From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Dec 1 01:58:48 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:58:48 +0900 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:45:00 +0000, Rich Lockwood > wrote: > > >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > > keyboards, analog synthesizers & electronics, violin, bass guitar ... > > ... and if there was anyone on the list from the SF Bay Area, I'd say to > come on down to the Bottom of the Hill next monday night (December 7th) > when Primordial Undermind (in which i play violin) opens for Farflung ... Ah my keyboards would love to join in. Maybe by cyberspace from Tokyo! Dave From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 1 02:36:20 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:36:20 -0700 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Rich Lockwood writes: > > > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > I sing in the bath 8-) > jill I play air guitar, steering wheel drums, and dashkeyboards. I also manage to murder large amounts of progressive rock vocals by singing with it. :) :) :) I also manage to sing with instrumentals. :) :) :) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace How many of us have the ability to record to disc. i'm thinking of a more creative version of the tape ring here. Dave From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Dec 1 05:18:53 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:18:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: test From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 1 05:24:48 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:48 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Nov 1998 to 1 Dec 1998 In-Reply-To: <199812011000.FAA09523@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > >Cheers, > >Rich. > My turn; I play the fool, act the loon and dance like a chicken with dynamite up it's ass !!! Apart from that I write lyrics/poetry and do vocals and backing. The guys in the band allow me a keyboard which occasionally makes weep-weep type noises, but is more for me to hide behind than anything else :) Anyone who wishes to witness this madness we call music is welcome to the Victoria in Derby on Dec 13th, we have arranged a 'special guest' appearence by Mr Dibbs, who has promised to make it this time. He will be tinkling along on his Roland, I want him to bring the bass along, ya never know. Later. Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Dec 1 07:22:34 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:22:34 +0000 Subject: musicians Message-ID: Now there's an idea - I'm feeling a BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY version of Urban Guerilla coming on... Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga shhhhwwwwoooowwwweeeeooooo Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga shhhhwwwwoooowwwweeeeooooo Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga Blanga... :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Earthworms are made entirely of smoked fish and lemon juice ** > How many of us have the ability to record to disc. i'm thinking of a > more creative version of the tape ring here. > > Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 1 07:19:17 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:19:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <199811302034.PAA22148@xenon> Message-ID: In article <199811302034.PAA22148 at xenon>, Marc Power writes >> > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? >> > Cheers, >> > Rich. > >Guilty as charged. mea culpa, supported Nik once at the Clarendon. Which was nice. -- Jon From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Tue Dec 1 09:31:02 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:31:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Musicians Message-ID: Rich Lockwood ha scritto: > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > > Cheers, > > I used to play bass with a lot of bands since 1985, raging from psychedelia to death metal, now i'm collaborating, especially alive, with Narcolexia, a band which has the first CD out for B.M.G.. We play a kind of cyber-techno-punk. Bass, keyboards and industrial percussions are subjected to my unskillness. Massimo. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 1 09:58:43 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:58:43 -0800 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? Lets see, I play a lot of stuff, depends on what band we're covering... When its King's X/Galactic Cowboys stuff - Air bass Savatage/Triumph/Siagon Kick/Gary Hoey - Air Guitar BOC Music - guitar/bass and for certain songs drums Hawkwind - I usually do Brock's parts I also do lead vocals on all songs...I got it like that. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD's at work today - Magnum - Wings of Heaven Velvet Hammer - Live From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Tue Dec 1 10:12:16 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:12:16 +0300 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > > Y'know, I'm starting to suspect that the real question is how many people on > BOC-L AREN'T musicians...:-) I play guitar, keyboards, saxophone, and > anything else I can get my hands on. :-) I play bass guita, keyboards and also do vocals in two progressive metal bands in Russia. :) Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 1 10:38:13 1998 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (~ Hogard) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:38:13 PST Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? I'm a bass player. Does that count? Hogard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Tue Dec 1 11:57:14 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:57:14 +0100 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: Dmitri Lapitski ha scritto: > Steven Tice wrote: > > > > Y'know, I'm starting to suspect that the real question is how many people on > > BOC-L AREN'T musicians...:-) I play guitar, keyboards, saxophone, and > > anything else I can get my hands on. :-) > > I play bass guita, keyboards and also do vocals in two progressive metal > bands in Russia. :) > > Dmitri > > -- > The immoral majority play bass, it seems. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Wed Dec 2 18:19:25 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:19:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Musicians Message-ID: I play a pretty mean guitar (both acoustic and electric) but recently took up bass for a change of pace-I find it's lots more fun to play!!! Harley John -----Original Message----- From: Massimo Rippa To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:35 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Musicians >Rich Lockwood ha scritto: > >> Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? >> >> Cheers, >> >> > >I used to play bass with a lot of bands since 1985, raging from psychedelia >to death metal, now i'm collaborating, especially alive, with Narcolexia, a >band which has the first CD out for B.M.G.. We play a kind of >cyber-techno-punk. >Bass, keyboards and industrial percussions are subjected to my unskillness. > >Massimo. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Dec 1 21:02:34 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:02:34 +1000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: At 04:45 PM 11/30/98 +0000, you wrote: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > >Cheers, > >Rich. Guitar and vox, though I haven't played in a band for about four years now. And on a sadder note (no pun intended), I'm currently psyching up to sell some gear since I can't see myself getting back into it in a big way, and since I could really use the cash to help pay off the new motorbike. It remains to be seen if I can give up smoking though. Pete. ~~:d ObCD: Badfinger - Straight Up *************************************************************************** Peter Sondergeld Email. p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris **************************************** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 2 04:20:12 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:20:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: > OBCD's at work today - Magnum - Wings of Heaven > Respect - visit A Storyteller's Night, at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717/mag.html (Although some of the code appears to have been corrupted and I'm too busy to sort it out...) Cheers, Rich. ** On the ninth day, God created those little plastic bits in plugs ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 2 04:22:49 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:22:49 +0000 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: > The immoral majority play bass, it seems. Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide version of Big Bottoms... :-) Cheers, Rich. ** King Henry VI invented grindcore, space rock, and Bananarama ** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 2 08:55:56 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:55:56 -0500 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: >> The immoral majority play bass, it seems. > Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide version of Big Bottoms... COOL! I actually have the TAB for this (published in a 1984 issue of Guitar World). John From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 2 09:23:11 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:23:11 +0000 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >> The immoral majority play bass, it seems. > > > Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide version > of > Big Bottoms... > > COOL! I actually have the TAB for this (published in a 1984 issue of > Guitar World). > > John OK - can you post a copy? I'll see if I can get someone to work on a drum track - anyone interested in playing along, mail me on richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk with your postal address and a blank tape, and once the drums are sorted, I'll try and get a tape out! (Some stamps would help too!) Cheers, Rich. ** German tabby cats are experts at dismembering lightbulbs ** From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Dec 2 09:41:11 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:41:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Was Musicians on BOC-L, now... ? In-Reply-To: <36654D4E.92994721@geocities.com> Message-ID: At 02:23 PM 12/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >John A Swartz wrote: > >> >> The immoral majority play bass, it seems. >> >> > Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide version >> of >> Big Bottoms... >> >> COOL! I actually have the TAB for this (published in a 1984 issue of >> Guitar World). >> >> John > > OK - can you post a copy? I'll see if I can get someone to work on a >drum track - anyone interested in playing along, mail me on >richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk with your postal address and a blank tape, >and once the drums are sorted, I'll try and get a tape out! (Some >stamps would help too!) The list could call itself the Bass Orchestra, w/ the tape title "The Bass Orchestra plays Montovani (cross out that word and write Big Bottoms in scrawled letter on top of it)" Heh. Resisting the dark power of the 4 String'd Beast, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 2 09:41:04 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:41:04 +0000 Subject: Big Bottoms Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >> The immoral majority play bass, it seems. > > > Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide version > of > Big Bottoms... > > COOL! I actually have the TAB for this (published in a 1984 issue of > Guitar World). > > John > OK - can you post a copy? I'll see if I can get someone to work on a >drum track - anyone interested in playing along, mail me on >richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk with your postal address and a blank tape, >and once the drums are sorted, I'll try and get a tape out! (Some >stamps would help too!) I'll try that again. Email me to say that you're interested, I'll email you my postal address, then you can send a tape and stamps, I'll send you the tape back, then you can get working. That's what you get for going to the pub for three pints of London Pride for lunch. Cheers, Rich. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 2 10:12:51 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:12:51 +0000 Subject: Big Bottoms Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote: > John A Swartz wrote: > > > >> The immoral majority play bass, it seems. > > > > > Mm. Me too. Maybe we can all work together on a worldwide > version > > of > > Big Bottoms... > > > > COOL! I actually have the TAB for this (published in a 1984 issue > of > > Guitar World). > > > > John > > > OK - can you post a copy? I'll see if I can get someone to work > on > a > >drum track - anyone interested in playing along, mail me on > >richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk with your postal address and a blank tape, > > >and once the drums are sorted, I'll try and get a tape out! (Some > >stamps would help too!) > > I'll try that again. Email me to say that you're interested, I'll > email > you my postal address, then you can send a tape and stamps, I'll send > you the tape back, then you can get working. > > That's what you get for going to the pub for three pints of London > Pride > for lunch. > > Cheers, > > Rich. OK - got a midi now... Cheers, Rich. From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 2 10:22:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:22:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: Magnum, thanks Rich Message-ID: >Rich Lockwood Subject: Re: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! > OBCD's at work today - Magnum - Wings of Heaven > > Respect - visit A Storyteller's Night, at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717/mag.html (Although some of the code appears to have been corrupted and I'm too busy to sort it out...) >Cheers, >Rich. Thanks much Rich for the info, nice page BTW. Wings is the only CD I have by them. I once saw the Last Dance Double live but wasn't sure it was the same band. No one I've talked to had even heard of these guys. Ghost in the Ruins (AKA the best air bass player on BOC-L hehehehe) OBCD's at work today (better use the headphones) Monster Magnets - Powertrip Gov't Mule Live at the Roseland Ballroom Black Sabbath - Sabotage (all time fave Sab album, only one I have on cd too) Rush - Roll The Bones. (Gonna make a bigger effort to listen and understand some modern Rush music. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 2 16:31:07 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:31:07 -0000 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: Guitar, (bad) vocals, synth and sequencer me. About the original tape/disc ring, how about a Web site using RealAudio or MP3 - saves a lot of postage, CDs that don't burn or play properly etc? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Dmitri Lapitski To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Musicians on BOC-L >Steven Tice wrote: >> >> Y'know, I'm starting to suspect that the real question is how many people on >> BOC-L AREN'T musicians...:-) I play guitar, keyboards, saxophone, and >> anything else I can get my hands on. :-) > >I play bass guita, keyboards and also do vocals in two progressive metal >bands in Russia. :) > >Dmitri > >-- >Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: >http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ >Cyber Design Pro: >http://www.internet.msk.ru > From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Dec 3 05:00:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:00:00 GMT Subject: HW: Compiling Live tr Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-03 10:00 >> Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? >> >> The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't recall >> the date) >Which tracks are from which years? I remember thinking way back that >the later ones were one of the Hammersmith '88 gigs. >FoFP For what its worth, I made a crappy audience tape of the winter 88 Hammersmith gig (lo-fi sound on the tape but a nice memento). Anyway, having heard that the Undisclosed might be the same gig, I made some comparisons. There are major differences, especially in the vocal departement. The bridge between Ejection and Motorway City is different (OK, this could be a simple edit) but I can't make out the idle strumming of Dave's guitar at the beginning of MC on my tape. Then there is a bit where Harvey goes totally AWOL on the keyboards towards the guitar solo in the same track. Its difficult to tell but I can't make that out with confidence in my tape. Then during the chant of "Motorway City" before the guitar solo starts, Dave adlibs a bit on TUF but on my tape that is totally absent. Also, at the fade out of the track, on TUF, Dave says "Motorway City" which is absent on my tape. Onto Heads and things continue to go differently. Dave's singing of the intro is completely different and then the whispered "Necromancer in a jar" at the end of the track is missing on my tape. The bridge into Angels of Death is slightly different and then the opening vocal lines are again, sung in a completely different way between the two recordings. There was some other big difference in this track which I can't remember off hand. Anyway, given that TUF can't be '89 anyway, if the Hammersmith gig (14th Dec.?) is the basis of the CD, then they have probably used a few instrumental lines and redone a lot of the vocals. Comments? Mark From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 3 05:21:09 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:21:09 +0000 Subject: Magnum In-Reply-To: <199812031000.FAA17584@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >> Respect - visit A Storyteller's Night, at >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717/mag.html >(Although some of the code appears to have been corrupted and I'm too >busy to sort it out...) > >Thanks much Rich for the info, nice page BTW. Wings is the only CD I have >by them. I once saw the Last Dance Double live but wasn't sure it was the >same band. No one I've talked to had even heard of these guys. > >Ghost in the Ruins (AKA the best air bass player on BOC-L hehehehe) > I've heard of them, I've got about 5 albums ATM, Storyteller, Chase The Dragon, Wings, Kingdom of Madness, Goodnight LA, Eleventh Hour, may be more but that's all I can remember. I've been listenenig to them for about 10 years ago when I heard Kingdom of Madness. Saw them live in Cambridge about 3 years ago when a friend won 2 tickets in a local paper. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 06:42:36 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:42:36 GMT Subject: HW: Compiling Live tr In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:00:00 GMT Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-12-03 10:00 > > >> Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? > >> > >> The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't > recall > >> the date) > > >Which tracks are from which years? I remember thinking way back that > >the later ones were one of the Hammersmith '88 gigs. > >FoFP > > For what its worth, I made a crappy audience tape of the winter 88 > Hammersmith gig (lo-fi sound on the tape but a nice memento). Anyway, having > heard that the Undisclosed might be the same gig, I made some comparisons. > > There are major differences, especially in the vocal departement. > > The bridge between Ejection and Motorway City is different (OK, this could > be a simple edit) but I can't make out the idle strumming of Dave's guitar > at the beginning of MC on my tape. Then there is a bit where Harvey goes > totally AWOL on the keyboards towards the guitar solo in the same track. Its > difficult to tell but I can't make that out with confidence in my tape. Then > during the chant of "Motorway City" before the guitar solo starts, Dave > adlibs a bit on TUF but on my tape that is totally absent. Also, at the fade > out of the track, on TUF, Dave says "Motorway City" which is absent on my > tape. > > Onto Heads and things continue to go differently. Dave's singing of the > intro is completely different and then the whispered "Necromancer in a jar" > at the end of the track is missing on my tape. > The bridge into Angels of Death is slightly different and then the opening > vocal lines are again, sung in a completely different way between the two > recordings. There was some other big difference in this track which I can't > remember off hand. > > Anyway, given that TUF can't be '89 anyway, if the Hammersmith gig (14th > Dec.?) is the basis of the CD, then they have probably used a few > instrumental lines and redone a lot of the vocals. > > Comments? It looks like it's not the Hammersmith gig. It was probably another gig on the same tour. FoFP From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Dec 3 07:24:44 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:24:44 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Compiling Live tr Message-ID: Hello >> Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? >> >> The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't >>recall the date) I have got most of the Nov/Dec gigs on tape (incl the Hammersmith one) The 1988 tracks from the UNDISCLOSED FILES are NOT from theses gigs. I am very sure! Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 07:36:21 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:36:21 GMT Subject: AW: HW: Compiling Live tr In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:24:44 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > Hello > > > >> Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? > >> > >> The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't > >>recall the date) > > I have got most of the Nov/Dec gigs on tape (incl the Hammersmith one) > The 1988 tracks from the UNDISCLOSED FILES are NOT from theses gigs. I am > very sure! Are you saying that they're not from the 1988 tour or that they're from one of the gigs that you don't have on tape? > Bernhard FoFP From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 09:12:30 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:12:30 +0000 Subject: Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do I get off the mailing list? I won't have access to a computer for a month or so, and I could do without having 2000 or so messages to go through when I get back. As I don't have time to read every single one, could someone e-mail m e personally with details? Cheers. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Dec 3 09:12:19 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:12:19 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: HW: Compiling Live tr Message-ID: >(...)or that they're from one of the gigs that you don't have on tape? Thats it The tracks are from Nov/Dec 1988 but not on the tapes I have from this tour Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 09:18:17 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:18:17 GMT Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files Message-ID: So to sum up the discussion our conclusion is the following? Which year is MotU from? Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) ----------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Orgone Accumulator 27.11.84 Sheffield University Sonic Attack 27.11.84 Sheffield University Watching The Grass Grow 27.11.84 Sheffield University Curse of Man 27.11.84 Sheffield University Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? ? Ghost Dance [CD] 27.11.84 Sheffield University Coded Languages [LP] ??.??.82 ? ? Coded Languages [CD] ??.??.82 ? ? Ejection late.88 ? ? Motorway City late.88 ? ? Dragons and Fables late.88 ? ? Heads late.88 ? ? Angels of Death late.88 ? ? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 09:23:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:23:12 GMT Subject: Weird tapes & dates Message-ID: Trying to put these in order now. Does anyone have info or guesses as to which tours the missing tracks are from or which are simply studio tracks? Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Over the Top 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? Magnu ? ? ? Angels of Life ? ? ? Freefall 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? Death Trap 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? The War ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Quark,Strangeness&Charm ??.03.78 USA Masters of the Universe ? ? ? Welcome to the Future ? ? ? Spirit of the Age ??.03.78 Chicago Sonic Attack ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] --------------------- Original has "Hawkwind Roadies Erecting Scenery" cover. Label says band is "The Hawks", credit goes to "Bob and the Hawks" Rereleased in various covers and with various titles, "Live and Buzzing", "Alive and Kicking" and "Live at Stonehenge". Bootleg of Weird 103 tape. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE High Rise 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival Damnation Alley 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival Uncle Sam's on Mars 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival Robot 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival Cake Out 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival Circles 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival Elements 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival Slap it on de Table ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- W104 - Hawklords Live 23.11.1978 Cass. Plymouth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 ---------------------------- There were two versions of this tape released, the second being released when the earlier one was withdrawn. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE (a) Flying Doctor ? ? ? Back on the Streets ? ? ? Paranoia ? ? ? Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? Back on the Streets ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? Steppenwolf ? ? ? Where are they Now? ? ? ? (b) Back on the Streets ? ? ? Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Wind of Change ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? Steppenwolf ? ? ? Where are they Now? ? ? ? Clues: - 05.10.76 London - ??.06.77 XXXXX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Born To Go Greasy Truckers Party Master of the Universe Greasy Truckers Party Jam ? ? ? Hurry on Sundown Text of Festival Came Home ? ? ? We Do It Text of Festival Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Space is Deep Space Ritual Live and Let Live ? ? ? Etchanatae ? ? ? Dreaming Text of Festival Shouldn't Do That Text of Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 3 11:17:29 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:17:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: <199812031418.OAA10228@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there At 14:18 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >So to sum up the discussion our conclusion is the following? >Which year is MotU from? Winter 1988 >Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) >----------------- >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Orgone Accumulator 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Sonic Attack 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Watching The Grass Grow 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Curse of Man 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Ghost Dance [CD] 27.11.84 Sheffield University These tracks are all from Sheffiel Uni, 27.11.1984 >Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? ? >Coded Languages [LP] ??.??.82 ? ? >Coded Languages [CD] ??.??.82 ? ? >Ejection late.88 ? ? >Motorway City late.88 ? ? >Dragons and Fables late.88 ? ? >Heads late.88 ? ? >Angels of Death late.88 ? ? These tracks are ALL from Nov/Dec 1988 !!!!! 1982 for Coded Languages is wrong! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 3 11:25:34 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:34 +0100 Subject: Weird tapes & dates In-Reply-To: <199812031423.OAA11898@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi again At 14:23 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock All tracks are from Barnstaple, Queensway Hall, 23.12.1977 >Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE >Quark,Strangeness&Charm ??.03.78 USA >Masters of the Universe ? ? ? >Welcome to the Future ? ? ? >Spirit of the Age ??.03.78 Chicago >Sonic Attack ? ? ? I think that all tracks are from Stonehenge, 22.06.1977 >Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >High Rise 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Damnation Alley 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Uncle Sam's on Mars 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Robot 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Cake Out 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >Circles 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >Elements 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >Slap it on de Table ? ? ? I agree >W104 - Hawklords Live 23.11.1978 Cass. Plymouth I agree >Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE >Flying Doctor ? ? ? No idea >Back on the Streets ? ? ? >Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? >Back on the Streets ? ? ? London 05.10.1976 >Assassins of Allah ? ? ? >Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? >Steppenwolf ? ? ? London Roundhouse, 27.02.1977 >Where are they Now? ? ? ? No idea >Back on the Streets ? ? ? >Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? London, 05.10.1976 >Brainstorm ? ? ? >Wind of Change ? ? ? >Assassins of Allah ? ? ? >Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? >Steppenwolf ? ? ? London Roundhouse, 27.02.1977 >Where are they Now? ? ? ? No idea Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 11:41:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:41:28 GMT Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:17:29 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > At 14:18 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: > >So to sum up the discussion our conclusion is the following? > > >Which year is MotU from? > Winter 1988 > > > >Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) > >----------------- > > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >Orgone Accumulator 27.11.84 Sheffield University > >Sonic Attack 27.11.84 Sheffield University > >Watching The Grass Grow 27.11.84 Sheffield University > >Curse of Man 27.11.84 Sheffield University > >Ghost Dance [CD] 27.11.84 Sheffield University > > These tracks are all from Sheffiel Uni, 27.11.1984 > > > > > >Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? ? > >Coded Languages [LP] ??.??.82 ? ? > >Coded Languages [CD] ??.??.82 ? ? > >Ejection late.88 ? ? > >Motorway City late.88 ? ? > >Dragons and Fables late.88 ? ? > >Heads late.88 ? ? > >Angels of Death late.88 ? ? > > These tracks are ALL from Nov/Dec 1988 !!!!! > 1982 for Coded Languages is wrong! I got that date from Chris Sutton. > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 11:49:02 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:49:02 GMT Subject: Weird tapes & dates In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi again > > At 14:23 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: > >Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock > > All tracks are from Barnstaple, Queensway Hall, 23.12.1977 Presumably "The War" isn't. Is that a Brock Demo like the rest of side B of the tape? > >Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Quark,Strangeness&Charm ??.03.78 USA > >Masters of the Universe ? ? ? > >Welcome to the Future ? ? ? > >Spirit of the Age ??.03.78 Chicago > >Sonic Attack ? ? ? > > I think that all tracks are from Stonehenge, 22.06.1977 I'd wondered if that was the case, they certainly sound closer to that year than 1978. I think Chris Sutton had said that he'd got info from the band that those two tracks were from the US Hawklords tour. > >Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >High Rise 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival > >Damnation Alley 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival > >Uncle Sam's on Mars 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival > >Robot 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival > >Cake Out 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival > >Circles 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival > >Elements 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival > >Slap it on de Table ? ? ? > > I agree Any idea where "Slap it on ..." might have appeared from? > > >Where are they Now? ? ? ? > > No idea I suspect this is actually a Brock demo. I've pestered him occasionally to do a full length version of the track but no luck so far. > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 12:39:33 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:39:33 GMT Subject: Live : Zones & Stonehenge Message-ID: Does anyone know which tracks are from when? Zones (Flicknife 1983) ----- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Zones Dangerous Vision ? ? ? Running Through... ? ? ? The Island ? ? ? Motorway City ? ? ? Utopia 84 ? ? ? Social Alliance ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Dream Worker ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Clues: - 18.12.80 London - 31.10.82 Bristol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) ---------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Psy Power ? ? ? Levitation ? ? ? Circles ? ? ? Space Chase ? ? ? Death Trap ? ? ? Angels Of Death ? ? ? Shot Down In The Night ? ? ? Stonehenge Decoded ? ? ? Watching The Grass Grow ? ? ? Clues: - 18.12.80 London - 31.10.82 Bristol - 21.06.84 Stonehenge From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Dec 3 12:19:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:19:00 GMT Subject: OFF: John Swartz you' Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-03 17:19 >Well, at the risk of pro-longing a thread with my name all over it... ;-) >I'm no pro, but I do play a little bass guitar. I also used to play French >Horn and Saxophone in high school, and was the organist for my church as >well. But, my main ax is air guitar... ;-) >John Well I learnt to play the guitar by working out Hawkwind riffs (I learnt 3 chords from that and one rhythm pattern ;-) but not wishing to blow my own trumpet, I have 30 years classical piano under my belt. Mark From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 3 14:09:25 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:09:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Gee, another comp. Message-ID: Hi Folks.. Dunno if this has been mentioned here before, but yesterday I saw a 'new' 2CD compilation from Castle entitled simply "Anthology." It has nice packaging, but of course, most of the material smells of 'Acid Daze' reworked one more time. Disc 2 also contained seven or eight other selections, mostly studio tracks from albums of the 80's and 90's IIRC. I know Gimme Shelter from It's the biz... was one. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Markus James - Spirit Gate From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 3 14:06:28 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:06:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Undisclosed Files In-Reply-To: <199812031641.QAA04118@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:41 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >> These tracks are ALL from Nov/Dec 1988 !!!!! >> 1982 for Coded Languages is wrong! > >I got that date from Chris Sutton. I am sorry but this is a WRONG info. Listen again to both tracks and you will notice the following: - no Turner voice there - no sax there - typical 1988 sound - they only played 1988 MOTU and CL after another From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 3 14:10:45 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:10:45 +0100 Subject: Weird tapes & dates In-Reply-To: <199812031649.QAA06565@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:49 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >Presumably "The War" isn't. I agree >I'd wondered if that was the case, they certainly sound closer to that >year than 1978. I think Chris Sutton had said that he'd got info from >the band that those two tracks were from the US Hawklords tour. I do not believe that they played QUARK in 1978. QUARK was played only in Reading 1977 and I suppose at Stonehenge 1977 >Any idea where "Slap it on ..." might have appeared from? Maybe a studio session or a warmup ? >I suspect this is actually a Brock demo. It sounds like a demo (from 1976 ??) I agree Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 3 14:26:38 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:26:38 +0100 Subject: Live : Zones & Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <199812031739.RAA22878@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:39 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know which tracks are from when? >Zones (Flicknife 1983) >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Zones No idea (from 1982 I suppose) >Dangerous Vision ? ? ? December 1980 >Running Through... ? ? ? No idea >The Island ? ? ? >Motorway City ? ? ? December 1980 (Maybe London) >Utopia 84 ? ? ? >Social Alliance ? ? ? >Sonic Attack ? ? ? >Dream Worker ? ? ? >Brainstorm ? ? ? October 1982 (Maybe Bristol) >Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) >---------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Psy Power ? ? ? >Levitation ? ? ? >Circles ? ? ? >Space Chase ? ? ? >Death Trap ? ? ? >Angels Of Death ? ? ? >Shot Down In The Night ? ? ? 18.12.80 London, Levisham Odeon. I am 100% sure! >Stonehenge Decoded ? ? ? >Watching The Grass Grow ? ? ? 21.06.84 Stonehenge From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 3 14:27:49 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:27:49 GMT Subject: HW: Gee, another comp. In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:09:25 -0500 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Hi Folks.. > > Dunno if this has been mentioned here before, but yesterday I saw a 'new' > 2CD compilation from Castle entitled simply "Anthology." It has nice > packaging, but of course, most of the material smells of 'Acid Daze' > reworked one more time. Disc 2 also contained seven or eight other > selections, mostly studio tracks from albums of the 80's and 90's IIRC. I > know Gimme Shelter from It's the biz... was one. I've added this to the latest version of the Codex if anyone wants to find out what's on it. FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 3 21:56:28 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:56:28 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: Man 1999 Party Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just picked up a live Man CD from the 1999 Party Tour with HW. My feeling is that this is recorded at the same gig as last year's HW 1999 Party release...i.e., the Chicago Auditorium on March 21, 1974. And that seems to be confirmed by the liner notes in the booklet. But then it says 'Live in Chicago, April 1974' on the cover. And on the back cover of the booklet, there's a picture of a backstage pass that says, 'Hawkwind & Man' April 8, 1974 Orpheum. So what's the deal on that?? I can't see them doing two shows in the same city just three weeks apart. Perhaps this was the originally scheduled date (?) and so they had things like backstage passes made up with this other date. But of course, that would have meant that they actually did the tour *earlier* than was originally intended, and that just can't be! :) The other alternative (perhaps more likely) is that the Orpheum is a theatre in a different city and these people who did the cover were just confused. Anyway, it's pretty damn good...the sound may even be better than the HW set. Very clean. There's five tracks (7171-551, Romain, It's a hard way to live, C'mon, and Spunk Rock) totalling 60 minutes, the highlight (for me) being the 24 minute psychedelic jam that is 'C'mon'. It's on Point records (1997) somewhere in Europe. Never heard of them before. That's all...Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I think it's obligatory to listen to the respective Man and HW 1999 Party CDs back to back (in that order), with perhaps an hour break in between, during which you sit in a smoke-filled room with an empty gaze and spill beer on the floor. ObCD: Berg Herzburg comp. (1998) - more excellent Man (as well as Love in Space and other goodies) From vince-l at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 3 22:15:52 1998 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:15:52 -0500 Subject: HW:/OFF: Man 1999 Party Message-ID: >Hi Folks... > >I just picked up a live Man CD from the 1999 Party Tour with HW. My feeling >is that this is recorded at the same gig as last year's HW 1999 Party >release...i.e., the Chicago Auditorium on March 21, 1974. And that seems to >be confirmed by the liner notes in the booklet. But then it says 'Live in >Chicago, April 1974' on the cover. And on the back cover of the booklet, >there's a picture of a backstage pass that says, 'Hawkwind & Man' April 8, >1974 Orpheum. > >So what's the deal on that?? I believe April 8, 1974 was at the Orpheum Theater in Boston. I was there....not that I can remember much from that night ;-)) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Dec 4 03:58:01 1998 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:58:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <4B9D351B17@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? I tried to one once, but never succeded. Bought a bass-guitar, grew long hair, got a tattoo, started a band. But the magic never came...;-( Lemmy still remains god --BArt From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 4 04:38:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:38:14 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Man 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <199812040256.VAA21626@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > I just picked up a live Man CD from the 1999 Party Tour with HW. > My feeling > is that this is recorded at the same gig as last year's HW 1999 Party > release...i.e., the Chicago Auditorium on March 21, 1974. And > that seems to > be confirmed by the liner notes in the booklet. But then it says 'Live in > Chicago, April 1974' on the cover. And on the back cover of the booklet, > there's a picture of a backstage pass that says, 'Hawkwind & Man' April 8, > 1974 Orpheum. I'm pretty sure it's the same show, but someone got the date wrong. I like the ad-lib before "Romain"! They had some copies on sale at the recent Astoria show, labelled "remaster", which seemed a bit premature... also remasters of several other albums, including _The Twang Dynasty_. But after buying the _1998 at the Star Club_ album and a sweatshirt (because it was quite chilly in there!) I was pretty much cleaned out of cash... they also had a rather desirable CD of the Man tracks from the Greasy Truckers, which would be worth getting sometime for an excellent "Spunk Rock". - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 4 09:51:00 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:51:00 EST Subject: HW: Buskers LP/Pinkwind LP Message-ID: 1. Various (feat D Brock??) Buskers LP RCA LSP 4426 USA 70 ex/ex co $10 2. Pinkwind Festival of the sun LP Twink TWK LP 3 UK 95 S/S $15 domestica at one.se This guy has a couple of albums I thought someone here might want. He seems to be not sure if the Buskers LP has Brock. I have no clue. Also, this is a post from the NGs, and I don't know this person, so, order at own risk... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 4 09:54:08 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:54:08 EST Subject: OFF: pre-SUNDIAL Message-ID: The same guy w/the Buskers and Twink also has this: The modern Art (pre Sun Dial) All aboard the mind train CD Gallium Arsenide GaAs 2501 UK 94 ex/ex $10 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 4 10:25:13 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:25:13 GMT Subject: HW: Buskers LP/Pinkwind LP In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:51:00 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > 1. Various (feat D Brock??) Buskers LP RCA LSP 4426 USA 70 ex/ex co $10 > 2. Pinkwind Festival of the sun LP Twink TWK LP 3 UK 95 S/S $15 > > domestica at one.se > > This guy has a couple of albums I thought someone here might want. He seems to > be not sure if the Buskers LP has Brock. I have no clue. Also, this is a post Yep - Brock is indeed on this one - one of his earliest appearances pre-Hawkwind (as far as I know). It's not desperately rare, in that it keeps coming up for sale every now and again but I don't think it has ever had a reissue so a price of $10 is good value. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Dec 4 10:25:02 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:25:02 +0100 Subject: Live : Zones & Stonehenge Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > At 17:39 03.12.98 +0000, you wrote: > >Does anyone know which tracks are from when? > >Zones (Flicknife 1983) > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > > >Zones > > No idea (from 1982 I suppose) > > > > >Dangerous Vision ? ? ? > December 1980 It?s a studio track recorded somewhere in 1980. > > > > >Running Through... ? ? ? Recorded at Rockfield Studios in 1981, from the recording sessions for Sonic Attack album. It was originally called _Messages_. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 4 13:03:13 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:03:13 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks Message-ID: I've compiled a list of what's left to identify. Some of this stuff may be studio since it appeared on singles in the early to mid 80's. If any of you have bits of Hawkwind bumff from about the time these albums came out, could you check it for any comment as to tyhe source of tracks? If we can't identify the source and the track is definitely live, it'd be useful to identify the tour that the track came from. That's usually possible from comparing it to a tape from the suspected tour - the style changes between tours are usually easy to spot. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Time of the Hawklords CD-R --------------------- Who's Gonna Win the War? ? Flying Doctor ? Brainstorm ? Brainstorm could be from just about anywhere. Does anyone have this CD-R to check? I guess FD and WGWTW? weren't played on many tours so we should be able to limit the time period. Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] --------------------- Slap it on de Table ? This does sound like it's from a jamming session or soundcheck from sometime 70-73? Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 ---------------------------- Flying Doctor ? On which tours did this track feature? Comparing it to tapes might give us this. Out & Intake ------------ Coded Languages [CD] ? I suspect the 1982 tour. Travellers Aid Trust (Double LP 1988) -------------------- Brainstorm ? Blue Dreamer ? Damage of Life ? Was this maybe recorded at one of the festivals that Hawkwind played? They were alleged to have played in the Travellers Field at Glastonbury in 1987. What other festivals did they play around then? When did Damage of Life first appear? Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock --------- The War ? This would have to be around 80 or early 81. When did Weird 101 come out exactly? Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 --------- Jam ? Came Home ? Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 --------- Live and Let Live ? Etchanatae ? Independent Days ---------------- Assault And Battery ? Sleep Of 1000 Tears ? Hurry On Sundown ? (same as Hawkwind Zoo) The first two appeared on teh Zarozinia EP. Maybe all 3 are studio? The Emergency Broadcast System Samples -------------------------------------- Coded Languages ? The Ambient Anarchists ---------------------- Love in Space ? Acid Daze --------- Masters of the Universe ? World of Tiers ? There can't be many tours on which world of tiers was played? Friends And Relations --------------------- The Golden Void ? 1986 Hawkfan 12" ----------------- Countdown ? Ejection ? From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Dec 4 14:05:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:05:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Gee, another comp. In-Reply-To: <199812031909.OAA02361@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hawkwind - Anthology 1967-1982 (Castle Communications) This months Uncut say "A detailed documentary, for diehards" *** I say "Just another makeshift compilation from castle, who seem determined to isuue the same material as many times as possible" Z At 14:09 03/12/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Folks.. > >Dunno if this has been mentioned here before, but yesterday I saw a 'new' >2CD compilation from Castle entitled simply "Anthology." It has nice >packaging, but of course, most of the material smells of 'Acid Daze' >reworked one more time. Disc 2 also contained seven or eight other >selections, mostly studio tracks from albums of the 80's and 90's IIRC. I >know Gimme Shelter from It's the biz... was one. > >Keith H. (FAA) > >ObCD: Markus James - Spirit Gate > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 4 14:59:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: Does anybody know what the standard opening song was circa 74-75? Stairways perhaps? I know I saw them in '75 and do recall them playing everything off Feet/Knees but I'll be damned if I can recall what the opener was. Listening to Subhuman with headphones I found a few things I never really noticed before. Best Bass I've ever heard from Joe. Phenomenal on this track. Eric is playing some pretty good stun guitar, vocals are definitely top notch. This is not Buck's best solo guitar work. If anything he really sounds restrained with headphones on. I still think this is the greatest song BOC ever recorded. Not best song ever mind you but this recording is easily my fave BOC. Mind you all of the above is simply MHO...today...with headphones...playing it thru my pc. Peace and Love Ghost in the Ruins OBCD's at Work - Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush - Double Live Queensryche - The Warning BOC - Feet/Knees From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 4 14:26:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:26:55 EDT Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <199812042009.NAA27124@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Does anybody know what the standard opening song was circa 74-75? Stairways > perhaps? I know I saw them in '75 and do recall them playing everything off > Feet/Knees but I'll be damned if I can recall what the opener was. > Stairway was definitely BOC's opener in the early days. I was completly shocked when OYF... came out, with Subhuman as opener. I saw BOC in support of ST, and they didn't play subhuman at all, let alone as opener. I then saw them touring behind OYF, and, guess what? Stairway was the opener, and again, no Subhuman! > Listening to Subhuman with headphones I found a few things I never really > noticed before. > > Best Bass I've ever heard from Joe. Phenomenal on this track. > > Eric is playing some pretty good stun guitar, vocals are definitely top > notch. > Is it Eric or Allen? EB played a lot of synth around that time. Don't have the albums here to check... > This is not Buck's best solo guitar work. If anything he really sounds > restrained with headphones on. > As great as BD is, he struggled a bit live in the early days. He could be brilliant in one part, and so-so in the next. Nowadays, he's flat-out [ouch!] brilliant live... theo ps Has BOC stopped touring for a while? All the web sites I've seen only show a couple gigs. Any chance they'll follow the CMC pattern, and put out a live one? Holy shit that would be great, esp. if they include the balls-out version of Telepaths theyre doing now! theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Dec 4 15:49:07 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:49:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: >Any chance they'll follow the CMC pattern, >and put out a live one? Holy shit that would be great, esp. if they >include the balls-out version of Telepaths theyre doing now! > >theo Would anyone outside BOC-L shell out the moolah for *another* BOC live album? Especially after the King Biscuit CD comes out. Granted, it would be phenominal, but I can't see it happening. BTW, on a HF note, the afternoon DJ at WCMF here in Rochester, NY says something good about HF every time he plays "Harvest Moon" (the only HF song they play at the station). He has mentioned more than once, however, that the original line-up plays on HF.... Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/24: Part two of the FW interview. ---------- From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 4 19:40:59 1998 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:40:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <392DDA7E4E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >ps >Has BOC stopped touring for a while? All the web sites I've seen >only show a couple gigs. Any chance they'll follow the CMC pattern, >and put out a live one? Holy shit that would be great, esp. if they >include the balls-out version of Telepaths theyre doing now! > >theo only ones I found on a quick scan of Eric's posts: Dec 11 and 12 Clarksville, TN The Warehouse Dec 18 Detroit area The Palace at Auburn Hills with Loverboy Dec 19 Raleigh, NC Jan 30, 1999 Miami Beach, FL SuperBowl Fest Bayfront Amphitheatre Ted From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Dec 4 19:43:47 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:43:47 EST Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: If anyone is going to the Clarksville show, email me. I will be there both nights. this should tide me over till the next BBQ East :-) chuck From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Dec 5 01:03:30 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:03:30 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't have the patience to wait around for a few days to see if this is an old, already-hashed-to-death topic: What do people think of Metallica's _Garage, Inc_ cover of "Astronomy"...?! I just about passed out when I saw the lyric sheet for "Astronomy" as the background photo on page 3 of the booklet, and the sleeve art from _Secret Treaties_ on page 7. In my wildest fantasies, I see this sparking a sudden resurgence of interest in BOC, ultimately leading up to the re-uniting of the old lineup... of course, then the drugs wear off. But just for a moment, it's nice to pretend. BTW, one of the wedding presents was a sizeable donation to the "buy Steve a real stereo" warchest, which I promptly put to its intended use. The unfortunate side-effect of this is that I now realize quite clearly and inescapably, that most of my CD collection sounds like shit. :) Anybody up for a discussion of sound quality (or the predominant lack thereof) in the BOC/Hawkwind catalog? Steve swann at plutonia.com P.S. The bride and groom's first dance was "Astronomy". _Secret Treaties_ version, of course! :-) From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Dec 5 08:41:41 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:41:41 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: >So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to >former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't >have the patience to wait around for a few days to see if this is an >old, already-hashed-to-death topic: > >What do people think of Metallica's _Garage, Inc_ cover of >"Astronomy"...?! I quite like it, it has some new flavor to it but pays respect to the original... the guitar synths are effective. ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Dec 5 09:37:27 1998 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:37:27 +1000 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: > BTW, one of the wedding presents was a sizeable donation to the "buy > Steve a real stereo" warchest, which I promptly put to its intended > use. The unfortunate side-effect of this is that I now realize quite > clearly and inescapably, that most of my CD collection sounds like > shit. :) Anybody up for a discussion of sound quality (or the > predominant lack thereof) in the BOC/Hawkwind catalog? > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). In comparison the production qualities of albums from the same era of (for example) Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have higher sound quality, but of course with bands such as D.P. you are mainly relying on production to achieve a good sound as opposed to the band themselves. I would say the main albums that stand out for me in terms of actual sound mixing would have to be `Warrior on the edge of time' and `OYFOYK' (sheerly because of the ability to get such a good sound out of a concert, personally comparing the quailty of that to, say `Some Enchanted Evening' ). Thanks for listening Patrick From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 5 10:40:33 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:40:33 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: <199812041803.SAA25146@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:03 04.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Time of the Hawklords CD-R >--------------------- >Who's Gonna Win the War? ? >Flying Doctor ? >Brainstorm ? I suppose that FD and Brainstarm are from Oxford, 06.10.78 >Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 >---------------------------- >Flying Doctor ? FD was played only on the 1st couple of gigs during the HAWKLREDS tour >Out & Intake >------------ >Coded Languages [CD] ? > >I suspect the 1982 tour. I agree >Travellers Aid Trust (Double LP 1988) >-------------------- >Brainstorm ? >Blue Dreamer ? >Damage of Life ? > >Was this maybe recorded at one of the festivals that Hawkwind played? >They were alleged to have played in the Travellers Field at Glastonbury >in 1987. What other festivals did they play around then? When did Damage >of Life first appear? It appears for the 1st time on 02.06.89 in St.Albans >Independent Days >---------------- >Assault And Battery ? >Sleep Of 1000 Tears ? Both tracks are from Hammy Odeon on 03.12.85 (where the LIVE CHRONICALS is from) >1986 Hawkfan 12" >----------------- >Countdown ? London 28.09.72 >Ejection ? Bristol, 31.10.82 Bernhard From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Dec 5 11:15:56 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:15:56 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait.../misc. In-Reply-To: <199812051447.AAA25257@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: At 12:37 AM 12/6/98 +1000, you wrote: >> shit. :) Anybody up for a discussion of sound quality (or the >> predominant lack thereof) in the BOC/Hawkwind catalog? Yes, but in the end all there is is lamentation. heh. >Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo >these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). >In comparison the production qualities of albums from the same era of (for >example) Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have higher sound quality, but of >course with bands such as D.P. you are mainly relying on production to >achieve a good sound as opposed to the band themselves. I would say the Well, Deep Purple I know had the production talents of Martin Birch on the lion's share of their output in the 70's at least. So, it's bound to sound better than most of their peers' output of the time. Note how well done CU and FoUO are by the same guy.. If BOC had him on ST I really really shudder to think how GOOD that LP would sound. If memory serves me well, I remember Albert once commented on how disappointed he (or the band, orboth) were with the production of "The Subhuman" on the LP. Also, the same post said that the best prodcution bit on the LP was that way neat music box intro to the mighty Flaming Telepaths. To me, the way the band goes nuts during the "And the jokes on you" end is one of the most intense studio things they've done.Yay. At least, Buck managed to do HF quite well. It's a shame they kept the Steve shenck produced Harvest Moon and Still Burnin' on the disc. The former lacks ominous heaviness and the latter just lacks being well produced period. God bless George Geranious for OYF. Of further discographic note,my library for some reason has a 4 volume listing of all sessions done at Atlantic Records. Hawwkind has only one entry for the "Motorhead"/"Kings of Speed" single. BOC none. But, the MC 5 had numerous sessions for the work c. 