From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu May 1 06:57:44 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:57:44 UT Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? Message-ID: I just went and voted, OK, and I noticed one of the candidates (this is Dulwich & West Norwood) was a certain Captain Rizz, representing the Rizz Party. There can't be two of them, can there - this is the dreadlocked EBS recording artist? Must say, he's been running a pretty low-profile campaign! - Andy PS No, I didn't vote for him! Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 1 07:02:50 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:02:50 -0400 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: > Okay, thanks. I live in Canada, though, so I will never get > the chance to see them live. i don't know what part of canada you live in, but they have been known to stop in a few canadian cities. check sonique's page for links to tour lists. >What do they have on CD so far? well. there is the studio release prophets of time, which is pretty much the 1994 line-up. a lot of listmembers seem to dislike this one, but i like it a lot. then, space ritual 94, with helios creed on guitar. very chaotic. i like it as well. then there's 'past or future', the best one IMO. its pretty much Warrior on the Edge live. its got a few calvert tunes on it, like lord of the hornets, and highrise. i may have missed one or two. but they are all pretty good. > > Yeah, I think it would be fun. I would like to see them, but I > would choose Hawkwind if they were in competing venues. > me too. > I love Ron's voice. How does he do the really freaky things with > his voice like that? I have never heard anybody like that ever. > At first when I got Alien 4 I was kind of skeptical, but then when > I saw what Love in Space was like, I went back and really learned > to appreciate Alien 4. the high pitched stuff is done with electronics. bridgett used to do it as well. > Ron is one of my favorite HW vocalists now. The only one I never > really got to enjoy was Bridgett. Her voice just didn't seem right > to me. (Black Elk Speaks is the best song with her, I think.) i liked bridgett, but thought she really needed the magic of studio. live, her voice sounds a bit flat to me. > New Question: Is there any website that identifies the lead > singer for each song? there is one that lists the lineup for each track/album. not sure if it identifies who's playing what, tho. i don't remember the URL, but i got to it either via paul wards page, or joly's what's up page. > But what about Alan's songs? And Harvey's? And did Richard only > do the Rolling Stones cover song? Who does the Coded Languages song > when it's done live on the Undisclosed Files CD? alan's voice should be easy to recognize. no one else sounds like him. he sings sputnik stan (with ron, now) damnation alley post calvert, occasionally golden void, and lsd. harvey never did much singing, mostly spoken word. gimme shelter is richard's only vocal song, and he told me he wasn't happy with it. not sure about coded languages on UF. only listened to it once when i first got it. i don't even remember what year its from. moorcock sang it on the live chronicles tour. brock sang the original. > Not having ever seen them live (except for my Black Sword video I > found in a pawn shop in Edmonton), I don't know who sings what on > some of the songs. if you have specific songs you want to know about, email me privately, and i will look it up for you. sprawl at starlinx.com > Thanks! welcome! rj From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu May 1 07:14:44 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:14:44 UT Subject: NIK: Sphynx on EBS Message-ID: So is this the original utterly genius _Xitintoday_, or the not-actually-that-bad nineties remake? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 1 07:27:00 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:27:00 -0400 Subject: Captain Rizz for PM? Message-ID: > I just went and voted, OK, and I noticed one of the candidates (this is > Dulwich & West Norwood) was a certain Captain Rizz, representing the Rizz > Party. There can't be two of them, can there - this is the dreadlocked EBS > recording artist? > > Must say, he's been running a pretty low-profile campaign! > > - Andy > > PS No, I didn't vote for him! > um, on the first rizz album, rizz claims to be running for something. says vote rizz across the back. "when elected we shall introduce legislation to put into effect THE RIZZ PARTY MANIFESTO. the whole of the universe together with mankind to be designated a 'special zone'. within this special zone: the airways are to be freed allowning unlimited tv and radio stations. the police will be requested to 'chill out.' the liscensing laws relating to alcohol and live entertainment are to be reviewed and relaxed. the round house at chalk farm to be freed by 'opting out' of local council control and returning to its old use as a music and arts centre for the whole community." ?????? alan davey did the artwork on this album, BTW. rj From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu May 1 08:16:49 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:16:49 UT Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? Message-ID: >"when elected we shall introduce legislation to put into effect THE RIZZ >PARTY MANIFESTO. >the whole of the universe together with mankind to be designated a 'special >zone'. >within this special zone: >the airways are to be freed allowning unlimited tv and radio stations. >the police will be requested to 'chill out.' >the liscensing laws relating to alcohol and live entertainment are to be >reviewed and relaxed. >the round house at chalk farm to be freed by 'opting out' of local council >control and returning to its old use as a music and arts centre for the >whole community." Now if I'd read that earlier, I *would* have voted for him!!!! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu May 1 09:23:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:23:00 -0500 Subject: ICU US Tour Message-ID: Spoke with mary Bruce and she had been asked by EBS to try and get together some interest for an ICU US tour in the fall. If anyone out there is interested in trying to get a show in their area please contact them. They are still alive... 617-547-9633 Scott From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 1 09:11:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:11:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Beltane Fire web site Message-ID: Last night in Edinburgh saw the neo-pagan celebration of the rebirth of the Green Man, consort of the May Queen. Key words: fire, drums. Piccies from previous years celebrations are on this website. http://www.electricfrog.co.uk/beltane/ Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu May 1 10:40:19 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:40:19 -0700 Subject: HW Et Al, blah blah Message-ID: What's good is to see Doug Smith pulling everyone back into the HW (EBS) Umbrella. So Nik is no longer on Cleopatra? is this true? He seemed to fit quite well there. If true, I think it's pretty cool. EBS is getting the rights back to whatever they can, so the current and former members of HW can reap some reward. And with everyone getting royalties regularily, things go much smoother. Old wounds heal when cash is involved. I am sure Nik would sell better linked to the HW name (in San Francisco he played twice, and he sold far better when it was billed as Space Ritual/Hawkwind than when it was Nik Turner.) So I think part of what EBS has done/will do is maybe ease some financial strains on these guys. Whether Nik truely intended to use the name Hawkwind or if that happened later, by venues and promoters I don't know. I just think things will be better for all members now that they are all on EBS. Simon House left hypnotic for EBS, Davey is part of EBS so he stays in the family. It seems Harvey is now on EBS. And what about Huw, is he being "called home" to EBS? We should get stickers to put on Onward Flies the Bird when no one is looking, "DON'T BUY THIS CRAP, ARTISTS NOT COMPENSATED." or something like that. Dane (in for a penny...) ObCD: No Boundary Condition - Dweller at the Threshold From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu May 1 12:39:22 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:39:22 +0100 Subject: HW: 85 concert video differences? Message-ID: Hi Could someone tell what the differences are between the 2 conicles of the Black sword concert videos are. I broguht one a while ago for 5.99 and havn't aclue whihc one it is. Where were the edits made. Also does this new extended version include the bits cut from the orginal mailing list copy? Timothy Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com ---------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/index.html Status quo: http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/quo1.html --------------------------------------------- "It is their (pause) jet it is not" (M. Moorcock on Space) ----------------------------------------------------------- 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM Oxygen 107.9 - A CONTINUING SUCESS STORY CONTINUES, NO SURPRISES THERE! 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM TALK RADIO (1053/1089AM) - Free call 0500 105389. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 1 14:14:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:14:01 -0400 Subject: HW Et Al, blah blah Message-ID: Harvey is now on EBS. And what about Huw, is he being "called home" to EBS? did I hear a whisper somewhere about huw possibly joining bedouin? i think i did, but i might have been dreaming again..... in reference to calling the former members home: one problem i believe will be solved- former members signing over rights to reproduce and market live material. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 1 14:15:47 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:15:47 -0400 Subject: 85 concert video differences? Message-ID: > Hi > > Could someone tell what the differences are between the 2 conicles of the > Black sword concert videos are. I broguht one a while ago for 5.99 and havn't > aclue whihc one it is. Where were the edits made. Also does this new extended > version include the bits cut from the orginal mailing list copy? > > Timothy Langner as far as i know, there is only the one-hour version, then the cd-i version with the extra tracks. are you maybe confused with the 'live legends' video? a lot of people get them mixed up. rj From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 1 14:41:49 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:41:49 -0400 Subject: HW/NIK: Cleopatra's (new) box Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've just seen a new (well, 1997 at least) box set called, 'This is Space' from Cleopatra. It's three discs of various spacerock tunes (including single tunes from HW (Adjust me?), Gong, ADII, etc., and the obligatory onslaught of Cleopatra's own (i.e., Pressurehed-Friends & Relations)). But then it also has a 'bonus CD' of ambient music that isn't identified. The four-disc set was selling for US$21, which seems like a decent price, but how many of these redundant compilations do we need?? They (Cleopatra group) are really running them out on the market one after another these days, aren't they? So, does anybody have this thing, and if so, what's on Disc 4?? Inquiring minds want to know?? Thanks...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Bob Mould - Workbook From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Thu May 1 15:51:58 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: HW: 85 concert video differences? Message-ID: At 05:39 PM 5/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi > >Could someone tell what the differences are between the 2 conicles of the >Black sword concert videos are. I broguht one a while ago for 5.99 and havn't >aclue whihc one it is. Where were the edits made. Also does this new extended >version include the bits cut from the orginal mailing list copy? > The other video version of conicles of the Black sword is 70 mins long and has 4 extra tracks Coded Languages, Born To Go, Utopia, Levitation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Thu May 1 17:52:00 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:52:00 +0400 Subject: OFF: Tribe of Cro (was: HW Et Al, blah blah) Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > What's good is to see Doug Smith pulling everyone > back into the HW (EBS) Umbrella I'd like to recommend to you another excellent band that's now under the same unbrella mentioned above: Tribe of Cro. They have recently released a CD on EBS (you can find it in EBS list at www.hawkwind.com). It is english-belgian group that plays very Hawk-spirited instrumental music; I have a record (Potlatch) by them and a tape (Sporadic Spiro Gyra - also on EBS) and I like them very much. BTW drummer in this group is 14-years old (or is he 15 already?) son of an editor of Crohinga Well magazine - an excellent source of information about psychedelic music, and Hawkwind in particular. Yuri From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu May 1 22:53:50 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:53:50 -0400 Subject: FW: R'n'R Hall o' Fame Prog section?!?! Message-ID: Hey y'all, Forwarding you this from the Camel mailing list. Think of any bands that we know that might fit the in the "prog" category??? One or two that we might want to see represented, hmmm? obNew Baby / Anna Elizabeth, 8.3lbs, 21", red hair, released Monday @ 1651. obProud Ol' Man / Me. :-) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: drj_saro[SMTP:drj_saro at neo.lrun.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 4:10 PM To: on-reflection at lists.uoregon.edu; app at roadkill.com; camel at roadkill.com; bulkmail at blackcat.demon.co.uk; stormcock at steamradio.com; Elephant Talk okay, people...listen up! these have been various ammounts of noise on various 'prog-related' lists for quite some time in regard to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame/Shame/Blame etc. well, from an article in Cleveland Ohio's free entertainment weekly, the Scene.... "As to future projects and installations, a smaller progressive rock exhibit is in the works - "one that will deal with bands like Yes, Genesis, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer and all those guys.,"..." it usually takes them about a year to put together an exhibit (this info from another part of the article), so if you have anything to contribute, from advice & suggestions on up to memoribilia contact them! Track down the address by a web-search, they have a site that supports e-mail. ------------------------------------- Name: Julius J. SAROKA E-mail: drj_saro Date: 5/1/97 Time: 8:10:08 PM This message was sent by Chameleon (in the Shadow of the Night) ------------------------------------- From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri May 2 00:33:47 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:33:47 -0600 Subject: FW: R'n'R Hall o' Fame Prog section?!?! Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > > obNew Baby / Anna Elizabeth, 8.3lbs, 21", red hair, released Monday @ 1651. > obProud Ol' Man / Me. :-) Congrats,Dude:) Give her a cuddle for me, ok? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi I have this Psychedelic Warlords cd ltd. edition and there is Space Bandits sticker? Adrian Parr Discography don?t mention that. Include that sticker every cd? Miikka Wagner From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri May 2 06:58:08 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:58:08 UT Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? Message-ID: Captain Rizz got a massive 38 votes! (Nearly as many as the Tory around here :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 2 12:25:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:25:52 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? Message-ID: Can someone repost the Rizz manifesto? :) Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 2 08:30:49 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:30:49 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: Well, I don't know for sure, but I've been hearing for at least a few weeks that the release date for that CD was May 20th, so this isn't a sudden change of plans. But, I think also that Eric mentioned that they recently were still working the legal stuff for BOC's contributions. I'm not trying to imply that BOC is holding up the CD, but obviously the contracts need to be signed before the CD comes out. Whether or not they are still working on legal stuff for the other artists I don't know. Anyway, May 20th is presumably the date, although personally I'll wait to hear that the contracts are signed before I believe it. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 2 13:33:55 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:33:55 BST Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 2 May 1997 10:58:08 UT Message-ID: *** WARNING - this is way off topic again... *** Andrew Gilham writes: > Captain Rizz got a massive 38 votes! (Nearly as many as the Tory around here > :) Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that were available for election : All Night Party Bertie's Party Glow Bowling Party Happiness Stan's Freedom to Party Party Hair 106.2 Alien Party Hemp Coalition Independently Beautiful Party Juice Party Logic Party Truth Only Allowed Miss Moneypenny's Glamorous One Party Monster Raving Loony Party None of the Above Parties Renaissance Party Ronnie the Rhino Party Route 66 Party Posse Party Space Age Superhero from Planet Beanus Sportsman's Alliance: Anything but Mellor Sub-genius Party Teddy Bear Alliance Party The Mongolian Barbeque Great Place to Party Party just in case you were feeling undecided 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 2 08:37:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:37:10 EDT Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Well, I don't know for sure, but I've been hearing for at least a few > weeks that the release date for that CD was May 20th, so this isn't a > sudden change of plans. But, I think also that Eric mentioned that they > recently were still working the legal stuff for BOC's contributions. > I'm not trying to imply that BOC is holding up the CD, but obviously > the contracts need to be signed before the CD comes out. Whether or not > they are still working on legal stuff for the other artists I don't know. > > Anyway, May 20th is presumably the date, although personally I'll wait > to hear that the contracts are signed before I believe it. > > John Has anyone heard what tracks will be on it from BOC? theo From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri May 2 09:33:35 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 08:33:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Raving Looney Party Message-ID: >Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that >were available for election : > >Monster Raving Loony Party A long while ago my uncle told me that this party was set up by Screaming Lord Sutch. I know he's worked with Page,Beck Blackmore as well I think. Im curious as to why you can't find any of his CDs in the states. Still off topic, but at least its muscially inclined. Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 2 09:54:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:54:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Monster Raving Looney Party Message-ID: >> From: Bolts of Ungodly vision > >Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that > >were available for election : > > > >Monster Raving Loony Party > A long while ago my uncle told me that this party was set up by Screaming > Lord Sutch. I know he's worked with Page,Beck Blackmore as well I think. > Im curious as to why you can't find any of his CDs in the states. > > Still off topic, but at least its muscially inclined. > > Jason Lord Sutch was pretty much a gimmick, and he didn't go over all that well back in the Cretaceus period either! I think he was pretty well wired up with the music scene. I believe he was either royalty [hence the 'Lord' title] or inherited a bunch of dough. Anyway, he was able to get the above heavy hitters to play on his record because of his connections. Despite the presence of some great players, the record basically sucked 'cause there wasn't any substantive material for them to work with. I think he only made one record: 'The Screaming Lord Sutch [and his heavy friends].' You see it in used vinyl shops every now and again. Beck/Page completists will want it, others will likely pass... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 2 10:00:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:00:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch Message-ID: Correction: The lord Sutch record was: Lord Sutch and Heavy Friends. 1970, Cotillion Records, SD 9015. OCLC lists him as David Sutch, Lord, so I guess he must be part of the peerage. Carl, Jill, any thoughts? theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 2 15:32:50 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:32:50 BST Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 2 May 1997 13:33:55 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that > were available for election : [...] > Sub-genius Party The subgenii? If they were standing here then I wouldn't have put "None of the Above" on my ballot paper. > jill Hail Eris! -- A Friend of Fernando Poo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 2 15:34:51 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:34:51 BST Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL84's message of Fri, 2 May 1997 10:00:10 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > Correction: > The lord Sutch record was: Lord Sutch and Heavy Friends. 1970, > Cotillion Records, SD 9015. OCLC lists him as David Sutch, Lord, so > I guess he must be part of the peerage. Carl, Jill, any thoughts? I think it's still 100,000 Pounds in used fivers to Tory Party fnds to be a Lord. > theo FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 2 10:49:56 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:49:56 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: theo asks: >Has anyone heard what tracks will be on it from BOC? Word is that it will have 2 live tracks, Reaper and Godzilla, taken from some show in 1992 (Moscow Idaho is the likely source - supposedly a very good soundboard recording of this show exists); plus a studio version of "The Power Underneath Despair". Prior to Eric reporting this info, Buck presumably had mentioned another track (either "Live for Me" or "In the Cold Grey Light of Dawn" - sorry, memory fails me at the moment), but latest word was "Power.." I originally was dissapointed at hearing that Reaper and Godzilla would make yet another appearance on CD, but then again for this project, it only makes sense to have the artists' greatest hits on it. Can't imagine the CD without Foghat's "Slow Ride" and Steppenwolf's "Born to be Wild", and probably Pat Travers' "Boom Boom Out Go the Lights", so why shouldn't I expect "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" from BOC? John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 2 11:04:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:04:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > > Correction: > > The lord Sutch record was: Lord Sutch and Heavy Friends. 1970, > > Cotillion Records, SD 9015. OCLC lists him as David Sutch, Lord, so > > I guess he must be part of the peerage. Carl, Jill, any thoughts? > > I think it's still 100,000 Pounds in used fivers to Tory Party fnds to > be a Lord. > > > theo > > FoFP So Sutch isn't a born peer, but rather a purchased one? How 'bout Ariel Bender? Wasn't he connected with the peerage? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 2 11:12:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:12:18 EDT Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > theo asks: > > >Has anyone heard what tracks will be on it from BOC? > > Word is that it will have 2 live tracks, Reaper and Godzilla, taken from > some show in 1992 (Moscow Idaho is the likely source - supposedly a very > good soundboard recording of this show exists); plus a studio version of > "The Power Underneath Despair". Prior to Eric reporting this info, Buck > presumably had mentioned another track (either "Live for Me" or "In the > Cold Grey Light of Dawn" - sorry, memory fails me at the moment), but > latest word was "Power.." > > I originally was dissapointed at hearing that Reaper and Godzilla would > make yet another appearance on CD, but then again for this project, it > only makes sense to have the artists' greatest hits on it. Can't imagine > the CD without Foghat's "Slow Ride" and Steppenwolf's "Born to be Wild", > and probably Pat Travers' "Boom Boom Out Go the Lights", so why shouldn't > I expect "The Reaper" and "Godzilla" from BOC? > > John I'll welcome ANY new output from BOC at this stage. Who would have been the rhythm section at that time? Does this mean 'Power' was bumped off the new record? Tough to decide what to put on there off EW. Do you sacrifice a killer song like 'Harvest Moon,' and lose its impact for the new BOC record, or include it to show the Summer DAze crowd how great BOC still rocks? Doesn't make sense to include a weak tune or you might convey that BOC is over the hill. But then, when in the last several years have BOC management decisions made sense... theo From tcmc49 at AIRMAIL.NET Fri May 2 13:31:08 1997 From: tcmc49 at AIRMAIL.NET (Ted A McCoy) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:31:08 -0700 Subject: BOC Message-ID: Hi, I'm new the list. In highschool I was a real fan of BOC (especially thier frist three albumns)...I put my music away and now ten years later I'm listening to the music with a new ear. I plan to enjoy their music on the way to gulf Shores ( great highway music ) I'm not familiar with a lot of the bands mentioned on the list but am always interested in new experiences. Also, interested in the alchemical references in Boc's music...any tips?? thanks a lot Cheryl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri May 2 11:39:51 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:39:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Captain Rizz for PM? In-Reply-To: <9705021532.aa17650@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 May 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > Sub-genius Party > > The subgenii? If they were standing here then I wouldn't have put "None > of the Above" on my ballot paper. > > > jill > > Hail Eris! Shouldn't that be ``Praise "Bob"!''? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hash Jar Tempo, _Well Oiled_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri May 2 12:22:48 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:22:48 UT Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch Message-ID: Rock Family Trees says: "Lord Sutch was never a lord, of course. He was a plumber's mate from Harrow..." (I don't think Sir Charles Barkley is a knight, either :) I saw Sutch at the Grey Horse, Kingston, a few years ago - good pub-rock! And I don't think any amount of money to the Tory party will get you a lordship after last night :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 2 17:30:34 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:30:34 BST Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL84's message of Fri, 2 May 1997 10:00:10 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > Correction: > The lord Sutch record was: Lord Sutch and Heavy Friends. 1970, > Cotillion Records, SD 9015. OCLC lists him as David Sutch, Lord, so > I guess he must be part of the peerage. Carl, Jill, any thoughts? > theo ummm - can't say for sure but it could be a Deed Poll name change. He'll probably be listed in "Who's Who" if anyone is near a library. I'm told he owns/runs a pub in the same village in Devon where my sister lives but I haven't got a clue what he looks like so if I've seen him walk past me I wouldn't know it! However I saw the album for sale in a record fair recently - price 30.00 pounds. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri May 2 12:49:11 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:49:11 UT Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch Message-ID: And besides, he could never have stood for election to the House of Commons if he was really a nob. He got the nickname because he used to wear a top hat (still does, in fact), which made him look a bit like Lord Snooty in the Beano. the "screaming" comes from Screaming Jay Hawkins. He cut at least five singles with various incarnations of the Savages (who counted Ritchie "Bluebell" Blackmore among their number for a while on '62), but any album is almost certainly just a compilation of these. He first stood for Parliament in 1963, for the National Teenage Party - among whose shocking demands was votes at the age of 18! - but didn't stand this time because he had to look after his mum. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 2 13:09:06 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:09:06 -0400 Subject: BOC Message-ID: >Hi, I'm new the list. In highschool I was a real fan of BOC (especially >thier frist three albumns)...I put my music away and now ten years later >I'm listening to the music with a new ear. I plan to enjoy their music >on the way to gulf Shores ( great highway music ) I'm not familiar with >a lot of the bands mentioned on the list but am always interested in new >experiences. Also, interested in the alchemical references in Boc's >music...any tips?? thanks a lot Cheryl Cool. Have you gotten the FAQ yet? It covers a lot of the references in BOC stuff and is a great read regardless. A lot of the bands you'll hear mentioned come from the Hawkwind side of the list, which you can in theory set a filter to not get that if you don't want it... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri May 2 13:45:03 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly vision) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:45:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Raving Looney Party Message-ID: >Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that >were available for election : > >Monster Raving Loony Party A long while ago my uncle told me that this party was set up by Screaming Lord Sutch. I know he's worked with Page,Beck Blackmore as well I think. Im curious as to why you can't find any of his CDs in the states. Still off topic, but at least its muscially inclined. Jason ay, May 20th is presumably the date, although personally I'll wait > to hear that the contracts are signed befto buy), or some other album >from my past that I've never listened to more than twice. There was also a jazz programme on the telly once, shown on Yorkshire TV late night about 6 years ago, and amongst the many musicians listed in the credits was his name. He also was involved some way with Ambit, the poetry magazine that Mike Moorcock and Bob C had some stuff published in, which is maybe how he got onto 25 years. Yours, full of boring and half remembered vaguely related HW trivia Mike w >From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 06:28:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: scru From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 2 15:12:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:12:25 -0400 Subject: BOC Message-ID: Welcome Cheryl (your e-mail says yer name is "Ted") to BOC-L! You are about to find that there is a fair wealth of BOC information on-line. First there's the folks here on BOC-L - many who have been fans since the 70s, many who will give you lots of music recommendations (both BOC and non-BOC). Also, we are honored to have the presence of Albert Bouchard, the original drummer for BOC, as a member of this list. If you like a lot of the early BOC stuff, you know doubt appreciate his influence on that music; and therefore may appreciate the music of his new band, The Brain Surgeons (they've got 3 CDs out, and those of us who've heard them, for the most part, RAVE about them) - however, I should point out that The Brain Surgeons (or tBS as you will see them referred to here) are very different from BOC, despite sharing Albert's influence. Aside from the people, as someone else already pointed out, there's the BOC FAQ. Not wanting to toot my own horn too much (as I am the editor of the FAQ), it is perhaps the largest single collection of BOC information on the internet - and while I may be the editor, lots of people helped me with it, most notably Bolle Gregmar, the BOC fanclub's president. But, I should really credit BOC-L for the genesis of the FAQ, for without BOC-L, I never would have thought or dared to attempt the project. O.K., enough of the fanfare - to get it, you can FTP it from the BOC-L archives (which you should have got info on when you signed up), or if you have a browser, go to one of the following URLs: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_2.txt http://www.asan.com/users/alexg/boc_faq-2.2.html The second URL has a HTML version of the FAQ, which looks much cooler on a browser than the straight text version. Otherwise, the information contained is the same in either version. There are also numerous BOC web sites - the FAQ lists most of the major ones, including a website for The Brain Surgeons. Have fun, and welcome aboard! John PS: In case you were wondering, BOC is still alive and well, and will (hopefully) be releasing a new album (tentatively titled "Ezekiel's Wheel") by years end. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 2 15:32:19 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:32:19 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: >I'll welcome ANY new output from BOC at this stage. Who would have been the rhythm section at that time? Eric did mention Chuck Burgi would have been on drums for this track, but it's not clear to me who the bassist is. If they used an older recording, then it would be Jon Rogers - if they re-recorded this last fall (it is unclear if they re-did the Bloom-sung songs as his voice was somewhat questionable - at least live), then Danny Miranda would be the bassist. >Does this mean 'Power' was bumped off the new record? Don't think so - there was no mention of anything being bumped. I still think the 10 tracks planned for "Ezekiel's Wheel" are intact. John From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri May 2 15:34:20 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:34:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rizz Manifesto repost Message-ID: "when elected we shall introduce legislation to put into effect THE RIZZ PARTY MANIFESTO. the whole of the universe together with mankind to be designated a 'special zone'. within this special zone: the airways are to be freed allowning unlimited tv and radio stations. the police will be requested to 'chill out.' the liscensing laws relating to alcohol and live entertainment are to be reviewed and relaxed. the round house at chalk farm to be freed by 'opting out' of local council control and returning to its old use as a music and arts centre for the whole community." ?????? alan davey did the artwork on this album, BTW. > Can someone repost the Rizz manifesto? :) > > Cheers, > Carl From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Fri May 2 17:55:35 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 23:55:35 +0200 Subject: THE GERMAN HAWKFAN-FEST SITE / UPDATE Message-ID: hello all - the NORTH GERMAN HAWKFAN FESTIVAL pages have been updated - featuring the latest revised schedule of the appearing bands etc. url: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/hawkmenu.htm very best, knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri May 2 18:26:35 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:26:35 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. In-Reply-To: <199705021230.IAA00985@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John; Thanks for the info on the CD. By the way, I out bid you on the Italian compilation CD. Ha, ha !! Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri May 2 18:28:10 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:28:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Laborday weekend Message-ID: hi just got finished talking to Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes. here is what he said about the space fest labor day weekend. This is to happen at Brushwood Lake in Sherman NY. (PA-NY border). August 30 1997 F/i, Quark Space, Alien Planetscapes, maybe Ozric Tentacles, maybe ArcMet. Hopes are that Hawkwind will Headline, but this is not confirmed (scheduling.) Jim Lasko is taking care of tickets and campground arrangements etc. that's all i know. if i hear more, i'll post it. rj Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri May 2 20:01:10 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 02:01:10 +0200 Subject: tBS: Touring Wisconsin ? Message-ID: >If you like a lot of the early BOC stuff, you know doubt appreciate >his influence on that music; and therefore may appreciate the music of >his new band, The Brain Surgeons And speaking of them... does anyone on the list know if the Brain Surgeons will be touring somewhere in Wisconsin this summer ? I'm gonna be there from June 5th to June 20th, so if the band is playing there (or somewhere near) in that time frame, I'd finally be able to catch them live, which would be pretty cool... Al ? Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri May 2 21:49:58 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:49:58 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Albany Message-ID: Did I forget to mention the Brain Surgeons are playing at the QE2 in Albany, NY this Sunday night? Well we are and it should be a fun show. We still haven't gotten a Utica date so this will be the closest for some time. We are also playing Webster Hall in NYC on May 23, El Mocambo in Toronto on Friday June 13 and the Star Bar in Buffalo on Saturday June 14. I have about half the July West Coast dates confirmed and I'll post the whole schedule soon. Al From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sat May 3 00:38:40 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:38:40 EDT Subject: HW: 85 concert video differences? Message-ID: On Thu, 1 May 1997 14:51:58 -0500 Randy writes: >At 05:39 PM 5/1/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>Could someone tell what the differences are between the 2 conicles of >the >>Black sword concert videos are. I broguht one a while ago for 5.99 >and havn't >>aclue whihc one it is. Where were the edits made. Also does this new >extended >>version include the bits cut from the orginal mailing list copy? >> > > > >The other video version of conicles of the Black sword is 70 mins long >and has 4 extra tracks Coded Languages, Born To Go, Utopia, >Levitation. Is _chonicles_ new or rare? i've never seen a _conicles of the Black sword_ before...(: From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri May 2 13:34:38 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:34:38 -0700 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: ----------. > > > But what about Alan's songs? And Harvey's? And did Richard only > > do the Rolling Stones cover song? Who does the Coded Languages song > > when it's done live on the Undisclosed Files CD? Harve sing Coded on UF and Mike sings Coded on Sonic Attack. > > alan's voice should be easy to recognize. no one else sounds like him. he > sings sputnik stan (with ron, now) damnation alley post calvert, > occasionally golden void, and lsd. > harvey never did much singing, mostly spoken word. gimme shelter is > richard's only vocal song, > and he told me he wasn't happy with it. not sure about coded languages on > UF. only listened to it once when i first got it. i don't even remember > what year its from. moorcock sang it on the live chronicles > tour. brock sang the original. Nope, Mike did. But I didn't know it was done on LC! > > > Not having ever seen them live (except for my Black Sword video I > > found in a pawn shop in Edmonton), I don't know who sings what on > > some of the songs. > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? I don't have the album/CD, just a dub... Charlie From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 3 02:11:41 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 02:11:41 -0400 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: > > tour. brock sang the original. > > Nope, Mike did. But I didn't know it was done on LC! pologeez- had it confused with night of the hawks. i do believe i have a version somewhere with brock singing it tho'. LC-it was only on the cd-i. it was done in the encores. > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > I don't have the album/CD, just a dub... well, we know it wasn't brock or turner. moorcock sings on the album, but that doesn't sound like him. that leaves Kieth Hayle, credited with keyboards and vocals. rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 3 04:09:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:09:02 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970403143154.00914844@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Leafing through this month's "Q" this wonderful morning, I spotted..... Saturday 7th June HAWKWIND CAPTAIN RIZZ special guest HUW LLOYD-LANGTON BLACK HEATH CONCERT HALLS 23 LEE ROAD LONDON SE3 9RQ Box Office : 0181-463-0100 What a great week! the Hawks' gig, The Verve reform and gig on the 17th, the Tories removed, Glastonbury tix in the bag, my kid brother signs new record deal, the cops have caught and jailed that goddam burglar who did my house last year....I'm floating about one foot off the ground!!! All I need now is a cure for diabetes. -- Jon Browne From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 3 04:45:56 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 11:45:56 +0300 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hi, I?m new the list and a real fan of HW. I hear that Alan has left HW? Is that true. Miikka From tcmc49 at AIRMAIL.NET Sat May 3 09:48:38 1997 From: tcmc49 at AIRMAIL.NET (Ted A McCoy) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 06:48:38 -0700 Subject: BOC John Message-ID: John, Thanks for the info. I am eager to check out the Brain Surgeons. I've scanned your FAQ but I plan to read it more deeply a second time. I'll keep you updated on any unique findings...I've been flipping through an alchemy book and finding some interesting quotes about stars, keys and gardens...Wasn't it Aleister Crowley who said "every man and woman a star.."? Oh well, we'll see what happens. By the way your FAQ has been real helpful! Ciao! cheryl (oh by the way, the address says Ted cause that's my husband) :) From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat May 3 08:20:12 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:20:12 +0200 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hello Miikaa You are welcome At 11:45 03.05.97 +0300, you wrote: >I hear that Alan has left HW? Is that true. Yes it is. The new lineup is now: brock / chadwick / tree / richards cu Bernhard From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 3 09:52:46 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:52:46 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: <$FTw5BAeKvazEwT8@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 May 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Leafing through this month's "Q" this wonderful morning, I spotted..... > > > Saturday 7th June > > HAWKWIND > CAPTAIN RIZZ > > special guest HUW LLOYD-LANGTON > > BLACK HEATH CONCERT HALLS > 23 LEE ROAD > LONDON SE3 9RQ > > Box Office : 0181-463-0100 God damn it! That would be the perfect way to celebrate the end of my Finals - if PT weren't playing in Cambridge the same day... does anyone have a schedule for the Strawberry Fayre, or know where I could get one? The two on one day in two different towns... it's a million-to-one chance, exactly a million-to-one chance... Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 3 09:52:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 14:52:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >And I don't think any amount of money to the Tory party will get you a >lordship after last night :) > >- Andy Be a waste of money anyway, seeing as The House Of Lords will be abolished within the next five years -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 3 10:06:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 15:06:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >He first stood for Parliament in 1963, for the National Teenage Party - among >whose shocking demands was votes at the age of 18! ....making him the most senior party leader in the UK. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 3 16:47:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 16:47:06 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Rizz Manifesto repost Message-ID: Thanks :) That needed to be shared with some people I know. Cheers, Carl From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 3 11:50:09 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 11:50:09 -0400 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! Message-ID: > > > > HAWKWIND > > CAPTAIN RIZZ > > > > special guest HUW LLOYD-LANGTON > > > > BLACK HEATH CONCERT HALLS > > 23 LEE ROAD > > LONDON SE3 9RQ > > > > Box Office : 0181-463-0100 > > God damn it! That would be the perfect way to celebrate the end of > my Finals - if PT weren't playing in Cambridge the same day... does anyone > have a schedule for the Strawberry Fayre, or know where I could get one? > The two on one day in two different towns... it's a million-to-one chance, > exactly a million-to-one chance... > Jazza > damn, jon, is there really a choice? i am considering booking a flight over for that weekend. and i'm broke as hell! rj From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 3 13:59:01 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 20:59:01 +0300 Subject: HW Message-ID: > >At 11:45 03.05.97 +0300, you wrote: >>I hear that Alan has left HW? Is that true. >Yes it is. The new lineup is now: > >brock / chadwick / tree / richards > > >Well, who is richards? Miikka > From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat May 3 16:39:50 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:39:50 +0200 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hi Miikka At 20:59 03.05.97 +0300, you wrote: >>Well, who is Richards? Jerry Richards is HAWKWIND's new guitarrist. He played with the band a few times during 1995/1996 After Alan has left the band, Ron Tree plays bass, Dave Brock plays guitar and keyboards and Richard Chadwick plays drums Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Sat May 3 23:44:05 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 20:44:05 -0700 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > Saturday 7th June > HAWKWIND > CAPTAIN RIZZ > special guest HUW LLOYD-LANGTON I already planned to go to London again, somewhere in May or June, so when I read the subject line those plans could have been made definite. There is however, a marvellous progrock festival in Holland taking place on that day (seven bands). Will have to wait to see HW again, I guess... I trust the list will keep me informed about gigs... :-) Jerry From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat May 3 18:40:17 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:40:17 -0400 Subject: tBS: Touring Wisconsin ? Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia queries: >And speaking of them... does anyone on the list know if the Brain Surgeons >will be touring somewhere in Wisconsin this summer ? I'm gonna be there from >June 5th to June 20th, so if the band is playing there (or somewhere near) >in that time frame, I'd finally be able to catch them live, which would be >pretty cool... Al ? No dates in Wisconsin so far. The closest we'll be is Toronto and Buffalo on June 13th and 14th. Al From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Sat May 3 23:52:27 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (J. Malcolm) Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:52:27 -0400 Subject: tBS: touring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any dates in Montreal? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 4 03:03:33 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:03:33 +0800 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: > harvey never did much singing, mostly spoken word. gimme shelter is > richard's only vocal song, > and he told me he wasn't happy with it. not sure about coded languages on > UF. only listened to it once when i first got it. i don't even remember > what year its from. moorcock sang it on the live chronicles > tour. brock sang the original. Moorcock did the vocals on the original version of Coded Languages and I believe Harvey did the vocals on a lot of the live versions. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 4 03:04:48 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:04:48 +0800 Subject: NIK: Sphynx on EBS Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > So is this the original utterly genius _Xitintoday_, or the > not-actually-that-bad nineties remake? > It would be good if it was a double with both versions. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 4 03:11:36 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:11:36 +0800 Subject: 85 concert video differences? Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Could someone tell what the differences are between the 2 conicles of the > > Black sword concert videos are. I broguht one a while ago for 5.99 and > havn't > > aclue whihc one it is. Where were the edits made. Also does this new > extended > > version include the bits cut from the orginal mailing list copy? > > > > Timothy Langner > > as far as i know, there is only the one-hour version, then the cd-i version > with the extra tracks. > are you maybe confused with the 'live legends' video? a lot of people get > them mixed up. > rj I recall reading something about a difference between the original mail order version and the retail version of Black Sword. Wouldn't it be great if they released the entire show, as it must have been filmed in its entirety!!! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 4 03:25:00 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:25:00 +0800 Subject: OFF: Monster Raving Looney Party Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > >> From: Bolts of Ungodly vision > > > >Browsing through Teletext last night - here are a few other parties that > > >were available for election : > > > > > >Monster Raving Loony Party > > A long while ago my uncle told me that this party was set up by Screaming > > Lord Sutch. I know he's worked with Page,Beck Blackmore as well I think. > > Im curious as to why you can't find any of his CDs in the states. > > > > Still off topic, but at least its muscially inclined. > > > > Jason > > Lord Sutch was pretty much a gimmick, and he didn't go over all that > well back in the Cretaceus period either! I think he was pretty well > wired up with the music scene. I believe he was either royalty > [hence the 'Lord' title] or inherited a bunch of dough. Anyway, he > was able to get the above heavy hitters to play on his record because > of his connections. Despite the presence of some great players, the > record basically sucked 'cause there wasn't any substantive material > for them to work with. I think he only made one record: 'The > Screaming Lord Sutch [and his heavy friends].' You see it in used > vinyl shops every now and again. Beck/Page completists will want it, > others will likely pass... > theo He has done quite a few albums: Hands of Jack the Ripper Alive & Well Live Manifesto Rock & Horror Lord Sutch & Heavy Friends Lord Sutch & the Savages One or two of them could be the same with different titles, though? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 4 03:29:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:29:52 +0800 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: > > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > > I don't have the album/CD, just a dub... > > well, we know it wasn't brock or turner. moorcock sings on the album, but > that doesn't sound like him. > that leaves Kieth Hayle, credited with keyboards and vocals. > rj I believe it is Keith Hayle, and Moorcock sings Running Through the Back Brain William From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 4 12:48:29 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:48:29 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: <19970503155142925.AAA160@hawk2> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 May 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > > God damn it! That would be the perfect way to celebrate the end > of > > my Finals - if PT weren't playing in Cambridge the same day... does > anyone > > have a schedule for the Strawberry Fayre, or know where I could get one? > > The two on one day in two different towns... it's a million-to-one > chance, > > exactly a million-to-one chance... > > Jazza > > > > damn, jon, is there really a choice? > i am considering booking a flight over for that weekend. > and i'm broke as hell! > rj Don't get me wrong here; I may be wearing my `Signify' t-shirt right at this moment, but if it comes to one or the other then to London will I go. I just wanna see them both! And there's an airshow back in Cambridge the day after, too... I won't be able to hear _anything_ on Monday! Yours, Jon /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Sun May 4 13:43:03 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 18:43:03 +0100 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: >> harvey never did much singing, mostly spoken word. gimme shelter is >> richard's only vocal song, >> and he told me he wasn't happy with it. not sure about coded languages on >> UF. only listened to it once when i first got it. i don't even remember >> what year its from. moorcock sang it on the live chronicles >> tour. brock sang the original. > >Moorcock did the vocals on the original version of Coded Languages and I >believe Harvey did the vocals on a lot of the live versions. > >William Yes, Harvey performed Coded Languages at gigs. Sometimes he used to take off with variations of "Question the nature of..." ie "the drugs you have been taking" etc. Alasdair From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun May 4 21:26:33 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 21:26:33 BST Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Sun, 4 May 1997 17:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > On Sat, 3 May 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > > > > God damn it! That would be the perfect way to celebrate the end > > of > > > my Finals - if PT weren't playing in Cambridge the same day... does > > anyone > > > have a schedule for the Strawberry Fayre, or know where I could get one? > > > The two on one day in two different towns... it's a million-to-one > > chance, > > > exactly a million-to-one chance... > > > Jazza > > > > > > > damn, jon, is there really a choice? > > i am considering booking a flight over for that weekend. > > and i'm broke as hell! > > rj > > Don't get me wrong here; I may be wearing my `Signify' t-shirt > right at this moment, but if it comes to one or the other then to London > will I go. I just wanna see them both! And there's an airshow back in > Cambridge the day after, too... I won't be able to hear _anything_ on > Monday! Yours, > Jon > ok - I've found the announcement and it shows the two-headed bird symbol with HAWKWIND displayed in white across the middle and under that in black print is BENEFIT IN AID OF THE HOMELESS. This is followed by SPECIAL GUEST HUW LLOYD-LANGTON and then "on support: Captain Rizz" Now can anyone confirm please that this definitely means Hawkwind *are* playing or is it just that the Hawkwind logo is being used as an overall title and the announcement in effect really reads "HAWKWIND BENEFIT IN AID OF THE HOMELESS" i.e. organised by Hawkwind contacts but not necessarily including the band. Venue is Black Heath Concert Halls. Box Office no. 0181 463 0100. Address 22 Lee Road, London, SE3 9RQ If the band *are* playing then I'm headed south! If they're not then a Saturday in Cambridge is a tempting thought.... Could someone please confirm time and venue for Porcupine Tree in Cambridge? Thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 5 10:41:43 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:41:43 BST Subject: OFF: Lord Sutch In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 2 May 1997 16:22:48 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > And I don't think any amount of money to the Tory party will get you a > lordship after last night :) Wont some old duffer be kicked up to the Lords to squeeze Portillo back into the leadership contest? > - Andy FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 5 10:46:29 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:46:29 BST Subject: HW: No news for some time In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Sun, 4 May 1997 15:29:52 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > ...and Moorcock sings Running Through the Back > Brain "sings" being used here in the loosest sense of the word. > William FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 5 08:14:54 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:14:54 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: Yeah, you did outbid me Manuel - but at least I raised the price you had to pay! So THERE! ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 5 08:26:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:26:52 EDT Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Yeah, you did outbid me Manuel - but at least I raised the price you > had to pay! So THERE! ;-) > > John John, Do you have any ordering info for the Summerdaze disc? Label or catalog number would be great. No way any store around here will carry it without my special ordering... theo From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon May 5 08:59:00 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:59:00 +0200 Subject: BOC; Fu Manchu/Godzilla Message-ID: hi This may be old news for some of you but... Fu Manchu has now released a cover of "Godzilla", the group features two ex-Kyuss members (the rhythm-section) and the record company is "Mans Ruin". It's a 10" vinyl-only release and Kerrang just now gave it 4 out of 5. -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 5 09:22:14 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:22:14 EDT Subject: BOC; Fu Manchu/Godzilla Message-ID: >> From: Daniel Wikdahl > hi > > This may be old news for some of you but... > > Fu Manchu has now released a cover of "Godzilla", the group features two > ex-Kyuss members (the rhythm-section) and the record company is "Mans Ruin". > It's a 10" vinyl-only release and Kerrang just now gave it 4 out of 5. > > -Daniel Wikdahl > Speaking of Godzilla, does anyone know if BOC's song will be used for the upcoming remake of the sci-fi classic in any capacity? How much does anyone bet that BOC will get passed by for the big project? theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 5 14:51:13 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:51:13 GMT+0100 Subject: Sweden Message-ID: Tack to the boc-l-svenskar on the various help with my arrival in Stockholm! Flyget kommer till Arlanda omkring klockan 12.40 p? l?rdagen. Jag tror det tar kanske 45 minuter att ?ker med buss till Centralterminalen i Stockholm (men jag vet inte hur oft bussarna g?r). Men jag t?nker att komma d?r till slut! Mmmm ... I hope that was comprehensible! (At least to Swedes ;) Med v?nliga h?lsningar, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi L?ngstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 5 14:54:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:54:38 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC; Fu Manchu/Godzilla Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Fu Manchu has now released a cover of "Godzilla", the group features > two ex-Kyuss members (the rhythm-section) Oj! Does anyone one know if this Fu Manchu/Kyuss fusion is permament? Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon May 5 10:02:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:02:11 +0200 Subject: Sweden Message-ID: At 02:51 PM 5/5/97 GMT+0100, you wrote: > Tack to the boc-l-svenskar on the various help with my arrival in >Stockholm! > > Flyget kommer till Arlanda omkring klockan 12.40 p? l?rdagen. Jag >tror det tar kanske 45 minuter att ?ker med buss till Centralterminalen i >Stockholm (men jag vet inte hur oft bussarna g?r). Men jag t?nker att >komma d?r till slut! Bussarna g?r typ en g?ng i kvarten (?tminstone fr?n inrikes terminalen), s? det finns n?stan alltid en buss framk?rd att kliva p? n?r man kommer till flygplatsen. Resan tar som du sa ca 45 minuter. > > Mmmm ... I hope that was comprehensible! (At least to Swedes ;) Japp, det var det! > >Med v?nliga h?lsningar, >Carl > mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon May 5 10:09:40 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:09:40 +0200 Subject: BOC; Fu Manchu/Godzilla Message-ID: At 02:54 PM 5/5/97 GMT+0100, you wrote: >Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >> Fu Manchu has now released a cover of "Godzilla", the group features >> two ex-Kyuss members (the rhythm-section) > > Oj! Does anyone one know if this Fu Manchu/Kyuss fusion is permament? > >Cheers, >Carl > > Ja, I think so (it is the drummer and bassist from the "Blues for the red sun" era, one of them is called Brant Bj?rk... I can't remember the others name). And the last bassist (Scott Reeder) of Kyuss is now playing in a new band with one or two ex-Fu Manchu members(!) but I can't recall the name of this band either. -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 5 10:00:12 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 15:00:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert Tapes Message-ID: Does anyone have copies of the Harbour Publications tapes Calvert's readings of Centigrade 232 and The Earth Ritual that they would be prepared to copy for me. Since I think chances of getting a real copy are about nil and I would really like to hear them. Any help much appreciated - reply to my e-mail address Thanks David From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 5 11:04:02 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:04:02 +0800 Subject: HW: Calvert Tapes Message-ID: David Jones wrote: > > Does anyone have copies of the Harbour Publications tapes Calvert's > readings of Centigrade 232 and The Earth Ritual that they would be prepared > to copy for me. Since I think chances of getting a real copy are about nil > and I would really like to hear them. > > Any help much appreciated - reply to my e-mail address > Some of this material (maybe not all?) is on the Robert Calvert web page, which can be found via various links from other web pages. It is well worth a visit. William From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 5 11:19:23 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:19:23 -0700 Subject: HW For Sale Message-ID: Levitation. The one without Nuclear Toy. $9.30 includes shipping in the US, outside US may be different. dane dcarlson at onecolor.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 5 11:32:48 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:32:48 +0800 Subject: Recording details??? Message-ID: Hi there everyone Does anyone out there have any info on when some of the more obscure HW material was recorded. I am speaking of the ones that crop up on compilations and the Weird Tapes, such as Phone Home, Elliott, Douglas in the Jungle, Valium 10, and Where Are They Now? I am curious as to the recording sessions they are from? I have a feeling one or two are from the same period as Out and Intake (or is the In and Outake? I always mix that up, as well as Astounding Sounds). William From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon May 5 08:53:01 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:53:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: I've only been on this list a couple months, but I've seen surprisingly little commentary on Demon's Kiss or The Horsemen Arrive, the two new tracks BOC did for the Bad Channels soundtrack about five years ago. I thought Horsemen was an awesome tune, and Kiss wasn't too bad. How many people out there actually own the Bad Channels disc? Not that it's new stuff anymore, but if anyone out there who's waiting patiently for EW hasn't heard these tunes, I highly recommend them. Also, does anyone have any info on Sykotic Sinfoney (I think I spelled it right)? They contributed two really cool tunes to the soundtrack, but I've never been able to find anything else by them. On a slightly related note, there was some discussion about memoribilia that should be in any die-hard BOC fan's collection. How about this one: An official Cult Brothers T-shirt. Yes, I have one...bought it after a super gig at the now-defunct L.I.E. in Binghamton, New York many a year ago. Joe was an incredibly cool guy, and the original tunes he played should have ended up on disc somewhere, especially "A Hot Time in Hell". I vote for Joe as the most underrated and least appreciated past or present member of the band. --Nick From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 5 13:21:15 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:21:15 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed/Stone Age? Message-ID: > >JS>Well, I don't know for sure, but I've been hearing for at least a few >weeks that the release date for that CD was May 20th, so this isn't a >sudden change of plans. But, I think also that Eric mentioned that they >recently were still working the legal stuff for BOC's contributions. >I'm not trying to imply that BOC is holding up the CD, but obviously the contracts need to be signed before the CD comes out. Whether or not they are still working on legal stuff for the other artists I don't know." Reasonable explaination and more likely whats happening here. I'm sure everyone involved (bands) have different ownership licensing issues to deal with. The other possible explaination is the Curse of BOC on cd continues. Perhaps since they are trying to include something off EW the fates continue to conspire against them. I thinks its penance for Eric's flirtation with old scratch on 7 Screaming Dizbusters. 8>). Please note the smiley folks I'm only kidding. Saw some scenes from the movie the Stoned Age (?) or whatever. Loved all the BOC I saw on screen, especially the cutoff T&M shirt wore by that Kelly Bundy Clone. Is this the movie where Eric and Buck make a cameo at the end? There was some talk a long time ago about those two appearing at the end of a flick, thought it might be this one but I >wasn't compelling enough to sit through the whole thing. > >L8er > >lil' ab > >"One step closer to the promise land your mind's a liar again" > >ob cd - Masquerade - Surface of Pain From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 5 13:43:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:43:45 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. Message-ID: The CD is coming out on CMC International. Got the following from their Summerdaze webpage (http://www.cmcinternational.com/daze.html) Featuring New Studio Tracks and Live Recordings of Hits By: Steppenwolf, Blue Oyster Cult, Foghat, Pat Travers The Upcoming Album - In Stores May 20th! The National Tour - May-June 1997! Experience The History Of Rock N' Roll This Summer! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 5 13:45:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:45:52 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed/Stone Age? Message-ID: >Saw some scenes from the movie the Stoned Age (?) or whatever. Loved all the BOC I saw on screen, especially the cutoff T&M shirt wore by that Kelly Bundy Clone. Is this the movie where Eric and Buck make a cameo at the end? There was some talk a long time ago about those two appearing at the end of a flick, thought it might be this one but I >wasn't compelling enough to sit through the whole thing. Yep, the Eric/Buck cameo is after the credits roll. And yes, a T&M t-shirt never looked quite so good. :-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 5 13:54:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:54:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Nick: The lack of commentary on the Bad Channels tracks is due to the fact that they've been discussed already. Seeing that these tracks are now around 5 years old, it's not surprising there is little discussion here at this time on them. But, for the record, I own the CD (it is, in fact, one of the motivating forces for me about 3 years ago to finally decide to get a CD player as it wasn't available on any other media - how's THAT for a diehard BOC fan? :-) ), and think the tracks are pretty cool. Like most folks here, the lyrics are nothing to write home about (which is the general consensus of many of John Shirley's lyrics - witness "See You in Black"), but the music is pretty cool. I like the sound of both tracks, and all of Buck's instrumentation for the movie score is most interesting as well. Regarding the Cult Brothers material -- there is a movement afoot on AOL to pester Joe Bouchard into releasing the Cult Brothers stuff onto a CD, probably available from Cellsum Records (Albert's record label for the Brain Surgeons). The band did record their original compositions, so it may someday happen. Brain Surgeons guitarist Billy Hilfiger, also played for Cult Brothers, is very interested in seeing this happen. I'd post Joe's e-mail address, but don't know if he wants it publicized in such a fashion. Albert - could you ask him if that would be o.k.? Perhaps that way some more of his fans could pester him about this release. John From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Mon May 5 14:05:54 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:05:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Oh, die hard BOC fan here- I have Bad channelsCD and Vid also vid of Stoned Age, The Stand and crossing my fingers for BOC to do the new Godzilla soundtrack-where do we write to suggest ? I also have a dream that BOC will do a soundtrack for a Transformers movie. I recentley heard that a Cult Bros release would soon be available on Alberts label , Cellsum Records, if you get on the Brain Surgeons mailing list you'll hear about it when it is released. brizo From micci at SCI.FI Mon May 5 14:11:43 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:11:43 +0300 Subject: Recording details??? Message-ID: >Hi there everyone > >Does anyone out there have any info on when some of the more obscure HW >material was recorded. I am speaking of the ones that crop up on >compilations and the Weird Tapes, such as Phone Home, Elliott, Douglas >in the Jungle, Valium 10, and Where Are They Now? > >I am curious as to the recording sessions they are from? I have a >feeling one or two are from the same period as Out and Intake (or is the >In and Outake? I always mix that up, as well as Astounding Sounds). > >William > >Hi, Valium Ten was recorded in 1978 Rockfield Studios. Flicknife release that at 12" and 7" . Miikka From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon May 5 14:56:09 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:56:09 +0200 Subject: HW:Re: Recording details??? Message-ID: Hello William At 23:32 05.05.97 +0800, you wrote: >Does anyone out there have any info on when some of the more obscure HW >material was recorded. I am speaking of the ones that crop up on >compilations and the Weird Tapes, such as Phone Home, Elliott, Douglas >in the Jungle, Valium 10, and Where Are They Now? Phone Home Elliott is from 1982 Douglas in the Jungle is from late 1977 Valium 10 is from early 1978 Where Are they now is from 1972 (AFAIK) cu Bernhard From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon May 5 15:15:44 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:15:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Bainbridge interview available Message-ID: Subject says it all. http://www.hawkwind.com/i_view3.htm Damon From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 5 16:21:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:21:36 -0400 Subject: Sweden Message-ID: ip durat do comi huy winsyg gom pela du pata. quandish var mairin? zac gilk hoi poi lo! just thought i'd let ya know. rj ;) ---------- From: Daniel Wikdahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Sweden Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 10:02 AM At 02:51 PM 5/5/97 GMT+0100, you wrote: > Tack to the boc-l-svenskar on the various help with my arrival in >Stockholm! > > Flyget kommer till Arlanda omkring klockan 12.40 p? l?rdagen. Jag >tror det tar kanske 45 minuter att ?ker med buss till Centralterminalen i >Stockholm (men jag vet inte hur oft bussarna g?r). Men jag t?nker att >komma d?r till slut! Bussarna g?r typ en g?ng i kvarten (?tminstone fr?n inrikes terminalen), s? det finns n?stan alltid en buss framk?rd att kliva p? n?r man kommer till flygplatsen. Resan tar som du sa ca 45 minuter. > > Mmmm ... I hope that was comprehensible! (At least to Swedes ;) Japp, det var det! > >Med v?nliga h?lsningar, >Carl > mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 ---------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon May 5 18:42:13 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:42:13 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze Delayed. In-Reply-To: <199705051214.IAA06394@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 May 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Yeah, you did outbid me Manuel - but at least I raised the price you > had to pay! So THERE! ;-) > > John > Had to sacrafice two weeks worth of lattes for it. Glad to see you have a great sense of humor. Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 5 19:18:55 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:18:55 +0100 Subject: Recording details??? In-Reply-To: <336DFDA0.7917@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 May 1997, William Duffy wrote: > Does anyone out there have any info on when some of the more obscure HW > material was recorded. I am speaking of the ones that crop up on > compilations and the Weird Tapes, such as Phone Home, Elliott, Douglas > in the Jungle, Valium 10, and Where Are They Now? Found the thing over Easter, and so can tell you that `Valium 10' was recorded in 1978, I think October; personnel, Dave, Steve Swindells (keyboards), Harvey (bass), Mick Smith (drums. Who was this?). For the others I cannot speak. Yours, Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon May 5 20:10:55 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:10:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > > I've only been on this list a couple months, but I've seen > surprisingly little commentary on Demon's Kiss or The Horsemen > Arrive, the two new tracks BOC did for the Bad Channels soundtrack > about five years ago. I thought Horsemen was an awesome tune, and > Kiss wasn't too bad. How many people out there actually own the Bad > Channels disc? Not that it's new stuff anymore, but if anyone out > there who's waiting patiently for EW hasn't heard these tunes, I > highly recommend them. Also, does anyone have any info on Sykotic > Sinfoney (I think I spelled it right)? They contributed two really > cool tunes to the soundtrack, but I've never been able to find > anything else by them. > > On a slightly related note, there was some discussion about > memoribilia that should be in any die-hard BOC fan's collection. How > about this one: An official Cult Brothers T-shirt. Yes, I have > one...bought it after a super gig at the now-defunct L.I.E. in > Binghamton, New York many a year ago. Joe was an incredibly > cool guy, and the original tunes he played should have ended up on > disc somewhere, especially "A Hot Time in Hell". I vote for Joe as > the most underrated and least appreciated past or present member of > the band. > > --Nick I have the Bad Channels Disk - and the Cult Brother's T-Shirt. Shawn From Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM Tue May 6 03:53:45 1997 From: Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:53:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > > I've only been on this list a couple months, but I've seen > surprisingly little commentary on Demon's Kiss or The Horsemen > Arrive, the two new tracks BOC did for the Bad Channels soundtrack > about five years ago. I thought Horsemen was an awesome tune, and > Kiss wasn't too bad. How many people out there actually own the Bad > Channels disc? Not that it's new stuff anymore, but if anyone out > there who's waiting patiently for EW hasn't heard these tunes, I > highly recommend them. Also, does anyone have any info on Sykotic > Sinfoney (I think I spelled it right)? They contributed two really > cool tunes to the soundtrack, but I've never been able to find > anything else by them. > > On a slightly related note, there was some discussion about > memoribilia that should be in any die-hard BOC fan's collection. How > about this one: An official Cult Brothers T-shirt. Yes, I have > one...bought it after a super gig at the now-defunct L.I.E. in > Binghamton, New York many a year ago. Joe was an incredibly > cool guy, and the original tunes he played should have ended up on > disc somewhere, especially "A Hot Time in Hell". I vote for Joe as > the most underrated and least appreciated past or present member of > the band. > > --Nick I own the "Bad Channels" CD that I only managed to find in Ireland two month ago. And I keep listening to the "horsemen" in my car nearly every day since then... I would definitely place this one in my top 5 B?C songs ! Best regards, ____________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corp. Geneva Switzerland mailto:moriaud at mail.dec.com The future's as a fool's invention! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 6 04:27:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:27:43 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: <9705042126.aa23978@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 6 10:45:28 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:45:28 BST Subject: HW:Re: Recording details??? In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 5 May 1997 20:56:09 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Where Are they now is from 1972 (AFAIK) I'd be surprised by that. It sounds a lot more like the sort of stuff Brock was working on in the late 70's. I'd have put it at 1975 at the earliest. > Bernhard FoFP From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue May 6 06:41:37 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:37 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 In-Reply-To: <199705060924.KAA20202@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 May 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:27:43 +0100 > From: Jon Browne > Subject: Re: HW : London Gig In June!!! > > What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is > Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) Huw is playing with Hawkwind for this charity bash. Pleasure to be of assitance... (anyone going?) Maxine From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 6 09:05:41 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:05:41 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 May 1997, Maxine Wesley wrote: > Huw is playing with Hawkwind for this charity bash. > > Pleasure to be of assistance... (anyone going?) > > Maxine At a guess: Carl, me, Andy, Codex Mike, The Mike I Owe a Pint, Jill, yourself, Jon... the list goes on... Good news indeed. Where did you check this, and are there any more details? Yours, Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 6 09:50:09 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:50:09 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 May 1997 14:05:41 BST." Message-ID: > > Pleasure to be of assistance... (anyone going?) > > > > Maxine > > At a guess: Carl, me, Andy, Codex Mike, The Mike I Owe a Pint, > Jill, yourself, Jon... the list goes on... Good news indeed. Where did you > check this, and are there any more details? Yours, Yeah, I'll probably make it down too. Its been at least 2 months since I saw a gig in London and missed the last train home - practice make perfect :-) Tim ObCD: The Nefilim, _Zoon_ From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 6 11:37:07 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:37:07 -0600 Subject: Cult Brothers/Godzilla Message-ID: Man a Cult Brothers Disc would be great. Perhaps someone is right, we don't talk much about Joe and his contributions to BOC. As for "Zilla wasn't there a remake of this classic a few years ago? Don't think they used the song then probably won't use it now. Real shame BOC has a lot of made for movie music. >L8er > >lil' ab > >"One step closer to the promise land your mind's a liar again" > >obcd - Pink Floyd, Animals From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 6 10:08:57 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:08:57 +0100 Subject: HW In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970503223859.006a1590@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.32.19970503223859.006a1590 at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >Jerry Richards is HAWKWIND's new guitarrist. > >He played with the band a few times during 1995/1996 > >After Alan has left the band, Ron Tree plays bass, Dave Brock plays guitar >and keyboards and Richard Chadwick plays drums God, I am really behind the times. Does anyone know what Richards' guitar style is like? Is he an axe noodling maniac or melodius such as the sorely missed Hugh? -- Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 6 10:04:54 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:04:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Acid Daze, Finsbury Park, London Message-ID: Anyone remember this gig? It really was a major mindfuck and when Lemmy appeared for that roaring version of Urban Guerilla, I totally lost it. Anyway, two questions: 1. Can someone remind me the exact date please (it was 86 or 87). 2. Do any tapes of the gig exist. Please say "yes" someone 'cos I desperately want a tape of this gig. Any help here gratefully received. -- Mark Edmonds From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 6 11:58:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:58:32 EDT Subject: Cult Brothers/Godzilla Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Man a Cult Brothers Disc would be great. Perhaps someone is right, we > don't talk much about Joe and his contributions to BOC. As for "Zilla Joe is indeed a triple threat: Bassist, Vocalist and songwriter. Another reason 3OC is only a shadow of the old group. Even though Danny's a great musician and a fine singer, he doesn't impress me as being fully invested in the band. Same with John on drums. This is at the root of 3OC's problems: BOC had four excellent singers and composers [well 4 singers, 3.5 composers] and now they have 1.5 singers and 1 writer. Did Danny have a hand in any of the material on EW, John? > wasn't there a remake of this classic a few years ago? Don't think they > used the song then probably won't use it now. Real shame BOC has a lot > of made for movie music. > I was referring to a major studio update of Godzilla that's already in the works. It's supposed to be a huge production. I'll tell ya right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see it no matter how good it is... theo > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 6 12:37:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:37:27 -0400 Subject: Cult Brothers/Godzilla Message-ID: > Did Danny have a hand in any of the material on EW, John? I'm not sure, but my suspicion is little, if any. However, I've heard (I think in an interview w/Danny in Morning Final) that he has written a bunch of things over the years, so we may get some contributions from him at some point. >Joe is indeed a triple threat: Bassist, Vocalist and songwriter. Don't forget guitarists and keyboardist besides . . . John From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 6 10:01:48 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:01:48 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is >Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) >-- >Jon Browne Yeah, exactly the thought going through my mind. God, I am going positively weak in the knees at the thought of hearing Moonglum, Motorway City, Rocky Paths et all with Hugh on the lead. -- Mark Edmonds From chip at PCC.COM Tue May 6 13:00:00 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:00:00 -0400 Subject: Cult Brothers/Godzilla In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at May 6, 97 09:37:07 am Message-ID: > As for "Zilla > wasn't there a remake of this classic a few years ago? They've been ramaking them for years over in Japan. It's a HUGE and fascinating story. But I'll spare you. An *American* version of the movie is in the works (Jennifer Aniston is in it, no less). -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 6 18:15:32 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:15:32 BST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Tue, 6 May 1997 11:41:37 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > On Tue, 6 May 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:27:43 +0100 > > From: Jon Browne > > Subject: Re: HW : London Gig In June!!! > > > > What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is > > Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) > > > Huw is playing with Hawkwind for this charity bash. > > Pleasure to be of assitance... (anyone going?) Excellent news. Yup, I intend to be there. I'm writing for my ticket even now! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 6 10:33:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:33:08 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Maxine Wesley writes >On Tue, 6 May 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:27:43 +0100 >> From: Jon Browne >> Subject: Re: HW : London Gig In June!!! >> >> What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is >> Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) > > >Huw is playing with Hawkwind for this charity bash. Whoooo-hoo! > >Pleasure to be of assitance... (anyone going?) > >Maxine Oh, I can't just make up my mind....let me just just check the TV Guide......oh why not? Hey, do you think we'll get some HLL tunes like Rocky Paths or Dragons And Fables? -- Jon Browne From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue May 6 13:38:47 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:38:47 +0100 Subject: 1985 Concer Vdieo diffierences Message-ID: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L William wrote: >I recall reading something about a difference between the original mail >order version and the retail version of Black Sword. > >Wouldn't it be great if they released the entire show, as it must have >been filmed in its entirety!!! > >William I read in record collect feature on hawkind (1992 sometime) that a 100 copies of the hawkwind video had been sold via a mialing list and brookes wasn't happy with it so he reedited it. tkaing aobut 2mins off or something so Iwondered if my copy of the one worth L30 or the one worth L20. There is also a video out from visonary featuring 4 extra tracks from the encore. I wondered if this included the extra edited material from the mailing list issued version since the mailing lsit was to my knowlege only 2 or 3mins longer than the gneral realise one so couldn't have included the encore. May be it did Timothy Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com ---------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/index.html Status quo: http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/quo1.html --------------------------------------------- "It is their (pause) jet it is not" (M. Moorcock on Space) ----------------------------------------------------------- 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM Oxygen 107.9 - A CONTINUING SUCESS STORY CONTINUES, NO SURPRISES THERE! 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM TALK RADIO (1053/1089AM) - Free call 0500 105389. From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue May 6 16:01:51 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:01:51 +0200 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: >I was referring to a major studio update of Godzilla that's already >in the works. It's supposed to be a huge production. Yeah. I think it's Roland Emmerich who's directing this (the guy who made Stargate and ID4). >I'll tell ya >right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see >it no matter how good it is... >theo Isn't that a bit extremist of you, Theo ? I think you're overreacting. :-o The guys who are involved in this remake may never even have heard of BOC... and even if they have, it could be they don't actually like the song, or whatever. Of course, I'd like it to be in there too, but I'm not gonna refuse seeing the movie just because "Godzilla" isn't in it... let's be reasonable about this ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue May 6 16:06:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:06:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Acid Daze, Finsbury Park, London Message-ID: Mark said: >Anyone remember this gig? It really was a major mindfuck and when Lemmy >appeared for that roaring version of Urban Guerilla, I totally lost it. > >Anyway, two questions: > >1. Can someone remind me the exact date please (it was 86 or 87). >2. Do any tapes of the gig exist. Please say "yes" someone 'cos I >desperately want a tape of this gig. Any help here gratefully received. It was 1987 sometime in april (I think but someone wil hav the exact date of this gig. I brought a tape of this gig but it cuts out during assains of Allaha. Obviously who ever got this copy to sell didn't want to inclkude the whole event because I have seen the tape lsited on teh set listings for bootlegs on the boc/h dicuesion list web site. It seems the best part of the gig was cut off my tape! Still got a good version of lost cronicals on it and some other good sonsg like the intro angles of death (very much like the one I have from 1990 september tour) Timothy Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com ---------------------- http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/index.html Status quo: http://members.tripod.com/~timlang/quo1.html --------------------------------------------- "It is their (pause) jet it is not" (M. Moorcock on Space) ----------------------------------------------------------- 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM Oxygen 107.9 - A CONTINUING SUCESS STORY CONTINUES, NO SURPRISES THERE! 