From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 1 00:15:36 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:15:36 -0800 Subject: off/other: Porcupine Tree/No Man info sought Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone have a Steve Wilson/No Man (is that right?)/PTree > discography? Your wishes will be fulfilled through http://www.collective.co.uk/ where the No Man web can be accessed with a discography replete with audio clips is located. Zeit From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Wed Apr 1 08:01:59 1998 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:01:59 -0500 Subject: my Guitar World review Message-ID: Hi folks, Lurker Martin again. Re: the review of HF I did for Guitar World. I know, I know, grouping that with Motorhead was what they wanted, and it was a stretch to find the common ground to be sure. And I had no control over which picture they printed! I also have a little like 40 word review of the album in Chart this month. And my full story, including Buck interview will be in the next Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, and I'll try stick my official The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal review, quite friggin' long!, on here at some point. Anyway, love seeing all the views of this album, back to lurk . . . Martin Martin Popoff, (Power Chord Press: Riff Kills Man!, The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, Guitar World, Maximum Guitar, LiveWire, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, BraveWordsRadio on Virtually Canadian Online, Chart, Glass Eye). Stuff on The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, my 540 page book of 3,700 metal reviews is at: http://www.cgpublishing.com Or, email me and I'll send detailed description and ordering info. http://gemm.com/s.cgi/MPOPOFF for a list of collectible vinyl I have for sale. Check out BraveRadio and BraveWordRadio at: http://www.virtuallycanadian.com. Martin Popoff P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 2Z2 From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 1 00:36:34 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:36:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: <199804010233.UAA19370@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: ok, once more into the breach...... sez Matthew Braun >(Attribution, please? It was William Fuller you >were whomping there...) > so my email program doesn't automatically quote the author.... like I said, it was late >>>Although it is obviously not fair to compare Heaven Forbid to Imaginos, >>>such a comparision is inevitable considering it was the last original >>>BOC studio album. >>ok, since you say it's not fair....why do it? >Ummm...because to him it is "inevitable" that a band's any two consecutive >albums be compared to discuss how the band has changed/improved? > I agree it would be inevitable if the albums were only a year or two apart, but people on this list are supposedly a little more in the know, and should realize better than the average bear just how much has changed since Imaginos, especially since we are more aware of the recording irregularities than Joe Shmoe would be > >I agree with you, Ted, that the comparison isn't valid, but for a different >the last album because it was representative of BOC circa 1993. > no real comment about this > >I *think* the point might have been to suggest that BOC was substituting >volume for quality, or something like that. One trick of audio equipment >salesmen is to play something on system A, and then play it on (the more >expensive) system B slightly louder. This can trick people into thinking >system B sounds better because "you can hear more". > >Or else it was just a random gripe. (I agree, "So what".) > he didn't really say much about it just he thought it was louder, and then griped about different output levels when he made a mix tape.....not really relevant to the matter at hand IMHO >So it's unfair (unjust? whatever) for anyone except the author of the >song to criticize the lyrics? That doesn't seem right. > no, and you are doing just what you accuse me of doing to the other extreme.....I didn't say only Shirley should have the right to bitch... what I was getting at basically, is that it's very easy for someone who isn't involved in the creative process to denigrate the results, but for someone who doesn't actually write music, I think they might be surprised how difficult it can be....especially after 25 years... god knows _I_ haven't managed to produce anything worthy, and I haven't had the experience they have >>>I am disappointed with most (certainly not all) of the lyrics. But on the >>>whole I still like it. I recommend it to any fan of Blue Oyster Cult. >>funny I would never have guessed you liked it >He didn't like the lyrics. > that was pretty obvious. while I'm not one of those "it's the music maaan" types, I do think that strong music can sometimes overcome what might not necessarily be strong lyrics....I just think that his bitching about the lyrics was obsessive >>methinks some people are just never satisfied. >Some people had higher hopes. > and some people are realistic. do I think it's the best album they've ever made? no. am I completely happy with it?.....no. but am I satisfied with it? definitely. >>while I'm not going to gush like some people do, I'm also thankful to have >>music by a talented bunch of musicians with some (IMHO) really good songs >I'm sure Mr. Fuller would agree. > not really evident to me >>again, I'll probably regret this in the morning, but what really is the >>point of yet another review of an album that probably most of us have >>heard and made up our own minds about by now? >Because if we ain't gonna talk about the album (in reviews or whatever) >what's the point of the !@#$#@ing list? We finally have a new album to >talk about! I'd be surprised if it wasn't a "given" that all of the BOC >fans on the list are going to buy the album. I don't think the point of the >review was to persuade/dissuade anyone from buying it--it was to put forth >his views of it. > I'd agree if I saw anything that seemed remotely constructive....but I didn't really see anything that came off that way to me...maybe it was the hour >>especially when it's full of little bitches about "this could have been >>done better" or "I would rather hear this"... especially when I haven't >>recently seen any CDs with the name William Fuller on them? >I'm afraid I couldn't see Mr. Fuller's so-called arrogance as you did, and >must admit slight puzzlement to the degree with which you took him to task. >Everyone's entitled to their opinions. > --"He ain't never coming back" or "we'll get that bastard back"... --Ok those aren't the greatest but it took me 5 minutes. They have had --10 years! to me, to compare these comes off as arrogant maybe not to everyone else, but to me...... as for to the "degree".....well, as I said, it was late, and I was tired.......I guess in the "Cold Gray Light of Dawn"....it really didn't bother me as much. >Ironically, his review mirrored the album: just as he perceived the lyrics >to be repetitious, you perceived his "bitchings" about them to be. :-) > >>as Buck said himself..this album represents where "BOC is at right now" >>...not where they were 20 years ago, despite what some people might wish > >Except for those cases where it represents where they were six or seven >years ago, since a few of the songs were first done in concert back then. :-) >(Sorry--I'll stop now.) > I think Buck was referring more to the performances and the style of the music instead of the actual songs themselves. truth be told, I guess what's got me so annoyed is the extremes again - over on AOL everyone is of the opinion that it's the second coming of Christ, and sometimes it's hard to take it seriously, though, believe it or not, there was a thread not too long ago where a couple people (Bolle was one of them!) basically took others to task for kissin' Buck's ass ....it was actually pretty boring though.... I guess I just wish there was a little more discussion that was more grounded....a little more realistic...guess maybe I should wait a month or two for the glow to wear off, huh? :-) oh well, I'm going to bed now. (and by the way, I bear no animosity towards anyone for these posts...I don't want it to seem that way...I guess I get a little aggressive when I argue) Ted ObVideo: Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray (live) ObCD: Gingham Shmuz - Sick With Laughter Ted From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 1 01:35:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:35:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Be seeing you Message-ID: Well, I'm off to the airport to catch a plane to Tehran, so you'll all be deprived of my trenchant wit, piercing insights, and the occasional _bon mot_, for a couple of weeks or so. You think this is an April Fool, don't you? :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com;http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Wed Apr 1 02:13:08 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:13:08 -0700 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >Ted Alger writes: >>I'll probably regret this, but..... >And I this... :-) > Matthew, Well said. Your perspective and tolerance is good. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Apr 1 04:17:23 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:17:23 +1000 Subject: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: Guys, Much has been said of the lyrics of one John Shirley on both Bad Channels and Heaven Forbid. I must say that I rather like them. It is no use whatsoever to compare them with Pearlman or Meltzer or whoever, because 90's B?C is 90's B?C, and nothing else. The modern B?C has merits that stand on their own, apart from a brilliant past. J. Shirley fits into the picture as the lyricist on nearly every song of the 90's B?C. I find his lyrics clever and the concepts portrayed fit the style of music that B?C play. The question is: will he gain recognition for his work, or will he be maligned by those mourning for the old times? Now I ask you Hawkfans on the list- when Calvert's lyrics became much of the centerpiece of the bands work , was he recieved by all as the ultimate lyricist or did his ideas take some time to show their true brilliance? There are some parallels between Calvert and Shirley, but they are by no means identical twins. - they both are essentially writers/poets. - they both write(wrote) lyrics for rock groups. - they both pursue(d) their own musical interests. - they both are a little odd. - they both do quite well at it all, except for their own music, which borders on mediocrity. (Before the church of Calvert excommunicates me- hey remember Freq and LLatLships!) Now, I am not putting Calvert/Shirley as a head to head standoff for "who is best", that would be futile. I am just saying that perhaps time will tell that John Shirley will have the same contribution to B?C as the late great Calvert had for the Hawks. Who knows? Is John Shirley the B?C equivelent/version of the late, great Calvert? Troy note: now if this doesnt start some conversation, nothing will. : ) also note: no flames from Calvert fans! I LOVE Calvert...and I have witnesses to the fact.....right Sonique? =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 04:21:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:21:00 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: eldritch's mail of Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:29 +0100 Message-ID: On 01 Apr 00:29, eldritch wrote: > Love in space is atrocious though. I sold it after a week. Could you say what it was about the album that you didn't like? Or did it just fail to grab you? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Apr 1 04:28:35 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:28:35 +1000 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: At 00:36 1/04/98 -0500, Ted Alger wrote: > >truth be told, I guess what's got me so annoyed is the extremes again - >over on AOL everyone is of the opinion that it's the second coming of >Christ, and sometimes it's hard to take it seriously, though, believe it >or not, there was a thread not too long ago where a couple people (Bolle >was one of them!) basically took others to task for kissin' Buck's ass >....it was actually pretty boring though.... > Kissing *Buck's* ass? Geeez! Lucky we don't get into this stream of things....... Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Apr 1 05:45:36 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:45:36 +0000 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <3521B042.7A497F52@blackboard.com> Message-ID: rj and eldritch wrote: >> Just kidding.... >> >> I'm renowned for buying Hawkwind LPs 5 at a time..... >> >> eldritch >> >> Love in space is atrocious though. I sold it after a week. > > 'sa shame. EVERYONE knows that it takes 8 days of listening to really >appreciate that album! ;) >rj Not even 80 days would work on Love in Space, or 800 days for DH! I sold my DH in less than a week - hah! 8 seconds was quite sufficient for 1999 CD! - or should it be 10 seconds (of forever!) gt From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 04:32:23 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:32:23 +0100 Subject: BOC Kerrang review today Message-ID: Just a note to mention there is a review of the new BOC in Kerrang this morning. Haven`t got time to copy it out (I`m sure someone will) but it`s a very good one. 4 out of 5! No pics or anything though. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 04:47:45 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:47:45 +0100 Subject: off/other: Porcupine Tree/No Man info sought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Allan T Grohe Jr writes >Hi all, > >Does anyone have a Steve Wilson/No Man (is that right?)/PTree >discography? I'm trying track down some No Man (Nomad??), and came up >with the following: > >Dry Cleaning Ray (on THSS label) >How the West Was Won >Whamon Express (both on SST) > >but I don't know if these are actually PTree's No Man, or some other >band, etc. Any help would be appreciated! > >Allan. > The only No-Man I've got is "Sweetheart Raw" EP which is on One Little Indian 1992. Dunno about the above but mine is the Steve Wilson/Barbieri Noman. I was told there was only 300 of these made but that could be in error. Anyway I'm looking to sell it as IMHO it stinks (and I like PT a lot). Fiver? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 04:47:20 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:47:20 +0100 Subject: BOC : Free Tickets to London Show For LISTMEMBERS!!!!! Message-ID: ;-) -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 1 05:15:52 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:52 +0100 Subject: tour book In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:12:34 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > Hi! > > I wonder that is here anybody who can help. I have strange Space Ritual tour > book. Actually I?m not sure is this tour book at all. It?s one big printed > both side paper which is foldet to A4 size and it?s black and white. Can > anyone confirm is this original tour book or what? Sounds like the real McCoy to me. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 1 05:25:56 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:25:56 +0100 Subject: Hawkvid questions In-Reply-To: John McCartney's message of Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:56:25 -0800 Message-ID: John McCartney writes: > An online video place (www.reel.com) lists 3 different Chronicle > video items: > > Chronicle of the Black Sword $16.97 > Chronicle (Special Edition) $33.97 > Chronicle (video cd) $19.52 > > What's the scoop on these, is the special edition the one to get? Wasn't there a mail order release of Chronicle which then had a track or two replaced in the original release? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 1 06:41:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:41:03 EDT Subject: BOC: Random Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > OK yeah and another thing lets put the cover debate to bed, the damn > ting is ugly and does not represent tha band at all. I really don't buy > this stuff about attracting a younger audience with it. Its cheesey and > says nothing. Could CMC have done better, sure look at Overkill's > cover, I like that one. > I agree that the cover debate is silly. I doubt anyone at CMC put a hell of a lot of thought into it, other than that they wanted to portray BOC as a heavy band. No shit? > The inner sleeve SWEET! Better safe than sorry there John but if I were > a betting man I'd wager if god looked anything like that the hair would > be red and the eyes green. > If god looked like that, I'd still be an altar boy! > Did Theo mention Coffe Wars II? Space in Your Face dude, I got Torgo > blend, powerful stuff. Bring it on big daddy. > Ah, the good old days...Get Dr. Bob back on this list! theo From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Wed Apr 1 07:45:04 1998 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:45:04 -0600 Subject: [off/other] Finally Balanced: Hurry on Sundown (fwd) Message-ID: Hi all, I'm off to Miami in a few hours for a working vacation (heading to the role-playing industry's GAMA Trade Show), but I though you'd want to see this: FB's drummer is interested in our old Covers tapes :-) I'll be gearing up for some tape-making, so if anyone elle was interested, drop me a note and let me know. I've been rather bad about doing any tape trading lately (just ask Christian ;->, but I should have some more time after I'm back in town on Monday. I hope you all have a good week! Allan. ObLP: Nektar, A Tab in the Ocean ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr >From somewhere within him all the longing he had known, all the sadness and the grief and the loneliness, all his aspirations and dreams, his times of intense happiness, his loves and his hatreds, his affections and his dislikes, all were voices in the same music which issued from his throat, as if his whole being had been concentrated into this single song. It was a victory and a plea. It was a celebration and an agony. It was nothing more nor less then the song of a single, lonely individual in an uncertain world, the song of a troubled intellect and a generous heart. And most of all, it was a song of love, of yearning idealism and desperate sadness for the fate of the world. ---Michael Moorcock, "The Black Blade's Summoning" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:45:16 -0500 From: "Lombardozzi, Keith" To: 'Allan' Subject: Hurry on Sundown Allan, Hi, my name is Keith Lombardozzi, percussionist from the band Finally Balanced. I was on-line searching on FB and found your bootleg tape page. I wanted to know If "Hurry on Sundown" (vol. 4, tape 60) was live from the Coney Island High gig or a studio cut. Either way how do I go about getting myself a copy. Thanks, Keith (klombardozzi at ultre.com) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 08:18:03 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:18:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: > you're right....it wasn't my intention at all...in fact, Imaginos is one of my top 3.....the other 2 being Cultosaurus and ST... what I was getting at is that there was enough...irregularity?... in the way this one was put together, what with material and recording spanning almost 20 years and all the other artists involved that it really is a completely different beast from HF... Agreed! I probably over-reacted based on some other, more strongly worded posts elsewhere. Yeah, as far as who played on the bulk of the CDs and who produced them, HF and Imaginos are probably about as far apart as you can get between BOC albums. >so are you coming to Baltimore for the BBQ? the club is pretty cool! Don't think I'll be there, unfortunately. Too far a trip for this family man... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 08:24:21 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:24:21 -0500 Subject: my Guitar World review Message-ID: Hey Martin: The Review was decent, albeit short - but only 3 stars? Looking forward to your full review - does this mean you gave it a 6? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 08:33:35 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:33:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >truth be told, I guess what's got me so annoyed is the extremes again - over on AOL everyone is of the opinion that it's the second coming of Christ, and sometimes it's hard to take it seriously, LOL - same old AOL... But such forums have their place - after 10 years, some of us like having a place where we can "gush" uncontrollably. I don't usually follow the AOL threads so closely, but over the past week it's been a lot of fun. Conversely, we here on BOC-L (well, maybe except for me) know how to give criticism where criticism is due! :-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 08:35:03 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:35:03 -0500 Subject: BOC Kerrang review today Message-ID: Which issue of Kerrang, and what's on the cover? I happened to be looking at an issue on the racks yesterday, but didn't see a HF review... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 1 08:39:31 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:39:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random Stuff Message-ID: > OK yeah and another thing lets put the cover debate to bed, the damn > ting is ugly and does not represent tha band at all. I really don't buy > this stuff about attracting a younger audience with it. Its cheesey and > says nothing. Yeah that Mirrors cover said a lot... oh, but I digress. Anyway, I'm done debating the cover issue too, even though we disagree AB, but that's o.k. From what I've heard (someone back me up if they know more), the cover was mostly Buck's doing (not that he created it). > The inner sleeve SWEET! Better safe than sorry there John but if I were > a betting man I'd wager if god looked anything like that the hair would > be red and the eyes green. :-) > Ah, the good old days...Get Dr. Bob back on this list! Only if Deb Frost comes back too... ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 1 07:46:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:46:29 EDT Subject: my Guitar World review In-Reply-To: <199804011324.IAA06775@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Hey Martin: > > The Review was decent, albeit short - but only 3 stars? > > Looking forward to your full review - does this mean you gave it a 6? > > John Right! He only gives it 3 stars, but then praises the record quite a bit. GW has a history of saying good things about BOC. Glad to know someone still appreciates talent... theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 1 09:30:50 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:30:50 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Electric Library moved - & a few additions... Message-ID: Well, the URL was changed and now it is here: http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html There are also some new graphics (well, 1 ;) from Friends and related comics stuff. Christian From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Apr 1 11:35:19 1998 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:35:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF and a bizarre coincidence [fwd by moderator] Message-ID: Nick English is having some email configuration problems and asked me to forward the following to the list while he gets it straightened out. YnSSHM, Ben >First of all, bravo to BOC for Heaven Forbid! Worth the wait? I think >so. In fact, I think it stands tall compared with BOC's overall body >of work. > >See You In Black kicks ass! I'm a bit saddened that some people have >compared it to thrash metal. I don't see that at all. Then again, I've >been trying to convince people for years that Motorhead isn't thrash >either, so what the heck. As for the lyrics, I actually think they're >really cool. Even before the release, when I'd only heard the tune >live, and could only understand the first two lines, I thought it was >neat...very indicative of BOC's droll sense of humor. > >Harvest Moon is the most Cult-ish tune on the disc, which stands to >reason, since it's completely Buck's. While I don't hate Shirley's >lyrics as much as some people on this list, I agree that they're a bit >unsophisticated and unimaginitive. They leave little room for >interpretation. Buck's HM lyrics are much more atmospheric and >mysterious. "A change in the weather / I feel some evil here". Very >cool. By the end of the song, you don't know exactly what happened, >but you know it wasn't right. Textbook Cult! > >I guess the consensus is that Damaged is a new BOC classic. I agree! >JAMMIN'! Especially Allen's keyboards, which -- as I think John said >-- are way too underused. At least they covered his "In Thee". It >would have been a shame for a guy who really is such an important part >of this band to not get a single writing credit. > >Back in 1992, I finally realized my dream of seeing BOC live. It was a >show at Cornell University in Ithaca, and I had to suffer the >indignity of having my favorite band open up for Fishbone and the >Violent Femmes (On the plus side, at least I got to see the Cult, >without having to sit through the others!). At that show, the band >played a tune called "Still Burnin'", and announced it was from their >upcoming album Harvest Moon. We know all too well the ups and downs >that have occurred since then. But it's all been worth it. We're >definitely in an 'up' period right now. I implore everyone who gets to >see BOC live in the coming year -- please let these guys know how much >we LOVE THIS ALBUM! Even if you hate it...LIE! Maybe our positive >response will help get them back into the studio a lot quicker next >time! > >As for the bizarre coincidence...here goes. As you know, Harvest Moon >is about a sleepy rural town where a young girl disappears. Someone >posted recently that Buck said he took the name Bobrow from a family >in Ithaca. At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a >novel called 'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the >book about? It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where >one young girl, then others, disappear. It contains several references >to Ithaca, Norwich, Binghamton, Cortland, Syracuse, etc. It's a great >book and although I doubt there's any true connection, it very much >puts one in mind of Harvest Moon...to the point where you could almost >believe one was based on the other. If you like reading fiction, I >recommend it highly. > >-- Nick English From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Apr 1 11:40:56 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:40:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: from "Ted Alger" at Mar 31, 98 00:46:18 am Message-ID: Ted Alger writes: > [ SNIPPED _Heaven Forbid_ review by William Fuller, and most of Ted's rebuttal ] > > again, I'll probably regret this in the morning, > but what really is the point of yet another review > of an album that probably most of us have heard and > made up our own minds about by now? I don't see anyone being shot down for reviewing the album in a positive light. Are they wasting our time, too? And as for "what really is the point", I assume that William was attempting to engender some more in-depth discussion of the album that we've been waiting 10 years for. A lot of people had been asking where all the discussion of the new album was. Or did they really only want to hear more unconditional praise heaped on it? > especially when > it's full of little bitches about "this could have > been done better" or "I would rather hear this"... > especially when I haven't recently seen any CDs > with the name William Fuller on them? That's a really specious argument, and I think you know it. If only musicians (and recorded musicians at that!) were allowed to critique, then you'd never get to say *your* opinion, either. > as Buck said himself..this album represents > where "BOC is at right now"...not where they > were 20 years ago, despite what some people > might wish And if someone wishes otherwise, they're allowed to, at least on this list. This is a discussion list, after all, not a place of worship. Steve swann at panix.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 12:00:21 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:00:21 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: Love in space.. I can say why I didn't like the album... There's just nothing there....it's empty...no soul. It could be used as a torture device to bore people to death.... In case of 'Love in Space' follow these rules.... ;-) eldritch From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Apr 1 12:05:14 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:05:14 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?HW:_Lp=B4s_FS?= Message-ID: Greetings! While waiting for new records from the space-travellers I can offer you two items: DLP - Hawkwind - Alien 4 - ?13 (new) DLP - Hawkwind - The Business trip/Live - ?13 (new) P&P not included There?s a list with other HW-records on the Peace of mind site (URL below). Let?s hope that the move to a "new" company will do something good for Hawkwind since they really deserve it! There might be new CD?s from Spacehead and Krel this spring. All the best Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Apr 1 13:07:19 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:07:19 +0100 Subject: BOC Kerrang review today Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: John A Swartz To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 April 1998 14:35 Subject: Re: BOC Kerrang review today >Which issue of Kerrang, and what's on the cover? I happened to be looking >at an issue on the racks yesterday, but didn't see a HF review... Todays issue, released today ;) Kerrang comes out every wednesday! Marilyn Manson on cover, dated april 4th 1998. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 1 13:09:31 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:09:31 +0100 Subject: tour book In-Reply-To: <199804011015.LAA04369@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:15 01/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >Miikka Wagner writes: > >> Hi! >> >> I wonder that is here anybody who can help. I have strange Space Ritual tour >> book. Actually I?m not sure is this tour book at all. It?s one big printed >> both side paper which is foldet to A4 size and it?s black and white. Can >> anyone confirm is this original tour book or what? > >Sounds like the real McCoy to me. > >FoFP > > Likewise - although I never had one myself, it sounds exactly like the one that a friend of mine had lodged inside the sleeve of his SR. ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 1 15:41:56 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:41:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid or; shot down in flames! In-Reply-To: <199804011640.LAA09411@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: Steve Swann sez..... > [ SNIPPED _Heaven Forbid_ review by William Fuller, > and most of Ted's rebuttal ]> >I don't see anyone being shot down for reviewing the album in a >positive light. Are they wasting our time, too? > if it's senseless gushing? yeah, IMO, they are. but I really haven't seen too much of that here...people are reviewing it mostly in a positive light....but I credit it mostly to the "glow" still being on from having a new album finally. as I said in a previous message, I guess I should wait a little bit for the serious discussion to begin >And as for "what really is the point", I assume that William was >attempting to engender some more in-depth discussion of the album that >we've been waiting 10 years for. A lot of people had been asking >where all the discussion of the new album was. Or did they really >only want to hear more unconditional praise heaped on it? > to me, the way he worded it didn't seem to be an attempt at engendering discussion. maybe he _was_ trying to do this, but it came across flat to me...I guess that's why this really will never be a real substitute for good ol' face to face conversation! and really, I get enough of the "unconditional praise" on AOL, so that is definitely NOT what I was getting at > >That's a really specious argument, and I think you know it. If only >musicians (and recorded musicians at that!) were allowed to critique, >then you'd never get to say *your* opinion, either. > yeah, that last statement was a bit over the line....but now YOU'RE making an assumption! for all you know I _am_ a musician. (and I am, but very much an amateur) I guess I worded it a little too strongly. again, what I was trying to convey was that writing is a creative process and it's HARD! I may not like most of the music that's around these days, but I try to have some respect simply from that musician's point of view....creating something _isn't_ easy. I'll try to get a little more sleep before I reply to anything in the future...... Ted Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 1 21:46:12 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:46:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC BBQ East In-Reply-To: <199804011635.LAA09373@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: anyone on the list planning on coming to Baltimore for it? if you're coming from out of town I'm trying to set up a group discount at a local hotel, so drop me a line Ted From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Apr 1 21:49:08 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:49:08 EST Subject: OFF: Pigface Message-ID: Pigface will be playing Tramps in NYC 4/2 8PM. regards, Bill Stewart From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 2 09:01:14 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:01:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >> as Buck said himself..this album represents >> where "BOC is at right now"...not where they >> were 20 years ago, despite what some people >> might wish > > And if someone wishes otherwise, they're allowed to, at least on this > list. This is a discussion list, after all, not a place of worship. Aye. After all, I don't care where a band is temporally--only whether the "suck" or whether they "rule" (if we can dispense with high-flown critiques for a moment and get back down to basics :) And given the wide range of tastes on BOC-L :) I can only put so much credence in any given review :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Frequencies from Planet Ten_, Orange Goblin -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Apr 2 08:18:14 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:18:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: HF and a bizarre coincidence [fwd by moderator] In-Reply-To: <199804011635.LAA09373@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > > >As for the bizarre coincidence...here goes. As you know, Harvest Moon > >is about a sleepy rural town where a young girl disappears. Someone > >posted recently that Buck said he took the name Bobrow from a family > >in Ithaca. At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a > >novel called 'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the > >book about? It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where > >one young girl, then others, disappear. It contains several references > >to Ithaca, Norwich, Binghamton, Cortland, Syracuse, etc. It's a great > >book and although I doubt there's any true connection, it very much > >puts one in mind of Harvest Moon...to the point where you could almost > >believe one was based on the other. If you like reading fiction, I > >recommend it highly. > > The first verse, with all the stuff about the Spanish settlers, reminds me of Imaginos. Similarly, Perfect Water on CN reminded me of Imaginos - a song about being beneath the water, just as Imaginos is left on the oysterbeds... I don't think there really is meant to be a connection, but I suspect that whole Imaginos mythology has planted the germs of a few ideas. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 2 14:26:18 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:26:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: BOC BBQ East Message-ID: What are the details here again? I've a friend in Maryland who would probably be up for this! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 2 14:44:15 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:44:15 -0800 Subject: Off: Going on Vacation Message-ID: Denizens of the Deep: Breath a sigh of relief as the Ghost is off to recharge his mental and physical health. From 4/3 til 4/12 I will be on vacation. Won't set to nomail as I like to keep up with whats going on. However if you pose a question are toss something my way please do not feel slighted as I just ain't gonna be here to respond. Have fun talking HF. Ted A - Can't make the bar-b-que but hoping the locals here in NoVA get to "See you at Jaxx". L8er Ghost in the Ruins From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Apr 2 19:39:15 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:39:15 -0800 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:17:23 +1000, Troy Harris dared to pose the fascinating question: > Much has been said of the lyrics of one John Shirley on both Bad Channels >and Heaven Forbid. I must say that I rather like them. Well, I'm hardly the one to answer, since the only things I know of mr. Shirley's work are from the lyrical excerpts that have been posted here over the last couple weeks. I must admit that I agree with the "repetitiveness" complaint - I tend to hate choruses that just repeat the same line over and over (and yes, I write lyrics for a band, so I'm "qualified" to critique, even though I'll be the first to admit that I'm no poet and even occasionally guilty of said repetition) - this is probably the biggest problem I have with Ron Tree's current Hawkwind lyrics. >It is no use whatsoever to compare them with Pearlman or Meltzer or >whoever, because 90's B?C is 90's B?C, and nothing else. I would strongly disagree with this statement - after all, 90's B?C is still B?C, not a different band (although this is arguable, given the absence of Pearlman, Meltzer and the Bouchards), and the lyrics by those folks definitely contributed to the overall B?C sound/image/identity. Which is not to say that a band is not allowed to re-invent/re-work those aspects of itself from time-to-time (Hawkwind certainly have, to certain extents), but that doesn't totally disconnect them from their past. >The modern B?C has merits that >stand on their own, apart from a brilliant past. You are correct in that while it's not necessarily unfair to hold a band up to the standards it set at its peak, one should be aware when doing so ... [...] > Now I ask you Hawkfans on the list- when Calvert's lyrics became much of >the centerpiece of the bands work , was he recieved by all as the ultimate >lyricist or did his ideas take some time to show their true brilliance? I'm not sure I can answer that question, but I think that, for the most part, it's only the Hawkfans who, even now, recognize Calvert's brilliance. I'm glad that someone in Berlin is doing his best to change that perception, though! > There are some parallels between Calvert and Shirley, but they are by no >means identical twins. > - they both are essentially writers/poets. > - they both write(wrote) lyrics for rock groups. > - they both pursue(d) their own musical interests. > - they both are a little odd. ... and so was Richard Meltzer on all accounts (see below) > - they both do quite well at it all, except for their own music, which >borders on mediocrity. (Before the church of Calvert excommunicates me- >hey remember Freq and LLatLships!) But what about 'Capt. Lockheed' and 'Hype', two albums that are very strong, musically (although this is because of the other musicians on those albums, not mr. Calvert himself)? And although I'll certainly agree that the musical _performance_ on 'Freq' is pretty thin, I think that the songs themselves hold up very well, both musically (compare the versions on the 'Live at QE Hall' album, for instance) and lyrically (this is really the one album where Calvert, instead of taking the persona of the extraordinary/unusual man, most successfully took on the personality of the ordinary working man, caught in circumstances far beyond his control because of economic conditions, politics, labor relations, etc. - I think that "Work Song" and "All the Machines are Quiet" are up there with "Spirit of the Age" and "Catch a Falling Starfighter" as some of his most poignant and emotive lyrics). > Now, I am not putting Calvert/Shirley as a head to head standoff for "who >is best", that would be futile. I am just saying that perhaps time will >tell that John Shirley will have the same contribution to B?C as the late >great Calvert had for the Hawks. Who knows? > Is John Shirley the B?C equivelent/version of the late, great Calvert? Well, I hate to contradict your second statement, but I think that Richard Meltzer would probably be a closer comparison to Calvert, the only exception being that Bob was never a rock critic (although I love his take on the Clash - an initially-good band [including their Pearlman-produced LP :^)] that f*cked up by falling into the politics=fashion trap that gives us crap like Rage Against The Machine). I may like Vom, but I'd never argue that they were a "great" band. But like I said, I'm not familiar enough with John Shirley to comment authoritatively! Anyone else? >note: now if this doesnt start some conversation, nothing will. : ) >also note: no flames from Calvert fans! What!? You DARE to question the unmatched genius of Robert Calvert? The finest poet ever to command the English language? I call for permanent banishment from boc-l and condemnation to listening exclusively to Rod McKuen albums until you see the error of your ways! :^) >I LOVE Calvert...and I have witnesses to the fact.....right Sonique? ... seconded ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 2 19:45:43 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:45:43 EST Subject: OFF: TEST Message-ID: Test Sorry. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Apr 2 20:04:40 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:04:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: (SNIP) about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance tree bears to calvert. while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like steppenwulf, Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. dont get me wrong- i love it. i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance tree bears to calvert. while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like steppenwulf, Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. dont get me wrong- i love it. i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance tree bears to calvert. while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like steppenwulf, Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. dont get me wrong- i love it. i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. ;) ;) ;) ;) rj From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Apr 2 20:18:15 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:18:15 -0700 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? In-Reply-To: <352435A8.6FB40FA@blackboard.com> Message-ID: > about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance > tree bears to calvert. > while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like > steppenwulf, > Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. > dont get me wrong- i love it. > i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. > > about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance > tree bears to calvert. > while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like > steppenwulf, > Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. > dont get me wrong- i love it. > i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. > > about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance > tree bears to calvert. > while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like > steppenwulf, > Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. > dont get me wrong- i love it. > i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. > > > ;) ;) ;) ;) > > > rj > How many telepathic clones do you have? Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Apr 2 21:01:57 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:01:57 -0800 Subject: BOC: More Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Lots of traffic on this subject lately, I though I'd throw in my $0.02. I love it. Yes it's very different from every other BOC album, but it's been 10+ years since they put out an album, of course it's going to be different. Same goes for the cover art. It wasn't what I was expecting, but so what? -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Apr 3 04:38:26 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:38:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > > ;) ;) ;) ;) > > > > > > rj > > > How many telepathic clones do you have? Damn! wish _I'd_ thot of that one! =P well, as illustrated above, i only have 4 telepathic clones. the rest have all been usurped by psychopathic _clowns_. and my dogs have all flown from their pens. rj From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 3 05:21:26 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:21:26 +1000 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: At 16:39 2/04/98 -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:17:23 +1000, Troy Harris >dared to pose the fascinating question: > >>It is no use whatsoever to compare them with Pearlman or Meltzer or >>whoever, because 90's B?C is 90's B?C, and nothing else. > >I would strongly disagree with this statement - after all, 90's B?C is >still B?C, not a different band (although this is arguable, given the >absence of Pearlman, Meltzer and the Bouchards), and the lyrics by those >folks definitely contributed to the overall B?C sound/image/identity. >Which is not to say that a band is not allowed to re-invent/re-work those >aspects of itself from time-to-time (Hawkwind certainly have, to certain >extents), but that doesn't totally disconnect them from their past. So, bottom line, 90's B?C is 70's B?C? I think 90's B?C is really paying much respect to it's own heritage. It is hardly modern. A friend of mine, of the 20s age group says "they are cool, but too old fashioned" I dont fool myself into thinking they are setting the trend today as they once did. But they do the music I like and that is good enough for me! > >> Now, I am not putting Calvert/Shirley as a head to head standoff for "who >>is best", that would be futile. I am just saying that perhaps time will >>tell that John Shirley will have the same contribution to B?C as the late >>great Calvert had for the Hawks. Who knows? >> Is John Shirley the B?C equivelent/version of the late, great Calvert? > >Well, I hate to contradict your second statement, but I think that Richard >Meltzer would probably be a closer comparison to Calvert, the only >exception being that Bob was never a rock critic (although I love his take >on the Clash - an initially-good band [including their Pearlman-produced LP >:^)] that f*cked up by falling into the politics=fashion trap that gives us >crap like Rage Against The Machine). I may like Vom, but I'd never argue >that they were a "great" band. But like I said, I'm not familiar enough >with John Shirley to comment authoritatively! Anyone else? Yeah, perhaps Richard Meltzer has had some input to the band, and certainly good input, but on the current trend, perhaps John Shirley has a greater input than RM had previously. > >>note: now if this doesnt start some conversation, nothing will. : ) >>also note: no flames from Calvert fans! > >What!? You DARE to question the unmatched genius of Robert Calvert? The >finest poet ever to command the English language? I call for permanent >banishment from boc-l and condemnation to listening exclusively to Rod >McKuen albums until you see the error of your ways! :^) CALVERT RULES!!!! > >>I LOVE Calvert...and I have witnesses to the fact.....right Sonique? > >... seconded ... Thanks for the vote of confidence! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Apr 3 06:00:09 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:00:09 -0700 Subject: HW: The Young Ones Message-ID: Here's a link to a page with a shot from the (previously mentioned) opening of "The Young Ones" with a Hawkwind reference behind Vivian. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 07:03:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:03:21 +0000 Subject: HW: The Young Ones Message-ID: On fre 3 apr 1998 04.00 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > Here's a link to a page with a shot from the (previously mentioned) opening > of "The Young Ones" with a Hawkwind reference behind Vivian. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu And this link is .... where? ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Apr 3 06:23:55 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:23:55 -0700 Subject: HW: The Young Ones In-Reply-To: <282547.3100593801@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Oh, everything has to be SO easy these days... http://personal.redestb.es/mballada/YoungOnes.html Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 5:03 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: The Young Ones > > > On fre 3 apr 1998 04.00 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" > wrote: > > Here's a link to a page with a shot from the (previously mentioned) > opening > > of "The Young Ones" with a Hawkwind reference behind Vivian. > > > > Kevin Sommers > > > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > And this link is .... where? ;) > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Apr 3 06:39:19 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:39:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC BBQ East In-Reply-To: <1449636.3100533978@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > What are the details here again? I've a friend in Maryland who would >probably be up for this! > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson BOC is playing Baltimore on 18 April at a club called Mickey's. We are getting together at a club called T. Appleschmidt's from 1:00 to 8:00 to drink and eat....also a band called called Too Hip For The Room that does some BOC covers is going to be playing at 3:00. Ted From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 08:46:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:46:27 +0000 Subject: BOC: BOC BBQ East Message-ID: Thanks for the info! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Apr 3 10:10:10 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:10:10 EST Subject: Off: Chrome show...OUTRAGEOUS Message-ID: hello, i just got to see Chrome last nite and...was it amazing!!! if any1 gets a chance to catch them live .... it's a must!!! They sounded like early Chrome and played mostly early materials.... Line up: Helios Creed John Stench Hilary Stench Tommy Grenas Evan (dont know last name) i was completely blown away!!!! to get dates for the tour see my page: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html i also have the Bevis Frond dates in there... he's playing Philly tonite and tomorrow!!!!!! space is deep bob lennon From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 3 10:43:36 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:43:36 PST Subject: BOC: Couple O things Message-ID: Hi Kids: Couple of things...... >Someone posted recently that Buck said he took the name Bobrow from a >family in Ithaca. Ok, this puts me in mind of one of my very first posts to BOC-L about 100 years ago, back when I actually had time to post here almost every day (I'm here today because I am home sick). What is it with BOC and proper names of people. Maybe I'm nuts (no comments Brevard) but pound for pound and song for song it seems like no other band gives as many of the song's "characters" actual names. So many obvious ones come to mind from BOC's past: Charles, Susan, Margaret, Joe. Not to mention a handful in Deadline alone. Add Heaven Forbid to this and you have (just off the top of my head) Ann, Bobrow, Cobys, Emmy, Judy, and Jimmy! Just seems odd to me is all I am saying. :^) >At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a novel called >'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the book about? >It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where one young >girl, then others, disappear. It contains several references to >Ithaca, Norwich, Binghamton, Cortland, Syracuse, etc. It's a great OK, I happen to live, work, and play in the sleazy.. er, SLEEPY little Upstate NY town of Norwich. Perhaps I'll give this book a try. Hell, I'll do anything to add a sense of excitement to this place. :^) > The first verse, with all the stuff about the Spanish settlers, >reminds me of Imaginos. The first time I heard Harvest Moon, it immediately put me in mind of Imaginos. Music styles were a bit different, but I just thought it would sound soooooooooooo nice nestled warmly in there, perhaps between DelRio's song and Frankenstein. Oh and I also think Harvest Moon is easily one of the BEST BOC songs ever recorded, and you may quote me on that. Also, I hope everyone enjoyed my "review" of Heaven Forbid. Someone here was kind enough to forward it to the AOL BOC Forum and yesterday morning I received a short message from Buck himself saying how much he enjoyed reading it. If anyone is interested, the address for Buck is Anwar95 at aol.com. One last tidbit. People have mentioned the relative shortness of HF. Even with the Bonus Track it still weighs in at under 45:00. Considering how "Buck heavy" the album is, it would have been nice had they included the Bad Channels songs on this album as well. Would have given both Eric and Buck six songs each, plus the bonus track. Would have added more balance to the album IMHO. Not trying to say that the BC songs are as good as HF (well, I think Horsemen is), but overall they would have worked well on there. Ok, I'm outta here. As you were, people. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 12:09:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:09:34 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_BOC:_Couple_=D6_things?= Message-ID: On fre 3 apr 1998 07.43 +0000 "Torgo Sedler" wrote: > Considering > how "Buck heavy" the album is, it would have been nice had they included > the Bad Channels songs on this album as well. Would have given both Eric > and Buck six songs each, plus the bonus track. Would have added more > balance to the album IMHO. Not trying to say that the BC songs are as > good as HF (well, I think Horsemen is), but overall they would have > worked well on there. That would have been a good idea, even if those songs are in BOC's past now. No matter what people say about the BC songs, I thought they rocked :) Horsemen was ffffing heavy, and I don't care what the lyrics were like :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: tBS, _Malpractice_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 3 06:19:49 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:19:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: Couple O things Message-ID: Torgo wrote: > OK, I happen to live, work, and play in the sleazy.. er, SLEEPY little > Upstate NY town of Norwich. Perhaps I'll give this book a try. Hell, > I'll do anything to add a sense of excitement to this place. :^) Torgo: If you read Church of Dead Girls, drop a line and tell me what you think. I'm interested to see if anyone else gets a "Harvest Moon"-kinda feeling from it. P.S. I was born and raised in Endicott, ejamacated at Cortland. --Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 3 06:33:06 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:33:06 +0000 Subject: Album length Message-ID: Now a dialogue seems to be emerging regarding how BOC could have made Heaven Forbid longer. Obviously, this is something none of us would have minded...however, I have a feeling that if they just slapped a Bad Channels tune on their, we all would have asked, "Why not a NEW song?!" I think the ironic thing when discussing length is that no one on this list would dare say HF is BOC's best album. But many of the albums they would list ahead of it fall UNDER THE 45-MINUTE MARK! While I would have gladly accepted more songs, it's probably just as well that they ended where they did. I like some songs better than others, but to my ears, there's not one certified dog on the whole disc. In the age of 50 and 60-minute albums, I'm generally seeing a lot of overkill and wasted disc space. -- NICK From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Apr 3 11:40:38 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:40:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple's latest on CMC Message-ID: Deep Purple's new album "Abandon" is going to be relased in the US in May on CMC, just like their last album, "Purpendicular". Supposedly it's going to be heavier than _|_. According to deep-purple.com, Steve Morse wanted to call the album "Go For the Jugular", but it was too close to Judas Priest's CMC album, "Jugulator"! More great music coming from the folks at CMC. I hope they'll continue to give BOC the support that they've given to DP. Brian Four at work today: Rush- Counterparts (I'm not saying anything... ;) Led Zeppelin- Boxed Set II, disk 1 The Brain Surgeons- Malpractise Prez. of the USA- Prez. of the USA From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 3 06:53:11 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:53:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple's latest on CMC Message-ID: > Deep Purple's new album "Abandon" > is going to be relased in the US in May > on CMC, just like their last album, > "Purpendicular". Awesome! What are the chances of a CMC mega-tour? Think about it...BOC, DP, Motorhead...just as long as they don't throw Mike Tramp in there!!!!! --Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 3 12:53:50 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:53:50 +0000 Subject: Album length Message-ID: On fre 3 apr 1998 11.33 +0000 "Nick English" wrote: > Now a dialogue seems to be emerging regarding how BOC could have made > Heaven Forbid longer. Obviously, this is something none of us would > have minded...however, I have a feeling that if they just slapped a > Bad Channels tune on their, we all would have asked, "Why not a NEW > song?!" Nah, I already know they've run out of new songs :) I just thought the BC songs merited a wider audience than they actually received. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Apr 3 13:16:42 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:16:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple's latest on CMC Message-ID: I said: > > Deep Purple's new album "Abandon" > > is going to be relased in the US in May > > on CMC, just like their last album, > > "Purpendicular". > Then Nick said: > Awesome! What are the chances of a CMC mega-tour? Think about > it...BOC, DP, Motorhead...just as long as they don't throw Mike Tramp > in there!!!!! > The Grizzled-Fest! Add in Judas Priest and Saxon and it'll bring in headbangers from Portland, Maine to Portland, Oregon... Then they can all play Accept's "Balls To the Wall" with special guest- Joe Cocker! :-( Seriously though, this would be a great idea. In the meantime though, DP will be touring the states with ELP and Dream Theater. And, of course, BOC is on tour forever. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2513 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Apr 3 14:46:52 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:46:52 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Syntax for setting NO-MAIL? Message-ID: Subject line says it all. I'm outta here for a while, so I need to turn my mail off. Please send me the proper syntax for setting NO-MAIL. Thanx... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 3 15:03:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:03:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Couple O things Message-ID: >At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a novel called >'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the book about? >It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where one young >girl, then others, disappear. Of course, Harvest Moon is probably about a more southern area - don't think the Spaniards had too many settlers in upstate New York... >The first time I heard Harvest Moon, it immediately put me in mind of Imaginos. Music styles were a bit different, but I just thought it would sound soooooooooooo nice nestled warmly in there, perhaps between DelRio's song and Frankenstein. Very much Imaginos-esque. Maybe the Magna of Illusion (or some other relic) was buried in the ground in this area and poisoned it much as it did to Europe before the outbreak of WWI (as told by the Imaginos liner notes). By the way, Sandy Pearlman commented in the GOLDMINE interview that he thought that this was one of Buck's best songs ever. This story sounds also a little similar to Stephen King's "The Tommyknockers", were an ancient spacecraft, which presumably crashed to earth many years before, lay buried in the ground, poisoning the town (newspaper reports from the past revealed many cases of people going mad, mass murders, and the like). >Also, I hope everyone enjoyed my "review" of Heaven Forbid. Someone here was kind enough to forward it to the AOL BOC Forum and yesterday morning I received a short message from Buck himself saying how much he enjoyed reading it. That story was incredibly cool. Buck was mentioned very positively in it, so I'm not surprised he liked it. Of course, it did sort of touch on some other realities that other members may not have wished to deal with (the absense of "the Brothers", the fact that "the Shaded One" was sounding a bit tired, and the fact that "the Smoking One" is somewhat silent on the disc), but of course "Lord Dharma has never been more powerful". I enjoyed it tremendously - how 'bout a follow-up to describe the songs? >One last tidbit. People have mentioned the relative shortness of HF. Even with the Bonus Track it still weighs in at under 45:00. Considering how "Buck heavy" the album is, it would have been nice had they included the Bad Channels songs on this album as well. Would have given both Eric and Buck six songs each, plus the bonus track. Would have added more balance to the album IMHO. Not trying to say that the BC songs are as good as HF (well, I think Horsemen is), but overall they would have worked well on there. I agree with this. The Bad Channels songs, being more John Shirley lyrics (and that is both good and bad to some people), would have fit well with Heaven Forbid - perhaps remixed, but even if left as originally appeared, that would've been fine. Someone mentioned on another online forum that Moonstone Records owns the rights to them, and didn't want to allow BOC to re-use these tracks. If that's true, I find it rather stupid, since I doubt they are going to make too much more money on future sales of Bad Channels, especially seeing how it is becoming harder and harder to obtain (then again, maybe they'll re-release it if HF sells well?). I've got one more suggestion, but again it involves some legal issues, and getting permission from other copyright holders. If the band wanted to put a live track on of an older song, sort of "just for the fans"... do you see where I'm going with this one? They should've put "Wings of Mercury" on it. This song, while it's quality may be debatable, is something of a legend in BOC's history. It's a question that pops up rather frequently - people have heard of it, or maybe heard it in '85/'86, and keep thinking that since it didn't make Club Ninja, maybe it would be on Heaven Forbid -- of course, the band has not played it in 12 years. Some suggest that it might appear on the possible-upcoming King Biscuit release, but Bolle (who thinks his release may come out around October) doesn't think so, since it was written by Karl Percoda, and therefore the band would have to get permission to have it released. So, if you had added those 3 to the current HF, you'd have 14 tracks, half sung by Eric, half by Buck. You'd have the hard-to-find Bad Channels tunes, which lyrically fit well. And you'd have the fabled "Wings of Mercury". The disc would then clock in somewhere between about 50 and 55 minutes, perhaps a bit more typical of CDs in the 90s. Would've been a good idea. Maybe if I didn't already have these 3 tracks on CD, I would've complained about this... John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 3 14:42:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:42:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Couple O things In-Reply-To: <199804032003.PAA07010@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > Of course, Harvest Moon is probably about a more southern area - don't > think the Spaniards had too many settlers in upstate New York... > BD isn't too concerned with accuracy here. Later in the song he talks about finding the girl's body when the snow melts. I'm trying to think of a place where the Spaniards settled, where it snows, and where farming takes place? I know the Spaniards discovered most of Calif., and there are mountains there that would have snow, but I can't think it would be farm land. Maybe Colorado? Any farming going on out there? 'Course my Northeastern bias makes me automatically think dairy farming, but then, I don't think there's too much snow where they grow cash crops... > >The first time I heard Harvest Moon, it immediately put me in mind of > Imaginos. Music styles were a bit different, but I just thought it would > sound soooooooooooo nice nestled warmly in there, perhaps between > DelRio's song and Frankenstein. > > Very much Imaginos-esque. Maybe the Magna of Illusion (or some other > relic) was buried in the ground in this area and poisoned it much as > it did to Europe before the outbreak of WWI (as told by the Imaginos > liner notes). By the way, Sandy Pearlman commented in the GOLDMINE > interview that he thought that this was one of Buck's best songs ever. > Couldn't agree more. Harvest Moon is a masterpiece. Ranks with anything BOC's ever done... > This story sounds also a little similar to Stephen King's "The Tommyknockers", > were an ancient spacecraft, which presumably crashed to earth many years > before, lay buried in the ground, poisoning the town (newspaper reports > from the past revealed many cases of people going mad, mass murders, and > the like). > I never got much of an Imaginos connection. To me it's thematically similar to DFtR. Here the fickle change of season takes the place of the Reaper, and the Old People, 'feeling old,' are victims of social change. Farming isn't profitable, youth grows up to challenge the old, society turn over. The old die or leave, and 'another 40 thousand' come every day to take their place. BUT--It's easy to see the Imaginos imagery too: the Spaniards burn the land and conquer the native people, thus imparting a taint on the land. The seasons exert their force over humans, and expel human presence. Too, reference to the War [WW II, I guess?] ties in neatly with Imaginos. And of course, the feeling of 'a presence here,' like the foreshadowing presence mentioned in 'Live For Me...' theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 3 16:13:55 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:13:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Couple O things Message-ID: >BD isn't too concerned with accuracy here. Later in the song he talks about finding the girl's body when the snow melts. I'm trying to think of a place where the Spaniards settled, where it snows, and where farming takes place? I know the Spaniards discovered most of Calif., and there are mountains there that would have snow, but I can't think it would be farm land. Maybe Colorado? Any farming going on out there? 'Course my Northeastern bias makes me automatically think dairy farming, but then, I don't think there's too much snow where they grow cash crops... Good points. Colorado sounds possible, there are farms there, although going "south to work the boats" form their might be quite a trip. Then again, maybe he's not even talking about the United States... Of course, the song says "The Spaniards settled here" and then "moved away from here" - maybe this was some secret Spanish colony not recorded in the history books? John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 3 16:18:51 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:18:51 -0500 Subject: (C) Heaven Forbid, Tricertops, & B. O'cult Message-ID: I noticed that on HF, all songs are copyright either Tricertops or Six Pound Dog music*. The ones that are (c) Six Pound Dog Music and Tricertops are the ones that Eric worked on, the rest are merely Tricertops. So this leaves us with the fact that none of the BOC songs are copyright B.O'cult music, something that all of them have been prior to this, through Cult Classic. I can find no copyright info on Summerdaze, but am missing the back cover (I normally toss these out after buying the cd along with the jewel case)... *Except In Thee, which is now (c) Sony Music, not B.O'cult music. I remember Albert mentioning something about them selling off their songs, and this would tend to go along with that.... so..... Tricertops? A subtle reference to the "3" in "3OC", or another way of looking at the "big three"? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 3 16:25:10 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:25:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Couple O things Message-ID: >>At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a novel called >>'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the book about? >>It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where one young >>girl, then others, disappear. > >Of course, Harvest Moon is probably about a more southern area - don't >think the Spaniards had too many settlers in upstate New York... I don't know why, but I always picture Harvest Moon being set in New Mexico. Spaniards did settle there, going back further than anywhere else they settled west of the mississippi (and St. Augustine they only did because of the French). It is an area with a rich UFO tradition already referenced in other BOC songs, not that the song is about UFO/alien stuff, though it could be taken that way if you want. Plus, we have BOC-L'ers living there, and it's an area I visit every summer to get away from the heat, and rather enjoy... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Apr 3 17:44:06 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:44:06 +0200 Subject: BOC: A Scandinavian HF review light. In-Reply-To: <19980403163111.AAA9128@[208.214.94.84]> Message-ID: Yesterday with the mail I got Blue ?yster Cult's Heaven Forbid and Joe Satrianis Crystal Planet which I ordered only 9 days ago at CDNow. And with the cost of shipping I still saved at least $ 12 considering the swedish prices. It's been lots of music the last 24 hours, but not much of Satriani yet. 22 years after Agents of Fortune I feel obliged to say something about what I thought to be BOC:s last album (I'm not sure anymore...) First some minor notes: * As already been said: 45 minutes is a bit short these days. Satrianis Crystal Planet counts to almost 68! * Buck's guitarsound is nowadays somewhat thin for my taste. * The lyrics? Well I've never cared much about texts (especially if it's sci-fi/ufo). * Does someone have some slight eyeproblem? Okey: Men in Black: Of course much better sound quality than picked up from www.hardradio.com. A great starter. And one of the fastest BOC songs ever! Harvest Moon: Buck painting layers of shining atmospheres, and topping it with creamy guitarsparkling fireworks... Power Underneath Despair: Not my favorite on the disc, heavyfooted somehow(well I would not recommend dancing to it). Saved by the Eric's voice and the guitars. X-Ray Eyes: A sweet Roeser pop song. Excellent guitarpatterns and singalong chorus of the kind that gets stuck in the brain. Hammer Back: Goshhh! What the heck is this! I was not prepared. A Cult Classic in 1998!!! (lacking words I wish there were larger exclamationmarks!) This one could even have been on "On Your Feet..."! I suddenly feel younger... And the second solo - you're not really allowed to do that with a guitar. I'm on my knees. Damaged: The greatest surprise on the disc, and a fun one! Anyone consider this played by tired geezers? I certainly don't think so! For me this one tells me they don't longer try to live up to that old BOC mythology - but it sure sounds like they are having lotta fun. Me too.(Man undrar n?got: har de h?rt The Creeps?) Cold Grey Light Of Dawn: Feels in right place, suitable after Damaged. Smooth heavy cool grey dawn. Eric's in full power and controll. I'm not sure why I like it as much as I do. I cannot stop myself singing along, drifting along in a slower pace. (making me in tune for...) ... Real World: Oh my... Yet a big surprise - a BOC blues-ballad. An absolute Buck Dharma gem! I don't look on MTV, but Real World ought to be played on it all day. If Clapton made this it could have sold millions. Live for me: In this context lacking in originality. Here they actually had a chance to prolong the disc with a much longer intrumental part. Still burnin': Good rolling rocker with a exciting, haunting chorus! In Thee: Well, I find the original much better. I would have prefered a new live version of The last days of May or some cover. But hey, maybe it's time for another Live-album now?:-) (by the way, anyone interested in In Thee tab, mail me) Summary: Great rock'n'roll! Tremendous guitarwork and two voices in best of shape! A class album worth lots of buyers that would not be disappointed! Why not buy two or three more to give away as presents! I'm more than pleased. I'm having a good time! (I'm sure Salvador Dali wouldn't mind the Virgin Mary paraphrase. But is she really a virgin?) Dan L (very off question: Does anyone of you know of NLP?) __ __ / `_' / ,,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ ''' "Feel good... for no reason at all" Richard Bandler From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Apr 3 18:17:54 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:17:54 EST Subject: BOC: Harvest Moon Message-ID: Not that it's worth anything, but my family is of Spanish decent, and my Grandparents were grape farmers in Western NY. So there could have been other farmers there of Spanish decent. We were all the way West, so our grapes went to Welch's. There are grape farms and dairy farms all over the Finger Lakes region, so anything is possible. Most people around the Finger Lakes region sold their grapes to the wineries around Hammondsport. A Welch's contract is much better than the winery contract because the wineries kept getting bought out by people like Seagram's and Coke. The farmer's doing business with the wineries were squeezed from time to time, and jerked around because Coke saw wine sales as a competitor in the stores. Many farms bit the dust because of all this political bullshit. These farms were referred to as Vineyards and not fields, though. I bet a lot of people moved away from there, I know I did! (A little snow is a good thing:-) chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 3 09:02:51 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:02:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? In-Reply-To: <352435A8.6FB40FA@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <352435A8.6FB40FA at blackboard.com>, sprawl writes >(SNIP) > >about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance >tree bears to calvert. >while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like >steppenwulf, >Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. >dont get me wrong- i love it. >i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. My nerves are made out of steel > >about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance >tree bears to calvert. >while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like >steppenwulf, >Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. >dont get me wrong- i love it. >i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. My nerves are made out of steel > >about repetition: IMO (of course), repetition is the strongest resemblance >tree bears to calvert. >while many of calvert's songs are more like stories, with nary a chorus (like >steppenwulf, >Spirit of the age, etc,) he has just as many that are extremely repetitive. >dont get me wrong- i love it. >i think the repetition _makes_ some of these songs. My nerves are made out of steel > > >;) ;) ;) ;) > > >rj Right Stuff, baby, The Right Stuff -- Jon From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Apr 4 07:09:19 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:09:19 EST Subject: Off: Bevis Frond live in the U.S. Message-ID: hello, Bevis Frond is on tour in the states .... his first show was in Philadelphia last nite and it was absolutely amazing.... whats even better for the area is that they are playing Philadelphia again this evening..... i hope everyone who has a BF tour date near them has the opportunity to see them sorry, but i'm not a big statistics fan, so i cant dump all kinds of facts and figures onto the list (such as tracks, line-up what hotel they stayed at) but i can assure you that it's a show well worth seeing... The Khyber was packed last nite...and the crowd was quite pleased... bob From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 4 08:36:15 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:36:15 +0200 Subject: Bevis Frond live in the U.S. Message-ID: Hawkwinder writes: > sorry, but i'm not a big statistics fan, so i cant dump all kinds of facts > and figures onto the list (such as tracks, line-up what hotel they stayed at) When BF last played in Oslo about 3 weeks ago... I went to see them the day *after* they played because there was a misprint in the ad in the paper, and I never double checked with the venue. Sometimes there is that ONE vital fact not to miss... and we arrived a day late! (I suppose it could be another 0.3 to 0.7 day for warming the parking meter, soundchecks, autographs, pre-calculating the setlist, working on the dedications etc. etc. etc.). > but i can assure you that it's a show well worth seeing... > The Khyber was packed last nite...and the crowd was quite pleased... > bob What did bum me out is that I missed experiencing a good band play live music for a couple of hours. Hell, another reason I wanted to go was to get the new BF and Adrian Shaw discs - bands always sell them cheaper at shows than the stores do :) Christian ObCD: Jessamine - s/t From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 4 10:35:09 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:35:09 +0200 Subject: BOC: HW: is John Shirley the BOC Calvert? Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > My nerves are made out of steel > My nerves are made out of steel > > My nerves are made out of steel > > > > Right Stuff, baby, The Right Stuff What were Calvert's nerves really made of? Christian From ove.haakansson at SWIPNET.SE Sat Apr 4 12:34:14 1998 From: ove.haakansson at SWIPNET.SE (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ove_H=E5kansson?=) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:34:14 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=D6C_at_Astoria_London_3_Juni?= Message-ID: Hi all B?C-fans!!! Me and my friend Richard are going to Astoria to see the gig..., Does anyone know if they are possible to by B?C-stuff there?. And does anyone know what song's from HF they gonna play?. On Your Feet!! // Ove Sweden Ps. Exuese me for my crappy English..... From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Sat Apr 4 13:10:58 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:10:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Your advice my fellow hawkfans (once again) Message-ID: Yes, I require your advice once again.. I have some credit at Cleopatra records, and I wonder what *good* spacerock or nik turner or helios creed or pressurehed perhaps, I could use my credit on. I had ordered a HW shirt (which they no longer carry), I am very bummed they didn't have them anymore, I've been dying to get one since the beginning of time! (Anyone know of any places that have them??) On a different note, I got Nik's Space Ritual video from Cleopatra. It is pretty good, tho I was bummed that it is not the full CDs on video, and no Watching the Grass Grow (which is one of my fave tracks from SR94!) I also have watched Chaos and Night of the Hawks now.. I prefer NotH, even if it is darker, tho the effects on Chaos are much better.. Nik is SO funny on NotH, he kinda reminds me of Julian Clary :P wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Apr 5 00:14:06 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:14:06 -0800 Subject: HW: Your advice my fellow hawkfans (once again) Message-ID: In the UK you can get Hawkwind t-shirts from H.W.92, PO Box 28 Honiton, Devon, EX14 9YS. ?12 UK/?14 Europe Zeit Walrus wrote: > > Yes, I require your advice once again.. > I have some credit at Cleopatra records, and I wonder what *good* > spacerock or nik turner or helios creed or pressurehed perhaps, I could > use my credit on. I had ordered a HW shirt (which they no longer carry), > I am very bummed they didn't have them anymore, I've been dying to get one > since the beginning of time! (Anyone know of any places that have them??) From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Apr 4 15:25:08 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:25:08 EST Subject: Bevis Frond live in the U.S. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/98 9:18:23 AM EST, mumford at ONLINE.NO writes: << Hawkwinder writes: > sorry, but i'm not a big statistics fan, so i cant dump all kinds of facts > and figures onto the list (such as tracks, line-up what hotel they stayed at) When BF last played in Oslo about 3 weeks ago... I went to see them the day *after* they played because there was a misprint in the ad in the paper, and I never double checked with the venue. Sometimes there is that ONE vital fact not to miss... and we arrived a day late! (I suppose it could be another 0.3 to 0.7 day for warming the parking meter, soundchecks, autographs, pre-calculating the setlist, working on the dedications etc. etc. etc.). >> hey how bout all the people who went to the Balcony last nite expecting to see BF... i'm sure they were as disapointed.....since they changed the venue....i found out by accident bob From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Apr 4 16:59:00 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:59:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Your advice my fellow hawkfans (once again) Message-ID: Wal asks... >Yes, I require your advice once again.. >I have some credit at Cleopatra records, and I wonder what *good* >spacerock or nik turner or helios creed or pressurehed perhaps, I could >use my credit on. Well, Cleopatra has numerous sub-labels that have interesting stuff. The newest, Purple Pyramid, has quickly become one of my favourites, by releasing good older material (including compilations of Amon Duul II, Guru Guru, etc., and Brainticket albums) as well as putting out decent new stuff, like Space Explosion and Melting Euphoria. Hypnotic (the ambient label) carries Spiral Realms' stuff (Simon House), of course. As far as Nik goes, I like Past or Future? the best, but can't remember if that's on Cleopatra or not. Have fun...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Tango Fango - Guru Guru From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sat Apr 4 20:29:32 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: IRC Chat with Buck Dharma Message-ID: Hello folks! This note is just a little reminder that The Artist Shop and Talk City will be co-hosting an IRC chat with Buck Dharma tomorrow (that's Sunday, April 5) at 5pm EST. You'll find all the information on joining the chat - server, channel, sofware to download if needed - at The Artist Shop IRC page . You'll also find a link to the log of a previous chat that The Artist Shop had with Buck almost a year ago exactly! So I hope to see a lot of you at this upcoming chat. SO DON'T FORGET TO RESET YOUR CLOCKS ;-) Gary P.S. While your visiting us, don't forget to check out the Buck Dharma video at and also The Brain Surgeons and Joe Bouchard & The X-Brothers at . ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Apr 5 05:57:35 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 04:57:35 -0500 Subject: HW-t shirt Message-ID: > I am very bummed they didn't have them anymore, I've been dying to get one > since the beginning of time! (Anyone know of any places that have them??) > You can get a really cool Hawkwind glow in the dark "hawkshield" from Jim's Strange DAze '98 site. On the back are the 97 us tour dates. It is the coolest HW shirt I've ever seen. He's selling them for $20.00. An absolute steal. No idea how many he has left. Also the site mentions strange daze tickets go on sale June 1st. Also looks like it's going to be a 3 day festival this year. I can see it now; first night Alan Davey, second night Nik, third night Hawkwind. This is going to be incredible, I'm going into orbit. This event should be released as a double live album too. -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 5 09:20:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:20:02 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_B=D6C_at_Astoria_London_3_Juni?= Message-ID: On l?r 4 apr 1998 19.34 +0200 "Ove H?kansson" wrote: > Does > anyone know if they are possible to by B?C-stuff there?. De brukar s?lja T-tr?jar p? deras konserterna. > Ps. Exuese me for my crappy English..... B?ttre ?n min d?lig svensk :) mvh, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Apr 5 09:44:19 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:44:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Your advice my fellow hawkfans (once again) Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > Yes, I require your advice once again.. > I have some credit at Cleopatra records, and I wonder what *good* > spacerock or nik turner or helios creed or pressurehed perhaps, I could > use my credit on. I had ordered a HW shirt (which they no longer carry), i recommend picking up the cleopatra "chrome box" set. possibly the best thing in cleo'scatalogue. also, if ya like ambient stuff- "spacedaze- a history of space rock" is a good comp. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Apr 5 09:45:23 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:45:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Your advice my fellow hawkfans (once again) Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > carries Spiral Realms' stuff (Simon House), of course. As far as Nik goes, > I like Past or Future? the best, but can't remember if that's on Cleopatra > or not. it is.rj From PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU Sun Apr 5 11:05:03 1998 From: PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU (PSYCKT at VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:05:03 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze '98 Web site? Message-ID: Could someone give me the URL for Jim's Strange Daze site? Thanks, Tom psyckt at hscsyr.edu From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Apr 5 13:15:15 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:15:15 +0200 Subject: HW: German HAWKFAN meeting 1998 (correction!) Message-ID: BACK TO THE FUTURE IN 1998 !!!! The space-party in Hamburg is happening again. The German hawkfans are pleased to announce their Hawkfan meeting like 1997 Time: Friday, 12.06.1998 to Saturday, 13.06.1998 Place: Hamburg-Harburg (Moorburger Bogen), on the camping ground of the Heavy-Metal club "Tipsy Apes" By car: Go on the Autobahn A7, take exit HEIMFELD, then follow signs. By train: Hamburg mainstation, take S-Bahn and exit HEIMFELD Bring along tents and sleeping bags No entrance fees, but donations are VERY WELCOME Beverages for sale (small money) CLUB EVENT. NO COMMERCIAL FESTIVAL !!! Line-Up Friday: 18:00h Tranquilizer (D) 20:00h Growing Seeds (D) 22:00h Spacehead (GB) Line-Up Saturday 18:00h Mandragora Light Society (D) 20:00h Darxtar (S) 22:00h Bedouin (GB) Perhaps NIK TURNER comes up to jam with Darxtar or Spacehead For more informations get in contact with: Thomas Leonhardt Hafenstrasse 2 25436 Uetersen Germany Tel: Gemany 04122 7489927 Fax: Gemany 04122 7489927 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Apr 5 16:10:27 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:10:27 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_B=D6C_at_Astoria_London_3_Juni?= In-Reply-To: <170054.3100771202@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Anyone got the number for the Astoria box-office? ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Apr 6 01:51:15 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:51:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: Recommendations on Geo. Winston and Sonny Landrath? Message-ID: Anybody out there with diverse enough musical tastes to listen to Geo. Winston? If so, any recommendations between the Forest, Summer, and Autumn CD's? Also, any opinions re Sonny Landrath's CD, South of I-10? James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Apr 6 02:52:04 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:52:04 +0200 Subject: BOC: In Sweden! Message-ID: Hej, I was told from a good source that BOC will be playing with Motorhead on saturday 6th at the Karlshamm festival in southern sweden!!! Carl are you going to come visit? Killer!! SCott ObCs- Solitude Aeturnus- Berlin 95' R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Apr 6 03:15:01 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:15:01 +0200 Subject: BOC in sweden! Message-ID: Hej, I checked the web page at; http://www.ipmp.se/ and it is true BOC! Others at the festival are ; Bruce Dickenson Johnny Lang Creedence Clearwater Revisited Clawfinger Freak Kitchen hammerfall Peps Down Home Blues Band SCott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 6 09:40:47 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:40:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Recommendations on Geo. Winston and Sonny Landrath? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, James Coburn wrote: > Also, any opinions re Sonny Landrath's CD, South of I-10? I bought Sonny Landreth's _South of I-10_ used, on a vague, yet enthusiastic recommendation from someone who had heard from a co-worker that it was "brilliant." It didn't grab me---quite obviously so, since I can't remember much about it, apart from that Landreth plays slide guitar. But then again, I have a penchant for old-style blues, and don't cotton to all these Johnny-come-latelys who are supposed to be the next big thing. (In a similar vein, I find Kenny Wayne Shepard's recent opus to be a nice listen, but I'd rather listen to the real McCoy any day of the week.) I could re-listen to _South of I-10_, I suppose, if you wanted some specific critique... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Roy Bookbinder, _Travelin' Man_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 6 10:17:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:17:57 +0100 Subject: new snailmail address Message-ID: For those who've been trading with me, as from the end of this week I'll be at: 15/12 Duncan Street Newington Edinburgh EH9 1SR Scotland Cheers Mike From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Apr 6 12:26:44 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:26:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (OFF) Message-ID: >From: eldritch >Destroy All Monsters are great. I always wondered what the Dark >Carnival stuff was like. I saw both albums on green vinyl, but didn't >have the cash to get them. >I picked up Silver Wedding Anniversary by DAM when I was in Italy. >Weird album....not like their old stuff.. Actually the _Silver Wedding Anniversary_ *is* like their old stuff - Ron Asheton marks the beginning of the "new" Destroy All Monsters. It's just that most of the old stuff was very hard to come by, although there is now a three CD set of it that is best avoided if you didn't like _Silver Wedding Anniversary_. You should also avoid the video tape if you disliked _Silver Wedding Anniversary_. To be honest, unless you have a high tolerance for overly pretentious home movies you should avoid the video tape. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Apr 6 14:10:00 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:10:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Mike Watt on tour Message-ID: A brief excerpt from the tour diary of my pal, Bob Lee, who's playing drums with Mike Watt on his current European (and upcoming American) tour ... >3/26/98 - bologna, italy > > we spent yesterday driving here, met enrico the italian promotor who >will be travelling through italy with us. I'm glad he's here, real nice >guy and very knowledgeable about music, also because very few people speak >english here, or relatively few compared to the countries we've been in. [...] >second opening act of the tour: luciano chessa, a guitarist/ banjoist with >a rhtyhm section. fascinating blend of pop and atonal elements, nothing >like sonic youth... kinda reminds me of l.a.'s karen reitzel. luciano was >kind enough to give me an lp,I hope it survives the journey home. our >show is excellent, the most spirited crowd yet. really a great night, ... and here's the part you've been waiting for ... >polished off by listening to watt sing me the highlights of his favorite >blue oyster cult songs over hash in the hotel room. he wants to start >doing "cities on flame" or "e.t.i."., so be sure to yell these out if >we come to your town. ... so you know what to do ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Apr 6 14:35:35 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:35:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech "Re: HW: Two questions" (Mar 19, 8:16pm) Message-ID: > >2) For the video of Hawkwind at the Gaumont Theatre in Southampton on > > October 25, 1981, can anyone give me any release information? That > > is, who released it, when, and does it have some other title? > > This video was released during the autumn 1993 tour by the band officially. > This video does not have a title, date or a venue. Just SONOC ATTAC. > I asked Dave on this tour backstage where this video was recorded. "Dunno" > he said, "to long ago" > > After listening and comparing my 1981 tapes from the October 1981 tour with > this video I had to admit that I didn't have a tape from that gig where the > video was from. And then after discussing with some fans I decided that > this video must be from Southampton. Maybe I am wrong but I am very sure > that it is from the end of the tour. And there were only a handfull of > dates left were the video could be from. Thanks much for the reply! I passed the information along to the person asking. Did Rob Godwin ever get in touch with you for the Hawkwind/Pink Floyd poster scan? I'm sorry I was out of town and couldn't coordinate it. Either way, thanks for the effort! Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I just found out that the brain is like a computer. If that's true, then there really aren't any stupid people. Just people running DOS. From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Apr 6 14:30:19 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:30:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (OFF) Message-ID: Hmmm.. I hated Silver Wedding Anniversary the first few times I heard it... Then the 4th time it blew me away..It really is a good album. It just took a bit of getting into. Any idea which release has 'Jesus is a Shotgun' on it, my favourite DAM song after 'Nobody Knows'.... eldritch From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Apr 6 14:42:11 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:42:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Two questions (OOPS!) In-Reply-To: Frank Weil "Re: HW: Two questions" (Apr 6, 1:35pm) Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > > >2) For the video of Hawkwind at the Gaumont Theatre in Southampton on > > > October 25, 1981, can anyone give me any release information? That > > > is, who released it, when, and does it have some other title? > Thanks much for the reply! I passed the information along to the > person asking. etc... Sorry, folks! That was supposed to be a private reply to Bernhard, but I messed up the header. