From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Mon Sep 1 00:39:11 1997 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 00:39:11 -0400 Subject: NYC gig Message-ID: Hi all Hope by now you have visited the pic page for the gig: http://members.aol.com/corwyn1961/index.htm Yes the gig was great. There was just one layer of bodies btw me and the stage, as you can tell from the pics. And they were short people ( I am only 5 8 ) so I could see right over them. Alien Planetscapes played before the boys but after a really rotten band named bunny brain or some such nonsense. Alien Planetscapes were very good and I expect they will be popular with the faithful. Their unique sound revolves around a sax man who plays very discordantly. They play all instrumentals and someone near me said they reminded him of Ozric Tentacles, and I agree somewhat. I am lousy with set lists and that such, but I would say that we got a great Golden Void, Hassan I sabba, a very different Camera never lies, a fantastic Brainstorm, Sonic Attack and Love in Space. The new songs were good though I enjoyed the Reptiloid number the best of the new stuff. One of the new songs sounded more like standard, but good, metal than something particularly Hawkish but maybe if I heard it again I would think differently. Ron came onboard painted in white paint from his jeans to his chest and glowed purple in the Black Lights. They had difficulty getting going and in points during the show because the stage was so small. In fact Dave had to use a torch to get his midis and such going and ron kicked out one of his effects boxes accidentally at one point in the show. Over all this was a nearly religious experience for me as I have been a fan since I heard stuff from QSaC in '78 but had never seen the boys having missed them two years ago. I was one happy camper driving the three hours home from NYC to Albany NY, thought a little tone deaf......... I didn't know them at the time but Ron and Jerry were sitting at the back of the club during the first band (who were fairly good) (but I can't rem their name) I saw them but had no clue who they were untill I saw them on stage. And I had my CD booklet from Live Chronicles for autographs!!! Mr. Brock stated that Lemmy was not at the Festival because his manager wanted him flown First Class from Los Angeles to the tune of $1600, I don't know if that story is apocryphal or not, you can decide. Even though there were many technical "slow ups" I will call them during the show Dave was always smiling or laughing, I think that is the secret to his longevity. I think Ron was getting a little miffed with the whole thing but Jerry seemed unaffected by it. Mr. Chadwick was outstanding as expected. I met some Boc-L ers at the gig and I wanted to especially say hi to Chuck and Manny. When it was apparent that they were not going to play an encore I bolted out the door into the cool NYC air and didn't get a chance to say farewell to the folks I met so I hope this suffices. Jim Lasko did a superlative job of putting the mini tour together and kudos to him as well. Laterz Mike Habiby http://www.members.global2000.net/~corwyn/ From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Sep 1 03:11:22 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:11:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tim Rose Message-ID: Isn't it Jim Rose? Hawk on, Ola Nyberg Stockholm Sweden From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 1 07:29:29 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:29:29 +0100 Subject: HW: around and about Message-ID: After yesterday's traumatic news events from this side of the pond (and yes, whatever folk may say about her I do think Princess Di's death is a real sadness!) here's some much more mundane info I've heard about the Hawkwind uk tour: Hawkwind will definitely be playing at the Whitby Dracula Festival on 26-28 Sept weekend and therefore won't be at Oxford (I'm not sure what's happening to that date). Also, apparently the Garage venue in Glasgow has had its licence temporarily suspended because they were allowing far too many people in (the licence restricted them to about 500) and whether it'll be open again by October won't be known for a week or so yet. It's possible that another venue (such as Dundee) might offer to pick up this date if Glasgow falls through but this has yet to be decided on. Edinburgh still seems to be ok though and there are still tickets available for this one. Judging by a couple of reviews I've seen while lurking on the Porcupine Tree mailing list the Cubby Bear show seems to have been well received! Happy days jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Sep 1 13:00:56 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:00:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: Well folks, the US tour is over and virtually no one has posted anything regarding it. Where are the gig reviews etc.? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Sep 1 14:51:52 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Tonite's Impulse buy:)] Message-ID: -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Subject: Tonite's Impulse buy:) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 02:34:53 -0600 Size: 1355 URL: From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 1 19:49:42 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:49:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: just got home from strange daze. i gotta keep it brief cause as anyone who met me there can tell you, im seriously VEGGED. CONEY ISLAND HIGH the band played a decent set. but the sound was lousy. the band was pissed, and didnt do an encor. the set list was the same as the other shows. i was put in a foul temper by the dung-breathers who played the second set. largely due to that, and the pounding headache i got from them, and the lousy sound, i didnt enjoy the show very much. this was a lot of work put out the people who put it together, and i feel really bad for them because it was ruined by others. but, i will admit, my opinion of this show is probably a lot different from other people's. enough of that. it probably wouldn't be so harsh if i could pry my eyes open a little wider. STRANGE DAZE, F***ing _WOW_. the best U.S. show i have seen to date. no question. the entire festival was like a dream come true, but hawkwind WAS KILLER! lots of talk about it becomming an annual event, and dave made half a promise that lemmy would be there next year, provided they can get things together on a european tour. nik joined the band for a couple of tunes.lots of talk by the band about a new beginning. im sorry im too fried to go on right now. more later. for now, i'd like to thank bill and beverly stewart, who made the entire weekend possible for karyn and myself. words are not enough. and a heap of thanks go to the people who arranged the gigs, the one's who performed, and the one's who brought the extra spirit. like i said, more later. im crashi-... John Majka wrote: > Well folks, the US tour is over and virtually no one has posted anything > regarding it. Where are the gig reviews etc.? > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 1 23:28:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:28:29 +0000 Subject: HW: LiS EP... hmmmmmmmm Message-ID: from the Welcome To the Future sote..: ------ Love In Space>The new Hawkwind single entitled 'Love In Space' is due for release on 1st September 1997. More news of this release can be found on the Hawkwind News page(...........etc.) Collectors should note that the first production batch of the EP contains two errors which will be rectified in later pressings. The sleeve opening is on the wrong side and the back cover carries two catalogue numbers. ------- I know the LiS EP has been announced for ages, but I'm looking forward to it... But - is that last bit a piece of of...eh.. "advanced marketing"...? I'll look for the "fixed version" meself... Christian From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 1 22:50:23 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:50:23 PDT Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: >Hi folks >Is our favorite band playing in empty halls ??!? >I am wondering why the US fans are so quiet >More informations about the gigs are VERY WELCOME!!!! >>Bernhard hello Bernhard, i think the fans are so quiet is because they all went to Strange Daze 97 fest...and are just returning as i just this minute have.... the 8/29/97 NYC show was good as Ron had mentioned..and there were problems with the sound (you'll hear this on any tape of the show-you'll understand...) but the entire evening was a blast for me as i got to see 4 incredible bands...Hawkwind first & foremost but opening for them was Finally Balanced, Bunny Brains (gotta love em) and Alien Planetscapes (BB & AP both smouldered)...i had a great time..and i think most there also did... Captain Rizz joined HW for a few tracks and bounced around on stage. they played about a 90 minute gig.... STRANGE DAZE 97.... exceeded my wildest expectations...aside from the obviously outrageously excellent performances by Hawkwind & Nik Turner... Nik Joined HW on stage sunday night...then...played for 1/2 hour + after HW left the stage ...solo sax....the whole thing was fantastic...the other bands all ...and i exclude no one...all were A++++++.....and i believe all present at the event were blown away by not only the quality of the sound but the excellence of performances and how expertly organized the whole thing was.... more details.....later ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Sep 2 02:14:46 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:14:46 -0500 Subject: HW: us gigs Message-ID: Info from Strange Daze: First off thanks Jim for the great event! The grounds were great, really nice place for a muscic fest. Day 1, the bands I saw warm up were ok but didn't really thrill me except F/I, F/I was pretty good. Then Nik hit the Stage,WOW, Nik I think blew everybody away the entire weekend. I was worried when I saw in the afternoon, since he had a broken leg, but when he got on stage you couldn't even tell. He had a white face with black to hi-lite his eyes(but not the same as the last tour I saw him) and he was wearing some kind of rubber suit with horns sticking out of his back. It looked like he was from, well I don't know where. Also he had an alien and an astronaut dancer. The music was great too, his vocals were very high in the mix and very clear, really showed off how great he can sing. Tommy Grenas played with nik and the rest of the band I didn't recognize, but I guess they were "far flung". The band sounded great, one thing I noticed was the bassist didn't appear to know the intro to d-rider, at least he didn't play it. Day 2: Saw Dave walking around numerous times, I got to salute him once once, I think I snapped a few photos of him that will turn out. Hawkwind started at about 9:55pm started off with some pollution number sung by captain rizz(who I really don't know much about). It was ok but wasn't really what I thought it would be. They moved on to some better material; love in space, sonic attack, needle gun, reptile man?, and a few more which don't come right to mind know(little sleep last 3 days). Anyway the hi-lite of this show was when Dave asked Nik onstage to do part of Brainstorm and ejection(ejection was a 10). When is the last time these two shared a stage? Dave made a few funny remarks that seemed to ease things up a bit, like telling nik to make sure he plays that sax in tune this time. Hawkwinds light show was pretty cool, even though I guess they weren't able to bring their own over here. Lemmy didn't show, Dave said something about the flu and that lemmy promised to come for next years strange daze. I heard a different rumour but I guess I'll go with what Dave said. Anyway Hawkwind quit at about 11:05, this shocked me. They came back for an encore and quit for good at around 11:25pm. That really shocked me, only about 90 minutes, I expected a full 2 hours. After that fans were going nuts for another encore and didn't give up even when roadies began tearing down equipment 10 minutes later, finally they were rewarded when Nik came out and treated us to a 40 minute solo set of just him, utterly amazing fellow. Nik made a lot of people feel very happy. Again everything was very cool, especially taping (audio/video) being allowed, great being able to tape these gigs. Met a few list members too that was fun. Only complaint, F/I was called for an encore by the audience but the people in charge of such a thing said nope. Booh, not very nice. F/I was great and deserved an encore, not just because I liked them but the audience really wanted an encore. Anyway I'm starting to ramble and its hard to concentrate so I'll sign off. Oh yeah Strange Daze 2, both NIk and Dave said on stage they were willing to be part of it next year-great. How about we get Steve Hillage(he's still arounfd right?), Helios Creed, Lemmy, BOC. I bet they'd all play, and draw fans. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 2 07:55:58 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:55:58 +0100 Subject: HW,BOC: Dude's Dreams Message-ID: Just this morning got my copy of Brain Tawn's "Dude's Dreams: The Music of Michael Moorcock". Good stuff! I don't think there was much in the text that was new to me (I mean, I was *there* at Hammy Odeon in '78, etc), but the real value is the lyrics - all those words you could never figure out on "Good Girl, Bad Girl"... And it's a nice package, too, with nice, stylish illustrations. Fine value for the five-fifty! BTW, had a quick look in the shops yesterday for the "Love in Space" EP - no luck! Is it actually out? - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Born Out of Time_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 08:19:14 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:19:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: > together on a european tour. nik joined the band for a couple of tunes.lots > of talk by the band about a new beginning. > i should clarify this: the new beginnings were not pertaining to nik. i was referring to the bands plan to rejuvenate themselves and really start to regain a bit of the glory they once had. (not that they are particularly lacking now). they seem to have a plan that will make touring flow more easily, and to get their name more widely circulated. they seem excited about something. as for lemmy. yes lemmy's manager did in fact demand that lemmy be flown in 1st class. i dont believe lemmy knew anything about it. it was his manager going on about image and things like that. also, lemmy did come down with the flu. i know this to be true, because my wife karyn was handling the flight tickets, and was told nevermind after finding out the demands of lemmy's manager. rj From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 2 08:32:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:32:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings' mail of Tue, 2 Sep 97 08:19 -0400 Message-ID: On 02 Sep 13:19, Ron Jennings wrote: > as for lemmy. yes lemmy's manager did in fact demand that lemmy be flown in > 1st class. i dont believe lemmy knew anything about it. it was his manager > going on about image and things like that. Image? If he's worried about Lemmy's image, he should have made him ride across the continent on a battered Triumph, escorted by Angels the entire way, without stopping for sleep, baths, food or other trivia. He should have wheeled Hunter S. Thompson out of retirement to cover the trip in true gonzo style. He should have declared the vicinity an moving unlicensed zone, where laws do not apply and everything is permitted. *That*'s Lemmy's image, not poncing about in 1st class. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 2 09:43:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:43:09 -0400 Subject: Interactive BOC FAQ Message-ID: >the FAQ. BTW whats the web address again, lost my book mark. You can find the FAQ in the BOC-L archives, and I'm not sure I remember it offhand. However, your best bet now is to go to my BOC website where you will find it, plus links to other cool stuff like my Brain Surgeons website, as well as an online quiz to test your FAQ knowlege (requires Netscape Navigator at the moment). http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 09:42:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:42:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > Image? If he's worried about Lemmy's image, he should have made him > ride across the continent on a battered Triumph, escorted by Angels the > entire way, without stopping for sleep, baths, food or other trivia. > He should have wheeled Hunter S. Thompson out of retirement to cover > the trip in true gonzo style. He should have declared the vicinity an > moving unlicensed zone, where laws do not apply and everything is > permitted. *That*'s Lemmy's image, not poncing about in 1st class. > ok, fine. i was referring to 'calibre of artist' or whatever. f**k it. rj From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 2 10:01:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:01:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings' mail of Tue, 2 Sep 97 09:42 -0400 Message-ID: Ron, I wasn't getting at you, or criticising you (or Lemmy). I was trying to make a joke. I'm sorry if I didn't pull it off. Dave. On 02 Sep 14:42, Ron Jennings wrote: > Dave Berry wrote: > > > Image? If he's worried about Lemmy's image, he should have made him > > ride across the continent on a battered Triumph, escorted by Angels the > > entire way, without stopping for sleep, baths, food or other trivia. > > He should have wheeled Hunter S. Thompson out of retirement to cover > > the trip in true gonzo style. He should have declared the vicinity an > > moving unlicensed zone, where laws do not apply and everything is > > permitted. *That*'s Lemmy's image, not poncing about in 1st class. > > > > ok, fine. i was referring to 'calibre of artist' or whatever. f**k it. > rj -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Sep 2 10:03:31 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:03:31 -0500 Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: > >>Hi folks >>Is our favorite band playing in empty halls ??!? There were attendance problems, folks. 300 in Chcago, perhaps slightly more in Cleveland (!), haven't heard yet about NYC. The Fest, at least as of mid-Saturday afternoon, was at around 300 paid. Jim seemed pretty bummed about the no-shows here in Cleveland... Just an opinion here, but I wonder if he's taking a bath on this. Damn shame if he is. Still a wonderful effort by all invoved. Way cool T-shirts too! (Tour shirt looks to have dangerously high levels of radium - the thing glows in the dark like a supernova... :) Wylie From bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU Tue Sep 2 10:18:17 1997 From: bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU (Benjamin Cash) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:18:17 -0400 Subject: HW: US gigs In-Reply-To: <199709021403.JAA00116@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Sep 2, 97 09:03:31 am Message-ID: > >>Hi folks > >>Is our favorite band playing in empty halls ??!? > > There were attendance problems, folks. 300 in Chcago, perhaps > slightly more in Cleveland (!), haven't heard yet about NYC. The Fest, The Coney Island High show was _packed_ don't know how much it actually held but it was holding all of it (a couple people passed out during the show due to the heat and closeness). Which is too bad given how bad the sound was (although we were treated to a gorgeous chewing out of the sound man by whoever was doing the taping, it looked like he was going to kill the guy right there on the spot. Sound picked up after that ;) I don't kow how future NYC shows will be received though, I heard a lot of people leave dissapointed which was entirely due to the mix and the crush, the band was really on. > too! (Tour shirt looks to have dangerously high levels of radium - the > thing glows in the dark like a supernova... :) No kidding, you can see the d at mn thing in broad daylight... Oh, and I guess this would be an official de-lurk. :) I was on for a while a LONG time ago, greets to those who remember me (recognize a few names), hail and well-met to those who have joined since. Ben Cash bcash at essc.psu.edu ObCD: Phish - A Live One > > > > Wylie > From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Tue Sep 2 10:25:29 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:25:29 +0100 Subject: HW:Help Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------- Help, I have had the "nomail" option set over the last few weeks but now that I have tried to switch it back on I get a "host unknown" error message. is there a problem?? I would be grateful if anyone can help me out. I am not even sure that you will see this. If you do reply please mail me direct as I won't see anything on the mailgroup. Ta Mike P. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Sep 2 10:34:13 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:34:13 -0500 Subject: HW: US gigs In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech "HW: US gigs" (Aug 30, 12:42pm) Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Is our favorite band playing in empty halls ??!? > > I am wondering why the US fans are so quiet > > > More informations about the gigs are VERY WELCOME!!!! Sorry I haven't posted my review of the excellent Chicago gig yet. Between the holiday weekend and being out of town, I haven't had a chance. I'm leaving town again tomorrow, so if I don't get the review typed in tomorrow morning, I'll definitely do it early next week. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 When you choke a smurf, what color does it turn? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 2 10:51:45 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:51:45 +0100 Subject: HW: US gigs In-Reply-To: Benjamin Cash's message of Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: Benjamin Cash writes: > Oh, and I guess this would be an official de-lurk. :) I was on for a while > a LONG time ago, greets to those who remember me (recognize a few names), > hail and well-met to those who have joined since. Hi Ben Welcome back! I remember you - Good to have you around again! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Jed_Levin at INSTINET.COM Tue Sep 2 11:16:52 1997 From: Jed_Levin at INSTINET.COM (Jed Levin) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:16:52 -0400 Subject: I Bailed from the NYC Show! Message-ID: I must just not be a hardened enough Hawkfan, but I bailed from Coney Island High Friday night hours before Hawkwind took the stage. When it was 11:00 and I was told there were still THREE more opening acts (after seeing two already) I just couldn't take it any more! I'd been working all day, and wasn't going to wait till 2:00AM to see them. And it was going to be my first time seeing Hawkwind. I think Hawkwind ought to be able to play a decent venue like Irving Plaza, The Bottom Line, or even Tramps, rather than that scuzzy dive! I wasted $15 and four hours. Anyway, if anyone who stayed for the show can tell me about it, I'd like to know what I missed. The stage was so small that it was hard to believe they'd have fit. I'm just a little bitter and really jealous of people in England who get to see them in places like the friggin' Earls Court or something! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 2 11:34:18 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:34:18 +0100 Subject: HW: I Bailed from the NYC Show! Message-ID: >I'm just a little bitter and really jealous of people in >England who get to see them in places like the friggin' Earls Court or >something! They're not bloody Oasis! :) The biggest show on this year's tour is, I think, at the Shepherd's Bush Empire, which accommodates about 2,000. In recent years, they've usually played the Brixton Academy (about 4,000) and while it hasn't been empty by any means, I don't think they sold it out. (Still pretty respectable for a band that had one hit, 25 years ago, and have *never* been fashionable!) I wonder - what is the biggest show they've ever played? Bernhard? Not counting festivals! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Sep 2 12:33:03 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:33:03 +0200 Subject: HW: I Bailed from the NYC Show! In-Reply-To: <01BCB7BE.17A834A0@host5-99-51-78.btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 16:34 02.09.97 +0100, you wrote: >I wonder - what is the biggest show they've ever played? Bernhard? >Not counting festivals! I think it was New York 1973 but I am not absolutely sure. Have to check my archives..... Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:03:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:03:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: Gleaned the following info from Jack's BOC bulletin board - check out his BOC site at http://www.j-and-a.com/boca.html 1. Buck answered some online fans' questions. Biggest question probably is regarding "Ezekiel's Wheel". Buck reports that final mixing will take place this fall (maybe a bit of re-recording) with an anticipated release early next year. Many of the fans obviously treat this news with great excitement and believe that the album will be released as advertised. The cynics would argue that this is yet another delay of the album that will never come. I'm personally optimistic that the album will be released, and I suspect that early next year is realistic (and better than false promises of having the album released in a few months) - but you all can draw your own conclusions. 2. A recent review of a NY show was very favorable - most noteworthy is that while Buck is still doing most of the singing, Eric's share of vocal duties is increasing. He is also reported to be more animated on- stage these days - a sign that he may be enjoying himself (which, for awhile, he appeared to be a bit restrained -- perhaps emotionally affected by his vocal troubles). John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 2 13:22:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:22:57 EDT Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz nd believe that the album will be released as advertised. The cynics > would argue that this is yet another delay of the album that will never > come. I'm personally optimistic that the album will be released, and I > suspect that early next year is realistic (and better than false promises > of having the album released in a few months) - but you all can draw your > own conclusions. I think if Buck says so, it's probably true. I'll be guardedly optimistic. Sometimes I wonder if EB isn't just busting our chops with his 'new album' reports, perpetuating his running cruel joke. He's been promising a new album around the corner all the way back to OYF... > > 2. A recent review of a NY show was very favorable - most noteworthy is > that while Buck is still doing most of the singing, Eric's share of > vocal duties is increasing. He is also reported to be more animated on- > stage these days - a sign that he may be enjoying himself (which, for > awhile, he appeared to be a bit restrained -- perhaps emotionally affected > by his vocal troubles). > > John This agrees with what I saw a couple weeks ago. EB was more animated than in the other 3 shows I saw this year, and while BD sang more, EB seemed much more into things, esp. his role as frontman. Would you agree, Torgo? And that was a huge outdoor gig with a big audience, so maybe EB was a little more pumped than usual playing a show that harkened back to the old days? I guess nobody from the list saw their show Friday night? If I hadn't just seen them I would've made the trip. Eerie in that they were playing in the Bouchard's back yard without the killer Bs... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 2 14:41:20 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:41:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Marillion U.S. Tour Message-ID: Hello, I almost missed a Marillion show because I didn't know this information, so I thought I'd pass it along to whoever's interested: The band is currently touring the U.S. in support of their new album "This Strange Engine", which strangely enough, won't be out until November. Tour dates can be found at www.marillion.com/touring/ BTW, the show was outstanding. The numbers they played from the new album were impressive as well. Check them out if you get the chance. Brian From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Sep 2 14:38:42 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:38:42 -0400 Subject: HW: us gigs Message-ID: Hi Dan !! Glad to see you got back OK. Wasn't much to report the next day. The cleanup was very quick and efficient, and there were a lot of really hungover and groggy looking people !! Well I should write up my impressions (good job by the way), but I wanted to see if I could tempt you with anything from my list as it would be so much easier to remember exactly what HW played if I had a tape of it..... I'll add my list as an attachment, I have a spearate very large Bob Dylan list, but unless you're interested I won't send it on. I can give you recommendations/ratings very easily..... Good to meet you, Dan Heres to Next Year !! Cheers, Steve Lindsey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trade_list Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6064 bytes Desc: trade_list URL: From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Sep 2 14:53:51 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:53:51 -0600 Subject: BOC: new info -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 09/02/97 11:03am >>> Gleaned the following info from Jack's BOC bulletin board - check out his BOC site at http://www.j-and-a.com/boca.html 1. Buck answered some online fans' questions. Biggest question probably is regarding "Ezekiel's Wheel". Buck reports that final mixing will take place this fall (maybe a bit of re-recording) with an anticipated release early next year. Many of the fans obviously treat this news with great excitement and believe that the album will be released as advertised. The cynics would argue that this is yet another delay of the album that will never come. I'm personally optimistic that the album will be released, and I suspect that early next year is realistic (and better than false promises of having the album released in a few months) - but you all can draw your own conclusions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just read that this morning too John. I must say that Buck seemed positive about it being released. I hope it will come out early next spring. Otherwise I might have to do my Godzilla act on NY and that would be ugly(kind of like "going postal" on a MUCH bigger scale). So, Buck, I emplore you and the rest of 3 OC to RELEASE THAT DAMNED DISK!!!! :) 2. A recent review of a NY show was very favorable - most noteworthy is that while Buck is still doing most of the singing, Eric's share of vocal duties is increasing. He is also reported to be more animated on- stage these days - a sign that he may be enjoying himself (which, for awhile, he appeared to be a bit restrained -- perhaps emotionally affected by his vocal troubles). >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever heard a satisfactory answer for why this happened(Eric being "out of it")? It seems like Eric has been out of the spotlight and lead vocals for quite a while. (I saw them in January and he was out then and had been for several months). It seems that it must have been something wrong with his voice?? Brad L blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 2 16:59:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:59:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: >I guess nobody from the list saw their show Friday night? If I hadn't just seen them I would've made the trip. Eerie in that they were playing in the Bouchard's back yard without the killer Bs... This is the show I saw the review for where I mentioned Eric looking better. Added to the setlist were "ME-262" and "O.D.'d on Life Itself", which, of course, Eric sings. >Sometimes I wonder if EB isn't just busting our chops with his 'new album' reports, perpetuating his running cruel joke. I think Eric has learned his lesson on this -- he's been pretty non- definitive over the last year or 2 in terms of talking about the release date of BOC's next album. Personally, I never saw it as bustin' our chops - I just think Eric had a habit of announcing stuff that was not yet etched in stone, and when that didn't turn out to be true, well to use one of Eric's phrases, he stepped on his . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 2 17:19:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:19:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info -Reply Message-ID: >So, Buck, I emplore you and the rest of 3 OC to RELEASE THAT DAMNED DISK!!!! :) I agree. I hate to say stuff like, "if the Brain Surgeons can ...", but I really believe that in this day and age with the technology available at lower costs, there is no excuse for the material on this album to stay in the vaults forever - it should be released SOMEHOW. >Has anyone ever heard a satisfactory answer for why this happened(Eric being "out of it")? It seems like Eric has been out of the spotlight and lead vocals for quite a while. (I saw them in January and he was out then and had been for several months). It seems that it must have been something wrong with his voice?? Not that I've heard, and when the topic pops up on other forums, it is quickly shot down by others who criticize people for spreading rumors. I think part of this has to do with Buck and Eric being online, and some fans not wanting negative discussions going around that they might witness. I can understand that to a point - hey, if Eric is having vocal problems and there's a lot of talk on the net about this, he might start believing that he can't function as BOC's lead vocalist anymore. But, on the other hand, I don't think most of the questions are coming from people trying to imply this - I think that there are a lot of fans who look at the recent setlists, or have seen (or heard) recent shows, and can't help but wonder what's up with Eric's voice. My take on the whole thing is the following (note: this is MY interpretaion of the situation, and should not be construed as the Gospel truth) -- Eric's voice has gotten somewhat weaker over the past few years - partly due to his age, and partly due to the rigors of touring (Eric's singing style may be a bit more stressful on his voice than some other styles, such as, say, Buck's more laid-back mellow approach). Sometime back in (my guess) 1995, Eric probably really over-strained it, and due to BOC's touring schedule, it was never given a chance to heal properly. But, at this time Eric seemed to be more or less o.k. (I saw them in late '95 and they were doing "Lips in the Hills" - probably one of the more strenuous tunes on Eric's voice). Around the spring or summer of '96, I think was when things got a bit more noticible, and it was at the end of the summer of '96 or in early fall when Eric's "voice-time" was drastically reduced -- part of this may definitely been in effort to rest Eric's voice for the coming recording of the "Ezekiel's Wheel" tracks. Presumably "The Power Underneath Despair", which has a strong vocal performance by Eric, was recorded during the fall of '96 - you can hear this one on the Summerdaze CD and I think it sounds damn good. The Buck-dominated setlists have continued through the end of '96 and throughout '97, but as mentioned, it appears that Eric is now singing a bit more. This is a good sign because I suspect that Eric had somewhat of a "relapse" last fall or early this year -- I heard a few tapes from March or April of this year and it was obvious from listening that Eric was having problems hitting the higher notes - stuff he sang that was fairly low in frequency was strong, but it sounded like his range was severely limited. I'm glad to hear that he may be returning to form. Again, this is my interpretation of what has happened - I suspect some would not want me to print these things, or some might think I'm being "negative" -- I'm just drawing my own conclusions from numerous observations over the past few years. John From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Sep 2 17:29:23 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:29:23 -0400 Subject: HW, NIK : Nik dates Message-ID: A quick thought: Nik T. announced two dates from the Strange Daze stage I know one was Chicago. If anyone remembers, probably they should post as they must have been soon Cheers, Steve L From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Tue Sep 2 18:00:49 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:00:49 -0400 Subject: HW, NIK : Nik dates In-Reply-To: <199709022129.RAA20731@dogberry> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > A quick thought: > > Nik T. announced two dates from the Strange Daze > stage I know one was Chicago. > > If anyone remembers, probably they should post as they must have been soon > > > Cheers, > Steve L > > > I believe the Chicago is tonight and then Cleveland tomorrow or perhaps it was the other way around I don't remeber the venues. I remain Adam From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Tue Sep 2 18:04:31 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:04:31 -0500 Subject: HW, NIK : Nik dates In-Reply-To: <199709022129.RAA20731@dogberry> Message-ID: At 05:29 PM 9/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >A quick thought: > >Nik T. announced two dates from the Strange Daze >stage I know one was Chicago. > >If anyone remembers, probably they should post as they must have been soon > If i remember right the Chicago gig is this Wednesday 9/3/97 But i was so Drunk the whole time i cant remember what the name of the place it is going to be at..... > >Cheers, >Steve L -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, mailto:hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Sep 2 18:34:16 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:34:16 -0500 Subject: HW, NIK : Nik dates Message-ID: > >If i remember right the Chicago gig is this Wednesday 9/3/97 >But i was so Drunk the whole time i cant remember what the name of the >place it is going to be at..... The show is in Lansing Illinois (which is near the Indiana border where I used to live) and I believe the name of the place is JJ Kelly's, but I don't remember for sure. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Sep 2 18:51:12 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:51:12 -0000 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: greetings yet again After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock genre can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of course)? is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the Atlantic or am i imagining things? If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. Going for his second BA, Jason Scruton From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Tue Sep 2 19:09:36 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:09:36 -0500 Subject: HW, NIK : Nik dates In-Reply-To: <199709022234.RAA24573@wcic.org> Message-ID: >The show is in Lansing Illinois (which is near the Indiana border where I >used to live) and I believe the name of the place is JJ Kelly's, but I don't >remember for sure. Ya, i just called JJ Kelly's (708)474-9977 and nik will be thair Wednesday 9/3/97 thair is a $12 cover to get in,the first band starts at 9PM and NIK comes on around 10PM >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, mailto:hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 2 19:54:01 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:54:01 -0400 Subject: Possible BOC reference in Hawkmoon Message-ID: I was just rereading the Hawkmoon books (of numerous connections to Hawkwind, including dedications to Dave and Nik, in the WW omnibus editions) and noticed a character who assists Hawkmoon in the third book ("Sword of the Dawn") named "Bewchard", who is a boat captain in the city of "Narleen" in the legendary lost continent of Amerehk. Coincidence? These were written long before he hooked up with Eric to write lyrics for BOC... But still... and it almost works to catch the Del Rio's song about leaving New Orleans on a boat... (shortly after leaving Narleen and Bewchard on a boat Hawkmoon encounters a crisis with storms of supernatural origin...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 2 19:54:06 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:54:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: >If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the >appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. Uh... do Canadian bands count? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA Tue Sep 2 20:03:47 1997 From: carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA (Carl Norum) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:03:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You wrote: > greetings yet again > After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first > rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of > british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock > genre can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of > course)? is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the > Atlantic or am i imagining things? > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > Going for his second BA, > Jason Scruton Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, and another Canadian group, namely Rush, have a load of good concept albums. But you're right... I can't really think of any American concept albums off the top of my head, (from the 70's) but I can think of a lot of new ones. (And most of them are GOOD, too.) --- _________ __ / _____/____ _____ _____ _____ | | \_____ \\__ \ / \\__ \/ __ \| | / \/ __ \| Y Y |/ __ \ ____/| |__ /________ /______\__|_|__/______\_____|_____/ http://norumrez.usask.ca/samael/entrance/ Page by Carl Norum (carl at norumrez.usask.ca) for Hand of Evil Web Productions From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 20:40:45 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:40:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: dave, im sorry man. i brought a bug back from the festival and it's been putting a negative spin on things for me. also apologies to the list for the same reason. rj Dave Berry wrote: > Ron, > > I wasn't getting at you, or criticising you (or Lemmy). I was trying > to make a joke. I'm sorry if I didn't pull it off. > > Dave. > From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 20:45:02 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:45:02 -0400 Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: i know the nyc gig was PACKED. the band made _quite_ a bit more than their minimum goal. i didnt show up for the fest till just before nik went on (happy sigh). on sunday there had to be at least 600 there. wonder how many paid? i seriously doubt jim took a bath, tho' he may have lost a few dollars. he had no intention of making money for himself anyway. rj William Stone wrote: > > > >>Hi folks > >>Is our favorite band playing in empty halls ??!? > > There were attendance problems, folks. 300 in Chcago, perhaps > slightly more in Cleveland (!), haven't heard yet about NYC. The Fest, > at least as of mid-Saturday afternoon, was at around 300 paid. Jim > seemed pretty bummed about the no-shows here in Cleveland... Just an > opinion here, but I wonder if he's taking a bath on this. Damn shame > if he is. Still a wonderful effort by all invoved. Way cool T-shirts > too! (Tour shirt looks to have dangerously high levels of radium - the > thing glows in the dark like a supernova... :) > > Wylie From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 20:53:16 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: Benjamin Cash wrote: > > > The Coney Island High show was _packed_ don't know how much it actually > held but it was holding all of it (a couple people passed out during the > show due to the heat and closeness). Which is too bad given how bad the > sound was (although we were treated to a gorgeous chewing out of the sound > man by whoever was doing the taping, it looked like he was going to kill > the guy right there on the spot. Sound picked up after that ;) I don't kow > how future NYC shows will be received though, I heard a lot of people leave > dissapointed which was entirely due to the mix and the crush, the band was > really on. the screaming guy was jim lasko. the cringing guy was chris bruce. the money intake says there were at least 450 people there. i know at least 40 people got in free,as well. the club looked like it had a max cap at around 250-300. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 2 20:58:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:58:03 -0400 Subject: I Bailed from the NYC Show! Message-ID: slap yerself. you missed hw by one band and one hour. they went on about 12:00. whoever told ya there were three more bands lied to ya. rj Jed Levin wrote: > I must just not be a hardened enough Hawkfan, but I bailed from Coney > Island High Friday night hours before Hawkwind took the stage. When it was > 11:00 and I was told there were still THREE more opening acts (after seeing > two already) I just couldn't take it any more! I'd been working all day, > and wasn't going to wait till 2:00AM to see them. And it was going to be > my first time seeing Hawkwind. I think Hawkwind ought to be able to play a > decent venue like Irving Plaza, The Bottom Line, or even Tramps, rather > than that scuzzy dive! I wasted $15 and four hours. > > Anyway, if anyone who stayed for the show can tell me about it, I'd like to > know what I missed. The stage was so small that it was hard to believe > they'd have fit. I'm just a little bitter and really jealous of people in > England who get to see them in places like the friggin' Earls Court or > something! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 2 21:02:40 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:02:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: ---------- From: Carl Norum[SMTP:carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 8:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama You wrote: > greetings yet again > After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first > rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of > british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock > genre can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of > course)? is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the > Atlantic or am i imagining things? > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > Going for his second BA, > Jason Scruton Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, and another Canadian group, namely Rush, have a load of good concept albums. But you're right... I can't really think of any American concept albums off the top of my head, (from the 70's) but I can think of a lot of new ones. (And most of them are GOOD, too.) Hello, hello, The Who are MOST DEFINITLY from the UK. Now the Guess Who are from the Great White North (y'know the band that gave us "American Woman" and Burton Cummings and BTO). But, Pete Townshends' group was originally outta Liverpool (help me out here, someone!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com --- _________ __ / _____/____ _____ _____ _____ | | \_____ \\__ \ / \\__ \/ __ \| | / \/ __ \| Y Y |/ __ \ ____/| |__ /________ /______\__|_|__/______\_____|_____/ http://norumrez.usask.ca/samael/entrance/ Page by Carl Norum (carl at norumrez.usask.ca) for Hand of Evil Web Productions From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 2 21:05:29 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: "The Intergalactic Touring Band", the one and only release by TIgTB, is about the only one I can think of. Late '70's release... Craig ---------- From: Bolts of Ungodly vision[SMTP:scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 6:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama greetings yet again After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock genre can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of course)? is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the Atlantic or am i imagining things? If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. Going for his second BA, Jason Scruton From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Sep 2 22:21:41 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:21:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? In-Reply-To: <01BCB7E3.92854D00@dynamic-44.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: >Hello, hello, The Who are MOST DEFINITLY from the UK. Now the Guess Who >are from the Great White North (y'know the band that gave us "American Woman" and Burton Cummings and BTO). But, Pete Townshends' group was >originally outta Liverpool (help me out here, someone!) I will confirm that The Who are from the UK. I'm most suprised to say the least that this could ever be in question. Star Rats From raider at PIPELINE.COM Tue Sep 2 22:37:26 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:37:26 -0400 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: At 09:05 PM 9/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >"The Intergalactic Touring Band", the one and only release by TIgTB, is about the only one I can think of. Late '70's release... Styx is loaded with Concept albums, Cornerstone, Paradise Theatre, Kilroy Was Here. Boston's Don't Look Back & Third Stage (and even walk on for that matter. It's actually kinda concept trilogy.) And on the more questionable side, Meatloaf. ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Sep 3 00:32:02 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:32:02 EST Subject: Strange Daze: day 1 Message-ID: Day 1 of the most incredible space rock festival ever: After helping roadie the gear back onto the van following the Coney Is. High show in NYC, we hit the road about 4am towards Sherman NY. After about 9hrs of driving plus a 2hr nap at a roadside rest area, we arrived before the end of the set by Nucleon. This band was mostly a rock-type band, not much 'space' in their rock. Good, gave us time to set up the tent and get our recording gear together. When ST37 hit the stage, we were set up. This Texas band was pretty good, better than their 6yr old CD 'Invisible College'. A bit noisy, a bit clashing at times rather than melodic, still a pretty decent set by a large band (maybe 6-7 folks on stage). Managed to pick up their CD for $8 after the show. They also had copies of their split EP with VocoKesh, but I decided that vinyl would be too hard to keep up with and passed. Next was Archetectural Metaphor. Except for Nik and HW, this band was the highlite of the weekend for me. Their live set was dripping with the styles of Ash Ra Temple and the like, with liquid guitar solos, and haunting vocals from the percussionist. This trio is absolutely incredible. Their new CD blows away their first one, and their Strange Daze set blew away their new CD! Catch'em if you get a chance, they are better than they have ever been. There cover of "Golden Void" is one of the best covers by any band, of any HW tune. Next came F/i. They walked onstage, and stated that it had been a long hard trip to get to the festival, and that they'd blown their engine on the long drive from Wisconsin. Still, they cranked it up and cooked. Definitely another great band to watch. Heavier space rock with lots of blubbling whooshes. I could be losing it, but I seem to recall a longhaired, bearded blonde fellow in a bright orange jacket playing an electric cello! This fellow was up all nite that nite :-), as best as I can tell, since the F/i and ArcMet tents were right near ours. I made sure to pick up their CD, and found it even better then the live set. (then again, maybe I just wasn't familiar with their songs). I *did* think that their set here was an improvement over their NYEve set on the Angels of Death tribute band tape. Their new CD is called "Helioscopium", and they brought about 100 copies to sell - hot off the press. A terrific collection of space rock songs. NIKWIND: Then, THE MAN. Nik Turner, backed by Farflung with special guest guitarist Steve Taylor (from Sun Machine). The most incredible Nik show I've ever seen or heard (since he went solo). This man has not had a backing band as good as these guys since he left HW! Nik poured a tremendous amount of energy into his performance and his vocals, and the band turned on a dime right with him. Nik had broken his leg earlier in the week (rumor was a motorcycle accident), and arrived on crutches that afternoon. He moved slow, and plopped down on the grass to speak to visitors and watch the earlier shows when he got there. Nik's head is now clean shaven. Not a good sign about the leg. Soooo, the roadies came up with an alternate solution for the show... When the band came on stage, Nik was not present. A large black box with a cloth over it was brought out and placed in the center of the stage, right near the mic. A spaceman dressed in white with glowing white X-mas tree lights all over him came flowing out onto the stage (this is Scotty the HW lightman), and the music built up into a proper intro. Then, Nik came out of the box wearing a tan-colored rubber suit with long rubber spikes protruding from it in all directions. The spaceman continued to dance, and was joined by a black-robed monster-masked figure wearing a glowstik around the neck. Together with the 5 band members plus Nik himself, as well as a flame blower lurking at the rear of the stage, there were 9 folks on stage several times during the show! Nik's rubber outfit must have concealed some supports for his cast, as he was able to stand in place and do some hobbling from side to side during the show. The songs were all great, with a tremendous amount of energy from both the band and especially Nik. The usual Nikwind tunes showed up, including Watching the Grass Grow, Dragon Rider (GREAT!), Ejection, Master of the Universe, and Shouldn't Do That. The show ran from 10pm until midnite without a break. Lots of smiles all around, some solo flute from Nik, at least 4 or 5 songs from Farflung's last two CDs also found their way into the mix. The Farflung sound is that heavy space rock sludge played in a very fluid manner, with loud guitars in a not-complex liquid pattern, with a fast tempo where you just can't stop bouncing. Tommy Grenas was layed out over a bank of MOOG synths, and played almost no guitar. Steve Taylor was front and center for the leads, although this band is a jamming band rather than center-solo type of music. Best of all, Nik Turner and Farflung will be playing two dates this week. I *think* it is in Cleveland on Tuesday and Chicago a couple of days later, but I knew I wouldn't make it so didn't pay attention. * * * * * Nik Turner's show revealed him in PEAK performance. Even with a broken leg, even in his late fifties (older than Dave), even with a backup band that was swapped at the last minute for a different backup band, Nik was absolutely fucking incredible. Hawkwind was going to really have to kick it out to beat out Nik's show. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Sep 3 00:32:33 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:32:33 EST Subject: Strange Daze: day 2 Message-ID: Day 2 of the most incredible space rock festival ever: Lemmy didn't make it, but Nik Turner did play onstage with HW. More on that in the next email... The morning opened up with Bionaut, apparently a synth-based offshoot of ArcMet. This was mellow, pleasing music, just what was needed to wake the folks up gently. Next came Nick Riff. Not my style really, more of a pop singer with a rock backup band. His tunes were nice and catchy, and I caught myself singing along with them before his set was done. (that is usually a *bad* thing for me). Melting Euphoria was a band I really wanted to see. Their first two albums are incredible Ozrics-like space-synth jamming, and from an American band no less! The third album didn't do much for me, but there is a brand new one just out in the last two weeks that may be different. I didn't know what to expect really. M.E. came on as a four piece, with 2 guitars + drums + synth. This band really rocked out, with much less apparent synth than appears on their polished-production CDs. Unfortunately, they hadn't played more than 20mins when a rain came down that caused them to stop. When the rain let up, they were able to play maybe another 10-15 mins, but this just wasn't enough to do justice to this excellent band. Born To Go came out. Their lead singer was an english fellow, who rapped with the audience a bit before and between songs. These guys don't have as much SPACE in their SPACE ROCK as some of the other bands at this festival, but their attitude is definitely in the right place. IMHO the music needs more of a synth sound, or more tonality in the lead guitar perhaps, but the lyrics are dead-on SciFi/technology stuff. Their influences are good ones. Born To Go also deserves credit for having been a vocal proponent on the net for the Strange Daze fest. (I forgot to get my free drink from the lead singer following their set. They did a song called "Kill -9", and the singer offered a "..free drink at the bar for anyone who knows what this means!". I knew those years of college would amount to something!) Quarkspace was a band I missed seeing, although they sounded pretty good from where I sat out their set. They had a more complex, structured sound, with numerous layered instruments, kind of mid-tempo. I kept wishing could get up and go see this band I was hearing, but my tent was full of partying people at that moment so I missed out. Alien Planetscapes came out and seemed to do a similar set to the one they'd used Friday nite when they also opened for HW. Their sound is really good, with a good mix of synths and guitars with other instruments for accent. Their new CD was available at both shows, but unfortunately I missed picking one up. Hawkwind. See next email. SCATTERED THOTS: The entire festival went off on-schedule, with all bands starting and stopping close to the published time. There was absolutely no police or security presence at the fest, just a lot of well- behaved hippies having a tripping good time. I witnessed not a single fight, there was a food stand selling (ONLY) veggie burgers and tea, there was a real bar selling booze and beer, and you could buy a wellbarrow full of wood for a campfire for the measely fee of $5. The weather was warm during the day, with a brief rain shower on Sat morn and late Sat afternoon, and wet fog on Sat night. Temp seemed to drop into the low 50s F (maybe hi 40s?). Most bands camped out at the festival, and the guy on stage was frequently the guy standing next to you when the next band came on. Band members from all bands appeared accessible throughout the event. HW arrived late in the day on Saturday, and were seen walking around the area checking things out. Supposedly Dave wandered past each and every campsite, to see what was up and how things were. My guess is that he was impressed by the American take on throwing a campout hippie festival. Dave is reported to have volunteered to come back again and play future Strange Daze-type festivals, if they become regular events. On Saturday afternoon a Militant Nudist on Acid was spotted yelling and ranting "Take off your clothes. You must be free!". He was tripping VERY hard, and (from earlier discussions) appeared to be a nudist down for the camping, without any background on Hawkwind. Reportedly he ran up to Dave during his wandering, until Dave was able to escape him. Eventually this fellow's girlfriend showed up, calmed him down and dressed him, and tucked him away in their tent. There was a large bonfire and drum circle on Sat nite following the Nikwind show. Naked pagans and stoned hippies clustered around the "wooden stonehenge" area where the huge fire was burning, trying to warm themselves and dance out their trips. Way cool, with several HW members observing. The guys in Farflung were running a table selling CDs and T-shirts. The T-shirts included an alternate Strange Daze with the legend "Nik Turner and Farflung as The Sons of Cydonia", as well as several "NEU!" and "Faust" shirts. Tommy was wearing a "NEU!". I heard no explanation as to why Pressurehed had been unable to make the show. There were at least 4 video cameras going at all times, and scattered tape recorders all over the place. Absolutely no effort was made to restrict any recording of any kind at the festival. There was a large truck containing a 24-track recorder dubbing the Hawkwind set, and probably the entire show. Good chance that there might be a CD coming out of this event. I never did see the fellow giving away copies of the "Space Rock Manifesto" which I'd heard advertised. Wonder what that was about..? Bob Lennon was distributing copies of Hawk-U.S. #6, which came with a floppy containing a dozen JPEGs of HW from the 1995 tour (I believe) and a small color photo of a freaky looking space rock terrarium. I picked up a 'zine called "The Hipster" that contained an interview with Dave Brock this past winter. There are rumors of an Amon Duul II / ArcMet / Melting Euphoria tour coming up in the US. The new HW album has been completed and mixed, except for one song and finishing the artwork. I didn't get a title, but the band played a tape of it to some of the folks at Lascko's house following the Ohio show. The release date is supposedly in October 97. Great folks that I met during the show included Chris Raymond (you're probably on that video of Nik's "HW encore"), Rick and Steve, Pierre and Bruce from Texas, Eli Friedman and Jim Lascko (incredible people who thru this bash), Sade the Witch Doktressa, Steve Lindsey, Damon Capehart, Bob Lennon and Hobbit, Chris and Mary Bruce, Kevin Sommers, Mike Habiby, and Zendog. And most thanks to Doug Bates, for all the tremendous help he gave me and a place to crash. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Sep 3 00:33:17 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:33:17 EST Subject: Strange Daze: Hawkwind Message-ID: HAWKWIND: They have done it again. Hawkwind has a new sound, and it is great! The addition of Jerry Richards on guitar and Ron Tree now on bass has pumped a fast-paced jamming-oriented rock sensibility into this band. No more long synth excursions, tunes from here on out are going to be hard crunchers and pounding jams! First off, no Lemmy. Reports were that the "negotiations" for his participation had not been satisfactory (monetarily), and at the last minute Lemmy did indeed call to say that he was "sick" and would not be able to make it. Rumor was that there was a scruple over first-class plane fare and $1600, but supposedly there was definitely a phonecall about being "sick". Ron was shirtless, covered in red paint, with two glowing stars on antennae above his head. He is playing an ancient Gibson bass, a monster of a guitar, centerstage. Jerry Richards is on the left side, wearing the black glow-in-the-dark HW t-shirt for this tour. He has black hair in a small afro, and a short trimmed goattee. He *does* look just like Tony Iommi, except for a little around the eyes. Dave Brock was on the right, behind his keyboards, his Warrior axe sitting on a stand beside him. Richard was hiding in the distant back of the stage, and I saw little of him. The Hawks opened with one of the new songs, I believe it is called "The Wheel". Unlike the never-quite-gelled version from NYC on Friday, tonight this song coalesced into a fast tight construction from an almost ambient beginning. Something to look forward to on the new album. Jerry and Ron are now a driving energy in this band. More good stuff all around. As I knew the show was being recorded I didn't bother to keep a setlist. I remember hearing Assassins of Allah with the Space is Your Pal middle section. Also, there were several new songs in there somewhere (don't remember any names I'd heard them called). Captain Rizz joined HW on stage for several songs, typically not adding much and not even knowing the lyrics for some songs. As you might tell, he didn't impress me much, and I didn't think he really fit in. In fact, I think his presence prevented some of the songs from properly blossoming. One great moment that worked better here than in NYC was an anti-establishment dub chant that Rizz did over a new HW tune in the background. I'd like to have heard Dave or Ron sing it instead, but my guess is that Captain Rizz may make an appearance on the next HW album...??? The big question was whether Dave would allow Nik to come onstage during the HW set. It's always been obvious that Nik would rejoin HW in a minute (at least part-time) if Dave would let him back in. Dave's opinion often appears to be that he thinks Nik is just too much for HW, and he doesn't want that kind of over-the-top uncontrolled spontenaity mucking with his vision of the band. Even Ron "Got Any Drugs" Tree can get as wild as he wants, as long as he Doesn't F--- Up, not even once. So, it was actually a happy surprise when Dave mentioned early on in the set that Captain Rizz would guest tonight, and that "...a little later we might wheel Nik Turner up here.." or something like that. Well, they jammed hard. Nik joined them, and then sat out a song. Then Nik joined them again, and played more sax. Then, they played a new song which Nik didn't know, but Nik tried to keep up thereby earning himself some strong looks from Dave. Dave made an occasional dig at Nik in his on-stage banter, but Nik just smiled throughout. On the next song Nik played sax very loud and upfront, and when the band attempted to bring the song to an end after 5 or 6 minutes old Captain Nik wanted to keep playing. He went into a big solo and thus forced the band into extending the song a bit more. More dirty looks from Dave and smiles from Nik. Finally, the end of the set and the single encore, which I believe included "Ejection". The band wrapped it up, promised to come back in the future, and split. The crowd chanted for 10 minutes, then the roadies came out and started tearing down the stage. At the first sign of the crowd's disappointment at not getting a second encore, Nik Turner appeared at center stage wearing his sax. He broke into one of those little ditties that he does, and the crowd started cheering. When he finished, he played another one. Then, he took a request to play "Master of the Universe" I think it was, which he proceeded to do for 10min. By now the sweat was dripping off of him, and a mic had been brought out for his sax. Meanwhile the roadies continued to do their work right behind him, and all stage lights were on. Finally, Nik played a last tune and called it a night. Total time for HW was around 90min including the encore, and Nik played another 30min after that. Summing it up, Hawkwind have a great new sound that pumps more energy into a band that had been on the verge of sagging. Their new album is looking really good, based on the live shows. The Hawkwind show on Sunday beat out the Nik Turner show on Saturday, but not by much. Nik clearly knows what it is that the people want, and he wants to give it to them. Nik is a master showman, whereas Dave continues to focus on the music first, in a structured format. Dave isn't going to let Nik back into HW, but at least he is willing to consider a one-off with Nik once in a while. * * * * * Hawkwind now have a heavier sound than they've had in many years. Jerry Richards plays fast and furious, as does Ron on bass. The new songs are going to be more jam-oriented than any Brock has written in quite a while. The future is glorious...! Captain Cloud cjohnson at Hpsc.hisd.harris.com From des at SUPERLINK.NET Wed Sep 3 02:39:05 1997 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (EF) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:39:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: > > Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, and another > Canadian group, namely Rush, have a load of good concept albums. But > you're right... I can't really think of any American concept albums off > the top of my head, (from the 70's) but I can think of a lot of new ones. > (And most of them are GOOD, too.) > > --- > _________ __ > / _____/____ _____ _____ _____ | | > \_____ \\__ \ / \\__ \/ __ \| | > / \/ __ \| Y Y |/ __ \ ____/| |__ > /________ /______\__|_|__/______\_____|_____/ > http://norumrez.usask.ca/samael/entrance/ > Page by Carl Norum (carl at norumrez.usask.ca) > for Hand of Evil Web Productions I think you mean The Guess Who as a Canadian group, The Who were/are indeed British. As for American groups with concept albums in the '70s a lot of the stuff the Alice Cooper band put together were 'loose concept' albums, ie. albums with a theme to them; ex. "Killers," "School Out" and "Billion Dollar Babies." Also from Alice's solo career there is always "Welcome to my Nightmare." Spirit's "The 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardinicus" (sp?), and "Triangle" by the Beau Brummels, though these may be from the late 60's I forget. I'm sure if I got up and looked at my record collection I could come up with a few more. Guess the problem with the American groups at the time was that most of them were getting grossly over shadowed by their pop or radio friendly counter parts (but is'nt that still and always the case??). --EF From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Sep 3 00:37:40 1997 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:37:40 CDT Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:35:39 CDT." <199709030335.XAA29737@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly vision writes: >why is it so few American bands in the rock genre can put out a real >classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of course)? >If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the >appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. 70's, eh? How about those by Alice Cooper? "Alice Cooper Goes To Hell", "From The Inside", "Welcome To My Nightmare", "Billion Dollar Babies", "School's Out". In the 90's, he did (the excellent) "The Last Temptation". The 80's had some interesting ones, such as David+David's "Boomtown", (burning out in LA), and Warren Zevon's "Transverse City" (cyberpunk/future shock). m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+- I was trailing a ghost pale and white ---------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | and hard to see; The boys in blue from | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Peculiar School are hangin' out in the dark | +Cellular Subscriber Sector-+--- and they're lookin' for me. ------------[SR]-+ From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 3 03:29:21 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:29:21 PDT Subject: I Bailed from the NYC Show! Message-ID: >Subject: Re: I Bailed from the NYC Show! R U serious?????? bl ps. dave wyndorf was at this gig >Jed Levin wrote: > >> I must just not be a hardened enough Hawkfan, but I bailed from Coney >> Island High Friday night hours before Hawkwind took the stage. When it was >> 11:00 and I was told there were still THREE more opening acts (after seeing >> two already) I just couldn't take it any more! I'd been working all day, >> and wasn't going to wait till 2:00AM to see them. And it was going to be >> my first time seeing Hawkwind. I think Hawkwind ought to be able to play a >> decent venue like Irving Plaza, The Bottom Line, or even Tramps, rather >> than that scuzzy dive! I wasted $15 and four hours. >> >> Anyway, if anyone who stayed for the show can tell me about it, I'd like to >> know what I missed. The stage was so small that it was hard to believe >> they'd have fit. I'm just a little bitter and really jealous of people in >> England who get to see them in places like the friggin' Earls Court or >> something! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Wed Sep 3 03:34:15 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:34:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: Ahem!! Pete Townsend, born Acton, London 1945 Roger Daltrey, born Hammersmith London 1944 John Entwistle, born Chiswick, London 1944 Keith Moon, born Wembley, London 1947, died 07-09-78, London See http://www.eden.com/~thewho/who.html For xtra detail. Mike P ---------- From: Craig Shipley[SMTP:craigs at PYRAMID.COM] Sent: 03 September 1997 02:02 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? ---------- From: Carl Norum[SMTP:carl at NORUMREZ.USASK.CA] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 8:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama You wrote: > greetings yet again > After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first > rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of > british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock > genre can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of > course)? is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the > Atlantic or am i imagining things? > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > Going for his second BA, > Jason Scruton Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, and another Canadian group, namely Rush, have a load of good concept albums. But you're right... I can't really think of any American concept albums off the top of my head, (from the 70's) but I can think of a lot of new ones. (And most of them are GOOD, too.) Hello, hello, The Who are MOST DEFINITLY from the UK. Now the Guess Who are from the Great White North (y'know the band that gave us "American Woman" and Burton Cummings and BTO). But, Pete Townshends' group was originally outta Liverpool (help me out here, someone!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com --- _________ __ / _____/____ _____ _____ _____ | | \_____ \\__ \ / \\__ \/ __ \| | / \/ __ \| Y Y |/ __ \ ____/| |__ /________ /______\__|_|__/______\_____|_____/ http://norumrez.usask.ca/samael/entrance/ Page by Carl Norum (carl at norumrez.usask.ca) for Hand of Evil Web Productions From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Wed Sep 3 05:26:27 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:26:27 +0100 Subject: 25 years on Message-ID: Hi I bought the original Hawklords album yersterday and found the photos in the inside leaflet that I didn't know; One has 1978 on the top, and the other 1953.. The 1st being the album issue what is the 2nd ? BTW, seen Star Wars recently , and I was amazed that Lucas copied the 'costumes' of Bob Calvert for the rebel pilots ! Olivier - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 3 05:47:36 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:47:36 +0100 Subject: HW: 25 years on Message-ID: >One has 1978 on the top, and the other 1953.. >The 1st being the album issue what is the 2nd ? Founding of Pan Transcendental Industries Inc. 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Alice Cooper!!! 'Welcome To My Nightmare', 'From The Inside', 'Goes To Hell' all tell a conceptual story. 'Killer', 'School's Out' and 'Billion Dollar Babies' are kinda based on a concept but don't tell just one story. By the way, Alice's current shows are among the best he's ever done. Striped down of course but the recent Astoria shows where simply stunning. Catch him if you can. Of course, I should admit to a small bias on this particular post. Apart from Alice, I can't think of any US concept albums from the 70's off the top of my head. There's a few '80s ones like Queensryche 'Operation Mindcrime'. Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 2 12:56:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:56:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! In-Reply-To: <340C0442.AD0E56C2@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <340C0442.AD0E56C2 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >and was told nevermind after finding out the demands of lemmy's manager. > >rj Isn't DS still Lem's manager, then? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 2 12:55:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:55:31 +0100 Subject: I Bailed from the NYC Show! In-Reply-To: <85256506.005353FD.00@?> Message-ID: In article <85256506.005353FD.00@?>, Jed Levin writes > I'm just a little bitter and really jealous of people in >England who get to see them in places like the friggin' Earls Court or >something! Hardly Earl's Court *but* we did used to see them in the greatest venue of all i.e. Stonehenge. I still reckon the best way to see the Hawks is _outside_. NB This is not true of many bands. -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Sep 3 08:14:38 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:14:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: > >Hello, hello, The Who are MOST DEFINITLY from the UK. Now the Guess Who >are from the Great White North (y'know the band that gave us "American >Woman" and Burton Cummings and BTO). But, Pete Townshends' group was >originally outta Liverpool (help me out here, someone!) They are British, unless their accents come from one of the less populated Canadian provinces which has an abnormally large English population in a parallel universe. After all, _Quadrophenia_ dealt with the Mods v. Rockers situation in England at the time the Who started (Weren't they originally christened the High Numbers as an attempt to get in w/ the Mod scene?) Searching for decent American concept albums or the reason for a lack thereof. Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 3 08:15:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:15:33 EDT Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >I guess nobody from the list saw their show Friday night? If I > hadn't just seen them I would've made the trip. Eerie in that they > were playing in the Bouchard's back yard without the killer Bs... > > This is the show I saw the review for where I mentioned Eric looking better. > Added to the setlist were "ME-262" and "O.D.'d on Life Itself", which, > of course, Eric sings. > I saw EB two weeks ago and he sounded and looked pretty good--great compared to the Binghamton show in Jan. They did DaS, and he was really into it. I took lots of pics, but they aren't developed yet. Hope they came out. ME-262 is pretty much a staple of the current setlist, as is OD'd, though I did see them use OD'd as an encore once. Usually, it comes early in the set... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Sep 3 08:27:26 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:27:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Tell Us More! Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > Isn't DS still Lem's manager, then? i don't know who _is_, but ds certainly is not. i've even heard it said that the main reasonlemmy refused to jam with hw in the past was ds. this from an individual who said lemmy said it at a gig in response to the question: ' ya ever gonna jam with hw again?' rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 3 08:38:13 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:38:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: >On 02-Sep-97, Bolts of Ungodly vision wrote: > >>If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the >>appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > >Alice Cooper!!! 'Welcome To My Nightmare', 'From The Inside', 'Goes To Hell' >all tell a conceptual story. 'Killer', 'School's Out' and 'Billion Dollar >Babies' are kinda based on a concept but don't tell just one story. And Alice had a somewhat decent opening band during the early part of the 70's... while on the concept album-o-rama, I think T&M should count somewhat, as all of the first three in their portrait of hell, though not as conceptually unified as the Imaginos saga, still has a central theme of sorts. Especially T&M with it's Red and Black sides. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 3 08:40:15 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:40:15 EDT Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly vision > > > >Hello, hello, The Who are MOST DEFINITLY from the UK. Now the Guess Who > >are from the Great White North (y'know the band that gave us "American > >Woman" and Burton Cummings and BTO). But, Pete Townshends' group was > >originally outta Liverpool (help me out here, someone!) > They are British, unless their accents come from one of the less populated > Canadian provinces which has an abnormally large English population in a > parallel universe. After all, _Quadrophenia_ dealt with the Mods v. > Rockers > situation in England at the time the Who started (Weren't they originally > christened the High Numbers as an attempt to get in w/ the Mod scene?) > Not sure, but I think Daltrey was an out-and-out mod. Certainly dressed the part in early Who footage. And Roger was an expert on all the mod dance steps... > Searching for decent American concept albums or the reason for a lack thereof. > Jason > theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 3 08:56:41 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:56:41 -0700 Subject: BOC on the Radio/Eric's Voice/EW/Concept Albums? Message-ID: Heard an advertisement on the radio this morning, the BOC show outside of Baltimore 9/14. Pretty kewl as most of the music they played in the background was from Club Ninja. Nice little ad made it seem as BOC is as big as Aerosmith. Eric's Voice - '95 was the last I hear Eric really belt out a tune. Yeah they did Lips In The Hills and he seemed fine. Depending on how bad he hurt it maybe he is just now recovering. EW - I tend to agree with John that EB has not been deceiving us about the album these last few years. Miles KB once told me that Eric is the most positive person he has ever met. If he had one fault it is that he could not tolerate anything negative around him. There is always a bright side as he see's it. I think he's touted the album so heavily in the past becuase he truly believed it was gonna happen. BTW - Thanks John for the Website address. Concept Albums? - Dunno can you define what really qualifies as a concept album? I consider these great concept albums, most made in the 80-90's though: King's X - Gretchen Goes To Nebraska Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime Savatge - Dead Winter Dead Remember - "Honk if you love Justice." lil ab OBCD - Gutter Ballet, Savatage From Jed_Levin at INSTINET.COM Wed Sep 3 09:12:22 1997 From: Jed_Levin at INSTINET.COM (Jed Levin) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:12:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Slap Yerself/Need a Good Semi-Recent Tape Message-ID: Ok, I slapped myself for not staying till 12:00 at the NYC show. However, because of the following, I made it a light slap: >there were at least 450 people there. i know at least 40 people got >in free,as well. the club looked like it had a max cap at around 250-300. I really couldn't imagine more than 300 people in there. The place was really tiny. I mean, it makes Rock 'n' Roll Cafe look big. Sort of. And it must have filled up fast, because when I left at 11:00, it wasn't THAT crowded. It was still easy to get up close. Maybe the fact that you could leave and still come back in kept it less crowded till HW came on. Can anyone post an aproximate setlist? I've no idea what they're playing these days. Also, if anyone has a good quality tape from any of the last few tours and would be willing to sell me a copy for a few dollars or trade for blanks, I'd really like to get some more recent live HW. One from the current tour would of course be cool, but any from the late 80s or the 90s would do. Thanks! Jed From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Sep 3 10:57:41 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:57:41 +1000 Subject: Strange Daze: day 1 Message-ID: At 11:32 PM 2/09/97 EST, cjohnson wrote: >Day 1 of the most incredible space rock festival ever: >* * * * * > >Nik Turner's show revealed him in PEAK performance. Even with a >broken leg, even in his late fifties (older than Dave), even with >a backup band that was swapped at the last minute for a different >backup band, Nik was absolutely fucking incredible. Hawkwind was >going to really have to kick it out to beat out Nik's show. > > >Captain Cloud >cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com > Nik Is God. Anyone get pix or recordings that they could swap etc.? Troy Out of the shadows =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Sep 3 10:05:05 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:05:05 -0500 Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: > >i know the nyc gig was PACKED. the band made _quite_ a bit more than their >minimum >goal. i didnt show up for the fest till just before nik went on (happy >sigh). on sunday there had to be at least 600 there. wonder how many paid? Near 500. >i seriously doubt jim took a bath, >tho' he may have lost a few dollars. he had no intention of making money >for himself anyway. Jim would have done it if he was guaranteed to lose some cash. However, he and a few other kind folks really don't need a loss. I talked to him last night at the Nik show and he's okay about it, tho hardly thrilled. "A profit would be nice" is his attitude. Refreshing, really. Btw, that was Jim throwing the sound guy around in NYC... Wylie From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Sep 3 10:07:36 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:07:36 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze: Hawkwind Message-ID: >First off, no Lemmy. Reports were that the "negotiations" for his >participation had not been satisfactory (monetarily), and at the >last minute Lemmy did indeed call to say that he was "sick" >and would not be able to make it. Rumor was that there was a >scruple over first-class plane fare and $1600, but supposedly >there was definitely a phonecall about being "sick". The first class travel thing was the reason. Even good people can have dickhead managers... We coulda had Dave, Nik and Lemmy together. Oy... Wylie From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Sep 3 11:01:06 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:01:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Tapes? Video? Message-ID: OK kids, now is the time when I ask whether any of you have good tapes of the Hawkwind tour. I would love to get audio/video of the shows, especially of the Cubby Bear show and the Strange Daze show. I know these things are out there because I saw lots of people taping. Email me privately if you have these things! I have a largish list of bootleg audio I can trade, or maybe we could work something else out. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 3 13:17:26 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:17:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Tapes? Video? In-Reply-To: <199709031501.KAA05826@wcic.org> Message-ID: I just sat down to send off a post about the *very* same thing :-) Particularly a video of Strange Daze. I can't make videos (having only 1 VCR..) in trade but would gladly send blanks, trade audio tapes or money or whatever. Any video system is fine. So... email me too!! Christian At 10:01 03.09.97 -0500, you wrote: >OK kids, now is the time when I ask whether any of you have good tapes of >the Hawkwind tour. I would love to get audio/video of the shows, especially >of the Cubby Bear show and the Strange Daze show. I know these things are >out there because I saw lots of people taping. Email me privately if you >have these things! I have a largish list of bootleg audio I can trade, or >maybe we could work something else out. >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org > From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Sep 3 11:54:22 1997 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:54:22 -0400 Subject: Hw: repost of nyc gig review Message-ID: Chuck really enjoyed your review of the Festival, definately sad I missed it. Mike Hi all Hope by now you have visited the pic page for the gig: http://members.aol.com/corwyn1961/index.htm Yes the gig was great. There was just one layer of bodies btw me and the stage, as you can tell from the pics. And they were short people ( I am only 5 8 ) so I could see right over them. Alien Planetscapes played before the boys but after a really rotten band named bunny brain or some such nonsense. Alien Planetscapes were very good and I expect they will be popular with the faithful. Their unique sound revolves around a sax man who plays very discordantly. They play all instrumentals and someone near me said they reminded him of Ozric Tentacles, and I agree somewhat. I am lousy with set lists and that such, but I would say that we got a great Golden Void, Hassan I sabba, a very different Camera never lies, a fantastic Brainstorm, Sonic Attack and Love in Space. The new songs were good though I enjoyed the Reptiloid number the best of the new stuff. One of the new songs sounded more like standard, but good, metal than something particularly Hawkish but maybe if I heard it again I would think differently. Ron came onboard painted in white paint from his jeans to his chest and glowed purple in the Black Lights. They had difficulty getting going and in points during the show because the stage was so small. In fact Dave had to use a torch to get his midis and such going and ron kicked out one of his effects boxes accidentally at one point in the show. Over all this was a nearly religious experience for me as I have been a fan since I heard stuff from QSaC in '78 but had never seen the boys having missed them two years ago. I was one happy camper driving the three hours home from NYC to Albany NY, thought a little tone deaf......... I didn't know them at the time but Ron and Jerry were sitting at the back of the club during the first band (who were fairly good) (but I can't rem their name) I saw them but had no clue who they were untill I saw them on stage. And I had my CD booklet from Live Chronicles for autographs!!! Mr. Brock stated that Lemmy was not at the Festival because his manager wanted him flown First Class from Los Angeles to the tune of $1600, I don't know if that story is apocryphal or not, you can decide. Even though there were many technical "slow ups" I will call them during the show Dave was always smiling or laughing, I think that is the secret to his longevity. I think Ron was getting a little miffed with the whole thing but Jerry seemed unaffected by it. Mr. Chadwick was outstanding as expected. I met some Boc-L ers at the gig and I wanted to especially say hi to Chuck and Manny. When it was apparent that they were not going to play an encore I bolted out the door into the cool NYC air and didn't get a chance to say farewell to the folks I met so I hope this suffices. Jim Lasko did a superlative job of putting the mini tour together and kudos to him as well. Laterz Mike Habiby http://www.members.global2000.net/~corwyn/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 3 13:22:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:22:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: >ME-262 is pretty much a staple of the current setlist, as is OD'd, Depends what you mean. Up until early '96, these 2 were staples, but they both had been dropped somewhere around there as more Buck-sung songs were put in the setlist. Their re-appearance in the setlist is a good sign, as they have been absent from most of the setlists from the past year (although I think "OD'd" made it in a few) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 3 13:52:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:52:27 EDT Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > >ME-262 is pretty much a staple of the current > setlist, as is OD'd, > > Depends what you mean. Up until early '96, these 2 were staples, but they > both had been dropped somewhere around there as more Buck-sung songs were > put in the setlist. Their re-appearance in the setlist is a good sign, as > they have been absent from most of the setlists from the past year (although > I think "OD'd" made it in a few) > > John I hadn't considered them in that light--i.e. EB songs, but that is good news. My reference only goes to Dec. of 96 to date. Prior to that I hadn't seen them in maybe 5 years. The 4 times I saw them in this period, they did OD'd every time but one [BOC weren't headlining and only played an hour] and, I think, ME262 every time but one as well. Esp. significant, as they did both songs at the Utica gig, where I thought EB sounded the worst of these 4 recent gigs, and really appeared to be struggling. This last show gave me some renewed confidence in EB, though BD and Danny still shadowed a lot of his parts. What does Bolle say 'bout Eric's voice? And while I whine about the stale setlist as much as anyone, the recent outdoor show proved how effective a one-hour set BOC can put together. The only real gripe I had was in including long bass and drum solos in a short set. All the other songs really worked and did indeed showcase the best the band has to offer. In such a setting, inclusion of familiar stuff is entirely appropriate. I WAS upset that we didn't get to hear the great Harvest Moon. I could hear the roadies talking onstage, and one of them asked if they were going to do it, as, supposedly, BD would use his backup guitar on it? The big 3? Hey, they're here, they aint goin' nowhere, get used to it! Why begrudge them the chance to play their only bona fide hits? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 3 14:48:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:48:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: >What does Bolle say 'bout Eric's voice? I haven't seen Bolle make any public statements one way or the other. However, I do know that EB is his favorite BOC vocalist. John From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Wed Sep 3 15:38:39 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:38:39 -0700 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: ---------- > > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > > > Going for his second BA, > > Jason Scruton > I can do better than that and name a group who released concept albums in the '60s, (and who were perhaps the first band to do so?) FRANK ZAPPA AND THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION Anyone think that maybe "We're Only In It For The Money" ('68) is perhaps the quintessential concept album? "Absolutely Free" ('67) is undoubtably a concept album, also, though perhaps a bit more loose... "Joe's Garage" ('79) for a '70s entry. There's are probably many more also which qualify... Most of their albums at least had a loose theme, musical or lyrical. Charlie From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 3 17:45:56 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:45:56 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze: day 2 Message-ID: Day 2 of the most incredible space rock festival ever: thump, thump, thump well my heart is still beating after ten daze. Too bad about my brain tho, maybe tomorrow I'll get back to normal. It was truly a great festival, I would think those that attended would certainly want to come back next year. Lemmy didn't make it, but Nik Turner did play onstage with HW. For less than a thousand dollars it could have happened too, what a shame. SCATTERED THOTS: Most bands camped out at the festival, and the guy on stage was frequently the guy standing next to you when the next band came on. Band members from all bands appeared accessible throughout the event. Yes very cool. My only regret is missing the Farflung booth, I wanted a couple of CDs. The shirt they sold with Nik and the UFOs were my favorite. If anybody has an extra to trade let me know. HW arrived late in the day on Saturday, and were seen walking around the area checking things out. Supposedly Dave wandered past each and every campsite, to see what was up and how things were. My guess is that he was impressed by the American take on throwing a campout hippie festival. Dave is reported to have volunteered to come My favorite quote of the tour: After Ron Tree observed the goings on of the festival, he said "this is all about Hawkwind isn't it ? At home I couldn't get a loan, here I could walk up to anybody and they'd give 10 quid and be happy to do it". That was what was so special every person ( fan or band member) was a HW fan. Bob Lennon was distributing copies of Hawk-U.S. #6, which came with a floppy containing a dozen JPEGs of HW from the 1995 tour (I believe) and a small color photo of a freaky looking space rock terrarium. Very, very nice, get this one folks. The new HW album has been completed and mixed, except for one song and finishing the artwork. I didn't get a title, but the band played a tape of it to some of the folks at Lascko's house following the Ohio show. The release date is supposedly in October 97. This is my favorite memory of the tour: Although Dave stayed at the hotel, the rest of the band came over to Jim's house. It was a great party that went to sunrise. We all crashed around 7am and woke up about 1pm and started right where we left off. It was thrilling to watch a HW video from a show a few hours previous with the band and watch them react to themselves on TV. I think they had more fun than we did. We listened to at lot of music, with Richard or Jerry playing CDs they had recently purchased (mostly Nik or Pressurehed). Anyway, I noticed Richard put a tape in the deck, but I continued talking across the room. In less than 30 seconds I noticed a distinctive sound coming from the stereo and ran to the living room and sat down. Only Richard, Jerry and I were listening, no one else realized what was going on for about 15 minutes. When the first song ended I ask Richard who we were listening to, he said "us" pointing to himself and Jerry. Folks this new album is fucking killer! Its a different style and perspective. Its hard rocking with hints of hard core punk thrown in, yet one could hear threads of the past to help you along in this transitional leap. There was a _Blue Shift_ ambient song and a long psychedelic excursion about 8 minutes long. Its in the same vein as Pink Floyd's Careful with that Axe Eugene, what a master piece. One song that really stood out was one by Dave, it just left me in such a mood of desolate hopelessness, almost sad. His guitar sounded like it did in Motherless Children. Heavy lyrics. Yes, plenty of lyrics from Dave and Ron. One of the 3 or 4 instrumentals was jamming space rock with Jerry playing over the top sounding just a little bit like Richie Blackmore. The future looks very good, the creative juices are flowing from this new lineup and Dave seems revitalized. They already have enough songs for yet another album. Expect HW to explore the darker sounds and themes. Great folks that I met during the show included Chris Raymond (you're probably on that video of Nik's "HW encore"), Rick and Steve, Pierre and Bruce from Texas, Eli Friedman and Jim Lascko (incredible people who thru this bash), Sade the Witch Doktressa, Steve Lindsey, Damon Capehart, Bob Lennon and Hobbit, Chris and Mary Bruce, Kevin Sommers, Mike Habiby, and Zendog. And most thanks to Doug Bates, for all the tremendous help he gave me and a place to crash. Thanks for the memories dude. Hey where was I when you met all these people from the list, oh never mind. :-) Hopefully, time will allow me to post more comments tomorrow... Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Sep 3 18:17:41 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:17:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: <19970903193714461.AAA320@herbrose> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > ---------- > > > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > > > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > > > > > Going for his second BA, > > > Jason Scruton > > > > I can do better than that and name a group who released concept albums in > the '60s, (and who were perhaps the first band to do so?) > > FRANK ZAPPA AND THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION > > Anyone think that maybe "We're Only In It For The Money" ('68) is perhaps > the quintessential concept album? > > "Absolutely Free" ('67) is undoubtably a concept album, also, though > perhaps a bit more loose... > > "Joe's Garage" ('79) for a '70s entry. > > There's are probably many more also which qualify... Most of their albums > at least had a loose theme, musical or lyrical. > > > Charlie > > > I was about to mention FZ. However there is another 2 words Parliament/Funkadelic virtually all there albums are concept but look no further than Mothership Connection to hear the funkiest concept album ever. I remain Adam From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Sep 3 18:32:26 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:32:26 -0600 Subject: BOC: new info In-Reply-To: <199709031848.OAA09143@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: yOn Wed, 3 Sep 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > >What does Bolle say 'bout Eric's voice? > > I haven't seen Bolle make any public statements one way or the other. > However, I do know that EB is his favorite BOC vocalist. > > John > I spent the night at Bolle's this summer after the LA Summerdaze show, and I asked Bolle this question. His reply was that his voice is improving, but can you really blame the guy (EB) for having problems? Afterall , as many of you stated, BOC have been touring a looong time. He also mentioned that if they were ever to take a long, extended break from live shows, it would be harder to have 3OC motivated enough to get back into the routine of performing, thus effecting Eric's voice evn further. My opinion? Well, I think Eric has been singing a long time, perhaps more than 30 years, so cut the guy some slack!!!! He is, at least to me, a good person and he STILL enjoys rocking..... God bless.....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 3 19:11:28 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:11:28 PDT Subject: HW: Hawk-U.S./Time & Space Fanzine...history Message-ID: Hello all folk from BOC-L a quick note to all about availability of issue #6 of the fanzine: Hawk-U.S./Time & Space they all were given out at the festival "Strange Daze" and if i can afford it in the near future..i'll reprint some more.. otherwise i'm gonna move on to #7... thanks to all who showed support.... and all the beautiful people at the fest love bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Sep 3 22:13:06 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:13:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Genesis Message-ID: Had an interesting opportunity last week at work...Genesis chose to debut there new CD at the Kennedy Space Center in the new Saturn V (Apollo Launch Vehicle) visitor facilty. The gig was billed as a live radio broadcast around the country. The band has a small stage on which they played 3 accoustic tunes from way back. They actually had a great light show. In between the accoustic tunes, they had interviews and played 7 tunes from the new CD (the new songs were not performed live). The singer sounds OK. All an all pretty interesting evening - only about 100 people were in attendance - they also had interviews with space officials from NASA and JPL. Shawn From des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET Wed Sep 3 22:16:54 1997 From: des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:16:54 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: :-) From des at SUPERLINK.NET Thu Sep 4 01:49:30 1997 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (EF) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:49:30 -0700 Subject: test Message-ID: test From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Sep 4 01:08:13 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:08:13 +0800 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: > Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, Huhhh!!!!!!! William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 4 05:10:44 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:10:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: > > > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > > > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. 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In-Reply-To: <01BCB7E3.92854D00@dynamic-44.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCB7E3.92854D00 at dynamic-44.async.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, They're from Shepherd's Bush (moosh!). London. England. I would have thought The Who with their Mod fixation, Union Jack Blazers etc. are as manifestly English as a band could get. flippin' eck! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 3 05:36:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:36:44 +0100 Subject: HW: I Bailed from the NYC Show! In-Reply-To: <01BCB7BE.17A834A0@host5-99-51-78.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCB7BE.17A834A0 at host5-99-51-78.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes > (Still pretty respectable for a band that had one hit, 25 years ago, and >have *never* been fashionable!) Not quite. They were in fact fashionable for three days in 1988, August 25th-28th. The style police approved of them briefly, on the back of the Pop Will Eat Itself cover of Orgone, until dumping them in favor of Dr. And The Medics at around 3.30 the afternoon of the 28th. There was also a half-hour in March '93 when The Orb mentioned them in an interview. That window of opportunity sadly coincided with the revelation that Miles Hunt from The Wonder Stuff knew all the words to Quark, Strangeness and Charm. Happily though, the inevitable 25 page Mojo article scheduled for sometime Autumn 2002 will mean thousands of Rock scholars claiming the the Hawks have always been their favorite band, are a national institution and are second only to The Small Faces in terms of influencing young space rockers, the dominant form of chart music. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 4 08:02:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:02:35 EDT Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > I spent the night at Bolle's this summer after the LA Summerdaze show, and > I asked Bolle this question. His reply was that his voice is improving, > but can you really blame the guy (EB) for having problems? Afterall , as > many of you stated, BOC have been touring a looong time. He also > mentioned that if they were ever to take a long, extended break from live > shows, it would be harder to have 3OC motivated enough to get back into > the routine of performing, thus effecting Eric's voice evn further. > Unless maybe they took the time off to record a disc, and came roaring out to support it with a decent tour, eh? > My opinion? Well, I think Eric has been singing a long time, perhaps more > than 30 years, so cut the guy some slack!!!! He is, at least to me, a > good person and he STILL enjoys rocking..... > > God bless.....Manuel > I don't know how many times I have to say it, but here goes again: Eric's my favorite singer. Period. It just kills me to see him performing at less than full strength, and I'm genuinely concerned for him and the band. I never said he wasn't a good person [leave that up to Deb!]. Even if his voice is just tired [anybody heard Ozzy lately?] it still doesn't explain his lack of showmanship lately and his abrogation of his role as frontman in the band. I'm not trying to hit him while he is down. Nothing would please me more than seeing EB roam the stage with his menace of old, and his devilishly macabre voice enticing the crowd once again. And either way, I'll still show up at any BOC gig within a hundred miles--make that 3 hundred... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 4 08:23:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:23:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: new info Message-ID: >My opinion? Well, I think Eric has been singing a long time, perhaps more than 30 years, so cut the guy some slack!!!! He is, at least to me, a good person and he STILL enjoys rocking..... I don't see anyone giving Eric a hard time about his voice - I think people are genuinely concerned, and since they don't know the real story (and no one who knows seems to want to jump in and inform us) they ask questions based on their perceptions. This topic has come up on other BOC online forums and someone always feels the need to jump to Eric's defense. As I see it, NO ONE is attacking Eric - but, like other fans, I can see and hear the differences, and I wonder what's up. I'm concerned for Eric's personal well-being and for his ability to continue to front one of my favorite bands. Sure, he's been singing a long time and I do hope he still enjoys it - I also hope that he has no problems which will prevent him from continuing to front BOC in the future. I think that most online fans would share that opinion - but it seems like every time someone brings it up, they are accused of giving Eric a hard time - but it's got nothing to do with that. Now, maybe if someone came out and said, "Gee, what the hell has happened to Eric Bloom? I heard him last night and he SUCKED!", then I could understand defending him. But, people are just asking if his voice is o.k. -- think about it - it's nice to know these fans care. So, in what I hope will be my final thoughts on this topic (at least for now), we need to cut eachother a little slack too. I think we can all appreciate that Eric has been singing for over 30 years, sometimes very aggressively, and is pretty spry for a guy over 50 years old, but that time has taken some toll on him -- still, we all would hope that we haven't heard the last from E. Bloom... John From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 4 08:56:45 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 05:56:45 -0700 Subject: More Boc and Radio/ Not the point I don't think/P-Funk? Message-ID: Heard the full commercial today and alas even when some try to do good they still screw the pooch. Commercial is set to live versions of 'Zilla and Reaper. They throw in Dancin' in The Ruins and a small bit of In Thee at the end. The problem with the commercial is the band is identified as Donald Roeser, Eric Bloom, Allen Lanier, John Rodgers and Chuck Burgi. Man how many lineups ago was that? Oh well at least you get to hear a bit of BOC over the airwaves. >My opinion? Well, I think Eric has been singing a long time, perhaps more >than 30 years, so cut the guy some slack!!!! He is, at least to me, a >good person and he STILL enjoys rocking..... >God bless.....Manuel Isn't this a bit of an extreme reaction Manuel? I don't think people were knocking Eric as much as showing concern for his condition and his apparent recovery. I for one I'm real happy that Eric seems on the road to recovery. The 96 show I saw when Buck did most of the vox was absolutely the worst BOC performance I have ever witnessed. It was hard watching Eric just sit behind the keys all night looking more like a stand-in than BOC's front man. Its a good thing if old Fartknocker steps up to the mic and resumes his position as one of the kewlest lead men in the business; its where he belongs. >I was about to mention FZ. However there is another 2 words >Parliament/Funkadelic virtually all there albums are concept but look no >further than Mothership Connection to hear the funkiest concept album >ever. >I remain >Adam Good call. Do you Underwater Boogie with a Flashlight? Remeber folks in the long run were Just One Nation Under A Groove. L8er lil ab "Hang ten for justice." - The Tick From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Sep 4 09:16:52 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:16:52 -0000 Subject: BOC: Radio Free NY Message-ID: >Heard the full commercial today and alas even when some try to do good >they still screw the pooch. Commercial is set to live versions of >'Zilla and Reaper. They throw in Dancin' in The Ruins and a small bit >of In Thee at the end. The problem with the commercial is the band is >identified as Donald Roeser, Eric Bloom, Allen Lanier, John Rodgers and >Chuck Burgi. Man how many lineups ago was that? Oh well at least you >get to hear a bit of BOC over the airwaves. Speaking of BOC on de radio, for some reason a former heavy metal station, now an "alternative" station, [that reason might be called "good taste"] did blocks of BOC on the weekends-and NOT the big three all the time--including "Golden Age," Cities on Flame (the Al version), and either "Red and the Black" or "OD'd." More recently I caught the studio "Subhuman" on a Rochester station, WCMF I think---so somewhere the real heart of BOC's brand of music is being heard (and also on my college radio show too, but that's more expected than an exception). Blast your rafters, Jason From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Sep 4 09:30:33 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:30:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 5:26 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? In article <01BCB7E3.92854D00 at dynamic-44.async.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >Well, the Who aren't British... but they _are_ Canadian, Craig here, I DID NOT SAY THIS!!! I know damn good 'n well that The Who are British and have since 1970!! I was the one that said that the original poster was probably thinking of the Guess Who (a lackluster pop-band). Please get your attribution correct; just 'cuz some people think I'm an old fart (Howdy, David!!) don't mean I've gone soft in the head! (I ain't mad, knowing the way that the e-mails get chopped 'n edited, it may have looked like I said that. If it had been something really cool or profound, I would have never said a word in protest! But, dumb stuff, well, I say enough of that on my own; don't need to cop it from anyone else! ;-) ). Craig They're from Shepherd's Bush (moosh!). London. England. I would have thought The Who with their Mod fixation, Union Jack Blazers etc. are as manifestly English as a band could get. flippin' eck! -- Jon Browne From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Sep 4 09:44:41 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:44:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: Mr. Holmes sez... > > > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > > > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. When were the "Firesign Theatre" albums released? What about Cheech & Chong's albums? I seem to remember "Sleeping Beauty". Mike "Everything You Know Is Wrong" Holmes Mike, Mike, Mike! He said "concept" not "comedy". Cheech y Chong's stuff was funny, but I don't think there was any particular theme that bound the bits together. And kiddies, heres' an example of DRUG DAMAGE! Yes, poor Mike here has suffered IRREPAIRABLE BRAYIN DAMMIGE from listenin' to that DOPER HUMOUR!!! He kain't even remember "Sleeping Beauty" which was shaped like a big red pill! Just goes ta prove that ya don't even have ta DO DRUGS ta be DAMMIGED by 'em!!! :-) Rev. Ol' Fart From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 4 12:07:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:07:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? In-Reply-To: <01BCB915.3B905DE0@dynamic-44.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: And I thought The Who were Swedish all along, with songs like "H?ppy Jakob", "Me?tb?ll Wiz?rd" and "M?gic Saab" :) My brother got killed by a m??se, Christian From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Sep 4 10:58:04 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:58:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Bolts of Ungodly vision wrote: > greetings yet again > After having spent the summer seeing Procol Harum play one of the first > rock suites, the Who perorming Quadrophenia and listening to a lot of > british rock in general, why is it so few American bands in the rock genre > can put out a real classsic concept album (excepting _Imaginos_ of course)? > is it a reflection of the music industry on our side of the Atlantic or am > i imagining things? > If you can think of a good concept LP by an American band from the > appropriet 70s era, let me know or let the list know for that. > > Going for his second BA, > Jason Scruton > Not quite '70's era' - check out "Operation Mindcrime"by Queensryche released shortly before they decided to start lifting bits from Pink Floyd et al in order to "go mainstream." YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 4 11:07:34 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:07:34 EDT Subject: OFF: Swedish hackers Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > And I thought The Who were Swedish all along, with songs like "H?ppy > Jakob", "Me?tb?ll Wiz?rd" and "M?gic Saab" :) > > My brother got killed by a m??se, > Christian Hey, Christian, Why so many top Swede golfers? Doesn't seem like you'd have much of a season for it [though I guess in summer you can play til midnight]. A Swede is the Tiger Woods of women's golf. Karlson [know I f#*+ed the spelling] and others are dominating the European tour, and doing real well on the US tour. But why do they screw up their hats? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 4 13:21:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:21:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish hackers In-Reply-To: <1F8DF4C74F5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Hey, Christian, >Why so many top Swede golfers? Doesn't seem like you'd have much of >a season for it [though I guess in summer you can play til midnight]. theo, theo, theo, theo.... Daniel and I have tried our best. We have posted geography and history lessons on BOC-L just for you, and if you don't soon learn to separate the Norrbaggar and Svenskeradder (and the Danskej?vler) we'll have to send some scandinavian terrorists over to your neck of the woods to clear a few things up :-) >A Swede is the Tiger Woods of women's golf. Karlson [know I f#*+ed >the spelling] and others are dominating the European tour, and doing >real well on the US tour. But why do they screw up their hats? >theo I haven't played golf since me and Uncle Bob knocked a few rounds (?) back in the days of the underground. Seriously, I have no idea about Golf..... sorry! >*************************************** > >...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... > >--Vincent Vega Now, you know which country *he's* referring to don't ya!! :) Christian From micci at SCI.FI Thu Sep 4 12:09:59 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:09:59 +0300 Subject: Alman Mulo Band Message-ID: Hi! Anybody know are Alman Mulo Band cd?s still available? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// \/\/ Miikka Wagner Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 4 15:35:05 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:35:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob's ranting hanky panky terror??? Message-ID: The live version of "25 Years" on Hawklords Live kicks ass!! (sounds like The Stranglers on shrooms and speed, fronted by a rambling streetperson). Anyways, Calvert's rant kicks into (interstellar) overdrive during this 7 1/2 minute of punk rock dementia, and it's hard to make out what he's going on about except the original Brock lyrics... here's what the Calvert stuff sounds like to me (what I can pick out after about 3 minutes into the song when the lyrics seriously start to disintegrate...): ......Livingroom... ...The sky will collapse Disloyalty to charity ... God in a lantern destroying to a scraps Fly me end now skate mile jail Let the baby freeze The fastest ever way to grow your own hair Then conform commited by the dead Then a lung speak a tongue secret lung secret tongue secret tongue How d'ye feel happy cheapskate High price of factory morphine Cool brother simmer family tree safety but Good cause Lordship 25 Years , I been waiting 25 Years ---here Brock's guitar solo comes in----- Elvis being backed by Elvis Costello Rob scream or shout limousine or tight Concert London Harvey Glasgow hanky panky terror Easter country festival line-up off of the record, the eagle (ego?) shivered Challenged her berry (????) We been doing this for 25, 25, 25 years (etc. etc.) (ah oh ah oh etc.) Then it reverts back to fairly comprehensible interpretations of Brock's lyrics (followed by the wonderful rant about standing in the street etc...) Now, can anyone tell me what the hell Calvert is actually saying???? Knut??? Is this deranged babble a mutated piece of Calvert poetry?? I absolutely *love* this live version, but I go mad trying to figure out what hell he's going on about (maybe that's the charm...).... I need to lay down for a bit now, Christian PS: if anyone know which cocktail of drugs Calvert was doing in 1978, I'd love to know so I can be properly prepared for my next job interview. From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Sep 4 16:19:58 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:19:58 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze - B0RN to G0 - The SpaceRock Manifesto Message-ID: Hi all, especially Hi to all those that I met out at Strange Daze. You know who you are. What an event! I think I was most impressed with the 'Nik at Night' segment of the show, after Hawkwind didn't come up with a second encore, Nik Turner, broken foot and all played Ripping Sax, to the handclap accompaniment of the Crowd. He played Silver Machine (and sang), In the Mood (yes, the Glen Miller Standard) and finally a really riffed up version of Master of the Universe with all the parts, crowd singing and chanting the words, lasting about 15mins for a 30min total. Nik is one hell of a Trooper, and he hobbled off the stage to a triumphant chant of "Nik! Nik! Nik! Nik!" Niks set the night before was phenomenal. The hottest, tightest set of the show and it set a standard that In my opinion Hawkwind didn't top, thought they came close. But we are talking about comparing the height of giants here. Quite simply, all of the bands were great, I particularly dug F/i whom I had never heard before. Alien Planetscapes gave what I consider their best performance to date, A blistering mind blast of Cosmic Jazz that set the crowd on fire and then fanned the flames. Check out the new CD from each of these bands, I did and they really matched the quality of their stage performances. Thanks to Captain Cloud for his nice diary report of events. Heres what I have to add to his report: > Born To Go came out. Their lead singer was an english fellow, who > rapped with the audience a bit before and between songs. Yes, I was that English fellow. > These guys > don't have as much SPACE in their SPACE ROCK as some of the other > bands at this festival, but their attitude is definitely in the > right place. > IMHO the music needs more of a synth sound, or more > tonality in the lead guitar perhaps, Well, we certainly intended to be as SPACEY as possible, it didn't help that I left one of the synth modules in the hotel room, its omission wasn't discovered until we set up on stage. Also, there was plenty of synth sound in the stage monitors, but I understand that out front of stage all of the stereo synth stuff was panned left, leaving half the audience with no audible synth. The inimitable Doug Walker also played his ARP Odyssey & effects with us, but was subject to the same panning failure as our regular synth/audiogen man Louis Boone. C'est la Vie. I only hope that the 24track adat recording that was made has all the synth stuff on it. > but the lyrics are dead-on > SciFi/technology stuff. Their influences are good ones. Born > To Go also deserves credit for having been a vocal proponent on > the net for the Strange Daze fest. Captain Cloud: > (I forgot to get my free drink from the lead singer following their > set. They did a song called "Kill -9", and the singer offered a > "..free drink at the bar for anyone who knows what this means!". > I knew those years of college would amount to something!) You can collect your drink whenever we meet, ok? (You were one of only two people who knew this. and the other guy didn't drink! :) > I never did see the fellow giving away copies of the "Space Rock > Manifesto" which I'd heard advertised. Wonder what that was about..? > > Bob Lennon was distributing copies of Hawk-U.S. #6, which came with > a floppy containing a dozen JPEGs of HW from the 1995 tour (I believe) > and a small color photo of a freaky looking space rock terrarium. The SpaceRock Manifesto was also my work, when it became clear that it would not be completed in time for the event, Bob Lennon kindly offered to print an excerpt from it in his Fanzine, HAWK U.S. #6 which he did, I note you picked a copy of this up but I guess you hadn't completely read it yet :) We got a truly magnificent response when we played RADIO CALVERT for the first time live at Strange Daze, and many of people noticed that we mentioned Strange Daze in the lyrics. Total count "Great Gig/Nice Set/I liked you guys etc" was 149! Total count Nethawks (Yes, I thanked all you guys from the stage) 9 There was definite talk on some Alien Planetscapes/B0RNtoG0 gigs in NYC, Philly and NJ, so watch this Space(Rock)! In Space we Trust, Marc. Hopefully I will get a chance to update the website soon and put up some pics of Strange Daze. -- "Freemasons talk about it all the time, their hands at funny angles, In the moonlight, it resembles a biscuit tin that dangles" -- The Beast Box, Howard Devoto From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 4 17:49:27 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:49:27 PDT Subject: HW: US gigs Message-ID: > Btw, that was Jim throwing the sound guy around in NYC... >>Wylie > btw, that was chris bruce being thrown around in nyc bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 4 18:37:56 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:37:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Bob's ranting hanky panky terror??? In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:35:05 +0000 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > The live version of "25 Years" on Hawklords Live kicks ass!! (sounds like > The Stranglers on shrooms and speed, fronted by a rambling streetperson). > > Now, can anyone tell me what the hell Calvert is actually saying???? > Knut??? Is this deranged babble a mutated piece of Calvert poetry?? I > absolutely *love* this live version, but I go mad trying to figure out what > hell he's going on about (maybe that's the charm...).... I'm impressed at your attempt on those lyrics! I'd never before really appreciated just how different they were from the original - I've obviously been too much absorbed in the music to pay attention to what he was saying. Pure stream of consciousness though - I wonder if Calvert could be described as the precursor of the Rap artists? > PS: if anyone know which cocktail of drugs Calvert was doing in 1978, I'd > love to know so I can be properly prepared for my next job interview. I'm not sure that he was? At least not in the way you are thinking. He seems to have had a manic kind of personality anyway without any induced assistance - unless it was National Health prescribed. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 4 22:07:54 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:07:54 +0000 Subject: NIK/HW: Pressurehed/Farflung Message-ID: I love the munchy crunchy guitar and shiny metallic synths on Nik Turner's "Past Or Future" album! How do these guys (Pressurehed) sound on their "own" albums? Hopefully not like on "Prophets of Time" :-)? Which albums have they released and when?? They are Farflung? (eeh... yeah?) Are any of them in Spiral Realms with Dettmar and House? Why's Helios Creed's Cleopatra stuff all tinny sounding compared to those cool Amrep albums... What did he do before those? Your Choice Live is alright and seems to be a separate kind of obscure live album series? I saw a SubPop 7" once but I think he was also in a band called Chrome? Much interest and confusion concerning the stateside wing of that big bird... (..heh... ahem.) Christian PS: if anyone has anything of Dave Wyndorf's (Monster Magnet) old band Shrapnel, I am interested in a tape... From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Sep 4 20:47:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:47:03 -0400 Subject: NIK/HW: Pressurehed/Farflung Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > I love the munchy crunchy guitar and shiny metallic synths on Nik Turner's > "Past Or Future" album! How do these guys (Pressurehed) sound on their "own" > albums? Hopefully not like on "Prophets of Time" :-)? Which albums have they > released and when?? They are Farflung? (eeh... yeah?) Are any of them in > Spiral Realms with Dettmar and House? i have only heard one p-head disc and no farflung. i dint like the p-head, it sounded too mechanical. i hear their other stuff is a bit better. > Why's Helios Creed's Cleopatra stuff all tinny sounding compared to those > cool Amrep albums... What did he do before those? Your Choice Live is alright > and seems to be a separate kind of obscure live album series? I saw a > SubPop 7" once but I think he was also in a band called Chrome? before creed was solo, he was in chrome. definitely check out cleo's chrome box. it is dead on.rj From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 4 22:48:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:48:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob's ranting hanky panky terror??? In-Reply-To: <199709042237.XAA08386@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: >I wonder if Calvert could be described as the precursor of the Rap artists? I think he used a little too much starch in his uniforms for that :) Did he ever do proto-breakdancing like Kraftwerk? Come to think about it I can see him do that. How did all these strange non-funky superwhite chaps ever influence rap is an odd thought (because Kraftwerk actually did). >I'm not sure that he was? At least not in the way you are thinking. >He seems to have had a manic kind of personality anyway without any >induced assistance - unless it was National Health prescribed. Well I know he and Lemmy had some funny drug stories in the Kris Tait book, but that was early on. I'm not sure I see your reasoning tho... doing drugs is no excuse *not* to be mad! :) Christian From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 4 23:51:14 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:51:14 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze: day 2 Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:32:33 EST cjohnson wrote: >SCATTERED THOTS: > >The entire festival went off on-schedule, with all bands starting >and stopping close to the published time. There was absolutely >no police or security presence at the fest, just a lot of well- >behaved hippies having a tripping good time. Correction for Mr. Johnson: There was a definite security presence at the festival, as I had a detailed conversation with one of the security guys on Sunday morning. As of that time, three minor drug busts had occurred. More in a moment. The philosophy of the security personnel was simple: If you bring your own drugs and use them in the privacy of your own tent, that's none of their business. But once you try to sell them, distribute to minors, or become a potential danger to others, they give you the choice of leaving the festival in your own car or in the state troopers' - they highly suggest you accept the former offer. :-) Anyway, the three drug busts as of Sunday morning were as follows: 1) A bunch of guys drove up to the gate and immediately started advertising their wares. As it turns out, their first offer was to one of the security guys, who immediately indicated their choice of exit. As it turns out, these guys were as stupid as they were wasted, since they were caught speeding about 20 miles east (around Allegany) by the State troopers, who not only arrested them for what they found in the car, but also for what the passengers had tried to throw into a ditch. Even stupider, it seems that at least half of their drugs were fake anyway. I don't know about their entire inventory, but apparently they were trying to sell some dried portabello shrooms and pass them off as the "other stuff". Yeesh. 2) A couple of guys had brought in a tank full of nitrous, and were distributing blue (or red?) balloons around. They were thrown out, but the security guys forgot to remove their "I've already paid" wristbands. When the shift changed, they passed right on in and did it again. Once again they were caught, and this time security was more thorough. 3) Someone was caught selling some hash. Anyone else possessing/using drugs (about 90% of the people there) was apparently discreet enough not to cause a hassle. S'there. Damon From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Sep 4 23:45:32 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:45:32 -0400 Subject: Gidzilla Lobbying Message-ID: Hi Y'all. We are currently lobbying the Sony site for Godzilla's inclusion in the new movie. You can post a request at: www.godzilla.com Press HIGH for your bandwith and join the bulletin board there. We started posting there a few days ago and a lot of the Godzilla fans are chiming in with agreements. There are also some funny takes on BOC's Godzilla. This is an official site and I'm sure it's monitored by the powers that be. It would be cool if it's included because the online requests were so great. Thanks for the help! chuck From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Sep 5 00:12:23 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:12:23 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze: day 2 Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:45:56 -0500 Doug Bates wrote: >Great folks that I met during the show included Chris Raymond (you're >probably on that video of Nik's "HW encore"),... Hey, I should be on there too... I was sitting on the fire-guy's table just to Nik's left. I'd like a copy of this sometime... That was truly the best time I ever had in my life (well, almost... proposing to Kathy was purty nice too. :-P ) >Rick and Steve, Pierre and Bruce from Texas,... I didn't get to meet these guys! (I don't thinK) They were the only other people from Texas, too, I think. Where in Texas are they from? Eli Friedman and Jim Lascko (incredible people >who thru this bash), Sade the Witch Doktressa, Steve Lindsey, Damon >Capehart, Bob Lennon and Hobbit, Chris and Mary Bruce, Kevin Sommers, >Mike Habiby, and Zendog. And most thanks to Doug Bates, for all the >tremendous help he gave me and a place to crash. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Sep 5 00:26:44 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:26:44 -0500 Subject: NIK/HW: Pressurehed/Farflung Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:07:54 +0000 Christian Mumford wrote: >I love the munchy crunchy guitar and shiny metallic synths on Nik Turner's >"Past Or Future" album! How do these guys (Pressurehed) sound on their "own" >albums? Hopefully not like on "Prophets of Time" :-)? Which albums have they >released and when?? They are Farflung? (eeh... yeah?) Are any of them in >Spiral Realms with Dettmar and House? If you don't get all the Pressurehed albums NOW, I will have to (gasp!) tell you to buy them ONCE MORE, only LOUDER! :-) I'll forward a review I wrote about their latest momentarily... Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Sep 5 00:26:48 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:26:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Fwd: Pressurehed article and review Message-ID: OK... keep in mind that Pressurehed ended up cancelling the gig, so oh well. Also keep in mind that this is the -unedited- version. I never actually saw the actual, printed article, so I'm not sure how it was pared down. (it certainly needed some, IMO... I wrote it so it would.) Damon On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:14:44 DAMON CAPEHART wrote: ---- Forwarded message follows ---- PRESSUREHED Explains the Unexplained At The Orbit Room On August 5 Damon C Capehart monsieur at mymail.net If you're looking to satisfy your craving for out-of-this-world, pulp sci-fi, psychedelic, industrial, Moog-driven space rock, you'll probably want to skip the Veruca Salt show on the fifth in favor of Pressurehed at The Orbit Room. The band of a thousand adjectives has risen from the Los Angeles underground promising a "killer light show" in addition to their unique brand of - well, what I wrote above. For the past few years, the members of Pressurehed - lead vocalist Tommy Grenas, drum programmer and keyboardist Len Del Rio, former Death Ride 69 guitarist Doran Shelley, and punk band Trash Can School's ex-bassist Paul Fox - have been touring as former Hawkwind member Nik Turner's backup band for his "Space Ritual" and "Spiral Realms" tours of 1993 and 1995, respectively, performing a number of Hawkwind classics including "Master of the Universe", "Ejection", "Orgone Accumulator", "Silver Machine", "High Rise", and "Brainstorm", the last of which was covered by Monster Magnet a few years ago. Pressurehed's experience with Turner and others has helped make them today much like what Hawkwind were in their heyday, and also incidentally produced two superb live CD sets, "Space Ritual 1994" and "Past or Future?", which may be found in the Nik Turner rack. Pressurehed's latest album, "Explaining the Unexplained", shies about 5 degrees away from the in-yer-face, hard industrial sounds of their previous albums to focus a bit more on their analog synthesizers and sequencers. No, Pressurehed hasn't gone techno - at least not completely; the music is still as in-yer-face as advertised. Their experience with Turner and Friends, however, along with their ambient side-project Anubian Lights, has given them more diversity than they could have dreamed as a rising garage band in 1987. From the campy tribal rhythms of "Mokele- Mbembe" and Shelley's reverb-saturated, bluesy guitar solo in "One Who Has Seen" to the danceable trance of "Transgression" and Clash-like straight-ahead hard rock of "Berezovka", Pressurehed prove themselves both talented and versatile. In addition to the impressive music, "Explaining" also comes with "the startling book that asks, do dinosaurs still live in the Congo? What is the 'great orm' of Loch Ness? Have aliens visited us in the past? Do wildmen still roam the forests of the world? This and much more inside." Indeed, the booklet is as entertaining as any of the more outrageous issues of "Weekly World News", though unfortunately without the pictures. Darn. For those of you who prefer the harder-than-hard industrial onslaught of 1993's "Sudden Vertigo", fear not. Due to the aforementioned partnership with Nik Turner, Pressurehed haven't had the chance to tour as Pressurehed since before the album came out, and are quite likely to play quite a selection from that as well as from their 1992 debut, "Infadrone". [[Orbit Room info if necessary]] From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 4 05:44:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:44:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? In-Reply-To: <1DE6A542F2E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <1DE6A542F2E at library.syr.edu>, "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" writes >Not sure, but I think Daltrey was an out-and-out mod. Certainly >dressed the part in early Who footage. And Roger was an expert on >all the mod dance steps... drifting well off here, but The Who by their own admission were not mods but allowed themselves to be marketed as such. Unlike the (wonderful) Small Faces who were mods before they got the band together. The Who were an R'n'B band, initially. Maximum R'n'B in fact! I'm dying to name drop here.... -- Jon Browne From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Sep 5 08:27:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:27:30 -0500 Subject: Off: Concept Albums - Queensryche Message-ID: >Not quite '70's era' - check out "Operation Mindcrime"by Queensryche released shortly before they decided to start lifting bits from Pink Floyd et al in order to "go mainstream." >YFNR >Crawford Ouch Crawford. OM is magnificient but the "mainstream" comments hurts a bit. I take it you are not a fan of Empire, Promise Land or Hear in the Now Frontier. No problem. One thing you can say about Queensryche though is that they are not afraid to take chances with their music. When I saw them this summer the OM songs really whipped the audience into a frenzy as did Lady Wore Black. One day I'll make up my mind as to which of these is the best concept album I ever heard. Everytime I think I've decided on one I play the others and change my mind again. Mindcirme, Gretchen Goes to Nebraska (King's X) Dead Winter Dead (Savatage) & Imaginos. Threshold's Wounded Land may not be a concept album but the theme is pretty consistent. Hang ten for justice.... lil ab From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 5 09:23:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:23:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren/Broken Probes Message-ID: Just got a copy of the Mick Farren and the Deviants collection, _Fragments of Broken Probes_, on Captain Trip records... essential for all Farren followers! Some of it you'll have heard before, three-fourths of the "Screwed Up" EP, and the Broken Statue/It's all in the Picture 7", but lots more - a great nine-minute rant called "Dogpoet", a really nasty live version of "Half Price Drinks", the rare "Lost Johnny" (obHW) single, and, yes, various other fragments... (Also got the Japanese CD of Amon Duul II's _Yeti_, because it's not cut like all the other CD versions.) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Sep 5 08:17:10 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonic Bilby) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:17:10 +1000 Subject: HW: Aussie Rarities!!! Message-ID: Hi guys n gals, You all know which one n particular I'm talking about I'm sure ;^) An Aussie Auction firm (Plastic Passion) sent me a snail catalogue today for Auction #32, which closes on October 6th. Bids can be sent by email to ppmail at iinet.net.au ... tell them I sent you! (Only winning bids get notified) The list is too large to type in completely, so here are the items of direct interest to Hawxters (there's also some BOC stuff in there if anyone wants me to post that as well). They are all Oz pressings unless otherwise indicated ALBUMS ------ 151 HAWKWIND - Warrior on the Edge of Time (UK) UA UAG 29766 1975 Fold-Out "shield" cover + Inner MB $A15 EX/EX 152 HAWKWIND - Warrior on the Edge of Time UA L35539 1975 Non-Fold out + Inner EX/VG+ 153 HAWKWIND - Masters of the Universe UA L36180 1977 EX/VG+ 154 HAWKWIND - Quark Strangeness & Charm (UK) Charisma CDS 4008 1977 + Inner EX-/EX- 155 HAWKWIND - Levitation (UK) Bronze BRON 530 1980 Blue Vinyl MB $A15 EX/EX 156 HAWKWIND - Rock Legends <============= in case you didn't notice!!! Charisma 6321 130 1980 Mega-Rare Oz-Only comp MB $A40 M-/M- 157 Robert Calvert - Hype (UK) A-Side IF0311 1981 M-/EX 158 Robert Calvert - Freq (UK) Flicknife SHARP 021 1984 EX/M- 159 Robert Calvert - Test-tube conceived (UK) Demi-Monde DMLP 1010 1986 M-/M- 12" SINGLES ----------- 410 HAWKWIND - Silver Machine/Seven by Seven (UK) UA 12UP 35281 1978 Embossed silver sleeve MB $A12 EX/M- 7" SINGLES ---------- 624 HAWKWIND - Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in smoke)/It's so easy (UK) UA UP 35714 1974 MB $A6 M/M -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Sonic Bilby - Prog/Ambient/Space Rock Mail Order! -------- -------- PO Box 884, Mt Waverley, VIC 3149, Australia -------- -------- -------- -------- sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au -------- ---------------------------------------------- http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb --------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 5 11:38:56 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:38:56 +0100 Subject: Off: Motorway Pity Message-ID: Provided star protection, choices where to sleep Revving up the engine, you exit to the street Paparazzi on the pavement, bikes straddling the road Extreme motion through the city, the driver had a load It's a motorway pity, it's a crying shame Flashes light the night sky, passing off the blame It's a motorway pity, hit the pillar on the right Spread across the highway, it's not a pretty sight It's a motorway pity, and we've lost the dame Everbody asks why, life will never be the same From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 5 12:48:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:48:18 -0400 Subject: Motorway Pity Message-ID: Sadly true, but a nice effort there, Mike. If the circumstances were different, I would find this funny. As it is, an all too-true re-write... Craig ---------- From: M Holmes[SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: Friday, September 05, 1997 11:38 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off: Motorway Pity Provided star protection, choices where to sleep Revving up the engine, you exit to the street Paparazzi on the pavement, bikes straddling the road Extreme motion through the city, the driver had a load It's a motorway pity, it's a crying shame Flashes light the night sky, passing off the blame It's a motorway pity, hit the pillar on the right Spread across the highway, it's not a pretty sight It's a motorway pity, and we've lost the dame Everbody asks why, life will never be the same From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Sep 5 13:48:30 1997 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (Joel Wendrow) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:48:30 -0500 Subject: Stratton Mt. BOC show Message-ID: Hi, I replied to this post on alt.music.boc. Thought it might be of some interest here. Hi All, I guess it's my turn to crawl out of my corner where I have been lurking for a long time. I now feel the need to add some of my thoughts on what I have read here. Specifically the Stratton Mt. concert review. First let me say what a beautiful venue for a concert. The weather was great and the people that attended all seemed very nice. I was privileged enough to meet a bunch of new people. It just so happens that most of them are BOC fans. I also had the chance to see an old friend that I knew from high school and meet his wife. All very nice people. It was good to see you again Paul. While I can't remember most of their names I do remember Eric (2 of them I think), Kim (Paul's wife) and Sadie, who imbodies all that there is to being a BOC fan. I was lucky enough to rock next to her and all my new BOC friends during the concert. Great energy, we all had a great time. Now on to some particulars. I thought the band was really on that night. I was right up front and was able to see just how much fun the boys were having. They seemed to be enjoying themselves a great deal. I have seen them play about 10 times in the last few yrs. (about 30 times in all) and this was one of the best shows for enthusiasm. Mike says "Buck's Solo As the night progressed they surprised me and played 'Then Came the Last Days of May.' This song made it into my yearbook quotes back in 1980. I love this song but I was a little disappointed when Buck went off on a solo that did not reflect the Live Album or anything that I've heard. Knowing the meaning of the song, the guitar solo has so much feeling and taste that I was disappointed to hear a solo that didn't quite match the mood of the song. (remember that this is all personal) " As "TCTLDOM" is my favorite BOC tune and I wait for it every concert I can say with some knowledge that Buck was so on that night he just played the song straight from his heart and made his guitar wail with the passion that the song demands. While it may not be a cloned rendition off the albums it was true to the power and message of the song. In all honesty it nearly blew me out of my shoes. By all appearances the people around me seemed to agree. Mike says "As the night went on it was just more effects and ....noise. I was up close and decided to move back to hear the sound coming from the wide split of the speakers. Still, the same. I was a little disappoint because I can remember when his sound was clean and clear" To this all I can say is HUH...were we at the same show? The band sounded very clean and clear, from Buck to Allen and Eric and Danny and Bobby. Were they using many effects? I can't say for sure because I am just a fan and not a musician. So as a fan I don't really care if it was effects or for effect.... it sounded great to me. Mike says "Solo's of the 70's One of the moments in Rock history of the 70's is the drum and instrumental solo's. Let's keep the drum solo short. We're in the 90's and approaching 2000 I have never seen a drum solo (except RUSH) in the last ten years. I'd rather hear another great song than a 10 minute drum solo" While I might lean towards Mikes thinking on this I must say that Danny on bass and Bobby on drums doing their solos that night was very powerful. Danny just keeps getting better and was hitting the drums very hard. It is nice and fair to see the so called rhythm (or backing) section get some time to be in front to shine and show what they have offer. So it really didn't detract from the show for me. To be honest I always want to hear another song from the band, solos or no solos. Mike says Eric seemed out of it. "I guess time does take a toll on everyone. Eric voice was in great shape but basically stayed to his side of the stage and played Stun Guitar. I was wonder if he wasn't feeling well. He sung very few songs and didn't have the front man attitude. I guess we all have our days when we hate work" Okay, now to the tuff stuff. Eric did seem to be out of it in the sense that he was very subdued. Spent a long stint on the keyboards and didn't sing very much. When he did sing he sounded okay but not much range. My impression at first was he seemed depressed. I was and am concerned about his well being. I hope all is well with him. At one point I raised my camera to take his picture (he was right in front of me). When he saw me he leaned over and stuck out his tongue like the Eric of old and gave me and all that could see a very big smile. So he maybe just tired or trying to come to grips with what appears to be a lesser role in the line-up until his voice improves or it really could be just about anything. Anyway I hope he feels better soon with whatever is bothering him. Mike says I hope that some of this gets to the band because I want them to realize that no matter what they think or how they feel about their future, that every night when they take that stage, there are people like me who know their songs inside and out and cherish the moments that we spend with them live and in person. I'd like to thank them for a great evening and a lifetime of great music. To these last comments all I can say is amen! From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Fri Sep 5 17:14:38 1997 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Blue Pearl 12 Message-ID: Dans un courrier date du 18/08/1997 19:22:25, vous avez ecrit : << > Just got this latest issue of the French BOC fanzine - excellent stuff! Avez-vous l'adresse du journal, s'il vou plait? >> Hey Mike, don't you know I was the one man behind Blue Pearl ??? Subscription : _3 seasons (from # 0 to # 13) = UKP 30 CHURCH OF THE CULT c/o Jean-Luc CARRIER 134, Rue de Periole 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 5 04:18:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:18:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Moose! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970904160723.006eb210@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19970904160723.006eb210 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >And I thought The Who were Swedish all along, with songs like "H?ppy >Jakob", "Me?tb?ll Wiz?rd" and "M?gic Saab" :) > >My brother got killed by a m??se, >Christian On this quiz show the other day, one of the questions was "60% of road accidents in Sweden involve a moose, True or False?" "False" the contestant answered. "No, I'm afraid it's true, lose 5 points" etc..etc. can this really be the case? Can Stockholm be so accident free that rural statistics skew the national average or is even Stockholm full of mooses (mice?) leaping from behind dumpers? -- Jon Browne Apologies, The OFF-Meister. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Sep 5 23:28:24 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 03:28:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moose! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >On this quiz show the other day, one of the questions was "60% of road >accidents in Sweden involve a moose, True or False?" "False" the >contestant answered. "No, I'm afraid it's true, lose 5 points" etc..etc. Hahaha! >can this really be the case? Can Stockholm be so accident free that >rural statistics skew the national average or is even Stockholm full of >mooses (mice?) leaping from behind dumpers? Wow. I have no idea... it sounds pretty wild, if that's the statistic in Sweden then I'm afraid what Norway has :) But then Swedes are known for their safe cars and proper conduct :-) Seriously, I am as puzzled as you! I used to know someone's mother colliding with a moose once (it ran off but made a massive dent!) about 15 years ago, whereas my own family are more used to crashing into mountains and other cars... Maybe someone in Sweden could tell if this is a joke or not....?? Christian >-- >Jon Browne >Apologies, The OFF-Meister. > > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Sep 5 23:33:49 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 03:33:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moose! (again) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970906032824.006d83d0@online.no> Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >> is even Stockholm full of >>mooses (mice?) leaping from behind dumpers? I think this bit to be true! Christian From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Sep 6 00:27:00 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:27:00 -0500 Subject: NIK/HW: Pressurehed/Farflung Message-ID: > >I love the munchy crunchy guitar and shiny metallic synths on Nik Turner's >"Past Or Future" album! How do these guys (Pressurehed) sound on their "own" >albums? The far end of industrial-space. >They are Farflung? They share some members, but it seems that Pressurehead is Len del Rio's band, where Farflung is Tommy Grenas'. Farflung is _much_ more guitar oriented and probably suits the HW fans' tastes a bit closer. All of their albums are quite good. btw, it was Farflung w/Cleveland's own Steve Taylor backing Nik this mini-tour... Wylie From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Sep 6 16:01:27 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:01:27 -0000 Subject: BOC: Bootleg mysteries and things like that Message-ID: Hey gang, I was looking in a book at Borders with a "catalog" of bootlegs by bands (Hot Wacks 4 or something like that) and noticed that BOC had barely a handful whilst Procol Harum had more....odd. I wonder why since BOC tours so much then and now that is. Searching for all the wrong answer s to the right questions, Jason From AgentOF at AOL.COM Sat Sep 6 17:50:19 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:50:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cast Your Vote! Message-ID: To make it eaisier, I'll try to add a hyperlink to the Godzilla site Godzilla.com Only one guy there is sick of hearing about the soundtrack;-) chuck From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Sep 7 01:26:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:26:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bootleg mysteries and things like that Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Hey gang, > > I was looking in a book at Borders with a "catalog" of bootlegs by bands > (Hot Wacks 4 or something like that) and noticed that BOC had barely a > handful whilst Procol Harum had more....odd. I wonder why since BOC tours > so much then and now that is. maybe it has something to do with the question..will it sell? planty of bootleg vids and tapes out there, but of the homegrown variety. ya see these things at the record showsfor 10-20 each. maybe since they cant get much more than that for something more permanent or professional looking, they dont bother making cd's and such? rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Sep 7 01:44:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:44:49 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze: day 2 Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > Born To Go came out. Their lead singer was an english fellow, who > rapped with the audience a bit before and between songs. These guys > don't have as much SPACE in their SPACE ROCK as some of the other > bands at this festival, but their attitude is definitely in the > right place. IMHO the music needs more of a synth sound, or more > tonality in the lead guitar perhaps, but the lyrics are dead-on > SciFi/technology stuff. Their influences are good ones. Born > To Go also deserves credit for having been a vocal proponent on > the net for the Strange Daze fest. > > (I forgot to get my free drink from the lead singer following their > set. They did a song called "Kill -9", and the singer offered a > "..free drink at the bar for anyone who knows what this means!". > I knew those years of college would amount to something!) Just my two cents about this band and their performance... i disagree with mr. clouds assessment of BTG's space content. i think it is very spacy, but equally rocky. the tunes are just a bit more structured than many of the other bands'. also, all the synth was on one channel due to some technical mishap, so depending on which side you were on, you may have missed it entirely. i was in the back, at the top of the hill, and it sounded great! i just heard a tape of the set, also recorded center/back, and it was excellent. i think chuck's position must have been to the non-synth side. also, i think a little familiarity with the material might have made it more enjoyable. i have heard that this band may be expanding their territory in the near-future, and am looking forward to it. p.s. chuck (and anyone else who noticed), apologies for my apparent anti-social attitude. i was a bit befuddled by lack of rest and over-indulgence. rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Sep 7 13:06:57 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:06:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: Moose! Message-ID: To Jon "The Moose" Brown, Christian "Little Brother" Mumford and Theo "Geography? Huh?" Jackson I've checked the statistics. 1996: 36 000 wild animal accidents of which 28 000 were collisions with roe deers. 5000 were moose accidents. Total number of persons killed in traffic accidents 1996: 500 Total number of persons seriously damaged in traffic accidents 1996: 20 000 Persons killed in wild animal accidents: 11 Persons seriously damaged in wild animal accidents: 89 The province V?rmland has the highest number of wild animal accidents in Sweden, 2500 (1995) of which 25% are moose accidents. 60% of all traffic accidents in Sweden involves golfers which are run over on purpose by drunk Olympic-terrorists in Volvos. Daniel "Swenglish" Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 7 18:56:01 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:56:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Aussie Rarities!!! In-Reply-To: Sonic Bilby's message of Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:17:10 +1000 Message-ID: G'day monsieur Sonique Sonic Bilby writes: > An Aussie Auction firm (Plastic Passion) sent me a snail catalogue today for > Auction #32, which closes on October 6th. Bids can be sent by email to > ppmail at iinet.net.au ... tell them I sent you! > > (Only winning bids get notified) Thanks for posting the list! Sadly I (and several others I know about) got very badly Stung on the last auction list that came through this board and I'm now inclined to regard such lists with a considerable amount of suspicion and/or distrust. However I do trust *you* and if you are inclined to trust these guys then I'll happily accept that as a recommendation and make another attempt 8-) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 7 23:20:42 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:20:42 +0800 Subject: HW: Aussie Rarities!!! Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > G'day monsieur Sonique > > Sonic Bilby writes: > > > An Aussie Auction firm (Plastic Passion) sent me a snail catalogue today for > > Auction #32, which closes on October 6th. Bids can be sent by email to > > ppmail at iinet.net.au ... tell them I sent you! > > > > (Only winning bids get notified) > > Thanks for posting the list! > > Sadly I (and several others I know about) got very badly Stung on the > last auction list that came through this board and I'm now inclined > to regard such lists with a considerable amount of suspicion and/or > distrust. However I do trust *you* and if you are inclined to > trust these guys then I'll happily accept that as a recommendation > and make another attempt 8-) > This lot is reliable. I know the shop, and the person that runs it fairly well, and can tell you that anyone will be safe with this one. Incidentally, some of these items were probably mine originally. If the Psychedelic Warriors one was mine, it has Dave Brock's autograph on it as well! William William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 8 04:56:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:56:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Moose! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970907170657.00913ba0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19970907170657.00913ba0 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes >To Jon "The Moose" Brown, Christian "Little Brother" Mumford >and Theo "Geography? Huh?" Jackson > >I've checked the statistics. > >1996: 36 000 wild animal accidents >of which 28 000 were collisions with roe deers. >5000 were moose accidents. >Total number of persons killed in traffic accidents 1996: 500 >Total number of persons seriously damaged in traffic accidents 1996: 20 000 That still sounds like a lot. What's the population again, 'bout 3 million? And why then, are not all Volvo's, fitted with Moose-bars as standard? This is moose carnage! >Persons killed in wild animal accidents: 11 >Persons seriously damaged in wild animal accidents: 89 > >The province V?rmland has the highest number of wild animal accidents >in Sweden, 2500 (1995) of which 25% are moose accidents. > >60% of all traffic accidents in Sweden involves golfers which are run over >on purpose by drunk Olympic-terrorists in Volvos. I didn't know mooses played golf! > > Daniel "Swenglish" Wikdahl Thanks, Dan! -- Jon Browne From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Sep 8 06:29:54 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:29:54 +1000 Subject: OFF: The Who are CANADIAN?!?! Eh? Message-ID: At 10:44 AM 4/09/97 +0100, you wrote: >I'm dying to name drop here.... >-- >Jon Browne C'mon, off you go. Pete. Ob-soon-to-be-mine-CD: Badfinger - Wish You Were Here ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Sep 7 12:18:02 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:18:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: early UFO: groovy groovy spacerock! In-Reply-To: <199707101727.NAA06300@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: Way back on 10/07/97, Christian wrote: >Having only heard later UFO I've always dismissed them as 3rd rate >--snip--< >I'm curious about their first 2-3 albums, I don't think they are availible >on CD, but this stuff is a far cry from the later (+more successful :-) >Michael Schenker era stuff...... The first album is available on CD, I just saw it a couple of days ago. I think it was in HMV in Kingston, maybe Virgin. It's on a fairly obscure label. There was a double album in Castle's "The Collection" series with a pretty comprehensive selection from the first two albums (and I think from the 3rd which was live). The first album is a bit patchy, I used to own it when I was about 16, but swapped it for a Stones album. They were still pretty good when Schenker first joined them and they were still playing the old stuff. I saw them at the '76 Club' in Burton on Trent (scene of the famous Pistols bootleg) at that time and they tore the roof off the place. Mind you, it didn't compare with Motorhead a few years later who almost literally blew the doors off their hinges with noise *g* The place was really only the back room of a chip-shop with a capacity of about 250 max.... I was deaf for two days. Tatty-bye, ChrisW ObPostKarateMusic: King Crimson/The Great Deceiver (DiscTwo) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 8 07:13:18 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:13:18 +0100 Subject: Dracula festival gig? Message-ID: Is this still on? Does anyone know anything about the festival? FoFP From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 8 09:33:09 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:33:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moose! In-Reply-To: <+CgQYCAs27E0Ew+y@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > >That still sounds like a lot. What's the population again, 'bout 3 >million? About 7,5 million Swedes, many of them now working for Norwegian owned companies (ikkesant, "storebror" Daniel? :-) Norway has about 4 million people. >And why then, are not all Volvo's, fitted with Moose-bars as >standard? This is moose carnage! Moose tastes good! With cranberry sauce and green bean stew. Yum!!! Crash into the moose as many times as needed until you know it's tender. Don't ever crash into a moose with a Saab. >I didn't know mooses played golf! The very reason they get run over so much (how many kids get run over playing ball in the streets, hmmm?). Same rules of fate for careless street-golfing moose. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 8 09:37:44 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:37:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton In-Reply-To: <+CgQYCAs27E0Ew+y@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I have the impression his solo stuff is a little dodgy... I'll be happy to be proven wrong however. How are his albums Elegy (92) and River Run (94)? Also curios about the two Widowmaker albums (*not* the Dee Snyder band :-) Christian From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Sep 8 08:50:43 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:50:43 +1000 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: At 01:37 PM 8/09/97 +0000, Christian Mumford wrote: >I have the impression his solo stuff is a little dodgy... I'll be happy to >be proven wrong however. How are his albums Elegy (92) and River Run (94)? >Also curios about the two Widowmaker albums (*not* the Dee Snyder band :-) > >Christian > AT last, a subject I can come out of lurk mode for. IMHO, I assess the following HLL albums as follows: 1) Time, Space and the LLG- Crap. Very little direction. One good song. 2) Like an arrow..through the heart- Very cool. Good playing and catchy tunes. 3) Elegy- Bloody good. MY fave. The best way to follow up LaATTH. 4) River run- fine. (with special thanks to the illustrious Jill). A little more mellow, with an emphasis on song-writing. A yibbity-yibitta..that's all folks! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 8 08:24:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:24:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > I have the impression his solo stuff is a little dodgy... I'll be happy to > be proven wrong however. How are his albums Elegy (92) and River Run (94)? > Also curios about the two Widowmaker albums (*not* the Dee Snyder band :-) > > Christian i had one of the widowmaker discs and time/space whatever. widowmaker: cant remember the name, maybe self-titled? had the band pictured in a group pose on the front against a white backdrop. kiddie pop. cannot detect huw's guitar sig. reminded me of the crap that was popular when i was in highschool. not the cool crap, the mamsy-pamsy crap. space time whatever- cant remember the title but tis space and time or some such. like someone else posted, one good song, maybe two. avoid it. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Sep 8 08:42:26 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:42:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Moose! Message-ID: >I didn't know mooses played golf! The plural of "moose" is not "mooses". It is "moose". Or in some areas, "meese". From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 8 08:53:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:53:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: > Also curios about the two Widowmaker albums (*not* the Dee Snyder band :-) I've got a second-hand vinyl of _Too Late to Cry_. I must have played it once, around 1979. At the time, I thought it was complete arse - and this when I still thought Hawkwind could do no wrong... - Andy ObCD: Radio Birdman - _Living Eyes_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Sep 8 09:08:56 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:08:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Aussie Rarities!!! Message-ID: On 7 Sep 97 at 23:56, J Strobridge wrote: > G'day monsieur Sonique Gidday Jill (and all) > > An Aussie Auction firm (Plastic Passion) sent me a snail catalogue today for > > Auction #32, which closes on October 6th. Bids can be sent by email to > > ppmail at iinet.net.au ... tell them I sent you! > > > > (Only winning bids get notified) > > Thanks for posting the list! Non-problemo > Sadly I (and several others I know about) got very badly Stung on the > last auction list that came through this board and I'm now inclined > to regard such lists with a considerable amount of suspicion and/or > distrust. However I do trust *you* and if you are inclined to > trust these guys then I'll happily accept that as a recommendation > and make another attempt 8-) I can't vouch for the company at all, except to say that they do send out Auction lists when you ask for them .... William seems to think that they are Ok though, and I do know that they have been around for quite a few years, so I doubt that you'd get done by them. S. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Mon Sep 8 11:22:34 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:22:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970908133744.006f4b58@online.no> Message-ID: In message ID <3.0.2.32.19970908133744.006f4b58 at online.no> on 8/09/97, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: ''''''I have the impression his solo stuff is a little dodgy... I'll ''''''be happy to be proven wrong however. How are his albums Elegy ''''''(92) and River Run (94)? Also curios about the two Widowmaker ''''''albums (*not* the Dee Snyder band :-) '''''' ''''''Christian 'River Run' is good if you like Huw's Hillagish guitar style ... 2 instrumentals on this album; and many compositions by Marian LLod-Langton. Nothing exceptional in the end. Don't know the others. Olivier - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 8 10:46:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:46:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Huw/Widowmaker Message-ID: Not having a very busy day here, so I managed to locate my gatefold (!) copy of _Too Late to Cry_ [1977], which has a band photo with Huw trying to look hard... anyway, I listed to the one HLL composition, "Mean What You Say" - it's kind of a poor man's Free, generic blues-rock, already old hat at the time. Pete Frame describes them as "mediocre 'supergroup'". - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Sep 8 11:24:27 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:24:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: Wow, I didn't know people could have such differing opinions! I personally like Time, Space and LLG a lot. I think it has a lot of very cool stuff on it and the songs are pretty well written. Like An Arrow, on the other hand, I find directionless and not so good. Go figure. Overall, I like Huw's guitar playing a lot, but his solo albums contain just pretty much straight forward guitar/bar rock songs. Not like Hawkwind, really. Granted, Huw's leads are generally 100 times cooler than most people's, but the songs themselves are very traditional in structure, format, lyrics etc. Not much experimentation going on really. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org > 1) Time, Space and the LLG- Crap. Very little direction. One good song. > > 2) Like an arrow..through the heart- Very cool. Good playing and catchy >tunes. > > 3) Elegy- Bloody good. MY fave. The best way to follow up LaATTH. From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Sep 8 14:38:46 1997 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:38:46 -0500 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: At 10:37 PM 9/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:05 PM 9/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >>"The Intergalactic Touring Band", the one and only release by TIgTB, is >about the only one I can think of. Late '70's release... > >Styx is loaded with Concept albums, Cornerstone, Paradise Theatre, Kilroy >Was Here. Boston's Don't Look Back & Third Stage (and even walk on for that >matter. It's actually kinda concept trilogy.) And on the more questionable >side, Meatloaf. Savatag, "Dead Winter Dead" and to a lesser extent "Hall of the Mountian King" Alan Parons Project. 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Al From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 8 20:36:32 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:36:32 -0400 Subject: Bad Channels on Sci Fi Channel Message-ID: Just wanted to warn... bad channels is a very _bad_ movie. it is really cheesy. even if you like dollman and trancers and stuff like that, it is really bad. and i could not recognize the boc tunes. and hell, martha quinn doesnt even look cute. watch it for curiousity sake, but dont expect too much. rj Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > Please, if anyone knows when, post it! > > ---------- > From: Bolts of Ungodly vision[SMTP:scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU] > Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 5:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: Bad Channels on Sci Fi Channel > > Bad Channels will be on the scifi channel sometime this week. So if you > want to watch the film with the 2nd most recent new BOC in it, there's your > chance. > > Jason > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 8 20:43:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:43:24 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: it is form chronicle of the blacksword and live chronicles (plus various live). not sure who wrote it, but i'd guess brock/moorcock. rj Albert T Bouchard wrote: > One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the > ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. > Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. > What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? > Al From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 8 20:44:29 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:44:29 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: correction: was written by brock only. though its based on the concept by moorcock, so credit is due. rj Albert T Bouchard wrote: > One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the > ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. > Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. > What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? > Al From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 8 23:01:30 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 03:01:30 +0000 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20:35 08.09.97 -0400, you wrote: >One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the >ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. >Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. >What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? >Al Well that's interesting! How does someone from the "Hawkwind camp" get their mitts on this one :-) (i.e. I have yet to hear any Brain Surgeons...) Ron answered your question of credits, but how did you figure out the lyrics? I think they are a little hard to pick up on (particularly "tattoo your spine" and a few other things), but it could be just me... You'd do yourself a favor picking up Hawkwind's "Live Chronicles" BTW! (support your local heads) Christian From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 8 21:12:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:12:49 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: hawkwind camp? i was a boc fan for a couple of years before i ever heard of hw! =) i just rarely post to boc, cos there's not much to post about. =( rj Christian Mumford wrote: > At 20:35 08.09.97 -0400, you wrote: > >One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the > >ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. > >Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. > >What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? > >Al > > Well that's interesting! How does someone from the "Hawkwind camp" get > their mitts on this one :-) (i.e. I have yet to hear any Brain Surgeons...) > > Ron answered your question of credits, but how did you figure out the > lyrics? I > think they are a little hard to pick up on (particularly "tattoo your spine" > and a few other things), but it could be just me... > > You'd do yourself a favor picking up Hawkwind's "Live Chronicles" BTW! > (support your local heads) > > Christian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Sep 8 21:35:58 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: Der J. Michael Looney sagt... (about concept albums)... Savatag, "Dead Winter Dead" and to a lesser extent "Hall of the Mountian King" This is an '80's band, correct? I think that the request was for '70's material. I could be wrong (never heard Savatage; any synths? HI, DAVID!!! ;-) ). Alan Parons Project. All of the albums Uhhh, this is a UK band. The criteria was that it had to be a US band (which didn't produce much in the way of concept albums). I gotta dig thru some of my older LP's and oddball CD's, 'cuz I'm sure that there are a couple that I'm missing... Jeff Waynes "War of the Worlds" UK effort.... No flames meant, just trying to keep this from becoming a "who's who" (they're from the UK, not the Great White North!!!! :-)) of concept LP's... ...and it can't be a concept album if it had a single on it that got alot of airplay on Top 40 radio, nyahhh-nyahhh-nyahhh! So that lets Styx and Boston out! :-) (I like both, but Styx got wayyyy too commercial after "Crystal Ball" and, other than the LP covers seemed to tell a story, Boston never struck me as a band that had "concept" in mind when they were making their music (other than to make some damn fine r'n'r, with state of the art production.) All IMHO.... obCDPlayer: Abraxas Pool / AP. Calling Carlos, your old band is waiting (and they are HOT!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Sep 8 21:44:26 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:44:26 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: According to the LP label on LIVE CHRONICLES (It first appeared on CHRONICLE OF THE BLACK SWORD and there was a 12", too), it was written by Dave Brock. No additional credits... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Albert T Bouchard[SMTP:ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 8:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? Al From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Sep 8 22:50:34 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:50:34 +1000 Subject: HW: covers???? Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know if these tracks have anything at all to do with HW, or is it just co-incidence?? http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/205917 http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/118360 Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Sep 9 03:12:15 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 03:12:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels on Sci Fi Channel Message-ID: The movie is indeed terrible, even by Full Moon's standards. Also as I recall the two songs by the band are chopped up and barely audible. I'd recommend tracking down the soundtrack cd, which features the two plus a score by Buck Dharma (solo) which is dense, spacey and far, far better than the project warranted (the score is "unusually powerful", Billboard said). If memory serves the movie opens with the "Overture" (2:01), featuring some really nifty BD licks, so interested parties might consider bailing out after that. -Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 8 12:27:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:27:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Moose! In-Reply-To: <199709081242.IAA16494@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: In article <199709081242.IAA16494 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >Or in some areas, "meese". I hate those meeses to pieces! -Mr. Jinx- -- Jon Browne From abrahamsson at USA.NET Tue Sep 9 07:00:56 1997 From: abrahamsson at USA.NET (Kenneth Abrahamsson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:00:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: early UFO: groovy groovy spacerock! Message-ID: All three albums are available on CD: UFO - 1 Green Tree Records GTR 015 UFO - Flying, one hour space rock Green Tree Records GTR 016 The third live album is available as bonus tracks on the above CD:S. Bye, Kenneth >Way back on 10/07/97, Christian wrote: >>Having only heard later UFO I've always dismissed them as 3rd rate >>--snip--< >>I'm curious about their first 2-3 albums, I don't think they are availible >>on CD, but this stuff is a far cry from the later (+more successful :-) >>Michael Schenker era stuff...... > >The first album is available on CD, I just saw it a couple of days ago. I >think it was in HMV in Kingston, maybe Virgin. It's on a fairly obscure >label. There was a double album in Castle's "The Collection" series with a >pretty comprehensive selection from the first two albums (and I think from >the 3rd which was live). The first album is a bit patchy, I used to own it >when I was about 16, but swapped it for a Stones album. > >They were still pretty good when Schenker first joined them and they were >still playing the old stuff. I saw them at the '76 Club' in Burton on >Trent (scene of the famous Pistols bootleg) at that time and they tore the >roof off the place. Mind you, it didn't compare with Motorhead a few >years later who almost literally blew the doors off their hinges with noise > *g* The place was really only the back room of a chip-shop with a >capacity of about 250 max.... I was deaf for two days. > >Tatty-bye, >ChrisW >ObPostKarateMusic: King Crimson/The Great Deceiver (DiscTwo) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 9 06:01:09 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:01:09 +0100 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: Albert T Bouchard's message of Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:35:11 -0400 Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the > ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. > Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. > What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? >From the codex: Needle Gun 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Night of the Hawk 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 a Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 3 Live Chronicles L 3 Hawkw Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * 1a is an edited version of 1. Translation: Needle Gun first appeared on the studio album "The Chronicle of the Black Sword" (1985) and was credited to Brock. It is based on the Eternal Champion Jerry Cornelius's weapon of choice and can presumably be regarded as a manifestation of the Black Sowrd within the mythos. The same version appeared on the compilation album "Night of the Hawk" and on the 4-CD compilation by Griffin "25 Years On". A shorter version appeared on the Needle Gun 7" single and the 12" EP available as a pic disk. A Live version (1985) appeared on the Dawn of Hawkwind bootleg CD with another live version appearing on the Live Chronicles album recorded on tour (December 1985). This version also appeared on the Castle triple CD compilation. The Reading '86 festival furnished another live recording of the song with yet another (1991) appearing on the "Lords of Light, Kings of Speed" concert CD. Lyrics: So you're alive, I thought you was done I'm gonna bring you down with my needle gun Feel my pin prick tattoo your spine Give it a minute, your life's entwined With mine It's gonna make you run Needle gun, needle gun Hear my laughter In your head It's a pity it's a shame Nothing's been said It's a vaccination joy With the ultimate death toy It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun Evil needle gun From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 9 08:11:31 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:11:31 +0000 Subject: Best of both worlds.. (Re: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun) In-Reply-To: <3414A291.EBEF82BC@starlinx.com> Message-ID: At 21:12 08.09.97 -0400, you wrote: >hawkwind camp? i was a boc fan for a couple of years before i ever heard of hw! >=) Did I say anything else??????????????? :-) >i just rarely post to boc, cos there's not much to post about. =( >rj If all goes well there will be.... Christian (def.: subbed for Hawkwind, familiar w/BOC, picked up a couple more BOC items after joining and traded off one of them... being Imaginos!) From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Sep 9 05:18:10 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:18:10 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: <199709091001.LAA23703@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Sep 9, 97 11:01:09 am Message-ID: Funny . . . I always thought it was "entirely", not "entwined". :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 9 07:50:43 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:50:43 -0700 Subject: OFF: Concept Albums Message-ID: Craig S.>(about concept albums)... >Savatag, "Dead Winter Dead" and to a lesser extent "Hall of the Mountian >King" This is an '80's band, correct? I think that the request was for '70's >material. I could be wrong (never heard Savatage; any synths? HI, DAVID!!! >;-) ). Savatage is an 80's-90's band. Hall of the Mountian King was a mid 80's effort while DWD was out about 2 years ago. Have never heard Hall but DWD is an awesome album. Not what you may consider Prog Rock but it smokes. Sav doesn't use a lot of synths but Jon Oliva has serious chops on the piano. A haunting airy sound , very much like Al Laniers great keys on certain BOC songs. Combine the keys with Queen like vocals and other orchestral sounds and viola! Give this one a spin Craig followed by Imaginos. If so you may see why a tBS/Savatage pairing on a re-done Imaginos would blow the roof off the rock and roll world. L8er lil ab "No brains today, just a healthy portion of humble pie." - The Tick From chip at PCC.COM Tue Sep 9 08:31:27 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:31:27 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Sep 8, 97 08:35:11 pm Message-ID: Al: > One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the > ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. > Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. > What Hawkwind albums is this song on and who are the writers? The BOC-Hawkwind-Brain Surgeons circle is now complete. Isn't this one of the signs of the Apocolypse? -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Sep 9 10:03:45 1997 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:03:45 +0000 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: >One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the >ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. >Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. AAARRRRGGHH! Now I'll be humming that all day! All it took was a moment of imagining what it'll sound like... (Fun tune, aint?) Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 9 10:48:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:48:24 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: >On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > >One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the >ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. >Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. wondering... was it straight up or altered for christmas like 'cities' was... I mean, I can just imagine a song called "needle pine" or "needle tree".... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Sep 9 11:29:37 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:29:37 -0400 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970908183846.006793e4@ionet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, J. Michael Looney wrote: > Savatag, "Dead Winter Dead" and to a lesser extent "Hall of the Mountian King" Speaking o' headbangin' type groups, didn't King Diamond and/or Mercyful Fate do several concept albums? The title "Abagail" springs to mind... Boing! Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From stayer at PI.NET Tue Sep 9 10:21:53 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:21:53 -0700 Subject: OFF: Concept Album-o-rama Message-ID: I just came back from Poland to re-subscribe to BOC-L (two weeks away from my computer while being subscribed to this list is not a good idea...), and now I find out you have been discussing concept albums! Couldn't you wait for me? :-) > >>"The Intergalactic Touring Band", the one and only release by TIgTB, is > >about the only one I can think of. Late '70's release... Now /that's/ an interesting one! It's the first time I hear someone mention this album. Inside the booklet, they mention another album including a record company cat#. Does anyone know about this? They mention it as part of the story, but the inclusion of the cat# makes me doubt... > >Styx is loaded with Concept albums, Cornerstone, Paradise Theatre, Kilroy > >Was Here. Boston's Don't Look Back & Third Stage (and even walk on for that > >matter. It's actually kinda concept trilogy.) And on the more questionable > >side, Meatloaf.J. Michael Looney wrote: > Savatag, "Dead Winter Dead" and to a lesser extent "Hall of the Mountian King" > Alan Parons Project. All of the albums > Jeff Waynes "War of the Worlds" I haven't followed the history of this thread, so I'll probably say something that's been said before, but let me add to that most of the early Nektar albums. Interesting thing is that there is one Nektar live tape on which they play Silver Lady, from the IGTB album... More heavy progressive rock: Saga - Generation 13 (1995) and Ayreon - The Final Experiment (1995). Most recent one: IQ - Subterranea: double concept CD, released this month. Glad to be back, Jerry From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 11:59:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:59:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Moose! Sorry, but I can't resist the urge to answer. Message-ID: Christian wrote: >Jon Browne wrote: >> >>That still sounds like a lot. What's the population again, 'bout 3 >>million? > >About 7,5 million Swedes, many of them now working for Norwegian owned >companies According to the Central Bureau of Statistics Swedens population is 8 849 393 persons (but that number is from the end of July... I'll guess 1.3 million Swedes has been killed in moose-accidents the last month... :-) Vad svarar man p? det sista? Det ?r forpult! :-) >(ikkesant, "storebror" Daniel? :-) Norway has about 4 million >people. 4 million seal and whale killers. And the plague rat (?) is named after their country (Rattus Norwegicus). Christian proudly uses that as a nickname sometimes when he posts to BOC-l... [deep sigh!] :-) > >>And why then, are not all Volvo's, fitted with Moose-bars as >>standard? This is moose carnage! Moose-bars is a good idea, it's also a nice place to put your golf bag. > >Moose tastes good! With cranberry sauce and green bean stew. Yum!!! True. Moose is really good but it's hard to get if don't know a hunter. I don't think "hunting" with Volvos is legal. [ BTW, a danish journalist teacher a spoked to this summer said this to me: "I really like Sweden a lot, but it's a kind of policestate 'cos every time people in Sweden think something is fun your goverment comes up with a new law that bans all the fun"] >Crash into the moose as many times as needed until you know it's tender. > >Don't ever crash into a moose with a Saab. No, not the cars but you can use some of the fighting aircrafts that SAAB builts (i.e the plane "JAS" http://arizona.rydnet.lysator.liu.se/jas.htm ...unfortunately I couldn't find any pictures of it crashing. It has done that two times. Both times in front of TV-teams with running cameras. Same pilot both times (his still alive but I have no idea of what his doing for a living these days. Maybe he's a helicopter pilot in Norway?[d?ligt sk?mt!]) Second time it crashed was in -93 in the centre of Stockholm. ) BTW, I think GM is the main owner of SAAB... [deeper sigh!]... but at least GM is not a Norwegian company [happy, happy, joy, joy]. sorry -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 9 13:51:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:51:14 +0000 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun In-Reply-To: <199709091448.KAA25543@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 10:48 09.09.97 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >wondering... was it straight up or altered for christmas like 'cities' was... >I mean, I can just imagine a song called "needle pine" or "needle tree".... In the lo-budget video tBS, dressed as cute elves (or meese/mooseses/minces), could be chased by some guy running around in a X-mas tree outfit.... (then there's the Jerry Cornelius/Jesus Christ connection too...) hmmmm... Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 9 12:49:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:49:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Moose! Sorry, but I can't resist the urge to answer. In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970909155901.009123d0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19970909155901.009123d0 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes > > sorry -Daniel Thanks for the definitive statement there, Dan. I guess I should ring that quiz show and tell them to give the guy his goddamn points back! Another burning issue settled by BOC-L! -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 9 15:07:09 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:07:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: >At 10:48 09.09.97 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >>wondering... was it straight up or altered for christmas like 'cities' was... >>I mean, I can just imagine a song called "needle pine" or "needle tree".... > >In the lo-budget video tBS, dressed as cute elves (or >meese/mooseses/minces), could be chased by some guy running around in a >X-mas tree outfit.... (then there's the Jerry Cornelius/Jesus Christ >connection too...) Okay, that does it. We need to write a moose song. I dunno. Something like... Magnu, moose with golden horns... Rocky & Bullwinkle Paths hmmmmm Not much very close at all.... that I can think of. What's the scientific name for moose? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 15:20:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:20:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: >What's the scientific name for moose? Alces alces. But that's the European moose (i.e elk -not at all the same animal as the American elk which is a completely different animal. The European moose is smaller than the American version. But everything is bigger overthere -the trees, the moose, the bears, the people, the cars etc -so maybe the US/Canadian moose is called ALCES ALCES... I dunno... ) br?l -Daniel ps I'm pretty sure that the American moose even makes more noice than his European cousin when he lows ds "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 9 15:38:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:38:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: > From: Daniel Wikdahl > >What's the scientific name for moose? > > Alces alces. But that's the European moose (i.e elk -not at all the same animal > as the American elk which is a completely different animal. The European moose > is smaller than the American version. But everything is bigger overthere > -the trees, the moose, the bears, the people, the cars etc -so maybe the > US/Canadian moose is called ALCES ALCES... I dunno... ) > > > br?l -Daniel > Well, i'm up for another geography lesson...First off, i know that Daniel, Christian and Jon AREN'T Dutch. And I can't speak for Scandinavia, but the tallest people I ever saw were in Holland. I don't think there's a person in the whole country--man or woman--under six feet tall. I don't know how many cm that is, but i guess it's a lot. So not everything American is bigger... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Tue Sep 9 15:43:53 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:43:53 EDT Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >What's the scientific name for moose? "What do you mean - American or European moose?" > Alces alces. But that's the European moose (i.e elk -not at all the same animal > as the American elk which is a completely different animal. The European moose > is smaller than the American version. But everything is bigger overthere > -the trees, the moose, the bears, the people, the cars etc -so maybe the > US/Canadian moose is called ALCES ALCES... I dunno... ) "You have to know these things when you're on the BOC-L list, you know." MWood From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 16:06:37 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:06:37 +0200 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: MWood you wrote: >Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >> Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> >What's the scientific name for moose? > >"What do you mean - American or European moose?" Alces alces=elk (=European moose) Alces alces gigas= moose (American moose) Cervus "something" =elk (American elk) and the bears Ursus Arctus= European Bear (what we here in Sweden call "brun bj?rn" ="brown bear" Ursus arctos horriblis= Grizzly (same species as the European one... only biiiggeeeer). >"You have to know these things when you're on the BOC-L >list, you know." Yep! Homo homini lupus -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 9 16:34:42 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:34:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? lil ab OBCD - Dream Theater - Awake From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 16:40:18 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:40:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose and tall people Message-ID: I wrote: >> is smaller than the American version. But everything is bigger overthere >> -the trees, the moose, the bears, the people, the cars etc -so maybe the >> US/Canadian moose is called ALCES ALCES... I dunno... ) theo says: >Well, i'm up for another geography lesson...First off, i know that >Daniel, Christian and Jon AREN'T Dutch. And I can't speak for >Scandinavia, but the tallest people I ever saw were in Holland. I >don't think there's a person in the whole country--man or >woman--under six feet tall. I don't know how many cm that is, but i >guess it's a lot. So not everything American is bigger... I didn't mean big as in tall... Sweden used to have the tallest people in the world (with the exception some obscure tribes in Africa, which seldom are count in comparisons like this one) but last year or so the Dutch people grew ;-) and became the tallest. When I visited Holland this summer quite many told me this (including Jerrys brother... I think... I was little bit dizzy at the moment) and when I came home again I didn't took a long time until I'd read 3-4 press items about it in Swedish newspapers. I think this is a quite interresting question and really would like to know why this has happened. I mean the living standard in Sweden are not as high as it used to be but at the same time it's not _that_ much below what it was before the economic crisis. It can have something to do with the large number of immigrants that have come to Sweden in the 80s and the 90s. [Only the following countries in Europe have more _refugees_ than Sweden :Bosnia, Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia (Serbia), Croatia. After Sweden comes France and then Switzerland. And you have to keep in mind that Swedens native population is not big (now approx. 7.5 millions)] [...and I hope you understand that eventhough this might sound "not political correct" maybe even as a rascists thoughts... that is not all what I intended ...it's just possible explanations and the way things works...] -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Sep 9 17:20:26 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:20:26 -0700 Subject: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: ---------- > One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of > imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read > the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is > about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene > all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? > > lil ab > > It seems that the punk attitude has once again become popular--little or no solos. They are thought to be self-indulgent, I think, and not sincere. I don't know why. I think solos (leads) can be just as moving for the listener as for the musician. Never understood that. C From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 17:53:30 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:53:30 +0200 Subject: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: Chuck: >It seems that the punk attitude has once again become popular--little or no >solos. They are thought to be self-indulgent, I think, and not sincere. So they say. But this is hardly a *new* phenomena -this has been the way of playing rockmusic since Nirvana's big break-through in -91. I think it's good that the bands dare to question what is a essential a part of the music and what that is not. Solos happened to be excluded. (...and some of you will say the same thing happened to the melodies... but I will not.) I don't think this has anything to do with if the musicians were better in the past, it's just an interresting development and attitude towards music. And some of the axemen that are really good players like Kim Thayil from the now dead group Soundgarden (at least I miss them), but of course -they used to have solos quite often eventhough they weren't so long. They also understood that it is possible to break the unwritten law that says that a solo has to be placed in between the second and third verse. If they had one they put it somewhere else instead. But Soundgarden where self-indulgent in other ways that I'm not going to discuss here. And honestly, do any of you miss the exposure of guitarrists like Yngwie Malmsteen..? But all this is yesterdays news in Europe (at least in Sweden),alternative/grunge/whatever is only a big thing in the US right now and I think it's hard to say what will be the next trend. Industrial Metal in the shape it has right now will probably not grow so much bigger, but it's not impossible that it turns to some kind of a techno-industrial metal hybrid later on. With or without solos. ;-) > I >don't know why. I think solos (leads) can be just as moving for the >listener as for the musician. Agree. But not _always_. >Never understood that. -Daniel > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 9 19:54:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:54:07 +0000 Subject: ON: Choose Your Moose! (Re: OFF: Needle Moose) In-Reply-To: <199709091907.PAA09076@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: >>At 10:48 09.09.97 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Okay, that does it. We need to write a moose song. First off I suggest we change the mailing list to MOOSE-L. Divided into subjects of the American, African and European Moose (there is a difference - the african moose is a camel and can carry a medium sized coconut suspended between its two large tumors by a very thin straw..). All this because my brother got run over by a golf-cart riding Swedish m??se on its way over to theo's house to play golf. And Jon losing that ?20 prize on TV. Here's my song: CHOOSE YOUR MOOSE (Marty/Bullwinkle) They have handed out the golfballs and your Volvo's ready too But the most important item has been left up to you You must hit it with precision and once it's hit you'll find That the moose which you have chosen Shall be flattened from behind For the moose you have selected Stands for dinner and is raw But you cannot cook it all now you ain't hungry anymore Choose your moose a golf game's forming Choose your moose the dinner's warming Choose your moose and choose the ride which you'll be on And learn the words of your new song for the golf game will be long --- Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 18:02:44 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:02:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very interesting if some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own experience and opinions on this. I believe this is true. -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Sep 9 17:59:45 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:59:45 -0400 Subject: HW: US Gigs Message-ID: Hello, This is coming over a week late due to a bad case of influenza. I am writing a couple of notes pertaining to the Strange Daze Weekend. I attended the Friday night Coney Island High gig, and had a nice time. I hope my comments do not contrast too much with what was previously posted. The first band was Finally Balanced. They were very good great lead guitar and spacey sounds. The next band was the Bunny Brains. They were very crude, obnoxious, and basically the whole set was just loud noise with lots of feedback and occasional screaming. In short: I loved it! I could tell that most of the people around me hated it. There was a man with a British accent that walked out, saying he had never heard such rubbish in all his life. I told myself _these guys are so bad, they are great_. The next band was Alien Planetscapes; who were playing very complex songs with many different styles. All three of these bands were very loud, my ears were hurting. The stage was very small and Doug Walker could not even play from the stage. I liked them a lot, but was hesitant to purchase their CD. When Hawkwind came on around midnight, it was sweltering in the club. The club was packed with anxious fans. The sound in the beginning of the set was terrible, very muddy and unclear. I could see that Jerry was blasting away on his guitar, but could not hear him. Ron's bass was louder than anybody else. By the end of the set, the sound was clear. I did not write the set list down, but some of the songs were: The Wheel, Golden Void, a full length Standing At The Edge (not abbreviated like at Strange Daze) Sonic Attack, Assassins of Allah, Space Is Their Palestine, Love In Space, Brainstorm, Reptile Vision, Blue Skin and Ejection to name a few. I really liked their newer heavier sound. It was a night to remember for sure. It was not my favorite Hawkwind performance, but I chalked it up to the heat, the cramped space, hearing impairment from the Bunny Brains etc. On Sunday afternoon at the Festival, Dave and Richard walked by my campsite. I said hello and told them that I saw them on Friday. Dave replied that they played below par that night and that it was so hot that they could barely breathe back there on the stage. I was relieved to hear that from him because I was actually feeling guilty about not being blown away by the band. Looking back though, it was an incredible experience that I will relish for years to come. In a later post I will share a couple of thoughts about the festival. Chris From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Sep 9 18:24:40 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:24:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: Well, there is one modern guitar rock virtuoso everyone should be aware of: J. Mascis, the guitarist/singer/songwriter/all around musical genius of Dinosaur Jr. He plays flat out guitar rock, solos and all, which is nevertheless not really in an outdated style. He sounds thoroughly modern yet retro simultaneously. If you are mainly a fan of older bands, you might try picking up "Where You Been" as a first venture into the sonic stylings of Dinosaur Jr. It's an album with a bit more of a classic rock feel than some of the others. Next choice would be "Green Mind," which is, in my opinion, the finest Dinosaur Jr. record. If you are a little more inclined toward loud psychedelic/vaguely punk influenced stuff, definitely get "You're Living All Over Me". I would have to say that "You're Living All Over Me" is the album that confirmed J. Mascis as one of the guitar geniuses of the age. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org At 03:34 PM 9/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of >imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read >the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is >about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene >all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as >none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old >standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an >opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted >Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > >I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear >enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Sep 9 18:36:56 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:36:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] > music that > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". Most of my favorite music today is the same stuff I listened to when I was fifteen in 1977. Those bands would be Hawkwind, Uli period Scorpions, Schenker period UFO, Grounghogs, Gong etc. > -Daniel > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 9 19:12:47 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:02:44 +0200 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music that > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". > I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very interesting if > some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own experience > and opinions on this. There's another similar comment which I'm also inclined to accept that says that the music you will always prefer is whatever music you are listening to when you first achieve social mobility. I guess this is true enough for me in that my preferred type of music spans the period covering the last year or so at school and my first year or so in the wide world of employment - probably the first bit of serious social adjusting I had to do! Certainly by age 24 my preferences were firmly fixed and although I may have both expanded and augmented this over the years my overall preferred type of music style and sound has not altered. Yours in moosical appreciation jill ======================================================================= J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Tue Sep 9 19:44:52 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:44:52 -0400 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: Well this Brain Surgeons fan will finally get to hear a Hawkwind tune. Should be very interesting! Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Tue Sep 9 19:51:42 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:51:42 -0400 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: <01BCBC9F.3489CF80@dynamic-8.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Craig Shipley wrote the request was for '70's I have already posted my feelings concerning Parliament/Funkadelic in the concept Album realm but I feel clarification is necessary obviously there is 1976's awesome Mothership Connection the less succesful 1975 Chocolate City and the great The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein among others and also let me mention Funkadelic's incredible 1971 Maggot Brain and the phenomenal 1972 double album America Eats Its Young. We must never foget our SpaceFunk brothers for it is all most definitely on the one. I remeber first noticing the ability of the bass via Phil Lesh (perhaps we could even consider 1975's Blues for Allah a concept album !975's Sea Stones most definitely is as is 1968's Anthem of the Sun opps forgot 1970's only) Bootsy Collins and all the other Parliament/Funkadelic Bass Players opened a new realm of bass playing to me. Then of course when I heard Lemmy with HW I knew the instrument had no bounds. Someone else has already mentioned Frank Zappa another great. I would also like to mention Harry Nilsson whose 1970 underated Point album is concept great. As are some of his earlier 60's albums. I remain Adam obCDPlayer: The Complete Blue Note Recordings of Art Blakey's 1960 Jazz Messengers. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Sep 9 20:04:44 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:04:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: Hi, I'm Kenneth and new to the mailing list and maybe, just maybe, I should write something more intelligent as my first entry, but I couldn't resist the moose thread: Didn't Hawkwind do a song called Black Elk Speaks a decade (or something) back ? Och h?rdu, Daniel, ska det inte vara Homo Lupus Homini ? Taketh Care, Kenneth Magnusson in a B?rje Lundin-disguise Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 9 20:22:33 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:22:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: At 02:04 AM 9/10/97 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm Kenneth and new to the mailing list and maybe, just maybe, I should >write something more intelligent as my first entry, but I couldn't resist >the moose thread: I wonder if I ever have written anything intelligent here... > >Didn't Hawkwind do a song called Black Elk Speaks a decade (or something) back ? They did! Though that elk can't be a moose 'cos that elk is an Indian and there are no Indians in England, with the exception of Indians from India so it doesn't matter that Hawkwind is from Europe where a elk is a moose and moose is a moose which is a elk but lives in America where Indians not are from India. Am I right or am I right! :-) > >Och h?rdu, Daniel, ska det inte vara Homo Lupus Homini ? Nu blir jag os?ker... kanske fast homo homini lupus, homo homini deus (sp?)l?ter hemskt bekant. Ska kolla det d?r. N?gon annan g?ng. :-) > >Taketh Care, >Kenneth Magnusson in a B?rje Lundin-disguise Du ?r v?lkommen hursomhelst. B?rje ocks? f?r den delen. :-) Fast det h?r ?r just nu ett hemskt st?lle som f?rst?r min ess? om krigsjournalistik i Bangs tappning. N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? mvh -Daniel > > > >Bishop Garden Records >Box 747 >521 22 Falkoping >SWEDEN >Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 >bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > >The Moor >http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > >This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 9 22:40:10 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:40:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tall people (Needle Moose) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970909204018.0091b6cc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >theo says: > >>Well, i'm up for another geography lesson...First off, i know that >>Daniel, Christian and Jon AREN'T Dutch. Daniel is from Togo, Jon is from Bhutan and I am from Sweden. > And I can't speak for >>Scandinavia, but the tallest people I ever saw were in Holland. I >>don't think there's a person in the whole country--man or >>woman--under six feet tall. Theo, just try more dutch herb and you will see why... getting used to the different perspective on all things below can be strange at first. Why do you think Holland is so flat? Makes those silly maps look all the same anyway, and it's perfect for golfing :) Christian (moosely adjusted) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 9 20:44:12 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:44:12 -0400 Subject: Age and taste Message-ID: Daniel sez... I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very interesting if some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own experience and opinions on this. Zzzzz, huh, what didja say, sonny???? Well, I think that it is true to a large extent, but I like to keep my musical options open. While it is true that my musical tastes are pretty much the same since I was about 18, I listen to very few bands or recordings from that time, at least on a regular basis. I do, however, seek out new bands that perform in the styles of my favorite "old timers". Which is why I am mighty damn glad to see the resurgence of prog-rock and electronic music. I will also admit to liking musical styles that I would have run screaming from as a much younger man. It is mostly classical styles (I am developing a great interest in traditional Irish music, via the rock world), so don't accuse me of becoming a rap / hip-hop fan! ( I did listen to rap for about six months after it first came out, 'cuz the message was good back then. Then it became an "I'm badder than you / my tallywhacker is bigger than yours!" self-adoration fest! Bleah! Craig I believe this is true. -Daniel "Vada jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ar" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 9 21:25:57 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:25:57 PDT Subject: OFF: 4th world -- Message-ID: hello, does anyone out there have the new e-mail address to 4th world... also has anyone not received their stuff yet? bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue Sep 9 23:12:30 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:12:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: 4th world -- In-Reply-To: <19970910012557.16665.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Bob Lennon" at Sep 9, 97 06:25:57 pm Message-ID: bob (and anyone else who has ordered form 4th world)-- last known email is mfr at dial.pipex.com i have not received what i ordered yet, tho they received (and deposited!) payment in early august (!). i have not heard from Stuart (the fellow who answered my email query) since 8/15 i am getting quite fed up with em really. i had given them some benefit of the doubt because folks had received stuff, but thy haven't even had the courtesy to let me know what is going on. i have actually given them until this friday until i start to take further steps (post to newsgroups, contact Pipex.com etc) has anyone heard from em more recently, recieved what they ordered in the last couple weeks? aggrieved, --dave Obcd--Phil Ochs: Farewells and Fantasies ps to bob: i've copied the vid and will give you a ring in the next day or two > > hello, > does anyone out there have the new e-mail address to > 4th world... > also has anyone not received their stuff yet? > bl > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Sep 10 00:33:33 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:33:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:02:44 +0200 Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said >that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music >that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". Cool! Then I guess I'll be listening to Hawkwind for the rest of my life. :-) Woohoo! (And about a hundred other bands/artists, but that's beside the point...) Damon From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Sep 10 02:08:06 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:08:06 -0600 Subject: HW, BRAIN: Needle Gun Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > At 10:48 09.09.97 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >wondering... was it straight up or altered for christmas like > 'cities' was... > >I mean, I can just imagine a song called "needle pine" or "needle > tree".... > > In the lo-budget video tBS, dressed as cute elves (or > meese/mooseses/minces), could be chased by some guy running around in > a > X-mas tree outfit.... (then there's the Jerry Cornelius/Jesus Christ > connection too...) Thank you for a much needed laugh!! I'm enjoying this thread!Pam > > > hmmmm... > Christian -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] > music that > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". > I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very > interesting if > some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own > experience > and opinions on this. > > I believe this is true. > > -Daniel What an interesting idea! I am at 35 (going on 36) still listening to the same style of music as I did at the time-only a bit more on the "exotic" side-different types of instrumentation,etc.,more layered,etc.More progressive,I guess, as well as lots of obscure stuff that more than a few don't really know much about. I will say that I've always been fairly adventurous when it comes to music-I'm willing to pick something out of the cd bin that I've only heard about-and never heard-give it a spin,then decide if I like it or not. I've sure picked up some gems doing that:)I actually was raised on old country-western stuff,and broke off from that into rock in my teens. Poor mom-I discovered Rush & Led Zepplin early:) Introduced by friends into ELP , King Crimson and Black Sabbath, Floyd as well. I was totally lost to this genre at that point! And now, I own a large and varied music collection! How wonderful!! Lets Rock Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool At 03:34 PM 9/09/97 -0500, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of >imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read >the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is >about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene >all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as >none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old >standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an >opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted >Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > Yeah, I think the whole "Vinnie Moore, Racer X, Cacophony, guitar God- with -long-hair-posing -with -guitar-in hand-fingers-in-an-obscure-scale-on-the-fretboard" thing of the early 90's late 80's ruined it for everyone. We all got sick of these viruosos 'cos they all sounded the same, more or less. Bring back the TRUE heroes of Guitar, like Frank Marino, etc., and the world will again be sane. Even Yngwie J. Malmsteen has started to sound like the true heroes of old and has just done an excellent tribute/cover album to their greatness. Long Live Frank Marino. Troy >I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear >enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? > >lil ab > >OBCD - Dream Theater - Awake > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Wed Sep 10 03:45:34 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:45:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tall Dutch Message-ID: Tall Dutch Apparently this is due to good old natural selection (Darwin & all that) it seems that Tulips like many flowers give off a scent, although the scent given off by tulips is beyond the capability of the human nose to detect (kind of like a supersonic smell) it is quite strong. A chemical analysis of the scent-group reveals amongst the usual complex organic compounds traces of chemo-sterilins, basically fertility affecting organo-compounds. Exposure to these leads to a drop in sperm count amongst the males of the population. Exposure is of course heavier in shorter people as they are nearer the source of the chemo-sterilins. This in turn leads to higher fertility in tall people as opposed to that of shorter people. Due to the concentration coefficients involved, the relative fertility's are not linear either. For each 5cm shorter a person is than their taller counterpart they are 23.7 percent less fertile. Hence, in Holland people are tall. Hope this is of interest. Mike P ---------- From: Daniel Wikdahl[SMTP:mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE] Sent: 09 September 1997 21:40 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Needle Moose and tall people I wrote: >> is smaller than the American version. But everything is bigger overthere >> -the trees, the moose, the bears, the people, the cars etc -so maybe the >> US/Canadian moose is called ALCES ALCES... I dunno... ) theo says: >Well, i'm up for another geography lesson...First off, i know that >Daniel, Christian and Jon AREN'T Dutch. And I can't speak for >Scandinavia, but the tallest people I ever saw were in Holland. I >don't think there's a person in the whole country--man or >woman--under six feet tall. I don't know how many cm that is, but i >guess it's a lot. So not everything American is bigger... I didn't mean big as in tall... Sweden used to have the tallest people in the world (with the exception some obscure tribes in Africa, which seldom are count in comparisons like this one) but last year or so the Dutch people grew ;-) and became the tallest. When I visited Holland this summer quite many told me this (including Jerrys brother... I think... I was little bit dizzy at the moment) and when I came home again I didn't took a long time until I'd read 3-4 press items about it in Swedish newspapers. I think this is a quite interresting question and really would like to know why this has happened. I mean the living standard in Sweden are not as high as it used to be but at the same time it's not _that_ much below what it was before the economic crisis. It can have something to do with the large number of immigrants that have come to Sweden in the 80s and the 90s. [Only the following countries in Europe have more _refugees_ than Sweden :Bosnia, Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia (Serbia), Croatia. After Sweden comes France and then Switzerland. And you have to keep in mind that Swedens native population is not big (now approx. 7.5 millions)] [...and I hope you understand that eventhough this might sound "not political correct" maybe even as a rascists thoughts... that is not all what I intended ...it's just possible explanations and the way things works...] -Daniel "Vada jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ar" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 10 06:54:27 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:54:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:02:44 +0200 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that > "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music > that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". What goes around comes around. Psychedelic guru Dr. Timothy Leary (now an ex person with ashes orbiting Earth) stated in the 60's that the music you were listening to around the time of your first orgasm would be the type of music you listened to for the rest of your life. This was related to theories of "imprinting". Of course Dr Leary did talk bollocks much of the time so there's no need to pay special heed to this. Then again, I've always had a fondness for Chicory Tip. The latest theory sounds like a variant on the theme. > -Daniel FoFP From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Sep 10 02:30:40 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:30:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead?--Sort of Message-ID: >One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of >imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read >the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is >about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene >all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as >none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old >standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an >opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted >Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? Well, seeing that the ol' warhorses the Rolling Stones are supposedely incorporating "fance" (funk and dance music) into their trademark sound, I'd have to say the Solo just hasn't found the right vehicle/song type to re-emerge as something original.. As siad by another poster in this topic, the 80's big hair speed guitarist shindig did mar some palates irreprably. However, you can look at the fact that the G3 tour (comprised of Vai,Satriani, sometimes Eirc Johnson, and a blues guitarist whose name escapes me (not to mention that they had R.Fripp as an opening act) exists is a testamemt to the fact solo guitar passages are far from extinct.. Speaking of Trower, he has a new LP out called _Somenthing Blues_ (or is it _something blue_?) of all blues tunes--if anyone repesented The guitar rock hero in the 70's (or tried to anyhow) it was him. So I wouldn't worry too much. As for modern musicians grooving on a steaming hunk of guitar notes, they might not because technological advances in music industry might make it just plain easier for the non-viruoso to be musical...'sides, creating a solo that's just right in length for a tune isn't easy. >I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear >enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? Maybe they want to feel comfortable composing song structures first and add a solo later if need be? Like a hurricane, Jason From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 10 08:01:05 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:01:05 PDT Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: >Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >> This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. >> I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said >> that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] >> music that >> you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". >> I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very >> interesting if >> some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own >> experience >> and opinions on this. >> I believe this is true. >> -Daniel well i just turned 35 last month...i guess just in time to qualify to answer this survey :-}...before i become an old man suffering from "i wish i was young again" disease (very terminal). actually i am still listening to most of what i was listening to when i was 24 but have added any new bands that have come along that got my interest. And I also have leaned even more towards the exotic...in the world music (not to be confused with the trendy "world beat stuff" and it seems the more primitive...the more exciting...go figure... i also appreciate the more extreme bands even more like noise bands etc... i wonder what i'll be listening to when i'm an old fart? bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 10 10:15:32 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: <199709101054.LAA05918@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:54 10.09.97 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >What goes around comes around. Psychedelic guru Dr. Timothy Leary (now >an ex person with ashes orbiting Earth) stated in the 60's that the >music you were listening to around the time of your first orgasm would >be the type of music you listened to for the rest of your life. So in theory all the people here are listening to what they listened to when they were 12-13 and "discovering" strange things about themselves??? :) (seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking about actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) > This was >related to theories of "imprinting". Well, this relates to how tribal/magickal/military/fraternety intiation "rites" work the same way, often leaving a "reminder" of the imprinting of knowledge/acceptance/etc. in the shape of scars/piercing/tattoos and such. Makes sense, it's all associative thinking/imprinting, of course taste in music is much more trivial, and maybe the orgasm idea is a bit of a stretch. We associate things with parts of our life that were significant. Anyone here have stuff they really like but never play because you hate thinking about stuff you have associated it with?? (those cringingly sentimental moments!) I think there is truth to the "mid-20's theory" because it's a point in life where you (should:) have gotten beyond a "confused" state of exploration to a more "focused" one. (dunno if that sounded right) One becomes more analytical/interested beyond surface appeal I suppose. So it's natural that that is a point when you figure out what you REALLY like. (and that could be lots of stuff you listened to as a teen too, but you categorize more "good", "bad" and "cool" as opposed to "dunno why I like" and "dunno why I don't like"). Of course I keep on exploring new stuff, but with a well honed gut feeling and a smattering of cynicism.... I discovered Hawkwind when I was 16-17, a sort of strange sidestep from being into 60s/70s rock for a few years after my formative years of liking stuff without knowing *why* (being everything from Police to Queen to the Cult to Duran Duran around when I was 12-15). I guess after my Hawkwind "discovery" my musical tastes became more focused, even though I for a couple of years bought into some cash-in "alternative" stuff... when I was 21 or so I think my tastes "crystallized" to a degree, and the boundaries of tastes are still expanding but in a more involved way than when I was younger. >The latest theory sounds like a variant on the theme. The condition of muzak. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 10 10:19:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:19:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead?--Sort of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ozric Tentacles combine the dance/guitar noodling aspects the best way I have heard :) Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 10 08:26:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:26:11 EDT Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: > From: Bob Lennon > >Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > >> This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > >> I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > >> that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] > >> music that > >> you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". > actually i am still listening to most of what i was listening to when i > was 24 but have added any new bands that have come along that got my > interest. And I also have leaned even more towards the exotic...in the > world music (not to be confused with the trendy "world beat stuff" and > it seems the more primitive...the more exciting...go figure... > i also appreciate the more extreme bands even more like noise bands > etc... > i wonder what i'll be listening to when i'm an old fart? > bl > Well, let's see...Some of my favorite gtr players are guys i first heard after i was 24: Steve Stevens, Gary Moore, SRV,EVH [think i was exactly 24 when the first record came out but i'll count it anyway], Glenn Tipton... But I think the basic STYLE of music i generally pefer was frimly established by this time. Not to say that new records don't come along and blow me away to this day... I've yet to hear my first HW. I'm gonna jump on the new record when it comes out, so maybe i'll be expanding my horizons a bit right there... BTW, AB, how 'bout Gary Hoey as a young turk gtr slinger? True, he plays more of an older style, and I can see how he'd be lumped in [incorrectly, IMHO] with dudes like Vatriani, but he has a cool sense of humor and doesn't seem to have the pedantic self-absorption of some of the other guitar gods... Did someone mention the G3 tour? The third guy after Eric J left was Kenny Wayne Shepard, who i think is finally over 20 by now, though he really is an old-style player who emulates SRV big-time [NOT a put down on Kenny--he's a really cool guy. Originality will come with age. If it doesn't, people will get sick of him] And, aren't we overlooking the obvious example right under our noses?: tBS! Al certainly isn't going over the same musical ground he trod in his youth with BOC. He's totally reinvented himself and his sound. Or maybe BOC wasn't exactly the vision he had. What's the story Al? Is BOC or tBS more like the sound you've always envisioned for yourself? And, Al, what about a live tBS disc someday? that's too much for now... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 10 08:47:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:47:53 -0700 Subject: Music and Age Message-ID: I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] > music that > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". Strange observation. When I was 24 I wasn't listening to anybody's music. My base was 17-18 and a full time rocker. I gravitated to Jazz, Rock/Jazz fusion big time funk and disco. Only started back with Rock and Roll the way I began, going to a BOC concert. Today I divy my time 50/50, old and new. Depending on the mood I may break out my BOC, Triumph, Frank Marino, Rainbow, Grand Funk and the like. Tomorrow I could be knee deep into Galactic Cowboys, King's X, Savatage, Dream Theater or Shadow Gallery. At this point I'm pretty adverse to Alternative unless its Stone Temple Pilots or Alice in Chains. Seems like it would get a bit boring listening to stuff from one era only. Adam>We must never foget our SpaceFunk brothers for it is all most definitely on the one. Here here Adam. George Clinto is the true father of Rock and Roll. Any doubters need only listen to the albums you cite. Maggot Brains has been covered by many a rock band. The P-Funk lives on. L8er lil' ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." - The Tick From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 10 08:52:32 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:52:32 -0500 Subject: tBS - Class Personafied. Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > >One of Rudy Rudich's final mortal acts (he's still in the mix from the >ether) was to send me a tape of a Hawkwind song that we just HAD to play. >Yesterday, we recorded 'Needle Gun' for this year's Christmas recording. Al, Deb and other members of tBS. You guys are truly a class act; this is a stirring tribute to a really great guy. Hats off to you. One question, who's gonna do the vocals? Hope its Deb. lil' ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." - The Tick From micci at SCI.FI Wed Sep 10 09:00:27 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:00:27 +0300 Subject: OFF: 4th world -- Message-ID: Hi! Nothing new. I still waiting and mailing for them >hello, >does anyone out there have the new e-mail address to >4th world... >also has anyone not received their stuff yet? >bl > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// Miikka Wagner \/\/ Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 09:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:02:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's mail of Wed, 10 Sep 97 00:12 +0100 Message-ID: On 10 Sep 00:12, J Strobridge wrote: > Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music that > > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". Then you'd better make sure that you're listening to a wide range of music when you're 24, or you'll get bored! I don't think that's true for me. My tastes have continued to change -- mainly adding new stuff, but occasionally junking older music along the way. I'm now 36. In the last ten years I've come to like house and dance music, and more folk music than I used to. In classical music, I used to like orchestral works and minimalism; now I've come to like chamber music as well, and some more abstract stuff too. And some genres didn't even exist, so I couldn't have liked them! (E.g. drum and bass). So maybe I'll always like the music I liked when I was 24, but learn to like other sorts of music as well? There's some truth in this, but it's not a hard-and-fast rule. Of the music I listened to in the seventies, only a few albums have stood the test of time. Much of what sounded new and/or sophisticated then sounds really dated and clumsy now. Gong, Gryphon, Gentle Giant, King Crimson and the Stranglers have all survived in my collection, but much else has been chucked. With one obvious exception... Also, I'm *much* less likely to listen to standard rock music these days, because so much of it is just repeating what has gone before, rather than providing something new to listen to. I'm not completely inconsistent -- I'm still not keen on opera, country, rap, fusion, or most of the contents of the charts! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 09:04:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:04:00 +0100 Subject: Music and Age In-Reply-To: BREVARD, Adrian R.'s mail of Wed, 10 Sep 97 05:47 -0700 Message-ID: On 10 Sep 13:47, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Here here Adam. George Clinto is the true father of Rock and Roll. Any > doubters need only listen to the albums you cite. Maggot Brains has > been covered by many a rock band. The P-Funk lives on. Have you heard Praxis? One of Bill Laswell's projects. A wonderful combination of funk and metal guitar. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 10 09:27:32 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:27:32 -0700 Subject: Off: Is Rock Guitar Dead? Message-ID: Got a real intersting response from a lurker who also happens to play lead guitar. Some of his thoughts I'll share here. >It seems that the punk attitude has once again become popular--little or no >solos. They are thought to be self-indulgent, I think, and not sincere. I >don't know why. I think solos (leads) can be just as moving for the >listener as for the musician. Never understood that. >C Thats the thing that bothers me. The new music seems to frown on the solo, seeing them as unnecesarry or self indulgent. I tend to look at a great solo as an ingredient that helps define a song. What would Reaper be like without Buck's solo? A good song maybe, but it certainly would not have the same feeling. DW> "So they say. But this is hardly a *new* phenomena -this has been the way of playing rockmusic since Nirvana's big break-through in -91. I think it's good that the bands dare to question what is a essential a part of the music and what that is not. Well the beginning of the article pointed the arrow directly between Cobain's eyes. He started this no real solo's movement and of course a lot of other artist picked up on it. Seems like we can't blame Steve Swann for this one. 8>) >Solos happened to be excluded. (...and some of you will say the same thing happened to the melodies... but I will not.) I don't think this has anything to do with if the musicians were better in the past, it's just an interresting development and attitude towards music. Agreed that its not the musicians. The aforementioned Cobain was a very good axeman. Ty Tabor of King's X has wonderful skills yet his solos, when he does, fit neatly into KX's musical tapestry. Could Ty just go out there and shred? Sure, but he tends to do it to add to the song, not to be the song. Yeah the quality of the muscians hasn't really changed just the emphasis. The Galactic Cowboys new album is a great example. This group comes across like they were born with metal in their boots, yet most of the songs, even the heavier ones are pretty much devoid of guitar solo's. On the song Ribbon (sort of a power ballad) it screams for a nice solo, yet there is none. Lack of a solo stops it from being a truly awesome tune as opposed to just a great one. >And honestly, do any of you miss the exposure of guitarrists like Yngwie Malmsteen..? I for one do not as I never cared for this guy's music anyway. Overall I do miss the brilliance displayed by guys like Marino, Trower, Rik Emmit and others. Its not that the younger axemen do not have the skill its just no longer the emphasis. However, the guitar will always be an essential element of rock music so why not take advantage of all the things it has to offer. Guys like Rik and Frank always augumented a song. Yngwie seemed to create a solo and throw melodies around it to complete a song. Theo talked about this Yngwie trend a while back. Maybe this is the recording business today. Record companies are looking for instant money makers and continue to try and hit a moving target, peoples taste. Perhaps rock music has become too corporate, find the market and penetrate it as opposed to allowing the music to be what it is, an art form. Maybe the 80's are to blame for this. I missed most of the big bands from the 80's. Not talking Aerosmith, Kiss, Sabbath etc, that started in the 70's and continued to move on. More like your Warrants, Poisons, Anthrax's Y&T's the (gulp) hairbands. When I listen to some of this stuff (Y&T and exception, though they are guilty of it too I just love 'em so much) you can predict when the solo will commence and how it would sound. Maybe, just maybe the 80's are the real culprit; younger muscians who are at center stage today perhaps got there fill of uninspiring predictable guitar solo's. Just a thought. I hope the monster solo does return to rock music at some point. I don't want to imply that it be mandatory for every song to have a gratuitous solo thrown in, but at least allow guitar players to express themselves as something more than rythym men. Quick somebody clone Buck a couple dozen times. C'ya lil' ab ****Q: What was the first obscenity ever heard on T.V.? A: "Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver last night?"**** OBCD - On Your Feet or On Your Knees <---real guitar solos for the taking. From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Sep 10 09:33:50 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:33:50 +1000 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: On 10 Sep 97 at 2:04, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Hi, > > I'm Kenneth and new to the mailing list Hej Kenneth .... och velk?m to din BOC-L familj! Gud v?lsigne dig, S?niq?? (No comments on my weak excuse for svenska ok?) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 10 09:51:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:51:32 EDT Subject: Off: Is Rock Guitar Dead? Message-ID: From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Got a real intersting response from a lurker who also happens to play > lead guitar. Some of his thoughts I'll share here. > > >It seems that the punk attitude has once again become popular--little or no > >solos. They are thought to be self-indulgent, I think, and not sincere. I > >don't know why. I think solos (leads) can be just as moving for the > >listener as for the musician. Never understood that. > >C > > Thats the thing that bothers me. The new music seems to frown on the > solo, seeing them as unnecesarry or self indulgent. I tend to look at a > great solo as an ingredient that helps define a song. What would Reaper > be like without Buck's solo? A good song maybe, but it certainly would > not have the same feeling. > > DW> "So they say. But this is hardly a *new* phenomena -this has been > the way of playing rockmusic since Nirvana's big break-through in -91. I > think it's good that the bands dare to question what is a essential a > part of the music and what that is not. > Goes back further than that. Punk movement in the 70s eschewed soloing. But not all alternative music is solo-less. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains all feature solos, and i like them a lot. I see the non-soloing thing as a rebellion against hair band excess. But also it reflects the fact that a lot of alternative guys picked up the instrument more as a songwriting tool than a platform for soloing. And it's cool that these guys formed bands before they were highly proficient [technically, anyway] to play a lot of lead, so they just wrote songs that didn't have lead playing. And the formula worked, so why change anything? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Sep 10 10:47:08 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:47:08 +0200 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: Hi, >I wonder if I ever have written anything intelligent here... Oh,I forgot, this is a Hawkwind mailing list, few things will be intelligent...(oops) ;^> >>Didn't Hawkwind do a song called Black Elk Speaks a decade (or something) >back ? > >They did! Though that elk can't be a moose 'cos that elk is an Indian and >there are no Indians in England, with the exception of Indians from India so >it doesn't matter that Hawkwind is from Europe where a elk is a moose and moose >is a moose which is a elk but lives in America where Indians not are from >India. >Am I right or am I right! :-) Strange, according to my dictionary (Modern Engelsk Svensk Ordbok - Prisma) "moose" is american english, so it should be Black Moose Speaks, shouldn't it ? And, yes, I found the song on Space Bandits (with the ugliest Hawkwind cover ever!!), a nice record, a bit short, though. >>Och h?rdu, Daniel, ska det inte vara Homo Lupus Homini ? > >Nu blir jag os?ker... kanske fast homo homini lupus, homo homini deus >(sp?)l?ter >hemskt bekant. Ska kolla det d?r. N?gon annan g?ng. :-) Ja, vi t?nkte skriva det p? v?r senaste skiva, jag kommer inte ih?g om vi gjorde det, n?ja det blir mer skivor. >N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? Spelar/de han n?got i Egg ? K?nner igen namnet iallafall, men jag ?r d?lig p? att sammankoppla namn och ansikten. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 10 11:08:53 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:08:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: >Strange, according to my dictionary (Modern Engelsk Svensk Ordbok - Prisma) >"moose" is american english, so it should be Black Moose Speaks, shouldn't >it ? No. What we would call elk is similar to what you would call moose, but still his name was Black Elk, since he was referring to stuff around here.. >And, yes, I found the song on Space Bandits (with the ugliest Hawkwind >cover ever!!), a nice record, a bit short, though. Oh? I kinda liked it... I think there are far worse Hawkwind Covers. "Gimme Shelter" for starters. (if I had to vote, tho... Church) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Sep 10 11:35:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:35:48 +0200 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: Kenneth wrote: > >Strange, according to my dictionary (Modern Engelsk Svensk Ordbok - Prisma) >"moose" is american english, so it should be Black Moose Speaks, shouldn't >it ? No, the (American) elk is a completely different animal than the European elk. Moose and (European) elk (?lgar allts?!) are both members of the species Alces. American Elk is a member of the species Cervus (more ordinary deer like). >And, yes, I found the song on Space Bandits (with the ugliest Hawkwind >cover ever!!), a nice record, a bit short, though. I don't think Space Bandits has many fans on this list... Though I like (parts) of it quite a lot... And yes, the cover is IMHO ugly but also cool that you can see the crashed spaceship of HotMG in the background. I like that kind of references, but right now I can't think of any other example... > >>>Och h?rdu, Daniel, ska det inte vara Homo Lupus Homini ? >> >>Nu blir jag os?ker... kanske fast homo homini lupus, homo homini deus >>(sp?)l?ter >>hemskt bekant. Ska kolla det d?r. N?gon annan g?ng. :-) > >Ja, vi t?nkte skriva det p? v?r senaste skiva, jag kommer inte ih?g om vi >gjorde det, n?ja det blir mer skivor. Ha ha, det ?r n?stan s? man hoppas att jag har r?tt och du har fel ? att ni verkligen skrev det p? plattan... :-) [Jag ?r av naturen en elak illasinnad m?nniska ;-) ] > >>N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? > >Spelar/de han n?got i Egg ? Nej. Stort HW fan bara. Han var ocks? inblandad i anordnandet av Hawk konventet som skulle ha g?tt av stapeln i Sverige i somras men som aldrig blev av. Skulle ni inte spelat d?r? (Jag kanske bara kommer ih?g fel). F?r bandet ?r the Moor, inte sant. J?vligt snygg hemsida f?rresten! Jag har kikat p? den n?gra g?nger tidigare. mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 10 11:33:06 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:33:06 -0700 Subject: Bad Channels Message-ID: Forgot this tidbit. BC was advertised to be broadcast on the SCI-FI channel this week as part of their "Death By Television" special. My local programming guide does not list it. I know it did not come on Monday and yesterday they televised a hevily edited version of Videodrome. Guess you have to tune in each night at 9:00 pm (Eastern) to see what they are going to show. As for Videodrome, I love this schlock but man they butchered it almost as much as the over the air showing of Brazil. gone lil' ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." The Tick Can you name the episode? From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Sep 10 10:25:55 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:25:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Sep 9, 97 03:34:42 pm Message-ID: "lil ab" says-- > One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of > imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Whoever wrote the article must not be aware of the efforts of Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, The California Guitar Trio, Fred Frith, David Torn, Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck, Vernon Reid, etc. If he or she is referring to such a lack in Top 40, I'm in full agreement. Screaming guitar has been replaced by screechy "vocals". > Didn't read > the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is > about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene > all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? I think Robin Trower's _20th Century Blues_ (a great album btw) is his most recent album (1994), but I don't think we've seen the last of him. As for Ted Nugent, I suspect we won't hear anything interesting from him. > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? Monster solos aren't popular anymore (except for bits of explosive billion notes per second stuff from the likes of Satriani, Vai, and Van Halen). A bastardized style based on '50s and '60s folk music is what's in these days. :-P But "Imaginative Guitar" is not dead! Like jazz, it just smells funny! :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Sep 10 10:35:08 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:35:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970909220244.00912808@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Sep 10, 97 00:02:44 am Message-ID: Daniel says-- > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said > that "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music = > that > you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". > I don't want to have an age-thread again but it would be very interesting= > if > some of you that are older than 35 could tell us about your own experienc= > e > and opinions on this. > > I believe this is true. I'm only 33, but I think that's a load of crap. There are many things I listen to now that I would have been indifferent to, or even hated, at age 25. Sure, I still listen to music I liked then, but I was not big on jazz or classical music at 25. I am now. My dad was the same way. He liked big band, swing, and folk music when he was 25, but was exclusively interested in classical music later in life. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Sep 10 12:02:42 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:02:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that > "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music > that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". I turn 24 in November...I guess I better stock up on some good tunes! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Sep 10 12:14:25 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:14:25 -0400 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: These electrons were spewed across my screen... >And, yes, I found the song on Space Bandits (with the ugliest Hawkwind >cover ever!!), a nice record, a bit short, though. Oh? I kinda liked it... I think there are far worse Hawkwind Covers. Agreed! Like "Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gargarin"; ugly gray and red cover (look at it from across the room, it is an axe-head falling in front of a moon) with ugly (quality) music on the inside. "Space Bandits" just looked kinda cheap and generic sci-fi, but it's not bad... And how about "California Brainstorm"; the Golden Gate Bridge pokin' out of a fogbank... And most of the quasi-official recordings have less-than-stellar cover art... and that "bird" on the front of "Sonic Attack" is just plain goofy-lookin!! Not that I can do any better, mind you, just playin' art critic... How about best covers? Mine would have to be ASAM, QS&C (I dig the control room gear), HotMG and WotEoT. Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com "Gimme Shelter" for starters. (if I had to vote, tho... Church) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--O-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 08:54:03 1997 From: mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK (Mark Bain) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:54:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and Taste Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that > "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music > that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". At 37 I'm am :- still enthralled by Hawkwind, as I have been since I was 17; still married to and loving a woman I met when I was 21; still riding a m/cycle made when I was 26; Maybe this helps to prove your theory, or maybe it just helps prove that I'm a boring old b*st*rd. Mark Bain Working in Newbury,Heart in the Lake District UK From mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 09:38:10 1997 From: mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK (Mark Bain) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:38:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and Taste Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > This came to my mind when I read the "guitar-hero" mails. > I once read an article that quoted a scientific report that said that > "the music you listen to when you're 24 is the same [kind of] music > that you'll be listening to in the rest of your life". At 37 I am :- still enthralled by Hawkwind, as I have been since I was 17; still married to and loving a woman I met when I was 21; still riding a m/cycle made when I was 26; Maybe this helps to prove your theory, or maybe it just helps prove that I'm a boring old b*st*rd. Mark Bain Working in Newbury,Heart in the Lake District UK From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 05:48:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:48:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tall people (Needle Moose) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970910024010.006e0850@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19970910024010.006e0850 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes > >Daniel is from Togo, Jon is from Bhutan and I am from Sweden. Correction. I am ON BUTANE! >Christian (moosely adjusted) -- Jon Browne From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Sep 10 12:50:43 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:50:43 -0700 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: Hmmm... favorite covers would have to be HotMG as #1, with CYM and SR right up there. The 'hawk' side of ASAM gets an honorable mention, and CotBS is way cool as well. The lame list includes the first album, CB of course, Levitation (front), Business Trip & Alien... (yah, go ahead and call me a heretic!) scorch From stayer at PI.NET Wed Sep 10 10:33:55 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:33:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? > OBCD - Dream Theater - Awake To start with your obCD, Petrucci might be one of them (new heroes?), but I think his playing lacks emotion. Too technical. I saw them three times in a row and all solos sounded the same. The ones you named (Buck, Ted, Frank and Robin) are quite different from that. Dutch band Bagheera (nice mix of prog and heavy rock like LedZep maybe) have a great guitarist and he knows how to touch the strings with emotion. Listen to US band Mastermind - very intense and complex prog (Mahavishnu ELP) and might sound too technical at first, but I've seen them live and it was wonderful. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Sep 10 10:28:54 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:28:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Well, i'm up for another geography lesson...First off, i know that > Daniel, Christian and Jon AREN'T Dutch. And I can't speak for > Scandinavia, but the tallest people I ever saw were in Holland. I > don't think there's a person in the whole country--man or > woman--under six feet tall. I don't know how many cm that is, but i > guess it's a lot. So not everything American is bigger... Latest thing I read about it is that people in Sweden and Holland are the tallest in the world. > ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... > --Vincent Vega And that's something that applies to Holland as well... Jerry From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Sep 10 13:05:58 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:05:58 -0400 Subject: HW: My Space Daze adventure Message-ID: Well finally a little time to review the great magical event that was the first Space Daze festival. As a leadin let me say, if you didn't go and you could have - you made a very bad decision. If this thing does come off next year, for God sake don't hesitate for a second, just GO! I don't think theres anywhere on the planet (please note all you Europeans) that this wasn't worth making the trip from to be there. I got to see all kind of great bands I never would otherwise have seen live, got to meet old friends, make new ones, have some of the strangest Hawkwind encounters imaginable and generally had a great Adventure. In overview, the sound system was excellent, extremely clear and well mixed all weekend. The lights, only a factor for the evening of course, were tremendous, great wheeling spinning shifting images, really helping to put the "Space" in the Space Rock. The site is a great find, with the essentials (food & beer) available in a non-intrusive and not-ridiculoulsy priced way. No trouble with the camping (somthing I hadn't tried my hand at in twelve odd years). And the music .... Well onto the bands, didn't arrive until 3ish on the Saturday so missed Gaia Avatara and Red Giant, sorry folks ! Someone said Gaia Avatara were a little more ethnic with tablas and flute I think. So arrived partway through Nucleon, I liked these guys, someone said they were more rock than Space Rock, but I was impressed by the very wide range of sounds and effects the guitarist was getting, so I'd give them the vote there. A three piece with drums, guitar and one guy on hand held and rack synths. Wouldn't have minded picking up a tape but didn't run into them the rest of the weekend, anyone got anymore info ? ST37, who I'd never heard of before were up next. From Austin Texas, these guys just blew me away, totally the find of the weekend for me. Ripping into their set, the vision I had was of five tightly spinning whirlwinds each concentrating intently on their own sound, yet in combination producing an intense maelstrom which ebbed and flowed with great force. The use of pretaped spoken vocals isn't normally one of my favourite tricks but worked well here. I'm confused now whether they actually played the Neu cover, or whether that was the track that "We haven't got time to play this, but if you want to find it you'll have to go to Italy to buy the record".... I suppose Neu with an extra guitarist and more distortion might be one attempt to describe these guys. Highly recommended if you like the punkier, more dissonant end of Space Rock. Talked to their new guitarist Mark after the show, and bought College Radio their last CD, I think the last two tracks on the CD are the first two they played. Quickly off for food (the food place still had burgers then, it wasn't until later that they were reduced to veggies only and they were better than I expected), then Architectural Metaphor. Well, again very impressed. Three piece, synths, our friend Greg Kovacincy (sp?) wonderfully psychedelic green suit that Syd Barret would have been proud of, on guitar, and a fabulously gorgeous lady on the drums. This was excellent stuff, Someone else mentioned Ash Ra Tempel as a comparator, I was thinking early (Ummaguma) Floyd, and given the common ground between those two I'd have to say we were on hte same wavelength. Whatever the influences though, this is very well played and spellbinding stuff. I have never seen an even semi-competent female drummer before, but now I guess its back to attitude readjustment school for me. Holy Cow ! both the powerful insistent rhythmic stuff, and also tastefully chosen percussion effects on the spacier passages were enough of a lesson to leave me smitten. ("Heck she even packs her own drums away!" I believe I was overheard to say). F/I were on prior to Nik, great sound. As with some of the other acts I heard part of the show from out of sight on the grounds, but the sound carried beatifully and clearly. Twas dark enough for the lights now, and I remember great pulsing geometric patterns from Liquid Louise helping to establish a great vibe backing up some tight and powerful music. These guys have a sense of humour judging from the red jump suit the bass player had on. Definitely a band to check out. Next up was Nik, Nik had appeared on the grounds earlier in the afternoon, which was when it became apparent that he had a banged up leg (Crutches are a bit of a dead giveaway that way), so I think we were all worried it might be a bit of a subdued show. Hah ! Think again ! Nik had an astonishing suit on, some kind of reptilian scaled, horny body suit that he probably nicked off the set of a movie. I want one, but I'm not sure I'd have the guts to wear it ! Started off with 'Watching The Grass Grow' others have listed more tracks. I think the funniest momnent was on the intro to Ejection. We got the usual taped intro (W-W W- for Water..) with crowd accompaniment but when the guitarist went for the opening riff, either he blew his amp or it justsounded way too quiet I don't know. Well while they are sorting that out Nik played some almost folk sounding sax solo getting a curious look from Tommy Grenas (a kind of "Oh no he's off again" look). So they fix the problem, and Nik says "Right then, where were we ?" Back comes the cry "R for Rheumanin.." so thats what we got again. I had no idea this was Farflung not Pressurhed backing Nik up (not until Capn Cloud filled me in later on) but there were some unfamilar songs and jams and I'm told some of this was FarFlung material. Sounded good. Nik and the boys came out for an encore, but with the time right on 12 didn't do more, cos as Tommy said "We don't want to screw it up for tomorrow night". A strange premonition really.... Well twixt days a few collected comments. Never realised being English (though Toronto resident) would come with prestige value ! Got asked several times if I was with the band, and once, by a naive seventeent year old if I was *in* the band. That was tempting..... Got to meet a bunch of list members, Capn Cloud (won't be able to read those posts without adding the appropriate twang now !), Greg fromArch Met, Dan (you never know sometimes the guy in the next tent is someone you know !), Eric S and his bro (more Canadians eh!), Marc from Born To go. Others have mentioned all kinds of folks that I didn't see. (Hey next time wear your Net T's people , that or we should arrange a gathering spot). Onto Sunday, Bionaut was a two synth lineup (one of the synth players being ?? from Arch Met.) As mentioned elsewhere this was well timed and well chosen morning wakeup music, drifting across the fields in gently shifting patterns. Ahhhhhhhh......... I'm no expert on synth stuff, but I suppose Cluster was one band that came to mind. A quick shower and I'm a new man !! Next up was Nik Riff, and it was a little strange after so much instrumental music to hear someone singing real, almost conventional songs! Can't say this did too much for me so it was off into town to buy a paper and see if what this Scottish coin crafter had told me about Lady Di being killed was really true. Actually the headline I bought said "Lady Di seriously injured in car crash.." Guess they jumped the gun a little on that one. Did I mention that the town of Sherman looks like you'd be better off hitching your horse at the rail than parking, and that there were Amish folks in the area (beware of horse buggy signs), Just more strange ambience for a strange adventure. Melting Euphoria drew the short straw weatherwhise, we're getting into I'm thinking "This is better than the album I have, heavier and more guitar", then drip, drip, drip "Oh it'll pass over in a second" says my optimistic friend......Splooosh ! giant downpour for ten minutes. Never seen a field clear so quickly, took shelter under one of the awnings of the people who'd camped on the lip of the arena bowl. Typical of the weekend thse folks who I'd just jumped in on, offered me some of their ahem, hospitality. "Do you think they'll come back on and finish their set ?" somone asks, "Well they did come especially from San Francisco for this one gig........" comes the reply. And after some frantic wiping down, off we were again with a very fine instrumental White Rabbit to kick things right back on track. Good set, but with the rain shortening and the break in mood, I'd really like to have heard more to get a good fix on whether these guys have the right stuff. Well by this time the crowd is swelling a bit, noticed a couple of people in most excellent alien garb. The Hawkwind buzz was now going strong. A trip back to the tent and a visit to the porta-potty. Now how often does it happen that you're taking care of business, and when you come out theres a certain Mr Brock with a video camera, trying to persuade his drummer to pose with the porta potty. Yes folks this was one strange weekend...... Back to the stage and Born To Go. Led by a lovable bloke who might just be the English Gene Simmons... Came up with the most envious quote of the day "I saw Hawkwind at Brixton in 1972 and I've been in a daze ever since....." Lucky Bastard ! Music was a little more straight ahead rock, but still with plenty of "whooooooosh" on top, if you know what I mean. Also produced the days cutest moment when the singers daughter (tennish ?) got up with to sing a song about Rober Calvert with her Dad. Missed the second half of the set (sorry Marc!) I was wondering about a bit during Quarkspace, and I remember ethereal floating sounds but nothing I could really latch onto. Alien Planetscapes were great, definitely another great find (and as Doug their one man PR department and synth player informed that they've been playing New York for ten years I can't help but feel a little bit embarassed to have only just got into them, still thats what the weekend was all about really). It seems easy to say think Gong, because they have an out front sax-man (well OK so does that Turner fellows band, but thats a different sound again), but if you think the Gong instrumentals without the funny/wacky bits, and not quite so laid back, then you've got some idea of the tight, angular, complex music these guys were playing. Not for everyone as it touches on the J word, but if like me you think Didier Malherbe walks on Camembert, then check these guys out for sure. Well the planetscapes finished leaving plenty of time for a hoard of people to descend on the stage and start fiddling with everything mechanical in sight. Just watching the lights getting tested was quite a trip. Back to the car to grab the last of the beer, and then a lot of walking around in circles trying to contain the excitement. And then its showtime..... I often have a hard time describing a really great gig, as if you're right into it, you're not always making the most precise mental notes (beyond "better not jump on that persons foot again") if you know what I mean. So Hawkwind came on played absolutely brilliantly, levelled the place and that was it. What do you mean you want details ??? Oh, alright then. Well music wise, it was a bit surprising to see Capn Rizz come out, specially as I'd forgotten the mention of his appearance at the mini-tour shows. Came out at the start and then on the second encore for a real jump-up number. I liked it, but I must admit I'm not sure that Reggae/Dub has as strong a connection with the Space Rock crowd in the States as in England, certainly this was the only Reggae tinged music heard all weekend. The lights were just mindblowing, the best I've seen on all the US tours (the '89 tour coming the closest). The general approach seemed to be that of maximum firepower - lets grab everything we can and let it off all at once - for the whole show (note I think this is a *good* thing). Not much good at this techno stuff, but there were what six or so of those multi-colored flower lights (one seeming to come from between the red horns on Rons head - warning this could be a sign that he Is not really of this earth) a lot of strobes on the crowd, even more strobes on the back plane and enough slides and swirly patterns projected on the back to make a very entertaining movie regardless of any music. Now you combine this with my new friend Stu on the firebreathing/flamethrowing stuff. Stu was setup maybe eight feet front of the centre-stage, right beside where I ended up. He was shooting fireballs straight up with intense effect (really intense when they're maybe eight feet above your right eyeball). Right well I needed the sidetrack there to explain the next bit, I remember the Golden Void/Black Corridor sequence was played with great effect. Imagine it: "Down a corridor of flame , down a corridor of flame " I Died and went to heaven right there. What else, new songs were played as reported elsewhere, nice vocal from Dave on Love In Space. Then bleeding 'istory as Nik comes on (seated) to join in, they really cooked together both on the jams and when they let Nik sing Ejection. Boys do not let it be another gazinteen years before you play together again, it sounds too sweet. As for the new man, Jerry, well yes again I'd agree with others, this is a harder edged HW sound now, and it sounds as great as ever. I think what I'll remember is the way that the new songs were almost charged into life by Jerry and Ron. The shifting synth patterns between tunes were replaced by a much more direct attack, which gave a constant series of jolts to the energy level (kinda like the constant jolts of pain the people whose feet I jumped on were probably getting....). A final memory is that of Dave in perfect blackened silhouette in rock guitar hero pose against an intensely bright strobelit backdrop, God I hope someone got that on film, it would make an amazing poster. Well the ending got a little strange/political whatever. The final encore was new numbers with Capn Rizz, and I could see Nik hunkering down stage right I think looking to Dave for the nod either to join in, or to come on for one more number. Neither of which happened. I think that maybe the new boys were given a chance to grab the final limelight, or maybe there just wasn't an opening for a sax bit on those songs. After a lot (and I do mean a lot - I guess we knew there was some time left before the midnight cutoff) of screaming for more, I took a peek around the recording truck (yep reports are right there) and tried to figure out what the milling mass backstage was upto. Well I saw Nik sitting off to one side, and I guess Dave and the boys in the middle of a mass of people. Eventually Nik grabbed his sax and headed stagewards, where I followed of course. Nik takes centre stage (on crutches) and announces that he's been told theres twenty minutes left and he's going to use 'em. Thus we got surely one of the most bizzare endingd ever to a Hawkwind gig ever, a 35 minute solo saxophone set !! I was so close as to be actually looking down the snout of Niks sax. Good job as it was only for portions he was actually amplified (I'm told the PA was turned off at 12 - can't say I noticed). We got some Hawkwind (Masters, a sing along on "I've Gotta Washing Machine", In The Mood, some really, really cool jazz and in a bizzare example of audience participation the folks to my right were singing some kind of round - something about blue mountains or something, and Nik was playing off of it, trouble is it left them in a situation where it seemed noone could stop, for fear of leaving the other stranded !. I think my favourite moment of the performance was when Nik took a pause and looked up at someone with a video camera who'd scaled the speakers stage left. "Play Masters Of The Universe Nik !" he requests..... Squonk, squonk-squonk-squonk, sq-squonk, squonk-squonk-squonk comes back the response. Now thats what I call listeniing to your audience ! There were portions where Dave and the boys were stripping their gear down in the back while Nik was playing. A couple of joking attempts were made to drag Nik off the stage at different points. Finally we were all satiated, and Nik left to wild applause. I'm proud to say I shook his hand as he departed, the ultimate trooper !! I must say I was very pleasantly surprised by Niks playing in general, and particularly his Jazz. He was really playing very sweetly. Think that was enough strangeness for the evening ??? Well most headed off to the drum circle I'd say, I think that was Capn Rizz playing one of the many sets of congas. Much dancing around the fire and blistered knuckles. Well after heading back to the tent to check I really had drunk all the beer, and miraculously finding one, I was back to the drums, when I thought what the heck one last time around the site see if anythings still happenin (its about 2am by now). Its really misty by this point, but sauntering through the bar I'm a little suprised (OK so my jaw hits the ground) to find the band (all but Ron) in there with maybe five or six others. Surreptitiously grabbing a bar stool, I listen to Dave (in a very congenial mood) telling stories about Old Kent Road, and then getting into a heavy technical synth discussion with the keyboardist from Arch Met. After a lot of "Well, the trouble with the A-234-b is that if you use the 25th preset for more that 5mSecs then you have to reset half the time, unless you use a psycho- flanger-wobbler gizmo" (OK so I didn't really understand what they were saying, but thats what it sounded like). I eventually get up the nerve for a joke "You guys sound like you're talking about yer favourite video game" says I (I expect the cheques to be in the mail from all you list members who've wanted the chance to tell Dave this :-) )! getting a good laugh all around, then I get a playful lecture from Dave on how if he wants to sound like a violin then he needs the gizmos to sound like a violin, but of course a synth playing a violin FX sounds different than how a violin sounds anyhows 'cos of the way you're playing it so. basically you've invented a whole new instrument.... Then I realised that I was sitting in a bar at 2:30am and Dave Brock was lecturing me and my brain exploded........ Cheers ! Steve Lindsey From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 10 13:07:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:07:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: From: Guido Vacano > "lil ab" says-- > > > One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of > > imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. > > Whoever wrote the article must not be aware of the efforts of Robert > Fripp, Adrian Belew, The California Guitar Trio, Fred Frith, David Torn, > Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck, Vernon Reid, etc. If he or she is referring to > such a lack in Top 40, I'm in full agreement. Screaming guitar has been > replaced by screechy "vocals". > Yeah, but these are older guys. Wasn't the focus of the article on new guitar heroes? > > Didn't read > > the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is > > about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene > > all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > > I think Robin Trower's _20th Century Blues_ (a great album btw) is his > most recent album (1994), but I don't think we've seen the last of him. As > for Ted Nugent, I suspect we won't hear anything interesting from him. > No! Robin's latest is Someday Blues, just released. Fine record, in the vein of Gary Moore's blues records. Agreed on Terrible Ted, though he's okay live. What an asshole: he spouts off about freedom and censorship, then turns around and backs conservative [american-style] politics. Yeah, those guys will have a lot of use for rock n' rollers! > theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 10 13:10:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:10:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: From: Jerry > Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... > > --Vincent Vega > > And that's something that applies to Holland as well... > > Jerry I believe Tarantino lived in Amsterdam for a while polishing the script for Pulp Fiction. I take it his movies are huge in Holland? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 12:17:55 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:17:55 +0100 Subject: Concept Album-o-rama In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:29:37 EDT." Message-ID: Crawford Smith wrote: > > Speaking o' headbangin' type groups, didn't King Diamond and/or Mercyful > Fate do several concept albums? The title "Abagail" springs to mind... Indeed, KD's _Abigail_, _Them_ and I believe _Eye_ were all concept albums, certainly Abigail. However, isn't King Diamond european ? Actually if you can get past King Diamond's vocal style (which is admittedly tricky), Abigail is a pretty good album, notably cuts like "A Mansion In Darkness" and "Arrival" US concept albums don't exactly spring to mind beyond what's been listed. I guess Fates Warning's latest could be considered one, but it seems US bands can only hold an idea for less than an albums worth, perhaps a single side at most - side 2 of No Exit by the above, side 1 of Helstar's _Nosferatu_... Tim ObCD: Prodigy _Fat of the Land_ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 12:19:27 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:19:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:34:42 CDT." Message-ID: > One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of > imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read > the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is > about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene > all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? Apart from "Is this really a BOC-L thread?", no. Maybe irock... Tim From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Wed Sep 10 13:26:48 1997 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:26:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: >Agreed on Terrible Ted, >though he's okay live. What an asshole: he spouts off about freedom >and censorship, then turns around and backs conservative >[american-style] politics. Yeah, those guys will have a lot of use >for rock n' rollers! Not to start a new thread - BUT wasn't it Tipper Gore and the liberals who founded the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center) in the 1980's which wanted censorship, at least where rock lyrics were concerned? See ya, Tom Tom Minsel, Ph.D. Statistical Services Abacus-Direct Corp. 8774 Yates Dr. Westminster, CO. 80030 (303) 657-5274 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 10 13:40:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:40:02 EDT Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: > From: Tom Minsel > >Agreed on Terrible Ted, > >though he's okay live. What an asshole: he spouts off about freedom > >and censorship, then turns around and backs conservative > >[american-style] politics. Yeah, those guys will have a lot of use > >for rock n' rollers! > > Not to start a new thread - BUT wasn't it Tipper Gore and the liberals who > founded the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center) in the 1980's which wanted > censorship, at least where rock lyrics were concerned? > > See ya, > > Tom No, it was Tipper the Southern Belle Bible-head acting as a loose cannon and embarassment to her husband's political party. Notice how she shut up aafter Al got on the big ticket...But your point's taken--remember when Clinton was all outraged over Sister Soljah's remarks? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Sep 10 14:02:22 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:02:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? The BOC connection Message-ID: >Apart from "Is this really a BOC-L thread?", no. Maybe irock... > Not necessarily true in that by looking at the more recent tunes played live by BOC, namely the "Harvest Moon," "Still Burning" and other comrades, and compared to OYFoOYK (I can only do a BOC connection,...sorry HW persons -J) the room for soloing has altered significantly I think...It's become a far more compact solo in DR's new tunes while the old ones (Cities on Flame (in what he does during the break before the swingin' solo jam), Last days etc) are crammed with the most soloing (notewise) I've heard. Not to mention the phenomenon of the 5 man jam they used to do. So the question might be: "Can the BOC guitar song structure compete w/ the condensed tunes of popular rock today?" Kids these days aren't really used to viruoisty in a controlled, non superegocharged environemnt (80's)...they might transfer such dislike to their 70's betters. Just a thought Jason From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 05:34:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:34:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tall Dutch In-Reply-To: <01BCBDC5.E7DDA1C0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCBDC5.E7DDA1C0 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >Hence, in Holland people are tall. > > >Hope this is of interest. > >Mike P There's a guy who comes in my shop who's 7 foot 8 inches and has a great big tum to go with it. We call him "Conan" This list has gone barking... I promise no OFF posts for at least a fortnight. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 05:46:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:46:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: <199709092312.AAA21036@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199709092312.AAA21036 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes > Certainly by age 24 my preferences were firmly >fixed and although I may have both expanded and augmented this over the >years my overall preferred type of music style and sound has not altered. > >Yours in moosical appreciation I'd echo that. I listen to a great deal more music now I'm in my 30's and have a much wider taste but I'm still looking primarily for the right whooshy noise. (Only on BOC-l could I say that without a trace of irony.) When I was 24, I was in a band full-time and therefore was listening to little outside of our own band, and the bands we gigged with, (Ozrics, Culture Shock etc.) , as you do. The amount of times I've asked a musician what they're listening to at the moment, only to get a blank look and an "Ah........." -- Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 10 14:09:20 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:09:20 -0400 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: >These electrons were spewed across my screen... > > >>And, yes, I found the song on Space Bandits (with the ugliest Hawkwind >>cover ever!!), a nice record, a bit short, though. > >Oh? I kinda liked it... > >I think there are far worse Hawkwind Covers. > >Agreed! Like "Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gargarin"; ugly gray and red cover (look at it The cover was the only thing I liked on my Yuri Gargarin cd. Did they change covers? Mine has two figures on horseback in an open field with some (birch?) trees. A rather nice wilderness/frontier setting. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 05:29:06 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:29:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Kenneth Magnusson writes >Hi, > >I'm Kenneth and new to the mailing list and maybe, just maybe, I should >write something more intelligent as my first entry, but I couldn't resist >the moose thread: > >Didn't Hawkwind do a song called Black Elk Speaks a decade (or something) back ? Bravo, Ken, inspired debut post! Well done. Welcome aboard. One quibble, your post wasn't OFF, it was thouroughly on-topic and furthermore redeemed the entire thread, for which I thank you. -- Jon Browne ObCd - Cornershop "When I Was Born For The Seventh Time" includes cover of Norwegian Wood sung in Punjabi - great! From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Sep 10 13:02:31 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:02:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? In-Reply-To: <1D6EE40956@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Sep 10, 97 01:07:57 pm Message-ID: Theo says-- > > Whoever wrote the article must not be aware of the effortsof Robert > > Fripp, Adrian Belew, The California Guitar Trio, Fred Frith, David Torn, > > Frank Zappa, Jeff Beck, Vernon Reid, etc. If he or she is referring to > > such a lack in Top 40, I'm in full agreement. Screaming guitar has been > > replaced by screechy "vocals". > > > Yeah, but these are older guys. Wasn't the focus of the article on > new guitar heroes? Well, the CTG and Vernon Reid are relatively new, but the others (with the lamentable exception of Zappa) are still active. I really don't understand the tendency to dismiss the work of "older" musicians, especially when it is of much higher quality than the work of most "newer" musicians. But there are new artists doing imaginative guitar work. Brian Gingrich, Gitbox, and Ten Seconds are good examples. No, they're not "mainstream", but is "mainstream" usually listenable? :-) > > I think Robin Trower's _20th Century Blues_ (a great album btw) is his > > most recent album (1994), but I don't think we've seen the last of him. As > > for Ted Nugent, I suspect we won't hear anything interesting from him. > > > No! Robin's latest is Someday Blues, just released. Fine record, in > the vein of Gary Moore's blues records. Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. > Agreed on Terrible Ted, > though he's okay live. What an asshole: he spouts off about freedom > and censorship, then turns around and backs conservative > [american-style] politics. Yeah, those guys will have a lot of use > for rock n' rollers! Ted's a weird egg, no doubt about it! :-P Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Sep 10 14:35:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:35:30 -0400 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: Triple A sez.... >Agreed! Like "Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gargarin"; ugly gray and red cover (look at it The cover was the only thing I liked on my Yuri Gargarin cd. Did they change covers? Mine has two figures on horseback in an open field with some (birch?) trees. A rather nice wilderness/frontier setting. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--O-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random I should have been more specific. The cover to which I referred to was the LP cover; the Charley (?) CD has the aforementioned two riders. (Am I imagining it, or was there a CD reissue of BMtHoYG that had the gray cover? Scary though, a re-issue of _that_ CD!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 10 05:31:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:31:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970910002233.0092d7fc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19970910002233.0092d7fc at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes >Du ?r v?lkommen hursomhelst. B?rje ocks? f?r den delen. :-) >Fast det h?r ?r just nu ett hemskt st?lle som f?rst?r min ess? om >krigsjournalistik i Bangs tappning. Lester Bangs? Krigsjournalistik? Never! -- Jon Browne From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Sep 10 15:05:51 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:05:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: On Wednesday, September 10, 1997 11:27 AM, Tom Minsel [SMTP:tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM] wrote: > >Agreed on Terrible Ted, > >though he's okay live. What an asshole: he spouts off about freedom > >and censorship, then turns around and backs conservative > >[american-style] politics. Yeah, those guys will have a lot of use > >for rock n' rollers! > > Not to start a new thread - BUT wasn't it Tipper Gore and the liberals who > founded the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center) in the 1980's which wanted > censorship, at least where rock lyrics were concerned? Have to agree here. I think more censorship has come from the left than from the right. Aaron From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 10 18:08:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:08:08 +0000 Subject: Ugly covers! In-Reply-To: <199709101809.OAA29933@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 14:09 10.09.97 -0400, you wrote: >The cover was the only thing I liked on my Yuri Gargarin cd. Did they >change covers? >Mine has two figures on horseback in an open field with some (birch?) trees. >A rather >nice wilderness/frontier setting. I have that version. I thought that was worse than the other one! Looks like somebody did it in school...... As for covers, I hate the abuse of the Sacred Doremi shield! It's everywhere!!! So far I know Doremi (obviously) Hawklords Live Space Ritual vol. II Live In Space 1990 ...plus Nik's used it inside Past Or Future... As for the SB cover, I too dig the HotMG reference. And somebody thought the Alien4 cover was lame - why, it's far better than the music! (I think it's neat illustration). And, the Cyclops version of California Brainstorm (not the misty bridge, but band members from cheezy video stills and absolutely decrepid typography) is horrible. The whole design is awful - good thing the music makes up fer it! I also agree the friggin Birdyhop Prime (whatever) on Sonic Attack looks goofy as hell! Now, the BEST "semi official" cover has to be British Tribal Music! It's so good (and so is the title) that it fooled me way back when! A less obvious kickass cover is Zones (the full version w/out the black border)... to bad the music is pretty crap. Now, I have to mention the silly drawing inside the Griffin CD (and probably Flicknife LP) of CotBS, with the band - it's soooooo bad it's almost good, it's the most juvenile drawing ever saw in a CD that WASN'T intentional.... no wonder the artist never got paid...... Christian From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 10 16:09:23 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:09:23 -0500 Subject: Off: More Dead Guitars Message-ID: Guido>If he or she is referring to such a lack in Top 40, I'm in full agreement. Screaming guitar has been replaced by screechy "vocals". Mostly top 40 popular music. This is what those evil executives in the ivory towers are thrusting upon an unsuspecting public. Triumph's Just A Game describes the music industry to a tee. From: Jerry > To start with your obCD, Petrucci might be one of them (new heroes?), but I think his playing lacks emotion. Too technical. I saw them three times in a row and all solos sounded the same. Petrucci does have fast fingers and some juicy licks but it sounds as if all his parts are produced by a computer. He is very technical. Reminds me a lot of Steve Morse. Morse is so swift and clean that if I had a wish it would be for skills similar to his and Buck's ability to imbue music with emotion. Guido>As for Ted Nugent, I suspect we won't hear anything interesting from him. Ted has definietly seen better days. He functioned alright as part of Damn Yankees, but his last solo gig was a major failure. Ted in a group has potential be it ever so small. Theo>I see the non-soloing thing as a rebellion against hair band excess. But also it reflects the fact that a lot of alternative guys picked up the instrument more as a songwriting tool than a platform for soloing. And it's cool that these guys formed bands before they were highly proficient [technically, anyway] to play a lot of lead, so they just wrote songs that didn't have lead playing. And the formula worked, so why change anything? That was one of the thoughts in the article. Several guys have the skill but just stick to the style, others just don't have the skill or feel those skills are even necesarry anymore. But as a lurker pointed out in a private e-mail, lead guitarist really have to master rythm guitar first as more than 95% of the time thats what your doing anyway. Theo>BTW, AB, how 'bout Gary Hoey as a young turk gtr slinger? True, he plays more of an older style, and I can see how he'd be lumped in [incorrectly, IMHO] with dudes like Vatriani, but he has a cool sense of humor and doesn't seem to have the pedantic self-absorption of some of the other guitar gods.. Ah theo I thought you promised never to mention Hoey again? 8>). Gary drives me crazy I love his playing. I'd take him over any of the G3 gang and Morse too. His songs are just that songs and he dosen't seem to carry the extra baggage of a huge out of proportion ego like Yngwie. Gary collaborates with other guitarist (Brian Stezer on Bug Alley, Nuno Benttencourt on the Heavy Bones CD). Please excuse the drool on the monitors folks but I tend to react that way for Hoey. Even my wife loves Gary Hoey and she only listens to gospel and Earth Wind and Fire. I can't get into Satirani, Vai and some of those guys for the reasons you mentioned. One listen occassionally isn't bad if your in the mood but hard to get absorbed in their albums. Jason>Well, seeing that the ol' warhorses the Rolling Stones are supposedely incorporating "fance" (funk and dance music) into their trademark sound, Incroporating dance music? Stones have been playing essentially dance music since the late 80's I thought. Maybe they are going even deeper. Perhaps they'll have a guy with a couple of turntables scratching some vinyl during the tour. I wouldn't put it past those dinosaurs to do such a thing. My Top Guitarist, bear in mind I only listen to a small number of bands seriously The Master and all time champ - Buck Dharma (Who else?) 1. Ty Tabor - King's X - 2. Gary Hoey 3. Steve Morse 4. Jeff Beck 5. Rik Emmet 6. Frank Marino 7. Eddie Van Halen 8. Vernon Reid - Living Colour 9. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple and Rainbow era 10. Chris DiGarmo - Queensryche L8er lil' ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." - The Tick > Tick - : Enough chasing, its your turn thora-smog TAZ - Thrack-a-zog, thrack-a-zog with a K; boy are you ever rude. Lil Monster - Eat rude brains! Tick - No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog. TAZ - Listen buddy for the last time its thra? Tick - Thorax-in-a-bog? TAZ - Thrak? Tick - Ah Laxative log TAZ - no, no, no Tick - lap land -a- zog TAZ - no, no, no Tick - Four yaks and a dog? TAZ - Thrak? Tick - Sep suck a frog? TAZ - no, no, no Tick - Susan? TAZ - Now your doing it on purpose, how juvenille. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Sep 10 16:19:03 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:19:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: I shouldn't reply to this, but I gotta... > Not to start a new thread - BUT wasn't it Tipper Gore and the liberals who > founded the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center) in the 1980's which wanted > censorship, at least where rock lyrics were concerned? Have to agree here. I think more censorship has come from the left than from the right. Agreed. The liberals are more interested in censorship and thought control than the Republicans are. They keep trying pass laws that keep people enslaved to the government and under their control. While I wouldn't give you a dead fly for either the Republican or the Democratic party, I'd much rather have the Republicans running things than the Democrats (since it doesn't look like the Libertarians or Perots' party will ever gain much power...) Enough, take it to i-rock or private e-mail (although I don't want to participate in this particular discussion). Aaron From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 10 18:36:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:36:19 +0000 Subject: Ugly covers! In-Reply-To: <199709101809.OAA29933@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On the subject CotBS, how could I forget the cheapass Flicknife CD???? 3 color printing of a full color illustration. It was the first HW CD I ever got, now about 10 years later, I got the Griffin version almost just to see the art (well, the different extra tracks :)... and it still looks cheezy.... why did they chop/squeeze it all up??? What the f*** are they thinking? Granted, what I can see looks pretty lame, so maybe they are trying to blame it on poor reproduction.... How does the LP version(s) look? Also, IITBOTFTOD (!!!!!) has a great cover illustration, why didn't they make it a full bleed (i.e. no border).... The Palace Springs CD Cover looks like it was done on ZX Spectrum(80's)computer or something - pixels the size of kittylitter and probably 16 colors to choose from.... I gotta stop this now... Christian From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Sep 10 18:15:22 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:15:22 +0200 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: Allright, I meant that Space Bandits has the ugliest cover of the "real" albums, sorry for not being clear. When it comes to unofficial and half-official releases there are so many ugly covers to choose (moose?) from, my God, where should I begin, where ? where? (While looking at my Hawkwind collection I must admit I am shocked by the sorry state the english recordindusties artdepartments must be in, at least in the eighties) I think Friends and Relations Pt III is a strong competitor, and Live at Reading CD, oh dear, Live at Reading.... not only ugly but also stupid. On a more positve side, the best should be: Space Ritual Warrior On The Edge Of Time Astounding Sounds.... Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitintoday Hawklords - 25 Years on Live Chronicles (apart from the atombomb and the fact that it isn't a fold-out) All in their original LP cover. Outside Hawkwind: I think most Rush albums since Caress Of Steel are worth mentioning. King Crimson - Frame By Frame - Discipline There's more, but I think this is enough. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Sep 10 18:15:34 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:15:34 +0200 Subject: OFF: Meeses and Hawkwind ! Message-ID: >Kenneth wrote: >> >>Strange, according to my dictionary (Modern Engelsk Svensk Ordbok - Prisma) >>"moose" is american english, so it should be Black Moose Speaks, shouldn't >>it ? > >No, the (American) elk is a completely different animal than the European elk. >Moose and (European) elk (?lgar allts?!) are both members of the species Alces. >American Elk is a member of the species Cervus (more ordinary deer like). Eh, I was just trying to be funny, sorry. >Ha ha, det ?r n?stan s? man hoppas att jag har r?tt och du har fel ? att >ni verkligen skrev det p? plattan... :-) >[Jag ?r av naturen en elak illasinnad m?nniska ;-) ] Jag kan t?nka mig att v?ran svenska diskussion retar en och annan, du kan ju tr?sta dig med det om vi inte har skrivit n?got, jag orkar inte kolla. >>>N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? >> >>Spelar/de han n?got i Egg ? > >Nej. Stort HW fan bara. Han var ocks? inblandad i anordnandet av Hawk konventet >som skulle ha g?tt av stapeln i Sverige i somras men som aldrig blev av. >Skulle ni inte spelat d?r? (Jag kanske bara kommer ih?g fel). Nej, vi spelade dock i Hamburg. >F?r bandet ?r the Moor, inte sant. J?pp. >J?vligt snygg hemsida f?rresten! Jag har kikat p? den n?gra g?nger tidigare. Tackar. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 10 19:03:55 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:03:55 +0100 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: > > As for covers, I hate the abuse of the Sacred Doremi shield! It's > everywhere!!! I always thought it was like a radio grille or something? But everyone else calls it a shield so I must be wrong... Best covers: 25 Years On, Warrior (with the Chaos shield), In Search of Space fold-out, Space Ritual's "road map to hell" (I quote from memory from "Riff Kills Man" :), and one of the best of all, Roadhawks. All of these were Barney Bubbles', weren't they? Quark's was by Psygnosis, which is why it looks like lots of other covers from the 70s... BTW, yes, Spalax records have put out a "digipak" of Yuri Gagarin with the original cover (which was the best thing about it, really). They've also put out a digipak of SR2, an excellent digipak of Amon Duul's Paradieswarts Duul (which I recommend unreservedly), loads of Cosmic Jokers, etc etc. The Love in Space EP looks like it's got a nice package, too, from the website... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 10 20:08:18 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:08:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Coded Languages In-Reply-To: Kenneth Magnusson's message of Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:15:34 +0200 Message-ID: Hey guys Without wishing to appear xenophobic here...... > >Ha ha, det ?r n?stan s? man hoppas att jag har r?tt och du har fel ? att > >ni verkligen skrev det p? plattan... :-) > >[Jag ?r av naturen en elak illasinnad m?nniska ;-) ] > > Jag kan t?nka mig att v?ran svenska diskussion retar en och annan, du kan > ju tr?sta dig med det om vi inte har skrivit n?got, jag orkar inte kolla. > > >>>N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? > >> > >>Spelar/de han n?got i Egg ? > > > >Nej. Stort HW fan bara. Han var ocks? inblandad i anordnandet av Hawk konventet > >som skulle ha g?tt av stapeln i Sverige i somras men som aldrig blev av. > >Skulle ni inte spelat d?r? (Jag kanske bara kommer ih?g fel). > > Nej, vi spelade dock i Hamburg. > > >F?r bandet ?r the Moor, inte sant. > > J?pp. > > >J?vligt snygg hemsida f?rresten! Jag har kikat p? den n?gra g?nger tidigare. I really enjoy reading all the OFF subjects (when I can understand them) and I honestly don't mind folk chatting in languages I wot not of! But could I possibly ask you to either (a) put a warning in your header that the following message is unreadable to anyone whose language is (I regret to say) solely and unremittingly English and I therefore need not bother with it or (b) provide a translation- cum-glossary as a postscript at the end to enlighten my ignorance? Tak (which I think is the Norwegian form) Ta (being the colloquial British) Thank you (being the refined version of course) jill obcomment> a history teacher on the Anglo Saxon invasion: "The acute Angles came north and the obtuse Angles went south....." obdilemma> so which way am I going to vote tomorrow? decisions - sigh ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 11 00:27:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:27:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Coded Languages (Terrestrial advisory: encrypted lyricism) In-Reply-To: <199709110008.BAA09309@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 01:08 11.09.97 +0100, J Strobridge wrote: >Hey guys > >Without wishing to appear xenophobic here...... >(....) >(b) provide a translation- >cum-glossary as a postscript at the end to enlighten my ignorance? Okay! Daniel sez: >> >Ha ha, det ?r n?stan s? man hoppas att jag har r?tt och du har fel ? att >> >ni verkligen skrev det p? plattan... :-) >> >[Jag ?r av naturen en elak illasinnad m?nniska ;-) ] Translated from Swedish (untranslateble words marked <*> explained below:) "Ha ha, you were totally aspackad <*> in succeeding, when you last reconstructed your mind in the past by mentally clinging your synaptic pulses on to passing tachyon particles to have your mindpattern imprinted in your past self, seconds earlier than now, telling me to pass down the tachyons for you. :-) [In case it did nok work this time, I'll tweak the lower dot up a bit. ;-) ]" :-) = symbol illustrates an anchor, a metaphor for clinging to tachyons so that one can change the past to that of which one has been familiar with earlier in another lifetime of the past before clinging their mindpattern to tachyons having been given to them by the person using the anchor metaphor in the first partially translated sentence of the conversation they are holding in the present, which will resolve its roundabout point in the near future. ;-) = same as above, but somehow altered. <*> aspackad = successful, or successful state of mind/affairs of state, the goal of the traditional Swedish morning ritual, what one wishes their children will learn to achieve in the future. Also means perfect, great, good, ok etc., anything positive relating to feelings/emotional state(s). Being well prepared for driving a Volvo. Kenneth sez: >> Jag kan t?nka mig att v?ran svenska diskussion retar en och annan, du kan >> ju tr?sta dig med det om vi inte har skrivit n?got, jag orkar inte kolla. "I think we are being intercepted by an alien lifeform. It is somehow recording our then past but now current thoughts but playing them back as gibberish, in the near future." Daniel sez: >> >>>N?got s?ger mig att du k?nner (till?) Johan Edlundh. Riktigt? "I wonder if the alien lifeform is (Admiral?) Johan Edlundh <*>. Hello?" Kenneth sez: >> >>Spelar/de han n?got i Egg ? "He was/is or will be involved in an Infinity-rebirth emryonic game of of cyclic golf perhaps?" Daniel sez: >> >Nej. Stort HW fan bara. Han var ocks? inblandad i anordnandet av Hawk konventet >> >som skulle ha g?tt av stapeln i Sverige i somras men som aldrig blev av. >> >Skulle ni inte spelat d?r? (Jag kanske bara kommer ih?g fel). "No. It is not HIM, it is someone else, someone connected to a similar hue of Hawk, but his mental footprints cling like transformed matter rising from a knastrumpet <*> to the tachyon transmission going in the opposite direction. Can't you tell the difference? (perhaps we are just being paranoid)." <*> knastrumpet = complex engine used in spiritual fold drives, generally installed as a plugins in portable neuron expanding devices. Kenneth sez: >> Nej, vi spelade dock i Hamburg. >> "No, I think it is coming from Hamburg." Daniel sez: >> >F?r bandet ?r the Moor, inte sant. "From somewhere close to the Moor <*>, where they were once." <*> Moor = forest dwelling mythic creatures, connected to the Hawk in a strange and obscure fashion, strange storytelling little pixies found in legends as genetically encoded in any given lifeform (buffer-history boosters may drive them to memory), the place(s)/time(s) where such creatures/pixies dwell, fabled fragment of the first ever buffer- history booster which allegedly exploded on contact with the Moor. >> J?pp. "Japp. <*>" <*> Japp. = irrepairable damage alert, usually associated with displacement in space-time continuum. Very often the punchline in creative complex humor which makes sense sometime in the future, many minutes after it has been told, ususally in the form of logic so pure it crashes your neural network from all time-space sectors at once. In secret jargon it means "pass me the tachyons, Daniel". Daniel sez: >> >J?vligt snygg hemsida f?rresten! Jag har kikat p? den n?gra g?nger tidigare. "Allright, who's recording our minds! You, whoever you may be just shorted out my friend's synaptic activity." -----translation end----- J Strobridge sez: >Tak (which I think is the Norwegian form) Very close :-) (it needs an extra "k" at the end) >Ta (being the colloquial British) >Thank you (being the refined version of course) > >jill You are welcome, Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Sep 10 22:42:06 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:42:06 +0200 Subject: OFF: Coded Languages Message-ID: At 01:08 AM 9/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hey guys > >Without wishing to appear xenophobic here...... > [all Swedish... snip!] >I really enjoy reading all the OFF subjects (when I can understand >them) and I honestly don't mind folk chatting in languages I wot not >of! But could I possibly ask you to either (a) put a warning in >your header that the following message is unreadable to anyone whose >language is (I regret to say) solely and unremittingly English and >I therefore need not bother with it or (b) provide a translation- >cum-glossary as a postscript at the end to enlighten my ignorance? Oh, the discussion were about *nothing*, really. Please excuse us... > >Tak (which I think is the Norwegian form) Maybe, I dunno the spelling in Norwegian... but "tak" means "roof" in Swedish ..."tack" = "thank you" suss gott -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 10 23:46:56 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:46:56 -0400 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: I think I smell the start of a poll here... >Outside Hawkwind: BOC - Cult Classic BOC - Some Enchanted Evening BOC - On Your Feet (especially the inside) Pink Floyd - Wish you were here (the burning one) Pink Floyd - Animals Pink Floyd - Pulse Spinal Tap - Intravenous De Milo Brain Surgeons - that one with Snoopy on it Nik Turner - Past or Future (the one that changes as you move it) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 10 23:55:24 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:55:24 +0800 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: > As for covers, I hate the abuse of the Sacred Doremi shield! It's > everywhere!!! > So far I know > > Doremi (obviously) > Hawklords Live > Space Ritual vol. II > Live In Space 1990 > > ...plus Nik's used it inside Past Or Future... > And also on the Undisclosed Files! It was a great cover, but when you start to see it everywhere, you do get sick of it (I think!). I rather like the Xenon CodeX album cover (fold-out version). Shame they didn't do that on the CD as well. I also quite like Palace Springs cover. Nicely psychedelic. William From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 11 00:44:11 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:44:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:54:27 +0100 M Holmes wrote: >What goes around comes around. Psychedelic guru Dr. Timothy Leary (now >an ex person with ashes orbiting Earth) stated in the 60's that the >music you were listening to around the time of your first orgasm would >be the type of music you listened to for the rest of your life. This was >related to theories of "imprinting". Heh... yet more evidence that he was full of it. I hadn't even discovered prog until a few years after I first - um - wet my bed, so to speak. >Of course Dr Leary did talk bollocks much of the time so there's no need >to pay special heed to this. Amen. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 11 00:44:17 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:44:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Christian Mumford wrote: >(seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking about >actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) Oh ok... um, nevermind. :-) >Makes sense, it's all associative thinking/imprinting, of course taste in >music is much more trivial, and maybe the orgasm idea is a bit of a stretch. >We associate things with parts of our life that were significant. Anyone >here have stuff they really like but never play because you hate thinking >about stuff you have associated it with?? (those cringingly sentimental >moments!) Yeah... that song about some park (what's it called?) that goes, "You used to think that it was so easy / You used to think that it was so easy / but you're trying, you're trying now // You used to think that you would be happy / another year and you would be happy / but you're crying, you're crying now".. Yes, yes; it's a cheesy 80's pop song, but I used to like it a lot - until I found out that the young lady that I was somewhat involved with - one whose favorite song is/was the above - went and ... (well, you know about nice guy syndrome; I don't have to spell it out for you. I'm engaged anyway, so what do I care? ...I still don't like the song anymore, though. :-P ) Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 11 01:21:00 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:21:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:40:02 EDT "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: >> Not to start a new thread - BUT wasn't it Tipper Gore and the liberals >who >> founded the PMRC (Parent's Music Resource Center) in the 1980's which >wanted >> censorship, at least where rock lyrics were concerned? >No, it was Tipper the Southern Belle Bible-head acting as a loose >cannon and embarassment to her husband's political party. Yes... they're called "Southern Democrats" - y'know, the ones who - and I'm QUOTING here - said in the 60's that they "wouldn't let them n*gg*r-lovin' R'publicans pass them dad-gum civil rights laws as long as all my dead relatives are still votin' three or four times per 'lection!" Again, for those of you who are not reading closely, I'm covering my ass twice here: That was a fictional QUOTE, not me. Damon From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Sep 11 03:35:57 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:35:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: Damon wrote: > that song about some park (what's it called?) that goes... It's "Baker Street", I believe. As for musical tastes being formed by age 24, I have difficulty believing this was a "scientific" study; it has a folklorish ring, like the supposed French method of determining the ideal age of one's mistress. And about as useful! I'm 39 and yeah, it's probably true for me, but I'd been a stone BOC fan for nine years at that point. A person never knows what he'll get into in the future, I guess, and there's stuff I like now that I would have sneered at then (Nick Lowe's last album of country stuff is one of my favorite albums of the last couple of years). By and large the stuff I went for was hard rock, but I was never a real booster of the genre as a whole (i.e. I thought a lot of the bands were shit). And I found the 80's generated a whole slew of developments that left me cold, many of which have been commented on here already. 6th-generation bastardizations of stuff that was second-generation to begin with; I mean, I liked Aerosmith, but I was not prepared for a wave of bands who apparently had never heard of anything prior to them, and lacked their songwriting skill to boot. Then there was the opposite end of the hard-rock spectrum, the _____-metal bands (choose your snooze) who represented possibly the greatest misdirection of effort and practice time ever seen on this continent or elsewhere. All the bands that failed to realize that there was a point at which increasing the tempo didn't make the music "harder" or "heavier"; it made it geekier. No contrast, no swing, no songs, no soul, just geeky dead-end suburban spew laced with pointless time changes and imagery copped from pisspoor horror movies and cartoon fantasy. Hey, I'm not talking about the bands that any of *you* like, however! From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Sep 11 04:26:22 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:26:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > In article <199709092312.AAA21036 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge > writes > > Certainly by age 24 my preferences were firmly > >fixed and although I may have both expanded and augmented this over > the > >years my overall preferred type of music style and sound has not > altered. > > > >Yours in moosical appreciation > > I'd echo that. I listen to a great deal more music now I'm in my 30's > and have a much wider taste but I'm still looking primarily for the > right whooshy noise. (Only on BOC-l could I say that without a trace > of > irony.) Boy, ain't thatt the truth-and I echo your sentiment here-I'm *still* doing that!I find it interesting just how many different ways that that "Whooshy" sound can be made.And on how so many different instruments-and than they mix-em up-Yahoo!!! (The teenager got out here-/me gets out the net and goes to find her to put her away for a bit-again. ) :) :) Here's to "that whooshy sound" we all like! Cheers! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Christian Mumford writes: > At 01:08 11.09.97 +0100, J Strobridge wrote: > >Hey guys > > > >Without wishing to appear xenophobic here...... > >(....) > >(b) provide a translation- > >cum-glossary as a postscript at the end to enlighten my ignorance? > > Okay! > [...bits of higher enlightenment removed to protect those of sensitive mindstate ...] > >> J?pp. > > "Japp. <*>" > > <*> Japp. = irrepairable damage alert, usually associated with displacement > in > space-time continuum. Very often the punchline in creative complex humor > which makes sense sometime in the future, many minutes after it has > been told, ususally in the form of logic so pure it crashes your neural > network from all time-space sectors at once. In secret jargon it > means "pass me the tachyons, Daniel". > That's relief. I was afraid I might be missing out on some important explication of the transdimensional compaction of the infinite immutability conceptualisation of our inner selves where a state of such high potential is achieved that the universe becomes as a crystal of clear conspicuation and it is thereby proved that Dave Brock has achieved godhood. Obviously not 8-) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 11 05:28:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:28:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's mail of Wed, 10 Sep 97 16:19 -0400 Message-ID: This, to my way of thinking, is an excellent example of a message that should never be posted to BOC-L. Let's leave politics out of it, huh? Dave. On 10 Sep 21:19, Craig Shipley wrote: > > Have to agree here. I think more censorship has come from the left than > > from the right. > > Agreed. The liberals are more interested in censorship and thought control > than the Republicans are. They keep trying pass laws that keep people > enslaved to the government and under their control. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 11 09:43:53 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:43:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's message of Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Christian Mumford > wrote: > >(seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking about > >actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) Were that the case, I'd be listening to Abba and Doctor Hook. Yeah, yeah. I was young. Hormones were raging, and what girls listened to wasn't uppermost in my mind. Sue me. Besides, it was onlly a few months later that I was to discover Hawkwind. FoFP From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Sep 11 09:51:40 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:51:40 CDT Subject: Coded Languages Message-ID: This morning, I read Jill's ob's: >obcomment> a history teacher on the Anglo Saxon invasion: >"The acute Angles came north and the obtuse Angles went south....." [snickers] >obdilemma> so which way am I going to vote tomorrow? decisions - sigh What votes are going down? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 11 10:21:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:21:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Thu, 11 Sep 97 14:43 +0100 Message-ID: On 11 Sep 14:43, M Holmes wrote: > Were that the case, I'd be listening to Abba and Doctor Hook. > > Yeah, yeah. I was young. Hormones were raging, and what girls listened to > wasn't uppermost in my mind. Sue me. I dread to think what the world would be like if we *could* sue people on grounds of taste :-) Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 11 10:35:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:35:00 +0100 Subject: Coded Languages In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s mail of Thu, 11 Sep 97 08:51 -0500 Message-ID: On 11 Sep 14:51, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > What votes are going down? Paraphrasing: 1. Do you want a Scottish Parliament? 2. Do you want the Scottish Parliament (if created) to have tax-varying powers? Everyone resident in Scotland can vote. The expected result is a clear majority in favour of the Parliament, and a smaller majority in favour of tax-varying powers. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 11 11:01:27 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:01:27 +0100 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: > All of these were Barney Bubbles', weren't they? Quark's was by Psygnosis, > which is why it looks like lots of other covers from the 70s... Oops - I meant Hipgnosis, of course... not the Lemmings people! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:19:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:19:47 EDT Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > > All of these were Barney Bubbles', weren't they? Quark's was by Psygnosis, > > which is why it looks like lots of other covers from the 70s... > > Oops - I meant Hipgnosis, of course... not the Lemmings people! > > - Andy > Hate to say what i know will be considered heresy, but i think tBS should fire whoever does their art work. 3-for-3 if you ask me. Sorry Al, with my luck you probably designed them! theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:26:38 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:26:38 -0400 Subject: Music and Age In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Here here Adam. George Clinto is the true father of Rock and Roll. Any > doubters need only listen to the albums you cite. Maggot Brains has > been covered by many a rock band. The P-Funk lives on. Which brings us full circle, and ties together many current threads: J. Mascis plays a humongous solo on a cover of "Maggot Brain" on Mike Watt's _Ball-Hot or Tugboat_ album, and, as we all know, Watt himself did a cover of "Dominance and Submission..." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:27:20 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:27:20 -0400 Subject: Coded Votes (OT) In-Reply-To: <199709111435.PAA07294@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Sep 11, 97 03:35:00 pm Message-ID: > > On 11 Sep 14:51, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > What votes are going down? > > Paraphrasing: > > 1. Do you want a Scottish Parliament? > 2. Do you want the Scottish Parliament (if created) to have tax-varying > powers? > > Everyone resident in Scotland can vote. The expected result is a > clear majority in favour of the Parliament, and a smaller majority > in favour of tax-varying powers. > > Dave. with a similar vote in Wales on the 18 i believe. Labour is hoping for a strong Yes vote in Scotland to help bolster a Yes vote in Wales, which is too close to call (per CNN). --(another) dave From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:31:30 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:31:30 -0400 Subject: Music and Age In-Reply-To: <199709101304.OAA11339@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > On 10 Sep 13:47, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > Here here Adam. George Clinto is the true father of Rock and Roll. Any > > doubters need only listen to the albums you cite. Maggot Brains has > > been covered by many a rock band. The P-Funk lives on. > > Have you heard Praxis? One of Bill Laswell's projects. A wonderful > combination of funk and metal guitar. Actually, "metal guitar" is probably an understatement. We're talking about veering towards grindcore here. :-) But there's a closer connection. Yet *another* of Bill Laswell's projects, Material, do a cover of "Cosmic Slop" on their _The Third Power_ album. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _Brothers and Sisters_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:42:59 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:42:59 EDT Subject: off:UK politics Message-ID: > From: dave cohen > > > > On 11 Sep 14:51, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > > What votes are going down? > > > > Paraphrasing: > > > > 1. Do you want a Scottish Parliament? > > 2. Do you want the Scottish Parliament (if created) to have tax-varying > > powers? > > > > Everyone resident in Scotland can vote. The expected result is a > > clear majority in favour of the Parliament, and a smaller majority > > in favour of tax-varying powers. > > > > Dave. > > with a similar vote in Wales on the 18 i believe. Labour > is hoping for a strong Yes vote in Scotland to help > bolster a Yes vote in Wales, which is too close to > call (per CNN). > > --(another) dave Could someone from the UK email me privately about this? I'm interested in the ramifications of Yes votes in these elections... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega obCD: Genius of America/the Tubes From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:45:49 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:45:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? In-Reply-To: <199709092224.RAA05464@wcic.org> Message-ID: lil' ab writes: > One of the Guitar magazines has a cover story about the lack of > imaginative guitar playing in todays modern music scene. Didn't read > the whole thing but several people suggested that Techno-dance music is > about to take over in a big way and that rock may be leaving the scene > all together (fat chance). Still there is a huge gap in todays music as > none of the newer bands seem to care or are able to perform the old > standard flaming guitar solo. Any of you professional out there have an > opinion on this? Have we seen the last of virtuosos like Buck, Ted > Nugent, Frank Marino, Robin Trower? > > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? I don't know about monster solos in terms of length so much, but it strikes me that Warren Haynes of Govt. Mule plays monster solos in terms of impact at least, which is a pretty mean feat considering Govt. Mule ordinarily plays with the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids, so to top that takes some doing... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ (what a coincidence:) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 11 11:56:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:56:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: From: Paul Mather > > > > I know there are several young guys who can play but they don't appear > > enamored with the mosnter solo. Thoughts anyone? > > I don't know about monster solos in terms of length so much, but it > strikes me that Warren Haynes of Govt. Mule plays monster solos in terms > of impact at least, which is a pretty mean feat considering Govt. Mule > ordinarily plays with the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids, so to > top that takes some doing... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ (what a coincidence:) > Right on! Warren can shred with anyone--fretted or slide. But again, though he's only been famous recently, he would be considered an old-style gtr plyr. I think the article AB was referring to was asking if today's youngsters are interested in lead playing. I think there will always be strong pockets of certain musical styles, as they appeal to certain people. Hence, though Alternative was big, it didn't kill off metal, country rock, rebel rock etc. It simply dominated as a trend for a while. Who knows what will take it's place, as it appears to be losing steam right now... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega obCD: Genius of America/the Tubes From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Thu Sep 11 11:33:51 1997 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:33:51 -0400 Subject: OFF Re: Music and Age In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Paul Mather wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > > > On 10 Sep 13:47, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > Here here Adam. George Clinto is the true father of Rock and Roll. Any > > > doubters need only listen to the albums you cite. Maggot Brains has > > > been covered by many a rock band. The P-Funk lives on. > > > > Have you heard Praxis? One of Bill Laswell's projects. A wonderful > > combination of funk and metal guitar. > > Actually, "metal guitar" is probably an understatement. We're talking > about veering towards grindcore here. :-) Wasn't Bootsy Colling s member of Praxis? Rob V. 69th degree Bewilderbeest of the Serengetti Tradition Lover of the 249th degree Fieldmouse of Nimh of the Serengetti Tradition All hail the Zebra of the Nth degree! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 11 12:31:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:31:23 -0400 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: I really like tBS covers myself. But then again, I've never yet bought or not bought an album based on the cover. No wait, I take that back. I actually haven't bought Metallica's *Load* at this point because of the cover (although many Metallica fans might say that the music contained within is reason enough) -- to me, art is not some guy jerking off, mixing it with pig's blood, and throwing it on a sheet of paper. John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Sep 11 12:44:10 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:44:10 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: artwork Message-ID: >Hate to say what i know will be considered heresy, but i think tBS >should fire whoever does their art work. 3-for-3 if you ask me. >Sorry Al, with my luck you probably designed them! Well, he didn't do them..Steve Brodner did. FYI, he's also a political cartoonist in the publication "In These Times." Th artwork is definately not what we're used to in terms of hard rock LP covers I'll give you that much. In these boxes of trepanation, Jason From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 11 12:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:45:00 +0100 Subject: OFF Re: Music and Age In-Reply-To: Rob Vincent's mail of Thu, 11 Sep 97 11:33 -0400 Message-ID: On 11 Sep 16:33, Rob Vincent wrote: > > > Have you heard Praxis? One of Bill Laswell's projects. A wonderful > > > combination of funk and metal guitar. > > > > Actually, "metal guitar" is probably an understatement. We're talking > > about veering towards grindcore here. :-) > > Wasn't Bootsy Colling s member of Praxis? Yes. I believe the lineup was/is Bootsy Collins, Buckethead, Brain, and Bill Laswell. They recently produced a live album, which I haven't been able to find yet. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 11 12:47:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:47:00 +0100 Subject: Ugly covers! In-Reply-To: John A Swartz's mail of Thu, 11 Sep 97 12:31 -0400 Message-ID: On 11 Sep 17:31, John A Swartz wrote: > to me, art is not some guy jerking off, > mixing it with pig's blood, and throwing it on a sheet of paper. How about pissing in the snow and making a plaster cast of the result? (Someone exhibited said casts in a show last year). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 11 13:02:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:02:01 EDT Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > I really like tBS covers myself. But then again, I've never yet bought or > not bought an album based on the cover. No wait, I take that back. I Agreed. What's inside is what counts, and tBS have plenty to spare in that regard... > actually haven't bought Metallica's *Load* at this point because of the > cover (although many Metallica fans might say that the music contained > within is reason enough) -- to me, art is not some guy jerking off, > mixing it with pig's blood, and throwing it on a sheet of paper. > > John And I'm sure there are lots of examples of great cover art where the disc inside was garbage... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega obCD: Genius of America/the Tubes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 11 13:19:41 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:19:41 +0100 Subject: OFF Re: Music and Age Message-ID: > 69th degree Bewilderbeest of the Serengetti Tradition As Deke Leonard wrote, "She gets me hot and sweaty/Like the burnin' Serengeti"... That reminds me - who's going to see Man on Saturday then??? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 11 13:22:06 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:22:06 +0100 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: On Thursday, September 11, 1997 5:31 PM, John A Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] wrote: > I really like tBS covers myself. But then again, I've never yet bought or > not bought an album based on the cover. No wait, I take that back. I > actually haven't bought Metallica's *Load* at this point because of the > cover (although many Metallica fans might say that the music contained > within is reason enough) -- to me, art is not some guy jerking off, > mixing it with pig's blood, and throwing it on a sheet of paper. > > John Don't worry, John, pretend you didn't buy it because it's crap, and you won't be far off! Let's see... I bought Rammstein's eponymous album mail order, but I might have thought twice about buying it in the shop; Tania memorably described it as "six naked greased Germans in a pink flower"! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Sep 11 15:01:34 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:01:34 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Re: artwork Message-ID: Theo said: >Hate to say what i know will be considered heresy, but i think tBS >should fire whoever does their art work. 3-for-3 if you ask me. >Sorry Al, with my luck you probably designed them! And Jason replied: > Well, he didn't do them..Steve Brodner did. FYI, he's also a political > cartoonist in the publication "In These Times." Th artwork is definately > not what we're used to in terms of hard rock LP covers I'll give you that > much. They are definately unique. The one I enjoy the most is the cover for Trepanation. Deb's menacing look defines the heavy style of the tunes on the album. Then you've got the Medusa imagery representing the song and merging well with the "heavy music inside" idea. The best part though is that it includes all members of the band, showing that tBS aren't just Deb and Al anymore, but a solid group. It's taken me a while to get used to the cover of Box of Hammers. I don't know if I'll ever really like it, but I get the idea behind it. The "Eponomous" is just funny. It goes right along with the tone of the whole album and although that's not the best picture of Al and Deb on the back cover, I think it's cool. And clever- especially for a hard rock album. And they're all better than the cover of the Mirrors album, and about 90% of Hawkwind's covers! Brian --------------------------------------------------- Brian Halligan Copywriter Intern Buck & Pulleyn brianh at pulleyn.com "It was only a practice brain. 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Anyone have statistics of how many lemmings are trampled by moose each year? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Sep 11 15:16:31 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:16:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Cubby Bear review Message-ID: I am finally getting around to posting my review of the Hawkwind show at the Cubby Bear in Chicago on August 24, 1997. First, let me say that I thought the show was excellent. Second, let me ask if it would have killed the powers-that-be if there were a little bit of ***ADVERTISING***? If it weren't for boc-l and the flier I got in the mail, I probably would never have known the show was going on. The only advance notice that was given was the band's name with the date in the Cubby Bear's listing in the Chicago Reader and the New City (both free weekly newspapers). There was no other advertising that I saw, and nothing in the "Early Warning" section of the Reader. Even the Cubby Bear, which is across the street from Wrigley Field (home of the Chicago Cubs - hence the name), did not deem it worthy to put Hawkwind's name up in advance on their large outdoor electronic message center (you know, the kind of marquee that scrolls text in lights). On the day of the show, Hawkwind was still only infrequently mentioned on the marquee. How do they expect to sell tickets if no one knows about the show? The attendance at the show was only about 200 or 300 people, which is smaller than I can remember ever being at a Hawkwind or Nikwind show in Chicago. Hell, they didn't even have advanced ticket sales through T*ck*tm*st*r or at the box office. Sigh. I hope that they were still able to make money, and that it didn't sour them from coming back to the States again sometime in my lifetime. Anyway, on to the show itself. The Cubby Bear is rather small, but the sound was excellent and the small size of the crowd meant that there was plenty of room to move around. The crowd was enthusiastic despite their numbers. The opening band was called Electric Medicine, and they weren't too bad, but not ready for prime time. Let's move right on to the starring attraction. Hawkwind came on and all the members seemed to be in good spirits. Dave was joking with the audience the whole time, and Ron came out painted in green from the waist up. They started right into their set. The set list was: [some new song] Warrior on the Edge of Time Assault & Battery Golden Void (after which, Dave said "That was Golden Void and such") Hassan I Sabha Starflight [something which really cranked] Love in Space Aerospaceage Inferno Sonic Attack Blue Skin Brainstorm [I can't remember - possibly 'Processed'] Brainstorm Alien I Am [one or two other songs I don't remember] Encore: Ejection Black Corridor Ejection I didn't time the show, but I seem to remember it being a little over an hour long. Also, the set list could be wrong in a few spots. If someone can fill in the gaps or make corrections, I would appreciate it. Again, the set was great overall. The band sounded very tight, which is amazing considering the changes lately. Ron sounded good on bass, Dave was actually playing some guitar and was (believe it or not) visible behind his synthesizers, Richard was in his usual "in a zone and playing perfectly" state, and Jerry was adding a wonderfully powerful guitar sound. They were rocking out more than I can remember them sounding in a long time. Anyone who was afraid that Hawkwind was sliding into ambient need only have been present to see that that is not happening. Random thoughts: I met up with Doug Bates (and his friend Rick?? (sorry, I am so bad with names)) before the show. It was good to meet someone else from the list there. I thought there would be more representation, and maybe I just missed everyone else, but I was wearing my Nethawks shirt and didn't spot any others. Anyway, I spent the show with Doug and his friend where the video was set up back by the lights. For the entire show, the lighting guys were furiously swapping the circular film thingies that made the swirly visual effects (sorry for all the technical jargon :-), and I think it came off pretty well given the small size of the venue and the stage. I had a brief chance to talk to Jim Lasco. He seems like a nice guy, and he should be thanked for all the effort he put in. The t-shirt that was for sale was basic black and was printed in glow-in-the-dark ink. It has the shield design on the front and the tour dates on the back. For a black-and white shirt (well, really black-and-a-sort-of-glowing-off-green), it looks pretty cool. Gerry Richards is a welcomed addition to the band. I got a chance to talk to Gerry after the show and he was very friendly. Physically, he is actually pretty easy to describe. Image that both Frank Zappa and Tony Iommi are running through an airport to catch a plane. Picture them colliding trying to both get through the metal detector at the same time and then fusing together into one person. Now go describe the result to your friendly neighborhood sketch artist. The resulting drawing will look exactly like Gerry. I can't wait to get a chance to see them again. I have every confidence in this incarnation of the band. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -- Steven Wright From stayer at PI.NET Thu Sep 11 21:05:16 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:05:16 -0700 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > I believe Tarantino lived in Amsterdam for a while polishing the > script for Pulp Fiction. I take it his movies are huge in Holland? Hehe, Pulp Fiction. Yes, it's true about the mayonaise... :-) Well, the usual hype, I would say. I thought it was nice to see a film made that way, but to me and according to the title also to Tarantino, the film is as much worth as other pulp. It "inspired" some others to make films like that, and those are even worse. "Doom Generation" is probably the worst film ever. IMHO, that is. Jerry From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Sep 11 15:58:11 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:58:11 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: Q: what other interesting songs in the list's eclectic canon seem Surgeonish? A: Maybe Radar Love by golden earing...(after all they smoked on I just Wanna make Love to You originally by Muddy Waters I believe and modified by Foghat); 21st Century Schizoid Man would be an interesting excursion in how the beat would change under Al's funkified drummery. Bonomo's Turkish Taffy by SFG also sounds very Surgeonable (that and Gil Blanco County). Q2: What would be a cool Career of Christmas II cover be? and any ideas for cool names instead of saying CoCII? A: Christmas of the Salmon Salt w/ Charlie Tuna in Cult worshiping garb from FoUO or ETL holding a copy of BoH or a Cellsum symbol glowing mysteriously:) The knife-edge's cuttin' the rug with you. Jason From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Sep 11 14:49:35 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:49:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: <199709111343.OAA00813@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Sep 11, 97 02:43:53 pm Message-ID: FoFP says-- > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Christian Mumford > > wrote: > > > >(seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking about > > >actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) > > Were that the case, I'd be listening to Abba and Doctor Hook. > > Yeah, yeah. I was young. Hormones were raging, and what girls listened to > wasn't uppermost in my mind. Sue me. Eeesh! I'd be listening to Dan Fogelberg and Harry Chapin! Bleah! Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 11 16:23:30 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:23:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: > "Doom Generation" is probably the worst film ever. IMHO, that is. > I thought that was "Bad Channels"? :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 11 16:24:56 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:24:56 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: > Q2: What would be a cool Career of Christmas II cover be? and any ideas > for cool names instead of saying CoCII? Jerry's post headed "Needle Moose" gives me an idea... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 11 16:32:49 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:32:49 -0500 Subject: Bad Channels was on last night Message-ID: Oh Yeah Bad Channels was broadcast last night. Got home late from a PTA meeting and only caught tidbits. No prob though as they re-broadcasted it at 1am and I stuck a tape in the VCR. Seems like one of the worse movies ever made, I gave it .25 of a spoon for plot/dialog, .25 of a spoon for cimentography and 4 spoons for casting. Some lovely ladies in those bottles. No offense ladies of the list. PS: Apologies for the Tick script appearing at the end of one of my posts yesterday. No idea it was on the clipboard. L8er lil ab "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Sep 11 17:53:29 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:53:29 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: Jason said: > Q: what other interesting songs in the list's eclectic canon seem Surgeonish? > A: Maybe Radar Love by golden earing. [...] Right vocals, right drummer, and it would rock live. > 21st Century Schizoid Man would be an interesting excursion in how the beat > would change under Al's funkified drummery. Bonomo's Turkish Taffy by SFG > also sounds very Surgeonable (that and Gil Blanco County). They could do a really fun take of 21st CSM. How about C.C. Rider? > Q2: What would be a cool Career of Christmas II cover be? and any ideas > for cool names instead of saying CoCII? > A: Christmas of the Salmon Salt w/ Charlie Tuna in Cult worshiping garb > from FoUO or ETL holding a copy of BoH or a Cellsum symbol glowing > mysteriously:) Now, nobody said there would be more BOC covers on this tape. How about the Deb/Medusa with a stocking-hat on? Or a plastic sword with a stocking hanging off it ("A Christmas Sword") :P This makes me thing of Spinal Tap's "Christmas With the Devil". "The sugar plumbs are rancid and the stockings are in flames...There's someone up the chimney-hole, and Satan is his name." Whatever, Brian --------------------------------------------------- Brian Halligan Copywriter Intern Buck & Pulleyn brianh at pulleyn.com "It was only a practice brain. I did pretty well with it." -Mike Black --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3359 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Sep 11 17:11:52 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:11:52 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: >Q2: What would be a cool Career of Christmas II cover be? and any ideas >for cool names instead of saying CoCII? >A: Christmas of the Salmon Salt w/ Charlie Tuna in Cult worshiping garb >from FoUO or ETL holding a copy of BoH or a Cellsum symbol glowing >mysteriously:) I think this year's theme should include a Moose. You know, like St. Cecilia, the patron Moose...? British Tribal Moose... ick okay. scratch that. .... I hope Albert didn't strain himself trying to match the drumming of Danny Thomspon on Needle Gun... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 11 19:26:41 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:26:41 PDT Subject: 4th world music explains all.... Message-ID: please forward this message to the hawkwind ppl waiting on stuff the main problem is that the guy who was selling the stuff no longer works with me, i only let him use our email facilities for selling the stuff, since the orders and money came through i havent seen much of him, its not a case of dishonesty, he is starting a new job and is moving flat so i havent seen him for over a month, but be assured that i am doing all within my powers to chase him up and get the rest of the stuff off, i am very busy at the moment as well, i've been in london and manchester over the past 2 weeks, so it is inconvinience to me as well,but i will do my best to get it sorted out most of the records are in the old office, and i have had to sort out everyones orders and send what i can off myself [paying postage costs out of my own pocket],i had to refund jill strobridge out of my own pocket as well; as far as i can work out the ppl waiting on stuff are mike coleman mikes complete order is boxed up, but i am waiting on postage money from my ex-partner micci at sci.fi his order is boxed up and ready to go - same situation as above bernard popspeich i have the tour programme here, but am waiting on the posters from my ex-partner and postage money dave cohen same as above, waiting on poster from my partner and postage money john ???? inner city unit lp - still waiting on this from my ex-partner i will chase him up ov er the week for the missing items and postage money., if i don;t get the cash i'll try and send everything out myself. leave it in my hands, i am as upset about this as all of you are cheers sm at mfr ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Sep 11 20:11:40 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:11:40 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: >I think this year's theme should include a Moose. > >You know, like >St. Cecilia, the patron Moose...? British Tribal Moose... ick >okay. scratch that. Wise idea. We wouldn't want bloodshed over something as silly as a title now, would we?:) Jason From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Sep 11 20:25:18 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:18 -0700 Subject: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: Chuck: >It seems that the punk attitude has once again become popular--little or no >solos. They are thought to be self-indulgent, I think, and not sincere. So they say. But this is hardly a *new* phenomena -this has been the way of playing rockmusic since Nirvana's big break-through in -91. I meant that it was _relatively recent_. I consider '91 to be relatively recent. I think it's good that the bands dare to question what is a essential a part of the music and what that is not. Same here. That wasn't my point at all. It's just that idealistic extremist punk bands seem to think anything other than a 2-second lead, ANYWHERE in the song, is sacrilege. If they don't like convention, why are they restricting themselves by refusing to play leads? I don't care if they do or they don't. I like some punk/HC. But, you know, there are all kinds of ways of being close-minded and musically restricted, and sometimes those ways are cloaked with the appearance of being just the opposite... And honestly, do any of you miss the exposure of guitarrists like Yngwie Malmsteen..? I don't see why you had to bring up the wankers. I just like some lead guitar, Zappa, Huy, Buck, even Brocky pulls off a nice simple little lead now and then. But all this is yesterdays news in Europe (at least in Sweden),alternative/grunge/whatever is only a big thing in the US right now and I think it's hard to say what will be the next trend. Industrial Metal in the shape it has right now will probably not grow so much bigger, but it's not impossible that it turns to some kind of a techno-industrial metal hybrid later on. With or without solos. ;-) > I >don't know why. I think solos (leads) can be just as moving for the >listener as for the musician. Agree. But not _always_. Right. That's why I wrote "can be". I usually don't care for "solos" (as in only the guitar), anyway, but leads that are in tune with a song...or maybe not in tune...whatever... -Daniel Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Sep 11 21:02:13 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:02:13 -0700 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: Well, I'm sure I haven't seen them all yet, including the comps/unofficials. Many are just plain, like Early Daze/Church, but for cheesiness, The Collection comes to mind. The one with the keyboard, the guit, etc. No one's mentioned _Hawkwind_ yet. What's with the aligator/human mutant things? I like the Psychedelic Warlords and Lord of Light covers. Most uncharactistic of the officials (and I am remembering that this is "Hawklords"): 25 years On. Charlie From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Sep 11 23:04:36 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:04:36 +1000 Subject: Bad Channels was on last night Message-ID: At 03:32 PM 11/09/97 -0500, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >Oh Yeah Bad Channels was broadcast last night. Got home late from a PTA >meeting and only caught tidbits. No prob though as they re-broadcasted >it at 1am and I stuck a tape in the VCR. Seems like one of the worse >movies ever made, I gave it .25 of a spoon for plot/dialog, .25 of a >spoon for cimentography and 4 spoons for casting. Some lovely ladies in >those bottles. No offense ladies of the list. Oh well, I actually LIKED Bad Channels, 'cos it was so silly! Troy > >PS: Apologies for the Tick script appearing at the end of one of my >posts yesterday. No idea it was on the clipboard. > >L8er >lil ab > >"Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the >cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell >the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Sep 11 22:59:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:59:33 +0800 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > Well, I'm sure I haven't seen them all yet, including the > comps/unofficials. Many are just plain, like Early Daze/Church, but for > cheesiness, The Collection comes to mind. The one with the keyboard, the > guit, etc. > If you mean Church of Hawkwind, it's an official album! William From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 11 23:21:51 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:21:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: >> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Christian Mumford >> wrote: >> >(seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking >about >> >actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) Um, ok... on the off-chance that Leary was right, I guess I'll have to pay attention to what I'm listening to on June 27th... [on the other hand, I'll probably give her the choice in music - her favorite is Neil Diamond. Eep! It's worth it, though. :-) ] Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 11 23:31:08 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:31:08 -0500 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:31:23 -0400 John A Swartz wrote: >I really like tBS covers myself. But then again, I've never yet >bought or not bought an album based on the cover. No wait, I take >that back. Off the top of my head, I can think of one album that I would have bought were it not for the cover art: _Blind_Faith_. On the other hand, I may just buy the album and put electrical tape over the front art. The music is just too awesome to pass up anymore. Damon From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Sep 11 23:21:19 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:21:19 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Ideal covers? (as in songs?) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-11 15:59:41 EDT, you write: << that and Gil Blanco County >> Don't forget, Albert already did his updated version of Gil Blanco County for Imaginos (and a terrific version it is!). Not that I'd mind him doing yet another version for the Brain Surgeons. The thing is, it's an Allen Lanier song, so we probably won't see it. SET From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Sep 11 22:29:16 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:29:16 +1000 Subject: HW: Rough Guide Message-ID: Hi all, The "Rough Guide" to rock has been updated ... http://www.roughguides.com/rock/entries/HAWKWIND.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Sep 12 07:19:48 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:19:48 -0000 Subject: Is Guitar Rock Dead? Message-ID: >Industrial Metal in the shape it has right now will probably not grow so >much bigger, but it's not impossible that it turns to some kind of a >techno-industrial metal hybrid later on. >With or without solos. ;-) Isn' David Bowie's most recent work an example of this? He's got Reeves Gabrels (sp?) on guitar and a very very techno sounding beat....I heard Bowie do an excellent "Scary Monsters" at 3:30 or so in morning when in England-part of the Phoenix Festival if memory serves me correctly. rock still can lay waste to the ears and minds of youth today, even w/ techno in it. broken barricade, Jason From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Sep 12 08:18:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:08 -0700 Subject: Brain Covers for X-mas/ Album Covers and P Funk Message-ID: >But there's a closer connection. Yet *another* of Bill Laswell's >projects, Material, do a cover of "Cosmic Slop" on their _The Third >Power_ album. >Cheers, >Paul This (Cosmic Slop) would make an interesting cover for tBS X-mas Cassette. My funky recommendations: Psychotic Companion - Galactic Cowboys Strawberry Letter 23 - Brothers Johnson version of the Beatles tune Jungle Boogie - Kool and the Gang Victoria - Saigon Kick (Oh this one would be heaven) The Butt - Experieince Unlimted (local guys I went to school with, they played this in the Spike Lee movie School Daze, has that uniqe DC flava) >I don't know about monster solos in terms of length so much, but it strikes me that Warren Haynes of Govt. Mule plays monster solos in terms of impact at least, which is a pretty mean feat considering Govt. Mule ordinarily plays with the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids, so to top that takes some doing... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ (what a coincidence Warren is old school, excellent choice in your player, that sucker smokes. >Wasn't Bootsy Colling s member of Praxis? >Rob V. Bootsy is still out there? Damn hadn't seen him since he was tooembarrased to pick up a bass guitar. Did a show at US Air Arena (late 70's early 80's) Mother's Finest opened the show. Bass player was absolutely incredible. Bootsy tip his hat to the guy and said after that performance he wasn't palying bass that night, just did vocals. John S.>But then again, I've never yet bought or not bought an album based on the cover. Gee when I was a kid and bought music simply because I had the money album covers were the way to go if you didn't know the band. Found Starcastle, Marino, Nova, Brand X and a bunch of others that way. Wonder how people bought there music before the internet? >Oh well, I actually LIKED Bad Channels, 'cos it was so silly! >Troy Of clear mind it was nowhere. In an altered state I might have enjoyed it thoroughly. Some movies are better in an altered state. lil ab "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick Frooging to - Child of the Novelty, Frank Marino & MR From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 12 08:31:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:31:08 EDT Subject: off: Warren Haynes Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > >I don't know about monster solos in terms of length so much, but it > strikes me that Warren Haynes of Govt. Mule plays monster solos in terms > of impact at least, which is a pretty mean feat considering Govt. Mule > ordinarily plays with the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids, so to > top that takes some doing... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ (what a coincidence > > Warren is old school, excellent choice in your player, that sucker > smokes. > Nice dude too. Met him after a solo show up here a couple years back. Took the time to meet the crowd after the show, sign autographs, shoot the bull etc. Class act. Wish him all the best... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega obCD: Genius of America/the Tubes From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Fri Sep 12 08:31:38 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:31:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Humour Message-ID: I just had to post this, apologies that it is way off but it made me laugh & it is Friday after all. Mike P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COWS & GOVERNMENT FEUDALISM : You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. PURE SOCIALISM : You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need. BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM : You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need. FASCISM : You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. PURE COMMUNISM : You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk. RUSSIAN COMMUNISM : You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. DICTATORSHIP : You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you. SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY : You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment. MILITARISM : You have two cows. The government takes both of them and drafts you. PURE DEMOCRACY : You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY : You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY : The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate". BRITISH DEMOCRACY : You have two cows. You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything. BUREAUCRACY : You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it asks you to fill out forms to account for the missing cow. ANARCHY : You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows. CAPITALISM : You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. HONG KONG CAPITALISM : You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shui is bad. ENVIRONMENTALISM : You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them. TOTALITARIANISM : You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS : You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallocentric, war-mongering, intolerant past) two differently-aged (but no less valuable tosociety) bovines of non-specified gender. COUNTER CULTURE : Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man. You got to have some of this milk. SURREALISM : You have two giraffes. The government forces you to take harmonica lessons. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Sep 12 08:54:30 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:54:30 -0400 Subject: HW: MotU comic appearance? Message-ID: Not sure if it's exactly, but in the lastest issue of Lobo, (don't know the issue # offhand but it's their tie-in to "genesis" DC's typical hyped crossover event and has a picture of Lobo surfing in space on the cover) there is a scene on page 9 where he appears to be singing "Master of the Universe". He sings "I am the master of the universe" and then some other lines which are altered more to fit his character, but they are singable to MotU... Someone then accuses him of playing "country crap", whereupon Lobo smashes the guitar over this person's head. No further mention of this is made. The theme of this Genesis crossover would seem to fit nicely with MotU. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Sep 12 10:06:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Age and taste In-Reply-To: <199709120321.WAA21986@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: >Um, ok... on the off-chance that Leary was right, I guess I'll have to >pay attention to what I'm listening to on June 27th... [on the other >hand, I'll probably give her the choice in music - her favorite is Neil >Diamond. Eep! It's worth it, though. :-) ] > >Damon You are getting married that day/day before, if I remember correctly? Well, I guess you should start looking for that DIAMOND-L mailing list, and get rid of all that crap HW/BOC/progspacerockmetalpsychambient-stuff! right away! (actually, thinking of this bit about sex/music, I had one particularly wild experience involving the Electric Teepee CD, mescaline, and..uh... someone else and just when the song Snake Dance came on things just... oh shit, I shouldn't be posting any more details...) severely imprinted, Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Sep 12 10:25:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:25:19 +0000 Subject: Ugly covers! In-Reply-To: <19970912010054868.AAA491@herbrose> Message-ID: For those unfortunately stupid/crazy to buy this, the absolutely cheapest, sleaziest piece of crap cover "design" (I use the word quite liberally) has to be the "Hawkwind - The Best Of" CD (MATCD293). Granted, it's a super cheapo sleeze things from our friendly Castle Communications' compilation dept. (people take note: their designer for most of the cheezy comps is one mr. Brian Burrows - send this guy hate mail c/o Castle). Anyway, the cover art (they use the same generic design for all comps in the series, including such essentials as "Golden Piano Hits - Norrie Paramor & His Orchestra", "Spanish Eyes: Strings Go Latin" and "Wembley Military Tattoo") has some pics from the booklet of the IITBOTFTBD, and despite every single song on the CD is live, it sports the claim "ORIGINAL RECORDINGS" in big bold letters, with the exception of Silver Machine for some reason. All the stuff here is from the Anthology material, and the only good thing about this is that the sound is far, far better! Sounds remastered, which strangely is a very good reason to pick it up! Very strange - they bother to remaster it but mr. Burrows bangs out a cover design during his lunchbreak. Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 12 09:38:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:38:27 EDT Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > (actually, thinking of this bit about sex/music, I had one particularly wild > experience involving the Electric Teepee CD, mescaline, and..uh... someone > else and just when the song Snake Dance came on things just... oh shit, I > shouldn't be posting any more details...) > > severely imprinted, > Christian Was this the same day you nuked the sand crab? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 12 09:53:29 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:53:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: cows Message-ID: The Brit addendum: THE EU: The government nationalises both cows and puts them in with everyone else's cows. The cow industry goes bankrupt after French milkmaids figure out how to set fire to milk. The government takes your money to finance the new cowshit industry. It takes more money to support the price of cowshit in the marketplace. It takes more of your money to store price supported cowshit in huge barns in France. At Christmas the government sends everyone some cowshit for free. OLD LABOUR: The government nationalises your cows and gives them to the unions. The unions organise a strike by milkmaids and the cow industry goes bankrupt. The government takes your money and gives it to the unions to make shoes out of the cows. The country is knee deep in left shoes and the price of right shoes goes through the roof. The government bans the import of right shoes in order to punish currency speculators. Industry collapses as everyone tries to hop to work. The government takes more of your funds to sponsor the National Health Service through the ankle sprain epidemic. The nurses go on strike. The government collapses. NEW LABOUR: The government sets up a scheme to let you swap a cow for a bull. You have your bull service your cow and a single mother reports your bull to the CSA. The government takes your money and gives it to a single mother. The resulting calf has BSE. The government sets fire to your cow and tries to sell the calf to the Germans. The government sets up an education scheme for mad cows and your bull has to be in by 7pm doing homework. National bullshit production rockets. THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS: They take one of your cows and try to sell it to the New Labour Party. They demand a Royal Commission on whether cows should eat grass. THE GREEN PARTY: They canvass your cows and then disappear mysteriously. Both your cows die when a tunnel collapses under them revealing where the Greens went. THE CONSERVATIVES: They buy your cows with taxpayers money and give you cow shares which you promptly sell at an inflated profit. They feed your cows hamburgers. Your cows climb trees believing they're squirrels. The government takes your money and gives it to farmers. An epidemic of people being flattened by falling squirrels is discovered by scientists. Farmers give the government money in brown paper envelopes to tell Parliament that the British Squirrel is Safe. From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Sep 12 10:03:00 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:03:00 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <19970911232641.10320.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: To All Listmembers, I have been recently getting email about various UK gigs reporting to have been cancelled. After speaking with DS yesterday to find out the latest news, he told me that tickets for the tour are selling so badly that promoters are refusing to sign contracts which guarentees the band's wages for the night. So far there has been 800 tickets sold for the entire tour!!! The gig in Milton Keynes has been cancelled because only 15 tickets were sold! I'm sending out this messages asking everyone to spread the word about the tour, and to urge anyone thinking of attending a gig not to wait until the night to get their tickets; if more venues do not get enough advanced ticket sales, they will cancell. Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can anyone enlighten me? Personally, I don't understand what's going on, and neither can the band. It must be a real downer for them to hear this news. It wasn't so long ago when you had to get up to Hammersmith double quick in order to get tickets to see them. The latest tour dates are listed on the 1997 Tour Dates page: www.hawkwind.com/1997tourdates.htm Feel free to offer any insight or thoughts of this bizarre situation. Thanks, Star Rats From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Sep 12 09:18:22 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:18:22 +1000 Subject: OFF: Age and taste Message-ID: On 11 Sep 97 at 14:43, M Holmes wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:32 +0000 Christian Mumford > > wrote: > > > >(seriously, I think Leary is a little off here even if one is talking about > > >actual orgasm *with* another person years later :-) > > Were that the case, I'd be listening to Abba and Doctor Hook. > > Yeah, yeah. I was young. Hormones were raging, and what girls listened to > wasn't uppermost in my mind. Sue me. Eek! I'd be listening to Duran Duran and Orange Juice .... > Besides, it was onlly a few months later that I was to discover > Hawkwind. I'm ashamed to admit I'd discovered HW about 3 years earlier ... > FoFP Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Sep 12 09:18:22 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:18:22 +1000 Subject: Ugly covers! Message-ID: On 11 Sep 97 at 12:31, John A Swartz wrote: > I really like tBS covers myself. But then again, I've never yet bought or > not bought an album based on the cover. No wait, I take that back. I > actually haven't bought Metallica's *Load* at this point because of the > cover (although many Metallica fans might say that the music contained > within is reason enough) -- to me, art is not some guy jerking off, mixing > it with pig's blood, and throwing it on a sheet of paper. Good album covers (or perhaps just different ... as lonh as it catches the eye) are IMO very important. I spent many a day (as I approached the all important 24 yr cut off age for musical taste configuration) browsing through import record stores here in Oz. Many artists which I subsequently got into were as a result of the cover art. A classic example is the artwork used on Eloy albums - I saw "Ocean" and had to have it regardless of the content. I now have all (bar 1) Eloy albums ... Then again I've bought some utter crap using the same techniques ;^) Obvioulsy I usually listened to the albums as well before spending the cash, but the point is that with very poor support for non-charting music in Australia in the late 70's and 80's, I doubt I'd enjoy my record collection anywhere near as much as I do! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 12 10:50:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:50:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Star Rats' mail of Fri, 12 Sep 97 09:03 -0500 Message-ID: On 12 Sep 15:03, Star Rats wrote: > So far there has been 800 tickets sold for the entire tour!!! > > Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > anyone enlighten me? I can't -- I know about the tour from the list. I've told my friends, but no more. Has DS placed a tour advert in the music press (NME, Sounds, Mojo, etc.)? How about mailing the music newsgroups? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 12 10:57:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:57:11 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: > Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > anyone enlighten me? Well, I only know about the London show through the list and the web-page. Time Out's "forthcoming gigs" don't list it, and there haven't been any ads to my knowledge. There was a poster outside the venue, but I've not seen any others. BTW, yes, I do have my ticket already! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Fri Sep 12 11:22:56 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:22:56 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: OK, So I haven't been paying much attention to the list recently and I am sure that this info has been posted many times. Where do the dates/venues appear? Mike P ---------- From: Dave Berry[SMTP:daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK] Sent: 12 September 1997 15:50 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble On 12 Sep 15:03, Star Rats wrote: > So far there has been 800 tickets sold for the entire tour!!! > > Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > anyone enlighten me? I can't -- I know about the tour from the list. I've told my friends, but no more. Has DS placed a tour advert in the music press (NME, Sounds, Mojo, etc.)? How about mailing the music newsgroups? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 12 11:56:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:56:39 EDT Subject: Hawkwind web site Message-ID: I just visited the HW site. They mentioned the release of an EP this month. BOC-Lers who have caught recent gigs mentioned new material. Is there a new HW in addition to the EP? When will they both come out? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 12 12:37:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:37:20 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970912090300.00690164@mail.io.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970912090300.00690164 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats writes > >Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can >anyone enlighten me? > Well, as far as I can see, it's fucking not, is it? But then I only read the NME, Q, Mojo and Record Collector and a few others. It's probably in Melody Maker, Select and Vox. *MY ARSE*. What shit is this? I know more people into the Hawks now than at any time in the last 17 years. If this tour is fucked it's *someone's fault*, this is not death by natural causes. 1997 - What the fuck is going on? -- Jon Browne From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Sep 12 14:17:22 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:17:22 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970912090300.00690164@mail.io.com> Message-ID: On 12-Sep-97, Star Rats wrote: > I have been recently getting email about various UK >gigs reporting to >have been cancelled. After speaking with DS yesterday to find out the >latest news, he told me that tickets for the tour are selling so badly that >promoters are refusing to sign contracts which guarentees the band's wages >for the night. >So far there has been 800 tickets sold for the entire tour!!! Jeez, that's bad. >I'm sending out this messages asking everyone to spread the word about the >tour, and to urge anyone thinking of attending a gig not to wait until the >night to get their tickets; if more venues do not get enough advanced >ticket sales, they will cancell. I always thought it was well known that HW have a large walk up crowd. I suppose in today's musical climate, promotors would be getting cold feet. Also, the dates were announced a long way in advance. Perhaps people decided to wait till closer to the shows but have now forgotten about it due to lack of advertising. . >Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can >anyone enlighten me? Now we get to it. I check most music mags regularly and I can't recall seeing ANY advertising at all. The only thing I've seen is in a local alternative leaflet which list the gigs in their gig listing and last month had a quarter page add for the ep which included the dates. unfortunatly as it's a photocopied thing, the add hardly stands out and if I remember, it isn't that easy to read. >Personally, I don't understand what's going on, and neither can the band. >It must be a real downer for them to hear this news. It wasn't so long ago >when you had to get up to Hammersmith double quick in order to get tickets >to see them. I certainly remember that. >The latest tour dates are listed on the 1997 Tour Dates page: I haven't got tickets yet. The reason is simple. I intend to go with several friends, all of which are big Cardiacs fans but near HW-virgins. Now, as Cardiacs are supposed to be playing some dates on this tour, we want to go to the shows that both bands are playing and so far I have seen no information on which shows these will be (except MK which wouldn't be my first choice and anyway, you say it's now cancelled). Does anybosy have any info on which shows Cardiacs are playing on this tour? I think the simple answer is - Advertise the tour and people will buy tickets, don't advertise it and they won't know about it. You have to put a bit of money in to get more out. Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 12 13:54:19 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:54:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Star Rats's message of Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: Star Rats writes: > To All Listmembers, > I have been recently getting email about various UK gigs reporting to > have been cancelled. After speaking with DS yesterday to find out the > latest news, he told me that tickets for the tour are selling so badly that > promoters are refusing to sign contracts which guarentees the band's wages > for the night. > > So far there has been 800 tickets sold for the entire tour!!! > > The gig in Milton Keynes has been cancelled because only 15 tickets were sold! That's pity - I was sorta making holiday plans so I could go to that one. Have promotors become more rigid about this kind of thing then? It's always seemed to me that very few people buy tickets in advance unless they are either travelling some distance or it's a very small venue and there's real concern the tickets will run out. I've never had a problem getting tickets at the door and I rather assume that this is how most folk do things. Tho' now I come to think of it I used to buy tickets in advance when it was all seating accommodation to make sure you got right at the front in a balcony seat or close to the center aisle downstairs. But it's been long and long since venues last had seats and when everyone is standing there's no need to book ahead. Certainly when Midge Ure was playing in Edinburgh recently I only got tickets a week or so ahead of the gig and got ticket no.7. But there were hundreds there on the night. I honestly think nobody buys tickets in advance any more - but I could be wrong - I've certainly bought a whole stack of Hawkwind tix for friends in Edinburgh, mainly because we weren't sure about the size of the venue and we'll buy in advance for Glasgow probably - but only, again, because the venue is not known to be a large one and we'll be travelling across specially. > I'm sending out this messages asking everyone to spread the word about the > tour, and to urge anyone thinking of attending a gig not to wait until the > night to get their tickets; if more venues do not get enough advanced > ticket sales, they will cancell. > > Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > anyone enlighten me? There's a poster outside the Liquid Rooms but it's not a particularly dynamic or interesting one - just HAWKWIND in capital letters. The only other place I've seen info is on this list and in Brian Tawn's last Hawkfan update. Things like the Guardian Gig Guide and Teletext probably only advertise stuff the same week the gigs are happening and Edinburgh's LIST will only announce things a week or so ahead. But then I haven't really seen advertising for any other bands either so Hawkwind may not be exceptional in this situation. I don't really know I guess - can anyone say how Hawkwind's current profile compares with other bands touring this autumn? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 12 13:58:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:58:56 EDT Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: From: Si > I think the simple answer is - Advertise the tour and people will buy tickets, > don't advertise it and they won't know about it. You have to put a bit of > money in to get more out. > > Si > For good reason is this the BOC/HW list! I've heard about BOC gigs AFTER they've happened, gigs that were less than 100 miles from home. Absolutely no mentio of the gigs. And I live in a city with a major university in it. Absolutely no excuse! Last january's Binghamton gig [only 70 miles away] was never mentioned locally. tBS had a similar fate: 2 gigs here in one weekend, and a brief mention of one gig in the 'alternative' weekly. And the university here draws a lot of kids from the NY metro area--certainly BOC or tBS fans a possibility... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 12 12:41:03 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:41:03 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <01BCBF98.21C00DA0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCBF98.21C00DA0 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >I can't -- I know about the tour from the list. I've told my friends, >but no more. > >Has DS placed a tour advert in the music press (NME, Sounds, Mojo, etc.)? >How about mailing the music newsgroups? > >Dave. Sounds ceased publishing years ago, Dave. -- Jon Browne From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Fri Sep 12 15:35:06 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:35:06 -0700 Subject: Off: London info Message-ID: Hope someone can help me out with this! I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? Thanks! scorch From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Fri Sep 12 17:51:59 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:51:59 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Reply to message from jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK of Fri, 12 Sep > >In article <3.0.1.32.19970912090300.00690164 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats > writes >> >>Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can >>anyone enlighten me? >> > >Well, as far as I can see, it's fucking not, is it? > If there is any advertisements of any sort, I'd be surprised. There was NO advertising for the US tour besides the net and us hawkfans getting out there and posting flyers, etc. It seems silly for the promoters to spend almost nothing getting the word out, and expecting people to know about the shows. Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Sep 12 15:48:01 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:48:01 CDT Subject: London info Message-ID: In fact, how about some general contact info for the FB: address/phone? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 2:44 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Off: London info Hope someone can help me out with this! I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? Thanks! scorch From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Sep 12 21:27:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:27:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Amorphis (and other recent acquisitions) In-Reply-To: <199709121935.MAA01610@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> Message-ID: I just picked up a CD by the Finnish band Amorphis titled "My Kantele". It is a mini album (about 25 mins) of 5 GREAT tracks... one of them being a cover of Hawkwind's "Levitation"! I'm not kidding when I say it nearly, if not actually, outdoes the original!! I'd seen it advertised in the psych issue of Mojo awhile back and suddenly found it by chance. It's great stuff, and any Hawkwind/space/psych or even straight hardrock fans would like it. Hard to describe... maybe Amon Duul II ca. "Wolf City" meets Levitation-era Hawkwind. Lots of that wonderful whoooooooooshy sound (and some nice raygun blasts to boot), but fairly conventional song structures. Definetly file under "spacerock". There is also a cover of "And I Hear You Call" by Kingston Wall, a Swedish (?) band I have seen mentioned on this list. I will definetly seek the Amorphis album "Elegy" out. Also, oddly enough winning a Julian Cope radio contest, I got a buncha crap CDS's the DJ needed an excuse/got paid to get rid of :) One of them was an Eat Static remix thing which I thought was very cool after a few listens (not being your average raver whatever type person :). Isn't Eat Static an Ozrics spinoff? Also got a great Olivia Tremor Control EP and a worthwile Soundgarden (RIP) CDS. Strangely enough an editor I have done work for played piano on a (Norwegian) EP by the band The Tables (quirky cool 60s-esque pop). The rest: off to the second hand shops to trade off! ...and on the subject of Cope: got his new "Interpreter" CD - excellent/far out/groovy/righteous etc. etc. It's got a great send-up (?) of spacerock called "s.p.a.c.e.r.o.c.k. With Me"... Judging by the back cover, I think Mr. Cope better lay off the hallucinogenics awhile, before he thinks he's the Messiah or something. Not stopping there, browsing the bargain bins, I picked up a GREAT Cardiacs comp (thanks Jon B.!!! Ya turned me on :-) and a Third Ear Band radio session CD. Now the strange bit here is that one of those cheap "Champions of Rock" comps there hade the ROBERT CALVERT song THE WIDOW MAKER!!!!! It was even listed on the front cover - sandwiched between Accept and Scorpions of course. Where else? Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 12 19:39:30 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:39:30 +0100 Subject: Off: London info In-Reply-To: John McCartney's message of Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: John McCartney writes: > Hope someone can help me out with this! > > I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, > as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd > like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? Well given my notorious ability (viz. last Hawkwind London gig) to have nothing but seriously out of date reference books in my house the following info should be treated with a certain amount of caution.... Forbidden Planet - 71 New Oxford Street, WC1 Tel: 0171 836 4170 or 0171 379 6042. Nearest tube: Tottenham Court Road. Open Mon-Wed & Sat from 10.00am - 6.00pm and Thurs,Fri from 10.00am - 7.00pm If you wanted another contact to check this then you could try the Edinburgh branch: Forbidden Planet: 2-3 Teviot Place, Edinburgh EH1 Tel: 0131 225 8613 tho' given that it's an Edinburgh holiday on Monday (no - not in celebration of the Referendum vote but we could always pretend it was) the shop may be closed then. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 12 20:00:21 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:00:21 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:51:59 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Reply to message from jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK of Fri, 12 Sep > > > >In article <3.0.1.32.19970912090300.00690164 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats > > writes > >> > >>Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > >>anyone enlighten me? > >> > > > >Well, as far as I can see, it's fucking not, is it? > > > If there is any advertisements of any sort, I'd be surprised. > There was NO advertising for the US tour besides the net > and us hawkfans getting out there and posting > flyers, etc. > It seems silly for the promoters to spend almost nothing > getting the word out, and expecting people to know about the > shows. I've just been reading the latest "Transmission" which is a Porcupine Tree info sheet published by Delerium Records (the management team behind PT). It includes a phone number for folk to ring if they are willing to offer to distribute gig flyers around local record shops to announce the forthcoming PT tour. This seems like a good idea - leastways I'll probably offer! I think the newsletter itself has been posted to everyone who has ever bought a PT album from Delerium - which is an excellent way of keeping in touch with your audience base! Just a thought jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 12 22:10:39 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:10:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... Message-ID: Yo' cats.... Just checked out CDNOW (www.cdnow.com) and they still have three of the EMI remasters listed (sorry, no HotMG or Doremi) and both CYM and SA still listed. Get 'em now.... (Weird, they list a std. and a ltd. ed. of CYM and SA; was there such a thing?) obTV: Dexter's Lab Craig Craigs at pyramid.com From ToneDef2 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 13 00:49:47 1997 From: ToneDef2 at AOL.COM (ToneDef2 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:49:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Humour Message-ID: No apologies needed, Mike. That was the funniest post i've read _anywhere_ in a long time. Thanks! Matt From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Sep 13 03:54:56 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:54:56 -0600 Subject: Test Message-ID: testing-testing-I've recieved no mail from the list in about 2 days-anyone out there??? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Various UK folks have quite rightly pointed out that there has benn NO advertising of the tour. Another reason I can think of is that students have not returned to their uni's / colleges yet, & "in my day" students used to flock to see HW (this was late 80s/early 90s). Give the tour a) at least _some_ advertising b) a lil' more time to start selling. Neil. ObCD : Nick Drake, Five Leaves Left From micci at SCI.FI Sat Sep 13 06:18:46 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:18:46 +0300 Subject: HW: Amorphis (and other recent acquisitions) Message-ID: > >There is also a cover of "And I Hear You Call" by Kingston Wall, a Swedish (?) >band I have seen mentioned on this list. I will definetly seek the Amorphis >album >"Elegy" out. > Hi! Kingston Wall was Finnish band also. Elegy is great album, there is also 10" call Black Winter Day where is cover Light My Fire! very good cover I think ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// Miikka Wagner \/\/ Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Sep 13 08:17:56 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:17:56 +0200 Subject: HW: Tourdates! Message-ID: Hi there! In reply to Star_rats: Are we watching the decline of british spacerock or is it simply bad organization behind the group? And what about the European dates, are they also in jeopardy? The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the management? And what about all the records they?re planning to release this autumn, will they ever see the light of day? Let?s hope things work out as planned for the group! A confused fan from Sweden ps. Welcome to BOC-L Kenneth! Any gigs in Sweden this year? Still remember Hamburg and the great festival and the bratwurst. ds. Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Sep 13 05:02:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:02:53 +0100 Subject: Off: London info In-Reply-To: <199709121935.MAA01610@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> Message-ID: In article <199709121935.MAA01610 at vampire.Corp.Sun.COM>, John McCartney writes >Hope someone can help me out with this! > >I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, >as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd >like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? > >Thanks! > >scorch Give me a ring at THEY WALK AMONG US - (London Comic Shop) 0181-948-8476 We're not *quite* as big as FP but we *do* give a 10% discount to BOC- l'ers -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Sep 13 07:20:57 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:20:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <199709122151.RAA22656@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: In article <199709122151.RAA22656 at piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Duane Hoyt writes >It seems silly for the promoters to spend almost nothing >getting the word out, and expecting people to know about the >shows. > >Duane The irony is, at least for me, Cardiacs are not a band without a following themselves, and regularly fill venues like The Astoria in London. OK, it's been a couple of years since they would pull 3,000 to the Town And Country, but any London Cardiacs gig will pull 400-500 people. This really is a screw-up, not just public indifference. So, then, who is responsible for overseeing and co-ordinating promotion? -- Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Sep 13 12:35:33 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:35:33 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <341A8473.66B1D76E@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: At 14:17 13.09.97 +0200, Henrik wrote: >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the >management? Thats the main question!!!!! The management is 100% responsible for the whole organisation. Thats a fact! And if there are no advertisments in newspapars, magazines or local radio stations, then I must say that the management failed Or do you folks out there know another reason for all this shit that happens these days with our favorite band???? 1st the endless delay of the LOVE in SPACE single 2nd the delay with the LIVE74 CD 3rd the "phantastic" advertisements for the forthcomming tour Is the group management going mad or is it me?????????? Dave Brock, please wake up and do what must be done!!!!!! Bernhard From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Sep 13 13:04:40 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:04:40 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > At 14:17 13.09.97 +0200, Henrik wrote: > > >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the > >management? > > Thats the main question!!!!! > The management is 100% responsible for the whole organisation. > Thats a fact! I can?t more than agree with you Bernhard! > And if there are no advertisments in newspapars, magazines or local radio > stations, then I must say that the management failed To true! > Or do you folks out there know another reason for all this shit that > happens these days with our favorite band???? > > 1st the endless delay of the LOVE in SPACE single > 2nd the delay with the LIVE74 CD > 3rd the "phantastic" advertisements for the forthcomming tour > > Is the group management going mad or is it me?????????? I?m sure Bernhard that you?re not the guy who?s mad! (not a sign of madness in June at least :-))))) ). > Dave Brock, please wake up and do what must be done!!!!!! > > Bernhard Cheers Henrik -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Sat Sep 13 13:40:00 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:40:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Can someone tell me how to desubscribe? Many thanks From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Sep 13 15:11:59 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:11:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: I really don't understand how such a problem could strike our heroes, but I saw the evidence myself on the 97 US tour. The previous US tour had an amazing turnout. They played Park West in Chicago and there must have been perhaps 2000-3000 people. Of course this gig was well advertised on the marquee outside the venue, and in the papers. This year at the Cubby Bear in Chicago there were maybe 300 people max. The marquee outside mentioned about fifty upcoming events, one of them hawkwind (meaning their name was up for about 2 seconds every few minutes). There was NO ADVERTISEMENT whatsoever for this show. In fact, the internet Chicago Shows List which is the most complete and reliable source for info about shows, didn't even list it until a few days beforehand. Cubby Bear's answering machine message about upcoming shows failed to mention it. Tickets were not available in advance through tickmaster. Who's the moron who made these awful arrangements? Besides which, Cubby Bear is a venue that sucks compared to the other places Hawkwind has played in Chicago. Let's have some promotion, some advertisement, advance ticket sales in the future, huh? It's pretty obvious that this tour was way under-promoted. I don't know who's in charge of this stuff--the notorious Doug Smith?--but things need to be brought back in order. While on Griffin, the 95 US tour was well promoted and well received and I honestly thought that Hawkwind was on the way up in terms of US popularity, but after this most recent tour, I could see the band being driven to the verge of bankruptcy. And yes, what's with the delays for the "Love in Space" EP and the "Live74" CD? I'm just venting... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 13 16:17:36 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:17:36 PDT Subject: off: strange daze pics...need e-mail addresses Message-ID: hello, i've begun the long process of e-mailing pics to anyone that appeared in them...from the fest...that is... i've got one with Doug Bates & Chuck Johnson and an unknown party. chuck & doug..e-mail me....i forget your emails...... well that's it...spank u very much...... bye bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From raider at PIPELINE.COM Sat Sep 13 17:55:40 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:55:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Joe Bouchard Interview Message-ID: Hey there guys. Hate to do this shameless self promotion, but I think you all won't mind. I got a chance to interview the Legendary Joe Bouchard about his new album and his days with BOC. You can check it out at my website. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html You can also check out my interview with his brother Al from about 9 months ago. seeya Brian P.S. I'll be at the BOC concert tomorrow at X-Hale. If ya see a young, tall, long haired hippie wearing BOC's Godzilla shirt, that's probably me. I hope to be able to go backstage. That would be quite the way to spend my 25th birthday. :) ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Sep 13 18:55:41 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:55:41 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <341AC7A8.4EA57AFD@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: >> >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the >> >management? >> >> Thats the main question!!!!! >> The management is 100% responsible for the whole organisation. >> Thats a fact! > >I can?t more than agree with you Bernhard! Now hang on right there. Promotion of a gig is the responsibility of the PROMOTER that has been hired BY THE BAND and in GOOD FAITH. If they are not standing up to their part of the bargin, the band will look elsewhere. This is what is happening now. >> And if there are no advertisments in newspapars, magazines or local radio >> stations, then I must say that the management failed This stuff is handled by the promoters of the venue who are trying to cut their overheads and make as much out of the band as possible. >> Or do you folks out there know another reason for all this shit that >> happens these days with our favorite band???? >> >> 1st the endless delay of the LOVE in SPACE single Err, wasn't there something about the video being screwed up I seem to remember? >> 2nd the delay with the LIVE74 CD Errm, isn't this release being handled by EMI? Stop blaming the management for things which are out of their hands. Star Rats From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Sep 14 05:08:07 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:08:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Tourdates! Message-ID: Hi Henrik, >Any gigs in Sweden this year? Just You wait and see ! >Still remember Hamburg and the great festival and the bratwurst. ds. Great event ! Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Sep 14 09:34:23 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:34:23 +1000 Subject: Test Message-ID: At 01:54 AM 13/09/97 -0600, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: >testing-testing-I've recieved no mail from the list in about 2 >days-anyone out there??? >Pam Well, Pam, I am. Troy > >-- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" >E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com >http://www.TransWestTaxi.com >******************************************* > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Sep 14 09:00:14 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:00:14 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Star Rats wrote: > >> >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the > >> >management? > >> > >> Thats the main question!!!!! > >> The management is 100% responsible for the whole organisation. > >> Thats a fact! > > > >I can?t more than agree with you Bernhard! > > Now hang on right there. Promotion of a gig is the responsibility of the > PROMOTER that has been hired BY THE BAND and in GOOD FAITH. If they are not > standing up to their part of the bargin, the band will look elsewhere. This > is what is happening now. Can?t they choose the right promoter from the start then? They have been in business for so long and still doing the same mistakes!!! > >> And if there are no advertisments in newspapars, magazines or local radio > >> stations, then I must say that the management failed > > This stuff is handled by the promoters of the venue who are trying to cut > their overheads and make as much out of the band as possible. Still up to the management I think! > >> Or do you folks out there know another reason for all this shit that > >> happens these days with our favorite band???? > >> > >> 1st the endless delay of the LOVE in SPACE single > > Err, wasn't there something about the video being screwed up I seem to > remember? Why choose this new technique and the risk of not selling enough? The masterplan is about getting a "hit-single", right? > >> 2nd the delay with the LIVE74 CD > > Errm, isn't this release being handled by EMI? Sure, but I do think that our favorites have some part in this project as well or...? > Stop blaming the management for things which are out of their hands. Why do the the band run in to trouble almost each and every year in one way or another?Is it just bad luck? I?m sure more people than me thinks the same since we wish the band all the luck in the world. If they also could make some money it?s even better. > Star Rats Greetings from Sweden Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Sep 14 09:01:46 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:01:46 +0200 Subject: HW: Tourdates! Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Hi Henrik, > > >Any gigs in Sweden this year? > > Just You wait and see ! Looking forward to hear about your plans :-))))). > > > > >Still remember Hamburg and the great festival and the bratwurst. ds. > > Great event ! Yes, it was indeed! Henrik > > > Kenneth > > Bishop Garden Records > Box 747 > 521 22 Falkoping > SWEDEN > Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 > bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > > The Moor > http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > > This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Sep 14 09:13:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:13:19 +1000 Subject: HW: Israeli "rarities" (?) Message-ID: Hi all, I friend of mine in Sydney just sent me a copy of a message she received from a guy in Israel ... someone may be interested in his first item? Sonique Hi Folks, Amanda (formerly of this list) passed this on to me if anyone is interested. Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >From: "assTheta =Rho Thetaa " >Subject: Rare Hawkwind stuff >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:19:00 +0200 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >Hi , > >I found your e-mail address on a Hawkwind web site.If you're not a >Hawkwind fan please delete this message and I'll never bother you again. >I have some Hawkwind records which were printed in Israel , all are very >hard to find these days : > >7" Silver machine (this is the original single with the unique & >different picture sleeve (B&W) and Hebrew title.I have a few mint >unplayed copies of this mega rare single , so this is a very rare chance >to get this one especially in this condition) M/M minimum bid $110 > >LP In search of space (rare) VG+/VG+ $45 >LP Doremi Fasol Latido (very rare) VG+/VG+ $60 > >Of course that you can offer a higher price for the LP's too.When you >make your offer please write your home address & phone number too.Auction >ends on 18.9.97 . If you're not interested but you have a friend who >might be interested , I'll be glad if you give him a copy of this >message. One more thing for the Australian fellows : I'm looking for the >following single which was released in Australia : > >7" Jericho , Hey man (Australia Parlophone A-9982) >Please let me know if you have it or you can find it (Jericho is a >Israeli rock group of the early 70's). I hope to hear from you soon.All >the best , Omer . > > -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Sep 14 09:34:56 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:34:56 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <341BDFDD.D878CFB1@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: At 15:00 14.09.97 +0200, you wrote: >Can?t they choose the right promoter from the start then? They have >been in business for so long and still doing the same mistakes!!! If I would do the same miskes for 20 years at work in my office I am sure that my company had fired me after my 3rd mistake >Why do the the band run in to trouble almost each and every year in one >way or another?Is it just bad luck? That's the question we'll never find an answer for. It's the sad truth >I?m sure more people than me thinks the same since we wish the band >all the luck in the world. If they also could make some money it?s even >better. Yes Henrik. I agree with you 100% Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Sep 14 09:38:33 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:38:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: the Manband Message-ID: Excellent gig by the old Welsh bastards last night! Deke looked to be in good shape, as did they all, except they had a (highly competent) stand-in drummer for Terry Williams, who was unwell. (Jones quipped: "What do they call it these days? Substance abuse?") Good to meet up with Chris W too! They're supposed to be playing a few more dates this year - Harrow, Sheffield and Southampton, I think they said - with a new album out early next year. Anyway, the most amazing bit was when Martin Ace put aside his bass and played a tuba during one song! Now I've really seen everything! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Sep 14 12:10:54 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:10:54 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > At 15:00 14.09.97 +0200, you wrote: > >Can?t they choose the right promoter from the start then? They have >been > in business for so long and still doing the same mistakes!!! > > If I would do the same miskes for 20 years at work in my office I am sure > that my company had fired me after my 3rd mistake The same goes for me and I know the swedish industry quite well by know! > > > >Why do the the band run in to trouble almost each and every year in one > >way or another?Is it just bad luck? > That's the question we'll never find an answer for. It's the sad truth Is it an ancient prophecy perhaps? > > > >I?m sure more people than me thinks the same since we wish the band >all > the luck in the world. If they also could make some money it?s even >better. > Yes Henrik. I agree with you 100% Good to hear, and I know people have the same thoughts! > Bernhard Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Sep 14 17:50:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:50:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Star Rats' mail of Sat, 13 Sep 97 17:55 -0500 Message-ID: > >> >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the > >> >management? The immediate question is what can be done to rescue the tour. The promoter(s) have failed, so action from the top (and bottom) is necessary, and as soon as possible. Here's what I would do if I were running things. (I don't have any experience of the music industry, but I have advertised national events on the cheap before!) First, buy an advert in this week's NME, listing all the gigs. No doubt this is expensive, but it's the fastest and surest way to get the info out. Second, post the list of gigs to the music newsgroups (see below). This is maybe something Star Rats could do. Maybe people who wrote reviews of Space Daze could post them to the music newsgroups too, and add a line mentioning the tour? Third, pull in any favours. Maybe Steve Swindells could mention the tour and the web site in his Time Out Column? Maybe Mark Radcliffe could mention it on his show? Fourth, get a press release out to the music papers and listing magazines around the country. Maybe some of the national press too - e.g. the Guardian. The press release should list the tour dates, and mention recent events: new, young, members. headlining Space Daze and DracFest. the new album. the european festivals. OFFER INTERVIEWS. Any of the above points offer hooks for a journalist to write a story. Get the band to have some anecdotes ready to tell. I don't read many newsgroups these days, but I think the following still exist and are relevant: alt.music.uk, uk.music.misc, rec.music.misc, rec.music.progressive, and maybe rec.arts.sf.media. Post the message individually to each one, so that cross-posting filters don't hide it. You'll get a little flak, but ignore it (or just apologise afterwards). Apart from the NME advert, these are all free or cheap. The press release takes a little time, but someone with a DTP package can produce one quickly. Maybe list members could offer addresses of suitable listing magazines. (Hmm, maybe this management experience has its uses!) Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Sep 14 17:52:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:52:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Fri, 12 Sep 97 17:41 +0100 Message-ID: On 12 Sep 17:41, Jon Browne wrote: > Sounds ceased publishing years ago, Dave. You can see how much I'm in touch! That was the original reason I joined boc-l, because I didn't read the music press anymore, and I wanted to know about Hawkwind gigs. (Now it seems that reading the music press wouldn't have made much difference :-( ). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Sep 14 19:21:41 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:21:41 -0700 Subject: Amorphis (and other recent acquisitions) Message-ID: >. I will definetly seek the Amorphis > album > "Elegy" out. > Christian I have a dub of this -- it's not exactly space rock, as I recall, but definitely retroey. Nothing they've done before was nearly as spacey as Kantele. (though all their albums have a couple phenomenal tracks each) Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Sep 14 21:43:48 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:43:48 +0000 Subject: Amorphis (and other recent acquisitions) In-Reply-To: <19970914232132426.AAA607@herbrose> Message-ID: At 16:21 14.09.97 -0700, you wrote: >>. I will definetly seek the Amorphis >> album >> "Elegy" out. >> Christian > >I have a dub of this -- it's not exactly space rock, as I recall, but >definitely retroey. Nothing they've done before was nearly as spacey as >Kantele. (though all their albums have a couple phenomenal tracks each) > >Charlie They seem like one of those bands that started out in the thrashy/metal mold and gradually psyched/spaced out. Kinda what happened to Voivod for awhile. BTW, there's a new TANGLE EDGE out! Christian From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Sep 15 03:15:06 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:15:06 +0200 Subject: Mismanagment In-Reply-To: <9709140857.AA23875@sentry.novo.dk> Message-ID: I have been following this thread and can't hold back from giving my opinion. I don't think that the local promoters can be blamed for the lack of ticket sales completely. It must be the bands management that is in charge of putting out national ads in the big magazines so that people find out about the tour in general. The local promoters should do there part locally but should not be responsible for putting ads in Kerrang, NME, Sounds, etc... Doug Smith has to do that stuff. Also, it should be the band management that selects promoters who will actually promote the gig. If there is not local promotion then the band mangement should be find some one else. Doug Smith after 25 years in the biz should know every fucking promoter in england and who he can and can't work with. HW has always had unorganized management, so why change now.. I would not be suprised if the whole tour was scrapped because it is too muc work for the management! Just my thoughts..... ObCs- HW- Copenhagen 9-11-94 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Mon Sep 15 03:32:14 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:32:14 +0100 Subject: London info Message-ID: There is also one in Cambridge. ---------- From: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.[SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] Sent: 12 September 1997 20:48 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: London info In fact, how about some general contact info for the FB: address/phone? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 2:44 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Off: London info Hope someone can help me out with this! I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? Thanks! scorch From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Sep 14 00:10:35 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:10:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Amorphis (and other recent acquisitions) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970913012756.006e9678@online.no> Message-ID: At 01:27 13/09/97 +0000, you wrote: > and a Third Ear Band radio session CD. > >Christian > More details please. To my eternal shame, I never bought any of their albums at the time, and I've only seen them in "collector's" racks at hideous prices in the last few of years. ChrisW ObCD: John Tavener - SVYATI From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Sep 14 00:44:25 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:44:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: the Manband In-Reply-To: <01BCC11C.A1291340.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 14:38 14/09/97 +0100, you wrote: >Excellent gig by the old Welsh bastards last night! Deke looked to be in >good shape, as did they all, except they had a (highly competent) stand-in >drummer for Terry Williams, who was unwell. (Jones quipped: "What do they >call it these days? Substance abuse?") I concur wholeheartedly - though I could be accused of rose-tinted glasses since it was my first Man gig in twenty years having previously chased them all over the country in the '70s. I don't know whether it was the return of Phil Ryan on keyboards, but they were well spacet too (with hardly a "whooshy" noise to be heard *g*). >Good to meet up with Chris W too! Likewise it was good to put a face to Andy's name... >They're supposed to be playing a few more dates this year - Harrow, Sheffield >and Southampton, I think they said - with a new album out early next year. Also Stoke (The Wheatsheaf?) >Anyway, the most amazing bit was when Martin Ace put aside his bass and >played a tuba during one song! Now I've really seen everything! We weren't hallucinating then... ChrisW ObCD: Bach - Sonata's & Partitas for Solo Violin (I'm ill & need soothing) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 15 11:13:14 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:13:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Third Ear Band In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970914051035.00688e50@mcmail.com> Message-ID: >More details please. To my eternal shame, I never bought any of their >albums at the time, and I've only seen them in "collector's" racks at >hideous prices in the last few of years. > >ChrisW TEB is cool. Droning acid folk/raga, all instrumental. They had 3 "regular" albums in the early 70's, all now availible on CD from Reportoire: "Alchemy", "Elements" (actually s/t I think) and the music from the "Macbeth" film. I have dubs of the first two, and I think they are fantastic. Macbeth has Simon House on violin, but I hear it doesen't stand up well without the flick. Still probably worth investigating. There is also a CD of unissued material I have seen listed somewhere. The Radio Sessions disc I got is on the Voiceprint label. It consists of two 10-11 minute tracks (the CD clocks in at around 22 minutes) so it's more of a EP or whatever. Still, it has an interesting bio, cool art and some spooky lo-key trippy music... The bio mentions TEB reformed in 1990 for the album "Magic Music". Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 15 09:54:13 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:54:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space EP Message-ID: Bugger me! It's out! Opening on the wrong side and everything! Not sure at first listen about the mix on "Love in Space" itself, but "Lord of Light" would definitely have been one of the top tracks on _Love in Space_ the album, and the new "Sonic Attack" is pretty good too! Calvert's vocal is a different take from that on _Space Ritual_, and it's overlaid with a slow BLANGA that you don't really notice at first, but builds up on you very effectively. Nice sleeve, too! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Sep 15 10:28:32 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:28:32 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble (past or future) Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Star Rats [SMTP:Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM] > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 1997 5:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble > > Now hang on right there. Promotion of a gig is the responsibility of > the > PROMOTER that has been hired BY THE BAND and in GOOD FAITH. If they > are not > standing up to their part of the bargin, the band will look elsewhere. > This > is what is happening now. > > If one "hires" a person or business then they must monitor the situation to ensure the goods or services are satisfactory. If not by implication the message conveyed is everything is cool. Good Faith? ha ha The band is looking else where? I thought you said the promoters are refusing to sign the contracts. > >> > >> 1st the endless delay of the LOVE in SPACE single > > Err, wasn't there something about the video being screwed up I seem to > remember? > The reference above is about the CD EP I think. > Stop blaming the management for things which are out of their hands. > Often times when a subordinate screws up its the one at the top that also has to take the fall. Surely you agree that things could be improved. Management is where the blame falls. However, a reductionist would also point out that its Dave band and only he hires and fires. I hear from time to time DS is busy with other things, what could they be. Maybe HW needs a full time manager. This new album should be promoted, pushed and given to anybody associated with a newspaper, magazine or radio station for free. With this new direction the new album may be the break through to a new group of fans. Any what goes hand-in-hand with a new album? A tour. Both should be promoted at the same time. Whats the old saying "you've got to spend money to make money". > Star Rats > obCD F/I, Helioscoplum (a must for any spacerock fan!!) -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 15 11:35:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:35:32 EDT Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble (past or future) Message-ID: > From: Doug Bates > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Star Rats [SMTP:Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM] > > > > Now hang on right there. Promotion of a gig is the responsibility of > > the > > PROMOTER that has been hired BY THE BAND and in GOOD FAITH. If they > > are not > > standing up to their part of the bargin, the band will look elsewhere. > > This > > is what is happening now. > > Agreed. But isn't there also some responsibility on the club owners' part? Doesn't it make good business sense to publicize an exciting gig in your club in the hope of attracting a big crowd? Now I'm not suggesting some club owner go out and buy HW discs and give them out to radio stations, etc., but couldn't they buy a couple of radio spots, put an ad in the alternative weekly, print some handbills and spend an afternoon or two pasting them up? Jeezuz, ya gotta spend money to make money sometimes... One of the few Bright spots for BOC this year was a club gig near here. The club put ads out, got a good radio spot--like the one AB was describing for the DC area--and voila, BOC had a big turnout and a dynamite gig. In this case, the club wisely took it into their own hands rather than relying on the brilliant Mr. Schenck, and things worked out like they were supposed to... > > > If one "hires" a person or business then they must monitor the > situation to ensure the goods or services are satisfactory. If > not > by implication the message conveyed is everything is cool. Good > Faith? ha ha > Right again. These people work for the band. If they aren't doing the work they're being paid for, then they don't work for you anymore! > > Stop blaming the management for things which are out of their hands. > > > Often times when a subordinate screws up its the one at the > top that also has to take the fall. Surely you agree that things > could be improved. Management is where the blame falls. > However, a reductionist would also point out that its Dave > band and only he hires and fires. > It's a shared responsibility. The band's first responsibility is to make good music, show up for gigs on time and be professional. They hire management to book the shows, hire transport etc. Management needs to make phone calls to ensure the gig's being done right. And more importantly, to screen gigs before you sign: How is this club going to support the gig? Will they do advertising? Will they get the word out? Seems like HW didn't get a good up-front deal. If they had, the promoters would be best served if the band draws a huge, hard-drinkin' crowd. Otherwise, if th band just gets the door, then the club couldn't care less. It's in HW's best interest if the club has something to gain by promoting the hell out of the gig. tBS got clobbered up here when the club did nothing to help them out. I doubt tBS had much of a budget to promote ahead of time, but the club could've made a good buck if they hadn't been so conservative... > I hear from time to time DS is busy with other things, what > could they be. Maybe HW needs a full time manager. > > This new album should be promoted, pushed and given to anybody > associated with a newspaper, magazine or radio station for free. Yes! Yes! Yes! > With this new direction the new album may be the break through > to a new group of fans. Any what goes hand-in-hand with a new > album? A tour. Both should be promoted at the same time. Whats > the old saying "you've got to spend money to make money". > > > Star Rats > > I've read reviews on BOC-L, and I can't wait for the new ecord, which sounds harder rocking than past HW. And I'm not an HW fan. Look what even a little positive press can do! theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Sep 15 12:18:34 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:18:34 +0200 Subject: HW: Love in Space EP Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > Bugger me! It's out! Opening on the wrong side and everything! > > Not sure at first listen about the mix on "Love in Space" itself, but "Lord > of Light" would definitely have been one of the top tracks on _Love in Space_ > the album, and the new "Sonic Attack" is pretty good too! Calvert's vocal is > a different take from that on _Space Ritual_, and it's overlaid with a slow > BLANGA that you don't really notice at first, but builds up on you very > effectively. Exactly my opinion, doesn?t this mix sound more like Astralasia???I was expecting a heavy version from the band and not this! > Nice sleeve, too! :) > > - Andy Let?s hope the new CD will be a real killer instead with lots of heavy guitars. Hawkswede > > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From raider at PIPELINE.COM Mon Sep 15 13:32:15 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:32:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: Well BOC put on a pretty good kick ass show last night. I didn't keep track of their set list, but they played a fair amount. One of the surprises was when they played "The Vigil" THey still need to increase the levels of the vocal mics tho. This seems to be an ongoing problem for BOC. Met one of the other guys on the list. He recognized me from the my previous post (where I said I'm 6'5, long blonde hair and would be wearing a godzilla shirt) Can't remember the guys name (sorry dude. email me.) Got to go backstage afterwards and meet the band. They were pretty damn cool. I brought along my limited edition blue vinyl Imaginos Album for them to sign, and they we're in awe of it. They had never seen it before. Buck: Dude, where did you find this record? Eric: We didn't even know that there was a blue vinyl copy album. Me: Just looking around and I happened to find it. Allen: You knew it was out there and that you had to find it? Both my friend Scott, and I got our pictures taken with the band (I'm on my knees for the picture since, I was considerably taller than them.) I'll probably get the pictures developed this week and put them up on my site. seeya Brian ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 15 14:00:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:00:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: > Got to go backstage afterwards and meet the band. They were pretty damn cool. I brought along my limited edition blue vinyl Imaginos Album for them to sign, and they we're in awe of it. They had never seen it before. Buck: Dude, where did you find this record? Eric: We didn't even know that there was a blue vinyl copy album. Ya know, I really got the guys from BOC to read the FAQ . . . ;-) (well, it's IN there!) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 15 14:09:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:09:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > > Got to go backstage afterwards and meet the band. They were pretty damn > cool. I brought along my limited edition blue vinyl Imaginos Album for them > to sign, and they we're in awe of it. They had never seen it before. > > > Buck: Dude, where did you find this record? > > Eric: We didn't even know that there was a blue vinyl copy album. > > > > Ya know, I really got the guys from BOC to read the FAQ . . . ;-) > > (well, it's IN there!) > > John The moment John lives for! Hey, AB, where's your review? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Sep 15 16:57:45 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:57:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Tourdates! Message-ID: Reply to message from henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM of Sat, 13 Sep >In reply to Star_rats: > >Are we watching the decline of british spacerock or is it simply bad >organization behind the group? >And what about the European dates, are they also in jeopardy? I see no reason for a decline, as the new millenium approaches, the popularity of UFO based shows (X-Files, etc...) there should be an increase in the interests of spacerock. A good manager of a spacerock band would see this opportunity and run with it. >The biggest question is of course - should they get rid of the >management? As mentioned above, a GOOD manager..... Draw your own conclusions, but if it weren't for the occasional reference to a certain DS here on the list, I wouldn't know that HW even HAD a manager! >And what about all the records they?re planning to release this autumn, >will they ever see the light of day? > Based on he past track record of HW's management, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for anything to happen. Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Sep 15 17:06:22 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:06:22 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Reply to message from Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM of Sat, 13 Sep > > >Stop blaming the management for things which are out of their hands. > >Star Rats > A good manager would not allow things to get so far out of hand. It's too easy to say "It's not my fault, I'm not the promoter!" Well who hired the promoter? A manager's job is to manage ALL aspects of a band's career, not just the easy stuff. Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 15 18:40:08 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:40:08 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: > A good manager would not allow things to get so far out of hand. > It's too easy to say "It's not my fault, I'm not the > promoter!" Well who hired the promoter? A manager's job is to manage > ALL aspects of a band's career, not just the easy stuff. And it's very easy to slag the management at the drop of a hat. To be fair, it's still 6+ weeks before the London show, and I really wouldn't have *expected* to see any ads for it yet. I might have expected it to be among the gigs listed as forthcoming in Time Out (London's listings mag), but not unduly concerned that it's not. It's normal to see actual ads only a couple of weeks before a show of this size - looking in the latest Time Out, here's a page of gig ads at random: Men They Couldn't Hang - 19th Sept Caravan (!) - 19th Sept Man (yay!) - 13th Sept 4 gigs at Dingwalls (including the Fall), 16 Sept - 2 Oct Fountains of wayne - 29th sept Levellers - 1-2 Oct Ruben Gonzalez - 18 & 22 Sept So you see, no-one's advertising more than 2 or 3 weeks ahead. It's not like the show's tomorrow and they've sold 15 tickets. Blackheath hardly got advertised until a week or two beforehand, and that was full enough. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 15 19:00:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:00:13 EDT Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > > A good manager would not allow things to get so far out of hand. > > It's too easy to say "It's not my fault, I'm not the > > promoter!" Well who hired the promoter? A manager's job is to manage > > ALL aspects of a band's career, not just the easy stuff. > > And it's very easy to slag the management at the drop of a hat. To be fair, > it's still 6+ weeks before the London show, and I really wouldn't have > *expected* to see any ads for it yet. I might have expected it to be among > the gigs listed as forthcoming in Time Out (London's listings mag), but not > unduly concerned that it's not. > This is true. But this thread started because some shows have been cancelled due to lack of sales. Given that ads for gigs do typically only start circulating 2-3 weeks before the show, why are they cancelling them? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 16 00:19:58 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:19:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: Cutting the pondering cheese Message-ID: BOC-L may or maybe not the place for it... Going through CDs etc. to get rid of them for clearing space or maybe just broke. Feel like it. So it goes, and it is a process... I'll be taking these poor records/books/ magazines, whatevers to "trial", suddenly after not touching them for ages. Thinking: - are you crap enough to get rid of you cheap? Do I love you because you are crap? Why can't I let you go, O Spot The Pigeon EP, A Day at the Races, lonely Curve CD back there next to Shonen Knife slicing the Dandelion with that completely crap Doors bootleg. And you too, Fish and Foo Fighters and Kyuss even. Why? Why? Did i ever think you were any less than good? I take you out, in the dead of night as you sleep, put you away and write you up on a list of tradables, wild eyed and crazy in the dim light of the computer screen... this one Klaatu has revealed itself as godlike and passed the termination/recycling test with frying colors, if only in my mind, dragging that Quintessence compilation in its spectered trail through my ear, and for some strange reason Jim Jones & The Kool-Ade Kids and The Cult cruise with you. They survived till the next trial, still here. Farewell to the others - Who knows, maybe next time it will be you All or Bryan Ferry or Omnia Opera or Beck and Rev Horton Heat that will trail off, burn out somewhere and disappear mysteriously... forever. And I so regret throwing you away now, A Day At The Races. Of course. That is why I still kept you, Bat Out Of Hell - you are right there between the remains of Queen's Flash Gordon and that cheap slutty T. Rex compilation. Why do I never play you like them anymore? Worked for the Scary Monsters CD after a the goofiest yet killer 50th birthday show...was fun to funky, from an old freak... mountain king performs back in the front seat, just made the grade... and did it live, here and now... did I catch up with you or did you catch up with everyone else? You park right next to Meatloaf's burning jetbooster Harley and hang there for awhile in a pierrot outfit. I see that floating coctail cherry Bryan Ferry CD looking for a new place, he'll go next to you today, with his shirt collar reaching shoulder to shoulder in a most peculiar way... And the tapers want to know whose sounds you say, and the stars look very different you say....? "..his planet's birth is You and there's nothing I can't....." Christian a.k.a. "What touring problems? Never mattered up here." BTW - anyone else seen Gary Numan now doing a "soundtrack" CD for a tacky US "gothic bad girl" independent comic book? Hahaha...condemned to an eternity in hell now? If it might have been Danzig's silly outfit at least MAYBE... Todd McFarlane's Kiss revival-comic(and an editor sacrificed to a vat of comics printing ink).... Hawkwind.... BOC.... get.. *back* IN THERE! And the DracFest... reptiles.... The youth-boosted Hawks playing with Gwar in two years????? BOC riding some weird future Godzilla wave but all souped up and mutated... merging with ex-Dictators and Ramones? ObCD: no idea anymore. Vaguely and suddenly pagan. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Sep 15 23:39:55 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:39:55 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Hi all, With all of this talk, I feel the need to put my 5 kopeks worth in. I believe, without a doubt, that it's a question of promotion. I'm not one to blame anyone, as that doesn't really achieve anything, but I think there are quite a few things that could be done. So here's a few ideas. 1. A film clip. This would be one of the best types of promotion, at least to get new fans etc. By a clip, I don't mean just some concert footage from Love In Space, I mean something that is actually directed by someone, with a plot, perhaps. I can see some great stuff in my mind, with regards to a film clip from Alien4. The talk of the new album sounds like an even better chance to get a clip out there. I think a well done clip would be one of the best ways to pull new fans. 2. Air time. Promo CDs, promo CDs, promo CDs for radio stations! 3. Distribution. I can only speak for Australia, and I know it's different in the UK, but there needs to be more distribution and promotion of the actual albums. By promotion of the albums, I don't mean huge things like Pink Floyd album debuts, but something that is clever and noticeable. 4. Fan-based promotion. This is one of the best things that I can think of to get it out into the open. With the possibility of HW coming to Australia, the organising of OzHawks, etc, has got a few people together to get the word out there. It's slow, but it works if you're willing to put a bit of effort into it. 5. Reaching the right market. I think today is one of the best times to promote HW, what with the interests in aliens, SCHWA, etc, and electronic music, the rave scene, etc. All of these interests are particular to a certain type subculture, and if the promotion was done intelligently, this would be a very productive market. I can understand the complaints concerning the promotions companies, as they seem to have a policy of keeping everybody in the dark with regards to their plans. I guess it's a case of some being better than others, too. Well, those are my thoughts for the moment. Max Wilcox http://student.uq.edu.au/~s333271/index.html Brisbane OzHawks http://student.uq.edu.au/~s333271/HawkBris/indexO.html From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 16 00:57:59 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:57:59 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: >A good manager would not allow things to get so far out of hand. >It's too easy to say "It's not my fault, I'm not the >promoter!" Well who hired the promoter? A manager's job is to manage >ALL aspects of a band's career, not just the easy stuff. Is it time to break out the R.O.D.S. robot from storage? Andrew From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Sep 16 05:22:57 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:22:57 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: <199709160340.NAA10501@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 16-Sep-97, Max Wilcox wrote: > 1. A film clip. This would be one of the best types of promotion, at >least to get new fans etc. By a clip, I don't mean just some concert footage from >Love In Space, I mean something that is actually directed by someone, with >a plot, perhaps. I can see some great stuff in my mind, with regards to a >film clip from Alien4. The talk of the new album sounds like an even better >chance to get a clip out there. I think a well done clip would be one of >the best ways to pull new fans. It's a reasonable idea but I'm afraid that in the UK a video is unlikely to do anything. Simply because vertually no one would play it. I mean, Hawkwind have only been seen on TV in the UK a handful of times in the last 20 years. And unfortunatly I can't see that changing in a hurry. Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 16 06:46:50 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:46:50 +0100 Subject: Off: London info In-Reply-To: John McCartney's message of Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: John McCartney writes: > Hope someone can help me out with this! > > I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, > as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd > like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? It's between Holborn and Leicester Square tube stations I believe. Maybe you could have your friend put up a poster there advertising the Hawkwind gigs. Ya never know, it might even encourage those folks whose job it is to do this stuff to emulate the example. FoFP From makmorn at QIS.NET Mon Sep 15 19:54:49 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:54:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970915010603.2d8754e6@pop.pipeline.com>; from Brian Frenck on Mon, Sep 15, 1997 at 01:32:15PM -0400 Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 1997 at 01:32:15PM -0400, Brian Frenck said: > Well BOC put on a pretty good kick ass show last night. I didn't keep track > of their set list, but they played a fair amount. As I recall it, the set-list began (I think in this order): Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Buck's Boogie Harvest Moon The Vigil It continued with these (but I don't recall the order): OD'd on Life Itself Then Came the Last Days of May Cities on Flame ME 262 In Thee --some other new song-- It closed with (in order again): Burnin' for You Godzilla Don't Fear (The Reaper) They encored with: The Red & The Black > One of the surprises was > when they played "The Vigil" I was very pleased to see that one! Allen played acoustic guitar on The Vigil and In Thee. > THey still need to increase the levels of the > vocal mics tho. This seems to be an ongoing problem for BOC. Ha! I had assumed that it was because we were so close to the stage. > Met one of the other guys on the list. He recognized me from the my > previous post (where I said I'm 6'5, long blonde hair and would be wearing a > godzilla shirt) I just turned around, and there he was. > Can't remember the guys name (sorry dude. email me.) That's me. No problem. > Got to go backstage afterwards and meet the band. Way cool! Congratulations! I was quite impressed with Danny's "Monster" Bass playing. He was really enjoying himself as he prowled the stage. With his short haircut, Eric could have walked right by me. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 16 08:41:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:41:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: > From: Daniel Ligon >> > As I recall it, the set-list began (I think in this order): > Stairway to the Stars > Before the Kiss (A Redcap) > Buck's Boogie > Harvest Moon > The Vigil > Ususally, ETI is the second or third tune... > It continued with these (but I don't recall the order): > OD'd on Life Itself OD'd is often played earlier in the set... > Then Came the Last Days of May > Cities on Flame > ME 262 > In Thee > --some other new song-- Probably Live for Me, though I'd love to hear another one... > > It closed with (in order again): > Burnin' for You > Godzilla > Don't Fear (The Reaper) That's the prescribed setlist, alright... > > They encored with: > The Red & The Black > > > One of the surprises was > > when they played "The Vigil" > They include that quite often these days, as they do In Thee > I was very pleased to see that one! Allen played acoustic guitar > on The Vigil and In Thee. > Not exactly a highlight. AL should stick to the keys, IMHO. He sometimes does a pretty awful acoustic blues thing as a preamble to In Thee. Adds nothing to the show. One of the coolest things about BOC is that their music isn't based on Blues licks, as are most rock songs. Nothing against the blues, I like it a lot, it's just refreshing to hear something else... > > THey still need to increase the levels of the > > vocal mics tho. This seems to be an ongoing problem for BOC. > Right! And BD's guitar, right? > > I was quite impressed with Danny's "Monster" Bass playing. He was Danny's a great showman, for sure. Does anyone know if he contributes anything to the new record, a la Joe B? Does he co-write with EB or Buck? > really enjoying himself as he prowled the stage. With his short > haircut, Eric could have walked right by me. > Speaking of EB, how'd he sound? Any teasing mention of the new record? I like him a lot better with longer hair... > -- > Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net > > I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. > -- _Inferno_ > theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Sep 16 08:55:58 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:55:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: Couple of things, The new song was "Live For Me". I like the ending of the BOC version verses the BDB version. How Eric sounded was not an issue, he sounded better than ever. ME262 was fabulous and the highlight of the weekend for me. I had a hard time hearing Buck's guitar, also. The picture backstage that was mentioned was made comical when BOC posed in an excellent action-movement position, then the camera wouldn't go off. This left the Band frozen in strange positions like they had just seen Medusa:-) The Blue Album looked very cool, I had never seen that before, either. chuck From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 16 11:16:50 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:16:50 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:22 16.09.97 -0000, you wrote: >On 16-Sep-97, Max Wilcox wrote: >> 1. A film clip. This would be one of the best types of promotion, at >>least to get new fans etc. By a clip, I don't mean just some concert footage >from >>Love In Space, I mean something that is actually directed by someone, with >>a plot, perhaps. I can see some great stuff in my mind, with regards to a >>film clip from Alien4. I can't agree more! I think the band should have done something cool like that years ago, and now with all the cheap technology and the current sci-fi /X-Files/whatever craze... When I asked Brock the question about videos on the web-interview, he replied with giving me an address where I could get concert videos! Argh... it's an attitude problem "We can't do it"... look at these underground bands, 0 budget videos - there's an old Spacemen 3 video done with a handheld in a tiny apartment, with just psychedelic lights all over the damn place and people just lazying about, doing nothing - it worked! Lesse... toss together LOTS OF CHEAP RUSSIAN CLIPS OF ROCKETLAUNCHES AND COSMONAUTS AND PICTURES OF THE SIBERIAN BLAST IN 1908, AND.... well, I think the most expensive ingredient would just be an idea... Look at friggin GWAR - they've made full length movies! C'mon, Hawkwind, get your friends together, take some of your silly stagedancers and put them to some real use... make a video! > The talk of the new album sounds like an even better >>chance to get a clip out there. I think a well done clip would be one of >>the best ways to pull new fans. Definitly. Sad but true fact. Hawkwind, get with it... >It's a reasonable idea but I'm afraid that in the UK a video is unlikely to do >anything. Simply because vertually no one would play it. Why? Just because it's Hawkwind? They might be somewhat "unhip" in the UK, but they definetly seem to have some warped UG cred... With all the psychey rock/drone/techno/whatever out there you never know, there is most likely an audience... bands like Verve or Spiritualized definetly owe a certain debt of influence to the hawks and their ilk... Just a namedrop at the right time from the right person in the right rag could do it! But even, so what if they are dismissed in the UK at first? Why not do like Turner - but WITH Turner, or at least with a better budget than Turner - this kind of music is pretty cutting edge/influental in the US, and success gatherings like Terrastock and Strange Daze definetly proved that. Get an UG hit in the US maybe, and then see what happens? THERE IS A HUGE CULTURAL VOID OVER THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED WITH NO GRATEFUL DEAD TO LATCH ON TO ANYMORE :) Let the psychedelic feeding frenzy commence.... > I mean, Hawkwind have >only been seen on TV in the UK a handful of times in the last 20 years. And >unfortunatly I can't see that changing in a hurry. Why? If they don't bother, thinking "oh, it ain't gonna work y'see", then you are right. Too bad. No wonder they never get on TV. Christian BTW, my earlier stream of (un)conciousness actually touched on the whole subject... look at what DAVID BOWIE just recently did - aside from his BUDGET - what did he do? Who did what for him? How did he turn "good" again (in the public eye and acclaimed and IMHO :) since last in the early '80s? What was the process there? Reinvention? Innovation? Creativity? Energy? sounds familiar.... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 16 09:34:35 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:34:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert Message-ID: > AL should stick to the keys, IMHO. He sometimes does a pretty awful acoustic blues thing as a preamble to In Thee. Adds nothing to the show. Buck is doing a little bluesy solo prior to "The Reaper" these days too. While I think it's nice to see the respective members' talents, I think I agree with theo on this - some of this stuff really adds little to the BOC show - it sort of seems out of place with the songs that follow it. And, as has been discussed here, perhaps the bass and drum solos in Godzilla should either 1) be shortened, 2) be moved so they aren't both in the same song, or 3) be eliminated. Personally, I think each bandmember should get some soloing time, but it should be fairly brief, and preferably spread out throught the show, and integrated with the songs played -- BOC has always been a BAND, not just a collection of 5 individuals (which is why some still dream of the original lineup reforming - get over it folks, it ain't gonna happen) - this is why the 5 guitars was so cool - yeah, it was sort of a "solo" spot, but it featured the whole band. > really enjoying himself as he prowled the stage. With his short > haircut, Eric could have walked right by me. Yeah, but he's now had this haircut for over 3 years... >Danny's a great showman, for sure. Does anyone know if he contributes anything to the new record, a la Joe B? Does he co-write with EB or Buck? My understanding, based on an interview w/Danny, is that yes he does write tunes. However, I believe most, if not all, of the songs scheduled to be on Ezekiel's Wheel were basically written before Danny joined BOC. I suspect that at this time Danny has done little collaboration with the rest of the band. But, aside from being a great showman, it is obvious to me that Danny is a good musician -- he does NOT simply re-hash Joe Bouchard's bass lines while playing in BOC, he expands upon them with his own style. Sure, he has to play within the basic framework of the songs as they were originally conceived, but he does definitely imprint his own signature on the BOC classics. In some sense, no one can ever replace what Joe Bouchard did on the bass for BOC, but Danny has proved to be more than a stand-in, IMHO. John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Sep 16 10:19:11 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:19:11 -0000 Subject: BOC: Soloing and band mechanics- a discussion Message-ID: >> AL should stick to the keys, IMHO. He >sometimes does a pretty awful acoustic blues thing as a preamble to >In Thee. Adds nothing to the show. As T.Jackson pointed out before the non bluesness of BOC's catalog does make this jam out of place, but then again Lanier can play guitar pretty well, as evidenced in the solo section of Harvester of Eyes and the structure of Gil Blanco County-a whalin' guitar tune. But yes, he does need to show of his keyboradmanship more...the 'boards didn't get too much emphasis in the mix when you listen to _BOC_ and remain mainly in the background, barely, in everything else till you get to _ST_ I think. They should have used the keyboards skills in the studio the way Lanier's sway and shimmy successfully on the live version of "WoTT"..or something like that. >Buck is doing a little bluesy solo prior to "The Reaper" these days >too. While I think it's nice to see the respective members' talents, I always thought of the Buck only guitar intro as Buck's version of Brain May in "Brighton Rock," noodling around with delay pedals and all that electronic chicanery...but sandly it really doesn't fit in well with such a well established slab of the BOC concert set. Either way, he plays well:) >that follow it. And, as has been discussed here, perhaps the bass and >drum solos in Godzilla should either 1) be shortened, 2) be moved so >they aren't both in the same song, or 3) be eliminated. Personally, I >think each bandmember should get some soloing time, but it should be >fairly brief, and preferably spread out throught the show, and integrated >with the songs played -- BOC has always been a BAND, not just a collection >of 5 individuals (which is why some still dream of the original lineup >reforming - get over it folks, it ain't gonna happen) - this is why the >5 guitars was so cool - yeah, it was sort of a "solo" spot, but it >featured the whole band. It seems what we are l;ooking for is a return to the live set construction we hear on _OYFoOYK_, where everyone has a piece of the spotlight, allowing the song structures to be versatile (especially with the endall and be all of the group effort (IMHO)- "7SDb") enough to keep solos tastefull and not go too far into the realm of longness. best example of the 5Man solo working successfully in the song (at least as I've heard it being done) is in ME262 on the same lp. If we wanted long meandering solos out of context, we should look to Deep Purple c. 1972 :)hehehe. I wonder why the band , once centered more along the lines of shifting instrument parts and tweekage of song formats in "the good ol' days," has opted more for sticking to the LP versions of tunes we all know and love...I know the band has definately enough talent to pull off their group viruosity these days w/ Miranda and (insert drummer's name here). One would think that the old style of BOC song interpretation would be popular in this age which has been recently given over to popularity of an alraming scale on college campuses to the Grateful Dead, Phish, etc. The drum break in godzilla, when I saw BOC in Utica, was thankfully shorter than I expected it to be and involved audience repsonce (John Micelli was a darm good drummerboy for the band), which kept the momentum of the tune thankfully in place. Preaching the goodness of 70's guitar icons to college dwellers, Jason From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Sep 16 10:23:16 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:23:16 -0000 Subject: BOC: Soloing and band mechanics --addendum Message-ID: One more thing before I sink back into laundry, For those of you who have have been fortunate enough to see BOC in the 70s and on some sort of regular basis since then, what are your impressions about the way their concert formats have changed over the years? (see, there might be something new to talk about after all...or not:)) "Just 22 and I don't mind dyin'", Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 16 10:32:17 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:32:17 +0100 Subject: LiS EP & Dracfest Message-ID: Does anyone know if the EP is available on vinyl too? Is anyone travelling to Dracfest? It looks like it's pretty hard to get te train all the way there so any lifts that could be arranged would be appreciated muchly. Can suply petrol money and reminiscences of many hawkwind gigs and tours... FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 16 10:53:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:53:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Soloing and band mechanics- a discussion Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > >> AL should stick to the keys, IMHO. He > >sometimes does a pretty awful acoustic blues thing as a preamble to > >In Thee. Adds nothing to the show. > As T.Jackson pointed out before the non bluesness of BOC's catalog does > make this jam out of place, but then again Lanier can play guitar pretty > well, as evidenced in the solo section of Harvester of Eyes and the > structure of Gil Blanco County-a whalin' guitar tune. But yes, he does > need to show of his keyboradmanship more...the 'boards didn't get too much > emphasis in the mix when you listen to _BOC_ and remain mainly in the > background, barely, in everything else till you get to _ST_ I think. They > should have used the keyboards skills in the studio the way Lanier's sway > and shimmy successfully on the live version of "WoTT"..or something like > that. > Yeah, AL's keys are pretty much in the background in the live show nowadays, and that's too bad. He contributes that eerie, atmospheric stuff to the old records and the early live shows. What's going on here? BOC's live sound in general isn't all that hot recently... > > theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 16 10:56:29 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:56:29 +0100 Subject: Sniffin' Flowers Message-ID: Managed to hit a CD fair just off Camden Tube station at the weekend an managed to complete my collection. My Chicory Tip collection. Yep, I now have all their singles. ObOnTopic: I also spotted a fanzine called as in the Subject line. This contained an interview with Moorcock about his music career and also an interview with Brock and Calvert about Hawkwind's current direction. >From the content these were dated around 1977. Havta get 'em posted up here at some point... FoFP From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Sep 16 10:58:12 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:58:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Soloing and band mechanics --addendum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > For those of you who have have been fortunate enough to see BOC in the 70s > and on some sort of regular basis since then, what are your impressions > about the way their concert formats have changed over the years? Could I rephrase that as "What, if any, interesting changes in the concert format have taken place since the laser show was dropped?" My answer is "few". - Mike Godwin From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 16 11:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's mail of Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:39 +1000 Message-ID: On 16 Sep 04:39, Max Wilcox wrote: > 1. A film clip. Haven't they just done a video to accompany the LiS EP? I thought this was one of the reasons for the delay (although in fact it makes sense for the EP/video to be released just before the tour). > 2. Air time. Promo CDs, promo CDs, promo CDs for radio stations! A good idea, but the hard part is getting the radio stations to play it. With so much "product" out there, much of it backed by the big companies and/or by much trendier bands, it's an uphill struggle. Worth a try though. > 3. Distribution. I can only speak for Australia, and I know it's > different in the UK, but there needs to be more distribution and promotion > of the actual albums. This is actually pretty good in the UK. > 4. Fan-based promotion. Also worth a try. > 5. Reaching the right market. I think today is one of the best times > to promote HW, what with the interests in aliens, SCHWA, etc, and electronic > music, the rave scene, etc. All of these interests are particular to a > certain type subculture, and if the promotion was done intelligently, this > would be a very productive market. I assume that this was part of what they had in mind with "Future Reconstructions", and the "Alien" album. They were negotiating with a big "UFO festival" to be held in London, but that festival collapsed. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Sep 16 10:35:16 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:35:16 CDT Subject: Cutting the pondering cheese Message-ID: Uh Christian, you lost me: are you getting rid of Fish stuff or not? :-) Allan. agrohe at igate.sprint.com ---------------- From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 9:34 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: OFF: Cutting the pondering cheese BOC-L may or maybe not the place for it... Going through CDs etc. to get rid of them for clearing space or maybe just broke. Feel like it. So it goes, and it is a process... I'll be taking these poor records/books/ magazines, whatevers to "trial", suddenly after not touching them for ages. Thinking: - are you crap enough to get rid of you cheap? Do I love you because you are crap? Why can't I let you go, O Spot The Pigeon EP, A Day at the Races, lonely Curve CD back there next to Shonen Knife slicing the Dandelion with that completely crap Doors bootleg. And you too, Fish and Foo Fighters and Kyuss even. Why? Why? Did i ever think you were any less than good? I take you out, in the dead of night as you sleep, put you away and write you up on a list of tradables, wild eyed and crazy in the dim light of the computer screen... this one Klaatu has revealed itself as godlike and passed the termination/recycling test with frying colors, if only in my mind, dragging that Quintessence compilation in its spectered trail through my ear, and for some strange reason Jim Jones & The Kool-Ade Kids and The Cult cruise with you. They survived till the next trial, still here. Farewell to the others - Who knows, maybe next time it will be you All or Bryan Ferry or Omnia Opera or Beck and Rev Horton Heat that will trail off, burn out somewhere and disappear mysteriously... forever. And I so regret throwing you away now, A Day At The Races. Of course. That is why I still kept you, Bat Out Of Hell - you are right there between the remains of Queen's Flash Gordon and that cheap slutty T. Rex compilation. Why do I never play you like them anymore? Worked for the Scary Monsters CD after a the goofiest yet killer 50th birthday show...was fun to funky, from an old freak... mountain king performs back in the front seat, just made the grade... and did it live, here and now... did I catch up with you or did you catch up with everyone else? You park right next to Meatloaf's burning jetbooster Harley and hang there for awhile in a pierrot outfit. I see that floating coctail cherry Bryan Ferry CD looking for a new place, he'll go next to you today, with his shirt collar reaching shoulder to shoulder in a most peculiar way... And the tapers want to know whose sounds you say, and the stars look very different you say....? "..his planet's birth is You and there's nothing I can't....." Christian a.k.a. "What touring problems? Never mattered up here." BTW - anyone else seen Gary Numan now doing a "soundtrack" CD for a tacky US "gothic bad girl" independent comic book? Hahaha...condemned to an eternity in hell now? If it might have been Danzig's silly outfit at least MAYBE... Todd McFarlane's Kiss revival-comic(and an editor sacrificed to a vat of comics printing ink).... Hawkwind.... BOC.... get.. *back* IN THERE! And the DracFest... reptiles.... The youth-boosted Hawks playing with Gwar in two years????? BOC riding some weird future Godzilla wave but all souped up and mutated... merging with ex-Dictators and Ramones? ObCD: no idea anymore. Vaguely and suddenly pagan. From micci at SCI.FI Tue Sep 16 11:26:00 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:26:00 +0300 Subject: off:Pseudo Sun Message-ID: Hi! Receive today Pseudo Sun (ex darxtar J.Nurmenniemi) cd. This is very good space rock stuff, they have own style, not sound darxtar at all. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// Miikka Wagner \/\/ Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 16 11:26:07 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:26:07 +0200 Subject: BOC: Danny Message-ID: The FAQman: >My understanding, based on an interview w/Danny, is that yes he does >write tunes. However, I believe most, if not all, of the songs scheduled >to be on Ezekiel's Wheel were basically written before Danny joined BOC. >I suspect that at this time Danny has done little collaboration with the >rest of the band. But, aside from being a great showman, it is obvious >to me that Danny is a good musician -- he does NOT simply re-hash Joe >Bouchard's bass lines while playing in BOC, he expands upon them with >his own style. Sure, he has to play within the basic framework of the >songs as they were originally conceived, but he does definitely imprint >his own signature on the BOC classics. In some sense, no one can ever >replace what Joe Bouchard did on the bass for BOC, but Danny has proved >to be more than a stand-in, IMHO. > In Denmark Bolle said to me that Danny is a "real" member of BOC but he hasn't written anything for EW. -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 16 11:29:15 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:29:15 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Message-ID: Max Wilcox: > 2. Air time. Promo CDs, promo CDs, promo CDs for radio stations! ...promo CDs for completists to buy. :-) -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Sep 16 12:54:24 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:54:24 -0600 Subject: I'm back Message-ID: Hi all! Seems that my e-mail on one side (I have 2 addresses) was not working properly ! it is now working!! PAm -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hi Miikka! and the rest of course:-)) . Miikka Wagner wrote: > Hi! > > Receive today Pseudo Sun (ex darxtar J.Nurmenniemi) cd. This is very good > space rock stuff, they have own style, not sound darxtar at all. About the same opinion as me then Miikka?Didn?t I tell you that it was brilliant? I really hope his plans for the future will become reality with more keyboards to start with. This reminds me that I must call him very soon. Cheers Hawkswede > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Just `cos you got the power > Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ > -Lemmy //\/\\ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ > \\ // > \\/\// > Miikka Wagner \/\/ > Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Sep 16 12:38:46 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:38:46 +0200 Subject: Off: London info Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > John McCartney writes: > > > Hope someone can help me out with this! > > > > I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, > > as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd > > like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? > > It's between Holborn and Leicester Square tube stations I believe. > > Maybe you could have your friend put up a poster there advertising the > Hawkwind gigs. Ya never know, it might even encourage those folks whose > job it is to do this stuff to emulate the example. :-))))))), do I need to say more...? > > > FoFP -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >>From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 16 12:16:28 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:16:28 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:51:59 EDT." <199709122151.RAA22656@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: > >>Being in the US, I don't know how well the tour is being advertised - can > >>anyone enlighten me? > >> > > > >Well, as far as I can see, it's fucking not, is it? Actually I noticed a flyer here in Ipswich at the weekend, but I must say where there put it (scabby billboard on the outskirts of town) and its design (white writing on pale grey) hardly made it an eyecatcher. I guess this would have been to promote the gig at the Felixstowe Spa Pavillion. Hope this ain't cancelled cos it was the only one I planned to go to. Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 16 12:12:57 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:12:57 +0100 Subject: Off: London info In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:46:50 BST." <199709161046.LAA13187@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > John McCartney writes: > > > Hope someone can help me out with this! > > > > I'm looking for the location(s) of Forbidden Planet in London, > > as I've a friend who's over there on business right now that I'd > > like to have pick up a few things from there. Any help? > > It's between Holborn and Leicester Square tube stations I believe. Like someone said, isn't the closest tube tottenham court road. Get out of the station, stand with Centrepoint (kinda unmissable John) behind you and then walk about 100 yds to your right. But then its been ages since I last went there and somebody I know said it moved. Tim From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Tue Sep 16 15:08:59 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:08:59 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind Troubles Message-ID: Well, I guess it's time for my two cents. Hawkwind seems to have a history of picking poor management and tour promoters. While I am only aware of their problems on the UK side through secondhand info, I can speak firsthand for what I have seen in the US. Tours seem to be poorly planned. An example is the 1995 US tour. They were originally scheduled to appear in Los Angles. I lived in San Diego, and a bunch of local fans were going to go, probably 40 or so of us. I called the venue for ticket and time info, and they informed me that the band had pulled out of the show. The manager assured me the venue wanted HW there and it was no fault of the venue that the concert was canceled. HW was scheduled, and did play in San Franciso a day before. Now lets think about this, they made a trip to the US, paid to travel to the west coast, and did one show in SF. Never mind that they have a very good fan base in LA and San Diego and had a venue booked in LA. DUHH! The 89 and 90 US tour were just as poorly advertised in the local media as the 97 tour. As for management and promotion over here, I think Chris and Mary Bruce do more harm than good for the band. I have sent money to subscribe to the Kadu Flyer and received just one issue in return. I took them up on a promotional offer for a LP available from Griffin through them, paid for two, and received nothing in return but a canceled check with Chris Bruce's name on it. Phone calls to them resulted in excuses and false promises to make things right. After becoming so fed up with trying to get my LPs, I called Griffin and talked to the person in charge of the HW account. He informed me that he could not help me obtain my LP's, that it was between me and them, basically I was SOL. Then he informed me that I was not the only person who had trouble with them, that it was well know around Griffin how hard it was to deal with the Bruce's, that Griffin was pissed that they had advanced the Bruce's money for HW promotion and advertising and had seen nothing as as result, and that basically Griffin could not believe why HW put up with them. I have stopped trying to deal with them, feeling that it is just better to cut my losses, although I wouldn't mind meeting up with Chris sometime so I could take out my $40. he ripped me off for. God knows how ,many other people they have ripped off. Yes, I'm flaming them, but you make your bed and you have to lie in it. The bottom line is that HW, as much as I love the band, appears to surround themselves with mediocre support, which has doomed them to relative obscurity and cult status. They are a kick ass band, with better support they might have been really big, at the very least more well known. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 16 15:40:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:40:44 EDT Subject: BOC: Soloing and band mechanics --addendum Message-ID: From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision >> > For those of you who have have been fortunate enough to see BOC in the 70s > and on some sort of regular basis since then, what are your impressions > about the way their concert formats have changed over the years? > In the 70s, the big show-stopper was BTBW, with BD and EB abusing their gtrs. And, of course, the 5 guitars...The laser show, of course, was amazing, as it was to see BOC play sold-out stadiums... Yet, Buck's playing is way better than the old days, at least live. You'd have to have seen Eric in the old days to believe it's the same guy--he really ruled a stage, and his voice, while not technically the best, had a certain style and panache that made up for his shortcomings. Allen played a much bigger part than nowadays--at least you could always hear him... And of course, the Bouchards...Nobody can make up for Al's departure, or Joe's for that matter. The drummers they have now are fine musicians, but they can't match Albert's presence on stage. He is a consumate showman. Danny's a fine bassist, maybe even better than Joe as a player, but Joe's vocal turns were a highlight of the show, and he provided such important songwriting input. Same with Albert. On the positive side, it's a gas seeing the band up close in a club. But the downer is that they play the same songs all the time. In the old days, new material was always coming up, the playlist changed all the time. The anticipation of new material and a constantly changing setlist always made the shows something to look forward to. And...I was 20 years younger--Jesus, Jason, almost as long as you've been alive! A concert had more impact in those days, even though I saw more shows back then. Now, even though I love seeing the band, it's more like I'm going to see Buck, who's the greatest, but I really miss the total exxperience of an old-time BOC show, and tha, I'm afraid, is gone forever... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Sep 16 14:08:37 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:08:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Moose! Sorry, but I can't resis Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: Christian Mumford wrote: >Yet, Buck's playing is way better than the old days, at least live. You'd have to have seen Eric in the old days to believe it's the same guy--he really ruled a stage, and his voice, while not technically the best, had a certain style and panache that made up for his shortcomings. Allen played a much bigger part than nowadays--at least you could always hear him... Yeah, Eric had more of a "presence" in the old days - somewhat funny to think of that considering Eric is only, what, five-nine, five-ten? Of course, he looked HUGE standing next to Buck. >And of course, the Bouchards...Nobody can make up for Al's departure, or Joe's for that matter. The drummers they have now are fine musicians, but they can't match Albert's presence on stage. He is a consumate showman. Danny's a fine bassist, maybe even better than Joe as a player, but Joe's vocal turns were a highlight of the show, and he provided such important songwriting input. Same with Albert. Depending on what BOC puts out in the future, we may never no what song-writing capabilities anyone else in the band has. I agree that Danny hasn't (or hasn't been allowed to) fill Joe's role as a lead vocalist (of course, Danny hasn't got any BOC songs that he wrote to sing at this time - but again, I don't know if that speaks to Danny's songwriting or BOC's lack of putting stuff out) - I suspect that may be somewhat Eric and Buck's decisions. Even in the "old days", and Albert has stated this, Joe and Albert basically only got to do one lead vocal (sometimes two) each. My points in a previous post about Danny were specific to his bass-playing, which is excellent (although I'm not trying to compare it in terms of quality with Joe Bouchard - they're both great). I think Albert is unique among BOC's drummers - I don't know if technically he's the best, but his "feel" for the song is great -- he seems to weave drum parts into songs the way someone like Paul McCartney could weave the bass into the song where it was more than just rythmic/harmonic support - it's an integral part of how you experience the song (classic case in point -- that infamous, bum bum ba BUM bass drum beat in "Cities on Flame" - that ain't just a drum beat - it is an integral part of the song -- a part, BTW, which was abandoned after Rick Downey left the throne, I believe). Listen to some of Albert's drumming on tBS albums - intricate use of drums and cymbals alike, and stuff coming at you from where you least expect it -- technically great? I'm not a drummer so I can't comment, but something that adds greatly to the song? Bet yer ass... >But the downer is that they play the same songs all the time. In the old days, new material was always coming up, the playlist changed all the time. The anticipation of new material and a constantly changing setlist always made the shows something to look forward to. True, but even then, the setlist didn't vary that much. I mean, it did vary as new albums came out, but many songs that were in the setlist in 1974 stayed there until 1996 for the most part. Oh, great songs they are, but, for example, did "Hot Rails to Hell" need to almost ALWAYS be the Joe B. song done at the show? Why not break out a few others here and there? How come great songs like "Monsters", "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", "I Love the Night", "Death Valley Nights", "Tattoo Vampire", and others were either almost never played, or only trotted out on a few occasions? Why did "E.T.I" get played almost every night for 20 years? Of course, now, with no new material other than the glimpses of 1 or 2 "Ezekiel's Wheel" songs in their shows, it took Eric needing to rest his voice to get the setlist to change . . . John From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 16 16:14:44 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:14:44 +0100 Subject: HW: tour arranging Message-ID: Does anyone know if Redcar is still happening (the night before Whitby) and/or does anyone know a number for the venue so I can get a ticket? ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 16 16:32:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:32:35 +0200 Subject: BOC:tCB CD Message-ID: Ha'? A few days ago somebody posted the webaddress of his JB and Cult Brothers site. I'm sorry but I can't remember who did it and I didn't "bookmark" the site either. Does anyone know what this CD is going to sound like? What is Joe?s main instrument in the band? Keyboards and vox? I'm looking forward for this release, 'cos EW still seems to be a "Godot" sort of thing, BUT it would disappoint me if it sounded the slightest like the _horrible_ [sorry if anyone happens to like it] Deadringer album. *amoosed* -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Sep 16 17:50:48 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:50:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Frederick concert In-Reply-To: <199709160900.FAA10019@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Brian said: >Well BOC put on a pretty good kick ass show last night. I didn't keep track >of their set list, but they played a fair amount. One of the surprises was >when they played "The Vigil" THey still need to increase the levels of the >vocal mics tho. This seems to be an ongoing problem for BOC. I've heard that this is done intentionally >Got to go backstage afterwards and meet the band. They were pretty damn >cool. I brought along my limited edition blue vinyl Imaginos Album for them >to sign, and they we're in awe of it. They had never seen it before. that's kind of weird, cuz they didn't say anything when they signed mine about 8 years ago! and it was kind of obvious cuz there's a BIG sticker on the front that says "Limited Edition Blue Vinyl"..... setlist from Frederick: Stairway Before the Kiss E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie OD'd On Life The Vigil Live For Me Cities On Flame ME 262 Last Days of May In Thee The Big 3 Red & The Black and Eric sounded pretty good to me...the only song he was "shadowed" on was Cities...everyone seemed to be having a good time if anyone needs info on the Pasadena show (tickets/directions/motels) this Saturday, email me Ted From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 16 16:55:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:55:40 -0400 Subject: BOC:tCB CD Message-ID: I don't have the website handy, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the sites in the BOC Webring - my BOC site is one of them, so if you go to my site (http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/), you should be able to get there by a few hops (talk about shameless self-promotion!!). Joe's main instrument in the Cult Brothers was, I believe guitar and some keyboards (Andy Hilfiger, brother of tBS-guitarist Billy, played bass), but I believe Joe handles some bass on the CD tracks as well. I heard 2 of the songs scheduled to be on the CD that were on a live tape of a Cult Bros. show - they were both pretty good from what I remember - solid rockers. And hey, if Joe Bouchard wrote these songs (at least in part), well, then they gotta be pretty good... :-) John From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Sep 16 18:13:23 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:13:23 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Troubles Message-ID: > Tours seem to be poorly planned. An example is the 1995 US tour. Though I must add that of all US Hawkwind tours, the 1995 one was the best planned of the lot. Griffin did a lot for the band, and this tour proved it. They played in large places for large audiences and the gigs were in general fairly well advertised. > Now lets >think about this, they made a trip to the US, paid to travel to the west >coast, and did one show in SF. Never mind that they have a very good fan >base in LA and San Diego and had a venue booked in LA. DUHH! Yes, I could never understand that about Hawkwind in the US! It costs a lot in "initial costs" to haul themselves and their equipment over here, but then when they get here, they do a minimal number of shows, which makes no sense. With more shows, the profits increase obviously. The initial costs are the main expenses involved, so after those are made up for, each additional show can only add to the profits. With this most recent tour of 4 shows with bad turnouts, what's that all about? I expect they must have lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price at Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost money at three shows and made a small profit at one. The obvious solution is to STAY IN THE US LONGER AND DO MORE SHOWS PER TOUR. Seems pretty obvious. The way to get shows of course is to have a promo package to send out. This means sending CD's and a brief biography/ 8x10 glossy to prospective clubs/promoters, just like every other band on earth. Generally speaking people don't know who Hawkwind is, but Hawkwind could cure that problem by promoting themselves a little more than zero. In 1989 they did have a press kit for the US tour, and I think it helped because Hawkwind interest in this country was at a nadir, considering they hadn't played here in the 11 previous years. Come on guys, get with it! Press kits! Radio spots! Promo CDs! > As for management and promotion over here, I think Chris and Mary >Bruce do more harm than good for the band. I have sent money to subscribe >to the Kadu Flyer and received just one issue in return. I took them up on >a promotional offer for a LP available from Griffin through them, paid for >two, and received nothing in return but a canceled check with Chris Bruce's >name on it. Phone calls to them resulted in excuses and false promises to >make things right. After becoming so fed up with trying to get my LPs, I >called Griffin and talked to the person in charge of the HW account. He >informed me that he could not help me obtain my LP's, that it was between >me and them, basically I was SOL. Then he informed me that I was not the >only person who had trouble with them, that it was well know around >Griffin how hard it was to deal with the Bruce's, that Griffin was pissed >that they had advanced the Bruce's money for HW promotion and advertising >and had seen nothing as as result, and that basically Griffin could not >believe why HW put up with them. I have stopped trying to deal with them, >feeling that it is just better to cut my losses, although I wouldn't mind >meeting up with Chris sometime so I could take out my $40. he ripped me off >for. God knows how ,many other people they have ripped off. Yes, I'm >flaming them, but you make your bed and you have to lie in >it. I'm slightly inclined to agree with you about the Bruces. They're nice to chat with on the phone, but in terms of getting things done, they just don't seem to! I sent them $20.00 and like fifty stamps some years back as a token effort to help out the network, and all I can say is that I have only the first two issues of the Kadu Flyer. Who knows how many were ever produced? No one ever receives anything from these people so we'll never know. Even after they repeatedly talked to me on the phone about it and promised to send me the issues, they never did. Ditto with other merchandise. I had even made some arrangements with them for some tape trades, and after I sent them my tapes, they never mailed anything back to me! I'm not sure about those kids! Plus Chris seems pretty out of it as music goes, just judging by the bands he supports other than Hawkwind. Cheese rock at its worst (and I'm not referring to cheese of the Camembert Electrique variety)! I've often thought that Hawkwind would benefit from a different sound guy who isn't such a cheese rocker. I guess I'm just venting as well, but hearing somebody else rant about the Bruces got me going too! > The bottom line is that HW, as much as I love the band, appears to >surround themselves with mediocre support, which has doomed them to >relative obscurity and cult status. They are a kick ass band, with better >support they might have been really big, at the very least more well known. Couldn't agree more. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Sep 16 18:06:43 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:06:43 -0600 Subject: BOC: Boots Message-ID: I have NO BOC boots and I want one :) What I really want to do is trade some shows with other people. As a BOC bootleg virgin I guess I can only offer shows from my other favorite band. If ya want to trade for a Zeppelin show then let me know. I must have a BOC boot! Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From makmorn at QIS.NET Tue Sep 16 19:01:00 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Frederick MD's concert In-Reply-To: ; from Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 on Tue, Sep 16, 1997 at 08:41:00AM -0500 Message-ID: > Speaking of EB, how'd he sound? Any teasing mention of the new > record? I like him a lot better with longer hair... As mentioned, the vocals were hard to hear. As it was, he sounded as good as Buck. No teasing. He mentioned the new songs as new songs, but I don't recall any mention of a new album. The opening act was "Asylum Suite", four blond boys from Tennessee who hope have a debut album out this fall. They were followed by "Great Train Robbery" who mainly did covers. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 16 19:35:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:35:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Boots Message-ID: > From: "Brad M. Lauchnor" > I have NO BOC boots and I want one :) What I really want to do is trade some > shows with other people. As a BOC bootleg virgin I guess I can only offer shows > from my other favorite band. If ya want to trade for a Zeppelin show then let me > know. I must have a BOC boot! > > Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us Unfortunately, most of the BOC boots available are of the 3OC variety. There are a couple of European 'Imports' out there, listed in the FAQ [Beat ya to it, John!] but I'm not sure if they feature the original lineup or not. I think one is very similar to ETL, but again, I think it's with RD on drums not Al. Could be wrong on this one, though. I've got a couple at home, and I'll check them over to se what incarnation is on them... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Sep 16 22:20:16 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:20:16 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Troubles Message-ID: > I expect they must have >lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price at >Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost money at >three shows and made a small profit at one. No. Jim made sure the band was taken care of. Any losses were absorbed by the promoters. This was a labor of love, folks. Wylie From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Tue Sep 16 22:20:35 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:20:35 -0400 Subject: BOC:tCB CD Message-ID: You can get to the Cult Bros. site at the URL below. Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Sep 16 23:23:25 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:23:25 +1000 Subject: BOC: Recent shows Message-ID: Hey! Who is the drummer this week? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 16 22:24:56 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:24:56 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Troubles Message-ID: William Stone wrote: > > I expect they must have > >lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price > at > >Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost > money at > >three shows and made a small profit at one. > > No. Jim made sure the band was taken care of. Any losses were > absorbed by the promoters. This was a labor of love, folks. > > Wylie as i understand it, HW was the _only_ band who got paid for the strange daze fest. also, they made quite a bit on the coney island show. they were beaming! i dont know how they fared on the other two shows, but brock said the gigs went well. rj From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 16 23:30:07 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:30:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-16 16:11:49 EDT, you write: << Oh, great songs they are, but, for example, did "Hot Rails to Hell" need to almost ALWAYS be the Joe B. song done at the show? Why not break out a few others here and there? How come great songs like "Monsters", "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", "I Love the Night", >> It's funny...I've only ever seen BOC live twice, once in '83 and then a couple of years ago... But in '83 Joe's song was "Fallen Angel" (boy was I surprised by that!), although he also had a lengthy bass solo, and they also did "I Love the Night" and "Golden Age of Leather," both of which surprised me. Unfortunately, "I Love the Night" was my all-time least favorite BOC song, while they didn't do any of my favorites (nothing from Secret Treaties, none of the three Moorcock songs, no Patti Smith songs, heck, no Last Days of May or Redcap or Diz-Busters etc.etc...). Not that I didn't love the concert anyway! Too bad I never got to see the band with Albert on drums...sigh... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 16 23:45:59 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:45:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Boots Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-16 19:36:25 EDT, you write: << most of the BOC boots available are of the 3OC variety >> I have a copy of a concert performed between the first and second albums...it has a really weird arrangement of Redcap...not to mention Transmaniacon and Workshop live... SET From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Sep 17 00:04:41 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:04:41 -0500 Subject: HW TOURS Message-ID: > Yes, I could never understand that about Hawkwind in the US! It costs a lot > in "initial costs" to haul themselves and their equipment over here, but > then when they get here, they do a minimal number of shows, which makes no > sense. With more shows, the profits increase obviously. The initial costs > are the main expenses involved, so after those are made up for, each > additional show can only add to the profits. With this most recent tour of > 4 shows with bad turnouts, what's that all about? I expect they must have > lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price at > Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost money at > three shows and made a small profit at one. The obvious solution is to STAY > IN THE US LONGER AND DO MORE SHOWS PER TOUR. Seems pretty obvious. As I understand it Hawkwind needs $3,000 to show up and play, and they need a contract signed to this effect. If they don't have this they can't show up and play. I think they're fairly eager to play more dates in the US but they need more gigs set up for them. If people want to see more dates on the possible 98 tour, they should start considering ways to set up a gig in their own town. Jim Laschko, I'm sure could give more in depth advice to people who are able gaurantee the bands wages. This is the only way to see more gigs in the US, fan involvement. The way > to get shows of course is to have a promo package to send out. This means > sending CD's and a brief biography/ 8x10 glossy to prospective > clubs/promoters, just like every other band on earth. Generally speaking > people don't know who Hawkwind is, but Hawkwind could cure that problem by > promoting themselves a little more than zero. In 1989 they did have a press > kit for the US tour, and I think it helped because Hawkwind interest in this > country was at a nadir, considering they hadn't played here in the 11 > previous years. Come on guys, get with it! Press kits! Radio spots! > Promo CDs! > I doubt if any of this would help at all, the press and radio will continue to ignore Hawkwind in US, as they do any band of similar popularity. > > > As for management and promotion over here, I think Chris and Mary > >Bruce do more harm than good for the band. I have sent money to subscribe I had no idea this was the case, I'm glad somebody said something about this. If the Bruce's are ripping people off HW should not associate with them. > >to the Kadu Flyer and received just one issue in return. I took them up on > >a promotional offer for a LP available from Griffin through them, paid for > >two, and received nothing in return but a canceled check with Chris Bruce's > >name on it. Phone calls to them resulted in excuses and false promises to > >make things right. After becoming so fed up with trying to get my LPs, I > >called Griffin and talked to the person in charge of the HW account. He > >informed me that he could not help me obtain my LP's, that it was between > >me and them, basically I was SOL. Then he informed me that I was not the > >only person who had trouble with them, that it was well know around > >Griffin how hard it was to deal with the Bruce's, that Griffin was pissed -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Sep 17 03:40:56 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:40:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Cutting the pondering cheese Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > BOC-L may or maybe not the place for > it... Going through CDs etc. what a great post, Christian! I really enjoyed your musings! I've a few there like those mentioned-I hold on to 'em just 'cause they're there. I actually dig 'em out , dust 'em off & relive them!! That's fun! Enjoy!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: I actually know Chris and Mary Bruce and got together with them 20 or 30 times while I lived in the boston area. I am not sure how HW ever got hooked up with them either. Mary has been a big HW fan for years. Chris was always more of a dead head and mary sort of got him into HW. For those of you out there that don't know it mary is completely blind and relies on Chris for nearly everything. This handycap is compounded by the fact that they are both incredibly lazy...... They mean well, but never quite get up the energy to do much of anything,. Chris has been trained as an audio/recording engineer and I think he knows his shit but just does not want to work. He also has a bad back and likes to smoke a lot of pot. Basically Chris and Mary would sit around and do drugs all the time if they could but they can't afford to. Most of their income comes from Mary's SSI (disability) and they were living in a government subsidized housing (the address that appears in all the cd's, etc..). They have since been kicked out because of a drug bust. You can read about it for yourself at: http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/archive/051597/029484_0_alleged_0515 97_83d5359002.html I guess they don't keep the archives on line that long, as I could not get through.. It is an article from the Cambridge Chronicle newspaper about the alledged drug dealer in harvard square. I spoke to Chris and Mary before I moved to denmark and Chris said that this was a bunch of bullshit and was fighting it in court. I think he was winning at the time? Anyway, Chris and Mary are lazy nice people but don't really have their life in order. There will never be another Kadu Flyer. The need to buy pot first. Mary would like there to be but I don't think it will ever happen. I wrote like 10 papes of stuff and included the interview I did with richard that appears on a web page by Tania Ruiz, but they never got around to putting anything out. It basically comes down to them not really having enough energy to get up and do it. You talk to them on the phone and they say they will but then they never wrote it down and smoked another joint... you are a distant memory.. I don't want anyone to think that I am slagging them. I had fun when I got together with them and they are really nice people but they are really really lazy. I just don't think that anyone can rely on them to help HW when they do desperately need to help themselves... Scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Sep 17 06:00:03 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:00:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: For your Information: In Kerrang this morning there is a full page advert for the Dracfest (listing HW) but still no mention of the actual HW tour. Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 17 07:45:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:45:33 EDT Subject: BOC: Recent shows Message-ID: > From: Troy Harris > Hey! > > Who is the drummer this week? > > Troy > I saw them last month and the month before also, and each time it was Bobby Rondinelli. I saw them twice last winter and it was John Micelli pounding... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From makmorn at QIS.NET Wed Sep 17 07:25:10 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:25:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Recent shows In-Reply-To: <199709170323.NAA05218@shell-01.webconcept.com.au>; from Troy Harris on Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 01:23:25PM +1000 Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 01:23:25PM +1000, Troy Harris said: > > Who is the drummer this week? I've probably misspelled the name, but it's Bobby Longinella. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 17 08:20:30 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:20:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: Well, I just got this week's _Time Out_, and lo and behold, there's a decent-sized ad for Hawkwind, with Banco da Gaia, Cybernaut, and DJ Monkey Pilot, at the Empire on Oct 31. I thought it was a bit premature to call for sackings all round... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 17 08:43:22 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:43:22 -0700 Subject: BOC Setlists, sounds and the like 70's til now. Message-ID: Hmmm interesting question 70's vs. today. Biggest difference I have seen/heard is the lack of diversity in the music. In the 70's you had songs that were led vocally by four different guys. Yeah Eric did the majority of songs with Buck a close second but having Al and Joe chirp in with Hot Rails, Cities and other songs added much spice to the mix. Also BOC tended to jam quite a bit in the old days. If you want to know the BIGGEST difference between then and now I have to say its motion. In the 70's Buck was pretty much glued to the spot, he's far more animated now then then. Eric has gone the opposite way, far more animated in the 70's than now. Oh Eric didn't act like David Lee Roth or anything but he worked each area of the stage and basically cut a dashing almost regal figure up there with those mirrored shades. As for the setlist I don't know but maybe we are overlooking the obvious here. BOC can't go around changing the setlist drastically every two or three shows. 1. The old tours were well organized and played in arenas, BOC probably totted along a huge amount of their own equipment. Also soundchecks were part of the daily routine. Having your own stuff and the luxury of soundchecks allowed the band to change the setlist on the fly to fit the venue. 2. Club circuit is the exact opposite. Dates are confirmed on the fly, clubs have to provide some of the equipment or at least make some arrangements. In order to do the club circuit the way they are doing it you have to travel light. Wonder how many real soundchecks they get during the normal course. Not many I imagine, therefore they have to have songs ready to go out the can. 3. Changing personnel and lots of gigs allows precious time for rehearsal, changes and other stuff. Now about Danny. IMHO he is the best bassist BOC has had in years. Glad he is part of the band so perhaps its more appropriate to say 4OC. We may never know how good Danny is as a song writer since they have not gotten EW to market to test the waters. It occurs to me that while we would all like to hear something new if we do get EW it may in fact be the absolute last BOC album we will ever hear. It will have to justify someones investment to get another. Maybe we are better off without it. Theo no review from me on the 9/14 show, for a good reason, didn't go bud. Frederick {grew up in this area and couldn't find Frederick on a map 8>)} is a hump as is the next show at AL Gators. Timing also stunk on the 9/14 show as that was a Sunday. Probably will not make the Gators show either as I am somewhat adverse to travelling heavy duty miles to see any band. Life isn't like that for me anymore. Typically BOC plays Jaxx every October, and while no show has been announced yet I'm betting that they will appear there to keep my streak alive. Jaxx is small but a great venue to see a show. My tally for concerts over the last four years is very meager almost laughable by other standards but hey they were quality shows nonetheless. BOC - 1994-1996 (3) Earth Wind & Fire 1995 Beck & Sanatana 1995 Nazareth 1996 Velvet Hammer 1996 King's X & Galactic Cowboys 1996 Queensryche - 1997 Probably only two more this year Savatage - If they actually play Jaxx in October and BOC ditto. However if GC or KX hit the road I'll be there. Not a lot of shows I admit but each one of them was very much worth it. L8er lil' ab "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick OBCD - King's X, Dogman From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 17 08:48:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:48:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Wed, 17 Sep 97 13:20 +0100 Message-ID: On 17 Sep 13:20, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Well, I just got this week's _Time Out_, and lo and behold, there's a > decent-sized ad for Hawkwind, with Banco da Gaia, Cybernaut, and DJ Monkey > Pilot, at the Empire on Oct 31. Good. That's just the London show though. IMIO (In my ignorant opinion), there should still be some advertising for the tour as a whole. > I thought it was a bit premature to call for sackings all round... Granted -- this thread follows a time-honoured boc-l tradition of someone posting a panicky-sounding message, and various people (myself included) making all sorts of assumptions. Maybe Dale (have I got your name right?) could give us an update on the situation? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 17 08:42:36 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:42:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer in London Message-ID: Also announced in TO, brother Wayne Kramer at the Borderline, Wed Oct 8! I'm getting my ticket tomorrow! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 17 09:17:19 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:17:19 EDT Subject: BOC Setlists, sounds and the like 70's til now. Message-ID: From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Hmmm interesting question 70's vs. today. Biggest difference I have > seen/heard is the lack of diversity in the music. In the 70's you had > songs that were led vocally by four different guys. Yeah Eric did the Plus all the great diversity of songwriting. All members of the band contributed, plus great outside input from Meltzer, Sandy, etc. Later came Moorcock, Shirley and others. I always dug that about BOC, that they weren't so proud as to assume they had to write everything themselves. You lose some money this way, but it invigorates the sonic gene pool... > majority of songs with Buck a close second but having Al and Joe chirp In the 70s, there was no doubt about it: Eric was the frontman, and a great one he was. Buck was the Guitar Hero and change of pace singer...Albert was, well, Albert! Great comic relief, ferocious drummer. Joe provided the gothic, moody stuff, and Allen's great keys provided atmospheric discontent. Any live gig that included D&S was a treat with Allen's Hammond organ swelling during the chorus parts... > in with Hot Rails, Cities and other songs added much spice to the mix. > Also BOC tended to jam quite a bit in the old days. If you want to > know the BIGGEST difference between then and now I have to say its > motion. In the 70's Buck was pretty much glued to the spot, he's far > more animated now then then. Eric has gone the opposite way, far more > animated in the 70's than now. Oh Eric didn't act like David Lee Roth > or anything but he worked each area of the stage and basically cut a > dashing almost regal figure up there with those mirrored shades. > Yeah, Eric really ruled the stage... > As for the setlist I don't know but maybe we are overlooking the obvious > here. BOC can't go around changing the setlist drastically every two or > three shows. > > 1. The old tours were well organized and played in arenas, BOC probably > totted along a huge amount of their own equipment. Also soundchecks > were part of the daily routine. Having your own stuff and the luxury of > soundchecks allowed the band to change the setlist on the fly to fit > the venue. > Good point! > 2. Club circuit is the exact opposite. Dates are confirmed on the fly, > clubs have to provide some of the equipment or at least make some > arrangements. In order to do the club circuit the way they are doing it > you have to travel light. Wonder how many real soundchecks they get > during the normal course. Not many I imagine, therefore they have to > have songs ready to go out the can. > Yeah, they need to do material that they can play in their sleep... > 3. Changing personnel and lots of gigs allows precious time for > rehearsal, changes and other stuff. > > Now about Danny. IMHO he is the best bassist BOC has had in years. > Glad he is part of the band so perhaps its more appropriate to say 4OC. > We may never know how good Danny is as a song writer since they have not > gotten EW to market to test the waters. It occurs to me that while we > would all like to hear something new if we do get EW it may in fact be > the absolute last BOC album we will ever hear. It will have to justify > someones investment to get another. Maybe we are better off without it. > Sad but maybe true. Unless EW goes over. You never know. If they signed with a good label that understands them, like CMC or Metal Blade, it need not mean so bleak a picture... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Sep 17 09:45:16 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:45:16 -0600 Subject: BOC: Boots -Reply Message-ID: Unfortunately, most of the BOC boots available are of the 3OC variety. There are a couple of European 'Imports' out there, listed in the FAQ [Beat ya to it, John!] but I'm not sure if they feature the original lineup or not. I think one is very similar to ETL, but again, I think it's with RD on drums not Al. Could be wrong on this one, though. I've got a couple at home, and I'll check them over to se what incarnation is on them... theo >>>>>>>>>> Theo- These are the "imports" I'm nterested in. If anyone has "the thing", "into the crypt of rays", or "nail you down" I'd love to trade. I'd rather have original line-up shows but since I don't have any shows, well, I'll take anything. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 17 09:53:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:53:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: >It's funny...I've only ever seen BOC live twice, once in '83 and then a couple of years ago... But in '83 Joe's song was "Fallen Angel" (boy was I surprised by that!), although he also had a lengthy bass solo, and they also did "I Love the Night" and "Golden Age of Leather," both of which surprised me. You saw a somewhat rare show - BOC did play in '83 a few times (I think they were club dates billed as "Soft White Underbelly" - one was one of the final, if not the final, show at My Father's Place in New York) where they brought out some rare stuff. At some of these shows, I think they also did "Transmaniacon MC". John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 17 10:02:21 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:02:21 -0400 Subject: BOC Setlists, sounds and the like 70's til now. Message-ID: >As for the setlist I don't know but maybe we are overlooking the obvious here. BOC can't go around changing the setlist drastically every two or three shows. No, but every 2 or 3 years would be good... >It occurs to me that while we would all like to hear something new if we do get EW it may in fact be the absolute last BOC album we will ever hear. It will have to justify someones investment to get another. Maybe we are better off without it. Nope - I disagree. Even if it turns out to be the last album BOC puts out, it would be better to be out. There are some killer songs on there, whether or not the world at large will ever know of them -- but we fans should get the opportunity to have them. Yes, I believe BOC owes its long-time fans on this one. Will I no longer be a fan if BOC were to announce that EW will never be released? No, but if there is an opportunity to release this album where the band can at least break even on it (and I firmly belive that can be done), then I believe it should be done. However, I have not come to speak of the end of BOC - sure, I don't think they'll be around in 10 or so years (its possible, but not likely), but I do think they've got a few more ahead and I'll enjoy the ride for as long as their around (and still spin the discs after that). John From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Sep 17 11:07:02 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:07:02 +1000 Subject: BOC Setlists, sounds and the like 70's til now. Message-ID: At 10:02 AM 17/09/97 -0400, John A Swartz wrote: >Nope - I disagree. Even if it turns out to be the last album BOC puts >out, it would be better to be out. There are some killer songs on there, >whether or not the world at large will ever know of them -- but we fans >should get the opportunity to have them. Yes, I believe BOC owes its >long-time fans on this one. Will I no longer be a fan if BOC were to >announce that EW will never be released? No, but if there is an opportunity >to release this album where the band can at least break even on it (and >I firmly belive that can be done), then I believe it should be done. >However, I have not come to speak of the end of BOC - sure, I don't think >they'll be around in 10 or so years (its possible, but not likely), but >I do think they've got a few more ahead and I'll enjoy the ride for as >long as their around (and still spin the discs after that). > >John > Thou art a true and worthy fan, Herre Swartz. Long live BOC!!!!! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 17 10:15:35 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:15:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Boots Message-ID: >Unfortunately, most of the BOC boots available are of the 3OC variety. There are a couple of European 'Imports' out there, listed in the FAQ [Beat ya to it, John!] but I'm not sure if they feature the original lineup or not. I think one is very similar to ETL, but again, I think it's with RD on drums not Al. There are 3 what I call "major" boot CDs of BOC. They are: "The Thing!" - New York 1981 - Original lineup (only about a month before Albert would leave the band), many of the songs that are on ETL are on this recording, but also some that aren't. The above recording is a double CD. There also exists a single-CD version that has about 3/4 of the tracks under the names "Godzilla" or "Burning For You". Get the double CD version though if you can. "Nail You Down" (also a version w/same tracks called "Rock and Roll Reapers") California 1983 - A few semi-rare songs as far as setlists go, including "Born to Rock" and "Workshop of the Telescopes" (oh, by the way, "The Thing!" has recordings of "Fire of Unknown Origin" and "Heavy Metal: The Black and Silver") "Into the Crypts of Rays" - California, 1986 (I think it was Jon Rogers 7th BOC gig) - only about 60 minutes long (the other 2 are around 90), but has some interesting tracks, most notably "Wings of Mercury". Also has 3 tracks from a '84 performance in England (including "Shooting Shark" and "Let Go"). All of these are very good quality recordings. There presumably is a CD around which has a 1992 performance on it in Moscow, Idaho. I haven't heard anything more about it, and am still trying to get a copy. If anyone can provide assistance, please let me know. John From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Sep 17 10:49:50 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:49:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: I saw BOC do Born To Rock and Fallen Angel in the same show in 83 at Alfred. Hearing Fallen Angel was the biggest surprise and all time favorite BOC live tune. Loved Joe playing riffs from "Money" also. chuck From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 17 10:24:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:24:45 +0100 Subject: HW in NME gig ad shocker! Message-ID: Ad seen in today's NME for the London gig Oct 31st, at the Empire. Support is Banco De Gaia and Cybernaut it's a 2.00 A.M. finish and tix are a snip at 12 1/2 quid. same price as Spiritualised at the Albert Hall. mind you, The Verve were only 8.50 (#1!!!!! OK it's not their best song and it's a bit like HW getting to #1 with Zarozinia but, hey, my boys at #1!!!, well, the last time this happened was when I was seven and Little Jimmy took Long-Haired Lover from Liverpool all the way!) After decades of following bands like Hawkwind and Cardiacs, it's great to see someone I've followed for years finally break thru. Do check out "A Storm In Heaven" for a great dark psyche LP. Hey, even MOJO describes them today as "the best we have"! The Verve list stinks, though. Is there anywhere else like BOC-L? -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 17 11:49:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:49:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Needle Moose Message-ID: > > Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > I believe Tarantino lived in Amsterdam for a while polishing the > > script for Pulp Fiction. I take it his movies are huge in Holland? > > Hehe, Pulp Fiction. Yes, it's true about the mayonaise... :-) The best frittes i ever had were from that place on Damrak, on the right hand side of the street as you're heading away from the train station. But i think the guy that runs it is Belgian. The funniest thing is the 'sauce Americain,' which like 'steak Americain' is something completely unknown in the US. Actually, Steak Tartare is served in upscale US restaurants, but I doubt if more that 2 perccent of all Americans even know what it is, let alone have tried it! I did try an order of frittes with American sauce, and I thought it was pretty good. Genreally I don't put anything on them if they're good. Even though frittes are big here, nobody knows how to make them right. Remember I'm married to a Belgian, hence my obsesseion with frittes! > Well, the usual hype, I would say. I thought it was nice to see a film made that way, You mean that it's non-linear, like a novel? That was his idea all along. Reservoir Dogs is done the same way. I find it totally fascinating... > but to me and according to the title also to Tarantino, the film is as much wo rth as > other pulp. It "inspired" some others to make films like that, and those are even worse. > "Doom Generation" is probably the worst film ever. IMHO, that is. > > Jerry Interesting. I was totally blown away by Pulp Fiction, as were the judges at Cannes. I'm surprised you didn't like it more. I suspect that the repeated references to American pop culture may have escaped a lot of non-Americans who saw it. Maybe it's the sort of flick where you just have to be an American to appreciate it? Funny, as Tarantino's biggest influence is Renoir [the filmmaker not the painter] and he loves japanese cinema too... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 17 12:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:02:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: #1's (was Re:HW in NME gig ad shocker!) In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Wed, 17 Sep 97 15:24 +0100 Message-ID: On 17 Sep 15:24, Jon Browne wrote: > #1!!!, well, the last time this happened was when I was seven and Little > Jimmy took Long-Haired Lover from Liverpool all the way!) ROTFL! Didn't Chumbawamba and Credit To The Nation get to #1 with Enough Is Enough? Or was my amazement just that they charted at all? Which reminds me, I haven't heard Tubthumping yet. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Sep 17 12:07:59 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:07:59 +0200 Subject: HW: London gig (31.10.1997) Message-ID: Hi folks Me and some friends are planning to go to the HAWKWIND London gig (31.10.1997) and want to order our ticket in the next couple of days. But I need a phone- or a fax number from the London Empire venue Is there anyone who can help me? Thanks in advance! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Sep 17 11:51:48 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:51:48 +0200 Subject: T-shirt Message-ID: Hi folks I am looking for the HAWKWIND T-Shirt (with gig dates on the back) from the small US HAWK tour. Anyone interested to trade this shirt in return for some tapes? Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 17 12:29:12 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:29:12 +0100 Subject: HW: tour arranging In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:14:44 +0100 Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Does anyone know if Redcar is still happening (the night before Whitby) > and/or does anyone know a number for the venue so I can get a ticket? Where's Redcar? FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 17 12:32:25 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:32:25 +0100 Subject: London gig (31.10.1997) Message-ID: > But I need a phone- or a fax number from the London Empire venue +44 181 740 7474 - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 17 12:35:17 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:35:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: >Loved Joe playing riffs from "Money" also. Yeah, he was also playing that in his bass solo in 1982 when I saw him at the Worcester Centrum - great show, as some of you tape traders (e.g. Manuel + theo) know ;-) John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Sep 17 12:39:47 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:39:47 +0200 Subject: London gig (31.10.1997) In-Reply-To: <01BCC38F.B3EFAD20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: >+44 181 740 7474 Thanks Andy Bernhard From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 17 13:01:44 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:01:44 +0100 Subject: HW: tour arranging In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:29:12 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > J Strobridge writes: > > > Does anyone know if Redcar is still happening (the night before Whitby) > > and/or does anyone know a number for the venue so I can get a ticket? > > Where's Redcar? > > FoFP > Just up the road from Whitby, close to Middlesborough and somewhat NE of Darlington. And having looked at the map - if anyone is being put off by the thought of camping in a September gale the good news is that the farm is only a couple of miles south of Whitby itself and looks easily walkable from the town. So comfort-lovers could probably get a hotel or B&B and then just stroll lazily in. Just a thought. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 17 13:00:39 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:00:39 EDT Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Loved Joe playing riffs from "Money" also. > > Yeah, he was also playing that in his bass solo in 1982 when I saw him > at the Worcester Centrum - great show, as some of you tape traders > (e.g. Manuel + theo) know ;-) > > John Ouch! I knew all this talk of tape trading would come back to haunt me... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 17 14:17:16 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:17:16 +0000 Subject: HW in NME gig ad shocker! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:24 17.09.97 +0100, you wrote: >Ad seen in today's NME for the London gig Oct 31st, at the Empire. > >Support is Banco De Gaia and Cybernaut What do Banco De Gaia sound like? Just saw a 2nd hand copy today, some sort of Tibet concept album thingy... >The Verve list stinks, though. Found a tape with Gravity Grave on it, hadn't heard it since those wee baggy days, and it clicks on the spacerock receptors at full throttle now finally after all these years.... must get Verve! > Is there anywhere else like BOC-L? >-- >Jon Browne Just click your heels together and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home..." :-) Christian ObMuthafugginCosmicTrippfromTheYear3974: GONG - YOU'RE REMIXED From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 17 13:30:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:30:00 +0100 Subject: HW in NME gig ad shocker! In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's mail of Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:17 +0000 Message-ID: On 17 Sep 19:17, Christian Mumford wrote: > What do Banco De Gaia sound like? Ambient techno, IIRC. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Sep 17 14:37:16 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:16 EST Subject: HW: The Bruces Message-ID: I managed to ride back to NYC from Strange Daze with Chris & Mary, and they detailed a bit of their legal troubles. They have indeed been evicted, and are temporarily crashing at a friend's pad. The published Kadu Flyer address is no more. I also agree with Scott's posting, there will never be another issue of Kadu Flyer. C&M didn't say that to me, but it seems quite obvious from the tale they related to me. And based on their current state of affairs, anyone to whom they owe money will probably not be getting any of it, EVER. I managed to track down the web page describing the arrest of Chris Bruce after getting the URL from Scott's posting. I had to backtrack thru the site's search service (search on "Chris Bruce") before it would let me have the page, though. That addy again was: http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/archive/051597/029484_0_alleged_0515 97_83d5359002.html The search engine is on the "../cambridge" page. I've excerpted here a brief portion of this article that has some overlap into the HW community, as such: "I don't understand where they get the information they're claiming they have," Bruce said Monday in a telephone conversation. "It's BS. Obviously, there's somebody who's got my name on their list. Like they say, innocent until proven guilty." Bruce said he is a recording engineer and producer by trade and has worked for bands from Europe. He directed all other questions to his attorney, Richard Parellis, who refused to comment. Police claim that Bruce's alleged buyers knew it was his stuff because it was marked "MUSIC." He allegedly made sales to people in Harvard Square in particular, but also in Central Square, East Cambridge and North Cambridge. One tenant claimed Bruce's telephone answering machine left messages, such as "we're not having a concert next week" as a signal. When called Monday, his message described a music newsletter that features a band with "live astounding sounds from 1976 coming out in June." Tenants describe Bruce as "very nervous," but well-dressed and with a nice smile. HW as a drug? "Give me a dose of those Live Astounding Soundz, please..." :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at Hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 17 16:36:46 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:36:46 +0000 Subject: HW: The Bruces & the Karma police.... In-Reply-To: <9708178745.AA874528636@ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Do any of the other Hawkzines distribute any good smack? sorry :), Christian ObHWlyric: "my supply is running low, running low, running low..." From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Sep 17 15:08:38 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:08:38 -0700 Subject: HW in NME gig ad shocker! Message-ID: >What do Banco De Gaia sound like? The local paper's music reviewer today said they're alot like Echoes/Set The Controls era Floyd, with less vocals. He raved most effusively. scorch From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Sep 17 17:37:25 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:37:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: <199709171248.NAA11533@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: >Granted -- this thread follows a time-honoured boc-l tradition of someone >posting a panicky-sounding message, and various people (myself included) >making all sorts of assumptions. Maybe Dale (have I got your name right?) >could give us an update on the situation? Well, yes you got my name right but I'm a little sceptical about posting anything to the group because things get pretty out of hand. Suffice to say that the promoter in question is being brough to bear, the current tour itinery is up on the site and you will see that advertsments for the gigs have been distributed. In light of this and other events on the list (and due to the large amount of non-Hawkwind mail I already receive by being on it), I will not be participating in the list in the future. Any questions about the band's activities can be sent to Star_Rats at hawkwind.com or viewed from the web site, which is updated as soon as I receive new information from either EMI, the band or EBS. Signing off, Star Rats From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Sep 17 08:44:21 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:44:21 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind Troubles Message-ID: On 16 Sep 97 at 17:13, John Majka wrote: > With this most recent tour of > 4 shows with bad turnouts, what's that all about? I expect they must have > lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price at > Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost money at > three shows and made a small profit at one. Well, I have no idea how it went financially, but I do know that Dave feels that it was a successful tour (his own words). I'm not sure what that says about all this ... Sonique (quietly following this thread with intense interest re: Oz Tour in Jan) -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Sep 17 08:44:21 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:44:21 +1000 Subject: off:Pseudo Sun Message-ID: On 16 Sep 97 at 18:26, Miikka Wagner wrote: > Hi! > > Receive today Pseudo Sun (ex darxtar J.Nurmenniemi) cd. This is very good > space rock stuff, they have own style, not sound darxtar at all. Dunno. It's a great CD, but listen to Daybreak right after it ... Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 17 22:06:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:06:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live 1976: JAMS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, just picked this up, only knowing BOC from Workshop/Career/Imaginos and some cheezy comps, on sale. Well, I love this! I actually bought it to trade off (hmmm...) but now I'm not so sure - those crazy/droning (?) jams in the middle of Astronomy and Buck's Boogie are wild, well - psychedelic! The delivery/energy of the performances are scorchingly hot! Now I know where that krunchy version of Born To Be Wild is from........ Christian PS: remember, I'm into Hawkwind and don't give a rat's ass about sound quality - actually I prefer alot of crap recordings! :) From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Sep 18 12:21:06 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:21:06 EST Subject: Bye for now In-Reply-To: ; from "Jon Browne" at Sep 17, 97 03:24:45 pm Message-ID: I am unsubscribing for a while,as Im getting married. Sonique I will mail you directly when I get back for any News. regards Marty From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 17 23:02:17 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:02:17 PDT Subject: HW: The Bruces Message-ID: Argghh...bite tongue.... >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Sep 17 10:42:30 1997 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/NYNET-2.2) with ESMTP id NAA22992; > Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 23320 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 17 Sep > 1997 13:38:10 -0400 >Received: from hpsc.hisd.harris.com (sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > [158.147.127.2]) by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/NYNET-2.2) with > ESMTP id NAA22984 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 > 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (ccmail [158.147.128.102]) by > hpsc.hisd.harris.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29959 for > ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from ccMail by ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com id AA874528636 Wed, 17 Sep > 97 13:37:16 EST >Encoding: 2619 Text >Message-ID: <9708178745.AA874528636 at ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:37:16 EST >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: cjohnson >Subject: Re: HW: The Bruces >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > I managed to ride back to NYC from Strange Daze with Chris & Mary, > and they detailed a bit of their legal troubles. They have indeed > been evicted, and are temporarily crashing at a friend's pad. The > published Kadu Flyer address is no more. > > I also agree with Scott's posting, there will never be another > issue of Kadu Flyer. C&M didn't say that to me, but it seems quite > obvious from the tale they related to me. And based on their > current state of affairs, anyone to whom they owe money will > probably not be getting any of it, EVER. > > > I managed to track down the web page describing the arrest of Chris > Bruce after getting the URL from Scott's posting. I had to > backtrack thru the site's search service (search on "Chris Bruce") > before it would let me have the page, though. > > That addy again was: > > http://www.townonline.com/cambridge/archive/051597/029484_0_alleged_0515 > 97_83d5359002.html > > The search engine is on the "../cambridge" page. > > I've excerpted here a brief portion of this article that has some > overlap into the HW community, as such: > > "I don't understand where they get the information they're > claiming they have," Bruce said Monday in a telephone > conversation. "It's BS. Obviously, there's somebody who's got my > name on their list. Like they say, innocent until proven guilty." > > Bruce said he is a recording engineer and producer by trade and > has worked for bands from Europe. He directed all other questions > to his attorney, Richard Parellis, who refused to comment. > > Police claim that Bruce's alleged buyers knew it was his stuff > because it was marked "MUSIC." He allegedly made sales to people > in Harvard Square in particular, but also in Central Square, East > Cambridge and North Cambridge. > > One tenant claimed Bruce's telephone answering machine left > messages, such as "we're not having a concert next week" as a > signal. When called Monday, his message described a music > newsletter that features a band with "live astounding sounds from > 1976 coming out in June." > > Tenants describe Bruce as "very nervous," but well-dressed and > with a nice smile. > > HW as a drug? "Give me a dose of those Live Astounding Soundz, > please..." :-) > > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at Hpsc.hisd.harris.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Sep 17 23:08:09 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:08:09 PDT Subject: HW: The Bruces & the Karma police.... Message-ID: arrghhh...ewww ...that was cruel.... >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Sep 17 11:46:09 1997 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/NYNET-2.2) with ESMTP id OAA23259; > Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 23377 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 17 Sep > 1997 14:40:29 -0400 >Received: from online.no (pilt.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by listserv.spc.edu > (8.8.5/8.8.5/NYNET-2.2) with ESMTP id OAA23252 for > ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from netsurfer.online.no (ti01a07-0012.dialup.online.no > [130.67.1.204]) by online.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA05563 for > ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:40:25 +0200 (MET DST) >X-Sender: bjaanaes at online.no >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970917203646.00714518 at online.no> >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:36:46 +0000 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Christian Mumford >Subject: Re: HW: The Bruces & the Karma police.... >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: <9708178745.AA874528636 at ccmail.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> > >Do any of the other Hawkzines distribute any good smack? > >sorry :), >Christian > >ObHWlyric: "my supply is running low, running low, running low..." > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Sep 18 01:09:44 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:09:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set lists Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-17 09:53:31 EDT, you write: << You saw a somewhat rare show - BOC did play in '83 a few times (I think they were club dates billed as "Soft White Underbelly" >> Actually, this was a pretty big concert at Penn State...April or May of 1983. They had a bunch of tractor trailers full of equipment there, the giant Godzilla, Eric's bike, lots of special effects for ETI and Joan Crawford...it was a great show! Even without any of my favorite BOC tunes...:-) They did do Born to Rock from the Buck Dharma solo album, however. This was a number of months before the release of Revolution by Night, and they didn't do any of the songs from that album. They also covered not only Born to be Wild but Roadhouse Blues and I Ain't Got You as well, the latter of which was another surprise to me (I'd figured they'd stopped doing that song by the mid-seventies...). SET SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Sep 18 01:18:43 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:18:43 -0400 Subject: Joe solo in '83 Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-17 10:51:18 EDT, you write: << Loved Joe playing riffs from "Money" also. >> Is that what that was? I was just starting to really get into music at the time, and I recognized the riffs during the bass solo as something familiar (and it really got the crowd going), but I had no idea what it was, and since I (obviously) haven't heard the solo since then, I still had no idea...hmmm... SET From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Sep 18 03:54:36 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:54:36 -0600 Subject: HW in NME gig ad shocker! Message-ID: John McCartney wrote: > >What do Banco De Gaia sound like? > > The local paper's music reviewer today said they're alot like > Echoes/Set The Controls era Floyd, with less vocals. He raved > most effusively. Hmmm...sounds tasty to me:) If you don't want it-pick it up for me:) (just kidding!! NOT! ;-)Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hi! I wanted to publicly thank John Villani for providing me (via trades) with a stupedously pleasent evening. With what I recieved from him,and a couple I had,I enjoyed an entire evening with Spiral Realms, Simon House, and a bit of Hawkwind to top it off. Thank you again John! Great job!! To set it all off, the weather is on the stormy side tonite-with an awesome full moon peeking and sneaking through the clouds!! Nice all around, and truly an enjoyable evening:) Rock on, Pam Obcd: Eloy "Performance" -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool On 17 Sep 22:37, Star Rats wrote: > Well, yes you got my name right but I'm a little sceptical about posting > anything to the group because things get pretty out of hand. > > Suffice to say that the promoter in question is being brought to bear, the > current tour itinery is up on the site and you will see that advertsments > for the gigs have been distributed. So which gigs have been cancelled? We heard that the Dundee club never signed, and you told us that the Milton Keynes one has cancelled. The Glasgow club has had it's license temporarily revoked, and I don't know whether it will be back "on-line" in time for the gig. Are there any others? In your first message, you suggested that the entire tour was in trouble, and asked everyone for their comments. Now you're saying that all is now in order? That only one promoter was wobbly? > In light of this and other events on the list (and due to the large amount > of non-Hawkwind mail I already receive by being on it), I will not be > participating in the list in the future. I think that is a shame, and I hope that you change your mind. We all appreciate the huge amount of work that you do on the web site. Remember that there are many more people on this list than those who replied to you. (BTW, if the non-HW mail you get is the BOC stuff, you can cut out a large amount of it by setting the filters appropriately on the server). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 18 04:52:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:52:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970917163725.00698ebc@mail.io.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970917163725.00698ebc at mail.io.com>, Star Rats writes > >Well, yes you got my name right but I'm a little sceptical about posting >anything to the group because things get pretty out of hand. Out of whose hand? Sorry, but I was never in hand! And anyway, what kind of response do you expect to "several gigs have been cancelled"? Of course we're going to talk about it. > >Suffice to say that the promoter in question is being brough to bear, the >current tour itinery is up on the site and you will see that advertsments >for the gigs have been distributed. Gosh, only two days after your question about them. Well, stop the press! Now *that's* efficient! So who was being alarmist, us or you? You told us of a problem, we made some suggestions for a solution. Any solution includes correct identification of the source of the problem. > >In light of this and other events on the list (and due to the large amount >of non-Hawkwind mail I already receive by being on it), Rotten isn't it, all these posts about Mooses. Why can't we all stick to the subject like other lists. What other events anyway? Alan's departure being denied perhaps? Evidently, This list is just a hangout for degenerate unruly anarchists with no proper respect for authority, in *whatever* form. STONEHENGE, MAN! ***question the nature of your orders*** >I will not be >participating in the list in the future. Any questions about the band's >activities can be sent to Star_Rats at hawkwind.com or viewed from the web >site, which is updated as soon as I receive new information from either >EMI, the band or EBS. Oh cheery bye, then! Are you going to take your ball with you? > >Signing off, > Star Rats -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 18 06:16:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:16:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:52 +0100 Message-ID: On 18 Sep 09:52, Jon Browne wrote: > Oh cheery bye, then! Are you going to take your ball with you? He can't, I've nicked it. I'm organising a challenge match against the moose underground. ObVaguelyOnTopic: How about a HW vs. BOC footie match sometime? No talent required (not if I'm to play, anyway :-)). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 18 09:09:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:09:33 +0000 Subject: Banco De Gaia / HW in NME gig ad shocker! In-Reply-To: <3420DE3B.3CA1A8C2@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 01:54 18.09.97 -0600, you wrote: >John McCartney wrote: > >> >What do Banco De Gaia sound like? >> >> The local paper's music reviewer today said they're alot like >> Echoes/Set The Controls era Floyd, with less vocals. He raved >> most effusively. > >Hmmm...sounds tasty to me:) If you don't want it-pick it up for me:) >(just kidding!! NOT! ;-)Pam How's this: I'll pick it up, and if I don't like it we can trade it :) If not, then......??? :) Christian ObPissedOff: Ordering an ICU & HW boot, but the guy who sendt it puts no customs label from UK, so I need trek an hour to the customs office to pick it up, so *I* won't have to pay a fee for the customs people to open it for me!!!!! Argh. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 18 07:41:48 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:41:48 EDT Subject: Eric's Axe Message-ID: Nice write up in this month's Guitar Shop featuring Eric's new signature model guitar. Includes a nice picture of it. Should have shown EB playing it. Calls Eric a metal legend, and several other nice compliments. This magazine has a soft spot for BOC. Their editor once said that CoFWRaR should be the national anthem! And BD used to write a monthly column for the mag... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* I use magnets in electric guitar pickups--ask me how From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 18 07:43:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:43:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Live 1976: JAMS!! Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > Hey, > > just picked this up, only knowing BOC from Workshop/Career/Imaginos > and some cheezy comps, on sale. Well, I love this! I actually > bought it to trade off (hmmm...) but now I'm not so sure - those > crazy/droning (?) jams in the middle of Astronomy and Buck's Boogie > are wild, well - psychedelic! The delivery/energy of the performances > are scorchingly hot! Now I know where that krunchy version of Born To > Be Wild is from........ > > Christian > > PS: remember, I'm into Hawkwind and don't give a rat's ass > about sound quality - actually I prefer alot of crap recordings! :) This album features some of Al's most furious drumming too. Sound quality goes in and out, but it isn't a bad record at all... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* I use magnets in electric guitar pickups--ask me how From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Sep 18 09:59:45 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Live 1976: JAMS!! Message-ID: From: Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] > Hey, > just picked this up, only knowing BOC from Workshop/Career/Imaginos > and some cheezy comps, on sale. Well, I love this! I actually > bought it to trade off (hmmm...) but now I'm not so sure - those > crazy/droning (?) jams in the middle of Astronomy and Buck's Boogie > are wild, well - psychedelic! The delivery/energy of the performances > are scorchingly hot! Now I know where that krunchy version of Born To > Be Wild is from........ And don't forget, "Rock and Rooooooooolllllllllala. Woo! All right!" That's my favorite version of Cities, just ahead of Ciudades y Navidades from tBS Career of Christmas tape. I also enjoy Stairway to the Stars. You should see the video! It's so bad it's funny. > PS: remember, I'm into Hawkwind and don't give a rat's ass > about sound quality - actually I prefer alot of crap recordings! :) And you know it's going to be a crap recording when the first thing you hear is the intro being cut-off. "...DC, capitol of the universe." Why doesn't Mr. Carter let us drive 90mph, with headphones on, while we're smoking the finest Colombian, and wearing sunglasses at night? It just ain't right! Brian --------------------------------------------------- Brian Halligan Copywriter Intern Buck & Pulleyn brianh at pulleyn.com "It was only a practice brain. I did pretty well with it." -Mike Black --------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3446 bytes Desc: not available URL: From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Sep 18 09:59:28 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:59:28 +0200 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 2? In-Reply-To: <9709180858.AA25561@sentry.novo.dk> Message-ID: If you missed the Strange Daze Festival in NY this last Labor Day, don't make any plans for October 18, because there's mini space rock festival happening that day in Baltimore, MD! You'll have another opportunity to catch a few of the bands that shared the stage with Hawkwind and Nik Turner at the Strange Daze Festival. It's The Orion Space Rock Festival starting at 3 pm at the Orion Sound Studios, 2903 Whittington Avenue, Baltimore, MD, on Saturday, October 18,1997. The bands playing are Alien Planetscapes, Architectural Metaphor, Escapade, Quarkspace, And Fingerpaint. There will be a full blown light show that will accompany the bands! For more information, call (410) 646-7334 after 2 pm or visit The Progressive Rock Web Site on the Internet at http://www.ari?????????.net/prog/ I got this message from Greg of Arc Met! ObCs- Ouskirts of Infinity- Odense, Denmark 10/93 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From micci at SCI.FI Thu Sep 18 10:06:00 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:06:00 +0300 Subject: off:Pseudo Sun Message-ID: >On 16 Sep 97 at 18:26, Miikka Wagner wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Receive today Pseudo Sun (ex darxtar J.Nurmenniemi) cd. This is very good >> space rock stuff, they have own style, not sound darxtar at all. > >Dunno. It's a great CD, but listen to Daybreak right after it ... > That?s true! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// Miikka Wagner \/\/ Email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Sep 18 10:53:59 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:53:59 +0200 Subject: BOC: Recent shows Message-ID: Daniel Ligon wrote: >On Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 01:23:25PM +1000, Troy Harris said: >> >> Who is the drummer this week? > >I've probably misspelled the name, but it's Bobby Longinella. ...ehrm, it's more like Bobby SHORTinelli... :-) -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Sep 18 11:07:26 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:07:26 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze - Labor of Love / Labor of Lo$$ Message-ID: >> I expect they must have >>lost a lot of money on this tour, unless most the $40.00 ticket price >at >>Strange Daze went to the Hawks, in which case they would have lost >money at >>three shows and made a small profit at one. > > No. Jim made sure the band was taken care of. Any losses were >absorbed by the promoters. This was a labor of love, folks. > > >Wylie Yes indeed, Jim Lascko took the loss on Strange Daze 97. We (B0RN to G0) made $100 gas money from the event (as did most of the other bands) which I asked Jim to keep to defray his own significantly greater expenses (he wouldn't). He also took much of the loss on the mini-tour. I have suggested that he should use the 24-track ADAT copy of the gig to issue a Strange Daze 97 CD to make up for the loss and get some money together for the show next year, but I don't think that has has the financial resources available to do that right now. Any ideas? I and (B0RN to G0) would be happy to help him out in any way we can. He's a great guy and he has given SpaceRock in the USA one hell of a boost. In Space we Trust, Marc. ---- Yeah, I know, I must get around to updating this. "Freemasons talk about it all the time, their hands at funny angles, In the moonlight, it resembles a biscuit tin that dangles" -- The Beast Box, Howard Devoto From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Sep 18 11:23:06 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:23:06 +0200 Subject: Strange Daze - Labor of Love / Labor of Lo$$ Message-ID: Marc: > >Yes indeed, Jim Lascko took the loss on Strange Daze 97. >We (B0RN to G0) made $100 gas money from the event (as >did most of the other bands) which I asked Jim to keep to >defray his own significantly greater expenses (he wouldn't). BTW, where's my "free spacerock tape"? halavah -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 18 11:24:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:24:32 EDT Subject: Strange Daze - Labor of Love / Labor of Lo$$ Message-ID: > From: Marc Power > > > No. Jim made sure the band was taken care of. Any losses were > >absorbed by the promoters. This was a labor of love, folks. > > > > > >Wylie > > > I have suggested that he should use the 24-track ADAT copy of the > gig to issue a Strange Daze 97 CD to make up for the loss and get > some money together for the show next year, but I don't think that > has has the financial resources available to do that right now. > > Any ideas? Marc, What would be a ballpark figure to produce the CDs? Maybe you could ask those on the various newsgroups to get an idea how many people would buy it. If you could realistically get enough people interested to break even, then you might ask for prepayment with a self-addressed return envelope. If you couldn't make the nut for the production, you could always send everyone their dough back. I realize this sounds naive and simplistic, but ya never know... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* I use magnets in electric guitar pickups--ask me how From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 18 11:51:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:51:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: Eric Bloom has reportedly posted on the AOL BOC board that BOC is currently not adding any more shows to its schedule until work on the new album has been finished. I haven't seen the post myself, but some AOL fans mentioned this on Jack's online bulletin board, so I know the information is credible, although I don't have the exact words used. Some will see this as a good thing - that is BOC is nearing the completion of "Ezekiels' Wheel", and is putting their maximum effort into the product. Others may see this as some sort of indication that BOC is either breaking up or going AWOL. Please note that I have no information to support such ideas, but I know that there are many cynics when it comes to BOC. I'm just posting what I know, and am optimistic that if "Ezekiel's Wheel" is in fact going to be released, then the work on it will be completed soon, and I find that encouraging. John From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 18 12:01:25 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Saying goodbye In-Reply-To: Star Rats's message of Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: Dear Dale, Star Rats writes: > Well, yes you got my name right but I'm a little sceptical about posting > anything to the group because things get pretty out of hand. > > Suffice to say that the promoter in question is being brough to bear, the > current tour itinery is up on the site and you will see that advertsments > for the gigs have been distributed. > > In light of this and other events on the list (and due to the large amount > of non-Hawkwind mail I already receive by being on it), I will not be > participating in the list in the future. Any questions about the band's > activities can be sent to Star_Rats at hawkwind.com or viewed from the web > site, which is updated as soon as I receive new information from either > EMI, the band or EBS. > > Signing off, You probably won't get this in time but I'm sorry to see you are leaving and I'm sorry you feel this way and I'm particularly sorry you are taking so personally what are, after all, just people's opinions. Maybe they are wrong opinions - maybe they are so astronomically wrong and ill-informed that they resemble nothing more divorced from reality than the opinion (widely held) that no man has ever stood upon the surface of the Moon. But such is the nature of things. If people *are* misinformed then surely all it needs is to point this out. You are clearly MUCH closer to the band and its organisational structure than many other folk I know and I would respect your opinion even as a simple "you are completely wrong in every sense in this instance" statement. And if you wish to say nothing more than that then, fine, there's no requirement to expand on details or to take misinformed opinion as an insult either to the band or anyone else. In fact, two immediately interesting points did seem to me to emerge: Firstly: that people care about the band and are desperate to offer advice, opinions, views or anything else that might help out. These may be misdirected but it's a bit harsh to condemn folk for caring. Secondly: that people hold the opinions they do. Whether these views are right or wrong, the fact is that this is how people view the situation. If they are wrong then something in the profile of how the band is presented to people is wrong. If this *is* the case then perhaps it is something that needs looking at urgently. Maybe some quiet sensible public relations would do more than anything else to help. But then Hawkwind have never really been much into the public relations scene (as far as I am aware!). As I say I'm sorry you feel annoyed enough to leave but also many thanks for the contributions you have made while being here. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Sep 18 12:12:22 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:12:22 -0600 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 09/18/97 09:51am >>> [snip] Some will see this as a good thing - that is BOC is nearing the completion of "Ezekiels' Wheel", and is putting their maximum effort into the product. Others may see this as some sort of indication that BOC is either breaking up or going AWOL. Please note that I have no information to support such ideas, but I know that there are many cynics when it comes to BOC. I'm just posting what I know, and am optimistic that if "Ezekiel's Wheel" is in fact going to be released, then the work on it will be completed soon, and I find that encouraging. John >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am always cynical :) But I must admit that this seems like a good sign. I don't think they would be quitting this way. At this point, with Bucks apparent enthusiasm, I think they are still enjoying BOC and don't want to quit. Keep your fingers crossed for a new album. Maybe by Christmas??? :) Of course now that I'm being positive they will announce next week that they have quit the "biz" for good :( Life is just like that And that's all I've got to say about that- (Forest Gump) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Sep 18 12:31:50 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:31:50 -0600 Subject: Banco De Gaia / HW in NME gig ad shocker! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > How's this: I'll pick it up, and if I don't like it we can trade it :) > > If not, then......??? :) sounds good to me!Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool I just got the first issue - pretty groovy stuff! This is going to be a lot of fun! Worth checking out your local comics shop for (or I bet Jon can sort you out if you can't find a copy!) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 18 12:52:34 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:52:34 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse Message-ID: Tell me more, issue date. publication info...Thanks!!! Teri From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Sep 18 12:57:18 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:57:18 -0500 Subject: HW: EBS Reissues?!? Message-ID: At CDNow, they are listing "limited editions" of Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack for $29.99. These are apparently issued by The Emergency Broadcast System. What's so limited about them? Do they have cool packaging/remastering like the EMI reissues? I haven't heard anyone say a word about these things! Does anyone know anything about them? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Sep 18 12:57:37 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:57:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > >Well, yes you got my name right but I'm a little sceptical about posting > >anything to the group because things get pretty out of hand. > > Out of whose hand? Sorry, but I was never in hand! And anyway, what kind > of response do you expect to "several gigs have been cancelled"? > Of course we're going to talk about it. out of doug smith's biggest fan's hands, i'd say. i wasn't going to say anything, and probably shouldn't. but this is at least the third time he's done this. i mean coming on the list, opening a subject,then stepping back far enough to get pissed about how people discuss what he's brought up. a regular fisherman. i can only speak for myself, but i was called by DS and asked to promote a show, using only what meager resources were available to me. despite being unemployed, and uncertain about the future, i was willing to dedicate what time and money i had left to the project. i HAD a connection at the trocadero in philly. all i needed from DS was a promo packet (which i was promised, but never got), and some dates (which i also never got, not even ball-park) by the time i had enough info to make a presentation, my connection had decided that i was full of shit, and wont even talk to me. also, ds said no ticketmaster, etc, so i was going to be shelling out cash with no idea how much i was going to lose. when the band was scurrying around trying to get their flight and visa's together, DS was in germany promoting "chubba wubba" or whatever their name is. i know this because the band was calling my wife, thru the week b4 the gigs, frantically trying to make flight arrangements. Is management more concerned with passing blame than actually seeing that things get done? you rule jon. apologies for not submitting this post to star-rats for approval before posting. or maybe i should have submitted to DS. but-- my internet acct expires in december! rj > >Suffice to say that the promoter in question is being brough to bear, the > >current tour itinery is up on the site and you will see that advertsments > >for the gigs have been distributed. > > Gosh, only two days after your question about them. > Well, stop the press! Now *that's* efficient! > > So who was being alarmist, us or you? You told us of a problem, we made > some suggestions for a solution. Any solution includes correct > identification of the source of the problem. > > > > >In light of this and other events on the list (and due to the large amount > >of non-Hawkwind mail I already receive by being on it), > Rotten isn't it, all these posts about Mooses. Why can't we all stick to > the subject like other lists. What other events anyway? Alan's departure > being denied perhaps? > > Evidently, This list is just a hangout for degenerate unruly anarchists > with no proper respect for authority, in *whatever* form. > > STONEHENGE, MAN! > > ***question the nature of your orders*** > > >I will not be > >participating in the list in the future. Any questions about the band's > >activities can be sent to Star_Rats at hawkwind.com or viewed from the web > >site, which is updated as soon as I receive new information from either > >EMI, the band or EBS. > > Oh cheery bye, then! Are you going to take your ball with you? > > > > >Signing off, > > Star Rats > > -- > Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 18 13:18:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:18:47 +0100 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse Message-ID: On Thursday, September 18, 1997 5:53 PM, Teri Cruzan [SMTP:Brizo777 at AOL.COM] wrote: > Tell me more, issue date. publication info...Thanks!!! > Teri Oh I thought everyone knew about this! First of a projected 12-issue monthly series published by DC Comics under their Helix imprint, three continuing stories all written specially by MM, with art by Walter Simonson and others. Issue one just came out this week! The three stories are "Moonbeams and Roses", featuring Jack Karaquazian (of _Blood_ et al), "The Metatemporal Detective", featuring Sir Seaton Begg, who is on the trail of an albino killer who may be his relative Count Ulric von Bek of Mirenburg, and "Duke Elric", with a Saxon Elric who flees England just before the Norman conquest, and next issue will start the search for the city of T'aan-Al-Oorn... See what I mean by fun! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 18 13:27:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:27:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: > together, DS was in germany promoting "chubba wubba" or whatever their name > is. Ah, that explains everything! Chumbawumba had a freak smash number 2 hit single - which absolutely NOBODY was expecting, it's even weirder than when "Silver Machine" went massive - and the telephone's probably not stopped ringing at DS mansions... not exactly an excuse for taking his eye off the ball re: HW, but perhaps an explanation. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 18 13:30:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:30:03 EDT Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Eric Bloom has reportedly posted on the AOL BOC board that BOC is > currently not adding any more shows to its schedule until work on > the new album has been finished. I haven't seen the post myself, This is consistent with something BD said, either on one of the AOL chats or an interview in one of the gtr mags. He said that he wanted to concentrate more on recording and less on touring in the coming year. Now, whether he mean the completion of EW or some solo stuff or studio work for someone else is anyone's guess as he never made that clear and the questioner never followed it up... > but some AOL fans mentioned this on Jack's online bulletin board, > so I know the information is credible, although I don't have the > exact words used. Some will see this as a good thing - that is > BOC is nearing the completion of "Ezekiels' Wheel", and is putting > their maximum effort into the product. Others may see this as some > sort of indication that BOC is either breaking up or going AWOL. But why go all out on a record only to break up? The only thing for them to do, IF they're going to actually finish the album, is make sure it's the best production they are capable of, and them enthusiastically tour to promote it. When they play new stuff live, it always goes over very well with the crowd. I was extremely disappointed when I saw them at an outdoor festival last month and they didn't do any new stuff [granted, they only had an hour to play, yet they included drum and bass solos...]. They had a great opportunity to tell a huge crowd that they were still active and still recording new stuff, and not simply an oldies act playing schtick. However, the down side may be that they're actually packing it in, and that they won't finish the new reocord, and, indeed calling it quits. Another scenario might be that they plan on concentrating mainly on big, outdoor shows, and the season for them is essentially over for the year, and they are going to either finish the record, and maybe even work on some new stuff. Doesn't seem to me like they have a huge pool of potential material to record... Does anyone know how much the band gets for outdoor shows a la Summerdaze? Does this pay them enough to live on for a whole year? > Please note that I have no information to support such ideas, but > I know that there are many cynics when it comes to BOC. I'm just > posting what I know, and am optimistic that if "Ezekiel's Wheel" > is in fact going to be released, then the work on it will be > completed soon, and I find that encouraging. > > John I agree. I think EW is essentially done anyway, and any remaining work is likely to be a few guitar and vocal overdubs. Now, the other question is: who will release the record? The European deal is dead as disco, right? Does BOC own the masters? Must be, as they'd be nuts to work on a project that somebody has pulled out on. Release it themselves? Why not, it works for tBS. Buy the tapes from the record company? Sure, but it goes against the BOC penchant for cheapness. Has some smart company like Metal Blade or CMC put up the front money for them to finish up? Wise move if you ask me, as the record's essentially done. A good record company should jump all over this, and both those labels are smart enough to know how to work with groups like BOC, and more importantly, has the patinece to do so and the confidence in their bands' fan base to know that these kinds of records can work... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* I use magnets in electric guitar pickups--ask me how From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 18 15:49:20 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:49:20 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse In-Reply-To: <01BCC460.AA009280.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I got mine reserved - I'll boogie on down there tomorrow! Christian From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 18 13:55:16 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:55:16 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse Message-ID: Thanks for the info...can't wait to hit the comix shop...:-) Kids are after me to go there all the time, little do they know... Teri From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 18 14:34:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:34:54 +0100 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse Message-ID: On Thursday, September 18, 1997 6:55 PM, Teri Cruzan [SMTP:Brizo777 at AOL.COM] wrote: > Thanks for the info...can't wait to hit the comix shop...:-) > Kids are after me to go there all the time, little do they know... > Teri While you're there, if you see a copy of _Transmetropolitan_, you'll probably enjoy that too... - Andy ObVideo: Inner City Unit - "Paint Your Windows White" -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 18 15:44:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:44:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: >Now, whether he mean the completion of EW or some solo stuff or studio work for someone else is anyone's guess as he never made that clear and the questioner never followed it up... I believe I had heard that Buck say while he is 100% committed to BOC, the Buck Dharma band would probably play somewhere again in the future, perhaps for another noble cause. >But why go all out on a record only to break up? I don't think this is the case, BUT - one could be cynical and say that they are breaking up and have no intention of finishing the album and are just not telling, and by doing so keeping fan interest up for either the current catalog or whatever side-projects they may do. I don't believe that, but some might. PLEASE - DON'T ANYONE POST SAYING THAT BOC-L FOLKS BELIEVE THIS STUFF!! That is, I've seen posts on other forums where people say "I heard the following was said on BOC-L..." and then there is a number of people who offer some negative opinions based on this. I am NOT suggesting that this is what BOC is doing, and do not wish to be mis-quoted because of this post. >Now, the other question is: who will release the record? Don't know, but I gotta believe that SOMEBODY would be willing to - I suspect that there might be money issues, and the band wants the biggest profit obtainable (can't blame them), but I really believe that time is not on BOC's side - the longer they wait, the less fans and name recognition they will have. I imagine that a 1994 release of EW would have sold more copies than a 1998 release will - unless of course, somehow this record is picked up by the current music fans, perhaps with a hit single or something. That would be nice, but I want this album not because I have hopes that BOC will "make it big" again, but because BOC's current fans (myself included) have waited long enough. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 18 16:45:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:45:04 -0500 Subject: BOC - Ooops on EW Message-ID: >As for the setlist I don't know but maybe we are overlooking the obvious >here. BOC can't go around changing the setlist drastically every two or >three shows. >No, but every 2 or 3 years would be good... Thats usually the timing for replacing the drummer or bass player which leads back to "here kid learn the basics and a 1 and a 2..." >It occurs to me that while we would all like to hear something new if we do >get EW it may in fact be the absolute last BOC album we will ever hear. It >will have to justify someones investment to get another. Maybe we are better >off without it. >Nope - I disagree. Even if it turns out to be the last album BOC puts >out, it would be better to be out. There are some killer songs on there, >whether or not the world at large will ever know of them -- but we fans >should get the opportunity to have them. Yes, I believe BOC owes its >long-time fans on this one. Will I no longer be a fan if BOC were to >announce that EW will never be released? No, but if there is an opportunity >to release this album where the band can at least break even on it (and >I firmly belive that can be done), then I believe it should be done. >However, I have not come to speak of the end of BOC - sure, I don't think >they'll be around in 10 or so years (its possible, but not likely), but >I do think they've got a few more ahead and I'll enjoy the ride for as >long as their around (and still spin the discs after that). Ah man I really didn't mean to start this one again; but once started this old one gets a life of its own and then snowballs until people get pissed. Your right on this count better to have it if its the last one or the first of a few more. Wonder what happens though if EW goes over mega big and BOC believes it can run the arena circuit based on its sucess. Do we get more or less concert opportunities? L8er lil ab From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Sep 18 18:17:26 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:17:26 -0500 Subject: BOC - Ooops on EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey, just to drop you a line.....don't quote me on any of this, but I hear from some people that know......BOC already has the record deal worked out.....Eric doesn't want to let word out because he's afraid of jinxing the deal like what happened with Atlantic they are supposed to have the material ready to turn over to the label within a couple months....they re recorded some stuff so that Bobby Rondinelli could be on it...speculation is with all the packaging and everything to be done, album should be out by March..... also, Buck says BDB will do shows in the NE corridor in November "Don't report this"....... wow, new King's X and BOC in 98? what could be better? From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Sep 18 20:52:52 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:52:52 +0000 Subject: Stuff to trade!! Message-ID: Hey.... This is stuff I want to get out of here before the fuzz lock me up (again)... These discs are so hot you can fry a 50 pound laks on any of 'em! All CD's of course.... Hawkwind - Electric Tepee (Castle) NEW! SEALED! STILL IMPROVED! Family - Bandstand (Castle - non-remaster) NEW! UFO - Rock & Pop Legends (Disky) NEW! So good I have to share this... the spacey 70-72 stuff! Voivod - Negatron (Hypnotic) USED! Voivod - Best Of - Quite used! GREAT comp that got me buying all their CDs... cool cover of Astronomy Dominy too... Kula Shaker - K - Not used since I saw them live! Hahahaha! Doors - Crawling King Snakes - **WARNING** bootleg! report me while you can... somewhat used (not noticably really) The Matrix '67 show. Genesis - Spot The Pigeon CDEP - get it while you can! (the pigeon that is) Used and refused. Will trade for a pair of fresh polyester socks for the winter... Also have other stuff that is so crap I don't want to post it....:) Always looking for spacey stuff, especially some of those Cleopatra items, but anything goes really... Christian ...at cannibal at cutey.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Sep 18 23:30:34 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:30:34 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-18 12:34:37 EDT, you write: << (or I bet Jon can sort you out if you can't find a copy!) >> Hey, I can get a copy for anybody from my comics shop, too, y'know... :-) How many comics shop owners are on this list, anyway? Steven Tice Owner/Manager, Calliope Comics From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Sep 18 22:09:46 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:09:46 -0400 Subject: HW: The Bruces Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > I actually know Chris and Mary Bruce and got together with them 20 or > 30 > times while I lived in the boston area. Hi Scott, with all this talk of Chris and Mary, I was able to reflect on a few things. When I first met them it was on the 1990 tour in December. I did 3 gigs, one in Boston and two in Chicago. My contact was very limited, but I remember them, Doug Walker and that guy Jamie from WZBC were around a lot. On the 1991 tour, I was actually following them for around a week. We went to NYC, Asbury Park NJ, Phildelphia, Washington DC, Montreal and Ottawa. It was a great experience for me. I had exposure to HW, I remember talking to Mary for hours and hours because Chris would just kind of leave her with me. After they came from that tour, I visited them at their house a bunch of times and was mesmerised by the HW stuff they had. I remember that it was at their apartment that I first heard Ozric Tentacles. Chris was the first person that I ever heard mention Porcupine Tree. He used to tell me to get On The Sunday Of Life. I had it for a few months before that album hit me. I was just wanted to get across that I do have some fond memories from my experiences with them. Of course there are the less happy memories too. I am going to wind down. I sincerely hope that they get out from under that dark cloud following them around. I understand that they are not helpless victims, and have something to do with the direction that their life is in. End of that. And also, indirectly, it is through Chris and Mary that I know you. That sounds excellent, the Outskirts of Infinity soundboard tape. I look forward to that album coming out you mentioned. Is Lord of the Dark Skies available in Denmark? I do not have that one. You never answered me about whether you can get pictures with your email. I have those pictures I want to send you. I must get going. Sorry about the long note, Take care, Chris From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Sep 19 05:13:12 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:13:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: <199709180918.KAA06094@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > So which gigs have been cancelled? We heard that the Dundee club never > signed, and you told us that the Milton Keynes one has cancelled. The > Glasgow club has had it's license temporarily revoked, and I don't know > whether it will be back "on-line" in time for the gig. Are there any > others? I went to the Reading Alleycat venue last night, and despite them advertising HW as a forthcoming attraction about a month ago there is now no mention of them, certainly not for the original date of 29th. Looking at the official web site I can see no sign of the Cambridge gig, which is a shame. I had a chat with Jazza, and he sends his best wishes to one and all on bocl, and hopes to be back online in November. Mike w From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 06:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:00 +0100 Subject: HW: New album info Message-ID: The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: Distant Horizons Phetamine Waimea Canyon Drive Alchemy Clouded Vision Reptoid Vision Population Overload Wheels Kavai Taxi For Max Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 06:06:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:06:00 +0100 Subject: NIK, HW: re-releases: Xitintoday and The Maximum Effect Message-ID: Also in the CDS catalogue: Xitintoday. This is the original album from the 70s, on CD for the first time. Features Tim Blake, Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy. It should be ready late Sept./early Oct. The Maximum Effect. This is listed with six HW albums as on schedule for re-release. CDS expect a fair few to be out around late Sept./early Oct., with the remainder following at regular intervals. They don't give the order of release. The HW albums are: Hawklords Live, CotBS, Church, Out & Intake, PXR5 and Warrior. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 19 07:07:17 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:07:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:13:12 +0100 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > > > So which gigs have been cancelled? We heard that the Dundee club never > > signed, and you told us that the Milton Keynes one has cancelled. The > > Glasgow club has had it's license temporarily revoked, and I don't know > > whether it will be back "on-line" in time for the gig. Are there any > > others? > > I went to the Reading Alleycat venue last night, and despite them > advertising HW as a forthcoming attraction about a month ago there is now > no mention of them, certainly not for the original date of 29th. Looking > at the official web site I can see no sign of the Cambridge gig, which is > a shame. Glasgow was ok last time I checked - although I haven't gone back to confirm this. Redcar is still a maybe. A decision will be made there on Monday about whether or not they've sold enough tickets to go ahead with the show. However they are offering refunds so it's definitely worthwhile taking a risk and getting one in advance. The Dracfest still has loads of tickets for sale. Stripes Farm is situated just south of Whitby not all that far from the sea. However given that that part of the coastline tends to be cliffs - beach parties may not be advisable! > > I had a chat with Jazza, and he sends his best wishes to one and all on > bocl, and hopes to be back online in November. good news! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 06:38:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:38:51 +0100 Subject: HW/BOC: Michael Moorcock's Multiverse In-Reply-To: <01BCC458.1D642600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCC458.1D642600.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >I just got the first issue - pretty groovy stuff! This is going to be a lot >of fun! Worth checking out your local comics shop for (or I bet Jon can sort >you out if you can't find a copy!) > >- Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Erm, I got 40 in, ya know, just in case.... -- Jon Browne From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 19 09:13:36 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:13:36 -0400 Subject: NIK, HW: re-releases: Xitintoday and The Maximum Effect Message-ID: ---------- From: Dave Berry[SMTP:daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK] Sent: Friday, September 19, 1997 6:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: NIK, HW: re-releases: Xitintoday and The Maximum Effect Also in the CDS catalogue: Xitintoday. This is the original album from the 70s, on CD for the first time. Features Tim Blake, Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy. It should be ready late Sept./early Oct. YESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!! 