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM 107.9 FM TALK RADIO (1053/1089AM) - Free call 0500 105389. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue May 6 16:11:10 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:11:10 +0200 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hello Mark At 15:08 06.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >God, I am really behind the times. Does anyone know what Richards' >guitar style is like? Is he an axe noodling maniac or melodius such as >the sorely missed Hugh? He stands between Dave and Hugh He plays the guitar not so fast like Huw but the style seems to be similar And his playing style has a spacey touch IMHO like Dave plays the guitar You can hear these on the tapes from Rotterdam and Athens very good, especially during LOVE IN SPACE Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue May 6 16:11:11 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:11:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Acid Daze, Finsbury Park, London Message-ID: Hi again Mark At 15:04 06.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >Anyway, two questions: > >1. Can someone remind me the exact date please (it was 86 or 87). It was on 23.08.1987 >2. Do any tapes of the gig exist. I've got the complete tape (85 minutes) and a 70 minutes video (unfortunately very dark) Here is the track listing: 23.08.87, FINSBURY PARK, ACID DAZE, 85/9 intro / angels of death / assault & battery / lost chronicles / needle gun / rocky paths / waiting for tomorrow / master of the universe / shade gate / dragons and fables / arrival in utopia / moonglum / brainstorm / dream worker / brainstorm / hassan i sahba / urban guerilla / silver machine Bernhard From torgo at NORWICH.NET Tue May 6 16:35:01 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:35:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sykotik Sinfoney Message-ID: Hey kids!!! >Also, does anyone have any info on Sykotic >Sinfoney (I think I spelled it right)? They contributed two really >cool tunes to the soundtrack, but I've never been able to find >anything else by them. You took the words right out of my mouth. When I first got the BC CD I really hated the Sykotik Sinfoney stuff. Just flat out hated it. The more I listened to the CD (which is a nice mix of good and mediocre/forgetable), the more I really got into the 2 SS tunes, and now they are easily my faves on the album. A friend of mine recently turned me on to Galactic Cowboys (Hey lil AB), and the first thing I thought was that they came close to Sinfoney's wonkiness and overall unique sound, but SS is just too weird (and cool) for words. I have searched the net and elsewhere for more SS, alas I always come up empty handed. If anyone out there ever gets any leads on these guys, please let me know!!!! Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ************************************************** "Live for the present, its the only one we have, nobody gets out of here alive. Life in the future might never come to pass, you know, Good Times Are Now." *************************************************** From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 6 16:56:02 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:56:02 -0700 Subject: HW New band Message-ID: I see them leaving the heavy midi/ambient/synth period. When it was Dave and Alan, they had everything setup, pretty full sound. With Alan gone, you lose his bass playing (quite good) and his keyboards/midi. I think we're going to get a rougher more aggressive Hawkwind. Does Jerry play Keyboards? Ron is from a "punk" type band, Jerry a "Hawkwind/Festival" style band. I imagine Dave can cover keyboards and guitar with Jerry playing the "lead" guitar role, Ron thrashing away on the bass, and Richard keeping it all together. I am very curious to see what comes of this. Hawkwind has always changed every few years, and I think the times are changin' again. A return to a more vintage style of HawkRock. Time to let your Freak Flag Fly! Of course, I could be wrong... BTW Is it Jerry or Gerry? Dane NP: Retropolis - The Flower Kings From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue May 6 18:06:38 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:06:38 -0500 Subject: Golden Void updates Message-ID: I have updated the Golden Void page. First, I added a "What's New" link on the main page which lists what has been changed, the date of the change, and the index page that points to the changed page. The changes are organized by date with the most recent at the top. I added a page of miscellaneous information that I don't know where else to put. I updated the information on instruments for Ron Tree and Jerry Richards, updated the family table for 1997, and reorganized and updated the timeline to add a lot more release information (albums, videos, etc.). As always, let me know if there are any mistakes. Golden Void: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ Thanks, Frank ObCD: Art of Noise, "Re-Works of Art of Noise" -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Calling Emacs a text editor is like calling UNIX a C compiler. From BrizoCult at AOL.COM Tue May 6 19:12:38 1997 From: BrizoCult at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:12:38 -0400 Subject: Sign up and off Message-ID: Hi, Can someone please remind me where subscription info for this list is again..I want to unsubscribe this name and sign up under another account name. I think someone infiltrated my account here. Thanks, soon to Brizo777 Teri From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 6 19:29:49 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:29:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Galactic Cowboys and Friends (was: OFF: Sykotik Sinfoney) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970506163501.007005ec@norwich.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 May 1997, Torgo wrote: > A friend of mine recently turned me on to Galactic Cowboys (Hey lil AB), > and the first thing I thought was that they came close to Sinfoney's > wonkiness and overall unique sound, but SS is just too weird (and cool) for > words. Hey... Speaking of the Galactic Cowboys, I not only recommend that everybody buys their albums, but also that everyone buys Tellus' album, _Standby_. Why? 1) The music is awesome; 2) 'Cause they're my friends. :-) Actually, and I think I've mentioned this before, Tellus' album was produced by Alan Doss, the drummer for the Galactic Cowboys. I must also point out that my enjoyment of _Standby_ is completely independent of my friendship with the members, though the shameless plug that you're reading at this moment is not. :-) At any rate, Tellus has a web page here: ----- http://www.onramp.net/tellus/ ----- They have soundbytes as well as an address to send orders. And, if there is a big enough demand, I'll order them for the members of BOC-L in one big order! Damon P.S.: Tellus plans to record their second album sometime this fall. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue May 6 21:16:52 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:16:52 -0400 Subject: tBS in Albany Message-ID: An Albany fan's notes: Subj: Albany Show Date: 05 May 1997 15:56:58 EDT From: BLUEOYSTER Message-ID: <19970505195600.PAA26496 at ladder01.news.aol.com> tBS kicked ass last night [actually early this morning] ! Great heavy guitar sound,especially when Deb strapped on her red Fender.Hearing "Cities On Flame" live with the REAL vocal for the 1st time in 16 years was a total rush! I'm still on a music high from the show and probably will be for a while.Excellent,tight vocals from Deb and Al all night.Billy and Pete were great on guitars ,David held his own on bass,and of course my favorite drummer of all time was Amazing! It was alot fun talking to tBS before and after the show.Thanks for the incredible time! Duane and Mary It was a great club, a special night. All agreed it was one of our best shows! theo, ya shoulda been there! Al From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed May 7 03:24:02 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:24:02 +0100 Subject: HW HLL London Message-ID: Booking the ticket today!!!! Does anyone know this venue, I have never heard of it before. Mike P ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 06 May 1997 19:15 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997 Maxine Wesley writes: > On Tue, 6 May 1997, Automatic digest processor wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:27:43 +0100 > > From: Jon Browne > > Subject: Re: HW : London Gig In June!!! > > > > What I'd like to know is The Huw Lloyd Langton band playing (good) or is > > Huwy guesting *with* the band? (great) > > > Huw is playing with Hawkwind for this charity bash. > > Pleasure to be of assitance... (anyone going?) Excellent news. Yup, I intend to be there. I'm writing for my ticket even now! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed May 7 04:23:51 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:23:51 UT Subject: HW: HLL London Message-ID: >Does anyone know this venue, I have never heard of it before. It's actually not that far from my place, but I've never been there - they often have jazz and suchlike, which isn't usually my bag. When you get your ticket, tell me, is it for a numbered seat or not? Don't think I could face it if it's seated. - Andy ObCD: yep, it's *still* The New Christs - _Lower Yourself_! Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed May 7 06:03:49 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:03:49 +0100 Subject: HW : London Gig In June!!! Message-ID: Ticket booked (yes yes yes!!) , booking office confirms no seating, gig starts at 8:00pm Most excellent Mike P. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 7 07:43:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:43:58 EDT Subject: tBS in Albany Message-ID: > From: Albert T Bouchard > tBS kicked ass last night [actually early this morning] ! Great heavy guitar > sound,especially when Deb strapped on her red Fender.Hearing "Cities On > Flame" live with the REAL vocal for the 1st time in 16 years was a total > rush! I'm still on a music high from the show and probably will be for a > while.Excellent,tight vocals from Deb and Al all night.Billy and Pete were > great on guitars ,David held his own on bass,and of course my favorite > drummer > of all time was Amazing! It was alot fun talking to tBS before and after the > show.Thanks for the incredible time! > Duane and Mary > > > > > It was a great club, a special night. All agreed it was one of our best shows! > theo, ya shoulda been there! > Al Will ya settle for Toronto? 'Cause we'll be there! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 7 08:09:04 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:09:04 EDT Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > > >I'll tell ya > >right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see > >it no matter how good it is... > >theo > > Isn't that a bit extremist of you, Theo ? I think you're overreacting. :-o > The guys who are involved in this remake may never even have heard > of BOC... and even if they have, it could be they don't actually like the > song, or whatever. Of course, I'd like it to be in there too, but I'm not > gonna refuse seeing the movie just because "Godzilla" isn't in it... let's > be reasonable about this ;-) > > > > Alex S. Garcia. > Well, really, extreme for me would have been an outpouring of profane, inflammatory, Religion and Rush-bashing! Seriously, I'm not a huge fan of the original run of Godzilla flicks, though I loved the first one. Not so sure I'd see it even if BOC's song DID appear in it! I take that back. If the BOC song appears, I'll go. And I'd think that SOMEBODY involved in the production must have heard of BOC. I wasn't suggesting that BOC do the soundtrack [though that would be my highest spiritual plane] but maybe let Godzilla play during the end credits or something, or maybe have it blast out of a car radio before it gets crushed, or, well, you get the idea... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 7 08:27:04 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:27:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: >Well, really, extreme for me would have been an outpouring of >profane, inflammatory, Religion and Rush-bashing! And if the movie soundtrack were by Rush? Seriously, I'm not >a huge fan of the original run of Godzilla flicks, though I loved the >first one. Not so sure I'd see it even if BOC's song DID appear in >it! I take that back. If the BOC song appears, I'll go. And I'd >think that SOMEBODY involved in the production must have heard of >BOC. I wasn't suggesting that BOC do the soundtrack [though that >would be my highest spiritual plane] but maybe let Godzilla play >during the end credits or something, or maybe have it blast out of a >car radio before it gets crushed, or, well, you get the idea... Yeah, I hope so. But seeing as the band didn't even seem aware until after the fact that Reaper was being used for Scream and Frighteners, I don't know if there will be any evidence until it comes out. To be really appropriate, the band would have to have a minor cameo somewhere. Here's some suggetions: Buck could have a scene where he's trying to think of something to write a song about, then sees Godzilla from his window trashing downtown and he gets an inspiraion. Allen could have a bit scene where he vows to quit smoking and gets stepped on by Godzilla. Eric could play a scientist trying to shoot Godzilla with an experimental wrist-mounted laser. And of course at the very end Godzilla takes his mask off and it's Albert. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed May 7 09:01:34 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:01:34 -0600 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: Theo>I was referring to a major studio update of Godzilla that's already in the works. It's supposed to be a huge production. I'll tell ya right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see it no matter how good it is..." Howls guy. I understand that people are discussing the new movie but If I recall there was an American (?) remake of Godzilla a couple of years back. Don't think it did well at box office. Now if the makers of this new Godzilla are looking to score on a serious movie I think they have two problems. 1) Godzilla started as a serious Sci-Fi but morphed quickly into some serious comedy, don't know if it was intentional but it did 2) wouldn't the song itself take away from the serious intent? I always looked at the song as a spoof of the big dino and all movies of that ilk. One other thing Theo, complete agreement on Joe. The most low profile of all the original members in my mind but as important as anybody. I like Danny's playing and this singing. If BOC really wants to continue they should let Danny do more if he's capable; I think he is. Now is this a conspiracy or what? Torgo, Damon, you guys cannot drop the name GC around me without me going beserk. I LOVE THIS BAND. The Cowboys rock as hard as anybody and their sense of humor is second to none. I know there are some GC fans on this list and some of you guys even show up on the King's X list, where the Cowboys are often discussed. I think some of the folks here in BOC land would really like them, not all but some would. (He he he, wonder if Theo's band could do a reasonable cover of Psychotic Companion.) Anyway if you like quirkiness in your music (tBS has a lot of that) and you like your music at ear shattering levels by all means go out and get GC's Machine Fish. I'll give Tellus a try Damon, especially since Alan is involved, he''s great on the production end. Now the biggest mystery I have to solve is Alan related in anyway to Ginger Doss, keyboardist for Velvet Hammer? I asked her the last time I saw her but she would never answer, only smiled. Do you know? L8er lil' ab "Try not to laugh But I foresee some danger in your psychopath No mental blocks But I will charge you every minute that we talk Hooked into an IV right to Mr. Spivey Cosmic Operator standing by Won't you be my friend,Psychotic Companion?" obcd - Galactic Cowboys, Machine Fish From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed May 7 10:39:09 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:39:09 +1000 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: At 08:09 AM 7/05/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: >> From: "Alex S. Garcia" > >> >> >I'll tell ya >> >right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see >> >it no matter how good it is... >> >theo >> >> Isn't that a bit extremist of you, Theo ? I think you're overreacting. :-o >> The guys who are involved in this remake may never even have heard >> of BOC... and even if they have, it could be they don't actually like the >> song, or whatever. Of course, I'd like it to be in there too, but I'm not >> gonna refuse seeing the movie just because "Godzilla" isn't in it... let's >> be reasonable about this ;-) >> >> >> >> Alex S. Garcia. >> >Well, really, extreme for me would have been an outpouring of >profane, inflammatory, Religion and Rush-bashing! Seriously, I'm not >a huge fan of the original run of Godzilla flicks, though I loved the >first one. Not so sure I'd see it even if BOC's song DID appear in >it! I take that back. If the BOC song appears, I'll go. And I'd >think that SOMEBODY involved in the production must have heard of >BOC. I wasn't suggesting that BOC do the soundtrack [though that >would be my highest spiritual plane] but maybe let Godzilla play >during the end credits or something, or maybe have it blast out of a >car radio before it gets crushed, or, well, you get the idea... >theo > "OH-NO!! - I think I'll have to go, go,go GODZILLA!!" `Zilla movies were always fun, even before BOC did the riffola from hell. (I wanted a plastic Godzilla toy for X-mas but I didn't get one. I have been good all year this time.) Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed May 7 10:11:41 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:11:41 +0100 Subject: HLL & HW In-Reply-To: <199705071039.LAA14136@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: tIM SED: > Yeah, I'll probably make it down too. Its been at least 2 months since I saw > a gig in London and missed the last train home - practice make perfect :-) It'll be my first time at that one. I've just become a Soft Southern Jessie by moving down to Portsmouth (starting June 2nd) - I won't have internet access for this next period (May 9th - June 9th) which is a bit of a **** but if someone who is definatly going can give me their phone number so I can find out where the 'meet' is then I'D LOVE TO GO ALONG. mARK SED: > Yeah, exactly the thought going through my mind. God, I am going > positively weak in the knees at the thought of hearing Moonglum, > Motorway City, Rocky Paths et all with Hugh on the lead. Sfunny but HLL played all this stuff on his solo tour and in a way I would have been happier to hear him with the HLL Group again (coz they Blanga) ..and then moving the evening onto Hawkwind as they are now. But what the hell it's novel.! Maxine From micci at SCI.FI Wed May 7 10:22:54 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:22:54 +0300 Subject: hw Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know why Alan left? Miikka From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 7 08:49:00 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:49:00 +0100 Subject: HW: No news for some time In-Reply-To: <336C3AF0.B6A@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <336C3AF0.B6A at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >> > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? >> >> that leaves Kieth Hayle, credited with keyboards and vocals. >> rj > >I believe it is Keith Hayle >Brain Cripes! I always thought that was Dave (singing in a smooth Zarozinia style)! Oh well... next question: when was this recorded? I don`t know when Keith was in the group but made a rough guess having listened to the drumming that it might have been Ginger Baker so that dates it to 79/80 ish. Here's hoping I haven`t made another goofy assumption about this song... Mark Edmonds From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 10:21:16 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:21:16 -0700 Subject: OFF US vs. UK audiences Message-ID: >Andy writ: Don't think I could face it if it's seated. This struck me as classic. Over here it's the other way around generally. I admit I used to like general admission, standing shows, but later as I got older, seating was prefered. My feet hurt man! When IQ played San Jose they were like, what's with these people they're all sitting down. Get up, dance, whatever. No shouts of "Get on with it!". Some goes for Swedish band Landberk, they smoked at Progfest 95, and were shocked that everyone was sitting. The keyboard player even said,"This isn't a fucking movie, stand up." Of couse at Progfest, no way you're gonna stand for 6-8 hours, but Landberk was kicking holy butt and were all grooving in our seats. The main advantage to standing is you can get position relativly easy, with seats you are SOL. I know some clubs here are now altering depending on the band. Gong played a seated venue and they pulled the tables and chairs out. But we used to have many clubs with drink minimums and you can keep track of drink consumption in a table environment very easy. Where the hell am I going with all this, any opinions, Stand or sit? Dane NP: third and the mortal - painting on glass From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 7 08:54:51 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:54:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Where is Tim Blake? Message-ID: What is Tim Blake up to these days? As far as I know, I have both his solo albums Crystal Machine and New Jerusalem but has he released any more work? Mark Edmonds From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 10:57:59 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:57:59 -0700 Subject: hw Message-ID: Miikka> Does anyone know why Alan left? He's doing his own thing. After a solo record, Captured Rotation, Alan decided to go out on his own, with Bedouin. He's still in the family, and the doors are open I imagine, but for now he's got a brand new bag. My only comment is Danny thompson on Drums? Dane NP: -Pause- From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 11:02:17 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:02:17 -0700 Subject: HW- Where is Tim Blake? Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writ> What is Tim Blake up to these days? As far as I know, I have both his solo albums Crystal Machine and New Jerusalem but has he released any more work? A few years back he released Magick IMO a very weak album. Mostly Blake style pop, not even a glimmer of New Jerusalem (his best IMO). And that is it as far as I know. He did tour with the Gong band two years ago for their reunion, but didn't come to the states. Dane NP: third and the mortal - painting on glass From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 11:03:38 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:03:38 -0700 Subject: HW- No news for some ti Message-ID: > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? I say Dave sings this. Dane From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed May 7 11:10:03 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:10:03 UT Subject: OFF: US vs. UK audiences Message-ID: >>Andy writ: Don't think I could face it if it's seated. > >This struck me as classic. Ha! If your feet hurt, get new shoes! :) Last time I sat at a gig was when I could only get circle tickets for the Ramones - and it was fun, OK, but the MOSH FROM HELL was going on downstairs, and it would have been nice to have at least been on the fringes! Yep, I'm hard me, I stand at gigs and I don't wear earplugs! :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 7 16:20:07 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:20:07 BST Subject: HW: Where is Tim Blake? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 7 May 1997 13:54:51 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > What is Tim Blake up to these days? As far as I know, I have both his > solo albums Crystal Machine and New Jerusalem but has he released any > more work? There was the fairly abysmal "Majick" and a video (on Voiceprint) of his US tour a few years back. There are rumours of a new album soon though. > Mark Edmonds FoFP From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 7 07:24:07 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:24:07 +0000 Subject: Cult Brothers/Godzilla Message-ID: >> As for "Zilla >>wasn't there a remake of this classic a few years ago? > They've been ramaking them for years over in Japan. It's a > HUGE and fascinating story. But I'll spare you. Not to get too far off the subject, but I think the movie referred to above is Godzilla 1985. To set the record straight, it was NOT an American Godzilla movie. In fact, until now, there never has been an American Godzilla movie. Confusion was probably caused by Raymond Burr's appearance in G-'85. However, like all those other Japanese monster flicks, the footage of American actors was shot IN America, exclusively for the U.S. release. The movies, as made in Japan, did not star Raymond Burr or any other occidental actors/actresses. Ditto for Russ Tamblyn in War of the Gargantuas! : ) One last note for today...I'm glad I could stir up some discussion about Joe...and I'm pleased so many people have positive things to say about him. During our brief meeting, I thought he was a great guy. Hey Al, please tell him thanks for the autograph! And by the way, Al...yours is the only John Hancock I'm missin'! --Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 7 11:49:18 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:49:18 -0400 Subject: HW- No news for some ti Message-ID: Dane says... >> My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > >I say Dave sings this. Huh??? I always assumed that the guy who wrote it (was it Keith Hayle?) sang this one...don't believe it's Brock at least. BTW, the last time I saw Dan Diefer perform (the acoustic guitarist/vocalist seen either solo or with the Sun Machine in Cleveland), he did a cover version of this (I think it was opening for Gong). That really took me by surprise, but I thought it went over rather well...it's not a bad song actually, and one of the few originals on Zones. Keith H. (FAA) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 7 11:47:21 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:47:21 +0800 Subject: HW- No news for some ti Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > > I say Dave sings this. > It's definitely Keith Hayle. It's not distinctive like Dave's voice is. The voice is not powerful enough. William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed May 7 11:22:30 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:22:30 UT Subject: HW: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) Message-ID: >Cripes! I always thought that was Dave (singing in a smooth Zarozinia >style)! Oh well... next question: when was this recorded? I don`t know >when Keith was in the group but made a rough guess having listened to >the drumming that it might have been Ginger Baker so that dates it to >79/80 ish. Here's hoping I haven`t made another goofy assumption about >this song... Yep, it was the Levitation tour, but after Tim Blake had been told to _foutre le camp_ and Keith Hale (no "y") was drafted in as a replacement. He got to do one of his own songs - how many bands would be so accommodating to a "hired hand"? - even though it was a bit out of place in a Hawkwind set. (But then so was the drum solo that tour :) He also wrote Toyah (Mrs Fripp)'s _It's a Mystery_, if memory serves. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 7 17:02:07 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:02:07 BST Subject: HW- No news for some ti In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Wed, 7 May 1997 08:03:38 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > > I say Dave sings this. It's definitely Keith Hayle singing. FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 7 12:05:47 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:05:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: US vs. UK audiences Message-ID: Andy replies... >>>Andy writ: Don't think I could face it if it's seated. >> >>This struck me as classic. > >Ha! If your feet hurt, get new shoes! :) Last time I sat at a gig was when I >could only get circle tickets for the Ramones - and it was fun, OK, but the >MOSH FROM HELL was going on downstairs, and it would have been nice to have at >least been on the fringes! Yep, I'm hard me, I stand at gigs and I don't wear >earplugs! :) Dunno what circle tickets are, but in principle I'm on Andy's side. I prefer the small open clubs and theatres where you can go where you like and choose to sit or stand; I normally stand. I often travel to shows solo, so I'm on my own (although I sometimes see folks I know, some of whom are on this list...Hi Chris R.), and like to move around from side to side, seeing the show from different vantage points, as well as feeling more "mobile" and into the music. For big stage shows, though, like Floyd or Queensryche, I don't mind sitting in one spot the whole time (as long as it's a good one), as the stage is so large and elevated. My main problem with these shows (at least here), is the horrific cost of not just the tix, but then the parking, Ticketbastard fees, and merchandise & refreshments (which I usually don't bother with). As far as moshing goes, I doesn't bother me as long as I'm not in the middle of it. I just try and keep away from the main action, and put it out of my mind. It seems completely pointless, but apparently that's what they want to do. I also never wear earplugs (I tried them once at a Marillion concert when I had an ear infection, but I couldn't stand it and took them out immediately.) My left ear is a little sensitive (I've never heard my right ear ring, because my left ear's ringing will always drown it out if it comes to that), but only at Motorhead shows do I sometimes worry. :) That's another reason why I like to move around during a show...I prefer to stand on the stage left, so that my right ear is towards the stacks. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. My feet don't get sore, but sometimes my back does...I don't let that bother me though. Obtrack: Dagobert Duck's 100th birthday-Guru Guru From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 12:20:50 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:20:50 -0700 Subject: HW- No news for some ti Message-ID: > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > > I say Dave sings this. > >>It's definitely Keith Hayle. Well you could have fooled me, I never even considered it as anyone other than Brock. I think DV is a really great song BTW, the only thing off Zones I have heard in years. Keith Hayle. Guys sounds alot like Dave... Dane NP: It Will All Work Out in Boomland - T2 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 12:27:55 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:27:55 -0700 Subject: OFF- US vs. UK audience Message-ID: Andy writ: > OK, but the MOSH FROM HELL was going on downstairs, and it would have >been nice to have at least been on the fringes! ah, therin lies the key. I pretty much avoid that activity and I can't say I have even seen a mosh pit before. when I saw the first US tour of the Clash I had 3rd row seats, though the seating situation didn't last long of course. But this whole Mosh Pit thing came after me I guess. As for seating/standing I think it depends on the band obviously, and the audience. Dane From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 7 18:02:28 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:02:28 BST Subject: HW at Bridington Message-ID: This is wonderful! The East coast summer holiday of my youff. The whole family would troup down to the beach. We'd rent a beach hut for two weeks and sit on the promenade in deckchairs eating icecream cones gazing out at the sailing boats taking part in the Regatta while the sun gleamed on the sea, the sea mist hovered offshore, the smell of fried fish wafted past in the humid air, the sound of England losing at cricket competed with the background noise of the Entertainment Arcade nearby and the British beach culture slumbered and baked gently in the sunshine. And Hawkwind are playing there! This I must see. This is NECESSARY. And have tea beforehand in the lounge at the Expanse Hotel. oh memories 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From micci at SCI.FI Wed May 7 13:13:53 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:13:53 +0300 Subject: hw Message-ID: Hi, Is there anybody who want to sell or trade HW stuff. I like get hold some HW bootlegs and live tapes. Please, contact my e- mail address. Miikka From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed May 7 13:36:35 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:36:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Standing vs. Sitting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 May 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > Where the hell am I going with all this, any opinions, Stand or sit? I'm definitely a sit-man. Why? Because I like to SEE the show... occasionally SEE the musicians. Anytime I've ever been to a stand-show (mostly clubs downtown), about 65% of my field of vision is the backs of people's heads, and -maybe- I get to see about 40-50% of the light show. The ORB show I went to two weeks ago would have been awesome if 1) the place had air-conditioning, 2) I could see the stage, 3) they didn't try to cram 1500 people into 1600 square feet (~145 sq.meters?). My $20 ticket (plus $5 ticketbastard charge) was worth about $5 at that concert simply because of the surroundings. It could have been worth so much more. Besides, seating gives equal-opportunity viewing for short people. Damon From gotgn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed May 7 13:56:06 1997 From: gotgn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:56:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold suggested: > To be really appropriate, the band would have to have a minor cameo > somewhere. > > Here's some suggetions: > ... Just as EW has finally been pressed and CDs are leaving the plant, the delivery trucks and factory are turned to ashes by Zilla-God's flaming breath ... -- Tim From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 7 14:16:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:16:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Godzilla/heresy Message-ID: > From: "Timothy G. Northrup" > Andrew A. Apold suggested: > > To be really appropriate, the band would have to have a minor cameo > > somewhere. > > > > Here's some suggetions: > > ... > > Just as EW has finally been pressed and CDs are leaving the plant, the deliver y > trucks and factory are turned to ashes by Zilla-God's flaming breath ... > > -- Tim Tim, you are one mean dude! Sure you're not EB in disguise? theo From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 7 14:29:14 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:29:14 -0700 Subject: OFF- Standing vs. Sittin Message-ID: Damon writ> Because I like to SEE the show... occasionally SEE the musicians. Besides, seating gives equal-opportunity viewing for short people. Ah bingo. Damon has brought up another issue. I am in that group, and standing concerts adhere to the law of inverted proportion. Dane NP: Vangelis - Mask From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 7 14:41:03 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:41:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) Message-ID: Andy said: >Yep, it was the Levitation tour, but after Tim Blake had been told to _foutre >le camp_ and Keith Hale (no "y") was drafted in as a replacement. He got to >do one of his own songs - how many bands would be so accommodating to a >"hired hand"? - even though it was a bit out of place in a Hawkwind set. >(But then so was the drum solo that tour :) I didn't think the song was out of palce. It still sounded like hawkwind at that time. And I really liked it but the drum solo was different. But it ended and there was one of those great hawkwind ntros as they went back to end brainstorm. Andy said: >He also wrote Toyah (Mrs Fripp)'s _It's a Mystery_, if memory serves. Does any one know where thes songs and dangous visions are avaible? Which albums were they on. Do they sound like the dangeorus visions that is on zones and being a hawkwind fan would I like them? Timothy Langner From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:01:22 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:01:22 -0400 Subject: HLL & HW Message-ID: paul may have posted this. but: doug s just informed me that hw and huw will not be sharing the stage june 7. huw is doing an accoustic set, and hw will be doing their own thing. this benefit is being sponsored by huw's wife marrion. cpt. rizz opens. he didnt say who was actually headlining.. he also recommended another show which he said would be a great event, and hw at their best. this is the DR.music show, June 11,12,13, in spain. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:03:38 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:03:38 -0400 Subject: OFF US vs. UK audiences Message-ID: > e environment very easy. Where the hell am I going with all this, any opinions, Stand or sit? > i prefer to stand, but relish the ability to retreat to seat if necessary. ;) rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:06:37 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:06:37 -0400 Subject: HW: No news for some time Message-ID: > > Cripes! I always thought that was Dave (singing in a smooth Zarozinia > style)! Oh well... next question: when was this recorded? I don`t know > when Keith was in the group but made a rough guess having listened to > the drumming that it might have been Ginger Baker so that dates it to > 79/80 ish. Here's hoping I haven`t made another goofy assumption about > this song... assuming it was recorded with the rest of the album, it was 1982 on hocking mobile. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:07:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:07:54 -0400 Subject: HW- No news for some ti Message-ID: > > My big vocalist question is: Who sings "Dangerous Visions" on Zones?? > > I say Dave sings this. i'll bet you my three cats is kieth. i'll bet you the left side of my brain its not dave at anyrate. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:10:52 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:10:52 -0400 Subject: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) Message-ID: > Yep, it was the Levitation tour, but after Tim Blake had been told to _foutre > le camp_ and Keith Hale (no "y") was drafted in as a replacement. He got to > do one of his own songs - how many bands would be so accommodating to a "hired > hand"? - even though it was a bit out of place in a Hawkwind set. (But then > so was the drum solo that tour :) they use the y on the cd. not aying yer wrong, but if you are right, keith must have been somewhat annoyed... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 7 16:16:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:16:15 -0400 Subject: Standing vs. Sitting Message-ID: > I'm definitely a sit-man. Why? Because I like to SEE the show... > occasionally SEE the musicians. > if yer not a tall person, i can see this. i might prefer the seats if people actually stayed seated. but usually ya get some big guy with big hair standing in front of you, or some sloppy drunk in the seat next, or some other disaster, and no way out. find yerself next to Barney (simpson's) in a standing crowd, ya can run away! ;) rj From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed May 7 16:34:04 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:34:04 UT Subject: HW: Dr Music Message-ID: Cribbed this from the Dr Music site, http://www.doctormusic.es: >Basic Festival information >Dates: Friday 11, Saturday 12, Sunday 13, July 1997 >Place: Escalarre, La Guingueta, Valls D??neu, Pallars, Pyrenees, Lleida >Cost: Season ticket for three days: 12,800 pesetas (including carpark and campsite) >Sale: Season tickets are already on sale throughout Spain at Servicaixa points of La Caixa savings bank and at standard retail >outlets (see following list). Any Spaniards in the works? I could almost do something mad like go to this if I could get tickets ahead... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed May 7 17:25:44 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:25:44 UT Subject: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) Message-ID: >they use the y on the cd. not aying yer wrong, but if you are right, keith >must have been somewhat annoyed... rj That's if he even saw it... On the LP too... I'm positive there's no "y", but there was always a confusion with Paul Hayles, who played on the 77 tour, so maybe I'm confused too (wouldn't be the first ime :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 7 18:06:05 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:06:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold suggested: >> To be really appropriate, the band would have to have a minor cameo >> somewhere. >> >> Here's some suggetions: >> ... > >Just as EW has finally been pressed and CDs are leaving the plant, the delivery >trucks and factory are turned to ashes by Zilla-God's flaming breath ... To steel a plot from "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" (or perhaps Robotech/Macross) Scientists discover that playing "Club Ninja" causes Godzilla to recoil in horror at what BOC has become and they successfully use it to drive him back to sea. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Sam, Binder of Demons, Lord of Light ==================================== From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Wed May 7 20:21:06 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:21:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: >Buck could have a scene where he's trying to think of something >to write a song about, then sees Godzilla from his window >trashing downtown and he gets an inspiraion. >Allen could have a bit scene where he vows to quit smoking >and gets stepped on by Godzilla. > >Eric could play a scientist trying to shoot Godzilla with >an experimental wrist-mounted laser. >And of course at the very end Godzilla takes his mask off >and it's Albert. >> Well I, for one, would love to see all the above...I'd be rolling! As far as the Godzilla movie goes, I've put up two links on my website http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm. One link takes you to some current news concerning the film and the other takes you to a Sony feedback link. Everyone access the feedback link and let Sony know what we think. They already (at least as far as I know) have the rights to the song. Bill From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu May 8 13:15:26 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:15:26 EST Subject: HLL & HW In-Reply-To: ; from "Maxine Wesley" at May 7, 97 03:11:41 pm Message-ID: Maxine said > > It'll be my first time at that one. I've just become a Soft Southern > Jessie by moving down to Portsmouth (starting June 2nd) - I won't have Hey thats my home town,seen some pretty good gigs at the guildhall and the ozrics have just played there in the wedgewood rooms or some other place. There used to be some really good pubs in southsea around the seafront,and plenty of good indian restaurants. regards Marty(ah memories,but still prefer Australia) Lawrence From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 7 22:38:36 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:38:36 +1000 Subject: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7 May 97 at 21:25, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >they use the y on the cd. not aying yer wrong, but if you are right, keith > >must have been somewhat annoyed... rj > > That's if he even saw it... On the LP too... I'm positive there's no "y", > but there was always a confusion with Paul Hayles, who played on the 77 > tour, so maybe I'm confused too (wouldn't be the first ime :) I'll check my Toyah collection tonight and see what it says there (yes, I admit owning Toyah collection .... I must have went through a period of lunacy in the 80's ......) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu May 8 13:32:45 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:32:45 EST Subject: HW: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew Gilham" at May 7, 97 03:22:30 pm Message-ID: > > >Cripes! I always thought that was Dave (singing in a smooth Zarozinia > >style)! Oh well... next question: when was this recorded? I don`t know > >when Keith was in the group but made a rough guess having listened to > >the drumming that it might have been Ginger Baker so that dates it to > >79/80 ish. Here's hoping I haven`t made another goofy assumption about > >this song... It was definately keith singing. > > Yep, it was the Levitation tour, but after Tim Blake had been told to _foutre > le camp_ and Keith Hale (no "y") was drafted in as a replacement. He got to > do one of his own songs - how many bands would be so accommodating to a "hired > hand"? - even though it was a bit out of place in a Hawkwind set. (But then > so was the drum solo that tour :) > He used to play in a band called Blood Donor and sent dave a tape. I was not too amused upon the cutain opening and not seeing Tim Blakes huge setup ,only to see the piddily couple of keyboards,so I knew something was amiss.The next day in sounds the was a hawkwind feature which had stop press -Blake out,new synth plyer in. He played dangerous visions on the winter tour,and he also left with ginger to become one of Ginger Bakers nutters,and what a bunch of tossers they were. I saw them at Glastonbury and they were crap,but the hawkwind four piece of brock,bainbridge,langton and griffin played the next night and were really good. regards Marty From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu May 8 03:26:16 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:26:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Dr Music Message-ID: At 20:34 07.05.97 UT, you wrote: >Any Spaniards in the works? I could almost do something mad like go >to this if I could get tickets ahead... A good friend of mine will fly to Spain only to see this HAWKWIND gig He is in the great situation that he do not have to pay for the flight !! Bernhard From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu May 8 04:15:41 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:15:41 +0100 Subject: HLL & HW Message-ID: I thought it was too good to be true. Is this the absolutely last word on this, is there no way that Huw and HW can be induced to play together? Has anyone seen Huw play an acoustic set before? paul may have posted this. but: doug s just informed me that hw and huw will not be sharing the stage june 7. huw is doing an accoustic set, and hw will be doing their own thing. this benefit is being sponsored by huw's wife marrion. cpt. rizz opens. he didnt say who was actually headlining.. he also recommended another show which he said would be a great event, and hw at their best. this is the DR.music show, June 11,12,13, in spain. rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 7 12:59:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:59:00 +0100 Subject: OFF- US vs. UK audience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Dane Carlson writes >Andy writ: >> OK, but the MOSH FROM HELL was going on downstairs, and it would have >been >nice to have at least been on the fringes! > >ah, therin lies the key. I pretty much avoid that activity and I can't say I >have even seen a mosh pit before. when I saw the first US tour of the Clash I >had 3rd row seats, though the seating situation didn't last long of course. But >this whole Mosh Pit thing came after me I guess. As for seating/standing I think >it depends on the band obviously, and the audience. > >Dane The first gig I ever went to, The Members @ The Marquee '78, there was MOSH although we still called it dancing in those days. A slam dance by any other name. I could do the whole gig in those days. Now I'll ROCK OUT for about 20 mins, then feel my age a bit and get a pint..... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 7 12:53:24 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:53:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: US vs. UK audiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>>Andy writ: Don't think I could face it if it's seated. >> >>This struck me as classic. > >Ha! If your feet hurt, get new shoes! :) Last time I sat at a gig was when I >could only get circle tickets for the Ramones - and it was fun, OK, but the >MOSH FROM HELL was going on downstairs, and it would have been nice to have at >least been on the fringes! Yep, I'm hard me, I stand at gigs and I don't wear >earplugs! :) > >- Andy Seats? We don' need no steenkin seats! Some of us like to "dance" (thrash around wildly). I feel utterly REPRESSED in seated venues. -- Jon Browne From micci at SCI.FI Thu May 8 04:34:59 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:34:59 +0300 Subject: HW: Where is Tim Blake? Message-ID: >What is Tim Blake up to these days? As far as I know, I have both his >solo albums Crystal Machine and New Jerusalem but has he released any >more work? > >Mark Edmonds > >Hi, yes, Magick in 1991 (Voiceprint VP 105CD). There is also video call Live Magick (ltd 50 copies pal system). Miikka From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 8 11:01:25 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:01:25 BST Subject: HW: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Thu, 8 May 1997 12:32:45 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > He played dangerous visions on the winter tour,and he also left with ginger > to become one of Ginger Bakers nutters,and what a bunch of tossers they were. > I saw them at Glastonbury and they were crap,but the hawkwind four piece > of brock,bainbridge,langton and griffin played the next night and were really > good. Ah yes. I'd seen 'em at Stonehenge the night before and we cycled over to Glasters, got wellied on cider and got down the front. Unfortunately I accidentally started a riot at the end of the gig. Fortunately I was drawn away to listen to Tim Blake's albums by someone's campfire just before the Security counterattack. Good night though! There were so few folks at Glasters that year that I prolly bumped into Marty without knowing it. Where were you camped? > Marty FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 8 11:08:08 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:08:08 BST Subject: HW: Where is Tim Blake? In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Thu, 8 May 1997 11:34:59 +0300 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > >What is Tim Blake up to these days? As far as I know, I have both his > >solo albums Crystal Machine and New Jerusalem but has he released any > >more work? > > > >Mark Edmonds > > > >Hi, yes, Magick in 1991 (Voiceprint VP 105CD). There is also video call > Live Magick (ltd 50 copies pal system). Yup, Voiceprint sent me one after about a year and a half wait. I also got a boot video from one of the US tour gigs and he's on for 20 minutes on the AMP video of the Electronica gig at London Astoria. For me though the Blake boot called "Waterfalls in Space" (Orsay 1978?) is the business - a long meandering jam on the New Jerusalem theme. I'd saw off an arm to get a clear tape of that gig. > Miikka FoFP From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 8 06:36:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 06:36:31 -0400 Subject: HLL & HW Message-ID: > I thought it was too good to be true. Is this the absolutely last word on this, is there no way that Huw and > HW can be induced to play together? who knows? there is always the chance that this could lead somewhere. rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 8 07:44:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:44:47 EDT Subject: Off::UK Slang Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > Martyn Lawrence writes: > > > He played dangerous visions on the winter tour,and he also left with ginger > > to become one of Ginger Bakers nutters,and what a bunch of tossers they were. Could UK friends please explain significance of 'tossers?' Sounds like a great one! theo From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu May 8 08:52:41 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:52:41 +0100 Subject: :UK Slang Message-ID: Two possibilities here: 1/ Tosser, contraction of toss-pot one who drinks excessively, a drunkard. 2/ Tosser also wanker, one who masturbates Hope this is of help Mike P. ---------- From: Ted Jackson jr. EL84[SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: 08 May 1997 12:44 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off::UK Slang > From: M Holmes > Martyn Lawrence writes: > > > He played dangerous visions on the winter tour,and he also left with ginger > > to become one of Ginger Bakers nutters,and what a bunch of tossers they were. Could UK friends please explain significance of 'tossers?' Sounds like a great one! theo From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 8 09:23:41 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:23:41 +1000 Subject: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 May 97 at 12:38, Sonique wrote: Talking to myself again .... ;^) > On 7 May 97 at 21:25, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > >they use the y on the cd. not aying yer wrong, but if you are right, > > >keith must have been somewhat annoyed... rj > > > > That's if he even saw it... On the LP too... I'm positive there's no "y", > > but there was always a confusion with Paul Hayles, who played on the 77 > > tour, so maybe I'm confused too (wouldn't be the first ime :) > > I'll check my Toyah collection tonight and see what it says there (yes, I > admit owning Toyah collection .... I must have went through a period of > lunacy in the 80's ......) Ok - it's spelt "Hales" on "Sheep Farming in Barnet" and "Hale" on "Anthem" and "Toyah! Toyah! Toyah!". He doesn't seem to be listed on any of the others I have got ... must have just been with Toyah during 81 and 82. And to recover my self-esteem, I had to *search* for the albums and my girlfriend at the time made me buy 'em ... really. Sonique ObTrack: The new "New Christs" single ... heard it on the radio tonight. Awesome! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 8 14:55:38 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:55:38 BST Subject: HW: Where is Tim Blake? In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 8 May 1997 11:08:08 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > For me though the Blake boot called "Waterfalls in Space" (Orsay 1978?) > is the business - a long meandering jam on the New Jerusalem theme. I'd > saw off an arm to get a clear tape of that gig. Have to agree about this - it's a fine elegant piece of playing. But I thought it was an official release of some kind. I'm sure my cassette has strange swirly white patterns on it, much too elaborate to be a boot. But maybe I'm misremembering. The quality is still terrible tho'! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu May 8 10:25:55 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:25:55 -0700 Subject: HW Speaking of Tim Blake Message-ID: Has Tim ever played with HW since, I was sure he did a one off or something, but then I was sure Dave sang DV! Goal for today: somehow use the word "Tosser" in coversation. Dane NP: U. F. Orb - The Orb From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 8 15:35:04 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:35:04 BST Subject: HW Speaking of Tim Blake In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Thu, 8 May 1997 07:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > Has Tim ever played with HW since, I was sure he did a one off or > something, but then I was sure Dave sang DV! Tim played with them at Brixton Academy in 1991 the night before he played his "Majick" gig at Brixton Fridge. > Dane FoFP From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu May 8 10:54:40 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:54:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slang Message-ID: For those of you interested in British slang, try this link. begin 600 Terms.htm (www.youngie.com).url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Please disregard unless you live in Europe, know what I'm talking about and are possibly willing to help. Thanks. I am having a devil of a time finding two discs by a band called Threshold, Modern Prog metal artist. The two I'm interested in are Livedelica, a live EP featuring songs from their US tour with Dream Theater and the latest CD, Extinct Instinct. If possible we can make it a financial transaction or a trade. Please reply off line if you can help. I think sometimes you guys/gals over there have it good. Try finding some Pink Cream 69, Pretty Maids, Helloween or Stratovarius over here. Real hard. At the risk of starting WWIII be glad to offload all the alterna crap we have to put up with. 8>) Thanks in advance. L8er lil' ab "Galactic Cowboys never age!" ob cd - Threshold - Wounded Land From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 8 12:07:35 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:07:35 -0600 Subject: Godzilla Cameos / Sitting or Standing Message-ID: My my my what active, creative imaginations. People are wondering why all the laughter from my office. Stop it your killing me. Sitting or Standing? I vote for On Your Feet or On Your Knees and definitely at the front of the stage. L8er lil' ab "Galactic Cowboys never age!" obcd - Magnum - Wings of Heaven BTW - Receipt shows that the number of subcribers has grown to 211. Welcome newbies or returnees or lurkers or...any problems with the service blame Steve Swann, he gets blamed for everything. 8>). From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu May 8 12:34:04 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:34:04 -0700 Subject: OFF Chicago Anyone Message-ID: I got a live tape (not HW or BOC) from chicago and the venue is called: Auditorium Theater seems kind of redundant, is this a real venue name. Dane NP: Camel - (whisper whisper) From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu May 8 12:39:51 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:39:51 -0700 Subject: OFF The Lurkers Message-ID: lil' ab writes> number of subcribers has grown to 211. wow. unreal where are all these people, of couse I have BOC turned off, what's it like over there? I have seen only 20 or so on this side. Imagine the toughts as people read this drivel. Does anything useful come from this group? I know my life has been enriched by this group :) Dane NP: Camel - (can't talk about it) From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu May 8 12:44:17 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:44:17 -0700 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: Anyone know anything about this band? What Nik is up to? Dane From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu May 8 13:06:58 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:06:58 -0400 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: In a message dated 5/7/97 3:40:32 PM, you wrote: >Howls guy. I understand that people are discussing the new movie but If >I recall there was an American (?) remake of Godzilla a couple of years >back. Don't think it did well at box office. Ick. We aren't talking about Godzilla 1985, are we? I hated it until I saw it on Svengoolie--their "Sven-surround" dubbed vocal track made it much more bearable! :-) >Now if the makers of this >new Godzilla are looking to score on a serious movie I think they have >two problems. 1) Godzilla started as a serious Sci-Fi but morphed >quickly into some serious comedy, don't know if it was intentional but >it did 2) wouldn't the song itself take away from the serious intent? I >always looked at the song as a spoof of the big dino and all movies of >that ilk. 1) remains to be seen--let's see how bright these money-makers really are!; 2) as in another post, I really like the soundtracks to both ID4 and Stargate--the less-than-serious vocals in BOC's Godzilla can be remedied by doing an instrumental version of the song. Maybe--once we find out more in terms of which studio and whether the ID4/Stargate team is actually part of the project--we could help nudge them in the direction of BOC with some friendly email & snail mail suggestions? Shari (again) From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu May 8 13:08:38 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:08:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: In a message dated 5/6/97 4:14:36 PM, you wrote: >>I was referring to a major studio update of Godzilla that's already >>in the works. It's supposed to be a huge production. > >Yeah. I think it's Roland Emmerich who's directing this (the guy who made >Stargate and ID4). > >>I'll tell ya >>right now, that if BOC's song isn't in the flick, I'll refuse to see >>it no matter how good it is... >>theo > >Isn't that a bit extremist of you, Theo ? I think you're overreacting. :-o > The guys who are involved in this remake may never even have heard >of BOC... and even if they have, it could be they don't actually like the >song, or whatever. Of course, I'd like it to be in there too, but I'm not >gonna refuse seeing the movie just because "Godzilla" isn't in it... let's >be reasonable about this ;-) Well, I'm a big fan of both movies, (particularly the Stargate & its soundtrack!), and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the same team reworks BOC's Godzilla into an instrumental version, or at the very least plays the original during the credits or tucks it away somewhere in the movie as an inconspicuous song on the radio. You know, similar to Reaper's appearance in all the Stephen King movies. Shari From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 8 13:13:09 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:13:09 -0400 Subject: OFF The Lurkers Message-ID: >lil' ab writes> >number of subcribers has grown to 211. > >wow. unreal where are all these people, of couse I have BOC turned off, what's it like over there? I have seen only 20 or so on this side. Imagine the toughts as people read this drivel. Does anything useful come from this group? I know my life has been enriched by this group :) 211??!? With those kind of numbers I think it's time for another project. A new directory... manager character assassination.... song poll... tape tree... howabout a tape that someone starts (like Theo) with a base rendition on some instrument of an appropriate tune and gets mailed around the list with each person mixing in some effect to go with it. Wonder what the break-down is by sides of the Atlantic... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 8 13:18:01 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:18:01 -0400 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: >2) as in another post, I really like the soundtracks to both ID4 and >Stargate--the less-than-serious vocals in BOC's Godzilla can be remedied by >doing an instrumental version of the song. Ahhh... somehow I find the "TV Mix" version of Godzilla (without vocals) less serious than the original. I don't find the original that disrespectful, really. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 8 13:24:34 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: Was: HLL & HW..also Sabbath Message-ID: The discussion continues... >> I thought it was too good to be true. Is this the absolutely last word on >>this, is there no way that Huw and HW can be induced to play together? > >who knows? there is always the chance that this could lead somewhere. On this same subject, but veering a bit off-topic...does anyone know what's up with this "Ozz-fest" tour that's happening over here in the states. The ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of garbage that I couldn't care less about. What exactly does that mean? Is this *not* a reunion of the original line-up (perhaps minus only Bill Ward)? It sounds to me like Ozzy would be performing with his bunch of no-names, following a performance by Iommi fronted by Tony Martin along with a couple of Whitesnake rejects. Would that be stupid, or what?? Just wondering....Keith H. (FAA) From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu May 8 13:31:54 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:31:54 +0100 Subject: HW: New compilation out Message-ID: Hi Looking though HMV I've found a new and exciting compilation!!!!! (only joking). But there is one out there. It's got an original title: Master of the universe and original song list too. 17 songs which are basically from castles compilation titled best of hawkwind (I think that's the right title) which came out 95/96 (this having a 97 date). Apart from a new cover there's an added bonus of paying 1UKP more so you pay 3.49UKP instead of 2.49UKP. However castles one is still on sale in the same shop. The songs are of course ones like British tribal music, sliver machine (live), earth calling. all ones which came out in the past 10million times oh and some are on the 6.95UKP compilation which is out. The one hawkwind mentioned on thier site I really recommend this compilation, if you want to spend some money on rubbish! What shall we call the next compilation album which comes out? Unreleased hawkwind at their best? The photo on it is a photo of brook, lemmy. One I've seem before or similar. Whole thing issued, I think, by Raja. Timothy Langner From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu May 8 13:42:22 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:42:22 -0400 Subject: Off: (..also Sabbath) Message-ID: >The discussion continues... > >>> I thought it was too good to be true. Is this the absolutely last word on >>>this, is there no way that Huw and HW can be induced to play together? >> >>who knows? there is always the chance that this could lead somewhere. > >On this same subject, but veering a bit off-topic...does anyone know what's >up with this "Ozz-fest" tour that's happening over here in the states. The >ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of garbage >that I couldn't care less about. What exactly does that mean? Is this >*not* a reunion of the original line-up (perhaps minus only Bill Ward)? It >sounds to me like Ozzy would be performing with his bunch of no-names, >following a performance by Iommi fronted by Tony Martin along with a couple >of Whitesnake rejects. Would that be stupid, or what?? Well, most of us on the BOC side who picked up the Guitar World for about one paragraph of quotes from Buck got to read a bit about it... It is the Ozzy and Iommi, playing old stuff (they aren't writing anything new together), and they're not staying together after this tour. The rest of the "fest" is other bands, the only one I remember offhand is Manson. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From corwin at ROPNET.RU Thu May 8 13:52:34 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:52:34 +0400 Subject: OFF The Lurkers Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > lil' ab writes> > number of subcribers has grown to 211. > > wow. unreal where are all these people, of couse I have BOC turned off, what's it like over there? I have seen only 20 or so on this side. Imagine the toughts as people read this drivel. Does anything useful come from this group? I know my life has been enriched by this group :) > > Dane > My life also was enriched. I get many new and good informayion from this mailing list. Corwin From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu May 8 14:49:25 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:49:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Slang In-Reply-To: <01BC5BC8.24664440@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 May 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > For those of you interested in British slang, try this link. > > begin 600 Terms.htm (www.youngie.com).url > M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO 3;2]T97)M ` > end Huh? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu May 8 15:26:57 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:26:57 EDT Subject: OFF The Lurkers Message-ID: >howabout a tape that someone starts (like Theo) with a base >rendition on some instrument of an appropriate tune and gets mailed >around the >list with each person mixing in some effect to go with it. Interesting idea....how about a very, very long version of "Seeing It As You Really Are"? That's easy enough to play...(you don't need musical talent to play it, ie.Nik, DikMik, John Harrison). I'll supply some blanga bass. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu May 8 15:26:57 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:26:57 EDT Subject: Was: HLL & HW..also Sabbath Message-ID: >On this same subject, but veering a bit off-topic...does anyone know >what's >up with this "Ozz-fest" tour that's happening over here in the states. > The >ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of >garbage >that I couldn't care less about. What exactly does that mean? Is >this >*not* a reunion of the original line-up (perhaps minus only Bill >Ward)? It >sounds to me like Ozzy would be performing with his bunch of no-names, >following a performance by Iommi fronted by Tony Martin along with a >couple >of Whitesnake rejects. Would that be stupid, or what?? Well it IS rather stupid. Ozzy is playing with his usual band o' cheese, while the Sabbath "reunion" is Iommi, Ozz, Butler, minus Ward, with Mike Bordin from Faith No More (why?) on drums. I am on the Sabbath listserv, and this topic has been addressed a million times. Everyone seems to agree that this is NOT a reunioun, and is merely another money making scheme. For goddsakes, all three members have been quoted as saying "I am never going to play with those other guys ever again". Plus, I sent an e-mail message to Ozzy at WorldofOzz at aol.com, complaining that Sharon, ozzy's wife and manager, is behind not having Ward on the tour (which she says she has "certain", blackmail-type, reasons for). I also added that Ozzy is being pushed around by Sharon like David St. Hubbins was pushed around by his girlfriend in _Spinal Tap_. Anyway, he sent me back this message: From: WorldOfOzz at aol.com Received: from x6.boston.juno.com (x6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.23]) by m11.boston.juno.com (8.6.13/8.7.Alpha.4/1.34.kim) with ESMTP id VAA11283 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:20:54 -0400 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by x6.boston.juno.com (8.6.13/8.7.Alpha.4/1.34.kim) with ESMTP id VAA18570 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:20:54 -0400 Received: (from root at localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA05111 for ianfines at juno.com; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: WorldOfOzz at aol.com To: ianfines at juno.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: No Subject Message-ID: <970415211827_17731581 at emout08.mail.aol.com> X-Status: Forwarded Um, excuse me but, SHARON IS MY MANAGER. What do you think manager's do? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu May 8 15:39:36 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:39:36 -0500 Subject: OFF Chicago Anyone In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson "OFF Chicago Anyone" (May 8, 9:34am) Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > I got a live tape (not HW or BOC) from chicago and the venue is called: > Auditorium Theater > seems kind of redundant, is this a real venue name. Yes, that is really the name of the place. The Auditorium Theater is a medium-size venue on Congress Parkway near the lakefront. It has been around forever. I think it even has Chicago Historic Landmark status. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Said by an announcer at the U.S. Open tennis tournament, which is plagued by aircraft constantly flying over head: "It's like Grand Central Station with all these airplanes!" From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu May 8 17:28:35 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:28:35 UT Subject: HW: Speaking of Tim Blake Message-ID: >Goal for today: somehow use the word "Tosser" in coversation. Too easy, especially if you're talking about Tim Blake :))) (I know, it's a cheap shot...) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu May 8 17:27:50 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:27:50 UT Subject: OFF: New Christs was RE: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news for some time) Message-ID: >ObTrack: The new "New Christs" single ... heard it on the radio tonight. >Awesome! Which track have they picked? I mean, they're ALL awesome, but just curious! "From on High" would be my pick, but maybe "Annalise"...? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 18:12:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:12:48 +0200 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: At 09:44 AM 5/8/97 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know anything about this band? What Nik is up to? > >Dane > > Well, why not take a look at their web-site? http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ But I think both Joe and Henrik can tell you "moor" ;-) mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 8 23:15:38 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:15:38 BST Subject: HW: Tim Blake's Waterfalls Message-ID: Yep - just to confirm that my copy definitely looks like an original official issue. Made by Otter Songs it's got an (admittedly rather cheap looking) card cover in pink and black but the label is quite well printed on the cassette itself and there's a standard Copyright announcement dated 1982. Sound quality is quite awful though so either it was a terrible original recording or the tape has decayed. However if it *is* an official production then it argues that there ought to be a Master Tape somewhere and maybe this could be re-mastered to get a cleaner sound. IMO Blake is still terrific when playing synth and if he could forget composing songs and just play music his talent wouldn't just be wasting away like it seems to be now. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 8 18:38:11 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:38:11 +1000 Subject: OFF: New Christs was RE: Keith Hale ( was RE: HW: No news fo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 May 97 at 21:27, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >ObTrack: The new "New Christs" single ... heard it on the radio tonight. > >Awesome! > > Which track have they picked? I mean, they're ALL awesome, but just > curious! "From on High" would be my pick, but maybe "Annalise"...? Can't tell you - I wasn't listening to the announcer, just had it in in the background, but started paying attention at about ".... the new single form New Christs" over the first few notes. I will find out tho! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 18:55:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 00:55:20 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hey guys... what is this? Has anyone heard of this before? >From Anekdotens web-page; The venue for the Stockholm Progfest has been changed to Folkoperan. The festival will run between the 29th and 31st of August (with the 31st being the "convention day") and the bands that are scheduled to appear are H?yry-kone (Finland), Standarte (Italy), Lucifer Was (Norway), P?r Lindh Project, Darxtar and Anekdoten (Sweden). Possible headlines are Gong or Hawkwind. splaba -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 19:01:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:01:47 +0200 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: Shari; >Well, I'm a big fan of both movies, (particularly the Stargate & its >soundtrack!), and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the same team >reworks BOC's Godzilla into an instrumental version, or at the very least >plays the original during the credits or tucks it away somewhere in the movie >as an inconspicuous song on the radio. You know, similar to Reaper's >appearance in all the Stephen King movies. > I know DFTR was used in "the Stand"... but I have never heard it any other King movie... could you tell me more? h?lsa med halsen -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu May 8 19:06:22 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:06:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim Blake's Waterfalls In-Reply-To: <9705082315.aa14705@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > Sound quality is quite awful though so either > it was a terrible original recording or the tape has decayed. > > However if it *is* an official production then it argues that there > ought to be a Master Tape somewhere and maybe this could be re-mastered > to get a cleaner sound. Maybe the master tape is a cassette tape originating from someone who recorded the gig on a walkman in the audience? (That's what Venom's _Official Bootleg_ sounds like.) In that case, I wouldn't hold my breath for a massive increase in sound quality... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Those executives have plooked the fuck out of me." --- "Joe" From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 19:09:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:09:20 +0200 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: We are NOT, I repeat, NOT going to mail the film-makers about using the song Godzilla in any movie EVER. They are artists goddammit and they shouldn't have to get their important work interfered by some BOC-freaks. ;-) h?ls med halsen -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu May 8 19:17:16 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:17:16 -0500 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: > >Anyone know anything about this band? What Nik is up to? > >Dane The Moor is a Swedish band featuring a very talented keyboardist named Kenneth Magnusson. Nik adds some very nice (?!) sax and flute bits on the cd Flux. Don't expect the usual from Nik here- he's very much a sideman. The music is an odd mix of 1 part modern, 2 parts prog/space. Definitely not for everyone, but a good listen for those with the proverbial "open mind". Their earlier work "Every Pixie Tells a Story" is similar but with a less modern sound. Then there is Magnusson's offshoot project Simon Says, which is excellent keyboard driven prog rock, with the accent on rock. Great stuff, if a bit more retro. If I were of a self-promotional mindset, I might even mention that I carry all of the above at www.geocities.com/Paris/2190...:) Wylie From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 19:24:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:24:23 +0200 Subject: OFF The Lurkers Message-ID: Andrew wrote; >211??!? With those kind of numbers I think it's time for another project. > >A new directory... manager character assassination.... song poll... tape >tree... >howabout a tape that someone starts (like Theo) with a base >rendition on some instrument of an appropriate tune and gets mailed around the >list with each person mixing in some effect to go with it. > >Wonder what the break-down is by sides of the Atlantic... Maybe we shouldn't encourage all those lurkers start mailing to the list... Because if they would do so my e-mail account probably would explode... ;-) mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 19:31:13 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:31:13 +0200 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: Andrew writes; > >Ahhh... somehow I find the "TV Mix" version of Godzilla (without vocals) >less serious than the original. > I'll guess this is when you sing-along to it. ;-) h?lsa med halsen -Daniel Wikdahl ps j?vlar vilket lustigt hum?r jag ?r p? ikv?ll ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 8 19:50:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:50:22 +0200 Subject: Was: HLL & HW..also Sabbath Message-ID: Keith writes; > >On this same subject, but veering a bit off-topic...does anyone know what's >up with this "Ozz-fest" tour that's happening over here in the states. The >ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of garbage >that I couldn't care less about. What do you meen with garbage??? Haven't you ever heard Kyuss? Kyuss doesn't exist any-longer but their singer has this new band called Slo-Burn (and hey are going to play Ozz-fest) and if they are half as good as Kyuss was then they will out-play even a reunited Sabbath with no problem at all... IMHO of course... What exactly does that mean? Is this >*not* a reunion of the original line-up (perhaps minus only Bill Ward)? It >sounds to me like Ozzy would be performing with his bunch of no-names, >following a performance by Iommi fronted by Tony Martin along with a couple >of Whitesnake rejects. Would that be stupid, or what?? Agree on this one though. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 8 22:50:06 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:50:06 +1000 Subject: NK The Moor In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970508221248.008f3b04@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: Kenneth from The Moor also guested at the (very soon to be released) "HawXtaR" (darXtar & Nik Turner doing darXtar and HW tracks) gig in Sweden in 1995 Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 9 03:24:15 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:24:15 +0200 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: At 12:50 1997-05-09 +1000, you wrote: >Kenneth from The Moor also guested at the (very soon to be released) >"HawXtaR" (darXtar & Nik Turner doing darXtar and HW tracks) gig in Sweden in >1995 "very soon to be released" should be read in a _Ezekeils Wheel_ perspective. >Sonique \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 9 03:24:13 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:24:13 +0200 Subject: ... (Stockholm Progfest) Message-ID: At 00:55 1997-05-09 +0200, you wrote: >Hey guys... what is this? Has anyone heard of this before? > > >>From Anekdotens web-page; > >The venue for the Stockholm Progfest has > been changed to Folkoperan. The festival > will run between the 29th and 31st of > August (with the 31st being the > "convention day") and the bands that are > scheduled to appear are H?yry-kone > (Finland), Standarte (Italy), Lucifer > Was (Norway), P?r Lindh Project, Darxtar > and Anekdoten (Sweden). Possible > headlines are Gong or Hawkwind. a initiated source say there will be no Hawkwind, cause they will tour the u.s at the time. darXtar is 99% confirmed, and I don't know the Gong status. \\joe > splaba -Daniel Wikdahl > >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 > > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri May 9 03:24:11 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:24:11 +0200 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: At 18:17 1997-05-08 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Anyone know anything about this band? What Nik is up to? >> >>Dane > > > The Moor is a Swedish band featuring a very talented keyboardist >named Kenneth Magnusson. Nik adds some very nice (?!) sax and flute >bits on the cd Flux. Don't expect the usual from Nik here- he's very >much a sideman. The music is an odd mix of 1 part modern, 2 parts >prog/space. Definitely not for everyone, but a good listen for those >with the proverbial "open mind". > > Their earlier work "Every Pixie Tells a Story" is similar but with a >less modern sound. Then there is Magnusson's offshoot project Simon >Says, which is excellent keyboard driven prog rock, with the accent on >rock. Great stuff, if a bit more retro. on the _Every Pixie_ cd you have an "Angels of Death" cover, that is on the BOC-l cover tape. Uncle Nik and the Moor will play together at the German Space Rock Festival in the middle of June - and this is (as the Flux CD) just a guest appearance by Nik. >Wylie \\joe From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri May 9 03:48:10 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:48:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slang Message-ID: Bloody technology, should have been a link, not a strip of garbage. Address is: http://www.youngie.com/terms.htm On Thu, 8 May 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: blah blah blah........................................... From micci at SCI.FI Fri May 9 07:53:49 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:53:49 +0300 Subject: ... (Stockholm Progfest) Message-ID: >>Hey guys... what is this? Has anyone heard of this before? >> >> >>>From Anekdotens web-page; >> >>The venue for the Stockholm Progfest has >> been changed to Folkoperan. The festival >> will run between the 29th and 31st of >> August (with the 31st being the >> "convention day") and the bands that are >> scheduled to appear are H?yry-kone >> (Finland), Standarte (Italy), Lucifer >> Was (Norway), P?r Lindh Project, Darxtar >> and Anekdoten (Sweden). Possible >> headlines are Gong or Hawkwind. > Well, H?yry-Kone is in English Steam-engine. They relesed cd call Hy?nteisi? voi rakastaa (You can love insects)(APM 9510 AT). They sing in finish, so it?s may sound little strange for you fellows. But i must say that they vocalist had a amazing sound range. Miikka From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 9 09:22:08 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:22:08 -0600 Subject: Lurkers and Ozzy Message-ID: >wow. unreal where are all these people, of couse I have BOC turned off, what's it like over there? I have seen only 20 or so on this side. Imagine the toughts as people read this drivel. Does anything useful come from this group? I know my life has been enriched by this group :) >Dane You mean you only recieve the HW and Off topic stuff? Man you're missing half the fun Dane. >we could help nudge them in the direction of BOC with some friendly email & snail mail suggestions? >Shari (again) Sounds like a great idea. Got an address, if so let the bombardment begin. BTW I loved Stargate also. 5th Element anyone? Andrew>A new directory I did the last one. Its a not easy. In all we ended up with about 100, separated by affiliation BOC/HW. Will be difficult keeping up with the address changes, subs and unsubs. >... manager character assassination. I know some HIGHLY QUALIFIED people for this job. Won't name names as I fear their wrath (yeah right). 8>) >... song poll... Torgo did a great job on a BOC poll about two years ago. Don't think anything like that has ever been done on the HW side though. >tape tree... Whats that? >howabout a tape that someone starts (like Theo) with a base rendition on some instrument of an appropriate tune and gets mailed around the list with each person mixing in some effect to go with it. If you start with a bass start with John Swartz. One day we'll see him on MTV. 8>) Keith>The ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of garbage that I couldn't care less about. Dan>What do you meen with garbage??? Haven't you ever heard Kyuss? Uh I don't want to fan the flame and start an argument on the quality of music but the Oz fest is a bit more attractive than Summer Daze. Ya get Ozzy, original Sabbath, Marilyn Manson, some other bands and a second stage with up and comming artist. I didn't see any alterna-grunge acts on the list. They seem to be the new breed of heavy metal acts. Oz fest is probably a better buy and will most assuredly leave the Summer Daze in its wake. But you won't catch me there, I'm doing Tina Turner (for the wife) Queensryche and maybe the Moody Blues. All of this changes if King's X tours, though thats unlikely. Whew thats a long one. BTW I get a reciept from the listserve with every post. When I sent the "211" the reciept came back and said "uh-uh, 214". Maybe the words out that BOC-L is good family entertainment. L8er lil' ab "Galactic Cowboys never age!" GC fans, what do you think Hot Rails To Hell would sound like with Monty doing the Joe Bouchard thing? AWESOME! From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri May 9 09:44:02 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:44:02 CDT Subject: HW: LiS ep and 12" released? Message-ID: So, according the notes in my calendar, the Love in Space ep and 12" were due to have been released on Tuesday the 6th (in the UK, I presume). Has anyone seen them? And, for that matter, has anyone seen The Complete Spiral Realms (due out back on April 21st)? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 9 10:00:41 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:00:41 +0100 Subject: Was: HLL & HW..also Sabbath In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970508235022.0090226c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 May 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > What do you meen with garbage??? Haven't you ever heard Kyuss? > Kyuss doesn't exist any-longer but their singer has this new band called > Slo-Burn (and hey are going to play Ozz-fest) and if they are half as good > as Kyuss was then they will out-play even a reunited Sabbath with no problem > at all... IMHO of course... (Nods emphatically) - Kyuss are cool! Were, anyway. Carl has played me some and it is quite the _-*HEAVIEST*-_ stuff I ever did hear. Good too (that not _always_ being quite the same thing). All should hear, that their way may be enlightened. Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri May 9 10:15:01 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:15:01 -0700 Subject: OFF complete spiral realms Message-ID: Allan wrote> has anyone seen The Complete Spiral Realms (due out back on April 21st)? last I looked release has been pushed back to the end of June? It's on the HW web page. Dane From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 9 06:20:00 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:20:00 +0000 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla Message-ID: >We are NOT, I repeat, NOT going to mail the film-makers about >using the song Godzilla in any movie EVER. >They are artists goddammit and they shouldn't have to get their >important work interfered by some BOC-freaks. ;-) On the contrary, this can be just the kind of boost a band needs. Think of what "Wayne's World" did for Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody...or what "Risky Business" did for Bob Seger's Old Time Rock and Roll. Do you think the band would be against having their tune featured in a major 85 trillion-dollar flick? We should probably ask the guys who would benefit before we decide whether it's right or wrong. As far as the song actually being in the movie...I think the end credits would be the only choice. How can you have a song about Godzilla make a cameo in the movie when (I'm assuming, since the flick is billed as a "remake") nobody knows who or what Godzilla is? --Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 9 10:27:28 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:27:28 -0400 Subject: Now OFF: Ozzfest etc. Message-ID: Daniel asks.. >Keith writes; >> >>On this same subject, but veering a bit off-topic...does anyone know what's >>up with this "Ozz-fest" tour that's happening over here in the states. The >>ad says Ozzy Osbourne, and then Black Sabbath, followed by a load of garbage >>that I couldn't care less about. > >What do you mean with garbage??? Haven't you ever heard Kyuss? >Kyuss doesn't exist any-longer but their singer has this new band called >Slo-Burn (and they are going to play Ozz-fest) and if they are half as good >as Kyuss was then they will out-play even a reunited Sabbath with no problem >at all... IMHO of course... Well, I suppose that I mean that there's like 5 or 6 other bands listed, none of which I've heard or seen (with the exception of Type O Negative, which I had the misfortune of seeing as warmup for Queensryche '95). And since the only new 'loud' band (i.e., 'metal') since 1980 that I like *is* Queensryche (Diamond Head before that), I am highly sceptical that any of these others would interest me. (I could be wrong though.) The other prog-metal (if you will) groups I've heard (Magellan, Dream Theatre, Boud Deun) didn't impress me. And I've never heard Kyuss before...my brother (a fan of HW, BOC, QR, and many other cool groups) got a CD of theirs, and told me he thought it was abysmal. As our tastes seem to overlap so much, I figured he was probably spot on, although there are exceptions to this rule. Dunno much about Marilyn Manson, other than they try to be ugly mothers. I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing I would find them awful. But then, I really liked Jane's Addiction's Nothing Shocking (well, I guess then that makes *two* loud groups I like since '80, but then I don't associate JA with 'metal' as much as 'alternative'), and Perry Farrell is equally ugly and scary. I try to stay open-minded as much as possible...except when it comes to voting groups like the Bee-Gees into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. They were on Letterman last night, and I swear the one guy looked like film-maker John Waters *after* being assimilated by the Borg. And the other dude still sings like he's been in the Heaven's Gate cult too long (read castration). I can't believe they'd commit this felony, and *then* put some HW memoribilia in an exhibit. I'll believe when I see it. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Moontan - Dead Flowers From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 9 11:40:12 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:40:12 +0200 Subject: HW: Dark sun. Message-ID: Greetings! At last, the finnish hawk has landed - DARK SUN with their debut-cd FEED YOU MIND. I got it today and have already heard it four times. This must be one of the best records done in eons in the prog/space-genre. It contains eight tracks: Tiny the man, Feed your mind, Black spires, Our man inside, astral magic, Phantasica, Abduction files, The next stop. This is heavy prog/space, sometimes it remainds me of HW around the late 70?s and the early 80`s (Levitation, Live 79). They are HW-fans but without sounding like HW-clones, about the same approach we can see and hear from darXtar. I know that there are more great bands in this field, such as Spacehead, starfire (excellent debut-cd with outstanding version of "out of the shadows"/co-written by one of the members) and darXtar. But if you don?t want to much space but instead melodic or heavy space/prog darXtar and Dark sun are the obvious choise. The adress to the record-company is: Ville Maila, Metamorphos, Rantamaki 2 B 6, 02230 ESPOO, Finland. Fax: 358 9 8558212. Let me know what you think Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 9 12:28:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:28:11 -0400 Subject: Lurkers and Ozzy Message-ID: >If you start with a bass start with John Swartz. One day we'll see him on MTV. 8>) (trying hard not to have my lunchtime ice tea come out my nose) Yeah, even Danny Miranda knows to use my name to hit on women... ;-) I'll have to put a pic of me playing my bass on my BOC webpage, just so MTV knows what they're missing! On a somewhat related note, I may have the only bass in the world with the 'Trepanation' artwork on it - o.k., so I just put the temporary tattoo on the headstock... John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri May 9 12:38:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 18:38:03 +0200 Subject: HW: ... (Stockholm Progfest) Message-ID: >> and Anekdoten (Sweden). Possible >> headlines are Gong or Hawkwind. > >a initiated source say there will be no Hawkwind, cause they will tour the >u.s at the time. darXtar is 99% confirmed, and I don't know the Gong status. > >\\joe > > What do you think about the [possible] Stockholm date that is listed on the official Hawkwind site? 6th September. mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri May 9 13:26:18 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:26:18 +0200 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla Message-ID: >>We are NOT, I repeat, NOT going to mail the film-makers about >>using the song Godzilla in any movie EVER. > >>They are artists goddammit and they shouldn't have to get their >>important work interfered by some BOC-freaks. ;-) > >On the contrary, this can be just the kind of boost a band needs. >Think of what "Wayne's World" did for Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody...or >what "Risky Business" did for Bob Seger's Old Time Rock and Roll. Do >you think the band would be against having their tune featured in a >major 85 trillion-dollar flick? We should probably ask the guys who >would benefit before we decide whether it's right or wrong. Uh... Nick... I think that was humor, irony... c'mon, artists ? be serious ! look at the smiley *grin* Alex S. Garcia ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 9 18:37:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 18:37:42 GMT+0100 Subject: Later! Message-ID: Well, I'm signing off for the next week while I'm in Sweden. See all of you later (and some of you sooner :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: darXtar, _Daybreak_ ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://hammer.chu.cam.ac.uk/~cea20/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Fri May 9 14:40:20 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 20:40:20 +0200 Subject: NK The Moor Message-ID: hi, you can find out more on THE MOOR and Nik's involvement with them - and the Hamburg gig collaboration on the pages devoted to this event: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/hfest1.htm the page includes more links and a short description of the set that is planned. best, knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri May 9 16:02:34 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:02:34 -0400 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/97 12:46:39 AM, the Great Daniel wrote: >We are NOT, I repeat, NOT going to mail the film-makers about >using the song Godzilla in any movie EVER. What's this, Daniel? Ashamed of BOC's rendition? Not good enough for a major flick, is it?!? Hmmmm? ;-) >They are artists goddammit and they shouldn't have to get their important work >interfered by some BOC-freaks. :-) Hee, hee! Betcha if we threaten that thousands of BOC fans will boycott the movie if BOC doesn't get their due, there would be some movie execs who would be more than willing to "compromise" themselves to ensure ticket sales. Even if they don't include "Godzilla" in the movie, I'd love to see a bunch of movie execs piss themselves over something like that... BTW--and I accidentally deleted the mail I wanted to reply to--but when I mentioned the possiblility of an instrumental version of Godzilla, I was thinking more along the lines of simply sans vocals, not violin-elevator music. Kind of like the theme song to In the Mouth of Madness. Shari From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri May 9 16:15:54 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:15:54 -0500 Subject: News for US Hawkwind fans!! In-Reply-To: <199705091840.UAA05079@mail.Contrib.Com> Message-ID: Hi All, Anyone who's been waiting for some US Hawkwind shows should check out the hawkwind.com site. . you may like what you see. Star Rats From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Fri May 9 17:02:19 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:02:19 -0700 Subject: HW: 1 of 211 Message-ID: Hello, I'm one of the recently-mentioned 211 people on this list, and I have not posted before. You all are probably familiar with Hawkwind and BOC in intimate detail - I'm not, but I'm learning a lot from reading your mail! I have a lot of great BOC material (all standard) and a lot of great Hawkwind material. My question concerns the Hawkwind material I have now, and the CDs I plan to purchase. I go to the stores, and I can't figure out which CDs are "original" and which ones are released compilations of songs I already have. I never minded that *too* much, because I figured hey, I love the music, and Hawkwind gets the money anyway. How naive of me, it seems. I just read this (part of a letter) on www.hawkwind.com: >Over the next week or two we are going to list the records that are >honest releases. All others not mentioned, the band's old and new >members are currently taking to task. Hopefully with your help we >can nail these greedy bastards to the wall once and for all. I can't believe Hawkwind does not get the money from 99% of the albums that are out there. Has this list been posted yet? Can anyone provide me with a list of the "honest releases?" I feel pretty stupid, and you're all probably saying "yep!" :-) But any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Alan From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri May 9 17:29:16 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:29:16 -0700 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 Message-ID: Alan Wrote: Can anyone provide me with a list of the "honest releases?" I feel pretty stupid, and you're all probably saying "yep!" :-) alan, It's only from Management that any of us know which is which. And that info. is passed on through this list. Your question is exactly the response that was hoped for by Hawkwind I believe. An awareness and concern over valid CD release's, and knowing what not to buy. you can bet the list will be all over this list for a while after it's posted. Stay tuned. And we will all know the "honest release's". Definetly not a stupid question. Dane From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Fri May 9 17:26:02 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:26:02 -0400 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ Galactic Cowboys Conspiracy Message-ID: >We are NOT, I repeat, NOT going to mail the film-makers about >using the song Godzilla in any movie EVER. > >They are artists goddammit and they shouldn't have to get their important work >interfered by some BOC-freaks. ;-) Yeah, you're probably right. Who would want to read email from BOC-freaks!? :-) Bill From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri May 9 17:42:22 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:42:22 +0100 Subject: HW: 1 of 211 Message-ID: Alan said: >You all are probably familiar with Hawkwind and BOC in intimate detail - I'm >not So what! I'm a hawk fan and only know what I've reading record collector and here so. You don't have to know a lot to dicuess hawkwind, just need an opinion and/or question which someone else can answer. >Can anyone provide me with a list of the "honest releases?" I'll buy anything which hasn't been issued before once. But not twice. As for honest realeses if it doesn't include Ghost Dance, masters of the unvierse (usaly together in the compliation so irgnore ones like out take and intake) or Duglos in the jungle, may be sliver machine (live) in it as well then it's usualy the companies which don't give hawkwidn royalties. Dealing with the devil may be in there as well or earth calling. I hope they do nail the companies but not before I've got a copy of every song, at least once. Was the Sameri Antohgogy 3 volume (1986) realise offical? Or the castle mausic collection (and hawkwind signed up to them later on) And what about the CD collection feautring songs from hawkwind's ficknife recordings? And the flicknife singles issued in early 80s How did that come about while hakwind were singed to RCA? And how did out take and in take come about because it featured songs from the past. Does any one know when these sogns were recorded? Timothy Langner From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Fri May 9 21:34:48 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:34:48 -0600 Subject: BOC When new Morning Final? Message-ID: Anybody out there have a latest ETA for the upcoming Morning Final issue? Also, what did or does Al do right now re a "job" (besides doing tBS which probably is way more than fulltime)? He mentioned in a post some months back about his transition(s) after BOC, learning new skills/trades, etc. Was he teaching music? something else? anybody? Al? Thanks. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Fri May 9 23:07:55 1997 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:07:55 -0500 Subject: other: off: way off: trying to find icelander Message-ID: Hi all, I've been shanghaied by a friend who's trying to track down an old friend of hers from Ohio University (Athen, OH) from 1993-4. This friend was an Icelander named Oluf (or Olof or Olaf) Jonsdottir, and was legally together with a guy named Stefan (or Stephan, perhaps), surname unknown. They have a boy named Antan. We've tried hunting in various search engines, hunted among various iceland providers, etc. to no avail. I know that I'm at least somewhat constrained by the fact that most of our search engines are US-only based/informed. Any help in this matter would be very appreciated. Please email me, or my friend Elizabeth Borczon at zcz at falcon.cc.ukans.edu. Thanks, and have a great weekend! Allan. #221.5 (since I'm not really a lurker, and now subscribed from both my accounts ;-> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God.. Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr "When your hiding 29 you know it ain't a crime to burn a little brighter now"--Marillion, "Torch Song" From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri May 9 23:50:10 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:50:10 +0800 Subject: HW: 1 of 211 Message-ID: > I'll buy anything which hasn't been issued before once. But not twice. As for > honest realeses if it doesn't include Ghost Dance, masters of the unvierse > (usaly together in the compliation so irgnore ones like out take and intake) Do not ignore Out & Intake, this is an official album with lots of original material, along the same lines as Palace Springs & Zones, but better. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri May 9 23:53:37 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:53:37 +0800 Subject: HW: 1 of 211 Message-ID: langner timothy wrote: > > Alan said: > >You all are probably familiar with Hawkwind and BOC in intimate detail - I'm > >not > > So what! I'm a hawk fan and only know what I've reading record collector and > here so. You don't have to know a lot to dicuess hawkwind, just need an > opinion and/or question which someone else can answer. > > >Can anyone provide me with a list of the "honest releases?" > > I'll buy anything which hasn't been issued before once. But not twice. As for > honest realeses if it doesn't include Ghost Dance, masters of the unvierse > (usaly together in the compliation so irgnore ones like out take and intake) > or Duglos in the jungle, may be sliver machine (live) in it as well then it's > usualy the companies which don't give hawkwidn royalties. Dealing with the > devil may be in there as well or earth calling. I hope they do nail the > companies but not before I've got a copy of every song, at least once. > > Was the Sameri Antohgogy 3 volume (1986) realise offical? Or the castle mausic > collection (and hawkwind signed up to them later on) > > And what about the CD collection feautring songs from hawkwind's ficknife > recordings? And the flicknife singles issued in early 80s How did that come > about while hakwind were singed to RCA? > > And how did out take and in take come about because it featured songs from the > past. Does any one know when these sogns were recorded? Further to all that, the Flicknife material was official. The Anthology stuff is the main offenders in the pirating market, as it is this material which is rereleased continually. William From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat May 10 05:29:01 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 03:29:01 -0600 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > Alan Wrote: > Can anyone provide me with a list of the "honest releases?" I feel pretty stupid, and you're all probably saying "yep!" :-) > > alan, > It's only from Management that any of us know which is which. And that info. is passed on through this list. Your question is exactly the response that was hoped for by Hawkwind I believe. An awareness and concern over valid CD release's, and knowing what not to buy. you can bet the list will be all over this list for a while after it's posted. Stay tuned. And we will all know the "honest release's". Definetly not a stupid question. > > Dane Nicely put, Dane:) I, as mentioned before am fairly new to HW as well. I do have almost all on tape-but am interested in CD as well. It'll be nice to know this info too!! Thanx!! PAm -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:55:50 +0100 (BST) From: langner timothy <96163497 at brookes.ac.uk> Subject: Re: HW: 1 of 211 William said: >Do not ignore Out & Intake, this is an official album with lots of >original material, along the same lines as Palace Springs & Zones, but >better. What I ment was One and Intake was a noffical realise so although it has Ghsot Dance and other tracks by various people realted to ahwkwidn it is a ofical relaise. Timothy Langner From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Sat May 10 06:37:32 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 03:37:32 -0700 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 -Reply Message-ID: Hi! >Nicely put, Dane:) I, as mentioned before am fairly new to >HW as well. *Just* to clarify a leetle point that I may have miscommunicated. I'm not new to Hawkwind - I've been collecting their records since around 1974; most of my stuff is vinyl. I had such difficulty finding anything by them for many years (before CDs came out) and I sortof gave up, thinking they had broken up, and having no way of knowing or learning anything about them (or maybe it was that I just wasn't very resourceful!) I was blown away a few years back when I looked at CDs and found *millions* of titles - I was completely overwhelmed, and started collecting again (either replacing albums or buying new collections if it looked like I didn't have most of the songs). I try to "push" Hawkwind on everyone I meet who is into music, and one guy who liked what he heard told me the were coming in concert (this was several years back) to a San Jose, CA night club. I went, and it was the best show I've ever been to. It was also affirmation that the band was still alive and well (BTW, a band called "Galactic Zoo" opened for them - very Hawkwind-like - anyone ever hear of them?). So really, I'm not new to Hawkwind - I'm just not as well informed (or as well-stocked with material!) as many of you seem to be. Sorry if I misconveyed. Seeya! Alan From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 10 09:44:53 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:44:53 +0300 Subject: HW: Dark sun. Message-ID: >Henrik write. >At last, the finnish hawk has landed - DARK SUN with their debut-cd FEED >YOU MIND. > Hi, I heard today that cd not out yet, there seems to be some problem whit cover. So they still flying! Miikka From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat May 10 10:09:09 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:09:09 +0200 Subject: HW: Dark sun. Message-ID: Miikka Wagner wrote: > > >Henrik write. > >At last, the finnish hawk has landed - DARK SUN with their debut-cd FEED > >YOU MIND. > > > > Hi, > > I heard today that cd not out yet, there seems to be some problem whit cover. > So they still flying! At least the cover on my CD looks OK! Strange isn?t it? The CD is once again spining in my Hi-Fi and I still think it?s more or less a hit-CD, if such things happens in this genre. Keep on searching Miikka, I?m sure you will get one soon. Vanda isn?t that far from Sundsvall if you care for preview and a few beers :-)) . > > Miikka All the best Henrik -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 10 15:35:13 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:35:13 -0400 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: > William said: > >Do not ignore Out & Intake, this is an official album with lots of > >original material, along the same lines as Palace Springs & Zones, but > >better. > > What I ment was One and Intake was a noffical realise so although it has Ghsot > Dance and other tracks by various people realted to ahwkwidn it is a ofical > relaise. Out and intake is strictly hawkwind. there are no relatation bands on the album. it is not a compilation. it is a legitimate and recommended album that was recorded as such. the 'common' tracks found here are as far as i can tell, different versions than those found on the various comps. a couple of the tracks appear on the 'good' compilation 'night of the hawks.' do not reject this album (cd)! rj (also, do not let the opening track [turner point] scare you away. it only lasts a couple of minutes, then its over.) > Timothy Langner From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 10 15:38:18 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:38:18 -0400 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 -Reply Message-ID: > *Just* to clarify a leetle point that I may have miscommunicated. > I'm not new to Hawkwind - I've been collecting their > records since around 1974; most of my stuff is vinyl. > I had such difficulty finding anything by them for many > years (before CDs came out) and I sortof gave up, > thinking they had broken up, and having no way of > knowing or learning anything about them (or maybe it > was that I just wasn't very resourceful!) it seems a significant protion of HW's fan-base are under the same impression. many that i spoke to when i was a mamber of aol, in the chat rooms, were shocked to discover that they were still a band. rj From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sat May 10 16:36:04 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:36:04 +0100 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: >Out and intake is strictly hawkwind. It is a legitimate and recommended album >that was recorded as such. the 'common' tracks found here are as far as i can >tell, different versions than those found on the various comps. So were all the tracks recorded in 1987? Because Nick turner had left the band by then. If it was earilyer when was ghost dance recorded? And does any one know anything about the version which appeared on the anthgology collection. Where it was from? Surly if there is odd bits of hawk live tracks issued by these not paying compnaies there must be more from master tapes. Perphaps hawkwind should clean some of these up and issue the songs themselevs because some of these are actualy quite good. Eg. Ghost Dance (anolgythy), masters of the universe (one on text of festivals). Timothy Langner From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun May 11 00:31:29 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:31:29 +0800 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: langner timothy wrote: > > >Out and intake is strictly hawkwind. It is a legitimate and recommended album > >that was recorded as such. the 'common' tracks found here are as far as i can > >tell, different versions than those found on the various comps. > > So were all the tracks recorded in 1987? Because Nick turner had left the band > by then. If it was earilyer when was ghost dance recorded? > Nik Turner had rejoined the band at this time. It was recorded sometime around the same period as Choose Your Masques and the Night of the Hawks video. > And does any one know anything about the version which appeared on the > anthgology collection. Where it was from? Surly if there is odd bits of hawk > live tracks issued by these not paying compnaies there must be more from > master tapes. Perphaps hawkwind should clean some of these up and issue the > songs themselevs because some of these are actualy quite good. Eg. Ghost > Dance (anolgythy), masters of the universe (one on text of festivals). > It would probably be a live recording from around that time as well. I know a lot of the live stuff is from the Weird Tapes. William > Timothy Langner From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun May 11 01:08:19 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:08:19 -0400 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: > >Out and intake is strictly hawkwind. It is a legitimate and recommended album > >that was recorded as such. the 'common' tracks found here are as far as i can > >tell, different versions than those found on the various comps. > > So were all the tracks recorded in 1987? Because Nick turner had left the band > by then. If it was earilyer when was ghost dance recorded? i only know that the liner notes (short as they are) say that the album was recorded at a certain place and time (which i looked up last post, forget now, and don't feel like looking up right now.) > And does any one know anything about the version which appeared on the > anthgology collection. Where it was from? Surly if there is odd bits of hawk > live tracks issued by these not paying compnaies there must be more from > master tapes. Perphaps hawkwind should clean some of these up and issue the > songs themselevs because some of these are actualy quite good. Eg. Ghost > Dance (anolgythy), masters of the universe (one on text of festivals). im prbably wrong, but the ghost dance from the samurai anthology sounds (to memory) like the same version that appeared on the NotH video. i agree, hawkwind should stomp the comps and release only the best stuff, cleaned up as you say. but then we would have comp-comps and the completists would go bonkers. as for all these versions, maybe bernhard, jill, or mike will be able to clarify. they seem to know an awful lot about this stuff. rj > Timothy Langner From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 11 04:05:01 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:05:01 +0200 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: hi, this is (IMHO) _Out and Intake_ decoded: ---------------------------------------- Studio outtakes (from at least two different takings): Turner Point Cajun Jinx x Starflight x Ejection Assassins of Allah x Flight to Maputo x Confrontation x The liner notes on both vinyl and various CD's talks about "Recorded and Mixed at Rockfield Studios", while the compilation _Night of the Hawks_ (where "x" marked tracks appear on CD) tells us those tracks "was recorded at Rockfield in 1987" Rythm section on all tracks above (but the first and Starflight) is Davey/Thompson. Turner Point sounds different and has another lineup than the others, according to liner notes on the vinyl. Musicians is the somewhat strange combination of Brock/Bainbridge/Griffin/Thompson/Turner which might explain the strange track itself. I doubt this is recorded at the same time the others was. --------------------------------------- Live from unconfirmed date and venue, possibly Bristol - Colston Hall - 1982.10.31 - musicians: BR/BA/LL/GR/TU Waiting for Tomorrow Solitary Mind Games 5/4 Ghost Dance ***Codex Alert: first 20 secs of 5/4 is actually a turbo version of "The Scan", last 25 secs is same "Scan" in backword masking mode! --------------------------------------- CD only, and with Mike Moorcock guesting at London - Hammersmith Odeon - 1982.11.12 - musicians: BR/BA/LL/GR/TU/MO Coded Languages Warrior of the Edge of Time ---------------------------------------------- According to the Codex, none of these versions appear elsewhere than the five tracks on the _NotH_ compilation. This item is "original" the same way _Zones_ is it, and I classify both releases as "Main Items". The "Town - Venue - Date" and musician things above is stolen form the work of Bernhard, and the Codex information originates from - as you know - Edinburgh. best - \\joe From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun May 11 05:02:01 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:02:01 +0200 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: Hello For more informations about live tracks on records / CD's, have a look at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/live.txt OUT & INTAKE CD - Turner Point (live 1982, middle part of Social Alliance) - Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) - Cajun Jinx (studio) - Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) - Starflight (studio) - Ejection (studio) - Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) - Flight To Maputo (studio) - Confrontation (studio) - 5/4 (studio) - Ghost Dance (live 1982) - Coded Languages (live London 12.11.1982) - Warrior On The Edge Of Time (live London 12.11.1982) Most of the 1982 live tracks could be either from Bristol 31.10.1982 or London 12.11.1982 The GHOST DANCE version from the HAWKFAN 12 record is from Sheffield 27.11.1984 like a couple of tracks from the UNDISCOLSED FILES CD Most tracks from the ZONES record and DO NOT PANIC record are either from London 18.12.1980 or Bristol 31.10.1982 Bernhard From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun May 11 05:13:47 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:13:47 +0100 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: Hi Thanks for the info. I always thought turner point, ghost dance and Hassan I sahba were studio. Ghost dance certainly sounded a bit studio with the drums. Bernhard said: >- Turner Point (live 1982, middle part of Social Alliance) ... >Most of the 1982 live tracks could be either from Bristol 31.10.1982 or >London 12.11.1982 Weren't tracks from Bristol issued on Zones? If so Turner Point might be from London because I didn't think it was the same as the Zones one (from memory) Bernhard said: >Most tracks from the ZONES record and DO NOT PANIC record are either from >London 18.12.1980 or Bristol 31.10.1982 I read on one of the lists (can't remeber which one it was a while ago now) that Stone henege was Bristol, london and stonehenge. However lsitneing to it I can't work out whihc ones are from Bristol. Are any from there? Timothy Langner From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun May 11 14:14:38 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:14:38 +0200 Subject: HW / BOC: NY Festival in August Message-ID: >Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:13:27 -0400 >From: Jim Lascko >Reply-To: jmfinity at harborcom.net >Organization: "STRANGE TRIPS" >To: Bernhard Pospiech >Subject: Re: HW US tour >References: <3.0.32.19970511105210.006a2568 at mail.castrop->rauxel.netsurf.de> >Hello Bernhard! >The plan is for them to finish up the festival, so they would only play >once on Sunday night. I am working on getting Buck Dharma (from Blue >Oyster Cult) to play with his band. Spread the word to other Hawkfans! >Jim From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun May 11 14:34:17 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:34:17 -0500 Subject: out&intake In-Reply-To: <199705110913.KAA21743@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 May 1997, langner timothy wrote: > I always thought turner point, ghost dance and Hassan I sahba were studio. So did I. Definitely Ghost and Hassan are studio, right? Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 11 15:59:51 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:59:51 +0200 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: At 11:02 1997-05-11 +0200, Bernhard wrote: >Hello > > >For more informations about live tracks on records / CD's, have a look at: > >http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/live.txt > > >OUT & INTAKE CD > >- Turner Point (live 1982) >- Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) >- Cajun Jinx (studio) >- Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) >- Starflight (studio) >- Ejection (studio) >- Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) >- Flight To Maputo (studio) >- Confrontation (studio) >- 5/4 (studio) >- Ghost Dance (live 1982) [cd extras left out, because now I'm talking vinyl only] The Out and Intake vinyl has an inner sleeve with a quite good list on who appeared on which track. This list isn't available on either of the CD's I have (griffin and dojo) and it goes like this: (Ejection is A6, Hassan is B1) Dave Brock: voc, gtr, k'board, synth Harvey Bainbridge: voc, k'board, bass, perc Huw Lloyd-Langton: voc, lead gtr on A2,4 + B1,3,4,5 Alan Davey: voc, bass on A3,6 + B1,2,3 Danny Thompson: drums, balloon on A1,3,6 + B1,2,3 Martin Griffin: drums on A1,2,4 + B4,5 Nik Turner: sax on A1,2 Paul Cobbold: organ on A2 I decode the above information as Brock and Bainbridge appears on every track on the record, and engineer/producer Cobbold has added himself on the track "Waiting for Tomorrow". The other musicians will appear as follows: - Turner Point (live 1982) GR TH TU - Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) LL GR TU - Cajun Jinx (studio) DA TH - Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) LL GR - Starflight (studio) - Ejection (studio) DA TH - Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) LL DA TH - Flight To Maputo (studio) DA TH - Confrontation (studio) LL DA TH - 5/4 (studio) LL GR - Ghost Dance (live 1982) LL GR There is a slight pattern here, Griffin and Lloyd-Langton plays together, so are Davey and Thompson. Griffin left at the end of '82 and both Thompson and Davey entered the ship at Stonehenge Festival '84. 1) If the track "Turner Point" is live, the inner sleeve list must be wrong, as it claims both Griffin and Thompson played drums and/or balloon. On the other hand, if the inner sleeve is correct - "Turner Point" must be studio. I don't know anything about Griffin's studio career in Hawkwind post 1982, nor is my profession Hawkwind Live Tapes - so I can't say anything here. 2) I assumed if WfT, SMG and GD was live tracks, it was likely the fourth Griffin/Lloyd-Langton track should be live too (of course taken from the same night, same venue). So if I was wrong, from when and where does "The Scan-5/4" studio outtake originate? Is it _Choose Your Masques_ era? (live 1982 would have fitted well, but on the other hand Hawkwind has not exactly been a structured puzzle through the years) >Bernhard \\joe From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun May 11 16:04:28 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 06:04:28 +1000 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul Message-ID: Greetings all, Yesterday, I went to a quite good record fair, and amongst all the other things, I bought Amon Duul's album Wolf City. I've heard quite a few of their songs on various compilations, Space Daze, Space Box, etc., and I've also got a compilation of theirs, too. From what I know of them, they evolved from a kind of hippy freak out band, to a tight psychedelic outfit, then went off to disco realms. Wolf City is very very good, and the question I'd like to ask, is what other albums are similar to this/worth buying? Also, is it still possible to get Die Losung? Thanks, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun May 11 16:35:35 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:35:35 +0100 Subject: Amon Duul Message-ID: Max asked about Amon Duul: Originally, Amon Duul was a hippy commune in Munich, Germany, which did hippy-commune-type things, and made some music too. Eventually, some of the more musically-minded split to become Amon Duul 2, releasing _Phallus Dei_ - and around then, those left in Amon Duul released some freak-out stuff as _Psychedelic Underground_, which was was followed by some other percussion-heavy freak-out albums. But since, as Julian Cope put it, you just needed a spliff and a pair of maraccas and you were in, the musical quality is a bit iffy. But the real stuff was going on with AD2 - and their best albums followed: _Yeti_, _Dance of the Lemmings_, _Carnival in Babylon_, _Wolf City_, _Vive la Trance_. Amon Duul made a proper studio album, _Paradieswarts Duul_, which is also excellent. I'd recommend all these unreservedly. (There's also two live albums from this period, _Live in London_, and the more recent BBC _Live in Concert_, which some people have slammed for being a bit rough, but I think are still pretty good.) Around 1975, things started to go wrong with Amon Duul 2. Although _Hijack_ and _Made in Germany_ have some very good stuff on them, the primal punk side began to fade, to be increasingly replaced by a prog-fusion-Europop sound; and the later 70's albums are frankly a bit dodgy. The "Amon Duul UK" albums, by John Weinzierl and Dave Anderson, are also of variable quality. Some of these have recently been reissued in nice digipaks by the French label, Spalax, so they might yet re-issue _Die Loesung_ (which featured Bob Calvert, of course) in that format - but even though you sometime see copies around of the Castle original, I believe it's out of print. Amon Duul 2's two new albums, _Nada Moonshine #_ and _Live in Tokyo_, made since they reformed in '95, are both worth checking out; but pick up the early albums from their great days first. See more on my Amon Duul 2 page: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham/ad2.htm. - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3365 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun May 11 17:54:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:54:11 +0200 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ BOClay? Message-ID: More news; In an upcoming Czechian (sp?) movie with animated clay-figures BOC will play the theme -a brand new composition which lyrics deals with the usual stuff that small children like (i.e aliens, gore, french poetry and guitars). Rumour says the song-title is Godotzilla and it's probably Godzilla reworked... ...but that still has to be confirmed... mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun May 11 17:56:47 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:56:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul Message-ID: Max inquires about the 2nd greatest band in history (IMHO)... > Yesterday, I went to a quite good record fair, and amongst all the >other things, I bought Amon Duul's album Wolf City. I've heard quite a >few of their songs on various compilations, Space Daze, Space Box, etc., >and I've also got a compilation of theirs, too. > From what I know of them, they evolved from a kind of hippy freak out >band, to a tight psychedelic outfit, then went off to disco realms. Wolf >City is very very good, and the question I'd like to ask, is what other >albums are similar to this/worth buying? Also, is it still possible to >get Die Losung? Well, as Andy has already mentioned, most of the contemporary ADII albums of the 'Wolf City period' (ie., 1970-75) were very good. I'd say, though, that Wolf City is my favourite of the bunch. 'Dance of the Lemmings', 'Made in Germany' (now available in it's original 2LP format on CD - Repertoire), 'Carnival in Babylon', and the spin-off band 'Utopia' album are also definitely worth picking up. These are available from various places...mainly Repertoire (GR), Spalax (FR), Captain Trip (JP), and finally Mantra (FR) for the earlier, dodgier releases. Often, each album has been released several times...check Andy's page for more details. Other ADII fans really rate 'Yeti' highly, although I don't see it as being on the par with the albums from the next couple of years. Lemmingmania (a comp. with four rare B-sides - good ones too!), available from Cap'n Trip only, the Milestones double disc comp. (Castle-Holland release), or the new Purple Pyramid (Cleopatra) 'Best of..' are all good intros to the band, and are mainly from this classic period. The latter is the only US release I believe, although I think the BBC Radio 1 Live might have been distributed here. It's only OK though, and probably already hard to find. I have every (original) release they've ever put out, including the UK stuff from the 80's (mixed results), so at least I think that this stuff is worth having. Meetings w/ menmachines and Fool Moon are doubtful, though...Julie Waring's voice is pretty ghastly, other than in 'space whisper' mode. Fool Moon is unknown people, with the exception of Ozrics and Groundhogs members...no ADII members whatsoever. Die Losung is alright, interesting for Calvert's performance mainly. The two instrumental/ improv-type tracks 'One Moment's Anger...' and 'Olaf...where's my $20,000?' (I believe a remake of a VDGG track?) from 'Hawk meets Penguin', and the otherwise useless compilation 'Airs on a Shoestring', respectively, are the two most interesting pieces from 80's ADII (eventually becoming only AD with no II). But as Andy said, no need to be concerned with this stuff until you've filled up your collection with pre-1976 stuff. As far as the late 70's Stefan Zauner era is concerned, you'd be better off finding his 1978 solo album 'Prism & Views' than going for any of the Pyragony/Almost Alive/Only Human trilogy, although I think this stuff is better than what most people give it credit. 