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Your brain, for example, is so _minute_, Baldrick, that if a hungry cannibal cracked your head open, there wouldn't be enough inside to cover a small water-biscuit. -- Baldrick and Edmund : Captain Cook From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Apr 6 14:40:52 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:40:52 +0100 Subject: Stone Circles (OFF) Message-ID: ;-) I got a nice photo of Castlerigg Stonecircle(as featured on the Electric Tepee album cover - the circle that is!) at Summer Solstice a couple of years ago, with the sun rising. If anyone wants a copy, I'll mail them one. It makes great wallpaper... One of my fave Hawkwind memories is bundled up in a sleepin bag, solstice 93 at Castlerigg, with all sorts of wonderful strange people and things, tribal drums, didgeridu, fire jugglers, witches, and crystal healers. Someone stuck 'Spirit of the Age' on a casette deck, and It was floating in and out of my consciousness all night. Hawkwind was meant for that scene ;-) Maaaaan! And when the sun rose.....someone set off a huge pink alarm clock in the middle of the circle... eldritch From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 6 15:44:33 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:44:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: Apparently a number of music news sources that ingnored the band the past ten years are now reporting that the band has "reunited". Well... (and this expounds of something I put on alt.music.blueoystercult), I think it is better to let them believe this. There is more media sympathy for a reunion/comeback than for a band that never went away but was mostly ignored. So, to support this, I think we need to come up with an fake explanation of what the band has been up to. Hence this: Eric - Was wandering around in Roswell, New Mexico, when he blacked out. Now, ten years later, he woke up on the sidewalk in times square, with no memory of the past ten years, except some songs in his head. He wrote them down, and they are part of HF. Buck - Was helping out a friend investigate a bootleg t-shirt smuggling ring, set up a bust that went wrong, was captured and taken to the bootleg manufacturing plant in borneo, where he escaped but had to make money playing guitar in local watering holes until he had enough $ to return. He then looked for Eric until he returned as mentioned above. Allan - After spending several years trying to patent his custom cigarette-holding guitar (complete with electric lighter), he finally gave up on the project when he heard BOC was reuniting. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 6 16:05:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:05:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: Andrew: Is that a story for BOC or Spinal Tap? ;-) John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 6 17:11:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:11:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: On m?n 6 apr 1998 16.05 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Is that a story for BOC or Spinal Tap? ;-) Meanwhile, Al had already formed the Brain Surgeons in the course of a bizarre gardening accident. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 6 17:01:55 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:01:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: >On m?n 6 apr 1998 16.05 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: >> Is that a story for BOC or Spinal Tap? ;-) > > Meanwhile, Al had already formed the Brain Surgeons in the course of a bizarre gardening accident. The Police were contacted, but they said it was one of those things "best left unsolved"... Y'know, since Al, BOC has gone through almost as many drummers as Spinal Tap. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 6 18:59:26 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:59:26 EDT Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell In-Reply-To: <19980403154337.10933.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Someone on another list posted that BBC reports that Cozy Powell was killed in a car wreck. Cozy liked fast cars, something he had in common with former band-mate [and look=alike] Jeff Beck. In fact JB also nearly bought it in a car crash back in the 70s. Cozy was a great drummer, sorely missed... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 6 19:07:11 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:07:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Couple O things In-Reply-To: <19980403154337.10933.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > Ok, this puts me in mind of one of my very first posts to BOC-L about > 100 years ago, back when I actually had time to post here almost every > day (I'm here today because I am home sick). What is it with BOC and > proper names of people. Maybe I'm nuts (no comments Brevard) but pound > for pound and song for song it seems like no other band gives as many of > the song's "characters" actual names. > > So many obvious ones come to mind from BOC's past: Charles, Susan, > Margaret, Joe. Not to mention a handful in Deadline alone. Add Heaven How 'bout 'Jim' from In Thee, and Jacques Cousteau from -ugh- Club Ninja's Perfect Water? > Forbid to this and you have (just off the top of my head) Ann, Bobrow, > Cobys, Emmy, Judy, and Jimmy! > Don't forget Beth! This has always intrigued me as well, but I like it! > Just seems odd to me is all I am saying. :^) > > >At the time of Harvest Moon's release, I was reading a novel called > >'The Church of Dead Girls' by Stephen Dobyns. What is the book about? > >It's about a sleepy, rural town in Upstate New York where one young > >girl, then others, disappear. It contains several references to > >Ithaca, Norwich, Binghamton, Cortland, Syracuse, etc. It's a great > > OK, I happen to live, work, and play in the sleazy.. er, SLEEPY little > Upstate NY town of Norwich. Perhaps I'll give this book a try. Hell, > I'll do anything to add a sense of excitement to this place. :^) > Well I work at S.U., and Dobyns is somewhat of a god here, as he's a prof. Though I believe he got into some kind of Clintonesque shit a while back with a female grad student. He's taken a bit of time off to work on his writing 'til the shit blows over. Never read his stuff. Tobias Wolff [who wrote the book for the DiCaprio vehicle This Boy's Life] is another writing prof up here. Never got to study with either of them, and I missed my chance with Toby, as he's off to another school... Not everyone is in love with Dobyns' writing. Some reviewers find him rather simplistic. Haven't read his stuff personally... From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Mon Apr 6 19:14:25 1998 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:14:25 -0600 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell In-Reply-To: <2149D865DB@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: This really is a bummer. Cozy was one of my favorite drummers. Tom At 06:59 PM 4/6/98 EDT, you wrote: >Someone on another list posted that BBC reports that Cozy Powell was >killed in a car wreck. > >Cozy liked fast cars, something he had in common with former >band-mate [and look=alike] Jeff Beck. In fact JB also nearly bought >it in a car crash back in the 70s. > >Cozy was a great drummer, sorely missed... > > Tom Minsel, Ph.D. Research and Development To be born free is a blessing. Abacus-Direct Corp. To live free is a priviledge. 8774 Yates Dr. To die free is a responsibility. Westminster, CO. 80030 (303) 487-5444 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 6 19:16:01 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:16:01 -0400 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell Message-ID: >Someone on another list posted that BBC reports that Cozy Powell was >killed in a car wreck. Bummer...he was a great one, and hadn't yet made the complete circuit through every hard rock band in existence, though he was well on his way. What's really freaky is that (literally) seconds before checking my mail & discovering this sad news, I went through my small collection of CDs here in my office and nearly picked out 'The Best of Cozy Powell' before finally opting for Alien Planetscapes. Perhaps I knew something?? Keith H. (FAA) Next-up: The Best of Cozy Powell From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Apr 6 23:06:34 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:06:34 +0800 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell Message-ID: >>Someone on another list posted that BBC reports that Cozy Powell was >>killed in a car wreck. > Any confirmation on this? If it is true, the world has lost yet another great drummer. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Apr 6 23:17:21 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:17:21 +0800 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell Message-ID: I just checked elsewhere, and unfortunately it is indeed true. William From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Apr 6 20:16:36 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:16:36 +0100 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell Message-ID: >I just checked elsewhere, and unfortunately it is indeed true. > >William Argh ! I loved the guy :-( As they say, the best always leave first :-(( Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 07:16:09 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:16:09 PDT Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net) proposes thusly... >I think we need to come up with an fake >explanation of what the band has been up to. A storming gig at a speedway in California late 1980's, the final chord of DFtR still echoing aroung the stadium, Buck holding a screaming high note at the tail end of the show's final solo, pointing that guitar neck into the sky....a blinding blue light cuts down from the stars, centred on the stage - green flashes from the stage blind the audience and as rapidly as the light had come...darkness. No band. No gear. Just audience and incredulous silence. Now in 1998, it has transpired that the Blue Oyster Cult were kidnapped by rock'n'roll loving aliens in order that they jam with Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Django Reinhardt, John Bonham, Cozy Powell and Jerry Garcia. Now they have been returned to their earthly existence with the fruits of their tenure in hyperspace.....and the news that Mr. Shirley IS Elvis. Incredibly. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 7 10:00:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:00:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: Actually, BOC must have been abducted before Imaginos, which explains why CBS had to co-opt Al and Sandy's project to release as a BOC album. Then the Old Ones found out and scuppered support for the album--and sales were low--thus limiting the amount of information that might otherwise have been leaked ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 10:47:57 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:47:57 PDT Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson slyly mentioned, whispering lest the outer reaches resound with his exhortations of forbidden knowledge... > Actually, BOC must have been abducted before Imaginos, which >explains why CBS had to co-opt Al and Sandy's project to release as >a BOC album. Then the Old Ones found out and scuppered support for >the album--and sales were low--thus limiting the amount of >information that might otherwise have been leaked ... > >-- I sense a visit from Shub Niggurath, or perchance Yog Sothoth, may result from this dread admission. The Old Ones, that Crawling Chaos, may take steps towards retribution against you for revealing this candid truth to mere mortals in this virtual universe. Perhaps Albert is, in fact, Imaginos and had, by the mid-eighties, broken free from the control of the Old Ones, arranged the alien abduction of 3?C and subsequently recorded and released Imaginos, in order that the truth be told, which would then lead to the Old Ones reaching through the obsidian mirror and pulling the plug onsales of that LP. And with this taken onboard, could it explain Al's continued "interest" in perhaps continuing the Imaginos saga?....... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 7 13:07:35 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:07:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: On tis 7 apr 1998 07.47 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > And with this taken onboard, could it explain Al's continued "interest" > in perhaps continuing the Imaginos saga?....... And when the stars are right ..... ! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Apr 7 14:04:31 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:04:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: You neglected to mention the "Born in East L.A" connection as well....... :-) >Andrew: > >Is that a story for BOC or Spinal Tap? ;-) > >John > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 14:11:33 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:11:33 PDT Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: In a missive from Carl Anderson, the following point arose... >On tis 7 apr 1998 07.47 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" > wrote: >> And with this taken onboard, could it explain Al's continued "interest" >> in perhaps continuing the Imaginos saga?....... > > And when the stars are right ..... > >! > >-- Perhaps this suggests that his master was, in fact, a monster? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 7 20:10:47 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:10:47 PDT Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Message-ID: Hi Kids!! Well, Lil AB is out on Vacation this week so I have decided to come out of retirement once again and fill in his huge clown shoes (you should get some Dr. Shoals AB... WHEW!) :^D It has been said that.... >Apparently a number of music news sources that ingnored > the band the past ten years are now reporting that the > band has "reunited". Well... (and this expounds of > something I put on alt.music.blueoystercult), I think > it is better to let them believe this. There is more > media sympathy for a reunion/comeback than for a band > that never went away but was mostly ignored. So, to > support this, I think we need to come up with an fake > explanation of what the band has been up to. Hence > this: ERIC: After an unsuccesful marriage to the Late Clara Peller, Eric decided to act on a feeling that the road was calling him (a series of strange "gravely" calls during the night) once again. He set out for the Yucatan, only to get lost and end up in Spokane, Washington, working as a late night short order cook at Dennys. He spent a year and a half in a wig and drag, playing the little known 6th Spice Girl, "Hairy Spice". When money for Estrogen shots ran out, he decided to try his hand at that BOC thing again. BUCK and ALLEN: On November 13, Buck Dharma was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his wife. Deep down he knew she was right, but he also knew that one day he would return to her. With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Allen Lanier. Several years earlier, Lanier's wife had thrown HIM out, requesting that he never return. Can two hard rocking BOC members share an apartment, without driving each other crazy? Ok, maybe I took too much sinus medicine tonight. :^D Back to lurk mode... and not a moment too soon.... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 7 04:22:03 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: R.I.P. Cozy Powell In-Reply-To: <009301bd61d3$ae35d840$323e3bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <009301bd61d3$ae35d840$323e3bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >I just checked elsewhere, and unfortunately it is indeed true. > >William As Cozy was holding Peter Green's Splinter Group together, I wonder if this means he'll disappear again, too. I hate cars. -- Jon Browne From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 8 09:18:54 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:18:54 -0400 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... Message-ID: ...are Teletubbies?? We seem to get an odd assortment of British TV programmes over here (in particular a handful of comedies (?) like Chef, Keeping up Appearances, Are you being served?, Rowan Atkinson's various entities, and AbFab on cable), but just what is this thing?? David Letterman did a brief spoof of it last night, and I was at a loss for words. Is it the Spice Girls (minus one) in furry spacesuits, but with slightly more intelligence?? Keith H. (FAA) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Apr 8 09:51:49 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:51:49 +0800 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 9:29 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... >...are Teletubbies?? > >We seem to get an odd assortment of British TV programmes over here (in >particular a handful of comedies (?) like Chef, Keeping up Appearances, Are >you being served?, Rowan Atkinson's various entities, and AbFab on cable), >but just what is this thing?? > >David Letterman did a brief spoof of it last night, and I was at a loss for >words. Is it the Spice Girls (minus one) in furry spacesuits, but with >slightly more intelligence?? > It's a kids show aimed at an even lower age group than The Wombles (possibly even lower than Bill & Ben). Its' a show mainly for very young pre-school children. William From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Apr 8 10:23:50 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:23:50 +0100 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... In-Reply-To: <001401bd62f5$7b09eec0$92433bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, William Duffy wrote: > Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... > > >...are Teletubbies?? > > > It's a kids show aimed at an even lower age group than The Wombles (possibly > even lower than Bill & Ben). Its' a show mainly for very young pre-school > children. > No No! It's essential adult viewing! Teletubbies say "EH-OH!" D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton Town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 8 11:22:27 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Hardman DK wrote: > On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, William Duffy wrote: > > > Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... > > > > >...are Teletubbies?? > > > > > It's a kids show aimed at an even lower age group than The Wombles (possibly > > even lower than Bill & Ben). Its' a show mainly for very young pre-school > > children. > > > > No No! It's essential adult viewing! What he said; like The Magic Roundabout, Teletubbies appears to operate on several levels, not all of them consistent or comprehensible. :-) I only got to see one episode when in Britain during Spring Break, but what I saw was bizarre, baffling, and not a little surreal! Surely the writers are on acid? (Let us hope, anyway.) Btw, I hear Teletubbies are coming to PBS, which is probably why Letterman was doing the skit. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Anthology: SST Years 1985--1989_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Apr 8 12:00:10 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:00:10 +0100 Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Paul Mather wrote: > I only got to see one episode when in Britain during Spring Break, but > what I saw was bizarre, baffling, and not a little surreal! Surely the > writers are on acid? (Let us hope, anyway.) > > Btw, I hear Teletubbies are coming to PBS, which is probably why > Letterman was doing the skit. Hmmm, Teletubbies....Teletubbies.........I'm beginning to get an idea of what BOC might have been doing in the "wilderness years" (see earlier thread). Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From raider at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 8 12:24:07 1998 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:24:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. In-Reply-To: <19980407111609.11014.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >Now in 1998, it has transpired that the Blue Oyster Cult were kidnapped >by rock'n'roll loving aliens in order that they jam with Jimi Hendrix, >Elvis, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Django Reinhardt, John Bonham, Cozy >Powell and Jerry Garcia. you know, oddly enough, 15 years ago, "Weird" Al Yankovic touched on this subject on his MTV show, AL TV. He proved that many of the great rock songs were written by aliens. And he even used BOC's "Don't Fear The Reaper" as proof. If you go to my website, you can hear the proof for yourself. It's in the BOC Sightings category. web address is below. ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos, A Blue Oyster Cult Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Apr 8 12:37:38 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:37:38 EDT Subject: Completely OFF: What the hell... Message-ID: Teletubbies are already on PBS in San Francisco, in Barney's old time slot (the San Jose affiliate opted not to pick them up because it was "too weird"). My daughter is 21 months old and enjoying them. The voices that recur periodically throughout the show (if not the Teletubbies themselves) seem to have been dubbed by Americans. Possibly it was thought the original British voices would be incomprehensible, although for a show designed for one-year-olds this seems an odd concern. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 8 12:46:12 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:46:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: >you know, oddly enough, 15 years ago, "Weird" Al Yankovic touched on this >subject on his MTV show, AL TV. He proved that many of the great rock >songs were written by aliens. This is mentioned in the BOC Faq. John, since you're updating it for the new version with Heaven Forbid being out and all, you're misquoting the bit in the backwards reaper, it doesn't say, "We the aliens", it sais "Ancient Astronauts". Which back then was synonymous with Aliens, but now makes you think of John Glenn. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 8 13:29:56 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:29:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where have they been? Explanation. Message-ID: >This is mentioned in the BOC Faq. John, since you're updating it for the new version with Heaven Forbid being out and all, you're misquoting the bit in the backwards reaper, it doesn't say, "We the aliens", it sais "Ancient Astronauts". Thanks - DONE! Version 3.0 of the FAQ should be out in about another month or 2. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 8 14:49:24 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: This was posted to a USENET group today. Former lead-singer of the Plasmatics, Wendy O. Williams, has apparently committed suicide. One of her bandmates, Richie Stotts once played in a band called King's Flux with tBS guitarist Billy Hilfiger, and Albert also played on a few of tracks with Richie. Also, former temporary BOC bassist Greg Smith also worked with the Plasmatics. Wendy O. Williams, lead singer of Plasmatics, dies April 8, 1998 Web posted at: 1:12 a.m. EDT (0512 GMT) STORRS, Conn. (AP) -- Wendy O. Williams, whose stage theatrics as lead singer of the punk band The Plasmatics included blowing up equipment and chain-sawing guitars, has committed suicide. She was 48. Williams' former manager and longtime companion Rod Swenson said he discovered her body Monday in a wooded area near their home. The state medical examiner said Williams died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Swenson said Williams had been despondent for some time. Williams, dubbed the "queen of shock rock," sported a trademark Mohawk haircut and was nominated in 1985 for a Grammy in the best Female Rock Vocal category during the height of the band's popularity. A native of Webster, N.Y., Williams with her on-stage antics quickly attracted a following for the Plasmatics, who debuted in New York City clubs in 1978. Police in Milwaukee arrested Williams and Swenson in 1981 after she allegedly simulated a sex act in concert at a nightclub. Charges of battery to an officer and obscene conduct against Williams were later dropped and a jury cleared Swenson of obstructing an officer. She was acquitted in April 1981 of an obscenity charge in Cleveland filed for performing covered only with shaving cream and simulating sexual activity. In November of that year, she was sentenced to one year supervision and fined $35 by an Illinois judge for beating a free-lance photographer who tried to take her picture while she was jogging along the Chicago lakefront. The band made several international tours, was once banned in London, and appeared on Tom Snyder's "Tomorrow" show, where they blew up a car in the studio. Swenson said he and Williams moved to Storrs in 1991, three years after the group's last tour. She had not performed for several years and had worked most recently as an animal rehabilitator, he said. She is survived by her mother and two sisters. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 8 15:29:10 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:10 PDT Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug Message-ID: Kids: I like someone's idea of BOC being abducted by Aliens. Some of the "old timers" on the list will remember the story I wrote several years ago where the band is abducted by Klingons and they meet up with Kirk, Spock and company. I know this is a shameless plug but the story *IS* available in it's entirety on my web page. If enough new people are interested in this silly thing, I CAN "rerun" the entire story again if you like in it's original 11 episodes. Just offering my services. ;^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 8 16:13:44 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:13:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide In-Reply-To: <199804081849.OAA11320@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > This was posted to a USENET group today. Former lead-singer of the > Plasmatics, Wendy O. Williams, has apparently committed suicide. One of > her bandmates, Richie Stotts once played in a band called King's Flux > with tBS guitarist Billy Hilfiger, and Albert also played on a few of > tracks with Richie. Also, former temporary BOC bassist Greg Smith also > worked with the Plasmatics. Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer Hawkwind connection, too. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fleetwood Mac, _Greatest Hits_ (the 1971 album, that is!) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 8 17:39:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:39:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: On ons 8 apr 1998 16.13 -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer > Hawkwind connection, too. Weren't Lemmy and Wendy an "item" for a while? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Apr 8 17:21:45 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:21:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:13:44 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, John A Swartz wrote: >> This was posted to a USENET group today. Former lead-singer of the >> Plasmatics, Wendy O. Williams, has apparently committed suicide. >> [...] > >Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer >Hawkwind connection, too. ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who also died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? -Doug ObCD: Joy Division 'Unknown Pleasures' From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 8 19:07:22 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:07:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: On ons 8 apr 1998 14.21 -0700 "Doug Pearson" wrote: >>Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer >>Hawkwind connection, too. > > ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who also > died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? It _is_ the aliens ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 8 18:53:11 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (christian mumford) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:53:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: > On ons 8 apr 1998 14.21 -0700 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > >>Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer > >>Hawkwind connection, too. > > > > ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who also > > died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? > Carl E. Anderson writes: > It _is_ the aliens ... > ....Torgo..? (Anyway, I just saw on the news that George Michael was arrested for "lewd sexual behaviour" in a public lavatory in a park in LA - at first it was reported he was caught having sex with another guy but then they became unclear because the police said they had caught Michael performing the illicit buggery in question by HIMSELF.) Christian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 8 19:18:06 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:18:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: >Wendy O. Williams, lead singer of Plasmatics, dies So in the last week, we've lost... Colin Powell, who went by Cozy knowing someday there'd be another famous Colin Powell Tammy Wynette Wendy O. Williams Rob Pilatus, who although was not a singer/musician, he did appear on an album cover What an eclectic group of people from the music biz. Wonder who's next?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I can get three of four connections to Hawkwind, but what about Milli Vanilli?? Cozy Powell->Robert Plant->Led Zeppelin->Yardbirds->Cream->Hawkwind Tammy Wynette->Wendy O. Williams & Lemmy->Hawkwind Wendy O. Williams & Lemmy->Hawkwind From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Apr 8 21:41:29 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:41:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > >Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer > >Hawkwind connection, too. > > ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who also > died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? i wonder if tammy was wendy's Elvis? think she couldn't deal with the loss of "the first lady of country?" and how do the teletubbies fit into all this? hmmm... rj From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Apr 9 12:11:24 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:11:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: This *is* true! I thought you guys were making this up! Here's the official link to prove it! http://lonestar.texas.net/~triske/plasmatics/wowdisco.html Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On ons 8 apr 1998 14.21 -0700 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > >>Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer > >>Hawkwind connection, too. > > > > ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who also > > died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? > > It _is_ the aliens ... > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 9 03:19:08 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:19:08 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: Hi, it's Charlie back with the latest snatch of Griffin CDs. The only one on hold is Stonehenge for Scott Heller. The rest are up for grabs. This is what I have: (-) --indicates # of copies Undisclosed Files (1) Mighty HW Classics (2) Out & Intake (2) Stonehenge (2) (not including Scott's copy) Chronicle of the BS (2) All were 5 dollars each, except the Mighty's, which were 3. If you don't want to send cash, give me a list and maybe I'll take some tapes (or a CD/LP trade). And I did leave a few copies of each of these titles, so if these dry up, there are always more... (Plus several copies of the Man album are still there.) Charlie From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 05:15:24 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:15:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > >> This was posted to a USENET group today. Former lead-singer of the > >> Plasmatics, Wendy O. Williams, has apparently committed suicide. > >> [...] > >Wendy O. Williams did a recorded duet with Lemmy, so there's yer > >Hawkwind connection, too. > ... which was a cover of "Stand By Your Man", by Tammy Wynette, who > also died yesterday! Pretty creepy, huh? It's a UN Konspiracy I tell ya! > -Doug FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 07:24:10 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:24:10 +0000 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS Message-ID: Does anyone remember whether the Griffin and Dojo _CotBS_ CDs were the same? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 06:32:10 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:32:10 +0100 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:24:10 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Does anyone remember whether the Griffin and Dojo _CotBS_ CDs were > the same? They had the same extra tracks. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 08:39:05 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:39:05 +0000 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 11.32 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: >> Does anyone remember whether the Griffin and Dojo _CotBS_ CDs were >> the same? > > They had the same extra tracks. Ta. I suppose the chief difference was in the packaging? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 9 07:36:00 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:36:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: >>Wendy O. Williams, lead singer of Plasmatics, dies > >So in the last week, we've lost... > >Colin Powell, who went by Cozy knowing someday there'd be another famous >Colin Powell >Tammy Wynette >Wendy O. Williams >Rob Pilatus, who although was not a singer/musician, he did appear on an >album cover I heard one radio station calling it "the week the music died".... hrmmmm +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 9 07:36:23 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:36:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: >Stonehenge (2) Dibs! (If I'm not too late).... will send cash, if I'm not, and you send me address.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 9 08:24:42 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:24:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide In-Reply-To: <199804082301.BAA22025@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804082301.BAA22025 at online.no>, christian mumford writes >(Anyway, I just saw on the news that George Michael was arrested for "lewd >sexual behaviour" in a public lavatory in a park in LA - at first it was >reported he was caught having sex with another guy but then they became >unclear because the police said they had caught Michael performing the >illicit buggery in question by HIMSELF.) > >Christian The guy was just having a quick wank by himself, in a lav. I think the cops watching him are wierder myself. -- Jon From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 9 07:50:19 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:50:19 -0400 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS Message-ID: > Does anyone remember whether the Griffin and Dojo _CotBS_ CDs were >the same? The extra songs on the end are different, I believe. Hang on, from the Codex, versions of CotBS: * Comments: * Flicknife CD also has "Arioch", "Assault & Battery" (Live), * and "Sleep of A Thousand Tears" (live). * Dojo CD also has "The War I Survived (live)" and * "Voice Inside My Head (live)". * Griffin CD also has "Arioch", "The War I Survived (live)", * and "Voice Inside My Head (live)". So the difference is "Arioch". +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 9 08:57:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:57:43 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Trepanation in SPIN Mag. Message-ID: The latest issue (May '98) of SPIN magazine (a magazine that makes me feel like a real old fart and wonder about what this world is coming to, with some of the crap that's in there - I got a free subscription to it awhile back - think I'll save it in case I ever run out of toilet paper) has an article on Trepanation - no, not the Brain Surgeons sophomore CD release, but the actual act. Complete with a gory picture or two. I haven't read the article yet. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 10:49:37 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:49:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 03.19 +0000 Chuckrecs wrote: > Chronicle of the BS (2) > > All were 5 dollars each, I'd like one of these! I can send a check in US dollars drawn on a US bank, if that's all right. (And would have the CD sent to a US address for me). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 9 10:38:30 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:38:30 +0200 Subject: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: > >unclear because the police said they had caught Michael performing the > >illicit buggery in question by HIMSELF.) > > > The guy was just having a quick wank by himself, in a lav. I think the > cops watching him are wierder myself. > -- > Jon Well, its what I thought was very bizarre. Arrest the guy for *what*?? Maybe he was supposed to meet the Milli Vanilli guy for a date and he didn't show up cause he was dead (Stand By Your Man?) (sorry, I am a crude and shallow person and I just wrote something in poor taste again) Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 9 09:54:36 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:54:36 -0400 Subject: tBS: All things relative Message-ID: If it's not prying, I just wanted to know which Bouchard is related to which Bouchard in which way, specifically, names we've seen on various Brain Surgeons albums: Jacob Bouchard Ace Bouchard and ditto for the Hilfigers, though I can't even remember how many of them there are... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 12:26:02 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:26:02 +0100 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:39:05 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On tor 9 apr 1998 11.32 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > >> Does anyone remember whether the Griffin and Dojo _CotBS_ CDs were > >> the same? > > > > They had the same extra tracks. > > Ta. I suppose the chief difference was in the packaging? I think so though the details escape me now. Note that the Flicknife CD had different extra tracks. > Carl Edlund Anderson FoFP From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Apr 9 12:31:06 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:31:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug In-Reply-To: <19980408192910.9180.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Torgo Sedler" at Apr 8, 98 12:29:10 pm Message-ID: Torgo Sedler writes: > > Kids: > > I like someone's idea of BOC being abducted by Aliens. So, when did Eric change his name from "Cartman"? Steve From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 9 12:43:03 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:43:03 -0400 Subject: was OFF: Wendy O. Williams Message-ID: Christian sayz... >> The guy was just having a quick wank by himself, in a lav. I think the >> cops watching him are wierder myself. >> -- >> Jon > >Well, its what I thought was very bizarre. Arrest the guy for *what*?? It's the Pee Wee Herman offense, apparently. >Maybe he was supposed to meet the Milli Vanilli guy for a date and he >didn't show up cause he was dead (Stand By Your Man?) Actually, I've heard a rumour that perhaps Pilatus isn't really dead, but rather he had someone else die in his place. (That's too easy, isn't it?) >(sorry, I am a crude and shallow person and I just wrote something in poor >taste again) I guess I am too...I didn't see anything you said as being in poor taste. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. The 'Tubbytronic Superdome' (??) is in Stratford-upon-Avon??? Did they dig up Shakespeare to install this thing?? P.P.S. Anybody have anything on-topic to discuss? Looks like we ran out of new-BOC steam for the moment. I saw that Purple Pyramid is releasing some new compilations soon, a Nektar one and an Ashra Tempel one. Plus, a tribute album to Neu! (Dunno who's covering the tracks; plus, Neu! only put out three albums (in the 70s), so they could potentially do a 'tribute' to nearly their entire repertoire.) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 13:51:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:51:21 +0000 Subject: Griffin/Dojo CotBS Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 17.26 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > I think so though the details escape me now. Note that the Flicknife CD > had different extra tracks. Well, apparently so did the Dojo and Griffin. What the hell, I'll see if I can pick on up. You can never have too many HW CDs, especially at 5 bucks a pop! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 9 11:55:07 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:55:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug Message-ID: >Torgo Sedler writes: >> >> Kids: >> >> I like someone's idea of BOC being abducted by Aliens. > >So, when did Eric change his name from "Cartman"? Okay, so that means we need a 1-1 correspondence: s. park boc note-connection Cartman - Bloom both named eric kyle - Albert well, to go w/ Spike/Joe (see below) stan - Buck he's the most talented one spike - Joe Kyle's kid brother/Albert's kid brother kenny - Allen never speaks intelligibly/almost never sings +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 14:04:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:04:59 +0000 Subject: was OFF: Wendy O. Williams Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 12.43 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: >>Well, its what I thought was very bizarre. Arrest the guy for *what*?? > > It's the Pee Wee Herman offense, apparently. It certainly _ought_ to be an offense to be Pee Wee Herman ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 14:07:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:07:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 12.43 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > P.P.S. Anybody have anything on-topic to discuss? Looks like we ran out of > new-BOC steam for the moment. Well, I thought of something for random discussion. Now that the BOC corpus is newly topped up, what do people think BOC's most disturbing/weird/plain screwed up song lyrics are? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Apr 9 13:27:16 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:27:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug Message-ID: Oh my god! They killed Allen!! You bastards!!! > Okay, so that means we need a 1-1 correspondence: > > s. park boc note-connection > > Cartman - Bloom both named eric > kyle - Albert well, to go w/ Spike/Joe (see below) > stan - Buck he's the most talented one > spike - Joe Kyle's kid brother/Albert's kid brother > kenny - Allen never speaks intelligibly/almost never sings > > > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 9 13:29:08 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:29:08 -0400 Subject: tBS: All things relative Message-ID: >If it's not prying, I just wanted to know which Bouchard is related to which Bouchard in which way, specifically, names we've seen on various Brain Surgeons albums: Well, I should defer to Albert on this, but as he hasn't posted much lately (too busy working on tBS 5 I hope): Ace Bouchard - Al and Deb's son - think he's around 8 or 9 now. Jacob Bouchard - Albert's son, I believe from a previous marriage. I think he's around 18 or so now -- not sure about this one. Joe Bouchard - I think you know this one... ;-) I don't know how many Hilfigers their are, but I believe that Andy (bass player for X Brothers) is Billy's brother, and also fashion designer Tommy's brother. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 13:42:46 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:42:46 +0100 Subject: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? In-Reply-To: <981234.3101134068@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Well, I thought of something for random discussion. > > Now that the BOC corpus is newly topped up, what do people think > BOC's most disturbing/weird/plain screwed up song lyrics are? "We're BOC - you can be whatever you wanna be You got the power, we got the key We're BOC...." ;-) ZZzzzzzz Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 9 13:43:49 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:43:49 +0200 Subject: was OFF: Wendy O. Williams Message-ID: > It's the Pee Wee Herman offense, apparently. So now George Michael will have to play vampire in a B-movie too... > Actually, I've heard a rumour that perhaps Pilatus isn't really dead, but > rather he had someone else die in his place. (That's too easy, isn't it?) Pilatus had a date with 2Pac and stood Michael up. > P.P.S. Anybody have anything on-topic to discuss? Looks like we ran out of > new-BOC steam for the moment. I saw that Purple Pyramid is releasing some Accursed archeologists... Christian From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Apr 9 13:56:41 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:56:41 -0400 Subject: HW-t shirt In-Reply-To: <3527558F.1A77A623@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Dan Witt wrote: > > I am very bummed they didn't have them anymore, I've been dying to get one > > since the beginning of time! (Anyone know of any places that have them??) > > > > > You can get a really cool Hawkwind glow in the dark "hawkshield" from > Jim's Strange DAze '98 site. On the back are the 97 us tour dates. It > is the coolest HW shirt I've ever seen. He's selling them for $20.00. > A n absolute steal. No idea how many he has left. whats the url? wal From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 15:32:32 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:32:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 11.55 -0400 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > spike - Joe Kyle's kid brother/Albert's kid brother Surely Ike, rather than Spike? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 9 15:36:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:36:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? Message-ID: On tor 9 apr 1998 18.42 +0100 "Hardman DK" wrote: > "We're BOC - you can be whatever you wanna be > You got the power, we got the key > We're BOC...." ;-) I knew I should have mentioned I was thinking of "disturbing" _not_ in the sense of "It disturbs me that anyone could make such crap lyrics?" ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Apr 9 15:59:52 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:59:52 -0700 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720A@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Fortunately for us, he came back as a Zombie :) On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Hall, Russell J wrote: > Oh my god! They killed Allen!! You bastards!!! > > > Okay, so that means we need a 1-1 correspondence: > > > > s. park boc note-connection > > > > Cartman - Bloom both named eric > > kyle - Albert well, to go w/ Spike/Joe (see below) > > stan - Buck he's the most talented one > > spike - Joe Kyle's kid brother/Albert's kid brother > > kenny - Allen never speaks intelligibly/almost never sings > > > > > > > -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Apr 9 18:53:57 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:53:57 -0400 Subject: HW-t shirt Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > whats the url? www.now-online/jmfinity jmfinity at now-online.com 216-252-6148 jim lasko rj > wal From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Apr 9 21:10:27 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:10:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Shameless Plug In-Reply-To: <56284.3101139152@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Apr 9, 98 07:32:32 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On tor 9 apr 1998 11.55 -0400 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > > spike - Joe Kyle's kid brother/Albert's kid brother > > Surely Ike, rather than Spike? "Kick the bassist!" Steve > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 9 21:16:42 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:16:42 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin/Here's the deal Message-ID: In order of e-mails received, this is what I have: Olivier--Stonehenge Bill--Intake, Mighty HWC Andrew--Stonehenge Mark--Intake, and yes, this is the Do Not Panic version, which I'm all out of, so you wouldn't have wanted it anyway. Carl--Chronicle Paul--Undisclosed F. (out of the others you requested), uh...sorry, I don't recall which Man album it is, but I'm sure it's a '90s release, maybe around '94 or so. So, knowing this and that it's on Griffin, you might be able to deduct. Anna--Mighty HWC Bob-Chronicles Okay. I'll get back to you all privately this weekend, and we'll discuss deals. Looks like I'll have to go back and get the rest soon! They went fast. Charlie From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 9 23:50:33 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:50:33 EDT Subject: Wendy O. Williams, Dead by Suicide Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-09 10:42:09 EDT, you write: << (sorry, I am a crude and shallow person and I just wrote something in poor taste again) Christian >> But, Christian, that's why we love ya! :-) SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 10 06:11:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:11:53 +0100 Subject: was OFF: Wendy O. Williams In-Reply-To: <971056.3101133899@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <971056.3101133899 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > It certainly _ought_ to be an offense to be Pee Wee Herman ;) > >-- You cannnot possibly mean this. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 10 10:29:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:29:09 +0000 Subject: was OFF: Wendy O. Williams Message-ID: On fre 10 apr 1998 11.11 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <971056.3101133899 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson > writes >> It certainly _ought_ to be an offense to be Pee Wee Herman ;) > > You cannnot possibly mean this. I do! :) No matter how often people tell me that I clearly have missed out, I was terminally annoyed as a child by the various Pee Wee Herman shows and movies and stand by rabid dislike of the character, at least. My approval rating on the actor went up a lot after his arrest, cause it meant I wouldn't have to see that damn character anymore :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 10 10:19:08 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:19:08 EDT Subject: HM! In-Reply-To: <226145.3101207349@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: So there I was setting up last night for my usual gig, when what do I hear over the house system? Harvest Moon! I rushed to the jukebox, but that wasn't it. Some dude had slipped the bartender a tape with HM on it. I didn't catch the guy's name. I was about to go on, so I told him we'd hook up later, but after the gig he was gone. I think he might have been a bullshit artist--said he was in regular email communication with BD. But he was aware of tBS as well. So there is a flicker of hope out ion the wilderness. I wish I could have seen the look on my face when I heard HM come on! theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Apr 10 11:44:54 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:44:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: PeeWee (was OFF: Wendy O. Williams) Message-ID: PeeWee's Big Adventure is a great flick! Tim Burton's first and last masterpiece- Christian > > On fre 10 apr 1998 11.11 +0100 "Jon Browne" > wrote: > > In article <971056.3101133899 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson > > writes > >> It certainly _ought_ to be an offense to be Pee Wee Herman ;) > > > > You cannnot possibly mean this. > > I do! :) No matter how often people tell me that I clearly have > missed out, I was terminally annoyed as a child by the various Pee Wee > Herman shows and movies and stand by rabid dislike of the character, at > least. > > My approval rating on the actor went up a lot after his arrest, cause > it meant I wouldn't have to see that damn character anymore :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Apr 10 12:22:38 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:22:38 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: hey hey! just visited jim's srange daze page, pretty cool (but no HW tee's left :~( anyway, so who's going to SD98? anyone from MA that may be upto giving lifts? ;) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Apr 10 13:27:03 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:27:03 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 98? Message-ID: Forgive my ignorance, but where is Strange Days 98 being held, and who will be there? From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Apr 10 14:03:20 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:03:20 -0700 Subject: Strange Daze 98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, I won't be in MA, but I will definitely be flying in from AZ! Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Walrus > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 9:23 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Strange Daze 98 > > > hey hey! > > just visited jim's srange daze page, pretty cool (but no HW tee's left :~( > > anyway, so who's going to SD98? anyone from MA that may be upto giving > lifts? ;) > > wal From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 10 15:33:20 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:33:20 PDT Subject: Strange Daze 98 Message-ID: >just visited jim's srange daze page, pretty cool (but no HW tee's left :~( > >anyway, so who's going to SD98? anyone from MA that may be upto giving >lifts? ;) > >wal That's me. I'm absolutely DETERMINED to go after having attempted to do it last year by bus and finally having to give up hope when I was only 40 miles away in Jamestown. Anyway, I'll be driving if I buy my brother's car, which depends on if I decide I can pay the insurance, I could just keep it off the road until Aug. ... otherwise ... it is possible to get there by bus, though it takes longer and you ought to give yourself an extra day to deal with Jamestown (If i started to tell you the stuff that happened there last time you wouldn't believe me), and it will probably cost $120+ round trip. boston - buffalo: ~$89 rnd trip buffalo - jamestown:~$23 rnd trip jamestown - sherman: ~???* *cab fare is $25 to $30, and there is a regular bus for $6 which doesn't seem to exist, but if you call their chamber of commerce they'll tell you otherwise. You could also hitchhike or even walk, though it would take about 13 hrs. Biking from Jamestown or Buffalo (70-80 mi) is also a possibility; its probably what i'll do myself if I cant get a car. I don't think they'd have a problem with you bringing one in the bus. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 10 16:53:14 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:53:14 PDT Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) Message-ID: [] On Wednesday, February 11, 1998 10:31 AM, LN1GJT [] [SMTP:Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM] wrote: [] [] >> Nik re-surfaced at the Christmas 1981 gig [] >> at the Rainbow Theatre, London. [] [...] [] >> Calvert and Moorcock had a punch-up after the [] >> gig. (Probably due to musical differences, and [] >>(of course) nothing to do with the fact that [] >> one of their wives ditched one for the other, [] >> or so the rumours go - allegedly(again)!) [] [] [] Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:39:29 -0000 [] From: Andy Gilham [] [] >Jill Riches, MM's second wife, did marry Bob in [] >the early 80's, which seems [] >like a fair excuse for fisticuffs to me :) Who won? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Apr 10 17:02:44 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:02:44 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 98? Message-ID: HAL, visit www.now-online.com/jmfinity for the low-down. it is being held in the south-west most corner of NY state, outside a town called Sherman, at Brushwood lake. Looks like bedouin,Nik, and hw, plus a slew of US spacerockers really cool last year, probably better this year. rj Hall, Russell J wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance, but where is Strange Days 98 being held, and who > will be there? From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 10 18:01:55 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:01:55 GMT Subject: HW: Bob sings, Nik sings (was: Your captain is dead, part 2) In-Reply-To: <19980410205314.22786.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:53:14 PDT, you sent through the ether: >Who won? My money would be on Bob in a fight.. I`ve seen him angry it`s a frightening thing! -Steve From IMPaine at AOL.COM Fri Apr 10 19:41:48 1998 From: IMPaine at AOL.COM (IMPaine) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:41:48 EDT Subject: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? Message-ID: I'd have to say its the Career of Evil, "I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road....." Didn't bother me until my daughter was born. Mr. Janus, your limo is here.... From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Apr 10 19:44:43 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:44:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Nikki Sudden Message-ID: Hello, Apparently Nikki Sudden of Swell Maps fame is doing gigs in the U.S..... well, dont know about you bunch, but i'm truly inspired... anyhow,,,he is playing Philadelphia 4/23/98 at Nicks dont know if and where else he (they?) are playing.... gosh! April is turning into a fine month for live gigs bob From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Apr 10 21:23:04 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:23:04 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: Andrew-- Okay, Stonehenge is your's. $5.99, 50 cents tax, 3 dollars S&H, 50 cents for gas money, that's $10 total. That okay? address: 119 Nanette St., Redlands, Ca. 92373 USA check, cash, MO okay. send your addy and I'll have it to you asap. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Apr 10 21:28:31 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:28:31 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin CDs--Whoops! Message-ID: I'm sorry, what I said initially is still true: The CDs I got that I said were 5 ARE 5, not 6! And the CDs that I said were 3 ARE 3, not 4! So adjust the quotes I've given you accordingly. Charlie From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 11 01:57:27 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:57:27 EDT Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: Carl--Chronicle is your's. That's 5 bucks, 50 cents tax, 3 bucks S&H and I'm charging everyone 50 cents extra for gas money. So that would be nine dollars. Okay with you? My address is: 119 Nanette St., Redlands, Ca. 92373 USA Send me your's and I'll get it out their asap. Chuck From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Apr 11 03:39:30 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 02:39:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Chrome & Bevis Message-ID: Just a reminder Chrome and Bevis Frond are both playing at 1st Avenue tonight in Minneapolis. Anybody else here going? -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 11 09:38:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:38:13 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock in the NME Message-ID: The letter of the week in this weeks NME is from Mike Moorcock, railing against Tony Blair. As I said on the Moorcock list, I'm too busy to write it up, but someone will have to do it for our US cousins. I'll try to find a moment if no-one else does. The ugly bloke on page 11 is my kid brother! (He doesn't look anything like that. Really!) -- Jon From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Apr 11 11:20:34 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:20:34 +1000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: People, Just as a matter of discussion and interest, and I address this to verteran Hawkfans, can any of you ever remember a point in the band's illustrious history when you thought they were finished as a good band, but later they gained your loyalties back? By virtue of you being on this list I assume you are still a Hawkfan. : ) Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 11 10:14:45 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:14:45 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock writes In-Reply-To: <199711181140.LAA27717@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: OK OK here's that letter in full: ______________________________________________________________________ Congratuations on a great issue (March 14). NME's getting back to its best old self again. Let's have some more of it. Makes me proud to be British. Don't make it easier for Tony Blair than he has it. His future is already with us in Texas. What he borrows from the US is paternalistic, almost all dreadful. People here try to warn him, but Tony's a natural Yankee. Pious, narrow, self-important, knows what's best for us. It probably makes him feel wonderfully effective. I'm living in a self-proclaimed Christian country that daily and increasingly sees the cruel results of all that happy corporate common sense. Here, my wife and I are involved with organizations dealing with immediate daily needs - like starvation. PC is the only public speech allowed and it makes them even dumber. PC doesn't allow anger. It might upset someone. Contray to flashy shows likek ER, hospitals are often disgusting by British notions, with poor standards. They have no shame. What people see as the problem of the NHS is, in fact, worse here - you pay a lot to be condescended to, lied to and frequently misdiagnosed. I can get my teeth done cheaper in Harley Street than in our local small town. I've seen people in excruciating agony, turned away from local hospitals while the doctors are off golfing. As an American doctor said recdently - a business can't be a service. Rural poverty, by no means predominately black, is obscene for a democracy which bases so much of it's rhetoric on human rights. The welfare figures are constantly doctored a la Mussolini, to show "positive" gains. Please don't let it happen in Britain. Tony's leading a fairly subtle conquest of our most important public institutions and needs some tough, subtle resistance, as well as direct confrontation, which the rock world can be very good at. We can still turn the bastards back. Keep singing. Keep shouting, pards. Stay in the real world. And thanks for helping an old man feel he's not alone. Hasta La Vista, Amigos Mike Moorcock, Bastrop, Texas. ______________________________________________________________________ -- Jon Browne From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 11 11:06:56 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:06:56 +0200 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > People, > > Just as a matter of discussion and interest, and I address this to > verteran Hawkfans, can any of you ever remember a point in the band's > illustrious history when you thought they were finished as a good band, but > later they gained your loyalties back? IMO they are teetering damn close RIGHT NOW as a matter of fact. Distant Horizons was an instantly likable (though very patchy) effort but without much lasting appeal (IMO) and probably the "least HW" in awhile. Brock is retreating more and more to the side in an almost all-new band where drummer Chadwick is the (!) longest standing member next to Brock (ok, but 10 years is like a split second in the career of the Hawks and Brock's 30 year unbroken stint :) Let me backtrack abit... I had a similar feeling around It Is The Business... I hate that album less now, it has grown ever so little on me in the light of retrospect - at the time it was a BIG letdown for me on the heels of the magnificent Electric Teepee, probably because it was more an ambient album. But then Biz Trip restored my faith. Then I got Psychedelic Warriors which I thought was twice as boring as It Is The Business... Then Alien 4 came out and... I did not like it very much, even with new blood and some rockier stuff I thought things were going off the rails for the band as a creative unit (tho I had faith as I'd seen HW w/Bastard same year (95) and it was an extremely energetic show if nothing else). Then the ensuing Love In Space live album gave me more of the material I didn't like from A4 and I still never play the damn thing, I think it is an extremely bland sound they had cultivated during this period. Finally Distant Horizons came out, with a seriously rockin guitarist. Expectations were high - the album hit - bang! wow! This ROCKS! Well, some songs really do... but...? It has little unity, no real "band feel" IMO, and I also sort of wonder... where are the *songs*... we get to *buy* that crap song Love In Space AGAIN?? You gotta be kidding. I've already bought enough sneaky recycled versions of of old songs from Brock & co, and that's ok I guess, but in the case of LiS the expiry date was instant. The best/possibly wishfully realistic thing to happen would for Bainbridge to make his return. He was one of the main driving forces creatively, twin engine with Brock (now falling asleep back there), with Davey, Huw & various drummers in tow, during his 10 year stint... I think Bainbridge would be the man to bring the band "back" from its stop-go creative halflife/endless recycling these days. Because this time it looks worse than ever - including Griffin shutting down, EBS/hawkwind.com seemingly vanishing etc. And that grotesquely cheap DH cover art :) Christian > By virtue of you being on this list I assume you are still a Hawkfan. : ) > > Troy > > > > =========================================== > Troy Harris > > fiskare at webconcept.com.au > > > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 11 11:08:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:08:01 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <199804111520.BAA21991@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199804111520.BAA21991 at shell-01.webconcept.com.au>, Troy Harris writes > People, > > Just as a matter of discussion and interest, and I address this to >verteran Hawkfans, can any of you ever remember a point in the band's >illustrious history when you thought they were finished as a good band, but >later they gained your loyalties back? Not as such, but I lost interest completely in about 1988 or so. That was me more than the band, though. When did Ridicule come out? That was it for me for a while. I didn't buy Electric Tepee until it had been out nearly a year. Even then, I didn't get *right* back into "fandom" until probably 5 years ago. I completely missed out on the Brigette Wishhart period. But like I said, that was me, not the band as such. > By virtue of you being on this list I assume you are still a Hawkfan. : ) But of course. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 11 11:49:33 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:49:33 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <199804111511.RAA17421@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804111511.RAA17421 at online.no>, reset writes What you say here, Chris, could be seen as harsh coming during the first quiet period the band have had in a few years. The tours, the incessant releases of new stuff, spin-offs and excellant archive material. The only thing is, I agree with every word you said. Losing Alan was a big mistake. What's sadder is, its the same old mistake, too. They'll probably pick up again before too long, but then again they'll have to fade away at some stage. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 11 13:08:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:08:56 +0000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: HW's current anemia is highlighted by comparison with Motorhead, who are arguably operating at their peak these days. There are not a lot of surprises from Lemmy & Co. musically, but they are consistently turning out arse-kicking rock and roll without much fucking about. HW's recent albums, while they certainly have some moments of brilliance, have plenty of crap too (and no shortage of fucking about ;) As usual, we need only compare DH and HotMG for a few moments before we may justly ask "Where has Dave's guitar gone?" Some of Brock's pieces are dangerouly closer to space-whinge than space-rock. In fact, IMO, Brock's contributions to DH were the most forgetable pieces of the album. Ah well. At least HW've released more than one album in the past 15 years :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Apr 12 23:26:21 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:26:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffin stuff FS Message-ID: >Andrew-- > >Okay, Stonehenge is your's. $5.99, 50 cents tax, 3 dollars S&H, 50 cents for >gas money, that's $10 total. That okay? Okay, going out Monday, money order for $10.00... >send your addy and I'll have it to you asap. address Andrew Apold 4580 Amherst Circle #82 West Palm Beach, FL 33417 =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater = Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Apr 12 23:28:16 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:28:16 -0400 Subject: ack! Message-ID: Didn't mean to send out my home address to the entire list, sorry. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater = Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Apr 13 13:11:05 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:11:05 -0700 Subject: Porcupine Tree/No Man info sought Message-ID: OK, I've finally had a chance to trawl through my Porcupine Tree/No Man collection and can heartily recommend the following: No-Man - Dry Cleaning Ray (3rd Stone 1997) No-Man - Lovesighs An Entertainment (One Little Indian 1991) Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine Live In Rome (Delerium 1997) Richard Barbieri/Tim Bowness - Flame (One Little Indian 1994) - Tim being No-Man vocalist, Richard ex-Japan, sometimes Porcupine Tree keys No-Man - Flowermouth (One Little Indian 1994) Steven Wilson, PT mainman has just had an album released called "Bass Communion" - an album of music without rhythm (?) through 3rd Stone. There's another related website http://www.adasam.demon.co.uk Too much information? Perhaps. Try some of it. You may be surprised. Zeit > Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone have a Steve Wilson/No Man (is that right?)/PTree discography? > > Zeit replied:Your wishes will be fulfilled through http://www.collective.co.uk/ > where the No Man web can be accessed with a discography replete with audio clips is located. > > Zeit From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 05:50:43 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:50:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs In-Reply-To: Stuart Hamilton's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:11:05 -0700 Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton writes: > OK, > > I've finally had a chance to trawl through my Porcupine Tree/No Man > collection and can heartily recommend the following: Any idea where I can get hold of Indigo Falls or which label it's on or whether that's the name of the band or the album??? yrs off topically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 05:53:05 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:53:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: R.I.P. Cozy Powell In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:03 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > As Cozy was holding Peter Green's Splinter Group together, I wonder if > this means he'll disappear again, too. This is the Peter Green who is supposed to be the ex Fleetwood Mac Peter Green? I'm told he isn't - it's a scam. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Apr 13 07:21:16 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:21:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: The real Peter Green (Re: R.I.P. Cozy Powell) Message-ID: > > Jon Browne writes: > > > As Cozy was holding Peter Green's Splinter Group together, I wonder if > > this means he'll disappear again, too. > > This is the Peter Green who is supposed to be the ex Fleetwood Mac Peter > Green? > > I'm told he isn't - it's a scam. No! Not this time... it's NOT a scam. In the late 70s or early 80s someone *was* posing as Green, and even fooled record companies and music papers for a short while (never recorded tho!). Around this time the REAL Peter Green flipped out with a shotgun somewhere, and was put away. Appearantly he was pretty crazy for many years, even refusing royalty checks (and living in poverty) but now the "real" Peter Green from the "real" Fleetwood Mac lineup walks among us again, with his mind somewhat intact. He had to relearn music from scratch from not playing for over 20 years. Christian > jill > > ========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 08:31:07 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: The real Peter Green (Re: R.I.P. Cozy Powell) In-Reply-To: reset's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:21:16 +0200 Message-ID: reset writes: > living in poverty) but now the "real" Peter Green from the "real" Fleetwood > Mac lineup walks among us again, with his mind somewhat intact. He had to > relearn music from scratch from not playing for over 20 years. Thanks - I'm glad to have that confirmation. I tried to argue this was the case but the person I was talking to was so adamant that I was wrong that I had to concede. I can tell him otherwise now! jill obcurses> Not buying the CD I saw by the Splinter Group because of this. 8-( Back to the shops... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 13 09:47:47 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:47:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? Message-ID: I have to agree that Career of Evil is one of the most disturbing B.O.C songs (I guess that is why I love it). It is disturbing to me not just for the "dirt road" line; it is because of the complete and systematic destruction of another living soul. 1) The singer starts by stealing all the expensive/precious things the guy owns (Emerald Horny Toad, etc.). 2) Then the guy is made to feel emasculated because he cannot protect or provide for his family (Do It To Your Daughter) and (I'll Keep You Sheep). 3) Of course, the singer isn't through yet. He exposes the guy completely (Steal The Mask Your Wearing), he has no privacy at all - not even able to appear stoic in front of his peers. 4) Finally, distraught over all that has befallen him, he can't even escape into the peace of sleep because the singer haunts his dreams (Rob You of Your Sleep). This is not you average bad guy - thief/rapist. He is EVIL, through and through. > ---------- > From: IMPaine[SMTP:IMPaine at AOL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 7:41PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Most disturbing lyrics? > > I'd have to say its the Career of Evil, > "I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road....." > > > Didn't bother me until my daughter was born. > > Mr. Janus, your limo is here.... > From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 13 10:12:19 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:12:19 -0700 Subject: Ghost in the House Message-ID: Everybody's leading but nobody's dancing. Greetings all back from my recent vacation. What happened to all the HF gabbing? You can't be tired of it yet can you? Cozy Powell is dead? Oh man thats terrible. Going to have to spin some live Kill the King (Rainbow) in tribute. Cozy was an incredible drummer. Recently he was supposed to play Jaxx with Yngwie Malmsteen. Damn this is sad. BOC kidnapped by aliens? Not likely as BOC are aliens, didn't you guys know this? Anyway gotta get caught up at work. C'ya Ghost in the Ruins Five in the player - Savatage - Wake of Magellan Savatage - Live in Japan Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane Gary Hoey - Hocus Pocus Live BOC - Heaven Forbid From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 13 10:46:45 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:46:45 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: I am a very new fan to Hawkwind so pardon any faux paus's. Picking up my first album several months ago (Choose Your Masks); then picking up up a few others (Space Is Deep & Levatation). I was just curious if the hard core Hawkfan liked C.Y. Masques and how this line up compares (quality-wise) to the earlier ones mentioned). From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Apr 13 11:09:40 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:09:40 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720D@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco. com> Message-ID: At 10:46 13/04/98 -0400, Hall, Russell J wrote: >I was just curious if the hard core Hawkfan liked C.Y. Masques and how >this line up compares (quality-wise) to the earlier ones mentioned). Hawkfans disagree about everything ;-). But for me, CYM was when I gave up on Hawkwind in the 80's. I still saw them at Stonehenge, but I gave up buying the albums. It had a couple of great songs, but I felt that it didn't hang together overall, and some bits (e.g. Silver Machine, Utopia) really sucked. My tastes in music were changing too. I got back into HW in the early 90s, with Electric Teepee and Palace Springs. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Mon Apr 13 12:15:06 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:15:06 +0200 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720D@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: In message ID <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720D at EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> on 13/04/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: ))I am a very new fan to Hawkwind so pardon any faux paus's. Picking up my ))first album several months ago (Choose Your Masks); then picking up up a ))few others (Space Is Deep & Levatation). )) ))I was just curious if the hard core Hawkfan liked C.Y. Masques and how ))this line up compares (quality-wise) to the earlier ones mentioned). Hard Core ? You should listen to earlier records ! Xinsearchofspace, Warriors, DoremiI, Hall of the Mountain Grill, etcIare speed metal in comparison with C.Y.M. Better forget the compilations, a band like HW made real concept albums, excerpts from compilations may be interesting if you liked the studio versions firstI! Olivier -- via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 12:21:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:21:48 +0000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: On m?n 13 apr 1998 10.46 -0400 "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > I was just curious if the hard core Hawkfan liked C.Y. Masques and how > this line up compares (quality-wise) to the earlier ones mentioned). I don't know how hard-core a Hawkfan I am, but I'm not particularly impressed with CYM. It has a few redeeming moments, IMO, but it can't touch the might early 70s albums! :) I also like early 90s HW fairly well. _Palace Springs_ is a marvelous album. I like the CotBS era as well, in an unabashedly schlock kind of way. Most periods of HW have something that I like, but the early 80s was definitely a low-point, IMO! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 13 11:23:24 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:23:24 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: Hmm. I think I may be misinformed, a bit. When was C.Y.Masques released? My copy has 1996 for Griffon Music. Is this a re-release? > ---------- > From: Dave Berry[SMTP:daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 11:09AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: low points and giving up > > At 10:46 13/04/98 -0400, Hall, Russell J wrote: > >I was just curious if the hard core Hawkfan liked C.Y. Masques and > how > >this line up compares (quality-wise) to the earlier ones mentioned). > > Hawkfans disagree about everything ;-). But for me, CYM was when I > gave up > on Hawkwind in the 80's. I still saw them at Stonehenge, but I gave > up > buying the albums. It had a couple of great songs, but I felt that it > didn't hang together overall, and some bits (e.g. Silver Machine, > Utopia) > really sucked. My tastes in music were changing too. I got back into > HW > in the early 90s, with Electric Teepee and Palace Springs. > > Dave. > > > Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. > Tel: +44 131 240 6106. > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 12:29:58 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:29:58 +0000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: On m?n 13 apr 1998 11.23 -0400 "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > Hmm. I think I may be misinformed, a bit. When was C.Y.Masques > released? My copy has 1996 for Griffon Music. Is this a re-release? Yes. Brock re-made it from the original work tapes, but it is essentially the same as the early-80s album, with a few new bonus tracks. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Apr 13 19:48:05 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs Message-ID: Jill, It's the name of the band (Richard & Susan Barbieri). Even though I'm doing myself out of business (I run a record search business) you can buy it mail order from http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakemp/frkmptop.html It costs ?11.75 plus P&P. That's your freebie, you'll have to pay from now on! Zeit J Strobridge wrote: > > Any idea where I can get hold of Indigo Falls or which label it's on or > whether that's the name of the band or the album??? > > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 12:03:49 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:03:49 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: Hall, Russell J's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:23:24 -0400 Message-ID: Hall, Russell J writes: > Hmm. I think I may be misinformed, a bit. When was C.Y.Masques > released? My copy has 1996 for Griffon Music. Is this a re-release? Yes - it was originally issued as vinyl on RCA label back in 198?? (I forget now) along with Church of Hawkwind and Sonic Attack but there was great difficulty getting permission for it to be issued as a CD. Griffin finally achieved this with a memorable piece of diplomacy - a feat which IMO has to be counted up there with the great diplomatic triumphs of this century although it's admittedly had slightly less impact on the global majority of humanity than other such achievements. But no matter. I like Choose Your Masques although others prefer Sonic Attack from that period as being more.. I dunno - assertive? Have to agree tho' that it's not the best version of Utopia. However Hawkwind being the band they are - even if you don't like an album it's still worth going to see them live if only because by the time they've put the tour and the stageshow together it can bear little or no resemblance to the album at all - either that or they tour before the album even comes out. Either way - Hawkwind live and Hawkind in studio tend, for me, to be quite separate species. The official compilations issued by the band (usually with booklet and a Brian Tawn intro) are usually worth picking up if you don't already have any of the original albums. However you should avoid the endlessly recursive Yuri Gagarin group and only buy one version of Acid Daze - see the discography! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 12:08:11 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:08:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs In-Reply-To: Stuart Hamilton's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton writes: > Jill, > > It's the name of the band (Richard & Susan Barbieri). Even though I'm > doing myself out of business (I run a record search business) you can buy > it mail order from http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakemp/frkmptop.html It > costs ?11.75 plus P&P. That's your freebie, you'll have to pay from now on! > > Zeit IOU one!! In gratitude jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 13 12:15:43 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:15:43 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, but it seems to just be compilations. > ---------- > From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Monday, April 13, 1998 12:03PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: low points and giving up > > Hall, Russell J writes: > > > Hmm. I think I may be misinformed, a bit. When was C.Y.Masques > > released? My copy has 1996 for Griffon Music. Is this a > re-release? > > Yes - it was originally issued as vinyl on RCA label back in 198?? (I > forget now) along with Church of Hawkwind and Sonic Attack but there > was great difficulty getting permission for it to be issued as a CD. > Griffin finally achieved this with a memorable piece of diplomacy - a > feat which IMO has to be counted up there with the great diplomatic > triumphs of this century although it's admittedly had slightly less > impact on the global majority of humanity than other such > achievements. > But no matter. I like Choose Your Masques although others prefer > Sonic Attack from that period as being more.. I dunno - assertive? > Have to agree tho' that it's not the best version of Utopia. > > However Hawkwind being the band they are - even if you don't like an > album it's still worth going to see them live if only because by the > time they've put the tour and the stageshow together it can bear > little or no resemblance to the album at all - either that or they > tour > before the album even comes out. Either way - Hawkwind live and > Hawkind in studio tend, for me, to be quite separate species. > > The official compilations issued by the band (usually with booklet and > a > Brian Tawn intro) are usually worth picking up if you don't already > have > any of the original albums. However you should avoid the endlessly > recursive Yuri Gagarin group and only buy one version of Acid Daze - > see > the discography! > > jill > > ====================================================================== > ===== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 13 12:45:02 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:45:02 +0100 Subject: HW: discog In-Reply-To: Hall, Russell J's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: Hall, Russell J writes: > Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, but it > seems to just be compilations. Try Sonique's Web page http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ or one of the other pages (has anyone got addresses?) Or I could mail you mine if you don't mind a VERY large email message but I don't think it's completely up to date and does contain quite literally everything - which you probably don't need at this stage. Has anyone got a pared-down or reduced discography they could offer? jill obweather> I hope everyone on this list in the US is safe from tornados or whatever other conditions are being thrown at you - sounds bad over there! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Apr 13 20:51:54 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:51:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs Message-ID: It's a pint of Guinness the next time I'm in the Cowgate. Zeit J.D.Strobridge wrote > IOU one!! > > In gratitude > jill > From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 13 11:51:58 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:51:58 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: >Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, but it >seems to just be compilations. You mean you don't have a copy of the Hawkwind Codex? It's kind of lengthy and most on the list have it, so I'll point you towards http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ Sonique's page, who has a copy of it. (It's one of the few places that does not omit the one bright HW moment of the early 80's, "Caution" ) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 13 13:01:22 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:01:22 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: > You mean you don't have a copy of the Hawkwind Codex? > I am such a heathen! :) > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > " . . . Trust me in all things" - Corwin From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Apr 13 14:29:47 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:29:47 +0100 Subject: off: Underground zero vinyl Message-ID: If anyone is interested in UZO vinyl. I just found some! In Camden there is a record store in Inverness Street (the first one with the singles dept downstairs). I think it`s called `out on the floor but that may be the other shop in the same street. They have Two albums on vinyl for ?8 each. The first album and the half live/half studio thing. If you go, they are in the 70`s punk/new wave section downstairs. I was chatting to the guy and told him that he`d have more luck putting them in the Hawkwind section but I don`t know whether he will. They got the HW stuff up stairs and have a few interesting things like the hawklords 12" and original early 70`s albums. Plus singles probably. It`s a good shop for collectors. I`d get them myself for somebody but I simply don`t have the cash (and I already own them) so I`m passing on the info. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 13 16:22:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:22:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: HF #560 at Tower Message-ID: Recently reported on AOL is that Heaven Forbid is selling at #560 at Tower Records (for comparison, the new UFO was in the 600's) - I think you can check this out at Tower's website. Anyway, this ain't what BOC fans might like, but doesn't sound too bad either. I know my local Tower has sold at least 7 or 8 copies (with the Newbury Comics across the parking lot selling at least 3 themselves). John From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 13 16:29:23 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:29:23 GMT Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD197210@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:15:43 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, but it >seems to just be compilations. www.doremi.co.uk/hawks Full discog & reviews.. (Except for the last 3 albums but we`re working on those..) From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Mon Apr 13 16:47:50 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:47:50 -0500 Subject: off/other: US weather Message-ID: Jill writes: >obweather> I hope everyone on this list in the US is safe from tornados >or whatever other conditions are being thrown at you - sounds bad over >there! [Allan looks over shoulder out the window--sees lots of nasty clouds--then hops over to www.weather.com, and www.nws.noaa.gov, just to be sure he?s really going to be OK] Allan. ObHW: A tornado or a Sonic Attack, which would you prefer? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk/ From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Mon Apr 13 20:35:25 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:35:25 -0700 Subject: HW: essential discography Message-ID: I've got a discography that includes only the official studio albums and the live albums. The links aren't all done, and you need frames to access it, but here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 I may mess up some people because I have listed dates in a weird manner. I use the *recording* date rather than the *label release* date. Thus, the newest live album _1999 Party_ I have listed way back in 1974, even though it was just released (finally) in 1997. But it keeps things chronologically in a nice timeline, and only messes up when a live album like _Undisclosed Files Addendum_ has songs from two different concerts in the 80's. Interesting that this page has been up for about 25 months now, and *none* of the big pages have ever given me a link. A few of the smaller pages have linked me, but I had hoped for a little more reception. I get frustrated with the fluid nature of most websites, as the Hawkwind links on my page are all hopelessly out of date. Being around for over 2 years at the same URL should qualify my page to be listed somewhere, even if it is only an "also-ran" and nowhere near as well designed as Sonique's page. Thanks, and hope some of you visit. I'm doing construction on the cd cover scans because GeoCities now offers 6 meg free webspace instead of 2 meg. That's a lot of space, so keep your eyes out for more improvements! Bryan http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Apr 13 23:21:35 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:21:35 EDT Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-13 16:35:06 EDT, you write: << >Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, but it >seems to just be compilations. www.doremi.co.uk/hawks Full discog & reviews.. (Except for the last 3 albums but we`re working on those..) >> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/Codex/contents.html also goto for many HW links: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html bl From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Apr 13 23:28:03 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:28:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: R.I.P. Cozy Powell Message-ID: I just picked up an interesting Cozy Powell artifact today--a vinyl copy of BEDLAM, self-titled, on Metal Masters, UK. Felix Pappalardi plays keys and produces. Anyone want to buy it? Charlie From des at SUPERLINK.NET Tue Apr 14 00:28:09 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:28:09 -0400 Subject: Harvest Moon Question Message-ID: Does anyone know if the second of the three solos in "Harvest Moon" is Allen? --EF From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Apr 14 00:33:26 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:33:26 EDT Subject: Harvest Moon Question Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-14 00:29:38 EDT, EF wrote: > Does anyone know if the second of the three solos in "Harvest Moon" is Allen? Yes, it is. He takes that one in the live versions, too. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 14 03:50:36 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:50:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: I noticed copies of Heaven Forbid displayed very prominently in the latest rock titles alongside Snake Bite Love when I passed through the local HMV store yesterday. Interesting to note that all copies of _HF_ had the inserts reversed to display the er, voluptuous brunette instead of the proper cover. I guess CMC must think us Brits would be offended. Bizarre. It was going for ukp 12.99 cheers, Tim From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 14 00:38:02 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:38:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: All this talk of Cozy Powell makes me wonder: Does anyone on the list have an opinion on post-Dio Black Sabbath? I've bought faithfully everything Sabbath has released since then, and while it ain't classic Sab, I've always felt that if you approach the stuff as sort of Tony Iommi solo material, it isn't really too bad. And I'm going to admit something I probably shouldn't...Although most people hate Born Again, including those who made it, I find it to be one of my favorite Black Sabbath Albums of all time. If anyone has any opinions, I'd love to hear 'em. --Nick English From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Apr 14 06:23:30 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:23:30 +1000 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: At 04:38 14/04/98 +0000, Nick English wrote: >All this talk of Cozy Powell makes me wonder: > >Does anyone on the list have an opinion on post-Dio Black Sabbath? >I've bought faithfully everything Sabbath has released since then, >and while it ain't classic Sab, I've always felt that if you approach >the stuff as sort of Tony Iommi solo material, it isn't really too >bad. And I'm going to admit something I probably shouldn't...Although >most people hate Born Again, including those who made it, I find it >to be one of my favorite Black Sabbath Albums of all time. >If anyone has any opinions, I'd love to hear 'em. MY opinions for what they are worth : Post Dio Sabbath is very good, because Tony Martin sings better the RJD. BUT, the albums without Geezer suffer in the songwriting dept. The best is of course the outstanding "Cross Purposes", every song a winner. Others worthy of note are "Tyr", and "Seventh Star" (which is really very good, but more of a Tony Iommi thing really)...forget "Forbidden" and "Headless Cross" (in the latter's case because of the juvenile satanic lyrics). And don't forget the album with Dio called "Dehumanizer"...quite good. Troy Who also likes "Born again".. despite the silly lyrics. > >--Nick English > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 14 05:14:41 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:14:41 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720F@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: In article <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD19720F at EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.co m>, Hall, Russell J writes >Hmm. I think I may be misinformed, a bit. When was C.Y.Masques >released? My copy has 1996 for Griffon Music. Is this a re-release? um, yeah. It came out about 15 years ago. If you like CYM, you'll like Sonic Attack too. Same period. -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 05:43:40 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:43:40 +0100 Subject: HW: essential websites In-Reply-To: BL Young's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: BL Young writes: > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 > > Interesting that this page has been up for about 25 months now, and > *none* of the big pages have ever given me a link. A few of the smaller > pages have linked me, but I had hoped for a little more reception. I get > frustrated with the fluid nature of most websites, as the Hawkwind links There seem to be loads of Hawkwind websites around but I tend not to keep a note of them except as the original email message that comes through to the list - and then I often accidentally delete that. Maybe someone should collect all the addresses as they stand at the moment and make that page available to each person that has a site and then we'd all keep up to date? Or is that correct webiquette? I hardly know these days! yrs in technical saturation jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Tue Apr 14 06:01:20 1998 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (LukeChurch) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:01:20 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: Dans un courrier dat? du 14/04/1998 08:57:40, bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK a ?crit << Interesting to note that all copies of _HF_ had the inserts reversed to display the er, voluptuous brunette instead of the proper cover. I guess CMC must think us Brits would be offended. Bizarre. >> It has nothing to do with CMC... It turned out that those who involved here in Europe in the printing of the original cover completely screwed up the colors. The picture is too dark and figures are blue with no contrast at all. Pure shit ! So, SPV simply replaced it by the inner blonde woman in her Justice-for-all- pose as an insert sliced in front, and finally saved the game... Cuz it's a better choice, isn't it ! Cum 'on, foreign collectors, another brick in your wall... Besides, promo CDs have been released too (come with label board sleeve). Later _LuKe_ (Church Of The Cult, french FC) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 07:09:49 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:09:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton writes: > It's the name of the band (Richard & Susan Barbieri). Even though I'm > doing myself out of business (I run a record search business) Ah, well, if you find a Hassan I Sabha single.... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 07:13:33 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:13:33 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:51:58 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > You mean you don't have a copy of the Hawkwind Codex? > > It's kind of lengthy and most on the list have it, so I'll > point you towards > > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ > > Sonique's page, who has a copy of it. Note that I've updated this recently. It's likely that the copies out there aren't current: [The Hawkwind Codex: Version 2.7 3rd March 1998 =============================================== Those who keep public copies should email me for the latest version. It's an 87K text file. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 08:26:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:26:17 +0000 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: On tis 14 apr 1998 08.50 +0100 bart wrote: > Interesting to note that all copies of _HF_ had the inserts > reversed to display the er, voluptuous brunette instead of the proper cover. > I guess CMC must think us Brits would be offended. Bizarre. My guess is they figured people were more likely to stop and pick up something with the voluptuous brunette on it :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 14 08:01:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:01:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: I haven't really listened to any post-Born-Again Sabbath -- probably because I really liked Born Again myself (even saw the tour) and was bummed when Gillan left. "Disturbing the Priest" is one of the coolest metal songs out there. John From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Apr 14 08:04:54 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:04:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: i like born again a lot. but i never listen to it. would like to find it on cd, i am too lazy to play my vinyl. i havent heard any of the other post-dio stuff. even the post-dio-dio. rj Nick English wrote: > > All this talk of Cozy Powell makes me wonder: > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion on post-Dio Black Sabbath? > I've bought faithfully everything Sabbath has released since then, > and while it ain't classic Sab, I've always felt that if you approach > the stuff as sort of Tony Iommi solo material, it isn't really too > bad. And I'm going to admit something I probably shouldn't...Although > most people hate Born Again, including those who made it, I find it > to be one of my favorite Black Sabbath Albums of all time. > If anyone has any opinions, I'd love to hear 'em. > > --Nick English From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 14 07:53:08 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:53:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:26:17 -0000." <48768.3101545577@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > On tis 14 apr 1998 08.50 +0100 bart wrote: > > Interesting to note that all copies of _HF_ had the inserts > > reversed to display the er, voluptuous brunette instead of the proper > cover. > > I guess CMC must think us Brits would be offended. Bizarre. > > My guess is they figured people were more likely to stop and pick up > something with the voluptuous brunette on it :) Now normally that would be entirely true, but I held off for the time being, mainly because I try and avoid buying at HMV (supporting the local indy shops instead) and second I was still so hung over from my 30th bash I could barely coordinate myself through a purchase transaction :-) Tim NP: v/a, _Narcosis dark ambient compilation_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 14 08:09:29 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:09:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: Speaking of the cover stuff, I was lucky enough (at the AOL online release party) to snag a copy of the radio-promo CD single "See You in Black" - it was packaged as follows: The cover is the back of the HF CD (just the brown room) with "See You in Black" in big white letters. On the back of the CD is the same scene, with a small picture of the HF in the middle (with the words, "From the new CD, "Heaven Forbid"). The CD itself is has the "babe" airbrushed on the top of it - as with the cover of the European release, there is more of her showing - no, I don't mean she's got less clothes - I mean the picture isn't just from the waist up, but more like from the knees up (and no, she's not wearing a short dress). Speakin' of the babe - Bolle mentioned on alt.music.blueoystercult that this picture is of Gaia (mentioned in the song, "Real World"). Eric Bloom mentioned something on AOL about this being some sort of well-known painting among some circles in the art world, but I don't think there's been any more discussion about it. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 14 08:35:14 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:35:14 EDT Subject: trepanation live In-Reply-To: <199804141209.IAA22992@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: There's going to be a guy on Howard Stern tomorrow who has done trepanation on himself... From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 08:36:53 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:36:53 +0100 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:49:10 -0000 Message-ID: Just remembered this: Andy Gilham writes: > On Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:51 PM, Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] > wrote: > > > my armor... > > is killing me.... > > my armor... > > IS KILLING.... > > MY ARMOR...... > > IIISSSSS..... > > KILLLLIINNNGGG MMMEEEEE!!!!! > > KKKKIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!!! > > MMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! > > KILL ME!!!!!! > > > > What you may not know, and what I'm sure MM is aware of, is a famous TV > commercial from the 70s for ladies' undergarments, which featured the > tag-line "my girdle's killing me!". To which the wearer was told to try > the advertiser's product. There's also the short story by J.G. Ballard (perhaps also based on the above?) about clothes made of material that adjusted itself to the wearer's personality and a suit made of this material worn by someone who committed a murder and which from then onwards had a tendency to suffocate to death any other person who wore it and then got too emotionally stressed. You are what you wear. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 14 08:41:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:41:39 -0700 Subject: BOC: HF @ Towers /Cozy Powell Message-ID: >Recently reported on AOL is that Heaven Forbid is selling at #560 at Tower Records (for comparison, the new UFO was in the 600's) I'm seeing fewer copies in stores these days, somebody is buying it which is good. >Interesting to note that all copies of _HF_ had the inserts reversed to display the er, voluptuous brunette instead of the proper cover. I guess CMC must think us Brits would be offended. Hmmm she's blond on the US copy. Maybe CMC thinks you Brits have far better taste than the US' Gen X. 8>). >Although most people hate Born Again, including those who made it, I find it to be one of my favorite Black Sabbath Albums of all time. If anyone has any opinions, I'd love to hear 'em. OK, Sabbath lost me after Heaven and Hell. You can flip a coin on Heaven and Hell and Sabotage. Either one works for me. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 14 08:54:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:54:34 -0400 Subject: trepanation live Message-ID: >There's going to be a guy on Howard Stern tomorrow who has done trepanation on himself... If anyone hears this, I'd be interested in knowning what was said - is Howard following up on the recent article in Spin magazine? Is this sort of thing going to be some sort of fad??? John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Apr 14 09:02:59 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:02:59 -0400 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: > There's also the short story by J.G. Ballard (perhaps also based on > the above?) about clothes made of material that adjusted itself to the > wearer's personality and a suit made of this material worn by someone > who committed a murder and which from then onwards had a tendency to > suffocate to death any other person who wore it and then got too > emotionally stressed. > > You are what you wear. > > jill > I guess the clothes really do make (break) the man. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Apr 14 09:07:20 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:07:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: > Speakin' of the babe - Bolle mentioned on alt.music.blueoystercult > that > this picture is of Gaia (mentioned in the song, "Real World"). Eric > Bloom mentioned something on AOL about this being some sort of > well-known > painting among some circles in the art world, but I don't think > there's > been any more discussion about it. > I always thought that Gaia was just a personal name for Mother Earth (Earth Spirit). The babe doesn't seem to be the mother earth type. More the guarding spirit/muse type. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 14 09:25:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:01 EDT Subject: trepanation live In-Reply-To: <199804141254.IAA01499@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >There's going to be a guy on Howard Stern tomorrow who has done > trepanation on himself... > > If anyone hears this, I'd be interested in knowning what was said - is > Howard following up on the recent article in Spin magazine? Is this > sort of thing going to be some sort of fad??? > > John John, I'll be listening, and I'll try to tape it for ya... theo From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 14 10:40:44 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:40:44 -0500 Subject: HW: essential discography In-Reply-To: BL Young "HW: essential discography" (Apr 13, 5:35pm) Message-ID: BL Young wrote: > I've got a discography that includes only the official studio albums and > the live albums. The links aren't all done, and you need frames to > access it, but here's the link: > > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 > Interesting that this page has been up for about 25 months now, and > *none* of the big pages have ever given me a link. A few of the smaller > pages have linked me, but I had hoped for a little more reception. I get > frustrated with the fluid nature of most websites, as the Hawkwind links > on my page are all hopelessly out of date. Being around for over 2 years > at the same URL should qualify my page to be listed somewhere, even if > it is only an "also-ran" and nowhere near as well designed as Sonique's > page. Maybe it doesn't qualify as a "big page", but your site is pointed to by the Golden Void links page: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/links/ I think you've done good work on the discography, and every bit of information out there on the web increases the band's presence. Regards, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 If they ever come up with a swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, Then Jumping Off Something. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 14 10:49:48 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:49:48 -0500 Subject: HW: essential websites In-Reply-To: J Strobridge "Re: HW: essential websites" (Apr 14, 10:43am) Message-ID: > There seem to be loads of Hawkwind websites around but I tend not to > keep a note of them except as the original email message that comes > through to the list - and then I often accidentally delete that. > Maybe someone should collect all the addresses as they stand at the > moment and make that page available to each person that has a site and > then we'd all keep up to date? Or is that correct webiquette? I > hardly know these days! Information-wise, this is an interesting idea. I practice, everyone has their links organized differently, with different bits of value-added information. For example, my Golden void site simply lists the links without comment, while other give short commentary on many of the sites. I do try to keep my links page up to date. I know I am a couple of links behind at the moment, though. If anyone is interested, I will volunteer to keep a canonic list of Hawkwind sites in a format that can be easily incorporated into people's pages. For example, maybe this should be a flat file with entries that contain the site name and the URL on separate lines, with each entry separated by a blank line. This format is easily digestible by Perl, for example. We might also want to consider adding reviews and comments to the list. All you web site owners, let me know what you think. I'll even volunteer to distribute a Perl5 script that generates a basic HTML page from the list, which can then be further customized. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Television is called a medium because it is neither rare nor well done. --- Ernie Kovacs From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 14 07:32:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:32:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: John wrote: > "Disturbing the Priest" is one of the coolest metal songs out there. I agree, John, although I have a special love for Zero the Hero. Everyone I've ever played that tune for -- even non-metal, non-Sabbath, non-Deep Purple fans -- have loved it. BTW...There was a Gillan/Sabbath mini-concert on MTV back in the early '80s. All I can remember is that they had these giant stonehenge monuments (Kinda like Spinal Tap, except that whoever drew the diagram on the napkin knew the difference between inches and feet)...and there was one other thing that disturbed me a bit...I could have sworn the show was lip-synched using the Born Again album cuts. Did anyone else see this? Am I out of my mind? Also, to respond to a post which I accidentally deleted already, Born Again IS on CD...widely available I think. I got it in NY a couple years ago. -- Nick English From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Apr 14 10:12:22 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:12:22 +1000 Subject: HW: essential discography Message-ID: On 13 Apr 98, at 17:35, BL Young wrote: > Interesting that this page has been up for about 25 months now, and > *none* of the big pages have ever given me a link. A few of the smaller > pages have linked me, but I had hoped for a little more reception. I've mailed Bryan privately, but here's a public apology - I thought I *had* linked to his page .... if I've missed any others let me know - I'm overhauling my website when I get back to Australia in a few weeks, so that's teh time to do it! Yours in Asia, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 14 20:53:40 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:53:40 -0700 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: Well, I for one have to agree. Take away the Black Sabbath tag and you have some quality rock music. "Seventh Star" is a favourite but that may be connected to Glenn Hughes singing on it. I wasn't a big fan of Tony Martins vox but the music on "Eternal Idol", "Tyr" and "Cross Purposes" is sometimes inspirational. Shane about the Dio reunion album, "Dehumanizer". That stunk the big one. Zeit Nick English wrote: > > All this talk of Cozy Powell makes me wonder: > > Does anyone on the list have an opinion on post-Dio Black Sabbath? > I've bought faithfully everything Sabbath has released since then, > and while it ain't classic Sab, I've always felt that if you approach > the stuff as sort of Tony Iommi solo material, it isn't really too > bad. And I'm going to admit something I probably shouldn't...Although > most people hate Born Again, including those who made it, I find it > to be one of my favorite Black Sabbath Albums of all time. > If anyone has any opinions, I'd love to hear 'em. > > --Nick English From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 14 12:57:47 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:57:47 PDT Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: John wrote: > >> "Disturbing the Priest" is one of the coolest metal songs out there. > Nick English replied: > >I agree, John, although I have a special love for Zero the Hero. >Everyone I've ever played that tune for -- even non-metal, >non-Sabbath, non-Deep Purple fans -- have loved it. > >BTW...There was a >Gillan/Sabbath mini-concert on MTV back in the early '80s. All I can >remember is that they had these giant stonehenge monuments (Kinda >like Spinal Tap, except that whoever drew the diagram on the napkin >knew the difference between inches and feet)...and there was one >other thing that disturbed me a bit...I could have sworn the show was >lip-synched using the Born Again album cuts. Did anyone else see >this? Am I out of my mind? Vol 4 is, for me, the finest moment ever commited to vynil, repidly followed by _Black Sabbath_, _On Your Feet or On Your Knees_ and Fith No More's _King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime_. But now I've gotten that out of the way, the later Sabbath stuff has to be looked at in several different ways - Dio, then Iommi solo stuff (which is what _Seventh Star_ actually was until the record company refused to release it without the Sabbath name) and then more group focused material, but in the vein cut by _7th Star_. ZERO THE HERO what a f#@!"ng awesome riff! The way it builds, the way it twists, the way it just roars. Ohmigodohmigodohmigod. Sorry - I was gushing. Ahem. I kinda like digital bitch too, but I've got medication for that. Back to the point anyway - the Born Again live footage probably was overdubbed with studio sound because Ian Gillan never actually bothered learning the lyrics. He did good deal of the few gigs they played to back up the LP singing from sheets of lyrics stuck to the stage and then screaming a lot because he couldn't remember what happened next. This is stuff I've read in interviews with both Gillan and Iommi say this much and Iommi lays the blame for this particular lineup crumbling before recording a 2nd LP squarely at the feet of Mr Gillan for just not getting of his arse and participating. And in the same Iommi interview (in Kerrang! I suspect), Tony sez that the Stonehenge set is still sitting in a warehouse in England somewhere. He even named the town, but I can't remember that far back. He said he laughed his plums off at This Is Spinal Tap and he felt that Derek Smalls' moustache was dedicated to Black Sabbath fans everywhere. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 14 13:01:09 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:01:09 +0100 Subject: HW: essential websites In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > links behind at the moment, though. If anyone is interested, I will > volunteer to keep a canonic list of Hawkwind sites in a format that > can be easily incorporated into people's pages. For example, maybe > this should be a flat file with entries that contain the site name and > the URL on separate lines, with each entry separated by a blank line. > This format is easily digestible by Perl, for example. We might also > want to consider adding reviews and comments to the list. > > All you web site owners, let me know what you think. I'll even > volunteer to distribute a Perl5 script that generates a basic HTML > page from the list, which can then be further customized. Sounds good if we could keep this to a basic info list of straight Hawkwind sites for those folk who are happy to share the same list with everyone else. Would it be acceptable for such a list to include the different owners' email addresses as well so that when anyone changes or creates a new site then they can mail the new URL directly to the other site owners just by looking at one page without having to go to each owner separately? I've had a quick trawl through my email and here are some addresses that have floated past recently in case it's of any use. www.doremi.co.uk/hawks http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html http://www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/boc-l/ Incidentally I've just done a check on http://www.hawkwind.com and there is now a one-sentence statement that reads "Any questions can be E-mailed to actonium at dial.pipex.com" Would that be Actonium Doug Smith perhaps? jill obgoinghometime> it's snowing 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 14 21:15:13 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:15:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: Please let me be wrong but deep in the recesses of a cupboard I have a video called "Metal Edge", which I bought in a bargain bin in a photography shop in London about 10 years ago. Amongst tracks from Bullet, Mamas Boys, Headpins and Ozzy there are promos for "Trashed" and "Zero The Hero". I'm going to have to dig it out and watch it, AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT. Zeit Nick English wrote: > > > BTW...There was a > Gillan/Sabbath mini-concert on MTV back in the early '80s. All I can > remember is that they had these giant stonehenge monuments (Kinda > like Spinal Tap, except that whoever drew the diagram on the napkin > knew the difference between inches and feet)...and there was one > other thing that disturbed me a bit...I could have sworn the show was > lip-synched using the Born Again album cuts. Did anyone else see > this? Am I out of my mind? > > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 14 13:28:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:28:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: Gaia, in Greek mythology, was the Earth, who's union with Ouranos (the sky) produced, among other things, the god Chronos, who cut off his father's genitals with a sickle, and later became the father of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, Hestia, and Demeter. John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 14 21:47:53 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:47:53 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Porcupine Tree spinoffs Message-ID: It's on my list! I'll let you know what happens. Zeit > > Ah, well, if you find a Hassan I Sabha single.... > > FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Apr 14 13:46:37 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:46:37 +0200 Subject: HW: essential websites In-Reply-To: <199804141701.SAA11939@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Here is (as a start) a list of all HW related addresses (bookmarks) I could find in my browser: http://www.doremi.co.uk/hawks/intro.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568/ http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/hawkwind.html http://hem1.passagen.se/kwj/ http://www.quantum.net.au/scatter/main.htm http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/brocki/ http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html http://www.hawkwind.com/ http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/m.painter/INDEX.HTM http://brian.homecom.com/~brian/hawklist.html http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/~acobley/sonix.cgi http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/boc-l/ http://www.southwind.com/davidg59/ http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/62191/HW.html http://www.rockofa.demon.co.uk/stock/hawk.html http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html http://home.clara.net/adawson/ http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/hawkwind.html Bernhard From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Apr 14 13:52:53 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:52:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-14 08:09:41 EDT, John Swartz wrote: > Eric Bloom mentioned something on AOL about this (DA BABE) being some sort of well-known painting among some circles in the art world John, it may well be modelled on something, as I'm sure you meant to say...as for the painting itself...hanging's too good for it! From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Apr 14 18:02:16 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:02:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > BTW...There was a > Gillan/Sabbath mini-concert on MTV back in the early '80s. All I can > remember is that they had these giant stonehenge monuments (Kinda > like Spinal Tap, except that whoever drew the diagram on the napkin > knew the difference between inches and feet)...and there was one > other thing that disturbed me a bit...I could have sworn the show was > lip-synched using the Born Again album cuts. Did anyone else see > this? Am I out of my mind? DIDN'T SEE it, but this is not unheard of or even rare. i saw the show live, with zebra/dokken/quiet riot. it was pretty fraggin great (cheesy openers aside.) sounded pretty much like the studio cuts but megatons louder. dont think it was synced... > > Also, to respond to a post which I accidentally deleted already, Born > Again IS on CD...widely available I think. I got it in NY a couple years > ago. yeah that was me. i know its out there, but have only seen a single copy which my pal picked up for $5, and refuses to part with... oh well. my wife gives me the silent treatment anytime i play it anyway. =) rj > > -- Nick English From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Apr 14 18:04:00 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:04:00 -0400 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: wasn't Gaynor the Damned a slave to his armour? rj J Strobridge wrote: > > Just remembered this: > > Andy Gilham writes: > > > On Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:51 PM, Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] > > wrote: snip > > > > What you may not know, and what I'm sure MM is aware of, is a famous TV > > commercial from the 70s for ladies' undergarments, which featured the > > tag-line "my girdle's killing me!". To which the wearer was told to try > > the advertiser's product. > > There's also the short story by J.G. Ballard (perhaps also based on > the above?) about clothes made of material that adjusted itself to the > wearer's personality and a suit made of this material worn by someone > who committed a murder and which from then onwards had a tendency to > suffocate to death any other person who wore it and then got too > emotionally stressed. > > You are what you wear. > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 14 18:35:15 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:35:15 +0200 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: > wasn't Gaynor the Damned a slave to his armour? > rj Yeah. And not the only one (both counts) :) Christian > J Strobridge wrote: > > > > Just remembered this: > > > > Andy Gilham writes: > > > > > On Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:51 PM, Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] > > > wrote: > snip > > > > > > What you may not know, and what I'm sure MM is aware of, is a famous TV > > > commercial from the 70s for ladies' undergarments, which featured the > > > tag-line "my girdle's killing me!". To which the wearer was told to try > > > the advertiser's product. > > > > There's also the short story by J.G. Ballard (perhaps also based on > > the above?) about clothes made of material that adjusted itself to the > > wearer's personality and a suit made of this material worn by someone > > who committed a murder and which from then onwards had a tendency to > > suffocate to death any other person who wore it and then got too > > emotionally stressed. > > > > You are what you wear. > > > > jill > > > > ========================================================================== > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Apr 14 19:03:38 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:03:38 +0200 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:52 1998-04-14 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-04-14 08:09:41 EDT, John Swartz wrote: > >> Eric Bloom mentioned something on AOL about this (DA BABE) being some sort >of well-known painting among some circles in the art world > >John, it may well be modelled on something, as I'm sure you meant to say...as >for the painting itself...hanging's too good for it! > I haven't had the opportunity to check this. But if I actually think it's a paraphrase of a Salvador Dali painting were his wife GALA (sic!) was depicted as Virgin Mary - as in "Virgin Mary winks from the sky"! Dan L __ __ / ` _' / ,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ `` Den b?sta h?mnden ?r att leva v?l! From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 14 21:10:59 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:10:59 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: I do believe that Salvador Dali is correct.... From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Apr 14 23:35:13 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:35:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Brizo777 wrote: > I do believe that Salvador Dali is correct.... I had the pleasure of visiting the Salvador Dali museum in St. Petersburg, Florida, last December, and got to admire several of his masterworks (including _The Hallucinogenic Toreador_, which became an instant favourite of mine). I have to say that the blonde woman depicted in the inner artwork of _Heaven Forbid_ doesn't look much like Gala to me. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 14 23:37:29 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:37:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK Message-ID: >>I have to say that the blonde woman depicted in the inner artwork of _Heaven Forbid_ doesn't look much like Gala to me. >> I don't believe they were able to get copyrights for an exact replica, so some changes were made..... From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Apr 15 03:43:13 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:43:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:03:38 +0200." <3.0.1.32.19980415010338.006c7574@mail.algonet.se> Message-ID: > > I haven't had the opportunity to check this. But if I actually think it's a > paraphrase of a Salvador Dali painting were his wife GALA (sic!) was > depicted as Virgin Mary - as in "Virgin Mary winks from the sky"! Damn Dan, ya beat me to it. Yes, I was going to say similar. Certainly the style is similar to Dali in his later period (about 1970 on) when practically all he painted was his 'wife' Gala in religious (christian) contexts. I don't think the actual painting itself is by Dali though, just a facsimile. Tim From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Apr 15 04:16:22 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:16:22 +0200 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid in the UK In-Reply-To: <199804150743.IAA13363@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 08:43 1998-04-15 +0100, you wrote: >> >> I haven't had the opportunity to check this. But I actually think it's a >> paraphrase of a Salvador Dali painting were his wife GALA (sic!) was >> depicted as Virgin Mary - as in "Virgin Mary winks from the sky"! > >Damn Dan, ya beat me to it. Yes, I was going to say similar. Certainly the >style is similar to Dali in his later period (about 1970 on) when practically >all he painted was his 'wife' Gala in religious (christian) contexts. > >I don't think the actual painting itself is by Dali though, just a facsimile. > Yes, Gala did not really look like that. In this musical context perhaps one might call it a cover... DL __ __ / ` _' / ,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ `` Den b?sta h?mnden ?r att leva v?l! From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 15 00:45:07 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:45:07 +0000 Subject: Forwarding message from Daniel Message-ID: Daniel asked me to forward the following to BOC-L --Nick Hej alla! OK I've just found a review of Heaven Forbid in my local newspaper "barometern". Here's the translation (almost - I can't do any better than this :-/ Blue Oyster Cult Heaven Forbid by Tommy Granlund (4 points of 5) Ten years has passed since their album Imaginos struck like a bomb and shocked me 'cos it was one of BOCs strongest albums ever. With Heaven Forbid it's clear that they still are one of the best and most intelligent hard rock bands. >From the opening, See You in Black, the record is full of strong songs made in the classic BOC manner. Beautiful melodies and pitches [?], guitars with an almost psychedelic poptouch against hard and heavy rockground. And Buck Dharmas personal guitarplaying is always embellishing, lots of melodies with a steady weight. In the 70s BOC (together with Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin) were the most important, the best and had most originality of all hardrockband. Today Blue Oyster Cult makes as strong music as they did in the past - without caring the slightest of what other bands do, and without losing any of their distinctive character. // Daniel From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 15 00:49:45 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:49:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: >Chris wrote: > ZERO THE HERO what a f#@!"ng awesome riff! The way it builds, the way > it twists, the way it just roars. Ohmigodohmigodohmigod. > Sorry - I was gushing. Ahem. I kinda like digital bitch too, but I've > got medication for that. I had never made the connection myself, but I was reading something about (Ugh!) Guns 'n' Roses one time, and the writer accused them of ripping off Zero's riff for "Paradise City". Pretty similar when you think about it, huh? -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 15 04:59:51 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:59:51 +0100 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody In-Reply-To: <3533DD50.967CA7F3@blackboard.com> Message-ID: In article <3533DD50.967CA7F3 at blackboard.com>, SPRAWL writes >wasn't Gaynor the Damned a slave to his armour? >rj Aren't we all? Ask Wilheim Reich. -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 06:02:01 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:02:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: preview of fear and loathing movie] Message-ID: I thought some Gonzo fans might be interested in this... > From www.drudgereport.com INTENSE 'FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS' SCREENING HAD SOME IN AUDIENCE LOOKING FOR EXIT UNIVERSAL sneaked its movie FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS Tuesday night in North Hollywood. Being described as "one of the most bizarre films ever made," the Terry Gilliam project based on a Hunter Thompson took them to hell and didn't let them come back during its 2 hour screening. "I got sick afterwards," one attendee told the DRUDGE REPORT. "Like they laced my popcorn with angel dust or something." Thompson's 1971 fuss-novel hits the screen after literally 25 years in development and 17 different scripts. Names like Nicholson, Scorsese, John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd have been attached over the years. The story follows the adventures of a ROLLING STONE magazine writer [Johnny Depp] who is sent to Las Vegas to cover a Narcotics Enforcement convention. Dark Comedy. No sex, very little violence, it was scenes of graphic drug-tripping - -- scenes that make the TRAINSPOTTING boys look like aspirin chewers - -- that shocked the crowd and had some looking for exit. One scene that goes down in a Casino has Depp hallucinating lizards. The 10 minute scene comes early in the film and sets tone. "He's in this Casino and all of a sudden every one in it starts to turn into creepy lizard-like creatures," describes a viewer. "Very disturbing... wacky." Depp smokes a cigarillo throughout the film making his continuous drug rants even more over the top, at times reducing him to nothing more than a mumble. "Whenthegoinggetsweird, t h e weird turn pro," or something like that. Depp acts out ether binges, coke tokes, LSD attacks with surprising ease. Camera effects simulate the highs for the viewer. One extended exchange between Depp and his attorney, who is tripping out hard in a bathtub, was so intense and disturbing that several in the screening audience walked out of the theater. [More than a dozen found exit during the film, according to one estimate.] The drink and drug road trip of writer Depp and his attorney is set for release in late May. Just how a new generation will relate to Thompson's "Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream" is an open question at UNIVERSAL. One executive hints that Depp's Hawaiian shirt may become a fashion trend. The movie's soundtrack, said to feature 70's lounge, may also start something. ------- End of Forwarded Message From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Apr 15 06:18:17 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:18:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: i noticed the similarity the first time i ever heard p-city. thot it was just me. then i thot, its not all THAT different from angels of death. then i thot- yeah, it is. rj- tooooo early Nick English wrote: > > >Chris wrote: > > > ZERO THE HERO what a f#@!"ng awesome riff! The way it builds, the way > > it twists, the way it just roars. Ohmigodohmigodohmigod. > > Sorry - I was gushing. Ahem. I kinda like digital bitch too, but I've > > got medication for that. > > I had never made the connection myself, but I was reading something > about (Ugh!) Guns 'n' Roses one time, and the writer accused them of > ripping off Zero's riff for "Paradise City". Pretty similar when you > think about it, huh? > > -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 07:22:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:22:40 PDT Subject: OFF: Cozy Powell and Black Sabbath Message-ID: >Old SPRAWL mentioned.... > >i noticed the similarity the first time i ever heard p-city. >thot it was just me. then i thot, its not all THAT different from >angels of death. then i thot- yeah, it is. >rj- tooooo early > > >Nick English wrote: >> >> >Chris wrote: >> >> > ZERO THE HERO what a f#@!"ng awesome riff! The way it builds, the way >> > it twists, the way it just roars. Ohmigodohmigodohmigod. >> > Sorry - I was gushing. Ahem. I kinda like digital bitch too, but I've >> > got medication for that. >> >> I had never made the connection myself, but I was reading something >> about (Ugh!) Guns 'n' Roses one time, and the writer accused them of >> ripping off Zero's riff for "Paradise City". Pretty similar when you >> think about it, huh? Angels of Death? Who that track? The Paradise City thing - it's a pretty similar riff, but since it's a blues-scale shape, hardly surprising. But didn't Iommi kinda retread the riff from a couple of other attempts? For example the last track on side B of Never Say Die pretty much has that riff as well, the last riff in the song. What was that song called - it's the one after Swinging the Chain, that flipping stonking instrumental. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 15 07:49:53 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:49:53 PDT Subject: OFF: preview of fear and loathing movie Message-ID: M Holmes slipped us this gem.... > >I thought some Gonzo fans might be interested in this... > >INTENSE 'FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS' SCREENING How long have I been waiting for this day? At last. Johnny Depp too, the heavens truly smile down this morning. What was that other loosely Gonzo film with Bill Murray...Where the Buffalo Roam or something....where's that at? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 08:03:45 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: preview of fear and loathing movie In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:49:53 PDT Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > M Holmes slipped us this gem.... > > > >I thought some Gonzo fans might be interested in this... > > > >INTENSE 'FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS' SCREENING > > How long have I been waiting for this day? At last. Johnny Depp too, > the heavens truly smile down this morning. There's still a chance for Hollywood to fuck it up. There's bound to be some media fool there who thinks that 12 people from their carefully selected Preview Focus Group leaving with barf bags is A Bad Thing rather than a ringing endorsement of the movie. The crucial question is whether they'll make cuts or whether they'll rip the stupid fucker's eyes out with crochet hooks, nail his wrists and knees to the parking lot, rip open his chest, crack his ribs individually with pliers and let the buzzards gnaw on his heart. It's these tricky decisions that really test the calibre of management in an institution. > What was that other loosely Gonzo film with Bill Murray...Where the > Buffalo Roam or something....where's that at? I have video copy of it in PAL VHS format if you can arrange appropriate conversion. Most Thompson fans haven't liked it but I've always liked Bill Murray and quite enjoyed that film. > Chris. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 09:08:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:08:17 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Questions from Dan Wikdahl Message-ID: Passing the questions along from DW : On tis 14 apr 1998 17.05 +0200 daniel.wikdahl at svt.se wrote: > Hej Calle! > Could you please FWD two questions to BOC-l? > (I can read the list by I can't post to it). > > First I've got a BOC Q: > I wonder if any of the Swedes has seen a Heaven Forbid review in a Swedish > magazine/paper yet? > ...and an HW Q: > Love In Space on Distant Horizons? Maybe I'm both blind and deaf...but I'm > pretty sure there's no LiS on my CD. A note on the booklet - yes. But no track > #10 on the CD. > > ...and if somebody want to mail me, please use this address: > daniel.wikdahl at svt.se -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 08:49:35 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:49:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: preview of fear and loathing movie In-Reply-To: <199804151203.NAA28151@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, M Holmes wrote: > There's still a chance for Hollywood to fuck it up. There's bound to be > some media fool there who thinks that 12 people from their carefully > selected Preview Focus Group leaving with barf bags is A Bad Thing > rather than a ringing endorsement of the movie. Nahhhh......All this stuff about people walking out of the preview theatre sounds like some PR guff designed to whip up publicity. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 15 09:14:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:14:43 EDT Subject: trepanation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, I got the Stern interview with the trepanation subject on tape. Howard goofed on him pretty much, but I laughed my ass off. check out: http:\www.trepan.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 15 05:23:53 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:23:53 +0000 Subject: trepanation Message-ID: > I got the Stern interview with the trepanation subject on tape. > Howard goofed on him pretty much, but I laughed my ass off. I must have missed a post somewhere or something...What exactly IS trepanation? --Nick From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 15 08:32:48 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:32:48 -0400 Subject: trepanation Message-ID: >> I got the Stern interview with the trepanation subject on tape. >> Howard goofed on him pretty much, but I laughed my ass off. > > >I must have missed a post somewhere or something...What exactly IS >trepanation? Everyone knows the drill , right? Okay, I'll just forward Martin's post from awhile back.... ----------------- Well seeing as you asked, hold on to your lunch :-) In honor of The Brain Surgeons new effort, _Trepanation_, I thought I'd forward an article about it. Be forewarned, those of you queasy-types, this is graphic! You will probably experience sympathy pains! OBAside: There actually used to be a mailing list similar to this one, called TREPAN-D, at Brown University! --- Forwarded mail from Linda Branagan This is only for the *truly* sick. I don't suggest reading it immediately before a meal. --Linda --- Forwarded mail from Keith Bostic To: /dev/null at python.bostic.com >>From _Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions_ by John Michell. THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Amanda Feilding lives in a charming flat looking over London's river with her companion, Joey Mellen, and their infant son, Rock. She is a successful painter, and she and Joey have an art gallery in a fashionable street of the King's Road. Another of her talents is for politics. At the last two General Elections she stood for Parliament in Chelsea, more than doubling her vote on the second occasion from 49 to 139. It does not sound much, but the cause for which she stands is unfamiliar and lacks obvious appeal. Feilding and her voters demand that trepanning operations be made freely available on the National Health. Trepanation means cutting a hole in your skull. The founder of the trepanation movement is a Dutch savant, Dr Bart Hughes. In 1962 he made a discovery which his followers proclaim as the most significant in modern times. One's state and degree of consciousness, he realized, are related to the volume of blood in the brain. According to his theory of evolution, the adoption of an upright stance brought certain benefits to the human race, but it caused the flow of blood through the head to be limited by gravity, thus reducing the range of human consciousness. Certain parts of the brain ceased or reduced their functions while others, particularly those parts relating to speech and reasoning, became emphasized in compensation. One can redress the balance by a number of methods, such as standing on one's head, jumping from a hot bath into a cold one, or the use of drugs; but the wider consciousness thus obtained is only temporary. Bart Hughes shared the common goal of mystics and poets in all ages: he wanted to achieve permanently the higher level of vision, which he associated with an increased volume of blood in the capillaries of the brain. The higher state of mind he sought was that of childhood. Babies are born with skulls unsealed, and it is not until one is an adult that the bony carapace is formed which completely encloses the membranes surrounding the brain and inhibits their pulsations in repsonse to heart-beats. In consequence, the adult loses touch with the dreams, imagination and intense perceptions of the child. His mental balance becomes upset by egoism and neuroses. To cure these problems, first in himself and then for the whole world, Dr Huges returned his cranium to something like the condition of infancy by cutting out a small disc of bone with an electric drill. Experiencing immediate beneficial effects from this operation, he began preaching to anyone who would listen to the doctrine of trepanation. By liberating his brain from its total imprisonment in his skull, he claimed to have restored its pulsations, increased the volume of blood in it and acquired a more complete, satisfying state of consciousness than grown-up people normally enjoy. The medical and legal authorities reacted to Huges's discovery with horror and rewarded him with a spell in a Dutch lunatic asylum. Joseph Mellen met Bart Huges in 1965 in Ibiza and quickly became his leading, or rather one and only, disciple. Years later he wrote a book called _Bore Hole_, the contents of which are summarized in its opening sentence: 'This is the story of how I came to drill a hole in my skull to get permanently high.' . . . (a few paragraphs detail Joseph Mellen's early experiments with LSD, and how he finds out about Bart Huges.) The time came when Joey felt he had preached enough and that he now had to act. He did not agree with Holingshead that the third eye was merely a figure of speech, believing in its physical attainment through self-trepanation. Support for this can be found in archaeology. Skulls of ancient people all over the world give evidence that their owners were skillfully trepanned during their lifetimes, and many of these appear to have been of noble or priestly castes. The medical practice of trepanation was continued up to the present century in treatment of madness, the hole in the skull being seen as a way of relieving pressure on the brain or letting out the devils that possessed it. By his scientific explanation of the reasons for the operation, Bart Huges had removed it from the area of superstition, and Joey Mellen proposed to be the second person to perform it on himself in the interest of enlightenment. Bart had become a close friend of Amanda Feilding, and they went off to Amsterdam together while Joey took care of Amanda's flat. This was the opportunity he had been waiting for to bore a hole in his head. The most gripping passages in _Bore Hole_ describe his various attempts to complete the operation. They are also extremely gruesome, and those who lack medical curiosity would do well to read no further. Yet to those who might contemplate trepanation for and by themselves, Joey's experiences are a salutary warning. It should be empahasized that neither he, Bart nor Amanda has ever recommended people to follow their example by performing their own operations. For years they have been looking for doctors who would understand their theories and would agree to trepan volunteer patients as a form of therapy. Strangely enough, not one member of the medical profession has been converted. In a surgical store Joey found a trepan instrument, a kind of auger or cork- screw designed to be worked by hand. It was much cheaper and, Joey felt, more sensitive than an electric drill. Its main feature was a metal spike, surrounded by a ring of saw-teeth. The spike was meant to be driven into the skull, holding the trepan steady until the revolving saw made a groove, after which it could be retracted. If all went well, the saw-band should remove a disc of bone and expose the brain. Joey's first attempt at self-trepanation was a fiasco. He had no previous medical experience, and the needles he had bought for administering a local anaesthetic to the crown of his head proved to be too thin and crumpled up or broke. Next day he obtained some stouter needles, took a tab of LSD to steady his nerves and set to in earnest. First he made an incision to the bone, and then applied the trepan to his bared skull. But the first part of the operation, driving the spike into the bone, was impossible to accomplish. Joey described it as like trying to uncork a bottle from the inside. He realized he needed help and telephoned Bart in Amsterdam, who promised he would come over and assist at the next operation. This plan was frustrated by the Home Office, which listed Dr Huges as an undesirable visitor to Britain and barred his entry. Amanda agreed to take his place. Soon after her return to London she helped Joey re-open the wound in his head and, by pressing the trepan with all her might against his skull, managed to get the spike to take hold and the saw- teeth to bite. Joey then took over at cranking the saw. Once again he had swallowed some LSD. After a long period of sawing, just as he was about to break through, he suddenly fainted. Amanda called an ambulance and he was taken to hospital, where horrified doctors told him that he was lucky to be alive and that if he had drilled a fraction of an inch further he would have killed himself. The psychiatrists took a particular interest in his case, and a group of them arranged to examine him. Before this could be done, he had to appear in court on a charge of possessing a small amount of cannabis. The magistrate demanded another psychiatrist's report and demanded him for a week in prison. There followed a period of embarrassment as the rumour went round London that Joey Mellen had trepanned himself, whereas in fact he had failed to do so. As soon as possible, therefore, he prepared for a third attempt. Proceeding as before, but now with the benefit of experience, he soon found the groove from the previous operation and began to saw through the sliver of bone separating him from enlightenment or, as the doctors had predicted, instant death. What followed is best quoted from _Bore Hole_. 'After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last! On closer inspection I saw that the disc of bone was much deeper on one side than on the other. Obviously the trepan had not been straight and had gone through at one point only, then the piece of bone had snapped off and come out. I was reluctant to start drilling again for fear of damaging the brain membranes with the deeper part while I was cutting through the rest or of breaking off a splinter. If only I had an electric drill it would have been so much simpler. Amanda was sure I was through. There seemed no other explanation for the schlurping noises I decided to call it a day. At the time I thought that any hole would do, no matter what size. I bandaged up my head and cleared away the mess.' There was still doubt in his mind as to whether he had really broken through and, if so, whether the hole was big enough to restore pulsation to his brain. The operation had left him with a feeling of wellbeing, but he realized that it could simply be from relief at having ended it. To put the matter beyond doubt, he decided to bore another hole at a new spot just above the hairline, this time using an electric drill. In the spring of 1970, Amanda was in America and Joey did the operation alone. He applied the drill to his forehead, but after half and hour's work the electric cable burnt out. Once again he was frustrated. An engineer in the flat below him was able to repair the instrument and next day he set out to finish the job. 'This time I was not in any doubt. The drill head went at least an inch deep through the hole. A great gush of blood followed my withdrawal of the drill. In the mirror I could see the blood in the hole rising and falling with the pulsation of the brain.' The result was all he had hoped for. During the next four hours he felt his spirits rising higher until he reached a state of freedom and serenity which he claims, has been with him ever since. For some time now he had been sharing a flat with Amanda, and when she came back from America she immediately noticed the change in him. This encouraged her to join him on the mental plane by doing her own trepanation. The operation was carefully recorded. She had obtained a cine-camera, and Joey stood by, filming, as she attacked her head with an electric drill. The film shows her carefully at work, dressed in a blood-spattered white robe. She shaves her head, makes an incision in her head with a scalpel and calmly starts drilling. Blood spurts as she penetrates the skull. She lays aside the drill and with a triumphant smile advances towards Joey and the camera. Ever since, Joey and amanda have lived and worked together in harmony. >>From the business of buying old prints to colour and resell, they have progressed to ownership of the Pigeonhole Gallery and seem reasonably prosperous. They have also started a family. There is nothing apparently abnormal about them, and many of their old friends agree in finding them even more pleasant and contented since their operations. There is plenty of leisure in their lives, mingled with the kind of activities they most enjoy. These of course include talking and writing about trepanation. They have lectured widely in Europe and America to groups of doctors and other interested people, showing the film of Amanda's self-operation, entitled _Heartbeat in the Brain_. It is generally received with awe, the sight of blood often causing people to faint. At one showing in London a film critic described the audience 'dropping off their seats one by one like ripe plums'. Yet it was not designed to be gruesome. The soundtrack is of soothing music, and the surgical scenes alternate with some delightful motion studies of Amanda's pet pigeon, Birdie, as a symbol of peace and wisdom." +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 15 10:08:56 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:08:56 -0400 Subject: trepanation Message-ID: For those who don't know, the reason we're discussing this here is that the Brain Surgeons (former BOC drummer Albert Bouchard's current band) second album was entitled "Trepanation". John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 15 10:35:21 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:35:21 -0700 Subject: BOC: European Cover of HF Message-ID: >Speakin' of the babe - Bolle mentioned on alt.music.blueoystercult that this picture is of Gaia (mentioned in the song, "Real World"). Eric Bloom mentioned something on AOL about this being some sort of well-known painting among some circles in the art world, but I don't think there's been any more discussion about it. John Gaia as in Mother Earth? The painting is certainly wrong then. I have seen Gaia in Marvel Comics (Thor's real mother) and she has dark hair. There is also the Whoppie Goldberg version from the cartoon series Captain Planet, again dark hair. But what do cartoons and comic books know? Can it be that BOC/CMC had no clue whatsoever on appropriate cover art for this cd? I am beginning to think so. Take two emerald green cats eyes on an all black background with the title See You In Black and we are on the one. Now that I think of it how many BOC titles were based on songs? Mirrors, FoUO,...man this allergy medication is kicking in and my brain is more imparied than usual. Someone finish this thought for me please... I like that European review of HF BTW... L8er Ghost in the Ruins ********************************* MOMENTS ON THE CAROUSEL MUST ADMIT WE RIDE IT WELL AND THE HORSES NEVER TELL ALL THROUGHOUT THE RIDE THAT NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES... ALIVE ********************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 05:39:14 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:39:14 +0100 Subject: FAO US hawkfans - trade deal? Message-ID: My US book account is empty and my normal way of topping it up is to arrange a trade with US hawkfans. What happens is that you tell me what Hawkwind CD's or LP's you'd like me to find. If I then find them, I send them to you and you pay for the goods and postage by sending a cheque in US Dollars to Laissez Faire Books in the US (at the exchange rate extant when I buy the goods). Given that UK CDs are expensive relative to US Cds this is normally useful only for CDs that you're unlikely to obtain in the US. I'm generally somewhat good at finding Hawkwind CDs ;-) This has the advantage to you of eliminating expensive bank conversion charges when buying UK goods and the reverse advantage for me when buying US books. So if you're up for such a trade then please email me your wants list... FoFP From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 15 07:44:38 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:44:38 +0000 Subject: trepanation Message-ID: Sorry I asked! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 11:47:22 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:47:22 +0100 Subject: trepanation In-Reply-To: Nick English's message of Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:23:53 +0000 Message-ID: Nick English writes: > I must have missed a post somewhere or something...What exactly IS > trepanation? It's pretty straightforward really. You shave your scalp, swab on a little surgical spirit, cut the flesh, peel it back and then take a Black & Decker drill to your skull with a masonry bit at slow speed. The game is to drill a hole in your skull without squishing your brain. Bonus points are awarded for each extra hole. The trick is that you have to remember that things are backwards in the mirror. > --Nick FoFP From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 15 20:12:32 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:12:32 -0700 Subject: OFF: preview of fear and loathing movie Message-ID: Indeed it was "Where The Buffalo Roam", it also featured Neil Young and had a rather splendid soundtrack. Crap film, mind. Zeit > Chris wrote: > > What was that other loosely Gonzo film with Bill Murray...Where the > Buffalo Roam or something....where's that at? From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 15 12:09:50 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:09:50 -0700 Subject: OFF:Trepping Message-ID: >There's going to be a guy on Howard Stern tomorrow who has done trepanation on himself... Theo, if there is a call in portion to this show be sure to mention tBS and ask this guy if they were his inspiration. Ghost in the Ruins ***************************************** MOMENTS ON THE CAROUSEL MUST ADMIT WE RIDE IT WELL AND THE HORSES NEVER TELL ALL THROUGHOUT THE RIDE THAT NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES... ALIVE Savatage - Paragons of Innocence ***************************************** From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 15 13:26:36 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:26:36 +0100 Subject: trepanation In-Reply-To: Nick English's message of Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:44:38 +0000 Message-ID: Nick English writes: > Sorry I asked! It was quite common at various periods of history - there's a skull from the Inca or Aztec period on display somewhere that has a semi precious stone plugging a trepanation hole - and the bone has grown around it so the guy must have survived a while. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From davmor at DELTANET.COM Wed Apr 15 13:59:24 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:59:24 -0700 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: I need to change my BOC-L subscription to my new address. How do I do this? Please note my new email address sdavmor at mcione.com Thanks Steven Davies-Morris -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 2:55 AM Subject: Re: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody >In article <3533DD50.967CA7F3 at blackboard.com>, SPRAWL > writes >>wasn't Gaynor the Damned a slave to his armour? >>rj > >Aren't we all? > >Ask Wilheim Reich. > > >-- >Jon > From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 15 08:29:44 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:29:44 +0200 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: > > Ask Wilheim Reich. > > > -- > Jon "Hey Bill, how're those Orgones doing today?" "Oh, not bad. You?" "Not sure." From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Apr 15 18:45:36 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:45:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: ooooh! I just got the remastered versions of Doremi and HotMG! I am off to listen to them now! (How much better are the remasters of XISOS and SR? I was thinking of replacing my originals) wal Anyone who's interested, I got them from ab-cd.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From dahl at AROS.NET Wed Apr 15 19:00:03 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:00:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: Post Dio Sab Message-ID: >>>Does anyone on the list have an opinion on post-Dio Black Sabbath? I, for one, much enjoy "post Dio" Sabbath. I pretty much like everything that Tony Iommi has done, but I find that Cross Purposes is the Sabbath album that I enjoy listening to more than the others. As far as playing Sabbath songs, my favorite is War Pigs (I play bass). Other favs to play are NIB, BS, Symptoms of the Universe, Killing Yourself to Live, Snowblind, Lord of this World (the cops would always show up when we'd play this), Into the Void and Tomorrows Dream. Backstreet Kid was always fun to play, but nobody could sing it! I was lucky enough to see the last show that Cozy played with Sabbath in LA on the Forbidden Tour. He was one of the best. I've always loved his drumming and it sounds like he was a damn fine person as well. Anybody on the list going to see Sabbath in St. Gallen Switzerland? Please email me if you are. I'm trying to find out how to get tickets. Brad Dahl OBFD: Trouble, Plastic Green Head "This basement needs a diving board" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From aseibert at RAEX.COM Thu Apr 16 02:29:22 1998 From: aseibert at RAEX.COM (aseibert@raex.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:29:22 -0700 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid and Responses Message-ID: This review and the scathing fanboy response :) is from a local weekly called SCENE. Their webpage is at: http://www.clevescene.com/ I did a cut and paste job here so if it looks funny on your screen I suggest you just go to the SCENE page to read them. The review is in the April 2nd issue and the letters are in the April 9th issue. Blue Oyster Cult HEAVEN FORBID CMC Sure, the youth market is a large chunk of the music industry, but must every single band cater to that audience? Especially such a well-weathered group as Blue Oyster Cult, whose first studio release in 10 years, HEAVEN FORBID, is a thinly veiled ploy to breathe new life into the aging rockers. There are moments of the old Blue Oyster Cult, such as "Harvest Moon" and "Real World," complete with the expected mystical references and haunting back-up harmonies that caused them to be among the first hard rock bands accused of Satanism, but unfortunately these are not the dominant tracks on the disc. Opening the 11-song album is "See You In Black," a disappointing tribute to the sound that destroyed metal in the late '80s. Apparently, they missed the reason why reliance on single-note bass lines and superficial lyrics about death went to the wayside, along with shouted and growled vocals, though they give it a second shot on HEAVEN FORBID with "Hammer Back." One assumes they thought, with the advent of Ozzy Osbourne and Slayer, that their sound needed to be more evil to keep up with their own once-glorious reputation, producing one of those odd twists of irony that has the forefathers of a rock movement then copying their own progeny. The current youth market is not likely to be fooled, nor is the loyal fan base of devotees Blue Oyster Cult have relied on through their last decade of silence. Sprinkled between these high and low points are a couple of solid cuts, such as "X-Ray Eyes" and "Live For Me," which have the more classic rock sound one would expect from Buck Dharma, Allen Lanier and Eric Bloom (sans the Bouchard brothers), topped with equal parts Blue Oyster Cult to generic rock and roll, best exemplified by "Damaged." With these songs, Blue Oyster Cult have done a fine job of producing more of that early '80s look-ma-we-can-still-play sound which so many of the '70s' biggest acts wallowed in. And being the bulk of the album, the overwhelming sensation the 45 minutes leaves you with is of the mediocrity of these songs, hardly what was once to be expected from Blue Oyster Cult. Ten years is probably too much time off, and one questions the wisdom of trying to recapture what a group had almost 30 years ago, after such a long lull in their creative processes. Long before MTV, BOC were heralded as one of the most visually oriented bands on the scene, but the group manages to disappoint even with this. The cover for HEAVEN FORBID is in the ilk of high school metalhead art students trying to push the limits of something no one else gets (or wants to get), leaving the viewer not scared or shocked, but rather disturbed at why the notion ever made a cover in the first place. The best advice to the band, at this point, seems to be "Don't fear the reaper." For the fans, their money would be best spent on a "Harvest Moon" single, should the record company deem it worthy of single release. As for HEAVEN FORBID -- well, cover to cover, the title sort of says it all. If not Heaven, then someone should have forbidden it. David Powers ----------------------------------------------------- FEEDBACK ----------------------------------------------------- Fight The Powers Mr. David Powers' review of the new Blue Oyster Cult album HEAVEN FORBID is way off base and definitely out of touch. The tracks "See You In Black" and "Hammer Back" are as hard hitting and current as any songs being released today by heavy metal bands. They are not ... "a disappointing tribute to the sound that destroyed metal in the late '80s." Then apparently bands like Metallica and Megadeath [sic] are complete disappointments also, even though they have great popularity. Just because BOC haven't had a new studio release in 10 years doesn't mean they aren't current with their sound and song writing. Don't hold that against them, as the delay in the new release was not totally their fault. Mr. Powers is definitely out of touch with statements like "The current youth market is not likely to be fooled, nor is the loyal fan base of devotees Blue Oyster Cult have relied on through their last decade of silence." First off, the youth market is liking this album, once they finally get a chance to hear it. Some examples have been record store employees and young patrons buying this album when it is played on the store's sound system, saying, "Who is this?" and immediately buying it. Several of the "Devotees" have witnessed this personally. Don't sell the younger people short, they recognize good music once they hear it. Secondly, the devotees are buying this album up and saying it is some of the best BOC that has ever been put out. They should know as most of them own everything BOC have released. This group is more subjective than one might give them credit for, if the album was lacking they would be the first ones to say so, and they haven't. Lastly, the band definitely has not been silent for 10 years, they have been actively touring and performing for at least the last 8 years. A little research would have shown this. HEAVEN FORBID is more than worth purchasing. For your information, a lot of record stores are selling out, because they didn't stock enough, and they are having to reorder. Sure foolin' 'em again. Jon Harper General Manager Harper's Guitars Apple Valley, California Still Blue In The Face David Powers' review of the new Blue Oyster Cult CD leaves me feeling like he'd rather hear the sound of his own voice than the sounds of a great rock band making a great rock album. While most CDs by today's hottest artists have one decent tune and 40 minutes of filler, all ten of the new songs on HEAVEN FORBID show why this band was - and apparently always will be - one of the most underrated bands of all time. "See You In Black," "Hammer Back" and "Power Underneath Despair" rock in an accessible way that most metal bands today can only dream of. "Harvest Moon" and "Live For Me" are classic BOC tunes in the vein of "Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Burnin' For You" - the band's only minor radio hits - melodic stories punctuated by searing guitar work. I am a longtime Blue Oyster Cult fan, and I can tell you I am not disappointed by this release. Anyone who has followed this band knows that they never stopped touring, and that their live shows continue to be the best bargain in rock and roll. Why? Because when you see this band live, you discover that they are a band with real musicians whose songs actually sound even better in concert than they do on a CD. HEAVEN FORBID rocks. I suggest that Mr. Powers give it another listen. Put it on the ol' CD player and crank it up a little bit. If he'd still rather listen to Shinola, well then I'll just have to file his review under "consider the source." Ralph Vizcarra Long Beach, CA Enough Already David Powers is way the hell off base with his review of BOC's HEAVEN FORBID. The real fans of Blue Oyster Cult love it. If you don't believe me, check out AOL's BOC folder and read the postings, David. And they haven't taken 10 years off, they've toured steadily since their last new recording. Say whatever you want to, we've been looking forward to this disc for a long time and consider it great. Sean Eddy Portland, MI -- L8r, Alan -- Visit the Martian John homepage: http://web.raex.com/~aseibert Martian music at it's finest. From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Apr 16 00:38:31 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:38:31 -0500 Subject: Buck Dharma - Flat Out Message-ID: I stumbled across an Internet Music Site this evening which made special mention that it had a limited quantity of the Flat Out CD (Cut out) available. Being that this is a fairly hard to get CD, I thought I would mention it here incase anyone wanted a copy. I have no connection of any sort with anyone........... just passing along info. The WWW site was JART MUSIC http://www.jartmusic.com For what it is worth, this site specialized in Heavy Metal/Hard Rock and had an extensive listing, including BOC and Hawkwind CD's. From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Apr 16 01:48:44 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:48:44 +0200 Subject: test Message-ID: test From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Apr 16 03:53:27 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:53:27 +0200 Subject: trepanation In-Reply-To: <199804151547.QAA25808@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Apr 15, 98 04:47:22 pm Message-ID: M Holmes har 'zegd: > > Nick English writes: > > > I must have missed a post somewhere or something...What exactly IS > > trepanation? > > It's pretty straightforward really. You shave your scalp, swab on a > little surgical spirit, cut the flesh, peel it back and then take a > Black & Decker drill to your skull with a masonry bit at slow speed. The > game is to drill a hole in your skull without squishing your brain. > Bonus points are awarded for each extra hole. > > The trick is that you have to remember that things are backwards in the > mirror. > > > --Nick > > FoFP Heh, heh, sure... One thing that crossed my mind last night: there's a Dutch saying, 'Hij heeft een gaatje in zijn hoofd', literally 'he's got a hole in his head', which means that he's gone (slightly) mad. All this puts the word 'unplugged' in a brand new context :-) Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Apr 16 00:32:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:32:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Post Dio Sab Message-ID: > Anybody on the list going to see Sabbath in St. Gallen Switzerland? Please > email me if you are. I'm trying to find out how to get tickets. > > Brad Dahl Brad, Is Tony Martin singing? What's the deal with him and his on-again, off-again status? I think I'd have long ago gotten sick of being shelved every couple of years the way he has. --Nick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Apr 16 08:43:47 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:43:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Another positive HF review Message-ID: > This review was in the Rochester, NY edition > of TymeOut Magazine. Re-typed with all errors > intact... > -Brian ------------------------------- > By Ralph W. Tetta > > It's amazing how classic rock radio can > sometimes serve as an echo of our past lives, > when a song comes on the radio in the car > and suddenly you're whisked back into your > childhood or adolescence faster than a U.F.O. > can disappear from a radar screen. Blue Oyster > Cult, the five-piece rock band formed at University > of Stony Brook in 1967, is one of those bands, with > numerous top 40 singles and rock classics to their > credit that will probably continue to be played on the > radio long after they (and we) are gone. You know > the marching order; "Burnin' For You," "(Don't Fear) > The Reaper," "Cities on Flame With Rock & Roll," > and "Godzilla." Blue Oyster Cult forged it's way through > three decades of rock 'n' roll, with dozens of albums to > it's credit, all the way up to the concept album "Imaginos" > in 1988, and then, after having played huge stadium tours > opening for the likes of Black Sabbath (featuring Ronnie > James Dio) and Alice Cooper, the band broke up. > Drummer and Bass Player Albert and Joe Bouchard > grew tired of touring, and pursued other projects, while > Lead Vocalist Eric Bloom, Lead Guitarist Don "Buck > Dharma" Roeser and Keyboardist/Guitarist Allen > Lanier continued to play rock concert night clubs and > "The Cult Brothers," and them sometime in the mid 1990's, > grew tired and decided to call it a day. > > The story doesn't end there, however, and the band > and a record label called CMC International became > involved with each other. CMC, already critcally > acclaimed for dusting off 1980's hard rock heavyweights > such as Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Saxon, > got behind Blue Oyster Cult and proudly released their > comeback CD, "Heaven Forbid," minus the Bouchard > Brothers but featuring hard rock drummers Bobby > Rondinelli and Chuck Burgi and new bassist Danny > Miranda. > > "Heaven Forbid" is a perfect throwback to Blue Oyster > Cult's melodic yet dark song writing style, crafting songs > with pop hooks and vocal harmonies while mixing in the > dark lyrics that have made the band a fan favorite to hard > rockers for three generations. The album begins with a > track called "See You In Black," a love song directed at > a spousal-abused woman. Bloom sings on that if she were > dressed in black, he would know her husband was dead, > and he could save her from her band marriage. Not exactly > the love theme from the Titanic, but BOC never traded in > pithy pop imagery anyway. > > Other topics that are touched upon by the Cult's unique > style are hand-gun control (they're against it,) drug > addiction as a rite of passage for rock 'n' rollers (they're > against it,) the victims of drunk driving (they're against it,) > a song about a man out of prison and his quest for > venegance for the man who sent him there, and a 1950's > horror film called "The Man With X-Ray Eyes" (they like it). > Bloom's voice is strong and sure as he soars over the > melodic guitar playing of himself, Dharma and Lanier, and > at times, the signature sound will call up visions of Don > Henley's "Boys of Summer" and other times, Ozzy > Osbourne or Don Dokken. Musically, the Cult touch > everything from speed metal riffs (a first for them) to the > subtle acoustic guitar of the album's closing song, "In Thee." > This album should appeal to anyone who enjoys the X-Files, > the supernatural, heavy metal, or any sort of unexplained > phenomena as a substitute for the shoegazing angst of > modern rock or the insipid pablum of contemporary top 40. > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 16 04:55:23 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:55:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Walrus writes >ooooh! I just got the remastered versions of Doremi and HotMG! I am off >to listen to them now! (How much better are the remasters of XISOS and >SR? I was thinking of replacing my originals) All 5 remasters are suberb. I can think of no other re-mastering project that has been such a profound improvement on the originals. Not The Byrds, Floyd, Zeppelin, Kinks, The Who, et interminably cetera. SR is as improved as Doremi. Get all 5. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 16 11:21:36 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:21:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: On tor 16 apr 1998 09.55 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > All 5 remasters are suberb. I can think of no other re-mastering project > that has been such a profound improvement on the originals. Not The > Byrds, Floyd, Zeppelin, Kinks, The Who, et interminably cetera. SR is > as improved as Doremi. Get all 5. What he said :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Apr 16 12:18:56 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:18:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Post Dio Sab Message-ID: > Brad, > > Is Tony Martin singing? What's the deal with him and his on-again, > off-again status? I think I'd have long ago gotten sick of being shelved every > couple of years the way he has. Nick, This is the "re-formed" Black Sabbath with Ozzy singing, and hopefully Bill Ward on drums (you never know until they hit the stage who will be drumming). They are touring Europe in June playing mostly festivals. So far, they are scheduled to do one show in the States, I believe in Minnesota. I think Tony Martin's Sabbath days are over, but who knows anymore. I really like Tony M's vocals and hope he gets something going. Rock out, Brad From micci at SCI.FI Thu Apr 16 12:39:20 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:39:20 +0300 Subject: HW: essential websites Message-ID: Jill writes: >Incidentally I've just done a check on http://www.hawkwind.com and there >is now a one-sentence statement that reads "Any questions can be >E-mailed to actonium at dial.pipex.com" > >Would that be Actonium Doug Smith perhaps? Hi! I just look Bedouin cd booklet and there was that email address under EBS! obcd- Kingston Wall- Tri-Logy Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 16 13:28:56 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:28:56 PDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: Has anyone heard the current Geezer Butler album Geezer "Black Science"????? It's pretty obvious what the title is saying, but I really can't make up my mind about the music. Help. How many comeback/retirement tours is Ozzy gonna do with himself, Sabbath, or anyone? I know he won't be able to get rock'n'roll out of his blood, so why the hell does he keep telling us he's finished. We know he's not, and we certainly don't need the threat of a "last ever Ozz concert" to fork out the beans for a gig. Ozzy's an institution, just like 3OC, HW and (sshhhhhh) Rush - we're _never_ gonna stop watching and they're never gonna stop touring. Full bleeding stop. OBCD...Cheese Junkies _Lounge Lizard_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Apr 16 21:39:22 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:39:22 -0700 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: "Black Science" took a while to get into, but it was well worth it. Not as instantly accessible as "Plastic Planet", but both albums show who was the real musical force in Sabbath. I'm just irritated it took so long for Geezer to show us the truth. Zeit Horse Whisperer wrote: > > Has anyone heard the current Geezer Butler album > Geezer "Black Science"????? > It's pretty obvious what the title is saying, but I really can't make up > my mind about the music. > Help. > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 16 13:51:46 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:51:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science In-Reply-To: <3536B2CA.410C@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > From: Stuart Hamilton > "Black Science" took a while to get into, but it was well worth it. > Not as instantly accessible as "Plastic Planet", but both albums show > who was the real musical force in Sabbath. I'm just irritated it > took so long for Geezer to show us the truth. > I knew Geezer wrote most of the lyrics to the early stuff, probably a lot of the riffs too, but Tony's always had that sound... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 16 14:02:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:02:33 EDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science In-Reply-To: <19980416172856.18098.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: From: Horse Whisperer > How many comeback/retirement tours is Ozzy gonna do with himself, > Sabbath, or anyone? I know he won't be able to get rock'n'roll out of > his blood, so why the hell does he keep telling us he's finished. We This month's Guitar World says he just got Zakk back into the band--great big fucking surprise, seeing how Zakk's solo career dove like a submarine! Gotta wonder how Ozzy's able to keep jerking everyone off and getting away with it? For sure he wants to do a tour with Sab, and, considering how their fortunes have waned lately, will jump at the chance. Ozzy's sure blessed with incredible luck, eh? Sab needs him, Zakk needs him. The guy's a total wanker who can't even sing anymore, and everything he touches turns to gold. BOC have to wait 10 years to make a record, and tBS are playing clubs smaller than my living room. It's a world gone mad... > know he's not, and we certainly don't need the threat of a "last ever > Ozz concert" Go ahead...make my day! to fork out the beans for a gig. Ozzy's an institution, > just like... Rush - we're _never_ gonna stop > watching speak fer yerself, buddy-boy! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 16 15:15:22 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:15:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: On tor 16 apr 1998 14.02 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > This month's Guitar World says he just got Zakk back into the > band--great big fucking surprise, seeing how Zakk's solo career dove > like a submarine! He should have kept Pride & Glory going! That was a great band and could have gotten somewhere if he'd kept at it, I think. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 16 15:17:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:17:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: On tor 16 apr 1998 18.39 -0700 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > "Black Science" took a while to get into, but it was well worth it. > Not as instantly accessible as "Plastic Planet", Actually, I had exactly the opposite experience. I got into _Black Science_ much faster than _Plastic Planet_. Some of that may be because I don't like most of Burton C. Bell's vocals :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 16 16:16:25 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:16:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: >Gotta wonder how Ozzy's able to keep jerking everyone off and getting away with it? For sure he wants to do a tour with Sab, and, considering how their fortunes have waned lately, will jump at the chance. Ozzy's sure blessed with incredible luck, eh? Sab needs him, Zakk needs him. The guy's a total wanker who can't even sing anymore, and everything he touches turns to gold. BOC have to wait 10 years to make a record, and tBS are playing clubs smaller than my living room. It's a world gone mad... Ozzy never really could sing... but I think he's kind of like a "father figure" to the metal crowd these days - the guy that's been there, done that, and still keeps going for whatever reason. Either that, or he's the clown prince of metal. I don't know - but, hell, if the guy wants to rock and roll, let him. I've paid only cursory attention to his career over the last 10 years, but if he wants to keep it going in whatever form, what the hell. I did buy his "Live and Loud" double CD from a few years back. Wasn't really impressed with it - seems that Ozzy sort of turned into this "angry" dude since he swore off the booze - every other word on the CD, when he wasn't singing was "fuck". Hey, I don't find that offensive - it just sounded stupid (er, fucking stupid). John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Apr 16 16:57:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:57:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: John said: >I did buy his "Live >and Loud" double CD from a few years back. Wasn't really impressed >with it - seems that Ozzy sort of turned into this "angry" dude since >he swore off the booze - every other word on the CD, when he wasn't >singing was "fuck". Hey, I don't find that offensive - it just sounded >stupid (er, fucking stupid). >From various interviews I've seen with Ozzy, I have a vague feeling he never spent much time studying Quantum Physics at Oxford. I was shocked that the person who seemed so out of it in the interviews I saw could write the lyrics (the better ones, anyway) of the early Sab albums. But thanks to BOC-L (teacher, entertainment, fat-free religious cult substitute) I now know that Geezer wrote most of the lyrics, and another mystery has been solved. ;-) Brian obTAPE> Black Sabbath "Paranoid" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2592 bytes Desc: not available URL: From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Apr 17 01:58:01 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:58:01 -0500 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:15:43 -0400 "Hall, Russell J" wrote: >Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, >but it seems to just be compilations. If you're looking for a better list of HW albums to -purchase- in the U.S., I suggest CDConnection or CDWorld (web addresses obvious). Not only do they both have better selections than CDNow, their prices are also much better. Damon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 17 01:15:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:15:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: X-Ray Message-ID: Just to bring everybody back to BOC...Just wondering: Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! Also, just in case anyone cares, I gave Heaven Forbid the acid test recently. I shelved it for a full week, then went back to it. It passed. I still think it's great. Not the best, but definitely BOC...and after all these years of waiting, I'm satisfied. --Nick From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri Apr 17 05:16:36 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:16:36 +0200 Subject: BOC: X-Ray In-Reply-To: <19980417091034.AAA3839@[208.214.94.90]> from "Nick English" at Apr 17, 98 05:15:47 am Message-ID: Nick English har 'zegd: > > Just to bring everybody back to BOC...Just wondering: > > Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? > This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! Yes, definitely. Eventho the lyrics are a bit on the silly side.... > Also, just in case anyone cares, I gave Heaven Forbid the acid test > recently. I shelved it for a full week, then went back to it. It > passed. I still think it's great. Not the best, but definitely > BOC...and after all these years of waiting, I'm satisfied. It's still growing on me.... not yet ready for the acid test. My feeling is that it's one great album. Musically, it's as diverse as the ones they made before On Your Feet.. Put it all in perspective, I feel that we're sort of missing an album. Maybe we should put that in our mythology: BOC was abducted in the early nineties to record an album for the Plutonians.... :-) > > --Nick Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 05:25:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:25:41 PDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: Theo sed: >Horse Whisperer claimed: >> just like... Rush - we're _never_ gonna stop >> watching > >speak fer yerself, buddy-boy! > I only included this because I reckon there has to be _some_ reason Rush & their fans keep going. One listen to Xanadu on Exit Stage Left was enough for me forever. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 17 06:31:39 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:31:39 +1000 Subject: BOC: X-Ray Message-ID: At 05:15 17/04/98 +0000, Nick English wrote: >Just to bring everybody back to BOC...Just wondering: > >Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? >This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! I am. I love it...and i sing it at work and my crew are starting to sing it too but they have never heard it! Funny, uh? Troy > >Also, just in case anyone cares, I gave Heaven Forbid the acid test >recently. I shelved it for a full week, then went back to it. It >passed. I still think it's great. Not the best, but definitely >BOC...and after all these years of waiting, I'm satisfied. > >--Nick > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 05:29:12 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:29:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: X-Ray In-Reply-To: <19980417091034.AAA3839@[208.214.94.90]> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Nick English wrote: > > Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? > This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! > I only picked up HF last weekend, but have given it a few spins since. And I agree, for me X-Ray Eyes is one of the stand-out tracks. It's actually a perfect pop gem - fun lyrics, plus a strong melody underpinned by smart rythmic shifts that keep the listeners' ear interested. I dunno how easy it is for a band like BOC to get radio play these days, but of the tracks on HF this really ought to be a contender as a single. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 17 05:42:23 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:42:23 PDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: Mr. C.E. Anderson mentioned to us the following.... > He should have kept Pride & Glory going! That was a great band and >could have gotten somewhere if he'd kept at it, I think. > The album was awesome, a guy I used to work with was the biggest Ozz-nut I have ever met, so he just collected any related paraphernalia he could get his hands on, and Pride and Glory was one of the finest. Zak's voice is superb, really Southern and growly, thick and powerful. And there isn't really anything I can say about his playing that hasn't been said before, he is a monster spanker. The material just said Southern Swagger to me, like ZZTop from '70-'73 with late 90's production values and sounds. Yum. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Apr 17 06:18:54 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:18:54 -0400 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: I suggest Jim Lasko @ strange trips. prices are standard, but it is all in support of the band. Cdconnection or Cdworld is -not- going to help hawkwind come to the states. Just a suggestion.... Jim's e-mail: jmfinity at now-online.com 216-252-6148 ps: this is not a shameless plug. this is just an option that i am aware of, that i thought might be useful to you. rj DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:15:43 -0400 "Hall, Russell J" > wrote: > > >Where can I get/see a good discography? I have tried CD-Now, > >but it seems to just be compilations. > > If you're looking for a better list of HW albums to -purchase- > in the U.S., I suggest CDConnection or CDWorld (web addresses > obvious). Not only do they both have better selections than > CDNow, their prices are also much better. > > Damon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 07:23:59 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:23:59 EDT Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science In-Reply-To: <19980417092541.11319.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > > Theo sed: > >Horse Whisperer claimed: > >> just like... Rush - we're _never_ gonna stop > >> watching > > > >speak fer yerself, buddy-boy! > > > > I only included this because I reckon there has to be _some_ reason Rush > & their fans keep going. One listen to Xanadu on Exit Stage Left was > enough for me forever. > > > Chris. > What, no honorable mention for By-Tor and the Snow Dog? theo From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 07:46:55 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:46:55 +0100 Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: <19980417091034.AAA3839@[208.214.94.90]> Message-ID: A little belated now perhaps, but I wanted to share my reaction to HF..... I've really had to give HF several spins before committing pixel to cyberspace. Not only has it been such a long wait for the new BOC album, with all the weight of expectations that entails, but on initial listening one cannot but help making comparisons with BOC's back catalogue. Now, after several listens, some of my initial thoughts have indeed changed whilst others have become reinforced. Anyway.... Overall impressions first. I was immediately struck by the apparent division between the poppier numbers, sung by Buck, and the heavier ones, sung by Eric. On first listening I was rather disappointed by this; the pop numbers seemed rather un-BOC whilst some of the heavier stuff didn't compare so well with the BOC of old. Now, though, I'm beginning to find songs like X-Ray Eyes and Real World irresistible. And there's clearly a link with some of the post_AOF output where a less heavy approach became evident on songs like "I Love the Night", "Moon Crazy", "In Thee" and "Burnin' for You" (to name a few). And some of the harder numbers do stand up on repeated listenings, notably "See You in Black", which grabs immediately, and "Cold Grey Light of Dawn" which has really grown on me. That said, there are a few numbers which, although they might be solid enough for most bands, don't quite represent the cut-above that we've come to expect from BOC. I'm thinking here of "Power Underneath Despair", "Hammer Back" and "Live for Me". The first two of these are enjoyable enough heavy metal numbers, with "Hammer Back" being particularly catchy", but they seem to lack two things: first, they don't have the lyrical *strangeness* that we've come to associate with BOC, and second, the music itself lacks the inventiveness that we've come to love in songs such as "Monsters" and "Shadow of California" (to choose two songs more or less at random). Similarly, "Live for Me" wouldn't have sounded out of place on Buck's solo album, or on MTV, but is really musically rather too MOR for a BOC album. Lyrically, several of the songs exhibit a degree of repetition in the lyrics that hasn't been seen before. On some songs the music and the lyrics have a strength of their own that allows the repetition to slip by unnoticed (e.g. SYIB, HM), but on others the repetition is rather clunky by BOC standards (PUD, HB). Finally, here's my reaction to each individual song: See You in Black: A real stormer. A strong lyric, sung with gusto and driven along by Buck and the rythm section. I love the neat little guitar fill just before the second verse. 9/10 Harvest Moon: As Sandy Pearlman was quoted as saying in Goldmine, this is a song of genius. I can't imagine anybody else who would write a lyric like this. Starting off as an innocuous piece of history, we slowly get hints that something more is going on, a feeling that is enhanced by the sudden change of pace as the song breaks into the first of three connected guitar breaks, with the second and third breaks building on the excitement of the previous one. Finally, the last verse hauntingly confirms that there is indeed some Evil present, though what exactly is left to our imaginations. A characteristic A-minor Buck Dharma song, it's ringing open G is reminiscent of Don't Fear the Reaper. Perfect. 10/10 Power Underneath Despair: After the superlative nature of what precedes, the plodding opening bars of PUD are an immediate disappointment, and although Eric turns in a strong vocal performance this song never rises above the level of competent hard rock. 6/10 X-Ray Eyes: An excellent pop number that revives the Sci-Fi/B-movie interest first seen on Spectres. This one impresses more and more with repeated listening. Its neat lyric is given weight by a strong melody and a series of rythmic changes that belie the song's essential simplicity. 9/10 Hammer Back: This is a catchy hard-rock number. The lyric is good, though not particularly distinguished. However, the song is swept along by an enthusiastic band performance, particularly Buck Dharma's guitar break, that goes some way to disguising the fact that this isn't really an exceptional song. 7/10 Damaged: Buck Dharma always gives the impression of being quite an easy-going mild-mannered sort of guy, so this song is kind of "out of character" for him. Hard to imagine a less damaged person! Nevertheless, like Henry Fonda in Once Upon a Time in the West, it's good to take on a change in role now and again. And Buck does it well. The spoken intro comes as something of a surprise, lending a very personal feel that is unusual for BOC but which suits the song. After that the song drives along nicely and happily, given it's simple rythmic pattern, resists any temptation to drag out the length and outstay it's welcome. Cold Grey Light of Dawn: I have a live tape of this from a few years back, and have never been overly-impressed. So it came as a nice surprise to find that the studio version is a piece of some quality. A gloomily atmospheric number with a strong lyric, this is the kind of song where BOC show that heavy rock can rise above the usual cliches. I suspect the younger audience will be more impressed by "Hammer Back" though. 8/10 Real World: Lyrically, this seems like a perfect Buck Dharma song, though presumably most of the writing was done by John Shirley, who is mentioned first in the credits. A song about various wierd phenomena, this song is clearly aimed at the X-Files/Fortean enthusiasts. However, the real surprise is in the music itself, with it's country/bluesish acoustic guitar rythm and Buck's lazily drawled vocal. 8/10 Live for Me: Again, although Shirley gets first mention in the credits, this seems like a typical Buck number. It's a song about a guy who's brother lays dying after a car smash: his final words are "Live for me". Thematically, it seems not a million miles from "Your Loving Heart" from Buck's solo album. That said, on this song the music lets the lyrics down: it's very MOR and thus rather dull - the one song on the album that I shall probably skip in future. Still Burnin': Buck Dharma goes into ZZ Top mode. I can't honestly say that this is really a BOC number. On the other hand, it's thoroughly irresistible, so what the hell. 9/10 In Thee (live): As if to prove that the lighter approach has always been a part of BOC's repertoire, the boys reprise this Mirrors song in an acoustic version. A piece of nostalgia really, for some reason played half a tone lower than the original (that's if my guitar is tuned correctly) and with a fluffed lyric (no studio overdubs here, mate!). 6/10 Overall album rating: 7/10 ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 17 09:09:05 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:09:05 -0700 Subject: BOC: HF Review not kind Message-ID: > The cover for HEAVEN FORBID is in the ilk of high school metalhead art students trying to push the limits of something no one else gets (or wants to get), leaving the viewer not scared or shocked, but rather disturbed at why the notion ever made a cover in the first place. Well at least he was accurate about the cover. >Anybody on the list going to see Sabbath in St. Gallen Switzerland? Please email me if you are. I'm trying to find out how to get tickets. Brad Dahl I hear Savatage will be opening for Sab on portions of the European tour. If you are not familiar with this band and they are playing this gig, don't miss them. They'll play Sabbath under the stage. C'ya tonite TA... Ghost in the Ruins *************************************** MOMENTS ON THE CAROUSEL MUST ADMIT WE RIDE IT WELL AND THE HORSES NEVER TELL ALL THROUGHOUT THE RIDE THAT NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES... ALIVE ************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 17 09:19:13 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: Review of HF Message-ID: Dave: Pretty good review - I could quibble with some of your comments, but of course the point of BOC-L is to discuss this. Of course, while I may be part "critical music fan", the "unabashed fanboy" side keeps coming out when I listen to Heaven Forbid. Of course, after some 50 spins in the player, maybe I'm not as enthusiastic as I was on March 24th - hmm... NOPE! Still love this album, and give it a 10 out of 10, despite the fact that I probably agree with some of your comments. Here's a few of my reactions to your review: >I was immediately struck by the apparent division between the poppier numbers, sung by Buck, and the heavier ones, sung by Eric. I noticed this less than you did - partly because at least the Buck-sung songs vary pretty widely across the musical spectrum. Stylistically, "Harvest Moon" is totally different from "Real World", which is totally different from "Damaged", which is totally different from "Live for Me"... The Eric-sung numbers, on the other hand, seem much more related musically. >That said, there are a few numbers which, although they might be solid enough for most bands, don't quite represent the cut-above that we've come to expect from BOC. I'm thinking here of "Power Underneath Despair", "Hammer Back" and "Live for Me". Fan's individual favorites (or choice for the album's "bottom feeders") range from fan to fan. Many fans think "Live for Me" should be the next single, while many seem to dismiss "Still Burnin'", for example. >The first two of these are enjoyable enough heavy metal numbers, with "Hammer Back" being particularly catchy" Yeah, I think "Hammer Back" would make a great addition to the live set. >but they seem to lack two things: first, they don't have the lyrical *strangeness* that we've come to associate with BOC Part of this is probably John Shirley's lyrics, but perhaps the way BOC arranged them didn't help either. Never the less, the lyrical area is where everyone seems to compare HF with BOC's back catalog (despite your own attempts to not do so by not posting a review after only a few listens, yet you, like many, have fallen into the trap of comparing them anyway). But, this is BOC in the 90s, not the 70s, and while Pearlman and Meltzer leave big lyrical shoes to fill, I think John Shirley's lyrics fit the bill for the most part, and give a nice modern feel to the overall sound -- besides, the repetitiveness of the lyrics is helpful for us "old farts" that can't remeber as much... ;-) >and second, the music itself lacks the inventiveness that we've come to love in songs such as "Monsters" and "Shadow of California" (to choose two songs more or less at random) But you randomly chose 2 songs from the "Bouchard catalog"... Personally, I found many inventive musical moments on the CD (the odd time signature usage of SYIB and PUD, the "transmaniacon" break in HM, the speed-riffs in Damaged), but maybe not to the same level or frequency as the past - then again, the back catalog is so etched in our brains... >Similarly, "Live for Me" wouldn't have sounded out of place on Buck's solo album, or on MTV, but is really musically rather too MOR for a BOC album. If you think a song like "Burnin' for You" is also too MOR for a BOC album, then maybe I can agree with your statement. This song sounds like it was written to be on Flat Out, or maybe Club Ninja - and would've been one of the better tracks on either of those albums. >See You in Black: A real stormer. A strong lyric, sung with gusto and driven along by Buck and the rythm section. I love the neat little guitar fill just before the second verse. 9/10 I heard "Shakin' All Over" on the radio the other day (done by The Who? Somebody help me out on this...) - and I HEARD that fill!!! Right after the singer goes, "Shaaaakin' aaaallll overrrr..." there's this little guitar fill and I went, "where have I heard that recently? WHOAH!") >Harvest Moon: As Sandy Pearlman was quoted as saying in Goldmine, this is a song of genius. I can't imagine anybody else who would write a lyric like this. In a back issue of Morning Final, it says that this is a Meltzer lyric, but I doubt that. Meltzer isn't credited on the album, and it just doesn't have any of that weirdness that I expect from him. But, probably something I'm gonna have to research... >Damaged: I like your assessment of this track (my personal fave from HF), however you gave it (as well as "Live for Me") no numerical score. Oversight? >Cold Grey Light of Dawn: I have a live tape of this from a few years back, and have never been overly-impressed. So it came as a nice surprise to find that the studio version is a piece of some quality. A gloomily atmospheric number with a strong lyric, this is the kind of song where BOC show that heavy rock can rise above the usual cliches. BINGO!! Like you, the live renditions I heard of this left me feeling flat about the tune (especially the way Eric sang "light of dawn" live - musically it sounded like he was off-key on this part) - but the HF version is excellent - powerful vocals, throbbing bass and drums, fuzzy guitars and a great "airiness" about it. >Still Burnin': Buck Dharma goes into ZZ Top mode. I can't honestly say that this is really a BOC number. On the other hand, it's thoroughly irresistible, so what the hell. Yeah, this has the weakest track for many. However, I find it just so infectious that I can't help but love it - maybe also because this is the first of the "new" numbers I actually saw BOC do live (back in '94). >Overall album rating: 7/10 Despite any agreements I might have with your more critical assessments of the album, it will be a 10/10 in my books always. Then again, I'd probably do the same for Club Ninja (o.k., maybe I'd give it a 9...) ;-) John From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 09:56:07 1998 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:56:07 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up (long) Message-ID: Hi, Thought I'd come out from the realms of lurkdom to add a few thoughts of my own. I think that the band have been in freefall since Electric Tepee. I still rate this album, and can remember thinking that it was better than it had any real right to be at the time (given the disappointment of Space Bandits). Even so, the danger signs were there with the rehashed lyrics/songs starting to appear (Mask Of Morning = Mirror Of Illusion, Secret Agent = On The Case). IITBOTFTBD: Solved the lyrical problems! Gave us an album of bland ambient noodling. More Rehashed lyrics. As for Gimme Shelter -- Why? White Zone: Maybe should discount this as it didn't claim to be a Hawkwind album. Alien 4: Sorry, but I've got a real problem with this album, as I think the rot really started here. Of the new stuff, I really only like Alien (I am) and Sputnik Stan -- (and the riff from Xenomorph). The rest of it was fairly uninspired (and in the case of Beam Me Up, bloody embarrassing). As a concept, the tried and tested alien theme smacked of a band bereft of new ideas. Willing to give RT a chance though. Loss of Alan Davey is major blow musically and lyrically -- if not vocally ;-) Distant Horizons: Better than I thought it was going to be, with a couple of good tracks (Wheels, Reptoid Vision (apart from the lyrics)). Unfortunately, it seems as though it's been cobbled together and rushed out half finished. Dave's contribution is piss poor (he sounds bored/uninterested), RT's lyrics are inane, and do we really need another version of Love In Space! Band in creative nadir. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that none of these albums have increased their fan base. In fact the opposite seems to be the case: dwindling sales, smaller venues, all leading to the problems on the last tour. I realise that the annual two sold out nights at Hammersmith are now a thing of the past, but it's not that long since they were selling out decent sized venues. Finally, with Dave now seemingly suffering from permanent writers block, nobody else is supporting him. I think he needs someone else in the band to spark off (as he did with Calvert). At the moment, nobody seems to fit the bill. As such, the lack of new (preferably intelligent) lyrics is a major problem. The only way by which I can see the mothership taking off again is for Dave to take the controls, both lyrically and on stage (he may as well not have been there last tour -- and most people who go to see Hawkwind want to see Dave). He needs to get some talented people into the band -- sorry Ron and Captain Rizz, but you don't cut it. Get a full time keyboard player -- come back Harvey? I dunno. Maybe I'm expecting too much of him now. After all, he has been churning stuff out for nigh on 30 years. To be honest, if this is the way it's going to be in future, I'd rather they called it a day, otherwise they are in real danger of becoming a sad parody of a brilliant innovative band (and I don't think I could bear for that to happen). Anyway. Just my thoughts for what they are worth. If I sound overly harsh in places, it's only because I care and would love to be proven wrong. Sorry about the length of the post -- I got a bit carried away!! Cheers John From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Apr 17 10:25:41 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:25:41 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: Just thought I'd chip in on this thread. Tepee - I'm afraid I can take or leave this album. Sure, it does have some high spots (Right to Decide, LSD), but some of the noodling (Garden Pests), just do nothing for me. I saw HW at Brixton at the time of ET, & thought that despite the album, the band were flying high creatively. The stage show, lights, and reinterpretations of oldies were spot on. I also caught the Hawks on the Buisness tour, & was impressed how 'fat' a sound the trio could make with sequencers etc. after that, I lost interest for a few years, completely missing Alien & tours. In fact, I only really got back into them full time last year, on the DH tour. I thought that the band were still spot on. Yes, I'd prefer to see Dave out front, with his guitar, but even so, they were bloody good. Jerry can play, and hopefully Crum will become a permanent fixture. I especially enjoyed the poetry, something I feel had been neglectedthe lat time I'd seen them. Now if they only had RC still alive to write some new poems... As for the album, I still like it. I agree it sounds a bit rushed, & LiS just begs to be skipped, as its the kind of tat you hear in lifts, or shops. Ugh ! I don't think I'll ever give up on this band, you never know whats round the corner..... Hopefull for the future, Neil. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Apr 17 11:34:53 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:34:53 +0200 Subject: HW: low points and giving up (long) In-Reply-To: <199804171356.OAA11578@osiris.cis.sund.ac.uk.> Message-ID: on 17/04/98, John: ))I think that the band have been in freefall since Electric Tepee. I ))still rate this album, and can remember thinking that it was better ))than it had any real right to be at the time (given the ))disappointment of Space Bandits). Even so, the danger signs were ))there with the rehashed lyrics/songs starting to appear (Mask Of ))Morning = Mirror Of Illusion, Secret Agent = On The Case). etc I I agree with you at more than 100 % ! ! ! Just one thing: HW seems much better this time, on stage than in studio recordings. Olivier -- via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Apr 17 10:33:08 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:33:08 +0100 Subject: low points and giving up === Message-ID: I think that the best stuff that they were doing was in 1984 when they did the Stonehenge gig. They should go back to this 'rocky' format rather than the large amount of sequenced stuff that they are doing at the moment ( as a 'dance' music composer myself I do like this material but think that it is better in it's natural environment i.e. a nightclub, although when one has had a few too many illegal substances it can be quite pleasant to just sit back and relax whilst the waves of sound waft over you..... ). I liked the Chronical of the Black Sword tour stuff as well. Dave has definitely taken a back seat these days, preferring to hide behind his keyboards rather than being out front playing the guitar and singing. Maybe its an effect of old age.... 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If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Apr 17 10:41:53 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:41:53 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up (long) === Message-ID: To add my contribution; I think that the best stuff that they were doing was in 1984 when they did the Stonehenge gig. They should go back to this 'rocky' format rather than the large amount of sequenced stuff that they are doing at the moment ( as a 'dance' music composer myself I do like this material but think that it is better in it's natural environment i.e. a nightclub, although when one has had a few too many illegal substances it can be quite pleasant to just sit back and relax whilst the waves of sound waft over you..... ). I liked the Chronical of the Black Sword tour stuff as well. Dave has definitely taken a back seat these days, preferring to hide behind his keyboards rather than being out front playing the guitar and singing. Maybe its an effect of old age.... Richard. *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 11:51:29 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:51:29 +0000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up (long) Message-ID: On fre 17 apr 1998 14.56 +0100 "John Cartledge" wrote: > I think that the band have been in freefall since Electric Tepee. Some ups and downs, I'd say, but I think I rate _A4_ higher than you :) > Even so, > the danger signs were there with the rehashed lyrics/songs starting to appear > (Mask Of Morning = Mirror Of Illusion, Secret Agent = On The Case). On the other hand, both of these were great tracks and I rate them much higher than the originals. I don't see why they didn't just whip out some new lyrics for MoM. It would have sounded like a completely different song. > IITBOTFTBD: Solved the lyrical problems! Gave us an album of bland ambient > noodling. More Rehashed lyrics. As for Gimme Shelter -- Why? The charity single was hysterical though :) The album was, admittedly, a meandering waste IMO > Alien 4: Sorry, but I've got a real problem with this album, as I think the > rot really started here. Of the new stuff, I really only like Alien (I am) and > Sputnik Stan -- (and the riff from Xenomorph). > The rest of it was fairly uninspired (and in the case of Beam Me Up, > bloody embarrassing) "Blue Skin" eventually grew on me, and Vega was a way cool instrumental (miles ahead of the usual Brock synth wanking :) Festivals wasn't bad, though the lyrics were naff. I liked the retread 3-pack at the end as well :) Yeah, they were retreads, but they were cool retreads. I even liked "Are You Losing your Mind" :) > Loss of Alan Davey is major blow musically and lyrically -- if not vocally ;-) Yup. > Distant Horizons: Better than I thought it was going to be, with a couple of > good tracks (Wheels, Reptoid Vision (apart from the lyrics)). Unfortunately, > it seems as though it's been cobbled together and rushed out half finished. > Dave's contribution is piss poor (he sounds bored/uninterested), RT's lyrics > are inane, and do we really need another version of Love In Space! Band in > creative nadir. I saw the DH lineup live twice before the album came out, and one show was the best HW show I'd ever seen, and the other was the worst (admittedly, the almost supernaturally bad mix at the second had a lot to do with it). DH was somewhere in between. It was a lot more anemic sounding that the quite powerful Blackheath gig last June, and there was too much random synth wanking. What the hell does Brock think he's doing? I mean: "Time We Left ..." vs. "Waimea Canyon Drive". The choice is clear. There were some good tracks, and I got a kick out of Tree's offerings, which were actually the best pieces on the album, IMO. > The problem is exacerbated by the fact that none of these albums have > increased their fan base. Strangely, I do see plenty of youngsters at the UK shows I've been too. I mean, Shepherd's Bush last autumn was _packed_ and not solely by geezers :) But by looking at them, they are not a "Taxi For Max" crowd. A lot of them seemed be the same youngsters I see at the heavy rock and metal gigs in London. > The only way by which I can see the mothership taking off again is for Dave to > take the controls, both lyrically and on stage (he may as well not have been > there last tour -- and most people who go to see Hawkwind want to see Dave). He needs to rock out more. What does it take? Do we have to go down to Devon armed with the Monster Magnet catalogue and say, "Dave, the people your music inspired are doing this [cue: 'Dinosaur Vacuum']. 'Kauai' isn't going to inspire anything except a desire to get the new Motorhead album." :) > Get a full time keyboard player -- come back Harvey? Simon House! :) HW need a producer. How about J. Yuenger? The new Fu Manchu he did sounded pretty good :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 11:53:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:53:21 +0000 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: On fre 17 apr 1998 15.25 +0100 "Neil Shilladay" wrote: > I saw HW at Brixton at the time of ET, & thought that despite the album, the > band were flying high creatively. The stage show, lights, and > reinterpretations of oldies were spot on. Live tapes I've heard of shows from this period were easily about the best post-Lemmy HW I've heard :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Apr 17 10:56:24 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:56:24 +0100 Subject: HW: low points and giving up === Message-ID: > The only way by which I can see the mothership taking off again is for Dave to > take the controls, both lyrically and on stage (he may as well not have been > there last tour -- and most people who go to see Hawkwind want to see Dave). >> He needs to rock out more. What does it take? Do we have to go down >> to Devon armed with the Monster Magnet catalogue and say, "Dave, the >> people your music inspired are doing this [cue: 'Dinosaur Vacuum']. >> 'Kauai' isn't going to inspire anything except a desire to get the new >> Motorhead album." :) Lets face it, with the loss of Alan, Dave is Hawkwind. He really needs to get out from behind those synths, this is where a full time keyboard player would help to relieve Dave from the keyboard playing responsibilities so that he could get back to playing guitar, singing and being out at the front which is where he should be. But lets face it, wanking about behind a keyboard is a hell of a lot easier than playing the guitar and singing ( I should know, thats what I do ! ), all you have to do most of the time is push the right buttons at the right time.... *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 11:21:51 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:21:51 +0100 Subject: Review of HF Message-ID: Johnny Kidd & the Pirates, originally, I believe. The Pirates reformed without JK sometime later and were pretty good; they released another version of "Shakin' All Over" as a single. Alun >> I heard "Shakin' All Over" on the radio the other day (done by The Who? Somebody help me out on this...) - and I HEARD that fill!!! Right after the singer goes, "Shaaaakin' aaaallll overrrr..." there's this little guitar fill and I went, "where have I heard that recently? WHOAH!") From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 12:30:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:30:44 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_HW:_low_points_and_giving_up_=3D=3D=3D?= Message-ID: On fre 17 apr 1998 15.56 +0100 "Cutting, Richard" wrote: > But lets face > it, wanking about behind a keyboard is a hell of a lot easier than > playing the guitar and singing ( I should know, thats what I do ! ), all > you have to do most of the time is push the right buttons at the right > time.... Are you kidding? :) I'll go out there and play "Master of the Universe" anytime, anywhere, with anyone on guitar or bass and it'll work out fine. Behold! Kyuss' "Gardenia" ... not complex, but it *blangas* about a thousand times more than anything on DH :) There's no excuse for this kind of behavior, Mr. Brock :) Cheers, Carl ps - to blanga? to blang? I blanga, thou blangest, he blangeth? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 17 11:14:05 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:14:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Jaxx Gig Mention Message-ID: Today's Washington Post has the following mention of the Jaxx gig: "The once-and-maybe-still excellent Blue Oyster Cult comes to Jaxx (703/569-5940) Friday night, along with local openers Cry Ice, Common Ground and Stiff Richard." Other notables in the Weekend section - 9:30 Club Schedule - Projeckt Two (Adrian Belew/Robert Fripp/Trey Gunn) A King Crimson Project May 1 * At the artist request there will be no smoking in the main room for this show. The Artist (Prince) is playing The Ballroom monday (sold out already) BOC label mates Overkill will be doing Jaxx 4/25 followed by Robin Trower 4/28. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 12:15:48 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:15:48 +0100 Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: <199804171319.JAA05263@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > NOPE! Still love this album, and give it a 10 out of 10, despite the > fact that I probably agree with some of your comments. Here's a few > of my reactions to your review: Thanks for your comments John. I deliberately tried to shut down the "fanboy" part of my brain for the purposes of review, but no doubt that HF will occupy a major part of my listening time over the coming weeks and months. As for 10/10....well, even with my fanboy cells switched on the 10/10 ranking would have to be reserved for Secret Treaties (unless 11/10 is allowed :) ) > >and second, the > music itself lacks the inventiveness that we've come to love in songs such > as "Monsters" and "Shadow of California" (to choose two songs more or less > at random) > > But you randomly chose 2 songs from the "Bouchard catalog"... I wasn't trying to make a comment about the Bouchards contribution to BOC - in fact, I had no idea whose songs they were...I just picked them off the top of my head. > >Damaged: > > I like your assessment of this track (my personal fave from HF), however > you gave it (as well as "Live for Me") no numerical score. Oversight? Oversight, yes. I'd say 8/10. In other words, a damn fine number, but not quite up there with SYIB or HM. > Despite any agreements I might have with your more critical assessments > of the album, it will be a 10/10 in my books always. Then again, I'd > probably do the same for Club Ninja (o.k., maybe I'd give it a 9...) ;-) I have a special affection for Mirrors, myself. I always had the feeling that the band themselves would have been more positive about it if it had actually been a success! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 17 12:16:30 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:16:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Jaxx Gig Mention Message-ID: >"The once-and-maybe-still excellent Blue Oyster Cult Gee, there's a real ringing endorsement... John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Apr 17 20:19:20 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:19:20 -0700 Subject: OFF: Geezer...Black Science Message-ID: That's because he didn't. Geezer contributed most of the Sabbath lyrics apart from the overtly Christian ones, which Mr Iommi contributed. Zeit brian halligan wrote: > From various interviews I've seen with Ozzy, I have a vague feeling he never spent much time studying Quantum Physics at Oxford. I was shocked that the person who seemed so out of it in the interviews I saw could write the lyrics (the better ones, anyway) of the early Sab albums. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 12:34:35 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:34:35 +0100 Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, I wrote: > > > > I like your assessment of this track (my personal fave from HF), however > > you gave it (as well as "Live for Me") no numerical score. Oversight? > > Oversight, yes. I'd say 8/10. In other words, a damn fine number, but not > quite up there with SYIB or HM. Whoops, sleepy today and making mistakes. That's 8/10 for Damaged. Live for Me I'd say 5/10 (ducking the brickbats at this point.....). Sorry 'bout that, as apparently some people hold this up as their fav. This really is the only one I can see myself skipping - even the heavier numbers that I thought didn't match up to earlier BOC (maybe an unfair comparison?) I still like in their own right. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 13:19:54 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:19:54 EDT Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Hardman DK > Subject: Re: Review of HF > > Whoops, sleepy today and making mistakes. That's 8/10 for Damaged. Live > for Me I'd say 5/10 (ducking the brickbats at this point.....). Sorry > 'bout that, as apparently some people hold this up as their fav. This > really is the only one I can see myself skipping - even the heavier > numbers that I thought didn't match up to earlier BOC (maybe an unfair > comparison?) I still like in their own right. > Each to his own, I say, as long as you aren't a Rush fan! I like Live For Me a lot. I like all of BD's ballads, w/possible exception of BFY, only 'cause it's been done to death. Esp. like the end of LFM, with those beautiful arpeggiated chords, and the sound effects of the kid's voice. In fact, I was hoping BD would use more spec. f/x, like the airplane noise before Damaged--kinda harkens back to the first 3 records. Those sound effects bet. songs really grabbed me. Also liked the way songs segued into each other w/out interruption.... theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Apr 17 21:40:29 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:40:29 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind for sale Message-ID: A quick plug. The HW records I currently have in stock and for sale, can be found at the following URL; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hawk.html Zeit zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 17 14:17:15 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:17:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Post Brothers Message-ID: Just got the latest issue of Post Brothers, it has more incidental Hawkwind material... to whit, someone wants to hire the Post Brothers (Ron and Russ) to obtain an extremely rare piece of jewelry, so rare it exists only twice in all possible reality levels. But what could he offer as payment to ones who could pretty much go get anything they want? The offer is this, they get to name any concert, by any band, ever, and the payer will arrange to erase every tape, every cd, every recording ever made of the concert except two special laserdiscs which he will give to Ron and Russ Post, which will now be the most collectible music items ever. Ron immediately thinks this is a great idea, and starts going over bands he might want to have this done for, the first one off the top of his head is.... Hawkwind. And you just know it's gonna be Space Ritual. (the others he mentioned were Can and Skinny Puppy) Russ managed to negotiate up so they each get to name a concert by a band, so now it's two legendary concerts that will be wiped out... Well, my lunch break finished before I finished reading the thing, so I don't know how it ends, but thought people might want to start guarding their collections.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 17 14:29:48 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:29:48 -0400 Subject: Review of HF Message-ID: >As for 10/10....well, even with my fanboy cells switched on the 10/10 ranking would have to be reserved for Secret Treaties (unless 11/10 is allowed :) ) Well, maybe I'll give ST a 10.1 myself... ;-) >I wasn't trying to make a comment about the Bouchards contribution to BOC - in fact, I had no idea whose songs they were...I just picked them off the top of my head. I realize that, but while your brain may not have immediately known they were Bouchard contributions, you managed to pick them anyway. While not intentionally trying to draw any comparisons to them, you managed to pick them anyway. While perhaps if you tried a few more times to pull a few songs off the top of your head you might get a non-Bouchard tune (although the odds are against it just based on the amount of material that Al and Joe had their hands in), I just found it interesting that this happened. >I have a special affection for Mirrors, myself. I always had the feeling that the band themselves would have been more positive about it if it had actually been a success! Probably true. A little bit different production, and a few differnt songs in a heavier vein, and Mirrors might have been perceived quite differently. John From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Apr 17 15:32:05 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:32:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: >I only included this because I reckon there has to be _some_ reason Rush >& their fans keep going. One listen to Xanadu on Exit Stage Left was >enough for me forever. Has anyone noticed that Ritchie Blackmore copied the intro on Rush's Bastille Day and put it on a song called Kill The King (on the live version) ? Bastille Day and Kill The King ? I haven't read the lyrics to Kill the King but it sounds like a copy too. By the way, the picture on the studio album that sports Kill The King has a picture on an audience from a Rush concert, strange, didn't Rainbow have their own audience ? The obvious reason why Rush and their fans keeps going is that the band still have something to give, compared to many other band as old as Rush they are still relatively fresh in their approach. Did You know that Rush is the fourth band when it comes to the amount of recieved gold discs, only Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones have got more. It has to mean something, okey, they are not the most difficult band in the world but neither are they the most accessible. > I don't know, let's hear. Kenneth -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From adawson at CLARA.NET Fri Apr 17 15:36:00 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:36:00 +0100 Subject: HW: essential websites In-Reply-To: <199804141701.SAA11939@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > >Incidentally I've just done a check on http://www.hawkwind.com and there >is now a one-sentence statement that reads "Any questions can be >E-mailed to actonium at dial.pipex.com" > >Would that be Actonium Doug Smith perhaps? > >jill > Hi all Just checked the site today and it now says "The Hawkwind site is back. Stay tuned" Lets hope so. It's been gone too long now. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Apr 17 23:56:34 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:56:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: Here's the story as I heard it in 1978. The photographer (Fin Costello?) wanted to use a Rainbow shot, but he 'partook' of some pre-show beverages and was so out of it he didn't manage to take any useable shots. Rather than lose the gig, he substituted a Rush shot, subtly(!) making it look like a Rainbow crowd. By the time anyone realised the covers were in the shops. I don't think he worked for Rainbow again. Zeit Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Has anyone noticed that Ritchie Blackmore copied the intro on Rush's > Bastille Day and put it on a song called Kill The King (on the live > version) ? Bastille Day and Kill The King ? I haven't read the lyrics to > Kill the King but it sounds like a copy too. By the way, the picture on the > studio album that sports Kill The King has a picture on an audience from a > Rush concert, strange, didn't Rainbow have their own audience ? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 17 16:01:04 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:01:04 EDT Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Scienc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Kenneth Magnusson > >I only included this because I reckon there has to be _some_ reason Rush > >& their fans keep going. One listen to Xanadu on Exit Stage Left was > >enough for me forever. > > Has anyone noticed that Ritchie Blackmore copied the intro on Rush's > Bastille Day and put it on a song called Kill The King (on the live > version) ? Bastille Day and Kill The King ? I haven't read the lyrics to > Kill the King but it sounds like a copy too. By the way, the picture on the > studio album that sports Kill The King has a picture on an audience from a > Rush concert, strange, didn't Rainbow have their own audience ? > I imagine it was just that Rainbow were all so jealous of Rush! I'm surprised that they didn't copy By-Tor & the Snow Dog, or Am I Going Bald, or The Trees, rather than BD? What's up with those guys? > The obvious reason why Rush and their fans keeps going is that the band > still have something to give, compared to many other band as old as Rush > they are still relatively fresh in their approach. Did You know that Rush > is the fourth band when it comes to the amount of recieved gold discs, only > Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones have got more. It has to mean Hmm...A lot of people voted for Ronald Reagan too! > something, okey, they are not the most difficult band in the world but > neither are they the most accessible. > Methinks thou doth protest too much... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 17 17:07:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:07:16 +0000 Subject: HW: still losing it? Message-ID: After the recent discussion of 90s HW, I threw _A4_ in the stereo to give it a critical spin. I think I've said this before, but I think while it's highs are as high as those of _ET_ *overall* it's at least as good if not better. On _ET_ I tend to skip from rock track to rock track, but mostly I don't mind the in between bits on _A4_. Well ... "Beam Me Up" still sounds silly, and musically like about half-a-dozen song fragments mushed together. But the rest isn't that bad. "Sputnik Stan" is *damn* good. Losing Bass Assassin #2: bad! "LSD" and "Mask of Morning" still blow me away every time :) Cheers, Carl ps - "LSD" is, of course, another Davey track ... pps - well, there's still the new Monster Magnet coming out soon, and I thought the Spiritual Beggar's "Lack of Prozac" had a HWish vibe. Plus, presumably, new darXtar sometime??? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 17 17:37:37 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:37:37 -0500 Subject: BOC HF fungus song poll Message-ID: Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? >This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! Nope, my fungus song is Cold Grey Light Of Dawn. >What, no honorable mention for By-Tor and the Snow Dog? Theo Take you medicine Theo. The Snow Dog bites back; don't fuck with By-Tor. I love this tune. DK - Damn good review fella. We're off to see BOC, and I agree John that was hardly a ringing endorsement of BOC in the Post but who knows what the intent was. Just appeared a little ironic to me, more like he/she were questioning themselves. Ghost in the Ruins From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Fri Apr 17 17:00:17 1998 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:00:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw Langton and Hawkwind in general page update Message-ID: FYI (somewhat dated news, got this message mid March) >From a new bud of mine down here in the south lands of the gulf coast, David Graham. Pretty cool site. He's also got a home brew CD of Hawkwind inspired Synth/Guitar music he performed and recorded called Archaeopteryx: Flight in Space. >>> I have a page on Huw Lloyd Langton now...why don't you check it out... http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/huw.html I probably am the only one in the USA with a copy of his latest solo album ON THE MOVE I am presently in collaboration with Huw's wife, Marion. She and I are collaborating to make the page better. Getting around, aint I???? <<< From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 17 19:29:01 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:29:01 EDT Subject: BOC HF fungus song poll Message-ID: >>Nope, my fungus song is Cold Grey Light Of Dawn.>> Who said that? This is one of my favs. Oh, I'll settle down, just remembered that some fungi species are mind altering and other types are delicious.....:-) briz From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Apr 17 20:34:02 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:34:02 +0200 Subject: Huw Langton and Hawkwind in general page update Message-ID: This looks/sounds great! Any chance of Huw playing Oslo (Norway) during his Scandinavian (looks more Swedish to me ;) tour??? Oslo has *tons* of great venues wasted on crap bands - last time HW played here was in '91 too!!!! Chr. > FYI (somewhat dated news, got this message mid March) > From a new bud of mine down here in the south lands of the gulf coast, > David Graham. Pretty cool site. He's also got a home brew CD of Hawkwind > inspired Synth/Guitar music he performed and recorded called Archaeopteryx: > Flight in Space. > >>> I have a page on Huw Lloyd Langton now...why don't you check it out... > http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/huw.html > I probably am the only one in the USA with a copy of his latest solo album > ON THE MOVE > > I am presently in collaboration with Huw's wife, Marion. She and I are > collaborating to make the page better. > Getting around, aint I???? <<< From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Apr 17 23:13:41 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:13:41 EDT Subject: BOC: Jaxx Off: smoking... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-17 11:31:40 EDT, you write: << 9:30 Club Schedule - Projeckt Two (Adrian Belew/Robert Fripp/Trey Gunn) A King Crimson Project May 1 * At the artist request there will be no smoking in the main room for this show. >> All right! No smoking! My respect for Fripp and company continues to grow... I've suffered through too many BOC and Brain Surgeons concerts coughing all the way... SET From raider at PIPELINE.COM Sat Apr 18 02:27:00 1998 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:27:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review In-Reply-To: <6bc99f60.35381a66@aol.com> Message-ID: Just got back from the Jaxx concert in Springfield, and boy am I deaf. Got to meet Zillagod12 at aol.com. We we're both in the front together. Well the vocal situation improved over previous shows. easier to hear this time. yet, the mix was perfect for the opening acts but not for BOC. How screwed up is that? The instruments didn't seemed mixed right either. Danny's bass was way too loud on In Thee. The keyboards were up to much in Dom&Sub. And Buck's Guitar was down too low at the beginning. I think Buck is beginning to show sign of Alzheimers or something. Because occasionally he would turn away from the mic as he was singing. Meaning of course that we couldn't hear. And during Harvest Moon, Buck actually forgot the words in the second verse. You'd think he'd be able to sing that one in his sleep now. Also didn't care for the echo effect on The Vigil. It was prominent enough. All you ended up really hearing was the change in pitch over and over again. I actually thought that maybe Buck's voice was shot because of this. They failed to play any of the new songs that they haven't already played. Eric asked on AOL what 2 songs we all think should be added to the list. I think all but one person said Damaged. But it didn't get played. anyways need sleep. gonna try to make the BBQ tomorrow. here's the set list: Burnin' For You Cities On Flame ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie O.D.'d on Life itself The Vigil Live For Me Flaming Telepaths See You In Black Last Days Of May In Thee Godzilla Don't Fear The Reaper Encore: Dominance & Submission btw, I know I may seem harsh, but I really am a huge BOC fan. I'd shell out 20 bucks just to see them pick their noses for an hour an half. ok, maybe only 10 bucks. ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos, A Blue Oyster Cult Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sat Apr 18 09:50:41 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:50:41 -0700 Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: <123A7951EA7@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >I like all of BD's ballads, w/possible exception of BFY, only 'cause it's been done to death.< I think it was great that they moved BFY to open the shows at present. Those that want to here it are immediately rewarded and get "in the mood", while those of us that have heard it 10000 times have it out of the way:-) Hey, I liked it several years ago, but I would have to say it's get a beer time for me at shows now:-) Jack From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat Apr 18 15:35:07 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:35:07 +0100 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is back Message-ID: Hi folks, the subject says it all. After 4 long months hawkwind.com is back on line. Check out the news page for details. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Sat Apr 18 21:11:22 1998 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:11:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind Covers All tape series wanted Message-ID: Someone out there got the Hawkwind Covers All series? Reply direct to my email. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 19 01:19:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 05:19:07 +0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com is back Message-ID: On l?r 18 apr 1998 20.35 +0100 "Andrew Dawson" wrote: > the subject says it all. After 4 long months hawkwind.com is > back on line. Kick ass! Cheers, Carl ObCD: Type O Negative, _October Rust_, "Love You to Death" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Apr 19 23:48:29 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:48:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:32:05 +0200 Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >Did You know that Rush is the fourth band when it comes to the amount >of recieved gold discs, only Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones >have got more. Hm? Not Elvis or Sinatra or something like that? Damon From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Apr 20 15:13:45 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:13:45 EST Subject: Review of HFi In-Reply-To: ; from "Alun Hughes" at Apr 17, 98 04:21:51 pm Message-ID: > > Johnny Kidd & the Pirates, originally, I believe. The Pirates reformed without JK sometime later and were pretty good; they released another version of "Shakin' All Over" as a single. > > Alun > I vagely remember seeing them in 77/78 ? they were part of a 3 band package ,cant remember who else was with them or whether they played shakin' all over. I think johnny kidd died in a car crash in the 60's. regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Apr 20 15:22:16 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:22:16 EST Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <2633171631031998/A06067/LNMV02/11C3FC112000*@MHS>; from "LN1GJT" at Mar 31, 98 04:17:33 pm Message-ID: > > I lent my CD to Doug Smith so that he could compare the two, with a view to > putting all the various different mixes on, as well as any relevent B-sides > too. > They should add the rest of the "77 tour stuff and are there different mixes to death trap at all,since one was on the lp,and the other was a hawklords single. It would be good to hear a studio Version of USoM,and a decent live version of Back on the Streets. Hell just release a double-cd of all of the tours and that would keep us all Happy regards Marty From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Apr 20 00:41:58 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:41:58 -0700 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <199804200422.OAA07015@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: > Hell just release a double-cd of all of the tours and that would > keep us all > Happy > > regards > > Marty > And let's not forget all those one-off gigs and festivals with slightly different set lists... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Apr 20 00:51:28 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:51:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:32:05 +0200 Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > >Did You know that Rush is the fourth band when it comes to the amount > >of recieved gold discs, only Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones > >have got more. > > Hm? Not Elvis or Sinatra or something like that? > > Damon I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a Rush fan, but as great as they are . . . unfortunately, they're not fourth in the amount of gold discs received. Check out the Recording Industry Association of America's Gold and Platinum statistics: http://www.riaa.com/index.htm http://www.riaa.com/gp.htm http://www.riaa.com/goldplat/arttal.htm Nice wishful thinking Kenneth! Karen From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 04:20:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:20:06 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <199804200422.OAA07015@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199804200422.OAA07015 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn Lawrence writes >It would be good to hear a studio Version of USoM, Was there one? -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 05:37:26 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:37:26 PDT Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: >Has anyone noticed that Ritchie Blackmore copied the intro on Rush's >Bastille Day and put it on a song called Kill The King (on the live >version) ? Bastille Day and Kill The King ? I haven't read the lyrics to >Kill the King but it sounds like a copy too. No no no no no. Neil Peart was cycling past Ritchie's house one night and heard him singing Kill the King and accompanying himself on an acoustic guitar. So Neil rips him off and releases it before Ritchie has satisfied himself of the quality of the song, so Rush release a sub-standard Blackmore tune and Blackmore had to set the record straight later on. >By the way, the picture on the >studio album that sports Kill The King has a picture on an audience from a >Rush concert, strange, didn't Rainbow have their own audience ? Noo no nononono noooo. The crowd is actually a Deep Purple audience from 1971, because nobody went to either Rainbow OR Rush gigs later on. Just another example of Rush ripping of Rock Legends of the 70's. Like Genesis and the Bonzo Dog Doo-Da Band. > >> > >I don't know, let's hear. > Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 20 07:14:36 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:14:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: X-Ray In-Reply-To: <19980417091034.AAA3839@[208.214.94.90]> Message-ID: Yes, agree entirely. I thought, 'Ugh, pop!' when I first heard it , and then foun myself singing it and wanting to play it again. The album as a whol;e I think ranks for me about fourth from bottom of BOC, but that's still pretty good. They are the greatest band ever after all, or at least, were and are still pretty damned good. I'm sort of back on-line, by the way, for those of you who hadn't heard. Jason, I owe you a drink at the Astoria... Yours all, Jon (who was Jazza) On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Nick English wrote: > Just to bring everybody back to BOC...Just wondering: > > Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? > This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! > > Also, just in case anyone cares, I gave Heaven Forbid the acid test > recently. I shelved it for a full week, then went back to it. It > passed. I still think it's great. Not the best, but definitely > BOC...and after all these years of waiting, I'm satisfied. > > --Nick > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 07:23:21 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:23:21 +0100 Subject: BOC: UK CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.19980418001817.2a67102a@pop.pipeline.com> Message-ID: Just got the album this weekend. It's a German edition from SPV records, whom I've never heard of. Every copy has the pic of the girl on the front, which is an additional page stuck on top of the Phantom of the Opera booklet cover. Someone somewhere was obviously unhappy about the original artwork. I went to 5 shops and the price varied from 10.99 to 14.49 pounds, so it's worth shopping around. My initial reactions to the album are: There just isn't enough Eric vocal. Long sections of the record sound like Buck's solo album 'Flat Out'. Best tracks are SYIB, HM and X-ray eyes, but I think the only sensible choice for the next single is 'Still Burning'. 'Cold grey light of dawn' is pretty good too. I think John Shirley's lyrics hold up for a couple of tracks, but overall they are just not way out enough. Too many vengeful knives and not enough secret treaties and black telescopes. Couldn't they have got Pearlman, Meltzer and Patti Smith to contribute a lyric each? On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Brian Frenck wrote: > Eric asked on AOL what 2 songs we all think should be added to the list. > I think all but one person said Damaged. But it didn't get played. I'm surprised, I would have thought that 'Hammer Back' had the edge on 'Damaged'. Cheers - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 20 07:26:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:26:33 EDT Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Scienc In-Reply-To: <353AD450.B3D6480@execpc.com> Message-ID: > From: Karen Kusic > DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > > > > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:32:05 +0200 Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > > > >Did You know that Rush is the fourth band when it comes to the amount > > >of recieved gold discs, only Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones > > >have got more. > > > > Hm? Not Elvis or Sinatra or something like that? > > > > Damon > > I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a Rush fan, but as great as they are . . . > unfortunately, they're not fourth in the amount of gold discs received. > > Check out the Recording Industry Association of America's > Gold and Platinum statistics: Hmm...I bet Stephen King has sold more books than Saul Bellow or Joyce Carol Oates, so I guess I should change my reading habits too! theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 20 07:36:03 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:36:03 +0100 Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I agree with every word of Dave's review except that I like 'Hammer Back' a bit more than he does... quite scarey really... Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 20 08:16:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:16:03 EDT Subject: Review of HF In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980418065041.00798ea0@3-cities.com> Message-ID: > From: "Jack W. Heffling" > I think it was great that they moved BFY to open the shows at present. > Those that want to here it are immediately rewarded and get "in the mood", > while those of us that have heard it 10000 times have it out of the way:-) No kidding? They're opening with BFY this tour? I like that idea--get it over with! Play BFY, then, kick into SYIB, which i think would be a great opener [even though Stairway is my fave BOC song] What are they following BFY with? > From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 09:33:53 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:33:53 +0100 Subject: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I think I agree with every word of Dave's review except that I > like 'Hammer Back' a bit more than he does... quite scarey really... Jon Jon I think I met you at the last London show didn't I? I have some photos of the people there, but can't recall everyone's names. Anyway, if you're gonna be there in June we should meet up for a beer! Anyone else going to the Astoria show? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Apr 20 09:34:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:34:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: Well, I'm back, mellower than ever, and I popped into town today to pick up my BOC Astoria ticket, and noticed that the Masters of Reality are at the LA2 on Sunday 14th June. Anyone (Tim :) going? Also saw the European cover to HF, which I have to admit is an improvement. I can see AB ordering an import copy specially :)) - Andy ObGroovyExperienceOnHoliday: smoking hookahs in the tea garden of the Abbasi Hotel, Isfahan - totally unreal Arabian Nights stuff! mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 09:35:43 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:35:43 +0100 Subject: Mike Watt in Highbury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I noticed, but too late, that Mike Watt was playing in Highbury on Saturday night. I presume it was *the* Mike Watt. Any fellow Londoners manage to make it along? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 09:41:16 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:41:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:34:32 BST." <000001bd6c61$0d49a680$753f63c3@default> Message-ID: > Well, I'm back, mellower than ever, and I popped into town today to pick up > my BOC Astoria ticket, and noticed that the Masters of Reality are at the > LA2 on Sunday 14th June. Anyone (Tim :) going? almost certainly yes yes yes !! :-) Tim From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 20 09:53:46 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:53:46 EDT Subject: Big Flats gig? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see BOC's playing in Big Flats, NY 26 June at the Budweiser stage. Torgo, this sounds like your neck of the woods. What kind of gig is it? Multi-band wheezer show, or BOC solo gig? theo From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Apr 20 09:58:24 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:24 -0500 Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers Message-ID: Ok, this one is a little off the wall, but here goes: What tracks off of HF do you think would be "good" for dancing to (as in topless type dancing, BTW). My personal choice is "Damaged" or PUD. I will be giving a copy of HF to a dancer friend of mine who said she would use it, but wanted some track recommendations first. I gave her mine, but did say that I would ask the BOC mailing list as a whole (yes, she is computer savvy enough to know what I said when I started talking about the mailing list, and yes she does know who BOC is) This is most likely the only way HF is going to get ANY sort of airplay in Tulsa, it seems. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 20 10:54:50 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:54:50 -0700 Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review Message-ID: "On Your Feet or on Your Knees!" Only this time honored opening was missing April 17, 1998 at Jaxx Nightclub in Springfield VA. Fresh off a rousing performance the night before in Richmond VA, Blue Oyster Cult moved northward to continue their massive assault on the hard rock music scene. A near capacity crowd crammed the club anxiously awaiting the legendary outfit; thank god they did not have to wait long. At shortly before the midnight hour the band opened with Burnin' For You, a mild surprise for everyone except those who witnessed the destruction of Richmond the previous night. As one of the big three that has been a staple of the setlist for years, my initial reaction bordered on a Homer Simpson "DOH"? Burnin' at the top of the setlist? This was a song I felt had run its course and should be retired or at minimum take an extended vacation. The song is better positioned here as the opener than later in the set. BOC seems to be following the trend of mid tempo tunes to start rather than launching into full throttle immediately. Burnin was followed by long time face melting fan favorite Cities on Flame. Cities practically roared or conversely was pushed off the stage by Danny Miranda's thumping bass. ETI was next up; time has not diminished this song in the least as the audience could be heard singing along and swaying to its funky grooves. The extended jam of the live version was a real treat as the band was in high gear from the beginning. Finally Eric announced they would play a few tunes from the new album. To the universal delight of the crowd the band dove face first into Harvest Moon. This song lit the flame that would roar the rest of the night; it also provided a brief bit of comic relief. Buck missed some lyrics midway through the song and took some good-natured ribbings from his mates, the audience and even himself. Smiling and undaunted he plugged himself back into the vocals as soon as possible. To make amends (as if he even needed to) this guitar solo carried even more weight than the studio version. I would also note that Alan's solo on this song was impeccable. Alan is so understated and unassuming on stage it's easy to forget that he is an incredible musician in his own right. After cooling off a few degrees the band waltzed through Buck's Boogie (with Eric careful to mention that this was the Cult Classic version) and OD on Life Itself. Both songs were very strong however they were played with relative ease by the band. It appeared that the band was simply catching their collective breaths after the blistering opening salvo. Eric coyly announced they wanted to go back a little and play a little something from the Mirrors album. It didn't take a rocket scientist to know we would soon be treated to either In Thee or The Vigil. My fingers were crossed for the Vigil. Hopefully someone was making a recording of this show as this version was off the scale. I have never heard this song played with such passion or force, it was magnificent! After taking an extended bow it was back to another ramp up with Live for Me and Flaming Telepaths. Telepaths was very well received as you could hear "the jokes on you" from the audience. During the song the lights went out with Eric under a strobe singing. A great effect made even better by Eric's generally liveliness throughout the show. In quick succession the audience was treated to the current single See You in Black followed by Buck's mind blowing Last Days of May. It should be noted here that some have wondered why BOC would play such a speed metal song at this point in their careers. I think the answer is simple, it's a weapon and a deadly one at that. The live version of this song would make the most dedicated Michael Bolton fan want to crash his forehead through cinder block. Like the kindly assistant football coach they called an end to the wind sprints and allowed us to relax just a touch with In Thee. This song gets better each time I hear them play it acoustically. There were some problems with the sound and it appears they had to correct some things with Alan's guitar feeds. Whatever the problem was they fixed it and the show went on. Eric mercifully let us relax for a moment more while the band prepped itself for the final salvo. Of course we all knew what was coming, you could hear the footsteps and the roar growing closer. At the appropriate time Eric screamed his warning and the final assault had begun. "Zilla was played with "monstrous" attitude; Danny bass in particular could be felt all the way to the far side of the room. The bass and drum solos were both entertaining and timely, neither drawn out to the point you lose interest. Wasting no further time and Eric not wanting to grant us anymore time-outs, Reaper was executed flawlessly. This song is such a strong closer that the band should never ever consider ending the show any other way. Buck as usual was brilliant with his soloing; as many times as I have heard them play this song I swear Buck never seems to so this solo the same way, its always different. After a quick thank you and goodnight I felt like a condemned man who had just received an 11th hour pardon from the governor. I could not remove myself from the one spot I had occupied during the entire set. Some force just would not allow me to escape. They came back, my god they were on stage again. It was at this moment that the title to the new album finally made sense to me "Heaven Forbid I have to put up with anymore of this." Oh but that damn Eric, all night he forced the audience to keep up with the band; he made us soak up every erg of energy they were tossing; forced us to swallow each and every note. Was he satisfied that no one had anything left that we were all running on empty trying to digest this tidal wave of rock? No, he's a cruel one that Eric Bloom, we were still standing so Eric must have figured we didn't remember. We did not recall that this is the same band that before they hit the stage demanded that you be on your feet or on your knees. Smiling behind shades as only he can he must have passed judgment on Virginia; the verdict on your knees. With dozens of weapons (songs) at his command Eric choose one of the most dangerous weapons this world has ever seen, Dominance and Submission. Thank god its over, I have just enough strength to warn those of you who will be seeing them soon, be afraid, be very afraid, but most importantly be in shape 'cause BOC is taking no prisoners, granting no respites during this tour. Ghost in the Ruins From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 10:31:22 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:31:22 +0100 Subject: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:33:53 BST." Message-ID: > I think I met you at the last London show didn't I? I have some photos of > the people there, but can't recall everyone's names. Anyway, if you're > gonna be there in June we should meet up for a beer! Definitely. I'd forgotten all about those photos - how did they come out ? > Anyone else going to the Astoria show? > > Dave IIRC Dave, the boc-l contigent at the last gig was You Charles the Grinning Boy (where'd he go ?) Me Jason O'Broin (now somewhere in the states) Jon (didn't you find us right at the end ?) cheers, Tim From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Apr 20 11:24:26 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:24:26 -0700 Subject: nomail Message-ID: Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Apr 20 12:31:22 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:31:22 +1000 Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review Message-ID: Good review.....I have repented of my sins and am at the mercy of B?C! I just wish they would tour here!!!!! Troy At 07:54 20/04/98 -0700, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >"On Your Feet or on Your Knees!" Only this time honored opening was >missing April 17, 1998 at Jaxx Nightclub in Springfield VA. Fresh off >a rousing performance the night before in Richmond VA, Blue Oyster Cult >moved northward to continue their massive assault on the hard rock music >scene. A near capacity crowd crammed the club anxiously awaiting the >legendary outfit; thank god they did not have to wait long. > >At shortly before the midnight hour the band opened with Burnin' For >You, a mild surprise for everyone except those who witnessed the >destruction of Richmond the previous night. As one of the big three >that has been a staple of the setlist for years, my initial reaction >bordered on a Homer Simpson "DOH"? Burnin' at the top of the setlist? >This was a song I felt had run its course and should be retired or at >minimum take an extended vacation. The song is better positioned here >as the opener than later in the set. BOC seems to be following the >trend of mid tempo tunes to start rather than launching into full >throttle immediately. > >Burnin was followed by long time face melting fan favorite Cities on >Flame. Cities practically roared or conversely was pushed off the stage >by Danny Miranda's thumping bass. ETI was next up; time has not >diminished this song in the least as the audience could be heard singing >along and swaying to its funky grooves. The extended jam of the live >version was a real treat as the band was in high gear from the >beginning. Finally Eric announced they would play a few tunes from the >new album. To the universal delight of the crowd the band dove face >first into Harvest Moon. This song lit the flame that would roar the >rest of the night; it also provided a brief bit of comic relief. Buck >missed some lyrics midway through the song and took some good-natured >ribbings from his mates, the audience and even himself. Smiling and >undaunted he plugged himself back into the vocals as soon as possible. >To make amends (as if he even needed to) this guitar solo carried even >more weight than the studio version. I would also note that Alan's solo >on this song was impeccable. Alan is so understated and unassuming on >stage it's easy to forget that he is an incredible musician in his own >right. > >After cooling off a few degrees the band waltzed through Buck's Boogie >(with Eric careful to mention that this was the Cult Classic version) >and OD on Life Itself. Both songs were very strong however they were >played with relative ease by the band. It appeared that the band was >simply catching their collective breaths after the blistering opening >salvo. Eric coyly announced they wanted to go back a little and play a >little something from the Mirrors album. It didn't take a rocket >scientist to know we would soon be treated to either In Thee or The >Vigil. My fingers were crossed for the Vigil. Hopefully someone was >making a recording of this show as this version was off the scale. I >have never heard this song played with such passion or force, it was >magnificent! > >After taking an extended bow it was back to another ramp up with Live >for Me and Flaming Telepaths. Telepaths was very well received as you >could hear "the jokes on you" from the audience. During the song the >lights went out with Eric under a strobe singing. A great effect made >even better by Eric's generally liveliness throughout the show. In quick >succession the audience was treated to the current single See You in >Black followed by Buck's mind blowing Last Days of May. It should be >noted here that some have wondered why BOC would play such a speed metal >song at this point in their careers. I think the answer is simple, it's >a weapon and a deadly one at that. The live version of this song would >make the most dedicated Michael Bolton fan want to crash his forehead >through cinder block. > >Like the kindly assistant football coach they called an end to the wind >sprints and allowed us to relax just a touch with In Thee. This song >gets better each time I hear them play it acoustically. There were some >problems with the sound and it appears they had to correct some things >with Alan's guitar feeds. Whatever the problem was they fixed it and the >show went on. Eric mercifully let us relax for a moment more while the >band prepped itself for the final salvo. Of course we all knew what was >coming, you could hear the footsteps and the roar growing closer. At >the appropriate time Eric screamed his warning and the final assault had >begun. "Zilla was played with "monstrous" attitude; Danny bass in >particular could be felt all the way to the far side of the room. The >bass and drum solos were both entertaining and timely, neither drawn out >to the point you lose interest. Wasting no further time and Eric not >wanting to grant us anymore time-outs, Reaper was executed flawlessly. >This song is such a strong closer that the band should never ever >consider ending the show any other way. Buck as usual was brilliant >with his soloing; as many times as I have heard them play this song I >swear Buck never seems to so this solo the same way, its always >different. > >After a quick thank you and goodnight I felt like a condemned man who >had just received an 11th hour pardon from the governor. I could not >remove myself from the one spot I had occupied during the entire set. >Some force just would not allow me to escape. They came back, my god >they were on stage again. It was at this moment that the title to the >new album finally made sense to me "Heaven Forbid I have to put up with >anymore of this." Oh but that damn Eric, all night he forced the >audience to keep up with the band; he made us soak up every erg of >energy they were tossing; forced us to swallow each and every note. Was >he satisfied that no one had anything left that we were all running on >empty trying to digest this tidal wave of rock? No, he's a cruel one >that Eric Bloom, we were still standing so Eric must have figured we >didn't remember. We did not recall that this is the same band that >before they hit the stage demanded that you be on your feet or on your >knees. Smiling behind shades as only he can he must have passed >judgment on Virginia; the verdict on your knees. > >With dozens of weapons (songs) at his command Eric choose one of the >most dangerous weapons this world has ever seen, Dominance and >Submission. Thank god its over, I have just enough strength to warn >those of you who will be seeing them soon, be afraid, be very afraid, >but most importantly be in shape 'cause BOC is taking no prisoners, >granting no respites during this tour. > > >Ghost in the Ruins > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From AgentOF at AOL.COM Mon Apr 20 11:30:11 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:30:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review Message-ID: Adrian, Nice meeting you at JAXX! Very entertaining review, also. chuck From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 20 11:38:32 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:38:32 EDT Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." . In quick > succession the audience was treated to the current single See You in > Black followed by Buck's mind blowing Last Days of May. It should be > noted here that some have wondered why BOC would play such a speed metal > song at this point in their careers. I think the answer is simple, it's > a weapon and a deadly one at that. The live version of this song would > make the most dedicated Michael Bolton fan want to crash his forehead > through cinder block. Damn, let's get that live version in circulation then! I laughed when people thought SYIB was somehow uncharacteristic for BOC. What do people call TRatB and Hot Rails? BOC's just re-visiting an art form they perfected 20 years ago. Great review AB! theo ps Maybe they could do a song that would induce Rush fans to ... From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 20 11:47:52 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:47:52 EDT Subject: BOC: Jaxx Review Message-ID: >>>'cause BOC is taking no prisoners, granting no respites during this tour. I only quoted a portion, cause it's such a great line...I love this review!!!!! Thanks, Briz From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 11:52:12 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:52:12 +0100 Subject: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: <199804201431.PAA24276@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, bart wrote: > Definitely. I'd forgotten all about those photos - how did they come out ? There's only a few; they were actually courtesy of Charles The Grinning Boy - not online anymore, but last known to be residing in Sussex. The There's a decent picture of Eric signing autographs after the show, plus some pictures of the band onstage, which are as good as you can expect from the middle of the audience. I also got a pic of me with Buck, 'cept Buck looks cool and I look a real dick :) See ya there! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 20 11:52:39 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:52:39 EDT Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers Message-ID: >>>What tracks off of HF do you think would be "good" for dancing to (as in topless type dancing, BTW). >>> I think "Cold Gray Light of dawn" has the perfect mood for dancin"!!!! briz From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 11:59:33 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:59:33 PDT Subject: INNER CITY UNIT Message-ID: Dear everyone, Inner City Unit are on the road again this year. May 21 The Royal Standard 1 Blackhorse Rd E17 support: Excathedra, Anoraks, 24 May Blandford fest with Nik Turners All Stars, Ruby Throat 29 May The Albert Trafalgar St Brighton 29 July-2 Aug Big Green Gathering More gigs soon Our new CD "Now You Know The Score" is available from Judjement Recs , 48 Barbauld Rd, London N16 OST for ?10.75 inc p&p mail order. I'm afraid the rec industry don't consider us important enough to be put in the shops. The CD is great. Buy one and make an old man happy! Love, Judge Trev ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 12:29:48 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:29:48 +0100 Subject: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Hardman DK writes > >Anyone else going to the Astoria show? > >Dave > I should be. Another comic shop owner (Mike Lake / Forbidden Planet) I know is a big BOC fan so I'll be along with him. Touch wood -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 20 12:36:31 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:36:31 -0700 Subject: BOC: More Jaxx Stuff Message-ID: Gang what a tremendous show this was. I can't speak for Brian F. but I had no problems with the mix from my vantagepoint. Yeah there were some screw ups with Eric's mike and most notably with In Thee but overall they sounded great from where I was standing near the sound booth and to the left. This is my fifth time seeing them at Jaxx and I would say the farther from the stage your are the better BOC sound. Maybe its just too much power to sit on top of. I will invest in ear plugs though. Ted had the brand recommended by Al and said they're pretty good. Hopefully Ted or Chuck (AgentOF) can provide you more accurate details form the Bar-B-Que on Friday, but here are some of the rumors/news that was buzzing around the club. The next single off HF will be Harvest Moon. I think this is a no-brainer as the studio version is perhaps the best tune on the album and when played live, well if you've heard it you know this is a killer tune. BOC is slated to headline, that's right headline a festival in Richmond during the later part of May. Opening for BOC will be Cheap Trick. The band should be making an announcement about this real soon. The venue seats approx 15,000 people so this is very exciting. Buck is off to Europe for a while. Originally some thought Buck was taking a vacation in Europe. After the show Buck said he wished, he is actually going on a press tour of Europe, several countries to be covered. Sounds like the band has extensive tour plans of Europe, so be happy friends across the great pond. No doubts that Eric is in good form these days. They played with his mike a lot and he cut some notes short in places but overall he sounded good. More importantly he played maestro and had the setlist working at a good pace. Very entertaining evening from Eric. After the show I couldn't get close enough to him as he busily signed autographs. Got my copy of HF signed by everyone except Eric. Maybe next time. One of the biggest thrills I had was talking to Danny after the gig. Danny is a real delight to rap with. After signing my HF I pulled back my jacket to reveal my King's X Ear Candy T-shirt and Danny's eyes lit up. Turns out he is a big fan of the band. Yep this show was a winner through and through I only wish I could have made the bar-b-que. >>Nope, my fungus song is Cold Grey Light Of Dawn.>> >Who said that? This is one of my favs. Oh, I'll settle down, just remembered that some fungi species are mind altering and other types are delicious.....:-) briz That would be me Briz (GitR) "Dawn" is my fungal song, lately. A bit off topic I know there are some Savatage fans on this list none as big as me (well maybe Torgo) but a huge announcement came during the BOC show. Savatage will be playing not one but two shows at Jaxx in June. Scheduled for a Friday/Saturday time slot. Individually the shows are priced at $20, but you can see both for $30. If you are a major Sav fan, the word is the band will only tour the US for a few weeks this summer. Getting two shows in one weekend is a real coup for Jaxx. C'ya there Sava Legion. L8er Ghost in the Ruins Five in the Player Out of the Silent Planet Gretchen Goes to Nebraska Faith Hope Love King's X Dogman (Its King's X - day in honor of Danny M.) From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Apr 20 12:55:00 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:55:00 +0200 Subject: nomail Message-ID: > Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu I don't think this is a valid listserv command Kevin, but its a good start :) Chr. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 13:34:22 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:34:22 +0100 Subject: Random thoughts on the Buckmeister's fretwork In-Reply-To: <199804171319.JAA05263@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John Schwartz mentioned the other day that Monsters was a Bouchard song. But it reminded me of something I've always believed, that Buck's solo on Monsters is one of his finest, even though it's kinda subtly mixed beneath the chanting of "Monsters". Anyone else go along with this? Also, one of the *really* annoying things about this song for me is I've never been able to get the riff down on my own guitar. Obviously it's a straightforward riff, but seems to require a very controlled picking technique that I've just not managed to get to grips with. Godammit! By the way, any of the guitarists on this list managed to figure out the riff to Real World? If you have, care to post the tab for it? I've been playing a hamfisted version of it, but it somehow just ain't right.... Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 20 14:02:38 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:02:38 PDT Subject: BOC: COmIX (was Re: Astoria show (was HF review)) Message-ID: >>Anyone else going to the Astoria show? >> >>Dave >> > >I should be. Another comic shop owner (Mike Lake / Forbidden Planet) I >know is a big BOC fan so I'll be along with him. >Touch wood >-- >Jon I know we raved about this for a while a few months back, but did we ever get a definitive answer to the question of probability with regards to the number of Comic Shop Owners on BOC-L? ie - why the flip are there so many of yew guys in one places - what are the odds? As an aside, for my money, Buck's bestest solo is on the original "Subhuman". Oooh, suits me sir. Chris Underpants. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 20 19:14:06 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:14:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Post Brothers In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > laserdiscs which he will give to Ron and Russ Post, which will > now be the most collectible music items ever. > > Ron immediately thinks this is a great idea, and starts going over > bands he might want to have this done for, the first one off the top > of his head is.... > > Hawkwind. And you just know it's gonna be Space Ritual. Heh! actually this would be fine if he could only (please!) name the version that has been bootlegged so often you could probably pave a path around the earth with the different CDs available - I refer of course to the version that started out as Space Ritual 2 and has been re-issued practically every year since then (well ok - I exaggerate, every other year). I'll endorse any universe that has within it readily available digitally remixed original versions of Space Ritual and only one version of Space Ritual 2. jill obMustBeGettingOld: John Foxx playing Industrial Punk - apart from one elegantly crafted and beautiful track I hated it. 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Apr 20 19:53:47 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:53:47 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:29 20/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article , Hardman DK > writes >> >>Anyone else going to the Astoria show? >> >>Dave >> > >I should be. Another comic shop owner (Mike Lake / Forbidden Planet) I >know is a big BOC fan so I'll be along with him. >Touch wood >-- >Jon Barring disasters, I'll be there - it's the night before my birthday, and I can't imagine there'll be any better way to celebrate *VVBG* - I think i might be taking the following day off work!! (Not least because I probably won't be able to get back to Bournemouth after the show...) So, I repeat my earlier plea, anybody know the Astoria box office number since I probably won't be in central London to pick one up in person. I finally tracked down HF on Saturday (Andys Records in Hull) - I've only been able to listen to it once (quietly) - first impressions fair: not first division, but pretty good nonetheless. I'll give my more considered opinions later. I might also be game for Masters of Reality - Sundays are good for me 'coz I'm usually in Croydon seeing my kidz during the day..... ChrisW NP: DRMFSLTD remaster (also from Andys Records in Hull :-{)> ) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Apr 20 20:02:30 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Bits & Pieces Message-ID: I was in Hull visiting my beloved this weekend and dropped in to Andys Records in Hull (In search of Heaven Forbid) and found the best selection of Hawkstuff I've seen in a long while (curiously, Hull's Virgin also has a better than usual Hawkrack). I'm no expert, but there were some Calvert items that I've never seen before - Live at the Queen Elizabeth hall (I think - it could have been the RFH) and another that's slipped my mind (sorry, I was in a hurry). They also had both Lucky Leif & Captain Lockheed. I Picked up XISOS & DOREMI & Palace Springs. So, it may be worth listfolks who have a local branch of Andys Records checking them out. If people want more info, I can get Helen to check out the full details, and even make purchases if necessary. Cheers, ChrisW NP: DOREMI "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From erics at NOW.COM Mon Apr 20 20:01:53 1998 From: erics at NOW.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:01:53 -0400 Subject: Holes in Heads In-Reply-To: from "Hulsebos A" at Apr 16, 98 03:53:27 am Message-ID: > One thing that crossed my mind last night: there's a Dutch saying, 'Hij heeft > een gaatje in zijn hoofd', literally 'he's got a hole in his head', which means > that he's gone (slightly) mad. The same phrase shows up in English, too: "Got the new Spice Girls CD?" "I need that like I need a hole in the head!" (said in a suitably sarcastic tone of voice). -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at now.com | | / Question: When was the Golden Age of Science Fiction? Asimov's Answer: 13. From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon Apr 20 19:38:25 1998 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:38:25 -0400 Subject: Big Flats gig? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > I see BOC's playing in Big Flats, NY 26 June at the Budweiser stage. > Torgo, this sounds like your neck of the woods. What kind of gig is > it? Multi-band wheezer show, or BOC solo gig? > theo I grew up 5 miles from Big Flats - in East Corining...SMQ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Apr 21 00:33:00 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:33:00 EDT Subject: BOC: COmIX Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-20 14:05:24 EDT, you write: << I know we raved about this for a while a few months back, but did we ever get a definitive answer to the question of probability with regards to the number of Comic Shop Owners on BOC-L? ie - why the flip are there so many of yew guys in one places - what are the odds? >> It was the subliminal programming inserted in the BOC issues of Defenders in the seventies...any comics/BOC fan reading those was implanted with the desire to own a comic book store, and those who could made it a reality...:-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics (But one of many...) From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 21 03:19:31 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:19:31 +0200 Subject: BOC: COmIX Message-ID: > << I know we raved about this for a while a few months back, but did we > ever get a definitive answer to the question of probability with regards > to the number of Comic Shop Owners on BOC-L? ie - why the flip are > there so many of yew guys in one places - what are the odds? >> > > It was the subliminal programming inserted in the BOC issues of Defenders in > the seventies...any comics/BOC fan reading those was implanted with the desire > to own a comic book store, and those who could made it a reality...:-) Does not explain what led Jon Browne to take up that subversive profession of ill repute and how it connects to his obsession with Hawkwind. The BOC-L/comics connection is dark indeed, an alchemical concotion that in a flash of sleazy rock'n'roll, drug-braindamage and a misguided childhood of being raised by DC and Marvel comics (and their beefy men in the colorful underwear) set all the wrong wheels in motion... if you ask *me* anyway 8-() Its the SF connection - easy. Why Rush has so many pimply adolescent fans. ;-)) How 'bout taking a poll of "SF/comics-likers" and "non-SF/comics-likers" just to get the psychotic statistics down? Weren't there BOC-L polls once upon a time BTW??? Havent read a comic in a month. Started hatin' 'em. Chr. NP: Word of Life - ....Dust > Steven Tice > Calliope Comics > (But one of many...) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 03:44:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:44:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: COmIX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It was the subliminal programming inserted in the BOC issues of > Defenders in > the seventies. The earlier issue, which David Kraft dedicated to Rush, was happily less effective! BTW, the latest issue of MM's Multiverse plugs Sonique's url - so you'd better get it up to date, mate!! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Apr 21 07:05:26 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:05:26 +0200 Subject: HW: Updated site Message-ID: Hi folks Have a look at: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ (updated on 19.04.1998) Bernhard From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 07:20:30 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:20:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: COmIX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In a message dated 98-04-20 14:05:24 EDT, you write: > << I know we raved about this for a while a few months back, but did we > ever get a definitive answer to the question of probability with regards > to the number of Comic Shop Owners on BOC-L? ie - why the flip are > there so many of yew guys in one places - what are the odds? >> Obviously all fans of the Stalk Forrest Group who tracked down copies of "Arthur Comics" and have stuck with the band ever since. (-: - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 21 07:35:21 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:35:21 EDT Subject: Big Flats gig? In-Reply-To: <353BDC71.55F6@palmnet.net> Message-ID: From: Shawn Quinn > > Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > > > I see BOC's playing in Big Flats, NY 26 June at the Budweiser stage. > > Torgo, this sounds like your neck of the woods. What kind of gig is > > it? Multi-band wheezer show, or BOC solo gig? > > theo > > > I grew up 5 miles from Big Flats - in East Corining...SMQ BOC played there a couple years ago. What's up with that? Big Flats isn't a big city at all. How come BOC plays there? County Fair grounds or something? Did you go to the last gig? theo From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Apr 21 08:13:58 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:13:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: More Jaxx Stuff & Balt. BBQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Maybe its just too much power to sit on top of. I will invest in ear >plugs though. Ted had the brand recommended by Al and said they're >pretty good. I would have to say the earplugs are a must...especially if you want to keep listening to those Savatage discs! > >Hopefully Ted or Chuck (AgentOF) can provide you more accurate details >form the Bar-B-Que on Friday, but here are some of the rumors/news that >was buzzing around the club. The next single off HF will be Harvest >Moon. I think this is a no-brainer as the studio version is perhaps the >best tune on the album and when played live, well if you've heard it you >know this is a killer tune. HM is definitely the next single as Tony showed me the promo for it in Petersburg and they just happened to have a box of them sitting in the dressing room the BBQ....well since Chuck isn't chiming in, I guess it's up to me! we got to T Appleschmidt's around 1:00 .....Too Hip had already set up and things were slow....we sat around and BS'd....people didn't really start showing up till around 3:30 - 4:00..... there were some weird looks from the regulars when THFTR started playing...if you've ever heard their stuff or their BOC covers you'd understand! Buck, Sandy and Danny finally showed up around 4:00 - 4:30.....Buck went up to jam originally we thought for only 2 numbers.....but he stayed for a while :-) Beatles numbers seemed to be the thing to play....and there were a bunch as well as Everly Bros., Beach Boys and a whole bunch of staples (Soul Man, Good Lovin', etc). Danny finally got away from his beer long enough to play (on my Ovation!!!)...all in all, they jammed for about an hour with THFTR...anyone who thought about coming and DIDN'T should be kicking themselves!!! it was a great time! Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Apr 21 08:17:36 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:17:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Balt. BBQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh, and I forgot to add..... Buck also played "Real World" "In Thee" and a slow "Burnin' For You" (it was an all acoustic set if I forgot to mention) Ted From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 21 08:53:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:53:39 -0700 Subject: BOC: Comix Message-ID: The >BOC-L/comics connection is dark indeed, an alchemical concotion that in a flash of sleazy rock'n'roll, drug-braindamage and a misguided childhood of being raised by DC and Marvel comics (and their beefy men in the colorful underwear) set all the wrong wheels in motion... if you ask *me* anyway 8-() I agree with this so keep it in mind when I answer your question below.... > How 'bout taking a poll of "SF/comics-likers" and "non-SF/comics-likers" just to get the psychotic statistics down? Weren't there BOC-L polls once upon a time BTW??? Comic liker, not nearly as much as I used to. Now it gets hazy, did comics come before or after BOC? Hmmm must have been before... >As an aside, for my money, Buck's bestest solo is on the original "Subhuman". Oooh, suits me sir. Chris Underpants Oh Chris U just hit a real tender spot. Are we talking ST or Feet/Knees version? I am partial to Feet/Knees, this is the one song I play most often for the unitiated.... >I also got a pic of me with Buck, 'cept Buck looks cool and I look a real dick :) Does anyone have a picture of Buck while he's wearing his glasses? >Adrian, Nice meeting you at JAXX! Very entertaining review, also. chuck Mutual Chuck, it was quite a show, made even better meeting folks like you and Ted. How was the bar-b-que? >Also saw the European cover to HF, which I have to admit is an improvement. I can see AB ordering an import copy specially :)) I was tempted to ask Buck about the cover but thought better of it. A european cover is reason enough alone to place this order. >What are they following BFY with? Cities on Flame. I really liked BFY at the top of the order, it works well here. - Andy >Eric asked on AOL what 2 songs we all think should be added to the list. I think all but one person said Damaged. But it didn't get played. Ted or Chuck please correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't the setlist getting an overhaul in May? Think Bobby needs to learn a few of the HF songs a bit better before they do this. HW>Just another example of Rush ripping of Rock Legends of the 70's. Ah c'mon guys do we need to order more anti-inflamatory medication? Theo any re-fills left 8>). L8er Ghost in The Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 09:18:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:18:38 +0100 Subject: INNER CITY UNIT In-Reply-To: <19980420155934.26231.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah! Now we're cookin'! Who else in the band these days? Same as on Now You Know? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 09:27:07 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:27:07 PDT Subject: BOC: COmIX Message-ID: >Obviously all fans of the Stalk Forrest Group who tracked down copies of >"Arthur Comics" and have stuck with the band ever since. (-: > >- Mike Godwin > Whoh - you are sooo gonna hafta explain that! Whaddaya talkin' about? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 21 09:33:22 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:33:22 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkeye etc Message-ID: Recieved a note from Adrian. For those who didn't, it says... Hawkeye 8 Due May. A short note...Work On The Hawkwind Chronicles book has kept me busy these last six months, hence the delay with Hawkeye 8, which has just been started and will be out in May. It will contain a review of the Strange daze Festival in America and the Autumn British Tour, along with a few other goodies. Price is still 2.50 (see below for address). The Hawkwind Chronicles book is really starting to take shape now, though there's still much to do and i'm looking for a realistic publishing date in 1999. There's a few things I still need info on, like the line-ups and dates of the Agents Of Chaos/Hawkdog gigs from 1988/89, the set lists from gigs in July 1976 and Sonic Assassin gig in 1977. If you can help, I'd like to hear from you. Adrian Parr 6 Conifers Close, teddington, Middlesex TW11 9JG England _______________________________________________________________________ The rest of the note is stuff you already knew, excepting perhaps Dave is mixing material from Strange Daze for future release and on the live front HW plan to tour Europe in May, returning for Strange Daze 2 in August. -- blanga blanga blanga Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 09:42:26 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:42:26 PDT Subject: BOC: Comix Message-ID: >> How 'bout taking a poll of "SF/comics-likers" and "non-SF/comics-likers" >just to get the psychotic statistics down? Weren't there BOC-L polls >once upon a time BTW??? SF = cool Comix = superheroes/nah, strange or intelligent/yeah >>As an aside, for my money, Buck's bestest solo is on the original "Subhuman". > Oooh, suits me sir. >Chris Underpants > >Oh Chris U just hit a real tender spot. Are we talking ST or Feet/Knees >version? I am partial to Feet/Knees, this is the one song I play most >often for the unitiated.... I'm speaking about the Original from Secret Treaties. I'll tell you that I much prefer OYFOOYK's version of the song, but the solo on the Subhuman from ST is sooooooo much better. Mind yew, the solos on Blue Oyster Cult (from Imaginos obviously) are pretty scarily sweet...but who played them??? >HW>Just another example of Rush ripping of Rock Legends of the 70's. > L8er, (a Ghost in The Ruins) hoped.. >Ah c'mon guys do we need to order more anti-inflamatory medication? >Theo any re-fills left 8>). > Please take this in the spirit in which it was given.... You read the whole post I hope, so you _know_ I was just kidding. In fact EVERYONE has ignored that post, so I must have absolutely NO sense of humour, 'cos I laughed my plums off whilst writing it. Heavy sighs. Chris the Underpantz AKA da Horse Whisperer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Apr 21 09:50:52 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:50:52 +0200 Subject: HW: tour Message-ID: Hi folks Oh happy days!! Received today my ticket for the HAWKWIND gig in Tilburg on 17.05.98 Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 21 10:11:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:11:38 EDT Subject: BOC: Comix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > >Eric asked on AOL what 2 songs we all think should be added to the list. I > think all but one person said Damaged. But it didn't get played. > > Ted or Chuck please correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't the setlist > getting an overhaul in May? Think Bobby needs to learn a few of the HF > songs a bit better before they do this. > AB, Did you get this from the AOL or from something said at the Jaxx gig? This is great news, as I'm up for seeing them in June, after they've had a while to fine tune the new set [hopefully]. I take it this indicates that Bobby is to be a fixture with the band now? Good news, as BR can pound with anyone. Hope they keep Flaming Telepaths in the set, though, along with TCtLDoM... theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 21 09:25:36 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:25:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: Sons of Otis - Spacejumbofudge Message-ID: Hey, just found this in the clearout bin for 25 NOK (about 3-4 bucks). Sludgy, Orange & marijuana powered dino-spacegrunge. Sounds alot like Fu Manchu and Kyuss... Carl or Daniel must be into these guys...? I'd never heard of them. Labelmates of Voivod as well (Hypnotic). Also picked up the reissue of Fluid's first two mini albums Roadmouth and Glue at the same price (undeservedly forgotten Seattle trailblazers!) Chr. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 21 10:27:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:27:04 -0400 Subject: Review of HF Message-ID: >I think it was great that they moved BFY to open the shows at present. Those that want to here it are immediately rewarded and get "in the mood", while those of us that have heard it 10000 times have it out of the way:-) Good points, although it seems a little funny that we BOC fans would want to get a song "out of the way". Not disagreeing with you, just making an observation... Someone else pointed out something that I also agree with as far as having "The Big 3" together - once BFY (or B4U) starts, you know the show is ending soon. I like the idea of using this as an opener though - like Jack says, gets a lot of people "in the mood". >Hey, I liked it several years ago, but I would have to say it's get a beer time for me at shows now:-) Hey, I always stock up before BOC hits the stage... :-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 21 10:36:35 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:36:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: More Jaxx Stuff Message-ID: >I will invest in ear plugs though. Ted had the brand recommended by Al and said they're pretty good. Sonic II Noisefilters - I use 'em too. I think they're great. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 21 10:43:00 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers Message-ID: >What tracks off of HF do you think would be "good" for dancing to (as in topless type dancing, BTW). Personally, I'm not sure ANY of HF's tracks would work that great for topless dancing (maybe Hammer Back?) - although any girl that could keep up with See You in Black is gonna get a LOT of tips... ;-) Actually, this reminds me of something that's crossed my mind a few times - how 'bout getting Victoria's Secret or some other lingerie company to do an ad campaign using BOC's See You in Black? At least, everytime *I* hear "I'd Like to See You in Black", I immediately think of leather and lace... ;-) John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 11:46:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:46:23 +0100 Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers In-Reply-To: <199804211443.KAA01890@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > Actually, this reminds me of something that's crossed my mind a > few times - > how 'bout getting Victoria's Secret or some other lingerie company to do > an ad campaign using BOC's See You in Black? At least, everytime *I* > hear "I'd Like to See You in Black", I immediately think of leather and > lace... ;-) > > John > Makes *me* think of chadors... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Tue Apr 21 11:50:32 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:50:32 +0200 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F128C55@VEG12_EXCH> from "Pospiech, Bernhard" at Apr 21, 98 03:50:52 pm Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard har 'zegd: > > Hi folks > > Oh happy days!! > > Received today my ticket for the HAWKWIND gig in Tilburg on 17.05.98 Hey?!?!?!?!? You got more info on that one? Gonna be in Noorderligt, I reckon? Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Apr 21 11:52:32 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:52:32 -0400 Subject: BOC HF fungus song poll Message-ID: My current Fungus Song is Still Burning. When I first heard it, I though it was o.k., not really a worthy sequal to BFY, but after several spins, I've found myself humming/singing it here and there. How about this for a tee-shirt idea. Front: "On Flame" "with Rock and Roll" Back: "Still Burnin" Angel/Gaia "Blue Oyster Cult" > ---------- > From: BREVARD, Adrian R.[SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 5:37 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC HF fungus song poll > > Is anyone else experiencing a fungus-like reaction to X-Ray Eyes? > >This song just grows on me more and more every time I hear it! > > > Nope, my fungus song is Cold Grey Light Of Dawn. > > >What, no honorable mention for By-Tor and the Snow Dog? > Theo > > Take you medicine Theo. The Snow Dog bites back; don't fuck with > By-Tor. I love this tune. > > DK - Damn good review fella. > > We're off to see BOC, and I agree John that was hardly a ringing > endorsement of BOC in the Post but who knows what the intent was. > Just > appeared a little ironic to me, more like he/she were questioning > themselves. > > Ghost in the Ruins > From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 21 11:53:31 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:53:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: COmIX In-Reply-To: <19980421132707.6911.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I wrote: > >Obviously all fans of the Stalk Forrest Group who tracked down copies > of "Arthur Comics" and have stuck with the band ever since. (-: On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > Whoh - you are sooo gonna hafta explain that! Whaddaya talkin' about? It's a song about comics from the legendary unreleased Stalk Forrest Group album, which featured most of BOC except Eric, I think. (I haven't got the FAQ by me). Demo copies of the "Arthur Comics" single, which is the B-side of "Quicksand", do exist. It's a great little song with Buck soloing in his best 'Buck's Boogie' style. Any more info, anyone? Like details on whether "Arthur Comics" really existed? - Mike Godwin From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 21 12:06:01 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:06:01 +0100 Subject: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I was there, I found you all at the end thanks to Jason's Nethawks shirt! This year I plan to wear either my Porcupine Tree or my Hawkwind one, and beer is a _good_ plan... Can anyone locate Charlie Grant? Yours, Jon On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Hardman DK wrote: > the people there, but can't recall everyone's names. Anyway, if you're > gonna be there in June we should meet up for a beer! > > Anyone else going to the Astoria show? > > Dave > > > ****************************************************************************** > > David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner > HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" > School of Informatics (John Hegley) > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > ***************************************************************************** > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 21 12:03:48 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:03:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: COmIX In-Reply-To: <199804210723.JAA03785@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804210723.JAA03785 at online.no>, reset writes >Does not explain what led Jon Browne to take up that subversive profession >of ill repute and how it connects to his obsession with Hawkwind. There is a connection, but I am not at liberty to discuss on the grounds I may incriminate myself. early Bryan Talbot has something to do with it. -- Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 21 12:09:24 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:09:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <199804201341.OAA24190@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this group and how good are they? Yours, Jon On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, bart wrote: > > Well, I'm back, mellower than ever, and I popped into town today to pick up > > my BOC Astoria ticket, and noticed that the Masters of Reality are at the > > LA2 on Sunday 14th June. Anyone (Tim :) going? > > almost certainly yes yes yes !! :-) > > > > Tim > From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Apr 21 12:15:47 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:15:47 EDT Subject: BOC: BBQ East Message-ID: It sure was nice meeting everyone this weekend in Richmond, Jaxx, and Baltimore at both Mickey's and Appleschmidt's. Some of you may now, some may not, that Friday morning, Buck and I and Ted Jones (Swansea), were on the radio XL-102 raising money for a Doctor that is trying to create a Home Hospice Program in Richmond. It was a big success as the DJ's, Jeff and Jeff, committed to the Doc to do some Radiothons for him in the future. Buck played an incredible acoustic Reaper and In Thee. They also played 4 other BOC tunes, including Damaged. It was a great start to the BBQ. Saturday at Appleschmidt's has incredible. THFTR played 27 songs before the special guests came which included hilarious versions of: A Surf version of Godzilla, Tony from THFTR calls it Tequila Godzilla Harvester Of Eyes to the music of a Horse With No Name Verterans of a 1000 Psychic Wars/House of the Rising Sun Medley (Celtic bent) Fire of Unknown Origin to OD'ed On Life Music Lips In The Hills/Joan Crawford Medley Tears On My Pillow/Veins Medley Maybe Baby/In Thee Medley Sole Survivor/Soul Man Medley Harvest Moon Blade Blade/Last Days of May/to the music of B4 The Kiss This stuff is hilarious. Then the special guest arrived: Buck and Sandy Dharma and Danny Miranda. They played in various combinations: In Thee In My Life Blackbird Money Can't Buy Me Love Real World They took a break and THFTR played Don't Fear The Reaper, Burnin For You, from their new CD "World's Greatest Hips", which features Buck on vocals. Then the guest came back on and played: Hard Day's Night If I Fell Johnny B. Goode Burnin For You God Only Knows All I Have To Do Is Dream Soul Man Good Lovin' Stand By Me Pulling Mussells Form A Shell It was great to see BOC three times in three days, but the THFTR concert was more precious that anything I've seen since the Dixie Tavern gig of the BDB. And to think that we helped in a little way to support dying children is very gratifying. I think all BOC fans would love to have THFTR's latest CD called "World Greatest Hips", email Zurna at aol.com for info on it. It's a hoot! chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 12:41:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:41:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this > group and how good are they? Yours, > Jon > > Well, I actually only have one album of theirs, their eponymous (obtBS :) debut from 1988, which I think I bought on the strength of being produced by Rick Rubin... but it's really excellent (even if it now sounds a teensy bit old-fashioned). Obviously a bit Sabbath-y, and heavy as fuck! They made another album with Ginger Baker (obHW!) but I didn't get it for some reason (like maybe commencing self-employment and owing lots of money). I didn't even realise they were still around until yesterday when I saw the notice in the Astoria. Tickets are only a tenner! (i.e. two-fifty less than BOC :) - Andy ObCD: _Masters of Reality_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 12:41:12 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:41:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: COmIX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Any more info, anyone? Like details on whether "Arthur Comics" really > existed? I always took it to be a play on Archie Comics? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 21 13:23:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:23:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <000a01bd6d44$4a730ea0$693f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this > > group and how good are they? Yours, > > Jon > > > > > > Well, I actually only have one album of theirs, their eponymous (obtBS :) > debut from 1988, which I think I bought on the strength of being produced by > Rick Rubin... but it's really excellent (even if it now sounds a teensy bit > old-fashioned). Obviously a bit Sabbath-y, and heavy as fuck! > I believe the debut is called The Blue Garden, though that may have been changed when the album was re-released on a subsequent label [Def American?] These guys are from my home town, and I saw them a hundred times when they were a bar band. My wife went to high school with Chris. Sadly, they splintered right after the first album, and their best musician, the guitarist Tim Herrington departed. I don't see much similarity to Sab, other than the name. Great lyrics, and spooky as hell. By far the better of the two albums... > They made another album with Ginger Baker (obHW!) but I didn't get it for > some reason (like maybe commencing self-employment and owing lots of money). > I didn't even realise they were still around until yesterday when I saw the > notice in the Astoria. > This album, Sunrise on the Suffer Bus, was well received by critics, and is pretty good, though obviously lacking a bit in the heavy guitar area. Good songs and lyrics too. I don't know what the lineup is at present. Far as I know, Chris is the only original member. For the second album, the group was just a trio. They always put on a great stage show. Should be a helluva gig... theo From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Apr 21 13:48:29 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:48:29 -0500 Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >What tracks off of HF do you think would be "good" for dancing to (as > in > topless type dancing, BTW). > > Personally, I'm not sure ANY of HF's tracks would work that great for > topless dancing (maybe Hammer Back?) - although any girl that could > keep > up with See You in Black is gonna get a LOT of tips... ;-) > > Actually, this reminds me of something that's crossed my mind a few > times - > how 'bout getting Victoria's Secret or some other lingerie company to > do > an ad campaign using BOC's See You in Black? At least, everytime *I* > hear "I'd Like to See You in Black", I immediately think of leather > and > lace... ;-) Given the other things that this set of girls are dancing to, it's not that fast. We are talking some of them dance to Yngwie Malmsteen. Later next week I'll let the list know how the dancing went... -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Tue Apr 21 13:46:04 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:46:04 -0700 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: The second one is good too, with Ginger Baker on drums. *She got me, when she's got her red dress on!* Uh huh!!! Good stuff. The 1st one is a bargain bin find. And Andy's right...it's heavy duty. Cream on a huge dose of steroids; or if you prefer, a very arty take on Mountain. Cheers Steven Davies-Morris -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 9:49 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Masters of Reality > I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this > group and how good are they? Yours, > Jon > > Well, I actually only have one album of theirs, their eponymous (obtBS :) debut from 1988, which I think I bought on the strength of being produced by Rick Rubin... but it's really excellent (even if it now sounds a teensy bit old-fashioned). Obviously a bit Sabbath-y, and heavy as fuck! They made another album with Ginger Baker (obHW!) but I didn't get it for some reason (like maybe commencing self-employment and owing lots of money). I didn't even realise they were still around until yesterday when I saw the notice in the Astoria. Tickets are only a tenner! (i.e. two-fifty less than BOC :) - Andy ObCD: _Masters of Reality_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 21 12:36:03 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:36:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:09:24 BST." Message-ID: > I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this > group and how good are they? Err. Band led by Chris Goss (producer of the latter few Kyuss albums). Only 2 real studio albums - The Blue Garden - kind of ZZTop with a vague BOC tinge in the lyrics, a lazy perhaps texas psych twang here and there with a small dollop of Sabbath on the side. This is a totally excellent album. If you find the copy with Dolraldina's Prophecies on it, yer lucky 'cos its one of their best. Other notables tracks are Domino, Lookin to get Rite (great acoustic number) and Kill the King (nothing to do with Dio). Their second, _Sunrise on the Sufferbus_ is much lighter in style, even though Ginger Baker stepped in on drums. Album didn't do them any favours although some tracks grow on you. Style is much more straightforward bluesy rock pop ditties. Live - I have no idea, though I recall reading a gig review in Kerrang! just after Blue Garden & they thought it was the dogs bollox. Last year they put out "How High the Moon - live at the viper room" which is pretty good - some new songs in there, but the sound quality isn't brilliant. I lent Blue Garden to some of my (BOC fan) friends at university, including Jason of this list, and they hated it. You'll either love it or be less than impressed, I've found. YMMV cheers, Tim NP: Masters of Reality _Blue Garden_ "when I was young I didn't know, summer days seemed 25 years long. now I ain't much wiser but I know that its a drag to be alone" JB Witchdance From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Apr 21 13:54:53 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:54:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: French Revolution ? (Was Re: OFF: Geezer...Black Science) Message-ID: >Here's the story as I...for Rainbow again. Oh, really, my vote for Fin Costello as the coolest photographer ever, haha, wonderful, I'll bet Ritchie and Ronnie laughed too, they seems to be so relaxed ; ^> >I imagine it was just that Rainbow were all so jealous of Rush! I'm >surprised that they didn't copy By-Tor & the Snow Dog, or Am I Going >Bald, or The Trees, rather than BD? What's up with those guys? Yepp, I can almost see Ritchie and Ronnie smiling through I Think I'm Goin Bald, inspiring Ronnie to do a follow-up called I Wish I Were Longer. >Hmm...A lot of people voted for Ronald Reagan too! Yes, of course, I think his politics stinks, but one can't deny his skills, he really accomplished what he set out to do, lowering the taxes and sink the Sovietunion, the first at enormous costs for the poor of the US. What worries me is that people buy Stones albums. >Methinks thou doth protest too much... I don't know why people put down Rush and their fans, we are rather serious about our favourite band, so I might be rather agitated sometimes. On the other hand I don't put people down for liking bands like UFO or Status Quo, who in my opinion are plain stupid, totally unbearable. And there is also the fact that english is not my first language so sometimes when I try to joke and forgets the smiler no-one will notice my intent. >> >Did You know that Rush is the fourth band when it comes to the amount >> >of recieved gold discs, only Kiss, The Beatles and Rolling Stones >> >have got more. >> >> Hm? Not Elvis or Sinatra or something like that? Well, since when are Elvis and Sinatra a band ? ; ^> >I'm not ashamed to admit I'm a Rush fan, but as great as they are . . . >unfortunately, they're not fourth in the amount of gold discs received. I were mistaken, they were third tie with Kiss, this was when Test For Echo was released so...approx 1.5 years back but it is the truth, I won't bet my life but almost... It was BANDS not artists, of course, D Ross, Elvis, Sinatra...I would guess that bands have bigger troubles to maintain the interest due to changing line-ups, splitting up, reunions etc etc >Nice wishful thinking Kenneth! Wishful thinking is one of the big troubles in my life. >Karen Nice to hear from You, Karen, hur g?r det med svenskan ? Kenneth -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 mailto:bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Apr 21 14:19:58 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:19:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: >> From: Andy Gilham >> >> Well, I actually only have one album of theirs, their eponymous (obtBS :) >> debut from 1988, which I think I bought on the strength of being produced by >> Rick Rubin... but it's really excellent (even if it now sounds a teensy bit >> old-fashioned). Obviously a bit Sabbath-y, and heavy as fuck! >> >I believe the debut is called The Blue Garden, though that may have >been changed when the album was re-released on a subsequent label >[Def American?] These guys are from my home town, and I saw them a >hundred times when they were a bar band. My wife went to high school >with Chris. Sadly, they splintered right after the first album, and >their best musician, the guitarist Tim Herrington departed. I don't >see much similarity to Sab, other than the name. Great lyrics, and >spooky as hell. By far the better of the two albums... Theo, wasn't Syracuse r&b legend "Little Georgie" a keyboardist for MoR at some point? I never knew they were from Syracuse until long after I first heard them. (special thanks to the infamous Steve Swann who put the songs "Domino" and "The Blue Garden" on a mix tape for me during the great *April Fool's Day Tape Exchange* back in '93. My apologies to Scott Heller for the terrible songs I put on his mix tape. Hey, I was young.) We had The Blue Garden on LP at my college radio station and I used to play "Domino" fairly often on my radio show. A hard-rockin' song with a fun, sing-along chorus. The only thing I remember about their 2nd album was an odd song about the proper way to make a cup of tea. Anyway, the gig should be a lot of fun. Whoever goes, be sure to report back the details! Brian obCD> Little Georgie and the Shuffling Hungarians "Live From Styleen's Rhythm Palace" >> They made another album with Ginger Baker (obHW!) but I didn't get it for >> some reason (like maybe commencing self-employment and owing lots of money). >> I didn't even realise they were still around until yesterday when I saw the >> notice in the Astoria. >> >This album, Sunrise on the Suffer Bus, was well received by critics, >and is pretty good, though obviously lacking a bit in the heavy >guitar area. Good songs and lyrics too. I don't know what the >lineup is at present. Far as I know, Chris is the only original >member. For the second album, the group was just a trio. They >always put on a great stage show. Should be a helluva gig... > >theo -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Apr 21 14:09:45 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:09:45 +0200 Subject: SV: HW: tour Message-ID: >Hi folks Cheers Bernhard and the rest of the crew! > > >Oh happy days!! > >Received today my ticket for the HAWKWIND gig in Tilburg on 17.05.98 Hmmmm, nice to hear and what about touring in Scandinavia as well boys? > > > > > >Bernhard Henrik > ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 21 14:35:08 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:35:08 EDT Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C761AA981@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > Theo, wasn't Syracuse r&b legend > "Little Georgie" a keyboardist for > MoR at some point? I never knew they > were from Syracuse until long after I first > heard them. > Dunno 'bout that. The only guy I remember seeing on keys was 'Mr. Owl,' whose real name was Al Dunn, and who went to my high school [though only briefly, and a grade behind me so I didn't know him]. He played on the first album, but for some reason wasn't considered a member of the band, a la 'Stew' Stewart of the --ugh-- Rolling Stones... > > We had The Blue Garden on LP at my > college radio station and I used to play > "Domino" fairly often on my radio show. > A hard-rockin' song with a fun, sing-along > chorus. The only thing I remember about > their 2nd album was an odd song about > the proper way to make a cup of tea. > Howls! Another great tune on the first album was Kill the King--great song. If anyone wants to hear more of Tim Herrington, check out the Bogeyman's album There's No Such Thing...a really good album heard by, what 20 people? BTW, Ginger bailed shortly after the second album. No idea who's pounding for the Masters now... theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Apr 21 21:34:18 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeit) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:34:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: Massive inspiration to all the various stoner bands, they've released three albums (although I think the last on eonly came out in the US). Ginger Baker was briefly in the band (I saw them then and he was truly appalling). Mainman Chris Goss also produced the last album by Thee Hypnotics. Baker aside they put on a good, albeit short show. Zeit Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > I can feel my wallet aching with the question, but who is this > group and how good are they? Yours, > Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 14:43:03 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:43:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C761AA981@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > > (special thanks to the infamous Steve > Swann who put the songs "Domino" and > "The Blue Garden" on a mix tape for me > during the great *April Fool's Day Tape > Exchange* back in '93. My apologies to > Scott Heller for the terrible songs I put > on his mix tape. Hey, I was young.) > Tell me more... I didn't come on board until sometime in '94... (Just in time for _Cult Classic_ :) - Andy ObCD: V/A - _Til Def Us Do Part_ ('cos it's got "Doraldina's Prophesies" on it :) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What's up with those guys? > > Yepp, I can almost see Ritchie and Ronnie smiling through I Think I'm Goin > Bald, inspiring Ronnie to do a follow-up called I Wish I Were Longer. > Well, for sure, Ronnie must be jealous of Geddy's voice [and his nickname...] > >Hmm...A lot of people voted for Ronald Reagan too! > > Yes, of course, I think his politics stinks, but one can't deny his skills, > he really accomplished what he set out to do, lowering the taxes and sink > the Sovietunion, the first at enormous costs for the poor of the US. > Funny, my taxes went up every year during his reign. See, I'm a working stiff. Only people whose taxes went down in those years were rich people who didn't need the tax break anyway. Far as the Soviet Union, they fell apart under the weight of their bureaucracy. Dutch had nothing to do with it. BTW, this great patriot who was supposed to get the government off people's backs saw the federal gov't grow more during his admin than any other US pres.! > What worries me is that people buy Stones albums. > Well, I agree with ya on that one! Though I hear the albums don't sell too well, yet people go to their infernal concerts. I work right near the venue for last week's show. You should see the crowd. All yuppie assholes desperately trying not to look like the pathetic, uncool morons they are... > >Methinks thou doth protest too much... > > I don't know why people put down Rush and their fans, we are rather serious > about our favourite band, so I might be rather agitated sometimes. On the The only reason I pick on ya is 'cause you all are such easy targets! If even a single Rush fan would admit: Yeah, I know Geddy's voice is an embarassment, and the lyrics are silly, but I like the band anyway, I'd probably leave them alone. But people feel a need to defend them so much that I can't resist. Christian, help,. I'm sinking! > other hand I don't put people down for liking bands like UFO or Status Quo, > who in my opinion are plain stupid, totally unbearable. And there is also > the fact that english is not my first language so sometimes when I try to > joke and forgets the smiler no-one will notice my intent. > Well, BOC has had it's share of bombers too, but I freely admit them! theo From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Apr 21 14:40:38 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:40:38 +0200 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 17:50 1998-04-21 +0200, you wrote: >> Received today my ticket for the HAWKWIND gig in Tilburg on >>17.05.98 >Hey?!?!?!?!? You got more info on that one? Here it is: 15.05.1998 Belgium 16.05.1998 Belgium 17.05.1998 Tilburg, Noorderligt 22.05.1998 Zoetermeer >Gonna be in Noorderligt, I reckon? OK. cu there Bernhard From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 21 15:21:43 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:21:43 PDT Subject: BOC: Big Flats Message-ID: Theo said.... >I see BOC's playing in Big Flats, NY 26 June at the Budweiser stage. >Torgo, this sounds like your neck of the woods. What kind of gig is > it? Multi-band wheezer show, or BOC solo gig? I have never been there, but I know where the area is. I am going to try and make this show, or die trying. Anyone with some serious details about the gig... spit em out please. ;^) I'm hoping for a solo gig, The Wheezer gig at Fireworks last year was NOT enough BOC for me!! No new tunes were played!!! I wanna hear HARVEST!!!!!!!! :^D Lurk, lurk, lurk.... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Apr 21 15:33:42 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:33:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 (was RE: Masters of Reality) Message-ID: >> (special thanks to the infamous Steve >> Swann who put the songs "Domino" and >> "The Blue Garden" on a mix tape for me >> during the great *April Fool's Day Tape >> Exchange* back in '93. My apologies to >> Scott Heller for the terrible songs I put >> on his mix tape. Hey, I was young.) > >Tell me more... I didn't come on board until sometime in '94... > >(Just in time for _Cult Classic_ :) > The idea was to have a mass BOC-L tape trade of strange/obscure/bizarre music around April Fool's Day. Someone (sorry, I forget who exactly) collected the names and addresses of the people who were interested. That person then sent everyone a message stating who to make their mix tape for, and their address. Not long after I sent a mix tape to Scott (including some choice cuts from GWAR and Vanilla Trainwreck :-P) I received a tape from Steve Swann. It had some Monster Magnet, Manowar, Metal Church, Tad, Prism, April Wine, etc. and of course, Masters of Reality. The MM song on the tape was "Cyclops Revolution" and it was the 1st song I ever heard by MM. I promptly went out and bought Spine of God (I still haven't bought Superjudge for some reason...) Brian >- Andy > >ObCD: V/A - _Til Def Us Do Part_ ('cos it's got "Doraldina's Prophesies" on it :) > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3259 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 21 15:44:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:44:47 -0700 Subject: OFF: Getting or Throwing Stone(d) Message-ID: > What worries me is that people buy Stones albums. > >Well, I agree with ya on that one! Though I hear the albums don't sell too well, yet people go to their infernal concerts. I work right near the venue for last week's show. You should see the crowd. All yuppie assholes desperately trying not to look like the pathetic, uncool morons they are... Relax now Theo. A few months back we both got bashed as some perceived we were bashing this band. Truth is I'm not a big Stones fan but I will admit they have a rabid following. Maybe they are more event than band these days. BTW - the thing on the setlist changing in May I got from Ted or Chuck (more likely Ted). Only had one beer that night so I have no idea why this is all fuzzy. Ted, Chuck Help me! Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 21 15:52:26 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:52:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: New Savatage Fan Message-ID: Ted A>I would have to say the earplugs are a must...especially if you want to keep listening to those Savatage discs! Howls! Give me a chance to rap to some fellow Sava - Fans on this list and together we will concoct a compliation tape of their music that will make you salivate. You should note too that Savatage is much bigger in Europe than the US and as your bound to cross the great pond in the near future you may be seeing them a lot over there. OK now who can I get ...lets see John, Torgo, yeah Torgo's great with tapes.... Ted>anyone who thought about coming and DIDN'T should be kicking themselves!!! it was a great time! {SNIP} oh, and I forgot to add..... Buck also played "Real World" ARRGGGHHHHH! Damn you warned me I didn't want to miss this. Now I'm really depressed that my wife wouldn't let me out of the house two nights in a row...8>) "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick Ghost in the Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 21 16:56:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:56:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 (was RE: Masters of Reality) In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C761AA986@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > The idea was to have a mass BOC-L tape > trade of strange/obscure/bizarre music around > April Fool's Day. Sounds interesting! Worth a reprise I should think! 1998 midsummer madness??? Were there any guidelines on content, or anything goes? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(FAA) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Apr 22 00:22:29 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:22:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Comix & Subhuman Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-21 09:43:44 EDT, you write: << SF = cool Comix = superheroes/nah, strange or intelligent/yeah But what about the strange and intelligent superhero comics? >> Mind yew, the solos on Blue Oyster Cult (from Imaginos obviously) are pretty scarily sweet...but who played them??? You know, I still insist on calling that song Subhuman. :-) According to Albert, Robbie Kreiger played lead on the Imaginos version. SET From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 22 00:55:32 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:55:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Savatage Fan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez: >Howls! Give me a chance to rap to some fellow Sava - Fans on this list >and together we will concoct a compliation tape of their music that will >make you salivate. You should note too that Savatage is much bigger in >Europe than the US and as your bound to cross the great pond in the near >future you may be seeing them a lot over there. OK now who can I get >...lets see John, Torgo, yeah Torgo's great with tapes.... > well, to tell you the truth..... I have "Handful of Rain".... and it's ok.....just doesn't really grab me though....Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray," now THAT grabs me > >ARRGGGHHHHH! Damn you warned me I didn't want to miss this. Now I'm >really depressed that my wife wouldn't let me out of the house two >nights in a row...8>) > well, I TRIED to tell you........... but would you listen? noooo.......... got some good pictures though! a couple real nice ones of Danny playing my guitar too.... Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 22 00:59:02 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:59:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Comix In-Reply-To: <18086F34BDC@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: TJ sez: >> Ted or Chuck please correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't the setlist >> getting an overhaul in May? Think Bobby needs to learn a few of the HF >> songs a bit better before they do this. >> >AB, >Did you get this from the AOL or from something said at the Jaxx gig? > This is great news, as I'm up for seeing them in June, after they've >had a while to fine tune the new set [hopefully]. I take it this >indicates that Bobby is to be a fixture with the band now? Good >news, as BR can pound with anyone. this is actually something that was inferred from something Danny said to someone during a conversation..... no actual confirmation on this....just a hint... >Hope they keep Flaming Telepaths in the set, though, along with well, since it's coupled with SYIB with Buck on his Epiphone Les Paul Junior (tuned down a step) I imagine they'll probably keep it around unless they find another song to play with this.... Ted From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 22 10:36:11 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeit) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:36:11 -0700 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 (was RE: Masters of Reality) Message-ID: Ditto. Sounds like a good idea. Zeit Keith Henderson wrote: > >Sounds interesting! Worth a reprise I should think! > > > >1998 midsummer madness??? > > June 20/21?? > > I'd be in. > > Keith H. (FAA) -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ E-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 22 03:46:56 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:46:56 +0200 Subject: BOC: Comix & Subhuman Message-ID: > In a message dated 98-04-21 09:43:44 EDT, you write: > > << SF = cool > Comix = superheroes/nah, strange or intelligent/yeah Steven Tice writes: > But what about the strange and intelligent superhero comics? Like, uh, Defenders? Challengers of the Unknown perhaps? The Creeper? All pretty weird/smart superhero comix - with BOC appearances/references... Chr. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Apr 22 04:39:57 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:39:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:23:29 EDT." <183B9790379@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > This album, Sunrise on the Suffer Bus, was well received by critics, > and is pretty good, though obviously lacking a bit in the heavy > guitar area. Good songs and lyrics too. I don't know what the > lineup is at present. Far as I know, Chris is the only original > member. For the second album, the group was just a trio. They > always put on a great stage show. Should be a helluva gig... On "How high the Moon", I seem to recall Googe being in the band, who was on bass from Blue Garden. Also, its a four piece, with a lead guitarist, but not Tim Herrington. He split to form Bogeymen, but after one album, I guess they sank too. Actually HHtM is pretty decent upon reflection. The new tracks - Alders Smoke Blues, Jindalee Jindalie, Goin' Down, Swingaroo Joe, all rock, plus theres some great renditions of John Brown, Blue Garden & Doraldina's Prophecies cheers Tim From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 22 01:17:26 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:17:26 +0000 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: Anyone ever seen the BOC Live 1976 video? I ran across it at a store recently...it has the same cover as that poor quality CD that's been popping up at record stores over the past couple years. I bought the CD recently, but was disappointed with the sound. Is the video any better? I'm really interested, but wary nonetheless. Can anybody help? --Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Apr 22 01:27:01 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:27:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus Message-ID: Since I was the one who got the whole fungus thing going, I thought maybe we've all had time to debate the opposite. I hate being negative already, but are there any tunes people are getting more turned OFF to at this point? I haven't yet started to skip tracks on HF, but if/when I do, I think 'Real World' will be the first to go. I work in alternative rock radio, and I hate the shit. This tune is too reminiscent of Dave Matthews and a bunch of other crap for my tastes. The Buck vocals and somewhat BOC-bent are the only thing saving it at this time. Leave the acoustics to the 'Unplugged' set. I like my BOC electric! -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 22 06:27:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:27:44 +0000 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: On ons 22 apr 1998 05.17 +0000 "Nick English" wrote: > Anyone ever seen the BOC Live 1976 video? I ran across it at a store > recently...it has the same cover as that poor quality CD that's been > popping up at record stores over the past couple years. I bought the > CD recently, but was disappointed with the sound. Is the video any > better? I'm really interested, but wary nonetheless. It's about the same, but has a few more songs. I always got a kick out of watching the vid, though never listened to the CD much. The quality was crap, but as the only video record of the band from a period when I wasn't old enough to see them, I thought it was big fun. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 22 06:45:31 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:45:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980421005347.007b9620@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: For Chris W and anyone else who's interested: I have the following number for the Astoria. Box Office: 0171 434 0403 Credit card hotline: 0171 420 100 Now, does anyone know where it actually is, and where the nearest tube and decent pint can be found? Because I've never been there... Jon From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 22 06:46:09 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:46:09 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: I have both the video and the CD. From what I saw, I do not believe that there is any difference between them (nothing cut). Alas, the sound quality is the same. However, its one thing to hear a live concert (poor quality and all), its another to SEE and hear it. I love watching the video after someone posts a review of yet another concert that I was unable to attend (sniff), and thus ease my sorrow :) For me, who only started getting into BOC late in life :(, its great to see the old line up and especially see the 5 Guitar Attack. My advice is . . . Get It! > ---------- > From: Nick English[SMTP:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 1:17 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO > > Anyone ever seen the BOC Live 1976 video? I ran across it at a store > recently...it has the same cover as that poor quality CD that's been > popping up at record stores over the past couple years. I bought the > CD recently, but was disappointed with the sound. Is the video any > better? I'm really interested, but wary nonetheless. > > Can anybody help? > > --Nick > From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Apr 22 06:51:31 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:51:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) Message-ID: Jon Jarrett asks : Now, does anyone know where it actually is, and where the nearest tube and decent pint can be found? Because I've never been there... The Astoria is on Charing Cross Road, nearest Tube is prob Charing Cross. Good pub to meet at would be The George, which is also on CX Rd. Cheers, Neil (who may well be there) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 07:02:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:02:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now, does anyone know where it actually is, and where the nearest > tube and decent pint can be found? Because I've never been there... > Jon > Top end of Charing Cross Road, right near Tottenham Court Road tube, Central and Northern Lines. Buses? 176, 24, 29, 38, 14, 22, 10, 74, 8, 25, 7 (and that's just from memory :) Pint - well there's that Royal George place, which is the most obvious, but I think it sucks (and last time I was there it was 2-50 for cooking lager), so I'd suggest either the Angel in St Giles High Street (cross the road outside the Astoria and carry on 100 yds) or the Blue Posts in Tottenham Court Road (behind the Virgin Megastore, opposite the Dominion Theatre). If it's fine, the Angel has a nice little beer garden, if that helps the decision! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 08:16:30 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:16:30 PDT Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: >Ditto. Sounds like a good idea. > >Zeit > >Keith Henderson wrote: > >> >Sounds interesting! Worth a reprise I should think! >> > >> >1998 midsummer madness??? >> >> June 20/21?? >> >> I'd be in. >> >> Keith H. (FAA) Oh, I wanna join in on this thing too. There are people here with v. stramnge tastes in music (myself shyly included) and what a way to expand your head. And what a pleasure it will be compiling those tapes. Chris (Horse Whisperer) "Heaven Forbid They Compile Again" is a title idea. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 22 08:38:23 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:38:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: <19980422121630.22673.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I think I might be up for that... Is anyone going to organise this? Yours, Jon ObTixJustOrdered: Porcupine Tree, Brighton, May 4th! From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 08:40:46 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:40:46 PDT Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: Russell J Hall said >I have both the video and the CD. From what I saw, I do not believe >that there >is any difference between them (nothing cut). Alas, the sound quality >is the same. Nope - ETI is on the video but not on the CD. I reckon this could be because the backing vocals on this song are utterly atrocious and the people who released it reckoned the CD would get more spins than the video, so cut it. Either that or it was just too long for CD recording technology a couple of years back, y'know the 74 minute threshold thing. >For me, who only started getting into BOC late in life :(, its great to >see the old line up and >especially see the 5 Guitar Attack. > >My advice is . . . Get It! > I totally second this, the sound is dodgy, complete with various band members kicking mic stands during their performances and the sound guys mixing in audience mics during D&S leading to terrible bass boom, but I absolutely love this CD, if I had to choose, I'd take Imaginos, Live 76, ONYoOYK and a personal compilation to my desert island. Live 76 is a gem. Even Eric's "Get out a paper, and a pen, and you write Dear Mr. Carter, me an' my friends wanna get high and we don't wanna go to jail for it" and "What's the point of having a hog in the garage if you can't go over 55 miles per hour on it, I mean, I wanna get my motor runnin'!" make sense. True 70's brilliance. Abd with the video you get to see Eric's spilt-to-the-navel leather jumpsuit and the legendary "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, gonna get DOWN to a little Buck's Boogie!". Mad Geniuses all. Arrggghhhh, where's my CD. chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 22 08:39:32 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:39:32 -0700 Subject: OFF: New Sava Fan Message-ID: Ted A.>well, to tell you the truth..... I have "Handful of Rain".... and it's ok.....just doesn't really grab me though....Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray," now THAT grabs me OK Rain is a good start. I like Rain a hell of a lot but the one problem with it is that this is the weakest guitar work in the entire collection. Alex Skolnick was the guitarist for this one and didn't last much longer. While Alex is pretty damn good player and his work on this cd is GREET! (Monty Python anyone?) it pales in comparision to the work of Criss Oliva (God rest his soul), the original guitarist and Al Pitrelli the guitarist on the last two albums plus the Trans Siberian Orchestra project. Try these four albums on for size - Edge of Thorns - Some say they don't like it as much as Rain but I think its a better effort. This cd was a real turning point for the band as it turned out to be Criss last album before his death (auto accident) and Zak (lead singer) first album with the band. Its crunchy/melodic and has a few surprises. Title track, Miles Away, Degrees of Sanity, Follow Me and Sleep are great tunes. Dead Winter Dead - One of three albums I consider perfect. A theme album about the war in Bosnia. Awesome combination of rock/symphony. This album has Christmas Eve Sarajevo on it which is an incredible Symphoonic rock instrumental that got a lot of airplay. Everything on this album is top notch but the best song is One Child, "garunteed to blow your mind." TSO - Christmas Eve and Other Stories - This album is a lot like Imaginos as there is debate, is this really a Savatage album? Of course it is. Paul O'Neil their long time producer wanted to do this project. It features the entire band along with some guest musicians and vocalist. Zak does background vox on one song which dissapoints many but there was a legal reason for this. He and Jon could not sing on this effort otherwise it would have to be released under the name Savatage. Everyone inolved wanted this to be O'Neils project so Zak and Jon did little to no vocals to get it released. Bottom line it is a Savatage album. X-Mas Eve Sarajevo is also on this album and most people associate the song with TSO and not Sav. Wake of Magellan - Whoa stop the presses, album of the year! Yeah its only April and unless King's X puts out a new one this year, its got my vote. Wake is another theme piece and falls just short of DWD for brilliance. Not as Symphonic as DWD but it has magnificient moments. Highlights range from headknockers that rival or surpass SYIB to DWD style Symphonic textures. You must hear Hourglass, Paragons of Innocence, The Storm (Instrumentals) and the song with killer riffs Blackjack Guillotine. Let me know if your band can play this one. There is far more to Sav as this band has changed its lineup and style. Every thing prior to Thorns featured the same lineup for the most part with writer/keyboardist/guitarist/lead vox and all around genius Jon Oliva, Criss baby brother. Pre -Thorns Sav is real headbanging stuff with some progressive things thrown in. The best Pre -Zak Sav stuff are Gutter Ballet, Streets and Hall of the Mountain King. Each of these has a bit of progressive sandwhiched by some real head through cinder block music. Many don't like Jon's vocals which I adore. A hybrid of Alice Cooper/Geddy Lee and Lemmy. Finally I think the title track Handful of Rain is one of the greates rock songs of all time. I felt this way the first time I heard it. L8er Ghost in the Ruins The Savage Savatage fan For chicks and grins there are a few BOC lovers who hang out at the bands message board connected to the official website. WWW.SAVATAGE.COM From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Apr 22 08:50:30 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:50:30 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus Message-ID: Nick, The only track I find myself skipping over is Power Underneath Despair. chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 22 08:45:38 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:45:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: Big Flats Message-ID: Torgo>I'm hoping for a solo gig, The Wheezer gig at Fireworks last year was NOT enough BOC for me!! No new tunes were played!!! I wanna hear HARVEST!!!!!!!! :^D Knowing what a huge Vigil fan you are pray they don't take it out of the setlist before this gig. Version at Jaxx still stains my brain. >I received a tape from Steve Swann. It had some Monster Magnet, Manowar, Metal Church, Tad, Prism, April Wine, etc. and of course, Masters of Reality. Heheheh time to be bad (if only Dr. Bob were still here). I bow to whatever direction Steve Swann can be found. Sheer brilliance to put some April Wine on a wierd April Fools tape. Double your pleasure and double your fun eh? L8er Ghost in the Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 08:56:44 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:56:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Oh, I think I might be up for that... Is anyone going to organise > this? Yours, > Jon Well, it looks like it's going to be a popular idea, so someone's going to have to - meaning Muggins probably! How about it works something like this: If you want to participate, first make your tape! Let's say C60 or C90 depending how you feel, content pretty much open to your judgement (or lack thereof); it'd defeat the object to fill it with very well-known stuff, or indeed anything by BOC or HW!, but as long as it's stuff you genuinely like and are happy to defend publicly, sky's the limit! Then if you e-mail me your name and postal address, I'll put them all in a (virtual) hat and then e-mail everyone telling them where to send their tape to. You'll just have to trust me on the fairness of this! :) What about timing? I know I said midsummer but that's a full 2 months away... we could go very BOC and say Last Days of May? In which case get your tape done by around the middle of May (gives you 3 weeks which should be plenty) and the posting done around May 20???? Of course, there's no reason why the tapes can't then be circulated around and around.... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 22 10:06:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:06:21 +0000 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: On ons 22 apr 1998 05.40 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > Live 76 is a gem. Even Eric's "Get out a paper, and a pen, and you > write Dear Mr. Carter, me an' my friends wanna get high and we don't > wanna go to jail for it" and "What's the point of having a hog in the > garage if you can't go over 55 miles per hour on it, I mean, I wanna get > my motor runnin'!" make sense. True 70's brilliance. Abd with the > video you get to see Eric's spilt-to-the-navel leather jumpsuit and the > legendary "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, > gonna get DOWN to a little Buck's Boogie!". This is the stuff that makes the video for me. Total, over-the-top, hyper-indulgent *cheeeeese-fest* :) And that's why I love the vid, but don't bother with the CD. The visuals are everything. Pure entertainment. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Wed Apr 22 09:14:06 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:14:06 -0700 Subject: BOC HF and exotic dancers In-Reply-To: <199804211443.KAA01890@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >how 'bout getting Victoria's Secret or some other lingerie company to do an ad campaign using BOC's See You in Black?< That's a great idea John! I wonder if Men Without Keys does commercials? Jack From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Apr 22 09:21:00 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: >From: Carl Edlund Anderson > This is the stuff that makes the video for me. Total, over-the-top, >hyper-indulgent *cheeeeese-fest* :) And that's why I love the vid, but >don't bother with the CD. The visuals are everything. Pure >entertainment. Besides, is there any other video documentation of the full scale laser show? OK, so the cramped confines of the video screen don't do it justice, but it does serve as a memory jog. Of course, for me the primary motivation for getting the video was that I was at that show. (-8 The opening act was Uriah Heep on their _Firefly_ tour; quite a show. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 09:21:15 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:21:15 PDT Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: Mr Gilham said- >Then if you e-mail me your name and postal address Personally or on BOC-L? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Apr 22 10:30:07 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:30:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Howdy Folks, Just been an bought the new Kula Skaker CD single: Sound of Drums (Sony KULA21CD) The title track is OK (better by far than most commercial crap in the charts) but track 2 is good ol' "Hurry on Sundown". It's actually a rather good version, a lot better than the rather boppy version that the Magic Mushroom Band did a few years back. This new version has got lots of harmonica, accoustic guitar and hammond organ! (I LOVE hammond organ - should have payed more attention to ELP and Deep Purple all those years ago!) In traditional music business rip-off fashion, there are (of course) two versions of the release, tracks 3 and 4 being different on each. As a HW collector, only buy one, but if you're into Kula Shaker too, well you'll just have to part with more hard earned spondoolies and get both! We only thought that it was labels of the likes of Cherry Red / Flicknife / Illuminated / Samurai / Thunderbolt / Iron Strike / even the mighty Castle who made an active point of milking fans. Having talked to Steve Freight (he bought the other version) he assures me that his version of tracks 3 and 4 are as wishy/washy as mine. Maybe Mr. Brock and could have used these on DH! (Only Joking!) gt From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 22 10:09:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:09:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: JESUS! I'm gonna have to *seriously* break down for this. Mindblowing. I hate Kula Shaker. Wow, cool. My mind is in chaos. Chr. From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Wed Apr 22 10:33:50 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) Message-ID: Hi all, >Just been an bought the new Kula Skaker CD single: > Sound of Drums (Sony KULA21CD) >The title track is OK (better by far than most commercial crap in the charts) >but track 2 is good ol' "Hurry on Sundown". It's actually a rather good >version, a lot better than the rather boppy version that the Magic Mushroom >Band did a few years back. This new version has got lots of harmonica, >accoustic guitar and hammond organ! (I LOVE hammond organ - should have payed >more attention to ELP and Deep Purple all those years ago!) I?ll add it to the list of songs to be added to the BOC-l HW Covers Project, for eventual inclusion in Tape 5. It sounds like we're approaching critical mass, and probably have enough material for another full 90 minute tape.... The current listing of such a tape would be, per my Tape 5 Covers To Be Archives: Architectural Metaphor- The Golden Void Amorphis- Brain Surgeons- Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha Born to Go- ? Pseudo Sun- Assault and Battery/Golden Void the original Monster Magnet *demo* of Brainstorm 'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff Covered by Born to Go (Marc Power): Lord of the Hornets Hassan I Sabbah Steppenwolf The Right Stuff Orgone Accumulator Uncle Sam's on Mars Master of the Universe Silver Machine Brainstorm Aerospaceage Inferno 101 Theremins (featuring Paul Love) performing "Psonik Attahk", which, according to the credits, is "based on 'Sonic Attack' (Hawkwind)" 'SpaceAge', the new ST37 CD/LP+7" on Black Widow includes (as mentioned on the list a week or two ago) a cover of "Orgone Accumulator" Kula Shaker, Hurry On Sundown (on Sound of Drums singles) Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk/ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Apr 20 10:41:39 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:41:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 >Well, it looks like it's going to be a popular idea, so someone's going to >have to - meaning Muggins probably! > >How about it works something like this: > >If you want to participate, first make your tape! Let's say C60 or C90 >depending how you feel, content pretty much open to your judgement (or lack >thereof); it'd defeat the object to fill it with very well-known stuff, or >indeed anything by BOC or HW!, but as long as it's stuff you genuinely like >and are happy to defend publicly, sky's the limit! Just a suggestion, but howabout sending the tapes with just a track listing and not the artists name? A lot of people see the band name and make up their minds about the merits of a song before actually hearing it. Then sender keeps a list of artists and sends it at a later date. Just an idea. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 22 09:50:04 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:50:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) Message-ID: What's this? Tupac Shakur covered a Hawkwind tune? Anyways, when tape 5 is ready, how will this be handled, will it be a new distribution list, or will it go from the old one, was this a send blanks in (can't recall from last one) or was it a fee..... anywas, looking forward to it... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 22 10:50:01 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:50:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: > Just a suggestion, but howabout sending the tapes with just a track listing > and not the artists name? A lot of people see the band name and make up > their minds about the merits of a song before actually hearing it. Then > sender keeps a list of artists and sends it at a later date. > Just an idea. > > Si Great idea! (Then they can all be passed around to all bands containing 1 ex-HW member (probably a few), who only get to hear the songs once as they manically scribble the chords and lyrics down to and then cover the songs immediately and...no wait.. that's been done before... :) Chr. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 22 10:56:31 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:56:31 +0200 Subject: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) Message-ID: Walrus has a tape of an Austrialian band doing Master Of The Universe I think. I also "forced" my kid brother's band to cover a few HW tunes though the recording quality isn't great. The Amorphis track is Levitation. BTW, Allan, I'm not gonna ask about that Calvert/Moorcock tape again ;) Chr. ------------ I?ll add it to the list of songs to be added to the BOC-l HW Covers Project, for eventual inclusion in Tape 5. It sounds like we're approaching critical mass, and probably have enough material for another full 90 minute tape.... The current listing of such a tape would be, per my Tape 5 Covers To Be Archives: Architectural Metaphor- The Golden Void Amorphis- Brain Surgeons- Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha Born to Go- ? Pseudo Sun- Assault and Battery/Golden Void the original Monster Magnet *demo* of Brainstorm 'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff Covered by Born to Go (Marc Power): Lord of the Hornets Hassan I Sabbah Steppenwolf The Right Stuff Orgone Accumulator Uncle Sam's on Mars Master of the Universe Silver Machine Brainstorm Aerospaceage Inferno 101 Theremins (featuring Paul Love) performing "Psonik Attahk", which, according to the credits, is "based on 'Sonic Attack' (Hawkwind)" 'SpaceAge', the new ST37 CD/LP+7" on Black Widow includes (as mentioned on the list a week or two ago) a cover of "Orgone Accumulator" Kula Shaker, Hurry On Sundown (on Sound of Drums singles) Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk/ ---------- From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Apr 22 12:00:25 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:00:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Allan What's on tapes 1-4? I may know of some other versions that you haven't heard. Guy Thomas From dahl at AROS.NET Wed Apr 22 11:08:40 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:08:40 -0600 Subject: BOC: Live 76 Message-ID: As stated before, the sound is equally lame as the CD, but the video more than makes up for it. What a great period for the band and to have it documented on video. It is a must for the old fans to recall the "good old burn your eyes out with the lasers" days and a must for the new fans to see what will never be again. Joe's bass solo is also something that deserved to be documented. I don't think enough people realize just what a giant he was on bass (past tense because I don't know if he is still playing bass). At that point in time, he was one of the best. I need a tissue, Brad "This basement needs a diving board" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 11:18:18 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:18:18 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: <19980422132115.4072.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Mr Gilham said- > >Then if you e-mail me your name and postal address > > Personally or on BOC-L? > > Chris. Directly was what I had in mind - I just act as an "address book" and let all the participants know where to send their tape to, rather than one poor sod having to take 50 tapes down the post office! I promise not to flog it to a shady mailing list broker or anything! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 11:18:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:18:15 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW:_B=D6C_at_the_Astoria?= Message-ID: Rich asked me to froward this as he's having problems posting to boc-l. Looks like the Angel then (although I think they've finished whatever they're doing to the Blue Posts). I'll recce and confirm nearer the date. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:Richard.Lockwood at yuma.tpd.co.uk] > Sent: 22 April 1998 14:26 > To: Andy Gilham > Subject: B?C at the Astoria > > > Andy, > > I'm having real problems posting to BOC-L, so if you could > forward this for me it'd be much appreciated... > > You mentioned the Blue Posts to meet in, but last time I was > there (couple of months ago, I must admit) it was closed for some > serious refurbishment - I peered through the window and they'd > ripped the guts out of it. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 11:18:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:18:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff That's Dark Carnival - we already got the DAM one! (Picky) And Primal Scream's "Motorhead" may count, even though they're really covering the MH version... Fancy doing a "BOC covers all" too? :))) The Mutton Birds' "Reaper" is essential! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 11:18:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:18:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: <01bd6c6a$6dcfa5a0$LocalHost@pc> Message-ID: > Just a suggestion, but howabout sending the tapes with just a > track listing > and not the artists name? A lot of people see the band name and make up > their minds about the merits of a song before actually hearing it. Then > sender keeps a list of artists and sends it at a later date. > Just an idea. Good idea - listen "blind", as it were. OK, that's how it'll work! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 22 11:05:36 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:05:36 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: Doh! Forgot about ETI. As for live performance theatrics, I love watching E and B cross their guitars. > ---------- > From: Horse Whisperer[SMTP:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 8:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO > > Russell J Hall said > >I have both the video and the CD. From what I saw, I do not believe > >that there > >is any difference between them (nothing cut). Alas, the sound > quality > >is the same. > > Nope - ETI is on the video but not on the CD. I reckon this could be > because the backing vocals on this song are utterly atrocious and the > people who released it reckoned the CD would get more spins than the > video, so cut it. Either that or it was just too long for CD > recording > technology a couple of years back, y'know the 74 minute threshold > thing. > > >For me, who only started getting into BOC late in life :(, its great > to > >see the old line up and > >especially see the 5 Guitar Attack. > > > >My advice is . . . Get It! > > > > I totally second this, the sound is dodgy, complete with various band > members kicking mic stands during their performances and the sound > guys > mixing in audience mics during D&S leading to terrible bass boom, but > I > absolutely love this CD, if I had to choose, I'd take Imaginos, Live > 76, > ONYoOYK and a personal compilation to my desert island. > > Live 76 is a gem. Even Eric's "Get out a paper, and a pen, and you > write Dear Mr. Carter, me an' my friends wanna get high and we don't > wanna go to jail for it" and "What's the point of having a hog in the > garage if you can't go over 55 miles per hour on it, I mean, I wanna > get > my motor runnin'!" make sense. True 70's brilliance. Abd with the > video you get to see Eric's spilt-to-the-navel leather jumpsuit and > the > legendary "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, > gonna get DOWN to a little Buck's Boogie!". > > Mad Geniuses all. Arrggghhhh, where's my CD. > > chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 22 10:33:34 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:33:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: >Just a suggestion, but howabout sending the tapes with just a track listing >and not the artists name? A lot of people see the band name and make up >their minds about the merits of a song before actually hearing it. Then >sender keeps a list of artists and sends it at a later date. >Just an idea. Well, we're already doing this without permission from most of the artists, and despite the disclaimers, not giving credit I think would be worse than possibly causing someone to prejudge... You don't have to look at the credits, I guess... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 22 12:03:23 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:03:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown In-Reply-To: <199804221413.QAA23194@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804221413.QAA23194 at online.no>, reset writes >JESUS! I'm gonna have to *seriously* break down for this. Mindblowing. I >hate Kula Shaker. Wow, cool. > >My mind is in chaos. > >Chr. Ginger Baker Bagel tattva a lesson in detachment for us all. let us meditate on this most serious matter -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 22 12:05:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:05:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) In-Reply-To: <000b01bd6e01$e1ffc3e0$693f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000b01bd6e01$e1ffc3e0$693f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >And Primal Scream's "Motorhead" may count, even though they're really >covering the MH version... "Palmer's Green? There's a band called Palmer's Green?" - Lemmy -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 22 12:06:45 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:06:45 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?FW:_B=D6C_at_the_Astoria?= In-Reply-To: <000801bd6e01$df159c40$693f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000801bd6e01$df159c40$693f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >> >> ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** >> Another comic reference! a No-Prize to whoever says where it's from... -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 22 13:12:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:12:17 PDT Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade Artist Shocker Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka Roger Shrubstaff, who claims to have been corrput before he had power (a likely story), ventured the opinion..... >Well, we're already doing this without permission from most of >the artists, and despite the disclaimers, not giving credit I think >would be worse than possibly causing someone to prejudge... > >You don't have to look at the credits, I guess... > Here's a plan.... Don't write the artist's names on the inlays. Everyone who sends a tape should send a full tracklist with credits and all the other blag like LP, year, crap like that to Andy. Everyone who receives a cassette should listem to it a few times, and then send an email to Mr .Gilham (our wonderful co-ordinator) and when he's satisfied that everyone has got and heard the tapes, he will release all the information for perusal upon the Mighty List. Whaddabout that then. Chris HW. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Apr 22 21:30:47 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeit) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:30:47 -0700 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) Message-ID: It's just round the corner from Oxford Street, on the corner of Charing Cross Road. Nearest tube is Tottenham Court Road (1 minute away). There's a few decent pubs in Charing Cross Road but avoid the obviously touristy ones. The Three Greyhounds in Greek Street does a good pint and excellent food. If you like Firkin pubs, there's one in Shaftesbury Avenue. But do not, I repeat do not go into The Tottenham which is probably the 1st pub you'll see. It was voted one of the five worst pubs in London and fully merits it. Zeit Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > For Chris W and anyone else who's interested: I have the following > number for the Astoria. > Box Office: 0171 434 0403 > Credit card hotline: 0171 420 100 > > Now, does anyone know where it actually is, and where the nearest > tube and decent pint can be found? Because I've never been there... > Jon -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ E-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From OE3 at AOL.COM Wed Apr 22 14:04:24 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:04:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/98 2:20:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << Since I was the one who got the whole fungus thing going, I thought maybe we've all had time to debate the opposite. I hate being negative already, but are there any tunes people are getting more turned OFF to at this point? I haven't yet started to skip tracks on HF, but if/when I do, I think 'Real World' will be the first to go. I work in alternative rock radio, and I hate the shit. This tune is too reminiscent of Dave Matthews and a bunch of other crap for my tastes. The Buck vocals and somewhat BOC-bent are the only thing saving it at this time. Leave the acoustics to the 'Unplugged' set. I like my BOC electric! -- Nick >> next to harvest moon, real world is my favorite song on the album. initially i didn't care for it too much but it grew like a fungus and now it's left an infectious residue on my mind. it definitely doesn't sound like b.o.c.; more like a buck solo tune. i never thought of it in a dave matthews context. dave matthews band's new stuff embodies his heroin-led life, and "real world" is too "straight-sounding". (i love dave matthews, by the way.) "real world" is the surprise cut of the album. now, i'll take out the trash... i find "hammer back" and "still burning" especially repulsive. that's all i have to say. so long! oe3 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 22 14:11:18 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:11:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) In-Reply-To: <9525001622041998/A06265/LNMV02/11C4B4001900*@MHS> Message-ID: Guy wrote: > What's on tapes 1-4? > > I may know of some other versions that you haven't heard. You can view the tape inlays at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html Cheers, Paul. obCD: Masters of Reality, _Masters of Reality_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 22 14:19:52 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:19:52 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: I'm not sure if the video sounds better or not - might just be that watching the band makes you perceive the sound to be better. Despite it's flaws, I think this video is a must-have. It has all the tracks from the CD, plus "ETI", and has some cool shots of BOC's celebrated laser show. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 22 14:24:54 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:24:54 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: >Live 76 is a gem. Even Eric's "Get out a paper, and a pen, and you write Dear Mr. Carter, me an' my friends wanna get high and we don't wanna go to jail for it" and "What's the point of having a hog in the garage if you can't go over 55 miles per hour on it, I mean, I wanna get my motor runnin'!" make sense. True 70's brilliance. Abd with the video you get to see Eric's spilt-to-the-navel leather jumpsuit and the legendary "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, gonna get DOWN to a little Buck's Boogie!". Yeah, not to mention the 5 guitars, Joe's cool bass solo, and Al's infamous tuxedo shirt - "There's only one thing, One Thing, ONE THING (well maybe that's three) - you got to KNOW - you got to let that girl...Let That Girl...LET THAT GIRL...ROCK AND ROLL!!!" John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 22 14:27:54 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:27:54 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: <138f1b3d.353e312a@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: OE3 > > I haven't yet started to skip tracks on HF, but if/when I do, I think > 'Real World' will be the first to go. I work in alternative rock > radio, and I hate the shit. This tune is too reminiscent of Dave > Matthews and a bunch of other crap for my tastes. The Buck vocals and > somewhat BOC-bent are the only thing saving it at this time. Leave > the acoustics to the 'Unplugged' set. I like my BOC electric! > > -- Nick >> > > next to harvest moon, real world is my favorite song on the album. initially > i didn't care for it too much but it grew like a fungus and now it's left an > infectious residue on my mind. it definitely doesn't sound like b.o.c.; more > like a buck solo tune. i never thought of it in a dave matthews context. I like RW a lot as well. Sounds like a bit of a send up to the whole new-age acoustic stuff to me. But I'm not much of an unplugged kinda guy either. Only song I really don't care for, I'm afraid, is In Thee, even though I like the original version jjust fine. I don't think the version on HF adds anything to the record, and it doesn't stand up too well to the original. But hey, one song out of the album ain't too bad. Really, front to back, HF stands pretty tall in the BOC oeuvre, and surprised the hell out of me. I wasn't expecting anything this good, frankly... now, i'll take out the trash... > i find "hammer back" and "still burning" especially repulsive. that's all i > have to say. > so long! > oe3 If Hammer Back wasn't a put-down, I'd like it a lot less. And, it features some really great gtr plying to bail it out a bit as well. I agree that HB and SB are weak cuts, but compared to some of the other weak tracks from past BOC albums, they ain't bad at all... theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 22 14:28:05 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:28:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: > Ginger Baker Bagel tattva > > a lesson in detachment for us all. > > let us meditate on this most serious matter > -- > Jon Thankyou. As I quietly view this from all angles after calming down I see that one particular path, and indeed the center where there is perfect nothing. And it is good, and I devour the circular prison which I once perceived as the (w)hole with glee. And I love cream cheese. My belly is full of joy and I shall cheerfully seek out my new Kula Shaker record with perfect vision and renewed spirits on the 'morrow. Chr. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 22 14:32:24 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:32:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Live 76 Message-ID: >Joe's bass solo is also something that deserved to be documented. I don't think enough people realize just what a giant he was on bass (past tense because I don't know if he is still playing bass). At that point in time, he was one of the best. Joe was and still is one of my bass-playing inspirations. I don't think he plays too much bass anymore (not that he can't) - more guitar and keyboards. I think Joe was always a guitar player first, but got a chance back in college to play in a band (Que Pasa) when the bass player quit - then, obviously got another break when Andy Winters left the Stalk- Forrest Group. One of the reasons I think his style is distictive is because he often approached the bass as if it were a guitar - his solo on the Live '76 video/CD is a perfect example - there's a lot of places where his left hand isn't really doing to much - that is, he's soloing on one note - but his right hand (using a pick) is flying across the string back and forth - great stuff. John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 22 14:59:36 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:59:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Font Message-ID: Any one know what Fonts the Heaven Forbid CD uses (Front/Back) ? From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 22 15:18:40 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:18:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: Pardon, But what is usually included on the tapes in the trade? Just songs/stuff we like? are there limits? Years, song types, etc? From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Apr 22 16:02:49 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:02:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: Russell J. Hall said: >But what is usually included on the tapes in the trade? Just >songs/stuff we like? are there limits? Years, song types, etc? I don't think we should place any limits on what goes on the tapes. I think the idea is for the person who receives the tape to find some new music they can get into. It doesn't matter if it's DarXtar, Parliament, The Grambling University Marching Band, or Dave Brubeck. I'm willing to take the chance that I won't like anything on the tape I'm sent for the opportunity to discover something really cool I wasn't aware of before. Brian obSONG> "Crazy Train" Pat Boone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2411 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 22 16:09:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:09:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD197227@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: > Pardon, > > But what is usually included on the tapes in the trade? Just > songs/stuff we like? are there limits? Years, song types, etc? > Well, there's no "usually" to it since the only precedent is in 1993! What it is, is kind of a virtual "having your mates round and playing them some records". So, no limits other than (a) it's not something everyone's heard already and (b) you've got to like it yourself! Use your own judgement as to whether you think anyone *else* will ike it! A great chance to discover new bands that you'll never hear on MTV... and also to form opinions on some of these weird bands people bang on about and you've never heard of! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 22 15:15:19 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:15:19 -0400 Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: >Anyone ever seen the BOC Live 1976 video? I ran across it at a store >recently...it has the same cover as that poor quality CD that's been >popping up at record stores over the past couple years. I bought the >CD recently, but was disappointed with the sound. Is the video any >better? I'm really interested, but wary nonetheless. The audio is exactly the same, but the video is of surprisingly good quality for something that wasn't intended for such use... At times they play around with chroma fx, weird colors, etc. Sometimes it seems to work (blue wash on Eric during Astronomy), most of the time it gets in the way, but they don't do it that much.... The lasers came through great... Given the lack of official BOC video releases readily available, I consider it a 'must have'.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 22 16:01:25 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:01:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: >> Pardon, >> >> But what is usually included on the tapes in the trade? Just >> songs/stuff we like? are there limits? Years, song types, etc? >> > >Well, there's no "usually" to it since the only precedent is in 1993! > >What it is, is kind of a virtual "having your mates round and playing them >some records". So, no limits other than (a) it's not something everyone's >heard already and (b) you've got to like it yourself! Use your own >judgement as to whether you think anyone *else* will ike it! > >A great chance to discover new bands that you'll never hear on MTV... and >also to form opinions on some of these weird bands people bang on about and >you've never heard of! Okay, it sounds like there is interest.... how do we get the ball rollinig... is there one coordinator? Do we cycle individul tapes around in a ring as we are done with them or try to get one of everyone's to everyone? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 22 17:39:14 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:39:14 -0500 Subject: Live 76 Video and Reverse Fungus song Message-ID: Get the video for two reasons, its great seeing them on stage at a large venue and the sound quality while not noticeably better is slightly better than the cd. I taped Dominance & Submission back to back from both sources and the video version sounds a bit better. I got the video first and then special ordered the cd hoping the sound would improve. Needless to say I gave the cd away a few years back. Reverse Fungus - Hmmmm I like them all to some degree but must admit the tracks I tend to skip over are PUD and Still Burnin'. Real World is a killer tune. Does sound a bit like Dave Mathews but that good since I like DMB. I'd like to see this in the setlist as a change of pace. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 22 17:54:26 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: >Oh, I wanna join in on this thing too. There are people here with v. stramnge tastes in music (myself shyly included) and what a way to expand your head. And what a pleasure it will be compiling those tapes. >but as long as it's stuff you genuinely like and are happy to defend publicly, sky's the limit! I'm confused I thought the original project was to fill tape with bad music to repulse or embarrass the listener. Why would you defend it? I have a few "why did I buy this" or "Glad it only cost a buck" cd's. Just not sure which way this project is going. Oh well I'll turn full attention to making Ted a Savatage fan..... Ghost in the Ruins From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Apr 22 18:55:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:55:18 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >>but as long as it's stuff you genuinely like >and are happy to defend publicly, sky's the limit! > >I'm confused I thought the original project was to fill tape with bad >music to repulse or embarrass the listener. Why would you defend it? I >have a few "why did I buy this" or "Glad it only cost a buck" cd's. >Just not sure which way this project is going. Oh well I'll turn full >attention to making Ted a Savatage fan..... > well, I must admit, I'm kind of interested in taking part in this...just one drawback....I don't have a tape deck! the only way I could join in the fun would be to burn a CD for someone...... oh, and I'm all ears....if you can convince me, great...I bought "Handful of Rain" because I heard it was one of the better ones and because I like Alex Skolnick.... just really didn't do anything for me though....but you're welcome to try! Ted From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Apr 22 19:11:11 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:11:11 -0700 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) Message-ID: If necessary, I can supply the asteriked (*) tracks: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:33:50 -0500, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: >The current listing of such a tape would be, per my Tape 5 Covers To Be >Archives: > >Architectural Metaphor- The Golden Void (*) > >Amorphis- > >Brain Surgeons- Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha > >Pseudo Sun- Assault and Battery/Golden Void > >the original Monster Magnet *demo* of Brainstorm (*) Actually, I think this one's already on one of the first few volumes, under the moniker "Airport 75" (one of the many names they used pre-MM). One of these days, I'll have to recount the story of trying to get permission to use that one for 'Assassins of Silence' ... >'Destroy All Monsters' version of the Right Stuff ... right, Dark Carnival's ... >Covered by Born to Go (Marc Power): >Lord of the Hornets >Hassan I Sabbah >Steppenwolf >The Right Stuff >Orgone Accumulator >Uncle Sam's on Mars >Master of the Universe >Silver Machine >Brainstorm >Aerospaceage Inferno > >101 Theremins (featuring Paul Love) performing "Psonik Attahk" (*) > >'SpaceAge', the new ST37 CD/LP+7" on Black Widow includes (as >mentioned on the list a week or two ago) a cover of >"Orgone Accumulator" (*) > >Kula Shaker, Hurry On Sundown (on Sound of Drums singles) ... and, coming from a purely nepotistic perspective (that is, I play bass & electronics on both of these), I could add: Terminal Lids Waste Band - "Ejection" (starts as pure heavy rock, ends as pure noise) Dogbreath - "Back on the Streets" (1-1/2 minutes of loud fast punk rock) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Thu Apr 23 01:33:27 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:33:27 -0700 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 Message-ID: I am willing to make the tape labels again for tape 5. I still have the original Quark files, graphics, fonts, etc. I even still have the alternate titles that we had discussed at the time. Probably even have a new color of paper that wasn't used on the first four tapes (the USA tape labels were all sorted by color, with tape I being pink, tape II being blue, III white, IV orange). Count me in again. -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com (old address) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 23 04:20:18 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:20:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown In-Reply-To: <199804221832.UAA25411@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804221832.UAA25411 at online.no>, reset writes >Thankyou. As I quietly view this from all angles after calming down I see >that one particular path, and indeed the center where there is perfect >nothing. And it is good, and I devour the circular prison which I once >perceived as the (w)hole with glee. And I love cream cheese. My belly is >full of joy and I shall cheerfully seek out my new Kula Shaker record with >perfect vision and renewed spirits on the 'morrow. > >Chr. May the light shine upon us all -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 23 04:18:50 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:18:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown In-Reply-To: <199804221413.QAA23194@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804221413.QAA23194 at online.no>, reset writes >JESUS! I'm gonna have to *seriously* break down for this. Mindblowing. I >hate Kula Shaker. Wow, cool. > >My mind is in chaos. > >Chr. I might add they have re-titled the tune "Hari Om Sundown" Cringeworthy or inspired? - YOU be the judge. -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Apr 23 05:18:20 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:18:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In article <199804221413.QAA23194 at online.no>, reset > writes > >JESUS! I'm gonna have to *seriously* break down for this. Mindblowing. I > >hate Kula Shaker. Wow, cool. > > > >My mind is in chaos. > > > >Chr. Why hate? I saw them live recently and thought they were really rather good. I saw them on Good Friday, which gave an amusing resonance to the lines "It's a feeling like no other Spending Easter with your mother, baby It's a freaky roller coaster ride!" :) Crispian Mills I thought was pretty good on guitar, did some interesting but not indulgent solos. D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 23 05:32:58 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:32:58 PDT Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO Message-ID: >And with the >video you get to see Eric's spilt-to-the-navel leather jumpsuit and the >legendary "Here comes a man in a white suit with a Les Paul guitar, >gonna get DOWN to a little Buck's Boogie!". > >Yeah, not to mention the 5 guitars, Joe's cool bass solo, and Al's >infamous tuxedo shirt - "There's only one thing, One Thing, ONE >THING (well maybe that's three) - you got to KNOW - you got to >let that girl...Let That Girl...LET THAT GIRL...ROCK AND ROLL!!!" > >John > But hey, you gotta remember Little Richard told him that...... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 23 05:36:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:36:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Shake Like The Wind/Pink Dots/Purple Flashes Message-ID: Hey, I don't hate 'em in the true sense of the word - I *can't* hate even if I try... for newsgroup postings and email lists strictly I can though virtually hate tho! You know what, I LOVE KULA SHAKER! It felt soooooooooooo GOOOOOOOOOOD tooo say that! (I'm a habitual liar y'see) Chr. ObFuckingAmazing: Legendary Pink Dots last night - the best gig I **ever** attended!! Incredible, cosmic, amazing etc. I'd never heard them before, but this is where Gong and Hawkwind left off and these guys took off.... mindblowing to say the least!!!!!!!!!!! JOY!! Now, that Visa account needs to lose some... er.. pounds. Hallelujah. > Why hate? I saw them live recently and thought they were really rather > good. I saw them on Good Friday, which gave an amusing resonance to the > lines > "It's a feeling like no other > Spending Easter with your mother, baby > It's a freaky roller coaster ride!" :) > > Crispian Mills I thought was pretty good on guitar, did some interesting > but not indulgent solos. > > D > > **************************************************************************** ** > > David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner > HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" > School of Informatics (John Hegley) > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > **************************************************************************** * From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Apr 23 07:04:52 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:04:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) and KREL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul wrote: >> What's on tapes 1-4? >> >> I may know of some other versions that you haven't heard. > >You can view the tape inlays at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html > >Cheers, > >Paul. How can I buy some copies of these tapes please Paul? Here are some other versions that you may not have come across, from a list that Brian Tawn supplied to me a few years back: On Record or CD (None of which I have unfortunately): Alien Sex Fiend - Silver Machine Doctor and the Medics -Silver Machine Kollaa Kestea - Urban Guerilla Pop Will Eat Itself - Orgone Accumulator (superb on my tape copy) Hijohkaiden - Silver Machine Friends and Relations - Out of the Shadows (Brian says its excellent!) On Tape: (Again none of which I have!): Ariel - Do That Cellular Structure - Satellite, Voids End, Heads (They call it Wired), Angels of Death, Lost Chronicles The Nowhere Band - Brainstorm (Nice cut with Female vox) Underground Zero - Silver Machine, Master of Universe (Live with Nik guesting) On Tape: (This time I do have copies!): Led Condom - Silver Machine/Spirit of the Age - me and some mates, live Oct 1992 (video soundtrack from a private gig - bit of a laugh really!) Krel - Where are they Now (pre-Spacehead)Live'92, Supporting HW (mix desk) Krel - Infinity (studio - Absolutely SUPERB - better than HW) Krel - Opa Loka (studio - Again, 'kin marvellous version) Krel - rough demos of about 45/50 mins of other HW trax Krel - new DAT of HW covers iminent. If you hadn't already guessed, I rather like KREL. They have just released a new CD called "Ad Astra", which in my opinion, is the best Space rock Album of the 1990s so far. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 23 07:33:31 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:33:31 EDT Subject: LIVE 1976 VIDEO In-Reply-To: <19980423093258.27564.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > > >Yeah, not to mention the 5 guitars, Joe's cool bass solo, and Al's > >infamous tuxedo shirt - "There's only one thing, One Thing, ONE > >THING (well maybe that's three) - you got to KNOW - you got to > >let that girl...Let That Girl...LET THAT GIRL...ROCK AND ROLL!!!" > > > >John > > > > But hey, you gotta remember Little Richard told him that...... > > Chris. > Yeah, and the way Albert chokes on it a little bit! And, sure the laser effects. I saw them outside a couple times during the laser years, and the beams were so powerful, they'd reach out to the horizon... theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 23 09:27:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:27:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown Message-ID: > May the light shine upon us all > -- > Jon Aaaiee! The void is quite shiny today thankyou, break out the sitars kids! praise- Chrispian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 23 09:35:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:35:15 +0100 Subject: 25 Years On split set spotted Message-ID: I've been out hunting for Hawkwind CDs for a couple of folks on the list. I spotted a split set of the "25 Years On" 4-CD compilation box going at 6.50 Pounds (~11 Dollars). If someone wants the last CD, which has the "I Am The Eye That Looks Within" extra track, then please let me know. Otherwise there are quite a few Hawkwind CDs available around that price here. The ones that I can remember: 25 Years on 4-CD set (split) Stasis Levitation Friends & Relations : The Rarities Independent Days Vol.2(?) Live '79 Hawklords Live Silver Machine (Hallmark comp) Space Is Deep If anyone wants something then let me know. FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Thu Apr 23 10:02:54 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:02:54 +0300 Subject: HW:bootleg Message-ID: Greetings from Finland! My hawkfrend told me, that he saw long time ago notice in some magazine where somebody sell HW bootleg call Starfarers Dispatch! Has anyone ever hear about this? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Thu Apr 23 10:15:24 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:15:24 -0500 Subject: HW covers all Message-ID: >I am willing to make the tape labels again for tape 5. >I still have the original Quark files, graphics, fonts, etc. >I even still have the alternate titles that we had discussed >at the time. Probably even have a new color of paper that >wasn't used on the first four tapes (the USA tape labels were >all sorted by color, with tape I being pink, tape II being >blue, III white, IV orange). Except of course for the rare variant pressings that had different colored labels. I kid you not.... Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 23 11:04:36 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:04:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) and KREL In-Reply-To: <7352041123041998/A02257/LNMV02/11C4BAC43400*@MHS> Message-ID: Guy wrote: > How can I buy some copies of these tapes please Paul? I don't know. I don't have a tape recorder, alas, so I can't run you off a copy myself. The project was, as I remember, run on a cost-recovery basis. There was a person acting as a distributor in the USA and one in the UK who bought a bulk batch of tapes and did the duplicating. (I think Allan Grohe was the USA contact.) I don't remember how much a set cost, but it was cheap. I'm sure if you sent some blanks to the UK distributor (Dave Hardman??), he'd run you off a copy. (And, if you have access to a PostScript printer, you could download the tape inserts yourself and print them out. I could even convert them to PDF if that helped.) > Here are some other versions that you may not have come across, from a list > that Brian Tawn supplied to me a few years back: [...] > On Tape: (This time I do have copies!): > > Led Condom - Silver Machine/Spirit of the Age - me and some mates, live Oct > 1992 (video soundtrack from a private gig - bit of a laugh really!) > Krel - Where are they Now (pre-Spacehead)Live'92, Supporting HW (mix desk) > Krel - Infinity (studio - Absolutely SUPERB - better than HW) > Krel - Opa Loka (studio - Again, 'kin marvellous version) > Krel - rough demos of about 45/50 mins of other HW trax > Krel - new DAT of HW covers iminent. Well, I hear they're soliciting material for Tape 5... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Deep Purple, _Made in Japan_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 23 11:08:05 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:08:05 -0400 Subject: HW covers all In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > >I am willing to make the tape labels again for tape 5. > >I still have the original Quark files, graphics, fonts, etc. > >I even still have the alternate titles that we had discussed > >at the time. Probably even have a new color of paper that > >wasn't used on the first four tapes (the USA tape labels were > >all sorted by color, with tape I being pink, tape II being > >blue, III white, IV orange). > > Except of course for the rare variant pressings that had different > colored labels. I kid you not.... Well, it wouldn't be Hawkwind(-related) if it didn't have obscure Kollector variants, now would it? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Govt. Mule_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Apr 23 10:54:12 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:54:12 +0200 Subject: HW:bootleg In-Reply-To: <199804231402.RAA14946@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: Hi Miikaa At 17:02 1998-04-23 +0300, you wrote: >My hawkfrend told me, that he saw long time ago notice in some >magazine where somebody sell HW bootleg call Starfarers Dispatch! >Has anyone ever hear about this? Yes! But the bootleg CD (Birmingham, Kinetic Playground 1971) was never released as far as I know. Or am I wrong ? Bernhard From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 23 12:26:10 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:26:10 +0200 Subject: HW:bootleg Message-ID: Well part of its on Orgasmatron, no? Chr. > > Yes! But the bootleg CD (Birmingham, Kinetic Playground 1971) was never > released as far as I know. > > Or am I wrong ? > > Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Apr 23 12:51:08 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:51:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: > Hi all!You have my curiosity up-what is this, and how does it work? Thanx! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Apr 23 13:31:42 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:31:42 +0200 Subject: HW:bootleg In-Reply-To: <199804231630.SAA02250@online.no> Message-ID: At 18:26 1998-04-23 +0200, you wrote: >Well part of its on Orgasmatron, no? Yes! Bernhard From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Apr 23 13:54:36 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:54:36 +0100 Subject: tarot cards on AoF In-Reply-To: <353F717C.C2BBE41F@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know if there's any particular significance to the tarot cards being displayed on the cover of AoF? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Apr 23 14:16:06 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:16:06 -0400 Subject: tarot cards on AoF Message-ID: Check the FAQ for Blue Oyster Cult. > ---------- > From: Hardman DK[SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 1:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: tarot cards on AoF > > Does anyone know if there's any particular significance to the tarot > cards > being displayed on the cover of AoF? > > Dave > > ********************************************************************** > ******** > > David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a > Londoner > HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" > School of Informatics (John Hegley) > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > ********************************************************************** > ******* > From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Apr 23 14:31:55 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:31:55 -0400 Subject: tarot cards on AoF Message-ID: Here is the quote from the FAQ " . . . Death, The Queen, The King, The Sun. Stories say that these cards were part of an actual Tarot card reading done for the band." > ---------- > From: Hall, Russell J[SMTP:russell.j.hall at lmco.com] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 2:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: tarot cards on AoF > > Check the FAQ for Blue Oyster Cult. > > > ---------- > > From: Hardman DK[SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] > > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 1:54 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: tarot cards on AoF > > > > Does anyone know if there's any particular significance to the tarot > > cards > > being displayed on the cover of AoF? > > > > Dave > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > ******** > > > > David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a > > Londoner > > HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" > > School of Informatics (John Hegley) > > City University > > Northampton Square > > London EC1V 0HB > > > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > > > ********************************************************************** > > ******* > > > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 23 15:09:25 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:09:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <353F717C.C2BBE41F@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Hi all!You have my curiosity up-what is this, and how does it work? Thanx! Pam OK, what it is is this: Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or 3 weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's "in" writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. I then put all the names in a big black top hat and in an entirely fair and random manner decide who should get which tape, and I write back to each of you telling you where to mail your tape. You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which someone else on the list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but equally you might discover your new favourite band! I mean, we all tend to bang on about our own obscure favourites (I know I do :) and it's a great opportunity to share them, offer them up for ridicule, whatever. 'Course, if you do like what you hear, you really ought to go out and buy the album it's from, and pass the tape along to the next guy! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 23 15:41:23 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:41:23 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Ted wrote: > well, I must admit, I'm kind of interested in taking part in this...just > one drawback....I don't have a tape deck! the only way I could join in > the fun would be to burn a CD for someone...... I'm in the same boat. I have a tape player, but not a tape recorder, though do have easy access to a CD writer. Hasn't technology become lopsided. :-\ Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Govt. Mule_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 23 14:46:45 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:46:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: > > Hi all!You have my curiosity up-what is this, and how does it work? > Thanx! > Pam > >OK, what it is is this: Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, >C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or 3 >weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's "in" >writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. I then put all the names >in a big black top hat and in an entirely fair and random manner decide who >should get which tape, and I write back to each of you telling you where to >mail your tape. > >You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which someone else on the >list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but >equally you might discover your new favourite band! I mean, we all tend to >bang on about our own obscure favourites (I know I do :) and it's a great >opportunity to share them, offer them up for ridicule, whatever. It is a "ring" of sorts, right? Every tape will eventually make the rounds? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 23 16:36:35 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:36:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: Andy, this is sort of important if it should be truly leak proof... The track listing should be in with you *before* the recipients are drawn, right? Otherwise someone could likely "cheat".... of course the trax will be "confidential" until the poor bastard receives a tape :) Chr. > >OK, what it is is this: Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, > >C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or 3 > >weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's "in" > >writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. I then put all the names > >in a big black top hat and in an entirely fair and random manner decide who > >should get which tape, and I write back to each of you telling you where to > >mail your tape. > > > >You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which someone else on the > >list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but > >equally you might discover your new favourite band! I mean, we all tend to > >bang on about our own obscure favourites (I know I do :) and it's a great > >opportunity to share them, offer them up for ridicule, whatever. > > It is a "ring" of sorts, right? Every tape will eventually make the rounds? > > > +---------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension > Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension > Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention > aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. > +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Apr 23 17:02:51 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:02:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 Message-ID: At 22:33 1998-04-22 -0700, you wrote: >I am willing to make the tape labels again for tape 5. >I still have the original Quark files, graphics, fonts, etc. >I even still have the alternate titles that we had discussed >at the time. Probably even have a new color of paper that >wasn't used on the first four tapes (the USA tape labels were >all sorted by color, with tape I being pink, tape II being >blue, III white, IV orange). d-oh, wake up, all kompletists: the european version is all white... the name? Hawkwind Covers All, the Addendum of course what about the new (er...) finnish killer version of Levitation (made by a band which names escapes me right now) -joe >Count me in again. >-- >Captain Cloud >capcloud at palmnet.net >http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ >cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com (old address) > > From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Apr 23 18:31:22 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:31:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams Message-ID: hello i just discoevered that dave brock has a couple of solo cd's out, the latest of which is something about pipe dreams.. anyway, what are they like? worth checking out? hawkwindy? wal ps. also what about anubian nights? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Apr 23 20:05:19 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:05:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: <19980422092022.AAA6891@[208.214.94.83]> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Nick English wrote: > I haven't yet started to skip tracks on HF, but if/when I do, I think > 'Real World' will be the first to go. I work in alternative rock > radio, and I hate the shit. This tune is too reminiscent of Dave > Matthews and a bunch of other crap for my tastes. The Buck vocals and > somewhat BOC-bent are the only thing saving it at this time. Leave > the acoustics to the 'Unplugged' set. I like my BOC electric! To each his own. I like Real World. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 23 20:04:42 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:04:42 +0200 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? Message-ID: 451942 HAWKWIND-SINGLE'S A'S & B'S 1970-1980 $19.95 1998 compilation on Repertoire featuring 20 of the space rock act's best from this period. Found the above posted in alt.music.spacerock availible from THe Artist's Shop... curious if there are any odd mixes etc. that are still vinyl only that may be on here? Anyone? Either way it will be a nice package knowing Reportoire. Chr. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Apr 23 23:51:50 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:51:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-22 05:20:48 EDT, you write: << haven't yet started to skip tracks on HF, but if/when I do, I think 'Real World' will be the first to go. I work in alternative rock radio, and I hate the shit. This tune is too reminiscent of Dave Matthews and a bunch of other crap for my tastes. The Buck vocals and somewhat BOC-bent are the only thing saving it at this time. Leave the acoustics to the 'Unplugged' set. I like my BOC electric! >> Well, since Real World is my favorite track from Heaven Forbid, I feel called upon here to defend it. :-) Actually, the only complaint this listener seems to have regarding Real World is that it's acoustic and he finds it similar to something else he dislikes, so there's really nothing tangible to respond to. He simply dislikes it. And, while there's certainly nothing wrong with that, I do object to his usage of terms. Just because one personally dislikes something does not necessarily make it "shit" or "crap"... To arbitrarily dismiss something simply on the basis that it is acoustic and one dislikes acoustic material is rather absurd, and akin to dismissing, say, the Symphony Fantastique because it has violins and one dislikes violins. In neither case is the music "shit" or "crap" automatically for that reason. Real World is a fine piece of music...and one should be capable of recognizing that even if one does not happen to enjoy that kind of music. SET P.S. By the way, I agree with those who have pointed out that there are no real dogs on this album, no songs where one groans and winces and says "What were they THINKING?" because the song is so utterly substandard. And, y'know, with the exception of Imaginos, this might be the first BOC album since Secret Treaties that achieves that... From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Fri Apr 24 04:09:29 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:09:29 -0800 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: <8f68c663.35400c58@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, StevenTice wrote: > P.S. By the way, I agree with those who have pointed out that there are no > real dogs on this album, no songs where one groans and winces and says "What > were they THINKING?" because the song is so utterly substandard. When I hear I'd like to see you in black I'd like to see you in black I'd like to see you in black I'd like to see you in black I'd like to see you in black I'd like to see you in black over and over, I say "what were they thinking?" The music is disappointingly simple (except for the soloing). It does have a forceful and clear theme, and therefore is an appropriate choice for first song on the album. But nevertheless I almost always skip it. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 04:09:57 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:09:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <199804232040.WAA05858@online.no> Message-ID: > Andy, this is sort of important if it should be truly leak proof... The > track listing should be in with you *before* the recipients are drawn, > right? Otherwise someone could likely "cheat".... of course the trax will > be "confidential" until the poor bastard receives a tape :) > > Chr. Yep, In about 3 weeks from now I'll post a message saying, OK, who's got their tape ready, and only then will I draw the recipients. I might get AB's tape full of Savatage and King's X... (sorry AB) or I might get the coolest tape imaginable from someone who usually just lurks! > It is a "ring" of sorts, right? Every tape will eventually make the rounds? Yep, I hope so. But that's up to everybody! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 04:10:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:10:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <8f68c663.35400c58@aol.com> Message-ID: > P.S. By the way, I agree with those who have pointed out that > there are no > real dogs on this album, no songs where one groans and winces and > says "What > were they THINKING?" because the song is so utterly substandard. > And, y'know, > with the exception of Imaginos, this might be the first BOC album > since Secret > Treaties that achieves that... > I'm afraid I don't, though - "Still Burnin'" is rather a mess to my ear, and I confess I'm surprised by the apparent popularity of "Damaged" - I always seem to hear an "uh-huh uh-huh" before "I like it", and any song with the lyric "I live for rock and roll" is immediately suspect anyway! Especially when it rhymes with "soul"... And the chorus to "X-ray Eyes" is really irritating. I'm not slagging the album off, though, it's decent enough as 90s comeback albums go :))) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 24 00:40:18 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:40:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Real World Message-ID: I have the annoying habit of deleting my BOC-L e-mail immediately upon reading it, so bear with me...I'm responding to someone whose name I can't remember...and a message others might not remember. Someone really kicked my ass for not liking Real World. That's okay. I simply don't care much for it. It's not that I don't like acoustic. I love Jethro Tull and I even dig stuff like Allman Bros. and America. And Motorhead has done some fantastic things with unplugged guitars in this decade. But acoustic just isn't a direction I ever saw BOC going in...and if anyone ever told me they would, I would expect far more original and unique playing. You don't have to diss me for not wanting this kind of material from the Cult. How would YOU react if they'd done Power Underneath DISpair as a hip-hop track? The subject matter certainly lends itself to the gangsta universe, after all. -- Nick From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri Apr 24 04:40:41 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:40:41 +0200 Subject: BOC: Real World In-Reply-To: <19980424083212.AAA266@[208.214.94.84]> from "Nick English" at Apr 24, 98 04:40:18 am Message-ID: Nick English har 'zegd: > > I have the annoying habit of deleting my BOC-L e-mail immediately > upon reading it, so bear with me...I'm responding to someone whose > name I can't remember...and a message others might not remember. It wasn't me, BUT... > How would YOU react if > they'd done Power Underneath DISpair as a hip-hop track? The subject matter > certainly lends itself to the gangsta universe, after all. I'd be surprized and I probably would've liked it for getting so diverse. That's one of the reasons I like Club Ninja (where are those asbestos undies?): it's so untypical.... > > -- Nick Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 04:45:00 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:45:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, William Fuller wrote: > When I hear > > I'd like to see you in black > I'd like to see you in black > I'd like to see you in black > I'd like to see you in black > I'd like to see you in black > I'd like to see you in black > > over and over, I say "what were they thinking?" I have no problem with this one. The lyrics in the verses and the general energy are good enough to carry it off. But I do have a problem with: Power underneath.... Power underneath.... Power underneath despair Power underneath.... Power underneath.... Power underneath despair D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 04:54:54 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:54:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <000301bd6f58$60730dc0$9e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > I confess I'm surprised by the apparent popularity of "Damaged" - I always > seem to hear an "uh-huh uh-huh" before "I like it" NNNYYYAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!! Now why did you have to share that with us? I'll never be able to listen to it in the same way again. :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 04:54:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:54:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But these are the two best tracks!!!! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Hardman DK > Sent: 24 April 1998 09:45 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Reverse fungus > > > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, William Fuller wrote: > > > When I hear > > > > I'd like to see you in black > > I'd like to see you in black > > I'd like to see you in black > > I'd like to see you in black > > I'd like to see you in black > > I'd like to see you in black > > > > over and over, I say "what were they thinking?" > > I have no problem with this one. The lyrics in the verses and the general > energy are good enough to carry it off. But I do have a problem with: > > Power underneath.... > Power underneath.... > Power underneath despair > Power underneath.... > Power underneath.... > Power underneath despair > > D > > > ****************************************************************** > ************ > > David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner > HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" > School of Informatics (John Hegley) > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > ****************************************************************** > *********** > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 04:56:36 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:56:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I confess I'm surprised by the apparent popularity of "Damaged" > - I always > > seem to hear an "uh-huh uh-huh" before "I like it" > > > NNNYYYAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!! Now why did you have to share that with us? > I'll never be able to listen to it in the same way again. :) > > Dave Am I evil? Yes I am! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 05:16:41 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:16:41 +0100 Subject: Disturbing lyrics revisited In-Reply-To: <000501bd6f5e$e2fbbe80$9e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: Anyone checked out the lyrics to Cagey Cretins recently? Not necessarily disturbing, but boy are they strange...... D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 05:24:45 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:24:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:09:57 BST." <000201bd6f58$5ec7cec0$9e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > Andy, this is sort of important if it should be truly leak proof... The > > track listing should be in with you *before* the recipients are drawn, > > right? Otherwise someone could likely "cheat".... of course the trax will > > be "confidential" until the poor bastard receives a tape :) > > > > Chr. > > Yep, In about 3 weeks from now I'll post a message saying, OK, who's got > their tape ready, and only then will I draw the recipients. I might get > AB's tape full of Savatage and King's X... (sorry AB) or I might get the > coolest tape imaginable from someone who usually just lurks! Yeah, but at the same time, knowledge of who the tape is destined for might positively affect your selection. For instance, if I get picked to send the tape to Andy, there ain't much point putting "When" (random example ;-) on it, 'cos I have a fair knowledge of their taste, based on ObCD tags. I suppose this matters less if indeed the tapes begin to circulate. Also I made a list of 'must have' tracks last night, and given their length I might have to spill into 2xC60 :-0 cheers, Tim From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 05:58:48 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:58:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, William Fuller wrote: [re: I'd like to see you in black] > The music is disappointingly simple (except for the soloing). Could you take me gently through the time signatures, then? My brain just isn't up to it any more! There's a bit in 3, then an extra beat, then the main verse, but I suspect that something else slightly tricky happens too. - Mike Godwin From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Apr 24 06:13:11 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:13:11 PDT Subject: BOC: Disturbing lyrics revisited Message-ID: David Hardman sayeth.... >Anyone checked out the lyrics to Cagey Cretins recently? Not necessarily >disturbing, but boy are they strange...... > This is a song which has concerned me for some years...What is it all about? Surely not just an ode to boredom in Maine! Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 06:23:13 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:13 +0100 Subject: HW:bootleg In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:54:12 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Miikaa > > > At 17:02 1998-04-23 +0300, you wrote: > >My hawkfrend told me, that he saw long time ago notice in some >magazine > where somebody sell HW bootleg call Starfarers Dispatch! >Has anyone ever > hear about this? > > Yes! But the bootleg CD (Birmingham, Kinetic Playground 1971) was never > released as far as I know. > > Or am I wrong ? I believe that the source was the same as Orgasmatron and The Cyberspace Conspiracy and that it wasn't released. > Bernhard FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 07:24:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:24:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Kingston Wall source? Message-ID: Does anyone know a mail-order source for the Kingston Wall CD re-releases? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 06:34:10 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:10 +0100 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? In-Reply-To: reset3xKO's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:04:42 +0200 Message-ID: reset3xKO writes: > 451942 HAWKWIND-SINGLE'S A'S & B'S 1970-1980 $19.95 > 1998 compilation on Repertoire featuring 20 of the space rock act's > best from this period. > Found the above posted in alt.music.spacerock availible from THe Artist's > Shop... curious if there are any odd mixes etc. that are still vinyl only > that may be on here? Anyone? Either way it will be a nice package knowing > Reportoire. The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha PXR5 : the edited version on the 25 Years single That's about it I believe. FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 06:46:38 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:46:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Pink Fairies & a compilation Message-ID: Hi there folks, I cannot remember if anyone gave a review of the Pink Fairies CD 'No Picture'. And if they did was it longer than 'crap', because that sums it up quite adequately. It is just Twink and Paul, recorded 1996/7 and is on Twink records TWKCD8. This ought to have been enough to warn me off, however with the track listing People helping people, love punks, no picture, you've got a problem, going down to the city, '67 and rokon I thought there were a couple of titles that might be interesting. However it sounds like it was recorded by a bassist and drummer, who might just stretch to playing rhythm guitar. There are few lyrics, generally about 12 per song, which are sampled and repeated in a very irritating fashion until they get bored with the whole idea. It is even worse than pleasure island, which at least had one track that had musical identity. The other thing I recently bought is a 3 CD compilation called 'The sixties to seventies in search of space'. It claims to be 3 CDs of psychedelia, and there are interesting things on it, but nothing new. The HW is off the usual low qualitry live CDs, but the tracks that might interst people on the list are: Hawkwind - Master of the Universe - Welcome to the Future - Sonic Attack - Silver Machine Robert Calvert & Amon Duul - Urban Indian Pink Fairies - Midnight Rambler - Out of the pink jam Man - The ride and the view Daevid Allen - Stoned Innocent Frankenstein Gong - Opium for the people I don't know where the 2 PF tracks come from, but they sound like Twink releases (live and rubbish), does anyone know from where they originate? Mike w From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 06:49:16 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:49:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Disturbing lyrics revisited Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Horse Whisperer To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:12 AM Subject: BOC: Disturbing lyrics revisited >David Hardman sayeth.... > >>Anyone checked out the lyrics to Cagey Cretins recently? Not >necessarily >>disturbing, but boy are they strange...... >> > >This is a song which has concerned me for some years...What is it all >about? >Surely not just an ode to boredom in Maine! Got to agree here, just what are the lyrics to "Cagey Cretins" on about ? In fact, most of the songs on Tyranny and Mutation are obscure, any one care to enlighten me as to the meaning/story of this albums tracks ? Andy C From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 06:56:02 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:56:02 +0100 Subject: HW: new compilation Message-ID: I've just picked up a cheap (6 Pounds) compilation called "Hawkwind: The Masters" on Eagle Records (EAB CD 084) The tracklist is: Space Orgone Accumulator Upside Down Sonic Attack Time We Left 10 seconds of Forever Brainstorm Seven by Seven Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future Which makes me rather suspect that this is a rerelease of Space Ritual II. FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 07:03:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:03:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <199804240924.KAA03500@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Yeah, but at the same time, knowledge of who the tape is destined > for might > positively affect your selection. For instance, if I get picked > to send the > tape > to Andy, there ain't much point putting "When" (random example > ;-) on it, 'cos > I have a fair knowledge of their taste, based on ObCD tags. I suppose this > matters less if indeed the tapes begin to circulate. > Another good reason to not hang on to the tape you first get! (But If I had to pick, I'd go for "From on High" meself :) (And "Burning of Rome"'ll probably end up on mine too!) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 24 07:16:54 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:16:54 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <000301bd6f58$60730dc0$9e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > > >, and any song with the > lyric "I live for rock and roll" is immediately suspect anyway! Especially > when it rhymes with "soul"... And the chorus to "X-ray Eyes" is really > irritating. That line is clearly a bit of satire...As is the rest of the song... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 24 07:29:51 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:29:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <000a01bd6d44$4a730ea0$693f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy, this sounds like something that should be done. Can you post the venue, times, and ticket details? Cheers mate! Yours, Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 24 07:33:24 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:33:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <8f68c663.35400c58@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: StevenTice > I do object to his usage of terms. Just because one personally dislikes > something does not necessarily make it "shit" or "crap"... To arbitrarily Unless of course, the band is a certain trio that hails from Toronto, and features a singer with a, well, unusual vocal style... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 07:39:10 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:39:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LA2, right next door to the Astoria itself, June 14, ten pounds. 7pm - 11pm, it says here so you should be able to get yer last train! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > Sent: 24 April 1998 12:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Masters of Reality > > > Andy, > this sounds like something that should be done. Can you > post the venue, times, and ticket details? Cheers mate! Yours, > Jon > From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 07:36:32 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:36:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: In "Vera Gemini" we have : "On the 24th of May I'll gather up your reins" Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have "The Last days of May" "Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) "The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember where and my copies at home. Any ideas ? Andy C From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 07:51:08 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:51:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: Why May??? Message-ID: Opps that should have had the subject line of Why May? >In "Vera Gemini" we have : > >"On the 24th of May >I'll gather up your reins" > >Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have >to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have > >"The Last days of May" >"Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) >"The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) >And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember >where and my copies at home. > >Any ideas ? >Andy C From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 24 08:08:33 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:08:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: <000601bd6dde$2fb377e0$693f63c3@default> Message-ID: Right! What time are the doors? If we arrange a meeting time then I'll be more prepared for this gig than I have been in living memory... when I get my ticket! Which has just caused me to remember last BOC gig - came down from Cambridge the week before, left my ticket there...Didn't find out until the day. Had to coach up to get it and back down again at top speed, arrived just as the support band were starting. Still worth it! Right - I'm gonna sort that ticket out! Jon On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Top end of Charing Cross Road, right near Tottenham Court Road tube, Central > and Northern Lines. Buses? 176, 24, 29, 38, 14, 22, 10, 74, 8, 25, 7 (and > that's just from memory :) > > Pint - well there's that Royal George place, which is the most obvious, but > I think it sucks (and last time I was there it was 2-50 for cooking lager), > so I'd suggest either the Angel in St Giles High Street (cross the road > outside the Astoria and carry on 100 yds) or the Blue Posts in Tottenham > Court Road (behind the Virgin Megastore, opposite the Dominion Theatre). > > If it's fine, the Angel has a nice little beer garden, if that helps the > decision! > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 08:15:07 1998 From: mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:15:07 +0100 Subject: Astoria show Message-ID: Last I heard, the BOC London show was sold out, but some agencies still had tickets at slightly higher prices (I think Stargreen is one of these, although I am not 100% sure about the name) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett [SMTP:jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK] > Sent: 24 April 1998 13:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) > > > Right! What time are the doors? If we arrange a meeting time > then > I'll be more prepared for this gig than I have been in living > memory... > when I get my ticket! > Which has just caused me to remember last BOC gig - came down > from > Cambridge the week before, left my ticket there...Didn't find out > until > the day. Had to coach up to get it and back down again at top speed, > arrived just as the support band were starting. Still worth it! > Right - I'm gonna sort that ticket out! > Jon > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 24 08:28:33 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:28:33 +0100 Subject: Astoria show In-Reply-To: <00696BE80A76D111825100E0290613651775F5@man3.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, the Astoria just sold me one! Christ, don't _do_ that to people! Looks like I'll be seeing people there :-) Jon On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Paul Mitchell wrote: > Last I heard, the BOC London show was sold out, but some agencies still > had tickets at slightly higher prices (I think Stargreen is one of > these, although I am not 100% sure about the name) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Apr 24 08:28:40 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:28:40 -0400 Subject: Why May??? Message-ID: Harvest Moon "Ten years come this May" > ---------- > From: Andy C[SMTP:acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 7:51 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: Why May??? > > Opps that should have had the subject line of Why May? > > > >In "Vera Gemini" we have : > > > >"On the 24th of May > >I'll gather up your reins" > > > >Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have > >to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have > > > >"The Last days of May" > >"Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) > >"The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) > >And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember > >where and my copies at home. > > > >Any ideas ? > >Andy C > From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 24 07:30:47 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:30:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: >to Andy, there ain't much point putting "When" (random example ;-) on it, 'cos >I have a fair knowledge of their taste, based on ObCD tags. I suppose this >matters less if indeed the tapes begin to circulate. I would like it if there were scheduled rotation... it would have to be long enough to allow for people who may be away for certain stretches, but basically you get the tape, listen to it in set period of time, make a copy if you wish, then on set date pass it on to the next... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 24 07:30:49 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:30:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: >In "Vera Gemini" we have : > >"On the 24th of May >I'll gather up your reins" > >Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have >to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have > >"The Last days of May" >"Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) >"The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) >And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember >where and my copies at home. > >Any ideas ? This is in the FAQ. The 24th of May is Albert Bouchard's birthday. At least as far as Vera is concerned. Last Days I think is when the original failed drug deal took place as described in the song... Doubt any mention in HF had anything to do w/ Albert... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri Apr 24 08:39:21 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:39:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <199804241130.HAA14357@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Apr 24, 98 07:30:47 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold har 'zegd: > > I would like it if there were scheduled rotation... it would > have to be long enough to allow for people who may be away > for certain stretches, but basically you get the tape, listen > to it in set period of time, make a copy if you wish, then on > set date pass it on to the next... Well... It all depends on how large the list'll get. I don't _really_ fancy having to send 70-some tapes to the US.... Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 08:42:30 1998 From: mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:42:30 +0100 Subject: Astoria show Message-ID: Strange... a day or so ago, a friend tried the Astoria for tickets and was told that they were sold out....maybe they didn't like the sound of his voice?! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett [SMTP:jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK] > Sent: 24 April 1998 13:29 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Astoria show > > Well, the Astoria just sold me one! Christ, don't _do_ that to > people! > Looks like I'll be seeing people there :-) > Jon > > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Paul Mitchell wrote: > > > Last I heard, the BOC London show was sold out, but some agencies > still > > had tickets at slightly higher prices (I think Stargreen is one of > > these, although I am not 100% sure about the name) From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Apr 24 08:54:24 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:54:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Why May? Message-ID: Ever try to rhyme lyrics to January or October? That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Brian From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 24 08:20:38 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:20:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: >Well... It all depends on how large the list'll get. I don't _really_ >fancy having to send 70-some tapes to the US.... Okay, we'll put you down for someone in Australia... Good point. If nothing else, the list can be geographically planned, perhaps... though at the same time I think it might be more interesting to get tapes further locales than nearby... and one way or another, they're going to have to make the crossing, it isn't fair if one person always has someone 5 miles away and the next has to mail halfway around the world... Any ideas? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri Apr 24 09:28:22 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:28:22 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <199804241220.IAA15306@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Apr 24, 98 08:20:38 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold har 'zegd: > > Good point. If nothing else, the list can be geographically > planned, perhaps... though at the same time I think it might > be more interesting to get tapes further locales than nearby... > and one way or another, they're going to have to make the > crossing, it isn't fair if one person always has someone > 5 miles away and the next has to mail halfway around the world... > > Any ideas? > Well, one thing is having 'sub-lists', each of them having no more than, say, 10 addresses. These can be as wide-spread as can be. I think other schemes might get very complicated. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Fri Apr 24 09:35:05 1998 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:35:05 +0300 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:24:33 -0000." <473578.3102405873@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl's message dated: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:24:33 -0000 > Does anyone know a mail-order source for the Kingston Wall CD > re-releases? Check out http://www.digelius.com/ which is a very nice shop and does very good service. I don't have any experience with mail-orders from them, but they do that also. The Kingston Wall CD's are mentioned in http://www.digelius.com/newrel.htm so the chances are quite good... //niko ObCD: Kingston Wall II From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 24 05:51:04 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:51:04 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: > I do object to his usage of terms. Just because one personally dislikes > something does not necessarily make it "shit" or "crap"... To arbitrarily I swear I'm not trying to start trouble here, but don't you think my usage of a few dirty words is being taken WAY too seriously? It's just my opinion, and that's the terminology I chose. No specific reason, no truly destructive malice intended. Just kinda the way I talk. If we were having this conversation face-to-face, you wouldn't have been offended. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 09:48:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:48:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had a look yesterday and the Blue Posts has been demolished!!! Turn your back for a moment and anything can happen! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > Sent: 24 April 1998 13:09 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) > > > > Right! What time are the doors? If we arrange a meeting time then > I'll be more prepared for this gig than I have been in living memory... > when I get my ticket! > Which has just caused me to remember last BOC gig - came down from > Cambridge the week before, left my ticket there...Didn't find out until > the day. Had to coach up to get it and back down again at top speed, > arrived just as the support band were starting. Still worth it! > Right - I'm gonna sort that ticket out! > Jon > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > Top end of Charing Cross Road, right near Tottenham Court Road > tube, Central > > and Northern Lines. Buses? 176, 24, 29, 38, 14, 22, 10, 74, > 8, 25, 7 (and > > that's just from memory :) > > > > Pint - well there's that Royal George place, which is the most > obvious, but > > I think it sucks (and last time I was there it was 2-50 for > cooking lager), > > so I'd suggest either the Angel in St Giles High Street (cross the road > > outside the Astoria and carry on 100 yds) or the Blue Posts in Tottenham > > Court Road (behind the Virgin Megastore, opposite the Dominion Theatre). > > > > If it's fine, the Angel has a nice little beer garden, if that helps the > > decision! > > > > - Andy > > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 08:23:58 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:23:58 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits Message-ID: This was posted to the Moorcock list, thought it might apply. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Dear All, This was sent to me by Mike Mooorcock. Thought i'd pass it on, as instructed... "... RE: cookies THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE---- PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADRESS: My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". (EDITORIAL COMMENT: Neiman's is a VERY EXPENSIVE depertment store) It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I'm afraid not". "Well", I said, "would you let me buy the recipe?" With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it's a great deal!" I said, with approval, "Just add it to my tab." Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remember I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe $250.00" That's outrageous! I called Neiman's Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any POSSIBLE interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money, because according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the recipe - we absolutely will NOT refund your money at this point." I explained to her the criminal statutes that govern fraud in Texas, I threatened to refer them to the Better Buisness Bureau and the State's Attorney General for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do what you want, we don't give a crap, and we're not refunding your money." I waited, thinking of how I could get sweet revenge, or even just try and get at least *some* of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun!" I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus... for free! She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off", and slammed down the phone on her... (evil grin) So, here it is!! Please, please, PLEASE pass it on to *everyone* you can possibly think of. I paid $250 (((DOLLARS))) for this... I don't want Neiman-Marcus to ever get another penny off of this recipe... (Recipe may be halved): 2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. baking soda 2 cups sugar 5 cups blended oatmeal 24 oz. Chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. Salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. Vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) Measure outmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Enjoy cooking the most *expensive* cookie in the world - FREE!! Kathy Watson-Pearson Administrative Services USC School of Medicine 3555 Harden Street Ext. Suite 101 Columbia, SC 29208 Office: (803) 434-4200 Fax: (803) 434-4288 Pass it on... BTW my mother made the recipe and gives it 2 thumbs up (though she says it isn't good enough to cost $250.00!!)..." Best, John. -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 09:53:13 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:53:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <199804241130.HAA14357@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > I would like it if there were scheduled rotation... it would > have to be long enough to allow for people who may be away > for certain stretches, but basically you get the tape, listen > to it in set period of time, make a copy if you wish, then on > set date pass it on to the next... if you think I'm organising *that*, think again! :)) I may be evil, but I'm not stupid... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 09:36:19 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:36:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Pink Fairies & a compilation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , M S Wright writes >It is even worse than pleasure island, which at least had one track that >had musical identity. All the reviews I saw were v. positive. Didn't Jill post a thumbs up for it too? I was going to get it at some stage. Is it no good then IYHO, Mike? No "What A Bunch Of Sweeties?" BTW the annual Record Collector Most Collectable Bands Poll 1998 has HW 4 places up on last year at #33 BOC have dropped 70 odd places to #394 (Browsed at newstand, don't have it in front of me.) -- Jon in the player - Meat Puppets - Too High To Die From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 11:08:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:08:56 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OFF:_Vad=E5?= Message-ID: Has anyone (particularly the list-Swedes) heard of a band called Vad?? I gather they do heavy guitar rock with folk influences. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Apr 24 08:59:11 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:59:11 +1000 Subject: HW: Repertoire Message-ID: Hi all, Just got back to Oz (phew!), and haven't read my mail yet so this may be old news .... seems like repertoire have done a HW comp. All I know about it is as follows. Anyone seen it? REPERTOIRE RR 4676 HAWKWIND - SINGLE'S A'S & B'S THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION! 20 GREATEST HIT Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From micci at SCI.FI Fri Apr 24 10:11:19 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:11:19 +0300 Subject: HW: Covers All, Tape 5 (was: Re: HW: Kula Shaker Hurry on Sundown) and KREL Message-ID: Hi! >Here are some other versions that you may not have come across, from a list >that Brian Tawn supplied to me a few years back: > >On Record or CD (None of which I have unfortunately): e >Kollaa Kestea - Urban Guerilla I have this one. It?s Kaupunki sissi=urban guerilla. Kollaa Kest?? was one of the first "punk?s" band in finland. They record that song 1979 in their debyt LP. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Fri Apr 24 10:11:21 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:11:21 +0300 Subject: off:kingston wall Message-ID: >Carl's message dated: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:24:33 -0000 >> Does anyone know a mail-order source for the Kingston Wall CD >> re-releases? > >Check out http://www.digelius.com/ which is a very nice shop and does very >good service. I don't have any experience with mail-orders from them, >but they do that also. > >The Kingston Wall CD's are mentioned in >http://www.digelius.com/newrel.htm so the chances are quite good... Also Popparienkeli www.popangel.fi Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 24 10:13:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:13:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: Don't know about Astronomy and Last Days but, "the 24th of May" is Al Bouchard's birthday - Patti Smith gave him lyrics to Vera Gemini as a birthday present (although the lyrics are presumably about Bob Dylan, who's birthday is also that day). John From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Apr 24 10:14:35 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:14:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Message-ID: Just have one "hat" for Europe, and one "hat" for USA and then Andy can randomly "match" em up. The Australians can remain isolated down under amongst themselves, seeing as history/gene pool proves that critters and bands down under only get *more* bizarre *with* isolation for some reason ;-) (seriously, just toss ye olde colonial prison in either bag ;) Chr. > Andrew A. Apold har 'zegd: > > > > Good point. If nothing else, the list can be geographically > > planned, perhaps... though at the same time I think it might > > be more interesting to get tapes further locales than nearby... > > and one way or another, they're going to have to make the > > crossing, it isn't fair if one person always has someone > > 5 miles away and the next has to mail halfway around the world... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Well, one thing is having 'sub-lists', each of them having no more > than, say, 10 addresses. These can be as wide-spread as can be. > > I think other schemes might get very complicated. > > Arjan H > -- > Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! > > Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl > > For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 24 10:20:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:48 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, but how much is a "cup" eh? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 10:50:49 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:50:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Repertoire In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?='s message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:59:11 +1000 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?= writes: > Hi all, > > Just got back to Oz (phew!), and haven't read my mail yet so this may be old > news .... seems like repertoire have done a HW comp. All I know about it is > as follows. Anyone seen it? > > REPERTOIRE RR 4676 > HAWKWIND - SINGLE'S A'S & B'S > THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION! 20 GREATEST HIT If this was 1970-1980 as the previous poster indicated that means the 20 come from the 38 tracks: Hurry on Sundown/ Mirror of Illusion 1970 (Liberty) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 1972 (UA) Hurry on Sundown/Master of the Universe/Silver Machine/Orgone Accumulator [ US double 7" EP] Lord of Light (edited)/ Born to Go (edited Greasy Truckers version) - [German release] 1973 Urban Guerilla/ Brainbox Pollution 1973 (UA) Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla [German UA release] Sonic Attack 1974 [White label promo disc - one sided - in cloth bag] Paradox (edited)/ You'd Better Believe It (edited) 1974 (UA) - (both on "Stasis" compilation) [German release] Silver Machine/ 7 by 7/ Lord of Light/ Born to Go [German double single] Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 1974 (UA) Psychedelic Warlords/ Hall of the Mountain Grill/ D-Rider/ Wind of Change [ US EP (UA-SP-109) 1974] Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 1974 (UA) pic sleeve Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 1975 (two different lables) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" reissue 1976 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 1976 (Charisma) pic sleeve Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 1977 (Charisma) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 1977 (European Charisma) Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 1977 (French Charisma) Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 1977 (Italian Charisma) pic sleeve Psi Power/ Deathtrap 1978 (Charisma) 25 Years/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 1979 (Charisma) 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 1979 12" EP on grey vinyl Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 1980 (Bronze) pic sleeve Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 1980 (Bronze) pic sleeve - 2 diff labels From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Apr 24 10:54:02 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:54:02 +0200 Subject: BOC:Baltimore Message-ID: Hej, A friend of mine who puts out a music zine called Chaos, sent me this email: I saw BOC Saturday night and I am still coming down off the high of it. This is the best show I've seen since I saw Jordan Macarus (Winterhawk) in Chicago in '91. It was even a little better than UFO in '95 and ANEKDOTEN. They were just so ripping, it was great! Song selection was (don't think I'm missing anything): Burnin' For you, Cities On Flame, The Last Days of May (this was beyond comprehension, it was at least 8-10 min long w/this massive fast jam in the middle), OD'd on Life Itself, Dominance & Submission, Flaming Telepaths, ETI, Reaper, Godzilla, The Vigil(!!!! I was totally blown away by this also), See You in Black, Harvest Moon (another one that totally blew me away, with Allen and Buck trading lead licks!), Live For Me, In Thee (acoustic version, like on the new album). I think that's it, but I can't be held accountable, as I was in rapture during this show! It was the first time I've seen them since like '91, far too long. Since I last commented on it, I've also updated my opinion on the new BOC - "Heaven Forbid," I think I said it was good or OK, something like that. With increased familiarity with it, it is dawning on me that this is one fucking incredible album!!!! I absolutely love it, I have had the songs from it running through my head for the last 2 weeks straight. And, it's not just one song, it's been nearly all of them, which shows you the incredible strenght of the songwriting in this band, even minus Albert, the songwriting is mastergful. I would say that the new PARIAH is the best metal album so far this year, but the BOC is the best album for overall music, because of the incredible variety and catchiness of the songs. I also have the new CD and it really has grown on me a lot. I think the best song on the CD is Damaged. I love the funky rhythm and it has the best interplay between buck and alan on the whole CD. Great song... One thing that I have not seen anyone dare to mention is............. scott ObCD- Blind Man's Bluff (Denmark 1997) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 24 10:51:45 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:51:45 -0400 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > This was posted to the Moorcock list, thought it might apply. > > > > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > Dear All, > > This was sent to me by Mike Mooorcock. Thought i'd pass it on, as > instructed... > > "... RE: cookies > > THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE---- PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEND THIS > TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADRESS: > > My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas > and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie > lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". (EDITORIAL COMMENT: > Neiman's is a VERY EXPENSIVE depertment store) It was so excellent that I > asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small > frown, "I'm afraid not". [...etc...] This is a well-known urban legend/chain letter that does the rounds on e-mail. I've not yet seen a variant in which Craig Shergold inadvertently buys the cookie recipe, but give it time... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Thick As A Brick_ (25th Anniversary Edition) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 24 11:05:36 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:05:36 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is an old one, I'm afraid; even a Times columnist has written an article about it (John Diamond, if anyone's interested). He actually got in touch with Nieman-Marcus, and established that (a) there is only one Nieman-Marcus in the US and it is not in [whatever location his vrsion of the story specified] (though I suppose that could be out of date), and that (b) there is no Nieman-Marcus Cookie. The person he spoke to had heard the story several thousand times. It's either a junk-mail, or some very cunning publicity... Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 11:25:45 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:25:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Astoria show (was HF review) In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:48:33 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > I had a look yesterday and the Blue Posts has been demolished!!! Turn your > back for a moment and anything can happen! > Ha!! I'm not the only one this happens to then 8-) I'll lend you my London Pub Guide..... jill > > > so I'd suggest either the Angel in St Giles High Street (cross the road > > > outside the Astoria and carry on 100 yds) or the Blue Posts in Tottenham > > > Court Road (behind the Virgin Megastore, opposite the Dominion Theatre). ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Apr 24 11:41:15 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:41:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: Hi Folks... I'd like to apologise in advance for this....Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Space Rock Pioneers to become kinder, gentler, and tubbier LONDON, April 23 (AFP) Legendary underground cosmic rockers Hawkwind have announced plans for a major world tour to commence this summer, beginning in July with shows across the UK. The band will perform a selection of classic tracks spanning their storied 30-year history, but with a new twist. Long known for transforming conceptual ideas into visual extravaganzas, Hawkwind is in the process of developing a new stage set based entirely on the popular BBC children's show, 'Teletubbies.' The backdrop of the set will resemble the Tubbies' own Tubbytronic Superdome, an astroturf-covered habitat constructed for the TV show by Ragdoll Productions in the rolling hills beyond the town limits of Stratford-upon-Avon. Hawkwind will actually be performing under the moniker 'Telehawkies' during Tubby Tour '98, forwarning concert-goers of the sights and sounds to be offered. Band members will be appropriately attired in officially-licenced Tubby suits, with specially-designed aerials that will transmit signals from their instruments to the telephone-shaped loudspeakers on either side of the stage. The personas of the four Teletubbies as depicted in the BBC show will be adopted by the four musicians, under the pseudonyms Bricky Brocky, Jerry, Cha-Cha, and Tree. When asked about the peculiar merging of preschool entertainment with high-volume rock and roll, bandleader Dave Brock responded with, "Well, if you've ever seen the (TV) show, you'd know it's quite repetitive in nature, and some would argue that our music is also quite repetitive. And you know we're all getting 'on' a bit, and we figure our fans are likewise. So, you know how it is when you begin to experience life through your children's activities? We know that out there are a whole generation of Hawkwind fans that are now raising their kids and end up watching programmes like Teletubbies, whether they want to or not. So it should be familiar to them at least. Also, I've heard some people complain that they can't see me or (drummer) Richard (Chadwick) on stage, so these giant aerials on our heads should make it easier for fans in the audience to actually locate us." "We've just gotten finished with another alien encounter-type tour," Brock continues, "so this just seemed like a natural progression. After all, these Tubby crestures are certainly mutant aliens of some sort, and communicate in a language that noone seems to comprehend. It actually ties in quite well with a lot of the science fiction-related songs in our past, and present for that matter." Much like when Hawkwind put forth their memorable 1986 UK tour, 'Chronicle of the Black Sword,' based on the characters and events from the series of sci-fi novels by Michael Moorcock (also a part-time rock music lyricist) best known as the Elric saga, Brock and company will redefine older songs in the current Tubby image. "Well, we see things like 'Coded Languages' not really needing any adaptation at all. You know, 'Question the nature of your orders.' That sort of thing is perfectly suited as it is. Other songs will need a bit of a rehash. I wrote this song about 10 years back called 'Treadmill,' which has the right sense to it for a Tubby version, although it will now have to be called 'Windmill' instead for obvious reasons." Once the UK leg (details below) of the tour is finished, the band will play a few festival shows on the mainland, and then head for the states for more shows there. Since American public television has recently begun showing Teletubbies, Brock feels that the concept won't be lost on most fans, even overseas. Plans are also in the works for a first-ever trip to Australia, and with the pop culture there already fully engrossed in Tubbymania, it's bound to be a success. Tubby Tour '98 Tubby Tunes Royal Tubby Wells, Kent Hurry On Sunrise Windmillton Keynes, Bucks. Toast & Buttery Teleford, Shropshire Choose Your Antennae Dipsy, Dipsyshire Coded Languages Huggersfield, W. Yorkshire Tubbytoid Vision Stockton-on-Toast, Cleveland Circles Lytham St. Aerials, Lancashire Windmill Eh-Ohburgh, Scooterland Tubbyslide Skyway Noo-noocastle-upon-Tyne, T&W Green-skinned Dipsy Custardfield, Dipsyshire Tele Tubby Dome Exists Weston-super-Dome, Avon Reject your Human Touch Lla-Llanelli, Wales Noo-noo Accumulator Custyrd Tybbyfill, Wales Pobot Newcastle-under-Ground, Staffords. Fable of a Furry Race Tinky Hinckley, Leics. Tubbysmith Podeon, London From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 24 11:49:41 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:49:41 -0500 Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... Message-ID: >Got to agree here, just what are the lyrics to "Cagey Cretins" on about ? In fact, most of the songs on Tyranny and Mutation are obscure, any one care to enlighten me as to the meaning/story of this albums tracks ? >Andy C Couple o' things - Cagey is on Secret Treaties Lyrics are rather bizzare and Eric does not ennunciate well so I don't know what all the words are. Lyrically, I pay little attention to BOC, if I did more songs would probably fall into the category of Seven Secreaming Dizbusters. For the record, love the music but hate the song for the playfull interlude with "old scratch." Dumb I know but 20 year + habits are hard to break. Note to Ted - Sava tape is starting to cook. I talked to the Setlist Master and he is intrigued by this. Knows and loves Sav. You my friend are doomed to become a major fan, (SETLIST MASTER never misses on these things). Only concern is that the stereo is a bit on the blink and I may have to make it a type I tape from my boombox. Won't be bad but not the quality of a type ii tape and the bigger stereo. Prepare for doom and lots of spending on Sava discs. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE. Ghost in the Ruins <---Title to A Sav song BTW From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 12:21:16 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:21:16 +0100 Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >Got to agree here, just what are the lyrics to "Cagey Cretins" on > about ? In > fact, most of the songs on Tyranny and Mutation are obscure, any one > care to enlighten me as to the meaning/story of this albums tracks ? > > >Andy C > > Couple o' things - > > Cagey is on Secret Treaties > Er yes,, It was actual secret traties I was refering too.. Apart from ME262, the other songs are a little obscure. Atill waiting for a meaning to Astronomy ! Andy C From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 12:39:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:39:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > I'd like to apologise in advance for this....Keith H. (FAA) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^ > Space Rock Pioneers to become kinder, gentler, and tubbier > > LONDON, April 23 (AFP) Legendary underground cosmic rockers Hawkwind have ^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't this read "April 1st" ? FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Apr 24 12:40:17 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:40:17 +0800 Subject: HW: low points and giving up Message-ID: Hi there >Note that I've updated this recently. It's likely that the copies out >there aren't current: > >[The Hawkwind Codex: Version 2.7 3rd March 1998 >=============================================== > >Those who keep public copies should email me for the latest version. >It's an 87K text file. > I would be very interested in receiving a copy of the current version, along with the Discography, which I have an older version of, Bye for now William From dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET Fri Apr 24 13:21:25 1998 From: dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET (Dennis Landstedt) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:21:25 -0400 Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The lyrics can easily be found on the Internet. If you have trouble, send me a private email and I will send you the URL. The lyrics to all songs on Secret Treaties, IMHO, are not meant to be taken seriously. there are a few where you can see a theme like ME262 is about the NAZI air force in WWI, etc, but you can go crazy trying to figure out the meaning behind most of the stuff! Dennis --------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Landstedt Home: (407) 359-3172 Microsoft MVP and SiteBuilder Network Member On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >Got to agree here, just what are the lyrics to "Cagey Cretins" on about ? In > fact, most of the songs on Tyranny and Mutation are obscure, any one > care to enlighten me as to the meaning/story of this albums tracks ? > > >Andy C > > Couple o' things - > > Cagey is on Secret Treaties > > Lyrics are rather bizzare and Eric does not ennunciate well so I don't > know what all the words are. > > Lyrically, I pay little attention to BOC, if I did more songs would > probably fall into the category of Seven Secreaming Dizbusters. For the > record, love the music but hate the song for the playfull interlude with > "old scratch." Dumb I know but 20 year + habits are hard to break. > > Note to Ted - Sava tape is starting to cook. I talked to the Setlist > Master and he is intrigued by this. Knows and loves Sav. You my friend > are doomed to become a major fan, (SETLIST MASTER never misses on these > things). Only concern is that the stereo is a bit on the blink and I > may have to make it a type I tape from my boombox. Won't be bad but not > the quality of a type ii tape and the bigger stereo. Prepare for doom > and lots of spending on Sava discs. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE. > > Ghost in the Ruins <---Title to A Sav song BTW > From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 24 13:41:54 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:41:54 -0700 Subject: BOC: So I'm not George Clooney (Was Baltimore) Message-ID: " I know, its me isn't it?" NOT!!!! Uh sorry I have this thing for George Clooney who always seems to say this.... Scott>The Last Days of May (this was beyond comprehension, it was at least 8-10 min long w/this massive fast jam in the middle), OD'd on Life Itself, Dominance & Submission, Flaming Telepaths, ETI, Reaper, Godzilla, The Vigil(!!!! I was totally blown away by this also), See You in Black, Harvest Moon (another one that totally blew me away, with Allen and Buck trading lead licks!), After the Jaxx show I sure felt like George Clooney so thank you much Scott for proving to myself that was not the case. Specifically, I have never heard the Vigil sound like that before, nor Last Days. Its been one whole week since the gig and I still don't know which of the three (Vigil, May, Harvest) was the best song of the night. One of them was but I'll be damned if I can decide. Does anyone have a laymens explanation as to why the Vigil goes beyond awesome these days? Ghort in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 24 14:29:16 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: Off: Tape Project Message-ID: >AB's tape full of Savatage and King's X... (sorry AB) Ouch! No need to apologize, but tell me, am I that transparent? 8>). I'm still undecided on the project for a couple of reasons. I have maybe 200 cd's but most of these are the same artist (complete Triumph catalog, KX, BOC etc.) so there is little in the way of different bands to choose from. While everyone knows I'm nuts about KX and Sav I'm not currently considering either. Flipping a coin between an all Galactic Cowboys or all Saigon Kick or 50/50 both, (though the styles are universes apart.) This leads to another question, is it fair to load up a tape that someone in the ring may fall in love with just to find out they can't get their hands on the bands material? SK no longer exists though the band is said to be re-forming with a new label and name. Their catalog isn't widely kept either, Towers for instance doesn't sell them anymore. Guess what I'm getting at is should this be limited to bands who's music is generally available? Granted that could be a problem anyway with Australia/Europe/US all in the mix. Could another rule hurt? I just hope the Setlist Master does not partake in this project. Won't reveal his identiy but he is a lurker on this list with a twisted sense of humor. He's likely to take some gawd awful band like Loudness and make you fall in love with them. Half of my meager collection of complete catalogs is a direct result of listening to this guys comps so be warned. Ghost in the Ruins From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Apr 24 15:19:10 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:19:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ted A is Doooomeddd....... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >Note to Ted - Sava tape is starting to cook. I talked to the Setlist >Master and he is intrigued by this. Knows and loves Sav. You my friend >are doomed to become a major fan, (SETLIST MASTER never misses on these >things). Only concern is that the stereo is a bit on the blink and I >may have to make it a type I tape from my boombox. Won't be bad but not >the quality of a type ii tape and the bigger stereo. Prepare for doom >and lots of spending on Sava discs. HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE. > oh sure, just what I need..... with over 700 titles between vinyl and CD, I need another band to get fanatical about???? sheesh...... but go ahead with it....I'll have to return the favor with a CD....once I get some of my new audio software figured out, it might even contain some choice vinyl (can you say Radio shows?).... Ted From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 24 15:09:56 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:09:56 -0700 Subject: BOC: Is Imaginos really that good? Message-ID: >And, y'know, with the exception of Imaginos, this might be the first BOC album since Secret Treaties that achieves that... (surrrounded by asbestos Ghost retorts) I cannot in good faith accept this statement unless it read "this might be the first BOC album since Secret Treaties that acheives that." Imaginos, not as guilty as say Club Ninja, but guilty nonetheless. OK feel free to drop napalm on me now... Ghost in the Ruins OBjustcuriousandreallydumbquestion > if you remove the "on" from "Hurry on Sundown" song does it sound anything like the Outlaw's version? From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Apr 24 23:24:10 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Z) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:24:10 -0700 Subject: Off: Tape Project Message-ID: Does it actually matter? As long as one person is touched or inspired by a song or an artist then the project is worthwhile. And looking at it from the other side (+2000 different artists in my collection) doesn't make the final track listing any easier. (Especially now that "Saigon Kick" and "Water" have been dug out and fallen in love with all over again) Zeit BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > I'm still undecided on the project for a couple of reasons. I have > maybe 200 cd's but most of these are the same artist (complete Triumph > catalog, KX, BOC etc.) so there is little in the way of different bands > to choose from. > > While everyone knows I'm nuts about KX and Sav I'm not currently > considering either. Flipping a coin between an all Galactic Cowboys or > all Saigon Kick or 50/50 both, (though the styles are universes apart.) > This leads to another question, is it fair to load up a tape that > someone in the ring may fall in love with just to find out they can't > get their hands on the bands material? SK no longer exists though the > band is said to be re-forming with a new label and name. Their catalog > isn't widely kept either, Towers for instance doesn't sell them anymore. > Guess what I'm getting at is should this be limited to bands who's > music is generally available? Granted that could be a problem anyway > with Australia/Europe/US all in the mix. Could another rule hurt? > > I just hope the Setlist Master does not partake in this project. Won't > reveal his identiy but he is a lurker on this list with a twisted sense > of humor. He's likely to take some gawd awful band like Loudness and > make you fall in love with them. Half of my meager collection of > complete catalogs is a direct result of listening to this guys comps so > be warned. > > Ghost in the Ruins -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Apr 24 15:21:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:21:18 -0400 Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... In-Reply-To: <3540BBFC.44E38B10@computing.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy C sez >It was actual secret traties I was refering too.. Apart from ME262, the >other >songs are a little obscure. > >Atill waiting for a meaning to Astronomy ! > personally, I just take them all as poetry.... I get enough headache trying to figure out the songs with obvious meanings! who knows what kind of drugs Pearlman and Meltzer were on back then? Ted From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Apr 24 15:19:06 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:19:06 -0700 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? Message-ID: on Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:10 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >reset3xKO writes: > >> 451942 HAWKWIND-SINGLE'S A'S & B'S 1970-1980 $19.95 >> 1998 compilation on Repertoire featuring 20 of the space rock act's >> best from this period. >> Found the above posted in alt.music.spacerock availible from THe Artist's >> Shop... curious if there are any odd mixes etc. that are still vinyl only >> that may be on here? Anyone? Either way it will be a nice package knowing >> Reportoire. > >The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > >D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 >Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha >PXR5 : the edited version on the 25 Years single > >That's about it I believe. Does this mean that 'Stasis' and the 'XISOS' remaster have different versions of "Silver Machine"? (if so, which one corresponds to which inner-groove etching? ... I know, I should just check to Codex but I'm feeling lazy today.) What CD is the single version of "Psi Power" on? Thanks, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Apr 24 23:28:25 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Z) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:28:25 -0700 Subject: BOC: Is Imaginos really that good? Message-ID: Uh, huh, that's a really dumb question. Zeit BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > OBjustcuriousandreallydumbquestion > if you remove the "on" from "Hurry > on Sundown" song does it sound anything like the Outlaw's version? -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Fri Apr 24 15:55:02 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:55:02 -0800 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE---- PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEND THIS > TO EVERY PERSON YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADRESS: > My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas > and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie > lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". This is an urban legend that has been going around for years. The original version has the food as "Red Velvet Cake," the amount of the bill as $300, and the location as the Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Otherwise, the story is exactly the same. Check out the entry in the book BIGGER SECRETS (1986) by William Poundstone, page 24. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From OE3 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 24 15:55:25 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:55:25 EDT Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/98 9:07:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, abrevard at SHL.COM writes: << Lyrically, I pay little attention to BOC, >> because of their wigged-out lyrics, they are, without a doubt, one of the most curious acts in rock & roll. i couldn't imaginos NOT examining & dissecting their lyrics. to each his own, i guess. eddiespice From OE3 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 24 18:14:10 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:14:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/98 6:43:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << I swear I'm not trying to start trouble here, but don't you think my usage of a few dirty words is being taken WAY too seriously? It's just my opinion, and that's the terminology I chose. No specific reason, no truly destructive malice intended. Just kinda the way I talk. If we were having this conversation face-to-face, you wouldn't have been offended. >> i second this guy. on-line discourse, at least in this forum, is WAY too steeped in wishy-washy, tiptoe-through-the-tulips, insecure b.s. come on, if someone is expressing a thought, idea, review, well of course it's THEIR opinion--they wrote it! i like reading everyone's thoughts and interpretations on the boc-l, but prefacing each & every sentence with disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. get on with it, I CAN TAKE IT!! till next time... oe3 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 24 18:44:43 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:44:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, OE3 wrote: > i second this guy. on-line discourse, at least in this forum, is WAY too > steeped in wishy-washy, tiptoe-through-the-tulips, insecure b.s. come on, if > someone is expressing a thought, idea, review, well of course it's THEIR > opinion--they wrote it! i like reading everyone's thoughts and > interpretations on the boc-l, but prefacing each & every sentence with > disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say > so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. > get on with it, I CAN TAKE IT!! Yeah, but that's what a poxy asshole like you would say, isn't it? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Dose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 24 18:48:08 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:48:08 -0400 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, William Fuller wrote: > This is an urban legend that has been going around for years. The original > version has the food as "Red Velvet Cake," the amount of the bill as $300, > and the location as the Waldorf-Astoria hotel. Otherwise, the story > is exactly the same. Check out the entry in the book BIGGER SECRETS (1986) > by William Poundstone, page 24. Alternatively, check out the WWW site http://www.urbanlegends.com/. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Derek and the Dominos, _The Layla Sessions: Alternate Masters, Jams and Outtakes_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Apr 24 19:18:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:18:04 +0200 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: Oh dear! Time to ditch the civil mailing list netiquette and go Usenet, folks! shit, fuck, crap, asshole etc. etc. etc. lovely, Chr. > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, OE3 wrote: > > > i second this guy. on-line discourse, at least in this forum, is WAY too > > steeped in wishy-washy, tiptoe-through-the-tulips, insecure b.s. come on, if > > someone is expressing a thought, idea, review, well of course it's THEIR > > opinion--they wrote it! i like reading everyone's thoughts and > > interpretations on the boc-l, but prefacing each & every sentence with > > disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say > > so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. > > get on with it, I CAN TAKE IT!! > > Yeah, but that's what a poxy asshole like you would say, isn't it? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Govt. Mule, _Dose_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 24 22:30:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:30:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Is Imaginos really that good? Message-ID: On fre 24 apr 1998 12.09 -0700 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > I cannot in good faith accept this statement unless it read "this might > be the first BOC album since Secret Treaties that acheives that." > Imaginos, not as guilty as say Club Ninja, but guilty nonetheless. > OK feel free to drop napalm on me now... Boom! Cheers, Carl ps - I love the smell of Imaginos in the morning. It smells like ... ... something's coming this way ... it's ... it's ... (it's ...) It 's the siege and investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's castle at Weissaria. pps - or possibly a foreign mirror (taken from the jungle by *crime*!) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 24 22:38:10 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:38:10 +1000 Subject: Off: Tape Project Message-ID: >I just hope the Setlist Master does not partake in this project. Won't >reveal his identiy but he is a lurker on this list with a twisted sense >of humor. He's likely to take some gawd awful band like Loudness and >make you fall in love with them. Half of my meager collection of >complete catalogs is a direct result of listening to this guys comps so >be warned. > Hey! I have a friend just like that too! Bastard he is! AND dont forget our very own Sonique is a miny version too! AND I like Loudness, if anyone wants to send me a Loudness tape, the I won't stop them! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Apr 24 21:44:36 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:44:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: if i _MAY_, and of course its only my most humble opinion, begging in advance for everyone's forgiveness, a thousand pardons, etc., may is a very easy word to rhyme. just an observation, probably not it. right, i'll just shut up now, shall i? rj just joking. Andy C wrote: > > In "Vera Gemini" we have : > > "On the 24th of May > I'll gather up your reins" > > Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have > to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have > > "The Last days of May" > "Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) > "The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) > And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember > where and my copies at home. > > Any ideas ? > Andy C From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 24 23:05:11 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:05:11 +1000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: At 21:44 24/04/98 -0400, SPRAWL wrote: >if i _MAY_, and of course its only my most humble opinion, begging in >advance for everyone's forgiveness, a thousand pardons, etc., may is a >very easy word to rhyme. >just an observation, probably not it. >right, i'll just shut up now, shall i? YEAH! SHUT UP! (But I agree, it has to be more than just the rhyme thing) > >rj > >just joking. ME TOO! : D Troy > >Andy C wrote: >> >> In "Vera Gemini" we have : >> >> "On the 24th of May >> I'll gather up your reins" >> >> Why the 24th of May and what fascination does May have >> to the Oyster boys ? I mean we have >> >> "The Last days of May" >> "Like silver scrapes in May" (Astronomy) >> "The 24th of May" (Vera Gemini) >> And there is a mention of May on "Heaven Forbid" but I can't remember >> where and my copies at home. >> >> Any ideas ? >> Andy C > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 24 23:16:33 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:16:33 +1000 Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! Message-ID: Hey Guys! NO FAIR! Too many good B?C reviews! It makes being in this part of the world miserable! No B?C and they are kikkin butt live! We have come to a semi solution tho, some friends and I are contemplating coming over for a visit/take in a B?C gig..... The question is whether or not they have *on average* had many cancellations these days.....is it worth the risk? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Apr 24 23:19:17 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:19:17 +1000 Subject: BOC:Baltimore Message-ID: At 16:54 24/04/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: .....in relation to his opinion on HF.... > >One thing that I have not seen anyone dare to mention is............. > > WHAT!?!?!? C'mon man, out with it! What is it? Not enough Eric? Too short? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Apr 24 22:18:48 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:18:48 EDT Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! Message-ID: Troy, Once the gigs are posted, there is hardly any cancellations. The only cancellation to speak of last year was the Chicago show. Funny that that Chicago is selling the most for Heaven Forbid! If you visit, try to hit to come in the middle of the week when the boys will play a few gigs within driving distance. This past weekend, some of us saw them three times in three days. And for a few lucky souls, we saw Buck in the radio station and members of the BDB with THFTR at the BBQ, which translated into five shows in three days! chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Apr 24 23:42:42 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:42:42 -0400 Subject: Off: Tape Project Message-ID: AB says... >I'm still undecided on the project for a couple of reasons. I have >maybe 200 cd's but most of these are the same artist (complete Triumph >catalog, KX, BOC etc.) so there is little in the way of different bands >to choose from. > >While everyone knows I'm nuts about KX and Sav I'm not currently >considering either. Flipping a coin between an all Galactic Cowboys or >all Saigon Kick or 50/50 both, (though the styles are universes apart.) Well, this is completely opposite of what I was planning, although I suppose that it's really up to each person to decide what he or she wants to do. But I was fully ready to make a compilation of single tracks from a zillion artists in all sorts of different styles (and countries). Of course, I've got over 1000 CDs, more than half of which the average person on the street would consider 'obscure.' But maybe it would be better to reduce the number of bands, and then put at least two tracks by each. Maybe you can't fully judge a band by a single song, but then so many samplers (like those from various labels, e.g., the EBS and Delerium ones) pretty much stick to one song per artist. So, what would people rather have...more bands/fewer songs or fewer bands/more songs??? Also, I wasn't planning on divulging the names of the artists on boc-l before making my tape! I thought Seinfeldian secrecy was the order of business. :) >This leads to another question, is it fair to load up a tape that >someone in the ring may fall in love with just to find out they can't >get their hands on the bands material? Sure, why not?? Create the demand, and then maybe reissues will appear. That may sound facetious, but every little bit counts, right?? On another note, it seems as though noone's really sure how many tapes are going to be trading hands. Andy's ready to set up the single 1 for 1 swap in a sort of 'Secret Santa' scenario, but then others seem to want more. My idea is that once the lists of songs & artists are divulged to the recipients (via public BOC-L posting??), then maybe others who search through these lists can contact the various people via private e-mail to work out their own swaps. Of course, each person would indicate somewhere whether they were willing/interested in further trading beyond the initial phase. Also, perhaps some very brief description of what sort of things were on each tape would be needed, particularly for more obscure artists. Personally, I was planning to create six different subsegments (of roughly 15 min. each) on my tape, including 'dark' music, spacey stuff, power chord stuff, etc. Does that seem reasonable to anyone?? Keith H. (FAA) ObCDs: censored (I cannot divulge this information at this time.) P.S. Can anyone tell me how to buy a goddamn CD player that only has a single tray!! (Are there any reputable online/mail order electronics sales in the US?) This planned obsolescence in the electronics industry is really pissing me off. Maybe I should buy five of them to last me for the rest of my life. Why does anyone (save a DJ) need to put more than one CD into a home player at one time?? You can only listen to one at a time, right??? (When they come up with one that holds >1,000, then maybe I'll buy one of those and put my whole collection in there. But until then....) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 25 00:44:31 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:44:31 EDT Subject: BOC: Real World etc. Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-24 04:33:32 EDT, you write: << Someone really kicked my ass for not liking Real World. That's okay. I simply don't care much for it. It's not that I don't like acoustic. I love Jethro Tull and I even dig stuff like Allman Bros. and America. And Motorhead has done some fantastic things with unplugged guitars in this decade. But acoustic just isn't a direction I ever saw BOC going in...and if anyone ever told me they would, I would expect far more original and unique playing. You don't have to diss me for not wanting this kind of material from the Cult. How would YOU react if they'd done Power Underneath DISpair as a hip-hop track? The subject matter certainly lends itself to the gangsta universe, after all. >> Well, first off, I was trying to be clear that I wasn't doing anything more than taking issue with some terminology...I didn't mean to come across as attacking you or anything, and I'm sorry if my message gave that impression. Also, I'm glad to hear you are open to acoustic music...I'm a big fan of Jethro Tull myself. :-) But (re: your example), at the same time, I would have loved to have heard even more diversity from the band... Actually, to make a similar comparison, I'm one of the few people who didn't despise Tull's Under Wraps album because it was all electronic and Tull's "not supposed to be electronic." Which isn't to say there weren't OTHER reasons to dislike that album...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 25 01:01:02 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:01:02 EDT Subject: BOC: SYIB details... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-24 05:59:22 EDT, you write: << > The music is disappointingly simple (except for the soloing). Could you take me gently through the time signatures, then? My brain just isn't up to it any more! There's a bit in 3, then an extra beat, then the main verse, but I suspect that something else slightly tricky happens too. - Mike Godwin >> Yes, See You in Black is an odd mixture of simplicity and complexity. After the first short riff, they launch into a pattern in 11/8 (or 11/4, if you prefer), then the verses are in alternating measures of 4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in straight 4/4. The 11/8 pattern is repeated a few more times in the song as well. Power Underneath Despair also features alternating measures of 4/4 and 7/8, but in the chorus (and counted very slowly). The funny thing is, BOC has almost never experimented in more complex musical techniques like this...but, once they establish these patterns, they repeat them mercilessly, and (for some) ad nauseum... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 25 01:21:43 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:21:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-24 18:15:33 EDT, you write: << prefacing each & every sentence with disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. >> Well, I'm certainly no fan of anything that smacks of political correctness and generally wishy-washiness myself...but, on the other hand, I'm all over "extreme semantic dissection".... Forgive me...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 25 01:24:47 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:24:47 EDT Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-24 09:43:57 EDT, you write: << I swear I'm not trying to start trouble here, but don't you think my usage of a few dirty words is being taken WAY too seriously? It's just my opinion, and that's the terminology I chose. No specific reason, no truly destructive malice intended. Just kinda the way I talk. If we were having this conversation face-to-face, you wouldn't have been offended. >> Well, I wasn't offended anyway...as another poster pointed out, I was just being particular about terminology....my weakness, I'm afraid! :-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 25 01:36:31 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:36:31 EDT Subject: Lyrics To Cagey Cretins/Ted A is Doooomeddd....... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-24 12:07:19 EDT, you write: << Lyrics are rather bizzare and Eric does not ennunciate well so I don't know what all the words are. Eric only sings the verses on Cagey Cretins, Albert sings the choruses...(well, I suppose it might be Joe, but I don't think so)... SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 24 13:09:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:09:26 +0100 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >This is a well-known urban legend/chain letter that does the rounds on >e-mail. I've not yet seen a variant in which Craig Shergold >inadvertently buys the cookie recipe, but give it time... :-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. This has now been pointed out on the Moorcock list too. Although it was from Mike himself, I have fallen into grevious error and am profoundly ashamed. :( -- Jon From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 25 05:56:34 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:56:34 +0200 Subject: HW : Moorcock biscuits Message-ID: > Although it was from Mike himself, I have fallen into grevious error and > am profoundly ashamed. :( > -- > Jon Nah. Don't blame yourself, its just everyone else who's crazy. Chr. From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 25 11:27:43 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:27:43 -0400 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: What is the exact translation of the latin phrases (Messis Ex Vita, Messis Ex Morte) from the cover of Cult Classic? (and before someone mentions, I *did* look in the FAQ (2.1)) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Apr 25 12:55:00 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:55:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Europe tour Message-ID: Hi folks Here are the (known) dates of the forthcomming HAWKWIND tour: 15.05.1998, Vosselaar, Biebob (Belgium) 16.05.1998, Bissegem, De Kreon (Belgium) 17.05.1998, Tilburg, Noorderligt (Holland) 22.05.1998, Zoetemer, ??? (Holland) I'll go to Vosselaar and Tilburg (both cities are about 160 KM from my hometown) cheers Bernhard From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Sat Apr 25 13:01:38 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:01:38 -0700 Subject: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: "Space Rock Pioneers to become kinder, gentler, and tubbier" Laughed my arse off at this, since my 4 year old has just discovered the Teletubbies... Regards Steven Davies-Morris Please note my new email address sdavmor at mcione.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 25 13:46:18 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:46:18 +0200 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: "my life's a mess, and my death will be messier" obviously, Chr. > (Messis Ex Vita, Messis Ex Morte) > > from the cover of Cult Classic? > > (and before someone mentions, I *did* look > in the FAQ (2.1)) > > > +---------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension > Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension > Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention > aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. > +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Apr 25 15:57:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:57:38 +0100 Subject: Cult Classic In-Reply-To: <199804251750.TAA05260@online.no> Message-ID: > "my life's a mess, and my death will be messier" > > obviously, Well, that *is* obvious, Chris, but it's not a translation! :) Harvest of life, harvest of death, innit. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Apr 25 15:58:19 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:58:19 +0200 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: > > "my life's a mess, and my death will be messier" > > > > obviously, > > Well, that *is* obvious, Chris, but it's not a translation! :) > > Harvest of life, harvest of death, innit. > > - Andy Yeah, well at least I *tried* didn't I?? :) Rupert Pupkin From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Apr 25 20:13:12 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:13:12 +0100 Subject: HW: singles comp In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > on Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:10 +0100, M Holmes wrote: > > >reset3xKO writes: > > > >> 451942 HAWKWIND-SINGLE'S A'S & B'S 1970-1980 $19.95 > >> 1998 compilation on Repertoire featuring 20 of the space rock act's > >> best from this period. > >> Found the above posted in alt.music.spacerock availible from THe Artist's > >> Shop... curious if there are any odd mixes etc. that are still vinyl only > >> that may be on here? Anyone? Either way it will be a nice package knowing > >> Reportoire. > > > >The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > > > >D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 > >Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha > >PXR5 : the edited version on the 25 Years single > > > >That's about it I believe. > > Does this mean that 'Stasis' and the 'XISOS' remaster have different > versions of "Silver Machine"? (if so, which one corresponds to which > inner-groove etching? ... I know, I should just check to Codex but I'm > feeling lazy today.) Both contain the straightforward version 3 (see below). It's all becoming a bit dim and distant now but I think the A2 inner groove numbering (which I still haven't found yet!) refers to the 1976 reproduction where very slight changes were made to the intro. > What CD is the single version of "Psi Power" on? (as below) Hawklords, Spirit of the Age (Charisma), Tales from Atom Henge, the 25 Years On 4-CD set and the singles all use Version 1 of the track although I admit that the singles are all edited versions, so if this album really does contain an edited single version with a large chunk lopped out of the middle and you really, really can't live without it....... 8-) jill from the Codex: Psi Power 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 12" 1 a Repeat Performance 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" 1 b Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" L 2 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 3 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Night Of The Hawk {Psychic Power} L 3 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 4 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is an edit of 1a * The US 7" contains both the long and short single edits Silver Machine L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Glastonbury Fayre L 2 Assassins of Allah LP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] 3 X In Search Of Space [Spanish album and remastered CD only] 3 Doremifasolatido [Japanese album only] 3 US double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [Dutch 1989] 3 Stasis 3 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 a Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [German 1975] ? 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 5 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 6 Early Daze L 6 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin ?L 6 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 7 Live '79 L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 9 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 9 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 9 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 9 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 9 Ironstrike L 9 British Tribal Music L 9 Castle Masters Collection L 9 Night Riding L 9 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 9 The Early Years Live EP L 9 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 9 Acid Daze Vol. III CD L 9 The Hawkwind Collection L 9 Best of Hawkwind CD L 9 Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 9 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 9 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] {Silver Machine live} L 9 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] 10 Choose Your Masques 10 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [long version] 10 a Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [short version] 10 a Choose Your Masques [CD only] L 11 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 11 Assassins of Allah LP L 11 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 12 Live At Reading '86 L 13 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} L 14 Nova Drive [bootleg CD] L 15 The A Files [Bootleg CD] L 16 Love In Space * Version 2 was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 and not at Glastonbury. * Version 3 was mixed from version 2 at Rockfield. * Version 3a was remixed from 3 for the Roadhawks album by overlapping the end of the Shouldn't Do That track from the Space Ritual encore with the start of the version 3 single. * Version 4a is a remix from version 4 * Version 7 stops with an explosion soon after the track begins * The 10th anniversary 7" EP contained both the version from the Choose Your Masques album, and a shorter edited version. The CD of Choose Your Masques had the full three tracks from the 10th Anniversary EP and thus contained the full version twice. The EP was also released as a pic disk with the covers from Warrior On The Edge of Time and Doremifasolatido. * Two versions of Silver Machine on Assassins of Allah LP and three versions on Dawn of Hawkwind CD ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Apr 25 20:31:44 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:31:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams In-Reply-To: Walrus's message of Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: Walrus writes: > i just discoevered that dave brock has a couple of solo cd's out, the > latest of which is something about pipe dreams.. anyway, what are they > like? worth checking out? hawkwindy? Not particularly Hawkwind. Brock has a kind of individual style which I personally find somewhat monotonous when he hasn't got the rest of the band surrounding him. Earthed to the Ground and Agents of Chaos (which isn't strictly a solo album I guess) were enjoyable. Pipe Dreams has some good tracks and some re-hashed (as it were) ones, and some bad ones. Overall, if you haven't got any Brock solos it's worth buying - the cover art and packaging alone are stunning enough just to keep on display to impress folk - but if you are new to Hawkwind it might not appeal that much to you musically. > wal > > ps. also what about anubian nights? Different - Nik Turner and companions in Industrial Rock Music mode. I quite like it but it's fairly sonorous and serious and occasionally wierd. I must give it another listen - haven't played it for a while now! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Apr 26 02:14:08 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:14:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just noticed on Jim Lascko's site that Strange Daze '98 has been moved from New York state to Ohio!! It will be at Nelson Ledges, which is somewhere near Parkman, Ohio if my memory serves correctly. I lived in Painesville, Ohio for four years and must have driven through Parkman (a *very* small town) 30 times on my way to Pennsylvania (my original home state), but I've never been to Nelson Ledges. One of those things where you don't visit the places so near to you while you're there. Actually, now that I think back more, I remember seeing a large outdoor facility near the Nelson Ledges area right on Rte. 422, a place where concerts were sometimes held. Maybe that's where it will be, as opposed to the state park proper. I'm sure our resident Cleveland locals can tell us more. Anyway, it means two less hours driving for me, and two more for those in Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., etc. Hey, but what's two hours more on top of 10 or 12, right?? See ya' there! Keith H. (FAA) From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 07:43:40 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 04:43:40 PDT Subject: OFF: Tape Project Message-ID: Hi Kids! OK, I have been keeping an eye on the tape project idea and you may count me in. I have a quick question however..... Is there some kind of rule about tape QUALITY for this thing? I mean, not to get too picky, but I can remember too many times I have been involved in a long distance tape trade and have sent the other guy an excellent quality tape (a type II) and then when my prize appears in my mailbox it is on some god awful sounding tape that looks like it came in one of those "3 for $.99" K-mart special packs, and has also been recorded over several 100 times by his little brother. Of course, I will take what I get, but it would be a shame to go through all this to turn people on to new music and then have it get tossed in the trash after only one agonizing listen. Still not sure what bands I am going to toss out there. This could get VERY strange and miles away from BOC and Hawkwind, or it may end up being something very mainstream, who can say. I have to be honest here, I *DID* toy with the idea of a RUSH comp, but just my luck it would go to someone who liked it. I mean, where the hell is the fun in THAT? :^D Off to sift through some piles of old vinyl. This one could be a scratchy son of a bitch............. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Apr 26 08:52:46 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:52:46 +0200 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: Troy writes: At 16:54 24/04/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: .....in relation to his opinion on HF.... > >One thing that I have not seen anyone dare to mention is............. > > WHAT!?!?!? C'mon man, out with it! What is it? Not enough Eric? Too short? .......... to continue my line of thought.... is this better that the Brain Surgeons? Anyone care to compare? Do you think that Al has listened to the new BOC yet? I wonder what he thinks of the acoustic version of In Thee....?? I did not want to open the Pandora's box, but Troy he forced me into... scott ObCD- Five Fifteen- Psychedelic singalongs for Stadiums (Finland 1997) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 26 10:22:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:22:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams Message-ID: On s?n 26 apr 1998 01.31 +0100 "J Strobridge" wrote: > Different - Nik Turner and companions in Industrial Rock Music mode. I > quite like it but it's fairly sonorous and serious and occasionally > wierd. I must give it another listen - haven't played it for a > while now! It seems ambientish to me, tho I don't know much about "ambient" as a genre. I like it though. Rather better than HW's forays into the field, actually. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Apr 26 10:34:51 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:34:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams Message-ID: As an ambient, or any, album, Anubian Lights is rather excellent :) Yes, far better than Hawkwind's aimless twiddling in the area (Strange Trips & Piepe Dreams, Its The Business, Psychedelic Warriors). Has a nice mystical element too. In my *most* humble opinion, of course... Chr. > It seems ambientish to me, tho I don't know much about "ambient" as a genre. I like it though. Rather better than HW's forays into the field, actually. > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Apr 26 12:12:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:12:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Project In-Reply-To: <19980426114340.21056.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Torgo asked > Is there some kind of rule about tape QUALITY for this thing? Not really, except I don't think anyone should send something they'd be ashamed of. If it's really crummy, you can always pillory them on the list... :) But we have to remember that everybody's budget isn't the same. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From adawson at CLARA.NET Sun Apr 26 14:26:40 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:26:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Repertoire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:59 24/04/98 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Just got back to Oz (phew!), and haven't read my mail yet so this may be old >news .... seems like repertoire have done a HW comp. All I know about it is >as follows. Anyone seen it? > >REPERTOIRE RR 4676 >HAWKWIND - SINGLE'S A'S & B'S > THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION! 20 GREATEST HIT > >Soniqu? Just found this on the Key Mail Order web site http://www.keymailorder.com/ The write up is as follows HAWKWIND Singles As & Bs - 1970-1980 CD RR4676 20 track compilation fts many rare tracks including a live version of Urban Guerilla Available in the U.K from 5th May priced 7.99 UK pounds Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Apr 26 16:24:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:24:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fun Manchu etc in London Message-ID: I see that Fu Manchu are at the LA2 on June 4... can't say I was bowled over by them when I saw them last year (or maybe the year before) but I know they're popular... also the Beastie Boys at the Academy, June 23/24... now there's a possibility! But the bummer is the Mutton Birds clash with the Blue Oyster Cult! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 26 17:58:54 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:58:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Fun Manchu etc in London Message-ID: On s?n 26 apr 1998 21.24 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > I see that Fu Manchu are at the LA2 on June 4... can't say I was bowled > over by them when I saw them last year (or maybe the year before) but I know > they're popular... Actually, I read an interview with their singer/main-man in which the interviewer mentioned they didn't seem to be in the best form at that gig and wondered whether that was due to the tensions that resulted in the ensuing line-up changes. The singer sheepishly agreed that it was and said he had hoped it hadn't been showing, but obviously no such luck ;) They _were_ better when I saw them with the new lineup, though I still think the Spiritual Beggars blew them away :) The review I read of _that_ gig (in Kerrap!) actually complained that Fu Manchu didn't play "Godzilla", which the crowd kept shouting for! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 26 17:45:51 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:45:51 PDT Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: >Anyway, it means two less hours driving for me, and two more for those in >Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., etc. Hey, but what's two >hours more on top of 10 or 12, right?? > >See ya' there! Keith H. (FAA) Fuck you! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Sun Apr 26 18:19:51 1998 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Mondello1) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:19:51 EDT Subject: Chrome Tour Dates? Message-ID: Sorry to other the list with this, but if anybody remembers the URL for the Chrome US tour that was posted awhile back... I'd really appreciate it if you could email it to me (lost it - uggh). Thanks Steve Defoe mondello1 at aol.com From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Apr 26 22:40:35 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:40:35 +1000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: At 14:52 26/04/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: >Troy writes: > > >At 16:54 24/04/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: >.....in relation to his opinion on HF.... >> >>One thing that I have not seen anyone dare to mention is............. >> >> > > WHAT!?!?!? > C'mon man, out with it! > What is it? Not enough Eric? Too short? > >.......... to continue my line of thought.... > > >is this better that the Brain Surgeons? Anyone care to compare? Do you >think that Al has listened to the new BOC yet? I wonder what he thinks of >the acoustic version of In Thee....?? > > >I did not want to open the Pandora's box, but Troy he forced me into.. Yes, the unspoken rule of the list...it is deathly silent on this issue isnt it? I wonder who will have the balls to say that the current B?C makes the tBS look rather pedestrian.....not me, that is for sure! But I do have a *theory* as to why this is. First of all, this list is very pro-AB. Let's be honest. The reasons are obvious, he is a member here, and a very good bloke. We don't compare tBS with B?C because it is a different kettle of fish. B?C have the name and the funds. tBS are self-employed (to coin a phrase) in some degree, and market themselves etc. The style of the two bands are entirely different too. Most people on this list seem to rue the loss of the Bouchards even to this day. I don't see the reasoning anymore. It is ancient history. The Bouchards do their own thing now and don't need to be compared to their old gig. B?C also do their own thing. But the real reason no one compares is they don't want flames.......we have a sacred cow... So I wont bring it up! : ) Troy > > >scott > >ObCD- Five Fifteen- Psychedelic singalongs for Stadiums (Finland 1997) > >R. Scott Heller PhD >Hagedorn Research Institute >Niels Steensensvej 6 >DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark >(45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone >(45) 44 43 80 00 Fax >shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk >Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Apr 26 22:44:34 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:44:34 +1000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: At 14:45 26/04/98 PDT, antisol _8 wrote: >>Anyway, it means two less hours driving for me, and two more for those >in >>Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., etc. Hey, but what's >two >>hours more on top of 10 or 12, right?? >> >>See ya' there! Keith H. (FAA) > >Fuck you! Who was this genius? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Apr 26 22:07:56 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:07:56 EDT Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-26 17:48:59 EDT, you write: >>Anyway, it means two less hours driving for me, and two more for those >in >>Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., etc. Hey, but what's >two >>hours more on top of 10 or 12, right?? >> >>See ya' there! Keith H. (FAA) > >Fuck you! > > > WTF? From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Apr 26 22:10:01 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:10:01 EDT Subject: Chrome Tour Dates? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-26 18:21:38 EDT, you write: >but if anybody remembers the URL for the Chrome US tour that was posted >awhile >back... I'd really appreciate it if you could email it to me (lost it - >uggh). > >Thanks >Steve Defoe >mondello1 at aol.com you can get the Chrome tour dates at: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html the Bevis Frond Tour dates there also bob From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Apr 27 01:02:31 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:02:31 EDT Subject: BOC: COmIX, BOC, Rush Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-21 03:46:33 EDT, you write: << > It was the subliminal programming inserted in the BOC issues of > Defenders in > the seventies. The earlier issue, which David Kraft dedicated to Rush, was happily less effective! >> Worked on me, though...I got into both Rush and BOC thanks to Kraft dedicating those comics to them...:-) Hmmm, I wonder why I never followed Doug Moench's recommendation and tried Fleetwood Mac... SET From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Apr 27 03:13:19 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:13:19 +0200 Subject: BOC: COmIX, BOC, Rush Message-ID: right Steven! go to http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/assassins.html - nyak, nyak, nyak. Crank the sound up if you are using Internet Explorer, for full subliminal fx. Chr. > Worked on me, though...I got into both Rush and BOC thanks to Kraft dedicating > those comics to them...:-) Hmmm, I wonder why I never followed Doug Moench's > recommendation and tried Fleetwood Mac... > > SET From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 27 03:45:58 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:45:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:12:46 BST." <000001bd712e$26c941c0$b23f63c3@default> Message-ID: > Torgo asked > > > Is there some kind of rule about tape QUALITY for this thing? > > Not really, except I don't think anyone should send something they'd be > ashamed of. If it's really crummy, you can always pillory them on the > list... :) But we have to remember that everybody's budget isn't the same. As long as its chrome not ferric, it all becomes much of a muchness in my experience. Boots' own :) super chrome C100s stand up against practically any TDK variants I've used. BTW, howbout extending this project over to irock ? I'm sure there's a few people over there itching to get in on this ... Tim From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 27 01:12:12 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:12:12 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: > is this better that the Brain Surgeons? Anyone care to compare? God help me, I'm taking the plunge: I like the Brain Surgeons, but I like the new BOC a lot better. I think SYIB, HM and Damaged are better than anything the Surgeons have done, although My Civilization and Hansel & Gretel seriously kick a certain part of the anatomy which shall remain nameless out of respect for the more squeamish readers out there. -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 06:27:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:27:48 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 12.40 +1000 "Troy Harris" wrote: > We don't compare tBS with B?C because it is a different kettle of fish. > But the real reason no one compares is they don't want flames.......we > have a sacred cow... Well, I've not heard the current BOC album yet, so I can't really compare. If I end up liking like the new BOC better than the last tBS I will certainly say so--let's leave the fanboy stuff for other forums :) --but I can't say anything yet! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 05:56:33 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:56:33 +0100 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > >> 451942 HAWKWIND-SINGLE'S A'S & B'S 1970-1980 $19.95 > >> 1998 compilation on Repertoire featuring 20 of the space rock act's > >> best from this period. > >> Found the above posted in alt.music.spacerock availible from THe Artist's > >> Shop... curious if there are any odd mixes etc. that are still vinyl only > >> that may be on here? Anyone? Either way it will be a nice package knowing > >> Reportoire. > >The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > >D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 > >Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha > >PXR5 : the edited version on the 25 Years single > Does this mean that 'Stasis' and the 'XISOS' remaster have different > versions of "Silver Machine"? (if so, which one corresponds to which > inner-groove etching? ... I know, I should just check to Codex but I'm > feeling lazy today.) Stasis has the 1972/1978/1983 release, as does the Best of Psychedelic Warlords and the 25 Years on 4-CD set. It looks like the 1976 release only appears on Roadhawks which of course isn't on CD. > What CD is the single version of "Psi Power" on? It's on Repeat Performance, though there is an even shorter version on the US Psi Power/Psi Power mono/stereo 7" which isn't on any CDs. > > Thanks, > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com FoFP From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Apr 27 09:30:50 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:30:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: Hello Folks! Strange Daze '98 U.S. SpaceRock Festival is still scheduled for August 14, 15, and 16 but we moved it to a place called Nelson Ledges Quarry Park in Garretsville, Ohio. It's a little northwest of Youngstown, Ohio. Plenty of shaded campsites and a scenic, 35 acre quarry lake to frolic and swim in. Hawkwind will be there plus many other top SpaceRock Bands from around the U.S! Hawkwind - England Pressurehed - California F/i - Wisconsin Born to Go - New Jersey Architectural Metaphor - Massachusetts Alien Planetscapes - New York City Nash the Slash - Canada Quarkspace - Ohio Nucleon - Ohio ST37 - Texas Drumplay - Ohio Thom the World Poet - Emcee- Texas The Solar Fire Psychedelic Lightshow 2 more bands to be announced! Psychedelic Lightshows - Crafts - Food - Bonfires w/ Drum Circles each night. See the Strange Trips Website for updates - plus a review of last year's SD'97: Ticket info - 216-252-6148 or Gates will open 9am Friday, August 14 - music starts at 12 noon and will go to12am. Saturday, August 15 - music starts at 12 noon and will go to12 am. Sunday, August 16 - Festival is over Sunday evening at 7pm - time to go home! *SAVE MONEY BY BUYING ADVANCE MAIL ORDER TICKETS* Mail order tickets will go on sale June-1st and remain on sale until July-31st. Band schedules w/ directions & the latest information will be mailed out with the tickets. Tickets are $40 advance mail order......... $50 at the gate. Includes 3 days - 2 nights camping - Bring warm clothes - Food - Grills - Coolers - etc. Children under 12 Admitted Free - Friendly Dogs Allowed on Leashes NO! - FIREARMS - NO! - FIREWORKS - NO! - GLASS BOTTLES - NO! Send ticket orders to (check or M.O.'s made out to): STRANGE TRIPS 4485 W.130 CLEVELAND, OHIO 44135 (216) 252-6148 ************ DO NOT SEND MAIL ORDERS AFTER JULY 31st ************ Last year was a great time and everyone enjoyed themselves immensely. This year promises to be even better! Help us to plan for you and SAVE MONEY by buying your tickets in advance! Calling All Space Brothers & Sisters! - Help Spread the Word....Turn a Friend On. Thanks! Jim Lascko PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Cool 12 bands in three days, that should allow a little freedom in the setlists. ;-) -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 10:24:22 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:24:22 -0400 Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! Message-ID: >Funny that that Chicago is selling the most for Heaven Forbid! How do you know this? Do you have access to how sales of HF are going across the country? If so, I'd be very interested to hear more about this! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 10:27:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:27:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: << prefacing each & every sentence with disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. >> I call it "respect" myself. If others see any attempts I make at being polite as somehow weak, well... FUCK 'EM! ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 10:32:07 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:32:07 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: >is this better that the Brain Surgeons? Anyone care to compare? Do you think that Al has listened to the new BOC yet? I wonder what he thinks of the acoustic version of In Thee....?? NOPE, I don't care to compare. Hey, I don't listen to tBS and compare it with Al's old work, so why should I now listen to the new BOC and compare it with tBS? To me, they are distinctly different bands, and I like them both. I WOULD be curious to know if Al had heard the new BOC, but my suspicion is that while he might have opinions on the product, he'd much rather talk about the next tBS album (hint hint Al!). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 10:38:30 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: > But the real reason no one compares is they don't want flames.......we have a sacred cow... Bullshit (pun, and strong language intended). There is no reason to compare. Do we sit here and compare BOC's output to Hawkwind's? Of course not. So, other than the fact that 3/5ths of the current BOC used to gig with 1/5 of the current tBS, the two bands are entirely seperate. Enjoy them both for the different musical textures they provide. Do you compare the taste of a fine beer to the taste of a fine piece of cake. How about a ride on a motorcycle to the ride of a limo? Chinese food to pizza? Sex with bowling? (o.k., that last one was just a joke). I mean, if either Al played on the current BOC album, or Buck played on the last tBS album, there might be some basis for comparison - but as it stands today, there is not commonality between the two bands. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 10:44:17 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:44:17 +0100 Subject: BOC review in MOJO In-Reply-To: <199804271432.KAA09134@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: The latest issue of MOJO carries a short review of HF, and highly favourable it is too. If I can remember to bring it in to work tomorrow, I'll post it up here. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 11:51:51 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:51:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: > << prefacing each & every sentence with > disclaimers such as "i think...", "in my humble opinion...", and "if i do say > so..." reeks of insecurity. same goes for extreme semantic dissection. >> > > I call it "respect" myself. If others see any attempts I make at being > polite as somehow weak, well... FUCK 'EM! ;-) Well, thus I use IMO instead of IMHO. I have opinions and am happy to note them as such. They are not, however, humble ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 11:53:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:53:44 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 10.32 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > I WOULD be curious to know if Al had heard the new BOC, but my > suspicion is that while he might have opinions on the product, he'd much > rather talk about the next tBS album (hint hint Al!). Seconded :) _Malpractice_ ruled, but it was mostly bringing together pre-existing material. Which means that, in theory, there should have been plenty of time to come up with more. I would not weep if details started to be leaked :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Apr 27 11:19:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:19:18 -0400 Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: <199804271438.KAA10698@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >I mean, if either Al played on the current BOC album, or Buck played on the >last tBS album, there might be some basis for comparison - but as it stands >today, there is not commonality between the two bands. > >John not that I really care ;-) but how about the old BOC songs (demos and released tracks) that tBS have played? Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Apr 27 11:19:29 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:19:29 -0400 Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! In-Reply-To: <199804271424.KAA07019@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>Funny that that >Chicago is selling the most for Heaven Forbid! > >How do you know this? Do you have access to how sales of HF are going >across the country? If so, I'd be very interested to hear more about this! > >John Eric Bloom mentioned this in a chat the other night on AOL Ted From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 27 07:32:29 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:32:29 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: John wrote: > Do you compare the taste > of a fine beer to the taste of a fine piece of cake. How about a ride on > a motorcycle to the ride of a limo? Chinese food to pizza? Sex with > bowling? (o.k., that last one was just a joke). > > I mean, if either Al played on the current BOC album, or Buck played on the > last tBS album, there might be some basis for comparison - but as it stands > today, there is not commonality between the two bands. Again, we get back to "opinion". It's opinion whether or not the two should be compared, and I say why not? For one thing, the argument that there is no commonality between the two bands is incredibly wrong (IM Not-So-Humble O). The two bands are both heavy rock bands. They both contain extremely important members, past and present, of BOC, and they share songwriters...including a few who were never actually part of BOC. Besides, if someone asked you whether you preferred beer or cake, would you freak out and say, "No way can I compare these two things...they are totally different and my assessment would be fair to neither the beer nor the cake!"? No offense, but I think that's a bit silly. As I am still the only person who's publicly cast a vote, let me do so again proudly: Brain Surgeons rock, but BOC RULES! -- Nick From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 27 10:24:32 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:24:32 -0400 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: >NOPE, I don't care to compare. Hey, I don't listen to tBS and compare it >with Al's old work, so why should I now listen to the new BOC and compare >it with tBS? To me, they are distinctly different bands, and I like them >both. I WOULD be curious to know if Al had heard the new BOC, but my >suspicion is that while he might have opinions on the product, he'd much >rather talk about the next tBS album (hint hint Al!). Okay, awhile back we had some analysis of first letter of BOC and tBS album names (e.g., BOC has anagram for "BOATS" on 1st 5, and first two tBS had "ET" (though my prediciton that their next album would start with "I" was not correct (Deb even went so far as to say it didn't start with "I" long before we knew what it was called).... tBS now has: "ETBM". Therefor I predict the next album will have a name starting with a vowel. Possibilities: "A" (eventually towards spelling out "Betamax") "I" or "E" (eventually towards spelling out "Bite Me") In bits and pieces we've gotten most of the rest of Imaginos, with "Overture" on BOH, "TGWLMB" on M*.... what would be the chances of a new version of 'Gil Blanco County' on the next one.... (my SFG tape is wearing out and at any rate I think it could be done much better (I haven't heard the version from Al's Immaginos))....... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Apr 27 12:12:27 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:12:27 +0100 Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: <19980427152156.AAA26268@[208.214.94.76]> Message-ID: > As I am still the only person who's publicly cast a vote, let me do > so again proudly: > > Brain Surgeons rock, but BOC RULES! > > -- Nick > Well, as far as direct comparisons go, _Career of Christmas_ was so much better than _Cult Classic_ it's embarrassing... - Andy ObCD: Badmarsh & Shri - _Dancing Drums_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 27 12:20:44 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:20:44 PDT Subject: Tape swap hullabaloo. #1 Problem Message-ID: One MASSIVE drawback with this tape-swap. Andy won't get one. AND he'll know what all the tracks are on all the cassettes, so even if he gets one by putting his own name in a hat, he'll be cheated and robbed of the surprise! We should hire one of those Arbitrary Bodies who mediate for companies and governments. ? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 12:29:06 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:29:06 +0100 Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: <000201bd71f7$4582c220$bc3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Well, as far as direct comparisons go, _Career of Christmas_ was so much > better than _Cult Classic_ it's embarrassing... Yeah, but most BOC is better than Cult Classic. DAve ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 12:30:52 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:30:52 -0400 Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! Message-ID: > Eric Bloom mentioned this in a chat the other night on AOL Cool - I missed it - any other significant details? John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Apr 27 12:30:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:30:17 +0100 Subject: Tape swap hullabaloo. #1 Problem In-Reply-To: <19980427162044.1537.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > One MASSIVE drawback with this tape-swap. > > Andy won't get one. AND he'll know what all the tracks are on all the > cassettes, so even if he gets one by putting his own name in a hat, > he'll be cheated and robbed of the surprise! > > We should hire one of those Arbitrary Bodies who mediate for companies > and governments. Nah, I don't get to see all the tapes in advance, I just put the names in a hat and say who sends what where. I'm in the hat too and won't cheat! :) All I'll know that no-one else does is just who I'm getting a tape from in advance. But it'll probably be someone I don't know well, and even if it is they'll probably still surprise me. Pity the poor fool who gets my tape if I'm in one of my French chick singer moods :))) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 12:33:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:33:34 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: >I mean, if either Al played on the current BOC album, or Buck played on the >last tBS album, there might be some basis for comparison - but as it stands >today, there is not commonality between the two bands. > >John not that I really care ;-) but how about the old BOC songs (demos and released tracks) that tBS have played? Well, yeah that is true. But I was talking in terms of the makeup and current material of the two bands. Yeah, tBS have done BOC covers, and I think it's fair to compare those. You can compare BOC's version of Cities on Flame with Ciudades y Navidades by tBS. But, how can you do something like compare See You in Black with St. Vitus Dance? John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Apr 27 12:34:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:34:21 +0100 Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Yeah, but most BOC is better than Cult Classic. And again, it's not a slag, but most BOC is better than _Heaven Forbid_, too :) All this proves is that this comparison stuff is a load of old cobblers!!! Who was it trying to stir something up, and why??? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 12:40:03 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:40:03 +0100 Subject: Tape swap hullabaloo. #1 Problem In-Reply-To: <19980427162044.1537.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > One MASSIVE drawback with this tape-swap. > > Andy won't get one. AND he'll know what all the tracks are on all the > cassettes, so even if he gets one by putting his own name in a hat, > he'll be cheated and robbed of the surprise! > ? > Chris. Chris - have to correct you there. It's only a MASSIVE drawback if you're Andy. Anyway, he's evil, yes he is, so serve him right I say! :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 13:43:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:43:07 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 17.12 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Well, as far as direct comparisons go, _Career of Christmas_ was so much > better than _Cult Classic_ it's embarrassing... I'm not so hot on the performance or recording of _CC_, but I still think its a decent collection--very handy when you're away from the bulk of your BOC albums :) (as is the 2CD Sony compilation). And as much as I'm not into the recording from a 1990s POV, the sound on some of the tracks _is_ much improved over the originals. That said, _Career of Christmas_ does blow it away :) The tBS "Baby Ice Dog" alone kicks all of _CC_'s butt! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 13:44:47 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:44:47 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 12.33 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > You can compare BOC's version of > Cities on Flame with Ciudades y Navidades by tBS. Sort of .... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 12:45:22 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:45:22 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: >Again, we get back to "opinion". It's opinion whether or not the two should be compared, and I say why not? Well, I told you my "opinion"... >For one thing, the argument that there is no commonality between the two bands is incredibly wrong (IM Not-So-Humble O). The two bands are both heavy rock bands. They both contain extremely important members, past and present, of BOC, and they share songwriters...including a few who were never actually part of BOC. The original thread had to do with comparing Heaven Forbid with tBS. I am sorry, but there are no ties. Yes, you could (perhaps) compare past BOC work with tBS since Albert was a common denominator in both - but Heaven Forbid has no such ties (yeah, In Thee was written when Al was still in the band, but that was a Lanier tune for one, and also I assume it is the NEW stuff you would want to compare anyway). And, the two no longer share songwriters. Sure, you can compare two heavy rock bands - BOC and Sabbath, Deep Purple and Van Halen, Ozzy and Kiss, etc. etc. etc. If that is your point, sure go on and compare BOC and tBS. My point is these are now two very distinct bands that are going their own seperate ways - and as such should be judged on their own merits, not on eachothers. >Besides, if someone asked you whether you preferred beer or cake, would you freak out and say, "No way can I compare these two things...they are totally different and my assessment would be fair to neither the beer nor the cake!"? No offense, but I think that's a bit silly. No offense taken. But my point is, if someone gave you a beer, would you think, "Hey, this is a good beer, but it doesn't have the sweetness of chocolate cake..." If you want to say, "Would you like to listen to tBS or BOC now, well, that is another matter..." >Brain Surgeons rock, but BOC RULES! I love 'em both. At the moment, I'm giving BOC much more time in the player these days, but I'm sure that will change in the future (probably when tBS 5 hits the streets, if not before). Musically, I like them both. On a sort of personal level, I will always have a special spot for BOC because they were one of the first bands I was in to. Yet, I've had the opportunity to meet tBS, and see them live from about 3 feet in smoky little clubs - something of a different experience than with BOC. I also like the fact that tBS has release 4 albums in the past 4 years, so I've got quite a collection of quality stuff to listen to. But the music, and the experiences are quite different. I can't say I really prefer one over the other in general - I might prefer one today and the other tomorrow. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 14:04:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:04:33 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 12.45 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > I can't say I really prefer one over the other in > general - I might prefer one today and the other tomorrow. That's why none of us have only one album of music in our collections :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 27 13:10:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:10:33 EDT Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: <1496395.3102687787@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On m?n 27 apr 1998 17.12 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > > Well, as far as direct comparisons go, _Career of Christmas_ was so much > > better than _Cult Classic_ it's embarrassing... > > I'm not so hot on the performance or recording of _CC_, but I still think its a decent collection--very handy when you're away from the bulk of your BOC albums :) (as is the 2CD Sony compilatio> > That said, _Career of Christmas_ does blow it away :) The tBS "Baby Ice Dog" alone kicks all of _CC_'s butt! > > -- Hmm...with the possible exception of Buck's Boogie. There ain't nothin' in the entire tBS oeuvre that smokes that song... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 27 13:17:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:17:27 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: >> I can't say I really prefer one over the other in > general - I might prefer one today and the other tomorrow. > That's why none of us have only one album of music in our collections :) BING!! We have a winner!!! John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 27 13:20:10 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:20:10 +0100 Subject: Tape swap hullabaloo. #1 Problem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:30:17 BST." <000401bd71f9$c32f6320$bc3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > All I'll know that no-one else does is just who I'm getting a tape from in > advance. But it'll probably be someone I don't know well, and even if it is > they'll probably still surprise me. > > Pity the poor fool who gets my tape if I'm in one of my French chick singer > moods :))) Oh, so Mlle Hardy is making the cut then ? I think we should worry more about good old Dwight being included ;-) Tim From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Apr 27 13:46:58 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:46:58 -0400 Subject: OFF: For Upstate NY BOC-Lers Message-ID: Just thought I'd let you all know that the sometime BOC-L off topic band, The Bevis Frond, is playing in Syracuse on May 1st. Should be a great show, from what I've heard. And Nick Solomon is an excellent guitar player. So make sure you check it out. Hungry Charlies ("Chucks") May 1st 8pm I can give directions if anyone's interested. Brian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 27 15:00:58 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:00:58 +0000 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com back up Message-ID: This may not be news, but I hadn't noticed ... anyway, the site appears to be back up! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Apr 27 14:31:12 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:31:12 -0400 Subject: BOC:Baltimore/too many scorchin' reviews! In-Reply-To: <199804271630.MAA09633@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >> >Eric Bloom mentioned this in a chat the other night on AOL > > >Cool - I missed it - any other significant details? > >John not really.... it was a real quick thing.... there was a mixup with CMC...they neglected to mention to Eric that he was supposed to do the chat! but when he saw it mentioned on the BOC board, he was kind enough to come looking for us and chat for a few minutes.... he did mention that they needed to get together and rehearse so that they could possibly work up some new songs for the setlist, but Buck was in Europe doing PR... maybe we'll find out more this weekend at the shows Ted From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 27 16:11:23 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:11:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Cool Sweat Message-ID: AB sez >Note to Ted - Sava tape is starting to cook. I talked to the Setlist >Master and he is intrigued by this. Knows and loves Sav. You my friend >are doomed to become a major fan, (SETLIST MASTER never misses on these >things). Ted A>oh sure, just what I need..... with over 700 titles between vinyl and CD, I need another band to get fanatical about???? I bet this is probably as close to sweating as you get. First draft is done and I'm Q'cing now. Similar to the current tape project I will simply list the titles on the insert and then provide you some background on the various songs separately. Rain didn't grab you but thats understandable. This band sounded very different a few years ago prior to their current lead singer. Early stuff is pretty gnarly while the latter stuff is symphonic/progressive. Hopefully the tape will convey enough of both. You may end up loving one era and despising the other. In about one week or so we will find out. Seeing how you have 3.5 times the amount of music I have and can burn cd's, tell me, would you happen to have any rare Saigon Kick in the cabinet? How about Atomic Opera? Frank Marino & Mahagany Rush rarities are good with me too, especially live stuff. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 27 16:30:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:30:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: Tape Project Message-ID: >Does it actually matter? As long as one person is >touched or inspired by a song or an artist then the >project is worthwhile. And looking at it from the other >side (+2000 different artists in my collection) doesn't >make the final track listing any easier. (Especially >now that "Saigon Kick" and "Water" have been dug out >and fallen in love with all over again) >Zeit Well to some it may. I for one do not listen to radio, watch MTV or attend gigs every weekend. I do not walk into the local record store and walk out with four to five cd's of bands/artists I know nothing about. Most of my collection is based on known talent (70's) and some others that have been recommended by those with similar taste or I literally tripped over it. Good example, my two fave new bands (weren't around in the 70's) King's X and Savatage were both discovered in a cut-out bin. A small investment lead to further research and I found these to be two bands that greatly appealed to me. Now a certain lurker on this list provided me with some recommendations through compilations tapes, much like we're discussing here, and I liked what I heard so much I made a substantial financial investment in these bands. My point being some people take a more catious approach with their music buying. Why make a tape that has the possibility of really impacting someone if you know beyond your vinyl there is none to be had? I can't speak for everybody but when I latch on to good music at that point I'm willing to invest in it. So if Steve Swann were to send me a tape by "Sky is Falling" and it is real good I'd hate to hear from him, "Sorry their career only lasted three albums and none of them have ever been placed on cd." Its a nit I know but someone has to stick up for us folks with miniscule collections. How are you for "The Lizard" and "Devil in The Details?" L8er Ghost in the Ruins From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Mon Apr 27 18:56:07 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:56:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams In-Reply-To: <199804260031.BAA24279@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, J Strobridge wrote: > > ps. also what about anubian nights? > > Different - Nik Turner and companions in Industrial Rock Music mode. I > quite like it but it's fairly sonorous and serious and occasionally > wierd. I must give it another listen - haven't played it for a > while now! > i've been looking around for the first ICU album (the one with Watching the Grass Grow) on it.. if anyone knows where I might obtain a copy, I'd greatly appreciate it.. I love that song! :) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a .. spacing out _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " by spacing in .. | \_/ http://www.neuron.net/~walrus From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Apr 27 22:43:09 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:43:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: SYIB details... Message-ID: >The funny thing is, BOC has almost never experimented in more complex musical >techniques like this...but, once they establish these patterns, they repeat >them mercilessly, and (for some) ad nauseum... As far as weird time thingies, I put in a bunch; I'm On the Lamb, Cagey Cretin, Godzilla, Dizbusters, Astronomy, Morning Final, Joan Crawford, Blue Oyster Cult (from Imaginos). They're in at least one song from every studio album except Mirrors and Fire Of Unknown Origin. Admittedly they're pretty subtle, mostly a bar or 6/8 or 7/8, and then back to yer standard 4/4 but they're also not repeated ad infinitum either. Let's face it there'll never be another Time Out (Dave Brubeck Quartet). From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Apr 27 22:50:40 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:40 -0400 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: >tBS now has: "ETBM". Therefor I predict the next album will have a >name starting with a vowel. Possibilities: As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have subtitles for the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Apr 27 23:31:15 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:31:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: SYIB details... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh yeah, admidst all the questions about whether Albi has heard HF, I forgot to mention..... Billy has said on AOL that he has it and likes it Ted From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Apr 28 00:53:57 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:53:57 EDT Subject: BOC time sig fun... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-27 22:40:33 EDT, you write: << As far as weird time thingies, I put in a bunch; I'm On the Lamb, Cagey Cretin, Godzilla, Dizbusters, Astronomy, Morning Final, Joan Crawford, Blue Oyster Cult (from Imaginos). So YOU were the one that kept slipping those in there! :-) Hey, you didn't mention Debbie Denise, which was one of the few BOC songs that utilized odd time signatures for more than just a measure here and there. What I think is interesting is that you're not even credited on a couple of those songs. I was giving Roeser credit for that one measure in Godzilla! Was the one measure in Reaper your idea, too? Yikes! >>They're in at least one song from every studio album except Mirrors and Fire Of Unknown Origin. Admittedly they're pretty subtle, mostly a bar or 6/8 or 7/8, and then back to yer standard 4/4 but they're also not repeated ad infinitum either. Let's face it there'll never be another Time Out (Dave Brubeck Quartet). >> Actually, I find Time Out to be rather repetitive, although I recognize that the later, more varied and complex explorations of time signatures by progressive rock and jazz fusion bands might never have occurred without that landmark album. SET From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Apr 28 01:09:14 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:09:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Cool Sweat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >Seeing how you have 3.5 times the amount of music I have and can burn >cd's, tell me, would you happen to have any rare Saigon Kick in the >cabinet? How about Atomic Opera? Frank Marino & Mahagany Rush rarities >are good with me too, especially live stuff. > well, I never really got into any of those bands... thank god...but it's probably just that I hadn't gotten around to them yet! I've been itching to find out about AO because of the King's X links, but haven't yet.... now if you were looking for some rare Queensryche, Gary Moor or Y&T, I might be able to help you out.... speaking of KX ...do you have the acoustic "Shot of Love"? and have you ever gotten Naomi's Solar Pumpkin or Endangered Species? I also have some decent BOC stuff, but haven't gotten the software running yet to burn a good copy from the vinyl Ted From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Apr 28 01:50:23 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:50:23 EDT Subject: comparisons Message-ID: I think it's important to recognize that there is significant basis for comparing BOC and tBS. A lot of people seem to believe that because two things are not identical or at least virtually so, they cannot or should not be compared. Nothing is farther from the truth, almost anything can be compared to anything else in some useful way. Heck, if there were nothing else, both BOC and tBS are rock bands. This is in itself a tremendous basis for comparison. After all, even comparing BOC to, say, Beethoven could be a useful exercise...an examination of two different styles of music and their respective degrees of success, perhaps. Heck, it can even be useful to compare art forms themselves: literature to music, art to music. So comparing BOC to tBS is obviously valid...and comparing any two given pieces of music is also valid, whether it's comparing Godzilla to Beethoven's Fifth or any BOC song to any tBS song. Whether one WANTS to do so or not, or whether one is personally capable of making a useful comparison in this regard, doesn't mean that such comparisons are not valid. SET From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 28 04:02:50 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:02:50 +0100 Subject: comparisons In-Reply-To: <79eb1ab3.35456e20@aol.com> Message-ID: > I think it's important to recognize that there is significant basis for > comparing BOC and tBS. A lot of people seem to believe that because two > things are not identical or at least virtually so, they cannot or > should not > be compared. Nothing is farther from the truth, almost anything can be > compared to anything else in some useful way. Oh, "compare and contrast", for sure. But "X rules and Y sucks" is a bit pointless. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 28 00:55:29 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:55:29 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: > Well, as far as direct comparisons go, _Career of Christmas_ was so much > better than _Cult Classic_ it's embarrassing... Damn you people who have EVERYTHING! I don't have Career of Christmas...and I don't suppose I'll ever hear it. Hell, I haven't even gotten around to Box of Hammers, Malpractice or X-Bros for that matter! -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 28 05:10:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:10:39 +0100 Subject: baltimore In-Reply-To: <19980428084425.AAA15647@[208.214.94.77]> Message-ID: > Damn you people who have EVERYTHING! I don't have Career of > Christmas...and I don't suppose I'll ever hear it. Hell, I haven't > even gotten around to Box of Hammers, Malpractice or X-Bros for that > matter! It's a simple matter of having lots of money :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 05:47:49 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:47:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: SYIB details... In-Reply-To: <3d6dc20f.35416e10@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, StevenTice wrote: > The funny thing is, BOC has almost never experimented in more complex musical > techniques like this...but, once they establish these patterns, they repeat > them mercilessly, and (for some) ad nauseum... I think it's to prove that they didn't do it by accident! (-: - Mike Godwin From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 28 05:57:47 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:57:47 +0200 Subject: Tape Project(s) Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > Now a certain lurker on this list provided me with some recommendations > through compilations tapes, much like we're discussing here, and I liked > what I heard so much I made a substantial financial investment in these > bands. My point being some people take a more catious approach with > their music buying. Why make a tape that has the possibility of really > impacting someone if you know beyond your vinyl there is none to be had? > I can't speak for everybody but when I latch on to good music at that > point I'm willing to invest in it. So if Steve Swann were to send me a > tape by "Sky is Falling" and it is real good I'd hate to hear from him, > "Sorry their career only lasted three albums and none of them have ever > been placed on cd." y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) Chr. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 06:12:12 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:12:12 PDT Subject: OFF: Them Chrome Cassette Compilations Message-ID: Y'know, I think I'll fill my C-120 (heh he heh) with the songs from BBC's Rock School and then fill the other side with my 30 Years of Doctor Who Special FX CD. Naughty or nice, you decide... Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 28 06:19:41 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:19:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus In-Reply-To: <19CCD5F5E36@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > If Hammer Back wasn't a put-down, I'd like it a lot less. And, it > features some really great gtr plying to bail it out a bit as well. > I agree that HB and SB are weak cuts, but compared to some of the > other weak tracks from past BOC albums, they ain't bad at all... I had real trouble with this track until I caught on that it was tongue-in-cheek. Thought it was much too much like 'Beat 'Em Up', though much better. Now it's 'Damaged' that worries me on that score of poor lyrics. For the record, my fungus tracks are: 'X-Ray Eyes', which grew on me very fast, and in reverse 'Live For Me', which I skip about half the time. But I still find all the new tracks very hard to shake out of my head. HF now stands fifth from bottom of my BOC albums-by-favourite list, because I've decided I like it more than 'Spectres', which I find rather sticky and overdone. Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Apr 28 06:45:17 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:45:17 +0100 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier on HF Message-ID: Dear All, has it struck anyone else that AL's contribnution to HF is really not very large? What with both Eric and Bck also playing keys on it, and a credit to an additional keyboardist also, for how much of the album is Allen actually there? I can't help thinking that 'In Thee' is there mostly to give the other member of 3OC a writing credit which is otherwise lacking. Is he still a presence as normal live? Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 08:14:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:14:07 +0000 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 01.50 +0000 StevenTice wrote: > After all, even comparing BOC to, > say, Beethoven could be a useful exercise... Certainly there's been an even longer gap since Beethoven released any new material ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 08:17:54 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:17:54 +0000 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 09.02 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Oh, "compare and contrast", for sure. But "X rules and Y sucks" is a bit > pointless. X and Y are just mainstream pap and suck massively. On the other hand, ? and ? rule ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 08:19:01 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:19:01 +0000 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 10.10 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> Damn you people who have EVERYTHING! I don't have Career of >> Christmas...and I don't suppose I'll ever hear it. Hell, I haven't >> even gotten around to Box of Hammers, Malpractice or X-Bros for that >> matter! > > It's a simple matter of having lots of money :) Or, failing that, eat rice for a week or so and spend the spare cash on a new CD :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 28 07:18:41 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:18:41 EDT Subject: Tape Project(s) In-Reply-To: <199804281002.MAA22699@online.no> Message-ID: > From: reset3xKO > > y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any > Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) > > Chr. Well, don't give up on me yet. In meantime, I bet you're burning up the internet, combing the airwaves for ARU CDs, right? theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 28 07:16:39 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:16:39 +0200 Subject: Tape Project(s) Message-ID: > > y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any > > Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) > > > > Chr. > > Well, don't give up on me yet. In meantime, I bet you're burning up > the internet, combing the airwaves for ARU CDs, right? > theo Hey! There was no ARU on those tapes! I am however getting some Radio Birdman..... soon :) Chr. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 08:33:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:33:16 +0000 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: On m?n 27 apr 1998 22.50 -0400 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > As of now this title will start with a P I vote for _Pericranium_. No, _Pyrocranium_! :) > but maybe we'll have subtitles for > the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) Ah ha! Multi-disk extravaganza ... "The Quick" and "The Dead" :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 07:52:08 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:52:08 -0400 Subject: baltimore Message-ID: > Damn you people who have EVERYTHING! I don't have Career of > Christmas...and I don't suppose I'll ever hear it. Hell, I haven't > even gotten around to Box of Hammers, Malpractice or X-Bros for that > matter! Well, I don't know if you can get Career of Christmas anymore, but all of it's tracks are on Malpractise - a great album with lots of variety. The X-Bros album is pretty cool - some great rockers on there. Box of Hammers really smokes - tBS at their best musically (although I prefer the slightly heavier, more in-your-face guitars of Trepanation). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 07:57:18 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:57:18 -0400 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: >I think it's important to recognize that there is significant basis for comparing BOC and tBS. A lot of people seem to believe that because two things are not identical or at least virtually so, they cannot or should not be compared. Nothing is farther from the truth, almost anything can be compared to anything else in some useful way. You CAN compare anything to anything else if you really want. My point was that comparing tBS with the *current* BOC is as useful and relevant as comparing two seperate bands such as BOC and Pink Floyd. The idea that tBS and the BOC of today are more comparable because of PAST connections doesn't wash with me. Those connections are now severed - there are no Meltzer lyrics, or Bouchard contributions on Heaven Forbid. And while Malpractise has some covers of BOC tunes, those are covers of OLD tunes, not ones recorded by the current BOC lineup. So, if you want to compare the bands, fine by me. But, while you're at it, why don't you compare the new BOC with the latest Hawkwind - the 2 bands are about as closely related as the current BOC and tBS. John From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 28 07:53:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:53:46 +0200 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: > On tis 28 apr 1998 09.02 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > > Oh, "compare and contrast", for sure. But "X rules and Y sucks" is a bit > > pointless. > > X and Y are just mainstream pap and suck massively. Hey, it could be Y & T! > On the other hand, ? and ? rule ... > > :) > Chr. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 08:07:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:07:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier on HF Message-ID: > has it struck anyone else that AL's contribnution to HF is really not very large? What with both Eric and Bck also playing keys on it, and a credit to an additional keyboardist also, for how much of the album is Allen actually there? I can't help thinking that 'In Thee' is there mostly to give the other member of 3OC a writing credit which is otherwise lacking. Is he still a presence as normal live? Lanier's contributions to Heaven Forbid are about as much as they have been on the last few BOC albums. There were words spoken a few years back to the effect of "Allen has started writing again" so there was some hope that a Lanier composition would be on the album. But, his last songwriting credit was on Mirrors, I think (I might be wrong - but as you can see, it's been awhile). I suspect that several of the songs, Buck's in particular, were worked up individually, so the reason you have Buck and Eric with keyboard credits is probably because their original keyboard parts that they worked up on their demos may have been retained. As for Allen live, he is as much a presence as he always was - he's playing a bit more guitar now it seems, and I suspect the reason (and this is just my theory) is that with Buck doing more of the vocals, or rather Eric doing less, Eric has been doing more keyboards - so Allen (who I believe is a much better guitarist than Eric) is handling more guitar work. I'm somewhat suspicious about the reason you cited for including "In Thee" - I wondered about that too. Whether or not there were ulterior motives for adding this track I don't know, but I still contend it's a nice addition to the CD (although another Eric-sung song would have been nice for a bit more vocal balance). John PS: The one thing I don't understand is why the band didn't consider some older unreleased tunes to add to the CD - at least if the fanclub newsletter is to be believed, there are some true musical gems that the band never put on an album because they weren't either right for the particular album they were working on, or didn't fit the BOC "image". One song in particular, a Buck tune called "Night Flyer" I've heard is excellent ( although now that I think about it, I seem to recall that it stared as a Joe Bouchard piece). At least with tBS we get to hear some of these ideas brought to fruition (Soul Jive, Sally, Hansel & Gretel, and Gun to name a few). From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 08:09:11 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:09:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Kronos in the Sky Message-ID: Someone sent me this info - astronomers might want to check it out. John >Two Chronos' in the Last Nights of May > >I found these two groups of stars this spring from my observing site >near Burgaw, NC. It has probably already been done in the past, but I >haven't seen anything about it. The first can be seen with some city >light pollution nearby. The second requires some dark sky away from >the city. You may need to refer to a planetarium program for the >constellations and greek letter star locations. My graphics abililty >is limited, maybe Astronomer, Astro, or Silverfish Imperetrix can >help, but for now I'll just describe in text. > >1. This formation can be seen in the northeast sky in late spring >evenings. Borrow stars from Corona Borealis and from Bootes to form >the Chronos. Follow handle of Big Dipper away from bowl to bright >orange star Arcturus, then back up about a third of the way. The >semicircle of stars is Corona Borealis and let it define the sickle of >the Chronos sign. Just above it is the kite shaped constellation >Bootes with Arcturus defining the bottom of the kite. Borrow four >stars from Bootes to form the cross above the sickle, The left end of >the cross is Beta Bootes, the right end of the cross is Epsilon >Bootes, the top of the cross is Gamma Bootes, and the bottom of the >cross just above the sickle is Delta Bootes. There is no star to >define the center of the cross. > >2. This next formation is high in the southern sky in late spring >evenings. This is upside down, so you may have to face north, and >bend over backward (or lay down in the oyster beds) to see it in the >right orientation. This is part of the constellation Leo, with one >star borrowed from the dim constellation Sextans. Follow the Big >Dipper pole pointer stars away from the pole to find the sickle in >Leo. The bright blue white star is Regulus (Alpha Leonis) and forms >the connection between the bottom of the cross and the sickle. Just >south of Regulus is a very dim star named 31 Leo and it forms the >center of the cross. Continuing south is a dim star Alpha Sextans >which forms the top of the cross. The right end of the cross is Rho >Leonis, and the left end of the cross is Omicron Leonis. The sickle >is easily seen, but the cross is so dim you'll need to be in the >country to see it. > >Good luck. Maybe we'll be able to see it while lying down in the >grass at the Classic Amphitheatre as BOC plays Astronomy. > >cretin, Cape FEAR Astronomical Society From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 09:22:12 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:22:12 +0000 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 07.57 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > So, if you want to compare the bands, fine by me. But, while you're at > it, why don't you compare the new BOC with the latest Hawkwind - the 2 > bands are about as closely related as the current BOC and tBS. I don't know if I'd go _that_ far! :) A lot of tunes with the Bouchard Bros. input are still prominent in BOC's current set-list. Comparison between tBS and BOC isn't really that surprising, no matter how much musicological relevance it may have. Heck--it's only rock'n'roll ... That said, I like _Malpractice_ better than _Distant Horizons_, and I expect that I will like _Heaven Forbid_ better than _DH_ as well! But I'll reserve judgement until I've heard _DH_. Actually, if I were BOC, I would have unashamedly have covered "Sisters of the Precious Blood". Probably more creepy than anything on _HF_ :) But then, if I were BOC I wouldn't have taken so long to release an album and would have certainly been raiding the "unreleased/unfinished" vaults for material to rework if I had writer's block that bad ... Hey, I've no problem (in principle) with repetivity. I don't expect BOC to reach the heights of cleverness as they did with the Bouchards and Pearlman aboard, but if they can crank out a few decent tunes, well, Buck is still a damn fine guitar player :) It _is_ only rock'n'roll. "Needle Gun" is, after all, a damn silly song :) but it is does _rock_ and is good fun! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Apr 28 10:09:30 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:09:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wal writes: >i've been looking around for the first ICU album (the one with Watching >the Grass Grow) on it.. if anyone knows where I might obtain a copy, I'd >greatly appreciate it.. I love that song! :) > >wal "Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was "Punkadelic" - quite a good album really! Let's face it though, "Watching the Grass Grow" has appeared in so many different places now that I, for one, have lost track of the number of versions out there. I heard a rumour that the version on "Prophets of Time" was recorded as an instumental in the States by the various members of Pressurehead, and Nik did the sax and vocals over here in the UK - is this true of the entire LP? "Pass Out" was issued on CD a few years back with some bonus live trax (mostly HW covers). Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! The first album is availlable from Andi G. at CDS in Scotland, by Mail Order. So there! Guy From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 28 05:54:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:54:47 +0000 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: John wrote: > You CAN compare anything to anything else if you really want. My point > was that comparing tBS with the *current* BOC is as useful and relevant > as comparing two seperate bands such as BOC and Pink Floyd. The idea > that tBS and the BOC of today are more comparable because of PAST > connections doesn't wash with me. Those connections are now severed - > there are no Meltzer lyrics, or Bouchard contributions on Heaven Forbid. > And while Malpractise has some covers of BOC tunes, those are covers of > OLD tunes, not ones recorded by the current BOC lineup. I think this thing is getting way too over-analyzed. The way I interpreted the original question was just basically, "Who do you like better". Why examine whether or not this question should be answered...or even asked in the first place? It's BEEN ASKED, and I for one am interested in other peoples' answers. Al might be, too :) -- Nick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 28 09:45:37 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:45:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: Of course Steve Pond is selling/trading off his wonderful MP3 *Complete* ICU 79-86 CDR disc incl. rare live/demo stuff and videos... Chr. > >i've been looking around for the first ICU album (the one with Watching > >the Grass Grow) on it.. if anyone knows where I might obtain a copy, I'd > >greatly appreciate it.. I love that song! :) > > > >wal > > "Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. > The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was "Punkadelic" - quite a > good album really! > > Let's face it though, "Watching the Grass Grow" has appeared in so many > different places now that I, for one, have lost track of the number of versions > out there. > > I heard a rumour that the version on "Prophets of Time" was recorded as an > instumental in the States by the various members of Pressurehead, and Nik did > the sax and vocals over here in the UK - is this true of the entire LP? > > "Pass Out" was issued on CD a few years back with some bonus live trax (mostly > HW covers). > > Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! > > The first album is availlable from Andi G. at CDS in Scotland, by Mail Order. > > So there! > > Guy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 28 09:24:32 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:24:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier on HF Message-ID: >songwriting credit was on Mirrors, I think (I might be wrong - but as you >can see, it's been awhile). He wrote 'Don't Turn Your Back' on FOUO, I think... flip, flip, flip. Yep. Well, co-wrote, but his name is listed first... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 28 09:24:34 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:24:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: >"Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. >The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was "Punkadelic" - quite a >good album really! > >Let's face it though, "Watching the Grass Grow" has appeared in so many >different places now that I, for one, have lost track of the number of versions >out there. I heard an ugly rumor that an upcoming compilation CD from Cleopatra was was going to be called "Watching the Grass Grow", and would feature nothing but some 20-odd versions of "Watching the Grass Grow"... I know this is about as far from HW or BOC as I can think of, and is about someone whose stuff I can't care for at all, but I thought it was amusing... reportedly sometime last year, Kenny G set a world record by holding one note on a... what does he play, sax?.. anyway, he held it for 45 minutes. As a tribute to his fans they are releasing this 45 minute note by itself as an album.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From des at SUPERLINK.NET Tue Apr 28 10:57:57 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:57:57 -0400 Subject: BOC -Buck's Children Message-ID: Does anyone know if Buck has a daughter named Danni? A friend of mine was at a party recently in Rumson, NJ and a girl named Danni introduced herself as Buck Dharma's daughter. --EF -- "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." - Anonymous From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 28 10:53:42 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:53:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <1230091428041998/A04643/LNMV02/11C4E3891D00*@MHS> Message-ID: > "Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. > The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was > "Punkadelic" - quite a > good album really! You're forgetting the brilliant _The Maximum Effect_! > Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! Really? Drum machine, "Convoy", and all? I'd put it last! > > The first album is availlable from Andi G. at CDS in Scotland, by > Mail Order. Not to be confused with me (it's happened before!) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Apr 28 12:23:05 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:23:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <000401bd72b5$6f761aa0$623f63c3@default> Message-ID: >> "Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. >> The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was >> "Punkadelic" - quite a >> good album really! > >You're forgetting the brilliant _The Maximum Effect_! > >> Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! > >Really? Drum machine, "Convoy", and all? I'd put it last! OK, "Convoy" is rather average, but I rather like "Stop the City", and is IMO a classic track. The reason that I never enthused about Maximum Effect, is that it was a bit of a shock after Sphinx and HW - it took a full 4 ICU LP's before I could cope! - hence why I suppose I prefer New Anatomy! Actually, somebody should release a "Best of ICU" as there is probably a really good 75minutes worth of ICU trax - lets face facts here! I think I would prefer to listen to 75 mins of ICU highlights than struggle through 4 or 5 LPs and a few EPs. One of all time best ICU trax is Raj Neesh - don't know why, but its a great song. Even my mate Michael (who ONLY listens to Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth etc.) reckons that it is a GREAT track. He even came to Dingwalls in London with me in 1985, to see ICU, on the strength of that track and loved the gig. If I recall, Simon Houses' band supported that night - no violins though! I'm waffling now! Guy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 11:40:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:40:34 -0400 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: >I think this thing is getting way too over-analyzed. You're right, and I'm the one doing it too . . . ;-) Allow me to explain a little further, hopefully without ranting, and then I'll shut up on this (I PROMISE!)... The original post asked about comparing Heaven Forbid and the Brain Surgeons - I took it as implying "O.K., who's the REAL genious of BOC - Buck or Al?" at some level I suppose. Now, I think that is a debatable point and something that certainly can be discussed on BOC-L, and I think that while many of us know and respect Al, we also know he is thick-skinned enough should such comparisons arise. As for "who do you like better", well, I think this question has been asked before, and whether or not Heaven Forbid changes the answers I don't know. In some sense I feel this is a pointless question, but of course folks are free to do so - but, to me it starts to sound too much like those "who are your favorit artist" polls that pollute USENET discussion groups. But my own over-analysis (can't spell "analysis" without "anal") of this question is that I wonder if there is still some people who want to somehow tie the Bouchards of today with BOC of today - and my point is that they aren't tied, and haven't been for years. And, Heaven Forbid is now the first BOC album that has no fingerprints of the Bouchards on it (possible ties to "In Thee" excepted) - maybe I wonder in my onw (oops "own") mind if some folks here are still dreaming about the original line-up - like it will return someday. If that's the case, I think people need to give it up - it most like won't, and shouldn't happen (yeah, IMHO). In my own mind, I enjoy the past, but as for the present and future of the artists involved, they are no longer involved with eachother other than the fact that the Bouchards do cover some of the BOC songs which they wrote, and BOC also still plays live some of the songs which the Bouchards wrote. O.K., end of analysis. For those that want comparisons between HF and tBS, I'll give a quick analysis, and drop the fan-boy, I-love-everybody stuff here and say the following: As for "preferences", I can't say I have any - I'm listening much more to Heaven Forbid than tBS, but I'm also listening to HF much more than anything else these days (including BOC's back catalog - and that should not be interpreted to mean that HF is the best BOC album IMHO - just that right now HF hasn't "worn out it's welcome") - the only other CD that is getting as much time in the player is the debut album (also released this past March 24th) of SWAMP BOOGIE QUEEN ("Ill Gotten Booty") - if you like soulful, gin-soaked jazz/rock/blues sung by a babe with an almost Joplinesque voice, I heartily recommend it. In terms of lyrics, I think tBS wins hands down. I LIKE John Shirley's lyrics, but I would prefer less repetitiveness (and, as said before, that may either be John Shirley's fault, or BOC's fault for not better utilizing them). And besides, that stuff that Meltzer (in particular) writes is just plain cool. Musically, I think it's hard to compare - I like some of the heaviness of much of Heaven Forbid, although some of tBS seems more complex (and there of course are exceptions - tBS' "Bad Habit" and "Needle Gun" are cool tunes, but BOC's "Real World" and "Damaged" seem musically more complex). I like the use of the odd-time signatures in SYIB and PUD, and while it is true that being used throughout the songs is something less sophisticated than only a few inserts (as Al had pointed out was done in the past), it's still a cool effect. I think both bands have shown a decent amount of variety on their latest albums. I prefer to compare tBS' Box of Hammers or Trepanation to Heaven Forbid as Malpractise is sort of an "odds and sods" album, and has more covers. Comparing BoH with HF - despite the KC and the Sunshine band sound (and damn those of you that pointed this out ), "Damaged" is probably my favorite track between the two, and then probably 2 or 3 tracks from BoH (St. Vitus Dance, Earthquake Boogie, Overture) would be next, or some of these might be tied with HF's SYIB, Harvest Moon, and Real World. Speaking as a fan of bass, BOC's got the bass more up-front in the mix on most of HF than tBS, yet some of David Hirschberg's lines are more complex - which seems strange because Danny Miranda is fantastic bass player, but most of his lines (Damaged and Real World being the major exceptions) are fairly straight-forward. As for drumming, Al wins hands- down - Chuck/Bobby are good, and their in-your-face style compliments BOC's current sound well, but I like Al's subtleties that he brings to tBS' music - he seems to play the drums almost as if they are a melodic instrument at times, rather than just pounding rhythms. Guitar-wise, Buck Dharma is THE MAN - no doubt. But of course, it ain't all about shredding (never was in BOC), and no one can fault the guitarwork in tBS - it just doesn't blow you away like Buck's can. Vocally - this is tough - as singers go, Deb will probably overall be my favorite - part of that is her ability to sing a variety of styles, and sing with such power and emotion, and part of that seems that I like to listen to rock and roll sung by women (don't mean to be sexist, but when I look at who I like to listen to, it becomes obvious to me that lately I've really been preferring female singers). When Eric is on (and he is on the 4 tracks he sings on HF), it's an ass-kicker to hear as he delivers that "menace" that we all love. Al's vocals, while never catching my attention when he was in BOC, I've come to really like for their underlying humor and sinisterness at the same time - Al would be a great "mad scientist"! And while Buck's vocals are great, they don't usually reach out and grab me ("Damaged" being the exception), but this also compliments some of the softer songs like Harvest Moon and Live for Me. Whew, that turned out to be a mouthful! So, I guess the REAL reason that this question shouldn't be asked is that I might ramble on way to long with some opinions! ;-) John From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Tue Apr 28 11:42:50 1998 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:42:50 -0600 Subject: Please unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199804281540.LAA00596@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Tom Minsel, Ph.D. Research and Development Abacus-Direct Corp. 8774 Yates Dr. Westminster, CO. 80030 (303) 487-5444 ____________________________________________________________________________ "It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... Is this the part of wise men engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we to be disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." -Patrick Henry From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 28 08:09:46 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:09:46 +0000 Subject: comparisons Message-ID: > maybe I wonder in my onw > (oops "own") mind if some folks here are still dreaming about the > original line-up - like it will return someday. If that's the case, > I think people need to give it up - it most like won't, and shouldn't > happen (yeah, IMHO). Heck, we've seen rockers who've probably hated each other a thousand times more get back together...but usually, it was the $$$ calling. And unfortunately, I doubt many record execs would see green in the prospect of Al and Joe rejoining the Cult. Anyway, I'll shut up about the whole thing too, although I would have been interested to hear how more people stacked them up...just for curiosity's sake. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 28 08:09:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:09:47 +0000 Subject: John Shirley a chicken farmer? Message-ID: Is it possible that John Shirley was a struggling chicken farmer before he became a published writer? I can't recall any other rock albums that make such gratuitous use of the word 'pluck'. Just a thought. -- Nick From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 28 12:05:06 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:05:06 -0700 Subject: BOC: Comparisons Message-ID: Have you people flipped your collective lids? This is BOC-L one of the most, if not number one, free flowing lists of mad thinkers in the known universe. Of course you can compare BOC' latest with the last tBS effort. Its all opinions anyway just behave yourself and be honest when doing so. The notion that no one would dare do such a thing because Al is a memeber of this list...why thats...thats ...the MOST LUDICROUS POSTING SINCE MY FICTIONAL BOC STORY RAN FOR WEEKS! I think thats a real disservice to Al to suggest that we would be afraid to say something like "well I think HF is better than Box of Hammers. Shsssshhh please don't tell anyone." Farkin' madness man. When has Al ever shied away from an intelligent discussion of any topic on this list? I can't think of one. The only time he has directly refused to answer something is when it was a matter most personal which he has every right to do. So if you feel qualified to make a comparision of both bands, their catalogs or just the last two efforts go right ahead. Geez where is Deb when you need her (did I really say that?). A slightly peeved over this flap Ghost in the Ruins From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 12:23:38 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:23:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <199802131750.MAA20853@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Ladies Fish and Gentlemen I was just looking at John's list (below) and thinking there are a number of these songs I would really like to see in the revamped set, if it happens. I've never seen them play 'Golden Age', and I've only seen them play 'Lips', 'Take me away', 'IATOYWMO' and 'Veteran' on one occasion each. I don't remember ever seeing them play 'The Subhuman' either - not for years, anyway. And how about 'Astronomy' and 'Workshop of the Telescopes' to brighten up the evening? - Mike Godwin * * * * On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > Here's my "Cult Classic II". > 1. Stairway to the Stars > 2. Golden Age of Leather > 3. Last Days of May > 4. Veteran of the Psychic Wars > 5. The Vigil > 6. Lips in the Hills > 7. I Love the Night (all 3 verses) > 8. I Am the One You Warned Me Of > 9. The Subhuman > 10 Seven Screaming Diz-Busters > 11. Tattoo Vampire > 12. Take Me Away > 13. Still Burnin' > 14. Golden Age of Leather (TV Mix - might be hard to sing the acappella > intro without a click track though...) > 15. Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (TV Mix)> From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 12:56:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:56:17 PDT Subject: BOC: revamped set+RUSH DEFENCE Message-ID: John said: >> 14. Golden Age of Leather (TV Mix - might be hard to sing the >>acappella intro without a click track though...) Nonsense. Click tracks are for girls. And Hawkwind. ;?> Or Neil Peart. ----------- Now, in defence of Rush fans, I found anecdotal evidence of their sense of humour. I laughed too. Go figure. "I discovered something that's really amazing. If you stare real, real hard at the 2112 CD cover for about 20 minutes without blinking, your eyes go blurry and start to sting. I bet the priests are responsible for that." --- Ruth Goodman "After reading Shakespeare's "All the world is a stage" line, I was amazed at his genius. Not only could he write classics of literature, he could build a time machine and buy Rush albums." --- Jeffrey Pojanowski "When Rush listens to "The Spirit of Radio," I bet they all air-drum the beginning part. Then their wives just look at them and shake their heads and laugh. Except for Neil's wife, because he's pretty good." --- Chris Lundquist ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Apr 28 13:59:57 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:59:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <2505231628041998/A06523/LNMV02/11C4E4170400*@MHS> Message-ID: In message ID <2505231628041998/A06523/LNMV02/11C4E4170400*@MHS> on 28/04/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> One of all time best ICU trax is Raj Neesh - don't know why, but BDL> its a great song. Even my mate Michael (who ONLY listens to BDL> Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth etc.) reckons that it is a GREAT BDL> track. He even came to Dingwalls in London with me in 1985, to BDL> see ICU, on the strength of that track and loved the gig Talking about Raj Neesh, it is credited Turner/Thoms/Erba/Reeves on friends & Relations, and the alternate 'Wake Up' from Judge Trev's ICU "Now you know the score" is Thoms/Ghisio-ErbaI Other point has anybody tried to convert the Spectrum program (from New Anatomy) for Mac or PC ? Olivier -- via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 28 13:15:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:15:57 EDT Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: M R Godwin > I was just looking at John's list (below) and thinking there are a number > of these songs I would really like to see in the revamped set, if it > happens. I've never seen them play 'Golden Age', and I've only seen them They did Golden Age at one of the shows I saw last year. Brian, were you at that one? > play 'Lips', I've only seen this one live once or twice, though I understand they were doing it fairly regularly a couple years ago... 'Take me away', This was done at the last 'real' BOC show I saw, where they headlined a huge outdoor show. Shortly thereafter, they commenced their downward spiral... 'IATOYWMO' Well, we aren't likely to hear that one anytime soon, unless you go to a tBS gig! Hey Al, when are you hitting the road again? and 'Veteran' on one occasion Heard that one a few times, mainly during the Rick Downey era... > each. I don't remember ever seeing them play 'The Subhuman' either - not > for years, anyway. > Ya know, for all the times I saw BOC, even back in the old days, I'm not sure if I ever heard them do that one, despite its opening the first live album, and despite that I saw them touring in support of ST [eat yer hearts out, kiddies!] > And how about 'Astronomy' and 'Workshop of the Telescopes' to brighten up > the evening? > Astronomy, I've seen many times, throughout the band's history. Never seen 'em do Workshop... papa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 28 13:18:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:18:18 EDT Subject: BOC: revamped set+RUSH DEFENCE In-Reply-To: <19980428165617.19516.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer ----------- > Now, in defence of Rush fans, I found anecdotal evidence of their sense > of humour. I laughed too. Go figure. > > "I discovered something that's really amazing. If you stare real, real > hard at the 2112 CD cover for about 20 minutes without blinking, > your eyes go blurry and start to sting. I bet the priests are > responsible for that." --- Ruth Goodman > "After reading Shakespeare's "All the world is a stage" line, I was > amazed at his genius. Not only could he write classics of literature, he > could build a time machine and buy Rush albums." --- Jeffrey Pojanowski > "When Rush listens to "The Spirit of Radio," I bet they all air-drum the > beginning part. Then their wives just look at them and shake their > heads and laugh. Except for Neil's wife, because he's pretty good." --- > Chris Lundquist > Howls! Chris, you are THE MAN! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 14:33:29 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:33:29 +0000 Subject: tBS/BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 13.15 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Hey Al, when are you hitting the road again? And when are you bringing tBS to the UK? :) Speaking of which, the world needs a decent recording of D&S. I know it's originally an Al vocal, but I would be tempted to put Deb on the lead vocal (except for Al on "it will be time" and the other sub voce stuff). And then on the call-and-response part have everyone shout "Dominance!" Deb do "Submission ..." and then Al do "radios appear!" Alternately, Al could take the lead vocal from "Times Square now ..." but keep the call and response part the same as I describe. There's a great career for me as a producer :) (not!) :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 13:33:42 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:33:42 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <22B9E190CB0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > [Re: 'IATOYWMO'] > > Well, we aren't likely to hear that one anytime soon, unless you go > to a tBS gig! Hey Al, when are you hitting the road again? BOC did play it on the UK 'Imaginos' tour. Presumably they know a few of the tunes off that album. Has anyone ever heard them play 'Del Rio's Song' or 'Magna of Illusion'? - Mike G. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 13:58:29 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:58:29 PDT Subject: OFF: RUSH fans in laffs shocker Message-ID: >> >Howls! Chris, you are THE MAN! > >theo > Ta v.much. I shall quote only these and then return to less OFF topics. chris. So there I was, surrounded by thousands of screaming Rush fans, wondering to myself when this loud rock band would leave the stage so I can hear what he has to say about Newt Gingrich. --- Ruth Goodman The next time By-Tor comes across that Snow Dog, if he wants to win he should leave his sword at home, and bring a super-powered electrical heater instead. Then he could just turn it on, and watch that dog melt away. Of course, finding a long enough extension cord could be a problem. --- Ruth Goodman If the Analog Kid and Digital Man were to have a fight, Digital Man would definitely win. I mean, duh, he's Digital. --- Jeffrey Pojanowski "I USED TO PLAY IN RUSH!" screams the mad man. Sure you did Mr. Rutsey, sure you did. --- Richard Medos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Apr 28 14:05:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:05:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >> I was just looking at John's list (below) and thinking there are a number >> of these songs I would really like to see in the revamped set, if it >> happens. I've never seen them play 'Golden Age', and I've only seen them >They did Golden Age at one of the shows I saw last year. Brian, were >you at that one? Yup. It was the Utica gig. There's a review of it on the Imaginos site. I don't think they played it when I saw them in Binghamton a couple months later. Brian obTOAST> "Raise your can of beer on high..." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2274 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Tue Apr 28 14:14:07 1998 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:14:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I've never seen them play 'Golden Age', and I've only seen them >play 'Lips', 'Take me away', 'IATOYWMO' and 'Veteran' on one occasion >each. I don't remember ever seeing them play 'The Subhuman' either - not >for years, anyway. >And how about 'Astronomy' and 'Workshop of the Telescopes' to brighten up >the evening? I agree completely. As a relatively new listener of BOC (first tour was Club Ninja) I have seen pretty much the same set each time I have gone to a show. I would especially like to WOTT due to the fact that the recording on WOTT is slightly worse than terrible. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Apr 28 14:16:05 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:05 EDT Subject: BOC: SYIB details... Message-ID: Albert B wrote: > ...weird time thingies, I put in a bunch...They're in at least one song from every studio album except Mirrors and Fire Of Unknown Origin How about the weird time thingie that occurs in Mirrors' "You're Not the One..." between the end of the guitar solo and "...We can make beautiful music"? I always liked that but had no idea what in fact was being done (although a technical explanation would probably be lost on me anyway). -Chris Baker From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 14:37:30 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:37:30 PDT Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >>And how about 'Astronomy' and 'Workshop of the Telescopes' to brighten >up >>the evening? > >I agree completely. As a relatively new listener of BOC (first tour was >Club Ninja) I have seen pretty much the same set each time I have gone >to a show. > >I would especially like to WOTT due to the fact that the recording on >WOTT is slightly worse than terrible. > I have a bootleg of them doing a rather fine version of the Black Telescope Song from around 1986, I think. But I don't see what's wrong with either the 1st LP version or the original 4-track '71/'72 bootleg, in recording terms. Infact, people have been mentioning this for a few weeks now...what's the beef? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 14:47:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:47:33 -0400 Subject: tBS/BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > Speaking of which, the world needs a decent recording of D&S. The version he did with Joe and Mike Watt a few years back (available on a few Watt singles if you can find 'em - didn't make an album) is a truly awesome version. Great vocals by Al, heavy duty guitars and crankin' bass and drums, and a cool honky-tonk piano part (who woulda thunk it would've worked so well?). I hope tBS can release it on a future album. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 15:52:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:52:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 11.37 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > But I don't see what's wrong > with either the 1st LP version or the original 4-track '71/'72 bootleg, > in recording terms. The sound _is_ a bit thin. Certainly by modern standards, but there were beefier sounding recordings in 1970 too ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 15:55:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:55:09 +0000 Subject: tBS/BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 14.47 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > The version he did with Joe and Mike Watt a few years back (available > on a few Watt singles if you can find 'em - didn't make an album) is > a truly awesome version. Great vocals by Al, heavy duty guitars and > crankin' bass and drums, and a cool honky-tonk piano part (who woulda > thunk it would've worked so well?). I hope tBS can release it on a > future album. I do indeed have it, but I think I like the live versions I've heard from tBS and BOC both better! That said, neither the original studio BOC version or the ETL version have very good sound, IMO, which the Watt version does ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 28 15:03:15 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:03:15 GMT Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <1230091428041998/A04643/LNMV02/11C4E3891D00*@MHS> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:09:30 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! You sir... ARE IN NEED OF HELP! :) -Steve From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Apr 28 15:08:35 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:08:35 EDT Subject: BOC: SYIB details... You're not the one... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-28 14:17:38 EDT, you write: << How about the weird time thingie that occurs in Mirrors' "You're Not the One..." between the end of the guitar solo and "...We can make beautiful music"? I always liked that but had no idea what in fact was being done (although a technical explanation would probably be lost on me anyway). >> This one's pretty simple...the song is in 4/4 except for the last measure of the guitar solo, which is in 2/4. Just the sort of thing Albert was talking about, slipping a single odd measure into an otherwise ordinary song. SET From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 28 15:08:46 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:08:46 GMT Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <3582066686.552777881@technolink.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:59:57 +0200, you sent through the ether: >Talking about Raj Neesh, it is credited Turner/Thoms/Erba/Reeves on friends & >Relations, and the alternate 'Wake Up' from Judge Trev's ICU "Now you know the >score" is Thoms/Ghisio-ErbaI Ah but we all know that when various ICU members release their own albums they always cliam to have written all the songs.. checked any of the credits on Niks remakes of ICU songs? fiction I think Raj Neesh is basically Trevor.. The other 3 were probaly credited out of either ignorance or some sense of fair play. Trevs on this list now.. lets see if he can clear it up. >Other point has anybody tried to convert the Spectrum program (from New >Anatomy) for Mac or PC ? Yup.. the raw data from the record/cd will load straight into *any* spectrum emulator. I got PRS money for that data track.. I claimed it was "Electronic music - Avant garde" on the form you fill in to register compositions.. -Steve From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 15:16:04 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:16:04 PDT Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >On tis 28 apr 1998 11.37 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" > wrote: >> But I don't see what's wrong >> with either the 1st LP version or the original 4-track '71/'72 bootleg, >> in recording terms. > > The sound _is_ a bit thin. Certainly by modern standards, but there >were beefier sounding recordings in 1970 too ... > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson Hmmm. I always use Black Sabbath _Black Sabbath_ as a yard stick, and I think the only difference would be in the style of mix rather than the quality of sound, I mean, all the sounds are there, the clarity's there....Yeah, so maybe the guitar gets a shade loud at the end, but surely that's a mixing decision and Buck wanted it that way. I know a couple of the bass solo's I take on our last CD got cranked that little extra nyum just to stick out like I wanted to. I know I'm listening to a CD, but I don't think it's been remastered. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 28 15:20:48 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:20:48 EDT Subject: tBS/BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <678874.3102777209@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Speaking of which, the world needs a decent recording of D&S. > > I know it's originally an Al vocal, but I would be tempted to put Deb > on the lead vocal (except for Al on "it will be time" and the other sub > voce stuff). And then on the call-and-response part have everyone shout > "Dominance!" Deb do "Submission ..." and then Al do "radios appear!" > > Alternately, Al could take the lead vocal from "Times Square now ..." > but keep the call and response part the same as I describe. > > There's a great career for me as a producer :) (not!) :) > Al and Deb DO alternate the lines from D&S during the live tBS show, but I can't remember who sings which part... theo From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Apr 28 15:39:55 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:39:55 -0400 Subject: BOC -Buck's Children In-Reply-To: <3545EE74.29DE@superlink.net> Message-ID: >Does anyone know if Buck has a daughter named Danni? A friend of mine >was at a party recently in Rumson, NJ and a girl named Danni introduced >herself as Buck Dharma's daughter. > yeah, Buck has a daughter in her early 20's names Danielle Ted From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Tue Apr 28 15:58:49 1998 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:58:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <19980428183730.5312.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > I have a bootleg of them doing a rather fine version of the Black > Telescope Song from around 1986, I think. But I don't see what's wrong > with either the 1st LP version or the original 4-track '71/'72 bootleg, > in recording terms. > Infact, people have been mentioning this for a few weeks now...what's > the beef? IMHO the recording of WOTT sounds like it was recorded in a tin can or a men's room. Also, there seems to be an excessive amount of midrange to the mix. It sounds like a cassette tape that has been played too many times. BTW, that does mean the song is bad, just that it is a bad recording. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 28 16:39:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:39:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > I have a bootleg of them doing a rather fine version of the Black > Telescope Song from around 1986, I think. But I don't see what's wrong > with either the 1st LP version or the original 4-track '71/'72 bootleg, > in recording terms. > Infact, people have been mentioning this for a few weeks now...what's > the beef? IMHO the recording of WOTT sounds like it was recorded in a tin can or a men's room. A pizza parlour actually... John From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 16:43:51 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:43:51 PDT Subject: INNER CITY UNIT GIG UPDATES Message-ID: Dear everyone, Inner City Unit are on the road again this year. 21 May The Royal Standard 1 Blackhorse Rd E17 support: Excathedra, Anoraks, Bushweael 23rd May Goldsmith's Tavern New Cross, London support: Disturbed 24 May Blandford Fest with Nik Turners All Stars, Ruby Throat 29 May The Albert Trafalgar St Brighton 29 July-2 Aug Big Green Gathering More gigs soon Our new CD "Now You Know The Score" is available from Judjement Recs , 48 Barbauld Rd, London N16 OST for ?10.75 inc p&p mail order. I'm afraid the rec industry don't consider us important enough to be put in the shops. The CD is great. Don't forget to get your copy and also check out the ICU website on www.doremi.co.uk/icu. Love, Judge Trev ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 28 16:35:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ted's Tape Questions Message-ID: >tell me, would you happen to have any rare Saigon Kick in the cabinet? How about Atomic Opera? Frank Marino & Mahagany Rush rarities are good with me too, especially live stuff. Ted>well, I never really got into any of those bands... thank god...but it's probably just that I hadn't gotten around to them yet! I've been itching to find out about AO because of the King's X links, but haven't yet.... now if you were looking for some rare Queensryche, Gary Moor or Y&T, I might be able to help you out.... speaking of KX ...do you have the acoustic "Shot of Love"? and have you ever gotten Naomi's Solar Pumpkin or Endangered Species? I also have some decent BOC stuff, but haven't gotten the software running yet to burn a good copy from the vinyl OK some quick respsonses here: Never got into Saigon Kick or Frank Marino huh? Quality stuff but a matter of taste. Frank's an old school rock and roller and one of the best guitarist on the planet. SK their music is rock and all but the kitchen sink thrown in. Lots of lineup changes but the one constant was always Jason Bieler, a genius for song writing and guitar playing. Atomic Opera - They did one album years ago as part of the extended King's X family. Like the Galactic Cowboys and KX they were produced by Sam Taylor. So the sound from the original album contained lush layerd vocal harmonies and progressive rock riffs (sound familiar). That first CD is one of the hardest buys I have experienced. Have searched for years without any success in getting a copy. A friend lent me a tape of it and I believe of the three groups KX, GC and AO their debut smoked the others. Yep It was much better than OOTSP. If I can find this one I'll be sure to share it with you, gaurantee you'll love it on first listen. Supposedly they have reformed and have a new album but not all the original members are part of the current lineup. Without Sam Taylor's influence I have no idea how they sound now. Rare Queensryche and Y&T appeals greatly. Yum yum. Accoustic Shot of Love, I think I have a demo of that on tape. Nothing on cd. In fact I have about 6-8 KX shows, a copy of Ride the Wind (on tape) the only KX bootleg CD I have ever seen and a couple of GC' bootleg tapes. NSP - No but I have the Metal Blade release of Moonflower Lane. Great stuff but you expect that from Ty. Now waiting for Doug's solo. Endangered Speices, alas I have not yet seen this for a price I am willing to pay. I got Musically Incorrect as an import as is most of my Y&T collection (imports that is). I've probably spent more on their cd's than any other band. When I can get a local copy of ES I'll jump on it. Rare BOC on vinyl? Do you have a rough idea of the value ($)? Let me know if your interested in any of the KX/GC boots. I'll give you a listing of the shows sometime this week. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 28 16:56:10 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:56:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Revamped Setlist Message-ID: No heart eating here pops I have seen them do Subhuman live but damn that was 20+ years ago. Maybe they figured the Feet/Knees version was as good as it gets. I'd love to hear them try it now. Also seen/heard - Golden Age of Leather and Lips in the Hill. No real desire to hear WotT but damn I would get on my knees and bow for Teen Archer. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 28 17:02:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:02:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: and you point is... Message-ID: >y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) and your point is? 'Sides everyone knows Theo spends his money on geetar gadgets and Rush anti-inflamatory medication. Ghost in the Ruins Who is midly surprised Kevin Bacon's look-a-like does not have WoM in the player. From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 17:18:27 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:18:27 PDT Subject: Raj Neesh Message-ID: Trevor wrote the majority of Raj Neesh. Nik wrote the talk over in the middle. Trveor credited the rest of the band for reasons "'too complex to explain to explain" he says. Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dawa at INTCON.NET Tue Apr 28 17:42:16 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:42:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >IMHO the recording of WOTT sounds like it was recorded in a tin can or a men's room. I think WotT sounds pretty good compared to say Paranoid by Black Sabbath or British Steel by Judas Priest... now those were pretty bad. Dawa -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1317 bytes Desc: not available URL: From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 28 17:50:54 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:50:54 PDT Subject: INNER CITY UNIT LINEUP Message-ID: The bass player is currently Terry Horbury who is ex-Ozzy Osbourne, Dirty Tricks, & Vardis. Otherwise the same as "Now....." Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Apr 28 18:32:56 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:32:56 EDT Subject: BOC: Revamped Setlist Message-ID: Adrian, Buck promised a few of us that he would put Teen Archer back in the set list. chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 28 15:43:17 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:43:17 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > >I've never seen them play 'Golden Age'. Actually, I've seen them play Golden Age twice in the past few years...both times during Buck-heavy sets while Eric was having that mysterious trouble with his voice. -- Nick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Apr 28 20:02:11 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:02:11 +0200 Subject: and you point is... Message-ID: Da Ghost writes....: > >y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any > Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) > > and your point is? It should have been that 270 minute set of rare Y&T demos I have? > 'Sides everyone knows Theo spends his money on geetar gadgets and Rush > anti-inflamatory medication. The latter which is contraband merchandise outside of Holland, according to the priests of Larynx. > Ghost in the Ruins > > Who is midly surprised Kevin Bacon's look-a-like does not have WoM in > the player. Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. Chr. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Apr 28 19:59:49 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:59:49 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_FW:_B=D6C_at_the_Astoria?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17:06 22/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <000801bd6e01$df159c40$693f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham > writes >>> >>> ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** >>> > >Another comic reference! > >a No-Prize to whoever says where it's from... >-- >Jon > > DR & Quinch of course (as any fule kno) That's why our cat was christened Marlon! ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Apr 28 20:04:49 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:04:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm always game for throwing a spanner in other people's musical gears - assuming I get another tape deck in time: mine stayed home when I moved out ;.( The down side would be that my vinyl is still in storage.... ChrisW NP: Future Sound of London's "Dead Cities" "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Apr 28 21:02:34 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:02:34 -0400 Subject: SpaceRock Alert! B0RN to G0 - NJ gig Saturday 2nd May 1998 Message-ID: Hiya, Sci-Fi fans and Music Fans Alike, **You have been Warned** B0RN to G0 will be playing Strange Daze 98 which will *NOT* be at Brushwood! Go here for details of the new venue: If you didn't make it to Strange Daze 97, then you simply have to make the effort to get to SD 98. Headliners are (Friday) PRESSUREHED and (Saturday) HAWKWIND! * ! * ! URGENT NEWS FLASH ! * ! * We will be SpaceRockin' in NJ this Saturday at CONNECTIONS 503 Van Houten Avenue, Clifton, NJ 07055 (973) 473 3127 We will be playing with our good buddies SUPERTHRIVE who are awesome, and we should be on stage at 10PM. This will ROCK! More info on B0RN to G0: In Space we Trust! Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 28 23:06:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:06:28 +0000 Subject: tBS/BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tis 28 apr 1998 15.20 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Al and Deb DO alternate the lines from D&S during the live tBS show, > but I can't remember who sings which part... Well, they only started playing it after I left the States! I've got a tape from a concert somewhere ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 00:51:44 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:51:44 PDT Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: >>>it means two less hours driving for me, and two more for those >>>in Toronto, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, etc., etc. Hey, but >>>what's two hours more on top of 10 or 12, right?? >>> >>>See ya' there! Keith H. (FAA) >> >>Fuck you! >> >> >> > >WTF? oh dear...that wasn't too clever i guess. Sorry about that :) I wasn't being serious at all, merely expressing my discontent at this unfortunate news... I had my my heart set on attending SD this year after my disastrous attempt to get there last time...As if 850miles wasn't enough already, i guess another 400 or 500 won't matter as much if I can get my brother's car, though any other method of transportation is now well outside the realm of possibility. "USE YOUR WHEELS! IT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR!" ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From micci at SCI.FI Wed Apr 29 03:53:07 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:53:07 +0300 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: Hi! Guy wrotes: >"Pass Out" was issued on CD a few years back with some bonus live trax (mostly >HW covers). > Bonus track?s are: paint your windows demo version spirit of the age live bones of elvis live rock n roll live space invaders demo zodiac live stonehenge live costa del dub live Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 28 12:37:12 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:37:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <2505231628041998/A06523/LNMV02/11C4E4170400*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <2505231628041998/A06523/LNMV02/11C4E4170400*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes > >OK, "Convoy" is rather average, but I rather like "Stop the City", and is IMO a >classic track. "In the Temple, the big skate-boarder, zig-zags through the law and order!" Lyrically, Nik at his mystic best, I reckon. "Spaceships, oh, you silver needles!" >The reason that I never enthused about Maximum Effect, is that >it was a bit of a shock after Sphinx and HW - it took a full 4 ICU LP's before >I could cope! - hence why I suppose I prefer New Anatomy! I still don't have a copy of Maximum Effect. Hardly a day goes past when I don't wring my hands and gnash my teeth. I would have to concur that musically, New Anatomy is the weakest ICU album. This is saying nothing, however. > >Actually, somebody should release a "Best of ICU" as there is probably a really >good 75minutes worth of ICU trax - lets face facts here! I think I would prefer >to listen to 75 mins of ICU highlights than struggle through 4 or 5 LPs and a >few EPs. Um, disagree. In fact, they should all be re-mastered, fattened up with demos, lives, remixes and out-takes etc. > >One of all time best ICU trax is Raj Neesh - don't know why, but its a great >song. Even my mate Michael (who ONLY listens to Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth >etc.) reckons that it is a GREAT track. He even came to Dingwalls in London >with me in 1985, to see ICU, on the strength of that track and loved the gig. > >If I recall, Simon Houses' band supported that night - no violins though! NO! I didn't know that! I was at the bar!!!! bugger! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 04:35:02 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:35:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <3582066686.552777881@technolink.org> Message-ID: In article <3582066686.552777881 at technolink.org>, Olivier Boigey writes >Other point has anybody tried to convert the Spectrum program (from New >Anatomy) for Mac or PC ? > >Olivier I could never get it to run in the first place! -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 05:55:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:55:17 PDT Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 Message-ID: ChrisW said...... >I'm always game for throwing a spanner in other people's musical >gears - Heh heh heh. OK, now I believe you could be a candidate for Mad Scientist of the Month. >NP: Future Sound of London's "Dead Cities" That confirms it. And this TFSOL admission means we're not living in the past on this list. Amen to that. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 04:37:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:37:32 +0100 Subject: OFF : Oranges In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980429005949.007f6420@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980429005949.007f6420 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >DR & Quinch of course (as any fule kno) > >That's why our cat was christened Marlon! > >ChrisW Well done, Chris. Sadly Mike W. answered by e-mail a few days ago. A valiant 2nd. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 07:28:14 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:28:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >> The sound _is_ a bit thin. Certainly by modern standards, but >> there were beefier sounding recordings in 1970 too ... > > Hmmm. I always use Black Sabbath _Black Sabbath_ as a yard stick, and I > think the only difference would be in the style of mix rather than the > quality of sound, I mean, all the sounds are there, the clarity's > there.... Well, I am, after all, making as aesthetic judgement on the final sound--which I find a bit anemic on the early BOC recordings. IMO, the style of mix is pretty lame compared to, say, that on _Black Sabbath_, which is much fuller. BOC starts getting much better mixes towards the end of the 70s when, ironically, I start liking the _music_ less consistently :) And despite my reservations about the production on _CC_, I liked the fact that a song like "O.D.'D on Life Itself" now had a little meat on its bones. I love "Stairway to the Stars" :) But the mix on the first album is really lifeless, IMO, whether Buck wanted it that way or not! One does not feel like the band are standing just on the other side of the speakers when you play it, which is what I consider the ideal sound of a recording :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 07:12:24 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:12:24 PDT Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > One does >not feel like the band are standing just on the other side of the speakers >when you play it, which is what I consider the ideal sound of a recording >:) > >Cheers, >Carl > Okay, I'm walking around in circles scratching my head about this one. I wish I had a CD player in work. Now I am definitely going up tonite to listen to these 2 CD's really f***in' loud. Just so I can get this thing cleared up in my own head - I've never listened to them back2back before. Hmmmmm. Thought mode - deafen brain for optimum results. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 06:35:22 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:35:22 +0100 Subject: and you point is... In-Reply-To: <199804290007.CAA21377@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804290007.CAA21377 at online.no>, reset3xKO writes >Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. > >Chr. I resent that. I look more like Jayne Mansfield in ermine twinset and pearls. Slippers by Gucci. -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 29 08:49:20 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:49:20 PDT Subject: and your point is... Message-ID: >From: Jon Browne >In article <199804290007.CAA21377 at online.no>, reset3xKO > writes >>Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. >> >>Chr. > >I resent that. I look more like Jayne Mansfield in ermine twinset and >pearls. Slippers by Gucci. >-- >Jon > Ooohh, can I nuzzle you?? Whisper Hoarsely??? Ssssshhhhh. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 09:28:25 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:28:25 +0100 Subject: OFF : Oranges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I assumed Marlon was from The Perishers :-) Dave. At 09:37 29/04/98 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >In article <3.0.5.32.19980429005949.007f6420 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >Warburton writes >>DR & Quinch of course (as any fule kno) >> >>That's why our cat was christened Marlon! >> >>ChrisW > >Well done, Chris. > >Sadly Mike W. answered by e-mail a few days ago. > >A valiant 2nd. >-- >Jon > Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 29 09:46:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:46:34 -0400 Subject: and you point is... Message-ID: >>Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. LOL. Actually, I've been told (by my mother no less) that Kevin and I look a bit alike. There was a poster of some movie he was in riding on a bicycle about 10 years ago - and I gotta admit it did look a bit like me. Scary... John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Apr 29 09:47:05 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:47:05 +0800 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: >You're forgetting the brilliant _The Maximum Effect_! > >> Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! > >Really? Drum machine, "Convoy", and all? I'd put it last! > My favourite one was originally The President's Tapes, but I'm also now rather fond of Passout. William From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 29 10:31:18 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:31:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Theo & HW Tapes Message-ID: Da Ghost writes....: > >y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin any > Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) > > and your point is? >It should have been that 270 minute set of rare Y&T demos I have? Howls! Theo's band could probably use the "covers". Hey do you have these ( Y&T) BTW? > 'Sides everyone knows Theo spends his money on geetar gadgets and Rush > anti-inflamatory medication. >The latter which is contraband merchandise outside of Holland, according to the priests of Larynx. More big hairy Howls! > Ghost in the Ruins > > Who is midly surprised Kevin Bacon's look-a-like does not have WoM in > the player. >Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. As Ted and AgentOF can attest not me, but I'd love too. No there is a young man who hangs around here who does resemble KB quite a bit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Buck promised a few of us that he would put Teen Archer back in the set list. chuck Wonder if this will be in time for the Big Flats gig? Would be nice to hear this number live. Ghost In the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 29 11:23:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:23:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Theo & HW Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Buck promised a few of us that he would put Teen Archer back in the set list. > chuck > > Wonder if this will be in time for the Big Flats gig? Would be nice to > hear this number live. > > Ghost In the Ruins AB, You going to Big Flats? What brings you up to tundra-land? Brian, did you say if you're going to Bevis Frond fri. night? theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 29 11:33:27 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:33:27 +0200 Subject: Theo & HW Tapes Message-ID: > > > >y'know, I sent Theo 3 x 90 tapes of Hawkwind stuff - but he ain't buyin > any > > Hawkwind CDs (I think)! ;) > > > > and your point is? > > >It should have been that 270 minute set of rare Y&T demos I have? > > Howls! Theo's band could probably use the "covers". Hey do you have > these ( Y&T) BTW? Why, of course I do - does mr. Bacon look like a liar to you? Eh? You calling me a liar, Kevin? Eh? Eh? Well you are right dammit, I don't have them - they sucked so bad I taped a buncha HW stuff over em - and - you are right - sent them to a certain mr. Bacon in Syracuse! > >The latter which is contraband merchandise outside of Holland, according to > the priests of Larynx. > > More big hairy Howls! Sorta highly pitched Geddy-esque howls emanating from the much revered and masculine organ, the larynx, no doubt? No, wait, Geddy's sounds like he's got a syrinx, all girly-chirpy and birdlike in my ears - there! XAAANADUUUUUU!!! Begone! No wait, hawks... Hawkwind... go birdyhop-hopalong too... evil syrinx siren songs... BEGONE... no... Mr. Bacon is leaving the building... STAY AWAY, devilchild!!!!! arghhhhh...!! MADNESS!!! Sheer synaptic breakfast of champions... ssssizzzssleeKRISP... mr. Swann, the anti-Bacon has entered. Ah, much better, saner, cleaner, correct and perfectly sublimely sane in the least Bacon sort of way. Fried eggs, sunny side up, and scrambled eggs begone instantly. I'm ok, you're ok- Chr. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 09:38:48 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:38:48 +0100 Subject: and your point is... In-Reply-To: <19980429124920.19273.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980429124920.19273.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >Ooohh, can I nuzzle you?? Whisper Hoarsely??? Ssssshhhhh. > >Chris. Of course not! What kind of a girl do you take me for? You haven't even bought me dinner! -- Jon From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 29 13:21:24 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:21:24 GMT Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <199804290753.KAA19730@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: Subtle corrections.. >Passout Bonus track?s are: >paint your windows demo version Actually just a subtle remix of the normal album version.. >spirit of the age live (ICU Mk2 Salford) >bones of elvis live (ICU Mk2 Salford) >rock n roll live (Chats Palace) (Jonny B Goode re-titled to avoid copyright problems.. ahem..) >space invaders demo Erm.. this ones live.. ICU Mk1 with Trev.. >zodiac live Straight forward album version. >stonehenge live Straight forward album version. >costa del dub live Fred did this in his shed.. I like it.. :) -Steve From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Apr 29 13:43:12 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:43:12 +0100 Subject: HW: another compliation Message-ID: Have I been not paying attention, or has no-one else mentioned another HW compilation? It is called Silver Machine, and isn't the same as the other one. The cover is a computerised b+w of the lineup with bridget and harvey sitting down. I got mine for 2.99 at HMV. It is released by Hallmark (308412) and has the tracks Hurry on Sundown, Space is Deep, Motorhead, Magnu/Angels of death, We do it, British tribal music, ghost dance, world of tiers, urban Guerilla, Earth Calling, Silver machine (live). It looks as if it is bits of the acid daze trilogy with the SM single. Running time 59'10". It contains the phrase 'This Album contains tracks that are re-recorded' which speaks for itself. Mike w p.s I cannot remember if Jill said she liked the Pink Fairies' 'No picture', and as she appears to be the only other person who still buys new twink stuff I still stand by my warning against it. As Philosophical Phil said back in October 1996 "Let's face it, you couldn't really call it the Fairies without Larry." and it ain't got Larry. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 29 14:07:02 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:07:02 +0200 Subject: and your point is... Message-ID: > >Chris. > Of course not! What kind of a girl do you take me for? > You haven't even bought me dinner! > -- > Jon Hey, want a kebab? Chr. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Apr 29 15:30:13 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:30:13 -0700 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) Message-ID: on Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:43:12 +0100, M S Wright wrote: >p.s I cannot remember if Jill said she liked the Pink Fairies' 'No >picture', and as she appears to be the only other person who still buys >new twink stuff I still stand by my warning against it. As Philosophical >Phil said back in October 1996 "Let's face it, you couldn't really call it >the Fairies without Larry." and it ain't got Larry. Does this mean that 'NeverNeverLand' and 'What a Bunch of Sweeties' aren't "real" Pink Fairies albums!?!?! I would beg to differ! Much as I love 'Kings of Oblivion' (and the "Screwed Up" EP), I think that the first two albums are the "core" PF recordings. And the two tracks on 'Glastonbury Fayre' blow away the 'Live at the Roundhouse' LP. Of course, I'll admit that I haven't yet heard either 'Pleasure Island' or 'No Picture' ... I'm kinda wary of any new Twink stuff, and I've heard mixed opinions ... but are they really worse than 'Kill 'em and Eat 'em'? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Apr 29 15:49:17 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:17 -0700 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: on Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:09:30 +0000, LN1GJT spake thusly: >"Watching the Grass Grow" was the first two ICU albums. >The first was titled "Pass Out", and the second LP was "Punkadelic" - quite >a good album really! As someone else mentioned, "Punkadelic" was the third ICU LP, but I believe that some of it pre-dates 'Passout'. I'm not quite sure what my favorite ICU album is, but I know it's not "New Anatomy"! "Stonehenge Who Knows", "Bones of Elvis", "Raj Neesh", "Watching The Grass Grow", "Blood & Bone", and "God Disco" are all classic tracks IMO, and I think that covers just about every ICU release. >Let's face it though, "Watching the Grass Grow" has appeared in so many >different places now that I, for one, have lost track of the number of >versions out there. It's probably my favorite song from the 83/84 Hawkwind repertoire! >I heard a rumour that the version on "Prophets of Time" was recorded as an >instumental in the States by the various members of Pressurehead, and Nik >did the sax and vocals over here in the UK - is this true of the entire LP? This is true of both the 'Prophets of Time' and 'Sphynx' (remake) CD's on Cleopatra ... Tommy Grenas verified this around the time that 'Prophets' came out (although he asked me to not mention this fact until after the Space Ritual tour, so that people would have a chance to hear what the band _really_ sounded like). And yeah, as Steve P said, the songwriting credits on 'Prophets' bear about as much resemblance to reality as those on 'The Business Trip' ("Nuclear Waste" wasn't even co-written by Nik, or anyone in ICU for that matter!). Has anyone actually seen Trev's ICU yet? How's 'bout posting a review for those of us in the States who'll probably never have the chance ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 29 17:59:59 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:59:59 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! Message-ID: Hmm. In the liner notes to a ho-hum Cleopatra Kraftwerk (75-78) comp its mentioned that Dave Brock of Hawkwind wrote the liner notes to the first Neu! lp- is this true?? I only have the Germanophon CD which is probably lifted off the original German graphics so... That album came out in late 71/72 (UK) prior to Hawkwind going 'big' and I am a little intrigued by the Hawkwind->Neu!->Kraftwerk connection... can anyone confirm this? If so type it out too? :) Chr. From adawson at CLARA.NET Wed Apr 29 18:36:04 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:36:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! In-Reply-To: <199804292205.AAA13305@online.no> Message-ID: At 23:59 29/04/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hmm. In the liner notes to a ho-hum Cleopatra Kraftwerk (75-78) comp its >mentioned that Dave Brock of Hawkwind wrote the liner notes to the first >Neu! lp- is this true?? I only have the Germanophon CD which is probably >lifted off the original German graphics so... That album came out in late >71/72 (UK) prior to Hawkwind going 'big' and I am a little intrigued by >the Hawkwind->Neu!->Kraftwerk connection... can anyone confirm this? If so >type it out too? :) > >Chr. > > This is certainly correct. The liner notes are as follows Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother are both former members of Kraftwerk who broke up away from the very successful German group in August 1971 (On live appearances Eberhard Krahnemann also late of Kraftwerk joins the group). They chose the name NEU (new) deliberately to attract attention as with any make of detergent or household product although of course they would admit themselves that there is nothing completely "new" in music. Klaus and Michael borrowed money from various people in order to finance this first record themselves, and altogether it took four nights in Hamburgs Windrose studios to complete, with the help of Conny Plank who also engineered the two Kraftwerk albums. Luckily, and deservedly, the album turned out to be a critical and financial success in Germany and made Neu one of the top three bands alongside Amon Duul II and The Can. On this first album "Neu" decided to stick to a multi-instrumental format using voices only as an extra instrument. As for the future the group says "we make no premature fixing of style, as we are very dependent on situations and circumstances" so we must just wait and see. By the way, you can write to the group at:- NEU 4 Dusseldorf, in Grund 3b Germany P.S Dont forget international reply coupon as the group will answer themselves when they can Dave Brock (Hawkwind) As far as i know the liner notes are only on the vinyl release and not on any CD's. Cant remember much about the music as it's quite a few years since I played it. In fact I only bought it for the liner notes. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Apr 29 19:17:48 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:17:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! Message-ID: Wow! Ask and you shall receive! Andrew Dawson writes: > Dave Brock > (Hawkwind) > > As far as i know the liner notes are only on the vinyl release and not on > any CD's. Neu! CDs are so far only pirates by Germanophon (I have Neu! and Neu!75) AFAIK (I don't know about the much derided recent Neu! 4)- > Cant remember much about the music as it's quite a few years since I played > it. In > fact I only bought it for the liner notes. Please slap it on de taple and spin Hallogallo over and over and over and over and over and over and over...! Its the most brutally simple piece of wonderfully drawn out, droning motoric minimalist spacey rock with subtle guitar shifts occuring along its boom-waka-waka-wak amphetamine spacewalk rhythmic spine... Its as generic and stark as the album cover and 100% guaranteed satisfactory. Like rock'n'roll from the supermarket, just add water or something. I spin it only when I don't know what to spin. The 10 minute Hallogallo is worth the album alone. Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 29 19:26:56 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:26:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape Trade of 1993 for 1998 In-Reply-To: <19980429095517.18235.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 02:55 29/04/98 PDT, you wrote: >ChrisW said...... >>I'm always game for throwing a spanner in other people's musical >>gears - > >Heh heh heh. OK, now I believe you could be a candidate for Mad >Scientist of the Month. > >>NP: Future Sound of London's "Dead Cities" > >That confirms it. And this TFSOL admission means we're not living in >the past on this list. Amen to that. > Peple think that Andy's evil heh, heh, heh.... Maybe you all ought to cross your fingers that I DON'T get tape equipment sorted out *snort, guffaw, chortle snigger* ChrisW ObOneExtremeToAnother: NP:"On The Boards" - Taste "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 29 17:49:41 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:49:41 +0100 Subject: OFF : Oranges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:37 29/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <3.0.5.32.19980429005949.007f6420 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >Warburton writes >>DR & Quinch of course (as any fule kno) >> >>That's why our cat was christened Marlon! >> >>ChrisW > >Well done, Chris. > >Sadly Mike W. answered by e-mail a few days ago. > >A valiant 2nd. >-- >Jon > That's 'coz I'm a few days behind with my eMail.... But why should anybody else care...*sob* ChrisW ObCD: Quicksilver Messenger Service - Happy Trails "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 29 19:29:01 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:29:01 +0100 Subject: and you point is... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:35 29/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <199804290007.CAA21377 at online.no>, reset3xKO > writes >>Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. >> >>Chr. > >I resent that. I look more like Jayne Mansfield in ermine twinset and >pearls. Slippers by Gucci. >-- >Jon I can vouch for that... I've no idea what I look like, I can't bear to look in a mirror... ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 29 19:33:43 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:33:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <147331.3102838094@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl wrote: > I love "Stairway to the Stars" :) But the mix on the first album is >really lifeless, IMO, whether Buck wanted it that way or not! One does >not feel like the band are standing just on the other side of the speakers >when you play it, which is what I consider the ideal sound of a recording >:) "Stairway" was a standout at my first BOC gig (Manchester Free Trade Hall, Late '75/Early '76) but I could hardly believe it was the same song on album - I think "lifeless" sums up the recording perfectly...still love the first album...any chance they'd play "Transmaniacon MC" at the Astoria *sigh* ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 29 19:36:56 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:36:56 +0100 Subject: OFF : Oranges In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980429142825.00e90a70@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co. uk> Message-ID: At 14:28 29/04/98 +0100, you wrote: >I assumed Marlon was from The Perishers :-) > >Dave. Close, but no cigar.. > >At 09:37 29/04/98 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >>In article <3.0.5.32.19980429005949.007f6420 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >>Warburton writes >>>DR & Quinch of course (as any fule kno) >>> >>>That's why our cat was christened Marlon! >>> >>>ChrisW >> >>Well done, Chris. >> >>Sadly Mike W. answered by e-mail a few days ago. >> >>A valiant 2nd. >>-- I never saw Mike W's mail ???? Nearly caught up now...I've read/processed over 200 mails tonight and I'm completely bug-eyed (who said mad scientist?) ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 04:04:35 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:04:35 +0100 Subject: and your point is... In-Reply-To: <199804291811.UAA06266@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804291811.UAA06266 at online.no>, reset3xKO writes >> >Chris. >> Of course not! What kind of a girl do you take me for? >> You haven't even bought me dinner! >> -- >> Jon > >Hey, want a kebab? > >Chr. Yeah. Come on, then. You silver tounged charmer, you. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 04:05:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:05:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980429233604.008831c0@clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19980429233604.008831c0 at clara.net>, Andrew Dawson writes >Cant remember much about the music as it's quite a few years since I played >it. It is a piece of brilliance. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Apr 30 00:38:42 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:38:42 +0000 Subject: tBS: Grrl Power Message-ID: The first time I heard Brain Surgeons, I thought the Deb-sung songs had a bit of an alternative bent to them. Even the more straight-ahead rockers would work in today's market of angry 'chick rockers'. My question: Have the Surgeons ever tried to release a tune anywhere? If so, was it to rock or alternative radio? Deb can be as angry and vile as Courtney Love in her sleep, plus she can actually sing, too! And doesn't she have ties with 'Rolling Stone'? I would think Brain Surgeons could get more exposure, and I'd like to see it. -- Nick From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 04:59:26 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:59:26 +0100 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980429123013.007c9cf0@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Doug Pearson wrote: > Of course, I'll admit that I haven't yet heard either 'Pleasure Island' or > 'No Picture' ... I'm kinda wary of any new Twink stuff, and I've heard > mixed opinions ... but are they really worse than 'Kill 'em and Eat 'em'? > Completely and utterly. K+E has tunes and musicians, PI & NP have tracks and people with instruments. Mike 'somewhat bitter and twisted' wright From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 30 06:02:19 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:02:19 +0200 Subject: and your point is... Message-ID: > >Hey, want a kebab? > > > >Chr. > > Yeah. > > Come on, then. > > You silver tounged charmer, you. > -- > Jon Hey, you know you want it. Hold the cucumber? Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 06:36:50 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:36:50 PDT Subject: and your point is... Message-ID: >> >Hey, want a kebab? >> > >> >Chr. >> >> Yeah. >> >> Come on, then. >> >> You silver tounged charmer, you. >> -- >> Jon > > >Hey, you know you want it. Hold the cucumber? > >Chr. > No, it'll feel so much better if you hold it. Ahem. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 04:10:39 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:10:39 +0100 Subject: OFF : Oranges In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980430003656.007dda10@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980430003656.007dda10 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >I never saw Mike W's mail ???? by e-mail as opposed to posting to list. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 04:08:38 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:08:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! In-Reply-To: <199804292322.BAA07334@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804292322.BAA07334 at online.no>, reset3xKO writes >"Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." When my shop was burgled, my original 1880 edition of Dante's Inferno illustrated by Dore was theived. :-( I've also had a copy of Dore's London. Scary Genius. -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 30 07:40:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:40:33 EDT Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980430003343.008589c0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: >> From: Chris Warburton > > Carl wrote: > > I love "Stairway to the Stars" :) But the mix on the first album is > >really lifeless, IMO, whether Buck wanted it that way or not! One does > >not feel like the band are standing just on the other side of the speakers > >when you play it, which is what I consider the ideal sound of a recording > >:) > > "Stairway" was a standout at my first BOC gig (Manchester Free Trade Hall, > Late '75/Early '76) but I could hardly believe it was the same song on > album - I think "lifeless" sums up the recording perfectly...still love the > first album...any chance they'd play "Transmaniacon MC" at the Astoria *sigh* > I think the sound quality on the first album may have been intentionally 'ambiguous,' to highlight the sense of mystery conveyed by a lot of the lyrics. That first record still sounds pretty spooky all these years later. Maybe I should break down and get a first-rate system some day? theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 30 07:58:58 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:58:58 +0200 Subject: and your point is... Message-ID: Hoarse Whisperer writes: > > > >Hey, you know you want it. Hold the cucumber? > > > >Chr. > > > > No, it'll feel so much better if you hold it. > Ahem. "So you ard saying you wand cucumberd on that kabob misterd? Hot, medium or mild sauce sir?" -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 30 08:04:42 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:04:42 +0200 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! Message-ID: > I've also had a copy of Dore's London. Scary Genius. > -- > Jon ...and how the hell did he find the TIME? ObOnTopic: Profits of Time. Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Apr 30 04:30:06 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:30:06 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > I think the sound quality on the first album may have been > intentionally 'ambiguous,' to highlight the sense of mystery conveyed > by a lot of the lyrics. That first record still sounds pretty spooky > all these years later. Maybe I should break down and get a > first-rate system some day? > > theo I've always thought the recording of most BOC albums was crappy in some way...in the sense that they are probably one of the hardest bands in history to decipher lyrically. I'm sure much of this comes from the bizarre lyrics themselves...but I've always felt that the words were kinda muddled. As such, having never read any actual lyrics, official or otherwise, I've had to make up many of my own while singing along over the years. Ironically, I think the singing on Heaven Forbid is probably the easiest to understand of all BOC albums (with the possible exception of CN), and yet this is the ONE disc that contains printed words! Oh, the humanity! -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 08:25:21 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:25:21 +0100 Subject: and your point is... In-Reply-To: <199804301209.OAA15310@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804301209.OAA15310 at online.no>, reset3xKO writes >"So you ard saying you wand cucumberd on that kabob misterd? Hot, medium or >mild sauce sir?" lemon juice, please, no chilli. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 08:27:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:27:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! In-Reply-To: <199804301209.OAA15384@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199804301209.OAA15384 at online.no>, reset3xKO writes >...and how the hell did he find the TIME? They didn't have Usenet. -- Jon From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 09:31:20 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:31:20 +0100 Subject: OFF:Wahey! Message-ID: Wahey.. I'm going to see GONG in Paris in a couple of weeks!! No Tim Blake though.... ;-) Has anyone managed to hear the Sisters of Mercy cover of Silver Machine yet? I'm still searching for a bootleg with it on :-( eldritch From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 30 09:54:38 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:54:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >I think the sound quality on the first album may have been intentionally 'ambiguous,' to highlight the sense of mystery conveyed by a lot of the lyrics. That first record still sounds pretty spooky all these years later. Well, the first record was done on 8-track, so that may have something to do with it. My guess is that budgetary and technology restraints, and the fact that really heavy mixes that we hear on CDs today were pretty much non-existant back then had more to do with it. The first record DOES still sound good, but it's more a reflection of the music itself, I think, and not the mix/sound quality. John From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Apr 30 10:05:53 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:05:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock & Neu! Message-ID: >From: reset3xKO >Neu! CDs are so far only pirates by Germanophon (I have Neu! and Neu!75) >AFAIK (I don't know about the much derided recent Neu! 4)- Correct about the CD versions of the first three albums being pirates. Can't really call _Neu! 4_ a pirate as this is its first release. I think we have to call it a legitimate release as it was done with the full cooperation of Klaus Dinger, one half of Neu!. Shame he didn't check with the other half first, though. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 30 11:02:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:02:40 PDT Subject: OFF:Wahey! Message-ID: >Has anyone managed to hear the Sisters of Mercy cover of Silver Machine >yet? > >I'm still searching for a bootleg with it on :-( > >eldritch > But you played on it - just ask your record company for a copy. sighs. HW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Apr 30 11:35:01 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:35:01 -0400 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: >>tBS now has: "ETBM". Therefor I predict the next album will have a >>name starting with a vowel. Possibilities: > >As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have subtitles for >the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) Power Drill Pituitary Pill Box Probable Title Pita Pocket Poughkeepsie Afternoon Anyone else want to take a shot? Brian obP-CD> Projekct Two - "Space Groove" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2196 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 13:39:44 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:39:44 +0100 Subject: OFF:Wahey! In-Reply-To: eldritch's message of Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:31:20 +0100 Message-ID: eldritch writes: > Wahey.. > > I'm going to see GONG in Paris in a couple of weeks!! make sure *which* Gong you are going to see - if it's the original line up reformation then it should be fun! Mind you - like Hawkwind you can never really be sure in advance exactly who is going to be on stage until the show begins. enjoy jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 30 13:55:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:55:42 -0400 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: >>As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have subtitles for >the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) Power Drill Pituitary Pill Box Probable Title Pita Pocket Poughkeepsie Afternoon Anyone else want to take a shot? O.K., I'll bite... Personal Hygiene Plasma Plastic Vomit Plenty of Music Pissing in the Alley Pseudopod Percussionists do it with Rhythm Proctology (tribute to the) Plasmatics O.K., enough of my crazy thoughts. So, Albert do I detect a double live album in the works here? ;-) John From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 30 13:46:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:46:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist Message-ID: >>Everybody looks like Kevin Bacon. >LOL. Actually, I've been told (by my mother no less) that Kevin and I look a bit alike. There was a poster of some movie he was in riding on a bicycle about 10 years ago - and I gotta admit it did look a bit like me. Scary... John A bit like Kevin Bacon? Be honest John you really are Kevin Bacon. 8>) Theo>AB, You going to Big Flats? What brings you up to tundra-land? Moi? No sir, sorry if my post gave you that impression. Would love to, just can't. I only have one concert pass left for 1998 and I'm planning on using that for the Savatage show at Jaxx in June. Hoping that nobody really good comes to this burg after June or I'm S-O-L. Hopefully you or Torgo will make it and let me know how TA sounded if they play it. I lost the address to Miles KB website so I don't know the tour information. Exactly when is the Big Flats gig? >Heh heh heh. OK, now I believe you could be a candidate for Mad Scientist of the Month. "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBonthelookoutfor - The new Trans Siberian Orchestra Album. Band is prepping to hit the studio this summer. Never to early to be looking for good music. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Apr 30 14:00:08 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:00:08 +0200 Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!) Message-ID: Oh, maybe I have totally misunderstood the smiler system (or maybe Your taste) but >I'm going to see GONG in Paris in a couple of weeks!! > >No Tim Blake though.... ;-) Shouldn't that be: No Tim Blake though... <: ^( or??? Kenneth ObKM: Kenneth Magnusson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 mailto:bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 30 14:02:59 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:02:59 +0100 Subject: HW: another compliation In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > It looks as if it is bits of the acid daze trilogy with the SM single. > > Running time 59'10". It contains the phrase 'This Album contains tracks > that are re-recorded' which speaks for itself. yep - sounds as if legal moves have started to get rid of this lot. Doesn't seem to be working 8-( > p.s I cannot remember if Jill said she liked the Pink Fairies' 'No > picture', and as she appears to be the only other person who still buys > new twink stuff I still stand by my warning against it. As Philosophical Gosh - no - I protest!! I bought a couple of really crap ones early on and Twink has been sending me flyers ever since. I'd been steadily disposing of them into wastebaskets almost unread and certainly unremarked upon when this stunning review of 'Pleasure Island' appeared in the C&D catalogue. So... I couldn't resist and bought it from the shops next time I saw it - and - yes, I enjoyed the final track immensely. The rest of the tracks were fairly ordinary but the final track was about 20+ mins long and a fine solid long drawn out jam session with layers that built up steadily into a long climax with some nice guitar work over the top of some very sensible drumming. However apart from this I have bought and intend to buy nothing further no matter how many flyers Twink sends out - there may be the occasional flourish of genius around but most of the rest appears to be unstructured dross. obcaveat> IMO 8-) jill obtechnophobology> malevolent washing machines - especially ones that try to drown you 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 30 14:14:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:14:34 EDT Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Theo>AB, > You going to Big Flats? What brings you up to tundra-land? > > Moi? No sir, sorry if my post gave you that impression. Would love to, > just can't. I only have one concert pass left for 1998 and I'm planning > on using that for the Savatage show at Jaxx in June. Hoping that nobody > really good comes to this burg after June or I'm S-O-L. Hopefully you > or Torgo will make it and let me know how TA sounded if they play it. I > lost the address to Miles KB website so I don't know the tour > information. Exactly when is the Big Flats gig? > I believe it's 26 June. Been a bit of a dry spell for me. The tour sched. doesn't look too cool for this part of the US, but they're known for tossing in a gig here and there off the cuff, so maybe I'll see a couple more shows this summer. But if this means they're playing better gigs elsewhere, then I can live with it. How big are the venues they're doing in the UK? Also, does anyone have any details about BD's 'Business Trip' to Eur. to promote HF? theo From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Apr 30 14:27:19 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:27:19 +0100 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980429123013.007c9cf0@sirius.com> Message-ID: At 12:30 29/04/98 -0700, you wrote: >on Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:43:12 +0100, M S Wright >wrote: > >>p.s I cannot remember if Jill said she liked the Pink Fairies' 'No >>picture', and as she appears to be the only other person who still buys >>new twink stuff I still stand by my warning against it. As Philosophical >>Phil said back in October 1996 "Let's face it, you couldn't really call it >>the Fairies without Larry." and it ain't got Larry. > >Does this mean that 'NeverNeverLand' and 'What a Bunch of Sweeties' aren't >"real" Pink Fairies albums!?!?! I would beg to differ! Much as I love >'Kings of Oblivion' (and the "Screwed Up" EP), I think that the first two >albums are the "core" PF recordings. And the two tracks on 'Glastonbury >Fayre' blow away the 'Live at the Roundhouse' LP. Hear, hear! 'Kings of Oblivion' rocks, but I always thought it was a bit too 'shiny'. 'What a Bunch of Sweeties' is my personal fave, but the only one I possess is the Polydor comp. from that series with the 35mm tranny type pictures, but it does have 'The Snake' on it*grinnz*. I dimly remember being knocked out by the Glasto stuff, but it must be over 20 yrs. since I heard it.... Cheers, ChrisW NP: Click....Plop...Clunk (Yes, it's the snooker on TV) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 30 17:13:13 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:13:13 +0100 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980430192719.007e06c0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > Hear, hear! 'Kings of Oblivion' rocks, but I always thought it was a bit > too 'shiny'. > 'What a Bunch of Sweeties' is my personal fave, but the only one I possess > is the Polydor comp. from that series with the 35mm tranny type pictures, > but it does have 'The Snake' on it*grinnz*. I dimly remember > being knocked > out by the Glasto stuff, but it must be over 20 yrs. since I heard it.... _Sweeties_ is my fave too - esp "Walk Don't Run" (the old Ventures surf number)! Radio Birdman used to cover the Fairies' version... I think the two Glasto tracks are on this new _Golden Years_ comp on Cleopatra - that's the version of "Do It" that goes "don't rip me off - you'd better fuck off"... What a surprise a few years ago when seeing the Rollins Band at the ULU, and they start to play "Do It"! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham PS my holiday snaps are on http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham/iran/iran.htm, for those as might be interested... PPS to ChrisW - did you get my note re: BOC/MoR tickets?? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 30 17:13:12 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:13:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist In-Reply-To: <25C993315B3@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > see a couple more shows this summer. But if this means they're > playing better gigs elsewhere, then I can live with it. How big are > the venues they're doing in the UK? Well, they're playing precisely ONE venue in the UK, but the London Astoria is quite a decent size, couple of thousand or so. Obviously they're playing several dates in Germany! Which reminds me - the Mutton Birds are not only playing the very same night, but at the LA2, which is right next door. Wouldn't it be neat if they could do a combined version of "Reaper"? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:17:30 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:17:30 EDT Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: John Swartz quoted Albert B.- >As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have subtitles for >the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) I like John's "Power Drill". Also possible: -Prognosis: Immortality -Paper Masks, Power Chords -Phrosty the Wo-Man & Her Amazing Brain Surgeons -Physician Omega & His Amazing Brain Surgeons -Prescription for Deafness -Presenting the *Original* Saw Doctors However John, given the current situation I'd be surprised if it was anything but -Post-Op CB From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Apr 30 17:20:47 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:20:47 EDT Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: Whoops, "Power Drill" was actually Brian's. Sorry! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 16:07:01 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:07:01 +0100 Subject: Pink Faries: Kings of Oblivion Message-ID: Just as an annoucement: At long last, Kings of Oblivion is out on CD! Saw it today in Selectadisc at 12.99. -- Mark Edmonds From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Apr 30 17:50:36 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:50:36 -0700 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) Message-ID: on Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:13:13 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >Chris Warburton writes: >> Hear, hear! 'Kings of Oblivion' rocks, but I always thought it was a bit >> too 'shiny'. Yeah, Larry's guitar sound is too clean on that one; not like Rudolph's ultra-fuzzed tone (or even the sound on Shagrat's "Peppermint Flickstick" or "Steel Abortion"). >> 'What a Bunch of Sweeties' is my personal fave, but the only one I >> possess is the Polydor comp. from that series with the 35mm tranny type >> pictures, but it does have 'The Snake' on it*grinnz*. I dimly remember >> being knocked out by the Glasto stuff, but it must be over 20 yrs. since >> I heard it.... > >_Sweeties_ is my fave too - esp "Walk Don't Run" (the old Ventures surf >number)! Radio Birdman used to cover the Fairies' version... Have you ever heard this? It's listed (along with tons of other cool covers including 5 BOC songs) in the Vivien Johnson book, but it ain't on any of the bootlegs I have. It just sounds too cool ... (and a nice S&M vibe to the lyrics on that one - "we went up to her room/she hit me with a broom"). >I think the two Glasto tracks are on this new _Golden Years_ comp on >Cleopatra - that's the version of "Do It" that goes "don't rip me off - >you'd better fuck off"... That's the 'Glastonbury' version, all right! The other track from the comp is the 18-minute version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" - one of the alltime greatest over-the-top psychedelic guitar jams. >What a surprise a few years ago when seeing the Rollins Band at the ULU, >and they start to play "Do It"! I was working at a college/community radio station when the Rollins version came out, so I had to explain to everyone who the original was by ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Apr 30 17:54:31 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:54:31 -0700 Subject: Pink Faries: Kings of Oblivion Message-ID: In the words of, Mark Edmonds : >Just as an annoucement: At long last, Kings of Oblivion is out on CD! >Saw it today in Selectadisc at 12.99. About time! Actually, all 3 Polydor albums were released on CD in Japan about five years ago (I only have 'Sweeties', which does benefit from amusing lyrical transcriptions made by non-native English speakers), but have been out-of-print for some time now. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 30 18:16:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:16:23 +0100 Subject: PF's Larry & Paul (was: HW: another compliation) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980430145036.007cfe20@sirius.com> Message-ID: > >_Sweeties_ is my fave too - esp "Walk Don't Run" (the old Ventures surf > >number)! Radio Birdman used to cover the Fairies' version... > > Have you ever heard this? I wish! > It's listed (along with tons of other cool > covers including 5 BOC songs) in the Vivien Johnson book, but it ain't on > any of the bootlegs I have. It just sounds too cool ... (and a nice S&M > vibe to the lyrics on that one - "we went up to her room/she hit me with a > broom"). ...and then she said to me, baby, walk, don't run... you're gonna have some fun... You wouldn't have their version of "Radioactivity"???? That must be so unreal! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 30 18:16:24 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:16:24 +0100 Subject: Tape swap hullabaloo. #1 Problem In-Reply-To: <199804271720.SAA00670@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Oh, so Mlle Hardy is making the cut then ? I think we should > worry more about > good old Dwight being included ;-) > > > Tim > Perhaps not... I just finished side one, and I was in more of a snarling guitars/sex-and-violence sort of mood... Side two might be mellower. Or maybe it won't! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Apr 30 18:30:55 1998 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:30:55 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: New FAQ available on the archive Message-ID: Thanks to John for providing the list with the newest version of the BOC FAQ, which is now available at the archive ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/BOC_FAQ-3_0.TXT. YnSSHM, Ben From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu Apr 30 19:02:54 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:02:54 +0100 Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: ;-)))) Tactical abuse of the smiley system...long guilty of it I'm afraid.. It's the classic Gong line up minus blake/hillage but Moerlin is back... I've seen so many variations of Gong now it's ridiculous.. I saw them down in London for the 25th birthday party....with Tim Blake! 12 hours of Gong bands nearly killed me. I still can't force myself to like Mother Gong. eldritch obCd: a thunderstorm. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Apr 30 19:37:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:37:04 +0200 Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: eldritch sez: > I still can't force myself to like Mother Gong. "I am a tree" Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with."