'Bout time, too! The Maximum Effect. This is listed with six HW albums as on schedule for re-release. CDS expect a fair few to be out around late Sept./early Oct., with the remainder following at regular intervals. They don't give the order of release. The HW albums are: Hawklords Live, CotBS, Church, Out & Intake, PXR5 and Warrior Any word as to bonus tracks? (Personally, I would love to see Church restored to its' LP sequence. Keep the extra tracks, but put 'em on the end...) Craig . Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 09:36:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:36:00 +0100 Subject: NIK, HW: re-releases: Xitintoday and The Maximum Effect In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's mail of Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:13 -0400 Message-ID: On 19 Sep 14:13, Craig Shipley wrote: > Any word as to bonus tracks? (Personally, I would love to see Church > restored to its' LP sequence. Keep the extra tracks, but put 'em on the > end...) Nope, they didn't give much info about these releases. CDS are just distributors, so I guess they won't know until the disks arrive. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 19 10:26:32 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:26:32 +0100 Subject: HW: New album info In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable > cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. > It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > Distant Horizons > Phetamine > Waimea Canyon Drive > Alchemy > Clouded Vision > Reptoid Vision > Population Overload > Wheels > Kavai > Taxi For Max > Is this a concept thing or a book based album? Anyone any ideas? FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 08:52:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:52:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: <34215D81.52815E91@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <34215D81.52815E91 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes > >out of doug smith's biggest fan's hands, i'd say. i wasn't going to say >anything, and probably shouldn't. but this is at least the third time he's >done this. i mean coming on the list, opening a subject,then stepping back far >enough to get pissed about how people discuss what he's brought up. a regular >fisherman. Fair comment IMO, rj. Sorry, Dale, but this is a free forum and anyway, I can't remember any posts being "out of hand" or indeed being anything less than constructive. I can't see your problem, myself. > but-- my internet acct >expires in december! I really hope things pan out for you, man, I'd be really sorry to see you fall off the list. >rj -- Jon Browne From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Sep 19 10:58:28 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:58:28 -0400 Subject: HW: New album info Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable > cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. > It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > Distant Horizons > Phetamine > Waimea Canyon Drive > Alchemy > Clouded Vision > Reptoid Vision > Population Overload > Wheels > Kavai > Taxi For Max > Is this a concept thing or a book based album? Anyone any ideas? FoFP Ron said somehting onstage about Reptoid Vision at Space Daze along the lines of: Well you all know about the ones with the big heads and the beady eyes, well this ones about the even scarier ones, the reptoid ones ...... So that one is still related to the alien theme. (I think Ron also said (to someone who w nted to go straight into the song) ) "They've got expanded minds they can handle it" !! Steve L. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 19 11:21:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:21:45 EDT Subject: HW: New album info Message-ID: > Dave Berry writes: > > > The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable > > cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. > > It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > > > Distant Horizons > > Phetamine > > Waimea Canyon Drive > > Alchemy > > Clouded Vision > > Reptoid Vision > > Population Overload > > Wheels > > Kavai > > Taxi For Max > > Any idea about a release date, catalog number, ordering info etc? Is there a URL for this company? thanks! theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 06:36:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:36:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Still no press In-Reply-To: <01BCC460.AD6F7A80.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCC460.AD6F7A80.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >> together, DS was in germany promoting "chubba wubba" or whatever their name >> is. > >Ah, that explains everything! Chumbawumba had a freak smash number 2 hit >single - which absolutely NOBODY was expecting, it's even weirder than when >"Silver Machine" went massive - and the telephone's probably not stopped >ringing at DS mansions... not exactly an excuse for taking his eye off the >ball re: HW, but perhaps an explanation. > >- Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Chumbawumba - 14th Century English term for "hypocrites" or something, isn't it? Very flexible politics these people have. Still, they were quoted this week as "still being pleased when a copper gets killed". Make of that what you will. They snipe self-righteously at other bands, even to the extent of standing outside gigs like New Model Army distributing flyers that say "Only Stupid Bastards Sign To EMI", and guess who they're now signed to? This is always a problem when managing more than one band. You tend to devote time to whoevers "on the up" and not necessarily who needs attention. I've seen it happen time and again. I've always thought a manager should be a "fifth member", myself. -- Jon Browne From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Sep 19 12:52:00 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: John, I believe the post to the BOC board was Eric responding to one of the regular posters asking "Eric, any new dates to announce?" To which Eric replied "No new dates will be announced until after the album is done". Many took this statement by itself, not referring it to the original question. Having spent a lot of time with BOC this past weekend, the thought of BOC breaking up or coming to an end is almost comical. While I'm at it, here's an update to the Buck Dharma project that I have been working on. I have done 95% of the video work on the 18 songs, having only to recapture 5:35 to tone down the blue tint. I interviewed the little boy and his father, and their Doctor. This past weekend, I interviewed Buck and Sandy (Roeser) on videotape to round out the contribution to the project. Just to let you know, the little boys tumor is GONE! He thinks Godzilla is fighting it and he did a good job. All I interviewed including his Doctor are verifying the miracle. The first video release of this will spin a tale of hope and possibility. This video will have 9-10 songs on it, along with the child's story intermingled between the songs. Anyone who likes BOC in the slightest will be very proud of Buck, Sandy, John Miceli, and Danny Miranda for doing this project. After this video, we will also have a CD available (Buck will work on it after the Wheel). Being involved with this project has been a gift to us all and we hope to share it with you soon. chuck From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 12:53:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:53:00 +0100 Subject: HW: New album info In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6's mail of Fri, 19 Sep 97 11:21 -0400 Message-ID: On 19 Sep 16:21, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Any idea about a release date, catalog number, ordering info etc? > Is there a URL for this company? They say the release date is sometime during the UK tour. CDS don't bother with catalogue numbers, and AFAIK they don't have a URL. Their address is: Compact Disc Services 40/42 Brentwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW UK Tel: +44 1382 776595 Fax: +44 1382 736702 Ask for their HW catalogue. It includes HW, Nik, Simon House, Krel's new CD, Alien Planetscapes, Darxtar, Dark Sun, Amon Duul, Gong, Ozrics, Pressurehed, Bevis Frond, and a lot more. I have no affinity, etc. Sorry I can't post more info, but I've been really busy all day, and I'm off on holiday tomorrow. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 19 08:56:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:56:53 +0100 Subject: HW: New album info In-Reply-To: <199709191000.LAA02490@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199709191000.LAA02490 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable >cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. >It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > Distant Horizons > Phetamine > Waimea Canyon Drive > Alchemy > Clouded Vision > Reptoid Vision > Population Overload > Wheels > Kavai > Taxi For Max > > >Dave. >-- hey, good news! Is there a tentative release date? -- Jon Browne From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Sep 19 15:02:42 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:02:42 -0400 Subject: BOC@Tramps/Oct. 28 Message-ID: I'm just venting here. The first time BOC is playing anywhere I can get to them since I moved to NYC and I'm out of town on business. Damn, that sucks. Especially given the other bands - Robbie Krieger and John Densmoe with "very special guests", plus OKB (Berry Oakley, JR, Waylon Krieger, and Duane Betts - spot the second generation rockers:-) and BOC themselves. Damn. JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 19 15:27:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:27:10 EDT Subject: BOC@Tramps/Oct. 28 Message-ID: > From: Jeff Berry > I'm just venting here. The first time BOC is playing anywhere I can get > to them since I moved to NYC and I'm out of town on business. > > Damn, that sucks. > Wherabouts is this? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* From sflahert at CAPECOD.NET Fri Sep 19 17:12:56 1997 From: sflahert at CAPECOD.NET (Sean Flaherty) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:12:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: > While I'm at it, here's an update to the Buck Dharma project that I > have been > working on. I have done 95% of the video work on the 18 songs, having > only > to recapture 5:35 to tone down the blue tint. I interviewed the > little boy > and his father, and their Doctor. This past weekend, I interviewed > Buck and > Sandy (Roeser) on videotape to round out the contribution to the > project. > Just to let you know, the little boys tumor is GONE! He thinks > Godzilla is > fighting it and he did a good job. All I interviewed including his > Doctor > are verifying the miracle. The first video release of this will spin > a tale > of hope and possibility. This video will have 9-10 songs on it, along > with > the child's story intermingled between the songs. Anyone who likes > BOC in > the slightest will be very proud of Buck, Sandy, John Miceli, and > Danny > Miranda for doing this project. After this video, we will also have a > CD > available (Buck will work on it after the Wheel). Being involved with > this > project has been a gift to us all and we hope to share it with you > soon. > > chuck ---------------------------------------------------- Chuck, glad to hear Ricky is doing better... is the video your producing going to be made available to purchase? I may have missed a previous post as to what your intentions were and I would love to see some new material as I'm sure everyone else would...Any info would be appreciated. Sean From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Fri Sep 19 17:25:10 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:25:10 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze - Labor of Love / Labor of Lo$$ Message-ID: Reply to message from mpower at FCMC.COM of Thu, 18 Sep > >> No. Jim made sure the band was taken care of. Any losses were >>absorbed by the promoters. This was a labor of love, folks. >> >> >>Wylie > >Yes indeed, Jim Lascko took the loss on Strange Daze 97. >We (B0RN to G0) made $100 gas money from the event (as >did most of the other bands) which I asked Jim to keep to >defray his own significantly greater expenses (he wouldn't). > >I have suggested that he should use the 24-track ADAT copy of the >gig to issue a Strange Daze 97 CD to make up for the loss and get >some money together for the show next year, but I don't think that >has has the financial resources available to do that right now. > >Any ideas? > The CD idea might be a bit out of the range of a possibility by Jim, but talking to him yesterday, he shared an idea that IS in his control and abilities, that he needs a bit of help from us with. It seems he had arranged to have the show filmed, using three cameras, and was going to edit it all together and make a video but the people who were going to shoot it didn't for reasons I am not aware of. He then tried to film it with his camera, but it went on the fritz. He has some of the show, but needs to get in touch with anybody else who filmed it. You can call Jim Lasko at 216-252-6148. Your help is needed and appreciated. Or email him at jmfinity at harbornet.com. Thanks, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Sep 19 17:54:45 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:54:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring/Album Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-19 17:19:09 EDT, you write: << Chuck, glad to hear Ricky is doing better... is the video your producing going to be made available to purchase? I may have missed a previous post as to what your intentions were and I would love to see some new material as I'm sure everyone else would...Any info would be appreciated. Sean >> Sean, I will post as soon as I am able to sell some of it. The editing of this thing has been more than I thought it would be, but it will definitely be ready before the end of the year in my semi-professional format. The intentions of the video is to distribute it to Hospitals and Associations dealing in the Health field per the child's wishes. (Along with all the BOC family). For Example, the hospital that he was treated at has the ability to show it on all of the TV stations in the Hospital at the same time and they want to see it. Initial response to some who have seen some of the video is that it is pretty good, especially the sound So far, Buck and I have been the harshest critics on it, we want it to look great, not just ok:-) chuck From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 19 20:00:27 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:00:27 PDT Subject: Off: Pineal Ventana 1997 Tour dates Message-ID: Pineal Ventana Fall 1997 Tour Schedule: September: 24 - Otto Bar. Baltimore MD 25 - Under Acme (Acme Underground) New York 26 - Frenz Club (This may be the Firenze club - a possible misprint) Phila, Pa those in the Philly area e-mail me if interested, i am to confirm club soon 27 - The Met Cafe, Providence RI 28 - Greenstreet Grill, Boston MA October: 1 - Tiamat, Peoria, IL 2 - Blind Pig, Ann Arbor MI 3 - Lounge Ax, Chicago IL 4 - Okay's Corral, Madison WI 6 - Club Soda, Kalamazoo MI 7 - Little Brother's , Columbus OH 8 - 1315/1317 N. Main St., Dayton OH (House Party) 9 - Nyabinghi Dance Hall, Morgantown WV e-mail PV: 88888 at peachnet.campus.mci.net these guys & gals are incredible....they're stage presence is well feared & written about and if you dont believe me please visit this website.... http://pineal.home.ml.org Hawk-U.S. & US Hawkmail will be at the Philadelphia show.....so come out and see the band and say hi to me and Hobbit.......I know this will be a cool as shit show..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Sep 19 21:06:48 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:06:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: thanks, jon, i appreciate that. i'd be a bit sorry to see me go too. ;) rj Jon Browne wrote: > I really hope things pan out for you, man, I'd be really sorry to see > you fall off the list. > >rj > > -- > Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Sep 20 01:27:26 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:27:26 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS Reissues?!? Message-ID: On 18 Sep 97 at 11:57, John Majka wrote: > At CDNow, they are listing "limited editions" of Choose Your Masques and > Sonic Attack for $29.99. These are apparently issued by The Emergency > Broadcast System. What's so limited about them? Do they have cool > packaging/remastering like the EMI reissues? I haven't heard anyone say a > word about these things! Does anyone know anything about them? John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org I'm not sure how "limited" they are, but they were released on CD for the first time ever last October by both Griffin and EBS. Given that Griffin have folded, they are probably relatively hard to get in the states. I don't know how many EBS pressed - but they still have them in stock. Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sat Sep 20 09:56:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:56:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: Secondhand CDs in NY? Message-ID: Hi! I'm trying to help a guy from another mailinglist to find shops with used CDs in New York. He's _not_ looking for HW or BOC CDs (too bad he isn't) but classical music! If you think you can help me to help him... please drop me a line private so we don't disturb the traffic on BOC-l. Doei -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From nexus at PANIX.COM Sat Sep 20 10:35:59 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:35:59 -0400 Subject: BOC@Tramps/Oct. 28 In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Sep 19, 97 03:27:10 pm Message-ID: >> I'm just venting here. The first time BOC is playing anywhere I can get >> to them since I moved to NYC and I'm out of town on business. >> Damn, that sucks. >Wherabouts is this? >theo Tramps - 51 W. 21st (between 5th and 6th) at least, that's what the ad says:-) JB From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Sep 20 11:04:52 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 01:04:52 +1000 Subject: HW: New album info Message-ID: "Distant Horizons" is the title of the new Psychedelic Warriors album, not the new HW album AFAIK. I wonder where "Reptoid Vision" fits into the scheme of things then?? Sonique On 19 Sep 97 at 11:00, Dave Berry wrote: > The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable > cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. > It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > Distant Horizons > Phetamine > Waimea Canyon Drive > Alchemy > Clouded Vision > Reptoid Vision > Population Overload > Wheels > Kavai > Taxi For Max > > > Dave. > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 472 4782 > -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Sep 20 13:30:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:30:33 +0000 Subject: HW: No Space Sex on Theta Orionis? Message-ID: ...the CD, not the star (?) :) Anyway my copy of this has Gimme Shelter as track 9 and as the last track the second half of Gimme Shelter - again... No Space Sex to be found after Terra Mystica! Can't these bootleggers do a proper job of it if they first are gonna do this... :) Also, are the Rock City tracks the same as the Rock City bootleg CD? Christian From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 20 17:44:08 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:44:08 PDT Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: yeah ron.... hope it works out.... you & karyn are the salt of the earth... love u both bl >thanks, jon, i appreciate that. i'd be a bit sorry to see me go too. ;) >rj > >Jon Browne wrote: > >> I really hope things pan out for you, man, I'd be really sorry to see >> you fall off the list. >> >rj >> >> -- >> Jon Browne > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Sep 20 18:05:48 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:05:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawk chase Message-ID: Right - I'm off on a Hawkwind hunt. Hopefully I'll catch up with them somewhere. So far Redcar have sent me tickets and DracFest keep promising...... so if anyone is around in the Whitby area I'll see you all there! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Sat Sep 20 21:02:30 1997 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:02:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clifton Park NY Message-ID: Hi all Well what a great 30 days it has been. Now I have seen both of my favorite bands!! BOC played the Park West last night and really rocked the house. Eric, Buck and Alan were in fine form. Now I haven't seen the boys since a SWB concert about 15 yrs ago or so in San Francisco and they were definitely better last night, not that they were bad in those days! However the band has definitely matured (and I don't mean less hair) and they are with out a doubt better musicians now. The opening band was a local Metal band named Attica. I ended up sitting next to Attica in the bar before the gig and didn't know it at the time. They played originals and also a nice Sab set. They were defiantly 90 Metal but all the same I and seemingly many of the fans there were satisfied with their 45 min set. If you are a upstate BOC-L reader I would recommend you see them if you like 90's type Metal. BOC defiantly played a set for the "faithful" as most of the songs were from the earlier albums. Unfortunately I am not a set recorder but I assume they are playing the same sets as the earlier shows spoken of in previous BOC-L mailings. I wish to just mention that they really are much better than the small gigs they are playing. I mean why are the boys playing to such small houses?? There were two new songs played and they hearken back to early BOC albums more than some of the later releases. Buck's Boogie was very good and Alan played acoustic twice while Eric sat at the Keyboards. Eric has cut his hair to a buzz cut but of course wore his famous glasses. Now I am about to seem like a newbie fan so I wish to state that I have been following BOC the best I can for almost 20 yrs: Who is their Drummer?? His solo rocked!!!! Other thoughts: Someone in the Audience had a foot high Godzilla and Eric took it on-stage for that number. Buck's voice is still excellent and Eric didn't sound too bad either!!! Mostly it was just wonderful being with so many BOC fans watching the boys blow out so many classics. Alas I didn't take my digital camera like I did to the NYC gig for Hawkwind so I don't have pics for you all, but the light show was very good considering it was a "club" and the sound, though ear ringing, was clear enough and not too muddy. They played two encore songs but again I am not a set recorder so to speak. My memory should be better but alas I had one too many Labatt Blues and hadn't eaten a decent dinner. The audience was filled with both younger people and those of my generation (I am 36) and I was amused and gratified to see just how many men and women were still stone cold fans of my generation, singing all the lyrics to some of the less well known songs ( in relation to the general public who all know DFtR). Well I am meandering so I will close with a recommendation to see the boys if they come to your town. Heck I had to decide btw BOC tix and Yes Tix and it was the best decision I made!! Mike Habiby corwyn at global2000.net From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Sep 21 02:15:10 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:15:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Still no press Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: > yeah ron.... > hope it works out.... > you & karyn are the salt of the earth... > love u both > bl yer not getting my budlite, bob. but we thank you, and echo the sentiment for you and yours rj From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Sep 21 02:50:13 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 01:50:13 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: Um, this is just out of curiousity, but I have a question in lieu of a discussion I'm having on the newsgroups: Of all of you on BOC-L who went to StrangeDaze, did -any- of you either 1) not take any illegal substances, or 2) know someone who did not take any illegal substances. I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children, I hope :-) ] who were not high. Again, I'm not trying to pass judgment on anybody here - just curious. Thanks, Damon From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Sep 21 02:40:08 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:40:08 -0400 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: i know three adults who were there and did not. i was NOT one of them. bear in mind: i dont do illegal drugs because i enjoy them. i do them because they are illegal. ;) i have seen hawkwind without the aid of party-favors. ive been to a few dead shows completely straight. neither was near as much fun, but i still enjoyed myself. rj DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > Um, this is just out of curiousity, but I have a question in > lieu of a discussion I'm having on the newsgroups: > > Of all of you on BOC-L who went to StrangeDaze, did -any- of > you either > 1) not take any illegal substances, or > 2) know someone who did not take any illegal substances. > > I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were > the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children, I hope > :-) ] who were not high. > > Again, I'm not trying to pass judgment on anybody here - > just curious. > > Thanks, > Damon From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Sep 21 05:21:43 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 04:21:43 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: > I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were > the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children, I hope > :-) ] who were not high. Well Damon when you showed me your tangerine dream cd did I seem out of it? I only had 2 beers the whole weekend, maybe I just look lost. I saw just 1 person that "looked" high the during the whole weekend. I have no problem with people doing drugs, but I saw very little drug use. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Sep 21 11:02:38 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:02:38 -0400 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > Of all of you on BOC-L who went to StrangeDaze, did -any- of > you either > 1) not take any illegal substances, or > 2) know someone who did not take any illegal substances. I was at the Strange Daze Festival, have been an avid HW fan for 20 years and have clean from mind altering substances, legal or otherwise since 1985.Chris > Thanks, > Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Sep 21 11:20:29 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:20:29 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 04:21:43 -0500 Dan Witt wrote: >> I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were >> the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children, I hope >> :-) ] who were not high. > >Well Damon when you showed me your tangerine dream cd did I seem out of >it? I only had 2 beers the whole weekend, maybe I just look lost. I saw >just 1 person that "looked" high the during the whole weekend. I have no >problem with people doing drugs, but I saw very little drug use. Actually, I should have been a bit more specific. I remember meeting you and thought to myself, "Wow, he doesn't look high at all. That's refreshing." I guess I should have pointed out that my statement was more of a generalizing exaggeration. An amendment: Damon -should- have said: >> I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I, along with >> a few others, were the only people [besides Mr. Power's children, I >> hope :-) ] who were not high. Of course, I only saw two people that "looked" naked the whole weekend - five if you count the showers, but that's to be expected. :-) Anyway... gotta go. Damon From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Sep 21 11:48:01 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:48:01 PDT Subject: HW: StrangeDaze Message-ID: damon, you weren't alone...... i partook of 0% alchohol & drugs.....i had a blast ..... with the exception of the sip of mead that i sampled from kevin sommers cup....i did no substances....and this was very purposeful. i really wanted a clear head for the weekend.... and with the lack of sleep factor...i wanted to stay awake yer not alone bl >From: DAMON CAPEHART >Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Um, this is just out of curiousity, but I have a question in >lieu of a discussion I'm having on the newsgroups: > >Of all of you on BOC-L who went to StrangeDaze, did -any- of >you either >1) not take any illegal substances, or >2) know someone who did not take any illegal substances. > >I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were >the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children oh, sorry my 4 year old son also was not high....that's 5 now , I hope >:-) ] who were not high. > >Again, I'm not trying to pass judgment on anybody here - >just curious. > >Thanks, >Damon > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Sep 21 12:25:03 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:25:03 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: I missed Strange Daze unfortunately due to the pressures of graduate school, but I'd like to say that I'm a youthful 28 years old and have never been drunk or used any illegal drug. I've been an avid Hawkwind listener since 1985, which maybe is some evidence that Hawkwind and drug use don't necessarily go hand in hand. I think they're pretty damned cool even without being fucked in the head. I met someone a few years back who, upon finding out that I like Hawkwind, said to me, "Everyone I've ever met who likes Hawkwind is either totally into drugs or else into collecting really cool music." I guess I fit into the latter category. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org At 01:50 AM 9/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >Um, this is just out of curiousity, but I have a question in >lieu of a discussion I'm having on the newsgroups: > >Of all of you on BOC-L who went to StrangeDaze, did -any- of >you either >1) not take any illegal substances, or >2) know someone who did not take any illegal substances. > >I'm just asking because it seemed like my friend and I were >the only two people [besides Mr. Power's children, I hope >:-) ] who were not high. > >Again, I'm not trying to pass judgment on anybody here - >just curious. > >Thanks, >Damon > > From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Sep 21 16:52:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:52:17 -0400 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > I missed Strange Daze unfortunately due to the pressures of graduate school, > but I'd like to say that I'm a youthful 28 years old and have never been > drunk or used any illegal drug. I've been an avid Hawkwind listener since > 1985, which maybe is some evidence that Hawkwind and drug use don't > necessarily go hand in hand. I think they're pretty damned cool even > without being fucked in the head. just like to point out here that using recreational drugs and 'being fucked in the head' don't necessarily go hand in hand either. i've met LOTS of people who are "fucked in the head," who've never been near an illegal drug. i do not _recommend_ drugs to anyone. what i do recommend is that they defend their right to do so, if they feel they can moderate themselves, and their budget allows it. (right now, my budget does not allow it, so i have been clean for a couple of weeks by choice.) sorry to waste everyone's time with this, but i get sick of all the holier than thou drug experts out there, who think that just because they swallow the crap that the media feeds them, everyone else should too. 'tis true that i did get a little carried away at the festival. but what the hell, it's not often that one can let things go like that, not having to worry about having to drive or get up in the morning. i'd also like to mention that i excell at my job, and that i am second in my class at school. using pot has not affected me adversely in either of those areas. and i'm sure that if i did not use pot, i still would be second. i'm gonna go commit some grizzly murders now. too many bears around, ya know. rj From kg at THING.DE Sun Sep 21 18:41:07 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:41:07 +0200 Subject: strange daze t-shirts Message-ID: hi, I was asked to forward the following: "My dacoits inform me that a few t-shirt from "Strange Daze" (Nik Turner / Far Flung) festival are still available. Could you put this word on BOC/HW discussion list??? Tell them to contact: GLORTCH at aol.com for details." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Sep 21 22:55:36 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:55:36 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: Thanks for the encouragement, guys. I'm glad to know Dave (my friend) and I were not the only "clean" guys there. Then again, StrangeDaze was one of those times/places where it was nice to be accepted for who we are, no matter how normal we may have looked. :-) Damon From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Sep 21 23:47:23 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:47:23 -0500 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: At 04:52 PM 9/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >John Majka wrote: > >> I missed Strange Daze unfortunately due to the pressures of graduate school, >> but I'd like to say that I'm a youthful 28 years old and have never been >> drunk or used any illegal drug. I've been an avid Hawkwind listener since >> 1985, which maybe is some evidence that Hawkwind and drug use don't >> necessarily go hand in hand. I think they're pretty damned cool even >> without being fucked in the head. > >just like to point out here that using recreational drugs and 'being fucked in >the head' don't necessarily go hand in hand either. >i've met LOTS of people who are "fucked in the head," who've never been near an >illegal drug. Absolutely. In fact must people who are fucked in the head have never used any drug. I couldn't agree more. >i do not _recommend_ drugs to anyone. what i do recommend is that they defend >their right to do so, if they feel they can >moderate themselves, and their budget allows it. (right now, my budget does not >allow it, so i have been clean for a couple of weeks >by choice.) > >sorry to waste everyone's time with this, but i get sick of all the holier than >thou drug experts out there, who think that just because they >swallow the crap that the media feeds them, everyone else should too. I get sick of the media crap too. Recreational drug use isn't much different than watching TV or listening to music or any other entertainment activity. I have nothing against drugs, they're just not for me. I get sick also of the holier-than-thou drug users who think they're in on something that the clean among us can't see. It goes both ways. I suppose both positions have their peculiar virtues. Carry on with whatever you do. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Mon Sep 22 00:02:39 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:02:39 -0400 Subject: Lemmy and Motorhead on King Biscuit Message-ID: Since I've seen recent mention of Lemmy on this list, I trust this won't seem too far off topic. I've recently received the promo of King Biscuit's new Motorhead CD. I've put up graphics, soundbites and relevant info on this at . This disc also includes a 21 minute interview with Lemmy that is really neat! Let's just say he doesn't hold anything back! While you're at The Artist Shop, please don't forget to stop by our Brain Surgeons page at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 22 07:42:59 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:42:59 EDT Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: > >> I missed Strange Daze unfortunately due to the pressures of graduate school, > >> but I'd like to say that I'm a youthful 28 years old and have never been > >> drunk or used any illegal drug. I've been an avid Hawkwind listener since > >> 1985, which maybe is some evidence that Hawkwind and drug use don't > >> necessarily go hand in hand. I think they're pretty damned cool even > >> without being fucked in the head. > > > >just like to point out here that using recreational drugs and 'being fucked in > >the head' don't necessarily go hand in hand either. > >i've met LOTS of people who are "fucked in the head," who've never been near an > >illegal drug. > > Absolutely. In fact must people who are fucked in the head have never used > any drug. I couldn't agree more. > Right! > >i do not _recommend_ drugs to anyone. what i do recommend is that they defend > >their right to do so, if they feel they can If you've never used any drugs, then you COULDN"T recommend them. Can't you only recommend things you know something about or have tried? > >moderate themselves, and their budget allows it. (right now, my budget > does not > >allow it, so i have been clean for a couple of weeks > >by choice.) > > > >sorry to waste everyone's time with this, but i get sick of all the holier th an > >thou drug experts out there, who think that just because they > >swallow the crap that the media feeds them, everyone else should too. > > I get sick of the media crap too. Recreational drug use isn't much > different than watching TV or listening to music or any other entertainment > activity. I have nothing against drugs, they're just not for me. I get > sick also of the holier-than-thou drug users who think they're in on > something that the clean among us can't see. It goes both ways. I suppose Why are you any cleaner than i am? who's being holier-than thou? theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 22 08:28:02 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:28:02 -0700 Subject: BOC: Live '76 Message-ID: >PS: remember, I'm into Hawkwind and don't give a rat's ass > about sound quality - actually I prefer alot of crap recordings! :) >This album features some of Al's most furious drumming too. Sound >quality goes in and out, but it isn't a bad record at all... >theo The setlist gets five spoons. The cd sound quality gets 2.5 spoons. The video sound quality gets 3 spoons. I gave away my cd but kept the video. If I want to record a song off it I just do it from the video and it dosen't sound that bad. Another little trick I learned form the recently departed Mr. Rudich. >Why doesn't Mr. Carter let us drive 90mph, with headphones on, while we're >smoking the finest Colombian, and wearing sunglasses at night? It just ain't >right! As for the "farked* in the head thread" [*Note; lets dispense with the profanity whenever we can] the above quip from Eric speaks volumes with those who are anti-drugs. Its a pretty good definition. However there is nothing wrong with toking a little bit of the organic stuff, chillin' out at a concert and generally enjoying yourself. When you bother others is where the line should be drawn. But as much as the anti-drug crowd harp on leaf plant, should people who swallow too many Bud's be exempt from criticism because beer is legal? I don't think so. >wow, new King's X and BOC in 98? what could be better? Well there is a King's X release schedule for this year but its not really new. Its a compilation with some live stuff thrown in. Will I buy it OH YEAH. Plans call for an extended live version of Over My Head from Woodstock. That recording alone justifies it. Don't know if this is faint or dammning praise but Howard Stern said the only worthwhile performance at Woodstock was King's X. To borrow a phrase from one of their first songs "The King is comming..." BOC we will have to wait and see, I sure hope that EW hits the streets. L8er lil ab (who's bummed out becuase his vcr went whacko saturday night and failed to tape the Tick vs. Multiple Santa's; still missing two rare Tick eps. Anybody out there got Tick Eps they want to trade? Tick vs. Reno Nevada is the other one I need.) OBCD - Savatage, Dead Winter Dead (Sav is stuck in my head and player.) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 22 09:01:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:01:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Live '76 Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > As for the "farked* in the head thread" [*Note; lets dispense with the > profanity whenever we can] the above quip from Eric speaks volumes with > those who are anti-drugs. Its a pretty good definition. However there > is nothing wrong with toking a little bit of the organic stuff, chillin' > out at a concert and generally enjoying yourself. When you bother > others is where the line should be drawn. But as much as the anti-drug > crowd harp on leaf plant, should people who swallow too many Bud's be > exempt from criticism because beer is legal? I don't think so. > Well, weed and hash are legal in Holland, and last time i visited there, they have a lot fewer serial killers, murderers, rapists, etc. than we have over here. I didn't see any signs of social decay. In fact, it was the coolest place i ever visited. people minded their own business and left others alone. Maybe we should try it in the good old US of A? And booze? Well, the reason pot's illegal here is because the beer and booze folks know they'd go out of business if people could get high legally, so they help keep pressure on the platitudinous dudes in Washington... theo *************************************** ...It's Legal, but it's not 100 percent legal... --Vincent Vega ************************* From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 22 10:57:44 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:57:44 +0000 Subject: ooops... In-Reply-To: <1F8DF4C74F5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: theo! Sorry 'bout soliciting CD's out of the blue there. A little rude of me, but I will blame the local breweries for adjusting my medication a little too much! Looking at that email now, it was a remarkable feat to write it so well under the circumstances... Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 22 11:08:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:08:15 +0000 Subject: ooops... In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970922145744.0070dd9c@online.no> Message-ID: Let me just apologize to the list for that apology.... apologies, Christian From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Sep 22 10:29:13 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:29:13 +0100 Subject: HW: more tour trub ? Message-ID: >From Star Rats' www.hawkwind.com website it appears the Croydon gig (29th Oct) is cancelled. However, according to the (I just phoned) venue the gig is still ON . Moral is : don't be fooled kiddies. The gig is out there. Neil. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 22 12:10:37 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:10:37 +0100 Subject: LP to CD transfer Message-ID: OK all you techies. They've started selling the CD-write hifi units here at 700 quid (about 1000 Dollars I guess). They'll be the CD-R write-once systems I guess. So presumably they could write CD's from LP's (not illegal if I own the LP's). Is it likely that these could also be connected to a 'puter to write stuff to CD like 'puter files and software? Also, if I were to use one to write my LP's to CD then it would obviously be better if I could zap out the snaps, crackles and pops. Would it somehow be feasible to play an LP, record it digitally on a 'puter, edit the file using some fancy software to get rid of the pops and then write the results to CD? What would be needed to do this? Is the necessary software available at a reasonable price? Ta in advance for any help. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 22 12:32:59 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:32:59 +0800 Subject: LP to CD transfer Message-ID: Hi there Mike (and all other interested people) M Holmes wrote: > > OK all you techies. > > They've started selling the CD-write hifi units here at 700 quid (about > 1000 Dollars I guess). > > They'll be the CD-R write-once systems I guess. So presumably they could > write CD's from LP's (not illegal if I own the LP's). > > Is it likely that these could also be connected to a 'puter to write > stuff to CD like 'puter files and software? > > Also, if I were to use one to write my LP's to CD then it would obviously be > better if I could zap out the snaps, crackles and pops. Would it somehow > be feasible to play an LP, record it digitally on a 'puter, edit the > file using some fancy software to get rid of the pops and then write the > results to CD? > > What would be needed to do this? Is the necessary software available at > a reasonable price? > I now have one of these wonderful toys, and have also found some software out on the net that gets rid of a lot of these crackles, etc.. Most of them you have to buy, and they vary in price, depending on what you need. Some software that does nothing but..' is fairly reasonable in price, while there are others that come as part of a package (24 track recording studio, etc). One free software program which is good, is CoolEdit96. It doesn't get rid of crackles, but does get rid of tape hiss. Check out these Web pages for more info. http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~psyche/cdda/ http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/FAQ.html#[4-18] Some programs that get rid of crackles, pops, etc., include DART http://www.tracertek.com/dartpro.htm There are many others to numerous to mention, but you should be able to find out more on one of the pages listed. William From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 22 14:07:52 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:07:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Captain Matchbox Whoopie Band Message-ID: Found this group while trying to find another Australian band, Radio Birdman. Anyone know anything about them? Brian obCD> Frank Zappa: Apostrophe (') obSong> St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Sep 22 14:33:09 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:33:09 +0200 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the track list from the STARNGE DAZE gig As you can see there seem to be 3 new tracks from the upcomming new CD called DISTANT HORIZONS 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision Bernhard From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Sep 22 14:30:12 1997 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:30:12 -0500 Subject: BOC midi file request Message-ID: Would who ever it is that has been working on a MIDI file version of Reaper E-mail it to me? (not the list please!) I know that such a critter is out there, but I don't recall who was doing it. Thanks. Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus -- Geek code: GAT d-- s:-- a C+++ UL++ P+ L++ !E- W+++ N++ o K++ w+++ !o !M-- !V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t++ 5+ X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI++++ D G++ e+ h---(*) r+++ y+++(**) http://www.spellbooksoftware.com From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Sep 22 15:14:06 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:14:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: > Hi folks > > Here is the track list from the STARNGE DAZE gig > > As you can see there seem to be 3 new tracks from the upcomming new CD > called DISTANT HORIZONS > > 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL > intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i > sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / > aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that > could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision > > > Bernhard > I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, (Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) and Reptoid vision is long enough that it might really have part of something else in too. Might want to wait for the CD of course ! Cheers, Steve L From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 22 17:51:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:51:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list In-Reply-To: <199709221914.PAA17483@dogberry> Message-ID: At 15:14 22.09.97 -0400, Stephen Lindsey wrote: >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) I thought Camera just used the lyrics from Green Finned Demon? Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 22 16:56:03 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:56:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: On Monday, September 22, 1997 10:51 PM, Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > At 15:14 22.09.97 -0400, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, > >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) > > I thought Camera just used the lyrics from Green Finned Demon? > > Christian I thought it used the lyrics from Living on a Knife Edge? - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Born Out of Time_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 22 19:11:21 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:11:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list In-Reply-To: <01BCC7A2.797E9720.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 21:56 22.09.97 +0100, you wrote: >> >> I thought Camera just used the lyrics from Green Finned Demon? >> >> Christian > >I thought it used the lyrics from Living on a Knife Edge? > >- Andy Ah, you are right. :) Christian From kg at THING.DE Mon Sep 22 18:19:30 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:30 +0200 Subject: new pages on the calvert site Message-ID: hello - after a long break - while being forced to exist off-line for a few weeks - the Calvert site "the spirit of the p/age" is now back on course. loads of material has piled up over the last weeks - now, being finally re-equipped on the hardware-side - a lot of new material will show up soon - pics, texts, interviews, articles etc. for a start there are two new entries in THE WORLD ON CALVERT pages / frames: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm they contain new entries by Roger Neville-Neil - friend of Calvert and former lyrics writer for HW - now occassionally for Far Flung - incl. a few new pics of Calvert - and Roger... and a brandnew piece on Calvert by the musician RALPH BEAUVERT - who also played with members of GONG etc. He used to play a number of Calvert cover versions as a part of his gigs - and recently has recorded his own version of the Calvert song HERO WITH A WING - which you will be able to listen to as well - soon...(after the next update) - this is actually the first song already in for the planned ROBERT CALVERT TRIBUTE ALBUM! this page also contains a few pics - one of which is a brilliant live shot from a 1978 HAWKLORDS concert. MUCH more new stuff will appear on the spirit very SOON. greetings, knut gerwers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 283 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 22 21:01:02 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:02 -0400 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: > > >i do not _recommend_ drugs to anyone. what i do recommend is that they defend > > >their right to do so, if they feel they can ted, you need to pay attention to the number of >>'s. =) i said that. i'm the unclean one, remember? ;) > If you've never used any drugs, then you COULDN"T recommend them. > Can't you only recommend things you know something about or have > tried? > > I get sick of the media crap too. Recreational drug use isn't much > > different than watching TV or listening to music or any other entertainment > > activity. I have nothing against drugs, they're just not for me. I get > > sick also of the holier-than-thou drug users who think they're in on > > something that the clean among us can't see. It goes both ways. I suppose > > Why are you any cleaner than i am? who's being holier-than thou? > well, i originally brought in the 'dirty' word "clean." it is a cliche from the 70's.... "i'm clean ociffer! i ain't done nuthin'!" also the holier than thou. i meant it in no particular direction. i was a little annoyed at the way the original post was worded, but later realized i was over-reacting a little. the main difference between partiers and non-partiers, is that partiers don't usually mind that the 'nons' don't. like people with tattoos dont think anything of seeing a guy without one, where people without tend to make judgements based on the presence of tat's. i see that everyday. most of my friends dont use. they think its hilarious that i still do. but for some reason, they still come by. all i really wanted to say was that i was getting this "ooh, run away! the evil drug users are here to slay our hamsters and rape our cats!" feeling from the whole conversation. so, if you see me at a show, don't buy me a beer. i dont like alcohol anyway. buy me some beef jerky. we can smoke it out back. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 22 21:04:28 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:04:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: christian, yer joking, right? this is like one of those moose fantasies, isnt it? rj Christian Mumford wrote: > > At 15:14 22.09.97 -0400, Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, > >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) > > I thought Camera just used the lyrics from Green Finned Demon? > > Christian From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Sep 22 21:08:57 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:08:57 -0400 Subject: LP to CD transfer Message-ID: i don't and have never owned one. but i am studying them in school. they are made for the computer first. the stereo hookup is secondary. if the unit yer lookin at is designed specifically for hifi, it may require a little networking wizardry, but you can do it. as for copying yer records, i have read that it is legal to make ONE copy for archival use. i have tried the cooledit95 prog. it is pretty good. all the things you say you want to do can be done. rj M Holmes wrote: > > OK all you techies. > > They've started selling the CD-write hifi units here at 700 quid (about > 1000 Dollars I guess). > > They'll be the CD-R write-once systems I guess. So presumably they could > write CD's from LP's (not illegal if I own the LP's). > > Is it likely that these could also be connected to a 'puter to write > stuff to CD like 'puter files and software? > > Also, if I were to use one to write my LP's to CD then it would obviously be > better if I could zap out the snaps, crackles and pops. Would it somehow > be feasible to play an LP, record it digitally on a 'puter, edit the > file using some fancy software to get rid of the pops and then write the > results to CD? > > What would be needed to do this? Is the necessary software available at > a reasonable price? > > Ta in advance for any help. > > FoFP From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 22 23:31:50 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:31:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list In-Reply-To: <3427159C.7CB2C962@starlinx.com> Message-ID: At 21:04 22.09.97 -0400, you wrote: >christian, yer joking, right? >this is like one of those moose fantasies, isnt it? >rj No, that's **GAMERA** green finned f**ker! Anyway, it was Living on a Knife Edge I was thinking of, as someone pointed out... My moose fantasies still haunt me in the wee hours of the morning... the moose sings to me as I dream of juniper berries popping on an open fire: "It's the nexus of the golfcourse and the origin of moose" I have yet to figure out what he means. Christian vs The Smog Monster > >Christian Mumford wrote: >> >> At 15:14 22.09.97 -0400, Stephen Lindsey wrote: >> >> >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, >> >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) >> >> I thought Camera just used the lyrics from Green Finned Demon? >> >> Christian > > From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Sep 22 22:44:54 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:44:54 PDT Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: >> Hi folks >> >> Here is the track list from the STARNGE DAZE gig >> >> As you can see there seem to be 3 new tracks from the upcomming new CD >> called DISTANT HORIZONS >> >> 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL >> intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i >> sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / >> aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that >> could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision >> >> >> Bernhard >> > >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too Bernhard, >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) ******************LYRIC ALERT************************* steve: Camera that could lie has lyrics!...please listen to It is the Business of the future....cd......wot kin i say... bl ****************************************************** and Reptoid vision >is long enough that it might really have part of something else in too. > >Might want to wait for the CD of course ! > >Cheers, >Steve L > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 22 22:53:43 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:53:43 +0800 Subject: OFF: Captain Matchbox Whoopie Band Message-ID: Hi there > Found this group while trying to find another Australian band, Radio Birdman. Anyone know > anything about them? > If you are looking for a band like Radio Birdman, you will be very dissappointed. This band are more into silliness, from what I remember, with members wearing ballet dresses and such like. They also performed as part of a circus. I'd say they are more in the style of the Bonzo Dog Doo dah Band, although (in my opinion) not as good. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 22 23:01:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:01:52 +0800 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: > >I think that the Pollution rap thing is in there somewhere too > Bernhard, > >(Camera That Could Lie never had lyrics before !) > ******************LYRIC ALERT************************* > steve: > Camera that could lie has lyrics!...please listen to It is the Business > of the future....cd......wot kin i say... > bl > ****************************************************** > He's probably got confused with the original instrumental version of this track, which is on some live recording (can't remember which one, though?) William From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Sep 22 23:26:12 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:26:12 +1000 Subject: OFF: Captain Matchbox Whoopie Band Message-ID: I saw them only once, and that was a long time ago - late 70's some time. I remember their singles "My canary has circles under his eyes" and "Your feet's too big", and their general silliness, but not much else. I remember they were very lively on-stage and got out among the crowd a lot. Here's what the Who's Who of Australian Rock says: "Melbourne 1969-1975. Based around the Conway Brothers, Captain Matchbox successfully combined humour, theatre, rock music and other conglomerations into one act. Many well known musicians passed through this band. 'Mischievous melting pot of roaring twenties carnival sideshow entertainment and vaudevillian lunacy with liberal doses of jug band blues and instrumental mayhem' (A. Fayne). Re-formed in 1976 as Matchbox and performed with the Australian Performing Group. They were later known as the Soapbox Circus. 1978 saw the formation of Circus of Oz, Australia's first rock'n'roll circus, touring here and overseas. They finally broke up in 1981." If you'd like a list of members (too long to post right now) and a discography, email me privately. Pete. At 02:07 PM 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >Found this group while trying to find another Australian band, Radio Birdman. Anyone know >anything about them? > >Brian > >obCD> Frank Zappa: Apostrophe (') >obSong> St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 23 00:00:43 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:00:43 -0400 Subject: new pages on the calvert site Message-ID: Hi Joe, Didn't take long to receive your msg. Just got back from Mary & Adam's. All is normal & well (I use the term loosely ;-). Took a look at Mary's PC. She's got MS Office 97, and I found her Word Perfect DOS 6.0 and made an icon for her so she can use her label program. She's fine w/Windows 95. Besides, if we reinstall 3.1, she won't be able to use her Office 97. They are missing a Printer Driver for the Deskjet, so she's not able to print. I'll bring my Windows 95 CD next time I stop by (unless Stephanie has one she can give her). Will call Cust. Svc. during week, and will let you know what happens. Talk (or email) you soon! -Bev From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 23 00:06:19 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:06:19 -0400 Subject: ooops... Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-22 09:11:47 EDT, you write: << Let me just apologize to the list for that apology.... apologies, Christian >> Wasn't this a Monty Python skit or something? :-) SET From kg at THING.DE Tue Sep 23 00:09:04 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:09:04 +0200 Subject: LEMMY - is it Kilminster or Kilmister??? Message-ID: help! I am just extending the pages on the Calvert collab-relators - now it's Lemmy's turn... and I am STILL not sure.... is it KILMINSTER or KILMISTER????? I've checked various pages - finding an equal variety of versions.... does anyone has the definitive answer??? thanks, knut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Sep 23 00:56:31 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:56:31 -0400 Subject: LEMMY - is it Kilminster or Kilmister??? Message-ID: >help! > >I am just extending the pages on the Calvert collab-relators - now it's >Lemmy's turn... >and I am STILL not sure.... >is it >KILMINSTER or KILMISTER????? Is this an assumed name as well? I recently got a Sam Gopal CD (Escalator, very good, BTW) and he was listed as Ian "Lemmy" Willis.... As for Kilminster, I think it's with the 'n'. We all know we can count on the sleves of Hawkwind CDs to correct all our spelling. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 23 03:56:51 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:56:51 +0100 Subject: LEMMY - is it Kilminster or Kilmister??? Message-ID: > As for Kilminster, I think it's with the 'n'. We all > know we can count on the sleves of Hawkwind CDs to > correct all our spelling. I'm virtually certain it's no 'n'... for instance, in the Overkill songbook (which I got back in about 79 when I had delusions of learning the guitar), all the songs are credited to "Ian Kilmister, Philip Taylor and Edward Clarke" (except for Damage Case, of course, with Mick Farren too). And some very tasteful (really!) band portraits again have the name as KILMISTER in big letters. The name "Lemmy" doesn't appear anywhere in it!!! In fact, it's an interesting little document - an introductory short story by MF, too! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Sep 23 04:37:43 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:37:43 -0600 Subject: HW: Strange Daze track list Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi folks > > Here is the track list from the STARNGE DAZE gig > > As you can see there seem to be 3 new tracks from the upcomming new CD > > called DISTANT HORIZONS > > 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL > intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i > > sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / > aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera > that > could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision > > Bernhard well, now that I've wiped the drool off of my keyboard-anyone by chance get a tape of this show?If so-please let me know off the list:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Stalker wanted to know how Lemmy's last name is spelled.... Well, it is definitely Kilmister, NOT Kilminster. His full name is: Ian Frazier Kilmister (Born Dec. 24, 1945, Stoke-on-Trent) He first used (well, okay, he got it) his mother's last name, Willis, and then changed to his (real) father's name, Kilmister, in the late sixties. His real father, a vicar, left Lem and his mom when he was just a kid. When one has heard Lemmy's lovesong to his father, "Poison" on the Bomber album (1979), one wonders why he chose to take his name... The last verse of "Poison": -------------------------------------------------------- My father, he used to be a preacher, Never taught me nothing but scorn, If I ever catch him on the street, yeah, I'll make him wish he'd never been born, He was Poison, Guess he poisoned my life He was Poison, I wish my mother wasn't his wife, no! --------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Ola From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 23 08:16:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:16:08 EDT Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question Message-ID: > From: Ron Jennings > > > >i do not _recommend_ drugs to anyone. what i do recommend is that they defend > > > >their right to do so, if they feel they can > > ted, you need to pay attention to the number of >>'s. =) i said that. > i'm the unclean one, remember? ;) > Damn! Looks like a fucking snowstorm with all that shit flying around! My apologies, fellow unclean one. Please pass the Pine Sol... > > > Why are you any cleaner than i am? who's being holier-than thou? > > well, i originally brought in the 'dirty' word "clean." > it is a cliche from the 70's.... "i'm clean ociffer! i ain't done > nuthin'!" Right! Images of Joe Friday or Steve McGarrett sweating down some junkie for info... > also the holier than thou. i meant it in no particular direction. i > was a little annoyed at the way the > original post was worded, but later realized i was over-reacting a > little. > Yeah, me too. It's just that all the people I know who use weed recreationally are decent folks, married with kids, jobs, mortgages, etc. We're no different from anyone else, and we aren't responsible for the end of civilisation. And I know a lot of people whose lives got way more fucked up due to legal drinking than illegal weed... > the main difference between partiers and non-partiers, is that partiers > don't usually mind that the 'nons' > don't. Well, I married a non-partyer, and we've been together going on 10 years now...She doesn't like it simply because it's not legal, no moralizing otherwise... > so, if you see me at a show, don't buy me a beer. i dont like alcohol > anyway. buy me some beef jerky. > we can smoke it out back. > > rj Before or after we sodomize their cats? theo *************************************** Nuke the unborn, gay, handicapped, homeless, vegetarian whales of color with AIDS for Jesus --M. Liberatore and raze the rainforest too... ************************* From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 23 09:52:36 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:52:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Captain Matchbox Whoopie Band Message-ID: Thanks Peter and William. I think I'll pass on this band. I didn't think they'd be like Radio Birdman, but I was hoping they'd be some little known combination of The Dead Milkmen and Bob Calvert's styles of music/lyrics. Brian obCD> The Dead Milkmen: "Bucky Fellini" -----Original Message----- From: Peter Sondergeld [SMTP:p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 1:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Captain Matchbox Whoopie Band I saw them only once, and that was a long time ago - late 70's some time. I remember their singles "My canary has circles under his eyes" and "Your feet's too big", and their general silliness, but not much else. I remember they were very lively on-stage and got out among the crowd a lot. Here's what the Who's Who of Australian Rock says: "Melbourne 1969-1975. Based around the Conway Brothers, Captain Matchbox successfully combined humour, theatre, rock music and other conglomerations into one act. Many well known musicians passed through this band. 'Mischievous melting pot of roaring twenties carnival sideshow entertainment and vaudevillian lunacy with liberal doses of jug band blues and instrumental mayhem' (A. Fayne). Re-formed in 1976 as Matchbox and performed with the Australian Performing Group. They were later known as the Soapbox Circus. 1978 saw the formation of Circus of Oz, Australia's first rock'n'roll circus, touring here and overseas. They finally broke up in 1981." If you'd like a list of members (too long to post right now) and a discography, email me privately. Pete. At 02:07 PM 22/09/97 -0400, you wrote: >Found this group while trying to find another Australian band, Radio Birdman. Anyone know >anything about them? > >Brian > >obCD> Frank Zappa: Apostrophe (') >obSong> St. Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3802 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 23 08:59:55 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:59:55 +0100 Subject: new pages on the calvert site In-Reply-To: Stalker's message of Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:30 +0200 Message-ID: Stalker writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------DD10A0FA92C24FC063942E8B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hello - > > after a long break - while being forced to exist off-line for a few > weeks - > the Calvert site "the spirit of the p/age" is now back on course. > > loads of material has piled up over the last weeks - now, being finally > re-equipped on the hardware-side - a lot of new material will show up > soon - pics, texts, > interviews, articles etc. I'll be posting up a Brock & Calvert interview from 1977 which appeared in "Sniffin' Flowers" fanzine. Dunno if you have that already. FoFP From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Sep 23 08:30:11 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:30:11 +1000 Subject: OFF: obCD Message-ID: Sorry for the total lack of content! Sonique obCD: Ade Shaw "Displaced Person" -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Tue Sep 23 09:34:11 1997 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:34:11 -0400 Subject: HW : Hawkwind Theme for Windows 95 Plus Message-ID: Maybe this is old new (perhaps it was even a list member who created it) but there is a HAwkwind theme for Windows 95 available at http://www.windows95.com/apps/themes-music.html . I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, though. Anybody know of a BOC theme? Rob V. 69th degree Bewilderbeest of the Serengetti Tradition Lover of the 249th degree Fieldmouse of Nimh of the Serengetti Tradition All hail the Zebra of the Nth degree From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Sep 23 09:45:48 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:45:48 -0500 Subject: HW: New album info Message-ID: > > The new CDS catalogue arrived this morning, containing a veritable > > cornucopia of goodies. First off, some info about the new HW album. > > It's called "Distant Horizons", and the track list is: > > > > Distant Horizons > > Phetamine > > Waimea Canyon Drive > > Alchemy > > Clouded Vision > > Reptoid Vision > > Population Overload > > Wheels > > Kavai > > Taxi For Max > > > > > Is this a concept thing or a book based album? Anyone any ideas? > > I asked Jerry Richards this very thing, he said its not based on a book. However, it does contain a loose theme about humankind being enslaved to its technology. He likened the civilization we've created as being as machine out of control. Below are the lyrics to The Wheel, which is indicative of the perspective conveyed on the new album: The Wheel Ship of steel, container of oil, in this world of the wheel, in this world of oil. Our watches declare we must move on, a blackbird was heard, we were the death to his song. With eyes of Apaches detecting the smoke creepy cities is there no hope. In this world of the wheel, in this world of oil. sandwich of steel, ?farmers? of oil. is there no hope in this world of the wheel. (this world of oil) obCD:Dead Flowers, Altered State Circus whats your problem its what you created Capt. Rizz -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Sep 23 09:48:19 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:48:19 -0400 Subject: HW : Hawkwind Theme for Windows 95 Plus In-Reply-To: from "Rob Vincent" at Sep 23, 97 09:34:11 am Message-ID: >Maybe this is old new (perhaps it was even a list member who created it) >but there is a HAwkwind theme for Windows 95 available at Oh, this is really too easy ... "Shot Down in the Night"? "Deathtrap"? "Coded Languages"? JB "Proudly bringing you cheap shots at Windows 95 since its release ... in 1997" From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Sep 23 10:56:48 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:56:48 -0400 Subject: LP to CD transfer In-Reply-To: <199709221610.RAA25555@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, M Holmes wrote: > OK all you techies. > > They've started selling the CD-write hifi units here at 700 quid (about > 1000 Dollars I guess). Is a "CD-write hifi unit" a consumer audio version of a CD-R drive, i.e. is it styled as a CD player with a record button? The project I work on recently got an external fast+wide SCSI 2x writeable CD-R drive for $200, so I guess these "hifi units" must offer a lot more. > They'll be the CD-R write-once systems I guess. So presumably they could > write CD's from LP's (not illegal if I own the LP's). Not illegal? I thought it was in the UK. (Though I think people should be able to record their analogue media for archival purposes.) Doesn't anyone remember the ol' "Home Taping is Killing Music" campaign on record sleeves? (And does anyone remember Venom's take on it: "Home Taping is Killing Music---and So is Venom!":) > Is it likely that these could also be connected to a 'puter to write > stuff to CD like 'puter files and software? If it has a digital out, then you're presumably on easy street (aside from needing a system/card that can keep up with the bitrate). Naturally, the quality of those samples will be dependent upon the quality of the A/D converter in the CD-write unit; you might do better with a cheap CD-R drive and an audiophile capture card for a PC, especially if you're wanting to edit everything you record from analogue sources anyway. (In fact, the scenario you describe would probably best be served by a regular CD-R drive w/capture card and PC digital editing.) > Also, if I were to use one to write my LP's to CD then it would obviously be > better if I could zap out the snaps, crackles and pops. Would it somehow > be feasible to play an LP, record it digitally on a 'puter, edit the > file using some fancy software to get rid of the pops and then write the > results to CD? > > What would be needed to do this? Is the necessary software available at > a reasonable price? We have a high-end digital editing system in the lab I work in. I talked to the new guy who admins it, and he said that good editing software can be costly (Sonic Solutions, et al). I'm sure low-cost editing software can be had for free (as others have mentioned), but, remember, you get what you pay for. :-) > Ta in advance for any help. If your ostensible aim is to digitally archive your LPs, have you considered just getting a pro-DAT drive? I'm sure it will beat the CD-write unit hands down in terms of price/performance (and the media is reusable!) Naturally, you can't make CD-R bootlegs with a DAT unit, but you did stress these were for your own personal use, didn't you? :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 23 11:51:43 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:43 +0100 Subject: LP to CD transfer In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:56:48 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > They'll be the CD-R write-once systems I guess. So presumably they could > > write CD's from LP's (not illegal if I own the LP's). > > Not illegal? I thought it was in the UK. (Though I think people should > be able to record their analogue media for archival purposes.) Doesn't > anyone remember the ol' "Home Taping is Killing Music" campaign on > record sleeves? It's always been legal to make one cassette copy of your own LP's for your own listening. I presume the same law applies to one CD copy. > > Is it likely that these could also be connected to a 'puter to write > > stuff to CD like 'puter files and software? > > If it has a digital out, then you're presumably on easy street (aside > from needing a system/card that can keep up with the bitrate). Yeah? How likely is that? What sort of thing are we talking about? Mine has a Soundgalaxy Waverider Pro 32-2D card in it for an 8x CD unit. > Naturally, the quality of those samples will be dependent upon the > quality of the A/D converter in the CD-write unit; you might do better > with a cheap CD-R drive and an audiophile capture card for a PC, > especially if you're wanting to edit everything you record from analogue > sources anyway. (In fact, the scenario you describe would probably best > be served by a regular CD-R drive w/capture card and PC digital > editing.) OK, could you advise on hardware and software worth looking at? How effective would the software be at ripping out the pops once the music is digitised? > We have a high-end digital editing system in the lab I work in. I > talked to the new guy who admins it, and he said that good editing > software can be costly (Sonic Solutions, et al). I'm sure low-cost > editing software can be had for free (as others have mentioned), but, > remember, you get what you pay for. :-) > If your ostensible aim is to digitally archive your LPs, have you > considered just getting a pro-DAT drive? I'm sure it will beat the > CD-write unit hands down in terms of price/performance (and the media > is reusable!) On the other hand I usually play CD's because of the convenience (though presumably getting any track indexing on them would be tricky? Or could this be done in software before the write to CD?) > Naturally, you can't make CD-R bootlegs with a DAT unit, > but you did stress these were for your own personal use, didn't you? > :-) Of course I'd only record *my* CDs for my own personal use. Anything else would be illegal. However, I might offer to make copies of my friends' LPs to CD for them to archive. It never hurts for anyone to have a backup. > Paul. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Sep 23 12:01:41 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:01:41 +0800 Subject: LP to CD transfer Message-ID: >On the other hand I usually play CD's because of the convenience (though >presumably getting any track indexing on them would be tricky? Or could >this be done in software before the write to CD?) > Most CD-R's come with software that do just that, some probably better than others. The manuals don't tend to tell you much about copying audio, and I think you have to be careful how you name the tracks. I've successfully compiled one CD from tapes, LP's, etc., with track indexing. Since then I've tried another 3, but the track indexing on them has only worked on my computer's CD player. On all external ones they played as just one long track. Anybody out there have any ideas why this is so? I have no problems copying from CD to CD. William From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Sep 23 12:08:31 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:08:31 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble (Forward) Message-ID: >Subject: Re: Hawkwind Tour in Trouble Apogises if a lot has happened since I started reding this thread but I'ev just got back to uni. All these problems would explain why last tuesday I got a call from the zodica to say the gig was off and it may be resedualed for later. Got the impression it would be something which might happen didn't sound like it was defferit. However the next day they said it had been moved to novermber 7th so may be there is a communications break down somewhere. When I first phoned up the zodica before tickets when on sale the person who answered the phone had to ask if such a thing was happening. Also I got ticket no. 3 and that was after I sent a check off. I must check now I'm back to see what adverising the zodica have done. For petere green and most other acts it's all over town (well about 1 week in advance it is) so hawkwind should be the same. Also quite a few tickets have been sold for worhing assmberly hall since when I got my borther one it was not near the top (from memory). Also can any one tell (if they know) is the reading concert at the ally cats gogin ahead? I got a ticket for 7th but still havn't seen it listed anywhere. I hope they don't cancle these conerts becuase I'ev jet to see them live. May be they moved the 2 concerts back to due to poor ticket sales. Peraphs they should start raido avertising. Are these indepant radio stations too expensive to adverstise on? Hope I havn't gone on but I'd hate to see this tour disappear. Speaking as somoene who has still laod to read about it. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Sep 23 13:30:42 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:30:42 +0100 Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listsevr.spc.edu: host not (Forward) Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:13:12 +0100 >From: M S Wright >Subject: Re: HW: Still no press >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > >> So which gigs have been cancelled? We heard that the Dundee club never >> signed, and you told us that the Milton Keynes one has cancelled. The >> Glasgow club has had it's license temporarily revoked, and I don't know >> whether it will be back "on-line" in time for the gig. Are there any >> others? > >I went to the Reading Alleycat venue last night, and despite them >advertising HW as a forthcoming attraction about a month ago there is now >no mention of them, certainly not for the original date of 29th. Looking >at the official web site I can see no sign of the Cambridge gig, which is >a shame. > >Mike w According to the ally cat the gig had been moved back to 7th november a friday and I have a ticket. If it is cancled then I should be reciving a note or something. After all the zodica PHONED me up twice! Once to say it was off and 2ndly to say it had been moved back. I must give the ally cat a call to make sure nothings happened. Oh and if the zodica concert goes ahead in oxford will my ticket be worht more because it says 29th septemeber when the actual date they played on was the 8th novermber? Since that's only 10min walking distance I hope it goes ahead. Still along time to go jet but other concerts inbetween which also ned to go ahead. If there is anything which any one can suggest doing, let me know. How about an ad in the student magainzes like oxford student or the brookes one TLE. Perpaphs hawkwind want to spend a few days doign mass phone interviews around with all the local papers. Being local hawkwind will be a more famous band to interview than say they would in a national paper since national papers can command more famous people. Timmy Langner From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Sep 23 14:44:11 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:44:11 EST Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists 2CD Message-ID: RPM Records (www.rpmrecords.com) is listing a new HW arrival on their page. Here's their write-up: Hawkwind - Ambient Anarchists / New double disc set providing a remarkably wide sweep through Hawkwind's history, 1973-1995. From: Urban Guerilla live and Sonic Attack through The Forge of Vulcan, Lifeform, and High Rise. 27 tracks in all......$18.99. I don't think this will end up in *my* Kollection, but if anybody sees it and identifies any possibly "new" (previously un-heard) songs then please speak up. RPM also lists a various artists comp called "A Bouquet of Barbed Wire" containing assorted Aussie artists. The HW contained here is "...a rare Salt Tank remix of Hawkwind's "Masters of the Universe". ALSO: There is some new info on the official HW website, including the announcement that the new album will indeed be called "Distant Horizons", and that the upcoming Psych.Warriors album will now be renamed with a new (forthcoming) title. Oh yeah, all the release dates for new CDs are now "T.B.A.". :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at Hpsc.hisd.harris.com capcloud at palmnet.net ObCD: Eat Static - Science of the Gods (promo copy!) From kg at THING.DE Tue Sep 23 13:48:10 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:48:10 +0200 Subject: new pages on the calvert site Message-ID: m. holmes wrote: >I'll be posting up a Brock & Calvert interview from 1977 which appeared >in "Sniffin' Flowers" fanzine. Dunno if you have that already. I've got two or three brock/calvert interviews here - but "sniffin flowers" doesn't sound familiar - so, yes, I'd be grateful if you'd post it. best, knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Sep 23 13:56:45 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:56:45 +0100 Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listsevr.spc.edu: host not (Forward) Message-ID: Does any one have the phone number of the ally cat venue? And having just seen the hawkwind site it said ". All tickets purchased will be valid for the nearest date or venue to the shows affected." Does this mean if the reading conert (not listed) doesn't go ahead I can take my ticket to another show near by? Since it looks like the reading one may be cancled is my ticket worth anything as a ticket for a concert which didn't go ahead or should I just get a refund. Of course it may still go ahead or are unlisted gigs unlikly to happen now? Thanks for any info! Timmy Langner ------------- "Stars occupy miunte areas of space, they are clusted a few billion here and a few billion there as it's seeking consterlation in numbers" (M. Moorcock: Poem and book, Black Corridor) ------------- 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk (I'm a number not a name...) timlang at hotmail.com (...so I put that right) ------------- BOOTLEGS: http://www.brookes.ac.uk/~96163497/bootlegs.html >From there go else where: From Quo to Me. Just go and see (sorry I got bord!) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Sep 23 14:09:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:09:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listsevr.spc.edu: host not (Forward) Message-ID: Huh? Hasn't this mail a quite strange subjectline? Timothy -what are you doing? timotej, tack o hej leverpastej -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Sep 22 18:52:33 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:52:33 +0100 Subject: HW: StrangeDaze "lifestyle" question In-Reply-To: <15099A74B66@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >>-- BIG SNIP --<< >Yeah, me too. It's just that all the people I know who use weed >recreationally are decent folks, married with kids, jobs, mortgages, >etc. We're no different from anyone else, and we aren't responsible >for the end of civilisation. And I know a lot of people whose lives >got way more fucked up due to legal drinking than illegal weed... It's pretty much the same for me - as below my S.O. doesn't, but she's about the only person close to me who doesn't or hasn't. I don't indulge around the kids, and I've never been one for geyying stoned on my own that much. I like my beer/whisky tooo, but the weed doesn't give me a hangover (big plus). I also manage to survive a very high stress techie job in the compuyter biz. > >> the main difference between partiers and non-partiers, is that partiers >> don't usually mind that the 'nons' >> don't. > >Well, I married a non-partyer, and we've been together going on 10 >years now...She doesn't like it simply because it's not legal, no >moralizing otherwise... Mine's tolerant, but generally disapproves, but she knew it was part of my ife when we got together so.... > >> so, if you see me at a show, don't buy me a beer. i dont like alcohol >> anyway. buy me some beef jerky. >> we can smoke it out back. >> >> rj > >Before or after we sodomize their cats? Both... and during *g* ChrisW ObCD: Erotica by Kip Hanrahan (with Jack Bruce & Don Pullen) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Sep 23 22:31:53 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:31:53 +1000 Subject: HW: Fall of earth city Message-ID: Hi all, Have a look at these: http://www.primenet.com/~zazereth/main2.htm Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Sep 23 23:29:56 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:29:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was: New album info) Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:45:48 -0500 Doug Bates wrote: >whats your problem > >its what you created > > - Capt. Rizz Or rather, "Don't let technology rule your life!" over and over about 20 times. Or rather, "Hawkwind's in yer head; Hawkwind's in yer lap!" over and over about 25 times. Anybody else find the Captain a bit overbearing? Damon ObCD: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - _Black_Light_Syndrome_ (**** of 5) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Sep 23 23:43:00 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:43:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was: New album info) Message-ID: HAWKWIND IN THE AREA! HAWKWIND IN THE LAND! DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:45:48 -0500 Doug Bates > wrote: > > >whats your problem > > > >its what you created > > > > - Capt. Rizz > > Or rather, "Don't let technology rule your life!" over and over about 20 > times. > > Or rather, "Hawkwind's in yer head; Hawkwind's in yer lap!" over and > over about 25 times. > > Anybody else find the Captain a bit overbearing? > > Damon > > ObCD: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - _Black_Light_Syndrome_ (**** of 5) From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Wed Sep 24 02:19:34 1997 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:19:34 +0300 Subject: LP to CD transfer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:56:48 EDT." Message-ID: Paul's message dated: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:56:48 EDT > > If your ostensible aim is to digitally archive your LPs, have you > considered just getting a pro-DAT drive? I'm sure it will beat the > CD-write unit hands down in terms of price/performance (and the media is > reusable!) Naturally, you can't make CD-R bootlegs with a DAT unit, but > you did stress these were for your own personal use, didn't you? :-) How durable are these CD-R's anyway? I think that I've read somewhere that in less than 10 years they'll be unreadable (unlistenable too). Maybe it was even in the figures of five years. Anyone know more about this? Anyway I'd think that good old tape (DAT) should last longer. //niko ObGuitarSolo: Keep It Greasy, FZ. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Sep 24 03:48:48 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:48:48 +0200 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: Hi, Just wanna let You know that there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, only for domestic use unfortunatly. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Sep 24 05:15:00 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:15:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Alleycat (Reading) gig In-Reply-To: <199709231756.SAA21566@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, langner timothy wrote: > Does any one have the phone number of the ally cat venue? > The number is 0118 956116 I have just got off the phone to them, and they say the date they had been given has not been confirmed, so it is not going ahaed. I did offer to purchase two tickets but this did not sway their mind. It all sounds like a frightful muddle and one that I'll blame on management. Alleycats did offer a Gong gig and an Eat Static gig, but no Hawkwind. Which simply is not good enough. Alleycats also have a web page, www.sounds-good.co.uk/alleycat, but it is often a month behind the true date, which is about as poor as booking a tour, not advertising it, changing the dates, not confirming them and then wondering why ticket sales are poor. Is it because they haven't done a proper tour for ages that they cannot remember how to organise one? Maybe I can suggest a piss up in an establishment that brews beer as something they could practice on? Mike w From bs at PP-ULM.DE Wed Sep 24 06:35:21 1997 From: bs at PP-ULM.DE (Benjamin Schmid) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:35:21 +0100 Subject: HW:Where to get HW-CDs in Germany? Message-ID: Hi everybody! Can anybody tell me where to get Hawkwind CDs in Germany (at a valueable price). I?ve searching for a German store for a long time but Hawkwind CDs seems to be a very rare ;-) It would be nice if somebody could give me a hint / adress. -- ___----____ _-- _______ -- ===Feel=the=spirit=of=Hawkwind=&=Douglas=== / _-- (o) \ |--__ ___ ___ ___ _ _ / / _/ - \ | \ ___ _ _ /_/ |_ | _ \__ _ _ _ (_)__| | / _/______ | | |) / _ \ ' \ | _| | _/ _` | ' \| / _|_| / / |/ |___/\___/_||_| \__| |_| \__,_|_||_|_\__(_) \ -------------------- bs at pp-ulm.de ------------\ From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Sep 24 05:13:40 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:13:40 +1000 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists 2CD Message-ID: On 23 Sep 97 at 13:44, cjohnson wrote: > RPM also lists a various artists comp called "A Bouquet of Barbed > Wire" containing assorted Aussie artists. The HW contained here is > "...a rare Salt Tank remix of Hawkwind's "Masters of the Universe". This is a compilation of primarily industrial and Gothic stuff from Heartland Records, a small label/store here in Melbourne. It so happens that the guy who runs it is helping me (and others) to finance the Oz Tour in Jan/Feb 98. Heartland may also be releasing a Australian Tour HW compilation CD Incidentaly, the Salt Tank remix is the one from "EBS Samples" .... Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Sep 24 05:21:30 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:21:30 +1000 Subject: HW : Hawkwind Theme for Windows 95 Plus Message-ID: On 23 Sep 97 at 9:34, Rob Vincent wrote: > Maybe this is old new (perhaps it was even a list member who created it) but > there is a HAwkwind theme for Windows 95 available at > http://www.windows95.com/apps/themes-music.html . I haven't had a chance to > check it out yet, though. Anybody know of a BOC theme? That was done by "Scatter", one of the people on the OzHawks list. The sounds are well chosen ..... Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 24 05:55:43 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:43 +0100 Subject: Where to get HW-CDs in Germany? Message-ID: > Can anybody tell me where to get Hawkwind CDs in Germany (at a valueable > price). I?ve searching for a German store for a long time but Hawkwind > CDs seems to be a very rare ;-) Internet mail order may be your best bet - there's lots of companies out there, and it's worth shopping around, but http://www.cdzone.co.uk might be a good starting point. Or you could burgle Bernhard's house :) > _-- _______ -- ===Feel=the=spirit=of=Hawkwind=&=Douglas=== Douglas????? As in Smith???? In the jungle????? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 24 06:12:59 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:12:59 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Publicity Shock! Message-ID: Denizens of this list will be shocked to hear a report from a friend concerning Hawkwind's appearance at the Liquid Rooms here next month. "There are posters all over town" my compatriot told me. Next thing we know the album will be out on time and the stars will start going out. FoFP From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 24 07:10:42 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:10:42 +0100 Subject: HW:UK Tour-Wolverhampton Message-ID: DeCloaking.... I was watching the local cable channel last night, and behold and advert for HW at the local civic hall. That's mass coverage folk ;-) Also I seem to have aquired a spare ticket for the Wolverhampton Gig ( a friend had to pull out due to holiday commitments) any takers... Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 24 07:50:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:50:55 EDT Subject: off:obcd Message-ID: > > > > ObCD: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - _Black_Light_Syndrome_ (**** of 5) Hey, how is this? I haven't been able to find it yet. Where did you get it? Steve's out of this world. Terry can bury anyone this side of Albert... theo *************************************** Nuke the unborn, gay, handicapped, homeless, vegetarian whales of color with AIDS for Jesus --M. Liberatore and raze the rainforest too... ************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 24 08:22:35 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:22:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: >Hi, > >Just wanna let You know that there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, >only for domestic use unfortunatly. That's to prevent a Moose stampede across the border. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Sep 24 09:23:18 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:23:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). (+stuff) Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >Just wanna let You know that there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, > >only for domestic use unfortunatly. > > That's to prevent a Moose stampede across the border. My sister was bitten by a moose once. (Or have we done that joke already) (Not paying attention etc...!) Cheers, Rich. PS Hard Rain (Magnum old boys keep going) tour details on my Magnum site at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717/mag.html There are contact details for a few places I've seen HW mentioned as playing in there too. PPS HW at Coney Island High - top gig, I'll get the photos developed soon and post them somewhere. PPPS ObLP Only the Meteors are Pure Psychobilly PPPPS Err, that's it. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Sep 24 10:53:02 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:53:02 +0200 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: >>Hi, >> >>Just wanna let You know that there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, >>only for domestic use unfortunatly. > >That's to prevent a Moose stampede across the border. Maybe, but the reason they are printed are to prevent German (Hi Knut, Bernhard et al.) tourists stealing trafficsigns with mooses (Meeses) on, so I think it would be a good thing to be able to send them to Germany at least. I think the general idea is to have them to buy the stamps instead. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Sep 24 10:55:59 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:59 -0400 Subject: LP to CD transfer In-Reply-To: <199709240619.JAA25519@jarru> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Niko Makila wrote: > Paul's message dated: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:56:48 EDT > > > > If your ostensible aim is to digitally archive your LPs, have you > > considered just getting a pro-DAT drive? I'm sure it will beat the > > CD-write unit hands down in terms of price/performance (and the media is > > reusable!) Naturally, you can't make CD-R bootlegs with a DAT unit, but > > you did stress these were for your own personal use, didn't you? :-) > > How durable are these CD-R's anyway? I think that I've read somewhere > that in less than 10 years they'll be unreadable (unlistenable too). > Maybe it was even in the figures of five years. Anyone know more about > this? Anyway I'd think that good old tape (DAT) should last longer. The other big advantage of DAT over CD-R is recording length. You can fit two hours of music on a 60 metre tape, and 3 hours on a 90 metre one. This is great for archiving live analogue cassettes onto digital, whereas most live tapes (C-90 and up) won't fit on a 74-minute CD-R. DAT media is cheaper than CD-R, too (even ignoring the fact it is re-recordable). Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off the ground. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Sep 24 09:43:49 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:43:49 -0000 Subject: OFF: Gong no UK Tv Message-ID: For anybody who's interested, Gong a apparently going to be on VH-1 (Europe) sometime this week. The program is 'Take It To The Bridge', the same show that featured HW a while back. That's all I know. The Bridge (according to my Tv paper) is on friday at 1.30am (after a Genesis thing) and Saturday at 7.30 pm. I don't know which show it may be, I just spotted the listing on VH-1 teletext which has a habit of being very out of date. Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 24 12:03:40 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:03:40 +0100 Subject: LP to CD transfer In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > The other big advantage of DAT over CD-R is recording length. You can > fit two hours of music on a 60 metre tape, and 3 hours on a 90 metre > one. This is great for archiving live analogue cassettes onto digital, > whereas most live tapes (C-90 and up) won't fit on a 74-minute CD-R. > DAT media is cheaper than CD-R, too (even ignoring the fact it is > re-recordable). > > Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off the > ground. Eh? Woss DVD Barry? FoFP From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Sep 24 11:11:57 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:11:57 CDT Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: Paul said: >Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off the >ground. What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will also handle standard cd's--is that true? Thanks! Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Sep 24 12:59:00 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:59:00 +0200 Subject: LP to CD transfer Message-ID: At 05:03 PM 9/24/97 +0100, you wrote: >Paul Mather writes: > >> The other big advantage of DAT over CD-R is recording length. You can >> fit two hours of music on a 60 metre tape, and 3 hours on a 90 metre >> one. This is great for archiving live analogue cassettes onto digital, >> whereas most live tapes (C-90 and up) won't fit on a 74-minute CD-R. >> DAT media is cheaper than CD-R, too (even ignoring the fact it is >> re-recordable). >> >> Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off the >> ground. > >Eh? Woss DVD Barry? > >FoFP > It's easier to explain what it _not_ is... DVD doesn't mean Digital Video Disc or Digital Versatile Disc... but it used to... now DVD just means DVD...and nothing more... ;-) [but it's true!] -Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Sep 24 12:30:28 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:30:28 -0600 Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: Allan, Go for the DVD! I wouldn't even think of getting a laser disc player now that DVD is available. Some advantages of DVD: 1. the DVD discs are the size of a normal CD 2. the DVD players will usually double as CD players 3. you can get a DVD-ROM drive for your computer that holds several times as much data as a CD-ROM, and hook it up to your TV to play movies (it should also be compatible with current CD-ROMs) 4. no swapping discs -- a whole movie fits on a single DVD 5. There will soon be many DVD titles -- I predict that DVD will be to laser disc what vhs is to beta 6. other reasons I can't think of right now -Aaron P.S. if you do get a DVD I will be jealous :) On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 9:12 AM, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. [SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] wrote: > Paul said: > > >Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off > the > >ground. > > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > also handle standard cd's--is that true? > > Thanks! > > Allan. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com > http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net > From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Sep 24 13:48:28 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:48:28 +0100 Subject: Lord of Light Message-ID: having just only been able to go into a bigger record shop whihc will carry new hawkwind sotkc I pciked up their lastest single. Just one question. Why wasn't lord of light on the album. It's really good. Better than some of the other songs. Also is the sonic attack a new recording with just bob calverts voice added over it? And where did they get his vocals from? Is the orginal avaible? This new version isn't that bad. Better than some of the 83/84 live versions I've heard but not as good as the hammersmith concert version I heard. That was the best. Also does any one know what songs were missed off the sinlge the 2 they decided to get rid of? I don't like the drum beat on love in space though. THen I hate most dance track beats and this is a bit like them. Timmy Langner From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Sep 24 13:56:30 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:56:30 +0200 Subject: Lord of Light In-Reply-To: <199709241748.SAA05987@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:48 24.09.97 +0100, you wrote: >Also is the sonic attack a new recording with just bob calverts voice >added over it? And where did they get his vocals from? Is the orginal >avaible? I suppose the original vocals are from an Autumn 1976 HAWKWIND gig I'm not sure if I have that tape. AFAIK there exist only 4 live tapes from this tour (yes, I've got them) Bernhard From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Sep 24 15:25:21 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:25:21 -0400 Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) In-Reply-To: <0008zvvbrvlh.H0000d9900d73422@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > also handle standard cd's--is that true? With laser disc, the video is actually encoded on the disc as an analogue signal (which is why they are much harder to press); DVD is all-digital. The big thing about DVD is basically the fact it offers an order of magnitude more storage per disc than CD (gigabytes vs. megabytes). This makes possible a lot of things, most notably digital video. Digital audio and video consume a huge amount of storage; within that storage, there is great leeway as how one can encode the A/V, making the medium very flexible in terms of formats, resolutions, sampling rates, etc. that it can support. DVD supports HDTV resolution with surround sound, for example. No sweat. Unfortunately, as with all new technologies, the initial customers bear the brunt of it regarding cost. However, just like VHS, the price of equipment will eventually come down to ridiculously low prices (compared to the initial units). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Rush, _A Farewell to Kings_ (remastered) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Sep 24 14:24:59 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:24:59 CDT Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: What are costs on DVD? Are there any good places to look for basic info on DVD (web sites, audiophile mags, etc.)? As an aside, once I'd heard that Star Wars was going to be released on LD and DVD in November, that was what tipped the scales in me moving from ever so vaguely thinking about a digital video player of some sort, to beginning to look into it. Allan. ------------------ From: BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:15 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Allan, Go for the DVD! I wouldn't even think of getting a laser disc player now that DVD is available. Some advantages of DVD: 1. the DVD discs are the size of a normal CD 2. the DVD players will usually double as CD players 3. you can get a DVD-ROM drive for your computer that holds several times as much data as a CD-ROM, and hook it up to your TV to play movies (it should also be compatible with current CD-ROMs) 4. no swapping discs -- a whole movie fits on a single DVD 5. There will soon be many DVD titles -- I predict that DVD will be to laser disc what vhs is to beta 6. other reasons I can't think of right now -Aaron P.S. if you do get a DVD I will be jealous :) On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 9:12 AM, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. [SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] wrote: > Paul said: > > >Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off > the > >ground. > > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > also handle standard cd's--is that true? > > Thanks! > > Allan. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com > http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net > From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Sep 24 16:11:09 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:11:09 -0600 Subject: Lord of Light Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > At 18:48 24.09.97 +0100, you wrote: > > >Also is the sonic attack a new recording with just bob calverts voice > > >added over it? And where did they get his vocals from? Is the orginal > > >avaible? > > I suppose the original vocals are from an Autumn 1976 HAWKWIND gig > I'm not sure if I have that tape. > > I may be mistaken, but didn't Micheal Moorcock do that one at one > time?? PAm -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool I just saw a Toshiba DVD at PriceCostco for under $500. You might try to find their site to take a look. I read a FAQ on the net about a year ago that was very informative, but I don't remember where I found it. This information is out there, if you look for it. The prices have been dropping slowly but steadily -- I plan to get one within a year or so. If you get your hands on one or find a good deal, let me know! Aaron On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:25 PM, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. [SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] wrote: > What are costs on DVD? Are there any good places to look for basic info > on DVD (web sites, audiophile mags, etc.)? > > As an aside, once I'd heard that Star Wars was going to be released on > LD and DVD in November, that was what tipped the scales in me moving > from ever so vaguely thinking about a digital video player of some sort, > to beginning to look into it. > > Allan. > > ------------------ > > From: BOC-L > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:15 PM > To: Grohe, Allan T.; > Subject: Re: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) > > Allan, > Go for the DVD! I wouldn't even think of getting a laser disc player now > that DVD is available. Some advantages of DVD: > 1. the DVD discs are the size of a normal CD > 2. the DVD players will usually double as CD players > 3. you can get a DVD-ROM drive for your computer that holds several > times > as much data as a CD-ROM, and hook it up to your TV to play movies (it > should also be compatible with current CD-ROMs) > 4. no swapping discs -- a whole movie fits on a single DVD > 5. There will soon be many DVD titles -- I predict that DVD will be to > laser disc what vhs is to beta > 6. other reasons I can't think of right now > > -Aaron > P.S. if you do get a DVD I will be jealous :) > > On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 9:12 AM, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > [SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] wrote: > > Paul said: > > > > >Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off > > the > > >ground. > > > > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm > thinking > > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in > about > > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > > also handle standard cd's--is that true? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Allan. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > > - - - - - - - - - > > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com > > http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net > > > From stayer at PI.NET Wed Sep 24 21:32:52 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:32:52 -0700 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: > >>there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, > >>only for domestic use unfortunatly. > >That's to prevent a Moose stampede across the border.Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Maybe, but the reason they are printed are to prevent German (Hi Knut, > Bernhard et al.) tourists stealing trafficsigns with mooses (Meeses) on I thought it was the Dutch tourists stealing all the road signs... Jerry From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Sep 24 18:05:38 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:05:38 +0200 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: At 06:32 PM 9/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >>there are Moose stamps on sale in Sweden now, >> >>only for domestic use unfortunatly. >> >That's to prevent a Moose stampede across the border.Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >> Maybe, but the reason they are printed are to prevent German (Hi Knut, >> Bernhard et al.) tourists stealing trafficsigns with mooses (Meeses) on > >I thought it was the Dutch tourists stealing all the road signs... > >Jerry No, it's the Germans! I don't know if I have told you this before but in tourist-shops (?) in Sweden you can buy moose poo-poo just because the German tourists buy it. I certainly not want to know what they are doing with it at home! -Daniel Wikdahl (1/4 German himself - but I only collect my cats' poo-poo... anyone that wants to trade?) "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Sep 24 18:25:23 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:25:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: the murmuring on Born to Be Wild Message-ID: hey you guys, On the OYFoOYK intro to the tune in the subject, what does she say just before she howls? it's perceptable as in being heard, but hard to discern the content. filling his daily quota of BOC on the list, Jason From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Sep 24 21:25:05 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:25:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970924220538.00935cd8@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 00:05 25.09.97 +0200, you wrote: >No, it's the Germans! I don't know if I have told you this before but in >tourist-shops (?) in Sweden you can buy moose poo-poo just because the >German tourists buy it. Yeah, but remember the mooseshit is either imported from Norway or the shitpickers work for Norwegian companies, or at least the choice turds come from Hardanger in Norway. There's an extra 15 % moose shit tax in Sweden, and you can bring up to 5 pounds of mooseshit anywhere outside the EU tax free (which means Norway). It is sometimes sold on streets as fake hash in rural areas (which means backwater places like Oslo). > I certainly not want to know what they are doing >with it at home! I've seen shellacked turds set into jewelry on TV - some demented farmer had the idea and actually made it big... Sucker the tourists to paying money to BUY feces AND take it AWAY to their own parts of the world !! And wear it!!!! Suckers born every day... > -Daniel Wikdahl (1/4 German himself - but I only collect my >cats' poo-poo... anyone that wants to trade?) Yeah! I have some creamy siamese (he's 17 years old and eats only soft mushy food) - how many scoops ya want for couple of lumps? (hearing kitty scrape his box...) Christian From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Sep 24 20:47:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:47:07 -0400 Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: save yer money. dont buy the laser, cos dvd WILL be better. wait till it's been out and the bugs are gone, and the price drops. rj Aaron Crandall wrote: > > Allan, > Go for the DVD! I wouldn't even think of getting a laser disc player now > that DVD is available. Some advantages of DVD: > 1. the DVD discs are the size of a normal CD > 2. the DVD players will usually double as CD players > 3. you can get a DVD-ROM drive for your computer that holds several times > as much data as a CD-ROM, and hook it up to your TV to play movies (it > should also be compatible with current CD-ROMs) > 4. no swapping discs -- a whole movie fits on a single DVD > 5. There will soon be many DVD titles -- I predict that DVD will be to > laser disc what vhs is to beta > 6. other reasons I can't think of right now > > -Aaron > P.S. if you do get a DVD I will be jealous :) > > On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 9:12 AM, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > [SMTP:AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM] wrote: > > Paul said: > > > > >Of course, all this may become a moot point when DVD really gets off > > the > > >ground. > > > > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking > > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about > > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > > also handle standard cd's--is that true? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Allan. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > - - - - - - - - - > > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com > > http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net > > From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Sep 24 23:39:06 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:39:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: >At 00:05 25.09.97 +0200, you wrote: > >>No, it's the Germans! I don't know if I have told you this before but in >>tourist-shops (?) in Sweden you can buy moose poo-poo just because the >>German tourists buy it. > >Yeah, but remember the mooseshit is either imported from Norway or the >shitpickers work for Norwegian companies, or at least the choice >turds come from Hardanger in Norway. There's an extra 15 % >moose shit tax in Sweden, and you can bring up to 5 pounds of >mooseshit anywhere outside the EU tax free (which means Norway). >It is sometimes sold on streets as fake hash in rural areas (which >means backwater places like Oslo). That used to be true, but nowadays most of this comes from Moose raised in central and south american countries, at the expense of vast deforestation of the rain forest (most of which is only good for moose grazing for about 2 months before it becomes tropical tundra). Please, check to make sure you only get authentic scandinavian mooseshit. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Sep 25 00:05:52 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:05:52 -0500 Subject: off:obcd (Bozzio,Levin,Stevens) Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:50:55 EDT "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: >> > >> > ObCD: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - _Black_Light_Syndrome_ (**** of 5) > >Hey, how is this? I haven't been able to find it yet. Where did you >get it? Steve's out of this world. Terry can bury anyone this side >of Albert... I got it from CD Connection, my usual online provider. They're less expensive than CDNow, and any order over $100 gets free shipping! :-) Come to think of it, the BLS album is in their top twenty new rock releases, too. Damon From stayer at PI.NET Thu Sep 25 10:21:52 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:21:52 -0700 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: [ Moose stamps ] > >> Maybe, but the reason they are printed are to prevent German (Hi Knut, > >> Bernhard et al.) tourists stealing trafficsigns with mooses (Meeses) on I wrote: > >I thought it was the Dutch tourists stealing all the road signs... Daniel: > No, it's the Germans! I don't know if I have told you this before but in > tourist-shops (?) in Sweden you can buy moose poo-poo just because the > German tourists buy it. I certainly not want to know what they are doing > with it at home! Er... OK, that definitely does not sound like the Dutch... Thanks! :-) Jerry From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 25 02:17:50 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:17:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Music and SF Message-ID: Can anybody help me - I know that somewhere on the internet I have seen an FAQ on science fiction and music. A list of bands who have been influenced directly by SF stuff. Can anybody give me a URL - my searches keep finding nothing Thanks a lot. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Sep 25 04:20:43 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:20:43 +0100 Subject: LEMMY - is it Kilminster or Kilmister??? Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > As for Kilminster, I think it's with the 'n'. We all > > know we can count on the sleves of Hawkwind CDs to > > correct all our spelling. > > I'm virtually certain it's no 'n'... for instance, in the Overkill songbook > (which I got back in about 79 when I had delusions of learning the guitar), > all the songs are credited to "Ian Kilmister, Philip Taylor and Edward > Clarke" (except for Damage Case, of course, with Mick Farren too). And some > very tasteful (really!) band portraits again have the name as KILMISTER in > big letters. The name "Lemmy" doesn't appear anywhere in it!!! > > In fact, it's an interesting little document - an introductory short story by > MF, too! Chrisc, Motorhead guru tells me... Okey dokey. Glad to help as ever. The solution to your problem is ... KILMISTER On occasion, the name has been printed wrongly on record sleeves/writing credits, but Motorhead stuff is littered with these errors, if indeed errors they are. Examples include the classic 'Keepers on the road' on the white vinyl version of Motorhead. I'll try to find a couple of 'Kilminster' misspellings just to be a clever bastard. -- Chris C And I've been getting it wrong all these years. Ah well. Cheers, Rich. ** http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717/mag.html ** From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 25 05:03:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:03:38 +0100 Subject: HW : Cardiacs pull out Message-ID: Spoke to someone in Cardiacs camp last night. They've pulled out of all 11 dates. No promotion, no ticket sales. and quote "not sure if the whole tours been cancelled." A case of phoneing the venue before setting out, it seems..... -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 25 07:42:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:42:35 EDT Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). Message-ID: > From: Jerry > [ Moose stamps ] > > >> Maybe, but the reason they are printed are to prevent German (Hi Knut, > > >> Bernhard et al.) tourists stealing trafficsigns with mooses (Meeses) on > > I wrote: > > >I thought it was the Dutch tourists stealing all the road signs... > > Daniel: > > No, it's the Germans! I don't know if I have told you this before but in > > tourist-shops (?) in Sweden you can buy moose poo-poo just because the > > German tourists buy it. I certainly not want to know what they are doing > > with it at home! > > Er... OK, that definitely does not sound like the Dutch... > > Thanks! :-) > Jerry They do the same thing in Alaska. I saw a pair of earings which were 'moose nuggets' dipped in acrylic! All sorts of nugget trinkets which had been preserved to, I presume, mask the odor! theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 25 07:55:17 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:55:17 EDT Subject: off:obcd (Bozzio,Levin,Stevens) Message-ID: > From: DAMON CAPEHART > >> > > >> > ObCD: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens - _Black_Light_Syndrome_ (**** of 5) > > > >Hey, how is this? I haven't been able to find it yet. Where did you > >get it? Steve's out of this world. Terry can bury anyone this side > >of Albert... > > I got it from CD Connection, my usual online provider. They're less > expensive than CDNow, and any order over $100 gets free shipping! :-) > > Come to think of it, the BLS album is in their top twenty new rock > releases, too. > > Damon Thanks, man. Is there a URL for CD connection? theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Sep 25 08:46:25 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:46:25 +1000 Subject: OFF: Calling Carl E. Anderson .... Message-ID: Sorry folks .. Carl, if your out there somewhere can you e me your postal address? Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 25 09:42:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:42:53 -0400 Subject: off:obcd (Bozzio,Levin,Stevens) Message-ID: >Thanks, man. Is there a URL for CD connection? www.cdconnection.com -- I've used them several times in the past myself for various CDs. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 25 09:58:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:58:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Manuel - send me e-mail Message-ID: Apologies to the list for this, but ... Manuel, since you outbid me on the "Il Grande Rock" CD from Bolle, I wanted to get the track listing from you for the FAQ, and specifically, since this is a compilation, whether the tracks are all studio - if there's any live tracks, let me know which album they're from. You might have given me this info before, but I can't seem to find it. John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Sep 25 10:25:58 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:25:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic College Confrontation Message-ID: Interesting thing when the used cd peddler came to campus: Selling flats $2 a op and lo and behold there was one for Cult Classic. $2 is a bit too much for a piece of cardboard (esp. one with a bent cardboard corner) -- even if it has BOC on it. For those of you who have seen them, what was the coolest record store display/most interesting promotional gimic(sp?) for a BOC lp? and is it possible to find posters of any of the 1st 3 LP covers anywhere? playing "Ham and Eggs" by the Blackbyrds before "Quicklime Girl" on his radio show, Jason (Well it could have been worse-I did play Massenet's "Meditation" from Thais before Led Zep's "Hot Dog." today --I could hear classical music lover's cringe a mile away:)) From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Sep 25 10:41:45 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:41:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Music and SF In-Reply-To: David Jones "OFF: Music and SF" (Sep 25, 7:17am) Message-ID: David Jones wrote: > Can anybody help me - I know that somewhere on the internet I have seen an > FAQ on science fiction and music. A list of bands who have been > influenced directly by SF stuff. > > Can anybody give me a URL - my searches keep finding nothing You can find it at http://www.landfield.com/faqs/music/sci-fi-refs/ or http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/music/sci-fi-refs/faq.html and probably several other places. It's maintained by a college friend of mine, Rich Kulawiec. If you send him any updates, say 'Hi' for me. Frank ObOnTopic: This FAQ has an exstensive Hawkwind listing, as well as ones for BOC, Tim Blake, Deep Fix, etc. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 We've done Windows apps, but we didn't inhale. -- Phillipe Kahn, founder of Borland From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Sep 25 11:13:39 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:13:39 +1000 Subject: IRC or somesuch thing? Message-ID: Hi all once again (3 times in the last five minutes) Has anyone ever considered ever meeting on an IRC channel or something like that to have a bit of a chattie? I do remember someone mentioning this a year ago, but wasn't too sure of IRC at that time. Does anyone still do this? I have set up a Hawkwind thingie on IRC sometimes, but with no really response. Anyone interested? Max Wilcox http://student.uq.edu.au/~s333271/index.html Brisbane OzHawks http://student.uq.edu.au/~s333271/HawkBris/IndexO.html From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Sep 25 11:27:55 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:27:55 +0100 Subject: IRC or somesuch thing? (Forward) Message-ID: Max said: > Has anyone ever considered ever meeting on an IRC channel or something like that to have a bit of a chattie? It's sometihng that the status quo e-mail discuession group do but they don't get lots of people in it every week. >Does anyone still do this? If someone could organise it may be a memebr of hawkwind could do an interview in an IRC room. Regulating the people who speak could be done using voice modes, scripts and bots. So that only 1 peron speaks at a time. > Anyone interested? Only if it's an IRC servce provider I can acess and at a time when I don't have loads of work (ie sunday night). Tim From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 25 11:34:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:34:28 EDT Subject: Rock concert violence Message-ID: Anyone ever hear of the above title? [I suppose it's in the FAQ!] I actually think it might be serious! Like some kind of teenager indoctrination attempt against Rock Music. Anyway, it's supposed to feature 'guests' Blue Oyster Cult... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 25 12:17:36 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:17:36 -0400 Subject: IRC or somesuch thing? Message-ID: There is a BOC chat every sunday 5pm pst....over at the very cool BOC on line http://j-and-a.com/boca.htm From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 25 12:33:40 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:33:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Music and SF In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > David Jones wrote: > > Can anybody help me - I know that somewhere on the internet I have seen an > > FAQ on science fiction and music. A list of bands who have been > > influenced directly by SF stuff. > > > > Can anybody give me a URL - my searches keep finding nothing > > You can find it at > > http://www.landfield.com/faqs/music/sci-fi-refs/ > > or > > http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/music/sci-fi-refs/faq.html > > and probably several other places. It's maintained by a college > friend of mine, Rich Kulawiec. If you send him any updates, say 'Hi' > for me. ObStory: Way way back, and I reckon we'd be talking sometime between 1987 and 1989 I first came across this list and had a peruse. I emailed the then owners and said "Say, if you're interested in the connection between SF and music you may want to look at a band called Hawkwind..." and included a discography. I don't know for sure that this is the outgrowth of the same list but I suspect so. FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 25 13:05:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:05:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Music and SF Message-ID: > ObOnTopic: This FAQ has an exstensive Hawkwind listing, as well as > ones for BOC, Tim Blake, Deep Fix, etc. And even manages to squeeze in an entry on Mylene Farmer! Excellent! But no Mick Farren! The black attack ships of Zeta Reticuli... :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 25 14:01:47 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:01:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Music and SF In-Reply-To: <199709251633.RAA11745@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Frank Weil writes: > >> David Jones wrote: >> > Can anybody help me - I know that somewhere on the internet I have seen an >> > FAQ on science fiction and music. Thanks very much for the info all of you From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Sep 26 01:31:30 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:31:30 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: Hi, Kris Today mailed me today to say that she has updated the Mission Control site. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Sep 26 05:01:51 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:01:51 +0100 Subject: HW:Gloucs gig on Sunday Message-ID: This is just to confirm that the HW gig on Sunday at Gloucester Leisure Centre is cancelled. Tickets will be accepted at Swindon on the 10th Nov. The reason it was cancelled was 'not enough tickets sold'. I guess that if the nearest venue to Gloucester is Swindon this means the Bristol gig is off, which was meant to be the following Sunday. This is backed up by it not being on the web page. Things are pretty diasppointing for us Southern England fans, no Gloucester, Bristol, Oxford, Reading gigs, well, there is the re-arranged Oxford one, and we still have Guildford. Yours glumly, not going to see Hawkwind this weekend Mike w From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 26 05:54:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:54:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: Live album from the US tour!?! Lemmy (maybe) and Capt Rizz guesting on the UK tour? Blimey! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Sep 26 06:22:39 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:22:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) Message-ID: Andy said: >Live album from the US tour!?! Another one? Still as long as the show is as good as the bootleged concerts I'll buy it and since nicks on it I'll buy it any way. Also may be this time they won't edit it. Also does anyone have/or know where to get hold of the motorhead tour dates so I can have a rough idea where lemmy might play with them. Thanks Timmy From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Sep 26 07:03:09 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:03:09 +0100 Subject: HW:Dracfest Message-ID: We're not worty, we're not worthy ! Dracfest gets a small mention in today's Independent newspaper. It describes HW as 'cult 60s psychedelic band'. Neil. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 26 08:16:57 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:16:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Dracfest Message-ID: On Friday, September 26, 1997 12:03 PM, Neil Shilladay [SMTP:shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM] wrote: > We're not worty, we're not worthy ! > > Dracfest gets a small mention in today's Independent newspaper. It describes > HW as 'cult 60s psychedelic band'. > > Neil. 70s, surely! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Sep 26 09:57:44 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:57:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer picture Message-ID: I learned on the Divine Rights (part Radio Birdman) list that Brother Wayne has been playing in a band that includes Deniz Tek on guitars as well. The name of the group is Dodge Main, and apparently they recently played a smokin' show in Cleveland. A member of the DR list sent me a jpeg of Wayne playing in Washington D.C. a few years ago. If anyone's interested, let me know and I'll send it to you. For those who don't know, but give a damn, Deniz Tek was the guitarist for Radio Birdman before they broke-up (reunited, and broke-up again). To put this message a little on topic, they had an album in '77 called "Radios Appear". Which, of course, is taken from the BOC song "Dominance & Submission". Brian obCD> MC5 "Kick Out the Jams" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 26 04:23:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:23:10 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Publicity Shock! In-Reply-To: <199709241012.LAA06828@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199709241012.LAA06828 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Denizens of this list will be shocked to hear a report from a friend >concerning Hawkwind's appearance at the Liquid Rooms here next month. >"There are posters all over town" my compatriot told me. > >Next thing we know the album will be out on time and the stars will >start going out. > >FoFP And Vic Reeves mentioned them in his Omnibus biography, last Sunday, on BBC 1. Further to this, the other morning on GLR (radio) there was a short feature on The Roundhouse in Camden, where HW were again mentioned, described (along with The Stranglers) as "cutting edge" music. Then they played Silver Machine, just to demonstrate what a cutting edge radio station they are, no doubt. Elsewhere, I read Daevid Allen describe Gong as "a more feminine Hawkwind". (but that was probably an ancient quote.) -- Jon Browne ObCD Leonard Cohen this morning. That sort of mood. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 26 15:20:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:20:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is BOCbase gone? Message-ID: Anybody been to the BOCbase website lately? I tried today, but couldn't access it - I was wondering if if had gone away. I'm in the process of updating the FAQ, so if it has moved or dissappeared, I'd like to find out. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 26 15:42:46 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:42:46 EDT Subject: BOC: Is BOCbase gone? Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Anybody been to the BOCbase website lately? I tried today, but couldn't > access it - I was wondering if if had gone away. I'm in the process of > updating the FAQ, so if it has moved or dissappeared, I'd like to find > out. > > John John, If you're working on the FAQ, you might want to make a reference to that video 'Rock Concert Violence' if it's not already in there: 27 min. , 1/2 in. Hosted by Haywood Nelson, Carolyn McEwen, and Timothy Slough; quest star BOC; music video featuring BOC. Saturn Productions, 1985. 'ST9701.' [I presume this last to be a stock number or some such...] theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From stayer at PI.NET Sat Sep 27 04:09:47 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:09:47 -0700 Subject: BOC: Is BOCbase gone? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Anybody been to the BOCbase website lately? I tried today, but couldn't > access it - I was wondering if if had gone away. I'm in the process of > updating the FAQ, so if it has moved or dissappeared, I'd like to find > out. The server was down during Summer (high school policy - fuckers!), but it should be up again. I checked this morning. I have neglected BOCbase for some time and will do some updating soon. Note that the IP address has changed! Old: http://145.89.78.151 New: http://145.89.82.151 (Shit, I don't even remember the full pathname... should be like http://145.89.82.151/~martijn/boc/ or something...) Jerry From mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET Sat Sep 27 04:20:28 1997 From: mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET (Michael Galvin) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:20:28 -0700 Subject: Rock concert violence In-Reply-To: <183E96B4CB5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Anyone ever hear of the above title? [I suppose it's in the FAQ!] > I actually think it might be serious! Like some kind of teenager > indoctrination attempt against Rock Music. Anyway, it's supposed to > feature 'guests' Blue Oyster Cult... > > theo Yes, I remember seeing this a long time ago. I think the local library has a copy of this and now that you mention it, I am going to have to check it out. I remember a teenager interviewing the band backstage and it appeared to be around '79 or '80. Funny thing, it featured only the future 3OC members and Lanier did most of the talking. I remember the kid being somewhat overwhelmed by Lanier's take on the subject. From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 26 15:08:45 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:08:45 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in Publicity Shock! In-Reply-To: <199709241012.LAA06828@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Denizens of this list will be shocked to hear a report from a friend >concerning Hawkwind's appearance at the Liquid Rooms here next month. >"There are posters all over town" my compatriot told me. > >Next thing we know the album will be out on time and the stars will >start going out. > The tour poster I saw said something like new album out 8th September so no change there Anyone care to guess an actual release date ? From micci at SCI.FI Sat Sep 27 07:51:31 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:51:31 +0300 Subject: HW:love in space Message-ID: Hi! I?m little bit in confusion now. Is there two Love In Space ep normal and remix? or is this same. Is there vinyl copies also? I?m also looking those Alman Mulo Band cd?s, anyone know are those still available? Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// \/\/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Sep 27 09:57:03 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:57:03 +0000 Subject: HW:love in space In-Reply-To: <199709271151.OAA11012@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: At 02:51 PM 9/27/97 +0300, you wrote: >Hi! > >I?m little bit in confusion now. Is there two Love In Space ep normal and >remix? or is this same. Is there vinyl copies also? I think the only difference is that the sleeve was printed reversed or something (allegedly by "mistake"), one "normal", and there is a promo one w/out a sleeve or a generic sleeve? I don't think its out on vinyl...? Christian From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Sep 26 12:30:01 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:30:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Mooses (Meeses). In-Reply-To: <1800BBE7BA4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Courtesy of my 9 year old son.... Q. What has antlers & sucks your blood? A. A moosequito... I think I met some of those in Lakselv once... But that was in another life! Cheers, ChrisW ObNP: Juicy Lucy - Who Do You Love? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Sep 27 14:47:36 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:47:36 EST Subject: OFF: new Porcupine Tree out!? Message-ID: On the Porcupine Tree list two mildly startling statements were made. Statement #1: The new Porcupine Tree live release called "Coma Divine" is to be released in the UK on October 20. This is a single CD, recorded during the recent 3-day stint in Italy. You gotta get this! (well, not that startling) Statement #2: Cranium Records from New Zealand claims to have just received their batch of these CDs, and is currently offering IN STOCK copies of "Coma Divine" on CD. Contact: Cranium Music, http://www.cranium.co.nz The price is listed at US$18 each, plus US$4.50 postage to USA. I cannot personally vouch for Richard at Cranium Music, but they have a good "vibe". Anyways, seems like it'd be quite a coup to get the new PTree CD in my hands a couple of weeks before the UKers even see it... Sever Tomorrow Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com Ob: No-Man, "Wild Opera" From micci at SCI.FI Sat Sep 27 15:14:15 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:14:15 +0300 Subject: No subject Message-ID: David Jones wrote: >The tour poster I saw said something like new album out 8th September > Hi! What kind is that tour poster? Have someone any list what kind offical posters HW have? If that England tour goes so poorly, then HW must come Finland because we are probably only eu country where they never been or is there some other countries also? btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email us? Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just `cos you got the power Doesn?t mean you got the right /\/\ -Lemmy //\/\\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _____//____\\_____ \\ // \\/\// \/\/ From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sat Sep 27 16:49:18 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:49:18 -0400 Subject: 4th world... In-Reply-To: <199709271914.WAA09962@ds9.sci.fi> from "Miikka Wagner" at Sep 27, 97 10:14:15 pm Message-ID: > > btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email us? > > Miikka Wagner > http://www.sci.fi/~micci no. --dave From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sat Sep 27 21:24:26 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:24:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) In-Reply-To: <0008zvvbrvlh.H0000d9900d73422@igate.sprint.com> from "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." at Sep 24, 97 10:11:57 am Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > > What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look > into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking > of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, > truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about > 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or > laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will > also handle standard cd's--is that true? > > Thanks! All DVD players that I have seen can handle CDs. Not all of them can handle CD-R (recordable CD), or VideoCDs, but I'm almost sure they can all do CD. The question is whether they can do it "as well". There has been some talk in the hifi rags (not always the best source for unbiased information) about some DVD players being subject to excessive jitter when playing CDs. That's why I got the Sony DVP-S7000. It's got the same circuitry (especially D/A converters) as Sony's top of the line "ES" series CD player. I paid through the nose for it. In answer to what some other people were asking: DVD players run from about $500 to about $1000 (with some $5000 "extremist" models coming out soon). I can't honestly recommend the "cheapies". The problem is that the technology is new, and the D/A conversion sucks in a lot of the low-end units (i.e. there are obvious artefacts left over from the digital-to-analog conversion, like pixelization or picture breakup in complex scenes). Basically, I would stick with either Sony or Toshiba, whose players have evidenced the fewest problems. Sony is coming out with a budget version of their S7000, called the S3000, which has the same picture circuitry, but slightly less high-end CD circuitry. That might be a good choice if you already have a decent CD player. I only have a handful of films, because there isn't a very large body of released material yet. The Director's Cut of Blade Runner is very tasty. Road Warrior is well done, but the DVD is so high-resolution that you can clearly see what cheap, grainy film the original movie was shot on. Also, this movie can double as a comedy, by turning on the French language audio track, and the Spanish subtitles. ;-) More movies are coming out all the time, there should be a few hundred out by Christmas. Someone mentioned the Star Wars movies. They're rumored to be planned for a february 98 release. I refer other questions to alt.video.dvd, which is the best source of dvd info on the net. Steve swann at panix.com From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 27 21:49:19 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:49:19 PDT Subject: 4th world... Message-ID: >> btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email us? >> >> Miikka Wagner >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci > no. --dave > nope....i e-mailed the guy again,,,,no response... bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Sep 27 23:03:56 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:03:56 +1000 Subject: Rock concert violence Message-ID: At 01:20 AM 27/09/97 -0700, Michael Galvin wrote: >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > >> Anyone ever hear of the above title? [I suppose it's in the FAQ!] >> I actually think it might be serious! Like some kind of teenager >> indoctrination attempt against Rock Music. Anyway, it's supposed to >> feature 'guests' Blue Oyster Cult... >> >> theo > >Yes, I remember seeing this a long time ago. I think the local library has >a copy of this and now that you mention it, I am going to have to check it >out. I remember a teenager interviewing the band backstage and it >appeared to be around '79 or '80. Funny thing, it featured only the >future 3OC members and Lanier did most of the talking. I remember the kid >being somewhat overwhelmed by Lanier's take on the subject. > Yeah, I have a similar video regarding the hearing problems assoc, with rock music, in which Joe, Rick and Allen are interveiwed. Allen is pretty "full-on". He comes across as having strong opinions on the subject. We like to watch it just to see him just about lose it! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Sep 28 00:49:11 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:49:11 -0400 Subject: Allen Lanier's hearing Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-27 22:05:49 EDT, you write: << Yeah, I have a similar video regarding the hearing problems assoc, with rock music, in which Joe, Rick and Allen are interveiwed. Allen is pretty "full-on". He comes across as having strong opinions on the subject. We like to watch it just to see him just about lose it! >> I remember that show! I saw it on PBS in, like, '83 or '84...I seem to remember that they tested all the Cult members and Lanier was the only one who showed any signs of hearing loss...is this the show you're referring to? (I should ask Bolle if he's seen that, maybe he'd like a copy for the Cult Museum...:-). SET From des at SUPERLINK.NET Sun Sep 28 02:31:40 1997 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (Eric Falk) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:31:40 -0400 Subject: Allen Lanier's hearing In-Reply-To: <970928004909_1098084194@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "Steven Tice " at Sep 28, 97 00:49:11 am Message-ID: > > In a message dated 97-09-27 22:05:49 EDT, you write: > > << Yeah, I have a similar video regarding the hearing problems assoc, with > rock music, in which Joe, Rick and Allen are interveiwed. Allen is pretty > "full-on". He comes across as having strong opinions on the subject. > We like to watch it just to see him just about lose it! >> > > I remember that show! I saw it on PBS in, like, '83 or '84...I seem to > remember that they tested all the Cult members and Lanier was the only one > who showed any signs of hearing loss...is this the show you're referring to? > (I should ask Bolle if he's seen that, maybe he'd like a copy for the Cult > Museum...:-). > > SET Hi Steve, Actually if it's possible, could I get a copy of that show. I've heard about it but never seen it. Maybe we can work out some sort of trade? Regards, --Eric des at superlink.net From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 28 10:39:56 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:39:56 +0800 Subject: HW: Overseas tours Message-ID: Hi all >If that England tour goes so poorly, then HW must come Finland because we >are probably only eu country where they never been or is there some other >countries also? > They haven't been to Australia. Yet!! Incidentally It was round about now that they originally planned to come here. With what I've been reading about their UK tour, maybe they should have stuck to their original plan. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 28 10:44:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:44:52 +0800 Subject: OFF: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: >> What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look >> into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking >> of getting the latter. I've never looked a lot into either one, >> truthfully, and haven't seriously shopped for stereo equipment in about >> 10 years.... What are the advantages of DVD over a conventional CD or >> laser disk player? I've recall hearing/reading that DVD players will >> also handle standard cd's--is that true? >> I suppose it would be possible there will be a player that could handle all formats, since laser disk players and DVD can already play most CD's. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 28 10:54:09 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:54:09 +0800 Subject: OFF: Sci-Fi Cafe Message-ID: Hi all Thought some of you might be curious to know of this album. It is released by Hypnotic, and features various bands doing Sci-Fi themes, including Astralasia with Doctor Who, The Electric Sky Church and the Prophecy Theme from Dune, and Leatherstrip's version of The X Files. The best track on the album though would have to be the theme from Lost In Space, by none other than..... Pressurehead. I think it's worth tracking down. William From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Sep 28 12:40:43 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:40:43 +1000 Subject: Allen Lanier's hearing Message-ID: At 12:49 AM 28/09/97 -0400, Steven Tice wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-27 22:05:49 EDT, you write: > ><< Yeah, I have a similar video regarding the hearing problems assoc, with > rock music, in which Joe, Rick and Allen are interveiwed. Allen is pretty > "full-on". He comes across as having strong opinions on the subject. > We like to watch it just to see him just about lose it! >> > >I remember that show! I saw it on PBS in, like, '83 or '84...I seem to >remember that they tested all the Cult members and Lanier was the only one >who showed any signs of hearing loss...is this the show you're referring to? Yeah, That's it! They also compared and tested a country rock band as well, and found their drummer to be the most hearing impaired! > (I should ask Bolle if he's seen that, maybe he'd like a copy for the Cult >Museum...:-). > I got mine from him. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Sun Sep 28 13:49:42 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:49:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if anyone on here has aeither a list of Hawkwind lyrics, or else a webpage that I could go to to get some of them. I really love their music and singing, but without a lyric sheet, I have a hard time distinguishing the words. Thanks! Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings. Well it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your mind's eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. (Hurry on Sundown, by Hawkwind) From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Sun Sep 28 06:47:11 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:47:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: new Porcupine Tree out!? Message-ID: > Hi All esp Captain Cloud > Anyways, seems like it'd be quite a coup to get the new > PTree CD in my hands a couple of weeks before the UKers even see it... > > Yes speaking as a UKer who has this album, due to my photo of Barbieri which appears on it, you all need this album, it is even better than Signify. Superbly recorded with an excellent choice of tracks.Sever tomorrow Jill Douglas > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 28 19:12:03 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:12:03 +0100 Subject: HW:love in space In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:51:31 +0300 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > Hi! > > I?m little bit in confusion now. Is there two Love In Space ep normal and > remix? or is this same. Is there vinyl copies also? Love In Space is a remix - stripped of everything except Brock's voice and some snare drums and a bite of warbly synth. I'm not that impressed I have to admit! My cd sleeve is printed the wrong way round - or upside down or something - leastways the cd comes out the wrong side! There will be no vinyl issue, this has been cancelled. So anyone intelligent enough to pick up the original demo issue has a valuable item to hand now. > > I?m also looking those Alman Mulo Band cd?s, anyone know are those still > available? The Hawkwind catalogue from Compact Disc Services is offering Alman Mulo Band cd albums "Afrodisiac", "Orisha" "Diamonds & Toads" at a limited offer price of 10.50 UK pounds. Tel: 01382 776596 Fax: 01382 736702 This IMO is a first-rate well-run company that I have no problem with purchasing stuff from and giving them huge amounts of money in advance. They have always produced the goods as promptly as Hawkwind issues allow and offered credit notes where not available. I certainly am prepared to trust them! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 28 19:28:25 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:28:25 +0100 Subject: HW:Gloucs gig on Sunday In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:01:51 +0100 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > This is just to confirm that the HW gig on Sunday at Gloucester Leisure > Centre is cancelled. Tickets will be accepted at Swindon on the 10th Nov. > The reason it was cancelled was 'not enough tickets sold'. > > I guess that if the nearest venue to Gloucester is Swindon this means the > Bristol gig is off, which was meant to be the following Sunday. This is > backed up by it not being on the web page. Things are pretty diasppointing > for us Southern England fans, no Gloucester, Bristol, Oxford, Reading > gigs, well, there is the re-arranged Oxford one, and we still have > Guildford. > > Yours glumly, not going to see Hawkwind this weekend so why were you not at Whitby then? 8-) I haven't compared the following list with the official web page yet but here's an updated list as produced in the latest Trev Hughes newsletter: Treat with all due skeptical caution and check first! Wednesday 1st Oct Felixstowe, Spa Pavilion Thursday 2nd Tunbridge Wells, Assembly Hall Friday 3rd Poole, Arts Centre Monday 6th Hemel Hempstead, Pavilion Tuesday 7th Folkestone, Leas Cliff Pavilion Wednesday 8th Norwich, Univ Friday 10th Colchester, Charter Hall Saturday 11th Kings Lynn, Corn Exchange Monday 13th Hayes, Beck Theatre Friday 17th Edinburgh, Liquid Rooms Sunday 19th Glasgow, The Garage Monday 20th Morecombe, the Dome Tuesday 21st Manchester, the Ritz Wednesday 22nd Blackburn, King George's Hall Thursday 23rd Liverpool, Empire Friday 24th Southport, Theatre Saturday 25th Stoke on Trent. Trentham Gardens Monday 27th Leeds, the Irish Centre Tuesday 28th Wolverhampton, Civic Theatre Friday 31st London, Shepherds Bush Empire Saturday 1st Nov Guildford, Civic Theatre Sunday 2nd Sheffield, City Hall Monday 3rd Rhyl, New Pavillion Theatre Thursday 6th Newport, Centre Saturday 8th Oxford, Zodiac Sunday 9th Swansea, Penyrheol Leisure Centre Monday 10th Swindon, Wyvern Theatre jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Sep 29 00:17:45 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:17:45 -0400 Subject: Allen Lanier's hearing Message-ID: In a message dated 97-09-28 11:42:50 EDT, you write: << > (I should ask Bolle if he's seen that, maybe he'd like a copy for the Cult >Museum...:-). > I got mine from him. Troy >> Okay, now, I suppose I should have guessed that...:-) Makes me all the prouder to keep finding oddball BOC items that Bolle DOESN'T have! :-) SET From kg at THING.DE Mon Sep 29 01:07:48 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:07:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind lyrics Message-ID: hi, you can find the Hawkwind lyrics written by Robert Calvert @ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/callyr.htm - some of the poems Calvert performed with HW @ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calwords.htm - and do have a look at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calvart.htm = a list of illustrated Calvert / HW lyrics (Quark, Uncle Sam - and others) enjoy.... knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Sep 29 04:14:04 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:14:04 -0600 Subject: OFF: new Porcupine Tree out!? Message-ID: Jill Douglas wrote: > > Hi All esp Captain Cloud > > > Anyways, seems like it'd be quite a coup to get the new > > PTree CD in my hands a couple of weeks before the UKers even see it... > > > > > > Yes speaking as a UKer who has this album, due to my photo of Barbieri > which appears on it, you all need this album, it is even better than > Signify. Superbly recorded with an excellent choice of tracks.Sever > tomorrow > Jill Douglas Gee, I feel like I'm really behind! I haven't even HEARD signify:( I've Just heard Up the Downstairs & the sunday of life! Great stuff therePam. > OBCD: isildurs Bane : Sagen Om Ringen. I need the lyrics to this thing. > now. > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hi According to the weekly gig guide in the Oxford Mail (Saturday), Hakwwind are playing at the Zodica tonight! And according to them you can send lists up to 8 days in advance! Obviously the Zodica don't update the lists they send out? Or have Hawkwind switched dates again! OR! is it a sneaky way of publicing the band since people will phone up to go and find it's later and hopefuly buy a ticket! Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Sep 29 06:53:24 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:53:24 +0100 Subject: Whitby gig Message-ID: Can nay one tell me if the set lsit for the whitby gig changed much tot he USA ones? And if poss. set list. Thanks Timmy Langner From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 29 07:51:56 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:51:56 -0500 Subject: Off: Private Trade Message-ID: A thousand pardons but someone sent me a private e-mail regarding Tick tapes, live King's X and Hawkwind. Can you please e-mail me again? My mail went "t*** - Up" last week and I lost the message before I could respond. Thanks lil ab Obcd - Imaginos From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 29 07:57:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:57:10 -0400 Subject: Rock concert violence Message-ID: > From: Michael Galvin > On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > > Anyone ever hear of the above title? [I suppose it's in the FAQ!] > > I actually think it might be serious! Like some kind of teenager > > indoctrination attempt against Rock Music. Anyway, it's supposed to > > feature 'guests' Blue Oyster Cult... > > > > theo > > Yes, I remember seeing this a long time ago. I think the local library has > a copy of this and now that you mention it, I am going to have to check it > out. I remember a teenager interviewing the band backstage and it > appeared to be around '79 or '80. Funny thing, it featured only the > future 3OC members and Lanier did most of the talking. I remember the kid > being somewhat overwhelmed by Lanier's take on the subject. I'm not sure if this is the same one. I haven't seen it myself. It has a date of 1985, but it could have been recorded earlier and released in '85. theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Sep 29 08:56:42 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:56:42 +0100 Subject: HW:Gloucs gig on Sunday In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:28:25 BST." <199709282328.AAA11879@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I haven't compared the following list with the official web page yet but > here's an updated list as produced in the latest Trev Hughes newsletter: > Treat with all due skeptical caution and check first! > > Wednesday 1st Oct Felixstowe, Spa Pavilion > Thursday 2nd Tunbridge Wells, Assembly Hall > Friday 3rd Poole, Arts Centre > Monday 6th Hemel Hempstead, Pavilion > Tuesday 7th Folkestone, Leas Cliff Pavilion > Wednesday 8th Norwich, Univ > Friday 10th Colchester, Charter Hall Only Hawkwind would go from Felixstowe to Norwich via Poole. I guess they must like travel... Tim ObCD: Roky Erickson, _Casting the Runes_ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 29 13:39:17 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:39:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: Hi all, Well, I managed to catch Voivod playing here in Oslo last night, and it was the most enjoyable show I have been to in a while. Plenty of these Nordic black metal lads, seriously banging away and keeping the art of chiropractics alive...(and the most hilarious opening act I ever saw... Satan would crack up (as I did) upon hearing snarled titles from the sincerely bare chested, pale young man screaming such titles as "Wretched Face of Evil" or "Deep Tracks Of Hell", and putting on his best grimace!!!) Anyway, VOIVOD finally came on, maybe off to a little uninteresting start, but things really peaked when they played "Astronomy Dominy" and "Tribal Convictions" - Michael Langevin is an awesome drummer!! :-) I spoke to him a bit afterwards, and since I was wearing a HW shirt he gave me a good deal for both their new CD and T-shirt!!! (see? Hawkwind have yet to buy me a free lunch tho (or Doug Smith buying them one? :-) He spoke a bit about his musical influences, of which Van Der Graaf Generator and Magma were his biggest... his cheeky parting comment was even "I am the Christian Vander of metal!". Also the new songs are great, I didn't care for their last album "Negatron" too much, but "Phobos" is very cool indeed. There's also a great cover of King Crimson's "21st Century Schitzoid Man" at the end... Anyway, the reason I am posting about Voivod here is that they definetly play a skewed, unique sounding, SF oriented brand of psychedelic, spacey, industrial/prog thrash/metal, and they appeal to the part of my brain that my HW receptors are connected to... "Phobos" is a great spacey album with less industrial tinge than the last, with a sound closer to albums like "Dimension Hatross" or "Nothingface" (but not as 'prog' as "Outer Limits" or "Angel Rat"). I mentioned to Langevin that Voivod should play at the next Strange Daze - he seemed a little baffled that there even exists a "space rock" scene... in a weird way I think they fit in there. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 29 13:41:54 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:41:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland In-Reply-To: <199709282328.AAA11879@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: This "compilation" CD of "krautrock" is fake isn't it? I mean, with songs by Orridge and Zeus B. Held... fun stuff still. Does anyone know fer sher if if it's a hoax? Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 29 13:51:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:51:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: On Monday, September 29, 1997 6:42 PM, C Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > This "compilation" CD of "krautrock" is fake isn't it? I mean, > with songs by Orridge and Zeus B. Held... fun stuff still. Does > anyone know fer sher if if it's a hoax? > > Christian Huh? I got the first one, and I've seen the other 2 in the shop - I didn't notice those guys on the track list? Which one have you got? Are you sure you haven't got it mixed up with something else? :) - Andy ObCD: Francoiz Breut - _Francoiz Breut_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 29 14:05:01 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:05:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:53:24 +0100 Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > Can nay one tell me if the set lsit for the whitby gig changed much tot he USA > ones? And if poss. set list. > > Thanks > > Timmy Langner Set list for Whitby is the same (so far as I can tell) as the US except that they played only Reptoid Vision as the encore. So where was everybody? Wimps! Just because Whitby is the most impossible place in the country to reach and even more difficult to get out of on a Sunday is no excuse for not turning up to see Hawkwind playing on a windy cliff top in North Yorkshire beneath a steel grey cloud covered sky. But it was a good gig - their first, since Redcar was cancelled as well, and the venue was impressive. A loooonnnggg white marquee tent with open sides meant that everyone was protected from the weather and, unlike Langtree, you didn't have to dodge cowpats to find a place to sit down. Good beer too - John Smiths. Yum. Sound system wasn't that good, sadly - at least none of the vocals came across at all and it might have helped (IMO) if they'd done a sound check before setting up on stage. But then again.... There was no light show except for a very intense strobe which was used to excellent effect during Sonic Attack and Brainstorm. I suspect that since this show was a one-off in effect (everything else round about having been cancelled) they may not have brought much equipment with them and simply used lights and speakers supplied by the Festival organisers. I can't be sure about this tho' so could be wrong here. It was not, I'd say, one of their outstanding performances - the best tracks were Aerospaceage Inferno (by heck that's got some speed and power guitar work in it!) and Brainstorm - an excellent version which was spoiled by a rather too abrupt break in tempo as the reggae filler bit started but it built up excellently to the conclusion. It's also surprising how little they play from the Alien album - Blue Skin is the only track I think and unfortunately the stage was a bit too deep to allow the interplay between Kris Tait's fire eating bit and Ron Tree's dramatics to really be seen fully by the audience. Anyhow, the audience enjoyed it and although the 3 young kids in front of me were probably expecting a rather more rave oriented set - which is what their last venture into live Hawkwind would have been - they were enthralled enough throughout. I should admit however that although Hawkwind played as the headline and last band there is no question that they were totally and comprehensively eclipsed in their presentation by The Crazy World of Arthur Brown who was on stage just before them (believe it or not Lena Lovitch attired in a wedding dress preceded him!). In all honesty Hawkwind would have needed their finest playing and a full light show to come anywhere near the performance that he produced. What an amazing showman he is. From the moment when he appeared dressed in a black and gold shining robe carried onto the stage by his band of 'acolytes' dressed in monks' robes to the sound of a single drum beat and launched into 'Time Captains' up until the astonishing performance of "Fire" with flames leaping out of his headdress he utterly mesmerised everyone. Nik Turner may be a stage performer but Arthur Brown has Class and the most powerful presence I have ever seen on a stage. I don't think I shall ever see its like again - he was everything from Jehovah's Witness being vamped by a lady in, well..... not a lot! up to Arab wearing a costume that metamorphosed into a Pharoah-style robe and then opened out into a huge sun image finally becoming the Sun God. He was utterly brilliant. He even had the audience (and we are talking serious Goth - punk rock here!) doing gospel chants! It was quite breathtaking. I reckon Hawkwind did well even to come anywhere close to that! What an amazing night.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kg at THING.DE Mon Sep 29 15:03:58 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:03:58 +0200 Subject: new CD by Adrian Shaw - Bevis Frond tour(s) Message-ID: hello all, I received the brandnew CD by former HW bassman Adrian Shaw a few days ago - entitled: DISPLACED PERSON - released, as usual on Woronzow records - selling for 10 quid, P & P 1 pound UK, 2 pounds Europe, 3 pounds elsewhere, - if you really want to know the details. (Cheques made payable to A Shaw, not Woronzow! - important, I guess...) well more important: its a great album! - even better than Ade's last release "Tea for the Hydra" a bit heavier - a bit stranger - poetic - psychedelic......a great mixture. - including the (usual) guestings of Nick-Bevis-Frond-Saloman / Bari Watts and Aaron Shaw... so - Mr. Shaw's musical universe should satisfy anyone who's cruising somewhere between psychedelia and space rock....arthur lee, bevis frond, hawkwind - and ade shaw, of course. - and a bit of news for the Bevis Frond fans: Nick Soloman and Ade Shaw are playing a short East coast tour in December, followed by a band Euro-Tour in Feb/March, then a coast to coast tour of the States in March. that's it.....bye, knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Sep 29 18:24:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:24:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland In-Reply-To: <01BCCD09.BC996320.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: >Huh? I got the first one, and I've seen the other 2 in the shop - I didn't >notice those guys on the track list? Which one have you got? Are you sure >you haven't got it mixed up with something else? :) > >- Andy Look at the CREDITS inside, man! Those band names are just a conspiracy and a cover up... bogus bogus bogus! All these budding intellectuals with that comp and a Stereolab CD on their shelf will be emotionally crushed! Psychedelic Detective, Where Are You? (*) Christian (*) = "Psychedelic Detective, Where Are You?" is (c) and TM of Christian Mumford, not to be used without (his highly esteemed) permission. Persons appearing here may or may not be living or dead, their likenesses are either way unintentionally so as to not be considered as such in the first place. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Sep 29 17:52:16 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:52:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: <199709291805.TAA18948@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jill wrote: >Good beer too - John Smiths. Yum. What? You didn't really say that? Did you? You didn't actually put "John Smith's" & "good" in the same sentence? I'm going to go and get the kitchen fire-extinguisher in case I spontaneously combust! ChrisW ObBeer: Caledonian - Tempus Fugit (for this week) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Sep 29 18:49:11 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:49:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: > >This "compilation" CD of "krautrock" is fake isn't it? I mean, >with songs by Orridge and Zeus B. Held... fun stuff still. Does >anyone know fer sher if if it's a hoax? Well...:) Good stuff, tho. The Golem material is particularly good. btw, Zeus B. Held was a legit figure in the late stages of the Krautrock era. His influence pretty much demolished Birth Control. Wylie Bananamoon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 29 19:53:32 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:53:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: > > Look at the CREDITS inside, man! Those band names are just a conspiracy > and a cover up... bogus bogus bogus! All these budding intellectuals > with that comp and a Stereolab CD on their shelf will be emotionally > crushed! Psychedelic Detective, Where Are You? (*) Geez - they're totally impossible to read - but, HMMMM! So what is the story with this stuff? Who is Zeus B Held anyway? Besides producing Transvision Vamp (not something to brag about IMO)? And what's this "All tracks published by Dirty Old Tugboat Music"??? Have to say they fooled me - if indeed it is a hoax - but Volume 1 is a lot of fun whatever! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 29 20:11:02 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:11:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: beer (was HW: Whitby gig) In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:52:16 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Jill wrote: > > >Good beer too - John Smiths. Yum. > > What? > > You didn't really say that? > > Did you? > > You didn't actually put "John Smith's" & "good" in the same sentence? > > I'm going to go and get the kitchen fire-extinguisher in case I > spontaneously combust! > > ChrisW sorry 'bout that! Yep - stand by that too tho' I guess you'd probably not have enjoyed it since it must have been fairly mild (must have been since I drank 4 of those big plastic glasses and I'm usually well out of it after 4 halves!) it didn't have an overpowering aftertaste and didn't make me wish I'd had a Heineken instead. It suited me fine although thinking back on how little I remember about some parts of the show I do wonder if it was a tad stronger than I realised. Mebbe 'cos it was brewed in Yorkshire and had come straight from the brewery and hadn't been sitting around for decades in the heat somewhere. Can't explain it - so I can only assume that it was all part of the whole experience that was happening up there that evening! obHawkwind content> Forgot to say that Capt Rizz was there and did vocals on a couple of tracks but since the sound was bad it's difficult to say how effective they were. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 30 04:50:37 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:50:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Unknown Deutschland In-Reply-To: <01BCCD3B.618C9920.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCCD3B.618C9920.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >> >> Look at the CREDITS inside, man! Those band names are just a conspiracy >> and a cover up... bogus bogus bogus! All these budding intellectuals >> with that comp and a Stereolab CD on their shelf will be emotionally >> crushed! Psychedelic Detective, Where Are You? (*) > >Geez - they're totally impossible to read - but, HMMMM! So what is the story >with this stuff? Who is Zeus B Held anyway? Besides producing Transvision >Vamp (not something to brag about IMO)? And what's this "All tracks >published by Dirty Old Tugboat Music"??? > >Have to say they fooled me - if indeed it is a hoax - but Volume 1 is a lot >of fun whatever! The Pyramid label that this stuff was produced for is real enough. I'd be surprised if it's a hoax. I've just got the first one. Are 2 & 3 any good? -- Jon Browne ObCD - The Verve "Urban Hymns" (OK, so it's not as spacy as the first or second albums, but it's gonna chart, and we'll get spacerock in by the backdoor!) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 30 07:13:13 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:13:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:05:01 +0100 Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > What an amazing showman he is. From the moment when he appeared > dressed in a black and gold shining robe carried onto the stage by > his band of 'acolytes' dressed in monks' robes to the sound of a single > drum beat and launched into 'Time Captains' up until the astonishing > performance of "Fire" with flames leaping out of his headdress he > utterly mesmerised everyone. Nik Turner may be a stage performer but > Arthur Brown has Class and the most powerful presence I have ever seen > on a stage. I don't think I shall ever see its like again - he was > everything from Jehovah's Witness being vamped by a lady in, well..... > not a lot! up to Arab wearing a costume that metamorphosed into a > Pharoah-style robe and then opened out into a huge sun image finally > becoming the Sun God. He was utterly brilliant. He even had the > audience (and we are talking serious Goth - punk rock here!) doing > gospel chants! It was quite breathtaking. So like is he playing anywhere else? The only time I've seen the guy was on the comeback tour a few years ago. It was in a pub with around fifty people there and it was the best live performance I've ever seen anyone do. That this guy was out of the rock business for years really is a crying shame. FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 30 08:32:25 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:32:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Pharoah-style robe and then opened out into a huge sun image finally > > becoming the Sun God. He was utterly brilliant. He even had the > > audience (and we are talking serious Goth - punk rock here!) doing > > gospel chants! It was quite breathtaking. > > So like is he playing anywhere else? > sorry - no idea. Apparently he was born in Whitby which is why he was taking part in the Festival but it's such an elaborate and well thought out show I can't believe he's not performing anywhere else. Maybe Hawkwind could persuade him to come to Shepherd's Bush at Halloween? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Tue Sep 30 10:02:02 1997 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John Cartledge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:02:02 +0100 Subject: HW:Dracfest Message-ID: Hi, Just back in the land of the living after the Dracfest weekend, and thought i'd come out of terminal lurk mode and report on what happened. The festival itself was not exactly packed. Maybe it had something to do with the location, time of year, lineup, whatever. There were probably about 2 to 2.5 thousand people there on average and there was a good relaxed vibe about the place. Hopefully, it might happen again next year (hopefully a month earlier, because it was f***ing freezing!!). Saturday was definitely the busiest, with quite a few hawkfans arriving just for the day. As for Hawkwind. For me, it was not one of their better performances. This was the first time i'd managed to see them for 3 years and I guess i'd worked myself up into such an anticipatory frenzy that the reality was somewhat lacking. As Jill mentioned, the sound quality was poor. Where I was standing, Dave's guitar and vocals were barely audible. Dave hid behind his keyboards again for the entire show. He definitely needs to come out on stage.Maybe it's time to get in a new keyboard player which would gallow him to do this. On top of this, 3 other things didn't really work for me : 1. Captain Rizz. For me, his presence didn't really work and detracted from the flow of the gig. 2. The setlist was fairly uninspiring. One new track, and a couple of rambling pieces with Captain Rizz doing his bit ("Hawklords in the area, Hawklords on the land" ad infinitum). Considering they've got a new album out shortly, there was a worrying lack of new stuff (apart from Reptoid Vision). Also, given the fact that the bands back catalogue is not exactly small, there must be loads of stuff that they could/should be doing. Surely Brainstorm and Hassan I Sahba have been done to death by now? Definite highlights were a stonking version of Aerospaceage Inferno and a manic Sonic Attack!! 3. The lack of spaciness (for want of a better phrase). Musically, the set was very stripped down (unless the keyboards drowned in the mix), and most songs were fired off at too fast a rate. Ron's bass playing is competent, but that's about it. Alan Davey he ain't. The new heavier sound is fine however, and hopefully they will get into their stride as the tour progresses. Having said that, 2 of my mates (who gave up on them after cotbs) thought that they were brilliant (as did a lot of others). I also overheard a bloke comparing them to Nine Inch Nails!! Maybe it's just me. Obviously, the above is just my take on the gig. Don't get me wrong, It was good to see them, and I will be catching a couple more dates on the tour. As for Arthur Brown. What a surprise. It was probably one of the most entertaining gigs I have ever seen. Catch him if u can. Back to lurk mode ;-). Cheers John (Still waiting For his ICU album from 4th world) Obgossip: I bumped into Ron & Richard on the campsite on Sunday morning. Ron said that there had been a lot of hassle with the tour and that things were a bit messy. He also said that the band have had enough of Doug Smith, and are going to get shot of him. Maybe this is part of the new beginning for the band. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email : John.Cartledge at sunderland.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 30 11:35:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:35:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: <199709291805.TAA18948@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199709291805.TAA18948 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >I reckon Hawkwind did well even to come anywhere close to that! You mean *they didn't*? I mean, in the nicest possible way, you are a little biased towards the Hawks. It sounds like they were blown offstage by the guy! I think they'd be a bit ginger about booking him for Shepherd's Bush! Having said that, they don't book their own supports, or do they? -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 30 12:27:50 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:27:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig Message-ID: > Having said that, they don't book their own supports, or do they? Well, DS was trying to get Amon Duul II to support this tour, but Chris Karrer took a look at the schedule and politely declined :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 30 14:32:41 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:32:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Dracfest '97 Guardian Review Message-ID: Found this in the Guardian today - looks as if the writer (Dave Simpson) only made it in time for Sunday's entertainment...... "It was billed as 'a celebration of 100 years of Bram Stoker's Dracula', and while 'celebration' - implying light, not darkness - was an inappropriate description, Dracfest's organisers had unearthed an array of the undead. The line-up included the walking corpses of Hawkwind and The Damned, along with the rarely sighted 'God of hell fire' Arthur Brown. Sited in a marquee in the shadow of the notorious Whitby Abbey, as featured in the Stoker novel the plan is for Dracfest to become an annual 'mystical' pop/cultural festival along the lines of Glastonbury. The two locations certainly have one thing in common. With no inward rail connection {{NB: this is not true! or at least only true on Sundays in winter - js}} Whitby is nigh-on impossible to reach by normal means. Shortly before dusk, with an eerie mist descending, our stagecoach (oh, all right, Vauxhall taxi) sped off, leaving us surrounded by all manner of boys and ghouls. A thousand vampire worshippers huddled around in black clothes with green hair. Faces were freshly painted white (2.00 pounds from a nearby stall). Suddenly, out of the darkness came the Creature. The Creature was dressed in black and his teeth appeared to be made out of chipped paint. 'Welcome to my nightmare!' screamed the Thing, who it soon became apparent was Malice Cooper, a somehow more fearsome 'tribute' to Alice. For over an hour he frothed and raved in a voice that was - rather comically - more like Iggy Pop, then climbed on to an onstage gallows and died another death. We sought the spirit of Dracula and eventually found a young man who was plainly out of his skull...he carried it on a stick. Skulking around the stalls, however, we were impressed by details. Toilets contained no mirrors, and amongst a myriad of eateries there was pointedly no stake house. However, our biggest dose of horror was the sight of an irate Welsh lady demanding to know why Marc Almond had pulled out. 'A missed flight,' was the official explanation. From Transylvania, presumably. Toward the witching hour The Stranglers came to, er, bat with some aplomb. Although Hugh Cornwall's singing replacement Paul Roberts can be disturbingly cabaret, their instrumental passages - with Jen Jacques Burnel in finely malevolent form - are still a wicked delight. As Burnel's bass rumbled and hits came and went, eventually so did we, leaving early to attend to a frightening array of bite marks on our arms and necks. 'Insects' a local explained. A likely story" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Tue Sep 30 15:42:25 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:42:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Thanks (lyrics) Message-ID: I just wanted to thank all of you, especially M Holmes for the websites and the LONG list of lyrics. They've proved usefull already, and will remain useful with the more Hawkwind CD's I buy. Thanks again! Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings. Well it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your mind's eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. (Hurry on Sundown, by Hawkwind) From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Sep 30 15:49:42 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:49:42 -0400 Subject: New Born to Go website online! Strange Daze 97 pics and soundfiles! Message-ID: Hi, I just put up all the Born to go at Strange Daze 97 stuff on our new (under construction) website, if you would like a peek just go It features pictures (taken by ARBY of AP, thanks ARBY) and soundfiles of our entire set, in the order we played it (thanks to a tape by Bob Lennon, thanks Bob). I haven't had the time I would like to work on the graphics but I figured there would be some curious people here who would want to check it out anyway. Right now we have long download times from the new web-site, while they are putting their new web connection together, and these are *full tracks* so have patience! In Space we Trust, Marc. -- "Marc Power of Born to Go...who just might be the English Gene Simmons" - Steve Lindsey at Strange Daze 97 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Sep 30 18:10:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:10:53 +0100 Subject: BOC-L collision with Gibraltar in metamorphing mailbox mystery! Message-ID: This is really weird. Gibraltar #28 tubled into my mailbox with FoFP's BOC-L reply to J Strobridge's HW: Whitby post - tagged on at the end, with full headers...!! Anyone have a rational explanation for how this could happen???? Could the posts, in a single split fraction of time, have crashed into one another, while entering the digital wormhole to the MotherServer, become bombarded with cosmic rays and anti-matter energy, and fused into one living cosmic email entity? Psychedelic Detective, where are you? Christian From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Sep 30 18:41:19 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:41:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: Manuel - send me e-mail In-Reply-To: <199709251358.JAA29396@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John; My apologies for not replying any sooner, but I use Jean's computer at her office, so I don't have access to msgs on a daily basis. Anyways, yes, give me a day or two and I'll bring the cd with me and e-mail all you need to know. How is everything else on your end?? Hope to hear all is well.... God bless...Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Tue Sep 30 22:59:53 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:59:53 -0400 Subject: StrangeDaze 1997 Message-ID: Better late than never I publish a music review newsletter/magazine every two month's, and this issue features Hawkwind's Strange Daze appearance. Also included is a review of their Coney Island High gig and of the "Love In Space" single. I feel the printed word is neglected these days so I have chosen not to post the review here. If this is of interest, emaill your address to me privately. I will cover the shipping costs for as long as financially possible! I remain, Adam From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 30 22:58:21 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:58:21 -0400 Subject: Mellotron Archive in financial trouble... Message-ID: Sorry for the spamming post, but this is important! I was perusing the latest copy of KEYBOARD magazine at the local supermarket this evening, when my eyes beheld a BEAUTIFUL sight! Vintage keyboards of every shape and size, Moogs, ARP's, Buchla's, Mellotrons (even a clear one!), Chamberlains, keyboard-controlled Theremins, you name it, it was there! An analog synth freak's (that's me!!!) wet dream! But then the title of the article hit me, the Mellotron Archive is in financial difficulty. It seems that the two gents that put together this fine collection cannot afford to pay the monthly rent on the space needed for all of these fine old pieces and is looking for a sponsor to help keep the collection together (they don't want to sell the collection board by board, but do make a few bucks here and there renting out the keys). Me, well, maybe I can afford to buy a T-shirt or something from them to help 'em out, but it is tough enough making the monthly note on the house. Maybe some of you out there might be able to help in some way (Sure would be nice if one of the modern synth manufacturers could sponsor this endeavor, any of you guys work for one/know a rep?). You can find out more from their Web site which is: www.mellotron.com I haven't checked out this site yet, but as soon as I finish with this letter... Note, I am doing this because I think what they have put together should stay together and not for any other reason. Hell, if I hit the Lottery this weekend, I'll send 'em a few grand, but thats' the only way I can help these guys. Pass this info around if you think you know of a newsgroup or mailing list that might be of help or interest. Thanks for letting me bend your eyes. Craig craigs at pyramid.com From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Sep 22 11:13:08 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:13:08 +1000 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: On 19 Dec 97 at about 13:37, herbert scribed: > Sorry, but I've been having some problems with my e-mail; some people are receiving my messages as nonsense and it's a big fucking pain in the ass, you know how it is. I just want to see if I get my > > Meanwhile, I haven't heard back from Paul Ward or John Majka, is it because my messages to you guys were garbled, too? > > Or was it just apathy? Chuck, Nothing's arrived from you lately in my mail box .... better send it again! Paul -- Australian Hawkwind Tour - Coming in '98!!!! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Sep 30 08:07:07 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:07:07 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind covers all? Message-ID: On 29 Dec 97 at about 19:13, Keith scribed: > FYI...I just saw in the latest catalogue from Delerium that ST37 has a new > disc out containing a cover of Orgone Accumulator (if my memory serves me > correctly). Did you have that one on your list?? > > Funny that this song seems to be so often redone. After all, I don't think > it was ever done in the studio, and it's no more than just a simple riff and > two short stanzas of mindless vocals from Calvert. Cough! splutter!?!? gag! "Just a simple riff" .... blasphemy!!!! > The rest is just > jamming. Of course, I quite like the song personally (at least on SR), but > what's there to cover?? Who cares - it makes me "feel greater"! Sonique