From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 1 05:51:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:51:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Ted Alger writes >>In any event What does Veurca Salt sound like? I always loved that name >>for a band but never found any of their stuff in a bargain bin to >>sample. Are they an all female band? >> > >not sure how to describe the sound....pretty guitar heavy...some of the >"alternative" type sound, but not really Eddy "Angst is me" Vedder type >of lyrics....a little more whimsical. >last I heard, it was Nina and Louise on guitars and vocals and 2 guys on >bass and drums > >Ted Do you know The Breeders? They sound very like them. Or Juliana Hatfield. Indie-pop. -- Jon Browne 102 degrees. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 1 07:53:47 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:53:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: I'm baaaaaack !!! In-Reply-To: <199710312230.WAA01726@laguna-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: At 22:30 31/10/97 GMT, you wrote: >Hi folks ! > >I'm finally back. I'm not in the States, as I hoped I'd be when I'd sign >back on, but in Mexico - of all places ! *rolling my eyes* Well, anyway, >it's only temporary. And in the meantime, I'm back on the list and looking >forward to reading from all of you guys again. Missed ya'll ! ;-) > >Sooooo... anything interesting happened while I was away ? And how 'bout >that new BOC album ? out yet ? (that was irony, of course ! :-o)... > > > >Alex S. Garcia. Welcome back Alex! ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 1 10:54:50 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:54:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Shepherds Bush In-Reply-To: <345adca0.1195661@sdps.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Well - I'm gobsmacked. I'm sure that the Konnoisseurs will handle the detailed critique & set-list, me, I just loved it. OK, I was st*n*d out of my tiny mind, but the band I saw & heard lst night seemed way, way better than the band I've been reading about in the earlier posts on the tour. They blew me away. The one's that stick in my mind are Assult/Void, LIS, Aerospaceage &Brainstorm. I think Reptoid was pretty good too, but I was well out of it by then, hypnotized & dazzled. For me, a great night! It was also a gas to put faces to a whole other bunch of names from the list. So, to the Mikes, Jill, Carl & John, nice to have met you. See you in space, ChrisW ObCDs: Motorhead/No Sleep At All & REM/New Adventures In Hi-Fi From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Nov 1 14:28:59 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:28:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: Hello, I was talking to a guy I know in London and I asked him if he ever heard of Hawkwind? He said "yeah, they were on the Top of the Pops last night" Can anyone confirm this? What did they play? For how long?Anybody tape it? Also, it is a bit disturbing to hear the reports of poor mixing, poor sound, Capt. Rizz etc. from the UK tour, I was hoping my US experience was just a fluke, why is this sound thing not worked out? And why does Distant Horizons come out after the tour? That punkcast website is an incredible addition to the list of HW websites. One more question. What is Nik doing now? Is he getting a band together and recording? Steve Taylor sounded real good on guitar when he was playing with Nik and Farflung as _The Sons of Cydonia_ at Strange Daze, although I am told the tape of that show did not reflect that. I also understand that Xitinstoday has been released on CD. Anyone know what label? I have the vinyl, but I have not heard it in ages. Anyways just a couple of passing thoughts on a cold and rainy Saturday afternoon. obcd: Porcupine Tree - On the Sunday of Life (remastered) -- Walk not the earth, but fly through space-HW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 178 bytes Desc: Card for Chris Raymond URL: From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Nov 1 14:34:51 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:34:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: Chris Raymond wrote: > Also, it is a bit disturbing to hear the reports of poor mixing, poor > sound, Capt. Rizz etc. from the UK tour, I was hoping my US experience > was just a fluke, why is this sound thing not worked out? And why does > Distant Horizons come out after the tour? i remember yer post about the nyc show. that WAS a fluke. the reason that show was umm... less than perfect can be pinned to one person, really. i'm not naming him tho'. you didnt go to the spacedaze show? that show was flawless. i dont have a clue whats goin on in the UK. but, i can say that it has nothing to do with what happened in the US. except capt rizz. capt rizz is a hell of a nice guy, but i question his musical talent most severely. not to mention the fact that what he does is simply not (compatible?). _i_ think the band is trying to repay him for breaking his bus. rj From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Nov 1 14:59:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:59:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops In-Reply-To: Chris Raymond's mail of Sat, 1 Nov 97 14:28 -0500 Message-ID: On 01 Nov 19:28, Chris Raymond wrote: > Also, it is a bit disturbing to hear the reports of poor mixing, poor > sound, Capt. Rizz etc. from the UK tour, I was hoping my US experience > was just a fluke, why is this sound thing not worked out? The sound at Edinburgh was poor, but apparently it's been better at other shows. > And why does Distant Horizons come out after the tour? During the tour -- mine arrived this morning. I guess it's all down to pressure of time on a small band running their own label, re-mixing for EMI, organising a UK tour and various festivals elsewhere, etc. As for Nik, who knows? He never tours here anyway. He seems to be a portable front-man for groups elsewhere. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sat Nov 1 16:15:14 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:15:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > Chris Raymond wrote: > > > Also, it is a bit disturbing to hear the reports of poor mixing, > poor > > sound, Capt. Rizz etc. from the UK tour, > > i remember yer post about the nyc show. that WAS a fluke. the reason > that show > was umm... less than perfect can be pinned to one person, really. i'm > not naming him tho'. I heard after the gig in NYC about the sound man being nearly choked. > you didnt go to the spacedaze show? that show was flawless. i dont > have > a clue whats goin on in the UK. I was at the the Strange Daze show, I did think it was flawless, but after hearing the UK reports, I thought that the sound in Sherman was a fluke. We have heard more reports of crummy sound then of superb sound in 1997. > capt rizz is a hell of a nice guy, but i question his musical talent > most severely. not to mention > the fact that what he does is simply not (compatible?). I agree that he is not at all compatible. I have always been uncomfortable when a reggae beat is inseted in the middle of a slammin space songChris Can't wait for Distant Horizons! > _i_ think the band is trying to repay him for breaking his bus. > rj -- Walk not the earth, but fly through space-HW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A friend was ripped off and his credit card company wants any relevant info on these clowns.....if you have a copy of any correspondence from 4th world....please forward to me if you can thanks bl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Nov 2 00:37:44 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 00:37:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: I'm baaaaaack !!! Message-ID: In a message dated 97-10-31 23:34:20 EST, you write: << And how 'bout that new BOC album ? out yet ? (that was irony, of course >> Actually, I think you mean sarcasm...:-) SET From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat Nov 1 18:55:38 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:55:38 GMT Subject: OFF: I'm baaaaaack !!! Message-ID: ><< And how 'bout > that new BOC album ? out yet ? (that was irony, of course >> > >Actually, I think you mean sarcasm...:-) Oh yeah... that too ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Nov 2 08:30:49 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 23:30:49 +1000 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) Message-ID: > R0lGODdhTAToA7MAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAgIAAgACAgICAgMDAwP8AAAD/AP//AAAA//8A > /wD//////ywAAAAATAToAwME//DJSau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oqq5s675wLM90bd94ru987//A > > Is there anyway you can make this stop. I received what seems like a > thousand lines of this after your post. Certainly not as interesting as > your post. Thanks. Ummm .... Woops! Sorry about that folks. I'd been working long hours and just forwarded it to the list without thinking. Next time I'll save it on the www site and forward the URL. Sorry if it *really* upset anyone! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From micci at SCI.FI Sun Nov 2 07:35:36 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:35:36 +0200 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: Chris Raymond wrote: >I also understand that Xitinstoday has been released on CD. Anyone know >what label? I have the vinyl, but I have not heard it in ages. Hi! E.B.S. will release that in somewhere in time, who knows when. There is also another Sphynx album from Nik in cleopatra label. (Nik Turner-Sphynx cleo21352) Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 2 08:24:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:24:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:30 02/11/97 +1000, you wrote: >>Sorry if it *really* upset anyone! > >Sonique > Well, I am so upset now I'll sign off BOC-L for good!!! That was the last straw, hope you are all happy. Christian ;^) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Nov 2 09:43:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Important notice Message-ID: Hyperspace control, stardate 0-zz9-96578-4: An outbreak of hyperspace turbulence near your star system has resulted into corruption of the manifestation of the new Hawkwind album in your reality. Some tracks intended for the forthcoming Psychedelic Warlords album were accidentally interspersed with true Hawkwind music. To hear the correct version, adjust your Reality Cortex System to ignore tracks 3, 7 and 11, and to insert the soon-to-be-recorded remix of Aerospaceage Inferno after track 8 ("Wheels"). If you lack modern reality adjustment systems, a crude simulation may be achieved by programming your audio reproduction systems accordingly. If you lack even simple temporal adjustment systems, you will just have to imagine the new recording of Aerospacage Inferno, which is a shame, because all of us here at Hyperspace control can vouch for the fact that it really ROCKS!. Too bad if you're too primitive to hear it... -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From kg at THING.DE Sun Nov 2 04:39:08 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:39:08 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE Message-ID: hello all, the next big update on the Calvert site is ONLINE: the Calvert - HAWKWIND - collab-relations story in 4 parts has been completely re-vamped and vastly extended: loads of new pics and collages new / extended texts and interview pieces various real audio soundfiles with excerpts of Calvert interviews and a soundfile of Urban Guerilla - apart from that there are two annexed pages on the uncrowned king of (Hawkwind) design: BARNEY BUBBLES - one of them featuring a letter of Barney Bubbles on the artwork for ASTOUNDING SOUNDS CALVERT & HAWKWINDS collab-relations story - part I starts @ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calhw.htm don't miss it - and pass on some feedback... best, knut -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just fyi, Bryan From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 2 16:31:20 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:31:20 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: <345C4A3C.51196D6F@thing.de> Message-ID: Knut is doing something I think is very unique: ressurecting the man electronically, thawing the remains of uncle Bob out online. If anything, this is what Calvert would have wanted. Perhaps once every little bit of info on Calvert has been obsessively collected onto this site... he will.. LIVE ONCE AGAIN. Somewhere I'm sure there's a scrap of paper written by Calvert foreseeing BOC-L, Knut's pages and Lemmy not showing up at Strange Daze. You never know..... :-) Thanks Knut! Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 3 08:39:48 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:39:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Make It Stop Please!/ Old Farts (Cont.) Message-ID: >Well, I have no kids, but I'm wondering what makes their family life so fucked up. Is it because their parents won't let them date the local crack dealer at age 14, or cause their old man gets drunk and wants to have sex with them? Could be. I know one of the girls was completely against marriage - at 15 she's telling everyone how she's never going to get married and be some guy's "property". Her mom, it turns out, is divorced and re-married, and it sounds as if her step-dad is a real loser. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 3 09:53:45 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:53:45 -0800 Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex Message-ID: >not sure how to describe the sound....pretty guitar heavy...some of the >"alternative" type sound, but not really Eddy "Angst is me" Vedder type >of lyrics....a little more whimsical. >last I heard, it was Nina and Louise on guitars and vocals and 2 guys on >bass and drums > >Ted >Do you know The Breeders? They sound very like them. Or Juliana >Hatfield. Indie-pop. -- >Jon Browne Thanks gents but I'm still not sure what they sound like. If I get a chance I'll take a listen. Didn't they play with Metallica or some other big name band in the first Molson Ice Artic Beach party a few years back? Welcome back Alex. EW may be comming early next year though no definitive date has been set, apparently the boys just finished finishing it. Big news on the recording front is tBS' new one with a couple Hawkwind covers and some Imaginos tunes, Joe Bouchard and the Ex-Brothers (?) new disc and Pete B.'s new solo disc all available through Cellsum. L8er lil ab "You're not going crazy; you're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick OBCD - "Evil is Bad and Good Isn't" - The Tick and the City's Lesser Superheros All Star Band Thats a joke people! 8>) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 3 04:13:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:13:45 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971102223120.007209f4@online.no> Message-ID: >If anything, this is what >Calvert would have wanted. Perhaps once every little >bit of info on Calvert has been obsessively collected >onto this site... he will.. LIVE ONCE AGAIN. Somewhere >I'm sure there's a scrap of paper written by Calvert >foreseeing BOC-L, Knut's pages and Lemmy not showing >up at Strange Daze. You never know..... :-) > >Thanks Knut! > >Christian I was so ill on Friday, I had a fever of 104 and was floating about two foot over my body. Bob appeared to me in a fever vision. Flying helmet, goggles, jodpurs and riding crop, the works. I'm sure he was giving me some mystic key. Sadly, I could not understand a word of it. Obviously, I have some work to do before I'm ready to recieve the wisdom of Bob, but wherever he is, he's looking good, I can tell you that... -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 3 10:09:19 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:09:19 GMT Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:15:31 GMT Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > Go to every concert on a tour (I'm about to go to my first 2) and see how many > nigths sound exactly the same! Well from tapes I've got from various concerts, > in various years, 0. I have jet to find 2 concerts from eon tour which sound > the same. > > But if you can afford to do that then just stick on "Shouldn't Do That" from > ISOS. That is one great track with a great track length to compliment it. > Perpahs thats way I like it. But the guitars have a stnadrd riff which changes > sometimes and then just lots and lots and lots of sax on top. It's just ahsame > they can't do the song now! They have done a live version Shouldn't Do That actually, a couple of years back I think - and it was a very fine rendition! But a word of warning as always with Hawkwind - do not go with any preconceived ideas of what you expect them to sound like - this will Inevitably Disappoint. Hawkwind (Brock) is someone who, deliberately or not so, sets out to confound expectations. The sound they are playing now is probably closest to the 70s Warrior stuff although there are distinct feelings of Calvert and PXR5 lurking around and Reptoid Vision sounds more like a heavy guitar version of Flying Doctor every time I hear it! I should leave the reviews of the two latest gigs at Shepherd's Bush (good to meet up with everyone again!) and Guildford to those wot can do this better than me but as a brief comment just to say that the band have got better every time I've heard them and these two shows were both excellent. The sound mix has all the guitars and even some keyboards in it now - the link from Brainstorm into the bit in the middle has been smoothed out and flows better - Sonic Attack introduces itself more clearly and even Rizz is blending in at times. I wonder if part of the problem here is that the reggae that Hawkwind play doesn't have the same timing as the reggae that Rizz performs so that the band and Rizz appear to be performing as completely separated events. However I definitely felt that the music was beginning to echo his vocals (or he is echoing the music - hanged if I know!). In fact the whole band seem to be getting on really well together and despite the smallish audience at Guildford (nice venue tho' and I really enjoyed the fact that I could see the stage this time!!) they seemed to really enjoy themselves during the set. No special guests however - unless you include the founder member and frontman of Spacehead who performed the intro to Ejection and was helping out with guitar. With him on stage as well that made Hawkwind a six-member band which has to be the largest line-up they've had for a long while! Oh - and I guess I must include the cardboard cutout of a Spice Girl placed prominently stage left and (I'm told) a TeleTubby out front - all part of the experience! jill obFreeGiftFromLondon> sore throat and a cold 8-( obRecordCollectorsDreamComeTrue> finding Al Stewart's "Bedsitter Images" for just 7.00 pounds 8-))))) > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 3 10:19:24 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:19:24 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: Hey, no "new HW album" syndrome with this baby! What a belter! Fuckin' nice one guys! An instant classic! As good as anything I've bought this year by *anyone* Top choons, well done guys, truly well done. Can't wait to get it home and play it on the big system! -- Jon ob.....D'uh! From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 3 09:45:31 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:45:31 +1100 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, 4 November 1997 02:11 Subject: Re: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE >I was so ill on Friday, I had a fever of 104 and was floating about two >foot over my body. Bob appeared to me in a fever vision. Flying helmet, >goggles, jodpurs and riding crop, the works. I'm sure he was giving me >some mystic key. Sadly, I could not understand a word of it. >Obviously, I have some work to do before I'm ready to recieve the wisdom >of Bob, but wherever he is, he's looking good, I can tell you that... >-- >Jon Browne The wisdom of Bob. Bob.... hmmm, there's begining to be a certain kind of Sub-genius ring about all of this...... Now if I can only find some kind of mention of slack in Captain Lockheed.... - Max Wilcox From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 3 10:53:50 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:53:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking Message-ID: > I should leave the reviews of the two latest gigs at Shepherd's Bush > (good to meet up with everyone again!) and Guildford to those wot can > do this better than me Well I dunno about that, but here goes... Friday was a good'un. It started off fantastic, "Wheels" was right on, Ron's delivery on "Warriors" was excellent - the boy gets better every time - and A&B/GV was one of the best renditions I've witnessed (mostly 'cos of Jerry's guitar work). For me, it didn't quite maintain that level throughout, but it was all good stuff. Rizz was fine! I thought about shouting "I voted for you", but since that wasn't strictly true, I didn't... and I'm not sure there's a qualitative difference between "jump up and down, sling yourself around, let everybody know that Hawkwind's on the ground" and "we've got the power, you've got the key, we're BOC", but never mind! He could have overstayed his welcome, but didn't, I didn't think so anyway. The mix was nothing special, but there was nothing really wrong with it either. Couldn't tell what synth parts were Dave and which were Crum, but you never can with synths anyway. Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? I didn't see Dave do much, but then again I wasn't looking, and I must say I didn't miss him. Maybe he's getting ready to pass on the torch to these guys???? I was in town earlier today for a meeting, so I had a look for _Distant Horizons_, but no luck... I nearly bought _Spiceworld_ instead, then I nearly bought _Jugulator_, and then I thought "sod it" and came home. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Nov 3 10:57:00 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:57:00 GMT Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: Top review by Jon. Bought my copy at lunchtime, will give a review ASAP, but this bodes well... BTW, Love in Space is the last track. Neil. Jon wrote : Hey, no "new HW album" syndrome with this baby! What a belter! Fuckin' nice one guys! An instant classic! As good as anything I've bought this year by *anyone* Top choons, well done guys, truly well done. Can't wait to get it home and play it on the big system! -- Jon ob.....D'uh! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 3 11:10:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:10:00 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's mail of Mon, 3 Nov 97 15:57 +0000 Message-ID: On 03 Nov 15:57, Neil Shilladay wrote: > BTW, Love in Space is the last track. It's an instrumental. It sounds like the backing tape for the song itself, i.e. minus the guitar, bass and vocals. It works quite well as an ambient number. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 3 11:47:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:47:05 -0500 Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex Message-ID: >Thanks gents but I'm still not sure what they sound like (Veruca Salt) Well, they sound NOTHING like BOC/tBS/Hawkwind, nor Y&T or Savatage... Some of their stuff is heavy and grungy, although their new album is a bit more pop-oriented -- still, I like the guitar sound they get, although the band's guitar-playing is nothing spectacular (gotta love those Gibson SG's though). Their breakthrough hit off their first album in '94 was "Seether" - perhaps you've heard it ("Can't fight the Seether..."), and their big single off the new album is "Volcano Girls" ("Leave me - lyin' here - cuz I don't wann go..."). I've been told they were heavily influenced by the Pixies, but since I'm not familiar with them, I can't comment further. My suspicion is that most BOC fans will not get particularly excited about Veruca Salt, although if you like a heavy guitar sound, this might appeal to you. Oh yeah, I kind of think of Veruca Salt as being sort of a grungy version of the Go-Go's or the Bangles. Lately, I'm listening more and more to female singers than male singers it seems. John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 3 12:01:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:01:40 +0800 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: Hello all Is this Distant Horizons, and is it credited to HW or Psychedelic Warriors? William From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 3 11:50:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:50:01 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: <01bce867$225c96a0$2e916682@default> Message-ID: At 01:45 04/11/97 +1100, you wrote: > The wisdom of Bob. Bob.... hmmm, there's begining to be a >certain kind of Sub-genius ring about all of this...... Now if I can only >find some kind of mention of slack in Captain Lockheed.... > >- Max Wilcox "You lack slack, Jack of Shadows" "You lack slick, Nik" "You lick Dik, Mik" "There's only one course of slack-tion left for me to take. i've tried every slack selection, lost control & got sick" etc.? pain..ful... ...not... fun..ny... aarrgh........ Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 3 12:11:03 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:11:03 +0800 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: It's me again I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? 2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? and finally 3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being recorded when Alan was still in the band? William From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 3 10:32:43 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:32:43 +0100 Subject: Leeds gig Message-ID: Hi Folks I am looking for a tape from the HAWKWIND gig in LEEDS !!! If someone has a tape (quality doesn't matter) please get in contact Thanks Bernhard From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 3 11:42:05 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 03:42:05 +1100 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, 4 November 1997 04:20 Subject: Re: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! >It's me again > >I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- >1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? >2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? >and finally >3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being >recorded when Alan was still in the band? > >William From what I know, and this may be wrong (and I *SADLY* doubt that I will actually get the album for a month or two, but then again, uh-hum)... From what I know, it was origionaly going to be a PW album, but then Dave thought it was too good for that, and then changed it to a HW album. I guess that if it were a PW album there would be fewer sales, etc, etc. Who knows? - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 3 11:44:21 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 03:44:21 +1100 Subject: HW: Taxi.... Message-ID: Hello out there in New HW album land, What I want to know, for obvious reasons, is what the song "Taxi for Max" is like. Lyrics, theme, etc? - Max "Taxi for" Wilcox From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 3 12:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Tue, 4 Nov 97 01:11 +0800 Message-ID: On 03 Nov 17:11, William Duffy wrote: > I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- It's called "Distant Horizons", it's by Hawkwind, and the track list is: Distant Horizons Good, half ambient/half guitar. Phetamine Street Good, very punky. Waimea Canyon Drive Poor, although some good guitar towards the end. Alchemy Good, a welcome increase in pace. Reminds me a little of Sabbath. Clouded Vision Good, ballad-y. Could do with an extra 30 secs of guitar at the end. Reptoid Vision Excellent. This will be a classic. Population Overload OK, but out of place here. Wheels Very good, rocky. Kauai Short ambient piece, good. Taxi For Max Short fun number, good. Love In Space Instrumental version of the HW song. OK, but out of place here. > 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? The forthcoming one? Who knows? Some of the tracks (Waimea Canyon Drive, Population Overload, Love In Space) sound to me that they would fit better on a PW album, but that's just my opinion. Oddly enough, the title track also sounds a bit like a Psychedelic Warlords track, but fits this album very well. > 2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? No. Leastwise, I don't remember the PW track sounding remotely like this. > 3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being > recorded when Alan was still in the band? I've no idea, I'm afraid. > William Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Nov 3 11:35:51 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:35:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: Sorry to bother all of you with this... I remember reading something by someone who seemed like a Savatage enthousiast on this list. Where are you and what is your name? I've been an avid rock fan for 20 years, but I've never heard Savatage. Probably because their album covers make me think of Manowar (!) and such bands. Anyway, I've heard/read some great things about them lately and I'd like to find out more. Which Savatage album should I check out first? I'd be greatful for an answer, Mr Ola Nyberg Stockholm Sweden From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 3 13:22:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:22:00 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's mail of Tue, 4 Nov 97 03:42 +1100 Message-ID: On 03 Nov 16:42, Max Wilcox wrote: > From what I know, it was origionaly going to be a PW album, but > then Dave thought it was too good for that, and then changed it to a HW > album. I thought they were recording both a HW album and a PW album. The PW album was provisionally titled "Distant Horizons". Then they decided to use the name for the HW album, and put the release of the PW album back to the new year. I've no idea whether the Distant Horizons track was originally intended for the PW album and moved to the HW album. It's possible, but it's also possible that they just decided to use the name. There's no way (IMO) that the whole album could have been intended as a PW album: Reptoid Vision, Phetamine Street, Wheels and Alchemy rock out far too much for that. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 3 14:30:24 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:30:24 -0500 Subject: HW: The Ambient Anarchists Message-ID: Hi Folks... The Ambient Anarchists....where the hell did this compilation come from?? I just picked it up on Saturday, as there were things on there I didn't recognise...after listening to some of it, I still don't. It's a two-disc compilation on the Snapper Music Label (SMD CD 121), and it says licensed from EBS so it's legit (one of the few?), and has a total of 27 tracks. It covers the entire history of HW, and is fairly representative of all the various styles. Although the title suggests it focusses more on the ambient style of Hawkwind, there are lots of exceptions, like Right to Decide, Motorhead, Streets of Fear, Uncle Sam's on Mars, etc. OK, now on to the previously unknown (to me) material. There is a version of Sonic Attack (one of two on the compilation....very strange) that doesn't sound familiar to me. It suggests in the liner notes that it's from 1973, and the vocals seem to be Calvert. There are also three tracks I know I've never heard before...entitled UFO Line, Earth, and Time & Space. All three are ambientish instrumentals. UFO Line is very brief and simply leads into Abducted. Earth is a 4-minute or so piece that sounds quite a bit like something from Brock's 'Earthed to the Ground' solo noodling. Pretty decent track I'd say. Time & Space seems more recent (Alan is credited along with Brock)...an ok track also. Finally, there is a version of the Assassins of Allah/Space is Their (Palestine) live bit they've been doing for awhile now in concert. I think this may be from the Love in Space EP....is that right? However, it's shorter than what I remember, as the first 'half' of AoA is simply the intro bit, and then it cuts right into the middle SiT(P) part. Unfortunately, Lord of Light from LIS isn't on this one...I'd like to have that recording sometime...don't understand why they left it off the Love in Space double. Another strange thing....I'm listening to disc one right now, and track three is definitely PXR5, although it says that it's supposed to be High Rise. And yet another thing.....song credits (which we've seen change many times) are changing again. Motorway City says (Brock/Nevill)....who the hell is Nevill??? and the second Sonic Attack says (Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock), whereas the other one (the 1981 studio version) says just (Moorcock). Wait a second....Motorway City just came on....I have never heard this (obviously live) version before. Maybe there's more new stuff to come on the rest of this disc. So what's the deal with this comp.??? Where did all this stuff come from?? I've been gone for most of the last three months...maybe there's been some discussion before about this one that I missed. If so, can anyone fill me in? Thanks for any help....Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: La Dusseldorf-Viva P.S. Psychedelic Warlords just came on...it's also something I've never heard...it's from early 80's, as Huwy is singing and playing lead. From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Nov 3 14:33:05 1997 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: At 05:35 PM 11/3/97 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry to bother all of you with this... > >I remember reading something by someone who seemed like a Savatage >enthousiast on this list. Where are you and what is your name? I've been >an avid rock fan for 20 years, but I've never heard Savatage. Probably >because their album covers make me think of Manowar (!) and such bands. >Anyway, I've heard/read some great things about them lately and I'd like >to find out more. Which Savatage album should I check out first? > Either "Hall of the Mountain King" or "Dead Winter Dead" would be good first trys. From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 3 16:31:01 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:31:01 -0500 Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex In-Reply-To: <199711031647.LAA27784@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John said: >Well, they sound NOTHING like BOC/tBS/Hawkwind, nor Y&T or Savatage... wow, BOC and Y&T in the same sentence! now if you'd only managed to give King's X a name check, I'd've had to credit you with supremely good taste! as it is I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;-> > >Some of their stuff is heavy and grungy, although their new album is a >bit more pop-oriented yeah, but how can you go wrong with lyrics like "you monkey, you left me!" > Oh yeah, I kind of think of Veruca Salt as being sort of a grungy >version of the Go-Go's or the Bangles. Lately, I'm listening more and >more to female singers than male singers it seems. > me too John....we must be getting old...speaking of which, I just picked up a disc called "Angelica" which pairs 4 sopranos with a couple rock guitarists on some opera tracks...who? oh, no one real famous...just Steve Vai, Eric Johnson and Steve Stevens.... interesting..... Ted From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 3 16:14:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:14:36 EDT Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > me too John....we must be getting old...speaking of which, I just > picked up a disc called "Angelica" which pairs 4 sopranos with > a couple rock guitarists on some opera tracks...who? oh, no one > real famous...just Steve Vai, Eric Johnson and Steve Stevens.... > interesting..... > > Ted Whoa! What's this disc called? How many songs is Steve on? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 2 11:38:48 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:38:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: <01BCE871.061F6300.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 15:53 03/11/97 -0000, AndyG wrote: > >Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? > John McCoy of course - slapheads of the world unite! ChrisW ObLP: Zappa/Mothers/Beefheart - Bongo Fury From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 3 18:45:55 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:45:55 -0500 Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex In-Reply-To: <1FD1056EEE@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > >Whoa! What's this disc called? How many songs is Steve on? > >theo > >*************************************** > >"...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > >--V. Vega which Steve? actually, they are both only on 1 track apiece... the disc is simply called "Angelica" it's on Atlantic cat# 83048-2 Vai is on "Der Holle Rache (Queen of the Night)" from Mozart's "The Magic Flute" and Stevens is on "Caro Nome" from Verdi's "Rigoletto" playing flamenco guitar Johnson is on "Ave Maria" by Schubert next I'm gonna be looking for "Merry Axe-mas".... Jeff Beck playing "Amazing Grace" with a choir and orchestra, and Satriani playing "Silent Night"... I'm very intrigued! Ted From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Mon Nov 3 19:47:40 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:47:40 -0800 Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Lately, I'm listening more and > more to female singers than male singers it seems. Amen to that!! That's the direction I'm taking too! (doesn't hurt having Deb leading tBS!!) Mostly I've been listening to the Dance Hall Crashers (concert in Ventura on the 20th), Drain STH, and Human Waste Project. -- Mike From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Nov 3 15:26:39 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:26:39 GMT Subject: Off: Veruca Salt/ Welcome Back Alex Message-ID: >Welcome back Alex. EW may be comming early next year though no >definitive date has been set, apparently the boys just finished >finishing it. *laughing* I'll keep my fingers crossed, then... >Big news on the recording front is tBS' new one with a >couple Hawkwind covers and some Imaginos tunes, Joe Bouchard and the >Ex-Brothers (?) new disc and Pete B.'s new solo disc all available >through Cellsum.. Sounds pretty good... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Nov 3 15:26:41 1997 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:26:41 GMT Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: >>I remember reading something by someone who seemed like a Savatage >>enthousiast on this list. Where are you and what is your name? Funny that this should come up now ! I was the one who started this thread soon before I left the list (must have been in July or August) and now, I get back on, and what do I see ? A message about Savatage... for a moment I thought the thread had gone on during all the time I was gone *grin* And to answer your questions, my name's Alex, I was in France back then (I *am* French) but I'm in Mexico right now. >>I've been >>an avid rock fan for 20 years, but I've never heard Savatage. Probably >>because their album covers make me think of Manowar (!) and such bands.. *smile* Personally, I'd never even heard of the band until my then girlfriend made me listen to some tracks off "Edge of thorns"... I then listened to another album she had, "Handful of rain", and I found that one really really awesome. Especially that one track, "Chance", which has by now become one of my all-time favorite songs... but you gotta like progressive to enjoy this one, and the whole album for that matter. >>Anyway, I've heard/read some great things about them lately and I'd like >>to find out more. Which Savatage album should I check out first? >> >Either "Hall of the Mountain King" or "Dead Winter Dead" would be good first >trys.. Haven't tried those two yet, but they are in my "to-buy" list... I, of course, would recommend the two I've heard - "Handful of rain" being the better choice for prog fans and "Edge of thorns", perhaps, for those less thrilled by the genre... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 4 04:42:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:42:00 +0000 Subject: HW: The Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's mail of Mon, 3 Nov 97 14:30 -0500 Message-ID: On 03 Nov 19:30, Keith Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks... > > The Ambient Anarchists....where the hell did this compilation come from?? I > just picked it up on Saturday, as there were things on there I didn't > recognise...after listening to some of it, I still don't. I include the message that Mike posted, giving the origin of all but two of the tracks. > Unfortunately, Lord of Light from LIS isn't on this one...I'd like to have > that recording sometime...don't understand why they left it off the Love in > Space double. It's not *that* good a version. Ron does the vocals very well, and there's some good guitar. It's pretty good, but overall it sounds a bit rushed. > And yet another thing.....song credits (which we've seen change many > times) are changing again. Motorway City says (Brock/Nevill)....who the > hell is Nevill??? and the second Sonic Attack says > (Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock), whereas the other one (the 1981 studio version) > says just (Moorcock). I suspect the first one is a remix. Here's the info: The tracklist is: The Ambient Anarchists 1997 Urban Guerilla Right to Decide PXR5 {listed as High Rise} Motorway City Psychedelic Warlords Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars TV Suicide Confrontation Streets of Fear Motorhead The Camera That Could Lie LSD {segue from previous track} Sonic Attack UFO Line Abducted Earth Love in Space The Forge Of Vulcan Life Form Green Finned Demon Virgin Of The World Utopia Space Is Their Palestine {listed as Assassin} Hassan I Sabha {segue from previous track) The Joker At The Gate Time and Space Vega The Last Messiah Versions: Urban Guerilla L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] PXR5 1 PXR5 Motorway City L 6 Undisclosed Files Psychedelic Warlords 3 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP 3 Choose Your Masques [CD only] Sonic Attack 7 Sonic Attack Uncle Sam's On Mars 3 PXR5 3 Repeat Performance TV Suicide L 2 a California Brainstorm Confrontation 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk Streets of Fear 1 a Sonic Attack Motorhead 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD Processed L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} L 3 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples LSD L 3 The Business Trip Sonic Attack U.F.O Line 1 Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams Abducted 1 Alien4 Parasites Are Here On Earth 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Love in Space The Forge Of Vulcan 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] Life Form 1 PXR5 Green Finned Demon L 4 The Business Trip L 4 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} 2 Sonic Attack 2 Angels of Death Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Space is their (Palestine) L 4 Love In Space {Assassins} Hassan I Sabha L 9 Love In Space {Assassins} The Joker At The Gate 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind Time and Space 1 White Zone Vega 1 Alien4 The Last Messiah 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 4 05:11:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:11:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971102163848.006ad13c@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19971102163848.006ad13c at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >At 15:53 03/11/97 -0000, AndyG wrote: > >> >>Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? >> > >John McCoy of course - slapheads of the world unite! of Gillan > McCoy ? -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 4 06:12:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:12:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking Message-ID: At 10:11 AM 11/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <3.0.1.32.19971102163848.006ad13c at mcmail.com>, Chris >Warburton writes >>At 15:53 03/11/97 -0000, AndyG wrote: >> >>> >>>Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? >>> >> >>John McCoy of course - slapheads of the world unite! > > >of Gillan > McCoy ? >-- >Jon Browne The real McCoy? :-) -Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Tue Nov 4 06:29:37 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:29:37 GMT Subject: HW: new album and sheffield gig Message-ID: I'm briefly delurking here... Is it just me or has the list gone terribly quiet? Anyway the new album is out and, as someone (Jon?) predicted, it's in the 2 for 22 quid sale at HMV. I've now got to sit with the thing in my briefcase all day before I can listen to it :-(( Hey but then I can annoy my kids before they go to bed tonight :-)) Haven't seen anything about the recent gigs - Big Mike will be able to confirm a set list as he picked up a copy on Sunday. I thought that the Sheffield show was one of the best HW gigs that I've seen. Fantastic sound - you could hear everything, great lights and projections. The band is _really_ tight and personally I even liked Capt Rizz. The biggest disappointment was the size of the crowd. In fact crowd is a bit of an over-statement. There must have been oh two or three hundred people there. In a smaller venue it would've been great but the City Hall holds 1800 and so looked empty. Why was this tour so badly promoted and advertised? A bit of forethought would _not_ have gone amiss. The Ozrics are in town tonight: if they'd coordinated their tours a HW/ Ozrics dual headliner would be a fantastic prospect. Right work to do... back to lurking Chris Bates From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 4 08:01:21 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:01:21 GMT Subject: OFF: postings In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:35:35 GMT Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > Hi > > Can any one help? > > I've been posting to lsit last week or so and noticed that my posts were > arrive in my post 3 or 4 days later. Any reaons for this? Not sure if they > arrive on lsit 3 or 4 earilyer but the date given is monday. > > Thanks > > Timmy Langner Apparently JANET has choked to death - so you probably won't get this message either! Something about 85% packet loss I'm told so I guess quite a few messages may be lost in the system somewhere. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 4 07:26:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:26:13 EDT Subject: Live in New York 1972? Message-ID: CD express lists this title for BOC. Anyone have it or heard of it? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Nov 4 08:56:38 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:56:38 -0500 Subject: Live in New York 1972? Message-ID: > >CD express lists this title for BOC. Anyone have it or heard of it? > > > >theo > > > It's the 4 song bootleg like on WoTT, but I'm pretty sure they're not remastered. I saw it at The House of Guitars here in Rochester, but I think it was an import and the price was a little too steep, so I passed it up. Brian obCD> Now I Got Worry- The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion > >*************************************** > > > >"...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > > > >--V. Vega -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2183 bytes Desc: not available URL: From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Nov 4 08:47:02 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:47:02 -0500 Subject: Live in New York 1972? In-Reply-To: <2F02AE2399@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >CD express lists this title for BOC. Anyone have it or heard of it? > >theo Sounds like its the promo EP with bucks boogie/woTT/etc that was recorded at the pizza parlor i forgot the name of. (It's probably in the FAQ) Jason From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 4 10:15:30 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:15:30 -0500 Subject: Live in New York 1972? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-04 08:53:42 EST, scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU writes: << Sounds like its the promo EP with bucks boogie/woTT/etc that was recorded at the pizza parlor i forgot the name of. (It's probably in the FAQ) Jason >> Nugget Pizza Parlor, Rochester, NY - 04/03/72 Setlist: The Red And The Black Cities On Flame Stairway To The Stars Workshop Of The Telescopes Originally an FM broadcast from the location. Half the performance was released on the EP. Killer show!! Performed but not released: Transmaniacon MC Last Days Of May Before The Kiss (A Redcap) Born To Be Wild R. From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 4 10:19:17 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:19:17 -0800 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > *smile* Personally, I'd never even heard of the band until my then > girlfriend made me listen to some tracks off "Edge of thorns"... I then > listened to another album she had, "Handful of rain", and I found that one > really really awesome. Especially that one track, "Chance", which has by now > become one of my all-time favorite songs... but you gotta like progressive > to enjoy this one, and the whole album for that matter. Hm, I don't think they're that progressive (although I /am/ a progrock fan). Very melodic, correct; even orchestral. Fuck it, forget the labels. > >>Anyway, I've heard/read some great things about them lately and I'd like > >>to find out more. Which Savatage album should I check out first?AG: > >Either "Hall of the Mountain King" or "Dead Winter Dead" would be good first trys.. I would say "Gutter Ballet", "Streets" (Jon Oliva singing) and "Dead Winter Dead" and "The Wake Of Magellan" (latest two (concept) albums, with Zak Stevens on vocals). AG: > Haven't tried those two yet, but they are in my "to-buy" list... I, of > course, would recommend the two I've heard - "Handful of rain" being the > better choice for prog fans and "Edge of thorns", perhaps, for those less > thrilled by the genre... I am going to see them play live in Amsterdam next Thursday. Has someone seen them on their current tour? Are they going to play Wake Of Magellan complete? (Need to know when to put the next side of the tape on...) Jerry From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Tue Nov 4 12:37:16 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:37:16 -0700 Subject: OFF: Not-so-moldy oldies Message-ID: Okay, amid recent grumbles that the list is getting a bit slooow I thought I'd drop out of lurking mode so as to become part of the solution, and throw this out fer y'all: A couple of bands in the 70's extended-jam/textural/folky/proggy/experimental/pyschedelic/otherwise quirky vein are still in business, and worthy of your attention: Nektar (http://www.nektar.com) Roye Albrighton is one of my favorite tunesmiths. And Calvert guested on "Down To Earth." If they're good enough for Bob... Wishbone Ash (http://skymarshall.com/argus/) Latest album "Illuminations" is *killer*--Ash as they never were--the potential hinted at by "Argus" and "There's The Rub" finally realized, 20 years on. I've NEVER heard another band pull this off. Usually you get nostalgic noodling or some cheesy attempt to be "current." Not here. BTW, Ash will be touring in Europe this month. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn at dimensional.com Boulder, Colorado, USA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 4 12:44:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:44:15 +0000 Subject: HW: new album and sheffield gig In-Reply-To: <199711041129.LAA10061@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711041129.LAA10061 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >Anyway the new album is out and, as someone (Jon?) >predicted, it's in the 2 for 22 quid sale at HMV. Yup, that was me. Here's another prediction..... Live '74 will be called "The 1999 Party" and it won't be long now...... -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 4 12:09:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:09:02 EDT Subject: HW: new album and sheffield gig Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > In article <199711041129.LAA10061 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates > writes > >Anyway the new album is out and, as someone (Jon?) > >predicted, it's in the 2 for 22 quid sale at HMV. > > Yup, that was me. Here's another prediction..... > > Live '74 will be called "The 1999 Party" and it won't be long now...... > > -- > Jon Browne I'm not up on HW chronology. Will Live '74 feature Lemmy on Bass? Also, all you prog rockers, what's your opinion of the new Dream Theater? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 4 12:11:46 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:11:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Not-so-moldy oldies Message-ID: > From: Scott Bullerwell > Wishbone Ash (http://skymarshall.com/argus/) Latest album "Illuminations" > is *killer*--Ash as they never were--the potential hinted at by "Argus" and > "There's The Rub" finally realized, 20 years on. I've NEVER heard another > band pull this off. Usually you get nostalgic noodling or some cheesy > attempt to be "current." Not here. BTW, Ash will be touring in Europe > this month. > Hey, this is great news. Always loved WA. What's the lineup? BTW, you may have to repeat yourself if EW is ever released. The stuff I've heard live is vintage BOC. Harvest Moon compares to anything they've done theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Tue Nov 4 13:35:28 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:35:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Not-so-moldy oldies Message-ID: > > Wishbone Ash (http://skymarshall.com/argus/) Latest album "Illuminations" > > is *killer*--Ash as they never were--the potential hinted at by "Argus" and > > "There's The Rub" finally realized, 20 years on. I've NEVER heard another > > band pull this off. Usually you get nostalgic noodling or some cheesy > > attempt to be "current." Not here. BTW, Ash will be touring in Europe > > this month. > Hey, this is great news. Always loved WA. What's the lineup? Andy Powell (with trademark Gibson Flying V) is the only original member left as a full-time proposition, though (like Fairport or HW) previous members drift in and out on occasion. The new guys--Tony Kishman on bass and vocals, and Roger Filgate on guitar--have a lot to do with WA's phoenix-like revitalization, as does drummer Mike Sturgis. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 4 14:02:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:02:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind: UFO scavenging cro-mags! I was right! Message-ID: Once upon a time I posted to BOC-L: "Like so many german bands did, they picked up on the technological advances yet threw convention out the window, just keeping the ur-spinal throbbe... Hawkwind may be what cro-mags discovering a crashlanded UFO might have sounded like had they started making instruments of the wreckage." then I read an interview with uncle Dave, and he sez: " You can do all these things...Here at home, I actually plug in all my stuff and play by myself with a drum machine. I can write bass lines into a sequencer and the same thing with the keyboards. It's just a matter of practice, what you are doing is playing with the machines, really. With all this electronic music, you have to treat it as a barbarian would, you know? I don't read music, I read a few of the manuals and I think, "fucking hell, this is so confusing" and I would rather plug in and play the thing, off we go! Yeah, I treat it as a barbarian would." Hmmmmm.........? BTW, any brits up for picking me up the LiS CDEP and the new album??? Will trade or caugh up some dough. and Bob's yer uncle! Christian From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Nov 4 14:34:00 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:34:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Screaming Dizbusters - This Ain't t Message-ID: Calling all BOClers, Most of you true B.O.C. fans probably already know this, but just in case you don't, I'd like to inform you of a single by Sweden's *the Screaming Dizbusters* featuring a SUPERB cover version of *This Ain't the Summer of Love*. This single was released in 1987 (I think) by AMIGO Records (I think) and the Screaming Dizbusters are in fact Sweden's garage rock kings *the Nomads*. They've released several singles (I'm, of course, talking vinyl here) under the name of the Screaming Dizbusters, all of which are great, especially an AWESOME rendition of the Dictators *the Next Big Thing* (only released with an issue of the music mag of the same name around 1989). I truly recommend the *This Ain't the Summer of Love* single, if you can find it... Otherwise, both *This Ain't the Summer of Love* and *the Next Big Thing* are available on the Nomads' double compilation CD *Showdown* (on AMIGO Records). This comp is pretty good, but most of the classic Nomads material can be found on obscure singles, usually cover versions. Cheers, Ola Nyberg Stockholm Sweden From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Nov 4 18:48:43 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:48:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma on PAL Message-ID: If any of you want the Buck Dharma Video, I now can get it on PAL format, also. Because the conversion AND shipping is costly, I have a shipping discount on it. If you want info on it, please email me:-) Miracles DO Happen, Take One chuck From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 4 18:42:41 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:42:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: postings In-Reply-To: <199711041301.NAA06505@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:01 04/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >langner timothy writes: > >> Hi >> >> Can any one help? >> >> I've been posting to lsit last week or so and noticed that my posts were >> arrive in my post 3 or 4 days later. Any reaons for this? Not sure if they >> arrive on lsit 3 or 4 earilyer but the date given is monday. >> >> Thanks >> >> Timmy Langner > >Apparently JANET has choked to death - so you probably won't get this >message either! Something about 85% packet loss I'm told so I guess >quite a few messages may be lost in the system somewhere. > >jill Seems a likely scenario - I've had no problems with Mercury at all. ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 4 18:40:15 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:40:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:11 04/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <3.0.1.32.19971102163848.006ad13c at mcmail.com>, Chris >Warburton writes >>At 15:53 03/11/97 -0000, AndyG wrote: >> >>> >>>Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? >>> >> >>John McCoy of course - slapheads of the world unite! > > >of Gillan > McCoy ? >-- >Jon Browne > Well, I was pretty stoned, but I don't know any other bass-players that look even remotely like that! ChrisW ObWaitingToPlay: Spiritualized/Ladies & Gentlemen... & Hawkwind/Distant Horizons From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 4 18:46:24 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:24 +0000 Subject: HW: new album and sheffield gig In-Reply-To: <38zynSAv71X0EwkO@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 17:44 04/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <199711041129.LAA10061 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates > writes >>Anyway the new album is out and, as someone (Jon?) >>predicted, it's in the 2 for 22 quid sale at HMV. > >Yup, that was me. Here's another prediction..... > >Live '74 will be called "The 1999 Party" and it won't be long now...... > >-- >Jon Browne > So if these tapes were from "The 1999 Party" tour, do tapes of Man exist as well? Always living in hope... ChrisW From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Nov 4 21:10:20 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:10:20 -0500 Subject: HW: codex comment Message-ID: Got this in the mail, regarding the Hawkwind Codex. > From: "Kevin Sommers" > To: > Subject: Hawkwind Codex Corrections > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:06:25 -0700 > > I've taken a look at the latest Codex (the very nice bound version from = > OzHawks) and would like to point out a few factual details about the = > "Nova Drive" CDs (Nova Drive, Timeless Paeans From The Ongoing Rituals = > Of Space, Corridor of Flame, and the ill-fated The A-Files). I was = > responsible for the creation and the very limited distribution of these = > crazy things, and would like to set the "record", such that it is, = > straight as to the source and details of the various songs contained on = > them. For example: "Crystal Void" is not from the same tour as "Void's = > End", but is from London, Brixton Academy 7/6/91, with Tim Blake = > guesting on keyboards (hence "Crystal"). > > Much Thankx, > Kevin Sommers From stayer at PI.NET Tue Nov 4 21:21:26 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:21:26 -0800 Subject: Live in New York 1972? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > CD express lists this title for BOC. Anyone have it or heard of it? > *************************************** > "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega Theo, do you keep on sending messages that fit with the tagline so well? :-) It's probably the French pressing (Melodie label, 622237-2). That's the one I've got. Jerry From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 03:42:58 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:42:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: DRAG PACK (fwd) Message-ID: Hi! I suppose it's OK to forward this to BOC-l. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl >From: "Keith Ingersoll" >To: zarnoff069 at juno.com, Bobafet420 at aol.com, nsn at viewpoint.com, > MIKEB0416 at aol.com, peippo at solutions.fi, damian.mcveigh at ucg.ie, > RRRockerrr at aol.com, fulton at vvm.com, lillie at algonet.se, > dmt at mole.bio.cam.ac.uk, mpj95wid at mc.hik.se, > anders.harju at mailbox.swipnet.se, andy at pickin.demon.co.uk, > gmmeyer at tcd.net, nayad at morgan.ucs.mun.ca, gibby_666 at hotmail.com, > HyPoCrIsY6 at aol.com, earl.johnson at gowebway.com, > sinajs at worldnett.att.net, maidaj at nabisco.com, kyuss at macconnect.com, > ham931s at nic.smsu.edu, wally222 at hotmail.com, Pigwalk666 at aol.com, > nmccosker at squirrel.com.au >Subject: DRAG PACK >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:08:02 PST > >Howdy folks! > >DRAG PACK, New Jersey's own stoner rock band, has recently released its >self-titled 7" on the New Brunswick, NJ-based Powerbunny 4x4 Records. >The record contains two tracks -- "Johnny's Last Race" b/w "We Sell >Soul," -- both of which were recorded this past April at Word of Mouth >Studios in West Long Branch, NJ. Copies of the 7" are now available for >a reasonable price of $3 (not too bad, right?) > >Also for sale are copies of the band's five-song demo, featuring the two >songs listed above PLUS "Buzzbomb" (produced by Monster Magnet's Ed >Mundell), "Frequency of Iridium (off Powerbunny's Kitra: Vol.1 comp. >released this year) and a new track, "Not So Fast" (on the upcoming >Kitra: Vol.2 compilation). > >We were giving these demos away for free, yes; unfortunately, at the >rate I'm going with money for postage, tapes, xerox copies and whatnot, >I'm quickly working myself into indentured servitude. Unfortunately, >this means were going to have to charge for the demo tapes ($4). >Honestly, I'm the most generous guy on earth, but I'm going broke by >giving these away for free. I hope everyone understands and I hope you >decide to take a purchase the tape -- it's well worth it. > >Although in short supply, we also have t-shirts for sale ($10). The army >green shirts feature a silk-screened image on the front: a '69 Plymouth >Roadrunner burning rubber. The image was taken from this book I found of >old musclecar ads from the '60s, and it is an actual Plymouth Barracuda >ad from 1968. Way cool. > >SPECIAL DEAL: ALTHOUGH IN LIMITED SUPPLY, FOR $10 WE'LL GIVE YOU BOTH A >T-SHIRT AND 7". Not a bad deal, eh? Write for more details -- we don't >have many shirts left. > >In addition to the upcoming Kitra: Vol. 2 release, we may be doing a >follow-up 7" soon -- the plan is to do one of our newer songs, b/w a >cover of The Who's "Young Man's Blues" (go listen to "Live At Leeds" -- >it's a great fucking song.) > >Thanks again for all your interest in DRAG PACK. Again, I regret that we >can't demos out for free anymore, but I hope you at least take a listen >to the 7". Maybe if I win the lottery sometime soon, we'll give them >away again. The lesson from all of this: Don't major in journalism in >college. Listen to your father and go into business like a smart person. > >One last thing: Our stuff is also going to be available for distribution >through Dallas Tarr Records (run by Ren Squires of the Newfoundland, >Canada stoner rock band, Sheavy) by mid-November. You should write him >and get a copy of the catalog, featuring lots of cool bands: > >DALLAS TARR RECORDS >PO Box 1262, Stn. C >St. John's, NF >A1C 5M9 CANADA >(ren.squires at nf.sympatico.ca) > >In the meantime, send all money, correspondence and drugs to: > >DRAG PACK >c/o Keith >32 Suydam St. >New Brunswick, NJ 08901 >(732)-545-5652 >email:keithi70 at hotmail.com >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9349/dragpack.html (PS -- >Disregard my photos -- my hair is much longer now!!! I look like a total >toolbox in those photos). > >PPS -- We're playing in Baltimore on Dec. 5 -- anyone in the area should >come check us out. It's going to be a blast. Email me for more details. > >--keith > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 03:44:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:44:47 +0100 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma on PAL Message-ID: At 06:48 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >If any of you want the Buck Dharma Video, I now can get it on PAL format, >also. Because the conversion AND shipping is costly, I have a shipping >discount on it. If you want info on it, please email me:-) >Miracles DO Happen, Take One> > >chuck > > Hey hey... I think I can do the conversion for free... -Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 04:39:24 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:39:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! Message-ID: Hi! This is taken from a mormonsite on the net. It's about how to avoid masturbation... As free-minded Swede I find the guide _very_ funny. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl A Guide to Self-Control: 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. 2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company. 3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things. 4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present. 5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you. 6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak. [snip!] 3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge. 4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and finally commit to never doing it again. Until you commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation. [snip!] 9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have no black days. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months. [snip!] 11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called aversion therapy. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act. 12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or shower curtain partly open, to discourage being alone in total privacy. Take cool brief showers. 13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity. 14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring. 15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night. 16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding. 17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement. 18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases. 19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep. "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Nov 5 05:32:34 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:32:34 -0600 Subject: off: way off Message-ID: > help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, > think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat > several of them as you do the act. But just the thought of taking a bath in a tub full of worms makes me so excited, all moving around and slimey, ummmmmm. Anyway, truly funny stuff. Anybody in the U.S. found distant horizons for sale? CDnow and CD universe don't list it. If it's not in the U.S. yet will it be shortly? Will the LIve 74 be released in the U.S. or just the UK? thanks for any answers -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 5 05:29:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:29:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971104234015.006b1b54@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19971104234015.006b1b54 at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >ObWaitingToPlay: Spiritualized/Ladies & Gentlemen... & Hawkwind/Distant >Horizons If I was an NME hack, my review of the new HW album would be headed "Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are (Still) Floating In Space" Does kinda grate that this fine LP (HW that is) won't quite reach the audience which would enjoy it... I gather the "Ladies & Gents" quote is from Sophie's World. Anyone read this book? Any Good? -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 5 06:40:53 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:40:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour Message-ID: This is off subject and since the mail is messed up probably won't get to anyone at all but I feel I should make the attempt! I know there are folk out there who like Porcupine Tree and I would guess that most folk who enjoy Hawkwind will enjoy PT as well but it appears that the band on their current tour are getting desperately small audiences. If anyone in the UK is out there and knows that PT will be playing in their area soon - go and see them! I think you will not be disappointed! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Nov 5 06:47:34 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:47:34 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour Message-ID: Jill writes : If anyone in the UK is out there and knows that PT will be playing in their area soon - go and see them! I think you will not be disappointed! Where can I find tour dates ? & Why didn't PT link up with the Hawks' for the current tour ......? Neil. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Nov 5 07:01:53 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:01:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma on PAL Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-05 03:45:16 EST, you write: << I think I can do the conversion for free... -Daniel Wikdahl >> with copy protection on it? chuck From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 5 07:12:19 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:12:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Live and Kicking Message-ID: > > Does kinda grate that this fine LP (HW that is) won't quite reach the > audience which would enjoy it... Although I'm not blown away by it quite like you are, I know what you mean... DH (which I got Monday evening) has been fighting for CD-player time with the three discs my postwoman brought me yesterday morning, which were New Race's _The First and the Last_, Roky Erickson and the Explosives' _Casting the Runes_, and Rammstein's _Sehnsucht_. In this freely competitive enviroment, of the very highest qualtity, New Race are presently winning (an absolutely knockout version of "Looking at You" probably tips it). So anyway, I've only listened to DH about one-and-a-half times so far, but "Wheels" is my instant favourite... > > I gather the "Ladies & Gents" quote is from Sophie's World. Anyone read > this book? Any Good? > -- > Jon Browne Lots of people have read it, surely - but not me :) It's the one about the history of philosophy, isn't it - "philo-sophie"... could be good, could be grim, anyone's guess... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 5 08:42:57 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:42:57 +1000 Subject: OFF: Way OFF ... Message-ID: But I know one or two who will enjoy it ;^) http://www.gothic.net/~luvcraft/tamagothi/tamagothi.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Wed Nov 5 11:57:35 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:57:35 -0800 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons available online Message-ID: >Anybody in the U.S. found distant horizons for sale? CDnow and CD >universe don't list it. If it's not in the U.S. yet will it be shortly? >Will the LIve 74 be released in the U.S. or just the UK? >thanks for any answers >-- >Standing on the runway waiting for take off >Dan Witt >MInneapolis, MN USA musicblvd.com has the CD listed, and a fairly reasonable price, too. I've ordered from them before with 100% perfect results. It took less than 10 days for my order to get to Canada. I'm not working for musicblvd, but I do search a lot on the web for certain cd's, and they have pretty good selection, and not bad prices. Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Nov 5 11:32:59 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:32:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: BLACK SABBATH BIRMINGHAM Message-ID: Could someone please give me the number of Ticket Master in London and also any Info on the Birmingham gigs--support bands etc. regards, Bill Stewart From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 11:47:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:47:36 +0100 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma on PAL Message-ID: >with copy protection on it? > >chuck > > I'm not sure... But I can find out, just give me a couple of days. (Big chance I'll forget it... so you're excused if you remind me :-) -Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 5 12:13:24 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:13:24 -0500 Subject: Live in New York 1972? Message-ID: >>CD express lists this title for BOC. Anyone have it or heard of it? > >theo Sounds like its the promo EP with bucks boogie/woTT/etc that was recorded at the pizza parlor i forgot the name of. (It's probably in the FAQ) Jason Yep - it is. John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 5 12:45:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:45:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971105093924.00938f88@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Good 'un Daniel. Is this another one of your research projects? :) Oh well, I gotta blow my load here- >A Guide to Self-Control: > >1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet >processes. Depends on what your "normal" business happens to be there!? >2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this >good company. Like joining a sect? >3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU >MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. >Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose >that two of you will quit together, you never will. Hahaha! "Bob, I have something to tell you..." >You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence >will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The >problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. >Your mind must be on other and more >wholesome things. MUST CLEANSE MIND. MUST BE AFRAID OF GOD. GOD SEES ME ALL THE TIME. BAD BAD DISEASE. WILL WATCH MR.ROGERS AND BE HAPPY. >4. When you bathe, do not admire yourself in a mirror. Never stay in the >bath more than five or six minutes -- just long enough >to bathe and dry and dress AND THEN GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room >where you will have some member >of your family present. Hahaha!!!!!! "uh, sis, can you just time me here...?" >5. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, >dress yourself for the night so securely that you >cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and >time consuming for you to remove those clothes. I always go to bed wearing tight leather straps and studs, sometimes wearing a fully buttoned rubber raincoat. Just to be on the safe side, I will get some family member to handcuff me to the bedpost. If it gets bad even then I will ask them whip me!! Really, really HARD! > By >the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have >sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation >would leave you. No matter what you wear you can still get a decent rub-off. Well, you could try if it is a really pressing matter. >6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED >AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND >FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if >you are not hungry, Suggestion: eat some *fruit*. Slowly, with your eyes closed. Passionately lick the juice that runs down the fruit. Preferably a fuzzy, warm peach. Right there, in the "wedge" area... yeah... mmm.. > and despite your fears of >gaining weight. All this talk of FEAR is scaring me. > The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND >ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the >subject of your thoughts, so to speak. According to this, one would seem to be subjects of someone else's thoughts. >3. When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts >as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite >a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn >your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge. Wake up the neighbors, crazy paranoid *sshole freak!!! Anyway, would one not be indulging if one goes to the kitchen to eat something good to drive those evil thoughts away?? >4. Set goals of abstinence, begin with a day, then a week, month, year and >finally commit to never doing it again. "Well mom, today I did it 8 times, next Monday I have to go down to 7 so keep an eye out on me OK?" >Until you >commit yourself to never again you will always be open to temptation. !!! "Father, I have confession to make... I have SINNED..." "Uhhh... please, son, explain it all in lurid detail to me... huhh..." >9. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, >but show it to no one. Hm, you could just tell someone it's for something else?? >If you have a lapse of self >control, color the day black. I hear Mick Jagger and a sitar somewhere... > Your goal will be to have no black days. Praise! HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY. > The >calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self >control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black >day. Oh no!!! More FEAR! > Keep your calendar up until you have at >least three clear months. "My name is *** *****, and I am a..." (heard at the MA-meeting after relapse) >11. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called >aversion therapy. When we associate or think of >something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but >undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will >begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something >very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will >help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, >think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat >several of them as you do the act. Yeah, condition yourself to associate your sexual functions with eating maggots and you will become sane. (Hey, it's actually kinda kinky eh?? ) >12. During your toileting and shower activities leave the bathroom door or >shower curtain partly open, to discourage being >alone in total privacy. Yeah, take a dump and share your shit smell with your family and co-workers. >Take cool brief showers. "I shall be dirty so to keep my unclean thoughts away." Yup, that's the middle ages. Ditto for the 6 minute bath. Anyway, a cold shower will shrink a male member down so he will maybe start worrying if it will ever regain his normal size (whatever that may be). And that is BAD. >13. Arise immediately in the mornings. Happens by itself!!!!!!!!??? > Do not lie in bed awake, no matter >what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Standing *up* and jacking off? Sounds like a hassle. >Start each day with an enthusiastic activity. Like jacking off??? >14. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids >before retiring. Ah, no more hot chocolate for me. Or nightcaps. >15. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly >as possible at night. Hey! I love to fart under the covers, especially after the Indian take out. >16. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding. Ho hum, here we go repeating ourselves - again (like "bath" and "shower" procedures) >17. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might >create sexual excitement. Actually, all pictures are bad. Yes people, remember: STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE THAT EXCITE YOU SEXUALLY!!! That is BAD. The best way to do this might be to marry as many wives as you can (if you are a mormon guy anyway). Hwo knows how those kids got inside the women in the first place??? >18. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming >this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in >hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases. Ah yes. I usually take wiith me my issues of "Giant-Size Man-Thing" Marvel comics to bed. >19. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame >with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a >semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing >several layers of clothing which would be >difficult to remove while half asleep. Boy, they pound this in eh? Oh well, onto a healthier and more wholesome life - only 6 or 7 more hours till bedtime! Better down that chocolate now. Christian PS: I have my foot on standby to be placed in my mouth. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 5 12:47:59 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:47:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: FWD :Re: Rush Drummer Message-ID: Seing as this is a good time to post (jerk-)off posts, I think this my be slightly less off than Daniel's post (actually, it turned me ON!!!!!) Anyway, >Subject: Re: Rush Drummer >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 03:34:46 GMT >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 > >On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:22:30 -0500, you wrote: > >I found this on the the Rush Newsgroup! This is either a joke, or it's >...hehhehehehehe.. serious... > >>The drummer from Rush sucks. He is blown away by lots of other rock >>drummers like Tommy Lee from Motley Crue. Tommy Lee rules. He has >>played drums while upside down. Can the drummer from Rush say the same >>thing? No. The drums in "Red Hot" are better than "Tom Sawyer" any >>day. Tommy Lee rocks the double bass drumkit. How can you listen to >>such a boring band like Rush? Listen to Motley Crue! They Rock! My >>ex-boyfriend listened to Rush. He's a drunk, stuck-up snob. I tried to >>tell him how Motley Crue rocks over Rush any day, he ignored me. He >>never listened to anything but Rush. They suck. They are boring. Rush >>fans need to listen to better rock bands like Motley Crue and Poison. >>The drummer from Poison can play standing up. Can the drummer from Rush >>do that? I don't think so. >>Mish > > > From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Wed Nov 5 07:55:05 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:55:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: DIGEST problems, Screaming Dizbuste Message-ID: LO music lovers, In a way, this message is a test... --- DIGEST problems ---- Until now, I've had the DIGEST type subscription to this list, where one receives a DIGEST mail containing one attached file per mail message after a certain number of bytes of messages has been reached. However, our mail gateway (TFS) has suddenly decided to remove all the text from the attached files... I just received a DIGEST mail consisting of 25 totally empty attached files... I have now turned off the DIGEST mode and hope things will work out better. This is not the first problem I've had with TFS, be warned! --- Screaming Dizbusters --- I was thinking that perhaps someone had commented on my message about the Screaming Dizbusters. Well, if you have, I haven't received it, since the last 25 or so messages were chewed up by TFS. If you have any comments/questions, please send the mail again (privately, if you like). All the best, Ola Nyberg Stockholm Sweden From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 5 13:25:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:25:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind: UFO scavenging cro-mags! I was right! In-Reply-To: christian's mail of Tue, 4 Nov 97 20:02 +0100 Message-ID: I saw an interview with Michael Moorcock in seventies sometime, where he said he liked HW because where bands like Pink Floyd and Yes were self-conscious about their use of synthesisers, HW treated them like barbarians would. So maybe Dave was influenced by that remark (or the other way around). Dave. as another sort of noise On 04 Nov 19:02, christian wrote: > Once upon a time I posted to BOC-L: > > "Like so many german bands did, they picked up on the > technological advances yet threw convention out the window, just keeping > the ur-spinal throbbe... Hawkwind may be what cro-mags discovering > a crashlanded UFO might have sounded like had they started making > instruments of the wreckage." > > then I read an interview with uncle Dave, and he sez: > > " You can do all these things...Here at home, I actually plug in all my > stuff and play by myself with a drum machine. I can write bass lines into a > sequencer and the same thing with the keyboards. It's just a matter of > practice, what you are doing is playing with the machines, really. With all > this electronic music, you have to treat it as a barbarian would, you know? > I don't read music, I read a few of the manuals and I think, "fucking hell, > this is so confusing" and I would rather plug in and play the thing, off we > go! Yeah, I treat it as a barbarian would." > > Hmmmmm.........? > > BTW, any brits up for picking me up the LiS CDEP and the new album??? > Will trade or caugh up some dough. > > and Bob's yer uncle! > > Christian -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 5 13:27:19 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:27:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! Message-ID: The only problem I have with this off posting , ie." treatise on sexual repression", is that it seems to be gender biased and speaks only to male members... LMAO...Pun intended..... Briz From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 13:45:45 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:45:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: DIGEST problems, Screaming Dizbuste Message-ID: Ola wrote; > --- Screaming Dizbusters --- >I was thinking that perhaps someone had commented on my message about the >Screaming Dizbusters. Well, if you have, I haven't received it, since the >last 25 or so messages were chewed up by TFS. If you have any >comments/questions, please send the mail again (privately, if you like). No, Ola no one has said anything about the Screaming Dizbusters... It's sad, isn't it? I've tried several times in the past to stimulate (ho ho :-) someone to at least ask me a single little tiny tiny Q about this band... but not a single person seems on BOC-l seems to be interested in Swedish garagebands - no matter if Sonic Youth loves them or not. :-( They rather discuss obscure Australian acts which _may_ have done BOC covers but no one knows for sure (...maybe they have done BOC covers - I don't know, if the Anglicans don't pay attention to me - then I don't pay attention to them... :-) Well, never mind... the Nomads is IMHO one of the few real rock bands there is (please - don't ask me what I mean whith this... it's just a feeling). The TatSoL cover kicks ass! I don't own it myself and the Screeming Dizbuster 7" have I only seen pictured in Morning Final for a long time ago. But you owns it? Right? mvh - Daniel ObLiveTape: the Hellacopters Roskildefestival -97 "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 13:51:16 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:51:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! Message-ID: Briz wrote: >The only problem I have with this off posting , ie." treatise on sexual >repression", is that it seems to be gender biased and speaks only to male >members... >LMAO...Pun intended..... Do girls masturbate!?! Gaaaah! Why have nobody told me this before? That's why my ex-girlfriend never wanted me to take a shower with her! I see everything so clear now! :-) -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 5 13:53:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:53:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! Message-ID: At 06:45 PM 11/5/97 +0100, you wrote: >Good 'un Daniel. Is this another one of your research projects? :) ... no it's research project of friend of mine... of course... ;-) > >Oh well, I gotta blow my load here- > I knew you had to. :-) -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 5 13:44:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:44:35 EDT Subject: OFF: FWD :Re: Rush Drummer Message-ID: > From: christian > Seing as this is a good time to post (jerk-)off posts, I think this > my be slightly less off than Daniel's post (actually, it turned me ON!!!!!) > Anyway, > > > >Subject: Re: Rush Drummer > >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 03:34:46 GMT > >X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 > > > >On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:22:30 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I found this on the the Rush Newsgroup! This is either a joke, or it's > >...hehhehehehehe.. serious... > > > >>The drummer from Rush sucks. He is blown away by lots of other rock > >>drummers like Tommy Lee from Motley Crue. Tommy Lee rules. He has > >>played drums while upside down. Can the drummer from Rush say the same > >>thing? No. The drums in "Red Hot" are better than "Tom Sawyer" any > >>day. Tommy Lee rocks the double bass drumkit. How can you listen to > >>such a boring band like Rush? Listen to Motley Crue! They Rock! My > >>ex-boyfriend listened to Rush. He's a drunk, stuck-up snob. I tried to > >>tell him how Motley Crue rocks over Rush any day, he ignored me. He > >>never listened to anything but Rush. They suck. They are boring. Rush > >>fans need to listen to better rock bands like Motley Crue and Poison. > >>The drummer from Poison can play standing up. Can the drummer from Rush > >>do that? I don't think so. > >>Mish I swear to christ I didn't write it! theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 5 15:18:02 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:18:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: FWD :Re: Rush Drummer Message-ID: >> >I found this on the the Rush Newsgroup! This is either a joke, or it's >> >...hehhehehehehe.. serious... It's a troll... >> > >> >>The drummer from Rush sucks. He is blown away by lots of other rock >> >>drummers like Tommy Lee from Motley Crue. Tommy Lee rules. He has You can modify it any way you like and leave it any newsgroup. Heck, you could even swap in Danny Thompson... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 5 16:03:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:03:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Waaaaay Off, masturbation! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971105185116.00949b64@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 19:51 05/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Do girls masturbate!?! >Gaaaah! Why have nobody told me this before? >That's why my ex-girlfriend never wanted me to take a shower with her! >I see everything so clear now! :-) WATCH those unclean THOUGHTS, Daniel. Nobody here wants to overstimulate anyone's lurid imagination. Anyway, OF COURSE girls don't masturbate! Nobody does! Jeez, get with the program! Maybe I'll just take a long warm crap and then a long hot shower, then maybe drink some hot cocoa and then get all snuggly under the warm covers, and call it a day... Christian From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Nov 5 16:25:45 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:25:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: NYC SPACEROCK! B0RN to G0/Elbow room, 144 Bleecker St. Tuesday 11/11/1997 11pm Message-ID: SET THE CONTROLS FOR THE HEART OF New York City =============================================== YOU and your friends, partners, loved ones and compadres are invited to this Sonic Spacefest Party, to be held at: THE ELBOW ROOM 144 Bleecker Street (between Thomson and LaGuardia) New York City, 11th November 1997 at 11pm cover $5 The first LIVE performance of wild SpaceRock tribe B0RN to G0 in New York City! So good they named it Twice! Heed well the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" Celebrate the birth of the New AEON, a wake for the twighlight of the old Millenium. B0RN to G0 will be performing the UNIX Anthem, 'kill -9', as well as their foray into Quantum Reality, 'Quantum Cat', well, actually they can't be certain that they are gonna play that. The environmentally sensitive will appreciate 'Wrecking the Green Machine' where the Planets ills are well delineated and the blame placed fairly and squarely on US, the complacent many. Former Hawkwind front-being and spaced-out poet Robert Calvert's life and work will be celebrated in the song, 'Radio Calvert', debuted at Strange Daze 97, the USA's first SpaceRock festival. Partake in the pangs of Man/WomAndroid passionate angst with 'Burning Inside'. Enjoy a Strange Encounter with the other B0RN to G0 SpaceRock greats, 'Navigator', 'Farthest Star', 'Wrecking the Green Machine', 'Mad Droid' and many others. Yes, boys and girls, would you rather have intimate relations with the many-tentacled Blue Odlark of Arcturus Prime, or see B0RN to G0? Fortunately, you don't have that choice. Experience B0RN to G0 and have your Consciousness Expanded. Recall Axiom 2 of the SpaceRock Manifesto - "AWARENESS, Once Expanded beyond a certain point, will never shrink back to its former boundaries" Listen to what the critics say: "This band really score with Alien Babes", Captain James Tiberius Kirk. "Perhaps we could discuss this?", Jean-Luc Picard. "This is the one thing you can be sure of", Werner Heisenberg. "I demand a rematch!", Garry Kasparov. "The best bang since the big one", Eccentrica Galumbits. "This is NOT Music", NME - (of course not, its SpaceRock you Idiot!) "Huh, Huh huh, He said 'SpaceRock' Butthead", Beavis. "Yes, most appropiate", Dave Brock of HAWKWIND. Be there or lose your chance at Quantum Immortality. And the Gods Spoke, "Let there be SpaceRock." And Lo, there was SpaceRock, and it was Good. Marc Power (B0RNtoG0) -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 5 17:43:32 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:43:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour In-Reply-To: <199711051140.LAA17824@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jill wrote: > I know there >are folk out there who like Porcupine Tree and I would guess that most >folk who enjoy Hawkwind will enjoy PT as well but it appears that the >band on their current tour are getting desperately small audiences. > >If anyone in the UK is out there and knows that PT will be playing in >their area soon - go and see them! I think you will not be >disappointed! > >jill I'd be game, even though I've only heard a couple of snatches of them (thanx Jon). Do you have a tour itinerary, or is there a webpage somewhere? ChrisW ObCD: Stockhausen/Gruppen From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 6 04:49:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:49:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Stockhausen In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's mail of Wed, 5 Nov 97 22:43 +0000 Message-ID: On 05 Nov 22:43, Chris Warburton wrote: > ObCD: Stockhausen/Gruppen Don't you need three separate hi-fi systems to hear that piece properly? :-) Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 6 05:30:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:30:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: BLACK SABBATH BIRMINGHAM In-Reply-To: <971105113237_1048646535@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <971105113237_1048646535 at mrin45.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart writes >Could someone please give me the number of Ticket Master in London and also >any >Info on the Birmingham gigs--support bands etc. > >regards, >Bill Stewart Ain't got TicketBastard's # on me but these two are just as good/bad. Stargreen (UK )0171-734-8932 Rakes (UK) 0171-240-0771 hope it helps -- Jon From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Nov 6 05:20:48 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:20:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: >>Ola wrote; >> --- Screaming Dizbusters --- >>I was thinking that perhaps someone had commented on my message about the >>Screaming Dizbusters. Well, if you have, I haven't received it, since the >>last 25 or so messages were chewed up by TFS. If you have any >>comments/questions, please send the mail again (privately, if you like). >No, Ola no one has said anything about the Screaming Dizbusters... >It's sad, isn't it? >I've tried several times in the past to stimulate (ho ho :-) someone to >at least ask me a single little tiny tiny Q about this band... but not >a single person seems on BOC-l seems to be interested in Swedish garagebands >- no matter if Sonic Youth loves them or not. :-( >They rather discuss obscure Australian acts which _may_ have done >BOC covers but no one knows for sure (...maybe they have done BOC covers >- I don't know, if the Anglicans don't pay attention to me - then I don't pay >attention to them... :-) Yes it is deeply sad. The Nomads are probably the best Swedish rock band ever. But it's not surprising that people don't know about them, they tend to put mediocre stuff on their regular albums and then release killer songs on obscure vinyl singles... Fortunately, some of these are now available on the *Showdown* compilation. >Well, never mind... the Nomads is IMHO one of the few real rock bands there is >(please - don't ask me what I mean whith this... it's just a feeling). >The TatSoL cover kicks ass! >I don't own it myself and the Screeming Dizbuster 7" have I only seen pictured >in Morning Final for a long time ago. >But you owns it? Right? Yes, I have a copy of it. The B-side is a track called *Out of the Frying Pan Into the Fire*, a VERY BOC-esque (so to speak) song, and very good too. I think that one's also available on Showdown. As I mentioned earlier, the *Next Big Thing* single is a classic, as well as it's B-side, *He's Waitin'*, also a cover, but I can't remember by who. Recently, the Nomads released a mini album of covers of obscure Canadian (!) punk bands called *The Cold Hard Facts of Life*. It's good but not excellent. I'va also found a single featuring two Holland/Dozier/Holland songs, one of which is *Leaving Here*, immortalized by Motorhead in the seventies. Pretty good stuff! And not to mention the cover of *Wimp* by some early eighties West Coast punk band (also a single, only released in Spain, I think...). That one rocks! Don't get me wrong, they've done some great songs of their own too. Check out the *Sonically Speaking* and *Powerstrip* albums. There are a lot of classics on their earlier releases too, but you must find them among all the mediocre stuff... > mvh - Daniel >ObLiveTape: the Hellacopters Roskildefestival -97 I suppose you recorded this from the radio show P3 Live? You didn't by any chance record the Motorhead gig from the Cirkus in Stockholm, March 18 - 1997? I would love to have a copy of that! Cheers, Ola From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 6 04:51:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:51:38 +0000 Subject: HW: new album and sheffield gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971104234624.006ae5ac@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19971104234624.006ae5ac at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >So if these tapes were from "The 1999 Party" tour, do tapes of Man exist as >well? > >Always living in hope... > >ChrisW Good question. I've a friend of a friend who's been very involved with this project, I'll see what I can find out.... -- Jon From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Nov 6 06:19:54 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Rhyl In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971101155450.006ae014@mcmail.com> Message-ID: Made my way up to the coast on Monday night to see HW at Rhyl. Audience of maybe 400 at the Pavilion, respectably full. This is an all-seat venue more suited to panto, but it was OK in a laid-back sort of way. Sound was on the quiet side but a decent mix, with Crum's keyboards suitably well-back. This was the first time I'd seen the Jerry/Ron lineup and it seemed to work well. No particular surprises in the setlist. Decent enough versions of most of the songs with perhaps the best of the night being "Blue Skin" (oddly enough). Brock seemed to be enjoying himself (always a good sign) though he didn't come that far out from the shelter of his cocoon ... so, generally a serviceable performance, reasonable set, decent audience, no more than the usual HW ratio of self-indulgence to rocking out ... so, OK then? Er ... not OK. This was the first time I had the misfortune to see the infamous Captain Rizz. Fuck me, what a tosser. What an embarrassment. What a liability. I've been following HW for twenty years. I'm insulted. He might appeal to the casual pissheads in the audience but they won't be there next year; nor will I unless that asshole is out. I suppose the only consolation is that on normal HW turnover rates, he will be. Alun From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 6 06:41:55 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:41:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Ola writes; >Yes it is deeply sad. The Nomads are probably the best Swedish rock band >ever. But it's not surprising that people don't know about them, they >tend to put mediocre stuff on their regular albums and then release >killer songs on obscure vinyl singles... Fortunately, some of these are >now available on the *Showdown* compilation. Someday... when I've got lots of money... >Yes, I have a copy of it. The B-side is a track called *Out of the Frying >Pan Into the Fire*, a VERY BOC-esque (so to speak) song, and very good >too. "Out of the frying pan into the fire" - is that a set phrase in English? I'm thinking of a possible Deep Purple connection here... though it sounds unlikely... > I think that one's also available on Showdown. As I mentioned >earlier, the *Next Big Thing* single is a classic, as well as it's >B-side, *He's Waitin'*, also a cover, but I can't remember by who. >Recently, the Nomads released a mini album of covers of obscure Canadian >(!) punk bands called *The Cold Hard Facts of Life*. It's good but not >excellent. I've seen it several times but never listened to it. One would really like to know why they choosed to play covers of _Canadian_ bands... funny theme of a album. >I'va also found a single featuring two Holland/Dozier/Holland >songs, one of which is *Leaving Here*, immortalized by Motorhead in the >seventies. Holland? I don't know much 'bout Motorhead... but of course I've heard (I own it on CD) "Leaving Here"... is it a Pink Faires composition? (Looks like I haven't done my homework properly). >>ObLiveTape: the Hellacopters Roskildefestival -97 > >I suppose you recorded this from the radio show P3 Live? Yep! Too bad I couldn't afford to go there this year (but the wheather was not so nice... I took a trip to Holland the same week...) >You didn't by >any chance record the Motorhead gig from the Cirkus in Stockholm, March >18 - 1997? I would love to have a copy of that! I'm afraid I didn't. But I've heard it. Wasn't the show broadcasted sometime this fall? If it was... I think I know a person on BOC-l who might have it. Somebody who's still waiting with big patience for his Kyuss tape. (Gah! I hate myself... Varfor far jag aldrig tummen ur roven?) mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 6 06:50:44 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:50:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Rhyl Message-ID: >Er ... not OK. This was the first time I had the misfortune to see the >infamous Captain Rizz. Fuck me, what a tosser. What an embarrassment. What >a liability. > >I've been following HW for twenty years. I'm insulted. He might appeal to the >casual pissheads in the audience but they won't be there next year; nor will >I unless that asshole is out. I suppose the only consolation is that on >normal HW turnover rates, he will be. > >Alun I've not been following the HW tour threads so close... and I have to admit that I don't understand anything anylonger... who is this Captain Rizz that everybody on BOC-l seems to hate? What is he doing with Hawkwind? (I _haven't_ done my homework!) mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Nov 6 06:56:32 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:56:32 +0200 Subject: HW:Sale Message-ID: I just wanted to let everyone know that Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes is trying to raise money to replace his worn out synthesizer and he is selling some of his massive music collection. He will sell his complete HW collection, which includes all the lps from the 70's, some ep's, boot lps, etc.. as well as a complete Peter Hammill-VDGG set of 40 lps in a box that was used by Peter Hamill himself. He is also selling some synth equipment. I will post more details soon. If you have his phone number you can give him a call. 718-723-1662 (NYC) scott OBCs- Alien Planetscapes- Sherman, NY 8-31-97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 6 08:02:19 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:02:19 -0000 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Hmm... found their homepage (http://www.canit.se/~nomads), they've got a long discography, but I was most interested in this entry; Children of the Night-What Music They Make (Various artists, Roky Erickson Tribute) (LP) Birdbrain records DK/1997 - Red Temple Prayer I also noticed a version of "You're Gonna Miss me" on a b-side... all that and MC5-referenced album titles... they've got all the right influences, I'll give 'em that.... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 6 08:38:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:38:42 GMT Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: On l?r 1 nov 1997 14.34 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > i remember yer post about the nyc show. that WAS a fluke. the reason > that show > was umm... less than perfect can be pinned to one person, really. i'm > not naming him tho'. I do recall it looking a lot like the guy at the soundboard was going to get killed at one point .... :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hawkwind, _Distant Horizons_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 6 08:52:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOF Re-Master? (sort of) Message-ID: I just got in the mail the latest catalog from "Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab" - they make those "Original Master Recordings" on the gold CDs. Anyways, they've added BOC's *Agents of Fortune* to their catalog with the words "Tentative 1998" - so I assume it's not yet available. Anyone out there with some knowlege/experience with these things? Would it be worth it to buy this? Would this be independent of Sony re-mastering the BOC catalog? John From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Nov 6 09:02:50 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:02:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOF Re-Master? (sort of) In-Reply-To: <199711061352.IAA10810@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John queried: >Anyone out there with some knowlege/experience with these things? Would >it be worth it to buy this? Would this be independent of Sony re-mastering >the BOC catalog? >From what I know of the Mobile Fidelity series, the sound quality IS good--_Bridge of Sighs_ by Trower on the MF line has sounds that aren't heard in the original mix...a far fuller sound they have. Where did I get it in my head that they went out of business? Jason *now featuring the following sig file: "I'm in a FOUL mood today.Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song.You wanna see THEM, see THEM.I don't give a shit." - R. Meltzer From bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU Thu Nov 6 09:34:45 1997 From: bcash at ESSC.PSU.EDU (Benjamin Cash) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:34:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops In-Reply-To: from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Nov 6, 97 01:38:42 pm Message-ID: > > that show > > was umm... less than perfect can be pinned to one person, really. i'm > > not naming him tho'. > > I do recall it looking a lot like the guy at the soundboard was going > to get killed at one point .... :) ....and possibly eaten. Although I really think that you would have to spread some of the blame around to the 3 zillion people that they crammed into the place. By the end of the show I think we were all sharing the same oxygen molecule... Ben From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Nov 6 10:57:46 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:57:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Lemmy, Sator Codex Message-ID: Dear Hawkfrendz, --- Jerry Richards --- Is there somebody out there in Hawkland who can help me out here... I just remembered something I must have read in a HWFB newsletter or perhaps in some issue of HF: A few years back HW did a tour (in Europe, I think) without Dave Brock (he was knackered or something). Yes, I know, it sounds unbelievable, HW without Commander Brock! They were a three-piece and some dude replaced Dave on guitar (and vocals?). My question is: Was this guitarist by any chance Jerry Richards? Can the man sing? (How could anyone replace Dave on a song like the Golden Void? I've seen Alan sing it, and it wasn't that great...). --- Lemmy --- There's been a rumour that Lemmy would team up with the Hawks for a couple of dates on the current UK tour, since Motorhead are/were touring England's green and pleasant land at the same time. Anybody know if Lemmy showed up this time around? --- Sator Codex --- Sweden's Sator Codex did a great (and different!) cover version of *Master of the Universe* on their debut album *Wanna Start A Fire?* in 1986. Do all of you Hawkheads out there know about this album? It's quite (aarrggghhh, I hate to use this word) progressive and keyboard-oriented with a slight melancholic touch (Sisters of Mercy type feeling). Anyway, I like it and recommend it. Sator Codex lost their singer and then changed their name to Sator and started playing some sort of industrial punk (I invented that one myself, sorry...), punk rock with lots of weird synth/keyboard effects that is, and then moved on to more conventional pop punk. They haven't released an album for a number of years now, I think. Ola Nyberg From kg at THING.DE Thu Nov 6 11:57:19 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:57:19 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article Message-ID: hi there, if you just happen to live in Germany OR be a part of the German-speaking population on this list, I'll recommend you buy tomorrow's (friday 7/11/97) edition of the 'tageszeitung' (taz) - which will feature an extended article on Robert Calvert and the Calvert website 'the spirit of the p/age' the 'taz' is also on the web @ http://www.taz.de/~taz/ don't miss it - I mean whenever - since the old days - have you seen Mr. C. in the papers? besides, its a good journalist who wrote this and I expect it to be an interesting / witty piece of writing. very best, knut From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Nov 6 12:32:42 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:32:42 GMT Subject: Distanct horzions Message-ID: I'm suprised I havn't hard anything about the new album on here. May be the mails are taking ages to reach me! Any way I havn't got around to buying it jet (CDs are not cheap!) but what does it sound like? From the live recordings I've heard sounds liek it will be good. I hope thwe title track is good. Nice to see Jerry writing as well as chadwick and of coruse ron. I wasn't sure if Jerry could write songs. But why is love in sapce on it? Is that version any good? Also Ididn't realsie Jerry did anything else aprt from play guitars. And I'm also glad to see the wrod audio generator on the album. Been eyars sicne that word was used. Never was totaly sure what it ment but whatever it use to produce a good sound so hopefuly it's doing the same now. Still annoyed it's not on record! But at least Our price had 4 copies of CD in oxford which surprised me since they rarly stock much hawkwind apart from some outdated colleciton. But one thing I was told was album called Alian was being realsied on 17th novemebr. I assume it must be the live album from 74. That's out on record so why isn't the current hawkwind album out on record? Or have they gone off records a bit. They seem to hate tapes. Timmy Langner From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 6 12:47:21 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:47:21 +0100 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Hi Miikka! The tape will be sent tomorrow, it?s the one from Strange daze, USA in august. You?ll like it, I promise. Take care Henrik btw. have you bought Krel?s CD "Ad Astra"? Miikka Wagner wrote: > Henrik wrote: > > > >Will make you a tape next week Miikka :-)) . > > > > Great!! > > Miikka Wagner > email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. > (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > -SPACEHEAD- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 6 12:52:09 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:52:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: <199711061503.PAA14664@mn1.swip.net> Message-ID: Hello Ola >I just remembered something I must have read in a HWFB newsletter or >perhaps in some issue of HF: A few years back HW did a tour (in Europe, I >think) without Dave Brock (he was knackered or something). Yes, I know, >it sounds unbelievable, HW without Commander Brock! They were a >three-piece and some dude replaced Dave on guitar (and vocals?). The guy's name who replaced DAVE BROCK on the European Tour from 12.03.1991 - 10.04.1991 is STEVE BEMAND. He is an old friend from RICHARD CHADWICK. Played with him in a band called SMART PILS STEVE played on this tour guitar and was singing only OUT OF THE SHADOWS. His guitar playing wasn't as good as DAVE BROCKS playing but he did a good job especially on BACK IN THE BOX (he played the USA anthem) I've seen HAWKWIND on this tour 4 times and I enjoyed every gig very close to the stage. The best gig on this tour was the longest gig HAWKWIND have ever played. It was the 140 minutes gig in ATHEN (Greece) with a couple of outstanding mega-long songs!!!!!! >Was this guitarist by any chance Jerry Richards? No. JERRY RICHARDS played with HAWKWIND (HAWKDOG) for the 1st time in autumn 1988. His very 1st HAWKWIND gig was the ISLE OF MAN FESTIVAL on 07.06.1995 I AM STILL LOOKING FOR A TAPE FROM THIS GIG. Anybody out there who's got it??? >Can the man sing? Not very good >(How could anyone replace Dave on a song like the Golden Void? Alan and Bridgett were singing GOLDEN VOID cheers Bernhard From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 6 12:50:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:50:00 +0000 Subject: Distanct horzions In-Reply-To: langner timothy's mail of Thu, 6 Nov 97 17:32 +0000 Message-ID: On 06 Nov 17:32, langner timothy wrote: > I'm suprised I havn't hard anything about the new album on here. May be the > mails are taking ages to reach me! I suspect so -- I've seen several. > But one thing I was told was album called Alian was being realsied on 17th > november. I assume it must be the live album from 74. That's out on record > so why isn't the current hawkwind album out on record? Remember they're published by different companies. The Live '74 album is being published by EMI, whereas Distant Horizons is published by EBS. EBS used to release Vinyl versions of HW albums, but maybe they found that they weren't selling enough for it to be worthwhile? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 6 13:16:46 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:16:46 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article Message-ID: stalker wrote: > hi there! Hi Knut! > if you just happen to live in Germany OR be a part of the > German-speaking population on this list, I'll recommend you buy > tomorrow's (friday 7/11/97) edition of the 'tageszeitung' (taz) > - which will feature an extended article on Robert Calvert and the > Calvert website 'the spirit of the p/age' > > the 'taz' is also on the web @ > > http://www.taz.de/~taz/ > > don't miss it - I mean whenever - since the old days - have you seen Mr. > C. in the papers? > besides, its a good journalist who wrote this and I expect it to be an > interesting / witty piece of writing. We?ll check it of course! btw. I?ve just checked your own update and I?m amazed of course, interesting piece about Barney Bubbles. And what about all these cool pics that?s on the site, are you creating them yourself or...? > very best, > knut The same Hawkswede -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Nov 6 13:42:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:42:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Top of the Pops Message-ID: Benjamin Cash wrote: > > > > that show > > > was umm... less than perfect can be pinned to one person, really. i'm > > > not naming him tho'. > > > > I do recall it looking a lot like the guy at the soundboard was going > > to get killed at one point .... :) > > ....and possibly eaten. Although I really think that you would have to spread > some of the blame around to the 3 zillion people that they crammed into > the place. By the end of the show I think we were all sharing the same > oxygen molecule... > > Ben this is true. i was looking for someone to kill by the end of the night. what a shame, there wasnt a "bunny brain" in sight. but after having watched the house soundman (f) toil all day with the band to get the sound perfect, which it really was, during the psychedelic warlords soundcheck, it was extremely painful to watch this idiot come in, chew her out, threaten her, then step in and totally destroy the sound. i can remember it happening. the devastation of sound quality occurred just as if someone had thrown a light switch. rj From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Nov 6 13:56:33 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:56:33 -0600 Subject: OFF:Veruca Salt/Savatge Message-ID: JS>Well, they sound NOTHING like BOC/tBS/Hawkwind, nor Y&T or Savatage... Theo>wow, BOC and Y&T in the same sentence! now if you'd only managed to give King's X a name check, I'd've had to credit you with supremely good taste! as it is I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;-> Howls Theo! Thanks so much for brightening me up. I've been sick for a few days and I'm just getting back. John is so understated and self effacing, I bet he can play most of Doug's songs by ear. Come on John fess up, you know you can. JS>My suspicion is that most BOC fans will not get particularly excited about Veruca Salt, although if you like a heavy guitar sound, this might appeal to you. Oh yeah, I kind of think of Veruca Salt as being sort of a grungy version of the Go-Go's or the Bangles. Lately, I'm listening more and more to female singers than male singers it seems. I wouldn't imagine most BOC'ers would either, but ya never know. Take me I'm like Eyes Bloom, I tend to like some Stone Temple Pilots music and that must really put me in the minority. One day you may get a chance to hear some Velvet Hammer, all female band. If these ladies ever catch a break they will be like nothing you've ever heard before. I have a live CD the band did and man can these ladies play and sing. Mr. Ola>Sorry to bother all of you with this... I remember reading something by someone who seemed like a Savatage enthousiast on this list. Where are you and what is your name? I've been an avid rock fan for 20 years, but I've never heard Savatage. Probably because their album covers make me think of Manowar (!) and such bands. Anyway, I've heard/read some great things about them lately and I'd like to find out more. Which Savatage album should I check out first? Hello Mr. Ola, you thinking about some Savatage eh. Well depends on your taste as there is a distinct beginning, middle and current flavor to this band. Current is by far the best. As some pointed out they are cast in the Progressive Metal category, not much like a Dream Theater or Shadow Gallery, the music can be a bit complex becuase its more like combining Heavy Metal with Classical music. This band has a Big Sound. Now real early Savatage (Power of Night, Sirens and stuff like that) probably does sound a lot like Manowar and assorted metal monsters. They were loud, fast and loud. Have never heard Hall of the Mountain King but starting with Gutter Ballet you can hear the progressive stuff creeping into their sounds. Streets is much the same way. These two feature Jon Oliva on vox. Jon does most of the writing, plays keys and does some guitar work for the band. Sounds a bit like Alice Cooper with his vox. Starting with Edge of Thorns (Brilliant CD!) they brought Zak in to do vocals. He's a great vocalist and could probably kick big booty with BOC's music. Lots of range and power in his voice. Thorns is harder and edgier than Handful of Rain which has even more of that big orchestra sound. For my money (not counting the new one which is only in Europe at this point, Lucky Ducks) you should start with Dead Winter Dead. Concept album and it is brilliant. This is Savatage at their absolute best. OK recap, don't think you can go wrong with everything from Gutter Ballet going forward, just prepare yourself for the gradual change (metal to progressive) and quantum leap in vocal quality (Oliva to Zak). Hope that helps. L8er lil ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but the one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome OBCD: Triumph - Just A Game From micci at SCI.FI Thu Nov 6 14:13:57 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:13:57 +0200 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: >Hi Miikka! > >The tape will be sent tomorrow, it?s the one from Strange daze, USA in >august. >You?ll like it, I promise. > >Take care > >Henrik Hi! Thanks!! > >btw. have you bought Krel?s CD "Ad Astra"? > Well, I order it from local record store. Hope that I get it, if not I take it from c&d. Saturday I go to watch Dark Sun :-) Santtu tell me that they have new songs and we gonna hear some HW too! Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Nov 6 13:43:08 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:43:08 -0700 Subject: OFF: DIGEST problems, Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Daniel wrote: > I've tried several times in the past to stimulate (ho ho :-) someone to > at least ask me a single little tiny tiny Q about this band... but not > a single person seems on BOC-l seems to be interested in Swedish garagebands Hey, not so fast. I've been a Nomads fan for years. They just did a swing through US west coast last week, and played at the sold out Garage Shock fest in Bellingham WA. I couldn't go due to a broken arm, but my friend said they were awesome I would recommend to anyone the _Showdown!_ CD on Sympathy For the Record Industry. Also "Raw and Rare" on Estrus has has some of their obscure singles, but no BOC songs unfortunately. Some other cool 80's-era Swedish bands are Leather Nun, Shoutless, Wilmer X, and Union Carbide Productions. - Chris "I've been drinking too much and I'm going insane" - Shoutless From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 6 16:24:39 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:24:39 -0500 Subject: OFF:Veruca Salt/Savatge Message-ID: >John is so understated and self effacing, I bet he can play most of Doug's songs by ear. Come on John fess up, you know you can. O.K., I'll fess up - not even close! My bass skills are pretty basic, due to hardly ever getting a chance to practice. I can play along with many BOC and tBS songs - although I can't play all the complicated stuff note for note - but I can at least sound somewhat "musical". And I can whack on an open E-String with the best of 'em... :-) Oh, and I can play parts of "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap :-) John From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 6 16:54:36 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:54:36 EST Subject: OFF: DIGEST problems, Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Holy Shit...I just moved from Bellingham Wa...would have loved to catch the dizbusters, I've been to garage shock at Bucks (3Bs) about 3 times. Wow, my timing sux.... Briz From kg at THING.DE Thu Nov 6 19:44:12 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:44:12 +0100 Subject: Calvert HUGE Newspaper article Message-ID: hi again, I've just seen the article on Mr. Calvert online: "Testpilot in Dataspace" - and its a HUGE article. (still in German only....) anyway, its here: http://www.taz.de/~taz/971107.taz/ku_T971107.167.html very well written....enjoy... knut From kg at THING.DE Thu Nov 6 19:49:41 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:49:41 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article Message-ID: Subject: Re: Calvert Newspaper article Hi, Henrik H. wrote btw. I?ve just checked your own update and I?m amazed of course, interesting piece about Barney Bubbles. And what about all these cool pics that?s on the site, are you creating them yourself or...? yep, all handmade at home....thats just one reason why the last updates took a while, but I guess the collages are worth it and make the reading more enjoyable - besides,its a good way to teach oneself a few new tools... I'll put up the newspaper article soon as an annex to my site - if I find the time I'll translate it - its really a good one - focussing on Calvert's AND Hawkwind's innovative aspects - being the forerunners of the tribal rhythms - Calvert's focus on new technologies etc. best, knut From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 6 20:43:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:43:40 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article In-Reply-To: <346265A5.D6D454F7@thing.de> Message-ID: At 01:49 07/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >yep, all handmade at home....thats just one reason why the last updates >took a while, but I guess the collages are worth it and make the reading >more enjoyable - besides,its a good way to teach oneself a few new >tools... The manipulated pix are cool - spruces up an already lively site.... >being the forerunners of >the tribal rhythms - Calvert's focus on new technologies etc. Ka-chunga-tikka-takka. >best, >knut > > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 7 04:45:43 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:45:43 +0000 Subject: HW:Sale Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > > I just wanted to let everyone know that Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes > is trying to raise money to replace his worn out synthesizer and he is > selling some of his massive music collection. He will sell his complete HW > collection, which includes all the lps from the 70's, some ep's, boot lps, > etc.. as well as a complete Peter Hammill-VDGG set of 40 lps in a box that > was used by Peter Hamill himself. He is also selling some synth equipment. > I will post more details soon. If you have his phone number you can give > him a call. 718-723-1662 (NYC) > Guys - buy his stuff, and help him out. Doug's a top bloke, really friendly to me at Coney Island High, despite my almost complete inability to articulate basic English. Cheers, Rich. ObCD: Slade - Play it Loud From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 7 06:30:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:30:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971106185209.006b72ac@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971106185209.006b72ac at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >The best gig on this tour was the longest gig HAWKWIND have ever played. It >was the 140 minutes gig in ATHEN (Greece) with a couple of outstanding >mega-long songs!!!!!! How long was Stonehenge '84 then? OK, I was somewhat inebriated, it had been nearly four weeks on site before the show on Solstice night BUT it was definately daylight when they started, my guess around 8 o'clock. They took a couple of breaks during the night, Cardiacs doing a show around 2 I'll guess. I know for a fact that when the sun come up over the heel stone, I was standing in the middle of the Stones watching the sunrise, and the Hawks were playing Psychedelic Warlords. I thought it was around 10 by the time they finished, making the whole effort something around 14 hours. This is probably way out, I was in another world that night but it was daylight when they started and daylight when they finished, including breaks. I did miss a few chunks of the set because I was talking to one of the dancers (the ones in white on the Do Not Panic sleeve) and we were getting on "quite well". Alice, her name was. Anyone else there? Anyone remember how long they played for? Anyone remember anything? It's all a bit a blur now.... -- Jon Browne From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Nov 7 07:31:24 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:31:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > How long was Stonehenge '84 then? Afraid I can't help you with your questions. > I know for a fact that when the sun come up over > the heel stone, I was standing in the middle of the Stones watching the > sunrise, and the Hawks were playing Psychedelic Warlords. This would qualify as a religious experience. > I did miss a few chunks of the set > because I was talking to one of the dancers (the ones in white on the Do > Not Panic sleeve) I have the Anagram CD of _Do Not Panic_, and the booklet is pretty sparse - one band picture, I think. Is the Griffin CD any better in this respect? MWood From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 7 08:38:36 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:38:36 GMT Subject: OFF: paging Mike W... Message-ID: Could you email me your snailmail address so that I can send the Guildford tape? Cheers FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 7 10:54:51 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:54:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: DIGEST problems, Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Chris writes; >Hey, not so fast. Not so fast? Are two years too fast? :-) (... but, OK - I'll take it easier next time ;-) > I've been a Nomads fan for years. They just did a swing >through US west coast last week, I didn't know that. >and played at the sold out Garage Shock fest in Bellingham WA. I couldn't >go due to a broken arm, but my friend >said they were awesome > >I would recommend to anyone the _Showdown!_ CD on Sympathy For the Record >Industry. Also "Raw and Rare" on Estrus has >has some of their obscure singles, but no BOC songs unfortunately. I'm not sure, but I think TatSoL is the only BOC song they've recorded. But, they're one of very few bands I ever heard mention BOC (BOC in the '70s) as a strong influence on their music. > >Some other cool 80's-era Swedish bands are Leather Nun, Shoutless, Wilmer >X, and Union Carbide Productions. I'm impressed! You're a educated man Chris! ...and I must admit I've never heard of a band called Shoutless... who are/were they? Both Union Carbide Productions and Leather Nun (or L?der Nunnan) rocked! Some ex-members of UCP are playing together again in a band called Soundtrack of our Lives - worth to check out. Blue for Two is another cool Swedish band from the '80s... they played some kind of strange narco-rock... or something... mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 7 10:16:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:16:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Do Not Panic In-Reply-To: <34630A1C.1305@agile.com> Message-ID: In article <34630A1C.1305 at agile.com>, Marshall Wood writes >> I know for a fact that when the sun come up over >> the heel stone, I was standing in the middle of the Stones watching the >> sunrise, and the Hawks were playing Psychedelic Warlords. > >This would qualify as a religious experience. Oh yes, Without Irony. Unequivocally. It is up there with the birth of my kids etc. The Big Mexican Fungus bought from a guy dressed as a witch, straight from the demi-john in which they grew, might have added a slightly sacramental aspect to the evening's events. The last 13 years have been a bit of an anti-climax, really :) > >> I did miss a few chunks of the set >> because I was talking to one of the dancers (the ones in white on the Do >> Not Panic sleeve) > >I have the Anagram CD of _Do Not Panic_, and the booklet is pretty >sparse - one band picture, I think. Is the Griffin CD any better in >this respect? I've only the vinyl, so i don't know. There's 4 pix on that that, AFAIK -- Jon Browne From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Nov 7 12:58:34 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:58:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Daniel writes (>) as a reply to my mail (>>)... >>Yes, I have a copy of it. The B-side is a track called *Out of the Frying >>Pan Into the Fire*, a VERY BOC-esque (so to speak) song, and very good >>too. >"Out of the frying pan into the fire" - is that a set phrase in English? >I'm thinking of a possible Deep Purple connection here... >though it sounds unlikely... Perhaps somebody whose mother tongue is English can help us out with the phrase. I don't think there's any Purple connection here. >>Recently, the Nomads released a mini album of covers of obscure Canadian >>(!) punk bands called *The Cold Hard Facts of Life*. It's good but not >>excellent. >I've seen it several times but never listened to it. >One would really like to know why they choosed to play covers of _Canadian_ >bands... funny theme of a album. Well, the Nomads love to find songs by obscure bands to cover. And they do it very well. I guess it is also a way of bringing attention to people who deserved some but never got any. >>I'va also found a single featuring two Holland/Dozier/Holland >>songs, one of which is *Leaving Here*, immortalized by Motorhead in the >>seventies. >Holland? I don't know much 'bout Motorhead... but of course I've heard (I >own it on CD) "Leaving Here"... is it a Pink Faires composition? >(Looks like I haven't done my homework properly). Leaving Here is a Holland/Dozier/Holland composition, a very succesful team of songwriters active in the fifties and sixties I think. I don't actually remember who first recorded Leaving Here, but I'm quite sure that the Fairies never did. Actually, the Nomads also did an acoustic rockabilly version of the song *Motorhead* (by I.F. Kilmister, of course) on an obscure compilation cassette (!) in the eighties. That track is also available on the *Showdown* compilation. >>You didn't by >>any chance record the Motorhead gig from the Cirkus in Stockholm, March >>18 - 1997? I would love to have a copy of that! >I'm afraid I didn't. But I've heard it. Wasn't the show broadcasted sometime >this fall? If it was... I think I know a person on BOC-l who might have >it. Scott Heller was kindly offered to get me a copy! Great! Cheers, Ola From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Fri Nov 7 12:13:15 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:13:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters In-Reply-To: <199711071702.RAA19828@mn1.swip.net> Message-ID: Ola Nyberg writes: >>"Out of the frying pan into the fire" - is that a set phrase in English? >>I'm thinking of a possible Deep Purple connection here... >>though it sounds unlikely... > >Perhaps somebody whose mother tongue is English can help us out with the >phrase. I don't think there's any Purple connection here. It's a saying, which denotes going from one situation that's bad to another one that's even worse. Fairly common. From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Nov 7 12:43:32 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:43:32 +0100 Subject: off:krel Message-ID: Miikka Wagner wrote: > >Hi Miikka! > > > >The tape will be sent tomorrow, it?s the one from Strange daze, USA in > >august. > >You?ll like it, I promise. > > > >Take care > > > >Henrik > > Hi! > > Thanks!! > > > > >btw. have you bought Krel?s CD "Ad Astra"? > > > > Well, I order it from local record store. Hope that I get it, if not I take > it from c&d. > > Saturday I go to watch Dark Sun :-) > Santtu tell me that they have new songs and we gonna hear some HW too! Santtu told me and I?m really sorry that I can?t make this weekend to Helsinki, but in the future I?ll be there. Please let me know about the gig please! Take care Henrik > > > > Miikka Wagner > email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. > (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > -SPACEHEAD- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 7 12:07:40 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:07:40 EDT Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: > From: Ola Nyberg > > >"Out of the frying pan into the fire" - is that a set phrase in English? > >I'm thinking of a possible Deep Purple connection here... > >though it sounds unlikely... > > Perhaps somebody whose mother tongue is English can help us out with the > phrase. I don't think there's any Purple connection here. > It essentially means that you've gone from a bad situation to a worse one... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 7 14:58:57 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:58:57 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >Hey, no "new HW album" syndrome with this baby! What a belter! > >Fuckin' nice one guys! An instant classic! Well, I got it this afternoon and its playing on the system now - currently at Wheels on first play through. I'll readily admit its difficult to judge an album the first time you hear it but it does strike me as a bit of a mixed bag. Echoes of Astounding Sounds, White Zone and Xenon Codex. However, its definitely streets ahead of A4 and IITBOTFTBD (bastard of an acronym!) but might have trouble beating Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by you lot? Mark From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Fri Nov 7 15:16:26 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:16:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: Pork tree u.s.? Message-ID: Has Pork tree ever been on tour in to the u.s. ? Is Nik Turner ever comming back to Portland, Oregon, (u.s.)? Nikenpork... Porkenniker... Porkherniker... Nikmypork... Zap, Baron __________________.__ _.. . . . The dark matter will be discovered, then the jigsaw puzzle will start to fall into place. __________________.__ _.. . . . spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ __________________.__ _.. . . . From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Fri Nov 7 13:38:21 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:38:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Alan Davey, Lemm Message-ID: Bernhard (>) wrote: >Hello Ola >>I just remembered something I must have read in a HWFB newsletter or >>perhaps in some issue of HF: A few years back HW did a tour (in Europe, I >>think) without Dave Brock (he was knackered or something). Yes, I know, >>it sounds unbelievable, HW without Commander Brock! They were a >>three-piece and some dude replaced Dave on guitar (and vocals?). >The guy's name who replaced DAVE BROCK on the European Tour from 12.03.1991 >- 10.04.1991 is STEVE BEMAND. >He is an old friend from RICHARD CHADWICK. Played with him in a band called >SMART PILS >STEVE played on this tour guitar and was singing only OUT OF THE SHADOWS. >His guitar playing wasn't as good as DAVE BROCKS playing but he did a good >job especially on BACK IN THE BOX (he played the USA anthem) I'm impressed! There's a lot of knowledge out there in Hawkverse, that's for sure! And my friends think I'm crazy about dates and details... Thanks, I'd totally forgotten the guy's name. What do you mean by the "USA anthem"? Was _Back in the Box_ a USA anthem or what...? >I've seen HAWKWIND on this tour 4 times and I enjoyed every gig very close >to the stage. >The best gig on this tour was the longest gig HAWKWIND have ever played. It >was the 140 minutes gig in ATHEN (Greece) with a couple of outstanding >mega-long songs!!!!!! Is Hawkwind without the last founding member really Hawkwind? I can imagine that the shows were good even without Dave, but isn't it a bit like Motorhead without Lemmy? >>Was this guitarist by any chance Jerry Richards? >No. JERRY RICHARDS played with HAWKWIND (HAWKDOG) for the 1st time in >autumn 1988. Once again, hats off! >His very 1st HAWKWIND gig was the ISLE OF MAN FESTIVAL on 07.06.1995 You said it. >I AM STILL LOOKING FOR A TAPE FROM THIS GIG. Anybody out there who's got it??? Not me, I don't have a lot of HW live tapes. Any good suggestions? Are the WEIRD tapes worth getting? I know some of it is available on record. >>Can the man sing? >Not very good >>(How could anyone replace Dave on a song like the Golden Void? >Alan and Bridgett were singing GOLDEN VOID Yes, I know (Bridgett on the Live Legends video, for example). I must say that Alan never has been and probably never will be a good singer. Sure, it sounds OK, when it's half-way drowned by swooshing (interesting adjective there...) synths and stuff, but he just can't do any justice to a track like _Golden Void_. I've heard him do it once in Sweden, and it wasn't that great. Actually, he did almost all the vocals at the Uppsala gig (must have been in 1991). Some roadie (!) sang the opening track (_Needle Gun_) and it was a sacrilege... Then Alan sang almost all tunes, apart from _Out of the Sadows_, I think. It was funny, because Alan kept looking at Dave when the vocal part of a song that was usually sung by Dave was about to start, and when it was clear to Alan that Dave wasn't going to step up to the microphone, Alan started singing it. I was pretty disappointed that night.... Dave must have had a sore throat or something. Luckily, the Stockholm gig was excellent with all the Brock vocals in place. Don't get me wrong here, I think Alan was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Hawks after Lemmy's departure. In fact, he was the perfect replacement for Lemmy, and at the same time an injection of fresh blood into Spaceship Hawkwind. Face it, the 1981-1983 stuff was below par. Alan brought the drive back into Hawkwind. *Lemmy* once said (during an interview I did in 1989, in fact) that replacing him with *Paul Rudolph* was like replacing Bob Seger with Luke Goss (from Bros, yuk!). A bit exaggerated, perhaps, but very illustrating... We all know that Alan sang all the Calvert tunes. My opinion is that it was nice to hear some Calvert stuff again, but Alan didn't really do them any justice. HOWEVER, Ron definitely does! I have often thought of the fact that the following past or present HawkCrew members have similar looks/styles: Alan Davey - Lemmy (playing style) Simon King - Richard Chadwick (playing style and looks) Bob Calvert - Ron Tree (vocal style) Do any HawkFreaks out there agree with me? And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? Cheers, Ola From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 7 17:36:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:36:19 +0100 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:58 07/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > However, its definitely streets ahead of A4 and >IITBOTFTBD (bastard of an acronym!) but might have trouble beating >Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by >you lot? > >Mark Electric Tepee is an AWESOME album. Rates in my all time top 3 of any record. Don't know why it's not talked about much, I think it's pretty underrated. Dave's ecstatic and heavy guitar noodling, Davey's much more prominent/heavy bass and the out of this world synth textures... I always thought Chadwick's drums were a little flat/canned sounding in a way. But just the driving/ psychey/spacey-ness of the music on ET.... Of latter day albums only Xenon Codex comes near, but it has a few throwaways in comparison. I thought Biz Trip was great, but not IITFTBD, which I still think is crap. Alien 4 and LiS i find so lame at times even if I occasionally try to listen to them (why am I the only one who likes Beam Me Up huh?). Well, ok, Alien 4 is okay but why they even bothered doing Love In Space is beyond me.... Christian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Nov 7 17:48:36 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:48:36 -0800 Subject: OFF: Subscription proceedure? Message-ID: Can someone send me the proceedure for signing up to this list? I have to make an address change, and I have forgotten what to do. Thanks! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 7 18:22:34 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:22:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Alan Davey, Lemm In-Reply-To: <199711072017.UAA22203@mn1.swip.net> Message-ID: At 19:38 07/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Bernhard (>) wrote: >>Hello Ola > >>>I just remembered something I must have read in a HWFB newsletter or >>>perhaps in some issue of HF: A few years back HW did a tour (in Europe, >I >>>think) without Dave Brock (he was knackered or something). Yes, I know, >>>it sounds unbelievable, HW without Commander Brock! They were a >>>three-piece and some dude replaced Dave on guitar (and vocals?). > >>The guy's name who replaced DAVE BROCK on the European Tour from >12.03.1991 >>- 10.04.1991 is STEVE BEMAND. >>He is an old friend from RICHARD CHADWICK. Played with him in a band >called >>SMART PILS >>STEVE played on this tour guitar and was singing only OUT OF THE >SHADOWS. >>His guitar playing wasn't as good as DAVE BROCKS playing but he did a >good >>job especially on BACK IN THE BOX (he played the USA anthem) > >I'm impressed! There's a lot of knowledge out there in Hawkverse, that's >for sure! And my friends think I'm crazy about dates and details... >Thanks, I'd totally forgotten the guy's name. What do you mean by the >"USA anthem"? Was _Back in the Box_ a USA anthem or what...? > >>I've seen HAWKWIND on this tour 4 times and I enjoyed every gig very >close >>to the stage. >>The best gig on this tour was the longest gig HAWKWIND have ever played. >It >>was the 140 minutes gig in ATHEN (Greece) with a couple of outstanding >>mega-long songs!!!!!! > >Is Hawkwind without the last founding member really Hawkwind? I can >imagine that the shows were good even without Dave, but isn't it a bit >like Motorhead without Lemmy? > >>>Was this guitarist by any chance Jerry Richards? > >>No. JERRY RICHARDS played with HAWKWIND (HAWKDOG) for the 1st time in >>autumn 1988. > >Once again, hats off! > >>His very 1st HAWKWIND gig was the ISLE OF MAN FESTIVAL on 07.06.1995 > >You said it. > >>I AM STILL LOOKING FOR A TAPE FROM THIS GIG. Anybody out there who's got >it??? > >Not me, I don't have a lot of HW live tapes. Any good suggestions? Are >the WEIRD tapes worth getting? I know some of it is available on record. > >>>Can the man sing? > >>Not very good > >>>(How could anyone replace Dave on a song like the Golden Void? > >>Alan and Bridgett were singing GOLDEN VOID > >Yes, I know (Bridgett on the Live Legends video, for example). I must say >that Alan never has been and probably never will be a good singer. Hmm, I quite disagree. Alan's voice has a great punk edge, for instance his Hassan I Sahba/Damnation Alley etc. (much of the California Brainstorm actually as well) are IMO great stuff. Gave the power trio line up a cool edge. > >Don't get me wrong here, I think Alan was probably the best thing that >ever happened to the Hawks after Lemmy's departure. In fact, he was the >perfect replacement for Lemmy, and at the same time an injection of fresh >blood into Spaceship Hawkwind. Face it, the 1981-1983 stuff was below >par. Alan brought the drive back into Hawkwind. Well, I thought Bainbridge played a cool bass (no matter what Ginger Baker might have had to say about it!!!!). Not to mention the Levitation, Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques had some great driving tracks. >*Lemmy* once said (during an interview I did in 1989, in fact) that >replacing him with *Paul Rudolph* was like replacing Bob Seger with Luke >Goss (from Bros, yuk!). A bit exaggerated, perhaps, but very >illustrating... Ah well, something different. That's what I liked about the late 70's Calvert-era (Quark/PXR5/Hawklords, not as much Astounding which was sort of transitory) was the sudden forward shift to a sort of "cybernetic" sound and a cool, streamlined New Wave-ness. I liked Rudolph/Shaw's bass - different, yeah, but that's the way to do it, move on instead of trying to recapture "the old days" etc. Sure Davey is/was a great bassist, and indeed he's quite influenced by Lemmy. Speaking of, I can't help but feel Lemmy's bass sound owes something to Dave Anderson. Just Master Of The Universe on XISOS sounds like Lemmy. Also Anderson's bass on Calvert's Test Tube Conceived album (like the opening track) also have that heavy, yet rhythmic lumbering sound. > >We all know that Alan sang all the Calvert tunes. My opinion is that it >was nice to hear some Calvert stuff again, but Alan didn't really do them >any justice. HOWEVER, Ron definitely does! I really don't like Ron's vocals so much... I though quite the opposite. Of course Ron is a great showman, but IMO not much else (his lyrics are godawful!!!). >I have often thought of the fact that the following past or present >HawkCrew members have similar looks/styles: > >Alan Davey - Lemmy (playing style) >Simon King - Richard Chadwick (playing style and looks) Dunno why I feel Chadwick's drumming sounds so canned. He's got more range than Danny "look ma, no hand!" Thompson. Yeah Chadwick does kinda look like King though. >Bob Calvert - Ron Tree (vocal style) A very pale imitation! > >Do any HawkFreaks out there agree with me? >And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style >is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? He seems much heavier/modern as far as style goes but I couldn't say. Not so spacey but but really jammin. So far I like what I heard of the Strange Daze vid alot, at least the new tunes. Tree's bass sounds like, um, well, I might be able to do (even though I never played any instruments!!!) Still, Ron puts on a good zany act. Quite an "energetic" fellow %^)~ Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 8 02:08:02 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:08:02 +1100 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: christian To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, 8 November 1997 09:40 Subject: Re: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! >Electric Tepee is an AWESOME album. Rates in my all time top 3 of any record. I agree wholeheartedly.... >Don't know why it's not talked about much, I think it's pretty underrated. >Dave's ecstatic and heavy guitar noodling, Davey's much more prominent/heavy >bass and the out of this world synth textures... I always thought Chadwick's >drums were a little flat/canned sounding in a way. I can't remember Chadwick's drumming on this album, but while on the subject of his drumming, I'd say that his drumming on the RealAudio Manchester gig is darn fantastic, perhaps some of the best drumming I've heard in HW for ages... > But just the driving/ >psychey/spacey-ness of the music on ET.... Of latter day albums only Xenon >Codex comes near, but it has a few throwaways in comparison. For some reason, I find Xenon perhaps my least favorite HW album - it's the one that I never listen to at all, though every now and then I see it and go "wow - I haven't listened to that for ages" and when I listen to it I think "oh yes, I remember why now...". >I thought Biz Trip was great, but not IITFTBD, which I still think is crap. I guess I must be one of the few lifeforms that realy like IITBOTFTBD. I my opinion, it is the highest point of their "synth period", which started at about Xenon and has gone to more or less Alien4. >Alien 4 and LiS i find so lame at times even if I occasionally try to listen >to them (why am I the only one who likes Beam Me Up huh?). Well, ok, Alien 4 >is okay but why they even bothered doing Love In Space is beyond me.... I think it was the concept of Alien4 that saved it for me - if it were a collection of unrelated songs dealing with different things in each, I'd probably not have liked it that much. I guess I'm just one of those people who has a thing for concept albums... Max Wilcox From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Nov 7 10:56:44 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:56:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:30 07.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >How long was Stonehenge '84 then? Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84 Wed 110 min Stonehenge Festival 21.06.84 Thu 55 min Stonehenge Festival 22.06.84 Fri 70 min Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 8 04:13:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:13:52 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by >you lot? > >Mark Oh it comes up every now and then. I reckon DH is the best album since ET which is the best of the '90's. Succinct enough? :0 ) -- Jon From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Nov 8 01:23:53 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:23:53 -0800 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! Message-ID: ---------- > From: Chris Warburton > To: > >> All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can > >> anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I > >> may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Other CDs I > > > >They were a good band once. > > > And still are (cf. Andy's & my comments on the Shepherd's Bush gig) > > ChrisW I recently found a bunch of these Griffins also: Stonehenge, This is HW, Levitation, Mighty HW Classic, House-Yassassim, the Man album, um...Intake/Outtake, Warrior, maybe some others I've forgotten... They are either $3.99 or $5.99. If any one needs copies, e-mail me... Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 8 10:57:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:57:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jessamine Message-ID: Hey, just got the Another Fictionalized History CD, collecting freaky odds'n'ends of this spacey US band. The best stuff here is the incredible Cosmic Jokers and early Tangerine Dream-ish cosmic monstrosities full of drippy analog synth, droning, massive, liquid pulse rayguns carving a new frontier thru the very stratophere of the super concious!!!!!! Ahem... uh, anyway, I suggest anyone who likes brilliant, inspired, awesome, psychedelic spacerock let this band blaze them a few new synaptic trails... It also has a great cover of Suicide's awesome "Cheree", but really, that's the most conventional stuff there!! Also, I advise any DXM cosmonauts to take this CD with them when zipping up their alien cocoons as they fold thru liquid space. PS: any synth experts out there? I think I've GROK'ed what a KORG sounds like but would like to find out more about synths. This awesome analog equipment fascinates the hell outta me. Christian ObOb: Your head is so small it's like a little light - soon the world of fashion will take an interest in these proceedings. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 8 10:08:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:08:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971107165644.006aef90@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971107165644.006aef90 at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >At 11:30 07.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >>How long was Stonehenge '84 then? > >Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84 Wed 110 min >Stonehenge Festival 21.06.84 Thu 55 min >Stonehenge Festival 22.06.84 Fri 70 min > > > >Bernhard Really? Did they do some extra length jam with only a few members afterward or something? Like I said, a) I was off my cake b) I was otherwise distracted talking to a nice young lady and c) was aware that at least one other band came on i.e. Cardiacs and did a show at sometime during the night, but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic Warlords was being played at sunrise. I'm also 100% it was daylight at the beginning. I'm specifically talking about the Solstice night show, I guess that must have the 20/21 Wed Evening/Thursday Morning. I can't have been the only person on this list at this show. Anyone else remember that night? Naturally, I will bow to your greater knowledge, Bernhard, but this is very different to my recollection of one of my peak experiences. Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any part/s of HW come on and play? I thought they were just taking breaks every couple of hours. Boy If I got this one wrong, then I can't trust my memories of the mid-eighties at all! -- Jon Browne OBCd - DJ Shadow - Endtroducing From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Nov 8 10:48:00 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:48:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Alan Davey, Lemm In-Reply-To: <199711072017.UAA22203@mn1.swip.net> Message-ID: Hi there Ola At 19:38 07.11.97 +0100, you wrote: >And my friends think I'm crazy about dates and details... No, you are not. If you need some more informations please let me know. I'll help if possible >Thanks, I'd totally forgotten the guy's name. What do you mean by the >"USA anthem"? Was _Back in the Box_ a USA anthem or what...? No. BACK IN THE BOX is a track from the PALACE SPRINGS album. On this European tour they did a lot of jamming during this song. And this jamming included a guitar part, playing the US anthem. >Is Hawkwind without the last founding member really Hawkwind? I agree with you. But they did a good job. Of course Dave Brock would have made it better. He is the main force behind HAWKWIND >Are the WEIRD tapes worth getting? Yes they are. >he (A.Davey) did almost all the vocals at the Uppsala gig (must have >been in 1991). It was on 02.10.1991 Thanks for the short review of this gig! >I have often thought of the fact that the following past or present >HawkCrew members have similar looks/styles: >Alan Davey - Lemmy (playing style) I agree >Simon King - Richard Chadwick (playing style and looks) I do not agree. Richard is better >Bob Calvert - Ron Tree (vocal style) I agree >And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style >is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? No. He plays the guitar more like Huw LL but not as fast and more smooth cheers Bernhard From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 8 11:47:45 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:47:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Alan Davey, Lemm Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, 9 November 1997 03:55 Subject: Re: HW: Jerry Richards, Alan Davey, Lemm >>And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style >>is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? >No. He plays the guitar more like Huw LL but not as fast and more smooth I've noticed some similarities with his playing and Helios Creed's. Or maybe my ears have gone a bit funny.... - Max Wilcox From kg at THING.DE Sat Nov 8 13:50:55 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:50:55 +0100 Subject: Calvert Homepage Update Message-ID: hi, the homepage of the Calvert web has been updated - check at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future best, knut From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 8 13:54:44 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:54:44 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: <97SA2CAQ1CZ0Ewky@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:13 08/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article , Mark Edmonds > writes >>Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by you lot? >> >>Mark > >Oh it comes up every now and then. I reckon DH is the best album since ET which is the best of the '90's. Succinct enough? :0 ) >-- >Jon > Well, as is so often the case for the Hawks atthe moment, DH provided my DIY soundtrack (bathroom ceiling) this afternoon - a thumbs up on the whole. I'm certainly encouraged to investigate more of their "modern" output (I'm a "UA Years" hack). It definitely ROCKS! ChrisW ObCD: "the best...album in the world ever" vol 2. - Better than most of you would probably expect. Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone & fax: 0181 668 4946 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 8 14:38:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (christian) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:38:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jessamine Message-ID: Hey, just got the Another Fictionalized History CD, collecting freaky odds'n'ends of this spacey US band. The best stuff here is the incredible Cosmic Jokers and early Tangerine Dream-ish cosmic monstrosities full of drippy analog synth, droning, massive, liquid pulse rayguns carving a new frontier thru the very stratophere of the super concious!!!!!! Ahem... uh, anyway, I suggest anyone who likes brilliant, inspired, awesome, psychedelic spacerock let this band blaze them a few new synaptic trails... It also has a great cover of Suicide's awesome "Cheree", but really, that's the most conventional stuff there!! Also, I advise any DXM cosmonauts to take this CD with them when zipping up their alien cocoons to fold thru liquid space. PS: any synth experts out there? I think I've GROK'ed what a KORG sounds like but would like to find out more about synths. This awesome analog equipment fascinates the hell outta me. Christian ObOb: Your head is so small it's like a little light - soon the world of fashion will take an interest in these proceedings. From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 8 12:15:44 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:15:44 -0700 Subject: HW: Griffin Releases in Bargain Bins! Message-ID: herbert rosenberg wrote: > ---------- > > From: Chris Warburton > > To: > > >> All on Griffin. I have all of those except the Man CD. Can > > >> anyone recommend it? Unless someone tells me it is terrible, I > > >> may just buy it next time I'm in the 2-for-1 store. Other CDs I > > > > > >They were a good band once. > > > > > And still are (cf. Andy's & my comments on the Shepherd's Bush gig) > > > > ChrisW > > I recently found a bunch of these Griffins also: Stonehenge, This is HW, > Levitation, Mighty HW Classic, House-Yassassim, the Man album, > um...Intake/Outtake, Warrior, maybe some others I've forgotten... They are > either $3.99 or $5.99. If any one needs copies, e-mail me... > > Charlie I'm interested in Simon House-Yassassim-and any other Spiral Realms that are there-Couldja look & let us know what else?Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool sorry folks, none of my posts are showing up here. Can someone tell me what my last post was? thanks. Weird. Christian From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Nov 8 17:05:04 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:05:04 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: >At 19:58 07/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >> However, its definitely streets ahead of A4 and >>IITBOTFTBD (bastard of an acronym!) but might have trouble beating >>Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by >>you lot? >> >>Mark > > >Electric Tepee is an AWESOME album. Rates in my all time top 3 of any record. >Don't know why it's not talked about much, I think it's pretty underrated. >Dave's ecstatic and heavy guitar noodling, Davey's much more prominent/heavy >bass and the out of this world synth textures... I always thought Chadwick's >drums were a little flat/canned sounding in a way. But just the driving/ >psychey/spacey-ness of the music on ET.... Of latter day albums only Xenon >Codex comes near, but it has a few throwaways in comparison. > >I thought Biz Trip was great, but not IITFTBD, which I still think is crap. >Alien 4 and LiS i find so lame at times even if I occasionally try to listen >to them (why am I the only one who likes Beam Me Up huh?). Well, ok, Alien 4 >is okay but why they even bothered doing Love In Space is beyond me.... > The problem with albums like Electric Tepe, It Is The Business... and Alien 4 is that they are too long, there are plenty of songs that could be 'classics' but they fall together with all the crap that comes with them on these albums. There are more albums suffering from the same disease, Rush - Counterparts and Test For Echo, David Bowie - outside, Yes - Union etc etc. I'm not a vinyl-nostalgic but the time-limits within that format were definitly healthy, really, how many double-albums are there that does us anything good ? Lamb Lies Down...yepp, Ummagumma and Topographic Oceans - maybe, Works and The Wall...where's the dustbin ? Live albums should, of course, be as long as needed. So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since the last album, anyone agree ? Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Nov 8 18:30:27 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:30:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pork tree u.s.? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-07 15:27:47 EST, you write: << Has Pork tree ever been on tour in to the u.s. ? They played Don Hill's in NYC June 21st 1996 << Is Nik Turner ever comming back to Portland, Oregon, (u.s.)? Not anytime soon. Nik had a falling out with his US record company (Cleopatra) and they were sponsoring all of Nik's tours. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Nov 8 18:33:56 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:33:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized Message-ID: Just saw an advert for a Spiritualized show in NYC for Dec. Ive heard alot off good things but never heard them, or their music described. What's the deal? regards, Bill Stewart From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Nov 8 23:52:48 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:52:48 -0500 Subject: Jerry Richards like Huw? Message-ID: >>And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style >>is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? >No. He plays the guitar more like Huw LL but not as fast and more smooth No way! He plays nothing like Huw! True, he is a bit like Dave but... more "metal" I guess. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Nov 9 05:13:02 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:13:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jon Here are the track listings 20.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 110min ghost dance / angels of death / born to go / paranoia / watching the grass grow / dragons and fables / night of the hawks / utopia / social alliance / motorway city / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / master of the universe / ejection / uncle sam's on mars / brainstorm / sonic attack / dust of time / brainstorm / right stuff 21.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 55min instrumental / ghost dance / instrumental / only dreaming / spirit of the age / stonehenge decoded / you shouldn't do that / brainbox pollution / silver machine 22.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 70min intro / circus / you shouldn't do that / choose your masks / oh lord / right stuff / instrumental / brainstorm / master of the universe >but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic >Warlords was being played at sunrise. Are you sure that you are talking about STONEHENGE 1984 ?? I am sorry but HAWKWIND didn't play PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS in the year 1984. It was a typical song of 1981,1982 and 1983 Here is the track listing of the STONEHENGE gig in 1983: 22.06.83, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 115min intro / coded languages / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / ghost dance / angels of death / utopia / psychedelic warlords / only dreaming / motorway city / jam / silver machine / jam / brainstorm / jam / starflight / ejection / shot down in the night / master of the universe / spirit of the age / brainstorm >Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any >part/s of HW come on and play? I am not certain because I wasn't there. I have only my tapes and can see what HAWKWIND played in which year. But maybe I have not the complete tape from the 1st Festival day. Bernhard From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Nov 9 06:29:44 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:29:44 +1100 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: At 07:58 PM 7/11/97 +0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: >Well, I got it this afternoon and its playing on the system now - >currently at Wheels on first play through. I'll readily admit its >difficult to judge an album the first time you hear it but it does >strike me as a bit of a mixed bag. Echoes of Astounding Sounds, White >Zone and Xenon Codex. However, its definitely streets ahead of A4 and >IITBOTFTBD (bastard of an acronym!) but might have trouble beating >Electic Tepee - which no one seems to talk about - is ET not rated by >you lot? Well, I for one think ET is the best of the post-HLL albums. All others tended to be a little to formulaic for my taste. Troy > >Mark > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From micci at SCI.FI Sun Nov 9 08:06:43 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:06:43 +0200 Subject: off:Dark Sun Message-ID: Hi! Dark Sun was excelent. Gig was little short, but still one of the best I ever saw. Gig start was very intresting. Santtu plays moogs and that fellow who normaly play moog now play bass. Song was somekind instrumental/ambien, very good. Then they change instrumental and Santtu took his bass and play absolutely magnificent. Janne (singer) has painted his face and look like some gothig man. Also that moog player has painted his chest somekind tribal figure. There was so many new songs that I don?t even remember all (too many beers), but final was Psychedelic Warlords :-) Very good version, pure DS style. >Please let me know about the gig please! > >Take care > >Henrik > >> > >> >> >> Miikka Wagner >> email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. >> (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) >> -SPACEHEAD- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> /\|/\ >> //\|/\\ >> ______//__|__\\_____ >> \\ | // >> \\/|\// >> \/|\/ > > > >-- >========================================================== > >" Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never >the night. >In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet >my destiny" > >"At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass > >Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden > >Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / >henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se > >Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 > Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Nov 9 08:11:15 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:11:15 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article Message-ID: stalker wrote: > Subject: Re: Calvert Newspaper article > > Hi, > Henrik H. wrote > > btw. I?ve just checked your own update and I?m amazed of course, > interesting > piece about Barney Bubbles. > And what about all these cool pics that?s on the site, are you creating > them > yourself or...? > > yep, all handmade at home....thats just one reason why the last updates > took a while, but I guess the collages are worth it and make the reading > more enjoyable - besides,its a good way to teach oneself a few new > tools... That?s true, if you got the time that is! The pice were indeed great so it must have been worth the delay. > I'll put up the newspaper article soon as an annex to my site - if I > find the time I'll translate it - its really a good one - focussing on > Calvert's AND Hawkwind's innovative aspects - being the forerunners of > the tribal rhythms - Calvert's focus on new technologies etc. I did read the article and it was interesting to read although my german could be a lot better. Lucky for me that our languages are in some parts very much the same. > best, > knut Cheers Henrik -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Nov 9 08:31:02 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:31:02 +0100 Subject: off:Dark Sun Message-ID: Miikka Wagner wrote: > Hi! Cheers Miikka! > Dark Sun was excelent. Gig was little short, but still one of the best I > ever saw. Gig start was very intresting. Santtu plays moogs and that fellow > who normaly play moog now play bass. Song was somekind instrumental/ambien, > very good. Then they change instrumental and Santtu took his bass and play > absolutely magnificent. Janne (singer) has painted his face and look like > some gothig man. Also that moog player has painted his chest somekind tribal > figure. There was so many new songs that I don?t even remember all (too many > beers), but final was Psychedelic Warlords :-) Very good version, pure DS > style. > > >Please let me know about the gig please! As expected then, DS is a great band and I?m looking forward to get a tape from the gig.The compilation CD from Metamorphos will include one new song according to Santtu. I?ve ordered one copy from Ville at Metamorphos. I must make it to Helsinki next year, this weekend was not the best one for me unfortunately. A gig next spring would be great since Helsinki is a lovely "summer"-city. > All the best Henrik > >> Miikka Wagner > >> email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi > >> http://www.sci.fi/~micci > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. > >> (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > >> -SPACEHEAD- > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > >> /\|/\ > >> //\|/\\ > >> ______//__|__\\_____ > >> \\ | // > >> \\/|\// > >> \/|\/ > > > > > > > >-- > >========================================================== > > > >" Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never > >the night. > >In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet > >my destiny" > > > >"At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass > > > >Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden > > > >Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / > >henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se > > > >Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 > > > Miikka Wagner > email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. > (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) > -SPACEHEAD- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > /\|/\ > //\|/\\ > ______//__|__\\_____ > \\ | // > \\/|\// > \/|\/ -- ========================================================== " Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never the night. In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet my destiny" "At the gallows end" from Nightfall by Candlemass Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)60 173716 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Nov 9 08:55:27 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:55:27 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: > The problem with albums like Electric Tepe, It Is The Business... and Alien > 4 is that they are too long, there are plenty of songs that could be > 'classics' but they fall together with all the crap that comes with them on > these albums. There are more albums suffering from the same disease, Rush - > Counterparts and Test For Echo, David Bowie - outside, Yes - Union etc etc. > > I'm not a vinyl-nostalgic but the time-limits within that format were > definitly healthy, really, how many double-albums are there that does us > anything good ? > > Lamb Lies Down...yepp, > Ummagumma and Topographic Oceans - maybe, > Works and The Wall...where's the dustbin ? > > Live albums should, of course, be as long as needed. > > So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, > seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since > the last album, anyone agree ? > nope. i agree that some albums do end up with some 'filler.' gives me time to do what needs done. the longer the better i think. plenty of 3-4 minute tracks on the radio or mtv. what we need is quantity PLUS quality. blah blah blah. ignore me. its too early. and im distracted. rj > Kenneth > > Bishop Garden Records > Box 747 > 521 22 Falkoping > SWEDEN > Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 > bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > > The Moor > http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > > This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Nov 9 10:00:39 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:00:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screaming Dizbusters Message-ID: >>>"Out of the frying pan into the fire" >It's a saying, which denotes going from one situation that's bad to >another one that's even worse. Fairly common. Sometimes I feel so damn s t u p i d . I _know_ I could have figured that out myself... but I didn't ... oh well... we have a saying in Swedish which means exactly the same thing: "Ur askan i elden" (=Out of the ash into the fire...) Thanx anyway. I'm little bit wiser now. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Nov 9 13:19:28 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:19:28 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons in Altoona Message-ID: Concert Report: the Brain Surgeons at Sebastiano's in Altoona, PA 11/8/97 Neither drenching rain nor football traffic would keep the Brain Surgeons from visiting Altoona again this year. It was another terrific show (no surprise there!). The setlist: St. Vitus Dance Gun Medusa Needle Gun A Kiss is a Promise Laura's Plastic Swords Gimme Nothin' My Civilization I Play the Drums Dominance and Submission The Revenge of Vera Gemini Cities on Flame This is pretty much the same setlist as the previous concert in Altoona (although I would have liked to have heard Donkey Show again :-). Added to the setlist were Needle Gun and A Kiss is a Promise. I'd never heard Needle Gun before, but it was a solid straightforward rocker. I enjoyed the live version of Promise a bit more than the original...the expressive percussion really stood out, and Deb's singing was terrific. Albert drummed the club during I Play the Drums, which is always tremendously fun, particularly because the ad libbed drum lines demonstrate a certain structure...I really admire Albert's ability to avoid the complete randomness I daresay most drummers would resort to when creating percussion lines with these makeshift instruments. Following Dominance, Albert asked the audience for requests. One wag (obviously a BOC fan--he had the Saturn/Kronos symbol on the back of his jacket) called out "Revenge of Vera Gemini!" Always game for something offbeat, the band played the song! After inviting the fan up to speak the opening lines, they launched into an unrehearsed rendition of Vera Gemini, with Albert playing guitar and singing lead, Deb doing a marvelous job filling in for Patti Smith, and Peter Bohovesky playing the drums! I especially enjoyed hearing an Albert Bouchard guitar solo...thank goodness I got the whole show on tape! They wrapped things up with Cities on Flame, much to the delight of all the BOC fans in the audience. Billy Hilfiger's solos in both Cities and the end section of Dominance were just dynamite. I only wish they had managed to squeeze Red & Black into the set again (or Death Valley Nights, which was an option on the setlist, and something I've never heard the Brain Surgeons play before...Malpractise should solve that...and hey, what's with the British spelling on Malpractise anyway? But I digress...:-) So, to sum it up, it was another great performance from a band whose members always exhibit tremendous enthusiasm when they play. I suppose we should expect no less from any band featuring Albert Bouchard! Steven Tice 11/9/97 From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Nov 9 12:27:44 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:27:44 +1100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Ron Jennings To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, 10 November 1997 01:16 Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) >> I'm not a vinyl-nostalgic but the time-limits within that format were >> definitly healthy, really, how many double-albums are there that does us >> anything good ? >> >> Lamb Lies Down...yepp, >> Ummagumma and Topographic Oceans - maybe, >> Works and The Wall...where's the dustbin ? >> >> Live albums should, of course, be as long as needed. >> > >nope. i agree that some albums do end up with some 'filler.' gives me time to do >what needs done. the longer the better i think. plenty of 3-4 minute tracks on the >radio or mtv. >what we need is quantity PLUS quality. >blah blah blah. ignore me. its too early. and im distracted. >rj I for one, like long songs. Where would we be without, say Brainstorm? I have no problem listening to an album that has songs that blend into one another. That was one of the few things that I though was lacking in the Calvert until later 80s period of HW - very rigid song structures that were being used. Well, that's my opinion, anyway... - Max Wilcox From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Nov 9 13:58:48 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:58:48 -0500 Subject: Griffin Bargain Bin Stuff? Message-ID: I've gone to all the cheesy record stores in my area but I'm shocked to find that they no longer have bargain bins at all! I had been hoping to pick up Griffin Hawkwind titles for cheap, but no such luck. If there is someone on this list who would be willing to pick up copies of the Griffin issues of "Stonhenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" and "Out & Intake" I would be eternally grateful. Just send me a private message and I'll send you some money etc. Thanks! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Nov 9 10:14:19 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:14:19 +0000 Subject: Brain Surgeons in Altoona Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > really stood out, and Deb's singing was terrific. Albert drummed the > club > during I Play the Drums, which is always tremendously fun, > particularly > because the ad libbed drum lines demonstrate a certain structure...I > really > admire Albert's ability to avoid the complete randomness I daresay > most > drummers would resort to when creating percussion lines with these > makeshift > instruments. Yes indeed. From what I've heard from Albert, he likes to do a "tip o' the hat"to the tune "Topsy, Part II" by Cozy Cole--an excellent drumming intsrumental. That and "I play the Drums" is modelled loosely on "S(w)ing,S(w)ing,S(w)ing" --the excellent big band number. >Following Dominance, Albert asked the audience for requests. How cool! I wonder if this will be a regular feature of the show:) (watch all the BOC-Ler minds scrambling for a kickin' Bouchard tune for them to do) > always exhibit tremendous enthusiasm when they play. I suppose we > should > expect no less from any band featuring Albert Bouchard! Don't forget, tBS will be playing at Maxfield's in Potsdam, NY Sat. Nov. 15!! Dancing the St. Vitus Dance, Jason in Potsdam From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 9 15:07:46 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:07:46 +0000 Subject: HW : The Spice Girls Message-ID: Yep they get everywhere This months Q contains the following exchange in an interview with the five Q : Got a favourite Hawkwind album ? (Emma) Bunton : I don't think so, What were they, '70's ? Q: How about Gong ? (Mel) Chisolm : Is that an indie band ? David From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 9 16:19:27 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:19:27 +0000 Subject: HW: What would you like to hear? Message-ID: Just idle thoughts: Given that HW release a lot of live albums (no compliants there!), what would you most like to see released? Personally, I really wish there was more of the PXR5 live tracks, especially the gig which produced that killer version of Uncle Sam - the way that song swoops down, kicks into gear and soars off with that standard Hawkwind "feel good" riff is one of my favourite all time HW moments. In general though, I really wish there was more live stuff from the Calvert era. Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 9 16:22:53 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:22:53 +0000 Subject: HW: New PXR5 Message-ID: Does anyone know what is happening with the new PXR5 CD? I was wondering if it restores the original High Rise and whether there are any bonus tracks? Any release date as well? Thanks, Mark From kg at THING.DE Sun Nov 9 19:18:42 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:18:42 +0100 Subject: Brock on Calvert / addition Message-ID: hello, I've added another (amusing) quote of mr. brock on mr. calvert. to be found on the World ON Calvert page/frames http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm in-joy knut From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 9 23:34:12 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:12 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: >So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, >seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since >the last album, anyone agree ? > The problem nowadays is that artists now have to fit into a larger format because of the size CD's hold, compared to LP, otherwise they feel they are shortchanging their fans. Maybe the best way around this is to record about 45 mins. of new material, then fill up the rest of the disk with live material, old 'b' sides, etc., and credit these as 'Extra Material'. William From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sun Nov 9 23:50:49 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:50:49 -0500 Subject: tBS: Cellsum Records Message-ID: The Artist Shop's Cellsum Records page which features The Brain Surgeons has now been expanded to include a few other discs including Brain Surgeons member Peter Bohevsky, Al's brother Jim Bouchard, David Roter and Wired. David Roter has a great sense of humor that shows up in such songs as 'I Think I Slept with Jackie Kennedy Last Night.' Peter Bohevsky's sense of humor is nothing short of depraved. Those of you with a self righteous attitude will want to burn it. Of course, you'll have to buy it before you can burn it ;-) . Jim Bouchard's music is an absolutely beautiful blend of acoustic/folk/blues. In fact, the music is so good, I'm not sure it belongs on this page (LOL). But, I hope you'll check them all out. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Nov 9 23:52:41 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:52:41 +0800 Subject: HW: What would you like to hear? Message-ID: >Just idle thoughts: Given that HW release a lot of live albums (no >compliants there!), what would you most like to see released? > >Personally, I really wish there was more of the PXR5 live tracks, >especially the gig which produced that killer version of Uncle Sam - the >way that song swoops down, kicks into gear and soars off with that >standard Hawkwind "feel good" riff is one of my favourite all time HW >moments. > >In general though, I really wish there was more live stuff from the >Calvert era. > I agree with all that you have said here. I would also like to see a complete Space Ritual, without all the track edits, since even the recent digital remaster had edited versions of Brainstorm, Time We Left, and You Shouldn't Do That. I'd also like to see full versions of some other live albums (i.e. Live 79), as well as a complete video of the Black Sword. William From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 06:58:33 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:58:33 GMT Subject: HW: photos swindon? Message-ID: Hi all Quick qeustion: Is any one going to Swindon tonigth who has a camrea and is tkaing photos? I've left my camera at home and would like to get hold of the phtoos fro mtongiths gig. I can either pay for the developemnt of the photos or trad them for a copy of tonigths gig. Let me know if any one can do this and is interested thanks. Great gig at zodica oxford. I'll do a web page on it soemtime when the phtoos get developed. The support insomica (or simalr nmae) for some reason did not play but Harvey bainbridge did instead!!!! He's also palying tonight. so I was quite exited by this and he was good although some druming patterns where not for me. I'll send a longer report of the gig tomorrow. Hawkwimnd was also good but I can see why people don't like Captain razzi. He sounds better on tape than live. And I understnad what was ment by raping. He reuined Space is their (plastine) and Ron joined in at points with him. No raptiod ivsion which was shame but at the zodica bands have to finsih at 10pm so they had no time. Must have their dance clubs afterwards!!!! But tiwas nice to see that they gto a guest on stage. No ti wasn't ahrvy bianbridge whihc to me was a big shame but it was mr Dibbs. He's in some band beingi with a c (forgtten name now) and space age. HE ahd a white bred adn glasses. He did starflihgt bit and palyed rons bass for ejection before hadning it back to ron. It did give ron hnd chance just to sing and during ejection he did some spooken part over the backing. not sure if it has been doen elsewhere on the tour but from the only other conert I've heard, manchester it hasn't been done. The mixng was good as well. could hear the bass, hear the gutiar slos and hear the backing. The wooden floor of shaking to the beat of the drums. But I can't make out what keyboard nosies crum is making. When you get haevy gutiar bits and brock on gutiar I tned not to ehar crum. Is he audioable? Or is there stil some sort of poor mixng going on. for my frist hawkwind conert I got to see 5-6 meebrs on stage at one time. 1 guest meber + a pervious band member supporting them. Any one of those is nice but to have all 6 is great. If I hadn't had exams in 94 I could have seen ahwkwin with only 3 memebrs. 3 years on they have double that. BTW I taped the whole conert using 2 machines so I didn't miss any music what so ever. I aso tpaed harvy's set so if any on is interested in tarading or if thats not possible I'll make copies, of the tapes let me know.4444 Timmy Langner ------------- "Stars occupy miunte areas of space, they are clusted a few billion here and a few billion there as it's seeking consterlation in numbers" (M. Moorcock: Poem and book, Black Corridor) ------------- 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk (I'm a number not a name...) timlang at hotmail.com (...so I put that right) ------------- BOOTLEGS: http://www.brookes.ac.uk/~96163497/bootlegs.html >From there go else where: From Quo to Me. Just go and see (sorry I got bord!) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 08:08:44 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:08:44 GMT Subject: HW: The Ambient Anarchists In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:42:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 03 Nov 19:30, Keith Henderson wrote: > > Hi Folks... > > > > The Ambient Anarchists....where the hell did this compilation come from?? I > > just picked it up on Saturday, as there were things on there I didn't > > recognise...after listening to some of it, I still don't. > > I include the message that Mike posted, giving the origin of all but > two of the tracks. Jill has since spotted that the second Sonic Attack is from the Knights of The Occasional Table version on Future Reconstructions. This probably also explains the extra credits for the track. > > Unfortunately, Lord of Light from LIS isn't on this one...I'd like to have > > that recording sometime...don't understand why they left it off the Love in > > Space double. > > It's not *that* good a version. Ron does the vocals very well, and there's > some good guitar. It's pretty good, but overall it sounds a bit rushed. > > > And yet another thing.....song credits (which we've seen change many > > times) are changing again. Motorway City says (Brock/Nevill)....who the > > hell is Nevill??? and the second Sonic Attack says > > (Ferreira/McBean/Moorcock), whereas the other one (the 1981 studio version) > > says just (Moorcock). > > I suspect the first one is a remix. > > > Here's the info: > > The tracklist is: > > > The Ambient Anarchists 1997 > Urban Guerilla > Right to Decide > PXR5 {listed as High Rise} > Motorway City > Psychedelic Warlords > Sonic Attack > Uncle Sam's On Mars > TV Suicide > Confrontation > Streets of Fear > Motorhead > The Camera That Could Lie > LSD {segue from previous track} > Sonic Attack > UFO Line > Abducted > Earth > Love in Space > The Forge Of Vulcan > Life Form > Green Finned Demon > Virgin Of The World > Utopia > Space Is Their Palestine {listed as Assassin} > Hassan I Sabha {segue from previous track) > The Joker At The Gate > Time and Space > Vega > The Last Messiah > > > Versions: > > Urban Guerilla > L 4 British Tribal Music > L 4 Ironstrike > L 4 Castle Masters Collection > L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > L 4 The Early Years Live EP > L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 > L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 > L 4 The Hawkwind Collection > L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} > L 4 Space Is Deep > L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > Right to Decide > 1 Electric Teepee > 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single > 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > PXR5 > 1 PXR5 > Motorway City > L 6 Undisclosed Files > Psychedelic Warlords > 3 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP > 3 Choose Your Masques [CD only] > Sonic Attack > 7 Sonic Attack > Uncle Sam's On Mars > 3 PXR5 > 3 Repeat Performance > TV Suicide > L 2 a California Brainstorm > Confrontation > 1 Out And Intake > 1 Night Of The Hawk > Streets of Fear > 1 a Sonic Attack > Motorhead > 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" > 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD > Processed > L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} > L 3 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples > LSD > L 3 The Business Trip > Sonic Attack > > > > U.F.O Line > 1 Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams > Abducted > 1 Alien4 > Parasites Are Here On Earth > 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams > Love in Space > > > > The Forge Of Vulcan > 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm > 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" > 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > Life Form > 1 PXR5 > Green Finned Demon > L 4 The Business Trip > L 4 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples > Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} > 2 Sonic Attack > 2 Angels of Death > Utopia > 1 Choose Your Masques > Space is their (Palestine) > L 4 Love In Space {Assassins} > Hassan I Sabha > L 9 Love In Space {Assassins} > The Joker At The Gate > 1 Angels of Death > 1 Church of Hawkwind > Time and Space > 1 White Zone > Vega > 1 Alien4 > The Last Messiah > 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] > 1 Angels of Death > > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 472 4782 > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 10 08:11:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:11:43 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons in Altoona Message-ID: Steve's most excellent review of tBS in Altoona deleted... Sounds like a great show - I'd really love to see "Vera Gemini" live someday - I always figured Al + Deb could give it the live treatment it deserves. You hit it on the head about Albert's drumming - he has a real knack for making "musical" drum solos, as oppossed to someone just pounding their drumkit into submission. His use of different rhythms and various objects in the club is both entertaining to watch and to listen to. Would LOVE to get a copy of that tape, if you're interested in doing any sort of trade - e-mail me (jswartz at mitre.org) if you are. I've heard "A Kiss..." live and I agree it sounds great - Deb really puts this across well live, and when those guitars kick in ... oh yeah. Eagerly awaiting my Cellsum order, John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 08:13:52 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:13:52 GMT Subject: HW: codex comment In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:10:20 -0500 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: Thanks. Codex amended. Would Kevin like to supply any further corrections? FoFP (Keeper of The Codex) > Got this in the mail, regarding the Hawkwind Codex. > > > From: "Kevin Sommers" > > To: > > Subject: Hawkwind Codex Corrections > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:06:25 -0700 > > > > I've taken a look at the latest Codex (the very nice bound version from = > > OzHawks) and would like to point out a few factual details about the = > > "Nova Drive" CDs (Nova Drive, Timeless Paeans From The Ongoing Rituals = > > Of Space, Corridor of Flame, and the ill-fated The A-Files). I was = > > responsible for the creation and the very limited distribution of these = > > crazy things, and would like to set the "record", such that it is, = > > straight as to the source and details of the various songs contained on = > > them. For example: "Crystal Void" is not from the same tour as "Void's = > > End", but is from London, Brixton Academy 7/6/91, with Tim Blake = > > guesting on keyboards (hence "Crystal"). > > > > Much Thankx, > > Kevin Sommers > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 10 08:25:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:25:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: Just want to put a plug in for the video currently available on the Buck Dharma Band Ricky Browning Benefit show from last April. I got my copy of "Miracles DO Happen, Take One" last Friday, and was most impressed. The beginning part of the video is focussed on Ricky, and his amazing story of his successful battle with a brain tumor. There's interviews with him, his doctor, along with Buck and Sandy Roeser. Interspersed with that are complete coverage of the BDB's renditions of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" and "Godzilla" (with Ricky assisting on drums). After Ricky's story, there are full video clips of several songs done by the band, including: Before the Kiss, Deadline, Born to Rock, 5:35, Wind Weather and Storm, Burnin' For You, and Buck's Boogie (there might be a few others I've forgotten). The sound and video quality is EXCELLENT - this doesn't look like a concert video - it looks too polished. I urge all BOC fans to get a copy of this - not only for the excellent music/video footage contained, but also for the inspirational story of a courageous boy and his victory over incredible odds. For more info on the video, go to http://ultrawave.com/rose/ John From uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU Mon Nov 10 08:30:54 1997 From: uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:30:54 +0300 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic > >Warlords was being played at sunrise. > > Are you sure that you are talking about STONEHENGE 1984 ?? > > I am sorry but HAWKWIND didn't play PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS in the year 1984. > It was a typical song of 1981,1982 and 1983 > >Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any > >part/s of HW come on and play? > I am not certain because I wasn't there. I have only my tapes and can see > what HAWKWIND played in which year. > > But maybe I have not the complete tape from the 1st Festival day. I wasn't anywhere near Stonehenge that time, but I think I can say for sure that Hawkwind DIDN'T finished at all at 10 p.m. There is a video "The Solstice at Stonehenge - UK - 1984" released by Visionary, and there are two tracks recorded in the morning. I do not remember them very well 'cause I don't have a video at home so a lot of time went since I saw it last time, but - as I remeber - it was a sort of jam where it was difficult to distinguish any familiar song. Track listing (from http://www.visionary.co.uk/music/hawkwind.htm): Stonehenge Decoded - Ghost Dance - Watching The Grass Grow - Utopia - Social Alliance - Uncle Sams On Mars - Sonic Attack - The Right Stuff - Dawn - In The Morning Have a good time, Yuri From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 10 08:29:01 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:29:01 -0600 Subject: Al's BOC Numbers for tBS Message-ID: >Following Dominance, Albert asked the audience for requests. Jason>How cool! I wonder if this will be a regular feature of the show:) (watch all the BOC-Ler minds scrambling for a kickin' Bouchard tune for them to do) Not me. Vera and D&S are my fave Al numbers from his days with BOC. Both numbers seem real natural for tBS. This band needs to do a double live cd someday. lil' ab OBCD - Galactic Cowboys Machine Fish "Hooked into an IV, right to Mr. Spivey, cosmic operator standing by Won't you be my friend, pyschotic companion?" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 06:07:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:07:20 +0000 Subject: HW: What would you like to hear? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >In general though, I really wish there was more live stuff from the >Calvert era. > >Mark You wish is my command. 1999 Party is scheduled for release next Monday 17th November. (So expect it sometime next month :( ) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 06:05:50 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:05:50 +0000 Subject: HW : The Spice Girls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , David Jones writes >Yep they get everywhere > >This months Q contains the following exchange in an interview with the five > >Q : Got a favourite Hawkwind album ? > >(Emma) Bunton : I don't think so, What were they, '70's ? > > >Q: How about Gong ? > >(Mel) Chisolm : Is that an indie band ? > > > >David (quotes from memory) Before your blood boils up completely, they were also asked about Capatin Beefheart "Captain who?" and The Stone Roses "Now they were indie. What song did they do?" Q : What's a really good lyric, one that's really moved you? Emma : "Zoom by The Fat Larry Band" Q : What? "Zoom and my heart went boom?" Emma : Well, yeah. My Saturday sidekick Paul, showed me just the HW remark on Saturday afternoon in a full shop of twenty or so customers. My face went red and I started spluttering. Total apoplexy. Most amusing for him. Bastard. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 05:57:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:57:39 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Kenneth Magnusson writes >So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, >seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since >the last album, anyone agree ? > >Kenneth well, not really, because, these days bands tend to release every 2 to 3 years intstead of once a year. So really we're still getting more or less the same amount of "songs per year". And besides, the new Verve album (on vinyl) is a double and it's fine. And Vanishing Point/Primal Scream, that's a double and that's cool, too! (But the earlier stuff's more spacey, though.........) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 05:23:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:23:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <971108183355_-1460026418@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <971108183355_-1460026418 at mrin85.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart writes >Just saw an advert for a Spiritualized show in NYC for Dec. >Ive heard alot off good things but never heard them, or their music >described. >What's the deal? > >regards, >Bill Stewart If HW are acid space rock, Spiritualized are prescription tranx space rock. I happen to think they are absolutley the bollocks and saw them at the Royal Albert Hall last month. They were fantastic. I had to decide between seeing them again and going to the Hawks last week. Luckily, I was so feverish and ill, I couldn't go anywhere. (Phew!) They rock out in places, float off in others. They are fronted by Jason Spaceman (nee Pierce) formerly of Spacemen 3 He's been performing for about 12 years now, and is no amatuer. They are starting to be described in the UK Music Press as The Greatest Avant Gard Rock Act Ever. If you're expecting spacerock as it is performed by ArcMet, Melting Euphoria or other Cleopatra acts, you might be dissappointed. They are people on this list who like them but see no real similarity to HW. I could not describe Spiritualized as anything but spacerock, though, and definatly recommemend them as one of England's Finest. (esp if they have the full gospel choir backing, which they often do!) Check out albums : Pure Phase Lazer Guided Melodies ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space ] Oddly enough, the last time they were in the US, they opened for Neil Young And Crazy Horse. Some of the boots off that tour are unreal! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 05:10:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:10:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971109111302.006af230@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971109111302.006af230 at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >Are you sure that you are talking about STONEHENGE 1984 ?? That seems to be the one thing I am sure about! Yeah, Alan's first gig, '84. > >I am sorry but HAWKWIND didn't play PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS in the year 1984. >It was a typical song of 1981,1982 and 1983 erm then, any idea who else played that night? Tubilah Dog (or similar) doing HW covers, perhaps? Here & Now might have done half an hour now that I'm straining hard to recall that night. I didn't see them, though but I saw their gear lieing around at the back. (or so I thought - False Memory Syndrome might be going into overdrive here!) > > fofp, you were there that night weren't you? Or had you gone to Glasto like many did for a couple of days, to return after? Evidently the adage "if you remember it, you wern't there" is a truism after all. :) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 09:16:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:16:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: <34670C8E.C6A43DB7@tangram.spb.ru> Message-ID: In article <34670C8E.C6A43DB7 at tangram.spb.ru>, Yuri Elik writes >I wasn't anywhere near Stonehenge that time, but I think I can say for >sure that Hawkwind DIDN'T finished at all at 10 p.m. There is a video >"The Solstice at Stonehenge - UK - 1984" released by Visionary, and >there are two tracks recorded in the morning. I do not remember them >very well 'cause I don't have a video at home so a lot of time went >since I saw it last time, but - as I remeber - it was a sort of jam >where it was difficult to distinguish any familiar song. Well, wierdly enough, 5 minutes ago, I was just talking about this to the missus, saying I'd always thought they'd played on and off all night, when this hippie called Driftwood walked in the shop. Overhearing our conversation about Henge '84, he chimes in "I was at that. Do you remember the mist that morning? It was about 4 feet thick on the ground and then stopped. Hawkwind were doing some two hour jam at around six in the morning. Just went on and on, no real song. After that Nik went on Greenham. God know what he was on at that, he was playing for about 3 days there! " I don't think your records need updating, Bern, but I think this show went into "extra time" at some point. Whether it counts as a full show, I don't know. It seems pretty likely now that they left the stage at 10 - ish but they did come back on at times throughout the night and i don't seem to be entirely alone (but pretty isolated!) in thinking that something was going on next morning. I really thought they finished up about 10 a.m. It's around that time the stage finally went quiet, anyway. Or maybe that's when I finally crashed out ;-) -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 10 09:47:24 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:47:24 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: At 10:57 AM 11/10/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article , Kenneth Magnusson > writes >>So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, >>seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since >>the last album, anyone agree ? >> >>Kenneth Jon Browne; >well, not really, because, these days bands tend to release every 2 to 3 >years intstead of once a year. So really we're still getting more or >less the same amount of "songs per year". > Hmmm, but I think I agree with Kenneth... New CDs often tend to contain +15 minutes of crap... or, ehrm, maybe not crap... well, boring songs... And Jon, AFAIK the tours are longer and in more countries in the '90s than it used to be in the '70s... so there's not much time for the bands to write new music. Conclusion: less time to write + more playing time to fill = lots of lousy songs (BUT yes, yes I know I know... some people can write on the road... bla bla... and you can jam on the stage - testing new ideas... bladibla blabla... ;-) mvh -Daniel Wikdahl ObThingsYouShouldn'tDoWhenDrunk: Tell everybody in your unviversity class that you want to cut their throats off ObOtherHorribleThingsToAvoid: People looking at you like you're Frankensteins monster "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 10:15:53 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:15:53 GMT Subject: HW: Back to the future? Message-ID: ah ha - the ether seems to be singing again. So are any messages sent prior to Nov 4 likely to appear or will we have to resend everything? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 10 10:22:02 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:22:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: Oh yeah, Shooting Shark is on the video too - an awesome version at that! John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 10:18:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:18:33 +0000 Subject: HW : Live 74 out on Monday Message-ID: It's a definate. I've just been told my copy's in the post. Thery're finished. They exist. They should be no delays with this one. Hopefully, I'll get mine by the end of the week (review copy) so I'll post as soon as I've spun it. I've had tapes (albeit in a disorganised form over 2 x C90's) of this show for a couple of years and they sound great, I mean REALLY great, before any remastering, so I can't wait to hear this. If this sounds like i'm expecting this really is a dream LP, esp. for you UA-era-centrics. sorry for posting so much, though you'd be interested in this tho' -- Jon Browne over-exictable as usual From manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 10:27:37 1997 From: manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK (Buckley) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:27:37 +0000 Subject: stonehenge 84 Message-ID: to try and clarify what happened on the solstice roy harper played mid afternoon finishing about 7 ish then a slight delay for the hawks to set up. theytook the stage just before dusk and played for just short of two hours (i remeber this quite well as i was sat on the front of the stage all night) at some point dave said theyed play all night if anyone had some coke.after the hawks set the stage was then set up for the enid who had supplyed the p.a.they played a set of about 90 mins(best guess here on that)then the cardiacs played plus i think one more band then just before dawn hawkwind took to the stage again for their second set in time for the sunrise ,this while still being the same night was also the 21/6/84.the 22/6/84 gig was held in the tibeten tent. hope this helps clear up some of the confusion :) Simon and Caroline Buckley - manubrium at manubrium.demon.co.uk ~ If in doubt, improvise. ~ From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Nov 10 11:08:48 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:08:48 -0500 Subject: HW: nova drive Message-ID: I'm not sure why he singled me out for this. ========== forwarded message: From: "Kevin Sommers" To: Subject: "Nova Drive" stuff details Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:35:18 -0700 Hello HAWKWIND World-------------- [some rambling deleted] Here's the whole story, the best there is anyway, of the "Nova = Drive" CD-Rs. The first was Nova Drive. I had this crazy idea to share some of = the fantastic HawkMusic that I had that other collectors might like to = have with some artwork (I like to try to be artistic from time to time) = that might make look like a legitimate CD, including a fake "catalog = number" and "label" (Discontent). Tracks were: "Born To Go" - Ramsgate, Marina Park 5/28/84 (with Robert = Calvert) "Spirit Of The Age" - Cologne, Germany, Live Music Hall 11/13/94 "Nova Drive" - Doncaster, Rotters 11/10/80. An instrumental = which I made-up a name for, from the lyrics to "PXR5" "Aliens" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95. This, is of course, = mistitled. "Silver Machine" - Springfield, Virginia 4/8/95 "Sputnik Stan" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 "Terra Mystica" - from The Business Trip vinyl. This of course = shouldn't have ever been put on this, crossing the line from bootleg to = pirate. "Wastelands Of Sleep" - London, Hammersmith Odeon 4/21/88. I = absolutely love Dave's vocals in this. "(Only) The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid" - Oxford, Apollo = Theater 10/6/78 "Damage Of Life" - Woolwich, Coronet 6/3/89 "Paranoia" - Birmingham, Odeon 11/8/86 "Magnu" - San Francisco, The Stone 10/7/89 untitled and unlisted song (I called it "DoReMi FaSol LaTiDo"), = excerpt from "LSD" Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 =20 The cover of this, as well as all of my CD-Rs, was made using = various color copiers, leading to slight variations in tint and/or hue. = This was "released" in July '95. I had some clear stickers made to put = onto the CD-R, with the following pseudo-poem on it: "Psychedelic Warlords Are In Search Of Space Bandits And Star = Cannibals Who Lurk Inside Your Brain And Hide Inside Your Mind; The Watcher Is Standing At The Edge Of Void City, Where Wizened = Sages Sat, Ancient Masters Of The Rites Of The Netherworld." =20 Next was Timeless Paeans From The Ongoing Rituals Of Space. The idea = was to have new (80's & 90's) versions of Space Ritual-era songs.I = dropped the fake catalog number, but included "A Nova Drive Production" Tracks were: "Brainstorm" - Detroit, St. Andrew's Hall 5/18/91 "Paranoia" - Tilburg, Nooderligt 10/12/91 "Down Through The Night" - San Francisco, The stone 10/7/89 "You Shouldn't Do That" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 "Urban Guerilla" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 "You Know You're Only Dreaming" - Cologne, Germany, Live Music = Hall 11/13/94 "Born To Go" - Sheffield, City Hall 2/21/84 "10 Seconds Of Forever" - Sheffield, City Hall 2/21/84 "Seven By Seven" - Utrecht, Tivoli 4/29/93 "Time We Left This World Today" - St. Catherine's, The Hideaway = 5/17/91=20 "Master Of The Universe" - New York, Marquee 5/9/91 "Be Yourself" - Utrecht, Tivoli 4/29/93 "Sonic Attack" - London, Hammersmith Odeon 4/21/88 "Silver Machine" - Bradford, St. George's Hall 10/13/81 "Welcome to The Future" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 Next: Corridor Of Flame, versions 1 and 2: Tracks: "Co-Pilots Of Spaceship Earth" - Birmingham, Kinetic Playground = 12/12/71. Renamed "Technicians Of Spaceship Earth" on version 2. "Void Of Golden Light" - Boulder, Fox Theatre 4/23/95 "Lost Chronicles" - Clyro Court Festival 10/1/88. Nick guests. "Mark Of Cain" - Folkestone, Leas Cliffe Hall 6/1/85. Fairly = crappy recording of a great song by Huw. "The Secret Agent" - Utrecht, Tivoli 4/29/93 "Beast Of Chaos" - Potter's Bar, Elm Court 10/16/71 "Crystal Void" - London, Brixton Academy 7/6/91. 2nd half of = the song; Tim Blake guests on keyboards. "Steppenwolf" - London, Hammersmith Odeon 11/12/82 "Time For Sale" - Manchester, Palace Theatre 9/18/76; replaced = by: "Lord Of Light" - Berlin, Marquee 10/28/95 and "Cajun Jinx" - London, Hammersmith Odeon 11/27/86, on = version 2 "Phone Home Elliott" - Chippenham, Golddigger's Club" 11/15/82 "The Age Of The Micro Man" - St. Catherine's, The Hideaway = 4/5/95 "Waiting For My Man" - london, Roundhouse 2/27/77 "PXR5" - Preston, Guild Hall 12/6/79 "The Golden Void" - Oxford, Apollo Theatre 10/27/81 A note: "Space Sex" was never included nor intended on this collection. Then, I tried The A Files, taken, all-digitally, from my recording = at Boulder, Fox Theatre, but this ruffled quite a few Hawk feathers, and = was the end of "Nova Drive Productions," such as it was. Tracks: "Starflight" "Ejection" "25 Years" "You Shouldn't Do That" "The White Zone" "LSD"/"Pre-Med" "Death Trap" "Wastelands" "Are You Losing Your Mind" "Assassins Of Allah" "Space Is Their (Palestine)" "Robot" "Alien (I Am)" "Vega" "Urban Guerilla" "Silver Machine" Due to a friendly (!) conversation with Doug Smith, this was the end = of the not-for-profit, completely fan-based distribution of CD-R's from = me. Is the World a better place because of it? Who the hell knows. I = for one (among many, I know) still greatly enjoy my live Hawkwind = recordings, and still create art (not Art, I'm sure) for them. Ah well. = Keep flying, keep trying. = Kevin Sommers ========== end of forwarded message. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 10 10:46:08 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:46:08 +1100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, 10 November 1997 03:44 Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) >>So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, >>seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since >>the last album, anyone agree ? >> >The problem nowadays is that artists now have to fit into a larger format >because of the size CD's hold, compared to LP, otherwise they feel they are >shortchanging their fans. >Maybe the best way around this is to record about 45 mins. of new material, >then fill up the rest of the disk with live material, old 'b' sides, etc., >and credit these as 'Extra Material'. I've always liked the idea of having multimedia extras on CDs, such as video footage, texts, lyrics, interviews, etc, etc... - Max Wilcox From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 12:12:33 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:12:33 GMT Subject: Distant Horizons on vinyl? Message-ID: Anyone know if there's vinyl about? FoFP From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Nov 10 12:47:53 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:47:53 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons news Message-ID: Oh, I should probably pass on some Brain Surgeons news...I asked Albert why it took them until Friday to get me some flyers I could put up advertising their Saturday appearance. He said they were busy with last-minute production problems on Malpractise and Joe's new album. Malpractise should finally be coming out this week, and Joe's disc to soon follow. Malpractise will not contain lyrics. Also, Joe wanted a sixteen-page booklet (!) included with his disc, but he hadn't gotten the material to Albert yet as of Thursday night, and hadn't returned Albert's phone call before the Brain Surgeons left for their Friday night gig in upstate New York, so if worse comes to worst there will just be a tracklist and musician list with that disc. The version of Girl Love Made Blind on Malpractise will be a new one. It will be a Brain Surgeons arrangement, although Albert told me some sections (in particular the beautiful "Christmas chorus" at the end) will remain the same as the original Imaginos recording. SET From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 10 12:41:14 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:41:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: <34670C8E.C6A43DB7@tangram.spb.ru> Message-ID: Hi Yuri At 16:30 10.11.97 +0300, you wrote: >Track listing (from http://www.visionary.co.uk/music/hawkwind.htm): >Stonehenge Decoded - Ghost Dance - Watching The Grass Grow - >Utopia - Social Alliance - Uncle Sams On Mars - Sonic Attack - The >Right Stuff - Dawn - In The Morning This video contains stuff from 20.06.1984 and 21.06.1984 cheers Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 10 12:39:05 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:39:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 14:16 10.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >I don't think your records need updating, Bern, but I think this show >went into "extra time" at some point. I believe what you are saying What about that: Just add the tape from 20.06.1984 (late evening) to the tape 21.06.1984 (very early morning) and you have that extreme long gig you're talking about: 110 min + 55 min = 165 min The 2nd part (21.06.1984) contains indeed some jamming Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 12:57:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:57:39 +0000 Subject: stonehenge 84 In-Reply-To: <7ggagDApfyZ0EwkG@manubrium.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <7ggagDApfyZ0EwkG at manubrium.demon.co.uk>, Buckley writes > > hope this helps clear up some of the confusion :) NICE ONE! -- Jon Browne From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Nov 10 14:49:17 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:49:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin (& more) Bargain Bin Stuff Message-ID: If you're scanning the bargain bins at stores like Coconuts and Record Town for Griffin Hawkwind CDs, be on the lookout for some Emergency Broadcast System CDs as well, and other interesting imports. This weekend, I found: _Area S4_ (EBCD107) _Future Reconstructions_ (EBSSCD117) _Early Daze_ (Magnum CDTB044) _Live 79_ (Griffin GCD229) _Undisclosed Files Addendum_ (Griffin GCD372) Not bad for about $20. Multiple copies of all except _Early Daze_ were available. I think that the only Griffin HW-related CDs that I haven't seen yet in these bins are _Hawklords Live_ and Brock's _Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams_. So far I've visited 5 different stores in my area. If you're in the Boston, Massachusetts area, the best store to visit in terms of these bargain bins may be the Coconuts location in Newton (take Newton Highlands exit off route 128 N, the store is about half a mile up on your left). Be sure not to miss the second rack of imports in the back of the store! But every store I've visited in this area has had things that the other stores have not. Happy hunting! MWood P.S. - contact me privately if there is anything in particular that you need, Griffin-wise. I'd be especially interested in dealing for Brock's ST&PD CD... :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 14:56:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:56:42 GMT Subject: OFF: BLACK SABBATH BIRMINGHAM Message-ID: On ons 5 nov 1997 11.32 "Bill Stewart" wrote: > Could someone please give me the number of Ticket Master in London and > also any Info on the Birmingham gigs--support bands etc. Don't know about TicketMaster in London, but the Birmingham NEC's number is 0121 780 4133 and that's where I ordered my ticket from. The support band will be Fear Factory. No definite word on Bill Ward yet, so far as I know. I'll be there on the Friday :) Cheers, Carl From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Nov 10 15:51:31 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:51:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, A. Davey, Lemmy Message-ID: Christian (>) wrote: (About Alan and Bridgett singing Golden Void) >>Yes, I know (Bridgett on the Live Legends video, for example). I must say >>that Alan never has been and probably never will be a good singer. >Hmm, I quite disagree. Alan's voice has a great punk edge, for instance his >Hassan I Sahba/Damnation Alley etc. (much of the California Brainstorm >actually as well) are IMO great stuff. Gave the power trio line up a cool >edge. Well, luckily we don't all have the same tastes/opinions! I think that, apart from Alan's vocals, they did absolutely wonderful versions of Hassan I Sahba/Damnation Alley/Ejection. I like them, but Alan's vocals are quite pale compared to the original, IMHO. The middle section of Damnation Alley on Palace Springs, where they slow down and Alan pulls off some killer bass lines, just blows me away. The last part of their renditions of Hassan I Sahba is also very cool, especially the "It is written - In the soul of the desert" section with Dave singing "It is written...". Alan's voice (again, IMHO) sounds okay in tracks like LSD and Sputnik Stan. I also think that he sounds pretty good when he "doubles up" on vocals with Dave on songs such as Assault & Battery, Arrival in Utopia and Night of the Hawks. Or rather, the combined effect sounds good. We could debate about this forever, I'm just giving you my views on it.... >>Don't get me wrong here, I think Alan was probably the best thing that >>ever happened to the Hawks after Lemmy's departure. In fact, he was the >>perfect replacement for Lemmy, and at the same time an injection of fresh >>blood into Spaceship Hawkwind. Face it, the 1981-1983 stuff was below >>par. Alan brought the drive back into Hawkwind. >Well, I thought Bainbridge played a cool bass (no matter what Ginger Baker >might have had to say about it!!!!). Not to mention the Levitation, Sonic >Attack and Choose Your Masques had some great driving tracks. I'm not saying that everything between Lemmy and Alan Davey is crap. In fact, Levitation is probably my favourite HW studio album! God I miss Huw... I love Quark and PXR5 too. However, I think the Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques albums were somewhat disappointing. Sure, there are classics on those too (Angels of Death/Arrival In Utopia) with loads of beatiful lead guitar from Huw, but I have a feeling that they lost their sense of direction on those albums... Is there anybody out there who appreciates the redo of Silver Machine on Choose Your Masques? I don't. And then the Zones album... Apart from the Island, that album really doesn't do much for me. Then followed two years of silence (apart from the Night of the Hawks EP, which is OK) and finally, BAM!, the Chronicle of the Black Sword! What a comeback! Alan had spent a year in the band and I believe that he greatly contributed to the new HawkSound by bringing the drive (Lemmy style) back into it. Harvey's bass was fine (he played on Levitation...), but Alan made the Hawks sound "fresh" again. >>*Lemmy* once said (during an interview I did in 1989, in fact) that >>replacing him with *Paul Rudolph* was like replacing Bob Seger with Luke >>Goss (from Bros, yuk!). A bit exaggerated, perhaps, but very >>illustrating... >Ah well, something different. That's what I liked about the late 70's >Calvert-era (Quark/PXR5/Hawklords, not as much Astounding which was sort of >transitory) was the sudden forward shift to a sort of "cybernetic" sound >and a cool, streamlined New Wave-ness. I liked Rudolph/Shaw's bass - >different, >yeah, but that's the way to do it, move on instead of trying to recapture >"the old days" etc. Sure Davey is/was a great bassist, and indeed he's quite >influenced by Lemmy. As I said, I like the Calvert era too. Astounding isn't that bad either, Reefer Madness is a classic. >Speaking of, I can't help but feel Lemmy's bass sound owes something to >Dave Anderson. Just Master Of The Universe on XISOS sounds like Lemmy. >Also Anderson's bass on Calvert's Test Tube Conceived album (like the opening >track) also have that heavy, yet rhythmic lumbering sound. Good point. >>We all know that Alan sang all the Calvert tunes. My opinion is that it >>was nice to hear some Calvert stuff again, but Alan didn't really do them >>any justice. HOWEVER, Ron definitely does! >I really don't like Ron's vocals so much... I though quite the opposite. >Of course Ron is a great showman, but IMO not much else (his lyrics are >godawful!!!). When I come to think of it, Dave sang Quark and Spirit of the Age... I've never seen Ron in action. Actually, I have the Love in Space video, but I haven't bothered to buy a new VCR since my old one broke down... I think Ron's vocals are fine, especially on old Calvert tunes. After all, there is a definitely a resemblance there. Robot off Love in Space is a good example. Unfortunately, I've never had the opportunity to hear him do Reefer Madness or Steppenwolf. I haven't payed that much attention to his "godawful" lyrics. Could you name a song? >>I have often thought of the fact that the following past or present >>HawkCrew members have similar looks/styles: >> >>Alan Davey - Lemmy (playing style) >>Simon King - Richard Chadwick (playing style and looks) >Dunno why I feel Chadwick's drumming sounds so canned. He's got more range >than Danny "look ma, no hand!" Thompson. Yeah Chadwick does kinda look like >King though. King's drumming was definitely heavier. I'm neither a musician nor a sound technician, but I suppose the sound of his drums has a lot to do with his drum set, the way it is set up and how it is brought into the mix. I'm sure they could make it heavier of they wanted to... Anyway, I quite like Richard's style. And it suits the old (early seventies) material a lot better than Danny's. Assault & Battery didn't sound that great with Danny... >>Bob Calvert - Ron Tree (vocal style) >A very pale imitation! I'm not saying that Ron is as talented a lyricist/songwriter/performer as Bob, just that his voice sounds a lot like Bob's. >>Do any HawkFreaks out there agree with me? >>And judging by some messages on this list, Jerry Richards playing style >>is close to Dave's! Is there any truth in that? >He seems much heavier/modern as far as style goes but I couldn't say. >Not so spacey but but really jammin. >So far I like what I heard of the Strange Daze vid alot, at least the new >tunes. Tree's bass sounds like, um, well, I might be able to do (even though >I never played any instruments!!!) I've never heard Jerry play guitar, nor have I heard Ron play bass. I guess I'll have to wait for the new album. Should be here any day now! Judging by the messages on this list, the new HW sound is heavier than before. I wonder how this is possible when Alan has been "replaced" by a "conventional" (I suppoose?) bass player like Ron? >Still, Ron puts on a good zany act. Quite an "energetic" fellow %^)~ Again, I have yet to see him in action. Thanks for sharing your views on these subjects. I've never had anyone to discuss important matters such as HW and BOC with before, although I have been a fan for fifteen years... This is most interesting. All the best, Ola From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 14:05:16 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:05:16 +0000 Subject: HW: What would you like to hear? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >In article , Mark Edmonds > writes >>In general though, I really wish there was more live stuff from the >>Calvert era. >> >You wish is my command. > >1999 Party is scheduled for release next Monday 17th November. > >(So expect it sometime next month :( ) >-- >Jon Browne Isn't this the title of the new 1974 album? When I said Calvert era, I should have said Charisma period perhaps. Still, I really can't wait to hear 1999 Party, surely one of the most significant HW releases of the last 10 years. Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 10 16:50:04 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:50:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, A. Davey, Lemmy Message-ID: > I'm not saying that Ron is as talented a lyricist/songwriter/performer as > Bob, just that his voice sounds a lot like Bob's. A lot of people (mostly non-Brits) say this, but to my ear (at least) they're quite different. Ron does *try* to sound like Bob sometimes, but I'd never mistake him for Bob in a million years. > I've never heard Jerry play guitar, nor have I heard Ron play bass. I > guess I'll have to wait for the new album. Should be here any day now! > Judging by the messages on this list, the new HW sound is heavier than > before. I wonder how this is possible when Alan has been "replaced" by a > "conventional" (I suppoose?) bass player like Ron? At Blackheath especially, there was really very little fucking around with synths and MIDIs and stuff, and that's part of it... also, Ron is a more, uh, "direct", bass-player... (which I happen to like, actually). - Andy ObCD: New Race - _The First and the Last_ (remastered) -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 10 16:48:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:44 -0000 Subject: Brain Surgeons news Message-ID: Maybe - just a random thought - Cellsum and EBS ought to have some sort of reciprocal arrangement, where thay can sell each other's stuff in their respective countries? Make life simpler for *me*, anyway :)) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Nov 10 17:22:31 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:22:31 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: Hi, Thanx for Your thoughts on the subject, I've been thinking of this for a long time because of the records I have produced. Now to some comments on Your comments: >William Duffy: >The problem nowadays is that artists now have to fit into a larger format >because of the size CD's hold, compared to LP, otherwise they feel they are >shortchanging their fans. Don't they feel that they are 'mistreating' their fans with songs which are not up to scratch ? >Jon Browne: >well, not really, because, these days bands tend to release every 2 to 3 >years intstead of once a year. So really we're still getting more or >less the same amount of "songs per year". Maybe it's because the albums, generally, are recorded during 2-5 months, there are just not enough creativity to produce all the tracks the way they deserve, so that would leave us with good songs but with below par production, I can only speak for myself, but when we had recorded Flux (approx 45-50 min) I was totally exhausted, I didn't touch my keyboards for six months, and I feel if we would have done the additional 20-25 minutes it would have been disastrous to the final result. Now, artists like Rush, Hawkwind and David Bowie are, of course, pro's, but they seem to have the same problem. >Daniel Wikdahl: >Hmmm, but I think I agree with Kenneth... New CDs often tend to contain >+15 minutes of crap... or, ehrm, maybe not crap... well, boring songs... Ah, we the Swedes (swedes?) are known for our excellent sense of taste, of course Daniel agrees, he's a 'brother' (moose-brother?) ;^> >Max Wilcox: > I've always liked the idea of having multimedia extras on CDs, >such as video footage, texts, lyrics, interviews, etc, etc... Agreed ! Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Nov 10 17:52:07 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:52:07 -0600 Subject: HW: weekend finds Message-ID: I am finally settling into married life (Hey! It ain't so bad! :-), so I should be able to update my Golden Void pages soon. On other topics, I went to our local monthly record swap this weekend. I was surprised by the total lack of bootlegs there until I found out that the previous month's swap was raided by three dozen police officers! They seized 5000 to 10000 "illegal compact discs, cassettes, and videos." Arrests were made for violating anti-bootlegging statutes. Bummer. I did manage to find vinyl copies of Choose Your Masques (for US$6) and the Victoria double album (US$19). All in all, not a bad find. I also managed to find the LiS CD EP and Nik Turner's "Sonic Attack 2001" at my favorite import store. I like them both. I can't wait until they get DH and the new live CD in. Frank ObAwesomeHoneymoonLocation: Egypt, including a cruise down the Nile. We can't wait to get a chance to get back there again. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 10 17:58:54 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:58:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, A. Davey, Lemmy In-Reply-To: <01BCEE22.B374B440.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 21:50 10/11/97 -0000, Ola Nyberg wrote: >> I'm not saying that Ron is as talented a lyricist/songwriter/performer as >> Bob, just that his voice sounds a lot like Bob's. Andy Gilham wrote: >A lot of people (mostly non-Brits) say this, but to my ear (at least) they're >quite different. Ron does *try* to sound like Bob sometimes, but I'd never >mistake him for Bob in a million years. Yeah, I have no idea why people say they sound similar. I find no similarities. I think Dave or Nik sound more like Bob than Ron!!!! Christian From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Mon Nov 10 17:05:29 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:05:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Whitesnake Message-ID: I know that this is way off, but I feel I have to share this with you... I went to see David Coverdale and Whitesnake (well David Coverdale & Co, not one single member is left since 1987) Friday night (Nov. 7) here in Stockholm. It's supposed to be their "fairwell" tour (have we heard it before? Quo in 1984, for example...), so I thought why not... (yes, I bought their marketing trick). Anyway, I am almost 100% certain that parts of Coverdale's vocals were ON TAPE! Most notably on the track Love Ain't No Stranger, in which there are a few slow sections featuring only Coverdale's vocals on top of keyboards. (I believe that this is called "singback", please correct me if I'm wrong). He still handles the lower, bluesy, register quite well, and he can do the screams, but the mid-range seems to be gone... That used to be his strength... Apparently, he felt it was safer to play a tape with a fifteen year-old recording... I've heard that he's had problems with his vocal cords, does anybody else know anything about it? Has anybody else seen them on this tour who could confirm my suspicions? Ola P.S. When you've heard ten songs in a row about the same subject, all containing the word "love" in the chorus, it actually gets a bit tedious. Coverdale also claimed that "Even at my age I still like to f***". Very original. But he is still a showman, I'll give him that... The audience, by the way, loved every minute of it. I thought it was OK, not more. I don't regret going. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 18:29:11 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:29:11 +0000 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: I've got the original Jettisound release but I now see that there is a new version with some additional footage. Does anyone know if the new one has a proper stereo soundtrack or is it still mono? Also, what is the new footage like, how long does it last and is it good enough to warrant buying the video again? Incidentally, has anyone else ever tried synching the CD to the video? Assuming my video and CD play at the correct speed, there are some interesting tempi differences between the two - someone somewhere has meddled with the tape speeds! Thanks for any answers, Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 10 18:24:48 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:24:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, A. Davey, Lemmy In-Reply-To: <01BCEE22.B374B440.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCEE22.B374B440.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >> I'm not saying that Ron is as talented a lyricist/songwriter/performer as >> Bob, just that his voice sounds a lot like Bob's. > >A lot of people (mostly non-Brits) say this, but to my ear (at least) they're >quite different. Ron does *try* to sound like Bob sometimes, but I'd never >mistake him for Bob in a million years. The first time I heard Ron, I thought "Oh no, he's trying to sound like Bob" and at the time, I had always thought that Alan was always trying to sound like Lemmy so I started to nurture thoughts that HW was degenerating into a group of sub-clones. I don't think that now and respect both artistes (!) for what they are - it was the LiS video which converted me. Mark From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 10 20:58:52 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:58:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:47:34 GMT Message-ID: Neil Shilladay writes: > Jill writes : > > If anyone in the UK is out there and knows that PT will be playing in > their area soon - go and see them! I think you will not be > disappointed! > > > > Where can I find tour dates ? too late - the message took too long to arrive - as I was afraid it might. There's one more gig in London , Union Chapel, Islington, on 14th Nov. This might be the last time they tour here - maybe ever judging by the very poor attendance they got this time around - so catch 'em now. You may never get another chance and if there's one thing you should do in this life it's listen to a live version of Voyage 34!! > & > Why didn't PT link up with the Hawks' for the current tour ......? put it down as one of the mysteries of the universe - they were even playing at Wolverhampton on the same night!!!! Fer guidness sake - do bands not communicate with each other? Porcupine Tree and Hawkwind on a tour together have taken over as my ultimate dream gig...... sigh. It'll never happen tho...... Steve Wilson and Dave Brock - you're not just talking about gulfs between them nor even continental drift - more like intergalactic space rifts - it would never, ever, work!! Sadly. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Nov 11 04:14:32 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:14:32 -0700 Subject: WTB: Eloy Message-ID: Hi! Looking (again) for Eloy's "Dawn" on CD. New or good used ok-E-mail me please:) Rock on Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool On 07 Nov 11:30, Jon Browne wrote: > How long was Stonehenge '84 then? > Anyone else there? Anyone remember how long they played for? Anyone > remember anything? It's all a bit a blur now.... I remember some guy wandering around selling stuff: "Acid. Get yer acid here! Acid! Amyl! Rolls! Sandwiches! ...uh, mostly acid, actually!" Musicwise, the Hawks came on around 8ish and played a couple of hours. My girlfriend, who had promised not to say anything rude about them, didn't know which band had come on stage, and asked "Who are these wallies?". Then the Enid played a set, and I don't remember much after that. Two days later I drove home. I thought I wasn't stoned (which I wasn't relative to many many other people), until 5 minutes had passed and the normal world appeared around me. Then a police car followed us for about 20 miles, which was not good for my paranoia levels. Next year the free state asserted itself and beat everybody up. I'm glad I made it in the year I did. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 11 08:27:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:27:15 -0500 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: i tried this, and yes, one fell behind the other. i also tried synching griffins live chronicles cd with castle's, and noticed they they sounded completely different. different highs and lows, over-all tone. it lasted a couple of minutes, sounded really cool, but that soon lost sync as well. (not to mention track differences.) i also noticed little guitar tricks in the griffin cd that i was unable to detect in earlier versions. rj > Incidentally, has anyone else ever tried synching the CD to the video? > Assuming my video and CD play at the correct speed, there are some > interesting tempi differences between the two - someone somewhere has > meddled with the tape speeds! > > Thanks for any answers, > > Mark From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 11 08:27:28 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:27:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: <199711111150.LAA29258@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711111150.LAA29258 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >Two days later I drove home. I thought I wasn't stoned (which I wasn't >relative to many many other people), until 5 minutes had passed and the >normal world appeared around me. Then a police car followed us for about >20 miles, which was not good for my paranoia levels. After spending 30 days on site, just walking on pavement/concrete/tarmac felt incredibly strange (man!) -- Jon From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Nov 11 07:59:23 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:59:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ozrics Message-ID: Hej, Is no one on the list going to see (and record) the Ozrics. Here is remainder of their UK tour: 12-Nov-1997 Reading Alleycat Live 13-Nov-1997 London Electric Ballroom 14-Nov-1997 Ipswich Carribean Centre 15-Nov-1997 Maidstone Union Bar 16-Nov-1997 Southend Esplande 17-Nov-1997 -off- 18-Nov-1997 -off- 19-Nov-1997 Plymouth Cooperage 20-Nov-1997 Exeter Lemon Grove 21-Nov-1997 Portsmouth Wedgewood Rooms 22-Nov-1997 Oxford Zodiac 23-Nov-1997 Bristol Bierkeller 24-Nov-1997 -Off- 25-Nov-1997 Dudley JBs 26-Nov-1997 Aberystwyth Arts Centre 27-Nov-1997 Dublin Mean Fiddler 28-Nov-1997 Belfast The Empire 29-Nov-1997 Manchester University -MDH 30-Nov-1997 Milton Keynes Woughton Centre Scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 11 09:32:13 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:32:13 +0800 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: >i tried this, and yes, one fell behind the other. i also tried synching >griffins live chronicles cd with >castle's, and noticed they they sounded completely different. different >highs and lows, over-all tone. >it lasted a couple of minutes, sounded really cool, but that soon lost sync >as well. (not to mention >track differences.) >i also noticed little guitar tricks in the griffin cd that i was unable to >detect in earlier versions. >rj So, it appears that the video may even be a different recording to the CD. What I would have liked to have seen is the CD released in an enhanced version, with the live tracks playable on video for those with the technology (Love In Space could have been like that as well!). Of course it would all have to be in stereo. What HW videos are actually in stereo? Is it only Live Legends & Love In Space? William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 10:55:03 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:55:03 GMT Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:11:03 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > It's me again > > I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- > 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? Dave Berry posted something on this. Was it true or a windup Dave? > 2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? No. It could be the single version without the vocals and guitar. Gotta check. > and finally > 3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being > recorded when Alan was still in the band? Ya gots me there. > William FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 10:56:12 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:56:12 GMT Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: christian's message of Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:50:01 +0100 Message-ID: christian writes: > > The wisdom of Bob. Bob.... hmmm, there's begining to be a > >certain kind of Sub-genius ring about all of this...... Now if I can only > >find some kind of mention of slack in Captain Lockheed.... > "You lack slack, Jack of Shadows" > "You lack slick, Nik" > "You lick Dik, Mik" > "There's only one course of slack-tion left for me to take. i've tried > every slack selection, lost control & got sick" Isn't that from the Xist In Search of Space album from the Universe Next Door? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 10:57:30 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:57:30 GMT Subject: HW: Taxi.... In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Tue, 4 Nov 1997 03:44:21 +1100 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Hello out there in New HW album land, > > What I want to know, for obvious reasons, is what the song "Taxi > for Max" is like. Lyrics, theme, etc? Ummmm, is mine the only album with 10 tracks and Taxi For Max (or the previous track) is missing? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 10:58:47 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:58:47 GMT Subject: HW: Live and Kicking In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:40:15 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > At 10:11 04/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > >In article <3.0.1.32.19971102163848.006ad13c at mcmail.com>, Chris > >Warburton writes > >>At 15:53 03/11/97 -0000, AndyG wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>Who was it turned up on bass at the end? Our best guess was Dumpy? > >>> > >> > >>John McCoy of course - slapheads of the world unite! > > > > > >of Gillan > McCoy ? > >-- > >Jon Browne > > > > Well, I was pretty stoned, but I don't know any other bass-players that > look even remotely like that! > > ChrisW > > ObWaitingToPlay: Spiritualized/Ladies & Gentlemen... & Hawkwind/Distant > Horizons > From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Nov 11 11:07:59 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:07:59 GMT Subject: HW: Taxi.... Message-ID: Mike, You're not the only one ! I noticed my cd had only 10 tracks last night. What I took to be Taxi.. was the last minute or so of track 10. Thanks for raising this, as I would have forgotten about it. cheers, Neil. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 11 11:13:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:13:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Taxi.... In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Tue, 11 Nov 97 15:57 +0000 Message-ID: On 11 Nov 15:57, M Holmes wrote: > Max Wilcox writes: > > > What I want to know, for obvious reasons, is what the song "Taxi > > for Max" is like. Lyrics, theme, etc? > > Ummmm, is mine the only album with 10 tracks and Taxi For Max (or the > previous track) is missing? I assume that it is an indexing error, with tracks 10 and 11 run together. This makes the whistling and smashing noises the (very short) Taxi for Max, with LIS following immediately after. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 11 11:15:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:15:00 +0000 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Tue, 11 Nov 97 15:55 +0000 Message-ID: On 11 Nov 15:55, M Holmes wrote: > > I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- > > 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? > > Dave Berry posted something on this. Was it true or a windup Dave? I did mail a reply to Max's message. Maybe JANET threw it away en route to you? Here it is again, FWIW. Dave. On 03 Nov 17:11, William Duffy wrote: > I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- It's called "Distant Horizons", it's by Hawkwind, and the track list is: Distant Horizons Good, half ambient/half guitar. Phetamine Street Good, very punky. Waimea Canyon Drive Poor, although some good guitar towards the end. Alchemy Good, a welcome increase in pace. Reminds me a little of Sabbath. Clouded Vision Good, ballad-y. Could do with an extra 30 secs of guitar at the end. Reptoid Vision Excellent. This will be a classic. Population Overload OK, but out of place here. Wheels Very good, rocky. Kauai Short ambient piece, good. Taxi For Max Short fun number, good. Love In Space Instrumental version of the HW song. OK, but out of place here. > 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? The forthcoming one? Who knows? Some of the tracks (Waimea Canyon Drive, Population Overload, Love In Space) sound to me that they would fit better on a PW album, but that's just my opinion. Oddly enough, the title track also sounds a bit like a Psychedelic Warlords track, but fits this album very well. > 2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? No. Leastwise, I don't remember the PW track sounding remotely like this. > 3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being > recorded when Alan was still in the band? I've no idea, I'm afraid. > William Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 11:17:09 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:17:09 GMT Subject: LYRICS: Clouded Vision Message-ID: First attempt at the new lyrics on Distant Horizons. We need 'em for the lyrics archive so if anyone wants to help then just send best attempts and we'll probably figure 'em out on a joint effort. Ron's stream of conciousness stuff based on the Book of Revelations in Reptoid Vision could be kinda interesting. FoFP Anyway, here's Clouded Vision: Although I look with clouded vision On a stormy atmosphere With sources of the world of divination Where do we go from here? Terror is not the answer Though it is a shame to see Will I ever discover What lies in store for me? Though darkness is a major investment >From companies that have much to gain Fire and demonstrations It's all happening again I know a dozen victims But I still cannot seem to find That elusive question Once alive within your mind From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 11 11:43:09 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:43:09 +0000 Subject: HW : Live 74 out on Monday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:18 10/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >It's a definate. I've just been told my copy's in the post. >Thery're finished. They exist. They should be no delays with this one. > >Hopefully, I'll get mine by the end of the week (review copy) so I'll >post as soon as I've spun it. I've had tapes (albeit in a disorganised >form over 2 x C90's) of this show for a couple of years and they sound >great, I mean REALLY great, before any remastering, so I can't wait to >hear this. If this sounds like i'm expecting this really is a dream LP, >esp. for you UA-era-centrics. That's meeee, that's meeeeeee ChrisW ObLP: The Music Improvisation Company Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 11 12:05:40 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:05:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Whitesnake In-Reply-To: <199711102306.XAA01057@mn1.swip.net> Message-ID: At 23:05 10/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >I know that this is way off, but I feel I have to share this with you... > >I went to see David Coverdale and Whitesnake (well David Coverdale & Co, >not one single member is left since 1987) Friday night (Nov. 7) here in >Stockholm. It's supposed to be their "fairwell" tour (have we heard it >before? Quo in 1984, for example...) >-- snip--< My wife once sat next to David Coverdale on a flight to St. Petersburg (Russia, that is) - "Not a very interesting man, actually" *g* ChrisW P.S. She said Aerosmith's guitar player was "more fun" - he wanted to go and see Peter the Great's Museum of curiosities (pickled two headed foetuses &c.) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 11 11:54:33 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:54:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971110183905.006bda88@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsu rf.de> Message-ID: My memories pretty hazy on this, but going back to the original point of "mega long gigs".. >What about that: Just add the tape from 20.06.1984 (late evening) to the >tape 21.06.1984 (very early morning) and you have that extreme long gig >you're talking about: 110 min + 55 min = 165 min > >The 2nd part (21.06.1984) contains indeed some jamming > > >Bernhard > I have a memory of an interview with Brock (probably in "Sounds") where he talked about the set that they played "outside" the Isle of Wight festival. I got the impression that they played pretty much all afternoon & into the early evening, and he talked about having to leave the stage at one time because all of the electronic sounds and the ring-modulated guitar were driving him crazy. I think he said that he just handed hi guitar to the nearest person & took a walk. I wish I could say that I'd been there ... ChrisW From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 11 11:47:56 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:47:56 -0000 Subject: HW: Taxi.... Message-ID: > Ummmm, is mine the only album with 10 tracks and Taxi For Max (or the > previous track) is missing? > > FoFP My guess was that tracks 9 and 10 on the sleeve are actually track 9 on the CD, with "Kauai" being the dreamy instrumental, and "Taxi for Max" the half-a-minute whistly bit at the end? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Tue Nov 11 12:15:15 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:15:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Taxi.... Message-ID: > > Ummmm, is mine the only album with 10 tracks and Taxi For Max (or > the > > previous track) is missing? > > > > FoFP > >My guess was that tracks 9 and 10 on the sleeve are actually track 9 on the >CD, with "Kauai" being the dreamy instrumental, and "Taxi for Max" the >half-a-minute whistly bit at the end? Mines only got 10 tracks on it as well. Caused some confusion to start with. Blinding album though, the best thing that they've done for ages and the songs work well live as well. Richard. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 12:44:56 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:44:56 GMT Subject: HW: Jerry Richards, Lemmy, Sator Codex In-Reply-To: Ola Nyberg's message of Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:57:46 +0100 Message-ID: Ola Nyberg writes: > Dear Hawkfrendz, > > --- Jerry Richards --- > Is there somebody out there in Hawkland who can help me out here... see Bernard's reply! > --- Lemmy --- > There's been a rumour that Lemmy would team up with the Hawks for a > couple of dates on the current UK tour, since Motorhead are/were touring > England's green and pleasant land at the same time. > > Anybody know if Lemmy showed up this time around? He was supposed to join them in Edinburgh but was "unwell" although I understand that Brock was through in Glasgow the next night to see Motorhead play there. We were hoping that Lemmy might join the Hawks in London but there was no sign of him then either so...... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 11 12:06:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:06:24 EDT Subject: OFF: Whitesnake Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > > My wife once sat next to David Coverdale on a flight to St. Petersburg > (Russia, that is) - "Not a very interesting man, actually" *g* > > ChrisW Jeez, where'd you find a wife like that? If my wife sat next to a 'hunk' like DC on the plane, I'd be hearing about it for years... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Nov 11 13:13:06 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:13:06 -0500 Subject: HW: nova drive Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > Here's the whole story, the best there is anyway, of the "Nova Drive" CD-Rs. > The first was Nova Drive. > Next was Timeless Paeans From The Ongoing Rituals Of Space. > Next: Corridor Of Flame, versions 1 and 2: > Then, I tried The A Files > Due to a friendly (!) conversation with Doug Smith, this was the end = > of the not-for-profit, completely fan-based distribution of CD-R's So this means that there is no hope of me obtaining any of these CDs? :( MWood NP: _Future Reconstructions: Ritual of the Solstice_ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 13:39:57 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:39:57 GMT Subject: HW: Dug smith or no dug smith? + spring tour Message-ID: Hi Had a great gig at Swindon last night. Really good. Any way according to someone I met waiting to meet the band he said that someone told him DUG SMITH HAD BEEN SCAKED!!! Don't know if this is actually true or not but according to what he heard Hawkwind were not happy that Dug Smith did not put space head on as the support and so they sacked him! Any one know any more? After all they scaked him once already. MAy be it's a scandlous rumor or may be it's ture! Also John was speaking to the lady who runs the stalls and she said they might be touring in Spring. When I met Richard afterwards I can't remember what he said but he certainly didn't deny it. So for now it may be on the cards but thats now things can change. I asked him if they do tour again come to Oxford and his reply was, we had some problems with that one. I wonder if that was due to promoters because it was moved around a bit. So now having seen Hawkwind twice in my life it's time to see them again I think. Let's hope something happens soon. After all I'm a lot young than brock and have missed out on about 29years of them live! Timmy Langner From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 11 13:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:40:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's mail of Tue, 11 Nov 97 14:59 +0200 Message-ID: On 11 Nov 12:59, Scott Heller wrote: > Is no one on the list going to see (and record) the Ozrics. I saw them in Edinburgh, but didn't record them. This was the best I've ever seen them, partly because their drummer had food-poisoning, and they had some teething problems with the lights. After their first number, the drummer was feeling too ill to play, so while he was ministered to by a healer, the others played a very spacey number on just synths and flute. This, and an occasional problem with their lights, provided a bit more variety than the Ozrics usually deliver. The rest of the set was excellent too. They were really together, the lights were good, and the sound was crystal-clear. Their last two numbers really crunched, again providing needed variety. This is the first year in which I've enjoyed an Ozrics gig more than a Hawkwind gig (although both gigs seem to have been exceptions to the rest of the tours). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 13:53:43 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:53:43 GMT Subject: Swindon + sound check + tapes Message-ID: Hi all I've got tapes of the oxford zodica and swindon wyvern teather concerts if any one wants a copy. I'm intersted mainly in trading for other great hawkwind gigs but will copy them for people if they provide the psotage and stuff. Oxford is about a rating of 3/3+ and Swindon is about 3. I also have the harvey bainbridge sets from both nights whihc were not the same, unlike a certain big band. Well they didn't play raptiod visions at oxford so I suspose that is different. :(((( Also I got to the swindon gig to hear the crew sound check so I left after a while and debating wetehr I should return to ask if hawkwind had sound check. I decided ask or I'll never know. So I asked and they said sound checking all afternoon but I kenw most of that was sound crew. then suddenly I heard the sounds of that fansty tihngy of wihc I don't have a title and off hawkwind went. So I rush over to the door because it's got glass in the middle and watched the sound check. Not allowed in!!! Oh and taped it! However after a while someone came out and when he went back in he clsoed the curtains. Stupid tour people!! No fun. So I just listened instead. Any way they did that fansty song first followed by assault and battery which was very different. Half the time it was judt crum on kebyaords and band singing either that or the band sung solo. They keept repeating the verses as well. No guitar solo either. Dave started filming the band and some lady was filming whilst he joined in and stuff. Then dave joined in on gutiar and they did a guitar bit to it but still not like live. since osme times they would cut out and the drums where not playing fully. Sort of mucking arond as sometimes crum would stop and leave them sining or they stop sining and let Jerry do it. Very interesting. And nice to see ron without his make up on and stuff, oh and to see the band playing!! Too many strobes normaly. After doing that extended assault abd battery they did a bit of a song which may be wheels but not totaly sure. A solo bit. Heard them do it at Oxford when sound checking before but I was outside. I did tape that as well but only heard that bit and I was feather away but could be heard. Any way after that bit which I reconise but can't exactly place the song. They did wheels. Cutting out as the drums start a new pattern and razzi would join in. One member stops and they all stop. Usual sound check ending (not heard to many though!) Following that was Raptiod visions without captain razzi. Just Ron sining that also stoped just before the long vocal part and that was it. Now it was very annoying since I had to change sides and accerdenly hit the sopt bottom. To make it worse I ahd another tpae machine but decided no point in startign that one up now save it for concert so didn't. So I only managed to record first 2. Fansty and assault and battery. But assault was the best one to tape with raptiod visons 2nd followed by fantsy and then other 2 at end. I basied htat on how much it sounded like the gig. The gig was great so at least got a verison of raptiod visions whihc in my mind is probably one of the best new songs they're doing. Wheels is good and so is achlemy I oev those heavy guitar bits exerlent songs but raptiod visiosn ahs the edge. GReat intro and I loved it when they stop all aslers went out and then they started up again with loads of them going. Any way coming up is my fuller gig report. And views on various songs. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 14:30:35 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:30:35 GMT Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:13:45 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > I was so ill on Friday, I had a fever of 104 and was floating about two > foot over my body. Bob appeared to me in a fever vision. Flying helmet, > goggles, jodpurs and riding crop, the works. I'm sure he was giving me > some mystic key. Sadly, I could not understand a word of it. > Obviously, I have some work to do before I'm ready to recieve the wisdom > of Bob, but wherever he is, he's looking good, I can tell you that... Wow - Welcome back from Out of the Shadows! I'm sure there must be safer ways of trying to get authentic sounding versions of Calvert's lyrics. Take care! jill (now somewhat relieved to escape from London with only a cold!) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 14:55:33 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:55:33 GMT Subject: HW: Gig report, Oxford, Zodica Message-ID: Hi Hawkwind: live 8/11/97 OXford Zodica with insomlica supprting That is what I knew the gig as the day before. My ticket said on it 29th septemebr 1997 No. 3. I knew the tickets had to be out sometime so didn't wait for Hawkwind to up date the site in septemeber. So it was fianly there. I decided to go to the place to see what was going on. First great news was that havry bainbridge was now on support. Bad news was that I wasn't allowed into the sound check. For health and safty reasons?!! In fact even realtives or friends and not allowed in at the Zodica. Tour bus was there. look jut like the one on the front of my Albert King blues record. So I went home to repair one of my tape recorders. decided not to work but I got ti workign in the end but don't know what I did. I tried to rbing 2 machisn to concerts so I didn't miss a note of the gig. I only lvei 10mins away so went back again to hear the badn sounding checking upstairs. Not that loud but I could hear it and my tape recorder picked something up. It was a bit of an insturmental song which I think I reocnsiged bu not sure. Waited around for 2hours incae any one came out. I think ricahrd did but with his jumper on and ahving never seen the band in eprson before I wondered if it was just someone who looked like him. Wasn't sure so didn't ask for his autogrpah. Perpahs I should have, but I got it at Swindon any way. 2 big surcity men when going in and I was sure they would check me and find the tapes but they didn't. The lcub isself can't hold more than 400-500 nd is small. the stage itself is more for DJs than bands. with the back almsot being at the front. crum was one sdie of ricahrd and dave the other with the rest in front. No dancers tonight and the ligths were on + 2 lsaers showing 2 verisons of the smae imege on the back. Stobes adn smoke. At swindon I soon saw the lases I ahd seen on videos. seud aobut 3 to create bigger pattrsn but probably no room at Oxford. Havry came on. Started with Coded langues which was good but I didn't like the drumming pattern. He then did some speaking thing followed by some soft music. sort of thing Alan davy might play. I really liked that. Most of the time he was putting dat tapes in and changing bottons but he did play the keyboards and do some great vocals. Hasn't his hair got gray? Last vidoe I have of hm was in 1990. Also did something he called change but it incroapted mutation zone just a bit longer. Did dream work before that and others which I don't know titles of. But the best one was the soft one IMHO. IT's jsut ashame he didn't paly with hawkwind on the tour at Swindon. Some bloke said 'it was not possible on this tour but hopefuly in the future' I've got it on tpae somewhere. stupid quote. Hawkwind never stoped ajmming beause havry plaeyd with them so I'm sure he could ajmm along but no it was not to be. May be he will play with them in the future. But what hawkwidn need is aconvention simalr to the 85 one where they get huw, Nik, alan and garvry and if possible simon hosue and any other sle around. Steve Sindalls wirtes for time out so could probabyl fins him easily. And they should all do solo bits nad stuf over 2 days followed by a hugh monster jam. Oh and invet crumn and razzi to bring up the numbers. Crum is good and razzi might not spoil the songs. Next hawkwind came on. And they did just that. Dave saying hello and then the short intro started for a great version of wheels. Well actualy Swindon one was better but this wasn't bad. I actulay like this song and can't fualt captina razzi in it either. I'm currently listening to warriors. Now that was good but the echo on the voice was better at Swindon but still more keyboards than on the manchsetr and moorecombe ones they put on the net. As for the mixing. Well I heard the bass the drums, the guitar solos. In fact I heard it all fine. Whatever the problmes they had must have been sorted out. Being a club I think they tunred the bass drum up becuase it was quite loud and the wooden floor was shaking to it as everyone in danced. Althouhg it didn't sound so loud on the tapes at the gig it remained he of the dance records and I hate dance records. So I got a bit put off my that. Assault and battery was good. great bass at the start and jet it was even louder at Swindon. Of course golden void was good. Longer intro before dave sung as he fiddled with his keybaord settings. So then it was that hassan I shaba which was good. Ron pointed out that it looked a bit hot. Then we got a version of sapce is their (plastine). Great song .... generaly!!! but not here and certianly not with captian razzi. Ruined it. In fact at the end of it when they great keybaord pattern started up again I couldn't hear it very well. The tune they sing or half sing over it isn't that bad but I like the song without it. But the backing noises which dave did was good. Sort of wyhing sound. I actualy think that the middle bit of Hassan I shaba should be played and then the band should go back into sapce si their (palstine) then end the song. It's abit sort of just put in their and not on it's own like it use to be in the 70s. Did that fansty song. Is okay but I don't like the drumming pattern which is in it. It's a drum manchine but they CAN produce noises I like. At least ricahrd did some good bongo drumming in space is their but he then cut in the bass durm which was turned up loud and the song started to sound to techno dancy for me. So then we got alchmey which was good. I like this one. Most band if they count a song in do it every night but not hawkwind. No tonight they dicded after hitting the hit hat and sutff to count and then do the gutiar solo bit before getting heavy. Worked very well but they didn't do it at Swindon or any other gigs I've heard. So then we had love in sapce which I like and think Captain razzi does fine with his one. Good song nice keybaords on it. So then it was one song which can't be classed as rubbish .... Aerospace age infrno. Reminds me of pxr5 or peprahs I should say PXR 5 reminds me of this song. That ended and after a short gap we got sonic attack. The last version for that song I heard had sonic attack starting towards end of aerospace age and at Swindon they ended areo (Differently to oxford) and the keybaords stayed on and ron started. So sonic attack was okay. Your 90s verison based on 70s version and I find the best versions were from the 80s. The hammersmith gig broadcast on raido 1 in 1988 was the best version I've heard. After that we got blue skin which rocks. Then brainstorm which was good without the narartion (with camrea that could lie backing) I don't like this. I hate the backing it ruins bainstorm. brainstorm should be one compelte song sounds better but the 2 halfs were good. Thw Swindon version was different to the oxford one had a bass solo bit. Not a technical one just ron on his own. Next it was time for my favourit song. Raptiod visiosn to start the encore but no chance. All conerts must end at 10pm because their's a dance club afterwards from 11pm so they missed it out and staretd with star flight. Ron intorudced Mr Dibbs(?) on bass from space head. Have some album out or something. Poitned out that the new album cover for hawwind was crass and had nothing to do with them. Starflihgt was intersting, for half of the mixng people forgot to add the effects for their vocals. Next ricahrd drumed into ejection. Great song with great middle. altough I really love the speaking by ron it. I did perfer the vserion at manchester with just backing but still good any way and nothing like sapce is their which got totaly ruined. Then there was a long feedback bit as Mr Dibbs handed back ron his bass and the the dumrs crashed into song of the germlin. This is one is nice. Any one else aplyed it to their mum or granny or some like that. My mum said it was awful but then she does lsitne to jim reves and nat king cole. Ron was in a lower key than I had heard perviosuly but that didn't matter it. IT was all over. I didn't enjoy it as much as I thought but thats due to an over loud bass drum but listening back to the tapes of the show I enjoyed it more and certainly enjoyed Swindon. Which is coming up next (don't worry I'll make it a lot shorter beuase although the songs don't sound the same a lot was simlar.) Timmy Langner One happy hawkwind fan having finaly seen them! From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 15:15:14 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:15:14 GMT Subject: HE: Swindon Message-ID: Hi Just like to apologise for not spell checing my last posting I send it by mistake when I hadn't spell checked it. Swindon 10/11/97 last night of the tour. I often hoped last night meant the band would do a bit more because it was the last night and might as well have some fun with it but no chance. All songs were the same order as everywhere else. Sound check was nice (see pervious posting on that) This time Crum was next to Dave and they had a dancer. She came on during golden void, space is their Palestine and the rest of assassins of Allah. After that it was just the band and captain razzi. Songs were good. wheels, assault and battery were better than Oxford but he intro in golden void was shorter. Shame! I enjoyed the rest of the songs but wondered. Who does sonic attack main vocals? Tonight was differently Brock but at Oxford I thought it was Ron. Any way that was fine. Best song of the night? Hmm difficult but at the current time it may be raptiod visions. Warriors was good and so was golden void and of course brainstorm but I like the intro and verse to raptoid bu that now. Oh I forgot to mention song of the gremlin that was just as good as raptiod. And so was aerospace age inferno. so at least 3 favourites there but I've heard the other favourites before and can find better versions from pervious tours So after it all I waited around to meet the band. Not allowed back stage so had to wait outside. so I waited and waited. Richard came past because since I had only seen the band live twice and seen him in the distance I was totally sure if it was him so I didn't ask for his autograph but I got it later any way. Other Someone else was around he left and then someone else came along. Richard and a load of the crew got chucked out. Any way I didn't wait around after that. left to go home and do some course work at the B&B (couldn't get train back). to hand in for today. Oh and I stuck on my Hawkwind tapes. from everyone dancing madly at oxford to people sitting down most of gig at Swindon. at oxford Richard chadwick was amongst the crowd for Harvey's set but I wasn't sure if it was him then or just some band crew. But of course harder to do that at Swindon since seating. Timmy Langner An even happier Hawkwind fan than the on who was already happy having seen them for first time. Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 15:32:07 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:32:07 GMT Subject: OFF: postings (Forward) Message-ID: >>Apparently JANET has choked to death - so you probably won't get this >>message either! Something about 85% packet loss I'm told so I guess >>quite a few messages may be lost in the system somewhere. >> >>jill > >Seems a likely scenario - I've had no problems with Mercury at all. > >ChrisW Thank you Looks like I'll just have to hope they solve the problem and read 4 day old messages. Still if the internet didn't exsit I would have never heard about this hawkwind tour or anything much else about them. In fact it was only aobut 1 year later that I found they had an album out called Alien. Our price decided in Haywards Ehath only to stock lvei conricals. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Nov 11 15:33:10 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:33:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 11/10/97 at 10:23 AM, Jon Browne said: >In article <971108183355_-1460026418 at mrin85.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart > writes >>Just saw an advert for a Spiritualized show in NYC for Dec. >>Ive heard alot off good things but never heard them, or their music >>described. >>What's the deal? >Check out albums : >Pure Phase >Lazer Guided Melodies >ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space ] I just picked up Lazer Guided Melodies. Are the other two similar sounding? I kind of like them, they remind me a little of Bill Laswell. Jerry ObCD Phish: slip, stitch, and pass -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 15:40:22 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:40:22 GMT Subject: Distanct horzions (Forward) Message-ID: but maybe they found >that they weren't selling enough for it to be worthwhile? > >Dave. >-- Britina buys 1/3 of european vyinal output so they must sell something. simple answer realsie fewer after all it's supply and demand if they issued it by mail order I'm sure they'd hit the right atrget.. besides I ahve jet to see the warrior album put on CD with a sheild. When they do it will be fairly small. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 11 16:15:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:15:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree tour In-Reply-To: <199711110158.BAA20725@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Why am I the only person in the universe who just finds PT immensely overrated? I mean, I TRY, I really WANT to like them!! I really like spacey music, but what I have (The Sky Moves Sideways, Up The Down Stair and Signify) do, more or less, NOTHING for me. I hear their early stuff, like the Tarquin's Seaweed Farm tape(s) and On The Sunday Of Life may be more up my alley though. In what way are they different? The PT stuff I have strikes me as somewhat... without substance, and at times, off-mark attempts at psychedelia, just sorta la-la-ladi-da... whatever etc.!?? Help! Christian ObSpacerockCD: Jessamine - Another Fictionalized History From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 11 16:19:49 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:19:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <199711112032.PAA05750@berry.epix.net> Message-ID: At 15:33 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >In , on 11/10/97 at 10:23 AM, > Jon Browne said: >>Check out albums : > >>Pure Phase >>Lazer Guided Melodies >>ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space ] Jerry Guizar wrote: > I just picked up Lazer Guided Melodies. Are the other two similar >sounding? I kind of like them, they remind me a little of Bill Laswell. I only have LGM, but I strongly suggest picking up something by Spacemen 3 (J. Pierce's old band w/Sonic Boom) - the "Singles" EP collection on Taang! comes highly recommended as a primer - awesome stuff. Just beware of below standard demo and live material of SM3 stuff. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 11 16:26:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:26:28 +0100 Subject: HW: need that LiS EP, folks... In-Reply-To: <199711112032.PAA05750@berry.epix.net> Message-ID: If any UK'ers find any extra copies of the LiS EP I will gladly pay up/trade something, in addition to doing a strange little ceremonial jig of joy around my ever growing pile of Hawkwind junk in their honor. Kind souls may email me.... :) Christian From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Nov 11 17:07:25 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:07:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: Hi, Well, I've been wonderin' for some time now, what does ObCD actually means ? I think I get the point but... Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Nov 11 17:07:21 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:07:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: John, Besides Shooting Shark, the BDB also played In Thee, and then there's that two minute solo during the first set of credits (That's from the show, too:-) chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Miracles DO Happen, Take One From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 11 17:42:43 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:42:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:07 11/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > > Well, I've been wonderin' for some time now, what does ObCD actually means ? >I think I get the point but... > >Kenneth Look, you Swedes always nosy around so much. Just stop whining and do it, ok? I've no idea what it means, but do it any way. It's what the "cool", the "hip", and the right-on groovy "in-crowd" do here on BOC-L. :) Christian ObCD: Kevin Ayers _Singing The Bruise_ ...see??? From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 11 17:46:45 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:46:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Whitesnake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: theo wrote: >> From: Chris Warburton >> >> My wife once sat next to David Coverdale on a flight to St. Petersburg >> (Russia, that is) - "Not a very interesting man, actually" *g* >> >> ChrisW >Jeez, where'd you find a wife like that? If my wife sat next to a >'hunk' like DC on the plane, I'd be hearing about it for years... I would never hear the last of it if she sat next to Michael Palin on a flight - she thinks sex oozes out of every pore of him! ChrisW From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 11 18:13:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:13:56 +0100 Subject: HW: UK online CD mailorder?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971111224645.006a0cc0@mcmail.com> Message-ID: Looking for well stocked UK answer to CDWorld/CDnow etc. Are there any ones to recommend? The only UK mailorder I use is Blackmail which stock alot of prog/psych reissues but not much new. Need to get the new HW (& other UK CDs)! Christian From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 11 18:41:29 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:41:29 -0500 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: there is nothing on the whitezone that even remotely resembles hw's love in space. IMO, of course. rj M Holmes wrote: > William Duffy writes: > > > It's me again > > > > I now know it's credited to HW. My questions now are:- > > 1 Does this contain tracks from the PW album? > > Dave Berry posted something on this. Was it true or a windup Dave? > > > 2 Is the version of LIS the same one from the previous PW album, White Zone? > > No. It could be the single version without the vocals and guitar. Gotta check. > > > and finally > > 3 What is the line-up for the next PW album, as I believe it was being > > recorded when Alan was still in the band? > > Ya gots me there. > > > William > > FoFP From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 11 18:46:11 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:46:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Whitesnake Message-ID: > > From: Chris Warburton > > > > My wife once sat next to David Coverdale on a flight to St. Petersburg > > (Russia, that is) - "Not a very interesting man, actually" *g* > > > > ChrisW well, of course she would SAY that... ;)rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 11 18:52:59 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:52:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: this question gets asked about every six months... i may be wrong, but someone said here once that it was originally from news groups and was used to make an other-wise off topic post a little less annoying. it meant something like OB-ligatory content or somesuch. rj Christian Mumford wrote: > At 23:07 11/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > > Well, I've been wonderin' for some time now, what does ObCD actually means ? > >I think I get the point but... > > > >Kenneth > > Look, you Swedes always nosy around so much. Just stop whining and do it, ok? > I've no idea what it means, but do it any way. It's what the "cool", the > "hip", > and the right-on groovy "in-crowd" do here on BOC-L. :) > > Christian > > ObCD: Kevin Ayers _Singing The Bruise_ > > ...see??? From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 11 19:06:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:06:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: administrators address? Message-ID: anyone know BEN COHEN's address? i have something i need to forward to him. some of my posts were bounced back at me by allan grohe's mail server. these posts were to the list, and i really dont feel like dealing with the stuff just cos allan's provider is anal retentive. if ya can help, thanks. rj From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 11 20:40:49 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:40:49 GMT Subject: Calvert Newspaper article In-Reply-To: stalker's message of Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:49:41 +0100 Message-ID: stalker writes: > find the time I'll translate it - its really a good one - focussing on > Calvert's AND Hawkwind's innovative aspects - being the forerunners of > the tribal rhythms - Calvert's focus on new technologies etc. thanx - please could you translate it...I'm afraid I'm an English only person and worse...... I'm completely deprived of sound technology on my computer so I can't get to hear Calvert doing his monologue - no matter how much I may want to! If you were willing to scan the whole text in sometime I'd be really grateful! I love the way you've made available the texts that are the most inaccessible and difficult to find - this is wonderful! Very many thanks jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 12 01:04:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:04:38 +0800 Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Message-ID: >there is nothing on the whitezone that even remotely resembles hw's love in space. > Or maybe it could be said that there's nothing on the live album and the new one that resembles LIS, since the White Zone LP came it first? William From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 12 04:37:47 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:37:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Whitesnake Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > > At 23:05 10/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > >I know that this is way off, but I feel I have to share this with you... > > > >I went to see David Coverdale and Whitesnake (well David Coverdale & Co, > >not one single member is left since 1987) Friday night (Nov. 7) here in > >Stockholm. It's supposed to be their "fairwell" tour (have we heard it > >before? Quo in 1984, for example...) > >-- snip--< > > My wife once sat next to David Coverdale on a flight to St. Petersburg > (Russia, that is) - "Not a very interesting man, actually" *g* > What do you expect from a man who comes from Redcar? (As in the phrase "I wish I was dead, or lived in Redcar") :-) And whatever happened to his Northern accent? (Apologies to anyone from Redcar on the list) Cheers, Rich. ObCD: As Close As We Can Be - Intrepid Spaniels From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 12 04:46:53 1997 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:46:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > this question gets asked about every six months... > i may be wrong, but someone said here once that it was originally from news groups > and was used to make an other-wise off topic post a little less annoying. > it meant something like OB-ligatory content or somesuch. > rj > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > At 23:07 11/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > > Well, I've been wonderin' for some time now, what does ObCD actually means ? > > >I think I get the point but... > > > > > >Kenneth Wasn't it from the Internet Oracle, who demanded an obsequious (sp?) grovel ("Oh mighty Oracle, whose knowledge trancends time and space, please answer me this trivial query..." or something along those lines)? This then ended up as "Obligatory Grovel, please tell me...", then shortened to "ObGrovel". Hence Ob = Obligatory. Examples being ObCurryHouse: Stratford Tandoori ObCD: Pink Fairies - Kings of Oblivion ObThingtodowhendrunk: Go to ObCurryHouse... etc etc etc Of course, this could all be a load of foetid dingo's kidneys. Cheers, Rich. ObThingToDoOnMonday: Come to my birthday. From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Wed Nov 12 05:39:53 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:39:53 -0000 Subject: HW : Gig Review Fairfield Halls 29 October Message-ID: Hawkwind - Fairfield Halls Croydon 29th October 1997 The atmosphere in the hall was pretty laid back. It was only 1/2 full and I couldn't see any security present. This meant that you had lots of freedom to wander about wherever you wanted to. I spent most of my time standing down at the front which was laid back and uncrowded. Someone later remarked that the atmosphere was very much like the early gigs. The stage set was pretty basic, a few lights and some images projected at the back of the stage. Mr Brock spent most of his time behind the keyboards, only venturing out occasionally to play the odd bit of guitar. Ron is certainly a lot more visible than Alan was, standing right at the front of the stage most of the time. Capt Rizz came on every so often but there was no sign of Lemmy. The music was brilliant, particular highlights were 'Golden Void', 'Reptoid Vision' and 'Assassins'. I also enjoyed some of the techno-ish stuff that they played. All in it was a very enjoyable evening. P.S I saw somewhere that there is a solstice party on 22 December at which Hawkwind are playing. Does anyone know anymore details ? Richard. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 04:33:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:33:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <199711112032.PAA05750@berry.epix.net> Message-ID: In article <199711112032.PAA05750 at berry.epix.net>, Jerry Guizar writes >>Pure Phase >>Lazer Guided Melodies >>ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space ] > > I just picked up Lazer Guided Melodies. Are the other two similar >sounding? I kind of like them, they remind me a little of Bill Laswell. Pure Phaze is very similar, maybe a little more ambient, but just a tad. Floating In Space is a bit more structured with a couple more songs, and the inspirational influence coming a little more to the fore. Their version of "Oh Happy Day" has been stuck in my head all morning. Shame it's not been released on anything. I just picked up a cool Spiritualized 12" of just Pure Phaze tones. It has 8 tracks which are just phasing frequencies. It can be played at either speed (so it's 16 tracks really.) It's really for DJ's to mix live, but on it's own it's just a 0bpm float. Nice! -- Jon Browne From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 06:36:06 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:36:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge '84 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Like I said ...... I was aware that > at least one other band came on i.e. Cardiacs and did a show at sometime > during the night, > I'm also 100% it was daylight at the beginning. > Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any > part/s of HW come on and play? My recollection is vague as well, but I know that The Enid also played during the night, and I think they came on immediately after HW (pausing to set up lots of keyboards). HW's morning set was without Huw, and was in daylight (well, according to the photos I've got). I guess that HW would have only had time for 2 sets with the cardiacs and the enid playing through the night. If they started as night was falling (they certainly set up in daylight) and started the dawn set around sunrise then if the 2 other bands are taken account of the HW playing bit during the shortest night cannot have been much over 2 hours and 1 hour Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 05:10:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:10:44 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND MEGA UPDATE In-Reply-To: <199711111930.TAA24955@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711111930.TAA24955 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Jon Browne writes: > >> I was so ill on Friday, I had a fever of 104 and was floating about two >> foot over my body. Bob appeared to me in a fever vision. Flying helmet, >> goggles, jodpurs and riding crop, the works. I'm sure he was giving me >> some mystic key. Sadly, I could not understand a word of it. >> Obviously, I have some work to do before I'm ready to recieve the wisdom >> of Bob, but wherever he is, he's looking good, I can tell you that... > >Wow - Welcome back from Out of the Shadows! I'm sure there must be >safer ways of trying to get authentic sounding versions of Calvert's >lyrics. Take care! > >jill (now somewhat relieved to escape from London with only a cold!) this was posted 8 or 9 days ago, Jill, how many posts have you been getting recently? Did you miss my sad fumbling with my ailing memories of Henge '84? I only ask because it seems only 3 of us were there and I'm sure there were more people fessing up a couple of years back...... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 04:44:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:44:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971111221949.0075f910@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971111221949.0075f910 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >I only have LGM, but I strongly suggest picking up something by Spacemen 3 >(J. Pierce's old band w/Sonic Boom) - the "Singles" EP collection on Taang! >comes highly recommended as a primer - awesome stuff. Just beware of below >standard demo and live material of SM3 stuff. > >Christian Like "Taking Drugs To Make Music To Take Drugs To" - Sort Of Official Bootleg of early rehersal tapes, sounds like MC5 or The Stooges, with a bit of Electric Prunes thrown in doing Drone Rock. Great if you like that sort of thing, but if you're not in the mood. Me, I love it! -- Jon Browne From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 08:43:24 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:43:24 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, >seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since >the last album, anyone agree ? > >Kenneth NO!! I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least it something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs beuase I'd buy it but there again it is nice to have an album of good music. But if they can make space ritual 2 albums why can't a modern day album be 2 news jsut as long. The biggest problem with ITBOTFTBD is that all the osngs were long isnturmentals. on their own most of them were very good but lumped together I got bord hereing simlar things all the time with hardly any heavy guitars on it. THe tour tohuhg was up there with the 70s ones I heard. Not saying it soudned like the early 70s but it was just a good set list with great keybaord tones. Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:00:12 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:00:12 GMT Subject: HW: Jerry Richards (Forward) Message-ID: >>How long was Stonehenge '84 then? > >Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84 Wed 110 min >Stonehenge Festival 21.06.84 Thu 55 min >Stonehenge Festival 22.06.84 Fri 70 min >Bernhard Is that the full concert? After all perpahs someone didn't tape all of it? I'd also like to know how they reissued stonehenge 84 and said sometinhg like the tapes were rescued or issued before being lost or something simlar? Well what about the rest of the show was that wiped or lost? I know some already got issued in the compliation one but thats only 20mins. IMHO the whole event should have been issued. After all it was the last stonehenge festival to ever take palce and it would make a good archive to issue on that gorunds alone. Oh and I'd enjoy watching it. Timmy Langner From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:24:09 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:24:09 GMT Subject: HW:Sale In-Reply-To: Rich Lockwood's message of Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:45:43 +0000 Message-ID: Rich Lockwood writes: > Scott Heller wrote: > > > > I just wanted to let everyone know that Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes > > is trying to raise money to replace his worn out synthesizer and he is > > selling some of his massive music collection. He will sell his complete HW > > collection, which includes all the lps from the 70's, some ep's, boot lps, > > etc.. as well as a complete Peter Hammill-VDGG set of 40 lps in a box that > > was used by Peter Hamill himself. He is also selling some synth equipment. > > I will post more details soon. If you have his phone number you can give > > him a call. 718-723-1662 (NYC) If anyone is calling him from the US then I'd be interested in either or both Hassan I Sabha singles and the Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP. I'm willing to pay the ridiculous prices I know these items will command if not the price to make a phone call to the US.... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:26:42 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:26:42 GMT Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:30:31 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > How long was Stonehenge '84 then? OK, I was somewhat inebriated, it had > been nearly four weeks on site before the show on Solstice night BUT it > was definately daylight when they started, my guess around 8 o'clock. > They took a couple of breaks during the night, Cardiacs doing a show > around 2 I'll guess. I know for a fact that when the sun come up over > the heel stone, I was standing in the middle of the Stones watching the > sunrise, and the Hawks were playing Psychedelic Warlords. I thought it > was around 10 by the time they finished, making the whole effort > something around 14 hours. This is probably way out, I was in another > world that night but it was daylight when they started and daylight when > they finished, including breaks. I did miss a few chunks of the set > because I was talking to one of the dancers (the ones in white on the Do > Not Panic sleeve) and we were getting on "quite well". Alice, her name > was. > > Anyone else there? Anyone remember how long they played for? Anyone > remember anything? It's all a bit a blur now.... They played about an 80 minute set during the evening - that's the show featured on the Jettisoundz video. I do remember that the sound was far too low and there were shouted complaints about that. I also got involved with helping a young lady look for a contact lens in the crowd in the grass in the dark. This was unsuccessful. > -- > Jon Browne > Mike "Mind Your Head" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:30:57 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:30:57 GMT Subject: Jawkwind nightmares Message-ID: Weird dream last night. I was setting up a record exchange in a student union and this guy turned up with a previously unknown Church of Hawkwind LP which was a Brian Tawn release and he wouldn't sell it. Mike "Thank god it was just a dream" Holmes From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:40:49 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:40:49 GMT Subject: HW: Jerry Richards In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:08:17 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Really? Did they do some extra length jam with only a few members > afterward or something? Like I said, a) I was off my cake b) I was > otherwise distracted talking to a nice young lady and c) was aware that > at least one other band came on i.e. Cardiacs and did a show at sometime > during the night, but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic > Warlords was being played at sunrise. I'm also 100% it was daylight at > the beginning. I'm specifically talking about the Solstice night show, I > guess that must have the 20/21 Wed Evening/Thursday Morning. > I can't have been the only person on this list at this show. Anyone else > remember that night? They started just as it was getting dark. The sunrise show I mainly remember them playing Spirit of the Age while I was wandering around inside Stonehenge. Definately a moment to remember. > Jon Browne FoFP > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 09:46:51 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:46:51 GMT Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:13:02 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Jon > > Here are the track listings > > 20.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 110min > ghost dance / angels of death / born to go / paranoia / watching the grass > grow / dragons and fables / night of the hawks / utopia / social alliance / > motorway city / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / master of the > universe / ejection / uncle sam's on mars / brainstorm / sonic attack / > dust of time / brainstorm / right stuff > > 21.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 55min > instrumental / ghost dance / instrumental / only dreaming / spirit of the > age / stonehenge decoded / you shouldn't do that / brainbox pollution / > silver machine > > 22.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 70min > intro / circus / you shouldn't do that / choose your masks / oh lord / > right stuff / instrumental / brainstorm / master of the universe > > > >but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic > >Warlords was being played at sunrise. > > Are you sure that you are talking about STONEHENGE 1984 ?? > > I am sorry but HAWKWIND didn't play PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS in the year 1984. > It was a typical song of 1981,1982 and 1983 > > > > Here is the track listing of the STONEHENGE gig in 1983: > > 22.06.83, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 115min > intro / coded languages / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / > ghost dance / angels of death / utopia / psychedelic warlords / only > dreaming / motorway city / jam / silver machine / jam / brainstorm / jam / > starflight / ejection / shot down in the night / master of the universe / > spirit of the age / brainstorm > > > >Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any > >part/s of HW come on and play? > I am not certain because I wasn't there. I have only my tapes and can see > what HAWKWIND played in which year. > > But maybe I have not the complete tape from the 1st Festival day. No, you have the set right for that gig. I'm confused that Spirit of the Age isn't in the morning set but there's a reasonable chance that I'm remembering '83 as the time I heard that from the Stones. > Bernhard FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 12 10:10:00 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:10:00 GMT Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: I could assemble a decent double album from HW's 90's output, IMO. Obviously mileage will vary, but ... Hawkwind: _Milleniad_ [all tracks studio, except as noted -- as with _HotMG_ :) ] Altair Quark, Strangness, and Charm [90s version] LSD Vega Love in Space [Live] Sadness Runs Deep Alchemy Phetamine Street Secret Agent Snake Dance Mask of Morning Abducted Alien (I Am) Blue Skin Xenomorph Sputnik Stan Reptoid Vision Wheels Right to Decide Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind Unfortunately, this would have to span several lineup changes!! Cheers, Carl From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Nov 12 13:18:26 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:18:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reference in The Onion Message-ID: In this week's online edition of The Onion, a certain BOC album is mentioned. Check it out! http://www.theonion.com/onion3215/basicsofcruising.html Brian http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/index.html From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Nov 12 14:25:30 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:25:30 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: i mostly agree with tim here. i mean albums of top quality material. that's what compilations and live albums are for, right? i mean, your b-side is my a-side.... your filler may be my saving grace.. the only "filler" from hawkwind that i find bothersome has been that whitney houston rip-off on brock's solo, Strange Trips. I'm still hoping he meant that as some sick joke. ;) rj langner timothy wrote: > >So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, > >seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since > >the last album, anyone agree ? > > > >Kenneth > > NO!! > > I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least it > something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the > rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs beuase I'd buy it but there again it is nice to > have an album of good music. But if they can make space ritual 2 albums why > can't a modern day album be 2 news jsut as long. The biggest problem with > ITBOTFTBD is that all the osngs were long isnturmentals. on their own most of > them were very good but lumped together I got bord hereing simlar things all > the time with hardly any heavy guitars on it. THe tour tohuhg was up there > with the 70s ones I heard. Not saying it soudned like the early 70s but it was > just a good set list with great keybaord tones. > > Timmy Langner From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 12 13:26:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:26:41 EDT Subject: BOC radio appearance Message-ID: Our local raddio station is plugging tonight's Coke Concert Flashback show, featuring a concert by BOC! It sounds like a syndicated program to me, so check out your local 'classic rock' station and see if they're carrying it. The ad didn't provide any details, and I haven't had time to call the station for particulars. In any event, I'll be taping the show tonight, and I'll report back to yas tomorrow... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Nov 12 14:29:25 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:29:25 -0500 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: i sense an anti-bridgett person here! but at least you included vega, which was absolutely vital to this releases' lifespan. ;) rj Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I could assemble a decent double album from HW's 90's output, IMO. > Obviously mileage will vary, but ... > > Hawkwind: _Milleniad_ > > [all tracks studio, except as noted -- as with _HotMG_ :) ] > > Altair > Quark, Strangness, and Charm [90s version] > LSD > Vega > Love in Space [Live] > Sadness Runs Deep > Alchemy > Phetamine Street > Secret Agent > Snake Dance > Mask of Morning > > Abducted > Alien (I Am) > Blue Skin > Xenomorph > Sputnik Stan > Reptoid Vision > Wheels > Right to Decide > Death Trap > Wastelands > Are You Losing Your Mind > > Unfortunately, this would have to span several lineup changes!! > > Cheers, > Carl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 12 13:30:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:30:44 EDT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > From: langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> > >So what we need is albums where the artists has to pick the best, say, > >seven songs out of, say, fourteen, instead of getting the full output since > >the last album, anyone agree ? > > > >Kenneth > > NO!! > > I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least it > something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the > rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs beuase I'd buy it but there again it is nice to > have an album of good music. But if they can make space ritual 2 albums why > can't a modern day album be 2 news jsut as long. The biggest problem with > ITBOTFTBD is that all the osngs were long isnturmentals. on their own most of > them were very good but lumped together I got bord hereing simlar things all > the time with hardly any heavy guitars on it. THe tour tohuhg was up there > with the 70s ones I heard. Not saying it soudned like the early 70s but it was > just a good set list with great keybaord tones. > > Timmy Langner Tim, You are one wise individual! Consider us poor BOCers. We never get ANY records, good or shitty! At least HW, while inconsistent, continue to put out new material [or old] for their fans' consideration. I think I speak for most all BOC fans in wishing we at least had the option to trash a new album every once in a while. I'd consider myself one lucky soul if there were as many BOC albums out there to debate as there are HW... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 12 14:51:12 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:51:12 -0500 Subject: HW: DH available on-line Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just wanted to mention that I've found 'Distant Horizons' available on-line at: http://www.cdconnection.com Not an advertisement, but I will say that it is selling there for $2-3 less than other sites I've seen. Cheerio...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Life on Earth - Alien Planetscapes From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 12 15:07:21 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:07:21 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:30 12/11/97 EDT, theo wrote: > >I think I speak for most all BOC fans in wishing we >at least had the option to trash a new album every once in a while. >I'd consider myself one lucky soul if there were as many BOC albums >out there to debate as there are HW... Haha, theo! When my master plan takes effect, you too will soon be trashing HW albums with the rest of us!!! :-) Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 12 14:31:14 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:31:14 EDT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > At 14:30 12/11/97 EDT, theo wrote: > > > > >I think I speak for most all BOC fans in wishing we > >at least had the option to trash a new album every once in a while. > >I'd consider myself one lucky soul if there were as many BOC albums > >out there to debate as there are HW... > > Haha, theo! When my master plan takes effect, you too will soon be trashing > HW albums with the rest of us!!! :-) > > Christian I'm waiting with tainted breath... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 12 16:04:46 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:04:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:33 12/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <199711112032.PAA05750 at berry.epix.net>, Jerry Guizar > writes >>>Pure Phase >>>Lazer Guided Melodies >>>ladies And Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space ] Weell, I finally managed to listen to "ladies & Gentlemen.." WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ChrisW ObCD: Need I say????????????? Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 12 18:30:39 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:39 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >NO!! > >I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least it >something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the >rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs beuase I'd buy it but there again it is nice to >have an album of good music. But if they can make space ritual 2 albums why >can't a modern day album be 2 news jsut as long. The biggest problem with >ITBOTFTBD is that all the osngs were long isnturmentals. on their own most of >them were very good but lumped together I got bord hereing simlar things all >the time with hardly any heavy guitars on it. THe tour tohuhg was up there >with the 70s ones I heard. Not saying it soudned like the early 70s but it was >just a good set list with great keybaord tones. > Really Timmy, Space Ritual is a live-album, I have even heard 3 record live sets which are good from the first tone to the last. But since (almost) everyone disagrees with me I will unsubscribe and donate my taste to some scientist. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 12 18:30:49 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: >Look, you Swedes always nosy around so much. Just stop whining and do it, ok? >I've no idea what it means, but do it any way. It's what the "cool", the >"hip", >and the right-on groovy "in-crowd" do here on BOC-L. :) > >Christian Y'know Christian, in Sweden there are people who invents stuff like Surstromming and then they unleash it onto the unsuspecting population, it makes one careful, paranoid even. Just ask Sonique about Pitepalt, even if I like it I think he can understand my reasoning. Kenneth O.K. Can't resist. ObCD:Mother Gong-Fairy Tales Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 12 18:30:57 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:30:57 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. Message-ID: Hi guys an' gals, Since You are what You are You will get this at the same time as the other guys in the Moor. Fr, 9.1.98: Berlin, Trash * Sa, 10.1.98: Dresden, Schiuene * Su, 11.1.98: Hamburg, Molotow Mo, 12.1.98: Tu, 13.1.98: Prag We, 14.1.98: Prag Th, 15.1.98: N?rnberg, LGB Fr, 16.1.98: Heidelberg, Schwimmbad Club Sa, 17.1.98: Landau/Pfalz, Turnhalle * *: Support-Act "Zone Six" We're also planning gigs for april (only one booked though) Mo 6.4.98 Stockholm, Tre Backar We're trying to get a gig in Copenhagen, can anyone help us ? We are also trying to get to the U.K., these are the proposed venues in UK which seem to be very likely: Mean Fiddler, LONDON The Duchess, LEEDS Fibbers, YORK The Adelphi, HULL Anyone knows anything 'bout these places ? The songs will mainly be taken from Moor's albums and Nik's Xitintoday and unreleased Elric-songs and the HW-bit will come as the encore, at least as we plan it now. I would be very glad if those L-BOC people who will attend let themselves be known before or after the show, O.K. ? Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Nov 12 18:33:52 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:33:52 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > Really Timmy, Space Ritual is a live-album, I have even heard 3 record live > sets which are good from the first tone to the last. > > But since (almost) everyone disagrees with me I will unsubscribe and donate > my taste to some scientist. > i really hope that's a complete joke. your idea is not a bad one, but perhaps your tasteis a bit more discriminating. just about anything HW does is fine with me. i would gladly wade thru 3 bad tunes to hear one ultra tune. =) rj > Kenneth > > Bishop Garden Records > Box 747 > 521 22 Falkoping > SWEDEN > Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 > bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com > > The Moor > http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ > > This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 12 18:37:04 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:37:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: At 12:30 AM 11/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Look, you Swedes always nosy around so much. Just stop whining and do it, ok? >>I've no idea what it means, but do it any way. It's what the "cool", the >>"hip", >>and the right-on groovy "in-crowd" do here on BOC-L. :) >> >>Christian > >Y'know Christian, in Sweden there are people who invents stuff like >Surstromming and then they unleash it onto the unsuspecting population, it >makes one careful, paranoid even. > >Just ask Sonique about Pitepalt, even if I like it I think he can >understand my reasoning. > >Kenneth > Ask Christian if he likes sill! Or makrill i tomats?s! :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 12 18:43:17 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:43:17 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. Message-ID: Kenneth wrote lots of things... but it's [snipped!] without pardon: >Mo 6.4.98 Stockholm, Tre Backar > I'm hoping I'll be living in Sthlm from March... so I'll try to come and see you... You'll remind us again, won't you? -Daniel ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det g?r ?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver email ist?llet ds "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 18:41:38 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:41:38 +0000 Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) In-Reply-To: <0008zvvbrvlh.H0000d9900d73422@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: In article <0008zvvbrvlh.H0000d9900d73422 at igate.sprint.com>, "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." writes >What's the scoop on DVD? I've been told that I should probably look >into purchasing a DVD player vs. a laser disk player, since I'm thinking >of getting the latter. I'm coming in on this thread a little late since I was off-line when it started but maybe this is of interest: I have a laser disc setup and its a great medium but not without its pitfalls - the maximum side length is about 60 minutes so unless you have a dual side player, you have to physically eject the disc and turn it over. This can be a pain during a movie. Also, some discs are prone to rotting which I think is where some part of the disc starts to oxidise due to poor pressing standards. DVD does away with the side changing problem and if pressing standards are OK, wont decay. (Note that "laser rot" is not a common problem). However, my understanding of the DVD standard is that DVD discs are going to be "area coded". This means that discs pressed for the USA market will not be playable in the UK unless you illegally "fix" your DVD deck to bypass the area coding. Consequently, as I live in London and as the sort of films I am interested in watching are minority interest, I would have to hope that the film companies bother to release the titles I am after with the appropriate area coding. Currently, if you buy a dual format laser disc deck, you can play both NTSC and PAL discs without any problem (assuming your TV can handle NTSC playback). If the current catalogue of NTSC and PAL laser discs is anything to go by, the PAL compatible subset of DVD releases is going to be small. All of this depends on where you live of course and if you live in the States or Canada, then DVD will be no problem - go for it. If you live in Europe though, you will have to seriously consider the possability that you may never see the film you want made available with the relevant area code - a problem which already stated, never happens with laser disc. As regards CD compatibility, bear in mind that unless you go for a high- end DVD deck, its never going to be a match for a well designed dedicated CD player. By this, I don't mean that the CD player in comparison needs to be a bizarre expensive job - my Rotel 965BX Ltd Ed Discreet which cost about 400 is miles and miles ahead of my Pioneer CLD515 when playing CDs which also cost about 400. Overall though, my advice would be to wait. When I was in North America earlier this year, it was clear that DVD was beginning to establish a foot hold, but in Europe it has hardly made any impact at all. Therefore, let the market establish itself, wait for the prices to drop, look at the titles being released and then decide whether you want to commit yourself to the expense. Finally, there is one more factor to consider but in all reality may not be worth it. However, keep an eye on the progress of Digital Video - its prime advantage being that it is recordable which of course laser disc and DVD (currently) is not. Hope this helps and if any home cinema fanatics think the above is crap, then please say so! Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 17:55:55 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:55:55 +0000 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video In-Reply-To: <01bceeae$9a4eb1a0$373e3bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <01bceeae$9a4eb1a0$373e3bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >What HW videos are actually in stereo? Is it only Live Legends & Love In >Space? I must admit that I don't have it right to hand at present, but I always thought the Chaos video was stereo and I very tentatively think the Bristol Bike Show is. No doubt someone can confirm this (both these videos are in store so I can't check). Whilst we are on this topic, does anyone have or know about the Live Legends tape being available on Laser Disc? I have seen a Hawkwind entry listed in a catalogue but no title was shown against it. Is there anyone Stateside where LDs are more common who can add to this? Thanks, Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 18:04:47 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:04:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: This style thread often crops up in other music related groups/lists and is quite fun to participate in - if not _actually_ interesting! So, I thought I'd give it a try. To kick the ball rolling, here are a few of mine: Opening of PXR5 version of Uncle Sams on Mars, The "neck tingler" effect in Prelude from Levitation, The rising scale bass riff at the end of each chorus in Mirror of Illusion (1st album), The guitar slide and intro riff at the beginning of Damnation Alley from Quark. That'll do. Let's hear some of yours! Mark From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Nov 12 19:06:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:06:03 -0500 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: i do know that live legends is out on laserdisc. i have seen it, and was tempted to buy it even tho ive nothing to play it on. i also have a copy of live chronicles that supposedly came from a japanese laser disc. cant swear to that one, tho rj Mark Edmonds wrote: > In article <01bceeae$9a4eb1a0$373e3bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy > writes > > >What HW videos are actually in stereo? Is it only Live Legends & Love In > >Space? > > I must admit that I don't have it right to hand at present, but I always > thought the Chaos video was stereo and I very tentatively think the > Bristol Bike Show is. No doubt someone can confirm this (both these > videos are in store so I can't check). > > Whilst we are on this topic, does anyone have or know about the Live > Legends tape being available on Laser Disc? I have seen a Hawkwind entry > listed in a catalogue but no title was shown against it. Is there anyone > Stateside where LDs are more common who can add to this? > > Thanks, > > Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 12 16:26:38 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:26:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: ObCD In-Reply-To: <34697B0B.477D@geocities.com> Message-ID: In article <34697B0B.477D at geocities.com>, Rich Lockwood writes >Examples being >ObCurryHouse: Stratford Tandoori >ObCD: Pink Fairies - Kings of Oblivion >ObThingtodowhendrunk: Go to ObCurryHouse... Seriously, is "Kings of Oblivion" available on CD? I have never seen it and jealously guard my vinyl copy. Thanks if you can help on this one. Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 12 18:01:13 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:01:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 Message-ID: > I have a memory of an interview with Brock (probably in "Sounds") where he > talked about the set that they played "outside" the Isle of Wight festival. But Hendrix was "too depressed" to jam with them... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 12 19:29:30 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:29:30 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons at Tramps 11/13 Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons are playing at a benefit at Tramps in NYC Thursday, Nov. 13, tomorrow night. It's hosted by Random House and Rolling Stone Press to benefit the Susan G. Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer Research. Some of the other acts on the bill are: the Bush Tetras, Ronnie Spector, Wanda Jackson, Ruth Brown, Goldie and the Gingerbreads (featuring Genya Ravan) and Tara Key. tBS are scheduled to go on around 8:30. Tickets are $30 for a good cause. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Nov 12 19:33:33 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:33:33 -0700 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: >Whilst we are on this topic, does anyone have or know about the Live >Legends tape being available on Laser Disc? I have seen a Hawkwind entry >listed in a catalogue but no title was shown against it. Is there anyone >Stateside where LDs are more common who can add to this? I think I can: I have two Live Legends Laser Discs, one from Japan manufactured by Videoarts Japan, Inc. , catalog number VALC-3191, and the US version distributed by Image Entertainment, catalog number ID8663CA. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 12 18:32:50 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:32:50 -0000 Subject: LYRICS: Clouded Vision Message-ID: > With sources of the world of divination ?definition? > Those promises are major investments > I know a dozen victims ?reasons? I see you picked the easy one... Reptoid: The crown is written golden too late Mercury switch and the atom is split ... in your eyes Wheels of flame through the crack in the sky Set first gear.. lose Atom brain cell in a nuclear mind ... radioactive ... nuclear shockwave Reptoid vision, silicon eyes Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye ... claw is scratching my brain My feet are itching/slipping on the suicide train Daddy was a loony in the looniest way Mummy was a reptile ... ... the colour of red Reptoid insect in my head Digital crystal, scratched with the scene Escalator sidewalks, compared with our dreams Fire created the chemical motion Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean Pop Over: I had barely left home before I noticed the rush Thousands of people in a crush Forcing me to move with my arms in front of my chest A straitjacket suit, a concrete vest ... ?insane? Looking straight ahead What are you thinking of? Are we brain-dead? The world's gone cock-eyed Set to explode Automatic nucleus of DNA code Automatic everything ..accelerating ????? World of the wheel... I'm going to bed! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 12 18:02:20 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:02:20 -0000 Subject: LYRICS: Clouded Vision Message-ID: "The world's gone cock-eyed"... I'll get back to you on this! - Andy ObCD: Rammstein - _Sehnsucht_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Wed Nov 12 22:59:46 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:59:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: <5oZTEFAPYja0EwNv@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 23:04 11/12/97 +0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: >This style thread often crops up in other music related groups/lists and >is quite fun to participate in - if not _actually_ interesting! So, I >thought I'd give it a try. > Hooboy. Let's see... Huw's solo in "Who's Gonna Win The War" Dave's vocals on "Spirit Of The Age" and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" the fretless bass on "High Rise" (is that Adrian Shaw?) Bob's voice on "Only The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid" etc. In general, I'm a sucker for Bob's songs, Dave's voice, and Huw's solos (and oddball chord substitutions... IMFO the #1 all-time underrated guitarist in real rock music) Scott tanelorn at dimensional.com Boulder, CO, USA From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 12 23:46:08 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:46:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: >At 23:04 11/12/97 +0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: >>This style thread often crops up in other music related groups/lists and >>is quite fun to participate in - if not _actually_ interesting! So, I >>thought I'd give it a try. >> >Hooboy. Let's see... > >Huw's solo in "Who's Gonna Win The War" >Dave's vocals on "Spirit Of The Age" and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" >the fretless bass on "High Rise" (is that Adrian Shaw?) >Bob's voice on "Only The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid" ..... good ones... hmmmm... The whispered first line at the very start of "Needle Gun" Ginger's drumming in "The Eighth second of forever"... Dave's vocals on "The demented man" and "green-finned demon" Calvert's menacing tone on 'Steppenwolf'... Alan's bass on the transition between songs on "The Business Trip", =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 01:21:40 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:21:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: <199711130446.XAA09441@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold Wrote: >Ginger's drumming in "The Eighth second of forever"... Ah, I don't have the Caution :) album. Christian From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Nov 13 02:42:12 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:42:12 +0100 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message ID on 12/11/97, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> I must admit that I don't have it right to hand at present, but I always BDL> thought the Chaos video was stereo and I very tentatively think the BDL> Bristol Bike Show is. No doubt someone can confirm this (both these BDL> videos are in store so I can't check). None of the Jettisoundz tapes (Chaos, LiS, Night of the Hawks) is said to be stereo; nor is the Live Legend. Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Nov 13 01:45:35 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:45:35 +0200 Subject: HW:Doug Walker Message-ID: Sorry for the delay but here are the details of the sale: All VDGG/Peter Hamill records (about 40) together in Peter Hamill's case, including some very rare bootleg lps $750 $1000 takes his complete Hawkwind collection, which includes several bootleg lps as well. He also has a huge collection of Pink Floyd records you can contact him about! Other stuff for people in the NYC area: Peavy Bass 200 Amp $250 Peavy Bass 400 Amp $325 Teac 3340S real to real $450 ARP Odyessey Synth $650 2 15inch speaker cabinets $125. Call doug at 718-723-1662 if you are intersted! Scott ObCs- Arc Met- Strange Daze 8/30/97 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Thu Nov 13 04:32:44 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:32:44 -0000 Subject: Favourite Moments Message-ID: On 12 November, Mark Edmonds wrote; >This style thread often crops up in other music related groups/lists and >is quite fun to participate in - if not _actually_ interesting! So, I >thought I'd give it a try. >To kick the ball rolling, here are a few of mine: >Opening of PXR5 version of Uncle Sams on Mars, >The "neck tingler" effect in Prelude from Levitation, >The rising scale bass riff at the end of each chorus in Mirror of >Illusion (1st album), >The guitar slide and intro riff at the beginning of Damnation Alley from >Quark. >That'll do. Let's hear some of yours! >Mark The synths 'powering down' at the end of Psi Power on 'This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic' > The quiet bit with the samples in Sword of the East From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 13 05:15:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:15:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: >The whispered first line at the very start of "Needle Gun" >Ginger's drumming in "The Eighth second of forever"... >Dave's vocals on "The demented man" and "green-finned demon" >Calvert's menacing tone on 'Steppenwolf'... >Alan's bass on the transition between songs on "The Business Trip", > The 0.5s long submarine-like sound before the first verse on "BtG" of SR. Lemmy's freakout on "Time We Left." Calvert's vox of fury in the last verse of "Death Trap". House's violin solo on "Damnation Alley". When "Space Is Deep" suddenly goes blanga. When "Assualt and Battery" and "Golden Void" are melting together and the intro noise of "Golden Void" is like needles in your brain. (Not a moment but...) The lyrics of "Urban Guerilla". When you think the ISoS version of "You Shouldn't" is about to end... but it isn't. One BOC too: The whispered "Oh Yeah" before "Quicklime Girl" has started. mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 13 05:34:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:34:25 +0800 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: >None of the Jettisoundz tapes (Chaos, LiS, Night of the Hawks) is said to be >stereo; nor is the Live Legend. > My copy of Live Legend says it's Hi Fi Stereo. William From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 06:17:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:17:47 -0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least > it > something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the > rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs But the point is, nobody ever agrees which is which... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 06:16:24 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:16:24 -0000 Subject: HW: UK online CD mailorder?? Message-ID: On Tuesday, November 11, 1997 11:14 PM, Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > Looking for well stocked UK answer to CDWorld/CDnow etc. > Are there any ones to recommend? The only UK mailorder > I use is Blackmail which stock alot of prog/psych reissues > but not much new. Need to get the new HW (& other UK CDs)! > > Christian CDZone (http://www.cdzone.co.uk) lists _1999 Party_ already, at 19.50 or so, and DH at 12.49 (pounds), plus shipping. They found me a copy of the New Christs' _Woe Betide_ ep, which no-one else managed to do, so I was impressed with them then. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 06:00:32 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:00:32 -0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. Message-ID: > Mean Fiddler, LONDON It's a bit remote from the centre, out to the northwest and not on the tube - bit of a jazz/blues venue although they have rock acts too. Because I live in south-east London, I find it a bit of a drag to get to (and get back from), but it's OK and quite popular. Then again, the same management has several other venues in London, so you might end up somewhere else anyway! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Nov 13 07:04:40 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:04:40 -0500 Subject: HW: New Black Sword Video Message-ID: Olivier Boigey wrote: > None of the Jettisoundz tapes (Chaos, LiS, Night of the Hawks) is said to be > stereo; nor is the Live Legend. > > Olivier er... the live legends video from castle says right on the spine: HI_FI STEREO. dont know about the others.rj > > > - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ > > - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 07:28:14 1997 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:28:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video In-Reply-To: <199711101325.IAA11471@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Is this video available for the British video format (the name of which escapes me for the moment)? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Nov 13 07:12:07 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:12:07 +0100 Subject: Favourite HW Moments Message-ID: Hmmmm...... There are far too many, here are but a few... - The "sonar" before the first verse of Born To Go (Space Ritual) - Huw's beautiful lead guitar on Dust Of Time (Levitation) - Harvey's keyboards at the end of Golden Void (Palace Springs) - The intro (especially Huw's guitar) and first verse of Magnu on the BBC Reading '86 album - Alan's killer bass lines in the mid section of Damnation Alley (Palace Springs) - Harvey's Bosendorf sample and Huw's guitar in Lost Chronicles (Xenon Codex) - Dave's vocals on Heads (Undisclosed Files) - The first two minutes or so of Levitation on Stonehenge - This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ("Technicians of spaceship Hawkwind, this is your captain speaking...") - Bob's vocals on High Rise (live) off the Anthology box set - Dave's vocals and guitar solo on the Hawklords version of Who's Gonna Win the War. - I could go on forever... Hawkwind's material may be inconsistent, but the gems are priceless. And there are lots of them... Ola From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Nov 13 07:23:26 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:23:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Ron vs. Bob Message-ID: Hello HawkFrendz, There was recently a debate, which I started I guess, about whether Ron sounds like Bob or not... Well, I have listened to Alan's Captured Rotation album a lot recently. Ron does the vocals on a couple of tracks and the way he ends his notes actually makes me think of John Lydon (especially the PIL era), who claims that Bob was one of his major influences... A bit far-fetched, I know, but... By the way, Alan's barbarian bass on Ancient Light just kills me. Ola From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 07:58:30 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:58:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Hardman DK wrote: > Is this video available for the British video format (the name of which > escapes me for the moment)? > > Dave It's called VHS. - Mike Godwin From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 07:56:40 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:56:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: Dave, As Bolle would say "But of course!" The format you want is the PAL format. I have it in stock, although, they charge $.10 a minute to convert it. The bottom line is that it cost $34 US, this includes priority Global Mail. You can send a money order for $34 US to: The Rose Legacy Corporation P.O. Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30042 You will be surprised when you see it:-) Thanks, Chuck Saden Miracles DO Happen, Take On e From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 08:01:53 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:01:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Band Video Message-ID: British Format is PAL and it's on VHS frame. It costs more, all editing done NTSC. US format is NTSC on VHS The difference is that PAL is 25 frames per second, NTSC is 30. (SO check the back of your VCR and see if it's PAL or NTSC) chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take On e From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 13 09:10:05 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:10:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Kenneth Magnusson Received: 13 Nov 97 0:30 > Y'know Christian, in Sweden there are people who invents stuff like > Surstromming and then they unleash it onto the unsuspecting population, it > makes one careful, paranoid even. > > Just ask Sonique about Pitepalt, even if I like it I think he can > understand my reasoning. My stomach still quivers when I hear that word! What is it that one washes it down with again? Vargtass??? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 13 09:14:17 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:14:17 +1000 Subject: other/off: DVD (was re: recordable CD-ROM's) Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Mark Edmonds Received: 12 Nov 97 23:41 > Overall though, my advice would be to wait. When I was in North America > earlier this year, it was clear that DVD was beginning to establish a foot > hold, but in Europe it has hardly made any impact at all. Therefore, let the > market establish itself, wait for the prices to drop, look at the titles > being released and then decide whether you want to commit yourself to the > expense. When I was in Taiwan in August, I saw literally thousands of DVD disks in PC, Record and Vidoeo stores ... so even though they were probably all illegal bootlegs, I'd say that it would be worth looking at the US players (Taiwan use NTSC for TV, so I'd assume that they will use the US standard...) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 13 08:30:02 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:30:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Video formats Message-ID: >British Format is PAL and it's on VHS frame. It costs more, all editing done >NTSC. > >US format is NTSC on VHS > >The difference is that PAL is 25 frames per second, NTSC is 30. Actually, color NTSC is about 29.97 frames per second, an adjustment made when they added color. You have to "drop frame", or skip one frame every other second or so to have your timing come out right for commercial breaks and the like... Of course, PAL has more scanlines. Is the video available in SECAM? Andrew, who used to do this stuff for RGB (Amilink).. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 08:33:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:33:28 GMT Subject: HW: Back to the future? Message-ID: On m?n 10 nov 1997 15.15 "J Strobridge" wrote: > ah ha - the ether seems to be singing again. So are any messages sent > prior to Nov 4 likely to appear or will we have to resend everything? This has been happening to me for weeks. For example, this message of Jill's that I'm replying to I just got the morning (GMT) of the 13th! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 08:41:00 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:41:00 GMT Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On ons 12 nov 1997 14.29 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > i sense an anti-bridgett person here! Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like "Images"! And I suppose the "Back in the Box" on _Palace Springs_ was all right, and might be 90s. I would ban her on-stage antics though from any video :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 08:48:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:43 GMT Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 00.30 "Kenneth Magnusson" wrote: > I would be very glad if those L-BOC people who will attend let > themselves be known before or after the show, O.K. ? Well, I shall be in London to see the tour if it goes there for sure, and I may be in Denmark and/or Sweden sometime in 98, so might catch some gigs there too. Cheers, Carl From mwood at AGILE.COM Thu Nov 13 08:50:33 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:50:33 -0500 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On ons 12 nov 1997 14.29 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > i sense an anti-bridgett person here! > Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really > decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like "Images"! I, for one, like a lot of the stuff off of _Space Bandits_, even "Black Elk Speaks." How much credibility have I lost? > I would ban her on-stage antics though from any video :) For those of us who never had the, um, pleasure - what exactly did she do on stage? MWood From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 08:59:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:00 +0000 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:41 +0000 Message-ID: On 13 Nov 13:41, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really > decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like "Images"! What about the live version of "Out Of The Shadows"? > And I suppose the "Back in the Box" on _Palace Springs_ was all right, and > might be 90s. I'm a bit dubious about the inclusion of "Death Trap" as 90s. QS&C and "Mask of Morning" are radically different from their originals, but "Death Trap" is pretty much the same. Not that it matters much, I'm just being pedantic. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 09:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:02:00 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. In-Reply-To: Kenneth Magnusson's mail of Thu, 13 Nov 97 00:30 +0100 Message-ID: On 12 Nov 23:30, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > We are also trying to get to the U.K., these are the proposed venues in UK > which seem to be very likely: > > Mean Fiddler, LONDON > The Duchess, LEEDS > Fibbers, YORK > The Adelphi, HULL > > Anyone knows anything 'bout these places ? Uh, they're not far enough north ;-) . But seriously, is there any chance of a gig in Edinburgh or Glasgow? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 13 09:00:19 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:00:19 +0800 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: >> On ons 12 nov 1997 14.29 "Ron Jennings" wrote: >> > i sense an anti-bridgett person here! >> Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really >> decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like "Images"! > >I, for one, like a lot of the stuff off of _Space Bandits_, even >"Black Elk Speaks." How much credibility have I lost? > I liked most of the album. The only track I didn't like was (SHOCK! HORROR!) Out Of The Shadows. Too average a Heavy Rock song, I think. I liked a lot of Bridgett's era with the band. It was a nice change from the HM band they seemed to be becoming. >> I would ban her on-stage antics though from any video :) > >For those of us who never had the, um, pleasure - what exactly did she >do on stage? I don't think she did anything annoying. I'd much rather see the dancer in the tutu banned! William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 09:14:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:14:48 GMT Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 13.59 "Dave Berry" wrote: > On 13 Nov 13:41, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really > > decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like > > "Images"! > > What about the live version of "Out Of The Shadows"? Well, a raging live Out of the Shadows > Snake Dance > Night of the Hawks would definitely have to appear somewhere, as that's about my favorite live Hawkwind thing since Space Ritual :) Maybe on a live album? I know I included the live "Love in Space" but mostly because the single version was so crap IMO. > I'm a bit dubious about the inclusion of "Death Trap" as 90s. Recorded in the 90s, anyway ... > QS&C and > "Mask of Morning" are radically different from their originals, but > "Death Trap" is pretty much the same. Not that it matters much, I'm > just being pedantic. Fair enough, though since I actually like the DT >Wastelands > AYLYM sequence I didn't want to break it up :) Cheers, Carl From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Thu Nov 13 09:15:28 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:15:28 -0000 Subject: Favourite Moments Message-ID: >Opening of PXR5 version of Uncle Sams on Mars, >The "neck tingler" effect in Prelude from Levitation, >The rising scale bass riff at the end of each chorus in Mirror of >Illusion (1st album), >The guitar slide and intro riff at the beginning of Damnation Alley from >Quark. >That'll do. Let's hear some of yours! >Mark The synths sounding like their 'powering down' at the end of Psi Power on 'This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic' The bit on Sword of The East where the quiet sample bit ends and the guitar kicks in. Spirit of the Age - what a cool song ! Richard. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 09:27:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:27:37 GMT Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 08.50 "Marshall Wood" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On ons 12 nov 1997 14.29 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > > i sense an anti-bridgett person here! > > Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only > > really decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite > >like "Images"! > > I, for one, like a lot of the stuff off of _Space Bandits_, even > "Black Elk Speaks." How much credibility have I lost? Well, I'd be worried if too many people started agreeing on matters Hawkwindish :) > > I would ban her on-stage antics though from any video :) > > For those of us who never had the, um, pleasure - what exactly did she > do on stage? Well, act in an unecessarily artsy and pretentious way which looked rather silly. Consult the _Live Legends_ video if possible, where you will see her in a swimsuit and goggles waving her arms about singing Golden Void. Also being wrapped up in massive bandages by Harvey during "Back in the Box". Really, the only thing which distracted me from this silliness on the video was the gruesome ballet dancer who dominated the camera during "Out of the Shadows" and "Snake Dance". Cheers, Carl From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Nov 13 09:31:30 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:31:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: Theo- How was the show? I didn't get it on my classic rock station. It was still a great night though. Comedy Central played "This Is Spinal Tap" and "South Park" back to back! Besides the new Buck video BOC talk has been dwindling lately (lets not go over the reasons.) It's about time we put the BOC back in BOC-L. Brian http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/index.html From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 09:30:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:30:42 GMT Subject: HW: Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 22.00 "William Duffy" wrote: > I liked most of the album. The only track I didn't like was (SHOCK! > HORROR!) Out Of The Shadows. Too average a Heavy Rock song, I think. I hated it on _Space Bandits_ but love the various live versions. > I'd much rather see the dancer in > the tutu banned! Amen. Cheers, Carl From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 13 09:30:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:30:38 +0800 Subject: HW: Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: >> I liked most of the album. The only track I didn't like was (SHOCK! >> HORROR!) Out Of The Shadows. Too average a Heavy Rock song, I think. > > I hated it on _Space Bandits_ but love the various live versions. > I loved the live versions as well, although everytime I hear it I keep picturing that dancer in the tutu, since she appears right in the middle of the video version. I always fast forward through that bit. There's only so much one can bare. William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 08:47:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:47:21 EDT Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: From: brian halligan > Theo- > How was the show? I didn't get > it on my classic rock station. It > was still a great night though. > Comedy Central played "This Is > Spinal Tap" and "South Park" > back to back! > > Besides the new Buck video > BOC talk has been dwindling > lately (lets not go over the > reasons.) It's about time we > put the BOC back in BOC-L. > > Brian > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/index.html I'd rather not say what concert it was, but any long-term BOC-Ler should be familiar with it, and the troubles it has caused me [and others]... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 09:56:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:56:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Live Legends (was Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)))) In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Thu, 13 Nov 97 22:30 +0800 Message-ID: On 13 Nov 14:30, William Duffy wrote: > I always fast forward through that bit. There's only so much one can bare. That's a very revealing comment. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:00:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:00:15 GMT Subject: HW: Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 22.30 "William Duffy" wrote: > >> I liked most of the album. The only track I didn't like was (SHOCK! > >> HORROR!) Out Of The Shadows. Too average a Heavy Rock song, I think. > > > > I hated it on _Space Bandits_ but love the various live versions. > > > I loved the live versions as well, although everytime I hear it I keep > picturing that dancer in the tutu, since she appears right in the middle > of the video version. > > I always fast forward through that bit. There's only so much one can > bare. The less she bared, the better :) Well, I liked the performance of the song too much to skip (the addition of Simon House, edges it above the _California Brainstorm_ version, IMO) so I just closed my eyes and thought of England ... Cheers, Carl From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:00:21 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:00:21 GMT Subject: LYRICS: Clouded Vision In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:32:50 -0000 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > With sources of the world of divination ?definition? > > > Those promises are major investments > > > I know a dozen victims ?reasons? > > I see you picked the easy one... Hehehe.I'll check out your amends later. Thanks. > > Reptoid: > > The crown is written golden too late ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ red, gold into lead (it's Revelations imagery) > Mercury switch and the atom is split > ... in your eyes fire? > Wheels of flame through the crack in the sky > > Set first gear.. lose > Atom brain cell in a nuclear mind > ... radioactive 2000 cockroach on a > ... nuclear shockwave > > Reptoid vision, silicon eyes > Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye > ... claw is scratching my brain > My feet are itching/slipping on the suicide train > > Daddy was a loony in the looniest way > Mummy was a reptile ... > ... the colour of red > Reptoid insect in my head > > Digital crystal, scratched with the scene > Escalator sidewalks, compared with our dreams > Fire created the chemical motion > Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean > > > Pop Over: > > I had barely left home before I noticed the rush > Thousands of people in a crush > Forcing me to move with my arms in front of my chest > A straitjacket suit, a concrete vest > ... ?insane? Looking straight ahead > What are you thinking of? Are we brain-dead? > > The world's gone cock-eyed > Set to explode > Automatic nucleus of DNA code > Automatic everything > ..accelerating > ????? > > World of the wheel... I'm going to bed! :) > > - Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:04:06 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:04:06 GMT Subject: HW : The Spice Girls In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > My Saturday sidekick Paul, showed me just the HW remark on Saturday > afternoon in a full shop of twenty or so customers. My face went red and > I started spluttering. Total apoplexy. Most amusing for him. Bastard. Waht sort of insightful comments would you expect from a few silly little girls? They were playing with Barbie dolls when Hawkwind were playing their 1000th gig. > Jon Browne FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:12:34 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:12:34 GMT Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > fofp, you were there that night weren't you? Or had you gone to Glasto > like many did for a couple of days, to return after? I saw Hawkwind at Stonehenge in 1981 (and met the band for the first time) and then went on to see them at Glasters the next night. After that I was at Stonehenge again either in 1982 or 1983. It's hard to remember but it was the year they played the pyramid tent up at the top field towards Divizes rather than the pyramid tent nead the side track as in 1984. Nik and Dave had a physical fight on stage when they both tried to play different tracks and after Nik had done his "Get off my mummy Uncle Sam" rant. It was the worst Hawkwind gig I've ever seen and the only one I walked away from. It was also my introduction to The Phenomenon of Luminosity and I had a great time later on. That may have been the year that I heard Hawkwind from the Stones at dawn, but given the distance to the pyramid stage that year, unlikely. It was almost certainly '84 that this occurred since the pyramid tent was within sight of the Stones that year. I was there in '84 and > > Evidently the adage "if you remember it, you wern't there" is a truism > after all. :) I don't think I was too twixt on the night Hawkwing played in '84 though I'm sure I was on other nights. > Jon FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:24:33 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:24:33 GMT Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:46:08 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Huw's solo in "Who's Gonna Win The War" > >Dave's vocals on "Spirit Of The Age" and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" > >the fretless bass on "High Rise" (is that Adrian Shaw?) > >Bob's voice on "Only The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid" > The whispered first line at the very start of "Needle Gun" > Ginger's drumming in "The Eighth second of forever"... > Dave's vocals on "The demented man" and "green-finned demon" > Calvert's menacing tone on 'Steppenwolf'... > Alan's bass on the transition between songs on "The Business Trip", The drumming and the return of the guitar in Seeing It As You Really Are. The synth section near the end of Damnation Alley The drums in the middle of Urban Guerilla ('79 live) The key change at the end of Brainstorm All of You'd Better Believe It FoFP From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Nov 13 10:32:36 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:32:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: > >I'd rather not say what concert it was, but any long-term BOC-Ler > >should be familiar with it, and the troubles it has caused me [and > >others]... > > > >theo > > > >*************************************** > > > >"...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > > > >--V. Vega > > Oh, THAT show... > > Did you tape it? Hehe...sorry. > > Now I'm going to have to listen to it > when I get home from work. I don't > know if I can wait that long though... ;) > > Brian > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2107 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 10:26:07 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:26:07 GMT Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:39:05 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > At 14:16 10.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > > >I don't think your records need updating, Bern, but I think this show > >went into "extra time" at some point. > > I believe what you are saying > > What about that: Just add the tape from 20.06.1984 (late evening) to the > tape 21.06.1984 (very early morning) and you have that extreme long gig > you're talking about: 110 min + 55 min = 165 min > > The 2nd part (21.06.1984) contains indeed some jamming Those were definitely the tapes from the evening session and the Solstice Dawn session. I missed the next session that evening in the tibetan tent because I didn't know they were playing again. > Bernhard FoFP From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Thu Nov 13 10:31:58 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:31:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: Hawkwind From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Nov 13 10:44:09 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:44:09 -0500 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: Sadness about the radio audience Message-ID: I tried to give away _Eponymous_ and _Trep_ CDs on my show, but not a soul dialed in :(. Although I did devote the last half hour of the show to nothing but Albert Bouchard/tBS penned material :) For those of you lucky enough to have the Quadrophonic mix of T&M, what are the little spoken pieces that frequent OD'd and Hot Rails? Q: About when did BOC become a headlining act? Q: What role in producing BOC's material did Murray Krugman have, considering the well documented chicanery of his associate Mr. Pearlman? Tiddbit/conjecture: Paul Williams introduced the music of Procol Harum to Sandy P. in '68 to the latter's approval. Since that was the year of their epic 17minute suite "In Held Twas In I" (trivia 2: the first rock multimovement suite it was,too) I wonder if that was the year that gave Sandy the embryonic notion of Immaginos? rose, reverberated, and comprehendo-ed, Jason From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Thu Nov 13 11:14:53 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: The synths at the end of Psi Power on 'This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic' The bit in Sword of the East where the samples end and the guitar kicks in All of Sonic Attack Assassins on 'California Brainstorm' The bit in 'The Camera That Could Not Lie' on 'The Business Trip' where it goes heavy Every time I've seen them live ! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 10:21:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:21:56 -0400 Subject: BRAIN/BOC: Sadness about the radio audience Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > I tried to give away _Eponymous_ and _Trep_ CDs on my show, but not a soul > dialed in :(. Although I did devote the last half hour of the show to > nothing but Albert Bouchard/tBS penned material :) > No point in casting pearls before swine, Jason! > For those of you lucky enough to have the Quadrophonic mix of T&M, what are > the little spoken pieces that frequent OD'd and Hot Rails? > Q: About when did BOC become a headlining act? It kind of depends. I suspect they were headlining in the NY area soon enough, then spreading to the northeast. I know by Secret Treaties they were a headline act, but not always. Around that time I actually saw BOC open for, I believe, BTO! No shit, but it was cool, 'cause everyone left after BOC! > Q: What role in producing BOC's material did Murray Krugman have, > considering the well documented chicanery of his associate Mr. Pearlman? Can't help there... > Tiddbit/conjecture: Paul Williams introduced the music of Procol Harum to > Sandy P. in '68 to the latter's approval. Since that was the year of their > epic 17minute suite "In Held Twas In I" (trivia 2: the first rock > multimovement suite it was,too) I wonder if that was the year that gave > Sandy the embryonic notion of Immaginos? > Did that predate the Who's 'A Quick One...?' > rose, reverberated, and comprehendo-ed, > Jason > theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 10:24:00 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:24:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: > > > >I'd rather not say what concert it was, but any long-term BOC-Ler > > >should be familiar with it, and the troubles it has caused me [and > > >others]... > > > > > >theo > > > > > >*************************************** > > > > > >"...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > > > > > >--V. Vega > > > > Oh, THAT show... > > > > Did you tape it? Hehe...sorry. > > > > Now I'm going to have to listen to it > > when I get home from work. I don't > > know if I can wait that long though... ;) > > > > Brian Howls! I knew that was coming. I DID tape it. I'm going to send it to poor Christian over in Norway, but I've already got it set to go. I've reformed, really..really...Hello mom, are you there?... ted theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 11:33:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:33:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Thu, 13 Nov 97 15:24 +0000 Message-ID: On 13 Nov 15:24, M Holmes wrote: > Andrew A. Apold writes: > > > >Huw's solo in "Who's Gonna Win The War" > > >Dave's vocals on "Spirit Of The Age" and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" > > >the fretless bass on "High Rise" (is that Adrian Shaw?) > > >Bob's voice on "Only The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid" > > > The whispered first line at the very start of "Needle Gun" > > Ginger's drumming in "The Eighth second of forever"... > > Dave's vocals on "The demented man" and "green-finned demon" > > Calvert's menacing tone on 'Steppenwolf'... > > Alan's bass on the transition between songs on "The Business Trip", > > The drumming and the return of the guitar in Seeing It As You Really Are. > The synth section near the end of Damnation Alley > The drums in the middle of Urban Guerilla ('79 live) > The key change at the end of Brainstorm > All of You'd Better Believe It The drum pattern and initial riff of the "This is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic" version of Angels Of Death The "Feed your brain" section of T.V. Suicide on "California Brainstorm". Huw's solo on Lost Chronicles. The intro to Moonglum. Wave Upon Wave. The bass line on Paranoia. The opening to LSD on "Electric Teepee". Dave's solos on the "Palace Springs" version of The Golden Void. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Nov 13 11:33:47 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:33:47 -0600 Subject: Golden Void updated (finally) Message-ID: I'm finally making some progress again on Golden Void web page. I updated the links, added my review of the August show in Chicago, and updated the gigs for 1997 (along with the statistics pages). I know that for some of the gigs in 1997 that my line-up is incomplete since there were guests playing. Could someone please take a look at the list and let me know any additions or corrections. I took the gig information from the www.hawkwind.com page, so I may have listed some that were ultimately cancelled. I would also like to fill in more set lists if anyone has them. The gigs are at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/gigs/ The main page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Thanks for the help. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Any man, in the right situation, is capable of murder. But not any man is capable of being a good camper. So, murder and camping are not as similar as you might think. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From kg at THING.DE Thu Nov 13 11:20:06 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:20:06 +0100 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article Message-ID: stalker wrote: > find the time I'll translate it - its really a good one - focussing on > Calvert's AND Hawkwind's innovative aspects - being the forerunners of > the tribal rhythms - Calvert's focus on new technologies etc. jill wrote: thanx - please could you translate it...I'm afraid I'm an English only person and worse...... I'm completely deprived of sound technology on my computer so I can't get to hear Calvert doing his monologue - no matter how much I may want to! If you were willing to scan the whole text in sometime I'd be really grateful! I love the way you've made available the texts that are the most inaccessible and difficult to find - this is wonderful! Very many thanks jill, I'll definitely translate the article and scan in the original photos they put in -maybe some more. reg. the soundfiles I've added recently - you (and everyone here) should really think about getting a soundcard - real audio is quite a good tool for adding soundfiles to websites - without the boredom problem of eternal download times - and you'll find them more and more on other sites too...so, I think its really worth spending a few bucks on it in the nearer future. the real audio software you'll need then can be downloaded for free from real.com very best, knut From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 11:16:23 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:16:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: > I loved the live versions as well, although everytime I hear it I keep > picturing that dancer in the tutu, since she appears right in the middle of > the video version. > > I always fast forward through that bit. There's only so much one can bare. > > William So how much did the tutu dancer bare? :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 04:09:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:09:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: <5oZTEFAPYja0EwNv@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <5oZTEFAPYja0EwNv at mmje.demon.co.uk>, Mark Edmonds writes > >That'll do. Let's hear some of yours! > >Mark The analog keyboard mid-eight to PSY Power, The intro to Rocky Paths, Main lick/hook to Right To Decide Most of Doremi (!) -- Jon Browne From micci at SCI.FI Thu Nov 13 12:05:45 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:05:45 +0200 Subject: HW:trade Message-ID: Hi! I still have these and I want to trade them. I looking several HW and related albums. Assassins Of Allah bootleg 12" hawklords-25years, black vinyl Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 12:00:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:00:43 +0000 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) In-Reply-To: <346B05A9.6@agile.com> Message-ID: In article <346B05A9.6 at agile.com>, Marshall Wood writes >I, for one, like a lot of the stuff off of _Space Bandits_, even >"Black Elk Speaks." How much credibility have I lost? None, I like it too! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 04:15:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:15:15 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Kenneth Magnusson writes >Mean Fiddler, LONDON >The Duchess, LEEDS >Fibbers, YORK >The Adelphi, HULL > >Anyone knows anything 'bout these places ? The Mean Fiddler is an alright venue. About 2/300 capacity I'd guess. Duchess is a little bigger, still alright, proably the best indie venue in Leeds. Don't know about the other two. -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Nov 13 12:16:51 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:16:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? Mine listed below: BOC: ME 262 and 7SDb off of OYFoOYK simply because it sounds as if the band was on the verge of exploding with absolute rock and roll energy and the 72 bootleg version of WoTT Buck/Albert: the guitar/drum duet in 7SDb off of OYF Albert:The evil music build to the final verse of Quicklime Girl; Buck:watching Buck's fingers fly faster than light around the frets during the end part of (DF)tR at Buffalo one summer evening; the start of the final guitar solo in OYF's Subhuman Joe: Nosferatu A. Lanier: the piano in Astronomy circa _ST_/True Confessions vocal Eric: um...just a minute... I know there is one... (just kidding)the idea for the 5 man guitar jam and vocal in 7SDb on OYF/Black Blade on ETL jason From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 13 12:18:41 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:18:41 -0500 Subject: Calvert Newspaper article In-Reply-To: <346B28B6.DDC3ECF1@thing.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, stalker wrote: > reg. the soundfiles I've added recently - you (and everyone here) should > really think about getting a soundcard - real audio is quite a good tool > for adding soundfiles to websites - without the boredom problem of > eternal download times - and you'll find them more and more on other > sites too...so, I think its really worth spending a few bucks on it in > the nearer future. My main complaint is that RealAudio is a proprietary solution, and has lower quality and compression than MPEG. More tools are available for handling MPEG audio (both free and proprietary), and the format is an ISO standard used by audio/video professionals throughout the world. > the real audio software you'll need then can be downloaded for free from > real.com I asked this the last time this topic arose, but got no reply, so I'll ask again in the hope that someone can help me: can anyone tell me where I can download the real audio player for OpenBSD 2.1? Cheers, Paul. obCD: None (hardware still broken) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 04:12:19 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:12:19 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: <346A3CE0.43E8B940@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <346A3CE0.43E8B940 at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >i really hope that's a complete joke. your idea is not a bad one, but perhaps >your >tasteis a bit more discriminating. just about anything HW does is fine with me. >i >would gladly wade thru 3 bad tunes to hear one ultra tune. =) >rj Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And some people seem to like DITJ :) -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Nov 13 12:38:30 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:38:30 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: X Bros. and Malpractice update Message-ID: To quote D.Frost: "Malpractice and the XBros are at the pressing plant now." to the point (for once?), Jason From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 13 12:35:12 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:35:12 +0100 Subject: Golden Void updated (finally) In-Reply-To: <9711131033.ZM18169@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Hello Frank You've done a great work!!!! Let me know if you need some help. At 10:33 13.11.97 -0600, you wrote: >I would also like to fill in more set lists if anyone has them. Here are all gigs HAWKWIND played this year A good friend of mine is drum roadie during this tour. I've got this list from him. I am very sure that it is correct and complete TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: London Blackheath 07.06.97 Sat Escalarre Dr.Music Fest 12.07.97 Sat Escalarre Dr.Music Fest 13.07.97 Sun Chicago Cubby Bear 24.08.97 Sun Cleveland Phantasy Th 26.08.97 Tue New York Coney Island 29.08.97 Fri Sherman Strange Dazel 31.08.97 Sun Whitby Drac Festival 27.09.97 Sat Worthing Pavillon 30.09.97 Tue Felixstowe Pavillon Th 01.10.97 Wed Tunbridge W Assembly Hall 02.10.97 Thu Poole Arts Centre 03.10.97 Fri Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 07.10.97 Tue Norwich University 08.10.97 Wed Colchester Charter Hall 10.10.97 Fri Kings Lynn Corn Exch 11.10.97 Sat Hayes Back Theatre 13.10.97 Mon Mansfield Leisure Cent 16.10.97 Thu Edinburgh Liquid Rooms 17.10.97 Fri Glasgow Garage 19.10.97 Sun Morecambe Dome 20.10.97 Mon Manchester Ritz 21.10.97 Tue Blackburn St.Georges H 22.10.97 Wed Liverpool Empire 23.10.97 Thu Southport Theatre 24.10.97 Fri Stoke Trentham G 25.10.97 Sat York Grand Opera 26.10.97 Sun Leeds Irish Centre 27.10.97 Mon Wolverh Civic Hall 28.10.97 Tue Croydon Fairfields Hall 29.10.97 Wed London Empire 31.10.97 Fri Guildford Civic Centre 01.11.97 Sat Sheffield City Hall 02.11.97 Sun Rhyll New Theatre 03.11.97 Mon Paington Festival Th 05.11.97 Wed Ashton 07.11.97 Fri Oxford Zodiac 08.11.97 Sat Swansea Leisure Cent 09.11.97 Sun Swindon Wyvern Th 10.11.97 Mon ---------------------------------------------------------------- Eindhoven Effenaar 18.11.97 Tue Amsterdam Melkweg 19.11.97 Wed Bruxelles ??? 20.11.97 Thu Bernhard From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Nov 13 11:09:51 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:09:51 -0700 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: Mark wrote: >>Examples being >>ObCurryHouse: Stratford Tandoori >>ObCD: Pink Fairies - Kings of Oblivion >>ObThingtodowhendrunk: Go to ObCurryHouse... >Seriously, is "Kings of Oblivion" available on CD? I have never seen it >and jealously guard my vinyl copy. Thanks if you can help on this one. I have "Kings of Oblivion" on CD. I found it used at the Princeton (NJ) Record Exchange (great store, btw). The label is Polydor Japan, so it may be hard to find. This same label reissued Captain Beyond's albums (everyone on this list should own a copy of their eponymous 1st album) and Faust's 1st (the one with the x-ray of a hand on it - also well worth seeking out.) Speaking of the Fairies, does anyone know if they produced other records in the same league as "Kings"? I got the more recent "Kill 'em and eat 'em", but it sounds pretty pale in comparison, although granted the lineup is different. Chris From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 12:45:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:45:34 -0000 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: On Thursday, November 13, 1997 5:17 PM, Bolts of Ungodly Vision [SMTP:scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU] wrote: > What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? > Oyster cutlery? Those little forks, you mean? :) Seriously: the opening of "The Red & the Black" on T&M. "Christina - mother's home!" "Pull him down, the soldier said - I'll put an arrow in his head." "...with the consciousness of a snake." "We run in circles, our days are numbered..." "It's really lovely, I'll keep it and cherish it for ever." Loads of bits! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Nov 13 13:10:30 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:10:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: > Ok, here goes: > > Buck: The guitar solo in the SEE version of Astronomy! > > Eric: VotPW, wrist laser, 5 guitars, speil in 7SDb on OYF > > Allen: ETL version of Joan Crawford > > Joe: Bass solo in TR&TB, vocals on Hot Rails > > Al: drumming in I Love the Night, Burnin' For You, > and ME262. Singing on Death Valley Nights. > > BOC: 7 Screaming Diz-busters from OYFoOYK > > Brian > > >What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? > > > >Mine listed below: > >BOC: ME 262 and 7SDb off of OYFoOYK simply because it sounds as if > the band > >was > > on the verge of exploding with absolute rock and roll energy and > the 72 > > bootleg version of WoTT > > > >Buck/Albert: the guitar/drum duet in 7SDb off of OYF > > > >Albert:The evil music build to the final verse of Quicklime Girl; > > > >Buck:watching Buck's fingers fly faster than light around the frets > during > >the end part of (DF)tR at Buffalo one summer evening; the start of > the > >final guitar solo in OYF's Subhuman > > > >Joe: Nosferatu > > > >A. Lanier: the piano in Astronomy circa _ST_/True Confessions vocal > > > >Eric: um...just a minute... I know there is one... (just kidding)the > idea > >for the 5 man guitar jam and vocal in 7SDb on OYF/Black Blade on ETL > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2704 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mkelwood at QSICORP.COM Thu Nov 13 06:09:56 1997 From: mkelwood at QSICORP.COM (Michael K. Elwood) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:09:56 +0000 Subject: BOC headlining Message-ID: >> Q: About when did BOC become a headlining act? > >It kind of depends. I suspect they were headlining in the NY area >soon enough, then spreading to the northeast. I know by Secret >Treaties they were a headline act, but not always. Around that time >I actually saw BOC open for, I believe, BTO! No shit, but it was >cool, 'cause everyone left after BOC! This reminds me of a clip I saw in an old (1975) high school newspaper that one of my elder siblings had lying around. The paper published concert dates, including a 1975 appearance in Salt Lake City by BOC (as the headlining act). REO Speedwagon opened for them, IIRC. The reference cracked me up because the band was referred to as "those weird heavy metallists, the Blue Oyster Cult". Unfortunately, this was before my time. I never saw the band in their prime (i.e. original lineup intact). 8/ Back to the Lurkers Anonymous meetings.... MKE ************************************************** Michael K. Elwood QSI Corporation email: mkelwood at qsicorp.com ObOpinionsAreMineAloneEtc "Death...........by ungabunga!!!" - Unknown Tribal Leader ************************************************** From mwood at AGILE.COM Thu Nov 13 13:11:37 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:11:37 -0500 Subject: HW: White Zone Message-ID: I was looking at the back of my copy of the Griffin release of _White Zone_ and saw these 2 notes hidden amongst the credits: Tracks 4 & 7 from the CD STRANGE "Trips And Pipe Dreams" Track 9 from the CD "Chalice Of The Stars" Tracks 4 & 7 are "Heart Attack" & "In Search of Shangrila," but it is tracks 3 & 6 ("Pipe Dreams" and "The White Zone") that appear on the _Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams_ CD. Maybe the track order was changed, or a track was pulled off at the last minute? What is this CD called _Chalice of the Stars_? Track 9 is "Moonbeam," if that helps. MWood NP: _Zones_ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 13 13:11:32 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:11:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: At 12:16 PM 11/13/97 -0500, jaoson wrote: >What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? > As I've said before: The whispered "Oh Yeah" before QL(tMotSS) and Joe's bass spot on tRatB The crescendo in Magna of Illusion Eric's line: "I've got a whip" and the drum *DISH*... on tRatB The "talked" parts of 7SDB on OFOYK Closing solo + plus Alberts vox on D&S Patti's appearance in "Vera Gemini" The jazzy part of "Before the Kiss" The guitars on "OD'd on life" ...that's about it. mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 13 13:16:51 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:16:51 +0100 Subject: BOTH: Fave moments Message-ID: I have a confession to make, my name is Daniel Wikdahl and I'm geek: I love to play these kind of moments over and over again... even if they are just a few seconds long. It's a very usual behaviour of mine when I'm drunk. My friends doesn't understand that at all... mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 13:05:55 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:05:55 -0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies Message-ID: > Speaking of the Fairies, does anyone know if they produced other records in > the same league as "Kings"? > I got the more recent "Kill 'em and eat 'em", but it sounds pretty pale in > comparison, although granted the lineup is > different. > > Chris The core PF album discography is pretty brief: Never Never Land [1971] What a Bunch of Sweeties [1972] Kings of Oblivion [1973] Best of... (?) [1976-ish, not sure of the exact title because I don't have it - but it's got the legendary "Snake" single, which makes it important] Live at the Roundhouse 1975 [1982, lovely shocking pink vinyl] Kill 'em and Eat 'em [1987] Then there's a few peripheral Twink and Larry things which came out under the PF brand, plus Paul Rudolph's new PF albums like _Pleasure Island_. And the "Between the Lines" 7" on Stiff. Anyway, "Sweeties" is totally essential, and "Live" is pretty tasty too. "NNL" is a bit hippy-ish in places but does have the essential "Do It" and "Uncle Harry's Last Freak-Out", so it's worth searching for too. "Kings" was much more metal, due to Larry Wallis' arrival, mostly. "Kill/Eat" was a somewhat lukewarm reunion album. The reunion tour was only so/so, from the gig I went to anyway (Larry Wallis' solo gig at the Cricketers in '86, though, now you're talking!). I you like those, then you have to start moving onto the Deviants/Mick Farren stuff, about which I've gone on enough on this list already! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 13:23:25 1997 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:23:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? Various on-stage antics, captured for posterity on the Black 'N' Blue video: The guitar duel on Born to Be Wild Eric and Buck duck-walking across the stage Buck ripping the strings from his guitar Using the mirror-backed guitars to reflect the lights back into the audience Albert wearing the Godzilla mask On Secret Treaties: The first ringing note of Buck's guitar solo on D&S The music box intro to Flaming Telepaths On Spectres: The jokey reference to Stairway to the Stars on Goin' Through the Motions ("I'll even sign it love to you, *again*") ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 13:33:19 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:33:19 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 10 nov 1997 23.22 +0100 "Kenneth Magnusson" wrote: > Maybe it's because the albums, generally, are recorded during 2-5 months, > there are just not enough creativity to produce all the tracks the way they > deserve, so that would leave us with good songs but with below par > production, Though good songs and performances can carry bad production. After all, first albums from the Beatles and Black Sabbath involved simply walking into the studio and recording for about 13 hours ... and are still classics! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 13 13:36:21 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:36:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: >I'd rather not say what concert it was, but any long-term BOC-Ler should be familiar with it, and the troubles it has caused me [and others]... ROTFL theo! John From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Thu Nov 13 13:39:05 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:39:05 -0700 Subject: Wishart v Bastard Message-ID: Having detected some rumblings about Bridget Wishart's tenure with HW, I'll throw out in this auspicious forum my own (pithless) observation: I saw HW with Bridget in December 1990 in Denver, Colorado. At the time I had been out of touch with the band's lineup, releases, etc. since Zones. Thus, I was surprised to see HW take the stage without HuwLL (distressing), and with an unfamiliar singer (which I thought was just fine--always open to something new). Wishart was a pro, and sang in tune 100% of the time (!) but her stage presence (costume changes, a few props) seemed more suited to the cheesy amateur theatrics of an 80's neo-prog outfit than the mighty 'Wind. I found her to be competent, but not compelling. I don't think she was really into what she was doing. And on tunes like "Reefer Madness" she was just plain unconvincing. More recently I saw HW (1995, in Boulder, Colorado) with then-brand-new singer Ron "Bastard" Tree (and without the mighty Harvey Bainbridge) and thought that (a) the band was much tighter and heavier, yet with more dynamics (b) the show was much more intense (c) the visuals were much more, um, psychedelic--and (d) Bridget come back, all is forgiven! I don't know if Tree's monitor mix was awful, or if he was having a bad night, or if that's really the way he sings--but his vocals, when audible, were wretched. There were a couple places where Dave Brock sang and it was as if the heavens parted and golden light came shining down--glorious. Then it was back to Tree's reedy, tuneless warble. I thought it was closest to Nik's punk-ish style--a far cry from Calvert. Maybe that's changed recently. I sure hope so. Scott Bullerwell tanelorn at dimensional.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 13 13:43:14 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:43:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: At 01:36 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >>I'd rather not say what concert it was, but any long-term BOC-Ler >should be familiar with it, and the troubles it has caused me [and >others]... > >ROTFL theo! > >John ROTFL? John! Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 13:51:31 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:51:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Tie: Albert's Godzilla Head solo - scared the shit out of me, still does Any Albert version of Cities On Flame Joe singing Fallen Angel - Alfred Tech, 1983 - My fav live tune ever. Buck Making the sound "Move" at the same show. Eric handing us a pic after we regained sight during Born To Be Wild in Niagara Falls 1976 or 77 Allen - Mugging for my video camera during the SummerDaze show in Reno. This video also has Pat Travers playing during Reaper. chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 13:40:12 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:40:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObMuppet: The Swedish Chef (was OFF: ObCD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00:10 14/11/97 +1000, you wrote: >Transmission details - SOnique: > >What is it that one washes it down with again? Vargtass??? > Vargtass is what I drank the night I (got) pissed & got arrested and thrown in jail!!!!! Now what's this pitpalt substance? Is it legal outside Sweden???? (because surstr?mming shouldn't be anyway). One disgusting thing (among many) about Norway is smalahove. Smalahove is roasted sheep's head. Watch granny nimbly pick out those eyballs and chew the hell out of them, and then the old crone will suck that scolded skin off that warty sheep's tongue!!! MMM-MMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! 'tis the season to be queasy. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 13:53:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:53:01 +0100 Subject: HW: White Zone In-Reply-To: <346B42D9.7C50@agile.com> Message-ID: At 13:11 13/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >What is this CD called _Chalice of the Stars_? Track 9 is >"Moonbeam," if that helps. > >MWood Somebody asked the list about this about a year or so ago, and nobody knew then. But, behold: mayhap 'tis the new Psychedelic Warriors album? Talk about planning ahead! (and as we already know, the Hawks are all heads ;-) Christian PS: BOC-L went into friggin overdrive!!!!!!!!!!!!! You people better stop taking all these stimulants. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 13:57:49 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:57:49 +0100 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <01BCF05E.E25D7920.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Just got this today. Friggin awesome. the warm cozy crackle of organic vinyl packed into computer files yes yes, all the ICU albums/demos/live stuff/2nd worst selling video of all time AND MORE ALL on **ONE** CD!!!! Steve Pond is selling these off, and folks, you all need a copy!Yes yes yes. !!!!!!!!!, Christian From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Thu Nov 13 13:59:41 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:41 -0500 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971113195749.0074121c@online.no> Message-ID: sign me up!! On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Christian Mumford wrote: > Just got this today. Friggin awesome. the warm cozy crackle of organic > vinyl packed into computer files yes yes, all the ICU albums/demos/live > stuff/2nd worst selling video of all time AND MORE ALL on **ONE** CD!!!! > Steve Pond is selling these off, and folks, you all need a copy!Yes yes yes. > > !!!!!!!!!, > > Christian > From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 14:10:02 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:10:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Photos and Review Message-ID: Dear Hawkers, I have put together my recollections and a few photos from the tour, the photos (about 16 of them at about 30K per photo) are at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/hat.htm and the review/ramble through my backbrain is at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/gqrvw.htm If anyone has not got web access, but would like either the gifs or my version of a review then I'll send them some stuff. Mike w From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 14:20:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:20:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: ObMuppet: The Swedish Chef (was OFF: ObCD) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 19.40 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > One disgusting thing (among many) > about Norway is smalahove. Smalahove is roasted sheep's > head. Watch granny nimbly pick out those eyballs and chew > the hell out of them, and then the old crone will > suck that scolded skin off that warty sheep's tongue!!! > MMM-MMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like the Icelandic svidh ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 13 14:27:23 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:27:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: >What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? The eerily quiet, almost pause moment in the middle as 'Astronomy' where Eric shields his face from the light (that never warms) and all you can hear is Don's sublime-guitar... 'till albert kicks in on Live '1976... Patti's verbal intro to 'Vera Gemeni'... Allen, Joe, and Buck racing to the same spot to do that bit on E.T.I. as they all kinda lean backwards and look up as they play it.... also that little vocal thing Joe did in the background on ME-262 Don at his most ethereal on the guitar at the opening of 'I love the night'... Eric's all-too weary vocals on 'Veteran of the Psychic Wars'... The sheer audio attack of the opening of 'The Red & The Black'... The 5-guitar attack synchronized sequence in This Ain't the Summer of Love in Live '76... That nifty little transition from 'Screams' into 'SABAAF' etc. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 14:30:01 1997 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (Robert W. Prince) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: There are alot of these, but for some reason the first one that popped into my head was Buck talk/singing during "The Vigil" and then that cool guitar part...."I heard the whispers on the wind....." From mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 14:56:36 1997 From: mnspbm at MANAGEMENT.BATH.AC.UK (Paul Mitchell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:56:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Swindon show Message-ID: Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! Also at the end of the gig, Ron mentioned that the cover of Distant Horizons was nothing to do with the band. Anyone know why the band used it if they were unhappy with it? Finally, was it just me or was there a problem with the righthand speaker stack for part of the evening....still, the tape came out fine if anyone would like to trade (Bernhard: do you still need a copy?) Paul From mwood at AGILE.COM Thu Nov 13 15:02:34 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:02:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade Message-ID: I'm just about to post a list of CDs for sale to the rec.music.marketplace.cd newsgroup. Since a few of the items might interest some Hawkfans, I thought I'd give people here first crack at those. If you're interested in any of these CDs (sale or trade), drop me a line. Hawkwind - _BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert_ Hawkwind - _Best of Friends & Relations_ (on Emporio label; same tracklist as Anagram version) Hawkwind - _Area S4_ (still in shrinkwrap) Melting Euphoria - _Upon the Solar Winds_ MWood NP: _Eclat de Vers_ - Eclat From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 14:47:16 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:47:16 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971113195749.0074121c@online.no> Message-ID: Hi Christian, So ...you like it right? :) Cheers! -Steve On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:57:49 +0100, you wrote: >Just got this today. Friggin awesome. the warm cozy crackle of organic >vinyl packed into computer files yes yes, all the ICU albums/demos/live >stuff/2nd worst selling video of all time AND MORE ALL on **ONE** CD!!!! >Steve Pond is selling these off, and folks, you all need a copy!Yes yes yes. > >!!!!!!!!!, > >Christian From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 15:24:24 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:24:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindon show In-Reply-To: <40DF24B32937D01181200000C0AF23E039B01E@man3.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Paul Mitchell wrote > Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the > Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! It is the chap from Krell and Spacehead, who I think is called Mr Gibb. > Finally, was it just me or was there a problem with the righthand > speaker stack for part of the evening. Indeed there was, the sound person came out and listened to it and disappeared then we could hear more mid, then after another check we got more of the speakers working, or more of Jerry's guitar coming through, but as I had heard lots of Jerry's guitar previously I thoguth the sound wasn't overly spoiled. I was more irritated with the gig at Oxford, where there was a synth tweeting of birds sound that lasted through most of A&B and golden void, until that keyboard was used in Assassins. It meant the simple beauty of GV was marred by busy and wrong noises. Mike w From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 13 16:22:30 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:22:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio Concert Message-ID: > ROTFL? Rolling on the floor laughing. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 13 16:32:03 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:32:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Oh, there are many such things - here's a few I remember: Eric (at an '85 show in Boston) - "Hey, how 'bout the Red Sox and the Mets in the World Series next year?" -- sure enough, in 1986, these 2 teams played in the Series. Joe -- bass solo at the Worcester Centrum show in '82 (my first BOC concert) with parts of Pink Floyd's "Money" thrown in. Albert - meeting him for the first time at a tBS gig in Boston (3 years ago - Nov. '94). Allen - The keyboard parts in "Roadhouse Blues" (again, Worcester '82) while emanating huge clouds of cigarette smoke. Buck - standing next to him in a men's room (adjacent urinals) at a Worcester hotel in '82 after a show - no I didn't say anything to him - I was too much in awe by the freak occurrence of the experience - luckily, I didn't turn toward him and say "Hi" while I was doing what I was doing or he might've been really pissed (pun intended). John From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Nov 13 16:40:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:40:31 -0500 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: well, space bandits WAS copyrighted 1990, so is 90's right? i didnt much care for her antics either, tho they arent much different from what tree is doing.. i like her vocals, although she is a little flat without studio help. and i like all of spacebandits. i think i could put together a 90's double lp just as good as yours with all different tunes. rj Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On ons 12 nov 1997 14.29 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > i sense an anti-bridgett person here! > > Well, if we counted _Space Bandits_ as "90s" I reckon the only really > decent track on the album was "Images". :) In fact, I quite like "Images"! > And I suppose the "Back in the Box" on _Palace Springs_ was all right, and > might be 90s. > > I would ban her on-stage antics though from any video :) > > Cheers, > Carl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 15:58:23 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:58:23 EDT Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Joe -- bass solo at the Worcester Centrum show in '82 (my first BOC concert) > with parts of Pink Floyd's "Money" thrown in. > #@&* you John! Just won't let it die, will ya... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 13 17:05:24 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:05:24 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: Yepp, it was a joke, I will not unsubscribe. I was wondering if the joke would be funnier with or without ;^>, I decided without, hope You agree on that one. Kenneth >i really hope that's a complete joke. your idea is not a bad one, but >perhaps your >tasteis a bit more discriminating. just about anything HW does is fine >with me. i >would gladly wade thru 3 bad tunes to hear one ultra tune. =) >rj Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 13 17:05:46 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:05:46 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates. Message-ID: Hi again, When I got the dates yesterday I was really extatic so there where a few rather important things I forgot. Band (January): Klas Edmundsson - Guitar Jonas Faeldt - Drums & Perc. (Ulf couldn't make it, he will be back in the band in april) Knut Gerwers - Recital Kenneth Magnusson - Keyboards Hans Moll - Vocals Stefan Renstr?m - Bass & Synth's Nik Turner - Flute, Sax & Vocals Calvert: As You notice Knut is in the band for the tour, as You probably guessed he will read Calvert-stuff, mainly non-recorded (I think). He will also provide some "angst". I don't know if he'll join us in april but I guess so, or....? By the way, a note from Knut: > Sa, 10.1.98: Dresden, Schiuene * to be the correct German: "Schiuene" is most likely "Scheune" April: The april gigs will be together with the band Suicidal Flowers. They are organizing the U.K. dates. >Uh, they're not far enough north ;-) . But seriously, is there any chance >of a gig in Edinburgh or Glasgow? Oh, maybe we should try it, I will contact our contacts in the U.K. >I'm hoping I'll be living in Sthlm from March... so I'll try to come and >see you... >You'll remind us again, won't you? Only if You all agree with my opinions in the future ;^> Yes, I will, however news on line-ups and ticket outlets will be on our homepage (adress below), bigger news I will transmit to You directly. We also hope to put out some live-clips from Hamburg this summer soon, in RealAudio, I think (Hans is handling these things). Probably back soon with other forgotten things, Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 13 17:05:59 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:05:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: >My stomach still quivers when I hear that word! I guess so, but it's delicious!! >What is it that one washes it down with again? Vargtass??? Ah, You'll have to agree on that one, Vodka and Lingonberrys (?). Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 13 17:07:02 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:07:02 +0100 Subject: Svenska =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6rnan=2FSwedish?= Corner(was: Re: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.) Message-ID: Hej, Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! >ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det g?r >?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver email >ist?llet ds L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... > >"Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." > -Joachim H?kansson Joo, s? ?r det nog. Kenneth Swedish ObCD: Anna Sj?lv Tredje-Tussilago Fanfara Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 13 17:31:17 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:31:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons lyrics Message-ID: Here goes again... Ron's lyrics are a bit of a word salad, which doesn't make it easy... Reptoid Vision: The crown is red, turn gold into lead Mercury switch and the atom is split High tension wire, fire burnin' your eyes Wheels of flame through the crack in the sky ... I lose [???] Atom brain cell in a nuclear mind Punch cocktail sip radioactive 2000 cockroach on a nuclear shockwave Reptoid vision, silicon eyes Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye The gravity claw is scratching my brain My feet are itching on the suicide train Daddy was a loony in the looniest way Mummy was a reptile ... ... the colour of red Rep-sect in-tile in my head Digital crystal, scratched with the scene Escalator sidewalks, compared with our dreams Fire created the chemical motion Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean Reptoid vision, silicon eyes Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye The gravity claw is scratching my brain My feet are slipping on the suicide train Revelations, everybody! Revelations, I say! You know the devil... Atomic mutation A man with five legs Animal bird and human Genetic engineering Hey little boy Hey Mum and Dad Hey Uncle Sam Centipede head, reptilian legs Abdominal chest with a silicon breast Back of the queue when they picked out my brain Got to break out of the DNA Digital crystal, scratched with the scene Escalator sidewalks, split at the seams Fire created the chemical motion Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean Reptoid vision, silicon eyes Pain switched off, press the button and die I told you before I won't tell you again My teeth are biting on the suicide game Population Overload: I had barely left home before I noticed the rush Thousands of people in a crush Forcing me to move with my arms in front of my chest A straitjacket suit, a concrete vest All sizes same, looking straight ahead What are you thinking of? Are we brain-dead? The world's gone cock-eyed Set to explode Protoplasmic nucleus of DNA code Automatic elevating ... accelerating Automatic elevating The escalator ... Wheels: Ship of steel, container of oil In this world of the wheel This world of oil Our watch is declared, we must move on Blackbird was heard, we were death to its song Eyes of Apaches dictating the smoke In cities, is there no hope? In this world of the wheel This world of oil World of the wheel World of oil [then some more very faint stuff] - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 16:52:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:52:37 EDT Subject: BOC Precious Moments Message-ID: Hoofah, I got a million of 'em, but I'll try to keep it down a bit for the sake of all you BOC tyros out there. You can't help it you weren't born in the Cenezoic era... Biggest BOC thrill was probably roadieing for the band at Weedsport Speedway for a huge outdoor gig. Getting to handle and set up the band's gear was something else. But that was topped, when, during a break, I got friendly with the guitar tech, who let me play Buck's guitars! I could've died happy at that moment... Seeing BOC headline a gonzo show at Rich Stadium at the height of the laser era. With openers like Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd, and a crowd of? Who knows, the place holds 80,000 for football, and it was packed...We were about 30 feet from the stage. Not sure of the date, but Skynyrd had just released Street Survivors [and would be forever scarred by the fatal crash about a week later!] so I'm guessing 1977. Which would mean BOC was supporting Spectres. This show was pretty much the zenith of the laser days. Outdoor gig meant the beams traveled for miles into the horizon...A version of TCtLDoM that will be permanently etched into whatever brain I have left in the years to come. Imagine BOC totally owning a crown of over 50,000--heaven on earth... Obviously the first show, which I believe was in Utica NY, before ST came out. Pretty sure that's the one opening for BTO. Never had I anticipated a show like that in my life, and man, did they deliver... A show at Saratoga in support of OYFoOYK. A free concert, with a young Journey [just released their first album--these guys were amazing before they went commercial] Second row for that one. Eric sat on the piano and sang Astronomy. Incredible sound for that gig. EB using a righteous HiWatt amp...Show featured the duelling guitars on BtBW...Pretty sure Al was wearing 'lederhosen' [sp?] for that one! A bar gig in support of the hated CN. Significant only for the fact that it was the first time I met BD and EB, and talked to them a bit and got autographs... And believe it or not, this summer's outdoor gig, 'cause I got right up to the stage and took lots of righteous pictures... All for now, I'm sure I'll come up with a hundred more by morning... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 13 17:21:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:21:36 EDT Subject: BOC Precious Moments Message-ID: Pathetic sow responding to my own post: > Biggest BOC thrill was probably roadieing for the band at Weedsport > Speedway for a huge outdoor gig. Getting to handle and set up the Also noteworthy for EB's memorable line: I smell a lotta weed in Weedsport... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Nov 13 18:20:44 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:20:44 -0800 Subject: HW:Sale Message-ID: details soon. If you have his phone number you can give > > > him a call. 718-723-1662 (NYC) > > If anyone is calling him from the US then I'd be interested in either or > both Hassan I Sabha singles and the Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP. I'm > willing to pay the ridiculous prices I know these items will command if > not the price to make a phone call to the US.... > > FoFP I just called him, and he said he's selling it only as a whole, for $1400, no individual items. :( Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 19:02:34 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:02:34 +0100 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <346b58ae.12520476@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 19:47 13/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Hi Christian, > >So ...you like it right? :) > >Cheers! > >-Steve !"#?%&@?$+'^?'!!!! Yeah. Now run out and spend those ?28 on Hawkwind :-) The sound quality is amazing. Why? On my little shit speakers, which with regular CDs of the highest sound quality still sound like two tin cans connected by a string, the ICU CDrom sounds like the best hi-fi imaginable. Maybe it has to do with the vinyl sound? The range is much more "alive" and the stereo effects mindblowing. Why won't this happen with my normal CDs huh? EVEN the crap ones mastered from vinyl!!!!!! Or maybe it's just cos it's ICU it sounds so good!???? (...but seriously, folks... :-) Christian From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Nov 13 18:42:23 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:42:23 -0700 Subject: BOC: fav moments Message-ID: My first concert in 1975. BOC with Kansas and Ted Nugent warming up at the Long Beach Sports Arena. Besides being the coolest thing I've ever experienced, a couple of things stand out in my memory. The strobe light ending of Flaming Telepaths where it seemed like the band would explode at the end. The light reflecting off the mirrored ball during the solo of Last Days of May. Joe Bouchard becoming my favorite bass player. OD'd on Life Itself being even cooler live than on album. Al Lanier doing a whole show without smoking a cigarette. Stairway to the Stars being the best opening song ever ( why the HELL couldn't this have been on OYFOOYK?). On the lighter side at a later show, during the guitar break right before the lead in The Reaper Buck dropped his pick (this was before the days of the pick lined mike stand). He stopped, then decided to try it without the pick, then realized that it would be a fatal mistake when he got to the lead part, so he stopped again and picked up the pick. It was a comical moment during the most intense part of the song. You had to be there. Brad Dahl "Here I am, ready to help" Lawrence of Palladium (for a few more days anyways) http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 19:04:24 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:04:24 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Svenska_H=F6rnan/Swedish_Corner(was:_Re?= : HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:07 13/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hej, > >Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! > >>ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det g?r >>?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver email >>ist?llet ds > >L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... og meg! og meg!! Lille Norge, ikke glem oss i lille Norge da! H?? dum?kkeglemmeossass?!!!! eplekjekk gutt, Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 19:37:09 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:37:09 +0000 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! Message-ID: I must bite the bullet, cough up the cash, and order this. Is it compatible with both Macs and PCs? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 19:39:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:39:17 +0000 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 16.40 -0500 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > and i > like all of spacebandits. i think i could put together a 90's double lp just > as good as yours > with all different tunes. Well, I did say mileage would vary :) (But no "Mask of Morning"?! No "LSD"?! No "Sputnik Stan"?!) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 19:45:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:45:17 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Svenska_H=F6rnan/Swedish_Corner(was:_Re_:______________HW/NIK:_Moor_and_Nik_tour_dates.)?= Message-ID: On fre 14 nov 1997 01.04 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > At 23:07 13/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Hej, >>Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! >> >>>ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det g?r >>>?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver email >>>ist?llet ds >> >>L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... > > og meg! og meg!! Lille Norge, ikke glem oss i lille Norge da! H?? > dum?kkeglemmeossass?!!!! ?r den har inte rolig? Oj, Scott Heller? Vet du nog dansk att skriva n?gra f?r oss? :) (I can be the *bad* Swedish corner :) mvh, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 13 19:41:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:41:06 +0100 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <1393173.3088456629@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 00:37 14/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > I must bite the bullet, cough up the cash, and order this. Is it >compatible with both Macs and PCs? yeah. and only ?15!!!!!!!!! Christian > >Cheers, >Carl From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Nov 13 20:03:55 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:03:55 -0800 Subject: BOC: favorite moments In-Reply-To: <199711132358.QAA20749@mars.aros.net> Message-ID: A concert in Seattle a few years ago, when they played "I Love The Night", for what EB said was the first time live in over 15 years. During the concert, three friends and I were pressed up against equipment boxes right in front of the stage; there was about a 6 inch gap above the boxes and below the stage. During one of the warmup bands, some guy off to our right (in a white turtleneck signed by the BOC band members) pulled out Mr. Happy and took a leak through the gap, under the stage. The bouncers got to him about 5 minutes later, but he was back before the end of the show. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 20:04:26 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:04:26 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <1393173.3088456629@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:37:09 +0000, you wrote: > I must bite the bullet, cough up the cash, and order this. Is it >compatible with both Macs and PCs? Actually at the moment it`s more PC than Mac.. :) it does work on the Mac, don`t get me wrong, but you have to suffer stupid windows file names, I`ll get my finger out and make a mac compatible one if anyone orders one! -Steve From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 20:08:41 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:08:41 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971114010234.00749e40@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:02:34 +0100, you wrote: >!"#?%&@?$+'^?'!!!! Yeah. Now run out and spend those ?28 on Hawkwind :-) Some one has promised to send me those 4 tracks to finish the job.. my 28 quid is safe.. :) >Or maybe it's just cos it's ICU it sounds so good!???? Yeah right! (Pah!) Actually I don`t know.. but it sounds fine here too.. I did put some effort into the sampling and the whole thing took 2 months to do (Not part time.. all day for 2 months while I had no "real" work..) I just wish I`d had crackle free albums to make it from. -Steve From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Thu Nov 13 21:20:09 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:20:09 -0800 Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade Message-ID: > > Hawkwind - _BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert_ > Hawkwind - _Best of Friends & Relations_ (on Emporio label; > same tracklist as Anagram version) > Hawkwind - _Area S4_ (still in shrinkwrap) > Melting Euphoria - _Upon the Solar Winds_ > >MWood > >NP: _Eclat de Vers_ - Eclat > > > What songs are on the Area S4? I've seen this listed on the net, but never had any idea what songs are on it. Also, what is Melting Euphoria? -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Nov 13 20:38:18 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:38:18 -0500 Subject: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)) Message-ID: no, carl, no! i was NOT knocking your selections. i think it would make a SPLENDID collection! i was only pointing out that while those songs might be your faves, a whole slew of other tunes from the same era might hit the spot in a different mood. rj Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On tor 13 nov 1997 16.40 -0500 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > and i > > like all of spacebandits. i think i could put together a 90's double lp > just > > as good as yours > > with all different tunes. > > Well, I did say mileage would vary :) > > (But no "Mask of Morning"?! No "LSD"?! No "Sputnik Stan"?!) > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 13 10:11:17 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:11:17 +0800 Subject: HW: Live Legends (was Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)))) Message-ID: >> I always fast forward through that bit. There's only so much one can bare. > >That's a very revealing comment. > I find it annoying that the camera is aimed squarely on the dancer for the majority of the track (about 10 mins.). I suppose I could always turn the brightness down on the video, although that would be defeating the purpose of the video. William From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Nov 13 21:07:58 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:07:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Wishart Message-ID: Scott B wrote: > Wishart was a pro, and sang in tune 100% of the time (!) but her stage > presence (costume changes, a few props) seemed more suited to the cheesy > amateur theatrics of an 80's neo-prog outfit than the mighty 'Wind. Bridget didn't play an instrument so I think a few costume changes allowed her to add to the show. I enjoyed her performance in Minneapolis. You can say that theatrics are cheesy, but alot of people enjoy 'em(many bands use them). I think Calvert himself put on a few costumes and acted the part, sure he was probably more convincing than Bridget, but a little mania can give you credence :). I > found her to be competent, but not compelling. I don't think she was > really into what she was doing. And on tunes like "Reefer Madness" she was > just plain unconvincing. Again, I recall her performance of RM at Glam Slam and she seemed to be in to it and enjoying herself very much. Maybe you saw her on a bad day? -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Nov 13 21:16:32 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:16:32 +1100 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: At 10:59 PM 12/11/97 -0500, Scott wrote: >At 23:04 11/12/97 +0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: >>This style thread often crops up in other music related groups/lists and >>is quite fun to participate in - if not _actually_ interesting! So, I >>thought I'd give it a try. >> For me, the power of Levitiation/Circles on "Do not panic Stonehenge" are one of many highlights. Dream Worker on the Night of the Hawks vid, and of course Paradox, and the almighty D-rider from HotMG. All of HHL's guitar work on Levitation rules. But, the moment that I discovered HW was when I heard the intro riff to Brainstorm, off Doremi , and this perhaps is the highlight of all. Troy Oh yeah, and I think Nik's live versions of some of the stuff are highlights of my life. =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 13 22:44:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:44:21 +0000 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! Message-ID: On fre 14 nov 1997 01.04 +0000 "Steve Pond" wrote: > Actually at the moment it`s more PC than Mac.. :) it does work on the > Mac, don`t get me wrong, but you have to suffer stupid windows file > names, I`ll get my finger out and make a mac compatible one if anyone > orders one! Windows file names? Disgraceful! :) Well, I'd quite like to order a respectable Mac one, if I can. How long do you reckon it would take to whip into shape? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Nov 13 21:44:38 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:44:38 +1100 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: At 12:16 PM 13/11/97 -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >What are BOC fans fave moments of oystercultery? > The intro riff to FOUO, The solo in "Sinful Love" The drum bit intro to "She's as beautiful as a foot" The "Carpe Diem!" bit on "Siege...etc..Frankenstein's..etc" The key change during the start of the final solo on Astronomy from Cult Classic. The Killer riff from "Vengence (the Pact)" The whole keyboard sound on FOUO. The drum sound off "Veins" from RBN The final solo from "Moon Crazy" The intro to "White Flags" The intro to "Quicklime girl" The awesome solo on "I love the night" The whole of "Subhuman" from OYFOOYK- there has been no better intro song for a live album, ever, on the face of the Earth. Eric's vocals on "Eyes on Fire" The solos on "Hungry Boys" The piano solo on "Unknown Tongue" The piano intro to "Joan Crawford" "Wings Wetted Down" " Flaming Telepaths" ........and the most awesome guitar solo in hard music history... the solo at the end of "Dominance and Submission" from ST. I could go on. Troy >Mine listed below: >BOC: ME 262 and 7SDb off of OYFoOYK simply because it sounds as if the band >was > on the verge of exploding with absolute rock and roll energy and the 72 > bootleg version of WoTT > >Buck/Albert: the guitar/drum duet in 7SDb off of OYF > >Albert:The evil music build to the final verse of Quicklime Girl; > >Buck:watching Buck's fingers fly faster than light around the frets during >the end part of (DF)tR at Buffalo one summer evening; the start of the >final guitar solo in OYF's Subhuman > >Joe: Nosferatu > >A. Lanier: the piano in Astronomy circa _ST_/True Confessions vocal > >Eric: um...just a minute... I know there is one... (just kidding)the idea >for the 5 man guitar jam and vocal in 7SDb on OYF/Black Blade on ETL > > >jason > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Nov 13 22:38:28 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:38:28 -0600 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Allen's piano, Joan Crawford... Finding Club Ninja on tape at Best Buy for $3.99... When I first saw BOC they were the headliner's. Capital Center, Largo MD 1975-76 school year, "On Your Feet or On your Knees". I'm getting old... Getting Club Ninja on CD... Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... DFtR on SEE... Knowing for the rest of my life Feet/Knees is the best live album of all time... Astronomy is the only song I ever loved twice... Buck Dharma will always be my favorite guitarist... Seeing BOC in 1994...first time in 19 years...I'm getting old... Secret Treaties... BOC, a personal experience... lil' ab OBCD Bug Alley - Gary Hoey From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 22:51:54 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:51:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Joe played Money riffs at Alfred Tech in 83, also:-) Let's say it was well suited for most of the crowd. (Did anyone pick up anything off the stage floor that night???) chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Nov 13 21:58:59 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:58:59 +1100 Subject: OFF: Re: Svenska =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6rnan?= /Swedish Corner(was: Re: HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.) Message-ID: At 11:07 PM 13/11/97 +0100, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > > >Swedish ObCD: Anna Sj?lv Tredje-Tussilago Fanfara > Jag tycker om: ObSvCD: Jerusalem, Volym tre Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Nov 13 23:31:16 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:31:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: Reply to message from fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK of Thu, 13 Nov > >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> >Huw's solo in "Who's Gonna Win The War" I get shivers every time I listen to it. >> Calvert's menacing tone on 'Steppenwolf'... For me, it's gotta be Freefall when it comes to a Calvert moment. >All of You'd Better Believe It The first three songs on HOtMG. Psychedelic Warlords, Wind of Change, and D-Rider. These should never be played without being togeher. The way PW ends with an explosion and the sounds of a lonley wind, right after singing about disappearing in smoke and all that., then Simon's violin, another one that sends shivers, And then to be followed by D-Rider. What more need be said. TOP MEMORABLE MOMENT Seeing them in Cleveland in 1974, I went not knowing what to expect, and left knowing that you can be taken to another place and brought back by music. Hawkwind is the only band that can make me stoned without the help of any sensory enhancing chemicals. Take Care all, Duane From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Nov 13 23:49:47 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:49:47 -0600 Subject: Favourite Moments Message-ID: The beginning of "LSD"... The beginning of "Images"... The crescendo from "Space is their..." back into "Assassins"... The harmony in "Demented Man"... The Beavis-&-Butthead-style heavy metal riff in the middle of "Death Trap" (Duh-nuh-nuht, Duh-nuh-nuht, , DUT DUT; ) The way "Black Corridor" leads into "Space Is Deep" on Space Ritual. That's all for now! Damon From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Nov 13 23:25:44 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:25:44 -0500 Subject: OFFISH: Announcing SPACEROCK CENTRAL featuring B0RNtoG0 & Alien Planetscapes Message-ID: Announcing SPACEROCK CENTRAL featuring the music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. SPACEROCK CENTRAL's objective is to promote SpaceRock It is sponsored by east-coast SpaceRockers B0RNtoG0, provides homepage space for the incredible Alien Planetscapes and will feature other fine SpaceRock acts. NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW * more AP pages with pics of Dr Synth himself, Doug Walker * more B0RN to G0 pages featuring their version of Bob Calverts Lord of the Hornets, recorded live at the Elbow Room NYC 11/11/97 * FEEDBACK section email us NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW Go here---> <---Go here To Come Soon!: * Sound Files from Alien Planetscapes debut CD 'Life on Earth' * Gear for sale or trade section * Links to Spacerock sites worldwide! * SpaceRock reviews and SpaceRock News! * Forthcoming live dates * SpaceRock events * Fanzine links In Space we Trust, Marc. -- "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Nov 13 23:42:01 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:42:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: George Geranios on ETL Message-ID: There was a discussion on the alt.boc board about live albums and I asked George to comment on Live stuff, since the BDB is a pure soundboard and hasn't been worked on. (Although George thinks I was playing around with Shooting Shark:-) The question was something like: "George, how much of the so called Live albums are actually live?" >>I'd like to get the latest version of the show if possible: Regarding live albums, it was common in the seventies for bands like KISS to put out 'live" records that were mostly, if not all, studio creations. Perhaps the projects began as live multitracks, and upon careful reflection most everything got replaced. It's said that one famous album is just basically a fake, begun and ended in a studio. I can't speak for the earlier albums, but ETL contains only two overdubs: Bucks vocal in the Reaper was sung well, but the engineer who recored the live multitrack (I waz at front-of-house) overcompressed the vocal, rendering it unusable. Joe replaced a bass part (in what song I have long-ago forgotten) because he felt he had "clammed." That's it-all the rest totally live. To answer your question, no I haven't explored any chat (alt) type sites. I'll eventually get there, I'm sure. Gotta run, In LA with Anthrax.......gpg << Maybe we can get George to join BOC-L:-) chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 14 00:16:55 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:16:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Traffic is HIGH! Message-ID: Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep up with this? Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 14 00:50:27 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:50:27 -0600 Subject: OFFISH: Announcing SPACEROCK CENTRAL featuring B0RNtoG0 & Alien Message-ID: Heya Marc. On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:25:44 -0500 Marc Power wrote: >To Come Soon!: >* Sound Files from Alien Planetscapes debut CD 'Life on Earth' Speaking of... I was wondering if you (or anyone else out there) knew if there were plans on releasing A.P-Scapes' other supposed 104 releases on CD eventually. Thanks, Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 14 00:55:51 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:55:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons lyrics Message-ID: Does it seem to anyone else that HW are rehashing a lot of old stuff on this new album? On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:31:17 -0000 Andrew Gilham wrote: >Reptoid Vision: [snip] This is just Part II of "Alien I Am", it seems to me. It even has the same basic main-riff (the tritone riff at the beginnings). I mean, it's an awesome song, but just a bit unoriginal. >Population Overload: Just a different angle on "Heads"? or am I thinking of a different song? I'm probably wrong about this one. :-) >Wheels: > >Ship of steel, container of oil >In this world of the wheel >This world of oil >Our watch is declared, we must move on >Blackbird was heard, we were death to its song >Eyes of Apaches dictating the smoke >In cities, is there no hope? >In this world of the wheel >This world of oil >World of the wheel >World of oil Hmmm... isn't this just Assassins of Allah? Oh, well... as if HW has never rehashed old material before. :-) Damon From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Nov 14 01:12:34 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:12:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: George Geranios on ETL Message-ID: oh, here's the rest of it... >>Regarding live albums, it was common in the seventies for bands like KISS to put out 'live" records that were mostly, if not all, studio creations. Perhaps the projects began as live multitracks, and upon careful reflection most everything got replaced. It's said that one famous album is just basically a fake, begun and ended in a studio. I can't speak for the earlier albums, but ETL contains only two overdubs: Bucks vocal in the Reaper was sung well, but the engineer who recored the live multitrack (I waz at front-of-house) overcompressed the vocal, rendering it unusable. Joe replaced a bass part (in what song I have long-ago forgotten) because he felt he had "clammed." That's it-all the rest totally live. To answer your question, no I haven't explored any chat (alt) type sites. I'll eventually get there, I'm sure. Gotta run, In LA with Anthrax.......gpg chuck http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 14 01:14:21 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:14:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade In-Reply-To: <346BB559.3532@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: At 18:20 13/11/97 -0800, MWood wrote: >> Hawkwind - _Best of Friends & Relations_ (on Emporio label; >> same tracklist as Anagram version) actually, they are not......... >> Hawkwind - _Area S4_ (still in shrinkwrap) I am interested in this one. Did you ever find any extra Radio Actors singles? Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 14 01:16:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:16:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Traffic is HIGH! In-Reply-To: <199711140516.XAA13425@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: At 23:16 13/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep >up with this? > >Damon No shit! They are all on something probably. Freaks!!! Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 14 05:43:59 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:43:59 +0100 Subject: Svenska Hörnan/Swedish Corner(was: Re : HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.) Message-ID: >>Hej, >> >>Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! >> >>>ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det g?r >>>?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver email >>>ist?llet ds >> >>L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... >og meg! og meg!! Lille Norge, ikke glem oss i lille Norge da! H?? >dum?kkeglemmeossass?!!!! > >eplekjekk gutt, > >Christian > Det blev inget k?seri! Datorn strulade med mig och sedan f?rsvann allt som jag skrivit... :-( S? jag skrev ett nytt ig?r ist?llet. Om elakingen B?ngverket och skurkbyggarna Gr?v (fast de har ju tagit bort prickarna ? heter bara Grav numera). Om det blev roligt eller inte kan inte jag avg?ra, hursomhelst hade jag kul n?r jag skrev det... men jag vill nog inte att det s?nds. Tror jag skriver ?nnu ett nytt. D? kan jag om Christians skr?ck f?r svensk mat. Eller om ?lgar kanske. Annars har jag funderat p? att g?ra ngt om Trustor, men det k?nns som om det ?r sv?rt att f? till det d?. - Daniel (...or Danielk?) "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 14 05:47:07 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:47:07 +0100 Subject: Svenska Hörnan/Swedish Corner(was: Re : HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.) Message-ID: > > ?r den har inte rolig? Oj, Scott Heller? Vet du nog dansk att skriva n?gra f?r oss? :) > > (I can be the *bad* Swedish corner :) > >mvh, >Carl > BTW Carl, the author of Pippi - Astrid Lindgren, celebrates her 90th birthday today. Drick f?r henne! portzibie - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Nov 14 05:54:24 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:54:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: Troy Harris wote > For me, the power of Levitiation/Circles on "Do not panic Stonehenge" are >one of many highlights. Dream Worker on the Night of the Hawks vid, and of >course Paradox, and the almighty D-rider from HotMG. > > All of HHL's guitar work on Levitation rules. > >But, the moment that I discovered HW was when I heard the intro > riff to >Brainstorm, off Doremi , and this perhaps is the highlight of all. > >Troy > > >Oh yeah, and I think Nik's live versions of some of the stuff are >highlights of my life. I totally agree with the 'Levitation/Circles' on 'Do not panic', I think that this album contains the best versions of these tracks that I have heard. The power of them is awesome, I only wish that I'd been there to experience it in person. Getting back on track, another one of my favourite moments was the tracks they did for the 'Travellers Aid Trust' album, I cant remember the titles at the moment ( one of them might have been 'Blue Dreamer' ), but I do remember that one of them contained the sounds of police helicopters with the usual 'If you do not leave the area you will be arrested' spiel which enhanced the track no end. I'll have to dig it out, but I've only got it on vinyl and I don't have a record player at the moment..... Richard. From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 05:59:43 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:59:43 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Nov 1997 to 10 Nov 1997 In-Reply-To: <199711101019.KAA17266@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > >" Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never > >the night. > >In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet > >my destiny" [sniffle sniff] Are you trying to reduce grown men and women to tears? > From: Ron Jennings > Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) > > > The problem with albums like Electric Tepe, It Is The Business... and Alien > > 4 is that they are too long, there are plenty of songs that could be > > 'classics' but they fall together with all the crap that comes with them on > > these albums. There are more albums suffering from the same disease, Rush - > > Counterparts and Test For Echo, David Bowie - outside, Yes - Union etc etc. My gripe with some of the later albums is similar - it's not that the music is crap it's just that the tempos are so different it's difficult to beleive that you are listening to the same album (or even band in some cases) There is apparently very little thought gone into the compilation, predominantly they have just been a set of songs that they are playing at that time. There's some good spacey tracks or musically sound sections so there you are drifting away in the armchair and then and you are shot out of your seat.. and the band have decided to play the Sex Pistols... I'd like Hawkwind to release an album compiled with all spacey/musical or all punky - that way I could play an appropriate album dependant upon my mood, which as you might have gathered from the tone of this posting is definatley 'punk' today. Grrrrrr Maxine > Q: How about Gong ? > > (Mel) Chisolm : Is that an indie band ? ROTFL From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 06:26:21 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:26:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Traffic is HIGH! In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's message of Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:16:55 -0600 Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART writes: > Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep > up with this? I think we are suffering the electronic equivalent of El Nino - after the drought, the flood!! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 06:28:13 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:28:13 GMT Subject: HW: UK online CD mailorder?? Message-ID: Christian wrote: > Looking for well stocked UK answer to CDWorld/CDnow etc. > Are there any ones to recommend? The only UK mailorder > I use is Blackmail which stock alot of prog/psych reissues > but not much new. Need to get the new HW (& other UK CDs)! Try CDZone at http://www.cdzone.co.uk They have an _extensive_ catalogue (92 Hawkwind items), sell vinyl (shock horror!) and seem quite a bit cheaper than record shops. I can't speak for the quality of their service yet - I placed my first order with them yesterday. BTW the combination of on-line shopping and a credit card is potentially lethal. The plan I formulated was to only buy stuff that my wife will like as well, then she can't complain about how much I spent :-) Chris From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 06:56:23 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:56:23 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <2068734.3088467861@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Carl, Most stuff to do with Windoze is disgraceful.. I use it.. but I hate it. Won`t take long.. I`ll do it now.. all I have to do is make the filenames shorter and compile an ISO96thingywhatsit one, I have a Mac I can test it on.. (albiet emulated on an Amiga.. ..now THERE`s a computer.) -Steve On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:44:21 +0000, you wrote: > Windows file names? Disgraceful! :) Well, I'd quite like to order a >respectable Mac one, if I can. How long do you reckon it would take to >whip into shape? > >Cheers, >Carl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 06:53:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:53:38 EDT Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... > Shit, I've got 'em all on vinyl, incl. 2 copies of Imaginos! > theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 06:57:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:57:58 EDT Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: From: Troy Harris > ........and the most awesome guitar solo in hard music history... the solo > at the end of "Dominance and Submission" from ST. > > I could go on. > > Troy Yep, that's pretty much perfection, as well as the the lead fills at the end of Stairway, both lead breaks in COFWRaR... The solo on DaS fits the song so perfectly, as it mirrors the claustraphobia and uncertainty and frustration the song portrays, and then the frenzied finish to the solo...WOW! theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 12:17:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:17:20 +0000 Subject: HW : The Spice Girls In-Reply-To: <199711131504.PAA03158@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711131504.PAA03158 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes > >Waht sort of insightful comments would you expect from a few silly >little girls? They were playing with Barbie dolls when Hawkwind were >playing their 1000th gig. > >> Jon Browne > >FoFP Well, true. He showed it to me out of context i.e. HW in the company of Capt. Beefheart, Gong, Stone Roses etc. Knee-jerk response, really. I would've preferred them to say the occassionally maligned RCA period albums have weathered the years better than expected and are due for some serious reappraisal. All 5 of us think Living On A Knife Edge is fantastic and truly inspirational, and rarely off the turntable down at SpiceCentral HQ, where all 5 of us live, like The Monkees. No, really, that is was I expected. These people aren't worth 36million because they know nothing about music. Of course they do. It's an act. They know their Can from their Camel, I *am* sure. And they know the difference between Kluster and Cluster and who did what and what Klaus Dinger's doing now (or should I say Neu!) -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 08:20:10 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:20:10 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?OFF:_Svenska_H=96rnan/Swedish_Corner?= Message-ID: On fre 14 nov 1997 11.47 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > BTW Carl, the author of Pippi - Astrid Lindgren, celebrates her 90th birthday > today. > Drick f?r henne! Javisst! :) "Var inte ?nglig! Jag klarar mej alltid!" Sk?l, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson "Lever vi inte i ett Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic fritt land kanske?" St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk --Pippi L?ngstump http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Nov 14 08:26:43 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:26:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > At 18:20 13/11/97 -0800, MWood wrote: > >> Hawkwind - _Best of Friends & Relations_ (on Emporio label; > >> same tracklist as Anagram version) > actually, they are not......... All I can say is that the tracklist on this CD is identical to the one listed in the discography for the Anagram version. It is the Flicknife version that differs. > >> Hawkwind - _Area S4_ (still in shrinkwrap) > I am interested in this one. Did you ever find any extra Radio Actors > singles? Someone else has already expressed an interest in AreaS4. I haven't seen any more copies of Nuclear Waste yet, but I plan on hitting a couple more stores this weekend. Stay tuned. MWood From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 08:29:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:06 +0000 Subject: HW : The Spice Girls Message-ID: On tor 13 nov 1997 17.17 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > And they know the difference between Kluster and Cluster and who did > what and what Klaus Dinger's doing now (or should I say Neu!) Or possibly "jetzt" .... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 14 08:47:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:47:08 -0800 Subject: BOC: BOC Fans can do it too/traffic Message-ID: >Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep >up with this? >Damon 127 messages or two digests, your choice I suppose... >No shit! They are all on something probably. Freaks!!! >Christian Definitely, drugs by the name of BOC and HW... Continuing on... Buck's white leisure suit in the 70's Not seeing Allen smoke on stage in the 70's... Subhuman, the greatest live album opener of all time... Eric prancing around the stage with mirrored shades belting out Harvester of Eyes... Imagining Theo as a roadie and handling Buck's guitars... ST version of Dominance & Submission... The opening chrous, Golden Age of Leather... Any parts of Teen Archer... Having most of my collection autographed by Buck... Meeting Buck for the first time in '95... Danny Miranda playing bass... Hearing RBN for the first time... Any rendition of Stairway to the Stars... Hearing Lips in The Hills, live in '95... Waiting for years for EW... T-man..."Poof ..." ya know the rest. lil ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." - The Tick OBtape in the Walkman - King's X Los Angeles 6/17/94, Dogman Tour From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 08:51:47 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:51:47 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: Paul wrote: >Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the >Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! > >Also at the end of the gig, Ron mentioned that the cover of Distant >Horizons was nothing to do with the band. Anyone know why the band used >it if they were unhappy with it? I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen (though I'll have to stop and think about all the others just in case there's an equally poor job already out there). The back cover is really atrocious! Dave From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 14 09:25:20 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:25:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC Fans can do it too/traffic Message-ID: >Definitely, drugs by the name of BOC and HW... > >Continuing on... > >Buck's white leisure suit in the 70's What about the "Penny Pants"? >Waiting for years for EW... I fail to see how this rates among the best moments of BOC... From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 09:26:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:26:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade In-Reply-To: <346BB559.3532@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: In article <346BB559.3532 at bigfoot.com>, BL Young writes > >What songs are on the Area S4? Alien (I AM) Roswell edit Death Treap Wastelands Are you Losing Your Mind? All are on Alien 4 and thus only nessecary for people like me. > I've seen this listed on the net, >but never had any idea what songs are on it. > >Also, what is Melting Euphoria? "Spacerock" outfit, one of the Cleopatra stable. Haven't heard much, didn't like what I heard, sadly. And their version of "Point me At The Sky" on A Saucerful of Pink (Floyd Tribute album) jeeeeez! Does she always scream like that? Good version of Careful With That Axe, Eugene by Uncle NIK, though. -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 09:48:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:48:00 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: gingoblin@EASYNET.CO.UK's mail of Fri, 14 Nov 97 13:51 +0000 Message-ID: On 14 Nov 13:51, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >Also at the end of the gig, Ron mentioned that the cover of Distant > >Horizons was nothing to do with the band. Anyone know why the band used > >it if they were unhappy with it? > > I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole > cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be > some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen. I think it's quite good - certainly way ahead of Electric Tepee, Space Bandits, Xenon Codex, CotBS, ... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Nov 14 09:57:20 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:57:20 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Svenska_H=F6rnan=2FSwedish_Corner=28was=3A?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Re_=3AHW=2FNIK=3A_Moor_and_Nik_tour_dates=2E=29?= Message-ID: > Ok, you guys have convinced me to learn Swedish- > if only so I can understand the jokes. > > So, know of any good primers for a decent price? > The closest language to Swedish I've had any > experience with is English ;) I do know a little > Spanish though... "Quiero un taco grande, con > mucho salsa, por favor. Gracias." > > Really, I'm serious. > Brian > > >At 23:07 13/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > >>Hej, > >> > >>Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! > >> > >>>ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det > g?r > >>>?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver > email > >>>ist?llet ds > >> > >>L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... > > > > > >og meg! og meg!! Lille Norge, ikke glem oss i lille Norge da! H?? > >dum?kkeglemmeossass?!!!! > > > >eplekjekk gutt, > > > >Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's on some soundtrack - it's a great version of a BOC classic) and did 2 other songs, then made it sound as if they were opening their set with (I think - should check my notes) Dr. Music. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 10:05:51 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:05:51 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon show In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:24:24 +0000 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > Paul Mitchell wrote > > Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the > > Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! > > It is the chap from Krell and Spacehead, who I think is called Mr Gibb. > > > Finally, was it just me or was there a problem with the righthand > > speaker stack for part of the evening. > > Indeed there was, the sound person came out and listened to it and > disappeared then we could hear more mid, then after another check we got > more of the speakers working, or more of Jerry's guitar coming through, > but as I had heard lots of Jerry's guitar previously I thoguth the sound > wasn't overly spoiled. I was more irritated with the gig at Oxford, where > there was a synth tweeting of birds sound that lasted through most of A&B > and golden void, until that keyboard was used in Assassins. It meant the > simple beauty of GV was marred by busy and wrong noises. That was there at the London and Guildford gigs too though perhaps not as obvious. > Mike w FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 10:10:30 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:10:30 GMT Subject: HW: Taxi.... In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:07:59 GMT Message-ID: Neil Shilladay writes: > Mike, > You're not the only one ! > I noticed my cd had only 10 tracks last night. What I took to be > Taxi.. was the last minute or so of track 10. The bit with the whistling? > Thanks for raising this, as I would have forgotten about it. Raising what? > cheers, Neil. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 10:13:58 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:13:58 GMT Subject: HW:Sale In-Reply-To: herbert rosenberg's message of Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:20:44 -0800 Message-ID: herbert rosenberg writes: > details soon. If you have his phone number you can give > > > > him a call. 718-723-1662 (NYC) > > > > If anyone is calling him from the US then I'd be interested in either or > > both Hassan I Sabha singles and the Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP. I'm > > willing to pay the ridiculous prices I know these items will command if > > not the price to make a phone call to the US.... > > > > FoFP > > I just called him, and he said he's selling it only as a whole, for $1400, > no individual items. :( What? Not even if I offer him 200 Dollars each for any Hassan I Sabha singles? > Charlie FoFP From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Nov 14 10:29:50 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:29:50 GMT Subject: HW: Taxi.... Message-ID: Mike writes > I noticed my cd had only 10 tracks last night. What I took to be > Taxi.. was the last minute or so of track 10. The bit with the whistling? > Thanks for raising this, as I would have forgotten about it. Raising what? > cheers, Neil. FoFP Yep, it seems the last 30 secs or so of track 10, by common consensus are Taxi.. I was thanking you for posting summat that I'd forget, given half a chance :) Neil. Ob fave HW moments.. 1) Lemmy's bass in Time we Left...(any version) 2) Start of Psychedelic Warlords (Remastered version) 3) Lemmy joining the Hawks onstage at Reading for SM. 4) Croydon '97 gig NOT being cancelled. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 14 03:01:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:01:47 +0800 Subject: HW: White Zone Message-ID: >>What is this CD called _Chalice of the Stars_? Track 9 is >>"Moonbeam," if that helps. >> >>MWood > >Somebody asked the list about this about a year or so ago, >and nobody knew then. But, behold: mayhap 'tis the new >Psychedelic Warriors album? Talk about planning ahead! >(and as we already know, the Hawks are all heads ;-) > That was me that asked before (although it may have also been asked prior to myself?). On the subject of planning ahead, they did the same on Sonic Attack, when they plugged the as yet unreleased Church of Hawkwind. Also, was the Fifth Second of Forever actually a planned film project, or was it just made up? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 14 03:07:58 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:07:58 +0800 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! Message-ID: It's well worth every penny. Anyone put off getting it because they can't play it on a normal CD player, don't let that put you off. There are ways to hook it up to your stereo. I don't know how much hours are on it, but it's a lot. Including all the rare material, there's roughly 12 albums worth, not including the videos, photos, album covers, and other info. It would have to be the best CD-ROM in my collection. William From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 10:58:19 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:58:19 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: >> I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole >> cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be >> some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen. > >I think it's quite good - certainly way ahead of Electric Tepee, Space >Bandits, Xenon Codex, CotBS, ... > >Dave. Each to their own I suppose! Maybe I don't like it as much 'cos I know how easy it is to give pictures that "carved in rock" effect, and have seen it used a bit too much lately (of which I am guilty!). Grey isn't the most eye-catching colour though (and a grey promotional poster is a really bad move!), and I have to say I like all those covers you mentioned (apart from Chronicle... mind you!). I notice no-one gets a credit for the cover, which makes me think someone just knocked it up, rather than following any sorta "design concept". At least the other covers seems to have had some time and effort put into them. DH looks like the result of a "design a sleeve in an hour" competition (IMO!). Great album though... a grower rather than an immediate fave I think. Dave From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 14 10:57:34 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:57:34 +0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Nov 1997 to 10 Nov 1997 Message-ID: >> From: Ron Jennings >> Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) >> >> > The problem with albums like Electric Tepe, It Is The Business... and Alien >> > 4 is that they are too long, there are plenty of songs that could be >> > 'classics' but they fall together with all the crap that comes with them on >> > these albums. There are more albums suffering from the same disease, Rush - >> > Counterparts and Test For Echo, David Bowie - outside, Yes - Union etc etc. > I thought David Bowie's Outside album was very good, mainly because for years he has been putting out an awful lot of mindless pap (even Mr. Bowie himself thinks so!). It was a refreshing return to what he does best, and was less of the dull dance songs he was doing for a long long time. Genesis's last album with Mr. Collins was the same. Both of the above albums were longer than usual for them. By the way, anyone heard the new Genesis album, and is it a return to the good old days as they claim? >I'd like Hawkwind to release an album compiled with all spacey/musical or >all punky - that way I could play an appropriate album dependant >upon my mood, which as you might have gathered from the tone of this >posting is definatley 'punk' today. Grrrrrr > I would agree here as well. It's also a good way of playing an album of theirs to the unconverted. If you know what that person may be interested in, then you can pick the album. Some albums are helpful this way, such as White Zone and It Is The Business, which I managed to convert a friend who liked Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, etc., over with. The Bridgett Wishart material is helpful in getting some females who previously thought of HW as one of those HM macho type bands interested in them. Complete misconception, but some people, particularly this side of Australia, think that way! And the Calvert material proves to others that there are just as many great unknown songwriters in this sort of band. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 14 11:07:12 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:07:12 +0800 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: >Grey isn't the most eye-catching colour though (and a grey promotional >poster is a really bad move!), and I have to say I like all those covers you >mentioned (apart from Chronicle... mind you!). Chronicle of the Black Sword has been released with 3 different covers. The one on the original LP, which I like, the one on the Flicknife CD, which I don't, and the one on the Griffin CD, which is ok (They included the original on the other side, which is handy if anyone prefers it). William From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 11:10:40 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:10:40 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <01bcf0d4$6b8bfa80$LocalHost@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Wow, Thanks William, thats praise indeed.. and much appreciated. (I think 12 albums is an overestimate, ...maybe 9..:) -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk/icu On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:07:58 +0800, you wrote: >It's well worth every penny. Anyone put off getting it because they can't >play it on a normal CD player, don't let that put you off. There are ways to >hook it up to your stereo. I don't know how much hours are on it, but it's a >lot. > >Including all the rare material, there's roughly 12 albums worth, not >including the videos, photos, album covers, and other info. > >It would have to be the best CD-ROM in my collection. > >William From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Nov 14 11:27:01 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:27:01 -0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like ? Surely its the music that's important ? Richard, > ---------- > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK[SMTP:gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 14 November 1997 13:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) > > Paul wrote: > >Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the > >Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! > > > >Also at the end of the gig, Ron mentioned that the cover of Distant > >Horizons was nothing to do with the band. Anyone know why the band > used > >it if they were unhappy with it? > > > I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the > whole > cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's > gotta be > some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen (though > I'll > have to stop and think about all the others just in case there's an > equally > poor job already out there). The back cover is really atrocious! > > Dave > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 14 11:32:01 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:32:01 -0500 Subject: HW: was White Zone Message-ID: William asks... >Also, was the Fifth Second of Forever actually a planned film project, or >was it just made up? Maybe my memory's bad, but I seem to remember Dave Brock answering that question with the general gist of 'I don't remember what that was supposed to be myself.' Which leads me to believe that it was either completely made up, or so short-lived an idea that it wasn't even worth remembering. Of course, I may be wrong. Keith H. (FAA) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 14 11:39:55 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:39:55 +0100 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: <01bcf0d4$6b8bfa80$LocalHost@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: At 16:07 14/11/97 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >It would have to be the best CD-ROM in my collection. I second that. Actually, it's the best **CD** in my CD collection! My mind is still reeling from all this sensory information... The next task would of course be to pack everything by Hawkwind onto a single disc :-) Christian From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 11:52:17 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:52:17 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: >Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like ? >Surely its the music that's important ? > >Richard, Erm, well yeah actually it does (to me)! The music is obviously the most important, but I don't think you can say covers are of no importance. The answer is simple... great content, great packaging of the great content! That's what I like at least. Dave From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 10:57:26 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:57:26 EDT Subject: BOC: BOC Fans can do it too/traffic Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > >Definitely, drugs by the name of BOC and HW... > > > >Continuing on... > > > >Buck's white leisure suit in the 70's > And don't forget his Buck Rogers suit. Or any of EB's leather outfits. He used to have this 3/4 length jacket that was particularly cool. How 'bout EB's handcuff belt? I immediately ran out to the local sex shop and got one! Still have it, btw... > What about the "Penny Pants"? > Or Al's 'lederhosen?' He's always been at the cutting edge, as far as stage look goes. Even today with his extreme hairdo... > >Waiting for years for EW... > > I fail to see how this rates among the best > moments of BOC... Not the best, but certainly memorable, at least in infamy... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Nov 14 12:10:00 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:10:00 -0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: > Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like > ? Surely its the music that's important ? > > Richard, > > > ---------- > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK[SMTP:gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 14 November 1997 13:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) > > Paul wrote: > >Does anyone know who the guest bass player was for Ejection at the > >Swindon show.....am I going to kick myself for not knowing?! > > > >Also at the end of the gig, Ron mentioned that the cover of Distant > >Horizons was nothing to do with the band. Anyone know why the band > used > >it if they were unhappy with it? > > > I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the > whole > cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's > gotta be > some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen (though > I'll > have to stop and think about all the others just in case there's an > equally > poor job already out there). The back cover is really atrocious! > > Dave > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 14 12:48:28 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:48:28 GMT Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:40:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > I saw them in Edinburgh, but didn't record them. This was the best > I've ever seen them, partly because their drummer had food-poisoning, > two numbers really crunched, again providing needed variety. This > is the first year in which I've enjoyed an Ozrics gig more than a > Hawkwind gig (although both gigs seem to have been exceptions to > the rest of the tours). I hate you. I hate the world. I hate the universe. I hate the unfairness with which I chose to go to the two gigs in Edinburgh which were really not very good (Hawkwind and Porcupine Tree) and chose *not* to go to the Ozrics which seems to have been excellent. And I particularly hate the reason I decided not to go which was because I had to walk out on them in London because of the incredible loudness of their music and the high level distortion it was setting up - and now I find I could have done Edinburgh because the sound level was good......... ooooooooh .... phooey. curses now I'm depressed. Have a good weekend 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 12:04:06 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:04:06 EDT Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: > From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK > >Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like ? > >Surely its the music that's important ? > > > >Richard, > > Erm, well yeah actually it does (to me)! The music is obviously the most > important, but I don't think you can say covers are of no importance. The > answer is simple... great content, great packaging of the great content! > That's what I like at least. > > Dave Gotta agree with Dave here. It's all part of the package. Like a great movie has to have a great soundtrack... Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their artwork. Anyone have an idea what EW will look like? Anyone care to comment on their favorite and least fave album art from BOC? I esp. like Spectres. In fact I have a framed lp cover on my wall at home... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Nov 14 13:21:23 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:21:23 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: Hi, > Though good songs and performances can carry bad production. After >all, first albums from the >Beatles and Black Sabbath involved simply >walking into the studio and recording for about 13 hours >... and are >still classics! But that brings us close to a live situation, doesn't it ? I think that an uninspired and overwork production is worse than an inspired under-production. A fast and primitive production isn't synonymous with bad. Bootlegs, for example, are generally better than official live releases due to the atmosphere You get with the bootlegs, why aren't there live-albums like All the world's a stage and Space Ritual anymore, well, the sound is too good. Anyway, I still think that the basic problem is the fact that artists don't have to pick the gems anymore. Only a fraction of the lousy songs are lousy due to bad or wrong type of production. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Nov 14 13:21:45 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:21:45 +0100 Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! Message-ID: >On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:37:09 +0000, you wrote: > >> I must bite the bullet, cough up the cash, and order this. Is it >>compatible with both Macs and PCs? > > >Actually at the moment it`s more PC than Mac.. :) it does work on the >Mac, don`t get me wrong, but you have to suffer stupid windows file >names, I`ll get my finger out and make a mac compatible one if anyone >orders one! Oh, I would like a Mac version of it but I'm a bit short of money at the moment, I hope that they are not limited edition or anything, because if they are my kids won't get any food for a coupla weeks. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 14:52:41 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:52:41 GMT Subject: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No worries Ken, I think I`ve just made a Mac version.. :/ I make the CD`s as they`re ordered.. take your time and feed those kids.. :) -Steve On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:21:45 +0100, you wrote: >Oh, I would like a Mac version of it but I'm a bit short of money at the >moment, I hope that they are not limited edition or anything, because if >they are my kids won't get any food for a coupla weeks. > >Kenneth From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 13:23:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:23:11 EDT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) Message-ID: > From: Kenneth Magnusson > > Though good songs and performances can carry bad production. After > >all, first albums from the >Beatles and Black Sabbath involved simply > >walking into the studio and recording for about 13 hours >... and are > >still classics! > > But that brings us close to a live situation, doesn't it ? I think that an > uninspired and overwork production is worse than an inspired > under-production. A fast and primitive production isn't synonymous with > bad. Bootlegs, for example, are generally better than official live > releases due to the atmosphere You get with the bootlegs, why aren't there > live-albums like All the world's a stage and Space Ritual anymore, well, > the sound is too good. > Live and Dangerous by Thin Lizzy is regarded by a lot of folks to be one of the best live albums ever. Somebody posted to the TL list some remarks from Tony Visconti [TL producer] He said that they started out with polishing up one track by replacing a blown line of lyrics. Then they liked the way it sounded, and things snowballed. They wound up re-recording virtually the entire album so that eventually became a studio record! Maybe that's why boots often sound so cool? Because they weren't fucked with in the studio... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Nov 14 14:28:05 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: > Theo said: > > >Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their > >artwork. Anyone have an idea what EW will look like? Anyone care to > >comment on their favorite and least fave album art from BOC? I esp. > >like Spectres. In fact I have a framed lp cover on my wall at > >home... > > best: > > 1. ETI- hands down winner > 2. Fire of Unknown Origin- same guy, great art again > > This art made the albums stand out at the record store. I > would have bought them just for the album art (esp. at the > $9.99 price I've seen them for lately.) The style fits the > music as well. > > worst: > > 1. Club Ninja- what did a spacestation have to do with the album? > 2. Mirrors- boring (and I haven't even seen the back of the LP yet) > > CN's cover is cheezy, even for 1986. The chronos-symbol-throwing > Ninja would have made a better front cover. > > The Mirrors cover may have been done by a fine artist, but it's just > bland. Maybe they should have done a cover based on the song > The Storm, or The Vigil. On second thought, a "purple vision" on > the cover might not look so cool... > > Brian > > obCD> Stereolab "The Seeming and the Meaning" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2661 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 14 13:54:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:54:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: Wash DC Area Concerts Message-ID: I know there are some subscribers on the list near this area and other folks who travel great distances to shows so I thought I throw some of these out: Jaxx - Springfield VA 11/21 Ratt 11/22 Nazareth 11/29 Todd Rundgren 12/6 Testament 12/13 Fates Warning (missed the first show glad to have a second chance at 'em) The Ballroom - Wash. DC (near the Navy Yard) 11/15 - Gregg Allman Band 11/23 - Dream Theater * * Jaxx was listing a Dream Theater date on their website so this is a bit of a surprise. Birchmire - Alex, VA Robert Fripp "Solo Soundscapes" 12/10 9:30 Club - Downtown DC Ric Ocasek 11/18 Patti Smit 12/16 A public service of the City's Lesser Superheros Union. lil ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." The Tick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 14 14:22:09 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:22:09 EDT Subject: mike watt feature Message-ID: There's a nice though brief interview with Mike Watt in this month's Maximum Guitar. Incongruously, no mention made of BOC... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Nov 14 11:53:52 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:52 -0700 Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? Message-ID: I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a double CD called "Greasy Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 with Hawkwind, Man, and others, for $52. Wasn't this a rare album, and is it worth buying? thanks- Chris ObCD: The Fall, "Middle Class Revolt" (I'm turning into a Fall addict - help...) From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 14 15:44:41 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:44:41 GMT Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? In-Reply-To: <8825654F.006240A5.00@mailgw1.sonymusic.com> Message-ID: This was a rare album.. And the Hawkwind side is the best recorded Hawkwind this side of Space Ritual.. if it`s really out I`m getting one. The Man side is cool too.. the other 2 sides I can ignore.. :) -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk/icu On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:53:52 -0700, you wrote: >I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a >double CD called "Greasy >Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 with Hawkwind, Man, and >others, for $52. > >Wasn't this a rare album, and is it worth buying? From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Nov 14 16:07:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:07:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? Message-ID: >I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a >double CD called "Greasy >Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 with Hawkwind, Man, and >others, for $52. > >Wasn't this a rare album, and is it worth buying? $52.00, ouch. It's a great album, though, is it a double-cd or are they cramming it on one cd there? They could cram a lot better if they drop that "magic michael" from side 3, which I find to be just as about as unlistenable a track I've ever heard. His guitar-playing, his lyrics, and especially his voice are each abysmal enough to doom any song, but when combined they become almost transcendently bad... IMHO, of course. The first two sides, Man and Brindsley Schwartz are great, especially the latter. And the HW tracks are two of the best tracks of "Master of the Universe" and "Born to Go" I've ever heard, period. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Fri Nov 14 16:17:07 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:17:07 -0700 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction Message-ID: ---------- Kenneth Magnusson wrote: > But that brings us close to a live situation, doesn't it ? I think that an > uninspired and overwork production is worse than an inspired > under-production. A fast and primitive production isn't synonymous with > bad. Bootlegs, for example, are generally better than official live > releases due to the atmosphere You get with the bootlegs, why aren't there > live-albums like All the world's a stage and Space Ritual anymore, well, > the sound is too good. YES! Why aren't there, dammit? ("All The World's A Stage" being my very favorite live recording.) I'm tired of hearing live albums that sound like studio tracks with an overdubbed audience. The only live album I've heard made in the last couple years that made my hair stand on end was King Crimson's "B'boom"--a self-described "official bootleg." Somewhere, there's a trade school where engineers and producers are taught to make everything into the Lost Mr. Mister Album (in the trade, this technique is called "turd polishing.") Someone needs to close that school down. Scott From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 14 16:19:52 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:19:52 -0800 Subject: Theo's Lucky Duck/Imagination Message-ID: >Waiting for years for EW... >I fail to see how this rates among the best >moments of BOC... Mostly the number of times this thread or some variant has been around this list. Occassionaly it wakes people up, most often it just pisses people off...however it keeps us BOC fans comming back for more. All the vinyl Theo? Are they autographed? Are they pristine? Answer yes to any of these and I restore the caps to your "Lucky Duck" status. I'm beginning to think nothing bad ever happens to you or John. lil ab "No brains today, were only serving humble pie whatch-a-ma-zog." The Tick obwalkman - King's X Astoria Theater 5/4/90 / BOC Commack Arena 6/8/75 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Nov 14 16:53:25 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:53:25 -0500 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: alan aurthurs did the covers for ET, Alien, Love in space, Davey's Captured Rotation, IITBOTFTBD, and some others, i guess. talked to kris tait awhile ago, asked how alan was, and got: "alan is no longer with us." she didnt sound like she wanted to talk about ti, so we didnt push. but- that would explain a cover that might lack depth. tho i've not seen it. the package is a VERY important part of an album. whether its important to fans or not, it is needed to attract new fans. rj gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > >> I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole > >> cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be > >> some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen. > > > >I think it's quite good - certainly way ahead of Electric Tepee, Space > >Bandits, Xenon Codex, CotBS, ... > > > >Dave. > > Each to their own I suppose! Maybe I don't like it as much 'cos I know how > easy it is to give pictures that "carved in rock" effect, and have seen it > used a bit too much lately (of which I am guilty!). > Grey isn't the most eye-catching colour though (and a grey promotional > poster is a really bad move!), and I have to say I like all those covers you > mentioned (apart from Chronicle... mind you!). I notice no-one gets a credit > for the cover, which makes me think someone just knocked it up, rather than > following any sorta "design concept". At least the other covers seems to > have had some time and effort put into them. DH looks like the result of a > "design a sleeve in an hour" competition (IMO!). Great album though... a > grower rather than an immediate fave I think. > > Dave From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Nov 13 19:34:39 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:34:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies In-Reply-To: <01BCF05E.E25D7920.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy G. wrote: >> Speaking of the Fairies, does anyone know if they produced other records in >> the same league as "Kings"? >> I got the more recent "Kill 'em and eat 'em", but it sounds pretty pale in >> comparison, although granted the lineup is >> different. >> >> Chris > >The core PF album discography is pretty brief: > >Never Never Land [1971] >What a Bunch of Sweeties [1972] >Kings of Oblivion [1973] >Best of... (?) [1976-ish, not sure of the exact title because I don't have it >- but it's got the legendary "Snake" single, which makes it important] >Live at the Roundhouse 1975 [1982, lovely shocking pink vinyl] >Kill 'em and Eat 'em [1987] The "Best Of..." may be the album I have - just called "Pink Fairies" and one of a series of similar albums that Polydor released all with similar sleeve designs using photos as if they were straight off the tranny strips & titles done with anaerosol spray - and indeed, it does have "The Snake" on it - v. tasty! ChrisW ObMovie: Seven From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Nov 14 17:15:58 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:15:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Wishart Message-ID: >> Wishart was a pro, and sang in tune 100% of the time (!) but her stage >> presence (costume changes, a few props) seemed more suited to the cheesy >> amateur theatrics of an 80's neo-prog outfit than the mighty 'Wind. How odd, because Hawkwind's opinion was almost exactly the opposite! They said she was great in terms of theatrics etc. on stage, but she often had problems singing in tune (although I don't know why that should concern Hawkwind, considering that Alan and Nik, for example, were hardly ever in tune when singing). I liked seeing her costumes/dancing etc. I thought it was cool. I liked her voice as well, at least on recorded things, but it's true that her voice was a little lacking live. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Nov 14 17:07:35 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:07:35 -0500 Subject: HW : The Spice Girls Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > No, really, that is was I expected. These people aren't worth 36million > because they know nothing about music. Of course they do. It's an act. > They know their Can from their Camel, I *am* sure. > i think they are worth 36M simply because they have ASSets. and backing.nothing sells like sex, and their songs are sexy, if mindless. would i buy them? hell no! but then, i couldn't dance to save my life, and i'm not interesting in impressing the local teeny-boppers. rj > And they know the difference between Kluster and Cluster and who did > what and what Klaus Dinger's doing now (or should I say Neu!) > > > -- > Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Nov 14 17:10:12 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:10:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends (was Space Bandits (was Re: UeberWind (was Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!)))) Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > I find it annoying that the camera is aimed squarely on the dancer for the > majority of the track (about 10 mins.). I suppose I could always turn the > brightness down on the video, although that would be defeating the purpose > of the video. i agree. her PRESENCE doesnt bother me at all. but she should have been something to see out of the corner of your eye, not an obstruction to yer view. the tutu was silly as hell.should have been dressed like stevie nicks , but with foil shaws and veils of 16000000 colors. rj > William From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri Nov 14 17:21:46 1997 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:21:46 -0700 Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? Message-ID: Is this 'Magic Michael' the same individual that opened for Hawkwind at the Space Ritual performance at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, CA in December '73 and again at the Spring '74 show at the Ambassador Auditorium? At the Ambassador show his performance was abbreviated by a hail of marshmallows. We, the audience, were scolded by a person unknown that we shouldn't have done that because 'Magic Michael' was a friend of the band's. Mark Licht Santa Fe NM From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 14 16:33:42 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:33:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:21 14/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:37:09 +0000, Kenneth Magnusson wrote: >Oh, I would like a Mac version of it but I'm a bit short of money at the >moment, I hope that they are not limited edition or anything, because if >they are my kids won't get any food for a coupla weeks. Well, just do what Swedes usually do when vacationing in Norway in the winter. Just buy a big ol' box of Wasa at your local ICA, slap some Gr?ddost on there and tell em to shut the hell up and eat :) Y'see, it annoys Norwegians at the ski resorts here when those loudmouthed blond Swedish families break out their Wasa in the cafeteria cos Norway's so expensive........ :) boy, I love these inter-Scandic culinary cultural conflicts - jada jada jada! Christian PS: just drank a Carlsberg (Danish), then I opened a Ringnes Jule?l (Norwegian dark "Christmas beer") and now attacked a regular Borg (Norwegian pielsner). You swedes better shape up so I can include you on my grocery list :) PPS: FYI: I am half and half US/Norw. so I am allowed to be rude like this with every culture in the world. The ultimate conflict between Norway and Iraq is yet to come. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 10:13:33 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:13:33 +0000 Subject: BOC: fav moments In-Reply-To: <199711132358.QAA20749@mars.aros.net> Message-ID: Brad Dahl wrote: >Stairway to the Stars being the best >opening song ever ( why the HELL couldn't this have been on OYFOOYK?). > Absolutely - Manchester Free Trade Hall in '76, my first BOC show, what a killer opener, and during FT with BD & EB drawing their guitar necks across one another, and the strobes flashing as they separated, like lightning bolts between the guitars... ChrisW (on topic for a chance!) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 10:25:28 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:25:28 +0000 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) In-Reply-To: <11E7E0D30B0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:53 14/11/97 EDT, you wrote: >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." >> >> Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... >> >Shit, I've got 'em all on vinyl, incl. 2 copies of Imaginos! I've never seen "live 1976" on vinyl.... CN on cassette, T&M/'76 CD, rest vinyl ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 10:21:02 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:21:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments In-Reply-To: <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC257A13@SYN1MX2> Message-ID: Richard wrote: > I'll have to dig it >out, but I've only got it on vinyl and I don't have a record player at >the moment..... > How very sad! ChrisW (Vinyl fetishist :^{)> ) Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 10:37:28 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:37:28 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <123AABF5123@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their >artwork. "consistently"???? What about the back of Mirrors? CN? ChrisW From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Nov 13 14:37:26 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:37:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Stonehenge 1984 In-Reply-To: <199711121446.OAA11898@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 12 Nov 97 at 14:46, M Holmes wrote: > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > Hi Jon > > > > Here are the track listings > > > > 20.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 110min > > ghost dance / angels of death / born to go / paranoia / watching the grass > > grow / dragons and fables / night of the hawks / utopia / social alliance / > > motorway city / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / master of the > > universe / ejection / uncle sam's on mars / brainstorm / sonic attack / > > dust of time / brainstorm / right stuff > > > > 21.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 55min > > instrumental / ghost dance / instrumental / only dreaming / spirit of the > > age / stonehenge decoded / you shouldn't do that / brainbox pollution / > > silver machine > > > > 22.06.84, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 70min > > intro / circus / you shouldn't do that / choose your masks / oh lord / > > right stuff / instrumental / brainstorm / master of the universe > > > > > > >but having said that I'm 100% certain that Psychedelic > > >Warlords was being played at sunrise. > > > > Are you sure that you are talking about STONEHENGE 1984 ?? > > > > I am sorry but HAWKWIND didn't play PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS in the year 1984. > > It was a typical song of 1981,1982 and 1983 > > > > > > > > Here is the track listing of the STONEHENGE gig in 1983: > > > > 22.06.83, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL, 115min > > intro / coded languages / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / > > ghost dance / angels of death / utopia / psychedelic warlords / only > > dreaming / motorway city / jam / silver machine / jam / brainstorm / jam / > > starflight / ejection / shot down in the night / master of the universe / > > spirit of the age / brainstorm > > > > > > >Are you certain that at no time after 10. p.m. that evening did any > > >part/s of HW come on and play? > > I am not certain because I wasn't there. I have only my tapes and can see > > what HAWKWIND played in which year. > > > > But maybe I have not the complete tape from the 1st Festival day. > > No, you have the set right for that gig. > > I'm confused that Spirit of the Age isn't in the morning set but there's > a reasonable chance that I'm remembering '83 as the time I heard that > from the Stones. > > > Bernhard > > FoFP > > I remember daylight arriving at Stonehenge 83 as the Hawks were getting to the end of the set - so this would definitely fit your new "reasonable" hypothesis Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Nov 14 19:41:46 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:41:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Fan fave moment - Bogarts, Cinci Ohio - summer 1986 - the band sliding into Last Days during the guitar solo in Veteran... Shawn From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Nov 14 19:45:46 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:45:46 -0500 Subject: BOC Precious Moments Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > Pathetic sow responding to my own post: > > > Biggest BOC thrill was probably roadieing for the band at Weedsport > > Speedway for a huge outdoor gig. Getting to handle and set up the > > Also noteworthy for EB's memorable line: > I smell a lotta weed in Weedsport... > > theo > > *************************************** > > "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." > > --V. Vega theo - was that Weedsport show in summer of '83 just befor the release thrbn ? Shawn From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Nov 14 19:49:29 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:49:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Joe played Money riffs at Alfred Tech in 83, also:-) > > Let's say it was well suited for most of the crowd. > > (Did anyone pick up anything off the stage floor that night???) > > chuck > http://www.ultrawave.com/rose/ Chuck - were you at that show - and is that the same alfred in upstate ny ? Shawn From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Nov 14 20:04:34 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:04:34 +1100 Subject: OFF: Traffic is HIGH! Message-ID: At 07:16 AM 14/11/97 +0100, Christian Mumford wrote: >At 23:16 13/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep >>up with this? >> >>Damon > >No shit! They are all on something probably. Freaks!!! > >Christian > Yeah!!! Let's start another thread about it! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Nov 14 20:10:43 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:10:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: Candlemass, was BOC-L Digest - 9 Nov 1997 to 10 Nov 1997 Message-ID: At 10:59 AM 14/11/97 +0000, Maxine Wesley wrote: >On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > >> >" Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never >> >the night. >> >In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet >> >my destiny" AHHH!!!!! Candlemass!! I dig this tune. Any other Candlemass nuts out there? > >[sniffle sniff] Are you trying to reduce grown men and women to tears? > >> From: Ron Jennings >> Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) >> >> > The problem with albums like Electric Tepe, It Is The Business... and Alien >> > 4 is that they are too long, there are plenty of songs that could be >> > 'classics' but they fall together with all the crap that comes with them on >> > these albums. There are more albums suffering from the same disease, Rush - >> > Counterparts and Test For Echo, David Bowie - outside, Yes - Union etc etc. > >My gripe with some of the later albums is similar - it's not that the >music is crap it's just that the tempos are so different it's >difficult to beleive that you are listening to the same album (or >even band in some cases) There is apparently very little thought gone >into the compilation, predominantly they have just been a set of songs >that they are playing at that time. There's some good spacey tracks or >musically sound sections so there you are drifting away in the >armchair and then and you are shot out of your seat.. >and the band have decided to play the Sex Pistols... > >I'd like Hawkwind to release an album compiled with all spacey/musical or >all punky - that way I could play an appropriate album dependant >upon my mood, which as you might have gathered from the tone of this >posting is definatley 'punk' today. Grrrrrr > >Maxine > > >> Q: How about Gong ? >> >> (Mel) Chisolm : Is that an indie band ? > >ROTFL > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Nov 14 20:16:21 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:16:21 +1100 Subject: Svenska =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6rnan?= /Swedish Corner(was: Re :HW/NIK: Moor and Nik tour dates.)To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Message-ID: At 09:57 AM 14/11/97 -0500, brian halligan wrote: > >> Ok, you guys have convinced me to learn Swedish- >> if only so I can understand the jokes. >> >> So, know of any good primers for a decent price? >> The closest language to Swedish I've had any >> experience with is English ;) I do know a little >> Spanish though... "Quiero un taco grande, con >> mucho salsa, por favor. Gracias." >> >> Really, I'm serious. >> Brian Brian, Try some of the new internet sites. They are OK. Either that, or go to University and learn, that's what I did. There are a number of good language courses. Troy Troy >> >> >At 23:07 13/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >>Hej, >> >> >> >>Sorry, this is the Swedish corner! >> >> >> >>>ps faan jag f?rs?ker skriva ett k?seri f?r P4 h?r i Kalmar men det >> g?r >> >>>?t h-vete... alltid ?r det likadant... jag bara sl?surfar ? skriver >> email >> >>>ist?llet ds >> >> >> >>L?ter tr?ttsamt, du kan v?l skriva om mig, bra f?rslag eller... >> > >> > >> >og meg! og meg!! Lille Norge, ikke glem oss i lille Norge da! H?? >> >dum?kkeglemmeossass?!!!! >> > >> >eplekjekk gutt, >> > >> >Christian > >Attachment Converted: C:\TEMP\RESvensk > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Nov 14 20:24:00 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:24:00 +1100 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: At 03:37 PM 14/11/97 +0000, Chris Warburton wrote: >>Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their >>artwork. > >"consistently"???? > >What about the back of Mirrors? CN? > >ChrisW > HEY! The cover of CN is cool. Especially the logo, probably the best B?C logo of all. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Nov 14 21:56:14 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:56:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: Shawn, I was at that show and the Wednesday before the show, myself and my roommate, Dr. Frank (Prescriptions of Rock N Roll), did a two hour BOC special on WETD. He had the 6-8 Wed. slot, I had the 12 midnight to 2 AM slot. I'd have to believe that a lot of hard core BOC fans came out of that week. We not only played two hours straight (in cronological order) of BOC, but I made up a bunch of CARTS to promote the concert that were played on everyone's shows, as the station was a sponsor of the Concert. I always played at least 5 BOC songs in every one of 2 hour shows. Lots of listeners on the late Wed. show as there weren't a lot of classes on Thursday. I was a 23 year old at a school of mostly 18 and 19 year olds, a lot of them hadn't heard BOC till then. I think Tom Petty was big there for a while. chuck From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 14 23:24:46 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:24:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? In-Reply-To: <346db7dc.31877921@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Steve Pond wrote: > This was a rare album.. > > And the Hawkwind side is the best recorded Hawkwind this side of Space > Ritual.. if it`s really out I`m getting one. Speaking of _Space Ritual_, the _Greasy Truckers Party_ Hawkwind tracks from the latter album appear on the EMI remastered version of the former. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Nov 15 00:46:36 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:46:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) Message-ID: >At 07:53 14/11/97 EDT, you wrote: >>> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." >>> >>> Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... >>> >>Shit, I've got 'em all on vinyl, incl. 2 copies of Imaginos! One of them the "blue vinyl" Imaginos? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Nov 15 00:46:45 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:46:45 -0500 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: >>Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their >>artwork. > >"consistently"???? > >What about the back of Mirrors? CN? I prefer the back of Mirrors and Club Ninja to what they put on the front for each of the albums. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Nov 15 00:47:46 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:47:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages Message-ID: >At 07:16 AM 14/11/97 +0100, Christian Mumford wrote: >>At 23:16 13/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >>>Shit! 127 messages in one day! How am I supposed to keep >>>up with this? >>> >>>Damon >> >>No shit! They are all on something probably. Freaks!!! >> >>Christian >> > > Yeah!!! Let's start another thread about it! That must be the tenth message I've seen about how high the traffic is. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Nov 15 01:13:20 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:13:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > That must be the tenth message I've seen about > how high the traffic is. > and that was the eleventh ^^^ ;) just kidding. sorry. i have to go now. bye. =) rj From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Sat Nov 15 01:40:28 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:40:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Candlemass In-Reply-To: <199711150110.MAA31165@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > AHHH!!!!! Candlemass!! I dig this tune. Any other Candlemass nuts out there? But of course. Did anyone actually get Chapter Six? Was it any good? I never got around to it. Anything more recent? From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 15 01:43:28 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:43:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages Message-ID: Let me just add some commentary...can't believe anyone would actually read this..LOL, well, I did.....:-) BrizL From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 02:20:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:20:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages In-Reply-To: <971115014327_342944696@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Oh dear, this traffic is really getting high. Shit, what am I doing up at this hour on a Saturday? Checking my email? I'm goin back to sleep... Christian From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Nov 15 03:53:31 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:53:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Random thoughts Message-ID: As I've just very recently joined this list (I suppose it's about time, as I've been mentioned in for a couple years now...), and am trying to catch up on the archives, I have a few random thoughts and tidbits: Ambient Anarchists: I kinda like the cover, but five different uses of the original QS&C cover in the packaging? (maybe they're making up for Griffin almost completely ignoring it in their otherwise excellent QS&C box...) I hate packaging with factual details wrong, but on the other hand, I like PXR5 a little bit better than High Rise anyway. I don't think the Reconstructed version of Sonic Attack belonged on there, as it wasn't really Hawkwind (but yes, I think Dave's solo stuff did belong). I don't remember if anyone has mentioned it yet, but I do believe that Love In Space is the version performed on VH-1 on 4/14/96. An excellent version, I might add, with plenty of Dave's guitar. Favorite Hawkwind moments: Hearing them (Warrior...!) for the first time in a little college record store in '83; seeing them at Strange Daze '97; and everything in-between. Are albums too long?: NO! Besides, if you don't like certain tracks, program your CD player to skip them, and let the rest of us enjoy them. New version of Black Sword video: Does it have a different cover than the old one (or the video-CD)? Does it have the same tinny sound, uh, quality? New version of Treworgey Tree Fayre video: What's the best way to get ahold of this (in NTSC, preferably)? And how about the Brixton Academy Calvert tribute? Who is the guitarist in the encore? I've never seen him mentioned anywhere (Bernhard?). Jerry maybe? Live Legends video: I liked tutu-girl on stage, but not on camera almost to the complete exclusion of the band (maybe a video just of her dancing and, uh, other things... Heh heh heh, .... heh heh) >the only "filler" from hawkwind that i find bothersome has been that whitney >houston rip-off on brock's solo, Strange Trips. I'm still hoping he meant that as >some sick joke. ;) (from Ron Jennings): Uh, I guess I'm missing something. What are you referring to? If you mean the intro to Somethings Going On, I certainly took it to be a joke (maybe sick, maybe not). And I do like DITJ, most certainly a sick joke. Hawkwind repeating themselves: I just listened to the newest Yes CD, Keys To Ascension, and in a scientifically-conducted listening test, I'd be hard-pressed to tell the differences between that and Yessongs, despite them being recorded 25 years apart. On the other hand, this year's Brainstorm is markedly different from last year's, which is very different from the year before... If they (Hawkwind) do songs with similar themes, similar chord progressions, even the same lyrics, I say So what? (compelling argument, eh?) They'll all be different, and, I daresay, all good. Besides, I kinda like the self-references and the links with the past. I just hope that the same people who don't agree aren't the same ones who say "I don't like (insert album name here), because it doesn't sound like (insert other album). Dave has said, on numerous occasions (in essence) that variety is the spice of Hawkwind, and he'll always keep us guessing. In closing: The day that all Hawkfans start agreeing, I'm going to grab firmly onto the nearest large object, because I think the Earth will stop spinning.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 21:06:56 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:06:56 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <199711150124.MAA31282@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: At 12:24 15/11/97 +1100, you wrote: >At 03:37 PM 14/11/97 +0000, Chris Warburton wrote: >>>Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their >>>artwork. >> >>"consistently"???? >> >>What about the back of Mirrors? CN? >> >>ChrisW >> > > HEY! The cover of CN is cool. Especially the logo, probably the best B?C >logo of all. > > Troy Naaaaah - it's cheesy ChrisW ObRealCheese:Colston Basset Stilton :-{P> Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 14 21:09:55 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:09:55 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <199711150546.AAA03646@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: At 00:46 15/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>Look no further than BOC who have been consistently great with their >>>artwork. >> >>"consistently"???? >> >>What about the back of Mirrors? CN? > >I prefer the back of Mirrors and Club Ninja to what they >put on the front for each of the albums. > > >=================================== >Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is >Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those >http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. >(Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman >==================================== > I meant the front of CN, and the front of Mirrors is rather dull too! ChrisW Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 14 18:08:37 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:08:37 -0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies Message-ID: > The "Best Of..." may be the album I have - just called "Pink Fairies" and > one of a series of similar albums that Polydor released all with similar > sleeve designs using photos as if they were straight off the tranny strips > & titles done with anaerosol spray - and indeed, it does have "The Snake" > on it - v. tasty! > > ChrisW Yep, that's the one I was thinking of. I've seen it on CD in the not-too-distant past, so it's probably gettable (if that's a word) through the on-line CD outfits. > ObMovie: Seven Better than the film I just saw, something called _Le ciel est ? nous_, which came with good reviews but turned out to be infantile cliched bollocks... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 05:55:34 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:55:34 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC257A19@SYN1MX2> Message-ID: In article <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC257A19 at SYN1MX2>, "Cutting, Richard" writes >Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like ? >Surely its the music that's important ? The music is the most important obviously, but the artwork contributes to the album's "flavour" in a big way. One of the most potent music/visual combinations I know of is the UA period with BB's artwork. I know for a fact that if those covers were different, the music wouldn't sound the way it does to me. Also, if you lived through the Flicknife era, didn't you always get a sense of let down each time you picked up the next "new" HW album and looked at those, errr... putting it politely... low grade sleeve designs? The sleeve design is important and DH is OK IMO. That's enough acronyms. Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 05:45:32 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:45:32 +0000 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction In-Reply-To: <199711142118.OAA02782@flatland.dimensional.com> Message-ID: In article <199711142118.OAA02782 at flatland.dimensional.com>, Scott Bullerwell writes >YES! Why aren't there, dammit? ("All The World's A Stage" being my very >favorite live recording.) I'm tired of hearing live albums that sound like >studio tracks with an overdubbed audience. This is so weird! I switch on the hi-fi and load up the Business Trip which immediately reminds me about the "audience noise" complaint I've always had of this album and then Scott posts the above! Does anyone else find the cheering on this album off putting? To me it sounds too fake and there is the whole audience cheering when they recognise a song within about 2 seconds of it starting - normally an impossible feat, especially given that so many HW riffs are similar. It has to be fake audience noise to my ears and it spoils what is otherwise quite a good album. Comments? Mark From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 06:07:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:07:30 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! Message-ID: 30 seconds after being handed the discs, here's the track listing..... CD1 1 Intro/ Standing On the Edge 2 Brainbox Pollution 3 It's So Easy 4 You Know You're Only Dreaming 5 Veterans Of A Thousand Psychic Wars 6 Brainstorm 7 Seven By Seven CD2 1 The Watcher 2 The Awakening 3 Paradox 4 You'd Better Believe It 5 Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) 6 D-Rider 7 Sonic Attack 8 Master Of The Universe 9 Welcome To The Future Beautiful Packaging, Double CD Jewel case in Card sleeve with mini- poster. Loads of photos not seen from that tour including a good one of Stacia, fully made up, crashed out with a beer can just about to go over! Listening to CD2 first, MASSIVE versions of D-Rider and Master Of The Universe (Best ever, FACT.) Oh this is pointless. let's face it, you're not going to get anything like an impartial or even useful review of this off me. It's amazing. Space Ritual x 5. It's like hearing SR for the first time, all fresh! Absolutley 100% essential. 100% but you knew that already, didn't you? -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 06:01:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:01:44 +1000 Subject: OFF: ObMuppet: The Swedish Chef (was OFF: ObCD) Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Christian Mumford Received: 13 Nov 97 19:40 > At 00:10 14/11/97 +1000, you wrote: > >Transmission details - > SOnique: > > > >What is it that one washes it down with again? Vargtass??? > > > > Vargtass is what I drank the night I (got) pissed & got arrested > and thrown in jail!!!!! Now what's this pitpalt substance? > Is it legal outside Sweden???? (because surstromming > shouldn't be anyway). One disgusting thing (among many) > about Norway is smalahove. Smalahove is roasted sheep's > head. Watch granny nimbly pick out those eyballs and chew > the hell out of them, and then the old crone will > suck that scolded skin off that warty sheep's tongue!!! > MMM-MMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm ... can I have three serves of Pitepalt please??? S. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 06:01:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:01:44 +1000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Jon Browne Received: 13 Nov 97 9:12 > Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And > some people seem to like DITJ :) Wings Techno Tropic Zone Exists Good Evening -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 06:01:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:01:44 +1000 Subject: HW: White Zone Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: William Duffy Received: 14 Nov 97 16:01 > That was me that asked before (although it may have also been asked prior to > myself?). On the subject of planning ahead, they did the same on Sonic > Attack, when they plugged the as yet unreleased Church of Hawkwind. Which is totally amazing considering it was aparently recorded only to fill the gap while Martin Griffin's broken leg healed .... From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 07:33:32 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:33:32 +1000 Subject: HW: Greasy Truckers on CD? Message-ID: > >I just received a catalogue from Midnight Records in NY which lists a > >double CD called "Greasy > >Truckers Party", live at the Roundhouse 1972 with Hawkwind, Man, and > >others, for $52. I payed just $A39.95 (about $28 US) for this CD. I was quite pleased with myslef too until a friend picked up a near mint copy of the "Buskers" album a few days later for just $10 ..... :( Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 07:41:37 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:41:37 +0100 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...must... have... argh... Christian From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 07:20:19 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:20:19 +1100 Subject: OFF: Candlemass Message-ID: At 01:40 AM 15/11/97 -0500, Joseph Malcolm wrote: >Troy Harris writes: >> AHHH!!!!! Candlemass!! I dig this tune. Any other Candlemass nuts out there? > >But of course. Did anyone actually get Chapter Six? Was it any good? I >never got around to it. > >Anything more recent? > I did not think much of Chapter six. I think Leif Edling's lyrics have been on a dive of late and Messiah Marcolin is missed. (but his albums are not all great either). Still, I think as far as doom metal goes these guys are the sharpest meathooks in the abbatoir. Troy "one day I saw a man, dressed in rags, with a staff in his hand, begging for a penny to survive" =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sat Nov 15 07:24:40 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:24:40 +1100 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! Message-ID: At 11:07 AM 15/11/97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >30 seconds after being handed the discs, here's the track listing..... > >CD1 >1 Intro/ Standing On the Edge >2 Brainbox Pollution >3 It's So Easy >4 You Know You're Only Dreaming >5 Veterans Of A Thousand Psychic Wars >6 Brainstorm >7 Seven By Seven > >CD2 >1 The Watcher >2 The Awakening >3 Paradox >4 You'd Better Believe It >5 Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) >6 D-Rider >7 Sonic Attack >8 Master Of The Universe >9 Welcome To The Future > >Beautiful Packaging, Double CD Jewel case in Card sleeve with mini- >poster. Loads of photos not seen from that tour including a good one of >Stacia, fully made up, crashed out with a beer can just about to go >over! > ARRRRRRG!!!!!!! I NEED IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Troy > >Listening to CD2 first, MASSIVE versions of D-Rider and Master Of The >Universe (Best ever, FACT.) > >Oh this is pointless. let's face it, you're not going to get anything >like an impartial or even useful review of this off me. > >It's amazing. Space Ritual x 5. It's like hearing SR for the first time, >all fresh! > >Absolutley 100% essential. 100% > >but you knew that already, didn't you? >-- >Jon Browne > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 07:56:26 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:56:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies In-Reply-To: <01BCF1B3.7E200940.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 23:08 14/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >> The "Best Of..." may be the album I have - just called "Pink Fairies" and >> one of a series of similar albums that Polydor released all with similar >> sleeve designs using photos as if they were straight off the tranny strips >> & titles done with anaerosol spray - and indeed, it does have "The Snake" >> on it - v. tasty! >> >> ChrisW Andy Gilham wrote: >Yep, that's the one I was thinking of. I've seen it on CD in the >not-too-distant past, so it's probably gettable (if that's a word) through >the on-line CD outfits. That's the one I have on CD. It was issued on CD in the late 80's and I am 100% sure it's long since deleted. I also have the excellent Chiswick comp of Roundhouse '75 + Unreleased (brilliant Wallis-led dirty speedfreak r'n'r!) + Twink & The Fairies: Do It '77 EP. So that's 3 hard to find items on one CD at over 75 minutes. Is Kill 'Em And Eat 'Em any good? I've passed this CD up in the bargain bins countless times over the years, and now kinda regret it... (most recently last year..?). I could always mail order it - but nah.... :) Christian ObNoShit: placing an order for 1999 Party!!!!!! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 08:16:03 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:16:03 +0100 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <6FARwEAm+Xb0EwH8@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 10:55 15/11/97 +0000, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >The music is the most important obviously, but the artwork contributes >to the album's "flavour" in a big way. One of the most potent >music/visual combinations I know of is the UA period with BB's artwork. >I know for a fact that if those covers were different, the music >wouldn't sound the way it does to me. Definetly. The "mythology" of the band is integrated beyond the music on the disc. It is part of the whole, the cover, the shows, the lyrics, their lives, your lives..... Just look at the cool Mountain Grill reference on Space Bandits .Maybe it was a reference of a return to a more "ambient" sound after Huw left? Other bands who do similar things were/are Fish era-Marillion, Voivod, Iron Maiden, Gong, BOC, Monster Magnet..... in fact, I like to see it all as the "continuing adventures of yer favorite band".... or rather "YOUR continuing adventures with yer favorite band!". Very much like a good comic book run :) >Also, if you lived through the Flicknife era, didn't you always get a >sense of let down each time you picked up the next "new" HW album and >looked at those, errr... putting it politely... low grade sleeve >designs? The first HW I bought was Chronicle Of The Black Sword on CD, and it was the Flicknife edition. I was shocked! The artwork was awful enough to begin with, plus they had taken the colored pencil (!!) drawing and just printed it in 3 color, making all the gradients look like a bad xerox and just slapped on flat red or blue color plates... ugh. Anyway, the next one I bought was Xenon Codex and that sure restored my faith IMMEDIATELY! Phew! >The sleeve design is important and DH is OK IMO. That's enough acronyms. Haven't seen DH yet, but I am always curious about Hawkwind's artwork. The last few years has been consistently good, with the exception of awful Business Trip cover! Also, both Palace Springs and California Brainstorm had crap covers, but everything else in the past 10 years has IMO been top-notch. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 08:24:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:24:18 +0100 Subject: HW: UK online CD mailorder?? In-Reply-To: <199711141128.LAA25030@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:28 14/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Try CDZone at http://www.cdzone.co.uk Thanks Chris B & Andy G! >BTW the combination of on-line shopping and a credit card is >potentially lethal. No shit!! Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 08:22:36 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:22:36 +0100 Subject: HW: White Zone In-Reply-To: <01bcf0d3$9161c240$LocalHost@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: At 16:01 14/11/97 +0800, you wrote: >Also, was the Fifth Second of Forever actually a planned film project, or >was it just made up? > >William Strangely enough this was my very first question posted on BOC-L! (along with where can I get CYM & SA on CD, only to find out the only known CD editions at the time were Malaysian pirate versions!!! :() To the former question, I was given a hazy reply hinting that "they just said it as a joke"..... I still don't want to believe that... Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Nov 15 09:50:35 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:50:35 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And > some people seem to like DITJ :) Wings Techno Tropic Zone Exists Good Evening I like Good Evening. The other two I can live without. I didn't like Love In Space very much, apart from the middle bit on the live album. Musically, it's very similar to Zarozinia. Lyrically, it's not HW. William From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Nov 15 11:43:59 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:43:59 -0800 Subject: HW: DH artwork, misc Message-ID: It'll be a while before I can afford to order my copy of Distant Horizons, but I'll get it by Christmas I guess. In the meantime, all this discussion about the DH cover artwork is basically meaningless. Does anybody have a nice clear jpg scan? I need it for my webpage anyways, but I'd be interested in seeing the cover. Also, is "1999 Party" the long awaited live 1974 album? Why did they name it that? I'll have to order that too, but the same request goes for a nice cover scan. I can't even think of 3 bad Hawkwind songs, as I totally disagree with the list that Sonique posted. The only song I really don't like much is Back in the Box, but the live version was okay. The studio version just kind of grates on me. It's the bland nature of Bridget's voice. Lots of messages lately, so I tried to combine mine all in one. Thanks to anybody who can point me to the cover scans. Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 06:20:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:20:53 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <199711141354.IAA18887@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <199711141354.IAA18887 at listserv.spc.edu>, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes >I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole >cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be >some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen (though I'll >have to stop and think about all the others just in case there's an equally >poor job already out there). The back cover is really atrocious! > >Dave I must have lost all critical faculties, I like it. Simple, elegant, nice photo. It's the covers done in crayon, like Out And Intake that I don't like. (BTW Richmond HMV have sold 4 copies so far....) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 10:58:01 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:58:01 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! In-Reply-To: <199711151224.XAA06804@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199711151224.XAA06804 at shell-01.webconcept.com.au>, Troy Harris writes > ARRRRRRG!!!!!!! I NEED IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Troy > > You Do! You Do! -- Jon Browne From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 10:49:36 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:49:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:59:23 +0200." Message-ID: > Hej, > > Is no one on the list going to see (and record) the Ozrics. Here is > remainder of their UK tour: > > 14-Nov-1997 Ipswich Carribean Centre Tried to see this last night, to revitalize from 4 hours on the M25 :-P However, they had cancelled. Dunno if this is a one-off or the whole tour is blown... Tim From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 15 11:02:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:02:15 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Sonique writes >Transmission details - >Source: Jon Browne >Received: 13 Nov 97 9:12 > >> Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And >> some people seem to like DITJ :) > >Wings Wings is OK, I've caught myself singing before, it's really not too bad. >Techno Tropic Zone Exists Um, can't remember how this goes, OK I'll concede this one. >Good Evening Top tune! Always liked this. In fact at the time it was a tune I'd play to unbelievers. Are you saying that Good Evening is not as good as Douglas In The Jungle?! -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Nov 15 11:48:16 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:48:16 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: hot time in the ol' town tonight Message-ID: Sorry, but I couldn't help myself to posting the following paragraph: >From 7 o' clock onwards, I'll be the happiest hep cat on earth when the Brain Surgeons roll into the one horse town (in the middle of the north country where Saturday took so long to arrive. heehee) of Potsdam to rock the night away at Maxfield's restaurant and bar. Woohoo! For those of you in the Syracuse area who might be considering driving the long mile up here, the weather is actually quite unpleasant and the roads are VERY poor in my estimation. Go slow and take it easy, though once you enter the north, the drivers automatically go slower than the posted signs in good weather anyhow. (I hope tBS have no serious problems on the drive from NYC *fingers are crossed, animals sacrificed, dances danced and prayers prayed*) However, the show won't begin until after 10:30pm or so since the establishment won't let them set up their gear until 10(! odd!). More to come afterwards and all that hullabaloo, Jason From micci at SCI.FI Sat Nov 15 12:03:15 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:03:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Random thoughts Message-ID: Kevin wrote: >In closing: The day that all Hawkfans start agreeing, I'm going to grab firmly onto the nearest > large object, because I think the Earth will stop spinning.... > > I agree. :-) Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Nov 15 13:17:23 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:17:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Random thoughts Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: yes, that's the one. y'know, i was playing the disc, hit that, and it freaked me out so bad, i skipped thru it and never played it again. i just did. now i KNOW it was brock foolin around. after it gets past that opener, its not bad. oh well. i dont know what it is, but Whitney houston really bugs me. guess it goes back to my army days and being cooped up in the barracks with 3 AVID wh fans who blasted the shit all hours. rj > >the only "filler" from hawkwind that i find bothersome has been that > whitney > >houston rip-off on brock's solo, Strange Trips. I'm still hoping he > meant that as > >some sick joke. ;) (from Ron Jennings): Uh, I guess I'm missing > something. What are you referring to? If you mean the intro to > Somethings Going On, I certainly took it to be a joke (maybe sick, > maybe not). And I do like DITJ, most certainly a sick joke. > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 15 13:40:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:40:29 +0100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:02 15/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >> >>Wings > >Wings is OK, I've caught myself singing before, it's really not too bad. It's awful! .....hmmpfhahahaa!!!! >;^)) >>Techno Tropic Zone Exists >Um, can't remember how this goes, OK I'll concede this one. Ah, you too have blanked out most of this album :) The only good thing about it is the cover/booklet!!! >>Good Evening > >Top tune! Always liked this. In fact at the time it was a tune I'd play >to unbelievers. I agree! I always did the same thing, good for converting sceptical punks actually. Plus, the f*cked up cartoon noises at the end is the >hack< high point of XC!!! I made a trip tape once where I looped that ending about 12 times and segued into the gross caughing intro on Sabbath's Sweet Leaf which I "rapped" very slowly back and forth on the turntable as I taped it, for about 5 minutes. Then I did the same thing with Floyd's Interstellar Overdrive, with just the stereo-channel shifting song-climax back and forth, back and forth, back and forth..... a mindblower of a tape it was :) >Are you saying that Good Evening is not as good as Douglas In The >Jungle?! Good Evening is slightly better than Douglas In The Jungle! (though DITJ is pretty far out IMO) My contenders for lame HW tunes: Love In Space (flame on!!!!! Lame In Space??) Waiting For Tomorrow (just love Huw's flat, slurred vocal delivery and Thompson's drumming with his forehead - IMO boring tune as well) Solitary Mind Games (same criteria as above!!!) Wings (cracks me up more than breaks me up to hear about those dead little birds) British Tribal Music (hands down for great song title tho!) Hash Cake '77 (same criteria as above!) The "real" albums: 96% of the entire IITBOTFTBD 78% of White Zone 61% of Zones (ok, this is IMO halfass live material of mostly cool songs) 53% of Church Of Hawkwind 42% of Space Bandits 37% of Love In Space 26% of Alien 4 2% of Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (still a **great** album! :-) Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 15 14:02:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:02:33 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: On fre 14 nov 1997 13.51 +0000 gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK wrote: > I've not seen mention of the cover yet... does anyone else think the whole > cover/booklet has the look of one of the dodgy compilations? It's gotta be > some of the worst artwork for a "real" HW album I've ever seen (though I'll > have to stop and think about all the others just in case there's an equally > poor job already out there). The back cover is really atrocious! I thought it was pretty crap as well. The main font looks like "Gaelige", a rather unevenly executed representation of Irish type which is available free on the net. In white, it shows up very poorly against the grey/white backgrounds. The actual cover of the booklet is not too bad, but the interior is disappointing: badly executed designs. No lyrics, no other weirdness. The group shot picture looks OK though. The EBS ad on the back page is a little tacky--they could have at least made that a disposable sheet. _Not_ a rival to the _ISOS_ packaging, this one .... and comes no where close to the packaging of the remasters ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Nov 15 14:10:10 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:10:10 -0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: About the only problem I had with the DH cover was that the figure of Isis should be the other way up (it was correct in the _Space Ritual_ sleeve). - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 15 15:16:31 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:16:31 +1100 Subject: HW: Favourite Moments Message-ID: Favourite moments? From Blueprints from the Cellar. The song Hidden Persuasion. "Is it only iiiiiiiimmmmmmaaaaaaggggiiiinaaaaattion!" Also the bass riff in the beginning of "Assault & Battery". - Max Wilcox From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 15 17:42:44 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick C Chilton) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:42:44 +0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: Yep a really crap cover, Give me 10 mins in photoshop and I could have done the same. Music wise, I started playing it, the first song, oh no IITBOTFTBD all over again, but i was pleasantly surprised, esp about Alcemy, that rocked and wheels brilliant shame about the end.. Bye bye of the the pub...... Derrick... From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Nov 15 19:01:33 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:01:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > That must be the tenth message I've seen about > how high the traffic is. A good way to keep the traffic high, indeed ! Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sun Nov 16 07:09:51 1997 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:09:51 -0500 Subject: all the BOC and most Hawkwinds reviewed in book Message-ID: Hi folks, Semi-lurker Martin here. Thought I'd try my shameless plug, given that John was so kind as to review my book months ago! Book described below by me, pretty self-explanatory, but relevance wise, the thing contains 29 Hawkwind album reviews, all the BOCs, Deadringer, Buck, 3 x Brain Surgeons, Helen Wheels etc. Also, for those with the technology, see below address for internet radio shows I've done, basically half hour interviews plus music to 55 minutes. They say they are all archived under INTRERVIEWS, or will be soon. 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Martin Martin Popoff, (Power Chord Press: Riff Kills Man!, The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, Guitar World, LiveWire, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, BraveWordsRadio on Virtually Canadian Online, Chart, Glass Eye). Stuff on The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, my 540 page book of 3,700 metal reviews is at: http://www.cgpublishing.com Or, email me and I'll send detailed description and ordering info. http://gemm.com/s.cgi/MPOPOFF for a list of collectible vinyl I have for sale. Check out BraveRadio and BraveWordRadio at: http://www.virtuallycanadian.com (first go to Guide, then Wednesday). Martin Popoff P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 2Z2 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 15 20:08:57 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:08:57 GMT Subject: HW: going spare Message-ID: Just checked through my Cds and I find I also have a spare copy of the Area S4 CD. So since I think there was more than one person in search of this I've got a copy if you want to get in touch. I've also got the following surplus to requirement (not sure why but I guess I just Kollect even when there's nothing available to buy.....) Hawkwind: The Collection Hawkwind: Doremi (One Way reissue) Hawkwind: Palace Springs Robert Calvert: at the Queen Elizabeth Hall Nik Turner: Sphynx (the Cleopatra issue with Pressurhed helping out) If anyone wants any of these let me know! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Nov 16 01:34:52 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:34:52 -0600 Subject: HW: Three bad HW songs (was DH artwork, misc) Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:43:59 -0800 BL Young wrote: >I can't even think of 3 bad Hawkwind songs, as I totally disagree with >the list that Sonique posted. >The only song I really don't like much is Back in the Box, but the live >version was okay. The studio version just kind of grates on me. It's >the bland nature of Bridget's voice. That's funny, as there is no studio version of BitB. (Brocky basically verified that the Palace Springs version is cleaned-up-live, just like the rest of the album.) [Just being nitpicky. :-) ] Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Nov 16 01:41:02 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:41:02 -0600 Subject: HW: Random thoughts Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:17:23 -0500 Ron Jennings wrote: >yes, that's the one. y'know, i was playing the disc, hit that, and >it freaked me out so bad, i skipped thru it and never played it >again. i just did. now i KNOW it was brock foolin around. >after it gets past that opener, its not bad. oh well. i dont know >what it is, but Whitney houston really bugs me. guess it goes back to >my army days and being cooped up in the barracks with 3 AVID wh fans >who blasted the shit all hours. "How do I know if he rilly luvs me; how can I tell if he rilly cares; ; Ahm askin' you cuz you know about these things." :-P Damon P.S.: Anyone have a headache yet? :-) From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Nov 16 01:15:57 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:15:57 +1100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: At 07:40 PM 15/11/97 +0100, Christian Mumford wrote: >Love In Space (flame on!!!!! Lame In Space??) >Waiting For Tomorrow (just love Huw's flat, slurred > vocal delivery and Thompson's drumming > with his forehead - IMO boring tune as well) >Solitary Mind Games (same criteria as above!!!) >Wings (cracks me up more than breaks me up to hear about those dead little >birds) >British Tribal Music (hands down for great song title tho!) >Hash Cake '77 (same criteria as above!) > What about the HIDEOUS "Dealing with the Devil"???? Does this not give new meaning to the word SUX? I rather like "Wings". Weird, huh. >The "real" albums: > >96% of the entire IITBOTFTBD The cover tune is cool. >78% of White Zone >61% of Zones (ok, this is IMO halfass live material of mostly cool songs) >53% of Church Of Hawkwind >42% of Space Bandits SB is OK, IMHO, However, I think we would all agree that any band that puts out more albums than I have had hot dinners is going pretty good if the fans can only really come up with a handful of excreta. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Nov 16 05:11:14 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:11:14 -0800 Subject: OFF: Candlemass, was BOC-L Digest - 9 Nov 1997 to 10 Nov 1997 Message-ID: wrote: > >> >" Sunrise I greet you, the beauty of your light, so warm and tender was never >> >the night. >> >In tears I see you, the last time it will be, so give me blessing , I?ll meet >> >my destiny" AHHH!!!!! Candlemass!! I dig this tune. Any other Candlemass nuts out there? Ah, back in my doom days, yes...Nightfall was my favorite. Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Nov 16 05:24:41 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 02:24:41 -0800 Subject: OFF: Candlemass Message-ID: > Troy Harris writes: > > AHHH!!!!! Candlemass!! I dig this tune. Any other Candlemass nuts out there? > > But of course. Did anyone actually get Chapter Six? Was it any good? I > never got around to it. > Actually, I liked it more than most 'Mass fans. Especially "Where The Runes Still Speak", as well as a couple of others, the names of which I can't think of at the moment... > Anything more recent? Leif is now involved in a band called Abstract Algebra, whom I have not heard. There was also a good band w/Messiah and Mike Wead (ex-Hexenhaus), who released a couple of albums, but I can't think of their name at the moment... Ah, it's Momento Mori. Charlie From jdacombe at CSCMAIL.CSC.COM Sun Nov 16 09:05:09 1997 From: jdacombe at CSCMAIL.CSC.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:05:09 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick question ..... What is the general concensus of opinion regarding the highest value HW items? My reason for asking is that if I ever saw, say, The Buskers LP or the VDGG/HW air forces LP I doubt whether I'd buy them, cos they wouldn't add anything, musically to my collection. But if people are desparate to get hold of these, then I'd get them in the hope of trading for items that I do want. The ones which spring to mind recently are the foreign Hassans, Buskers, VDGG etc, Mind Journey, Sonic A, Hurry On Sundown, UK Kings Of Speed, GTP, G.Fayre etc. etc. I realise that their value is purely what someone is prepared to pay for them, but what ranks as the top 20 highly priced items amongst collectors? Cheers for now, Jez From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Nov 16 11:44:27 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:44:27 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one Message-ID: As to the definite "when" of the show, I cannot say. But brothers and sisters, let me assure of one thing: It was good. The one irksome aspect of Maxfield's was that equipment setup had to occur after all the dining folk had vacated the "stage" area, which consisted of plywood on top of the restaurant's nice carpet. The size itself was fairly spacious; far roomier than the Rongovian Embassy (but you got to give the embassy points for cool name and (according to Peter, Billy, and Dave) treating them to good food.) At least Maxfield's bathroom held a "shiny symbol for ham," according to one astute individual, so it can't be all bad. During the pre-show assembly process/waiting, Brian and I hung around the bar and got a' chatting with Billy, Peter and David (who left briefly to phone home, which was a nice thing to do. He further helped move the equipment-stamped w/ the band logo to boot later on) about such interesting things as the silliness of our current speed limit system, the fiscal rewards of tickets, people in clock towers with shot guns, the woes and virtues of owning a "grandaddy pimpmobile," and the aesthetic effects of a soul path converting a reparman into a jazzman. It was somewhere in this that we were informed "Hassan I Sahba" was to be played that evening. Goody! We also were told by Peter of the long recording history behind his madcap new CD availible on Cellsum Records: "The record company for good people." Dressed in the mandatory Potsdam uniform (aka winter gear) the band eventually unloaded their tuff whilst Bri and I grabbed us a very decent seat on the left side of the stage, but in perfect view of all members of the band. During the tinkering about, Billy showed us a mighty fine guitar-- a telecaster signed by Mick Jagger, a guitar which Peter described as having a very good sound compeared to other teles he's played upon. The sound check was a very unusual and fun one--Peter uttering sundry oddities like "hibidyhibidyhibidy hoo" and a sound reminiscent of the cat into his mike. By the way, the fruit guitar was in full effect that evening. Yay fruit! As Deb commented later, the PA system was an experiment in finding what works. After proudly saying "I'm a chicken," in repsonse to the presence of the swim team and swimming this time of year, Billy talked up the crowd a bit as even more turning of knobs and pushing of buttons took place in order to get a balance out of the amps taken from Peter's studio and Albert's amps from home. The testing reaching an earth shattering climax in the unforgettable "which-mike-was-the-best showdown" between Billy and Deb. As time drew near, we received enthuiastic high fives from Mssr. Hilfiger who was wearing a smooth sounding and good looking yellow non-Fender guitar. Needless to say i was psyched for what was to come. What made me happier was the fact the place was packed on a snowy winter night with people; the fliers and elbow grease had done what they set out to do. Speaking of needless (by dropping the "ss"), the first song of the show was the one and only "Needle Gun" by those who keep the freak flag flying, Hawkwind. Despite the mike duel earlier, Deb's voice was not too present in the mix, a situation that was swiftly corrected after the 3rd song. As revealed to us during the set break by Peter, Needle Gun was a surprise song to start the first set (it was slated to start the second originally) and despite tuning difficulties w/ "St. Vitus Dance" (down to a D say he) which was supposed to start, it followed on NG's heels rather thunderously. Witnesses of the gig, particularly the band members and those audience members seated immediately around the stage area, reported a rather wild little man wearing glasses and a white tBS T-Shirt doing some sort of wild gesculations to the tunage. Kids these days with their rock and roll, I tell ya-all the devil's work :) "Gun" and "Medusa" kicked behinds off their comfy wooden chairs as the band conveyed a musical ferocity that I for one really dug. The studio versions are keen animals, but live they're like really big and loud animals with a touch of dementia for good measure ("Medusa" featured some slight revamping in the music of the last verse if I rmember--a guitar rhythm was added to an effective effect (how's that for redundancy?). A quickish sound check commenced afterwards, during which Deb's microphone was rightly restored to its prominent place for the rock n' roll to come; this came in handy as the next song was a wild rendition of "Kiss is a Promise" during which the house light fixtures went very dim for no apparent reason (after all, one doesn't usually use ceiling mounted chandelierish lights for rock shows, do you?) Guitar solos smoked, vocals were vocal in all the right ways and places, and the drumming was like a frieght train of sound barreling down a very steep slope with no brakes through a tunnel in the guise of an unassuming drum kit, behind which a happy looking almost-alum to Clarkson sat. Continuing the groove laid down earlier was "Laura's Plastic Swords" in which one sequence involved slow motion movement by the band. I was happy and digging it all like a kid in a candy store. "Gimme Nothin" did what it should, which would have to be the activity known as "rocking" (quite well too), only to be proceeded by "My Civilization" in which Al quipped "fuck you" during a slight break in the funk metal meltdown. Slowing down slightly, Albert put down a drum beat, on top which he told the story of a young lad, himself actually, and how he came to be a drummin', though when in school he had no drums. In Clarkson he met some fellows who needed a drummer, and thus...well if you know said drummer's rock background like I do, it is suffice to say "the rest is history." This fortunate recitation lead into the molten metal swing of "I Play the Drums" during which Albert left his seat and proceed to use Maxfield's as the big ol' drumkit. To top that, he sang "mellow" quite sweetly (?) before the band erupted into the end sequence of the tune. It had become a billion times more potent in this performance as than it had been 3 years ago when I saw its second trail run. Damn, I was happy. Ending the fury of the first set was a righteously reckless retelling of the tale of "Dominance and Submission," with Albert providing the cool "submission" replies a la the ST version in the end segment before the lead guitar blazed a sonic pathway through my grey matter. Thank god it didn't hurt....much anyhow:). niether of the planned encores were performed due to the time, which was good in a way since I was very exhausted, but reserves quickly returned to full. In the intermission Billy, Peter and David all sat 'round with Brian and me at our table. During this I was ruthlessly sold a copy of Pete Bohevesky's "wacky" music, and given the chance to see the amazing penny trick responsible for the CD cover. What talent these city boys have. This time, discussion turned to the Hawkwind material and heard of the band's relationship with the late BOC-Ler Rudy, whom Pete summed up after hanging out with him eariler as "a really cool guy." Albert was struck by the primarily unchangeable nature of Potsdam since he had been there last. A fellow audience member piped in and requested "Sally." David replied with a great degree of panache, "I'd like to hear fucking "Sally," too!" This was just cool. Nevertheless, she didn't appear in the show; Suzie did, but that's later. After the encounter with the leather clad lad, we received a lesson on Quatar, in which it's apparently not a bothersome task to dry laundry. Another anecdote was that from the Styleen's show in Syracuse, the band drove straight home and encountered an Indian road block consisting of burning tires, which were mistaken at first to be bodies. After all, its not too often you run across a raging inferno in upstate NY, particularly on non-flammable pavement in the dead of night. After receiving a visit from the disembodied spectre of Albert Bouchard's head, set two opened ceremoniously with the amalgamated Name Your Monster- the acoustic intro was kept but the body was charged with electrical firepower. In a complaint about the "varsity PA" (quote courtesy of Robin Tyner during a gig long gone), Deb fired the drummer. My what a quick show/career! Fortunately, it was all just part of Deb's "Career of Evil." (Aint that the prettiest lil' transition you've ever heard, not to mention a pretty lil' song?) Gleefully, they took space rock for a decidedly Surgeonish spin with Al singing w/ Deb on "Hassan I Sabha." Despite being violinless, it cooked many a rockin'brain cell to a perfect golden brown. It was Goodwind from that surgery. A threesome from the Imaginos album for "nobody" (Al said) who was an Imaginos fan commenced with a heavy and moving "Overture", blues metal without the straightness of blues (plus a pinch of quirkiness for good measure) gave rise to "I Am the One You Warned Me Of." To keep the regulars informed, the public service minded band called out "last call" with the sagacious admonition "Stock up on your beer." The capper was the fun-filled "Astronomy" in which Al liked to go "Hey!" during the verses and repeated one a few times whilst Billy stretched the guitar solo a bit during the final run prior to "Astronomy--a star." It was fun and loose yet overwhelmingly tight. It was rock the way it should be. Not to name names or anything, but some fruit guitar owning fellow said that Deb, and I quote, "had a fat head." It was about to get ugly when Deb introduced the next song as a tune about Peter--I mean him (can't keep anonymity too well I suppose)-- and those like himm, "Baby Ice Dog." It blasted the rafters and shook the Career of Christmas tape from its case many footsteps away in my dorm with rockful rock n' roll. Keeping the animal theme alive, "Donkey Show "shredded its way through the Maxfield's patrons. It, just like everything else before and after, grooved in all the right goove spots. At the end, gone was the groove as a beast from the past reared its head when a certain Mr. Hilfiger played a familiar opening. The opening lead to a gazillion supernovas as "The Red and the Black" thundered into being as a fresher, fiercer and zanier song than its original incarnation so many LPs ago. The show ended then and there as there was no time for encores. Talk afterwards with Deb and Peter consisted of an enjoyable lament of college age drinking, the third verse of "Donkey Show," going the speed limit on snowy north country roads (or not going the speed limit as it was in Albert's case), college music stations and their audiences, the teal/blue shirts and hair color, and a retelling of the stiff rules in college Albert had to deal with 'way back when.' Hearty handshakes for being there and enjoying the show (or my case, Billy said I was "jammin' away"), were received from all the band members. CD, shirt and signed _Box of Hammer_ cover in hand, we left to collapse from exhaustion and write this review. In sum, the Brain Surgeons provided a darn good outlet for this "otherwise reserved" fellow, as David observed, as well doing what's most important in music---having immense amounts of fun. Not thinking the review is long enough, Jason From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Nov 16 13:17:51 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:17:51 -0500 Subject: tBS: Laura's Plastic Swords midi... Message-ID: Here's the Laura's Plastic Swords midi file I've been working on...I'd originally intended to simply transcribe the drum line, but I just kept going...:-) This is the first time I've ever transcribed a song without at least a little sheet music as a guide, so please forgive me any errors in advance. This is far from polished; I have yet to do the detail work, such as working the pitch bends into the guitar and vocal lines, and the volume will need some adjustments in spots. I've also omitted the scritchy guitar noises during Deb's vocal sections--it's hard to do those correctly with the Cakewalk program I'm using. The guitar vibrato is similarly difficult to do with Cakewalk, unfortunately. And, as with any midi file, your mileage may vary depending on your sound card and/or midi program. A little analysis... There are some interesting details in this song. The quarter note pattern from the beginning (throughout Albert's vocal sections) reappears in double time (well, I've transcribed it in double time, at least) during Deb's vocal sections, but with the middle two quarter notes removed from the bass line, and all but the first chord removed from the guitar lines. And, of course, there's a completely different drum line for the second section. This accomplishes an effective mixture of variety and cohesiveness. Also interesting is the 7/8 section that appears three times. It's tricky in that it sounds like three measures of 7/8 followed by a return to 4/4 with the whole note chord. In actuality, there are only TWO measures of 7/8, and the chord comes in on the syncopated last beat of a measure of 4/4. This threw me for a little while...:-) One fun aspect of the drum line is the foreshadowing Albert uses in the initial section. Instead of simply echoing the main rhythm lines of the bass and guitars (quarter-quarter-quarter-eighth-eighth), Albert places the two eighth notes (in the bass drum) on the THIRD beat instead of placing it with the other instruments on the fourth beat. In this way, the drum line foreshadows the main rhythm lines, while at the same time breaking up the pattern enough to keep it from being too monotonous. Please send me any alterations and corrections that would help me to improve this file. It was a lot of fun creating it! Steven Tice -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:05:09 +0000 Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes: > What is the general concensus of opinion regarding the highest value HW > items? > My reason for asking is that if I ever saw, say, The Buskers LP or the > VDGG/HW air forces LP I doubt whether I'd buy them, cos they wouldn't add > anything, musically to my collection. hmph - well here's my view for what it's worth the two Hassan I Sahba 7" singles Mind Journey boot (this probably does exist but only in very small quantities) Hawkwind/Jefferson Starship Air Forces LP (I've heard of someone who once saw a copy of this for sale in a 2nd hand shop somewhere but that's the only sighting I know of) The VDGG/HW Swedish "Rock On" album (this may be very common in Sweden and someone told me once he had "a cupboard full of them...." but they are as emphemeral as shadows whenever you try to pin down the location of one) The Japanese vinyl issue of "Doremi Fasol Latido" album with Silver Machine track The Spanish vinyl issue of "In Search of Space" with Silver Machine track Most of the other overseas stuff is also fairly rare but (on the whole) less expensive when eventually found: Lord of Light/Born To Go, German 7" Psychedelic WArlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change, US promo ep You'd Better Belive It/Paradox Kings of Speed (mono/stereo), US promo Silver Machine/Seen by Seven/Lord of Light/Born to Go, German double 7" pack Quark Strangness and Charm/Iron Dream, GErman 7" Psi Power, long/short, US 7" and 12" Uk rarities are: Hurry on Sundown 7" (up to 100 pounds) Kings of Speed 7" with pic sleeve (not entirely unfindable but always expensive) Sonic Attack 7" promo - in cloth bag (there are some around but check for frauds - around 100 pounds with the bag) Hawkfan 12 (not strictly all Hawkwind but there's enough to make it collectable - with all bits and the plastic bag it's almost unfindable anywhere unless you get very lucky - almost priceless I'd say!) Glastonbury Fayre (with all bits is often for sale but always expensive, around 100 pounds) There's a double CD version of this which is worth a reasonable sum. **************** Buskers (not unfindable and you can get a very cheap price for it when you do locate a copy because almost no-one except for Hawkwind fans want to collect it!) Greasy Truckers is fairly readily found Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't exist anywhere now Bristol Custom Bike Show is fairly rare All the recent one-off bootleg CDs (but since these could be reissued at any time this should be viewed with caution!) The bootleg vinyls (Stonehenge and Watchfield, The New York one) Some of the 12" EPs and singles Original album covers in good condition (Xenon Codex and In Search of Space are often torn) Roadhawks with the Star Rats poster The original Pete Frame family tree The Hawklords Calvert booklet and after that most things should be availableish except for the Moorock and Calvert stuff which can fetch fairly high prices! > I realise that their value is purely what someone is prepared to pay for > them, but what ranks as the top 20 highly priced items amongst collectors? I would certainly expect to be asked to pay 100 pounds or more for the top UK rarities (down to Glastonbury Fayre in the above list), around 20 pounds for the others (decreasing as you go down the list) most of the overseas stuff (second list) is usually priced around 20 - 30 pounds and as for the invisibles - well I'd pay whatever I felt I could manage just then I guess! But WARNING!!!! only Kollectors like myself and a few others I know are liable to make an offer for these! Practically every track in the above lists is easily and cheaply available elsewhere on CD (probably better quality too!) so this is a fairly limited field. Certainly I've found that where a CD version is available very few folk want the vinyl as well! Hope I haven't forgotten anything! Good luck jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 19:28:02 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:28:02 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >> I want to hear every track hawkwind record because if it's rubbish at least >> it >> something. May be they should do albums of good music and then sell the >> rubbish stuff on tpaes at gigs > >But the point is, nobody ever agrees which is which... >- Andy Which is why they should just be left on the albums. On a slihgtly off topic I just heard an interview with Mike Verian (famous producer). Got some box set out (collection of old mateiral blue hrozion record in 60s). He said one song ramabled on and it was previosuly uniussed so we edited it and here it is. How can you edit a pervious unissued track? What a waste of time. Why not isseud the whole osng. After all so what if it was 15mins it would be more interesting! Timmy Langner From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 16 19:29:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:29:15 +0100 Subject: OFF/(HW): Acrimony Message-ID: I've seen their new CD in shops and been somewhat curious... by a strange surf from the Voivod page to some metal band and to a record label I arrived here: http://www.grave.com/~mega/acrimony/ Seem interesting enough. Sound like a cross between Kyuss and Cathedral, maybe with more of a psychey edge.... Hawkwind are mentioned along with Sabbath as primary influences and they have opened for Hawkwind in the past (most recently in London at the Empire on Halloween) - anyone here see them or have their latest album? Christian From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 19:56:47 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:56:47 GMT Subject: HW: Favourite Moments (Forward) Message-ID: Some of my favouit hawkind bits: The intro to golden Void (93 tour and buiness trip live) Shouldn't do that (ISOS, sax solo + intro and rest!!!) wizard blow his horn Paradox Any version of Wind of change with voline in it but best has to be 74 studio. standing at the edge (wairros album) Lost Chronicals Any other kebyaord instermental like ?kauai?, blue skin, wind of change etc. etc. Most of Winsong live BBC concert/album form 72 And naything else I missed out .... which is probably laods. Speaking of wind of change is their any one else out there who when playing the 74 studio version or some other versions, finds it a relaxing sound. Oh and gets a snese of excitment. For me the keyboards mix perfectly and I could listening to the keybaord backing for hours!! No! DAYS!!! Then the voline cuts in it's gets ever better. Shame Daves gutiar sploit the orginal at the end. I'd love to be albe to edit his gutiar out of that part. Timmy Langner From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sun Nov 16 20:30:34 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:30:34 -0800 Subject: HW Rarest Message-ID: The Japanese singles, i.e.: Silver Machine, Urban Guerrilla, and Psychedelic Warlords. The Israeli singles of the same title are also rare. Oh yeah, the Taiwanese pirate singles. And while maybe not rare, at least hard for me to find are the original Polish postcards. Back to lurking, John From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 20:26:58 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:26:58 GMT Subject: OFF: creating real aduio? Message-ID: Hi Is it easy to create live real audio sites? Ie sites which broadcast over net? I'd love to set one up and just play the music I like instead of all the other music which they play on radio stations. I could put on a bit of warriors on the edge of time, followed by some elcetric tee pee and then round it off with shouldn't do that orginal studio. Having no ads 16mins wouldn't be a problem to play! Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 20:33:55 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:33:55 GMT Subject: Golden Void updated (finally) (Forward) Message-ID: >Here are all gigs HAWKWIND played this year >A good friend of mine is drum roadie during this tour. I've got this list >from him. I am very sure that it is correct and complete >Worthing Pavillon 30.09.97 Tue >Bernhard Although tickets were sold at the Pavillion the gig took palce at Worthing assemberly halls. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 20:44:01 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:44:01 GMT Subject: Wishart v Bastard (Forward) Message-ID: Then >it was back to Tree's reedy, tuneless warble. I thought it was closest to >Nik's punk-ish style--a far cry from Calvert. Maybe that's changed >recently. I sure hope so. >Scott Bullerwell I use to think that Ron was a cross between nik sining and bob sining. hwoever having been to a few dates on the current tour I tink he's got some havry bainbridge in him as well. Not that he sounds like nay of them totaly but he has a bit of all of them in him IMHO and they's great since they all did fine speaken word songs. Also I was surprised to find captain razzi doing the spooken bits in love in sapce and reptiod visiosn. Always thought ron did those when I heard the real audio gig. Shows how good razzi must be and he's not bad really. Does a good job. Fianly I jsut ogt some photos devleopd of the xofrod gig and actualy saw more of some of the band than I did at the gig itself. Ie Ron green face was much better show and didn't even know that razzi had green paint on him. IT might be nice one day to go to a hawkwind gig without strobes. like rest but sometimes it would be nice to see whose playing up their. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 21:11:14 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:11:14 GMT Subject: HW: Swindon show (Forward) Message-ID: >I was more irritated with the gig at Oxford, where >there was a synth tweeting of birds sound that lasted through most of A&B >and golden void, until that keyboard was used in Assassins. It meant the >simple beauty of GV was marred by busy and wrong noises. > >Mike w So I'm not the only person who hated that bit. It went from side to side as well to aonyy us even more! It is aduioable on my live tape of the show! Thank goodness hawkwind don't soudn the same every night and that was a one off. On some 93 live tapes I listen to golden void the most but on this tour I've been listening to reptiod visions and song of the germlin. Just love the vocals on song of the germlin. And that is not because they are better than the 93 version of golden void, just that they are new tracks to me and currnet golden void although very very good hasn't got a certain part which makes me want to hear that bit over and over again. Does any one have the words to it? It starts seomthing like "Death to rockets into space, choase takes the human .... (race?/ring?) " but then thats far as as I can remeber. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 16 21:26:32 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:26:32 GMT Subject: HW : NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!! (Forward) Message-ID: > Reptoid Vision Excellent. This will be a classic. For me it is already a classic! Timmy Langner From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 01:04:13 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:04:13 +0800 Subject: HW: Three bad HW songs (was DH artwork, misc) Message-ID: >That's funny, as there is no studio version of BitB. (Brocky basically >verified that the Palace Springs version is cleaned-up-live, just like >the rest of the album.) [Just being nitpicky. :-) ] > I still find that hard to believe. It sounds far too perfect to have been even partly live? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 01:10:55 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:10:55 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > What about the HIDEOUS "Dealing with the Devil"???? Does this not give new >meaning to the word SUX? > It's not HW, so it may not fit into the category (even though it has appeared on HW compilations). William From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 04:56:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:56:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: It is a long time ago I last ate Palt so had to check on the Net to be sure how you make it: >Pitepalt is a dumpling made from barley flour and grated uncooked >potatoes. The dumpling is stuffed with salt pork and cooked in boiling water. >The dish is served with cowberry sauce. [I'm not sure what they mean with "cowberry"... but I'll guess it should be "lingonberry" - the "Vargtass" berry.] It doesn't sound so bad, does it? You can also mix it with some (cow)blood, if you want to. >boy, I love these inter-Scandic culinary cultural conflicts - Ever tried "Jansons Frestelse"? Or "Bullens Pilsnerkorv" ? > >jada jada jada! >Christian > >PS: just drank a Carlsberg (Danish), then I opened a Ringnes Jule?l >(Norwegian dark "Christmas beer") and now attacked a regular Borg (Norwegian >pielsner). You swedes better shape up so I can include you on my grocery >list :) I... ehrm... I think.... well, eh... ABSOLUT! > >PPS: FYI: I am half and half US/Norw. so I am allowed to be rude like this >with every culture in the world. The ultimate conflict between Norway and >Iraq is yet to come. My father was involved in the building of some hotels (and bunkers, I suppose :-) in Bagdad before the Gulfwar. The bloody yanks bombed the whole city and maybe will do it again. You bastards! ;-) That's what I call the ultimate conflict 'tween Sweden and the US (poor dad, you should know that he's a glazier! Imagine what's left of his work!)... but I'm not sure if the Swedish government agrees... :-) mvh -Daniel ObFaveMomentThisWeekend: HW, "Death Trap" and some good SEX with an ex-girlfriend(but I still wonder why she insisted to hear that particular song... hmmm, I'll guess I'm better off not knowing...) > > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 04:57:24 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:57:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Message Traffic of High Traffic Messages Message-ID: At 08:20 AM 11/15/97 +0100, you wrote: >Oh dear, this traffic is really getting high. Shit, what am I doing up >at this hour on a Saturday? Checking my email? I'm goin back to sleep... > >Christian > > Traffic still high? -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Mon Nov 17 05:06:49 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:06:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Winter Solstice Party Message-ID: I posted this once before as part of another post, apparantly theres going to be a winter solstice party on 22 December in the UK at which Hawkwind and Capt Rizz are playing. Does anybody know any more details ? TIA Richard. P.S. Does anyone else think that 'Captured Rotation' could almost be a Hawkwind album ? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 05:13:30 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:13:30 GMT Subject: HW Rarest In-Reply-To: john.m.gray's message of Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:30:34 -0800 Message-ID: john.m.gray writes: > pirate singles. And while maybe not rare, at least hard for me to find are > the original Polish postcards. > > Back to lurking, > John ah ha! I've just bought a whole selection of these. Since my source is utterly trustworthy I think they are likely to be originals but he also admitted that he didn't know much about these although he reckoned that *his* source was trustworthy. Anyhow - the upshot is I've probably got (or will have soon) about 20 what I hope will be original Polish postcards but is there any way of absolutely verfying this? thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 05:20:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:20:11 +0100 Subject: OFF/(HW): Acrimony Message-ID: Christian wrote: >I've seen their new CD in shops and been somewhat curious... by a strange >surf from the Voivod page to some metal band and to a record label I >arrived here: > >http://www.grave.com/~mega/acrimony/ > >Seem interesting enough. Sound like a cross between Kyuss and Cathedral, >maybe with more of a psychey edge.... Hawkwind are mentioned along with >Sabbath as primary influences and they have opened for Hawkwind in the >past (most recently in London at the Empire on Halloween) - anyone here >see them or have their latest album? Yep, Carl does. Someday when I either is very drunk or just feel like a rich man I'll buy an Acrimony CD. Right know Fu Manchu's "Action Is a Go" is more important. IMHO Acrimony sounds too much like Kyuss for me to really dig them. No own original ideas. But maybe they'll get a more distinctive sound in the future - they seem to some potential (but they gotta get rid of their singer!) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 05:38:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:38:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 10.56 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > My father was involved in the building of some hotels > (and bunkers, I suppose :-) in Bagdad before the Gulfwar. > The bloody yanks bombed the whole city and maybe will do it again. > You bastards! ;-) That's what I call the ultimate conflict 'tween > Sweden and the US (poor dad, you should know that he's a glazier! Imagine > what's left of his work!)... but I'm not sure if the Swedish government > agrees... :-) Well, did he get paid first? If so, well, no worries! ;) If all the glass got blown away then they'll need to hire him again! ;) Think of the job opportunities being created ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 05:46:00 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:46:00 +0000 Subject: OFF/(HW): Acrimony Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 01.29 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > I've seen their new CD in shops and been somewhat curious... > Seem interesting enough. Sound like a cross between Kyuss and Cathedral, > maybe with more of a psychey edge.... Hawkwind are mentioned along with > Sabbath as primary influences Yeah, I've got their second album, _Tumuli Shroomaroom_ and it's very much in the psychedelic stoner metal vein. I like it quite well. > and they have opened for Hawkwind in the > past (most recently in London at the Empire on Halloween) Did they!? I didn't see them mentioned on the ticket (just some dodgy dance bands). I would be disappointed to have missed them! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 06:47:21 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:47:21 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Half-way through "Brainbox Pollution"... this is rather good, I'd say!! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Nov 17 06:58:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:58:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Three bad HW songs (was DH artwork, misc) Message-ID: >>That's funny, as there is no studio version of BitB. (Brocky basically >>verified that the Palace Springs version is cleaned-up-live, just like >>the rest of the album.) [Just being nitpicky. :-) ] >> >I still find that hard to believe. It sounds far too perfect to have been >even partly live? > >William i'm with you william. no matter what is said about this album, i consider it a studio album. i could not care less where or when the sounds were recorded, they are still dubbed and polished, which as far as im concerned make it a studio album. rj > From JIAN at SCBSING.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Nov 17 06:56:48 1997 From: JIAN at SCBSING.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM (Jeffcock, Ian) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:56:48 -0500 Subject: HW: UK online CD mailorder? Message-ID: >Looking for well stocked UK answer to CDWorld/CDnow etc. >Are there any ones to recommend? The only UK mailorder >I use is Blackmail which stock alot of prog/psych reissues >but not much new. Need to get the new HW (& other UK CDs)! > >Christian Have a look at the following site: http://www.cdzone.co.uk They are UK based, have a good stock and are very reliable. They are stocking 'Distant Horizons' cos that where I'm getting mine! Ian. From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Mon Nov 17 07:01:15 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:01:15 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: >Half-way through "Brainbox Pollution"... this is rather good, I'd say!! >- Andy Aarrrrggghhhhh...Will people please stop this mental torture..........It's hours before I'll be able to get a copy of the album and listen to it.... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 07:20:46 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:20:46 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On Monday, November 17, 1997 12:01 PM, Cutting, Richard [SMTP:richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK] wrote: > >Half-way through "Brainbox Pollution"... this is rather good, > I'd say!! > > >- Andy > > Aarrrrggghhhhh...Will people please stop this mental > torture..........It's hours before I'll be able to get a copy of the > album and listen to it.... It's a darn good "Seven by Seven", too! Suffer!!!! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 17 08:52:49 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:52:49 +1000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > >> Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And > >> some people seem to like DITJ :) > > >Wings > > Wings is OK, I've caught myself singing before, it's really not too bad. I've tried to like it ... just can't seem to ..... > >Techno Tropic Zone Exists > Um, can't remember how this goes, OK I'll concede this one. There's a few on that album I can't remember ... the others I also forget the names ;^) > >Good Evening > > Top tune! Always liked this. In fact at the time it was a tune I'd play to > unbelievers. Are you saying that Good Evening is not as good as Douglas In > The Jungle?! -- Jon Browne Oh yeah .... but it's not my fault you didn't say "4"!! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 17 08:52:49 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:52:49 +1000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Christian Mumford Received: 15 Nov 97 19:40 > My contenders for lame HW tunes: ... > The "real" albums: ... > 2% of Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (still a **great** album! :-) I agree, though why you went to the trouble to work out how long the gaps between the tracks work out to as a percentage I'll never know!! > Christian Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 17 08:52:49 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:52:49 +1000 Subject: HW: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: *When* is someone going to scan it so we can all see it?? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 08:12:10 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:12:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Three bad HW songs (was DH artwork, misc) Message-ID: At 06:58 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>That's funny, as there is no studio version of BitB. (Brocky basically >>>verified that the Palace Springs version is cleaned-up-live, just like >>>the rest of the album.) [Just being nitpicky. :-) ] >>> >>I still find that hard to believe. It sounds far too perfect to have been >>even partly live? >> >>William > >i'm with you william. no matter what is said about this album, i consider it >a studio album. i could not care less where or when the sounds were >recorded, they are still dubbed and polished, which as far as im concerned >make it a studio album. >rj >> It can be a good studioalbum though... But I it sounds quite pointless. When I bought Palace Springs I couldn't believe I'd bought the live album PS - I thought that it maybe existed two albums with similar titles, of which one was a studio recording and one was a live (hey, you can never know with HW) Well, hawkjoe told me I was wrong - that PS actually is a live album. But I still don't listen to it as a live album. I don't get the right feeling. (Some of the tracks is pure studio, isn't they?). I consider this to be false marketing... but at the same time I can't see anything wrong with a studioalbum which contains some livetracks among the others a la High Rise and so on. It just proofs that the band rocks outside of the studiowalls. You know, studio is ugly and live is beautiful... (I'll guess that's a rather reactionary point of view :-) But of course I'll buy 1999 no matter what. :-) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 08:11:49 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:11:49 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: I never thought I'd describe a new Hawkwind release as "as good as _Space Ritual_", but it is. At least as. We were talking favourite Hawkwind moments, right? Opening chords to "Paradox", and the whole of "D-Rider" are already there. And Jon's right - best-EVER "Master of the Universe". Only 23 years late... or two years early depending! In a word - fuckin' astounding! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 08:18:32 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: Carl Wrote: > Well, did he get paid first? If so, well, no worries! ;) But they have hurt his feelings... he like's to look upon himself as a artist... (I'm glad I can't read this... I wouldn't agree with me ;-) > If all the glass got blown away then they'll need to hire him again! ;) Think of the job opportunities being created ... Yeah, right! This is Iraq! They'll hardly hire him again ("your glass couldn't stand the smallest misiledetonation! Let's use humans as shelters instead.") halavah - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 07:23:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:23:24 EDT Subject: BOC Precious Moments In-Reply-To: <346CF0BA.5472@palmnet.net> Message-ID: > From: squinn > > > > > Biggest BOC thrill was probably roadieing for the band at Weedsport > > > Speedway for a huge outdoor gig. Getting to handle and set up the > > > > Also noteworthy for EB's memorable line: > > I smell a lotta weed in Weedsport... > > > theo - was that Weedsport show in summer of '83 just befor the release > thrbn ? > > Shawn That would be the one. Was that the show where Aldo Nova opened for them? I'm thinking it must be, as AN co-wrote, what, 'Take Me Away,' from tRBN... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 08:25:23 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:25:23 GMT Subject: HW: Wishart In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > >> Wishart was a pro, and sang in tune 100% of the time (!) but her stage > >> presence (costume changes, a few props) seemed more suited to the cheesy > >> amateur theatrics of an 80's neo-prog outfit than the mighty 'Wind. > > How odd, because Hawkwind's opinion was almost exactly the opposite! They > said she was great in terms of theatrics etc. on stage, but she often had > problems singing in tune (although I don't know why that should concern > Hawkwind, considering that Alan and Nik, for example, were hardly ever in > tune when singing). I liked seeing her costumes/dancing etc. I thought it > was cool. I liked her voice as well, at least on recorded things, but it's > true that her voice was a little lacking live. I didn't think that Wishart's antics on stage were at all out of place for Hawkwind. We're talking about a band who've had nude dancers, members dressed in silver paint, jugglers, fire eaters, people playing with swords, people dressed as aliens, people dressed as mad professors, Nik's punk clown act. A tutu and a few bandages are somehow outrageous in the light of all this? Nah. > John Majka FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 07:29:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:29:31 EDT Subject: Theo's Lucky Duck/Imagination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > >Waiting for years for EW... > > >I fail to see how this rates among the best > >moments of BOC... > > Mostly the number of times this thread or some variant has been around > this list. Occassionaly it wakes people up, most often it just pisses > people off...however it keeps us BOC fans comming back for more. > > All the vinyl Theo? Are they autographed? Are they pristine? Answer I wouldn't say a pristine copy of every album, though some of them I have SEVERAL pristine vinyl copies of. None of them autographed, I'm afraid... > yes to any of these and I restore the caps to your "Lucky Duck" status. > I'm beginning to think nothing bad ever happens to you or John. > > > lil ab > Well, I'm old, overweight, losing my hair, have a shitty job, and my dogs won't obey me... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 07:32:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:32:53 EDT Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971114152528.006c4a40@mcmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > At 07:53 14/11/97 EDT, you wrote: > >> From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > >> > >> Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... > >> > >Shit, I've got 'em all on vinyl, incl. 2 copies of Imaginos! > > I've never seen "live 1976" on vinyl.... > > CN on cassette, T&M/'76 CD, rest vinyl > > ChrisW Right you are. No Cult Classic on vinyl either. I was thinking original BOC lineup, official releases. Is live '76 official? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 08:34:34 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:34:34 GMT Subject: HW: DH artwork, misc In-Reply-To: BL Young's message of Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:43:59 -0800 Message-ID: BL Young writes: > Also, is "1999 Party" the long awaited live 1974 album? Yep. > Why did they > name it that? That was the name of the tour? > Bryan A live version of You'd Better Believe It? I can't wait to get home... FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 17 08:35:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:35:08 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one Message-ID: Geez Jason, what the hell were ya drinkin' that night? LOL Nice review - it's been over a year since I've seen tBS live -- I need a fix and I need it bad! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 17 08:38:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:38:09 -0500 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: > The Mirrors cover may have been done by a fine artist, but it's just > bland. Yeah, but it wasn't until Metallica's *Load* that we had an album cover with sperm on it . . . My favorite BOC album covers are (in no particular order) Some Enchanted Evening, Fire of Unknown Origin, ETL, and OYFOOYK John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 08:42:11 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:42:11 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:05:09 +0000 Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes: > Hi all, > Just a quick question ..... > > What is the general concensus of opinion regarding the highest value HW > items? > My reason for asking is that if I ever saw, say, The Buskers LP or the > VDGG/HW air forces LP I doubt whether I'd buy them, cos they wouldn't add > anything, musically to my collection. > But if people are desparate to get hold of these, then I'd get them in the > hope of trading for items that I do want. > > The ones which spring to mind recently are the foreign Hassans, Buskers, > VDGG etc, Mind Journey, Sonic A, Hurry On Sundown, UK Kings Of Speed, GTP, > G.Fayre etc. etc. > > I realise that their value is purely what someone is prepared to pay for > them, but what ranks as the top 20 highly priced items amongst collectors? The US Forces album is without doubt the rarest. There's also stuff like the claimed bootleg vinyl "Hawkwind Mind Journey" though I don't know of anyone with this except Brian Tawn. The Hassan singles are definitely rare as are the Hurry On Sundown single and the Quark/Iron Dream one. Sonic Attack in the cloth bag is pretty rare. Kings of Speed, Glastonbury Fayre and Greasy Truckers less so. > Cheers for now, > Jez I'm looking for the US Forces album and the Hassan singles and you can be sure that if you get them I'll cover your costs and then some. FOFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 07:49:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:49:24 EDT Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one In-Reply-To: <199711171335.IAA25849@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Geez Jason, what the hell were ya drinkin' that night? LOL > > Nice review - it's been over a year since I've seen tBS live -- I need > a fix and I need it bad! > > John Hey, John, they're playing in Elmira this friday... Anyone else going? Torgo? theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 08:48:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:48:47 -0000 Subject: HW: DH artwork, misc Message-ID: > A live version of You'd Better Believe It? I can't wait to get home... > > FoFP I think you'd better take sick leave or something. Really. (I'm *supposed* to be programming right now. Yeah right!) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 08:53:13 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:53:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: John started a new thread: >My favorite BOC album covers are (in no particular order) Some Enchanted >Evening, Fire of Unknown Origin, ETL, and OYFOOYK This must have been discussed before but, hey, I don't care. :-) OK, fave BOC covers ( in order!): 1 The Gavlik covers! The mood is the same as in the music. Fit so fine together. 2 RbN... I love the mix of highways and ancient egypt. 3 Spectres... does the band look evil or what?!? 4 Imaginos... just nice pix... 5 CE... ugly but funny... (BOC _is_ a dinoband after all) Least favorite: Eziekels Wheel... I can't even spell the title right and the picture of Godot is so blurred. mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 08:55:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:55:41 +0100 Subject: HW: DH artwork, misc Message-ID: At 01:48 PM 11/17/97 -0000, you wrote: >> A live version of You'd Better Believe It? I can't wait to get home... >> >> FoFP > >I think you'd better take sick leave or something. Really. (I'm *supposed* >to be programming right now. Yeah right!) > >- Andy > I haven't done anything today either... Help! - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 09:08:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:08:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 14.18 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Carl Wrote: >> Well, did he get paid first? If so, well, no worries! ;) > > But they have hurt his feelings... he like's to look upon himself as a > artist... (I'm glad I can't read this... I wouldn't agree with me ;-) Well, they say: an artist must suffer for his art! ;) >> If all the glass got blown away then they'll need to hire him again! ;) > Think of the job opportunities being created ... > > Yeah, right! This is Iraq! They'll hardly hire him again ("your glass > couldn't stand the smallest misiledetonation! Let's use humans as shelters > instead.") One would think that in a country with that much sand, even glass might be cheaper than people .... ;) mvh Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 09:09:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:09:37 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 08.35 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Nice review - it's been over a year since I've seen tBS live -- I need > a fix and I need it bad! Anyone know if they have any gigs in the month around Xmas? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 17 09:14:33 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:14:33 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one In-Reply-To: <199711171335.IAA25849@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >Geez Jason, what the hell were ya drinkin' that night? LOL As those who were there can attest to, I wasn't drinking a thing...now that's pretty darn scary isn't it:) >Nice review - it's been over a year since I've seen tBS live -- I need >a fix and I need it bad! Likewise! it was2nd show I've been to since 1994 for me! Glad you dug the slightly long review- I wanted to capture the spirit of the moment w/ all the nuances possible. Of course, I could have just wrote: Dude, they kick *ss! But that doesn't evoke much, does it. By the way, "Tourette's Syndrome" according to Peter is in 4,5,6 and 7 time. And 2 songs were played for the breast cancer gig: Gimme Nothin' and another which I forgot (and for a while Peter forgot what it was, too). Sprained ankles can make you walk slower for some reason, Jason From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 09:13:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:13:52 +0000 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 08.38 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > My favorite BOC album covers are (in no particular order) Some Enchanted > Evening, Fire of Unknown Origin, ETL, and OYFOOYK I think I might add in _Imaginos_ (assuming we count it as BOC ;) ahead of ETL. _Imaginos_ is simple, but classy. And really fits the mood of the album :) Actually, I really like the _ST_ cover too. I've I could have a BOC album cover poster, that would be a serious contender along with _SEE_ ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 09:16:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:16:37 +0000 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 14.53 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > 3 Spectres... does the band look evil or what?!? I still think the Metallica promo shot from _Load_ with them sitting around the table is _suspiciously_ similar to the _Spectres_ cover ... BTW, I hear _ReLoad_ sucks (big surprise). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 17 09:28:37 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:28:37 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one In-Reply-To: <199711171335.IAA25849@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Rereading the review, it occured to me that "Career of Evil" was not explicitly described as a song that was performed that evening. To clear things up, it was. Jason (I have a feeling that if I was drinking, the review would have been longer:)) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 09:26:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:26:00 +0000 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Sat, 15 Nov 97 10:45 +0000 Message-ID: On 15 Nov 10:45, Mark Edmonds wrote: > This is so weird! I switch on the hi-fi and load up the Business Trip > which immediately reminds me about the "audience noise" complaint I've > always had of this album and then Scott posts the above! > > Does anyone else find the cheering on this album off putting? To me it > sounds too fake and there is the whole audience cheering when they > recognise a song within about 2 seconds of it starting - normally an > impossible feat, especially given that so many HW riffs are similar. I do find the cheering off-putting, at least on LSD. I'm not sure why, it just sounds wrong. On the other hand, I do remember cheering each song as I recognised it, and when I saw them the sound was crystal clear and the songs easily recognisable. It's not hard to recognise The Golden Void, Psychedelic Warlords (not on the album), Do That, Visions Of You're Only Dreaming, Living In The Future, etc. Also, the audience might be cheering the arrival of a dancer, or a particular back-projected image. > It has to be fake audience noise to my ears and it spoils what is > otherwise quite a good album. > > Comments? I think it's an excellent album, once it gets going. > Mark Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 09:27:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:27:35 +0100 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: Calle writes: > Actually, I really like the _ST_ cover too. I've I could have a BOC album cover poster, that would be a serious contender along with _SEE_ ... > But I have one big problem with the SEE cover... How did the dogs die? At first I thought the plane had run over them... but if I'm right - the dogs lies on the ground in the front of the Messerschmidt... and the plane is moving in that direction... hrmm... they must have died before the plane started... Who killed them? Eric is armed on the other side of the cover... I think... but I wonder what bullets he might have used to mash the dogs like that... Sounds unlikely. Isn't there also a mexican on the cover? He looks suspicious! A typical cagey cretin. I think he did it. Or maybe that smiling guy in the plane slaughtered the dogs before he entered the machine. Who's he BTW? I think I've seen him somewhere else... Poor dogs. mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 17 09:33:51 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:33:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: covers In-Reply-To: <895981.3088764997@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > BTW, I hear _ReLoad_ sucks (big surprise). The college radio station has a single from it, and it does indeed do as you said it does. It's too un-Metallica. Jason From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 09:36:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:36:31 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Well, when the remasters came out I broke the bank, but didn't regret it. _The 1999 Party_ also broke the bank, but I damn sure don't regret that either!! Now leaving the solar system, Carl ps-don't worry, Steve, there's enough left to cover the cheque for the ICU CD-ROM! ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 09:39:29 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:39:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: At 09:33 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >> BTW, I hear _ReLoad_ sucks (big surprise). >The college radio station has a single from it, and it does indeed do as >you said it does. It's too un-Metallica. > >Jason I've heard the single three or four times on Swedish radio... and I find it very Metallicaesque (hupps!)... I don't like it though. But Metallica has developed in a very straight and clear direction (when you can have a look in the key) during the years so I'm not surprised or has anything to complain about how they're souding now (except for the fact that I don't like them ;-) I don't suspect the album ReLoad to be very different from Load since it consists of left-overs from the Load sessions. mvh -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Nov 17 09:58:55 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:58:55 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: One more correction Message-ID: The bathroom of Maxfields had "The Chinese symbol for ham." not the "shiny" symbol for ham. Or maybe it was just somebody's initals- EF... Brian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 17 09:59:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:59:28 -0500 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: Well, yeah, the Gawlick covers are cool - no doubt about it - I just like some of the others better (the designs are great, but I guess I'm not a big fan of black and white). Ditto for Imaginos - I like it, but it's not in my top 3 - I almost like the back of the album (with the ship) better for a cover. But, it's definitely great. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:01:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:01:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: > BTW, I hear _ReLoad_ sucks (big surprise). I've heard it's continuing in the (downward spiral?) direction that the albums have been going in. I never bought _Load_, although I definitely like some of the tracks (Until it Sleeps, King Nothing, Ain't My Bitch, Bleeding Me). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 17 10:03:16 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:03:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: >I don't suspect the album ReLoad to be very different from Load since it consists of left-overs from the Load sessions. In other words, it's the stuff that wasn't even good enough to be on _Load_ John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 10:08:53 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:08:53 +0800 Subject: HW: Three bad HW songs (was DH artwork, misc) Message-ID: >When I bought Palace Springs I couldn't believe I'd bought the live album PS > - I thought that it maybe existed two albums with similar titles, of which >one was a studio recording and one was a live (hey, you can never know with HW) >Well, hawkjoe told me I was wrong - that PS actually is a live album. >But I still don't listen to it as a live album. I don't get the right feeling. >(Some of the tracks is pure studio, isn't they The recent albums by Golden Earring are recorded live in the studio, but sound like perfect studio recordings, so I guess it can be done, though I still think the first two tracks in particular are studio. William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 10:37:59 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:37:59 GMT Subject: HW: books for sale Message-ID: Must be a trading full moon! I heard from a friend on Sunday that he has the two Hawkwind SF novels for sale (the ones written by Moorcock-cum-Butterworth - actually the latter not the former!) i.e. "Time of the Hawklords" and "Queens of Deleria" If there's anyone interested in these let me know and I'll pass the info on. Unfortunately he doesn't have net access.... jill obweatherreport> I hear it's snowing in the US! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 10:43:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:43:24 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? Mostly, I'm trying to figure out the synth section ... I assume Del and Simon House; is DikMik there? It certainly sounds like Bob is on this as well. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 17 10:25:50 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:25:50 +0100 Subject: Golden Void updated (finally) (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199711170133.BAA16443@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 01:33 17.11.97 GMT, you wrote: >>Worthing Pavillon 30.09.97 Tue > >Although tickets were sold at the Pavillion the gig took palce at Worthing >assemberly halls. Thanks for that info Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 10:33:37 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:33:37 +0800 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction Message-ID: >> It has to be fake audience noise to my ears and it spoils what is >> otherwise quite a good album. >> >> Comments? > I have noticed on one of the live versions of Out of the Shadows, possibly on California Brainstorm, some fake live cheering. I'm sure it's fake and intentional, since the studio version does the same (I think!). It can be distracting, though, particularly for someone not familiar with the original. William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 10:53:40 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:53:40 +0000 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.33 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > I have noticed on one of the live versions of Out of the Shadows, possibly > on California Brainstorm, some fake live cheering. I'm sure it's fake and > intentional, since the studio version does the same (I think!). It does--Brock played the sampled cheering and laughter "live" on stage from his synths. Gods only know why. I thought it sounded rather silly. Mind you, I've given up trying to figure out why Brock does the things he does. If I were an alien, I'd take over Brock's brain and dominate the universe in short order :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM Mon Nov 17 10:58:59 1997 From: tanelorn at DIMENSIONAL.COM (Scott Bullerwell) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:58:59 -0700 Subject: HW: Wishart Message-ID: M. Holmes writes: > I didn't think that Wishart's antics on stage were at all out of place > for Hawkwind. We're talking about a band who've had nude dancers, > members dressed in silver paint, jugglers, fire eaters, people playing > with swords, people dressed as aliens, people dressed as mad professors, > Nik's punk clown act. > > A tutu and a few bandages are somehow outrageous in the light of all > this? > > Nah. It's not that her antics were out of place--if anything, they didn't go far enough in light of HW's histrionic legacy. And she seemed embarrassed to be doing them, and exhibited very little flair (audience's trouser-cuffs notwithstanding!). For those of you who remember Twelfth Night or Pallas --both acts went through an original front-man (Geoff Mann, Euan Lowson) who was OTT enough to pull the theatrics off, and a replacement (Andy Sears, Alan Reed) who was not. Based on what some others have said, I'd guess that the night I saw HW with Bridget she was concentrating on singing ('cos the vocals were spot-on). Scott Bullerwell From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Nov 17 11:05:42 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:05:42 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Carl asks: Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? Mostly, I'm trying to figure out the synth section ... I assume Del and Simon House; is DikMik there? It certainly sounds like Bob is on this as well. Well, I have the CD in my hands (haven't heard it yet). The mini poster has DikMik & Bob listed on the stage layout. (if that helps..:) ) Neil. From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 11:08:57 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:08:57 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <967798.3088766191@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:36:31 +0000, you sent through the ether: >ps-don't worry, Steve, there's enough left to cover the cheque for the ICU >CD-ROM! ;) Where did you get your 1999 party? I tried Virgin & Tower on the weekend and failed miserably.. -Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:21:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:21:57 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 16.05 +0000 "Neil Shilladay" wrote: > Carl asks: >> Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? Mostly, >> I'm trying to figure out the synth section ... I assume Del and Simon >> House; is DikMik there? >> It certainly sounds like Bob is on this as well. > > Well, I have the CD in my hands (haven't heard it yet). > The mini poster has DikMik & Bob listed on the stage layout. (if that > helps..:) ) Only somewhat, since I'm looking at the stage diagram as well ... :) My confusion is based on the fact that I thought DikMik was gone by spring '74 and I thought Simon House might be on board? According to my copy of _Born to Go: Hawkwind in the Seventies_, Simon House was unable to get a work permit to join HW officially on the 74 US tour, but accompanied them as an "observer" and "managed a few jams on the tour". The book also says, DikMik quit for good in the summer of 73 ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:24:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:24:54 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 16.08 +0000 "Steve Pond" wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:36:31 +0000, you sent through the ether: >>ps-don't worry, Steve, there's enough left to cover the cheque for the ICU >>CD-ROM! ;) > > Where did you get your 1999 party? I tried Virgin & Tower on the weekend > and failed miserably.. Well, it's only out today, so far as I know. I was going to go to Cambridge's Parrot Records since they're usually cheap--but I didn't have enough cash (!) and they don't take credit cards. So instead I hit Our Price which had _The 1999 Party_ for a mere 15.99. Not bad for a double CD, especially considering HMV was charging 22.49!! Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Nov 17 11:22:01 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:22:01 -0500 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: >Well, yeah, the Gawlick covers are cool - no doubt about it - I just like >some of the others better (the designs are great, but I guess I'm not a >big fan of black and white). Ditto for Imaginos - I like it, but it's not >in my top 3 - I almost like the back of the album (with the ship) better >for a cover. But, it's definitely great. FWIW, I like ST, Spectres, and CE covers best. But since this keeps being brought up, let's rate the back of the albums looks. My favorites are: Imaginos (as mentioned) Cultosaurus (excavation stuff) ETL (band near spaceship) Mirrors (band w/ mirrors) Spectres (the laser bank shot) ..... now, if we ever rate the inside pic, it's gotta be the OYFOOYK 5-guitar attack... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 11:19:22 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:19:22 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: > Where did you get your 1999 party? I tried Virgin & Tower on the weekend > and failed miserably.. > > -Steve It was only out (officially) today - I got mine in Tower this morning (at their shocking prices because I was in too much of a hurry to shop around). - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 11:22:24 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:22:24 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On Monday, November 17, 1997 3:43 PM, Carl E. Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? Mostly, > I'm trying to figure out the synth section ... I assume Del and Simon > House; is DikMik there? > > It certainly sounds like Bob is on this as well. No, that's Nik. It's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a bit of violin, forget which track). And you can't hear Stacia. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:35:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:35:39 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 16.22 +0000 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > No, that's Nik. It's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along > on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a > bit of violin, forget which track). I thought I did as well .... but wasn't sure. I was writing up a review, but wasn't sure whether to mention SH or not. > And you can't hear Stacia. Sure? Some of the lower-pitched wubbly noises _might_ not be the audio generators ..... ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:45:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:45:17 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: There! About 5 minutes into "It's So Easy" you can clearly hear violin, and on through the rest of the track. Simon House must be there .. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:47:50 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:47:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: A never-before-released complete Hawkwind show from 1974, digitally remastered, in a 2 CD set which comes in a special cardboard box including a 9+ page booklet and groovy A3-sized mini-poster. And not before time. What can I say? 'Phooowaaar' would cover it nicely I think. This album unquestionably dwarfs every Hawkwind release since 1975, and that's despite a few quite good albums in the last dozen years. This album is clearly up with 1973's sun-shattering _Space Ritual_ and *may* even edge it out slightly. Indeed the sound is a seductive blend of _Space Ritual_'s archetypal space-metal and the more cosmic synth-layered workouts from _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ and _Warrior on the Edge of Time_. Recorded at the Chicago Auditorium, 21 March 1974, on the band's second US tour, this captures Hawkwind in full flight and taking no prisoners. A nuclear-powered rhythm section of Dave Brock (guitar), Lemmy (bass), and Simon King (drums), propels the ship to relativistic speeds while Nik Turner (saxophone) Simon House (violin), and Del Detmar (synths) ornament the dimensions with swirling trails of aural chaos. It's probably a mercy that the (in)famous Stacia (dancer) isn't visible in the mix or I might just faint dead away with the thrill of it all. The track listing is: CD1 (49.00 min) Intro/Standing on the Edge Brainbox Pollution It's So Easy You Know You're Only Dreaming Veterans of a Thousand Psychic Wars Brainstorm Seven by Seven CD2 (48.45 min) The Watcher The Awakening Paradox You'd Better Believe It The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) D-Rider Sonic Attack Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future Ye gods. It makes me weep. It's difficult to pick high-points in an album made of high points, but certainly tracks like "D-Rider" and "Seven by Seven" stand out. As does "You'd Better Believe It" and "The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)" (wot a title!). And most of the rest of it, really. The version of Lemmy's "The Watcher" is particularly interesting, standing somewhere between the original Hawkwind studio version and the later early-Mot?rhead versions--I'd pay good money to hear either the current Hawkwind or Mot?rhead tackle this tune! Ah, yes, and this version of "Master of the Universe" is simply the best one ever ... On to the packaging ... Well, the recent EMI remasters of Hawkwind's first five albums broke new ground on their own, but _The 1999 Party_ probably scores slightly over them in terms of practicality; instead of the pretty-but-fragile digipacks, _The 1999 Party_ comes to us in 2CD jewel case. Snazzy goodies are not forgotten. The jewelcase comes in a pretty cardboard box/slipcase with artwork drawn from the original Barney Bubbles tour promotional material. The booklet is packed with backstage snapshots of the band and crew from the '74 tour--the backpage shot of wasted-looking Lemmy on-stage is priceless. The A3 mini-poster is also not to be missed. It's front side seems to be more tour-promo artwork--and you can't go wrong combining dinosaurs, Aztec temples, and flying saucers--as well as a few photos recycled from the previous EMI remaster series. The back side is the really groovy part, containing an acid-drenched manifesto on how the layout (and decoration) of the band's stage gear and lighting equipment is based on cosmic principles linking Pythagorean mathematics with the astrological positions of the planets in the solar system _and_ (for good measure) prismatic colours ... complete with accompanying diagram. Spinal Tap, eat your heart out! No doubt about it: this is an album no less essiential for the newbie fan than for the hardened Kollector. While confessing to Hawkwind influence isn't as fashionable in the UK as in the US, this album continues to highlight the debt--acknowledged or not--that so many 90s bands (Monster Magnet, Kyuss, Acrimony, darXtar, Mudhoney, Sky Cries Mary, Electric Wizard, Sons of Selina, to name a few) and an uncountable array of ambient/techno artists owe to the original space-rockers. Spaceship Hawkwind. God bless all who sail in her. Cheers, Carl Go directly to: http://www.hawkwind.com/live74-ua.htm -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 11:50:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:50:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: At 02:08 PM 11/17/97 +0000, Carl wrote: >> >> But they have hurt his feelings... he likes to look upon himself as an >> artist... (I'm glad _he_ can't read this... _he_ wouldn't agree with me ;-) > > Well, they say: an artist must suffer for his art! ;) [I saw I'd written "I" instead of "he"... ehrm... and some other silly things too... ehrm... it seems like I'm a bit tired... ehrm... it's corrected now (I hope!)... sorry...] Back to the subject: But do they really have to blow up his works in pieces if they don't like it? That's not a very constructive criticism. :-) > One would think that in a country with that much sand, even glass might be >cheaper than people .... ;) If they only had used their own sand... it was Swedish glass made of Swedish sand... and that is probably more expensive than humans... but even worse: if this will continue soon there will be no sand left in Sweden. Where will our children and moose play? What will we use to make chrystal? I can foresee big unemployment and a very unhappy people. And that's Saddam's fault. To punish him I'll send him some Surstr?mming (chemical warfare) and Pitepalt. mvh - Daniel BTW: This is serious: evidently "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 17 11:45:50 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:45:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971117095647.009458c0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 10:56 17/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >It is a long time ago I last ate Palt so had to check on the Net >to be sure how you make it: >>Pitepalt is a dumpling made from barley flour and grated uncooked >>potatoes. The dumpling is stuffed with salt pork and cooked in boiling >water. >The dish is served with cowberry sauce. > Ah! Here it's called "kumle", or even funnier, "raspeball" (meaning "grated ball" (ouch!)!!!). Served with mashed turnips, which as we all know, are the will of Satan to mash, and should be eaten raw and whole as God intended. >[I'm not sure what they mean with "cowberry"... but I'll guess it should be >"lingonberry" - the "Vargtass" berry.] Tytteb?r! >It doesn't sound so bad, does it? You can also mix it with some (cow)blood, >if you want to. as if it's not gruesome enough by itself..... >Ever tried "Jansons Frestelse"? Or "Bullens Pilsnerkorv" ? Jansons Frestelse is like mashed stinky burned kippers with some cream poured on it or something isn't it?? I take the latter is a beer sausage?? Who is Bullen? Who is Janson? those sick swedish chefs.... >I... ehrm... I think.... well, eh... ABSOLUT! Well any semi barbaric peasant can brew crude potato spirits but only cultured people can make a good beer! :-) (why US can't make good beer, at least not proportionally to the population :-) >My father was involved in the building of some hotels >(and bunkers, I suppose :-) in Bagdad before the Gulfwar. >The bloody yanks bombed the whole city and maybe will do it again. >You bastards! ;-) That's what I call the ultimate conflict 'tween >Sweden and the US (poor dad, you should know that he's a glazier! I thought for a moment you had buried him in the ice! > Imagine >what's left of his work!)... but I'm not sure if the Swedish government >agrees... :-) My stepdad bought a video of Desert Storm assembled by the guiding hands of Scheisskopf and Ted Turner. Talk about buying into the propaganda! Christian PS: if I had a choice I'd also take three helpings of pitpalt over smalahove. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 11:55:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:55:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: > >BTW: This is serious: evidently Haha, I didn't get the chance to get serious the mail just... well... flew away... now I don't feel like getting serious anylonger... I like it better this way today... :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 11:57:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:57:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 17.50 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > At 02:08 PM 11/17/97 +0000, Carl wrote: > If they only had used their own sand... it was Swedish glass made of Swedish > sand... and that is probably more expensive than humans... Good point ;) > but even worse: > if this will continue soon there will be no sand left in Sweden. > Where will our children and moose play? > What will we use to make chrystal? > I can foresee big unemployment and a very unhappy people. > And that's Saddam's fault. A tangled web is modern economics! > To punish him I'll send him some Surstr?mming (chemical warfare) and Pitepalt. It's nearly jul ... why not add some lutfisk to the package? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Nov 17 11:56:22 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:56:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > The track listing is: > > CD1 (49.00 min) > Intro/Standing on the Edge > Brainbox Pollution > It's So Easy > You Know You're Only Dreaming > Veterans of a Thousand Psychic Wars So, is this track just "Standing at the Edge" re-titled, or what? Surely it's different from the opening intro? Thanks for the great review, Carl! MWood From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:01:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:01:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 17.45 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > Well any semi barbaric peasant can brew crude potato spirits but only > cultured people can make a good beer! :-) (why US can't make good beer, at > least not proportionally to the population :-) Glad to see that last _proviso_ in there, pardner ;) (says Carl, who is looking forward to a fresh draft of Anchor Christmas Ale in a month or so.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 17 11:57:59 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:57:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: What the papers say Message-ID: Ah, just have to forward this one, just to remind everyone....... > >>>> THESE ARE ACTUAL HEADLINES: >>>> >>>> Two Sisters Reunited After 18 Years at Checkout Counter >>>> >>>> Killer Sentenced to Die for Second Time in 10 Years >>>> >>>> War Dims Hope for Peace >>>> >>>> If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last a While >>>> >>>> Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures >>>> >>>> Deer Kill 17,000 >>>> >>>> Enfields Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide >>>> >>>> Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges >>>> >>>> Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead >>>> >>>> Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash >>>> >>>> Expert Says Police Begin Campaign to Run Down >>Jaywalkers >>>> >>>> Experts Say School Bus Passengers Should Be Belted >>>> >>>> Drunk Gets Nine Months in Violin Case >>>> >>>> Survivor of Siamese Twins Joins Parents >>>> >>>> Iraqi Head Seeks Arms >>>> >>>> Is There a Ring of Debris around Uranus? >>>> >>>> Prostitutes Appeal to Pope >>>> >>>> Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over >>>> >>>> British Left Waffles on Falkland Islands >>>> >>>> Lung Cancer in Women Mushrooms >>>> >>>> Include Your Children when Baking Cookies >>>> >>>> Eye Drops Off Shelf >>>> >>>> Teacher Strikes Idle Kids >>>> >>>> Clinton Wins on Budget, But More Lies Ahead >>>> >>>> Enraged Cow Injures Farmer With Ax >>>> >>>> Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told >>>> >>>> Miners Refuse to Work after Death >>>> >>>> Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant >>>> >>>> Stolen Painting Found by Tree >>>> >>>> Man Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge >>>> >>>> New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group >>>> >>>> Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft >>>> >>>> Kids Make Nutritious Snacks >>>> >>>> Chef Throws His Heart into Helping Feed Needy >>>> >>>> Arson Suspect Held in Massachusetts Fire >>>> >>>> Ban On Soliciting Dead in Trotwood >>>> >>>> Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half >>>> >>>> New Vaccine May Contain Rabies >>>> >>>> Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors >> >>--------- End forwarded message ---------- >> >> > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:09:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:09:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 11.56 -0500 "Marshall Wood" wrote: > Carl E. Anderson wrote: >> The track listing is: >> >> CD1 (49.00 min) >> Intro/Standing on the Edge > > So, is this track just "Standing at the Edge" re-titled, or what? > Surely it's different from the opening intro? Well, they're tracked together on the CD. The "Intro" section is the obligatory swooshy noises, random bass intonations from Lemmy, followed by someone saying: "My Lords, Ladies, and Freaks: the year is 1999. [something I couldn't catch] ... the 1999 party as you experience the music of Hawkwind." A few more swooshy noises, and then what is more or less a performance of "We are standing on the edge, the edge of time, etc." Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mwood at AGILE.COM Mon Nov 17 12:17:02 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:17:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 11.56 -0500 "Marshall Wood" wrote: > >> Intro/Standing on the Edge > > So, is this track just "Standing at the Edge" re-titled, or what? > > Surely it's different from the opening intro? > > Well, they're tracked together on the CD. The "Intro" section is the obligatory swooshy noises, random bass intonations from Lemmy, followed by someone saying: > "My Lords, Ladies, and Freaks: the year is 1999. [something I couldn't catch] ... the 1999 party as you experience the music of Hawkwind." > A few more swooshy noises, and then what is more or less a performance of "We are standing on the edge, the edge of time, etc." Sorry - poor editing on my part. I was actually asking about the 5th track, "Veteran of 1000 Psychic Wars." MWood From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 04:48:14 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:48:14 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711162040.UAA07915@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711162040.UAA07915 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't >exist anywhere now What was the extra track? -- Jon Browne From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 17 12:16:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:16:04 -0600 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl Message-ID: Having every album through Mirrors on vinyl ... > >> > >Shit, I've got 'em all on vinyl, incl. 2 copies of Imaginos! > > I've never seen "live 1976" on vinyl.... > > CN on cassette, T&M/'76 CD, rest vinyl > > ChrisW >Right you are. No Cult Classic on vinyl either. I was thinking >original BOC lineup, official releases. Is live '76 official? >theo Probably because Live 76 was realesed during the 90's when vinyl was no longer popular. It certainly wasn't released in 76 or was it? What say you FAQ MAN? lil ab "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." From micci at SCI.FI Mon Nov 17 12:25:57 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:25:57 +0200 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: Jill wrote: >Mind Journey boot (this probably does exist but only in very small >quantities) I read somewhere that only one acetate owned by B.Tawn is know to mindkind. > >Lord of Light/Born To Go, German 7" Especially when writed wrong (lihgt) > >Uk rarities are: > >Sonic Attack 7" promo - in cloth bag (there are some around but check >for frauds - around 100 pounds with the bag) I saw this once not so long time ago. It?s cost 250?!! >Hawkfan 12 (not strictly all Hawkwind but there's enough to make it >collectable - with all bits and the plastic bag it's almost unfindable >anywhere unless you get very lucky - almost priceless I'd say!) I have this one, without bag :-(( AARRGG Can someone help?? Okey, okey I know that no one have spare bag, but at least I try. >at any time this should be viewed with caution!) >The bootleg vinyls (Stonehenge and Watchfield, The New York one) >Some of the 12" EPs and singles I still have assassins of allah bootleg and 12" hawklords black vinyl copy to trade. Vinyl rules ok. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:35:04 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:35:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 12.17 -0500 "Marshall Wood" wrote: > Sorry - poor editing on my part. I was actually asking about > the 5th track, "Veteran of 1000 Psychic Wars." Ah, well, that would be swooshy noises, + "We walk hand in hand with horror. We ride side by side with death. We are the soldiers at the edge of time, in our mirrored flashing armor, in our secret hideous helms ..." Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:36:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:36:17 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 09.48 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <199711162040.UAA07915 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge > writes >>Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't >>exist anywhere now > > What was the extra track? An Ozrics one, I believe. "To Do with Circles"?? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 12:25:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:25:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: > > Veterans of a Thousand Psychic Wars > > So, is this track just "Standing at the Edge" re-titled, or what? > Surely it's different from the opening intro? No, it's a whole different track! Spoken-word, by Nik, written by Moorcock, but not a "Warrior" track or even a variation of one. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 12:40:05 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:40:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: >Ah! Here it's called "kumle", or even funnier, "raspeball" (meaning >"grated ball" (ouch!)!!!). Served with mashed turnips, which as we all know, >are the will of Satan to mash, and should be eaten raw and whole as >God intended. No, I don't know anything about turnips. And I'll try not to learn anything either. Never. I'm trying to find out the big difference 'tween "kroppkakor" (=bodycakes) and Pitepalt... but I can't. If Henrik is out there somewhere maybe he can help? >Tytteb?r! Ha ha! :-) :-) Tuttb?r!!! >>Ever tried "Jansons Frestelse"? Or "Bullens Pilsnerkorv" ? > >Jansons Frestelse is like mashed stinky burned kippers with some cream >poured on it or something isn't it?? Nothing stinky and nothing burned. I'm not sure what a kipper is... If it's made of herring... well, maybe... it's called ansjovis... You can make a delicious Janson in just ten minutes: Just layer sliced potatoes, with sliced onion and "ansjovis" - then pour cream on it and put it in the oven. Some people like to have breadcrumbs on top it, I don't find it necessary. >I take the latter is a beer sausage?? Well, no... AFAK there is no beer in the recipe. But the sausages are good to eat when you're drinking beer. You can only buy them in cans (preserved?). The can has a quite appealing design... it hasn't changed much since the '40s. You boil the sausages. >Who is Bullen? Who is Janson? those sick swedish chefs.... I think Bullen was the owner of the sausage factory and Janson was an operasinger or maybe an actor. AFAK none of them was a chef. Can be wrong though. >Well any semi barbaric peasant can brew crude potato spirits but only >cultured people can make a good beer! :-) (why US can't make good beer, at >least not proportionally to the population :-) I like Samuel Adams a lot! But that's also the only one I can think of right know... Norwegian beer have I never tasted (don't start that Pripps discussion again Christian :-)... but I'm sick and tired of the Ringnes comercials on tv. "Inte har du vel slepet ?l hele vejen opp hit kjempefar/stompefar/whatever" "Nej inte jeg... men du". Dunk dunk klirr klirr. And then you're supposed to laugh. Finnish beer is awful... but their comercials is at least funny! I'm curious about the Finnish kitchen 'cos when was in Helsinki this summer I wanted to eat something finnish but the only thing girls I was living with could think of was Pizza! We ate pizza every day. And I'm pretty sure that the Pizza not is a finnish invention. >>My father was involved in the building of some hotels >>(and bunkers, I suppose :-) in Bagdad before the Gulfwar. >>The bloody yanks bombed the whole city and maybe will do it again. >>You bastards! ;-) That's what I call the ultimate conflict 'tween >>Sweden and the US (poor dad, you should know that he's a glazier! > >I thought for a moment you had buried him in the ice! Ha ha, don't do that to me! Now I got so nervous so had to go and look the word up... > >My stepdad bought a video of Desert Storm assembled by the guiding hands >of Scheisskopf and Ted Turner. Talk about buying into the propaganda! Dessert Storm = Smalahove in whipped cream. Dessert Storm sounds like the title of an HW album and Ted Turner could be Nik's long lost brother. I didn't have to buy any video. CNN fooled me anyway. >PS: if I had a choice I'd also take three helpings of pitpalt over smalahove. > I really would like to taste it sometime! Honestly. mvh -Daniel PS Who was Smalahove? :-) DS "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Nov 17 12:42:09 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: HW: Winter Solstice Party Message-ID: >Richard. wrote: > >P.S. Does anyone else think that 'Captured Rotation' could almost be a >Hawkwind album ? I do. I was really hoping to hear Hawkwind do 'Ancient Light' live some day. Ah, well. Maybe Bedouin. Kevin Sommers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 12:26:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:26:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Winter Solstice Party In-Reply-To: <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC257A23@SYN1MX2> Message-ID: In article <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC257A23 at SYN1MX2>, "Cutting, Richard" writes >Does anyone else think that 'Captured Rotation' could almost be a >Hawkwind album ? It's a *very* good album, innit? -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:43:50 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:43:50 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:25:57 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > >Lord of Light/Born To Go, German 7" > > Especially when writed wrong (lihgt) yeah - wasn't sure whether to spell it wrong when originally listing it! There is also, in fact, a version of the cover with the correct spelling and I'm not, in honesty sure which is the rarer - possibly the latter since the only ones I've ever seen or heard about had Lihgt writted wrong. > >Sonic Attack 7" promo - in cloth bag (there are some around but check > >for frauds - around 100 pounds with the bag) > > I saw this once not so long time ago. It?s cost 250?!! ouch! That's inflation for you. > >Hawkfan 12 (not strictly all Hawkwind but there's enough to make it > >collectable - with all bits and the plastic bag it's almost unfindable > >anywhere unless you get very lucky - almost priceless I'd say!) > > I have this one, without bag :-(( AARRGG Can someone help?? Okey, okey I > know that no one have spare bag, but at least I try. The problem with the bag is that it's plastic and therefore inevitably biodegradable. I touch mine gently every now and again wondering about the best way to conserve a thin plastic bag (somewhat ironic when the whole of the rest of the world is trying to discover the best way of disposing of the things). But that's Hawkwind kollecting for you.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 12:30:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:30:55 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <01BCF353.54085A80.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCF353.54085A80.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >It's a darn good "Seven by Seven", too! > >Suffer!!!! :) > > >- Andy > >-- I think Nik sounds barking on 7 X 7! What do you reckon on that Master Of The Universe? -- Jon Browne From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:47:53 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:47:53 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 09.48 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > > In article <199711162040.UAA07915 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge > > writes > >>Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't > >>exist anywhere now > > > > What was the extra track? > > An Ozrics one, I believe. "To Do with Circles"?? ah - no - if my FAQ memory serves me right. It was a track by "The Sugarcubes" which was included accidentally on the vinyl although it was not listed on the sleeve. Consequently the only way you can check it is by counting the tracks on the vinyl and seeing if there is one extra. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:54:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:54:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: --On m?n 17 nov 1997 17.25 +0000 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: >> > Veterans of a Thousand Psychic Wars >> >> So, is this track just "Standing at the Edge" re-titled, or what? >> Surely it's different from the opening intro? > > No, it's a whole different track! Spoken-word, by Nik, written by Moorcock, > but not a "Warrior" track or even a variation of one. But it is similar to one of the Moorcock tracks from _Live Chronicles_, I think. Or maybe it was that Moorcock track which appears on _In & Outake_ ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 13:00:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:00:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 18.40 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > And I'm pretty sure that > the Pizza not is a finnish invention. Sure--everyone knows it was invented in New York! ;) > Dessert Storm sounds like the title of an HW album and Ted Turner could be > Nik's long lost brother. Careful now! This is drifting onto topic! ;) [_Desert Storm_, surely? _Dessert Storm_ suggests a huricane of chokladmousse ... which would also be good :) ] -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 12:58:22 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:58:22 GMT Subject: HW: Winter Solstice Party In-Reply-To: Cutting, Richard's message of Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:06:49 -0000 Message-ID: Cutting, Richard writes: > I posted this once before as part of another post, apparantly theres > going to be a winter solstice party on 22 December in the UK at which > Hawkwind and Capt Rizz are playing. Does anybody know any more details > ? Hawkwind usually do a Winter Solstice - pre-xmas gig somewhere in deepest London. It's been in Brixton the last couple of years but from what I've been aware of it's usually a one-off thing arranged outwith any usual tour management so goodness only knows where it'll appear or how much warning there will be beforehand. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 13:03:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:03:45 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 17.47 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > Carl E. Anderson writes: >> On m?n 17 nov 1997 09.48 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: >> > In article <199711162040.UAA07915 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge >> > writes >> >>Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't >> >>exist anywhere now >> > >> > What was the extra track? >> >> An Ozrics one, I believe. "To Do with Circles"?? > > ah - no - if my FAQ memory serves me right. It was a track by "The > Sugarcubes" which was included accidentally on the vinyl although it was > not listed on the sleeve. Consequently the only way you can check it is > by counting the tracks on the vinyl and seeing if there is one extra. Oh, that's right. I had it vaguely in mind that the Sugarcubes track itself was available elsewhere ... But to be sure there was an Ozrics track on the vinyl that wasn't on the CD. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 12:48:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:48:05 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <34726bf2.18371190@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34726bf2.18371190 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >Where did you get your 1999 party? I tried Virgin & Tower on the weekend >and failed miserably.. > >-Steve It was only released today, that might be why. -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 17 13:08:37 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:08:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: > But it is similar to one of the Moorcock tracks from _Live Chronicles_, > I think. Or maybe it was that Moorcock track which appears on _In & > Outake_ ... Yeah, well, I wouldn't know! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 12:14:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:14:29 EDT Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971117174550.007590a0@online.no> Message-ID: > > >My father was involved in the building of some hotels > >(and bunkers, I suppose :-) in Bagdad before the Gulfwar. > >The bloody yanks bombed the whole city and maybe will do it again. > >You bastards! ;-) That's what I call the ultimate conflict 'tween > >Sweden and the US (poor dad, you should know that he's a glazier! > What're you bitchin' for? Now yer old man can build 'em a brand new bunch of buildings. Hell, we're keeping him in work... theo *************************************** "...It's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." --V. Vega From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 13:33:01 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:33:01 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15 Nov 97 at 11:07, Jon Browne wrote: > 30 seconds after being handed the discs, here's the track listing..... > > CD1 > 1 Intro/ Standing On the Edge > 2 Brainbox Pollution > 3 It's So Easy > 4 You Know You're Only Dreaming > 5 Veterans Of A Thousand Psychic Wars > 6 Brainstorm > 7 Seven By Seven > > CD2 > 1 The Watcher > 2 The Awakening > 3 Paradox > 4 You'd Better Believe It > 5 Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) > 6 D-Rider > 7 Sonic Attack > 8 Master Of The Universe > 9 Welcome To The Future > > Beautiful Packaging, Double CD Jewel case in Card sleeve with mini- > poster. Loads of photos not seen from that tour including a good one of > Stacia, fully made up, crashed out with a beer can just about to go > over! The packaging is indeed uh... somewhat better than DH. > > > Listening to CD2 first, MASSIVE versions of D-Rider and Master Of The > Universe (Best ever, FACT.) > > Oh this is pointless. let's face it, you're not going to get anything > like an impartial or even useful review of this off me. Pointless indeed. Just buy it. Take the day off work & buy it goddamit. > > It's amazing. Space Ritual x 5. It's like hearing SR for the first time, > all fresh! > > Absolutley 100% essential. 100% > > but you knew that already, didn't you? > -- > Jon Browne There is different material to that on other HW live albums (and I have no comparable live tapes) so it was very much a fresh experience for me. I can imagine minor ways in which I'd like it to be different, but I'm sure those things will maintain my interest as I become familiar with the discs. You know how Space Ritual has a cohesiveness - a Space-Ritual-ness which runs through every groove? - well 1999 Party simply oozes the quality of HotMG (which I love, and listen to a lot) - and probably Warriors too (which I listen to rarely). That should be recommendation enough - although I *suspect* I may be preaching to the converted here. Say "YES" to Hawkwind Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 12:45:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:45:20 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <1209130.3088770204@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1209130.3088770204 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? Mostly, >I'm trying to figure out the synth section ... I assume Del and Simon >House; is DikMik there? > > It certainly sounds like Bob is on this as well. Good question. The stage configuartion on the back of the poster lists : Del, Bob, Dave, DikMik, Nik, Lemmy, Simon And "Dancers" However, it doesn't say that that's the *actual* line-up for this gig. (although it most probably is.) Any ideas, Bernhard? The only (tiny, tiny) disappointment for me is that Bob's not right up front. I've not tooth-combed the album yet, but that's Nik doing all the spoken word pieces, no? -- Jon Browne From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 13:47:04 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:47:04 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <1358902.3088772694@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 17 Nov 97 at 16:24, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 16.08 +0000 "Steve Pond" > wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:36:31 +0000, you sent through the ether: > >>ps-don't worry, Steve, there's enough left to cover the cheque for the ICU > >>CD-ROM! ;) > > > > Where did you get your 1999 party? I tried Virgin & Tower on the weekend > > and failed miserably.. > > Well, it's only out today, so far as I know. I was going to go > to Cambridge's Parrot Records since they're usually cheap--but I > didn't have enough cash (!) and they don't take credit cards. > So instead I hit Our Price which had _The 1999 Party_ for a mere > 15.99. Not bad for a double CD, especially considering HMV was > charging 22.49!! Not bad. I paid ?22.99 (Andy's Records, King's Lynn) Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Nov 17 14:12:16 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:12:16 +0100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 17:45 17.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >> Ah, does anyone know for sure the line-up on _The 1999 Party_? >However, it doesn't say that that's the *actual* line-up for this gig. >(although it most probably is.) Any ideas, Bernhard? I am sure that Simon played in Chicago. But at this time he was an unofficial member because he did not have a working permit. The articles say that he was there with the band but didn't play all gigs, only most of them (the 2nd part of the tour). Have to listen to the CD and check the articles again Bob Calvert didn't make this tour. His last gig with HW was in July 1973. He again appeared with HW on stage at the Reading Festival 22.08.1975 Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 14:25:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:25:37 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 20.12 +0100 "Bernhard Pospiech" wrote: > I am sure that Simon played in Chicago. But at this time he was an > unofficial member because he did not have a working permit. > > Bob Calvert didn't make this tour. His last gig with HW was in July 1973. > He again appeared with HW on stage at the Reading Festival 22.08.1975 In which case, I guess we can confirm a Brock/Turner/Lemmy/King/Detmar/House lineup for the 1999 Party CDs. Listening to "It's So Easy" (again) and Simon is unquestionably sawing away in there. This is brilliant ... I need to find controlled substances and some headphones .... ;) Cheers, Carl ObWonder: Do I add this to my top 10 album picks for the 90s or the 70s? Release date or recording date? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 17 15:12:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:12:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971117174005.00926234@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >No, I don't know anything about turnips. And I'll try not to learn anything >either. Never. Har du aldri spist k?lrabistappe?? I thought the Swedish were big on rootfruits. >I'm trying to find out the big difference 'tween "kroppkakor" (=bodycakes) and >Pitepalt... but I can't. If Henrik is out there somewhere maybe he can help? ugh.. "bodycakes"... makes me think of turds... or babies... Another variation on "kumle" and "raspeball" is "kompe" - it's all regional. > >>Tytteb?r! > >Ha ha! :-) :-) >Tuttb?r!!! Imagine you are singing a song and say: tyy-yyyyt-eb???r! Tyytteeb?r! b?r! b?r! Tytteb?r! It's easy, it's fun, and it sounds even better on helium. > >Nothing stinky and nothing burned. I'm not sure what a kipper is... >If it's made of herring... Some smoked fish that dry english people consume for breakfast. I think :) > well, maybe... it's called ansjovis... >You can make a delicious Janson in just ten minutes: >Just layer sliced potatoes, with sliced onion and "ansjovis" - then pour >cream on it and put it in the oven. Some people like to have breadcrumbs >on top it, I don't find it necessary. Well, I was close. I was looking for the word "anchovies" (as it is in English) but substituted with "kippers"... doesen't matter, I don't like any kind of preserved fish :) > >Well, no... AFAK there is no beer in the recipe. >But the sausages are good to eat when you're drinking beer. >You can only buy them in cans (preserved?). The can has a quite appealing >design... it hasn't changed much since the '40s. You boil the sausages. Is it grey? How do you eat it? Is it good for covering up that awful Pripps taste? >I think Bullen was the owner of the sausage factory and Janson was an >operasinger or maybe an actor. AFAK none of them was a chef. >Can be wrong though. You see, that's the whole problem. The Swedes allowed a sausage stuffer and operasinger to invent their cousine :) (BTW, speaking of sausage stuffing, in the one post you mentioned having sex to Death Trap... wow... Uncle Bob had a dirty mind indeed: "monkey on elastic! Going up again! Smell of burning plastic! Krankschaft crankin' up! Death trap!" etc..) At least he vividly envisioned people using contraceptives. > >I like Samuel Adams a lot! But that's also the only one I can think of >right know... Aha! Sounds like a wild stab in the dark to sound beer-cultured to me! Go drink that soulless moonshine you peddle to the Americans who will drink anything with a gimmick :-) > Norwegian beer have I never tasted (don't start that Pripps >discussion again Christian :-)... but I'm sick and tired of >the Ringnes comercials on tv. >"Inte har du vel slepet ?l hele vejen opp hit kjempefar/stompefar/whatever" haha! >"Nej inte jeg... men du". Dunk dunk klirr klirr. And then you're supposed to >laugh. oh, I did it too soon. Must have been your delivery! :-) >Finnish beer is awful... but their comercials is at least funny! The thing is that the Swedes, though a western *EU*ropean nation, are in many ways a "potato" culture like the slavs, balts (!?), russians and so on. Anywhere south and west of Sweden there seems to be more of a "grain" culture, like in No-way and most of Imperial EUrope. (BTW, I newer gradiated from collidge.) >I'm curious about the Finnish kitchen 'cos when was in Helsinki this summer >I wanted to eat something finnish but the only thing girls I was living with >could think of was Pizza! We ate pizza every day. And I'm pretty sure that >the Pizza not is a finnish invention. Well, the Polish didn't invent it, that's for sure. Anyone else here eaten a strange hot loaf dipped in tomato sauce with a couple of piwo's on the side, at a lineoleum and steel decorated Irish pub in Lodz called "The Highlander"? Quite confusing, but the piwo's good anyway. ObHorror: cultures who put CORN or LEEK on pizza! Ugh! >Ha ha, don't do that to me! Now I got so nervous so had to go and look >the word up... I thought it was some vodka fuelled primitive burial ritual! >Dessert Storm = Smalahove in whipped cream. > >Dessert Storm sounds like the title of an HW album and Ted Turner could be >Nik's long lost brother. > >I didn't have to buy any video. CNN fooled me anyway. Yeah, but you didn't BUY a piece of plastic to prove it. >I really would like to taste it sometime! Honestly. Well, I am glad I never did! > >PS Who was Smalahove? :-) DS Who? I have never really connected too much with sheep on a personal level, at least right before they had their heads severed. Although sometimes I wish I could thank them for this nice wooly sweater I like to wear. Dig in to that f?rik?l! (PS: Smalahove means, in some obscure barbaric rural Norwegian tongue, "sheepshead") From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 15:19:06 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:19:06 +0100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Calle writes: >ObWonder: Do I add this to my top 10 album picks for the 90s or the 70s? > Release date or recording date? Solving problems: It depends. Which album are going to be ousted(?) from the toplist in '70s and in the '90s? You have to compare those two. Then can you decide if it's recording/release date. I'll bet 1999 will end up on the '90s list. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 15:26:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:26:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: Carl writes: > Careful now! This is drifting onto topic! ;) Oops! Sorry everyone! :-) > > [_Desert Storm_, surely? _Dessert Storm_ suggests a huricane of chokladmousse ... which would also be good :) ] Oops again! Sorry, the bad joke from the sentence before showed up again. :-) mvh - Daniel Wikdahl ObCD: PizzadelicWarlords "Dessert Horizons" "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 16:28:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:28:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: At 09:12 PM 11/17/97 +0100, you wrote: >Har du aldri spist k?lrabistappe?? I thought the Swedish were big on >rootfruits. Nepp! At least I aint. I eat potatoes and different shapes and form plus carrots - but that's it. K?lrabbistappe sounds dangerous. >ugh.. "bodycakes"... makes me think of turds... or babies... > >Another variation on "kumle" and "raspeball" is "kompe" - it's all regional. The kroppkake recipes are different in different regions too. The ones they make down here are not as tasty as the ones they make in the northern parts of Sweden. >Imagine you are singing a song and say: tyy-yyyyt-eb???r! Tyytteeb?r! b?r! >b?r! Tytteb?r! It's easy, it's fun, and it sounds even better on helium. Ween will be playing in Sweden this week (and I can't afford to go as usual) and this sounds like something they could do. > >> >>Nothing stinky and nothing burned. I'm not sure what a kipper is... >>If it's made of herring... > >Some smoked fish that dry english people consume for breakfast. I think :) B?ckling! >Well, I was close. I was looking for the word "anchovies" (as it is in >English) but substituted with "kippers"... doesen't matter, I don't like >any kind of preserved fish :) Yes you do! You just don't know it yet. > >> >>Well, no... AFAK there is no beer in the recipe. >>But the sausages are good to eat when you're drinking beer. >>You can only buy them in cans (preserved?). The can has a quite appealing >>design... it hasn't changed much since the '40s. You boil the sausages. > >Is it grey? No, more like... skincoloured... >How do you eat it? In Sweden we usually put them in our mouths, chew and swallow. How do you do it Norway? :-) >Is it good for covering up that awful >Pripps taste? They complement eachother! Stopp dragging Pripps in the dirt! :-) >You see, that's the whole problem. The Swedes allowed a sausage stuffer and >operasinger to invent their cousine :) The moose invented the meatballs. :-) > >(BTW, speaking of sausage stuffing, in the one post you mentioned having sex >to Death Trap... wow... Uncle Bob had a dirty mind indeed: "monkey on elastic! >Going up again! Smell of burning plastic! Krankschaft crankin' up! Death >trap!" etc..) Yep! >At least he vividly envisioned people using contraceptives. Yes, but we simulated that part. It's lot more fun that way. "I've got a silicon chip in my breast." - Geri Spice >>"Inte har du vel slepet ?l hele vejen opp hit kjempefar/stompefar/whatever" > >haha! > >>"Nej inte jeg... men du". Dunk dunk klirr klirr. And then you're supposed to >>laugh. > >oh, I did it too soon. Must have been your delivery! :-) It wasn't the beer then? :-) > >The thing is that the Swedes, though a western *EU*ropean nation, are in >many ways a "potato" culture like the slavs, balts (!?), russians and >so on. Anywhere south and west of Sweden there seems to be more of a "grain" >culture, like in No-way and most of Imperial EUrope. (BTW, I newer gradiated >from collidge.) I think you're trying to say that Norge should have joined the EU instead of Sweden... but you don't really dare to say it loud... :-) Well, it's OK... if I could give away our membership to you you could have it. BTW, in Sweden, when people talk about Europe&EU it's like Sweden not is a part of any of these. "In Europe they do this and that - but here in Sweden we do this and that instead" >Well, the Polish didn't invent it, that's for sure. Anyone else here eaten a >strange hot loaf dipped in tomato sauce with a couple of piwo's on the side, >at a lineoleum and steel decorated Irish pub in Lodz called "The Highlander"? >Quite confusing, but the piwo's good anyway. Nej, but I've eaten polish dessert on the (in)famous ferry Balanga Queen with the ditto (in)famous Balanga Ballet Girls onboard ("yes, for a small amont of money you can dance with one of the girls in private"). I thought it was somekind of creamcake... it ended up just being pure cream (coloured in green). > >ObHorror: cultures who put CORN or LEEK on pizza! Ugh! Don't blame the Swedes... (but there was a competition in the radio this summer - find the most disgusting pizza in Sweden. Apparently a little pizzashop in northern Sweden had pizza with ice-cream and chocolatesauce on the menu. They won. I still wonder if they put on the ice-cream before or after they'd baked the pizza in the oven.) >>I didn't have to buy any video. CNN fooled me anyway. > >Yeah, but you didn't BUY a piece of plastic to prove it. > No, I feel stupid anyway. >>I really would like to taste it sometime! Honestly. > >Well, I am glad I never did! Fegis! :-) >> >>PS Who was Smalahove? :-) DS > >Who? I have never really connected too much with sheep on a >personal level, at least right before they had their heads >severed. Although sometimes I wish I could thank them for >this nice wooly sweater I like to wear. Dig in to that f?rik?l! Oh, I thought it was a relative. :-) > >(PS: Smalahove means, in some obscure barbaric rural Norwegian tongue, >"sheepshead") Yes, I know... I've been taking Norwegian lessons you know... :-) mvh - Daniel (leaving the room for a while to work!) "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 16:34:59 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:34:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: theo: >What're you bitchin' for? Now yer old man can build 'em a brand new >bunch of buildings. Hell, we're keeping him in work... Well, if you are just trying to be helpful... why not bomb NYC or another city made of glass? :-) Didn't you once say "to solve US's problems we need to nuke the whole country."??? mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Nov 17 16:41:12 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Bishop Garden Records) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:41:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: Hi Gourmets, >I'm trying to find out the big difference 'tween "kroppkakor" (=bodycakes) and >Pitepalt... but I can't. If Henrik is out there somewhere maybe he can help? I think they are the same but You crack some eggs in the potatoe-mash in the kroppkaka. >>Tytteb?r! > >Ha ha! :-) :-) >Tuttb?r!!! If I've ever heard a wonderful word it's tytteb?r!!! Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Nov 18 09:46:28 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:46:28 EST Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <199711171852.SAA20208@camelot.netcom.net.uk>; from "Alasdair Macdonald" at Nov 17, 97 06:47:04 pm Message-ID: ok we've heard all of you in the uk rave about the album,and we all look forward to getting it however,are the versions of Paradox and You'ld better etc just like the hotmg versions ,since they were supposedly live or are they vastly different. regards Marty From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 17:57:18 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:57:18 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 09.46 +0000 "Martyn Lawrence" wrote: > are the versions of Paradox and You'ld better etc > just like the hotmg versions ,since they were supposedly live or are they > vastly different. Well, certainly different in that they are from different concerts, of course. But also, the 1999 YBBI is just over 8 minutes long. The HOTMG versions sound a lot more like studio cleanup jobs (well, I think SH's parts on those are dubbed on). As an aside, both those songs could do with revival into the current set :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 17 16:54:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:54:24 EDT Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971117213459.0091f59c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: From: Daniel Wikdahl > theo: > >What're you bitchin' for? Now yer old man can build 'em a brand new > >bunch of buildings. Hell, we're keeping him in work... > > > Well, if you are just trying to be helpful... why not bomb NYC or another > city made of glass? :-) Well they got a head start with the World Trade Center. Wonder how many panes broke that time? It's probably coming sooner than you think. While US is worrying about Iraq, Iran is going full speed ahead to develop deliverable nukes! > Didn't you once say "to solve US's problems we need to nuke the whole > country."??? > > mvh - Daniel > If I didn't, I should have... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 17 18:00:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:00:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 21.12 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > ObHorror: cultures who put CORN or LEEK on pizza! Ugh! This and BBQ sauce were bad enough to find on English pizzas, but worse was _tuna_. I nearly went into traumatic shock. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Nov 17 17:23:54 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Bishop Garden Records) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:23:54 +0100 Subject: HW : live albums and overproduction Message-ID: >YES! Why aren't there, dammit? ("All The World's A Stage" being my very >favorite live recording.) I'm tired of hearing live albums that sound like >studio tracks with an overdubbed audience. The only live album I've heard >made in the last couple years that made my hair stand on end was King >Crimson's "B'boom"--a self-described "official bootleg." I think it was Supertramp Paris who started the useless live-album trend. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 17 18:52:53 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:52:53 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-17 11:26:32 EST, you write: << No, that's Nik. It's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a bit of violin, forget which track). >> We are leaving out Alan Powell on drums along with Simon King. Also Simon House did play...at least at the show I saw in NYC. They also did Wind of Change at the NYC show. regards, Bill Stewart From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 11:12:29 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:12:29 +0000 Subject: HW: books for sale In-Reply-To: <199711171537.PAA19553@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 15:37 17/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Must be a trading full moon! I heard from a friend on Sunday that >he has the two Hawkwind SF novels for sale (the ones written by >Moorcock-cum-Butterworth - actually the latter not the former!) i.e. >"Time of the Hawklords" and "Queens of Deleria" > >If there's anyone interested in these let me know and I'll pass the info >on. Unfortunately he doesn't have net access.... > >jill Does he really expect money!!!! That's an outrage - they're not worth the pulp value of the paper they are printed on!!!!! (I think I might have said this before *g*) ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 10:47:02 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:47:02 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711171342.NAA10976@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: someone wrote: >> VDGG/HW air forces LP Que? The two together? This sounds like one of my late adolescent fantasies - can someone enlighten me? ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 10:42:18 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:42:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: If HW fans can do it, so can we :) In-Reply-To: <16727350925@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 08:32 17/11/97 EDT, you wrote: >> CN on cassette, T&M/'76 CD, rest vinyl >> >> ChrisW >Right you are. No Cult Classic on vinyl either. I was thinking >original BOC lineup, official releases. Is live '76 official? > >theo > I don't honestly know - it's released by Castle in the UK (CLACD269) who seem to be legit: they specialize in back catalogue reissues. The bumf on the back says:- Produced by Eric Gardner Executive Producer Sandy Pearlman & Steve Schenck Licenced From Binding Energy inc. (P) 1976 Binding Energy Inc. (C) 1991 Castle Communications plc. I'd be very dubious if it was on one of those dodgy Italian labels that exploit a loophole in their copyright laws in order to release bootlegs (e.g. Was there a single date on Nirvana's last European tour that didn't get released as a boot? must've seen at least 20 different ones in belgian record stores when i was living there!) Cheers, ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 11:23:10 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:23:10 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <1397692.3088773339@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:35 17/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >On m?n 17 nov 1997 16.22 +0000 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: >> No, that's Nik. It's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along >> on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a >> bit of violin, forget which track). > > I thought I did as well .... but wasn't sure. > > I was writing up a review, but wasn't sure whether to mention SH or not. > >> And you can't hear Stacia. > > Sure? Some of the lower-pitched wubbly noises _might_ not be the audio generators ..... ;) ;) ;) > >Cheers, >Carl What did I just say?......Naughty boy *g* ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 11:21:56 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:21:56 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <01BCF375.18AC4EC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > >And you can't hear Stacia. That's because "She's a nice girl" > >- Andy > ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 11:28:48 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:28:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971117165035.0091aa3c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Daniel wrote: >Where will our children and moose play? If anybody wants a galloping moose gif, mail me. ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 17 11:57:25 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:57:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <2787406.3088796445@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 23:00 17/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >On m?n 17 nov 1997 21.12 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: >> ObHorror: cultures who put CORN or LEEK on pizza! Ugh! > > This and BBQ sauce were bad enough to find on English pizzas, but worse was _tuna_. I nearly went into traumatic shock. > >Cheers, >Carl Yeah, but somewhere along the line, some ****wit thought it was a good idea to put pineapple on a pizza: in a works canteen one time, they were serving what they claimed to be "Quattro-Stagioni (sp?)" and put pineapple on it - the world is definitely going to hell! ChrisW ObCD: Man/Live at the Padget Rooms, Penarth - rereleased at last! (I've got to gloat about something until I can get my hands on 1999!) Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 17 19:55:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:55:53 +0100 Subject: HW: books for sale In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971117161229.006d3774@mcmail.com> Message-ID: >At 15:37 17/11/97 GMT, jill strobridge wrote: >two Hawkwind SF novels for sale (the ones written by >>Moorcock-cum-Butterworth - actually the latter not the former!) i.e. >>"Time of the Hawklords" and "Queens of Deleria" At 16:12 17/11/97 +0000, Chris Warburton had the bloody nerve to write: >Does he really expect money!!!! That's an outrage - they're not worth the >pulp value of the paper they are printed on!!!!! (I think I might have said >this before *g*) They most certainly ARE :-) In 400 year's time they will be to future mankind what Shaxbard is to us. I agree, they are garbage - wondrous, rare, fantastic garbage, worth every useless piece of money. Shax-who you say? Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 17 19:05:49 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:05:49 +1100 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Sonique To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, 17 November 1997 11:52 Subject: Re: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) > 2% of Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (still a **great** album! :-) I agree, though why you went to the trouble to work out how long the gaps between the tracks work out to as a percentage I'll never know!! I don't know... I quite like the crackly silence between Reefer Madness and Steppenwolf. The pops and crackles after Kadu Flyer are pure art! I've even been getting into the "turning the record over sound" between city of Lagoons and The Aubergine that Ate Rangoon, too.... - Max Wilcox From makmorn at QIS.NET Mon Nov 17 20:33:41 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:33:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971117165725.006e06d8@mcmail.com>; from Chris Warburton on Mon, Nov 17, 1997 at 04:57:25PM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 17, 1997 at 04:57:25PM +0000, Chris Warburton said: > > Yeah, but somewhere along the line, some ****wit thought it was a good idea > to put pineapple on a pizza: Mmmmm! Hawaiian pizza... pineapple & ham. > in a works canteen one time, they were serving > what they claimed to be "Quattro-Stagioni (sp?)" and put pineapple on it - > the world is definitely going to hell! Now where did I put that handbasket? -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From torgo at NORWICH.NET Mon Nov 17 21:04:38 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:04:38 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: a night in Potsdam is a cold, but good, one Message-ID: Theo said.... >Hey, John, they're playing in Elmira this friday... >Anyone else going? Torgo? Not this time I am afraid. I WILL catch them again!!!!! If someone can write a MONSTER review like Jason did, I'll feel like I was there! Great Job!!!! Gee, I gotta come out of hiding for some of these threads!! MUST... FIND.... TIME....... HELP ME..... SPOCK........ Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************************** "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." *********************************************************************** From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Nov 17 21:23:40 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:23:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Wishart Message-ID: bridget never wore a tutu. that was one of alan davey's friends. rj > >> I didn't think that Wishart's antics on stage were at all out of place >> for Hawkwind. We're talking about a band who've had nude dancers, >> members dressed in silver paint, jugglers, fire eaters, people playing >> with swords, people dressed as aliens, people dressed as mad professors, >> Nik's punk clown act. >> >> A tutu and a few bandages are somehow outrageous in the light of all >> this? >> >> Nah. > From torgo at NORWICH.NET Mon Nov 17 21:29:22 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:29:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: ST Cover Message-ID: Allow me this brief moment of silliness (The list is so busy, what is one more message?), But.... Someone once wrote.... >But I have one big problem with the SEE cover... I think you mean the ST cover, right? >How did the dogs die? I always thought it would have been cool if there were 5 dogs, one for each band member. Would have made it ALMOST seem (to my twisted logic) like each animal was a sacrifice to give power to each band member. Not that I have fantasies about members in bands I like flying aircraft with subhuman powers to guide them.... well, at least not anyMORE. In 1974? Well..... Maybe Eric got sick of them yankin' all hell out of the leash and tried some new obedience techniques? Maybe he used a guitar? Maybe that is really where STUN guitar came from? Maybe he stunned them and got caught up in it? Maybe I am better off staying a lurker? ;^) >Isn't there also a mexican on the cover? He looks suspicious! There are some ghostly dudes under the right wing. Or is that the LEFT wing? I mean, if you were sitting in the cockpit and looking ahead and.... "GET ON WITH IT!!!" Oh. Anyway, there IS a Mexican dude under one wing. A couple of them actually. I just thought they were waiting for the picture to snap so they could take the band's orders. Maybe the band gave the dogs the leftovers? Maybe the Burritos caused them to explode? >A typical cagey cretin. I think he did it. I do too. Round up the usual suspects. Lets question these people. >Or maybe that smiling guy in the plane slaughtered the dogs before he entered >the machine. Who's he BTW? I think I've seen him somewhere else... He looks like the guy on the box of "Evil Dead 2: Dead by Dawn" to me. >Poor dogs. Sad really. Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net *********************************************************************** "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." *********************************************************************** From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 17 21:29:24 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:29:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: ST Cover Message-ID: At 09:29 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Allow me this brief moment of silliness (The list is so busy, what is one >more message?), But.... > >Someone once wrote.... > I did! Yes, I meant the ST cover, yes I'm tired, yes I'm confused... I want to go home now... - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Nov 17 20:38:44 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:38:44 +1100 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: At 02:13 PM 17/11/97 +0000, Carl E. Anderson wrote: >On m?n 17 nov 1997 08.38 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: >> My favorite BOC album covers are (in no particular order) Some Enchanted >> Evening, Fire of Unknown Origin, ETL, and OYFOOYK > > I think I might add in _Imaginos_ (assuming we count it as BOC ;) ahead of ETL. _Imaginos_ is simple, but classy. And really fits the mood of the album :) > > Actually, I really like the _ST_ cover too. I've I could have a BOC album cover poster, that would be a serious contender along with _SEE_ ... > My two cents- I really think the best two are AoF and FoUO. Many moons ago you could order album covers on their own. I ordered a AoF cover for my wall. It got me through high school. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Nov 17 20:55:32 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:55:32 +1100 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: At 11:22 AM 17/11/97 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >But since this keeps being brought up, let's rate the back of >the albums looks. > >My favorites are: > >Imaginos (as mentioned) >Cultosaurus (excavation stuff) >ETL (band near spaceship) >Mirrors (band w/ mirrors) >Spectres (the laser bank shot) > My back of albums faves are: Fire of unknown origin Revolution by night On your feet or on your knees. Tyranny and mutation. My fave insides of albums are: On your feet or on your knees. ETL Fire of unknown origin Agents of fortune That was something that CD's will never do as well- big albums packages, with big pictures you could look at without your glasses. Troy >..... >now, if we ever rate the inside pic, it's >gotta be the OYFOOYK 5-guitar attack... > >+---------------------------------------+ >Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | >Roger Shrubstaff, | >Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | >aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | >+--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 21:49:36 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:49:36 +0800 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: >>>Travellers Aid Trust album (*with* the extra track) probably doesn't >>>exist anywhere now >> >> What was the extra track? > > An Ozrics one, I believe. "To Do with Circles"?? > Maybe you mean the one with the band Bjork used to be in? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 17 21:54:02 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:54:02 +0800 Subject: HW - Rarest? Message-ID: How rare is that box set that came out with the interview disk on it? Anyone got a copy of that disk? William From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Nov 18 00:43:35 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:43:35 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm getting a lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. Damon On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:47:50 +0000 "Carl E. Anderson" wrote: > A never-before-released complete Hawkwind show from 1974, digitally >remastered, in a 2 CD set which comes in a special cardboard box > including a >9+ page booklet and groovy A3-sized mini-poster. > > And not before time. > > What can I say? > > 'Phooowaaar' would cover it nicely I think. This album unquestionably >dwarfs every Hawkwind release since 1975, and that's despite a few quite >good albums in the last dozen years. This album is clearly up with 1973's >sun-shattering _Space Ritual_ an ..There's one. > > Recorded at the Chicago Auditorium, 21 March 1974, on the band's second >US tour, this captures Hawkwind in full flight and taking no prisoners. A >nuclear-powered rhythm section of Dave Brock (guitar), Lemmy (bass), and >Simon King (drums), propels the > ..There's another. > On to the packaging ... Well, the recent EMI remasters of Hawkwind's >first five albums broke new ground on their own, but _The 1999 Party_ >probably scores slightly over them in terms of practicality; instead of the >pretty-but-fragile digipacks, _The 1 > ..and another. > No doubt about it: this is an album no less essiential for the newbie >fan than for the hardened Kollector. While confessing to Hawkwind influence >isn't as fashionable in the UK as in the US, this album continues to >highlight the debt--acknowledged or > ..and another. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 01:40:37 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:40:37 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971115194029.00714b10@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971115194029.00714b10 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >My contenders for lame HW tunes: > >Love In Space (flame on!!!!! Lame In Space??) >Waiting For Tomorrow (just love Huw's flat, slurred > vocal delivery and Thompson's drumming > with his forehead - IMO boring tune as well) >Solitary Mind Games (same criteria as above!!!) Had to step in here. Waiting For Tomorrow and SMG (no jokes this time) are great tracks, especially WFT when they did it live, slightly up tempo and with a heavier guitar sound. Someone else also slagged off Dealing with the Devil!! Takes all sorts I suppose. Anyway, despite people contending that HW never did a duffer, you have to be objective about it and there are plenty of them. My overall top nominee has to be the absolutely dreadful Gimme Shelter on IITBOTFTBD - it nearly has the same self-strangulation effect that the theme tune to Neighbours does to me! Other Golden Turkeys which spring to mind: The rest of IITBOTFTBD, Nearly the entire WZ album, The bulk of A4 - especially the title, The decision to let Alan do the vocals on The Right Stuff in TBT, Every song which had Bridget singing, As near as damnit, the whole of Space Bandits, Everything except The War I survived and Wastelands on XC, and I'd better stop. OK, so I've slagged a lot of stuff off there but its not without careful thought. Mark (pulling on flame retardant overalls) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 17 12:57:07 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:57:07 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <1616466.3088776977@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1616466.3088776977 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > An Ozrics one, I believe. "To Do with Circles"?? > >Cheers, >Carl Oh good. :) -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 18 04:24:10 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:24:10 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On Monday, November 17, 1997 11:53 PM, Bill Stewart [SMTP:Stewartbas at AOL.COM] wrote: > We are leaving out Alan Powell on drums along with Simon King. Also Simon > House did play...at least at the show I saw in NYC. They also did Wind of > Change at the NYC show. No we're not - at least I don't think so! According to Rock Family Trees, anyway, Alan didn't join until July that year (after Simon's footy accident). They did go back to the US in September that year, with Alan, though, so I expect you saw them then (lucky dog!) :) Incidentally, isn't it something that they played so many tracks off _Grill_, when the album wasn't even released until that September. How many bands these days would have the bottle to do that? - Andy ObCD: - oh, have a wild guess... -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 18 04:33:04 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:33:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) Message-ID: On Monday, November 17, 1997 11:01 PM, Carl E. Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 21.12 +0100 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: > > ObHorror: cultures who put CORN or LEEK on pizza! Ugh! > > This and BBQ sauce were bad enough to find on English pizzas, but worse > was _tuna_. I nearly went into traumatic shock. > > Cheers, > Carl > Carl, it's such a shame the Green Street kebab shop is no more, or you could have experienced the delight that was the Haji Baba Special Pizza. A perfect fusion of two rich and honourable cuisines: doner kebab on a pizza. Chili sauce optional. A sensational taste experience. I used to live on them. Anwyay, tuna pizza *is* _d?gueulasse_, but it always brings back a happy memory (no I won't elaborate!) :)))) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 18 04:52:08 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:52:08 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man 1999 party Message-ID: Just browsing CDZone, looking for this Penarth record, saw this under "Man": ?11.86 1999 Tour Party PNTVP112CD 7 Nov 1997 Hmm...! Also ?5.55 (CD single) Greasy Truckers Party PNTVP104CD Hmmmm...!!! Might have to go shopping.... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 05:33:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:33:00 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Tue, 18 Nov 97 06:40 +0000 Message-ID: On 18 Nov 06:40, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Anyway, despite people contending that HW never did a duffer, you have > to be objective about it and there are plenty of them. But since no-one agrees on which are duffers, objectivity goes out the window. I like most of the ones you slag off -- I like all of IITBOTFTBD and Alien 4, all the recorded tracks with Bridget singing, at least half of Space Bandits, and most of XC. I agree more with Christian - Waiting for Tomorrow and Solitary Mind Games are desultory, and I agree with those who don't like Wings. I could list others, but I think it's pointless. The only two HW tracks with no redeeming features at all that I can think of are: Running Through The Back Brain Utopia ("If you want to get into it, ...") But I'm sure there will be people on this list who like them! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 05:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:40:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Winter Solstice Party In-Reply-To: Cutting, Richard's mail of Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:06 +0000 Message-ID: On 17 Nov 10:06, Cutting, Richard wrote: > P.S. Does anyone else think that 'Captured Rotation' could almost be a > Hawkwind album ? Almost - if it had Dave on guitar it would be, IMO. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:12:45 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:12:45 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:54:02 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > How rare is that box set that came out with the interview disk on it? good point. I forgot to mention that one. Really crappy presentation set but it's never been reissued. > Anyone got a copy of that disk? yep 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:20:15 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:15 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 12.17 -0500 "Marshall Wood" wrote: > > Sorry - poor editing on my part. I was actually asking about > > the 5th track, "Veteran of 1000 Psychic Wars." > > Ah, well, that would be swooshy noises, + "We walk hand in hand with horror. We ride side by side with death. We are the soldiers at the edge of time, in our mirrored flashing armor, in our secret hideous helms ..." Isn't that "Warrior at the End of Time"? There's a BOC track "Veteran of 1000 Psychic Wars"? What are the lyrics for that? FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 06:23:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:23:00 +0000 Subject: HW: More thoughts on Distant Horizons Message-ID: What do people think of the lyrics to Population Overload and Wheels? I'm not keen on them myself -- not because I don't like social/political lyrics, nor that I disagree with Dave as such; I just think the lyrics are too general. It's as if they're saying "overpopulation is bad" or "pollution is bad", which we already know. I think it's better to make lyrics more personal. Show me how overpopulation or pollution affects someone in particular -- preferably (since this is HW) in a science-fiction scenario. Joni Mitchell made the same mistake with "Dog Eat Dog", in the late 80's (he said, veering wildly off-topic). Her early work was all about people in particular situations, and was excellent. But on "Dog Eat Dog" she lost that, and wrote vague, general, lyrics about how cigarettes are bad, etc. It doesn't work, at least not for me. I guess Bob managed to do it, with Hassan I Sahba, and maybe High Rise, but even those had characterisations of a sort. Hassan I Sahba is more or less the thoughts of one of the Hashihim, and High Rise is basically about someone growing up in a high rise block. Dave's lyrics used to do this. Even songs like "Born To Go" or "Down Through The Night" say "we're doing this ...". His best recent songs are also about individual people - Secret Agent, Right To Decide, Alien, etc. Even Clouded Vision, which isn't one of his greatest, is better than the other two on this album. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:26:56 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:26:56 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > someone wrote: > > >> VDGG/HW air forces LP > > Que? > > The two together? > > This sounds like one of my late adolescent fantasies - can someone > enlighten me? 1974 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship [AFRTS 1974] (The Hawkwind tracks were:) Psychedelic Warlords Wind of Change Hall of the Mountain Grill Paradox FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:28:33 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:28:33 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:54:02 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > How rare is that box set that came out with the interview disk on it? > > Anyone got a copy of that disk? > > William > I guess I must have a copy of it somewhere... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:30:05 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:30:05 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:40:37 +0000 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Other Golden Turkeys which spring to mind: > > The rest of IITBOTFTBD, > Nearly the entire WZ album, > The bulk of A4 - especially the title, > The decision to let Alan do the vocals on The Right Stuff in TBT, > Every song which had Bridget singing, > As near as damnit, the whole of Space Bandits, > Everything except The War I survived and Wastelands on XC, Also "Nuclear Drive" which is just plain embarrassing. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 04:12:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:12:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Wishart In-Reply-To: <01bcf3c8$fc2abf80$9c2267cf@sprawl> Message-ID: In article <01bcf3c8$fc2abf80$9c2267cf at sprawl>, Ron Jennings writes >bridget never wore a tutu. that was one of alan davey's friends. >rj > > Never? Hey, even *I've* worn a tutu onstage! Albeit over the top of the spacesuit. (Reading Town Hall '86 with RDF and Culture Shock) -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 06:40:09 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:40:09 GMT Subject: Calvert & Brock "Sniffin' Flowers" interview Message-ID: I picked up a fanzine "Sniffin' Flowers" at a record fair. There's a Calvert/Brock interview in it and also a Moorcock one. Thanks to Jill for typing this up. The date looks like autumn '77 when the "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" album came out. Could someone with Knut's address please alert him to this in case he doesn't have it? FoFP ********************************* Interview with Dave Brock and Bob Calvert recorded by and published in "Sniffin Flowers" magazine (2nd issue) c. 1977 Sniffin' Flowers: How did Hawkwind come about? Dave Brock: Well it was formed in 1969 by me and then I met Bob Calvert who was a poet down Notting Hill Gate and he comes up to me and says "I got this idea, I've written this Space Ritual" and Nik Turner this mate of mine wanted to join up with the band, so he did. And then, he (Bob Calvert) left, he decided he could do better by himself and he suddenly discovered he couldn't so he came back again, a wandering star he is. Last year we nearly folded up because we were in so much debt. Last year was the closest we've ever come to folding, but it's looking a bit better now. There's a brief history. S.F: Why the name Hawkwind? D.B: Well it was to do with Nik Turner's rude behaviour right, he was always hawking wasn't he? Bob Calvert: He still is. D.B: And he used to fart a lot too and he said to me one day, let's call it Hawkwind and then there's the mythical story behind it isn't there Robert. B.C: What? D.B: It's got a lot of mystical significance. S.F: (To Robert Calvert) Why do you keep leaving and rejoining? B.C: Cos I'm a very restless person I suppose. I suppose really this band's always going through changes you know. Sometimes there are nice people in it and sometimes there aren't. D.B: Sometimes there are nasty people in it. S.F: Would you like to name anyone? B.C: Paul Rudolf. D.B: Alan Powell, were the worst influences on the band. They were the reason the band nearly folded up. S.F: Musical influences or what? D.B: Musical and personal because of their egos. B.C.: They wanted to make the band into a funky soul band 'cos about a year ago that was the vogue thing to do. S.F: (To Bob Calvert) Why do you now concentrate more upon the vocals than you did in the past? B.C: Well, I used to stand there and read poetry which I think is not very exciting. It's all right now and then, but we try and work towards generating some excitment now, things have to change. D.B: I mean, you can't do the same thing all the time. B.C: You have to digress. It's only like half way between singing and talking, you know which I think is more acceptable. Actually the German classical composers did that a lot. Kurt Weil used to call it 'sprechgesang', which means talk-sing. There's no way of putting poetry to music. S.F: Why don't you do a lot of the earlier numbers anymore? B.C: It's just that they are old numbers, you know if you are a composer like Dave Brock you don't want to do old things, you've got new ideas all the time and half the time you haven't got outlets for them. I mean he's got loads of tapes of things that haven't been heard yet. It's not very encouraging to keep on doing stuff you've done over and over again. S.F: Are the more recent numbers less Science Fiction influenced? B.C: No, I think the newer numbers are more influenced by Science Fiction. I think we're maturing a lot now, I mean on Amazing Music there were numbers that weren't anything to do with Science Fiction, you know. Rudolf was always carping about not doing it and it affects you. D.B: You get an idea and you like things to be a sort of unit and we were in the studio and he was in a chair playing his bass and we were doing a high energy number! You can't do things when people are behaving like that and it's the same with your ideas. This album that we've just done is a step in the right direction. One part is a whole concept, it's more towards what we were doing with Doremi and all that lot. We are going back to where we sort of went off course. S.F: Would you consider yourself an S.F. band? D.B.: Yeah, we do, in actual fact we are the only band that is doing that sort of thing. B.C.: We are the only band that gets written about in S.F. fanzines. Moorcock didn't make it an S.F. band he was drawn to it because of what it was. S.F: Who are your own S.F. influences. D.B: I haven't really got any influences there I mean you read a book and you get an idea. B.C: It's more a case of actually being influenced by the science that's all around you. You can't help but come into contact with it all the time, rather than being influenced by S.F. We make what we make of the world into music and it comes out as S.F. which I think is the only valid way you can write about the times we find ourselves in. I always try to write about things that haven't happened quite yet, but I'm quite sure will happen. Like Spirit of the Age is not quite about the age that we are in now, but one we are heading for. S.F: How did Hawkwind become associated with Michael Moorcock? B.C: It came about from him being in Notting Hill Gate when we were in Notting Hill Gate. Before I did anything with the band I went to see them at the Roundhouse. Barney Bubbles had just done those cabinets and the drums and I thought how very Moorockian they looked, at the same time I was working for Friends magazine and I did this interview with Moorock and I told him about the band and he came to a gig in Paris Square. S.F: How did the Space Ritual idea come about? B.C: Well, it didn't really come about, it was an idea that didn't ever really get off the ground. D.B: It was never done to its fullest, it was only half done. B.C: But I think the idea of it made a lot of the things that you now see in the band happen. If it hadn't happened like that it wouldn't have developed the way it is now, the light show might not have been along the lines it is now. S.F: How did the Light Show evolve? B.C: Along with the band Jon Smeeton had been doing light shows for other bands. D.B: He was another guy around Notting Hill Gate at the same time when we were all living round there and we just met up with him and he's been with us since 1971. B.C: That's when Notting Hill was like the left band in Paris with its out of work artists and it lasted for 2-3 years. D.B: And then it became degenerate, full of junkies and alcoholics. B.C: I think that LSD was a major influence on our generation in art and music. A lot of people, especially the New Wave enthusiasts have dismissed the whole psychadelic era as if it were totally insignificant which they are very wrong about. There was far more creativity than there is now. Punk music although it is very energetic and I find it a lot more refreshing to hear than what older bands are doing, doesn't have as much actual creativity as we had when we were that age and we were a new wave. I'm sure that very soon there's going to be a lookback at that time and on our new album we've got a song about the period which is not making excuses for it, but holding it up as something we are actually proud to have been involved in, which is not a very fashionable view to take now. It was the most important era in rock and in another year or two, you're going to have nothing but people looking back on that time. Rock and roll had started out as just an energy dance music, then it was influenced by the blues and then it started being influenced by a whole lot of things like poetry, eastern music, LSD, mystical experiences and S.F. suddenly coming into it and opening it up as an art form, which it maintained for quite a long period with bands like the Pink Floyd and us, who were really spearheading the movement and it splintered out in different ways. The Floyd became comfortable, bourgeois and settled and just professional studio musicians and then punks came along to smash apart that sort of complacency, but they are not doing anything creative. The psychadelic era will be revived, we've not dismissed it, we've not said right it's fucking over now we'll play funky music because that's the thing to do. D.B: Not a revival as it was but a revival to what's happening now, 'cos everything that's done has been changed, it'll never be like that again. You can only touch on the outside of the circle that you're in. B.C: But journalists will try and revive the era, look at the way nostalgia has been going. It started off with the twenties for a short time, then through the thirties and forties very quickly, got into the fifties, now they are moving into the sixties, then they are going to have to move into 1971 because there is nothing happening now. D.B: So in a couple of years they will be well into psychedelia and "You remember those good old days" and all this. B.C: The music and the art that was happening then was really good. S.F: What do you think of the bands that have come out of Hawkwind? D.B: Motorhead are alright. I'm really glad Lemmy's got it together. S.F: What about Kicks? D.B: They are nothing to do with Hawkwind. B.C: Kicks are quite a funky band and are the sort of band Alan Powell and Paul Rudolf should have been in rather than trying to disrupt things in this one. D.B: Lemmy's band are the nearest to Hawkwind, Lemmy's you can say is like a splinter off the tree. B.C: Like the Grateful Dead and the New Riders. S.F: Where did you get hold of Adrian? D.B: Well he used to play for Magic Muscle in Bristol, who we have known for many years, they used to do free gigs with us and in fact he had played with us before on and off when Lemmy didn't turn up, he was a natural choice, it's a pity he didn't join sooner. S.F: What's your opinion of the Hawklords book. D.B: Well it's a sort of joke really. S.F: Do the characters in any way resemble yourselves? B.C: I shouldn't think they do. They're sort of like cartoon figures. D.B: I think he did touch at the surface of people's characters 'cos he went to Mike and asked him about them. I think that's what he did because some of the characters do behave vaguely like we do. B.C: I don't think you expect characters in this sort of stuff. D.B: Like Dan Dare. B.C: I think that this book is aimed at young people, which a lot of our following is amongst, which I can't understand. We get a lot of people who are young enough to be our children. S.F: Maybe you're something they can relate to. B.C: Yeah, Hawkwind has always had two strains running through it, one is the heavy street type music and the other is the spacey type music. Lemmy has taken the heaviness and got rid of the spaciness and we are halfway between the two really. I mean we were part of the more militant side of the underground culture, we regarded outselves as a guerilla band and we were against the established music business at the time. We refused to follow the dictates of record companies to produce hit material. Silver Machine was never a planned thing it was accidental. We didn't know we were going to have a hit single until it happened and I suppose that changed our attitude a bit, 'cos a lot of money came in which we hadn't set out to make. And from then onwards it became less of a pastime and more of a professional occupation. S.F: Did you always want to be rock stars? B.C: I certainly never did, I wanted to be a poet, which I still want to be. Actually I've got my first book of poems coming out called "Centigrade 232". I don't think we ever wanted to be stars, but to be at the head of a small cult would be enough. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Nov 18 05:42:05 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:42:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Adrift in the Ether Message-ID: Hej, I just got this great new book called Adrift in the Ether: British Psychedelic Underground! It has near complete discographies of all the british psych bands from the 80's (HW, Dr. Brown, Mandragora, Magic Musroom Band, Astrlasia, you name it... A great reference book. The sections on GONG and Hawkwind are very impressive and like 10 pages each!! He of course mentions that HW have had the most influence of any psych band!! Great stuff! SCott ObCD- Ozric Tentacles- Curious Corn Tangle Edge- Takra ObCs- ZZTOP- Memphis 1971! R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 91 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Nov 18 07:11:26 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:11:26 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: I'm always surprised to hear what other people think sucks/is cool! >Other Golden Turkeys which spring to mind: > >The rest of IITBOTFTBD, >Nearly the entire WZ album, >The bulk of A4 - especially the title, >The decision to let Alan do the vocals on The Right Stuff in TBT, >Every song which had Bridget singing, >As near as damnit, the whole of Space Bandits, >Everything except The War I survived and Wastelands on XC, >and I'd better stop. The animosity against IITBOTHTBD is beyond my understanding! I was terribly pleased when I first brought this album home and put it on, thinking "All right! Another Hawkwind masterpiece! The band is daring enough to have great variety without ever letting me down." I really like that album, though I admit that Gimme Shelter isn't that great, and I would have preferred new songs to the remakes on the second half of the CD. The instrumental stuff is fine though. I also liked Bridget's voice. I liked Xenon Codex. So here's my turn to piss people off by saying what I haven't liked by Hawkwind.... 1)Xenomorph (just a really bland song) 2)Sadness Runs Deep (appropriate for a Brock solo album maybe, but awful for Electric Tepee) 3)Song of the Swords (this is as cheese-metal as Hawkwind ever got. I play it to horrify people) 4) Needle Gun (why why why do they keep playing this silly number?) 5) I don't mind the cover to Warrior on the Edge of Time, but it seems most Hawkfans think it's the best-ever album cover, which I just don't understand... there are much better ones! 6) Lighthouse (This Tim Blake number always makes me cringe) I think that's about it for me. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 07:23:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:23:42 +0000 Subject: HW: More thoughts on Distant Horizons Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 11.23 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > I guess Bob managed to do it, with Hassan I Sahba, and maybe High Rise, > but even those had characterisations of a sort. Hassan I Sahba is > more or less the thoughts of one of the Hashihim, and High Rise is > basically about someone growing up in a high rise block. Hassan I Sabha works IMO because (it has a great riff and) the lyrics are a not terribly coherent rant :) High Rise, on the other hand, tells a story to a certain degree > Dave's lyrics used to do this. Even songs like "Born To Go" or > "Down Through The Night" say "we're doing this ...". But, similar to Hassan I Sabha, they concentrated on "lyric bites". They conveyed the ideas in short, punchy statements. Dave's more recent songs try to string things into long coherent phrases which are too close to normal speech (and are therefore a bit boring). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Nov 18 07:28:12 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:28:12 -0500 Subject: HW/BRAIN: Hassan I Sahba In-Reply-To: <199711181123.LAA12494@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: >I guess Bob managed to do it, with Hassan I Sahba, and maybe High Rise, >but even those had characterisations of a sort. Hassan I Sahba is >more or less the thoughts of one of the Hashihim, and High Rise is >basically about someone growing up in a high rise block. The Surgeons have really done an excellent job in re-doing this tune. It was quite heavy in nuture and maintained that slippery groove,too; with Albert singing it, the maniacalness of the lyrics was well emphasized. Get Malpractice. It's good for you. (is that a contradiction or what?) Jason From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Nov 18 07:32:48 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason M. Scruton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:32:48 -0500 Subject: BRAIN/HW : Badwind and needles In-Reply-To: <199711181211.HAA01455@wcic.org> Message-ID: >4) Needle Gun (why why why do they keep playing this silly number?) I liked the tune a lot more when I heard the Surgeons play it this past weekend mainly because I didn't particularly like the way it was produced on the CD originally. Live though, it's a far better ditty to rock out to--in the right hands that is. Also, Al and Deb handle the vocal duties on it. Card carrying member of the Brain Surgeons Anonymous, ("Hi....I'm a *gulp* fan.") Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 07:29:58 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:29:58 GMT Subject: HW: Distant Horizons lyrics In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:31:17 -0000 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Here goes again... Ron's lyrics are a bit of a word salad, which doesn't > make it easy... > > Reptoid Vision: > > The crown is red, turn gold into lead > Mercury switch and the atom is split > High tension wire, fire burnin' your eyes > Wheels of flame through the crack in the sky > > ... I lose [???] Circuit boards ???? what's in my limbs > Atom brain cell in a nuclear mind > Punch cocktail sip radioactive sick? > 2000 cockroach on a nuclear shockwave > > Reptoid vision, silicon eyes > Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye > The gravity claw is scratching my brain > My feet are itching on the suicide train > > Daddy was a loony in the looniest way > Mummy was a reptile ... > ... the colour of red > Rep-sect in-tile in my head > > Digital crystal, scratched with the scene > Escalator sidewalks, compared with our dreams conveyor belt dreams > Fire created the chemical motion > Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean > > Reptoid vision, silicon eyes > Brain switched on, kiss the planet goodbye > The gravity claw is scratching my brain > My feet are slipping on the suicide train > > Revelations, everybody! > Revelations, I say! > You know the devil... shall rise from the pit > Atomic mutation > A man with five legs > Animal, bird and human > Genetic engineering > > Hey little boy > Hey Mum and Dad > Hey Uncle Sam > > Centipede head, reptilian legs > Abdominal chest with a silicon breast > Back of the queue when they picked out my brain pickled? > Got to break out of the DNA > > Digital crystal, scratched with the scene > Escalator sidewalks, split at the seams > Fire created the chemical motion > Tidal wave curve on the rise of the ocean > > Reptoid vision, silicon eyes > Pain switched off, press the button and die > I told you before I won't tell you again > My teeth are biting on the suicide game > > > Population Overload: > > I had barely left home before I noticed the rush > Thousands of people in a crush > Forcing me to move with my arms in front of my chest > A straitjacket suit, a concrete vest > All sizes same, looking straight ahead > What are you thinking of? Are we brain-dead? > > The world's gone cock-eyed > Set to explode > Protoplasmic nucleus of DNA code > Automatic elevating > ... accelerating > Automatic elevating > The escalator ... > > > Wheels: > > Ship of steel, container of oil > In this world of the wheel > This world of oil > Our watch is declared, we must move on > Blackbird was heard, we were death to its song > Eyes of Apaches dictating the smoke > In cities, is there no hope? > In this world of the wheel > This world of oil > World of the wheel > World of oil > > [then some more very faint stuff] > > > > - Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 07:35:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:35:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.43 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" wrote: > Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm getting a > lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. No idea. My postings all come back to me with lines intact. Anyone? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Nov 18 07:41:38 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:41:38 +0100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <967798.3088766191@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <967798.3088766191 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> on 17/11/97, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> ps-don't worry, Steve, there's enough left to cover the cheque BDL> for the ICU CD-ROM! ;) Well, I've been following discussions about that CD, what is it exactly ? Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Nov 18 07:41:43 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:41:43 +0100 Subject: HW:Belgian tour ? Message-ID: Hi Any info about a Belgian tour soon ? (EMI is not informed yet...) and whatabout Spain ? Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 07:50:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:50:28 +0000 Subject: HW: ICU CD ROM Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 13.41 +0100 "Olivier Boigey" wrote: > Well, I've been following discussions about that CD, what is it exactly ? All the ICU audio and video output recorded from Steve Pond's vinyl and compressed onto a CD-ROM. Not the most marvelous quality in the world, but a damn good deal for 15 quid! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 18 06:48:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:48:47 EDT Subject: off:zz top In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Scott Heller > ObCs- ZZTOP- Memphis 1971! > Hey! What's this about? Boot? Where'd you get it? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 18 08:32:08 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:32:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: At 12:35 PM 11/18/97 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.43 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" wrote: >> Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm getting a >> lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. > > No idea. My postings all come back to me with lines intact. Anyone? > I haven't seen anything wrong with your postings. - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 08:38:20 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:38:20 -0500 Subject: OFF/(HW): Acrimony In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971117102011.00907248@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >>Seem interesting enough. Sound like a cross between Kyuss and Cathedral, >>maybe with more of a psychey edge.... Hawkwind are mentioned along with >>Sabbath as primary influences and they have opened for Hawkwind in the >>past (most recently in London at the Empire on Halloween) - anyone here >>see them or have their latest album? > >Yep, Carl does. >Someday when I either is very drunk or just feel like a rich man I'll >buy an Acrimony CD. Right know Fu Manchu's "Action Is a Go" is more important. >IMHO Acrimony sounds too much like Kyuss for me to really dig them. >No own original ideas. >But maybe they'll get a more distinctive sound in the future - they seem >to some potential (but they gotta get rid of their singer!) I've got _Tumuli Shoomaroom_ ... one of those listen-to-it-once, put-it-on- the-shelf albums. I *wanted* to like it, because it's time we had a successor to Budgie as Gods of Welsh Metal, but, well, it *is* a bit bland and unoriginal. It didn't make me think "Kyuss", more "Monster Magnet." Alun From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 08:45:23 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:45:23 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <01BCF375.18AC4EC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: t's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along >on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a >bit of violin, forget which track). You'll be thinking of "It's So Easy". I wonder how this sounds to a non-HW-fan - lumbering, shapeless, endless drivel I suppose, but I mean, it's just awesome, isn't it? Along with the rest of the album. Never thought I could be so enthusiastic about another HW live album! :-) Alun > >And you can't hear Stacia. > >- Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 18 08:40:48 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:40:48 -0600 Subject: Theo/Live Albums/Stuff Message-ID: >Well, I'm old, overweight, losing my hair, have a shitty job, and my >dogs won't obey me... >theo Aw quit your whinning. At least we here at BOC-L still love ya. 8>) >Didn't you once say "to solve US's problems we need to nuke the whole >country."??? mvh - Daniel Been there, done that. Can't you tell? >YES! Why aren't there, dammit? ("All The World's A Stage" being my very >favorite live recording.) I'm tired of hearing live albums that sound like >studio tracks with an overdubbed audience. The only live album I've heard >made in the last couple years that made my hair stand on end was King >Crimson's "B'boom"--a self-described "official bootleg." Great point. Stage is a solid number 2 (for me) after feet/knees. Fortunate enough to have seen many tours that resulted in live albums or supported live albums during the 70's. Feet & Stage rank in the top becuase both bands sounded like those recordings when I saw them. Best Live album I have heard in years is Y&T Live, the farewell recording from Metal Blade records. Not counting boots here. Speaking of Live albums does King Biscuit have a website? I'm sure they have tons of BOC shows in their vaults why not release one. Torgo>Not this time I am afraid. I WILL catch them again!!!!! If someone can write a MONSTER review like Jason did, I'll feel like I was there! Great Job!!!! Wow what year is this? Torgo posted! L8er lil ab "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." OBCD - Ear Candy, King's X From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 18 08:53:14 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:53:14 -0500 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) Message-ID: > That was something that CD's will never do as well- big albums packages, >with big pictures you could look at without your glasses. Yeah. CBS should at least have moved the crystal ball with the symbol on Spectres over a bit, and placed a magnifying glass over the ship on CE so you could make out the logo on it. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 18 08:56:21 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:56:21 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >The only two HW tracks with no redeeming features at all that I can >think of are: > > Running Through The Back Brain > Utopia ("If you want to get into it, ...") > I find Back Brain has a rather monotonous riff. It doesn't seem to go anywhere. The same with Utopia, I guess. I think it would have worked better if it had been much, much shorter. William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 09:40:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:40:46 +0000 Subject: OFF/(HW): Acrimony Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 08.38 -0500 "Alun Hughes" wrote: > I've got _Tumuli Shoomaroom_ ... one of those listen-to-it-once, put-it-on- > the-shelf albums. I *wanted* to like it, because it's time we had a successor > to Budgie as Gods of Welsh Metal, but, well, it *is* a bit bland and > unoriginal. It didn't make me think "Kyuss", more "Monster Magnet." That was my first impression too, though it grew on me after some listening. Now I bring it out every couple of weeks (I've a limited CD collection in the UK!) and am re-surprised with how decent it is. Frankly, discounting the HW-mystique, it _is_ better than most recent HW efforts! But you're right that it doesn't really get out and distinguish itself. Still, the band has promise (and are good fun live :) and I hope that they'll sparkle a bit more on the next album. Now, the new Orange Goblin album ... _that's_ definitely a fun and groovy piece of work. Not much HW influence, but it grooves and chunks in all the right places :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 09:36:37 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:36:37 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <76611582.6112885@technolink.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:41:38 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Well, I've been following discussions about that CD, what is it exactly ? Go to the icu web page for full details, www.doremi.co.uk/icu there`s an audio sample there so you can make up your own mind aboyt the quality, the stuff sampled from CD is CD quality, the stuff from vynil is vynil quality.. unfortunately it`s my -old- vynil.. :) -Steve From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 10:25:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:25:51 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971118134455.399755ae@cygnus.newi.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.16.19971118134455.399755ae at cygnus.newi.ac.uk>, Alun Hughes writes >I wonder how this sounds to >a non-HW-fan - lumbering, shapeless, endless drivel I suppose, I think it's time to take our message to the streets. Death To Unbelievers! -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 18 11:15:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: I'm waiting for my Hawks: recent acquisitions Message-ID: With all this talk of the two new Hawkwind releases, I figured I'd go over some spacey stuff I've gotten in the last few weeks (my Visa is smokin'!): Neu! s/t - the opening track "Hallogallo" all I have heard so far (now playing) since I just picked this up. This is awesome, driven stuff, a really tight rhythm with spacey guitar "wah's" bubbling up at regular intervals. I didn't think Neu! would be so *spacey*, this is great stuff... oh, here we go, the next track... so far, WOW.... (later:) The CD's played its course by now... other GREAT standout is "Negativland", and this is overall a little mindblower. Now I know where Negativland got their name! I also got Neu! 75 but have yet to give it a spin... Alien Planetscapes - "Life On Earth" - Again, brilliant stuff. Really really really brilliant. Music played by aliens, a groove unknown to man emanates from my speakers... I suppose if Ozric Tentacles actually were from another planet - maybe they'd be this good in a million years. Every single track here is a masterpiece. Get info via the Born To Go site! NOW! Breath Grenades - "Space Rawk Replicas" - this is bizarre punkrock from a bunch no good heads. Not overly great, it's like the first Monster Magnet demos played on a fucked up tape deck at double speed. Sort of a crass meeting of that and Cosmic Psychos after a fatal beer & LSD lobotomy. Some good acid ranting towards the end of the CD, the (barely) standout tracks here are "Punkwind" (just a really fast punk thing with no melody and lyrics about mohawks and razorblades in space) and "Turn That Shit Off", which is the same noisy sound but with different lyrics about getting messed up and playing loud music. Some really bizarre keyboard noises quack along under the fuzz throughout which is likely to mess you up big time if you are turned on. Most curious. Melting Euphoria - "Upon The Solar Winds" - this is ok Cleopatra label spacerock, decent enough. Sounds ALOT like Brainticket maybe with a dash of Ozrics, but nothing truly mindblowing. Also, that icky tinny sound that Cleopatra seems to love (along with the often tacky design) bothers me as usual. Give me Steve Pond's vinyl anyday!! (I disagree with Carl here, the vinyl transfer has alot more "oomph" than the CD transfers on the ICU CDrom!) Gong - "Shapeshifter+" - Looks like the reconstructed Aellen line up are groping for something as good as the Radio Gnome stuff, and are not even coming near. Ok, IMO better than the Aellen-less (cold?) fusion stuff, but a far cry from old glories... ok listen, though disposable enough. Amorphis - "Tales From The Thousand Lakes" - this is decent enough death-y metal with a melodious folk influence and more range than most of these kinds of bands. Pretty different than the My Kantele psych effort (which was IMO very cool). Too bad about the dumb "death growl" vocals which mars some fine music. Somewhat mystical sounding in places, and captures an atmosphere of the Finnish folk poem the Kalevala, though nothing out of this world. Jessamine - "Another Fictionalized History" - I posted about this band before, but I'll try to make more sense here. Definetly an interesting combination of the Spacemen 3 "drone" spacerock branch of the galaxy and drippy, kraut-y analog keyboard tendencies of early Tangerine Dream and Cosmic Jokers etc. Throw in a dash of US "indie hipster" muzak sound (??) I guess, or some of Stereolab's less "loung-y" aspects. Some tracks are huge, cosmic psychedelic affairs (like "I'm Not Afraid of Electricity"), and it also contains some GREAT covers of both Suicide's wonderful "Cheree" and "Oscillations" by Silver Apples (I'm not familiar with the last band but they seem interesting from an article I read in Wire). Anyway, to me at least, this is a great Jessamine primer and a varied selection of single tracks collected on one CD. VERY nice digipack too. There! Now, as I patiently wait for DH and 1999 Party.... Christian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 12:22:07 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:22:07 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:35:41 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.43 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" wrote: > > Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm getting a > > lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. > > No idea. My postings all come back to me with lines intact. Anyone? They're all coming through fi Fo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:33:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:33:11 -0500 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl Message-ID: >Probably because Live 76 was realesed during the 90's when vinyl was no longer popular. It certainly wasn't released in 76 or was it? What say you FAQ MAN? I have no knowlege of Live 76 being released either on vinyl, or cassette. It did, however, get released in 1991, so certainly vinyl was not even as popular as it is today. This release is a bit weird -- the video shot for it was something that is done (or was done) at the venue, where the video footage was played back on a screen during the performance. It was not originally intended as any sort of release, but was put together with an audio of the show (I've heard that Geranios may be the culprit, but I don't know for sure, and I may be remembering this wrong) and it got released as a video (and a bootleg video, I think). Somehow through all of this the audio to that video got released by Castle Communications as the CD that we all know and hate (because of the rather bad sound mix). I believe that Albert may know more about this - at one time he mentioned here about suing someone over this. Note: I don't know what year the original bootleg video came out, but I suspect it was before 1991? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 18 12:40:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:40:55 -0500 Subject: Theo/Live Albums/Stuff Message-ID: >Speaking of Live albums does King Biscuit have a website? I'm sure they have tons of BOC shows in their vaults why not release one. King Biscuit does, I believe, have a website, but I don't have the URL. I believe they need to work out copyright stuff with Sony/Columbia to release the BOC stuff that's "in the vaults" -- it seems that I queried them about this several months ago and that was the response they gave me. There are several excellent recordings that would be very cool to have on CD. John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 18 12:44:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:44:22 +0100 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl Message-ID: >Note: I don't know what year the original bootleg video came out, but I >suspect it was before 1991? > >John > > And I suspect the sound of the boot is at least as *good* as the Castle release. - Danne "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 12:53:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:53:29 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 15.25 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > I think it's time to take our message to the streets. > Death To Unbelievers! "I am the Great Cornholio! You have awakened my bunghole! And now you must pay! The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers!" heh heh yeah, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 12:56:13 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:56:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: I'm waiting for my Hawks: recent acquisitions Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 17.15 +0100 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > Amorphis - "Tales From The Thousand Lakes" - this is decent enough > death-y metal with a melodious folk influence and > more range than most of these kinds of bands. Pretty > different than the My Kantele psych effort (which was > IMO very cool). Too bad about the dumb "death growl" > vocals which mars some fine music. Somewhat mystical > sounding in places, and captures an atmosphere of > the Finnish folk poem the Kalevala, though nothing > out of this world. _Elegy_ was brilliant. Among my top 10 for the decade. Amorphis can release another album like that as soon as they want, IMO. I haven't actually heard _Tales From The Thousand Lakes_, but got the impression that it was rather like you describe. I'll probably pick it up sometime (sometime far in the future when I'm not destitute! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Tue Nov 18 12:55:15 1997 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:55:15 -0600 Subject: hw: the scoop, please? Message-ID: Hi all, OK, please give me the scoop (label, catalog #, availability in US, etc.) on Distant Horizons and the 1999 live thing. I've heard all these wondrous praises for them, but don't really know how soon--or even if--I'll be able to get them yet! Thanks! Allan. ObBook: Moorcock, _Fabulous Harbours_ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. allan.t.grohe.jr at mail.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 18 12:41:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:41:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <01BCF405.1018B600.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 09:33 18/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >Carl, it's such a shame the Green Street kebab shop is no more, or you could >have experienced the delight that was the Haji Baba Special Pizza. A perfect >fusion of two rich and honourable cuisines: doner kebab on a pizza. Chili >sauce optional. A sensational taste experience. I used to live on them. To bring this full circle, the first place I had that on pizza was in Copenhagen and it was great. Anyway, the one I had later in Link?ping in Sweden some months later was not as good, but still rather nice. In Norway people put corn (maize) on anything, kebabs, pizza, potato salad, well anything, and I think it's yucky and totally un-kosher. I used to like corn but now I hate it. :( Some places you get a kebab and it's basically a whole can of corn on top of fried cat topped with Thousand Island dressing (though of course you can get outstanding kebab's as well). Christian From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Nov 18 13:13:34 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:13:34 -0500 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl In-Reply-To: <199711181733.MAA12549@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >I have no knowlege of Live 76 being released either on vinyl, or cassette. >It did, however, get released in 1991, so certainly vinyl was not even >as popular as it is today. This release is a bit weird -- the video shot >for it was something that is done (or was done) at the venue, where the >video footage was played back on a screen during the performance. Wasn't it originally recorded for broadcast for a hotel nearby in a closed circuit simulcast? >released as a video (and a bootleg video, I think). Somehow through all >of this the audio to that video got released by Castle Communications as >the CD that we all know and hate (because of the rather bad sound mix). >I believe that Albert may know more about this - at one time he mentioned >here about suing someone over this. I remember him saying how he didn't like the performance in general as not being representative of BOC at that time. The coolest part is the "extra lines" in CoFwRnR: "only one thing that Little Richard told me," the delivery of those lines were priceless. Premiered one of the few radio playble tracks on _Pete Bohevesky_ on the radio, Jason From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:30:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:30:44 -0500 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl Message-ID: >>Note: I don't know what year the original bootleg video came out, but I >suspect it was before 1991? > >And I suspect the sound of the boot is at least as *good* as the Castle release. Oh, I suspect the sound quality might be *identical* . . . ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 18 13:33:02 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:33:02 -0500 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl Message-ID: >>for it was something that is done (or was done) at the venue, where the >video footage was played back on a screen during the performance. >Wasn't it originally recorded for broadcast for a hotel nearby in a closed circuit simulcast? That I have no idea. >>I believe that Albert may know more about this - at one time he mentioned >here about suing someone over this. >I remember him saying how he didn't like the performance in general as not being representative of BOC at that time. I suspect that it may have more to do with royalties, OR it's about that infamous tuxedo shirt... ;-) John From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 18 12:51:27 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:51:27 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <199711171852.SAA20208@camelot.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711171852.SAA20208 at camelot.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes > >I paid ?22.99 (Andy's Records, King's Lynn) Finally found it at Oxford Street Virgin Megathing for ?19.99. Spoke with Tower Records yesterday, they were going to do it at ?21.99. I'm going to take this one nice and slowly to savour each moment, this sort of release only comes round once in a lifetime. Highlight so far has to be Lemmy's bellowsome efforts in Sonic Attack, he was probably making sure they could hear it the other side of the States! Mark (A happy chappy this evening) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 14:35:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:35:47 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party, Welcome vocals? Message-ID: On tis 18 nov 1997 17.51 +0000 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: > Highlight so far > has to be Lemmy's bellowsome efforts in Sonic Attack, he was probably > making sure they could hear it the other side of the States! Speaking of which, who is doing the vocals on "Welcome to the Future". To my not-necessarily-reliable ears, it didn't sound that much like Dave or Nik ... is it Lemmy? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 14:32:15 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:32:15 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <2WrwrBAfWdc0Ewev@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Finally found it at Oxford Street Virgin Megathing for ?19.99. Spoke > with Tower Records yesterday, they were going to do it at ?21.99. > I got it from Our Price for 19.99, instead of HMV at 22.50. What I would like to say is that I am impressed with someone in the Hawkwind camp. For the first time in ages there appears to be some promotion behind a new HW album. I mean getting in the 2 for 22 pounds at HMV has got to help. The other piece of promotion was in Our Price, where they have a 'our recommendation' bit which has a paragraph about the CD, and they were saying something about it being HW's 1st studio album in 2 years, and the results are mindblowing. Or something equally positive, designed to shift units. I haven't seen this amount of advertising since I saw a scrappy 2 colour poster for a Flicknife LP. And for all of you waiting for the 1999 party, well let me just say that your lives are incomplete and every minute without it is a wasted minute of your life. There, has that helped? Mike w From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 18 14:30:24 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:30:24 -0600 Subject: Good HW songs/Live 76 and Vinyl Message-ID: "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will?" - The Tick Kind of how I feel about some of the Hawkwind threads at time; limited knowledge of the band and only having the two live offerings well...hard to say more than Rox/Sux. However, as I am prone to do I will throw in a couple of coins about this... >4) Needle Gun (why why why do they keep playing this silly number?) This is on Chronicle of the Black Swords, there are two versions of this CD, yes? I have one and this song is one of my faves from that cd. It rox. Rudy was right for suggesting this one as a tBS cover. Fits them well I think. This song would also sound good on the Galactic Cowboys. >6) Lighthouse (This Tim Blake number always makes me cringe) Stretching beyond infinity...isn't this number on Live '79? If this is the one I'm thinking of I LOVE THIS SONG. Perhaps my taste in HW is unique, I dunno...gotta spin this disc tonight but I'm pretty sure his is the song I'm thinking of...judging by Rudy's puzzlement when I told him I liked it I may be a minority of one. JS>King Biscuit does, I believe, have a website, but I don't have the URL. I believe they need to work out copyright stuff with Sony/Columbia to release the BOC stuff that's "in the vaults" -- it seems that I queried them about this several months ago and that was the response they gave me. There are several excellent recordings that would be very cool to have on CD. Recently got a tape with four songs on it that were part of a King Biscuit broadcast. Now this is very hard for me to say, I MEAN REALLY HARD but...the version of D&S led by (gulp) Eric is (gulp...ahem...choke, choke) quite good. Alright already sucker rox. Damn never thought I'd say that...took guts for sure.... >And I suspect the sound of the boot is at least as *good* as the Castle release. I recorded songs from the cd and the same songs from the video, sounds a bit better from video but I guess you get mopre range when you do that... >Wasn't it originally recorded for broadcast for a hotel nearby in a closed circuit simulcast? Huh? I doubt that. BOC was big in the 70's as was Kiss, Rush Aerosmith et. al, but I don't think any of those bands ever filled every seat in that cave. Most concerts were general admission and the majority of the crowds would hit the floor in front of the stage. Bear in mind this monstrosity probably sat between 15-17 thousand in concert configuration. Only sell out I can recall is the first Zepplin Show there, that one was on the local news. Can't imagine why they would want to broadcast it when it wasn't sold out. Theo, your still a Lucky Duck! L8er lil ab obcd - "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 17:07:00 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:07:00 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > What about the HIDEOUS "Dealing with the Devil"???? Does this not give new >meaning to the word SUX? > Troy Don't knock dealing with the devil. It's GREAT!!!! I mean that. There again I'm a huge blues fan as well as Hawkwind fan so I suppose I would say that but no I really like it and the harmonica in to and slide. only complaint I have is that it is too short. If it had some more solos then wow it would be even better than it already is. Haven't heard the original jet but I'm sure it's better, being sonny Boyd himself + me liking black peoples voices in blues more than whites. Not saying white people are no good just prefer on the whole the sound most blacks make. IMHO of course. But that songs is still great regardless. Which I so suppose proves that every related Hawkwind and Hawkwind song will be liked by someone somewhere. Timmy Langner From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 18 17:45:51 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:45:51 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >> Are there 3 bad HW tunes? I can't think of more than one or two. And >> some people seem to like DITJ :) > >Wings >Techno Tropic Zone Exists >Good Evening I'll second "TTZE". hmmmm. I don't want to pick on "IITBOTFTBD" too much, so what else.... I'll have to go with Nuclear Toy and Turner Point... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however is Duchy of Silverwater = to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 17:46:34 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:46:34 GMT Subject: HW: Items for sale/trade (Forward) Message-ID: Jon Browne said: >>What songs are on the Area S4? >Alien (I AM) Roswell edit >Death Treap >Wastelands >Are you Losing Your Mind? > Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but the 12" vinyl version also contained Sputnik Stan, after Alien (I AM) Roswell edit. This was not on the CD so I bought the 12" but wanted that anyway. When I first got the album I played it at the speed of 45 because that's what it said. I then thought how rubbish sputnik Stan was compared to the live tapes I have and I didn't like the fast dancey type drumming. After playing it I then thought may be it should be at 33 1/3 which of course it should have been just Hawkwind deciding to confuse me. Cost me 4.99UKP which I thought was a bit steep but worth it for the cover alone. Much better on that 12" than on the CD which I have since seen going for 5UKP second hand not worth it. But I'll buy it one day to be a compleist >All are on Alien 4 and thus only necessary for people like me. I must be like you then. Besides I buy singles because they are cheaper and when I can afford it I then buy the albums, (second hand if going). I just got the new hawk album. It was 1 out of an amazing 8 copies!!!!, in our local our price. I just hope an amazing 7 people bought the rest!!!. However out of all of them I got the one which jumps in places :((. It likes to jump around 2mins into the first song so that I can an annoying voice over the track. Any one know whose voice it is? And then it jumps where it fells like it . Sometimes in not such good songs and other times in reptiod visions :((( The best track on the album. Timmy Langner From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 18 18:05:16 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:05:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there Message-ID: >From rmp, a slightly abridged version. Warning: deep themes like females, religion and drugs. LET IT BE KNOWN: On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:41:39 -0600, lgumaer at ibm.net wrote: >So you want some definitions to these different terms, well, I am not an >expert, but I listen to "alternative" music forms, and I think I >understand what most of these terms mean, and can give examples on most. >Well, here goes: > >Death Metal: A variation of Thrash Metal, which is soley devoted to >lifting up Satan and empowering enemies of the Christians. The album >covers usually depict satanic rituals or symbols, and show the members >wearing paint that make them look horrible and menacing. The lyrics are >usually pretty intelligent, but are usually indecipherable by most. Most >of these bands seem to come from Europe, there are not as many American >bands who have decided to write music meant soley to worship Satan, but >there are a few. Examples: Deicide, Godkiller, Death, Sabbat, Cradle of >Filth etc.. > >Black Metal: A variation of Thrash Metal, but does not usually talk about >Satan directly, just about really disgusting and awful things like >necrophilia, corpse molestation, decapitation, maggots spilling out of >ones mouth etc. Other than that, I believe it is similiar to Death Metal. >Example: Cannibal Corpse > >Hardcore- "Hardcore" as far as I understand tends to relate to what one of >my friends refers to as "Holy Black Death Metal" I suppose that the more >hardcore something is the more it goes into darkness, evil, violence, >immorality, occultism, thrashier metal, obscene lyrics, darker sounding >singing (rasping, shouting, chanting) > >Gothic- This is a musical equivalent of Black Metal for females, it is an >off-shoot of Modern Rock, and tends to emphasize dark, overly black lyrics >and musical tones. It borrows from an Edgar Allan Poeish, victorian style >with an emphasis on graphic design, extremly dark themes and the color >black. >Modern Rock: One of the fathers to today's so-called "alternative" music >industry. A favorite of intellectual females. Characterized by typically >intellectual lyrics, emotionally depressing melodies and fairly complex >arrangements. AND NOW THE PUNCHLINE: >Acid Rock- Acid Rock is rock that is produced exclusively to be listened >to while on Acid(LSD), It is usually unintelligible to the normal >listener, and can range from random tones to a single buzzing noise with >random whisperings in the background. As far as I know it is currently >illegal to produce such music. Examples: Pink Floyd. The albums they >produced for this effect are not currently produced and are illegal to >own and are exclusively to be listened to while on Acid(LSD). Acid Rock can range from random tones to a single buzzing buzzing buzzing buzzing buzzing noise with random whisperings in the background. It is usually unintelligibible to the normally unintelligible unintelligible to the normal normal normal normal normal listener, and can range from random tones to a single buzzing noise buzzing buzzing buzzing buzzing buzzing noise noise buzzing noise with random random random random whisperings in the background. As far as I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know it is currently illegal illegal illegal illegal illegal illegal illegal to produce such music. Examples: Pink Floyd produced for this effect are not currently produced and are illegal to buzz. Acid Rock- Acid Rock - Acid Rock- Acid Rock- Acid Acid Acid Acid Rock is rock that is produced exclusively to be listened >to while on Acid(LSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLS DLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSD LSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDL SDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSDLSD), It is unusually unintelligibly intelligible intelligible intelligible intelligible unintelligible to the normal normalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormalnormal >listener, and can range from random tonestonestonestonestonestonestonestonestonestonestones to a single buzzing noise random noisenoisenoisenoisenoisenoise with >random whisperings in the background whisperings in the background whisperings in the background. As far as I know it is currently >illegal to produce such music. The albums they >produced for this effect are not currently produced and are illegal to >own rock that is produced exclusively to be listened >to while on AcidAcidAcidAcidAcidAcidAcid(LSD), I know it is currently >illegal buzzing noise with >random whisperings in the background. As far as I know it is currently The albums they produced for this effect are not currently produced and are illegal to own Acid Rock- Acid Rock is rock that is produced exclusively to be listened to while on Acid(LSD), It is unusually unintelligible to the normal >listener, and can range from random tones to a single buzzing noise with >random whisperings in the background. As far as I know it is currently >illegal to produce such music. Examples: Pink Floyd produced for this effect are not currently produced and are illegal to >own unintelligible normal random tones to a single buzzing noise with >random whisperings in the background. As far as I know it is currently >illegal to produce such music. Examples: Pink Floyd produced for this effect are not currently produced not currently producednot curren tlyp roduce dnotcu r rently producednot currentl yprod ucednot currently produc ednotcurre ntly produc ednotcur re ntly prod uced an dareil legal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal to >own> illegal ------ Sorry, just felt like editing in the facts. Christian From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 18:13:04 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:13:04 GMT Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) Message-ID: > >Errrmmm does it really matter what the artwork on the cover looks like ? >Surely its the music that's important ? > >Richard, Of course but I love the warriro on the edge of time shield regardless of the music. You could also argue why frame a painting after all it's the painting with is importnat. However a fram can inhanse the picture and I feel so an album picture cover can inhense an album. I'm more likely to want toe htoerginal ISOS and the roginal warriros on the edge of time albums rtahegr than CD reissues simply becuase of the artwork and it's size! Any way they need something to attract the buyers. But I doubt it will be the current realsie that does that. I thought hawkwind were in control there. They own EBS so wy not do a good cover on THEIR EBS. Unless Alan Davy said no. He still runs/owns part of it doesn't he? Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 19:01:38 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:01:38 GMT Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) Message-ID: >Absolutley 100% essential. 