'Back in the USA' -- a studio Black in Comm is listed among some other tracks that didn't make the LP. Keen! Also, for you King Crimson fans out there, the single cat food/Groon is listed as Cat Food/Grumble (I think that was the name-- I couldn't borrow the book, no card on me when I was there). But I could check. Lastly, there are in once of the volumes a score of Rolling Stones live dates in the Atlantic archives from the 70's, including Buffalo NY. Angie was on the set list, so it might have been when Taylor was on his way out or Wood (ick) was joining. Hm.... I wonder since T&M was done quadrophonically at one point, if Mobile Fidelity will use those tracks as a bonus on the CD? Theyare doing t&M right? Questions?Answers!Answers?Questions! Jason From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 5 12:37:25 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:37:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: MAGNUM / BOB CATLEY Message-ID: A hard drive trashed my address book and I promised someone with a Magnum web site a link to my review. Well it's at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/zeitgeist/decrev.html#BOB CATLEY Regards, Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 5 12:38:25 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:38:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: E-zine reviews Message-ID: Have been updated and can be read at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/zeitgeist/decrev.html All contributors will receive the paper version, if a mailing address was given. regards, Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Dec 5 12:47:55 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:47:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Classic Rock magazine Issue 2 Message-ID: Is out, and with their tremendous marketing plan firmly in place, I found my copy in a branch of the Scottish Midland Co-operative Society (in Leith if anyone wants a copy:-) Another free CD which contains; Fish - Internal Exile Kings X - Fade Neal Casal - Best To Believe Uriah Heep - Heartless Land Arena - A Crack In The Ice Ten - Spellbound Backyard Babies - Made Me Madman Change Of Heart - Don't Walk Away Pallas - Insomniac McCoy - Outrageous Emerald Rain - Broken Saviours ?2.50 from your Co-op Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Dec 5 12:52:23 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:52:23 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812051447.AAA25257@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Patrick Cordiner wrote: => Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo => these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI remasters blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) They sound pretty spiffy to me. => In comparison the production qualities of albums from the same era of (for => example) Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have higher sound quality, but of => course with bands such as D.P. you are mainly relying on production to => achieve a good sound as opposed to the band themselves. I would say the So what are you saying? That Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were a load of Milli Vanillis and Frankie Goes to Hollywoods who covered up their lack of playing/musical ability with slick studio trickery?? If so, I'd say that was insulting, and would humbly disagree. => main albums that stand out for me in terms of actual sound mixing would => have to be `Warrior on the edge of time' and `OYFOYK' (sheerly because of => the ability to get such a good sound out of a concert, personally comparing => the quailty of that to, say `Some Enchanted Evening' ). Off the top of my head, my candidate for the #1 worst legit Hawkwind CD transfer would be the Dojo _Chronicle of the Black Sword_, which sounds like it was mastered straight from a master ED'd for vinyl. (The vinyl, on the other hand, sounds nice.) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Sat Dec 5 12:24:26 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 04:24:26 +1100 Subject: BOC: Cover Scans Message-ID: Dear All, I was wondering if a) someone could donate to me, or b) point me to where I could find (without pinching) scans of three BOC albums. I'm looking for Cultosaurus, Mirrors and Fire of Unknown Origin. I'd be grateful if anyone could help me. Thanks, - Max Wilcox From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Sat Dec 5 13:55:19 1998 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:55:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 3:15 PM Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff >Does anybody know what the standard opening song was circa 74-75? Stairways >perhaps? I know I saw them in '75 and do recall them playing everything off >Feet/Knees but I'll be damned if I can recall what the opener was. > >Listening to Subhuman with headphones I found a few things I never really >noticed before. > >Best Bass I've ever heard from Joe. Phenomenal on this track. > >Eric is playing some pretty good stun guitar, vocals are definitely top >notch... This is the song that got me hooked on BOC. Let me ask a question of the group. Do you remember the days when you could go to the local department or variety store, look through the 8 tracks (yes, this dates me), find a tape that looked cool, and then get excited when you got home and played it because the music was inventive, interesting, even enrapturing? This is what On your feet or on your knees did for me. The Subhuman was a remarkable choice to start the album, enough of a jazzy-feel with a solid foundation in intelligent rock and roll to have prevented the song from becoming "fusion jazz" pastiche. The drums, bass, keyboards, vocals and lead guitar were remarkable. Everything worked. This is one of my top three BOC songs; Astronomy (ST version) and Flaming Telepaths are the other two. Now, as to the openers for that era--I saw BOC as the penultimate band in an Atlanta Stadium show that featured, .38 Special, Bob Seeger and the Silver Bullet Band, Johnny and Edgar Winter, BOC, and KISS (IMHO, this KISS performance did more to turn me off to KISS than any other single thing that they have ever done, intentional or unintentional. There performance depended on excessive pyro, excessive volume, excessive delays, excessive staging, and excessive attitude. Missing was musical skills. They missed many notes, cues, and were off key.) BOC came on just as it began to rain and this caused the group to get shocked as they played. They had to exit the stage once and Albert, bless his heart, stayed on stage and drummed until the weather cleared enough to the techs to mop up the stage. BOC opened with Harvester of Eyes (the SEE era version, sans synthesizer intro). The year was '76 (I think). When I next saw them in Atlanta for the SEE recording session at the Fox theater, they opened with RU Ready to Rock. Stairway to the Stars followed. I have long expected that BOC had hoped to get more usable songs for SEE from that show, but some jerk kept firing bottle rockets at the stage. At least once, either Eric or Buck had to use their guitars as a shield from these missiles. Finally, Eric stopped the show and lambasted the jerk for firing the bottle rockets. In fact, he encouraged the person standing next to the culprit to "Say, Sir, you are a f*cking asshole. Then punch him in the f*cking mouth." Had any of the people been close enough, we would have happily, if not earlier obliged. Richard From martyl at NETSPACE.NET.AU Sat Dec 5 16:49:00 1998 From: martyl at NETSPACE.NET.AU (marty) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 08:49:00 +1100 Subject: Hawkwind Live tracks Message-ID: >> >> >Dangerous Vision ? ? ? >> December 1980 > >It?s a studio track recorded somewhere in 1980. This could be from 18.12.80 London ,since they played it live at Southampton on the same tour. > >Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock >--------- >The War ? > >This would have to be around 80 or early 81. When did Weird 101 come out >exactly? > This must be earlier maybe '77 since "Whoose gonna win the war" was played on the '79 winter tour,and I got the weird tapes in 1978 I think. >--------- >Masters of the Universe ? >World of Tiers ? > >There can't be many tours on which world of tiers was played? > I think this would be from the 1980 tour with Blake,or the Dec 1980 tour with Keith Hayle but I haven't heard it for ages . >Friends And Relations >--------------------- >The Golden Void ? >From the Sonic assasins Barnstable gig. regards Marty Marty Lawrence Private e-mail:martyl at netspace.net.au work: martynl at fujitsu.com.au "Space is infinite it is Dark,Space is neutral it is cold" Ginkgo Biloba Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9061 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 5 21:16:04 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:16:04 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:40:33 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > >1986 Hawkfan 12" > >----------------- > >Countdown > London 28.09.72 > >Ejection > Bristol, 31.10.82 For what it's worth Brian Tawn says the following: "Countdown is the Intro to the Hawkwind In Concert programme broadcast by the BBC radio on 4 Aug 1973. The Hawkwind you hear briefly at the end of the countdown are Dave Brock, Nik Turner, Lemmy, Simon King, DikMik and Del Dettmar. The countdown vocals are Stacia and Andy Dunkley. The record then runs straight into a couple of seconds of Hawkwind featuring Dave Brock, Nik turner, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd Langton and Clive Deamer, with Brian Tawn saying welcome to Hawkfan 12...then the record runs straight into...EJECTION: This is from the 1982 tour encore and features Dave Brock, Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd Langton and Martin Griffin...." jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 5 21:25:44 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:25:44 GMT Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Sat, 5 Dec 1998 01:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to > former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't Congratulations! Now I'm feeling old again - for that sure does bring back fond memories of earlier days!! And I'm delighted to hear it - this is good news 8-) So what did you dance to from 'Live Chronicles'?! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 5 21:58:21 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 02:58:21 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:03:13 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 > --------- > Jam I'm sure this is also from the Greasy Truckers, Roundhouse show - didn't Brian Tawn (or someone) say somewhere that although Hawkwind were headlining this fest they only had a setlist of about 4 or 5 tracks and so when they were called back for an encore they had to do a filler consisting of a jam of stuff that they were working on at the time. > Acid Daze > --------- > Masters of the Universe ? > World of Tiers ? > > There can't be many tours on which world of tiers was played? Has this been answered yet? It must be AFTER the arrival of Keith Hale because Brian Tawn's comment in the book was that these two tracks were included in the Acid Daze compilation to show how well the band had adapted to the sudden change in personnel caused by Tim Blake's departure and Keith Hale's arrival, so the tracks lie between 24 Oct 1980 and 14 Feb 1981. Looking through various track lists World of Tiers is actually a very popular live track but there only seem to be a very few occasions when it and Master of the Universe are played at the same gig. I've got tracklists with both for: Guildford, Edinburgh and London Lewisham within that date span, although there may be others of course. It's not Guildford (31/10/80) which leaves Edinburgh (12/12/80) or London Lewisham Odeon (18.12.80). The latter I would have thought more likely? > 1986 Hawkfan 12" > ----------------- > Countdown ? This is probably being picky but on the tape release of Hawkfan 12 Brian Tawn was not allowed to include the Countdown because it was owned by the BBC so he substituted a synth noodle called "Hawkfan 12". There is, however, no indication where it comes from although the date is probably around that of the issue of the tape. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From des at SUPERLINK.NET Sat Dec 5 22:54:53 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 23:54:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cover Scans In-Reply-To: <36696C47.6810D924@uq.net.au> Message-ID: Try this site it has album covers and a lot of neat stuff. http://www.keyinfo.com/tyranny1/ --Eric On 05-Dec-98, Max Wilcox says to me: > Dear All, > > I was wondering if a) someone could donate to me, or b) point me > to where I could find (without pinching) scans of three BOC albums. I'm > looking for Cultosaurus, Mirrors and Fire of Unknown Origin. I'd be grateful > if anyone could help me. > Thanks, > > - Max Wilcox > -- Rise to claim Saturn- Ring and Sky From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 6 09:14:03 1998 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:14:03 +1000 Subject: Cover Scans Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote on Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:24 AM > > Dear All, > > I was wondering if a) someone could donate to me, or b) point me > to where I could find (without pinching) scans of three BOC albums. I'm > looking for Cultosaurus, Mirrors and Fire of Unknown Origin. I'd be grateful > if anyone could help me. > Thanks, > > - Max Wilcox Don't you still have access to a scanner? If so I still own all three albums and can provide them for your happy scanning. Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 6 09:27:07 1998 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 00:27:07 +1000 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote:- > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:52 AM > I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI >remasters blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) >They sound pretty spiffy to me. No, I think the remastered albums have totally managed to perfect the Hawkwind sound and translate it especially well for high performance stereos, it was just I was recently comparing the sound of the CD unmastered and remastered versions of `In Search of Space' and found that the original could have been better produced for its day > So what are you saying? That Deep Purple and Black Sabbath >were a load of Milli Vanillis and Frankie Goes to Hollywoods who >covered up their lack of playing/musical ability with slick studio >trickery?? If so, I'd say that was insulting, and would humbly >disagree. Not at all!! Just that it seems as if D.P. put a lot more effort into tweaking the technology of the studio than Hawkwind, and personally I think Hawkwind put more effort into their actual song construction outside of the studio (pre-Levitation era of course) but then failed to translate this onto vinyl as cleverly as D.P. and Black Sabbath managed to. Patrick. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Dec 6 11:29:42 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:29:42 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Dec 5, 98 12:52:23 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Patrick Cordiner wrote: > > => Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo > => these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). > > I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI remasters > blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) They sound pretty > spiffy to me. Actually, are you ready for this one? I'm about to eat my own words, here (my words of a year or so ago). The EMI remasters sound "soft". There, I've said it. Basically, the processing software used to clean up those albums appears to have had the following effects: 1. It reduces hiss and general background noise 2. It softens the "attack" of the instruments - the string plucks don't sound as crisp. Frankly, after much listening with the new system, I've decided that my personal favorite CDs of the early Hawkwind albums are One Way, who appear to have done the least muddling with the sources. The worst are Griffin, which are positively muffled, and sound like they're wallowing in syrup. Frankly, when I did comparisons of all my copies of _Live Chronicles_, I found that none of the CDs reproduced the guitar and other mid-range sounds as nicely as the vinyl. (Or even as well as the minidisc transcription of the vinyl that I made!). > => In comparison the production qualities of albums from the same era of (for > => example) Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have higher sound quality, but of > => course with bands such as D.P. you are mainly relying on production to > => achieve a good sound as opposed to the band themselves. I would say the > > So what are you saying? That Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were a load > of Milli Vanillis and Frankie Goes to Hollywoods who covered up their > lack of playing/musical ability with slick studio trickery?? If so, I'd > say that was insulting, and would humbly disagree. I'm going to ignore the insinuations about these bands' musical prowess, and focus on the "sound" issue. The fact is that the Black Sabbath remasters sound *awesome*, even on a highly revealing system. (As a ide note, _Black Sabbath_, and _Welcome to Sky Valley_ were two of the dozen or so test disks that I used when auditioning speakers. It was Kyuss that revealed the sorry bass response of just about every brand of speaker on the market these days, btw.) Anyway, my point is that Sony's "SuperBitMapping" technique used on the Black Sabbath masters appears to have the quality of preserving the sound of the original recording as much as possible (noise, harshness and all), rather than blunting the edge of the music in the interests of making it sound "cleaner" (like Mobile Fidelity does sometimes on really old, bad recordings, and EMI did with the Hawkwind remasters). That said, I still think the EMI remasters have a lot to be said for them, unless you're planning on spending the several thousands of dollars on stereo system upgrades that it would take to reveal their shortcomings. Same thing with Mobile Fidelity, to some extent, although I stick to my assertion that Mobile Fidelity makes a fuckup of really bad recordings, by using too heavy-handed a noise suppression algorithm. On Thick As A Brick, for instance, you can actually hear the algorithm kick in, and back out again in the "dead space" where the band pauses between notes. As the note fades out, you can hear the hiss sharply descrease, like someone manually turning down the record level, and then just as the next note is starting after the pause, you hear the hiss suddenly rush back in... It sounds sort of ridiculous. > => main albums that stand out for me in terms of actual sound mixing would > => have to be `Warrior on the edge of time' and `OYFOYK' (sheerly because of > => the ability to get such a good sound out of a concert, personally comparing > => the quailty of that to, say `Some Enchanted Evening' ). > > Off the top of my head, my candidate for the #1 worst legit Hawkwind CD > transfer would be the Dojo _Chronicle of the Black Sword_, which sounds > like it was mastered straight from a master ED'd for vinyl. (The vinyl, > on the other hand, sounds nice.) Haven't heard that one. My personal candidate for "worst offender" is Griffin's _Live Chronicles_, which sounds positively muddy. This despite the fact that the various other reproductions of _LC_ indicate strongly that it came from a set of good, clean sources (maybe when Griffin bought the rights to it, they were shipped a bad copy of the masters?). Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Dec 6 11:41:46 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 11:41:46 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812060225.CAA14345@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "J Strobridge" at Dec 6, 98 02:25:44 am Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to > > former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't > > Congratulations! Now I'm feeling old again - for that sure does > bring back fond memories of earlier days!! Thanks, Jill. > And I'm delighted to hear it - this is good news 8-) > > So what did you dance to from 'Live Chronicles'?! We considered both Zarozinia and Needle Gun. Frankly, after the fact, I'm sort of sorry that we didn't use Needle Gun. I think it would have been a hoot. Actually, I was a bit surprised at how well "Astronomy" worked. I mean, Tori and I decided to use it even if it didn't entirely work as a slow-dance tune, just because of its symbolic value to us... but the fact is that it's just the right tempo, even after it "picks up" in the middle. I recommend it for any other listmembers thinking of tying the knot. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Sun Dec 6 13:20:31 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:20:31 CST Subject: Couldn't wait.../misc. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Dec 1998 05:00:47 CST." <199812061000.FAA01732@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" writes: >Hm.... I wonder since T&M was done quadrophonically at one point, if Mobile >Fidelity will use those tracks as a bonus on the CD? Theyare doing t&M right? Yes, they are. It appears in their (printed) catalog, as available. It's listed as catalog # UDCD 738. However, their online catalog shows 737 and 739 as done, but no 738 available yet. So probably in early '99. I doubt they'd use the quadraphonic tracks as bonus tracks, since the tracks probably wouldn't sound right on 2-track stereo--just...different. I keep waiting to for someone to start up a company re-releasing all those old quadraphonic mixes re-coded for Dolby surround sound. Dolby-DTS at least has made an initial effort, doing Alan Parsons' "On Air" among others. (See http://www.dtsonline.com for more details.) Of course, there has to be a market for that before they'll get around to doing the BOC stuff, and Dolby/DTS is trying to build it. It will probably be more feasible in two or three years, as more people buy DVD players and invest in 5.1 channel home theater systems. m@ From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Dec 6 13:57:01 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:57:01 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812061629.LAA10345@imperatrix.plutonia.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Dec 6, 98 11:29:42 am Message-ID: Yes, I'm following up my own post, before somebody asks me what the hell I'm babbling about here: In an apparent stupor, I wrote: > > Anyway, my point is that Sony's "SuperBitMapping" technique used on > the Black Sabbath masters appears to have the quality of preserving > the sound of the original recording as much as possible (noise, > harshness and all), rather than blunting the edge of the music in the > interests of making it sound "cleaner" (like Mobile Fidelity does > sometimes on really old, bad recordings, and EMI did with the Hawkwind > remasters). Actually, I have no idea what technique was used to remaster those Sabbath albums. A cursory scan of the case art and liner notes doesn't appear to say how the remasters were done, or even what party was responsible for them. SuperBitMappaing has been used on some other remasters that I'm fairly impressed with, but not on these, which I'm _really_ impressed with. Old, low-budget recordings like this have no business sounding so good. Of course, in another 10 years, when my stereo budget (hopefully) increases by another 10-fold, I'll be back to dis these, too. ;-) And my phraseology needs some re-working here: > > Frankly, after much listening with the new system, I've decided that > my personal favorite CDs of the early Hawkwind albums are One Way, who > appear to have done the least muddling with the sources. The worst > are Griffin, which are positively muffled, and sound like they're > wallowing in syrup. I wort of switched topics in mid-sentence there. I started out talking about early Hawkwind releases, and then paused to take a backhanded swipe at Griffin, which is totally unrelated. In fact I was thinking of how bad the Griffin _Live Chronicles_ was. I always thought that it wasn't as bright a recording as the other Live Chronicles CD, but now I can hear that it's actually muddy and dull sounding. :( Steve swann at plutonia.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Dec 6 18:28:03 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:28:03 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to > former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't > have the patience to wait around for a few days to see if this is an > old, already-hashed-to-death topic: > > What do people think of Metallica's _Garage, Inc_ cover of > "Astronomy"...?! > > I just about passed out when I saw the lyric sheet for "Astronomy" as > the background photo on page 3 of the booklet, and the sleeve art from > _Secret Treaties_ on page 7. In my wildest fantasies, I see this > sparking a sudden resurgence of interest in BOC, ultimately leading up > to the re-uniting of the old lineup... of course, then the drugs wear > off. But just for a moment, it's nice to pretend. > Even though there all happy with where they are now, and Bobby and Danny are exceptional and play extremely well together and BOC, it would be great to see the original line up one last time. Be cool if they did this at one of the BBQ's, I have never seen the original line up unfortunately :-(. > BTW, one of the wedding presents was a sizeable donation to the "buy > Steve a real stereo" warchest, which I promptly put to its intended > use. The unfortunate side-effect of this is that I now realize quite > clearly and inescapably, that most of my CD collection sounds like > shit. :) Anybody up for a discussion of sound quality (or the > predominant lack thereof) in the BOC/Hawkwind catalog? > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com > > P.S. The bride and groom's first dance was "Astronomy". _Secret > Treaties_ version, of course! :-) I can only speak on BOC, but when Colombia transferred the albums to CD they did a horribly sloppy job. "Heaven Forbid" is well produced, and has pretty good dynamics, "Cult Classic" sounds GREAT! One thing I find that really helps an album with low dynamics, is a good Equalizer. I bought a ten band Yamaha Equalizer about a year ago, and I was really surprised how much it helps. You should definitely look into buying one, especially if you listen to a lot of LP's, or older albums on CD. What we need is 24 bit digital remasters, like they did for those Ozzy albums, that would be cool :-). At least MoFi is releasing "Tyranny and Mutation" in the beginning of next year. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Dec 6 18:47:15 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:47:15 -0600 Subject: BOC sounds? Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > At 12:37 AM 12/6/98 +1000, you wrote: > >> shit. :) Anybody up for a discussion of sound quality (or the > >> predominant lack thereof) in the BOC/Hawkwind catalog? > Yes, but in the end all there is is lamentation. heh. > > >Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo > >these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). > >In comparison the production qualities of albums from the same era of (for > >example) Black Sabbath and Deep Purple have higher sound quality, but of > >course with bands such as D.P. you are mainly relying on production to > >achieve a good sound as opposed to the band themselves. I would say the > Well, Deep Purple I know had the production talents of Martin Birch on the > lion's share of their output in the 70's at least. So, it's bound to sound > better than most of their peers' output of the time. Note how well done > CU and FoUO are by the same guy.. If BOC had him on ST I really really > shudder to think how GOOD that LP would sound. If memory serves me well, > I remember Albert once commented on how disappointed he (or the band, > orboth) were with the production of "The Subhuman" on the LP. Also, the > same post said that the best prodcution bit on the LP was that way neat > music box intro to the mighty Flaming Telepaths. To me, the way the band > goes nuts during the "And the jokes on you" end is one of the most intense > studio things they've done.Yay. > I always thought the music box intro to "Flaming Telepaths" sounded great, I remember reading that they didn't know, and if im not mistaken still don't know, who wrote the music. Has anybody ever seen the music box with that song, or have heard it anywhere else? I always thought the wolf howl at the beginning of "Wings wetted down" always sounded great as an ending for "Baby Ice Dog", and I always put it in when placing "Baby Ice Dog" on a various tape :-). Before "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", there's the sound of a Toilet flushing, I think. Does anybody know for sure what it is? Laj. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sun Dec 6 18:47:48 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:47:48 EST Subject: BOC sounds? Message-ID: Laj writes > Before "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", there's the sound of a Toilet flushing, I think. Does anybody know for sure what it is? It's before "Teen Archer", and it's a toilet flushing :-) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Dec 6 19:38:33 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:38:33 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <366B1303.4AA5222D@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: => has pretty good dynamics, "Cult Classic" sounds GREAT! One thing I find => that really helps an album with low dynamics, is a good Equalizer. I => bought a ten band Yamaha Equalizer about a year ago, and I was really => surprised how much it helps. You should definitely look into buying one, => especially if you listen to a lot of LP's, or older albums on CD. What As one who keeps the "tone defeat" button on his amp pressed firmly in, I shudder at the notion of "graphic equalisers," but I'm mellower than I once was, and realise everything has a place, and each to his or her own. ;-) => we need is 24 bit digital remasters, like they did for those Ozzy => albums, that would be cool :-). At least MoFi is releasing "Tyranny and => Mutation" in the beginning of next year. I'm also firmly of the "improve at the source" philosophy of hi-fi (as opposed to "start at the speakers and work back" prevalent counter philosophy). So, when it comes to remastering, what is paramount, IMHO, is working from the best available masters. I can sample a lousy cassette dub at 24-bit, 96 KHz resolution, and it'll still sound like... a lousy cassette dub. Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Mama Kin, Boston, MA, 9/18/98 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Dec 6 22:53:53 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:53:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Another veiled reference in The Simpsons Message-ID: In tonight's episode of _The Simpsons_ (where Homer donates a kidney to his dad), there was, IMHO, another veiled BOC reference. In Moe's Tavern, Homer discovers the operation ("procedure") is, in fact, dangerous, and the regulars start asking him about his various body parts. Realising their intent, Homer exclaims, "Hey, quit harvesting me with your eyes!" I reckon this qualifies as a veiled BOC reference (to go with the one in which Homer was a freak in a travelling rock festival). Cheers, Paul. NP: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Konserthuset, Stockholm, 9th Jan 1969 (early) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Dec 6 23:28:41 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:28:41 -0500 Subject: Production vs. mastering (was: Re: Couldn't wait...) In-Reply-To: <199812061437.AAA24590@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Patrick Cordiner wrote: => Paul Mather wrote:- => > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 3:52 AM => > I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI >remasters => blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) >They sound pretty => spiffy to me. => => No, I think the remastered albums have totally managed to perfect the => Hawkwind sound and translate it especially well for high performance => stereos, it was just I was recently comparing the sound of the CD => unmastered and remastered versions of `In Search of Space' and found that => the original could have been better produced for its day I think from your postings you are perhaps confusing the terms "production" and "mastering." The production on _In Search of Space_ has remained the same since the album was released, in all formats. The mastering may have changed, however. => Not at all!! Just that it seems as if D.P. put a lot more effort into => tweaking the technology of the studio than Hawkwind, and personally I think => Hawkwind put more effort into their actual song construction outside of the => studio (pre-Levitation era of course) but then failed to translate this => onto vinyl as cleverly as D.P. and Black Sabbath managed to. I can't really comment on Deep Purple since I only have _Machine Head_ and _Made in Japan_. Folks have commented how Martin Birch was involved in the DP albums, but on those two I have, he's listed only as the engineer (maybe he moved into production later?). That being the case, I feel compelled to point out that the early Hawkwind albums were recorded under the auspices of the EMI/UA label, and so had the benefit of the considerable engineering talent possessed by that organisation. Indeed, _In Search of Space_, which you mention specifically, was engineered/co-produced by none other than the legendary George Chkiantz. As for putting "a lot more effort into tweaking the technology of the studio," I suggest you listen to "Smoke on the Water" on _Machine Head_ about that... ;-) It seems that the DP albums I have are fairly straighforward, albeit nicely-done recordings, and don't seem to me to contain the tons of overdubs and studio trickery your average, say, Led Zeppelin album has. Maybe the other DP albums are more fancy in that respect? Cheers, Paul. obLP: Frank Zappa, _Swiss Cheese/Fire!_ :-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Dec 7 02:46:41 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:46:41 -0600 Subject: BOC sounds? Message-ID: Chris Baker wrote: > > Laj writes > > > Before "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", there's the sound of a Toilet > flushing, I think. Does anybody know for sure what it is? > > It's before "Teen Archer", and it's a toilet flushing :-) RATS! How could a make such a stupid mistake, wonder where they got the idea for that? Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Dec 7 03:06:22 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:06:22 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > > => has pretty good dynamics, "Cult Classic" sounds GREAT! One thing I find > => that really helps an album with low dynamics, is a good Equalizer. I > => bought a ten band Yamaha Equalizer about a year ago, and I was really > => surprised how much it helps. You should definitely look into buying one, > => especially if you listen to a lot of LP's, or older albums on CD. What > > As one who keeps the "tone defeat" button on his amp pressed firmly in, > I shudder at the notion of "graphic equalisers," but I'm mellower than I > once was, and realise everything has a place, and each to his or her > own. ;-) > And then you gota have a floor sub ;-). > => we need is 24 bit digital remasters, like they did for those Ozzy > => albums, that would be cool :-). At least MoFi is releasing "Tyranny and > => Mutation" in the beginning of next year. > > I'm also firmly of the "improve at the source" philosophy of hi-fi (as > opposed to "start at the speakers and work back" prevalent counter > philosophy). So, when it comes to remastering, what is paramount, IMHO, > is working from the best available masters. > > I can sample a lousy cassette dub at 24-bit, 96 KHz resolution, and > it'll still sound like... a lousy cassette dub. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Gov't Mule, Mama Kin, Boston, MA, 9/18/98 > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix Yes very true. But im assuming with the Ozzy albums, and any other albums remastered or being planed for remastering, that there going to find the best source possible. Laj. From Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO Mon Dec 7 03:29:38 1998 From: Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO (Stephen Barstow) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:29:38 +0100 Subject: Man 1999 Party Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 3:56 AM > Subject: HW:/OFF: Man 1999 Party > > Hi Folks... > > I just picked up a live Man CD from the 1999 Party Tour with HW. My > feeling > is that this is recorded at the same gig as last year's HW 1999 Party > release...i.e., the Chicago Auditorium on March 21, 1974. > > Yes, you're right... > And that seems to > be confirmed by the liner notes in the booklet. But then it says > 'Live in > Chicago, April 1974' on the cover. And on the back cover of the > booklet, > there's a picture of a backstage pass that says, 'Hawkwind & Man' > April 8, > 1974 Orpheum. > > So what's the deal on that?? I can't see them doing two shows in the > same > city just three weeks apart. Perhaps this was the originally > scheduled date > (?) and so they had things like backstage passes made up with this > other > date. But of course, that would have meant that they actually did the > tour > *earlier* than was originally intended, and that just can't be! :) > The > other alternative (perhaps more likely) is that the Orpheum is a > theatre in > a different city and these people who did the cover were just > confused. > > Yeppp! They played the Orpheum Theatre in Boston on April 8th 1974 (at the end of > of the same tour (Source - the Man "bible" Mannerisms put out by Martin > Mycock - 140pp. packed with facts about Man and offshoots including the > dates for the 1999 Party Tour; Martin can be reached at > MartinMy at compuserve.com ) > Anyway, it's pretty damn good...the sound may even be better than the > HW > set. Very clean. There's five tracks (7171-551, Romain, It's a hard > way to > live, C'mon, and Spunk Rock) totalling 60 minutes, the highlight (for > me) > being the 24 minute psychedelic jam that is 'C'mon'. It's on Point > records > (1997) somewhere in Europe. Never heard of them before. > > Yeah, a great recording - I actually listened to it last night for the first > time in ages. That was the line-up with Micky, Deke and Terry together > with Malcolm Morley and Ken Whaley from the much missed Help Yourself....... > I also have a recording of the Helps' American Mother from the same tour - > one of the few times Man played that Malcolm Morley song. > A shame that that and another Morley song Blown Away, which was also > played on that tour, weren't also included - that would have made it perfect. > That's all...Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. I think it's obligatory to listen to the respective Man and HW > 1999 > Party CDs back to back (in that order), with perhaps an hour break in > between, during which you sit in a smoke-filled room with an empty > gaze and > spill beer on the floor. > > ObCD: Berg Herzburg comp. (1998) - more excellent Man (as well as > Love in > Space and other goodies) > >Steve B. From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Dec 7 04:28:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:28:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-07 09:28 >Independent Days > ---------------- >Assault And Battery ? >Sleep Of 1000 Tears ? >Hurry On Sundown ? (same as Hawkwind Zoo) >The first two appeared on teh Zarozinia EP. Maybe all 3 are studio? The first two have to be the CoTBS recording from Hammersmith Odeon (4/12/85?) - doesn't it actually say so on the 12" sleeve? Mark From Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO Mon Dec 7 06:34:49 1998 From: Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO (Stephen Barstow) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:34:49 +0100 Subject: Man 1999 Party Message-ID: I'll try again................................................ Yes, you're right, it was recorded in Chicago Yeppp! They played the Orpheum Theatre in Boston on April 8th 1974 (at the end of of the same tour (Source - the Man "bible" Mannerisms put out by Martin Mycock - 140pp. packed with facts about Man and offshoots including the dates for the 1999 Party Tour; Martin can be reached at MartinMy at compuserve.com ) Yeah, a great recording - I actually listened to it last night for the first time in ages. That was the line-up with Micky, Deke and Terry together with Malcolm Morley and Ken Whaley from the much missed Help Yourself....... I also have a recording of the Helps' American Mother from the same tour - one of the few times Man played that Malcolm Morley song. A shame that that and another Morley song Blown Away, which was also played on that tour, weren't also included - that would have made it perfect. Steve B. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Dec 7 07:34:26 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:34:26 -0500 Subject: Production vs. mastering (was: Re: Couldn't wait...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:28 PM 12/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >As for putting "a lot more effort into tweaking the technology of the >studio," I suggest you listen to "Smoke on the Water" on _Machine Head_ >about that... ;-) > >It seems that the DP albums I have are fairly straighforward, albeit >nicely-done recordings, and don't seem to me to contain the tons of >overdubs and studio trickery your average, say, Led Zeppelin album has. >Maybe the other DP albums are more fancy in that respect? Uhh.... not really. If one goes back to the very first trio of LPs with Nick Simper on bass and Rod Evans vox, the closest I think they get to massive track taking is "April" because it has the symphonic/rock band intrumental intro piece. As for Mark II linup material, From what they liner notes say in the Fierball 25th Anniversay remaster, the only things that got overdubbed were the guitar and organ solos, and Ian Gillan's voice. BTW, Fireball's anniversary edition is really really well done. Its double the size of the original LP w/ the bonus tracks and "Roger Gloer mixes" -- He does a mighty fine job too! Ear Damage, Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 06:32:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:32:49 EDT Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812061857.NAA11099@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > > Actually, I have no idea what technique was used to remaster those > Sabbath albums. A cursory scan of the case art and liner notes > doesn't appear to say how the remasters were done, or even what party > was responsible for them. SuperBitMappaing has been used on some > other remasters that I'm fairly impressed with, but not on these, > which I'm _really_ impressed with. Old, low-budget recordings like > this have no business sounding so good. Of course, in another 10 > years, when my stereo budget (hopefully) increases by another > 10-fold, I'll be back to dis these, too. ;-) > Have the Sony remasters ever been compared to the Castle remasters of Sab? Or are they one and the same? I used to be on the Sab list, and a lot of folks there were raving about the Castle remasters... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 06:40:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:40:57 EDT Subject: Couldn't wait.../misc. In-Reply-To: <199812061820.MAA12101@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: > From: Matthew Braun > Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" writes: > >Hm.... I wonder since T&M was done quadrophonically at one point, if Mobile > >Fidelity will use those tracks as a bonus on the CD? Theyare doing t&M right? > > Yes, they are. It appears in their (printed) catalog, as available. It's > listed as catalog # UDCD 738. However, their online catalog shows 737 and > 739 as done, but no 738 available yet. So probably in early '99. > > I doubt they'd use the quadraphonic tracks as bonus tracks, since the tracks > probably wouldn't sound right on 2-track stereo--just...different. > Listen up completists: I've got a quadrophonic 8-track of T&M! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 07:02:46 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:02:46 EDT Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76562894@bpxsv.pulleyn.com> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > >Any chance they'll follow the CMC pattern, > >and put out a live one? Holy shit that would be great, esp. if they > >include the balls-out version of Telepaths theyre doing now! > > > >theo > > Would anyone outside BOC-L shell out the moolah for *another* BOC live > album? Especially after the King Biscuit CD comes out. Granted, it would > be phenominal, but I can't see it happening. > Maybe not so strange. Judas Priest just put out a live one on CMC, less than a year after Jugulator. I wouldn't whine if KBFH and a CMC live one came out the same year... theo From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Dec 7 09:19:20 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:19:20 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812061857.NAA11099@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > > Anyway, my point is that Sony's "SuperBitMapping" technique used on > > the Black Sabbath masters appears to have the quality of preserving > > the sound of the original recording as much as possible (noise, > > harshness and all), rather than blunting the edge of the music in the > > interests of making it sound "cleaner" (like Mobile Fidelity does > > sometimes on really old, bad recordings, and EMI did with the Hawkwind > > remasters). I think that my copy of Doremi Fasol Latido (One Way) sounds better than Black Sabbath's Master of Reality, way better. I think the Black Sabbath (American versions) sound like shit. The bass is lacking and the drums are anemic. But the Castle remasters (available as English imports) sound really good. Treble is crisper, the drums have more wallop, and the bass moves more air. Especially Master of Reality and Vol. 4. So I am hoping that something similar will be done with the early BOC remasters coming out soon. Does anyone know anything about the mastering process used for those Castle remasters? --thomas From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Dec 7 09:26:56 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:26:56 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812061629.LAA10345@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > Paul Mather writes: > (As a ide note, _Black Sabbath_, and _Welcome to Sky Valley_ were two > of the dozen or so test disks that I used when auditioning speakers. > It was Kyuss that revealed the sorry bass response of just about every > brand of speaker on the market these days, btw.) I made a series of introduction to heavy music tapes for my girlfriend, and included a good bit of Kyuss among the other usual suspects. But the Kyuss (and Fu Manchu)! She really liked and started turning it up in her car, and after a while, her speakers started sounding funny, all woody, muffled, and wishy-washy. Kyuss ruined her speakers! When I hear Kyuss, it makes me wonder what early bands exploring the possibility of bass, downtuned or not, could have done with better recording techniques. I mean, imagine Black Sabbath Master of Reality or Vol. 4 and Hawkwind's Doremi Fasol Latido with the kind of bass recording techniques available now... as demonstrated by Kyuss, Fu Manchu, etc. --thomas From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 7 09:49:55 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:49:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Another veiled reference in The Simpsons Message-ID: >I reckon this qualifies as a veiled BOC reference (to go with the one in which Homer was a freak in a travelling rock festival). I think so too - and an worthy addition to the FAQ. :-) John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 7 10:03:16 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:03:16 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <366B8C7E.BC9B8F45@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: => Yes very true. But im assuming with the Ozzy albums, and any other => albums remastered or being planed for remastering, that there going to => find the best source possible. I hope so, too. But that can be a big assumption, sometimes. I mean, tracking down *original* masters (as opposed to safety copies, vinyl ED'd versions, etc.) can sometimes be easier said than done. For example, DCC eventually ended up with a personal copy belonging to Ian Anderson to use for their _Aqualung_ remaster, because no other suitable original masters could be located---anywhere. Also, the reason Hawkwind's _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ took so long to come out on CD is because it took a long time to find *ANY* master tapes of that album. (As it is, the track "Motorhead" is mastered from an LP!) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Dec 7 10:15:29 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:15:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: Speaking of KISS, has anyone (else) seen the Psycho Circus tour? Not being a BIG KISS fan - but having never seen them live, I decided to shell out the $45 (time two) for the tix to the Boston show (Friday the 13th - Nov) I have never seen a more gimmicky (is that a word?) display. 3D Screen, complete with glasses Fire raoring up from the speakers. Fireworks shooting off from the lights Fireworks from Freley's guitar Bleeding Gene Firebreating Gene Flying Gene. Gene Solo from a little stage in the lights. Trapezing Stanley to the sound board (and his own private stage) Massive lights. Confetti Cannons. Flying Criss and his drum platform (out over the audience, no less) and complete with exhaust ports and exhaust Smoke - LOTS of smoke and of course the obligatory smashing of the guitar. It was a 2:15 show. Gimmicky, but entertaining. From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Dec 7 10:27:15 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:27:15 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait.../misc. Message-ID: > I doubt they'd use the quadraphonic tracks as bonus tracks, since the tracks > probably wouldn't sound right on 2-track stereo--just...different. Couldn't you use Quadrophonic data to create a Q-Sound or Aural3d track? These work pretty good, especially with headphones (though they won't "track your head", as a true experience would, i.e., you tilt your head and the headphones move with you)... ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Dec 7 10:24:31 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:24:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: Monday morning spellchecking - sorely lacking - sorry. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 7 10:43:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:43:07 -0800 Subject: BOC: So Much Stuff Message-ID: Damn so much good stuff...must coincide with the return of Steve Swann... > So, I just signed back on after an extended absence (I got married to > former boc-l listmember "Lurking Girl", now Tori Swann), and I don't Congradulations to you both... >The Subhuman was a remarkable choice to start the album, enough of a jazzy-feel with a solid foundation in intelligent rock and roll to have prevented the song from becoming "fusion jazz" pastiche. The drums, bass, keyboards, vocals and lead guitar were remarkable. Everything worked. This is one of my top three BOC songs; Astronomy (ST version) and Flaming Telepaths are the other two. Oh my this is scary! How could two people feel the same way about three songs? Are we related? >Another free CD which contains; Kings X - Fade Have you played this one yet Z? Have you heard Tapehead? Can you point me to one of your reviews? >Eric is playing some pretty good stun guitar, vocals are definitely top > notch. > Theo>Is it Eric or Allen? EB played a lot of synth around that time. Don't have the albums here to check... Has to be Alan on keyboards and Eric on guitar. Guitar parts are pretty simple and the keys are way too fluid. > This is not Buck's best solo guitar work. If anything he really sounds > restrained with headphones on. > Theo>As great as BD is, he struggled a bit live in the early days. He could be brilliant in one part, and so-so in the next. Nowadays, he's flat-out [ouch!] brilliant live... I wouldn't call it struggling, more like restrained. In the 70's Buck looked really uncomfortable on stage...a confidence problem? I dunno I just recall the little guy in the white suit seemingly afriad to look out at the audience. Good to have you back Mr. Swann...was ready to blame the lack of BOC content on you but since you were not here it seemed rather pointless. 8>). L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCDFroogin' at work today - Hawkwind Live '79 Savatage - Streets, A Rock Opera Queensryche - Promise Land From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Dec 7 11:13:42 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:13:42 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <79481D0BC7@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Dec 7, 98 07:32:49 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > > From: Stephen Swann > > > > Actually, I have no idea what technique was used to remaster those > > Sabbath albums. A cursory scan of the case art and liner notes > > doesn't appear to say how the remasters were done, or even what party > > was responsible for them. SuperBitMappaing has been used on some > > other remasters that I'm fairly impressed with, but not on these, > > which I'm _really_ impressed with. Old, low-budget recordings like > > this have no business sounding so good. Of course, in another 10 > > years, when my stereo budget (hopefully) increases by another > > 10-fold, I'll be back to dis these, too. ;-) > > > Have the Sony remasters ever been compared to the Castle remasters of > Sab? Or are they one and the same? I used to be on the Sab list, > and a lot of folks there were raving about the Castle remasters... Argh. :-) I was talking about the Castle remasters, god only knows where I got the SuperBitMapping from. I must have been playing some other album that features the _SBM_ logo just before posting about the Black Sabbath remasters. Steve From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Dec 7 11:24:49 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:24:49 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071613.LAA18503@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > Have the Sony remasters ever been compared to the Castle remasters of > > Sab? Or are they one and the same? I used to be on the Sab list, > > and a lot of folks there were raving about the Castle remasters... Could you post the listserv address for the Sab list? thanks, thomas From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 10:51:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:51:07 EDT Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > > Have the Sony remasters ever been compared to the Castle remasters of > > > Sab? Or are they one and the same? I used to be on the Sab list, > > > and a lot of folks there were raving about the Castle remasters... > > Could you post the listserv address for the Sab list? > Jeez, I don't have it anymore. I haven't been subscribed for a while. I bet someone else on this list knows though. I'm gonna check Tony's site, maybe there's a link? theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 7 12:47:42 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:47:42 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:29:42 EST." <199812061629.LAA10345@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l :-O Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear cilia and quit whining you lot! In '92 we were still pondering the existence of some HW on CD *at all*. Now you want them all done again ? :-) cheers Tim ObGig: Henry Rollins @ UEA 29/11/98 > > => Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo > > => these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). > > > > I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI remasters > > blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) They sound pretty > > spiffy to me. > > Actually, are you ready for this one? I'm about to eat my own words, > here (my words of a year or so ago). > > The EMI remasters sound "soft". There, I've said it. Basically, the > processing software used to clean up those albums appears to have > had the following effects: > > 1. It reduces hiss and general background noise > 2. It softens the "attack" of the instruments - the string plucks > don't sound as crisp. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Dec 7 13:06:48 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:06:48 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait.../misc. In-Reply-To: <199812061820.MAA12101@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, M@ wrote: => I doubt they'd use the quadraphonic tracks as bonus tracks, since the tracks => probably wouldn't sound right on 2-track stereo--just...different. => => I keep waiting to for someone to start up a company re-releasing all those => old quadraphonic mixes re-coded for Dolby surround sound. Dolby-DTS at least => has made an initial effort, doing Alan Parsons' "On Air" among others. (See => http://www.dtsonline.com for more details.) Of course, there has to be a => market for that before they'll get around to doing the BOC stuff, and => Dolby/DTS is trying to build it. It will probably be more feasible in two or => three years, as more people buy DVD players and invest in 5.1 channel home => theater systems. Actually, one of the subcodes (along with the likes of "copy permit", "pre-emphasis", etc.) encoded on Red Book CD audio is "four channel", which is set to "no" for every music CD I've come across. But I guess this implies you could encode quadraphonic programme material on CDs (or at least they were thinking about this when defining the standard). Playing it is another matter entirely, I guess... ;-) Yet more useless trivia from the keyboard of, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 7 13:17:38 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:17:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: >I have never seen a more gimmicky (is that a word?) display. That's KISS for you. And, while some of their music is arguably good (I can certainly tap my foot to a lot of their stuff), KISS is image first, music second -- always was, always will be. And, like you say, "gimmicky, but entertaining". Sometimes I think folks who have "sophisticated" tastes (e.g., being a BOC fan), fail to miss the fact that stuff can be just downright FUN without having any deep meaning. It's like eating Filet Mignon vs. cotton candy. >3D Screen, complete with glasses >Trapezing Stanley to the sound board (and his own private stage) >Confetti Cannons. The above stuff, from your list, is probably the only stuff that's really new (although they've used confetti for years, just not necessarily in a canon). For the most part, KISS relies heavily live today on the same stuff that they were known for in the 70s - lights, smoke, fire, and blood. Fun stuff... :-) John From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Dec 7 13:30:41 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:30:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: MAGNUM / BOB CATLEY Message-ID: Thanks very much - 'twas me. I'll get updated tomorrow! Cheers, Rich. ** Llamas are related to bumblebees ** Zeitgeist wrote: > A hard drive trashed my address book and I promised someone with a > Magnum > web site a link to my review. Well it's at > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/zeitgeist/decrev.html#BOB > CATLEY > > Regards, > > Z > > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 12:36:06 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:36:06 EDT Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <199812071817.NAA02735@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > And, like you say, "gimmicky, but entertaining". Sometimes I think folks > who have "sophisticated" tastes (e.g., being a BOC fan), fail to miss the > fact that stuff can be just downright FUN without having any deep meaning. > It's like eating Filet Mignon vs. cotton candy. > Hmm...5 Guitars, Giant mirror ball, Laser light show, BD/EB guitar sword-fight, gonzo strobe effects during Telepaths, huge flash bombs--you kids were born too late! theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Dec 7 14:00:42 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:00:42 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071747.RAA00442@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: I second that emotion! NP: Therapy? - Pleasure Death At 17:47 07/12/1998 +0000, you wrote: >Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l :-O > >Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear cilia and quit >whining you lot! > >In '92 we were still pondering the existence of some HW on CD *at all*. Now >you want them all done again ? :-) > > >cheers > > >Tim > > >ObGig: Henry Rollins @ UEA 29/11/98 > > > >> > => Yes, as soon as you get pretty much any of the old CD's onto a new stereo >> > => these days they sound like shit (Hawkind and BOC are both at fault here). >> > >> > I'm not quite sure here, but are you saying the Hawkwind EMI remasters >> > blow chunks? (They are the first Hawkwind albums.) They sound pretty >> > spiffy to me. >> >> Actually, are you ready for this one? I'm about to eat my own words, >> here (my words of a year or so ago). >> >> The EMI remasters sound "soft". There, I've said it. Basically, the >> processing software used to clean up those albums appears to have >> had the following effects: >> >> 1. It reduces hiss and general background noise >> 2. It softens the "attack" of the instruments - the string plucks >> don't sound as crisp. > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Dec 7 14:46:12 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:46:12 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071747.RAA00442@aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Dec 7, 98 05:47:42 pm Message-ID: bart writes: > > Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l :-O C'mon, it's not audiophilia until people start with the green magic markers, unidirectional wires, and putting sand in their speaker boxes. We're just talking good old sane, rational mid-fi. ;-) > Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear cilia and quit > whining you lot! Hey, I just saw the Tragically Hip a couple of weeks ago, and it was so loud it made my pants leg resonate. I was 15' from the stage, and I *wasn't* wearing earplugs. And I can *still* tell that the _Spectres_ CD is badly mastered. So, nyeah! ;-) > In '92 we were still pondering the existence of some HW on CD *at all*. Now > you want them all done again ? :-) Well, ok, they don't have to remaster _Levitation_. Yet. Steve swann at plutonia.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 7 14:00:04 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:00:04 EDT Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071946.OAA19705@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > > C'mon, it's not audiophilia until people start with the green magic > markers, unidirectional wires, and putting sand in their speaker > boxes. We're just talking good old sane, rational mid-fi. ;-) > In the analog days, it was a titanium tone-arm with gold wiring... theo From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Dec 7 15:43:44 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:43:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Hip Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > bart writes: > > > > Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l :-O > > C'mon, it's not audiophilia until people start with the green magic > markers, unidirectional wires, and putting sand in their speaker > boxes. We're just talking good old sane, rational mid-fi. ;-) > > > Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear cilia and quit > > whining you lot! > > Hey, I just saw the Tragically Hip a couple of weeks ago, and it was > so loud it made my pants leg resonate. I was 15' from the stage, and I > *wasn't* wearing earplugs. And I can *still* tell that the _Spectres_ > CD is badly mastered. So, nyeah! ;-) > Cool Stephen, im going to the Hip in February, greatest Canadian band in history in my opinion :-). The last Hip show I was at the sound level was quite high too, going to have to bring ear plugs. What song are they opening with? Still "Grace Too" I hope. Laj. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 7 14:47:02 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:47:02 +0000 Subject: Man 1999 Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:34 07/12/98 +0100, you wrote: >That was the line-up with Micky, Deke >and Terry together with Malcolm Morley and Ken Whaley >from the much missed Help Yourself....... I also have a >recording of the Helps' American Mother from the same tour - >one of the few times Man played that Malcolm Morley song. >A shame that that and another Morley song Blown Away, >which was also played on that tour, weren't also included >- that would have made it perfect. > >Steve B. I can remember "Blown Away" being a real highlight of the set on the Rhinos... tour. When we saw them on that tour, Deke had just taken delivery of a John Birch customised SG (in the trademark "zebra" colour scheme...) and it wouldn't stay in tune. Deke said "Anybody wanna buy a guitar?", needless to say, he declined my mate's shouted offer of "Twenty quid?"!!! ChrisW ObReissues: 1st 3 John Surman albums on DERAM. I understand that the whole of that label's vintage back catalogue is being reviewed for re-issue by Polygram. Free your mind & watch your ass! From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Dec 7 18:36:30 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:36:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Hip In-Reply-To: <366C3E00.5F18EC4A@dlcwest.com> from "Laj Waldner" at Dec 7, 98 02:43:44 pm Message-ID: Laj Waldner writes: > Stephen Swann wrote: > > Hey, I just saw the Tragically Hip a couple of weeks ago, and it was > > so loud it made my pants leg resonate. I was 15' from the stage, and I > > *wasn't* wearing earplugs. And I can *still* tell that the _Spectres_ > > CD is badly mastered. So, nyeah! ;-) > > Cool Stephen, im going to the Hip in February, greatest Canadian band in > history in my opinion :-). The last Hip show I was at the sound level > was quite high too, going to have to bring ear plugs. What song are they > opening with? Still "Grace Too" I hope. To be honest, I have no idea. I am unfamiliar with their material since _Fully Completely_ (now that I live in the radio wastelend of NYC/NJ). I saw the show advertised a couple of weeks before it happened, and didn't have a chance to "catch up" with their newer material beforehand, so I didn't recognise probably half of the songs. But they sounded top notch (not that I'd expect anything different). :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 7 19:08:38 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:08:38 +0000 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <7F56831C7C@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 13:36 07/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >> From: John A Swartz >> >> And, like you say, "gimmicky, but entertaining". Sometimes I think folks >> who have "sophisticated" tastes (e.g., being a BOC fan), fail to miss the >> fact that stuff can be just downright FUN without having any deep meaning. >> It's like eating Filet Mignon vs. cotton candy. >> >Hmm...5 Guitars, Giant mirror ball, Laser light show, BD/EB guitar >sword-fight, gonzo strobe effects during Telepaths, huge flash >bombs--you kids were born too late! > >theo > Absolutely - though I felt the laser show was needless gimmickry: I don't think we got the full glory here in the UK. I still get the chills thinking back to my first BOC show (Manchester FTH '76) - the biggest set of conventional lights I'd ever seen in a normal hall, and "THE JOKE'S ON YOU"!!!! - having only heard Feet/Knees I didn't know what the song was until I eventually scraped the cash together for ST. My two penn'orth on the sound quality thing: if it was recorded analogue, listen to it analogue. Remember the first rule of computing: Garbage in, garbage out. No amount of frigging around in the digital domain can change the original inherent qualities of a master tape, the only thing you can do is introduce conversion errors as you move from one domain to the other. Simple logic also tells us that any attempt at further noise reduction after the original recording is also going to have a deleterious effect: the crude example is to record to tape with dolby off & replay with dolby on - it will diminish the "noise" but you also muffle the top end. I'm another of the hair shirt guys with no tone controls, and figure that domestic equalizers are a blunt instrument at best (again, how can you improve on the original source), though they may be some help in an acoustically "hostile" environment. "CD Quality" sound is itself flawed, not enough bits, and too slow a sampling rate. 24/96 may be closer, but I think we have to wait for the storage capacity of holographic memory to really get good quality digital! Right, I'll get off me soapbox now and pine for my vinyl in a corner. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 7 20:02:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:21 -0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071747.RAA00442@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Tim recoils: > Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l :-O Poor old Steve - he goes and spends a fortune on a new stereo, and then he doesn't enjoy playing his favourite records on it! I always thought being an audiophile and being a Hawkwind fan were incompatible! :) > > Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear > cilia and quit > whining you lot! This reminds me of a certain list-member at Motorhead last year, losing a rolled-up-bog-paper earplug in the depths of his lughole, and having to fish it out with a pair of long-nosed pliers... (Nice one, Carl! :) > > ObGig: Henry Rollins @ UEA 29/11/98 Stand-up, yeah? I didn't get to see either London show - so post a review, dammit! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From als24 at CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 7 20:40:08 1998 From: als24 at CAM.AC.UK (A.L. Shefl) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:40:08 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <000001be2246$691520c0$583463c3@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Andy Gilham wibbled thusly to the assembled throng: -}Tim recoils: -}> Oh no, distressing signs of an audiophilia thread surfacing on boc-l (In a list- and music-induced frenzy) Got a problem with that? Would you deprive me of an excuse to get each recording in each extant format? Would you stop me listening to each several times for the sake of comparison and in the name of Research? Would you not have me become a Kollector, with the financial burden borne by the BOC-L immolation division at Cult Hollows? I will only worry when the audiophilia thread reaches 'youmustkeepyourtransformersunderaseparateroof' proportions. -}> Go to more gigs, forget to use earplugs, kill off some cochlear -}> cilia and quit -}> whining you lot! -} -}This reminds me of a certain list-member at Motorhead last year, losing a -}rolled-up-bog-paper earplug in the depths of his lughole, and having to fish -}it out with a pair of long-nosed pliers... (Nice one, Carl! :) I'm not at all sure Carl has surfaced on-list again. Supporting evidence includes his not volunteering, in the BOC-L musicians thread, a list of the instruments he 'doesn't' play. anna 'signed, sealed, and oversampled' shefl -- -----A.L.-Shefl,-Clare-Hall----------------------------- "In the fight between you and the world, back the world" FRANZ KAFKA --------University of Cambridge----------------------but my ideas permanent e-mail address: [my first name]ls at chiark.greenend.org.uk From tgn at GATE.NET Tue Dec 8 00:26:11 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:26:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: On Monday, December 07, 1998 7:09 PM, Chris Warburton [SMTP:desdinova at EARTHLING.NET] wrote: > At 13:36 07/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > >Hmm...5 Guitars, Giant mirror ball, Laser light show, BD/EB guitar > >sword-fight, gonzo strobe effects during Telepaths, huge flash > >bombs--you kids were born too late! > > > >theo > > > Absolutely - though I felt the laser show was needless gimmickry: I don't > think we got the full glory here in the UK. When I saw BOC at Lebanon Valley Speedway in the late 70's, I thought the laser and mirror ball was the coolest thing I had ever seen! This was a large outdoor show (Black & Blue tour?) and it seemed like we were a half a mile from the stage, but the green dots were connecting EVERYONE to the stage at that moment. Indoors, I can believe it would lose something, but at this outdoor event it was awesome. Al -- do you remember how many people were at the shows at the Speedway? It seemed like an awfully lot at the time, and both times I saw BOC there the show was fantastic. -- Tim -- Tim Northrup (TimNorthrup at CSi.Com) ICQ #3835296 From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Tue Dec 8 00:36:58 1998 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:36:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: So Much Stuff Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 10:58 AM Subject: BOC: So Much Stuff >... > >>The Subhuman was a remarkable choice to start the album, enough of a >jazzy-feel with a solid foundation in intelligent rock and roll to have >prevented the song from becoming "fusion jazz" pastiche. The drums, bass, >keyboards, vocals and lead guitar were remarkable. Everything worked. This >is one of my top three BOC songs; Astronomy (ST version) and Flaming >Telepaths are the other two. > >Oh my this is scary! How could two people feel the same way about three >songs? Are we related? > Well, I didn't want to bring this up, but we need to talk about the inheritance. ;-) Richard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 8 02:41:22 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:41:22 -0700 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > > From: John A Swartz > > > > And, like you say, "gimmicky, but entertaining". Sometimes I think folks > > who have "sophisticated" tastes (e.g., being a BOC fan), fail to miss the > > fact that stuff can be just downright FUN without having any deep meaning. > > It's like eating Filet Mignon vs. cotton candy. > > > Hmm...5 Guitars, Giant mirror ball, Laser light show, BD/EB guitar > sword-fight, gonzo strobe effects during Telepaths, huge flash > bombs--you kids were born too late! > > theo I saw KISS in their heyday, and actually remember it :) I'll actually admit that I was a teenybopper at the time-this was just after seeing my first concert on my own at about oh, 15 or so:) (I turn 37 on this coming monday. I remember an awesome show. I wasn't interested in seeing them again on their "reunion" tour.Couldn't make the time, at the time. they ended up canceling here, so there wasn't really a good chance anyhow. It sure was fun the first time, tho!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Here is my story about a day with Monster Magnet in Copenhagen! 370. MONSTER MAGNET, Ash, Backyard Babies. Stor Vega, K?benhavn 12/6/98 185 kroner What a day! Freezing outside and snow on the ground as I wait outside Vega for the band to arrive. They arrive from the hotel and I greet Ed, Jon, Tim and Joe as they get out of the van. We head into the club and Ed tells the tour manager to give me a pass for the show. This is about 4 in the afternoon. The band grabs a drink and then goes straight to the soundcheck. Tim is very busy working on getting the lighting right and the band is testing their stuff. Dave does not come to soundcheck anymore, the band said. They run thru some riffs and then finally play Evil, andpart of Temple of your Dreams, and Cage around the sun. It takes about 30 minutes. I stood at the back of the stage and recorded some of it. Evil with the roadie Coz singing was pretty cool. Ed complains that they can't get anyone to come out and sing the stooges song! I hang out with Jon, Joe and Ed and we eat some food and talk about touring, living in denmark, etc.. We are planning to go out and walk around as the band isn't playing for 5 hours. Phil, the new guitar player, is having troubles with his guitar and says 15 more minutes several times and then a hour goes by and we take off without him. As we walk down the street towards the red light district (the only place in town with places open on sunday afternoon!). They are freezing and stop and see this giant rocket, like 3 feet tall that Ed really wants to buy and set off for 350 kroner, but they don't have enough money. We did not buy it and the store was closed when we came back by and they were bummed! We continue on and are not seeing that much so decide to stop in the Spunk Bar for a drink. Ed and joe have a tuborg christmas beer (Jul ?l) and Jon a whiskey. We are sitting at a table next to some drunk swedish kids, one wearing a Powertrip t-shirt. it takes him a while to catch on who is sitting next to them. He is freaking out a bit. They traveled all the way from G?teborg (100 miles). The band has a fun time laughing and joking around and we talk about music and the swedes interupt and ask questions now and again and get some autographs. The band is really into different stuff. Jon likes BEck a lot and is writing country and western songs like Hank Williams Jr. Ed is really into 70's rock, Allman Brothers, Tommy Bolin, Cactus, etc.. Ed was still on a total high after just jamming with Gregg Allman and Gov't Mule on One Way out at the Filmore in San Francisco. I told him I would get him a copy of the show. Joe is still really into punk. After 45 minutes or so we head back and the Backyard Babies start soon. Joe and I listen to them from underneath the stage. They rock out seriously and come back thru drenched in sweat after only like 30 minutes. Crowd seem to dig them. I got to hear a few tracks off the CD in the dressing room and it sounded good. They even steal the riff for Superjudge on one track and Dave later tells me the he stole it from the Groundhogs! Ash are some really young UK punk pop band who have given the band the cold shoulder because Rob Zombie dropped off the tour and they were suppose to headline the show in the Lillie Vega and it was decided now they would combine the two gigs and they would play second. Ed and I went up to the balcony and checked out a couple of their songs and they were sort of standardish fast punky popish stuff. We were not impressed, but Ed did like the female guitar player's SG! We went back downstairs and Joe and I chatted again and he was interested in checking them out a bit so this time we watched from the backstage. The band actually play a very cool song while we watch, but Joe still hates them just from the attitude they have showed towards the band. Funny that Ash complained about having to play for an hour and they only played 45 minutes! I have a short Chat with Dave while he is preparing his voice for the show. Seems that Phil, the new guitar player was brought in mostly to boost the guitar sound as dave is really not playing much guitar these days and really being a wild front man. Well, I head off for the balcony, where I sit dead center in the first row. The balcony was closed off at this show so only roadies, bands and friends were sitting up there. The guys in Backyard babies and Ash watch the whole show and were really into it. It was great sound (very loud) and the visuals were very cool, but a bit obscured by the use of too bright of lights from the top. It is a pity as Tim had a huge screen this night and some great film clips from Apocalypse Now, the smashing skull, etc... but the band needs to use darker lights so you can see the screen more. It was kind of lost. Anyway, the band open up with a stretched out version of Atomic Clock, which I guess has been the opener for the whole tour. Ed's lead guitar was nice and loud and in your face! This seem to change depending on which guitar he played! He and Phil changed nearly every song from cool old SG's, Les Paul, stratocaster. Phil used some wierd guitars I did not really recognize. Next up is a ripping heavy version of Tractor. The crowd gives a different response to the old versus the new songs. Powertrip was up next and followed by a ballsy version of Dopes to Infinity but Ed cut the solo to short.. Living Crop Circle was cool but Dave fucked up his mic at the end of the song and you could not hear him out front even though they could hear him thru the monitors on stage. Cage around the Sun was the highlight of the show even though you could not hear Dave's vocals at all but Ed played some awesome spacey stuff with a sort of sitar like guitar. Temple of your Dreams was good but Bummer sounded really heavy and the band seem to really be into the groove. I love the flanged out guitar on Teenage Negasonic, makes it sound really spacey. The band ends the set with Space Lord. Phil's guitar sounds like it is tuned strangly to me and the opening riff sounds kind of wierd. The band can't quite get the guitar sound live that was on the studio lp. They split and this is about 70 minutes. The band hang out at the back of the stage for maybe 5 minutes. There is a constant guitar feedback going on though and it is quite loud for the audience to clap and yell over it. They come back out and rip out a 3 minute version of Kick out the Jams by MC5 and then Dave pulls out his therimon and starts making really cool spacey sounds while Ed plays the opening chords to Spine of God. The intro is maybe five minutes before Dave starts singing and they have alot of effects on his voice for this song, something I think they should do more of. They do about a 15 minute version that is pretty far out. I am not too sure what the new fans of the band thought but the old ones like myself thought it was great. I spoke to the bad afterwards and they thought that it was good show and a cool version of Spine of God, a song they look forward to as it is one of the ones that allows them to break the routine! What a fucking day!! I spoke with Dave and the rest of the guys after the show and wished them a merry christmas with their families and headed on home. I just caught the last bus as 12:19! Joe said that the band has a lot of old four track recordings of stuff that they could release some day. The next CD single will be temple of your Dreams. The record company wanted 19 Witches to be the single. Joe thinks the b-sides will be live cuts but he said that two other new cuts that have not made the record were also sitting around. They never did finish up the cover of Mistreated by the Groundhogs from the Dopes recording session. I guess that is all. The full set list is below. Glad to see a few changes from the US tours so far. Looks like they may open for Marilyn Manson early next year and then hit the Ozzfest before taking some time off and doing another record. Not likely another record will be out until the year 2000 sometime. Atomic Clock, Tractor, Powertrip, Dopes to Infinity, Living Crop Circle, Cage Around the Sun, Temple of your Dreams, Bummer, Teenage Negasonic Warhead, Space Lord Motherfucker Encore: Kickout the Jams, Spine of God scott ObCs Zetan Spore- Visitation Ob10" Porcupine Tree- Metanoia (just came today!) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Dec 8 04:01:14 1998 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:01:14 +0100 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812061629.LAA10345@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > (As a ide note, _Black Sabbath_, and _Welcome to Sky Valley_ were two > of the dozen or so test disks that I used when auditioning speakers. > It was Kyuss that revealed the sorry bass response of just about every > brand of speaker on the market these days, btw.) If you really want to test speakers on their bass respons try_The Scientific Supercake LP_by_godheadSilo_(also on cd, of course) I still haven't found speakers who can handle the sound correctly. (I was even once refused to use the cd to test speakers) The real heavy bass sound is sure to blow out any speaker set, I'm sure. --BArt From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 04:23:28 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:23:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:55:47 +0200." Message-ID: With deep unease and a sphincter clenching moment of nausea, I read Scott's message. Are you trying to tell me Rob Zombie is being replaced on the the tour with, of all things, Ash ? :-O We want Black Sunshine, not fucking Angel Interceptor. Sheesh! Tim From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Dec 7 23:48:22 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:48:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: > > Would anyone outside BOC-L shell out the moolah for *another* BOC live > > album? Especially after the King Biscuit CD comes out. Granted, it would > > be phenominal, but I can't see it happening. > > > Maybe not so strange. Judas Priest just put out a live one on CMC, > less than a year after Jugulator. I wouldn't whine if KBFH and a CMC > live one came out the same year... > > theo I'd definitely go for a CMC live disc, since it would be more up to date. However, if the King Biscuit offering contained Wings of Mercury, I guess I'd have to buy both! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Dec 7 23:48:22 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:48:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: > improve on the original source), though they may be some help in an > acoustically "hostile" environment. "CD Quality" sound is itself flawed, > not enough bits, and too slow a sampling rate. 24/96 may be closer, but I > think we have to wait for the storage capacity of holographic memory to > really get good quality digital! > > Right, I'll get off me soapbox now and pine for my vinyl in a corner. > ChrisW The owner of a record/CD shop I used to go to in the early 90s was a major supporter of vinyl. He believed that music was meant to be recorded analog, not digital, and said no CD could ever match the sound quality of a crisp, clean record. While this may be true, I stick with my CDs. For one thing, I'm not THAT much of a stickler for sound. For another thing, you've got about as much chance of seeing bigfoot as you do finding a crisp, clean record. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Dec 7 23:48:22 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 04:48:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gimmickry: was BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: All this stuff about gimmickry and stage antics got me thinking about the best damn concert I've ever seen. It was Jethro Tull in Philadelphia, 1987. The gimmick was Ian Anderson. This guy is so amazing onstage that he needs nothing but his tired, old carcass to put on an amazing show. I haven't seen him since, but at the '87 show he was perpetual motion from the opening tune to the last note of the encore. He's also a darn funny guy. Had himself wheeled onstage in a wheelchair to open the show, then when it was all over, his "nurse" brought the wheelchair back out and he collapsed into it and was wheeled away. Based on that show, this is a band I could see over and over again. -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 8 07:44:11 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:44:11 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks Message-ID: Looking at: Zones (Flicknife 1983) ----- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Utopia 84 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall Social Alliance 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall Sonic Attack 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall Dream Worker 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall Brainstorm 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall It occured to me that: Out & Intake ------------ TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Turner Point late.82 ? ? (soundcheck) Waiting for Tomorrow late.82 ? ? Solitary Mind Games late.82 ? ? Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? Coded Languages [CD] late.82 ? ? or: Acid Daze --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? might be from the same gig. Does anyone have a tape of the Bristol 82 gig to check this? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 8 07:51:40 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:51:40 GMT Subject: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:40:33 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 > >---------------------------- > >Flying Doctor ? > FD was played only on the 1st couple of gigs during the HAWKLREDS tour I wonder if this is another from Oxford 6/10/78 From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 07:55:02 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:55:02 +0000 Subject: EQ's In-Reply-To: <199812071000.FAA05972@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > >=> has pretty good dynamics, "Cult Classic" sounds GREAT! One thing I find >=> that really helps an album with low dynamics, is a good Equalizer. I >=> bought a ten band Yamaha Equalizer about a year ago, and I was really >=> surprised how much it helps. You should definitely look into buying one, >=> especially if you listen to a lot of LP's, or older albums on CD. What > >As one who keeps the "tone defeat" button on his amp pressed firmly in, >I shudder at the notion of "graphic equalisers," but I'm mellower than I >once was, and realise everything has a place, and each to his or her >own. ;-) > >I'm also firmly of the "improve at the source" philosophy of hi-fi (as >opposed to "start at the speakers and work back" prevalent counter >philosophy). So, when it comes to remastering, what is paramount, IMHO, >is working from the best available masters. Thought I'd shove my two penn'orth in here. I run Marantz separates (wish I could afford to spend more) from the mid range of the Marantz catalogue, I found that I can 'alter' the sound to suit me with this far easier than tweaking bass and treble or using tone defeat buttons, I generally drop the levels above 15k down slightly, as most of you are aware the sounds produced from about 17k are virtually inaudible by humans anyway, it gives me a mellower sound, I find that as I run my speakers on the floor (which is wood and is an upstairs flat) I get pretty mean bass response anyway so no sub for me. Most hi-fi purists would say that 'any' circuit between the source and output will lower the sound quality in some way, hence the approach some have of not even looking at amps etc which have remote controls etc. I tend to beleive that if it sounds good to me thats what I like, everybody has their own opinion. I played around with the EQ in such a way that when I run CD in 'direct' mode (no EQ) the sound is damn near identical, but appeared to lack a little depth on my reference disc. I tried it with a 'virgin vinyl' and got the same result. All i need now is about 100ukp per metre for the interconnects to make a difference. (oops, slipped into audiophile mode there). Cheers, Mark. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 8 06:57:52 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:57:52 EDT Subject: Man 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981207194702.007dba40@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > > I can remember "Blown Away" being a real highlight of the set on the > Rhinos... tour. When we saw them on that tour, Deke had just taken > delivery of a John Birch customised SG (in the trademark "zebra" colour > scheme...) and it wouldn't stay in tune. Deke said "Anybody wanna buy a > guitar?", needless to say, he declined my mate's shouted offer of "Twenty > quid?"!!! > Metalers will recognize that Tony Iommi was a famous user of Birch guitars. Anyone that is into these guitars could check out Tony's web site for lot of info... theo From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Dec 8 08:12:01 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:12:01 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks Message-ID: >might be from the same gig. Does anyone have a tape of the Bristol 82 >gig to check this? I've got the tape and I'll check it Bernhard From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 8 08:32:13 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:32:13 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:12:01 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > >might be from the same gig. Does anyone have a tape of the Bristol 82 > >gig to check this? > > > I've got the tape and I'll check it We need to check London Lewisham Odeon 1980 as well to see if Master of the Universe and Ejection on Acid Daze are from this set. Does anyone have this or other venues from this tour where both songs were performed? It's not Guildford. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Dec 8 08:35:48 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:35:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gimmickry: was BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: >All this stuff about gimmickry and stage antics got me thinking about >the best damn concert I've ever seen. It was Jethro Tull in >Philadelphia, 1987. The gimmick was Ian Anderson. > >This guy is so amazing onstage that he needs nothing but his tired, >old carcass to put on an amazing show. I haven't seen him since, but >at the '87 show he was perpetual motion from the opening tune to the >last note of the encore. He's also a darn funny guy. Had himself >wheeled onstage in a wheelchair to open the show, then when it was >all over, his "nurse" brought the wheelchair back out and he >collapsed into it and was wheeled away. Based on that show, this is a >band I could see over and over again. Unfortunately, he hasn't held up that well. Last year it was almost painful to watch and hear him, his voice wasn't well at all and it made you cringe every time he'd start a song you'd like. I don't know if it was a temporary condition (hope so).... ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 8 08:49:57 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:49:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gimmickry: was BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: Nick said >>This guy is so amazing onstage that he needs nothing but his tired, >>old carcass to put on an amazing show. I haven't seen him since, but >>at the '87 show he was perpetual motion from the opening tune to the >>last note of the encore. He's also a darn funny guy. Had himself >>wheeled onstage in a wheelchair to open the show, then when it was >>all over, his "nurse" brought the wheelchair back out and he >>collapsed into it and was wheeled away. Based on that show, this is a >>band I could see over and over again. and Andrew replied: >Unfortunately, he hasn't held up that well. Last year it was almost >painful to watch and hear him, his voice wasn't well at all and it >made you cringe every time he'd start a song you'd like. I don't >know if it was a temporary condition (hope so).... I saw Tull in '94 and '96 and his voice was shot at both shows. The closest approximation of his voice I can give is that he sounded like "a pirate." Don't get me wrong, the shows were great, especially the '94 gig, but his voice is definately not what it used to be. His flute playing, on the other hand, seems to just keep getting better and his antics are still top notch (even when recovering from a broken leg during the '96 tour...). I'd definately go see them again if I had the chance. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/24: Part two of the FW interview. ---------- >============================================ > Stone and Sea are Deep in Life > Two unalterable symbols of the world > Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion > Participants in the Power that Remains > - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 09:07:55 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:07:55 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <000001be2246$691520c0$583463c3@default> Message-ID: At 01:02 08/12/98 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Poor old Steve - he goes and spends a fortune on a new stereo, and then he >doesn't enjoy playing his favourite records on it! I always thought being >an audiophile and being a Hawkwind fan were incompatible! :) :-) The 90's disks are damn excellent, in fact. The Business Trip sounds much better on my current stereo than on my old one -- the bass is much more present. The sound on Alien 4 is superb; it really fills the room. Dave. Dave Berry, Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 09:14:14 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:14:14 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <199812071946.OAA19705@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: At 14:46 07/12/98 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >C'mon, it's not audiophilia until people start with the green magic >markers, unidirectional wires, and putting sand in their speaker >boxes. We're just talking good old sane, rational mid-fi. ;-) I'm slightly embarrased to admit that I do indeed have unidirectional speaker cables. It wasn't my fault, honest! It's just that everybody recommended Naim cables for Naim amplifiers, and they did indeed sound better. I was really surprised to find a purist firm like Naim (whose amps have no tone controls or other paraphernalia) producing unidirectional cables. I haven't tried green marker pens yet. Do you think I should? ;-). My last "tweak" was to put a paving slab under each speaker, because the floorboards are wobbly! Very hi-tech -- it cost me all of 2 quid (and did improve the sound). Dave. Dave Berry, Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 8 10:09:19 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:09:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gimmickry: was BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76562896@bpxsv.pulleyn.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, brian halligan wrote: => I saw Tull in '94 and '96 and his voice was shot at both shows. The closest => approximation of his voice I can give is that he sounded like "a pirate." => Don't get me wrong, the shows were great, especially the '94 gig, but his => voice is definately not what it used to be. His flute playing, on the other => hand, seems to just keep getting better and his antics are still top notch => (even when recovering from a broken leg during the '96 tour...). I'd => definately go see them again if I had the chance. I saw Tull at Raleigh, NC, in October this year (w/Gov't Mule opening!), and I thought the show was great! It was my first Tull gig, and much better than I'd been expecting, on account of the mighty fine, fluid playing (w/*tons* of excellent flute). I'd been worried a lot about the singing beforehand, but I'd say it was "okay" (good even) that night. It was certainly in contrast with the recorded live stuff I'd heard on, e.g., the _20 Years of Jethro Tull_ box set, which I hate, because it sounds so thin, nasal and over-theatrical (like a "pirate"). Unlike me, Ian Anderson apparently considers his singing to have improved over the years, on account of having vocal lessons, training, and such. :-) I prefer the earlier singing era, myself. But, I'd also echo what Brian said in that I'd definitely go see them again if I had the chance! It was one hell of a show. Cheers, Paul. NP: Sundial, _Other Way Out_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 8 10:14:37 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:14:37 -0800 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and tBS Message-ID: >The next CD single will be temple of your Dreams. The record company >wanted 19 Witches to be the single. They should go with the records company's choice, 19 Witches. Funny whenever I listen to this song I picture Al and tBS playing it. I dare say a tBS cover of this tune would be awesome. Ghoist in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 8 10:16:14 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:16:14 -0600 Subject: OFF: Inheritance Message-ID: Oh my this is scary! How could two people feel the same way about three songs? Are we related? > >Well, I didn't want to bring this up, but we need to talk about the >inheritance. ;-) What? Not happy with used Teletubbies? hehehehehehe Ghost in the Ruins From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 8 10:20:35 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:20:35 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981208141414.00a86330@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Dave Berry wrote: => I haven't tried green marker pens yet. Do you think I should? ;-). My => last "tweak" was to put a paving slab under each speaker, because the => floorboards are wobbly! Very hi-tech -- it cost me all of 2 quid (and did => improve the sound). Wot, no spiked speaker stands?? Btw, you did use GREEN paving slabs (or at least paving slabs edged with green marker pen), didn't you? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Iron Maiden, _A Real Dead One_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 8 10:22:18 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:22:18 -0600 Subject: BOC: Feet/Knees ...stuff Message-ID: >> And, like you say, "gimmicky, but entertaining". Sometimes I think folks >> who have "sophisticated" tastes (e.g., being a BOC fan), fail to miss the >> fact that stuff can be just downright FUN without having any deep meaning. >> No argument there. Saw Kiss in '75...flamethrowers, blood spitting the works. Thought it was very neat and the music wasn't bad either. It was a show. Now a few weeks later I catch BOC with there five guitar jam and no lasers. It was a concert. Big difference between the two I think; tho you can't go wrong going to either one. As for a CMC live BOC album, why the hell not. Let the KBFH, Mo-Fi and CMC live come out in the same year. I'll buy them all. L8er Ghost in the Ruins Todays menu for cd's at work = Nazareth - No Jive Savatage - Hall of the Mountain King (Al you gotta play Strange Wings...its so ...You!) BOC - Tyranny and Mutatuion From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Dec 8 10:37:39 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:37:39 +0000 Subject: Man 1999 Party Message-ID: > > > > I can remember "Blown Away" being a real highlight of the set on the > > > Rhinos... tour. When we saw them on that tour, Deke had just taken > > delivery of a John Birch customised SG (in the trademark "zebra" > colour > > scheme...) and it wouldn't stay in tune. Deke said "Anybody wanna > buy a > > guitar?", needless to say, he declined my mate's shouted offer of > "Twenty > > quid?"!!! > > > Metalers will recognize that Tony Iommi was a famous user of Birch > guitars. Anyone that is into these guitars could check out Tony's > web site for lot of info... > > theo I used to sell ads to John Birch during my days at The Guitar Magazine - really nice bloke. Don't forget - he made Dave Hill's Superyob guitar as well... Cheers, Rich. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 10:44:15 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:44:15 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:20 08/12/98 -0500, Paul Mather wrote: >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Dave Berry wrote: > >=> I haven't tried green marker pens yet. Do you think I should? ;-). My >=> last "tweak" was to put a paving slab under each speaker, because the >=> floorboards are wobbly! Very hi-tech -- it cost me all of 2 quid (and did >=> improve the sound). > >Wot, no spiked speaker stands?? Yes, they have spikes (though no stands -- they're floorstanders), but the actual floorboards would wobble. We live in an old tenement flat, and nothing is level or right-angled. >Btw, you did use GREEN paving slabs (or at least paving slabs edged with >green marker pen), didn't you? ;-) Of course! I thought that went without saying! ;-) Dave. Dave Berry, Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 8 09:57:26 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:57:26 EDT Subject: off: Birch guitars [no BOC/HW/tBS] In-Reply-To: <366D47C2.71DD0AC5@geocities.com> Message-ID: > From: Rich Lockwood > > theo > > I used to sell ads to John Birch during my days at The Guitar > Magazine - really nice bloke. Don't forget - he made Dave Hill's > Superyob guitar as well... > Is John still building guitars? Any idea what one would cost? Always looking... theo From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 11:00:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:00:00 GMT Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-08 16:00 >>Btw, you did use GREEN paving slabs (or at least paving slabs edged with >>green marker pen), didn't you? ;-) >Of course! I thought that went without saying! ;-) >Dave. What's all this green marker pen marlarkey? Is there some myth about using these pens to improve the sound? The only thing I can think of is if you stick one up your nose, the sudden influx of chemicals to the brain causes it to disconnect a few "reality sensors" and hey presto, not only does your hi-fi sound wonderful but even IITBOTFTBD is even one of the best albums ever made ;-) Mark np: Hawkwind, Lyceum, 13/7/80 - love that version of Dust of Time with Dave harmonising on "The Island" segment. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 8 11:55:37 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:55:37 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <3226@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 16:00 08/12/98 GMT, Mark Edmonds wrote: >What's all this green marker pen marlarkey? Is there some myth about using >these pens to improve the sound? There used to be the suggestion that you could improve the sound of a CD by drawing a green line around the edge of each CD with a marker pen. The claim was that it reduced reflections of scattered light from the laser, or some such bollocks. Speaking of pseudo-technological gizmos, in a recent copy of that "Innovations" catalog that comes free with various magazines, I saw an ad for a device that plugs into a mains socket and cleans the electricity in your home. It reminded me of the "heavy electricity" scam from "Brass Eye" (with the nasty "sodomised electrons"). If it hadn't cost so much, I'd have bought one just to see what was inside it. The only thing I can think of is if you >stick one up your nose, the sudden influx of chemicals to the brain causes >it to disconnect a few "reality sensors" and hey presto, not only does your >hi-fi sound wonderful but even IITBOTFTBD is even one of the best albums >ever made ;-) I still like IITBOTFTBD. It's one of the best ambient HW/PW/AL albums (though not as good as Spiral Realms). Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From HIJINKS at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Dec 8 12:03:18 1998 From: HIJINKS at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (HIJINKS at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:03:18 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:55:37 +0000" <3.0.5.32.19981208165537.008ef450@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: IITBOTFTBD? --tjr From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Dec 8 11:58:57 1998 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:58:57 +1000 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: > The 90's disks are damn excellent, in fact. The Business Trip sounds much > better on my current stereo than on my old one -- the bass is much more > present. The sound on Alien 4 is superb; it really fills the room. > > Dave. Totally agree, "It is the business of the future" is the best Hawkwind record to feature on a kick-arse stereo (just got hold of Dolby Surround system so am systematically going through the Hawkwind classics on it). But I think the best thing on stereo recently is Beck, but that's just a private opinion, Patrick From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Tue Dec 8 11:13:34 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:13:34 +1100 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: Bring back quadraphonic systems, I say. Dolby Surround isn't made for music (as exemplified by Emerson, Lake & Palmer's recent album with a dolby "Pictures at an Exhibition" - bodgy to say the least). QSound? Roger Waters may think he can hear the dogs barking in the next yard, but I can't. But, ahh - a true quadraphonic sound for CDs. That would be jolly nice... - Max Wilcox From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 8 12:16:54 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:16:54 -0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981208165537.008ef450@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > Speaking of pseudo-technological gizmos, in a recent copy of that > "Innovations" catalog that comes free with various magazines, I saw an ad > for a device that plugs into a mains socket and cleans the electricity in > your home. It reminded me of the "heavy electricity" scam from > "Brass Eye" > (with the nasty "sodomised electrons"). Electricity that had returned to its wild state, if I remember correctly. Sheer bloody genius. > I still like IITBOTFTBD. It's one of the best ambient HW/PW/AL albums > (though not as good as Spiral Realms). > _It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous_. The only 90's HW album I still listen to fairly regularly, as it happens! Although I usually take it off before "Techno Tropic Zone". :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Dec 8 12:52:30 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:52:30 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: from "hijinks@UTARLG.UTA.EDU" at Dec 7, 98 08:26:56 am Message-ID: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU writes: > > On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > Paul Mather writes: > > (As a ide note, _Black Sabbath_, and _Welcome to Sky Valley_ were two > > of the dozen or so test disks that I used when auditioning speakers. > > It was Kyuss that revealed the sorry bass response of just about every > > brand of speaker on the market these days, btw.) > > I made a series of introduction to heavy music tapes for my girlfriend, > and included a good bit of Kyuss among the other usual suspects. But the > Kyuss (and Fu Manchu)! She really liked and started turning it up in her > car, and after a while, her speakers started sounding funny, all woody, > muffled, and wishy-washy. Kyuss ruined her speakers! I used _Welcome to Sky Valley_, _Black Sabbath_ (Castle remaster), and Rusted Root's _Cruel Sun_ (1998 remaster) as my main test disks when checking speakers for bass response. All speakers that I tested fell down on the job, barring one brand (which not coincidentally, is what I ended up buying). The better speakers failed gracefully, by just failing to reproduce the depth and impact of the bass on those disks; the others failed by distorting horribly (I particularly remember a pair of Acoustic Energy towers, sounding desperately "boxed in" as they tried to throw the huge, volcanic bass sound of _Sky Valley_ through a pair of 5-inch "woofers". > When I hear Kyuss, it makes me wonder what early bands exploring the > possibility of bass, downtuned or not, could have done with better > recording techniques. I mean, imagine Black Sabbath Master of Reality or > Vol. 4 and Hawkwind's Doremi Fasol Latido with the kind of bass recording > techniques available now... as demonstrated by Kyuss, Fu Manchu, etc. Those early Black Sabbath albums aren't as lacking as you might suspect (especially if you've only heard the american CD releases). The Castle remasters sound absolutely crushing (and thank god, Castle didn't take the edge off their sound by trying to "clean up" the recording too much). I don't have the reissue of _Vol 4_ or _Master of Reality_ yet, but even the first album sounds *really* good, and I don't mean "really good, considering its age", either. Steve swann at plutonia.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Dec 8 13:18:16 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:18:16 -0500 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: > Bring back quadraphonic systems, I say. Dolby Surround isn't made >for music (as exemplified by Emerson, Lake & Palmer's recent album with a dolby >"Pictures at an Exhibition" - bodgy to say the least). > QSound? Roger Waters may think he can hear the dogs barking in the >next yard, but I can't. Yeah, that dog in "Amused to Death" didn't seem right for me, either. But the best Q-Sounding effect CD I have does it quite well. Oddly, it was a Sega-CD game that had audio tracks that it played during the game (playable on standard cd player by skipping track 1), Ecco the Dolphin. Before anyone goes any further, it came for free when I bought a SegaCDX a couple years ago. Not the kind of thing I would normally listen to, but the immersion effect was great, and for the people into that kind of thing kind of new-agey but with a watery feel, very appropos for the game, dates back about 3-5 years.... As far as positional audio, I recently got an A3D sound card which is great in its demos at doing full 3d with various demos and effects (and is simply incredible in Half-Life (must have), pretty good in Freespace and Battlezone as well). There's got to be a way to do this with regular audio tracks, I mean, whatever it's doing to produce that effect, at some level it's produced and fed to your speakers, so why can't that be captured? ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Dec 8 13:50:01 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:50:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: > Atomic Clock, Tractor, Powertrip, Dopes to Infinity, Living Crop Circle, > Cage Around the Sun, Temple of your Dreams, Bummer, Teenage Negasonic > Warhead, Space Lord Motherfucker > > Encore: Kickout the Jams, Spine of God Same setlist as on 12/3/98 in Tilburg/NL. Spine of God was really godly! This gig totally blew my mind, so much that I?m going to see them again this Friday in Duesseldorf. Andreas From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Dec 8 14:01:26 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:01:26 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: <199812081332.NAA07097@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi >We need to check London Lewisham Odeon 1980 as well to see if Master of >the Universe and Ejection on Acid Daze are from this set. Does anyone >have this or other venues from this tour where both songs were performed? >It's not Guildford. I've checked (with kind help from a friend) the Bristol 82 and the Lewisham 80 tapes with the ZONES stuff. They are identical! Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 8 14:16:31 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:16:31 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:01:26 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > >We need to check London Lewisham Odeon 1980 as well to see if Master of > >the Universe and Ejection on Acid Daze are from this set. Does anyone > >have this or other venues from this tour where both songs were performed? > >It's not Guildford. > > I've checked (with kind help from a friend) the Bristol 82 and the Lewisham > 80 tapes with the ZONES stuff. They are identical! OK, there seems a good chance those two Acid Daze tracks will also be from that gig then. > > Bernhard > FoFP From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Tue Dec 8 14:20:18 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:20:18 -0500 Subject: IITBOTFTBD query Message-ID: HIJINKS at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: > IITBOTFTBD? > > --tjr It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous. (the last line from the text on the Space Ritual album cover.) In Space we Trust, Marc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ask me about the FREE live VHS NTSC video of Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G? or just send your snail mail (land) address to: mpower at ml.com for your copy. From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Dec 8 14:24:34 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:24:34 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: <199812081916.TAA15425@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 19:16 08.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >OK, there seems a good chance those two Acid Daze tracks will also >be from that gig then. Yep! Bernhard From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Dec 8 15:25:19 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:25:19 -0600 Subject: (FWD) The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Message-ID: Sorry if this is old news, but I have been out of touch for the last month. I received the following e-mail, containing a reference to a new Hawkwind tracks (actually, one is a cover of a Pink Floyd track) to be released. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:05:30 -0500 From: Vernon Fitch Subject: The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Greetings! It is with great pleasure that I announce the publication of my new book, The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia. I will be doing various of promos about the book, explaining some of the numerous areas and research projects that I covered. But I thought you would be particularly interested to hear about the very special CD that is included with the book. During the writing of The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia, it was decided to include a CD with the book. And since the Encyclopedia encompasses the various bands and musicians that Pink Floyd members have been involved with in session work over the years, we thought that it would be particularly interesting to have one of the bands that has played with a Pink Floyd member in the past go into the studio and record a Pink Floyd song for us. One of my favorite of these bands, and one that still encompasses the spirit of the early Pink Floyd, is Hawkwind. So Dave Brock was approached and asked if Hawkwind would go into the studio and record a version of Interstellar Overdrive for exclusive release with my book. He agreed, and Hawkwind went into Earth Studios in Devon this summer and recorded Interstellar Overdrive as well as a brand new Hawkwind song, called Hyperdrive Reprise. These two songs appear exclusively on a CD packaged with The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia. A truly exciting release. For more information on The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia, visit: The Pink Floyd Archives home page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PFArchives Think Pink, Vernon Fitch The Pink Floyd Archives ----------------------------------- The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia 456 pages includes: The Pink Floyd Reference Encyclopedia Pink Floyd concert dates Solo member concert dates Pink Floyd equipment listing an in-depth look at the Publius Enigma plus an exclusive CD of Hawkwind performing Interstellar Overdrive and Hyperdrive Reprise ISBN: 1-896522-44-0 Price: $24.95 Available now ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- I don't have any more knowledge of this except that it is being released by CG Publishing (the guys who released "The Illustrated Collector's Guide To Hawkwind" by Robert Godwin). Regards, Frank ObHavingADifficultTime: Unable to remember what day it is because I crossed 18 time zones, the international date line, and the equator during 15 flight segments within 25 days. I'm bordering on terminal jet lag! --- Mr H: Could you make me a Waldorf salad. Basil: I think we're just out of Waldorfs. ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Dec 8 15:42:22 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:42:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > > Here is my story about a day with Monster Magnet in Copenhagen! > > 370. MONSTER MAGNET, Ash, Backyard Babies. Stor Vega, K?benhavn 12/6/98 > 185 kroner > > What a day! Freezing outside and snow on the ground as I wait > outside Vega for the band to arrive. They arrive from the hotel and I greet > Ed, Jon, Tim and Joe as they get out of the van. We head into the club and > Ed tells the tour manager to give me a pass for the show. This is about 4 > in the afternoon. The band grabs a drink and then goes straight to the > soundcheck. Tim is very busy working on getting the lighting right and the > band is testing their stuff. Dave does not come to soundcheck anymore, the > band said. They run thru some riffs and then finally play Evil, andpart of > Temple of your Dreams, and Cage around the sun. It takes about 30 minutes. > I stood at the back of the stage and recorded some of it. Evil with the > roadie Coz singing was pretty cool. Ed complains that they can't get anyone > to come out and sing the stooges song! I hang out with Jon, Joe and Ed and > we eat some food and talk about touring, living in denmark, etc.. We are > planning to go out and walk around as the band isn't playing for 5 hours. > Phil, the new guitar player, is having troubles with his guitar and says 15 > more minutes several times and then a hour goes by and we take off without > him. As we walk down the street towards the red light district (the only > place in town with places open on sunday afternoon!). They are freezing and > stop and see this giant rocket, like 3 feet tall that Ed really wants to > buy and set off for 350 kroner, but they don't have enough money. We did > not buy it and the store was closed when we came back by and they were > bummed! We continue on and are not seeing that much so decide to stop in > the Spunk Bar for a drink. Ed and joe have a tuborg christmas beer (Jul ?l) > and Jon a whiskey. We are sitting at a table next to some drunk swedish > kids, one wearing a Powertrip t-shirt. it takes him a while to catch on who > is sitting next to them. He is freaking out a bit. They traveled all the > way from G?teborg (100 miles). The band has a fun time laughing and joking > around and we talk about music and the swedes interupt and ask questions > now and again and get some autographs. The band is really into different > stuff. Jon likes BEck a lot and is writing country and western songs like > Hank Williams Jr. Ed is really into 70's rock, Allman Brothers, Tommy > Bolin, Cactus, etc.. Ed was still on a total high after just jamming with > Gregg Allman and Gov't Mule on One Way out at the Filmore in San Francisco. > I told him I would get him a copy of the show. Joe is still really into > punk. After 45 minutes or so we head back and the Backyard Babies start > soon. Joe and I listen to them from underneath the stage. They rock out > seriously and come back thru drenched in sweat after only like 30 minutes. > Crowd seem to dig them. I got to hear a few tracks off the CD in the > dressing room and it sounded good. They even steal the riff for Superjudge > on one track and Dave later tells me the he stole it from the Groundhogs! > Ash are some really young UK punk pop band who have given the band the cold > shoulder because Rob Zombie dropped off the tour and they were suppose to > headline the show in the Lillie Vega and it was decided now they would > combine the two gigs and they would play second. Ed and I went up to the > balcony and checked out a couple of their songs and they were sort of > standardish fast punky popish stuff. We were not impressed, but Ed did > like the female guitar player's SG! We went back downstairs and Joe and I > chatted again and he was interested in checking them out a bit so this time > we watched from the backstage. The band actually play a very cool song > while we watch, but Joe still hates them just from the attitude they have > showed towards the band. Funny that Ash complained about having to play for > an hour and they only played 45 minutes! > > I have a short Chat with Dave while he is preparing his voice for > the show. Seems that Phil, the new guitar player was brought in mostly to > boost the guitar sound as dave is really not playing much guitar these days > and really being a wild front man. Well, I head off for the balcony, > where I sit dead center in the first row. The balcony was closed off at > this show so only roadies, bands and friends were sitting up there. The > guys in Backyard babies and Ash watch the whole show and were really into > it. It was great sound (very loud) and the visuals were very cool, but a > bit obscured by the use of too bright of lights from the top. It is a pity > as Tim had a huge screen this night and some great film clips from > Apocalypse Now, the smashing skull, etc... but the band needs to use darker > lights so you can see the screen more. It was kind of lost. Anyway, the > band open up with a stretched out version of Atomic Clock, which I guess > has been the opener for the whole tour. Ed's lead guitar was nice and loud > and in your face! This seem to change depending on which guitar he played! > He and Phil changed nearly every song from cool old SG's, Les Paul, > stratocaster. Phil used some wierd guitars I did not really recognize. > Next up is a ripping heavy version of Tractor. The crowd gives a different > response to the old versus the new songs. Powertrip was up next and > followed by a ballsy version of Dopes to Infinity but Ed cut the solo to > short.. Living Crop Circle was cool but Dave fucked up his mic at the end > of the song and you could not hear him out front even though they could > hear him thru the monitors on stage. Cage around the Sun was the highlight > of the show even though you could not hear Dave's vocals at all but Ed > played some awesome spacey stuff with a sort of sitar like guitar. Temple > of your Dreams was good but Bummer sounded really heavy and the band seem > to really be into the groove. I love the flanged out guitar on Teenage > Negasonic, makes it sound really spacey. The band ends the set with Space > Lord. Phil's guitar sounds like it is tuned strangly to me and the opening > riff sounds kind of wierd. The band can't quite get the guitar sound live > that was on the studio lp. They split and this is about 70 minutes. The > band hang out at the back of the stage for maybe 5 minutes. There is a > constant guitar feedback going on though and it is quite loud for the > audience to clap and yell over it. They come back out and rip out a 3 > minute version of Kick out the Jams by MC5 and then Dave pulls out his > therimon and starts making really cool spacey sounds while Ed plays the > opening chords to Spine of God. The intro is maybe five minutes before > Dave starts singing and they have alot of effects on his voice for this > song, something I think they should do more of. They do about a 15 minute > version that is pretty far out. I am not too sure what the new fans of the > band thought but the old ones like myself thought it was great. I spoke to > the bad afterwards and they thought that it was good show and a cool > version of Spine of God, a song they look forward to as it is one of the > ones that allows them to break the routine! What a fucking day!! I spoke > with Dave and the rest of the guys after the show and wished them a merry > christmas with their families and headed on home. I just caught the last > bus as 12:19! > > Joe said that the band has a lot of old four track recordings of > stuff that they could release some day. The next CD single will be temple > of your Dreams. The record company wanted 19 Witches to be the single. Joe > thinks the b-sides will be live cuts but he said that two other new cuts > that have not made the record were also sitting around. They never did > finish up the cover of Mistreated by the Groundhogs from the Dopes > recording session. I guess that is all. The full set list is below. Glad > to see a few changes from the US tours so far. Looks like they may open for > Marilyn Manson early next year and then hit the Ozzfest before taking some > time off and doing another record. Not likely another record will be out > until the year 2000 sometime. > > Atomic Clock, Tractor, Powertrip, Dopes to Infinity, Living Crop Circle, > Cage Around the Sun, Temple of your Dreams, Bummer, Teenage Negasonic > Warhead, Space Lord Motherfucker > > Encore: Kickout the Jams, Spine of God > > scott > > ObCs Zetan Spore- Visitation > Ob10" Porcupine Tree- Metanoia (just came today!) Great review. Bought Powertrip a while ago and was really impressed, it's great to see a band come out today that's so talented, they have a very refreshing sound. Does anybody know where to get tour dates, I would love to see them live. I was in a music store called AE entertainment yesterday with a couple friends, being Christmas the store was practically overflowing with people. they usually play an album, then display the album on the front desk, that day it was Monster Magnet's Powertrip. And when we got there, what do we hear, the opening riff to "Bummer". Needless to say when the proprietor heard the lyric "Your looking for the one who . . . ." which me and my friends were singing and laughing to, he made this incredible ten foot leap to the stop button on the stereo, it was hilarious :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Dec 8 15:48:58 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:48:58 -0600 Subject: Couldn't wait... Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > At 16:00 08/12/98 GMT, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >What's all this green marker pen marlarkey? Is there some myth about using > >these pens to improve the sound? > > There used to be the suggestion that you could improve the sound of a CD by > drawing a green line around the edge of each CD with a marker pen. The > claim was that it reduced reflections of scattered light from the laser, or > some such bollocks. > > Speaking of pseudo-technological gizmos, in a recent copy of that > "Innovations" catalog that comes free with various magazines, I saw an ad > for a device that plugs into a mains socket and cleans the electricity in > your home. It reminded me of the "heavy electricity" scam from "Brass Eye" > (with the nasty "sodomised electrons"). If it hadn't cost so much, I'd > have bought one just to see what was inside it. > > The only thing I can think of is if you > >stick one up your nose, the sudden influx of chemicals to the brain causes > >it to disconnect a few "reality sensors" and hey presto, not only does your > >hi-fi sound wonderful but even IITBOTFTBD is even one of the best albums > >ever made ;-) > > I still like IITBOTFTBD. It's one of the best ambient HW/PW/AL albums > (though not as good as Spiral Realms). > > Dave. > > Languages Group Manager. > Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. > Tel: +44 131 240 6106. While looking through the bargain bin at some music store, I found these plastic rings that you were supposed to place around your CD's, they were called Harmonic Balancers if memory serves me correctly. Supposedly since your CD's aren't balanced you get sound degradation, that these rings were supposed to fix. They were also supposed to help with skipping problems, wonder if they worked ;-). Laj. From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Dec 8 18:38:59 1998 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:38:59 -0500 Subject: IITBOTFTBD query In-Reply-To: <199812081920.OAA00959@xenon> Message-ID: At 02:20 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >HIJINKS at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: > >> IITBOTFTBD? >> >> --tjr > >It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous. > >(the last line from the text on the Space Ritual album cover.) > Which, incidentally, is stolen from Nietzsche's "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 8 15:56:47 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:56:47 +0000 Subject: Off: Rollins review In-Reply-To: <000001be2246$691520c0$583463c3@default> Message-ID: At 01:02 08/12/98 -0000, you wrote: t out with a pair of long-nosed pliers... (Nice one, Carl! :) > >> >> ObGig: Henry Rollins @ UEA 29/11/98 > >Stand-up, yeah? I didn't get to see either London show - so post a review, >dammit! :) > >- Andy See today's Grauniad ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 8 21:08:22 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:08:22 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: <199812081244.MAA23234@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I don't have it myself, but I understood 'Turner Point' was no more than the sax solo clipped from that same version of 'Social Alliance' on 'Zones'... Yours, Jon On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, M Holmes wrote: > Looking at: > > > Zones (Flicknife 1983) > ----- > > TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > Utopia 84 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall > Social Alliance 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall > Sonic Attack 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall > Dream Worker 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall > Brainstorm 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall > > > It occured to me that: > > > Out & Intake > ------------ > > TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > Turner Point late.82 ? ? (soundcheck) > Waiting for Tomorrow late.82 ? ? > Solitary Mind Games late.82 ? ? > Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? > Coded Languages [CD] late.82 ? ? > > or: > > Acid Daze > --------- > > TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? > > > > > might be from the same gig. Does anyone have a tape of the Bristol 82 > gig to check this? > > > FoFP > -- /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | |-----------------------------------------------------------| | "If only you believe, then only you will die" (Motorhead) | \-----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 8 21:31:00 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:31:00 +0000 Subject: Couldn't wait... In-Reply-To: <366D90BA.510AA35F@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > While looking through the bargain bin at some music store, I found these > plastic rings that you were supposed to place around your CD's, they > were called Harmonic Balancers if memory serves me correctly. Supposedly > since your CD's aren't balanced you get sound degradation, that these > rings were supposed to fix. They were also supposed to help with > skipping problems, wonder if they worked ;-). > > Laj. Well... sucker I may be, but I have skipping problems on my player that seem to be related to how quietly the CD is spinning, i.e. whether it's balanced or not. Whether it affects the sound I couldn't tell you - if the little bugger's skipping LR&C the quality is difficult to assess. I don't think I'll be buying any rings though. Yours, Jon -- /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | |-----------------------------------------------------------| | "If only you believe, then only you will die" (Motorhead) | \-----------------------------------------------------------/ From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Dec 8 22:59:14 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:59:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: 1976 BOC Memorandim Message-ID: Thanks to a BOC tagline I sometimes use, someone on the Minnesota Vikings mailing list sent me a memo he had from 1976 about BOC he received with an advance copy of Agents of Fortune. There was also a semi-familiar bio included that has stuff that is from Levy's liner notes, but not going as far into the future. The lines about Stony Brook, trading football for concerts, etc. is all there, though. It varies quite a bit in the second half, including stuff about why they are different than bands like Edgar Winter and MC5. If anyone wants I'll type that up in a later post. The Bio finished with quotes by Lawrence Keenan, James WolCott, Bud Scoppa, and Lester Bangs. (the guy who sentme this was named Kevin Kinney). Anyways, here is the Memo, transcribed (spelling as it was there), for the records: ====== FROM: Ron McCarrell TO: RD's, SM's, RPMM's, S's cc See Below DATE: May 12, 1976 Re: Blue Oyster Cult/"Agents of Fortune" Enclosed for your listening pleasure please find an advance pressing of the forthcoming Blue Oyster Cult album entitled "Agents of Fortune". With this new release we have a truly unique marketing opportinity to completely explode the Cult. Here's what we have going for us: First, the Cult has delivered a new album that is undoubtedly their most listenable and commercial album ever. Key cuts for FM include, "Don't Fear The Reaper", "This Ain't The Summer Of Love", and "Debbie Denise". Second, the Cult's live show is stronger and more elaborate than ever, including lazor beams lighting effects. Third, the Cult will be taking this new show on their biggest tour ever. The tour dates are included on the buyways page. Fourth, the album is packaged in one of the most stunning covers of the year, and fifth, an overall marketing plan has been developed to fully support your efforts. This marketing plan has been detailed in correspondence from Tom McGuiness; and the five market pre-release campagin was sent out by Gordon Anderson When you combine all of these positive points with the efforts and energy of Columbia field staff, there is no doubt that 1976 will be the year for the Blue Oyster Cult! (signed Ron) cc Andon, Anderson, Barton, Coffino, Craigo, Dempsey, DeVito, Eichner, Ellis, Gordon, Hood, Lundvall, McLean, McGuiness, Monteiro, newman, Oberman, Paynter, Pillot, Sherwood, Smith, Snyder. ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Dec 8 23:56:47 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:56:47 EST Subject: BOC: 1976 BOC Memorandim Message-ID: Very interesting, Andrew! If you get the time, please post the other stuff too...thanks! -Chris Baker From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Dec 9 06:45:40 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:45:40 +0200 Subject: HW:Cd Zone Message-ID: Hej, Just got the latest updates from CD Zone in the UK and was suprised to see some of the HW items offered! New Addition Hawkwind: Acid Daze (Audio CD) RRCDX1 New Addition Hawkwind: Alien 4 (Audio CD) EBSCD118 New Addition Hawkwind: Bring Me The Head Of... (Audio CD) CDCRH108 New Addition Hawkwind: Distant Horizon (Audio CD) EBSCD139 New Addition Hawkwind: Hall Of Mountain... (Audio CD) CDFA3133 New Addition Hawkwind: Live Chronicles (LP) GWSP1 New Addition Hawkwind: Palace Springs (Audio CD) GWCD104 New Addition Hawkwind: Palace Springs (LP) GWLP104 New Addition Hawkwind: Space Bandits (LP) GWLP103 New Addition Hawkwind: Spirit Of The Age (Audio CD) ELITE021CD New Addition Hawkwind: Theta Orionis (Audio CD) 199095 New Addition Hawkwind: Xenon Codex (LP) GWLP26 Several of these items are the vinyl, in which I have not seen in a while available. Also the inclusion of the bootlet Thera Orionis was a suprise! scott Ob10" On Trial- Head Ep (denmark 1998) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 9 07:49:04 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:49:04 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 19:16 08.12.98 +0000, you wrote: > >OK, there seems a good chance those two Acid Daze tracks will also >be > from that gig then. > > Yep! Is that "Yep, they are - I've checked" or "Yep, that does seem rather likely"? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 9 07:51:47 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:51:47 GMT Subject: (FWD) The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:25:19 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > Sorry if this is old news, but I have been out of touch for the last > month. I received the following e-mail, containing a reference to a new > Hawkwind tracks (actually, one is a cover of a Pink Floyd track) to be > released. I haven't had a chance to look at the book. The IO track on the CD is a pretty standard rendition with clearly hawkish presentation. The second track "Hyperdrive Reprise" starts with an industrial sound, becomes more like the first track and finishes with a reprise of the first track. FoFP From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Dec 9 08:52:12 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:52:12 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: Hawkwind live tracks Message-ID: >Is that "Yep, they are - I've checked" or "Yep, that does seem rather >likely"? I do not have this CD so I couldn't check it but I bet my left arm that these tracks are from that gig Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 9 09:28:08 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:28:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Business Message-ID: I found this quote on my Net travels... "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." Alfred North Whitehead - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 9 10:22:14 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:22:14 GMT Subject: AW: AW: Hawkwind live tracks In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:52:12 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > >Is that "Yep, they are - I've checked" or "Yep, that does seem rather > >likely"? > > I do not have this CD so I couldn't check it but I bet my left arm that > these tracks are from that gig > > Bernhard Master of the Universe is also on: L 13 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 13 Ironstrike L 13 Castle Masters Collection L 13 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 13 The Hawkwind Collection L 13 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 13 Night Riding L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 13 Acid Daze Vol. I L 13 Best of Hawkwind L 13 Space Is Deep L 13 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) (Masters of the Universe) L 13 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] World of Tiers is also on: L 3 British Tribal Music L 3 Castle Masters Collection L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 3 Acid Daze Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 3 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 9 11:01:02 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:01:02 -0600 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: >I was in a music store called AE entertainment yesterday with a couple >friends, being Christmas the store was practically overflowing with people. >they usually play an album, then display the album on the front desk, that day >it was Monster Magnet's Powertrip. And when we got there, what do we hear, >the opening riff to "Bummer". Needless to say when the proprietor heard the >lyric "Your looking for the one who . . . ." which me and my friends were >singing and laughing to, he made this incredible ten foot leap to the >stop button on the stereo, it was hilarious :-). >Laj. Howls! When I first heard it ..."Well here's one I'm not likely to hear on the radio." Good cut, Bummer. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD at work today: Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon Savatage - Wake of Magellan / Handful of Rain BOC - Secret Treaties From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Dec 9 14:18:36 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:18:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <366D8F2E.BB2D7ED5@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: At 14:42 08/12/1998 -0600, you wrote: I know its no help but I felt like a gloat! They're in Glasgow this week (Friday 11th). > >Great review. Bought Powertrip a while ago and was really impressed, >it's great to see a band come out today that's so talented, they have a >very refreshing sound. Does anybody know where to get tour dates, I >would love to see them live. I was in a music store called AE >entertainment yesterday with a couple friends, being Christmas the store >was practically overflowing with people. they usually play an album, >then display the album on the front desk, that day it was Monster >Magnet's Powertrip. And when we got there, what do we hear, the opening >riff to "Bummer". Needless to say when the proprietor heard the lyric >"Your looking for the one who . . . ." which me and my friends were >singing and laughing to, he made this incredible ten foot leap to the >stop button on the stereo, it was hilarious :-). > >Laj. > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Wed Dec 9 16:35:18 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:35:18 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <199812031625.RAA15710@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: Thanks to all who told me how to unsubscribe- it's appreciated. ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Dec 9 18:43:36 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:43:36 -0600 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Zeitgeist wrote: > > At 14:42 08/12/1998 -0600, you wrote: > I know its no help but I felt like a gloat! > > They're in Glasgow this week (Friday 11th). > > > > >Great review. Bought Powertrip a while ago and was really impressed, > >it's great to see a band come out today that's so talented, they have a > >very refreshing sound. Does anybody know where to get tour dates, I > >would love to see them live. I was in a music store called AE > >entertainment yesterday with a couple friends, being Christmas the store > >was practically overflowing with people. they usually play an album, > >then display the album on the front desk, that day it was Monster > >Magnet's Powertrip. And when we got there, what do we hear, the opening > >riff to "Bummer". Needless to say when the proprietor heard the lyric > >"Your looking for the one who . . . ." which me and my friends were > >singing and laughing to, he made this incredible ten foot leap to the > >stop button on the stereo, it was hilarious :-). > > > >Laj. > > > > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Is there a Monster Magnet tour schedule on the web? Hope they tour Canada :-). Laj. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 9 19:46:59 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:46:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <366F0B28.5AC8214E@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: => Is there a Monster Magnet tour schedule on the web? Hope they tour => Canada :-). A good site for tour dates is http://www.pollstar.com/. For Monster Magnet specific info, you could try the official Monster Magnet WWW site: http://www.amrecords.com/artists/monstermagnet/. Nothing listed right now, though. Cheers, Paul. NP: The Beatles, _Abbey Road_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET Wed Dec 9 20:14:41 1998 From: wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:14:41 -0800 Subject: BOC: Reference to BOC in 'Police Academy' movie? Message-ID: Greetings... This isn't listed in the FAQ as a 'BOC-sighting' in a movie, and I wondered if it was just my memory playing tricks or if others could verify it. I seem to recall that in some terrible movie from the early 80's--and I think it was in the first Police Academy movie though I can't be sure of this--there was a bar named 'The Blue Oyster Club.' The bar was populated with gay bikers dressed in leather, a la Eric B. Anyone know if this is a legitimate slur on BOC's good name, and why? Warrick Bell http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Dec 10 04:24:40 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:24:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reference to BOC in 'Police Academy' movie? Message-ID: The Blue Oyster Bar. How my friends laughed. Cheers, Rich. > Greetings... > > This isn't listed in the FAQ as a 'BOC-sighting' in a movie, and I > wondered if it was just my memory playing tricks or if others could > verify > it. > I seem to recall that in some terrible movie from the early 80's--and > I > think it was in the first Police Academy movie though I can't be sure > of > this--there was a bar named 'The Blue Oyster Club.' The bar was > populated > with gay bikers dressed in leather, a la Eric B. Anyone know if this > is a > legitimate slur on BOC's good name, and why? > > Warrick Bell > > > http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ > http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Dec 10 04:44:05 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:44:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: Music Videos Message-ID: Hello everyone, Some time ago, I mentioned that I was working on a Music Video DataBase project... Well, the site is now open. For those interested, you can find it here : http://members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ BTW, you'll notice the vids for BOC & Hawkwind are still missing... I do have some data in my personal database (it'll take me a while to transfer it all to the site) but I'm still missing the directors for *all* those videos... so if anyone can help with those, I'd really appreciate it :-)) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Dec 10 05:07:28 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:07:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:55 08/12/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: >They even steal the riff for Superjudge >on one track and Dave later tells me the he stole it from the Groundhogs! Which track, do you know? Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu Dec 10 06:57:11 1998 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:57:11 +1100 Subject: ADMIN: Calling Ben Cohen .... Message-ID: Ben, if you are listening, can you mail me privately (after checking all subs for 'sonique'? Thanks Paul -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (sometime in 1999) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 10 10:58:30 1998 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (Mark) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:58:30 -0000 Subject: HW FS Records. Message-ID: Hi all Heres a list of my HW records. Open to (serious/reasonable) offers on them all -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: hawklist.txt URL: From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Dec 10 12:24:55 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:24:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reference to BOC in Edinburgh was 'Police Academy' movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For most of my teenage clubbing years there was a nightclub in Edinburgh called the Blue Oyster Club (in Rose Street Lane for those Edinburgh resident listees). Godawful place with no redeeming features bar that one redeeming teenage necessity - the opposite gender, in large, available, quantities. If that wasn't your bag, you went to Fire Island, where they used to play Joan Crawford, on request on a Friday Night. Z At 17:14 09/12/1998 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings... > >This isn't listed in the FAQ as a 'BOC-sighting' in a movie, and I >wondered if it was just my memory playing tricks or if others could verify >it. >I seem to recall that in some terrible movie from the early 80's--and I >think it was in the first Police Academy movie though I can't be sure of >this--there was a bar named 'The Blue Oyster Club.' The bar was populated >with gay bikers dressed in leather, a la Eric B. Anyone know if this is a >legitimate slur on BOC's good name, and why? > >Warrick Bell > > >http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ >http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 10 16:22:48 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:22:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Live Chronicles Message-ID: Hey... About 18 months or so ago, I posted a list of a few HW CD's that I'd seen around my neighborhood for bargain prices. One of which was the Griffin 2CD issue of Live Chronicles. I offered to buy them and send them to whoever needed such item, and someone here on boc-l responded about that one in particular. But before I could get it for them, it had vanished from the store. I felt kinda bad about it...and who'da thunk there'd be other Hawkwind fans in Columbus! Anyway, today I found a reasonably-decent condition used copy of same, and wondered if that person was still here, and still interested in picking up one of these cheap. If so, contact me via e-mail (henderson.120 at osu.edu), and I'll offer it to you at cost. If I don't hear anything in a few days, I guess I'll offer it to anyone else here who might be interested. Please wait for a second posting though. That's all....Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Linus Pauling Quartet (Houston, TX) - Killing You With Rock P.S. I got an e-mail not too long ago from Rob Godwin saying that Griffin was indeed coming back to life, as early as next month. Supposedly, there will be a live CD issued containing material recorded at Strange Daze '97, but I didn't know whether it would be all Hawkwind, or a compilation of a lot of bands, like the Berg Herzburg one (which is great, by the way). Anyone know more?? From v.stephenson at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 9 19:09:04 1998 From: v.stephenson at VIRGIN.NET (v.stephenson) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:09:04 -0000 Subject: HW FS Records. Message-ID: How much for the following all together?? Zones Choose Your Masques Quark, Strangeness and Charm PXR 5 Levitation (Blue Vinyl) cheers vince -----Original Message----- From: Mark To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:33 PM Subject: HW FS Records. >Hi all >Heres a list of my HW records. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Dec 11 06:27:19 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:27:19 +0000 Subject: Off: Rollins review In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:56:47 GMT." <3.0.5.32.19981208205647.00818100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > >> ObGig: Henry Rollins @ UEA 29/11/98 > > > >Stand-up, yeah? I didn't get to see either London show - so post a review, > >dammit! :) > > > >- Andy > See today's Grauniad > ChrisW > > Free your mind & watch your ass! Since I didn't see the Grauniad, care to say whether it was positive or negative? I'm crap at reviews myself, but I thought he was on form. A fine diatribe to round off about men vs women. Women grow up, men don't. He had some valid points :-} cheers, Tim ObAussieCDBlitz: Radios Appear / Ritualism / Woe Betide / Pedestal !! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 11 06:34:53 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:34:53 -0000 Subject: Off: Rollins review In-Reply-To: <199812111127.LAA14359@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > See today's Grauniad > > ChrisW > > > > Free your mind & watch your ass! > > Since I didn't see the Grauniad, care to say whether it was positive or > negative? Very useful posting that around midnight of the day in question, Chris! :))) > I'm crap at reviews myself, but I thought he was on form. A fine > diatribe to round off about men vs women. Women grow up, men don't. He had > some valid points :-} > I enjoyed the dialogue in last week's Time Out between HR and Eddie Izzard - made me wish I'd got it together to go... oh well. > ObAussieCDBlitz: Radios Appear / Ritualism / Woe Betide / Pedestal !! > Yay! "Aloha Steve and Danno" through to "The Way You Suck Me Down"! - Andy ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 11 06:12:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:12:43 EDT Subject: Off: Rollins review In-Reply-To: <000001be24fa$450a9d20$063563c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > - Andy > > ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Yo, Andy, What's this album? When did it come out? theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 11 10:06:13 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:06:13 -0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer (was RE: Off: Rollins review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ > > Yo, Andy, > What's this album? When did it come out? > > theo > It's brand new - the title on the outside is just _LLMF_. :) 71 mins of live stuff from last year - mostly songs from his recent Epitaph albums, plus "Poison" and "Kick Out the Jams" (obBOC) from his MC5 days. Super recording, great playing, lots of free-rock instrumental breaks, vocals occasionally a little ragged but that's live for you. Recommended. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 11 11:47:40 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:47:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: Concert date 1/29 Message-ID: Don't know about the bands website but Fridays Washington Post has a schedule for Jaxx Niteclub,Springfield VA (outside of Wash. DC) BOC show on 1/29. Checked the Jaxx website but no mention there. Fates Warning is scheduled for the night after. Public Service Ghost in the Ruins From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Dec 11 12:16:33 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:16:33 -0500 Subject: BOC superbowl show... Message-ID: Apparently BOC is playing at some kind of Superbowl show in Miami the night before, 1/30, IIRC. Seeing as my beloved Vikings are looking more and more like they may be finally returning to the big show, was wondering if anyone else is planning on seeing this show? ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Dec 11 12:24:37 1998 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:24:37 -0800 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer (was RE: Off: Rollins review) Message-ID: >> > ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ >> >> Yo, Andy, >> What's this album? When did it come out? >> >> theo >> >It's brand new - the title on the outside is just _LLMF_. :) 71 mins of >live stuff from last year - mostly songs from his recent Epitaph albums, >plus "Poison" and "Kick Out the Jams" (obBOC) from his MC5 days. Super >recording, great playing, lots of free-rock instrumental breaks, vocals >occasionally a little ragged but that's live for you. Recommended. Interesting title - wonder if he's referring to the Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers' classic _LAMF_ ("Like a Motherfucker"). Johhny and Wayne joined forces in the early 80's band "Gang War", and released an album, which was re-issued a couple of years ago. It's quite good if you can find a copy. Chris Here's a fun URL: http://www.quisp.com (Yes, Space Rock's ultimate cereal icon is back, in limited markets. Just ordered my ltd. ed. Quisp wrist watch!) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 11 12:02:35 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:02:35 EDT Subject: BOC superbowl show... In-Reply-To: <199812111716.MAA07372@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > Apparently BOC is playing at some kind of Superbowl show in Miami > the night before, 1/30, IIRC. Seeing as my beloved Vikings are > looking more and more like they may be finally returning to the > big show, was wondering if anyone else is planning on seeing this > show? Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's gonna lay on 'em? theo [a Denver hater, but ya can't deny what meets the eye] From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 11 12:03:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:03:27 EDT Subject: BOC: Concert date 1/29 In-Reply-To: <199812111700.KAA17599@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Don't know about the bands website but Fridays Washington Post has a > schedule for Jaxx Niteclub,Springfield VA (outside of Wash. DC) BOC show on > 1/29. Checked the Jaxx website but no mention there. Fates Warning is > scheduled for the night after. > So, you going or what? theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Dec 11 15:08:41 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:08:41 -0500 Subject: BOC superbowl show... Message-ID: >> From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >> Apparently BOC is playing at some kind of Superbowl show in Miami >> the night before, 1/30, IIRC. Seeing as my beloved Vikings are >> looking more and more like they may be finally returning to the >> big show, was wondering if anyone else is planning on seeing this >> show? > >Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's >gonna lay on 'em? > >theo >[a Denver hater, but ya can't deny what meets the eye] They've looked vulnerable lately. I don't think either defense can stop the other's offense. ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 11 16:40:40 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:40:40 -0500 Subject: BOC superbowl show... Message-ID: >Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's >gonna lay on 'em? > The Patriots are gonna trounce 'em in the AFC final. Ol' Drew Bledsoe's gonna give 'em "The Finger". John From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 11 18:25:29 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:25:29 -0600 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Lyrics Message-ID: Forgive me if I've asked this before but does anyone know of a website that has Monster Magnet lyrics? Thanks in advance. Ghost in the Ruins From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Dec 12 00:52:13 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:52:13 -0700 Subject: HW: The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia Message-ID: For those who want to keep the CD separate from the book, in it's own case, I've made a front and back cover, which can be seen at http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/PF.htm. Just save it, print it, and insert it in your favorite jewel case. If anyone would like a larger file size version of this, e-mail me personally and let me know how big of a file you'd like, and if you'd like JPEG or bitmap. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Dec 12 10:05:11 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:05:11 EST Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer -- "Dangerous Madness" Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-11 10:07:35 EST, you write: << > > ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ Speaking of Wayne Kramer, I don't recall if I ever told the list that I had a copy of his album "Dangerous Madness". Since I'm not interested in it, the first person that replies by e-mail can have it for five bucks or a trade, or whatever... Chuck From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Dec 12 13:02:14 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:02:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: I wanna see a sea of hands- the MC5 Message-ID: Speaking of brother Wayne Kramer, On Addicted to Noise last month or so they reviewed a new live boot of the 5 which was probabl called "Starship" or sometsuch. There's also a webzine called "Perfect Sound Forever" whose featured storty for Nov. amd Dec. is the that wonderful group. Has interviews with Kramer, Davis, Tompson, Sinclair, Ben Edmonds (he's doing a book on the band, which was suppoed to be released a while ago according to the early 90's rerelease of _Kick Out the Jams_.) Good stuff! at http://www.furious.com/perfect under "articles" "They're burning all the artists," Brother Scruton ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Dec 12 13:46:30 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:46:30 +0100 Subject: HW & censorship Message-ID: >From a strange urge to find Hawkwind in NME: http://www.nme.com/scripts/frameserver.cgi?http://nme.com/main.html in NME Nov. 9, 98..... Christian ObGob: glob ---------------- COME HEAR THE BANNED In the wake of American and Australian attempts to ban MARILYN MANSON comes Smashed Hits: Banned Music Of The World from international free speech magazine Index On Censorship. Looking at the history of censorship of rock, rap and classical music, the book also includes a compilation CD of banned tracks from artists as diverse as HAWKWIND and the TIBETAN SINGING NUNS. The book ranges from an interview with exiled Kurdish musician Sivan Perwer, while South African musician JOHNNY CLEGG meets a former music censor who banned his recordings under the Apartheid regime. Tracks on the CD include Hawkwind's 'Urban Guerilla', a satire on early 70s radical chic that was released in 1972 during the week that the IRA launched a bombing campaign in London and was subsequently withdrawn; 'Two Thumbs' by Bedfordshire sound system EXODUS, who had their gear confiscated by police in what they allege was a long running campaign of harassment; 'Sorrow Tears And Blood' by FELA KUTI, a critic of the regime in Nigeria who was repeatedly jailed for his stance. The book and CD are available on November 20. See NME dated November 21 for more on this story. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. SHOULD ANY RECORDS BE BANNED? POST A MESSAGE ON ANGST From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat Dec 12 14:12:48 1998 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:12:48 -0500 Subject: HW Webpage has moved... In-Reply-To: <000001be2593$91376720$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: Hello....my Hawkwind web page has moved to: http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET Sun Dec 13 00:12:29 1998 From: wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:12:29 -0800 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Message-ID: Has anybody heard Metallica's cover of 'Astronomy' on their new Garage, Inc. double-disc? I remember reading something Albert Bouchard mentioned on this list a few years ago about how Metallica's 'Harvester of Eyes' was something of a tribute to BOC and Albert's influence on Lars's drumming. I saw the album the other day but didn't look closely enough to see Astronomy in the title list. The latest Entertainment Weekly however has a review of the album which mentions "Forgotten album tracks by Blue Oyster Cult ('Astronomy') and Black Sabbath..." As well as wondering how well the cover version works, I'm wondering whether the Secret Treaties or the Imaginos version was used. Warrick Bell http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Dec 13 03:23:19 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:23:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Message-ID: Warrick Bell wrote: > > Has anybody heard Metallica's cover of 'Astronomy' on their new > Garage, Inc. double-disc? I remember reading something Albert Bouchard > mentioned on this list a few years ago about how Metallica's 'Harvester of > Eyes' was something of a tribute to BOC and Albert's influence on Lars's > drumming. > I saw the album the other day but didn't look closely enough to see > Astronomy in the title list. The latest Entertainment Weekly however has > a review of the album which mentions "Forgotten album tracks by Blue > Oyster Cult ('Astronomy') and Black Sabbath..." > As well as wondering how well the cover version works, I'm wondering > whether the Secret Treaties or the Imaginos version was used. > > Warrick Bell > > > http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ > http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ Haven't heard it yet either, well not in entirety, but happy to say from what I heard it sounds pretty good. Now about that "Harvester of Eyes" cover of Metallica, when how and where did they do this? Did they put this on another album? I would be interested to hear Metallica cover that song, I think they would do a great job of it :-). Laj. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Dec 13 08:37:36 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:37:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ In-Reply-To: <36737977.F1F8FF95@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: At 02:23 AM 12/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >Warrick Bell wrote: >> >Haven't heard it yet either, well not in entirety, but happy to say from >what I heard it sounds pretty good. Now about that "Harvester of Eyes" I think it was actually "Harvester of Sorrow" that was intedned to be a tribute to BOC was it on "...And Justice For All"? They didnt do the other harvester, at least not on vinyl. Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 13 09:23:47 1998 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:23:47 EST Subject: Re BOC: Astronomy Message-ID: Exit Lurker Mode: I've heard about 30 seconds of it from the sample they have at CD Now (www.cdnow.com). After about 5 seconds I decided I wasn't going to like it, but by the end my mind was changed, I think the full song will be great, the energy going from the slow verse to the "hey" part was excellent. It's based on the ST version, or at least the part I heard was. Rich From wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG Sun Dec 13 10:31:29 1998 From: wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG (mjt) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:31:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Message-ID: >They didnt do the other harvester, at least not on vinyl. If I remember correctly, Garage, Inc. is a collection of *all* their covers -- thus the inclusion of the first disc, all of which had been released before... mjt -- "The bank balance was Noel Constant's share in the estate of his anarachist father. The estate had consisted principally of government bonds." -- Kurt Vonnegut, "Sirens of Titan" ICQ: 3856787 From cglass at DIGITAL.NET Sun Dec 13 13:07:57 1998 From: cglass at DIGITAL.NET (Chris Glass) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:07:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Yes, I recommend it Message-ID: Well, I did buy Garage, Inc. and much to my surprise (I'm not a big Metallica fan), I really liked what I've heard so far. Excellent "Astronomy" plus some other good stuff. I got mine on sale for $20, and it was well worth the money. Funny, but my 3 favorite versions of Astronomy are probably the least "BOCish" - Metallica's, tBS and Imaginos..... Chris From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Dec 13 13:18:36 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:18:36 -0600 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > At 02:23 AM 12/13/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Warrick Bell wrote: > >> > >Haven't heard it yet either, well not in entirety, but happy to say from > >what I heard it sounds pretty good. Now about that "Harvester of Eyes" > > I think it was actually "Harvester of Sorrow" that was intedned to be a > tribute to BOC was it on "...And Justice For All"? > They didnt do the other harvester, at least not on vinyl. > > Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa, > Jason > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Im not to familiar with Metallica's work, I have heard of the album but have never heard the song "Harvester of Sorrow". Is there any BOC references in this song? Quite possibly could be some new info for the FAQ John. Laj. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Dec 13 23:26:52 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:26:52 +0000 Subject: BOC superbowl show... Message-ID: > >Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's > >gonna lay on 'em? > > > >theo > >[a Denver hater, but ya can't deny what meets the eye] Hey, Theo, you might be a Bills fan since you're up closer to Buffalo, but where I come from it's Giants country...Ask those Broncos about it sometime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 14 05:15:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:15:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow Message-ID: I know we've got a few people up for this, so we'd better fix a meet... Angel (St Giles High St), 6.30-ish? Anyone doesn't know where that is, you cross the road outside the Astoria, walk along the few yards of Andrew Bordes St with Centrepoint on your left, and by then you should see the Angel another 50 yds or so on the right (by the churchyard). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 14 06:40:19 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:40:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:15:38 GMT." <000601be274a$b22b5500$2a2e63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy wrote - > I know we've got a few people up for this, so we'd better fix a meet... > Angel (St Giles High St), 6.30-ish? Sounds good. With 3 bands playing, when are doors open ? I hope it all finishes by 11ish or your house and whiskey come into the equation ;-) Tim NP: Diamanda Galas, _Malediction & Prayer_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 14 06:13:44 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:13:44 EDT Subject: BOC superbowl show... In-Reply-To: <199812141031.FAA11209@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > >Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's > > >gonna lay on 'em? > > > > > >theo > > >[a Denver hater, but ya can't deny what meets the eye] > > Hey, Theo, you might be a Bills fan since you're up closer to Buffalo, > but where I come from it's Giants country...Ask those Broncos about > it sometime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > --Nick Well, the scoreboard don't lie either! Good for those Giants. And Herr Shrubstaff, you are correct sir--the Broncs ARE vulnerable... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 14 07:35:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:35:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: <199812141140.LAA23089@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Sounds good. With 3 bands playing, when are doors open ? I hope it all > finishes by 11ish or your house and whiskey come into the equation ;-) > > It says doors at 7 on the ticket... the Astoria usually kicks you out before 11 (so they can get their gay nightclub started promptly :) > NP: Diamanda Galas, _Malediction & Prayer_ Bit heavy for a Monday morning, _quoi_? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Dec 14 02:56:39 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:56:39 +0000 Subject: BOC superbowl show... Message-ID: > Well, the scoreboard don't lie either! Good for those Giants. And > Herr Shrubstaff, you are correct sir--the Broncs ARE vulnerable... > > theo Yeah, really dude...what a hell of a prediction! Perfect timing, too! -- Nick From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 14 08:39:20 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:39:20 GMT Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: bart's message of Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:40:19 +0000 Message-ID: bart writes: > Andy wrote - > > > I know we've got a few people up for this, so we'd better fix a meet... > > Angel (St Giles High St), 6.30-ish? > > Sounds good. With 3 bands playing, when are doors open ? I hope it all > finishes by 11ish or your house and whiskey come into the equation ;-) And an anonymous Scot expostulates What's this whiskEy stuff??? The only acceptable drink in the world is whisky - everything else is a scurrilous insult to the nation and probably fake - Abjure it! Drink only the true Word! Yrs celticly jill Who has just discovered that some enterprising person has created a special "Scottish Parliament Whisky" in small gift packs...... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Dec 14 09:36:27 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:36:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Football (American) (was BOC superbowl show) Message-ID: >>Maybe so, but do you really want to witness the ass-kicking Denver's >>gonna lay on 'em? >> >The Patriots are gonna trounce 'em in the AFC final. Ol' Drew Bledsoe's >gonna give 'em "The Finger". > >John I have only one thing to say. And that is... J.E.T.S. Jets, Jets, Jets! No more routing for the Jets in secret for me. My battered Starter cap is going to be on prominent display. See your Patriots in two weeks, John! Brian (Jets fan since the early '80s) ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/24: Part two of the FW interview. ---------- From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Dec 14 10:17:51 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:17:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > Sounds good. With 3 bands playing, when are doors open ? I hope it all > > finishes by 11ish or your house and whiskey come into the equation ;-) > > > > > > It says doors at 7 on the ticket... the Astoria usually kicks you out > before 11 (so they can get their gay nightclub started promptly :) > Hang on, are you telling me Monstermagnet are playing in London on Tuesday 15th ???? Andy C accidentally coming to london From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 14 10:54:09 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:54:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:39:20 GMT." <199812141339.NAA24765@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > And an anonymous Scot expostulates > > What's this whiskEy stuff??? The only acceptable drink in the world is > whisky - everything else is a scurrilous insult to the nation and > probably fake - Abjure it! Drink only the true Word! whoops. Ah, Jill, yes, sorry about that. You'll be glad to know it was whisky I meant. Indeed I don't generally drink that other 'whiskey' stuff :-) Tim From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 14 11:00:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:00:52 -0800 Subject: BOC: Show at Jaxx Message-ID: Don't know about the bands website but Fridays Washington Post has a > schedule for Jaxx Niteclub,Springfield VA (outside of Wash. DC) BOC show on 1/29. Checked the Jaxx website but no mention there. Fates Warning is scheduled for the night after. > Theo>So, you going or what? Hmmm dunno yet guy. BOC has an amazing streak at Jaxx, 11 out of 12 years if this show happens. Since 1997 (the only year they have missed) BOC has been getting to Jaxx earlier and earlier each year. I mentioned the Fates Warning show the night after (like to do that one too); Dream Theater is there the end of this month and King's X returns less than a month after BOC. Gonna be a tough call but King's X is one band I must see whenever they are near me. Now if you wanna donate some ticket money hehehehehehehehehe..... Ghost in the Ruins OBCDs at work today - Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fish, The Horse That Bud Bought and At the End of The Day. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 14 11:06:20 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:06:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: <199812141554.PAA25213@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 15:54 14/12/98 +0000, bart wrote: >> And an anonymous Scot expostulates >> >> What's this whiskEy stuff??? The only acceptable drink in the world is >> whisky - everything else is a scurrilous insult to the nation and >> probably fake - Abjure it! Drink only the true Word! > >whoops. Ah, Jill, yes, sorry about that. You'll be glad to know it was whisky >I meant. Indeed I don't generally drink that other 'whiskey' stuff :-) A friend has a guide to the whiskies of the world, by someone who claims to have drunk every single one. Apart from a few scottish malts, the authors favourites are bourbons (tho' not Jack Daniels), which surprised me. If you're looking for a good whiskey (Irish variety), IMO the best is Green Spot. It's not widely available. There's a pub in Soho, London, which stocks all the Irish whiskeys. Other than that, I know it's available in the whiskey shop opposite the Dail in Dublin. It really is a good whiskey. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET Mon Dec 14 12:38:27 1998 From: wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:38:27 -0800 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ Message-ID: Uh, yeah, I meant 'Harvester of Sorrow' is a BOC-influenced song. I haven't listened to the track in years and my copy of the album is in another country so I can't see if there are any BOC references explicit in the lyrics, but from memory I don't really think there are. I doubt that there's much on the '...and Justice for All' album that's sonically akin to BOC because of that album's heavy overdubbing and layering and the fact that Metallica at that time used rather different chord structures to BOC and few to no keyboards or synths. BTW and FWIW, Metallica are really at their best when their stuff is unproduced and gritty, like most of their cover songs are. I certainly plan on getting the new "covers" album soon, and not just for the BOC either, despite having most of its contents in various forms already. Glad to hear there's a soundbite available; have to go check that out momentarily. Warrick Bell http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Dec 14 11:41:43 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:41:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dr Hasbeen and MMATT. Message-ID: Hi there! Here?s a link to one of my pages that include Dr Hasbeen and Magic Moments At Twilight Time. It will be utdated soon so for the time being you have to settle with this OK! http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60104377/uk.htm Cheers Hawkswede From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 14 13:30:44 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:30:44 -0000 Subject: OFF: Magnet London tomorrow In-Reply-To: <36752C1F.BDC70BC6@computing.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > > > Hang on, are you telling me Monstermagnet are playing in London > on Tuesday 15th ???? > Yes, double-bill with Rob Zombie (although there's a suggestion he might not show up). You might want to phone the Astoria box-office for ticket availability on 0171 434 0403. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From chip at PCC.COM Mon Dec 14 15:01:15 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:01:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica's _Astronomy_ In-Reply-To: from "Warrick Bell" at Dec 14, 98 09:38:27 am Message-ID: Warrick Bell spoke: > I haven't listened to the track in years and my copy of the album is in > another country so I can't see if there are any BOC references explicit in > the lyrics, but from memory I don't really think there are. I doubt that > there's much on the '...and Justice for All' album that's sonically akin > to BOC because of that album's heavy overdubbing and layering and the fact > that Metallica at that time used rather different chord structures to BOC > and few to no keyboards or synths. The BOC/Metallica connection is, I believe as simple as Kirk Hammett once stating that they thought the title "Harvester of Eyes" was really cool and they liked the band...so they re-used it. No real musical connection. I'm waiting for "Don't Fear the Sellout" myself. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Mon Dec 14 15:20:16 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:20:16 -0500 Subject: Silver Apples benefit for SIMEON Dec 18th 1998 The COOLER NYC Message-ID: Greetingz SpaceRockerz, SIMEON, leader of SpaceRock originators SILVER APPLES had a near-fatal accident in November. Since that time he has made a great recovery, but still has a long way to go. Medical expenses have been piling up since th accident and SIMEON's friends at THE COOLER, NYC have arranged a benefit concert to help defray his expenses. If you can come and support this event, please do. For details of Simeon's accident: For details of the Silver Apples benefit gig: Decmber 18th 1998 THE COOLER NYC 416 W.14th Street (@ 9th & 10th Ave.) New York NY 10014 BORN to GO will not be playing this event, but we shall be there offering our support and best wishes for SIMEON's speedy and full recovery. In response to several earlier queries I got: No, Silver Apples won't be playing this benefit - they are basically a duo and SIMEON's injuries pretty much count him out of performing for the time being. In Space we Trust, Marc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Send your snail mail address to mpower at ml.com for your FREE live VHS NTSC video of Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G?. http://www.uniflex.net/~borntogo/btg.html BtG website http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/borntogo for the Btg Mailing-list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/spacerockers for all things SpaceRock! From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Dec 14 16:37:51 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:37:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica a l'astronome Message-ID: Here's what Addicted to Noise sez aboot the much mentioned CD set: Just Some Cover Band ... If it's hell-bent guitar you want, don't fret. Leave it to Hammett, who stretches out on a monumental versionof "Astronomy" from the songbook of the guitar-driven riff-rock monsters Blue Oyster Cult. By Michael Snyder There comes a time in the career of a famous rock band when its members are inexorably drawn to the idea of recording some homage to their influences, or perhaps a tribute to favored colleagues. For Metallica, this was the time. Whether their music is careening like a runaway heatseeker missile or they're just working the heavy-metal stomp-and-howl, Metallica's James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, Jason Newsted and Lars Ulrich have never been anything less than tremendously agile musicians. That's a given, even when the hard-rocking quartet could get away with coasting. This two-CDcollection --over two hours of cover tunes-- might have been one of those opportunities to dash off something quick and easy. Instead, it's a chance for the band to get back to the raw-fusillade approach to music from their early Master of Puppets days, after the more recent, more polished efforts such as their self-titled, multi-platinum 1991 album. With one exception, the first disc of Garage Inc. was recorded in a recent three-and-a-half-week, post-concert tour burst. The ringer is an overly reverent, all-star version of Lynyrd Skynyrd's lament, "Tuesday's Gone," recorded for a radio broadcast. (Les Claypool of Primus, John Popper of Blues Traveler and Skynyrd's own Gary Rossington were among those sitting in on the session.) But the rest of that first disc, subtitled "New Recordings '98," takes on a panoply of material from artists that range in diversity from lumpen, prole-metal band Mercyful Fate to metal-pop cult faves the Misfits to aggro-punkers Discharge to blue-collar rocker Bob Seger. And what is truly remarkable is how comfortable Metallica sounds on most every number, despite the disparity in genres. Singer Hetfield's growl services the darkly-menacing "Lover Man" from Aussie Goth-blues maven Nick Cave.Then Hetfield turns around and taps into the sorrow of the nomadic rocker on Seger's "Turn the Page." If it's hell-bent guitar you want, don't fret.Leave it to Hammett, who stretches out on a monumental version of "Astronomy" from the songbook of the guitar-driven riff-rock monsters Blue Oyster Cult. Throughout the project, the rhythm section of bass player Newsted and drummer Ulrich hammer and thump with verve. The more metallic the composition (Diamond Head's "It's Electric," Black Sabbath's "Sabbra Cadabra"), the better they serve it up. "Whiskey in the Jar," the Gaelic traditional rearranged by '70s Irish hard-rockers Thin Lizzy, is the high point of Garage Inc. Played with passion and dynamism, it just rears back and roars. "New Recordings '98" was assembled at the Plant Studios in Sausalito, Calif., with producer Bob Rock -- a comfortable match after his work on other Metallica releases. The other disc was even easier to put together -- previously-issued Metallica covers of songs first done by artists such as speed-metal icons Motorhead ("Overkill"), anarchy-loving punk-rockers the Anti-Nowhere League ("So What"), new-wave art-punks Killing Joke ("The Wait") and -- gasp! -- the pop-eratic chart-toppers Queen ("Stone Cold Crazy"). Completists will freak over this de facto compilation of B-sides, EPs and rarities. (For instance, the Queen track was recorded for Elektra Records' 40th Anniversary anthology.) Metallica seem to have approached Garage Inc. with a spontaneity that cuts to the bone of the material. If it just happens to have an effortless feel to it, that's part of its allure. [Mon., December 14, 12:00 AM EST] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Dec 15 06:10:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:10:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Zilla news Message-ID: The dead just don't stay dead long these days... Toho studios has announced it's re-starting the Godzilla series, three years after they killed him off in Godzilla vs. Destroyer. Apparently, while Godzilla died at the end of that film, a "Godzilla Jr." morphed into a slightly smaller version of his dad. This, I'm guessing, is where the new film will pick up. It's tentatively titled "Godzilla Millenium", and it starts filming in April. From what I hear, Toho decided to do more Godzilla flicks after seeing what Hollywood did to him. Although my source on this could have mis-interpreted the news. I hear the Tri-Star Zilla was doing good box office in Japan initially...maybe it ended up doing so well that Toho decided the series was still lucrative. I kind of hope it was the former myself. : ) -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 15 12:22:08 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:22:08 GMT Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks - FAO Bernhard In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:01:26 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > >We need to check London Lewisham Odeon 1980 as well to see if Master of > >the Universe and Ejection on Acid Daze are from this set. Does anyone > >have this or other venues from this tour where both songs were performed? > >It's not Guildford. > > I've checked (with kind help from a friend) the Bristol 82 and the Lewisham > 80 tapes with the ZONES stuff. They are identical! I'd really like to confirm whether any of the following are from the Lewisham 80 or Bristol 82 gig. If you don't have the albums in question, I'd be willing to send a tape of the appropriate tracks if you would compare them to your tape. Otherwise if you;d like to send me a copy of your tape, I'll do the comparison. Here are the tracks (Relevant Codex entries follow to indicate other albums they are on): Out & Intake ------------ Waiting for Tomorrow late.82 ? ? Solitary Mind Games late.82 ? ? Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? Coded Languages [CD] late.82 ? ? The Emergency Broadcast System Samples -------------------------------------- Coded Languages ? ? ? Acid Daze --------- Masters of the Universe ? ? ? World of Tiers ? ? ? Ghost Dance L 2 Out and Intake L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] Master of the Universe L 13 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 13 Ironstrike L 13 Castle Masters Collection L 13 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 13 The Hawkwind Collection L 13 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 13 Night Riding L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 13 Acid Daze Vol. I L 13 Best of Hawkwind L 13 Space Is Deep L 13 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) (Masters of the Universe) L 13 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] World of Tiers L 3 British Tribal Music L 3 Castle Masters Collection L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 3 Acid Daze Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 3 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 15 12:15:12 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:15:12 -0800 Subject: OFF: American Football Message-ID: >Well, the scoreboard don't lie either! Good for those Giants. And >Herr Shrubstaff, you are correct sir--the Broncs ARE vulnerable... Slightly vunerable, Theo just slightly. Bronco's are better off losing now rather than going thru the pressure of playing Miami on monday night. Before the Giants game that monday nighter was hyped and huge. Now, this will give them an opportunity to rest key guys and be ready for the playoffs. Denver vs. Minnesota? Isn't this the SuperBowl Matchup from Tom Clancy's book "The Sum of All Fears"? If we start a pool I'll wager on a couple of longshots Atlanta from the NFC and NY Jets from the AFC with the Jets taking the trophy. Ghost in the Ruins From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 15 12:58:45 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:58:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: American Football Message-ID: Ghost in the Ruins ventured: >If we start a pool I'll wager on a couple of longshots Atlanta from the NFC >and NY Jets from the AFC with the Jets taking the trophy. Bless you, Ghost. That makes a Jets fan's day. Although, as a Jets fan, I can never predict they will win anything. We have to go into each game hoping for the best, but expecting the worst ;-) Brian obJet: Freeman McNeil (running back when the Jets last won 10 games, in 1985) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 15 13:31:01 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:31:01 GMT Subject: HW: The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > For those who want to keep the CD separate from the book, in it's own case, > I've made a front and back cover, which can be seen at > http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/PF.htm. Just save it, print it, > and insert it in your favorite jewel case. If anyone would like a larger > file size version of this, e-mail me personally and let me know how big of a > file you'd like, and if you'd like JPEG or bitmap. I like it! Could I have it in the best res you've got please? Send it in uuencoded format if you can since my unix mail isn't mime compliant. > Kevin Sommers Cheers FoFP From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Dec 15 13:46:27 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:46:27 -0800 Subject: BOC: Metallica a l'astronome Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:37:51 -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >Here's what Addicted to Noise sez aboot the much mentioned CD set: > Just Some Cover Band ... > By Michael Snyder [snip] >But the rest of that first disc, subtitled "New Recordings '98," takes on a >panoply of material from artists that range in diversity from lumpen, >prole-metal band Mercyful Fate to metal-pop cult faves the Misfits... The Misfits a METAL band?????!!! What is mr. Snyder smoking?!? The thought of ANY of that band's guitarists (I think they went through 3 or 4 over the years) playing a heavy metal solo (or any guitar solo of more than one note) has me in stitches! -Doug (whose band's version of "Last Caress" sounds NOTHING like Metallica) ceres at sirius.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 15 14:18:45 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:18:45 +0000 Subject: Off: Rollins review In-Reply-To: <000001be24fa$450a9d20$063563c3@default> Message-ID: Sorry I took so long to respond: At 11:34 11/12/98 -0000, you wrote: >> > See today's Grauniad >> > ChrisW >> > >> > Free your mind & watch your ass! >> >> Since I didn't see the Grauniad, care to say whether it was positive or >> negative? Very positive on the whole, the only negative comments were that he went on for too long on a couple of subjects, and I think the reviewer felt that some of the material was too Americo-centric. > >Very useful posting that around midnight of the day in question, Chris! :))) > True, but I thought that those interested might be able to scrounge up a copy from a friend/colleague/acquaintance. >> I'm crap at reviews myself, but I thought he was on form. A fine >> diatribe to round off about men vs women. Women grow up, men don't. He had >> some valid points :-} >> > >I enjoyed the dialogue in last week's Time Out between HR and Eddie Izzard - >made me wish I'd got it together to go... oh well. > The review certainly made me wish I'd been there! >> ObAussieCDBlitz: Radios Appear / Ritualism / Woe Betide / Pedestal !! >> > >Yay! "Aloha Steve and Danno" through to "The Way You Suck Me Down"! > >- Andy > >ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Live Like a Motherfucker_ > ChrisW ObNewspaper: The Grauniad (of course) Free your mind & watch your ass! From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Dec 15 16:07:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:07:04 -0500 Subject: CMC news/BOC dates and Motorhead Message-ID: BOC Tour Dates: > 12/11-12 The Warehouse Clarksville, TN > 12/18 Palace of Auburn Hills Auburn Hills, MI > 12/19 Lake Boone Club Raleigh, NC > 12/31 Club Bene South Amboy, NJ Under "New Releases For 1999" > Motorhead "live - title TBA" release date: TBA Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/24: Part two of the FW interview. ---------- From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Dec 15 14:33:28 1998 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:33:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Zilla news Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 15 December 1998 16:27 Subject: OFF: Zilla news The dead just don't stay dead long these days... Toho studios has announced it's re-starting the Godzilla series, three years after they killed him off in Godzilla vs. Destroyer. Apparently, while Godzilla died at the end of that film, a "Godzilla Jr." morphed into a slightly smaller version of his dad. This, I'm guessing, is where the new film will pick up. It's tentatively titled "Godzilla Millenium", and it starts filming in April. From what I hear, Toho decided to do more Godzilla flicks after seeing what Hollywood did to him. Although my source on this could have mis-interpreted the news. I hear the Tri-Star Zilla was doing good box office in Japan initially...maybe it ended up doing so well that Toho decided the series was still lucrative. I kind of hope it was the former myself. : ) -- Nick I read somewhere recently that as Tristar sequel was almost a certainty since although the box-office wasn't all it could've the merchandising paid off. having said that I do remember reading a while back about Godzilla Jr inheriting the mantle Godzilla Vs. Destroyer Nick Lee From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Dec 15 16:55:22 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:55:22 -0600 Subject: Heaven Forbid Japan Message-ID: Does anybody know if the Japan release of Heaven Forbid has a different album cover than the American release. I heard the Japanese cover was supposed to be the picture that's behind the CD, that woman with the staff, but don't know for sure. Are there any other differences between the two releases? Does someone know how the Holland and England releases look? Laj. From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Dec 15 17:08:35 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:08:35 -0600 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons Message-ID: hey folks, I just got my order from amazon with distant horizons, and am listening to it now. a few questions: Does track 11 (love in space) actually exist? my cd player isn't seeing a track 11, though it is listed on the track list in the liner notes. also, in said liner notes, there is a "coming soon" list with pxr5 on it. anyone know if this has come out? (ie. rereleased? -- from emergency broadcast system? ....or were they dropped from ebs? Thanks, Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 15 17:44:13 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Who needs album sales Message-ID: According to Soundscan - Kiss - Psycho Circus-9/22 Debut at #3 to date #171 310,000 Rolling Stones - No Security - 11/3 Debut at #34 to date #167 107,000 Aerosmith - A Little South of Sanity - 10/20 Debut at #12 to date #107 200,000 All are having a fgood time playing to packed arenas and stadiums. Who needs album sales. Ghost In the Ruins OBCD - Rush, Different Stages From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 15 17:58:03 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:58:03 +0000 Subject: off: Moose(s?) Message-ID: OK guys, have we been here before? http://forum2.org/moose/ ChrisW ObCD: Red Snapper/Making Bones Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 15 18:25:59 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:25:59 +0000 Subject: Heaven Forbid Japan In-Reply-To: <3676DACA.398B85F3@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: At 15:55 15/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >Does anybody know if the Japan release of Heaven Forbid has a different >album cover than the American release. I heard the Japanese cover was >supposed to be the picture that's behind the CD, that woman with the >staff, but don't know for sure. Are there any other differences between >the two releases? Does someone know how the Holland and England releases >look? > >Laj. My UK (German?) copy has a single-sided insert picture of the woman with the staff in front of the booklet. The waoman has blonde hair: I've heard that others have her with red hair. The title is in gold lettering centred across the bottom. The band's name is in black with gold drop shadows centred at the height of the hook of the Chronos/Cronos/Kronos symbol. The picture is "zoomed-out" to show the whole of the woman, as opposed to the one behind the disk which is truncated at the knees. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 15 19:16:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:16:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of denizen of chaos > Sent: 15 December 1998 22:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Distant Horizons > > > hey folks, > > I just got my order from amazon with distant horizons, and am > listening to it now. > > a few questions: > > Does track 11 (love in space) actually exist? my cd player > isn't seeing a track 11, though it is listed on the track list > in the liner notes. As I recall, the two previous tracks, 9 and 10, on the listing are combined into a single track 9 on the disc itself. > > also, in said liner notes, there is a "coming soon" list with > pxr5 on it. anyone know if this has come out? (ie. rereleased? > -- from emergency broadcast system? ....or were they dropped from > ebs? You ought to know better than to believe that stuff! :)) - Andy ObGig: Magnet/Zombie - lots o'laffs, Magnet better than Zombie, good time had by all anyway! ObBOC: on the Cardigans' current single, "My Favourite Game", there's a line that goes "my heart is black, and my body's blue". Probably a coincidence but it made my ears prick up anyway. They're from Jonkoping, don't you know. Oh yeah, Laj, the HF we get here in England has the big haired angel chick on the cover. Better than the US cover on balance. mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Dec 15 23:11:11 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:11:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Covers ofU nknown Origin Message-ID: Rooting around on www.bocfanclub.com they gots a listing of concerts that from the days of yore. There's also somewhere in bootlegland a taping of BOC doing "SOul Kitchen" at a show. Anyone know what "Candy Store-Turn Out The Red Light" is? it was played 75 -11-03 in Paris and 75-11-20 in Newcastle (yay Newcastle!)75-11-21 in Manchester (though the listing is only for Candy Store at this gig.) Any clues cultophiles? Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 16 10:43:57 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:43:57 +0800 Subject: Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does track 11 (love in space) actually exist? my cd player > isn't seeing a track 11, though it is listed on the track list > in the liner notes. > Track 11 (Love In Space) does exist. It is the track before it, Taxi for Max, which is the tricky one. It's the bit on the end of the previous track with all the funny banging noises and so on. William From wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET Wed Dec 16 10:58:28 1998 From: wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:58:28 -0800 Subject: OFF: Metallica and covers, including _Astronomy_ Message-ID: OK. Having listened to the snippet of _Astronomy_ available on the cdnow.com website, I think I'm gonna pass that one up. Granted, RealAudio doesn't do most things justice on a machine as slow as mine but still, Hetfield sounds like John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants. Not that there's anything wrong with TMBG if they're not fronting a "metal" band and trying to ruin one of my favourite songs. Perusing the other cover tracks that I've never heard before, I find Black Sabbath sounding like waaaay more like a pop group than they really should, and an abominable version of a Nick Cave song. You can't DO Nick Cave without a piano! Don't they know this??? I'm still kinda interested in hearing the _Astronomy_ track in full from off an actual disc, but until that happens I'm staying away from it. It'll be interestesting to see how sales of BOC albums change (if they do at all) as a result of this re-exposure by a band that's currently more commonly-known than BOC, at least outside of the U.S.. Warrick Bell http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 16 11:03:29 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:03:29 -0800 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Hi folks... Back on the list after a long (2 years?) absence. Its been about that long since I've seen BOC as well so I was wondering what everyone was up to these days, hence, my return to the list. I've been a BOC fan since 1974, am a (minor) contributer to the BOC FAQ and well.., enough about me.. Does Al still post here? Are the same old arguments still raging? Does EB still have his guitar too loud? Any word on going back into the studio? Will the US impeach Nix..., er, Clinton? How do you avoid static cling? How about them Broncos? Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven Forbid... I will hold off on posting my opinion, not wishing to start off on the list with anything controversial just yet. JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Dec 16 11:25:42 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:25:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <005301be290d$bd66d7e0$ed32e3a0@gcccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: At 08:03 AM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: First, welcome back. > >I've been a BOC fan since 1974, am a (minor) contributer to the BOC FAQ and >well.., enough about me.. Does Al still post here? Are the same old >arguments still raging? Does EB still have his guitar too loud? Any word on >going back into the studio? Will the US impeach Nix..., er, Clinton? How do >you avoid static cling? How about them Broncos? Answers: Occasionally. tBS are working on a 2 CD release for sometime next year.Sometimes.Don't know, but his voice is back.Nope.Not yet.Carefully.No comment. >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven >Forbid... I will hold off on posting my opinion, not wishing to start off on >the list with anything controversial just yet. Not being an old time fan, it's hard to be at the ripe old age of 23 (ha!), It's better then Revolution by Night productionwise (for the most part), lyricwise... could be better. Too much repetition for my tastes. Buck is rockin' and from what has been said recently, there are 2 covers for the disc. Yay. I feel that except for a few songs like "see you in black," "Harvest Moon," and "In Thee," the disc lacks the intensity of their previous efforts.. that commitment to rock n' roll. Ah well. So post away! Assemblin' a BRAINFAQ, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Dec 16 10:24:03 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:24:03 +0100 Subject: AW: Hawkwind live tracks - FAO Bernhard In-Reply-To: <199812151722.RAA09562@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike At 17:22 15.12.98 +0000, you wrote: >I'd really like to confirm whether any of the following are from the >Lewisham 80 or Bristol 82 gig. If you don't have the albums in >question, I'd be willing to send a tape of the appropriate tracks if you >would compare them to your tape. Otherwise if you;d like to send me a >copy of your tape, I'll do the comparison. > >Here are the tracks (Relevant Codex entries follow to indicate other >albums they are on): I'll try to do it during the x-mas time, OK ? Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 16 12:36:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:36:34 -0500 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: >Back on the list after a long (2 years?) absence. Welcome back! >Does Al still post here? Yep, on ocassion. >Are the same old arguments still raging? We don't argue here. We are a close-knit group of music fans that share a common love of BOC and Hawkwind, and all related bands. Arguing is not allowed here... ;-) >Does EB still have his guitar too loud? Nope, and he's playing more keyboards these days. >Any word on going back into the studio? Rumor has it that they will do another album for CMC, but when that will be (and what material is/will be available) is anyone's guess. >Will the US impeach Nix..., er, Clinton? I get in trouble when I post anything related to politics or religion... >How do you avoid static cling? K-Y Jelly >How about them Broncos? Wrong BOC forum... >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven Forbid... It is the best BOC album that doesn't have the name "Bouchard" written in the liner notes... I like it. It's very different from "old BOC", but at least 10 years have past, members have come and gone, and the music scene in general has changed. Expecting *Secret Treaties II* would be wrong. I like it very much, although I'm sure part of that is because I had to wait so long to get it. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 16 12:09:22 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:09:22 EDT Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <199812161736.MAA28594@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven > Forbid... > > It is the best BOC album that doesn't have the name "Bouchard" written in > the liner notes... > > I like it. It's very different from "old BOC", but at least 10 years have > past, members have come and gone, and the music scene in general has > changed. Expecting *Secret Treaties II* would be wrong. I like it very > much, although I'm sure part of that is because I had to wait so long > to get it. > Well put, oh visitor from the east. Come to think of it, even with the Bouchard brothers aboard BOC never came close to Secret Treaties II, with the possible exception of Imaginos, which wasn't even a BOC album! Considering the 10-year space between albums, HF is incredibly good. 3 songs are as good as anything the band's done, and several others are pretty good too. HM matches any song in the band's career. And remember, even with Al aboard, BOC albums [after the first 3] were always pretty spotty. Part of the band's attraction, that they'd be taking chances, and releasing stuff that had the fans scratching their heads. I was non-plussed when AoF came out, but a year later I considered it a masterpiece... theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 16 13:48:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:48:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: American Football Message-ID: >Bless you, Ghost. That makes a Jets fan's day. Although, as a Jets fan, I can never predict they will win anything. We have to go into each game hoping for the best, but expecting the worst ;-) >Brian Dude, I'm serious I like the Jets chances. Denver's not a given nor will they roll over and die, but if there is a coach capable of stealing a game in the playoffs it is Bill Parcells. Big key for the Jets is that the Defense is playing pretty much the way Bill wants it to. Who's to stop them anyway? Flutie has been magic during the regular season but Playoffs are a different animal. Miami needs to bench Marino but Jimmy will wait to the off season to take care of that. Jax will die without Brunnell; no Mark absolutely no chance. Oilers are too inconsistent. Parcell can beat Pete Carroll and the Pats with his eyes shut. Please note I make no mention of my fave team the Pittsburg Steelers as they seriously underestimated the departure of Chan Gailey on the offense. That and losing Yancy Thigpen too has crippled Kordell Stewart this year. >obJet: Freeman McNeil (running back when the Jets last won 10 games, in 1985) You know if Heart were the only criteria, Freeman would be a lock for the Hall of Fame. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Savatage, The Dungeons Are Calling From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 16 13:22:45 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:22:45 EDT Subject: OFF: American Football In-Reply-To: <199812161902.MAA06762@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." . Miami needs to bench Marino but Jimmy will wait to the > off season to take care of that. Ghost, are you into those special-blend coffee beans again? Bench a shoe-in hall of famer? What's next, pinch hitting for McGwire? Actually, the problem isn't with Dan, it's with the game plan. And I'm not even sure there's anything wrong with that. Jimmy, correctly, realizes that running offense wins Super Bowls. But Marino's been running a passing, air superiority offense all his career. Tough to change gears now. Really, you don't need a great QB to win the Super Bowl. Dallas has done it 3 times that way in recent memory, with Jimmy coaching 2 of them. I think the problem is that Dan can't accept the fact that rushing's the key. Also, Miami's ground game just hasn't been doing it like they should lately, yet now the game plan's been simplified minimizing dependence on passing. Could be disastrous in a playoff situation. Personally, I think Dan should retire. He has nothing to prove, and unless Tyrell retires in the next couple of years, Miami isn't likely to make it to another Super until Dan's career is over anyway... Jax will die without Brunnell; no Mark > absolutely no chance. Sad but true...Get well soon, Lefty! Oilers are too inconsistent. Parcell can beat Pete > Carroll and the Pats with his eyes shut. Unless the game's in Foxboro... Please note I make no mention of > my fave team the Pittsburg Steelers as they seriously underestimated the > departure of Chan Gailey on the offense. That and losing Yancy Thigpen too > has crippled Kordell Stewart this year. > Yeah, well I think Stewart has to do a big bit of growing up before he's truly a winner. His sidelines display sunday was truly bush league. But Cowher got even big time in his press conference, eh? theo From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Dec 16 14:39:31 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:39:31 -0600 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > At 08:03 AM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: > First, welcome back. > > > >I've been a BOC fan since 1974, am a (minor) contributer to the BOC FAQ and > >well.., enough about me.. Does Al still post here? Are the same old > >arguments still raging? Does EB still have his guitar too loud? Any word on > >going back into the studio? Will the US impeach Nix..., er, Clinton? How do > >you avoid static cling? How about them Broncos? > Answers: Occasionally. tBS are working on a 2 CD release for sometime next > year.Sometimes.Don't know, but his voice is back.Nope.Not yet.Carefully.No > comment. > > >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven > >Forbid... I will hold off on posting my opinion, not wishing to start off on > >the list with anything controversial just yet. > Not being an old time fan, it's hard to be at the ripe old age of 23 (ha!), > It's better then Revolution by Night productionwise (for the most part), > lyricwise... could be better. Too much repetition for my tastes. Buck is > rockin' and from what has been said recently, there are 2 covers for the > disc. Yay. I feel that except for a few songs like "see you in black," > "Harvest Moon," and "In Thee," the disc lacks the intensity of their > previous efforts.. that commitment to rock n' roll. Ah well. So post away! > > Assemblin' a BRAINFAQ, > Jason > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I was to pick three songs off of HF, they would have to be "Harvest Moon", One of Bucks greatest songs with some of the best lyrics I have ever heard. "X-Ray Eyes" a fast and feverish lick which is trademark BOC. Finally "Real World", that riff is just so good, with "Power Underneath Dispair" getting an honorary mention, aggressive riff with that very cool tempo change in the chorus. This album is probably close to the bottom lyrically, with the obvious exception "Harvest Moon", and the worst lyrically being "Hammer back". But musically I think the whole album is grand, and compared to few BOC albums that came before this one, it's nice to see them back on track, can hardly wait for the next release. I think im going to order the European release to get the other cover, wonder if the spelling of "Dispair" is different over there ;-). Laj. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 16 14:56:16 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:56:16 -0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <36780C73.345BE261@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > If I was to pick three songs off of HF, they would have to be "Harvest > Moon", One of Bucks greatest songs with some of the best lyrics I have > ever heard. "X-Ray Eyes" a fast and feverish lick which is trademark > BOC. Finally "Real World", that riff is just so good, with "Power > Underneath Dispair" getting an honorary mention, aggressive riff with > that very cool tempo change in the chorus. This album is probably close > to the bottom lyrically, with the obvious exception "Harvest Moon", and > the worst lyrically being "Hammer back". But musically I think the whole > album is grand, and compared to few BOC albums that came before this > one, it's nice to see them back on track, can hardly wait for the next > release. I think im going to order the European release to get the other > cover, wonder if the spelling of "Dispair" is different over there ;-). > Just to put a different tuppence in the hat... I thought the best numbers on HF were the no-nonsense riffing ones, "See You in Black" and "Hammer Back". Also "Power Underneath Despair", for the above reasons. I thought the duffers were "Damaged", for its derivative white-funk "uh-huh uh-huh" rhythm and the cringe-making line "I live for rock'n'roll"; "Still Burnin'" for being just weak, and "X-Ray Eyes" for an irritating chorus and lazy lyrics - "in the fifties, Ray Milland", like he couldn't really be arsed what year the film really came out, probably the fifties, no point in checking, that'll be good enough (1964 in fact). (That annoys me more than it should, maybe I'm still more anal retentive than I like to think I am :) "Harvest Moon" I liked more live than on record, and conversely, I thought "Live for Me" was no great shakes on the album but loved it live. But then I like the Cardigans so what do I know! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET Wed Dec 16 18:04:50 1998 From: wbell at TECHNO.KING.NET (Warrick Bell) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:04:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: New Godzilla Message-ID: I just spoke to a friend of mine who runs the G-Con conventions in the U.S. and who knows the Japanese guys in the rubber suits and has personal contacts in Toho. According to him, Toho has yanked Tri-Star's rights to the Godzilla name, effectively stopping the U.S. Godzillas in their tracks. Toho's "Godzilla Millenium" is slated for Japanese release on December 13, 1999. Their press release in Japan stated that their reason for pulling the Tri-Star licensing was "to make up for the mistakes of the American Godzilla." As with most of the Japanese-only Godzilla/Kaiju films, this one probably won't be "officially" released in the U.S., though high-quality tapes can be obtained from "importers," if you know where to locate such people. My friend was unable to tell me, though, if any BOC music would be in the new movie. Warrick Bell http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 16 18:10:50 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:10:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Ok, thanks all.. Its good to be back. I've been hanging on the moe. list and its full of all sorts of nonsense.. (love the band though, heard 'em? They recently covered DFTR at one of their shows..) Anyway, I tried real hard to like HF, I really did. I wanted so much to like it. However, I just can't seem to get the hang of it. "See You in Black" sounds to me just like Buck and the gang trying to be something they're not (a metal band in their 20's). "Harvest Moon", I like it.. but whats with that speed metal jam in there? Seems out of place (though it *does* rock..). Of the rest.. what can I say? It pains me but I cringe every time I hear "Hammer Back" or "Power Underneath Dispair". They seem so contrived lyrically (Sandy, where *are* you!). Still Burnin'? I don't think so, Buck. And since when does BOC write lyrics that sound like they're right off a Kiss album? (blech!) Like I find with bands like Metallica, it seems they are searching for nefarious subjects to write about only because they think they have to keep up the sinister image that they had. The results sound forced and uninspired. I focus on the lyrics I guess because they are what drew me to BOC in the first place. Musically, I suppose I can say I have no major complaints aside from what I said above and some repetition.. John, you're absolutely right. I'm looking for "Secret Treaties II" and it just ain't gonna happen. But damn it, thats what I want. Not neccesarily a step back to that musical and lyrical style but just something with the sort of impact that ST had. awww, damn, I wanna be 14 and in awe again! (Disclaimer: sorry if I sound negative.. Its just that I've been waiting for months to discuss this with fellow Culters...) JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult ----- Original Message ----- From: Laj Waldner Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:39 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! >Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >> >> At 08:03 AM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >> First, welcome back. >> > >> >I've been a BOC fan since 1974, am a (minor) contributer to the BOC FAQ and >> >well.., enough about me.. Does Al still post here? Are the same old >> >arguments still raging? Does EB still have his guitar too loud? Any word on >> >going back into the studio? Will the US impeach Nix..., er, Clinton? How do >> >you avoid static cling? How about them Broncos? >> Answers: Occasionally. tBS are working on a 2 CD release for sometime next >> year.Sometimes.Don't know, but his voice is back.Nope.Not yet.Carefully.No >> comment. >> >> >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of Heaven >> >Forbid... I will hold off on posting my opinion, not wishing to start off on >> >the list with anything controversial just yet. >> Not being an old time fan, it's hard to be at the ripe old age of 23 (ha!), >> It's better then Revolution by Night productionwise (for the most part), >> lyricwise... could be better. Too much repetition for my tastes. Buck is >> rockin' and from what has been said recently, there are 2 covers for the >> disc. Yay. I feel that except for a few songs like "see you in black," >> "Harvest Moon," and "In Thee," the disc lacks the intensity of their >> previous efforts.. that commitment to rock n' roll. Ah well. So post away! >> >> Assemblin' a BRAINFAQ, >> Jason >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." >> -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >If I was to pick three songs off of HF, they would have to be "Harvest >Moon", One of Bucks greatest songs with some of the best lyrics I have >ever heard. "X-Ray Eyes" a fast and feverish lick which is trademark >BOC. Finally "Real World", that riff is just so good, with "Power >Underneath Dispair" getting an honorary mention, aggressive riff with >that very cool tempo change in the chorus. This album is probably close >to the bottom lyrically, with the obvious exception "Harvest Moon", and >the worst lyrically being "Hammer back". But musically I think the whole >album is grand, and compared to few BOC albums that came before this >one, it's nice to see them back on track, can hardly wait for the next >release. I think im going to order the European release to get the other >cover, wonder if the spelling of "Dispair" is different over there ;-). > > >Laj. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 16 18:10:39 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:10:39 -0800 Subject: HW & censorship Message-ID: Sorry for the long post ... On, Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:46:30 +0100, christmu at EUNET.NO wrote: >>From a strange urge to find Hawkwind in NME: >http://www.nme.com/scripts/frameserver.cgi?http://nme.com/main.html in NME >Nov. 9, 98..... ... and there was another article on the same compilation in SFWeekly, who are always good for a laugh. It's at: http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/current/music2.html, or free in metal boxes around the San Francisco area. Here's some choice bits: >Banarama >Various Artists >Smashed Hits >(Index on Censorship) >By Gavin McNett >Sometimes an idea is so good that it?s hard to believe how long it took for someone to come up with it. This is certainly the case with the book and CD package on censored music just released by the international human rights magazine Index on Censorship. >But unlike the book, the CD offers a coherent -- if simplistic -- answer. Censorship, it tells us, is bad, whether it?s of Hawkwind, Fela Kuti, or the Tibetan Singing Nuns. That simple answer is easy to swallow when the music is top-notch: marvelous reggae like Eric Donaldson?s ?Stand Up? (banned on South African radio), or Fela Kuti?s ?Sorrow, Tears, and Blood? (one of the many songs that got the late Nigerian star jailed repeatedly), which also drive home the point that American soul music didn?t just disappear into a vat of syrup by the late ?70s. It had, by that point, moved its spiritual capital overseas, to dozens of Detroits and Philadelphias in the Third World. Also included are Ian Dury?s ?Spasticus Autisticus,? pulled by the BBC, and the ?agitpop? band Flannel?s parody of Oasis? ?Wonderwall?; something big and dancey by the sound-system collective Exodus (not the thrash-metal band); and a song by the North African chanteuse Malouma. And, again, Hawkwind. >I think the world would undoubtedly be a better place if most of Hawkwind?s records were banned, instead of just 1972?s ?Urban Guerilla,? yanked by the BBC for fear of IRA incitement. The band was actually pretty good at that point, being as they were a roaring proto-punk group cleverly disguised as a tribe of silly hippies. [the article first caught my eye because the first sentence in the above paragraph, up to the first comma, appears in very large print in the sidebar] >But if Menuhin would concede that Marilyn Manson and his corporate handlers are also ?harnessing the potency of music for financial gain,? and perhaps hardening youth against music (and life) in the process, then what?s the difference between Manson?s shtick and Hawkwind?s ?transgressive? radical-chic posturing in 1972? ?Urban Guerilla? was suppressed because of its casual, and undoubtedly self-serving, treatment of terrorism during an IRA campaign on the British mainland. Could it have been justifiable to ban radio play of ?Urban Guerilla? because of its label?s (United Artists) willingness to profit from the deaths of innocent civilians? ... as a friend of mine once said, "irony is often lost on children of this age." -Doug ceres at sirius.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Dec 16 18:41:31 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:41:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <001e01be2949$5350aca0$ed32e3a0@gcccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: At 03:10 PM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Ok, thanks all.. Its good to be back. I've been hanging on the moe. list and >its full of all sorts of nonsense.. (love the band though, heard 'em? They >recently covered DFTR at one of their shows..) Funny moe. story: when i was goin' to college, the radio station had moe. in the studio and they took it upon themselves to wrtie their bandname all over the studio in permanent marker. Just for that I'll never give them a listen. I loved my radio days. Even had a contest to see who could gues the number of "moe." in the studio. > >(a metal band in their 20's). "Harvest Moon", I like it.. but whats with >that speed metal jam in there? Seems out of place (though it *does* rock..). The production on the tune does not do it justice. The riff needs to sound heavier... more sinister. > >"Hammer Back" or "Power Underneath Dispair". They seem so contrived >lyrically (Sandy, where *are* you!). Still Burnin'? I don't think so, Buck. >And since when does BOC write lyrics that sound like they're right off a >Kiss album? (blech!) [HAHAHAH! For some reason I have an inexorable hatred for KISS. THeir popularity scares the heck out of me. But to each his own] Well, at least the songs aren't of the high standard set by "B O C! You can be whatever you wanna be! You got the power, we've go the key". WHatever drug altered their minds in order to let that slip past decency should be banned. >John, you're absolutely right. I'm looking for "Secret Treaties II" and it >just ain't gonna happen. But damn it, thats what I want. Not neccesarily a >step back to that musical and lyrical style but just something with the sort >of impact that ST had. For me, the closest thing to that feeling has been Box of Hammers. The way St Vitus Dance slams into being blows me away everytime. And Overture? oooooh yeah. that's the stuff. Even more than that LP though was seeing the Brain Surgeons live in Potsdam. As some of you might remember my review's enormity probably gave the enthusiasm away. I don't care what people say, rock and roll is here to stay. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Dec 16 19:05:41 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:05:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: MonsterMAGNET Does MC5 Message-ID: On the soundtrack to upcoming film "Varsity Blues," Monster Magnet covers the immortal "Kick Out the Jams." Also, Mike Watt is going to be back in the studio recording stuff soon. Fell asleep during Clinton's announcement of armed conflict, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Dec 16 19:23:35 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:23:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <36780C73.345BE261@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: At 13:39 16/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >I think im going to order the European release to get the other >cover, wonder if the spelling of "Dispair" is different over there ;-). > > >Laj. Nope...and though it's correct in the booklet, the printing on fourof the pages of my copy makes the lyrics/credits barely legible ChrisW NP: Hans Werner Henze: Barcarola per grande orchestra/CBS0-Rattle Free your mind & watch your ass! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 17 00:02:53 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:02:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <000001be292e$248234e0$762d63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: => for being just weak, and "X-Ray Eyes" for an irritating chorus and lazy => lyrics - "in the fifties, Ray Milland", like he couldn't really be arsed => what year the film really came out, probably the fifties, no point in => checking, that'll be good enough (1964 in fact). (That annoys me more than => it should, maybe I'm still more anal retentive than I like to think I am :) Maybe they stumbled over the little-known fact that, ever the perfectionist, Ray Milland rehearsed the part literally for years before he felt he had it "right enough" to do the film? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Rush, _Different Stages_ (Hammersmith disc) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Dec 17 00:31:07 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:31:07 -0600 Subject: BOC: New Godzilla Message-ID: Warrick Bell wrote: > > I just spoke to a friend of mine who runs the G-Con conventions in the > U.S. and who knows the Japanese guys in the rubber suits and has personal > contacts in Toho. > According to him, Toho has yanked Tri-Star's rights to the Godzilla name, > effectively stopping the U.S. Godzillas in their tracks. Toho's "Godzilla > Millenium" is slated for Japanese release on December 13, 1999. Their > press release in Japan stated that their reason for pulling the Tri-Star > licensing was "to make up for the mistakes of the American Godzilla." > As with most of the Japanese-only Godzilla/Kaiju films, this one probably > won't be "officially" released in the U.S., though high-quality tapes can > be obtained from "importers," if you know where to locate such people. > My friend was unable to tell me, though, if any BOC music would be in the > new movie. > > Warrick Bell > > > http://techno.king.net/~wbell/ > http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/westweb/ Since the BOC are going to do a five day tour in Japan, maybe they have a chance on getting in on that movie :-). I was a little upset when I heard that there was no "Godzilla" on the American movie, that is until I saw it. Laj. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 17 00:29:26 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:29:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: I'm listening to the Hammersmith disc of Rush's _Different Stages_ right now, and during "Working Man," Geddy drops "Watney's Red Barrel" into the lyric. Nik Turner also does this in "Utopia '84." So what's the fascination with this beer? Does (did) it even taste any good, or was this all just a cruel joke on the audience by the bands in question?... :-) Jonesin' for some Scrumpy Jack, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 17 00:51:49 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:51:49 +0900 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: The stuff used to be legendary for its popularity among students and others who wanted to drink as much as possible for as little money and possible and didn't really care if the taste was even slightly related to beer! It also used to get thrown at the stage at Donnington on a regular basis. Dave Paul Mather wrote: > > I'm listening to the Hammersmith disc of Rush's _Different Stages_ right > now, and during "Working Man," Geddy drops "Watney's Red Barrel" into > the lyric. Nik Turner also does this in "Utopia '84." > > So what's the fascination with this beer? Does (did) it even taste any > good, or was this all just a cruel joke on the audience by the bands > in question?... :-) > > Jonesin' for some Scrumpy Jack, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Dec 17 01:36:05 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:36:05 -0600 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Joseph Brooks wrote: > > Ok, thanks all.. Its good to be back. I've been hanging on the moe. list and > its full of all sorts of nonsense.. (love the band though, heard 'em? They > recently covered DFTR at one of their shows..) > > Anyway, I tried real hard to like HF, I really did. I wanted so much to like > it. However, I just can't seem to get the hang of it. "See You in Black" > sounds to me just like Buck and the gang trying to be something they're not > (a metal band in their 20's). Eric once said "Rock and Roll really keeps you young, it really does". And since they pioneered metal with songs like "The Red and the Black", I think they have more rite than any band in there 20's, well just as much rite any ways. That intro in "See You In Black" really rules, and I thought it a good song to start the album. > "Harvest Moon", I like it.. but whats with > that speed metal jam in there? Seems out of place (though it *does* rock..). Not one of Bucks best solo's, and I agree with you that the song really didn't need it. > > Of the rest.. what can I say? It pains me but I cringe every time I hear > "Hammer Back" or "Power Underneath Dispair". They seem so contrived > lyrically (Sandy, where *are* you!). Still Burnin'? I don't think so, Buck. > And since when does BOC write lyrics that sound like they're right off a > Kiss album? (blech!) Like I find with bands like Metallica, it seems they > are searching for nefarious subjects to write about only because they think > they have to keep up the sinister image that they had. The results sound > forced and uninspired. I focus on the lyrics I guess because they are what > drew me to BOC in the first place. The lyrics were mostly Shirley's, I think that's why there dark and sinister. I have never read any of Shirley's material so correct me if im wrong here, but from what I have heard his writing is very dark and sinister, and that's just showing through on his lyrics. And since there not forcing themselves to be sinister to fit a certain style, and just using a "sinister" person for lyrics, I don't think anything was forced. I still don't like this album lyrically as much as I like most of the other albums though, compared to there ability in other albums to paint such vivid pictures, and have such cool and intelligent play on words, that Heaven Forbid seems to lack in the most part. I agree with you in saying that lyrically it is no Secret Treaties, or Tyranny or S/T or Agents or Specter's or Cultosaurus or Fire of Unknown Origin. . . :-). Laj > Musically, I suppose I can say I have no major complaints aside from what I > said above and some repetition.. Not as much repetition as some hard core punk albums though :-). > John, you're absolutely right. I'm looking for "Secret Treaties II" and it > just ain't gonna happen. But damn it, thats what I want. Not neccesarily a > step back to that musical and lyrical style but just something with the sort > of impact that ST had. > > awww, damn, I wanna be 14 and in awe again! > > (Disclaimer: sorry if I sound negative.. Its just that I've been waiting for > months to discuss this with fellow Culters...) > > JB > "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish > "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster > Cult > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Dec 17 02:09:22 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:09:22 -0600 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > If I was to pick three songs off of HF, they would have to be "Harvest > > Moon", One of Bucks greatest songs with some of the best lyrics I have > > ever heard. "X-Ray Eyes" a fast and feverish lick which is trademark > > BOC. Finally "Real World", that riff is just so good, with "Power > > Underneath Dispair" getting an honorary mention, aggressive riff with > > that very cool tempo change in the chorus. This album is probably close > > to the bottom lyrically, with the obvious exception "Harvest Moon", and > > the worst lyrically being "Hammer back". But musically I think the whole > > album is grand, and compared to few BOC albums that came before this > > one, it's nice to see them back on track, can hardly wait for the next > > release. I think im going to order the European release to get the other > > cover, wonder if the spelling of "Dispair" is different over there ;-). > > > > Just to put a different tuppence in the hat... I thought the best numbers > on HF were the no-nonsense riffing ones, "See You in Black" and "Hammer > Back". >Also "Power Underneath Despair", for the above reasons. I thought > the duffers were "Damaged", for its derivative white-funk "uh-huh uh-huh" > rhythm and the cringe-making line "I live for rock'n'roll"; Have to respectfully disagree, I have always loved that song, I also think this song could put ol' BOC back in the top 40 if anybody would give it a chance, this should of been a single. I think "Damaged" has a great groove, reminiscent of "Before the Kiss" dare I say :-o. "I live for rock n roll" I had no problems with, Buck was "Born to Rock" remember ;-). >"Still Burnin'" > for being just weak, I thought this song rocked, a heavy influence and cool twist to the Beetles "I Feel Fine". > and "X-Ray Eyes" for an irritating chorus and lazy > lyrics - But I LOVE this song musically so much, what can ya do. Yes it does have a lot of repeat, maybe they wanted to drive home that X-ray eyes are bad :-). But there's one lyric that stands out; "Do not envy who sees beyond the pale" "don't look there, pluck not at natures vale" That's pretty cool. >"in the fifties, Ray Milland", like he couldn't really be arsed > what year the film really came out, probably the fifties, no point in > checking, that'll be good enough (1964 in fact). (That annoys me more than > it should, maybe I'm still more anal retentive than I like to think I am :) > Well, ya a bit of a blunder there. But as Paul said; "Maybe they stumbled over the little known fact that, ever the perfectionist, Ray Milland rehearsed the part literally for years before he felt he had it "right enough" to do the film?" Sounds good to me, sure lets use that then, hey John put that one in the FAQ ;-). > "Harvest Moon" I liked more live than on record, and conversely, I thought > "Live for Me" was no great shakes on the album but loved it live. > > But then I like the Cardigans so what do I know! :) > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham BOC has ALWAYS sounded better live, as any really great band should. Laj. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Dec 17 00:03:46 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:03:46 +0000 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: >Also interested to hear what any of you old time fans think of >Heaven Forbid... Personally, I think it was great for being their first album after a 10-year absence. But the best thing about it, in my view, is that it bodes well for the future of the band. If they can do this well after being away so long (and with a new lineup), what will they do next time...especially with the hindsight of HF...what worked, what didn't, etc. The one piece of advice I would give them is to dump Shirley's lyrics, which are not only too simplistic for this band, but also do not lend themselves easily to the rich, complex rock compositions BOC has been known for in the past. Example: The best all-around song musically on the disc is Harvest Moon, and I think a major reason for this is that it's the only tune with a lyric that has more rhythmic complexity than a limerick. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 05:14:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:14:43 -0000 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <199812171105.GAA04505@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > The best > all-around song musically on the disc is Harvest Moon, and I think a > major reason for this is that it's the only tune with a lyric that > has more rhythmic complexity than a limerick. > Well in that case, I'll look forward to the next album, provisionally entitled "There was a young man from Nantucket"... Any thoughts on the John Shirley/Panther Moderns _Red Star_ album? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Dec 17 05:21:14 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:21:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:16:48 GMT." <000001be2889$5f45e7c0$642e63c3@default> Message-ID: > ObGig: Magnet/Zombie - lots o'laffs, Magnet better than Zombie, good time > had by all anyway! Indeed, brothers & sisters, boys & girls, m-f at the Astoria! I dunno what schedule they were working to, but Magnet must have come onstage while we were quaffing beers in the Angel. Consequently we have no idea what the Backyards Babies were like. Magnet setlist was similar to Scott's review but shorter - ... Powertrip, Dopes to Infinity, Living Crop Circle, Bummer, Negasonic Warhead, Space Lord No encore ! No Spine of God !!! Zombie did his thing later, which was all well and good, but ultimately rather uniform. Like Carl said about Hellbilly Deluxe - a couple of good songs repeated 6-7 times. Even with the stage set and lighting for Zombie, I think Wyndorf's antics, how choreographed made the Magnet show more charismatic. Zombie's style is something that goes down a storm on the dancefloor in a rock club for the odd track, but a whole gig just outstays its welcome. Still, a good night nonetheless. Tim NP: _Spine of God_ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 05:31:13 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:31:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barrel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You never had Watney's Red Barrel? Weren't you around in the 70's then? Byword for crap beer (until they starting importing Budweiser, anyway!) The single biggest reason for the formation of the Campaign for Real Ale! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Dec 17 05:32:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:32:00 GMT Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-17 10:32 >I'm listening to the Hammersmith disc of Rush's _Different Stages_ right >now, and during "Working Man," Geddy drops "Watney's Red Barrel" into >the lyric. Nik Turner also does this in "Utopia '84." >So what's the fascination with this beer? Does (did) it even taste any >good, or was this all just a cruel joke on the audience by the bands >in question?... :-) >Jonesin' for some Scrumpy Jack, >Paul. I think its just regarded as being real crap beer. Monty Python made some big joke about it in some sketch about package holidays in the south of Spain and when I were a lad, most people would go around reciting this sketch from memory so I think that maybe it got into the national culture a little bit - I am sure this is why Nik quotes it. However, this of course doesn't explain why a bunch of Canadians started to quote it unless Geddy is a Python fan. What is this Rush "Different Stages" disc? The only live discs I have are All the Worlds, Exit...Stage Left and A Show of Hands and I didn't think any were recorded at Hammersmith. Is it a new official release I haven't heard about? Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 05:45:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:45:38 -0000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: <199812171021.KAA23924@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Zombie did his thing later, which was all well and good, but > ultimately rather > uniform. Like Carl said about Hellbilly Deluxe - a couple of good songs > repeated 6-7 times. Even with the stage set and lighting for > Zombie, I think > Wyndorf's antics, how choreographed made the Magnet show more charismatic. > Zombie's style is something that goes down a storm on the > dancefloor in a rock > club for the odd track, but a whole gig just outstays its welcome. Zombie lost it rather for me when he did his "any women in here? Yeah? Well, pretend we're the Backstreet Boys" bit. The idea was to get the women to scream a lot, but without really thinking about it, I just took him at face value and shouted "fuck off". Don't suppose that'll be on his live album. Still, I enjoyed the songs off of _Astro Creep 2000_, I can never remember which is which but they might have included "The Agony (Electric Head pt.1)" and/or "Supercharger Heaven". Wyndorf was excellent value though - good presence, and some great raps featuring much use of the oedipal compound noun. And he might cultivate this stoner image, but the boy obviously works out! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 06:31:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:31:30 EDT Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barrel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > I'm listening to the Hammersmith disc of Rush's _Different Stages_ right > now, and during "Working Man," Geddy drops "Watney's Red Barrel" into > the lyric. Nik Turner also does this in "Utopia '84." > > So what's the fascination with this beer? Does (did) it even taste any > good, or was this all just a cruel joke on the audience by the bands > in question?... :-) > Maybe it was drinking too much Watney's that gave him that, eh, unique [eunuch?] vocal style? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 06:39:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:39:43 EDT Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <199812171105.GAA04505@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > The one piece of advice I would give them is to dump > Shirley's lyrics, which are not only too simplistic for this band, > but also do not lend themselves easily to the rich, complex rock > compositions BOC has been known for in the past. Example: The best > all-around song musically on the disc is Harvest Moon, and I think a > major reason for this is that it's the only tune with a lyric that > has more rhythmic complexity than a limerick. > Agree with Nick here. I like some of Shirley's lyrics, and more important, I like some of the themes he explores, just that they don't seem to develop. Really, some of his lyrics sound like throwaways. And, they don't stand too tall when compared to Pearlman's stuff. Also agree that HM is the best song, and surprise, it was written by Buck. I think we just have to realize that Buck isn't a prolific songwriter. It's quality over quantity with him. I do wish he could find a collaborator to bounce song ideas off, and help come up with lyrics. I guess that's what he does with Shirley, but as I see it, JS sends Buck lyrics, and then he builds a song around them? That's what I gathered from the JS inerview... Also, since BOC tour so heavily, I wonder how much time BD has to kick back and work out song ideas? Gotta remember that these guys are older, presumably married, maybe have kids etc. As you get older, priorities shift. I know, I know: that's what retirement's for. Never said these were easy issues... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 06:44:22 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:22 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > => for being just weak, and "X-Ray Eyes" for an irritating chorus and lazy > => lyrics - "in the fifties, Ray Milland", like he couldn't really be arsed > => what year the film really came out, probably the fifties, no point in > => checking, that'll be good enough (1964 in fact). (That annoys me more than > => it should, maybe I'm still more anal retentive than I like to think I am :) > > Maybe they stumbled over the little-known fact that, ever the > perfectionist, Ray Milland rehearsed the part literally for years before > he felt he had it "right enough" to do the film? > Jeez, hasn't anyone heard of poetic license? These are rock songs fer crissakes! I think JS purposely used 'the 50s' because it's a phrase that calls to mind an older era. BTW, I just cataloged a whole book filled with continuity gaffes from the Xfiles. So I guess there's a keen interest in this kind of trainspotting... theo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Dec 17 08:57:20 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:57:20 EST Subject: BOC: New Godzilla Message-ID: I'm on a number of Godzilla newsgroups and this is half true. Toho doesn't have the right to yank the Godzilla name away from Centropolis. There will probably be two new Godzilla movies in production at the same time. I think the main driving force of Toho making another movie has to do with merchandise of the older design. Toho's version will be out in 2000 and Godzilla will be slamming Tokyo again. From what we hear on the newsgroups, the second Centropols Godzilla is already in the planning stage. chuck From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Dec 17 05:25:10 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:25:10 +0000 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: > Well in that case, I'll look forward to the next album, provisionally > entitled "There was a young man from Nantucket"... Any thoughts on the John > Shirley/Panther Moderns _Red Star_ album? > > - Andy Haven't heard it...is there any audio available on the net? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Dec 17 05:25:10 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:25:10 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Godzilla Message-ID: Hey Chuck, Any decent way to get dubbed or subtitled copies of the non-U.S.-released Godzilla movies at a manageable cost? -- Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 17 10:35:48 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:35:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr In-Reply-To: <7291@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Mark Edmonds asks: => What is this Rush "Different Stages" disc? The only live discs I have are => All the Worlds, Exit...Stage Left and A Show of Hands and I didn't think any => were recorded at Hammersmith. Is it a new official release I haven't heard => about? Yes, it's a new oficial release (released, at least here in the USA, ~November 1998). It's a double "enhanced" CD live album taken mostly from the T4E tour, but the real sweetener is the bonus 3rd CD, which is from a show recorded at the Hammersmith Odeon, London, 20th February, 1978. There's some great stuff on there, including a version of "Cygnus X-1." The 3CD set is priced as a 2CD release. I just got mine yesterday, so I've only listened to the Hammersmith disc so far. Thanks to all for answering my query about Watney's Red Barrel. I had a vague recollection from my undergraduate days that it was of poor quality, but have never tasted it myself. Cheers, Paul. PS: At last, for the first time, they've actually indexed the individual movements of "2112" (which appears at the end of disc 2). e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 17 11:11:31 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:11:31 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: I have to agree, the song you mentioned is definately worse. Kiss? My comment there was not meant as a compliment. As far as tBS and "Box of Hammers" is concerned, I haven't heard it. I bought their first CD, Epe-whatzit.. and didn't much care for it so I've been hesitant. Perhaps I'll give BoH a try. JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult ----- Original Message ----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 3:41 PM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! >At 03:10 PM 12/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Ok, thanks all.. Its good to be back. I've been hanging on the moe. list and >>its full of all sorts of nonsense.. (love the band though, heard 'em? They >>recently covered DFTR at one of their shows..) >Funny moe. story: when i was goin' to college, the radio station had moe. >in the studio and they took it upon themselves to wrtie their bandname all >over the studio in permanent marker. Just for that I'll never give them a >listen. >I loved my radio days. Even had a contest to see who could gues the number >of "moe." in the studio. >> >>(a metal band in their 20's). "Harvest Moon", I like it.. but whats with >>that speed metal jam in there? Seems out of place (though it *does* rock..). >The production on the tune does not do it justice. The riff needs to sound >heavier... more sinister. >> >>"Hammer Back" or "Power Underneath Dispair". They seem so contrived >>lyrically (Sandy, where *are* you!). Still Burnin'? I don't think so, Buck. >>And since when does BOC write lyrics that sound like they're right off a >>Kiss album? (blech!) > [HAHAHAH! For some reason I have an inexorable hatred for KISS. THeir >popularity scares the heck out of me. But to each his own] >Well, at least the songs aren't of the high standard set by "B O C! You can >be whatever you wanna be! You got the power, we've go the key". WHatever >drug altered their minds in order to let that slip past decency should be >banned. > >>John, you're absolutely right. I'm looking for "Secret Treaties II" and it >>just ain't gonna happen. But damn it, thats what I want. Not neccesarily a >>step back to that musical and lyrical style but just something with the sort >>of impact that ST had. >For me, the closest thing to that feeling has been Box of Hammers. The way >St Vitus Dance slams into being blows me away everytime. And Overture? >oooooh yeah. that's the stuff. Even more than that LP though was seeing >the Brain Surgeons live in Potsdam. As some of you might remember my >review's enormity probably gave the enthusiasm away. > >I don't care what people say, rock and roll is here to stay. >Jason > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 11:13:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:13:35 -0000 Subject: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <199812171628.LAA06330@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > thoughts on the John > > Shirley/Panther Moderns _Red Star_ album? > > > > - Andy > > Haven't heard it...is there any audio available on the net? > > -- Nick Not that I'm aware of - and afaik, it's still only available by mail order from http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley.html. I got it out of curiosity, and was rather disappointed with it, feeling it seemed unjustifiably self-important, so I wondered if I was in the mainstream or out on a limb (as usual). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Dec 17 11:33:18 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:33:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons Message-ID: >Zombie lost it rather for me when he did his "any women in here? Yeah? > Well, pretend we're the Backstreet Boys" bit. The idea was to get the > women > to scream a lot, but without really thinking about it, I just took him > at > face value and shouted "fuck off". ROTFL! Cheers, Rich. From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Dec 17 11:42:37 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:42:37 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: >Eric once said "Rock and Roll really keeps you young, it really does". >And since they pioneered metal with songs like "The Red and the Black", >I think they have more rite than any band in there 20's, well just as >much rite any ways. That intro in "See You In Black" really rules, and I >thought it a good song to start the album. It just seems so... ordinary. BOC, to me always seemed to mean metal but with a twist. This song sounds like a typical 80's hair-band throw away with EB gurgling vocals.. it doesn't suck but I still believe the boys are capable of so much better. >The lyrics were mostly Shirley's, I think that's why there dark and >sinister. I have never read any of Shirley's material so correct me if >im wrong here, but from what I have heard his writing is very dark and >sinister, and that's just showing through on his lyrics. And since there >not forcing themselves to be sinister to fit a certain style, and just >using a "sinister" person for lyrics, I don't think anything was forced. >I still don't like this album lyrically as much as I like most of the >other albums though, compared to there ability in other albums to paint I had forgotten the fact that JS was doing the lyrics (in large part). Still sounds to me as if he (JS) was trying for a certain image and failing. I've never read his fiction either and, well, I don't believe I ever will if this album is indicative of his writing style. Besides, just being adept at writing fiction does not mean you know how to write rock lyrics. >such vivid pictures, and have such cool and intelligent play on words, >that Heaven Forbid seems to lack in the most part. I agree with you in >saying that lyrically it is no Secret Treaties, or Tyranny or S/T or >Agents or Specter's or Cultosaurus or Fire of Unknown Origin. . . :-). I've missed that writing style since CE or FoUO I guess... >> Musically, I suppose I can say I have no major complaints aside from what I >> said above and some repetition.. > > >Not as much repetition as some hard core punk albums though :-). Well, of course... I generally would not compare them to those types of bands anyway. I mainly look at the band itself when it was in its prime for comparison. Also, remember, I'm a geezer.. I pre-date punk and never liked it in the first place. I don't want to have to face the fact that what I love about this band faded along with the Bouchards and Pearlman. I ain't giving up yet. JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 17 11:54:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:54:39 -0800 Subject: OFF: American Football Message-ID: . Miami needs to bench Marino but Jimmy will wait to the > off season to take care of that. >Ghost, are you into those special-blend coffee beans again? Bench a >shoe-in hall of famer? What's next, pinch hitting for McGwire? Uh no, coffee that is. I base this on what I saw Sunday Night. Danny is the real problem with that offense. Good example the high pass he threw down there on the goal line. Couple years back thats in the receivers belly before the DB's can blink. Sunday it was high towards the face mask and gave the DB's an opportunity to make a play. When a QB's arm begins to go, passes that need "mustard" start floating high. Saw a lot of this Sunday. Also recall that Marino historically had been one of the least sacked QB's. See how many times he gets up from the dirt now? Compare Sunday to Marino facing that 46 defense of the 85 Chicago Bears. That grouped mauled QB's yet they could never touch Dan that night. The release of the ball is the key, its not as quick by a long shot. >Actually, the problem isn't with Dan, it's with the game plan. And I'm not even sure there's anything wrong with that. Jimmy, correctly, realizes that running offense wins Super Bowls. But Marino's been running a passing, air superiority offense all his career. Yeah a good running game and defense wins championships and the fins have two of three. Jabbar finding it tough because 8 men are in the box. The league no longer believes Dan can beat you with his arm. >Tough to change gears now. Really, you don't need a great QB to win the Super Bowl. Dallas has done it 3 times that way in recent memory, with Jimmy coaching 2 of them. I think the problem is that Dan can't accept the fact that rushing's the key. The only team to win Superbowls without great QB's have been the Redskins 3 times and the 70 fins twice. Aikman, while not as good as a few years ago is a top QB. >Also, Miami's ground game just hasn't been doing it like they should lately, yet now the game plan's been simplified minimizing dependence on passing. Could be disastrous in a playoff situation. Personally, I think Dan should retire. He has nothing to prove, and unless Tyrell retires in the next couple of years, Miami isn't likely to make it to another Super until Dan's career is over anyway... 8 men on the line makes running difficult. Fins also lack a certified downfield threat. Please note I make no mention of > my fave team the Pittsburg Steelers as they seriously underestimated the > departure of Chan Gailey on the offense. That and losing Yancy Thigpen too > has crippled Kordell Stewart this year. > >Yeah, well I think Stewart has to do a big bit of growing up before he's truly a winner. His sidelines display sunday was truly bush league. But Cowher got even big time in his press conference, eh? Well you see who's going to the pro bowl this year, all the old guys. Young QB's just don't make it unless they are special. Kordell, if he keeps his head on straight may dominate the NFL when he's 30 something. Gosh I love Football. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 17 11:58:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:58:34 -0800 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: >OK. Having listened to the snippet of _Astronomy_ available on the cdnow.com website, I think I'm gonna pass that one up. Granted, RealAudio doesn't do most things justice on a machine as slow as mine but still, Hetfield sounds like John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants. Not that there's anything wrong with TMBG if they're not fronting a "metal" band and trying to ruin one of my favourite songs. Warrick Bell And I thought it was just me. I heard the clip also and came away less than impressed. I dunno, I just don't get it with Metallica. The more I listen the more they sound like a second rate metal band from the 70's. Sorry if that offends but its how I feel. Ghost in the Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 13:13:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:13:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812171712.KAA21741@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > I dunno, I just don't get it with Metallica. The > more I listen > the more they sound like a second rate metal band from the 70's. But they don't sound a bit like Y&T? ;) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 17 12:09:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:09:58 -0600 Subject: BOC Heaven Forbid Message-ID: JS>I like it. It's very different from "old BOC", but at least 10 years have past, members have come and gone, and the music scene in general has changed. Expecting *Secret Treaties II* would be wrong. I like it very much, although I'm sure part of that is because I had to wait so long to get it. Ya, HF is a fine album which I enjoy a great deal. Are the lyrics weak? Ya, compared to the past. Is some of the music/songs less than inspiring? Ya compared to the past. One shouldn't judge HF against the past however, take it for the "hear and now". A good effort by a band that has struggled with a lot of different things over the past ten years. I have this one ranked over a great many of the past albums, its in the high middle section if that makes sense. I would also suggest that folks hear songs like Harvest Moon, SYIB and Live For Me live. I'll also put a stake in the ground for both Damaged and the Real World. After Moon these two are my faves, becuase neither is a typical BOC song but both give me a lot of pleasure. On a different note - >I'm listening to the Hammersmith disc of Rush's _Different Stages_ right now, and during "Working Man," Geddy drops "Watney's Red Barrel" into the lyric. Nik Turner also does this in "Utopia '84." Brew aside Paul how do you like Different Stages? I'm no die hard Rush fan but I'm loving this package. I rank Disc three, Hammersmith show first, followed by disc two then disc one. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD Recommendation for Theo - Rush Different Stages (hehehehehehehehehe) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Dec 17 12:11:34 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:11:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - 'Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home' - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamares and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's suncream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they 'overdid it on the first day.' And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners. And adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local colour and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing 'Torremolinos, torremolinos' and complaining about the food - 'It's so greasy isn't it?' - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres. And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realise they haven't even visited to 'All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'. Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'. And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of 'unforeseen difficulties', i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing 'enterovioform' and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagues by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free 'cigarillos' and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on 'Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich' and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane..... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 12:20:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:20:55 EDT Subject: OFF: American Football In-Reply-To: <199812171709.KAA21289@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > The only team to win Superbowls without great QB's have been the Redskins 3 > times and the 70 fins twice. Aikman, while not as good as a few years ago > is a top QB. > Yet, ironically, Super Bowl winners win it on the ground! And I think you could include the Jim McMahon Bears with the two you mention. Last year, the Broncs wouldn't have even needed Elway. Hell, anyone could have handed the ball to Davis and let him do his work. But you're point's taken, and I think the best teams are good teams all-round, c.f. 49ers and Steelers: Great QB's but also a solid running game. If you can keep the ball away from your opponent by controlling the clock with your ground game, most of the time, you'll win... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 12:13:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:13:27 EDT Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812171712.KAA21741@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > And I thought it was just me. I heard the clip also and came away less than > impressed. I dunno, I just don't get it with Metallica. The more I listen > the more they sound like a second rate metal band from the 70's. Sorry if > that offends but its how I feel. > There, there, Ghost, go and sin no more... Your impression of Metallica isn't too far away from mine. I think thy're a pretty good band, but I'm fucked if I can explain why they're so uber-popular whilst most other metal bands of their era [c.f. Megadeth, a virtual clone] never made it so big, or have split up and scattered to the winds... And this despite the fact that their last 2 records pissed off a whole bunch of their fans! I'm told they're dynamite live [haven't seen 'em] maybe that's part of it? Maybe their fans are just growing old with them, and refuse to let go? Anyone out there able to explain the Metallica phenomenon? theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Dec 17 12:30:51 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:30:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: MONSTER MAGNET NEWS Message-ID: Here's the latest scuttlebutt for those MMers out there. 1] The albums about to go gold in the US. 2] Dave Wyndorf has just recorded a rap track called "Gimme What You Got", with Korrupt, a member of Snoop Doggs posse. 3] They've just made a video for Space Lord with one of Marilyn Manson. 4] A single of "Powertrip" will be released in the UK on 4 January on 2 CDs and a limited picture disc 7". CD1 will feature the video of "Powertrip". 5] "Powertrip" will be the lead song on the new Kurt Russell no-brainer"Soldiers" Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Dec 17 13:02:03 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:02:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <001201be29d7$e9888ba0$ed32e3a0@gcccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: JB wrote: >As far as tBS and "Box of Hammers" is concerned, I haven't heard it. I >bought their first CD, Epe-whatzit.. and didn't much care for it so I've >been hesitant. Perhaps I'll give BoH a try. Its radically different than Eponyous.It's more like BOC than Heaven Forbid, but better.Features: A more selective use of horns. The album feels much more alive than Eponymous did thanks to Mssrs. Bohevesky,Hilfiger and Hirschberg on guitars and bass. It's good too for the BOC related reason of having some songs that were sketched out during Albert and Joe's tenue have been filled out mightily (Gun, St Vitus Dance, Laura's Plastic Swords to name a few). If you want good heavy riffage, the numbers on that CD to dig are "Tender was the Night" for funkiness (w/ Metlzer lyrics so it can't be bad:)), Operation Luv for a full metal assault, Date with a Guitar has a wonderfully King Crimsonoid riff in there that swaggers with attitude, Overture is bits an pieces rom Imaginos in overture form... with lots of guitar solos in the Astronomy end riff segment.Aslo, their version of Dwight Twilley's Im on fire has a wonderful cruising feel. Lil Egypt is a great Mid eastern number with a demonic riff and odd time signature PLUS a good use of thermin which J.Page never exhibited. I could go on, and proboaly will. In other words, get it. It's loud, it's rock and roll (with some sincere sounding ballades (2) thrown in fer good measure), and it shows committment to performing. Personally, I like eponymous a bit more than the 2nd cd, Trepanation for overall feel, but Trepanation has some really heavy killers on there (Gimme Nothing,My Civilization,Medusa,Kiss is a Promise (w/ Joe on Mandolin) not to mention MC5's "Rambling Rose." But Box of Hammers feels far more coherent and expansive in relation to those two bandwise. The band is also very easy to talk to. Pardon me while i take my sedatives ere the Brain Surgeons are blasted from my stereo at 11, Jason PS: any word on if the official tBS homeopage has returned to the web? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 13:17:21 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:17:21 EDT Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD0193E82C@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: > From: "Hall, Russell J" [tons of brilliant stuff snipped!] Russell, you the man! And Christian, when did you change your name? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 17 13:26:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:26:42 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981217130203.0068df78@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [great ravings snipped!] > I could go on, and proboaly will. In other words, get it. It's loud, it's > rock and roll (with some sincere sounding ballades (2) thrown in fer good > measure), and it shows committment to performing. Personally, I like > eponymous a bit more than the 2nd cd, Trepanation for overall feel, but > Trepanation has some really heavy killers on there (Gimme Nothing,My > Civilization,Medusa,Kiss is a Promise (w/ Joe on Mandolin) not to mention > MC5's "Rambling Rose." But Box of Hammers feels far more coherent and > expansive in relation to those two bandwise. The band is also very easy to > talk to. > > Pardon me while i take my sedatives ere the Brain Surgeons are blasted from > my stereo at 11, > Jason Dude, don't hold back on us now! Anyone else get a tBS mailing yesterday? Any tBS gigs on the [distant ]horizon? theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 14:26:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:26:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <16EFC220BB5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Anyone out there able to > explain the Metallica phenomenon? OK, here goes! (Anything rather than watch the news.) Cast your mind back to the early-mid 80s. The best, or at least the biggest, 70s metal bands - Zeppelin, Sabbath, Kiss, Aerosmith, even BOC - had gone, or were (or at least appeared to be) in terminal decline; punk and the NWOBHM had come and gone, without leaving much of a trace (particularly in America); Motorhead and Venom had been great, but even they had seemed to peak; popular music as a whole was dominated by twee romo bands in makeup (Culture Club, Duran Duran, Thompson Twins, and worse); a few cock-rock dinosaurs still walked the earth (yes, David Coverdale, I'm looking at you), and mostly such metal as was left was horrible big-hair glam from LA (Ratt, Poison). It was horrible. A generation in crisis looked for heroes. Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right attitude, at the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. They simply set the agenda for heavy music for several years. Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Dec 17 14:27:29 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:27:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: Hall, Russell J [russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM] said: >What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted >around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth >caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about >the tea - 'Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home' [...] Bravo! Can't comment on Watney's. I'll have to go down to "Beers of the World" and check it out. Or not. :-) Brian obcd> Deep Purple "Made In Japan" 1.5CD Remaster obsong> Black Night! (even with flubbed ending) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 17 14:36:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:36:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: On tor 17 dec 1998 19.26 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. And has an annoying voice ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Dec 17 14:47:27 1998 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:27 -0600 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: WOW!! What a release!!! Feel better now?..... "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted > around in buses surrounded by > sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and > their cardigans and their > transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - 'Oh > they don't make it properly > here, do they, not like at home' - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas > selling fish and chips and > Watney's Red Barrel and calamares and two veg and sitting in their cotton > frocks squirting Timothy > White's suncream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they > 'overdid it on the first day.' > And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and > Continentales with their modern > international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools > full of fat German > businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening > the children and barging > into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the > bowl of Campbell's Cream of > Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and > every Thursday night the > hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago > with nine-inch hips and some > bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting > Flamenco for Foreigners. > And adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea > trying to pick up hairy > bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an > excursion to the local Roman > Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red > Barrel and one evening > you visit the so called typical restaurant with local colour and > atmosphere and you sit next to a party > from Rhyl who keep singing 'Torremolinos, torremolinos' and complaining > about the food - 'It's so > greasy isn't it?' - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from > Luton with an Instamatic > camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he > drones on and on about how > Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch > Powell can speak and then > he throws up over the Cuba Libres. And sending tinted postcards of places > they don't realise they > haven't even visited to 'All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is > marked with an 'X'. Food > very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in > the back streets where they > serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion crisps and the > accordionist plays 'Maybe it's > because I'm a Londoner'. And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton > airport on a five-day > package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you > can't even get a drink of > Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar > closes every time you're > thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting > and breaking the plastic > ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although > your plane is still in Iceland and > has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. > in the bloody morning and > you sit on the tarmac till six because of 'unforeseen difficulties', i.e. > the permanent strike of Air Traffic > Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off > at 8, and when you get to > Malaga airport everybody's swallowing 'enterovioform' and queuing for the > toilets and queuing for the > armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to > take you to the hotel that > hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built > Algerian ruin called the Hotel del > Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you > find there's no water in the > pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and > there's only a bleeding lizard in the > bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway > because of the permanent > twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and > you're plagues by appalling > apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class > stockbrokers' wives busily > buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like > Esher, in case the Labour > government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and > Hawaiian-patterned ski > pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they > finally let it all flop out. > And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic > is merely a case of mild > Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which > killed half London and > decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting > sixteen-year-olds for kissing > in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. > And then on the last day in > the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, > buying cartons of duty > free 'cigarillos' and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in > Spanish National costume and awful > straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on 'Ordoney, El > Cordobes and Brian Pules of > Norwich' and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and > everybody's talking about coming > again next year and you swear you never will although there you are > tumbling bleary-eyed out of a > tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane..... From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Dec 17 15:15:33 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:15:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <005001be29dc$4173bac0$ed32e3a0@gcccd.cc.ca.us> from "Joseph Brooks" at Dec 17, 98 08:42:37 am Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > I had forgotten the fact that JS was doing the lyrics (in large part). Still > sounds to me as if he (JS) was trying for a certain image and failing. I've > never read his fiction either and, well, I don't believe > I ever will if this album is indicative of his writing style. Besides, just > being adept at writing fiction does not mean you know how to write rock > lyrics. He's not adept at writing fiction, or even passable sentences. I skimmed one of his "splatterpunk" novels back when he first cropped as a BOC lyrics contributor. I hadn't heard any of his lyrics yet, and approached the book with pretty positive expectations, thinking that BOC would have chosen to collaborate with someone with a level of talent comparable to Sandy or Richard Meltzer. "Diappointed" isn't really an adequate description of my reaction. The more I read, the more I came to the conclusion that he's just an idiot with a typewriter and a connection in the publishing biz. > >such vivid pictures, and have such cool and intelligent play on words, > >that Heaven Forbid seems to lack in the most part. I agree with you in > >saying that lyrically it is no Secret Treaties, or Tyranny or S/T or > >Agents or Specter's or Cultosaurus or Fire of Unknown Origin. . . :-). > > I've missed that writing style since CE or FoUO I guess... Even _RbN_ had some pretty decent lyrics. Shadow of California, which is actually part of the Imaginos cycle, is one of my favorites (not just on that album, but overall). Dragon Lady's chorus is too repetitious and sing-song, but the rest of the song has some great imagery in it. Veins was pretty cool, if you ignore the electric drums. ;-) Feel the Thunder is too silly for me, but at least it's in keeping with the hell-driven biker mythology that BOC has promulgated since the early days. _HF_ just doesn't have much of the mystical/mythical resonance that attracted me to BOC in the first place. Some of the music is pretty good, but I liked the "old" BOC just as much for the poetic weirdness of it as for the innovative sound. I could go for songs with music like X-Ray Eyes, Damaged, etc, if only they had decent lyrics. > I don't want to have to face the fact that what I love about this band faded > along with the Bouchards and Pearlman. I ain't giving up yet. We never entirely give up. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Thu Dec 17 15:21:13 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:21:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: Hall, Russell J ha scritto: > What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted > around in buses surrounded by.... Very nice; where did you find it? Massimo From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Dec 17 15:28:37 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:28:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812171712.KAA21741@docws002.shl.com> from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Dec 17, 98 08:58:34 am Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > > >OK. Having listened to the snippet of _Astronomy_ available on the > cdnow.com website, I think I'm gonna pass that one up. Granted, RealAudio > doesn't do most things justice on a machine as slow as mine but still, > Hetfield sounds like John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants. Not that > there's anything wrong with TMBG if they're not fronting a "metal" band and > trying to ruin one of my favourite songs. > > Warrick Bell > > And I thought it was just me. I heard the clip also and came away less than > impressed. I dunno, I just don't get it with Metallica. The more I listen > the more they sound like a second rate metal band from the 70's. Sorry if > that offends but its how I feel. Metallica does a certain kind of music better than anybody else. If you like that kind of music, you'll love them. If you don't like it at all, or are indifferent towards it, you won't like them much. Personally, I think Metallica has done a few all-time classic metal songs ("Fade to Black" from _Ride the Lightning_, the title track from _Master of Puppets_, and maybe a couple others), but overall they don't much do it for me. However, they do have a pretty great knack for covering other people's material: they do what I think is a fine job of making the cover into a decidedly "Metallica-ized" song, while still being true to the original. Their cover of Nick Cave's "Loverman", contrary what somebody else on the list said about it, is one of the most intense and evil things I've ever heard. Their cover of Thin Lizzy's "Whiskey in the Jar" would have been enough to get me to buy _Garage, Inc_ all by itself, even if I hadn't already been buying it for "Last Caress", "Astronomy", and the several Motorhead covers. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Dec 17 15:37:07 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:37:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <377336.3122912198@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Dec 17, 98 07:36:38 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On tor 17 dec 1998 19.26 +0000 "Andy Gilham" > wrote: > > Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. > > And has an annoying voice ... I think I'd like Metallica a lot better if if they'd kept him as lead guitar, instead of that pansy Satriani clone they've got now. Mustaine at least plays guitar like he's playing metal, not speed-pop. And that annoying voice is *perfect* for the kind of bitter, sardonic lyrics he writes. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 17 15:47:56 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:47:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812172037.PAA06815@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: => Carl Edlund Anderson writes: => > => > On tor 17 dec 1998 19.26 +0000 "Andy Gilham" => > wrote: => > > Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. => > => > And has an annoying voice ... => => I think I'd like Metallica a lot better if if they'd kept him as lead => guitar, instead of that pansy Satriani clone they've got now. Mustaine => at least plays guitar like he's playing metal, not speed-pop. => => And that annoying voice is *perfect* for the kind of bitter, sardonic => lyrics he writes. ;-) No, Andy and Carl had it right the first time: Dave Mustaine is a twat with an annoying voice. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Thu Dec 17 15:58:11 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:58:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: Andy Gilham ha scritto: > Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right > attitude, at the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. > They simply set the agenda for heavy music for several years. > And in their early days they succeded to develop, for large crowds, the musical attitude that underground hardcore bands had created, i.e. Discharge's rifferama. Massimo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Dec 17 16:19:22 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:19:22 EST Subject: BOC: New Godzilla Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/98 10:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << Any decent way to get dubbed or subtitled copies of the non-U.S.-released Godzilla movies at a manageable cost? -- Nick >> There's tons of places selling the Japanese Kaiju films. The best way to find out who they are is to go to Usenet - alt.movies.monsters Ask for the reputable video dealers. It seems that from time to time, who is reputable and who is not changes every once in a while. I haven't been on that forum in about 2 months, way too much traffic. GFORCE and a few others limit their mail to once a week and once a month. chuck From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Dec 17 16:22:43 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:22:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: I remember seeing on a TV prog way back how Watneys tried to make Red Barrel into a "national beer" (whereas a lot of brews in England were and to some extent still are very specific to certain areas). Basically they bought upa lot of pubs, made 'em all sell Red Barrel, even started painting some of them Red, all an attempt to, if you like, become the MacDonalds of the beer/pub industry. (Oh and it does taste horrible) Well basically it backfired (as someone mentioned this is specifically what got the Campaign for Real Ale started) as people didn't want some generic nationwide beer being thrust down their throats. Eventually a lot of the pubs were turned back into freehouses, and even painted a different color again. I mention this as it explains why it fits into the rant at the start of Utopia very nicely, which is all about not wanting what someone else thinks is good for you. "All you needs are anticipated, calculated, computer formulated We know you will be very happy here......" I have often thought - theres not a chance anyone in the US understands this reference ! Well now you know... Cheers, Steve L From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 17 16:34:28 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:34:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barrel In-Reply-To: <199812172122.QAA29873@dogberry> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Stephen Lindsey wrote: => I mention this as it explains why it => fits into the rant at the start of Utopia very nicely, which is all about => not wanting what someone else thinks is good for you. => => "All you needs are anticipated, calculated, computer formulated => We know you will be very happy here......" => => I have often thought - theres not a chance anyone in the US understands this => reference ! Well now you know... I guess it also underscores the pathetic existence of "Working Man" in the Hammersmith version of the Rush song when he gets home from work and digs himself out a Watney's Red Barrel. (Either that, or it's what they were serving at the bar that night.:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 17 16:35:11 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:35:11 EST Subject: HW: Anubian Lights? Message-ID: Hi, folks. I was wondering if anyone has any touring info re Anubian Lights (or any Del Rio/Grenas/Turner/Brain activity in general). They are based in LA, and since I live in SoCal I was hoping to get a chance to catch 'em live. I tried e-mailing Hypnotic off of a website and it was returned by Mailer Daemon. And AL's main page doesn't respond. Help! Thanks. Anubian Lights is the future, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 17 16:38:02 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:38:02 EST Subject: OFF: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-17 16:34:47 EST, you write: << I guess it also underscores the pathetic existence of "Working Man" in the Hammersmith version of the Rush song when he gets home from work and digs himself out a Watney's Red Barrel. (Either that, or it's what they were serving at the bar that night.:) Cheers, Paul. >> ---And prob. what a lot of we Yanks don't want to admit here is that some of us bought WRB thinking we were high-class. I guess it just shows the even more pathetic state of US beer. I mean, compared to Bud, WRB, is the liquid of the gods. Then again, I never had a very discerning pallett (sp). Chuck From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 17 17:23:14 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:23:14 -0800 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >popular music as a whole was dominated by twee romo bands in makeup >(Culture Club, Duran Duran, Thompson Twins, and worse); a few cock-rock >dinosaurs still walked the earth (yes, David Coverdale, I'm looking at you), >and mostly such metal as was left was horrible big-hair glam from LA (Ratt, >Poison). It was horrible. A generation in crisis looked for heroes. >Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right attitude, at >the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. They simply set the >agenda for heavy music for several years. For the first time I do not regret spending the 80's in disco dance halls...BTW you forgot Motley Cure, Anthrax and a few others... >But they don't sound a bit like Y&T? O not at all sir. Y&T is far more fun and has a much better beat. Besides I bet they scored a hell of a lot more than Metallica ever did. Big hair will do that for ya 8>). How much do I owe you for the therapy session Andy? I'm truly relived by these developments. >5] "Powertrip" will be the lead song on the new Kurt Russell no-brainer"Soldiers" New? That one has already come and gone in the US. And Theo, just prepare to see Bill Parcel's stalking the sidelines at Pro Player in January... Ghost in the Ruins Now repaling Disc Two of the Different Stages. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 17 17:15:36 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:15:36 -0800 Subject: HW: Anubian Lights? Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:35:11 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >Hi, folks. I was wondering if anyone has any touring info re Anubian Lights >(or any Del Rio/Grenas/Turner/Brain activity in general). They are based in >LA, and since I live in SoCal I was hoping to get a chance to catch 'em live. I know that Farflung (Grenas only, no Del Rio) are playing up here in Northern California (San Francisco) next month (thu 1/21), as I'll be playing with Primordial Undermind on that bill (Subarachnoid Space are also playing). I'd have to believe that they'd play a show closer to home around the same time, but I don't know how to get in touch with them (unless Tommy Grenas has the same address/phone number that he had about 5 years ago...) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 17 17:21:44 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:21:44 -0800 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:22:43 -0500, Stephen Lindsey wrote: >I mention this as it explains why it >fits into the rant at the start of Utopia very nicely, which is all about >not wanting what someone else thinks is good for you. >"All you needs are anticipated, calculated, computer formulated > We know you will be very happy here......" >I have often thought - theres not a chance anyone in the US understands this >reference ! Well now you know... Fortunately, when Nik played in the US, he changed the reference to "Budweiser beer" (I forget which of the two live albums on Cleopatra contains the track, I think it's the second - 'Past or Future'), so from that, I assumed that it was the English equivalent (cheap tasteless stuff that's overpriced due to the huge advertising budget). I actually bought a 6-pack on Watney's RB in the US once ... it wasn't bad (perhaps the export stuff is better?), but it was no Samuel Smith's (Tadcaster Porter is easily my favorite sold-in-the-US British beer! yumyumyum!), or even Bass Ale. That's for sure! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 17:29:44 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:44 -0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! In-Reply-To: <199812172015.PAA06673@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Steve said > He [John Shirley]'s not adept at writing fiction, or even passable sentences. I > skimmed one of his "splatterpunk" novels back when he first cropped as > a BOC lyrics contributor. I hadn't heard any of his lyrics yet, and > approached the book with pretty positive expectations, thinking that > BOC would have chosen to collaborate with someone with a level of > talent comparable to Sandy or Richard Meltzer. "Diappointed" isn't > really an adequate description of my reaction. The more I read, the > more I came to the conclusion that he's just an idiot with a > typewriter and a connection in the publishing biz. Tee hee! I have found the occasional short story quite good - most of the _New Noir_ collection works - but too often he's trying to be a cross between Jim Thompson and the young Harlan Ellison. Not that these are bad aspirations, but they're out of most writers' league. On the other hand, I browsed his website earlier today, and I rather enjoyed several of his "Skeptical Enquirer" non-fiction rants. (Although "Does God exist?" was a bit superficial :) I played his album all the way through once, too! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Dec 17 17:39:49 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:39:49 -0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica In-Reply-To: <199812172237.PAA28929@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of BREVARD, Adrian R. > Sent: 17 December 1998 22:23 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Metallica > > > >popular music as a whole was dominated by twee romo bands in makeup > >(Culture Club, Duran Duran, Thompson Twins, and worse); a few cock-rock > >dinosaurs still walked the earth (yes, David Coverdale, I'm looking at > you), > >and mostly such metal as was left was horrible big-hair glam > from LA (Ratt, > >Poison). It was horrible. A generation in crisis looked for heroes. > > >Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right > attitude, at >the right time. They were an antidote to all that > was wrong. > They simply set the >agenda for heavy music for several years. > > For the first time I do not regret spending the 80's in disco dance Wasn't disco dead by then? Of course, you're in DC, you had go-go, didn't you? It's a blur... > halls...BTW you forgot Motley Cure, Anthrax and a few others... > No, I didn't, but I'd count Motley Crue in with Ratt and Poison, and Twisted Sister for that matter, as being a bunch of big girl's blouses I wouldn't touch with an eleven-foot pole (most poles only go up to ten). Anthrax, in this thesis, are counted alongside Metallica in the early days, as are Slayer, although they both seemed to lose their way rather. I was trying to keep it brief, not write a whole bloody history of metal in the nineteen-hundred-and-eighties!!! Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) > How much do I owe you for the therapy session Andy? I'm truly relived by > these developments. On the house, my good man! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tnelson at NOHUM.K12.CA.US Thu Dec 17 17:43:23 1998 From: tnelson at NOHUM.K12.CA.US (Thomas Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:43:23 -0700 Subject: New Godzilla and Metallica/Megadeth Message-ID: >In a message dated 12/17/98 10:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, >nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: > ><< Any decent way to get dubbed or subtitled copies of the > non-U.S.-released Godzilla movies at a manageable cost? > > -- Nick >> > >There's tons of places selling the Japanese Kaiju films. Also, soon the only Godzilla movie not available domestically will be the 90's version of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (which is great, BTW). _Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla_ and _Godzilla vs. Destroyah/Destroyer are soon to be released in VHS format by Tristar. On the Metallica/Megadeth subject,all I know is that _Master of Puppets_ and _Peace Sells, Who's Buying?_ combined with a two liter of Jolt soda caused me to play the best damned air guitar of my whole godforsaken life(and made me drool like Dave Mustaine jamming in his early Megadeth days). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 17 18:52:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:52:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: On tor 17 dec 1998 22.39 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) Easily. G&R produced a perfectly good schlock-bluesy pop-metal debut album. Wildman singer with long blond hair, "mysterious" looking guitarist with dark hair ... we've seen it all before :) Both sexes of teeny-bopper dug it. Even if the band hadn't subsequently collapsed under the singer's delusions of grandeur, one can't see it having gone much farther. If they'd been wise, they would have faked their deaths in a tragic plane crash and reaped the record sales of lamented geniuses cut off in their prime. As it is, well ... ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Dec 17 19:46:25 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:46:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: American Football In-Reply-To: <199812171709.KAA21289@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: At 08:54 17/12/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Gosh I love Football. > >Ghost in the Ruins > So do I, and I've enjoyed this side thread. Unfortunately British tv has recently banished the NFL to the wee small hours of the morning, and I don't have time in my week to make it worth recording it for myself. Maybe next season I'll have the time, though I should manage to get the Superbowl.. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Dec 17 20:00:51 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:00:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <000701be29f3$1fe44d40$4c2b63c3@default> Message-ID: At 19:26 17/12/98 -0000, you wrote: >>Anyone out there able to >> explain the Metallica phenomenon? > >OK, here goes! (Anything rather than watch the news.) > >-- snip -- > >Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right >attitude, at the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. >They simply set the agenda for heavy music for several years. > >Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham As usual, Mr. Gilham beats me to the punch (very eloquently). The same lessons of history can also explain why so many bamds missed out despite talent. Timing is crucial. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Dec 17 20:13:20 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:13:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217142144.0082fe80@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 14:21 17/12/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I actually bought a 6-pack on Watney's RB in the US once ... it wasn't bad >(perhaps the export stuff is better?), but it was no Samuel Smith's >(Tadcaster Porter is easily my favorite sold-in-the-US British beer! >yumyumyum!), or even Bass Ale. That's for sure! > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com Interesting - a US pilot that I knew in Belgium was mad for Taddy Porter too; it's one of the better beers of its kind. As for Bass, I grew up with the stuff, and can remember what it was like before they took out the Burton Unions from the No.2 brewery (secondary fermentation in wooden casks rather than stainless steel tanks). Sadly, one of Britain's great historic beers is now a shadow of its former self! At least Marston's still brew Burton beer properly. ChrisW obBeer: Marston's India Export Free your mind & watch your ass! From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Dec 18 02:17:33 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:17:33 -0600 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Joseph Brooks wrote: > > >Eric once said "Rock and Roll really keeps you young, it really does". > >And since they pioneered metal with songs like "The Red and the Black", > >I think they have more rite than any band in there 20's, well just as > >much rite any ways. That intro in "See You In Black" really rules, and I > >thought it a good song to start the album. > > It just seems so... ordinary. BOC, to me always seemed to mean metal but > with a twist. This song sounds like a typical 80's hair-band throw away with > EB gurgling vocals.. it doesn't suck but I still believe the boys are > capable of so much better. > > >The lyrics were mostly Shirley's, I think that's why there dark and > >sinister. I have never read any of Shirley's material so correct me if > >im wrong here, but from what I have heard his writing is very dark and > >sinister, and that's just showing through on his lyrics. And since there > >not forcing themselves to be sinister to fit a certain style, and just > >using a "sinister" person for lyrics, I don't think anything was forced. > >I still don't like this album lyrically as much as I like most of the > >other albums though, compared to there ability in other albums to paint > > I had forgotten the fact that JS was doing the lyrics (in large part). Still > sounds to me as if he (JS) was trying for a certain image and failing. I've > never read his fiction either and, well, I don't believe > I ever will if this album is indicative of his writing style. Besides, just > being adept at writing fiction does not mean you know how to write rock > lyrics. > > >such vivid pictures, and have such cool and intelligent play on words, > >that Heaven Forbid seems to lack in the most part. I agree with you in > >saying that lyrically it is no Secret Treaties, or Tyranny or S/T or > >Agents or Specter's or Cultosaurus or Fire of Unknown Origin. . . :-). > > I've missed that writing style since CE or FoUO I guess... > > >> Musically, I suppose I can say I have no major complaints aside from what > I > >> said above and some repetition.. > > > > > >Not as much repetition as some hard core punk albums though :-). > > Well, of course... I generally would not compare them to those types of > bands anyway. I mainly look at the band itself when it was in its prime for > comparison. Also, remember, I'm a geezer.. I pre-date punk and never liked > it in the first place. > > I don't want to have to face the fact that what I love about this band faded > along with the Bouchards and Pearlman. I ain't giving up yet. > > JB > "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish > "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster > Cult I think the album was more consistent musically than some BOC albums in the past, I never really fount it repetitive though. I do really like the album musically (IM sure being repetitive ;-)). They are suffering a bit lyrically, they don't have Pearlman,Meltzer, or the Bouchard's, and they replaced them with Shirley and some people don't like his style, I think he's all right, not nearly as good as the previously mentioned three obviously. I can forgive an album lyrically, if the music is good enough. Shirley really isn't bad when compared to a lot of other rock bands lyrics, I know we expect more from the cult lyrically, but I don't know if they will ever find anybody as good as Pearlman, Meltzer, Bouchard's, Moorcock, or Smith. I think the chemistry between the original members (writing any ways), and the people that worked with them helping them to develop there style and sound, were a once in a lifetime miracle, maybe never to be repeated. They have made one album with Shirley now, maybe it's time to move on. Buck and Eric are strong, I would like to see a little creative contribution from Allen eventually too, I think he's one of BOC's greatest songwriters, he seems to have a really unique chord progression style. As far as lyrics, wonder what Moorcock or Patti Smith are doing, and I wonder how Ralph Bakshi would do, there's somebody that always reminded me of the Cult a bit :-), I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Buck, Eric, and Allen got together with Bakshi and tried to write a few lyrics. Laj. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Dec 18 04:51:19 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:51:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr Message-ID: For those who weren't aware, it's from Monty Python's 'Travel Agent' sketch. Which also includes the line "Notice the huge-breasted typist in the background". :-) Cheers, Rich. > Hall, Russell J ha scritto: > > > What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist > carted > > around in buses surrounded by.... > > Very nice; where did you find it? > > Massimo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Dec 18 04:57:42 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:57:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: and Twisted > Sister for that matter, as being a bunch of big girl's blouses I > wouldn't > touch with an eleven-foot pole Ah yes, but big girl's blouses with a keenly developed sense of irony... :-) > > > Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) I once reviewed Appetite for Destruction (about 1987), along with Faster Pussycat's debut album. I vaguely recall dismissing AfD as "OK", but warned readers to watch out for Faster Pussycat - the next big thing. Arse. :-) > Cheers, Rich. ** The first animal listed in any dictionary is the goat ** From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Dec 18 00:14:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:14:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: > > Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right > > attitude, at the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. > > They simply set the agenda for heavy music for several years. And unfortunately spawned so many, MANY horrible offspring. Worst I remember from the 80s was Exodus. Someone who didn't know me very well got me their debut album Bonded by Blood for Christmas, just because I liked Motorhead (The worst part was that it was the guy at the record store who advised her, "Oh, if he likes Motorhead, he should like this" -- When will the ignorance end?!). At the time, I was experimenting with early Anthrax, Metallica, etc. Thank God for that Exodus album. It got me away from that God-awful genre. That said, I think "One" is an awesome video...and I'll admit to some involuntary groovin' whenever I hear "Sandman". -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Dec 18 05:55:50 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:55:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Watney's Red Barr In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981218011320.007da100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: A bit of the beaten track here, but my first ever beer in the US was a pint of Young's Ram 'n' Spesh!! (A halp pint of draught Young's Special, topped up with a bottle of Young's Ram Rod ale!!) I was literally taken there, by a US colleague straight from the Austin airport, direct to the bar! None of that Budweiser shit either!! This was in Austin TX, in a bar called Maggie May's - superb venue indeed!! I'll bet that Mr. Moorcock sups on the Bass, Guiness, and Newcastle Brown that they serve there too! Talking of Budweiser, it's light already in flavour and body, and they've got the audacity to sell "Bud Light" too?????? YEUCH!!!!!! Gimme a warm, dark brown, flat, headless, bear anyday!!!! GUY THOMAS (And long live CAMRA!!) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 18 06:22:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:22:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812181115.GAA14563@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > And unfortunately spawned so many, MANY horrible offspring. Worst I > remember from the 80s was Exodus. Someone who didn't know me very > well got me their debut album Bonded by Blood for Christmas, just > because I liked > Motorhead (The worst part was that it was the guy at the record store > who advised her, "Oh, if he likes Motorhead, he should like this" -- > When will the ignorance end?!). At the time, I was experimenting with > early Anthrax, Metallica, etc. Thank God for that Exodus album. It > got me away from that God-awful genre. Yeah, but that's why Metallica made it big and so many others went bay the wayside. They were (and largely still are, imo, even though I didn't like _Load_ at all) the real deal. > That said, I think "One" is an awesome video...and I'll admit to some > involuntary groovin' whenever I hear "Sandman". > Saw the "Turn the Page" video on Superock the other night - powerful stuff! Very naughty of Ms Valet to follow it with "Smack My Bitch Up" though :) I noticed that the TtP single had a bunch of live versions of some of the other covers off of _Garage Inc._ (recorded down the road from me at the Ministry of Sound, as it goes) - no "Astronomy" though... but I'm wondering what the next single will be???? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Dec 18 06:52:43 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:52:43 +0000 Subject: BOC/Doors: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: "I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer." I'll lay money on it that it wasn't a bleedin' Watney's Red Barrel. (I like to think that it was a fine pint of Timothy Taylor's "Landlord" - the finest beer known to mankind.) :-) Cheers, Rich. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 18 06:44:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 07:44:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Watney's Red Barrel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Chuck Rosenberg > << > I guess it also underscores the pathetic existence of "Working Man" in > the Hammersmith version of the Rush song when he gets home from work and > digs himself out a Watney's Red Barrel. (Either that, or it's what they > were serving at the bar that night.:) > > Cheers, > > Paul. >> > > ---And prob. what a lot of we Yanks don't want to admit here is that some of > us bought WRB thinking we were high-class. I guess it just shows the even more > pathetic state of US beer. I mean, compared to Bud, WRB, is the liquid of the > gods. Then again, I never had a very discerning pallett (sp). Chuck All this talk of beer snobbery reminds me of a friend of mine from Belgium. Although Belgium is about the size of Connecticut, they have over 350 breweries--Belgians know beer! When he visits the US, he can't wait to drink a bottle of Bud! theo From chip at PCC.COM Fri Dec 18 08:53:08 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:53:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy In-Reply-To: <199812181115.GAA14563@junior.srt.net> from "owner-boc-l@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU" at Dec 18, 98 05:14:19 am Message-ID: > And unfortunately spawned so many, MANY horrible offspring. Worst I > remember from the 80s was Exodus. Actually, Exodus, if anything, spawned Metallica. What band do you think Hammet came from? _Bonded By Blood_ is an acquired taste, but if you want to hear some sick, sick, sick riffing, try "Pleasures of the Flesh" or "Fabulous Disaster." While I'm not a fan of either of their "singers," both of their guitarists are excellent and their original drummer (Tom Holdt?) was *incredible*. > That said, I think "One" is an awesome video...and I'll admit to some > involuntary groovin' whenever I hear "Sandman". Enter Sandman has *nothing* to do with the genre in question, imo. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 18 08:53:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:53:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >I didn't, but I'd count Motley Crue in with Ratt and Poison, and Twisted Sister for that matter, as being a bunch of big girl's blouses I wouldn't touch with an eleven-foot pole Motley Crue sorta started out much more "evil" than they later became, I think -- at least with their second album, "Shout at the Devil" - at the time they were sort of a cross between KISS and Ozzy Osbourne, albeit without as much theatrics. I saw them on that tour open for Ozzy and remember thinking that they were going to hit it big. Of course, they kinda wimped out after that, although I suppose the KISS meets Ozzy image would have been even more short-lived (even if it was cooler). Twister Sister, on the other hand, never seemed "evil" - they seemed to be a variant of KISS, just with no emphasis on the sexual stuff -- they were all about having fun, rebellion, and pledging allegiance to heavy metal. Like KISS, I found them just sort of FUN - not musically deep, but still, my foot starts a-tappin' when I hear "We're Not Gonna Take It" :-) All this music was happening for me between about 1984 and 1987 -- maybe if BOC hadn't been in a tailspin career-wise at that time, my musical tastes would have been different... So, I guess we can blame BOC for Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and the rest of those 80's hair bands... ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 18 08:58:22 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:58:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >> Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) > Easily. G&R produced a perfectly good schlock-bluesy pop-metal debut album. I think "Appetite For Destruction" came out sort of right around the time that the hair bands were at their peak (or starting to fade), and here was a band that didn't look as "pretty" and had a raw sound. To me, G&R were a transistion between heavy metal of the 80s and the grunge of the 90s -- they really crossed both borders. I have that album on CD, and still listen to it on occassion - it's pretty good. There's some good stuff on the "Use Your Illusion" albums, but it was kind of overkill at that point, and my enthusiasm for the band waned after that (although "You Could Be Mine" is one kick-ass tune...). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 18 09:00:40 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:00:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >I once reviewed Appetite for Destruction (about 1987), along with Faster Pussycat's debut album. I vaguely recall dismissing AfD as "OK", but warned readers to watch out for Faster Pussycat - the next big thing. Arse. :-) I saw FP open for Alice Cooper in the late 80s at the Boston Garden -- they were booed during every song, with the possible exception of their cover of the Stone's "Honky-Tonk Women". It was sad... John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 18 09:25:24 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:25:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Live Chronicles Message-ID: Hello, folks... OK, I don't think I heard from the person who originally wanted this item a year and a half ago or so. I say 'think' because the other day, I had a 'small' computer crash and lost some incoming messages. So if I'm in error here, let me know. Anyway, I guess I will now open it up to anyone who might want this item...it's a second-hand copy, but in reasonably good shape. (One disc has some superficial marks, though I figure it plays fine...I'll check it out before sending anyway.) Just send me an e-mail, and the first person who does has first dibs. I'm willing to accept offers of trade, or sell it outright at around cost. (It was amazingly cheap.) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Channel - Shooting Gallery (new space rock band from Kent, OH!!) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 18 08:46:46 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:46:46 EDT Subject: off:Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <199812181425.JAA03522@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Hey, Real nice feature story on MM in this month's Guitar World. A must for MM fans... theo From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Dec 18 09:48:32 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:48:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica In-Reply-To: <889652.3122927564@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Dec 17, 98 11:52:44 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On tor 17 dec 1998 22.39 +0000 "Andy Gilham" > wrote: > > Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) > > Easily. G&R produced a perfectly good schlock-bluesy pop-metal > debut album. Wildman singer with long blond hair, "mysterious" looking > guitarist with dark hair ... we've seen it all before :) Both sexes of > teeny-bopper dug it. Even if the band hadn't subsequently collapsed > under the singer's delusions of grandeur, one can't see it having > gone much farther. If they'd been wise, they would have faked their > deaths in a tragic plane crash and reaped the record sales of lamented > geniuses cut off in their prime. As it is, well ... ;) The funny thing is, I remember laughing when Izzy Stradlin left to go form the Ju Ju Hounds: "Oh, look, the rythm guitarist is leaving to form his own band! Bet *that'll* really be a really rockin' album!". The funny thing is, it *was* a really rockin' album, and it totally kicked the ass of that bloated Use Your Illusion disaster. Steve swann at plutonia.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 18 10:20:20 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:20:20 GMT Subject: California Brainstorm - here I come! Message-ID: I'm headed over to Tahoe to do some skiing over Hogmanay and plan to be in San Francisco for 3 days from the 9th. If any BOC-Lers are in the area and fancy meeting up for a pint then please email me. FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 18 10:22:50 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:22:50 -0600 Subject: OFF:Disco vs. Go-Go Message-ID: >Wasn't disco dead by then? Of course, you're in DC, you had go-go, didn't you? It's a blur I continue to underestimate the talents and depth of knowledge this list has. You are correct sir "Go-Go" and funk were always at the top in Chocalate City. There was a fair amount of disco/dance music still going on in the 80's. Didn't think any body would understand what Go-Go was; not to be confused with Nancy Sinatra hehehehehehehehe. Good call. >Anthrax, in this thesis, are counted alongside Metallica in the early days, as are Slayer, although they both seemed to lose their way rather. Another oopsie by me. Anthrax = big hair, bad music. My bad. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 18 10:28:03 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:28:03 -0600 Subject: Off: American Football Message-ID: >So do I, and I've enjoyed this side thread. Unfortunately British tv has recently banished the NFL to the wee small hours of the morning, and I don't have time in my week to make it worth recording it for myself. That's not as bad as you may think. Quality of play this year has generally been poor. Few compelling stories: 1. Denver Broncos attempt to go undefeated. 2. Sudden rise of the Atlanta Falcons 3. Crash and burn of the Wash. Redskins The only real excitment has been Randy Moss, rookie wide receiver for the Minn. Vikings. The kid has torn through the league like no rookie has since maybe Dan Marino. Several teams passed on him in the draft becuase of a checkered past. Each now regret it. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Savatage - Gutter Ballet From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Dec 18 11:14:07 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:14:07 -0600 Subject: That's Original: Levitation/Live '79 Message-ID: In a used CD store, I found a copy of the double CD "That's Original: Levitation/Live '79" on Castle. I can't remember the exact price (too much holiday shopping getting in the way!), but it was in the US$20 - 22 range. I already have a copy, so if anyone wants it, I would be happy to pick it up for them for the cost plus shipping. I'm also open to trade offers. Holiday cheers to all, Frank --- Helpful warning on a Korean kitchen knife: Warning keep out of children ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Dec 18 06:25:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:25:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: > I noticed that the TtP single had a bunch of live versions of some of the > other covers off of _Garage Inc._ (recorded down the road from me at the > Ministry of Sound, as it goes) - no "Astronomy" though... but I'm wondering > what the next single will be???? > > - Andy Is there any way we can lobby Metallica to release Astronomy? I mean, BOC for the masses is probably no longer a viable goal, but I think there could be a market for them among today's metal fans. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Dec 18 06:25:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:25:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: > Twister Sister, on the other hand, never seemed "evil" - they seemed to > be a variant of KISS, just with no emphasis on the sexual stuff -- they > were all about having fun, rebellion, and pledging allegiance to heavy > metal. Like KISS, I found them just sort of FUN - not musically deep, > but still, my foot starts a-tappin' when I hear "We're Not Gonna Take It" :-) Twisted Sister will always hold a special place in my heart. When the album "You Can't Stop Rock and Roll" came out, and they were still totally unknown, some record store clerk convinced me it was a totally rockin' album and I really needed to buy it. He played the title cut for me and I liked it, so I bought it. Well, I can't tell you the ridicule I got...people would see the album and laugh at me for listening to girl music. When I pointed out that these were guys, they told me I was listening to "fag" music. Then, a year or so later, when the mega-successful, super-poppy "Stay Hungry" came out, many of those same people came back to me wanting to borrow it. I told most of them to kiss my ass. > All this music was happening for me between about 1984 and 1987 -- maybe > if BOC hadn't been in a tailspin career-wise at that time, my musical > tastes would have been different... So, I guess we can blame BOC for Motley > Crue, Twisted Sister, and the rest of those 80's hair bands... ;-) Well, I think their influence on rock of the 80s goes deeper than that. Even though most of these bands boast almost no similarities to BOC, the guys in these bands were probably rockin' to the Cult in their teens. I'm almost positive I read somewhere long ago that the lead singer of White Lion was once in a BOC tribute band called Spectres! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Dec 18 06:25:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:25:47 +0000 Subject: BOC/Doors: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: > "I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer." What is/was BOC's fascination with the Doors? In addition to the Cult's version of Roadhouse, when I saw Cult Brothers, Joe did, like, three or four Doors songs. Although a rabid BOC fan, I never liked the Doors one bit. -- Nick From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 18 11:31:41 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:31:41 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Ok, you've sold me. I'll give 'em another shot if I can find it. :) JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult ----- Original Message ----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:02 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! >JB wrote: >>As far as tBS and "Box of Hammers" is concerned, I haven't heard it. I >>bought their first CD, Epe-whatzit.. and didn't much care for it so I've >>been hesitant. Perhaps I'll give BoH a try. > >Its radically different than Eponyous.It's more like BOC than Heaven >Forbid, but better.Features: A more selective use of horns. The album feels >much more alive than Eponymous did thanks to Mssrs. Bohevesky,Hilfiger and >Hirschberg on guitars and bass. It's good too for the BOC related reason >of having some songs that were sketched out during Albert and Joe's tenue >have been filled out mightily (Gun, St Vitus Dance, Laura's Plastic Swords >to name a few). If you want good heavy riffage, the numbers on that CD to >dig are "Tender was the Night" for funkiness (w/ Metlzer lyrics so it can't >be bad:)), Operation Luv for a full metal assault, Date with a Guitar has >a wonderfully King Crimsonoid riff in there that swaggers with attitude, >Overture is bits an pieces rom Imaginos in overture form... with lots of >guitar solos in the Astronomy end riff segment.Aslo, their version of >Dwight Twilley's Im on fire has a wonderful cruising feel. Lil Egypt is a >great Mid eastern number with a demonic riff and odd time signature PLUS a >good use of thermin which J.Page never exhibited. >I could go on, and proboaly will. In other words, get it. It's loud, it's >rock and roll (with some sincere sounding ballades (2) thrown in fer good >measure), and it shows committment to performing. Personally, I like >eponymous a bit more than the 2nd cd, Trepanation for overall feel, but >Trepanation has some really heavy killers on there (Gimme Nothing,My >Civilization,Medusa,Kiss is a Promise (w/ Joe on Mandolin) not to mention >MC5's "Rambling Rose." But Box of Hammers feels far more coherent and >expansive in relation to those two bandwise. The band is also very easy to >talk to. > >Pardon me while i take my sedatives ere the Brain Surgeons are blasted from >my stereo at 11, >Jason > >PS: any word on if the official tBS homeopage has returned to the web? >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 18 10:31:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:31:34 EDT Subject: BOC/Doors: Watney's Red Barrel In-Reply-To: <199812181726.MAA16423@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > What is/was BOC's fascination with the Doors? In addition to the > Cult's version of Roadhouse, when I saw Cult Brothers, Joe did, like, > three or four Doors songs. Although a rabid BOC fan, I never liked > the Doors one bit. > Well, the Doors had kinky lyrics and spooky music...Sound like any other band we all like? When BOC first came out, some critics heralded them as successors to the Doors. In fact, there was a stick-on blurb on the shrink wrap for Tyranny quoting rave reviews for BOC, and one of them was about a Doors/BOC comparison... theo From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 18 11:49:15 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:49:15 -0800 Subject: OFF: Metallica's Astronomy Message-ID: > >OK, here goes! (Anything rather than watch the news.) > >Cast your mind back to the early-mid 80s. The best, or at least the >biggest, 70s metal bands - Zeppelin, Sabbath, Kiss, Aerosmith, even BOC - >had gone, or were (or at least appeared to be) in terminal decline; punk and >the NWOBHM had come and gone, without leaving much of a trace (particularly >in America); Motorhead and Venom had been great, but even they had seemed to >peak; popular music as a whole was dominated by twee romo bands in makeup >(Culture Club, Duran Duran, Thompson Twins, and worse); a few cock-rock >dinosaurs still walked the earth (yes, David Coverdale, I'm looking at you), >and mostly such metal as was left was horrible big-hair glam from LA (Ratt, >Poison). It was horrible. A generation in crisis looked for heroes. Which is around the time that I and many of my friends gravitated towards what is now known as the Jam band scene, starting with the Dead and on to Phish, moe. etc. Bands which changed my ideas about music in a big way. Oh, I still like metal if its tastey... >Metallica were simply the right band, with the right riffs and the right >attitude, at the right time. They were an antidote to all that was wrong. >They simply set the agenda for heavy music for several years. Couldn't stand them when they were stuck on the speed/thrash/death metal thing. That music just plain sucks, IMO. I started to take notice only since the last 3 or 4 albums. I really like the "Load" CD and the one before it. (Except for my problem with the lyrics, mentioned elsewhere on the list). > >Whereas Dave Mustaine is a twat. hehe JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 18 12:05:32 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:05:32 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Heaven Forbid, I'm back! Message-ID: Well said. I still don't like JS's lyrics but other than that, I couldn't have said it better. I can forgive bad lyrics up to a point, hence my enjoyment of Metallica's later stuff.. But its harder to overlook when its a band that used to have the best lyrics in rock (BOC, of course). Of course, lyrics are very subjective.. what is pure poetry to one is trivial, laughable or pathetic to another.. (Then some lyrics are just plain *bad*... and I think we all know them when we hear them.. and no, I don't put HF in that catagory.. :) --- I think the album was more consistent musically than some BOC albums in >the past, I never really fount it repetitive though. I do really like >the album musically (IM sure being repetitive ;-)). They are suffering a >bit lyrically, they don't have Pearlman,Meltzer, or the Bouchard's, and >they replaced them with Shirley and some people don't like his style, I >think he's all right, not nearly as good as the previously mentioned >three obviously. I can forgive an album lyrically, if the music is good >enough. Shirley really isn't bad when compared to a lot of other rock >bands lyrics, I know we expect more from the cult lyrically, but I don't >know if they will ever find anybody as good as Pearlman, Meltzer, >Bouchard's, Moorcock, or Smith. I think the chemistry between the >original members (writing any ways), and the people that worked with >them helping them to develop there style and sound, were a once in a >lifetime miracle, maybe never to be repeated. They have made one album >with Shirley now, maybe it's time to move on. Buck and Eric are strong, >I would like to see a little creative contribution from Allen eventually >too, I think he's one of BOC's greatest songwriters, he seems to have a >really unique chord progression style. As far as lyrics, wonder what >Moorcock or Patti Smith are doing, and I wonder how Ralph Bakshi would >do, there's somebody that always reminded me of the Cult a bit :-), I >think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Buck, Eric, >and Allen got together with Bakshi and tried to write a few lyrics. JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult From iplug at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 18 12:16:54 1998 From: iplug at HOTMAIL.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:16:54 -0800 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: I always thought that G&R could've been a decent bad if they didn't have that whining ninny for a singer. (sorry for continually going off topic... I've been without a forum for too long.. Ain't having your own office and email cool? Now I can spew forth just about at will... and get paid at the same time!:) JB "Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.." -- Phish "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream.." -- Blue Oyster Cult ----- Original Message ----- From: John A Swartz Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 5:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Metallica >>> Now, if someone can explain Guns'n'Roses to me... :) > >> Easily. G&R produced a perfectly good schlock-bluesy pop-metal >debut album. > >I think "Appetite For Destruction" came out sort of right around the time >that the hair bands were at their peak (or starting to fade), and here >was a band that didn't look as "pretty" and had a raw sound. To me, G&R >were a transistion between heavy metal of the 80s and the grunge of the >90s -- they really crossed both borders. I have that album on CD, and >still listen to it on occassion - it's pretty good. There's some good >stuff on the "Use Your Illusion" albums, but it was kind of overkill at >that point, and my enthusiasm for the band waned after that (although >"You Could Be Mine" is one kick-ass tune...). > >John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 18 12:22:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:22:47 -0500 Subject: Off: American Football Message-ID: >The only real excitment has been Randy Moss, And Doug Flutie... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 18 12:24:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 12:24:53 -0500 Subject: BOC/Doors: Watney's Red Barrel Message-ID: >When BOC first came out, some critics heralded them as successors to the Doors. Also, when they were Soft White Underbelly, Elecktra prez Jack Holtzman thought he had found the new Jim Morrison in Les Braunstein. John From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 18 13:14:35 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:35 EST Subject: HW: Griffin Live Chronicles Message-ID: Me, me!! Was I first??? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Dec 18 13:31:15 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:31:15 EST Subject: HW: Griffin Live Chronicles Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-18 13:16:40 EST, you write: << Me, me!! Was I first??? Chuck >> I apologize for posting this to the list, instead of e-mail. (I was too excited.) But then, in apologizing, I fill your box w/one more trash e-mail. Which would have been better? To have not sent this e-mail at all and have let the orig. e-mail just make me look stupid? Just curious for future reference, Chuck From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Dec 18 14:38:15 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:38:15 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Sales comparisons Message-ID: I thought this was interesting. I take it these are current rankings and not overall. According to http://www.amazon.com : >Box of Hammers >Amazon.com Sales Rank: 53,227 >Trepanation >Amazon.com Sales Rank: 90,165 >Malpractise >Amazon.com Sales Rank: 74,089 >Eponymous >Amazon.com Sales Rank: 90,164 Just for random comparison: Radio Birdman: Radios Appear Amazon.com Sales Rank: 43,170 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 18 13:57:46 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:57:46 EDT Subject: BOC in GS In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C765628F0@bpxsv.pulleyn.com> Message-ID: January '99 ish of Guitar Shop's got a really nice feature on BOC, incl. 2 big pics of BD, and 2 pics from the old days. Check it out... theo From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Dec 18 17:13:52 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:13:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Metallica In-Reply-To: <199812181400.JAA07361@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: >I saw FP open for Alice Cooper in the late 80s at the Boston Garden -- they >were booed during every song, with the possible exception of their cover >of the Stone's "Honky-Tonk Women". It was sad... Ahem, have BOC ever been booed in some occasion? O:-) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 18 19:15:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:15:41 -0000 Subject: BOC: Shirley/Lovecraft Message-ID: Late night, pissed, browsing the John Shirley website: this phrase (in an okay essay about horror) made me laugh. > Is it sexual repression? Lovecraft's Cthulhu looks like a genitalia salad, after all. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 18 20:23:07 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:23:07 GMT Subject: HW: Live tracks Message-ID: A little more work on this: TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Time of the Hawklords CD-R --------------------- Who's Gonna Win the War? ? - We can't solve this one unless we find someone with the CD. Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] --------------------- Slap it on de Table ? - Dunno. This will come down to identifying who plays on the track. Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 ---------------------------- Flying Doctor ? - Could be from Oxford 6/10/78 like most Hawklords stuff. Need the tape to check. Travellers Aid Trust (Double LP 1988) -------------------- Brainstorm ? - I could swear I've heard this elsewhere, like one of the videos. Blue Dreamer ? - As above Damage of Life ? - I think this is Brocky futzing in the studio Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock --------- The War ? - Probably studio circa 1979 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 --------- Came Home ? - I'd guess about 71/72 with them jamming in the studio Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 --------- Live and Let Live ? Etchanatae ? - Try and identify who plays on these. Independent Days ---------------- Hurry On Sundown ? (same as Hawkwind Zoo) - This was a demo. The Emergency Broadcast System Samples -------------------------------------- Coded Languages ? - I suspect this is another live version post-processed in the studio The Ambient Anarchists ---------------------- Love in Space ? - Hard to say, but it's obviously late 90's. Acid Daze --------- Masters of the Universe ? World of Tiers ? Hale and Baker definitely present on these. Still quite likely to be Lewisham 80. Also I've found an error on Ghost Dance in the Codex. The entry is now: Ghost Dance L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 1 Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 Castle Masters Collection [CD only] L 1 Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 1 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] L 1 Live Chronicles [Castle 2CD bonus compilation disc] L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 1 a Out and Intake L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 The Golden Void L 3 * Hawkfan 12" L 4 Undisclosed Files - Addendum [CD Only] * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 3 is a "live edit" From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Dec 19 10:55:18 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:55:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Live tracks Message-ID: At 01:23 1998-12-19 GMT, FoFP typed: >A little more work on this: > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Time of the Hawklords CD-R >--------------------- >Who's Gonna Win the War? ? > >- We can't solve this one unless we find someone with the CD. why trying to solve something that's made in the bare quantity of five copies? to what use? I think this kind of CD-Recordables is exactly what you should stop looking for in the Codex Project. -rwxr--r-- .joe below my notes from January 1997 of this release: ---------------------------------------------------- Time of the Hawklords Time Of / Death Trap / Micro Man / Spirit of the Age / Urban Guerilla / Steppenwolf / Freefall / Uncle Sam's on Mars / Iron Dream / Who's Gonna Win the War / Flying Doctor / Brainstorm 1996/12 CD-R ( ? - US) Bootleg. CD-Recordable. Only 5 copies made. Track 1 is a studio recording, track 2-9 is the complete Weird 104 - Hawklords Live '78 tape, recorded at Plymouth - Polytechnic - 1978.11.23. Track 10-12 is from unknown dates and venues. ---------------------------------------------------- From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat Dec 19 12:09:37 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:09:37 +0000 Subject: Happy Christmas All Message-ID: Best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most joyous traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, but with respect for the religious persuasion of others who choose to practice their own religion as well as those who choose not to practice a religion at all; plus, A fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the generally accepted calendar year 1999, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of the other cultures whose contributions have helped make our society great, without regard to age, race, creed, color, religion, national origin, disability, political affiliation or sexual orientation. (Disclaimer: This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for him/herself or others and no responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 19 12:22:39 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:22:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Live tracks Message-ID: On l?r 19 dec 1998 16.55 +0100 "Johan Edlundh" wrote: > why trying to solve something that's made in the bare quantity of five > copies? to what use? I think this kind of CD-Recordables is exactly what you > should stop looking for in the Codex Project. I agree. The CD-R's are really sort of sub-bootleg territory. If I made a tape of live Hawkwind stuff and tried to flog it to people should the material on it be listed in the Codex? I don't think so. I realize this is a blurry area now that anyone can issue their own bootleg records, but counting the CD-Rs seems to take it too far, IMO. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Dec 19 12:42:32 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:42:32 EST Subject: HW: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? Message-ID: A friend of mine who's not on the list sent me this message. We've both been l looking for that Griffin double-CD version of LC. I just scored one off of Keith. But my friend found this, I guess at CDNOW, or one of those places. Anyway, I've never heard of this...it's release date is '98, obviously it doesn't have the extra stuff that's on the Griffin CD, but maybe someone can tell us what's on this bonus CD? Thanks, Chuck << Is this the Live Chronicles we were after?... $15.49 -- IMC481832 -- IMPORT Add to Basket Digitally remastered reissue of the legendary space rock outfit's 1988 live album for GWR, 'Live Chronicles', which itself is a compilation of the highlights from their 1985 tour 'Chronicle Of The Black Sword'. This release also includes a bonus CD: a 14 track sampler of Hawkwind tracks from the reissues of the group's Bronze/ GWR eras. A combined total of 38 tracks. 1998 Essential/ Castle release. Song Titles: angels of death choose your masques conjuration dragons and fables dreaming city dust of time elric the enchanter fight sequence horn of fate lords of choas magnu master of the universe moonglum narration narration needle gun rocky paths shade gate song of the swords the dark lords the pulsing cavern the sea king wizards of pan tang zaroainia >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Anish Subject: live chron Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:33:16 -0800 Size: 3097 URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Dec 19 12:47:36 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:47:36 EST Subject: BOC: Covers ofU nknown Origin Message-ID: Jason writes: > ...BOC doing "SOul Kitchen" at a show...Anyone know what "Candy Store-Turn Out The Red Light" is? it was played 75-11-03 in Paris and 75-11-20 in Newcastle (yay Newcastle!)75-11-21 in Manchester (though the listing is only for Candy Store at this gig.) > Any clues cultophiles? This is actually "Turn On Your Love Light", it's also on the Manchester 11/25/75 tape. There was a Greatful Dead song of this name - at least it was a song they did a lot - although I've never heard the original. Probably this, though, it's a spare, jazzy thing with Buck playing a lead line that sounds very San Francisco-y (or Stalk-Forrest-y). Allen Lanier is on piano, Albert on vocals and drumming, again in a much more jazzy fashion than with the usual BOC songs - is he using brushes?. It's only a couple of minutes long, and seems to serve as an intro to "Cities on Flame", to which it certainly makes an interesting counterpoint. I don't know what "Candy Store" is. "Soul Kitchen" is on a circulating tape recorded at the Willow Ice Chalet in Chicago 4/12/75. Seems like a pretty faithful rendering of the original, guitar-heavy, that kicks into overdrive with a double-timed middle section based around the "You Really Got Me" riff, with keys and dual guitars trading off solos in patented BOC call-and-response style. I don't know how often they did this, but it rocks, and beats the stuffing out of the "Roadhouse Blues" covers that would crop up later (which I felt were a little more relaxed and free-form than the songs' set position called for). -Chris Baker From ChStier at AOL.COM Sat Dec 19 15:28:16 1998 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:28:16 EST Subject: HW: Tape Trades Message-ID: Hi Folks, I was just wondering if anyone was interested in setting up some Hawkwind and related tape trades. I have much to offer. Please drop me a line if interested. Thanks Chris From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Dec 19 17:15:43 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:15:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <34125471.367be588@aol.com> from "Chuck Rosenberg" at Dec 19, 98 12:42:32 pm Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > > l looking for that Griffin double-CD version of LC. I just scored one off of > Keith. But my friend found this, I guess at CDNOW, or one of those places. [...] > $15.49 -- IMC481832 -- IMPORT > > Add to Basket > > Digitally remastered reissue of the legendary space rock outfit's 1988 > live album for GWR, 'Live Chronicles', which itself is a compilation of > the highlights from their 1985 tour 'Chronicle Of The Black Sword'. This > release also includes a bonus CD: a 14 track sampler of Hawkwind > tracks from the reissues of the group's Bronze/ GWR eras. A combined > total of 38 tracks. 1998 Essential/ Castle release. Keith, could you do us fanatics a favor, and ask your friend what website that came from? I just searched cdnow, musicboulevard and rpmrecords, and couldn't find any sign of it. Thanks! Steve swann at plutonia.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 19 18:51:24 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:51:24 GMT Subject: HW: Live tracks In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:22:39 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On l?r 19 dec 1998 16.55 +0100 "Johan Edlundh" > wrote: > > why trying to solve something that's made in the bare quantity of five > > copies? to what use? I think this kind of CD-Recordables is exactly what > you > > should stop looking for in the Codex Project. > > I agree. The CD-R's are really sort of sub-bootleg territory. > If I made a tape of live Hawkwind stuff and tried to flog it to > people should the material on it be listed in the Codex? I don't > think so. I realize this is a blurry area now that anyone can > issue their own bootleg records, but counting the CD-Rs seems to > take it too far, IMO. As I understand it, this is extra-curricular to the codex. The bootlegs don't exist in the codex any longer (except for a very few items) but it seemed useful to make a list of the extremely dispersed but quite extensive non-tape live material available together with its original source. We could probably add the appropriate information to the items still legitimatly in the Codex but it won't otherwise be part of it. However it will be useful next time somebody asks which tracks on Out and Intake are live or whether they can watch a video and listen to a CD or one of the Wierd Tapes at the same time! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Dec 19 23:06:50 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Video source? Message-ID: Hey all, Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Hawkwind video _Live at the Cleveland Phantasy Theater_? I'd prefer NTSC format, but in extremis I'd settle for PAL, and get it converted. And secondarily, I understand that there are something like three versions of that video. Does anyone know what differentiates the various versions, and which ones might be preferable to get (assuming that it's still possible to get any of them anymore)? Thanks, Steve swann at panix.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Dec 20 10:36:13 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:36:13 +0800 Subject: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <34125471.367be588@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi there > A friend of mine who's not on the list sent me this message. > We've both been > l looking for that Griffin double-CD version of LC. I just > scored one off of > Keith. But my friend found this, I guess at CDNOW, or one of those places. > Anyway, I've never heard of this...it's release date is '98, obviously it > doesn't have the extra stuff that's on the Griffin CD, but maybe > someone can > tell us what's on this bonus CD? Thanks, Chuck > > << Is this the Live Chronicles we were after?... > > $15.49 -- IMC481832 -- IMPORT > This one is a release of the original single version of Live Chronicles, with an extra CD which is another 'Best Of'. William From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Dec 20 12:28:18 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:28:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Live tracks Message-ID: At 23:51 1998-12-19 GMT, you wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > >> On l?r 19 dec 1998 16.55 +0100 "Johan Edlundh" >> wrote: >> > why trying to solve something that's made in the bare quantity of five >> > copies? to what use? I think this kind of CD-Recordables is exactly what >> you >> > should stop looking for in the Codex Project. >> >> I agree. The CD-R's are really sort of sub-bootleg territory. >> If I made a tape of live Hawkwind stuff and tried to flog it to >> people should the material on it be listed in the Codex? I don't >> think so. I realize this is a blurry area now that anyone can >> issue their own bootleg records, but counting the CD-Rs seems to >> take it too far, IMO. > >As I understand it, this is extra-curricular to the codex. > >The bootlegs don't exist in the codex any longer (except for >a very few items) but it seemed useful to make a list of the >extremely dispersed but quite extensive non-tape live material >available together with its original source. > >We could probably add the appropriate information to the items >still legitimatly in the Codex but it won't otherwise be part of >it. ok. no Codex. >However it will be useful next time somebody asks which >tracks on Out and Intake are live or whether they can watch a >video and listen to a CD or one of the Wierd Tapes at the same time! During the day I've made a Compact Cassette Collection for myself. Track list is a kind of oddities from the Acid Daze Trilogy - my favorite movement of Hawkwind fame - added with two bonus tracks from the Stockholm/Daily's Bar concert 1991.09.29 (levitation / arrival in utopia). Because of the last two tracks, I've entitled my creation "Stockholm Appearance. I've made a nice sleeve in color, that's been printed on my cheap Ink Jet. I'm proud of myself - because I know the Stockholm live tracks has not been released before, so the majority of Hawkwind Kollektors around the world are drooling now. See below: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Stockholm Appearance" (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia -------------------------------------------------------------- Can my tape and I be a part of this "Live Trax Project"? (You don't even drool..?) oh well. you said "...non tape" But if I spin up my CD-R, and move the music from the Cassette media into my computer, and then further out on a CD Recordable. It's easy to stretch the Cover Art to a little more Squary form - it even look more spacier now. Great! I'll try again. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Stockholm Appearance" (dec '98, Sweden - CD Recordable, only one copy made) (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia -------------------------------------------------------------- Is "Stockholm Appearance" now qualified for this "Live Trax Project"? Aw... Come on! Well, still at the computer, I create four more CD-R copies. There is still ink in the printer, and... there's five copies lying on the table. I'll send a copy to Brian Tawn, and if I'm lucky, he'll mention my creation. I'll try again. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Stockholm Appearance" (dec '98, Sweden - CD Recordable, only five copies made) (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia -------------------------------------------------------------- Well, Am I in this time..? .joe btw, I've got four ultra rare CD-R bootlegs left, that is for trade. there is "never before released" live material on this Hawkwind bootleg. I'm looking for the Mind Journey acetate, but a few BBC Transcripion Discs can I also find use for. reply off list, thank you - but do it now. tomorrow can it be too late. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Dec 20 14:19:17 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:19:17 EST Subject: HW: re: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-20 10:29:26 EST, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: << > << Is this the Live Chronicles we were after?... > > $15.49 -- IMC481832 -- IMPORT > This one is a release of the original single version of Live Chronicles, with an extra CD which is another 'Best Of'. William Well, that makes sense, I guess that should have been obvious. Also I'm guessing that since the "bonus" CD is of Bronze material (Live '79 and Levitation), then it must be more recycling, since that material is fair game for reissue. Chuck From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Dec 20 15:18:23 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:18:23 -0500 Subject: HW: re: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <79e8bccb.367d4db5@aol.com> from "Chuck Rosenberg" at Dec 20, 98 02:19:17 pm Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > > In a message dated 98-12-20 10:29:26 EST, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > > << > << Is this the Live Chronicles we were after?... > > > > $15.49 -- IMC481832 -- IMPORT > > > This one is a release of the original single version of Live Chronicles, > with an extra CD which is another 'Best Of'. > > William > > Well, that makes sense, I guess that should have been obvious. Also I'm > guessing that since the "bonus" CD is of Bronze material (Live '79 and > Levitation), then it must be more recycling, since that material is fair game > for reissue. More recycling perhaps, except that the excerpt from the mystery web page (which the original poster quoted, but did not give the URL for) claims that that this is a remastering effort. And given that it's being issued by Castle and Essential Records (the people who put out the very excellent Black Sabbath remasters), I'm planning on giving this one a shot. What the hell, I only own 3 editions of _Live Chronicles_, there's always room for more. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Dec 20 16:04:10 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:04:10 -0000 Subject: HW: re: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <199812202018.PAA32587@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Have a look at Andy Dawson's HW discography page: http://www.adawson.clara.net/livechbo.html - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Dec 20 18:05:35 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:05:35 -0500 Subject: HW: re: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <000001be2c5c$4a699780$a62e63c3@default> from "Andy Gilham" at Dec 20, 98 09:04:10 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Have a look at Andy Dawson's HW discography page: > > http://www.adawson.clara.net/livechbo.html Yep, it's looking like a remaster. And once again, it looks to be by the same folks (Castle/Essential) who did the Black Sabbath remasters, which would be just what I've been waiting for. On the Black Sabbath rematsers, they did a beautiful job of bringing out the music, while resisting the urge to "clean it up" too much. I don't know how many people have bothered to do a serious listening comparison between the GWR LP _Live Chronicles_, the original one-disc Castle CD, and the Griffin 2-disc CD set... I have. :-) And the fact is that neither of the CD releases sounds as good as the LP. On the LP, the upper frequencies are sweet sounding and balanced, and the guitar sound cuts loud and clear through the mix. It's really a beautiful sounding album. On the original Castle CD release, the high frequencies are way too emphasized, resulting in a lot of the synth washes sounding almost painfully bright. Also, a lot of the guitar sound is sort of "mixed down" (maybe just obscured by the overly bright high freq?). Aside from this problem, it sounds basically like the LP, which leads me to believe that perhaps this CD was mixed using the vinyl-EQ'ed production tapes...? The Griffin CDs are just plain _muddy_. They don't sound anything like the LPs at all, in that they're notably duller, almost muffled. I can't stand to listen to them anymore, except when I want to hear the extra tracks. So, hopefully this new Castle/Essential remaster will be what we _Live Chronicles_ nutcases have been wanting all along (I'll let you know as soon as I find some reputable web music dealer who carries it)... :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Dec 20 18:10:39 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:10:39 GMT Subject: HW: Clones (was Live tracks) In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes with an air of cynical sarcasm: > > During the day I've made a Compact Cassette Collection for myself. > Track list is a kind of oddities from the Acid Daze Trilogy - my favorite > movement of Hawkwind fame - added with two bonus tracks from the > Stockholm/Daily's Bar concert 1991.09.29 (levitation / arrival in utopia). > Because of the last two tracks, I've entitled my creation "Stockholm > Appearance. I've made a nice sleeve in color, that's been printed on my > cheap Ink Jet. > I'm proud of myself - because I know the Stockholm live tracks has not been > released before, so the majority of Hawkwind Kollektors around the world are > drooling now. See below: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > "Stockholm Appearance" > (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) > > Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the > universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That > / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Can my tape and I be a part of this "Live Trax Project"? > (You don't even drool..?) > oh well. you said "...non tape" nope - and I fear you will never even be able to trade your tape since you have included chunks of pre-recorded vinyl on it as well. > But if I spin up my CD-R, and move the music from the Cassette media into my > computer, and then further out on a CD Recordable. It's easy to stretch the > Cover Art to a little more Squary form - it even look more spacier now. Great! > I'll try again. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > "Stockholm Appearance" > (dec '98, Sweden - CD Recordable, only one copy made) > (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) > > Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the > universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That > / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Is "Stockholm Appearance" now qualified for this "Live Trax Project"? > Aw... Come on! I confess that I was not initially involved in making this list although I am *gladly* now helping in its creation wherever I can and I should probably have kept my big mouth shut in the first instance but IMO: Since you have given a recording date for the two live Stockholm tracks I'm sure it would be no problem to include in the listing that there is a one-off CDR that contains a live version of Levitation and Arrival in Utopia from Stockholm whatever-the-date-is. And I'm equally sure that it would also be worth a mention, together with a strong warning, that the same CD has taken the rest of the tracks straight off Acid Daze. It still won't rate an entry in the Codex! > Well, still at the computer, I create four more CD-R copies. There is still > ink in the printer, and... there's five copies lying on the table. I'll send > a copy to Brian Tawn, and if I'm lucky, he'll mention my creation. > I'll try again. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > "Stockholm Appearance" > (dec '98, Sweden - CD Recordable, only five copies made) > (dec '98, Sweden - Cassette Album, only one copy made) > > Angels Of Death / Spirit of the Age / Douglas In The Jungle / Master of the > universe / Ghost Dance / Earth Calling / Born To Go / You Shouldn't Do That > / British Tribal Music / Levitation / Arrival in Utopia > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Well, > Am I in this time..? Sadly I don't think you'll have much of a market for 9 Acid Daze tracks and 2 live in Stockholm ones - not to mention the fact that your Hawkwind Passport will probably be confiscated by the band the instant you set foot in this country (which reminds me - has anyone had their Passports returned yet?) However your two live tracks are duly listed - never fear! But for heavens sake - it's just a list! I actually find it rather interesting to know which versions of (say) Ghost Dance are live and which are studio and what the different dates are - the style of the track differs fundamentaly depending on which band members are performing on it and there are definitely some periods of Hawkwind I prefer than others and will listen to by choice! But that's just my preference and I'm therefore helping to make this listing because it is of interest to me. But I don't expect everyone will feel quite so interested so I have no doubt that there will in due course be a "Komplete" listing for those who Kare about such things and a reduced version to assist the curious with legit and available releases. That's the way of things. But I'm sorry if the idea of making the list upsets you - if you prefer, whenever I mail on the topic I'll put something into the header of any messages as a warning that any mail with that in will be discussing it - or if you feel it necessary I shall refrain from posting any further mentions of it at all. jill > > > .joe > > btw, > I've got four ultra rare CD-R bootlegs left, that is for trade. there is > "never before released" live material on this Hawkwind bootleg. > I'm looking for the Mind Journey acetate, but a few BBC Transcripion Discs > can I also find use for. reply off list, thank you - but do it now. tomorrow > can it be too late. > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Dec 20 20:49:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:49:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Clones (was Live tracks) Message-ID: On s?n 20 dec 1998 23.10 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > But I'm sorry if the idea of making the list upsets you - if you prefer, > whenever I mail on the topic I'll put something into the header of any > messages as a warning that any mail with that in will be discussing it > - or if you feel it necessary I shall refrain from posting any > further mentions of it at all. I am now definitely losing track of which list listing what we're discussing on this list! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG Mon Dec 21 01:15:32 1998 From: wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG (mjt) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:15:32 -0500 Subject: BOC Imaginos Analysis? Message-ID: Hello there. I'm kind of new to this list, but I'd read in the FAQ about an analysis of Imaginos that Bryce Baker wrote -- it says it should be in the archives, but I can't find it. Does anybody know (perhaps Bryce? ;-) where I could find a copy to read? I'd very much like to... Thanks! mjt -- "The bank balance was Noel Constant's share in the estate of his anarachist father. The estate had consisted principally of government bonds." -- Kurt Vonnegut, "Sirens of Titan" ICQ: 3856787 From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 21 02:58:17 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:58:17 EST Subject: HW: stuff from NG's (Sonic Assassins EP, etc.) Message-ID: DAVID" Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 15:33 EST Message-id: <75efd1$j8e$1 at newnews.global.net.uk> Updated 18/12/98. HAWKWIND (SONIC ASSASSINS) OVER THE TOP 12" FLICKNIFE FLEP 101 EX/EX ?5.00 HAWKWIND LIVE 79 LP BRONZE BRON 527 EX/EX ?4.00 HAWKWIND HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL LP UA UAG 29672 EX/EX ?10.00 HAWKWIND LIVE SEVENTY NINE (GERMAN) LP BRONZE 202 553-320 EX/EX ?6.00 HAWKWIND ROADHAWKS (GERMAN) LP EMI 038-82 624 VG/EX ?6.00 HAWKWIND WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME (POP UP SLV) LP UA UAG 29766 EX/EX ?15.00 As usual, order at own risk... I think UAG is UAGermany, so I guess Hall and Warrior are German. Chuck From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Dec 21 03:24:49 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:24:49 +0000 Subject: HW: stuff from NG's (Sonic Assassins EP, etc.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 02:58 21/12/98 EST, you wrote: >DAVID" >Date: Fri, Dec 18, 1998 15:33 EST >Message-id: <75efd1$j8e$1 at newnews.global.net.uk> > >Updated 18/12/98. > >HAWKWIND (SONIC ASSASSINS) OVER THE TOP 12" FLICKNIFE FLEP 101 EX/EX ?5.00 >HAWKWIND LIVE 79 LP BRONZE BRON 527 EX/EX ?4.00 >HAWKWIND HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL LP UA UAG 29672 EX/EX ?10.00 >HAWKWIND LIVE SEVENTY NINE (GERMAN) LP BRONZE 202 553-320 EX/EX ?6.00 >HAWKWIND ROADHAWKS (GERMAN) LP EMI 038-82 624 VG/EX ?6.00 >HAWKWIND WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME (POP UP SLV) LP UA UAG 29766 EX/EX >?15.00 > >As usual, order at own risk... I think UAG is UAGermany, so I guess Hall and >Warrior are German. Chuck > > > Hi Folks The Guy is David Martin from Whitchurch in Hampshire U.K. I have deal with him in the past and found him to be very reliable. Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Dec 21 03:25:41 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:25:41 +0000 Subject: HW: re: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: <000001be2c5c$4a699780$a62e63c3@default> Message-ID: At 21:04 20/12/98 -0000, you wrote: >Have a look at Andy Dawson's HW discography page: > >http://www.adawson.clara.net/livechbo.html > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > Thanks for the plug Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Dec 21 04:50:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:50:00 GMT Subject: That's Original: Levi Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-21 09:50 >Full Message Title: That's Original: Levitation/Live '79 >In a used CD store, I found a copy of the double CD "That's Original: >Levitation/Live '79" on Castle. I can't remember the exact price (too >much holiday shopping getting in the way!), but it was in the US$20 - 22 >range. I already have a copy, so if anyone wants it, I would be happy >to pick it up for them for the cost plus shipping. I'm also open to >trade offers. >Holiday cheers to all, >Frank Just a word of warning about this set: the Levitation transfer is poorer than the Bronze/Castle single disc transfer and also has a track indexing error during Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The War. Mark From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Dec 21 04:53:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:53:00 GMT Subject: HW: Live tracks Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-21 09:53 At 01:23 1998-12-19 GMT, FoFP typed: >A little more work on this: > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Time of the Hawklords CD-R >--------------------- >Who's Gonna Win the War? ? > >- We can't solve this one unless we find someone with the CD. Is this the same version as the Hawklords Who's Gonna Win The War/Time Of 7"? I've always been curious as to when this was recorded. Mark From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Dec 21 05:25:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:25:00 GMT Subject: Jap Levitation/Live 79 Wa Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-21 10:25 Does anyone have the Japanese Levitation/Live 79 CD for sale please? (preferably in the UK to make things easier). Thanks Mark From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 21 09:04:05 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:04:05 GMT Subject: HW: Help? Weird new L. Chronicles? In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:42:32 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_914089353_boundary > Content-ID: <0_914089353 at inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > A friend of mine who's not on the list sent me this message. We've both been > l looking for that Griffin double-CD version of LC. I just scored one off of > Keith. But my friend found this, I guess at CDNOW, or one of those places. > Anyway, I've never heard of this...it's release date is '98, obviously it > doesn't have the extra stuff that's on the Griffin CD, but maybe someone can > tell us what's on this bonus CD? Thanks, Chuck My latest version of the Codex includes this. Email me for a copy. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 21 10:17:26 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:17:26 -0500 Subject: BOC Imaginos Analysis? Message-ID: >Hello there. I'm kind of new to this list, but I'd read in the FAQ about an analysis of Imaginos that Bryce Baker wrote What is in the FAQ is about 95% of what Bryce (aka Brian) wrote. John From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 21 11:42:19 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:42:19 GMT Subject: off: shortest day Message-ID: Just to wish everyone a Happy Winter Solstice. The festive season is almost upon us.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 21 13:14:09 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:14:09 GMT Subject: OFF: almost spring Message-ID: Happy winter solstice to one and all. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 21 14:31:08 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:31:08 EST Subject: HW: Praise for Andrew Dawson... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-21 03:29:25 EST, you write: << Thanks for the plug Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson >> --Thanks to Andy and Andrew--wonderful page! Answered all my questions, and then some. I'll tell you, though, Andrew, your page was also a bit frustrating. Finding so much material on CD that I don't have. Like "Alive & Kicking", w/the Watchfield and Stonehenge stuff--I thought that was only available on a Weird tape. Any idea how I might locate that CD for a reasonable price? Chuck From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Dec 21 15:47:23 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:47:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Clones (was Live tracks) Message-ID: At 23:10 1998-12-20 GMT, you wrote: >Johan Edlundh writes with an air of cynical sarcasm: apoligies. was just too inspired, I guess... now I feel better. [a few lines deleted to spare some bandwidth] >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Stockholm Appearance" >> (dec '98, Sweden - CD Recordable, only five copies made) >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Well, >> Am I in this time..? > >Sadly I don't think you'll have much of a market for 9 Acid Daze tracks >and 2 live in Stockholm ones - not to mention the fact that your >Hawkwind Passport will probably be confiscated by the band the instant >you set foot in this country (which reminds me - has anyone had their >Passports returned yet?) > >However your two live tracks are duly listed - never fear! > >But for heavens sake - it's just a list! I actually find it rather >interesting to know which versions of (say) Ghost Dance are live and >which are studio and what the different dates are - the style of the >track differs fundamentaly depending on which band members are >performing on it and there are definitely some periods of Hawkwind I >prefer than others and will listen to by choice! > >But that's just my preference and I'm therefore helping to make this >listing because it is of interest to me. But I don't expect everyone >will feel quite so interested so I have no doubt that there will in >due course be a "Komplete" listing for those who Kare about such things >and a reduced version to assist the curious with legit and available >releases. That's the way of things. > >But I'm sorry if the idea of making the list upsets you - if you prefer, >whenever I mail on the topic I'll put something into the header of any >messages as a warning that any mail with that in will be discussing it >- or if you feel it necessary I shall refrain from posting any >further mentions of it at all. > >jill I might went a bit too far in my urge to lobby off the CD-R's from every known list - but it was never meant to be personal to you, Jill. I just wanted to make completely clear how I look at the CD-R's - and that's exactly how I look at home taped Compact Cassettes. With the right equipment *everyone* can make he's or she's favorite little compilation - in the quantity of one, five, or twentyfive. Or whatever. And noone cares about cassettes... The vinyl media is different, as you first make a master record - then press the copies. And if you want to make any profit of your work effort at all, you have to press it in a minimum of 250 copies. The same goes for Real CD's - when you're about to press them, you don't stop at 7, 12 or 19 because that would be a completely waste of time, sweat and money. You press 500. Pronto. This difference between the media is what my lobbying is about. I want to see a drawn line between those different medias. If you're about to make a list, use information of a media that it's likely people have a chance to see. It isn't the idea of making a list that's upsetting me - I like keeping track of things by myself - it's why people keeps caring about the CD-R's... Substancial information of this particular CD-R "Time of the Hawklords" has been mentioned one time (jan 1997) on this mailing list, and since then - nothing new. The story was that someone has made the equivalent to five home taped Compact Cassettes, and then managed to give/sell/trade one copy to a list member. Who had cared if it had been a cassette copy of Weird 104 + additional tracks? Why do we care now? Don't Understand. I am one person who has mentioned this release since then - and it's maybe because of me this ball has rolled thus far. Now I'm trying to repair my mistake. I must also add to this discussion, that I have very hard times to let the excellent Nova Drive series stay on the other side of my newly drawn line. peace, brothers and sisters, and may the Mighty Hawk forgive me. chmod 4555 .joe (the sticky bit) >> btw, >> I've got four ultra rare CD-R bootlegs left, that is for trade. there is >> "never before released" live material on this Hawkwind bootleg. >> I'm looking for the Mind Journey acetate, but a few BBC Transcripion Discs >> can I also find use for. reply off list, thank you - but do it now. tomorrow >> can it be too late. sorry to those of you that has replied to me off list, and offering your new married wives, your komplete kollection of Yuri Gagarins, and your neighbour's barking dog - under threat of having the hawkwind passport confiscated I've deleted all five CD-R copies of "Stockholm Appearance" immediately. Yes, I even managed to catch the postman, steal the Tawn parcel, and escape by hitting top left button. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 21 16:08:11 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:08:11 EST Subject: HW: stuff from NG's (Sonic Assassins EP, etc.) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-21 02:58:17 EST, you write: << HAWKWIND (SONIC ASSASSINS) OVER THE TOP 12" FLICKNIFE FLEP 101 EX/EX ?5.00 HAWKWIND LIVE 79 LP BRONZE BRON 527 EX/EX ?4.00 HAWKWIND HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL LP UA UAG 29672 EX/EX ?10.00 HAWKWIND LIVE SEVENTY NINE (GERMAN) LP BRONZE 202 553-320 EX/EX ?6.00 HAWKWIND ROADHAWKS (GERMAN) LP EMI 038-82 624 VG/EX ?6.00 HAWKWIND WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME (POP UP SLV) LP UA UAG 29766 EX/EX ?15.00 As usual, order at own risk... I think UAG is UAGermany, so I guess Hall and Warrior are German. Chuck >> ---Well, I just received my copy of "Lucky Leif", and it too has a prefix of UAG, but it's not German, it's British. So I don't know what UAG is. Sorry. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 21 17:36:18 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:36:18 EST Subject: OFF: EEC?? Message-ID: Can someone please tell me what the "E.E.C." is in reference to record labels that read "Made in the E.E.C."?? Thanks, Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 21 20:41:05 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:41:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Roger Taylor Message-ID: Hello, Folks... Sorry to be so blatantly off-topic, but I really am not tuned in with the Queen world (let's not start *that* again, please), and Mr. Taylor is pretty much an unknown quantity here as a solo artist...sorry to say. So you'all are my best hope. :) So, assuming *someone* here is in the know, I'd like to know a bit about his newest solo album, "Electric Fire." Mainly, is it good enough to shell out the $23 plus postage to pick up the import CD? (I've seen an online interview in which he *says* he intends to work out a US release eventually, but who knows when or if that'll ever happen.) That's all...Happy Holidaze everyone...Keith H. (FAA) ObCs: Omnia Opera - Celebrate for Change From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Dec 22 00:53:13 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:53:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: EEC?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: => Can someone please tell me what the "E.E.C." is in reference to record labels => that read "Made in the E.E.C."?? It means "European Economic Community." Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Fillmore, San Francisco, CA, 11/20/98 (disc 3) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Tue Dec 22 04:41:28 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:41:28 +0300 Subject: HW: ICU lyrics Message-ID: Hello everyone! Can you help me please to find lyrics for ICU albums Maximum Effect and New Anatomy? Thanks in advance, Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Dec 22 07:33:52 1998 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:33:52 +1100 Subject: off: shortest day Message-ID: On 21 Dec 98, at 16:42, J Strobridge wrote: > Just to wish everyone a Happy Winter Solstice. The festive season is > almost upon us.... And for everyone on the right side of the globe (where it's warm at Christmas ... Melbourne's forecast is for 38 deg C), happy longest day of the year :) Soniqu? -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (sometime in 1999) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 22 06:47:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:47:57 EDT Subject: BOC Imaginos Analysis? In-Reply-To: <199812211517.KAA05222@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Hello there. I'm kind of new to this list, but I'd read in the FAQ about an > analysis of Imaginos that Bryce Baker wrote > > What is in the FAQ is about 95% of what Bryce (aka Brian) wrote. > Hey, John, Speaking of the FAQ, I think this month's Guitar Shop interview with Buck has some FAQ-worthy quotes. It's a really good article, and the writer is obviously a big BOC fan. Some great pictures too, incl. an excellent '5 guitars' shot, and 2 large pics of Buck taken recently... theo From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Wed Dec 23 08:05:08 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:05:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: EEC?? Message-ID: We can assume E.E.C. to be European Economic Community , most likely. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 12:49 AM Subject: OFF: EEC?? >Can someone please tell me what the "E.E.C." is in reference to record labels >that read "Made in the E.E.C."?? > >Thanks, Chuck > From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 22 08:24:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:24:00 GMT Subject: HW: In Your Area Release Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-22 13:24 I've just been checking through CD Universe's Hawkwind stuff and they have In Your Area listed for release on Jan 5th, 1999. Has there been a release date announcement for this yet? Mark From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Dec 22 08:28:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:28:00 GMT Subject: HW: Another Box? Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-12-22 13:28 Another CD Universe item of curiosity: "The Entire And Infinite... [3CD Box] $13.97" Anyone got any ideas about this one - I expect it to be yet another repackaging of the repackaged stuff which seems to appear in a new version every two weeks. Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Dec 22 10:18:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:18:21 -0000 Subject: HW: In Your Area Release In-Reply-To: <4523@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: What's intriguing is, that's a US release on Griffin, and I've been unable to find any info about a UK release. Which was announced earlier for the beginning of November or suchlike. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Mark Edmonds > Sent: 22 December 1998 13:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: In Your Area Release > > > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-12-22 13:24 > > I've just been checking through CD Universe's Hawkwind stuff and they have > In Your Area listed for release on Jan 5th, 1999. Has there been a release > date announcement for this yet? > > Mark > From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Dec 22 13:14:22 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:14:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Praise for Andrew Dawson... In-Reply-To: <9680b68d.367ea1fc@aol.com> Message-ID: At 14:31 21/12/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-12-21 03:29:25 EST, you write: > ><< Thanks for the plug Andy > .>--Thanks to Andy and Andrew--wonderful page! Answered all my questions, and >then some. I'll tell you, though, Andrew, your page was also a bit >frustrating. Finding so much material on CD that I don't have. Like "Alive & >Kicking", w/the Watchfield and Stonehenge stuff--I thought that was only >available on a Weird tape. Any idea how I might locate that CD for a >reasonable price? Chuck > Think you have missread the page. AFAIK "Watchfield" and "Alive" have only been issued as bootleg vinyl. Watchfield is fairly? easy to find although I have yet to find a copy of "Alive". I am assured it exists though. Anyone have a scan available? or better still a copy for sale (Some hope !!!) Andy PS if anyone wants a copy of "Live at the Bottom Line" bootleg LP check out http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/ There are also a couple of Hawkwind related 70's posters but they are extremely pricey IMHO. Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Dec 22 13:27:14 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:27:14 EST Subject: HW: Another Box? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-22 08:31:34 EST, you write: << Another CD Universe item of curiosity: "The Entire And Infinite... [3CD Box] $13.97" Anyone got any ideas about this one - I expect it to be yet another repackaging of the repackaged stuff which seems to appear in a new version every two weeks. Mark >> I think re-repackaging Yuri/Text/SR2 for a cheap box set is fair enough. But now they're reissuing even _this_ reissue of a reissue, and it's really driving me fucking crazy. I've a friend, who finally seems to be turning the corner into real Hawkfandom, and I don't know what the hell to tell him anymore. I thought, well, I can put their history up till now in a nutshell, as far as releases go, but the confusion seems to only be accelerating, as more and more come out. Chuck From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Dec 22 13:27:35 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:27:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Another Box? In-Reply-To: <4527@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 13:28 22/12/98 GMT, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1998-12-22 13:28 > >Another CD Universe item of curiosity: > >"The Entire And Infinite... [3CD Box] $13.97" > >Anyone got any ideas about this one - I expect it to be yet another >repackaging of the repackaged stuff which seems to appear in a new version >every two weeks. > >Mark > Appears to be the USA release of "Welcome to the Future" box set released by Dressed to Kill CLP0220-2 in 1997 in the U.K. Masters of the Universe. Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. Space Ritual Vol 2. The Text of Festival. Need I say more?. Maybe it contains the missing tracks from the U.K release. Then again as it's advertised as a 3CD set!!!. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 22 13:30:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:30:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Praise for Andrew Dawson... Message-ID: On tis 22 dec 1998 18.14 +0000 "Andrew Dawson" wrote: > There are also a couple of Hawkwind related 70's posters but they are > extremely pricey IMHO. I got my HotMG poster for 5 bucks a few years back! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Dec 22 13:33:49 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:33:49 EST Subject: HW: Praise for Andrew Dawson... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-22 13:19:31 EST, you write: << Think you have missread the page. AFAIK "Watchfield" and "Alive" have only been issued as bootleg vinyl. ---Sorry, you're right. I'll have to have my eyes checked. Or my head. Maybe I'm just getting old... Watchfield is fairly? easy to find although I have yet to find a copy of "Alive". I am assured it exists though. Anyone have a scan available? or better still a copy for sale (Some hope !!!) ---Watchfield fairly easy to find? Maybe in England, but not in the States. Hawkwind bootleg vinyl isn't exactly burgeoning in these parts. Though maybe I don't get around enough. Andy >> ---Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Dec 22 13:36:30 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:36:30 EST Subject: HW: Another Box? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-22 13:31:43 EST, you write: << Appears to be the USA release of "Welcome to the Future" box set released by Dressed to Kill CLP0220-2 in 1997 in the U.K. Masters of the Universe. Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. Space Ritual Vol 2. The Text of Festival. Need I say more?. Maybe it contains the missing tracks from the U.K release. Then again as it's advertised as a 3CD set!!!. Andy Andrew Dawson >> ---Maybe I'm missing something here, or I really am losing it, but why are Masters and Text in the same box if they're the exact same thing??? Irritable this morning, Chuck From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 22 16:24:38 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:24:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: GuitarShop Article Message-ID: Just picked up the Jan '99 issue of Guitar Shop, which contains a very good article on BOC. A few cool pictures, but mostly an overall positive review for *Heaven Forbid*, and a little bit about the state of BOC today. Check it out. John From adawson at CLARA.NET Wed Dec 23 04:40:44 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:40:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Another Box? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:36 22/12/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-12-22 13:31:43 EST, you write: > ><< Appears to be the USA release of "Welcome to the Future" box set released > by Dressed to Kill CLP0220-2 in 1997 in the U.K. > Masters of the Universe. Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. Space Ritual > Vol 2. The Text of Festival. Need I say more?. > Maybe it contains the missing tracks from the U.K release. Then again as > it's advertised as a 3CD set!!!. > > Andy > Andrew Dawson >> > >---Maybe I'm missing something here, or I really am losing it, but why are >Masters and Text in the same box if they're the exact same thing??? > Irritable this morning, Chuck > > Rip off the punters springs to mind :-( Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Dec 23 06:47:50 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:50 GMT Subject: Goodbye Message-ID: Dear all, I am sorry to say that I'll be signing off now. I subscribe from a work account, and they've just made me redundant. Season's Greetings to one and all. Cheers, Neil. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 23 07:08:20 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:08:20 GMT Subject: HW: Another Box? In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:36:30 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 98-12-22 13:31:43 EST, you write: > > << Appears to be the USA release of "Welcome to the Future" box set released > by Dressed to Kill CLP0220-2 in 1997 in the U.K. > Masters of the Universe. Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin. Space Ritual > Vol 2. The Text of Festival. Need I say more?. > Maybe it contains the missing tracks from the U.K release. Then again as > it's advertised as a 3CD set!!!. > > Andy > Andrew Dawson >> > > ---Maybe I'm missing something here, or I really am losing it, but why are > Masters and Text in the same box if they're the exact same thing??? > Irritable this morning, Chuck Depends *which* Masters of the Universe. There were about 5 I think at the last counting. Could even be more. It may be the genuine official release of all the guff that has been going around in reissue format for years - perhaps this is a gathering together of everything, for one final issue, and the other reissues will now cease. Has anyone checked against the discography to see if all the various titles relating to 'In The Beginning' 'Masters of the Universe' 'Text of Festival' and 'Yuri Gagarin' (I think that's all) have been covered in this issue? But as far as other stuff like endless Acid Daze are concerned, I just wish that there was some way we could get together a group of the Koncerned Friends of the Hawkwind Kollectors Klub - or maybe even just the Koncerned Kollectors Klub (KKK) and lobby the record shops to say "Hey guys - you really don't want to be stocking your shelves with this stuff". On the other hand this is exactly the kind of situation that would make an excellent TV documentary - especially since there have already been several programmes on the inequities of album distribution and Hawkwind seem to be a prime example of how a band can lose out through a confusion of copyright, distribution, availability of cheap CDs compared the vastly expensive official releases etc. etc. I guess we could even form our own independent TV documentary company, hire a few cameras and do a Public Service documentary ourselves...... Just my contributory thought for Christmas! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Dec 23 08:37:19 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:37:19 +0100 Subject: OFF. Dr Hasbeen photos. Message-ID: Merry christmas everyone! There?s a few updates I thought you should now about. New live pictures on the Dr Hasbeen page: http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60104377/uk.htm A completely new page with photos taken by a Danish photographer: http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60104377/photos.htm The "Elf..." CD and DLP is now released according to the record-company and should arrive to your local dealer next week with any luck. All the best Peace of mind records / Henrik ========================================================== Peace of Mind Records c/o Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: peaceofmind at telia.com Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 23 09:03:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:03:16 +0000 Subject: OFF. Dr Hasbeen photos. Message-ID: On ons 23 dec 1998 14.37 +0100 "Henrik Hallgren" wrote: > There?s a few updates I thought you should now about. > New live pictures on the Dr Hasbeen page: > http://w1.601.telia.com/~u60104377/uk.htm Alas, the Dr. Hasbeen pictures did not load for me. Still, a nice page! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 23 09:06:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:06:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: I was horrified to discover that the copies of the Alan Davey Sci-fi-delic CD-R which I bought on his autumn tour have degraded to the point where my CD player won't even read some of the tracks, and there is terrible noise everywhere. Anyone else have this problem? Since I got one of these to send to Scott Heller, I'd rather like to replace them. Anyone know a contact address for ordering stuff from Alan? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Dec 23 10:15:28 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:15:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: CARDIACS Message-ID: I've seen a few mentions of the Cardiacs over the last few months, so y'all might like to know that they're playing three nights at the Camden Barfly on January 29/30/31. Tickets are ?8, available from Org, Unit 212. the old gramophone works, london w10 5bz, tel 0181-964-3066 (cheques to organart), e-mail organ at organart.demon.co.uk. Tell them Zeitgesit sent you. Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Wed Dec 23 11:33:13 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:33:13 -0500 Subject: HW:Alan Davey's "Sci-Fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I was horrified to discover that the copies of the Alan > Davey Sci-fi-delic CD-R which I bought on his autumn tour have > degraded to the point where my CD player won't even read some > of the tracks, and there is terrible noise everywhere. Anyone > else have this problem? Since I got one of these to send to Scott > Heller, I'd rather like to replace them. Anyone know a contact > address for ordering stuff from Alan? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ Built-in Obsolescence? the record industry has been looking for something like this. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- Send your snail mail address to mpower at ml.com for your FREE live VHS NTSC video of Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G?. http://www.uniflex.net/~borntogo/btg.html BtG website http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/borntogo for the Btg Mailing-list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/spacerockers for all things SpaceRock! From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Wed Dec 23 11:34:25 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:34:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Another Box? Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Koncerned Kollectors Klub (KKK) jill > Yes, and they can awaken in the middle of the night to discover a flaming Hawkwind shield on their front lawn! Yours frivolously, Marc. -- Send your snail mail address to mpower at ml.com for your FREE live VHS NTSC video of Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G?. http://www.uniflex.net/~borntogo/btg.html BtG website http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/borntogo for the Btg Mailing-list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/spacerockers for all things SpaceRock! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 23 11:37:46 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:37:46 +0000 Subject: HW:Alan Davey's "Sci-Fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: On ons 23 dec 1998 11.33 -0500 "Marc Power" wrote: > Built-in Obsolescence? the record industry has been looking for > something like this. Yeah, it's even "better" than multiple re-remasterings! ;) :P Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 23 13:07:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:07:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: O.K., I'm not the first guy to hack up the words to "'Twas the Night Before Christmas", and my poetry may be a little suspect, but what the hell... Happy Holidays to you all!! John 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that Blue Oyster Cult soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of guitars danced in their heads; And Suzy in leather, and I with some beer, Had just settled down for some late-evening cheer, When out on the lawn there arose such a noise, I sprang from the bed to see if it was the Oyster Boys. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Taking care not to hit Suzy - my arm's in a cast. The Harvest moon shining on the snow in the night evoked memories of mirror-balls lit by laser light. When, what to my wondering eyes should I spy, But a space ship that looked like a wheel in the sky. It flew to my house, skimming over the trees; I got to my feet, then fell to my knees. A door opened wide and a voice did exhult, "Here they come - from New York City - the amazing BLUE OYSTER CULT!!" And then, in a twinkling, they opened my door and Danny Miranda stood on the floor. He carried a sack the size of a gorilla. Then he pulled out his bass, and played the riff to "Godzilla". Then through the door came Bobby Rondinelli. He shook, when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly. With cigarette dangling from his lower lip, Allen Lanier next arrived from the ship. Their sound shook the house from the earth to the skies, I thought it would melt both my ears and my eyes. But as we all delighted in the sound, we all knew that soon we'd be greeted by the other two... Not removing his shades as he entered the room, in came the figure of one Eric Bloom. And pulling a knife from out of the sack, looked at Suzy saying "I'd like to see you in black". A lift of his shades and a wink from one peeper, Soon gave me to know I should not fear the Reaper; He spoke not a word, but gave me no alarm, carving "Good Health to You" upon the cast on my arm. Buck Dharma arrived next on the scene without fail. With guitar in hand, he proceeded to wail. With the band now complete, and with all in position, the sound dominated us, and we fell to submission. The music engulfed us, as we knew it would. We were damaged, and we liked it, and we all understood. They left much too soon, but after this rocking they left "Heaven Forbid" and "Flat Out" in our stockings. They left in their ship, and as it flew overhead three men in black appeared - "Don't Report This", they said. But I heard them exclaim, as they flew out of view, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND THE JOKE'S . . . ON YOU!!!" From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 23 13:25:09 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:25:09 -0800 Subject: OFF: Holiday Greetings and wishes Message-ID: Happy Holidays one and all. May the new year bring us all much enjoyable music, personal sucess and American football! Maybe not in that order though. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Heaven Forbid From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 23 12:59:30 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:59:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson schrieb: > I was horrified to discover that the copies of the Alan > Davey Sci-fi-delic CD-R which I bought on his autumn tour have > degraded to the point where my CD player won't even read some > of the tracks, and there is terrible noise everywhere. Anyone > else have this problem? Since I got one of these to send to Scott > Heller, I'd rather like to replace them. Anyone know a contact > address for ordering stuff from Alan? My Sci-fi-delic CD-R plays correct & soundwise it is quite good, at least there are no noises. The label pasted on the CD is loosening though. There were only 300 copies made. Alan has no e-mail address, only a box number: PO Box 38, Honiton, Devon EX14 9YW. My copy is without an inner sleeve though, as all other were at the Bedouin gig a while ago in Holland. I know that there are some copies with inner sleeve, at least Henrik has one. How is yours? Andreas From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Dec 23 14:11:43 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:11:43 -0500 Subject: That's Original: Levi In-Reply-To: <1588@ems.rail.co.uk> from "Mark Edmonds" at Dec 21, 98 09:50:00 am Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Mark Edmonds wrote: > >In a used CD store, I found a copy of the double CD "That's Original: > >Levitation/Live '79" on Castle. I can't remember the exact price (too > >much holiday shopping getting in the way!), but it was in the US$20 - 22 > > Just a word of warning about this set: the Levitation transfer is poorer > than the Bronze/Castle single disc transfer and also has a track indexing > error during Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The War. I can't speak re: the track indexing error, but what's this about the transfer? I haven't diffed the two versions, but the transfer on the Levitation disc of the 2-CD set sounds superb. It's probably the cleanest sounding, most balanced mix of any of my CD I ever owned prior to the last couple of years (when digital recording technology has finally come into its own). In the bad old days before studio engineering techniques caught up with digital technology, I always used it as an example of how digital recording *could* be done right. Confused, Steve swann at pplutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Dec 23 14:45:27 1998 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:45:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Stuewe" at Dec 23, 98 06:59:30 pm Message-ID: Andreas Stuewe writes: > > Carl Edlund Anderson schrieb: > > I was horrified to discover that the copies of the Alan > > Davey Sci-fi-delic CD-R which I bought on his autumn tour have > > degraded to the point where my CD player won't even read some > > of the tracks, and there is terrible noise everywhere. Anyone > > else have this problem? Since I got one of these to send to Scott > > Heller, I'd rather like to replace them. Anyone know a contact > > address for ordering stuff from Alan? > > My Sci-fi-delic CD-R plays correct & soundwise it is quite good, at least there > are no noises. The label pasted on the CD is loosening though. There were only > 300 copies made. Alan has no e-mail address, only a box number: > PO Box 38, Honiton, Devon EX14 9YW. Some CD-R's have proven to be highly "degradable" (especially the green-backed ones, from what I've read). And all of them are delicate on the label side - if the wrong kind of glue is used to stick a label to them, it can eat through the back of the CD and dissolve the data layer. Apparently CD-RW is much more robust. Steve swann at plutonia.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Dec 23 16:59:38 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:59:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R In-Reply-To: <199812231945.OAA18383@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Steve writes: => Some CD-R's have proven to be highly "degradable" (especially the => green-backed ones, from what I've read). And all of them are delicate => on the label side - if the wrong kind of glue is used to stick a label => to them, it can eat through the back of the CD and dissolve the data => layer. Apparently CD-RW is much more robust. Actually, if you read the small print on CD-Rs, you can find out whether or not they are safe to label. Most of the ones I buy aren't, and explicitly tell you not to attach labels of any kind; they can only be written on with a felt-tipped pen or similar. If you want to put labels on CD-Rs, you must make sure you buy ones which can be labelled (tougher, less corrosive label side). (Similarly, if you want ones on which you can print, you have to buy ones that permit you to do that.) Most manufacturers differentiate between their different types. Lately, manufacturers like Kodak and TDK have been introducing CD-Rs which feature a more robust label side (Kodak's "Infoguard" and TDKs "Certified Plus"). So, it's not a generic weakness of CD-R, just a matter of buying the right media for the job. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Dec 23 17:06:56 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:06:56 EST Subject: BOC: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: LOL! Good one, John :-) From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Dec 23 18:52:04 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:52:04 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind & the Elf CD Message-ID: Hello hawkers, apparently Hawkwind & the Elf cd is now available from Black Widow Records in Italy. He mentions it as a "2lp-1cd"....don't know if it's avail on vinyl and cd? is to include: the Hawkfan LP, The Elf ep, a new song by Dave Brock & the unreleased ep by the band PXR-1 (w/a version of spirit of the age) i don't know how much it's selling for yet.... see ya in space bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html you can contact black widow as per below e.mail: blackwidow at zilli.com www.zilli.com/blackwidow From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Dec 24 01:27:32 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:27:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > O.K., I'm not the first guy to hack up the words to "'Twas the Night > Before Christmas", and my poetry may be a little suspect, but what the > hell... Happy Holidays to you all!! > > John > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house > Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; > The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, > In hopes that Blue Oyster Cult soon would be there; > > The children were nestled all snug in their beds, > While visions of guitars danced in their heads; > And Suzy in leather, and I with some beer, > Had just settled down for some late-evening cheer, > > When out on the lawn there arose such a noise, > I sprang from the bed to see if it was the Oyster Boys. > Away to the window I flew like a flash, > Taking care not to hit Suzy - my arm's in a cast. > > The Harvest moon shining on the snow in the night > evoked memories of mirror-balls lit by laser light. > When, what to my wondering eyes should I spy, > But a space ship that looked like a wheel in the sky. > > It flew to my house, skimming over the trees; > I got to my feet, then fell to my knees. > A door opened wide and a voice did exhult, > "Here they come - from New York City - the amazing BLUE OYSTER CULT!!" > > And then, in a twinkling, they opened my door > and Danny Miranda stood on the floor. > He carried a sack the size of a gorilla. > Then he pulled out his bass, and played the riff to "Godzilla". > > Then through the door came Bobby Rondinelli. > He shook, when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly. > With cigarette dangling from his lower lip, > Allen Lanier next arrived from the ship. > > Their sound shook the house from the earth to the skies, > I thought it would melt both my ears and my eyes. > But as we all delighted in the sound, we all knew > that soon we'd be greeted by the other two... > > Not removing his shades as he entered the room, > in came the figure of one Eric Bloom. > And pulling a knife from out of the sack, > looked at Suzy saying "I'd like to see you in black". > > A lift of his shades and a wink from one peeper, > Soon gave me to know I should not fear the Reaper; > He spoke not a word, but gave me no alarm, > carving "Good Health to You" upon the cast on my arm. > > Buck Dharma arrived next on the scene without fail. > With guitar in hand, he proceeded to wail. > With the band now complete, and with all in position, > the sound dominated us, and we fell to submission. > > The music engulfed us, as we knew it would. > We were damaged, and we liked it, and we all understood. > They left much too soon, but after this rocking > they left "Heaven Forbid" and "Flat Out" in our stockings. > > They left in their ship, and as it flew overhead > three men in black appeared - "Don't Report This", they said. > But I heard them exclaim, as they flew out of view, > "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND THE JOKE'S . . . ON YOU!!!" SUPERB :-)! Happy Holidays everybody. Laj. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 24 03:48:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:48:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: On ons 23 dec 1998 16.59 -0500 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Steve writes: > => Some CD-R's have proven to be highly "degradable" (especially the > => green-backed ones, from what I've read). And all of them are delicate > => on the label side - if the wrong kind of glue is used to stick a label > => to them, it can eat through the back of the CD and dissolve the data > => layer. Apparently CD-RW is much more robust. > > Actually, if you read the small print on CD-Rs, you can find out whether > or not they are safe to label. Most of the ones I buy aren't, and > explicitly tell you not to attach labels of any kind; they can only be > written on with a felt-tipped pen or similar. If you want to put labels > on CD-Rs, you must make sure you buy ones which can be labelled > (tougher, less corrosive label side). This may well be the source of my problem. I got the "limited edition" CD-R which had a pictorial label stuck to the CD-R and perhaps its glue corroded the CD-R. Arse. Well, I'll have to see if I can hunt down fresh copies! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 24 17:31:39 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:31:39 -0600 Subject: HW: cdr trade Message-ID: I would like to do a few CD-R trades. I have Pressurehed 8-14-98, Strange Daze, 72 minutes, A quality. I would like to get some A quality HW or related on CD-R, or any Hippy Slags material (besides travelers aid). thanks From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Dec 25 08:48:04 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:48:04 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R Message-ID: Hi Andreas and the rest of you crazy HW fans! Carl Edlund Anderson schrieb: > I was horrified to discover that the copies of the Alan > Davey Sci-fi-delic CD-R which I bought on his autumn tour have > degraded to the point where my CD player won't even read some > of the tracks, and there is terrible noise everywhere. Anyone > else have this problem? Since I got one of these to send to Scott > Heller, I'd rather like to replace them. Anyone know a contact > address for ordering stuff from Alan? My Sci-fi-delic CD-R plays correct & soundwise it is quite good, at least there are no noises. The label pasted on the CD is loosening though. There were only 300 copies made. Alan has no e-mail address, only a box number: PO Box 38, Honiton, Devon EX14 9YW. My copy is also OK apart from some static noice on a few tracks (like on a vinyl-record), nothing to get upset about though! My copy is without an inner sleeve though, as all other were at the Bedouin gig a while ago in Holland. I know that there are some copies with inner sleeve, at least Henrik has one. How is yours? See above and the innersleve is great of course, done by some talented artist I suppose:-)))). Andreas Party on.... Hawkswede From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Dec 25 11:12:29 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:12:29 EST Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R/scanned inner sleeve? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/25/98 9:11:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM writes: > My copy is without an inner sleeve though, as all other were at the Bedouin > gig a > while ago in Holland. I know that there are some copies with inner sleeve, > at > least Henrik has one. How is yours? > > See above and the innersleve is great of course, done by some talented > artist I suppose:-)))). > > Andreas > by chance has anyone out there scanned that inner sleeve scanned... if so, any way it can be emailed to this address? thanks bob visit me at: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG Fri Dec 25 11:34:28 1998 From: wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG (mjt) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:34:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Roger Taylor Message-ID: >Hello, Folks... > >Sorry to be so blatantly off-topic, but I really am not tuned in with the >Queen world (let's not start *that* again, please), and Mr. Taylor is pretty >much an unknown quantity here as a solo artist...sorry to say. So you'all >are my best hope. :) > >So, assuming *someone* here is in the know, I'd like to know a bit about his >newest solo album, "Electric Fire." Mainly, is it good enough to shell out >the $23 plus postage to pick up the import CD? (I've seen an online >interview in which he *says* he intends to work out a US release eventually, >but who knows when or if that'll ever happen.) > >From what I've gathered (being a US citizen myself and thus not finding Electric Fire available at my 'local retailer') over on the Queen mailing list, it's an excellent CD. Brian May, the guitarist from Queen, just put out a solo album as well, and some of the comments that came down were about how much better Roger's was. Anyway, one person compared it to Pink Floyd (and as I recall was verbally berated by a few members following that)... I've heard "Nation of Haircuts" live from his Cyberbarn gig, which brought in the highest number of listeners of any online concert to date... I think that it's probably an awesome CD, but whether or not it's worth the $23 + postage is another story. Some of his older stuff, from the late 80's when he was with The Cross is usually available at Circuit City, which is probably as good as if not better than Electric Fire and much cheaper. "Shove It," "Mad, Bad and Dangerous to Know" from The Cross or "Happiness?" solo are good albums. Anyway, just my two (or possibly less) cents. mjt -- "The bank balance was Noel Constant's share in the estate of his anarachist father. The estate had consisted principally of government bonds." -- Kurt Vonnegut, "Sirens of Titan" ICQ: 3856787 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 25 19:13:09 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:13:09 GMT Subject: HW: Alan Davey's "Sci-fi-delic" CD-R In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:48:02 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On ons 23 dec 1998 16.59 -0500 "Paul Mather" > wrote: > > Actually, if you read the small print on CD-Rs, you can find out whether > > or not they are safe to label. Most of the ones I buy aren't, and > > explicitly tell you not to attach labels of any kind; they can only be > > written on with a felt-tipped pen or similar. If you want to put labels Ack!!! mine has a white (apparently paper) label with blue writing on it - does this mean I should try and take the label off as soon as possible? What would folk recommend? The sound doesn't seem to be affected in any way just at the moment though. Advice?? On the other hand my copy is just an ordinary CD not designed to play in a computer or anything - is this ok? > This may well be the source of my problem. I got the "limited > edition" CD-R which had a pictorial label stuck to the CD-R and > perhaps its glue corroded the CD-R. > > Arse. > > Well, I'll have to see if I can hunt down fresh copies! Send it back to him with a note explaining the situation - I'm sure he'll find you another copy - he's always been really friendly and helpful whenever I've written! jill ObSeasonalObservation> 3 minutes to midnight on Christmas Day and it starts snowing - it *is* a while Christmas after all! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 25 19:14:56 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:14:56 GMT Subject: Goodbye In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:50 GMT Message-ID: Neil Shilladay writes: > Dear all, > I am sorry to say that I'll be signing off now. I subscribe from a work account, > and they've just made me redundant. That's hard, really hard. Sorry you are going and good luck finding something new. Hope you can make it back here. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Dec 25 23:59:17 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:59:17 +0800 Subject: OFF: Roger Taylor In-Reply-To: <000a01be3024$71f9ba20$b77fd2ab@hp-customer> Message-ID: > that it's probably an awesome CD, but whether or not it's worth the $23 + > postage is another story. Some of his older stuff, from the late > 80's when > he was with The Cross is usually available at Circuit City, which is > probably as good as if not better than Electric Fire and much cheaper. > "Shove It," "Mad, Bad and Dangerous to Know" from The Cross or > "Happiness?" > solo are good albums. His first 2 albums, "Fun In Space" & "Strange Frontier" are excellent, particularly "Fun In Space", which in places, is almost Hawkwind-ish? William From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Sun Dec 27 10:25:58 1998 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:25:58 -0000 Subject: BOC: Greetings, an ex member returns Message-ID: Hi everyone. I have been lurking now for a week or so and this is my first posting. I've been off the list for some three-ish years and now I've finally got a PC - I'm back. I'll apologise in advance if I repeat any topics recently mentioned. Did anyone see the christmas issue of Kerrang!? - not only did Monster Magnet's Powertrip get voted album of the year but the obviously very discerning journalist Xavier Russell voted Heaven Forbid as his personal #1 album of the year. Good to be back - Charlie Grant - (Charles the Grinning Boy) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 28 12:18:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:18:51 -0800 Subject: BOC: Holiday Wishes Message-ID: >O.K., I'm not the first guy to hack up the words to "'Twas the Night Before Christmas", and my poetry may be a little suspect, but what the hell... Happy Holidays to you all!! >John Its the thought that counts. Hope you and yours had a wonderful holiday. Ghost in the Ruins From plamotte at SKYNET.BE Wed Dec 30 07:35:28 1998 From: plamotte at SKYNET.BE (Po) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:35:28 +0100 Subject: NIK : Sphinx In-Reply-To: <000101be2dbe$4f742340$992f63c3@default> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm looking really hard to find the Nik Turner's SPHINX album. I've got a bloody tape that has been listened to about 2 million times. Does anyone knows if it as been reissued and where i could find it? I've got a cd called Sphinx, but it's not quite the same as it all has been replayed, and on the tapes NT sells at gigs, it lacks the last sounds like the cry of the soul. I suppose it exists somewhere but i've been looking for it for about a century now. Cheers, Po From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 30 08:01:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:01:46 -0000 Subject: NIK: Sphinx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm looking really hard to find the Nik Turner's SPHINX album. > I've got a bloody tape that has been listened to about 2 million times. > > Does anyone knows if it as been reissued and where i could find it? Yep, there was a reissue last year (I think it was last year), catalogue number NIKTCD333. On EBS although it doesn't say so anywhere on it. I'd try somewhere like http://www.cdzone.co.uk for starters. I got mine retail but don't recall seeing it for a while. > I've got a cd called Sphinx, but it's not quite the same as it > all has been > replayed, No, that's the transatlantic remake, OK in its way but not the real thing! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 30 08:18:47 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:18:47 GMT Subject: HW: oh frabjous day!! Message-ID: Hey - something wonderful just occurred. I went down to check my mail and discovered that all my Christmases have come at once. I have TWO Japanese Doremi albums 8-))) The original and the reissue! Toshi of SSK you are the very best person in the whole world. Ever! My eternal gratitude. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 30 08:37:52 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:37:52 +0100 Subject: NIK : Sphinx Message-ID: Po schrieb: > Hi everyone, > > I'm looking really hard to find the Nik Turner's SPHINX album. > I've got a bloody tape that has been listened to about 2 million times. > > Does anyone knows if it as been reissued and where i could find it? > > I've got a cd called Sphinx, but it's not quite the same as it all has been > replayed, and on the tapes NT sells at gigs, it lacks the last sounds like > the cry of the soul. > > I suppose it exists somewhere but i've been looking for it for about a > century now. > > Cheers, > Po You can get the recent reissued version on CD from: SONIC ATTACK, Harald Stuermer, Annastr. 55A, D-64673 Zwingenberg It costs 29,- DM + postage Harald has lots of HW & related stuff, at reasonable prices, just ask for his list. Andreas From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Dec 30 12:29:00 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:29:00 EST Subject: NIK : Sphinx Message-ID: In a message dated 98-12-30 07:34:42 EST, you write: << I've got a cd called Sphinx, but it's not quite the same as it all has been replayed, and on the tapes NT sells at gigs, it lacks the last sounds like the cry of the soul. >> There are 2 versions of Sphinx. One was recorded after Nik got sacked from Hawkwind the first time....late 70s maybe? The players were ex members of Gong (Steve Hillage included) and I think, some ex Hawks were involved. Parts of the album were recorded in the Great Pyramid. The second version of Sphinx was recorded in the 90s with members of Pressurehed. regards, Bill Stewart From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Dec 30 12:32:34 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:32:34 EST Subject: Strange Daze 98/ F/i Message-ID: hello, did anyone out there get a good quality audio of the F/i show from Strange Daze 98? please email me privately, maybe we can arrange a trade? bob From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Dec 30 12:47:54 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:47:54 EST Subject: NIK : Sphinx Message-ID: the 1st, original version has been (within the last year i believe) re- released onto CD. i'm not at home, so i can't check, but i think it's out on EBS? bob In a message dated 12/30/98 12:29:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stewartbas at AOL.COM writes: << << I've got a cd called Sphinx, but it's not quite the same as it all has been replayed, and on the tapes NT sells at gigs, it lacks the last sounds like the cry of the soul. >> There are 2 versions of Sphinx. One was recorded after Nik got sacked from Hawkwind the first time....late 70s maybe? The players were ex members of Gong (Steve Hillage included) and I think, some ex Hawks were involved. Parts of the album were recorded in the Great Pyramid. The second version of Sphinx was recorded in the 90s with members of Pressurehed. regards, Bill Stewart >> From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Dec 30 14:58:54 1998 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:58:54 +0100 Subject: HW: oh frabjous day!! In-Reply-To: <199812301318.NAA17488@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: That's much better than a white christmas! --BArt On 30 Dec 98, at 13:18, J Strobridge wrote: Date sent: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:18:47 GMT Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: J Strobridge Subject: HW: oh frabjous day!! To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Hey - something wonderful just occurred. I went down to check my mail > and discovered that all my Christmases have come at once. I have TWO > Japanese Doremi albums 8-))) The original and the reissue! > > Toshi of SSK you are the very best person in the whole world. Ever! > My eternal gratitude. > > jill > ========================================================================== > = J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - From nicad at CLARA.CO.UK Wed Dec 30 15:47:11 1998 From: nicad at CLARA.CO.UK (nick adams) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:47:11 -0000 Subject: Rare Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi! I am relatively new to this list, i have been into hawkwind for .........Man ,26 years...i have seen them numerous times around the uk.....when i heard in search of space it changed my life forever...anyway, i was just at a web site that had a complete listing of hawkwind albums, i thought that i had most of them, but looking at that list no way..in particular there were quite a few rare albums/bootlegs listed. my question is where can i get hold of these items.has anyone got them on this list...that can perhaps copy onto cd-r or has anyone got any originals for sale or know where i can get them from. i dont want to list everything as it would take up to much bandwidth, but as an example as to what i saw there was, Dawn of Hawkwind, Rock city, the cyberspace conspiracy , nova drive, damnation alley, timeless paens, the secret tepee, corridor of flames, the a files.the list could go on.if anyone could help me search these out it would be greatly appreciated.......you can reply on list or prefereably off list as i am only on the digest mode. thanks in advance Nick NP.......1999 party From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Dec 30 20:58:44 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:58:44 +0100 Subject: HW: oh frabjous day!! Message-ID: At 13:18 1998-12-30 GMT, you wrote: >Hey - something wonderful just occurred. I went down to check my mail >and discovered that all my Christmases have come at once. I have TWO >Japanese Doremi albums 8-))) The original and the reissue! not bad - I know people that do not have *any* Japanese Doremi... ;*) is there any difference between those releases? do you know when the reissue was released? btw, while on the track once upon a time this message appeared on BOC-l: -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:52 -0700, you wrote: >I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a >double CD called "Greasy Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 >with Hawkwind, Man, and others, for $52. -------------------------------------------------------------------- never mentioned later. was this just false alarm? >jill .joe From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Dec 31 05:58:52 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:58:52 +1100 Subject: BOTH: Announcing The Terminal =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9?= Message-ID: Hi All, Just though everyone might like to know that my Michael Moorcock site, The Terminal Caf? is being officially unveiled tonight (new years eve). The site has actually been in operation since 1996, but has been a work in progress - but is now ready to my satisfaction. Amongst many other things the site contains an section concerning Mike's musical exploits with hawkwind and BOC. As always there are sections that aren't fully complete, but it should be fairly comprehensive as it is. Hope everyone enjoys it! Happy new year. - Max Wilcox From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Thu Dec 31 08:16:34 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:16:34 +0100 Subject: BOTH: Announcing The Terminal Café Message-ID: Please enclose URL ! ;-) Massimo Max Wilcox ha scritto: > Hi All, > > Just though everyone might like to know that my Michael > Moorcock site, The Terminal Caf? is being officially unveiled tonight > (new years eve). The site has actually been in operation since 1996, but > has been a work in progress - but is now ready to my satisfaction. > Amongst many other things the site contains an section concerning Mike's > musical exploits with hawkwind and BOC. > As always there are sections that aren't fully complete, but > it should be fairly comprehensive as it is. > Hope everyone enjoys it! > Happy new year. > > - Max Wilcox From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Dec 31 09:08:20 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:08:20 -0500 Subject: BOTH: Announcing The Terminal =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9?= Message-ID: >Hi All, > > Just though everyone might like to know that my Michael >Moorcock site, The Terminal Caf? is being officially unveiled tonight >(new years eve). The site has actually been in operation since 1996, but >has been a work in progress - but is now ready to my satisfaction. >Amongst many other things the site contains an section concerning Mike's >musical exploits with hawkwind and BOC. > As always there are sections that aren't fully complete, but >it should be fairly comprehensive as it is. errr.... got a URL for it? ============================================ Stone and Sea are Deep in Life Two unalterable symbols of the world Permanence at Rest, and Permanence in Motion Participants in the Power that Remains - Giantish song from Covenant chronicles From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 31 10:10:15 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:10:15 +0200 Subject: HW: oh frabjous day!! Message-ID: Hi and Happy New Year! >btw, while on the track >once upon a time this message appeared on BOC-l: >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:52 -0700, you wrote: >>I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a >>double CD called "Greasy Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 >>with Hawkwind, Man, and others, for $52. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >never mentioned later. >was this just false alarm? I saw this once in records-shop Helsinki, not so long time ago. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Dec 31 11:01:27 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:01:27 +1100 Subject: BOTH: Announcing The Terminal =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caf=E9?= Message-ID: "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > errr.... got a URL for it? I see I'd have to get up very early in the morning to fool you lot. http://travel.to/moorcock/ - Max From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 31 15:34:15 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:34:15 +0000 Subject: BOTH: The 1999 Party Message-ID: "Happy New Year, baby. Ready for another round?" Good luck to you, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/