1981's 'Vortex', a confused reunion of sorts, is a hit-and-miss affair, with two or three real winners ("Holy West" is one of them) but with some forgettable stuff as well. Keith H. (FAA) From stretch at GOT.NET Sun May 11 18:19:10 1997 From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:19:10 -0700 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 Message-ID: >Alan wrote: >I try to "push" Hawkwind on everyone I meet who is into >music, and one guy who liked what he heard told me they >were coming in concert (this was several years back) >to a San Jose, CA night club. I went, and it was the >best show I've ever been to. It was also affirmation that >the band was still alive and well (BTW, a band called >"Galactic Zoo" opened for them - very Hawkwind-like - >anyone ever hear of them?). I can tell you about the band, as I know them well. I'll even give you the secret inside story about Galactic Zoo. I was a long-time fan of Hawkwind at that time (still am) and also knew the owner of the club they performed at, One Step Beyond in Santa Clara which is next to San Jose. I asked Stan (owner) if I could open for Hawkwind, and he asked me if I had a band. I said I'd create one and that we'd be a good opener, and he agreed. I literally didn't have a band for this, so I found some friends who I sorta knew, along with a couple of co-workers, and a girlfriend who sang. The guitarist and bassist had performed together, and I had been playing drums for a few years in a surf band (still do), and we had the co-workers (non-musicians!) diddle on keyboards while we played 3 long Pink Floyd-ish jams, complete with rented smoke machine and my day-glo green earrings! We only "practiced" about 2-3 hours prior to this show, and we managed to learn 'Steppenwolf' and have my girlfriend (a real singer) sing in Robert Calvert's place. I got my influence by watching Pink Floyd's video LIVE AT POMPEII. I think it went quite well all things considered, and I had it captured on video for historical sake. It was truly a one-shot gig, and it is a fond memory for me to know I opened for Hawkwind. Harvey was quite gracious, because he ended up with oil from the smoke machine all over his keyboards and he didn't get mad about it!! There you have all the secrets about Galactic Zoo. The name, by the way, came from a 1972 album title by Arthur Brown. Stretch (drummer and happy man!) From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Sun May 11 18:54:28 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:54:28 -0400 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla/ BOClay? Message-ID: That is radical news, its not transformers, but I'll look for it. Thanks! Teri From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sun May 11 20:17:31 1997 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:17:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Alien 4 Mystery Prize? Message-ID: So, does anyone know what the mystery prize mentioned in the Alien 4 booklet is? Has anyone sent in any of their best captions? -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sun May 11 21:26:36 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:26:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim Blake's Waterfalls In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at May 8, 97 07:06:22 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Jill writes: > > > However if it *is* an official production then it argues that there > > ought to be a Master Tape somewhere and maybe this could be re-mastered > > to get a cleaner sound. > > Maybe the master tape is a cassette tape originating from someone who > recorded the gig on a walkman in the audience? (That's what Venom's > _Official Bootleg_ sounds like.) In that case, I wouldn't hold my breath > for a massive increase in sound quality... :-) Oh, c'mon. EMI made Doremi sound like it had been recorded in a studio, with real equipment, instead of underwater with a Walkman[tm], like we all know it was really done. ;-) Therefore, anything is possible. Steve From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sun May 11 22:37:12 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:37:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Alien 4 Mystery Prize? In-Reply-To: <199705120017.RAA25953@kelly.teleport.com> Message-ID: At 17:17 11/05/97 -0700, you wrote: >So, does anyone know what the mystery prize mentioned in the Alien 4 booklet >is? Has anyone sent in any of their best captions? Check out the Alien 4 album page on the hawkwind.com site. The caption the band liked most is on there. . can't tell what the secret prize was though:) Star Rats =================================================== WWW Site Design | DC Web Design PERL Programming | www.io.com/~daleweb Internet Consultants | E-mail:daleweb at io.com =================================================== From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon May 12 05:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:00:00 +0100 Subject: HW: tour In-Reply-To: Star Rats' mail of Fri, 9 May 97 15:15 -0500 Message-ID: That's some tour! Any news on the Edinburgh and Glasgow dates? I'm slightly worried because these are still "to be advised". Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 12 05:06:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:06:25 +0800 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: QUEST wrote: > > On Sun, 11 May 1997, langner timothy wrote: > > I always thought turner point, ghost dance and Hassan I sahba were studio. > > So did I. Definitely Ghost and Hassan are studio, right? > I believe they all are. They're too clean for live recordings. William From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon May 12 04:53:55 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:53:55 +0100 Subject: Need Help from Across the Pond In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 May 1997 10:00:37 MDT." Message-ID: I saw Extinct Instinct in our local HMV store on saturday. It was 13.99 pounds which at the current rate is about $22. If you are interested then let me know, and I'll think up some stuff I want from the US side of the pond. Tim From micci at SCI.FI Mon May 12 05:43:55 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:43:55 +0300 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul Message-ID: >Also, is it still possible to >get Die Losung? > Hi, Yes, at least cd reissue is still available. (CDTB 115) Miikka From micci at SCI.FI Mon May 12 05:44:33 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:44:33 +0300 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: > > > >Bernhard said: >>- Turner Point (live 1982, middle part of Social Alliance) >... >>Most of the 1982 live tracks could be either from Bristol 31.10.1982 or >>London 12.11.1982 >> >Bernhard said: >>Most tracks from the ZONES record and DO NOT PANIC record are either from >>London 18.12.1980 or Bristol 31.10.1982 > > Hi, Adrian Parr discography says that recorded June and July 1982 and during 1986 at Rockfield Studios. Also live Choose Your Masques tour 1982.. Miikka From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 12 04:43:24 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:24 +0100 Subject: HW: out&intake In-Reply-To: <19970510193629948.AAA102@hawk2> Message-ID: In message <19970510193629948.AAA102 at hawk2>, Ron Jennings writes >(also, do not let the opening track [turner point] scare you away. it >only lasts a couple of minutes, >then its over.) I really like "Turner Point", go figure! -- Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon May 12 06:20:06 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:20:06 +0200 Subject: OFF: Alasdair Macdonald Message-ID: Hi Alasdair I have problems to send you e-mails (email-address unknow) Please get in contact again! Bernhard From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon May 12 09:18:20 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:18:20 +0200 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: hi I've got a nice little problem, I have just bought Captured Rotation and White Zone -and I don't know where to put them in my CD-case... I have sorted my CDs in an alphabetical order (wow, that is really original!) and now I don't know if Captured Rotation should sort under the letter "D" (as in Davey) or under "H" (as in Hawkwind)... I meen, this is "almost" a HW CD... and it definitely sounds more like HW than "White Zone" which I think should be sorted under "H" and not under "P"... but if I put Captured in the "H" section, then I must move Calvert from "C"... blah blah blah blah... It isn't a very interesting thread, is it ;-) mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 12 09:11:05 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:11:05 +0800 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: > > In message <19970510193629948.AAA102 at hawk2>, Ron Jennings > writes > >(also, do not let the opening track [turner point] scare you away. it > >only lasts a couple of minutes, > >then its over.) > > I really like "Turner Point", go figure! > I also really like it. A friend of mine who knew I was a fan, but had never heard them, asked me round with some CD's. I had only recently purchased Out & Intake, so I took it along. His own musical taste was more like McCartney, Crowded House & Elvis Costello. As soon as he heard Turner Point, he commented that it was really wierd, & that he had never heard anything like it in his life! He never told me what he really thought of it, though!!! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 12 09:24:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:24:25 +0800 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > hi > > I've got a nice little problem, I have just bought Captured Rotation > and White Zone -and I don't know where to put them in my CD-case... > I have sorted my CDs in an alphabetical order (wow, that is really > original!) and now I don't know if Captured Rotation should sort under > the letter "D" (as in Davey) or under "H" (as in Hawkwind)... > I meen, this is "almost" a HW CD... and it definitely sounds more like > HW than "White Zone" which I think should be sorted under "H" and not under > "P"... but if I put Captured in the "H" section, then I must move Calvert > from "C"... blah blah blah blah... > It isn't a very interesting thread, is it ;-) > I tend to sort my CD's into the order of type of music, or where there may be significant links, such as Amon Duul next to Robert Calvert(which is next to all the other HW & solo material), King Crimson next to UK, ELP, and so on. I guess you could say they are all in the order of "whoever, Friends & Relations" Sometimes though you do get very drastic crossovers! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 12 09:28:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:28:25 +0800 Subject: OFF: Please vote Message-ID: Hi all This is an email which I recieved, which I think is worth responding to! > >> > This is important, those of you with multiple email addresses, please > >> > respond from all of them... > >> > > >> >Professor Joan Cocks (Politics) sent me an email that I think you will > >> >want to respond to immediately. To save space I've edited the message = > >> >down to the heart of the matter, but I'm sure you'll get the point. > >> > > >> >We have understood that a few Neo-Nazi groups are trying to create > >> >again) a usenet group where they want to keep in contact with each > >> >other regarding their activities. I believe it is not necessary to > >> >dwell further on these activities. > >> > > >> >The group is rec.music.white-power > >> > > >> >To create such a group, they have to win a referendum that is > >> >always organised when a new usenet group is created. > >> >All persons with an email address, and only those, can vote in > thisreferendum. > >> > > >> >It is IMPORTANT to vote only once, otherwise the vote is cancelled. > >> > > >> >To prevent the creation of this group, you have to: > >> > > >> >>>> >>1. Send this message to people you know > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>2. Send an email to the following address: > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> music-vote at sub-rosa.com > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> with as contents (not 'subject') ONLY the following line: > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> I vote NO on rec.music.white-power > >> >>>> >> > >> >Since the vote is automatic, it is IMPORTANT to send the exact line > >> >as it is given above, without adding anything, not even a name. > >> >And please send it only once or it becomes invalid ! Also, PLEASE FORWARD > >> >THIS LETTER TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WITH AN E-MAIL ADDRESS TO PREVENT THE > >> >GROUP FOUNDERS FROM CREATING THIS GROUP. > > > > > > > From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 10:16:41 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:16:41 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: >alan writes: >most of my stuff is vinyl. >I was blown away a few years back when I looked at >CDs and found *millions* of titles I too have (had) a massive HW vinyl collection. When CD's first began to trickle out, HW like many bands weren't well represented. Collections/Best of's became very common, because this new medium was untested, maybe it would go over well. When stuff did begin to come out, much of it was inferior to the LP release, i. e. bogus cover art reproduction, no lyrics, shoddy mastering to CD, lost tracks. That again it made buying difficult. Then after you buy all the bands stuff it gets re-released in much better packaging (Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, and on and on) HW is now going through this renaissance, the EMI remasters are awesome, basically. The whole back catalog is getting a facelift for the most part. Newbies or hesitant buyers are lucky as the stuff coming out nowadays is better than the first round of releases. Which is why I will give anyone the import copy of Levitation the one w/o Nucleaur Toy on it for the price of postage. Dane Stupid Remark concerning what I am listening to: FSOL-Dead Cities From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon May 12 09:53:01 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:53:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Please vote In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 May 1997 21:28:25 +0800." <33771AF9.F4247999@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: < vote for neo-nazi whatevers newsgroup deleted > Bloody hell, we only had this a couple of weeks back ! - forget it, its ancient history - get back to discussing the important Out&Intake navel gazing issues Tim From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 10:19:24 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 07:19:24 -0700 Subject: HW- out&intake Message-ID: >Do not ignore Out & Intake, this is an official album with lots of original material Doesn't it also have a passing nod to Bob Calvert's death, which is why they performed some of his stuff over? Dane From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon May 12 10:51:07 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:51:07 +0800 Subject: OFF: Please vote (&back to Out&Intake) Message-ID: bart wrote: > > < vote for neo-nazi whatevers newsgroup deleted > > > Bloody hell, we only had this a couple of weeks back ! > > - forget it, its ancient history > - get back to discussing the important Out&Intake navel gazing issues > OOOPPPSSS!!! I didn't notice it last time round. I must have been deluged with mail back then. On the subject of Out&Intake, etc., would every one agree that most of the material for Zones is from around the same period then? I always look at these two, along with Palice Springs, as the album you release when you don't have an album. I'm not saying they aren't good. In many ways they are actually better than some of their proper LP's. Also, I have read somewhere that Back in the Box and Treadmill are also live. Once more, they sound too good to be true. What do others think? William From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 12 11:09:03 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:09:03 +0100 Subject: HW- out&intake Message-ID: >Doesn't it also have a passing nod to Bob Calvert's death, which is why they performed some of his stuff over? _Out & Intake_ is from 1987. Calvert died in 1988. I don't think so! OTOH, "Flight to Maputo" might be about Samora Machel. - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1978 bytes Desc: not available URL: From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon May 12 11:29:39 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:29:39 CDT Subject: OFF: Amon Duul Message-ID: As a matter of fact, I've got a copy I could part with, for $ or trade. Please get in touch if interested. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, May 12, 1997 4:47 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: OFF: Amon Duul >Also, is it still possible to >get Die Losung? > Hi, Yes, at least cd reissue is still available. (CDTB 115) Miikka From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 12 10:51:19 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:51:19 +0100 Subject: HW 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Dane Carlson writes > >Which is why I will give anyone the import copy of Levitation the one w/o >Nucleaur Toy on it for the price of postage. > What? I have never seen Levitation *with* Nuclear Toy! My CD is Castle Communication label - I think I saw a Japanese import once but couldn't work out from what I could see whether it contained NT. Mark Edmonds From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Mon May 12 12:11:36 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:11:36 -0700 Subject: Galactic Zoo (was Re: HW- 1 of 211) Message-ID: Oh man! This is about the most amazing thing I've read in a while! Thanks for this info! >the club they performed at, >One Step Beyond in Santa Clara which is next to San Jose. Yep! >I asked Stan (owner) if I could open for Hawkwind, and he asked me if I had a >band. I said I'd create one and that we'd be a good opener, and he agreed. That's amazing - didn't Hawkwind have any say in it? I got there on time, but my friend, who had the tickets, arrived late. I was listening to you guys from outside, fuming, thinking it was Hawkwind and that I was missing them! But I'd not heard any of the songs, and the more I listened, the more I realized you weren't Hawkwind. Still, very nice! >we managed to learn 'Steppenwolf' and have my >girlfriend (a real singer) sing in Robert Calvert's place. I was amazed at that one - she must be a very interesting person! She had on that half-wolf/half business suit costume, and was prancing around turning sideways so she looked completely like one or the other from the right angle. I think I remember the glowing earrings, but I think I also remember the bass player in a top hat who seemed either asleep or completely zoned, but was doing a great job. >I think it went quite well all things considered Me too - so much so that I kept asking around and looking at stores for Galactic Zoo albums, you &^%$#! :-) >and I had it captured on video for historical sake. Did you get Hawkwind too, or just you guys? Either way, any chance of getting a copy of that tape??? >it is a fond memory for me to know I opened for Hawkwind. I can imagine... Little tho I knew of them, I knew they kept changing bass players - and being one m'self, I always wanted to throw my hat in the ring to play with them for a while. Opening for them would be the next best thing tho! >Harvey was quite gracious, because he ended >up with oil from the smoke machine all over his keyboards and he didn't get >mad about it!! Wow. Perty amazing. >There you have all the secrets about Galactic Zoo. The name, >by the way, came from a 1972 album title by Arthur Brown. Ah - I could have sworn it was because one of Hawkwind's earlier names was "Hawkwind Zoo" and you guys were a "wannabe" band. Very interesting stuff! Thanks! (And if ever you get the inclination, let me know about that tape!) Alan From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 12:18:28 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:18:28 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: >Mark writes: >I have never seen Levitation *with* Nuclear Toy! My CD is Castle >Communication label that's the one I have I guess as well. The newer Griffen release has added track Nuclear Toy. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon May 12 12:14:59 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:14:59 -0400 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: >In article , Dane Carlson > writes >> >>Which is why I will give anyone the import copy of Levitation the one w/o >>Nucleaur Toy on it for the price of postage. >> > >What? I have never seen Levitation *with* Nuclear Toy! My CD is Castle >Communication label - I think I saw a Japanese import once but couldn't >work out from what I could see whether it contained NT. I've never seen it without. There were about a half dozen of them around here before Griffin went under, and they suddenly dissapeared. Personally, I could do without Nuclear Toy. The synth voice sounds *really* dated, and it clashes with the rest of the album. I always skip it. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon May 12 12:32:25 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:32:25 -0600 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > >alan writes: > >most of my stuff is vinyl. > >I was blown away a few years back when I looked at > >CDs and found *millions* of titles > > > > Which is why I will give anyone the import copy of Levitation the one w/o Nucleaur Toy on it for the price of postage. > > Dane > Dane I'll take that!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Does anyone know why the Church of Hawkwind CD messes up the track order of the LP? This really struck me as being a bit odd because the new track order destroys some neat segues in the original. Anyone shed any light on this? Mark Edmonds From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon May 12 08:28:38 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:28:38 +0000 Subject: BOC - More 'Zilla Message-ID: >Uh... Nick... I think that was humor, irony... c'mon, artists ? be >serious ! look at the smiley *grin* I know...It's just that I worry about some of you guys sometimes. [INSERT SMILEY GRIN HERE] --Nick From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Mon May 12 12:33:36 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:33:36 -0700 Subject: HW- 1 of 211 -Reply Message-ID: >>I sortof gave up, >> thinking they had broken up, and having no way of >> knowing or learning anything about them >it seems a significant protion of HW's fan-base are under the >same impression. many that i spoke to when i was a mamber of >aol, in the chat rooms, were shocked to discover that they were >still a band. >rj Well, maybe if Hawkwind would tour the SF Bay Area more, this problem wouldn't exist. On www.hawkwind.com, the theme of the interviews seems to be "we'd come, if there's money in it, but there's generally not, so we don't." I can't believe that. I go to "mundane" record stores like Tower and CD Warehouse, and not only do they carry plenty of Hawkwind, but the CDs they carry are constantly changing! (an indication to me that the CDs sell well and are always turning over.) There are either a lot of Hawkwind fans that shop only at the stores in my one-horse town, or the SF Bay Area is a good bet for a profitable show. Incidentally, "California Brainstorm" was (I think) recorded and produced by employees of KFJC, a very poplur college station here. (However, a TV-Guide "Jeer" to whoever wrote the liner notes, for slamming the opening act, whoever they were. That's a most unprofessional, unkind, and uncalled-for thing to do...) Alan From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 12:54:18 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:54:18 -0700 Subject: HW For Sale Message-ID: Ritual of the Solstice-Future Reconstructions Techno bands remix HW songs $10 I will pay US shipping From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon May 12 12:51:35 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:51:35 E Subject: I.C.U. Message-ID: Hi all, I just picked up I.C.U.-Defy on Radical Records the track list is as follows: ludicrous abyss "till the ting HERe On IN dead wrong play dead Anti-matter persona Non-Grata I.C.U. When the light appears murder me, I die carmen fruit radioactive Is this a good starting place? or is there a better place to begin? peace bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 13:23:39 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:23:39 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: Alan writes: >There are either a lot of Hawkwind fans that shop only at the stores in my >one-horse town, or the SF Bay Area is a good bet for a profitable show. Actually in the Concord area there used be two. Me and the other guy, my problem was learning when the other guy shopped so I could get there before him. Now Concord is a wasteland. You can wipe the dust from that copy of Space Ritual, Tower and Rasputins are worthless IMO. SF Bay Area is good for around 500-600 people at the gig. >However, a TV-Guide "Jeer" to whoever wrote the liner notes. they were pretty awful though...but putting it on CD, you are probably right. DAne From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Mon May 12 13:35:31 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:35:31 EDT Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise Message-ID: Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin of the track "Coleridge on the Enterprise" ? Lyrics for this song are contained in the (old) HW lyrics file, but I can't find any other mention of this track in the Codex or discography... MWood NP: _Out & Intake_ "Death to death and time and space!" From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon May 12 13:40:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:40:18 -0400 Subject: Chuch of Hawkwind track order Message-ID: I wish I knew why they did this, too. I find that the vinyl version is/was much superior to the CD version. And reprogramming the CD player to play 'em in the right order don't help much, due to the segues. I would love to see this one redone with the original track order and the bonus tracks being tacked on at the end. Betcha it'll never happen, though.... obCDplayer: Camel / Mirage Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Mark Edmonds[SMTP:mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Monday, May 12, 1997 10:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Chuch of Hawkwind track order Does anyone know why the Church of Hawkwind CD messes up the track order of the LP? This really struck me as being a bit odd because the new track order destroys some neat segues in the original. Anyone shed any light on this? Mark Edmonds From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon May 12 13:53:13 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:53:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise Message-ID: Hi there At 13:35 12.05.97 EDT, you wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin of the track >"Coleridge on the Enterprise" ? This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on 05.03.1989 (Calvert tribute gig) AFAIK this poem was performed never again Bernhard From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon May 12 19:33:05 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:33:05 BST Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: This will probably get me shot if I've got it wrong but if I put SORRY loudly at the beginning and E&OE prominently here as well and ask for anyone who finds errors to notify the list promptly then hopefully it won't be too bad. nohow - I've just done a trawl of the discography and these (I THINK) are most of the releases the band issued themselves (or gave permission for). There may well be some I've missed and/or some I've got wrong and if so I'm open to correction. As far as compilations are concerned generally anything that has Brian Tawn's intro or comments is official. Otherwise I haven't got a clue since many of the compilation albums listed were official only on their first release. Subsequent re-issues and takeovers, changes of labels and sales of rights have made them rather less bona fide. Apply to the band for an update I think! jill 1. Albums by Hawkwind (& Hawklords) ----------------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind (Liberty/UA) (re-released as ltd. edn. pic disk 1984 and re-mastered CD) 1971 In Search Of Space (UA) (orig. with foldout sleeve contained booklet: The Hawkwind Log. Spanish LP contains extra track - Silver Machine) (re-mastered CD) 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido (UA) (orig. contained Star Rats poster. The Japanese Version with gatefold cover and extra track: Silver Machine. (also remastered CD) 1972 Greasy Trucker's Party (UA) Master of the Universe Born To Go * this version of Born to Go was edited down for * the German single [not sure about this one!] 1991 The BBC Radio Disc CD (Windsong) 1973 Space Ritual Alive (Liberty/UA) (Live double album. Contained open-out sleeve) (also re-mastered CD) 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill (UA) (also re-mastered CD) 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' sleeve) (also Griffin remastered CD as part of a package) 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Charisma) (CD also issued by Griffin as part of a package) 1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) (Originally gatefold with poster. German re-release as part of Masterpiece series with different sleeve. UK re-release as part of Nice Price series.) 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm (Charisma) (With sleeve insert. German version comes with colour negatives of Hawkwind in concert.) CD 1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] [Original came with Pete Frame's Family Tree poster] CD 1978 Hawklords - (Charisma) (Released under Hawklords name due to band split and legal/contractual reasons. Some copies have a picture inner sleeve. There is also a version in a slightly different outer sleeve.) CD 1979 Hawkwind Live (Bronze) (British release as Live '79) CD 1980 Levitation (Bronze) (original release was on blue vinyl) CD 1981 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 * Cassette Release by CND [not sure about this one] 1981 Sonic Attack (RCA) CD 1982 Church of Hawkwind (RCA) [originally with booklet] 1994 Church of Hawkwind (Griffin) CD 1982 Choose Your Masques (RCA) CD 1982 Friends And Relations - Hawkwind (Flicknife) 1983 Friends And Relations II (Flicknife) (Twice Upon A Time) 1985 Friends And Relations III 1988 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] [compilation from all 3 Friends & Relations LP's] 1983 Zones (Flicknife) [also released as pic disk] 1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife) (live) [LP & EP] 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Flicknife) 1986 Live Chronicles (GWR) (live) 1994 Live Chronicles (Griffin) 2CD 1986 Hawkfan 12" (Hawkfan) (Also released on cassette with "Countdown" replaced by "Hawkfan 12") * Produced by Brian Tawn of "Hawkfan" [not strictly a band album but the proceeds went to Hawkwind stuff] 1986 Bristol Custom Bike Show (GWR) * Only two HW tracks Master Of The Universe Silver Machine [not sure about this one] 1986 Independent Days, Vol. I 10" (Flicknife) 1986 Independent Days, Vol. II (Flicknife) 1987 Out And Intake (Flicknife) (Picture inner sleeve) 1987 Hawkwind Box Set - The Official Picture Log Book (Flicknife) This contains picture discs (Covers) of * This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic * Chronicle of The Black Sword * Out & Intake plus a plain 12" disc containing an interview with Hawkwind also a biography booklet and button 1988 The Xenon Codex (GWR) (orig with stencil-cut foldout cover) CD 1988 Zones/Stonehenge CD (Flicknife) [contains Zones album and some tracks from Stonehenge album] 1988 Traveller's Aid Trust (with various artists) (Flicknife) 1990 Space Bandits (GWR) CD 1991 Palace Springs (GWR) (live) CD 1991 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords (CD with book) 1992 Live At Reading '86 CD (Raw Fruit) 1992 Electric Tepee [Double] (GWR) CD 1992 The Hawklords Live CD pic disc (Griffin) 1992 California Brainstorm CD 1993 Gimme Shelter [Rock CD 4 -track Charity compilation] Gimme Shelter [track by Hawkwind and Samantha Fox] 1993 Undisclosed Files (live 1984 and 1989) 1993 It Is The business of the Future to be Dangerous 1993 Decide Your Future EP 1994 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single & 12" EP (The Emergency Broadcast System) 1994 The Business Trip 2LP & CD (The Emergency Broadcast System) 1995 White Zone (By The Psychedelic Warriors) 1995 Area S4 EP 1995 Alien4 1996 Love In Space [2CD and double vinyl] *these tracks in a different order on vinyl. Compilations 1986 The Approved History of Hawkwind (Samurai Records) * Three record set, containing Hawkwind Anthology, * Vol. I, II, and III picture discs, along with an * 11,000 word history & discography booklet. [AFIK - I think these were originally legit issues - leastways Brock was involved in the composition of the Anthology and Brian Tawn did the booklet so I'm fairly sure they were genuine once. The reissues don't appear to be though for various complicated reasons] 1988 Spirit of the Age CD (Virgin) [the Charisma years] 1990 Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 LP (EMI) [I think this one] 1991 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD set [Castle Communications] 1992 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords CD (Cleopatra) [ltd ed. with bag] 1992 Tales From Atom Henge CD (Virgin) (Spirit of the Age re-issue + different tracks) 1994 25 Years On 4CD Set 1996 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples The 8 Weird Tapes ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Mon May 12 15:06:22 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:06:22 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: >Tower and Rasputins are worthless IMO. At one point, Tower had a machine that let you punch in a group's name and it would print all the available albums. I punched in "Hawkwind" and it listed about 4 albums - and they had at least 8 different albums on the shelf! I complained to one of the guys, and he ended up digging through the back room somewhere and came up with a list of CDs that they could order - at least 80 of them, I think. There were notations by each one, that indicated where these CDs could be purchased (only in Japan, only in Canada, or only in the US for example). I still have that list, somewhere.... So Tower isn't *totally* lame! Never been to Rasputin's. >they were pretty awful though...but putting it on CD, you are probably right. It must be cool to have a recording of a show you've seen! Still, I was especially upset by it because I had just seen a Slade/Ozzy show in SF (I've been a long-time Slade fan (old 70's stuff) and went just to see them). But it was such a mismatched billing that Slade was boo'd off the stage by the Ozzy crowd. I'm sure they thought Slade was "awful" just because of the mismatch thing... Seeya, Alan From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 12 17:06:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:06:03 -0400 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti captured rotation sounds like HW, but is not. it should be filed under davey in the hw related section. there is only one instrumentalist on the album. whitezone should be filed under p in HW related. it is the members of hw, but not performing as hw. from their own mouths- "we wanted to do something different, without following our usual path." it was not a surprise release by hw, like boc performing as soft white underbelly. dont mean to sound authoritive, just in a hurry. rj ---------- From: Daniel Wikdahl To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW; Problem Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 9:18 AM hi I've got a nice little problem, I have just bought Captured Rotation and White Zone -and I don't know where to put them in my CD-case... I have sorted my CDs in an alphabetical order (wow, that is really original!) and now I don't know if Captured Rotation should sort under the letter "D" (as in Davey) or under "H" (as in Hawkwind)... I meen, this is "almost" a HW CD... and it definitely sounds more like HW than "White Zone" which I think should be sorted under "H" and not under "P"... but if I put Captured in the "H" section, then I must move Calvert from "C"... blah blah blah blah... It isn't a very interesting thread, is it ;-) mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 ---------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 12 17:19:21 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:19:21 -0400 Subject: HW: out&intake Message-ID: sorry guys- wasn't slamming it. i was actually talking to some of the new fans on the list. im really indifferent to it myself, not wild about it but it doesn't bother me. BUT- if i'd never heard his saxxing before it might have frightened me a bit. ;) rj > > >(also, do not let the opening track [turner point] scare you away. it > > >only lasts a couple of minutes, > > >then its over.) > > > > I really like "Turner Point", go figure! > > > I also really like it. A friend of mine who knew I was a fan, but had > never heard them, asked me round with some CD's. I had only recently > purchased Out & Intake, so I took it along. His own musical taste was > more like McCartney, Crowded House & Elvis Costello. As soon as he heard > Turner Point, he commented that it was really wierd, & that he had never > heard anything like it in his life! > > He never told me what he really thought of it, though!!! > > William From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 12 17:22:27 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:22:27 -0400 Subject: Now HW: in Bay Area Message-ID: Dane & Alan converse: >>There are either a lot of Hawkwind fans that shop only at the stores in my >>one-horse town, or the SF Bay Area is a good bet for a profitable show. > >Actually in the Concord area there used be two. Me and the other guy, my problem was >learning when the other guy shopped so I could get there before him. Now Concord is >a wasteland. You can wipe the dust from that copy of Space Ritual, Tower and >Rasputins are worthless IMO. > >SF Bay Area is good for around 500-600 people at the gig. I just recently made my first ever trip to CA, spending the better part of a week there in the Bay Area (from Livermore to Palo Alto to Mt. Tam). Almost as much of a shock as the difference in weather was the difference in availability of cool discs. If you *ever* complain about difficulties in finding HW, space rock, and kraut rock CD's in the Bay Area, I'll come out there personally and slap you silly... :) I managed to limit my purchases to only 17 or so discs. I could've bought 50 more easily, and I've already got more than 800 CD's as it is. I spent most of one afternoon mesmerized in Amoeba's there in Berkeley, and also an extended spell in the nearby Rasputin's. The Tower store just around the corner was closed (that day only), as they were moving into the store next door. Just as well - my credit card had already taken a beating. Seriously, Amoeba alone has more CD's I'm interested in than all the stores I've been to in the entire midwest US over the past 8 years. Columbus has exactly nothing of any interest whatsoever to any spacerock fan, except maybe for Quarkspace. :) A few years' back, a couple stores carried some current things (Griffin releases), and a OneWay classic album release, but since then everything's dried up. The Best Buy megachain started out with a fair selection, but all of them have dwindled to nothing, and it's obvious they don't restock cool groups. Losers. The best CD store I've been to in these parts is Ear-X-tacy in Louisville, KY, but this place pales in comparison to Berkeley. The places up in Cleveland (My Generation and Time Traveller) aren't as good anymore as when I lived up there. I'm going to Baltimore next month, and hope to check out Of Sound Mind. But then they're more of a prog store I believe. The strange thing is that HW probably gets more fans for Cleveland shows than any other US city. Certainly more than 500-600...more like double last time (1995), even though it seemed a little empty in the spacious Agora (capacity 2,500 or so?) And their discs aren't easy to find there. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin - Hawkwind (I bought one the other day for $5, just so that someone else wouldn't buy it and be turned off HW. I figured that since it was used, Dave Anderson has already gotten his money from it. I haven't played it yet...matter of fact, I haven't heard the album in well over 5 years, and don't plan on it anytime soon. Now, I'll have to pick up a CD copy with the other cover to take one more off the market.) :) ObGDINoR: Nektar (Who can tell me what this abbreviation means? Should be apparent from context.) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 12 17:26:08 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:26:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Please vote (&back to Out&Intake) Message-ID: > On the subject of Out&Intake, etc., would every one agree that most of > the material for Zones is from around the same period then? look over yer old mail. bernhard and hawkjoe settled this with exact dates and places. it was 82 and 87 > I always look at these two, along with Palice Springs, as the album you > release when you don't have an album. I'm not saying they aren't good. > In many ways they are actually better than some of their proper LP's. palace springs is a great album! its live with studio magik worked on it. > Also, I have read somewhere that Back in the Box and Treadmill are also > live. Once more, they sound too good to be true. > What do others think? see above. the album is all live, but with studio overlay and re-re. rj > William From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 12 17:37:35 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:37:35 +0100 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: I have a simple CD filing system: The ones I'm playing a lot at any time are at the top. The ones I haven't played for ages are at the bottom. Works for me! :) - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bryan From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon May 12 17:55:36 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:55:36 -0700 Subject: Now HW- in Bay Area Message-ID: Keith writes: If you *ever* complain about difficulties in finding HW, space rock, and kraut rock CD's in the Bay Area, I'll come out there personally and slap you silly... :) >Amoeba's in Berkeley I can browse this store with $100 in credit and find nothing to buy, it used to be good, more proggy stuff, but lately I just don't know. Maybe I own to damn many CD's already. And they always play annoying music. >nearby Rasputin's. Has really changed of late. In email to Alan I mentioned this is a great store, it used to suck. Has Prog section, which doubled in the last year. However this is the Berkeley store, mine is the Concord store where alternative is all we care about. >The Tower store just around the corner. Don't wate your time. With all the better stores in spitting distance Tower seems to have given up. Maybe this new store will attempt to return to the once proud Tower selection. Again the Concord Tower has slacked off greatly. Has 4 HW CD's, never changes. Your lucky you didn't go south to San Jose, CD Wherehouse and Rasputins. A wealth of CD's. I guess I just like to buy online now. My CD needs are supplied by: Compact Disc Connection: (online-better selection on mainstream and Hawkwind and Space than most stores nearby, cheaper too.) Progtron: My local Prog man, always slow, but he's a great guy. SynPhonic: You want Prog, Greg's the man. No internet, but fast delivery. Dane From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 12 18:30:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:30:31 -0400 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: > I have a simple CD filing system: so do i. > The ones I'm playing a lot at any time are at the top. (in my case, that would be the coffee table, my desk, and the entertainment center.) > The ones I haven't played for ages are at the bottom. (i trade these in for credit at my local cd store. i have a shelf buried here somewhere for the ones i rarely hear but can't bring myself to sell.) then there is the bulk which gets listened to now and then. HW is all together, followed by relateds- in no particular order. yes, i like having to look for my discs. it often leads to the discovery of a cd i never would have thought to play. i know, its BHT added for freshness, but it works. =) rj > Works for me! :) > > - Andy > > > *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** > *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** > > From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon May 12 19:32:19 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:32:19 +1000 Subject: HW: Top Ten! Message-ID: Hi All. I must apologize for this, in advance, as it's rather overdone in many circles, but I'm bored. Max Wilcox's HW Top Ten Member with Least Sanity: Nik Turner Strangest Song: Good evening or Douglas in the Jungle Best Guitarist: Huw Lloyd-Langton Biggest Letdown: Chronicle of the Black Sword Least Talkative Member: Dave Brock Song Most Likely to inspire a drug overdose: Motorhead Best Lyricist: Bob Calvert (of course) Most Cannibalized Song: You Shouldn't Do That. Best Concept Album: Warrior on the Edge of Time Best Album: Hawkwind to Alien4, and all in between (with the exception of Yuri Gagrin) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon May 12 20:51:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:51:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer on line Message-ID: Hawkwind Fan letter Kadu Flyer are finally back on line, so if you want to contact Chris and mary Bruce try: kaduflyer at connect.cybersmith.com Scott heller P.S. Off to denmark in a few weeks so I hope to meet up with many of the overseas fans over the next few years.... Jill, FOFP, Daniel, bernhard, henrik, and many others.. Anyone out there know any danish HW fans? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon May 12 20:42:35 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:42:35 EDT Subject: I.C.U. Message-ID: Ha! It has finally happened to someone else! I, too, bought this album. ALERT! THIS IS NOT, I repeat not, Inner City Unit. Instead, this is some punk band called Intensive Care Unit, who use the acronynm I.C.U.. I bought it, thinking it might be some new or rare CD, and found out otherwise. They have a female singer for chrissakes (not to down female singers). I've tryed to sell this at used record stores a million times, but to no avail. On Mon, 12 May 1997 12:51:35 E Bryan Pitkin writes: >Hi all, >I just picked up I.C.U.-Defy on Radical Records >the track list is as follows: >ludicrous >abyss >"till the ting >HERe On IN >dead wrong >play dead >Anti-matter >persona Non-Grata >I.C.U. >When the light appears >murder me, I die >carmen >fruit >radioactive > >Is this a good starting place? or is there a better place to begin? >peace >bryan >pitkin at ac.marywood.edu > From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon May 12 21:01:42 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:01:42 +0200 Subject: NEW CALVERT FILES - incl. a Jello Biafra text a.m. Message-ID: hello, at last....there are some news on the Calvert site. the page gathering memories and statements on Calvert (THE WORLD ON CALVERT) by friends and collaborators has been re-designed into a framed-version - incl. lots of new pictures, additional / extended texts and graphics (incl. a HW gig review from 1976 by Mick Farren) and two brandnew texts on Calvert by: JELLO BIAFRA - the chief Dead Kennedy - collaborator of Ministry a.o. and Alien Gnudarve Lovejoy of FAR FLUNG. you can reach these frames via the QUOTES section in the menu / The World (according) ON Calvert... enjoy... knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 12 21:13:40 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:13:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Top Ten! Message-ID: > Max Wilcox's HW Top Ten > >Member with Least Sanity: Nik Turner >Strangest Song: Good evening or Douglas in the Jungle >Best Guitarist: Huw Lloyd-Langton >Biggest Letdown: Chronicle of the Black Sword >Least Talkative Member: Dave Brock >Song Most Likely to inspire a drug overdose: Motorhead >Best Lyricist: Bob Calvert (of course) >Most Cannibalized Song: You Shouldn't Do That. >Best Concept Album: Warrior on the Edge of Time >Best Album: Hawkwind to Alien4, and all in between (with the >exception of Yuri Gagrin) My contribution to this worthless thread... Best segue: Assault & Battery into The Golden Void Most "unlike Hawkwind" song (if that's possible): Zarozinia Best cover tune: Gimme Shelter (since I haven't heard Cymbaline) Most interesting tour story: Tour van driving down sidewalk in Paris trying to elude Bob Calvert Most unknown (short-lived) member: Rob Heaton Most unknown (full-fledged) member: Jerry Richards (as of yet) Tallest member: Simon King Shortest (most elfin) member: Alan Davey Dream line-up: Brock/Lloyd-Langton/Kilmister/House/Blake/Turner/Calvert/Chadwick Dream track: Arrival in the Golden Psychedelic Motorway City Living on a Knife Edge of Time We Left This World of Tiers Keith H. (FAA) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 13 04:11:37 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:11:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Radio Birdman Message-ID: Just got a mail-order package from Citadel Records in Sydney - including the new live album _Ritualism_ - what makes this relevant to BOC is the tour poster picture in the booklet, which shows a Stealth fighter with RB logos - like a cool '90s update of _Secret Treaties_. Also, in the "Radio Birdman" book, there's a list of songs covered by RB, including "Before the Kiss", "Career of Evil", "ME 262", "Transmaniacon MC", "Dominance and Submission" (and an even longer list of Stooges songs :) Lots of other goodies too! E.g., at the HW gig next month, I'll be the one in the Radio Birdman cap :) - Andy ObCD: Radio Birdman - _Ritualism_ *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue May 13 05:04:06 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 02:04:06 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: ---------- From: Andrew A. see whether it contained NT. I've never seen it without. There were about a half dozen of them around here before Griffin went under, and they suddenly dissapeared. Personally, I could do without Nuclear Toy. I really like this one. The synth voice sounds *really* dated, and it clashes with the rest of the album. Maybe that's why I like it so much...Lev not being a favorite... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random ---------- PS: Dane: I see that I misread your message (Your Lev is w/OUT Nuke, not With, and it doesn't matter anyway, since Pam beat me to it...) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 12 12:17:59 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:17:59 +0100 Subject: HW 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mark Edmonds writes >What? I have never seen Levitation *with* Nuclear Toy! My CD is Castle >Communication label - I think I saw a Japanese import once but couldn't >work out from what I could see whether it contained NT. > >Mark Edmonds My Jap Import doesn't. It's doubled with Live '79 tho' -- Jon Browne ObCD - new Primal Scream single "Kowalski" but then I would say that, wouldn't I? From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 13 05:36:53 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:36:53 +0100 Subject: HW 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: <+OOArGA3K0dzEwb$@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <+OOArGA3K0dzEwb$@comics.demon.co.uk>, Jon Browne writes >In message , Mark Edmonds > writes >>What? I have never seen Levitation *with* Nuclear Toy! My CD is Castle >>Communication label - I think I saw a Japanese import once but couldn't >>work out from what I could see whether it contained NT. >> >>Mark Edmonds > >My Jap Import doesn't. It's doubled with Live '79 tho' >-- Ah, now I think I remember this one. Didn't it cut out the live version of Motorway City so it could all fit on one CD? There used to be a Castle 2 for 1 pack which had both Levitation and Live '79 each on their own CD. If anyone has this or is thinking of getting a second hand one, the Levitation CD has a track index error and the quality of the master is far worse than the single CD Castle release - which I think was nearly the first ever Hawkwind CD to be released. Anyone confirm this? From micci at SCI.FI Tue May 13 06:40:18 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:40:18 +0300 Subject: OFF: Please vote (&back to Out&Intake) Message-ID: >William wrote: >Also, I have read somewhere that Back in the Box and Treadmill are also >live. Once more, they sound too good to be true. >What do others think? > I read somewhere that those two are studio takings and rest of album is live. If those are studio takings could someone tell when record? Miikka From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 13 05:48:25 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:48:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation, was 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: <19970513085647599.AAA666@herbrose> Message-ID: In article <19970513085647599.AAA666 at herbrose>, Chuck Rosenberg writes >Maybe that's why I like it so much...Lev not being a favorite... I don't know if I have the quoting correct for the above as it wasn't clear from the post. Levitation isn't a favourite?!?!?!? Man, are you missing out! In my view it is probably the most perfect album HW have ever released (Space Ritual giving it a hard run for the money though). Not only that, it is one of the best engineered and mixed albums of all time. OK, the front sleeve wasn't too hot but the backside was pretty good and used to decorate my files at school. In this day and age of superbitmapping, 20bit masters, gold CDs and so on, I hope someone will come up with a new master of Levitation because of the 2 CD copies I have had, none of them have had the tzing of the original vinyl. Anyone at Castle reading this? You've done Sabbath remasters, now do Levitation and Live '79 please! Mark Edmonds From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 13 08:47:59 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:47:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Levitation, was 1 of 211 Message-ID: >In article <19970513085647599.AAA666 at herbrose>, Chuck Rosenberg > writes > >>Maybe that's why I like it so much...Lev not being a favorite... > >I don't know if I have the quoting correct for the above as it wasn't >clear from the post. > >Levitation isn't a favourite?!?!?!? Man, are you missing out! In my view >it is probably the most perfect album HW have ever released (Space I know, I was incredulous the first time I saw someone who didn't like it too, but to each their own. Someone voted it as the worst HW album of all time once. Worse than IITBOTFTBD, BMTHOYG. Go figure. I guess people like them for different reasons. I've noticed that there are some that I like right away and others have to kind of "grow" on you a bit. When I first got ASAM, I didn't like it at all, but now I mostly do. Advice: Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 13 09:09:50 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:09:50 +0200 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: At 10:37 PM 5/12/97 +0100, you wrote: >I have a simple CD filing system: > >The ones I'm playing a lot at any time are at the top. > >The ones I haven't played for ages are at the bottom. Which CDs are those? ...if I had used your system it would have been my two Manowar CDs and maybe maybe maybe HW Levitation... :-) -Daniel > >Works for me! :) > >- Andy > > >*** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** >*** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** > > >Attachment Converted: P:\mail\attach\Re HW; Problem > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 13 14:22:29 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:22:29 BST Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Mon, 12 May 1997 13:35:31 EDT Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin of the track > "Coleridge on the Enterprise" ? > > Lyrics for this song are contained in the (old) HW lyrics > file, but I can't find any other mention of this track > in the Codex or discography... It was a poetry track spoken by Alan Ashley at the Hammersmith 88 gig. It doesn't appear in the Codex or discography because it never made it onto an album. See also: Rambo In Space > > MWood FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 13 09:17:45 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:17:45 -0600 Subject: Help from across the Pond / Theo what does it all mean? Message-ID: >I saw Extinct Instinct in our local HMV store on saturday. It was 13.99 >pounds which at the current rate is about $22. >If you are interested then let me know, and I'll think up some stuff I want >from the US side of the pond. >Tim Thanks Tim. Avalanche records which has distributed Threshold's Music in the past is not sure when they will secure a distribution deal for the new one and the live EP. Could be weeks or months. The price you show is better than the few on-line services. Any idea what you may want in exchange? Have access to Towers (great selection) HMV, Borders (good not great) Circuit City and Best Buy (radio filler). Theo, dude, Styx is headlining major venues this summer. Does this clobber the Damn Yankees reunion? I hope not. DY is a fun outfit just hope they don't go total pop with Sammy on vox. Wait a minute how can Styx go from Geezer fest support band to headlining without a new album? L8er lil' ab "Galactic Cowboys never age!" OB Book - Dale Brown's "Shadows of Steel" From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 13 14:26:17 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:26:17 BST Subject: Kadu Flyer on line In-Reply-To: 617's message of Mon, 12 May 1997 19:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: 617 writes: > P.S. Off to denmark in a few weeks so I hope to meet up with many > of the overseas fans over the next few years.... Jill, FOFP, > Daniel, bernhard, henrik, and many others.. Anyone out there know > any danish HW fans? Well if you make it over to the UK at any time then give me a bell and we can meet up... FoFP From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue May 13 08:54:14 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:54:14 +1000 Subject: HW; Problem Message-ID: At 06:30 PM 12/05/97 -0400, Ron Jennings wrote: >> I have a simple CD filing system: > >so do i. > Me too. I group them in families. My HW is surrounded by my sacred LLG and ICU/Nik. MY tBS is next to my BOC, osv. >> The ones I'm playing a lot at any time are at the top. > All others are in alphabetical order. Classical is on it's own. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 13 09:52:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:52:07 EDT Subject: off: Styx tour / Theo what does it all mean? Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > Theo, dude, Styx is headlining major venues this summer. Does this > clobber the Damn Yankees reunion? I hope not. DY is a fun outfit just > hope they don't go total pop with Sammy on vox. Wait a minute how can > Styx go from Geezer fest support band to headlining without a new album? > > > L8er > > lil' ab > AB, my last info was a Guitar World article about the Nuge that appeared in the issue before the current one, which means it was written several months ago. Anyway, they said that Ted was working on several projects, including a DY album and tour, and some work with Sammy. Now Sammy just released a new record, which I assume he will be touring in support of, so I don't see Ted working with him. Also, a recent cover story with Sammy in Maximum Guitar talked at length about Sammy's record, but didn't mention terrible Ted, though Ronnie Montrose and the original Montrose lineup appear on one song. Do you think that Styx is working with someone other than Tommy Shaw? Might work out okay, though I preferred him to JY. Haven't heard, but I suspect Styx must have a record in the works to headline a tour, unless they really impressed last year. Didn't catch that tour, though... theo From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 10:12:03 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:12:03 -0700 Subject: HW- Levitation Message-ID: Mark E writes> Levitation isn't a favourite?!?!?!? Man, are you missing out! In my view it is probably the most perfect album HW have ever released. I have to agree. The production on this LP was superb, it leapt from my speakers. The LP was a superior recording , the CD's have been normal sounding, not exceptional in any way. And I do think it's a great album as well. Space Chase! Just imagine Simon House on that one! It's a great headphone listen and ranks high on my HW best of list. Even with the kladunk adunk adunk of Ginger Baker. Dane NP: third and the mortal - painting on glass From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 10:15:47 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:15:47 -0700 Subject: HW 1 of 211 Message-ID: >Nuclear Toy/Lev I could do w/o >The synth voice sounds *really* >dated, and it clashes with the rest of the album. I don't want to get into dated sounding HW. The only time I cannot listen to HW is when I hear the strains of the Casio... Dane From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 10:26:42 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:26:42 -0700 Subject: HW- Levitation Rules Message-ID: >Andrew writes> >I know, I was incredulous the first time I saw someone who didn't like >it too, but to each their own. Someone voted it as the worst HW album >of all time once. Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW release's. That's the beauty of HW their styles have ranged from "electronic" space rock to "ambient" space rock to "sorta new wavey" space rock to almost "heavy metal" space rock. The constant factor has always been SPACE ROCK, lots of synth and repetitive rhythmns plus lots of stereo. This unifying factor has made almost every HW enjoyable to me, from Hawkwind to Love in Space. Gee I just love these guys. Dane NP: Blue Suede - Hooked on a Feeling From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 10:34:16 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:34:16 -0700 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: I read in the paper this morning that in the city of Los Angeles, people are opening OXYGENE BARS. Apparently Japan has had these for a while, now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, clean oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying for oxygen. Now Nitrous Oxide, that's another story... Dane From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 13 10:28:42 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:28:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation, was 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: <199705131247.IAA20656@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Advice: Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? Andrew - it retals over here at approx #4.50 stlng., so it would be cheaper for you to ask _me_ to buy it for you and send it to you. Yours, Jon ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 13 10:50:27 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:50:27 -0600 Subject: Subscribers and more 'Zilla Message-ID: "Your message dated Tue, 13 May 1997 07:17:45 -0600 with subject "Help from across the Pond / Theo what does it all mean?" has been successfully distributed to the BOC-L list (215 recipients)." Who are all these people? 8>) For the new "Zilla movie lets put our heros on stage in Central Park, ready to launch into the song when Eric points and shouts "Holy %$#@ its Godzilla". "Zilla proceeds to trash the place and leave; Torgo, Manuel, John and Theo sit on the remains of the stage and lament another lost opportunity to see the band in a big venue. "Its all Steve's fault." 8>) They can always use the song with the closing credits. L8er lil' ab "Victoria said she'd be better off dead than discovered." obcd - Y&T - Earthshaker From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 13 11:19:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:19:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: >I read in the paper this morning that in the city of Los Angeles, people are opening OXYGENE BARS. These are booths in which you can listen to Jean-Michel Jarre albums, yeah? What's this got to do with the price of fish, anyway? - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Damon From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue May 13 16:30:43 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:30:43 BST Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Tue, 13 May 1997 07:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > I read in the paper this morning that in the city of Los Angeles, > people are opening OXYGENE BARS. Apparently Japan has had these for a > while, now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, > clean oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying f> or oxygen. I've heard that a good whiff of oxygen is the business for clearing hangovers. I could certainly use it today :-( > Dane FoFP From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue May 13 11:48:38 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:48:38 -0400 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: > I read in the paper this morning that in the city of Los Angeles, people are opening OXYGENE BARS. Apparently Japan has had these for a while, now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, clean oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying for oxygen. Now Nitrous Oxide, that's another story... > > Dane yes i heard this was going on it canada some time ago as well. you apparently get some sort of buzzz. no real benefits healthwise. and pump up those free radicals! rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 13 11:50:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:50:36 +0200 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: Mike; >I've heard that a good whiff of oxygen is the business for clearing >hangovers. I could certainly use it today :-( Why don't you try laughing gas instead of oxygen... ...or drink another bottle of absinth (the BOC-l liquor numero uno)... I think that works better... :-) -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue May 13 11:52:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:52:00 +0100 Subject: HW 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's mail of Tue, 13 May 97 07:15 -0700 Message-ID: On 13 May 15:15, Dane Carlson wrote: > I don't want to get into dated sounding HW. The only time I cannot listen > to HW is when I hear the strains of the Casio... Hi Dane, Can you give us some examples? > Dane Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 13 11:53:27 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon (non-Quest-related)) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:53:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Please vote (&back to Out&Intake) In-Reply-To: <199705131040.NAA01806@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 1997, Miikka Wagner wrote: > >William wrote: > >Also, I have read somewhere that Back in the Box and Treadmill are also > >live. Once more, they sound too good to be true. > >What do others think? > > > > I read somewhere that those two are studio takings and rest of album is > live. If those are studio takings could someone tell when record? > > Miikka According to the online interview with Dave Brock, Part 2 (located at < http://www.hawkwind.com/ > and follow the "CyberSpace Interview" link), Both "Back In the Box" and "Treadmill" are live tracks. [Thanks to me for asking the question. :-) :-) ] Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 13 11:55:49 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon (non-Quest-related)) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:55:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Top Ten! In-Reply-To: <3377A883.1EA1@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 1997, Max Wilcox wrote: > Member with Least Sanity: Nik Turner I apologize, but I must disagree. His onstage antics might earn him the title "Member who -seems- to have the least sanity", but he's such a nice guy in person. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 13 12:01:21 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon (non-Quest-related)) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:01:21 -0500 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > ...now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, clean > oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying for oxygen. Strikes me as scary to pay **>$16<** for 20 minutes of it! I would have expected a $3 cover charge or something, but that's just ridiculous. Damon From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue May 13 12:02:23 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon (non-Quest-related)) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <9705131422.aa21767@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 1997, M Holmes wrote: > It was a poetry track spoken by Alan Ashley at the Hammersmith 88 gig. OK, and now for yet another stupid question: Who or What is Alan Ashley? Funny I never heard of 'im. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 13 12:19:18 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:19:18 +0200 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: At 11:01 AM 5/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: >> ...now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, clean >> oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying for oxygen. > >Strikes me as scary to pay **>$16<** for 20 minutes of it! I would have >expected a $3 cover charge or something, but that's just ridiculous. > >Damon Who sells it? Is't a private business or is it the city (correct term?) ? -Daniel > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 12:36:10 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:36:10 -0700 Subject: HW Casio Message-ID: > I wrote> > I don't want to get into dated sounding HW. The only time I cannot listen > to HW is when I hear the strains of the Casio... >Dave wrote> >Can you give us some examples? The one casio sound that stands out is in British Tribal Music and I believe I have heard it on Church of Hawkwind. Giving the music a cheesy sound. It's my only peeve about early '80's HW. Which doesn't amount to much. Dane From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 13 09:13:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:13:10 +0100 Subject: HW 1 of 211 In-Reply-To: <6ojTkLA1YDezEwwl@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <6ojTkLA1YDezEwwl at mmje.demon.co.uk>, Mark Edmonds > >Ah, now I think I remember this one. Didn't it cut out the live version >of Motorway City so it could all fit on one CD? S'right. -- Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue May 13 12:52:32 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:52:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise Message-ID: Hello At 11:02 13.05.97 -0500, you wrote: > It was a poetry track spoken by Alan Ashley at the Hammersmith 88 gig. THATS WRONG!! This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on 05.03.1989 (Calvert tribute gig) AFAIK this poem was performed never again >OK, and now for yet another stupid question: >Who or What is Alan Ashley? Funny I never heard of 'im. He played only 3 gigs with HAWKWIND and did the following poems - Astronauts (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) - The Welcomming Hands Of Space (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) - The Welcomming Hands Of Space (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) - Coleridge On The Enterprise (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) - Rambo In Space (London Hammy Odeon, 07.December.1989) He wrote also the GOLDEN VOID booklet, bublished by Trevor Hughes Bernhard From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 12:57:50 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:57:50 -0700 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: >Who sells it? Is it a private business or is it the city (correct term?) ? >-Daniel In LA it is a private business thing. You pay and put these nose plugs on, like at the dentist's. And for 20 minutes you get the real thing. With Japan and LA you have such pollution problems, the air gets a little murky, and now these problems can be capitalized on. and on a completely opposite note: It reminds me of the movie, Millennium, based on a John Varley book. Cheryl Ladd goes back in time to help save the future, but in the future the air is so bad that she can't breathe in the air of 1985, the toxin level is way to low. So she has to chain smoke cigarettes in order to survive. Dane From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue May 13 13:03:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:03:52 EDT Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing Message-ID: > From: "Damon (non-Quest-related)" > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > > ...now LA is getting in the the act. $16 for 20 minutes of fresh, clean > > oxygen. Strikes me as kinds scary, paying for oxygen. > > Strikes me as scary to pay **>$16<** for 20 minutes of it! I would have > expected a $3 cover charge or something, but that's just ridiculous. > > Damon Strikes me as stupid, and reeking of affectation. Shit, you can buy a tank of oxygen for a lot less than the price they're quoting... theo From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Tue May 13 13:21:25 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:21:25 EDT Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970513185149.0069caa4@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at May 13, 97 6:52 pm Message-ID: Re: "Coleridge On The Enterprise": >This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on 05.03.1989 >He played only 3 gigs with HAWKWIND and did the following poems >- Astronauts (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) >- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) >- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) >- Coleridge On The Enterprise (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) >- Rambo In Space (London Hammy Odeon, 07.December.1989) So.... Are any of these tracks worth hearing? Any benevolent Kollectors out there who might be open to some kind of trade? (I don't have any Hawkwind boots, but I've got some other interesting stuff.) MWood NP: _Still Life_ - Van der Graaf Generator From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Tue May 13 13:30:16 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:30:16 -0700 Subject: Styx Message-ID: >Theo, dude, Styx is headlining major venues this summer. Does this >clobber the Damn Yankees reunion? I hope not. DY is a fun outfit just >hope they don't go total pop with Sammy on vox. Wait a minute how can >Styx go from Geezer fest support band to headlining without a new album? Well, they actually do have a new album, with the ominous title of "Return to Paradise"..... and yes, Shaw is with them. Don't know who's filling the drum slot, since their original drummer died a while back. scorch From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 13 13:56:39 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:56:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise Message-ID: >>This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on 05.03.1989 >>He played only 3 gigs with HAWKWIND and did the following poems >>- Astronauts (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) >>- Coleridge On The Enterprise (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) >>- Rambo In Space (London Hammy Odeon, 07.December.1989) > >So.... > >Are any of these tracks worth hearing? As it happens, I went to all three of those gigs - the T&C was good, and the Brixton gig was outstanding, but Hammersmith was really crap for some reason... but that's Hawkwind for you! Anyway, "Welcoming hands..." is the only one of the poems that sticks in the memory at all; they made reasonably atmospheric breaks, and did their job of winding the audience up for the next song. I think they worked well enough in context, but they wouldn't stand on their own. - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2491 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 13 14:01:27 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:01:27 +0200 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: Dane wrote; > >In LA it is a private business thing. You pay and put these nose plugs on, like at the dentist's. And for 20 minutes you get the real thing. With Japan and LA you have such pollution problems, the air gets a little murky, and now these problems can be capitalized on. What a low way of make a living! Things like that should be free... If this is something that people need (I think that's the way in Japan) then the society is obliged to provide the people with this. The service shouldn't cost you anything but it could be financed by gas-taxes and so on... This is the way things used to work in Sweden (OK... I know we have the highest taxes in the world ;-) and I liked it... nobody should ever be able to make a profit on someone-elses suffering. It also shouldn't make any difference what you earn/what your economical standard are when you're going to use medical care or related services...like oxygen bars -I meen you shouldn't have to consider if you can afford the service or not, good medical treatment is not for rich people only... Whith this I don't meen that doctors should (well... maybe some of them... I don't like the ieda of being a doctor to get rich... it should be a calling)have their wages reduced... Lots of "shouldn't-s" above. :-) A rather political statement too I supose. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 13 14:03:07 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:03:07 -0400 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: Dane sayz.. >and on a completely opposite note: >It reminds me of the movie, Millennium, based on a John Varley book. Cheryl Ladd goes back in time to help save the future, but in the future the air is so bad that she can't breathe in the air of 1985, the toxin level is way to low. So she has to chain smoke cigarettes in order to survive. This reminds me of the short story by Moorcock called 'The Pleasure Garden of Felipe Sagittarius', where everybody had replacement paper lungs. Keith H. (FAA) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 13 14:09:15 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:09:15 +0200 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: Dane; >and on a completely opposite note: >It reminds me of the movie, Millennium, based on a John Varley book. Cheryl Ladd goes back in time to help save the future, but in the future the air is so bad that she can't breathe in the air of 1985, the toxin level is way to low. So she has to chain smoke cigarettes in order to survive. Lucky bastard! If I also was forced to chain-smoke I would have been the happiest man on earth... now I'm not smoking for my life (ha ha! ;-) and can't afford it either so I'm trying to quit... it doesn't work very well... so I've started to use (moist) snuff instead. That is really good too. But it's not such a nice social activity as smoking (yes, yes -I know that non-smokers don't think it's a social activity at all... but they don't understand anything, do they?) mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 13 14:30:37 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:30:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Top Ten! In-Reply-To: <199705130113.VAA13947@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Best cover tune: Gimme Shelter (since I haven't heard Cymbaline) I've heard both, and, for my money, "Cymbaline" beats "Gimme Shelter" hands down. Oddly enough, I haven't heard the original to "Cymbaline," so I can't say how Hawkwind's cover compares to it. As a song in itself, I really like it. In fact, it's possibly my favourite off the remastered _Hawkwind_ CD. Discounting "Cymbaline," I think I would've chosen "Bring It On Home" above "Gimme Shelter," though. I cringe quite a bit when "Gimme Shelter's" playing. But that's just me... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Can, _Soundtracks_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 13 09:21:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:21:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Best Of F + R In-Reply-To: <199705131247.IAA20656@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: In message <199705131247.IAA20656 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes > >Advice: Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? > Yes, easily, but it's only 2.99 UKP over here, being a (low down rotten) Emporio release. I've got two. One's still shrink wrapped. Wanna trade? I paid nothing for it so i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape of Lucky Lief and the Longships.... -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 15:35:29 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:35:29 -0700 Subject: HW- Best Of F + R Message-ID: >Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? >i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape of Lucky Lief and the >Longships.... >Jon Browne I'll bite on this if whoever started this thread doesn't want it. DAne From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Tue May 13 15:42:07 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:42:07 -0700 Subject: HW- Best Of F + R Message-ID: Speaking of Friends & Relations, does anyone have/know of a copy of Volume 1? I missed out when it first came out... (did it ever make CD?) Was surprised to read in the notes to F&R Rarities that Vol.3 was yanked off the market - how rare are copies of this? (yes, I have one...) scorch From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 13 15:55:02 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:55:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Top Ten! Message-ID: ---------- From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 2:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Top Ten! Keith Henderson wrote: > Best cover tune: Gimme Shelter (since I haven't heard Cymbaline) I've heard both, and, for my money, "Cymbaline" beats "Gimme Shelter" hands down. Oddly enough, I haven't heard the original to "Cymbaline," so I can't say how Hawkwind's cover compares to it. As a song in itself, I really like it. In fact, it's possibly my favourite off the remastered _Hawkwind_ CD. (Sound of jaw dropping and hitting the floor...) You have never heard the original "Cymbaline" by Pink Floyd?!?! Getcher butt out to a CD Emporium right now and snag the remastered version of the soundtrack "More" and listen to the original. This is one of my favorite early Floyd releases and the new remasters do for the Floyd what the EMI's did for the Hawks. The music on "More" is all over the spectrum, so don't give up if you don't like the song thats' playing; wait two minutes and it'll change... obCDPlayer: Andy Pickford / Works II Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com Discounting "Cymbaline," I think I would've chosen "Bring It On Home" above "Gimme Shelter," though. I cringe quite a bit when "Gimme Shelter's" playing. But that's just me... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Can, _Soundtracks_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue May 13 16:26:07 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:26:07 +1000 Subject: HW: Top Ten! Message-ID: Damon (non-Quest-related) wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Max Wilcox wrote: > > Member with Least Sanity: Nik Turner > > I apologize, but I must disagree. His onstage antics might earn him the > title "Member who -seems- to have the least sanity", but he's such a nice > guy in person. Oh, you misunderstand! This wasn't meant to be derogatory comment - but rather just a term of endearment. Now, if I was actually being literal in my usage of "sanity", well, I'd probably have to put ol' Bob Calvert, there. But then again, sanity is relative... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue May 13 17:40:56 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Best Of F + R Message-ID: >In message <199705131247.IAA20656 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew >A. Apold" writes >> >>Advice: Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? >> > >Yes, easily, but it's only 2.99 UKP over here, being a (low down rotten) >Emporio release. I've got two. One's still shrink wrapped. Wanna trade? >I paid nothing for it so i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape >of Lucky Lief and the Longships.... Too late, I bought it this afternoon, and quite like it. Dodgem... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue May 13 18:05:12 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:05:12 -0700 Subject: OFF Jon Browne Message-ID: >Jon Browne >Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? >i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape of Lucky Lief and the >Longships.... You still interested? I got LLatLL that I can tape for you. Anything on the B-side. Let me know. DAne so heave me heroes heave and ho, valhalla hails thee one and all From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue May 13 20:31:46 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:31:46 -0700 Subject: Levitation, was 1 of 211 Message-ID: ---------- > > I don't know if I have the quoting correct for the above as it wasn't > clear from the post. > > Levitation isn't a favourite?!?!?!? Man, are you missing out! In my view > it is probably the most perfect album HW have ever released (Space > Ritual giving it a hard run for the money though). I would agree that SR is the most perfect HW album...but that's partly because it is imperfect. Levitation is perfectly perfect, and maybe that's why I don't like it as much... (as much, but I really like the title track, and MC...actually, I like it all, just not to the extent that I like SR, Doremi, Warrior, etc.) Not only that, it is > one of the best engineered and mixed albums of all time. Which never did much for me...I mean, look at Doremi, my studio favorite, and as people have said, it was recorded not in a studio but a jacousie... (sp) Charlie From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed May 14 11:26:09 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:26:09 EST Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <01BC5FCF.8498B2C0@new>; from "Andrew Gilham" at May 13, 97 06:56:39 pm Message-ID: > > >>This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on = > 05.03.1989 > >>He played only 3 gigs with HAWKWIND and did the following poems > >>- Astronauts (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) > >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) > >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) > >>- Coleridge On The Enterprise (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) > >>- Rambo In Space (London Hammy Odeon, 07.December.1989) > > > >So.... > > > >Are any of these tracks worth hearing?