100% > >but you knew that already, didn't you? >-- >Jon Browne But at 19.99UKP? No wonder people buy bootlegs rather than offical realises but yeah I'll buy it one day when it's half the price (probably second hand) or after chirstmas if I'm luckly enough to have some more spending money. Can any one psot some timings of the songs? I'm interested to see how long brainstorm was in 74, and how long other tracks were etc. Compear them to pervious times. like 11min brainstorm at Space ritual album (vol. II version) whihc is great length and what todays brainstorm lacks, length. Timmy Langner From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 18 10:48:04 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:48:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man 1999 party In-Reply-To: <01BCF407.AB7EE5E0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >Just browsing CDZone, looking for this Penarth record, saw this under "Man": > >?11.86 1999 Tour Party PNTVP112CD > 7 Nov 1997 >Hmm...! Whoopeeee!!!!!!!! >Also > >?5.55 (CD single) Greasy Truckers Party PNTVP104CD >Hmmmm...!!! Might have to go shopping.... Since I have the "Greasy Truckers Party" on the original vinyl, That can wait (unless there're extra goodies on it..... Still waiting for a reissue of Christmas at the Patti (my original double 10" got nicked years ago & I'm still lusting for blood!!!!!) ChrisW ObCD: Colosseum II/Strange New Flesh From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 18 10:59:25 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:59:25 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <4377057.3088864409@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:53 18/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >On tis 18 nov 1997 15.25 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > >> I think it's time to take our message to the streets. >> Death To Unbelievers! > > "I am the Great Cornholio! You have awakened my bunghole! And now you >must pay! The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers!" > >heh heh yeah, >Carl > Sounds painful, I think some of your own blood must be flowing.... ChrisW (Retired revolutionary) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 18 11:01:35 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:01:35 +0000 Subject: Live 76 Vinyl In-Reply-To: <199711181833.NAA23682@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John wrote: >>>for it was something that is done (or was done) at the venue, where the >>video footage was played back on a screen during the performance. > >>Wasn't it originally recorded for broadcast for a hotel nearby in a closed >circuit simulcast? > >That I have no idea. > >>>I believe that Albert may know more about this - at one time he mentioned >>here about suing someone over this. > >>I remember him saying how he didn't like the performance in general as not >being representative of BOC at that time. > But there's a crackin' short drum break to lead into ME262 ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 18 10:50:39 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:50:39 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711181126.LAA23039@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:26 18/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Chris Warburton writes: > >> someone wrote: >> >> >> VDGG/HW air forces LP >> >> Que? >> >> The two together? >> >> This sounds like one of my late adolescent fantasies - can someone >> enlighten me? > >1974 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship > [AFRTS 1974] > (The Hawkwind tracks were:) > Psychedelic Warlords > Wind of Change > Hall of the Mountain Grill > Paradox > >FoFP > So the Van der Graaf bit was a red herring then - shame... ChrisW From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 19:10:02 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:10:02 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >I didn't like Love In Space very much, apart from the middle bit on the live >album. Musically, it's very similar to Zarozinia. Lyrically, it's not HW. >William So Lyrically, what is hawkwind? Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 19:15:23 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:15:23 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >Wings is OK, I've caught myself singing before, it's really not too bad. Wings is a cool song. I loe the tune always did. and like the keybaords in it as well. >>Techno Tropic Zone Exists >Um, can't remember how this goes, OK I'll concede this one. techno tropic zones exist peraphs this one hsouldn't have. But then I did say ebfore I want all hawkwdin songs no matter how bad they are so I want htis one jsut the same >>Good Evening > >Top tune! Always liked this. In fact at the time it was a tune I'd play >to unbelievers. >Are you saying that Good Evening is not as good as Douglas In The >Jungle?! >Jon Browne Is that like Douglas in the jungle? I love the song. Think its great. Never heard Zeno Codex but hopefuly I will. I like war I surivied and lost chronicals live and hope that Sword of the east is good. As for mutation zone thats only okay but havery has a great voice in alsmot everything he does. Timmy Langner From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Nov 18 19:43:43 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:43:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Dealing With The Devil (was: Re: HW : Too long albums) In-Reply-To: <199711182207.WAA01554@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yeah, I totally agree. I like it too. Not only that, but 30 years on the Hawks are still dealing with him :) Thank God, Christian PS: I was even gonna put it at the very end of a chronological HW comp for someone, to bring it full circle back to the roots. But there was no room for the Devil..... > >Don't knock dealing with the devil. It's GREAT!!!! I mean that. There again >I'm a huge blues fan as well as Hawkwind fan so I suppose I would say that but >no I really like it and the harmonica in to and slide. only complaint I have >is that it is too short. If it had some more solos then wow it would be even >better than it already is. Haven't heard the original jet but I'm sure it's >better, being sonny Boyd himself + me liking black peoples voices in blues >more than whites. Not saying white people are no good just prefer on the whole >the sound most blacks make. IMHO of course. But that songs is still great >regardless. > >Which I so suppose proves that every related Hawkwind and Hawkwind song will >be liked by someone somewhere. > >Timmy Langner > > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 19:53:07 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:53:07 GMT Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:50:39 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > At 11:26 18/11/97 GMT, you wrote: > >Chris Warburton writes: > > > >> someone wrote: > >> > >> >> VDGG/HW air forces LP > >> > >> Que? > >> > >> The two together? > >> > >> This sounds like one of my late adolescent fantasies - can someone > >> enlighten me? > > > >1974 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship > > [AFRTS 1974] > > (The Hawkwind tracks were:) > > Psychedelic Warlords > > Wind of Change > > Hall of the Mountain Grill > > Paradox > > > >FoFP > > > So the Van der Graaf bit was a red herring then - shame... I guess a couple of wrong keys must have been pressed by accident! I think this is what should have been sent: 1977 Rock On {Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Generator, Swedish album on Philips} Damnation Alley Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Days of the Underground Kerb Crawler sadly there's no indication of what the VDGG tracks are but I asked Kenneth (The Moor) of Bishop Garden Records in Sweden if he had heard of it and wonderfully, (thank you, sir) he had seen it but it was a very long time ago! Apparently it has an unbelievably ugly cover and the only good thing about it are the stickers that come with it! I'll be happy just to have a sight of the album 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 18 20:01:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:01:16 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 00.01 +0000 "langner timothy" <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> wrote: >>Absolutley 100% essential. 100% >>but you knew that already, didn't you? > > But at 19.99UKP? No wonder people buy bootlegs rather than offical realises > but yeah I'll buy it one day when it's half the price (probably second hand) > or after chirstmas if I'm luckly enough to have some more spending money. Well, in Britain that's not too bad for a double-CD. Better if you get it at Our Price for 16 quid, instead of 20 :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Tue Nov 18 19:20:48 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:20:48 -0800 Subject: HW: Rarest Message-ID: Jill, I have two original Polish Postcards. They are both "Silver Machine" and are hard yellow plastic. I have numerous, 20 or so, of the new type. There are two types, some are on various colored flimsy plastic sheets in a clear plastic bag, with a computer(?) generated design, with HW and the song title. The other type is a actual postcard of various sights in Poland with the recording applied over it. Both of the newer types came out over the last three years. It seems the more that I bought the more my contact in Poland found, I think I was financing an entire record industry, although they were cheap, on the order of 5 or 6 dollars apiece. I finally gave up, and now I am just searching for the 1970's issues I don't have. John From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Tue Nov 18 19:46:44 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:46:44 -0800 Subject: HW: Rarest Message-ID: Brian Tawn told me there was only one copy of "Mind Journey" which he holds. Lord of Light/Born To Go is more commonly found mis-spelled, I'm still looking for one with light spelled correctly, anyone have one for sale?-Yeah, in my dreams!! I have two complete Hawkfan 12's, except one came without the record !? I didn't complain too much, it was cheap as a result. I do have a copy of the interview box set, Oh happy day when I got it too!! The extra track on TAT is by the Sugarcubes. I have a friend who works for the Armed Forces Radio Network, he tells me, much to my horror, that all AFRTS records were ordered smashed by the commands that held them when they switched over to CD, although some were retained for historical purposes. I hold out hope that I can find some of the very few that might have escaped this travesty. Occasionally one sees a few for sale at actions or in shops. I hope this answers some of the questions floating around. John From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Nov 18 19:37:48 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:48 +1100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: At 03:25 PM 18/11/97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >In article <3.0.1.16.19971118134455.399755ae at cygnus.newi.ac.uk>, Alun >Hughes writes >>I wonder how this sounds to >>a non-HW-fan - lumbering, shapeless, endless drivel I suppose, > >I think it's time to take our message to the streets. >Death To Unbelievers! >-- Yes!! Death to all infidels (in oil)! Troy >Jon Browne > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 18 20:49:21 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:49:21 -0500 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >>I didn't like Love In Space very much, apart from the middle bit on the live >>album. Musically, it's very similar to Zarozinia. Lyrically, it's not HW. >>William > >So Lyrically, what is hawkwind? undefined, but certainly NOT love-songs. i absolutely agree with the notion that the content of this song is nothing like what i'd expect from HW. also the new ep version is downright embarrassing. but the version they were doing circa 95-96 had a nice dreamy affect live. i think it sux without davey. the vocals between dave and alan made the song. still, its nice because it gets dave to sing. only my opinion of course. rj > >Timmy Langner > From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Nov 19 13:01:20 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:01:20 EST Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711190053.AAA27464@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from "J Strobridge" at Nov 19, 97 00:53:07 am Message-ID: Jill wrote: > I guess a couple of wrong keys must have been pressed by accident! > I think this is what should have been sent: > > 1977 Rock On > {Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Generator, Swedish album on Philips} > Damnation Alley > Quark, Strangeness, and Charm > Days of the Underground > Kerb Crawler > > sadly there's no indication of what the VDGG tracks are but I asked > Kenneth (The Moor) of Bishop Garden Records in Sweden if he had heard > of it and wonderfully, (thank you, sir) he had seen it but it was a > very long time ago! Apparently it has an unbelievably ugly cover and > the only good thing about it are the stickers that come with it! > I'll be happy just to have a sight of the album 8-) Wasnt there a picture of this album in one of the hawkfans?(hw14) or maybe it was the collectors guide book from the griffin warrior pack. regards Marty From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Nov 18 21:04:53 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:04:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Wishart Message-ID: ok, ok... not in THAT particular performance anyway... =) rj >In article <01bcf3c8$fc2abf80$9c2267cf at sprawl>, Ron Jennings > writes >>bridget never wore a tutu. that was one of alan davey's friends. >>rj >> >> > >Never? Hey, even *I've* worn a tutu onstage! Albeit over the top of the >spacesuit. (Reading Town Hall '86 with RDF and Culture Shock) >-- >Jon > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 19 00:18:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:18:33 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >I'll have to go with >Nuclear Toy and Turner Point... > I like all the funny farting noises in Turner Point. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Nov 19 00:24:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:24:33 +0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >>I didn't like Love In Space very much, apart from the middle bit on the live >>album. Musically, it's very similar to Zarozinia. Lyrically, it's not HW. >>William > >So Lyrically, what is hawkwind? > Love In Space, lyrically, is to much like a plain, ordinary love ballad, and doesn't seem to me like a HW song. It could quite easily have fitted into Whitney Houston's repertoire. William From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Nov 19 02:09:51 1997 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:09:51 -0600 Subject: In "light" of all the mail we've been sending . . . Message-ID: Thought everyone could appreciate this: Q: How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers. 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb. 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it there. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 18 18:53:42 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:53:42 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711190053.AAA27464@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jill wrote: >> >> >> VDGG/HW air forces LP >> >> >> >> Que? >> >> >> >> The two together? >> >> >--snip--< >> So the Van der Graaf bit was a red herring then - shame... > > >I guess a couple of wrong keys must have been pressed by accident! >I think this is what should have been sent: > >1977 Rock On > {Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Generator, Swedish album on Philips} > Damnation Alley > Quark, Strangeness, and Charm > Days of the Underground > Kerb Crawler > >sadly there's no indication of what the VDGG tracks are but I asked >Kenneth (The Moor) of Bishop Garden Records in Sweden if he had heard >of it and wonderfully, (thank you, sir) he had seen it but it was a >very long time ago! Apparently it has an unbelievably ugly cover and >the only good thing about it are the stickers that come with it! >I'll be happy just to have a sight of the album 8-) Thanks, I guess this means it's just some sort of promo/sampler album with no rarities on board... ChrisW From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Nov 19 03:03:33 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:03:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Eindhoven 18.11.1997 Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a short review from the HAWKWIND gig in Eindhoven, Effenaar on 18.11.1997 (Holland) only 160 KM from my hometown Lineup: Brock, Chadwick, Tree, Richards and Cpt. Rizz Playing time: 85 minutes (22:15h - 23:40h) Fans: 350 - 400 Track list: (same like during the UK gigs) - wheels - standing at the edge - assault & battery - golden void - hassan i sahba - space is their - hassan i sahba - pleasure phantasy - alchemy - love in space - aerospaceage inferno - sonic attac - blue skin - brainstorm - jam - brainstorm - raptoid vision Crum was not there because he has forgotten this gig (yes, its really true!). He'll be in Amsterdam today and in Bruxelles tomorrow. One of the best gigs I've ever seen (the BEST was Hammersmith Odeon on 16.05.1992). Very poor lightshow, only a handfull of green and red lights. In the 1st couple of minutes Jerrys guitar and Cpt. Rizz voice were mixed down. But after 2 or 3 songs you could hear the guitar very good. It was Jerrys best gig (I can compare with 11 tapes from this tour). Dave was as ever hiding behind his gear. The members were in a good mood. Daves and Rons voices were crystal clear!! Had the chance to talk with Richard Chadwick and Trevor Hughes. Trevor told me that he has asked Dave to do TIME FOR SALE during the next tour, and Dave said YES. Richard told me that his favorite gig during the UK tour was LEEDS and LONDON and during the short USA tour CHICAGO (I am still looking for the LEEDS tape!!!!!) A female fireeater appeared at the end of the show for 1 or 2 minutes on stage. Highlights during this evening: The middle parts of HASSAN, LOVE IN SPACE and RAPTOID VISION. And the complete AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO. The folks went wild!! The middle part of HASSAN was the best I've ever ever heard!!!!! Lots of guitar playing by Jerry All in all a VERY GOOD Hawkwind gig (a bit to loud) My ears are still whisteling. Looking forward to see them again very soon Bernhard From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 18 21:25:53 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:25:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: test... Message-ID: ...or just low traffic... - D "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Wed Nov 19 04:16:10 1997 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:16:10 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: What a coincidence. I got mine from exactly the same place last night. And I'm happy to agree with everyone, this album ROCKS ! Certainly a must have for any Hawkwind fans. Now I finally have an excuse to buy a personal CD player so I can listen to it on the train in the mornings.... Richard. Mark Edmonds wrote; >In article <199711171852.SAA20208 at camelot.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair >Macdonald writes > > > >I paid ?22.99 (Andy's Records, King's Lynn) > >Finally found it at Oxford Street Virgin Megathing for ?19.99. Spoke >with Tower Records yesterday, they were going to do it at ?21.99. >I'm going to take this one nice and slowly to savour each moment, this >sort of release only comes round once in a lifetime. Highlight so far >has to be Lemmy's bellowsome efforts in Sonic Attack, he was probably >making sure they could hear it the other side of the States! >Mark (A happy chappy this evening) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 04:45:59 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:45:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: more Swedish chefs (was: HW: the ICU CDrom!!!!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971118184118.00757f28@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971118184118.00757f28 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Some places you get a kebab and it's basically >a whole can of corn on top of fried cat topped with Thousand Island dressing mmmmmmmmmmMMMMMM!!! send me one! -- Jon Browne From manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 04:58:37 1997 From: manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK (Buckley) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:58:37 +0000 Subject: HW - Rarest? In-Reply-To: <199711190201.NAA08163@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: i`ve got alans copy of live chronicles tacken from the master tape with all the moorcock vocals missing from the vinal version ,they only took five copyies of at the time ;how does this differ from the cd?. Simon and Caroline Buckley - manubrium at manubrium.demon.co.uk ~ If in doubt, improvise. ~ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 19 05:32:15 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:32:15 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man 1999 party Message-ID: ChrisW said > Still waiting for a > reissue of Christmas at the Patti (my original double 10" got nicked years > ago & I'm still lusting for blood!!!!!) I think they had that listed too...! I exercised restraint (!) and just ordered: >1 Audio CD Destroy All Monsters Bored #9.15 CDMRED94 >1 Audio CD Man 1999 Tour Party #11.86 PNTVP112CD >1 CD Single Man Greasy Truckers Party #5.55 PNTVP104CD (The Destroy All Monsters features Ron Asheton, and "November 22, 1963"...) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 19 06:09:56 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:09:56 -0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) Message-ID: > Any way they need something to attract the buyers. But I doubt it will be > the > current realsie that does that. Well, maybe they were keen on keeping the price low - Virgin had it for 12.49, for instance, and it was in the 2 for 22 at HMV - because low prices can "attract the buyers" too? Maybe after trying fancy digipaks on _Alien 4_ and _Love in Space_, they thought they'd have a go at a "no-frills" package at a lower price this time? _1999 Party_ comes in a smashing package, but in your other post you say that it's too expensive for you... there's no pleasing some people! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 19 08:00:46 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:00:46 +1000 Subject: Good HW songs/Live 76 and Vinyl Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: BREVARD, Adrian R. Received: 18 Nov 97 13:30 > >6) Lighthouse (This Tim Blake number always makes me cringe) > > Stretching beyond infinity...isn't this number on Live '79? If this is the > one I'm thinking of I LOVE THIS SONG. Perhaps my taste in HW is unique, I > dunno...gotta spin this disc tonight but I'm pretty sure his is the song I'm > thinking of...judging by Rudy's puzzlement when I told him I liked it I may > be a minority of one. Make that a minority of two ... I reckon it's great as well ... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 19 08:00:46 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:00:46 +1000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: M S Wright Received: 18 Nov 97 19:32 > What I would like to say is that I am impressed with someone in the > Hawkwind camp. For the first time in ages there appears to be some > promotion behind a new HW album. I have to agree to some extent based on my contact with EMI Australia regarding this CD. While it is not being locally released down under (that may change in a week if Dave signs the dotted line for the tour ...), the sales Rep at the EMI office new *exactly* what CD I was talking about when I rang. As soon as I mentioned HW, he started telling me about it, the packaging etc. At first I thought he must have been something of a fan, but then he asked me what their music was like! Considering it's only available on import here, EMI seem to be keeping their people (& therefore their customers) well and truly aware of it's release! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 19 08:00:47 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:00:47 +1000 Subject: OFF: test... Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: Daniel Wikdahl Received: 19 Nov 97 3:25 > ...or just low traffic... Low traffic! What galaxy are you in???? > - D Oh .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 07:31:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:31:00 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Alun Hughes' mail of Tue, 18 Nov 97 08:45 -0500 Message-ID: Well, y'all made such a fuss about this, and I needed cheering up at work, so I stopped off at Our Price this morning and bought it. It cheered me up. It's a worthy addition to the EMI remasters. The start is so-so -- a Moorcock fantasy piece leading into Brainbox Pollution. I'm glad to have a live version of this track, but it's not a galaxy shaker. Then we have It's So Easy, which I've always liked. It starts as "lumbering, shapeless, endless drivel" (to quote Alun), but comes together until it's "just awesome" (to quote Alun again). Better still, it's followed by You Know You're Only Dreaming, which is the highlight of the album for me. Then there's some more Moorcock drivel, a good version of Brainstorm (particularly the middle section), and a passable version of Seven By Seven (with a different ending from the Space Ritual version). The second CD begins with The Watcher, which is OK, followed by the Awakening, which has undergone some rampant inflation. The original poem began "I would rather the firestorms of atmospheres than this cruel descent from a hundred years of dreams ..." -- because they're a "clear century of space away from Earth". On The Space Ritual, Bob (?) increased this to "a thousand years of dreams". Now Nik, with his customary restraint, has increased this to "a million years ...". This is followed by tracks from HotMG, of which the best is You'd Better Believe It. I found The Psychedelic Warlords and D-Rider a bit disappointing; the studio versions are better. Still, it's good to have live versions of them. The album finished with Sonic Attack, Masters Of The Universe, and Welcome To The Future, all of which are fairly normal. Simon House's violin is clearly audible on It's So Easy and You'd Better Believe It, and is probably what makes these tracks stand out for me. I suspect he's playing keyboards on some other tracks -- it certainly sounds like him (e.g. on The Watcher). Lemmy does the main vocal for Welcome To The Future. The packaging isn't as pretty as the digipacks of the remasters, but is more practical. They probably made the right choice, although I personally would have preferred a digipack. My remasters tend to sit on the shelf and hardly ever get played, although I'm happy to own them. I expect this album will join them. If you play the early albums, then this one is essential. Even if you don't, it's well worth a listen. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 04:57:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:57:20 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199711190001.AAA08145@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711190001.AAA08145 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >But at 19.99UKP? No wonder people buy bootlegs rather than offical realises >but yeah I'll buy it one day when it's half the price (probably second hand) >or after chirstmas if I'm luckly enough to have some more spending money. Yes, at 19.99! That's great value for such an excellant album. This isn't some "play once and forget" thing! Easily worth, what, 3 or 4 hours wages? I call that a bargain (The best I ever HADDDDDDDDDDD!!!!! - sorry, Who reference slipped out) -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 19 07:21:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:21:29 EDT Subject: tBS Elmira gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone [John the FAQ-man?] know if Fridays tBS gig is going down as scheduled? Anyone know the address for the venue? It's a long drive for me, and they're predicting some shitty weather, so I'd rather not make the trip just for the scenery. [It'll be dark anyway!] And what do I have to do to induce some of the faithful gathered here to attend this potentially memorable show? Brian, you game? It can't be more than, what a 2 hour drive for ya... From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 19 08:25:09 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:25:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: The swords in icelandic Message-ID: I've taken a quick course in icelandic just to help Carl with his problems: "Sverd hinna m?ttugu sefur ekki." mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Nov 19 09:13:48 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:13:48 -0500 Subject: tBS Elmira gig Message-ID: > Theo said: > >And what do I have to do to induce some of the faithful gathered here > >to attend this potentially memorable show? Brian, you game? It > >can't be more than, what a 2 hour drive for ya... > > I would, but I've got a prior engagement. That's why I > decided to go to the Potsdam show instead. It was > a longer drive, but Jason goes to school there, and > I've known him since elementary school, so I had a > place to crash afterwards. > > You're gonna love the show. They've gotten tighter > since the trip to the West coast, and catching > The Brain Surgeons in a packed house is a lot > more fun than being in an empty show because the > club didn't do any promoting... > > Have a great time! > Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2295 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Nov 19 09:33:24 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:33:24 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Peter Bohovesky solo album Message-ID: > There's been some good things said about this album on the > list so far, so I thought I'd whip up a full blown review. > > We all know Peter Bohovesky from his guitar work in The Brain > Surgeons. Or > at least we thought we did. The absurdity of "Donkey Show" was only > the > knob on the fence post compared to what he wafts our way in his new, > eponomous solo album- A piece of pure puberty painstakingly warped > into a > sonic hormone bonanza. > > All you men, think back to your teenage years. If you were like me, > your > life revolved around dreams of being a rock star and getting laid (not > necessarily in that order.) I believe Peter's album speaks to those > dreams, and lets us know that, hey, we haven't changed at all since > then. > Sometimes it takes a pint or two to bring it out, or sometimes it just > takes a song called "Tanked Up and Horny." > > Women can find all sorts of male stupidity to laugh at, and maybe even > figure out why their significant others do the odd things they do. > There's > plenty of real-life relationship situations that you might relate to. > And if all > else fails, the music is as refined as the lyrics are crude. > > This album features some great guitar playing and singing from Peter. > The harmonies are a cross between Weird Al, The Everly Bros., Moxy > Fruvous, and Rock-a-pella. In other words, they're unique and well > done. > The guitar work is familiar to Brain Surgeons fans as the > non-traditional > almost Fripp-like sounds from songs like "Everything is Blue" and of > course "Donkey Show." Plenty of more traditional licks also find > their > way into most of the songs to balance it all out. > > The production and mix on the whole album is really clean. It suits > the > vocals and guitar sound well. The only place where it falls through > is in > "Donkey Show", which is too thin sounding when compared to the Box > of Hammers version and the rest of the songs on the solo album. > > Some of the highlights of _Peter Bohovesky_ include the original > version of > "Donkey Show" with a third verse not heard on Box of Hammers. If > there was > any mystery about what this song describes, you won't be wondering any > longer. This leads into one of the most innovative, and fun, songs on > the > album, "Tourette's Syndrome." Robert Fripp himself would approve of a > song > like this- written in 3,4,5,6 and 7 time. "Tanked Up and Horny" > contains a > sample from one of the funniest movies of all time, and backs it up > with > killer riffs and dead-on lyrics. There were only 2 or 3 songs that > weren't > up to the quality of the rest. "Chicken Today" and "No Meat" are > mediocre > rockers. Even so, I've been listening to the entire album without > skipping any tracks. Other standouts finish off the album, including > the > tastefully disgusting "Grandma's Vagina" with its horn section > straight out > of a late '70s Chicago record, and the two serious songs on the album: > "Nothing Good" and "Let Go." I once had a tape of a college acoustic > trio > called "Trinity." Their music was mellow and mostly disposable, > except for > one track, which I saved before I erased everything else. I play it > every > once in awhile sitting in my room with the lights dimmed. It's an > honest > song that might have come from an open mic night at a lonely coffee > shop. > "Nothing Good" is like that song, only more moving and engaging. > > If you're still wondering if this album will steal time from Blue > Oyster > Cult, or Hawkwind in your CD player, I should tell you that Mr. Albert > Bouchard is the drummer on 7 of the 18 tracks. Add to that a legion > of > talented musicians you've never heard of and arrangements that were > years > in the making. So what's wrong with being a kid again for 40 minutes? > Listen to _Peter Bohovesky_ and find your pichones. > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 10:48:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:48:15 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 11.09 +0000 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > _1999 Party_ comes in a smashing package, but in your other post you say that > it's too expensive for you... there's no pleasing some people! :) Having paid 16 quid for _1999_, and considering the righteous packaging, I figure that has to be a good deal--almost to *US* standards! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 10:57:50 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:57:50 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 12.31 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > My remasters tend to sit on the shelf and hardly ever get played, although > I'm happy to own them. I expect this album will join them. If you play > the early albums, then this one is essential. Even if you don't, it's > well worth a listen. Yet more evidence for the Theory of Hawkfan Bipolarity :) My remasters sit within arms reach on my desk and get played lots :) I expect _1999_ to join them :) Since only a fraction of my albums, including HW, are with me, it's interesting for me to note what I have. All remasters, a Calvert years comp, and then the 90s albums (minus IITBOTFTBD and TBT). Actually, I think I've got _Live Chronicles_ here somewhere. On the spinoff side, I've got Uncle Nik's _Past or Future_ and the _Anubian Lights_ CD (the only ambientish album I've every reall warmed to). From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some compilations of early material, and then all the albums from _1916_ on (minus the dreadful _March or Die_). I need to get th Motorhead remasters once I've got some cash! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Nov 19 12:03:32 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:03:32 -0600 Subject: Daevid Allen at the Knitting Factory 11/18/97 - report Message-ID: [This is a courtesy copy of an article posted to Usenet via Deja News] Ah, what a pleasant evening. First of all I scored HAWKWIND - Palace Springs (is it a bootleg? The names of the tracks are somewhat humourous...Void of Golden Light, Lives of Great Men etc.) CD for $8.99 AND Pinkwind/HawkFairies Purple Haze for $6.99 in a used CD store in St. Marks Place. On to the venue, reached the Knitting Factory and there are about fifty people waiting in the small, dark recesses of the room (which looks very industrial, pipes and concrete pillars and so on). Daevid Allen appears, charming, witty, charismatic and er...old? I haven't seen him perform for at least ten years and in that time he has acquired the 'Elder Statesman of SpaceRock' look, snowy white hair, skimpy white beard, a little frail, more the Pot-Head Pixie than ever before. He packs an acoustic guitar and plays a whole set of acoustic songs performed in a folky style, but with drones, vocal embellishments and chord changes that do occasionally invoke vintage Gong, a taste here and there of Soft Machine, a hint of his work with Euterpe. Opening with a word-salad, apparently improv song, he warmed up the crowd with quite amazing verbal and rhymester dexterity. He sings about his ex-lady who left him for a rich Australian dude (Gilli?), moves on quickyl to another song about age and aging, where he names every part of himself as newly aged, except his genitalia, which, after turning his back to the audience and apparently examining it, he declares 'has always been old'. He then launches into a very animated performance poem about how he hates sex because it somehow is never as good as his I-magination, which had its extremely funny, guffawing out loud from the audience moments. The crowd had swelled to about sixty persons by now, excepting those in the balcony, whose numbers I could not see. Time for more beer, a very worthy Boddingtons. He finished off with 'I am a Child of the Universe' in which he seemed to sing 'A part of every Woman, A part of every Man', which rollocked along as well as a lone Pixie balladeer can. All in all a vastly entertaining set from the man who helped expand the awareness of many, and who innovated, originated, experimented and pushed the boundaries of SpaceRock, in those far-off early days when the genre was newborn. Then, the interval, before Daevid (you gotta respect someone with a Greek AE in their first name!) would play again, with a local NYC musician called Kramer. Ah! what an interval! little did I know, but the crowd was packed with the SpaceRock veterans of Strange Daze 97! and during this interval we all chatted, quaffed fine beverages and mulled over with teary eyes that seminal SpaceRock event that was Strange Daze. A hello to James O'Keefe (Veteran Cosmic Rocker and NetHawks T bearer), Robert, the charming Bonnie, Scott, fellow Bass-guitarist Thom "Sasquatch" from Finally Balanced, and of course, the ubiquitous Adam Strider and Erin. My apologies to those whose names now elude me. Next, NYC musician Kramer, with Daevid on Gliss guitar (beautiful and more divinely refined than ever) and vocal. I'd never heard Kramer before, but when they played John Lennons "Working Class Hero" and Leonard Cohens "Suzanne", your intrepid SpaceRock reporter retreated to the upstairs Front-of-House bar. Stirling renditions both, but not my vessel of brownian-motion brew. In Space we Trust, Marc -- WARP to SPACEROCK CENTRAL: featuring the exotic music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Nov 19 12:07:23 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:07:23 -0600 Subject: New Golden Void updates Message-ID: The Golden Void pages have been updated again. Many thanks to Bernhard and Timothy for the gig information. I updated the gig information, added a blurb on Underground Zero, and added some new information to the timeline for 1997. The main page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ The updates are indexed through the What's New page: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/whatsnew.html Frank ObCD: Ministry - The Land of Rape and Honey -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 The Feynman problem solving algorithm: You write down the problem. You think very hard. Then you write down the answer. -- Murray Gell-Mann From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 12:10:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:10:00 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's mail of Wed, 19 Nov 97 15:57 +0000 Message-ID: On 19 Nov 15:57, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > On 19 nov 1997 12.31 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > > My remasters tend to sit on the shelf and hardly ever get played, > although > > I'm happy to own them. I expect this album will join them. If you play > > the early albums, then this one is essential. Even if you don't, it's > > well worth a listen. > > Yet more evidence for the Theory of Hawkfan Bipolarity :) > > My remasters sit within arms reach on my desk and get played lots :) I > expect _1999_ to join them :) Ah, well you're just a young scrap of a thing ;-). I've known the old albums for so many decades that I don't need to play them any more. I can conjure a note-perfect rendition of the entirety of HotMG in my head :-). > Since only a fraction of my albums, including HW, are with me, it's > interesting for me to note what I have. All remasters, a Calvert years > comp, and then the 90s albums (minus IITBOTFTBD and TBT). Actually, I > think I've got _Live Chronicles_ here somewhere. Not such good evidence for the theory of Hawkfan bipolarity, then. The albums I play the most are the 90's albums (excluding Space Bandits), plus Live Chronicles. (Also the two studio Spiral Realms albums). Albums I play occasionally include HotMG (OK, so that's a remaster), QS&C, PXR5, TIH:DNP and XC. (Also the Anubian Lights album). Very occasionally I'll dig out one of the others. Seriously, I think my preference for the newer albums is largely to do with familiarity. It's not that I don't like the UA years stuff; it's just such a well-trodden path for me that it's not exciting any more. It's the same reason I really liked hearing SteppenWolf and Aerospaceage Inferno live, but couldn't get excited about Brainstorm and Ejection. Oh sod it, pass me the walking frame! "I've got, a zimmer machine!". > On the spinoff side, I've got Uncle Nik's _Past or Future_ I don't think that much of this. It's got its good moments, but it's also got its bad moments (like Nik's voice on D-Rider). > From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some > compilations of early material, I have just a tape of No Sleep Til Hammersmith, which has got all the good early stuff on. I don't really know his later stuff. I got 1916 out of the library, but wasn't impressed. > Cheers, > Carl Dave. > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 12:24:08 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:24:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: The swords in icelandic Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 14.25 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I've taken a quick course in icelandic just to help Carl with his problems: True Hawkfan dedication knows no limits! > "Sverd hinna m?ttugu sefur ekki." Not "Sverdid"? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 19 12:26:58 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:26:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: The swords in icelandic Message-ID: At 05:24 PM 11/19/97 +0000, Carl wrote: >On ons 19 nov 1997 14.25 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: >> I've taken a quick course in icelandic just to help Carl with his problems: > > True Hawkfan dedication knows no limits! > >> "Sverd hinna m?ttugu sefur ekki." > > Not "Sverdid"? > Sverdid... hmm... I got to ask my teacher about this... I'll be back with more information tomorrow... -Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 12:26:15 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <199711191231.MAA06874@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: >It starts as "lumbering, shapeless, endless drivel" (to quote Alun), >but comes together until it's "just awesome" (to quote Alun again). Hey, I think it's *all* awesome, but I'm just biased. It's just that I sometimes wonder what this stuff sounds like to unbelievers ... I like the unpolished sound on _1999 Party_ - the production on _Space Ritual_ undoubtedly made the performances sound better than they "really" were, but this is just good, honest blanga. The duff bits - Nik's appalling vocals on D-Rider, for example - just make it more charming. It's a good job this got released *after* _Distant Horizons_ and not before, because _DH_ mightn't have got much of a look in. Not that it's bad (except for Waimea Canyon Drive) but to us old-timers it's not the same, is it? Mind you, I do like "Batman"^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"Phetamine Street" ... Alun From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 12:41:35 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:41:35 +0000 Subject: HW on call (was Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup?) Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 17.10 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > On 19 Nov 15:57, Carl E. Anderson wrote: >> My remasters sit within arms reach on my desk and get played lots :) I >> expect _1999_ to join them :) > > Ah, well you're just a young scrap of a thing ;-). Guilty :) > I've known the old > albums for so many decades that I don't need to play them any more. > I can conjure a note-perfect rendition of the entirety of HotMG in my > head :-). Well, I can hum pretty much all the bass part from "Orgone Accumulator" :) > Not such good evidence for the theory of Hawkfan bipolarity, then. > The albums I play the most are the 90's albums (excluding Space Bandits), I keep forgetting that's a 90s album. I don't have it with either. > plus Live Chronicles. (Also the two studio Spiral Realms albums). I actually have the first one here, I think. > Seriously, I think my preference for the newer albums is largely to > do with familiarity. Well, really my favorite period for HW after the UA years is post-Space Bandits. I love Palace Springs and the rockier tracks on Electric Teepee. And California Brainstorm. And some of the raging live tapes from the early 90s. I like the Tree-period stuff pretty well so far, but don't like Dave fading into the background. You could really hear his guitar right out there in the live material from about 92 or so! > It's the same reason I really liked hearing SteppenWolf > and Aerospaceage Inferno live, but couldn't get excited about > Brainstorm and Ejection. I like a lot of the material from the Calvert years, but find I often like it better done by later lineups. The Calvert-era lineups often tended to lack both punch _and_ spaceiness, IMO. >> On the spinoff side, I've got Uncle Nik's _Past or Future_ > > I don't think that much of this. It's got its good moments, but > it's also got its bad moments (like Nik's voice on D-Rider). Nik's voice dipped below the passable some time ago :) I like it better than the first Nikwind CD, but now that I have _1999_ I may send it back to the warehouse (ooo, except for the cool "Lord of the Hornets" ....) > I have just a tape of No Sleep Til Hammersmith, which has got all the > good early stuff on. I don't really know his later stuff. I got 1916 > out of the library, but wasn't impressed. The EQ was not good on 1916, but I like the material. I really like the recent Motorhead stuff quite well (Beats the hell out of the recent Metallica stuff, anyway :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 12:44:09 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:44:09 +0000 Subject: Daevid Allen at the Knitting Factory 11/18/97 - report Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 11.03 -0600 "Marc Power" wrote: > Ah, what a pleasant evening. First of all I scored HAWKWIND - Palace > Springs (is it a bootleg? The names of the tracks are somewhat > humourous...Void of Golden Light, Lives of Great Men etc.) CD for $8.99 No, it's official. Those are either screw-ups or Brock trolling for royalties :) Great album though--one of my favorites. A nice combination of blanga rock with the spacey ethic. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 13:00:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:47 +0000 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... Message-ID: On ons 19 nov 1997 12.26 -0500 "Alun Hughes" wrote: > It's a good job this got released *after* _Distant Horizons_ and not > before, because _DH_ mightn't have got much of a look in. Not that it's > bad (except for Waimea Canyon Drive) but to us old-timers it's not the > same, is it? Mind you, I do like "Batman"^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"Phetamine > Street" ... DH ain't bad, but I don't think its high points reach the high points of ET. Heck, I think Sputnik Stan and Alien I Am are probably better than anything on DH. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 13:03:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:03:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: The swords in icelandic Message-ID: --On ons 19 nov 1997 18.26 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > At 05:24 PM 11/19/97 +0000, Carl wrote: >>> "Sverd hinna m?ttugu sefur ekki." >> >> Not "Sverdid"? > > Sverdid... hmm... I got to ask my teacher about this... > I'll be back with more information tomorrow... I would think "sverdid" would mean "the sword" ... like svensk "sv?rdet". Unless, I suppose, it is idiomatic to say "sword" instead of "the sword" in an Icelandic phrase like this one. mvh, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 14:32:41 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:32:41 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party, Welcome vocals? In-Reply-To: <4746217.3088870547@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <4746217.3088870547 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > Speaking of which, who is doing the vocals on "Welcome to the Future". >To my not-necessarily-reliable ears, it didn't sound that much like Dave or >Nik ... is it Lemmy? > >Cheers, >Carl Initally it sounds like Dave and its in his register. But then it seems to meld into Lemmy. However, the intonation on the word Parade as in Self Police Parade (listen to the way the second half of the word is dropped in pitch) is very distinct and unique and I know I've heard that somewhere before - the spoken into to full version of CotBS. Can I suggest something crazy? That's Michael Moorcock. Mark From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 14:20:58 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:20:58 +0000 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) In-Reply-To: <7050539.3088943295@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <7050539.3088943295 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes >On ons 19 nov 1997 11.09 +0000 "Andrew Gilham" >wrote: >> _1999 Party_ comes in a smashing package, but in your other post you say >that >> it's too expensive for you... there's no pleasing some people! :) Even at 19.99, its a must have (You'd better believe it!). Stop standing on the edge, dithering about buying it, its so easy afterall, hand over the cash and get yourself that sonic attack. (Groan, there goes my stupid attempt at creative writing for this year). Couple of points about the album: Does anyone know if it is the complete show? Also, looking at the CD lengths, it is possible to split it up into 4 LP sides of 23'12", 25'32", 23'10" and 25'49" and whilst being slightly long for ideal LP quality, none the less means a 2LP transfer is possible. Wouldn't it be great to have that wonderful sleeve design LP size? Does anyone if there is any plan for an LP release? Also, what is the latest on the UA remasters appearing on vinyl? Ta, Mark From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 19 15:30:25 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:30:25 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron Message-ID: More chilling Hawkwind related predictions (along with Uncle Sam's on Mars, clones (Spirit Of The Age) etc. etc.). Report courtesy of Harper's magazine: --------------------------------------- ORGASMATRON (prediction) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= >From "Impacts of Robotic Sex," by Joel Snell, in the July/AUgust issue of of The Futurist: A magazine of forecasts, trends, and ideas about the future. Snell teaches social sciences at Kirkwood Community College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "Robots that provide sexual companionship are likely to become common in the future. Reportedly, prototype models have already been developed in Japan. THe future "secbots" will have humanlike features and will be soft and pliant. Sexbots will contaim vibrators to provide tactile stimulation and sound systems to provide love talk.They Could certainly alter human relations in any or all of the following ways: * Marriages may be destroyed by sexbots when husbands choose sex with the sexbots rather than with their wives. Jealous wives may destroy sexbot rivals and sue the manufacturer. * Heterosexual people may use same-sex sexbots to experiment with homosexual relations. Or gay people might use other-sex sexbots to experiment with heterosexuality. * Robotic sex may become addictive. Sexbots would always be available amd never say no. People may become obsessed by their ever faithful, ever pleasing sexbot lovers and rearranging their lives to accommodate their addictions. Eventually, support groups will likely form. * Technovirgins will emerge. AN entire generation of humans may grow up never having had sex with other humans. *Robotic sex may become "better" than human sex. Like many other technologies that have replaced human endeavors, robots may surpasss human technique; becasue they would be programmable, sexbots would meet each individual's needs. Will electonic and robotic sex reduce teen pregnacy ,sexually transmitted diseases, abortions, pedophilia, and prostitution? the jury is still out on these implications. However, boundaries , barriers , and beliefs will be challenged." ----------- "when we meet I'll program you"........ Christian "This smokin' Cowboy never rests - when he's the quickest draw in the West." - Dodge Deadline From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 16:09:06 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:09:06 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party, Welcome vocals? In-Reply-To: <8RoQ1KAZ7zc0EwfI@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 19 Nov 97 at 19:32, Mark Edmonds wrote: > In article <4746217.3088870547 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. > Anderson" writes > > > Speaking of which, who is doing the vocals on "Welcome to the Future". > >To my not-necessarily-reliable ears, it didn't sound that much like Dave or > >Nik ... is it Lemmy? > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > Initally it sounds like Dave and its in his register. But then it > seems to meld into Lemmy. However, the intonation on the word Parade > as in Self Police Parade (listen to the way the second half of the > word is dropped in pitch) is very distinct and unique and I know > I've heard that somewhere before - the spoken into to full version > of CotBS. Can I suggest something crazy? That's Michael Moorcock. > > Mark > I think it's fairly obviously Lemmy (and equally obviously Nik doing the echoey bits). Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 16:43:09 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:43:09 GMT Subject: HW: More thoughts on Distant Horizons (Forward) Message-ID: > Hassan I Sabha works IMO because (it has a great riff and) the lyrics >are a not terribly coherent rant :) > High Rise, on the other hand, tells a story to a certain degree It's a shame I havn't choosen a modal on cities at universty but I could still change my mind. However if I do get the chance to talk about them that is one song I would play to everyone. Probably a bootleg version as well!!! Because some of them are better althouhg the reisseud version if the best one I have at the moment. But it's on record so needs to be transfered to tpae beucase I can play it. Has any one else ever used hawkwind in talks or simlar? Timmy Langner From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 16:46:58 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:46:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Re: more 1999 Party (was Re:DH artwork ) In-Reply-To: <1h4S5CAawzc0Ew9u@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 19-Nov-97, Mark Edmonds wrote: >Couple of points about the album: >Does anyone know if it is the complete show? This struck me as well. Are the encores missing? Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 16:50:58 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:50:58 -0000 Subject: Good HW songs/Live 76 and Vinyl Message-ID: On 19-Nov-97, Sonique wrote: >Transmission details - >Source: BREVARD, Adrian R. >Received: 18 Nov 97 13:30 >> >6) Lighthouse (This Tim Blake number always makes me cringe) >> >> Stretching beyond infinity...isn't this number on Live '79? If this is the >> one I'm thinking of I LOVE THIS SONG. Perhaps my taste in HW is unique, I >> dunno...gotta spin this disc tonight but I'm pretty sure his is the song I'm >> thinking of...judging by Rudy's puzzlement when I told him I liked it I may >> be a minority of one. >Make that a minority of two ... I reckon it's great as well ... Three!! 'Lighthouse' is one of my fav. HW tracks ever (ok Blake track but it's the HW version). And to give this post a bit more content (but not much!), Kerrang to day had a mention of the new HW album being released. The 1999 Party. There has been no mention of the REAL new album yet. Looks like the old publicity machine is still at the repair shop. And... I picked up both new albums on Monday. This was the first time I had found a copy of DH anywhere! DH is good but not great. The packaging is attrocious. Is this another "the cover wasn't ready" senario? Also, going by the recording dates (jan-July 1997) is Alan on any of this? He official left way after january didn't he? 1999 Party is great. A must have as everybody has already said. Quite apt for it to cost 19.99 too! One thing I diid notice was that the first time I played both CD's it was on normal speakers and it was ok. Later I listened to them loud on headphones and they sounded 1000 times better, especially 1999. So to all those yet to buy, listen to them on phones and loud. It makes a world of difference. Best Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From johnv at NCWEB.COM Wed Nov 19 17:03:32 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:03:32 -0500 Subject: LOOKING FOR NEW HW IN CLEVELAND!!!! Message-ID: any one spot the 1999 or distant horiz in any local stores yet? From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 19 17:19:36 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:19:36 -0500 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron Message-ID: Wow, these Robots are going to run a lot of people out of work here in Vegas. Briz From boc-l at AMERCYB.COM Wed Nov 19 17:30:17 1997 From: boc-l at AMERCYB.COM (BOC/Hawkwind List) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:17 -0500 Subject: LOOKING FOR NEW HW IN CLEVELAND!!!! In-Reply-To: <199711192203.RAA21588@ds2.ncweb.com> Message-ID: I saw DH in My Generation in Rocky River yesterday for $25 (and left it there). Did not see 1999 though. On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, john villani wrote: > any one spot the 1999 or distant horiz in any local stores yet? > From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 19 09:20:53 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:20:53 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:57 19/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <199711190001.AAA08145 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy ><96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >>But at 19.99UKP? No wonder people buy bootlegs rather than offical realises >>but yeah I'll buy it one day when it's half the price (probably second hand) >>or after chirstmas if I'm luckly enough to have some more spending money. > >Yes, at 19.99! That's great value for such an excellant album. This >isn't some "play once and forget" thing! Easily worth, what, 3 or 4 >hours wages? I call that a bargain (The best I ever HADDDDDDDDDDD!!!!! - >sorry, Who reference slipped out) > >-- >Jon > I'll just have to get on the Magic Bus (*g*) to a better branch of Our Price than Kingston has (no sign of it there...) ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 19 09:36:28 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:36:28 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <199711191710.RAA08538@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: At 17:10 19/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >I can conjure a note-perfect rendition of the entirety of HotMG in my >head :-). I can do that with VdGG's Pawn Hearts & H to He... > >> From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some >> compilations of early material, > >I have just a tape of No Sleep Til Hammersmith, which has got all the >good early stuff on. I don't really know his later stuff. I got 1916 >out of the library, but wasn't impressed. > I mostly survive on "No Sleep At All" (in more ways than one *g*), but "Hammersmith" is on my (endless) "wants" list. And of course, there are the early 12" single (HUGE *G*) ChrisW From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 15:14:44 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:14:44 +0000 Subject: BOTH: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) In-Reply-To: <199711181353.IAA02481@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: >> That was something that CD's will never do as well- big albums packages, >>with big pictures you could look at without your glasses. When Brian Eno's "Thursday Afternoon" came out, it was hyped a little for being the first rock/pop arena album specifically designed for the CD medium. I suppose that means that the tapes were left to loop for 60 minutes rather than 20. Anyway, to capitalise further on this, the sleeve notes also stated that the cover art was actually reproduced life size!!! Sort of pretentious in my view. Thank god the CD wasn't around when Space Ritual came out! Mark From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Nov 19 18:11:35 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:11:35 -0500 Subject: HW Lineup Message-ID: << No, that's Nik. It's Dave, Nik, Lemmy, Simon K, and Del. Simon H came along on the tour but isn't supposed to have played (although I thought I heard a bit of violin, forget which track). >> We are leaving out Alan Powell on drums along with Simon King. Also Simon House did play...at least at the show I saw in NYC. They also did Wind of Change at the NYC show. regards, Bill Stewart From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 19 15:02:04 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:02:04 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <7085117.3088943870@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <7085117.3088943870 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, "Carl E. Anderson" writes > From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some >compilations of early material, and then all the albums from _1916_ on >(minus the dreadful _March or Die_). I need to get th Motorhead remasters >once I've got some cash! Do you know if Motorhead's "first" album (the Chiswick one) is on CD? I sold my black vinyl one to get the white version but the surface noise is terrible so would love to get this *great* album on CD. Thanks, Mark From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 19 18:27:11 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:27:11 +0100 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <2PjgtDA8W0c0EwP+@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 20:02 19/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > >Do you know if Motorhead's "first" album (the Chiswick one) is on CD? I >sold my black vinyl one to get the white version but the surface noise >is terrible so would love to get this *great* album on CD. > >Thanks, > >Mark Yeah, it's been out for a long time. Has great bonus tracks. The cat # is CDWIK2. It's common enough and should be pretty easy to find. Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 19 19:16:33 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:16:33 GMT Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: Teri Cruzan's message of Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:19:36 -0500 Message-ID: Teri Cruzan writes: > Wow, these Robots are going to run a lot of people out of work here in Vegas. > Briz And would they be exempt from various state laws and restrictions governing the sexual act.......?! Maybe there's a future for Ron Tree's robot after all 8-) ObSemiRelatedOffTopic: Watching the making of Terminator 3D the other night - this is going to be amazingly impressive visually - but whether there's a story line or not I'm less sure! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 19 19:28:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:28:18 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: <199711200016.AAA13438@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 00:16 20/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Maybe there's a future for Ron Tree's robot after all 8-) Not only that but it would write better lyrics and sing in tune, keep a steadier rhythm on the bass, and would be cheaper to keep running perpetually fuel wise. Christian From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 20 02:02:12 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:02:12 +1000 Subject: HW: Lame cover art? Message-ID: Howdy Well, I may have had to waste 3 hours of my work day crossing Melbourne, pay a small fortune in sales tax, discover some really lame cover art, but "Distant Horizon" ROCKS and I don't care!!!!! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Nov 20 04:52:43 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:52:43 GMT Subject: HW: DH vs. ... Message-ID: Carl wrote: > On ons 19 nov 1997 12.26 -0500 "Alun Hughes" wrote: > > It's a good job this got released *after* _Distant Horizons_ and not > > before, because _DH_ mightn't have got much of a look in. Not that it's > > bad (except for Waimea Canyon Drive) but to us old-timers it's not the > > same, is it? Mind you, I do like "Batman"^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"Phetamine > > Street" ... > > DH ain't bad, but I don't think its high points reach the high points > of ET. Heck, I think Sputnik Stan and Alien I Am are probably better than > anything on DH. I have to disagree with both Alun and Carl here. For my money DH is the best HW studio album since the RCA years. Usually when I listen to a new HW album I end up thinking that it's good but not great. Well DH really excites me, I think it is great - at least as good as CYM or SA but slightly worse than the awesome Levitation. For what my opinion is worth, there you have it Chris Bates From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Nov 20 04:56:42 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:56:42 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > I have to agree to some extent based on my contact with EMI Australia > regarding this CD. While it is not being locally released down under (that > Considering it's only available on import here, EMI seem to be keeping their > people (& therefore their customers) well and truly aware of it's release! EMI have gotten their shit totally together (maaan!). As well as things like the HW remasters and _1999 Party_ they are doing some excellent greatest hits packages. I have a Groundhogs one and a Band one which cost 5.99 UKP each. The tracks have all had the EMI digital remastering treatment and these are new compilations. Excellent work. Chris Bates From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 20 06:39:23 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:39:23 GMT Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:10:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > Ah, well you're just a young scrap of a thing ;-). I've known the old > albums for so many decades that I don't need to play them any more. > I can conjure a note-perfect rendition of the entirety of HotMG in my > head :-). That's nothing. I once had a dream where a live 1972 version of Hawkwind played a note perfect You Shouldn't Do That from the XiSoS album in its entirety. And since it was my dream, I got in free. > Dave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 20 06:45:29 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:45:29 GMT Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: Teri Cruzan's message of Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:19:36 -0500 Message-ID: Teri Cruzan writes: > Wow, these Robots are going to run a lot of people out of work here in Vegas. Yeah, but they'll keep politicians in work in the rest of the country as the wowsers start a movement to ban them. I understand the change oif career between whore and politician (and vice versa) isn't too traumatic. > Briz FoFP From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 20 08:45:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:45:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons scan Message-ID: Hi, For those who don't yet have a copy, I just placed a scan of the cover on my website: "http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant Horizons.jpg" Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 20 09:03:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:03:00 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's mail of Wed, 19 Nov 97 14:20 +0000 Message-ID: On 19 Nov 14:20, Chris Warburton wrote: > I'll just have to get on the Magic Bus (*g*) to a better branch of Our > Price than Kingston has (no sign of it there...) I was surprised to find it in our local Our Price -- it's only a local shopping centre, not one of the major city centre stores. But it not only had a copy of 1999 Party, but four copies of Distant Horizons as well! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU Thu Nov 20 09:08:30 1997 From: uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:08:30 +0300 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: Hi! Mark Edmonds wrote: > Anyway, despite people contending that HW never did a duffer, you have > to be objective about it and there are plenty of them. My overall top > nominee has to be the absolutely dreadful Gimme Shelter on IITBOTFTBD > - it nearly has the same self-strangulation effect that the theme tune > to Neighbours does to me! Well, I don't think we'll find even one tune that all BOC-L members equally like (or dislike). As for me, I quite like Gimme Shelter :) Yury Elik ============================= mailto:uriah at pop.convey.ru http://private.convey.ru/elik From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 20 09:10:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:10:00 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: Alun Hughes' mail of Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:26 -0500 Message-ID: On 19 Nov 17:26, Alun Hughes wrote: > I like the unpolished sound on _1999 Party_ - the production on > _Space Ritual_ undoubtedly made the performances sound better than they > "really" were, but this is just good, honest blanga. The duff bits - > Nik's appalling vocals on D-Rider, for example - just make it more > charming. I really like Lemmy's backing vocals on It's So Easy. They're all over the shop, and utterly magnificent. This track is almost worth the cost of the album on its own. Never has the image of Hawkwind as barbarians let loose with guitars been more appropriate. None of your posturing, they just picked the damn things up and *played*. Lemmy's backing vocals on Sonic Attack are fun too. I played the album at home last night. The big hi-fi didn't detect any more refinement in the sound, but it did add weight. I couldn't play it too loud, so when I went out back to clean the cats' litter tray, all I could hear was the distant muttering of a spoken track ... until Lemmy's bellowed "HIM -- SELF !!" came echoing down the hall! Well, it raised a smile for me. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 20 09:20:58 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:20:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons scan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Icky! Someone puked in the sandbox! Gross! Eeeuw! Yuck! etc. etc....... Christian > >For those who don't yet have a copy, I just placed a scan of the cover on my >website: > >"http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant Horizons.jpg" From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Nov 20 09:47:27 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:47:27 -0600 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... Message-ID: > > > same, is it? Mind you, I do like > "Batman"^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H"Phetamine > > > Street" ... > > > > DH ain't bad, but I don't think its high points reach the high > points > > of ET. Heck, I think Sputnik Stan and Alien I Am are probably > better than > > anything on DH. > > I have to disagree with both Alun and Carl here. For my money > DH is the best HW studio album since the RCA years. Usually when > I listen to a new HW album I end up thinking that it's good but > not great. Well DH really excites me, I think it is great - at > least as good as CYM or SA but slightly worse than the awesome > Levitation. > > For what my opinion is worth, there you have it > > Chris Bates I'm with ya on this one too Chris, DH is my favorite HW album of the 90's. I do wonder about one thing though, after listening to a tape Richard Chadwick called "the new album" during the US tour there have been several songs added/deleted. Two very exciting psychedelic tunes were dropped and replaced with average ones. I was very pleased about this new direction since its what I listen to the most at this point in my life. They would have fit, bringing the time from around 50 minutes up to 65 or so. I guess one could argue that thematically they don't match, but hey DH is kinda a mixed bag anyway. I hope these songs see the light of day soon. Anyone figured out the words to Phatamine Street? -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 20 10:49:10 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:49:10 +0000 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: On tor 20 nov 1997 17.08 +0300 "Yuri Elik" wrote: > As for me, I quite like Gimme Shelter :) I find the version with Samantha Fox the more entertaining of the two :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 20 10:56:14 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:56:14 +0800 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons scan Message-ID: >>For those who don't yet have a copy, I just placed a scan of the cover on my >>website: >> >>"http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant Horizons.jpg" > >From what I saw of the cover here, it may not look great, but it it's not as bad as I was expecting. Then again, the scan may look better than the real McCoy??? William From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 20 11:01:31 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:01:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons scan Message-ID: >>>From what I saw of the cover here, it may not look great, but it it's not as >bad as I was expecting. > >Then again, the scan may look better than the real McCoy??? > >William > This all I can see when I try the URL: 404 Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server: /~Sonique/sb/i/Distant (D:/inetpub/wwwroot/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant) (Strange coverconcept! :-) mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 20 11:01:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:01:00 +0000 Subject: HW on call (was Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup?) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's mail of Wed, 19 Nov 97 17:41 +0000 Message-ID: On 19 Nov 17:41, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Well, I can hum pretty much all the bass part from "Orgone Accumulator" > :) I have this bizarre image of a bunch of Oxbridge eccentrics adopting this as a new sport, and Carl earning a quarter-blue for representing Cambridge against the Other Place. And then explaining to a bemused BBC reporter what an Orgone Accumulator is, and how you can hum one. > I like the Tree-period stuff pretty well so far, but don't like Dave > fading into the background. You could really hear his guitar right out > there in the live material from about 92 or so! I concur. > I like a lot of the material from the Calvert years, but find I often > like it better done by later lineups. The Calvert-era lineups often tended > to lack both punch _and_ spaceiness, IMO. I can agree about the punch, but not the spaciness. > >> On the spinoff side, I've got Uncle Nik's _Past or Future_ > > > > I don't think that much of this. It's got its good moments, but > > it's also got its bad moments (like Nik's voice on D-Rider). > > Nik's voice dipped below the passable some time ago :) I like it > better than the first Nikwind CD, but now that I have _1999_ I may send it > back to the warehouse (ooo, except for the cool "Lord of the Hornets" ....) That's probably my favourite of this album. Maybe we can persuade the new line-up to do this one live? > The EQ was not good on 1916, but I like the material. I really like > the recent Motorhead stuff quite well (Beats the hell out of the recent > Metallica stuff, anyway :) I'll have to take your word for that :-) Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 20 11:33:59 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:33:59 +0800 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons scan Message-ID: >>>>From what I saw of the cover here, it may not look great, but it it's not as >>bad as I was expecting. >> >>Then again, the scan may look better than the real McCoy??? >> >>William >> > >This all I can see when I try the URL: > >404 Not Found > >The requested URL was not found on this server: > >/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant > >(D:/inetpub/wwwroot/~Sonique/sb/i/Distant) > I managed to get to it by adding the words "Horizon.jpg" on to the end of the link. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 20 05:59:40 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:59:40 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <199711191710.RAA08538@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711191710.RAA08538 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >> From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some >> compilations of early material, > >I have just a tape of No Sleep Til Hammersmith, which has got all the >good early stuff on. I don't really know his later stuff. On Parole is the first Motorhead release, before the Fast Eddie/ Phil Taylor line-up. This is Lemmy, Larry Wallis from the Fairies and Lucas Fox in '76. Really worth getting if only for the versions of Lost Johnny and The Watcher, which are definative. Proper heavy, like. "We are looking in on you now, DA NA NA NOW - NA NA NOW - NA NA NA NA NA NOW!!!!!" The things only about 6 quid and mine gets played regularly. -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Nov 20 11:53:29 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:53:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: On Parole was: Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Jon Browne: >On Parole is the first Motorhead release, before the Fast Eddie/ Phil >Taylor line-up. This is Lemmy, Larry Wallis from the Fairies and Lucas >Fox in '76. But was it released as their first album? 'Cos I don't think so. > Really worth getting if only for the versions of Lost Johnny >and The Watcher, which are definative. Proper heavy, like. >"We are looking in on you now, DA NA NA NOW - NA NA NOW - NA NA NA NA >NA NOW!!!!!" Yes! But isn't it more like DUH NU NU NOW -NU NU NOW - NU NU NU NU NU NOW? ;-) >The things only about 6 quid and mine gets played regularly. Mine too! mvh - Da-na-na-noW-ikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Nov 20 12:13:45 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:13:45 -0500 Subject: New Hawkwind in Chicago? Message-ID: has anyone in the Chicago area succeeded in locating the new Hawkwind CDs at the various record stores? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 20 12:19:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:19:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: On Parole was: Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971120165329.0091a6e8@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: At 17:53 20.11.97 +0100, you wrote: >Jon Browne: >>On Parole is the first Motorhead release, before the Fast Eddie/ Phil >>Taylor line-up. This is Lemmy, Larry Wallis from the Fairies and Lucas >>Fox in '76. Daniel wrote: >But was it released as their first album? >'Cos I don't think so. It lingered in the vaults until the early 80's because EMI afraid to release it in '76!!!!!!!! Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 20 06:09:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:45 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971120012818.00761350@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971120012818.00761350 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >At 00:16 20/11/97 GMT, you wrote: > >>Maybe there's a future for Ron Tree's robot after all 8-) > >Not only that but it would write better lyrics and sing in tune, >keep a steadier rhythm on the bass, and would be cheaper to keep >running perpetually fuel wise. > >Christian ooooOOOOOOO!!!! Pink Handbags!!!! -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 20 13:04:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:04:53 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:09 20.11.97 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >ooooOOOOOOO!!!! Pink Handbags!!!! Hmmmmmmmm??? Got a problem with my fashion statement or is this UK slang for speed? Christian "Are you a fairy?" - Michael Palin, sitting on a rooftop, Monty Python's Flying Circus ca. 1972 From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Thu Nov 20 16:08:39 1997 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX)) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:08:39 -0500 Subject: LOOKING FOR NEW HW IN CLEVELAND!!!! Message-ID: I found Distant Horizons at Time Traveler in Cuyahoga Falls yesterday for $25.00 US. 1999 will be avaliable on 11/28 also at Time Traveler. I do not know the cost. I did not check out the HMV stores locally. That may be one place to look also. Tom Tully packaging Graphics Mgr. Ge Lighting D.C. Phone # 346-3303 D.C. Fax # 346-3133 E Mail - tully at linelnt1.light.ge.com > ---------- > From: john villani[SMTP:johnv at NCWEB.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 5:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: LOOKING FOR NEW HW IN CLEVELAND!!!! > > any one spot the 1999 or distant horiz in any local stores yet? > From johnv at NCWEB.COM Thu Nov 20 16:54:26 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: HEY CLEVELAND WIND HEADS!! found distant horizons 24.88, 1999 party 37.88, ozric tentacles -curious corn 16.88 at my generation records!! From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Nov 20 16:59:58 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:59:58 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: ----------18, 1997 5:32 AM At 12:35 PM 11/18/97 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.43 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" wrote: >> Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm getting a >> lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. > > No idea. My postings all come back to me with lines intact. Anyone? > I haven't seen anything wrong with your postings. First of all, am I correct in assuming that 1999 has yet to be released Stateside? 2nd, doesn't Damon Capehart live in the US? 3rd, didn't Carl write a beautiful, mouth-watering review? I think Damon, by cutting up Carl's note, was taking a little revenge the now-residing-in-England Carl, for himself and the rest of us Americans! Thank you, Damon! Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Nov 20 02:42:22 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:42:22 -0800 Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: > > > Other Golden Turkeys which spring to mind: > > > > The rest of IITBOTFTBD, I'm pretty impressed with some of the tracks, especially Palestine. > > Nearly the entire WZ album, It's grown on me slowly as a whole, though I loved the title-track from the beginning... > > The bulk of A4 - especially the title, > > The decision to let Alan do the vocals on The Right Stuff in TBT, I like his rough Lemmy-ish edge here... > > Every song which had Bridget singing, > > As near as damnit, the whole of Space Bandits, > > Everything except The War I survived and Wastelands on XC, > > Also "Nuclear Drive" which is just plain embarrassing. > Hmm, lyrically, but the music... Charlie From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Nov 20 17:03:29 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:03:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: On Parole was: Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup? Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > At 17:53 20.11.97 +0100, you wrote: > >Jon Browne: > >>On Parole is the first Motorhead release, before the Fast Eddie/ Phil > >>Taylor line-up. This is Lemmy, Larry Wallis from the Fairies and Lucas > >>Fox in '76. > > Daniel wrote: > > >But was it released as their first album? > >'Cos I don't think so. > > It lingered in the vaults until the early 80's because EMI > afraid to release it in '76!!!!!!!! > > Christian I have had On Parole since around 1978. It is Liberty/United Artists LBR1004. It also says the Rock file on it. (which I just assumed was a lowbudget thing from the record company. I know that it came out after the Chiswick white vinyl Motorhead albun, but was recorded before. The date on this vinyl is 1976; and was recorded at Rockfield Studios, Monmouth, Wales Chris -- Walk not the earth, but fly through space-HW From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Nov 20 17:18:12 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:18:12 -0500 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Nov 20, 97 11:09:45 am Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971120012818.00761350 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >At 00:16 20/11/97 GMT, you wrote: > >>Maybe there's a future for Ron Tree's robot after all 8-) > >Not only that but it would write better lyrics and sing in tune, >keep a steadier rhythm on the bass, and would be cheaper to keep >running perpetually fuel wise. How strange. I think Tree is the best thing to happen to Hawkwind's live show in years (haven't heard him yet on album). I love the fact that he brings a lot of Calvert's work back into the mix, and I think he does it with a real flair for the poetic/dramatic element in Calvert's spoken word pieces - something that's very hard to do well. I tend to see poetic recitations during rock concerts as being fairly ridiculous in general, and only a certain combination of audacity, showmanship, and inner conviction will carry it off well. Calvert had it. I think Tree has it, too. His singing voice sounded excellent to me at the two NYC show a couple of months back, he sounded positively dangerous during Hassan I Sabha and Reptile Vision (?). I'm not sure about the quality of his own lyrics; it's tough to pick out the lyrics when you hear them for the first time at a live show. If that's his greatest weakness, then I'll still be glad to have him, even if only as a Calvert stand-in. Steve swann at panix.com From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Thu Nov 20 17:30:34 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:30:34 -0500 Subject: HW: How do I turn my mail off? Message-ID: Hi, Sorry to interupt the discussions, but, I need to know how to temporarily turn of my BOC-L mail. Thanks! Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings. Well it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your mind's eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. (Hurry on Sundown, by Hawkwind) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 20 18:05:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:05:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Ron no Bob! (was: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron) In-Reply-To: <199711202218.RAA26806@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 17:18 20.11.97 -0500, Steve Swann wrote: >How strange. I think Tree is the best thing to happen to Hawkwind's >live show in years (haven't heard him yet on album). As a zany punk frontman, yes I agree. Blew me away at the Limelight '95 since I had no clue who he was and he put on a truly exciting act. > I love the fact >that he brings a lot of Calvert's work back into the mix, and I think >he does it with a real flair for the poetic/dramatic element in >Calvert's spoken word pieces - something that's very hard to do well. >I tend to see poetic recitations during rock concerts as being fairly >ridiculous in general, and only a certain combination of audacity, >showmanship, and inner conviction will carry it off well. Calvert had >it. I think Tree has it, too. Ron Tree = poetic flair???? Are you losing your mind? :) The guy is about as poetic as slamming headfirst into a brick wall at 200 mph with The Knack blaring at full volume!!! Calvert had a sinister delivery, was a twisted crazy maniacal bastard, whereas Tree is but a mere Hawk-sapling who's poetic achievments go no further than Robotussin induced X-Files quotes scribbled on a high school lavatory wall! Still, that can be enjoyable enough, I enjoy alot of awful poetry myself! (not to mention post my own on BOC-L...) I wouldn't even place Tree and Calvert together in one sentence (OOOPS!!!) Actually, Reptoid Vision is the only IMHO decent lyric of his I have seen.... (a case of *good* Robotussin induced X-Files lyrics - uh the lyrics, not the Robotussin.) He's intentionally campy cos he can't do it seriously anyway.... at least he sounds pretty campy to me... >His singing voice sounded excellent to me at the two NYC show a couple >of months back, he sounded positively dangerous during Hassan I Sabha >and Reptile Vision (?). He's gotten better. I like the punk edge being retained in HW, and in that he does a good job! It's just sometimes he makes me cringe. > I'm not sure about the quality of his own >lyrics; it's tough to pick out the lyrics when you hear them for the >first time at a live show. If that's his greatest weakness, then >I'll still be glad to have him, even if only as a Calvert stand-in. Well, all his corny alien stuff on Alien 4 is IMHO pretty unlistenable, and I certainly *can* appreciate bad comic book writing, awful sci-fi flicks, crappy Hawklords novels - u-name it, dear god, I can't keep a straight face even looking at that CD... let alone play it... every now and then I put it on, and then violently take it off in giggle-induced fits of madness! Christian From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 20 21:27:57 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:27:57 +1000 Subject: Distant Horizons Scan is not working Message-ID: Hi Bryan! On 20 Nov 97 at 6:51, JW Head Memorial Educ Center wrote: > Just got your message on the BOC-L about the Distant Horizons image, but I > can't get the URL to work. How did you get it saved on a server with a > space in the filename? Easy ... windows NT > I tried replacing "Distant Horizons" with "Distant_Horizons" but still > can't get it to work. Try http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb/latest.html - that should work > Thanks for your time. My email address is heavily spamblocked, so it > may be easier to post to BOC-L again. Done! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Nov 20 21:54:44 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:54:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 11/12/97 at 09:44 AM, Jon Browne said: >In article <3.0.2.32.19971111221949.0075f910 at online.no>, Christian >Mumford writes >>I only have LGM, but I strongly suggest picking up something by Spacemen 3 >>(J. Pierce's old band w/Sonic Boom) - the "Singles" EP collection on Taang! >>comes highly recommended as a primer - awesome stuff. Just beware of below >>standard demo and live material of SM3 stuff. >Like "Taking Drugs To Make Music To Take Drugs To" - Sort Of Official >Bootleg of early rehersal tapes, sounds like MC5 or The Stooges, with a >bit of Electric Prunes thrown in doing Drone Rock. Great if you like that >sort of thing, but if you're not in the mood. Me, I love it! -- I have most of SM3s' stuff. I find myself reaching for _Dreamweapon_ a little more than the others - that was the first one I bought. Back to off-topic subject: Last I checked CDnow _Pure Phase_ was listed under Spiritualized . I also noticed a couple of singles titled _Electricity 1_ (&2) . Jerry ObCD: Magic Mushroom Band - The Spaced Collection -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 21 00:04:29 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:04:29 -0600 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > Considering it's only available on import here, EMI seem to be > keeping their people (& therefore their customers) well and truly > aware of it's release! Heh... Gee, I thought *everything* was an import way down there in Oz. :-) Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 21 00:04:31 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:04:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:59:58 -0800 herbert rosenberg wrote: >At 12:35 PM 11/18/97 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>On m?n 17 nov 1997 23.43 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" >> wrote: >>> Is there something wrong with your e-mail or mine, Carl? I'm >>> getting a lot of incomplete sentences from you recently. >> >> No idea. My postings all come back to me with lines intact. >> Anyone? >> >I haven't seen anything wrong with your postings. > >First of all, am I correct in assuming that 1999 has yet to be >released Stateside? >2nd, doesn't Damon Capehart live in the US? >3rd, didn't Carl write a beautiful, mouth-watering review? > >I think Damon, by cutting up Carl's note, was taking a little >revenge the now-residing-in-England Carl, for himself and the rest >of us Americans! >Thank you, Damon! Erm... no comment. [*sigh* :-? ] BTW, Mike Coleman is getting back on the ball again. He was as depressed as anyone would be for missing StrangeDaze. I should be getting my copies of DH and 1999 soon. Damon P.S.: I actually would have liked to see the rest of Carl's review, but don't sweat it. I'm hearing enough from you guys, and I honestly didn't need any convincing anyway. :-) From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Nov 21 00:04:38 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:04:38 -0600 Subject: HW: Ron no Bob! (was: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:05:23 +0100 Christian Mumford wrote: >Ron Tree = poetic flair???? Are you losing your mind? :) Obviously pun intended. *groan* :-P >The guy is about as poetic as slamming headfirst into a brick >wall at 200 mph with The Knack blaring at full volume!!! Calvert had a >sinister delivery, was a twisted crazy maniacal bastard, whereas >Tree is but a mere Hawk-sapling who's poetic achievments go no further >than Robotussin induced X-Files quotes scribbled on a high school >lavatory wall! Er... that's not Robitussin - ahem... Damon P.S.: [Oh... maybe that's what you meant. :-) ] From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Nov 21 00:45:11 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:45:11 -0800 Subject: the truth is out there Message-ID: ----------wrote: > > >So you want some definitions to these different terms, well, I am not an > >expert, but I listen to "alternative" music forms, and I think I > >understand what most of these terms mean, and can give examples on most. Oh yeah, this guys really knows his shit... > >Well, here goes: > > > >Death Metal: A variation of Thrash Metal, which is soley devoted to > >lifting up Satan and empowering enemies of the Christians. Wrong, _far_ from solely. The album > >covers usually depict satanic rituals or symbols, and show the members > >wearing paint that make them look horrible and menacing. The lyrics are > >usually pretty intelligent, but are usually indecipherable by most. Most > >of these bands seem to come from Europe, This sounds more like the current "Black Metal" scene going on right now in Scandinavia. there are not as many American > >bands who have decided to write music meant soley to worship Satan, but > >there are a few. Examples: Deicide, Godkiller, Death, Sabbat, Cradle of > >Filth etc.. Well, Sabbat and CoF, being Brits, might indeed make an exception here and sacrifice this guy to Satan for calling them Yanks. Or the Japanese Sabbat, for that matter. > > > >Black Metal: A variation of Thrash Metal, but does not usually talk about > >Satan directly, just about really disgusting and awful things like > >necrophilia, corpse molestation, decapitation, maggots spilling out of > >ones mouth etc. Other than that, I believe it is similiar to Death Metal. Ha, ha! WAY off! Death metal has always been the genre more closely releated w/gore and BM always the one mainly associated w/Satanism! > >Example: Cannibal Corpse > > > >Hardcore- "Hardcore" as far as I understand tends to relate to what one of > >my friends refers to as "Holy Black Death Metal" I suppose that the more > >hardcore something is the more it goes into darkness, evil, violence, > >immorality, occultism, thrashier metal, obscene lyrics, darker sounding > >singing (rasping, shouting, chanting) > Ha, ha. Oh yeah, Bad Brains, Agnostic Front, Minor Threat, very occultish stuff... > > > > >Gothic- This is a musical equivalent of Black Metal for females, it is an > >off-shoot of Modern Rock, and tends to emphasize dark, overly black lyrics > >and musical tones. It borrows from an Edgar Allan Poeish, victorian style > >with an emphasis on graphic design, extremly dark themes and the color > >black. > Whatever. I won't even touch this one... or the rest. Got the metal covered. Sorry for taking up space... I know no one hear cares enough for metal, but if you're ever actually interested in facts, let me know and I'll hook you up... Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Nov 21 00:53:04 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:53:04 -0800 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) Message-ID: > Well, maybe they were keen on keeping the price low - Virgin had it for > 12.49, for instance, and it was in the 2 for 22 at HMV - because low prices > can "attract the buyers" too? Maybe after trying fancy digipaks on _Alien 4_ > and _Love in Space_, they thought they'd have a go at a "no-frills" package > at a lower price this time? > Think it likely that a US-Virgin (Megastore) would have it? Charlie From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 01:26:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:26:01 +0100 Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) In-Reply-To: <19971121055505444.AAA135@herbrose> Message-ID: At 21:53 20.11.97 -0800, herbert rosenberg wrote: >Think it likely that a US-Virgin (Megastore) would have it? > >Charlie Well, the Virgin Megastore here in Norway doesen't have it yet. Didn't know Branson had expanded his plans for friendly world domination to USA as well, BTW. Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 21 03:52:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:52:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: > >First of all, am I correct in assuming that 1999 has yet to be > >released Stateside? > >2nd, doesn't Damon Capehart live in the US? > >3rd, didn't Carl write a beautiful, mouth-watering review? > > > >I think Damon, by cutting up Carl's note, was taking a little > >revenge the now-residing-in-England Carl, for himself and the rest > >of us Americans! > >Thank you, Damon! > > Erm... no comment. [*sigh* :-? ] > Shame on you! :-) - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 21 04:03:53 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:03:53 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons Scan is not working Message-ID: Sonique: > >Try http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb/latest.html - that should work > I've seen it now... ehrm... it's better than the "this-URL-does-not-work-shit" I saw first... ehrm... and it looks far better than I could imagine after I'd followed the Brits postings... IMHO it's rather sober... - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 21 04:11:51 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:11:51 -0700 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Hi all! out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any reccomendations here? They also had "Cast"-what are they like? I had also seen a "Tear Garden" review on rmp-anyone see that and possibly remember what the title of the cd was-only 'cause I really like Edward K-Spell's vocals. any reccommendations there? Thanx!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <199711191710.RAA08538 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry > writes > >> From Our Man Lemmy, I've got _On Parole_ (remastered), some > >> compilations of early material, > > > >I have just a tape of No Sleep Til Hammersmith, which has got all the > >good early stuff on. I don't really know his later stuff. > > On Parole is the first Motorhead release, before the Fast Eddie/ Phil > Taylor line-up. This is Lemmy, Larry Wallis from the Fairies and Lucas > Fox in '76. Really worth getting if only for the versions of Lost Johnny > and The Watcher, which are definative. Proper heavy, like. > "We are looking in on you now, DA NA NA NOW - NA NA NOW - NA NA NA NA > NA NOW!!!!!" > The things only about 6 quid and mine gets played regularly. > -- > Jon Browne I'm fairly sure that most of the drums were re-done by Phil Taylor prior to release. The UA version of this wasn't released until after the first couple of albums. Also worth listening to for the intro to "Motorhead"... GRRRRRRR VROOOMMMMM!! Cheers, Rich. ObCD: AC - More Top 40 Hits From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 04:45:13 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:45:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On tor 20 nov 1997 23.04 -0600 "DAMON CAPEHART" wrote: > P.S.: I actually would have liked to see the rest of Carl's review, > but don't sweat it. I'm hearing enough from you guys, and I honestly > didn't need any convincing anyway. :-) Well, I didn't keep a copy, but it should be in the list archives. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 04:59:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:59:48 +0000 Subject: On Parole Message-ID: On fre 21 nov 1997 09.32 +0000 "Rich Lockwood" wrote: > I'm fairly sure that most of the drums were re-done by Phil Taylor prior > to release. Correctomundo. Philthy redid the drums after he joined--which wasn't too long after the original recording (and overdubbing drums is a pain and a half!). Lucas Fox's drums remain only on "Lost Johnny". Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hoven Droven, _Grov_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 04:57:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:57:25 +0000 Subject: On Parole In-Reply-To: <347554E0.1851@geocities.com> Message-ID: In article <347554E0.1851 at geocities.com>, Rich Lockwood writes >I'm fairly sure that most of the drums were re-done by Phil Taylor prior >to release. The UA version of this wasn't released until after the >first couple of albums. Sleeve notes reveal this to be true (except Lost Johnny), wonder why Lucas got the credit on the original release......? -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 21 05:07:28 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:07:28 -0000 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: On Friday, November 21, 1997 9:12 AM, Cliff and Pam Wheaton [SMTP:cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM] wrote: > My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any > reccomendations here? IMHO, early Can is the best - _Monster Movie_, _Tago Mago_, _Ege Bamyasi_. > They also had "Cast"-what are they like? Well, I think they suck extremely badly - ersatz retro-shite, even worse than Kula Shaker. But that's just me :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Nov 20 17:29:53 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:29:53 +1100 Subject: Ron no Bob! Message-ID: I'd agree that Ron is not even in the same universe as Bob (literally and metaphorically), but I would say that he is rapidly improving. Take Alien4. Well, he was pretty dodgy on that. IMO not unlistenable, but he wasn't overly exciting. Love in Space, wasn't much of an improvement. Then came his couple of tracks on Captured Rotation, which were a big improvement on what had gone before. Now there's Distant Horizons, as I've been constantly been going on about over the last few days, I haven't heard it yet, but I have heard Reptoid Vision, and I'd say that Ron's done his first classic. It's still no Calvert, but of course neither is Calvert. I'm interested in keeping an eye on him, as he seems to be getting progressivly better... -=- Max Wilcox -=- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 21 05:18:23 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:18:23 -0000 Subject: On Parole Message-ID: > Sleeve notes reveal this to be true (except Lost Johnny), wonder why > Lucas got the credit on the original release......? > -- > Jon I've got the original release right here, and it says: Bass & vocals: Lemmy Guitars: Larry Wallis Drums: Phil Taylor * except "Lost Johnny" - Lucas Fox - drums - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 05:23:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:23:00 +0000 Subject: Ron no Bob! In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's mail of Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:29 +1100 Message-ID: On 20 Nov 22:29, Max Wilcox wrote: > I'd agree that Ron is not even in the same universe as Bob I think he does Bob's songs very well live. His own lyrics are completely different of course, but I'd rather he did his own thing lyrically than tried to imitate Bob. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 05:29:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:29:00 +0000 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD Message-ID: Christmas has arrived early. Miquette Giraudy is singing "Isis and Nephthys" in my ears even as I type. (This is making it very difficult to concentrate on work...). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU Fri Nov 21 06:20:01 1997 From: uriah at TANGRAM.SPB.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:20:01 +0300 Subject: OFF: Shapeshifter (was: I'm waiting for my Hawks: recent acquisitions) Message-ID: Hi! Christian Mumford wrote: > Gong - "Shapeshifter+" - Looks like the reconstructed Aellen line up are > groping for something as good as the Radio Gnome stuff, > and are not even coming near. Ok, IMO better than the > Aellen-less (cold?) fusion stuff, but a far cry from > old glories... ok listen, though disposable enough. First, I think it make no sence to compare classical Gong to Pierre Moerlen's Gong - in fact, it is absolutely different band despite of their relations and the same name. Second, I think Shapeshifter is a quite decent album; of course it can't be near (if you mean by this SIMILAR to) their old stuff because times has changed as well as Allen - and other guys - themselves, however I found it no less fresh and creative than their old stuff (and it was definitely much more interesting to me than another live album with the same RG-era stuff). Shapeshifter has showed to me that 'ole Gong is not dead! It's a pity they haven't made anything new since then. And, by the way, I was very impressed with a Shapeshifter book (that I have ordered from GAS after listening to an album); the story is absolutely amazing. -- Yury Elik ============================= mailto:uriah at pop.convey.ru http://private.convey.ru/elik From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 07:34:01 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:34:01 GMT Subject: Ron no Bob! In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:23:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 20 Nov 22:29, Max Wilcox wrote: > > I'd agree that Ron is not even in the same universe as Bob > > I think he does Bob's songs very well live. His own lyrics are > completely different of course, but I'd rather he did his own thing > lyrically than tried to imitate Bob. Unfortunately on the Moorcock tracks "Warriors" and "Sonic Attack" I found his voice too weak to carry them off. Perhaps Captain Rizz might have made a better job of these? Apart from "The Camera That Could Lie" I thought Rizz detracted from, rather than added to, the gigs. > Dave. FoFP From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 07:43:47 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:43:47 -0500 Subject: HW: language! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971118134455.399755ae@cygnus.newi.ac.uk> Message-ID: Does "It's So Easy" on _The 1999 Party_ include the first or only use of the f-word in the HW oeuvre? I always used to think they were nice well-spoken boys ... Seriously, though, there'd have been problems releasing that in 1974. Alun From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Nov 21 09:48:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:48:19 +1000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: Transmission details - Source: DAMON CAPEHART Received: 20 Nov 97 23:04 > Sonique wrote: > > Considering it's only available on import here, EMI seem to be > > keeping their people (& therefore their customers) well and truly > > aware of it's release! > > Heh... Gee, I thought *everything* was an import way down there in > Oz. :-) That would be funny if it wasn't (almost) true ...... It never used to be this way though - once upon a time "even" Hawkwind LP's got locally released (and even pressed) down under .... then the darker days of the 80's came along and it all stopped happening .... Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 08:59:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:59:28 +0000 Subject: HW on call (was Re: HW: 1999 Party lineup?) Message-ID: On tor 20 nov 1997 16.01 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > On 19 Nov 17:41, Carl E. Anderson wrote: >> Well, I can hum pretty much all the bass part from "Orgone Accumulator" > > I have this bizarre image of a bunch of Oxbridge eccentrics adopting this > as a new sport, and Carl earning a quarter-blue for representing Cambridge > against the Other Place. [toffee-nosed accent] Hum, yes, well, I blangad for Cambridge, don't you know old chap? [/toffee-nosed accent] > And then explaining to a bemused BBC reporter > what an Orgone Accumulator is, and how you can hum one. I yet regret not having made an orgone accumulator of a size appropriate to place my beer-brewing equipment. Someday ... :) >> Nik's voice dipped below the passable some time ago :) I like it >> better than the first Nikwind CD, but now that I have _1999_ I may send it >> back to the warehouse (ooo, except for the cool "Lord of the Hornets" ...) > > That's probably my favourite of this album. Maybe we can persuade the > new line-up to do this one live? That would be worthwhile :) >> The EQ was not good on 1916, but I like the material. I really like >> the recent Motorhead stuff quite well (Beats the hell out of the recent >> Metallica stuff, anyway :) > > I'll have to take your word for that :-) Lemmy is Lemmy. Though the occasionally dodgy track surfaces, the man delivers the goods :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Fri Nov 21 09:46:10 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (blyoung) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:46:10 -0800 Subject: HW: Scan of 1999 Party Message-ID: First, thanks to Sonique for the cool scan of Distant Horizons, and thanks for fixing the link for all of us who can't handle a blank character in the name. If you don't mind, that scan was EXACTLY the perfect size for my webpage, so I absconded it and put the new acquisition on my webpage. (It'll be Christmas before I can order the CD up here in Canada, partly due to the mail strike we have in full force now.) I like the cover for Distant Horizons. It's simple and not cluttered. The fonts are a bit plain, but compare it to your typical country and western album and it's still a lot more interesting. Just imagine if Hawkwind were country and ALL of their covers just had "face" shots of the band. How boring that must be for fans of Garth Brooks. ("Wonder what hat and shirt he'll wear on this new album..." ) Anyways, how about a scan of 1999 Party? I won't get that for awhile, either, unfortunately... Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From mwood at AGILE.COM Fri Nov 21 09:05:11 1997 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:05:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Scan of 1999 Party Message-ID: Hi Bryan! blyoung wrote: > If you don't mind, that scan was EXACTLY the perfect size for my > webpage, so I absconded it and put the new acquisition on my webpage. > (It'll be Christmas before I can order the CD up here in Canada, partly > due to the mail strike we have in full force now.) Oh NO! I hope you got the CDs I sent before this went into effect! Don't feel bad - I won't be getting DH or 1999 until after Christmas either. I can't spare the cash during this holiday shopping season! MWood From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 21 09:08:26 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:08:26 -0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: > It never used to be this way though - once upon a time "even" Hawkwind LP's > got locally released (and even pressed) down under .... then the darker > days > of the 80's came along and it all stopped happening .... Indeed - I've even got an Australian _Grill_, which I got in '84 (when I still kollekted), for A$3.50 in a place on Pitt Street... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 21 10:24:38 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:24:38 -0500 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Pam asks... >out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music >stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc >Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any >recommendations here? Well, of the four that I have (also including Tago Mago, Monster Movie, and Soon over Babaluma), my favourite is Future Days. It is a quieter, gentler Can, and a bit more spacey. The earlier albums are a touch 'frantic' for lack of a better word, although they're better known. I've also heard some good things about 'Soundtracks', and have been kind of looking for an inexpensive copy of that CD around. Good luck...Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Anybody heard that Gong - You (remixed) CD yet?? Is it worthwhile, or is it just annoying crap like so-called 'remixed HW'. P.P.S. I didn't know Jon-Luc *had* a pony. :) From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 21 08:30:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:30:53 -0600 Subject: Off: Signing Off Message-ID: >Hi, > Sorry to interupt the discussions, but, I need to know how to >temporarily turn of my BOC-L mail. Thanks! >Jeff Jeff think you have to send a message to the list serv directly, you can set to NOMAIL without unsubcribing or you can UNSUBSCRIBE and resubscribe later. If you are receiving all this traffic one message at a time (feel for anyone in that mode) you can also get into Digest Mode. A good idea for these last few weeks. I show admin stuff being sent to this address: listserv at listserv.spc.edu. There are some others her that can give you better directions. >I know no one hear cares enough for metal, but if you're ever actually >interested in facts, let me know and I'll hook you up... >Charlie Whatever happened to plain old "heavy metal", all this black, death whatever. Does this stuff really sell records? Pam W.>Hi all! out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". Jon-Luc Ponty, ah clearly remember wearing many grooves into my vinyl copy of this one. You have serious great taste in music. Traffic is high lately but seems like the list was like this everyday a few years ago. Remember folks, "Nothing pleases like assorted cheeses." lil ab "I will believe in you if you still want me to, or tell me I'm on my >own." - One Child From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 21 11:03:43 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:43 -0500 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD In-Reply-To: <199711211029.KAA28473@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > Christmas has arrived early. Miquette Giraudy is singing "Isis and Nephthys" > in my ears even as I type. (This is making it very difficult to concentrate > on work...). Is this on EBS? Might you divulge the label/catalogue number, please? (I have only a cassette dub of this album, and it would be nice to get it on CD.) And, whilst I'm here, can anybody shed some light on the "limited release" Bevis Frond album _North Circular_ mentioned on Paul's (the other Paul) Sonic Bilby latest news page (the one with the Distant Horizons scan)? Will this be available via "the usual channels", or as a mail-order only from Woronzow?? Hmm.. methinks it's time to hit Woronzow's WWW pages... Cheers, Paul. obCD: (hardware still knackered). e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 21 10:19:46 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:19:46 EDT Subject: tBS gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, tonight's the night for some hot Malpractise. Hope tBS are as ready to rock as I am. It's been almost a year since I saw them last. I'll be thinking of ya, lads... From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 11:39:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:39:00 +0000 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's mail of Fri, 21 Nov 97 11:03 -0500 Message-ID: On 21 Nov 16:03, Paul Mather wrote: > Is this on EBS? Might you divulge the label/catalogue number, please? It's listed on the EBS web page, but the catalogue number is NIKTCD333. Copyright/Published NIKT. I've no idea if this is any practical help. I got mine from mail order from CDS in Dundee, whose address I've posted previously on this list (try the archives). > (I have only a cassette dub of this album, and it would be nice to get > it on CD.) It is nice to have it on CD. The booklet isn't as good as the original, but it's OK. The sound is nice and clear, which is what matters. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From ChStier at AOL.COM Fri Nov 21 11:49:32 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:49:32 -0500 Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron Message-ID: > Wow, these Robots are going to run a lot of people out of work here in Vegas. >Yeah, but they'll keep politicians in work in the rest of the country as >the wowsers start a movement to ban them. I understand the change oif >career between whore and politician (and vice versa) isn't too traumatic. > Briz >FoFP Well, as long as when they cum they don't moan another's name... Sorry, couldn't resist. Back to lurk mode. Chris From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 21 08:57:12 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:57:12 -0600 Subject: Off: Sad Music Industry Message-ID: Damn wish I saved the article. Anyhow Washington Times Business Section lead story concerned the continuing decline of the music industry. Projected numbers thus far are 10% worse than last year which was a disaster. 30,000 new releases in 1997 and only 2% of them sold more han 50,000 copies. Bands are being dropped from labels at an alarming rate; mega bands are signing lucrative long term deals based on what they have done in the past and few are making money in this game these days. The biggest problem cited in the article was that few, if any, of the major labels are independent business; most are owned by large conglomerates with an eye on the bottom line. Sad, when artist ran this industry we got art, with coporations running the show we are getting "whats hot at the moment". Everyone is waiting for the "next big trend to emerge" to pull the industry up by the bootstraps. This ain't gonna happen until one of those ivory tower jerks discovers The Brain Surgeons 8>). Who's really suffering from all this, music lovers and artist. Death to corporate music, long live the indy label! Gonna go cry in some fake beer now. lil ab "JUST A GAME" Words and music by Rik Emmett Wizards of a modern age cast spells of electric power But the corporate strings that make them dance Lead up to an ivory tower There sit the fates in solitude, far from the public eye No one ever sees them smile and nothing makes them cry Welcome to the kingdom, the land of bought and sold A world of real-life fantasy where truths are seldom told Try hard to remember all that glitters is not gold You can pay the piper, but you cannot buy his soul CHORUS: It's just a game, you're in it all the way It's just a game, don't let yourself slip away It's such a shame, I heard somebody say It's just a game, and all I can do...is play What you do choose, now, what do you believe, now Who are you gonna trust? All you dreams and fancy schemes Just crumble into dust Calm and cool and computerized to calculate and collect We wait and watch and wonder Just which puppet they'll select Like the moth, too near the flame, Who learned his truth too late We're all too deep into the game That is the master of our fate The poets and the pipers have got their motives And you've got yours, no doubt And so the game continues That's what it's all about... From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 21 12:10:13 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:10:13 -0700 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > ? > > IMHO, early Can is the best - _Monster Movie_, _Tago Mago_, _Ege Bamyasi_. they had some of their later stuff-I forget which now. wasn't any of these:) > > > > They also had "Cast"-what are they like? > > Well, I think they suck extremely badly - ersatz retro-shite, even worse than > Kula Shaker. But that's just me :) hmmm...I guess I won't waste my $$$$!Thanx all! Pam > > > - Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool YEP! >Damn wish I saved the article. Anyhow Washington Times Business Section >lead story concerned the continuing decline of the music industry. >Projected numbers thus far are 10% worse than last year which was a >disaster. 30,000 new releases in 1997 and only 2% of them sold more han >50,000 copies. Bands are being dropped from labels at an alarming rate; >mega bands are signing lucrative long term deals based on what they have >done in the past and few are making money in this game these days. > >The biggest problem cited in the article was that few, if any, of the >major labels are independent business; most are owned by large >conglomerates with an eye on the bottom line. Sad, when artist ran this >industry we got art, with coporations running the show we are getting >"whats hot at the moment". > >Everyone is waiting for the "next big trend to emerge" to pull the >industry up by the bootstraps. This ain't gonna happen until one of >those ivory tower jerks discovers The Brain Surgeons 8>). > >Who's really suffering from all this, music lovers and artist. Death to >corporate music, long live the indy label! > >Gonna go cry in some fake beer now. > >lil ab > >"JUST A GAME" >Words and music by Rik Emmett > >Wizards of a modern age cast spells of electric power >But the corporate strings that make them dance >Lead up to an ivory tower >There sit the fates in solitude, far from the public eye >No one ever sees them smile and nothing makes them cry > >Welcome to the kingdom, the land of bought and sold >A world of real-life fantasy where truths are seldom told >Try hard to remember all that glitters is not gold >You can pay the piper, but you cannot buy his soul > >CHORUS: >It's just a game, you're in it all the way >It's just a game, don't let yourself slip away >It's such a shame, I heard somebody say >It's just a game, and all I can do...is play > >What you do choose, now, what do you believe, now >Who are you gonna trust? >All you dreams and fancy schemes >Just crumble into dust >Calm and cool and computerized to calculate and collect >We wait and watch and wonder >Just which puppet they'll select > >Like the moth, too near the flame, >Who learned his truth too late >We're all too deep into the game >That is the master of our fate > >The poets and the pipers have got their motives >And you've got yours, no doubt >And so the game continues >That's what it's all about... > > Tom Minsel, Ph.D. Statistical Services Abacus-Direct Corp. 8774 Yates Dr. Westminster, CO. 80030 (303) 657-5274 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 12:25:22 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:25:22 +0000 Subject: Off: Sad Music Industry Message-ID: ObTrack: "Overnight Sensation", Motorhead stand up straight, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 12:01:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:01:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: GONG (Re: Off: Music help) In-Reply-To: <199711211524.KAA09731@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 10:24 21.11.97 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: >P.S. Anybody heard that Gong - You (remixed) CD yet?? YES! > Is it worthwhile, or >is it just annoying crap like so-called 'remixed HW'. Definetly worthwile, and in a whole other sphere than that (mostly) halfassed HW Solstice thingy. The Gong CD actually has BIG names doing these mixes, like Orb, System 7, Shamen etc. and not a struggling "has been" act like Utah Saints and and a bunch of (deservedly) unknowns.... :) I'll put it this way - the original You always struck me as 20 years ahead of its time both technologically and musically... the remix brings it up from 1994 to 2014.... the Most Holy Magick Cosmic Groove is preserved faithfully, and expanded upon... my faves here would be the Mad Stof remix of "Master Builder" and System 7's "A Sprinkling Of Clouds". System 7 happens to be a band in their own right, which coincidentally consist of Steve Hillage and Miquette Giraudy. The only negative thing I might have to say about it is that it's a little unnecessary to have it as a double CD with with more remixes of the same tracks, but still it's IMO worth every penny.... Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 12:19:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:19:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Shapeshifter (was: I'm waiting for my Hawks: recent acquisitions) In-Reply-To: <34756E61.BB87D180@tangram.spb.ru> Message-ID: At 14:20 21.11.97 +0300, Yuri Elik wrote: >Christian Mumford wrote: >> Gong - "Shapeshifter+" - Looks like the reconstructed Aellen line up are >> groping for something as good as the Radio Gnome stuff, >> and are not even coming near. Ok, IMO better than the >> Aellen-less (cold?) fusion stuff, but a far cry from >> old glories... ok listen, though disposable enough. > >First, I think it make no sence to compare classical Gong to Pierre >Moerlen's Gong - in fact, it is absolutely different band despite of >their relations and the same name. I agree! However, I was thinking of people (and there are many, as I was one) who when first buying Gong have no idea what's what in the confusing Gong universe. I also felt the music lacked the spontanaety of the Allen era 70s Gong. Hence my somewhat misguided comparisons.... >Second, I think Shapeshifter is a >quite decent album; of course it can't be near (if you mean by this >SIMILAR to) NO, I did NOT mean SIMILAR... I meant NEAR as in as GOOD :) >their old stuff because times has changed as well as Allen - >and other guys - themselves, however I found it no less fresh and >creative than their old stuff (and it was definitely much more >interesting to me than another live album with the same RG-era stuff). Agreed here too, on the live album bit. On the first few listens, Shapeshifter didn't spark much in me. It seemed a little forced or lacked spontanaety... maybe I will go over it again :) The early Gong stuff grabs me right away from the first spin. >Shapeshifter has showed to me that 'ole Gong is not dead! Definetly true, and that in itself is praiseworthy if nothing else (a quick nod Hawkwards......) > It's a pity >they haven't made anything new since then. And, by the way, I was very >impressed with a Shapeshifter book (that I have ordered from GAS after >listening to an album); the story is absolutely amazing. The story seemed quirky enough from what I gathered off the CD, and definetly a potential there... I just don't think much about "story" when I listen to the music... the whole Radio Gnome trilogy, is well, uh, a salad of spontanety being sucked in somewhere and spat out elsewhere.... :) YOU certainly don't need the liner notes or a book for it to eventually stick... Can't comment on the Shapeshifter book though, but will give the CD another chance! Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 12:26:19 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:26:19 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <3475C074.FF3DF4E3@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 10:10 21.11.97 -0700, The Rockin' Cabbie wrote: >Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> ? >> >> IMHO, early Can is the best - _Monster Movie_, _Tago Mago_, _Ege Bamyasi_. > >they had some of their later stuff-I forget which now. wasn't any of these:) Steer clear of most post-1976 or so Can... at least that's my advice... >> >> > They also had "Cast"-what are they like? >> >> Well, I think they suck extremely badly - ersatz retro-shite, even worse than >> Kula Shaker. But that's just me :) Hold on! There's that indie-popster-UK-snot band, and there's a mexican Cast that pops up in RMP... which one were you thinking of Pam? Christian >hmmm...I guess I won't waste my $$$$!Thanx all! >Pam > > From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 12:38:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:38:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: GONG (Re: Off: Music help) In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's mail of Fri, 21 Nov 97 18:01 +0100 Message-ID: On 21 Nov 17:01, Christian Mumford wrote: > The Gong CD actually has BIG names doing > these mixes, like Orb, System 7, Shamen etc. They will draw in the sales (including my impulse purchase of the album), but generally it's the unknowns that do the best mixes, IMO (with the honourable exception of Youth). I'm in two minds about the CD. It's quite good, but most of the time it just makes me want to play the original album again. I think I'd prefer to hear the artists's own music. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 13:08:16 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:08:16 GMT Subject: Distant Horizons Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > I've seen it now... ehrm... it's better than the "this-URL-does-not-work-shit" > I saw first... ehrm... and it looks far better than I could imagine > after I'd followed the Brits postings... IMHO it's rather sober... well - since it appears to be based on an Egyptian heiroglyphic theme and given the recent tourist massacre out there perhaps a sober image is more appropriate to the prevailing mood...... Re. Distant Horizons: I'm having real problems liking this album - maybe because I enjoyed hearing all the live tracks live on tour more than studio renditions on this album - maybe because it seems so unfinished. Love in Space is an instrumental noodle. Kauai (however you spell it) is surely just another version of the "Wastelands" track which sounds utterly beautiful when played live but has not yet made it onto a CD where it sounds anything like as good as the stage version; Taxi for Max sounded as if it was going to be a kind of Pink Floyd track (was it "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast"?) but never developedand one of the tracks (can't remember which now but I'll check later) just seems to stop in mid-flow. The whole album to me sounds like an outtake recording of Hawkwind practising tracks in the studio before taking them on tour. The whole thing feels like a collection of good quality studio recordings gathered together and rushed out onto a CD, perhaps in response to our frequent impassioned appeals for "an album to go with the tour". Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should listen to it a few more times as the tour memories fade and I'll warm to it. But it's not up there with the best of them yet! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Nov 21 11:49:45 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:49:45 -0500 Subject: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <19971121054840811.AAB139@herbrose> from "herbert rosenberg" at Nov 20, 97 09:45:11 pm Message-ID: Sorry--I would have edited the subject line with "OFF", but my software wouldn't let me. :-( I think it's depressing and frightening that in 1997 people still believe in nonsense like "Satan" or "the Devil". That foolishness should have been left in the Dark Ages, where it originated. Evil is a human construct, not a supernatural one. As for death metal, etc., being an evil influence, you can say the same thing about almost any activity or act of expression. The long and the short of it is that evil or unbalanced people do evil and unbalanced things. You can't blame their actions on "evil influences", or "Satan". "The devil made me do it" is yet another excuse in that long human tradition of refusing to accept responsibility for one's own actions. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 21 13:25:40 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:25:40 -0700 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > Hold on! There's that indie-popster-UK-snot band, and there's a mexican > Cast that pops up in RMP... which one were you thinking of Pam? > > Christian Good question!! the cd I saw had 5 beaqtlish looking guys on the cover-one title was Saw (or something sawblade) with a circular saw blade on the cover. I should have3 written down the titles:)I guess I'll hafta look again:) Pam > > > > > > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: But Guido - the Devil does indeed exist :) Just not the way most paranoid religious or supersticious people think. Hehe. Christain From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Fri Nov 21 14:32:22 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (blyoung) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:32:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. Message-ID: > Sorry--I would have edited the subject line with "OFF", but my software > wouldn't let me. :-( > I think it's depressing and frightening that in 1997 people still believe > in nonsense like "Satan" or "the Devil". That foolishness should have been > left in the Dark Ages, where it originated. Evil is a human construct, not > a supernatural one. What makes 1997 so modern? Why should people in 1997 be any more enlightened than people in the Dark Ages? Just because we have better education, better communication, etc does not FORCE people to have enlightened opinions. Now, I disagree with you about Satan. It's your opinion that there is no such thing, so I don't know if you are an athiest or just an agnostic, or whatever, but it's just an opinion nonetheless. My opinion is different, but it's only valid to myself... I believe that there IS such a thing as the devil, but I don't agree with the common perception of a "goat horned redskinned wicked-laughing incarnation". I also believe in a God that is not a dispassionate, remote observer, but actually a loving God who cares about his people. So whatever, that not's the point. I wish you would just state your BELIEF, or your OPINION, instead of making the presumption that your opinion is scientific proof. Why use the word "foolishness"? Where are your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? > As for death metal, etc., being an evil influence, you can say the same > thing about almost any activity or act of expression. The long and the > short of it is that evil or unbalanced people do evil and unbalanced > things. You can't blame their actions on "evil influences", or "Satan". > "The devil made me do it" is yet another excuse in that long human > tradition of refusing to accept responsibility for one's own actions. Yeah, I agree with you here. Death metal is fine. I listen to it all the time (the good stuff anyways), and I don't think I feel compelled to show how "evil" I am. > Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 21 12:46:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:46:29 EDT Subject: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971121192443.0077fdf0@online.no> Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > But Guido - the Devil does indeed exist :) > Just not the way most paranoid religious > or supersticious people think. Hehe. > > Christain The devil for sure exists, isn't he masquerading as the Spice Girls? Or Paul McCartney, or Michael [ulp!] Jackson? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 21 12:50:16 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:50:16 EDT Subject: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <9711211649.AA13356@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: > From: Guido Vacano > > I think it's depressing and frightening that in 1997 people still believe > in nonsense like "Satan" or "the Devil". That foolishness should have been > left in the Dark Ages, where it originated. Evil is a human construct, not > a supernatural one. > Amen to that! Oops! > As for death metal, etc., being an evil influence, you can say the same > thing about almost any activity or act of expression. The long and the > short of it is that evil or unbalanced people do evil and unbalanced > things. You can't blame their actions on "evil influences", or "Satan". > "The devil made me do it" is yet another excuse in that long human > tradition of refusing to accept responsibility for one's own actions. > > Guido > Don't most of those death metal dudes simply use satanic trappings as a substitute for 'real' evil? I mean they employ that imagery and use satanic themes because if they did anything truly evil in life, they'd get thrown in jail. An outlet for the darker side without having to actually be dark... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 21 13:03:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:03:44 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <3475E1C6.480C@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: > From: blyoung > > > Now, I disagree with you about Satan. It's your opinion that there is > no such thing, so I don't know if you are an athiest or just an > agnostic, or whatever, but it's just an opinion nonetheless. My opinion > is different, but it's only valid to myself... > > I believe that there IS such a thing as the devil, but I don't agree > with the common perception of a "goat horned redskinned wicked-laughing > incarnation". I also believe in a God that is not a dispassionate, > remote observer, but actually a loving God who cares about his people. > > So whatever, that not's the point. I wish you would just state your > BELIEF, or your OPINION, instead of making the presumption that your > opinion is scientific proof. Why use the word "foolishness"? Where are > your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? > > Where's any proof that such an entity DOES exist? > > As for death metal, etc., being an evil influence, you can say the same > > thing about almost any activity or act of expression. The long and the > > short of it is that evil or unbalanced people do evil and unbalanced > > things. You can't blame their actions on "evil influences", or "Satan". > > "The devil made me do it" is yet another excuse in that long human > > tradition of refusing to accept responsibility for one's own actions. > To paraphrase Shakespeare and sundry other observers: the forces of evil [assuming such things exist] can only tempt us humans. We all have free will to behave as we see fit. And then bear the consequences for our actions. Modern American society is obsessed with victimization: putting the blame elsewhere for one's own actions. Hence the proliferation of support groups and twelve step programs. I'm sure there are guys out there who insist that being a pedophile is a disease, and that they are victims of a disease, and thus not responsible for thwie actions... > > Yeah, I agree with you here. Death metal is fine. I listen to it all > the time (the good stuff anyways), and I don't think I feel compelled to > show how "evil" I am. > > > > > Guido > > -- > If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com > --------------------------------------------------------- > Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! > --------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind > http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL > --------------------------------------------------------- > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 14:51:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:51:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <1CCADF87FA4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: I see Satan as a personal demon in us, and sometimes that side of us causes grief to others. I see God as as a uniting concept of everything, the glue that sticks the cosmos together and what may stick the minds of many together as well. I see neither as independent entities, nor do I believe in organized religion (what an oxymoron!) being capable of much, apart from achieving surface "good" or "bad" as opposed to individual enlightenement which I think is a unique process in each and every one of us. I bow to the logic of the universe and it's physical laws which is God's domain, however it doesen't mean I don't take the Devil by the hand elsewhere if I feel like it. I belong to no entity or organiziation, be it good or bad, but to myself. As for my body, it belongs to this Earth. Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 14:56:38 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:56:38 +0100 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <3475D223.289A7682@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 11:25 21.11.97 -0700, you wrote: >Good question!! the cd I saw had 5 beaqtlish looking guys on the cover-one title If they weren't wearing sombreros it was the UK band :-) (Actually, this reminds me of The Stairs' excellent "Mexican R&B" album/CD which does indeed have Beatlish looking guys on the cover with one guy wearing a sombrero!!) >was Saw (or something sawblade) with a circular saw blade on the cover. I should >have3 written down the titles:)I guess I'll hafta look again:) >Pam I don't know anything about the mexican Cast but I suspect they are pretty ho-hum derivative standard "Progrock". Christian From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 14:57:59 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:57:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: GONG (Re: Off: Music help) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971121180145.0076f434@online.no> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 97 at 18:01, Christian Mumford wrote: > At 10:24 21.11.97 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: > > >P.S. Anybody heard that Gong - You (remixed) CD yet?? > > YES! > > > Is it worthwhile, or > >is it just annoying crap like so-called 'remixed HW'. > > Definetly worthwile, and in a whole other sphere than that (mostly) > halfassed HW Solstice thingy. The Gong CD actually has BIG names > doing these mixes, like Orb, System 7, Shamen etc. and not a > struggling "has been" act like Utah Saints and and a bunch of > (deservedly) unknowns.... :) > Just a quick point. Luke Slater and The Advent, at least, are somwhat cooler than the above description would indicate. OK so HW material is perhaps not the most appropriate for techno style remixing, at least not without making the tunes unrecogniseable - but the Advent albums are some of the crackingest techno I have and Luke Slater does a lot of great stuff too. I can't recommend Advent enough if you like hard (uh - *very* hard actually), syncopated techno. > I'll put it this way - the original You always struck me as 20 years > ahead of its time both technologically and musically... the remix > brings it up from 1994 to 2014.... the Most Holy Magick Cosmic > Groove is preserved faithfully, and expanded upon... my faves here > would be the Mad Stof remix of "Master Builder" and System 7's "A > Sprinkling Of Clouds". System 7 happens to be a band in their own > right, which coincidentally consist of Steve Hillage and Miquette > Giraudy. > > The only negative thing I might have to say about it is that it's a > little unnecessary to have it as a double CD with with more remixes > of the same tracks, but still it's IMO worth every penny.... > > Christian > Thanks for the recommendation I've been looking for this album too. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 21 13:59:22 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:59:22 +1100 Subject: the truth is out there Message-ID: On Saturday, November 22, 1997 5:25 AM, Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > But Guido - the Devil does indeed exist :) Yes, and I've been dealing with him. And for some reason, my baby, well, quite frankly, she don't love me no more.... -=- Max Wilcox -=- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 21 14:06:37 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:06:37 +1100 Subject: the truth is out there Message-ID: On Saturday, November 22, 1997 4:50 AM, Ted Jackson jr. [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > Don't most of those death metal dudes simply use satanic trappings as > a substitute for 'real' evil? I mean they employ that imagery and > use satanic themes because if they did anything truly evil in life, > they'd get thrown in jail. An outlet for the darker side without > having to actually be dark... All those "oh-er aren't they satanic" bands such as Maralyn Manson realy only like to use that imagery so as to appear all nasty and "I wouldn't want *my* kids to listen to that music"-sort of thing. Speaking of Satan, the leader of the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey just died. Very dodgy organisation, actually. When you read a small amount of their literature, they say that the only reason that they use all the christian-based imagery is to be anti-establishment. But when you get down to the actual theories, they're just Nazis. Well, that's my opinion, anyway.... -=- Max Wilcox -=- From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Fri Nov 21 15:04:08 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:04:08 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971121182619.0077891c@online.no> Message-ID: On 21 Nov 97 at 18:26, Christian Mumford wrote: > At 10:10 21.11.97 -0700, The Rockin' Cabbie wrote: > >Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > >> ? > >> > >> IMHO, early Can is the best - _Monster Movie_, _Tago Mago_, _Ege Bamyasi_. > > > >they had some of their later stuff-I forget which now. wasn't any of these:) > > Steer clear of most post-1976 or so Can... at least that's my > advice... > I have the Can remixes album btw, I'd buy almost anything with a Carl Craig mix, but it's a mixed bag and frankly I enjoy the Jah Wobble/Holger Czukay stuff more. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 21 15:48:02 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:48:02 -0500 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Pam replies... >Christian Mumford wrote: > >> Hold on! There's that indie-popster-UK-snot band, and there's a mexican >> Cast that pops up in RMP... which one were you thinking of Pam? >> >> Christian > >Good question!! the cd I saw had 5 beaqtlish looking guys on the cover-one >title was Saw (or something sawblade) with a circular saw blade on the cover. I >should have written down the titles:)I guess I'll hafta look again:) >Pam Oops...I think you've got bands confused here...even beyond the Cast vs. Cast scenarion. Because Can has an album called 'Saw Delight' that has a circular saw blade on the cover. This must be what you're referring to. Was there any Cluster or Captain Beyond in that "Misc C" bin?? :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Cluster - Sowiesoso ObCD: Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond (now domestically available in the US) (Damn, and I paid something like $28 for a Japanese one...still worth it) P.S. Well, if that photo of 5 contains a dude with a huge handlebar moustache, and very strong Germanic features, that would be Holger Czukay of Can. By the way, did anyone go to see Czukay's solo shows here in the US a few months back?? From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Nov 21 15:55:03 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:55:03 -0500 Subject: Off: Bari and Bevis Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > > > And, whilst I'm here, can anybody shed some light on the "limited > release" Bevis Frond album _North Circular_ mentioned on Paul's (the > other Paul) Sonic Bilby latest news page (the one with the Distant > Horizons scan)? Will this be available via "the usual channels", or as > a mail-order only from Woronzow?? The November 3 update from the Freak Emporium (Delerium Records) lists North Circular in double CD or triple vinyl as well as Bari Watts new CD called Soul Catcher and also the new Adrian Shaw CD called Displaced Person.(with Bevis) I call from the US and order stuff from them often.Also, the Nik Turner - Xitinstoday as well as 1999 Party are in the mail to me from a US source > > > Hmm.. methinks it's time to hit Woronzow's WWW pages... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: (hardware still knackered). > > e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix -- Walk not the earth, but fly through space-HW From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 21 16:23:49 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:23:49 -0500 Subject: Off: Bari and Bevis In-Reply-To: <3475F527.12EDDB57@tiac.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Chris Raymond wrote: > The November 3 update from the Freak Emporium (Delerium Records) lists North > Circular in double CD or triple vinyl as well as Bari Watts new CD called Soul > Catcher and also the new Adrian Shaw CD called Displaced Person.