From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 1 05:16:24 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:16:24 +0100 Subject: HW:Dracfest In-Reply-To: <199709301402.PAA11161@osiris.cis.sund.ac.uk.?> Message-ID: In article <199709301402.PAA11161 at osiris.cis.sund.ac.uk.?>, John Cartledge writes Good review, John, cheers! I wouldn't worry too much about DS, though, it'd take 10 years to get out of any contracts and 2 years later they'd only re-sign! ;-P -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 1 05:09:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:09:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: <01BCCDC6.47197280.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCCDC6.47197280.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Well, DS was trying to get Amon Duul II to support this tour, but Chris >Karrer took a look at the schedule and politely declined :) > woah! wouldn't that have been something?! -- Jon Browne From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Wed Oct 1 10:16:35 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:16:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: Well, this post got me all worked up, and after a little digging found that Voivod DO have a new album, but it hasn't been released in the U.S. (The official Voivod homepage apparently hasn't been updated in at least a year, BTW.) As I'm unwilling to fork over the $30 for the import, I guess I'll just have to wait. The reviews I read make it look promising though - I was somewhat disappointed with "Negatron" and the departure of Snake. I first got into Voivod with the spacey sound of "Angel Rat" and "Outer Limits" so hopefully "Phobos" won't be so back-to-the-old-school-thrash sounding. YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 1 11:59:15 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:59:15 +0100 Subject: HW: All or nothing! Message-ID: Aaaargh! I've just discovered that Ivor Cutler is going to be doing a show in Edinburgh the Sunday of the weekend that Hawkwind are in London. This is Not Fair!! Sorry Brock - but for the sake of Ivor Cutler I'm going to have to sacrifice Guildford - there is not way I can NOT see this guy doing a live show! sigh.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Oct 1 14:21:29 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:21:29 +0100 Subject: Worthing gig Message-ID: Hi Can anyone tell me how the worthing gig went? My borther went to it and hopfuly should have taped it for me so if any one is interested in a copy let me know. The quility of it, if it came out should be about rating 3 out of 5 so not ditial quility but all I could do. Also does any one have any photos or know where I can get, hard copy photos, of the worhting gig (if possi with the songs or areas of gig taken). This would be a great addition to my tape. Thanks! I almost missed 2 concert due to geograpy field trips but only have to go on 1 and have had some of my lession re timatabled so I can see hawkwind at swindon instead! Does any one know if a ticket saying Hawkwind palying at the zodica on sept. 29th is worth anything since they changed the date and obivosuly issued new tickets. It's numbered 3. Thanks Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Oct 1 14:23:52 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:23:52 +0100 Subject: HW: sorry, re: TAPES Message-ID: Sorry just for got to add to my last e-mail (on worthing gig) did anyone else tape it? If so I'd be interested because you probably stoped the tpae in a different place and I'd like to be able to get the parts I missed when the tapes were changed etc. Thanks Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Oct 1 14:34:38 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:34:38 +0100 Subject: HE: Worhting gig tapes Message-ID: Sorry Jsut to add I spoke to my borther and he got bord with the gig at worhting so left after 45mins. Now last time he saw ahwkwind was in 92 at Brighton event and okay his musical tastes have changed but he enjoyed that gig so are Hawkwind playing well on his tour? Also that means my live tpae of it is orughly 45mins SO IF anyone TAPED IT, please let me know as I'm interested in having the full tape of this gig. Thanks Oh and sorry for sending so many e-mails in one go. Timmy Langner From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Oct 1 15:55:16 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:55:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: My fiancee and I will have a short lay-over in London on the way to our honeymoon, and we would like to get some specific information. Our flight gets into Heathrow Airport at 10:00 AM on a Saturday (18 October) and doesn't leave until 4:35 PM that same day. We are hoping to take public transportation (the tube?) into London, walk around for a while to see some sights and try to wake up, and then take public transportation back to the airport. We won't have our luggage with, so that will make things easier. First, we plan to take the Piccadily Line Underground into the city, which is supposed to take 30 to 40 minutes. Does anyone have any better suggestions? Second, can someone please suggest a good destination in London given that we will have a total of only two or three hours there? We have both been to London before (but it has been a while). We were thinking of going to an area like Piccadily to have lunch and walk around. Does that sound reasonable? Thanks in advance for the help. Frank ObCountdownToTheWedding: 9 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Q: ...any suggestions as to what prevented this from being a murder trial instead of an attempted murder trial? A: The victim lived. -- Disorder in the Court: a Collection of 'Transquips' by Richard Lederer From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Oct 1 19:08:31 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:08:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Voivod In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:16 01/10/97 -0400, Crawford Smith wrote: >- I was somewhat disappointed with "Negatron" and the departure of Snake. >I first got into Voivod with the spacey sound of "Angel Rat" and "Outer >Limits" so hopefully "Phobos" won't be so back-to-the-old-school-thrash >sounding. Imagine a cross between "Dimension Hatross" (angular, oddly unconventional song structures, very weird guitar sounds and 'tribal' drumming), and some of "Negatron"'s industrial-thrash sound. Piggy's guitar is much more like the older stuff (BTW he played with a plastic raygun for the encore!!). There's lots of "massive spacecraft" drone, bleeps & whoooshes, radio static, robot voices, knob twiddly ambient parts... and less aggressive. Not as melodic as AR or OL though, but much spacier than Negatron - some parts are freakishly gothic (Pink Floyd's "Saucerful Of Secrets" and maybe Skinny Puppy spring to mind). Also, Snake's vocals are not as "missed" here as on the last album. Included is a great booklet full of Away/Langevin's nightmarish pen and ink artwork. Definete all round return to form IMHO, and highly recommended!!! The tracks are: Catalepsy I Rise Mercury Phobos Bacteria Temps Mort The Tower Quantum Neutrino Forlorn Catalepsy II *bonus tracks* M-Body 21st Century Schitzoid Man -- Christian obOtherCD: Reservoir - Zero Hour From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Oct 1 21:29:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:29:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > Second, can someone please suggest a good destination in London given > that we will have a total of only two or three hours there? We have > both been to London before (but it has been a while). We were > thinking of going to an area like Piccadily to have lunch and walk > around. Does that sound reasonable? stay at the airport. that is not enough time to see anything worth seeing, and when my wife and i were there we cut it about as close, and when we were arriving, they were putting the rope across the gate. we were amazed that they let us on the plane. if you must go, give yerself at least a half hour more than you think you will need, and be sure to know EXACTLY where you need to be, and how to get there. if u ask me, you are trying to do too much, in too little time. also, bear in mind, the tubes can be closed at any point at any time. bombings and bomb scares. we had one when we were there, and couldnt even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that said he must. good luck, whatever you decide. rj BTW, where is the honeymoon? From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 1 21:41:53 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:41:53 PDT Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: >Piggy's guitar is much more like the older stuff (BTW he played with a plastic >raygun for the encore!!). There's lots of "massive spacecraft" drone, bleeps & >whoooshes, radio static, robot voices, knob twiddly ambient parts... and less >aggressive. Not as melodic as AR or OL though, but much spacier than >Negatron - >some parts are freakishly gothic (Pink Floyd's "Saucerful Of Secrets" and It sounds like I will definitely have to get this one. I have all the other Voivod albums on CD, and Negatron is my least favorite. >on the last album. Included is a great booklet full of Away/Langevin's >nightmarish pen and ink artwork. Definete all round return to form IMHO, and >highly recommended!!! Away is such a talented artist!!! Not the same vibe Hawkwind had with Barney Bubbles, but I can't think of a single band that uses art with music the way Voivod does. (Hauntingly original, too!) > >The tracks are: > >Catalepsy I >Rise >Mercury >Phobos >Bacteria >Temps Mort >The Tower >Quantum >Neutrino >Forlorn >Catalepsy II > >*bonus tracks* > >M-Body >21st Century Schitzoid Man > Say, wasn't Negatron supposed to be a CD-ROM as well? I stuck it in my computer and found nothing. So far the only CD I have that has computer files is Prong - Rude Awakening. Maybe my copy of Negatron is from the wrong label, or something. Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung at hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction --------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 1 22:12:23 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:12:23 PDT Subject: OFF: SF Music List Message-ID: Does anybody here read the newsgroup rec.arts.sf.misc? I found a rather long posting today about SF references in music. A variety of bands are listed, and Hawkwind is acknowledged as the "all-time concensus champion of SF-rock." I would post it here, but I think the posting is too long. If you want to see it, look in the newsgroup under the name of the poster and compiler of the list, Rick Kulawiec, or email me and I can forward the list to you. Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung at hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction --------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Oct 2 01:07:59 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:07:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: I bought this cd and my computer at home couldn't find any files on it (all it showed were audio tracks). However, my computer at work, which was running Windows NT 4.0 could see all sorts of quicktime format picture files. The CD supposedly had both PC and Mac versions of the multimedia, but it looked like only the Mac files got included (after all, quicktime is an Apple creation). Anyway, I sold the CD a while ago because I thought it basically sucked... Aaron Crandall deadline at cyberhighway.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2251 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 2 04:44:19 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:44:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: > > if u ask me, you are trying to do too much, in too little time. > also, bear in mind, the tubes can be closed at any point at any time. > bombings and bomb scares. we had one when we were there, and couldnt > even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that said he must. Yeah, but Brixton's south of the river. I presume Frank will have already checked in for his connecting flight? And a lot depends on how quickly he clears immigration. But I wouldn't wish 5 hours at Heathrow on anyone. I had a 5-hour layoff at Istanbul once, took a taxi into town, checked out Hagia Sophia and the Topkapi Palace (which ruled!), back in plenty of time for my connection... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 2 04:58:13 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:58:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: > couldnt even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that >said he must. Ah. Common mistake. There is *no* law that says cab drivers have to do anything - other than a strict charging structure. This tends to lead to loud drunken arguments on a Friday night. Anyway - if you've only got a couple of hours, I'd reckon that you'd have just about enough time to get into town, grab a quick pint and a sandwich, and get back to Heathrow. Probably not worth it, as I'm fairly sure there's a Tap and Spile or a Wetherspoons pub at Heathrow, both of which do reasonable imitations of pub food. Cheers, Rich. ** Sign on you crazy diamond ** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 06:02:52 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:02:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:55:16 -0500 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > My fiancee and I will have a short lay-over in London on the way to our > honeymoon, and we would like to get some specific information. Our > flight gets into Heathrow Airport at 10:00 AM on a Saturday (18 > October) and doesn't leave until 4:35 PM that same day. We are hoping > to take public transportation (the tube?) into London, walk around for > a while to see some sights and try to wake up, and then take public > transportation back to the airport. We won't have our luggage with, > so that will make things easier. > > First, we plan to take the Piccadily Line Underground into the city, > which is supposed to take 30 to 40 minutes. Does anyone have any > better suggestions? I'd eave a litte onger on the way back, just in case... > Second, can someone please suggest a good destination in London given > that we will have a total of only two or three hours there? We have > both been to London before (but it has been a while). We were > thinking of going to an area like Piccadily to have lunch and walk > around. Does that sound reasonable? What sort of things would you like to see and do in London. Piccadilly is more or less the place that the tourists all hang out. There's the Trocadero Centre for all the 'puter games. Lots of record shops on and around Oxford Street which is about 5 minutes walk away. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 06:06:12 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:06:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:29:24 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > if u ask me, you are trying to do too much, in too little time. > also, bear in mind, the tubes can be closed at any point at any time. > bombings and bomb scares. we had one when we were there, and couldnt > even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that said he must. London Taxi drivers are totally Unclear On The Concept. More than once i've asked to go somewere and been told "I don't know where that is so I'm not going" (So much for "The Knowledge") or "I'm not going that way guv". As far as I can tell they have their own plans for the day and the customer is exected to fit in with them. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 06:08:16 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:08:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:44:19 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > > > if u ask me, you are trying to do too much, in too little time. > > also, bear in mind, the tubes can be closed at any point at any time. > > bombings and bomb scares. we had one when we were there, and couldnt > > even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that said he must. > > Yeah, but Brixton's south of the river. I've heard that excuse too. What's it supposed to mean? Haven't they told the taxi drivers that the bridges have been built? ARe they under the illusion that a ferry will be necessary? > - Andy FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 2 06:27:56 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:27:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: > > Yeah, but Brixton's south of the river. > > I've heard that excuse too. What's it supposed to mean? Haven't they > told the taxi drivers that the bridges have been built? ARe they under > the illusion that a ferry will be necessary? To be honest, I'm not sure of the reason - but the first law of black cabs is, "South of the river? At this time of night(/day)? You must be jokin', mate!" ObHW: "Taxi for Max" - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 2 07:31:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:31:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: <3432F8F4.1C1C7F26@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <3432F8F4.1C1C7F26 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes > >stay at the airport. that is not enough time to see anything worth >seeing, and when my wife and i were there we cut it about as close, >and when we were arriving, they were putting the rope across the gate. >we were amazed that they let us on the plane. > >if you must go, give yerself at least a half hour more than you think >you will need, and be sure to know EXACTLY where you need to be, and how >to get there. > >if u ask me, you are trying to do too much, in too little time. >also, bear in mind, the tubes can be closed at any point at any time. >bombings and bomb scares. we had one when we were there, and couldnt >even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that said he must. > > >good luck, whatever you decide. >rj > >BTW, where is the honeymoon? I'd have to agree with rj, although technically the tube from the airport is only 30-40 mins, you'd be taking a risk getting into the town centre. If i was heading to the airport from town I'd want a good couple of hours leeway, in case of delays, which are not unlikely. My shop is only a few miles, one bus ride from the airport and I can't honestly recommend even giving us a visit so, like the man said, best stay put. have a good trip, -- Jon Browne From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 08:40:00 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:40:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:27:56 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > > Yeah, but Brixton's south of the river. > > > > I've heard that excuse too. What's it supposed to mean? Haven't they > > told the taxi drivers that the bridges have been built? ARe they under > > the illusion that a ferry will be necessary? > > To be honest, I'm not sure of the reason - but the first law of black cabs > is, "South of the river? At this time of night(/day)? You must be jokin', > mate!" So what's the point in the Council licensing taxis if they won't go where the customers want to go? Drop licensing, let anyone do it and we'll get to go where we want to go and cheaper with it. FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Oct 2 04:57:49 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:57:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:55:16 CDT." <9710011455.ZM3677@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: > My fiancee and I will have a short lay-over in London on the way to our > honeymoon, and we would like to get some specific information. Our > flight gets into Heathrow Airport at 10:00 AM on a Saturday (18 > October) and doesn't leave until 4:35 PM that same day. We are hoping > to take public transportation (the tube?) into London, walk around for > a while to see some sights and try to wake up, and then take public > transportation back to the airport. We won't have our luggage with, > so that will make things easier. > > First, we plan to take the Piccadily Line Underground into the city, > which is supposed to take 30 to 40 minutes. Does anyone have any > better suggestions? Err, thats about right. But its going to take you about 30-40 mins to get out through immigration & customs, surely. The tube is right at the airport so thats a synch to get. > Second, can someone please suggest a good destination in London given > that we will have a total of only two or three hours there? We have > both been to London before (but it has been a while). We were > thinking of going to an area like Piccadily to have lunch and walk > around. Does that sound reasonable? Berwick St. Soho. Couple of the best CD stores in town. But I guess that maybe isn't what you had in mind ;-> I dunno really, since I don't live in london. There's plenty of places around Piccadilly Circus/Leicester Sq. to eat at, which you can get to from your tube. I think the question is whether you can realistically get there and back in time Go for it. Tim From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Oct 2 10:11:57 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:11:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: hey, maybe i Am mistaken. but you can hardly blame me, what with the big sign in the cab that says: the driver must take you to any destination within six miles of pickup point. any refusal to do so, should be reported to the police station at blah blah blah. and it was funny.... i was a little upset at the prospect of not getting to see HW because some cab driver didnt want to do his job. and i was also half convinced that the guy didnt want to take us, because he was assuming we were looking for drugs or something. so i threatened to turn him in, if he didnt take us. he got very nervous, and said he would. the poor guy looked like he was gonna cry, so i relented a bit, and told him just to take us to the operable tube station nearest brixton, that he felt comfortable with. it was myself, my wife, and bill and beverly stewart. it was an amusing situation, once the compromise had been made. so, whatever the law is, it is at least policy that they take you wherever within a certain distance. and at least some drivers respect the idea. ps. we had to take an all nite private cab back to hydepark. we got scalped, bigtime. but that was not as embarrassing as the time the four of us accidentally nicked mike and jill's cab to the train from brentwood. =( rj Rich Lockwood wrote: > > > couldnt even get a cab to take us to brixton, despite the law that >said he must. > > Ah. Common mistake. There is *no* law that says cab drivers have to do > anything - other than a strict charging structure. This tends to lead > to loud drunken arguments on a Friday night. > > Anyway - if you've only got a couple of hours, I'd reckon that you'd > have just about enough time to get into town, grab a quick pint and a > sandwich, and get back to Heathrow. Probably not worth it, as I'm > fairly sure there's a Tap and Spile or a Wetherspoons pub at Heathrow, > both of which do reasonable imitations of pub food. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** Sign on you crazy diamond ** From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Oct 2 10:14:05 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:14:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: Voivod In-Reply-To: <19971002014153.14208.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Away is such a talented artist!!! Not the same vibe Hawkwind had > with Barney Bubbles, but I can't think of a single band that uses > art with music the way Voivod does. (Hauntingly original, too!) > > Say, wasn't Negatron supposed to be a CD-ROM as well? I stuck it > in my computer and found nothing. So far the only CD I have that > has computer files is Prong - Rude Awakening. Maybe my copy of Actually, I thought the one redeeming feature of Negatron was the CD-ROM stuff - video of "Insect" a five-minute video promo of other bands on the Mausoleum label, clips from all the tracks on the disc (why?) and - best of all - a bunch of weird, eerie little animated computer art by Away. Too bad you couldn't get it to go, but then again, I haven't figured out how to get my computer to read the stuff that's on Rude Awakening. Maybe a problem with system config? YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 10:34:17 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:34:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > > ps. we had to take an all nite private cab back to hydepark. we got > scalped, bigtime. > but that was not as embarrassing as the time the four of us accidentally > nicked mike and jill's cab to the train from brentwood. =( You bastards! That was you??? We nearly got lost running to the station and trapped in Brentwood. FoFP From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Oct 2 11:34:02 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:34:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: now, hold on there. yer memory is short. we figured this out at the train station, remember? like i said it was an accident. we called a cab, and one was there when we got up to the road. there was already someone trying to get it, and we asked the driver how many he was supposed to get. he said four and since we were four, we got it. we only _assumed_ afterwards that we had nicked yer cab, after you arrived. man, if i had known, i would have CARRIED the both of you to the station. IF we actually did, i apologize endlessly. rj M Holmes wrote: > > Ron Jennings writes: > > > > > ps. we had to take an all nite private cab back to hydepark. we got > > scalped, bigtime. > > but that was not as embarrassing as the time the four of us accidentally > > nicked mike and jill's cab to the train from brentwood. =( > > You bastards! That was you??? We nearly got lost running to the station > and trapped in Brentwood. > > FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 11:41:49 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:41:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:11:57 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > but that was not as embarrassing as the time the four of us accidentally > nicked mike and jill's cab to the train from brentwood. =( ah is *that* what happened to it!!! I got a fair amount of flak over that one. ah well. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Oct 2 11:27:24 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings "Re: OFF: Heathrow/London help" (Oct 1, 9:29pm) Message-ID: Everyone, Thanks for all the responses! I understand the time concerns that several people have mentioned. I live in Chicago, and getting downtown from O'Hare airport (and vice versa) can be a challenge. We are still trying to figure out if it is worth going all the way into London, but it's hard to know we are going to be stuck in the airport outside of a great city for so long. I'll have to find out about how to check in for the connecting flight, too. Our bags are checked all the way through to Cairo, and the whole trip is arranged through a tour company, so there may not be much we need to do. As for timing, we figure it this way (assuming the plane gets in on time; if not, all bets are off): We have a 6.5 hour lay-over. If we allow 1 hour each way for transportation, that leaves 4.5 hours. We should get to the airport 2 hours early, so that leaves 2.5 hours. So basically, leaving ourselves plenty of time, we still have 2.5 hours to clear customs and sightsee. Whether or not that is worth it is a different question. We figure that we'll need to walk around to wake up after our overnight flight and so that we can get back on the plane for another six or seven hours and stay awake. We need to be able to go to sleep when we finally arrive in Cairo late that night. Assuming that we don't make it all the way into London, can anyone suggest some place closer to the airport where it would be worth spending a few hours? If nothing else, we at least want to have lunch and walk around to enjoy the scenery a bit. For the record, our honeymoon is in Egypt. We are spending a few days in Cairo (the pyramids, etc.), then flying to Luxor to take a cruise down the Nile to Aswan for four or five days (and seeing all the old temples along the way), and then finally flying to Abu Simbel where the temple of Ramses II is carved into the mountain. We fly back home (Chicago) from there via Cairo and London. Why? Because it's there, because we haven't been there, and because ancient Egypt is !@$)*!&$ cool! Thanks again, Frank ObNotSoGreatOccurrence: The fact that an escapee from a mental institution fire-bombed a bus across from the hotel where we will be staying adds just a bit too much sense of adventure to the trip. Doesn't worry us one bit, though. Nope, not at all. Well, hardly at all. Just a little maybe. Somewhat. Okay, we really aren't happy about it, but we figure we can't go through life living in a shell. I'd guess our chances are higher to get injured on the way to the airport here in Chicago than to be involved in some terrorist attack in Egypt, especially now that the government has stepped up their vigilance again. Oh well. Life would be no fun if everything went smoothly. :-) ObWeddingCountdown: 8 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere near the place. -- Steven Wright From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 12:23:24 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:23:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > now, hold on there. > yer memory is short. Ah. Must've been something I ate. FoFP From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Oct 2 12:42:36 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:42:36 -0400 Subject: What BOC after Workshop of the Telescopes collection? Message-ID: OK, I have been listening to Workshop of the Telescopes collection of BOC tracks for about six months now, and I really dug Cities, Godzilla, Veteran, Dominance, & M.E. 262. What BOC album should I try out next? Cheers! Marc. -- New! Updated! Strange Daze pics and sound files of Born to Go's SpaceRock preview...site in progress. "Marc Power of Born to Go...who just might be the English Gene Simmons" - Steve Lindsey at Strange Daze 97 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 2 13:05:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:05:43 EDT Subject: What BOC after Workshop of the Telescopes collection? Message-ID: > From: Marc Power > OK, I have been listening to Workshop of the Telescopes collection > of BOC tracks for about six months now, and I really dug Cities, > Godzilla, Veteran, Dominance, & M.E. 262. > > What BOC album should I try out next? Try and find the 3-Pack. 1st 3 albums for under 20 bucks. Best deal on the planet for the 3 best rock albums of all time. Cultasaurus ERectus is a damn good record too. Ones to skip: Mirrors, Club Ninja, Revolution By Night [though it does feature a couple of great, kick-ass tunes]. Imaginos isn't really a BOC album, but it's really good anyway--if you like BOC, you'll probably like Imaginos... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Oct 2 13:21:40 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:21:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > > > > For the record, our honeymoon is in Egypt. We are spending a few days > in Cairo (the pyramids, etc.), then flying to Luxor to take a cruise > down the Nile to Aswan for four or five days (and seeing all the old > temples along the way), and then finally flying to Abu Simbel where > the temple of Ramses II is carved into the mountain. We fly back home > (Chicago) from there via Cairo and London. Congratulations to you & your new wife:) (Might be early,but WTH!!) I know nothing about the area you're going to,but want to wish you alot of happiness!! May your marriage last as well as mine!! 13 years & keepin goin!!! We shall expect a full review of the trip!! We also want pictures. :) :) :) > Why? Because it's there, because we haven't been there, and because > ancient Egypt is !@$)*!&$ cool! Frank & New wife, enjoy yourselves.Rock on, Pam > > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Frank Weil writes: > Everyone, > So basically, leaving ourselves plenty of time, we still have 2.5 > hours to clear customs and sightsee. Whether or not that is worth it > is a different question. We figure that we'll need to walk around to > wake up after our overnight flight and so that we can get back on the > plane for another six or seven hours and stay awake. We need to be > able to go to sleep when we finally arrive in Cairo late that night. > > Assuming that we don't make it all the way into London, can anyone > suggest some place closer to the airport where it would be worth > spending a few hours? If nothing else, we at least want to have lunch > and walk around to enjoy the scenery a bit. In that case you could always take the interlink bus to Reading (about 40 mins) and find a pub for lunch out there. Unfortunately it's all motorway not a particularly beautiful town so that doesn't really help much. But it's on the river and you are right out in the country and the train trip from Reading to London is pleasant enough since its route is down the Thames valley. A better plan would be to allow, say, 30-40 mins to clear customs, then get the tube straight to Covent Garden (allow an hour from station to station in case of delays). There's loads of pubs and odd shops there and sandwich places and a chance to stroll round the backstreets. Then get the tube straight back to Heathrow in time to catch your plane (again allow yourself the full hour from door to door which will give you a bit of leeway in case you get lost!). Enjoy. Of course you could always miss the plane to Egypt and have to reclaim your ticket costs through the insurance and have to spend your honeymoon touring the UK instead....... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 2 13:19:53 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:19:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: > > Why? Because it's there, because we haven't been there, and because > ancient Egypt is !@$)*!&$ cool! > It certainly is - but what surprised me is that modern Egypt is too! (Frank - I've been to Egypt a couple of times, and had a fantastic time both times, so if you want any advice, drop me an e-mail!) ObHW - Take a tape of _Xitintoday_ for your Walkman! ObBOC - "recall the dream of Luxor" - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Oct 2 13:42:37 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:42:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help In-Reply-To: <199710021715.SAA23792@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > > In that case you could always take the interlink bus to Reading (about > 40 mins) and find a pub for lunch out there. Unfortunately it's all > motorway not a particularly beautiful town so that doesn't really help > much. But it's on the river and you are right out in the country and > the train trip from Reading to London is pleasant enough since its route > is down the Thames valley. Speaking as a Reading resident I say go to London. Far more interesting stuff to do, and you get to travel on the very boring tube instead of the very boring M4, which is more prone to delays. I would agree that Covent Garden is a good bet for enjoying a short time in London. Not fantastic for record shops, but records are so expensive over here I wouldn't bother unless there is something you are desperate for. Have a good one Mike w From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Oct 2 14:00:48 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:00:48 -0400 Subject: What BOC after Workshop of the Telescopes collection? Message-ID: >OK, I have been listening to Workshop of the Telescopes collection >of BOC tracks for about six months now, and I really dug Cities, > Godzilla, Veteran, Dominance, & M.E. 262. > >What BOC album should I try out next? Based on what you liked and what you have already (and what you didn't mention off WOTT that is on other albums) I'd recommend Cultosaurus Erectus next. The only track off it on WOTT is Marshall Plan, which is not representetive of the rest of the stuff, and has a bunch of good stuff (Black Blade, Unknown Tongue, Monsters, Lips in the Hills, et al) that kinda fits in with some of the stuff you mentioned. That, and the first three albums, though you have most of the tracks (either in that version or a live version) of Secret Treaties and B.O.C. Maybe Tyranny & Mutation would also be good... Oh, yeah, and Imaginos. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 2 14:19:59 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (BL Young) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:19:59 PDT Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: >Actually, I thought the one redeeming feature of Negatron was the CD-ROM >stuff - video of "Insect" a five-minute video promo of other bands on the >Mausoleum label, clips from all the tracks on the disc (why?) and - best >of all - a bunch of weird, eerie little animated computer art by Away. >Too bad you couldn't get it to go, but then again, I haven't figured out >how to get my computer to read the stuff that's on Rude Awakening. Maybe >a problem with system config? > > >YFNR > >Crawford > I'm using a 486 PC computer, and somebody else just said the Negatron CD can only be read on a Mac. Are you using a Mac? That might explain why you can't get the Rude Awakening CD to work. bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung at hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction --------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Oct 2 17:53:50 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:53:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Voivod In-Reply-To: <19971002014153.14208.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 18:41 01/10/97 PDT, you wrote: >It sounds like I will definitely have to get this one. I have all >the other Voivod albums on CD, and Negatron is my least favorite. Well, it's by no means "pleasant" in any way like Angel Rat - it's a pretty damn brutal record, it's just more *inspired* brutality than Negatron! If you thought Killing Technology was great, you'll definetly dig Phobos... >Away is such a talented artist!!! Not the same vibe Hawkwind had >with Barney Bubbles, but I can't think of a single band that uses >art with music the way Voivod does. (Hauntingly original, too!) Yeah - I thought it was interesting that he started doing computer art so early (on Angel Rat, '91). I have the 3D edition of Outer Limits - fantastic stuff, with 3D Voivod-spex included (the CD booklet was packaged like a 3D comic book - "Voivod No. 8, Summer Edition 'The Outer Limits'"...). It's the coolest/etc CD packaging I have seen along with the remastered XISOS. And there is the scary "space junk" logo and cyber-skull (whatever!) design on their early albums... The new CD has somewhat "old style" Voivod artwork... As for other bands with that type of album art "culture", Daevid Allen's Gong/solo etc. artwork is up there with HW and Voivod... And how about Budgie! Those weird budgies in every situation... and what about Iron Maiden's Eddie the Monster, hmmmm? >Say, wasn't Negatron supposed to be a CD-ROM as well? I stuck it >in my computer and found nothing. So far the only CD I have that >has computer files is Prong - Rude Awakening. Maybe my copy of >Negatron is from the wrong label, or something. I was hoping that would be one of Negatron's few redeeming qualities, but alas, I found nothing on the CD on my PC. I asked Langevin about it actually!!!! He said the CDrom was only on the US release, and the Euro version (which I have) had an extra track, Drift, I think. I would much rather have seen the animated ant :-) Strange realization on the way to work listening to Phobos: all the bleeping pulse-sounds on the album are Piggy's toy raygun!!!!! One and the same...! I guess that sort of is the final word in their (non) use of synths live... Christian obCD: Monkees - Greatest Hits From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Oct 2 17:00:24 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:00:24 -0700 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: Hey, ya'll. I have an opportunity to introduce to some people the literary contributions of HW, via Calvert and Moorcock, to some people, by way of an presentation for my English Lit, Romantics-present class. All I need is some basic biog. info. I know this info may be available on web pages and all, but at this time it would be muich more convenient for me to just know: exactly where HW began (Notting Hill? And is that a suburb or section of London?) Birth-place and maybe birth-date of Calvert and Moorcock. Publishing date for Calvert's poetry books. I guess that's all really. I just need a few basics for background and then I will distribute to the class copies of several pieces, probably 10 Seconds, Awakening, Spirit of the Age, Sonic Attack, Warrior On The Edge of Time, etc, to read. Any help or recommendations appreciated, thanks, Charlie From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 2 17:22:48 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:22:48 EDT Subject: OFF: Voivod Message-ID: > From: C Mumford > Strange realization on the way to work listening to Phobos: all the bleeping > pulse-sounds on the album are Piggy's toy raygun!!!!! One and the same...! > I guess that sort of is the final word in their (non) use of synths live... > > Christian But not really unique. Steve Stevens is a big fan of old toys, and I've seen him hold a ray-gun over the pickups of his guitar for sound effects. In the past, he figured out a way to simulate raygun noises using delays and harmonizers. It can be found on Rebel Yell, I believe, and also on a song on Whiplash Smile, Man For All Seasons, I think... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 2 17:43:03 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:43:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: On Thursday, October 02, 1997 10:00 PM, Chuck Rosenberg [SMTP:chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET] wrote: > Hey, ya'll. > > I have an opportunity to introduce to some people the literary > contributions of HW, via Calvert and Moorcock, to some people, by way of an > presentation for my English Lit, Romantics-present class. Eng Lit was never like that when I was at school... :) > All I need is some basic biog. info. I know this info may be available on > web pages and all, but at this time it would be muich more convenient for > me to just know: > > exactly where HW began (Notting Hill? And is that a suburb or section of > London?) Notting Hill's in West London, adjoining Portobello and Ladbroke Grove. It's always been a bit Bohemian, but these days it's perhaps best known for the Notting Hill Carnival, which supposedly is the biggest event of its kind outside South America. Brock actually met Turner in Holland, according to _Rock Family Trees_, but they soon became established in Notting Hill - the first gig was a 10 minute affair at All Saints Hall in Notting Hill gate. And they got signed right away!!!! > Birth-place and maybe birth-date of Calvert and Moorcock. MM: b. 1939, London RC: b. 1945, Pretoria, South Africa, d. 1988. >From the C232 back cover: "...but moved to England at the age of two. He went to school in London and Margate [seaside town in Kent - AG], and later studied building technology at Canterbury Tech. "Always interested in the literary arts, he began writing and performing poetry around 1967, and in that year formed a street theatre group in London's Chalk Farm, "Street Dada Nihilismus". Shortly thereafter he met up with Britain's premier space-rock band, Hawkwind [etc etc]" > Publishing date for Calvert's poetry books. Centigrade 232 - 1977 Earth Ritual - don't know! Don't forget his novel _Hype_, 1981. Good luck! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Oct 2 21:11:24 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:11:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Heathrow/London help Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:27:24 -0500 Frank Weil wrote: >ObWeddingCountdown: 8 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes. ObDamon'sWeddingCountdown: 8 months, 24 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes or, 267 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes. S'there. Ick. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Oct 2 21:15:54 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:15:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:00:24 -0700 Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >I will distribute to the class copies of several pieces, probably 10 >Seconds, Awakening, Spirit of the Age, Sonic Attack, Warrior On The Edge of >Time, etc, to read. Don't forget MM's "Space (Is Deep)"! :-) Damon From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Oct 3 01:16:42 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:16:42 -0600 Subject: What BOC after Workshop of the Telescopes collection? Message-ID: Marc wrote: Try Secret Treaties, definately one of their best. Every track is good, from the opening Career of Evil to the original version of Astronomy. I can listen to this one over and over again and never get tired of it! Two of the songs you mentioned, Dominance and ME 262 are also on this CD so if you like those, you're sure to like the rest. Aaron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2253 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 01:07:02 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:07:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Select Message-ID: This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing Silver Machine. Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? David From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 07:06:36 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:06:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: > wrote: > >I will distribute to the class copies of several pieces, probably 10 > >Seconds, Awakening, Spirit of the Age, Sonic Attack, Warrior On The > Edge of > >Time, etc, to read. I'd have thought "Warrior" might be a bit too cheesy. Maybe The Joker of the Universe and Note From a Cold Planet would be more interesting? Here's some Moorcock stuff he did for Hawkwind. Calvert Poetry appended after that. Arrival In Utopia ================= We dreamed of golden shining towers Of lazy days and thrilling hours Fields of wonder, streets so fair Of amber ships which sailed, through the air Dreamed of steel and glass and wire Of days of wine and nights of fire Dreamt of dogs that talked like boys Of girls who flew, of unnamed joys And now our dreams are true We don't know what to do For we don't like it here There's nothing for us to fear Bored mindless in Utopia BLACK CORRIDOR ( - Moorcock - ) Space is infinite, it is dark Space is neutral, it is cold Stars occupy minute areas of space They are clustered a few billion here And a few billion there As if seeking consolation in numbers Space does not care, space does not threaten Space does not comfort It does not sleep, it does not wake It does not dream It does not hope, it does not fear It does not love, it does not hate It does not encourage any of these qualities Space cannot be measured, it cannot be angered, it cannot be placated It cannot be summed up, space is there Space is not large and it is not small It does not live and it does not die It does not offer truth and neither does it lie Space is a remorseless, senseless, impersonal fact Space is the absence of time and of matter Choose Your Masks ================= They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been left up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the form that you have chosen Can entirely fill your mind For the mask you have selected Stands for Chaos or for Law And you cannot take it off now 'til you're no longer in the War And the Masks of War are grinning And from under them you howl Out the slogans of the part you play for the Battle's starting now Choose your Masks The ranks are forming Choose your Masks The day is dawning Choose your Masks And choose the side that you'll be on And learn the words of your new song For the Battle will be long.....so long........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chronicle of The Black Sword (Moorcock) ======================================= Now begins the tale of Elric proud prince of ruins who bore The Black Sword... Here is the Chronicle of that albino lord Who came to be called The White Wolf Who was called The Kinslayer Who was called Womanslayer Who was doomed to be torn between Chaos and Law Who was born to be the pawn of the Cosmic Balance Who was at once, more his own master than any who had lived before And was at the same time slave to bloodshed, cruelty, and war Listen, listen now.... Listen to the tale of how the White Wolf came by his Weird Listen to how Elric earned The Bane of The Black Sword Elric of Melnibone The Sailor on the Seas of Fate Elric Who battled to bring about the End Of Time Elric Who bore the sentient sword Stormbringer And who killed the only two mortal women he ever loved This is his sad, his terrible Aye, and his heroic Saga The Saga men call The Chronicle of The Black Sword..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Coded Languages (Bainbridge, Moorcock) --------------- Investigate the meaning of your sentence What is it telling you ? Where does it begin and where does it end ? Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders What do they want from you ? A rendezvous upon the sound The cars rev up the word goes round Their words are weapons of their will Their words can hurt Their words can kill A burning phrase can burn a town A syllable can bring you down Their languages are coded Your image is eroded Listen to the sound you heard Learn to fight against their word Vocabularies of death Destruction in their breath They use the lie They use the myth Seek only to confuse And liberty abuse The lies they tell are pretty And blow up another city They steal away your freedom And your love Their sentimental calling signs Are calculatingly designed To rob you of your mind and time And still you listen to The lulling drone of reassuring voices Tunes to take away your choices Make you slaves to fancy words and phrases Until you're pushing up the daisies They steal away your freedom and your love The Dark Lords ============== I have turned Zarozinia into a giant slug, Elric You will no longer mate with woman like her We will have the Sword from you Elric One way or the other, it makes no difference Look at him scurry backwards and forwards The poor little wretch does not know which way to turn Ah we've really got him this time. Zarozinia has been turned into a worm, ha, a slithering worm Your spells are no good now You will give us Stormbringer Go on Elric, look in your Law books, You will find that we are right You will find that you have to give it to us _____________________________________________________________________________ Dead God's Homecoming (Moorcock) ================================ You raise your eyes to the howling sky Raise your sword to the haunted Moon You raise your voice in a battle cry And you raise your shield You raise your shield Against unholy doom For they shan't possess your will's control Shall not enslave your mortal soul And won't divert you from your goal Though dark war rules from pole to pole You are the Lord of Ruins Albino Prince of Ruins And your sins shall save the world Beyond the ocean brews a battle Beyond the battle blood shall fall If Elric's kinsman ventures with him (Bearing a twin of that which he bears) To a place where man-forsaken Dwells the one who should not live There's a bargain to be entered.... Elric's wife shall be restored Elric's wife shall be restored -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dragon Song (Moorcock) ====================== In a time before this time Those ancient gods of mine and thine Proclaimed our twin fates intertwined And named our day of destiny Calling all to come and feast To witness blood of man and beast Intermingled West to East North to South and sea to sea Mortal shall have dragon kin Share blood in virtue and in sin 'gainst common enemies shall win And ever bound in twain shall be! Now dragons wake to dragon's flight Drahon beauty, dragon bright Rise in vengeance, soar to fight Dragons roar fills up the night Firedrake's form blots out the Moon Dragons rise from sleeping grave When brothers sing the dragons tune Echoing through the dragon's cave Dragon singer, dragon cry Dragon rider mounts the sky Dragon brother, legends fame Hear me call the dragon names: Flamefang! Hornblow! Rainbow Wing! 'Tis time we heard the dragons sing Spiketail! Sharpclaw! Snout-On-Fire! Create our enemies' funeral pyre Steelcrest! Blackscale! Golden Bone! Rise to defend the Dragon Throne {Dragon steed bears dragon kin Towards the howling battle din Dragon rider's cry is wild Dragon mother, dragon child Dragons' wings unfolded wide Aloft now spreads the dragon tide Dragons dive and dragons sear Bring the death which all men fear For Death is now the dragon's bride Upward now the dragons spear Higher where the air is clear Above the clouds, close to the Sun Dragon brothers, we are one! Dragons kill and dragons slay Dragons fly towards the fray Pay the price all dragons pay For victory brings our funeral day!} --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Earth Ritual (Moorcock) =========================== We bring you the ritual of the ravaged Earth For we are all the Children of the Mother Sea We bring the rites of the reign of fire We are the Lords of Hunger The Ladies of Pain The weeping victims of our ruined brains And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the oracle of the nuclear night Heralds and explorers of eternal ice We are the acolytes of your hidden flame Guardians of the dead; no longer sane We are the ghosts of that lifeless, nuclear night And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the Lost The Last We are the half-blind We are the Warriors at the End Of Time Ravenous and white in perpetual freezing night We are the Daughters of the Moon Sons of the Ice And we're standing on the very Edge of Time And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time It is cold and hopeless at the End of Time You grow hard of heart and lose your sign To your Rites of Earth, and soul, and mind Too weak to protest at their martial crimes To cry out for your rights, to hold the line... It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love Demand your rights to air, and earth, and fire Demand your rights so all shall share Or stand forever lonely on the Edge of Time Freeze forever at the Edge of Time For it is cold, so cold, at the Edge of Time It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Final Fight (Moorcock) =============== Ships of Chaos upwards churning >From the nightmare realms below Dragons downwards, venom burning Now attack the malformed foe Lords of Hell, all pity spurning Cry "Revenge" and lust for death Their servant Elric's mind is turning To sweet Law's promises of rest Monstrous men and manlike monsters Battle for the end of time Meanwhile heavy metal songsters Cut themselves another line... Speed now! Speed to war and horror Speed to battle - Speed to die Hasten, for there's no tomorrow The future's merely another lie Dragons sigh and dragons soaring Marshall for their Final Fight Chaos creatures in torment roaring Seek the rule of Earth's old night. Dragon brothers onward fly Chaos summons all her might Dragon Lord is coming nigh Come to fight the Final Fight Come to fight the Final Fight ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Joker of the Universe (Moorcock) ==================================== They have killed the great Sun Jester Who danced between the stars They have stripped him of his manhood Signs of Venus and of Mars The cynics left him weeping And the jackals left him torn But the jester reaches out blind hands he can touch the stars no more And he danced for us And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good and he was bad And he took the stars in his hands And as he scattered them he'd shout "I'm The Joker of The Universe I'm what it's all about!" Now he's dying in his dream And the hard men drag him down They have killed the wild-eyed jester They have killed the Fireclown Now his blind eyes seek the starlight And his fingers seek controls To take him into space again Where he was both young and old The dancers legs are stiffened with pain And they've made him kneel too long And the madness they have driven out They've left him cold and sane He'll never sing his songs again He'll never dance between the stars again He'll never laugh again He'll never dream your songs again He'll never sing his songs again He'll never sing his songs again --------------------------------------------------------------------------- KINGS OF SPEED ( - Brock - Moorcock - ) Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed Between you and me Mr. C, I think we have what these boys need Step this way lads, it ain't no lie, Try your luck and be the human fly Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We're gonna take a tasty trip on Frank and Beasley's rocket ship The biggest attraction, the brightest star, boys you're going fast and far Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We guarantee you the sweetest ride You'll go so far you'll think you've died Step this way lads it ain't no lie Try your luck and reach the sky _________________________________________________________________________ Note From a Cold Planet ======================= There is ice everywhere now, from pole to pole And we live in a kind of miserable twilight Mining what we can of the food we left behind Mining for Campbell's Soup and Birds-Eye peas For Heinz baked Beans and sliced Kraft cheese Yes all the food is frozen now all the food is frozen now Last year we struck a forest two hundred feet below It was perfectly preserved. It was as though Some cryogenic process petrified it in time It seemed a shame to drag it up and burn it But we've no choice if we wish to stay alive Yes, all the trees are frozen now all the trees are frozen now There are fourteen of us left in our group today Three of these are women: warriors from Mandalay The others are from Africa, America, Japan The English cannibal is, of course, a man He claims it is the price he has to pay Yes, all our hearts are frozen now all our hearts are frozen now I know for certain there is earth below the snow The land we lost only a few short years ago When in our euphoric ferocity we loosed the fires No water could extinguish. A hundred billion funeral pyres Their fumes became our shroud. There's nowhere left to go Yes, all our hopes are frozen now all our hopes are frozen now We denied ourselves the right to walk upon the Earth To walk upon the surface of our Earth We denied our rites, the lore of ancient wisdom We can no longer walk upon the surface of our Earth Denied the facts of death and the facts of birth Yes, all our Future's frozen now all our Future's frozen now ___________________________________________________________________________ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Oct 3 07:26:29 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:26:29 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: Joker of the Universe Message-ID: those are amolst verbatim the lyrics to "The Great Sun Jester" how does Hawkwinds version sound compared to BOCs? Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:18:15 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:18:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help for Paper Message-ID: More Moorcock lyrics: The Timeship Will Not Sail Again ================================ The ghosts of unborn children play with toys The memories of the future are a wild confusing noise And we cannot stick to flashes of the future we have seen And we can't act for terror Of what will be and what we've been And we're frozen in a time trap And we're slowly losing power And we're frightened if we makes a move That the dream will still go sour There are memories all around us And images of the past And the crying of the children keeps us tied round the mast But the timeship will not sail again Until we find our nerves And the timeship cannot fight again "til we know who it is we serve And the memories of the future Are a weapon in their hands And we'll always be defenseless Until we make a stand The timeship cannot sail again Until we make a stand The timeship cannot fight again 'til we give up all we've gained The timeship cannot ride again 'til we give up all we've gained And smash the memories of the future Forever we're aftaid The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again ________________________________________________________________________ My Armour's Killing Me ====================== If you try to take it off it will destroy you And it's almost impossible to remove Wear it carefully, wear it carefully It will protect you against all enemies including yourself. The armour should be given in perfect condition. Any weaknesses should be reported immediately. Your armour will protect you from all conceivable dangers. Especially from within Especially from within It will enable you to resist All temptations and all changes Your armour shines and gleams so well Enabling you to walk through Hell And keep your enemies at bay Through darkest night and brightest day If you keep it carefully You'll burn in it and die in it And never know you didn't have to wear it You'll never know you didn't have to wear it My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour holds me tight My armour blocks the light My armour's all I want 'cos I'm too scared to shed it Yes I'm too scared to shed it My armour's killing me (repeat) _____________________________________________________________________ And some of the less well known Calvert lyrics: The Beast of Chaos ================== The Beast of Chaos has no shape of its own The Beast of Chaos has no identity It's form is ever changing It can be a rising tower with a thousand eyes Whose gaze can turn the world to stone It can fart a battery of sound Like cannons aimed at Heaven Belching fumes of industrious flak It swallows them at morning And spews them out at evening Wasted and pale It feeds on their time The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its change is ever forming It can pass like a flight of steel eagles With claws of fire Or trample the Earth to dust With monstrous millions of iron feet It can dehydrate the oceans with its breath It can crumple the sky with its palms It can blot out the Sun It can black out the stars The Beast of Chaos comes from nowhere And leaves nothing behind The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its form is ever changing ______________________________________________________________________ In the Egg ========== We live in the Egg We live in the Egg We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings and the christian names of our enemies We are being hatched Whoever is hatching us is hatching our pencils as well Set free from the Egg one day, at once we shall draw a picture of whoever is hatching us We assume that we're being hatched We imagine some good natured fowl and write school essays about the colour and creed of the hen that is hatching us When shall we break the shell? Our prophets inside the Egg, for a middling salary, argue about the period of incubation The posit a day called "X" Out of boredom and genuine need, we have invented incubators We are much concerned about our offspring inside the Egg We should be glad to recommend our patent to whom looks after us But we have a room full of hardheads, senile chimps, polyglot embryos chatter all day and even discuss their dreams But what if we're not being hatched? What if the shell will never break, if the horizon is only that of our scribbles, and always will be? We hope that we're being hatched Even if we only talk of hatching there remains the fear that someone outside the shell will feel hungry and crack us into the frying pan with a pinch of salt What then my brethren inside the Egg? _________________________________________________________________________ Ode To A Crystal Set (Calvert) ============================== There wasn't much to you at all. A pair Of headphones, and a knob to twiddle But you beat the sixgun and the saddle You were futuristic as Colonel Dare And so was I, in your bakelite 'phones Tuned-in, to the insect language of Morse Always at war with the alien force Of crackling static's interference zones And at night I listened to voices drone With your dark conches pressed against my ears And dreamt there were voices among the stars The privilege of hearing was mine alone With your earthed antenna divining air You traced the future of your trans-sisters Oracular wire, you were the cat's whiskers 'Til I heard the superheterodyne's blare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (Calvert) Your calyx hides a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime. Did heedless Eve think twice before she broke The enjewelled fruit from its brittle stem. Or the first man to reach out and stroke The marijuana leaf, condemn Himself for greed when harvesting And burning such a golden thing. As this dreaming poet who just then spoke Of your sacredness, and is now prepared To do exactly as he first declared And make of his museful words a joke. But not quite as easy after all I find, as my fingers reach to grasp, Your gleaming head to wrench from its tall Transparent stalk, they refuse to clasp. As did Pandora's eager hands hold still At the thought of the box containing ill. Or the stoned explorers of Medusa stall For time not entered in their log Before they dared the petrific fog That holds them still in its timeless thrall. .......................... a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time For Sale ============= Roll up everybody, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you're wasted price'll show ya' more surprise if you've got the blues Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. Works out quite expensive but you've a lot of time to pay So don't be apprehensive come on, buy up the time today Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Oh Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. Got what you need - it's all guarenteed You can have a time of a whale If the boss don't suit ya - you can try on the ledger You don't have to pay on the nail - I've got time for sale. 'ere.....D'you wanna buy some time? Want to buy some time? Coz' I've got second-hand time for sale. second hand time second hand time for sale. Take a look in his pouch You see what I see there? That's Helen Of Troy there! - He got Helen Of Troy there! You can have her if you pay for time second-hand time first hand time I've got first hand time, once upon a time a second a second a second a second I sicken for this time second hand time time time first hand time time time I can sell to you an hour or a complete eternity I can sell to you the power to have complete immortality Wouldn't you like to be the boy who could make the old mantra quale Lying in the arms of Helen Of Troy I've got time for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:43:09 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:43:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:00:24 -0700 Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > Hey, ya'll. > > I have an opportunity to introduce to some people the literary > contributions of HW, via Calvert and Moorcock, to some people, by way of an > presentation for my English Lit, Romantics-present class. > > Publishing date for Calvert's poetry books. > > I guess that's all really. I just need a few basics for background and then > I will distribute to the class copies of several pieces, probably 10 > Seconds, Awakening, Spirit of the Age, Sonic Attack, Warrior On The Edge of > Time, etc, to read. definitely include Calvert poems - you can probably get most of these from the Bob Calvert page run by the guy from Germany who mails from THING. Can't remember the full address off hand. Calvert also won a poetry award back in ??1980 for one of his poems about a trip on the London Underground and don't forget the plays he wrote. "Kid From Silicon Gulch" was one and there was another that he never got a chance to stage because the venue cancelled at the last minute. Definitely worth doing. Congrats!!! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:44:47 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:44:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Select (Forward) Message-ID: David said >This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing >Silver Machine. > >Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? Is it sold in the uk? Because if so I'll buy it, unless of course it's on of those versions which is on every unoffical cd reissue. Timmy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:45:46 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:45:46 +0100 Subject: HW/BOC: Joker of the Universe In-Reply-To: Bolts of Ungodly Vision's message of Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:26:29 -0400 Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes: > those are amolst verbatim the lyrics to "The Great Sun Jester" how does > Hawkwinds version sound compared to BOCs? It's always pretty much been spoken when it's been used at Hawkwind gigs. > > Jason > FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:53:29 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:53:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper In-Reply-To: <199710031106.MAA07011@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Here's some Moorcock stuff he did for Hawkwind. Calvert Poetry appended > after that. > > Coded Languages (Bainbridge, Moorcock) > --------------- snip > A burning phrase can burn a town > A syllable can bring you down I thought it was A burning phrase can raze (raise?) a town which then makes more sense with A syllable can bring you down Mike w From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Oct 3 08:49:40 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 05:49:40 -0700 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: >OK, I have been listening to Workshop of the Telescopes collection of BOC tracks for about six months now, and I really dug Cities, Godzilla, Veteran, Dominance, & M.E. 262. >What BOC album should I try out next? Mark notice how everyone is essentially steering you towards the big three (BOC, T&M and ST)? If you can get the three pak its your best buy. Personally if I were you I'd start at the beginning and play them in order. Best way to hear the band evolve/develove depending on your perspective. I would disagree with Theo somewhat in that you should not skip Mirrors, RBN or Club Ninja. While many do not consider these to be great works they still have some great numbers on them. Finally I would listen to all of those prior to listening to Imaginos. True Imaginos was Al's project which the record comapany would only back under the BOC title but the band did play this album and its loaded with guest stars. Great piece of work and one the band should have done in the late 70's early 80's as Pearlman suggested. If Sandy was right once in his life that was it. lil ab OBCD - Velvet Hammer Live From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 08:57:23 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) Message-ID: >Calvert also won a poetry award back in ??1980 for one of his poems >about a trip on the London Underground >jill Would that be in the london underground potry book which was issued a few years ago? My borther has a copy. IT included pomes inspried by the underground. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Oct 3 09:14:33 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:14:33 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: >>OK, I have been listening to Workshop of the Telescopes collection >of BOC tracks for about six months now, and I really dug Cities, > Godzilla, Veteran, Dominance, & M.E. 262. > >>What BOC album should I try out next? > >Mark notice how everyone is essentially steering you towards the big >three (BOC, T&M and ST)? If you can get the three pak its your best >buy. While I agree about 3-pak, I had a slight misgiving about recommending Secret Treaties if only because with WOTT, he already has a version of every song on Secret Treaties except 'Cagey Cretins' on WOTT. While the ST versions are also worth having, I'd recommend going with one of the others first. BOC is also heavily represented on WOTT, with only 'Redeamed', 'Screams', and 'SABAAF' not being represented in one form or another (if you consider TR&TB as a version of IOTLBIANS, which I do). On those grounds, T&M seemed like a good choice, seeing that it is very under-represented on WOTT with only two songs (TR&TB and 7SDB) (though Mark, if you find 3-pak, it's worth it). This is why I thinkn Cultosaurus would be a good next step as it is generally a heavier album, which fits in with the songs mentioned above. The only one that isn't is Veteran, which ties in nicely to Black Blade, so it works on that level too. Theo also recommended it. And we all know what Bolle thinks of it, too.... As for Mirrors, I like it, but I wouldn't recommend it as an example to find more stuff similar to what Mark singled out from WOTT. 'The Great Sun Jester' is still one of my favorite tunes... One other note, I find lots of people lump 'The Revolution by Night' and 'Club Ninja' together as two rather worthless (by BOC standards) albums with one or two great tunes. I don't think this is fair to RBN, I think it is a much better album than CN. Even aside from 'Take Me Away' (which I'm sure is one of the things referred to by people when they say it has a few great songs). On CN I always skip certain tunes, but I usually let RBN run through. I even don't mind 'Let Go' and 'Light Years of Love'. anyways. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 3 10:10:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:10:03 EDT Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >>What BOC album should I try out next? > > > >Mark notice how everyone is essentially steering you towards the big > >three (BOC, T&M and ST)? If you can get the three pak its your best > >buy. > > While I agree about 3-pak, I had a slight misgiving about recommending > Secret Treaties if only because with WOTT, he already has a version of > every song on Secret Treaties except 'Cagey Cretins' on WOTT. While the > ST versions are also worth having, I'd recommend going with one of the > others first. BOC is also heavily represented on WOTT, with only > 'Redeamed', 'Screams', and 'SABAAF' not being represented in one form > or another (if you consider TR&TB as a version of IOTLBIANS, which I do). > On those grounds, T&M seemed like a good choice, seeing that it is very > under-represented on WOTT with only two songs (TR&TB and 7SDB) (though > Mark, if you find 3-pak, it's worth it). This is why I thinkn Cultosaurus > would be a good next step as it is generally a heavier album, which fits > in with the songs mentioned above. The only one that isn't is Veteran, > which ties in nicely to Black Blade, so it works on that level too. Theo > also recommended it. And we all know what Bolle thinks of it, too.... > CE is cool because it has a lot of macabre lyrics which harken back to the early albums. Lips in the Hills is a killer tune. Marshall Plan's a joke, but features some great soloing from BD... > As for Mirrors, I like it, but I wouldn't recommend it as an example to find > more stuff similar to what Mark singled out from WOTT. 'The Great Sun Jester' > is still one of my favorite tunes... > The Vigil's a great song too. I just don't think the album has the consistency of material to recommend it. I was thinking of bang for the buck as a criterion too, figuring maybe mark wasn't going to buy all the albums... > One other note, I find lots of people lump 'The Revolution by Night' and 'Club > Ninja' together as two rather worthless (by BOC standards) albums with > one or two great tunes. I don't think this is fair to RBN, I think it is a > much better album than CN. Even aside from 'Take Me Away' (which I'm sure Right on! RBN is a pretty good album. Take me Away, the underappreciated Feel the Thunder, hillarious Shadow of Calif. a good mixture of humor and killer guitar playing. The album rates as second-level too, becasue Al isn't on it. You can tell that they still had their shit together. Joe was still into it, and the melt-down that was apparent on Club Ninja hadn't happened yet... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 12:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:02:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's mail of Mon, 29 Sep 97 19:05 +0100 Message-ID: On 29 Sep 19:05, J Strobridge wrote: > Sound system wasn't that good, sadly - at least none of the vocals came > across at all and it might have helped (IMO) if they'd done a sound > check before setting up on stage. I do find this worrying. At Blackheath, at least one of the US gigs, and now Whitby, the vocals and to some extent the keyboards were inaudible. What's the point of having them if you can't hear them? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Oct 3 12:08:53 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:08:53 -0600 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > > One other note, I find lots of people lump 'The Revolution by Night' and 'Club > Ninja' together as two rather worthless (by BOC standards) albums with > one or two great tunes. I don't think this is fair to RBN, I think it is a > much better album than CN. Even aside from 'Take Me Away' (which I'm sure > is one of the things referred to by people when they say it has a few great > songs). On CN I always skip certain tunes, but I usually let RBN run through. > I even don't mind 'Let Go' and 'Light Years of Love'. anyways. > > +---------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | RBN is one of my favorite BOC albums, and I always read people slamming it. It is much much better than CN and contains some great tunes. Earlier I recommended Secret Treaties, and several others suggested you should get the first three. However, I feel I must change my recommendation -- Mark, get ALL of the BOC albums! That's right, pull out that Visa and take the plunge! :) Seriously, I've never heard a BOC album I didn't like (including CN). They all have their strong points and one thing I like about BOC is listening to the evolution over time. Whether you like the raw sound of early BOC like 'Cities...' or the synth influenced stuff from Fire of Unknown Origin, etc., you should find something to like in each one. I find that the songs tend to grow on you -- the more I listen, the more I want to hear! Aaron From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 12:31:03 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:31:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:23 +0100 Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > >Calvert also won a poetry award back in ??1980 for one of his poems > >about a trip on the London Underground > > >jill > > Would that be in the london underground potry book which was issued a few > years ago? My borther has a copy. IT included pomes inspried by the > underground. oh - this I don't know but if you do find it has a copy of Calvert's poem could you let me know and I'll see if I can track down a copy for myself. I'm sure I've got a version of the poem somewhere but it would be nice to have this issue as well! ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 3 12:54:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:54:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) Message-ID: > oh - this I don't know but if you do find it has a copy of Calvert's > poem could you let me know and I'll see if I can track down a copy for > myself. I'm sure I've got a version of the poem somewhere but it > would be nice to have this issue as well! > Calvert's award-winning poem was called "Circle Line", but it was nothing to do with the "Poems on the Underground" thing, I don't think. It's in C232. It's pretty good. Very English. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 3 15:04:09 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:04:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > oh - this I don't know but if you do find it has a copy of Calvert's > > poem could you let me know and I'll see if I can track down a copy for > > myself. I'm sure I've got a version of the poem somewhere but it > > would be nice to have this issue as well! > > > > Calvert's award-winning poem was called "Circle Line", but it was nothing to > do with the "Poems on the Underground" thing, I don't think. It's in C232. > It's pretty good. Very English. Heh! you mean the Scots wouldn't be so backward at coming forward 8-) I know what you mean tho' - it's the feeling of embarrassed reticence that runs throughout it! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 3 15:13:16 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:13:16 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Well, one can make arguments for ANY (and ALL, as I do) of BOC's albums. Because some (usually Club Ninja, RBN, and Mirrors - and usually in that order) are recognized by *most* BOC fans as not being of the same caliber as most of BOC's other releases (I said most - lets not start another - "But I *like* Club Ninja thread), I do think it is appropriate that while there are good tunes on them, they are NOT the albums for the new BOC fan to purchase after WOTT. So, my recommendations would be as follows: 1. Buy *Imaginos* - for several reasons. First, NONE of its tunes were on WOTT, so you'll have no overlap. Second, the album is HEAVY. 3rd, the album represents a lot of the lyric/imagery that makes BOC intriguing, once you get beyond the great music. 4th, the album is out of print now, and will probably be very hard to find in the future -- actually, it is very hard to come by now. 1A. Check the writing credits of a lot of the songs you like on WOTT - if many of them have "A. Bouchard" next to them (and of course they probably will), then definitely consider checking out The Brain Surgeons, Al's new band. While they don't sound much like BOC (other than Al's characteristic vocals and drumming), you will probably appreciate this music. Of their 3 albums, *Box of Hammers* (their latest) is definitely a good bet to start with, although I am somewhat partial to *Trepanation* for its overall heavier sound. *Eponymous* (their first album) is also quite good, but a bit more ecclectic than the other two, and was also not done by the complete Brain Surgeons line-up of today. 2. I like the recommendations given regarding BOC's first 3 albums, and I agree -- if you can find the 3-Pak (which has *Blue Oyster Cult*, *Tyranny and Mutation*, and *Secret Treaties* - and usually goes for around $20), that is the best "bang for the buck". As correctly pointed out, however, there is a fair overlap with the songs on *Secret Treaties* and *Blue Oyster Cult* with WOTT, so if you can't find the 3-Pak, *Tyranny and Mutation* is probably your best bet. 2A. At this point, you *might* want to opt for a live album - of course, there will be more song overlap, so you might want to hold off on this one. For someone who has WOTT, I would recommend *ETL* (highlights include "Roadhouse Blues" w/Robbie Krieger, a great live version of "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", and perhaps "Black Blade" + "Dominance and Submission") or *On Your Feet...* (which is much rawer, but has some great stuff, including "Buck's Boogie"). *Some Enchanted Evening* is also very good, but for someone who has WOTT, the main reason to get this would only be for the live versions of "Astronomy" and maybe "R U Ready 2 Rock". 3. At this point, *Cultosaurus...* is perhaps the best bet, and then any (or all) of the albums which featured "The Big 3" - BOC's hits "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" (on *Agents of Fortune*), "Godzilla" (on *Spectres*), and "Burnin' For You" (on *Fire of Unknown Origin*). 4. If you're still buyin BOC albums at this point, then *Mirrors*, *Revolution By Night*, and *Club Ninja* are next, and then you might wish to consider *Cult Classic* too. One final point - no matter where you might be in the above order, if and when *Ezekiel's Wheel* (or whatever it gets titled) is released, that should definitely be your next purchase. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 14:44:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:44:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) In-Reply-To: <01BCD025.827E1680.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCD025.827E1680.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Calvert's award-winning poem was called "Circle Line", but it was nothing to >do with the "Poems on the Underground" thing, I don't think. It's in C232. > It's pretty good. Very English. I dson't know this, where would I find it? ushq -- Jon Browne ob don't feel wellhbcsavkhj; blaergh!! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 14:41:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:41:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: <199710031602.RAA01268@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199710031602.RAA01268 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >I do find this worrying. At Blackheath, at least one of the US gigs, >and now Whitby, the vocals and to some extent the keyboards were inaudible. >What's the point of having them if you can't hear them? > >Dave. Don't worry, we'll sort it out before Shepherd's Bush...Oy, Dave! DAVE! Sort out your vocals!! and come out from behind the bloody keyboards it's *you we're here to see.......... i know you rread this list, don't be coy.. # xfdkljfds -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 14:37:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:37:08 +0100 Subject: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: <01BCCFE4.5AC3B640.deadline@cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: In article <01BCCFE4.5AC3B640.deadline at cyberhighway.net>, Aaron Crandall writes > or the synth influenced stuff from Fire of Unknown Origin, >etc., you should find something to like in each one. I find that the songs >tend to grow on you -- the more I listen, the more I want to hear! > >Aaron what a beautiful sentiment,...jmzc sorry cxatstrphiaclly drunk at the moment -- Jon Browne ObObObbb OB OB!!! OB!!!!!!! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 3 15:51:12 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:51:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) Message-ID: On Friday, October 03, 1997 7:45 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > In article <01BCD025.827E1680.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham > writes > >Calvert's award-winning poem was called "Circle Line", but it was nothing > >to > >do with the "Poems on the Underground" thing, I don't think. It's in C232. > > > > It's pretty good. Very English. > > I dson't know this, where would I find it? Well, I think I got my copy at the Hawklords gig at Hammy Odeon :) Is it on Knut's page? Or do I have to type it in? > ushq > > -- > Jon Browne > ob don't feel wellhbcsavkhj; blaergh!! Not when I'm about to have my tea! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Oct 3 15:46:25 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe Jr.) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:46:25 CDT Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) Message-ID: For that matter, where could one find printed editions of Calvert's poems at all? Allan. ------------ From: jon Sent: Friday, October 03, 1997 1:45 PM To: BOC-L Cc: jon Subject: Re: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) In article <01BCD025.827E1680.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Calvert's award-winning poem was called "Circle Line", but it was nothing to >do with the "Poems on the Underground" thing, I don't think. It's in C232. > It's pretty good. Very English. I dson't know this, where would I find it? ushq -- Jon Browne ob don't feel wellhbcsavkhj; blaergh!! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 3 16:25:09 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:25:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper (Forward) In-Reply-To: <01BCD03E.2D69F600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCD03E.2D69F600.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Well, I think I got my copy at the Hawklords gig at Hammy Odeon :) > >Is it on Knut's page? Or do I have to type it in? > no no no I'll find it then lhgdlhj surely tho' that's just Hammy O quoting "Odeon" is overstating your case. anyway, i was a punk that year so of course I missed that one. didn't rejoin the fold till quark tour.... you're online, so's jill, shouldn't we take this to IRC for once can't type too dreink, sorryyy -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Oct 3 12:03:23 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:03:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: MC 5 words Message-ID: Hey all, Does anyone know where I might find the lyrics to "Motor City's Burning" by the MC 5? (its BOC related only by Kick out the Jams) Thanks (reply privately if you do reply at all) Jas'on From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 3 17:38:25 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:38:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: MC 5 words Message-ID: On Friday, October 03, 1997 5:03 PM, Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU] wrote: > Hey all, > > Does anyone know where I might find the lyrics to "Motor City's Burning" by > the MC 5? (its BOC related only by Kick out the Jams) > Thanks (reply privately if you do reply at all) > Jas'on I'll see if I can buttonhole Wayne Kramer next Wednesday if you like :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Oct 3 22:33:21 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 03:33:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: MC 5 words In-Reply-To: <01BCD04D.3260DFC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 22:38 03/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >On Friday, October 03, 1997 5:03 PM, Bolts of Ungodly Vision >[SMTP:scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU] wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> Does anyone know where I might find the lyrics to "Motor City's Burning" by >> the MC 5? (its BOC related only by Kick out the Jams) ...and the inspiration for Cities On Flame! Christian From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 3 22:23:56 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:23:56 PDT Subject: HW: Select Message-ID: >This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing >Silver Machine. Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? David > ummm.....which version......wringing hands.....maniacal grin..... bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kg at THING.DE Sat Oct 4 00:56:18 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 06:56:18 +0200 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: hi chuck, i guess all questions are answered already - - if you need to know - Calvert's 2nd volume of poetry "The Earth Ritual" was published in 1987 / Harbour Pub. - which was his own 'company' the Hype novel came out in '82 - New English Library etc... all of Calvert's written works are out of print for ages.....unfortunately...but - things MIGHT change. there are plans around... best of luck for this class - would be nice if you could let us know how it went.... (by the way - you can find a great number of Calvert poems on the Calvert site @: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calwords.htm - and all of his lyrics@: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/callyr.htm (callyr2. / 3 / 4) knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 282 bytes Desc: Card for >Stalker< knut gerwers URL: From mpower at FCMC.COM Sat Oct 4 00:57:04 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:57:04 -0400 Subject: Next BOC album Message-ID: OK you guys (and gals)! the three pak it is, thanks to whoever suggested The Brain Surgeons, but I already have those albums. And if I can't find the three pack, then tyranny. and of course, I will probably follow that up by buying most of the rest. And of course, I am going to keep my eyes open for Imaginos, since its heavy and I dig that. Thanks to all who posted! In Space we Trust, Marc. P.S. what are the Moorcock influenced tracks apart from Veteran? -- New! Updated! Strange Daze pics and sound files of Born to Go's SpaceRock. preview...site in progress. "Marc Power of Born to Go...who just might be the English Gene Simmons" - Steve Lindsey at Strange Daze 97 From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Oct 4 01:32:11 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:32:11 -0400 Subject: Next BOC album Message-ID: >P.S. what are the Moorcock influenced tracks apart from Veteran? 'The Great Sun Jester' off Mirrors and 'Black Blade' of Cultosaurus Erectus. Also, I believe he wrote lyrics for something on RBN that eventually wasn't used, but wound up later on Chronicle of the Black Blade (the lyrics, not the music). I'm thinking it was SOATT, but not certain. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Oct 4 02:43:47 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:43:47 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: John A. Swartz writes: > I would recommend *ETL* John, isn't it in the FAQ somewhere that *ETL* sucks? If not, maybe you should consider adding it. ;-) From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 4 06:11:22 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:11:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: <19971004022358.2728.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >>This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing >>Silver Machine. >Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? >David >> >ummm.....which version......wringing hands.....maniacal grin..... Judgung by the picture of the band in the notes in the mag it should be the original single version - but you never can tell I am struggling to remember what else was on it - I just had a quick look at it in my local newsagents it was basically early seventies bands and more recent ones radiohead track of Pablo Honey is the only other I can recall. From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 4 08:18:25 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:18:25 PDT Subject: HW: Select Message-ID: >>>This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing >>>Silver Machine. >>Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? >>David >>> >>ummm.....which version......wringing hands.....maniacal grin..... > >Judgung by the picture of the band in the notes in the mag it should be the original single version - but you never can tell I am struggling to remember what else was on it - I just had a quick look at it in my local newsagents it was basically early seventies bands and more recent ones radiohead track of Pablo Honey is the only other I can recall. > thats funny..."Pablo Honey" is a track off of the 2nd Jerky Boys CD... Damn...what a waste of e-mail space............ bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Oct 4 08:22:00 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:22:00 PDT Subject: HW: Select Message-ID: >>>This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing >>>Silver Machine. >>Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? >>David >>> >>ummm.....which version......wringing hands.....maniacal grin..... > >Judgung by the picture of the band in the notes in the mag it should be the original single version - but you never can tell I am struggling to remember what else was on it - I just had a quick look at it in my local newsagents it was basically early seventies bands and more recent ones radiohead track of Pablo Honey is the only other I can recall. > That's funny....."Pablo Honey" is also the name of a track off of the 2nd Jerky Boys CD.......'strangely bizarre coincidence....or is it the product of some hitherto unknown alien race......tune in....' BL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Oct 4 01:10:11 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:10:11 -0700 Subject: HW: Need Help on Paper Message-ID: Much thanks and a "Mighty chuffed!" to Andy and everyone who supplied info and lyrics! ---------- at GENESISNETWORK.NET] wrote: > > Hey, ya'll. > > > > I have an opportunity to introduce to some people the literary > > contributions of HW, via Calvert and Moorcock, to some people, by way of an > > presentation for my English Lit, Romantics-present class. > > Eng Lit was never like that when I was at school... :) It's a really loose class with a really happy-go-lucky kind of prof, who is letting our "class presentation" be basically whatever the hell we want it to be about, as long as it's English and fits into the time scheme. HW is, of course, modern. :) FoFP didn't seem to agree w/my choice of Warrior. I always liked all the Warrior On The Edge/Warriors/Standing At The Edge variations. Maybe it won't seem as cheesy w/out the auditory accomaniment? Charlie > > > All I need is some basic biog. info. I know this info may be available on > > web pages and all, but at this time it would be muich more convenient for > > me to just know: > > > > exactly where HW began (Notting Hill? And is that a suburb or section of > > London?) > > Notting Hill's in West London, adjoining Portobello and Ladbroke Grove. It's > always been a bit Bohemian, but these days it's perhaps best known for the > Notting Hill Carnival, which supposedly is the biggest event of its kind > outside South America. Brock actually met Turner in Holland, according to > _Rock Family Trees_, but they soon became established in Notting Hill - the > first gig was a 10 minute affair at All Saints Hall in Notting Hill gate. > And they got signed right away!!!! > > > Birth-place and maybe birth-date of Calvert and Moorcock. > > MM: b. 1939, London > RC: b. 1945, Pretoria, South Africa, d. 1988. > > From the C232 back cover: > > "...but moved to England at the age of two. He went to school in London and > Margate [seaside town in Kent - AG], and later studied building technology at > Canterbury Tech. > "Always interested in the literary arts, he began writing and performing > poetry around 1967, and in that year formed a street theatre group in > London's Chalk Farm, "Street Dada Nihilismus". Shortly thereafter he met up > with Britain's premier space-rock band, Hawkwind [etc etc]" > > > Publishing date for Calvert's poetry books. > > Centigrade 232 - 1977 > Earth Ritual - don't know! > > Don't forget his novel _Hype_, 1981. > > Good luck! > > > - Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 4 09:58:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:58:38 +0800 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: Hi all Has anyone heard this album yet, and if so, is there any rare versions of tracks on it, or is the material the standard versions? William From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 4 13:37:01 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:37:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Select - but heading off In-Reply-To: <19971004121825.11229.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >> >I am struggling to remember what else was on it - I just had a quick >look at it in my local newsagents it was basically early seventies bands >and more recent ones radiohead track of Pablo Honey is the only other I >can recall. >> >thats funny..."Pablo Honey" is a track off of the 2nd Jerky Boys CD... >Damn...what a waste of e-mail space............ >bl The Radiohead album is named after this track - for no apparent reason More waste From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Oct 4 17:11:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:11:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Top 20 fan aesthetics Message-ID: 1. "I just buy singles or compilations. I just want the songs I like." 2. "If a song is in the Top 20, it has to be good since so many people like it." 3. "Alternative Rock is just too weird for me." 4. "Old music is just silly and goofy, and old fashioned." 5. "Jazz is stupid and boring." 6. "Who needs radio when we have MTV?" 7. "Hardrock is just noise, but I like the romantic ballads." 8. "The only real country music I like is Garth Brooks." 9. "David Copperfield is a great magician." 10. "I don't like live music." 11. "Phil Collins is better than Peter Gabriel." 12. "I like some techno, but it has to have words and a melody." 13. "I like anything I can dance to really." 14. "We need a Live Aid for the 90's." 15. "My hippy friend likes Pink Floyd." 16. "What happened to David Bowie? He used to be good in the 80's." 17. "I was moved by Elton John writing a song for Lady Diana." 18. "In the music store, if I'm daring, I just ask for any recommandation. I mean, they work there for a reason and should know." |9. "What happened to Level 42?" 20. "I don't know." From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 5 02:37:32 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:37:32 PDT Subject: OFF: Top 20 fan aesthetics Message-ID: Oh....how sad but true......c. mumford is awarded dancing bear car window decals and a steal your face keychain for this entry..... >From: C Mumford >Subject: OFF: Top 20 fan aesthetics >1. "I just buy singles or compilations. I just want the songs I like." >2. "If a song is in the Top 20, it has to be good since so many people like >it." >3. "Alternative Rock is just too weird for me." >4. "Old music is just silly and goofy, and old fashioned." >5. "Jazz is stupid and boring." >6. "Who needs radio when we have MTV?" >7. "Hardrock is just noise, but I like the romantic ballads." >8. "The only real country music I like is Garth Brooks." >9. "David Copperfield is a great magician." >10. "I don't like live music." >11. "Phil Collins is better than Peter Gabriel." >12. "I like some techno, but it has to have words and a melody." >13. "I like anything I can dance to really." >14. "We need a Live Aid for the 90's." >15. "My hippy friend likes Pink Floyd." >16. "What happened to David Bowie? He used to be good in the 80's." >17. "I was moved by Elton John writing a song for Lady Diana." >18. "In the music store, if I'm daring, I just ask for any recommandation. >I mean, they work there for a reason and should know." >|9. "What happened to Level 42?" >20. "I don't know." > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Oct 5 04:40:35 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:40:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Top 20 fan aesthetics Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: > Oh....how sad but true......c. mumford is awarded dancing bear car > window decals and a steal your face keychain for this entry..... > >From: C Mumford > >Subject: OFF: Top 20 fan aesthetics > Christian, you are totally on the spot here-these people are afraid to even experiment. I kinda have a tendancy to feel that we are a bit ahead of these folk, only because we're willing to at least look at something different! I think also that the big money guys are behind all the "sheep" they're attempting to make us into:( Not me!!!)Rock on! Pam > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: Other suggestions: >11. "Phil Collins is better than Peter Gabriel." Or an alternate 11. "You mean Genesis was around in the 70s? They must not have sounded too good or else they'd have had singles like "Invisible Touch" or something. Y'know?" >14. "We need a Live Aid for the 90's."-- However, that might be cool depending on who the artists were. *mind kicks in and hits the panic button* Then again,maybe not. >15. "My hippy friend likes Pink Floyd." Alternate 15. "_The Division Bell_ was too trippy for me. I like something with a beat." >17. "I was moved by Elton John writing a song for Lady Diana." or "I loved "We are the World." Such a great song!" Or "The Spice Girls are sooo talented." or better yet "How could anyone listen to a song that is over 4 minutes? Too long and boring." Jason From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Oct 5 16:00:54 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:00:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:23:56 PDT Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > >This months Select has a free CD attached which includes Hawkwind doing > >Silver Machine. > Is anybody kompletist enough to buy it ? > David > > > ummm.....which version......wringing hands.....maniacal grin..... > bl >From the Stasis compilation. I was curious 8-) jill obsad> I've just got cable and was up till 5am watching all the music video channels...... headache now! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Oct 5 16:15:31 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:15:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Whitby gig In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:41:15 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <199710031602.RAA01268 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry > writes > > > >I do find this worrying. At Blackheath, at least one of the US gigs, > >and now Whitby, the vocals and to some extent the keyboards were inaudible. > >What's the point of having them if you can't hear them? > > > >Dave. > > Don't worry, we'll sort it out before Shepherd's Bush...Oy, Dave! DAVE! > Sort out your vocals!! and come out from behind the bloody keyboards > it's *you we're here to see.......... > > i know you rread this list, don't be coy.. Not at the moment he won't be! Unless he nipped home to Devon for the weekend, he should currently be somewhere between Poole and Hemel Hempstead - if those gigs are still going ahead. Did anyone go? > > > # > > xfdkljfds > -- > Jon Browne And how are you feeling this fine bright sunny morning? 8-) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 4 11:56:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:56:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: <19971004122200.19091.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19971004122200.19091.qmail at hotmail.com>, Bob Lennon writes >> >That's funny....."Pablo Honey" is also the name of a track off of the >2nd Jerky Boys CD.......'strangely bizarre coincidence....or is it the >product of some hitherto unknown alien race......tune in....' >BL Radiohead named their album after the Jerky Boys track. god my head hurts this morning. why are there so many beer bottles by the computor? I can't remember a thing.... -- Jon Browne From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Oct 6 06:27:17 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:27:17 +0100 Subject: HW: recent gigs. Message-ID: Hi Can any one tell me if the beinging insturmental at the hawk gigs is a separtae song to the tune which follows it. And does any one know the titles and also the 1, or is it 2 songs, before Love in space. Have hawkwind issued a tour program? Thanks Timmy Langner From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 6 06:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:45:00 +0100 Subject: HW: recent gigs. In-Reply-To: langner timothy's mail of Mon, 6 Oct 97 11:27 +0100 Message-ID: This is the track listing that Bernhard mailed for the Strange Daze festival: 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attack / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision Which suggests that there is one new song before Love In Space, called Alchemy (assuming the set list hasn't changed). It also suggests that the beginning instrumental is separate from Wheels, but without hearing the album that's harder to confirm. It reads like a pretty good track list, although I admit I would prefer some less-frequently-visited oldies instead of Needle Gun and Ejection. E.g. On Arrival In Utopia, Out Of The Shadows, Down Through The Night, Psychedelic Warlords, Masks Of Morning, Moonglum, Lord Of Light, Reefer Madness -- these could all keep the heavier theme, but add a little variety. But I haven't been to a gig yet -- maybe the actual experience will change my mind! Dave. On 06 Oct 11:27, langner timothy wrote: > Hi > > Can any one tell me if the beinging insturmental at the hawk gigs is a > separate song to the tune which follows it. And does any one know the > titles and also the 1, or is it 2 songs, before Love in space. > > Have hawkwind issued a tour program? > > Thanks > > Timmy Langner -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Oct 6 06:47:06 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:47:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: NY Message-ID: Dear Boclers who read OFF stuff, I am going to New York for a couple of days, and would like recommendations of where to go, and where not to go. I intend to go to the Empire State Building, MoMA, Times Square, and other places. What I would like information on is secondhand record/CD/book shops, new record/CD and bookshops, and comic emporia. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Mike w From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Oct 6 07:11:59 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:11:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: NY In-Reply-To: from "M S Wright" at Oct 6, 97 11:47:06 am Message-ID: >Dear Boclers who read OFF stuff, >I am going to New York for a couple of days, and would like >recommendations of where to go, and where not to go. I intend to go to the >Empire State Building, MoMA, Times Square, and other places. What I would >like information on is secondhand record/CD/book shops, new record/CD and >bookshops, and comic emporia. St. Mark's Place, no question, for used CD's and some comics. 8th St East of Lafayette. N/R to 8th Street, 4/5/6 to Astor Place. For used books, The Strand, whose address escapes me at the moment. JB From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 6 08:13:27 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:13:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Sat, 4 Oct 1997 21:58:38 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > Hi all > > Has anyone heard this album yet, and if so, is there any rare versions of > tracks on it, or is the material the standard versions? I didn't recognise the version of Motorway City on the album. I also noticed that LSD is tacked onto Assassins. There's also what sounds like either Blue Shift or Going to Hawaii at the end of TV Suicide, but maybe that's part of the track anyway? I forget. I'll check the version of MC against the more obscure versions at some point. It's possibly the one from the Stonehenge album or something. It sounds like Danny Thompson's drumming. > William > FoFP From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Mon Oct 6 09:00:39 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:00:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: NY In-Reply-To: <199710061111.HAA19744@panix.com> from "Jeff Berry" at Oct 6, 97 07:11:59 am Message-ID: > > >Dear Boclers who read OFF stuff, > >I am going to New York for a couple of days, and would like > >recommendations of where to go, and where not to go. I intend to go to the > >Empire State Building, MoMA, Times Square, and other places. What I would > >like information on is secondhand record/CD/book shops, new record/CD and > >bookshops, and comic emporia. > > St. Mark's Place, no question, for used CD's and some comics. 8th St > East of Lafayette. N/R to 8th Street, 4/5/6 to Astor Place. > > For used books, The Strand, whose address escapes me at the moment. > > JB > the Strand is at 8th and Broadway if memory serves. --dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 6 09:59:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:59:45 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: >John, isn't it in the FAQ somewhere that *ETL* sucks? If not, maybe you should consider adding it. ;-) Nope, and just 'cuz Bolle doesn't like the way they butchered Rick Downey's drumming on "Cities on Flame" won't make me say that. ;-) Personally, as far a live albums go, "On Your Feet" is my favorite now, but "ETL" was very special for me since I got into BOC around 1980, and frist (uh, first) saw them live in 1982 on the "ETL" tour. In many ways, it's an unnecessary album for many BOC fans (didn't really need new live versions of Cities on Flame, The Red + The Black, The Reaper, Godzilla, Hot Rails to Hell, and ETI), but I enjoy the album - besides, it's nice to have the live "Roadhouse Blues" w/Mr. Krieger, and I think the rendition of "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is most excellent. All of BOC's albums have their redeeming qualities, even *Club Ninja*. Oops, now I'm gonna hear a rash of posts about how people like that album. Hey, I like it too - but obviously most folks don't place it as one of their favorites. The only worthless BOC albums are some of these compilations that come out with absolutely no new material. John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Oct 6 11:23:10 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:23:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: ETL ain't no surf music In-Reply-To: <199710061359.JAA19751@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >Personally, as far a live albums go, "On Your Feet" is my favorite now, but >"ETL" was very special for me since I got into BOC around 1980, and frist >(uh, first) saw them live in 1982 on the "ETL" tour. In many ways, it's >an unnecessary album for many BOC fans (didn't really need new live versions >of Cities on Flame, The Red + The Black, The Reaper, Godzilla, Hot Rails to >Hell, and ETI), but I enjoy the album - besides, it's nice to have the >live "Roadhouse Blues" w/Mr. Krieger, and I think the rendition of "Veteran >of the Psychic Wars" is most excellent. And the classic "holy beep" introduction to Godzilla is unsurpassable, not to mention the live "Black Blade" (a rather "frantic" sound it has too), "Joan Crawford"'s piano closing, and (well deservedto be encapsulated in vinyl-with the Real percussionist to boot) "Dominance and Submission." Its good and it has "the words" more or less to the tunes. The artwork among the best I think out of all the other BOC lps- colorful, and sufficiently non-standard rock fare. >as one of their favorites. The only worthless BOC albums are some of >these compilations that come out with absolutely no new material. Amen to that. Though _Career of Evil:the Metal Years_ has some really whacked out liner notes....also for the FAQ: it does not include "Redeemed" in its rundown of songs on lp 1. Q: how many BOC tours had programmes and what were they like? Interesting aside, I let my Zeppelin loving neighbor borrow OYFoOYK and upon listening he said," Not bad, but too jazzy for me." Nothing quite like the cruising thunder of BOC live and in top form--an uncageable animal indeed. Jason From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Oct 6 14:27:39 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:27:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:56 04/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >god my head hurts this morning. why are there so many beer bottles by >the computor? I can't remember a thing.... >-- >Jon Browne Hey! Get a life willya!! :) Do like me and install an alco-test blower to your ZX97-FRAG port, which will mercilessly crash your harddrive if you had more than 4 sixpacks. Instead go outside and do something educational like getting arrested! (BTW the blower doesen't detect the all the straight cocaine I shoot up my eyeballs) clweab ans ober, Christian From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Oct 6 12:50:45 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe Jr.) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:50:45 CDT Subject: off/other: PTree's Coma Divine Message-ID: Hi all, I'm catching up on some older messages here: >On the Porcupine Tree list two mildly startling statements were made. >Statement #1: >The new Porcupine Tree live release called "Coma Divine" is to be released >in the UK on October 20. This is a single CD, recorded during the recent >3-day stint in Italy. You gotta get this! (well, not that startling) Cool! Is the cd a complete show, or just a standard live album culled from various bits and pieces of the tour? >Statement #2: >Cranium Records from New Zealand claims to have just received their >batch of these CDs, and is currently offering IN STOCK copies of "Coma >Divine" on CD. Contact: Cranium Music, http://www.cranium.co.nz >The price is listed at US$18 each, plus US$4.50 postage to USA. That's probably as cheap as getting it from the UK, too.... And then Jill Douglas commented: >> Anyways, seems like it'd be quite a coup to get the new >> PTree CD in my hands a couple of weeks before the UKers even see it... > >Yes speaking as a UKer who has this album, due to my photo of Barbieri >which appears on it, you all need this album, it is even better than >Signify. Superbly recorded with an excellent choice of tracks. What's on it? Better than Signify?? Is that possible? :-) And just what's the scoop on this "Sever Tomorrow" thing? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Oct 6 15:31:07 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:31:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: <199710061213.NAA25444@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > I didn't recognise the version of Motorway City on the album. I didn't recognise the version of Psychedelic Warlords, but that could just be my faulty memory. Also the 3rd track on 1st disc is PXR5 rather than High Rise. I reckon. Mike w From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Oct 6 16:45:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:45:53 -0700 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: The recommendation debate rages on..... >1. Buy *Imaginos* - for several reasons. .......4th, the album is out of print now, and will probably be very hard to find in the future -- actually, it is >very hard to come by now. Imaginos will be hard to find, have never seen it in a used shop. Still I would not start with Imaginos after WoTT. I still think your better off going in order, even though a lot of the big three are contained on WoTT, you need to listen to them in the order placed on the albums for a real good feel. >2A. At this point, you *might* want to opt for a live album - of course,..... .....*Some Enchanted >Evening* is also very good, but for someone who has WOTT, the main reason to get this would only be for the live versions of "Astronomy" and maybe "R U Ready 2 Rock". Again timing is everything and the first live album should be Feet Knees. I 've made no secret of my love for this one and personally, just personally it absolutely slays ETL which sounds rather drab even with its better audio quality. Feet is the raw power of young rock and roll lions with a sound no one could duplicate. Again I'm back into doing them in order is the best bet. One comment the version of Reaper on this one smokes, IMHO much better than ETL. The rest of SEE seemed rather pointless to me, RU Ready 2 Rock in particular. >3. At this point, *Cultosaurus...* is perhaps the best bet, and then any >(or all) of the albums which featured "The Big 3" - BOC's hits "(Don't >Fear) The Reaper" (on *Agents of Fortune*), "Godzilla" (on *Spectres*), >and "Burnin' For You" (on *Fire of Unknown Origin*). While no one would argue with CE as one of the best you should do AOF and Specters before you reach this point. These two represent some different directions for the band, in a way the last time they were heading in a consistent direction. Great songs but very little resemblance to the bands early sounds. When you listen to Mirrors and then CE you see what I mean about going in a consistent direction. >4. If you're still buyin BOC albums at this point, then *Mirrors*, >*Revolution By Night*, and *Club Ninja* are next, and then you might >wish to consider *Cult Classic* too. Ninja and RBN take heat be it because of outside writers or lack of consistent direction or whatever they still have fine songs on them. Arrange these songs in different order or even place some standard clunkers in strategic places on other albums and neither of them is bad at all. Once you've done all of these then you should be ready for Imaginos. Good luck in finding any of them though, they have suddenly become very scarce. Just two more pieces of copper as I think this is a kewl thread after things went BOC quiet for a while. L8er lil ab From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 6 17:58:32 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:58:32 PDT Subject: HW: Select Message-ID: >In article <19971004122200.19091.qmail at hotmail.com>, Bob Lennon > writes >That's funny....."Pablo Honey" is also the name of a track off of the >>2nd Jerky Boys CD.......'strangely bizarre coincidence....or is it the >>product of some hitherto unknown alien race......tune in....' >>BL > >Radiohead named their album after the Jerky Boys track. >god my head hurts this morning. why are there so many beer bottles by the computor? I can't remember a thing.... >Jon Browne thanks there jerky......this is the super across the way :-) bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Oct 6 18:30:23 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:30:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:56 04/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >In article <19971004122200.19091.qmail at hotmail.com>, Bob Lennon > writes >>> >>That's funny....."Pablo Honey" is also the name of a track off of the >>2nd Jerky Boys CD.......'strangely bizarre coincidence....or is it the >>product of some hitherto unknown alien race......tune in....' >>BL > > >Radiohead named their album after the Jerky Boys track. > >god my head hurts this morning. why are there so many beer bottles by >the computor? I can't remember a thing.... >-- >Jon Browne Not surprizing considering the (entertaining) gibberish you were spouting. ChrisW P.S. I can't make it ove to your place until Saturday week - banjaxed by the curse of kid patrol again.....Just hold the comic for me (OK?!) *** desdinova at earthling.net *** ICQ 2453162 *** Fenugreek.firefly "Live dangerously! Or not at all." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Oct 6 18:38:48 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:38:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: ETL ain't no surf music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jason wrote: > Though _Career of Evil:the Metal Years_ has some really >whacked out liner notes.... I bought it on cassette - great stuff for the times when I was spending three & a half to four hours a day in the car!!! >Interesting aside, I let my Zeppelin loving neighbor borrow OYFoOYK and >upon listening he said," Not bad, but too jazzy for me." ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ChrisW *** desdinova at earthling.net *** ICQ 2453162 *** Fenugreek.firefly "Live dangerously! Or not at all." From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Oct 6 19:36:29 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:36:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: Ambient Anarchists: what is it? Is this a recent bootleg cdr or something? I don't know what everyone's talking about! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Oct 6 22:25:33 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:25:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Next BOC/SFG album Message-ID: But if the sound of the first LP really catches your mind's ear, the Stalk-Forrest Group recordings are pretty darn cool--they capture the jangly, menacing country feel of Redeemed and IOtL...S. That and Dharma's guitar has some tasty firebreathing going down (What is Quicksand? and Gil Blanco County take the cake, though you can't fault Bonomo's Trukish Taffy for the way cool SPanish(?) middle section and rockin' groove riff). Viva Zapata, Jason, fugitive from set theory and logic. From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Oct 6 22:36:23 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:36:23 -0400 Subject: HW:Distant Horizons Message-ID: On www.hawkwind.com it mentions the release date of the new album as being TODAY! Does anybody know when it will be available? Thanks Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 178 bytes Desc: Card for Chris Raymond URL: From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Oct 7 00:58:02 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:58:02 +1000 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 10:08 AM 3/10/97 -0600, Aaron Crandall wrote: >> >RBN is one of my favorite BOC albums, and I always read people slamming it. > It is much much better than CN and contains some great tunes. Earlier I >recommended Secret Treaties, and several others suggested you should get >the first three. However, I feel I must change my recommendation -- Mark, >get ALL of the BOC albums! That's right, pull out that Visa and take the >plunge! :) >Seriously, I've never heard a BOC album I didn't like (including CN). They >all have their strong points and one thing I like about BOC is listening to >the evolution over time. Whether you like the raw sound of early BOC like >'Cities...' or the synth influenced stuff from Fire of Unknown Origin, >etc., you should find something to like in each one. I find that the songs >tend to grow on you -- the more I listen, the more I want to hear! > >Aaron A-MEN ! I agree, BUY THEM ALL! This sentiment from Aaron is indicative of a true BOC fan. You rule Dude! I like Club Ninja, Mirrors, and Revolution by Night. They all rock, and all have some choice morsels of BOC brilliance. Just because the more vocal fans on the list don't think much of them is not a true indicator of the fans as a whole. At our annual BOC nights here in Australia, we play all the albums chronologically, and like it that way! Long Live "Eyes on Fire", and "White Flags"! Troy (Just returning from "Black Stump" music fest) > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Oct 7 00:50:09 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:50:09 -0500 Subject: HW new one Message-ID: I believe the new album is supposed to be out, right? I just checked cdnow, they don't have it. Not that I'd want to buy it there, but if they don't have it I kinda doubt my local shops would have it. On friday when I get paid I want to buy it, anybody know if it's US release date is the same as the UK. Question, what do the remasters cost in the UK(like HOTMG)in US terms if possible? CDnow wants $34.00 for HOTMG, I'm just curious if its this spendy everywhere. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Oct 7 05:34:28 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:34:28 -0000 Subject: HW:Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: <3439A027.73FB1166@tiac.net> Message-ID: On 07-Oct-97, Chris Raymond wrote: >On www.hawkwind.com it mentions the release date of the new album as >being TODAY! Does anybody know when it will be available? Thanks >Chris If that's true, it's obviously another case of excellent advertising, and cunning media manipulation! Scarcastic Si -- 'I live in a big dark house, and nobody's here but me and my mouse' http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 7 04:51:25 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:51:25 +0100 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > Just because the more vocal fans on the list don't think much of them is > not a true indicator of the fans as a whole. At our annual BOC nights here > in Australia, we play all the albums chronologically, and like it that way! Yeah, but that's because you're completely pissed by the time you get to ETL :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 7 04:51:06 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:51:06 +0100 Subject: HW new one Message-ID: > I believe the new album is supposed to be out, right? > I had a look in the stores here in London yesterday - didn't see it. Didn't really expect to, I must say! *Some* EBS releases have come out when they're meant to... :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 7 05:38:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:38:00 +0100 Subject: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Tue, 7 Oct 97 09:51 +0100 Message-ID: As a non-BOC person, the track list on ETL looked pretty good. Why don't people like it? Are they relatively poor performances, or crap sound? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 7 05:48:16 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:48:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > I didn't recognise the version of Motorway City on the album. I just found it - it's the version from Undisclosed Files. > I didn't recognise the version of Psychedelic Warlords, but that could > just be my faulty memory. I thought that was the Silver Machine 10th Anniversary single? > > Also the 3rd track on 1st disc is PXR5 rather than High Rise. I do remember hearing PXR5 so this is possible. I guess we should check 'em all for the codex. Any comments appreciated. To kick it off. The 1st track, Urban Guerilla, is definately the 1979 Shot Down b-side. > Mike w FoFP P.S: Did anyone actually find this alleged "Silver Machine" compilation on Legend which had "In the Egg" etc on it? If so, we could use a tracklist for the discography and codex. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Oct 7 07:48:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:48:01 +0200 Subject: HW new one Message-ID: >I had a look in the stores here in London yesterday - didn't see it. Didn't >really expect to, I must say! *Some* EBS releases have come out when they're >meant to... :) > >- Andy Maybe we can ask Jon Browne, next time he's drunk, to send StarRats a mail to find out... :-) :-) mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Oct 7 08:56:54 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:56:54 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > As a non-BOC person, the track list on ETL looked pretty good. Why don't > people like it? Are they relatively poor performances, or crap sound? This was the first BOC live album I bought (because of the cover art). It's like watching a movie based on a book without reading the book first. You love the movie, but when you finally do read the book, you find that the screenplay pales in comparison. The sound is clean (though not as clean as SEE), but it lacks the energy, and little mistakes, that make On Your Feet so much more powerful. When I bought OYF about a month or two later, I began to think that maybe ETL wasn't the end-all of live albums. ETL is worth having for its live versions of "Joan Crawford", "Roadhouse Blues", and "Dominance & Submission". I like this version of "JC" almost better than the one on FoUO. > Brian ----------------------------------------------------- Brian Halligan Copywriter Intern Buck & Pulleyn brianh at pulleyn.com An idle mind is the playground of the person within whose head rests the mind. ----------------------------------------------------- > Dave. > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 472 4782 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Look, I own and listen to ALL of BOC's albums - and I don't think this makes me any more of a "true BOC fan" than someone who doesn't - but this thread started because someone wanted to know what album they should buy after hearing the WOTT compilation. Look, if this person was going to just buy all of BOC's albums, this thread would be rather pointless, wouldn't it? And frankly, I think that what has been said about the various albums in the past IS a pretty good indicator of what fans as a whole think of them. If you poll a large number of BOC fans, you will see that as a whole, they rank Mirrors, RBN, and Club Ninja near the bottom of their favorite BOC albums -- that doesn't necessarily mean that these albums are worthless, but that most fans agree that BOC has other albums which are better. Hell, most of the band will tell you that they aren't too fond of certain records. Joe Bouchard left the band in part because of BOC's musical direction with Club Ninja, as did Allen Lanier (for awhile anyway). Albert Bouchard has referred to "You're Not The One I Was Looking For" as referring to Tom Werman (Mirrors producer), and it is clear that the heaviness (and production by Martin Birch) of Cultosaurus was a direct reaction to Mirrors (Bolle can attest that most of the BOC fanclub quit after Mirrors was released). Look, I like Club Ninja - I have all 3 versions of it (there were 3 different releases, each with a slightly different mix), and I play it quite often. BUT - if someone wants to get a good feel for BOC's sound, it it not going to be the album I recommend to them. It's not going to be the second, third, or fourth album I recommend. Does that mean they shouldn't hear it? No - but it means that there is much more that they will probably be interested in first. Sorry to vent, and no offense toward Troy or anyone else is intended. I think all of BOC's stuff has merit (and when I wrote the FAQ, I stated that you should get all of their albums), but when *choices* have to be made, it is a completely valid point that certain albums come more highly-recommended than others. We BOC fans should feel lucky that we've got such great albums to choose from in the first place. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 7 09:28:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:28:38 EDT Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > As a non-BOC person, the track list on ETL looked pretty good. > Why don't > > people like it? Are they relatively poor performances, or > crap sound? > There are some good performances: Excellent renditions of DFtR [though not any better than the one on SEE], Roadhouse is cool, and, DaS finally recorded live, and with Al on Drums no less. A lot of it is just plain unnecessary, as John pointed out. I suspect that what turns people off [certainly true in my case] is that it's the first record without Al. Rick's a competent drummer, but to fill Al's shoes, a drummer has to be amazing... > This was the first BOC live album I bought (because of the cover > art). > It's like watching a movie based on a book without reading the > book > first. You love the movie, but when you finally do read the > book, you > find that the screenplay pales in comparison. > I agree. It's a great jacket, and when I bought it, I was really psyched to be blown away, but it didn't happen. I had seen the band before the record came out, so I knew Al was gone, but I'd hoped the album would have been old material featuring Al... > The sound is clean (though not as clean as SEE), but it lacks > the > energy, and little mistakes, that make On Your Feet so much more > powerful. When I bought OYF about a month or two later, I began > to > think that maybe ETL wasn't the end-all of live albums. > OYF is Al's fave BOC album. I wasn't wild about it until recently. I always thought it was kind of ragged. And, coming after the first 3 albums which were so brilliantly produced, a live record just isn't going to have the same feel. Though I was always blown away by the live experience. Last couple of years, though, it's a record I play all the time. Al really shines in a live situation. Plus, it reminds me of how great EB used to be as a frontman. Actually, Buck's playing has gotten much better since this album, but his work on OYF still stands tall. Allen's keyboard work was much more dominant back then--sounds kind of watered-down lately...Joe? Well he's always been rock-solid and consistent, both singing and playing... > ETL is worth having for its live versions of "Joan Crawford", > "Roadhouse > Blues", and "Dominance & Submission". I like this version of > "JC" > almost better than the one on FoUO. > > > Brian Agreed! > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brian Halligan > Copywriter Intern > Buck & Pulleyn > brianh at pulleyn.com > > An idle mind is the playground of the person > within whose head rests the mind. > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Dave. > > -- > > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > > Tel: +44 131 472 4782 > > theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 7 09:30:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:30:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: <199710062336.SAA24108@wcic.org> Message-ID: In article <199710062336.SAA24108 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes >Ambient Anarchists: what is it? Is this a recent bootleg cdr or something? >I don't know what everyone's talking about! >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org It's a new 2 x CD HW compilation, very reasonable UKP 9.99, with a good range of better quality tracks, and no Douglas In The Jungle. It's a good choice of sampler to introduce the band to new listeners, but unless you're a completist I don't believe there's anything new on it. -- Jon Browne ObCD - Skip Spence - Oar From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 7 05:19:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:19:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Select In-Reply-To: <19971006215832.14164.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19971006215832.14164.qmail at hotmail.com>, Bob Lennon writes > >thanks there jerky......this is the super across the way :-) >bl > Hi super, this is Tarbush, The Egyptian Magician! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 7 09:38:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:38:22 +0100 Subject: HW new one In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971007114801.0091f944@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In article <1.5.4.32.19971007114801.0091f944 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes >Maybe we can ask Jon Browne, next time he's drunk, to send StarRats a mail >to find out... :-) :-) I'll do it sober, but really, what's the point? As far as he knows, it was released on Monday, otherwise his site would not have that info posted. -- Jon Browne ObCD - KAK From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 7 10:22:50 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:22:50 EDT Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Do we HAVE to defend everything because someone speaks negatively about > it? Look, I own and listen to ALL of BOC's albums - and I don't think > this makes me any more of a "true BOC fan" than someone who doesn't - > but this thread started because someone wanted to know what album they > should buy after hearing the WOTT compilation. Look, if this person was > going to just buy all of BOC's albums, this thread would be rather pointless, > wouldn't it? And frankly, I think that what has been said about the > various albums in the past IS a pretty good indicator of what fans as > a whole think of them. If you poll a large number of BOC fans, you will > see that as a whole, they rank Mirrors, RBN, and Club Ninja near the bottom > of their favorite BOC albums -- that doesn't necessarily mean that these > albums are worthless, but that most fans agree that BOC has other albums > which are better. Hell, most of the band will tell you that they aren't Right! I may put down the albums you mentioned, but only in terms of RELATIVE merit. Even a shitty BOC song is better than most any band's best material. We know what greatness BOC is capable of, so when some material falls short of our expectations, we can't help but react... > too fond of certain records. Joe Bouchard left the band in part because > of BOC's musical direction with Club Ninja, as did Allen Lanier (for > awhile anyway). Albert Bouchard has referred to "You're Not The One I > Was Looking For" as referring to Tom Werman (Mirrors producer), and it > is clear that the heaviness (and production by Martin Birch) of Cultosaurus > was a direct reaction to Mirrors (Bolle can attest that most of the BOC > fanclub quit after Mirrors was released). > No kidding? Wow! I remember being bitterly disappointed when Mirrors came out, but I was lucky enough to see BOC live in support of the album, and they rocked. So I figured Mirrors was just a blip on the screen... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Oct 7 10:27:57 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:27:57 +0200 Subject: HW:Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: <3439A027.73FB1166@tiac.net> Message-ID: Hi folks >On www.hawkwind.com it mentions the release date of the new album >as being TODAY! Does anybody know when it will be available? Thanks A VERY GOOD INFORMED friend told me today that the new CD is delayed. It will be released in 2 weeks :-(((((((( Bernhard From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Oct 7 10:38:46 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:38:46 +0200 Subject: HW:Distant Horizons Message-ID: Bernhard: >A VERY GOOD INFORMED friend told me today that the new CD is delayed. It >will be released in 2 weeks :-(((((((( Hmmm, that's not much... I mean, the Oyster CD are delayed eight _years_ or something... -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Oct 7 12:30:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: <199710070948.KAA03640@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 10:48 07/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >To kick it off. The 1st >track, Urban Guerilla, is definately the 1979 Shot Down b-side. >FoFP Is this the "usual" live/Anthology version or the studio rerecording which AFAIK is only availible on vinyl? Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Oct 7 12:02:30 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:02:30 +1000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi all, This has been in the corner of my mind for the past few weeks, and I thought, seeing as I've got lots of uni writing to do, that I would purge it from the dark recesses of my mind now. What's the deal with Church of Hawkwind? I know it was origionaly `ol Brockey's solo album, but then he got the others in on it. Why? How did this come about? It gets strange here. The copyright is 75, and Bainbridge & HughLL are listed as composing some of the songs - how? More astounding is how Chadwick and Dayey are on it. My only thoughts are that Brock recorded the demos in 75 and then the others got them out of the vaults and added backing etc.... Or is this just a strange time warp thingie? - Max Wilcox From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Oct 7 12:15:32 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:15:32 +0800 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Hi there > This has been in the corner of my mind for the past few weeks, >and I thought, seeing as I've got lots of uni writing to do, that I would >purge it from the dark recesses of my mind now. > What's the deal with Church of Hawkwind? I know it was >origionaly `ol Brockey's solo album, but then he got the others in on it. >Why? How did this come about? > It gets strange here. The copyright is 75, and Bainbridge & >HughLL are listed as composing some of the songs - how? More astounding is >how Chadwick and Dayey are on it. > My only thoughts are that Brock recorded the demos in 75 and >then the others got them out of the vaults and added backing etc.... > Or is this just a strange time warp thingie? > I'm not sure about the copyright date on it (maybe a misprint), as mine does not have this anywhere, but some of the material on the CD version was recorded at a different time to the album. The Chadwick/Davey track should really be on "It Is The Business..." The album should chronologically sit between "Sonic Attack" & "Choose Your Masques". William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 7 12:23:11 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:23:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: C Mumford's message of Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:30:13 +0100 Message-ID: C Mumford writes: > At 10:48 07/10/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >To kick it off. The 1st > >track, Urban Guerilla, is definately the 1979 Shot Down b-side. > >FoFP > > Is this the "usual" live/Anthology version or the studio rerecording which > AFAIK is only availible on vinyl? It's either 4 or 4a in the following: Urban Guerilla L 1 Live '70/'73 L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 2 Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution 7" 2 Urban Guerilla/Urban Guerilla US 7" 2 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" 2 Roadhawks 2 Stasis 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 4 a Shot Down In The Night / Urban Guerilla 7" L 4 b Live - St Albans 1979 L 5 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 5 The A Files [Bootleg CD] * 4a is an edited version of 4 (cut at the end) 4b is a poorer mix of 4 > > Christian > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 7 12:36:36 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:36:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: > What's the deal with Church of Hawkwind? I know it was > origionaly `ol Brockey's solo album, but then he got the others in on it. > Why? How did this come about? I'm guessing here, but I always assumed it was a contractual obligation thing - RCA wanted a Hawkwind album, so Dave gave 'em one. (Naturally it was better than the "real" albums around then! :) > It gets strange here. The copyright is 75, and Bainbridge & > HughLL are listed as composing some of the songs - how? More astounding is > how Chadwick and Dayey are on it. It actually came out in '82, so I dunno about the "75". The Davey/Chadwick cuts are only on the (much later) CD, anyway. > My only thoughts are that Brock recorded the demos in 75 and > then the others got them out of the vaults and added backing etc.... Quite possible! Some of those tracks had been around a while - a couple surfaced originally on Weird 101, a few years before. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Oct 7 12:43:58 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:43:58 +1000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, 8 October 1997 02:21 Subject: Re: HW: Church of Hawkwind >Hi there > >> This has been in the corner of my mind for the past few weeks, >>and I thought, seeing as I've got lots of uni writing to do, that I would >>purge it from the dark recesses of my mind now. >> What's the deal with Church of Hawkwind? I know it was >>origionaly `ol Brockey's solo album, but then he got the others in on it. >>Why? How did this come about? >> It gets strange here. The copyright is 75, and Bainbridge & >>HughLL are listed as composing some of the songs - how? More astounding is >>how Chadwick and Dayey are on it. >> My only thoughts are that Brock recorded the demos in 75 and >>then the others got them out of the vaults and added backing etc.... >> Or is this just a strange time warp thingie? >> >I'm not sure about the copyright date on it (maybe a misprint), as mine does >not have this anywhere, but some of the material on the CD version was >recorded at a different time to the album. The Chadwick/Davey track should >really be on "It Is The Business..." Well, this CD was purchased in the UK a couple of weeks ago (not by me, sadly), and has the copyright dates - 1975 Hawkdisks/1994 Dojo Limited. I thought it was a bit funny myself.... >The album should chronologically sit between "Sonic Attack" & "Choose Your >Masques". Does anyone have the original lp version? What does that say? - Max Wilcox From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Oct 7 12:58:26 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:58:26 +0800 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: >>I'm not sure about the copyright date on it (maybe a misprint), as mine >does >>not have this anywhere, but some of the material on the CD version was >>recorded at a different time to the album. The Chadwick/Davey track should >>really be on "It Is The Business..." > > > Well, this CD was purchased in the UK a couple of weeks ago (not >by me, sadly), and has the copyright dates - 1975 Hawkdisks/1994 Dojo >Limited. I thought it was a bit funny myself.... > My CD is the Griffin one. >>The album should chronologically sit between "Sonic Attack" & "Choose Your >>Masques". > > Does anyone have the original lp version? What does that say? > I used to have the LP, but cannot recall it saying something like that. It would have stuck in my mind otherwise. I still have the original booklet though, and there is no references to 1975. The only copyright date it gives is 1982. Maybe it has something to do with when one of the songs was written? William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 7 13:47:28 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:47:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:02:30 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Hi all, > > This has been in the corner of my mind for the past few weeks, > and I thought, seeing as I've got lots of uni writing to do, that I would > purge it from the dark recesses of my mind now. > What's the deal with Church of Hawkwind? I know it was > origionaly `ol Brockey's solo album, but then he got the others in on it. > Why? How did this come about? Depends on whether you are looking at the CD or the album. The original vinyl album was done for RCA because the studio insisted on an album unfortunately someone (I forget who now) went down with measles or chicken pox or mumps or something which left Harvey to play keyboards and synths which he had always wanted to do and allowed Brock to make the synth based album he had been wanting to do. Thus was Church of Hawkwind made. > It gets strange here. The copyright is 75, and Bainbridge & > HughLL are listed as composing some of the songs - how? More astounding is > how Chadwick and Dayey are on it. It languished on vinyl only for years because of contractual and payment problems (maybe RCA were not happy??? I'm not sure> but Griffin (all hail Rob Godwin> managed to get it issued and remixed onto CD because it was reckoned that this was, in effect, a personal Brock album rather than a Hawkwind one. This gave the opportunity of adding extra tracks to the album so the tracklist on the CD is quite different to that on the Vinyl album. I think that is right but (as always) E&OE and I apologise 'umbly if I've got anything wrong!! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Oct 7 07:38:55 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:38:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: Martin Murray, telescopes and other things that scream in the night Message-ID: >From Pandora's box, a horde of questions: During the CE and FoOU years, did Birch ever get interviewed about the two discs by music mags? It would be interesting to hear his perspective on BOC's musicality after working for Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac, etc. Q: Who produced the SFG sessions? Did he/she ever do anything else? Another Q: We all know fairly well the extent of Sandy P's role in BOC, but how did Murry Krugman fit into the whole BOScheme(nice wordplay, eh?)? What was disastrous aspect of the pre-BOC gig at the Fillmore? (I don't remember which incarnation of the group it happened in, but I know that it's in the Mighty FAQ--take the quiz, it's good for you) How well did WotT sell? Also, what BOC tunes have never been played live by BOC/3OC? Is it any wonder that my mind's on fire, Jason PS: And yes, the guy really did say "BOC was too jazzy." Think about it though, BOC was Heavy for the period; but it didn't plod around the beats nor shackeld itself to keeping with them(7Sdb for example),....it weaved and ducked and darted with unceasing activity (the busyness of Subhuman live really wowed him at first) around the metronome's incessant call. This non-bluesness was commented on before on the list, by whom I dont recall. (stop rhyming now, thank you) That's what made its brand of guitar fire and drumming brimstone so amazing...after all with the lyrics-which-pertained-to-nothing-of-this-earth that the members worked with, I doubt Led Zeppish rock structures would really fit anyhow. And the post script's all though, jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 7 19:55:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:55:58 EDT Subject: BOC: Martin Murray, telescopes and other thing Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > Also, what BOC tunes have never been played live by BOC/3OC? > Well, I can't say 'never' about the songs I'll toss out, but I've seen a lot of BOC shows, from a lot of tours, going back to the early 70s. These are songs I'VE never seen live: Transmaniacon I'm on the Lam Screams She's as beautiful Workshop [though it's on the EP] Redeemed Baby Ice Dog Wings Wetted Quicklime Cagey Cretins? Can't remember... Morning final Most of Spectres exc. Godzilla, Golden Age, R.U. Most of Mirrors exc. Vigil, but memories hazy here--trying to block it out. They definitely did a few tunes from Mirrors on that tour, maybe 2-3 max... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Oct 7 21:24:02 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:24:02 -0600 Subject: Il Grande Rock CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-L & John Schwartz.... Here is the info regarding the Italian compilation CD, Il Grande Rock, which was issued in 1991. Hope this of help to John, and to all others interested.... BLUE OYSTER CULT; IL GRANDE ROCK Columbia/Sony Special Products, 1991, CDDEA 2252 (Italia, SPA), Manufactured in Germany, but released in Italy as part of a series of compilation cds. Track listing; Summer of Love from AOF Red & The Black from T&M Godzilla from Spectres The Reaper from AOF ETI from AOF Joan Crawford (Live) from ETL R U Ready to Rock from Spectres Astronomy from ST Subhuman from ST Blue Oyster Cult from Imaginos NOTE: These are the actual sources for the cd. Infact, I double checked with Morning Final #7 as a reference. Joan Crawford is the only actual "live" track on the disc. MY 2 Centavos; I sometimes wonder who is in charge of putting together all of these compilation and greatest hits cds. It's certainly not individuals who are actual fans of the band, in this case BOC. Who does these jobs? Do record exs just give an assignment to some young employee and is made to research the band info for the disc? The only compilation that comes close to anything accurate is WOTT. Any comments, questions, or disagreements? It would be nice to hear other list member's points of view. God bless......Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Oct 7 22:26:36 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:26:36 +1000 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 09:24 AM 7/10/97 -0400, John A Swartz wrote: >Troy writes: > >Sorry to vent, and no offense toward Troy or anyone else is intended. I >think all of BOC's stuff has merit (and when I wrote the FAQ, I stated >that you should get all of their albums), but when *choices* have to be >made, it is a completely valid point that certain albums come more >highly-recommended than others. We BOC fans should feel lucky that >we've got such great albums to choose from in the first place. > >John > OH John!!!! I am sorry I did not put smiley faces . You Rule, too!!! I did not mean that all on this list were not True BOC nuts. I just loved the sentiments of Aaron as totally hard-core. They reminded me of the 80's, that's all. How come no-one has mentioned any reference to AoF or Spectres? I bought Spectres as my first BOC studio album and never looked back. I suppose it was cool for it's time. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Oct 7 22:59:22 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:59:22 +1000 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 09:28 AM 7/10/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >> From: brian halligan >> > As a non-BOC person, the track list on ETL looked pretty good. >> Why don't >> > people like it? Are they relatively poor performances, or >> crap sound? >> >There are some good performances: Excellent renditions of DFtR >[though not any better than the one on SEE], Roadhouse is cool, and, >DaS finally recorded live, and with Al on Drums no less. A lot of it >is just plain unnecessary, as John pointed out. I suspect that what >turns people off [certainly true in my case] is that it's the first >record without Al. Rick's a competent drummer, but to fill Al's >shoes, a drummer has to be amazing... Well, besides, it was in the days of heavy metal! It is loud, and messy. Typical 80's metal live album. Just like the Sabs "live Evil", recorded around the same time. I think Rick D sounded great on RBN. >I agree. It's a great jacket, and when I bought it, I was really >psyched to be blown away, but it didn't happen. I had seen the band >before the record came out, so I knew Al was gone, but I'd hoped the >album would have been old material featuring Al... Yeah, a little dissapointing- at first. But the drums don't sound all that clean on that ( Al) track DaS. Not too bad on BB, which rules the album. As far as live HM albums from that era go, it is still my favorite by far. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Oct 7 22:59:27 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:59:27 +1000 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 10:22 AM 7/10/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > >Right! I may put down the albums you mentioned, but only in terms of >RELATIVE merit. Even a shitty BOC song is better than most any >band's best material. We know what greatness BOC is capable of, so >when some material falls short of our expectations, we can't help but >react... > ....and... >No kidding? Wow! I remember being bitterly disappointed when >Mirrors came out, but I was lucky enough to see BOC live in support >of the album, and they rocked. So I figured Mirrors was just a blip >on the screen... > Yeah! Now there's a good point! Relativity. I remember when Mirrors came out here in Aust. We all went and bought it. Sure, it was not metal, but the heavy tracks were awesome and the pop tunes were the best available anywhere. All you had otherwise was Styx and Cheap Trick who never were big over here. The way the fans saw it here was BOC trying something new, with the usual exemplary playing from all on deck. It was well received. We wish we were lucky enough to see them live in support of any album. I remember that BOC was known amongst those who were not fans as "the band who had a singer who looked like Jeff Lynne". How sad. Troy > > > >theo > >*************************************** > >"It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." > >--V. Vega > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Oct 7 23:21:14 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:21:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Martin Murray, telescopes and other thing Message-ID: >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision >70s. These are songs I'VE never seen live: >Most of Mirrors exc. Vigil, but memories hazy here--trying to block >it out. They definitely did a few tunes from Mirrors on that tour, >maybe 2-3 max... They've been doing 'In Thee' a lot over the past couple years... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 8 00:07:15 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:07:15 PDT Subject: HW: Select ....hey tough guy Message-ID: Bob Lennon > writes >>thanks there jerky......this is the super across the way :-) >>bl >> >Hi super, this is Tarbush, The Egyptian Magician! >>Jon Browne > this is sol rosenberg....my eyes is driving me crazy...i'll come down there,,,..and bring all my shoes.... bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Oct 8 00:05:19 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:05:19 -0600 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Thanks man... :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1694 bytes Desc: not available URL: From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Oct 8 00:03:59 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:03:59 -0600 Subject: Il Grande Rock CD Message-ID: Manuel wrote: < I sometimes wonder who is in charge of putting together all of these compilation and greatest hits cds. It's certainly not individuals who are actual fans of the band, in this case BOC. Who does these jobs? Do record exs just give an assignment to some young employee and is made to research the band info for the disc? The only compilation that comes close to anything accurate is WOTT. Any comments, questions, or disagreements? It would be nice to hear other list member's points of view.> I've always found it interesting which songs wind up on BOC's compilations, and also which songs appear in concert and on live albums. BOC's songs are so diverse, you could come up with dozens of unique combinations...maybe it's because the quality of their music is so good that not as many cuts "stand out" like the hits of many other bands... Another thing I've noticed is that even among fans the chosen setlists could differ widely. Some of the songs I consider to be absolutely brilliant are considered to be of lesser quality by other fans. I think it's awfully hard to pigeonhole a band as creative as BOC! Aaron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2505 bytes Desc: not available URL: From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Oct 8 01:56:22 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:56:22 -0400 Subject: ETL...me vs. Bolle.... Message-ID: In a message dated 97-10-07 05:39:40 EDT, you write: << As a non-BOC person, the track list on ETL looked pretty good. Why don't people like it? Are they relatively poor performances, or crap sound? >> Well, I really loved ETL when I first got it, even though I already owned all the previous BOC albums at the time (except Mirrors...I had to special order Mirrors!). Of course, the gorgeous cover art and the (gasp) lyrics were thrilling, but I enjoyed all of the performances, too, even the updated (and somewhat different) versions of songs that had previously seen live release (Hot Rails, Godzilla, etc.). It's a very solid album, and while it doesn't have the power of On Your Feet or perhaps the precision of SEE (and, of course, for the most part lacks Albert's drumming), I think it contains some very strong performances, and I would not hesitate to recommend it. SET That said, I mentioned to Bolle (whom I was instant-messaging with while writing the above) that I was writing a defense of ETL...he had this to say: TUBULAR 1: What? ETL is a shameless cheap attempt at cashing in on Burnin' For you twice...and not much else... I believe it to be the worst album ever by BOC... any of my live tapes kicks serious ass with that piece of crap...poor song selection not the best takes and the only redeeming factor is the awesome cover by my friend Greg Scott! TUBULAR 1: I guess that says something :-) StevenTice: Heh. Mind if I quote your opinion along with my defense? :-) Note that I don't have the luxury of knowing whether those were good takes or not... TUBULAR 1: Sure, but insert this bit then TUBULAR 1: Too many repeats from earlier albums which had the by far superior perfromances than what came on here. Also ETL is kinda like a Soundtrack to the MTV/Blue Jean Networks Concert! So there you go...choose your positions! :-) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Oct 8 02:35:52 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:35:52 -0400 Subject: Songs BOC hasn't performed live Message-ID: Well, I asked Bolle this question, and here's his list: TUBULAR 1: Here follows songs they've never performed live: I'm On the Lamb, Foot, Redeemed, Cagey Cretins, Tenderloin, Debbie Denise (Thank God), Death Valley Nites, Searchin' For Celine, Fireworks, Moon Crazy, Deadline, Sole Survivor, Vengeance, After Dark, Don't Turn Your Back, Eyes On Fire, Dragon Lady, Light years Of Love, Perfect Water, When the War Comes, Madness To The Method, and of course all but those 3 songs off Imaginos ... TUBULAR 1: Some songs they only did a very very few times are: Tattoo Vampire, True Confessions, Celestial the Queen, Nosferatu, I Am The Storm, You're Not the One I Was Looking For, Lonely Teardrops (with Allen singing it), Monsters, Hungry Boys, and that's for the rare bits, and also they did perform some songs that were never to be on record: TNT & Gun. ------------- Note: the three Imaginos songs Bolle refers to which they've actually played live are In The Presence Of Another World, I Am The One You Warned Me Of, and the Imaginos version of Astronomy. TNT was a pop song by Albert performed in early '79. SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 8 05:40:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:40:20 +0100 Subject: HW:Distant Horizons In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971007162757.006b5a9c@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971007162757.006b5a9c at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >Hi folks > >>On www.hawkwind.com it mentions the release date of the new album >as >being TODAY! Does anybody know when it will be available? Thanks > > >A VERY GOOD INFORMED friend told me today that the new CD is delayed. It >will be released in 2 weeks :-(((((((( > > >Bernhard I just spent an hour or so trawling through HMV's database, no mention. It hasn't been made available to order yet. So I gave "The Management" a ring. Appartantly they've had to switch distributors at the last minute. Seems it was being listed under "Wind, Hawk" and similar buffoonery. They are very confident it will be in the shops in two weeks and by the end on the month at the absolute outside. Now would be a very good time to go and order a copy. OK, the shop won't have any idea what you're talking about but they'll get the order-ins in a week or so and might actually order a couple for the shelf, if they remember someone asking earlier. A bit of fan activity, I think, never goes amiss! -- Jon Browne ObCD Harmonia (Neu! & Cluster collaboration) From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Oct 8 07:01:33 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:01:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > >70s. These are songs I'VE never seen live: > > >Most of Mirrors exc. Vigil, but memories hazy here--trying to block > >it out. They definitely did a few tunes from Mirrors on that tour, > >maybe 2-3 max... > > They've been doing 'In Thee' a lot over the past couple years... > > Jeez, am I burnt or what? I've seen them do In Thee this year! theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Oct 8 07:52:10 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:52:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: ETL-Bolle's dream LP--ha! In-Reply-To: <971008015620_2032876576@emout20.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Steve (for Bolle) wrote: >That said, I mentioned to Bolle (whom I was instant-messaging with while >writing the above) that I was writing a defense of ETL...he had this to say: > >TUBULAR 1: What? ETL is a shameless cheap attempt at cashing in on >Burnin' >For you twice...and not much else... I believe it to be the worst album ever >by BOC... any of my live tapes kicks serious ass with that piece of Ahem, That's nice, Bolle, but none of us have the luxury of owning the Museum of Cult for selecting live tunes to listen to like you do. Since he does have such a wonderful storehouse of stuff that no one else can hear save by visiting him, he may or may not have a right to slaughter what ETL was. But for us, the average BOC fan (aka non-fan club presidents), it seems fair to say that ETL works due the selection of songs that we don't have previously on OYF and SEE which have been said before. If Bolle is so miffed about ETL he should (w/band permission) compile a CD of BOC live tracks that we mere mortals don't have access to, save through scrounging for bootlegs, and sell it through the Fan club/BOCL/other BOC venues. After all, tBS can do it, so why can't he/BOC? Miffed and bible black, Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 8 08:13:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:13:41 EDT Subject: BOC: ETL-Bolle's dream LP--ha! Message-ID: >>From Jason: > Ahem, > That's nice, Bolle, but none of us have the luxury of owning the Museum of > Cult for selecting live tunes to listen to like you do. > Since he does have such a wonderful storehouse of stuff that no one else > can hear save by visiting him, he may or may not have a right to slaughter > what ETL was. But for us, the average BOC fan (aka non-fan club > presidents), it seems fair to say that ETL works due the selection of songs > that we don't have previously on OYF and SEE which have been said before. > If Bolle is so miffed about ETL he should (w/band permission) compile a CD > of BOC live tracks that we mere mortals don't have access to, save through > scrounging for bootlegs, and sell it through the Fan club/BOCL/other BOC > venues. After all, tBS can do it, so why can't he/BOC? > > Miffed and bible black, > Jason Amen, Jason! This is something that has galled me about BOC since joining the internet. Why can't BOC do more 'fan-club only' live stuff? Other bands do it, and it works out well. I realize they won't make a nickel on it, but can't a case for good will amongst the fans be made? Hell, even their idiot management should be able to figure out that us rabid fans would pay an inflated price to own new BOC stuff. And besides, they wouldn't have to DO anything! The tapes are there. Just put them on discs and out they go! And, like the man says, tBS can do it... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 8 08:22:35 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:22:35 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: >OH John!!!! I am sorry I did not put smiley faces . You Rule, too!!! Ah shucks... > How come no-one has mentioned any reference to AoF or Spectres? I bought Spectres as my first BOC studio album and never looked back. Well, I think Adrian did. Also, I put it in my recommended order -- I put AOF/Spectres/FOUO in one group after the first 3 albums, Imaginos, and Cultosaurus. This is a fine example of the fact that BOC has so much quality music - these albums are great, but if I'm making a recommendation on what to buy next, they actually are pretty far down the list. I think the main reason for that for me is because they are the albums with "the big 3" on them, which are of course on other albums, and ones that most people are familiar with. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 8 08:39:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:39:08 -0400 Subject: Il Grande Rock CD Message-ID: Manuel: Thanks for this info - the FAQ is being updated as we speak! Quick question though - I had in the FAQ that "Astronomy" was live - I must have gotten that from Bolle, but maybe he really meant "Joan Crawford"? As for who puts this stuff together, well, your guess is as good as mine. The "big 3" usually gets on these (or at least 2 out of 3) for obvious reasons, but beyond that how they get picked...who knows? It would really be cool for someone to put out a compilation of totally obscure tunes, like maybe: Mistress of the Salmon Salt, Cagey Cretins, She's as Beautiful as a Foot, Tattoo Vampire, Death Valley Nights, The Vigil, Monsters, Lips in the Hills, Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver, Shadow of California, Veins, ...Frankenstein..., and a preview release of "See You in Black" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 8 08:47:41 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:47:41 -0400 Subject: ETL...me vs. Bolle.... Message-ID: > What? ETL is a shameless cheap attempt at cashing in on Burnin' For you twice...and not much else... I believe it to be the worst album ever by BOC... Well, there ya go! Proof for all BOC-L folks that ETL must be an awesome album! ;-) ;-) ;-) John From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Oct 8 13:22:42 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:22:42 -0700 Subject: HW:Ritual of the Soltisce Message-ID: Hi all Once again paying attention to the cut out racks has paid off, found the Ritual of the Soltice CD for just $7.99. I have some basic questions as to this album. (if you dont like techno dont get it). 1) Who put this album together? 2) Who are these artists? Knights of the Occasional Table Optic Eye Salt Tank Translucent The Advent Zion Train Utah Saints FYI This is the EBS release with soft cover not jewel case. Look in your local music stores... peruse the low priced racks... In the last two months I have picked up both Griffen and EBS recordings for low low prices. Still havnt found choose your masques tho........ Ever on and on Mike NYC Gig pics still at http://members.aol.com/corwyn1961/index.htm From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Oct 8 13:55:59 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:55:59 -0700 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind vinyl Message-ID: Hi all Dont know if this helps: RCALP 9004, copyright 1982 for Active records Space (side 1) : Angel Voices/Nuclear Drive/Star Cannibal/The phenomenon of Luminosity/Fall of Earch City/The Church Fate (side 2) : The Joker at the Gate/Some People Never Die/LightSpecificData/Experiment With Destiny/The Last Messiah/Looking IN the Future >From Robt Godwins Book: "Mostly material which was to have been a Dave Brock solo album, recorded under duress while Martin Griffin had the measles, the album is one of may creative landmarks for the band, although the press were not too enthused. The first album to feature a booklet since ISoS." Hope that helps From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Oct 8 12:22:39 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:22:39 -0700 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Troy wrote: > Yeah! Now there's a good point! Relativity. I remember when Mirrors came out here in Aust. We all went and bought it. Sure, it was not metal, but the > heavy tracks were awesome and the pop tunes were the best available anywhere. All you had otherwise was Styx and Cheap Trick who never were big > over here. Styx and Cheap Trick? Why bother with these dinosaurs when you had great Aussie bands like the Saints, the Scientists and Radio Birdman right under your noses? Australia has produced some amazing bands over the past 20 years, but few people seem to notice. Chris founder, E-coli Anti-Defamation League From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Oct 8 13:48:32 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:48:32 -0700 Subject: testing (please ignore) Message-ID: this is a test From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Oct 8 08:31:33 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:31:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Everyone's a good manager who has never managed and other things Message-ID: >Amen, Jason! This is something that has galled me about BOC since >joining the internet. Why can't BOC do more 'fan-club only' live >stuff? Other bands do it, and it works out well. I realize they >won't make a nickel on it, but can't a case for good will amongst the >fans be made? ................ Not to mention the fact that continued production of any non-"best of" rehash would at least help keep the fan base in tact and happy, but provide a good word o' mouth to friends irl and on lists such as this one..BOCL has proven to be helpful for the advertising of Porcupine Tree, Hawkwind things(to newbies at the whole Hawkwind thing) etc. (and of course tBS--but more a case of direct intervention from the Drummer-That-Be.) >figure out that us rabid fans would pay an inflated price to own new >BOC stuff. And besides, they wouldn't have to DO anything! The >tapes are there. Just put them on discs and out they go! And, like >the man says, tBS can do it... As Albert has mentioned in previous interviews scattered about the net and elsewheres (maybe the Modern Drummer interview?) that he had a more "driven" work ethic and the evidence tBS-wise shows: 3 CDs, Cellsum Records carrying more than just tBS, actually having Eponyomous and Trepanation(?) in stores (at the Syracuse Lechmere (RIP) I saw the former) and having them sell decent amounts; most likely due to word o' mouth and touring w/ a decent alchemy of old and new material,not just doing a "Hey there boys and girls, its the BOC revival hour with all the material AOR knows and loves!" It seems to me that BOC could pull an "underground" comeback and be a far more effective and viable recording entity than trying to hit it big all in one whallop (its been how many years after all?).....but then again ELO nas a new disk on some label recently--now that's darn scary. It wouldn't changer their current means of existence too much anyhow... *drumroll please* Not to say "If I were BOC..." but I will anyhow, advertising in the plethora of internet music venues, (Addicted to Noise being one of many fine places), a few rave reviews here and there (like the good editorial about BOC on AtN a while back), coupled with well placed and revamped concert appearances (bigger than a bar (we all know they/we get too crowded in dem plaecs), but smaller than the Hoover Dam kind of venues; since the line-up seems stable now, w/out people always going over to Blackmore, BOC should be albe to stretch out and rebuild the BOC groove (mk. II)) etc etc yadda yadda yadda. We all know the drill. Getting in as many list contributions as he can before Oct. break, Jason Pardon me as a hose down the pulpit, all this talk "from on, but not on a, high" is messy. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 8 13:35:45 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:35:45 +0100 Subject: The Ambient Anarchists Decoded? Message-ID: Here's the tracklist of the new compilation The Ambient Anarchists. Brian Tawn having done the blurb in the booklet, this can almost certainly be regarded as an official album. In the UK the price has been as low as 9 Pounds which is pretty solid for 29 tracks. For any of you folks out here who'd like to have a part in the ongoing creation of the Hawkwind Codex, I've added the entries against which the tracks on this compilation should be checked. When checking please note whether the track lasts as long (or longer?) than what you're checking against. If pieces from either end are missing then it's classed as a "cut". If pieces in the middle are missing then it's an "edit". If instrument or vocal tracks have been added or subtracted then it's a "remix". Odds are that most here will simply be identical to one of the entries compared against. If you spot such a match then post it up here so that we can add it to the codex. Thanks in advance. FoFP The Ambient Anarchists 1997 Urban Guerilla Right to Decide PXR5 {listed as High Rise} Motorway City Psychedelic Warlords Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars TV Suicide Blue Shift {? not listed} Confrontation Streets of Fear Motorhead The Camera That Could Lie LSD {not listed} Sonic Attack UFO Line Abducted Earth Love in Space The Forge Of Vulcan Life Form Green Finned Demon Virgin Of The World Utopia Arrival in Utopia {not listed} Space Is Their Palestine {listed as Assassin} The Joker At The Gate Time and Space Vega The Last Messiah Urban Guerilla L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 4 a Shot Down In The Night / Urban Guerilla 7" L 4 b Live - St Albans 1979 * 4a is an edited version of 4 (cut at the end) 4b is a poorer mix of 4 Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single (Radio Edit Mix) L 4 The Business Trip * 2 is performed by Alien Prophets PXR5 1 PXR5 1 a 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP * 1a is a cut version of 1 Motorway City L 6 Undisclosed Files Psychedelic Warlords 3 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP 3 Choose Your Masques [CD only] Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 2 a Early Daze L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 7 Sonic Attack 8 Zones 8 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 9 Undisclosed Files L 10 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 11 Love in Space EP * 1a is the same as 1 but with a different intro 1b is 1a with the end cut short 1c is 1 but faded at the end 2a is the same as 2 but with part of the intro cut Sonic Attack 7 Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars 3 PXR5 3 Repeat Performance TV Suicide 1 Space Bandits L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 2 a California Brainstorm * 2 and 2a are from the same tour Blue Shift 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Confrontation 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk Streets of Fear 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Sonic Attack * 1a based on Brock Demo version 1 Motorhead 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD 2 British Tribal Music 2 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Ironstrike 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 2 Motorhead/ Valium 10 12" single 2 Motorhead/ Hurry on Sundown 7" 2 Motorhead/ Valium Ten 7" 2 Castle Masters Collection 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 2 Acid Daze Vol. II 2 The Hawkwind Collection 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Victoria double album 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Best of Hawkwind 2 Space Is Deep 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] Processed 1 Zones/ Processed 7" 2 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous {The Camera that Could Lie} 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single {The Camera that Could Lie} L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} L 3 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * Lyrics taken from "Living on a Knife Edge" LSD 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 3 The Business Trip Sonic Attack L 11 Love in Space EP U.F.O Line 1 Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams Abducted 1 Alien4 L 2 Love In Space Parasites Are Here On Earth 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Love in Space L 2 Love In Space 3 Love in Space EP * 2 is a substantially reworked version of 1 with lyrics added The Forge Of Vulcan 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] Life Form 1 PXR5 Green Finned Demon 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground 2 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 a Night of the Hawk/ Green Finned Demon 7" L 4 The Business Trip L 4 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples * 2 is based on demo track 1 * 2a is a cut of 2 Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} L 1 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 2 Sonic Attack 2 Angels of Death * lyrics printed in Church of Hawkwind book but not used on that album. Part lyrics only used in Sonic Attack version. Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Utopia '84 L 1 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 Arrival In Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Live At Reading '86 {Utopia} L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Space is their (Palestine) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 4 Love In Space {Assassins} * Version 4a is not listed on the CD but is part of Assassins of Allah * Versions 4 and 4a are from the same tour The Joker At The Gate 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind Time and Space 1 White Zone Vega 1 Alien4 L 3 Love In Space The Last Messiah 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Oct 8 13:39:12 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:39:12 -0400 Subject: OT: 4th World In-Reply-To: <19970928014919.24047.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Bob Lennon" at Sep 27, 97 06:49:19 pm Message-ID: Has anyone received their orders as of today (10/8)? I am set to email 4th World (now calling themselves MFR) again, as well as their ISP (pipex.com). In spite of the assurance that the orders were just about set to go/were ready to go i've not seen hide nor hair of my stuff, and i haven't gotten any responses to my queries since... perhaps it might help if everyone that has ordered and not received their goods indicated that they were prepared to email Pipex as well as Newsgroups where 4th World had placed adverts... feel free to email me directly with any suggestions/info... --dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > > >> btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email > us? > >> > >> Miikka Wagner > >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci > > no. > --dave > > > nope....i e-mailed the guy again,,,,no response... > bl > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 8 14:36:21 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:36:21 +0100 Subject: BOC: Everyone's a good manager who has never managed and other things Message-ID: It's all about attitude. I'm off to see Wayne Kramer in a couple of hours; he's got to be even older than the BOC guys, spent time in jail, etc, etc, yet he's made four solo albums (and numerous guest appearances) in the nineties, and he's gigging all over the world. The last gig I went to was Man. They're the same age as BOC, they've put out a couple of excellent albums in the 90s, and there's another due out next year - all this with Deke having been seriously ill for a while. The best gig I've been to this year was the New Christs. Rob Younger's been around since his Birdman days 20 years ago. Despite bugger-all commercial success, he continues to get really hot musicians in his band, puts out amazing records, and tours all over Europe. One of the best shows I went to last year was Patti Smith. Say no more! All these guys may be old, as rock musicians go - but they don't play an oldies show. And it's no coincidence that none of them get billed beneath Foghat and a puppet show at a poxy chilli cook-off. :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Oct 8 15:00:51 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:00:51 EDT Subject: HW: Castle version of _Levitation_ Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if the track "Nuclear Toy" appears on the Castle Communications version of _Levitation_? I know it's on the Griffin version, but that is not to be had in my area. (Anyone seen it in the Boston, Mass. area?) MWood NP: _The Girl Who was ... Death_ - Devil Doll From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 8 15:30:24 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:30:24 PDT Subject: HW: Castle version of _Levitation_ Message-ID: >Can anyone tell me if the track "Nuclear Toy" appears on the >Castle Communications version of _Levitation_? I know it's >on the Griffin version, but that is not to be had in my area. >(Anyone seen it in the Boston, Mass. area?) > >MWood > >NP: _The Girl Who was ... Death_ - Devil Doll > No, I've got the Castle CD and it doesn't have "Nuclear Toy". I wish I could get the Griffin CD. Anybody have a used copy for sale? Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung at bigfoot.com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mwood at AGILE.COM Wed Oct 8 15:48:39 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:48:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >John Majka writes > >Ambient Anarchists: what is it? Is this a recent bootleg cdr or something? > It's a new 2 x CD HW compilation, very reasonable UKP 9.99, with a good > range of better quality tracks, and no Douglas In The Jungle. Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? It and a handful of other tracks ("Hash Cake" & "British Tribal Music", for example) always seem to crop up on these compilations that everyone advises me to steer clear of. Are these songs that bad? Or are they just throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of Hawkwind's catalog? I feel like I've missed some kind of joke... MWood NP: _The Visit_ - Loreena McKennitt From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Oct 8 16:17:36 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:17:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: > Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? Or are they just > throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of > Hawkwind's catalog? > > I feel like I've missed some kind of joke... > You mean like: "They're on their knees, those chimpanzees....." ?? Always cracks me up !! Actually its a lost classic, lyrics wise (all about Doug Smith) and I still claim theres a hell of a lot more going on in the background (low or buried vocals) thatn anybody has ever figured out, but its not terribly musical..... Duh-Duh-Duh-Duh Dum-Dum repeat ad nauseam Steve L. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Oct 8 16:45:51 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:45:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists (Forward) Message-ID: >> Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? Or are they just >> throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of >> Hawkwind's catalog? >Actually its a lost classic, lyrics wise (all about Doug Smith) and I still >claim theres a hell of a lot more going on in the background (low or buried >vocals) thatn anybody has ever figured out, but its not terribly musical..... > >Duh-Duh-Duh-Duh Dum-Dum repeat ad nauseam >Steve L. I always liked douglos in the jungle. The lyrics are silly and fun and I quite like the style of it. Okay not tuneful but then the awkwneing doesn't have a tune and that's good. And it's far better than the dance records you get these days which have reapting voacls and awful drum beats. IMHO So was douglos in the jungle done for the 25 years on session or was it just the band muckign around one afternoon. Of course what hakwiwnd need to do is issue all the unofficeal non money make material themselvse better quility with more and an affrodable price and hopefuly all the other companies will loss out. Okay it's not that simple but's beter than jsut letting them issue the stuff. Timmy Langner From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Oct 8 17:57:09 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:57:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle version of _Levitation_ In-Reply-To: <19971008193025.25835.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 12:30 08/10/97 PDT, BL Young wrote: >No, I've got the Castle CD and it doesn't have "Nuclear Toy". >I wish I could get the Griffin CD. Anybody have a used copy >for sale? No :-) But you can find "Nuclear Toy" on the Karusell "Silver Machine" compilation CD... I've seen it about... and BOC's Imaginos still floods the second hand places here! Christian spooky medieval drone NP: Third Ear Band - Radio Sessions PS! CDs For Trade: VdGG/Hillage/Family/RedHarvest +++... email me if interested... From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Oct 8 18:22:42 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:22:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: In memorium: B.J. Wilson Message-ID: Sadly, today marks the 7th anniversary of the passing of Procol Harum's percussionist extrordinaire Barrie-James Wilson. For the best representation of his wildly stylish drummery, check out the LP: "Live with the Edmonston Symphony Orchestra"- a recording for which they had to do all they could to keep the sound of his drums from overpowering the non-rock musicians. Of further coolness and grandeur on the skins: listen to the following tracks: "Repent Walpurgis" on the 1st LP, "Strong as Samson" on Exotic Birds and Fruit (produced shoddily by Chris Thomas) the B-side(now on most greatest hits packages) "In the Wee Small Hours of Sixpence" and the entire _A Salty Dog_ LP. If anything is to be learned from Procol's history, it is this: get someone who can make all the instruments be heard properly as a producer (that and a competent management). Life is like a beanstalk, isn't it? Jason From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 8 18:27:40 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:27:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: ETL-Bolle's dream LP--ha! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 07:52 08/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Steve (for Bolle) wrote: > >>That said, I mentioned to Bolle (whom I was instant-messaging with while >>writing the above) that I was writing a defense of ETL...he had this to say: >> >>TUBULAR 1: What? ETL is a shameless cheap attempt at cashing in on >>Burnin' >>For you twice...and not much else... I believe it to be the worst album ever >>by BOC... any of my live tapes kicks serious ass with that piece of > >Ahem, >That's nice, Bolle, but none of us have the luxury of owning the Museum of >Cult for selecting live tunes to listen to like you do. >Since he does have such a wonderful storehouse of stuff that no one else >can hear save by visiting him, he may or may not have a right to slaughter >what ETL was. But for us, the average BOC fan (aka non-fan club >presidents), it seems fair to say that ETL works due the selection of songs >that we don't have previously on OYF and SEE which have been said before. >If Bolle is so miffed about ETL he should (w/band permission) compile a CD >of BOC live tracks that we mere mortals don't have access to, save through >scrounging for bootlegs, and sell it through the Fan club/BOCL/other BOC >venues. After all, tBS can do it, so why can't he/BOC? > >Miffed and bible black, >Jason > Amen to that.. ChrisW ObVinylAcquisition: Near pristine copy of Icberg by Deke Leonard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 8 18:40:05 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:40:05 +0100 Subject: BOC: Everyone's a good manager who has never managed and other things In-Reply-To: <01BCD421.8CF97820.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >It's all about attitude. > >I'm off to see Wayne Kramer in a couple of hours; he's got to be even older >than the BOC guys, spent time in jail, etc, etc, yet he's made four solo >albums (and numerous guest appearances) in the nineties, and he's gigging all >over the world. And I wish I was going too, but wifey's gone to a dinner for the "Pittock family reunion" organized by her father and featuring hordes of aging American genealogists visiting the ancestral village (no offence intended to list members across the pond)... >The last gig I went to was Man. They're the same age as BOC, they've put out >a couple of excellent albums in the 90s, and there's another due out next >year - all this with Deke having been seriously ill for a while. I was there - and Andy's right... My old crowd have seen them a lot in the last few years and speak highly of other gigs. Just as everybody seems to be saying that Buck plays better than ever, messrs. Jones & Leonard are still up in the stratosphere.... The last major gig I attended before that was King Crimson - I'm not sure how old Fripp is, but his work rate in the last decade is also awesome. ChrisW ObVinylAcquisition: A Near pristine "Deke Leonard - Iceberg" *** desdinova at earthling.net *** ICQ 2453162 *** Fenugreek.firefly "Live dangerously! Or not at all." From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Oct 8 20:07:19 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 00:07:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Norwich gig Message-ID: Somewhere on planet earth... approximate set list follows. Assault & Battery brought tears to my eyes. Maybe because I hadn't seen HW for nearly 2 years. Love In Space too, tho not as much. Aerospaceage Inferno ROCKED - a blurred pulsating sound/light experience thing. Every time Dave picked up his guitar they rocked. The description of Jerry I read here recently was spot on. Brainstorm clattered into Camera, I'm sure it was played the way they wanted it to, but it must have taken 30 long seconds; trasition back into Brainstorm however was invisible. More great guitar in Ejection. Short - approx 60 mins plus encore. Sorry no tape, maybe King's Lynn gig on Saturday. Hawkwind - like a flawed jewel. God I love Hawkwind. Alasdair. 8th Oct 97. (approximate) set list ------------------------- instrumental Capt Rizz warriors> assault & battery> golden void hassan i sahba> space is their> hassan i sahba another Capt Rizz? love in space> aerospaceage inferno> sonic attack> blue skin brainstorm camera that could lie> brainstorm encore: reptoid vision Ejection -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Oct 8 19:24:43 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:24:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: In memorium: B.J. Wilson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Sadly, today marks the 7th anniversary of the passing of Procol Harum's > percussionist extrordinaire Barrie-James Wilson. For the best > representation of his wildly stylish drummery, check out the LP: "Live with > the Edmonston Symphony Orchestra"- a recording for which they had to do all > they could to keep the sound of his drums from overpowering the non-rock > musicians. Of further coolness and grandeur on the skins: listen to the > following tracks: > "Repent Walpurgis" on the 1st LP, "Strong as Samson" on Exotic Birds and Fruit > (produced shoddily by Chris Thomas) the B-side(now on most greatest hits > packages) "In the Wee Small Hours of Sixpence" and the entire _A Salty Dog_ > LP. I recently have been relistening to my Procol Harum albums and would echo the above sentiments. Also I think Grand Hotel is a lot of fun. I remain, Adam > If anything is to be learned from Procol's history, it is this: get someone > who can make all the instruments be heard properly as a producer (that and > a competent management). > > Life is like a beanstalk, isn't it? > Jason > > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 8 20:22:07 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:22:07 +0100 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? Message-ID: I've gone through the Ambient Anarchists double-CD and discovered where most of the track versions came from. Notes: Blue Shift isn't there, it's just that the end of TV Suicide sounded a lot like it. Arrival In Utopia isn't there, my memory was playing tricks. High Rise is listed but PXR5 is on the CD. The end of LSD follows The Camera That Could Lie. The end of Hassan I Sabha follows Space Is Their Palestine (Assassins). I cannot identify the version of Love In Space or the second version of Sonic Attack. I guess further checking is warranted but these could be unreleased versions of the tracks. Here's the info: The tracklist is: The Ambient Anarchists 1997 Urban Guerilla Right to Decide PXR5 {listed as High Rise} Motorway City Psychedelic Warlords Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars TV Suicide Confrontation Streets of Fear Motorhead The Camera That Could Lie LSD {segue from previous track} Sonic Attack UFO Line Abducted Earth Love in Space The Forge Of Vulcan Life Form Green Finned Demon Virgin Of The World Utopia Space Is Their Palestine {listed as Assassin} Hassan I Sabha {segue from previous track) The Joker At The Gate Time and Space Vega The Last Messiah Versions: Urban Guerilla L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] PXR5 1 PXR5 Motorway City L 6 Undisclosed Files Psychedelic Warlords 3 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP 3 Choose Your Masques [CD only] Sonic Attack 7 Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars 3 PXR5 3 Repeat Performance TV Suicide L 2 a California Brainstorm Confrontation 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk Streets of Fear 1 a Sonic Attack Motorhead 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD Processed L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} L 3 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples LSD L 3 The Business Trip Sonic Attack U.F.O Line 1 Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams Abducted 1 Alien4 Parasites Are Here On Earth 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Love in Space The Forge Of Vulcan 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] Life Form 1 PXR5 Green Finned Demon L 4 The Business Trip L 4 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} 2 Sonic Attack 2 Angels of Death Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Space is their (Palestine) L 4 Love In Space {Assassins} Hassan I Sabha L 9 Love In Space {Assassins} The Joker At The Gate 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind Time and Space 1 White Zone Vega 1 Alien4 The Last Messiah 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Oct 8 23:00:47 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:00:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: >Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? It and a handful >of other tracks ("Hash Cake" & "British Tribal Music", for example) >always seem to crop up on these compilations that everyone advises >me to steer clear of. Are these songs that bad? Or are they just >throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of >Hawkwind's catalog? >MWood Oh, those songs are quite OK. Douglas In The Jungle is a little silly, obviously done by the Hawks in a funny mood, but it doesn't actually suck or anything. People are constantly slagging those "Anthology" compilations such as Acid Daze etc., but I would consider them indispensable to any HW collection. On those albums are tons of great tracks we wouldn't otherwise have. In fact, the anthology records have some of my favorite tunes--like that great live version of Quark Strangeness and Charm, or Huw's torturedly brilliant lead work on Who's Gonna Win the War. I couldn't live without 'em. I like Hash Cake quite a bit; the same with British Tribal Music. The Hawks are just... they're just.... they're neato! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Oct 8 23:26:37 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:26:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: ETL-Bolle's dream LP--ha! Message-ID: In a message dated 97-10-08 18:49:34 EDT, you write: << If Bolle is so miffed about ETL he should (w/band permission) compile a CD >of BOC live tracks that we mere mortals don't have access to, >> That could happen:-) Stay tuned. chuck From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 8 23:43:04 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:43:04 PDT Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: > >> Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? Or are they just >> throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of >> Hawkwind's catalog? >> >> I feel like I've missed some kind of joke... >> > >You mean like: > >"They're on their knees, those chimpanzees....." ?? > >Always cracks me up !! > >Actually its a lost classic, lyrics wise (all about Doug Smith) and I still >claim theres a hell of a lot more going on in the background (low or buried >vocals) thatn anybody has ever figured out, but its not terribly musical..... > >Duh-Duh-Duh-Duh Dum-Dum repeat ad nauseam > >Steve L. > It's not a bad song, really. It's quite a gem amongst "unreleased" tracks (compared to what some bands foist off). But the point is - how many times do we have to buy this non-album track? Is it really necessary to show up on all of those compilations that threaten the financial stability of all us Hawkwind completists? And the really nasty part - whenever you're getting an album with "Douglas..." on it, it always has the same assortment of other tracks that turn up as "also-rans" (such as Hash Cake, etc) On my webpage I don't even bother mentioning these, although if I were to write about them, I would tell people not to buy them. I'm sure any real Hawkwind fan will buy a few, anyways, so they'll get their specified quota of "Douglas..." Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung at bigfoot.com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Oct 9 01:59:35 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:59:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: >Jon Browne wrote: >>John Majka writes >> >Ambient Anarchists: what is it? Is this a recent bootleg cdr or something? >> It's a new 2 x CD HW compilation, very reasonable UKP 9.99, with a good >> range of better quality tracks, and no Douglas In The Jungle. > >Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? It and a handful >of other tracks ("Hash Cake" & "British Tribal Music", for example) >always seem to crop up on these compilations that everyone advises >me to steer clear of. Are these songs that bad? Or are they just >throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of >Hawkwind's catalog? Well, I feel that Hash Cake (Cake Out ?) has a really strong Hawkwind vibe to it, it's really good. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Oct 9 04:57:53 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:57:53 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 09:22 AM 8/10/97 -0700, Chris Baxley wrote: > >Australia has produced some amazing bands over the past 20 years, but few >people seem to notice. > >Chris > >founder, >E-coli Anti-Defamation League > You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose Tatoo and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked the "flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. However, I do think there are some un-noticed Aussies in those years too. I think Cold Chisel, (though I hated them for years) and Australian Crawl would rank among the standard of some US and UK pop rock. Still, interesting that you mention the Scientists, when I have never even heard of them! Who were they? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Oct 9 05:19:31 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:19:31 +1000 Subject: BOC: ETL-Bolle's dream LP--ha! Message-ID: At 11:26 PM 8/10/97 -0400, wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-08 18:49:34 EDT, you write: > ><< If Bolle is so miffed about ETL he should (w/band permission) compile a CD > >of BOC live tracks that we mere mortals don't have access to, >> > >That could happen:-) Stay tuned. > >chuck > If it does happen- do us all a favor and make sure there are tracks that we have not heard before on record- eg Wings of Mercury (or whatever), I'd like to see you in black, and tracks never heard before live on record , like Lips in the hills and such. Otherwise, I'll just buy another compilation. : ) Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 04:42:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:00 +0100 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Thu, 9 Oct 97 01:22 +0100 Message-ID: On 09 Oct 01:22, M Holmes wrote: > Arrival In Utopia isn't there, my memory was playing tricks. To be absolutely clear: is the track on this CD the spoken "If you want to get into it, you've got to get out of it" ? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 09:45:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:45:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: getting the LIS EP Message-ID: Does anyone know a good place from which to order the LIS EP in the UK? (I'm crassly assuming that it _has_ actually been generally released ...) Cheers, Carl ObCDTrack: Amorphis, My Kantele EP, "And I Hear You Call" ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 04:42:56 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Castle version of _Levitation_ In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:00:51 EDT Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > Can anyone tell me if the track "Nuclear Toy" appears on the > Castle Communications version of _Levitation_? I know it's > on the Griffin version, but that is not to be had in my area. > (Anyone seen it in the Boston, Mass. area?) > > MWood > > NP: _The Girl Who was ... Death_ - Devil Doll > No, it doesn't. It's on the Griffin CD only. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 05:43:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:43:00 +0100 Subject: HW: getting the LIS EP In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Thu, 9 Oct 97 09:45 +0000 Message-ID: On 09 Oct 10:45, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Does anyone know a good place from which to order the LIS EP in the UK? > (I'm crassly assuming that it _has_ actually been generally released ...) Compact Disc Services 40/42 Brentwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW UK Tel: +44 1382 776595 Fax: +44 1382 736702 Welcome back! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 05:48:05 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:48:39 -0400 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > Can anyone clue me in on "Douglas in the Jungle" ? It and a handful > of other tracks ("Hash Cake" & "British Tribal Music", for example) > always seem to crop up on these compilations that everyone advises > me to steer clear of. Are these songs that bad? Or are they just > throw-away ditties that no one would possibly rank with the rest of > Hawkwind's catalog? The real problem is that around 2.5 hours of live tapes appears to have had the rights allocated to a certain ex member who has allowed issues of compilation after compilation of various permutations of selections from the same live tapes. Hash Cake '77 and Douglas in the Jungle are markers for these compilations as is "In The Egg" for another set with the same problem. The list from the discography for the first category: 1985 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I LP (Samurai) reisued as Acid Daze 1 High Rise (Calvert/Brock) British Tribal Music (Brock/Bainbridge/Swindells/King) Spirit of the Age (Calvert/Brock) Urban Guerilla (Calvert/Brock) Masters of the Universe (Brock/Turner) World of Tiers (Bainbridge) Who's Gonna Win the War (Brock) Ghost Dance (Bainbridge) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 2 Earth Calling (Calvert) Motorhead (Kilminster) Watchfield Festival (Hawkwind) Magnu (Hawkwind) Angels Of Death (Brock) Hashcake '77 (Hawkwind) Quark Strangeness And Charm (Hawkwind) Douglas In The Jungle (Hawkwind) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 3 Dealing With The Devil (Williamson) Bring It On Home (Dixon) Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Came Home (Brock) We Do It (Hawkwind '71) Born To Go (Brock/Calvert) Space Is Deep (Brock) You Shouldn't Do That (Brock/Turner) Seeing It As You Really Are (Brock) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD (Samurai) High Rise British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Masters of the Universe World of Tiers Whose Gonna Win the War Ghost Dance Silver Machine 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD (Samurai) Earth Calling Motorhead Watchfield Festival Magnu Magnu/Angels Of Death Hashcake '77 Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are 1986 The Hawkwind Collection (Castle) dbl LP Silver Machine Born To Go Dealing With The Devil Urban Guerrilla Masters Of The Universe Who's Gonna Win The War Hash Cake '77 Motorhead Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle Space Is Deep Bring It On Home Earth Calling Magnu/Angels Of Death Spirit Of The Age [the CD does not have the following tracks:] Ghost Dance You Shouldn't Do That We Do It 1987 British Tribal Music (Start) (live, compilation) [Good sound quality. digitally mastered] All tracks available on Anthology Albums Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Space Is Deep (Brock) Motorhead (Kilminster) Magnu/Angels Of Death (Calvert/Brock) We Do It (Hawkwind '71) British Tribal Music (Brock/Bainbridge/Swindells/King) Ghost Dance (Bainbridge) World Of Tiers (Bainbridge) Urban Guerilla (Brock/Calvert) Earth Calling (Calvert) Silver Machine (Calvert/Brock) 1990 Acid Daze Vol I (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 1 High Rise British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Masters of the Universe World of Tiers Whose Gonna Win the War Ghost Dance 1990 Acid Daze Vol II (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 2 Earth Calling Motorhead Watchfield Festival Magnu Magnu/Angels Of Death Hashcake '77 Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle 1990 Acid Daze Vol III (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 3 Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are Dealing With The Devil Bring It On Home Hurry On Sundown Came Home We Do It 1993 Acid Daze III CD Dealing With the Devil Bring it On Home Hurry On Sundown Came Home We Do It Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are Silver Machine 1990 Acid Daze 3LP box set with booklet 1990 Acid Daze 3LP set on 2CD 1990 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind CD [Action Replay records. High Rise Live recordings] British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Born to Go Space is Deep You Shouldn't do That Silver Machine 1991 Castle Masters Collection Douglas in the Jungle British Tribal Music Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Hurry on Sundown The War Master of the Universe Hash Cake '77 Came Home Urban Guerilla High Rise Magnu Silver Machine World of Tiers Dealing With The Devil Ghost Dance Motorhead Spirit of the Age 1994 The Best of Hawkwind Master of the Universe Angels of Death Motorhead Earth Calling Space is Deep Ghost Dance Born to Go British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Hash Cake '77 High Rise Hurry On Sundown Douglas In The Jungle Who's Gonna Win the War Quark, Strangeness and Charm Dealing With the Devil Silver Machine 1995 Space Is Deep Spirit Of The Age Urban Guerilla Master Of The Universe Who's Gonna Win The War? Motorhead Angels Of Death Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Hash Cake Bring It On Home Hurry On Sundown Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That 1997 Live & Rare Earth Calling Born To Go Space Is Deep Silver Machine Motorhead Angels Of Death Magnu Hash Cake High Rise Douglas In The Jungle Urban Guerilla Who's Gonna Win The War? Master Of The Universe You Shouldn't Do That Spirit Of The Age 1997 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] Master Of The Universe Angels Of Death Magnu Motorhead Earth Calling Space Is Deep Ghost Dance Born To Go Spirit Of The Age Cake Out High Rise Hurry On Sundown Douglas In The Jungle Who's Gonna Win The War? Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Dealing With The Devil Silver Machine And the second set: 1985 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (Demi Monde)(live) [all tracks are from early tapes] Gaga In The Egg (narration) Orgone Accumulator Wage War (narration) Urban Guerrilla Master Of The Universe Welcome To The Future Sonic Attack Silver Machine 1985 Live '70/'73 (Castle Dojo) [live early tracks] [reissued as Welcome To The Future] In The Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome To The Future Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack Seven By Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On A Sundown 1985 Welcome To The Future (Mausoleum Records) [reissue of Live '70/'73] In the Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome to the Future Master of the Universe Sonic Attack Seven by Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On Sundown 1987 Early Daze (Thunderbolt) (Early live tracks all previously reissued) Hurry on Sundown (Brock) Dreaming (Brock) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Gaga (doesn't exist on vinyl) In the Egg (Calvert) Orgone Accumulator (Brock/Calvert) Sonic Attack (Moorcock) Silver Machine (Brock/Calvert) > > I feel like I've missed some kind of joke... > > MWood > > NP: _The Visit_ - Loreena McKennitt > From stayer at PI.NET Thu Oct 9 13:41:25 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:41:25 -0700 Subject: BOC: The Frighteners Message-ID: Don't know if it's already in the FAQ and I have been away for some time, but yesterday I watched The Frighteners, a film with Michael J. Fox, from 1996. Liked it. During de credits, there's a song we all know - (Don't Fear) The Reaper, played by The Mutton Birds. Nice version, nothing more. I remember the name Mutton Birds, so it probably has been discussed before. Jerry From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 05:51:09 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:51:09 +0100 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:42:00 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 09 Oct 01:22, M Holmes wrote: > > Arrival In Utopia isn't there, my memory was playing tricks. > > To be absolutely clear: is the track on this CD the spoken > "If you want to get into it, you've got to get out of it" ? Yes. FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Thu Oct 9 14:44:55 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:44:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Dutch gigs Message-ID: Hawkwind gigs : Effenaar, Eindhove, Holland, Tuesday 18 November 1997 Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland, Wednesday 19 November 1997 Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 04:51:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:51:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: <199710090857.SAA07429@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199710090857.SAA07429 at shell-01.webconcept.com.au>, Troy Harris writes > You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they >were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose Tatoo >and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked the >"flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. How about The Hard-Ons? Not everyone's cup of skate-core tea, but I like 'em! -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 9 06:19:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:19:02 +0100 Subject: getting the LIS EP Message-ID: On Thursday, October 09, 1997 10:46 AM, Carl Edlund Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > Does anyone know a good place from which to order the LIS EP in the UK? > (I'm crassly assuming that it _has_ actually been generally released ...) > Hey Carl! I'll keep a eye out for a copy in London (although the one I actually bought is the only copy I've seen so far!). If you don't have any luck in a few weeks, you can have mine anwyay. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 9 06:22:09 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:22:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: The Frighteners Message-ID: > I remember the name Mutton Birds, so it probably has been discussed before. Yes it has! I've not heard their "Reaper", but I do quite like what I've heard of them. I've seen a single version of this listed on one of the online catalogues, but I don't think it's on any (either?) of their albums. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 9 06:31:22 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:31:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer Message-ID: You'd have enjoyed it, Chris... the other list members that I reckon would have been really into it are Tim and Theo. But you missed it! :) Wayne played with bass and drums as backup - both excellent players, making a very tight band. The set was most of this year's _Citizen Wayne_ album, with two or three cuts from _The Hard Stuff_ and _Dangerous Madness_. (The only oldie was "Kick Out the Jams", which was saved for the encore.) He seemed in great form and great humour. Several of the songs served as launching pads for some exciting free-rock, which may or may not have been improvised, and the _CW_ material was much harder-edged than on the album. Expect to see me with a WK mugshot on my shirt at the Empire :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 04:46:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:46:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: In memorium: B.J. Wilson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just got the Procol Harum 30th Anniversary Anthology with 1st/Shine On Brightly/A Salty Dog/Home/Singles/Out-takes/Alt. Versions. 3 x CD WestSide Records WESX301 I traded some comics for it but I believe it's only about 9 quid. -- Jon Browne From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 08:43:06 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:43:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:31:22 BST." <01BCD4A7.0F678240.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > You'd have enjoyed it, Chris... the other list members that I reckon would > have been really into it are Tim and Theo. But you missed it! :) Yeah ok, rub it in. :-) I'd have been there if it was for my MSc dissertation deadline 5pm tomorrow. Still, that means I can relax & go see hawkwind on friday night, provided they're still playing. Tim ObCD: New Christs _Lower Yourself_ Of course ;-) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Oct 9 09:05:29 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:05:29 +0200 Subject: OFF: The sheep has become a rat Message-ID: hi I think you remember the little sheep I send you as a christmas present for almost a year ago... Some of you didn't like my idea of sending .exe files to the list... ;-) Well, here's a similar programme but it's a rat this time and not a sheep. http://www.mc.hik.se/~mpj95sjs/rats.exe Try it if you want to! I can't promise that this isn't some kind of evil virus that will make ratsalad of your computers... but nothing has happened to me yet... I'm still searching for the ultimate version - the Space Moose. mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 9 09:28:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:28:38 +0800 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > interesting that you mention the Scientists, when I have never even heard of > them! Who were they? I believe the Hoodoo Guroos (probably spelt wrong) came out of them. William From micci at SCI.FI Thu Oct 9 10:36:22 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:36:22 +0300 Subject: OT: 4th World Message-ID: I receive this in monday: >hi >finally got your parcel away [paid out of my own funds] >i suspect their might be few things not in it tho, >so let me know the score when you get it and i can >get that sorted out as well >cheers >sm at mfr Miikka > Has anyone received their orders as of today (10/8)? > > I am set to email 4th World (now calling themselves MFR) > again, as well as their ISP (pipex.com). In spite of the > assurance that the orders were just about set to go/were ready to > go i've not seen hide nor hair of my stuff, and i haven't > gotten any responses to my queries since... > > perhaps it might help if everyone that has ordered and not > received their goods indicated that they were prepared to > email Pipex as well as Newsgroups where 4th World had > placed adverts... > > feel free to email me directly with any suggestions/info... > > --dave > lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > >> >> >> btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email >> us? >> >> >> >> Miikka Wagner >> >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci >> > no. >> --dave >> > >> nope....i e-mailed the guy again,,,,no response... >> bl >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *TECHNICI?NS OF SP?CE SHIP E?RTH THIS IS Y?UR C?PT?IN SPE?KING Y?UR CAPTAIN IS DE?D* -HAWKWIND- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From mwood at AGILE.COM Thu Oct 9 11:01:38 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:01:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Re Castle version of _Levitation_ Message-ID: Michael S. Habiby wrote: > Marshall Wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if the track "Nuclear Toy" appears on the > > Castle Communications version of _Levitation_? I know it's > > on the Griffin version, but that is not to be had in my area. > > (Anyone seen it in the Boston, Mass. area?) > According to Godwin's book the castle CD doesnt have Nuclear Toy > The Griffen does and you should be looking in the cutout racks > immediatly Marshall as the Griffin releases are on firesale. I just > picked it up for $3.99!! $3.99!! You've got to be kidding me! The only places I've seen this are in importers mail-order catalogs for $15, and I think that if I try to order it, they won't be able to get it anymore, since Griffin has folded. Anyone want to trade - I can still get the Griffin releases of _Choose Your Masques_ and/or _Sonic Attack_ locally, maybe some other Griffins... And Mike, do you know that your message was dated Oct 9, 1996? Had a tough time finding it in my date-sorted inbox! :) MWood From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 9 11:13:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:13:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: It's a small multiverse! Message-ID: I was just in town for a late lunch, and who should I see walking down Monmouth Street but that Michael Moorcock bloke! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Oct 9 11:35:10 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:35:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: It's a small multiverse! In-Reply-To: <01BCD4CE.B59ABDE0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> from "Andrew Gilham" at Oct 9, 97 04:13:11 pm Message-ID: > > I was just in town for a late lunch, and who should I see walking down > Monmouth Street but that Michael Moorcock bloke! > > - Andy Do Not Panic! --dave From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 12:51:21 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:51:21 +0100 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:51:09 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Dave Berry writes: > > > On 09 Oct 01:22, M Holmes wrote: > > > Arrival In Utopia isn't there, my memory was playing tricks. > > > > To be absolutely clear: is the track on this CD the spoken > > "If you want to get into it, you've got to get out of it" ? > > Yes. Yep - this is Utopia. Arrival in Utopia and Utopia '84 are both different from it. confusion! I just got hold of this compilation yesterday and was enjoying it so much I almost missed Bab5 last night. Most of the ambient is on disc2 with the faster tracks on disc1. It's a nice collection and I like the sleeve artwork! On reflection I'm sure Brian Tawn mentioned this in one of his news updates - will have to look back and see what I can find. 8 days and counting. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Oct 9 13:18:48 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:18:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Norwich gig In-Reply-To: <199710082309.AAA19735@camelot.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: Hi Alasdair >Hawkwind - like a flawed jewel. >God I love Hawkwind. >HEMEL 8th Oct 97. What about CRUM ? Is he playing with HAWKWIND on this tour? A good friend who is a roadie on this tour told me this Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 9 14:04:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:04:47 +0800 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? Message-ID: > > > I cannot identify the version of Love In Space or the second version of > Sonic Attack. I guess further checking is warranted but these could be > unreleased versions of the tracks. Maybe these are the tracks from the LIS EP??? William From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 9 14:17:04 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:17:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: <199710090857.SAA07429@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: At 18:57 09/10/97 +1000, you wrote: >At 09:22 AM 8/10/97 -0700, Chris Baxley wrote: >> >>Australia has produced some amazing bands over the past 20 years, but few >>people seem to notice. >> >>Chris >> >>founder, >>E-coli Anti-Defamation League >> > > You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they >were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose Tatoo >and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked the >"flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. > However, I do think there are some un-noticed Aussies in those years too. >I think Cold Chisel, (though I hated them for years) and Australian Crawl >would rank among the standard of some US and UK pop rock. Still, >interesting that you mention the Scientists, when I have never even heard of >them! Who were they? > > Troy How come nobody's mentioned "Hunters & Collectors"? ChrisW *** desdinova at earthling.net *** ICQ 2453162 *** Fenugreek.firefly "Live dangerously! Or not at all." From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Oct 9 17:43:14 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:43:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Norwich gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971009191848.006c2548@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: There was a guy playing keyboards on a lot of songs - didn't recognise him tho. Hairy guy. Hemel? Alasdair On 9 Oct 97 at 19:18, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi Alasdair > > >Hawkwind - like a flawed jewel. > >God I love Hawkwind. > >HEMEL 8th Oct 97. > > What about CRUM ? Is he playing with HAWKWIND on this tour? > A good friend who is a roadie on this tour told me this > > > Bernhard > > -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 9 18:06:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:06:44 EDT Subject: (Fwd) Black Sabbath, #617 Message-ID: Somebody posted the following to the Black Sabbath list: Blue Oyster Cult on Nov. 21st in Bethlehem, PA. (USA) at Lupo's. I'll let you know if Bobby Rondinelli is still slamming the skins for BOC, although from all appearances it seems that he's the one consistently behind the kit during this 'tour'. Also, Buck Dharma has said on the BOC list that the new BOC album will be out in "very early '98." It'll have the two new songs they've been playing, which have been excellent, and much more. First off, anyone heard 'bout this gig? I may be able to make the show. Second, is anyone on the BOC list he's talking about? Is this typical BOC 'promise 'em anything?' This seems to contradict news we got a whole back saying BOC wasn't going to play any more shows til the cd was done. Maybe it IS done. And maybe Cindy Crawford will start returning my calls... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Oct 9 18:20:28 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:20:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Norwich gig (Forward) Message-ID: > >There was a guy playing keyboards on a lot of songs - didn't >recognise him tho. Hairy guy. > >Hemel? > >Alasdair >> >> What about CRUM ? Is he playing with HAWKWIND on this tour? >> A good friend who is a roadie on this tour told me this >> What about other gigs? And has Captain Razzi been at all shows or jsut some. Is the 1st song in sung by him? Accoridng to my borther when he saw them at worthing he didn't remeber any one comnig on (and he left after 45mins). but another psot said razzi appeared in spoken song at start (After intro.) Timmy From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Oct 9 18:36:49 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:36:49 -0400 Subject: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Troy wrote regarding ETL > Typical 80's metal live album. Exactly :-) As for the recent remarks about the cover: I thought it was technically good but distressingly literal-minded. And that picture inside looked like something from Rod Serling's Night Gallery. As for my least favorite rendition of D&S of all time: Eric Bloom's remark about Poughkeepsie evidenced either rampant Spinal Tap-ism or a contempt for the paying fans at the venue. Neither interpretation is particularly pleasant. -Chris From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 10 01:38:03 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:38:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel In-Reply-To: <3A6FFA0504@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Somebody posted the following to the Black Sabbath list: > > > Blue Oyster Cult on Nov. 21st >in Bethlehem, PA. (USA) at Lupo's. I'll let you know if Bobby Rondinelli is >still slamming the skins for BOC >First off, anyone heard 'bout this gig? I may be able to make the >show. Bobby is still the drummer....he's recording with them too... the Lupo's show is listed by Ticketmaster....also I believe there is supposed to be a show in Lancaster on either the 15th or 22nd...not clear which Plus....posted by E. Bloom to AOL: "look for a couple shows in florida...NEXT WEEK. Someone else's shows fell out..so we were offered the dates....Tampa next sat, Pompano Beach on Sunday. (not this coming weekend)" Also, >Buck Dharma has said on the BOC list that the new BOC album will be out in >"very early '98." It'll have the two new songs they've been playing, which >have been excellent, and much more. > Second, is anyone on the BOC list he's talking about? >Is this typical BOC 'promise 'em anything?' >This seems to contradict news we got a whole back saying BOC wasn't >going to play any more shows til the cd was done. Maybe it IS done. >And maybe Cindy Crawford will start returning my calls... > this is what Buck posted to AOL (that's the what they were talking about) "Hi Steve, keep your shirt on, record was 80% done last yr, we're finishing it now, _we'll_ be done with it soon, but it'll be out when you see it in a store. Glad you're listening to 'Revolution'. I think you'll dig the new one, maybe if this was a couple years into the future we could just 'upload' it to all of you folks as soon as it's mixed. Meanwhile, I'll tell Y'all that _I'm_ likin' it.. from the studio 'Submarine' Buck" and for anyone who might think the band might not have a sense of humor about the Spinal Tap-ish drummer problem.....Buck also had this to say.... "I think any BOC coffee table book should have a big board type surface with "Colorforms" cutouts of all the people who've ever played with or been connected with the band. That way, you could create different era BOC's (or create your OWN lineups) and populate the board with your choice of peripheral characters.. BD" From stayer at PI.NET Fri Oct 10 02:00:06 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:00:06 -0700 Subject: OFF: clock (was: HW: Re Castle version of _Levitation_) Message-ID: > From: "Michael S. Habiby" > Subject: HW: Re Castle version of _Levitation_ > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:44:52 -0700 9 Oct 1996? Aha! I couldn't find that one unread message in my inbox, but it was at the top of the list, which is ordered by date... :-) Jerry From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Oct 10 05:27:01 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:27:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: I have a record by a band called Skyhooks, I think it is called Ego Is Not A Dirty Word, they are australian, aren't they ? Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 10 06:51:05 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:51:05 +0100 Subject: Ambient Anarchists (almost) decoded - new versions? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:04:47 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > > > > > I cannot identify the version of Love In Space or the second version of > > Sonic Attack. I guess further checking is warranted but these could be > > unreleased versions of the tracks. > > Maybe these are the tracks from the LIS EP??? Jill has identified Sonic Attack as the version by The Knights of the Occasional Table from Future Reconstructions. Listening to it, I believe that the voice track which has been sampled is the same one used on Sonic Attack on Weird 102. Love In Space seems to be a longer version of the one on the Love In Space album. > William FoFP From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Oct 10 07:37:21 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:37:21 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Yep, Skyhooks are Australian, but not together anymore. There was a brief reunion a year or two or three back. They went for glammish makeup and costumes onstage, but did manage some decent music. "Women in Uniform" still rocks. Two of the band are now "stars" on Oz TV - different shows, though. Don't know about the others. As for the Scientists, I'm not familiar with them either. I can't find my (employer's) copy of Who's Who of Australian Rock so I can't check it right now, but I did turn up on the WWW a discography and a review of a former member (Kim Salmon), and a few references to compilation releases of their genre e.g. Murder Punk Vol 1 & 2. Kim Salmon was in the Scientists and the Beasts of Bourbon, and seems to be having a fair solo career. I'll check the Who's Who when it turns up, but contact me privately if you'd like to hear more about them. Here are some of the url's I found: http://www.ontide.de/glitterhouse/englisch/artists-s01.htm http://www.amws.com.au/s/scientists-d.html http://www.forcedexposure.com/new/97jan1.html Pete. ObCD: Flat Out - Buck D. Got hold of a CD and have been giving it the treatment. At 11:27 AM 10/10/97 +0200, you wrote: >I have a record by a band called Skyhooks, I think it is called Ego Is Not >A Dirty Word, they are australian, aren't they ? > >Kenneth > > >Bishop Garden Records >Box 747 >521 22 Falkoping >SWEDEN >Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 >bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > >The Moor >http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > >This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 10 07:53:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 07:53:42 EDT Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > From: Peter Sondergeld > > Pete. > ObCD: Flat Out - Buck D. Got hold of a CD and have been giving it the > treatment. > Pete, Where'd you get the Flat Out CD? I'd like to order it. My vinyl copy's a little rough... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Oct 10 08:50:50 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:50:50 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 11:27 AM 10/10/97 +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >I have a record by a band called Skyhooks, I think it is called Ego Is Not >A Dirty Word, they are australian, aren't they ? > >Kenneth Oh yeah, and the guitarist from that band is now on a Saturday night comedy show! Just to elaborate, mvh, Troy > > >Bishop Garden Records >Box 747 >521 22 Falkoping >SWEDEN >Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 >bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > >The Moor >http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > >This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Oct 10 08:47:20 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:47:20 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 11:27 AM 10/10/97 +0200, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >I have a record by a band called Skyhooks, I think it is called Ego Is Not >A Dirty Word, they are australian, aren't they ? > >Kenneth Javistt!! They were one of Iron Maiden's favourite bands. They did a Skyhooks cover on the "Killers" album, called "women in uniform"...this was on some versions, not all. Now, their lead singer does television shows about home "handy hints". Troy > > >Bishop Garden Records >Box 747 >521 22 Falkoping >SWEDEN >Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 >bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > >The Moor >http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > >This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Oct 10 12:02:22 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:02:22 -0500 Subject: StrangeDaze 1997 Message-ID: Hi Adam, Thanks for the generous offer, if you still can please send me a copy to: Doug Bates 1624 Lakewood Dr Birmingham, AL 35216 thanks again, -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Erin Marie Moore [SMTP:emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: StrangeDaze 1997 > > Better late than never > > I publish a music review newsletter/magazine every two month's, and > this > issue features Hawkwind's Strange Daze appearance. Also included is a > review of their Coney Island High gig and of the "Love In Space" > single. > > I feel the printed word is neglected these days so I have chosen not > to > post the review here. If this is of interest, emaill your address to > me > privately. > > I will cover the shipping costs for as long as financially possible! > > I remain, > > Adam From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 10 12:10:15 1997 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (Robert W. Prince) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:10:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 minutes from my house) and BOC is subbing for them next Sunday afternoon, October 19th. A minute after i jump for joy (the last time i saw them was at Mr. Laffs in Plantation, FL almost 2 years ago with an Irish guy O'Riley, O'Hara, O'Malley or something drumming), i realize i'll be upstate camping with the kids till late Sunday night. I'd cancel or reschedule the trip if i weren't going with a few other kids and dads who had already arranged for that weekend way in advance. Ahhhh well, screwed by a last minute substitution. Robert From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Oct 10 11:50:29 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:50:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: Troy wrote: >You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose Tatoo > and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked the "flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. > However, I do think there are some un-noticed Aussies in those years too. I think Cold Chisel, (though I hated them for years) and Australian Crawl > would rank among the standard of some US and UK pop rock. Still, interesting that you mention the Scientists, when I have never even heard of them! > Who were they? I guess the Scientists weren't really metal, but had a swampier sound, maybe somewhere between the Cramps and Dream Syndicate? I have the album "Weird Love", which says they were around '82 - '85, from Perth. Some other cool Aussie bands I know (note: some may no longer exist): Celibate Rifles: excellent Radio Birdman-esque punk rock, fronted by the charismatic Damian Lovelock. They used to tour the U.S. and Europe, but I don't know their current status. Lubricated Goat - forget those Marilyn Manson panty waists, this is the real sh*t! Led by the infamous Stu Spasm, they created dark, twisted tunes you'd find yourself humming while sick in bed with the flu. Their 1st release, "Plays the Devil's Music" is a must-have, but everything by them is good. As the store clerk wrote on my copy, "sounds like Beefheart reveling in strychnine poisoning". With ex-members of the Beasts of Bourbon, a psycho-country band (also worth seeking out). Hard-ons - as Jon mentioned, great punk-pop band. Lime Spiders - look for the "Slave Girl" EP. Feedtime - excellent dark creepy psycho rock. Exploding White Mice Cosmic Psychos Grong Grong Fungus Brains and many more I'm sure. They sure come up with some crazy-ass names. Here are some others I've heard of but don't own: Psychotic Turnbuckles Shower scene from "Psycho" Popeye and the Amphetamine Blood Fuckers Enjoy - Chris From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 10 12:26:22 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:26:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: On Friday, October 10, 1997 5:10 PM, Robert W. Prince [SMTP:RBrent1044 at AOL.COM] wrote: > Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, > Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 Is that the same Stephanie Wolf who used to go out with Barnaby Wilde? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 10 13:07:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:07:36 EDT Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > On Friday, October 10, 1997 5:10 PM, Robert W. Prince > [SMTP:RBrent1044 at AOL.COM] wrote: > > Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, > > Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 > > Is that the same Stephanie Wolf who used to go out with Barnaby Wilde? > > - Andy I don't blame Foghat [aka Fat Hog!]...When you start getting billed below Stephanie Wolf, you either cancel the gig or start selling real estate...Can low billing at the chili cook-off be far behind? [apologies to one of our Scandinavian friends]... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 10 13:12:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:12:18 EDT Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: From: "Robert W. Prince" > Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, > Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 > minutes from my house) and BOC is subbing for them next Sunday afternoon, > October 19th. A minute after i jump for joy (the last time i saw them was at > Mr. Laffs in Plantation, FL almost 2 years ago with an Irish guy O'Riley, > O'Hara, O'Malley or something drumming), i realize i'll be upstate camping > with the kids till late Sunday night. I'd cancel or reschedule the trip if i > weren't going with a few other kids and dads who had already arranged for > that weekend way in advance. Ahhhh well, screwed by a last minute > substitution. > > > Robert Man, that is one cold twist of fate! Like handing you a hawaiian spliff then yanking it outta yer hand before you can puff, daddy...Didn't EB say there was another Florida gig too? Maybe you can catch that one... Might actually be a blessing, as they only play 45mins-1 hour at those festival gigs... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 10 13:14:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:14:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > From: Chris Baxley > Troy wrote: > >You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they > were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose > Tatoo > and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked > the "flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. Birdman not hard enough?! Damn, I admire your sense of heaviness! But, yeah, RB are a bit too punked out to qualify, I guess, though sure as hell not lacking in high energy... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From raider at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 10 16:06:27 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:06:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: At 12:10 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, >Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 You sure that's not Steppenwolf? ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU Fri Oct 10 16:17:52 1997 From: bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU (Benjamin Cash) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:17:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19971010160500.4857bf50@pop.pipeline.com> from "Brian Frenck" at Oct 10, 97 04:06:27 pm Message-ID: > >Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, > >Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 > > You sure that's not Steppenwolf? Steppenwolf would make a lot more sense given that BOC was touring with them over the summer... Ben From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 10 21:37:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:37:39 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: On fre 10 okt 1997 16.17 "Benjamin Cash" wrote: > Steppenwolf would make a lot more sense given that BOC was touring with > them over the summer... Speaking of which, are copies of that Summer Daze CD still lurking around? Cheers, Carl ObCD: Geezer, _Black Science_ ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From ChStier at AOL.COM Fri Oct 10 16:50:59 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:50:59 -0400 Subject: HW:Lemmy at Disneyland Message-ID: Hi folks, Over on www.Hawkwind.com, there are new details on the Live '74 album which says it will have unreleased Barney Bubbles art plus some photos of Lemmy at Disneyland during that tour... I'd give my left nut to see him in those Mickey Mouse ears... Chris From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Oct 10 21:42:38 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:42:38 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 01:14 PM 10/10/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >> From: Chris Baxley > >> Troy wrote: >> >You mention some greats, like the Saints, and Radio Birdman, yeah, they >> were OK, but never filled the gap of being "hard" enough. Perhaps Rose >> Tatoo > and AC/DC best filled that. Also, to a certain extent, they lacked >> the "flair and finesse" of the US pop rockers. >Birdman not hard enough?! Damn, I admire your sense of heaviness! >But, yeah, RB are a bit too punked out to qualify, I guess, though >sure as hell not lacking in high energy... > Yeah RB kicked ass live! Hmmmm, and they cover Dominance and submission too! Ever heard of the Angels (known in the US as Angel City) now THEY were hard and slaughtered all live! Troy >theo > >*************************************** > >"It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." > >--V. Vega > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From makmorn at QIS.NET Sat Oct 11 07:49:09 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:49:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: <199710110142.LAA10489@shell-01.webconcept.com.au>; from Troy Harris on Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 11:42:38AM +1000 Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 11:42:38AM +1000, Troy Harris said: > > Ever heard of the Angels (known in the US as Angel City) now THEY were > hard and slaughtered all live! Flashback... Hazy memories of my youth. :) I picked up "Face to Face" back in '78 or '79. What a great album. I'd love to get *that* on CD. Fat chance, I guess. There was a song called ~"Long Line" that got radio play on the AOR station in my town, but the whole album rocked, and the lyrics were quite clever. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Oct 11 10:50:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:50:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock In-Reply-To: <8825652C.0054F25B.00@mailgw1.sonymusic.com> Message-ID: At 08:50 10/10/97 -0700, Chris Baxley wrote: >Cosmic Psychos Cosmic Psychos rule!!!! I have their "Self Totalled" CD and wholeheartedly recommend it... anti social music at its best! >and many more I'm sure. There was Ratcat who had a Ramones-esque hit in Europe some years ago - I had the CD but traded it off not long after, pretty instant but ultimatetely throwaway appeal. Also there's a band called Dead C from NZ which play sort of free-form noisey droney music... and Daevid Allen (Gong) is of course an expatriate Australian. I'm sure it's been mentioned, but in case not, there's of course Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party from Australia as well. Christian From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Oct 11 09:58:43 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:58:43 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 07:49 AM 11/10/97 -0400, Daniel Ligon wrote: >On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 11:42:38AM +1000, Troy Harris said: >> >> Ever heard of the Angels (known in the US as Angel City) now THEY were >> hard and slaughtered all live! > >Flashback... Hazy memories of my youth. :) Me too. > >I picked up "Face to Face" back in '78 or '79. What a great album. I'd >love to get *that* on CD. Fat chance, I guess. Easy to get here in Aust on CD. Maybe I can help you! It is a great album. > >There was a song called ~"Long Line" that got radio play on the AOR >station in my town, but the whole album rocked, and the lyrics were >quite clever. "A brand new suit of clothes for a very special day". Yeah cool. Troy > > >-- >Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net > >The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will >tell if the riddle will begin. > > -- Albert > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 11 10:38:02 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:38:02 +0800 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock Message-ID: Hi all As it has already been mentioned here of what ex-members of Skyhooks are doing now, and how in many ways it's a reversal of what they started out as, I thought it might be interesting to find out what unusual career moves other ex-rock stars have taken. The lead vocalist of another Aussie band, Rose Tattoo, is now doing a lot of daytime TV, as well as an 'Anneke Rice' impersonation (the Brits will know who I am referring to), by doing shows where he runs around the country in the limitation of an hour long TV show, trying to do things such as organise a fund raising event. And Peter Garrett, lead singer with Midnight Oil, is into politics (though maybe not too high a profile now). William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 11 10:21:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:21:19 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig Message-ID: I don't suppose any other BOC-L'er's were at the outrageous Spiritualized gig at the Royal Albert Hall last night? erm, cosmic, man... -- Jon Browne this morning, feeling a) guilty and b) my age From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 11 11:50:56 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:50:56 GMT Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:21:19 +0100, you wrote: >I don't suppose any other BOC-L'er's were at the outrageous >Spiritualized gig at the Royal Albert Hall last night? I *really* wanted to go.. what did I miss?? Why outrageous? -Steve From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Oct 11 16:53:41 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:53:41 +0200 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: > Javistt!! They were one of Iron Maiden's favourite bands. They did a >Skyhooks cover on the "Killers" album, called "women in uniform"...this was >on some versions, not all. Now, their lead singer does television shows >about home "handy hints". > > Troy I remember that now, I was really surprised that there were more people than me that have ever heard of them, I considered "Horror Movie" for the Moor (my band, that is) once but it never happened. "Handy hints".?.tragic! Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat Oct 11 21:46:25 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:46:25 +0000 Subject: HW: King's Lynn gig Message-ID: Well here it is, with approximate song timings, as an aid to deciding when to tape flip, whatever. Same as Norwich but with the addition of Ground Control To Pilot - read by Ron and a fat biker with a painted face who seemed to be a member of the audience. Better position for the lightshow - looked great. Corn Exchange has seats, and just about everyoone was sat down throughout. I think it was a better performance than Norwich. Rizz sings about 4 or 5 tunes, including Camera That Could Lie with his own stupid words - "Jump up & down" & shit. At Norwich I'm sure I noticed the lack of keyboard player once or twice at least - tonight I'm sure he played throughout. Aerospaceage Inferno rocked, again, and Ejection was excellent too. Band fairly chatty. Total performance time just about 90 minutes. Don't risk it; use a C100 and flip as soon as you know Aerospaceage Inferno has run down. Best of luck. Also, short ballad-y coda sort of thing after Ejection, don't recall this from Norwich - there they finished in a more typical HM sort of a way. King's Lynn 11/10/97 -------------------------- Instrumental> 4:25 Capt Rizz (Do You Really Care?) 3:55 Warriors> :55 Assault & Battery> 3:15 Golden Void 6:05 Assassins> 2:55 Space Is Their Palestine (Rizz)> 4:50 Assassins 1:50 Rizz (Pleasure Fantasy Desire) 5:45 (~35 minutes in) fast instrumental> 3:25 Love In Space> 2:50 fast bit (Rizz)> 2:15 Love In Space> 2:10 (~45 minutes in) Aerospaceage Inferno> 4:05 (~50 minutes) Sonic Attack 3:00 Blue Skin 5:25 Brainstorm> 3:40 Camera That Could Lie (Rizz)> 4:55 Brainstorm 1:50 --- Reptoid Vision> 9:25 Ground Control To Pilot>Ejection> 7:15 coda 1:30 --- Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sun Oct 12 11:28:55 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:28:55 -0400 Subject: OT: 4th World In-Reply-To: <199710091436.RAA24615@ds9.sci.fi> from "Miikka Wagner" at Oct 9, 97 05:36:22 pm Message-ID: hullo miikka-- did you actually recieve the package?? still have not received any email (or my records...) :-( cheers ---dave > > I receive this in monday: > > >hi > > >finally got your parcel away [paid out of my own funds] > >i suspect their might be few things not in it tho, > >so let me know the score when you get it and i can > >get that sorted out as well > > >cheers > > >sm at mfr > > > Miikka > > > > > > > > Has anyone received their orders as of today (10/8)? > > > > I am set to email 4th World (now calling themselves MFR) > > again, as well as their ISP (pipex.com). In spite of the > > assurance that the orders were just about set to go/were ready to > > go i've not seen hide nor hair of my stuff, and i haven't > > gotten any responses to my queries since... > > > > perhaps it might help if everyone that has ordered and not > > received their goods indicated that they were prepared to > > email Pipex as well as Newsgroups where 4th World had > > placed adverts... > > > > feel free to email me directly with any suggestions/info... > > > > --dave > > lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > > > >> > >> >> btw. Has anyone get they vinyls in 4th world since that they email > >> us? > >> >> > >> >> Miikka Wagner > >> >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci > >> > no. > >> --dave > >> > > >> nope....i e-mailed the guy again,,,,no response... > >> bl > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > > > Miikka Wagner > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *TECHNICI?NS OF SP?CE SHIP E?RTH > THIS IS Y?UR C?PT?IN SPE?KING > Y?UR CAPTAIN IS DE?D* > -HAWKWIND- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ > From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Sun Oct 12 17:37:50 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:37:50 -0700 Subject: HW:Ritual of the Solstice Message-ID: Hi all Once again paying attention to the cut out racks has paid off, found the Ritual of the Soltice CD for just $7.99. I have some basic questions as to this album. (if you dont like techno dont get it). 1) Who put this album together? 2) Who are these artists? Knights of the Occasional Table Optic Eye Salt Tank Translucent The Advent Zion Train Utah Saints FYI This is the EBS release with soft cover not jewel case. Look in your local music stores... peruse the low priced racks... In the last two months I have picked up both Griffen and EBS recordings for low low prices. Ever on and on Mike NYC Gig pics still at http://members.aol.com/corwyn1961/index.htm From ike1 at MAIL1.I1.NET Sun Oct 12 23:41:35 1997 From: ike1 at MAIL1.I1.NET (Ed Eichendorf) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:41:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album In-Reply-To: <19971011074909.00804@bran.> Message-ID: > On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 11:42:38AM +1000, Troy Harris said: > > > > Ever heard of the Angels (known in the US as Angel City) now THEY were > > hard and slaughtered all live! > > Flashback... Hazy memories of my youth. :) > > I picked up "Face to Face" back in '78 or '79. What a great album. I'd > love to get *that* on CD. Fat chance, I guess. > Maybe. Ijust ordered "Face to Face" from CD Now for $9.49. It was listed as in stock so I should have it by Wednesday. If you follow the links at CD Now you can go to an Angels fan page via the Ultimate Band List. The album was released in 1980 and _Take a Long Line_ and _Marseilles_ both received a decnet amount of airplay in the Chicagoland area. I can't wait to stick this one in the CD player and crank it! > There was a song called ~"Long Line" that got radio play on the AOR > station in my town, but the whole album rocked, and the lyrics were > quite clever. > > > -- > Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net > > The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will > tell if the riddle will begin. > > -- Albert > > -- Ed Eichendorf ...drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and ike1 at i1.net Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Oct 13 01:42:34 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:42:34 +1000 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock was: Next BOC Album Message-ID: At 09:41 PM 12/10/97 -0600, Ed Eichendorf wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 11, 1997 at 11:42:38AM +1000, Troy Harris said: >> > >> > Ever heard of the Angels (known in the US as Angel City) now THEY were >> > hard and slaughtered all live! >> >> Flashback... Hazy memories of my youth. :) >> >> I picked up "Face to Face" back in '78 or '79. What a great album. I'd >> love to get *that* on CD. Fat chance, I guess. >> > Maybe. Ijust ordered "Face to Face" from CD Now for $9.49. It was >listed as in stock so I should have it by Wednesday. If you follow >the links at CD Now you can go to an Angels fan page via the Ultimate >Band List. The album was released in 1980 and _Take a Long Line_ and >_Marseilles_ both received a decnet amount of airplay in the >Chicagoland area. I can't wait to stick this one in the CD player and >crank it! Shadow Boxer also got airplay in the USA, and how many Angels songs were covered by Great White? Two, or three? I also think thet they co-wrote a couple with the Brewsters. Troy > >> There was a song called ~"Long Line" that got radio play on the AOR >> station in my town, but the whole album rocked, and the lyrics were >> quite clever. >> >> >> -- >> Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net >> >> The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will >> tell if the riddle will begin. >> >> -- Albert >> >> >-- >Ed Eichendorf ...drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and >ike1 at i1.net Desdinova, the foreign minister. These treaties founded a > secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil. > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 04:29:33 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:29:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Colchester gig (& support band) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 12 Oct 1997 01:46:25 -0000." <199710120048.BAA09645@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: Nipped on down to the Colchester gig friday night. Pretty good gig, solid playing and no tedious dancers onstage. Very few people there though, which must of seemed a bit disappointing for the band. I thought the presence of Crum might get Dave out from behind his console but that didn't happen. The evenings bonus was my SO enjoying Brainstorm, which is pretty impressive given our err, differing musical tastes. :-) Anyways, is the support band the same each night? I caught the tail end of the guys at Colchester and they sounded really interesting - gtr, keys, two basses at some points and drums. They did spacey fuzzed instrumentals something like Strobe / Labradford. Any idea who they were ? cheers, Tim ObFilm: Lost Highway From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Oct 13 04:40:14 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:40:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Aussie rock Message-ID: > > The lead vocalist of another Aussie band, Rose Tattoo, is now doing a lot of > daytime TV, as well as an 'Anneke Rice' impersonation (the Brits will know > who I am referring to), That'd be "Angry" Anderson then. Who, after being pictured in Kerrang! magazine picking his teeth with a penknife declaring "Toothbrushes? They're just for Pommie poofters" ended up doing the Kylie and Jason wedding theme for Neighbours. Twat. And our MD's PA used to tour manage them. Cheers, Rich. ** Hungover like a bastard ** From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Oct 13 07:14:32 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:14:32 +0100 Subject: HW:Tour news/reviews Message-ID: Hello all, after returning from 2 weeks hols, I'm reet chuffed to see the Croydon gig is *CONFIRMED* for 29/10. Is anyone else going ? Also, any reviews of this tour so far ? (esp Dracfest, which I couldn't make due to the car breaking down :( ) Cheers From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 13 07:56:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:56:36 EDT Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: >> From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On fre 10 okt 1997 16.17 "Benjamin Cash" wrote: > > Steppenwolf would make a lot more sense given that BOC was touring with > > them over the summer... > > Speaking of which, are copies of that Summer Daze CD still lurking > around? > > Cheers, > Carl Summerdaze is pretty much readily available: Catalog number: CMC 06076-86213-2 theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Oct 13 08:49:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:49:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: Love In Space Message-ID: FWD: >>>Dear Earthling, >>>Hello, I am a creature from a galaxy far away, visiting your >>>planet. >>>I have transformed myself into this text file. As you are reading >>>it, I am having sex with your eyeballs. I know you like it because >>>you are smiling. Please pass me on to someone else because I'm >>>really HORNY. >>> >>> >>>------- End of Forwarded Message >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 05:45:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:45:20 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: <343fa034.4709987@sdps.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <343fa034.4709987 at sdps.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:21:19 +0100, you wrote: > >>I don't suppose any other BOC-L'er's were at the outrageous >>Spiritualized gig at the Royal Albert Hall last night? > > >I *really* wanted to go.. what did I miss?? > >Why outrageous? > > >-Steve Well, *Hallo* Steve!! Fancy seeing you here. ICU page is looking pretty damn sharp at the moment, I must say. Oh, I just mean outrageous as in outrageously good. Epic, in fact. Great cosmic wob-out out, full gospel choir, great lights, balloons, no security so I climbed up the speaker stack during "Come Together", (well, I had to get my head in the bass bins for that one!) Good party afterwards, (no security again) with so much free beer that I took a few cans (like 15) home. So did everyone else. Barrowloads of it. Didn't make it to work in the morning, (sorry I missed you Chris!) which is *highly* unusual. -- Jon Browne From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Mon Oct 13 10:48:27 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:48:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... In-Reply-To: <01BCBFC8.B6934340@dynamic-4.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: How do I tell if a CD I have is a remaster? How do I tell if a CD in a catalog somewhere is a remaster? If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? Thanks. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Oct 13 10:59:59 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:59:59 -0700 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: Yo folks: You've been some busy goobers while I was away. Couple of random catch up points.... John Swartz - You remain an amazing guy. No one should doubt your appreciation of BOC music. How you maintain an objective point of view through it all amazes me. Bolle - So the Curator hates ETL? I don't think this is so strange. Bolle has so much BOC live music from so many different eras he has a lot to compare it too. I used to think that Feet/Knees was the ultimate BOC live offering, until I heard the Thing. Problem is we can't all afford or find the boots so if all you can get is Feet, SEE and ETL you have very little to compare them too. Remember also ETL is a product oif a record company (read editing, marketing) while Boots are usually one spontaneous show. Its apples and oranges in a way. Back on the Road?- A good sign but wasn't EW just about finished any way? Mabey it is finally finished ready to be printed, and shipped. Good news indeed. Another BOC Comp/Bolle unofficial Live comp - Yawn yet another BOC comp from someone who has no idea how to meld one of these things. Man they can't come up with a good play order let alone the right songs. As for Bolle's materials being used for a fan club only available cd, thats not likely. Wouldn't there be legal/redtape/royalties and other such problems? Who would pay the printing costs if it were free to members of the fan club? Don't think Eric and Buck are willing to go that deep into their pockets. Nice thought but highly unlikely. Australian Bands - Is there a metal group from down under called Bengal Tigers or something like that? Met some people stateside who swear this band can rip with the best of them. Whats tBS up to these days? Hopefully Al is secretly working on the full length, deluxe, master addition of Imaginos...to be ready by X-mas 8>). L8er lil' ab OBCD - Edge of Thorns, Savatage From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 11:06:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:06:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? Message-ID: The tour dates now list the support bands. The Cardiacs are apparently still playing one date (Stoke-on-Trent). Spacehead and Tribe Of Cro (both EBS bands) are playing several gigs each. The Scottish gigs (and some others) feature Interstella, who I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me more? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Oct 13 11:24:49 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:24:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: shows and the wheel Message-ID: >Get this. Foghat drops out of the REO Speedwagon, Edgar Winter Group, >Stephanie Wolf (?) concert lineup at the Pompano Beach Ampitheatre (10 >minutes from my house) and BOC is subbing for them next Sunday afternoon, >October 19th. A minute after i jump for joy (the last time i saw them was at >Mr. Laffs in Plantation, FL almost 2 years ago with an Irish guy O'Riley, >O'Hara, O'Malley or something drumming), i realize i'll be upstate camping >with the kids till late Sunday night. I'd cancel or reschedule the trip if i >weren't going with a few other kids and dads who had already arranged for >that weekend way in advance. Ahhhh well, screwed by a last minute >substitution. Pompano Beach.... I'm there. THe last time I saw them was also at Mr. Laff's... (Sunrise, Plantation, whatever). I was just camping upstate this past weekend, upstate. Thanks for the info... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 13 11:53:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:53:01 EDT Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Another BOC Comp/Bolle unofficial Live comp - Yawn yet another BOC comp > from someone who has no idea how to meld one of these things. Man they > can't come up with a good play order let alone the right songs. As for > Bolle's materials being used for a fan club only available cd, thats not > likely. Wouldn't there be legal/redtape/royalties and other such > problems? Who would pay the printing costs if it were free to members > of the fan club? Don't think Eric and Buck are willing to go that deep > into their pockets. Nice thought but highly unlikely. > Most bands that do fan-club-only stuff charge the fan club members for them. I don't think anyone would expect it for free. And that being the case, Sony or whomever could get their pound of flesh for such an enterprise. Rights to the songs? Could be a stumbling block, though BOC does 'own' some of their own songs, right? I believe that's what was behind the song selection for Cult Classic. Otherwise, you get put in the awkward position of paying someone else for the privilege of releasing a recording of a song that you actually wrote! Anyone ever heard of CCR? And ya know, none of this stopped Al from releasing Career of Christmas. Now, could be he still owns the rights for the BOC songs that appeared on that tape... As AB suggests, Al has been conspicuously silent lately. What's up Al? And Al, who made you the guitar that you're playing on the cover of the new Sony Compilation, Don't Fear the Reaper? Is that a Giuliano creation? theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 13 11:55:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:55:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... Message-ID: > From: Joseph Malcolm > How do I tell if a CD I have is a remaster? How do I tell if a CD in a > catalog somewhere is a remaster? > If it's a remaster, they'll usually brag about it as a selling point. Otherwise, it'll usually cost more than a regular recording. Beyond that, I can't help ya... > If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? > > Thanks. not sure about that. What's the context? theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Oct 13 12:58:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:58:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... In-Reply-To: <199710131448.KAA13320@nodens.uraeus.com> Message-ID: At 10:48 13/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >How do I tell if a CD I have is a remaster? It will be written somewhere on the CD/packaging that it is remastered. Sometimes on cheap compilations it won't be indicated (like the "Best of Hawkwind" CD) > How do I tell if a CD in a >catalog somewhere is a remaster? If you know the catalog # of the remaster(s) (i.e. the number on the spine) or alternatively know which number the non-remaster(s) are. The HW EMI remasters are: Hawkwind: 7243 8 37552 2 6 In Search Of Space: 7243 8 37553 2 5 Doremi Fasol Latido: 7243 8 37554 2 4 Space Ritual: 7243 8 35487 2 9 Hall of The Mountain Grill: 7242 8 37555 2 3 >If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? Sometimes :-) > >Thanks. > > From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Mon Oct 13 12:03:54 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:03:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... In-Reply-To: <94401E571F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: >If it's a remaster, they'll usually brag about it as a selling point. >Otherwise, it'll usually cost more than a regular recording. Beyond >that, I can't help ya... No hints from the catalog number? >> If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? >not sure about that. What's the context? Try searching at CDNOW for "Hawkwind". They list several "limited" things: Choose Your Masques (Ltd Ed) In Search Of Space(Ltd) Sonic Attack (Ltd Ed) Space Ritual(Ltd) These are all about US$30, except Space Ritual, which is US$47. There's also Warriors On The Edge (Box) Any idea for this? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 13 12:27:37 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:27:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Malcolm To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 11:27 AM Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... >How do I tell if a CD I have is a remaster? How do I tell if a CD in a >catalog somewhere is a remaster? You look at the cover and see if there is some blurb like "digitally remastered from the original masters". Or look and see if there is a sticker to that effect, like the re-masters of Genesis. Some artists have had their back-catalogs remastered (early HW, PF, TD, Genesis, FZ, Yes, J-M Jarre, Rush), so you are probably pretty safe in getting the remastered versions from a legitimate source. Used is a whole 'nother story; as if there have been re-mastered versions released, you can bet that there are a bunch of earlier, non-remastered CD's floating around out there in Used-Land. Do you have specific artists in mind? Might be helpful to check in an appropriate newsgroup. >From a catalog? Depends on how detailed the catalog is. I have seen listings on the 'Net that trumpets the fact that the CD's are remastered; others don't say a thing. Guess you can always call/e-mail and ask... among others > >If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? > Maybe, maybe not. Sony did it with their 10-year anniversary of the CD limited masters, and Mobile Fidelity seems to keep their numbers low, but I don't think that there have been any limits placed on MCA's gold remasters. And, as far as I think, if you are going to go to the expense of a remaster, make it available to everyone and at reduced prices to get those suckers (like me) to buy 'em again. My US$ 0.02 >Thanks. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Oct 13 12:55:16 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:55:16 +0100 Subject: tour dates Message-ID: Does that mean the reading gig is back on? And has any one received a refunded because my ticket was brought on credit card and they said they'd refund the money but I'm now wondering if they did and if so is my ticket is still valid? Fortunately I kept the ticket in case it was worth anything. And so instead I was going to see them at the Swindon theatre. However I MUST see them at the Swindon theatre (even though it's an extra cost!) because Harvey is playing. Since I've never seen hawkwind to see Harvey as well would be great. Also has any one seen hawkwind much on this tour, or do you all live i areas where they haven't been playing jet? Because I saw more gig reviews form the USA tour than the British one. Thanks Timmy Langner From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 13 12:47:13 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:47:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Malcolm To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 12:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... >Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 writes: >>If it's a remaster, they'll usually brag about it as a selling point. >>Otherwise, it'll usually cost more than a regular recording. Beyond >>that, I can't help ya... > >No hints from the catalog number? > >>> If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? >>not sure about that. What's the context? > >Try searching at CDNOW for "Hawkwind". They list several "limited" >things: > >Choose Your Masques (Ltd Ed) I think that the only thing that makes this CD and "Sonic Attack" an LTD is the fact that Griffen is belly-up and when these are gone, there won't be any more! But US$30 is a rip-off, since I bought (what I suspect to be) the same CD's from them for around US$11.00 each! Still, if they have 'em and you want 'em and are willing to pay that price, get 'em 'fore they are gone! (Have you checked http://www.rpmrecords.com to see if they have them? They might be a little less outrageous...) >In Search Of Space(Ltd) This one, like Space Ritual are the EMI remasters. Prices are still a little steep, but like I said, if you want them... >Sonic Attack (Ltd Ed) >Space Ritual(Ltd) > >These are all about US$30, except Space Ritual, which is US$47. > >There's also > >Warriors On The Edge (Box) > >Any idea for this? > I don't think that it is a remaster, as the original tapes are lost somewhere. The CD is well worth getting, as it has a nifty little book with it. (Heh-heh, way back when it first came out and was selling for big money, Of Sound Mind in Baltimore was blowin' em out the door at ten bucks or so. It was a distributor screw-up; wish there we more of them, screw-ups like this, that is...) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 11:15:38 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:15:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:06:00 BST." <199710131506.QAA27535@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > The tour dates now list the support bands. The Cardiacs are > apparently still playing one date (Stoke-on-Trent). Spacehead > and Tribe Of Cro (both EBS bands) are playing several gigs each. > The Scottish gigs (and some others) feature Interstella, who > I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me more? Aren't Spacehead the remnants of K-Rel ? They didn't play colchester, but the lead singer (large bald/dreaded guy with flourescents ?) did the pre flight drug check for Ejection at Colchester. What does the list say for Colchester support? If its Interstella - check em out. Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 13 13:24:36 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:24:36 -0400 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: >Whats tBS up to these days? Hopefully Al is secretly working on the full length, deluxe, master addition of Imaginos...to be ready by X-mas I'm paraphrasing, but Al just posted some info to the AOL tBS board saying: 1. New tBS album is done, and will be available in time for Xmas 2. Some November gigs are planned - much to my chagrin, Boston has been dropped (they were planning a 11/14 gig). Check my website for the tour info (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/) that I have. 3. Cult Brothers, er "X Brothers" CD will be available very soon - there's a new website to promote it, but I don't have the URL handy - so far all it has is the (I assume) album cover art and the lyrics to all these songs (they are all new songs, or at least ones that Joe did when touring under the "Cult Brothers" banner). 4. Pete Bohovesky CD (demented guitarist for tBS) is presumably available now - it, along with X Brothers CD will be in the next Cellsum catalog - get on Al's mailing list to stay up to date with this stuff. 5. Pick up the latest issue (November 1997) of "US" magazine (can't miss it - has a scantily-clad Courtney Love on the cover). There's an articl on fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger (brother of tBS guitarist Billy) - there is a picture of Tommy and Billy jamming on guitar from 1995. 6. Here's an interesting review of *Box of Hammers* that Deb recently posted: ... oh s**t, I seem to have misplaced it, and can't get to AOL from work - if someone has it, please post John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 13 13:24:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:24:28 EDT Subject: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here... Message-ID: >>> If it is a "limited" does that have anything to do with it? > >>not sure about that. What's the context? > > > >Try searching at CDNOW for "Hawkwind". They list several "limited" > >things: > > > >Choose Your Masques (Ltd Ed) > I think that the only thing that makes this CD and "Sonic Attack" an LTD is > the > fact that Griffen is belly-up and when these are gone, there won't be any > more! > But US$30 is a rip-off, since I bought (what I suspect to be) the same CD's > from > them for around US$11.00 each! Still, if they have 'em and you want 'em and > are > willing to pay that price, get 'em 'fore they are gone! (Have you checked > http://www.rpmrecords.com to see if they have them? They might be a little > less > outrageous...) > > >In Search Of Space(Ltd) > > This one, like Space Ritual are the EMI remasters. Prices are still a > little steep, but like I said, if you want them... > > >Sonic Attack (Ltd Ed) > >Space Ritual(Ltd) > > > >These are all about US$30, except Space Ritual, which is US$47. > > > >There's also > > > >Warriors On The Edge (Box) > > > >Any idea for this? > > > I don't think that it is a remaster, as the original tapes are lost > somewhere. > The CD is well worth getting, as it has a nifty little book with it. > (Heh-heh, > way back when it first came out and was selling for big money, Of Sound > Mind in Baltimore was blowin' em out the door at ten bucks or so. It was a > distributor screw-up; wish there we more of them, screw-ups like this, that > is...) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com How 'bout CD International? Sometimes they have decent stuff... theo *************************************** "It's legal, but it's not 100 percent legal..." --V. Vega From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 13:23:30 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:23:30 GMT Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:45:20 +0100, you wrote: >Well, *Hallo* Steve!! Fancy seeing you here. ICU page is looking pretty >damn sharp at the moment, I must say. > >Oh, I just mean outrageous as in outrageously good. Epic, in fact. Great >cosmic wob-out out, full gospel choir, great lights, balloons, no >security Ta! ..I still want to get that page better but wheres the time? at the moment I`m pre-occupied trying to make the html that comes on the ICU CD-ROM better, I suddenly realised that if you havn`t got scads of ram some of it will be unusable.. (oop!) Damn, now I really wish I`d gone to that show.. I saw the Geraldine Fibbers at the Borderline last week, they were awesome, not *quite* in the HW mold, but a sonic assault weapon all the same. Nw then, explain this free beer gimmic.. they just finished playing and wheeled tables full of beer into the audience? works for me.. -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Oct 13 14:34:40 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:34:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? In-Reply-To: <199710131506.QAA27535@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: I believe Shaun Ryder's girfriend is in Interstella. She is also the daughter of Donovan Leitch. As to what kind of music they play, don't know. So who is Jack London, when he's not a dead writer? Alasdair On 13 Oct 97 at 16:06, Dave Berry wrote: > The tour dates now list the support bands. The Cardiacs are > apparently still playing one date (Stoke-on-Trent). Spacehead > and Tribe Of Cro (both EBS bands) are playing several gigs each. > The Scottish gigs (and some others) feature Interstella, who > I've never heard of. Can anyone tell me more? > > Dave. > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 472 4782 > > -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Oct 13 15:32:51 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:32:51 -0500 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back In-Reply-To: <199710131724.NAA00974@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >3. Cult Brothers, er "X Brothers" CD will be available very soon - there's >a new website to promote it, but I don't have the URL handy - so far all >it has is the (I assume) album cover art and the lyrics to all these songs >(they are all new songs, or at least ones that Joe did when touring under >the "Cult Brothers" banner). here's the message and address for the X-Bros thing >Subject: X Bros. Web Page >Date: Fri, Oct 10, 1997 19:06 >From: AltBouch >Message-id: <19971011000601.UAA17538 at ladder01.news.aol.com> > >Here's a message from Joe: > >Hi friends, >Just want to let you know that The X Brothers (The new Joe Bouchard CD >>Project!) Web Site is up. The CDs won't be ready for 4-6 weeks or so, >but you >might want to check out the site in the meantime. > >The address is: >http://w3.nai.net/~xbros/ >6. Here's an interesting review of *Box of Hammers* that Deb recently >posted: > >... > >oh s**t, I seem to have misplaced it, and can't get to AOL from work - if >someone has it, please post > here it is John >Subject: Review from the Seattle Rocket >Date: Fri, Oct 10, 1997 16:19 >From: TheNuDeb >Message-id: <19971010211901.RAA09467 at ladder02.news.aol.com > >Date: Wed, Oct 8, 1997 4:51 PM EDT >From: ROCKRGRL >Subj: Rocket Review >To: TheNuDeb > >The Brain Surgeons >Box of Hammers > >You'd almost expect the Brain Surgeons' record release party to be held at >a >bookstore since they come with as strong a literary connection as you >can get >in rock 'n' roll. Lead singer Deborah Frost is a well-known New >York music >critic, David Dunton, who for years was an editor at Simon and >Schuster, plays >keyboards and sax; and a few of the songs on their debut >release were >co-written by the infamous rock critic R. Meltzer. But if >that description >makes you expect something as hideous as the Dave Marsh/Dave Barry band >the >Rock Bottom Remainders, think again, becuase Frost's other half just >so happens >to be Al Bouchard of Blue Oyster Cult, and for that reason >alone, this CD >rocks. The lyrics are short and punchy and don't run on >the way my reviews do. >In fact, the best song is "Overture," which has >only a couple of lines of >lyrics and mostly consists of the kind of huge, >orchestral sounds that >you got from B.O.C. right before they tore your head off. Other than hard >rock, >guitar pop (producer whiz Don Fleming guests on three songs and >even plays >theremin for all you Jimmy Page fans out there) and power pop >(they cover a >Dwight Twilley song). My only real criticism---and I better >have some >considering these are rock critics we're talking about---is >that the CD has so >many different styles of music on it (and so many >different instruments, >including trumpet, clarinet, banjo and the aforementioned theremin) that >each >song sounds like it's from a different band. But is that a bad >thing? You be >the critic. > >Charles R. Cross Ted talger at pipeline.com obwhatever: my Zoom 505 pedal! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Oct 13 14:45:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:45:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Warrior box/book? (Re: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here...) In-Reply-To: <01bcd7f7$a92ca2e0$1282d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: At 12:47 13/10/97 -0400, Craig Shipley wrote: >>Warriors On The Edge (Box) >> >>Any idea for this? >> >I don't think that it is a remaster, as the original tapes are lost >somewhere. >The CD is well worth getting, as it has a nifty little book with it. Which book is this? Is it Godwin's Collector Guide that also came with California Brainstorm or a Hawklords novel? Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Oct 13 14:43:17 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:43:17 +0800 Subject: HW: Warrior box/book? (Re: HW: Still looking for those OOP CD's? Check here...) Message-ID: >Which book is this? Is it Godwin's Collector Guide that also came with >California Brainstorm or a Hawklords novel? > >Christian > Yep, it is the same book. William From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Oct 13 18:12:28 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:12:28 +0100 Subject: HW:Tour news/reviews In-Reply-To: <199710131114.MAA04420@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: Neil wrote: >Hello all, >after returning from 2 weeks hols, I'm reet chuffed to see the Croydon gig is >*CONFIRMED* for 29/10. Is anyone else going ? >Also, any reviews of this tour so far ? (esp Dracfest, which I couldn't make due >to the car breaking down :( ) >Cheers > If it's confirmed, I guess I'll be there (I live near Purley)... Look out for a "Cerebus" T-shirt. ChrisW *** desdinova at earthling.net *** ICQ 2453162 *** Fenugreek.firefly "Live dangerously! Or not at all." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Oct 13 18:14:54 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:14:54 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: JonB wrote: >Good party >afterwards, (no security again) with so much free beer that I took a few >cans (like 15) home. So did everyone else. Barrowloads of it. Didn't >make it to work in the morning, (sorry I missed you Chris!) which is >*highly* unusual. Ahah - now I understand *grinz... ChrisW P.S. R U going to Croydon? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Oct 13 18:41:36 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:41:36 -0600 Subject: Il Grande Rock CD In-Reply-To: <199710081239.IAA08660@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Astronomy is NOT live. I have a morning Final issue to use as a reference. The only live tune is Joan Crawford. What else is new with you?? Thanks....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Oct 13 20:11:35 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:11:35 +1000 Subject: OFF: The Scientists Message-ID: I missed this one the other day when I looked. I hope it's not too long for everyone. The URL is Pete. [Image] THE ROUGH GUIDE TO ROCK THE SCIENTISTS --------------------------------------------- Formed Perth, Australia, 1978; split 1981; re-formed 1982; finally disbanded 1987. --------------------------------------------- Perth is the most isolated city in the world - 2000 miles of desert separate it from its closest neighbour, and as that's Adelaide the drive is hardly worth it. Emerging from a music scene as barren as its environs, The Scientists - James Baker (drums), Kim Salmon (guitar/vocals), Boris Sujdovic (bass) and Rod Radalj (guitar) - drew on the power and attitude of the New York Dolls, Heartbreakers and early Flamin' Groovies, and the earthy R&B melodies of the Troggs, Kinks and Stones. Their songs were Larry Page-esque: "Kinda Girl", "Pretty Girl", "That Girl", "Girl", and the two-chord epic, "Baby, You're Not For Sale". Squabbles about clothing led to Sujdovic's departure during the recording of "Frantic Romantic" (1979), the debut single. Radalj left out of loyalty to Sujdovic and probably, judging by Salmon's penchant for pink Peter Noone shirts, sympathy for his cause. Denis Byrne filled in on bass and the record received glowing reviews in the UK and US. Greg Shaw bought a few hundred for his fledgling BOMP label. A revamped line-up of Salmon, Baker, Ian Sharples (bass) and Ben Juniper (guitar) subsequently billed themselves as 'The Legendary Scientists: BOMP Recording Artists'. Juniper brought tough, Kinky, Beatle-ish harmonies to such tunes as "She Said She Loves Me" and "We'll Get Back Together Again" and augmented them with neat guitar pieces on the group's EP Last Night, particularly the title track, which the group performed on Countdown (Australia's chart show). When Juniper departed in 1980, The Scientists continued as a three-piece with Salmon amply filling the guitar gap on the feedback-teetering rousers: "Teenage Dreamer", "It'll Never Happen Again" and "High Noon". However, the band finally split later that year and issued The Scientists (the 'Pink' album) posthumously. Baker joined Rod Radalj in The Hoodoo Gurus, and Salmon formed Louie Louie with drummer Brett Rixon. In 1982 the Scientists Mark 2 appeared in Sydney, comprising Salmon, Sujdovic, Brett Rixon and Tony Thewlis (guitar). They began again playing raucous pop - "The Land That Time Forgot", "Swampland" and "Teenage Dreamer"- but this soon mutated into a truly wild, pop-tinged raucousness. Giving these guys songs like "When Worlds Collide" and "Rev Head" was like giving The Stooges arc-welders for Christmas. With a fashion sense plummeting into the crater left by the music (they had the longest hair, lowest-slung trousers and tackiest shirts in town), they were difficult to ignore. Although live shows teetered on the brink of chaotic implosion, the new band's first single, "This Is My Happy Hour"/"Swampland" (1982) harked back to the R&B/pop roots they seemed to be abandoning. On their EP, Blood Red River, and single, "We Had Love" (1983), they hinted at their erratic best: Salmon whispered and howled like some schizoid scanner with the jitters; Sujdovic got monomaniacally fixed on a two-note riff; Rixon, once described as 'an assembly line misfit blankly contemplating murder', sounded like he was punching the holes in Monaro head-gaskets; and Thewlis seemed to be test-driving a nuclear Hoover to clear up the mess. Moving to London, the band recorded You Get What You Deserve (1985), an organized, crystallized, pure record. Each song had the unique Scientists imprint: mountains of fuzz guitar, John Fogerty-inspired twang, and inventive, deceptively simple rhythms. Success loomed and Rixon, with impeccable timing, quit. With drummer Leanne Chock, the band released an LP of re-recordings, Weird Love (1986), with one 'new' song, a version of Nancy Sinatra's "You Only Live Twice". Then, when Sujdovic also quit, Salmon, Thewlis and drummer Nick Combe recorded a final LP, The Human Jukebox (1987), toured Australia with Rixon playing bass, and called it a day. Salmon formed Kim Salmon & The Surrealists; Boris Sujdovic formed the Dubrovniks with James Baker and Rod Radalj; Tony Thewlis formed The Interstellar Villains; Brett Rixon died of a heroin overdose on Christmas Eve 1993. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Image] Absolute (1991; Sub Pop). A comprehensive selection of The Scientists (MK II) from "Swampland" to The Human Jukebox, including the magnificent, sprawling "Backwards Man". At some desert crossroad, the weedy, high-speed drill bit of "Rev Head" screams towards collision with the Mack truck roo-bar of "Demolition Derby". Who would argue with these guys? Danella Taylor --------------------------------------------- UP | ROCK HOMEPAGE | COMMENTS Taken from the Rough Guide to Rock. ? Rough Guides Ltd. First edition published Aug 96 / Nov 96 (USA). Distributed by Penguin. WEB MASTER: Al Spicer. DESIGN AND SCRIPTING Henry Iles & Ben Rudder. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Oct 13 22:14:47 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:14:47 +1000 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: At 01:24 PM 13/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >5. Pick up the latest issue (November 1997) of "US" magazine (can't miss >it - has a scantily-clad Courtney Love on the cover). There's an articl on >fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger (brother of tBS guitarist Billy) - there is >a picture of Tommy and Billy jamming on guitar from 1995. How different is this from the "Playboy" article? Must have been the October issue. I stumbled onto an excerpt of the published piece at the Playboy website while surfing. I can't tell you who was on the cover, though. There were several references to Tommy's famous musical friends but I didn't see Billy's name mentioned. But because it was only part of the whole thing, I wondered if he was named in a part that was left out. Pete. That time it really was an accident that I happened to be looking there ;) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Oct 14 03:48:05 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:48:05 +1000 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: At 07:59 AM 13/10/97 -0700, lil' ab wrote: >Yo folks: >Australian Bands - Is there a metal group from down under called Bengal >Tigers or something like that? Met some people stateside who swear this >band can rip with the best of them. >L8er >lil' ab > >OBCD - Edge of Thorns, Savatage I'm not familiar with them so I can't help you with any opinions, but I just found their official web site if you want to take a look. Features some tracks that you can download, and pretty well anything you could possibly want to know. It's at Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 14 05:01:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:01:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? In-Reply-To: <199710131737.SAA19085@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: In article <199710131737.SAA19085 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes >I believe Shaun Ryder's girfriend is in Interstella. She is also the >daughter of Donovan Leitch. As to what kind of music they play, don't >know. Off the top of my head, that's Intastella. Probably just a typo, you never know though. Intastella are suing Shaun at the moment. It's his brother Paul, that's married to Donovan's daughter. Dance/Techno (wot did you expect? Vardis? Doll by Doll? *grin*) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 14 04:56:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:56:47 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971013231454.006ac33c@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19971013231454.006ac33c at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes > Ahah - now I understand *grinz... >ChrisW > >P.S. R U going to Croydon? I don't think I could take the "big-liver" I've been really overdoing it recently... :/ I'll be at Shepherd's Bush though! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 14 04:54:41 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:54:41 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized Gig In-Reply-To: <34435807.669395@sdps.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34435807.669395 at sdps.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >Nw then, explain >this free beer gimmic.. they just finished playing and wheeled tables >full of beer into the audience? works for me.. Naaah! It was like, the after-show party. When I said no security, there was one lovely old dear on the door. We got past her by saying "Well, no, we haven't got passes but we've been dancing and my wife needs a drink of water." A cunning plan, eh, Baldrick? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 14 05:03:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:03:55 +0100 Subject: HW:Tour news/reviews In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971013231228.006af028@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19971013231228.006af028 at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >If it's confirmed, I guess I'll be there (I live near Purley)... > >Look out for a "Cerebus" T-shirt. > >ChrisW > Purley? SAY NO MORE! Nudge nudge, Purley, eh? Famous place! Wink, wink, say no more! Are you into photography? -- Jon Browne Sorry, squire, couldn't resist. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Oct 14 08:48:17 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:48:17 +1000 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: At 07:59 AM 13/10/97 -0700, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >Yo folks: > >You've been some busy goobers while I was away. Couple of random catch >up points.... > >John Swartz - You remain an amazing guy. No one should doubt your >appreciation of BOC music. How you maintain an objective point of view >through it all amazes me. > WE love him! >Australian Bands - Is there a metal group from down under called Bengal >Tigers or something like that? Met some people stateside who swear this >band can rip with the best of them. Yeah! Now you're talkin'. These guys have been around for ages, and are an integral part of ye olde Metal scene here in Melbourne. They don't do a lot these days, but they rulled for a while. Yeah they did the leather and chains thing for a while, but they always deliver. A have a cool vinyl item around, too. Sydney's answer to the BTs was "Boss", who also were cool. They are totally defunct now. > >OBCD - Edge of Thorns, Savatage > Taste!! Troy ObCD: Scorpions, Face the Heat. =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 14 09:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:40:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? In-Reply-To: bart's mail of Mon, 13 Oct 97 16:15 +0100 Message-ID: On 13 Oct 16:15, bart wrote: > What does the list say for Colchester support? Tribe of Cro. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Oct 14 11:21:01 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:21:01 -0700 Subject: BOC Catalog Message-ID: Theo>Summerdaze is pretty much readily available: Catalog number: CMC 06076-86213-2 Too bad so many essential parts of their catalog have been pulled. I still need a copy of ETL someday. Theo>Most bands that do fan-club-only stuff charge the fan club members for them. I don't think anyone would expect it for free. And that being the case, Sony or whomever could get their pound of flesh for such an enterprise. Rights to the songs? Could be a stumbling block, though BOC does 'own' some of their own songs, right? But the band would have to pay these upfront costs with the hopes of enough recovery to break even or not lose thier shirts. Theo>As AB suggests, Al has been conspicuously silent lately. What's up Al? Well hopefully he's working on the next tBS disc as well as the Imaginos re-make with members of Savatage augmenting the Surgeons. 8>) Ah stop it people just creating a rumor is all. Still I'd love to hear the full Imaginos with the type of sounds Jon Oliva and Paul O'Neil put into Dead Winter Dead. It would smoke out the entire eastern seabord. With a 110 min tape put DWD on one side and Imaginos on the other and just let it rip. You'll see. lil' ab - the not so gentle avenger From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Oct 14 12:43:18 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:43:18 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 74 Clip! Message-ID: My God! It is everyone's moral responsibility to go and listen to the two clips from Live 74 that are on the http://www.hawkwind.com site. I am VERY excited about this release. Distant Horizons delayed. Again. Hmmm. - Max Wilcox From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 14 12:52:26 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:52:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Who are Interstella? In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:40:00 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 13 Oct 16:15, bart wrote: > > What does the list say for Colchester support? > > Tribe of Cro. They might be worth listening to - I've heard good said of them in the past (although by now they've probably had a complete lineup change and sound awful!) Depends how much of that venue's beer you want to consume before the Hawkwind gig I guess. I don't suppose the Liquid Rooms will have hand-pulled real ale available..... nah - thought not. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Oct 14 15:10:42 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:10:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 74 Clip! In-Reply-To: <01bcd8c0$48861b00$2e916682@default> Message-ID: YES! Very cool. Especially D-Rider, my favorite off the HotMG - Nik sounded all screwy back then too! Good to know. Hoping Lemmy will be wearing Mickey Mouse ears and shaking hands with Goofy too. Christian ObSuck: little letter from the police today... From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Oct 14 16:32:50 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:32:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Some singing fun Message-ID: >Would make an interesting tBS cover I think.... >> >The Marv Albert Theme Song: >> > (to the tune of "Walking in a Winter Wonderland") >> > >> > Lacey things, they're so thrillin'! >> > She don't know that they're missin'. >> > To dress in her clothes, her silk pantyhose, Walkin' 'round in women's >> > underwear. >> > >> > In the store there's a teddy - >> > Little straps, like spaghetti! >> > It fits me so tight, like handcuffs at night, Walkin' 'round in >> > women's underwear. >> > >> > In the office, there's a guy named Melvin. He pretends that I am >> > Murphy Brown. >> > He says, "Are you ready?" I say, "Whoa, man! Let's wait until the wife >> > is out of town!" >> > >> > Later on, if we wanna, >> > We can dress up like Madonna! >> > We'll put on our shades, and join the parade, Walkin' 'round in >> > women's underwear! Mentally Yours, lil' ab From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Oct 14 17:27:20 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:27:20 +0100 Subject: Swansea gig Message-ID: Hi Could somoen please tell if they are going to the Swansea gig and are taping it or if they know someone who is? Thanks Timmy Langner From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Oct 15 03:05:24 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:05:24 +0200 Subject: BOC cover band Message-ID: Hej, I just noticed that on the 25th of OCt that a band will be playing at a club here in Copenhagen called Sputnik and they are a BOC cover band! I might go check it out.. Scott ObCs- Hawkwind- Strange Daze, SHerman, NY 8-31-97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Oct 15 03:09:04 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:09:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Message-ID: Hej, I just got the tapes of HW and NIk Turner from the Strange Daze and I was pretty impressed with the HW set. They were pretty jamming. I don't know about this Capt. Rizz character.. I hope he does not hang around too long or at least does something more interesting... The Nik Turner set (so far) has not been that great. I think the sound mix does not help either as you can hardly hear the guitars at all, mostly vocals... It was cool to hear Nik with HW though. That was as long time coming. Looks like the HW dates in europe are only in HOlland this time around. I wonder why the rest of the tour was scrapped? Doug Smith perhaps.. I sure hope that Ron Tree is right and they can get rid of him.. as he really seems to hold the band back.. SCott ObCD- Scorpions- Virgin Killer R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Oct 15 07:40:41 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:40:41 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: the fall tour In-Reply-To: <199710131724.NAA00974@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Yippity skippity, >I'm paraphrasing, but Al just posted some info to the AOL tBS board saying: > >1. New tBS album is done, and will be available in time for Xmas > >2. Some November gigs are planned - much to my chagrin, Boston has been >dropped (they were planning a 11/14 gig). Check my website for the tour >info (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/) that I have. *be astounded as I perform the ceremonial dance of the rock and roll gods (NOT les Invisibles--Don't want to turn into a buzzardo or anything like that)* I cannot believe they chose lil' old Potsdam over Boston! Either way, I'll be the happiest hep cat on the planet- I go to the state school there:) So far, this is the best music year ever: Got to see Procol Harum's 30th anniversary gig in Redhill, Eng., Going to see George Clinton and the P Funk All Stars, Carmina Burana (courtesy of the Crane School o' Music) and the Brain Surgeons slaughtering innocent ears with funkified metal dervishes of sound!! Life is good. bolt of ungodly vision indeed, Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 15 08:16:14 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:16:14 EDT Subject: BRAIN: the fall tour Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > I cannot believe they chose lil' old Potsdam over Boston! Either way, I'll > be the happiest hep cat on the planet- I go to the state school there:) > > the Brain Surgeons slaughtering innocent ears with funkified metal > dervishes of sound!! > Life is good. > > bolt of ungodly vision indeed, > Jason Jason, Which tBS gig you going to? I'm trying to decide between Potsdam and Elmira--both a haul from Syra., though I think Elmira's closer... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK Wed Oct 15 09:21:07 1997 From: mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:21:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Cardiacs at the Stoke gig Message-ID: If anyone is going to the Stoke gig and planning on recording the Cardiacs, please let me know, as I would love to get a tape of them. Real shame that this is the only date on which they are supporting! Plenty of Cardiacs/HW to trade, including HW from Tunbridge Wells a couple of weeks ago. Thanks Paul Mitchell From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Oct 15 09:32:43 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:32:43 -0000 Subject: BRAIN: Potsdam gigarooni Message-ID: For all you people not in Potsdam, It's about a 2.5 to a 3 hour drive up here from Syracuse, pending whether you get behind a slow driver after you leave 81 and enter the wilds of route 11. If anyone knows for certain whether they're going to go or not, email me and I'll work up directions for ye(though I am not particualry certain about finding parking around the venue- one doesn't worry about those things when one is carless and walks everywhere here). FYI: For those who have no clue why tBS are playing up here (in the middle of nowhere and close to Canada), Clarkson U. is situated in Potsdam- which the mighty FAQ (all hail the FAQ!) states is where a certain Mr. Roeser met a Clayton native named Albert Bouchard. pull the plug-it's good for you, Jason From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Oct 15 09:55:33 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:55:33 +1000 Subject: BOC cover band Message-ID: At 09:05 AM 15/10/97 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: >Hej, > > I just noticed that on the 25th of OCt that a band will be playing >at a club here in Copenhagen called Sputnik and they are a BOC cover band! >I might go check it out.. Don't forget to give a full report! Hej d?, Troy > >Scott > >ObCs- Hawkwind- Strange Daze, SHerman, NY 8-31-97 > >R. Scott Heller PhD >Hagedorn Research Institute >Niels Steensensvej 6 >DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark >(45) 44 43 91 91 Phone >(45) 44 43 80 00 Fax >shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk >Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Oct 15 09:57:40 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:57:40 +1000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Message-ID: At 09:09 AM 15/10/97 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: > >Looks like the HW dates in europe are only in HOlland this time around. I >wonder why the rest of the tour was scrapped? Doug Smith perhaps.. I sure >hope that Ron Tree is right and they can get rid of him.. as he really >seems to hold the band back.. Get rid of who? Ron or Doug? Am I missing something again? Hej d?, Troy > >SCott > >ObCD- Scorpions- Virgin Killer > >R. Scott Heller PhD >Hagedorn Research Institute >Niels Steensensvej 6 >DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark >(45) 44 43 91 91 Phone >(45) 44 43 80 00 Fax >shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk >Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Oct 15 11:43:12 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:43:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Some singing fun Message-ID: Lil AB! While you is a talented dude, no doubt, make sure that you give the proper "props" to the dude what wrote that li'l Christmas (?!?) ditty, what be Bob Rivers and Twisted Radio (Christmas). (Funny that you should bring that song up; I was just thinking of the John Denver parody they did called "D.W.I Colorado", this AM...bad, aint I?) Hey, I'm using Outlook Express to post my mail now. Are any of you having any problems reading this (like getting tons of MS puke at the bottom of the post) or is it plain ol' ASCII? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 5:20 PM Subject: OFF: Some singing fun >>Would make an interesting tBS cover I think.... > > >>> >The Marv Albert Theme Song: >>> > (to the tune of "Walking in a Winter Wonderland") >>> > >>> > Lacey things, they're so thrillin'! >>> > She don't know that they're missin'. >>> > To dress in her clothes, her silk pantyhose, Walkin' 'round in women's >>> > underwear. >>> > >>> > In the store there's a teddy - >>> > Little straps, like spaghetti! >>> > It fits me so tight, like handcuffs at night, Walkin' 'round in >>> > women's underwear. >>> > >>> > In the office, there's a guy named Melvin. He pretends that I am >>> > Murphy Brown. >>> > He says, "Are you ready?" I say, "Whoa, man! Let's wait until the wife >>> > is out of town!" >>> > >>> > Later on, if we wanna, >>> > We can dress up like Madonna! >>> > We'll put on our shades, and join the parade, Walkin' 'round in >>> > women's underwear! > >Mentally Yours, > >lil' ab > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Oct 15 17:06:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:06:53 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Sabbath, Birmingham Dec 5 Message-ID: Anyone else from the list going to be at the December 5th Sabbath reunion concert in Birmingham? Cheers, Carl From kg at THING.DE Wed Oct 15 12:22:56 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (Stalker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:22:56 +0200 Subject: CALVERT MEGA UPDATE: The Collaborators - and more Message-ID: hello all, it was a bit quiet on the Calvert server lately - but today's THE DAY where all will be revealed - everything that was pieced together over the last weeks - its a MONSTER MEGA UPDATE : the new frames-version on the CALVERT COLLAB-O-RELATORS to be found @ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calcoll.htm this features and extended list of the artists that collaborated with Calvert / those who are still performing his works and / or feel themselves influenced by him. included are: Jello Biafra / Brian Eno / Viv Stanshall - the Bonzo Dog Band / Amon Duul 2 - John Weinzierl / ICU / Nik Turner / Pressurehed / Anubian Lights / Far Flung / Lemmy - Motorhead / Arthur Brown / Adrian Shaw / Paul Rudolph - Twink - The Pink Fairies / Adrian Wagner / The Moor / X-NemesiS / Ralph Beauvert / darXtar / Mike Moorcock - and HW...of course. I've collected MASSES of new material over the last months and a lot of it went into these frames. Apart from extended texts on all the artists focusing on their collaboration / relation with / to Calvert AND on their own career - you'll find a great number of pics you've probably haven't seen yet (or at least not in THIS form) - amongst them a lot of new images of Calvert and HW live from 1976 - 78 - make sure to visit also the 3 new pages on the HW / Calvert gigs in 1976 - incl. various new images as well - you can go there from the Collab-O-Relators pages - links are everywhere... the COLLAB-O-RELATIONS frames include also a number of soundfiles: Calvert interviews and lots of soundfiles from the featured artists. Among them you can listen to the first track of the planned ROBERT CALVERT TRIBUTE ALBUM: a cover version of "Hero with a Wing" by Ralph Beauvert. other soundfiles are from X-NemesiS / Farflung / The Moor / Amon Duul & Calvert and more... - plus soundfiles of the raries "Cricket Star" and the original version of STEPPENWOLF by Calvert & A. Wagner. So, I strongly recommend that - if you don't have it by now - you download the Real Audio Player / or Real Player - @: www.real.com bring some time with you when you visit - you're in for a major surf..... and if you survived it ... some feedback is always appreciated. more news on the 'spirit of the p/age' will follow soon. very best, knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's great news!! -- Mike From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Oct 15 20:34:34 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:34:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > > At 09:09 AM 15/10/97 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: > > > >Looks like the HW dates in europe are only in HOlland this time around. I > >wonder why the rest of the tour was scrapped? Doug Smith perhaps.. I sure > >hope that Ron Tree is right and they can get rid of him.. as he really > >seems to hold the band back.. > > Get rid of who? Ron or Doug? Am I missing something again? > > Hej d?, > > Troy who knows? i think maybe he has it in for ron tree and decided to post this here where it was SURE to get back to .. um.. whoever. rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Oct 15 23:02:15 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Long overdue Hawkwind page update Message-ID: Hi everyone, I know there hasb't been much in the way of updates to the Hawkwind pages of late, but finally there has been, however small. First up, I've visually improved the pages featuring Phil Franks' kind additions at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery/Philm/ Second, a big thank you to Joergen Angel for his pictures of Stacia at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery/Stacia/ Enjoy! Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Oct 16 10:45:25 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:45:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Chuck Burgi trivia time Message-ID: Browsing through the colletge radio station's LP collection, I stumbled upon Roger Glover's LP _Mask_. Lo and behold, Chuck Burgi(is that spelled right? either way you all know who I mean) was the drummer. when it was out, the student who reviewd it for the station said it reminded him of the Police. interesting indeed... Jason From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Thu Oct 16 14:38:13 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:38:13 -0700 Subject: OFF: meet me in the bar Message-ID: There are a number of people on this list who will appreciate this..... scorch ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > >> > > >> A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as > > >> the slowest buffalo, and when the herd is > > >> hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones > > >> at the back that are killed first. This > > >> natural selection is good for the herd as a > > >> whole, because the general speed and health > > >> of the whole keeps improving by the regular > > >> culling of the weakest members. > > >> > > >> In much the same way, the human brain can > > >> operate only as fast as the slowest brain > > >> cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all > > >> know, kills off brain cells, but naturally > > >> it attacks the slowest and weakest brain > > >> cells first. In this way, regular > > >> consumption of beer eliminates the weaker > > >> cells, constantly making the brain a faster > > >> and more efficient machine. > > >> > > >> The result of this in-depth epidemiological > > >> study verifies and validates the causal link > > >> between all-weekend parties and engineering > > >> performance. It also explains why, after a > > >> few short years of leaving university and > > >> getting married, most engineers cannot keep > > >> up with the performance of the new > > >> graduates. Only those few that stick to the > > >> strict regimen of voracious alcoholic > > >> consumption can maintain the intellectual > > >> levels that they achieved during their > > >> university years. > > >> > > >> So, this is a call to arms. As our country > > >> is losing its technological edge we should > > >> not shudder in our homes. Get back into the > > >> bars! Quaff that pint! Your company and > > >> country need you to be at your peak, and you > > >> shouldn't deny yourself the career that you > > >> could have. > > >> > > >> ----- End Included Message ----- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 16 15:04:42 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:04:42 +0800 Subject: BOC: Chuck Burgi trivia time Message-ID: >Browsing through the colletge radio station's LP collection, I stumbled >upon Roger Glover's LP _Mask_. Lo and behold, Chuck Burgi(is that spelled >right? either way you all know who I mean) was the drummer. when it was >out, the student who reviewd it for the station said it reminded him of the >Police. >interesting indeed... > Chuck Burgi also played drums for Rainbow when Glover was a member, but I can't remember if it was before or after this album William From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Oct 16 16:54:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:54:30 -0500 Subject: Off: Marv Song Message-ID: >Lil AB! >While you is a talented dude, no doubt, make sure that you give the proper >"props" to the dude what wrote that li'l Christmas (?!?) ditty, what be Bob >Rivers and Twisted Radio (Christmas). (Funny that you should bring that song >up; I was just thinking of the John Denver parody they did called "D.W.I >Colorado", this AM...bad, aint I?) Normally I would give the author proper respect however in this case what you saw is what I got. Co-worker forwarded it to me that way with no acknowledegement. Thanks for inserting here. >Hey, I'm using Outlook Express to post my mail now. Are any of you having >any problems reading this (like getting tons of MS puke at the bottom of the >post) or is it plain ol' ASCII? Finally my old MS Exchange is showing characters I can read. Used to be yours and some others always had a long pool of computer barf dripping at the end. PS: Troy if you like Savatage you gotta check out one of their old albums called Gutter Ballet. Heavy with lots of twisted tunes like Mentally Yours and Thorazine Shuffle. Title track sounds as if it were written for BOC. I listen to it with the lights out and imagine Eric belting the lyrics. Though I'm feeling pretty crappy (physically) at the moment I'm still planning on catching them here saturday. L8er lil' ab "Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick From raider at PIPELINE.COM Thu Oct 16 17:40:19 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:40:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Chuck Burgi trivia time Message-ID: At 10:45 AM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >Browsing through the colletge radio station's LP collection, I stumbled >upon Roger Glover's LP _Mask_. Lo and behold, Chuck Burgi(is that spelled >right? either way you all know who I mean) was the drummer. when it was >out, the student who reviewd it for the station said it reminded him of the >Police. >interesting indeed... > I noticed just a few days while going through my obscure albums that Chuck Burgi played on Glen Burtnick's "Heroes & Zeros" album. He played on the songs: Walls Came Down, Stupid Boys (Suckers for Love), and Heard It On the Radio ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 15 14:28:49 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:28:49 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: the fall tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 07:40 15/10/97 -0400, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >So far, this is the best music year ever: Got to see Procol Harum's 30th >anniversary gig in Redhill, Eng. Curses - i misse that & it's only a cough & a spit down the road... >Going to see George Clinton and the PFunk All Stars Tear the roof of the sucker! (as it were) >Carmina Burana (courtesy of the Crane School o' Music) Way cool - one of my best friends did her thesis on Orfffy-baby >the Brain Surgeons slaughtering innocent ears with funkified metal >dervishes of sound!! And I still haven't heard tBS, but I'm sure I'll love 'em when i do... >Life is good. It certainly is - you lucky boy... ChrisW ObSilence..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Oct 16 18:17:35 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:17:35 -0400 Subject: Off: Marv Song Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 5:23 PM Subject: Off: Marv Song >>Lil AB! > >>While you is a talented dude, no doubt, make sure that you give the proper >>"props" to the dude what wrote that li'l Christmas (?!?) ditty, what be Bob >>Rivers and Twisted Radio (Christmas). (Funny that you should bring that song >>up; I was just thinking of the John Denver parody they did called "D.W.I >>Colorado", this AM...bad, aint I?) > >Normally I would give the author proper respect however in this case >what you saw is what I got. Co-worker forwarded it to me that way with >no acknowledegement. Thanks for inserting here. Figured that was probably the case. Now that the Christmas season is just about "officially" here, look for the Twisted Christmas Box set at your local retailer. It has "Walking 'Round In Womens' Underware" (AKA The Marv Song), "I Am Santa Claus" (to the tune of Black Sabbath's "Iron Man"), "Jingle Hells' Bells" (AC/DC does a Christmas carol!) and a host of others to help youu thru the Christmas season! (The box set has an extra CD in it that has the John Denver parody on it.) > >>Hey, I'm using Outlook Express to post my mail now. Are any of you having >>any problems reading this (like getting tons of MS puke at the bottom of the >>post) or is it plain ol' ASCII? > >Finally my old MS Exchange is showing characters I can read. Used to be >yours and some others always had a long pool of computer barf dripping >at the end. Upgrade to Internet Explorer 4.0 and get the new mail client, which is Outlook Express. MS has gone from offering a bare-bones mail program to one that puts most of the commercial products to shame. And IE 4.0 looks like a Netscape killer (why buy Communicator when you can get IE4.0 fer free???) Off subject: RPM Records has the remastered versions of some of the earlier Porcupine Tree CD's in stock. And go take a look at the Ozric Tentacles listing, too... www:rpmrecords.com ..."Thats' the way me money goes!" >L8er >lil' ab > >"Once again we have blasted the nasal passages of the City clean of the >cloning mucus of evil. Now we can all breath free and easy and smell >the lilacs in bloom. Hello aroma!" - The Tick > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Oct 16 22:57:00 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:57:00 +1000 Subject: HW: Empire gig details??? Message-ID: Hi! Can one of you friendly Poms help Nico out again??? Thanks, Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:42:07 +0200 (MET DST) To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au From: npuchot at pasteur.fr (nicolas) Subject: Nico from Pasteur, France hello paul! still here to receive all the news about Hawkwind!! I need some informations about the 31st october gig in London for the Halloween : I would like to know the Empire address , the phone number to book the tickets and last, at what time will begin the gig? I asked you exactly the same questions last year for the solstice party with ozric in london! 8^) Did hawkwind came in Australia this summer? was it great? thank you very much!! see you soon on the web Nicolas PUCHOT Nicolas laboratoire de parasitologie biomEdicale Institut PASTEUR, 25 rue du Dr Roux 75015 PARIS FRANCE -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 17 04:33:12 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:33:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Mansfield 16-10-97 Message-ID: Went to the on - off - on Mansfield Leisure centre gig last night and to be honest we were prepared to be very dissapointed having seen the set list but we were pleasantly surprised. About 300 people I suppose Leisure centre hall with floor space and some tiered seating at the back so a good view. Crum played keyboards throughout the set Dave played keyboards and guitar hiding behind his stack with Jerry now playing all the solos Ron sang less than I expected and his bass playings OK bbut it was quite low in the mix Capt Rizz wandered on and did three or four bits. Set list was as far as I remember Instrumental Capt Rizz song Warriors Assault & Battery Golden Void Hassan I Sahba - Space Is Their Palestine (Capt Rizz) - Hassan I Sahba Capt Rizz - Pleasure Fantasy Desire ? Instrumental - a fast sort of flashy guitar thrash Love In Space (Brock singing Ron's middle bit) Aerospaceage Inferno Sonic Attack Blue Skin Brainstorm - Camera That Could Lie (Capt Rizz singing ) - Brainstorm Encore Reptoid Vision (Captain Rizz bit in the Middle) About seventy minutes main set and about a ten minute encore. Jerry is a great addition Warriors - Golden Void and Assault and Battery were awesome, I've spent ages wanting them to drop this sort of stuff because I'd heard it too many times but instead they have now started playing them closer to the Warrior versions than I have ever heard and they sound great again. I think that was the high spot of the set - Capt Rizz was a bit annoying, Blue Skin was pretty bad and I didn't think much of Reptiod Vision - but it is always hard to take new stuff in live. The two new instrumentals were both very good. No slides or films - strobe lights and patterns projected onto the walls of the hall. It seemed to have a very seventies feel to it somehow, which is something I've never felt before. Band seemed happy and having fun - Brock spoke more during this gig than in all the other times I have seen them put together. Take Care David From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 17 04:59:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:59:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: meet me in the bar In-Reply-To: <199710161838.LAA00471@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> Message-ID: In article <199710161838.LAA00471 at vampire.Corp.Sun.COM>, John McCartney writes Ah-ha! That explains it! -- Jon Browne From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 17 06:16:58 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:16:58 +0100 Subject: Technicians of Edinburgh... Message-ID: So who from the list is headed for the Hawks in Edinburgh tonight? There'll be a bunch of us in The Jolly Judge before the gig and most likely the Southsider afterwards. To get to the JJ head for the castle on the Royal Mile and just up from Geirge IVth Bridge on the Princes Street side (Deacon Brodies Tavern) there's a close with a sign pointing down it to the JJ. If you see the Ensign ewart pub, you missed it. Catch some folks (Dave?) there hopefully... FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 17 07:37:54 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:37:54 +0100 Subject: Technicians of Edinburgh... In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:16:58 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > So who from the list is headed for the Hawks in Edinburgh tonight? > There'll be a bunch of us in The Jolly Judge before the gig and most > likely the Southsider afterwards. > > To get to the JJ head for the castle on the Royal Mile and just up from > Geirge IVth Bridge on the Princes Street side (Deacon Brodies Tavern) > there's a close with a sign pointing down it to the JJ. If you see the > Ensign ewart pub, you missed it. address in phone book is 7a James Court. jill obnicethought> at this moment in time the Hawkwind bus is somewhere in Edinburgh. Maybe I'll just stroll past the venue during lunch 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Oct 17 09:09:57 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:09:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Message-ID: Please excuse me for sending you this via BOC-l, but I know you're thinking persons with interrest in other things than music. I'm _not_ a nazi - this is for me a matter of censorship/free speach and David vs Goliat (Sweden vs Germany [ie Bayern]). I'm not trying to start an OFF-thread, I just would like to share this information with you. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl >--------pressrelease 14 Oct 1997-------- > > >MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN > >On Monday 13 October a ruling by the Stockholm Regional >Court of Appeal confirmed the sentence by the Stockholm >City Court in the criminal case against book publisher >Kalle H?gglund for publishing Adolf Hitler's notorious book >Mein Kampf. > >The criminal case was opened on request of the Bavarian >Ministry of Finance, which claimed to have confiscated >Hitler's copyright for its own use. This was alleged to >have happened on the basis of Allied de-nazification >legislation. > >THE RULING BY THE STOCKHOLM COURT OF APPEAL > >The legal, copyright matter in the case, according to the >Court, was > > - whether Bavaria has any copyright to Mein Kampf and, > if so, whether this copyright can be recognized as > valid in Sweden. > >According to the Defence, the essential matter in the case >was whether the confiscation carried out by Bavaria in 1965 >was valid in Bavaria and, if so, whether that confiscation >has any effect in Sweden. Both questions were answered in >the negative by the Defence. Since copyright is situated >in each copyright-protecting nation separately, a >confiscation of copyright made in a foreign country, even >if legally made there, cannot be legally recognized in >Sweden. Nor are there any Swedish laws allowing >confiscation of copyright. > >The Defence also referred i.a. to the Berne Convention and >to the war-time law cases of 1941, through which the >Swedish Supreme Court refused to recognize confiscations >made by German authorities to the extent those >confiscations were meant to have effect on property >situated in Sweden. The Defence also referred to an >eqvivalent case in Bologna, Italy, in 1971. > >The matters of the case as formulated by the Defence, >however, were not dealt with by the court, which easily - >although after a spectacularily long time for >consideration - answered its own questions. > >The Court held > > - that the copyright of Mein Kampf was confiscated 'in > its entirety' and that 'the Free State of Bavaria has > acquired it'; 'there is no reason to question the > validity of the acquisition in Germany'; > > - that the confiscation of the copyright and its > acquisition by Bavaria does not conflict with > international law or the Berne Convention; > > - that the confiscation of copyright - or the > forfeiture of such a right as the result of a crime - >is in accordance with the Swedish ordre public only in > exceptional cases; in this connection the Court says > that 'there is an element of moral rights that - > according to Swedish law - may not be transferred at > all'; (the Defence has pointed out that copyright > cannot - at all - be the object of confiscation by > authorities); > > - that forfeiture of copyright can take place as a > consequence of a crime by the copyright-owner, provided > 'the forfeiture is decided because of an act which, > also according to the Swedish point of view, > constitutes a serious crime'; > > - that 'Sweden has recognized the creation of the > transitional constitution /of Germany/ through the > Potsdam-conference in 1945; the laws and regulations > created to liberate Germany from Nazism cannot in > themselves be considered as obviously inconsistent with > the Swedish legal view'. > > - that 'the interests of a personal character which are > attached to this literary work - which after the > decease of the author belong to his heirs - and his > own literary reputation are, considering the > circumstances, no interest worth protecting in this > case'. > >Instead of the penalty of a fine of SEK 5000, valid during >the judicial procedure, the Court of Appeal set a penalty >to the unusually high sum of SEK 1,000,000 (? 100,000), >which is the sum the H?gglund Publishing house vill have to >pay in case it publishes Mein Kampf again. > >As a consequence, Hitler's book, instead of being openly >debated in the political life of Sweden, is likely to be >confined to the marginal neo-nazi circles in Sweden, where >other publications of Mein Kampf all along have been >printed without any disturbance from Bavarian authorities. > >Strongly worded protests were lodged against the initial >proceedings against Mr. Kalle H?gglund in 1994. The >Swedish Writers' Union and the Swedish Association of >Publishers expressed their deep concern. The interference >into internal Swedish affairs made by the German ambassador >and German officials of the embassy in Stockholm have been >pointed out, with references made to Sweden's long >democratic tradition and the extremely succesful struggle >against nazism in the 1930's, which was carried out under >protection of the freedom of speech for all political >views, including that of the Nazis. It was generally >believed that the banning of Mein Kampf in 1994 in Sweden >would be amended by the Regional Court of Appeal in >Stockholm. > >The Defence today announces that an appeal will be made to >the Supreme Court of Sweden. > > > For further information: > Erik G?the Law Firm tel/fax +46-8246004 > > >// > > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 17 09:40:11 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:40:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Message-ID: Hmmmm, this seems to be an issue of COPYRIGHT as opposed to the banning of the book for its' political content. I oppose the banning of any material or free speech, as I feel that one needs to be able to hear or read what people of opposing viewpoints have to say (AKA "know your adversary"). This just looks like money-grubbers in action to me. And, FWIW, I happen to own a pre-W.W.II (1938) hardback copy of Mein Kampf. It is NOT an easy read (don't pick it up to just skim through it). Never have read the whole thing, probably never will... Makes tech manuals seem thrilling... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Wikdahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 9:34 AM Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Please excuse me for sending you this via BOC-l, but I know you're thinking persons with interrest in other things than music. I'm _not_ a nazi - this is for me a matter of censorship/free speach and David vs Goliat (Sweden vs Germany [ie Bayern]). I'm not trying to start an OFF-thread, I just would like to share this information with you. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl >--------pressrelease 14 Oct 1997-------- > > >MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN > >On Monday 13 October a ruling by the Stockholm Regional >Court of Appeal confirmed the sentence by the Stockholm >City Court in the criminal case against book publisher >Kalle Hdgglund for publishing Adolf Hitler's notorious book >Mein Kampf. > >The criminal case was opened on request of the Bavarian >Ministry of Finance, which claimed to have confiscated >Hitler's copyright for its own use. This was alleged to >have happened on the basis of Allied de-nazification >legislation. > >THE RULING BY THE STOCKHOLM COURT OF APPEAL > >The legal, copyright matter in the case, according to the >Court, was > > - whether Bavaria has any copyright to Mein Kampf and, > if so, whether this copyright can be recognized as > valid in Sweden. > >According to the Defence, the essential matter in the case >was whether the confiscation carried out by Bavaria in 1965 >was valid in Bavaria and, if so, whether that confiscation >has any effect in Sweden. Both questions were answered in >the negative by the Defence. Since copyright is situated >in each copyright-protecting nation separately, a >confiscation of copyright made in a foreign country, even >if legally made there, cannot be legally recognized in >Sweden. Nor are there any Swedish laws allowing >confiscation of copyright. > >The Defence also referred i.a. to the Berne Convention and >to the war-time law cases of 1941, through which the >Swedish Supreme Court refused to recognize confiscations >made by German authorities to the extent those >confiscations were meant to have effect on property >situated in Sweden. The Defence also referred to an >eqvivalent case in Bologna, Italy, in 1971. > >The matters of the case as formulated by the Defence, >however, were not dealt with by the court, which easily - >although after a spectacularily long time for >consideration - answered its own questions. > >The Court held > > - that the copyright of Mein Kampf was confiscated 'in > its entirety' and that 'the Free State of Bavaria has > acquired it'; 'there is no reason to question the > validity of the acquisition in Germany'; > > - that the confiscation of the copyright and its > acquisition by Bavaria does not conflict with > international law or the Berne Convention; > > - that the confiscation of copyright - or the > forfeiture of such a right as the result of a crime - >is in accordance with the Swedish ordre public only in > exceptional cases; in this connection the Court says > that 'there is an element of moral rights that - > according to Swedish law - may not be transferred at > all'; (the Defence has pointed out that copyright > cannot - at all - be the object of confiscation by > authorities); > > - that forfeiture of copyright can take place as a > consequence of a crime by the copyright-owner, provided > 'the forfeiture is decided because of an act which, > also according to the Swedish point of view, > constitutes a serious crime'; > > - that 'Sweden has recognized the creation of the > transitional constitution /of Germany/ through the > Potsdam-conference in 1945; the laws and regulations > created to liberate Germany from Nazism cannot in > themselves be considered as obviously inconsistent with > the Swedish legal view'. > > - that 'the interests of a personal character which are > attached to this literary work - which after the > decease of the author belong to his heirs - and his > own literary reputation are, considering the > circumstances, no interest worth protecting in this > case'. > >Instead of the penalty of a fine of SEK 5000, valid during >the judicial procedure, the Court of Appeal set a penalty >to the unusually high sum of SEK 1,000,000 (# 100,000), >which is the sum the Hdgglund Publishing house vill have to >pay in case it publishes Mein Kampf again. > >As a consequence, Hitler's book, instead of being openly >debated in the political life of Sweden, is likely to be >confined to the marginal neo-nazi circles in Sweden, where >other publications of Mein Kampf all along have been >printed without any disturbance from Bavarian authorities. > >Strongly worded protests were lodged against the initial >proceedings against Mr. Kalle Hdgglund in 1994. The >Swedish Writers' Union and the Swedish Association of >Publishers expressed their deep concern. The interference >into internal Swedish affairs made by the German ambassador >and German officials of the embassy in Stockholm have been >pointed out, with references made to Sweden's long >democratic tradition and the extremely succesful struggle >against nazism in the 1930's, which was carried out under >protection of the freedom of speech for all political >views, including that of the Nazis. It was generally >believed that the banning of Mein Kampf in 1994 in Sweden >would be amended by the Regional Court of Appeal in >Stockholm. > >The Defence today announces that an appeal will be made to >the Supreme Court of Sweden. > > > For further information: > Erik Gvthe Law Firm tel/fax +46-8246004 > > >// > > "Byalagen dr redgivare et de politiska ndmnderna, se dr det." -Joachim Hekansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 17 15:19:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:19:12 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Message-ID: On fre 17 okt 1997 09.40 "Craig Shipley" wrote: > And, FWIW, I happen to own a > pre-W.W.II (1938) hardback copy of Mein Kampf. It is NOT an easy read Because it's set in Fraktur? :) Or because Hitler wasn't the most accessible writer? :) I've no idea whether it's in Fraktur or not, though it seemed likely. Cheers, Carl From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Oct 17 10:27:47 1997 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:27:47 +0100 Subject: test Message-ID: Sotty guys this is a test, I haven't been able to mail for at least a month, trying to find out whats wrong. Andy C From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 17 10:47:26 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:47:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 10:39 AM Subject: Re: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN >On fre 17 okt 1997 09.40 "Craig Shipley" wrote: >> And, FWIW, I happen to own a >> pre-W.W.II (1938) hardback copy of Mein Kampf. It is NOT an easy read > > Because it's set in Fraktur? :) Or because Hitler wasn't the most >accessible writer? :) The latter (the book is in English). It has an interesting preface, written by the translator, referring to "troubling incidents on the Continent". Little did he know what was to come... At least the British press was trying to inform the populace of what the Little Corporal across the Channel had going thru his mind... (know your potential enemy). > > I've no idea whether it's in Fraktur or not, though it seemed likely. > No, but it is in tiny print and it is the un-abridged version (this thing is about two inches thick and with NO pictures! :-) ). >Cheers, >Carl > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 17 11:02:40 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:02:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkbus here Message-ID: Yep - it's here - taking up large chunks of Victoria Street and several large black packing cases labelled HAWKWIND are being unloaded. It's looking good....... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 17 11:19:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:19:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's mail of Fri, 17 Oct 97 10:47 -0400 Message-ID: On 17 Oct 15:47, Craig Shipley wrote: > No, but it is in tiny print and it is the un-abridged version (this thing is > about two inches thick and with NO pictures! :-) ). Or conversation? What's the point of a book with no pictures or conversation? Dave (it's a quote...). -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 17 12:47:52 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:47:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkbus here In-Reply-To: <199710171502.QAA24156@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Yep - it's here - taking up large chunks of Victoria Street and several >large black packing cases labelled HAWKWIND are being unloaded. With the usual Hawkwind tour planning genius at 11pm last night it was 250 miles away from Edinburgh so it must have been an early start. David From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Oct 17 16:10:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:10:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN In-Reply-To: <199710171519.QAA19619@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: A landlord I used to have, Larry, used to prop up his airconditioner with his copy of "Mein Kampf". Good for something eh? (that being the book BTW, not Larry :) Christian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 18 11:17:08 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:17:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkbus here In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:47:52 +0100 Message-ID: David Jones writes: > >Yep - it's here - taking up large chunks of Victoria Street and several > >large black packing cases labelled HAWKWIND are being unloaded. > > > With the usual Hawkwind tour planning genius at 11pm last night it was 250 > miles away from Edinburgh so it must have been an early start. Yeah, the gig started just after 8 with no support turning up. Not a few fans missed a large part of the gig. Where were they at 11pm? > David FoFP From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 18 13:22:34 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:22:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkbus here In-Reply-To: <199710181517.QAA21235@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> With the usual Hawkwind tour planning genius at 11pm last night it was 250 >> miles away from Edinburgh so it must have been an early start. > >Yeah, the gig started just after 8 with no support turning up. Not a few >fans missed a large part of the gig. > >Where were they at 11pm? > 11pm Thursday Night after Mansfield gig, what I meant was an early start from down here to get up to Edinburgh for late afternoon. Started in Mansfield early as well- we were out before 10:15 - pubs still open. maybe Brock needs his sleep nowadays. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Oct 18 15:12:51 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:12:51 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze set list? Message-ID: Sorry to aggravate everyone here, but could someone please send me the setlist for Hawkwind's show at Strange Daze? Thanks! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Oct 19 05:05:21 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:05:21 +1000 Subject: OFF: Support wanted Message-ID: Hey All, I know you are all a bunch of activists ... a friend of mine is doing something about being ripped off by a computer dealer. Voices of support welcomed! http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/4245 Sonique -- new ===> http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/tribe/ <=== new Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Oct 19 08:07:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:07:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: MEIN KAMPF BANNED IN SWEDEN Message-ID: Craig wrote: >Hmmmm, this seems to be an issue of COPYRIGHT as opposed to the banning of >the book for its' political content. I oppose the banning of any material or >free speech, as I feel that one needs to be able to hear or read what people >of opposing viewpoints have to say (AKA "know your adversary"). Well, yes - it's a matter of copyright. But according to Swedish law it's _not possible_ to confiscate someones copyright(!): which the Allies did after the war. The state Bayern now claims it has taken over the copyright from the Allies... and it has banned the book (at least AFAIK). I have never read "Mein Kampf" but I have thought of doing it, but one book I have read is Rushdies "Satanic Verses" - what would haev happened if Iran would have tried to stop the publishing of SV in Sweden by bringing the issue to Swedish court? >This just >looks like money-grubbers in action to me. And, FWIW, I happen to own a >pre-W.W.II (1938) hardback copy of Mein Kampf. It is NOT an easy read (don't >pick it up to just skim through it). Never have read the whole thing, >probably never will... >Makes tech manuals seem thrilling... Oh dear. :-) It reminds me of when I just had signed on as a fisherman and one of the guys of the crew was reading "Mein Kampf" and I said to him: "That is really heard to understand" (and I meant the nazism) and he answered: "Yes, Hitlers language is difficult." ... and suddenly I understood why he kept his hair so short. The worst thing was that I had to share cabin with him for quite a long time and almost every evening he played his f**king "sieg heil music" for me. mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From micci at SCI.FI Sun Oct 19 09:50:04 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:50:04 +0300 Subject: off:amorphis Message-ID: Hi! Last night I was watching Amorphis. Gig was magnificent especially encore when they play Levitation :-) Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sun Oct 19 12:18:41 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:18:41 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig Message-ID: Did anyone else at the show think that the bass was almost inaudible? The video I got of the Chicago show has really heavy, loud bass, the way it should be, so I couldn't help but notice that it just wasn't there in Edinburgh... or was it just me?!! Incidentally, I phoned up the Garage in Glasgow a wee while ago to find out what time HW were coming on, and it was Ron that picked up the phone (maybe earning an extra few quid as stand-in secretary!)... so I told him about the bass... he said he'd sort it out for tonight, so let's see! Dave From hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 19 16:51:07 1997 From: hawkus at HOTMAIL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:51:07 PDT Subject: OFF: lookin 4 e-mail address Message-ID: hello, does any1 have the e-mail address 4 doug pearson....? i lost it......... i'd be very thankful.... bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 20 07:16:28 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:16:28 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig Message-ID: Replying to my own thread now... the Glasgow gig did have much improved sound, and a far better light show! Dave >Did anyone else at the show think that the bass was almost inaudible? The >video I got of the Chicago show has really heavy, loud bass, the way it >should be, so I couldn't help but notice that it just wasn't there in >Edinburgh... or was it just me?!! >Incidentally, I phoned up the Garage in Glasgow a wee while ago to find out >what time HW were coming on, and it was Ron that picked up the phone (maybe >earning an extra few quid as stand-in secretary!)... so I told him about the >bass... he said he'd sort it out for tonight, so let's see! > >Dave > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 20 08:06:07 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:06:07 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > Did anyone else at the show think that the bass was almost inaudible? Yeah, I thought the gig was pretty bad except for Golden Void, Aerospaceage Inferno, and half of Brainstorm. The bass was so inaudible in the rest of the show and Ron skipped the key change at the end of Brainstorm (best part of the track IMHO) that I was wondering if Ron could play bass at all. Added to that was a venue with abysmal acoustics and Captain Rizz's inane rantings screwing up great tracks like Space Is Their Palestine. Then there was the fact that there was no support band and Hawkwind came on at just after 8pm ensuring that some fans missed a lot of the gig. Also instead of changing some slow numbers to fast ones to match the mood of an early evening audience, they stuck to the programmed setlist. Definitely one of the worst Hawkwind gigs I've ever been at. Thankfully at Glasgow they were excellent, with Ron well up in the mix. They could still do to lose Captain Rizz, and this time the synths were far too low in the mix, but the gig maintained a mood of early 70's Hawkwind with a lightshow that probably had been rescued from the 70's. Ron doesn't come across nearly as well doing Moorcock tracks as he does doing Calvert stuff and IMHO they should drop Sonic Attack and Warriors because they just seem too weak. Reptoid Vision seems too much like the weaker Alien tracks too. > Incidentally, I phoned up the Garage in Glasgow a wee while ago to find out > what time HW were coming on, and it was Ron that picked up the phone (maybe > earning an extra few quid as stand-in secretary!)... so I told him about the > bass... he said he'd sort it out for tonight, so let's see! Ah! A great big THANK YOU goes to you. If you chat to 'em again, they need the synth up a bit now. Or maybe te high end of my hearing has gone after Friday night... > Dave FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 20 08:08:39 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:08:39 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's message of Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: > Did anyone else at the show think that the bass was almost inaudible? The > video I got of the Chicago show has really heavy, loud bass, the way it > should be, so I couldn't help but notice that it just wasn't there in > Edinburgh... or was it just me?!! Edinburgh came close to being a disaster - I did enjoy most of it (which suggests that the band played well despite the awfulness of the venue, and the sound and the early start) but the place was much too small, the overall sound was diabolical - Richard Chadwick, some keyboards, the vocals (which were clear!) and a dense fuzz were about all that were really audible; the strobes shone directly into your eyes downstairs and any atmosphere was completely lost if you went upstairs to the balcony - I have never before been to a gig where you were blinded by the light of strobes reflecting off the foreheads of the audience........ The set starts slowly - Ron Tree's voice lacks the intensity needed to convey the menace of Warriors but for many of the audience the fact that Hawkwind were doing the track at all was more than sufficient - this is very much a 70s nostalgia tour for most of the first part of the set which is great if they can get the sound right but it's not exactly the liveliest of sets. It's heavy and slowish (even with Hassan I Sahba in the middle of it since Capt. Rizz has turned the lighter, more fluent Space Is Their Palestine into a reggae jive track) right up until Love in Space. This also starts slow but is the most lyrical of all their tracks and has a good middle section and from then onwards the set really winds up. Sonic Attack (if the sound is bad) blurs far too much with Aerospaceage Inferno (the audience is usually cheering wildly by that point and miss the start) but in Glasgow with a MUCH better sound - that is a good venue, I hope they don't close it! - Sonic Attack worked very well indeed, it's the first time I've enjoyed it properly in its current form. Reptoid Vision, as an encore, again starts badly but has a good middle section - this is the one time I thought that Capt Rizz made a positive impact - with Ron Tree in his alien mask and Rizz doing reggae chants - this merged very much better than his attempts to do this with some of the older material earlier in the set. Potentially the set is excellent but there is something wrong with a sound that is so loud and dense that it is impossible pick up the lyrical melody lines or even the bass riffs that you can *see* are being played but can't distinguish. Whether this is Hawkwind's fault or whether it's the sound systems or whether it's the size of the venues (too small) I can't tell. Perhaps they have sacrificed subtlety for sheer impact density of sound but at their worst Hawkwind are sounding no better than a cover band version of themselves. However, I hasten to say that when you can hear them they are playing well - Jerry Richard's guitar sounds like Brock used to, Ron Tree plays a fast and lively bass, and Richard Charwick holds the whole band together with his incredible drumming - he must be exhausted at the end of the evening! So I don't think it is the band - but there's something not quite working out and so however well they are playing they are good, sometimes excellent, but occasionally disappointing this time around. > Incidentally, I phoned up the Garage in Glasgow a wee while ago to find out > what time HW were coming on, and it was Ron that picked up the phone (maybe > earning an extra few quid as stand-in secretary!)... so I told him about the > bass... he said he'd sort it out for tonight, so let's see! Thank you for that - I thought Glasgow was MUCH superior to Edinburgh in that respect and enjoyed it the more. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 20 08:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:40:00 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Mon, 20 Oct 97 13:06 +0100 Message-ID: On 20 Oct 13:06, M Holmes wrote: > Hawkwind came on > at just after 8pm ensuring that some fans missed a lot of the gig. That included me. I turned up as they went into Love In Space, which was good, with a lively fast middle section. Then came a superb version of Aerospaceage Inferno, and I enjoyed Sonic Attack too. Blue Skin and Brainstorm were next, and they weren't as good. They seemed flabby, somehow, as if the band weren't quite tight enough. But the reggae section in the middle of Brainstorm was better than usual, helped by the extra guitar and a real reggae singer (Capt. Rizz). > Reptoid Vision seems too much like the weaker Alien tracks too. I really liked most of Reptoid Vision, and thought it boded well for the new album. It was better than the old stuff before and after it. The middle section was taken from Alien (perhaps Reject Your Human Touch?), and I wonder if that is part of the new song or just a segue they did live? They finished with Ejection, which was better than Brainstorm, and then Song Of The Gremlin, which I'd never heard live before. Overall I had a lot of fun. It was noisy and bouncy. I'm glad the strobes are back, although the light show needs more focus; how about some slides? Or dancers/fire eaters? (Not that there was room for anyone else on stage at this venue). The new line has a fuller sound, somehow, although they need to work on keeping it clear and tight. Capt. Rizz was good during Brainstorm, but didn't add much to Reptoid Vision, IMO. On the other hand, although it was good, it wasn't great. I didn't even go over to Glasgow to catch the first half of the set that I missed at Edinburgh. It wasn't a patch on Brixton in '93, which was one of the best gigs I've ever seen; or the '93 Business Trip tour, with its mingling of rarely heard oldies into a 90s sound; or last year's Brixton gig with its storming performance of SteppenWolf and the trapeze artist. At all of those gigs, I was certain that I'd seen one of the best rock bands in the world. This time they seemed more like a good up-and-coming band (which I guess to an extent is what they are). But we've been here before. I enjoyed Friday night more than I enjoyed their first gig as a three-piece in 1990, and more than the Alien tour. If this is a new start, its a promising one, provided they continue to develop from here. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Oct 20 09:35:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:35:08 -0700 Subject: Another talented Bouchard? Message-ID: Skimming through volume three of my Tick collection I had taped an episode of Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist, to ensure I had enough room on this tape. A great episode with David Chappele as one of the guest stars. I noticed when the credits rolled that this ep was produced by a Lauren Bouchard. Anyone know if there is a connection? If so then comedic genius must run in the family. Anybody seen/heard any oddly colored shellfish lately? L8er lil' ab "You idiot. Money dosen't put fish on the table, fish puts fish on the table." - The Fin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 20 10:16:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:16:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: The Mutton Birds Message-ID: On another trip to the record store, looking, without much hope, to see if the new Hawkwind was there (it wasn't), I picked up _Envy of Angels_ by this bunch of Kiwis so as not to waste my time entirely. Anyway, it's pretty good! They've been touted as "the next Crowded House", which put me off, and indeed they are occasionally worryingly close to the sort of music people my age are expected to listen to, but they make up for that by being damn good at what they do! Excellent songwriting, with a real economy and conciseness that appeals. My favourite song so far is probably "April", which checks in at just over two minutes, having made its point. I bet they did an excellent "Reaper" - which I'll have to hunt down... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Oct 20 10:38:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:38:26 +0200 Subject: BOC: Re: Another talented Bouchard? Message-ID: At 06:35 AM 10/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >I noticed when the credits rolled that this ep was produced by a >Lauren Bouchard. Anyone know if there is a connection? If so then >comedic genius must run in the family. ...this reminds me of something similar: One of the guys in Urge Overkill is called Roeser. Is it a relative? mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Oct 20 13:12:31 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:12:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Another talented Bouchard? Message-ID: Daniel wrote: > At 06:35 AM 10/20/97 -0700, you wrote: > >I noticed when the credits rolled that this ep was produced by a > >Lauren Bouchard. Anyone know if there is a connection? If so then > >comedic genius must run in the family. > ..this reminds me of something similar: > One of the guys in Urge Overkill is called Roeser. > Is it a relative? Yeah, "King" Roeser. If he were born around the time when BOC started up would his parents name him King? Maybe they were jealous of the great guitarist in the family? And then they pushed King into a life of music, but he rebelled, and took up the bass instead of the 6-string. Maybe his whole musical career has been to show up his famous relative in BOC... Always hoping that one day BOC will open for Urge Overkill and he'll finally feel loved and respected by his parents. Or maybe they're not related, which would make for a much less interesting story. We'll probably never know. Brian ----------------------------------------------------- Brian Halligan Copywriter Intern Buck & Pulleyn brianh at pulleyn.com An idle mind is the playground of the person within whose head rests the mind. ----------------------------------------------------- > mvh -Daniel > > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det > > -Joachim H?kansson > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3032 bytes Desc: not available URL: From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Oct 20 14:00:26 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:00:26 -0400 Subject: BOC/OFF: Crawdaddy magazine online Message-ID: According to said site (www.CDaddy.com) you can purchase back issues from the 60's. Among the intersting things lurking in the printed past (good amount of R Meltzer material and Sandy Pearlman articles) there was this: Crawdaddy no.13, feb 1968 Albert Bouchard . . . . . THE LOVLIEST READYMADES If I remember correctly from _Aesthetics of Rock_, didn't Soft White Underbelly have a song (Meltzer as wordsmith) that had READYMADES in it? Did anyone (other than Albert, of course) read this article? If not, then this question goes to Albert: what was it about? Yay, I did my BOC thing for the day. know me by my black telescope, Jason From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 20 16:55:05 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:55:05 -0000 Subject: Off: RIP Glen Buxton In-Reply-To: <51C178306EE7D01190EB00AA0042A03F0E4C77@BPXSV> Message-ID: On 20-Oct-97, brian halligan wrote: This is pretty off topic but Glenn Buxton, Guitarist with the original Alice Cooper Group passed away on Sunday morning. apparently he was rushed into hospital saturday night with Pnemonia but his heart couldn't take it and he died shortly afterwards. The irony of it is that Glen played his first live show in years the previous saturday when he joined with original AC members Michael Bruce and Neal Smith to play a show in houston. Apparently the show was a blinder. He'd also been recording recently. RIP Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Oct 20 19:44:46 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:44:46 +0100 Subject: HW: adversiting OFF: Message-ID: Hi Just like to say thet Oxford cities free music magazine nigthshift has hakwiwnd mentioned in the Zodica advert. They played n 8th nomever it sayas whic is correct!! Nice to get it right and also appear in the monthly lsiting for gigs in october/Novemebr as well. May be they will review the conert in the decemebr issue of the magazine. Hope so!!! Timmy Langner PS Has any one else ever got back hoem to find they have accerdently lost a tape from a gig they recorded?!!! It had to happen tonight as I was watching nien belwo zero play. The ami set of 1hour30mins got lsot. fall out of my bag somehwere in Oxford. and after gogign back no one had picked it up. Annoying becuase first time I had ever seen them and did some songs I liked. Their and blues band for those who don't know. So if any one ever travles thouhg oxford and sees a cheap sony tape it's pobably the lost gig. What also mkes it annoying si that blues selcet/bleus archive have recorded it on video. hwoever that is to be put in a vault incase copyright is ever called into quesiton infuture and not for public to buy or naything like that. Doesn't include full gig any way. I suspose I have 2 songs o nthe encore and a support act + laods of build up but still doesn't repalce the most importnat 1hour30mins. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 20 22:02:24 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:02:24 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: the fall tour Message-ID: Theo thinking out loud: >Which tBS gig you going to? I'm trying to decide between Potsdam and >Elmira--both a haul from Syra., though I think Elmira's closer... Potsdam is a crap shoot. An unknown town with some history and at least a couple die hard fans, one who's connected to the Potsdam radio station and another who is the program director at St Lawrence College station in nearby Canton. Elmira is Billy's home town and the bar is slammin', almost always packed, and promises to be an unforgettable show. After the Syracuse show you might want to go for the more sure thing. A From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 20 22:02:41 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:02:41 -0400 Subject: BOC/OFF: Crawdaddy magazine online Message-ID: Bolts throws down: >If I remember correctly from _Aesthetics of Rock_, didn't Soft White >Underbelly have a song (Meltzer as wordsmith) that had READYMADES in it? >Did anyone (other than Albert, of course) read this article? If not, then >this question goes to Albert: what was it about? It's really about albums I liked, if I remember correctly. One album I reviewed was the Smokey Robinson album that had "Oooh Baby, Baby" on it Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Oct 20 22:02:55 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:02:55 -0400 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: Theo posts: >As AB suggests, Al has been conspicuously silent lately. What's up >Al? And Al, who made you the guitar that you're playing on the cover >of the new Sony Compilation, Don't Fear the Reaper? Is that a >Giuliano creation? I've been busy recording, mixing, sequencing, mastering, artworking, cataloging, mailing, stamping, carrying and paying for stuff. Check your snail mailbox for deatils. Haven't seen the new comp. Gosh, when are they going to put out something new? I bought the Giuliano guitar after I was out of the BOC loop, so it wouldn't have been that one. Al From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 21 04:31:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:31:00 +0100 Subject: HW: advertising In-Reply-To: langner timothy's mail of Tue, 21 Oct 97 00:44 +0100 Message-ID: On the same subject, I saw the tour listed in The Guardian listings pages and Mojo's listings pages. So it seems that the tour management had most things sussed after all, and the panic-stricken message to this list was unnecessary. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 21 04:47:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:47:00 +0100 Subject: HW : Edinburgh gig In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's mail of Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:16 +0100 Message-ID: On 20 Oct 12:16, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: >Did anyone else at the show think that the bass was almost inaudible? The sound was pretty fuzzy, but the bass is the one instrument (other than the drums) that I could make out clearly. At least, the music was linked to what Ron was doing with his hands. At times Jerry's fingers would be moving over the frets in ways that seemed to have no effect on the music, and I never knew what Crum was playing. And of course we could hardly see Dave. It would be really good if Dave could have his console at the side of the stage, or even behind him. Granted, he's still be facing away from the audience a fair bit of the time, but I like to see what musicians are doing on stage; it makes the live experience more immediate. Even if some of the music is taped or sequenced, the live parts are more enjoyable if I can see them being played. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 21 06:20:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:17 +0100 Subject: BOC: Another talented Bouchard? In-Reply-To: <51C178306EE7D01190EB00AA0042A03F0E4C77@BPXSV> Message-ID: In article <51C178306EE7D01190EB00AA0042A03F0E4C77 at BPXSV>, brian halligan writes > Always hoping that one day BOC will open for Urge Overkill > and he'll finally feel loved and respected by his parents. Unlikely, as sadly the Urge have split :(((( My brother, Cass, filled the drum stool for their last shows in the UK which Blackie Onassis couldn't make due to "family problems", including their Top Of The Pops appearance. And very proud I was too! I love the Urge. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 21 08:06:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:06:13 EDT Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: > From: Albert T Bouchard > Theo posts: > > >As AB suggests, Al has been conspicuously silent lately. What's up > >Al? And Al, who made you the guitar that you're playing on the cover > >of the new Sony Compilation, Don't Fear the Reaper? Is that a > >Giuliano creation? > > I've been busy recording, mixing, sequencing, mastering, artworking, > cataloging, mailing, stamping, carrying and paying for stuff. Check your > snail mailbox for deatils. > > Haven't seen the new comp. Gosh, when are they going to put out something > new? I bought the Giuliano guitar after I was out of the BOC loop, so it > wouldn't have been that one. > Al The guitar is a double-cutaway, 2 humbucker, brown sunburst, bound top. Looks a bit like a Les paul, but double-cutaway. Block inlay, gibson-looking headstock, appears to be bound. I'm thinking the photo is late 70s, maybe. Buck is wearing a white suit, not the spaceman outfit. He's playing his Les Paul, though he did play a Paul sometimes even after he got his Giulianos? What is your Giuliano like? I almost bought one back then myself. He had one that he built for some guy who never came up with the bread. It was a Vulcan, I think, the model BD used... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Oct 21 09:27:04 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:27:04 +0100 Subject: Hawktribe gathering Message-ID: First Hawkwind Gathering will take place Saturday , october 25th at 14.00 "Chez Filip" at the Hawkcave - Filip Vanhuyse, Vlaanderenstr. 37 - 9000 Gent - Belgium - Tel: 09 234 06 55 Don't know more... olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Oct 21 09:06:10 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:06:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Urge Requiem Message-ID: > Unlikely, as sadly the Urge have split :(((( > > My brother, Cass, filled the drum stool for their last shows in the UK > which Blackie Onassis couldn't make due to "family problems", including > their Top Of The Pops appearance. And very proud I was too! I love the > Urge. Urge Overkill is one of the only "modern" bands that I enjoy. Bummer. Nat Kato's voice and Blackie O's drumming really do it for me. But I think Kato's voice is probably what kept their songs from becoming bigger hits. He's definately not a Kurt Cobain clone. And any band that Wesley Willis writes a song about can't be all bad :) "They rocked the place... apart." Sad news indeed! ObSong> "(Now That's) The Barclords" Urge Overkill > -- > Jon Browne -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2406 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 21 09:12:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:12:43 -0400 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: >I've been busy recording, mixing, sequencing, mastering, artworking, cataloging, mailing, stamping, carrying and paying for stuff. Check your snail mailbox for deatils. Just got mine yesterday - fantastic! New tBS CD, Cult Bros. (er, X-Bros.) CD, Pete Bohovesky CD, Jack Rigg cassette -- and discounts for the holiday shopper. Check it out! >Haven't seen the new comp. Gosh, when are they going to put out something new? This "new compilation" appears to be just Sony releasing a bunch of tracks that they presumably have the rights to - nothing new, and also not readily available - it's a "Sony Special Products" CD which appears to be something that isn't widely distributed. I e-mailed Sony Music Special Products to inquire about it and they sent me a free copy. This is now the 3rd BOC compilation CD in the past year (along with "Revisited" and "On Flame With Rock and Roll" <- not to be confused with the circa 1990 comp. CD of the same name released as a CBS Special Product) and they all have the same picture on the cover (mid-to-late-70s shot of the orig. lineup doing the "5 Guitars"), and I've yet to see any of them on the shelves of my local record stores (including Tower). Latest word on "Ezekiel's Wheel", whether or not one chooses to believe it (I remain cautiously optimistic) is an early 1998 release - the final studio work is presumably done (or nearly so). John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Oct 21 10:27:30 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:27:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases In-Reply-To: <199710211312.JAA23538@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >This "new compilation" appears to be just Sony releasing a bunch of tracks >that they presumably have the rights to - nothing new, and also not readily >available - it's a "Sony Special Products" CD which appears to be something >that isn't widely distributed. I e-mailed Sony Music Special Products to >inquire about it and they sent me a free copy. Not too shabby. They must be really eager to get rid of the disc. >the "5 Guitars"), and I've yet to see any of them on the shelves of my >local record stores (including Tower). Even retail is tired of compliations by the oyster boys. Hope they don't mistake Ezekiel's Wheel for another compilation. that would be sad. >Latest word on "Ezekiel's Wheel", whether or not one chooses to believe >it (I remain cautiously optimistic) is an early 1998 release - the final >studio work is presumably done (or nearly so). > What is their new label this time around? Jason From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 21 12:27:42 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:27:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: I've heard no word on the label of "Ezekiel's Wheel" John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 21 17:30:48 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:30:48 +0100 Subject: HW: adversiting OFF: In-Reply-To: <199710202344.AAA12095@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Timmmy wrote: >It had to happen tonight as I was watching nien >belwo zero play. >--snip--< >Annoying >becuase first time I had ever seen them and did some songs I liked. Their and >blues band for those who don't know. I'm glad to hear they are still doing the business - I can remember seeing them at Rock City in Nottingham (15 years ago?) after doing a tough afternoon shift - I felt so much better - they tore the roof off the joint! ChrisW From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Oct 21 18:53:31 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:53:31 -0600 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases In-Reply-To: <199710211627.MAA28640@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Ok, so we have yet ANOTHER compilation. But let's face it, how many of us have already bought it?? I'm guilty!! Nice cover....which is almost the same as the cover for last year's comp, Revisited. Sorry I missed the BS tour of the West Coast. Maybe next time? God bless....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 21 19:32:18 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:32:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Andy G. Message-ID: Hi Andy and everyone else... I just returned from Kathmandu, and have just gotten back on the list. I've gone over the weekly archives at the boc-l website, so I saw the lowdown on the brief US Hawkwind stint and Strange Daze (with Nik Turner). Too bad I missed it. :( Anyway, hello again to all. I'm also trying to get in touch with Andy Gilham...your Compuserve address isn't working. You must have a new address. Could you e-mail me, please? I'm looking for any info about a rumoured Amon Duul II tour of the US/NA. Thanks...Keith H. (FAA) Henderson.120 at osu.edu ObCD: Kraan - Wintrup From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Oct 21 22:53:04 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:53:04 -0400 Subject: Like BOC Threads I'm Back Message-ID: >The guitar is a double-cutaway, 2 humbucker, brown sunburst, bound >top. Looks a bit like a Les paul, but double-cutaway. Block inlay, >gibson-looking headstock, appears to be bound. I'm thinking the >photo is late 70s, maybe. Buck is wearing a white suit, not the spaceman >outfit. >He's playing his Les Paul, though he did play a Paul sometimes even >after he got his Giulianos? This was before that. My guitar was the "Al Douchard Model," a Renaldo Custom out of Union City NJ (I guess he ran out of capital Bs). My brother Jim has it and he's gotten it to sound pretty good. >What is your Giuliano like? I almost bought one back then myself. >He had one that he built for some guy who never came up with the >bread. It was a Vulcan, I think, the model BD used... I got a simply modified 69 Paul. Still the best guitar I own. Al From travsboc at CRL.COM Wed Oct 22 00:27:15 1997 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:27:15 -0700 Subject: BS: Any reviews yet on "Malpractise"? In-Reply-To: <199710210900.FAA25139@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Just received my copy of "Brain Surgeons News" from Joe/Deborah/Cellsum (thanks). Noticed the new Brain Surgeons release "Malpractise" for sale. Intriguing songlist: Needle Gun/Ciudades y Navidades/Hassan I Sahba/Career of Evil/Language of Love/The Girl Love Made Blind/Death Valley Nights/Name Your Monster/Baby Ice Dog/Tour Spiel/I Am the One You Warned Me Of/Astronomy... "Three hot new recordings from the Brain Surgeons and material never before available on CD," reads the copy. So what exactly are the other BOC and BS tune titles? Solo/acoustic? BS band versions/alternate takes? I put my order in today--can't wait! SF From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Oct 22 03:47:18 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:47:18 -0600 Subject: Off: Procupine Tree "coma divine" ? Message-ID: Hi! anyone know anything about this?? It sounds intersting grom what I read in Gibralter:) Rock on, Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > Noticed the new Brain Surgeons release "Malpractise" for sale. > > Intriguing songlist: Needle Gun/Ciudades y Navidades/Hassan I > Sahba/Career of Evil/Language of Love/The Girl Love Made Blind/Death > Valley Nights/Name Your Monster/Baby Ice Dog/Tour Spiel/I Am the One You > Warned Me Of/Astronomy... > This is surely a joke? Bloody good one if so... I'm taken in. When is it available in the UK? Want want want. Sorry if I pissed anyone off at Coney Island High. Cheers, Rich. Oblistening: Some Call It Godcore - HMHB From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Oct 22 05:27:12 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:27:12 +0200 Subject: HW Crap In-Reply-To: <9710220857.AA09664@sentry.novo.dk> Message-ID: Hej, A lot has been going thru my mind about HW lately. It seems that most everyone has settled in with Alan being gone and Ron being the front man. I guess a lot of Ron's playing is dependent on his chemical state... I have thought he sounded quite good on some of the shows I have heard but he is of course no Alan, but that is ok. I really quite like the new songs that I have heard, Alchemy, Wheels, and Raptoid Vision. They have interesting lyrics, good guitar riffs, etc... I will be curious to see how the new lp is? Has there ever really been one that sucked, that you just couldn't listen to? I don't think so. I just hope that Capt. Rizz is not rapping all over the new lp. That guy has either got to go or do something more interesting and not just rap the same shit over and over... What has happened to the set list? They have been playing the exact same set since July (Spain show). DOes Jerry not know enough tunes that they can even change one song? It is the same set every night on the US and UK tour as far as I have seen.. Come on Dave..... I think the sequence of Assault and Battery and Golden Void sound great. They brought this back a year ago in Greece though. Also Aerospace Age Inferno I have quite enjoyed. They only did Uncle Sams on Mars at a couple of shows in the last year as well as Steppenwolf, both great Calvert numbers. Looks like they will not change the set at all for this tour. I guess we will have to wait until the next tour next year. I look forward to the reviews of the new lp. Remember the new Ozric Tentacles CD, Curious Corn is out in the UK on Oct 27th! You can order it from Delerium/Freak Emporium for 11 pds. scott ObMD- Spiritualized- Lille Vega, K?benhavn, Denmark 27/9/97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 22 05:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:45:00 +0100 Subject: HW Crap In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's mail of Wed, 22 Oct 97 11:27 +0200 Message-ID: On 22 Oct 10:27, Scott Heller wrote: > I guess a lot of Ron's playing is dependent on his chemical state... > I have thought he sounded quite good on some of the shows I have heard but > he is of course no Alan, ... Neither was Alan when he first joined :-) ! It's a shame Alan left -- if Ron were just on vocals, with Crum and Jerry as well, it would be quite a band! But I suppose this would never have happened if Alan had stayed. > What has happened to the set list? They have been playing the exact > same set since July (Spain show). Not quite. They've dropped Needle Gun, and added Song Of The Gremlin. > Does Jerry not know enough tunes that they can even change one song? Or play a second encore at some gigs? The crowd was up for it at Edinburgh, and it's not as if it was late when the band left the stage. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 22 05:59:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:59:05 +0100 Subject: HW Crap Message-ID: > I look forward to the reviews of the new lp. Remember the new Ozric > Tentacles CD, Curious Corn is out in the UK on Oct 27th! You can order it > from Delerium/Freak Emporium for 11 pds. Actually, it's out already! Tower had loads of copies on Monday. >... I will be curious to see how >the new lp is? Has there ever really been one that sucked, that you just >couldn't listen to? I don't think so. Three or four, but let's not get into that again... :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Wed Oct 22 06:29:05 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:29:05 +0100 Subject: HW Crap Message-ID: > I look forward to the reviews of the new lp. Remember the new Ozric > Tentacles CD, Curious Corn is out in the UK on Oct 27th! You can order it > from Delerium/Freak Emporium for 11 pds. So, is it any good? Did anyone go to see Gong last night at the Junction in Cambridge? If so, are there any reviews? Mike P From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 22 08:00:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:00:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > Ok, so we have yet ANOTHER compilation. But let's face it, how many of us > have already bought it?? I'm guilty!! > Me too! The record stores around here never have any BOC stuff, so when I see some, I grab it! And it only cost 8 bucks... > Nice cover....which is almost the same as the cover for last year's comp, > Revisited. > > Sorry I missed the BS tour of the West Coast. Maybe next time? > > God bless....Manuel I like the cover, esp. Al's custom guitar. Kinda bittersweet though, that they keep showing pics of Al. When has a band ever shot itself in the foot so bad? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 22 08:34:59 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:34:59 EDT Subject: Red Hook tBS gig... Message-ID: I don't have map with me right now. Where is Red Hook NY? And is there a name for the venue? How about a venue for the Elmira gig? Any listmembers going to either gig? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Oct 22 09:03:10 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe Jr.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:03:10 CDT Subject: Procupine Tree "coma divine" ? Message-ID: I sent a note to the list yesterday that has apparently not arrived.... Coma Divine rocks, and rocks hard. The album is brilliant. The band is tight. The bass is killer. I got mine from Paul's CD's in Pittsburgh, PA for US $16.50 shipped. Very affordable! For those who've heard it, is Coma Divine typical for PTree live stuff? Also, what's No Man like? Allan. -------------- From: cwheaton Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 2:47 AM To: BOC-L Cc: cwheaton Subject: Off: Procupine Tree "coma divine" ? Hi! anyone know anything about this?? It sounds intersting grom what I read in Gibralter:) Rock on, Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Theo asked > I like the cover, esp. Al's custom guitar. Kinda bittersweet though, > that they keep showing pics of Al. When has a band ever shot itself > in the foot so bad? Hawkwind when they sacked Lemmy? :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From micci at SCI.FI Wed Oct 22 10:31:48 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:31:48 +0300 Subject: HW:trade Message-ID: Hi! I have these vinyls to trade: sleeve/record Assassins of allah, bootleg #255/300 nm/nm 25 years ep, black vinyl!! ex+/nm Feel free offer anything which join HW. Email private, please. Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Oct 22 11:19:54 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:19:54 +0200 Subject: HW Crap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there > What has happened to the set list? They have been playing the exact >same set since July (Spain show). That's absolutely true Scott. Only 1 or 2 changes but all in all the same set. But the Chicago gig was a very welcome exception with ALIEN I AM and a version of EJECTION I've never heard before Here are a couple of gigs to compare 12.07.97, ESCALARRE, DR. MUSIC FESTIVAL intro / wheels / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision 24.08.97, CHICAGO, CUBBY BEAR intro / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / starflight / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / alien i am / raptoid vision / ejection / black corridor / ejection 26.08.97, CLEVELAND, PHANTASY THEATRE intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / raptoid vision 29.08.97, NEW YORK, CONEY ISLAND HIGH intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / starflight / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL intro / kauai / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision 27.09.97, WHITBY, DRAC FESTIVAL intro / kauai / dracula poem / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision 10.10.97, COLCHESTER, CHARTER HALL kauai / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 11.10.97, KINGS LYNN, CORN EXCHANGE wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin I hope they will fire HASSAN out of the set (though I like the middle part) and include stuff which was never played live before HASSAN was played for the 1st time in winter 1976 and the band continued playing this song until 1978 (spring US-Tour) Then HASSAN was played for the 2nd time 1986 and was played every year until today I must say that it isn't one of the worst HW songs but I know lot of more which are far better Bernhard From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Oct 22 14:51:39 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:51:39 -0600 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases In-Reply-To: <4789F0513C@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > From: jean l delacour > > > > Nice cover....which is almost the same as the cover for last year's comp, > > Revisited. > > > > Sorry I missed the BS tour of the West Coast. Maybe next time? > > > > God bless....Manuel > > I like the cover, esp. Al's custom guitar. Kinda bittersweet though, > that they keep showing pics of Al. When has a band ever shot itself > in the foot so bad? > > theo > How many times has BOC shot themselves in the foot? Well, from where I stand (ha ha), they shot themselves several times; 1. Ca tour 1985; they should have worked it out with Albert to continue. We already know this story. 2. 1992-93 for Atlantic renegging the record deal. 3. Oct 1995, Las Vegas; they were suppose to do an acoustic/interview at a radio station and somebody got them lost. 4. For not being able to keep Chuck Burgi in the band, but that was more of a Steve Schenk mess up. 5. Steve Schenk. ....Manuel > Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 22 14:47:38 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:47:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Procupine Tree "coma divine" ? In-Reply-To: <0000rpbrdjbr.H0000d9900fcef02@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: >For those who've heard it, is Coma Divine typical for PTree live stuff? >Also, what's No Man like? I saw them last year and if anything Coma Divine is a slight letdown from what I remember. I saw them in a tiny bar in Nottingham Rock City and the sound was the best I have ever heard from any band. even then Steve Wilson managed to complain to the sound man about it !! Dont know about NoMan - Ive never managed to find any. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 22 15:20:39 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:20:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases In-Reply-To: <01BCDEF3.ECECEAA0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 14:07 22/10/97 +0100, you wrote: >Theo asked > >> I like the cover, esp. Al's custom guitar. Kinda bittersweet though, >> that they keep showing pics of Al. When has a band ever shot itself >> in the foot so bad? > >Hawkwind when they sacked Lemmy? :) > >- Andy Too easy, Andy... ChrisW Ob:No time to play anything just lately :( From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 22 16:24:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:24:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: >1. Ca tour 1985; they should have worked it out with Albert to continue. We already know this story. Yep - would've been great if a double-length album of *Imaginos* came out instead of *Club Ninja*. Then again, I've speculated that this form of *Imaginos* should've come out instead of *Mirrors* (not that the songs as they were done in the 80s would've likely have sounded the same in 1979). >2. 1992-93 for Atlantic renegging the record deal. I wish I knew the full details of this one -- too much heresay as to what really happened -- but "Ezekiel's Wheel" instead of "Cult Classics" would've been nice... >4. For not being able to keep Chuck Burgi in the band, but that was more of a Steve Schenk mess up. Chuck is a fine drummer, but I was never convinced that he was the "right" drummer for BOC -- although I think he had a bit more distinctive style that Wilcox, Riddle, Rondinelli, Micelli (who all are also fine drummers) - a bit too much "in yer face" for BOC I think. Personally, I thought Rick Downey, while no Albert (and who is?), did a decent job for them. Other "mistakes"? Hmm... Abandoning the "5 Guitars" - oh yeah, guess they needed At for that Promotion, or lack thereof, for much of their career No Box Set The extended delays of Ezekiel's Wheel Inflexibility in their live sets Buck's gold suit John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 22 17:02:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:02:21 EDT Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >1. Ca tour 1985; they should have worked it out with Albert to continue. > We already know this story. > > Yep - would've been great if a double-length album of *Imaginos* came out > instead of *Club Ninja*. Then again, I've speculated that this form of > *Imaginos* should've come out instead of *Mirrors* (not that the songs as > they were done in the 80s would've likely have sounded the same in 1979). > I'd have been willing to take a chance on that one. In '79 BOC were still hot as napalm, given a small hiccup with SEE [still not the total gulp of Mirrors]. Last studio lp was rock-solid Spectres, laser show still happening [I think?]. Seems like perfect timing for the 'real' imaginos. A full-concept BOC double album! Damn, what a disappointment that we never got to see that, 'cause if ever there was a band up to such a project, it was BOC in their prime... > >2. 1992-93 for Atlantic renegging the record deal. > > I wish I knew the full details of this one -- too much heresay as to what > really happened -- but "Ezekiel's Wheel" instead of "Cult Classics" would've > been nice... > Yeah, this is a legend that drives me nuts. Wish I knew the real story--not that it would be flattering to 3OC. I always thought that 3OC somehow screwed up on this one. Or maybe another Schenck screw-up. That dude shot himself [and BOC] in the foot with a howitzer... > >4. For not being able to keep Chuck Burgi in the band, but that was more > of a Steve Schenk mess up. > > Chuck is a fine drummer, but I was never convinced that he was the "right" > drummer for BOC -- although I think he had a bit more distinctive style > that Wilcox, Riddle, Rondinelli, Micelli (who all are also fine drummers) - > a bit too much "in yer face" for BOC I think. Personally, I thought Rick > Downey, while no Albert (and who is?), did a decent job for them. > > So far, I liked Micelli better than Rondinelli [who's a fine drummer indeed, not knocking him in any way] as far as fitting in with BOC. Micelli sometimes sounded eerily like Albert. Never heard the other pounders... > Other "mistakes"? Hmm... > > Abandoning the "5 Guitars" - oh yeah, guess they needed At for that > So how 'bout 4 guitars? > Promotion, or lack thereof, for much of their career > Schenck must go! > No Box Set > > The extended delays of Ezekiel's Wheel > > Inflexibility in their live sets > Amen, Amen, Amen! > Buck's gold suit > You talkin' 'bout his Buck Rogers outfit? I liked it. I'd more regret EB's abandoning his leather outfits and long hair. Also liked BD's Giuliano guitars for their styling, though can't argue with the sound he gets from the Steinbergers. Think BD should have stuck with his Boogie amps too... So who's going to the Elmira tBS gig, and what's the venue? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 22 10:19:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:19:29 +0100 Subject: HW Crap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Scott Heller writes >scott > >ObMD- Spiritualized- Lille Vega, K?benhavn, Denmark 27/9/97 Spiritualized have just announced a benefit gig for La Monte Young (who is quoting the NME, quoteing Brian Eno "the grandaddy of us all") with Pulp and others at the Barbican on ..........OCT 31! What to do? Have the recent dates not really been up to snuff? I'm most probably going to be at Shepherd's Bush but Spiritualized were *fantastic* when I saw 'em.....Bugger! -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 22 17:04:12 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:04:12 EDT Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Other "mistakes"? Hmm... > > Inflexibility in their live sets > And also not playing more EW stuff live. Geez, if they're recording the songs now, they ought to be pretty sharp with them. And they could really tease the die-hard fans with them... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Oct 22 17:27:27 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:27:27 -0500 Subject: New tBS and EW Message-ID: Gee I hope Torgo gets a copy of the new tBS soon, nothing like a Torgo review of a tBS disc. We need to awaken the old lurker and make sure he's on the ball for this. >Latest word on "Ezekiel's Wheel", whether or not one chooses to believe >it (I remain cautiously optimistic) is an early 1998 release - the final >studio work is presumably done (or nearly so). This is certainly closer to home than where we were last summer. Just hope they get decent distribution on it. Towers still carries most of the catalog but most of the other stores here do not. L8er lil' ab "What's in a name anyway? If I were called Bob or Jack or Vinny or a piece of fruit, would I be any less a hero? And if Barry were called Ruppert, Max or rainbow would he be any less a jerk? I don't think so. Because a name is a rose and it only smells as sweet as you are." - The Tick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 22 17:43:46 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:43:46 +0100 Subject: HW Crap Message-ID: > Spiritualized have just announced a benefit gig for La Monte Young (who > is quoting the NME, quoteing Brian Eno "the grandaddy of us all") with > Pulp and others at the Barbican on ..........OCT 31! What to do? Easy - the Barbican'll most likely kick you out by 11, the Empire show doesn't finish until 2, get in a cab and go to both! Worth finding out if it's a goer, I'd say... 'course, I'm king of the practical ideas, Motorhead are playing Brixton on Saturday, walking distance from my place, so naturally I'm seeing them in Cambridge tomorrow instead... - Andy obCD: The Mutton Birds - _Envy of Angels_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Oct 22 19:11:47 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:11:47 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting Message-ID: Hey, anyone have the the full details on this bizarre collaboration in the 80's? Any cold data as year, place etc. appreciated since it's for an article... and does anyone have this single (?)? Christian obCD: Nik Turner: Space Ritual 1994 (musta pressed repeat 15 times for Master of The Universe today????) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 22 19:05:55 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:05:55 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting Message-ID: On Thursday, October 23, 1997 12:12 AM, C Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > Hey, anyone have the the full details on this bizarre collaboration > in the 80's? Any cold data as year, place etc. appreciated > since it's for an article... and does anyone have this single (?)? Course they do! I've got one here signed by Turner (there was a time when UN-signed copies of Nik/ICU records were rarer than signed ones): "Get radioactive! Nik Turner"... make of that what you will! It came out in 1979, in fact. "Nuclear Waste" c/w "Digital Love", by The Radio Actors. Both sides written by Harry Williamson. Became a staple of ICU's stage set for a while, until they got bored with it and tried to play it all the way through in about thirty seconds. It says here: Sting - Lead Vocals Steve Broughton - Drums Steve - Lead Guitar Nick Turner - Sax & Vocal Mike Howlett - Drums Harry Williamson - Rythm Guitar & Vocals Gilli Smyth - Vocals Produced by Simon Heyworth Concept: Nick Turner and Harry Williamson All spelling errors reproduced faithfully! The second Steve is Hillage. This is an early sighting of Sting's ecological concerns - one in the eye for all those cynics who accuse him of sublimating his worries about his receding hairline onto the rainforests (as if I would! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Oct 22 20:10:28 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (Chuck Johnson) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:10:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: new Fu Manchu is out Message-ID: Did anyone pick up the new Fu Manchu album that just came out? Does this one have the former-Kyuss player (bass?) on it? Inquiring minds want to know... :-) Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 23 08:11:25 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:11:25 EDT Subject: tBS mailing Message-ID: Just got the current Cellsum flyer yesterday, As usual, Al and company are doing the right thing. Offering an outrageous special of 4 new Cellsum recordings, including, of course, Malpractice, for only 40 bucks, including a rhythm shaker signed by Al! Also, the 4 previous tBS recordings are offered for again, only 40 bucks! New recordings include X Brothers and Jack Rigg. Damn! Al, I've said it before, but here goes again: I'm sure I speak for a lot of fans in thanking you for keeping in touch with your fans, and continuing to circulate new material for us. Plus, the personal touch [Al includes a letter explaining the new recordings and an update on tBS activities] you invest in the operation really lets us know that you have your ear to the ground and appreciate what we fans are thining about the band. Keep up the good work! Oh, and let's get a good turnout for the upcoming gigs! Torgo, you up for the Elmira gig? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 23 13:26:32 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:26:32 GMT+0100 Subject: tBS: Any reviews yet on "Malpractise"? Message-ID: On tis 21 okt 1997 21.27 "S. F. Yee" wrote: > Intriguing songlist: Needle Gun/Ciudades y Navidades/Hassan I > Sahba/Career of Evil/Language of Love/The Girl Love Made Blind/Death > Valley Nights/Name Your Monster/Baby Ice Dog/Tour Spiel/I Am the One You > Warned Me Of/Astronomy... > > "Three hot new recordings from the Brain Surgeons and material never > before available on CD," reads the copy. So what exactly are the other > BOC and BS tune titles? Solo/acoustic? BS band versions/alternate > takes? Looks like the material from the fan-club releases. I'd be very happy to see that stuff on CD!! I've been waiting for a CD release of that version of "Baby Ice Dog" for some time. Needle Gun and Hassan I Sabha should be *great*! :) Now at long last, a BOC/HW crossover once more! Has anyone told Brock? :) Must order, once I get the info! Cheers, Carl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 23 09:15:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:56 EDT Subject: tBS: Any reviews yet on "Malpractise"? Message-ID: >> From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > Must order, once I get the info! > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, I'll bring in the flyer this afternoon and post the details... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 23 09:29:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:29:25 -0400 Subject: tBS mailing Message-ID: >Al, I've said it before, but here goes again: I'm sure I speak for a lot of fans in thanking you for keeping in touch with your fans, and continuing to circulate new material for us. Plus, the personal touch [Al includes a letter explaining the new recordings and an update on tBS activities] you invest in the operation really lets us know that you have your ear to the ground and appreciate what we fans are thining about the band. I'll second that one... John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 23 06:56:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:56:19 +0100 Subject: HW not Crap In-Reply-To: <01BCDF3C.2FE80D60.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCDF3C.2FE80D60.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Easy - the Barbican'll most likely kick you out by 11, the Empire show >doesn't finish until 2, get in a cab and go to both! > I did consider this, but a few posts have said the Hawks had finished up by 10:15. Is it not unlikely that they will finish at 11.00/11:30 and then leave the venue open till two? Or have Cybernaut or Banco on afterwards? Will they really play for 3-ish hours? Or come on after 12? -- Jon Browne ObCD LTJ Bukem - Logical Progression (after watching fine documentary on the man last night) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 23 12:12:42 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:12:42 +0800 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting Message-ID: >Hey, anyone have the the full details on this bizarre collaboration >in the 80's? Any cold data as year, place etc. appreciated >since it's for an article... and does anyone have this single (?)? > Are you referring to the Nuclear Waste single. I have this track on CD. It was released under the name of Sting and the Radioactive. It also features various Gong people (Steve Hillage, Harry Williamson, Mike Howlett), and was recorded in 1997. The disk I have was released by Voiceprint (VP181CD). There is quite a bit of more detail on the disk, including lyrics. I'll try and get it scanned over the weekend. William PS I believe there is another version of this song by ICU. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Oct 23 13:48:05 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:48:05 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting In-Reply-To: <01BCDF47.89BF02C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 00:05 23/10/97 +0100, Andy Gilham wrote: >Course they do! I've got one here signed by Turner (there was a time when >UN-signed copies of Nik/ICU records were rarer than signed ones): Ha! My CD copy of Passout has the cover reproduced from a signed cover!! In black and white too. How cool can cheap get? > "Get >radioactive! Nik Turner"... make of that what you will! It came out in >1979, in fact. "Nuclear Waste" c/w "Digital Love", by The Radio Actors. > Both sides written by Harry Williamson. Became a staple of ICU's stage set >for a while, until they got bored with it and tried to play it all the way >through in about thirty seconds. >It says here: > >Sting - Lead Vocals >Steve Broughton - Drums >Steve - Lead Guitar >Nick Turner - Sax & Vocal >Mike Howlett - Drums >Harry Williamson - Rythm Guitar & Vocals >Gilli Smyth - Vocals >Produced by Simon Heyworth >Concept: Nick Turner and Harry Williamson > >All spelling errors reproduced faithfully! The second Steve is Hillage. What an odd line up. Hawkwind/Broughton/Gong etc. &... Police!! jeez, I can start connecting the dots from Hawkwind to the Animals, Zoot Money and Curved Air now...? >This is an early sighting of Sting's ecological concerns - one in the eye for >all those cynics who accuse him of sublimating his worries about his receding >hairline onto the rainforests (as if I would! :) I'll try to think of him next time I go to McDonald's :) Thanks for all the info! Christian ObHypotheticalTimewarp: late 80's: young "concerned" executive, sipping his Evian water and almost letting his little pony tail loose to that mock- psychedelic Tears for Fears video.. there's one of several bands he wants to market, to appeal to the growing dolphin loving tye dyer market: he randomly picks "Hawkwind" on his little list... NO!!! phew! Nightmare over! Tho, a Dave Brock designed tie would be pretty cool!?? back to reality... Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Oct 23 13:27:04 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:27:04 +0800 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting Message-ID: Hi all On the subject of The Police, an album worth checking out is Video Flashback by Eberhard Schoener (It was released on CD under a different title). It features Eberhard on various electronic keyboards along with The Police. And although Sting does the vocals, it's not what you would expect from them, it is very much in the German electronic rock vain. William From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Oct 23 14:23:31 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:23:31 +0100 Subject: HW Crap (Forward) Message-ID: Dave said: >Neither was Alan when he first joined :-) ! It's a shame Alan left -- if >Ron were just on vocals, with Crum and Jerry as well, it would be quite >a band! But I suppose this would never have happened if Alan had stayed. What is Crum like? Is he audioable and even better, visable? Or is he like the keybaord player on the Night of the hawks video (thmpson someone can't remeber exact name, but he was rearly shown). >Not quite. They've dropped Needle Gun, and added Song Of The Gremlin. Where does song of the gremlin come from? I think I've heard of the title before (but not heard the song) >> Does Jerry not know enough tunes that they can even change one song? Do you need to know the hawkwind tunes? As long as you have a basic idea and can play the guitar well, in a spacy style, it shouldn't be difficult. Hawkwidn alwasy cahnge what they sound like any way. I have jet to find a hawkwind song which sounds quite identical to the last time it was played. But for most good big bands around I could name almost ever night on a tour. >Or play a second encore at some gigs? The crowd was up for it at Edinburgh, >and it's not as if it was late when the band left the stage. Well I'm hoping they will do a second encore at their last gig of the tour. Or any time I go to see them. Besides Jerry played last July and that gig wasn't idential to this tour so he must know a few more. After all they idd researsh before the tour! Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Oct 23 14:29:32 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:29:32 +0100 Subject: Crum Message-ID: Hi When did Crum satrt playing kebyaords on the tour or has he been doing it from the start? Also has Captain Razzi appeared every night. Was he at Worthing (if any one went to it). My brother said no one else came on stage for the first 45mins but people are saying he started singing near the beginning? And surly it can't be long now until Motoheads tour ends. I know they are playingat Cambridge corn excahnge tonight and that must be close to the end of the otur so when Is lemmy going to appear????? I just hope it's on the last night of the tour (Swindon) and that Havry Bainbridge joins in as well. Along with Crum and the band oh and Captain Rzzi to add the numbers. If that happened there would be 8 people on stage!! Bit like the old days, which I never saw. Thanks Timmy Langner From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Oct 23 15:55:57 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:55:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: new Fu Manchu and Lotus Message-ID: At 07:10 PM 10/22/97 -0500, you wrote: > Did anyone pick up the new Fu Manchu album that just came out? > Does this one have the former-Kyuss player (bass?) on it? > > Inquiring minds want to know... :-) > > > Captain Cloud > capcloud at palmnet.net I haven't picked it up yet - I couldn't afford it 'cos I had to go to the dentist (...and when I can afford a new CD again I'll buy one from Rickard in Stockholm [I have not forgotten you!]). ...but I have heard it. It rocks!!! The best Fu Manchu I've heard (except of the Godzilla cover of course). They still have the Kyuss man (Brant Bjork - drummer) in the band. BTW: I'm curious about a band called "Lotus" which I think plays in the almost the same vein as Fu Manchu, but I can be wrong 'cos I don't know much [i.e nothing at all :-)] about them so I'll appreciate any kind of information. mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 24 04:43:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:43:00 +0100 Subject: HW not Crap (Forward) In-Reply-To: langner timothy's mail of Thu, 23 Oct 97 19:23 +0100 Message-ID: On 23 Oct 19:23, langner timothy wrote: > Where does song of the gremlin come from? I think I've heard of the title > before (but not heard the song) Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters. This is also where Ejection and Aerospaceage Inferno come from -- they're playing almost the whole album now! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 24 07:28:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:28:01 EDT Subject: tBS mailing Message-ID: As promised, here's the dope on new tBS/Cellsum product: XMas Special: Malpractise--X Brothers--Peter Bohovesky--The Jack Rigg Sessions **BONUS** Autographed Rhythm Tec Shaker signed by Al! Only 40 bucks, includes shipping to US tBS Value Pak: All four tBS albums including the new one... Only 35 Bucks, includes US shipping Cheques/Money Orders payable to: Albert Bouchard send to: Cellsum Records Box 1070, Fort George Station New York, NY 10040-9998 theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 24 08:18:03 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:03 +0100 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Spiritualized have just announced a benefit gig for La Monte Young (who > is quoting the NME, quoteing Brian Eno "the grandaddy of us all") with > Pulp and others at the Barbican on ..........OCT 31! What to do? Have > the recent dates not really been up to snuff? > > I'm most probably going to be at Shepherd's Bush but Spiritualized were > *fantastic* when I saw 'em.....Bugger! Well if any venue is going to have visiting players / strolling minstrels / casual passers-by joining the band on stage then I guess Shepherd's Bush is the one - still if you miss it then there's always Guildford the next night 8-) I'm going to be struggling to make it to Shepherd's Bush tho - can anyone tell me EXACTLY where it is and where the nearest tube station is. If I'm coming down at all then I'll have to fly into Heathrow or Gatwick I guess. problems, problems....... jill obRegradingPeeve> downwards 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 24 08:20:12 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:20:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Procupine Tree "coma divine" ? In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:47:38 +0100 Message-ID: I've collected a couple of reviews from Porcupine Tree's current tour from the PT mailing list in case anyone is interested! Let me know and I'll mail them on to you. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 24 08:24:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:24:27 -0400 Subject: tBS mailing Message-ID: You can view the entire Cellsum catalog (as listed in the recent tBS mailing), including track listings for all the albums, on my Brain Surgeons website (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/) -- if you've got Netscape or Internet Explorer, you can probably also fill out an on-line ordering form, suitable for printing and mailing in with your payment. John PS: Pete Bohovesky's CD ought to be a real hoot - with tracks titled, "Stinkin' up yer Bathroom", "Tanked Up and Horny", and "Grandma's Vagina", it's pretty obvious that "Donkey Show" (also on the CD, BTW) was just the tip of the iceberg for this guy. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 24 09:20:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:20:34 +0100 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush Message-ID: Jill asks > I'm going to be struggling to make it to Shepherd's Bush tho - can > anyone tell me EXACTLY where it is and where the nearest tube station > is. If I'm coming down at all then I'll have to fly into Heathrow or > Gatwick I guess. Nearest tube is probably Goldhawk Road, as it goes - if you do fly down, Heathrow is *much* more convenient than Gatwick because you can get the Piccadilly Line to Hammersmith, then change for one stop along the H'smith & City. G'hawk Rd tube is just off G'hawk Rd itself - you'd need to turn right along the main road for about 200 yds until you get to Shepherd's Bush Green, and there you are, right outside the Empire, at the western end of the Green - in between the Fringe and Firkin (but it'll be something else in your pub guide :) and a ghastly Aussie bar - no offence, Sonique etc (well not much anyway :)) - where the Bottom Line used to be. (From other directions, either of the two Shepherd's Bush stations makes more sense.) - Andy ObCD: Rammstein - _Herzeleid_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 24 15:04:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:04:26 GMT+0100 Subject: HW Crap Message-ID: On ons 22 okt 1997 11.29 "Mike Parkington" wrote: > > I look forward to the reviews of the new lp. Remember the new Ozric > > Tentacles CD, Curious Corn is out in the UK on Oct 27th! You can > > order it from Delerium/Freak Emporium for 11 pds. > > So, is it any good? I've seen it at Parrot in Cambridge, but haven't got it. I'd also like to know how it measures up! > Did anyone go to see Gong last night at the Junction in Cambridge? If > so, are there any reviews? I did, and it was good. Similar to the gig they did there a year or so ago. Really, if they would hire Fruit Salad lights on it would be a stonking show! As it is, they're a bit weak in the lighting dept., IMHO. Cheers. Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 24 07:09:03 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:09:03 +0100 Subject: HW not Crap (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199710240843.JAA29901@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199710240843.JAA29901 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >> Where does song of the gremlin come from? I think I've heard of the title >> before (but not heard the song) > >Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters. This is also where Ejection and >Aerospaceage Inferno come from -- they're playing almost the whole >album now! > >Dave. Not to mention The Right Stuff...... In fact, Hero With A Wing is the only track left to do! -- Jon Browne From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 24 10:07:22 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:07:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts In-Reply-To: <199710071747.SAA03486@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Jill's comments on CoH snipped for space. I have finally got myself back on line after a lengthy absence and its good to see the regulars still chatting about good old Hawkwind. Whilst Church of Hawkwind is the topic here, a couple of questions: Numero uno: why the hell was the track order screwed up when the CD came out? Did Dave Brock have something to do with this? One of the things I always admired about the LP was the segueing of tracks and how the whole thing fitted together, especially side 2. Can anyone shed any light on this matter? I can only assume that to fit the new tracks in, the order had to be changed somewhat to make them seem part of the whole rather than a supplemental add on. Numero two: I had been into Hawkwind for about 3 years when CoH came out. I knew very little behind the scenes stuff about the group because I don`t think Kris Tait`s book had come out then. However, the album mentions Dr. Technical - is the first time Dave used this name or had he done so earlier? Now to a couple of aside observations which could be appropriate given the title of the album mentioned above. Many years ago, I was travelling on a train on the mainline into Kings Cross at London. Just south of Finsbury Park station sits the Rainbow Theatre, a sadly neglected monument to times past. This huge theatre is out of use at present which is a crying shame, especially considering the historicl moments it has seen. Anyway, sitting the other side of the coach were a couple of people and one said as we passed this theatre, "that was where I first saw Hawkwind". I looked over and recognised the look of someone who was reliving a special moment in their life. Then, recently I was on a long tedious flight back to the UK from Canada. I got talking with the bloke sitting next to me and it turned out he was a Hawkwind fan as well! None of my mates are into Hawkwind so it was really great to be able to communicate with someone first hand about such a brilliant group. When the topic of conversation got round to gigs, it was quite amusing in that we both sort of drifted off when describing the first time we saw Hawkwind live. Chuch of Hawkwind indeed!!! Whenever I have discussed other groups with people, there never seems to be such a special degree of some sort of "event" that there is with Hawkwind. What is it about Hawkwind that makes people think of them in such a special way? Anyone care to comment on this? Many thanks, Mark Edmonds From squinn at PALMNET.NET Thu Oct 23 10:57:37 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:57:37 -0400 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: > Chuck is a fine drummer, but I was never convinced that he was the "right" > drummer for BOC -- although I think he had a bit more distinctive style > that Wilcox, Riddle, Rondinelli, Micelli (who all are also fine drummers) - > a bit too much "in yer face" for BOC I think. Personally, I thought Rick > Downey, while no Albert (and who is?), did a decent job for them. > > Other "mistakes"? Hmm... > > Abandoning the "5 Guitars" - oh yeah, guess they needed At for that > > Promotion, or lack thereof, for much of their career > > No Box Set > > The extended delays of Ezekiel's Wheel > > Inflexibility in their live sets > > Buck's gold suit > > John Must say I disagree on your assessment of Mr. Rondinelli...saw BOC again last weekend in Tampa - about the 7th time this year...and I was once again very impressed by by Rondinelli's drum work. He, as far as I'm concerned is the first drummer for BOC since Albert that does justice to the occasional solos. For the lack of more articulate expressions, he kicks ass - makes me get up out my seat and bang my head during the show. For going any BOC, re-union Mr. Rondinelli is the right drummer for BOC. The current BOC line-up is the best since '85. Shawn From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Oct 23 15:09:06 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:09:06 +0200 Subject: Crum In-Reply-To: <199710231829.TAA19302@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there >When did Crum satrt playing kebyaords on the tour or has he been >doing it from the start? No! His 1st gig was TURNBRIDGE WELLS on 02.10.1997 >Also has Captain Rizz (CR) appeared every night? Yes (AFAIK) CR is doing the middle-parts of WHEELS and BRAINSTORM. I do not like it though it sounds OK in SHERMAN Bernhard From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Oct 24 11:10:04 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:10:04 +0200 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: >Shawn wrote: > >Must say I disagree on your assessment of Mr. Rondinelli...saw BOC again >last weekend in Tampa - about the 7th time this year...and I was once >again very impressed by by Rondinelli's drum work. He, as far as I'm >concerned is the first drummer for BOC since Albert that does justice to >the occasional solos. For the lack of more articulate expressions, he >kicks ass - makes me get up out my seat and bang my head during the >show. For going any BOC, re-union Mr. Rondinelli is the right drummer >for BOC. The current BOC line-up is the best since '85. > But but but but but but he's still not a real member of the band, right? And and and and and and and I have a vague memory of the name "Black Sabbath" instead of "Blue Oyster Cult" (!!!) written on his drumkit on BOCs Denmark show this summer... (... but I can be wrong, maybe it just was a nightmare - Scott or Charlotte or anyone - please help me with my failing memory) But but but but but but but maybe he'll be a full time member if Bill Ward stays in the Sabs... Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry, but I think Rondinelli is a very bor-yawn!-ing drummer... and boring drummerboys doesn't kick ass... 'tj? -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Oct 22 22:22:40 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:22:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Ezekiel's Wheel of "Best of" releases Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >1. Ca tour 1985; they should have worked it out with Albert to continue. > We already know this story. > > Yep - would've been great if a double-length album of *Imaginos* came out > instead of *Club Ninja*. Then again, I've speculated that this form of > *Imaginos* should've come out instead of *Mirrors* (not that the songs as > they were done in the 80s would've likely have sounded the same in 1979). > > >2. 1992-93 for Atlantic renegging the record deal. > > I wish I knew the full details of this one -- too much heresay as to what > really happened -- but "Ezekiel's Wheel" instead of "Cult Classics" would've > been nice... > > >4. For not being able to keep Chuck Burgi in the band, but that was more > of a Steve Schenk mess up. > > Chuck is a fine drummer, but I was never convinced that he was the "right" > drummer for BOC -- although I think he had a bit more distinctive style > that Wilcox, Riddle, Rondinelli, Micelli (who all are also fine drummers) - > a bit too much "in yer face" for BOC I think. Personally, I thought Rick > Downey, while no Albert (and who is?), did a decent job for them. > > Other "mistakes"? Hmm... > > Abandoning the "5 Guitars" - oh yeah, guess they needed At for that > > Promotion, or lack thereof, for much of their career > > No Box Set > > The extended delays of Ezekiel's Wheel > > Inflexibility in their live sets > > Buck's gold suit > > John Must say I disagree on your assessment of Mr. Rondinelli...saw BOC again last weekend in Tampa - about the 7th time this year...and I was once again very impressed by by Rondinelli's drum work. He, as far as I'm concerned is the first drummer for BOC since Albert that does justice to the occasional solos. For the lack of more articulate expressions, he kicks ass - makes me get up out my seat and bang my head during the show. For going any BOC, re-union Mr. Rondinelli is the right drummer for BOC. The current BOC line-up is the best since '85. Shawn From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Oct 24 11:48:22 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:48:22 -0400 Subject: The Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: The Video "Miracles DO Happen, Take One" is ready for orders. they will make great Christmas Presents! what started out as just Concert footage, has turned into a movie of Hope and Inspiration for all of us. You can check out the info on our web site: http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ The CD will be ready soon. chuck From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 24 12:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:02:00 +0100 Subject: Crum In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's mail of Thu, 23 Oct 97 21:09 +0200 Message-ID: On 23 Oct 20:09, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >Also has Captain Rizz (CR) appeared every night? > > Yes (AFAIK) > > CR is doing the middle-parts of WHEELS and BRAINSTORM. And of Reptoid Vision (at Edinburgh, anyway). Also, according to other people on the list, vocals over Space Is Their (Palestine). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 24 12:11:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:11:38 EDT Subject: The Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: From: "" > The Video "Miracles DO Happen, Take One" is ready for orders. they will make > great Christmas Presents! what started out as just Concert footage, has > turned into a movie of Hope and Inspiration for all of us. You can check out > the info on our web site: > http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ > > The CD will be ready soon. > > chuck Is this a CD of the show or a CD rom of some kind? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Oct 24 13:42:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (rattus norvegicus) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:42:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:07 24/10/97 +0100, Mark Edmonds wrote: >What is it about Hawkwind that makes people think of them in >such a special way? Anyone care to comment on this? To me it may be the sense of the whole "experience" being more than just a band... part of it is the "mythology" of their music, and partially the band's unique... eh.. agenda? They have an extremely rich history that is so fascinating that the novels or lyrics may as well be part of it all. Like so many german bands did, they picked up on the technological advances yet threw convention out the window, just keeping the ur-spinal throbbe... Hawkwind may be what cro-mags discovering a crashlanded UFO might have sounded like had they started making instruments of the wreckage.Try to label them and see how far you get. Wear a mohawk or wear flares, wear nothing and wear stares, wear Hawkwind and no one cares, because the righteous warriors at the end of Time know where it's at anyway. Their many adventures are chronicled thru time and space, yet their true reputation is but a cryptic one... Their tribal gatherings are a continuous bacchanalia of violent strobes attacking your cerebral cortex as your synapses are wrenched out of position by an avalanche of fuzz, infested with lyrics that symbiotically breed in organic clusters in the back of your spinal collumn to continually generate and transmit co(s)mically subversive information and supercharging your third eye. Hawkwind: an epic journey, a far out crazy groove thang, cosmic superheroes blazing a burning trail through the galaxies, their destination is their endless sojourn past infinity beyond the eternal null point of co(s)mic comprehension. It is no longer the crew onboard Hawkwind that's in command, it's the SHIP.... and it lives... and we are all onboard... and trying to figure out those blinking dials... and it ain't no joke! Hmm, I'll have to perform this at amateur poetry night sometime. Actually, I'll sum it up in two simple words: THEY ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah... Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 24 14:58:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:58:46 -0400 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: >Must say I disagree on your assessment of Mr. Rondinelli...saw BOC again last weekend in Tampa - about the 7th time this year...and I was once again very impressed by by Rondinelli's drum work. Hey, I did NOT knock Rodinelli's drumming -- all I said was that Chuck sounds more distinctive to me than some of the others, but that they were all fine drummers. I did not offer an opinion on how well Rondinelli fits in - and I really can't go on much other than 1 or 2 live tapes since I've never seen him live w/BOC. My comments were more in response to someone's suggestion that Chuck Burgi leaving BOC was a big loss. I also did not argue as to whether or not the current line-up is the "best" since '85. My attitude is the following -- I'm not a drummer, so I'm not qualified to go too in depth on this - however my brother is a drummer, and I think by playing bass, I have a decent appreciation of drumming. To my ears and personal taste, there is one Albert Bouchard and everyone else will probably always be just a substitute in my mind (and some of that is my acknowleged lack of full appreciation for some of the subtle differences in drumming styles) - even though they all are good drummers. When Rick Downey was in BOC, I thought he did a fine job, and there were some things I liked about his style. Jimmy Wilcox and Ron Riddle, both fine drummers, didn't strike me as anything unique, but the seemed to fit in fine. Chuck Burgi has a more agressive style and at times he was a bit over-powering for BOC, IMHO (again though, a fine drummer). I've never seen Micelli or Rondinelli live, although I've heard them on tape -- again, both seem to be fine drummers, although I don't hear anything particularly distinctive in their styles. 'Nuff said by me... John From travsboc at CRL.COM Fri Oct 24 15:34:27 1997 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:34:27 -0700 Subject: "Malpractise" insurance In-Reply-To: <199710240900.FAA16893@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: This new Brain Surgeons release is available directly from Al @Cellsum Records, Box 1070 Ft George Station, NY NY 10040-9998. Make an Intl Money Order payable to Albert Bouchard for $16 (US; only $14 domestic). Carl, what are these "fan club releases" and why the heck am I *not* already a member? Thanks. SF From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Oct 24 16:30:44 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:30:44 -0000 Subject: BOC: Drummers, Drummers and Percussionists Message-ID: Oh boy, we're having a real hootenany now... Mssr. Swartz wrote, >think by playing bass, I have a decent appreciation of drumming. To my >ears and personal taste, there is one Albert Bouchard and everyone else >will probably always be just a substitute in my mind (and some of that is >my acknowleged lack of full appreciation for some of the subtle differences >in drumming styles) - even though they all are good drummers. I think this illustrates nicely the fact that it's tough to bring anyone in to preform a piece that you might have written in the first place. Think about a piece by Bach. You can have the best organists of our time play it, and if one were to go back in time and listen to THE J.S. Bach play--I thnik you'd probably say something along the lines of "there is one J.S. Bach and everyone else will probably always be just a substitute." But then again interpretation of the orginal score/recording/etc is what makes such good stuff live on and on and on to the present day--The Challenge of reproducing and simultaneously recreating the spark of why you dig the piece in the first place is a laborious one indeed. Other examples include King Crimon through its multi-person career. Personally, I think John's right on the drummer issue---The music that we know as BOC on LP and in our mind's ear is representative of what BOC was then;keeping that certain special something and improving on it is BOC's biggest task to date. Hopefully, the _Wheel_ will roll with sufficient momentum to do just that. If whispers count, what happens to Email? (think of _the Vigil_. heehee) Jason From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Oct 24 17:34:39 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:34:39 -0600 Subject: BOC Drummers In-Reply-To: <344F65E1.7314@palmnet.net> Message-ID: Was this Tapa show the same one listed earlier as Pompano Beach? Or did they do several shows down there in FLA?? Any current schedule will be helpful for my records, as no dates have been listed on the Miles KB On Tour Forever Page. Thanks.....Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Oct 24 18:21:03 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:21:03 +0100 Subject: HW: new site under construction!!! Message-ID: Hi all >From tonight (CET) some time there will be a new Hawkwind site at: http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/hawkwind.html I say sometime because I'm currently trying to upload it with all ftp connections in use. The site is far from finished but it does include a complete live version of: STANDING AT THE EDGE. Well as complete as Hawkwind played it (50secs). Still they might see sense soon and do more fully again!! This version is from Worthing Assembly Halls (30/9/97). Let me know what you think of it. It's about 920K which I don't think is to big to play/download. Also let me know if the writers credits are wrong. Thanks Timmy Langner From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 24 19:57:37 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:57:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Drummers, Drummers and Percussionists Message-ID: > > I think this illustrates nicely the fact that it's tough to bring anyone in > to preform a piece that you might have written in the first place. Think > about a piece by Bach. You can have the best organists of our time play > it, and if one were to go back in time and listen to THE J.S. Bach play--I > thnik you'd probably say something along the lines of "there is one J.S. > Bach and everyone else will probably always be just a substitute." But That is so totally bogus! Not just because of trying to give BOC some ersatz cred by comparing them to acknowledged classics, but because before recording technology existed, music was composed with the express intention that it be performed by other people. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Oct 24 20:02:14 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:02:14 +0100 Subject: HW: re: web site Message-ID: Hi Quick update. I was having a nice time uploading to ftp site but that's now been solved so http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/hawkwind.html Should give the new web page. If it doesn't then I've done soemthing wrong. Timmy Langner From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Oct 24 20:29:01 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:29:01 -0400 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: jean l delacour wrote: > > Was this Tapa show the same one listed earlier as Pompano Beach? Or did > they do several shows down there in FLA?? > > Any current schedule will be helpful for my records, as no dates have been > listed on the Miles KB On Tour Forever Page. > > Thanks.....Manuel > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu They did two shows in FL - Tampa and Pampano. BOC substituted for Fog Hat - Steppenwolf and REO rounded out the show. BOC opened followed by Step - REO closed the show. Crowd really got into Buck's guitar solo during Last Days. 'bout the drummers - not a musician myself - couldn't carry a tune if I had a bucket. My opinion is strictly speaking from a long time hard rock music fan (BOC is of course the top of the list). I usually find the 'zilla drum solo a drag - until recently when Rodinelli started filling in - seemed to me to be more inspired. It's amazing how much opinion explaining goes on in this discussion group...lots of sensitive readers and writers... Shawn From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Oct 25 03:14:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:14:33 +0800 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: Hi all It's interesting the way they have been swapping around the drummers with Rainbow over the years. Chuck Burgi originally replaced Rondinelli in Rainbow. Recently their drummer was replaced by Chuck Burgi. I understand that drummer had been with BOC, then left to be replaced by Burgi, who left to rejoin Rainbow, to be replaced in BOC by Rondinelli. William From micci at SCI.FI Sat Oct 25 05:48:28 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:48:28 +0300 Subject: HW:trade Message-ID: Hi! Are anyone intresting these vinyls: Assassins of allah (bootleg) 12" hawklords 25 years (black vinyl!) I like trade them other hw, solo and related albums. Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Oct 25 07:22:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:22:19 +1000 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Andrew Gilham Received: 24 Oct 97 14:20 > guide :) and a ghastly Aussie bar - no offence, Sonique etc (well not much > anyway :)) - where the Bottom Line used to be. Careful .... I asked Nico to buy you a beer, wnat me to suggest the Pub as well? ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Oct 25 08:30:16 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:30:16 -0400 Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky Message-ID: Hi kids: It seems I have become the king of the lurkers once again. Think I'll crawl out and sniff the cool fall air, blow the stink off my carcass for a second, and then scurry away from the sunlight and back into hiding......... Anyway... Once upon a time a young lad named John Swartz said..... >PS: Pete Bohovesky's CD ought to be a real hoot - with tracks titled, >"Stinkin' up yer Bathroom", "Tanked Up and Horny", and "Grandma's >Vagina", it's pretty obvious that "Donkey Show" (also on the CD, BTW) >was just the tip of the iceberg for this guy. Way back 100 years ago when I was fortunate enough to catch the Surgeons at Spirits Tavern in Auburn, I got to chat for a bit with Peter and he mentioned this upcoming CD he had in then works. He started tossing song titles at me and I laughed pretty hard at what I thought was a JOKE! With song titles like "Grandma's Vagina" it was hard to take him serious!!!! I guess the joke was on me. ;^) Anyone know who jams with Peter on this album? Is "Donkey Show" the same Box of Hammers version? And to answer Theo's question about the Elmira gig; If I do anything these days, it's usually last minute. Probably won't be there, but hey you never know. Anyway, the sunlight is making me squint, better crawl back under my rock. Torgo Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************************** "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to The Internet, we know this is not true." *********************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Oct 25 08:32:14 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:32:14 +0100 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush Message-ID: > > > guide :) and a ghastly Aussie bar - no offence, Sonique etc (well not > > much > > anyway :)) - where the Bottom Line used to be. > > Careful .... I asked Nico to buy you a beer, wnat me to suggest the Pub as > well? > > ;^) > > Sonique I'll see him next to the big plastic kangaroo, then... it's that sort of place! :) Actually it's about time to sort out a pre-gig bar - the Moon on the Green (NW corner of the Green) looks like it might be the best bet, but then again the bar inside the Empire is perfectly OK. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Oct 25 09:54:44 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:54:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Drummers, Drummers and Percussionists-the case against? In-Reply-To: <01BCE0E1.166962C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy replied: >> I think this illustrates nicely the fact that it's tough to bring anyone in >> to preform a piece that you might have written in the first place. Think >> about a piece by Bach. You can have the best organists of our time play >> it, and if one were to go back in time and listen to THE J.S. Bach play--I >> thnik you'd probably say something along the lines of "there is one J.S. >> Bach and everyone else will probably always be just a substitute." But > >That is so totally bogus! Not just because of trying to give BOC some ersatz >cred by comparing them to acknowledged classics, but because before recording >technology existed, music was composed with the express intention that it be >performed by other people. I don't think i was quite clear enough. Here I go w/ Attempt 2: I wasn't comparing BOC to "acknowledged classics" in terms of stature. I just treated Bach and BOC as 2 ordinary composers of music. The point I tried to make was that when one is given to opportunity to hear the original performance of a work with the composer actually doing the musical piece, the way it sounds and impresses the memory is quite different than if 5 people who play instruments took up the guitar tab book for Cult Classic and proceed to play the material in there without ever hearing BOC before. The attitude and emphasis of notes would not be what we'd be used to listening to how ETI was originally intended for the most part. I don't see how this differs in the case of Bach. Sure, he didn't have recording media and wrote for other people...but I don't see any sign saying "The following piece of BOC's catalog is not to be imitated, "airguitared" by anyone else. Let the music be." That's all I'm saying. If I failed to clear things up, ah well. On the lamb, but ain't no sheep, Jason > From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Oct 25 09:15:21 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:15:21 +1000 Subject: HW: Tour Reviews Message-ID: Hi People, I knew I should have kept copies of all the tour reviews and comments lately ... An acquaintance if putting together a new Hawkwind-WWW project relating the current tour, and is after comments or reviews on the shows so far this tour. I've already sent the Strange Daze and Cubby Bear reviews posted to BOC-l to him. Has anyone kept copies of their UK show reviews? Thanks in advance Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dahl at AROS.NET Sat Oct 25 11:16:17 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:16:17 -0600 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath Message-ID: Hey there! Is there anybody out there that can help me get 2 tickets for the big Sabbath reunion? Thanks, Brad "Here I am, ready to help" Lawrence of Palladium http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Oct 25 11:24:25 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:24:25 +0100 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: <01BCE14A.7FF93800.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy G wrote: >Actually it's about time to sort out a pre-gig bar - the Moon on the Green >(NW corner of the Green) looks like it might be the best bet, but then again >the bar inside the Empire is perfectly OK. > >- Andy But then again, the beer in the Empire is perfectly dreadful :-{(> Keep me posted guys - my ticket finally arrived! ChrisW ObAssortedListening: Split/Groundhogs;Defender/RoryGallagher;Strangeitude/Ozrics (that's what decorating does to me...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Oct 25 13:17:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:17:54 +0100 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush Message-ID: > > >Actually it's about time to sort out a pre-gig bar - the Moon on the Green > >(NW corner of the Green) looks like it might be the best bet, but then > >again > >the bar inside the Empire is perfectly OK. > > > >- Andy > > But then again, the beer in the Empire is perfectly dreadful :-{(> > > Keep me posted guys - my ticket finally arrived! > > ChrisW Shall we say the Moon then? Surely not the Firkin! Or the Outback, or the Downunder, or the Flying Doctor, or whatever it's called... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kg at THING.DE Sat Oct 25 13:46:07 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:46:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Del Dettmar / melodic energy commission Message-ID: hi there, i was asked to put the following up here for your private irritainment: Most of the first two Melodic Energy commission albums "Stranger in Mystery", and "Migration of the Snails" has been issued on a CD titled: MOON PHASE COMPENDIUM V-HIP2 Vapor records, 680 Suma Street Victoria, BC, Canada V8T 4S6 Plans are in works to release some new finds in winter months 1997 for information, details... contact: xaliman at bc.sympatico.ca From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Oct 25 14:20:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:20:43 +0100 Subject: HW Very Breriflty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi gang, um sorry about the breif podst drink agin just spoke to guy at HMV new album is aout on the 4 NOV 4/nov ok? -- Jon Browne From AgentOF at AOL.COM Sat Oct 25 16:52:58 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:52:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Video Message-ID: Figured out I didn't get the mail because I forgot to put BOC in the heading (hehe) For those that didn't get the first message, (including myself:-) the Buck Dharma Video is ready for purchase at http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ It's only in NTSC format but will be in PAL and soon as I already have orders for PAL chuck "Miracles DO Happen, Take One" http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 25 19:21:34 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:21:34 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:05:55 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > On Thursday, October 23, 1997 12:12 AM, C Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] > wrote: > > Hey, anyone have the the full details on this bizarre collaboration > > in the 80's? Any cold data as year, place etc. appreciated > > since it's for an article... and does anyone have this single (?)? > > Course they do! I've got one here signed by Turner (there was a time when > UN-signed copies of Nik/ICU records were rarer than signed ones): "Get > radioactive! Nik Turner"... make of that what you will! It came out in > 1979, in fact. "Nuclear Waste" c/w "Digital Love", by The Radio Actors. This used to be available through the Gong people (GAS) but as that organisation is a tad like the guy in the legend who goes to sleep for decades, wakes up for a while (no older than when he went to sleep) wanders around for a bit and then goes back to sleep again I'm not sure how easy you will find it to contact them! It's always possible that C&D might be able to track one down for you 8-) jill obCHOGCpeeve> came up the steps from my cellar area tonight to find a policeman lurking at the top with a truncheon in his hand. This security nonsense is becoming a farce (I hope)! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sun Oct 26 01:12:55 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:12:55 -0500 Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky Message-ID: Torgo wrote: > Anyone know who jams with Peter on this album? Is "Donkey Show" the same > Box of Hammers version? Albert drums on seven of the tracks, including "Donkey Show", which is a different version. A bunch of different players on the CD, no names I recognized (except I think his girlfriend sings on one). This is a remarkably vile CD, and highly recommended. Very funny, with inventive, funky guitar workouts. He gets serious once or twice and that works too. The cover alone is worth the asking price - a disturbingly grotesque profile of Pete. I got the CD this summer and took the cover for some type of trick photography, until he graciously volunteered to duplicate it in person (accomplished by wedging a guitar pick under his upper lip). A true renaissance man. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Oct 26 05:25:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (charged with cosmic energy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 11:25:35 +0100 Subject: OFF/BOC: The Sweet! In-Reply-To: <971026011254_1047356864@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I need to pick up a Sweet comp... Anyway, I keep seeing the song Stairway to The Stars listed as a track - now, is it a cover of the BOC song? That would be absolutely brilliant... Christian From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Oct 25 02:53:48 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:53:48 -0700 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts Message-ID: > >What is it about Hawkwind that makes people think of them in > >such a special way? Anyone care to comment on this? > > To me it may be the sense of the whole "experience" being more than just a > band... part of it is the "mythology" of their music, and partially the > band's unique... eh.. agenda? They have an extremely rich history > that is so fascinating that the novels or lyrics may as well be part > of it all. Like so many german bands did, they picked up on the > technological advances yet threw convention out the window, just keeping > the ur-spinal throbbe... Hawkwind may be what cro-mags discovering > a crashlanded UFO might have sounded like had they started making > instruments of the wreckage. Highly quotable! Try to label them and see how far you get. Wear > a mohawk or wear flares, wear nothing and wear stares, wear Hawkwind > and no one cares, because the righteous warriors at the end of Time > know where it's at anyway. Their many adventures are chronicled > thru time and space, yet their true reputation is but a cryptic one... > Their tribal gatherings are a continuous bacchanalia of violent > strobes attacking your cerebral cortex as your synapses are wrenched > out of position by an avalanche of fuzz, infested with lyrics that > symbiotically breed in organic clusters in the back of your spinal > collumn to continually generate and transmit co(s)mically subversive > information and supercharging your third eye. Hawkwind: an epic journey, > a far out crazy groove thang, cosmic superheroes blazing a burning > trail through the galaxies, their destination is their endless sojourn > past infinity beyond the eternal null point of co(s)mic comprehension. It > is no longer the crew onboard Hawkwind that's in command, it's the SHIP.... > and it lives... and we are all onboard... and trying to figure out those > blinking dials... and it ain't no joke! > > Hmm, I'll have to perform this at amateur poetry night sometime. > > Actually, I'll sum it up in two simple words: THEY ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > yeah... > Christian Well put, Christian! I'm going to save this for posterity--it's as cheesy and maybe even cooler than my own ale-inspired Hawk-poems of a couple of months ago. Thanks, Charlie OBCD: Zappa: The Best Band You Never heard in Your Life From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Oct 26 09:24:57 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:24:57 +0800 Subject: OFF/BOC: The Sweet! Message-ID: >I need to pick up a Sweet comp... Anyway, I keep seeing the song >Stairway to The Stars listed as a track - now, is it a cover of >the BOC song? That would be absolutely brilliant... Nope. This is in fact a Sweet song recorded in 1976. There are very few covers by the Sweet. William From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Oct 26 11:50:42 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:50:42 +0000 Subject: HW Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: <01BCE172.6BADB9C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: AndyG wrote: >Shall we say the Moon then? Surely not the Firkin! Or the Outback, or the >Downunder, or the Flying Doctor, or whatever it's called... > >- Andy > Sounds fine to me - anybody else? ChrisW ObCD: Introducing Larry Coryell's Eleventh House ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 26 16:58:06 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:58:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts In-Reply-To: <19971026134732454.AAA116@herbrose> Message-ID: In article <19971026134732454.AAA116 at herbrose>, Chuck Rosenberg writes >OBCD: Zappa: The Best Band You Never heard in Your Life Hey, if you're OBCDing Zappa, don't forget "One Size Fits All" and "Zappa in New York" - perfectly brilliant albums. From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Mon Oct 27 00:40:40 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 00:40:40 -0500 Subject: HW/NIK: Turner & Sting Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Hey, anyone have the the full details on this bizarre collaboration >>in the 80's? Any cold data as year, place etc. appreciated >>since it's for an article... and does anyone have this single (?)? >> Yes, you'll find this listed on The Artist Shop's Voiceprint page at . Certainly an odd collection of characters you wouldn't expect to find on the same disc. But over all I think it works well. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Oct 27 04:00:09 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Reading gig Message-ID: Dear boclers, the last time I looked on the web site it was claimed that HW would be at Reading Alleycats on 7th November. This is not the case, as the rather splendid Alabama 3 will be playing then. Alleycats are not having HW because they have been messed around by them so much. I am not warning you off going on that date, as Alabama 3 are well worth a dance to, just warning you that if you turn up then you will not hear the sonic shufflings of those grooved out spacedelicians Hawkwind. Mike w From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Oct 27 09:08:41 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:08:41 GMT Subject: HW: Reading cancled? Message-ID: Hi I just got my money back from alley cats with a letter (dated 20/11/97) saying that it has been cancled. This letter was dated after the HW web update so to check I phoned them up to ask if the hawkwind were playing and they said no. So it looks like another gig gone which so far has had this done to it: first been resedualed (before the venue of announced) then resedualed again then cancled then put back on finaly cancled .... Unless they put it back on or move the date again? I suspose anytihng possible with hawkwind. If any one has any other info on it I'd be interested. So I think they need to update their web site. It's ashame really because now I can only see hawkwind twice instead of 3 times. And I have never seen them before so was looking forward to it. Let hope they don't cancle any more gigs before they happen. Timmy Langner From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 27 09:09:01 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:09:01 -0500 Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky Message-ID: >Once upon a time a young lad named John Swartz You mean an "old fart", don't you? ;-) >Anyone know who jams with Peter on this album? Is "Donkey Show" the same Box of Hammers version? Don't know, but if not answered before I get all my CDs, you will get some reviews posted here. > *********************************************************************** "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to The Internet, we know this is not true." *********************************************************************** ROTFLMAO! By the way, there is a small section in my tBS site dedicated to Torgo - well, sort of. I've listed a bunch of reviews of tBS albums and gigs on my site, and I have grouped all of those done by Torgo as a separte section. Keep thoughs cool reviews coming Torgo... John From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Oct 27 13:40:59 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:40:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! Message-ID: I had an exciting weekend, Hawkwind-wise. Since no one I've met is really a fan of the band, please permit me to gloat here! I took Mike Habiby's advice and checked out a couple of the local, over-priced CD chain outlets. Mike had told me that the Camelot chain was selling CDs from the defunct Griffin label in their bargain bins. He even proved this to me by sending me a CD of _Levitation_ - thanks, Mike! So I went to 2 stores. The first one had a bin right near the entrance, labelled "Our Biggest Import Sale Ever" or something to that effect. (Although the Griffin label is/was based in the USA, right?) Most of the CDs in the rack were priced US$5.99. Another label on the rack declared "Buy One Get One Free". So, for a total of ~$3 each, I picked up the following Griffin CDs: Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 Independent Days Volumes 1 & 2 Best of Friends & Relations Friends & Relations - The Rarities Simon House - Yassasim Mike Moorcock & The Deep Fix - New World's Fair I also picked up a compilation by the band Gryphon called _The Collection_ (also on the Griffin label) and _Freudiana_, a CD from 1990 by members of the Alan Parsons Project. I visited a second store where the prices weren't quite as good, where I picked up _The Best of Eloy Volume 1: 1972-75_ for US$8. I also saw the recently-discussed _Nuclear Waste_ CD featuring Sting, Nik Turner, et al. I might go back and pick that up, too. It was packaged in a can, and I think it was just a CD single. Other things of interest that I spotted: Mike Oldfield _Islands_ Hawkwind _QSC_,_Levitation_, _The Business Trip_ (digipak) Psychedelic Warriors _The White Zone_ Man _Call Down the Moon_ All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Other CDs I saw from other labels: Camel's _The Collection_, Steve Howe's _Beginnings_ (Japanese import), and many others. So I'd advise anyone who didn't snatch up all the Hawkwind Griffin CDs yet to pay a visit to one of these Camelot-related stores (like Coconuts & Musicland) ASAP. MWood From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 27 14:48:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:48:06 GMT Subject: HW: London pub meet? Message-ID: Any ideas for where to meet before the London gig on Halloween? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 27 14:57:56 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:57:56 GMT Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: Sorry to intrude with an off-topic issue, but it shouldn't take long--and I know there are plenty of people who can advise me on BOC-L ;) I have tried to translate the English phrase "The sword of the mighty does not sleep" (or "The sword of the mighty sleeps not") into Swedish. Unfortunately, my limited Swedish is not good enough, I think! The best guess I had was: De ma"ktigas sva"rd ej sover. That's probably wrong, so any help from the List-svenskar would be appreciated! I can't quite figure out how to make it clear that the sva"rd belongs to de ma"ktiga .... Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Oct 27 15:23:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:23:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Sorry to intrude with an off-topic issue, but it shouldn't take >long--and I know there are plenty of people who can advise me on BOC-L ;) > > I have tried to translate the English phrase "The sword of the mighty >does not sleep" (or "The sword of the mighty sleeps not") into Swedish. >Unfortunately, my limited Swedish is not good enough, I think! The best >guess I had was: De ma"ktigas sva"rd ej sover. > > That's probably wrong, so any help from the List-svenskar would be >appreciated! I can't quite figure out how to make it clear that the sva"rd >belongs to de ma"ktiga .... OK; "De m?ktiga" is plural but the english phrase is in singular, right?! ...and you have to put "ej" in the end of the sentence. "De m?ktigas sv?rd sover ej:" is OK if you want to use the plural form. or in singular; "Den m?ktiges sv?rd sover ej". But it sounds quite silly... a little more poetic translation could be like; "Den m?ktiges sv?rd _vilar_ ej" But I think this one is the best: "Ej vilar den m?ktiges sv?rd" (or "Ej sover den m?ktiges sv?rd".) "Vila" ="rest"... but in this context it works better than "sova/sleep". mvh -Daniel ps ... and where did you find this phrase? ds "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Oct 27 15:46:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:46:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:57 27/10/97 GMT, you wrote: > Sorry to intrude with an off-topic issue, but it shouldn't take >long--and I know there are plenty of people who can advise me on BOC-L ;) > > I have tried to translate the English phrase "The sword of the mighty >does not sleep" (or "The sword of the mighty sleeps not") into Swedish. >Unfortunately, my limited Swedish is not good enough, I think! The best >guess I had was: De ma"ktigas sva"rd ej sover. Swap the two last words and get: "De m?ktigas sv?rd sover ej" or perhaps less pompous: "De m?ktigas sv?rd sover inte". Of course in Norwegian it would be: "De mektiges sverd sover ei" or "De mektiges sverd sover ikke". In Danish, it is: "De m?ktiges sverd sover ej" or "De m?ktiges sverd sover ikke". In "New Norwegian" (a horrible constructed side dialect of Norwegian) it would be: "De mektiges sverd sover ikkje". I'll ask the Icelandic guy at work if you need it in *true* viking-speak :) > That's probably wrong, so any help from the List-svenskar would be >appreciated! I can't quite figure out how to make it clear that the sva"rd >belongs to de ma"ktiga .... Just butcher the lowly peasants man! That will show 'em who's in charge.... Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Oct 27 15:48:43 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:48:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971027202348.0090cbdc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 21:23 27/10/97 +0100, Daniel wrote: >OK; "De m?ktiga" is plural but the english phrase is in singular, right?! >...and you have to put "ej" in the end of the sentence. >"De m?ktigas sv?rd sover ej:" is OK if you want to use the plural form. >or in singular; "Den m?ktiges sv?rd sover ej". >But it sounds quite silly... a little more poetic translation could be like; >"Den m?ktiges sv?rd _vilar_ ej" >But I think this one is the best: >"Ej vilar den m?ktiges sv?rd" (or "Ej sover den m?ktiges sv?rd".) > >"Vila" ="rest"... but in this context it works better than "sova/sleep". Hm. OK, din svensk er bedre enn min! Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 27 16:06:19 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:06:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! Message-ID: > Man _Call Down the Moon_ > > All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can > anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I > may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Check it out, it's really good! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 27 16:10:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:10:29 -0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? Message-ID: On Monday, October 27, 1997 7:48 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > Any ideas for where to meet before the London gig on Halloween? > > Cheers, > Carl I thought we'd agreed on the Moon on the Green? NW corner of Shepherd's Bush Green (the Empire's on the SW corner). - Andy ObLatin: In dubiis constant :) -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 27 17:06:50 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:06:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: PT gig cancellation Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Just saw this on PT-trans and thought if there were any listmembers intending to go to this one, you should find them elsewhere. Forwarded from Ivor Trueman.... Porcupine Tree - Milton Keynes, Wednesday 29th October has been cancelled. Keith H. (FAA) From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Oct 27 17:25:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:25:53 -0800 Subject: BOC Drummers Message-ID: Merits of BOC drummers huh? Oct 94 - Awesome show. Extremely sharp. Drummer kicked booty. Oct. 95 - Good show, the band was sharp. Whoever was behind the kit was pretty good. Oct 96 - Second show after a lengthy layoff. Eric didn't sing, Danny pouted, Alan was on the Vigil train and only Buck was sharp. HArd to tell if this drummer was any good. Oct. 97 - Betrayed by EW recording sessions, no annual BOC show this year. No comment on drummer. For the money they may not be great but they are all professional. lil' ab "What's in a name anyway? If I were called Bob or Jack or Vinny or a piece of fruit, would I be any less a hero? And if Barry were called Ruppert, Max or rainbow would he be any less a jerk? I don't think so. Because a name is a rose and it only smells as sweet as you are." - The Tick OBCD - Saigon Kick - Water From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Oct 27 17:31:57 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:31:57 CST Subject: CHOGC peeve? Message-ID: Sometime today (I think), Jill wrote: >obCHOGCpeeve> came up the steps from my cellar area tonight to find a >policeman lurking at the top with a truncheon in his hand. This >security nonsense is becoming a farce (I hope)! What's up with this? Is 1984 coming true in the UK, even with Thatcher and Major ousted from power? Have there been riots in Edinburgh recently, or something? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Oct 27 22:00:07 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:00:07 -0700 Subject: Bozzio, Levins, Stevens Message-ID: Hello! There were several postings in the last week or so regarding Bozzio, Levins, Stevens which I accidently deleted along with some others. I saw a favorable review of their current CD in Bass Player magazine recently that piqued my interest. Does anyone have those messages still floating around? If so, could you forward them to my email address? Thanks! James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Oct 27 16:24:51 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:24:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind - explanation of sorts In-Reply-To: <2pNSrDAuz7U0Ewcs@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 21:58 26/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <19971026134732454.AAA116 at herbrose>, Chuck Rosenberg > writes > >>OBCD: Zappa: The Best Band You Never heard in Your Life > >Hey, if you're OBCDing Zappa, don't forget "One Size Fits All" and >"Zappa in New York" - perfectly brilliant albums. > And twenty or thirty others.... That's a deviation worthy of me *g* ChrisW ObCD: Guts/John Cale ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Oct 28 01:03:47 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:03:47 +1000 Subject: OFF: Dilbert (was Re: tBS: Peter Bohovesky) Message-ID: At 09:09 AM 27/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >*********************************************************************** >"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million > typewriters would eventually reproduce the entire works of > Shakespeare. > > Now, thanks to The Internet, we know this is not true." >*********************************************************************** > >ROTFLMAO! My Dilbert calendar for last Saturday also mentioned the typing monkeys theory: Dilbert: Well? What do you think of my new poem? Dogbert: I once read that given infinite time, a thousand monkeys with typewriters would eventually write the entire works of Shakespeare. Dilbert: But what about MY poem? Dogbert: Three monkeys, ten minutes. Pete. (So glad I could share this with you) ObTVMovieTrivia: How about that "poor sod" Morse's first name, eh? ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Oct 28 04:20:54 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:20:54 -0700 Subject: Eloy: Dawn Message-ID: Hi all! I am desperately in need of Eloy's "Dawn" on CD. My tape copy died in the middle of my "evening with Eloy" :( (I managed to listen to 10 solid hours of Eloy tonite) . Used,in good condition is ok too!! Thanx in advance:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool On 27 Oct 22:31, Allan T. Grohe Jr. wrote: > Sometime today (I think), Jill wrote: > > >obCHOGCpeeve> came up the steps from my cellar area tonight to find a > >policeman lurking at the top with a truncheon in his hand. This > >security nonsense is becoming a farce (I hope)! > > What's up with this? Is 1984 coming true in the UK, even with Thatcher > and Major ousted from power? Well, at the pub last night someone was trying to convince us it was just like how the nazis gained control in the 30s... What's actually happening is the annual Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, which is being held this year in the UK; to be more precise, in Edinburgh. The city's hotels are hosts to the leaders of around 50 nations across the world, and their advisers and entourage. Not surprisingly, there is a noticeable security presence for this week. Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland, yet its residents seem to have two minds on whether its a proper capital or not. They want the prestige, but not the inconvenience. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 28 04:49:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:49:06 GMT Subject: HW: Shepherds Bush phone #? Message-ID: Does anyone have the _correct_ phone number for the Shepherds Bush Empire Box Office? The number I had for them seems to have gotten me their fax machine (which was of limited assistance in acquiring HW tix!) Cheers, Carl From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Oct 28 04:49:31 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:49:31 -0800 Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky-Tourette's Syndrome Message-ID: wrote: > > > Anyone know who jams with Peter on this album? Is "Donkey Show" the same > > Box of Hammers version? > > Albert drums on seven of the tracks, including "Donkey Show", which is a > different version. A bunch of different players on the CD, no names I > recognized (except I think his girlfriend sings on one). > > This is a remarkably vile CD, and highly recommended. Very funny, with > inventive, funky guitar workouts. He gets serious once or twice and that > works too. The cover alone is worth the asking price - a disturbingly > grotesque profile of Pete. I got the CD this summer and took the cover for > some type of trick photography, until he graciously volunteered to duplicate > it in person (accomplished by wedging a guitar pick under his upper lip). A > true renaissance man. Would appreciate lyrics to "Tourette's Syndrome", if available. A TS victim, Charlie From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Tue Oct 28 04:55:26 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:55:26 -0000 Subject: Shepherds Bush phone #? Message-ID: Yes, but the noise coming back down the line does sound a bit like a track from IITBOTFTBD Mike P ---------- From: Carl Edlund Anderson[SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: 28 October 1997 09:49 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Shepherds Bush phone #? Does anyone have the _correct_ phone number for the Shepherds Bush Empire Box Office? The number I had for them seems to have gotten me their fax machine (which was of limited assistance in acquiring HW tix!) Cheers, Carl From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Oct 28 06:10:34 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:10:34 +1000 Subject: Eloy: Dawn Message-ID: On 28 Oct 97 at 2:20, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Hi all! > I am desperately in need of Eloy's "Dawn" on CD. My tape copy died in > the middle of my "evening with Eloy" :( (I managed to listen to 10 > solid hours of Eloy tonite) . Used,in good condition is ok too!! > Thanx in advance:) Wot a co-incidence ... I'm sitting here (still at work) with Chronicles 1 going at about 120 dB ;^) I saw a copy of Dawn on CD a while back in a city (Melbourne) store. I'll see if I can pick it up for you on the weekend (that is if I can avoid the temptation to complement my vinyl copy .....) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 28 05:51:11 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:51:11 GMT Subject: HW Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Nearest tube is probably Goldhawk Road, as it goes - if you do fly down, > Heathrow is *much* more convenient than Gatwick because you can get the > Piccadilly Line to Hammersmith, then change for one stop along the H'smith & > City. G'hawk Rd tube is just off G'hawk Rd itself - you'd need to turn right > along the main road for about 200 yds until you get to Shepherd's Bush Green, > and there you are, right outside the Empire, at the western end of the Green > - in between the Fringe and Firkin (but it'll be something else in your pub > guide :) and a ghastly Aussie bar - no offence, Sonique etc (well not much > anyway :)) - where the Bottom Line used to be. So which pub will we all be meeting in? FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 28 05:40:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:40:32 +0000 Subject: HW: album gossip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HMV are puttin the new album into their "2 for ?22" campaign on day of release. So pay no more than..... The Richmond (an Outer London suburb) branch ordered 6 copies, which I guess is healthy enough. -- Jon Browne ObCD - Kaleidoscope - Dive Into Yesterday From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Tue Oct 28 09:11:55 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:11:55 -0800 Subject: HW: bargain bin CD's Message-ID: >I had an exciting weekend, Hawkwind-wise. Since no one I've met >is really a fan of the band, please permit me to gloat here! > >I took Mike Habiby's advice and checked out a couple of the local, >over-priced CD chain outlets. Mike had told me that the Camelot >chain was selling CDs from the defunct Griffin label in their >bargain bins. He even proved this to me by sending me a CD of >_Levitation_ - thanks, Mike! Yikes! Man, too bad I live in Canada! You wouldn't be able to find more copies of some of these would you??? > >So I went to 2 stores. The first one had a bin right near the >entrance, labelled "Our Biggest Import Sale Ever" or something >to that effect. (Although the Griffin label is/was based in the >USA, right?) Most of the CDs in the rack were priced US$5.99. >Another label on the rack declared "Buy One Get One Free". So, >for a total of ~$3 each, I picked up the following Griffin CDs: > > Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 > Independent Days Volumes 1 & 2 > Best of Friends & Relations > Friends & Relations - The Rarities > Simon House - Yassasim > Mike Moorcock & The Deep Fix - New World's Fair > I'd need: the Griffin "Levitation" (the one with Nuclear toy) the Mike Moorcock/Deep Fix cd the Simon House cd the Psychedelic Warriors "White Zone" cd > Psychedelic Warriors _The White Zone_ >MWood > > If you think this is possible, give me a price that you would need in order to pick these up and ship them up to Canada. If not, well, you can't blame me for trying... Thanks. Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Oct 28 08:36:48 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:36:48 -0500 Subject: HW: bargain bin CD's Message-ID: BL Young wrote: > Yikes! Man, too bad I live in Canada! You wouldn't be able to > find more copies of some of these would you??? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could... > I'd need: > the Griffin "Levitation" (the one with Nuclear toy) > the Mike Moorcock/Deep Fix cd > the Simon House cd > the Psychedelic Warriors "White Zone" cd > If you think this is possible, give me a price that you would > need in order to pick these up and ship them up to Canada. Sure, it's possible. While I am willing to do this for you for cash, I'd be more interested in trade material, if you've got any. Any bootlegs you'd be willing to tape for me? Not just Hawkwind. Or just about anything else you'd be willing to trade. If not, that's OK, too. I'm certain I can get the Deep Fix/House/Psy Warriors CDs for about $12 total. The Levitation CD is available, but not in the 2-for-1 store, so that'd cost me about $8. Add tax and shipping to Canada... I'd say $25 total for the 4 CDs. Since I'm a little short of cash right now, here's what I propose. You send me the check, then I'll buy the CDs. I won't cash your check until after I've bought the CDs. Then I'll pack 'em up and within a few days you'll be rocking. It'll be at least a week before I get back to the shop that had the 2-for-1 deal. MWood NP: _Friends & Relations - The Rarities_ From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Oct 28 08:39:29 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:39:29 -0500 Subject: HW: bargain bin CD's faux pas Message-ID: DAMN. Man, dontcha just hate people who don't check their headers before they hit the send button! Sorry about that folks. Obviously that was intended for private e-mail. Though if the subject matter interests anyone else, contact me privately. Or at least attempt to.... MWood From micci at SCI.FI Tue Oct 28 10:05:01 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:05:01 +0200 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Hi! Can someone tell new Krel cd catalog number, please. Also, this is probably useless, but I must still try. I have Hawkfan 21 vinyl, but missing carrier bag, so if someone have that bag but no vinyl (or want give up it), please contact. Miikka Wagner http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Oct 28 10:26:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:26:15 GMT Subject: Crum (Forward) Message-ID: >And of Reptoid Vision (at Edinburgh, anyway). Also, according to >other people on the list, vocals over Space Is Their (Palestine). I like the vocals over space is thier (pastline) Make it sound even more oriental than it already sounds. Why doesn't Crum play some more? After all whats an extra keyboard player going to do to the sound. Instead of playing he just sits and watches (from what I've read). Far better to get him on stage. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 28 10:49:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:49:00 +0000 Subject: off:krel In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's mail of Tue, 28 Oct 97 17:05 +0200 Message-ID: On 28 Oct 15:05, Miikka Wagner wrote: > Can someone tell new Krel cd catalog number, please. Dead Earnest DERNCD 11. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Oct 28 05:42:46 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:42:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: PT gig cancellation In-Reply-To: <199710272206.RAA05126@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In article <199710272206.RAA05126 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes > >Porcupine Tree - Milton Keynes, Wednesday 29th October >has been cancelled. Milton Keynes - Kiss of Death! Does *anyone* in Milton Keynes go to gigs anymore? -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Oct 28 12:03:51 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:03:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: >Christian wrote: > >Hm. OK, din svensk er bedre enn min! Ehrm, I hope so... :-) But you don't have to ask the guy at work for a Icelandic translation - I can translate it for you: "M?ktigur sv?rdur sovur neinur"... or something like that... med v?nliga drittsekkar -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Oct 28 12:09:02 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:09:02 -0700 Subject: Eloy: Dawn Message-ID: > Wot a co-incidence ... I'm sitting here (still at work) with Chronicles 1 > going at about 120 dB ;^) > > I saw a copy of Dawn on CD a while back in a city (Melbourne) store. I'll see > if I can pick it up for you on the weekend (that is if I can avoid the > temptation to complement my vinyl copy .....) You are awesome-lemme know how much I'll need to send you!!Rock on! Pam > > > Sonique > > -- > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may > sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they > UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool >Whenever I have discussed other groups with people, there never seems to >be such a special degree of some sort of "event" that there is with >Hawkwind. What is it about Hawkwind that makes people think of them in >such a special way? Anyone care to comment on this? >Mark Edmonds I came to Hawkwind via my borther. I ahd been listening to Status Quo and bleus and I was into Dr who in a big way (Still am). So he played in a tape someone ahd complied for him. It inclduedeverything from master of universe to Imeges and at the itme I assumed was in cronical order so I thought You better belvie wa from same period as images. Any way in reply to why I liked it I use to say to him (with an excited smile) "It's the effects" And that was that really. I loved master of the universe and also Shouldn't do that. Not to mention Leveitation And if you want to know what makes me think of hawkwind in a speicla way: Go to every concert on a tour (I'm about to go to my first 2) and see how many nigths sound exactly the same! Well from tapes I've got from various concerts, in various years, 0. I have jet to find 2 concerts from eon tour which sound the same. But if you can afford to do that then just stick on "Shouldn't Do That" from ISOS. That is one great track with a great track length to compliment it. Perpahs thats way I like it. But the guitars have a stnadrd riff which changes sometimes and then just lots and lots and lots of sax on top. It's just ahsame they can't do the song now! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Oct 28 17:11:48 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:11:48 -0800 Subject: Pete B's CD and Strapping Young Lad Message-ID: >>This is a remarkably vile CD, and highly recommended. So is this in the Sick & Twisted/Heavy Metal category? >>Once upon a time a young lad named John Swartz >>You mean an "old fart", don't you? ;-) They should have said "strapping young lad named John Swartz" Here's a simple test to see if you are an old fart or a strapping young lad: 1. Can you recite any lines from the TV series F-Troop. 2. Was the series Rat Patrol about a) War in South Africa, b) War in North Africa or c) some ludicrous prequel to Ghostbusters? 3. Can you name the original lineup for the bands Hawkwind or Blue Oyster Cult? If you can answer any of those you are a flatulent flatliner aka old fart. 8>) Ciao lil'ab OBCD - Brand X - Masques "And so he says to me, you want to be a bad guy and I say yeah baby, I want to be bad. I said Surfs up space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps." - Evil Midnight Bomber From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 28 17:18:12 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:18:12 +0000 Subject: HW: album gossip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:40 28/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >-- >Jon Browne >ObCD - Kaleidoscope - Dive Into Yesterday > Another "blast from the past" - I'm having quite a night! ObCD: Still on the Bill Frisell From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 28 17:10:29 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:10:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! In-Reply-To: <3454E03B.3BA2@agile.com> Message-ID: At 13:40 27/10/97 -0500, Mwood wrote: >I also picked up a compilation by the band Gryphon called _The >Collection_ (also on the Griffin label) Hmmm, Gryphon, a very curious "blast from the past": I have "Treason", one of their later albums which was languishing in my father-in-law's house. Quite pleasant, but not something I play a lot. If memory serves me well, there first two ore three were more interesting. > >--snip--< > >Other things of interest that I spotted: > > Mike Oldfield _Islands_ > Hawkwind _QSC_,_Levitation_, _The Business Trip_ (digipak) > Psychedelic Warriors _The White Zone_ > Man _Call Down the Moon_ > >All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can >anyone recommend it? It's not in the same class as "Twang Dynasty", but it's certainly not awful, and definitely worth a listen if you like Man. ChrisW ObCD: Where In The World?/Bill Frisell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "May those who love us. Love us. And those that don't love us May God turn their hearts. And if, He doesn't turn their hearts May He turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Oct 28 17:19:05 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:19:05 -0800 Subject: Some BOC (sort of) and KX Message-ID: Thought I share this with the few King's X fans from this list (Theo) who are not part of the KX mailing list: AB, here is something from the Brave Radio that I thought you'd like to see.. do you get br? I will forward the most recent one to you. ~Ryan 6) KING'S X Track: Prisoner (Track #2) Album: KING'S X (Atlantic/Warner) Time: 4:12 (C) KING'S X release Best Of King's X on November 11. The tracklisting includes the following: 'King', 'Goldilox', 'Summerland', 'Pleiades', 'It's Love', 'Mr. Wilson', 'Black Flag', 'Lost In Germany', 'Dogman', 'Cigarettes', 'The Train', 'Looking For Love' and 'Life Going By'. The collection also contains three previously unreleased tracks, 'Sally', 'April Showers' and 'Lover', as well as the live version of 'Over My Head'... BTW Theo better get Ty's solo soon. He's re-doing it as some record company is gonna put it in stores. He plays all instruments on the direct sale version. Alan Doss of Galactic Cowboys will play drums on the commercial version. Oh BOC content. Just noticed that one of the entries in my company's global address book reads "BOC, Les" L8er lil' ab "And so he syas to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go , I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Oct 28 18:14:24 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:14:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: KX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Train', 'Looking For Love' and 'Life Going By'. The collection also >contains three previously unreleased tracks, 'Sally', 'April Showers' >and >'Lover', as well as the live version of 'Over My Head'... > disappointing that 'Freedom' and 'I Change My Mind' aren't on there, but I'm sure the other new ones will be good....from what I heard of 'April Showers' it some nice vocals by Doug and some pretty nice guitar licks too >BTW Theo better get Ty's solo soon. He's re-doing it as some record >company is gonna put it in stores. He plays all instruments on the >direct sale version. Alan Doss of Galactic Cowboys will play drums on >the commercial version. > I'll second this! Ty's album is definitely one of the best releases this year.... and the re-recorded version reportedly won't contain all the same songs....some new stuff will be on it and apparently some of the stuff on the original version won't be there Ted From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Oct 28 18:22:15 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:22:15 +1000 Subject: Announcing the HAWKCAST Message-ID: Greetings fellow Children of the Hawk! ************************* New Site Announcement!! ************************* Hosted by punkcast.com, a collaboration between Visionary Communications and Joly's on-line Pin Stand presents PUNKCAST#2, featuring the Hawkwind UK Tour Oct 1997!! The site features streamed audio clips (Real Audio) and images from the Morecambe, Southport and Manchester gigs, and soon to be be enhanced with interviews, reviews and possibly video, it is a must see for every hawkfan! To get there, point your browser at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/hawkwind/hawkcast.html Yours in Hawk-Space, Sonique *************************** Activism in Spirit **************************** http://www.distrito.com/usuarios/photog/barbie/ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/4245/ *************************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To be removed from this mailing list, just click this link & hit "Send" mailto:Sonic_Bilby at bigfoot.com?Subject=Leave-SB-Announcer If you know someone who would like to be on this list, send them a copy of this message and tell them to click on the following link to sign up mailto:Sonic_Bilby at bigfoot.com?Subject=Sign-Up-SB-Announcer ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Sonic Bilby - Prog/Ambient/Space Rock Mail Order! -------- -------- PO Box 884, Mt Waverley, VIC 3149, Australia -------- -------- -------- -------- Sonic_Bilby at bigfoot.com -------- ---------------------------------------------- http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb --------------------------------- From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Oct 27 23:46:43 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:46:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: At 07:57 PM 27/10/97 GMT, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Sorry to intrude with an off-topic issue, but it shouldn't take >long--and I know there are plenty of people who can advise me on BOC-L ;) > > I have tried to translate the English phrase "The sword of the mighty >does not sleep" (or "The sword of the mighty sleeps not") into Swedish. >Unfortunately, my limited Swedish is not good enough, I think! The best >guess I had was: De ma"ktigas sva"rd ej sover. > > That's probably wrong, so any help from the List-svenskar would be >appreciated! I can't quite figure out how to make it clear that the sva"rd >belongs to de ma"ktiga .... > >Cheers, >Carl > Carl, I * think* it could be this way- "Den m?ktiges sv?rd sover ej" or "Ej sover den m?ktiges sv?rd". This would depend on whether or not the plural form is wanted. In that case perhaps "de m?tigas" could be used. Ahh, I'm probably wrong. Daniel?????? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Oct 27 23:51:23 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:51:23 +1100 Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: At 09:23 PM 27/10/97 +0100, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >Carl wrote: >> Sorry to intrude with an off-topic issue, but it shouldn't take >>long--and I know there are plenty of people who can advise me on BOC-L ;) >> >> I have tried to translate the English phrase "The sword of the mighty >>does not sleep" (or "The sword of the mighty sleeps not") into Swedish. >>Unfortunately, my limited Swedish is not good enough, I think! The best >>guess I had was: De ma"ktigas sva"rd ej sover. >> >> That's probably wrong, so any help from the List-svenskar would be >>appreciated! I can't quite figure out how to make it clear that the sva"rd >>belongs to de ma"ktiga .... > > >OK; "De m?ktiga" is plural but the english phrase is in singular, right?! >...and you have to put "ej" in the end of the sentence. >"De m?ktigas sv?rd sover ej:" is OK if you want to use the plural form. >or in singular; "Den m?ktiges sv?rd sover ej". Shit! I got it right for once! : ) >But it sounds quite silly... a little more poetic translation could be like; >"Den m?ktiges sv?rd _vilar_ ej" >But I think this one is the best: >"Ej vilar den m?ktiges sv?rd" (or "Ej sover den m?ktiges sv?rd".) Oh- not really then, eh? : ( Well, so much for my fun for the day. Troy ObCD: Callous- In the memory of... =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 28 19:30:53 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:30:53 -0000 Subject: Pete B's CD and Strapping Young Lad Message-ID: They made an album called _Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing_, didn't they? SYL, that is? Any good? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From des at SUPERLINK.NET Wed Oct 29 01:45:39 1997 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (EF) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:45:39 -0800 Subject: Is Tim Burton a closet BOC fan? Message-ID: Just heard about this from a friend and thought I'd pass it along to the group. "The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy & Other Stories" by Tim Burton. Illustrated gothic tales. Just published by Rob Weisbach Books/William Morrow & Co. I smell holiday gifts! Cheers, --EF From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Oct 29 02:14:37 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:14:37 -0500 Subject: Pete B's CD and Strapping Young Lad Message-ID: Adrian Brevard wrote: > So is this in the Sick & Twisted/Heavy Metal category? Sick & Twisted for sure, but not heavy metal - not even really hard rock per se. There's country stuff, jazzy stuff, disco-y stuff, ballad-y stuff, malad-y stuff, one song that reminds me of Gilbert & Sullivan (not Gilbert O'Sullivan :-) and an obscene reconstitution of Chuck Berry's "No Particular Place To Go" called "Auto Erotica". And a lot of stuff that I am hard put to classify. Zappa's stuff is the closest thing I can relate this CD to, but I found this a lot funnier than Zappa. tBS fans already know that he plays one mean and tasty guitar. BTW he told me that he's never seen BOC. -Chris From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Oct 29 03:43:47 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:43:47 GMT Subject: HW:Wolverhampton Message-ID: The first disappointment was they had sold out of t-shirts, the rest of the merchendise was crap, a minature paper "Electric Tepee", and a few posters. Captain Riz supported for 30 mins. Hawkwind came on at 9:15. Set list was as most other venues. So no change there. Over all I was disappointed. The light show was weak compared to other tours. You could not hear Jerry. Lost in the mix, there was a lot of hiss. Dave stayed hidden all night. Captain Riz ranted on too much. The highest point in the show was Brainstorm even though you could not make jerry out. Finished after 1 encore Reptoid Vision Ejection Song of the Gremlin Finished 10:50 Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 04:49:26 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:49:26 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: <01BCE31F.055FFF80.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCE31F.055FFF80.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >I thought we'd agreed on the Moon on the Green? NW corner of Shepherd's Bush >Green (the Empire's on the SW corner). > >- Andy OK. Anyone going in fancy dress then? ;0 -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 06:13:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:13:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gryphon In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's mail of Tue, 28 Oct 97 22:10 +0000 Message-ID: On 28 Oct 22:10, Chris Warburton wrote: > Hmmm, Gryphon, a very curious "blast from the past": I have "Treason", one > of their later albums which was languishing in my father-in-law's house. > Quite pleasant, but not something I play a lot. If memory serves me well, > there first two ore three were more interesting. Midnight Mushrumps is a classic, IMO. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Oct 29 06:23:23 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:23:23 +1000 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: On 28 Oct 97 at 15:49, Dave Berry wrote: > On 28 Oct 15:05, Miikka Wagner wrote: > > Can someone tell new Krel cd catalog number, please. > > Dead Earnest DERNCD 11. *New* Krel CD?? Don't suppose you have any contacts for the label/distributer?? Sonique (in Bilby mode) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 06:15:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:15:00 +0000 Subject: Crum (Forward) In-Reply-To: langner timothy's mail of Tue, 28 Oct 97 15:26 +0000 Message-ID: On 28 Oct 15:26, langner timothy wrote: > Why doesn't Crum play some more? After all > whats an extra keyboard player going to do to the sound. Instead of playing he > just sits and watches (from what I've read). He seemed to play throughout at Edinburgh, and it probably added something to the sound. It was hard to make out who was playing what, but it was quite a dense sound altogether. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 29 06:34:41 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:34:41 GMT Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: I see they're both touring at the moment. Does anyone know any dates/venues? Have TD recovered their form or do they still sound like some sort of jazz fusion band? FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 07:22:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:22:00 +0000 Subject: off:krel In-Reply-To: Sonique's mail of Wed, 29 Oct 97 21:23 +1000 Message-ID: On 29 Oct 11:23, Sonique wrote: > > Dead Earnest DERNCD 11. > > *New* Krel CD?? Don't suppose you have any contacts for the > label/distributer?? The contact for the label and the band is: Andy G, P.O. Box 6921 Dundee DD4 8YN Scotland andygee at dial.pipex.com Which might explain the good write-up in CDS's catalogue (Andy G. works for CDS). It is a good album (although I've only played it on my PC at work so far). The vocals let it down a bit -- Martin plays all the instruments, but he should have got someone who can sing to do the vocals instead of relying on a vocoder. The notes also say: www:dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee which I suspect means http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee. I got my copy from CDS (along with Simon House's Yassasim and Darxtar's Sju): Compact Disc Services 40/42 Brentwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW UK Tel: +44 1382 776595 Fax: +44 1382 736702 Their HW catalogue includes HW, Nik, Simon House, Krel's new CD, Alien Planetscapes, Darxtar, Dark Sun, Amon Duul, Gong, Ozrics, Pressurehed, Bevis Frond, and a lot more. Dave. > > Sonique (in Bilby mode) > > -- > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long > http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may > sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they > UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 29 07:28:07 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:28:07 GMT Subject: Shepherds Bush Empire phone no? Message-ID: Does anyone have this? FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Oct 29 09:32:29 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:32:29 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ty Tabor/Pete B. /SYL Message-ID: >Train', 'Looking For Love' and 'Life Going By'. The collection also >contains three previously unreleased tracks, 'Sally', 'April Showers' >and 'Lover', as well as the live version of 'Over My Head'... > Theo>disappointing that 'Freedom' and 'I Change My Mind' aren't on there, but I'm sure the other new ones will be good....from what I heard of 'April Showers' it some nice vocals by Doug and some pretty nice guitar licks too You have a copy of Freedom? Is this the "A Box" single? Lucky Duck I have never seen this thing in this area. I heard Freedom is a monster tune; the single version of A Box is to die for. All in all its a pretty diverse track list with some of Ty's best vocal work (Mr. Wilson, Its Love). The three new tracks sound pretty good from the snippets I've heard on the bands website. The Over My Head version is supposed to be a real extended jam, great song studio or live. >BTW Theo better get Ty's solo soon. He's re-doing it as some record >company is gonna put it in stores. He plays all instruments on the >direct sale version. Alan Doss of Galactic Cowboys will play drums on >the commercial version. > >I'll second this! Ty's album is definitely one of the best releases >this year.... and the re-recorded version reportedly won't contain >all the same songs....some new stuff will be on it and apparently some >of the stuff on the original version won't be there Yeah Ty played everything but drums (machine beats) and it seems like he will repeat this on the commercial release with Alan Doss, Galactic Cowboys drummer on the kit. Will be great to have both versions. Rumors continued to swirl that the band was breaking up becuase of Ty's solo sucess and projects that Doug and Jery are involved in. Don't bet on it, these guys are just too good together. Andy>They made an album called _Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing_, didn't they? SYL, that is? Any good? Beats me. Didn't know this was a band. My reference comes from some old movie I can't remember and the fact JS playfully refers to himself as an "old fart". Somehow JS I think you are a long ways away from that. >Sick & Twisted for sure, but not heavy metal - not even really hard rock per se. There's country stuff, jazzy stuff, disco-y stuff, ballad-y stuff, malad-y stuff, one song that reminds me of Gilbert & Sullivan (not Gilbert O'Sullivan :-) and an obscene reconstitution of Chuck Berry's "No Particular Place To Go" called "Auto Erotica". And a lot of stuff that I am hard put to classify. Zappa's stuff is the closest thing I can relate this CD to, but I found this a lot funnier than Zappa. tBS fans already know that he plays one mean and tasty guitar. Diversity, the spice of music life. This sounds like a really interesting and entertaining effort. L8er lil' ab "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Oct 29 09:35:43 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:35:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Diverse Music Message-ID: For SK fans just got this in. Now this is a really diverse band that can make music out of anything. In addition, I hear that this will be the last Siagon Kick album but that the group will continue to play under the name Flat. L8er lil'ab ========================================================= SAIGON KICK "Moments from the Fringe" 1997 BVB Music (1) Dizzy's Vine (2) Colors (3) Hey Hey Hey (4) Homeland (5) Beautiful (6) My Only Friend (7) Love Is On The Way (8) Spidee The Rapist (9) God Of 42nd Street (10) Feel The Same Way (11) When You Were Mine (12) Hostile Youth (13) All I Want (14) Spot Him A Beer (15) You And I (16) My Heart Screams (17) Salvation (18) The Lizard Rating: A- This is perhaps the last album we'll hear from Saigon Kick, and though I hope they put out another album of new material, "Moments from the Fringe" is certainly a nice treat for the fans. This album is only available through mail order off Saigon Kick's website, but if you're a fan, you must have this. Not only are there nine non-album tracks, but the band has also included nine demos & alternate versions. Also, each song features a brief description about where it came from. First off, the highlight of this album is the recently recorded "Dizzy's Vine" featuring Matt Kramer again on vocals. This tune is terrific, but totally unlike anything Saigon Kick has done before. Very cool & catchy, and Matt is in fine form. I've always liked Jason's voice, but Matt is by far the best Saigon Kick singer. Of the other new songs, "Hey Hey Hey" is a great, aggressive cut from the first album; "You And I" is a lovely ballad from the "Water" era; and "Spidee The Rapist" is a cool surfer song. "Salvation" was written by drummer Chris McLernon and has a nice Floydian vibe. "My Only Friend" is a joke song in the vein of "Chanel" or "Sentimental Girl"; "Beautiful" is a nice laid back tune; and "Homeland" is a Germanesque drinking song. The final new tune, "Spot Him A Beer" is just weird. The demos vary between being only slightly different from the released versions, like "Hostile Youth", to being alternate versions, like the acoustic "Colors". Almost all of the demos are early takes and really give a nice insight into Saigon Kick's writing. My favorites include the stripped down "God Of 42nd Street" (always one of my favorite SK tunes), the tribal version of "Water"'s "My Heart" called "My Heart Screams", and the acoustic "Colors". Other highlights include "Feel The Same Way" which is almost eerie with its stripped down sound and keyboard effects and "When You Were Mine" which has a really nice Beatles feel, ala "Sgt. Pepper", complete with more stripped down sound and a keyboard part not on the "Water" version. Overall, this is a terrific compilation album which highlights all phases of Saigon Kick's career. While I hope this is not a swan song, if it is, the band has done an amazing job providing great music for lots of loyal fans. Check this out. You can order your copy @ http://www.bvbmusic.com Highlights: "Dizzy's Vine", "You And I", "Hey Hey Hey", "Feel The Same Way" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 29 09:53:11 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:53:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:35 AM, M Holmes [SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > I see they're both touring at the moment. Does anyone know any > dates/venues? Just the London ones - TD at the Empire Nov 6, Stranglers at Croydon Fairfield Halls Nov 13. And, once more (I know this by heart now :) the Empire phone number is 0181 740 7474. Moon on the Green! - Andy ObCD: New Race - _The Second Wave_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 29 10:00:52 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:00:52 -0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? Message-ID: > OK. Anyone going in fancy dress then? ;0 > -- > Jon Browne I think Carl's going as Peter Steele... :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Oct 29 09:58:59 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:58:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 6:42 AM Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers >I see they're both touring at the moment. Does anyone know any >dates/venues? > >Have TD recovered their form or do they still sound like some sort of >jazz fusion band? > >FoFP > Nope, Crazy Eddie Froese is still in the jazz-fuzak mode (so I'm told; I haven't bought the last studio release GOBLINS' CLUB or the live TOURNADO, although there are a couple of classic TD soundtracks due out soon, like the official version of THE KEEP, that I'll probably snag). He has ditched the eye-candy sax player, so, make of that what you will. Sad state of affairs for those of us who remember when TD was a monster electronic band... But there are a number of bands that have taken up the banner that TD dropped and are doing quite well. If you like the Moog and Mellotron-drenched sounds of TD from the mid-70's, I suggest you check out Radio Massacre International, Node, Air Sculpture or Redshift (Mark Shreeve in a room full of classic analogue synths, paying homage to PHAEDRA!) Ian Boddy, T-Bass, Ron Boots, Rob Essers, Waveshape and Paul Nagle are all current performers that have a heavy TD influence to their works and are all well worth checking out (thankfully, they are all influenced by the Franke-era TD, not the post-Franke wasteland). There is a mailing list for those of us that are fans of the bands listed above and other progressive, electronic and instrumental musics that are not The Big Names (I.E. TD, J-MJ, Vangelis, etc.) If you are interested, send me e-mail and I will send you subscription info. Hope to see some of you there... NP: Djam Karet / The Devouring (my prog-rock choice of the year! Good stuff!) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 29 11:29:51 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:29:51 +0800 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: >But there are a number of bands that have taken up the banner that TD >dropped and are doing quite well. If you like the Moog and >Mellotron-drenched sounds of TD from the mid-70's, I suggest you check out >Radio Massacre International, Node, Air Sculpture or Redshift (Mark Shreeve >in a room full of classic analogue synths, paying homage to PHAEDRA!) Ian >Boddy, T-Bass, Ron Boots, Rob Essers, Waveshape and Paul Nagle are all >current performers that have a heavy TD influence to their works and are all >well worth checking out (thankfully, they are all influenced by the >Franke-era TD, not the post-Franke wasteland). > Christopher Franke's solo material is a lot more like what you would expect, and is worth checking out. Nowadays, if I see a recent TD album, I only bother about it if Christopher Franke's name is on it as well (although the soundtrack to Miracle Mile was good). William From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Oct 29 11:55:30 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:55:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: >well worth checking out (thankfully, they are all influenced by the >>Franke-era TD, not the post-Franke wasteland). >> >Christopher Franke's solo material is a lot more like what you would expect, >and is worth checking out. Nowadays, if I see a recent TD album, I only >bother about it if Christopher Franke's name is on it as well (although the >soundtrack to Miracle Mile was good). Absolutely. I also very much like his Babylon 5 stuff, though I wish the odd bits they use in the series (nightclub on mars, postwar party, etc.) that he did haven't been released... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 29 12:01:20 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:01:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ty Tabor/Pete B. /SYL Message-ID: >the fact JS playfully refers to himself as an "old fart". Somehow JS I think you are a long ways away from that. Well, I like to *think* so. Part of this characterization comes from the fact that, well I have a confession - I like Veruca Salt. Now, most of this band's fans appear to be 14-17 year old girls, and I've dropped in on a web message board (very similar to Jack Heffling's most-excellent BOC discussion board), and I find I can't relate too well to alot of the fans posting there. They talk about make-up, how much they hate their schoolwork, their parents (some of them obviously have some rather, IMHO, f**ked-up family situations which has really warped their views of the world), and how f**king awesome their favorite band is in ways that have little or nothing to do with the band's musical output. Reading that stuff definitely makes me feel like an "old fart". John From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Oct 29 12:03:02 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:03:02 +0100 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Miikka Wagner wrote: > Hi! > > Can someone tell new Krel cd catalog number, please. The number on the CD is DERNCD 11 (Dead Ernest), but there is no catalog# as far as I know (after looking in my own copy from CDS). I got my copy last Monday and I must say that this is amazing music, astounding sounds from the first minute to the last. There?s only one advice I can give - BUY!!! > Also, this is probably useless, but I must still try. I have Hawkfan 21 > vinyl, but missing carrier bag, so if someone have that bag but no vinyl (or > want give up it), please contact. > > Miikka Wagner > http://www.sci.fi/~micci Will make you a tape next week Miikka :-)) . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. > (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > -SPACEHEAD- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Oct 29 12:15:37 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:15:37 +0800 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream and Stranglers Message-ID: >Absolutely. I also very much like his Babylon 5 stuff, though I wish >the odd bits they use in the series (nightclub on mars, postwar party, etc.) >that he did haven't been released... > They are releasing episode specific soundtracks soon, so they should contain more of these. William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 12:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:40:00 +0000 Subject: off:krel In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's mail of Wed, 29 Oct 97 18:03 +0100 Message-ID: On 29 Oct 17:03, Henrik Hallgren wrote: > I got my copy last Monday and I must say that this is amazing music, > astounding sounds from the first minute to the last. There's only one > advice I can give - BUY!!! I listened to this again this afternoon, and I agree. Distant Horizons will have to really cook to beat this. DarXtar's Sju is pretty damn fine as well. It's not as heavy as Daybreak, the other DarXtar that I've got. Sju has more mellotron, and bits of it even sound like a cross between Hawkwind and Anglagard (a concept which my mind can barely handle ;-)). I haven't listened to Yassasim yet... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 14:24:27 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:24:27 GMT Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: <01BCE47B.88D063C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: So should I go to this Hawkshow? I havn`tseenthem since... um... Hammersmith the year Nik & Fred were in the band... 84/5? I read the setlists and I certainly know most of the set.. but do I really want to upset myself? (Big Space Ritual fan here..) I dunno.. should I ..shouldn`t I? -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk From stayer at PI.NET Wed Oct 29 10:32:51 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:32:51 -0800 Subject: HW: Expose' Message-ID: Here's /part/ of a message I picked up from the Spirit mailing list. ----- The Current Issue: Expose? #13, October 1997, 80 Pages Main Feature: Hawkwind - 25 years on, including Band History, Discography, and Interviews. Artist Profiles: Spirit and Randy California, Cast. ----- Jerry From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Oct 29 16:06:33 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:06:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ty Tabor/Pete B. /SYL In-Reply-To: <199710291701.MAA28087@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John sez: >Well, I like to *think* so. Part of this characterization comes from the >fact that, well I have a confession - I like Veruca Salt. Now, most of >this band's fans appear to be 14-17 year old girls, well John....if it makes you feel any better, I happen to like Veruca Salt as well! I finally bought the 'Victrola' single... pretty interesting version of 'My Sharona' on there..... and no, last time I looked, I wasn't a 14-17 year old girl..... Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Oct 29 16:10:29 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:10:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ty Tabor/Pete B. /SYL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >You have a copy of Freedom? Is this the "A Box" single? Lucky Duck I >have never seen this thing in this area. I heard Freedom is a monster >tune; the single version of A Box is to die for. All in all its a >pretty diverse track list with some of Ty's best vocal work (Mr. Wilson, >Its Love). The three new tracks sound pretty good from the snippets >I've heard on the bands website. The Over My Head version is supposed >to be a real extended jam, great song studio or live. > actually, I have a Real Audio file version of 'Freedom' and an MP3 version of 'I Change My Mind'......I was never successful in finding a copy of either the "A Box" or "Looking For Love" singles..... Ted From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Oct 29 17:29:53 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:29:53 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: <34598a67.2839788@sdps.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: A rhetorical question I hope? Of course you *should* :-) Alasdair On 29 Oct 97 at 19:24, Steve Pond wrote: > So should I go to this Hawkshow? I havn`tseenthem since... um... > Hammersmith the year Nik & Fred were in the band... 84/5? > > I read the setlists and I certainly know most of the set.. but do I > really want to upset myself? (Big Space Ritual fan here..) > > I dunno.. should I ..shouldn`t I? > > -Steve > -www.doremi.co.uk > > -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Oct 30 11:46:04 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:46:04 EST Subject: HW:Hawkcast In-Reply-To: ; from "Sonique" at Oct 29, 97 09:22:15 am Message-ID: Well all I can say is that this is fantastic. Have listened to both Manchester and Morecombe opening 3 tracks. I think wheels is just BLANGA Overload and the version of Assault/Golden is excellent. Sure Rizz rants on a bit but not as bad as nik used to. >From the Pics Crum looks like a young Brock circa Isos photos,and you can hear the keyboards sound like there being played and not some machine. I hope that they do come to Australia next year,everytime you wonder what the Hawks will come up with, they surprise you. regards marty From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Oct 30 01:59:33 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:59:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: Lets help this child Message-ID: Hi all I know this is waaay off subject but I couldnt help but pass it along. I got this on the fax at work. Please see if you can participate and copy and send it along to others: ______________________________ We are participating in a request that business cards be sent to seven year old Craig Sherhold who has terminal brain cancer and has little time to live. Craig has turned to the "Make a Wish" foundation and has expresseed his desire to have an entry on the "Most Cards Ever Recievved by an Indiviual" Please take time to send this to 20 other business/people or your choice. Let us all help Craig by making his wish come true Send your business card to: Craig Sherhold c/o Make a Wish Foundation 3200 Perimeter Center E. Atlanta GA 30346 Time is of the essence. Craig is very ill Thank you for helping in this National Project for the Childrens Foundation Thank you for Caring __________________________________________- Lets do this! Mike From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Oct 29 23:23:17 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:23:17 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Re: OFF: Lets help this child In-Reply-To: <34583055.6D75@Global2000.net> from "Michael S. Habiby" at Oct 29, 97 10:59:33 pm Message-ID: >I know this is waaay off subject but I couldnt help but pass it along. 1) This is a hoax. It has been committed before on the net. 2) This is inappropriate enough that it has no business on the list. Please refrain from ANY mailings on this subject. NOTE TO ALL: #2 (above) applies to _everyone_. :-) YnSSHM, Ben From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Oct 30 03:35:48 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:35:48 -0700 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > On 29 Oct 17:03, Henrik Hallgren wrote: > > I got my copy last Monday and I must say that this is amazing music, > > astounding sounds from the first minute to the last. There's only one > > advice I can give - BUY!!! Now I am curious:) > DarXtar's Sju is pretty damn fine as well. It's not as heavy as > Daybreak, the other DarXtar that I've got. Sju has more mellotron, > and bits of it even sound like a cross between Hawkwind and Anglagard > (a concept which my mind can barely handle ;-))) Hmmm-haven't heard Anglegard yet-so don't know what to say here:) > > > I haven't listened to Yassasim yet... Yassasim is in*F^^(*&&ingCREDIBLE!!!* I love this thing. it's quite mellow-nice to zone off to:) > I am going to wear out this tape, too-as well as the other Simon > House/Spiral Realms work. Love it:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Set list was the same / similar to dates so far. BUT.... Ron's bas was _well_ up in the mix. Jerry's guitar was there too, + Crum's keys. (Crum played keys thru the whole of the set). I thought the light show, while perhaps a tad under par for HW, was pretty damn good nonetheless. I think it helps to be a few rows back, centre stage. I agree with posts so far that Assault/Goldon Void is amazing this time round. Jerry's backing vox on this add to the power & density of sound during this. In fact Jerry was a star all night, I think his guitar really captures early 70's feel of HW. Even Dave came out from behind his synths (tho' not to the front of the stage). I may be alone in saying this, but I quite enjoyed Cpt Rizz, except for his 'jump up & down' bit in Camera that could Lie. I felt that he gave a bit of movement & energy that was lackingup til then, with Ron rooted to the mike + bass. In lieu of dancers / fire eaters, HW need someone / something to leap about in a mad way. In fact when Ron passed his bass to Dixie (?) [fat biker looking dude], I thought he immediatly looked & sounde more at ease, & more than a touch dangerous (!). Overall, I enjoyed the show a lot. To the lad asking whether to go - yep, do it. Chris W., I was looking for you man, sorry I missed you. Neil. Obintro : Ron (on Reptoid Vision) "This song's bout a flesh eating, lizard-alien that American Govt. don't want us to know about. So this song might educate you. [pause] If you don't like it you can kick my face in afterwards". From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 06:43:05 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:43:05 GMT Subject: OFF: Blues tape Message-ID: Talking to a friend in the pub the other night and he was telling me of a cassette tape that was issued in the mid 70s(?) consisting of outtakes and sound checks by various blues/rock guitar players such as Eric Clapton, Peter Green ummmm - others (I forget who now!). Apparently this was a genuine commercial release that someone had put together in a recording studio with these guys who just happened to be in the studio together and jamming around while they were doing soundchecks before their various recording sessions. I don't know if it was ever issued on vinyl but I was wondering if anyone here (by some remote chance) either recognised what this was or knew of a place I could ask about it. Since it was a commercial release and not a bootleg I guess there should have been/still be copies around for purchase. Apparently it was a wonderful sounding tape with all these guys playing a really laid back and relaxed sound - can anyone suggest a place to look? ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 06:53:51 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:53:51 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > I had an exciting weekend, Hawkwind-wise. Since no one I've met > is really a fan of the band, please permit me to gloat here! > > Mike Moorcock & The Deep Fix - New World's Fair for $3 !!! that was an excellent purchase! > I also saw the recently-discussed _Nuclear Waste_ CD featuring > Sting, Nik Turner, et al. I might go back and pick that up, too. > It was packaged in a can, and I think it was just a CD single. is anyone in the States willing to buy a copy of this for me if they find it? I don't think I've seen it over here and if it's easily purchased then I'd really like to have it! I can pay dollars or trade for something folk might need - whatever is easiest! > All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can > anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I > may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Other CDs I They were a good band once. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 07:00:03 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:00:03 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > I also picked up a compilation by the band Gryphon called _The > Collection_ (also on the Griffin label) ObNostalgia: I saw them in 1978 with a girlfriend who liked them. > MWood FoFP From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 07:35:35 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:35:35 GMT Subject: OFF: postings Message-ID: Hi Can any one help? I've been posting to lsit last week or so and noticed that my posts were arrive in my post 3 or 4 days later. Any reaons for this? Not sure if they arrive on lsit 3 or 4 earilyer but the date given is monday. Thanks Timmy Langner From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 30 06:43:16 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:43:16 EDT Subject: OFF: Blues tape Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > Talking to a friend in the pub the other night and he was telling me of > a cassette tape that was issued in the mid 70s(?) consisting of outtakes > and sound checks by various blues/rock guitar players such as Eric > Clapton, Peter Green ummmm - others (I forget who now!). Apparently > this was a genuine commercial release that someone had put together in > a recording studio with these guys who just happened to be in the studio > together and jamming around while they were doing soundchecks before > their various recording sessions. I don't know if it was ever issued > on vinyl but I was wondering if anyone here (by some remote chance) > either recognised what this was or knew of a place I could ask about it. > > Since it was a commercial release and not a bootleg I guess there > should have been/still be copies around for purchase. Apparently it > was a wonderful sounding tape with all these guys playing a really laid > back and relaxed sound - can anyone suggest a place to look? > > ta > jill Say, you don't suppose this is 'Music From Free Creek,' do you? That features a lot of 60s-70s rockers, several of them appearing under alias, e.g. Jeff Beck... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 07:46:32 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:46:32 GMT Subject: HW: web gig Message-ID: Hi I'd just like to say how good the gig is, that was put on the net. (http://punkcast.com/2/) I really enjoy it. It may have taken me all afternoon to download but the wait was worth it. having only heard the first 45mins of the gig from another bootleg I think areosapceage info is really good. Never heard it before. AS for Blue skin I think they should do that xomphic or whatever it is called. That one. Much better song. And I do't like the bit in the middle of brainstorm. I prefer brainstorm to be a complete song. But raptiod vision is very good as is the one just before love in space. I have hard better version of love in space but good song any way. golden void, warriors is good yeah on the whole a very good concert and tour. However I still prefer the business trip tour. Not so much the official live album but tapes I'e heard from concerts. Bit longer and just good keyboards on it. I just hope they put more concerts on the net. Be great. I'd like to down load a sound check. That would be nice. All this is making me even more excited about the prosepct for hearing hawkwind for the first time. One thing I do miss tohuhg is the keyboard intro whhic they did at worthing. Really good but they've droped it. Shame! So is Crum a guest or a full time member or something else? And also ncie to see the concert is longer than what they issue on record/cd/video. May be hawkwind will now issue full conecrts instead of edited ones. If they can put it on the net, why not on video? Timmy Langner From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 30 08:09:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:09:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ty Tabor/Pete B. /SYL Message-ID: >well John....if it makes you feel any better, I happen to like Veruca Salt as well! I finally bought the 'Victrola' single... pretty interesting version of 'My Sharona' on there..... I've got that too - it's interesting how "un-70s" they made it sound... John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 09:16:28 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:16:28 GMT Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:48:06 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Any ideas for where to meet before the London gig on Halloween? I thought it was The Moon On The Green? FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 30 05:01:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:01:02 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: <34598a67.2839788@sdps.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34598a67.2839788 at sdps.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >So should I go to this Hawkshow? I havn`tseenthem since... um... >Hammersmith the year Nik & Fred were in the band... 84/5? > >I read the setlists and I certainly know most of the set.. but do I >really want to upset myself? (Big Space Ritual fan here..) > >I dunno.. should I ..shouldn`t I? > >-Steve >-www.doremi.co.uk You *never* saw Alan? That's a shame. I'm sure you would've appreciated the geezer. To be candid, it doesn't sound the best ever tour. Last year's Brixton show was dead, dead good, but the responses I've read from people and from people I've spoken to haven't been the most enthusiastic I've ever heard. BUT I've never been to a HW gig and not had a great time, for the meet- up with other types as much (if not more sometimes) as anything else. Haven't seen Grob for a few years but you never know I've got some horrible cold/flu thing at the moment and to tell the truth it'll be a pain getting up there, and Sabina can't come because we couldn't get a babysitter. I'll still be there. (After being publically daubed a lightweight for blowing out the last show coz of a mere busted rib, I've *got* to be there!) -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 30 11:13:15 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:13:15 -0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? Message-ID: > I've got some horrible cold/flu thing at the moment and to tell the > truth it'll be a pain getting up there, and Sabina can't come because we > couldn't get a babysitter. I'll still be there. (After being publically > daubed a lightweight for blowing out the last show coz of a mere busted > rib, I've *got* to be there!) > -- > Jon Browne Oops sorry Jon! Maybe giving me your cold will make up for it! :) Oh yeah - if the pub turns out to suck, you can all blame me too. Moi, le bouc emissaire... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 30 11:46:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:46:36 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: <01BCE54E.C5D03E20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCE54E.C5D03E20.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Oh yeah - if the pub turns out to suck, you can all blame me too. Nice try, Andy, but if you remember, it's all Steve Swann's fault! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 12:26:22 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:26:22 GMT Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > I thought we'd agreed on the Moon on the Green? NW corner of Shepherd's Bush > Green (the Empire's on the SW corner). I'll be flying in (watch out for parachutes.....) so probably won't make it to the pub before the gig. Save me a space in the crowd somewhere? And if you hear anything about fog at Heathrow c. 7.00pm could everybody inhale deeply please? ta jill > ObLatin: In dubiis constant :) Per ardua ad astra 8-) I hope. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 30 14:16:12 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:16:12 GMT Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I guess I did see them after 84/85 then, because I did see them with Alan in his early stages.. you gotta admire anyone who will camp in a bandleaders front garden until he gets the gig.. ;) Still don`t know if I should go or not.. -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:01:02 +0000, you wrote: >You *never* saw Alan? That's a shame. I'm sure you would've appreciated >the geezer. From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Oct 30 10:21:59 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:21:59 -0000 Subject: Nuclear Waste CD In-Reply-To: <199710301153.LAA02346@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 30-Oct-97, J Strobridge wrote: >> I also saw the recently-discussed _Nuclear Waste_ CD featuring >> Sting, Nik Turner, et al. I might go back and pick that up, too. >> It was packaged in a can, and I think it was just a CD single. >is anyone in the States willing to buy a copy of this for me if they >find it? I don't think I've seen it over here and if it's easily >purchased then I'd really like to have it! I picked up a copy for ?1 a few month ago. It must have been released in UK, Details are: Sting and the Radioactive Nuclear Waste Voiceprint VP181CD 5 tracks. Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 15:55:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:55:37 GMT Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: On m?n 27 okt 1997 21.46 christian wrote: > In "New Norwegian" (a horrible constructed > side dialect of Norwegian) Ah, so you're of the anti-nynorsk faction? :) > I'll ask the Icelandic guy at work if you need it in *true* viking-speak > :) That would be interesting actually--my problem putting it into Icelandic is similar in that I'm not familiar enough with the language to be sure I've made a natural sounding phrase. And translating "the mighty" remains difficult. My best guess for (Old) Icelandic is "Sverdhit valdsmenna sefur ekki". (Have to use "dh" instead of the islensk "eth" letter on my computer!) But that's probably wrong too Then I could try changing that to fornsvensk ..... :) Cheers, Carl ObApologyForOffTopicness From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 16:20:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:20:59 GMT Subject: OFF: hja"lp med svensk! Message-ID: On m?n 27 okt 1997 21.23 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > OK; "De m?ktiga" is plural but the english phrase is in singular, > right?! Well, it is a bit hazy. "The mighty" appears singular, but functions in a plural manner. One would say "he is" (singular) but "the mighty are" (plural). So really, I think it corresponds to "de m?ktiga" pretty well. One could say "the sword of the mighty one does not sleep" and that would be definitely singular, but I think "the sword of the mighty does not sleep" suggests plural mighty people. Literally, the English phrase gives them all only one sword :) so it is a bit figurative and poetic. Perhaps the Swedish singular "den m?ktige" translates the sense better? > ...and you have to put "ej" in the end of the sentence. > "De m?ktigas sv?rd sover ej:" is OK if you want to use the plural form. > or in singular; "Den m?ktiges sv?rd sover ej". > But it sounds quite silly... a little more poetic translation could be > like; > "Den m?ktiges sv?rd _vilar_ ej" > But I think this one is the best: > "Ej vilar den m?ktiges sv?rd" (or "Ej sover den m?ktiges sv?rd".) Verkligen trevligt! It is supposed to be a kind of motto, so poetic speech is ideal. > "Vila" ="rest"... but in this context it works better than "sova/sleep". Ah, like Old Scandinavian "hv?la" or "hw?la". A similar meaning survives in English "while", in the phrase "to while away the time" (meaning "att f?rdriva tiden" p? svensk", jag tror). > ps ... and where did you find this phrase? Well, I found the English expression years and years ago in a book somewhere and just liked the sound of it. Later on I tried translating it into islensk, but didn't get very far. Now, I thought I'd put a "groovy" motto on my WWW site, but since it has a Swedish theme, I thought I'd try to translate the phrase into Swedish. Maybe I'll try fornsvensk eventually :) I thought it makes a good motto for me, since I'm usually doing 12 things at once, and forgetting to do another 12 at the same time :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 30 17:06:03 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:06:03 GMT Subject: OFF: new Bevis Frond ? Message-ID: Has anyone heard the new Bevis Frond? Is Ade Shaw on it? Cheers, Carl From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 30 18:12:23 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:12:23 +0000 Subject: HW:Croydon In-Reply-To: <199710301024.KAA15440@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: Neil wrote: > >Chris W., I was looking for you man, sorry I missed you. > Sorry dude, pressure of work - I've been at a customer site all week, and not making my escape until late (BIG technical problems) - in fact I may even get delayed tomorrow, but since I'm planning to quit my job & go back to freelance work anyway, if the boss gives me a hard time tomorrow I'll probably tell him to shove his job where the sun doesn't shine... See you tomorrow night guys'n'gals! ChrisW ObNoCD at All P.S. I'm negotiating with the domestic management over Saturday at Guildford.... Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone & fax: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 30 18:15:05 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:15:05 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:46 30/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <01BCE54E.C5D03E20.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham > writes >>Oh yeah - if the pub turns out to suck, you can all blame me too. > >Nice try, Andy, but if you remember, it's all Steve Swann's fault! >-- >Jon Browne > The pub was OK when I went there before the Crimson gig, and the beer was decent enough too! ChrisW OBStillNoCD Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone & fax: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 30 19:16:49 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:16:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! In-Reply-To: <199710301153.LAA02346@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: jill wrote: >Marshall Wood writes: > >> --snip -- << > >> All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can >> anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I >> may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Other CDs I > >They were a good band once. > And still are (cf. Andy's & my comments on the Shepherd's Bush gig) ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 30 19:30:10 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:30:10 +0000 Subject: Nuclear Waste CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Si wrote: >On 30-Oct-97, J Strobridge wrote: > >>> I also saw the recently-discussed _Nuclear Waste_ CD featuring >>> Sting, Nik Turner, et al. I might go back and pick that up, too. >>> It was packaged in a can, and I think it was just a CD single. > >>is anyone in the States willing to buy a copy of this for me if they >>find it? I don't think I've seen it over here and if it's easily >>purchased then I'd really like to have it! > >I picked up a copy for ?1 a few month ago. It must have been released in UK, >Details are: > >Sting and the Radioactive Nuclear Waste Voiceprint VP181CD 5 tracks. I'm sure that Voiceprint is a British label, they've released a lot of old (& sometimes odd) Soft Machine/Caravan material & other stuff of a similar vintage. They advertise quite frequently in "The Wire", but unfortunately not in the copy I have to hand. I have a feeling that their mail order address is somewhere in NE England (Darlington? Sunderland?) - I'll keep a lookout. BTW, "The Wire" has great coverage of all sorts of electronica, off the wall & general "weird-shit" music that doesn't get in to print elsewhere: it's occasionally frustrating, & I sometimes bemoan the reduction in its jazz coverage, but it's well worth checking out for the more adventurous souls on this list! ChrisW From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Oct 30 21:44:54 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:44:54 +1000 Subject: Psychedelic SpaceRock Series!!! Message-ID: Hello! Just letting everyone know that there will be a SpaceRock Concert Series in Cleveland on November 1, 15, 29 and December 13 at the Symposium Nite Club. These shows will feature bands from the "Strange Daze '97 Festival" in an intimate setting. They all will feature the "Solar Fire Psychedelic Lightshow" along with some of the best SpaceRock bands in America. Please let your friends know. Spread the word! Anyone who can copy the attachment sent with this is urged to do so! Please distribute them to record stores, headshop, science fiction shops, coffee shops, etc in your area. Thanks! Jim Lascko -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: poster.gif Type: image/gif Size: 71987 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Oct 30 22:31:59 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:31:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lets help this child Message-ID: Sounds like bullshit to me. From mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET Fri Oct 31 04:14:10 1997 From: mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET (Michael Galvin) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:14:10 -0800 Subject: tBS Billy Hilfiger in US mag In-Reply-To: <199710301235.MAA09399@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: I was just looking at the November copy of US magazine and came across a couple of photos of Billy Hilfiger. They are part of an article on his fashion designer brother, Tommy. There is a pretty funny photo of the Hilfiger family circa 1966 and a cool shot of Billy and Tommy jamming at a party in '95. Skip From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 31 04:57:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:57:00 +0000 Subject: HW: London pub meet? In-Reply-To: Steve Pond's mail of Thu, 30 Oct 97 19:16 +0000 Message-ID: On 30 Oct 19:16, Steve Pond wrote: > Still don`t know if I should go or not.. Get on with it!! Go!!! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Oct 31 05:13:55 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:13:55 +0000 Subject: Pete B's CD and Strapping Young Lad In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:30:53 GMT." <01BCE401.F7601260.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > They made an album called _Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing_, didn't they? SYL, > that is? Any good? SYL is Devin Townsend's band. I've only heard one track "Detox" on a Century Media sampler from their second album _City_. Sounds fast and heavy, but with a band including members of FLA, it might be a bit too industrial for some tastes here. Tim ObCD: _Karma to Burn_ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Oct 31 07:09:08 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:09:08 -0000 Subject: Nuclear Waste CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971031003010.006a1a58@mcmail.com> Message-ID: On 31-Oct-97, Chris Warburton wrote: >Si wrote: >>I picked up a copy for ?1 a few month ago. It must have been released in UK, >>Details are: >> >>Sting and the Radioactive Nuclear Waste Voiceprint VP181CD 5 tracks. >I'm sure that Voiceprint is a British label, Ah, No, I'm not. On checking I find the Cd was pressed in Austria but all text is in English and I have seen the CD around a few different places (all a while back). I should rephrase - It must have been 'available in England'. Sorry. I gave the ref no. in case it can still be ordered. >not in the copy I have to hand. I have a feeling that their mail order >address is somewhere in NE England (Darlington? Sunderland?) - I'll keep a >lookout. It says: For a list of current and future CD releases, send SAE or IRC to : Voiceprint UK PO Box 5 Derwentside Co. Durham DH9 7HR England Best Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From micci at SCI.FI Fri Oct 31 07:37:38 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:37:38 +0200 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Henrik wrote: > >Will make you a tape next week Miikka :-)) . > Great!! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Oct 31 07:56:05 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:56:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) Message-ID: >Jim Lascko --------------041ECA76D0D90D573F4EAC51 Content-Type: image/gif; name="poster.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="poster.gif" R0lGODdhTAToA7MAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAgIAAgACAgICAgMDAwP8AAAD/AP//AAAA//8A /wD//////ywAAAAATAToAwME//DJSau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oqq5s675wLM90bd94ru987//A Is there anyway you can make this stop. I received what seems like a thousand lines of this after your post. Certainly not as interesting as your post. Thanks. JS>Well, I like to *think* so. Part of this characterization comes from the fact that, well I have a confession - I like Veruca Salt. Now, most of this band's fans appear to be 14-17 year old girls, and I've dropped in on a web message board (very similar to Jack Heffling's most-excellent BOC discussion board), and I find I can't relate too well to alot of the fans posting there. They talk about make-up, how much they hate their schoolwork, their parents (some of them obviously have some rather, IMHO, f**ked-up family situations which has really warped their views of the world), and how f**king awesome their favorite band is in ways that have little or nothing to do with the band's musical output. Reading that stuff definitely makes me feel like an "old fart". Ah I can relate to that. Chat rooms are dangerous for anybody over 25. I entered one once and listened for a while. All these kids were seeking advice from a 21 year old. I posted some stuff about this kids trouble's in school, told them how old I was (certified old fart) and they gathered around me like it was story time. Christened me "Pops". In any event What does Veurca Salt sound like? I always loved that name for a band but never found any of their stuff in a bargain bin to sample. Are they an all female band? Ted>actually, I have a Real Audio file version of 'Freedom' and an MP3 version of 'I Change My Mind'......I was never successful in finding a copy of either the "A Box" or "Looking For Love" singles..... Ok so you're just a lucky duck as opposed to "Lucky Duck!" I'd love to get that Box single, different version from Ear Candy. During the EC tour Ty played it the way it is on the single and it was easily one of the best songs of the night. Atlantic really blew it when the re-mixed the Ear Candy cd, should have retained the original version. L8er lil' ab "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick OBCD - Galactic Cowboys, the Horse That Bud Bought From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 31 08:15:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:15:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > JS>Well, I like to *think* so. Part of this characterization comes from > the > fact that, well I have a confession - I like Veruca Salt. Now, most of > this band's fans appear to be 14-17 year old girls, and I've dropped in > on a web message board (very similar to Jack Heffling's most-excellent > BOC discussion board), and I find I can't relate too well to alot of the > fans posting there. They talk about make-up, how much they hate their > schoolwork, their parents (some of them obviously have some rather, > IMHO, > f**ked-up family situations which has really warped their views of the > world), and how f**king awesome their favorite band is in ways that have > little or nothing to do with the band's musical output. Reading that > stuff definitely makes me feel like an "old fart". > Well, I have no kids, but I'm wondering what makes their family life so fucked up. Is it because their parents won't let them date the local crack dealer at age 14, or cause their old man gets drunk and wants to have sex with them? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Oct 31 10:34:12 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:34:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In any event What does Veurca Salt sound like? I always loved that name >for a band but never found any of their stuff in a bargain bin to >sample. Are they an all female band? > not sure how to describe the sound....pretty guitar heavy...some of the "alternative" type sound, but not really Eddy "Angst is me" Vedder type of lyrics....a little more whimsical. last I heard, it was Nina and Louise on guitars and vocals and 2 guys on bass and drums Ted From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Fri Oct 31 17:30:21 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:30:21 GMT Subject: OFF: I'm baaaaaack !!! Message-ID: Hi folks ! I'm finally back. I'm not in the States, as I hoped I'd be when I'd sign back on, but in Mexico - of all places ! *rolling my eyes* Well, anyway, it's only temporary. And in the meantime, I'm back on the list and looking forward to reading from all of you guys again. Missed ya'll ! ;-) Sooooo... anything interesting happened while I was away ? And how 'bout that new BOC album ? out yet ? (that was irony, of course ! :-o)... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Oct 15 09:07:12 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:07:12 +1000 Subject: Doug Smith Message-ID: On 16 Mar 98 at about 10:38, Martyn scribed: > Paul has gone overseas with work I believe,the last thing I know was that > Brock & Co wanted to come ,but didn't have the loot.So they would have had > to pay for their airfares etc,but brock wanted the cash for a new lyric book > or something like that. That pretty much sums it up ... but things were (apparently) starting to roll again ..... but maybe not? I'm just too tired to care at the moment .... S. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Oct 15 09:07:12 1997 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:07:12 +1000 Subject: Doug Smith Message-ID: On 13 Mar 98 at about 13:42, J scribed: > Fascinating. Has anyone heard from Sonique (Paul Ward) recently? > Paul was trying to get Brock and co over to Australia so he might > well have a fair idea of what is going on here. > > Hi Paul? > How's it going? This is the first I've heard .... I've been in Taiwan and only just got back to Oz yesterday. I plan to ring Dave on the weekend (especially now that this news has happened!) Last I spoke to Dave he was going to London for a meeting with Doug and said he'd mail me over the following weekend - that was a few days before I went OS, so I didn't find time to chase him up when nothing came of it .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly!