own! Very good and very funny. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 10:56:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:56:00 +0000 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! In-Reply-To: Carl E Anderson's mail of Thu, 5 Feb 98 10:07 +0000 Message-ID: On 05 Feb 10:07, Carl E Anderson wrote: > Actually, now that I think of it .... ICU covers! The Brain Surgeons > would do a fab job of covering ICU! IMO, ICU should reform (with Nik) solely for the purpose of covering the Brain Surgeons... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 05:26:36 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:26:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <34df4f12.752965@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34df4f12.752965 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >Anyone read deke Leonards book? it`s a very cool history of Man, >mentions the 1999 party tour, few HW anecdotes, but above all V funny.. > >-Steve Sounds cool, is it still in print? -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 6 11:31:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:31:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind Message-ID: On Thursday, February 05, 1998 11:46 PM, Steve Pond [SMTP:Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > Anyone read deke Leonards book? it`s a very cool history of Man, > mentions the 1999 party tour, few HW anecdotes, but above all V funny.. > > -Steve You bet! One of the funniest books I've read! I often found for best effect I had to imagine a Welsh accent though. Is it still in print? I know Carl was looking for one. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Feb 6 12:10:20 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:10:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts Message-ID: > > > Since when has Huddersfield been a source of greatness? If > it was Bradford... > ---------------------- > You jest, surely? :-) Cheers, Rich. ObThingToDoTonight: Get bladdered in the Tabard. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 10:28:50 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:28:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: utter bollocks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Widdows writes > I never started the subject. And I'm not moralising >either. As I said, I call it how I see it. I'm not trying >to force opinions on people, I hate people who do that. >---------------------- >Nick Widdows And I hate people who criticise people without reason. I despise prejudice in general, and am particularly down on veiled misogyny. Listen, sunshine, I've not flamed a soul in the two or three years I've been here but saying "Nothing wrong with strippers but..." _is_ moralising. "I call 'em as I see 'em " means nothing and you've said it twice. Having a different opinion to your own is not forcing anything on you. In this case _my_ opinion is that _your_ opinion is mis- informed, prejudiced, unfair, judgmental and puerile. OK? Furthermore you didn't answer my questions. Call 'em as you see 'em, but please, Nick, tell us how you see 'em, then. Enlighten us as to your opinion-forming process. I re-iterate : In what way do you feel her performance could have been improved? How do you feel her past has affected her work? What precisely draws you to cast aspersions? or tell us something about Hawkwind. -- Jon From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 6 14:20:01 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:20:01 -0800 Subject: ICU: Calling Steve Pond! Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:07:59 +0000, Carl E Anderson espoused the opinion: > Actually, now that I think of it .... ICU covers! The Brain Surgeons > would do a fab job of covering ICU! Erm, sorry for the bit of self-promotion, but my current band, Dogbreath, just released a 7"EP with two originals and a cover of "Fungus Among Us" (I know, not an ICU-penned tune, but that and the Imperial Pompadours versions are the only ones I'm aware of...). We even got a "real slick chick" (Kendra the drummer) to sing the appropriate part ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 6 15:21:46 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:21:46 GMT Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <01BD331C.E2A97860.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: You can definitely gewt it at Helter Skelter on Denmark St. they had at least 2 when I was in there today.. On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:31:40 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Is it still in print? I know Carl was looking for one. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 6 17:01:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 22:01:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind Message-ID: On fre 6 feb 1998 20.21 +0000 "Steve Pond" wrote: > You can definitely gewt it at Helter Skelter on Denmark St. they had at > least 2 when I was in there today.. Cool--I'll be bumming around in London on Monday prior to the Spiritual Beggars gig at the Kentish Town Bull & Gate in the evening, and will take a look for it then. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 6 19:49:36 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:49:36 -0800 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind Message-ID: ... just thought I'd add something from a message I received from another mailing list ... >From 'The Welsh Connection' newsletter (for Welsh bands) Feb/March 98 issue: "... it's possible that a gig will be held in the Astoria, London, in June that reunites some of the bands that played benefits for the Greasy Truckers. Man, Hawkwind and Gong are amongst the names in the frame..." That'd be something, huh? -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: The MV Holoscanner Exhibition 'Ego synchronicity Music' From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Fri Feb 6 21:18:10 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:18:10 EST Subject: ICU: Calling Dave Brock?! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Feb 6 21:26:22 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:26:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: utter bollocks. Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: (snipped) damn, jon, remind me not to piss you off, k? ;) rj From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Fri Feb 6 21:45:29 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:45:29 EST Subject: ICU: Calling Dave Brock?! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Feb 7 02:59:59 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:59:59 EST Subject: BOC: Palo Alto, CA 2/4/98 Message-ID: (posted to AOL) Some miscellany re: Wednesday's Palo Alto show at the Edge: Before the Kiss, a Redcap Cities On Flame E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck?s Boogie OD?d On Life Itself The Vigil Live For Me Flaming Telepaths I?d Like to See You in Black Then Came the Last Days of May In Thee Burnin? for You Godzilla (Don?t Fear) the Reaper The Golden Age of Leather Dominance and Submission I stood on the main floor about halfway back, in line with BD?s position; from there the sound was much better overall than at the Slim?s show in SF last week. Again, things seemed to get louder closer to the show?s end, although I?m never sure whether this is actually happening or if it is an auditory phenomenon. The band?s opening with "Before the Kiss?" was unexpected, and judging from the somewhat tentative crowd response I had the sense a bunch of people weren?t familiar with it. This is odd, given that it seems to have figured prominently in a lot of shows of the last few years. Bolle noted recently that shakeups in the setlist are always welcome and I agree completely, no matter what the reason for particular omissions. However the sound was also a little muddy at this point, and the vocals inaudible at the song?s beginning, which might have made it difficult for people to get their bearings at first. After the steadily escalating response to solid versions of CoF and ETI, Harvest Moon once again sucker-punched the crowd with the mid-song changeup. People really got into Allen?s solo, which was very good and also leapt out of the mix more than Buck?s. As with Slim?s, Eric?s introduction of the song doesn?t seem to elicit much recognition, but the song is extremely well received. "The Vigil" didn?t have the "Come to us" refrain that had been used at the SF show. For FT and "?See You in Black" Buck switched guitars to what I thought was a Les Paul, but which Bolle informed me later was a detuned Epiphone. Oddly, FT had the clearest BD guitar sound of the night, I felt, really distinct, and the midsong solo was gorgeous. As Xddb mentioned it was nice to have the strobes back at the end, always very effective with the band pumping up the pressure and the lead lines ricocheting through the room. The increased clarity of BD?s guitar seemed to carry over to the switch back to the Steinberger, so maybe it was unrelated to the instrument?it was "Last Days of May", so it couldn?t have happened at a better time. Another knockout. While Allen was seated at the front of the stage waiting for BD to join him for "In Thee", someone in one of the first rows called out "Allen!" and he yelled back "What?" Then, with mock ferocity "What?? WHAT???". He seemed to be having a good time, and didn?t let the California ban on smoking in bars stop him. Danny was into it as always; always a pleasure to watch him laying it down. And Bobby R. is one hard hitter; his solo went over very well. --What?s up with the Edge personnel asking people walking up to the show where they parked, and telling them they?ve got to go move their cars into the Edge lot? And some people doing it? I?m talking about people who are legally parked! They claim that their neighbors insist on this, and I guess they?ve got the right to request whatever they want, but it?s nonsense. Same goes for the no in-and-out policy: undoubtedly the wealthy residents of Palo Alto don?t want people stepping out and wandering around getting high in front of their boutiques, but it doesn?t jibe with the new non-smoking laws. --Vicious Rumors opened; they do what they do real well but this particular branch of hard rock/metal/whatever doesn't do much for me. Not a whole lot of, uh, modulation. Five-drum lineup at one point though, I had a fleeting wild thought that they were only doing it because of who they were opening for. --Ran into Sandy Pearlman in the audience, I'd never seen him before (or if I had I hadn't know it; I'd only seen one picture of him and it was a couple of decades ago). -Chris Baker From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 05:03:33 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:03:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: utter bollocks. In-Reply-To: <34DBC64E.A2CC65CE@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34DBC64E.A2CC65CE at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >damn, jon, remind me not to piss you off, k? ;) >rj yeah, sorry, it's the jalapeno enemas, ya know how it is..... -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 05:11:42 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:11:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980206164936.007a8ae0@sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980206164936.007a8ae0 at sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes > >"... it's possible that a gig will be held in the Astoria, London, in June >that reunites some of the bands that played benefits for the Greasy >Truckers. Man, Hawkwind and Gong are amongst the names in the frame..." > >That'd be something, huh? > -WOW-! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 05:10:54 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:10:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <34db70ae.187476@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34db70ae.187476 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >You can definitely gewt it at Helter Skelter on Denmark St. they had at >least 2 when I was in there today.. Man, i can't go near Helter Skelter without putting a ton on my credit card. Last time I was up there, I spent 80 quid. I got Fuzz, Acid and Flowers, Tapestry of Delights and Adrift In The Ether. Scott reveiwed "adrift" a while back - excellent stuff. Anyone here would love it. -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Feb 6 21:48:49 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:48:49 +0800 Subject: HW: Clive Deamer/Portishead Message-ID: Hi all I've noticed that Clive Deamer plays drums on many Portishead albums. Is he an actual member of the band, and does he appear live with them? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Feb 6 21:51:02 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:51:02 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: Did this version ever get released, and does anyone know where it can be obtained??? William From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Sat Feb 7 10:36:37 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:36:37 -0600 Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: Well, it's part of the HW Covers collection, but I don't recall anyone stating it had ever finally surfaced. It had been rumored to be coming out as part of a single (don't recall if a or b side), but I don't know if it ever finally been issued. Allan. ---------- From: xl5 Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 8:51 PM To: BOC-L Cc: xl5 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Did this version ever get released, and does anyone know where it can be obtained??? William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 11:16:11 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:16:11 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Allan T Grohe Jr writes >Well, it's part of the HW Covers collection, but I don't recall anyone >stating it had ever finally surfaced. It had been rumored to be coming >out as part of a single (don't recall if a or b side), but I don't know >if it ever finally been issued. > >Allan. I thought it was to be a B-Side on the 15th Anniversary re-release of SM by EMI. This release didn't happen. I also seem to remember something about DS not approving. I could be wrong about this. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 11:30:38 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:30:38 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >I thought it was to be a B-Side on the 15th Anniversary re-release of SM >by EMI. This release didn't happen. I also seem to remember something >about DS not approving. I could be wrong about this. >-- >Jon That should have been 25th Anniversary. orb-viously. -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 7 01:18:32 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:18:32 +0800 Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: >>I thought it was to be a B-Side on the 15th Anniversary re-release of SM >>by EMI. This release didn't happen. I also seem to remember something >>about DS not approving. I could be wrong about this. Surely it would have been a better remix than half the stuff on Future Reconstructions? William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 7 14:04:59 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:04:59 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: <028b01bd3390$37e4f160$3b433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <028b01bd3390$37e4f160$3b433bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >Surely it would have been a better remix than half the stuff on Future >Reconstructions? > >William Yeah, you would have thought so but.... ours is not to reason why.... -- Jon From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Feb 7 16:33:02 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:33:02 -0700 Subject: Fwd: A Valentine story for all you hopelessly romantic people! (fwd) Message-ID: Hi- From a couple of hopelessly romantics-- Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu >>John Blanchard stood up from the bench, straightened his Army uniform, and >>studied the crowd of people making their way through Grand Central Station. >> He looked for the girl whose heart he knew, but whose face he didn't, the >>girl with the rose. His interest in her had begun thirteen months before >>in a Florida library. Taking a book off the shelf he found himself >>intrigued, not with the words of the book, but with the notes penciled in >>the margin. The soft handwriting reflected a thoughtful soul and >>insightful mind. >> In the front of the book, he discovered the previous owner's name, >>Miss Hollis Maynell. With time and effort he located her address. She >>lived in New York City. He wrote her a letter introducing himself and >>inviting her to correspond. The next day he was shipped overseas for >>service in World War II. >> During the next year and one-month the two grew to know each other >>through the mail. Each letter was a seed falling on a fertile heart. A >>romance was budding. >> Blanchard requested a photograph, but she refused. She felt that if >>he really cared, it wouldn't matter what she looked like. >> When the day finally came for him to return from Europe, they >>scheduled their first meeting - 7:00 PM at the Grand Central Station in New >>York. "You'll recognize me," she wrote, "by the red rose I'll be wearing >>on my lapel." >> So at 7:00 he was in the station looking for a girl whose heart he >>loved, but whose face he'd never seen. >> I'll let Mr. Blanchard tell you what happened: >> A young woman was coming toward me, her figure long and slim. Her >>blonde hair lay back in curls from her delicate ears; her eyes were blue as >>flowers. Her lips and chin had a gentle firmness, and in her pale green >>suit she was like springtime come alive. I started toward her, entirely >>forgetting to notice that she was not wearing a rose. As I moved, a small, >>provocative smile curved her lips. "Going my way, sailor?" she murmured. >> Almost uncontrollably I made one step closer to her, and then I saw >>Hollis Maynell. She was standing almost directly behind the girl. A woman >>well past 40, she had graying hair tucked under a worn hat. She was more >>than plump, her thick-ankled feet thrust into low-heeled shoes. The girl >>in the green suit was walking quickly away. I felt as though I was split >>in two, so keen was my desire to follow her, and yet so deep was my longing >>for the woman whose spirit had truly companioned me and upheld my own. >> And there she stood. Her pale, plump face was gentle and sensible, >>her gray eyes had a warm and kindly twinkle. I did not hesitate. My >>fingers gripped the small worn blue leather copy of the book that was to >>identify me to her. >> This would not be love, but it would be something precious, something >>perhaps even better than love, a friendship for which I had been and must >>ever be grateful. >> I squared my shoulders and saluted and held out the book to the woman, >>even though while I spoke I felt choked by the bitterness of my >>disappointment. "I'm Lieutenant John Blanchard, and you must be Miss >>Maynell. I am so glad you could meet me; may I take you to dinner?" >> The woman's face broadened into a tolerant smile. "I don't know what >>this is about, son," she answered, "but the young lady in the green suit, >>who just went by, she begged me to wear this rose on my coat. And she said >>if you were to ask me out to dinner, I should go and tell you that she is >>waiting for you in the big restaurant across the street. She said it was >>some kind of test!" >> It's not difficult to understand and admire Miss Maynell's wisdom. >>The true nature of a heart is seen in its response to the unattractive. >>"Tell me whom you love," Houssaye wrote, "And I will tell you who you are." >> >> >>Send this to 3 people.... You will have good luck for an entire day. >> >>Send this to 8 people.... You will have good luck for all of next week. >> >>Send this 11 or more people...You will know your true love and be happy for >>a long, long time. >> >>Send this to 20 or more people ... You and your true love are going to be >>happily married forever after. >> >>Send this to nobody... You will have bad luck for at least 5 years. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat Feb 7 15:07:22 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:07:22 GMT Subject: Fwd: A Valentine story for all you hopelessly romantic people! (fwd) Message-ID: >Hi- From a couple of hopelessly romantics-- Starts great... >>>Send this to nobody... You will have bad luck for at least 5 years. ... ends horribly. I mean, c'mon guys, seriously, how can a "romantic" story end by a curse ? Don't you find that a bit ridiculous ? And, as the saying goes, superstition can only hurt you if you ARE superstitious... lucky me, I'm not ! :-o Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From kg at THING.DE Sun Feb 8 04:10:12 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:10:12 +0100 Subject: CALVERT - new links Message-ID: hi there, two interesting new links on the Calvert Collab-O-Relations pages - one leading to LEMMYMANIA - a very interesting new page on Lemmy and Motorhead - with lots of material especially on Lemmy's pre Motorhead days (and promising more) another one to the new official homepage of NemesiS - inventive ambient / trance band from Finland, Calvert Collab-Relators.... best, knut From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Feb 8 06:10:46 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:10:46 -0800 Subject: HW: Shakespeare. Message-ID: > > I re-iterate : In what way do you feel her performance could > have been improved? How do you feel her past has affected her work? > What precisely draws you to cast aspersions? > > or tell us something about Hawkwind. > > -- > Jon I'll tell ya'll something about HW. I was reading King Richard the Third today. Richard (before he becomes King) is having a dialogue w/Lady Anne. They have just had a very intense argument about Richard murdering her husband and father-in-law. (Act I, Scene II) He asks her to just do him in, put him out of his deformed misery and hands her his sword. She takes the sword, but does then decides not to stab him. He then says: "Take up the sword again, or take up me" (read: if you don't kill me now, I'll make your life a living hell). Hawkwind, Song of the Sword: "Take up the sword or take up me" (or almost, barring maybe an article or preposition--I don't have my lyrics handy now) Charlie From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 07:52:36 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:52:36 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: hello, this may be old news by now but i found out that Chrome will be playing NYC at the Coney Island High 4/3/98...i'm told the supporting act will be Silver Apples....(not sure bout Far Flung) please visit my page for updates as i get them: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html see ya in space!!!!!! bob From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Feb 8 07:59:30 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:59:30 +1100 Subject: HW: Shakespeare. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: herbert rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, 8 February 1998 10:17 Subject: HW: Shakespeare. >I'll tell ya'll something about HW. I was reading King Richard the Third today. Richard (before he becomes King) is having a dialogue w/Lady Anne. They have just had a very intense argument about Richard murdering her husband and father-in-law. (Act I, Scene II) He asks her to just do him in, put him out of his deformed misery and hands her his sword. She takes the sword, but does then decides not to stab him. He then says: > >"Take up the sword again, or take up me" (read: if you don't kill me now, I'll make your life a living hell). Damn Shakespere copying Hawkwind lyrics! He just doesn't know where to stop..... "I have of late, wherefore I know not, lost my Silver Machine, And indeed it goes so heavily with my Orgone Accumulator.... This goodly framed Earth Calling, Why it apeareth nothing to me but a foul and pestilent Kadu Flyer..." - "Hawklet" Act 2 Scene 2 - Max Wilcox From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sun Feb 8 14:18:56 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:18:56 -0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: If I remember right, Alex Patterson decided to, on his own and without any discussions with the HW camp, remix and prepare to release a version of "Silver Machine". Apparently he contacted them for permission when he was ready to release it, but was told in no uncertain terms, "NO!". Rumors are that DS was the nixer. I've also heard that this release actually snuck out as a white-label single, but I've never been able to confirm this or find any Orb fanatics that have seen/heard it. The ORB discography inside the 'Auntie Aubrey..' set does indeed list this single (along with every other CD, single, remix, and comp appearance). It is described very simply as: SILVER MACHINE Unreleased Single The Orb's interpretation of the Hawkwind classic While we can only assume that this is a "great lost HW remix", who's to say that it would have been any "better" than those on 'Future Reconstructions'? (please, that is a rhetorical question) After all, I could be alone on this list but I really dig a few tunes on FR...and I had all the Astralasia remixes anyway! AND all those PF Trance Remixes that most Floyd fans sneer at... "The sky is raining fishes, fishes, fishes..." :-) -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ ObCD: Monster Magnet E.P. (import!) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 7 22:48:59 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:48:59 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: >After all, I could be alone on this list but I really dig a few >tunes on FR...and I had all the Astralasia remixes anyway! AND >all those PF Trance Remixes that most Floyd fans sneer at... > I quite liked the Astralasia remixes, but I absolutely hated the remixed Master of the Universe, You Shouldn't do That, and Sonic Destruction. Or was it Sonic Attack (one of them, anyway). The best remixes were left off the CD. William From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sun Feb 8 11:20:26 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:20:26 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: <008501bd3444$7d848820$26433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message ID <008501bd3444$7d848820$26433bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au> on 8/02/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: > I quite liked the Astralasia remixes, but I absolutely hated the remixed > Master of the Universe, You Shouldn't do That, and Sonic Destruction. Or was > it Sonic Attack (one of them, anyway). The best remixes were left off the > CD. > > William Dealing with remix; the best are Dave Brock's remixes of Lord of Light & Sonic Attack (with Bob Calvert voice) on the last EBS EP; Sonic Attack is probably the freakiest of allI Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Feb 7 23:37:25 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:37:25 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) Message-ID: >Dealing with remix; the best are Dave Brock's remixes of Lord of Light & Sonic >Attack (with Bob Calvert voice) on the last EBS EP; Sonic Attack is probably >the freakiest of allI > I really liked the Sonic Attack remix as well. I'm unsure if Lord of Light is a remix though, as it sounds like Ron on vocals. I think it's a new recording of the song? William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 8 12:05:26 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:05:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Shakespeare. Message-ID: On s?n 8 feb 1998 23.59 +1100 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > "I have of late, wherefore I know not, lost my Silver Machine, > And indeed it goes so heavily with my Orgone Accumulator.... > This goodly framed Earth Calling, > Why it apeareth nothing to me but a foul and pestilent Kadu Flyer..." ROTFL! Oh, that this too, too solid hashish would melt ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Feb 8 12:42:51 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:42:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Chrome will be showing up in Chicago as well...I forget the date. Does anyone know if this is with or without Helios Creed? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sun Feb 8 13:48:36 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:48:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: <00e101bd344b$41fc7ea0$26433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > I really liked the Sonic Attack remix as well. I'm unsure if Lord of Light > is a remix though, as it sounds like Ron on vocals. I think it's a new > recording of the song? > > William A) Love in Space - remixed By Zeus B. Held & MatDietrich B et C) Lord of Light / This is Hawkwind Sonis Attack - Mixed by Dave Brock. Yes, sounds like Ron, or maybe Alan on LoL. Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 13:54:04 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:54:04 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: WITH.....most definately In a message dated 98-02-08 12:41:37 EST, you write: << Chrome will be showing up in Chicago as well...I forget the date. Does anyone know if this is with or without Helios Creed? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org >> From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 8 02:03:50 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:03:50 GMT Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) In-Reply-To: <199802081742.MAA20059@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:42:51 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Does >anyone know if this is with or without Helios Creed? Am I the only person in the world who`s realised Helios Creed is an anagram of "Lord Cheesie"? ...a far more fitting name for the 90`s methinks. S. From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 17:26:51 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:26:51 EST Subject: Ex Hawkwind Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Sun Feb 8 17:33:30 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:33:30 -0700 Subject: Fwd: A Valentine story for all you hopelessly romantic people! (fwd) Message-ID: >>Hi- From a couple of hopelessly romantics-- > >Starts great... > >>>>Send this to nobody... You will have bad luck for at least 5 years. > >... ends horribly. > >I mean, c'mon guys, seriously, how can a "romantic" story end by a curse ? >Don't you find that a bit ridiculous ? > >Alex S. Garcia. Hey thanks Jean, that's a great story. I must concur, however with Alex. The ending is horrible-I'm just sitting here minding my own business, read an uplifting story and then if I continue on about my business I've got 5 years bad luck. That's no good. I will forward it but without the "or else" ending. Thanks for the good part of the story (no doubt surfacing as we draw closer to the 14th). James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Feb 8 17:47:35 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:47:35 -0700 Subject: HW: Silver Machine (Orb remix?) In-Reply-To: <00e101bd344b$41fc7ea0$26433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > >Dealing with remix; the best are Dave Brock's remixes of Lord of Light & > Sonic > >Attack (with Bob Calvert voice) on the last EBS EP; Sonic Attack is > probably > >the freakiest of allI > > > I really liked the Sonic Attack remix as well. I'm unsure if Lord of Light > is a remix though, as it sounds like Ron on vocals. I think it's a new > recording of the song? > > William > "Lord of Light" is definitely new, but it's either a studio recording, or a remixed live version. Comparing it to the live versions done on the fall '95 (Love in Space)tour, it has quite a bit more "swirly synths", and additional guitar which sounds a lot like Jerry. If anyone wants a 3MB .wav file of the 10/28/95 Berlin Marquee version of this song, let me know: novadrive at pangeatech.com Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Sun Feb 8 18:57:41 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:57:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that day!) So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? Also, it's Bob who sings Kadu Flyer right? Re Nik Turner: I was thinking of getting another Nik CD (to complement Space Ritual 94), any suggestions? I saw one with Opa Loka on it (can't remember which one), anyone heard that and can recommend it? There was something else but I've forgotten, oh well.. Wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Feb 8 19:07:35 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:07:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: well, seeing as the other half of chrome is deceased, he'd about have to be there, wouldn't he? ;) yes its helios +whoever else. im sure bob lennon can tell ya anything ya wanna know about it. rj John Majka wrote: > Chrome will be showing up in Chicago as well...I forget the date. Does > anyone know if this is with or without Helios Creed? > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Sun Feb 8 19:55:34 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:55:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: Reply to message from walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET of Sun, 08 Feb > > >Re Nik Turner: >I was thinking of getting another Nik CD (to complement Space Ritual 94), >any suggestions? I saw one with Opa Loka on it (can't remember which one), >anyone heard that and can recommend it? > I for one would recommend Past or Future. It is a live cd of the 1995 tour. Tracklisting: Dreamworker Kadu Flyer Lord of the Hornets Warrior on the Edge of Time ( done by M. Moorcock) Spiral Galaxy 28948 Dying Seas Soul Herder Opa-Loka 10 Seconds of Forever Ejection Audio Energy Highrise Silver Machine You Shouldn't Do That You will not be disappointed. Duane From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 8 21:02:44 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:02:44 EST Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: originally it was Lemmy on vocals, but Calvert's were added later for the single... the original Lemmy version is on..i believe Greasy Truckers? havent listened to that one for a few years In a message dated 98-02-08 18:58:48 EST, you write: << Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that day!) So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? Also, it's Bob who sings Kadu Flyer right? >> From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Feb 8 21:58:19 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:58:19 -0800 Subject: HW: Shakespeare. Message-ID: > > Damn Shakespere copying Hawkwind lyrics! He just doesn't know > where to stop..... > > "I have of late, wherefore I know not, lost my Silver Machine, > And indeed it goes so heavily with my Orgone Accumulator.... > This goodly framed Earth Calling, > Why it apeareth nothing to me but a foul and pestilent Kadu > Flyer..." > > > - "Hawklet" Act 2 Scene 2 > > - Max Wilcox Hey, pretty good, Max! Whenever I try to imitate Shakespeare I usually get as far as one line, 2 tops! Charlie From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Feb 8 22:02:23 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:02:23 +1100 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: At 18:57 8/02/98 -0500, Walrus wrote: > >Re Nik Turner: >I was thinking of getting another Nik CD (to complement Space Ritual 94), >any suggestions? I saw one with Opa Loka on it (can't remember which one), >anyone heard that and can recommend it? BUY IT!!!! This "Past or Future" rules......the best release of uncle Nik's to date....and many on this list would concur.... You will not regret it. Troy obCD: Nik Turner, Past or Future =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Feb 8 22:13:15 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:13:15 -0800 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: ---------- > > originally it was Lemmy on vocals, but Calvert's were added later for the > single... > the original Lemmy version is on..i believe Greasy Truckers? > havent listened to that one for a few years > The only thing I have with it is a bootleg called Assassins of Allah. Vocals aside, the remix-single version is far, far better, clearer... > In a message dated 98-02-08 18:58:48 EST, you write: > > << Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the > single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on > vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that > day!) > So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on > vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? Also, it's Bob who sings > Kadu Flyer right? > >> Nik songs it on Astounding Sounds. As for Nik, I second Duane on Past Or Future--best release of the '90s perhaps. Especially for the brilliant "Opa-Loka 2000". Then get Anubian Lights--I just have the EP Jackal & Nine (which is actually about 50-55 minutes), but it's brilliant, but more techno/ambient than space-rock. Then get Sphynx--I've never heard the original, so I can't compare, but this is very good. Then...um, that '94 release, the name of which I always forget now...some choice tunes, some ICU tunes, some HW tunes, etc. After that, if you find yourself thinking that Nik of the '90s is just incomparable stuff, the best stuff out there, whoopin' Hawkwind '90's butt all over the floor (I don't want to start that old argument, but I feel so empassioned that I had to say this), then get Sonic Attack 2000--which is an odds comp of NT and AL, with some alternate versions/mixes of tunes. Charlie From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Feb 8 22:58:08 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:58:08 -0500 Subject: tBS: Brownies Message-ID: We had a super night of rock and roll at Brownies last night. The music was great. The audience was great. And the vibe was great. Musical highlights of the night for me were: Jack Rigg's vocals on "Midnight Nick," David Roter bizarre rendition of JCHRFtG, hearing Helen Wheels sing "Break the Chains" again after all these years, the X Brothers rocking version of HRtH, the very funny moments in my drum solo in IPTD and all the monster jam songs at the end; CoFwRaR, Astronomy, TV and BtBW. It was also great to see many old friends and supporters, Steve Swann, Richie Stotts, Andy Schernoff, Michael Alago, Ed, Tim, Mark and Mark, Mike, Gary, a whole bunch of Hilfigers I hadn't met before... and, well, actually too many people to mention. I've probably went on too much already. Suffice to say I had a terrific time and I'm pretty sure a whole bunch of others did too. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Feb 8 23:20:51 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:20:51 +1100 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: At 19:13 8/02/98 -0800, herbert rosenberg wrote: > >> So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on >> vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? Also, it's Bob who sings >> Kadu Flyer right? >> >> > >Nik songs it on Astounding Sounds. > > >As for Nik, I second Duane on Past Or Future--best release of the '90s perhaps. Especially for the brilliant "Opa-Loka 2000". Then get Anubian Lights--I just have the EP Jackal & Nine (which is actually about 50-55 minutes), but it's brilliant, but more techno/ambient than space-rock. >Then get Sphynx--I've never heard the original, so I can't compare, but this is very good. Then...um, that '94 release, the name of which I always forget now...some choice tunes, some ICU tunes, some HW tunes, etc. > >After that, if you find yourself thinking that Nik of the '90s is just incomparable stuff, the best stuff out there, whoopin' Hawkwind '90's butt all over the floor (I don't want to start that old argument, but I feel so empassioned that I had to say this), then get Sonic Attack 2000--which is an odds comp of NT and AL, with some alternate versions/mixes of tunes. > >Charlie > I second all the above!! I also think that Nik's "Prophets of Time" is pretty good too, and would love to hear the original "Sphinx" as well.....anyone know where I can get one? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Feb 9 02:39:29 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:39:29 -0700 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > Re Nik Turner: > I was thinking of getting another Nik CD (to complement Space Ritual > 94), > any suggestions? I saw one with Opa Loka on it (can't remember which > one), > anyone heard that and can recommend it? Wal-It's "P.A.S.T. or F.U.T.U.R.E?" I think its awesome! It's buried in the "music bag" right now (the one that goes in the cab) but it has that and a few other gems-a nice version of Kadu Flyer, as well as Lord of the Hornets, High Rise, and a few others that I can't recall right now!! I highly reccommend this one!!! Rock on! Pam > > > There was something else but I've forgotten, oh well.. > > Wal > > ~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Walrus ___ "So happily did he > live, > walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat > _______ | O o | and drink, and for a > _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even > > /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." > _|\ .^. > | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream > =- -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool On Sunday, February 08, 1998 11:58 PM, Walrus [SMTP:walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET] wrote: > Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the > single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on > vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that > day!) > So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on > vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? Also, it's Bob who > sings > Kadu Flyer right? It's on the Glastonbury Fayre triple LP. Availability dubious! And it was probably a good decision to overdub the vocals! It's Turner on KF. > > Re Nik Turner: > I was thinking of getting another Nik CD (to complement Space Ritual 94), > any suggestions? I saw one with Opa Loka on it (can't remember which one), > > anyone heard that and can recommend it? IMO, what you should really be looking out for are the new reissue of Xitintoday, and the ICU complete works (come in Mr Pond). -Andy ObCD: Dark Carnival (Ron Asheton reunited with Niagara from DAM!) - _The Last Great Ride_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 9 04:36:40 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:36:40 +0000 Subject: Ex Hawkwind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , " C WuddlyAaol.com" writes > >[ A MIME text / html part was included here. ] > Um, who's playing then? -- Jon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Feb 9 05:32:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:32:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: Cliff and Pam Wheaton's mail of Mon, 9 Feb 98 00:39 -0700 Message-ID: On 09 Feb 07:39, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Wal-It's "P.A.S.T. or F.U.T.U.R.E?" I think its awesome! That reminds me, I have a copy of this to sell (I prefered Nik when his voice hadn't completely cracked). 7 pounds to anyone in the UK including postage, and I guess fifteen US dollars to someone in the USA; if you're in another country we can sort out price later. I second the recommendation for the re-release of Xitintoday, BTW. Dave. P.S. If anyone is interested in a vinyl copy of Henry Cow's concerts, for around 25 pounds, contact me, because I've just bought it on CD. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Feb 9 05:48:14 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:48:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <19980209031604648.AAA156@herbrose> Message-ID: > originally it was Lemmy on vocals, but Calvert's were added later for the > single... > the original Lemmy version is on..i believe Greasy Truckers? > havent listened to that one for a few years I hate to differ here, but Silver machine was recorded live at the Roundhouse in Chalk Farm, London Feb(?) 1972. (Need to look at the single for the actual date.) The gig was recorded, and the tracks that have been released from it so far are: Born to Go (Greasy Truckers/Weird 106 Cassette) Master of the Universe (Greasy Truckers/Weird 106 Cassette) Jam (Same riff as "The Reason Is") (Weird 106 Cassette) Silver Machine (Glastonbury Fayre) Welcome to the Future (Glastonbury Fayre) These are the principal releases, and probably have been released elsewhere etc. Bob was on vocals for "Born to Go", "Silver Machine", and "Welcome to the Future", and as we all know, SM was reworked in the studio, putting on Dave's lead guitar and replacing Bob's Lyric with Lemmy's. Interesting though, Bob handles all the vocals on the ORIGINAL 7 by 7 B-side, but even though he was on the Space Ritual tour, he didn't do the live vocals. (Or DID he do the live vocals, which were then replaced by Dave's in the studio? - the cover did say that there were some overdubs!) Further releases of 7 by 7 had the live version, with Dave on the main vocal. There may have been yet another version too! And there's another thing! The original end bit that linked Brainstorm and 7 by 7 was removed from the original LP, as it was the change from side 3 to side 4, but it can still be heard on space Ritual vol 2! It should have found its way onto the re-mastered CD - shame really 'cos it's a classic HW'72 riff! I must admit, I enjoyed 7 by 7 on thr Teepee tour very much indeed. I heard a rumour that the track was played in some of the summer 1985 gigs - is this true Rambled on for far too long. Best wishes to all on BOC-L Guy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 07:10:01 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:10:01 GMT Subject: Silver Machine (Orb remix) Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >>I thought it was to be a B-Side on the 15th Anniversary re-release of SM >>by EMI. This release didn't happen. I also seem to remember something >>about DS not approving. I could be wrong about this. >That should have been 25th Anniversary. >orb-viously. >Jon Nah, it should have been *Silver* anniversary. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 07:15:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:15:57 GMT Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: Walrus's message of Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: Walrus writes: > Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the > single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on > vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that > day!) > So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on > vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? The version I know of with Bob on vocals is the one from the Glastonbury Fayre triple album. I believe that the actual SM version is from the Greasy Truckers gig though? > Also, it's Bob who sings > Kadu Flyer right? Is it? It sounds like Nik Turner. > Wal FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Feb 9 09:31:03 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:31:03 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Chrome will be Helios Creed and various members of Pressurehed. Tommy Grenas, Paul Fox. regards, Bill Stewart From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Feb 9 09:12:42 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:12:42 +0200 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) In-Reply-To: <9c55e9a8.34df1329@aol.com> Message-ID: >Chrome will be Helios Creed and various members of Pressurehed. Tommy Grenas, >Paul Fox. > >regards, >Bill Stewart In other words, Chrome will not really be Chrome but Helios Creed and his friends playing Chrome songs! It should still be good and spacey! SCott ObLP- On Trial- Head Entrance (Denmark 1996) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Feb 9 10:24:55 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:24:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <6714481009021998/A19121/LNMV02/11C24AB00E00*@MHS> Message-ID: Hello! At 10:48 09.02.98 +0000, you wrote: >I hate to differ here, but Silver machine was recorded live at the Roundhouse >in Chalk Farm, London Feb(?) 1972. It was on 13.02.1972 >I must admit, I enjoyed 7 by 7 on thr Teepee tour very much indeed. I heard a >rumour that the track was played in some of the summer 1985 gigs - is this true Yes, during the short (only 4 gigs) June tour in 1985 Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Feb 9 00:32:57 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:32:57 +0800 Subject: OFF: Marilyn Manson/Wonder Years Message-ID: Hi all Apparently a US documentary said that Marilyn Manson is the kid with the glasses who was Fred Savage's pal in the Wonder Years? William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 9 12:48:23 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:48:23 GMT Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:15:57 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Walrus writes: > > > Well, I was reading the sleeve notes of Stasis, and it said that the > > single release of Silver Machine was originally with Bob Calvert on > > vocals, but was later changed to Lemmy (I thought Dave sounded funny that > > day!) > > > So, my question is, is the original version of Silver Machine with Bob on > > vocals available? Am I a moron for even asking? > > The version I know of with Bob on vocals is the one from the Glastonbury > Fayre triple album. I believe that the actual SM version is from the > Greasy Truckers gig though? As Guy says.... The 7" single is a re-done studio version with Lemmy on vocals The original version was live at the Roundhouse (also known as the Greasy Truckers concert) with Bob on vocals however the track was not released on the Greasy Truckers album but on Glastonbury Fayre. My Question: So why did the two Hawkwind tracks from the Roundhouse appear on the Glastonbury Fayre album? This has puzzled me muchly for many years! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Mon Feb 9 13:57:38 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:57:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <199802091215.MAA04284@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, M Holmes wrote: > > Also, it's Bob who sings > > Kadu Flyer right? > > Is it? It sounds like Nik Turner. > gads, after all these years i thought it was bob's singing! you know what this means don't you, now i've gotta go relisten to all my hw stuff! damn! ;) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Feb 9 14:41:30 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:41:30 -0800 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:48:23 GMT, J Strobridge wonders: >The 7" single is a re-done studio version with Lemmy on vocals >The original version was live at the Roundhouse (also known as the >Greasy Truckers concert) with Bob on vocals however the track was not >released on the Greasy Truckers album but on Glastonbury Fayre. Right; the label on the 7" even states the original live recording date (as verified by Bernhard in an earlier message), so the single version and Glastonbury Fayre version are originally the same recording. The single version was created by editing the live version (it's shorter), replacing Bob's lead vocal with Lemmy's on the original multitrack (4? 8? 16?), and adding Dave's lead guitar and Del's synth (those are the only differences I hear). (BTW the Cardinal Sin version of "Silver Machine" on the vinyl version of 'Assassins of Silence' was put together in exactly the same way: live backing track used, then edited down and new vocals/fx overdubbed - a tribute to both the song and the recording process). >My Question: So why did the two Hawkwind tracks from the Roundhouse appear >on the Glastonbury Fayre album? This has puzzled me muchly for many >years! Well, this contradicts the "official" gig list, but I read somewhere (I think it may have been the first Record Collector article on Hawkwind from 1985) that the Hawkwind performance from Glastonbury was not used because Dave Brock isn't on it! Apparently it was one of those gigs where he was the member of Hawkwind too tripped-out to stand up, let alone play, so Thom Crimble (of Skin Alley, and former HW bassist) filled in on guitar for the gig. Since "Silver Machine" and "Welcome" were left over from the Roundhouse recording, and not used on the 'Greasy Truckers' set, they were used on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' release. Can anyone verify this (Bernhard?!?), or am I just repeating an unsubstantiated urban myth? Incidentally, HW aren't the only band on 'Glastonbury' whose live recording comes from a different date; the Grateful Dead's "Dark Star" was from an earlier performance (and, of course, the Bolan, Bowie & Townshend tracks are studio recordings). I'm pretty sure that the rest of the tracks on the set were actually recorded at the Fayre (don't have my copy handy to verify, though). And then, on another subject, herbert rosenberg adds at Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:13:15 -0800: >As for Nik, I second Duane on Past Or Future--best release of the '90s >perhaps. Especially for the brilliant "Opa-Loka 2000". Then get Anubian >Lights--I just have the EP Jackal & Nine (which is actually about 50-55 >minutes), but it's brilliant, but more techno/ambient than space-rock. >Then get Sphynx--I've never heard the original, so I can't compare, but >this is very good. Then...um, that '94 release, the name of which I always >forget now...some choice tunes, some ICU tunes, some HW tunes, etc. That's 'Prophets of Time'. >After that, if you find yourself thinking that Nik of the '90s is just >incomparable stuff, the best stuff out there, whoopin' Hawkwind '90's butt >all over the floor (I don't want to start that old argument, but I feel so >empassioned that I had to say this), then get Sonic Attack 2000--which is >an odds comp of NT and AL, with some alternate versions/mixes of tunes. I definitely agree that 'Past or Future' is the best 90s Nik release after 'Space Ritual 94' (being a live recording from the following year's tour). Although I like 'Sphynx' and 'Prophets of Time', I feel that they both suffer in comparison to the originals. After all, the original 'Sphynx/Xitintoday' has the amazing lineup of ex-Gong members, including Steve Hillage and Tim Blake. And most of the ICU remakes on 'Prophets' lack the energy, spirit and humor of the original versions (this is partially due, I'm sure, to the way in which the recording was put together by trans-Atlantic overdubbing) - you gotta get the ICU CD-ROM from Steve Pond to hear the BEST post-HW Nik music! The only exception (all IMO, of course) is "Stonehenge Who Knows," since Simon House is a better violinist than Dead Fred Reeves (not a put-down; that's like saying that someone isn't as good a guitarist as Hendrix). Then there's also the problem of songwriting credits on 'Prophets of Time', but that's another can o' worms ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Stotz's Blue Leg Expedition 'Traveling by Spore' From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 9 16:14:35 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Subject: Fwd: A Valentine story for all you hopelessly romantic people! (fwd) Message-ID: Hi kiddies! This story has been shamelessly lifted from either CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL VOL III or VOL IV and is a true story (yes, I read these books; they are great for a lift when the whole world seems like it is populated with total idiots / morons / a**holes/ etc.). To say that you will be cursed if you don't pass it along, well, IMHO the moron that added that bilgewash should be sued for illegal reproduction (or maybe they should slap that charge on the individuals' parents! >:-) ). (Sheesh, did I say "sued"? Me, suggesting a lawyer be sicced on someone, let me take my temperature...) It is a nice story; enjoy it and don't worry about some bogus "curse". I look at chain letters, which this is, the same way that I look at the 17 billionth repost of MAKE MONEY FAST, with complete and total disregard for the supposed outcomes if I do not act/react. Some peoples' children... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: James Coburn To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: A Valentine story for all you hopelessly romantic people! (fwd) >>>Hi- From a couple of hopelessly romantics-- >> >>Starts great... >> >>>>>Send this to nobody... You will have bad luck for at least 5 years. >> >>... ends horribly. >> >>I mean, c'mon guys, seriously, how can a "romantic" story end by a curse ? >>Don't you find that a bit ridiculous ? >> >>Alex S. Garcia. > >Hey thanks Jean, that's a great story. I must concur, however with Alex. >The ending is horrible-I'm just sitting here minding my own business, read >an uplifting story and then if I continue on about my business I've got 5 >years bad luck. That's no good. I will forward it but without the "or >else" ending. > >Thanks for the good part of the story (no doubt surfacing as we draw closer >to the 14th). > >James Coburn >Albuquerque, NM > From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Feb 9 17:18:56 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:18:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Marilyn Manson/Wonder Years Message-ID: Reply to message from xl5 at IINET.NET.AU of Mon, 09 Feb > >Hi all > >Apparently a US documentary said that Marilyn Manson is the kid with the >glasses who was Fred Savage's pal in the Wonder Years? > >William > > I heard this also, but then heard that it is not true. I have no facts or knowledge to back either claim but remember when alot of people used to say that Eddie Hasckell (from Leave it to Beaver) was John Holmes? Duane From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Feb 9 19:39:27 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:39:27 -0800 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:12:42 +0200, Scott Heller added: >>Chrome will be Helios Creed and various members of Pressurehed. >>Tommy Grenas, Paul Fox. >>regards, >>Bill Stewart > >In other words, Chrome will not really be Chrome but Helios Creed and his >friends playing Chrome songs! > >It should still be good and spacey! I heard (last year, from mr. Grenas, actually) that the Stench brothers (John & Hilary) were going to be the rhythm section, with Tommy replacing the late Damon Edge on synths. This would be 3/4ths of the final Creed-era Chrome lineup that made 'Chronicles', 'Blood On The Moon', etc. I'd consider that to be as valid a Chrome lineup as you could possibly put together these days (T.G. also told me that he'd "inherited" some of Damon's old equipment, which would be put to use on the tour ... will he run around stage wearing a Moog Liberation?). Of course, that lineup may have fallen through/fallen apart in the six months or so since I heard that news, so you certainly shouldn't take my word as gospel. Regardless, mr. Heller's description should hold true! Any SFBayArea boc-l'ers gonna be at the Great American Music Hall show? -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Standells 'Try It' From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Feb 9 21:34:03 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:34:03 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: very well said doug.....i now need not be redundant in my comments.. bl In a message dated 98-02-09 19:45:39 EST, you write: << >>Chrome will be Helios Creed and various members of Pressurehed. >>Tommy Grenas, Paul Fox. >>regards, >>Bill Stewart > >In other words, Chrome will not really be Chrome but Helios Creed and his >friends playing Chrome songs! > >It should still be good and spacey! I heard (last year, from mr. Grenas, actually) that the Stench brothers (John & Hilary) were going to be the rhythm section, with Tommy replacing the late Damon Edge on synths. This would be 3/4ths of the final Creed-era Chrome lineup that made 'Chronicles', 'Blood On The Moon', etc. I'd consider that to be as valid a Chrome lineup as you could possibly put together these days (T.G. also told me that he'd "inherited" some of Damon's old equipment, which would be put to use on the tour ... will he run around stage wearing a Moog Liberation?). Of course, that lineup may have fallen through/fallen apart in the six months or so since I heard that news, so you certainly shouldn't take my word as gospel. Regardless, mr. Heller's description should hold true! Any SFBayArea boc-l'ers gonna be at the Great American Music Hall show? -Doug ceres at sirius.com >> From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 9 22:34:52 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:34:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > In other words, Chrome will not really be Chrome but Helios Creed and his > friends playing Chrome songs! > > It should still be good and spacey! > > SCott um, yes, as opposed to damon edge and _his_ friends playing chrome songs. sorta like nik turner and _his_ friends playing hawkwind songs, or dave brock and _his_ friends playing hawkwind songs. ;) just foolin' around there, but im sure there's a point in there somewhere. helios now has the rights to chrome and chrome material. after he got the royal shaft from damon on those rights, i think it is only just that he be given his fair shot with it. rj From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Feb 10 16:14:57 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:14:57 EST Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <6714481009021998/A19121/LNMV02/11C24AB00E00*@MHS>; from "LN1GJT" at Feb 9, 98 10:48:14 am Message-ID: Hi > lead guitar and replacing Bob's Lyric with Lemmy's. Interesting though, Bob > handles all the vocals on the ORIGINAL 7 by 7 B-side, but even though he was > on the Space Ritual tour, he didn't do the live vocals. (Or DID he do the live > vocals, which were then replaced by Dave's in the studio? - the cover did say > that there were some overdubs!) Further releases of 7 by 7 had the live > version, with Dave on the main vocal. There may have been yet another version > too! > Im sure this is mentioned in one of the hawkfans,7x7 had a different ending whenit was first released,something about a guitar solo. > > I must admit, I enjoyed 7 by 7 on thr Teepee tour very much indeed. I heard a > rumour that the track was played in some of the summer 1985 gigs - is this true Well they played it at the reading gig along with some of the COTBS material. Song of the swords was different to how it ended up. I have a tape of one of those gigs with it on,if you want it let me know. Someone also wrote about Clive Deamer and Portishead,you can see what he looks like on the ECT show or whatever it was called,and there's an lp with some photos of him with Harvey but cant remember which one. regards Marty From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Feb 10 02:59:05 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:59:05 -0800 Subject: OFF: Marilyn Manson/Wonder Years Message-ID: > > > >Apparently a US documentary said that Marilyn Manson is the kid with the > >glasses who was Fred Savage's pal in the Wonder Years? > > > >William > > > > > I heard this also, but then heard that it is not true. I have no facts > or knowledge to back either claim but remember when alot of people used to > say that Eddie Hasckell (from Leave it to Beaver) was John Holmes? > > Duane Or that King Diamond was the kid from the Munsters (or the Addams Family, forget which)... Charlie From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Tue Feb 10 06:10:59 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:10:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts In-Reply-To: <34DB43F9.DA307AD9@geocities.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:10:20 +0000 Rich Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > Since when has Huddersfield been a source of greatness? If > > it was Bradford... > > ---------------------- > > > > You jest, surely? :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObThingToDoTonight: Get bladdered in the Tabard. The only thing Huddersfield has going for it is an impressive football ground. Apart from that, it sucks dead goats. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Tue Feb 10 06:14:22 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:14:22 +0000 Subject: CALVERT - new links In-Reply-To: <34DD7674.3FE8126B@thing.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:10:12 +0100 stalker wrote: > hi there, > > two interesting new links on the Calvert Collab-O-Relations pages - > > one leading to LEMMYMANIA - a very interesting new page on Lemmy and > Motorhead > - with lots of material especially on Lemmy's pre Motorhead days (and > promising more) > > another one to the new official homepage of NemesiS - inventive ambient > / trance band > from Finland, Calvert Collab-Relators.... > > best, > knut Do you have an adress for the Lemmy page?? ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Feb 10 09:23:17 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:23:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fw: weird facts Message-ID: Nick Widdows wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since when has Huddersfield been a source of greatness? If > > > it was Bradford... > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > You jest, surely? :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ObThingToDoTonight: Get bladdered in the Tabard. > > The only thing Huddersfield has going for it is an > impressive football ground. Apart from that, it sucks dead > goats. > ---------------------- > Nick Widdows > NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk Well, that's one up on Bradford then... :-) Cheers, Rich. ** "I've got a 4AD 3D CD and I'm on a foundation course" ** From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Feb 10 11:42:21 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:42:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980209114130.007a7820@sirius.com> Message-ID: At 11:41 09.02.98 -0800, you wrote: >>My Question: So why did the two Hawkwind tracks from the Roundhouse appear >>on the Glastonbury Fayre album? This has puzzled me muchly for many >>years! > >Well, this contradicts the "official" gig list, but I read somewhere (I >think it may have been the first Record Collector article on Hawkwind from >1985) that the Hawkwind performance from Glastonbury was not used because >Dave Brock isn't on it! Apparently it was one of those gigs where he was >the member of Hawkwind too tripped-out to stand up, let alone play, so Thom >Crimble (of Skin Alley, and former HW bassist) filled in on guitar for the >gig. Since "Silver Machine" and "Welcome" were left over from the >Roundhouse recording, and not used on the 'Greasy Truckers' set, they were >used on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' release. Can anyone verify this >(Bernhard?!?), or am I just repeating an unsubstantiated urban myth? I didn't read about it. But fact is that Dave couldn't play the Glastonbury gig on 23.06.1971 because he was ill. The lineup was: CB/OL/TU/DE/CA Bernhard From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Feb 10 13:04:23 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:04:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead, part 2 Message-ID: well, i just remembered the other thing i was gonna ask about, and a few more things popped in my head, so here goes: i) how did bob calvert die? (OD, illness?) ii) now i'm interested in what songs bob does sing (it feels like the john/paul dilemma when i first started listening to the beatles). when did bobjoin the band as a singer? does he sing on xisos/sr/asam/hotmg/woteot? iii) why was nik sacked from the band and was dave's "new sound" he wanted for hw ever appear? if this is qsac then i guess the sound maybe slightly different but in essence the same right? (is that bob singing on qsac?) hmmm.. well sorry for all the quessies, but you know.. also where can one see the tape list? have any of the tapes been transferred to cd-r's? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Feb 10 13:06:59 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:06:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Marilyn Manson/Wonder Years In-Reply-To: <19980210080204129.AAA73@herbrose> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, herbert rosenberg wrote: > Or that King Diamond was the kid from the Munsters (or the Addams Family, forget which)... > or that tony martin is the guy from "where's wally" (aussies may only get this one) ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Feb 10 01:19:32 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:19:32 +0800 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead, part 2 Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Walrus To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 2:13 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead, part 2 >well, i just remembered the other thing i was gonna ask about, and a few >more things popped in my head, so here goes: > >i) how did bob calvert die? (OD, illness?) > A massive heart attack! >ii) now i'm interested in what songs bob does sing (it feels like the >john/paul dilemma when i first started listening to the beatles). when did >bobjoin the band as a singer? does he sing on xisos/sr/asam/hotmg/woteot? > He sings the majority of material on the albums Astounding Sounds..., Quark..., PXR5, 25 Years On, Hawklords Live, and some others from the Hawklords & Sonic Assassins period. He also sings on the original Urban Guerilla & Orgone Accumulator tracks. There's bound to be others I've forgot! >iii) why was nik sacked from the band and was dave's "new sound" he wanted >for hw ever appear? if this is qsac then i guess the sound maybe slightly >different but in essence the same right? (is that bob singing on qsac?) > That's Bob singing. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 10 15:10:49 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:10:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... Message-ID: Bernhard says... >>Well, this contradicts the "official" gig list, but I read somewhere (I >>think it may have been the first Record Collector article on Hawkwind from >>1985) that the Hawkwind performance from Glastonbury was not used because >>Dave Brock isn't on it! Apparently it was one of those gigs where he was >>the member of Hawkwind too tripped-out to stand up, let alone play, so Thom >>Crimble (of Skin Alley, and former HW bassist) filled in on guitar for the >>gig. Since "Silver Machine" and "Welcome" were left over from the >>Roundhouse recording, and not used on the 'Greasy Truckers' set, they were >>used on the 'Glastonbury Fayre' release. Can anyone verify this >>(Bernhard?!?), or am I just repeating an unsubstantiated urban myth? > >I didn't read about it. But fact is that Dave couldn't play the Glastonbury >gig on 23.06.1971 because he was ill. The lineup was: CB/OL/TU/DE/CA If that means CrimBle/OLlis/TUrner/DEttmar/CAlvert, then Crimble must've played both bass & guitar simultaneously. :) Perhaps Dave Anderson was there as well??? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I didn't realise Calvert performed with HW this early. When was his first on-stage performance? From kg at THING.DE Tue Feb 10 15:14:57 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:14:57 +0100 Subject: CALVERT - new links Message-ID: n.w. wrote: Do you have an adress for the Lemmy page?? just go to the Calvert Collab-O-Relations page: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm the new links on NemesiS and Lemmy can be found at the end of the resp. pages / frames best - knut From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Feb 10 15:17:04 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:17:04 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void updates Message-ID: There are some minor updates to the Golden Void pages. To see what is new, point your browser to: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/whatsnew.html The main pages is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Updates/corrections/additions are always welcome. Regards, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 politics, n: From the Latin "poly", meaning many, and "tic", meaning little blood-sucking insects. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Feb 10 16:31:25 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:31:25 -0800 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:04:23 -0500, Walrus queried: >ii) now i'm interested in what songs bob does sing (it feels like the >john/paul dilemma when i first started listening to the beatles). To the best of my knowledge, Bob sings: on 'Greasy Truckers Party' "Born To Go" on 'Glastonbury Fayre' "Silver Machine", "Welcome" on the single, "Seven By Seven" (middle recitation, Dave sings the verses) on 'Space Ritual' "Born To Go", "The Awakening", "The Black Corridor", "Orgone Accumulator", "Seven By Seven" (as above), "Ten Seconds of Forever", "Welcome to the Future" on the single, "Urban Guerilla" on 'Astounding Sounds' everything except "Kadu Flyer" on 'Quark...' and 'Hawklords/25 Years On' everything on 'PXR5' everything except "Infinity", "Life Form" and "PXR5" Nik sings: on 'XiSoS' "You Shouldn't Do That" (shared w/Dave), "Master of the Universe", "Children of the Sun" on 'Doremi...' "Brainstorm" on 'Greasy Truckers Party' & 'Space Ritual' see above on 'HotMG' "D-Rider" on 'WotEoT' "The Wizard Blew His Horn", "Standing On The Edge", "Dying Seas" on 'Astounding Sounds' "Kadu Flyer" ... plus lots of backing vocals, and some other stuff with Hawkwind live 82-84 ('Zones', 'This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic', 'Undisclosed Files', etc.) Please correct me if any of this information is wrong! >when did >bob join the band as a singer? does he sing on xisos/sr/asam/hotmg/woteot? Even though Bob was the main creative force (with Barney Bubbles & the band) on the 'XiSoS' Hawklog, he doesn't sing on any of the UA studio albums. You should check the gig list (try http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/gigs/) for the dates of Calvert's (or anyone else's) first/last gigs with the band. It's fascinating reading, given HW's volatile membership and the number of musicians who have been in and out and in and ... >iii) why was nik sacked from the band and was dave's "new sound" he wanted >for hw ever appear? Allegedly, Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell threatened to quit during the recording of the "Back On The Streets"/"Dream of Isis" single unless Nik was removed. Brock and Calvert then used this as an excuse to replace Rudolph and Powell with Adrian Shaw (after the single, but before 'QS&C'). It seems rather convoluted and confusing to me, leaving numerous unanswered questions, but isn't that always the way HW presonnel changes work out? also, on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:10:49 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: >Bernhard says... > >>>Well, this contradicts the "official" gig list, but I read somewhere (I >>>think it may have been the first Record Collector article on Hawkwind >>>from 1985) that the Hawkwind performance from Glastonbury was not used >>>because Dave Brock isn't on it! [...rest of Doug's old post snipped ...] > >>I didn't read about it. But fact is that Dave couldn't play the >>Glastonbury gig on 23.06.1971 because he was ill. The lineup was: >>CB/OL/TU/DE/CA Yes, this is what the "official" list says, I was looking at the Glastonbury '72 date when I said that it contradicted the list; my mistake. >If that means CrimBle/OLlis/TUrner/DEttmar/CAlvert, then Crimble must've >played both bass & guitar simultaneously. :) Perhaps Dave Anderson was >there as well??? That would make sense, since he's listed as bassist in all the gigs immediately before and after the Fayre, but I've also heard that the reason he was fired from the band was because he was too much into making money and not enough into playing free festivals. >P.S. I didn't realise Calvert performed with HW this early. When was his >first on-stage performance? Check the gig list! :^) (URL above) -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Cheater Slicks 'Forgive Thee' From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Tue Feb 10 17:07:29 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:07:29 -0700 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead, part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > also where can one see the tape list? have any of the tapes been > transferred to cd-r's? > > wal Oooo, I'm not going to touch that one with a ten-foot-anything............ Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Feb 10 20:17:14 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:17:14 -0800 Subject: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: > Nik sings: > on 'XiSoS' "You Shouldn't Do That" (shared w/Dave), "Master of the > Universe", "Children of the Sun" > on 'Doremi...' "Brainstorm" > on 'Greasy Truckers Party' & 'Space Ritual' see above > on 'HotMG' "D-Rider" > on 'WotEoT' "The Wizard Blew His Horn", "Standing On The Edge", "Dying Seas" Moorcock on Wizard. Charlie From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Feb 10 22:30:25 1998 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:30:25 -0500 Subject: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: > Who does the vocals for Sonic Attack on Space Ritual? I have wondered this for a long time. Also who does the background vocals on Sonic Attack, you know _himself_Chris From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Feb 11 15:17:40 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:17:40 EST Subject: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <34E11B50.D83EF8CA@tiac.net>; from "Chris Raymond" at Feb 10, 98 10:30:25 pm Message-ID: > > > > > Who does the vocals for Sonic Attack on Space Ritual? I have wondered this for a Bob Calvert > long time. Also who does the background vocals on Sonic Attack, you know > _himself_Chris Lemmy regards marty From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 11 02:28:40 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:28:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > on 'Quark...' and 'Hawklords/25 Years On' everything on quark... doesn't brock do most of the vox on microman? i don't know, but when he sang it in 95 it sounded an awful lot like the original vocals..... > Allegedly, Paul Rudolph and Alan Powell threatened to quit during the > recording of the "Back On The Streets"/"Dream of Isis" single unless Nik > was removed. Brock and Calvert then used this as an excuse to replace > Rudolph and Powell with Adrian Shaw (after the single, but before 'QS&C'). > It seems rather convoluted and confusing to me, leaving numerous unanswered > questions, but isn't that always the way HW presonnel changes work out? also, according to nik: huw lloyd was a large force in the decision, quoted as saying"im sick of him stepping all over my leads!" (with the sax.) rj From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Feb 11 05:06:20 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:06:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Hi >sorta like nik turner and _his_ friends playing hawkwind songs, or dave >brock and >_his_ friends playing hawkwind songs. ;) just foolin' around there, but >im sure >there's a point in there somewhere. Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think that the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Feb 11 05:30:46 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:30:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <34E15327.25F8E1AF@blackboard.com> Message-ID: rj writes (with reference to Nik's sacking): >also, according to nik: huw lloyd was a large force in the decision, quoted as >saying"im sick of him stepping all over my leads!" (with the sax.) >rj RJ, you're probably right there, but that was the second ocassion when Nik was fired, back in 1985. (I think Nik's last gig as a full member of the line-up was the gig at Whitehorse Hill, Wiltshire UK, summer solstace 1985. This was in-lieau of playing at Stonehenge that year, as the authorities were cracking down! At that time, Huw was in the band, but the first sacking prior to Quark S & C, Huw had been absent for six or seven years, not due to re-appear on the scene until the 1979 tour. Nik re-surfaced at the Christmas 1981 gig at the Rainbow Theatre, London. Quite a superb gig, with Calvert and Moorcock guesting too! Before HW's set Bob and Nik did a rather version of Masters of the Universe, with just a Stylophone (remember those awfull things that Rolf Harris used to advertise!) and sax. I didn't really sound too good on the tape that I heard of the gig!(Allegedly, there are cassette copies of this gig still floating around amongst the tape-swappers - shouldn't be too hard to track down a copy!) Apparantly, Calvert and Moorcock had a punch-up after the gig. (Probably due to musical differences, and (of course) nothing to do with the fact that one of their wives ditched one for the other, or so the rumours go - allegedly(again)!) Nik then appeared at the various summer festivals in 1982 (before he acquired his red-spike hair-do, and he used to wear a white suit!) I suppose he was fully back on-board the mothership for the winter 1982 Masques tour. Complicated stuff this Hawkwind? Guy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 11 05:39:29 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:39:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 11, 1998 10:31 AM, LN1GJT [SMTP:Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM] wrote: > Nik re-surfaced at the Christmas 1981 gig at the Rainbow Theatre, London. > Quite > a superb gig, with Calvert and Moorcock guesting too! Before HW's set Bob > and > Nik did a rather version of Masters of the Universe, with just a > Stylophone > (remember those awfull things that Rolf Harris used to advertise!) and > sax. I > didn't really sound too good on the tape that I heard of the gig! > (Allegedly, > there are cassette copies of this gig still floating around amongst the > tape-swappers - shouldn't be too hard to track down a copy!) Apparantly, > Calvert and Moorcock had a punch-up after the gig. (Probably due to > musical > differences, and (of course) nothing to do with the fact that one of > their > wives ditched one for the other, or so the rumours go - allegedly(again)!) > I can't remember, was it a stylophone, or was it Bob's little Wasp synth (which he used to use quite often)? Jill Riches, MM's second wife, did marry Bob in the early 80's, which seems like a fair excuse for fisticuffs to me :) Something the other day reminded me of how Bob really hated John Cooper Clarke - probably something to do with Murray Lachlan Young, whom I suspect Bob would have hated too - and how he did an absolutely wicked JCC impression which consisted of wearing a wig and reciting a poem in Clarke's style, which was actually better than any of Clarke's own poems... -Andy ObCD: _The Stooges_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 11 06:05:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:05:12 GMT Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:31:25 -0800 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:04:23 -0500, Walrus > queried: > > >ii) now i'm interested in what songs bob does sing (it feels like the > >john/paul dilemma when i first started listening to the beatles). > > To the best of my knowledge, Bob sings: > on 'Greasy Truckers Party' "Born To Go" > on 'Glastonbury Fayre' "Silver Machine", "Welcome" > on the single, "Seven By Seven" (middle recitation, Dave sings the verses) > on 'Space Ritual' "Born To Go", "The Awakening", "The Black Corridor", Eh? It sure sounds like Nik on The Awakening. FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Feb 11 06:40:24 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:40:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <199802111105.LAA23182@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP writes: >Doug Pearson writes: > >> On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:04:23 -0500, Walrus >> queried: >> >> >ii) now i'm interested in what songs bob does sing (it feels like the >> >john/paul dilemma when i first started listening to the beatles). >> >> To the best of my knowledge, Bob sings: >> on 'Greasy Truckers Party' "Born To Go" >> on 'Glastonbury Fayre' "Silver Machine", "Welcome" >> on the single, "Seven By Seven" (middle recitation, Dave sings the verses) >> on 'Space Ritual' "Born To Go", "The Awakening", "The Black Corridor", > >Eh? It sure sounds like Nik on The Awakening. > >FoFP I must admit, I thought that it was Bob on SR doing Thw Awakening. Nik would always do the poetry whenever Bob wasn't at a gig or on a tour, such as on the 1999 tour. Guy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 11 08:08:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:08:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: Destroy! exhibition Message-ID: I was in the vicinity of the Festival Hall (London) this morning so I stopped in to see the (free) exhibition of punk artwork. Interesting, worth a visit if you're in the area (but probably not worth a special trip). List relevance is the presence of Barney Bubbles' artwork for Ian Dury and Elvis Costello (I hadn't realised _Armed Forces_ came in a fold-out sleeve a la _ISOS_), next to Jamie Reid's more famous stuff; but overall I thought it suffered from not really having any structure or contextualisation. You'd be looking at some Factory stuff, then some X-Ray Spex, then for no reason at all some bollocks like Haysi Fantayzee ("John Wayne is Big Leggy"). And while it's obvious that (e.g.) some of the Siouxsie sleeves owed a debt to Mondrian, it would have been good to see, for instance, some Dada or Futurist stuff to illustrate those influences on other pieces. And an awful lot of the stuff was just crap. And several of the sleeves are also in my record collection (and in better nick too! :). The only bit of contextualisation on offer was a montage of pre-punk record sleeves to show what they were rebelling against - one was _Some Enchanted Evening_ - and I half-expected to see one of Barney's Hawkwind sleeves there too, which would have been ironic (but thankfully no!). In fact it would have been illuminating to have put, say _ISOS_ next to the Costello sleeve to show that there was actaully some continuity between pre- and post-punk, but that would have been against the thesis of the show (such as it was). And _25 Years On_ (one of Barney's, yes, though not typical of his HW work?) would have been one of the best pieces in the show, had it been included (and it would have been very relevant for obvious reasons). Mustn't grumble, it *was* free, but it could have been really interesting done properly. Still, it was a real time-warp for me, though, like browsing in Andy's Records back in '79... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Feb 11 08:51:07 1998 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:51:07 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 Feb 1998 to 6 Feb 1998 In-Reply-To: <199802061007.KAA28834@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > > > .. is a travesty of justice. Bah humbug - all I got was Dwight Yoakam! > > You just won't let that lie, will you? :) > > Come back any time and I promise, no hat music!! I don't trust you anymore ;) > (Not that there's anything wrong with Dwight Yoakam... :) Next you'll be expounding the virtues of Joe Ely! Maxine From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 11 09:18:23 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:18:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > rj writes (with reference to Nik's sacking): > > >also, according to nik: huw lloyd was a large force in the decision, quoted as > >saying"im sick of him stepping all over my leads!" (with the sax.) > >rj > > RJ, you're probably right there, but that was the second ocassion when Nik was > fired, back in 1985. (I think Nik's last gig as a full member of the line-up > was the gig at Whitehorse Hill, Wiltshire UK, summer solstace 1985. This was > in-lieau of playing at Stonehenge that year, as the authorities were cracking > down! > > At that time, Huw was in the band, but the first sacking prior to Quark S & C, > Huw had been absent for six or seven years, not due to re-appear on the scene > until the 1979 tour. yes, that sounds right. i never really was buffed on the history of line-ups and politics. it was just something i remembered, and i dint think of the time-line. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 11 09:21:27 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:21:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Hi > > >sorta like nik turner and _his_ friends playing hawkwind songs, or dave > >brock and > >_his_ friends playing hawkwind songs. ;) just foolin' around there, but > >im sure > >there's a point in there somewhere. > > Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing > Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think that > the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion > of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. well, i know what you are saying, and agree with you to some extent. but that is not what i meant. i was actually being playfully sarcastic. it's all hawkwind to me. i dont bicker about which version it is. if its got the sound, and the feel, its hawkwind. i wouldnt say the magic is gone, but altered.rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 11 09:46:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:46:10 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: Brownies gig last Sat. Message-ID: Sounds like a rockin' good time was had by all last Saturday night in NYC. Anybody on the list attend? I've seen a few mini-reviews of the gig, and I'll try to post later if no-one else does. Hope another such gig will be done in the future - one which I can manage to get to! John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 11 09:19:19 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:19:19 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 Feb 1998 to 6 Feb 1998 Message-ID: >Next you'll be expounding the virtues of Joe Ely! > > >Maxine > Hey, what is wrong with Joe Ely?!? Anyone who was buds with The Clash in their glory days can't be all bad!! (BOC / Clash connection; Sandy Perlman produced the second Clash release GIVE 'EM ENOUGH ROPE. Said to have a HM sound to it; been decades since I spun the LP, so don't remember.) obBook: Last Gang In Town / Story of The Clash obCDPlayer: Super Black Market Clash / The Clash (guess what mood I'm in?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Feb 11 11:02:40 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:02:40 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: Brownies gig last Sat. Message-ID: John said: >Sounds like a rockin' good time was had by all last Saturday night in >NYC. Anybody on the list attend? I've seen a few mini-reviews of the >gig, and I'll try to post later if no-one else does. I planned to, but in the end my finances wouldn't allow it. I would have loved to have heard Hot Rails and Tattoo Vampire, not to mention the monster jams with the two Bouchard attack. I wonder if David Roter was selling any of his older CDs there as well? Even though I missed this show I feel extremely lucky to have seen tBS twice this winter, especially the post-Christmas show with Helen Wheels. So I can't complain. >Hope another such gig will be done in the future - one which I can manage >to get to! Amen to that. Brian obCD> tBS: Trepanation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Feb 11 11:14:31 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:14:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Your captain is dead... In-Reply-To: <199802102010.PAA11633@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 15:10 10.02.98 -0500, you wrote: >If that means CrimBle/OLlis/TUrner/DEttmar/CAlvert, then Crimble must've >played both bass & guitar simultaneously. :) Perhaps Dave Anderson was >there as well??? No. AFAIK they played without bass (have to look for the article again) >P.S. I didn't realise Calvert performed with HW this early. When was his >first on-stage performance? It was LONDON, SISTERS CLUB, 26.05.1971 Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 11 11:08:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:08:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <5446301011021998/A05031/LNMV02/11C25A9E2A00*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <5446301011021998/A05031/LNMV02/11C25A9E2A00*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >RJ, you're probably right there, but that was the second ocassion when Nik was >fired, back in 1985. (I think Nik's last gig as a full member of the line-up >was the gig at Whitehorse Hill, Wiltshire UK, summer solstace 1985. This was >in-lieau of playing at Stonehenge that year, as the authorities were cracking >down! It was an alright show, but I did not appreciate the tripping skinhead next to me pulling his nob out and pissing down my leg. He didn't do it on purpose, he was just so far gone he didn't give a shit. festivals, eh? -- Jon From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Feb 11 12:00:38 1998 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: Unsubcsribe In-Reply-To: <199802111446.JAA20523@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 11 13:14:18 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:14:18 GMT Subject: OFF: Destroy! exhibition In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:08:35 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > there too, which would have been ironic (but thankfully no!). In fact it > would have been illuminating to have put, say _ISOS_ next to the Costello > sleeve to show that there was actaully some continuity between pre- and > post-punk, but that would have been against the thesis of the show (such as > it was). And _25 Years On_ (one of Barney's, yes, though not typical of > his HW work?) would have been one of the best pieces in the show, had it > been included (and it would have been very relevant for obvious reasons). my memory just wandered off on tangent here... apparently the album sleeve of the Imperial Pompadours "Ersatz" looked like an album by Elvis Costello and (according to a bloke in a record shop who seemed to know these things) this was the reason that Ersatz sold extremely well when it first came out - people bought it thinking it was EC. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Feb 11 13:33:06 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:33:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: Hi >> Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing >> Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think that >> the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion >> of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. > >well, i know what you are saying, and agree with you to some extent. but that >is not what i meant. i was actually being playfully sarcastic. it's all >hawkwind to me. i dont bicker about which version it is. if its got the >sound, and the feel, its hawkwind. i wouldnt say the magic is gone, but >altered.rj Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp here, I haven't heard the last one yet... Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Wed Feb 11 14:53:26 1998 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:53:26 +0300 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: I think that Hawkwind is Hawkwind until Dave Brock in it. He is the only one who really can create Hawkwind spirit. (I know that someone can not agree with me). I still hadn't a chance to listen to last album, but I like all their nineties albums. Only ITBOFTBD take a long time for me to understand. And my fave Hawkwind album is Business Trip. So, for me, they are still Hawkwind. Dmitri Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got > the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real > Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened > before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, > whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not > Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace > Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You > don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp > here, I haven't heard the last one yet... > > Kenneth From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Feb 12 12:03:00 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:03:00 EST Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <5446301011021998/A05031/LNMV02/11C25A9E2A00*@MHS>; from "LN1GJT" at Feb 11, 98 10:30:46 am Message-ID: > > At that time, Huw was in the band, but the first sacking prior to Quark S & C, > Huw had been absent for six or seven years, not due to re-appear on the scene > until the 1979 tour. > > Nik re-surfaced at the Christmas 1981 gig at the Rainbow Theatre, London. Quite Didn't Nik join in with the band at the Sci-Fi festival in leeds in 79. He also played at one of the lyceum gigs in july 1980,but didn't join in at all.Was this one of Simon Kings last gigs. regards Marty ObMemory:Nik singing Blue rinsed haggered robot lyceum 1980 & Tim Blake singing NAti & Lighthouse same gig. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Feb 11 22:04:40 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:04:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got > the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real > Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened > before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, > whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not > Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace > Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You > don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp > here, I haven't heard the last one yet... > i love both nik's space ritual 94 and palace springs, but i think they did a good job of recapturing the old feel on tepee as well. this is coming from somewone who isn't all that impressed with hw's church/masques phase.. *shrug* wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Feb 11 22:07:59 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) In-Reply-To: <34E201B6.3C516FDD@elnet.msk.ru> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Dmitri Lapitski wrote: > I think that Hawkwind is Hawkwind until Dave Brock in it. He is the only > one who really can create Hawkwind spirit. (I know that someone can not > agree with me). > I still hadn't a chance to listen to last album, but I like all their > nineties albums. Only ITBOFTBD take a long time for me to understand. > And my fave Hawkwind album is Business Trip. So, for me, they are still > Hawkwind. > whats business trip like? is it worth getting? how does it compare to et? i know, i know, i keep going on about the recent good and bad albums, but i've been a bit out of touch with hw over the last coupla years.. another thing, what is simon king upto? (imwo, he was the best drummer hw ever had) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Feb 11 22:24:07 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:24:07 +1100 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: At 19:33 11/02/98 +0100, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >Hi > >>> Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing >>> Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think that >>> the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion >>> of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. >> >>well, i know what you are saying, and agree with you to some extent. but that >>is not what i meant. i was actually being playfully sarcastic. it's all >>hawkwind to me. i dont bicker about which version it is. if its got the >>sound, and the feel, its hawkwind. i wouldnt say the magic is gone, but >>altered.rj > >Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got >the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real >Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened >before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, >whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not >Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace >Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You >don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp >here, I haven't heard the last one yet... > >Kenneth > > yep, gotta agree here. Nik is doing Hawkwind a little better than they are at the moment. with Past or Future and the 1994 thing. But the Hawks have never been static, have they? They always change, but the last couple of versions habe not hit the spot have they? But, I can imagine those among us who have been long standing fans would have had seen some versions which were not too good in their opinions either. Some dont like the neo punk stuff, others dont like the metallish stuff...whatever. Troy > > >Bishop Garden Records >Box 747 >521 22 Falkoping >SWEDEN >Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 >bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > >The Moor >http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > >The Moor Tour Info >http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm > >This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 11 22:57:32 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:57:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > It was an alright show, but I did not appreciate the tripping skinhead > next to me pulling his nob out and pissing down my leg. He didn't do it > on purpose, he was just so far gone he didn't give a shit. > > festivals, eh? not far gone enuff, i'd say. think i'd have to have helped him on a bit.rj > -- > Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 11 23:45:00 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:45:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Solitude Message-ID: Is it safe to attribute the recent "calm" on BOC - L to calendar watching? How about a rousing, pointless, debate on the ramifications of including selected songs from Club Ninja in the Imaginos storyline? Gee, just a thought. L Ghost In the Ruins OBCD - Mahogany Rush - IV "If you hear the sound I'm talking 'bout Then you know he's near And your time is running out Don't you fear there's nothing you can say 'Cause he'll appear and take you to the special space" From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 12 00:09:08 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:09:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Solitude In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Is it safe to attribute the recent "calm" on BOC - L to calendar >watching? > >How about a rousing, pointless, debate on the ramifications of including >selected songs from Club Ninja in the Imaginos storyline? > either that or we're all trying to figure out what the eleventh song on the album is? Ted ObCD: The Tea Party - Transmission From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Feb 12 01:35:00 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:35:00 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-11 22:21:00 EST, you write: << At 19:33 11/02/98 +0100, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >Hi > >>> Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing >>> Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think that >>> the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion >>> of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. >> >>well, i know what you are saying, and agree with you to some extent. but that >>is not what i meant. i was actually being playfully sarcastic. it's all >>hawkwind to me. i dont bicker about which version it is. if its got the >>sound, and the feel, its hawkwind. i wouldnt say the magic is gone, but >>altered.rj > >Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got >the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real >Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened >before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, >whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not >Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace >Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You >don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp >here, I haven't heard the last one yet... > >Kenneth > > yep, gotta agree here. Nik is doing Hawkwind a little better than they are at the moment. with Past or Future and the 1994 thing. But the Hawks have never been static, have they? They always change, but the last couple of versions habe not hit the spot have they? But, I can imagine those among us who have been long standing fans would have had seen some versions which were not too good in their opinions either. Some dont like the neo punk stuff, others dont like the metallish stuff...whatever. Troy >> this is funny....the subject line is Chrome....... anyhow...Spaceship Hawkwind is still flying and thats all that matters to me... sorry for adding another post to this subject line Space is deep bl From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Feb 12 02:02:18 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:02:18 -0800 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: ---------- > > To the best of my knowledge, Bob sings: > > on 'Greasy Truckers Party' "Born To Go" > > on 'Glastonbury Fayre' "Silver Machine", "Welcome" > > on the single, "Seven By Seven" (middle recitation, Dave sings the verses) > > on 'Space Ritual' "Born To Go", "The Awakening", "The Black Corridor", > > Eh? It sure sounds like Nik on The Awakening. > > FoFP Nay, nay, 'tis Bob, allright! Who else could read Bob's poetry like that but Bob? Charlie From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Feb 12 01:23:13 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:23:13 +0200 Subject: BOC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also, I just got the BOC show from NYC 10-5-74 and this is great! The only bad thing is you can't hear the drums at all... Great version of Astronomy and Dominance, both not played on the Long Beach show two weeks later. >Ghost In the Ruins >OBCD - Mahogany Rush - IV > Just let you know that Mahogany Rush- World Anthem is now out on CD! Scott ObCs- Bob Marley- Harvard Stadium 7-21-79 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Feb 12 01:25:39 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:25:39 +0200 Subject: HW:Bedouin Message-ID: Hej, Can someone post up a review of this CD... Who plays on it. Go thru it song for song, how long is it.. Is it a nice packaging.. and of course your opinion on whether to buy it or the new Huw Lloyd Langton?? SCott ObCs- King Crimson- Pier, NYC 6-26-84 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Feb 12 02:53:50 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:53:50 -0800 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s) Message-ID: > > whats business trip like? is it worth getting? how does it compare to et? > > i know, i know, i keep going on about the recent good and bad albums, but > i've been a bit out of touch with hw over the last coupla years.. > Walrus-- This is, imo, the best of the '90s. It took a looooong time to grow on me. I listen to '90s HW almost never...and this is by far the topper for me. Just try to forget that there are only three guys and pre-programmed sequencers and listen to a wonderful space-rock symphony...after all, if hadn't seen this band live or had any sleeve credits, wouldn't most of us think it was a regular band? Hmm, I could be wrong here, and some are more sensitive to this... On another hand, one can simply marvel at how spontaneous and "real" they made it sound. Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Feb 12 03:02:38 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:02:38 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Tea Party Message-ID: ---------- > > Ted > > ObCD: The Tea Party - Transmission Does anyone remember my urging 1-2 years ago about how everyone should go out and buy The Tea Party? Well, Transmission wasn't what I had in mind at the time (especially since it wasn't released yet). I still say buy Splendor Solis and Edges of Twilight. Transmission is, in my mind, a sell-out, catering quite a bit to the current electronic-pop trend... (though, if you can get your mind off that, it might not be too bad, actually). If anyone is interested in hearing some of the most mind-blowing music ever recorded, send me a tape. And no, I'm not a promotor, nor am I from Canada, I'm just passionate about music. And they've hit it big w/Trans, so they don't need any underground promo... Charlie From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Feb 12 04:31:23 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:31:23 +0200 Subject: HW:Bedouin Message-ID: Scott wrote: > Hej, > > Can someone post up a review of this CD... Who plays on it. Go thru > it song for song, how long is it.. Is it a nice packaging.. and of course > your opinion on whether to buy it or the new Huw Lloyd Langton?? > > SCott Don't know about the CD, is it released now ? But I heard the demo (blue) vynil with 4 tracks on it; it's good material, not much singing ; better drum than expected, and acceptable rock/ambient style. Olivier ============================================================ European WebSoup ============================================================ European WebSoup trawls the Net for you and brings its readers a digest of news about the interactive media industries of Europe. Published Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 12 04:46:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:46:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Tea Party Message-ID: On tor 12 feb 1998 00.02 -0800 "herbert rosenberg" wrote: > Does anyone remember my urging 1-2 years ago about how everyone should go out and buy The Tea Party? Well, Transmission wasn't what I had in mind at the time (especially since it wasn't released yet). I still say buy Splendor Solis and Edges of Twilight. Transmission is, in my mind, a sell-out, catering quite a bit to the current electronic-pop trend... (though, if you can get your mind off that, it might not be too bad, actually). **** I picked up Splendor Solis, and it is damn good. Haven't gotten Edges of Twilight ... yet. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Feb 12 04:49:18 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:49:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... In-Reply-To: <7a8c8c9f.34e29816@aol.com> Message-ID: Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bob Lennon > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 11:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... > > > In a message dated 98-02-11 22:21:00 EST, you write: > > << At 19:33 11/02/98 +0100, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > >Hi > > > >>> Exactly my thoughts, there is no Hawkwind anymore just two bands doing > >>> Hawkwind-covers, no I didn't say that they are bad, just that I think > that > >>> the magic is gone. I hope that they can get it together for the promotion > >>> of the 1999 Party and that they can avoid just being nostalgic. > >> > >>well, i know what you are saying, and agree with you to some extent. but > that > >>is not what i meant. i was actually being playfully sarcastic. it's all > >>hawkwind to me. i dont bicker about which version it is. if its got the > >>sound, and the feel, its hawkwind. i wouldnt say the magic is gone, but > >>altered.rj > > > >Yes, of course, but I don't think that the Hawks in the nineties have got > >the right sound or feel to be Hawkwind, the closest anyone been to the real > >Hawkfeel in the nineties was Nik on Space Ritual '94, but it has happened > >before. Like the Levitation line-up, Ginger Baker had no feeling, > >whatsoever, for the old material, just listen to Death Trap on Do Not > >Panic, it's horrible. Last time Hawkwind were Hawkwind was on Palace > >Springs, I really like It's The Business... and Business Trip, but You > >don't get the unfocused dreamy look, do You ? I must put in a brasklapp > >here, I haven't heard the last one yet... > > > >Kenneth > > > > > > yep, gotta agree here. Nik is doing Hawkwind a little better than they are > at the moment. with Past or Future and the 1994 thing. > But the Hawks have never been static, have they? They always change, but > the last couple of versions habe not hit the spot have they? But, I can > imagine those among us who have been long standing fans would have had seen > some versions which were not too good in their opinions either. Some dont > like the neo punk stuff, others dont like the metallish stuff...whatever. > > Troy > >> > this is funny....the subject line is Chrome....... > anyhow...Spaceship Hawkwind is still flying and thats all that matters to > me... > sorry for adding another post to this subject line > Space is deep > bl > From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Feb 12 05:02:05 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:02:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... In-Reply-To: <7a8c8c9f.34e29816@aol.com> Message-ID: >> > this is funny....the subject line is Chrome....... > anyhow...Spaceship Hawkwind is still flying and thats all that matters to > me... > sorry for adding another post to this subject line > Space is deep > bl > Don't be sorry...This whole thingy concerns Hawkwind, and whether everyone's conceptions of their music and the whole scene matches what they feel is THE Hawkwind feel, or whatever.... This is a completely personal thingy, and reflects each individuaal's current, or past, perception of what Hawkwind OUGHT to be. And I am right, and no one else is, by Gum... I may be crazy, but I think that they shouldn't be caught in Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. '72; this is '98, for shit sake... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 12 05:39:27 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:39:27 GMT Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:03:00 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Didn't Nik join in with the band at the Sci-Fi festival in leeds in > 79. He also played at one of the lyceum gigs in july 1980,but didn't > join in at all.Was this one of Simon Kings last gigs. Yep, Nik was at that gig. Someone has been promising me a tape of it for about 4 years now. FoFP From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 12 06:57:50 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:57:50 +1000 Subject: OFF: Marilyn Manson/Wonder Years Message-ID: On 10 Feb 98 at about 13:06, Walrus scribed: > or that tony martin is the guy from "where's wally" (aussies may only get > this one) ;) Tee hee ... he does look like him (but then again, Wally *is* funny!) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 12 06:01:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:01:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:26 AM, Scott Heller [SMTP:shll at HAGEDORN.DK] wrote: > Hej, > > Can someone post up a review of this CD... Who plays on it. Go > thru > it song for song, how long is it.. Is it a nice packaging.. and of course > your opinion on whether to buy it or the new Huw Lloyd Langton?? > > SCott Too busy (Really! Me!) to do a track-by-track right now, but fwiw here's the track list: Rock Palace (4.30) Wadi Dhar (11.19) Passion is an Animal (5.25) Alhadan (5.48) Space Rock Cafe (4.55) One Moon Circles* (5.05) Queen of the Night (5.14) Eyes in the Dark (7.12) Sand Devil (2.37) All tracks by Davey except * Davey/Thompson Band is Alan + Sean Massett (gtr) and Danny Thompson (dr) "Sand Devil" recorded on 4-track in 1987 "Passion" and "Queen" are the only tracks with vocals (by Alan) Jewel case, nice arabesque cover design, 8-page insert. If you've not been to the Bedouin lands in Sinai and Jordan, you really ought to! I bought this, which is OK, and not the HLL, but then I've never been HLL's greatest fan so take that as you will. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Feb 12 09:32:06 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:32:06 +1000 Subject: OFF: The Tea Party Message-ID: At 09:46 AM 12/02/98 +0000, you wrote: >On tor 12 feb 1998 00.02 -0800 "herbert rosenberg" > wrote: >> Does anyone remember my urging 1-2 years ago about how everyone should >go out and buy The Tea Party? Well, Transmission wasn't what I had in mind >at the time (especially since it wasn't released yet). I still say buy >Splendor Solis and Edges of Twilight. Transmission is, in my mind, a >sell-out, catering quite a bit to the current electronic-pop trend... >(though, if you can get your mind off that, it might not be too bad, >actually). >**** > > I picked up Splendor Solis, and it is damn good. Haven't gotten >Edges of Twilight ... yet. > >Cheers, >Carl SS and EoT are the only two I've got and I heartily agree that they are both well worth having. Fine songs, powerful vox, sharp playing. I haven't heard Transmission, though - after hearing an interview with the band when they toured Oz I didn't think it would appeal to my biased tastes in music. Oh, and while I think of it, does anyone know how a tBS' _Eponymous_ CD turned up in a Brisbane 2nd hand shop recently? Surely it didn't come from a boc-ler?! My good fortune, of course, but really... Pete. ObCD: Teenage Fanclub - _Songs From Northern Britain_ (It won't change your life, but Big Star fans will pick the influence immediately. I hear they've even "collaborated" with Alex Chilton at some point, whatever that means) ******************************************************* Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris *********************************** From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Feb 12 10:19:51 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:19:51 EST Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-12 05:02:36 EST, you write: << >> > this is funny....the subject line is Chrome....... > anyhow...Spaceship Hawkwind is still flying and thats all that matters to > me... > sorry for adding another post to this subject line > Space is deep > bl > Don't be sorry...This whole thingy concerns Hawkwind, and whether everyone's conceptions of their music and the whole scene matches what they feel is THE Hawkwind feel, or whatever.... This is a completely personal thingy, and reflects each individuaal's current, or past, perception of what Hawkwind OUGHT to be. And I am right, and no one else is, by Gum... I may be crazy, but I think that they shouldn't be caught in Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. '72; this is '98, for shit sake... >> um...ok....please repeat in english.....? ???? bl From mwood at AGILE.COM Thu Feb 12 10:30:53 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:30:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin purchases Message-ID: Just FYI for the people who already contacted me about getting the various Hawkwind and Hawkwind related Griffin CDs: I'm going to be out of the office until Feb 23, so I'll be unsubscribing until then. When I return, I'll get in touch with each of you. I'm sorry to say that I can't possibly accept any new requests for these CDs - I already have 14 (!) people who are interested, and the reality is that after the first 5-6 people, I have my doubts as to what I can do. Sorry. MWood From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 12 10:18:05 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:18:05 -0700 Subject: OFF : MR World Anthem Message-ID: >OBCD - Mahogany Rush - IV > >Just let you know that Mahogany Rush- World Anthem is now out on CD! >Scott It is? Haven't seen it. Whats the label? Thanks Ghost in the Ruins "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." - Chance, Savatage From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 11 09:34:32 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:34:32 GMT Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <199802121039.KAA12444@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:39:27 GMT, you sent through the ether: >Yep, Nik was at that gig. Someone has been promising me a tape of it for >about 4 years now. ICU played the same night as Hawkwind, I was there but can`t remember if Nik played with Hawkwind or not, ICU also supported at both Lyceum gigs, Lemmy played with ICU, can`t remember if Nik played with Hawkwind.. :) S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 12 12:07:18 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:07:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Solitude Message-ID: >Is it safe to attribute the recent "calm" on BOC - L to calendar >watching? > >How about a rousing, pointless, debate on the ramifications of including >selected songs from Club Ninja in the Imaginos storyline? > LOL. Actually, there's an interesting discussion going on on Jack Heffling's "BOC On-Line" website. The thread concerns what 15 tracks (12 existing, 1 new, and 2 "TV Mixes") would you put on a "Cult Classic II" CD? My favorite response was the "Buck's Boogie (TV Mix)". John From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Feb 12 13:12:05 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:12:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Chrome tour date(s)subject in transition... In-Reply-To: <10065312103446@pangeatech.com> Message-ID: > Don't be sorry...This whole thingy concerns Hawkwind, and whether everyone's > conceptions of their music and the whole scene matches what they feel is THE > Hawkwind feel, or whatever.... > > This is a completely personal thingy, and reflects each individuaal's > current, or past, perception of what Hawkwind OUGHT to be. > And I am right, and no one else is, by Gum... > > I may be crazy, but I think that they shouldn't be caught in Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. '72; this is '98, for shit sake... > Please ignore the above; there was someone (or something) else in my head when it went out................. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Feb 12 13:40:07 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:40:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Tea Party Message-ID: > At 09:46 AM 12/02/98 +0000, you wrote: > >On tor 12 feb 1998 00.02 -0800 "herbert rosenberg" > > wrote: > >> Does anyone remember my urging 1-2 years ago about how everyone should > >go out and buy The Tea Party? Well, Transmission wasn't what I had in mind > >at the time (especially since it wasn't released yet). I still say buy > >Splendor Solis and Edges of Twilight. Transmission is, in my mind, a > >sell-out, catering quite a bit to the current electronic-pop trend... > >(though, if you can get your mind off that, it might not be too bad, > >actually). > >**** > > > > I picked up Splendor Solis, and it is damn good. Haven't gotten > >Edges of Twilight ... yet. > > > >Cheers, > >Carl It's even a notch above SS, I think. Too bad they couldn't maintain that style for another album... > > SS and EoT are the only two I've got and I heartily agree that they are > both well worth having. Fine songs, powerful vox, sharp playing. I haven't > heard Transmission, though - after hearing an interview with the band when > they toured Oz I didn't think it would appeal to my biased tastes in music. > Oh yeah--I'm not Australian either! :) The second largest contingent of TP fans in the world, after Canada. > Oh, and while I think of it, does anyone know how a tBS' _Eponymous_ CD > turned up in a Brisbane 2nd hand shop recently? Surely it didn't come from > a boc-ler?! My good fortune, of course, but really... > > Pete. > Charlie From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu Feb 12 13:46:54 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:46:54 +0000 Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours Message-ID: I have the CD rerelease of Xitintoday, and it's excellent ;-) I would recommend anyone to get it....Tim Blake on Synths and Steve Hillage as well... Someone mentioned the Imperial Pompadours LP(I think it was Jill).. Has anyone got this....if so what does it sound like? I was chatting to John Hughes many moons past(He used to run the Calvert info service, and was Sound engineer on the tour Calvert did with Maximum Effect). He said that he actually had the masters for the Pompadours album! (He had video footage and mixing desk recording of the tour) He's the guy who put out the ICU best of CD, it was going to be followed by a live Calvert CD but he didn't have the finance in the end... eldritch From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 12 13:59:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:59:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: Steve Pond's mail of Wed, 11 Feb 98 14:34 +0000 Message-ID: On 11 Feb 14:34, Steve Pond wrote: > ICU played the same night as Hawkwind, I was there but can`t remember if > Nik played with Hawkwind or not, ICU also supported at both Lyceum gigs, > Lemmy played with ICU, can`t remember if Nik played with Hawkwind.. :) Lemmy plays with Nik, Nik plays with Dave, Dave plays with Lemmy, Lemmy is happy again. Hawks without frontiers, Hawks without tiers. Dave. -- - Measurement is engineering. Everything else is bullshit. - Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 12 17:22:29 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:22:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Tea Party In-Reply-To: <19980212080601765.AAA157@herbrose> Message-ID: >Does anyone remember my urging 1-2 years ago about how everyone should go >out >and buy The Tea Party? Well, Transmission wasn't what I had in mind >at the time >(especially since it wasn't released yet). I still say buy >Splendor Solis and >Edges of Twilight. Transmission is, in my mind, a >sell-out, catering quite a >bit to the current electronic-pop trend... >(though, if you can get your mind >off that, it might not be too bad, >actually). >If anyone is interested in hearing some of the most mind-blowing music >ever >recorded, send me a tape. >And no, I'm not a promotor, nor am I from Canada, I'm just passionate >about >music. And they've hit it big w/Trans, so they don't need any >underground >promo... >Charlie don't know if I was on the list then.....I got it at the urging of some people on the Queensryche newsgroup. they came up while we were discussing Fates Warning, QR and some others....not that they sound anything like either of those two. haven't heard the other two discs, but I like Transmission, so I'll probably hunt them down Ted From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 11 17:20:43 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:20:43 GMT Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: <34E3439E.6902F002@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:46:54 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Someone mentioned the Imperial Pompadours LP(I think it was Jill).. > >Has anyone got this....if so what does it sound like? It`s fantastic. Barneys finest hour.. If you`re quick (I`m going to stop making `em when it breaks even) you can get the ICU Mp3 CD-ROM which has a full copy of the album on it from the ICU web site.. >I was chatting to John Hughes many moons past(He used to run the Calvert >info service, and was Sound engineer on the tour >Calvert did with Maximum Effect). He said that he actually had the >masters for the Pompadours album! Not true. he "allegedly" has a 7ips copy of the master, the ownership of which is dubious, all the ICU archives are with Jon too.. unfortunately he is to put it mildly disorganized.. Fred and I get back what we can when we can, but it`s never enough.. :) I want the 8 track demo Fred & I made of "Owselys World" back! I paid for it, it`s mine! grrr... >(He had video footage and mixing desk recording of the tour) I have a pretty good DAT of one of those shows which I`ve been meaning to clean up for ages.. >He's the guy who put out the ICU best of CD, it was going to be followed >by a live Calvert CD but he didn't have the >finance in the end. I doubt he`d have put out a Calvert one, he has no claim on it, at least with ICU he can pretty much get Fred, Trevor, Mick, Nik & I on the phone and see if we`re into it. I don`t think anyone (except maybe John) made any money from the "Passout" release, and personally I would have like to have seen better bonus tracks and a proper sleeve.. gripe gripe. -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk/icu From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Feb 12 19:25:48 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:25:48 +0100 Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours Message-ID: At 18:46 12.02.98 +0000, you wrote: >I have the CD rerelease of Xitintoday, and it's excellent ;-) > >I would recommend anyone to get it....Tim Blake on Synths and Steve >Hillage as well... Tasty... my vinyl dub is a little too organic sounding.... >Someone mentioned the Imperial Pompadours LP(I think it was Jill).. > >Has anyone got this....if so what does it sound like? Just like the album included on the top-notch essential 100% groove simulated ICU CDrom... - the second side of Imperial Pompadours is a monster mindblower... (well, _imagining_ "second side", it being in this case an MP3 file stored on a CD). Yet it is much more mindblowing than just that.. the Imperial Pompadours is an excellent lp... >I was chatting to John Hughes many moons past(He used to run the Calvert >info service, and was Sound engineer on the tour >Calvert did with Maximum Effect). He said that he actually had the >masters for the Pompadours album! Steve Pond's vinyl is the only true master now! >(He had video footage and mixing desk recording of the tour) > >He's the guy who put out the ICU best of CD, Now this I haven't heard of... what's it called?? speaking of, anyone seen the recent avalanche of Pink Fairies reissues/comps? > it was going to be followed >by a live Calvert CD but he didn't have the >finance in the end... Well, if it was the Queen Elizebath Hall it came out anyway :) Christian >eldritch > > From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Feb 13 01:30:08 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:30:08 -0800 Subject: The Tea Party Message-ID: > > don't know if I was on the list then.....I got it at the urging of > some people on the Queensryche newsgroup. they came up while we > were discussing Fates Warning, QR and some others....not that they > sound anything like either of those two. Right, and don't let that turn off the HW/Blanga contingent here either--I mean, this is like ice cream, all kinds of people will dig it... Even your occasional elecronic effect... Many BOC fans would love this, I'm sure, as the music tends to be grounded in Zeppelin, vocals like J. Morrison...but still, you could not even like those bands and dig the TP...I know many who do... And, remember: START WITH SPLENDOR SOLIS AND EDGES OF TWILIGHT, NOT TRANSMISSION!! haven't heard the other > two discs, but I like Transmission, so I'll probably hunt them down > > Ted Charlie From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 12 03:06:21 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:06:21 GMT Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980213012548.03023a64@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:25:48 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Well, if it was the Queen Elizebath Hall it came out anyway :) The QEH was the first gig we did, the tapes from later on have more songs (Robot, High Rise, Damnation Alley etc etc..) and we`d actually learned how to play them by then.. :) ..still got the acursed drum machine tho` :( -S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 13 05:32:08 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:32:08 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 Feb 1998 to 6 Feb 1998 Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 11, 1998 1:51 PM, Maxine Wesley [SMTP:mxw at DMU.AC.UK] wrote: > > Next you'll be expounding the virtues of Joe Ely! We-ell, last time Carl and Tania were here, they caught me in my Rammstein phase, so maybe you got off lightly :) -Andy ObCD: _Lost Highway_ OST (featuring Rammstein, along with list faves Marilyn Manson, Smashing Pumpkins, David Bowie, Trent Reznor... :) -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 13 08:19:56 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:19:56 -0600 Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: Reliable sources state the 11th song on the new BOC album is: "Lollipops, Candy Canes, Fluffy Clouds and You (A retro interpretation of the song White Flags)" Hope that settles the debate. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe..... JS>Actually, there's an interesting discussion going on on Jack Heffling's "BOC On-Line" website. The thread concerns what 15 tracks (12 existing, 1 new, and 2 "TV Mixes") would you put on a "Cult Classic II" CD? My favorite response was the "Buck's Boogie (TV Mix)". This sounds like a good thread. What's the consensus thus far? Ghost in the Ruins From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 13 09:29:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:29:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rammstein in a cowboy hat Message-ID: On fre 13 feb 1998 10.32 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > On Wednesday, February 11, 1998 1:51 PM, Maxine Wesley [SMTP:mxw at DMU.AC.UK] > wrote: >> Next you'll be expounding the virtues of Joe Ely! > > We-ell, last time Carl and Tania were here, they caught me in my Rammstein > phase, so maybe you got off lightly :) Marvelous it was too :) They'll be playing Dynamo this year, I gather ... ObBook: _Rhinos, Winos, & Lunatics_ :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 13 11:27:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:27:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Rammstein in a cowboy hat Message-ID: On Friday, February 13, 1998 2:30 PM, Carl E Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > > Marvelous it was too :) They'll be playing Dynamo this year, I > gather ... > They actually played a date at the Powerhaus last November, but I only found out about it the next day. And anyway I wasn't sure of the dress code :) > ObBook: _Rhinos, Winos, & Lunatics_ :) > Excellent! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 13 12:18:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:18:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rammstein in a cowboy hat Message-ID: On fre 13 feb 1998 16.27 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > They actually played a date at the Powerhaus last November, but I only > found out about it the next day. And anyway I wasn't sure of the dress > code :) Yeah, I guess Britain was still all out of giant pink flowers then .. ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 13 12:50:12 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:50:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: >Reliable sources state the 11th song on the new BOC album is Actually, the rumor I've heard is that it is something "familiar"... JS>Actually, there's an interesting discussion going on on Jack Heffling's "BOC On-Line" website. The thread concerns what 15 tracks (12 existing, 1 new, and 2 "TV Mixes") would you put on a "Cult Classic II" CD? My favorite response was the "Buck's Boogie (TV Mix)". >This sounds like a good thread. What's the consensus thus far? Since when do BOC fans arrive at a consensus? ;-) There are a few lists from people, with some commonality between them, but, as always, there's always a few songs that someone picked that no-one else did. Anyway, here's my submission to the thread: Interesting thead. O.K., I'll bite. Here's my "Cult Classic II". I am going to assume that this would be recorded with the current lineup, so a Joe or Albert sung song would be out (like, say, "Hot Rails to Hell" or "Death Valley Nights"). 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. Golden Age of Leather 3. Last Days of May 4. Veteran of the Psychic Wars 5. The Vigil 6. Lips in the Hills 7. I Love the Night (all 3 verses) 8. I Am the One You Warned Me Of 9. The Subhuman 10 Seven Screaming Diz-Busters 11. Tattoo Vampire 12. Take Me Away 13. Still Burnin' 14. Golden Age of Leather (TV Mix - might be hard to sing the acappella intro without a click track though...) 15. Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (TV Mix) - well, since the rules don't seem to dictate that the TV Mixes need to be songs from CCII... John From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri Feb 13 12:59:22 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:59:22 +0000 Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours Message-ID: ;-) John Hughes was always notoriously difficult to pin down.. His shop used to be great...its gone downhill a bit now.. I could never tell if he was just fibbing about the Imperial Pompadour master..now I know ;-) I had some A4 mags he put out in 86(I think) These had a list of merchandise with vids/audio...of gigs with Calvert. There were several gigs listed one at Carlisle Stars and Stripes One at Albert Dock Liverpool, and one at Hull claiming to be over 2 hours and professionally produced.... Has anyone seen any of that footage...I'm particularly interested in the Carlisle one(because it's where I grew up)... eldritch From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 13 13:41:56 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:41:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: Rammstein in a cowboy hat Message-ID: On Friday, February 13, 1998 5:18 PM, Carl E Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > > Yeah, I guess Britain was still all out of giant pink flowers then You haven't seen the cover of their second album then! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Feb 13 13:06:24 1998 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:06:24 -0700 Subject: BOC: The Red and the Black Message-ID: I was just wandering around the X-Files page and noted that an upcoming episode of the X-Files is titled "The Red and the Black". The air date for the show is 3-8-98. No explanantion of the contents of the show are available yet. Any BOC/X-Files fans out there? :) Patiently waiting for THAT DAMNED ALBUM TO COME OUT!!!!!!!!!.....patiently....patiently... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 12 14:36:43 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:36:43 GMT Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: <34E489FA.5D104916@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:59:22 +0000, you sent through the ether: >There were several gigs listed one at Carlisle Stars and Stripes >One at Albert Dock Liverpool, and one at Hull claiming to be over 2 >hours and professionally produced.... > >Has anyone seen any of that footage...I'm particularly interested in the >Carlisle one(because it's where I grew up)... I`ve never seen any of these (Hey I was only in the band, like he`d tell me about `em..) but Iu do have the audio from Carlisle on DAT, it sounds fab.. gimmie some time and I`ll make a CD out of it.. I wouldn`t imagine the video would be much fun to watch, only 2 of us standing up and certainly no actual movement.. :) ..I can`t even remember playing Hull.. The Albert Docks one would be V funny, that was a ICU show with Calvert guesting, he totally lost it that night railing against M. Thatcher between most songs.. I remember we didn`t play too well that night tho`... worst ever ever version of all a Bob dylan song whose title escapes me, and I think if you ever hear the audio you`ll realise I never knew how to play it before we played it and I didn`t learn during.. :/ Keep prodding me about the carlisle audio.. -Steve From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Feb 13 16:36:03 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:36:03 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Live Songs Message-ID: Has anybody heard BOC perform songs other than 'I'd Like to See You In Black", "Live For Me", or "Harvest Moon"? -Pete (gettin' with the MGMVE) -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 13 18:16:39 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:16:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rammstein in a cowboy hat Message-ID: On fre 13 feb 1998 18.41 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > On Friday, February 13, 1998 5:18 PM, Carl E Anderson > [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: >> Yeah, I guess Britain was still all out of giant pink flowers then > > You haven't seen the cover of their second album then! :) Can't remember it if I did!! I think you got it either when I was there or just after ... Cheers, Carl ObCD: Spiritual Beggars, _Mantra III_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Feb 13 18:37:48 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:37:48 -0500 Subject: HW Videos Message-ID: HW Videos: any reccommendations? it had suddenly occurred to me that i have never seen any hw live or otherwise, well, anything! (yes i am one of those unfortunates) one which has dave, nik, simon king, lemmy would be good mehtinks.. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Feb 13 22:52:00 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:52:00 -0500 Subject: HW Videos Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > one which has dave, nik, simon king, lemmy would be good mehtinks.. hahahahaha! that's like watching "dances with wolves" for the 5th time, still hoping it ends differently! we'd all like to see that!ya have to settle for something newer.... rj From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Sat Feb 14 05:54:37 1998 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (mark.robertson@virgin.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:54:37 -0000 Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours Message-ID: >On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:59:22 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >>There were several gigs listed one at Carlisle Stars and Stripes >>One at Albert Dock Liverpool, and one at Hull claiming to be over 2 >>hours and professionally produced.... >> >>Has anyone seen any of that footage...I'm particularly interested in the >>Carlisle one(because it's where I grew up)... > > >I`ve never seen any of these (Hey I was only in the band, like he`d tell >me about `em..) but Iu do have the audio from Carlisle on DAT, it sounds >fab.. gimmie some time and I`ll make a CD out of it.. > >Keep prodding me about the carlisle audio.. > >-Steve > ----Lurk mode off---- Hi just to say that I have an original ICU merchandise tape of the gig at Carlisle's Stars and Stripes., and i was one of 50 or so in the audience. Memory rememers it as a very good night. Mark From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 13 06:42:34 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:42:34 GMT Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: <01bd3936$f19da6a0$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:54:37 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Hi >just to say that I have an original ICU merchandise tape of the gig at >Carlisle's Stars and Stripes., and i was one of 50 or so in the audience. >Memory rememers it as a very good night. >Mark The night was great.. the food poisoning the band got from the promotors "spread" wasn`t so hot.. :) -S. From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sat Feb 14 09:38:35 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:38:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Live Songs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01:36 PM 2/13/98 -0800, you wrote: >Has anybody heard BOC perform songs other than 'I'd Like to See You In >Black", "Live For Me", or "Harvest Moon" Buck did Real World at the Ricky Browning benefit. Also, I've heard BOC do Power Underneath Despair, Still Burnin' and The Cold Gray Light of Dawn. Jack From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Feb 14 09:47:53 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:47:53 +0100 Subject: HW Videos In-Reply-To: <34E514E0.1F73A834@blackboard.com> Message-ID: At 22:52 13.02.98 -0500, you wrote: >Walrus wrote: > >> one which has dave, nik, simon king, lemmy would be good mehtinks.. > >hahahahaha! that's like watching "dances with wolves" for the 5th time, still >hoping it ends differently! we'd all like to see that!ya have to settle for >something newer.... >rj > Well, thank God the Top Of The Pops 1972 Silver Machine clip is several hours shorter than Dances With Kevin..... Whatever happened to the early 70s footage with no sound that they were trying to locate for a video release btw??? Maybe they should all just reunite and make a new one :) Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Feb 14 16:25:02 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:25:02 +1100 Subject: HW: DH Lyrics (long) Message-ID: Hi all, I spent this morning decoding the lyrics to Distant Horizons, and I thought I?d post my findings here. Some of the lyrics are quite difficult to discern, and in the ones that I couldn?t work out particular words, I?d just put a word that vaguely sounds like what?s sung. I did this so when you listen to the song, you can say to yourself ?no, that ?s not what Ron said, it sounds more like ?. The main problem song was ?Phetamine Street?. The problem word being the ones that sounds like ?Nephadrean? or something like it. I?d say that Ron made up the word, but it could be a real one that I don?t know about. Other options for that word are:- ?Nephadream?, ?Nephadrine?, etc. Anyway, see what you think about what I?ve got so far - Max Wilcox Distant Horizons (EBS) 1997 1. Distant Horizons (Brock/Chadwick) Instrumental. 2. Phetamine Street (Tree) Phetamine, Nephadrean, Ketamine. Phetamine, Nephadrean, Ketamine, monochrome, future self. Nephadrean, Ketamine, On your own. Nephadrean, Ketamine, monochrome, future self, Ketamine. Nephadrean, Ketamine, monochrome. Nephadrean, monochrome, Phetamine, in your dreams, in your head. Nephadrean, monochrome, on your own. Nephadrean, in your dreams, onyx sea, future scene, future dream. Nephadrean, future dream, onyx sea. Nephadrean. Ketamine, Nephadrean, Phetamine. Nephadrean, Nephadrean, there?s a dream. You better be, gonna see. Monochrome, on your own, future zone. Nephadrean, Phetamine, Ketamine, monochrome. On your own, future zone, now you see. Phetamine, future scene, monochrome. Phetamine, monochrome, Phetamine dream, Future?s been seen, monochrome. Phetamine dream, monochrome. Phetamine dream. When you?re walking down the streets Feel it race, feel it pulse Phetamine dream, Phetamine vision, in your eyes. Phetamine dream, monochrome, on your own. Phetamine dream. Phetamine (repeat) Monochrome, on your own, in your head, in your dreams Onyx Sea. 3. Waimea Canyon Drive (Brock) Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. ? of yourself for what you?re going to do. Life is ? not easy, it is up to you. ? ? On the Waimea Canyon Drive. On the Waimea Canyon Drive. 4. Alchemy (Richards/Chadwick) Instrumental. 5. Clouded Vision (Brock) Although I look with clouded vision, On a stormy atmosphere, Resources of the world are diminishing, Where do we go from here? Terror is not the answer, Though it is a shame to see, Will I ever discover, What lies in store for me? What lies in store for me? What lies in store for me? What lies in store for me? Those promises are major investments, >From companies that have much to gain, Violent demonstrations, It?s all happening again. I know a dozen reasons, But I still cannot seem to find, That elusive question, The answer lies within your mind. The answer lies within your mind. The answer lies within your mind. The answer lies within your mind. 6. Reptoid Vision (Tree) The crown is written, gold into lead, Mercury switch, and the atom is split, Hydrogen wire, and burning your eyes, Wheels a plane through the crack in the sky. Circuit-board skin is whats in my limbs Atom blamed cell in a nuclear mind, Roach car tails sick radio active, Two thousand cockroach on a nuclear subway. Reptiod vision, silicon eyes, Brain switched on, kiss the pilot goodbye, A metallic claw, scratching my brain, My feet are itching on the suicide train. Tony was a loony, and the loony as well, Loony was a waiter in the loony hotel, ? laugh all the colour of red, Ripped silk reptile in my head. Digital crystals, skyscrape the scene, Escalator side-walks, conveyor-belt dreams, Fire-creator, the chemical motion, Tidal wave curb, on the rise of the ocean. Reptoid vision, silicon eyes, Brain switched on, kiss the pilot goodbye, A gravity claw, scratching my brain, My feet are slipping on the suicide train. Revelation! Revelation, I say! You know the devil shall raise from the pit, To be ? you king! A sonic mutation. Of sanctified flesh, animal bear with human. Genetically changed, engineering. I am the Reptoid (repeat) I?ll bite you in your sleep, I?ll bite you in your dreams. I am the Reptoid (repeat) Centipede head, reptilian legs, A diamond chest, and a silicon breast, Back to the queue and a bit of my brain, ? the DNA. Digital crystals, skyscrape the scene, Escalator side-walks, conveyor-belt dreams, Fire-creator, the chemical motion, Tidal wave curb, on the rise of the ocean. Reputed vision, silicon eyes, Brain switched on, press the button and die, I told you before, and I?ll tell you again, My teeth are melting on the suicide brain. 7. Population Overload (Brock/Chadwick) I had barely left home before I noticed the rush, Thousands of people in the crush, Pressing me, Causing me to move with my arms across my chest, A straight-jacket suit, a concrete vest, Bored voices saying ?look straight ahead?, Are we thinking or are we brain-dead? Or are we brain-dead? The world?s gone cock-eyed, Set to explode, Protoplasmic nucleus of a DNA code, Automatic elevating, ? excelarating, Automatic elevating, Escalator roads. 8. Wheels (Richards/Chadwick) Ship of steel, container of oil In this world of the wheel, this world of oil, Our watches declared that we must move on, The black bird was heard, we were deaf to it?s song, Our eyes of the patches, detecting the smoke, In cities, is there no hope? In this world of the wheel, this world of oil? World of the wheel, world of oil? Plastic containers, my sandwiches feel, ? of oil. 9. Kauai (Brock) Instrumental. 10. Taxi for Max (Brock) Instrumental. 11. Love In Space (Brock) Instrumental. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 14 19:46:57 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:46:57 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Tubilah Dog Message-ID: Hi Folks... Not meant to be an advertisement, but I just saw that CDNow is offering (advance order basis) the Tubilah Dog 'In Search of Plaice' CD for a very reasonable (apparently US domestic) price. I'm not sure of the label, but I remember that it was the same that re-issued the Gryphon albums. (Note to Paul (aka Sonic Bilby)...I've ordered myself one, so you don't have to get one for me. Thanks anyway. BTW, the package arrived, & the charge went through. Thanks much! All are cool. Yours will be on it's way Monday (I hope).) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I think I'm getting the joke (well, part of it anyway). You see, the emordnilap of Tubilah is halibuT, and Plaice is also a fish (perhaps a smaller one?). But what does 'Halibut God' supposed to mean??? !wonk ot tnaw sdnim gniriuqnE P.P.S. Anyone here ever been to notloB?? ObUltraCoolTrack - The Real Thing - Kingston Wall From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 14 20:21:57 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:21:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Most Played Titles Message-ID: Hi Folks... Here's something a bit different. I was taking a break from work and was thinking about how tastes change, and how music has changed (or not) over the years. And so I thought about the albums that were (for at least the short-time) very prominent on my turntable/disc player for individual years. So I managed to 'reconstruct' the following time series of albums that I figure were the ones that I played the most on that particular year. I'm sure that it's only partially accurate (in some cases, I'm probably a year off from when I really did play that album all the time), but I'm confident that it's fairly truthful. I've started in 1972, when I was eight, since that was about the time I remember running home from elementary school to spend a half hour in my older brother's room listening to his Steppenwolf albums while he was still up at the high school. I've also listed the length of time between the album's release and the year noted, as I've been wondering how much of a music archeologist (Soren Bengtsson's term) I've become. Surprisingly, not nearly as much as I thought, although there is a lot of German stuff (Neu!, Faust, Agitation Free, Eloy, etc.) that I've only gotten into over the last 5 years or so (like so many others, I think) that doesn't show up here. Strangely, it doesn't tell me too much about how the tides of music have changed, since there are times where I discovered bands (like HW and ADII for instance) at the point of highest obscurity. But then, a touch of 80's metal and late 80's/early 90's alternative show up, so there is a bit of correlation with real trends. So I am a little bit trendy, I guess. :( Luckily, there's nothing here that's *too* embarassing to have to admit to! Beginning from the time I first purchased a CD player, I've listed those albums for which I've replaced with a CD copy. There are only two albums that I really have lost most interest in - Maynard Ferguson, cheezy disco-jazz master, but 'hero' to pre-pubescent trumpet players like myself in the mid-70's, and REO Speedwagon, a decent, midwest, working-class classic rock band that went terribly wrong somewhere around 1978. Despite the awful second half of their career, early REO had some pretty decent tracks...'Golden Country' is nothing to be ashamed of. And one weird thing -- I was listening to Roky Erickson's "The Evil One" the other day, and was eerily struck at how much it sounded like REO in places. If only REO had kept onto Terry Luttrell (who went on to cheezy Yes-clone Starcastle) and not been bogged down with Kevin Cronin's horrible televangelist inflections! Well, here it is FWIW... Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Nektar's JttCotE is an anomaly since I would have bought it about 5 years earlier if it were available anywhere. Thank God the CD *finally* came out - what a great album.....now only if it were remastered like the early HW's!!!!! It needs it more than any other CD I've heard, except maybe Remember the Future!! :) Year of Time Year Artist Album Release Diff. CD?? 1998 Sky Cries Mary A Return to the Inner Experience 1993 5 <---so far... 1997 darXtar Sju 1996 1 1996 Magma Udu Wudu 1978 18 1995 Dead Flowers Altered State Circus 1994 1 1994 Peter Himmelman From Strength to Strength 1991 3 1993 Bob Mould Workbook 1989 4 1992 The Love Cowboys Broth 1992 0 1991 The Buck Pets The Buck Pets 1989 2 1990 Jane's Addiction Nothing's Shocking 1988 2 1989 10,000 Maniacs Secrets of the I Ching 1983 6 1988 Nektar Journey to the Centre of the Eye 1971 17 1987 Marillion Clutching at Straws 1981 6 Y 1986 Moody Blues In Search of the Lost Chord 1968 18 Y 1985 Queensryche The Warning 1984 1 Y 1984 Amon Duul II Made in Germany 1975 9 Y twice 1983 Diamond Head Canterbury 1983 0 Y 1982 Hawkwind Space Ritual 1973 9 Y twice 1981 Hawkwind Levitation 1980 1 Y twice 1980 Ozzy Osbourne Blizzard of Oz 1980 0 Y 1979 REO Speedwagon Live/You Get What You Play For 1977 2 N 1978 Jethro Tull Songs From the Wood 1978 0 Y 1977 Lynyrd Skynyrd One More From the Road 1976 1 N* 1976 Maynard Ferguson Chameleon 1974 2 N 1975 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II** 1969 6 Y 1974 Deep Purple Who Do We Think We Are 1973 1 Y 1973 Uriah Heep Magician's Birthday 1972 1 N* 1972 Steppenwolf Seven 1970 2 Y * some of these tracks appear on CD compilation in my collection ** first album purchased From abrevard at SHL.COM Sat Feb 14 20:27:23 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:27:23 -0600 Subject: LIVE BOC SONGS Message-ID: >Has anybody heard BOC perform songs other than 'I'd Like to See You In >Black", "Live For Me", or "Harvest Moon"? >-Pete (gettin' with the MGMVE) Yep, "X-Ray Eyes", Jaxx, VA/OCT./96. Like your list John, think I'll take a stab at my own. Ghost in the Ruins From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 13 20:27:11 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:27:11 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Tubilah Dog In-Reply-To: <199802150046.TAA13505@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:46:57 -0500, you sent through the ether: >what is 'Halibut God' supposed to mean??? Halibut God surely? S. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sun Feb 15 01:34:29 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 01:34:29 EST Subject: LIVE BOC SONGS Message-ID: AB wrote > Yep, "X-Ray Eyes", Jaxx, VA/OCT./96. How was it? Have yet to hear this. Jack wrote >Also, I've heard BOC do Power Underneath Despair, Still Burnin' and The Cold Gray Light of Dawn. Have heard these (not recently, though)...someone said on the last BOC chat that "Power" was not the SummerDaze version, I hope this is true for a couple of reasons. "CGLoD" sports a really sharp guitar hook, and lots of inviting spaces for BD fills...the times I saw them do this (and on the tapes I have) the soloing was very very good, seems to be a structure that lends itself to interesting BD guitarwork, or at least stuff that appeals to me...for instance I have never heard a solo on "Take Me Away" that really grabbed me. Don't know why (unless it's the spirit of Aldo Nova fucking everything up). This song is a EB vocal, for those who have not heard it...kind of mid-tempo. "Still Burning" (did he drop the G again?) I thought suffered from the repetition in the chorus: "Burning for your love" repeated either 4 or 6(!) times in the chorus, in addition to having it in each of the verses too. Did a quick listen of a tape just now and think I counted 37 uses of the word "burning"...not that long a song either...I cannot conceive that he/they did not receive some negative feedback on this, will be interested to see what's changed in the last couple of years. -Chris Baker From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Feb 15 04:53:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:53:52 -0000 Subject: HW: DH Lyrics (long) Message-ID: On Saturday, February 14, 1998 9:25 PM, Max Wilcox [SMTP:s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU] wrote: > The main problem song was "Phetamine Street". The problem > word being the ones that sounds like "Nephadrean" or something like it. > I'd > say that Ron made up the word, but it could be a real one that I don't > know > about. Other options for that word are:- "Nephadream", "Nephadrine", etc. > Anyway, see what you think about what I've got so far? Not that I'm an expert or anything :), but that's "Methedrine". I did post my version of most of these back in November, I can dig em out and compare them sometime. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Feb 15 07:58:37 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:58:37 +0200 Subject: What I listened to? Message-ID: Hej, Well, this was actually a lot of fun to go back and think about this. Luckily for me I put out a fanzine from 1984-1988 and I has some of the issues handy to check out what I put down as playlists so I could recall what I listened to the most. I seem to have made quite a wild progression into metal... Year of Time Year Artist Album Release Diff. CD?? 1998 Spacious Mind Organic Mind Solution 1993 5 <---so far... 1997 Gov't Mule Live at Roseland 1997 0 1996 Kingston Wall I and II 1992/3 4/3 1995 Dead Flowers Altered State Circus 1994 1 1994 Monster Magnet Dopes to Infinity 1994 0 1993 Ozric Tentacles Erpland 1990 3 1992 Warrior Soul Salutations to the Ghetto Nation 1992 0 1991 Hawkwind Palace Springs 1991 0 1990 Hawkwind Live Chronicles 1987 3 1989 Marillion Clutching at Straws 1987 2 1988 Carnivore Retaliation 1988 0 1987 Griffin Protectors of the Lair 1987 0 1986 Candlemass Epicus Doomicus Metallicus 1986 0 1985 Armored Saint Delerious Nomad 1985 0 1984 Jag Panzer Ample Destruction 1984 0 1983 Metallica Kill 'em All 1983 0 1982 Iron Maiden Number of the Beast 1982 0 1981 Motorhead No sleep til Hammersmith 1981 0 1980 Motorhead Ace of Spades 1980 0 1979 Rainbow On Stage 1978 1 1978 Ted Nugent Double Live Gonzo 1978 0 1977 Ted Nugent Cat Scratch Fever 1976 1 1976 Aerosmith Dream On/Rocks 1974/1976 2/0 1975 CCR Live in Europe 1971 4 1974 CCR Cosmos Factory 1970 4 There are of course a lot of others from each of these years.. I have to mention Frank marino as I was listening to him heavily from 1979-1982... and in 1997, I listened to the Alien Planetscapes CD a lot of times and still do.. I put the Govt Mule in there because I listened to them more than any other group for sure, but mostly live concerts... Well, it was fun.. Scott ObMD- Narnia- Kobenhavn 2-14-98 I will post a review later, a new instrumental band that is sort of like a cross between the Ozrics, Eric Johnson and Djam Karet! R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sun Feb 15 09:12:54 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 06:12:54 -0800 Subject: LIVE BOC SONGS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To be honest, I've never been a big fan of Still Burnin' or PUD. Some songs IMO sound better live, some studio versions are better. In this case I lean very strongly to the studio versions. Jack From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 15 11:22:51 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:22:51 GMT Subject: Xitintoday/Imperial Pompadours In-Reply-To: eldritch's message of Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: eldritch writes: > There were several gigs listed one at Carlisle Stars and Stripes > One at Albert Dock Liverpool, and one at Hull claiming to be over 2 > hours and professionally produced.... > > Has anyone seen any of that footage...I'm particularly interested in the > Carlisle one(because it's where I grew up)... Hey, another Borderer on the list! Campaign for an independent Borders now! > eldritch FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 15 11:26:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:26:12 GMT Subject: HW Videos In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > hahahahaha! that's like watching "dances with wolves" for the 5th time, still > hoping it ends differently! That film was a bit of a shock to me. I'd always thought it was about this guy who went to live with and study wolves. It alll makes sense now. The question is, what's the name of the film I was thinking of? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 15 11:38:38 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:38:38 GMT Subject: HW: DH Lyrics (long) In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:25:02 +1100 Message-ID: > - Max Wilcox > > > 5. Clouded Vision > (Brock) > Although I look with clouded vision, > On a stormy atmosphere, > Resources of the world are diminishing, > Where do we go from here? > > Terror is not the answer, > Though it is a shame to see, > Will I ever discover, > What lies in store for me? > What lies in store for me? > What lies in store for me? > What lies in store for me? > > Those promises are major investments, Though darkness is a major investment ? > >From companies that have much to gain, > Violent demonstrations, Fire and demonstrations? > It?s all happening again. > > I know a dozen reasons, a dozen victims? > But I still cannot seem to find, > That elusive question, > The answer lies within your mind. > The answer lies within your mind. > The answer lies within your mind. > The answer lies within your mind. Once alive within your mind? > > 6. Reptoid Vision > (Tree) > The crown is written, gold into lead, The crown is red? > Mercury switch, and the atom is split, > Hydrogen wire, and burning your eyes, Fire burning your eyes? > Wheels a plane through the crack in the sky. > > Circuit-board skin is whats in my limbs > Atom blamed cell in a nuclear mind, Atomic brain cell in a nuclear mind? > Roach car tails sick radio active, Roach cocktails? > Two thousand cockroach on a nuclear subway. Nuclear shockwave? > Reptiod vision, silicon eyes, > Brain switched on, kiss the pilot goodbye, Kiss the planet goodbye? > A metallic claw, scratching my brain, > My feet are itching on the suicide train. > > Tony was a loony, and the loony as well, > Loony was a waiter in the loony hotel, > ? laugh all the colour of red, > Ripped silk reptile in my head. Rep-sect-intile in my head? > Digital crystals, skyscrape the scene, > Escalator side-walks, conveyor-belt dreams, > Fire-creator, the chemical motion, Fire created? > Tidal wave curb, on the rise of the ocean. Tidal wave curve? > Reptoid vision, silicon eyes, > Brain switched on, kiss the pilot goodbye, planet? > A gravity claw, scratching my brain, > My feet are slipping on the suicide train. > > Revelation! Revelation, I say! > You know the devil shall raise from the pit, > To be ? you king! > A sonic mutation. > Of sanctified flesh, animal bear with human. > Genetically changed, engineering. > > I am the Reptoid (repeat) > I?ll bite you in your sleep, > I?ll bite you in your dreams. > I am the Reptoid (repeat) > > Centipede head, reptilian legs, > A diamond chest, and a silicon breast, > Back to the queue and a bit of my brain, > ? the DNA. > > Digital crystals, skyscrape the scene, > Escalator side-walks, conveyor-belt dreams, > Fire-creator, the chemical motion, > Tidal wave curb, on the rise of the ocean. > > Reputed vision, silicon eyes, Reptoid vision > Brain switched on, press the button and die, > I told you before, and I?ll tell you again, > My teeth are melting on the suicide brain. > 7. Population Overload > (Brock/Chadwick) > I had barely left home before I noticed the rush, > Thousands of people in the crush, > Pressing me, > Causing me to move with my arms across my chest, > A straight-jacket suit, a concrete vest, > Bored voices saying ?look straight ahead?, > Are we thinking or are we brain-dead? > Or are we brain-dead? > > The world?s gone cock-eyed, > Set to explode, > Protoplasmic nucleus of a DNA code, > Automatic elevating, > ? excelarating, > Automatic elevating, > Escalator roads. > > 8. Wheels > (Richards/Chadwick) > Ship of steel, container of oil > In this world of the wheel, this world of oil, > Our watches declared that we must move on, > The black bird was heard, we were deaf to it?s song, > Our eyes of the patches, detecting the smoke, > In cities, is there no hope? > In this world of the wheel, this world of oil? > World of the wheel, world of oil? > Plastic containers, my sandwiches feel, > ? of oil. > > 9. Kauai > (Brock) > Instrumental. > > 10. Taxi for Max > (Brock) > Instrumental. > > 11. Love In Space > (Brock) > Instrumental. > Great effort!!! FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Sun Feb 15 11:46:50 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:46:50 +0200 Subject: HW:griffin Message-ID: Hi! I have one spare copy of Sonic Attack (griffin) cd. I like to trade it. btw. CD is new. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From johnv at NCWEB.COM Sun Feb 15 12:35:56 1998 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:35:56 -0500 Subject: RECORDING EQUIPMENT Message-ID: anyone from this list know of any sites, tips on where i can find decent recording eqipment (recorders,battery packs,cords) for tapeing concerts. if anyone could give me the importart check list. would be much appreciated From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Feb 15 14:24:53 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:24:53 -0000 Subject: OFF: Most Played Titles Message-ID: Fun enough game! A few minutes to kill before going to the J Cope gig, so here's my list to the best of my memory, with gaps... none *too* lacking in credibility I think! :) 1998 so far Dark Carnival The Last Great Ride 1997 The New Christs Lower Yourself 1996 Wayne Kramer Dangerous Madness 1995 Mick Farren's Tijuana Bible Gringo Madness 1994 Brain Surgeons Eponymous 1993 1992 Carcass Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious 1991 Thin White Rope The Ruby Sea 1990 Neil Young & Crazy Horse Ragged Glory 1989 Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique 1988 Blue Oyster Cult Imaginos 1987 The Smithereens Especially for You 1986 Anthrax Among the Living 1985 George Thorogood and the Destroyers Bad to the Bone 1984 Bruce Springsteen Born in the USA 1983 1982 Hawkwind Choose Your Masques 1981 Inner City Unit The Maximum Effect 1980 Roky Erickson and the Aliens 1979 Hawkwind PXRs 1978 Hawklords 25 Years On 1977 Hawkwind Quark Strangeness and Charm -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 15 16:36:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:36:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Most Played Titles Message-ID: This is hard, partly because generally don't play any one thing for too long, and also because I can't remember! But the following is a guess: 1998 Fairport Convention, Cropredy Box (so far ...) 