(with Bevis) I call > from the US and order stuff from them often.Also, the Nik Turner - Xitinstoday as > well as 1999 Party are in the mail to me from a US source Actually, as a followup to my original message, I checked the Woronzow WWW site (http://www.thenerve2.com/woronzow/) and, apparently, it is only the 3LP version which is a limited release. The Ade Shaw and Bari Watts solo albums are also listed for sale. Cheers, Paul. obCD: (hardware still broken) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 21 16:21:14 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:21:14 -0600 Subject: Truth is Out there Message-ID: >Now, I disagree with you about Satan. It's your opinion that there is no such thing, so I don't know if you are an athiest or just an agnostic, or whatever, but it's just an opinion nonetheless. My opinion is different, but it's only valid to myself... >I believe that there IS such a thing as the devil, but I don't agree with the common perception of a "goat horned redskinned wicked-laughing incarnation". I also believe in a God that is not a dispassionate, remote observer, but actually a loving God who cares about his people Amen Mr. Young, well said. I wonder if Death Metal bands believe "the Devil made them do it." lil ab "Order my steps, in your Word." From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 17:40:35 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:40:35 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >Well, I don't think we'll find even one tune that all BOC-L members >equally like (or dislike). As for me, I quite like Gimme Shelter :) >Yury Elik And that is one of the better tracks. letting in the past, wave upon wave, spce is thier (plastine), that alvent one (can't spell the name off hand but last track side 2) and gimme Shelter. Best tracks on the album IMHO. And I must post my rating lsit of the real aduio gig and the new album when I get hold of what I wrote, not on me at present becuase I then want to see if people disagree. Be very interesting whihc everyone liking different tracks but does everyone agree that reptiod visiosn if the best track on the new album and that Wycan canon drive is the worst on the album? Or does someone think the total oppersite? Whihc will probably be the case. But I just love the beinign of verse 2 on reptiod visions where the effect goes into on vocals And they add effect on to the start of his vocals as well. So spacy! in fact when I first haerd hawkwidn from my borther all I could say was "it's the effects". being a sci-fi fan it's no wonder but they were good and here I am now saying the same thing aobut the new album. It's the effects. Timmy Langner From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Nov 21 17:43:17 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:43:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Ron no Bob! (was: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971121000523.00767244@online.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Nov 21, 97 00:05:23 am Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > > At 17:18 20.11.97 -0500, Steve Swann wrote: > > >How strange. I think Tree is the best thing to happen to Hawkwind's > >live show in years (haven't heard him yet on album). > > As a zany punk frontman, yes I agree. Blew me away at the Limelight '95 > since I had no clue who he was and he put on a truly exciting act. I was at that same show, and he blew me away, too. He claims he was drugged out of his skull (to the point of not being aware of his actions at times) during that show - and I don't have any problem believing it. ;-) But that doesn't detract one bit from my enjoyment of his performance. > > I love the fact > >that he brings a lot of Calvert's work back into the mix, and I think > >he does it with a real flair for the poetic/dramatic element in > >Calvert's spoken word pieces - something that's very hard to do well. > >I tend to see poetic recitations during rock concerts as being fairly > >ridiculous in general, and only a certain combination of audacity, > >showmanship, and inner conviction will carry it off well. Calvert had > >it. I think Tree has it, too. > > Ron Tree = poetic flair???? Are you losing your mind? :) > The guy is about as poetic as slamming headfirst into a brick > wall at 200 mph with The Knack blaring at full volume!!! Calvert had a > sinister delivery, was a twisted crazy maniacal bastard, whereas > Tree is but a mere Hawk-sapling who's poetic achievments go no further > than Robotussin induced X-Files quotes scribbled on a high school lavatory > wall! Still, that can be enjoyable enough, I enjoy alot of awful poetry > myself! (not to mention post my own on BOC-L...) > > I wouldn't even place Tree and Calvert together in one sentence (OOOPS!!!) Let me be very clear here: I was refering to Tree's delivery of Calvert's poems, in concert, which I thought was excellent. I have no knowledge of Tree's own writings, or how he comes across on record. > Well, all his corny alien stuff on Alien 4 is IMHO pretty unlistenable, > and I certainly *can* appreciate bad comic book writing, awful sci-fi > flicks, crappy Hawklords novels - u-name it, dear god, I can't keep a > straight face even looking at that CD... let alone play it... every now > and then I put it on, and then violently take it off in giggle-induced > fits of madness! Sounds almost worth picking up, just for that. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 17:46:11 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:46:11 GMT Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: >I do wonder about one thing though, > after listening to a tape Richard Chadwick called "the new > album" during the US tour there have been several songs > added/deleted. Two very exciting psychedelic tunes were > dropped and replaced with average ones. I was very pleased > about this new direction since its what I listen to the most > at this point in my life. They would have fit, bringing the time > from around 50 minutes up to 65 or so. I guess one could > argue that thematically they don't match, but hey DH is > kinda a mixed bag anyway. I hope these songs see the > light of day soon. No chance you menaged to get a cpy of thse soongs or anything? Dobut it but how many were there. 2 or more nad do you knwo nay detials about them. Sound interesting. Well now hawkwind have there own web site we can lobby them fro them to be realised. Perpahs they will end up na Pschadlic warlords album? Still havn't heard the frist one jet. Just ddnt know ti existed for a while until I saw 2 albums I didn't have in a record shp. locals ones were no good. > Anyone figured out the words to Phatamine Street? Does any one have the words to song of the germlin? or some fo the captina razzi stuff which has been done live? >-- >Doug Bates Timmy Langner From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Nov 21 17:51:25 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:51:25 -0500 Subject: Ron no Bob! In-Reply-To: <199711211234.MAA19862@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Nov 21, 97 12:34:01 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Dave Berry writes: > > > On 20 Nov 22:29, Max Wilcox wrote: > > > I'd agree that Ron is not even in the same universe as Bob > > > > I think he does Bob's songs very well live. His own lyrics are > > completely different of course, but I'd rather he did his own thing > > lyrically than tried to imitate Bob. > > Unfortunately on the Moorcock tracks "Warriors" and "Sonic Attack" I > found his voice too weak to carry them off. Perhaps Captain Rizz might At the recent NYC show, he did those, and I thought he did a great job. Actually, Sonic was "good" and Warriors was "excellent". His voice was quite strong, maybe the air in the States agrees with him? Or maybe he was wretchedly ill, as Hawkwind always claims to be when they're touring the US (that's why we never get an encore, right?), and having the flu made his voice rough enough for the part? ;-) > have made a better job of these? Apart from "The Camera That Could Lie" > I thought Rizz detracted from, rather than added to, the gigs. He's ok on Camera that Could Lie. Aside from that, I see him as no worse a distraction than a lot of things I've seen in HW videos (fire-eaters and the dancer in the tutu from _Live Legends_, the guy miming the part of Elric in the _CotBS_ video). ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Nov 21 17:24:31 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:24:31 +1100 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: On Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:46 AM, langner timothy [SMTP:96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK] wrote: > Does any one have the words to song of the germlin? I focused the magnifying glass that brought the downfall of Icarus. Baloons were easy, a simple pin, or a knife in the case of the zeppelin. That blade was the cause of many a prang, in the early days of stick and string. I am the gremlin, I was there, making mischief in the air, and always will be wherever man flies in the face of creation's plan. - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters And that's from memory :-) If you don't have Captain Lockheed - get it. That's all there is about it. In fact, if you don't have all of Calvert's solo albums, get them too. Then get all the things he did with other people, too. And then go and get all the concert recordings you can find with him performing. You can have a bit of a sit down after that. -=- Max Wilcox -=- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Nov 21 19:26:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:26:20 +0100 Subject: Truth is Out there Message-ID: At 03:21 PM 11/21/97 -0600, you wrote: > >I wonder if Death Metal bands believe "the Devil made them do it." > >lil ab > Hey, come on... they don't believe it's devil "that made them do it"... they know who's to blame... everything is of course Steve's fault! :-) mvh - Diablo Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 21 19:43:23 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:43:23 GMT Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:24:31 +1100 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > On Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:46 AM, langner timothy > [SMTP:96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK] wrote: > > > Does any one have the words to song of the germlin? > > I focused the magnifying glass that brought the downfall of Icarus. > Baloons were easy, a simple pin, or a knife in the case of the zeppelin. > That blade was the cause of many a prang, in the early days of stick and > string. > I am the gremlin, I was there, making mischief in the air, > and always will be wherever man flies in the face of creation's plan. > > - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters > > And that's from memory :-) by heck! I've just checked the lyrics - Very good!! That's Gremlin Part 1 is it not? Actually I think that Hawkwind at the moment are doing a small section from the end of Gremlin Part Two (or maybe some edited chunks before the last few lines - I haven't checked it against the full lyrics yet). The complete lyrics follow below....... But it's also confession time - and I have to admit that the combination of keyboards and guitar and voice just as this track comes to an end during a live performance is quite beautiful. The almost symphonic culmination of the track is (for me!) one of the nicest sounds I've ever heard from the band. Every time I hear it I wish they'd continue it for another 15 mins or more. Wonderful sound - but lyrics are really sorta nasty! I dunno much about Death Metal but it reads just like a track that genre of band ought to be playing! The Gremlin (Part Two) Death to engines in the air chaos take the human wing death to jet and turbo prop death to stick and death to string ruin to the fuselage destruction to the aerolon death to the pilot and his breed whose daring still goes on and on no mercy for the rudder bar no mercy for the tail plane a singe for the handle-bar mustache cremation for the bone-domed brain death to rockets into space chaos take the human egg death to telescopic sight death to radar and fire to flag ruin to portholes filled with stars destruction to the airlock's catch death to the spaceman and his craft its ugly landing legs despatch. No mercy for the hot-air balloons no mercy for the thread and kite holes for the gliders canvas skin cramp for the bird man at his height. > If you don't have Captain Lockheed - get it. That's all there is about it. > In fact, if you don't have all of Calvert's solo albums, get them too. Then > get all the things he did with other people, too. And then go and get all > the concert recordings you can find with him performing. You can have a bit > of a sit down after that. > While agreeing with all of the above I'd be inclined to pass on the chance to listen to Test Tube Conceived. Skip this one, find a large chair to curl up in beside the fire, pour yourself a mug or glass of your favourite choice of beverage and read "Hype" the book instead 8-) > -=- Max Wilcox -=- > jill obsuccess> finding the text of an obscure opera written by J.M.Barrie and A. Conan-Doyle on a Web page when all conventional enquiries by telephone had failed 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 19:49:38 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:49:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Ron no Bob! (was: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your In-Reply-To: <199711212243.RAA29951@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 17:43 21.11.97 -0500, the REAL Steve Swann wrote: >I was at that same show, and he blew me away, too. He claims he was >drugged out of his skull (to the point of not being aware of his >actions at times) during that show - and I don't have any problem >believing it. ;-) But that doesn't detract one bit from my enjoyment >of his performance. Oh definetly. The more out their minds the Hawks are on stage the better! I was just smoking a little pot and downing some beers trying to figure out what my ex-skate punk turned hippy neighbor I brought along thought about it! (actually, the bass player in NY band The Swales who put out a few decent albums). Not sure what he thought :) I however loved it! >Let me be very clear here: I was refering to Tree's delivery of >Calvert's poems, in concert, which I thought was excellent. I have no >knowledge of Tree's own writings, or how he comes across on record. Well, his delivery too. He's just too goofy. Calvert could deliver his (at times) goofy poetry and make it sinister as hell. As for Calvert's actual poetry vs. Tree's, Calvert communicated beyond the imagery and touched on the human condition and social commentary. Tree's lyrics are just vapid IMO. Moorcock can be sinister, but stuff like his Warrior garble is IMO just awful. Bainbridge on the other hand is damn near as creepy as Calvert, and wrote some excellent pieces in his time as well. The hawks need Bainbridge back!!!! >> Well, all his corny alien stuff on Alien 4 is IMHO pretty unlistenable, every now >> and then I put it on, and then violently take it off in giggle-induced >> fits of madness! > >Sounds almost worth picking up, just for that. ;-) Well, just for the cool hippy dippy artwork and a couple of songs it's worth it. Depends on how completist you are. I don't like the tinny sound on it much..... nor the halfass rerecording of Death Trap. Christian NP: Neu!75 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 21 20:23:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:23:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Uncle Bob Calvert (Re: HW: DH vs. ...) In-Reply-To: <199711220043.AAA01621@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 00:43 22.11.97 GMT, you wrote: > >While agreeing with all of the above I'd be inclined to pass on the >chance to listen to Test Tube Conceived. Skip this one, find a large >chair to curl up in beside the fire, pour yourself a mug or glass of >your favourite choice of beverage and read "Hype" the book instead 8-) Looking forward to it!!!! :) Though I don't see what's wrong with TTC, I quite like it (tho I have yet to own the Hype album). I should be getting that and Blueprints soon though. I have Capt Lockheed and Lucky Leif - the former is great, music wise, but 90% of the attempts at humour make me cringe (and I'm a BIG fan of British humour!). Lucky Leif is so strange it's good only when in the mood for it. The Queen Elizabeth live album is fun. What is the Revisited comp on Anagram? Just stuff from his other albums? Also, what's with the Cleopatra remix of Freq? And what's the difference between Freq and Freq Revisited???? Someone care to give me a lowdown on all this Freq business? Christian From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Fri Nov 21 23:32:35 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (blyoung) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:32:35 -0800 Subject: OFF: Re: Reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: --> From: blyoung > > > Now, I disagree with you about Satan. It's your opinion that there is > no such thing, so I don't know if you are an athiest or just an > agnostic, or whatever, but it's just an opinion nonetheless. My opinion > is different, but it's only valid to myself... > > I believe that there IS such a thing as the devil, but I don't agree > with the common perception of a "goat horned redskinned wicked-laughing > incarnation". I also believe in a God that is not a dispassionate, > remote observer, but actually a loving God who cares about his people. > > So whatever, that not's the point. I wish you would just state your > BELIEF, or your OPINION, instead of making the presumption that your > opinion is scientific proof. Why use the word "foolishness"? Where are > your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? > > >> Where's any proof that such an entity DOES exist? OK, great argument, but I never said it was a FACT that there is an entity we call the devil. I said I believe in him. I didn't make any presumptions about myself being correct. Therefore, I don't need any proof to back up my opinion. If the original poster had stated his "opinion" as such, then I would not have asked him for proof. Instead, he stated his opinion as though it were veritable credence. Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Nov 21 22:11:06 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:11:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <34766063.33D1@bigfoot.com> from "blyoung" at Nov 21, 97 08:32:35 pm Message-ID: Bryan says-- > If the original poster had stated his "opinion" as such, then I would > not have asked him for proof. I did state my opinion. What do you want, a whole string of IMHOs? :-P > Instead, he stated his opinion as though > it were veritable credence. That is merely your opinion. And you are welcome to it. :-) Guido (the original poster) From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Nov 22 02:29:38 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:29:38 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: > >First of all, am I correct in assuming that 1999 has yet to be >released Stateside? >2nd, doesn't Damon Capehart live in the US? >3rd, didn't Carl write a beautiful, mouth-watering review? > >I think Damon, by cutting up Carl's note, was taking a little >revenge the now-residing-in-England Carl, for himself and the rest >of us Americans! >Thank you, Damon! Erm... no comment. [*sigh* :-? ] Yeah, you've said enough already... :) BTW, Mike Coleman is getting back on the ball again. He was as depressed as anyone would be for missing StrangeDaze. I should be getting my copies of DH and 1999 soon. Damon How much is Mike asking for these? Thanks, Charlie From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 21 19:49:28 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:49:28 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <34755057.9267CFD9@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 02:11 21/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all! >out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music >stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc >Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". "Jon Luc Pony"????? :^P I presume.... >My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any recomendations here? The earlier albums are the best. A good introduction is "Cannibalism". I think there may have been others since, but the first Cannibalism was a sampler drawn from their UA period (yup, same label as the Hawks). Otherwise, the essential albums are (in approximate chronological order): Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Soundtracks, Ege Bamyasi, Soon Over Babaluma & Future Days. It's difficult to truly describe Can - two members from the Darmstadt classical avant-garde (students of Stockhausen no less), a jazz drummer, a guitarist from an equally unlikely source. The first singer was a deranged (draft-avoiding) American, the second an equally deranged Japanese. The albums were recorded in their own studio (Inner Space) which was first located in the Schloss Norvenich, and subsequently in a disused cinema. They are most renowned for long, hypnotic group improvisations driven along by Jaki Liebezeit's extraordinary pulsebeat drumming. By SOB & FD, the music was less confrontational, but more hypnotic. "Unlimited Edition", "Delay:1968" & "Prehistoric Future" are interesting collections of outtakes, "Landed" is OK, "Saw Delight", "Can" & "Out Of Reach" are rather dull on the whole (esp. "OoR"). Since they ceased to function as a unit, the individual members have produced a lot of interesting work - from personal experience, Ican recommend the first of Irmin Schmidt's "FilmMusik" albums, Holger Czukay's "Movies (amazing cut-up/collage work done the hard way (pre-sampler) with tape & razor blade) & Jaki Liebezeit's "Phantom Band". >They also had "Cast"-what are they like? "BritPop" I quite like them, but they are nothing very special - identikit boys withguitars paying snappy little 3 minute songs... really like Edward >K-Spell's vocals. any reccommendations there? >Thanx!! >Pam > >-- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" Chhers, ChrisW ObCD:Kronos Quartet/Philip Glass String Quartets From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 21 20:05:07 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:05:07 +0000 Subject: Off: Sad Music Industry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: lil ab wrote: >The biggest problem cited in the article was that few, if any, of the >major labels are independent business; most are owned by large >conglomerates with an eye on the bottom line. Sad, when artist ran this >industry we got art, with coporations running the show we are getting >"whats hot at the moment". >-- snip --< Thjis isn't really new, I think the trend started back with FleetwoodMac/Rumours and some of the ludicrous deals that came in the wake. It's coming to light now (I think) because the lack of investment in "new talent" back then has resulted in a much narrower range of "upper mid" acts who would consistently sell albums, even though they wouldn't go straight to the top of the charts. Here in Britain I'm reminded of this by the sort of stuff that's showing up on the "reissue" labels like BGO, See For Miles & Castle - often from the back catalogues of labels like Charisma/B&C, Chrysalis, Island (when it WAS Island)... Get my drift? Cheers, ChrisW ObSound: "Do you want some tea?" = Mrs. W Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 21 20:14:12 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:14:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <1CCADF87FA4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 14:03 21/11/97 EDT, you wrote: >> >To paraphrase Shakespeare and sundry other observers: the forces of >evil [assuming such things exist] can only tempt us humans. We all >have free will to behave as we see fit. And then bear the >consequences for our actions. Modern American society is obsessed >with victimization: putting the blame elsewhere for one's own >actions. Hence the proliferation of support groups and twelve step >programs. I'm sure there are guys out there who insist that being a >pedophile is a disease, and that they are victims of a disease, and >thus not responsible for thwie actions... > That is a wonderfully succinct summary of the state of the world: The Monty Python crew were way ahead of their time (as usual) with their "I did it, but society is to blame" routine. I also think that the rise of repressive, moralistic attitudes in the worlds of politics & The media will only aggravate this (but I have some pretty weird ideas *G*) ChrisW From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Nov 22 05:22:28 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:22:28 -0700 Subject: Off: Music help Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > At 02:11 21/11/97 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi all! > >out of lurk mode again! I was making my usual foray into the music > >stores today, got Wolfstone's " Half Tail" (Excellent) and Jon-Luc > >Pony's "Cosmic Messenger". > > "Jon Luc Pony"????? :^P I presume... I misspelled-and didn't look up!! Jon-Luc Ponty I meant:) > . > > >My question is-Saw a couple of "Can" Cd's-any recomendations here? > > The earlier albums are the best. A good introduction is "Cannibalism". I > think there may have been others since, but the first Cannibalism was a > sampler drawn from their UA period (yup, same label as the Hawks). > > Otherwise, the essential albums are (in approximate chronological order): > Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Soundtracks, Ege Bamyasi, Soon Over Babaluma & > Future Days. It's difficult to truly describe Can - two members from the > Darmstadt classical avant-garde (students of Stockhausen no less), a jazz > drummer, a guitarist from an equally unlikely source. The first singer > was a deranged (draft-avoiding) American, the second an equally deranged > Japanese. The albums were recorded in their own studio (Inner Space) which > was first located in the Schloss Norvenich, and subsequently in a disused > cinema. They are most renowned for long, hypnotic group improvisations > driven along by Jaki Liebezeit's extraordinary pulsebeat drumming. By SOB > & FD, the music was less confrontational, but more hypnotic. > > > "Saw Delight", "Can" & "Out Of > Reach" are rather dull on the whole - these are the ones they had-guess I'll spend my $$ on the HW I saw instead-but they don't have the new ones:(>They also had "Cast"-what are they like? > "BritPop" I quite like them, but they are nothing very special - identikit > boys withguitars paying snappy little 3 minute songs... ugh. I really have trouble listening to that sort-I prefer the long dreamy and or concept stuff. Not trying to sound pretentious here btw :-)Pam > > > really like Edward > >K-Spell's vocals. any reccommendations there? > >Thanx!! > >Pam > > > >-- > > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > > > O O "THE INTERNET" > > Chhers, > ChrisW > ObCD:Kronos Quartet/Philip Glass String Quartets -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Keith Henderson wrote: > Oops...I think you've got bands confused here...even beyond the Cast vs. > Cast scenarion. Because Can has an album called 'Saw Delight' that has a > circular saw blade on the cover. This must be what you're referring to. yup:) > Was there any Cluster or Captain Beyond in that "Misc C" bin?? :) actually, there was-did I miss something here?Pam > Keith H. (FAA) > > ObCD: Cluster - Sowiesoso > ObCD: Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond (now domestically available in the US) > (Damn, and I paid something like $28 for a Japanese one...still worth it) that good, huh?P > > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool >Daniel Wikdahl writes: > >> I've seen it now... ehrm... it's better than the "this-URL-does-not-work-shit" >> I saw first... ehrm... and it looks far better than I could imagine >> after I'd followed the Brits postings... IMHO it's rather sober... My complaints about the artwork are aimed less at the front cover than at the overall booklet and in particular the back cover. As I said before, the whole thing just looks like another dodgy compilation with very little time spent on it. Certainly not up to the usual standard. Nowhere near in fact... even if you don't *like* the last few covers/booklets, at least they'd had some *time* spent on them. This still looks to me like a "get the in-house designer to hastily stick something together" job! And if HW themselves are voicing objections to it, then I bet it was! Dave From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat Nov 22 11:30:58 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:30:58 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:29:38 -0800 herbert rosenberg wrote: >Damon said: >>BTW, Mike Coleman is getting back on the ball again. He was as >> depressed as anyone would be for missing StrangeDaze. I should be >> getting my copies of DH and 1999 soon. >> Damon > > How much is Mike asking for these? Not sure about 1999, but I seem to remember less than $20 for DH, but don't hold me to that. His first few copies had to be a bit more because he got them from a more expensive supplier, but soon he should be getting them a bit more directly (therefore, more cheaply). Damon From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Nov 22 11:20:13 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:20:13 -0700 Subject: Distant Horizons cover Message-ID: >This still looks to me like a "get the in-house >designer to hastily stick something together" job! And if HW themselves are >voicing objections to it, then I bet it was! > >Dave A picture of an insect for Reptoid Vision? Tire tracks, which have absolutely nothing to do with the lyrics to Wheels? Etc, etc. Love that color scheme, though. I think Phetamine Street will have to take a few listens to grow on me, but then again so did Ship Of Dreams, which I now like quite a bit. Interesting to see Love In Space go from an instrumental to a full-blown song with a middle interlude back to an instrumental, albeit a completely different one... Kevin Sommers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 22 07:17:01 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:17:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <3475E1C6.480C@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: In article <3475E1C6.480C at bigfoot.com>, blyoung writes > Where are >your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? That's not how it works, though. The burden of proof is on the claimant. Where is your scientific proof that Venus is not inhabited by pink elephants? It's up to you to establish your point. Where is your scientific proof that Satan exists? But then, you're not talking about anything scientific anyway. -- Jon From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Nov 22 12:44:19 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:44:19 GMT Subject: HW : Too long albums (was NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!!!) (Forward) Message-ID: >undefined, but certainly NOT love-songs. i absolutely agree with the notion >that the content of this song is nothing like what i'd expect from HW. also >the new ep version is downright embarrassing. but the version they were >doing circa 95-96 had a nice dreamy affect live. And the best version I've heard was the one on VH-1. during the guitar solo inbetween verses (which I havn't heard on any other version) they had a great backing and it was nice. I like dremay hawkwind songs and I don't care what the words are about as long as the tune fits. After all I'm not into drugs but I still like songs like LSD, Hassian I shaba etc. The new EP was great, had some really good tracks on it .... Lord of light and sonic attack. Can't think why the other one was incldued. I suspsoe just to allow me to have a more complete hawkwind collection. >i think it sux without davey. the vocals between dave and alan made the >song. It was good then but I had a recent version where daves voice was brooming out and it sounded really good with the backing and stuff. No echo either. I still wonder why I liked it becuase that ehco adds to it a lot. But I think it had sometihng to do with Jerry's playing a tune on his guitar at same time. I've noticed recently the end of the chourss have had a few notes changed and it doesn't sound as good. >still, its nice because it gets dave to sing. >only my opinion of course. >rj Well if you get ride of Ron then I suspose dave would have to sing, unless he got richard to do some more? Would't mind hearing a bit more from richard. Timmy Langner From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Nov 22 13:48:30 1997 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (blyoung) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:48:30 -0800 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: >> Where are >>your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? > >That's not how it works, though. The burden of proof is on the claimant. OK, I'm not the claimant. I'm not standing there saying that the devil is real or false. I gave my opinion and said it was only an opinion. He's the one claiming there is no devil. Therefore, he should prove it. If he gets proof, then my opinion will be easily swayed. > >Where is your scientific proof that Venus is not inhabited by pink >elephants? It's up to you to establish your point. Where is your >scientific proof that Satan exists? I am NOT claiming that Satan exists, so I shouldn't have to prove anything. I said that I don't know, but I like to believe it. > >But then, you're not talking about anything scientific anyway. > Yes, I'm not!!! That's the whole point of my message. The problem with the internet is that sarcasm really doesn't carry well. Read my original message, and you'll see that my message is very sarcastic. He says that "in 1997 we should not have any more people dealing with foolishness like the devil". And my point was that why should 1997 be any more enlightened than any other era. Did anybody reply to that???? NO! Everybody and his dog replies to the fact that I said my personal opinion was that the devil exists and if he wants his personal opinion to masquerade as scientific canon then he'd better have proof. Why didn't at least ONE person clue in to the point that I made a very pointed criticism at the ignorance of our times, despite the advances we've made in world communication, education, literacy, etc? It seems like everybody is so anti-Religion that they missed the first statement which set the tone of my message and jumped on the indignant reply bandwagon. Anyways, if my personal beliefs work for me, I can't expect them to work for you unless you think like I do. And obviously you don't. I'm not trying to force you to do anything, but I have found a God that is loving and I didn't find him in a church but I did find him in the Bible, which also tells me about the devil. Works for me, but I'm not asking you to believe likewise. If all the sheep in the world become trained to deny the possibility of a higher power, then great. But at least have REASONS for making this choice. Otherwise they're just sheep. Sheep #455321: "In 1997, you'd think people would not believe in the devil" Free-thinker: "Why should 1997 be so special?" Sheep #455321: "Well, EVERYBODY knows the devil is foolish." Free-thinker: "I believe in the devil. Just my opinion, but where's your proof if you think there is none?" Sheep #110203: "He doesn't have to prove it! You do!" Sheep #667313: "You PROVE that there IS a devil first!" Sheep #455321: "The devil is foolishness!" Free-thinker: "What about my original statement: 1997 is not special in terms of enlightenment. Look at you sheep! You all think the same things!!!!!" Sheep #193211: "What! There is no devil! You are weird!" Sheep #556921: "There is no devil AD NAUSEUM" Sorry to rant like this. I am currently feeling misunderstood, though. Bryan -- --------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com --------------------------------------------------------- Visit these webpages! Everybody else is doing it! --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 Science Fiction http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL --------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Nov 22 13:08:41 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:08:41 GMT Subject: DH artwork (wasRe: HW: Swindon show) (Forward) Message-ID: Maybe after trying fancy digipaks on _Alien 4_ >and _Love in Space_, they thought they'd have a go at a "no-frills" package >at a lower price this time? Actualy I was surprised at the cost of the CD most are more expensive than that I was expecing to pay 15UKP so it was a nice change becuase I bought a copy brand new which is sometihng I don't do that often. >_1999 Party_ comes in a smashing package, but in your other post you say that >it's too expensive for you... there's no pleasing some people! :) > >- Andy I can easily be pleased. Issue all things on record and failing that - tape. However in this day and age a bit more colour doesn't cost that much more? Even if it's just the same pattern but in the colours they use in their laser show. Would look better and I really like the colorus of their laser show. And as for the 1999 space tour CD I wouldn't be comlaining if it had been relaised on record. Then although bigger packeging (:)))))) ) it would probably be cheaper! But yes nice packgeing and that does put the price up so it would be worth it just can't afford to pay that amount in one go. Which is why I like the idea of records and tpaes being issued but it seems they don't (EMI and EBS). Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Nov 22 13:11:23 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:11:23 GMT Subject: Alian reissue? Message-ID: According to virgin Megstores a new hawkwind album called Alien has been iussed on 17th novemebr on record and CD. Orginaly I wondered what it was but when they mentioned it on the day of releaise I realsied it can only be the orginal alien album, reissued. Havn't heard anything offical though. Virgin seemed to know more about this alien issue than the 1997 party album AND the NEW Hawkwind album. That was on 2 seprate osccions when they didn't know what new CD I was talking about but certinaly new of this alien issue (they didn't reffer to it as a reissue). Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat Nov 22 13:22:27 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:22:27 GMT Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) Message-ID: >Yes, at 19.99! That's great value for such an excellant album. This >isn't some "play once and forget" thing! Easily worth, what, 3 or 4 >hours wages? I call that a bargain (The best I ever HADDDDDDDDDDD!!!!! - >sorry, Who reference slipped out) >Jon I'm sure it is worth the price but I don't work, I'm a student living of parents money so can't go out and spent 19.99 in one go. Had they issued it on record (no doubt cheaper) I would have probably borught it instead of the new hawkwind album becuase, well, hawkwind in early/mid 70s is my favourit period. Even though they sound very good today. Timmy Langner PS shame they don't have any videos form that period to issue? Juat imagen a 74 gig on video? Would be awsome. and having never seen them live until now even better. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 22 12:37:25 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:37:25 +1100 Subject: Uncle Bob Calvert (Re: HW: DH vs. ...) Message-ID: On Saturday, November 22, 1997 12:23 PM, Christian Mumford [SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] wrote: > At 00:43 22.11.97 GMT, you wrote: > > > > >While agreeing with all of the above I'd be inclined to pass on the > >chance to listen to Test Tube Conceived. Skip this one, find a large > >chair to curl up in beside the fire, pour yourself a mug or glass of > >your favourite choice of beverage and read "Hype" the book instead 8-) > > Looking forward to it!!!! :) Though I don't see what's wrong with TTC, > I quite like it (tho I have yet to own the Hype album). I LOVE Test Tube. I don't see what's wrong with it, apart from perhaps the total reliance on synths, which could turn some people off. > I should > be getting that and Blueprints soon though. This is one of my all time favorites! > I have Capt Lockheed and > Lucky Leif - the former is great, music wise, but 90% of the attempts at > humour make me cringe (and I'm a BIG fan of British humour!). Sorry to be one of those "I disagree with everything" sort of people at the moment, but I find it all quite funny. G FOR GERMANY!!! > Lucky Leif > is so strange it's good only when in the mood for it. The Queen > Elizabeth live album is fun. What is the Revisited comp on Anagram? I don't know what this is - what's it called? > Just > stuff from his other albums? Also, what's with the Cleopatra remix of > Freq? And what's the difference between Freq and Freq Revisited???? > Someone care to give me a lowdown on all this Freq business? There's no difference, as far as I can tell. I think Cleopatra just slapped new cover artwork on it, put Lord of the Hornets and Greenfly and the Rose on the end, and stuck a "revisited" in the title. -=- Max Wilcox -=- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 22 12:43:49 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:43:49 +1100 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: On Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:43 AM, J Strobridge [SMTP:eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > Skip this one, find a large > chair to curl up in beside the fire, pour yourself a mug or glass of > your favourite choice of beverage and read "Hype" the book instead 8-) Well, that only goes for the lucky people who actually *have* the book.... I'd give quite a lot to actually find a copy of this book. I think I'd also pay a ridiculous amount of money for it. It's also probable that I'd remove limbs if it meant that it were only slightly more likely that I'd get this book. No doubt I've said this before, but if anyone sees this 2nd hand, I will pay a pretty penny (or many pretty pennies) to get it. The likelyhood of finding Hype 2nd hand in Australia, is about as likely as finding an origional vynl copy of New Worlds Fair in an out of the way record shop. -=- Max Wilcox -=- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 22 12:46:10 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:46:10 +1100 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) Message-ID: On Sunday, November 23, 1997 5:22 AM, langner timothy [SMTP:96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK] wrote: > PS shame they don't have any videos form that period to issue? Juat imagen a > 74 gig on video? Would be awsome. and having never seen them live until now > even better. Or - Space Ritual on video. Excuse me while my braincells melt. -=- Max Wilcox -=- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 22 10:32:10 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:32:10 +0000 Subject: Off: Music help In-Reply-To: <199711212009.UAA02327@camelot.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: Alasdair wrote: >On 21 Nov 97 at 18:26, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> At 10:10 21.11.97 -0700, The Rockin' Cabbie wrote: >> >Andrew Gilham wrote: >> > >> >> ? >> >> >> >> IMHO, early Can is the best - _Monster Movie_, _Tago Mago_, _Ege Bamyasi_. >> > >> >they had some of their later stuff-I forget which now. wasn't any of these:) >> >> Steer clear of most post-1976 or so Can... at least that's my >> advice... >> > >I have the Can remixes album btw, I'd buy almost anything with a Carl >Craig mix, but it's a mixed bag and frankly I enjoy the Jah >Wobble/Holger Czukay stuff more. > > Bit of a technical problem with Can "remixes" - most of the original material was only two-track anyway, so a lot of the remixes are as much bolt-ons as anything! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "May those who love us. Love us. And those that don't love us May God turn their hearts. And if, He doesn't turn their hearts May He turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 22 10:35:19 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:35:19 +0000 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) In-Reply-To: <01BCF728.739DB880.s333271@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: At 09:24 22/11/97 +1100, you wrote: >On Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:46 AM, langner timothy >[SMTP:96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK] wrote: > >> Does any one have the words to song of the germlin? > >I focused the magnifying glass that brought the downfall of Icarus. >Baloons were easy, a simple pin, or a knife in the case of the zeppelin. >That blade was the cause of many a prang, in the early days of stick and >string. >I am the gremlin, I was there, making mischief in the air, >and always will be wherever man flies in the face of creation's plan. > > - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters > > And that's from memory :-) > If you don't have Captain Lockheed - get it. That's all there is about it. Abso-****in'-lutely - a truly indispensible album. ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "May those who love us. Love us. And those that don't love us May God turn their hearts. And if, He doesn't turn their hearts May He turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Nov 22 18:50:21 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:50:21 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: > > How much is Mike asking for these? > > Not sure about 1999, but I seem to remember less than $20 for DH, but > don't hold me to that. His first few copies had to be a bit more because > he got them from a more expensive supplier, but soon he should be getting > them a bit more directly (therefore, more cheaply). > > Damon Thanks, Damon. Would someone mind posting Coleman's phone number? I must admit, I'm rather tired of the old UA stuff now, and have been more into the '80s stuff lately (and a little '90s--I think TBT is the best of the decade, though I haven't heard Alien 4 or DT). So 1999 is just what I need now... Thanks, Charlie From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Nov 22 17:56:16 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:56:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <347728FE.256B@bigfoot.com> from "blyoung" at Nov 22, 97 10:48:30 am Message-ID: Mr. blyoung-- I HUMBLY apologize for not answering your post sooner (how's THAT for sarcasm?), but my beaver account was on the fritz, and I tried to send a reply using my ibm account. Unfortunately, boc-l will only accept posts from my beaver account, so you never had the joyous experience of reading my reply. Here then, is my reply in all its glory. BTW, the name is "Guido", not "he", not "the original poster", not any convenient anonymous term you come up with. Is that clear? I hope so. In addition, should you feel the need to beat up on me with your acerbic wit, please email me directly. This topic is wasting bandwidth. Guido -------------- blyoung wrote: > What makes 1997 so modern? Compared to the Dark Ages you mean? I would think that is obvious. > Why should people in 1997 be any more > enlightened than people in the Dark Ages? Just because we have better > education, better communication, etc does not FORCE people to have > enlightened opinions. You can lead a horse to water . . . true. People often remain unenlightened by choice. This is in contrast to the Dark Ages where there wasn't much choice. It seems reasonable to me that, presented with the tremendous educational opportunities we have today, that many people, if not most, would take advantage of these opportunities. But, there are those who do not have access to these opportunities, and there are those who choose to be just plain ignorant, and believe in silly things like Satan. > Now, I disagree with you about Satan. It's your opinion that there is > no such thing, so I don't know if you are an athiest or just an > agnostic, or whatever, but it's just an opinion nonetheless. Yes, it is an opinion. I never claimed it was "truth". I don't believe in absolute truth. And I hate to disappoint you, but I am neither agnostic nor atheist. I consider myself a very religious person (though to you, I suspect, I am merely a pagan). > My opinion > is different, but it's only valid to myself... Oh, I suspect there are many who share your views, and many who share mine. I have trouble believing that your views are that "unique". > I believe that there IS such a thing as the devil, but I don't agree > with the common perception of a "goat horned redskinned wicked-laughing > incarnation". I also believe in a God that is not a dispassionate, > remote observer, but actually a loving God who cares about his people. Well, I believe in a god that encompasses all that is manifest and non-manifest. There is, IMHO, one god--there is no good/evil duality (is not Satan actually a god of evil in christianity? And what about the "trinity"? So much for monotheism). > So whatever, that not's the point. I wish you would just state your > BELIEF, or your OPINION, instead of making the presumption that your > opinion is scientific proof. I did state my opinion. You made that clear yourself (see above). Did I use the words "scientific proof"? No. Feel free to criticize me for the words I DO write. But don't burden me with your misinterpretations. > Why use the word "foolishness"? Where are > your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? First, I don't believe science is the final authority on religious matters. In fact, I think it is more or less useless when applied in such a way. As for "foolishness", I was stating my opinion. Why can't I use such a word? Second, I rarely believe in something unless there is reasonable evidence that it really exists. I don't think there is adequate evidence that there is a Satan (or Devil). Similarly, I do not believe in gnomes, dragons, gremlins, snarks, little green men from Mars, honest politicians, or the Tooth Fairy (though I think there is better evidence for the existence of some of these than for Satan). Guido P.S. This is all IMHO of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay?!? Jeez! -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Nov 22 19:42:25 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:42:25 -0700 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: >> If you don't have Captain Lockheed - get it. That's all there is >about it. > >Abso-****in'-lutely - a truly indispensible album. > >ChrisW I'm still (patiently) waiting for Hawkwind to do The Widow Maker. I'm Astounded that they haven't, considering it's huge Brock quotient. Kevin Sommers From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Nov 22 19:49:01 1997 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:49:01 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: >> > How much is Mike asking for these? >> >> Not sure about 1999, but I seem to remember less than $20 for DH, but >> don't hold me to that. His first few copies had to be a bit more because >> he got them from a more expensive supplier, but soon he should be getting >> them a bit more directly (therefore, more cheaply). >> >Would someone mind posting Coleman's phone number? > >I must admit, I'm rather tired of the old UA stuff now, and have been more >into the '80s stuff lately (and a little '90s--I think TBT is the best of >the decade, though I haven't heard Alien 4 or DT). So 1999 is just what I >need now... > >Thanks, Charlie It's (972)-991-6621, or fax at (972)-991-7552. This fax line is also a voice line, so after the first couple of rings when it starts making bizarre faxxy noises, it's still ringing on his end. He keeps truly odd hours (don't we all?), and has no answering machine, so be patient. And bug him about getting another flyer together. ;> Kevin Sommers From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 22 20:39:29 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:39:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there: ENUFF'Z'ENUFF! In-Reply-To: <9711222256.AA12142@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: Now, now, all this bickering in the name of religion... will you folks never learn?? Tsk. Tsk. Look what I set off here, the good old Atheist vs. Believer mouth off. Stop it! :) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over." - the surreal McCoy From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 08:55:08 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:55:08 GMT Subject: OFF/HW: Cybernetic Love with your Orgasmatron (Forward) Message-ID: >ridiculous in general, and only a certain combination of audacity, >showmanship, and inner conviction will carry it off well. Calvert had >it. I think Tree has it, too. Tree does have a good voice for poetry. I love the bit he speaks during Ejection. Words like "Pieces of flesh hanging...." Hmm lovely words but he's got a good voice in it. Does any one know anything about the words spoken in Ejection? Are they on the original, doubt it and where do they come from? Didn't hear them at the Manchester gig but heard them at oxford and Swindon so not sure when they first entered the tour. Actually I'ven ever heard any poetry during any other concert than Hawkwind. Reptile Vision (?). I'm not sure about the quality of his own >lyrics; Reptile sounded okay to me but then what do I know I don't write music. But I'd like to see him write a piece of poetry for a spoken song to see if he can write poetry. may be a spacey poem or something. >If that's his greatest weakness, then. I'll still be glad to have him, even if only as a Calvert stand-in. I like Ron. It's nice to have a front man singer. But my favourite period was when they had Calvert in the early 70s and he was just another front man singing with the band. By that I mean he sung some songs and did spoken parts but then so did nik and Dave and lemmy. Where as now it's mainly Ron with the odd vocals from Dave. My favourite concert I've heard was the 'windsong BBC concert. in Brainstorm it had someone singing then during the choruses someone was singing over the main singer and ie sounded really good. Not sure who it was but it may have been Bob singing over lemmy with Dave and nik doing the backing vocals. And on shouldn't do that on roadhawks in the see it as you really are bit they have loads of them all singing well making noises, at the end and that sounds really good. That's my favourite type of sinning where they all sinning at the same time without singing the same words. Ron also does an excellent voice in the words at the start of song of the gremlin! Then precedes that with singing in a low tone that sounds good. Oh and then Jerry cuts in because that singing you get the sudden keyboard backing which is good. after the guitar you get a long ending that Hawkwind do. in fact I listen to that song quite a lot. Form the hard sounding beginning to the very genital sounding middle to the heavy ending. Perfect hawkwind > >Steve >swann at panix.com > Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 09:14:07 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:14:07 GMT Subject: Ron no Bob! (Forward) Message-ID: >Unfortunately on the Moorcock tracks "Warriors" and "Sonic Attack" I >found his voice too weak to carry them off. Perhaps Captain Rizz might >have made a better job of these? Apart from "The Camera That Could Lie" >I thought Rizz detracted from, rather than added to, the gigs. >FoFP Thats interesting, it was camrea that could not lie where I didn't like captain razzi voice but I liked it in all the rest bar pleasure fansty song. I assumed that it was ron in the speaking btis in reptil visiosn and the middle bit to love in sapce. ittle did I know until I saw them it was Captain Razzi. Oh he did ruin space is their (plastine) but nothing else and some of ti runing of sons was band based rather than razzi based, eg. camrea that could not lie bit. Timmy Langer From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 09:39:33 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:39:33 GMT Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: >I focused the magnifying glass that brought the downfall of Icarus. >Baloons were easy, a simple pin, or a knife in the case of the zeppelin. >That blade was the cause of many a prang, in the early days of stick and >string. >I am the gremlin, I was there, making mischief in the air, >and always will be wherever man flies in the face of creation's plan. > > - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters Thanks. Those words look diferent to the ones Ron sung/said at the beinign of the last song on the leastest tour? Is that song germlin different to song of the germlin or just different words? I'm confused. I thougt he was singing/saying something like death to rockets unto sapce, chaose tkaes the human .... > If you don't have Captain Lockheed - get it. That's all there is about it. >In fact, if you don't have all of Calvert's solo albums, get them too. Then >get all the things he did with other people, too. And then go and get all >the concert recordings you can find with him performing. You can have a bit >of a sit down after that. I've seen copies of the Captain lockheed album but I've also seen the price which went with them at the time. I think that shop liked to over price its records. But I intened to get it along with all the other calvert stuff. In fact if I win the lottery then I would pay someone to find me every known live recording of everything related to hawkwind. Oh and I'd hire a privte detactive (secert agent?) to find me all the unknown hawkwind stuff as well. But then I don't do the lotteery so I can't see that happeneing. >-=- Max Wilcox -=- Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 09:53:21 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:53:21 GMT Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: >That's Gremlin Part 1 is it not? Actually I think that Hawkwind >at the moment are doing a small section from the end of Gremlin >Part Two (or maybe some edited chunks before the last few lines - >I haven't checked it against the full lyrics yet). FORGET MY PERVIOUS POSTING THEN! I assume their was only 1 germlin >The complete lyrics follow below....... Thanks. I've worked out rouhgly which bits come from where, now I know what rons singing. That can be a problem with some hawkwind songs. >Every time I hear it >I wish they'd continue it for another 15 mins or more. :))) > Wonderful sound - but lyrics are really sorta nasty! I dunno much about >Death Metal but it reads just like a track that genre of band >ought to be playing! Thats what I thought but then I thouhgt if it was a death metal band the beining would have coniuted and their would be no beauitful tune. I doubt I could listen to a load of verses of the beining it needs the keybaord backing to give it something. I acutly hate death metal becuase they are often tuneless (well to my ears any way). > >The Gremlin (Part Two) > >Death to engines in the air >chaos take the human wing >death to jet and turbo prop >death to stick and death to string >ruin to the fuselage >destruction to the aerolon >death to the spaceman and his craft >its ugly landing legs despatch. Thats the beining bit + a bit from later on replacing soem earlier lines >no mercy for the rudder bar >no mercy for the tail plane >a singe for the handle-bar mustache And then ron sings eiher: >cremation for the bone-domed brain or >cramp for the bird man at his height. >From memory it sounds like he ends on the wrods height. But I do know he sings the words a singe for the handle.... Interesting mix of words from different bits of the song but I tihnk I'd rather have heard the whole song. From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Nov 23 12:02:20 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there: ENUFF'Z'ENUFF! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971123023929.030a022c@online.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Nov 23, 97 02:39:29 am Message-ID: Christian sez-- > > Now, now, all this bickering in the name of religion... > will you folks never learn?? Tsk. Tsk. Look what I set > off here, the good old Atheist vs. Believer mouth off. I'm not an atheist dammit! :-) > Stop it! :) Okay. :-) Now tell me why the hell I can't find _Distant Horizons_ or _The 1999 Party_ at any of the record stores here? The Hawkwind-deprived non-atheist Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 23 14:07:24 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:07:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there: ENUFF'Z'ENUFF! In-Reply-To: <9711231702.AA15956@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: At 12:02 23.11.97 -0500, you wrote: >Christian sez-- >> >> Now, now, all this bickering in the name of religion... >> will you folks never learn?? Tsk. Tsk. Look what I set >> off here, the good old Atheist vs. Believer mouth off. Guido sez: >I'm not an atheist dammit! :-) Okay, far far worse: the old Believer vs Believer conflict!!!!!!!!! >> Stop it! :) > >Okay. :-) Now tell me why the hell I can't find _Distant Horizons_ or _The >1999 Party_ at any of the record stores here? Just keep prayin man, ya never know!!!! :) Christian From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Nov 23 17:20:42 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:20:42 -0800 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music Message-ID: > Actually I'ven ever heard any poetry during any other concert than Hawkwind. > I'm sure there are plenty of others who've done it. For one, I just picked up Zappa/Beafheart's "Bongo Fury", and Capt. Beefheart spurts some kinda beat-ish poetry. I'm sure he did this on his own solo albums, as well... Who else has done it? Besides the Doors of, course... Charlie From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 18:28:36 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:28:36 GMT Subject: HW: Revelations (was: reply to the truth is out there: ENUFF'Z'ENUFF! In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Christian sez-- > > > > Now, now, all this bickering in the name of religion... > > will you folks never learn?? Tsk. Tsk. Look what I set And on the nth day there was created a mighty sound and a silver disc of gleaming brilliance. And when a light was shone upon the disc it brought forth great and wondrous music and all who listened to it said.... "well it's not bad for a new album really". And so it was Named and that Name was "Distant Horizons" for it was far out of reach for those who were not close at hand to the Source of Issue And then there was brought forth one that was greater and still more wondrous. And it came upon the Back of the other and yet was the mightier. And its name was of the Future yet it spoke of the Past and all who heard it said "This Is Indeed the One, the Greatest the most Powerful, From the time when all were Komplete - Let us remember and praise always that Time". And the letters of its forming were E and M and I and its Time was 1999 and all the people listened and were Amazed. (excerpted from "The Hawk Book of Wind - Visions of the Future in the Past" as revealed in a dream state and interpreted by the True Profits) oops - that wasn't me - my keyboard just took over - I couldn't stop it - honest! > > off here, the good old Atheist vs. Believer mouth off. > > I'm not an atheist dammit! :-) > > > Stop it! :) > > Okay. :-) Now tell me why the hell I can't find _Distant Horizons_ or _The > 1999 Party_ at any of the record stores here? 'cos they're all over here! They must have flooded the stores massively with DH - every bin has 4 or more copies. I can send one across to you if you are still in search of it! > > The Hawkwind-deprived non-atheist Guido jill > > -- > If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Nov 23 18:39:35 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:39:35 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <19971123222237913.AAA81@herbrose> Message-ID: On 23 Nov 97 at 14:20, herbert rosenberg wrote: > > Actually I'ven ever heard any poetry during any other concert than > Hawkwind. > > > > I'm sure there are plenty of others who've done it. For one, I just > picked up Zappa/Beafheart's "Bongo Fury", and Capt. Beefheart spurts > some kinda beat-ish poetry. I'm sure he did this on his own solo > albums, as well... > > Who else has done it? Besides the Doors of, course... > > > Charlie > Patti Smith, for another. Burroughs contributions to recordings by many artists have never (to my knowlege) been concert performances, but they are in much the same vein as Moorcock/Calvert - and much more besides. Of course Burroughs is in a category all by himself. Spare Ass Annie (The Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy) is perhaps the most critically acclaimed (and with good reason). Ginsberg has done similar, definitely on stage a few times. And now I come to think of it, Kesey and even Lesh & Weir have spouted madness at at least a few Dead concerts. Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also one called "The Celtic Poets". I bet there are loads more... Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 23 19:46:40 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:46:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Test (sorry--please ignore) Message-ID: Found a weird word-wrap problem with my email to one of my other lists, and thought it might be related to the clipped text problem Damon mentioned. So this is a test ... In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules: If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously. Do not waste time blocking your ears. Do not waste time seeking a soundproof shelter. Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible, but do not panic ... Use your wheels. It is what they are for. Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons, which should be left if possible, in a shelter. Do not attempt to use your own limbs. If no wheels are available, metal, not organic, limbs should be employed whenever practical ... Remember, in the case of Sonic Attack, Survival does mean every man for himself. Statistically more people survive if they think only of themselves. Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, or loved ones. You have only a few seconds to escape--use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die. Do not panic. Think only of yourselves.... These are the first signs of Sonic Attack: You will notice small objects, such as ornaments, oscillating. You will notice a vibration in your vertebrae. You will hear a distant hissing in your ears. You will feel dizzy. You will feel the need to vomit. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. There may be bleeding from orifices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting, or even laughter. These are all signs of imminent Sonic destruction. Your only protection is flight. If you are less than ten years old, then remain in your shelter and use your cocoon. But remember: You can help no-one else, No-one else, No-one else ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 23 19:35:11 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:35:11 +0100 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <199711232345.XAA02127@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: At 23:39 23.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >I bet there are loads more... >Alasdair >-- The Fugs? Gong also had their moments too, with bizarre drawn out stoned intros and narrative gibberish that consisted of stuff from the lyrics re-improvised live, or Allen's brilliant little skits or narrative and musings. On Kluster's Klopfzeichen there is a woman chanting fire and brimstone over a monotonous beat, and on Tangerine Dream's Alpha Centauri there is a chilling spoken piece at the end. Also in Guru Guru's "Electronic Junk" (I think, or the song after on Hinten) there is a strange spoken piece in the middle of the jam. Hell, tons of 70s German bands did some sinister freakout narration, but my German is so bad I don't know where to draw the line to poetry!!! Of course Moorcock's solo stuff might qualify, and definetly Dead Kennedys. Jello Biafra is punk's beat poet if there ever was one! (Henry Rollins can go f**k himself) Christian Ob"Rediscovered"OldCD's: Husker Du - New Day Rising Motorhead - 1916 Mercury Rev - Yerself Is Steam My Bloody Valentine - Loveless "You are not as much a vegetable, as the cosmos is is vegetable soup" -The FluidDruid From ChStier at AOL.COM Sun Nov 23 21:35:50 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:35:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Rarest con't. Message-ID: Question for you guys: How much would one expect to pay these days for a mint copy of 'In Search Of Space' complete with the Hawkwind Log book? Thanks! Chris From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Nov 24 04:41:57 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:41:57 -0700 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > At 23:39 23.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > > >I bet there are loads more... > > >Alasdair > >-- > > The Fugs? Gong also had their moments too, with bizarre drawn out > stoned intros and narrative gibberish that consisted of stuff > from the lyrics re-improvised live, or Allen's brilliant little > skits or narrative and musings. On Kluster's Klopfzeichen there > is a woman chanting fire and brimstone over a monotonous beat, > and on Tangerine Dream's Alpha Centauri there is a chilling > spoken piece at the end. Also in Guru Guru's "Electronic Junk" > (I think, or the song after on Hinten) there is a strange spoken > piece in the middle of the jam. Hell, tons of 70s German bands > did some sinister freakout narration, but my German is so bad > I don't know where to draw the line to poetry!!! What about Eloy's spoken stuff in "Dawn" and a few others I can't remember off the top of my head.Moody Blues strike a bell here too-they did get a bit strange in a couple of spots....I agree that MM"s stuff would qualify. Sure is interesting to me that we're actually listening to, albeit in a much different way, that we're listening to our parents record collection:)Mom would kill for the Spiral Realms stuff, as well as some of the others I enjoy. Betcha she'd really like Wolfstone:) Hmmmm. Rock on! Pam > > > Of course Moorcock's solo stuff might qualify, and definetly > Dead Kennedys. Jello Biafra is punk's beat poet if there ever was > one! (Henry Rollins can go f**k himself) > > Christian > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: In article <19971123222237913.AAA81 at herbrose>, herbert rosenberg writes >Who else has done it? Besides the Doors of, course... > > >Charlie Julian H. Cope, and bloody brilliantly too! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 04:58:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:58:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Rarest con't. In-Reply-To: <971123213550_-2029532114@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <971123213550_-2029532114 at mrin42.mail.aol.com>, Chris Stier writes >Question for you guys: > >How much would one expect to pay these days for a mint copy of 'In Search Of >Space' complete with the Hawkwind Log book? > >Thanks! > >Chris There's one in this month's Record Collector in Mint at 20 UKP. Also for 20 UKP is a NatWest Bank cheque made out to "Hawkwind" for 200 UKP - payment for a gig in '75. mmmmmm, tempting! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 04:55:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:55:23 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <199711232345.XAA02127@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711232345.XAA02127 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes >Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also >one called "The Celtic Poets". Cor, this sounds tasty! Any good? I love of Wobble and am partial to a spot of Blake too. OFF : Who was the greater romantic poet, Wordsworth or Blake? -- Jon Browne From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 06:49:34 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:49:34 GMT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: blyoung's message of Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:48:30 -0800 Message-ID: blyoung writes: > >> Where are > >>your scientific proofs that Satan does not exist? > > > >That's not how it works, though. The burden of proof is on the > claimant. > > OK, I'm not the claimant. I'm not standing there saying that the > devil is real or false. I gave my opinion and said it was only > an opinion. > > He's the one claiming there is no devil. Therefore, he should > prove it. If he gets proof, then my opinion will be easily > swayed. Not that I think this argument is remotely interesting or anything but it might as well stick to normal rules of logic if it's going to happen at all. 1) It's *impossible* to prove the nonexistence of anything. A few seconds actual thought should be enough to provide anyone with the reasons for this. 2) The person claiming the existence of something is merely making a claim unless they can back it up with actual evidence. 3) Extraordinary claims warrant extraordinary proof. It's one thing to claim that you saw a boat go over a waterfall. This accords with normal experience and the known laws of physics. Finding a few boat parts at the bottom of a waterfall should be enough evidence. Claiming to have observed faeries, martian visitors, or demons requires that little bit extra. Absent the body of a dead faery, actual unearthly machine parts, or your favourite god or devil actually appearing for a TV interview, people with even a smidgin of rational skepticism aren't going to give such claims the time of day. The existence of god and the devil are therefore up there with the existence of L.Ron Hubbard's visits to Heaven and previous lives asa Clam In Charge of the Universe. When they appear on TV it'll be time to re-evaluate this assessment. Until then it's just another faery story. On the other hand, people are entitled to believe what they like. Some people believe that MI5 are watching them throyugh their television, some believe that God talks to them from bushes, and some believe that Stan is the primary cause of their drinking problem. These beliefs involve the suspension of rational skepticism and all too often a missed dose of prescribed medication and are unlikely to change in the face of simple logic. Attempting to do so is a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth. FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 06:55:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:55:00 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:55 +0000 Message-ID: In article <199711232345.XAA02127 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair Macdonald writes >Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also >one called "The Celtic Poets". Neil Young's soundtrack for "Dead Man" includes Johnny Depp reading some of William Blake's poetry (as well as excerpts from the dialog of the film). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 07:18:15 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:18:15 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <347728FE.256B@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: > From: blyoung > He says that "in 1997 we should not have any more people dealing > with foolishness like the devil". > > And my point was that why should 1997 be any more enlightened > than any other era. > > Did anybody reply to that???? NO! Everybody and his dog replies > to the fact that I said my personal opinion was that the devil exists > and if he wants his personal opinion to masquerade as scientific > canon then he'd better have proof. > > Why didn't at least ONE person clue in to the point that I made > a very pointed criticism at the ignorance of our times, despite > the advances we've made in world communication, education, literacy, > etc? > The ignorance of our times is quite apparent, as there are still plenty of people out there who believe in angels, devils, heaven, hell, etc. All fine stuff except for the fact that not one shred of evidence exists to prove it...Believe whatever the fuck you want to believe, but don't try to say it's logical or proveable... > It seems like everybody is so anti-Religion that they missed the > first statement which set the tone of my message and jumped on the > indignant reply bandwagon. Anyways, if my personal beliefs work > for me, I can't expect them to work for you unless you think > like I do. And obviously you don't. I'm not trying to force > you to do anything, but I have found a God that is loving and > I didn't find him in a church but I did find him in the Bible, > which also tells me about the devil. Works for me, but I'm > not asking you to believe likewise. > What's all this Him business? god is a man? Who's seen this entity, and why would an omnipotent being have human form? And why a man, not a woman? > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 08:24:44 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:24:44 GMT Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:55:23 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > OFF : Who was the greater romantic poet, Wordsworth or Blake? Gods above man! What a question..... Well Wordsworth was an unrealistic romantic visionary who was a complete naff-head when it came to real politics and managed to call the French Revolution entirely the wrong way Blake was an unrealistic esoteric religious visionary who tried to create his own religion through Creation onwards by his visual arts and his poetry. And there is of course the entire 18th "Romantic" poets pantheon of Keats, Shelley, Byron et al. not to mention the Victorian "Romanticists" of Clare, Tennyson, Thompson and ever onwards.... Aaarghh! How can you hope to ask such questions and have a realistic response in less than a 500 page thesis..................... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 07:29:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:29:56 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971122011412.006dcaf8@mcmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > At 14:03 21/11/97 EDT, you wrote: > >> > >To paraphrase Shakespeare and sundry other observers: the forces of > >evil [assuming such things exist] can only tempt us humans. We all > >have free will to behave as we see fit. And then bear the > >consequences for our actions. Modern American society is obsessed > >with victimization: putting the blame elsewhere for one's own > >actions. Hence the proliferation of support groups and twelve step > >programs. I'm sure there are guys out there who insist that being a > >pedophile is a disease, and that they are victims of a disease, and > >thus not responsible for thwie actions... > > > > That is a wonderfully succinct summary of the state of the world: The Monty > Python crew were way ahead of their time (as usual) with their "I did it, > but society is to blame" routine. I also think that the rise of > repressive, moralistic attitudes in the worlds of politics & The media will > only aggravate this (but I have some pretty weird ideas *G*) > > ChrisW There's an excellent book out there called 'Nation of Victims,' thaet lays it all out. That book will make you sick after you get done laughing... From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 08:31:09 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:31:09 GMT Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: Cliff and Pam Wheaton's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > remember off the top of my head.Moody Blues strike a bell here too-they > did get a bit strange in a couple of spots... Memories!!! When the white eagle of the north is flying overhead And the browns, reds and golds of autumn lie in the gutter dead ..... followed by that wonderful instrumental track "The Dream" such was youth jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 24 08:39:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:39:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: All right, All Right, ALL RIGHT already!! Let's just all to agree to disagree in terms of the religious/supernatural here, o.k.? Contrary to some popular beliefs, the Devil has got NOTHING to do with rock and roll!! John ObCD: The Brain Surgeons, *Box of Hammers* From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Nov 24 07:46:13 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:46:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: At 08:18 AM 24/11/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: >The ignorance of our times is quite apparent, as there are still >plenty of people out there who believe in angels, devils, heaven, >hell, etc. All fine stuff except for the fact that not one shred of >evidence exists to prove it...Believe whatever the fuck you want to >believe, but don't try to say it's logical or proveable... > Dear oh dear. The ignorance of our times is indeed apparent, when someone says there is no evidence to prove such things, when indeed, he has not the omniscience to say so himself. The beliefs of others are indeed logical and provable *to them*. That is the nature of "proof". In religious belief, it is enough to compel assent. If it is to be understood as offering reasons for belief such as can be satisfactory to intelligent persons, then proof of the existence of such things is both possible and necessary. >> It seems like everybody is so anti-Religion that they missed the >> first statement which set the tone of my message and jumped on the >> indignant reply bandwagon. Anyways, if my personal beliefs work >> for me, I can't expect them to work for you unless you think >> like I do. And obviously you don't. I'm not trying to force >> you to do anything, but I have found a God that is loving and >> I didn't find him in a church but I did find him in the Bible, >> which also tells me about the devil. Works for me, but I'm >> not asking you to believe likewise. >> >What's all this Him business? god is a man? Who's seen this entity, >and why would an omnipotent being have human form? And why a man, >not a woman? Perhaps you should take some time on another forum to understand theological prolegomena. Whether you agree or not, it would be beneficial to your queries. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 09:10:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:10:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr.'s mail of Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:29 -0400 Message-ID: >Modern American society is obsessed >with victimization: putting the blame elsewhere for one's own >actions. Hence the proliferation of support groups and twelve step >programs. This is complete bullshit, and completely off-topic to boot. Please take responsibility for your actions, and stop posting this crap to boc-l. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 09:10:46 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:10:46 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) Message-ID: >On Sunday, November 23, 1997 5:22 AM, langner timothy [SMTP:96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK] wrote: > >> PS shame they don't have any videos form that period to issue? Juat imagen a >> 74 gig on video? Would be awsome. and having never seen them live until now >> even better. > > Or - Space Ritual on video. Excuse me while my braincells melt. > >-=- Max Wilcox -=- Well I still live in hope of one day finding the live 72 or 73 video I heard about years back. This is NOT the Silver Machine "promo" thing but a full show filmed by GermanTV. Maybe it doesn't exist, but I like to think it's out there waiting on me!! Dave From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 24 09:22:20 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:22:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Truth is out there... Message-ID: > Now, now, all this bickering in the name of religion... > will you folks never learn?? Tsk. Tsk. Look what I set > off here, the good old Atheist vs. Believer mouth off. >I'm not an atheist dammit! :-) Howls. BOC-L "The nexus of the crisis, the origin of storms..." >Hey, come on... they don't believe it's devil "that made them do it"... >they know who's to blame... everything is of course Steve's fault! :-) >Daniel Lets see S -T-E-V-E S-W-A-N-N you could almost do it, 8>) >>From Peppermint Tribe Mailing List> Prunella Scales did some touring back in >August and September, all of which I missed. They played with such notables >as Flotsom and Jetsom and Blue Oyster Cult. Any of you get to see them? >Let me know! Anybody catch this band with BOC this past year? Are they any good? Siagon Kick fans, couple of things, beyond the mail order cd of demos and rarities there is a new material SK cd comming soon. Also Jason has a solo cd in the works and the first Flat CD is just a short ways away. Busy group of musicians. lil ab "Isn't sanity a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick OBCD - Space In Your Face, Galactic Cowboys From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 24 09:30:51 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:30:51 +0800 Subject: Jettisoundz videos in stereo Message-ID: Hi all In reply to a subject discussed a few weeks back, regarding the Jettisoundz videos being mono, they're not. They are in stereo, they just don't mention it on the packaging. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 24 09:38:09 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:38:09 +0800 Subject: HW: Uncle Bob Calvert (Re: HW: DH vs. ...) Message-ID: >Freq? And what's the difference between Freq and Freq Revisited???? >Someone care to give me a lowdown on all this Freq business? > Freq Revisited is just the original album with the single versions of Lord of the Hornets &The Greenfly & the Rose added to it. William From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 15:03:12 1997 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (m.r.varley) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:03:12 GMT+0 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: FoFP writes > > On the other hand, people are entitled to believe what they like. Some > people believe that MI5 are watching them throyugh their television, > some believe that God talks to them from bushes, and some believe that > Stan is the primary cause of their drinking problem. These beliefs > involve the suspension of rational skepticism and all too often a missed > dose of prescribed medication and are unlikely to change in the face of > simple logic. Attempting to do so is a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth. > Actually I'm convinced that Stan is one of the main causes of my drinking problem - my mate Stan keeps buying me drinks! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 24 10:25:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:47 +0800 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD Message-ID: Hi all Is there any extra tracks on it??? William From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Nov 24 10:40:21 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:40:21 -0500 Subject: Truth is Out there In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971122002620.0092d4f4@mailbox.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Nov 22, 97 01:26:20 am Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > At 03:21 PM 11/21/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I wonder if Death Metal bands believe "the Devil made them do it." > > > >lil ab > > Hey, come on... they don't believe it's devil "that made them do it"... > they know who's to blame... everything is of course Steve's fault! :-) > > mvh - Diablo Wikdahl Hey, blaming me for the existence of Death Metal is getting pretty low, guys! Blame me for everything on BOC-L, if you wish. But I've heard Slayer, and they're not my responsibility! disgruntled, Steve ObTop3songsInTheSwannHouseholdThisMonth: Tool "Aenema"(!), Mike Oldfield "5 Miles Out", Calvert "Voyaging to Vinland". From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 24 10:43:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:43:40 +0800 Subject: Uncle Bob Calvert (Re: HW: DH vs. ...) Message-ID: >> Lucky Leif >> is so strange it's good only when in the mood for it. The Queen >> Elizabeth live album is fun. What is the Revisited comp on Anagram? > > I don't know what this is - what's it called? > It sounds like it's Freq Revisited, but with the Freq bit chopped off! William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 10:50:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:50:00 +0000 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Mon, 24 Nov 97 23:25 +0800 Message-ID: On 24 Nov 15:25, William Duffy wrote: > Hi all > > Is there any extra tracks on it??? > > William Nope. Nik's other Sphynx CD (the one by Pressurehed et al) includes the original flute track on which the Xitintoday album was based. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 24 11:13:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:13:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <24C513E76@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 15:03 24.11.97 GMT+0, m.r. varley wrote: >Actually I'm convinced that Stan is one of the main causes of my >drinking problem - my mate Stan keeps buying me drinks! Now that's what I call a coincidence! My mate Stan keeps buying me drinks all the time too - "have another one buddy, good for yer soul!" he sez and hands me another beer. I am inclined to think there's something MORE than a coincidence going on here! I think my pal Stan may be some kind of hideous personification of EVIL leading me on to TEMPTATION! And we all know where THAT one-way ticket of temptation leads. flogging yet another dead horse, Christian ObTimeOfYearToDo: digging out my very own novelty Xmas card of Satan Claus ramming Rudolph The Redbummed Raindeer in the ass, on the roof as the little children watch in horror. ObComingEasterToDo: digging out the legendary Tex Blaisdell's drawing of the crucified weeping little Easter Bunny splattered with broken eggs. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 11:32:38 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:32:38 GMT Subject: HW: Photos and Review In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: Got the photos today thanks. Pretty good :-) Cheers Mike From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Nov 24 11:36:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:36:33 +0800 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD Message-ID: >On 24 Nov 15:25, William Duffy wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Is there any extra tracks on it??? >> >> William > >Nope. > I've read elsewhere of a tape of other material that was recorded for the album, but left off, presumably because they couldn't fit it all on. Wouldn't it have been ideal to put that material on the CD? William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 10:39:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:39:03 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971124171322.0077b284@online.no> Message-ID: From: Christian Mumford > At 15:03 24.11.97 GMT+0, m.r. varley wrote: > > >Actually I'm convinced that Stan is one of the main causes of my > >drinking problem - my mate Stan keeps buying me drinks! > > Now that's what I call a coincidence! My mate Stan keeps buying me drinks > all the time too - "have another one buddy, good for yer soul!" he sez > and hands me another beer. I am inclined to think there's something MORE > than a coincidence going on here! I think my pal Stan may be some kind of > hideous personification of EVIL leading me on to TEMPTATION! And we all know > where THAT one-way ticket of temptation leads. > > flogging yet another dead horse, > Christian Say, Christian. Would your pal Stan by any chance be a Rush fan? Ob: stay tuned BOC-Lers, full review of tBS gig coming up. Schedule your worship services accordingly... > ObTimeOfYearToDo: digging out my very own novelty Xmas card of Satan Claus > ramming Rudolph The Redbummed Raindeer in the ass, on the roof as the little > children watch in horror. > > ObComingEasterToDo: digging out the legendary Tex Blaisdell's drawing of the > crucified weeping little Easter Bunny splattered with broken eggs. > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 24 11:40:21 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:40:21 -0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: > Now that's what I call a coincidence! My mate Stan keeps buying me drinks > all the time too - "have another one buddy, good for yer soul!" he sez > and hands me another beer. I am inclined to think there's something MORE > than a coincidence going on here! I think my pal Stan may be some kind of > hideous personification of EVIL leading me on to TEMPTATION! And we all > know > where THAT one-way ticket of temptation leads. > So d'you reckon when Slade made that record, "My Frend Stan", it was really about... STAN?!? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Nov 24 12:02:48 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:02:48 -0700 Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > > > remember off the top of my head.Moody Blues strike a bell here too-they > > did get a bit strange in a couple of spots... > > Memories!!! > > When the white eagle of the north is flying overhead > And the browns, reds and golds of autumn lie in the gutter dead > > ..... followed by that wonderful instrumental track "The Dream" > > such was youth Yeah. I still love them. I have enjoyed the Moodys for many, many years:)Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Not that I think this argument is remotely interesting or anything but > it might as well stick to normal rules of logic if it's going to happen > at all. > > 1) It's *impossible* to prove the nonexistence of anything. A few > seconds actual thought should be enough to provide anyone with the > reasons for this. Just a point of information: I concur regarding the physical world. However, with abstract realms, it is entirely possible to prove the nonexistance of things. For example, Turing proved that no algorithm exists to determine whether another algorithm will halt or not for a given input. (And, yes, this is a pretty important result for the physical world.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: (hardware being repaired) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 24 12:43:31 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:43:31 PST Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: It's a sad fact, but it's pretty obvious that it will take a seriously major event to get the Oyster Boys (or more particularly Albert and Sandy) up off their collective arse to finish the musical conversion of Soft Doctrines of Immaginos into the Imaginos Mythos/Cycle. The Random Access Myth is a beautiful creation. It's influences are scintillating. We are those for whom it was written, do we not therefore hold the necessary powers to complete the masterpiece? If you tell me there's no-one out there with the ability and desire to join in a communal authorship and write the next lines, I will not believe you. Lay your head on oyster beds, plush as down. You'd never believe that you'd be, by a song, redeemed. If you imagination is ice, Freeze on. Chris. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Armageddon started quietly. Destruction is not negative, you must destroy to build. ---->Die Interimsliebenden (Lovers in the Interim) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 12:46:50 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:46:50 GMT Subject: OFF: Sputnik Stan is Evil! In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:40:21 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Now that's what I call a coincidence! My mate Stan keeps buying me > > drinks all the time too - "have another one buddy, good for yer > > soul!" he sez and hands me another beer. I am inclined to think > > there's something MORE than a coincidence going on here! I think my > > pal Stan may be some kind of hideous personification of EVIL leading > > me on to TEMPTATION! And we all know where THAT one-way ticket of > > temptation leads. > So d'you reckon when Slade made that record, "My Frend Stan", it was > really about... STAN?!? Hawkwind's "Sputnik Stan" could be some sort of symbolic message concerning the evil of Stan. Let's have a closer look at the lyrics > They call me Sputnik Stan As everyone knows, the first part of summoning demons is naming them. > I view the Earth from a garbage can Clearly a reference to Hell. > I'm in Earth's orbit Of course he is. He's inside the Earth. > It's a junkyard, man Where human "junk" is collected? > It's just a job, > I'm a satellite junkman This is transparently referring to Stan's method of spreading evil through drugs. > They call me Sputnik Stan > Spaceways maintenance man "Maintenance man" - absent fathers. A reference to Stan's plan to split up families. > I see a satellite about to fade A soul about to fall. > Got to collect > Weigh it in and get paid 30 pieces of silver? > My name's Stan > I've been commissioned > By the Alien Federation A reference to God, who commissioned Stan to do this job. > To collect all this junk > Floating around in space > So don't you go nicking it > 'Cause it's all mine Can a soul, once harvested by Stan, be stolen from him? Mike "Get behind me Stan" Holmes From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 08:05:20 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:05:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <199711241149.LAA04343@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711241149.LAA04343 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >and some believe that >Stan is the primary cause of their drinking problem. Stan is certainly a signifcant factor in my drinking problem. He keeps buying me drinks for a start. -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 24 13:23:06 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:23:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Immaginos, discontinuity and all the free food you can eat In-Reply-To: <19971124174337.18494.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Chris wrote: > It's a sad fact, but it's pretty obvious that it will take a >seriously major event to get the Oyster Boys (or more particularly >Albert and Sandy) up off their collective arse to finish the musical >conversion of Soft Doctrines of Immaginos into the Imaginos >Mythos/Cycle. Well....that's somewhat understandable on the part of Sandy P. But Albert HAS been working in his own way upon the whole saga--hence the inclusion of Overture and The Girl Who Made Love Blind on _BoH_ and _Malpractice_. Not to mention the fact that tBS have been playing 3 of the song from the cycle (Overture, Astronomy, I am the One you Warned me of). Besides if it's random access and all that, the easygoing rate of attack by Albert shouldn't really affect the overall scheme of things for the tale. > The Random Access Myth is a beautiful creation. It's influences are >scintillating. We are those for whom it was written, do we not >therefore hold the necessary powers to complete the masterpiece? > If you tell me there's no-one out there with the ability and desire >to join in a communal authorship and write the next lines, I will not >believe you. You're probably right regarding the existence of Immaginos wanna-be's, but that does not necessitate having "the necesary powers to complete it." The original ambiance,spirit,vision etc. of the whole cycle-which has at best been sketchy in its outline (See the FAQ for Albert's suggested song order for the trilogy)- can never be completely assimilated by others or copied. I don't think an "a a production of the Immaginos writer's workshop" would feel right...the influences and attitude of Albert's approach to music w/ the words of Pearlman (who cooked up the whole scheme in the first place through sundry ways) has something that (for example) Bob Jones couldn't convey if he took it upon himself to rescore "IatOYWMo" as part of the overall construct inclusive of whatever Bob Jones thought belonged in the songcycle. I think that makes sense. The IWW might produce something that sounds Immaginosian, but that certain special something would not be there. Furthermore, I don't think that being "those for whom it was written" can conversely lead to the ability to write the bloody thing. It's like saying: Joseph Conrad wrote _Heart of Darkness_ and we therefore have the power to finish the saga of Kurtz's manuscript and its ramifications on the world. It just don't jive. know you by some sort of blackish telescope-like thing, Jason ObLetter: being bugged by oversimplicity in a response sent by Robert F. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 12:50:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:50:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <01BCF8F7.C8E51C40.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BCF8F7.C8E51C40.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >So d'you reckon when Slade made that record, "My Frend Stan", it was really >about... STAN?!? > >-Andy That wasn't Sputnik Stan by any chance? -- Jon Browne From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 13:32:39 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:32:39 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <1dTivGAL8Ue0Ewfw@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On 24 Nov 97 at 9:55, Jon Browne wrote: > In article <199711232345.XAA02127 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair > Macdonald writes > >Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also > >one called "The Celtic Poets". > > > Cor, this sounds tasty! Any good? I love of Wobble and am partial to > a spot of Blake too. > > OFF : Who was the greater romantic poet, Wordsworth or Blake? > > -- > Jon Browne > Well I kinda prefer his Invaders Of The Heart albums, as it happens, but the poetry albums make a - um refreshing change. I dug out the Celtic Poets album prior to sending my last e-mail, and I've kept it in there for the last 3 plays, so it can't be that bad. I know the Blake one has Tiger Tiger Burning Bright - you can prolly imagine it if you are familiar with Wobble's voice & material like Dreadlock Dont Deal With Wedlock. My favourite of all Joh Wobble stuff is a couple of 1982 tapes of the Invaders in Germany, 100% instrumental. Check http://www.30hertzrecords.com I also have a flyer from 30 Hertz promoting a 10th August last "Spoken word and music concert featuring the voices of Jah Wobble and actor Johnathan Moore, with musicians Jah Wobble, Jaki Liebzeit, Jean-Pierre Rasle, Neville Murray and Mark Ferda. Also featuring Najma Akhtar, Zi-Lan Liao and Spikey T." Which reminds me, Benjamin Zephaniah has performed with bands in the past, also John Cooper Clarke (years ago), and who used to rap over Dennis Bovell's Dub Band all those years ago? Zephaniah? So far as Wobble is concerned, I look for the presence of Neville Murray & Ferda to figure out if an album of his is gonna be any good. Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 12:37:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:37:01 -0400 Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth In-Reply-To: <19971124174337.18494.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > It's a sad fact, but it's pretty obvious that it will take a > seriously major event to get the Oyster Boys (or more particularly > Albert and Sandy) up off their collective arse to finish the musical > conversion of Soft Doctrines of Immaginos into the Imaginos > Mythos/Cycle. I wouldn't be so sure of that. It wouldn't surprise me one whit if Albert actually does exactly what you are suggsting one day. Consider the tune 'Overture.' Am I thinking of the right tune? It's on BoH? They did this tune Friday night that was an overture composed of parts from all the Imaginos songs. Pretty amazing tune, BTW. This tune sounds like a step in that direction. Clearly Al has no shortage of inspiration for material these days. Now, getting Pearlman to work on the project again looks like a bit of a problem... > The Random Access Myth is a beautiful creation. It's influences are > scintillating. We are those for whom it was written, do we not > therefore hold the necessary powers to complete the masterpiece? Complete it? No. But contribute to it, of course. And since it is an open-ended piece [as I see it, any comments?] why can't we make a valid contribution to it? > If you tell me there's no-one out there with the ability and desire > to join in a communal authorship and write the next lines, I will not > believe you. > I'm certainly up to taking a stab at the music, though I'd be less than comfortable in trying to come up with lyrics... From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 13:35:16 1997 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:35:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <199711241339.IAA26500@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On 24 Nov 97 at 8:39, John A Swartz wrote: > All right, All Right, ALL RIGHT already!! Let's just all to agree > to disagree in terms of the religious/supernatural here, o.k.? > Contrary to some popular beliefs, the Devil has got NOTHING to do > with rock and roll!! > > John > > ObCD: The Brain Surgeons, *Box of Hammers* > > > Try telling that to Jerry Lee Lewis Alasdair -- alimac at netcomuk.co.uk ICQ contact info... http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 13:46:54 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:46:54 GMT Subject: HW: Web record hunting Message-ID: Just been doing a quick piece of web searching (via the Albatross links) and found that Vinyl Tap have a web page. Currently they have loads of Hawkwind on offer including two "Choose Your Masques" tour programmes. They also have an interesting selection of Calvert vinyl on offer including a green "Cricket Star" flexi disc priced at 30.00 pounds UK. Other vinyl is the "Captain Lockheed" lp (reissue) price 10.00 pounds Lord of the Hornets 7" for 20 pounds and another with sellotaped cover for 10.00 pounds. "Lucky Leif" lp (orig) for 25 pounds. The web address is www.vinyltap.co.uk/welcome.html jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 24 12:49:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:49:04 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <199711241324.NAA03387@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711241324.NAA03387 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Jon Browne writes: > >> OFF : Who was the greater romantic poet, Wordsworth or Blake? > >Gods above man! What a question..... > >Well Wordsworth was an unrealistic romantic visionary who was a complete >naff-head when it came to real politics and managed to call the >French Revolution entirely the wrong way > >Blake was an unrealistic esoteric religious visionary who tried to >create his own religion through Creation onwards by his visual arts and >his poetry. > >And there is of course the entire 18th "Romantic" poets pantheon of >Keats, Shelley, Byron et al. not to mention the Victorian "Romanticists" >of Clare, Tennyson, Thompson and ever onwards.... > > >Aaarghh! How can you hope to ask such questions and have a realistic >response in less than a 500 page thesis..................... > >jill > Perfectly happy to take this to e-mail..... Wordsworths epiphanies came from the extant outer world - "the host of golden daffodils" whereas Blake dealt in exultant inner landscapes, his "New Jerusalem" (note obContent :-0 ) So, one or the other was probably more or less missing the point. Depending on your mood. Just something I've been thinking about after reading Zodaic Mindwarp & Bill Drummond's Bad Wisdom. Sorry, too off, I'll shut up.... -- Jon Browne From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 24 14:08:13 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:08:13 PST Subject: BOC: Immaginos and his doctor sauce. Message-ID: >Well....that's somewhat understandable on the part of Sandy P. But >Albert HAS been working in his own way upon the whole saga--hence the >inclusion of Overture and The Girl Who Made Love Blind on _BoH_ and >_Malpractice_. Not to mention the fact that tBS have been playing 3 >of the song from the cycle (Overture, Astronomy, I am the One you >Warned me of). Besides if it's random access and all that, the >easygoing rate of attack by Albert shouldn't really affect the >overall scheme of things for the tale. Yeah, I know. I'm just becoming more and more edgy about being slipped hints here and there from across 25 or so years and we're really so far away from seeing any more than a hemline of the whole cloak of stars. Mr Bouchard is certainly holding the flag high (one the BOC have shunned) from tBS stuff I've heard, but as you say, it's Sandy's baby. To quote the Spinal Tap movie..."Currently residing in the 'Where Are they Now' file...". It's all a little like reading that book by Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum". >You're probably right regarding the existence of Immaginos >wanna-be's, but that does not necessitate having "the necesary powers >to complete it." The original ambiance,spirit,vision etc. of the >whole cycle-which has at best been sketchy in its outline (See the >?FAQ for Albert's suggested song order for the trilogy)- can never be >completely assimilated by others or copied. I'll agree that the original feeling and groove (in all senses) could not be duplicated. But look at what Albert's doing with tBS. It's not trying to regain past glories, it's new. More later. Good Health to you. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 14:03:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:03:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Immaginos and his doctor sauce. In-Reply-To: <19971124190814.11592.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Horse Whisperer > Mr Bouchard is certainly holding the flag high (one the BOC have > shunned) from tBS stuff I've heard, but as you say, it's Sandy's baby. > To quote the Spinal Tap movie..."Currently residing in the 'Where Are > they Now' file...". True enough. But it never was a BOC project anyway, really, though granted members of BOC did contribute to pieces of the project along the way. And, given the shady dealing surrounding the Imaginos recording that did see light of day, it would take gigantic balls the size of hot-air balloons for BOC to try anything else with the project. Really, the only way for Imaginos to do what it originally attempted, would be for a full-out BOC reunion WITH SP, and the odds of that are nearly incalcuable... > I'll agree that the original feeling and groove (in all senses) could > not be duplicated. But look at what Albert's doing with tBS. It's not > trying to regain past glories, it's new. > > More later. > Good Health to you. > Chris. > So Chris, have you seen tBS in concert? If so, what's your opinion? theo From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 24 15:35:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:35:03 +0100 Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: > Now, getting >Pearlman to work on the project again looks like a bit of a >problem... > What is he doing these days? - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 24 16:35:29 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:35:29 -0500 Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: Does anyone else do this stuff???? I am/was working on a story about a young woman born in Nantes France in late 1780s, she was victimized by priests who were agents of the Illuminati, she escapes to New Orleans , she is not a regular person, she time travels and sees future stuff, oops, don't have my notebook here...forget how i spelled her name, think it was Desirre' Allouyves...??? Her father was a master glazier and member of the order of blue masons, oops forgot some more ...... ..and well so on, and so on, in the new world, she hooks up with the Natchez as they are being ravaged by epidemic diseases.... ..If I ever get time to revise and find a departure I might put this story and a couple song/poems from it on a web site. Its a mixture of history, factual stuff from documents, like the fur trade records, letters of Colbert, jesuit relations, genelogy sources etc. my imagination, far out conspiracy theories.... and I wanted to make a connection to the Imaginos saga. And it was decent fun...... anyone else??? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 24 16:44:56 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:44:56 +0100 Subject: Truth is Out there Message-ID: Steve writes: >Hey, blaming me for the existence of Death Metal is getting pretty >low, guys! Oh, I don't blame you for Death Metal... >Blame me for everything on BOC-L, if you wish. I wish more people were like you! "Hey, Daniel you never have any money - blame me if you like!" --> girlfriend "You're having a hangover again - it's mine fault." --> my friend Jonas (not Stan) "Your English is still very strange - please blame me!" Ulla B med de feta l?pparna och alkoholisten TS. "You'll never get a job after the universitystudies - I beg you, blame me!" Vilken borgarbracka som helst g?r bra. ;-) >But I've >heard Slayer, and they're not my responsibility! I've seen them live a couple of times and I had a good laugh. I mean, how old are they? 40-45 years old? And they're still playing this dumb sort of puberty metal... and they seems to be serious about it... But, of course, they're making some good money. Death Metal in general and Slayer in particular [is this correct english?] are a pretty harmless phenomenon. Nothing more evil or dangerous than WASP used to be (OK, I know DM was around back then too)- and that's yet another laughable band. As somebody pointed out, the "real satanist" acts are Black Metal, NOT Death Metal. For maybe six years ago I wrote an essay on the topic of satanism and I did an interview with the girlfriend of Count Grishnak, aka "Greven", aka Varg Vikernes, aka the one-man band Burzum. He was in jail for having burned some churches in Norway and in Sweden (this was before he murdered the guy Euronomious (or whatever he used to call himself) of the band Mayhem - the crime for which he was given a life-time sentence) and she was in Swedish jail, waiting for a forensic psychiatry examination, for trying to put the house of the singer of Therion on fire. Just a couple of months before was she prosecuted for stabbing an old man in his neck - totally unprovoked. But she was never convicted for that crime 'cos, as I see it, the old man and his wife didn't dare to witness in court. And it was so obvious to me that this didn't have anything to do with satanism or any kind of religion! She was just a poor confused young girl totally dominated and controlled by Varg Vikernes... too bad it had to go this far before anybody was able to do anything about it. Vikernes himself was also examined by psychiatrists after the murder of the Mayhem-guy... and, if I my memory doesn't fail, was found sane... so it was possible to send him to the prison where he now lives - spending his time by making awful music in the name of the devil (or is it the Aesir Gods now?). So what's the conclusion? I don't now really - except for that this has very little to do with a existence devil or non-existence devil. >ObTop3songsInTheSwannHouseholdThisMonth: Tool "Aenema"(!), Mike >Oldfield "5 Miles Out", Calvert "Voyaging to Vinland". BTW - Oldfield must have been the first person to do the typical Death Metal growl. (In Tubular Bells). mvh - Daniel Wikdahl "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 24 17:22:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:22:22 +0100 Subject: Truth is Out there In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971124214456.0092c9ac@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Daniel: Grishnak is the best thing to come outta Norway since Smalahove!!!!! Christian PS: Varg cut his hair a few years back. From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Nov 24 17:27:26 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:27:26 +0100 Subject: NIK: xitintoday CD Message-ID: Hi, >I've read elsewhere of a tape of other material that was recorded for the >album, but left off, presumably because they couldn't fit it all on. >Wouldn't it have been ideal to put that material on the CD? Well, I have that tape, I think it's on sale somewhere, I'll ask Nik next time I talk to him. Kenneth Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From kg at THING.DE Mon Nov 24 17:15:12 1997 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:15:12 +0100 Subject: The Moor + Nik Turner + K.G.-Calvert in spirit tour dates Message-ID: hi there, a page for all the infos you (might) need on the upcoming tour of The Moor with Nik Turner & K.G. in January 1998 through Germany + Prague is online now at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm more infos will be added to it soon. don't miss this tour - its going to be "interesting" - at least!!! best, knut From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 16:51:12 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:12 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971121205153.0078209c@online.no> Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > I see Satan as a personal demon in us, and sometimes that side of us causes > grief to others. I see God as as a uniting concept of everything, the > glue that sticks the cosmos together and what may stick the minds of > many together as well. I see neither as independent entities, nor do > I believe in organized religion (what an oxymoron!) being capable of much, > apart from achieving surface "good" or "bad" as opposed to individual Well, most churches are pretty good at collecting money. Hell, look at that fancy bubble-top ride the pope cruises in these days. Wonder if it gets hot in there? From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Nov 24 17:58:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:58:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <2187A2F39CF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 17:51 24.11.97 EDT, you wrote: >Well, most churches are pretty good at collecting money. Right. Very often that is BAD. Sometimes it can be GOOD. > Hell, look >at that fancy bubble-top ride the pope cruises in these days. Wonder >if it gets hot in there? Leave him in there in the sun long enough and maybe he will pop. Christian > From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Nov 24 18:45:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:45:36 +0100 Subject: Truth is Out there Message-ID: At 11:22 PM 11/24/97 +0100, you wrote: >Daniel: > >Grishnak is the best thing to come outta Norway since Smalahove!!!!! ...maybe I'll skip the Smalahove after all... :-) Grishnak is one of the orcs in Lord of the rings... Vargs girlfriend told me the two of them had invented a secret language based on the orcs language in Tolkien's books... :-Z > >Christian > >PS: Varg cut his hair a few years back. ...then it can't be much left of him now. :-) I remember him being very small and thin... hair was the only thing he'd got. BTW: Do you remember the name of the Mayhem guy Varg killed? Epidemeus? Eurounionius? Ementhaler? Analeus? Ansjouvius? Drittsekkeus? Elkeus? - Daniel > "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From sflahert at CAPECOD.NET Mon Nov 24 18:52:15 1997 From: sflahert at CAPECOD.NET (Sean W. Flaherty) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:52:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Immaginos and his doctor sauce. Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > From: Horse Whisperer > > > Mr Bouchard is certainly holding the flag high (one the BOC have > > shunned) from tBS stuff I've heard, but as you say, it's Sandy's baby. > > To quote the Spinal Tap movie..."Currently residing in the 'Where Are > > they Now' file...". > > True enough. But it never was a BOC project anyway, really, though > granted members of BOC did contribute to pieces of the project along > the way. And, given the shady dealing surrounding the Imaginos > recording that did see light of day, it would take gigantic balls the > size of hot-air balloons for BOC to try anything else with the > project. Really, the only way for Imaginos to do what it originally > attempted, would be for a full-out BOC reunion WITH SP, and the odds > of that are nearly incalcuable... Question?----- Did BOC have a falling out with Sandy Pearlman? Or was it just a mutual parting of ways? I have read the FAQ and the goldmine article...just wondering if anyone has some insight.... From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 24 10:42:11 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:42:11 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <19971123222237913.AAA81@herbrose> Message-ID: At 14:20 23/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >> Actually I'ven ever heard any poetry during any other concert than >Hawkwind. >> > >I'm sure there are plenty of others who've done it. For one, I just picked >up Zappa/Beafheart's "Bongo Fury", and Capt. Beefheart spurts some kinda >beat-ish poetry. I'm sure he did this on his own solo albums, as well... > >Who else has done it? Besides the Doors of, course... > > >Charlie > I was at the first ever "pro" gig that The Enid performed at Salford University (75/76 academic year), and they did poetry & prose pieces between the musical pieces. ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 24 10:47:22 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:47:22 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <199711232345.XAA02127@avalon.netcom.net.uk> Message-ID: More poetry Thoughts: Puts on jazz-duffer hat (*g*) & lights pipe... Stan Tracey wrote a jazz suite for 'Under Milk Wood', and the second recording of this has readings between the pieces, and he also produced a "Poet's Suite" more recently: the album doesn't have any poetry on it, but the performance that the BBC broadcast had poems from each of the four poets preceding each of the sections. ChrisW >On 23 Nov 97 at 14:20, herbert rosenberg wrote: > >> > Actually I'ven ever heard any poetry during any other concert than >> Hawkwind. >> > >> >> I'm sure there are plenty of others who've done it. For one, I just >> picked up Zappa/Beafheart's "Bongo Fury", and Capt. Beefheart spurts >> some kinda beat-ish poetry. I'm sure he did this on his own solo >> albums, as well... >> >> Who else has done it? Besides the Doors of, course... >> >> >> Charlie >> > >Patti Smith, for another. > >Burroughs contributions to recordings by many artists have never (to >my knowlege) been concert performances, but they are in much the same >vein as Moorcock/Calvert - and much more besides. Of course Burroughs >is in a category all by himself. Spare Ass Annie (The Disposable >Heroes of HipHoprisy) is perhaps the most critically acclaimed (and >with good reason). > >Ginsberg has done similar, definitely on stage a few times. > >And now I come to think of it, Kesey and even Lesh & Weir have >spouted madness at at least a few Dead concerts. > >Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also >one called "The Celtic Poets". > >I bet there are loads more... > >Alasdair >-- >alimac at netcomuk.co.uk >ICQ contact info... >http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 24 10:52:32 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:52:32 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <34794BE5.361D7EC2@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 02:41 24/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Moody Blues strike a bell here too-they >did get a bit strange in a couple of spots....I agree that MM"s stuff >would qualify. Sure is interesting to me that we're actually listening >to, albeit in a much different way, that we're listening to our parents >record collection:)Mom would kill for the Spiral Realms stuff, as well >as some of the others I enjoy. Betcha she'd really like Wolfstone:) >Hmmmm. > >Rock on! >Pam Yup - the Moody Blues definitely used spokenm word stuff - "On The Threshold Of A Dream"; I remember it fondly, though if I owned it, I'd probably never play it these days. It was beautifully packaged too, with all of thelyrics printed in a large "script" font on crisp white paper stapled in the middle of the gatefold (couldn't have done that so classily with a jewel case or a digipak) ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 24 11:00:29 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:00:29 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <1dTivGAL8Ue0Ewfw@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:55 24/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >In article <199711232345.XAA02127 at avalon.netcom.net.uk>, Alasdair >Macdonald writes >>Jah Wobble has issued an album with poetry of William Blake, and also >>one called "The Celtic Poets". > > >Cor, this sounds tasty! Any good? I love of Wobble and am partial to a >spot of Blake too. > >OFF : Who was the greater romantic poet, Wordsworth or Blake? > >-- >Jon Browne > BBB L AA K K EEEE !! B B L A A K K E !! BBB L AAAA KK EEE !! B B L A A K K E BBB LLLL A A K K EEEE !! as any fule no! Chris (Molesworth) W (Too much "Hello clouds, hello sky Fotherington-Thomas stuff from t'other guy!) ObBlake:"Jerusalem" from "The Cortege" by The Mike Westbrook Orchestra (& I have my name on the sleeve!) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 24 11:05:03 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:05:03 +0000 Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199711241415.JAA02071@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 14:10 24/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > >Well I still live in hope of one day finding the live 72 or 73 video I heard >about years back. This is NOT the Silver Machine "promo" thing but a full >show filmed by GermanTV. Maybe it doesn't exist, but I like to think it's >out there waiting on me!! > >Dave > I'm sure it does - I saw some amazing vintage rock shows breoadcast by WDR in the wee small hours of Saturday night & Sunday morning on cable when I lived in Belgium (including a whole night of Rory Gallagher just after he died). I reckon you could spend half a lifetime going through their archives! ChrisW From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 24 18:11:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:11:31 EDT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971124235818.006c9a10@online.no> Message-ID: > From: Christian Mumford > > Hell, look > >at that fancy bubble-top ride the pope cruises in these days. Wonder > >if it gets hot in there? > > Leave him in there in the sun long enough and maybe he will pop. > > Christian > Like a fuckin' sand crab! From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Nov 25 11:27:37 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:27:37 EST Subject: HW : 1999 Party ROCKS, TOO!! (Forward) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971124160503.006e885c@mcmail.com>; from "Chris Warburton" at Nov 24, 97 04:05:03 pm Message-ID: > I'm sure it does - I saw some amazing vintage rock shows breoadcast by WDR > in the wee small hours of Saturday night & Sunday morning on cable when I > lived in Belgium (including a whole night of Rory Gallagher just after he > died). I reckon you could spend half a lifetime going through their archives! > > ChrisW > Maybe bernhard could give them phone call,to check the possibility out. Since he's in Germany regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Nov 25 11:30:28 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:30:28 EST Subject: Truth is Out there In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971124234536.00910a8c@mailbox.mc.hik.se>; from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Nov 25, 97 00:45:36 am Message-ID: Can we all please stop this crap on boc-l or take it elsewhere. I have just had to sift through 100 or so messages and am pissed off. If people want to argue make it relevant. marty From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 19:38:35 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:38:35 GMT Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Yup - the Moody Blues definitely used spokenm word stuff - "On The > Threshold Of A Dream"; I remember it fondly, though if I owned it, I'd > probably never play it these days. It was beautifully packaged too, with > all of thelyrics printed in a large "script" font on crisp white paper > stapled in the middle of the gatefold (couldn't have done that so classily yep. I've still got it too 8-) I played it the other night and it wasn't that bad. In fact I still play In Search of the Lost Chord with pleasure and listen to the electronic bleeps chasing each other around the room from one speaker to another. I love that! > with a jewel case or a digipak) The Digitally Remastered has a booklet with interview but no lyrics, sadly 8-( extract from interview: (Ray Thomas talks) "one of the biggest problems was trying to convince Decca to let us have a gatefold sleeve and put a booklet inside... It was always a fight ... to get these luxury packages.. If it's that good, he'd say, you can put it in a brown paper bag - that was his attitude. And we'd say, no, the sleeve is part and parcel of it." jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 24 19:43:37 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:43:37 GMT Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > I was at the first ever "pro" gig that The Enid performed at Salford > University (75/76 academic year), and they did poetry & prose pieces > between the musical pieces. Does anyone want a couple of pieces of Enid vinyl? I've been trying to appreciate them for ages now and I think it's about time to give up. I really can't cope with these guys so if anyone is keen to relieve me of my albums (I think I've got two somewhere) let me know! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 24 19:44:17 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:44:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Truth is Out there In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971124214456.0092c9ac@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Daniel said: >As somebody pointed out, the "real satanist" acts are Black Metal, NOT Death >Metal. For maybe six years ago I wrote an essay on the topic of satanism >and I did an interview with the girlfriend of Count Grishnak, aka >"Greven", aka >Varg Vikernes, aka the one-man band Burzum. He was in jail for having burned >some churches in Norway and in Sweden (this was before he murdered the guy >Euronomious (or whatever he used to call himself) of the band Mayhem - the >crime for which he was given a life-time sentence) > Vikernes himself was also >examined by psychiatrists after the murder of the Mayhem-guy... and, if I my >memory doesn't fail, was found sane... so it was possible to send him to the >prison where he now lives - spending his time by making awful music in the >name >of the devil (or is it the Aesir Gods now?). I remember reading about this in Seconds magazine....coincidentally, it was the issue with the BOC article!....anyways, this was an interesting story....I remember Vikernes maintained throughout it that he didn't burn the churches but he knew who did....then he claimed that the guy he killed was actually planning to kill him, so he went after the guy first........ he had some pretty racist ideas about music though.....and he was definitely hung up on Tolkien's books >BTW: Do you remember the name of the Mayhem guy Varg killed? >Epidemeus? Eurounionius? Ementhaler? Analeus? Ansjouvius? Drittsekkeus? >Elkeus? according to the Seconds article, the guy's name was Oystein Aarseth and he went by the name of "Euronymous" Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Nov 24 19:44:23 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:44:23 -0500 Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971124203503.0092f724@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >> Now, getting >>Pearlman to work on the project again looks like a bit of a >>problem... >> > >What is he doing these days? > > - Daniel according to the interview in Seconds magazine, Sandy is currently working on interactive computer software, including a project about heavy metal music.....he has also said he was considering a computer game version of Imaginos..... oh, and according to Melne, he still owns Alpha & Omega recording studio in California.... Ted From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Nov 25 11:53:35 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:53:35 EST Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971124160029.006df87c@mcmail.com>; from "Chris Warburton" at Nov 24, 97 04:00:29 pm Message-ID: didn't mr brock read some of mike moorcocks stuff,to background music or was it the elric stuff. regards Marty From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Nov 24 21:16:11 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:16:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Murray Krugman, Bruce and forgotten things... Message-ID: Given the recent hullabaloo about Sandy P. and the Oyster Boys, I was wondering what role did Murray K. play in the production of those first 7 LPs. Also, how did BOC get hooked up with Bruce Fairbairn(sp?) on _tRbN_? Who produced the Stalk Forrest Group sessions? Whatever became of the other pre-BOC recordings outside of SFG? Are they still trapped helplessly in a vault? Who maintains these places? How different is the motor city's burnin version of Cities of Flame w/RnR than the version we all know and love? Why am I asking so many questions? Be very afraid of tBS's heaviness on "Hassan I Sahba," Jason From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Nov 24 23:48:31 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:48:31 -0500 Subject: Pearlman and the state of Imaginos... Message-ID: Well, folks, as some of you might recall, I'm in the process of preparing a comic book version of Imaginos which will complete the story. Granted, this isn't nearly as exciting as a couple of new BOC albums to finish it up would be, but it's better than nothing... I'd hoped to have made more progress with the project by this point, but I'm trying to find an established artist with a fondness for BOC (and, in the best of worlds, Imaginos), and that's pushed things back a bit. Sandy's taking the long view when it comes to moving Imaginos into other media, so patience is recommended. I last talked to him on the phone about a year ago, and he expressed the hope that they might re-release Imaginos once the comic book is published. We shall see! Steven Tice Calliope Comics From dawa at GORILLA.NET Tue Nov 25 04:10:22 1997 From: dawa at GORILLA.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:10:22 -0600 Subject: BOC: First Post & Question Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I've been lurking around on the B?C/HW list for a while now and up until this point, while enjoying the posts, I have never really had a reason to post anything myself. Until now... This weekend while doing some CD shopping at a local record store I found The Reaper - Blue ?yster Cult - Best CD. You know the one, the 1993 import from Germany, the one that I always thought would be nice to have but was too damn expensive to buy until I found it for less than 10 dollars. Yeah that one! Well anyways, I love the CD, and it is nice to have some of these songs on CD, especially The Vigil (one of my all time favourites), and the 2 cuts from Imaginos. I am gradually trying to buy everything on disk since all the cassettes I bought years ago have all long since worn out. I know some of them will be tough to find - especially Imaginos. I do have the 3pak of the first three albums, and I've got Workshop too. Well, back to why I am posting in the first place. Does anyone know where I can find a translation of the German liner notes that accompany the import disk? Is it in the FAQ? It looks like it would be a pretty good read. Anyways thats about all for now. Thanks! Dawa From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 25 05:17:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:17:47 -0000 Subject: First Post & Question Message-ID: > > Well, back to why I am posting in the first place. Does anyone know where > I can find a translation of the German liner notes that accompany the > import disk? Is it in the FAQ? It looks like it would be a pretty good > read. Anyways thats about all for now. Thanks! > > Dawa I did translate these ages ago, not that my German is *that* good - it went the way of all flesh with a certain hard drive a few years ago. Unless John still has a copy? Mostly it was pretty familiar stuff, though - anything interesting went into the FAQ. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 25 05:19:52 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:19:52 -0000 Subject: Truth is Out there Message-ID: Daniel said > BTW: Do you remember the name of the Mayhem guy Varg killed? > Epidemeus? Eurounionius? Ementhaler? Analeus? Ansjouvius? Drittsekkeus? > Elkeus? I don't know much Swedish, but I do know "drittsek"... you can't (always) slip these through! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 25 05:24:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:24:00 +0000 Subject: OFF/HW: Poetry With Music In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's mail of Mon, 24 Nov 97 15:47 +0000 Message-ID: On 24 Nov 15:47, Chris Warburton wrote: > More poetry Thoughts: > > Puts on jazz-duffer hat (*g*) & lights pipe... There's an album of Ginsberg reading his poetry to a jazz backing, which is quite good. Philip Glass has set some Ginsberg to music too, although I think the lyrics are sung in a conventional classical style rather than simply read. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 25 05:26:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:26:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's mail of Mon, 24 Nov 97 18:46 +0000 Message-ID: Just how big is a Komplete Kollecktion? Every time I think I've heard of every obscure release there can possibly be, someone reports some new piece of esoterica that I've never heard of! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 05:43:43 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:43:43 GMT Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there In-Reply-To: Alasdair Macdonald's message of Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:35:16 +0000 Message-ID: > > All right, All Right, ALL RIGHT already!! Let's just all to agree > > to disagree in terms of the religious/supernatural here, o.k.? > > Contrary to some popular beliefs, the Devil has got NOTHING to do > > with rock and roll!! So how come he has all the best tunes? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 05:46:25 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:46:25 GMT Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock Message-ID: Yup, I reckon that's him on Welcome to the Future. So was he at this gig or was that track taken from some other gig? FoFP From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Nov 25 06:15:31 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <199711241846.SAA08496@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <199711241846.SAA08496 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> on 24/11/97, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> Just been doing a quick piece of web searching (via the Albatross BDL> links) and found that Vinyl Tap have a web page. Currently they have BDL> loads of Hawkwind on offer including two "Choose Your Masques" tour BDL> programmes. BDL> BDL> They also have an interesting selection of Calvert vinyl on offer BDL> including a green "Cricket Star" flexi disc priced at 30.00 pounds UK. BDL> Other vinyl is the "Captain Lockheed" lp (reissue) price 10.00 pounds BDL> Lord of the Hornets 7" for 20 pounds and another with sellotaped cover BDL> for 10.00 pounds. "Lucky Leif" lp (orig) for 25 pounds. BDL> BDL> The web address is www.vinyltap.co.uk/welcome.html BDL> BDL> jill BDL> ================================================================= BDL> ========= J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk BDL> eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk BDL> ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk BDL> ----------------------------------------------------------------- BDL> --------- Thanks Jill for the info; they also have a portuguese edition of Urban Guerilla - 7 " for # 40 !!! And they focus on related artists: BIG AMONGST SHEEP DAVE BROCK HAWKLORDS HAWKWIND ZOO INNER CITY UNIT LLOYD LANGTON GROUP ROBERT CALVERT Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 25 06:28:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:28:45 EDT Subject: Pearlman and the state of Imaginos... In-Reply-To: <971124234830_1470528818@mrin39> Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice > Well, folks, as some of you might recall, I'm in the process of preparing a > comic book version of Imaginos which will complete the story. Granted, this > isn't nearly as exciting as a couple of new BOC albums to finish it up would > be, but it's better than nothing... I'd hoped to have made more progress > with the project by this point, but I'm trying to find an established artist > with a fondness for BOC (and, in the best of worlds, Imaginos), and that's > pushed things back a bit. Sandy's taking the long view when it comes to > moving Imaginos into other media, so patience is recommended. I last talked > to him on the phone about a year ago, and he expressed the hope that they > might re-release Imaginos once the comic book is published. We shall see! > > Steven Tice > Calliope Comics What about Christian? He could handle the artwork for ya... From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 25 08:16:12 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:16:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there Message-ID: >> > All right, All Right, ALL RIGHT already!! Let's just all to agree >> > to disagree in terms of the religious/supernatural here, o.k.? >> > Contrary to some popular beliefs, the Devil has got NOTHING to do >> > with rock and roll!! > >So how come he has all the best tunes? Because he owns all the major record company people in the industry.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 08:19:22 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:19:22 GMT Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > Thanks Jill for the info; they also have a portuguese edition of Urban > Guerilla - 7 " for # 40 !!! > > And they focus on related artists: > BIG AMONGST SHEEP > DAVE BROCK > HAWKLORDS > HAWKWIND ZOO > INNER CITY UNIT > LLOYD LANGTON GROUP > ROBERT CALVERT > > Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? It was a Nik Turner outfit during the Punk Season. I think he was Producer or Manager or sommat for the band for a while. I haven't (I confess) got any of their albums so don't know if NT actually features on any of them but John Peel used to play tracks from the band on his shows so they must have been uniquely good enough to engage his attention. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 25 08:31:10 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:31:10 -0600 Subject: Truth is out there...but not in here Message-ID: >Can we all please stop this crap on boc-l or take it elsewhere. >I have just had to sift through 100 or so messages and am pissed >off. If people want to argue make it relevant. >marty BOC - L "The nexus if the crisis, the origin of storms..." Agree Marty. How many people have to ask that this thread die or be taken elsewhere. A little consideration please. Thanks lil ab From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 25 08:51:22 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:51:22 -0600 Subject: BOC: Imaginos can be completed Message-ID: > Mr Bouchard is certainly holding the flag high (one the BOC have > > shunned) from tBS stuff I've heard, but as you say, it's Sandy's baby. > > To quote the Spinal Tap movie..."Currently residing in the 'Where Are > > they Now' file...". Certainly one would hope that Sandy would be willing to sit down with Al and finish the Imaginos saga. But is he really necesarry? Al has the juice to go it alone, perhaps re-do the whole thing and put his stamp on it. Musically, finishing Imaginos is a piece of cake. tBS would be the core instruments but I would supplement them with some of the brightest people in the progressive rock field today. Folks like Jon Oliva and Zak Steven of Savatage, members of Dream Theater, Queensryche and perhaps King's X. Compared to some of the modern stuff the music of Imaginos sounds a bit dated, subtle changes in the original arrangements would give it fresh appeal. > True enough. But it never was a BOC project anyway, really, though > granted members of BOC did contribute to pieces of the project along > the way. And, given the shady dealing surrounding the Imaginos > recording that did see light of day, it would take gigantic balls the > size of hot-air balloons for BOC to try anything else with the > project. Really, the only way for Imaginos to do what it originally > attempted, would be for a full-out BOC reunion WITH SP, and the odds > of that are nearly incalcuable... I'm not sure I agree that Imaginos was not a BOC project or that reuniting the band is the only way to go. True Al and Sandy were alone fostering the concept and attempting to put it on disc but the record company wanted the band involved and to release it under their name. Irregardless of how it was made members of Blue Oyster Cult did perform on this so bottom line it was a BOC project. Is the current band needed to re-do it, hell no. These guys have long gone their separate ways and Al & tBS has the means (maybe not the time) to do it. We should not however presume that a remake of the full classic would not interest Buck, Eric and the band. Maybe they have gone in a completely new direction but we can't know that unless they speak to it themselves. Perhaps someone who participates on the AOL chats can toss that one out. I for one would like to hear Buck's guitar on a re-make. One wish, Al if you ever do bring the full saga to life on disc, don't stop there, be like George Clinton and TAKE IT TO THE STAGE MAN! lil' ab "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey pay attention." EMB OBCD - Space In Your Face, Galactic Cowboys From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Tue Nov 25 08:37:29 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:37:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Web record hunting Message-ID: >Olivier Boigey writes: >> Thanks Jill for the info; they also have a portuguese edition of Urban >> Guerilla - 7 " for # 40 !!! >> >> And they focus on related artists: >> BIG AMONGST SHEEP >> DAVE BROCK >> HAWKLORDS >> HAWKWIND ZOO >> INNER CITY UNIT >> LLOYD LANGTON GROUP >> ROBERT CALVERT >> >> Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? >It was a Nik Turner outfit during the Punk Season. I think he was >Producer or Manager or sommat for the band for a while. I haven't (I >confess) got any of their albums so don't know if NT actually features >on any of them but John Peel used to play tracks from the band on his >shows so they must have been uniquely good enough to engage his >attention. >jill I'm pretty sure that Nik played sax on one of their albums. I can't remember which, though, 'cause I haven't listened to 'em for ages. I'll check it out tonight. Mr Ola From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 25 02:04:02 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:04:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: <199711250043.AAA16557@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 00:43 25/11/97 GMT, you wrote: >Chris Warburton writes: > >> I was at the first ever "pro" gig that The Enid performed at Salford >> University (75/76 academic year), and they did poetry & prose pieces >> between the musical pieces. > >Does anyone want a couple of pieces of Enid vinyl? I've been trying >to appreciate them for ages now and I think it's about time to give up. >I really can't cope with these guys so if anyone is keen to relieve me >of my albums (I think I've got two somewhere) let me know! > >jill I enjoyed seeing them at the time - novelty value I guess - but I've never liked any of their albums much - "Hello clouds, hello sky" again! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 10:22:26 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:22:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <199711251319.NAA17935@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > Olivier Boigey writes: > > > And they focus on related artists: > > BIG AMONGST SHEEP > > > > Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? > > It was a Nik Turner outfit during the Punk Season. I think he was > Producer or Manager or sommat for the band for a while. I haven't (I > confess) got any of their albums so don't know if NT actually features > on any of them but John Peel used to play tracks from the band on his > shows so they must have been uniquely good enough to engage his > attention. He appeared on at least one album, which I cannot remember the title of, but it might have something to do with Golden Daffodils (Wordsworth's). They also supported ICU during my 2nd year as an undergrad, so that would be in 1985. I thought they were more spacey/rocky than punk - similar to Underground Zero (but not that similar), but it has been a long time since I listened to the record. A punk band whose LP he appeared on is Peter Pan hits the Suburbs, where he appeared on the track everything stops for baby, which has been released on CD. Mike w From micci at SCI.FI Tue Nov 25 11:10:06 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:10:06 +0200 Subject: HW: Web record hunting Message-ID: >"Lucky Leif" lp (orig) for 25 pounds. > I saw this or captain lockheed (one or the other) in one Finnish record shop. It?s cost about 22 pounds, if I remember right. If someone intresting here is email address Popangel at popangel.fi They also have www pages in address www.popangel.fi Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 11:41:42 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:41:42 GMT Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? Were they a cross between Atomgods and, errr Ozrics? > Olivier FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 11:57:20 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:57:20 GMT Subject: FS: Radio Shows- BBC Rock Hours, early 80s] Message-ID: Someone's chance to own a really rare BOC item? ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From: bbcrock at hotmail.com > Subject: FS: Radio Shows- BBC Rock Hours, early 80s > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:03:26 -0600 > Message-ID: <880400956.20072 at dejanews.com> > Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.progressive,rec.music.marketplace.vinyl > Organization: Deja News Posting Service > Path: newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!server6.netnews.ja.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!recycled.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail > X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Nov 24 19:49:17 1997 GMT > X-Authenticated-Sender: bbcrock at hotmail.com > X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; U) > X-Originating-IP-Addr: 192.239.91.147 (pc1-147.health.org) > Lines: 366 > Xref: newsfeed.ed.ac.uk alt.music.alternative:206340 alt.music.progressive:30871 rec.music.beatles:201909 rec.music.progressive:74008 rec.music.marketplace.vinyl:61822 > > BBC Rock Hours: > > Your chance to own the radio shows that have been on your fan discography > for years. Authentic 15-year-old radio shows on vinyl records with > original commercials. I have been emailing fan page webmasters for > weeks, letting them have "first crack" at these shows and I?ve sold off a > sizeable portion of my collection. But they all must go and preferably, > go before January 1, 1998, so I am offering them on the usenet. > > All vinyl is visually-graded Mint (I have never played any- found these > when I moved into my new place), these were originally stored in paper > sleeves w/ handwritten names of the bands and the cue sheets inside the > paper sleeves, so there may be slight friction there, fyi. If you must > know the quality, I can check, but to be blunt I expect the demand to be > high for these, based on the copious amounts of email I have received so > far. I cannot "hold" these or "reserve" these while you decide and leave > others hanging. If you are ordering, please email me with your name and > address and the shows you want. I will put those as ?claimed? for the > period of 7 days. That should be enough time for you to get the check or > money order and get to the post office and get the letter to me (Foreign > orders, check with me). I received one check the day after I responded > to an email, it can be done. So if you?re just a casual fan, please let > the rabid fans get to the shows first. If a lot of people want one show > (and I get all the emails in the same day), I may auction it off. In the > past month, I had maybe 1 in 5 orders go bad and then I had to go back > and tell the dedicated buyers that yes, the record they wanted really was > available after all. Also, please bear with me when you email. It can > take a day or to for me to go through the 20-30 emails per day that these > lists usually generate. I will respond ? > > The BBC Rock Hours contain either live sets or interviews. I have not > listened to these, so I am not familiar with which shows are which. You, > the fans of the bands, have kept track of that much better- there is much > info available online. > > These will all be shipped in corrugated record mailers with cardboard > liners. I have shipped records for years when I worked with labels. > Shipping charge: $3 shipping per show, $0.75 for postal insurance. > Contact me for other options. > > Feel free to ask any questions. Feel free to make an offer for large > orders. I have done mail-order for 8 years. > This list is good until December 6, 1997, so you have 13 days. After that > they may be sold offline or at auction. > > Don > bbcrock at hotmail.com > > ps- shows I sold included Dio, Sparks, Wang Chung, the Alarm, etc. Never > underestimate the rabid fans. > > BBC Rock Hour #237 > Blue Oyster Cult > September 13, 1981 > 1 vinyl LP w/ Cue Sheet > $20 > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 25 12:30:33 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:30:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Chicago Message-ID: What is this? Hawkwind - "Live at the Chicago auditorium" - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 25 12:47:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:47:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Chicago In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's mail of Tue, 25 Nov 97 18:30 +0100 Message-ID: On 25 Nov 17:30, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > What is this? > Hawkwind - "Live at the Chicago auditorium" That's the 1999 party. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 13:00:04 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:00:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Chicago Message-ID: On tis 25 nov 1997 18.30 +0100 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > What is this? > Hawkwind - "Live at the Chicago auditorium" Same as _The 1999 Party_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Nov 25 13:28:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:28:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Chicago Message-ID: At 05:47 PM 11/25/97 +0000, you wrote: >On 25 Nov 17:30, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >> What is this? >> Hawkwind - "Live at the Chicago auditorium" > >That's the 1999 party. > >Dave. Hupp!!! :-) Thanx. - Danne "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 25 14:00:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:00:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: reply to the truth is out there. Message-ID: Could we take the anti-religious rhetoric off of BOC-L at this point, please? This thread should've died by this point, and if people want to bitch about churches raising money or how the Pope gets from here to there, please don't do it on my time. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 25 14:06:17 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:06:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: First Post & Question Message-ID: Somewhere I have a translation of those liner notes - I think they were done by BOC-Ler Andy Gilham (they were done by someone here on BOC-L - sorry if I got the credits wrong in my haste). Can't seem to find them at the moment. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 25 14:12:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:12:44 -0500 Subject: First Post & Question Message-ID: Guess I shoulda read Andy's post first ;-) Let me take another look for that file . . . Ah, here it is - thanks again to Andy Gilham for the translation... Metallica guitarist Kirk Hammett names BOC as his most important musical influence, and the relevant specialist press labels the group the American answer to Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. Actually, hardly another hard rock band would receive so much critical praise in their career as BOC. So write Barry Graves and Siegfried Schmidt-Joos - neither especially known as friends of Heavy Metal - in "Das neue Rock-Lexicon": "Blue Oyster Cult brought together the rock magic of the Doors, the hysterical pathos of Black Sabbath, the cynical boogie of the Rolling Stones and the apocalyptic ecstasy of the MC5 in such a fantasy-laden manner, that the first LP would immediately be deemed the album of the 70s. And they behaved with such technical superiority that their "music of the spheres" (Daily News) already sounded almost mannered" Also, Christian Graf wrote in his "Rock Musik Lexicon", "BOC stand for ideas, not dumb heavy rock and occasioned an American metal-boom which at the beginning of the 80s exploded on both east and west coasts." While BOC achieved superstar-status in the USA with four gold albums, and the brilliant multiple-platinum Agents of Fortune, they remained almost an underground band in Europe. The beginnings of BOC reach back to 1967. The initiator was their future mentor and producer Sandy Pearlman, who also helped Pavlovs Dog on their way. In those days, he still worked his fingers to the bone writing journalism for the rock magazine "Crawdaddy". Together with his friend Richard Meltzer, in the same year at Stony Brook University in Long Island, he made a pilgrimage to the Monterey Pop Festival: "Afterwards, Sandy was totally fascinated and obsessed with the idea of creating and managing a band," recalls Meltzer. So said, so done: Meltzers buddy John Wiesenthal served as keyboard player, and bass-guitarist Andrew Winter was also quickly found - he worked in Pearlmans fathers drugstore. Also, Winter brought guitarist Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (b. 12 Nov 1947) with him. Roeser was in those days enrolled at Stony Brook University - which can be regarded as the birthplace of BOC. Roeser brought his friend and fellow student Albert Bouchard, his signs(?) drummer, in his wake. The group first of all called itself Cow, then Soft White Underbelly, and performed all sorts of psychedelically coloured rock songs. Very soon came another Stony Brook student into the band: Allen Lanier (b. 25 June 1946) replaced Wiesenthal on the drums. [Should be "keyboards" - AG] At that time Meltzer and Pearlman wrote nearly all the songs. Then the destitute students played in small New York bars and clubs without a lead singer. Les Bronstein finally ended this vocal-less phase. But he was, according to Meltzer, not a happy choice: "Les got the job as lead singer in the first place because he had a truck which we needed to move our equipment." All the same, Elektra gave them the opportunity to record some songs, but with Les Bronsteins singing nothing was to be sold - the material remained unpublishable. A disastrous appearance at the Fillmore East in New York immediately prompted Pearlman to change the name to Oaxaca, and to fire Les Bronstein. His replacement was Eric Bloom (b. 1 Dec 1944), who today still forms the front line and supports Roeser on guitar. Again there were studio recordings with Elektra, the band meanwhile called Stalk Forrest Group, and the bass now driven by Albert Bouchards brother Joe (b. 9 Nov 1948). But Elektra refused an actual recording contract. Finally, in 1971, it worked out. Sandy Pearlman, who concentrated more and more on the management of the band, persuaded Murray Krugman of Columbia Records with a new demo tape. In the subsequent days everyone loved them. Recording contract - no problem, though another name had to be found. Pearlman suggested Blue Oyster Cult. In just two weeks the line-up recorded the eponymous debut - with milestones like "Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll" and "Then Came the Last Days of May". And they touched a nerve with demanding rock fans and critics. Co-writer Meltzer wrote bizarre-ironic lyrics of sadistic policemen, drug-informers and the Altamont disaster, which would "function as the perfect music for horror-lovers" (Das neue Rock-Lexikon) "It is, as if Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick were to tell each other stories about their sexual lust-dreams", gushed the Rolling Stone, and outdid themselves with a charming description of an "excellent balance between aesthetics and ass-kicking". After the release of their debut in 1972, BOC toured with Alice Cooper. Their fans became numerous. The clever, but outlandish, Pearlman ("life is just an illusion") gave them a mystical-rebellious image and steered them deliberately in the direction of Black Sabbath: the Greek symbol of Kronos, the sign of Chaos, would become BOC's trademark and brought them into association with black magic. Singer Bloom took to the stage wearing silver-mirrored shades, and the hottest leather gear of any rock shouter of the day: "You couldn't get that stuff in those days, I had to buy it in gay shops or sex shops." Blue Oyster Cult's next onslaught, _Tyranny and Mutation_, in 1973, gave them a first sniff at the charts. The LP reached number 95 in the US. A year later, _Secret Treaties_ climbed to number 44. BOC persistently developed in stage concept and sound. Their frequent stage appearancves are documented on 1975's live double album, _On Your Feet or On Your Knees_, which spent ten weeks in the American charts. From this classic is taken the melodic-dramatic "Last Days of May" on this CD. The success visibly gave the band security and musical selfconfidence. In the beginning, Pearlman and Meltzer wrote a large proportion of the songs, but now the band largely controlled their compositional fate. Especially Roeser, surely the most proficient of BOC's musicians, as a deft soloist as well as a songwriter, wielded the pen more than ever for _Agents of Fortune_. With success: the album achieved platinum status in the USA. Admittedly the disc didn't go higher than number 32, though constant sales provided 35 weeks in the charts. The standout track was undoubtedly the Roeser composition, "(Don't Fear) the Reaper". This eerily beautiful psychedelic number, with its balladesque mosaics is quite simply the characteristic and outstanding Cult track. "The essence of glorious rock music", said the NME. Fragmented guitar chords, melodic choruses, and strikingly mystical guitar-riffs catapulted the single into the top 20 in England and the USA. Admittedly, BOC still hadn't played in Germany, but were on the radio more and more often. On this smash hit you can hear as backing-singer Patti Smith, who at that time was in a relationship with keysman Allen Lanier. Blue Oyster Cult were at this point megastars and headliners in the USA. For a long time, the group had enough of the leather image dictated by the management, and, now, finally freed themselves from their dress code. "Lots of people associated our music with really false meanings. Through the clothing, we would often be taken for Sadomasochists, Nazi gangs, or occult heavies, though these comparisons are really absurd," said Donald Roeser. In 1977 appeared _Spectres_, a further strong BOC-opus. Admittedly commercial, it did not go platinum, especially in the USA, it was "only" gold, though with the hard-rock-belter "Godzilla" - again written by Roeser - it contained another BOC classic. In 1978_Some Enchanted Evening_ established itself as a powerful live recording, not only in America's hit parade, but also was the first BOC LP in the English charts - and in the top 20. "R. U. Ready 2 Rock" showed the full stage presence of the band, and on the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" one can imagine that it's Mr Eric Burdon himself swinging the microphone, so bluesy were BOC. In 1979, BOC risked a first musical gamble. Up to now produced in New York by Pearlman and Krugman, the band took a new producer for the first time with Ted Werman. _Mirrors_, recorded in California, sounded plainly commercial and had little in common with hard rock. The fans didn't accept the transformation into a pop group. _Mirrors_ stopped in the States at number 63 in the hit parade. Nevertheless, "Dr Music" and "The Vigil" deserved more recognition. No wonder, that on _Cultosaurus Erectus_ in 1980, BOC struck a harder tone once again - this time under the direction of producer Martin Birch, who had already, with Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, collected adequate metal experience. One song, "The Marshall Plan", tells the story of the rise of a rock-star: at a trip to a rock concert, Johnny's girlfriend suddenly vanishes into the band's limousine and leaves him standing alone. From this moment on, the very young Johnny decides to be a rock star himself: "Boy, it wouldn't be somebody else taking my girl away...". The song sensitively describes the longings and evolution, as Johnny plays the riff from "Smoke on the Water" on his guitar, and suddenly makes the breakthrough. _Cultosaurus Erectus_ reached number 25 in the English charts, more successful than in the USA, where it merely reached number 52. Pearlman, meanwhile also manager of Black Sabbath, brought the two bands together for a tour in 1980 under the heading, "The Black and Blue Tour". The magazine "Performance" praised the show as the "tour of the year". The live recording played in the cinemas in 1981. In the same year, BOC worked on the music-film _Heavy Metal_. More importantly, they produced, with _Fire of Unknown Origin_, perhaps their best album. BOC shone with many-sided style-elements and different arrangements. "Stereo Review" described the work as "inexorable, high voltage, nocturnal myth". Alongside typical headbangers like "The Black and Silver" or "Heavy Metal", they risked themselves, with "Joan Crawford", even on classical ground: Allen Lanier's heroic piano intro wasat that time a huge surprise. But above all the hit single "Burnin' for You" brought BOC to a world-wide audience again. The disc stayed in the US charts for three and a half months. The long-player climbed in the USA to number 41, while in England in reached even higher to number 24. _Fire of Unknown Origin_ also brought a personnel change. The long-time drummer Albert Bouchard would be shown the door, since he visibly wanted to set the tone for BOC. [I'm not certain I've got all the nuances of this phrase - AG] His replacement was Rick Downey, until then a roadie, and responsible for the drum sound on the tour. The year 1981 was completely taken up with a world tour: in all, two million people flocked to 130 BOC shows. As an aural document, their third live album, _Extra-Terrestrial Live_, appear in 1982: number 29 in the American charts and eleven weeks duration, read the successful bottom line. Roeser finally realised his dream of a solo album. But _Flat Out_ (1982) was not a success, and so failed BOC's guarantee of success this single time. As _Mirrors_ in 1979, the next opus, _The Revolution by Night_, in 1983, seemed a problem for the band. Always, when the quintet had registered success, they had ventured onto new musical territory. But the varying styles evoked, and the many-sided talents, would not be rewarded. The fans showed themsleves to be unconvinced. Finally BOC's experiment, to serve change instead of Hard Rock standard brew, rebounded on them, so that they could never in concert with the commercial big leagues play. So they experimented on _The Revolution by Night_ with ballad-heavy pop-music, electronic drums and ethereal keyboards. "Shooting Shark" amazed with slap-bass - played by Randy Jackson - and a fat horn section. Admittedly, the undoubtedly expertly arranged song proveded itself a minor hit in the USA - the single placed for three weeks in the top 100, while the music press described the work as being as smooth as an eel. They forgot, moreover that only the song "Take me Away" was sure to meet the diet of hard rock fans. Guest guitarist Aldo Nova - with whom they toured England - played an experienced rock lead. After that, BOC allowed themselves a well-earned rest. But first, 1985 presented the band in another setting with the album _Club Ninja_. Lanier had resigned and would be replaced by Tommy Zvoncheck, who had previous experience with Public Image Ltd and Dream Syndicate. At the drums now sat Tommy Price, who came from Rick Derringer's band. Apart from the satisfying "White Flags", the work had little to offer. BOC were running out of ideas. In 1988, they tried, with the concept album _Imaginos_, to return to the old days. In the meantime, Allen Lanier had returned. Over several years, the band, together with Sandy Pearlman, developed the concept. Dynamic highlights and dramatic moments, as in "In the Presence of Another World", can be counted on the musical side. On the other hand, there are long-winded passages and many a clumsy arrangement. Time had passed the album by. Since then, they have quietly become so-called rock-dinosaurs, but they can still, by their endless touring, count on their true fans. - Volker Koerdt Sorry if part of this got screwed up - I did a cut and paste and some lines appear to have been repeated. John From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 25 14:40:52 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:40:52 GMT Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <199711251319.NAA17935@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:19:22 GMT, you sent through the ether: >It was a Nik Turner outfit during the Punk Season. I think he was >Producer or Manager or sommat for the band for a while. I haven't (I >confess) got any of their albums so don't know if NT actually features >on any of them but John Peel used to play tracks from the band on his >shows so they must have been uniquely good enough to engage his >attention. Not strictly true, They were just friends/fans of Niks who lived way oop north, they asked him to play on their LP he did. I have a single of theirs somewhere.. very 80`s new wave.. -Steve From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 25 14:58:45 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:58:45 -0500 Subject: First Post & Question Message-ID: Thanks for postng the article John,. a great read, really enjoyed it. Teri From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Nov 25 15:36:36 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:36:36 -0500 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: Humano wrote: > > My top ten has about two hundred in it and changes weekly but here's And heres mine: 1. Hawkwind - Space Ritual Alive 2. Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence 3. Ozric Tentacles - Strangeitude 4. Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters 5. Gong - Angels Egg 6. Hawkwind - Palace Springs 7. Steve Hillage - Fish Rising 8. Klaus Schulze - Blackdance 9. Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo 10. Various Artists - Space Box 1970 and beyond, Space, Krautrock & Acid Trips -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Nov 25 17:22:29 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:22:29 +1000 Subject: HW: Griffin Titles available again! Message-ID: Hi all, Just got this from Rob Godwin: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:19:17 -0800 From: Robert Godwin Reply-to: cgp at globalserve.net Organization: CG Publishing Inc To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind Hi there, Don't know if you remember me? Rob Godwin (ex of Griffin Music). Anyway just thought you might like to pass this info on to the Hawk/BOC list. The Griffin Music inventory has been released by the liquidators. Anyone needing Hawkwind or other Griffin stuff can order it from 905-333-3001 (Isotope Music). Another tidbit of info that may be of interest, the Metal shield (solid die-cast) CD set will be available for a very short time. Only 250 made. They will be available at the Philadelphia record fair as well as from the number above. This is the package which Griffin put together just before going bump. All 250 have been tied up tight behind the iron curtain of litiginous aliens for over a year. Get yours while you can! Best Rob -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 25 16:51:12 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:51:12 -0000 Subject: First Post & Question Message-ID: Thanks for that, John! That was quite a lot of work once upon a time! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From dawa at GORILLA.NET Tue Nov 25 17:34:44 1997 From: dawa at GORILLA.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:34:44 -0600 Subject: First Post & Question Message-ID: Thank You, John & and thanks to Andy Gilham as well for the translation. I knew somebody had to have it. Much appreciation. Dawa -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1217 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 25 18:57:23 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:57:23 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin Titles available again! In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:22:29 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > Hi all, > > Just got this from Rob Godwin: .... > The Griffin Music inventory has been released by the liquidators. Anyone > needing Hawkwind or other Griffin stuff can order it from 905-333-3001 > (Isotope Music). > Another tidbit of info that may be of interest, the Metal shield (solid > die-cast) CD set will be available for a very short time. Only 250 made. > They will be available at the Philadelphia record fair as well as from > the number above. > This is the package which Griffin put together just before going bump. Has anyone got more details about what this is? Is it Hawkwind stuff? I've just given them a phone but of course everyone has gone home so all I could do was leave a garbled message on the answermachine - somehow I don't think they'll be phoning me back 8-( > All 250 have been tied up tight behind the iron curtain of litiginous > aliens for over a year. Get yours while you can! Whatever I can do to help! Good luck Rob and I hope you get what you need to help you out. thanks for posting this Paul! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Nov 25 20:17:56 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:17:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Titles available again! In-Reply-To: from "Sonique" at Nov 26, 97 08:22:29 am Message-ID: Sonique writes: > > Hi all, > > Just got this from Rob Godwin: > >> Don't know if you remember me? Rob Godwin (ex of Griffin Music). Only the best friend Hawkwind ever had in the music industry! >> just thought you might like to pass this info on to the Hawk/BOC list. >> The Griffin Music inventory has been released by the liquidators. Anyone >> needing Hawkwind or other Griffin stuff can order it from 905-333-3001 >> (Isotope Music). >> Another tidbit of info that may be of interest, the Metal shield (solid >> die-cast) CD set will be available for a very short time. Only 250 made. What is this he's talking about? I don't recall ever hearing about this before. Steve swann at panix.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 25 20:38:57 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:38:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Griffin Titles available again! Message-ID: > >> Another tidbit of info that may be of interest, the Metal shield > >> (solid > >> die-cast) CD set will be available for a very short time. Only 250 > >> made. > > What is this he's talking about? I don't recall ever hearing about > this before. I have a vague recollection of a special edition of one album - maybe _Undisclosed Files_? - that was supposed to be in a metal box with the Doremi emblem on the front? Maybe that's it? For kollektors only, I think! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Nov 25 21:18:13 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:18:13 -0500 Subject: Listening to 1999 Party... Message-ID: I got The 1999 Party just the other day and I've listened to it a couple of times, and it's pretty cool and everything, but it actually sort of irritates me because I think it could have been a much better release than it is. The problem of which I speak is the mix job! Yes, even though Dave Brock did it, I just have to wonder what he was thinking. Certainly it has been the trend on Hawkwind's more recent stuff to mix the guitars lower and the vocals and bass higher, and I think he definitely carried this idea too far on the live album. The guitar is mixed rather low, virtually inaudible a lot of the time. The vocals are way out front, as is the bass. If the guitars and synths could be brought up, and the vocals and bass brought down a bit, I think we would really have a masterpiece, but as it is I find myself straining to imagine it with a different sound! Let's hear your guitar Dave! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Nov 25 21:57:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:57:44 +1000 Subject: HW: New stuff in the US Message-ID: Hi stateside Hawkxters, If Gary hasn't allready posted .... he (Artist Shop) has the 2 new HW CD's available on import: http://www.artist-shop.com/catalog/imports/f-j.htm#h Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 25 21:24:36 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:24:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ (Review) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-22 13:41:54 EST, you write: << BTW, Mike Coleman is getting back on the ball again. He was as >> depressed as anyone would be for missing StrangeDaze. I should be >> getting my copies of DH and 1999 soon. >> Coleman has 1999 for about $33.00. He can get it to you in a hurry. Call 972-991-6621. Don't forget to bust his balls for missing StrangeDaze. Mention my name for a BIG discount...........not. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 25 21:27:43 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:27:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: THE BEVIS FROND NYC,12/2 Message-ID: The Bevis Frond will play the Mercury Lounge in NYC on 12/2. Who's goin?? RON? Karyn? Bill? Hold on, I' m Bill. Bill? regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 25 21:30:10 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:30:10 -0500 Subject: HW: DH vs. ... (Forward) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-22 21:06:10 EST, you write: << I focused the magnifying glass that brought the downfall of Icarus. >Baloons were easy, a simple pin, or a knife in the case of the zeppelin. >That blade was the cause of many a prang, in the early days of stick and >string. >I am the gremlin, I was there, making mischief in the air, >and always will be wherever man flies in the face of creation's plan. > > - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters >> Sung by Arthur Brown. regards, Bill Stewart From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 25 23:08:28 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:08:28 -0500 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: One more set... 1. Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time 2. Amon Duul II - Wolf City 3. Hawkwind - Space Ritual Alive 4. Nektar - Journey to the Centre of the Eye 5. Gong - Angels Egg 6. Magma - Udu Wudu 7. Dead Flowers - Altered State Circus 8. Faust - IV 9. Hawkwind - Quark, Strangeness, and Charm 10. Steve Hillage - Fish Rising That just for today...tomorrow could be quite different. Keith H. (FAA) From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed Nov 26 00:54:15 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:54:15 -0600 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:36:36 -0500 Marc Power wrote: [his list] Question: Does _Close_To_The_Edge_ count as a psych album? (it's up there on the list if it does.) Damon From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Wed Nov 26 01:51:04 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:51:04 -0800 Subject: HW: Web record hunting Message-ID: . > > > Not strictly true, They were just friends/fans of Niks who lived way oop > north, they asked him to play on their LP he did. > > I have a single of theirs somewhere.. very 80`s new wave.. > > -Steve Big Amongst Sheep -- "Terminal Velocity" Here it is, that record I bought for a buck, because it has NT, but only listened to once. Release date '82, "Special Guest -- Nik Turner: Sax & Flute" Charlie From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Nov 26 02:41:54 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:41:54 +0200 Subject: Silver Machine 7 inch Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if the serial number 45 UP 35381 A-1U is the original release of the Silver Machine 7 inch? It has a very cool blue and silver cover! Also, I met a guy here in denmark who has some mint condition HW records to sell,. He has the Warrior Shield cover, first record, space ritual, PXR5, Quark (with inner sleeve), Astounding SOunds, and one or two others. He is the one who took the great pictures of HW in denmark in the early 70's that are on Sonnique's web page! SCott ObCD- In the Labrinyth- garden of Mysteries (Sweden) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 26 04:17:37 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:17:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Big Amongst Sheep. In-Reply-To: <19971126065320499.AAA141@herbrose> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, herbert rosenberg wrote: > Big Amongst Sheep -- "Terminal Velocity" > > Here it is, that record I bought for a buck, because it has NT, but only > listened to once. > Release date '82, "Special Guest -- Nik Turner: Sax & Flute" I think he is on Radioactive Daffodils, but the track listing is Time & Again, Flying to the future, Stone circle, Anarchy in the skies, Striding edge, Dunmail raise Radioactive daffodils, Out of this world, Terminal velocity, Tranquility zone, Pond sludge dwellers, Astral goldhawks There is a single (also out on Solid Rock Records) called Astropop, with Radioactive Daffodils and Tranquility Zone taken from Terminal Velocity. Just something else for all you Nikompletists out there. Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 04:28:40 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:28:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <49737726.14942194@technolink.org> Message-ID: In article <49737726.14942194 at technolink.org>, Olivier Boigey writes >Who are these Bigamongst Sheep ? > >Olivier > > Nik recorded with them. However, I think he did only one track. Could be wrong here. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 26 07:13:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:13:51 EDT Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira Message-ID: Malpractising Surgeons Infect Kingsbury's Leaving their trepaning borers and hammers back in their boxes, the Brain Surgeons instead chose drumsticks, voices and amplified guitars to give a lucky group of converts some very specialized bedside manner. Judging by the deranged looks of delirium on the faces of the faithful, the operation was a complete success. Albert Bouchard, late of heavy rock giants Blue Oyster Cult, blew into Elmira with his current band the Brain Surgeons Friday night to play microscopic Kingsbury's. A shoulder-to shoulder crowd of appreciative rockers who braved a night of horrible driving rain to attend, heartily approved. The Surgeons performed songs from all four of their Cellsum releases, plus a generous sampling of tunes Albert made famous with Blue Oyster Cult. Lead vocals came mainly from pint-sized powerhouse Deb Frost, Al's wife, and a former rock critic. Deb also provided guitarwork on several songs. A dual guitar attack, courtesy of a towering and newly-shorn Peter Bohovesky and Billy Hilfiger, Nigel Tufnel's evil twin fueled the show with high-octane string slashing. A highlight of the second set came during 'I Play the Drums,' when Albert, not merely content with crushing his drumkit, proceded to actually play the room. But not in the traditional manner. No, Albert took his sticks to the building itself, hammering out his beat on windows, floors, bars, patron's beer bottles--anything that would stand still for his assault. The crowd was wild in its reception, and swarmed the band members during breaks, requesting autographs and photo opportunities. One lucky patron captured the event on video. The Brain Surgeons were full of surprises this night, the greatest, no doubt, being their rendition of a--get this--Lynyrd Skynyrd tune, Simple Man, sung by Billy and dedicated to two men apparently known to the local crowd, who howled their assent. At the conclusion of the show, Albert treated the crowd to a solo, impromptu version of 'Death Valley Nights' from Blue Oyster Cult's watershed album Spectres. The quiet rendition on which Al accompanied himself on guitar provided an eerily contemplative afterglow to the evening's wildly electric show, easing the crowd back from the ledge toward which they had hurtled. The first set included many songs Al had written for his previous group, and it delighted this reviewer to hear them sung by their original, and penultimate performer. The anthemic Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll, restored that song to its mythic status among the rock cognnoscenti, while the second set's Dominance and Submission reminded us all what an essential gem that song has become within the heavy rock canon. Rejuvenated by its creator's voice, and infused with new menace by a triple guitar threat with Deb Frost joining on a Stratocaster that dwarfed her diminutive stature, this classic tune truly regained its trademark air of uncertainty and upheaval. In the wake of this monstrous show, the stunned patrons recovered sufficiently to show their heartfelt appreciation, and treated Al and company to repeated kudos. Well past 1am, the crowd remained to talk with band members and purchase CDs and band paraphenalia, and just generally hang with the band. The enthusiastic outpouring of support for this creative and daring group bodes well for the future of heavy rock music. "Dr. Bouchard, to the OR--stat!" theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 26 08:40:19 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:40:19 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira Message-ID: Geez, I'm gonna have to give up trying to write reviews of tBS shows myself, what with all the talented writers here and all. The only flaw in Theo's most excellent review of the Elmira show was no mention of the bottom end being held down by bassist David Hirschberg -- sorry Theo, but NOBODY ignores the bassplayer on MY watch! ;-) Anyways, I'd like to use your review on my tBS website, if you don't mind (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop) - let me know via e-mail if it would be o.k. (or not) to do so. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 26 07:55:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:13 EDT Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: <199711261340.IAA19575@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > The only flaw in Theo's most excellent review of the Elmira show was no > mention of the bottom end being held down by bassist David Hirschberg -- > sorry Theo, but NOBODY ignores the bassplayer on MY watch! ;-) My apologies! David kicked ass that night for sure. I had to dash that off in between trying to actually work for a change, so I didn't get to say everything I would have like to... > > Anyways, I'd like to use your review on my tBS website, if you don't > mind (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop) - let me know via e-mail if it > would be o.k. (or not) to do so. > > John Take my review--please! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 08:58:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:58:00 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr.'s mail of Wed, 26 Nov 97 08:13 -0400 Message-ID: An excellent review, but one sentence caught my eye: On 26 Nov 12:13, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > Lead vocals came mainly > from pint-sized powerhouse Deb Frost, Al's wife, and a former rock > critic. How many vocalists were there? It reads like there were two -- Deb, and an anonymous rock critic. You could even stretch it to three! It tickled my funny bone, anyway. I'd change "and" to "who is", but your taste may vary. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 26 08:59:57 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:59:57 PST Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: >>Furthermore, I don't think that being "those for whom it was >>written" can conversely lead to the ability to write the bloody >>thing.....It just don't jive. >Complete it? No. But contribute to it, of course. And since it is >an open-ended piece [as I see it, any comments?] why can't we make a >valid contribution to it? Right. This is, I think, what I was meaning to say. I don't think the work can be finished, and I'll admit I was wrong to suggest that just because we love it, that we can do it too. I think I was being a bit selfish in saying that, I mean, my publisher thinks I can write - she's has made a bit of money from my books, so she's entitled to her opinion! I live off my ability to write and love immersing myself in the splendour of the Imaginos Cycle, such as it is today, so I'd really like to contribute something more towards it than just my cash for LP's and CD's and gigs, and there's really only one other thing I've got. What the thrust (& parry?) of my post was supposed to be is this.....Does anyone feel like I do and have the "balls the size of hot-air balloons" to actually put pen to paper and contribute to the mythos? I totally hate to make the comparison (but it is there) to the Cthulu Mythos and it's post-Lovecraft contributors, Brian Lumley, August Derleth, et al. They didn't spoil the original work, but they spawned a fascinating offshoot, legitimate in its own right. >I'm certainly up to taking a stab at the music, though I'd be less >than comfortable in trying to come up with lyrics... I'm the other way around - - - - The music part I couldn't touch. >Clearly Al has no shortage of inspiration for material these days. As far as I'm concerned, the Albert Bouchard music and presentation is the dogs balls and no-one could beat him in this area. But that's just me, and maybe it's just blarney. It's pretty damn clear that Pearlman supplied the concept and the bulk of the ideas and Al threw in the music plus a hell of a lot of the images (check out Screams). >Now, getting Pearlman to work on the project again looks like a bit >of a problem... Maybe we should make a concerted effort to get him to reveal the entireity of the existing Soft Doctrines to the hungry public. The whole of the existing work is most definitley greater than the work which has been revealeed to us mere mortals so far. Why doesn't he create an Imaginos Site. Oh. I've just attempted www.imaginos.com, and guess what - taken. I'll just wait while it downloads... Oh dear - a WebPage company. Breach of copyright? Anyone know?? >>True enough. But it never was a BOC project anyway, really, though >>granted members of BOC did contribute to pieces of the project along >>the way. >I'm not sure I agree that Imaginos was not a BOC project or that >reuniting the band is the only way to go. True Al and Sandy were >alone fostering the concept and attempting to put it on disc but the >record company wanted the band involved and to release it under their >name. Yeah. Hmmmm. I think certainly Al and probably Sandy were forced by the record moguls into getting the BOC boys onto the LP. There was a full album waiting to be pressed and they refused unless it had the Cult name, Cult performances and much less A.B. vocals. And since records companies kinda own your recordings when they're at this stage, Albert was shafted every which way. I for one won't deny the validity of the Imaginos record we finally got - Buck has got a special voice for songs like Magna of Illusion, and the way Astronomy turned out raises hairs on the back of neck - but I would dearly love to hear how the pre-Oysters Imaginos sounded. It's musical personality and clarity might just have been superior. Albert, if you're listening...how unlikely is quiet (mail-order) release of the proper version? On a scale from "no chance" to "what, do you want me in jail?". > Regardless of how it was made members of Blue Oyster Cult did >perform on this so bottom line it was a BOC project. Hmmm again. I can't follow your logic. They just recorded over a previously completed work. >I for one would like to hear Buck's guitar on a re-make. That would be nice, but (someone somewhere will crucify me for this) IMHO Buck's playing doesn't have the instantly-identifiable quality it used to. But then, I don't think anyone who plays for as long as he has retains the sounds they had in their youth, just look at Tony Iommi, Eric Clapton, Justin Heyward, Les Paul, Jack Bruce, Ritchie Blackmore, Billy Gibbons, the list goes on. >Certainly one would hope that Sandy would be willing to sit down with >Al and finish the Imaginos saga. But is he really necessary? Al has >the juice to go it alone, perhaps re-do the whole thing and put his >stamp on it. Albert has, I'm sure, but... ...Does the Imaginos LP need re-done. I think not. ...How much more has Sandy Pearlman created, and how much of this is Albert aware of? ...Any legitimate Imaginos Mythos releases would have to have Bouchard/Pearlman input and approval. This is why nobody else can contribute, except as a form of "inspired by" or "based on" writing, which can be exceptionally good, perhaps even endorsed by AB&SP, but it would never and should never be seen as actaully being part of the cycle >Musically, finishing Imaginos is a piece of cake. tBS would be the >core instruments but I would supplement them with some of the >brightest people in the progressive rock field today. Folks like Jon >Oliva and Zak Steven of Savatage, members of Dream Theater, >Queensryche and perhaps King's X. Compared to some of the modern >stuff the music of Imaginos sounds a bit dated, subtle changes in the >original arrangements would give it fresh appeal. Good idea, perhaps another version of the Guitar Orchestra of Imaginos. I can just see Ty Tabor play cathedral-guitar-shapes to tales of secret alien powers. >So Chris, have you seen tBS in concert? If so, what's your opinion? >theo I live in Belfast, so I am never gonna get the chance to see either tBS or BOC unless I travel to the US. One day I'll do it, but not for a while yet. I'm trying to get my own group of the ground and that's taking up most of my time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Destruction is not negative, you must destroy to build. ---->Die Interimsliebenden (Lovers in the Interim) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 26 09:06:10 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:06:10 +0000 Subject: HW: covers???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Sonique wrote: (Yes all those days ago) > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if these tracks have anything at all to do with HW, or is it > just co-incidence?? > > http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/205917 > > http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/118360 > one of these is the Daniel Lanios track entitled something along the lines of 'Where the Hawkwind kills' and having got this album and listened to it twice I can say there is no HW link, either stylistically or thematically. If people are desperate I could decipher the lyrics, but it really is not worth the candle. The DL album is not his winona one, but the older one with lots of U2 and eno people doing boring american folk stuff, a bit like the cowboy junkies (but not very like the cowboy junkies). Mike w From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 26 09:08:30 1997 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:08:30 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: <23EDC177BB3@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Nice review! But I'm not sure that Deb would appreciate the references to her as 'pint-sized' and 'diminutive' (based on my experience with a similarly statured girlfriend). As it happens, BOCs original lineup were collectively fairly short, particularly Buck - but reviews of their shows don't normally refer to Buck being dwarfed by his guitar! D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 26 08:13:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:13:52 EDT Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: <199711261358.NAA12175@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Dave Berry > An excellent review, but one sentence caught my eye: > > On 26 Nov 12:13, Ted Jackson jr. wrote: > > Lead vocals came mainly > > from pint-sized powerhouse Deb Frost, Al's wife, and a former rock > > critic. > > How many vocalists were there? It reads like there were two -- Deb, and > an anonymous rock critic. You could even stretch it to three! It > tickled my funny bone, anyway. > > I'd change "and" to "who is", but your taste may vary. > > Dave. Really, if you look at it, it looks like there were 3 vocalists! Deb, Al's wife, and a critic... Hey, I started it last night after being on the job for 12 1/2 hours and finished it this morning before my coffee! Guess I'll have to give SU their english degree back... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 26 08:23:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:23:42 EDT Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Hardman DK > Nice review! But I'm not sure that Deb would appreciate the references to > her as 'pint-sized' and 'diminutive' (based on my experience with a > similarly statured girlfriend). As it happens, BOCs original lineup were > collectively fairly short, particularly Buck - but reviews of their shows > don't normally refer to Buck being dwarfed by his guitar! > > D > I bel;ieve my exact words were 'pint-sized powerhouse.' I don't know too many folks who would object to being called a powerhouse. I used that imagery on purpose to convey that she had musical power way beyond her size... Jeez, wait'll you post your next review! theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 09:28:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:28:00 +0000 Subject: HW: covers???? In-Reply-To: M S Wright's mail of Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:06 +0000 Message-ID: On 26 Nov 14:06, M S Wright wrote: Hey Mike, thanks for reminding me: > On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Sonique wrote: > > (Yes all those days ago) > > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know if these tracks have anything at all to do with HW, or is it > > just co-incidence?? > > > > http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/205917 This one is on an album by Deboko Hajime/Yamantaka Eye. I don't know the album, but one of the tracks on the Gong You ReMixed album is by Yamataki Eye, which sounds close enough for one of them to be a mis-spelling of the other. The tracklist for the above album suggests a couple of re-mixes/parodies or something: 1.Eepman 2.Test Tube 3.Thank You For Not Thinking 4.Pulp Wars 5.Sticky Beethoven's Pipeline 6.Lauging Eskimo 7.Damascus 8.Yoga Dollar 9.Pro Pollution 10.My Rainbow Life 11.Bad Hawkwind 12.We Live So there might be a connection here. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Nov 26 10:08:39 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:08:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Web record hunting In-Reply-To: <19971126065320499.AAA141@herbrose> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Charlie wrote: > Big Amongst Sheep -- "Terminal Velocity" > > Here it is, that record I bought for a buck, because it has NT, but only > listened to once. > Release date '82, "Special Guest -- Nik Turner: Sax & Flute" Isn't the _Terminal Velocity_ attribution in the archived discography? I remember back in its very early days, when I was doing my bit to flesh it out, I gave a copy to my bookdealer, Mick Lyons, who was a massive Nik Turner/ICU fan, and asked if there was anything he could add. Naturally, a fair bit of Nik info was included, including the Big Amongst Sheep link. When in doubt, consult the BOC-L Hawkwind discography, codex, and lyrics files. Everything's in there somewhere; really. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Thick as a Brick (25th Anniversary Edition)_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 26 09:13:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr.) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:13:51 EDT Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth In-Reply-To: <19971126135958.15994.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Hoarse Whisperer > >I'm not sure I agree that Imaginos was not a BOC project or that > >reuniting the band is the only way to go. True Al and Sandy were > >alone fostering the concept and attempting to put it on disc but the > >record company wanted the band involved and to release it under their > >name. > I have to clarify here. I was thinking of the Imaginos record that was released under the BOC moniker. Certainly BOC members contributed to songs that were part of the cycle written throughout the BOC years: ME262, Astronomy, Subhuman etc. all appeared on BOC albums and BOC members either co-wrote or performed on them... > > Regardless of how it was made members of Blue Oyster Cult did >perform > on this so bottom line it was a BOC project. > > That would be nice, but (someone somewhere will crucify me for this) > IMHO Buck's playing doesn't have the instantly-identifiable quality it > used to. But then, I don't think anyone who plays for as long as he has > retains the sounds they had in their youth, just look at Tony Iommi, I take it you haven't heard Buck live lately? I've seen BOC live regularly since Secret Treaties, and, he is playing, far and away, the best guitar of his career right now. And I think most on BOC-L would concur on this... theo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "...it's legal, but it ain't a hundred percent legal..." v.vega From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Wed Nov 26 10:18:35 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:18:35 +0200 Subject: HW: covers???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message ID on 26/11/97, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> one of these is the Daniel Lanios track entitled something along BDL> the lines of 'Where the Hawkwind kills' and having got this album BDL> and listened to it twice I can say there is no HW link, either BDL> stylistically or thematically. Right, the link from the Canadian Daniel Lanois to HW should remain in this - good album - producer, Brian Eno.... Song says "Where the Hawkwind kills, the blood runs deep" the rest is beyond my damaged ears... Olivier - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Nov 25 14:09:19 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:09:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rory Gallagher In-Reply-To: <199711250027.LAA06206@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: Hi there At 11:27 25.11.97 EST, you wrote: >> I'm sure it does - I saw some amazing vintage rock shows breoadcast by WDR >> in the wee small hours of Saturday night & Sunday morning on cable when I >> lived in Belgium (including a whole night of Rory Gallagher just after he >> died). I reckon you could spend half a lifetime going through their archives! >Maybe bernhard could give them phone call,to check the possibility out. >Since he's in Germany Rory did a handfull of gigs in Germany which were broadcasted bei the WDR They were: WDR, Studio, 06.10.1976, 115 min (video) Essen, Gruga Halle, 22.07.1977, 65 min (video) Loreley, Open Air, 1977 100 min (audio) Bernhard From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Nov 26 11:23:35 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:23:35 -0500 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: > On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:36:36 -0500 Marc Power wrote: > [his list] > > Question: Does _Close_To_The_Edge_ count as a psych album? (it's up > there on the list if it does.) > > Damon Hard to say, I would certainly figure Tales of Topographic Oceans as Psych though. Marc -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From micci at SCI.FI Wed Nov 26 11:35:30 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:35:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Web record hunting Message-ID: > >Big Amongst Sheep -- "Terminal Velocity" > >Here it is, that record I bought for a buck, because it has NT, but only >listened to once. >Release date '82, "Special Guest -- Nik Turner: Sax & Flute" > >Charlie Hi! If you not need it, maybe you could sell it to me? :-) Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Nov 26 11:36:14 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:36:14 -0600 Subject: HW: Griffin Titles available again! In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: HW: Griffin Titles available again!" (Nov 26, 1:38am) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > >> Another tidbit of info that may be of interest, the Metal shield > > >> (solid > > >> die-cast) CD set will be available for a very short time. Only 250 > > >> made. > > > > What is this he's talking about? I don't recall ever hearing about > > this before. > > I have a vague recollection of a special edition of one album - maybe > _Undisclosed Files_? - that was supposed to be in a metal box with the > Doremi emblem on the front? Maybe that's it? For kollektors only, I > think! :) It is "Undisclosed Files" in the metal box. If anyone is interested in this, the person to talk to at Isotope Music is Jerry (905-333-3001). They are located outside of Toronto. The shield metal box set is $US 59.99. I ordered mine today along with a couple of other albums I couldn't find in stores. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 "Engineers are always honest in matters of technology and human relationships. That's why it's a good idea to keep engineers away from customers, romantic interests, and other people who can't handle the truth." - Scott Adams From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Nov 26 03:37:05 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:37:05 -0700 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: Marc Power wrote: > Humano wrote: > > > > My top ten has about two hundred in it and changes weekly but here's > same here:) > > > And heres mine: > these go in the Music bag I put together for the week-kinda a top 10- Rush-Power -WindowsHawkwind-ALien 4 IQ-Nomzamo Jethro Tull-Broadsword & the Beast Camel-Harbour of Tears Klause Schulze-Dig it Wolfstone-The Half Tail Jon-Michel Jarre-Zoolook Eloy-Dawn & Power& the Passion Genesis-Nursery Cryme Pink Floyd-Atom Heart Mother Porqupine Tree-On the Sunday of Life Than I add Ozrics, Marillion, perhaps some Tangerine Dream, and go from there:) Lots to choose form-but not enuf yet:) > Rock on!!Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Happy Thanksgiving to all of those that celebrate!!!! Enjoy!! Pam & Cliff Wheaton. Boise Idaho,USA. -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool I just spoke to Jerry at Isotope (they're a distributor, not a retail outlet.) The Metal Shield is the Undisclosed Files. The price is $59.98 plus $10 for shipping ( it weighs 5# !) They'll accept checks or money orders to CG Publishing Inc. Box 1592 Lombard Il 60148 thanks to Paul for the initial post!! They'll be compiling a catalog of the other Griffen titles soon. Mark From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 13:04:11 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:04:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971125070402.006b9914@mcmail.com> Message-ID: On 25-Nov-97, Chris Warburton wrote: >> >>Does anyone want a couple of pieces of Enid vinyl? I've been trying >>to appreciate them for ages now and I think it's about time to give up. >>I really can't cope with these guys so if anyone is keen to relieve me >>of my albums (I think I've got two somewhere) let me know! Which albums have you got? I have most albums and some are better than others and certainly easier to get 'in to'. 'Something Wicked this Way Comes' is probably the most rock like. 'In The Region Of The Summer Stars' is also good IMO. I think they are a band you really have to be in the mood for. Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 08:07:46 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:07:46 +0000 Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock In-Reply-To: <199711251046.KAA27952@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199711251046.KAA27952 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >Yup, I reckon that's him on Welcome to the Future. > >So was he at this gig or was that track taken from some other gig? > >FoFP Phew, for a moment there I thought no one would agree with me. Howabout he appeared for this number and then guested for the encores? Mark From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Nov 26 14:54:05 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:54:05 +0100 Subject: top ten psych lps In-Reply-To: <347BDFB1.9313E29C@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Um, this thread should be called top ten PROG lp's! "Psych" may be somewhat in the eye of the beholder but I see very little "genuine" psych here, and the few psych lp's are IMO more "prog" anyway... I mean - c'mon - Yes = psych? Tull's Broadsword And The Beast? GENESIS!!?? Jarre!!!?? Marillion?!!!! C'mon!! Christian From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 14:35:32 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:35:32 GMT Subject: Listening to 1999 Party... In-Reply-To: <199711260218.VAA06381@wcic.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:18:13 -0500, you sent through the ether: > I think it could have been a much better release than >it is. The problem of which I speak is the mix job! Yes, even though Dave >Brock did it, I just have to wonder what he was thinking. Precisely! If the thing had the same type of mix as Space Ritual it would be awesome.. as it is it`s only "good" ..what about that Tamborine thats 2000% louder than everything else halfway through disk one.. nasty! All the vocals are too loud, the synths are too quiet.. pah! another missed oppertunity. (don`t get me wrong, it`s still the best Hawks release since PXR5...) -Steve -Opinions `r` us. From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Nov 26 15:45:08 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:45:08 -0500 Subject: Wanted: Words to 'Watching the Grass Grow' Message-ID: Hi SpaceRockers, When we (B0RNtoG0) play Cleveland on Saturday, we have been asked to do a 2-hour set since the support band has pulled out. I would like to fill out our mostly original set with a few covers of my favorite SpaceRock tunes. Watching the Grass Grow - anyone have the words? email them to me at mpower at fcmc.com please and we will try and rehearse it tonight. Cheers in advance. Anyone coming to the Cleveland show on the list? Its Saturday 11/29/97 at the Symposium, not sure what time (ask Jim Lascko, SpaceRock promoter extraordinaire, hes on this list). If you have a fave SpaceRock track that you'd like to hear us play at Cleveland, let me know and I'll see what we can do. Lets have our own 1999 SpaceRock party at Cleveland! Cheers! Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes. (site in progress). "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 26 16:11:04 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:11:04 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin - confirm Box No please! In-Reply-To: Clemens's message of Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:20:24 -0700 Message-ID: Clemens writes: > CG Publishing Inc. > Box 1592 Could somebody please confirm this box number. I've just phoned Jerry and he told me the number was "Box 1952". I checked twice with him about this so it should be correct but if someone could do an independent verification before I stick my ill-gotten lucre in the mail I'd be grateful. Ta jill > Lombard Il 60148 > > thanks to Paul for the initial post!! > > They'll be compiling a catalog of the other Griffen titles soon. > > Mark > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 26 16:20:44 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:20:44 GMT Subject: Words to 'Watching the Grass Grow' In-Reply-To: Marc Power's message of Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:45:08 -0500 Message-ID: Marc Power writes: > Hi SpaceRockers, > > When we (B0RNtoG0) play Cleveland on Saturday, we have been asked to > do a 2-hour set since the support band has pulled out. > > I would like to fill out our mostly original set with a few covers of > my favorite SpaceRock tunes. > > Watching the Grass Grow - anyone have the words? email them > to me at mpower at fcmc.com please and we will try and rehearse it > tonight. Cheers in advance. > ================================================= Watching the Grass Grow ======================= We are the Survivors The eternal survivors Androgynous energies Travelling through time Particle Accelerators Morality Degenerators Dadata Disseminators Cyclotron attenuators Hyperspatial Conflagrators MEST Integrators Well your neutron bomb neutralised your history Wiped cancer from the Earth, and mystery Now we're pushing over concrete Blowing up the rockery Watching the garden Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow We all know where the flowers went today Media explosion blew them all away After the thunder Always comes the rain We're coming up again Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow Post future reality, it's a better real world Post future reality, it's a real better world Post future super-reality, it's a real super world Post holocaust hilarity, it's a super real world Post future surreality, it's sure a surreal world Post future surreality, it's a real surreal world Tell me Doc Spock have you got all your answers Ephemeral vision recalling the dancers Picking up the pieces In a progress picture Taking samples to his curator Letting the grass grow Watching the grass grow Pieces of the omniversal zoo But will we survive? we always do We're coming up again We're coming up again We're coming up again Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow __________________________________________________________________________ Good luck with your show. Two hours!! Any chance of a tape 8-) Have fun jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Nov 26 17:30:55 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:30:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: Rob also filled me in with the following: > Hi Paul, > As far as I know the entire inventory was released. So that would be > anything that we had when we closed the doors. I know for sure that there > is a LOT of Hawkwind there. Probably upwards of a couple of hundred of > every piece. > > Best > > Rob and (re: Metal Shield box) > Hi Paul, > Thanks for posting the news for me. I don't know what the retail price is > yet. It was only released for sale this morning so the price will probably > be set in the next 48 hours or so. > > best > > Rob and finally > Hi Paul, > Got the final price on the shield. It is $59.95 (US$) plus $10 for > shipping (it's really heavy) and comes with the Griffin CD of Undisclosed > Files. It can be ordered from CGP Inc PO Box 1952, Lombard, Illinois, 60148 > USA by check or Money Order. > > Best regards > > Rob Godwin Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 26 16:33:12 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:33:12 GMT Subject: Wanted: Words to 'Watching the Grass Grow' In-Reply-To: <347C8A54.12BD@fcmc.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:45:08 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Watching the Grass Grow - anyone have the words? email them >to me at mpower at fcmc.com please and we will try and rehearse it >tonight. Cheers in advance. Jill beat me to it.. Mind you my phonetic version wouldn`t have made much sense.. :) Hint: WTGG only sounds any good if you play the whole thing with down strokes! -Steve From makmorn at QIS.NET Wed Nov 26 17:19:10 1997 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:19:10 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira In-Reply-To: <23EDC177BB3@library.syr.edu>; from Ted Jackson jr. on Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 08:13:51AM -0500 Message-ID: An excellent review, but one sentence caught my eye: > The first set included many songs Al had written for his previous > group, and it delighted this reviewer to hear them sung by their > original, and penultimate performer. ^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't think this word means what you think it means. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net I have known Geryon. He is not worthy of trust. -- _Inferno_ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 25 18:38:21 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:38:21 +0000 Subject: off: top ten psych lps In-Reply-To: <347C4D07.4310@fcmc.com> Message-ID: At 11:23 26/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:36:36 -0500 Marc Power wrote: >> [his list] >> >> Question: Does _Close_To_The_Edge_ count as a psych album? (it's up >> there on the list if it does.) >> >> Damon > >Hard to say, I would certainly figure Tales of Topographic Oceans >as Psych though. > >Marc > If pretentious twaddle counts as psych (sorry) personally I'd go for "The Yes Album" - it's back to "are there any good studio double albums": I've struggled to think of any myself in the rock field apart from "Tago Mago" by Can, and putting my "jazz duffer" hat on, there's "Bitches Brew" by Miles Davis, and I reckon that's as psychedelic as anything ever released. Some great double live psychedelia our very own dear "Space Ritual" and the original "Live/Dead" an album that truly turned my head inside out. Note for Deadheads and other interested parties there's a very nice Dead "Primer" in the new issue of "The Wire", and a rave review of something called "Space Expolosion" which features the combined talents of Moebius (Cluster), Zapp & Peron (Faust), Chris Karrer (Amon Duul ii), Jurgen Engler (Die Krupps) & Guru Guru drummer Mani Neumeier. ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 25 18:22:57 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:22:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rory Gallagher In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971125200919.007dd100@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsu rf.de> Message-ID: At 20:09 25/11/97 +0100, Bernhard replied: >Hi there > >At 11:27 25.11.97 EST, you wrote: >>> I'm sure it does - I saw some amazing vintage rock shows breoadcast by WDR >>> in the wee small hours of Saturday night & Sunday morning on cable when I >>> lived in Belgium (including a whole night of Rory Gallagher just after he >>> died). I reckon you could spend half a lifetime going through their >archives! > >>Maybe bernhard could give them phone call,to check the possibility out. >>Since he's in Germany > >Rory did a handfull of gigs in Germany which were broadcasted bei the WDR > >They were: > >WDR, Studio, 06.10.1976, 115 min (video) >Essen, Gruga Halle, 22.07.1977, 65 min (video) >Loreley, Open Air, 1977 100 min (audio) > > >Bernhard > When I get the chance, I'll check which ones are on my videotapes - I'm sure there are more than these three...On a separate night I can remember a set from the Loreley, and later in the broadcast (which included a Dave Edminds/Nick Lowe set) there was some kind of all-star finale which (I think) included Rory, and David Lindley playing a sort of weird lap-steel guitar which had been gimmicked & shaped to be worn round the neck whilst standing. ChrisW ObCD: Fast Life/David Murray Quartet + 1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 25 18:41:44 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:41:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:04 26/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >On 25-Nov-97, Chris Warburton wrote: >>> >>>Does anyone want a couple of pieces of Enid vinyl? I've been trying >>>to appreciate them for ages now and I think it's about time to give up. >>>I really can't cope with these guys so if anyone is keen to relieve me >>>of my albums (I think I've got two somewhere) let me know! > >Which albums have you got? I have most albums and some are better than others >and certainly easier to get 'in to'. 'Something Wicked this Way Comes' is >probably the most rock like. 'In The Region Of The Summer Stars' is also good >IMO. I think they are a band you really have to be in the mood for. > >Si > Actually, it was jill who admitted owning albums - I just saw them live... ChrisW OBservation: The CD's finished playing.... From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Nov 26 20:08:34 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:08:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and some HW Message-ID: Hi! OK, anybody who knows what the band Dead Flowers are (i.e were...) like? I've searched the Net for soundfiles but I couldn't find any. ... instead I found this: http://www.primenet.com/%7Ezazereth/main2.htm Worth checking out... big Dave Brock connection! (I beg your pardon if this is a wellknown site for you... but I had never heard of it before) mvh - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Nov 26 20:57:57 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:57:57 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira Message-ID: >penultimate > I don't think this word means what you think it means. Maybe it's a premonition! From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Nov 26 23:19:12 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:19:12 -0500 Subject: tBS in Elmira--a "penultimate" review...:-) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-11-26 17:49:58 EST, you write: << An excellent review, but one sentence caught my eye: > The first set included many songs Al had written for his previous > group, and it delighted this reviewer to hear them sung by their > original, and penultimate performer. ^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't think this word means what you think it means. >> Y'know, I've seen no less a personage than Marillion's Fish misuse that term... It sounds like an intensifier, but it's not. It really means "next to the last." So, hmmm, Albert was the next to the last performer that day...:-) SET (Wondering if this might lead to a Marillion/Fish thread...:-) From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Nov 27 01:30:08 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:30:08 +0200 Subject: HW:glastonbury 72 Message-ID: Hej, I just got a tape called Hawkwind- Town Hall, Glastonbury 2-16-72. I thought this might be anew show that has not been circulated among the live tape collectors, but I think the first 25minutes is really Top Gear 71' and the next 20 minutes is a incomplete version of you shouldn't do that from I don't know where. Great space sounds to open it and good quality! Anyone heard of this tape? Scott ObCs- Frank Marino- Washington DC 12-82 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Nov 27 01:27:49 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:27:49 +0200 Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and some HW In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971127010834.00917ecc@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Hej, >OK, anybody who knows what the band Dead Flowers are (i.e were...) like? >I've searched the Net for soundfiles but I couldn't find any. > >... instead I found this: >http://www.primenet.com/%7Ezazereth/main2.htm >Worth checking out... big Dave Brock connection! (I beg your pardon >if this is a wellknown site for you... but I had never heard of it before) > > mvh - Daniel > They were an excellent bands whose first release was sort of a heavy guitar psych thing and then they progressed with the 2nd lp, Moontan, but the real classic is the Altered State Circus, which has killer melting psych guitar, mixed in with some tim blake like synth sounds. A classic psych lp and one of my all time faves. The band has disbanded and the guitar player is now doing a techno label. They did release one 7 inch record as well. scott ObCs- Journey- Diamond Head, Hawaii 1/1/73 (vooddo chile!) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Nov 27 04:02:02 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:02:02 -0800 Subject: OFF: Dead Flowers and some HW Message-ID: an excellent bands whose first release was sort of a heavy guitar > psych thing and then they progressed with the 2nd lp, Moontan, but the real > classic is the Altered State Circus, which has killer melting psych guitar, > mixed in with some tim blake like synth sounds. A classic psych lp and one > of my all time faves. The band has disbanded and the guitar player is now > doing a techno label. They did release one 7 inch record as well. > > scott > Good descrip, but I would warn that ASC has a touch of a modern "grunge" sounds, (sorta like some of Sundial's stuff)... Also, I found that the use of the synth, while having juicy-sounding tones, was a bit repetitive... Charlie From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 04:39:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:39:45 +0000 Subject: top ten psych lps In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971126205405.00781bdc@online.no> Message-ID: Pebbles Vols 1-10 (but I did have to think about it!) -- Jon From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Nov 27 04:59:44 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:59:44 -0700 Subject: top ten psych lps Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > Um, this thread should be called > top ten PROG lp's! "Psych" may be somewhat > in the eye of the beholder but I see very > little "genuine" psych here, and the few > psych lp's are IMO more "prog" anyway... I > mean - c'mon - Yes = psych? Tull's Broadsword > And The Beast? GENESIS!!?? Jarre!!!?? > Marillion?!!!! Hey dude-I had to make do here-my psych collection at this point is miniscule-It mainly consists of Hawkwind, Orb, Gong, Pink Floyd and maybe a couple of other weird ones I've got buried in the tape pile:) :) <<>>I'm NOT taking this a a flame-btw:) I am working on this collection, btw-any recommendations? Rock on!! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool >Just wondering if you caught my post re: the Imaginos comic book project. If >Sandy Pearlman and I have anything to say about it, the story WILL be >finished, though not necessarily in musical form... > >Steven Tice >Calliope Comics > Yep, I caught this loud'n'clear. Didn't say anything 'cos I was writing in a hurry. It's good to hear that the concept is gonna get finished, and I reckon a comic or series of graphic novels could be totally cool. I have thought that just tying the work up in print could leave it a little one dimensional, or at least take a lot of the fizz out of it after what we've been used to with words & music, but comics had never crossed my mind. Now that you've made that connection, my head is spinning with the possibilities. I really looking forward to reading whatever you come up with. What sort of style will you be using and when can we expect to see a first issue?? Keep me, and the rest of BOC-L informed! Thanks, Chris. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Destruction is not negative, you must destroy to build. ---->Die Interimsliebenden (Lovers in the Interim) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 27 05:38:32 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:38:32 PST Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: >>From cando at highfiber.com Wed Nov 26 20:29:32 1997 >Received: from [208.131.137.191] (ip191.dial-up.highfiber.com [208.131.137.191]) by kewlaid.highfiber.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08862 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:29:20 -0700 (MST) >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:29:20 -0700 (MST) >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM >From: cando at highfiber.com >Subject: Re: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth > >Nice post! > >James Coburn >Albuquerque, NM (USA) > > > Cheers man! Any comments, constructive criticism, or funky ideas? Anyway, this list has far too much Hawkwind on it, so let's talk more BOC. Chris. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Destruction is not negative, you must destroy to build. ---->Die Interimsliebenden (Lovers in the Interim) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 27 05:42:27 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:42:27 GMT Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:41:44 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > At 18:04 26/11/97 -0000, you wrote: > >On 25-Nov-97, Chris Warburton wrote: > >>> > >>>Does anyone want a couple of pieces of Enid vinyl? I've been trying > >>>to appreciate them for ages now and I think it's about time to give up. > >>>I really can't cope with these guys so if anyone is keen to relieve me > >>>of my albums (I think I've got two somewhere) let me know! > > > >Which albums have you got? I have most albums and some are better than others > >and certainly easier to get 'in to'. 'Something Wicked this Way Comes' is > >probably the most rock like. 'In The Region Of The Summer Stars' is also good > >IMO. I think they are a band you really have to be in the mood for. > > > >Si > > > Actually, it was jill who admitted owning albums - I just saw them live... > Yes - they were my Enid albums - I think I have both the above titles and tho' I've played them a few times I agree you need to be in the right frame of mind to appreciate them and they are on the whole a bit too minimalist for my taste. jill obTV> Discovering which film "It's a Perfect Day" is taken from! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Nov 27 07:46:55 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:46:55 +1000 Subject: HW: covers???? Message-ID: On 26 Nov 97 at about 14:06, M digitally scribed: > On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Sonique wrote: > > (Yes all those days ago) I'd forgotten about this post! > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know if these tracks have anything at all to do with HW, or is it > > just co-incidence?? > > > > http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/205917 > > > > http://musiccentral.msn.com/Album/Display/118360 > > > one of these is the Daniel Lanios track entitled something along the lines > of 'Where the Hawkwind kills' and having got this album and listened to it > twice I can say there is no HW link, either stylistically or thematically. > If people are desperate I could decipher the lyrics, but it really is not > worth the candle. The DL album is not his winona one, but the older one with > lots of U2 and eno people doing boring american folk stuff, a bit like the > cowboy junkies (but not very like the cowboy junkies). Thanks Mike. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 27 07:14:21 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:14:21 GMT Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:07:46 +0000 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <199711251046.KAA27952 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes > >Yup, I reckon that's him on Welcome to the Future. > > > >So was he at this gig or was that track taken from some other gig? > > > >FoFP > > Phew, for a moment there I thought no one would agree with me. Howabout > he appeared for this number and then guested for the encores? The thing is it was 1974. Moorcock would surely have had to have gone along on tour with the band in order to appear. Did Calvert appear at any of the US gigs that year? If not, Moorcock usually depped for Calvert. But then it'd be weid that Moorcock didn't do the vocals on Warrior at the End of Time. > Mark FoFP From micci at SCI.FI Thu Nov 27 10:25:08 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:25:08 +0200 Subject: BOC:some enchanted evening Message-ID: Hi! I have this BOC- Some Enchanted Evening cd (cdcbs 32749) and I like trade it to HW items. Miikka Wagner email: hawk at micci.pp.sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MAY THE SUN ALWAYS RISE UPON US ALL. (WHICHEVER SUN YOURS IS!) -SPACEHEAD- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /\|/\ //\|/\\ ______//__|__\\_____ \\ | // \\/|\// \/|\/ From clemens at TRAIL.COM Thu Nov 27 10:45:24 1997 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:45:24 -0700 Subject: Griffin - confirm Box No please! Message-ID: well i hope i didn't turn dyslexic in my excitement and transpose the digits in the box number, but that's probably what i did. no reason not to take jerry's word. my apologies to everyone, but that's the address i wrote down and mailed to. mark From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 27 10:49:03 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:49:03 -0500 Subject: tBS in Elmira--a "penultimate" review...:-) In-Reply-To: <971126231911_1504034864@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Steven Tice wrote: > In a message dated 97-11-26 17:49:58 EST, you write: > > << An excellent review, but one sentence caught my eye: > > > The first set included many songs Al had written for his previous > > group, and it delighted this reviewer to hear them sung by their > > original, and penultimate performer. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I don't think this word means what you think it means. > >> > > Y'know, I've seen no less a personage than Marillion's Fish misuse that > term... It sounds like an intensifier, but it's not. It really means "next > to the last." So, hmmm, Albert was the next to the last performer that > day...:-) I'm not sure where the confusion lies. As I understand it, Albert originally sang this song, with Eric later taking over the vocal duties (in concerts, or maybe after Albert left the band). So, technically, Albert was both the original *and* penultimate performer of this song. Am I missing something? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Thick as a Brick (25th Anniversary Edition)_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 27 10:54:37 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:54:37 +0800 Subject: Listening to 1999 Party... Message-ID: >I got The 1999 Party just the other day and I've listened to it a couple of >times, and it's pretty cool and everything, but it actually sort of >irritates me because I think it could have been a much better release than >it is. The problem of which I speak is the mix job! Yes, even though Dave >Brock did it, I just have to wonder what he was thinking. Certainly it has >been the trend on Hawkwind's more recent stuff to mix the guitars lower and >the vocals and bass higher, and I think he definitely carried this idea too >far on the live album. The guitar is mixed rather low, virtually inaudible >a lot of the time. The vocals are way out front, as is the bass. If the >guitars and synths could be brought up, and the vocals and bass brought down >a bit, I think we would really have a masterpiece, but as it is I find >myself straining to imagine it with a different sound! Let's hear your >guitar Dave! I thought it was the other way around with Distant Horizons (which I'm still not sure if I like?). I found that the vocals and bass were mixed down too low. Most of the time I couldn't make out the lyrics. On the subject of the new album, I also feel it seems unfinished, and there also seems to be a shift in the direction of the music towards a Space-Techno-Reggae feel. I don't think it rocks as much as some have said, and there is about the same amount of vocals as IITBOTFTBD, which I think may even be better! Maybe it'll grow on me. William From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 27 11:57:41 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:57:41 +0100 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations Message-ID: I'm not sure that all the albums *really* are psych, but anyway, here we go: High Tide - Sea Shanties Cosmic Overdose - 4668 (not sure on the title, have it on tape) Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live Gong - Pothead trilogy (Flying Teapot/Angel's Egg/You) Paragong - Live '73 Inner City Unit - The Maximum Effect/Blood and Bone Kenneth ObC: Rush - Gothenburg May '79 Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 27 13:05:10 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:05:10 PST Subject: Hawkwind - The Influences of Space Message-ID: I did not wonder where the creative impetus for Space Rock came from, I kinda discovered everything in one sitting. Robert Calvert's Test-tube Conceived, Arthur Brown's Journey, Hawkwind's Space Ritual and a Hawkwind bootleg called Utopia 1984. BTW, does anyone have Utopia 1984 on CD or Vinyl?? I'll pay money for it. Anyway, these four albums, a Walkman, some smokes and a beautiful early evening under some trees on the side of a hill overlooking a lake. The sun slowly sank and the stars came out one by one two by two four by four seven by seven. Ah the joys of reliving your lost youth. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 07:48:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:48:25 +0000 Subject: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth In-Reply-To: <19971127103832.5426.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19971127103832.5426.qmail at hotmail.com>, Hoarse Whisperer writes >Cheers man! Any comments, constructive criticism, or funky ideas? Yeah, get into Hawkwind. > >Anyway, this list has far too much Hawkwind on it, so let's talk more >BOC. > >Chris. -- Jon Browne From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 27 13:45:08 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:45:08 PST Subject: OFF - BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth Message-ID: >From: Jon Browne >Subject: Re: BOC - Extending the Random Access Myth > >Yeah, get into Hawkwind. > Hmmm. I think I've got more HW records then BOC. But that's not what I meant - I see 8% of postings are HW on list called BOC-L. Have I arrived in a BOC lull? >>Anyway, this list has far too much Hawkwind on it, so let's talk more BOC. >> >>Chris. > >-- >Jon Browne > The Masters of Reality did a song called John Brown (sic) in their debut album. Kicking track, kicking album too. Yours, in search of space through a foreign mirror, Imaginos Arcana -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Nov 27 15:04:26 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:04:26 -0600 Subject: HW: Covers ??????? Message-ID: > one of these is the Daniel Lanios track entitled something along the lines > of 'Where the Hawkwind kills' and having got this album and listened to it > twice I can say there is no HW link, either stylistically or thematically. This is interesting. This is the second time of heard the word Hawkwind used as a word to describe something besides the band. About 10 years ago a college friend of mine had the Apple computer game 'Ultima IV'. It may heve been V or VI, but somthing around there. Anyway it was similar to a middle ages role-playing game, but it was a computer game. I was reading the manual for it one day(out of boredom probably) and it mentioned the following: " When your character becomes seriously wounded and requires healing you will need venture into town and visit the local HAWKWIND to be healed". This quote isn't exact but very close and the word used was definitely hawkwind, and in the same context. So from what I gathered the game was using Hawkwind as a word synomonous with shaman. This could possibly be the meaning of the word in the lanois song. Anybody else ever heard the word Hawkwind used to describe a healer? -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 15:11:11 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:11:11 +0000 Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock Message-ID: >In article <199711251046.KAA27952 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes > writes >>Yup, I reckon that's him on Welcome to the Future. >> >>So was he at this gig or was that track taken from some other gig? >> >>FoFP > >Phew, for a moment there I thought no one would agree with me. Howabout >he appeared for this number and then guested for the encores? > >Mark Nah, it's Lemmy! A *younger* Lemmy (ie. less gravel eaten at this point) but definitely Lemmy. I think! Dave From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 27 09:13:59 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:13:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: Poetry With Music - Enid In-Reply-To: <199711271042.KAA22330@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 27-Nov-97, J Strobridge wrote: >Yes - they were my Enid albums - I think I have both the above titles >and tho' I've played them a few times I agree you need to be in the >right frame of mind to appreciate them and they are on the whole a bit >too minimalist for my taste. Fair enough! Si -- "Me and GB we ain't never gonna confess...' Glen Buxton 1947 - 1997 R.I.P. http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 27 16:36:20 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:36:20 +0100 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kenneth Magm??sen wrote: >I'm not sure that all the albums *really* are psych, but anyway, here we go: Not knowing about Grobschnitt or Cosmic Overdose, the rest most *definetly* are psych - but the Paragong you list is nonexistent? Sure it's not the Gong Live (Bataclan, Paris) 1973? I think Paragong was an Allen-less brief incarnation of Gong who appeared with one track on Virgin's mid-70's "V" compilation? Good to see High Tide there! Great stuff. Oh, and the ICU ones you list are especially psychedelic if mastered from mr. Pond's vinyl! :) Christian >High Tide - Sea Shanties >Cosmic Overdose - 4668 (not sure on the title, have it on tape) >Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live >Gong - Pothead trilogy (Flying Teapot/Angel's Egg/You) >Paragong - Live '73 >Inner City Unit - The Maximum Effect/Blood and Bone > >Kenneth > >ObC: Rush - Gothenburg May '79 > From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 27 17:49:38 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:49:38 +0100 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some! In-Reply-To: <347D4490.3F829897@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: At 02:59 27.11.97 -0700, the Rockin' Cabbie wrote: >Hey dude-I had to make do here-my psych collection at this point is >miniscule-It mainly consists of Hawkwind, Orb, Gong, Pink Floyd and >maybe a couple of other weird ones I've got buried in the tape pile:) :) ><<>>I'm NOT taking this a a flame-btw:) Thank God, my post came off a little sharp sorta didn't it? >I am working on this collection, btw-any recommendations? Hell yeah! Here's ALL my favorite psych - excluding all the Hawkstuff :) - snipped crazily out of my muzak list........ Amon Duul II - Carnival In Babylon Amon Duul II - Yeti Amon Duul II - Wolf City Gong - Angel's Egg Gong - You Gong - Planet Gong: Live Floating Anarchy 1977 Jimi Hendrix Experience - Jimi Hendrix Experience Jimi Hendrix Experience - Bold As Love Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn Can - Tago Mago Spacemen 3 - Singles (EP comp) Neu! - Neu! Monster Magnet - Dopes To Infinity Monster Magnet - Spine Of God Monster Magnet - 25 tab Ozric Tentacles - Live Underslunky Ship Of Fools - Close Your Eyes (Forget The World) Ship Of Fools - Out There Somewhere Brainticket/Celestial Ocean High Tide/Sea Shanties Soft Machine/Volumes One and Two Imperial Pompadours (ICU) - Ersatz Screaming Trees/Anthology - SST Years 1985-90 SunDial - Other Way Out Chameleons - Strange Times Kaleidoscope (US)/Blues From Baghdad (comp) Third Ear Band - Alchemy Third Ear Band - Elements My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground & Nico Cosmic Jokers - Planet Sit-In Love - Forever Changes Beatles - Revolver Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour Guru Guru - Hinten Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff The Damned - The Black Album Beck - Mellow Gold Husker Du - Zen Arcade 13th Floor Elevators - The Psycchedelic Sounds Of... 13th Floor Elevators - Easter Everywhere 13th Floor Elevators - Bull Of The Woods Pressurehed - Infadrone Negativland - Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band - Global Brain Faith No More - Angel Dust Syd Barrett - Opel Flaming Lips - Oh My Gawd... It's the Flaming Lips!!! Mercury Rev - Yerself Is Steam Some of these artists are not generally psych but produced a freak psych album of IMHO staggering proportieons (Faith No More, Damned, Husker Du, My Bloody Valentine). Other stuff like Beck, Flaming Lips or Mercury Rev are things I certainly consider psych but get the idea others don't (tho they ARE IMO!!!). Mercury Rev are/were (are they still around?) an IMO utterly fantastic band, and my favorite band of the 90's - so far - maybe Mooseheart Faith have edged them out now actually. Of course there's tons of brilliant 60's comps out there with a wealth of great 60's psych like the Nuggets and Rubble comps (and tons more) which I didn't include. I think Jon Browne is the the resident comp-psych head here :-). Other stuff like the early Screaming Trees comp showcase alot of brilliant psych stuff they did, that remains sort of unknown today. Then there's all this borderline psych-prog like High Tide, Van Der Graaf and such that IMO have an added headyness that's in a whole other strata of prog than say Yes or Genesis... :-) Oh, and not to mention psychey jazz from Miles Davis or Sun Ra..... I know that list is seriously dementedly long, but once you get hooked there is no way to stop..... Oh, and Spiral Realms are definetly very psych, Pam, I think you have more psych in your tape pile than what you listed! psych on! Christian ObHW: 1999 Party finally in my hands! Yeah, too bad about the yucky mix :( Still great! :) From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 27 18:04:35 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:04:35 +0100 Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock In-Reply-To: <199711272016.PAA28854@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 20:11 27.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > >Nah, it's Lemmy! A *younger* Lemmy (ie. less gravel eaten at this point) but >definitely Lemmy. I think! > >Dave Without a shadow of a doubt, that is DEFINETLY Lemmy - heard it right away :-) Christian From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 26 18:11:21 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:11:21 +0000 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971127223620.0078393c@online.no> Message-ID: At 22:36 27/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > I think Paragong was an Allen-less brief >incarnation of Gong who appeared with one track on Virgin's mid-70's "V" >compilation? Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember this...Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or even as a response to those.... # ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Nov 27 18:31:56 1997 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:31:56 +0100 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations Message-ID: >Kenneth Magm??sen wrote: eherm... > but the Paragong you list is nonexistent? Sure it's not the Gong >Live (Bataclan, Paris) 1973? I think Paragong was an Allen-less brief >incarnation of Gong who appeared with one track on Virgin's mid-70's "V" >compilation? You're absoloutely right except...the record really *exists*. It's Paragong - Live '73 - A Gas CD 002 (It's a mini-cd, little more than 20 minutes, I think) Tracks: 1. Camembert Psilocybin Flashback 2. Porquoi dormons nous? (subtitled: The Gnome Rock Dispensation) Oh, my God, I think I'll faint...and that's just the tracks, look here comes the line-up +^) Tim Blake Steve Hillage Mike Howlett Didier Malherbe Pierre Moerlin (shouldn't that be Moerlen ?) Yepp, You guessed it, it's really good. >Good to see High Tide there! Great stuff. Oh, and the ICU ones you list >are especially psychedelic if mastered from mr. Pond's vinyl! :) I really have to get that ICU cdrom soon. Kenneth ObC nr2: Hawkwind London March 13 1984 Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Nov 27 19:05:42 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:05:42 +0100 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971126231121.006adfc0@mcmail.com> Message-ID: At 23:11 26.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but >definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" >trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. > >I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after >school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin >stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember >this...Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or >even as a response to those.... ># >ChrisW Now, you sure your memory isn't SLIGHTLY rusty even? ;^)~ Let me just check here... ah yes, the Tapestry Of Delights book... hmm, ah, yes!! Kenneth is right! And I am right! You were there then, you prove it by not remembering this :) I will quote from the historical tome: "The dominant forces of what remained of Gongwere Hillage and Moerlen, but the only vinyl output of this era <1975> seems to have been Hillage's solo album Fish Rising, which included alot of band material, and an outtake, "Pentagramaspin", which got an airing on Virgin's 1975 double album sampler, "V", credited to Paragong." And Bob's yer uncle! Christian ObNeedNow!!!!: Paragong - Live 1973 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Nov 27 22:44:30 1997 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:44:30 -0700 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Thank God, my post came off a little sharp sorta didn't it? Just a touch:) I didn't take it that way, tho!! > > > >I am working on this collection, btw-any recommendations? > > ...... > <> > > .. I know that list > is seriously dementedly long, but once you get hooked there is no > way to stop..... Oh, and Spiral Realms are definetly very psych, Pam, > I think you have more psych in your tape pile than what you listed! Kewl list!! Yes- I do have more than I thought-Spiral Realms, Porqupine Tree :) all the Ozrics since Afterswish-without the new one that I cannot get here(yet),:( I guess I'll hafta look at (and update) my list again:)Rock on! Pam OBTurkeyday: <> "hey is there more of that pie??? > > > psych on! > Christian > > ObHW: 1999 Party finally in my hands! Yeah, too bad about the > yucky mix :( Still great! :) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hi, I have some tapes with just the year listed can any one help me with what the dates are.... 1986 ICU. DINGWALLS UK W/CALVERT 1995 NIKWIND AUSTIN TX 1995 NIKWIND DALLAS Thanks... -- Randy From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Nov 28 05:53:43 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:53:43 +0200 Subject: NIK: Help with dates In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971127235423.007da8a0@pop.interaccess.com> Message-ID: Hej, >I have some tapes with just the year listed can any one help me with what >the dates are.... > >1986 ICU. DINGWALLS UK W/CALVERT (3/21/85 180M) >1995 NIKWIND AUSTIN TX (1-14-95) >1995 NIKWIND DALLAS ? > I hope that this helps! scott ObCs- Dean Carter- Gelsenkirchen 94' R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 28 06:53:00 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:53:00 PST Subject: OFF: Psych LP's agogo Message-ID: Alrighty then, check these head-shrinking Vinyl Slabs. Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come - Journey Pink Floyd - Saucerful of Secrets Robert Calvert - Test Tube Conceived Hawkwind - Space Ritual Einsturzende Neubauten - Tabula Rasa Faith No More - Angel Dust The Crazy World of Arthur Brown The Beatles - White Album Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come - Galactic Zoo Dossier David Bedford - Nurses Song with Elephants Terry Oldfield - Spiral Inspiration Gong - Radio Gnome Trilogy Hawkwind - Utopia 1984 Some of these may not make sense, but they do to me. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Nov 28 07:24:54 1997 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:24:54 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin CD Message-ID: Hej, I just got the latest little Ozric Tentacles newsletter from Jim Collins and he also does mail order and he has the new Alan Davey's Bedouin CD listed in his list? Is this really out? Does anyone have it? How is it? He also has some what he calls Logbooks; American Hawktales I first part of US tour 95' 41 pages $5 II second part of the tour 40 pages or so $5 Nik Turner Space Ritual 95' logbook $5 Nik Turner Space Ritual 94' Log book due out soon Jim Collins P.O. Box 307 Crete, ILL 60417 SCott ObCs- Frank Marino- Washington DC 12/82 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 09:51:00 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:51:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind - The Influences of Space In-Reply-To: Hoarse Whisperer's message of Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:05:10 PST Message-ID: Hoarse Whisperer writes: > I did not wonder where the creative impetus for Space Rock came from, > I kinda discovered everything in one sitting. > Robert Calvert's Test-tube Conceived, Arthur Brown's Journey, > Hawkwind's Space Ritual and a Hawkwind bootleg called Utopia 1984. BTW, > does anyone have Utopia 1984 on CD or Vinyl?? I think I saw a vinyl copy in a secondhand shop near here. Want me to look? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 28 09:52:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:52:23 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) tBS in Elmira Message-ID: >As it happens, BOCs original lineup were collectively fairly short, particularly Buck Particularly Al as well. In an interview, Albert mentioned that the first thing he ever said to Buck was something like, "Hey, you're the first person I've seen here who is as short as I am" - not an exact quote, but you get the idea. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 09:57:18 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:57:18 GMT Subject: Space punks Message-ID: One of my pals wanted a tape of the most punk influenced of Hawk songs. I had some fun making up the tape:. I named the compilation "Touchdown on Planet Punk" The Awakening (From SR - something to start the tape) Orgone Accumulator (from Undisclosed Files) Deathtrap (PXR5) Watching the Grass Grow (Undisclosed Files) Uncle Sam's On Mars (Hawklords Live Weird tape) Reptoid Vision (Distant Horizons) Urban Guerilla (Hawklords Live Weird tape) Social Alliance (Zones/Stonehenge CD) Out Of The Shadows (exerpt from California Brainstorm) Spirit of the Age (Hawklords Live Weird tape) Coded Languages (Choose Your Masques) Fahrenheit 451 (Sonic Attack) Assassins (exerpt frpm Love in Space) First Landing On Medusa (from Weird tape - to match the start track) It makes a really high speed Hawk tape. I'll probably have to do a copy for myself now. The question is, was there anything I missed? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:03:23 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:03:23 +0000 Subject: Space punks Message-ID: No "Back on the Streets"? That always sounded punky to me. No Brock-vocal version of Motorhead? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 28 10:05:12 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:05:12 PST Subject: Hawkwind - The Influences of Space Message-ID: >Hoarse Whisperer writes: > >> I did not wonder where the creative impetus for Space Rock came from, >> I kinda discovered everything in one sitting. >> Robert Calvert's Test-tube Conceived, Arthur Brown's Journey, >> Hawkwind's Space Ritual and a Hawkwind bootleg called Utopia 1984. BTW, >> does anyone have Utopia 1984 on CD or Vinyl?? > >I think I saw a vinyl copy in a secondhand shop near here. Want me to >look? > >FoFP > Yes please, if you can find it, I'll buy it! -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 10:08:27 1997 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:08:27 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Brazilian tour cancelled? Message-ID: Just caught this off libernet. I find it hilarious to think of state bureaucrats sitting trying to decipher song lyrics. Good job they're immune from the "drug messages" that the poor fans will be affected by. Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:46:49 -0500 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Subject: Libernet: BRAZILIAN ROCK BAND ARRESTED FOR IMPROPER LYRICS http://www.drcnet.org/rapid/1997/11-23-1.html#brazil A Brazilian rock & roll band called "Planet Hemp" was arrested in Sao Paulo this week on charges that their lyrics were supportive of the use of maconha (marijuana). According to Folha de Sao Paulo, a Brazilian newspaper, civil authorities had been studying the group's lyrics for the past year, and came to the conclusion that their content was in violation of Narcotics law (6.368) for "supporting and associating with the use of drugs." Band members were taken into custody following a show before 7,000 fans in Brasilia, which was recorded by authorities as evidence. The law under which band members have been charged does not allow for bail, and carries a penalty of between three and fifteen years imprisonment. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 28 10:20:15 1997 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Hoarse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:20:15 PST Subject: Hawkwind Brazilian tour cancelled? Message-ID: > >Just caught this off libernet. I find it hilarious to think of state >bureaucrats sitting trying to decipher song lyrics. Good job they're >immune from the "drug messages" that the poor fans will be affected by. > This is amazing. I've got a good one though...does anyone remember the Electric Light Orchestra?? Well, ELO were booked to play in a town in Northern Ireland called Ballymena, their only gig in this country. Not a big town by any means, but it would have been a sell-out gig. Ballymena Town Council banned ELO from playing in the town because they were "the Devil's music". That is a direct quote. I laughed my leg off. Chris. -- The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society - http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 28 10:51:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:51:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: ELO In-Reply-To: Hoarse Whisperer's mail of Fri, 28 Nov 97 07:20 -0800 Message-ID: On 28 Nov 15:20, Hoarse Whisperer wrote: > This is amazing. I've got a good one though...does anyone remember the > Electric Light Orchestra?? I believe they're still going, with a different singer. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 28 11:16:45 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:16:45 +0100 Subject: Space punks In-Reply-To: <199711281457.OAA02398@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:57 28.11.97 GMT, you wrote: >One of my pals wanted a tape of the most punk influenced of Hawk songs. >I had some fun making up the tape:. > >It makes a really high speed Hawk tape. I'll probably have to do a copy >for myself now. The question is, was there anything I missed? >From one Hawkwind fan to 'anudder: PLENTY!! :-) ah, such a wealth of material... I don't have time to put in my $ 0.02 right now (off to the Julebord in my monkey suit), but I'm sorta puzzled by some selections/sources and some of your omissions..... repeating over, in the voice of Jello Biafra, as a mantra: "I Like Short Songs!!" x 13 times might help... Distant Horizons rules... 1999 Party bugged out my co workers... strange looks on the street... Hawkwind... click your moon boots twice and say "there's no place like space"... yeah.... Merry Xmas everybody? Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 28 11:28:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 16:28:05 +0000 Subject: HW: DH reappraisals Message-ID: On tor 27 nov 1997 23.54 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > On the subject of the new album, I also feel it seems unfinished, and there > also seems to be a shift in the direction of the music towards a > Space-Techno-Reggae feel. > I don't think it rocks as much as some have said, and there is about the > same amount of vocals as IITBOTFTBD, which I think may even be better! I find my response to DH mixed. Some of the tracks I think are pretty damn good, and others seem like mere cheezy filling. Mind you, I thought the same of ET and A4 ... Cheers, Carl ObCD - Roky Erickson and the Explosives, _Casting the Runes_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 28 11:25:07 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:25:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: ELO In-Reply-To: <199711281551.PAA00475@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: At 15:51 28.11.97 +0000, Dave Berry wrote: > >I believe they're still going, with a different singer. > >Dave. >-- With only one original member left, they are now ELO II. Nik should call his band Hawkwind II. Hysterically shouting and even laughing, Christian (only of myself) >Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, >Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. >Tel: +44 131 472 4782 > > From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Nov 28 12:10:31 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:10:31 +0100 Subject: HW: An open letter to EMI and HW Message-ID: Dear people at EMI I'd like to say THANK YOU for this wonderful X-Mas gift called HAWKWIND, The 1999 Party in Chicago 1974. What a phantastic piece of music!!!! What a great sleeve! I love every song, every second of this CD There is a good chance for you to please all the HAWK-FANS all around the world again: Release another LIVE CD, if possible from the ASTOUNDING tour in Autumn 1976!! Thanks again from a very lucky HAWKWIND fan Bernhard From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 28 13:20:50 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:20:50 -0600 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: > Regardless of how it was made members of Blue Oyster Cult did >perform on this so bottom line it was a BOC project. Chris>Hmmm again. I can't follow your logic. They just recorded over a >previously completed work. Ok for example Al writes every song on say Secret Treaties. The original lineup records the songs. Does that make ST and Al album or a BOC album. Maybe the other memebers had little to do with the with the arrangements etc, but play they did. And by playing they each added their own little musical signature. Had Buck thrown in some chords on a single song and walked then no, its not a BOC album. The other guys even if they followed sheet music did play a lot on Imaginos so to me it is a BOC album. Just picture Al standing at the Conductors platform and the guys following the little stick. >I for one would like to hear Buck's guitar on a re-make. Chris>That would be nice, but (someone somewhere will crucify me for this) IMHO Buck's playing doesn't have the instantly-identifiable quality it used to. Theo>I take it you haven't heard Buck live lately? I've seen BOC live regularly since Secret Treaties, and, he is playing, far and away, the best guitar of his career right now. And I think most on BOC-L would concur on this... I won't speak for all of BOC but I agree with Theo 1000%; Buck is better than he used to be which boggles as he (to me) was the best even back then. Buck certainly would make huge contributions to Imaginos re-done. >Certainly one would hope that Sandy would be willing to sit down with >Al and finish the Imaginos saga. But is he really necessary? Al has >the juice to go it alone, perhaps re-do the whole thing and put his >stamp on it. Chris>Albert has, I'm sure, but... ...Does the Imaginos LP need re-done. I think not. I think Imaginos needs to be re-done for the following reasons - 1. Assuming Al does it his way (no need for Columbia now) we will get IMAGINOS HIS WAY. We know there were other songs that were intended for Imaginos that didn't make it. Blame that on Columbia for business reasons. Beyond those songs I bet there were other artistic concessions that had to be made. If Al's the man then forget the concessions we are gonna get Imaginos the way he and Sandy intended. 2. While I love this album, IMHO (of course) it is not as good as some other concept albums I have heard. King's X Grethchen Goes to Nebraska, Savatage's Dead Winter Dead, Thresholds Wounded Land (maybe not a concept album but it has a central theme) and my all time fave of this genere Queensryche's Operation:Mindcrime. The difference as I see it is the lack of emotional attachement to the album. BOC was not inspired to do this. I'm not saying Buck and the boys didn't do a professional job but I doubt thier hearts and heads were into making this a quality signature performance. Get people committed to this project for the sake of the project and it sounds better. 3. Give it that modern progreesive metal sound and even the alterna-kids club may fall in love with this. I'd love to hear Jon Oliva and Paul O'Neil bring their signature grandiose style to Imaginos. 4. Is what you point out below, some of todays popular talent gives it a fresh feel. Go beyond a Ty Tabors involvement and bring in pepole live Oliva, Zak, John Myung and of course todays version of Buck with a commitment to the project and it blows the doors off the original. >Musically, finishing Imaginos is a piece of cake. >Good idea, perhaps another version of the Guitar Orchestra of Imaginos. I can just see Ty Tabor play cathedral-guitar-shapes to tales of secret alien powers. This is just my take on the whole matter and I wish Al could find the time, means and support to do this. L8er lil ab "I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." - Chance, Savatage OB Amazement - Bootleg Marino? Oh its to die for! >ObCs- Frank Marino- Washington DC 12-82 >Scott From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 28 13:25:29 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:25:29 -0600 Subject: tBS in Elmira Message-ID: John S.>Geez, I'm gonna have to give up trying to write reviews of tBS shows myself, what with all the talented writers here and all. Agree. Great review Theo. Keep this up and we may elevate you to Torgo status. A lofty acheivement when you consider Torgo's great album reviews. John S.>The only flaw in Theo's most excellent review of the Elmira show was no mention of the bottom end being held down by bassist David Hirschberg -- sorry Theo, but NOBODY ignores the bassplayer on MY watch! ;-) Ah yes there is this little matter. Never forget the bass player Theo, we may have to report you to your own band member who plays this esential instrument. 8>) L8er lil ab "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey pay attention." EMB From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 28 13:46:07 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:46:07 +0000 Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971128000435.02f533dc@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971128000435.02f533dc at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >At 20:11 27.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > >> >>Nah, it's Lemmy! A *younger* Lemmy (ie. less gravel eaten at this point) but >>definitely Lemmy. I think! >> >>Dave > >Without a shadow of a doubt, that is DEFINETLY Lemmy - heard it right away :-) > >Christian Well, OK, I agree that suggesting its Moorcock is slightly illogical given his absence during the rest of the gig but having listened to it so many times now, I cannot hear anything other than Moorcock. What does the gig list say for personnel at this gig or the tour? (I can't locate this file at present). Is there anyone involved with this CD who can settle the issue? Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 28 17:33:23 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:33:23 -0000 Subject: OFF: All rise for Lemmy Message-ID: I see that special guest in tomorrow's "All rise for Julian Clary" is none other than Mr Kilmister...! True! -Andy ObCD: Tomb Raider II -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Nov 28 20:42:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:42:53 +0100 Subject: 1999 Party - Moorcock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:46 28.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > >Well, OK, I agree that suggesting its Moorcock is slightly illogical >given his absence during the rest of the gig but having listened to it >so many times now, I cannot hear anything other than Moorcock. > It's Lemmy. >What does the gig list say for personnel at this gig or the tour? (I >can't locate this file at present). > >Is there anyone involved with this CD who can settle the issue? > >Mark > It's Lemmy. It's Lemmy. It's Lemmy. It's Lemmy. It's Lemmy. > It's Lemmy. uh it is........ seriously It's Lemmy. settled. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Nov 28 21:35:14 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:35:14 +1100 Subject: More Imaginos Message-ID: At 12:20 PM 28/11/97 -0600, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >3. Give it that modern progreesive metal sound and even the alterna-kids >club may fall in love with this. I'd love to hear Jon Oliva and Paul >O'Neil bring their signature grandiose style to Imaginos. The alterna-kids don't buy Savatage either. They will probably never get into BOC. Have you ever been to a hardcore gig? The kids want excitement, not talent. > >4. Is what you point out below, some of todays popular talent gives it a >fresh feel. Go beyond a Ty Tabors involvement and bring in pepole live >Oliva, Zak, John Myung and of course todays version of Buck with a >commitment to the project and it blows the doors off the original. A real wheeze fest. : ) How old is Ty Tabor? About 45, I think. Great player, to be sure. The only way to get such a project to sound modern is to re-write the whole thing. Imaginos sounds 80's, and when it was released originally, it was already seen as old style metal. A modern producer would be essential, too, so that puts a real spin on the whole idea. A Pearlman album produced by someone else. >This is just my take on the whole matter and I wish Al could find the >time, means and support to do this. It never sold the first time, I don't think it would sell this time around. Leave Imaginos as the pure, awesome album it is. If a project were to happen, let's hope it would totally different. Troy Obthings: broke for Xmas- two HW cds, BDB vid, new Judas Preist, Scorpions, MSG, Mogg/Way, Nik, HawXstar, and all the rest makes me wanna take a part-time job at 7-11 just to pay for it all. LONG LIVE FRANK MARINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >L8er >lil ab > >"I believe that situations all depend on circumstance." - Chance, >Savatage > >OB Amazement - Bootleg Marino? Oh its to die for! > >>ObCs- Frank Marino- Washington DC 12-82 >>Scott > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5985 85 86 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sat Nov 29 00:31:35 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:31:35 -0800 Subject: HW: Rarest Message-ID: sadly there's no indication of what the VDGG tracks are but I asked > Kenneth (The Moor) of Bishop Garden Records in Sweden if he had heard > of it and wonderfully, (thank you, sir) he had seen it but it was a > very long time ago! Apparently it has an unbelievably ugly cover and > the only good thing about it are the stickers that come with it! > I'll be happy just to have a sight of the album 8-) >Wasnt there a picture of this album in one of the hawkfans?(hw14) >or maybe it was the collectors guide book from the griffin warrior >pack. >regards >Marty Well, I looking at mine, the cover has an old HW picture, not really a picture but an inking. with the band leaning/sitting on a wall, Calvert is holding a pair of sunglasses. I wouldn't classify it as ugly, unlike Metallica's latest releases. The VDG tracks are: Still Life A Place To Survive Lizard Play My copy had the biography, but sadly, no stickers. John From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 29 01:35:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:35:44 +1000 Subject: HW: The OzWind Blows in Message-ID: Gidday all, I never got to post this yesterday ... so some of you probably allready know. Dave emailed me yesterday to confirm that (now that they have the tour offer with full costings, etc.), they definitely DO want to do the Australian Tour next February!!!!!!!! We will have final confirmation early next week (after they do their UK Tour books to make sure that they can buy the air tickets), at which point I'll post the tour scedule. In the meantime, there's some of the details on the OzHawks "Latest News" page from a week back: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/latest.html Sonique (the stocked) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! ____________________________________________________________________ The Distorted Barbie questions the effect of a girl doll on society http://ezone.org/ez/e7/articles/napier/barbie.html - but Mattel told Enterzone to remove the page - http://pobox.com/~xian/barbie/ - Want to help? Copy me into your .sig --the Barbie meme .sig virus From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Sat Nov 29 09:39:51 1997 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:39:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: ELO In-Reply-To: <199711281551.PAA00475@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > On 28 Nov 15:20, Hoarse Whisperer wrote: > > This is amazing. I've got a good one though...does anyone remember the > > Electric Light Orchestra?? > > I believe they're still going, with a different singer. Original singer Jeff Lynne did some production work on the Beatles Anthology series - interesting, given that ELO were widely seen as being heavily Beatles influenced. Jeff Lynne also was involved with the last Paul McCartney album. Any UK-ers who have been following the unsurpassably funny "I'm Alan Partridge" on the telly, will have noticed that ELO are one of the regular seventies name-checked bands. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "When your back's against the HCI Design Centre wall, you've got to turn round School of Informatics and march forward!" City University Northampton Square John Major, ex-Prime Minister London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 09:23:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:23:10 +0000 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971127234938.00782310@online.no> Message-ID: In article <3.0.2.32.19971127234938.00782310 at online.no>, Christian Mumford writes >Of course there's tons of brilliant >60's comps out there with a wealth of great 60's psych like >the Nuggets and Rubble comps (and tons more) which I didn't include. >I think Jon Browne is the the resident comp-psych head here :-). I'll bet I'm not, I just tend to gush if I like something. I do buy as many 60's psyche comps as I can find, though, and I'm rarely disappointed. Thing is I'd rather buy something with 20 bands I've not heard of, than say a whole album of the best act on the last comp I bought, e.g. The Shadows Of Knight (who are good BTW) or Litter, The Standells, Erky Grant & The Earwigs etc. And there's *plenty* of bands like the excellant "Fe Fi Four Plus 2" who only ever did 2 singles one of which was the original I Wanna Come Back (From The World Of LSD) (available on Pebbles Vol. 5 - Various Morons) which was covered by ICU. And who would ever buy Leather Boy by The Leather Boy on it's own, but as part of a comp., essential! Steve, you must be well up on Pebbles/Nuggets, ICU did a few covers from them. Little Black Egg by The Nightcrawlers was another off the top of my head. I'm still looking for a few of the "Rubble" series BTW (UK stuff - not highly recommended) I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Ogden's Nut Gone Flake - Small Faces Screamadelica is also a Desert Island Disc, sho' nuff! One of England's Finest. Get anything by Lothar & The Hand People. "Hymn To Space" came out in what, '67? Big influence on Floyd, Hawkwind and these days The Orb and The Chemical Brothers have cited them in interviews. I could be wrong, but I believe they were the first band to use synths. -- Jon who's listening to The Replacements at the moment. Not Psyche! From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Nov 29 10:46:00 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:46:00 +0100 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some rediscovered Mercury Rev! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:23 29.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >I'll bet I'm not, I just tend to gush if I like something. >I do buy as many 60's psyche comps as I can find, though, and I'm rarely >disappointed. Thing is I'd rather buy something with 20 bands I've not >heard of, than say a whole album of the best act on the last comp I >bought, e.g. The Shadows Of Knight (who are good BTW) or Litter, The >Standells, Erky Grant & The Earwigs etc. And there's *plenty* of bands >like the excellant "Fe Fi Four Plus 2" who only ever did 2 singles one >of which was the original I Wanna Come Back (From The World Of LSD) >(available on Pebbles Vol. 5 - Various Morons) which was covered by ICU. >And who would ever buy Leather Boy by The Leather Boy on it's own, but >as part of a comp., essential! I agree 100% - so much of that stuff was just MADE to be on comps! Quirky little singles by bands who went nowhere at the time, some joyously derivative, simplistic and naive - others sheer brilliance and originality... funny how this unknown stuff at the time has been rewritten into music history. >Steve, you must be well up on Pebbles/Nuggets, ICU did a few covers from >them. Little Black Egg by The Nightcrawlers was another off the top of >my head. I'd say ICU outdo the original :) Also, I thought ICU covering THE LEGENDARY STARDUST COWBOY is totally friggin bizarre. So far, I have only met 1 person who has ever heard of Ledge and is a "fan", or at least he has an old broken 45 of "Paralyzed". Anyone on this list into Ledge at all?? ICU "covered" his "I Took A Trip In A Gemini Spacecraft". The man is like a mentally retarded Captain Beefheart/Garth Brooks on really bad drugs... seriously! > I'm still looking for a few of the "Rubble" series BTW (UK >stuff - not highly recommended) I thought the Rubble series was worth checking into...? I need to explore brit psych a little more... that liquid paisley lollipop toytown sound... >I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Ogden's Nut Gone Flake - Small Faces I thought of this, but since I only have the Castle comp (which IMO is wonderful but very sleazy), I didn't put it in. Great stuff. >Screamadelica is also a Desert Island Disc, sho' nuff! One of England's >Finest. I thought of this one too! I just never listen to it as much anymore... I had a sort of "revival" of Screamadelica some years ago when a girlfriend started playing "Don't Fight It, Feel It" which I sorta ignored way back when because I thought it was too dancey... but I actually now like... plus I had gotten the 13th Floor Elevators "Bull Of The Woods" and played the original "Slip Inside This House" up against the PS version. So... yeah it goes on the list too now! I just dug the CD out here.... hmm... yeah, a monster psych classic... I remember catching the video of "Loaded" when the song was just making inroads and thinking, "wow, I hate dance music but this fucking ROCKS!". Interesting how things have gone from there since in the 90s :-) >Get anything by Lothar & The Hand People. "Hymn To Space" came out in >what, '67? Big influence on Floyd, Hawkwind and these days The Orb and >The Chemical Brothers have cited them in interviews. I could be wrong, >but I believe they were the first band to use synths. I REALLY want to get something by this band, I guess "This Is It, Machines". Is there a L&tHP discography availible? I again strongly recommend Mercury Rev to all space-psych fans. They are like band from an alternate reality - imagine 1930's Art Deco space psychedelia!!! A really wonderful band, they use alot of flute and very weird instrumentation, a childlike brilliant melodic/lyrical aspect that reminds me of Syd Barrett... Fuzz-Gong-ish long spacey jams, chants, sax, "beatles trumpets". SO underrated! If the "Yerself Is Steam/Lego My Ego" 2fer double CD is still availible, or the hour long "Carwash Hair" CD single (!!), get them! Great bargains too. Hell, get everything - they are all beautiful! Christian NP: Mercury Rev "Boces" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 11:09:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:09:13 +0000 Subject: NIK: Help with dates In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971127235423.007da8a0@pop.interaccess.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.3.32.19971127235423.007da8a0 at pop.interaccess.com>, Randy writes > >1986 ICU. DINGWALLS UK W/CALVERT Top show! Bob was wearing deerstalker and smoking pipe, if I remember. Good version of Acid Rain or is my memory faulty again? Only time I saw Bob tho' :( -- Jon From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 29 12:29:55 1997 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:29:55 GMT Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some rediscovered Mercury Rev! In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971129164600.03059ff4@online.no> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:46:00 +0100, you sent through the ether: >>Steve, you must be well up on Pebbles/Nuggets, ICU did a few covers from >>them. Little Black Egg by The Nightcrawlers was another off the top of >>my head. You can thank Barney Bubbles for all the covers on "Ersatz" the whole concept of "The Imperial Pompadours" was his, he chose the songs, designed the sleeve (obviously) and released the record. He`d recorded the songs onto one of those cheap 15 quid cassette recorders that pre-dated walkmen, brought the tape to the studio and played it to the band once. ..yes once.. cue various people scribbling down lyrics, grabbing chords etc.. then the songs were pieced back together, then mutilated again during recording. I think that record is the best thing ICU did, I get email about it from the strangest places, one French DJ regularly plays it on the radio. -Steve From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 29 16:50:15 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:50:15 GMT Subject: HW: Rarest In-Reply-To: john.m.gray's message of Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:31:35 -0800 Message-ID: john.m.gray writes: > >Wasnt there a picture of this album in one of the hawkfans?(hw14) > >or maybe it was the collectors guide book from the griffin warrior > >pack. > Well, I looking at mine, the cover has an old HW picture, not really a > picture but an inking. with the band leaning/sitting on a wall, Calvert is > holding a pair of sunglasses. That's the one! I'm amazed... is there a Hawkwind album you haven't got? Ummmm - don't suppose you'd want to trade it for something...... I've got several Polish picture postcards (only the type with the pictures, sadly - tho' I know someone who once told me they had an original Polish postcard disc) and I've got an acetate of Assault and Battery off the Warrior album that never made it to a single. Well it was worth a try! cheers jill PS: thanks for the info about Polish postcards - most interesting! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 29 16:58:08 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:58:08 GMT Subject: HW: The OzWind Blows in In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:35:44 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > Gidday all, > > I never got to post this yesterday ... so some of you probably allready know. > Dave emailed me yesterday to confirm that (now that they have the tour offer > with full costings, etc.), they definitely DO want to do the Australian Tour > next February!!!!!!!! Congratulations Paul!! I'm delighted for you - well done. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Nov 29 17:18:55 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:18:55 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Hawkwind Brazilian tour cancelled? In-Reply-To: Hoarse Whisperer's message of Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:20:15 PST Message-ID: Hoarse Whisperer writes: > > > >Just caught this off libernet. I find it hilarious to think of state > >bureaucrats sitting trying to decipher song lyrics. Good job they're > >immune from the "drug messages" that the poor fans will be affected by. > > > > This is amazing. I've got a good one though...does anyone remember the > Electric Light Orchestra?? > > Well, ELO were booked to play in a town in Northern Ireland called > Ballymena, their only gig in this country. Not a big town by any means, > but it would have been a sell-out gig. > Ballymena Town Council banned ELO from playing in the town because they > were "the Devil's music". That is a direct quote. oops - I'm about to take this way off topic - but it's quiet just now (I hope) reminds me of when I was still at school and J'Taime came out - we all frantically wrote off to our French pen-friends to try and persuade them to do a translation and no-one would - much too shy - until eventually the House Mistress became so interested in why we were sitting around fascinated by a foreign language record of heavy breathing that she stole it and took it away to the French Mistress to find out what it said. Sadly the French Mistress was a little old lady who had been born (almost) in the Victorian era and she was so appalled at what she heard that the record was instantly thrown into a rubbish bin and never returned. Strangely tho' we never had any problems with records like "Hey Mr. Tangerine Man" or "My Friend Jack Eats Sugarlumps". jill obInevitable> it's winter, it rains, my roof leaks, I spend the day tripping over buckets. Sigh. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Nov 30 01:17:56 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:17:56 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Brazilian tour cancelled? Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:08:27 GMT M Holmes *QUOTED*: >A Brazilian rock & roll band called "Planet Hemp" was >arrested in Sao Paulo this week on charges that their lyrics >were supportive of the use of maconha (marijuana). >According to Folha de Sao Paulo, a Brazilian newspaper, >civil authorities had been studying the group's lyrics for >the past year, and came to the conclusion that their content >was in violation of Narcotics law (6.368) for "supporting >and associating with the use of drugs." It took them a whole *year*?!? Yeesh! You'd think the name would have meant something to them. Damon From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Nov 30 09:53:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:53:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snow In-Reply-To: <199711300617.AAA12997@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: Damn! Winter just mysteriously fell down from the clouds. Suddenly. Grrr, it may look nice right now, but in a few days it's gonna be brown slush. cheerfully grumpy today, Christian ObHappyHappyJoyJoy: 1999 Party, Distant Horizons and Love In Space EP all arriving at once, and all being excellent, and me feeling relieved since I have nothing to whine about except the weather. ObSuddenMemory: I dreamt about Battlestar Galactica this morning. The plot was slightly better than usual. From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sun Nov 30 15:36:16 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:36:16 -0000 Subject: tBS in Elmira, BOC in our hearts Message-ID: Not too shabby Elmira review! Did they do either of the Hawkwind tunes? On the topic of the BOC content in BOC-L, it's hard to drum up dialogue when the last release we've had from the boys is almost a decade old and the old timers on the list are laying in wait with fangs drawn and drooling for _EW_ when/if it's released. On _Imaginos_, it would be nice to see how it all plays out in the end. The packaging would have to be AMAZING, exceeding the coolness of "Thick as a Brick's" newspaper and all things of that nature. But then again, after all the hoopla and fuss over _Dark Side of the Moon_ and _Sgt. Pepper's_ and _Lamb Lies Down..._ I was rather disappointed upon hearing them. *slap* like that could happen with "BOC." Think about it--the idea of BOC as this mythic-in-stature rock group brewing mystical and heavy music is what Sandy P. envisaged to begin with to some extent. In a way then, BOC isnt the same as BOC(the band) which is why it works so well as a song and as part of the project performed by Albert and friends later on. Wasn't this Pearman-inspired image what caused the group to change direction anyway? Imaginos probably never could have been completed by the original BOC group... Where this post went is not an indication of where it was at first. 3 weeks left before he leaves BOC-L, Jason PS: Buy _Peter Bohevesky_. It's catchy in a twisted way!! ObChristmaspresent: the DGM 23 song sampler for only $5.99 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 29 18:40:10 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:40:10 +0000 Subject: OFF:Psych recommendations In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971128010542.00783ee8@online.no> Message-ID: At 01:05 28/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >At 23:11 26.11.97 +0000, you wrote: > > >>Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but >>definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" >>trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. >> >>I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after >>school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin >>stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember >>this...Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or >>even as a response to those.... >># >>ChrisW > >Now, you sure your memory isn't SLIGHTLY rusty even? ;^)~ > >Let me just check here... ah yes, the Tapestry Of Delights book... hmm, >ah, yes!! Kenneth is right! And I am right! You were there then, you >prove it by not remembering this :) I will quote from the historical >tome: > >"The dominant forces of what remained of Gongwere Hillage and Moerlen, >but the only vinyl output of this era <1975> seems to have been Hillage's >solo album Fish Rising, which included alot of band material, and an >outtake, "Pentagramaspin", which got an airing on Virgin's 1975 double >album sampler, "V", credited to Paragong." > I remember the title of the track now that you mention it, and it may be that the line up was that of "Paragong", but I still maintain that it was NOT credited to "Paragong" on the copy of "V" that my friend owned - I think perhaps it was just listed as an outtake from "Fish Rising": either way, it was a most excellent track (as were most of the tracks on that sampler). ChrisW >And Bob's yer uncle! > >Christian > >ObNeedNow!!!!: Paragong - Live 1973 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 30 19:13:45 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:13:45 GMT Subject: OFF: Pentagramaspinn - notGong notParagong notround notlager In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:40:10 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > >>Definitely not: there may have been a Gong track on "V" (probably was) but > >>definitely not Paragong. The Gong track would have been from the "teapot" > >>trilogy, or an ottake therefrom. > >> > >>I will brook no disapute on this ( *g* ). I spent too much time after > >>school ('73/'74/'75 academic years) listening to "V" and the other Virgin > >>stuff of the time ( & Henry Cow stilll rool!) to misremember > >>this...Paragong came along later, probably post Shamal/Gazeuse period - or > >>even as a response to those.... > >># > >>ChrisW > > > >Now, you sure your memory isn't SLIGHTLY rusty even? ;^)~ > > > >Let me just check here... ah yes, the Tapestry Of Delights book... hmm, > >ah, yes!! Kenneth is right! And I am right! You were there then, you > >prove it by not remembering this :) I will quote from the historical > >tome: > > > >"The dominant forces of what remained of Gongwere Hillage and Moerlen, > >but the only vinyl output of this era <1975> seems to have been Hillage's > >solo album Fish Rising, which included alot of band material, and an > >outtake, "Pentagramaspin", which got an airing on Virgin's 1975 double > >album sampler, "V", credited to Paragong." > > > > I remember the title of the track now that you mention it, and it may be > that the line up was that of "Paragong", but I still maintain that it was > NOT credited to "Paragong" on the copy of "V" that my friend owned - I > think perhaps it was just listed as an outtake from "Fish Rising": either > way, it was a most excellent track (as were most of the tracks on that > sampler). OK - peace! Here's a definitive description from the whateveritwas leaflet that accompanied this release (I've got a xerox copy a friend gave me once). STEVE HILLAGE Pentagramaspinn (Steve Hillage) 5.45 The Sky-drunk Heartbeat Band comprising STEVIE HILLSIDE Guitar and Voice BAMBALONI YONI Youyou voice MIKE HOWLETT Bass DAVE STEWART Organ TIM BLAKE Synthesizer DIDIER MALHERBE Saxaphone PIERRE MOERLINN Percussion A track from the sessions for Steve Hillage's forthcoming solo album on Virgin, this won't be included on (V203) (out in April). Recorded September 1974 at the Manor Engineer: Simon Heyworth Published by Virgin Music (Publishers) Ltd Steve Hillage is a member of Gong There y'are jill PS: there was also a Clearlight Symphony track on it - but not one that featured any of the Gong folk. ======================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 30 19:20:36 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:20:36 +0000 Subject: tBS in Elmira, BOC in our hearts Message-ID: On s?n 30 nov 1997 20.36 +0000 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > Think about it--the idea of BOC > as this mythic-in-stature rock group brewing mystical and heavy music is > what Sandy P. envisaged to begin with to some extent. Aye, and it was a damned good vision--or an attractive one, anyway (which is perhaps not quite the same thing). -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 30 19:30:10 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:30:10 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind in Record Collector Message-ID: Just finished browsing through December's issue of Record Collector - there's an intersting sprinkle of Hawkwind albums for sale but I'll pull out the following of particular interest: M.Bryceland, 69 Boston Avenue, Southend, Essex, SS2 6JH (Tel: 01702 300904) has the following for sale LP Bob Calvert: Live at Queens Hall (Black 1) M/M 20.00 LP Nik Turner: Sphynx Xtintoday (Charism + book) M/M 20.00 7" Brock: Zones (Hawkfan release + insert) M 20.00 Prices are in Uk pounds. He also has Hawkwind Zones (Greek release) album and Live 79 (Greek release) album as well as various picture sleeve 7" releases Back on the Streets 7" (German pic sl), Shot Down In the Night 7" (German pic sl), Urban Guerilla 7" (French pic sl) and Lord of Lihgt (German pic sl). Good Hunting jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Nov 30 23:42:52 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:42:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snow Message-ID: Hey, any snow you don't want, I'll take! SET From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 30 18:00:45 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:00:45 +0000 Subject: top ten psych lps... and then some! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: JonB wrote: >Get anything by Lothar & The Hand People. "Hymn To Space" came out in >what, '67? Big influence on Floyd, Hawkwind and these days The Orb and >The Chemical Brothers have cited them in interviews. I could be wrong, >but I believe they were the first band to use synths. I don't know about synths, but their big thing was the Theremin - hence the name: one of the theremin Konnoisseurs on the list should be able to confirm! Other period electronica worth checking are anything by "Tonto's Expanding Headband" ("Tonto" was one of the first generation mega-Moogs) and stuff by "Beaver & Krause" - I have "In A Wild Sanctuary", but I understand that "Ghandarve" (sp?) is their best. ChrisW ObCD: "Spanners" by Black Dog ============================= Chris Warburton, 7 Godstone Road Kenley Surrey CR8 5AG Home phone: 0181 668 4946 ============================ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 30 18:20:18 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:20:18 +0000 Subject: HW: An open letter to EMI and HW In-Reply-To: <3482BCCC.AA1ED38D@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: Hawkswede wrote: > >Greetings from a snowy Sundsvall (somewhere in the north of Sweden) > >Hawkswede I camped at Sundsvall once on my way to Lakselv with the scouts (don't ask me how many years ago.... (8^{)> ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 30 18:34:13 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:34:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: the truth is out there In-Reply-To: <01BCFEAB.9CA73DC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >OK, leaving religion out of it... > >>OTOH, when I >> look >> around at the world, I am very frightened by what I see. The increase of >> violence, strong language getting worse... this is slowly working its way >> into everything, including video clips. Look at stuff by Marylin Manson, >> NIN, etc... regardless of how good the music and/or lyrics are, the >> videos >> are just gross and disgusting. Do we really need stuff like that ? Do you >> find it "civilized" ? "educated" ? Someone on the list mentioned that >> bands >> like Marilyn Manson just used this as an image, wanting to make >> "music-you-don't-want-your-kids-to-listen"... right. But what's the point >> ? > >Thank you, Doctor Wertham. :) > >Part of rock'n'roll's *purpose* is to shock and disgust the older >generation. Blue Oyster Cult were considered shocking and degenerate by >many old farts in the '70s. > >So you're shocked and disgusted by Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson. You >must be over thirty. > >-Andy Or under twelve (Cf. the fan base of Boyzone/SpiceGirls/Gina G. etc....) otherwise I quite agree - I'm so glad that I'm still acquiring Cds of which my father-in-law says "If you put that on, I'm leaving the room..." (snigger - my secret weapons for the dreaded family Xmas - I think I've found a way to justify the expense of a copy of "1999 Party"....3 cheers..) ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Safe sex doen't mean no sex, it just means use your imagination." - Billy Bragg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~