1997 Spiritual Beggars, Spiritual Beggars 1996 Hawkwind, Space Ritual [remaster] 1995 Gov't Mule, Gov't Mule 1994 Black Sabbath, Paranoid 1993 Motorhead, _Bastards_ 1992 Hawkwind, Palace Springs 1991 Phish, Lawn Boy 1990 Jethro Tull, Benefit 1989 Sugarcubes, Life's Too Good 1988 Grateful Dead, Live/Dead 1987 Beatles, Sgt. Peppers' 1986 Monkees, Headquarters I didn't much listen to popular music before this. My youthful faves were classical music (mostly 19th century romantic), Scottish pipe music, American folk music, medieval music, the Star Wars soundtrack, and (whenever it was on TV) the soundtrack to _Yellow Submarine_ :) Actually, I liked quite a lot of film and TV music. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Feb 15 17:46:43 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:46:43 -0700 Subject: RECORDING EQUIPMENT In-Reply-To: <199802151735.MAA18205@ds2.ncweb.com> Message-ID: I've been extremely satisfied with using Mini Disc. I've got a Sony MZ-R2 portable recorder with a Sony ECM-909A stereo microphone. Here's some info: http://www.jaring.my/star/audio/1097/29mini2.html Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of john villani > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 10:36 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: RECORDING EQUIPMENT > > > anyone from this list know of any sites, tips on where i can find decent > recording eqipment (recorders,battery packs,cords) for tapeing concerts. if > anyone could give me the importart check list. would be much appreciated > From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Feb 15 19:04:02 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:04:02 -0500 Subject: OFF:Dances with moose. HW Videos Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > The question is, what's the name of the film I was thinking of? ???? cry of the wild? BTW...whats this top of the pot silver machine thing? rj > > > FoFP From mlooney at IONET.NET Sun Feb 15 20:02:44 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:02:44 -0600 Subject: HW Videos Message-ID: At 04:26 PM 2/15/98 GMT, you wrote: >sprawl writes: > >> hahahahaha! that's like watching "dances with wolves" for the 5th time, still >> hoping it ends differently! > >That film was a bit of a shock to me. I'd always thought it was about >this guy who went to live with and study wolves. It alll makes sense >now. > >The question is, what's the name of the film I was thinking of? > "Never Cry Wolf" Not to be confused with "In the Company of Wolves", an erotic version of the Little Red Riding Hood story. From kg at THING.DE Sun Feb 15 21:05:02 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:05:02 +0100 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: I read those deformed Chrome tour dates postings - and I (finally) decided to throw some words into the discussion on various subjects raised in this thread. the bleeding business trip... there is absolutely NO excuse for putting out an album like The Business Trip - (Live album) -- apart from being just a rotten album musically they are RIPPING OFF a (read: some) former band member(s) - i.e. Mr. Robert Calvert / N. Turner - in an absolutely despicable manner. even if the band itself didn't notice the false / deliberately changed credits in the first place (like changing "Welcome to the Future" into "This Future" etc.) - the LEAST they MUST have done was to forbid the distribution of this record until the credits have been corrected. but...who REALLY believes that these false credits were an accident... there were just too many of them - and too well organized. (be sure that no one of the Calvert family EVER saw a penny of the royalties) apart from that - changing a brilliant song like the original "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" - a true gem of POP music (yes) into such a SHITTY tune like the live version on the Business Trip live album - well, this is just a very sad statement of your musical burn-out. I am not writing this because I am a born again Calvertian - but its just an obvious fact that the band never again had a single innovative moment since Calvert left the band - i.e. after the Hawklords album. They surely were the precursors of punk and new wave - what more to ask of a single band. they got to have there place in musical history for everyone with on open ear. but I guess its about time people realize that its not the achievement of dave brock alone. hawkwind had its great moments ONLY when it was a BAND. either with Calvert or Turner or House or Lemmy etc. - there were more than enough great moments for one band alone. there are not many bands which achieved that. that's a fact. but why on earth do so many people demand that the band is getting back to "their roots" - or however you'd like to call it - sounding like they've sounded some twenty or more years ago. thats the worst you could ask from ANY (true) artist. its an insult. if you think they're not as good as they're ought to be - why bother buying their records - or even talk / write about it? they are musicians and they're ought and MUST develop. so - I don't know which group on earth should have the "right" to call themselves hakwind if not the line-up lead by dave brock- like if or leave it - counting all the years he was the main musical force - in good AND bad terms. so why bother? truly good music has nothing to do with nostalgia. so its time to forget about a shitty re-born space-ritual. it cannot be re-produced. every hawkwind record after '78 is just a musical encore. every encore is a generous present. nothing more. so there. k. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Feb 15 21:29:52 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:29:52 -0500 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: >the bleeding business trip... >there is absolutely NO excuse for putting out an album like The Business >Trip - (Live album) -- >apart from being just a rotten album musically Wow, pretty strong stuff there! I liked "The Business Trip" quite a bit. I think it has a really good production sound (particularly the drums). [my favorite hawkwind drum production sound is either this album or "It is the Business of the Future to Be Dangerous"] And it also is just plain GOOD. >changing a brilliant song like the original "Quark, >Strangeness and Charm" - a true gem of POP music (yes) into such a >SHITTY tune like the live version on the Business Trip live album - >well, this is just a very sad statement of your musical burn-out. I liked that version of Quark. Hey, it's a different arrangement. It's not meant to be a carbon copy of the original. I think it's cool. It's not like the Hawks tried to play it and said "Gee, we keep trying to play this song the right way but it only comes out slow and melodic." Duh! Obviously it was their intention to rearrange it in such a way, and I like it, though I can understand why people wouldn't. >I am not writing this because I am a born again Calvertian - but its >just an obvious fact that the band never again had >a single innovative moment since Calvert left the band - i.e. after the >Hawklords album. Oh I think the Hawks have never been particularly focused on the innovation vs. non-innovation issue. They just make the sounds they like to make, god bless them, whether they are cliched or avant garde or whatever. I think their most remarkable quality is their total lack of musical fashion sense! I wish more bands could be so disregarding of what's "cool" or what's "cutting edge" or whatever--all of that is largely an accidental conspiracy of circumstances anyway. Of course the Hawks had many many bright moments after Calvert's departure. Because new wave/punk rock later become a big mainstream sound, I guess we're supposed to assume that Calvert's Hawkwind was more innovative than the later incarnations of the band? Perhaps your tune will change if in another ten years the sound we hear on "Church of Hawkwind" becomes a model of standard radio fare. Not that this will happen, but you see my point, I think. > >but why on earth do so many people demand that the band is getting back >to "their roots" - or however you'd like to call it - sounding like >they've sounded some twenty or more years ago. thats the worst you could >ask from ANY (true) artist. its an insult. >if you think they're not as good as they're ought to be - why bother >buying their records - or even talk / write about it? they are musicians >and they're ought and MUST develop. Now here's a good point! I DON'T WANT anyone trying to redo space ritual. That was then, this is now. I like Hawkwind the way they are. It's silly to be a stick in the mud and try to always strive backwards, being anti-progressive. I'm amazed at how forward-going Hawkwind has been, all things considered. I do, however, agree that Brock/HW are slowing down and or running out of energy and ideas, as evidenced by the lack of new songs on the new albums. In place of new songs, we often get remakes of old ones, or just some synthesizer noodling as a filler. Distant Horizons was the biggest letdown yet, but I'm not really down on the band. I'm sure they still have some great albums in them. And oh, by the way, "It is the Business of the Future" was one of the good albums! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Sun Feb 15 22:45:12 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:45:12 -0500 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: Reply to message from kg at THING.DE of Sun, 15 Feb Someone give this guy a Valium or something :-) >the bleeding business trip... >there is absolutely NO excuse for putting out an album like The Business >Trip - (Live album) -- >apart from being just a rotten album musically they are RIPPING OFF a >(read: some) former band member(s) - i.e. Mr. Robert Calvert / N. Turner I must interject here, I respect your opinion of this album, but honestly as live material goes, this is one of the better ones. There are many here who like this one, myself included. I agree that Q,S,aC isn't as good as the original, but take it on it's own merit, it is quite enjoyable. If Brock was a musical "burn-out" he would still be doing these songs in the same manner they were written. >a single innovative moment since Calvert left the band - i.e. after the >Hawklords album. They surely were the precursors of punk and new wave - I beg to differ. I feel that Electric Tepee is a bit innovative. Mind you not the entire thing, but quite a bit of it.Space Bandits is too, mind you I personally do not care for most of it, it is different than anything else they were doing. Lost in Space, Duane -- "We think we own the world and own the stars, and yet in fact we barely own our cars." Sparks From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Sun Feb 15 22:49:56 1998 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:49:56 -0500 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: Reply to message from flossbac at WCIC.ORG of Sun, 15 Feb >I wish more bands could be so disregarding of what's "cool" or what's >"cutting edge" or whatever--all of that is largely an accidental conspiracy >of circumstances anyway. Of course the Hawks had many many bright moments Not so much as accidental, what is cool nowadays is what the record companies want the masses to think is cool. Try to get anything new on the radio that doesn't have big money behind it from the record companies, it won't ever happen. Lost in Space, Duane -- "We think we own the world and own the stars, and yet in fact we barely own our cars." Sparks From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Feb 15 23:56:26 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:56:26 -0500 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: whoever wrote: > blah blah blah blah..... > thank you ever so much for setting me straight in my wayward opinions. i am ever so grateful. now i remember why i joined this list... its because i was beginning to feel these funny little twinges of FREE THOUGHT. now i realize i have been using this list poorly all these years. its not for expressing opinions, its obviously for SLAMMING them. now what would really be cool, is if the original posts were actually understood to mean what was intended. but... hey that would require _considering_ what was said, wouldn't it? and that comes dangerously close to application of FREE THOUGHT. well. enuff of MY babbling. i hve to go cull all of the non-calvert material out of my music collection. rj From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Feb 16 00:19:50 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:19:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Most Played Titles Message-ID: OK I'll play along also! Here are my most-played titles, as best as I can remember... 1998: Klaus Schulze: "X" 1997: Robert Pollard: "Not in My Airforce" 1996: Guided By Voices: "Alien Lanes" 1995: Stereolab: "Mars Audiac Quintet" 1994: Hawkwind: "The Business Trip" 1993: Cocteau Twins: "Victorialand" 1992: Pale Saints: "In Ribbons" 1991: Hawkwind: "Palace Springs" 1990: Thin White Rope: "In the Spanish Cave" 1989: Husker Du: "Warehouse Songs and Stories" 1988: Naked Raygun: "All Rise" 1987: Hawkwind: "Out and Intake" 1986: Rush: "Power Windows" 1985: Hawkwind: "Chronicle of the Black Sword" 1984: Tangerine Dream: "Phaedra" 1983: Rush: "Moving Pictures" 1982: Alice Cooper: "Special Forces" 1981: Alice Cooper: "Flush the Fashion" 1980: Pink Floyd: "The Wall" 1979: Rush: "2112" 1978: Alice Cooper: "Billion Dollar Babies" 1977: Kiss: "Kiss Alive" 1976: Kiss: "Dressed to Kill" 1975: Black Sabbath: "Paranoid" things get a little fuzzy in the seventies.... I was born in 1969 after all! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Feb 16 02:18:36 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:18:36 +0200 Subject: RECORDING EQUIPMENT In-Reply-To: <22514543002193@pangeatech.com> Message-ID: >I've been extremely satisfied with using Mini Disc. I've got a Sony MZ-R2 >portable recorder with a Sony ECM-909A stereo microphone. Here's some info: >http://www.jaring.my/star/audio/1097/29mini2.html > >Kevin Sommers I totally agree with Kevin, I have been recording concerts on Minidisc for the last year and it is the best way to go! Much cheaper than DAT and many fewer problems. I would recommend the Sharp units over the SOny MD units as the SONY units you can not adjust the record levels while the recording is happening, you must pause the recording. You can get incredible stealth microphones from Core Sounds as well. The best on the market! SCott ObCs- Atomic Rooster- Atomic Rooster (UK 1970) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Feb 16 03:55:57 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:55:57 -0700 Subject: WAYYYYYY Off: Car CD changers Message-ID: Hi all! I'm looking into a 10-12 CD changer for my cab-any advice? My price range is around $250-$300 max!!! Any help is appreciated!!! Rock on! Pam Ob CD: Ozric-"Curious Corn" Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool J. Michael Looney writes: > >That film was a bit of a shock to me. I'd always thought it was about > >this guy who went to live with and study wolves. It alll makes sense > >now. > > > >The question is, what's the name of the film I was thinking of? > > > > "Never Cry Wolf" > > Not to be confused with "In the Company of Wolves", an erotic version of the > Little Red Riding Hood story. Aha! I think I may have stumbled in on this after the pub one night. The girl climbs to the top of a phallic beanstalk in the woods and comes back with eggs? Truly brilliant for atmosphere. FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 16 08:11:07 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:11:07 GMT Subject: MISC: missing packages Message-ID: If anyone has sent me a parcel or package anytime between Xmas and now that I have not acknowledged or that they have had returned back to them could they let me know (personal email: J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk)? It would appear that either my parcels have captured the interests of the carriers and been diverted to new homes before reaching me or they've been returned to sender by morons too ignorant to be able to read the bit on the card that says "will hold for 2 weeks" before returning. Of course it could be that space aliens from Alpha Centauri are even now expanding their Hawkwind collections at my expense but I suspect a more mundane earthbound condition. sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Feb 16 08:21:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:21:00 +0000 Subject: HW Videos In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Mon, 16 Feb 98 10:53 +0000 Message-ID: On 16 Feb 10:53, M Holmes wrote: > J. Michael Looney writes: > > Not to be confused with "In the Company of Wolves", an erotic version of the > > Little Red Riding Hood story. > > Aha! I think I may have stumbled in on this after the pub one night. The > girl climbs to the top of a phallic beanstalk in the woods and comes > back with eggs? Truly brilliant for atmosphere. That's the one. There are a couple of truly frightening scenes, and the very hunky Micha Bergese (better known as a dancer). It's based on Angela Carter's rewriting of fairly tales, which are well worth reading. Dave. -- - Measurement is engineering. Everything else is bullshit. - Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 16 08:47:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:47:47 -0600 Subject: BOC Songs Message-ID: AB wrote > Yep, "X-Ray Eyes", Jaxx, VA/OCT./96. >How was it? Have yet to hear this. Its a Buck song. A little hazy on all the details becuase this was not a sharp performance by the band. It was the second show after working on the new album for several weeks. Midtempo, nice solo, but nothing really special. Again the sound balance that night was horrible as Buck's guitar dominated everything. Vox were way to low. >Interesting thead. O.K., I'll bite. Here's my "Cult Classic II". I am going to assume that this would be recorded with the current lineup, so a Joe or Albert sung song would be out (like, say, "Hot Rails to Hell" or "Death Valley Nights"). 1. Stairway to the Stars < OK 2. Golden Age of Leather < OK 3. Last Days of May < OK 4. Veteran of the Psychic Wars < OK 5. The Vigil < OK 6. Lips in the Hills Yo' RC!! You didn't say what type of head-end unit that you have in the dashboard (like, does it have the capability to control a CD changer or if it is a stock Ford unit, etc.) so it is tough to answer the question. My advice would be this, go to www.crutchfield.com and check out their site. I have used the fine folks at Crutchfield for 20+ years and they are tops as far as reasonable car stereo is concerned (in other words, if you want tons of amps and a cannon squad of subwoofers, they can sell 'em to ya, but they seem to be more in tune with the folk that want to do it themselves and are not into competition sound installations). They have a function on their page that will match their equipment to your ride, so when you get it, you KNOW it will work. Now, for my humble opinion, if you have a good stock head-end unit (w/o changer controls) but you want to have a CD changer AND more power AND not have to sacrifice an FM channel AND still keep the head-end that you have, look at the combo CD changer / power amp that JVC (and Crutchfield) sells. Either a ten or twelve CD unit with a modest (14Wpc x 4) amp that connects between your current head-end and speakers. Benefits are that the installation is stealthy, the amp adds power for your existing set-up and the CD doesn't have to go through an FM modulator. Price may be at the top-end of your range, but look at what you are getting (the amp). Otherwise, if you have an after-market head-end, get a unit that can be controlled by your head-end (the Crutchfield page can help here). My personal preferences are (in order) Clarion (damn-near bullet-proof and high quality everything!), Kenwood (good stuff), Pioneer (good value), Sony (O.K. but in my experience, quality control has slipped badly in the past few years). I can't comment on Blaupunkt or Alpine, but Alpine seems to be good stuff, but expensive and Blaupunkt seems to be quality gear at reasonable prices, but without all the bells 'n whistles. I would not spend my money on Audiovox, Urban Audio, Pyramid, Craig or any other low-end units (Ships' Rule O' Thumb; If they can't even offer Dolby B on their top-end unit, they ain't worth looking at, 'cuz the company is too cheap to get a Dolby license and the rest of the gear must be cheap!) Hope this helps! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 4:01 AM Subject: WAYYYYYY Off: Car CD changers >Hi all! >I'm looking into a 10-12 CD changer for my cab-any advice? My price >range is around $250-$300 max!!! Any help is appreciated!!! >Rock on! >Pam > >Ob CD: Ozric-"Curious Corn" > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" >E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com >http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 16 11:06:23 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:06:23 -0500 Subject: LIVE BOC SONGS Message-ID: >To be honest, I've never been a big fan of Still Burnin' or PUD Well, I like both of these. Still Burnin' is a bit simple, especially when held up against other Buck songs, but the guitar hook is catchy, and as long as the double-bassdrum part isn't too up front in the mix, it's effective. Power Underneath Despair is cool with it's non-standard time signature, and is probably Eric's finest vocal on the record (at least, from what I know of the songs he sings on the album). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 16 11:18:07 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:18:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Hello from Manuel Message-ID: As some of you many know, Manuel has unsubscribed from BOC-L, and gone off to that "other world" of BOC fandom known as AOL. He wanted me to say hello to all his BOC friends over here for him. If you wish to drop him an e-mail, he's at: MannyABQ at aol.com John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 16 09:11:03 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:11:03 +0000 Subject: HW Videos In-Reply-To: <199802161321.NAA22590@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199802161321.NAA22590 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >That's the one. There are a couple of truly frightening scenes, and >the very hunky Micha Bergese (better known as a dancer). It's based >on Angela Carter's rewriting of fairly tales, which are well worth >reading. > >Dave. I like the bit with Danielle Dax as the wolf-girl coming into town at night. I like Danielle Dax anyway. Even the Lemon Kittens stuff with Shock-Headed Peters. Mind you, I used to listen to a lot of old rubbish in those days. -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 16 14:14:02 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:14:02 GMT Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) In-Reply-To: stalker's message of Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:05:02 +0100 Message-ID: stalker writes: > I am not writing this because I am a born again Calvertian - but its > just an obvious fact that the band never again had > a single innovative moment since Calvert left the band - i.e. after the > Hawklords album. They surely were the precursors of punk and new wave - > what more to ask of a single band. they got to have there place in > musical history for everyone with on open ear. ..... > every hawkwind record after '78 is just a musical encore. > every encore is a generous present. nothing more. > so there. > k. I think you are being a tad harsh. Hawkwind were indeed a unique band during the Bob Calvert era but they were a unique band before the Calvert era and (yes I must admit it) a unique band since the Calvert era. Oh, indeed, not *everything* they have done can possibly be described as musically brilliant - they've certainly had their off periods - particularly, I would say on some of their studio albums and I don't know anything about reworking songs to alter credits so I can't and won't comment on that. But, personally, I worship their first album. It was a revelation of wonder when it appeared - far and away different from anything else I had heard before. But it was no more pre-punk than say Englebert Humperdink. That came much later and so have many subsequent changes. Calvert's departure was a great loss - the band after Calvert was not the band during Calvert - but so what? The Hawkwind I saw in 1989 was terrific - I was stunned. Then they were by their own admission a "trance" band creating (and even anticipating) music of *that* period. I was enormously impressed by their presentation, by the quality of the sound they produced and by their sheer ability to craft the performance and the experience that they did. I know that folk dislike Hawkwind from this period and I don't think the band show up well in their studio recordings but I do feel in terms of the style of music they were producing they were being particularly innovative within an alternative music scene of the rave/ambient/trance/dance. I guess there's a lot of folk wouldn't call that "music" or "style" or anything else - but there's a whole generation of kids for whom it will be a part of their lifestyle memories as *they* grow and change and alter their tastes. For myself the closer they come to long riffs, overlapping layers and sheer depth of sound as each instrument follows the other into a phrase the more I like it but we all have the Hawkwind we want to hear and, yes, I think that is a problem. Have Hawkwind developed over the years - yes, I would say they have. Can or should Hawkwind develop further? Who knows? It's the same question asked of every rock/pop group since vinyl began to be produced. Arguably every band must sooner or later come to an end but I'll be very sorry the day I discover that I shall never again be able to say "I'm going to see Hawkwind live". jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Mon Feb 16 21:41:48 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:41:48 -0500 Subject: HW Videos In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980214154753.0301616c@online.no> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, c mumford wrote: > At 22:52 13.02.98 -0500, you wrote: > >Walrus wrote: > > > >> one which has dave, nik, simon king, lemmy would be good mehtinks.. > > > >hahahahaha! that's like watching "dances with wolves" for the 5th time, still > >hoping it ends differently! we'd all like to see that!ya have to settle for > >something newer.... > >rj > > > > Well, thank God the Top Of The Pops 1972 Silver Machine clip is several > hours shorter than Dances With Kevin..... > and where does get a peek at this clip? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Walrus ___ "So happily did he live, walrus at neuron.net / \ that he forgot to eat _______ | O o | and drink, and for a _______\_ | ^ | thousand years he even /__\O/__/= / | | \ forgot to breathe." _|\ .^. | \_/ -= Close your eyes, relax and float downstream =- From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Mon Feb 16 23:56:38 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:56:38 EST Subject: BOC: Re: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: John Swartz wrote >Actually, the rumor I've heard is that it is something "familiar"... Haven't heard any rumors myself, but I can't see Reaper 98, and there's already one Burnin' song...and given the chance of a movie tie-in (official or otherwise)...Oh no, looks like something re-recorded coming this way... -Chris Baker From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Feb 17 08:58:18 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:58:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: >John Swartz wrote > >>Actually, the rumor I've heard is that it is something "familiar"... > >Haven't heard any rumors myself, but I can't see Reaper 98, and there's >already one Burnin' song...and given the chance of a movie tie-in (official or >otherwise)...Oh no, looks like something re-recorded coming this way... > >-Chris Baker Oh, you mean Gamera ;) BOC must get a rush out of denying SONY royalties by re-recording their classics. Or in the case of Godzilla, re-re-recording. Then again, the new song could always be Wings of Mercury. 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Haven't picked up many of them but I treasure my "Triumph In Concert." If they do half as much justice to BOC this thing is gonna be hot. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 17 10:19:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:19:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Hello from Manuel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > OB BOC Thought of the day - Any word on the King Biscuit Live offering > lately? Haven't picked up many of them but I treasure my "Triumph In > Concert." If they do half as much justice to BOC this thing is gonna be > hot. I believe JS said a while back that the Live one would come out after the studio record... theo From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Tue Feb 17 11:42:31 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:42:31 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: 11th Song New Album In-Reply-To: <463947ba.34e91888@aol.com> Message-ID: Gong!!! Nope, wrong:-) Jack >Haven't heard any rumors myself, but I can't see Reaper 98, and there's >already one Burnin' song...and given the chance of a movie tie-in (official or >otherwise)...Oh no, looks like something re-recorded coming this way... > >-Chris Baker > > From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Feb 17 11:50:32 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:50:32 EST Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: It's not Godzilla and it's not Wings of Mercury. A CMC guy posted on AOL that the first song you hear on the radio will be See You In Black. chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One http://www/.j-and-a.com/rose.htm The Ricky Browning Benefit Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Feb 17 12:15:40 1998 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (c mumford) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:15:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Most Played Titles In-Reply-To: <1752747.3096567373@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ok, carefully and faithfully reconstructed - hard when narrowing down to single selections - >1998 well don't know yet, but now playing Lenny Bruce - The Carnegie Hall Concert >1997 Hawkwind - 1999 Party >1996 Gong - You >1995 Beatles - Revolver >1994 Beck - Mellow Gold >1993 Faith No More - Angel Dust >1992 Monster Magnet - Spine Of God >1991 Mercury Rev - Yerself Is Steam >1990 Doors - LA Woman >1989 Sisters Of Mercy - Floodland >1988 Hawkwind - Chronicle Of The Black Sword >1987 Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon >1986 Jean Michelle Jarre - Rendez Vouz >1985 Queen - The Works >1984 Duran Duran - Arena (the Mozart/3 Little pigs cassette is cannibalized for video games. Dawn of computer era - attention span permanently disabled.) >1983 dawn of music video-era... attention span temporarily disabled. >1982 cheezy tape of various sci-fi themes... (ET, Star Wars, 2001..) >1976-1981 (my dark (punk) years, little is known other than a 3 Little Pigs tape/book set with music from the Magic Flute and a Klabb & Babb LP (Norwegian clowns) and generally being exposed to classical music through family) >1975 "It's A Small World" 7" purchased at Disneyworld Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 17 12:18:04 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:18:04 EDT Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album In-Reply-To: <166712a6.34e9bfda@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: "" > > A CMC guy posted on AOL that the first song you hear on the radio will be > > See You In Black. > Not a bad choice, either. Chuck, did the CMC dude have any idea when it'll be released? Is there anything on the CMC web site about it yet? theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 17 13:36:10 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:36:10 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind Feedback Message-ID: Brian Tawn's latest Hawkwind Feedback has been issued - this is an interim newsletter that comes out free between Hawkfan editions. Send him an sae and you too can own one! Brian Tawn, 27 Burdett Road, Wisbech, Cambs PE13 2PR. He talks a bit about the tour and the Promotor problem. Apparently the show was recorded so there is a potential live album here. He also says that quite a few folk have been in touch after seeing Hawkwind for the first time on the recent tour expressing interest in the band! Adrian Parr is working on his Hawkwind Chronicles book and is making good progress. Also there is the possibility of a compilation cd from Dave Brock of the bands that played at the US Summer Daze Festival. Alan Davey hopes to do some UK tours. Nik Turner is planning something. Trev Thoms of ICU is going to do an acoustic album and Black Widow Records are going to re-issue Hawkfan 12 with some extra tracks. This is a brief sample only in case it's of interest to anyone. Someone should buy Brian Tawn a computer tho - he's still using stencils by the look of it! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Feb 17 14:10:47 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:10:47 EST Subject: BOC: 11th Song New Album Message-ID: Theo, The date of release is definitely March 24. The usual things that hold releases do not exist on this. Also, Buck posted on AOL referring to the new record as "Heaven Forbid". That is definitely the title. The big question will be when they start playing See You In Black on the radio. chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Tue Feb 17 17:41:36 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:41:36 -0800 Subject: BOC:tour dates anyone??? Message-ID: I have been looking for more tour dates all over but haven't been able to find any. Does anyone know of any upcoming tour dates? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 18 06:48:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:48:57 EDT Subject: BOC:tour dates anyone??? In-Reply-To: <013701bd3bf5$34065b20$7b01010a@aaronpc.cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: >> From: Aaron Crandall > I have been looking for more tour dates all over but haven't been able to find any. Does anyone know of any upcoming tour dates? > I was on the Las Vegas site yesterday and there were a few dates, including one in Niagara Falls that I'll have to miss. This sucks 'cause it's in March, just before the album release! Haven't seen them since last summer. Starting to get an attitude! Are they playing more than one or two songs from the new record in their live shows nowadays? theo From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Wed Feb 18 09:03:07 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:03:07 -0600 Subject: testing, testing Message-ID: Hey, is the list down? I've not gotten any mail for the last two days... Allan. ObCD: Fish, Sunsets on Empire - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com Event Manager, ITS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 18 04:33:41 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:33:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Feedback In-Reply-To: <199802171836.SAA27811@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199802171836.SAA27811 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >This is a brief sample only in case it's of interest to anyone. Someone >should buy Brian Tawn a computer tho - he's still using stencils by the >look of it! > >jill Well, I recently gave Adrian Parr my old 486 (in bits - quick learning curve for the bloke) so with a bit of luck he might be joining us here before too long. From what I gather he got some work done on the Chronicles, before becoming familiar enough with the machine to realise he needs a new one. (!) -- Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Feb 18 10:30:19 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:30:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Feedback In-Reply-To: <199802171836.SAA27811@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jill writes, > good progress. Also there is the possibility of a compilation cd from > Dave Brock of the bands that played at the US Summer Daze Festival. You're suffering from BOC-L crossover, Jill. It's Strange Daze you're thinking of; BOC was on the Summer Daze circuit. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Tales from the Atomhenge_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET Wed Feb 18 10:48:13 1998 From: dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET (Dennis Landstedt) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:48:13 -0500 Subject: testing, testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: got it, got it, got it On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > Hey, is the list down? I've not gotten any mail for the last two > days... > > Allan. > > ObCD: Fish, Sunsets on Empire > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com > Event Manager, ITS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 > From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Feb 18 11:37:14 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:37:14 -0500 Subject: Come to the Sabbat In-Reply-To: <34cc8fe2.4295302@pop.vnet.net> from "Jean Lansford" at Jan 26, 98 01:32:37 pm Message-ID: Jean Lansford writes: > > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, herbert rosenberg wrote: > > >Which reminds me of a band called BLACK Widow, who I think recorded > >in the '70s--they had this tune called "Come to the Sabbat"...and it > >was...strange, cool, cheesy, folky. The chorus went "Come, come, > >come to the Sabbat, come to the Sabbat, Satan's there..." Anyone else > >ever hear that? Might be funny for the Surgeons to do, just as a joke... > >Hell, I know I'd do that tune if I had a band... > > Steve Swann has a tape of "music videos" containing that song (along > with some very interesting others). Had to be one of the more > memorable pieces on the tape. I ran into the video dealer who constructed that compilation at Dragon Con this past summer, and he couldn't even remember the name of the band. A little too much LSD back in the 70's, I suspect. ;-) It's a pretty cool compilation; it has home-made videos of "Spirit of the Age" (using footage from Metropolis), "Steppenwolf" (using various werewolf films, from Lon Chaney to The Howling), "Godzilla" (using guess what), as well as a bunch of much cheesier or more whacked-out garage punk and 70's synth-pop bands. The footage is all from classic (or forgotten) sci-fi, cult and monster movies, mixed with some cheap-ass chroma key effects. Yes, everything in it is totally pirated, but don't get all worked up about it - it clearly took dozens of hours of careful hand-editing, and the guy has probably sold all of three copies of it - it was obviously a labor of love for him, not a money-making bonanza. Steve From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Feb 18 11:57:15 1998 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:57:15 -0500 Subject: BOC:tour dates anyone??? Message-ID: Theo, Where is this site and/or what was the date for the Niagara Falls show? Joe Lofft -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 7:45 AM Subject: Re: BOC:tour dates anyone??? >> From: Aaron Crandall > I have been looking for more tour dates all over but haven't been able to find any. Does anyone know of any upcoming tour dates? > I was on the Las Vegas site yesterday and there were a few dates, including one in Niagara Falls that I'll have to miss. This sucks 'cause it's in March, just before the album release! Haven't seen them since last summer. Starting to get an attitude! Are they playing more than one or two songs from the new record in their live shows nowadays? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 18 12:18:16 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:18:16 EDT Subject: BOC:tour dates anyone??? In-Reply-To: <01bd3c8e$43a9dc70$2f39a8cc@joela.itec.suny.edu> Message-ID: > From: "Joseph M. Lofft" > Theo, > > Where is this site and/or what was the date for the Niagara Falls show? > > Joe Lofft Joe, Try this: http://members.aol.com/vegas4boc/index.htm The Nia. Falls gig is: 13/03/98--Evening Star Lounge There are a bunch of mid-west gigs later in Feb... theo From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Feb 18 13:35:31 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:35:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 2000 Message-ID: So I ordered Party 1999 (not cheaply I might add!) and Past or Future. I have seen the Warrior on the Edge box set - what is this? I assume it has WotEoT, anything else or just like a LE or something ? Wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Feb 18 14:14:34 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:14:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Gold Agents In-Reply-To: <01BD2D64.F7941AE0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Jan 30, 98 09:50:59 am Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Thanks, John, Craig! I was a bit suspicious, but now I think I'd quite > like one of these. I just have to decide how much! :) > If I'm not mistaken, the new Agents gold release is by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs. They're known for their excellence in re-mastering albums from the original sources. Although frankly, I'd rather the folks who did the Hawkwind remasters had a crack at the old BOC catalog, since I think they did a *better* job than Mobile Fidelity typically does. But having said that, anything released by Mobile Fidelity is way, way beyond your typical off-the-shelf CD release. They put the time and effort in, and you can really hear the results. It's about time that one of the classic BOC records got this treatment, and I guess Agents was the obvious (from a commercial standpoint) choice. Steve From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 18 17:49:01 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:49:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 2000 Message-ID: Wal... >I have seen the Warrior on the Edge box set - what is this? I assume it >has WotEoT, anything else or just like a LE or something ? AFAIK, the disc itself is exactly the same as if it were sold 'alone', as opposed to part of this so-called box set.....which simply includes the Warrior CD, and Rob Godwin's Collector's Guide. Not a bad item, but not really worth the high prices I've seen for this 'box'. I got mine for quite a bit less than the thirty-some $ I've seen it listed for. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Anybody here seen (or will be seeing) Saxon live (in '98)?? It looks like they'll be coming through Columbus, OH in early April. Thought I'd check them out, since I haven't caught them before. And if so, will they play 'Princess of the Night' by any chance? From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Feb 18 18:08:38 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:08:38 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze Video? Message-ID: Attention technicians of spaceship hawkwind: I couldn't make it to strange daze last august (my college semester had already started and I couldn't take the time off to make the voyage), but I have some nice audio tapes of the event. What I'm now wondering is whether someone can provide me video tapes of the Hawkwind and Nik Turner performances, as well as just miscellaneous footage, wandering around the place etc. to capture the local flavor of the festival. I know a lot of people taped it, so I'm basically looking for a 1st generation copy--I don't want to bother with anything further removed from the master. Can anyone set me up? I don't have the capacity to dub video, but I have a collection of around 300 or 350 audio bootlegs, including probably at least 100 Hawkwind, if you want to trade audio for video. What do you think? Email me privately if you can help. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Feb 18 18:41:09 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:41:09 EST Subject: Chrome & Bevis Frond Tour Dates.... Message-ID: hello: Chrome tour dates so far....i should have the rest today/tomorrow: Baltimore, Md Otto Bar 4/1 Phila, Pa Nicks 4/2 NY Coney Island High (w/silver apples) 4/3 also i hear that the Bevis Frond dates are around the same time? anyone have info on this? visit my homepage for updates etc: Link: Hawkwinder's Home Page URL:http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html space is deep bl From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Feb 19 03:48:15 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:48:15 +0100 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) Message-ID: Hi Knut, Oh dear, You're at it again... but You're absoloutely right concerning the rip-off and as far as I know EBS is a company owned by the Hawks themselves so they should have *some* control over the credits, it is, of course, ridiculous to claim it was an accident, the small name changes of the songs and all, if it indeedwas a mistake they should immediatly fold their company because they are not fit to have one. Quark, Strangeness and Charm isn't that good but they're doing Golden Void and Green Finned Demon very good and I think most of the album is great, but it doesn't have that magic touch, calling it a musical burn-out is a bit over the top in my opinion, they've done albums which are unbelievable bad but this isn't one of them. One thing that is annoying me is this constant whining 'bout being innovative, it popped up during the Rush debate too, it isn't really important, the important thing is to do good songs and creating a certain atmosphere, being innovative is just the icing on the cake. Stating that every record after '78 just are musical encores only shows your ignorance, records like Levitation (progressive), Church Of Hawkwind (psuedo-electronic) or Black Sword albums (Heavy Metal) has very little to do with what Hawkwind did up to '78. They lost it when Harvey left the band, they just become Dave and fans and when it comes to the right to the name, my vote is on Nik since Hawkwind is his nickname, but I agree, it's not really anything to bother about. Getting back to the roots doesn't have too mean that they should sound the same as they did 20 ago, maybe people just want them to get rid of the sequensers and jam more instead and that's no insult. Kenneth -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 19 04:45:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:45:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Party 2000 Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 18, 1998 10:49 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > P.S. Anybody here seen (or will be seeing) Saxon live (in '98)?? It > looks > like they'll be coming through Columbus, OH in early April. Thought I'd > check them out, since I haven't caught them before. And if so, will they > play 'Princess of the Night' by any chance? Good lord - I saw them in *1980*... (support on the Bomber tour) Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Feb 19 04:59:41 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:59:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 2000 In-Reply-To: <01BD3D1B.20DE68E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: >> P.S. Anybody here seen (or will be seeing) Saxon live (in '98)?? It >> looks >> like they'll be coming through Columbus, OH in early April. Thought I'd >> check them out, since I haven't caught them before. And if so, will they >> play 'Princess of the Night' by any chance? > >Good lord - I saw them in *1980*... (support on the Bomber tour) > >Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? Not "Wheels of Steel"? ( " ... talkin' 'bout my wheels of steel ... " ) Alun > >-Andy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 19 05:25:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:25:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: Saxon ( was RE: HW: Party 2000) Message-ID: On Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:00 AM, Alun Hughes [SMTP:a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK] wrote: > >Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? > > Not "Wheels of Steel"? ( " ... talkin' 'bout my wheels of steel ... " ) A fine decision, I grant you! But definitely not "Motorcycle Man"! They were pretty funny on the Bomber tour - trying to be louder then Motorhead! As if! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 19 05:55:38 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:55:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: New tour dates Message-ID: someone was asking about these... here's what Eric posted March 12 Roseville, Michigan (near detroit) 13 Niagara Falls, NY 14 Baltic, CT 20 Akron, OH 21 Columbus, OH 24 Baton Rouge, LA 25 tba 26 Gulfport, Miss 27 Jackson, Miss 28 Mandeville, LA (near new orleans) these are tentative---> Apr 1 Little Rock, Ark 2 Houston, TX 11 Evansville, IN From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 19 06:03:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:03:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Saxon ( was RE: HW: Party 2000) In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's mail of Thu, 19 Feb 98 10:25 +0000 Message-ID: On 19 Feb 10:25, Andy Gilham wrote: > On Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:00 AM, Alun Hughes > [SMTP:a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK] wrote: > > > >Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? > > > > Not "Wheels of Steel"? ( " ... talkin' 'bout my wheels of steel ... " ) > > A fine decision, I grant you! But definitely not "Motorcycle Man"! Well, that brings back memories of my youth underneath the plastic palm trees! The DJ at the local HM club (Tiffany's in Bristol), used to play "Overkill", followed by "Motorcycle Man", followed by some other stupidly fast HM track which escapes my memory, and we would try and headbang through the whole lot. And I used to wake up with insane headaches... > They were pretty funny on the Bomber tour - trying to be louder then > Motorhead! As if! "Then it was as loud as a tube train running through your inner ear, or as loud as if they restaged the whole of World War I crammed into a single phone box" -- Sounds. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Feb 19 06:27:54 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:27:54 +1100 Subject: HW: Party 2000 Message-ID: Go and see Saxon! I have some live vids and they are the great to watch. Good, old fashioned, hardy heavy metal for guys my age. Troy At 09:45 19/02/98 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >On Wednesday, February 18, 1998 10:49 PM, Keith Henderson >[SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > >> P.S. Anybody here seen (or will be seeing) Saxon live (in '98)?? It >> looks >> like they'll be coming through Columbus, OH in early April. Thought I'd >> check them out, since I haven't caught them before. And if so, will they >> play 'Princess of the Night' by any chance? > >Good lord - I saw them in *1980*... (support on the Bomber tour) > >Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 19 07:04:47 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:04:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: Saxon ( was RE: HW: Party 2000) Message-ID: On Thursday, February 19, 1998 11:03 AM, Dave Berry [SMTP:daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK] wrote: > Well, that brings back memories of my youth underneath the plastic > palm trees! The DJ at the local HM club (Tiffany's in Bristol), > used to play "Overkill", followed by "Motorcycle Man", followed by > some other stupidly fast HM track which escapes my memory, and we > would try and headbang through the whole lot. And I used to wake > up with insane headaches... > That I can just picture! I just looked up Saxon's entry in the indispensible Kerrang! Direktory of Heavy Metal, and it's well worth quoting in full (well it's either type this in or do some programming in Access 95 - the things I'll do for the money, eh...): ---- Saxon UK, five-piece (1979-present) Despite starting life not only in Barnsley but also as Son of a Bitch, Saxon soon came to embody all the strengths of the NWOBHM. They were late for the party, but they soon scorched into the charts with "Wheels of Steel" ('80). Saxon's major weapons were a truckload of simple, highly melodic Metal anthems and a Boy's Own approach to Heavy Metal. Motorhead had a bomber. Maiden had Eddie. Saxon, typically, had a fucking great eagle as a lighting gantry, known to the roadcrew as "Biff's Budgie". Saxon were a credible ticket draw on the Odeon circuit and an entertaining night out. Envious of Iron Maiden's growing status in America, however, Saxon's attempts to cross the pond with Crusader ('84) saw them struggle. Thrash metal was looming on the horizon and Saxon were seen as a clich?. Instead the band concentrated on the lucrative European market (particularly Germany) where antics such as spinning guitars and songs about Real Men will always be remarkably popular. A back-to-basics UK club tour in 1990 proved an unexpected success. Buried alive by the press and the radio, Saxon have nonetheless continued to fight for their right to party long after many expected them to give up. The records have become steadily weedier, but the live show can still boast a clutch of memorable hit singles and epic set pieces. Listen out, too, for Biff singing: "Another town, another place/Another woman to sit on my face" during "Rock'n'Roll Gypsies"... ---- -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Feb 19 07:54:56 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:54:56 EST Subject: BOC: New tour dates Message-ID: Also, Ray Koobs posted on AOL late last night that the record was beinf shipped to the record companies this week and See You In Black will start appearing on the radio next week! Let's call them stations! chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 19 07:54:50 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:54:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Saxon ( was RE: HW: Party 2000) In-Reply-To: <199802191103.LAA12014@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199802191103.LAA12014 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >Well, that brings back memories of my youth underneath the plastic >palm trees! Heh, 19 and Mad. or even... No dry ice or flying pigs at the Lieghton Buzzards gigs -- Jon From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Feb 19 10:26:55 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:26:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Timothy Langner Message-ID: I am looking for TIMOTHY LANGNER He does not answer his e-mails Does somebody know where he is? Bernhard From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Feb 19 14:46:40 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:46:40 -0500 Subject: tBS: Brownies In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 8, 98 10:58:08 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > We had a super night of rock and roll at Brownies last night. The music was > great. The audience was great. And the vibe was great. Musical highlights > of the night for me were: Jack Rigg's vocals on "Midnight Nick," David > Roter bizarre rendition of JCHRFtG, hearing Helen Wheels sing "Break the > Chains" again after all these years, the X Brothers rocking version of > HRtH, the very funny moments in my drum solo in IPTD and all the monster > jam songs at the end; CoFwRaR, Astronomy, TV and BtBW. It was also great to > see many old friends and supporters, Steve Swann, Richie Stotts, Andy > Schernoff, Michael Alago, Ed, Tim, Mark and Mark, Mike, Gary, a whole bunch > of Hilfigers I hadn't met before... and, well, actually too many people to > mention. I've probably went on too much already. Suffice to say I had a > terrific time and I'm pretty sure a whole bunch of others did too. So, maybe I was just born luckier than most. I actually got to catch a lot of the Cellsum Records extravaganza. Got to talk to Al and Deb briefly before the show, and picked up some CDs (which I mostly haven't had a chance to listen to - reviews will follow, as time allows). Anyway, this *was* a great night of rock-n-roll. Sadly for me, the friend that I took to the concert has weak lungs, and she got very ill from the tobacco (and other) smoke that filled the room by midnight. Thusly, I got to miss what I'm sure was the high point of the evening, namely the second half of the X-Brothers set, and all of tBS. I was disappointed, but the bands that I did get to see were great, so the evening wasn't a total loss. First up was Jack Rigg, who played a strangely subdued, almost folky set. Just him and a quietly amped guitar, singing jangly tunes about life in the city. I was suprised, since I kind of expected Jack Rigg to really cut loose with the guitar. It was decent stuff, not really my cup o' tea, but a nice, mellow, almost hypnotic start to the evening. The David Roter Method (which, whatever it is, I suspect involves lots of lubrication) was up next. David Roter is an absurdly tasteless individual: he's almost hysterically funny (with a seemingly endless parade of off-color stories and self-deprecating jokes) and his music is a bizarre and eclectic mishmash of styles and attitudes. I believe that his "band" was actually an ad hoc group, put together for the show. They were a little loose on the delivery, and it seemed like the first time they'd performed a lot of this material together. It didn't matter - the man himself was enough entertainment for 6 shows, and the performance had such a humorous flair to it that nobody minded the technical deficiencies. He opened with an outrageously funny rock/funk song called "Run, Motherfucker, Run", that almost had me falling off my barstool. He followed it up with his own (deeply twisted) rendition of "Unknown Tongue" and "Joan Crawford". I think he played one or two other songs as well, but I didn't take notes. It was a great performance for sheer entertainment value. I would recommend seeing this man any chance you get. Helen Wheels was up next. Her band is your basic rock-n-roll setup: bass, drums and guitar, with Helen on vocals. What sets Helen's band apart from the average rock band is the songwriting - she writes the most absolutely bitchin' heavy, propulsively rythmic rock tunes (rather like a certain subset of Al's songwriting - think "Name Your Monster" or "St. Vitus Dance"). I wasn't as keen on her rather cliched lyrics, or her somewhat disinterested delivery (she seems to have a bit more of the "rock star" attitude then I normally associate with Cellsum's band roster) but the band was tight and well-rehearsed, and the music really grabbed me by the throat. I would highly recommend checking out her CD (I definitely plan to - in fact I *would* have picked it up, if I'd bought my CDs from Deb after the show instead of beforehand). The last band that I got to see, and the one that I was most anticipating (sorry tBS, but I've seen you perform live before) ;-) was Joe Bouchard's X-Brothers. The band lineup was Joe on guitar, Billy Hilfiger on guitar, another (younger) Hilfiger scion on bass, and a drummer that I couldn't immediately identify, although given that every 3rd person in the room appeared to be a Hilfiger, I almost started to suspect him of being one, too. ;-) Since I know you're all wondering, yes, the X-Brothers do indeed kick some serious ass. You all know the kind of songs Joe Bouchard wrote for BOC, and that's what he's delivered with the X-Brothers. Strong, clear melodies, hard driving rythms, and heavy all over. Maybe it's not fair to draw comparisons, but the X-Brothers are less eclectic and more straightforward in their presentation than the Brain Surgeons. You probably won't (although I admit that I haven't yet given their CD the close listen that it deserves) find the sort of inspired quirkiness or dark, dense material that you're used to hearing from the Surgeons, but you will find hard-edged, unadulterated rock-n-roll that'll knock your socks off. I recommend checking out their CD, and I definitely recommend catching them live if you get the chance. Any questions? ;-) Steve From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 19 14:15:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:15:42 EDT Subject: tBS: Brownies In-Reply-To: <199802191946.OAA28078@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: >> From: Stephen Swann >> Since I know you're all wondering, yes, the X-Brothers do indeed kick > some serious ass. You all know the kind of songs Joe Bouchard wrote > for BOC, and that's what he's delivered with the X-Brothers. Strong, > clear melodies, hard driving rythms, and heavy all over. Maybe it's > not fair to draw comparisons, but the X-Brothers are less eclectic and > more straightforward in their presentation than the Brain Surgeons. > You probably won't (although I admit that I haven't yet given their CD > the close listen that it deserves) find the sort of inspired > quirkiness or dark, dense material that you're used to hearing from > the Surgeons, but you will find hard-edged, unadulterated rock-n-roll > that'll knock your socks off. I recommend checking out their CD, > and I definitely recommend catching them live if you get the chance. > > Any questions? ;-) > Yeah! How's Joe on guitar? Is he a serious lead player or did Billy handle all the lead work? theo From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Feb 19 16:13:28 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:13:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: I bought all the Tangerine Dream CDs when they first came out, and I've noticed that SOME have been reissued in the past few years with super-bit-mapped mastering. Does anyone have these and can you tell me, do they in fact sound noticeably better? The only ones I've seen are basically the 80's Virgin albums. What about all the 70's Virgin stuff--are there remasters available or what? I know these albums would sound great if remastered correctly (as evidenced by some of the remastered stuff in the Tangents box set), but I don't know if they have been or not. And then there are the albums remastered by Castle...how do these sound, compared to previous issues? Any improvement? I know that remastering can work wonders. The Hawkwind remasters are incredible (particularly Hall of the Mountain Grill, which sounds like fifty pounds of mud and filth was cleaned from the master tape!). The Rush remasters too are a joy to hear (especially A Farewell to Kings). I have some of the original CD issues of the Led Zeppelin albums and they are dreadful compared to the reissues. Can anyone give me a comparative opinion on these TD discs and their availability? Thanks! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Feb 19 17:29:54 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:29:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: John, The TD remasters, all of them, are a joy to listen to. Everything from ELECTRONIC MEDITATION to TYGER / LIVE MILES has been redone (except for SORCERER, which is on MCA and EXIT, on Elektra) and all of the ones that I have heard have been improved, some dramatically, some not-so dramatic. Some of the re-releases are easy to find in the US, but the re-masters of the group consisting of PHAEDRA / RUBYCON / RICOCHET / STRATOSFEAR are only available as imports to the US (be aware, the Griffin releases of FORCE MAJEURE and CYCLONE are NOT remastered; rare, perhaps, improved, no.) If you have the 2CD issue of POLAND, don't rush out to replace it with the single CD version, as there is a complete track missing and a significant editing job done elsewhere on another. Boycott this one, I did... BTW, if you are not aware of it, there is a 4-CD , uhhh, "rare track collection" called ELECTRONIC ORGY, which you should make Priority ONE in obtaining. I have this boo, uhh, rare collection and it has just about every rare recording since 1972. Wanna hear "Ultima Thule Pt. 1 & 2"? it is here. How about the tracks from the "70-80" box set, yup, they are here too! Tracks from the KLEM cassettes and CD? Got 'em!! About the only thing that is missing is the half-hour "Quinoa" track (but you can find that on the MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 1 CD). Cost is around US$70 +/- $10. The CD's are 70+ minutes each, so you are going to get your money's worth!! Limited to about 500 copies, so ACT NOW!! More info if you want it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: John Majka To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 4:31 PM Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream >I bought all the Tangerine Dream CDs when they first came out, and I've >noticed that SOME have been reissued in the past few years with >super-bit-mapped mastering. Does anyone have these and can you tell me, do >they in fact sound noticeably better? The only ones I've seen are basically >the 80's Virgin albums. What about all the 70's Virgin stuff--are there >remasters available or what? I know these albums would sound great if >remastered correctly (as evidenced by some of the remastered stuff in the >Tangents box set), but I don't know if they have been or not. And then >there are the albums remastered by Castle...how do these sound, compared to >previous issues? Any improvement? I know that remastering can work >wonders. The Hawkwind remasters are incredible (particularly Hall of the >Mountain Grill, which sounds like fifty pounds of mud and filth was cleaned >from the master tape!). The Rush remasters too are a joy to hear >(especially A Farewell to Kings). I have some of the original CD issues of >the Led Zeppelin albums and they are dreadful compared to the reissues. Can >anyone give me a comparative opinion on these TD discs and their availability? >Thanks! >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org > From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 20 10:16:10 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:16:10 EST Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <199802192113.QAA05564@wcic.org>; from "John Majka" at Feb 19, 98 04:13:28 pm Message-ID: > > I bought all the Tangerine Dream CDs when they first came out, and I've > noticed that SOME have been reissued in the past few years with > super-bit-mapped mastering. Does anyone have these and can you tell me, do > they in fact sound noticeably better? The only ones I've seen are basically > the 80's Virgin albums. What about all the 70's Virgin stuff--are there > remasters available or what? I know these albums would sound great if > remastered correctly (as evidenced by some of the remastered stuff in the > Tangents box set), but I don't know if they have been or not. And then > there are the albums remastered by Castle...how do these sound, compared to I looked at their web page the other day and noticed that the "infamous" The KEEP soundtrack is being released this year.Apparantly it was sold on their european tour last year to test the waters? I haven't bought any of their stuff since Franke left,they seemed to go all newage mush,no more long sequencer sequences .I dont think Edgar is very friendly with Chris Franke anymore , so a reunion of the old material doesn't look on the cards. I haven't got any of the remastered stuff ,but Mr Shipley might be able to help. regards Marty From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Feb 19 18:56:12 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:56:12 EST Subject: Chrome Tour Dates Update Message-ID: DAMN!!!!!! Bevis Frond and Chrome at the same time!!!!! anyways...here's the latest CHROME ITINERARY SAT. 3-21 COSTA MESA CLUB MESA SUN. 3-22 HOLLYWOOD TROUBADOR or MOGULS MON. 3-23 OFF TUE. 3-24 ALBUQUERQUE LAUNCH PAD WED. 3-25 OFF THU. 3-26 AUSTIN EMOS FRI. 3-27 DALLAS ORBIT ROOM SAT. 3-28 MEMPHIS YOUNG AVENUE DELI SUN. 3-29 ATLANTA ???? MON. 3-30 CARBORRO, NC CATS CRADLE TUE. 3-31 BALTIMORE FLETCHERS? (i think its now 4/1 otto bar) WED. 4-1 OFF THU. 4-2 PHILADELPHIA NICKS FRI. 4-3 NEW YORK CONEY ISLAND HIGH SAT.4-4 CLEVELAND EUCLID TAVERN SUN. 4-5OFF MON. 4-6 OFF TUE. 4-7 CINCINNATI SUDSEY MALONES WED. 4-8 DETROIT MAGIC STICK THU. 4-9 CHICAGO EMPTY BOTTLE FRI. 4-10 MADISON OCAYZ CORRAL SAT.4-11 MINNEAPOLIS SUN. 4-12 IOWA CITY MON. 4-13 KANSAS CITY TUE. 4-14 LINCOLN KNICKERBOCKERS WED. 4-15 DENVER BLUEBIRD THEATER THU. 4-16 OFF FRI. 4-17 SEATTLE CROCADILE CAF? or SHOWBOX SAT. 4-18 PORTLAND LA LUNA FRI. 4-24 SAN FRANCISCO GREAT AMERICAN MUSIC HALL as always ;;;;; please check to see if the listing for your area is accurate please visit me for updates at my homepage: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html Space is truly deep bl From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Feb 19 19:13:39 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:13:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Saxon ( was RE: HW: Party 2000) Message-ID: On Thursday, February 19, 1998 10:00 AM, Alun Hughes [SMTP:a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK] wrote: > >Surely their best song was "747 (Strangers in the Night)"? > > Not "Wheels of Steel"? ( " ... talkin' 'bout my wheels of steel ... " ) Ha...funny you mentioned that one. It's strange - I was microwaving my lunch the other day...it was macaroni & cheese (I'm cheap), but the pasta was made in the shape of a wheel. So it was actually called 'Wheels and Cheese'. And throughout the rest of the day, all I had on my brain was..... 'WHEEEEEEE-eels.....Wheels and Che-EESE....talkin' 'bout my 'Wheels and Cheese.' alternated with.... 'WHEELS and CHEESE! WHEELS and CHEESE! I'm gonna have some Wheels and Cheese!' to the tune of 'Kings of Speed' of course. :) And now it's starting again!! Aggh!! The insanity of it all. Keith H. (FAA) From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Feb 19 19:36:24 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:36:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream/Craig! Message-ID: >The TD remasters, all of them, are a joy to listen to. Everything from >ELECTRONIC MEDITATION to TYGER / LIVE MILES has been redone (except for >SORCERER, which is on MCA and EXIT, on Elektra) and all of the ones that I >have heard have been improved, some dramatically, some not-so dramatic. Some >of the re-releases are easy to find in the US, but the re-masters of the >group consisting of PHAEDRA / RUBYCON / RICOCHET / STRATOSFEAR are only >available as imports to the US (be aware, the Griffin releases of FORCE >MAJEURE and CYCLONE are NOT remastered; rare, perhaps, improved, no.) >BTW, if you are not aware of it, there is a 4-CD , uhhh, "rare track >collection" called ELECTRONIC ORGY, which you should make Priority ONE in >obtaining. I have this boo, uhh, rare collection and it has just about every >rare recording since 1972. Wanna hear "Ultima Thule Pt. 1 & 2"? it is here. >How about the tracks from the "70-80" box set, yup, they are here too! >Tracks from the KLEM cassettes and CD? Got 'em!! About the only thing that >is missing is the half-hour "Quinoa" track (but you can find that on the >MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 1 CD). Cost is around US$70 +/- $10. The CD's are 70+ >minutes each, so you are going to get your money's worth!! Limited to about >500 copies, so ACT NOW!! OK, what I want to know now is if I mailorder these remastered CDs of PHAEDRA through STRATOSFEAR, how do I distinguish them from the non-remastered ones? Do they also carry stickers saying "super bit mapping", as I've seen on the later virgin remasters? And where can I find a copy of Electronic Orgy? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 19 17:15:36 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:15:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <199802192113.QAA05564@wcic.org> Message-ID: In message <199802192113.QAA05564 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes If have nearly all the Virgin-era remasters as well as all the earlier Ohr period Castle re-masters. I can't really comment on the latter discs as with the exception of Atem, I never had the first generation CDs. However, for the Phaedra to Hyperborea re-masters, they are much much better than the original issues with much more sparkle and "tzing" as well as being mastered at a higher volume level. I am slightly suspicious of what techniques were used during the remastering and wouldn't be surprised if something like an aural exciter got stuck in the chain but whatever, they do sound better and if you are really into that era of TD then they are essential. To answer which are available - all the albums from Electronic Meditation through to Hyperborea with the exception of Sorcerer (this could really do with a remaster) and the '70-'80 set. I'm not exactly sure on the label situation but Electronic Meditation to Green Desert are on Castle and I _think_ the rest which were once Virgin are now on Castle somehow. Just out of idle observation, I have also been getting the Led Zep, Sabbath, Motorhead, Rush and of course HW remasters. Strictly in my opinion, the Led Zep discs are by far the best for sound quality (jaw dropping in places) followed by TD and then (surprise) Motorhead and Rush with HW and Sabbath next on an even level. No doubt which have the best packaging though! Getting back on track, the TD discs are definitely worth getting. Mark From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Feb 20 04:38:33 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (A. Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:38:33 +1100 Subject: Automatic reply Message-ID: Greetings Humanoid! Sonique is on a Sonic Attack foray in the outer reaches and will not be present in Terra Australis from Feb 22 to Mar 12, Terran standard. Remember - DO NOT PANIC!! This transmission will not be repeated From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Feb 20 04:29:51 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:29:51 -0600 Subject: Off Chrome Tour Dates Message-ID: > SAT.4-11 MINNEAPOLIS In case anybody wants to know: This gig is scheduled to be at the 7th Street Entry. Admission is $7.00 and there are no advance ticket sales. -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Feb 20 05:36:10 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:10 GMT Subject: OFF: Saxon (and now UFO) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > Despite starting life not only in Barnsley but also as Son of a Bitch, > Saxon soon came to embody all the strengths of the NWOBHM. Any die-hard Saxon fans on the list (as if!) might like to know that the band underwent a schism last year. Graham Oliver has reformed Son of a Bitch - including some Americans I believe. SoaB is therefore Saxon without Biff, Saxon still have him. No-one has mentioned *Denim and Leather*, when I was 16, 17, 18 that song was like an anthem for my generation. Well for me and my mates anyway. Absolutely the dogs bits :-) Talking of '70s and early '80s metal, I went to see those perennial underachievers UFO last night. Sheffield City hall about 90% full, great atmosphere and a very competent show. They did nothing fancy, no dry ice, minimal lights big f**k-off PA. They had Somon Wright (ex AC-DC) on drums and he was easily the most talented guy there. Michael Schenker had a pretty awful sound and the classic teutonic rock-god now looks like ... Roy Orbison. I kid you not, black DA, shades etc. Roy Orbison with a flying V. Most odd. Chris Bates From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Feb 19 21:58:28 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:58:28 -0000 Subject: BOC: on UK TV tonight! Message-ID: FYI Tommy Vances` The Friday Rock Show on VH-1 tonight is apparently playing a vid for Joan Crawford. This Euro Vh-1, midnight to 2am UK time. Just so you know.... Si ----- The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 20 10:27:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:27:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: Well, I just got back from a few days in Washington D.C., and have another confirmation that the new album is really coming. ICE magazine, which lists upcoming releases, has the following entry on March 24th: Blue Oyster Cult - Heaven Forbid (CMC Int'l) Dammit, those bastards are making it hard for me to be skeptical... ;-) Also, as mentioned here, but it bears repeating...someone from CMC has been posting album info on the AOL BOC board, and says that "See You in Black" will be the first (but NOT the last) single, and is going out to radio stations shortly. Most cool... John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 20 10:03:28 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:03:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: Marty (and all) The version of THE KEEP that is going to be showing up soon is NOT the rumoured 1984 soundtrack; it is more like "THE KEEP 1997". Those that have heard it (I haven't) have remarked that there is only two or three tracks faithful to the soundtrack of the movie (but then, how many soundtracks FAITHFULLY reproduce the music from the film?). So, the 1984 LP soundtrack continues to be a Flying Dutchman. (I think it was a mass delusion, brought on by repeated reports of "sightings". Either that or a passing Vogon planet-destroying spacecraft beamed 'em all on-board and is using them for the annihilation of small planetoid). Yes, Herr Franke and Herr Froese are not on speaking terms. I think that they both suffer from the lack of creative interaction that they once shared. Froese has expressed his intention to turn TD over to his son Jerome in the next few years, which, judging by the last few releases, may not be a bad thing. I wouldn't call the last few releases New Age Sewage, but I would call it "adult contemporary instrumentals" which the likes of Kenny G, John Tesh and Yawni are prime culprits of. There are a few shining moments, but I play the latest Jean-Michel Jarre (OXYGENE 7-13) infinitely more times than I do the last few TD releases (retro as hell, but well done and in the spirit of the first OXYGENE. There is a box set of both OXYGENES, the first one re-mastered, with an extra track on the new one called "Oxygene In Moscow". Get it if you don't have the OXYGENE releases already). I'm not sure if Gary Davis carries TD stuff (I think he does), but I know that CDNow does. And most of the big chains carry the general availability CD's at bargain prices. Don't pay any more that $11.99 for any remastered title... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Lawrence To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 6:40 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Tangerine Dream >> >> I bought all the Tangerine Dream CDs when they first came out, and I've >> noticed that SOME have been reissued in the past few years with >> super-bit-mapped mastering. Does anyone have these and can you tell me, do >> they in fact sound noticeably better? The only ones I've seen are basically >> the 80's Virgin albums. What about all the 70's Virgin stuff--are there >> remasters available or what? I know these albums would sound great if >> remastered correctly (as evidenced by some of the remastered stuff in the >> Tangents box set), but I don't know if they have been or not. And then >> there are the albums remastered by Castle...how do these sound, compared to > > > I looked at their web page the other day and noticed that the "infamous" >The KEEP soundtrack is being released this year.Apparantly it was sold on their >european tour last year to test the waters? > >I haven't bought any of their stuff since Franke left,they seemed to go all newage mush,no more long sequencer sequences .I dont think Edgar is very friendly >with Chris Franke anymore , so a reunion of the old material doesn't look on >the cards. >I haven't got any of the remastered stuff ,but Mr Shipley might be able to help. > >regards > >Marty > From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 20 10:57:15 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:57:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles reissues coming soon! Message-ID: Sorry if this is not your cup of tea, but I know that there are a bunch of you out there that like the Tentacles; this is for you... Snapper Records is going to re-release three of the OT titles (Strangitude, Pungent Effulgent and Jurassic Shift) with a bonus track each and at a mid-range price. Three more titles will follow a couple of months later and there is a DJ-remix CD due out later in the year. <> Isn't it amazing how they came make (some of) us buy the same music over and over and over again???? :-/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 20 10:17:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:17:49 EDT Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: <199802201527.KAA29006@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz Well, I just got back from a few days in Washington D.C., and have > another confirmation that the new album is really coming. ICE magazine, > which lists upcoming releases, has the following entry on March 24th: > > Blue Oyster Cult - Heaven Forbid (CMC Int'l) > > Dammit, those bastards are making it hard for me to be skeptical... ;-) > > Also, as mentioned here, but it bears repeating...someone from CMC has > been posting album info on the AOL BOC board, and says that "See You > in Black" will be the first (but NOT the last) single, and is going > out to radio stations shortly. > > Most cool... John, I'm not too up on this singles stuff. What is their availability? Only given to radio stations? Any chance that an enterprising fan might glom onto a copy? theo From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Feb 20 11:18:04 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:18:04 +0000 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: <199802201527.KAA29006@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: UK retro magazine Mojo has a short but enthusiastic review (with photo) of the recent Redondo supper club gig, which says that the new album release is imminent. I'm beginning to believe it too! I assume that 3OC don't really acknowledge 'Imaginos' as a true BOC album, so I guess this is the first new record since 'Club Ninja'. Should be another one along in 2012 or so... - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 20 10:38:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:38:29 EDT Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: M R Godwin > UK retro magazine Mojo has a short but enthusiastic review (with photo) of > the recent Redondo supper club gig, which says that the new album release > is imminent. > > I'm beginning to believe it too! > > I assume that 3OC don't really acknowledge 'Imaginos' as a true BOC album, > so I guess this is the first new record since 'Club Ninja'. Should be > another one along in 2012 or so... > Well, we all know Al doesn't consider it a BOC album! While it's always a good idea for 3OC fans to be skeptical, we can look to the history of other bands who've worked with CMC. Most of their bands put out an album every year. So it looks to me like if CMC signs you, they tend to have faith and stick by you. I think that if the album does moderately well, we can look for another one pretty soon. If the album tanks? Well we could start hearing echoes of EB's stage promises of new material... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 20 11:43:02 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:43:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: I suspect an enterprising fan might find a copy at some point - and it may show up in a few Goldmine dealers' hands. I think at this point it's radio-only promo, but who knows? And, if someone from CMC is going to frequent the AOL BOC board, perhaps we'll be able to get such answers there. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 20 11:45:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:45:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: >I assume that 3OC don't really acknowledge 'Imaginos' as a true BOC album, so I guess this is the first new record since 'Club Ninja'. Should be another one along in 2012 or so... Yeah, you can make different arguments here. Some would even say that since CN is so heavily-laden with outside writers, that this album is the first since TRBN. Of course, these arguments have to disregard the Bad Channels songs... For me, I think its just best to say that this is the first new BOC studio album in 10 years (nice round number). John From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 20 12:05:51 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:05:51 EST Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: We'll I always thought it'd be happening, eventually, but it was a long, long wait..... sounds like it'll be worth it!!! Getting ready for 3/24/98! "Heaven Forbid".. Good to see ya again John, I too am making plans to raise some heck in music shops, gotta special BOC costume to wear, taking the day off work as well- thought I was the only extremeist in that dept....:-) Its less than a month away WAAAAHOOOOOO!!!! Briz the grinning girl!!!! From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Feb 20 12:07:41 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:07:41 EST Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: In a message dated 98-02-20 11:46:20 EST, you write: << For me, I think its just best to say that this is the first new BOC studio album in 10 years (nice round number). >> During the Buck Dharma Band concert, Buck announced "BOC's been working on a new record for about a decade". It got a lot of laughs, and one person shouted "What's WITH that?" (Must've been someone on BOC-L ;-) Buck responded, "Well, just to show you that we do have, I'm going to play some of them for you tonight". Then they ripped into Live For Me. I have a feeling that Live For Me will go over very well on the Classic Rock Stations, where See You In Black might be a little too hard for them. Still Burnin is another possibility with it's Van Halenish sound. I hoping a few of the singles make it, if it does I have a feeling Harvest Moon could become a classic. And who knows, Damaged or Hammerback could be great tunes for all I know:-) chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Fri Feb 20 13:26:11 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:26:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: Saxon (and now UFO) Message-ID: > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > Despite starting life not only in Barnsley but also as Son of a Bitch, > > Saxon soon came to embody all the strengths of the NWOBHM. > > Any die-hard Saxon fans on the list (as if!) might like to > know that the band underwent a schism last year. Graham Oliver > has reformed Son of a Bitch - including some Americans I > believe. SoaB is therefore Saxon without Biff, Saxon still have > him. Here's what Biff had to say about them in the Christmas issue of Brave Words and Bloody Knuckles: "There is a band now called Sonofabitch and we're suing them at the moment. They keep getting concerts and are putting their name about an eighth of an inch high and ex-Saxon members about 15 foot. Sonofabitch never had an album out that band lasted only seven months, before we got our first record deal and changed our name to Saxon." > No-one has mentioned *Denim and Leather*, when I was 16, 17, 18 > that song was like an anthem for my generation. Well for me and my > mates anyway. Absolutely the dogs bits :-) > > Talking of '70s and early '80s metal, I went to see those > perennial underachievers UFO last night. Sheffield City hall > about 90% full, great atmosphere and a very competent show. > They did nothing fancy, no dry ice, minimal lights big f**k-off > PA. They had Somon Wright (ex AC-DC) on drums and he was easily > the most talented guy there. Michael Schenker had a pretty > awful sound and the classic teutonic rock-god now looks like > ... Roy Orbison. I kid you not, black DA, shades etc. Roy > Orbison with a flying V. Most odd. Ohmigod! Are there any current pictures of him on the web? I still have to get the "Walk on Water" album. Is it any good? > Chris Bates -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Fri Feb 20 13:17:35 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:17:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: <8ec882c3.34edb85f@aol.com> Message-ID: > over very well on the Classic Rock >Stations, where See You In Black might be a little too hard for them. Luckily, my "Classic" rock station has a saying, "it doesn't have to be old to be a classic" > >And who knows, Damaged or Hammerback could be great tunes for all I know:-) >From what I here, Hammerback is a great song;-) Jack > Miracles DO Happen, Take One >http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm >The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert >Featuring The Buck Dharma Band > > From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Feb 20 13:44:49 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:44:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles reissues coming soon! In-Reply-To: <01bd3e18$377b3300$1882d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: It's funny you should mention the tentacles.. someone once told me that OT sounded a bit like HW ("the british hawkwind" were the exact words), so i decided to check them out (I got jurassic shift), only to discover they're not much like HW at all (disappointingly).. I was considering getting some of their earlier stuff, are there any which sound HW-ish at all? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 20 14:25:59 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:25:59 PST Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles Message-ID: >It's funny you should mention the tentacles.. someone once told me that OT >sounded a bit like HW ("the british hawkwind" were the exact words), Who said this? Slap them! Hawkwind ARE British! Flip sake! >so i >decided to check them out (I got jurassic shift), only to discover they're >not much like HW at all (disappointingly). Stylistically, they're miles apart, but in terms of sheer spaciness, they're pretty 'Windy. Jurassic Shift was the first OT LP I picked up, just after I heard Space Bandits (which was just after I'd got Levitation, which was just after I'd thought I'd died and gone to heaven after listening to Space Ritual), and my first thoughts were of a seventies-feel Hawkwind with nineties technology and techniques. But after that, I realized HW were just one of a big list of influences on OT. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 20 15:54:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:54:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: >We'll I always thought it'd be happening, eventually, I always WANTED to believe - after the SVP thing aborted about a year ago, I started letting the cynicism get to me. After the announcement of the CMC deal, though, I'm a believer again. :-) >Getting ready for 3/24/98! Yep, think I'll take the day off, be the first in my neighborhood to get the disc (Boston-area fans, consider it a challenge), and will spend the day grooving on the tunes, sipping some suds, and joining the online record release parties. I hope to write a review soon after - and will try and be true to my BOC-L roots and provide something more than just pronouncing it the great album that I expect it to be. >gotta special BOC costume to wear Pictures - we want pictures! :-) >but it was a long, long wait..... sounds like it'll be worth it!!! I think it will. But, it can be the worst BOC album of all time and I still want it. O.K., I don't really want "Club Ninja Part II", "Teen Archer Debbie Denise Beats Up the One I Was Looking For", or "BOC's Greatest Ballads" with an extend remix of a live version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", but if they put it out, I'll probably buy it. LOL. John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Feb 20 16:07:55 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:07:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: <19980220192600.26578.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > after listening to Space Ritual), and my first thoughts were of a > seventies-feel Hawkwind with nineties technology and techniques. > But after that, I realized HW were just one of a big list of influences > on OT. It's probably fair to say that Gong and Steve Hillage are a more pronounced influence on Ozric Tentacles---more so than Hawkwind. OT also throw in a bit more 'o the ethnic feel, too. But, as others have pointed out, the overall result is SPACY! I never found an OT album I didn't like. I've heard many people say "heard one, heard 'em all", though. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band, _Trouble Is..._ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Feb 20 16:22:59 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:22:59 -0700 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: <199802202054.PAA06780@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > I think it will. But, it can be the worst BOC album of all time and > I still want it. O.K., I don't really want "Club Ninja Part II", > "Teen Archer Debbie Denise Beats Up the One I Was Looking For", or > "BOC's Greatest Ballads" with an extend remix of a live version of > "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", but if they put it out, I'll probably buy > it. LOL. > > John Wow, you sound like sound like some Hawkwind fans I know (myself included).............. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From ccoppage at FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US Fri Feb 20 16:32:33 1998 From: ccoppage at FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US (Carl coppage) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:32:33 -0500 Subject: anyone going to BOC/March 21/COLS OH Message-ID: What luck ! BOC coming to my hometown three days before release date ! I'm a relatively new fan, as well as being new to this list...so this will be my first time seeing them live ! Any COLS or OH fans out there planning to catch this show on 3/21 ? CMC From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Fri Feb 20 11:54:13 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:54:13 GMT Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: >>Getting ready for 3/24/98! > >Yep, think I'll take the day off, be the first in my neighborhood to get >the disc (Boston-area fans, consider it a challenge), and will spend the >day grooving on the tunes, sipping some suds, Argh. And with my luck, the album won't be released here in Mexico before a few additional months :-(( Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Feb 20 22:05:13 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:05:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: <19980220192600.26578.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > >It's funny you should mention the tentacles.. someone once told me that > OT > >sounded a bit like HW ("the british hawkwind" were the exact words), > Who said this? Slap them! Hawkwind ARE British! Flip sake! yes yes, we know, i guess they thought that OT and HW were the same or something ;) > > >so i > >decided to check them out (I got jurassic shift), only to discover > they're > >not much like HW at all (disappointingly). > > Stylistically, they're miles apart, but in terms of sheer spaciness, > they're pretty 'Windy. Jurassic Shift was the first OT LP I picked up, > just after I heard Space Bandits (which was just after I'd got > Levitation, which was just after I'd thought I'd died and gone to heaven > after listening to Space Ritual), and my first thoughts were of a > seventies-feel Hawkwind with nineties technology and techniques. > But after that, I realized HW were just one of a big list of influences > on OT. i like the last song on JS, more guitar-y than the other tracks.. is there an OT period where the songs are more guitar-y rather than synthy? As far as I know the members of OT met at one of those Stonehenge festivals that HW played at, back in the early 80s.. so I'm guessing that HW was one of OTs influences. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From micci at SCI.FI Sat Feb 21 09:51:31 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:51:31 +0200 Subject: HW:sonic attack Message-ID: Hi! I just buy Ambient Anarchists cd (which is preatty good btw.) and there is very intresting version of Sonic Attack in disc two. Credits are Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock, who are these ferreira and mcbean? and from where this version is taken? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 21 10:37:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:37:32 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: <199802211451.QAA00102@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: In article <199802211451.QAA00102 at ds9.sci.fi>, Miikka Wagner writes >Hi! > >I just buy Ambient Anarchists cd (which is preatty good btw.) and there is >very intresting version of Sonic Attack in disc two. Credits are >Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock, who are these ferreira and mcbean? and from where >this version is taken? > > >Miikka Wagner >email: micci at sci.fi >http://www.sci.fi/~micci It's the remix from the Ritual Of the Solstice collection. The other two are from The Knights Of The Occasional Table, is my guess. -- Jon From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Feb 22 04:24:33 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 02:24:33 -0700 Subject: OFF: Just Braggin'!!!!!!! Message-ID: Hi all! Just had to say-the Rockin' Cabbie is truly so now!!! I decided on a JVC 12-disc changer-and truly enjoyable it is!!!!!My oh my-it is sweet:) It's so very nice to listen to the discs my old portable couldn't handle any more:) It kinda got reeeeaaall sensitive and would pick up ANY bit of anything-and therefore refuse to play it:( Again, Craig-thanx for the advice:) Lets Rock!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Strageitude is a bit more guitary than the rest...I'd go fot that one.. Never really got off on Jurassic shift.... The Strangeitude tour was incredible...I saw them at Newcastle by the end of the gig I was curled up in a foetal ball at the back of the club ;-) I think it does owe alot more to the Hillage/Blake Gong stuff though, than Hawkwind.... eldritch From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Feb 22 11:35:17 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:35:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just Braggin'!!!!!!! Message-ID: Glad to help, Pam!! So, didja go for the JVC changer w/t amp? I am thinking real hard about going that route for my van. "Rock on wi'tcha bad self!!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 4:29 AM Subject: OFF: Just Braggin'!!!!!!! >Hi all! >Just had to say-the Rockin' Cabbie is truly so now!!! I decided on a JVC >12-disc changer-and truly enjoyable it is!!!!!My oh my-it is sweet:) >It's so very nice to listen to the discs my old portable couldn't handle >any more:) It kinda got reeeeaaall sensitive and would pick up ANY bit >of anything-and therefore refuse to play it:( >Again, Craig-thanx for the advice:) >Lets Rock!!! >Pam > >-- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" >E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com >http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Feb 22 12:04:07 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:04:07 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21 Feb 98 at 15:37, Jon Browne wrote: > In article <199802211451.QAA00102 at ds9.sci.fi>, Miikka Wagner > writes > >Hi! > > > >I just buy Ambient Anarchists cd (which is preatty good btw.) and there is > >very intresting version of Sonic Attack in disc two. Credits are > >Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock, who are these ferreira and mcbean? and from where > >this version is taken? > > > > > >Miikka Wagner > >email: micci at sci.fi > >http://www.sci.fi/~micci > > > It's the remix from the Ritual Of the Solstice collection. > The other two are from The Knights Of The Occasional Table, is my > guess. -- Jon > Nope, Cisco Ferreira and Colin McBean are The Advent. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Feb 22 12:16:41 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 10:16:41 -0700 Subject: OFF: Just Braggin'!!!!!!! Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > Glad to help, Pam!! > > So, didja go for the JVC changer w/t amp? I am thinking real hard > about > going that route for my van. "Rock on wi'tcha bad self!!" No-w/out-the stereo in this car cranx w/out it-besides-no place to put it:( sure is nice, tho!! I will be really "rockin'" Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hi folks A German Hawkwind fan (without Internet access) asked me to let you know that he is selling his very huge HAWKWIND collection He will remain HAWKWIND fan but needs the money because of personal problems He is not selling all (but most) of the stuff and will keep a couple of items. What he has got to sell are: - 100 singles - 150 LP's - 150 CD's - 10 Tour programs - 15 bootlegs >From most of the LP's and CD's and singles he has got 5 or more VERY RARE different editions (different labels, different releasing countries......) He asked me to let you know that he will send the stuff first and then he wants the money. I think this is an offer we all can live with. There is no risk for you! I phoned with him about one hour ago and ordered 2 items I was looking for. He has really got two handfull of VERY RARE stuff. Believe me !!! This guys name and address is: Soehnke Kuehne Thiensen 3 25373 Ellerhoop Germany Just give him a phonecall to get the stuff you are looking for Bernhard Tel.: Germany 04120 519 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Feb 22 14:08:11 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:08:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff to sell (correcion) Message-ID: Hi folks A German Hawkwind fan (without Internet access) asked me to let you know that he is selling his very huge HAWKWIND collection He will remain HAWKWIND fan but needs the money because of personal problems He is not selling all (but most) of the stuff and will keep a couple of items. What he has got to sell are: - 100 singles - 150 LP's - 150 CD's - 10 Tour programs - 15 bootlegs >From most of the LP's and CD's and singles he has got 5 or more VERY RARE different editions (different labels, different releasing countries......) He asked me to let you know that he will send the stuff first and then he wants the money. I think this is an offer we all can live with. There is no risk for you! I phoned with him about one hour ago and ordered 2 items I was looking for. He has really got two handfull of VERY RARE stuff. Believe me !!! This guys name and address is: Soehnke Kuehne Thiensen 3 25373 Ellerhoop Germany Tel.: Germany 04120 519 Just give him a phonecall to get the stuff you are looking for Bernhard From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Feb 23 04:38:23 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:38:23 +0000 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! Message-ID: Is 24 March a worldwide release date - or is it just the US? Does anyone have a UK release date? Cheers, Rich. ObCD: "Voyage to the bottom of the road" - Half Man Half Biscuit From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 04:19:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:19:57 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: <199802221704.RAA21899@camelot.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: In article <199802221704.RAA21899 at camelot.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes >> It's the remix from the Ritual Of the Solstice collection. >> The other two are from The Knights Of The Occasional Table, is my >> guess. -- Jon >> > >Nope, Cisco Ferreira and Colin McBean are The Advent. > >Alasdair In which case this is not off Ritual Of The Solstice. Don't tell me it's an original release? -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Feb 23 09:52:08 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:52:08 +0800 Subject: HW:sonic attack Message-ID: >>> It's the remix from the Ritual Of the Solstice collection. >>> The other two are from The Knights Of The Occasional Table, is my >>> guess. -- Jon >>> >> >>Nope, Cisco Ferreira and Colin McBean are The Advent. >> >>Alasdair > >In which case this is not off Ritual Of The Solstice. Don't tell me it's >an original release? >-- >Jon > Maybe The Knights Of The Occasional Table & The Advent are one and the same? I suspect Doctor Jest (Haggis of Sensor) is another name for Doctor Technical, Mr. Brock himself? William From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Feb 23 10:37:30 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:37:30 -0500 Subject: tBS: Brownies In-Reply-To: <67AC8B2FED@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Feb 19, 98 03:15:42 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: > > >> From: Stephen Swann > >> Since I know you're all wondering, yes, the X-Brothers do indeed > kick > > some serious ass. You all know the kind of songs Joe Bouchard wrote > > for BOC, and that's what he's delivered with the X-Brothers. Strong, > > clear melodies, hard driving rythms, and heavy all over. Maybe it's > > not fair to draw comparisons, but the X-Brothers are less eclectic and > > more straightforward in their presentation than the Brain Surgeons. > > You probably won't (although I admit that I haven't yet given their CD > > the close listen that it deserves) find the sort of inspired > > quirkiness or dark, dense material that you're used to hearing from > > the Surgeons, but you will find hard-edged, unadulterated rock-n-roll > > that'll knock your socks off. I recommend checking out their CD, > > and I definitely recommend catching them live if you get the chance. > > > > Any questions? ;-) > > > Yeah! How's Joe on guitar? Is he a serious lead player or did Billy > handle all the lead work? Joe's a very good guitar (and keyboard) player, and he does a lot of what I guess you'd call melodic lead. But my recollection (which could be faulty or incomplete, since I had to bail partway through the set), is that Billy handled the "blistering solo" parts. Joe did all the lead vocals, btw; his voice is sounding really good these days. Steve From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Feb 23 11:04:53 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:04:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind stuff to sell Message-ID: Hi folks Here are some more informations for you This guy speaks English very good, so there is no problem to call him. He want's only cash (German Marks DM, US Dollars US$ or English Pound) Here is again his phonenumber Tel.: Germany 04120 519 I do not want to be involved in this deal because it will end with endless questions and answers. But I'll try to help some of you Bernhard From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Feb 23 12:38:25 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:38:25 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: <001b01bd406a$9eb33e60$a5453bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, William Duffy wrote: > > I suspect Doctor Jest (Haggis of Sensor) is another name for Doctor > Technical, Mr. Brock himself? > I suggest not, as Haggis of Sensor looks nothing like Dr. Brock, but ISTR Haggis has done other remixes. Mike w From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Feb 23 12:34:39 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:34:39 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack Message-ID: Naaa.... Haggis of Senser... Senser the band they're on the old Planet Dog label with Eat Static etc I saw them live a few years back, they were a bit to hard for me though ;-) eldritch From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Feb 23 20:07:46 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:07:46 -0500 Subject: tBS: Brownies Message-ID: >> >> From: Stephen Swann >Joe's a very good guitar (and keyboard) player, and he does a lot of >what I guess you'd call melodic lead. But my recollection (which >could be faulty or incomplete, since I had to bail partway through the >set), is that Billy handled the "blistering solo" parts. Joe did the melodic parts and Billy did the "blistering" leads but Joe also did all the funky rhythm parts. >Joe did all the lead vocals, btw; his voice is sounding really good >these days. He lost his voice by the end of their set... The next X Brothers album may have some other lead vocalists. ,{:-) but he did sound good again when he took the second verse of R&B at the end of the night. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 23 23:07:55 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:07:55 -0500 Subject: HW:sonic attack Message-ID: haven't really been following this thread, and i am probably pointing out the obvious here, but Dr Jest was Elric's Head Torturer/Surgeon. rj M S Wright wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, William Duffy wrote: > > > > > I suspect Doctor Jest (Haggis of Sensor) is another name for Doctor > > Technical, Mr. Brock himself? > > > > I suggest not, as Haggis of Sensor looks nothing like Dr. Brock, but ISTR > Haggis has done other remixes. > > Mike w From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 24 07:52:52 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: BOC - I upgraded my website Message-ID: Hello, Hello? Traffic seems awfully light today - are there problems? Anyway, just wanted to let you all know that I've re-designed my BOC website (http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman) with some nice navigation, new news and links, and some additional cool graphics. Check it out when you get a chance, and let me know what you think. My Brain Surgeons website is also due for a facelift, and I hope to do that within the next week or two. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 07:37:51 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:37:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: It's Coming! In-Reply-To: <34F146C1.26C46213@geocities.com> Message-ID: In article <34F146C1.26C46213 at geocities.com>, Rich Lockwood writes >Is 24 March a worldwide release date - or is it just the US? Does >anyone have a UK release date? Inquiring minds want to know! > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >ObCD: "Voyage to the bottom of the road" - Half Man Half Biscuit "Everyone's doing the Len Ganley Stance" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 07:28:04 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:28:04 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: <34F2479B.E7852A8D@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <34F2479B.E7852A8D at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >haven't really been following this thread, and i am probably pointing out the >obvious here, >but Dr Jest was Elric's Head Torturer/Surgeon. >rj "kindly" Dr. Jest, hee! -- Jon Browne From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Feb 24 09:43:51 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:43:51 -0500 Subject: tBS: Brownies In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 23, 98 08:07:46 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > >> >> From: Stephen Swann > > >Joe's a very good guitar (and keyboard) player, and he does a lot of > >what I guess you'd call melodic lead. But my recollection (which > >could be faulty or incomplete, since I had to bail partway through the > >set), is that Billy handled the "blistering solo" parts. > > Joe did the melodic parts and Billy did the "blistering" leads but Joe also > did all the funky rhythm parts. > > >Joe did all the lead vocals, btw; his voice is sounding really good > >these days. > > He lost his voice by the end of their set... The next X Brothers album may > have some other lead vocalists. ,{:-) but he did sound good again when he > took the second verse of R&B at the end of the night. Whoops! I was wondering when he had developed such sustained power. I guess the answer is that he hasn't - he burns out if he tries to keep up that level of intensity...? That's too bad - he was sounding great. I really regret missing the last part of his set - he was really on a roll up through Love is a Killing Thing. Steve From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 07:36:34 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:36:34 +0000 Subject: HW:sonic attack In-Reply-To: <34F1B32F.F098A808@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34F1B32F.F098A808 at ndirect.co.uk>, eldritch writes >Senser the band they're on the old Planet Dog label with Eat Static etc >I saw them live a few years back, they were a bit to hard for me though > >;-) > >eldritch State Of Panic was a good choon though. (or was it Age of Panic? god, there go the brain cells) What I've heard sounds like Rage Against The Machine. -- Jon obCD - A Heavy Dose Of Lite Psyche (yeah, another '60's comp) From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 24 12:14:48 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:14:48 -0600 Subject: BOC: Going On's Message-ID: Gee take a few days away for a business trip and stuff happens. Let me see if I have this straight... First single from Heaven Forbid will be ...See You in Black? KEWL. Like this song real good rocker. Radio airplay will be targeted at Classic Rock format radio stations? Huh? Don't hear many new songs from classic rock bands on our local station. Why isn't this going out to radio in general? John Swartz was in the DC area? Ya must have driven down from Beantown, my people never spotted you at the local airports. They did detain Kevin Bacon though. 8>) Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! Wake of Magellan US release is now April 7? WAY KEWL! Gary Hoey, Hocus Pocus Live is out today? Best Buy better have it. L8er Ghost In The Ruins OBCD - King's X Dogman From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 24 12:45:00 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:45:00 GMT Subject: HW: moorcock interview (LONG!) Message-ID: A couple of months ago an interview that Dave Brock did for a psychedelic mag called "Sniffin' Flowers" (c.1977) was posted here. This is one by Mike Moorcock that appears in the same issue and might also be of interest. It's perhaps only fair to emphasise that the date this was made was 1977 and his opinions will be related to that period. It could well be that he has moderated some of them by now - 20 odd years later down the road! jill =================================================================== Interview with Michael Moorcock recorded by and published in "Sniffin Flowers" magazine (2nd issue) published c. 1977 Sniffin' Flowers: When did you take up music? Michael Moorcock: About 1954, I suppose, when everybody else in my generation was. I didn't much go for British commercial Rock and Roll, more of my interest was in Blues and White American Folk music. Woody Guthrie was a great idol of mine. I met Jack Elliot, who was over here a long time, when he was a kind of prophet for Guthrie so I learnt a lot of Guthrie's songs from Elliot. We went out as a Country and Western band since it was possible to get gigs doing that, whereas it wouldn't be as a Guthrie type singer, so we sang a lot of Guthrie songs under the guise of being a sort of cowboy band, which was after all, what Guthrie did, although not in South London. I was around the same age or probably older than things that led to the Yardbirds, the Stones and R and B thing, but I got out of it before it started making money. I got fed up with playing sleasy gigs in dance halls, they wanted "See you later Alligator", but that's what we used to do, straight Blues. I was serious about it, but I tend to be fairly private about it. I think that's what it boils down to and the whole music business can so easily destroy you and make you cynical, dead or whatever. I don't think I've got the temperament for being in the Rock'n Roll world, so many people I know have been brought down by it, have had nervous breakdowns or got themselves killed. I still get rather depressed backstage at gigs. It's not the musicians, it's all the people around them, there are so many fucking hangers on and they are always idiots, with one or two exceptions. Like films it attracts the no talent bullshiters and I'd find myself getting really cynical if I'd stayed in the music business. I've done a fair bit with Hawkwind, but again gave up doing straight gigs, and just stuck to doing free gigs and benefits. I wouldn't do any paid gigs, 'cos the atmospheres of free gigs are always better or a benefit's better because you're actually doing it for a purpose, and you don't get all the idiots. SF: How did you become associated with Hawkwind? MM: Well, a number of people in the band read my stuff, that was it really. I went to a few gigs and started writing some stuff for them. "Sonic Attack" and so on which I was doing mainly for Robert. Then Robert had a breakdown, took a rest or whatever the euphemism is, he went in the looney bin, Dave said would I do it and I didn't want him to feel that I was taking over his job so I said to him and Hawkwind that I'd stand in for Robert until he felt like coming back, which is more or less what I did. SF: What are your favourite Hawkwind albums? MM: Most of them from the middle period. I suppose probably "Space Ritual" is my favourite. I don't listen to much heavy metal Rock and Roll. I enjoy it, but my own taste is towards more melodic music, but I suppose "Space Ritual" is my favourite. SF: How did the concept of "New World's Fair" come about? MM: Well I've always written songs and one Spring I was up at our place in Yorkshire with a number of people. There were a couple of songs I wrote and they said why not do one as a single and Douglas (Smith) said "Yeah why don't you?" So we did this single, which was in fact never released and we went to have lunch with Andrew Lauder of U.A. I thought it was just to discuss the single and Andrew Lauder said "We like the single, when do we get the album?" I had a couple of mates who were trying to get started in music and I thought I'd use it to give them a bit of experience which I think now was quite a serious mistake, I mean I don't regret them doing it, but it meant that everything was reduced and I didn't really do what I would have done if left to myself. I did lose concept that would take in their numbers and mine but actually the only two numbers I like upon the album are the first and last ones. SF: Are you going to be doing any more albums? MM: Well Pete Pavli and I are both musically very similar in our development and what we are doing really is not Rock and Roll anymore, it's much closer to 19th century Romantic music with a little bit of Schoenburg bunged in in terms of influence. It's emphatically very melodic and complex and there aren't many Rock and Roll companies that want to do that so we are hoping to do "Gloriana" which is the ambitious thing we are doing, for the BBC first as a sort of third programme thing. SF: About three years ago, I heard a rumour that you were going to do a concept album about the eternal champion? MM: Well Dave wanted me to do a concept and lyrics for an album he wanted to do on his own and I did half of it to give him a start off, which was an entire story in songs, a little narration, less than on "New World's Fair", but he hasn't done much with it. A fragment appeared on a thing he did called "Golden Void". I don't think that Dave and I have got very much in common musically you know, I like him a lot but the things he is interested in musically aren't the same, whereas with Pete we get on very well. There's nothing like our stuff in popular music at the moment and it probably isn't very popular, whether a record company will ever do it, I don't know really, I scarcely care. I find the whole conventional process of making a record so exhausting 'cos again, you're dealing 75% of the time with production, more than the actual music and I think it's true that you can do more on a bloody Akai in Yorkshire than you can ever produce in a studio. When you go into a studio obviously you might have a slightly better sound, but it just isn't as good as you can do at home. I think more and more people are going to do that. You lose a lot, particularly when people don't know what you're doing, 'cos more people are only good at producing soul. Go into any studio and the taste of technicians is abominable. I mean they might be nice blokes or good technicians, but they don't know what you want. They try to make everything come out like the Supremes or whatever and they can't understand what you're doing, even if they like it. They always make everything bass heavy even if your intentions are in the higher ranges, like in a lot of our stuff there's not much bass line, but when they come to record it they make everything bass heavy and distorted as a result. There's no way round it. I think Eno's a good producer, I admire him tremendously. If we were going to do a record in commercial terms, then I'd want Eno to do it, but then nobody likes Eno because he's so nasty. I actually like him for that reason, that is he's very demanding and people like to have a happy time. When I'm working I like to be working and nothing else, whereas most people like to have a few joints and get relaxed, which means that everything takes ten times as long and costs ten times as much. SF: Would you like to offer an opinion on punk rock? MM: Well it seems to me that this is pure prejudice, 'cos I don't like the styles, I don't like the cynicism, I don't like what it does, all that cathartic stuff was probably alright in the 1960's. I've only actually seen it live in America by accident 'cos I didn't know what I was getting into. I think it is a pure creation of the music press, you know, middle class lads who think black leather is great. My view is that when the origins of punk, if you like say 1950's Rock and Roll, came about, the people doing it weren't self conscious at all, I mean the styles of say Little Richard or Elvis weren't self-consciously adopted. They really thought that when they went on stage that they were very elegant. Teddy Boys reckoned that they were very sharp, they weren't wearing the stuff for any satirical reasons. As a result, the thing did have its own sort of power and was healthy, but this stuff just shows a total paucity of invention. It's just an extension of the position that commercial Rock and Roll got into, for all it's supposed to be a new wave. As for anti-establishment, I don't think that it is, it seems ideal for what Top of the Pops is after. It could be just the generation. I've sort of always been an old hippy before there were hippies. The thing is that 1965 to 1970 were to me all that I'd wanted to be before that, sometimes I get reviews in places like "NME" and "Time Out" as this dated old sod, doesn't realise that things have moved on. Which again is a complete confusion, between fashion and art, which the Rock business is particularly prone to. They think that everything is down to fashion and nobody seems to be capable, the journalists in particular, because they are constantly following fashion, of realising that people do have a certain thing, that they've always had. You know, you have a period when it happens to be in vogue, you carry on and it's not in vogue any more and you get this very strange "Ha, Ha, Ha, you're not in vogue any more" and you never wanted to be in vogue in the first place. With punk, the two words to me which would crop up most are self-conscious cynicism. The whole hippy thing was idealistic and I still sort of believe in the same sort of ideals. I don't see why you shouldn't just because they've stopped being fashionable as it were. I think that there's nothing wrong with Love and Peace. It might not be as easy as that to achieve. In all my books I still try, however complex they are, particularly in the sword and scorcery to have a very simple message at the end, saying it can be done. It is worth hanging on to your ideals, so I find punk rather horrible. I find it pretty sad really, I mean I was pretty old when the whole underground thing started and I was privately cynical about a lot of ideals 'cos they were a bit wild. I'd been through so much that I'd be the one saying "Yeah, alright try it, but I don't think it's as easy as that". I always had a very strong sympathy with it and when you wrote to me, I immediately felt a strong sympathy. I was particularly associated with "Friends" 'cos "Friends" was the best of the underground papers because it was so untogether in terms of production. I just responded to the whole style of it and similarly with Hawkwind and the big festivals, particularly Windsor. Although I thought a lot of the things people were saying at the time were silly, I was still sympathetic whereas the pseudo-sophistication of punk I find completely demoralising. It just makes me miserable because there's nothing but vogue behind it and a kind of cathartic would be evil. I always found the Rolling Stones very daft. The Damned with the bloke going on in a tutu. They always go on wearing a tutu ever since they started doing that sort of thing or they'll always wear slicked back hair or they'll always wear black leather. There's no imagination in the music. It seems to me that they're completely derivative. Another thing is that it's the old people are always wary of attacking anything new in case they are made to look like fools, which is the way it goes these days. It's the same for artists, I mean nobody likes to say a piece of conceptual art is a load of rubbish, and it's the same with music, most of the popele who've taken up with punk, have taken up with it largely because they didn't have any taste in the first place and it's a great relief to them to find something that they can like or because they are afraid of being out of the trend. I think you really have to decide what you like and what you don't like and stick with it. SF: Have you any final message? MM: Holy Mother! No, I haven't. Any message that I've ever got, came out in books and then only came out towards the end, when I've written the book, but I don't start off with any particular message, so I haven't got any final message. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Feb 24 12:32:01 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:32:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: Going On's In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:14:48 CST." Message-ID: > > Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! Yeah, what's the deal there ? Being replaced by Nuno Bettencourt ? Might as well kiss that band goodbye, if you haven't already :-) cheers, Tim ObCD: Mentallo & the Fixer _Continuum_ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Feb 24 13:00:12 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:00:12 -0500 Subject: HW: moorcock interview (LONG!) In-Reply-To: <199802241745.RAA19169@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: hello, whats this about calvert going mad?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 24 13:00:11 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:00:11 GMT Subject: test - ignore Message-ID: Sorry, testing my mail setup for BOC-L From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 24 12:23:19 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:23:19 EDT Subject: BOC: Going On's In-Reply-To: <199802241732.RAA23390@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: bart > > > > Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! > > Yeah, what's the deal there ? Being replaced by Nuno Bettencourt ? Might as > well kiss that band goodbye, if you haven't already :-) No shit? Man, that dog don't hunt! Goes to show you anyone can sell out. When Extreme was in their moment in the sun, Nuno always used to wax so philosophical about principles etc. But then Extreme breaks up, his solo record tanks, and voila, Queensryche! I predict a zero percent probability that this will be fruitful... theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 24 13:46:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:46:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: For Theo, mostly Message-ID: Theo, Hoey is out... Hocus Pocus Live - Intro Blast - ES II Drive - Animal Instincts (Elec.) /ESII (Unplugged) High-Top Bop - GH Peace Pipe - Bug Alley Low Rider - ES II Linus and Lucy - ES II The Deep - ES II Bert's Lounge - AI Red House - Hendrix Cover Hocus Pocus - AI Wipeout - Bug Alley Bonus Studio Tracks - Tele Like It Is Hocus Pocus (Insanity Mix) Can't wait to spin it. Glaring ommission, Black Magic Woman. Surprised and loving it, Bert's Lounge (fave Hoey Song) Was in a guitar "god mood" and picked up Ted Nugent Live at Hammersmith '79. Truly the best timeframe of Ted's career. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 24 13:12:32 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:12:32 EDT Subject: OFF: For Theo, mostly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Theo, > > Hoey is out... > > Hocus Pocus Live - > > Intro > Blast - ES II > Drive - Animal Instincts (Elec.) /ESII (Unplugged) > High-Top Bop - GH > Peace Pipe - Bug Alley > Low Rider - ES II > Linus and Lucy - ES II > The Deep - ES II > Bert's Lounge - AI > Red House - Hendrix Cover > Hocus Pocus - AI > Wipeout - Bug Alley > > Bonus Studio Tracks - > Tele Like It Is > Hocus Pocus (Insanity Mix) > AB, Who's on Bass and Drums? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 24 14:31:59 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:31:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: For Theo, mostly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Hocus Pocus Live - > Red House - Hendrix Cover > Hocus Pocus - AI ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't this be "Hocus Pocus - Focus cover?" Cheers, Paul. obCD: Led Zeppelin, _BBC Sessions_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Feb 24 15:26:13 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Going On's and Queensryche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: bart > >> > >> > Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! >> >> Yeah, what's the deal there ? Being replaced by Nuno Bettencourt ? Might as >> well kiss that band goodbye, if you haven't already :-) > >No shit? Man, that dog don't hunt! Goes to show you anyone can sell >out. When Extreme was in their moment in the sun, Nuno always used >to wax so philosophical about principles etc. But then Extreme >breaks up, his solo record tanks, and voila, Queensryche! I predict >a zero percent probability that this will be fruitful... >theo OK, better cut this off before it gets out of hand.... listen up everyone... Chris left, yes, but the band has not repeat has NOT named a replacement yet...the Nuno thing so far is just a RUMOR.....check http://www.queensryche.com for the latest update. as for "See You In Black" I don't think the CMC guy actually said that they were targeting any specific "brand" of rock radio...he just said the single was going out to radio stations. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 24 15:00:41 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:00:41 EDT Subject: BOC: Going On's and Queensryche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > > > OK, better cut this off before it gets out of hand.... > listen up everyone... Chris left, yes, but the band has not > repeat has NOT named a replacement yet...the Nuno thing > so far is just a RUMOR.....check http://www.queensryche.com > for the latest update. > I wasn't really trying to bash Nuno. I think he's a good guitarist, I just don't see him fitting in with Queensryche, image-wise or musical taste-wise. I'm shocked that CD would leave, esp. after being with the group so long. What does he hope to achieve? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 24 17:26:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:26:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Going On's Message-ID: >First single from Heaven Forbid will be ...See You in Black? Yep - very KEWL IMHO. Some would argue something more radio-friendly like "Harvest Moon" or "Live For Me", but BOC will always be more of a kick-ass band to me than those songs (as great as they are) represent. I think they might make good singles, but C.U.N.(interesting...) Black is to me a fine choice. >John Swartz was in the DC area? Ya must have driven down from Beantown, my people never spotted you at the local airports. Well, the FAQMAN is an elusive individual... ;-) I was at the airports, only briefly though. But, I kept setting off the metal detectors - must have "BOC on the Brain"... ;-) John From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Feb 24 17:48:34 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:48:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Going On's and Queensryche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I wasn't really trying to bash Nuno. I think he's a good guitarist, >I just don't see him fitting in with Queensryche, image-wise or >musical taste-wise. I'm shocked that CD would leave, esp. after >being with the group so long. What does he hope to achieve? >theo oh, I didn't think you were bashing Nuno...I think he's quite talented as well, but like you, I don't see him fitting in with QR...and as for CD, apparently he's been working with Chris Cornell's (Soundgarden) brother....if you look at HITNF, which was largely CD's material, you can see he was headed in a different direction from the rest of the band...Wilton says that everyone else is now involved in the songwriting..they supposedly have worked up about 50% of the material for the new album..rumor has it it's another concept album and that it's very heavy...unfortunately they are also looking for a new deal since EMI's demise (I think we can all sympathise with that!). the QR newsgroup has gone nuts since this happened and the rumors and wishful thinking are all over the place...you should hear the names people are suggesting! by the way AB:....have you gotten Moonflower Lane yet? it just came out today, and so far it sounds pretty good... the contributions from the Galactic Cowboys guys sound pretty good too....and I presume you've heard about Ty's project with the guys from Dream Theater? Ted in the player: Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane Ty Tabor - Naomi's Solar Pumpkin Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray Shadowking BOC - Agents (Gold) Lovemongers - Whirlygig From des at SUPERLINK.NET Tue Feb 24 23:49:08 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:49:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's Message-ID: I forwarded the Queensryche/Nuno Benecort thing to a friend of mine at a radio station and here's his rather spirited reply. Generally speaking I agree with him on this one. Well everyone enjoy. Let the fireworks begin. --Eric --------------------------------------------------------- axl nemetz wrote: > > This sort of narrow-mindedness sickens me! I'm barely a casual fan of > Extreme and Nuno, but I am a hardcore fan of giving artists the latitude to > try any damn thing they want. We don't have to like it, but they _must_ be > allowed to follow their muse wherever it leads. How would Nuno joining > Queensryche be selling out? What's the possible upside of joining a band > whose American label folded 6 months ago and who've arguably been in a > creative rut the better part of this decade? Money? Doubtful. Could it > be... the music!! How about if he's always been a fan of the band and > joined when _they_ asked _him_ to join? Is it written somewhere that just > 'cause Nuno was in a band "like" Extreme doesn't mean he's allowed to be in > a band "like" Queensryche? And sorry to disappoint the keepers of the holy > Queensryche flame, but stylistically both bands covered similar ground after > all, what with the concept albums, big Broadway-style stage shows, and > operatic lead singers. If Nuno's playing with Extreme and solo demonstrated > anything, it's his stylistic versatility (albeit often at the expense of a > unique identity). Was it a sin when Steve Morse played with Deep Purple? > Was it a sin when Joe Satriani backed Mick Jagger on tour? I say "go ahead" > to both. Only playing with the "expected" musicians yields predictable, > "expectable" music, as we all endured in the 80's (with large forgettable > chunks of both hair metal and speed metal) and the 70's too (southern rock). > Jeez, music ought to be about freedom and self-expression, not expectations. > Let 'em all play with whoever they want, and a pox on small-mindedness! > > This turned into venting. >:( Sorry. You can forward this back to the > group, if you think it's worthy and/or if it's appropriate. Thanx!! Later, > dude!! > > At 05:58 PM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Is this true!?? > > > > --EF > > > >> > > >> > Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! > >> > >> Yeah, what's the deal there ? Being replaced by Nuno Bettencourt ? Might as > >> well kiss that band goodbye, if you haven't already :-) > > > >No shit? Man, that dog don't hunt! Goes to show you anyone can sell > >out. When Extreme was in their moment in the sun, Nuno always used > >to wax so philosophical about principles etc. But then Extreme > >breaks up, his solo record tanks, and voila, Queensryche! I predict > >a zero percent probability that this will be fruitful... > >theo > > > > From micci at SCI.FI Wed Feb 25 07:04:20 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:04:20 +0200 Subject: off:Kingston Wall Message-ID: Hi! I now have all three KW reissue cd. Here is more info. All three are douples cd!! bonus tracks (6) on first cd are all live recordings second cd: two song from b-side of We Cannot Move single and one live recording Tri-Logy: two live and one from Stuldt-Hoijt single Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 25 06:53:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:53:36 EDT Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's In-Reply-To: <34F3A2C4.638D@superlink.net> Message-ID: >> From: E F > I forwarded the Queensryche/Nuno Benecort thing to a friend of mine at a > radio station and here's his rather spirited reply. > > Generally speaking I agree with him on this one. > > Well everyone enjoy. Let the fireworks begin. > > --Eric Uh, Eric Next time you forward one of my posts, I'd appreciate it if you asked me first. And I would have appreciated it even more if you'd included my second post saying that I wasn't trying to bash Nuno and that I thought he was a good guitar player. Anyway, I'm not pissed, but I do think that's proper 'net ettiquette. Esp. if you include my name. If you want to forward my stuff, at least delete my name from it. Anyone notice how it's always me in the middle of these flame wars? What the hell's in the water up here? > --------------------------------------------------------- > theo From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Feb 25 08:13:40 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:13:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Uh, Eric >Next time you forward one of my posts, I'd appreciate it if you asked >me first. And I would have appreciated it even more if you'd >included my second post saying that I wasn't trying to bash Nuno and >that I thought he was a good guitar player. Anyway, I'm not pissed, >but I do think that's proper 'net ettiquette. Esp. if you include >my name. If you want to forward my stuff, at least delete my name >from it. Anyone notice how it's always me in the middle of these >flame wars? What the hell's in the water up here? >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >theo gotta agree with that, and I don't think he got what we were putting across...I know _I_ didn't diss either group....I also don't agree with some of the points he made...HITNF might have been a bit dodgy but I'd argue about "Promised Land" being a "stylistic rut"...... and also.....Gary Cherone a "operatic singer?".....hardly.... a very good vocalist, but a little more "rock" than opera. Ted From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Feb 25 09:13:34 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:13:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: TD mailing list? Message-ID: Does anyone know how I can sign up for the Tangerine Dream mailing list? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 25 09:15:37 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:15:37 -0600 Subject: OFF Queensryche Message-ID: >>Random stuff...Chris DiGarmo is gone from Queensryche? Horrors! >> >> Yeah, what's the deal there ? Being replaced by Nuno Bettencourt ? Might as >> well kiss that band goodbye, if you haven't already :-) > >No shit? Man, that dog don't hunt! Goes to show you anyone can sell >out. >oh, I didn't think you were bashing Nuno...I think he's quite talented as well, but like you, I don't see him fitting in with QR... I agree for the most part. On surface this does not appear to be a fit but only a few sessions (records together) would be definitive. Besides, Nuno is a rumor only according to the website I frantically punched up. John Sykes has also been rumored. A new concept album, heavier sound? Mindcrime revisited perhaps. Not a bad move. I'll miss CD, and maybe I am only one of few people who actually LOVE HITNF! I think its a great album. I love this band period as they certainly are not afraid to take chances, mix it up and play what and how they want to play it. Has any Q'ryche album sounded much like the ones that came before it? Starting with Mindcrime, I think not. >OK, better cut this off before it gets out of hand.... >listen up everyone... Chris left, yes, but the band has not >repeat has NOT named a replacement yet...the Nuno thing >so far is just a RUMOR.....check http://www.queensryche.com >for the latest update. Yeah thats the place! >by the way AB:....have you gotten Moonflower Lane yet? it just came out today, and so far it sounds pretty good... the contributions from the Galactic Cowboys guys sound pretty good too....and I presume you've heard about Ty's project with the guys from Dream Theater? Ted never tell me where you live, I'd be over and never leave. No to all of the above. I searched some stores in Dallas frantically last week while there and turned up nada. I'm always five minuttes too late. Met lots of KX fans but not the most important one. Guy owns a CD Wherehouse store and has four copies of NSP which he carries with him! Guy is a Ty lunatic. Had not heard about Ty/DT project, been long time since last KX digest and I don't surf the web much. >John Swartz was in the DC area? Ya must have driven down from Beantown, my people never spotted you at the local airports. >Well, the FAQMAN is an elusive individual... ;-) I was at the airports, only briefly though. But, I kept setting off the metal detectors - must have "BOC on the Brain"... ;-) Ah my people were confused in the commotion then. Good thing my Professional Liability Policy is paid up, KB is suing the hell out of me for the mistake. I'll get you yet Agent Swartz...hehehehehehehehehehe L8er Ghost in The Ruins From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Feb 25 09:36:05 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:36:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's In-Reply-To: <34F3A2C4.638D@superlink.net> from "E F" at Feb 24, 98 11:49:08 pm Message-ID: E F writes: > > I forwarded the Queensryche/Nuno Benecort thing to a friend of mine at a > radio station and here's his rather spirited reply. > > Generally speaking I agree with him on this one. > > Well everyone enjoy. Let the fireworks begin. > > --Eric > --------------------------------------------------------- > > axl nemetz wrote: > > [...] > > joined when _they_ asked _him_ to join? Is it written somewhere that just > > 'cause Nuno was in a band "like" Extreme doesn't mean he's allowed to be in > > a band "like" Queensryche? And sorry to disappoint the keepers of the holy > > Queensryche flame, but stylistically both bands covered similar ground after > > all, what with the concept albums, big Broadway-style stage shows, and > > operatic lead singers. If Nuno's playing with Extreme and solo demonstrated > > anything, it's his stylistic versatility (albeit often at the expense of a Yeah, I agree. I think Nuno's guitar wanking would be the perfect complement to Queensyche's intellectual wanking. ;-) Steve From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 25 09:28:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:28:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Hoey and Focus Message-ID: AB, >Who's on Bass and Drums? >theo Pimp slap me man. I forget already but it is not his normal studio partners. Frankly I never heard of either one of these guys but they play well enough. Initially I thought this might be Gary and MIDI but its a living breathing three piece. Couple of preliminary thoughts: A little dissapointed in the live version of Bert's Lounge, Think he needs a second guitar to make this sound better. Linus & Lucy doesn't come across as the face melter I thought it would. Big surprise on this sucker is The Deep. Man that one comes out real well, the whole band had fun with it. Drummer shines. The Insanity remix of Hocus Pocus is funky, I like it a lot. Red House sounds pretty good, don't know why Gary dosen't sing more often. He also could have saved High -Top Bop; I would have used Stack Attack from the first cd. Now if he really wanted to have some fun he could have thrown in some Heavy Bones material but I doubt if anyone would know where it came from. I'll feed you some more after a threepeat. > Hocus Pocus Live - > Red House - Hendrix Cover > Hocus Pocus - AI ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Shouldn't this be "Hocus Pocus - Focus cover?" >Cheers, >Paul. Yeah it's the Focus song alright, but I was just laying out which studio albums were represented on the live one. Hoey's cover of HC appeared on Animal Instincts, his second solo. Red House, as a cover does not appear on any of his studio songs. Theo BTW, knowing how much you love Ted 8>), the Hammersmith '79 ain't too bad. He stretches most of the songs and rambles a bit too much but I did not know that Ted pulled an Al, three sets in one day! Ted was really wired in those days I can't imagine his high strung antics for three sets. L8er Ghost In The Ruins OBCD - why Hocus Pocus Live, Gary Hoey (Hoey wih Queensryche? There's a thought) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 25 08:53:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:53:01 EDT Subject: OFF: Hoey and Focus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > > Pimp slap me man. I forget already but it is not his normal studio > partners. Frankly I never heard of either one of these guys but they > play well enough. Initially I thought this might be Gary and MIDI but > its a living breathing three piece. Couple of preliminary thoughts: > Slap me too! I can't remember the drummer he's been playing with. Gregg Bisonette? I know Tony Franklin has been playing the 4-string with him, and Tony rules! Gary was doing a solo show for a while, backed by midi gear, sequences etc... > A little dissapointed in the live version of Bert's Lounge, Think he > needs a second guitar to make this sound better. Linus & Lucy doesn't > come across as the face melter I thought it would. Big surprise on this > sucker is The Deep. Man that one comes out real well, the whole band > had fun with it. Drummer shines. The Insanity remix of Hocus Pocus is > funky, I like it a lot. Red House sounds pretty good, don't know why > Gary dosen't sing more often. He also could have saved High -Top Bop; I > would have used Stack Attack from the first cd. Now if he really wanted > to have some fun he could have thrown in some Heavy Bones material but I > doubt if anyone would know where it came from. I'll feed you some more > after a threepeat. > What's the title of the SRV-type song from AI? Texas something or other. That's a classic. Can't believe he didn't include that one... theo From des at SUPERLINK.NET Wed Feb 25 10:24:24 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:24:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > Uh, Eric > Next time you forward one of my posts, I'd appreciate it if you asked > me first. And I would have appreciated it even more if you'd > included my second post saying that I wasn't trying to bash Nuno and > that I thought he was a good guitar player. Anyway, I'm not pissed, > but I do think that's proper 'net ettiquette. Esp. if you include > my name. If you want to forward my stuff, at least delete my name > from it. Anyone notice how it's always me in the middle of these > flame wars? What the hell's in the water up here? > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > theo Theo, My appologese. Actually the reason I had sent him your post was to see if he could shed any light on the rumor of Nuno joining the band. Basically I forwarded it to him because I was too lazy to type up a new message. I wasn't expecting him to write a lecture on it, which I suppose is even more reason that I should have followed proper netiquette. However, I did find his response interesting and felt that as I had shared your message with him I would as well share his message here (I left his name on too and didn't edit his any either --oops?). Anyway, please don't take his comments personally. He was not responding to you as much as he was responding to the universal complaint of "Oh no! why would so and so do such and such?!" As for what's in the water? Well, I don't know about up by you but I'm in NJ, so just take out the Periodic Table of the Elements and check them all off. 8-) Best regards. --Eric PS. He still hasn't mentioned anything to me about the rumor. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 25 09:57:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:57:01 EDT Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's In-Reply-To: <34F437A8.4731@superlink.net> Message-ID: > > Theo, > > My appologese. > Actually the reason I had sent him your post was to see if he could shed > any light on the rumor of Nuno joining the band. Basically I forwarded > it to him because I was too lazy to type up a new message. > I wasn't expecting him to write a lecture on it, which I suppose is even > more reason that I should have followed proper netiquette. > However, I did find his response interesting and felt that as I had > shared your message with him I would as well share his message here (I > left his name on too and didn't edit his any either --oops?). > Anyway, please don't take his comments personally. He was not > responding to you as much as he was responding to the universal > complaint of "Oh no! why would so and so do such and such?!" > No offense, hard fellings, etc. His response was really pretty laid back. > As for what's in the water? Well, I don't know about up by you but I'm > in NJ, so just take out the Periodic Table of the Elements and check > them all off. 8-) > > Best regards. Ours tastes like it must include most all of 'em! > --Eric > > PS. He still hasn't mentioned anything to me about the rumor. > theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Feb 25 12:00:05 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:00:05 EST Subject: OFF: ALIEN PLANETSCAPES NYC 3/26 Message-ID: Alien Planetscapes will be appearing at The Spiral in NYC @ 9PM, 3/26. They should be performing some brand new material. See ya there. regards, Bill Stewart From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Feb 25 18:19:22 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:19:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: TD mailing list? Message-ID: A list of mailing lists (including TD) can be found at: http://www.electronicmusic.com/datafiles/mailinglists/index.html Aaron Crandall -----Original Message----- From: John Majka To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 12:46 PM Subject: OFF: TD mailing list? >Does anyone know how I can sign up for the Tangerine Dream mailing list? >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org > From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Thu Feb 26 03:39:06 1998 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:39:06 +0200 Subject: off:Kingston Wall In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:04:20 +0200." <199802251204.OAA02217@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: Miikka's message dated: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:04:20 +0200 > > I now have all three KW reissue cd. Here is more info. > All three are douples cd!! Yup, me too! The only complainment I have at this point is that they should have included more live stuff. The sound at least on the first bonus CD is OK and there are nasty teasers of other songs (after Purple Haze they go to Red House which is then faded out and I think after Rocky Raccoon (sp?) to Killing Floor and again a fade out a bit later). The only excuse would be to release a live 6CD of these Freak-Out marathons or something. Anyway, it's nice to have at least some material from a great show which I even may have attended. The packaging of these 3 2CD's is quite standard, although with lyrics. Sound is very good. //niko From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 26 07:26:58 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:26:58 -0500 Subject: OFF King's X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: that Ghost guy said: > >Ted never tell me where you live, I'd be over and never leave. No to >all of the above. I searched some stores in Dallas frantically last >week while there and turned up nada. I'm always five minuttes too late. >Met lots of KX fans but not the most important one. Guy owns a CD >Wherehouse store and has four copies of NSP which he carries with him! >Guy is a Ty lunatic. Had not heard about Ty/DT project, been long time >since last KX digest and I don't surf the web much. > hey, you don't scare me! we have MP's to toss unruly people off of military bases ;-) seriously.....this is the info on the Ty/DT thing.. -"Ty has also finished recording with Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger), John Myung and Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater). The band name they have chosen is Platypus. The album title is "When Pus Comes to Shove". It will be released in Europe first, probably before summer with worldwide release shortly after." and about Doug Pinnick's solo album "Doug Pinnick is two weeks from completion of his new solo record that will be released worldwide by early summer." Ty has also recorded some tracks for Gregg Bissonette's solo album, Munetaka Higuchi's (Loudness) album and both of Carmine Appice's "Guitar Zeus" albums....(no, I don't have ANY of them...) oh, and last but not least....Jerry Gaskill has shown up on the KX newsgroup and says he wants to do a solo album too, but no deal yet... as for Moonflower Lane....well, it's pretty cool....very melodic and hooky...I prefer a couple of the original versions that were on NSP, but it's still a great album Ted > >L8er >Ghost in The Ruins From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 26 07:27:41 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:27:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queensryche Rage was BOC Going on's In-Reply-To: <199802251436.JAA08006@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: > >Yeah, I agree. I think Nuno's guitar wanking would be the perfect >complement to Queensyche's intellectual wanking. > >;-) > >Steve "intellectual wanking????!?!??!" D'OH!!!!!!!!! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 26 08:56:17 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:56:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: New England fans take note!! Message-ID: I sent an e-mail to WGIR, "New Hampshire's Rock" yesterday about the new BOC. I got this reply: John, Happy to say we'll be playing the new BOC, in fact we'll be premiering the "See You In Black" single this Sunday night on "Whiplash" our weekly new music/hard rock show. Check it out! Thanks, Rock 101 \ So - tune in to 101.1 on your FM dial Sunday night, 10 to midnite. Also, BOC will be in Baltic, CT (sort of half-way between Hartford and Providence, RI - off of 395) on Saturday, March 14. I'm going to try to make it - hope other New England fans will be there too. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 26 08:11:35 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:11:35 EDT Subject: BOC: New England fans take note!! In-Reply-To: <199802261356.IAA22495@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > I sent an e-mail to WGIR, "New Hampshire's Rock" yesterday about the > new BOC. I got this reply: > > John, > > Happy to say we'll be playing the new BOC, in fact we'll be premiering the > "See You In Black" single this Sunday night on "Whiplash" our weekly new > music/hard rock show. Check it out! > Wow! That's great news! > Also, BOC will be in Baltic, CT (sort of half-way between Hartford and > Providence, RI - off of 395) on Saturday, March 14. I'm going to try to > make it - hope other New England fans will be there too. > Ooh, that's bittersweet. Just far enough away to ensure I can't go. The tour schedule kind of excludes the upstate NY/northern PA area, so looks like I have to wait a while more to see the new stuff. theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 26 14:44:55 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:44:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bike Week Message-ID: I heard that BOC will be at Bike Week in Daytona, but don't know when specifically, or for how long, etc.... does anyone have any info on this? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Feb 26 15:15:15 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:15:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bike Week In-Reply-To: <199802261944.OAA16675@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: >I heard that BOC will be at Bike Week in Daytona, but don't know when >specifically, or for how long, etc.... does anyone have any info on this? > I think the info you want is in this post -------- Subject: because alot of u asked Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 1:08 From: OYSTRBOY Message-id: <19980225010801.UAA07221 at ladder03.news.aol.com> 25 Terre Haute, IN Hoosiers Nite Club 3631 Wabash Ave 812-238-1879 26 Rantoul, IL Soft Tail Lounge 201 E. Grove St. 217-893-0795 27 Pekin, IL Nik's Ivanhoe 121 S. 2nd 309-346-1763 28 Clarksville, TN The Warehouse 20 McClure St. 931-552-7078 01 Daytona Beach Sin City @ The New Marker 849 Bellough Rd. 904-239-0015 02 Bradenton, FL Outerlimits Ent. Corp Inc. 5520 14th St. W. 941-727-2789 "I'd Like to See You in Black" should be at every radio station that might play it...if you are near St. Louis, call KSHE ... From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Feb 26 15:15:43 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:15:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: TD mailing list? Message-ID: Ayup, I do... send email to majordomo at cs.uwp.edu with the body of the message reading subscribe <> tadream Oh, waitaminute! You are already on, as I saw your posts this AM (this is what you get when your dial-in access is down for almost three days!!!) Sorry.... Nevemind... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: John Majka To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 9:22 AM Subject: OFF: TD mailing list? >Does anyone know how I can sign up for the Tangerine Dream mailing list? >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 26 19:19:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:19:20 -0000 Subject: Bike Week Message-ID: On Thursday, February 26, 1998 7:45 PM, Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] wrote: > I heard that BOC will be at Bike Week in Daytona, but don't know when > specifically, or for how long, etc.... does anyone have any info on this? I went to Daytona, back in '87 - it was great! Nice beach! How were the storms? Very Carl Hiaasen! > > > +---------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension > Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension > Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention > aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. > +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random -Andy ObSingles: Madonna - "Frozen", Definition of Sound - "Eccentric" -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 26 22:25:49 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:25:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: Flame wars and Rumors Message-ID: >Anyone notice how it's always me in the middle of these >flame wars? What the hell's in the water up here? >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >theo >gotta agree with that, and I don't think he got what we were putting across...I know _I_ didn't diss either group....I also don't agree with some of the points he made...HITNF might have been a bit dodgy but I'd argue about "Promised Land" being a "stylistic rut"...... and also.....Gary Cherone a "operatic singer?".....hardly.... a very good vocalist, but a little more "rock" than opera. >Ted Two points here. Theo you are always in the middle of these things BECAUSE you always bash Rush, man. 8>) Its punative damges baby, there are just too many Rush fans out there and they are connected in "high places". Besides better you than me. I took it on the chin from the heavy hitters, the "Great Coffee Flame Wars". You're to young (BOC-L wise) to rememeber that one, many innocents were lost in that campaign. Second point relates to Q'ryche. They may not be everbody's cup of tea yet I am hard pressed to name a more misunderstood group. HITNF is not "a bit dodgy" (IMHO of course) its just different from its previous recordings. Does Promise Land sound anything like Empire (One More Time Around notwithstanding)? Does Empire sound much like Mindcrime? Nope. why do people think a band has to stick with a basic formula forever? Want to hear a really far out rumor? OK. Bud of mine on the west coast tells me the buzz is that the replacement for DiGarmo is none other than BUCK! I almost fell out of my chair. This bud is young and in to modern players. Asked me "Isn't that guitarist for that geezer band you like ... Blue Fish something named Buck? I hear Tate wants him to play with them. Sucks man why do they need an old fart like that." {Forgive my young friend, like a some, certainly not all, 20 somethings he has no respect for the metal movement of the 70's} I don't really buy this but I could see Mr. Dharma fit snuggly into this group. Hell if I were Buck and they offered the money I'd do it. L8er Ghost In The Ruins OB Pimp Slap - Fark Theo, I forgot to write down the players on the Hoey Live again. I promise to have it 2/27. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 27 05:52:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:52:41 PST Subject: El Niņo Message-ID: Is anyone suffering from the effects of El Ni?o? More importantly (to me anyway), does anyone know if Colombia, esp. Bogota, is suffering? I've a very good friend living there for a year and I haven't heard from her and this is me panicking and thinking she's been washed away by a massive mudslide. Any information? Chris. Oh, yes, thought on the Queensryche/Chris DiGarmo replacement......................................................................................Alvin Lee. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 27 07:06:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:06:27 EDT Subject: OFF: Flame wars and Rumors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Theo you are always in the middle of these things BECAUSE you always > bash Rush, man. 8>) Its punative damges baby, there are just too many > Rush fans out there and they are connected in "high places". Besides There you go! The wages of sin... > better you than me. I took it on the chin from the heavy hitters, the > "Great Coffee Flame Wars". You're to young (BOC-L wise) to rememeber > that one, many innocents were lost in that campaign. > I think I must have joined right as it was ending. I remember somebody torching you for your -er- analysis of the various physiological changes wrought by different blends of coffee... > Second point relates to Q'ryche. They may not be everbody's cup of tea > yet I am hard pressed to name a more misunderstood group. HITNF is not > "a bit dodgy" (IMHO of course) its just different from its previous > recordings. Does Promise Land sound anything like Empire (One More Time > Around notwithstanding)? Does Empire sound much like Mindcrime? Nope. > why do people think a band has to stick with a basic formula forever? > Always liked them, believe it or not, though I never did get the last one. Thought Rage for Order was fantastic, as was Mindcrime. after that, they seemed to lose their edge a bit. I thought the long interval bet. Mindcrime and Empire hurt the band, IMHO... > Want to hear a really far out rumor? OK. Bud of mine on the west coast > tells me the buzz is that the replacement for DiGarmo is none other than > BUCK! I almost fell out of my chair. This bud is young and in to > modern players. Asked me "Isn't that guitarist for that geezer band you > like ... Blue Fish something named Buck? I hear Tate wants him to play > with them. Sucks man why do they need an old fart like that." {Forgive > my young friend, like a some, certainly not all, 20 somethings he has no > respect for the metal movement of the 70's} I don't really buy this but > I could see Mr. Dharma fit snuggly into this group. Hell if I were Buck > and they offered the money I'd do it. > This can't possibly be serious, but I actually thing BD would work with the band. But really, seeing as how BOC has finally put out a new record, this wouldn't be the time for BD to bail. Regarding younger fans, there are a lot of young folks on this list, and they are very knowledgeable and enthusiastic about BOC and other dino-bands. In fact, most of the members of the various geezer band lists I'm on are kids. Looks good for the younger generation! theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 27 10:22:30 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:22:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Atlanta area members only! Prog weekend starts today @ 1500. Message-ID: Sorry to bother all of you other folks out there, but there is another edition of the "Partly Pink (Floyd), Purely Progressive" starting today at 1500 on Z93 (92.9). Even though I have 80% of the stuff that they play, it is still cool to hear it on the radio... As this is crossposted to several lists, I'll try and make it specific to those that are getting this... Tangerine Dream; they generally play a heaping helping of the TANGENTS material (I counted 8 tracks last time around). And they mention TD on their homepage! Camel; haven't heard anything by them, but who knows??? BOC/Hawkwind; no HW so far, but I think I heard a BOC standard or two... Ozrics & Porcupine Tree; I wish... Again, I apologize to all of you out there getting Spammed by this or who can't listen in... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Feb 27 12:53:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:53:00 +0000 Subject: business hawkwind (was chrome tour - or so...) In-Reply-To: stalker's mail of Mon, 16 Feb 98 03:05 +0100 Message-ID: On 16 Feb 02:05, stalker wrote: > the bleeding business trip... > there is absolutely NO excuse for putting out an album like The Business > Trip - (Live album) -- > apart from being just a rotten album musically Lots of people here like it. > they are RIPPING OFF a > (read: some) former band member(s) - i.e. Mr. Robert Calvert / N. Turner > - in an absolutely despicable manner. Also Simon King. > but...who REALLY believes that these false credits were an accident... > there were just too many of them I saw three: "Do That" - arguably Nik should have been credited, but this was only the chorus of "You Shouldn't Do That" (so they didn't use the lyrics), and the music was substantially reworked. (IIRC, Nik was playing similar tricks with songwriting credits around this time; I believe Dave and Nik have since sorted this out). "The Dream Goes On" - this is pretty obviously "The Iron Dream". It's been reworked, but IMO it should have been credited to Simon King. "This Future" - the music has been heavily reworked, but the lyrics are the same. I assume that Bob wrote the lyrics, in which case he should have been credited IMO. > - and too well organized. (be sure that > no one of the Calvert family EVER saw a penny of the royalties) I think you're exaggerating -- presumably they get the royalties from the correctly credited QS&C and The Right Stuff. > I am not writing this because I am a born again Calvertian - but its > just an obvious fact that the band never again had > a single innovative moment since Calvert left the band - You contradict yourself. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782