=20 > > As it happens, I went to all three of those gigs - the T&C was good, and = > the Brixton gig was outstanding, but Hammersmith was really crap for = > some reason... but that's Hawkwind for you! It wasn't that bad,magnu was a pretty good opener,the violin was too low down in the mix though. I enjoyed rambo in space ,it sounded like a 20 minute version of acid test,but I like Harveys tunes. regards Marty(going back in the box) p.s anyone seen the love in space cd yet? > hands..." is the only one of the poems that sticks in the memory at all; = > they made reasonably atmospheric breaks, and did their job of winding = > the audience up for the next song. I think they worked well enough in = > context, but they wouldn't stand on their own. > > - Andy > > *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** > *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5FCF.84A053E0 > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > eJ8+IiIRAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy > b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYA0AEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL > AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAUQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAEJPQy9IYXdrd2luZCBE > aXNjdXNzaW9uIExpc3QAU01UUABCT0MtTEBMSVNUU0VSVi5TUEMuRURVAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAA > AFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAXAAAAQk9DLUxATElTVFNFUlYuU1BDLkVEVQAAAwAVDAEAAAADAP4P > BgAAAB4AATABAAAAHwAAACdCT0MvSGF3a3dpbmQgRGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBMaXN0JwAAAgELMAEAAAAc > AAAAU01UUDpCT0MtTEBMSVNUU0VSVi5TUEMuRURVAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAAeAPZfAQAAAB0A > AABCT0MvSGF3a3dpbmQgRGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBMaXN0AAAAAAIB918BAAAAUQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQ > GZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAEJPQy9IYXdrd2luZCBEaXNjdXNzaW9uIExpc3QAU01UUABCT0MtTEBMSVNU > U0VSVi5TUEMuRURVAAAAAAMA/V8BAAAAAwD/XwAAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAACLV4BBIABACQA > AABSRTogSFc6IENvbGVyaWRnZSBvbiB0aGUgRW50ZXJwcmlzZQAXDAEFgAMADgAAAM0HBQANABIA > OAAnAAIAWQEBIIADAA4AAADNBwUADQASACMABAACACEBAQmAAQAhAAAANzdFNUVCNjlCOUNCRDAx > MUIwOTAwMEEwMjQzODYyRDcAFAcBA5AGAPAGAAAhAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAA > CwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AEC3wgHHX7wBHgBwAAEAAAAkAAAAUkU6IEhXOiBD > b2xlcmlkZ2Ugb24gdGhlIEVudGVycHJpc2UAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbxfxwGqaevlfMu5EdCwkACg > JDhi1wAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABsAAABBbmR5LkdpbGhhbUBidGludGVy > bmV0LmNvbQAAAwAGEKKH+lcDAAcQZgMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAFRISVNQT0VNV0FTUEVSRk9NRURC > WUFMQU5BU0hMRVlJTkJSSVhUT04sQUNBREVNWU9OMDUwMzE5ODlIRVBMQVlFRE9OTFkzR0lHU1dJ > VEhIQVdLV0lOREFORERJRFRIRUZPTEwAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADDAwAAvwMAAJ0FAABMWkZ12itzrAMA > CgByY3BnMTI1JjIA+AtgbmcB0DU3nQH3IAKkA+MCAGNoCsDgc2V0MCAHEwKDAFBjAvIQ2VRhaANx > AoB9swqACMggOwlvDjA1AoA5CoF1YwBQCwMLtSA+CD5UaAQAIHBvZfBtIHdhF5EEkAIQB4AQZCBi > eRFwTEFOgRFwU0hMRVkgC4CkIEIFEHh0AiAsEXC0Y2EBAG0Y4AIgIA9QAC4wMy4xOTg5ZwqiCoAX > QEhlF6ALYHkLGKECIGwY4DMgZ2kGZwQgA/B0aCBIQYBXS1dJTkQgAHB5GLBkaRiwHdAcYAIQbL8J > AAPwDyAXoxDAG+UtEXCEc3QDYG5hdXQEIBQoTAIgZBsBVCZDakMaYDEbQEQFkBfQYucEkCJgG6A4 > KSBIF2AcYEhXZWwFoG1tH7JI8x6RBCBPZgYACrAiwCGP/yKfI68kvyXDGfUadhpgGzG+TQrAEPAb > gyfpCFBsBnG0ZGccYE8mYR8hRQIwfQSQcAUQETAqbyt/IFdS8mEG0SBJA6AlrCUQKSDNGOBPAQAa > QjA3JwcsG/Eb1VNvLjXBNMsK8xcw/wcQHGAAcBrhJYAfES6hIQD9ANBrHZEJER3gHyAKwB+x/j8K > 4wqENrYg4BmwBUARAO5wGEAAgBpgSRfwCfAFQL8aMB6AH3AfAQnRN7RvLqGfHWMgwB8SJoEX82dv > BHD/GmAekh8SLuYdYRfzCGAhYO8BkB6gH7EaYGIhUDLTBJD+cykwHdEYAglwPGEY4AUAdztAH0EF > wHMYgUKiQ7BuxzXBQWMd0GF0JwQgJRBcd2sfoRiwQ3J5CGAh3iARcDeQGAAvwSIo1B+y9xEAJTE1 > wSIZsAQgHxIc878CIDzlHGEgAkTTQ6B0DeDfOJEZwR8SB4AEYHIY4EpB/TxhOx8CGOAAwAEAQ/UB > oGcdEUUABGBzcB8gBRBjXxjAQrE4kD8EHtVpBcBq/G9iN7JFkh+yHxIhQB7Q+wnwJdF1Q1QfEkkg > GiBDod8PIESAO8Ad0AuAa0w0OMG+axihO+A8cQnwCGBnHeA/GcEFoC4xGiBBVFNVdWz4ZG4nSlIe > khsBT1QfkG9EUDm6IMEeoHk2dRISc3QxNxvUKlpAUhEH4GVuLQDAAxEaoGQJcAQQOn0DMGMAQVZA > TIEDEBowOhlYwi5HAxARAG1AYudKgC4ySSB0LikBW8EBQP9WQBFgRmBaQVnsO+BP0Fs/gmgCQHA6 > Ly93YdDyLl18L34ekVzgHWBdIl9eWF8HFms5uhOxAGbAAAMAEBACAAAAAwAREAAAAAADAIAQ//// > /0AABzDAmu39w1+8AUAACDDAmu39w1+8AQMAJIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAC3DQAA > HgAlgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAMAJoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAA > AABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAACwAngAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAALACiACCAGAAAA > AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAKYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAq > gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADACyACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAA > AAAAAB4ALYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAC6ACCAGAAAAAADA > AAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAvgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEA > AAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AABAsA== > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5FCF.84A053E0-- > From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed May 14 11:36:17 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:36:17 EST Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <9705140026.AA17810@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>; from "Martyn Lawrence" at May 14, 97 10:26:09 am Message-ID: > > >>This poem was perfomed by ALAN ASHLEY in Brixton, Academy on = > 05.03.1989 > >>He played only 3 gigs with HAWKWIND and did the following poems > >>- Astronauts (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) > >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (London T&CC, 15.December 1988) > >>- The Welcomming Hands Of Space (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) > >>- Coleridge On The Enterprise (Brixton Academy, 05.March.1989) > >>- Rambo In Space (London Hammy Odeon, 07.December.1989) > > > >So.... > > > >Are any of these tracks worth hearing?=20 > > As it happens, I went to all three of those gigs - the T&C was good, and = > the Brixton gig was outstanding, but Hammersmith was really crap for = > some reason... but that's Hawkwind for you! It wasn't that bad,magnu was a pretty good opener,the violin was too low down in the mix though. I enjoyed rambo in space ,it sounded like a 20 minute version of acid test,but I like Harveys tunes. regards Marty(going back in the box) p.s anyone seen the love in space cd yet? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue May 13 21:40:30 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:40:30 +0800 Subject: HW: Best Of F + R Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <199705131247.IAA20656 at issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us>, "Andrew > A. Apold" writes > > > >Advice: Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? > > > > Yes, easily, but it's only 2.99 UKP over here, being a (low down rotten) > Emporio release. I've got two. One's still shrink wrapped. Wanna trade? > I paid nothing for it so i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape > of Lucky Lief and the Longships.... > Ah, but which one is it. There were 2 CD's released with the same name, but with about half of the tracks being different. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue May 13 21:43:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:43:44 +0800 Subject: HW Casio Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > > I wrote> > > I don't want to get into dated sounding HW. The only time I cannot listen > > to HW is when I hear the strains of the Casio... > > >Dave wrote> > >Can you give us some examples? > > The one casio sound that stands out is in British Tribal Music and I believe I have heard it on Church of Hawkwind. Giving the music a cheesy sound. It's my only peeve about early '80's HW. Which doesn't amount to much. > It's also listed on the back of Agents of Chaos as being one of the main instruments, and as some of these tracks have reappeared on HW albums... William From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue May 13 22:32:35 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:32:35 -0400 Subject: off: Styx tour / Theo what does it all mean? In-Reply-To: from "QUEST" at May 13, 97 10:31:24 am Message-ID: QUEST writes: > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > Haven't heard, but I suspect Styx must have a record in the works to > > headline a tour, unless they really impressed last year. Didn't catch > > that tour, though... > > theo > > I didn't catch it either, but reviews seem to indicate that Styx kicked > bootie, as did Kansas. Styx was amazing, it was like they put out Paradise Theater last week. Tori and I saw two of the NYC area shows (one indoor and one outdoor), and they were both excellent, excellent shows. The only downer was that Tommy, while telling the story of how they got back toegther, teased the audience with riffs from Castle Walls and Man in The Wilderness, but they didn't actually play the songs... Kansas, I'm sorry to say, was an altogether different story. The instrumentalists were in fine form, but the vocalist seriously needed to be shot. They'd apparently found themselves some rock-n-roll d00d to fill in for their missing original vocalist... the guy pranced and over-emoted his way through every great Kansas song until I felt almost physically ill. These were both large shows, btw; the indoors one was sold out and packed to the rafters, the outdoors one was in bad weather (which miraculously cleared up half an hour into the show), so it was "only" about 90% full. And the audience was insanely into it, for fans of a band that has been out of commision for more than 10 years. Or maybe that's why... Steve From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed May 14 00:20:25 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:20:25 E Subject: HW/OFF radio show Message-ID: Hi all, Well I just wrapped up my college carreer on the air with 4 (count 'em) 4 hours of hawkwind. I felt I just had to saturate the Scranton/Wilkes Barre area with the mighty Hawks. Here's how it went: Born to go (BBC) High Rise You know your only dreaming Children of the sun Shot down in the night>Psychedelia Lives>Shot down.. (Live 79/F&R/Live 79) Standing at the edge Warriors Damnation Alley The Widow song (F&R) Toad on the road (F&R) -------------------- Ghost Dance (Undisclosed Files) All along the Watchtower (5-5-86) Gimme Shelter Festivals We took the wrong steps years ago Adjust Me Phone Home Elliot (F&R) Lord of the Hornets (Freq) The right stuff (calvert single) The awakening (SR) Kerb Crawler Armour for everyday (Prophets of time) --------------------- The war I survived Waiting for tomorrow Confrontation 5/4 Valium ten (extended mix) The camera that could lie>Green finned demon (Buisness trip) 25 years (12' remix) good evening Nuclear drive Damage of life Prelude --------------------- T.V. Suicide>Back in the box (California brainstorm) Needle Gun (studio) Psychsonia Ode to a time flower (9-2-73) Silver Machine (Choose your masques) Master of the Universe (text of F) Came Home Dealing with the devil Lord of light (Cleopatria single) Wastelands>Are you losing your mind? (LiS) Welcome to the future (SR) -------------------- Just thought it might intrest some of you. I'll be leaving the list on Sat. So I will say my goodbyes now. I have graduated college and now I'm off to the real world. Thank you one and all for your information, help, and friendship. Until I get a computer & e-mail to use Space is deep Bryan P. Pitkin pitkin at ac.marywood.edu (until Sat.) Wyndorf at hotmail.com (though I don't know how often I will get a chance to check it) peace From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed May 14 02:50:14 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:50:14 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: HW:New =?iso-8859-1?Q?CD=B4s=21=5D?= Message-ID: -- ========================================================== "Hallucinatins flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: +46-60-173716 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Henrik Hallgren Subject: HW:New CD?s! Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:41:08 +0200 Size: 1405 URL: From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:24:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:24:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Top Ten! In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's mail of Tue, 13 May 97 14:30 -0400 Message-ID: On 13 May 19:30, Paul Mather wrote: > Discounting "Cymbaline," I think I would've chosen "Bring It On Home" > above "Gimme Shelter," I heard "Bring It On Home" for the first time recently. I would like to hear an encore start with "The Demented Man" (accoustic), seque into "Bring It On Home" (accoustic, but bluesy), and then seque into a storming electric rock track for a finale - maybe "Right To Decide" or "Assassins Of Allah". Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 04:48:19 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:48:19 +0100 Subject: HW- Best Of F + R In-Reply-To: <199705131942.MAA00901@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> Message-ID: In article <199705131942.MAA00901 at vampire.Corp.Sun.COM>, John McCartney writes >Speaking of Friends & Relations, does anyone have/know of a copy of >Volume 1? I missed out when it first came out... (did it ever make CD?) >Was surprised to read in the notes to F&R Rarities that Vol.3 was >yanked off the market - how rare are copies of this? (yes, I have one...) I've got LP copies of all three but I never knew of each album getting its own CD - as far as I remember, the only CD release was the Best of F&R. Now you mention it, Vol. 3 did seem to have a short shelf life. Why was it removed? I also vaguely remember that Vol. 1 had two different coloured sleeves: silvery and white - can anyone confirm this? Mark Edmonds From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 14 06:22:02 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:22:02 +0200 Subject: BOC: Re: off: Styx tour / Theo what does it all mean? Message-ID: Steve; >Kansas, I'm sorry to say, was an altogether different story. The >instrumentalists were in fine form, but the vocalist seriously needed >to be shot. Ha ha, reminds me of when my father first time heard Al singing "Cities On Flame" on the Live 76 video... he quietly wondered why nobody had cut off Als tongue... Pardon Al! But he has changed his opinion on BOC, and has bought maybe three or four BOC albums... (strange this hasn't happened before as he always has been a fan of the Sabs and Tull) mvh -Daniel (who likes Als voice a lot) "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:00:24 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:00:24 +0100 Subject: HW- Levitation Rules In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Dane Carlson writes in follow up to Levitation being weak: >Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW >release's. ASAM gets my vote as one of the strongest basically because it contains the awesome Steppenwolf and is backed up with things like Reefer Madness, Chronoglide Skyway, Kadu Flyer, City of Lagoons, whatever that funky track opening side 2 is and so on... This leads me onto a convenient question: The lyrics for Steppenwolf are really brilliant, especially the way they are sung with the hard edged consonants and exagerated pronounciation. However, I have this nagging feeling that Calvert didn't in fact write all these words and some should be credited to an ancient chinese philosopher/poet. No I'm not kidding. Lines like "Under skies heavy with snow, my eyes are convex lenses of ebony, embedded in amber" I think should be credited to someone other than Calvert. Can anyone say whether this theory is total bullshit or if there is some element of truth to it and maybe suggest where I picked this information up from? Many thanks, Mark Edmonds From TOJACKSO at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 14 07:53:50 1997 From: TOJACKSO at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:53:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: off: Styx tour / Theo what does it all mean? Message-ID: > > Steve; > >Kansas, I'm sorry to say, was an altogether different story. The > >instrumentalists were in fine form, but the vocalist seriously needed > >to be shot. > > Ha ha, reminds me of when my father first time heard Al singing "Cities O= > n > Flame" on the Live 76 video... he quietly wondered why nobody had cut off > Als tongue... > Pardon Al! > > But he has changed his opinion on BOC, and has bought maybe three or four > BOC albums... (strange this hasn't happened before as he always has been = > a > fan of > the Sabs and Tull) > > mvh -Daniel (who likes Als voice a lot) Daniel, Howls! but consider yourself lucky. The idea of my old man listening to any decent music [or any music at all] is incomprehensible. Hey, how old's your dad? Maybe I'm older than he is. BTW, as you mentioned Live '76, how 'bout Al's over-the-top drumming throughout? Al was posessed that night... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 14 08:32:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:32:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Live 1976 Message-ID: Boy, the BOC discussion has been almost non-existent lately! Albert recently relayed a bit of info about the infamous Godzilla mask that he used to wear -- if he doesn't beat me to it, I'll retrieve it from my computer at home sometime soon and post here. I have an extra (still sealed) copy of "Live 1976", if anyone is looking for a copy of this slightly rare BOC CD of somewhat questionable quality. If anyone is interested in purchasing or trading for this CD (although unless you've got the vinyl Imaginos "Astronomy" single with the "Wild King Mix" on it, or the "Il Grande Rock" CD, you probably don't have anything I need for in trade - what do you say Manuel ;-) ), send me e-mail (jswartz at mitre.org) - don't post replies to the list. John From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Wed May 14 08:50:58 1997 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 05:50:58 -0700 Subject: OFF: Styx Message-ID: Tommy Shaw is definetely with Styx on this new tour. He was on a local station with Dennis DeYoung singing Lady to promote it. The new album is a 2 CD live set called Return to Paradise (it has at least one new track - Dear John, dedicated to their former drummer). If it is half as good as their last tour, it is worth picking up. Heck, it has a killer live version of Boat on the River...I'm getting it! Rumour control: AB, where did you hear that Sammy was joining Damn Yankees? I have read that Nuge's act will tour with Sammy's this summer. What about Night Ranger? I keep hearing talk about Jack Blades getting back with them for an album and tour. What have you heard? The Gumby Man * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I will bow to the earth, bow to the sea, * Bow to the love between you and me, * Bow to the sun, bow to the land * but never to a god made in the image of man. * * New Model Army * * Thomas Nelson* * *The Gumby Man* * *gumby at primenet.com* * From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 14 09:56:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:56:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Styx Message-ID: > From: Thomas Nelson > > Rumour control: AB, where did you hear that Sammy was joining Damn > Yankees? I have read that Nuge's act will tour with Sammy's this summer. > There was a mention in Guitar World 2 issues ago saying that Nuge was working with Sam. What you're saying makes more sense--that Nuge is touring WITH Sam, but not playing with him. This sounds more believeable. Hell, Sammy's a better guitar player than Ted anyway! The article was kind of confusing. It suggested that Nuge was somehow doing a new solo record, a DY gig, and something with Sammy. But...Sam's got a new record that had nothing to do with TN, Tommy is definitely back with Styx..So, by process of elimination, a DY gig is looking a little bleak, unless they plan on doing it without TS. JEEZUS, somebody figure this out! > What about Night Ranger? I keep hearing talk about Jack Blades getting > back with them for an album and tour. What have you heard? > > The Gumby Man > Actually, there has been a version of Night Ranger on the road for a while, though I haven't heard of them lately. It was Kelly and Brad as, I think, a trio! Dunno what they're doing now. Say what you want about the atrocious lyrics [please do!] but Night Ranger had two amazing guitarists who actually seemed to get along. And two fine singers as well. Too bad their material was lame. Fitz on the keys is a treat also... theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 14 10:00:01 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:00:01 +0100 Subject: BOC - in Europe?! Message-ID: Dear All, I just checked the tour dates page at and it's announcing a Scandinavian date on August 10 - it was updated yesterday so this is fresh... Surely they can't come to Europe and not do London! Surely! Oh please please please! Can someone check if there are any other Europe dates planned? And I'll go and try and get my heart-rate down again... Yours, Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 14 10:11:47 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:11:47 -0700 Subject: OFF The Air that I Breathe Message-ID: After a fair amount of discussion I returned home to read the article again. The Oxygen Bar is already in place in Japan, as they have bad air problems. Whether this is a free service I do not know, but it is in Japan, where everything is expensive and nothing if free. The article concerned LA. It seems the owner of this club has a similar club in Canada. There was also mention of different Oxygen Clubs. One was nose plugs, $16 for 20 minutes. Another club had a "oxygen rich environment" and private booths if you wanted seclusion. Of course the Fire Marshall isn't too happy about an "oxygen rich environment", but time will tell. Both clubs stressed, Healthy LA lifestyles as the reason for opening them there. It seems mostly like a trendy, hip, upperscale thing to do. Medical opinion saw very little of value healthwise. Consider, many of these Healthy LA types probably Jog or walk, so with the heavy resperation that goes with these activites probably breathe in even more crap than non-active healthy LA types. Dane NP: Ambient Time Travelers - various From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 14 10:20:59 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:20:59 -0700 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules Message-ID: I wrote: >Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW >release's. >Marc E wrote: >ASAM gets my vote as one of the strongest basically because it contains >the awesome Steppenwolf and is backed up with things like Reefer >Madness, Chronoglide Skyway, Kadu Flyer, City of Lagoons, whatever that >funky track opening side 2 is and so on... I must confess to not having heard ASAM in a long while. I really dislike Kerb Crawler. Kadu Flyer is good. Steppenwolf as you said is killer, truly some of Calvert's finest moments (if indeed this true). Just a brillant song. Reefer M I liked simply because it was about pot smoking, as a song I find the live 77 tour version much better. I would think ASAM is the most "unlike" Hawkwind album they ever did. Maybe it was only an Hallucination I'm no stranger to such things... DAne From Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM Wed May 14 09:13:09 1997 From: Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:13:09 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dancing_on_B=D6C=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: I went to Monaco this week-end for the famous formula 1 grand prix. On Saturday evening, I was passing by the most famous corner of the f1 circuit "la rascasse", named after the caf? located there. My first surprise was that they were playing "good music", and very loud. I mean a lot of blues/rock type of music. And to my biggest surprise, the next song they played after we ordered a beer was "Roadhouse blues", the B?C version!!! Incredible. That's the first time I hear a B?C song somewhere else that at home or in my car... Just unbelievable. I talked to the guy is not a fan, but just loved this one. And he played it again next night... I know that this is only somebody else's song, but still, what a day: a Ferrari wins and I can hear B?C in a pub the same day! Just to let you know I had a good week-end... ____________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corp. CCS Switzerland tel: +41 22 709 4979 fax: +41 22 709 4140 mailto:moriaud at mail.dec.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 14 10:34:16 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:34:16 +0800 Subject: HW- Levitation Rules Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > In article , Dane Carlson > writes in follow up to Levitation being weak: > > >Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW > >release's. > > ASAM gets my vote as one of the strongest basically because it contains > the awesome Steppenwolf and is backed up with things like Reefer > Madness, Chronoglide Skyway, Kadu Flyer, City of Lagoons, whatever that > funky track opening side 2 is and so on... > > This leads me onto a convenient question: > > The lyrics for Steppenwolf are really brilliant, especially the way they > are sung with the hard edged consonants and exagerated pronounciation. > However, I have this nagging feeling that Calvert didn't in fact write > all these words and some should be credited to an ancient chinese > philosopher/poet. No I'm not kidding. Lines like "Under skies heavy with > snow, my eyes are convex lenses of ebony, embedded in amber" I think > should be credited to someone other than Calvert. > > Can anyone say whether this theory is total bullshit or if there is some > element of truth to it and maybe suggest where I picked this information > up from? > Maybe it's in the Herman Hesse novel, which I have, but never got round to reading? William From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 10:48:52 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:48:52 +0100 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Dane Carlson writes >I would think ASAM is the most "unlike" Hawkwind album they >ever did. Fair point in as much as it is possible for Hawkwind to do an "unlike" Hawkwind album! I didn't hear ASAM until 1979 but had I got it in '76, hot on the heels of WOTEOT, then I would probably have been mightily confused! Maybe in a few years time, it will be possible to look back on things like IITBOTFTBD and The White Zone and put them in their proper places as well because at present, I find it difficult to listen to them for more than 5 minutes in one session! Mark Edmonds From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 10:50:05 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:50:05 +0100 Subject: Dave Brock CDs Message-ID: Simple question: Did Wired for Sound and Agents of Chaos ever get released on CD? If they did and anyone has spares for trade, please e- mail me. Thanks, Mark Edmonds From Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM Wed May 14 10:35:32 1997 From: Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:35:32 +0100 Subject: BOC - in Europe?! Message-ID: BOC in Europe, and only in the Scandinavia countries...they must be joking! Last time it was only London and Paris is super small venues, and then Greece... ;-) And without any advertising! No press coverage, no nothing... Aaarg! ____________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corp. CCS Switzerland DTN: 821-4979 tel: +41 22 709 4979 fax: +41 22 709 4140 mailto:moriaud at mail.dec.com Dear All, I just checked the tour dates page at and it's announcing a Scandinavian date on August 10 - it was updated yesterday so this is fresh... Surely they can't come to Europe and not do London! Surely! Oh please please please! Can someone check if there are any other Europe dates planned? And I'll go and try and get my heart-rate down again... Yours, Jazza ______________________________________________________________________ _______ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ==================================================================== ==== From micci at SCI.FI Wed May 14 11:02:30 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:02:30 +0300 Subject: HW- Best Of F + R Message-ID: >>Mark Edmonds wrote: >I also vaguely remember that Vol. 1 had two different coloured sleeves: >silvery and white - can anyone confirm this? > Original silver&black cover, reissue white&black. Miikka From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 14 11:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Wed, 14 May 97 15:48 +0100 Message-ID: On 14 May 15:48, Mark Edmonds wrote: > Maybe in a few years time, it will be possible to look back on > things like IITBOTFTBD and The White Zone and put them in their proper > places as well because at present, I find it difficult to listen to them > for more than 5 minutes in one session! I'm just hoping that Alan will do an album length version of Wave Upon Wave. I have been known to put this track on repeat for up to 10 or 15 plays. But it does get a little repetitive after that. An album of gently varying wave programming would be excellent, IMO. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed May 14 10:57:19 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:57:19 +0200 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise Message-ID: At 10:26 14.05.97 EST, you wrote: >> As it happens, I went to all three of those gigs - the T&C was good, and = >> the Brixton gig was outstanding, but Hammersmith was really crap for = >> some reason... but that's Hawkwind for you! >It wasn't that bad,magnu was a pretty good opener,the violin was too low >down in the mix though. >I enjoyed rambo in space ,it sounded like a 20 minute version of acid test,but >I like Harveys tunes. IMHO 1989 was HAWKWIND's best year. The 1989 US tour and the following UK tour were the best they ever did !! Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 14 10:56:34 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:56:34 +0800 Subject: HW CD's & LP for sale Message-ID: Hi All I am looking at selling some of my HW stuff. I'm not going mad though, and getting rid of everything, only the ones I presently don't need. At this moment in time, what I have for sale is:- Space Ritual LP (with large fold-out cover) Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Virgin version) Tales from the Atomhenge The LP I'll probably sell for about $5 Australian (which is where I am located), and the CD's for about $15 each. Whoever is interested in some of these items might succeed if they haggle with me. I shall also be looking at getting rid of some CD EP's shortly as well as a few other items. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 14 11:05:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:05:38 +0800 Subject: Dave Brock CDs Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > Simple question: Did Wired for Sound and Agents of Chaos ever get > released on CD? If they did and anyone has spares for trade, please e- > mail me. > They did get released on CD (sort of), by Flicknife. It's code is SHARP 1842. They were released on one disk under the Agents of Chaos cover, and skipped the last two tracks. My question on these albums is how close to the HW versions are some of the material. Are they completely different recordings, or was the final versions (ie Heads, Wastelands of Sleep, and so on) taken from the same tapes and remixed with extra instruments? Final question: Anyone know what's on the upcoming Dave Brock CD? William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed May 14 11:11:34 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:11:34 -0400 Subject: Dave Brock CDs Message-ID: ---------- From: Mark Edmonds[SMTP:mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 10:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Dave Brock CDs Simple question: Did Wired for Sound and Agents of Chaos ever get released on CD? If they did and anyone has spares for trade, please e- mail me. Thanks, Mark Edmonds Yup, that was a "twofer" release on Flicknife, with a couple of tracks missing from the AoC release. Sorry, no spare change, errr, spare copies for tradin' (mebbe EBS might want to release these in the near future, hmmmm????). ObCD: Hawkwind / Eponymous (The version of "Cymbaline" on the remaster is pretty faithful to the PF release, but the PF release is a little more "spacey", iffn you can believe that!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed May 14 11:49:56 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:49:56 -0700 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules Message-ID: >Mark writes: >things like IITBOTFTBD and The White Zone and put them in their proper >places as well because at present, I find it difficult to listen to them >for more than 5 minutes in one session! Well there ya go. I like both these albums, I think ET is a bit stronger than IITBOTFTBD, but I think White Zone is great. At the moment only Alien 4/Love in Space are in the "I need to listen to them more" catagory. DAne NP: Cast - Four Aces From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Wed May 14 12:19:46 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:19:46 -0700 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: Well, I haven't seen any response to this, so I'm going to assume that everything you said is accurate! Thank you VERY much for this list! I appreciate the trouble you took. I have a few comments: >1971 In Search Of Space (UA) Is it "In Search of Space" or "X - In Search of Space"? I have this one on tape only, not having been able to find it back then (before CDs). >1973 Space Ritual Alive Is it "Alive" or "Live"? I could swear my copy says "Live." Also, isn't there a Space Ritual II? >1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' sleeve) > (also Griffin remastered CD as part of a package) I have the CD and it wasn't part of any package. Am I misunderstanding you? >1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Charisma) (CD also issued by > Griffin as part of a package) You know, I love this album (un-Hawkind-like tho I think it is) and I have NEVER seen it anywhere. Odd! >1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) > (Originally gatefold with poster. I have this album! I have this poster! >1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm I saw this album once. I seem to remember the sleeve containing some big apology letter, but it was hard to read and it was so long ago. Anyone know anything about this? >1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] OK. I have this album, and I heard that the plug was wrongly wired on the cover, and then they changed covers and the plug was wired correctly. The letter where I read this info said the wrongly-wired version was rare and valuable. So first, is that true? And second, how can I tell if it is wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... Thanks again! Alan From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 14 12:19:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:19:00 EDT Subject: HW: Lev/Live 79 2fer Message-ID: >There used to be a Castle 2 for 1 pack which had both Levitation and >Live '79 each on their own CD. If anyone has this or is thinking of >getting a second hand one, the Levitation CD has a track index error and >the quality of the master is far worse than the single CD Castle release >- which I think was nearly the first ever Hawkwind CD to be released. >Anyone confirm this? I would dispute it. I have this 2 pack and there is nothing I'd complain about the Levitation disc as far as track layout or sound quality. Of course, the Live 79 disc is sheer pleasure. From a practical perspective, this seemed just a packaging change, why would anybody go to the trouble of remaking/mastering either or both discs? To release them at a lower price yet? Now if I wanted to rant about track layout, the Italian Psycheldelic Warlords bonus CD with one track 30 minutes long jumps to mind. Rudy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:26:21 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:26:21 +0100 Subject: HW- Best Of F + R In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Dane Carlson writes >>Best of Friends & Relations @ $13.99. Worth it? >>i'll take pretty much anything like say, a tape of Lucky Lief and the >>Longships.... >>Jon Browne > >I'll bite on this if whoever started this thread doesn't want it. > >DAne OK sport, I'll e u -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:24:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:24:05 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF radio show In-Reply-To: <009B4385.150F7E80.51@marywood1.marywood.edu> Message-ID: In message <009B4385.150F7E80.51 at marywood1.marywood.edu>, Bryan Pitkin writes >Until I get a computer & e-mail to use > >Space is deep >Bryan P. Pitkin >pitkin at ac.marywood.edu (until Sat.) >Wyndorf at hotmail.com (though I don't know how often I will get a chance to >check it) > >peace I can't believe you didn't play "Sword Of The East" Cheers, Bry see ya when you resub! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 14 18:01:24 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:01:24 BST Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: Alan Troup's message of Wed, 14 May 1997 09:19:46 -0700 Message-ID: Alan Troup writes: > Well, > > I haven't seen any response to this, so I'm going to assume that > everything you said is accurate! Thank you VERY much for > this list! I appreciate the trouble you took. I have a few comments: > > >1971 In Search Of Space (UA) > > Is it "In Search of Space" or "X - In Search of Space"? I have this one > on tape only, not having been able to find it back then (before CDs). There's a big X on the cover and I guess they were still remembering their time as Group X so it probably could be entitled X in Search of Space. However all the listings over the years have ignored the X bit and the title is usually left without it. > > >1973 Space Ritual Alive > > Is it "Alive" or "Live"? I could swear my copy says "Live." Could well be - the remastered CD is Space Ritual Alive - can't remember offhand which is the favoured or original form of it now. > Also, isn't > there > a Space Ritual II? It's one of the unofficials - a set of tapes from one of the shows that was issued (so far as I know) unedited and uncleaned. It was later reissued with another title. > > >1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' > sleeve) > > (also Griffin remastered CD as part of a package) > > I have the CD and it wasn't part of any package. Am I misunderstanding you? nope - sorry. I was trying to be brief. It exists as an official single Griffin CD as well as part of a Griffin package. > > >1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Charisma) (CD also issued by > > Griffin as part of a package) > > You know, I love this album (un-Hawkind-like tho I think it is) and I have > NEVER > seen it anywhere. Odd! There are official CDs of this around. I seem them occasionally. > > >1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) > > (Originally gatefold with poster. > > I have this album! I have this poster! <<<<>>> 8-) > > >1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm > > I saw this album once. I seem to remember the sleeve containing some > big apology letter, but it was hard to read and it was so long ago. Anyone > know anything about this? This explanation is archived somewhere - I'm sure I remember it from a while back. > > >1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] > > OK. I have this album, and I heard that the plug was wrongly wired on the > cover, and then they changed covers and the plug was wired correctly. > The letter where I read this info said the wrongly-wired version was rare > and valuable. So first, is that true? And second, how can I tell if it is > wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... > Check the colours! BANG..... oops - got it wrong again. The plug was never wired correctly. After the original issue of the album they had to rush out a whole set of stickers to put over the plug picture which read "DO NOT REMOVE THIS STICKER" to prevent idiots experimenting with this alternative form of energy supply. Of course everyone did - (remove the sticker I mean) but you can't without destroying the album cover so a cover with the sticker intact is rare. It was later reissued with just a blank space where the plug pic. used to be. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed May 14 13:07:17 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:07:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Air that I Breathe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > Of course the Fire Marshall isn't too happy about an "oxygen rich > environment", but time will tell. Hmm? I thought O2 would burn only if there was H2 present. Damon From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 14 13:26:41 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:26:41 -0400 Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 1997, Alan Troup wrote: > I haven't seen any response to this, so I'm going to assume that > everything you said is accurate! Thank you VERY much for > this list! I appreciate the trouble you took. I have a few comments: > >1973 Space Ritual Alive > > Is it "Alive" or "Live"? I could swear my copy says "Live." Also, isn't > there > a Space Ritual II? There *is* a _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_, but it isn't a "legitimate release," which is why Jill left it off her list. (That doesn't stop it having *the best* version of "Time We Left This World Today" on it, though.:) > >1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' > sleeve) > > (also Griffin remastered CD as part of a package) > > I have the CD and it wasn't part of any package. Am I misunderstanding you? Originally it was remastered by Griffin and released as a boxed package containing it and the collectors guide to Hawkwind book. Subsequently, the CD was made available sans book. (In fact, all the Griffin specialty package CDs were later made available separately.) > >1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] > > OK. I have this album, and I heard that the plug was wrongly wired on the > cover, and then they changed covers and the plug was wired correctly. > The letter where I read this info said the wrongly-wired version was rare > and valuable. So first, is that true? And second, how can I tell if it is > wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... If it looked okay to you, then remind me never to ask you to do any electrical wiring for me. ;-) Basically, they connected the "live" wire to the earth pin (and vice versa, if memory serves), which is something you're probably not going to find in any DIY or safety manuals any time soon. :-) Of course, if you're not familiar with how British plugs are wired, you'd probably not see the harm in it. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Live Drug_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed May 14 13:30:22 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:30:22 -0700 Subject: OFF: The Air that I Breathe Message-ID: >> Of course the Fire Marshall isn't too happy about an "oxygen rich >> environment", but time will tell. >Hmm? I thought O2 would burn only if there was H2 present. Obviously someone doesn't remember Apollo 1..... From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed May 14 13:36:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:36:00 EDT Subject: OFF: O2 Bars Message-ID: >It also shouldn't make any difference what you earn/what your economical >standard are when you're going to use medical care or related services...like >oxygen bars -I meen you shouldn't have to consider if you can afford the service >or not, good medical treatment is not for rich people only... Daniel, you socialist bastid (insert smiley). You misunderstand, these are NOT for medicinal purposes, but strictly an upscale trendy thing. They "flavor" the oxygen by bubbling it through flavored waters. In Toronto, they had to lower the concentration because of the risk of harmful effects to patrons sucking on pure O2 for 20 minutes. We evolved in a roughly 20% concentration of the gas and our bodies are designed for that level, not dramatically more or less. Both lead to bad things. This is just a way to separate rubes from their money. Now if there were nitrous bars, I'd be on your free access for the masses bandwagon in a heartbeat. Rudy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:21:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:21:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Top Ten! In-Reply-To: <01BC5FB6.0763D140@dynamic-2.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC5FB6.0763D140 at dynamic-2.async.pyramid.com>, Craig Shipley writes >You have never heard the original "Cymbaline" by Pink Floyd?!?! Getcher butt >out to a CD Emporium right now and snag the remastered version of the soundtrack >"More" and listen to the original. This is one of my favorite early Floyd >releases and the >new remasters do for the Floyd what the EMI's did for the Hawks. The music on >"More" is >all over the spectrum, so don't give up if you don't like the song thats' >playing; wait two minutes >and it'll change... It's true. Cymbaline IMO is one of the Floyd's best efforts ever. And with all due respect, etc, the HW cover ain't *quite* as good as the original. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 14 05:10:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:10:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Top Ten! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Damon (non-Quest-related)" writes >I apologize, but I must disagree. His onstage antics might earn him the >title "Member who -seems- to have the least sanity", but he's such a nice >guy in person. Exactly. Nik is supersane. This naturally can appear a little unusual to the rest of us mortals . I've met him a couple of times, and found him sharp as a razor, as well as friendly and approachable. -- Jon Browne From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed May 14 14:02:38 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:02:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Air that I Breathe In-Reply-To: from "QUEST" at May 14, 97 12:07:17 pm Message-ID: >> Of course the Fire Marshall isn't too happy about an "oxygen rich >> environment", but time will tell. > >Hmm? I thought O2 would burn only if there was H2 present. [I know I'm going to hate myself for this, and, as moderator, I _really_ should be better than this, but... I can't resist asking this any longer:] So... Do you think the oxygen bars will have designated smoking sections? :-) YnSSHM, Ben From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed May 14 14:53:10 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:53:10 -0400 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: Jill & Alan be sayin' > > >1973 Space Ritual Alive > > Is it "Alive" or "Live"? I could swear my copy says "Live." Could well be - the remastered CD is Space Ritual Alive - can't remember offhand which is the favoured or original form of it now. Well, taking my old UA vinyl outta storage, it reads, (front cover) SPACE RITUAL HAWKWIND (spine) SPACE RITUAL, ALIVE IN LIVERPOOL AND LONDON (which is also what the LP's label reads, 'cept it says "THE SPACE RITUAL, etc, etc.) So, none of 'em are correct, perhaps???? > Also, isn't > there > a Space Ritual II? To be an anorak about it, it is SPACE RITUAL VOL. II, according to my LP... It's one of the unofficials - a set of tapes from one of the shows that was issued (so far as I know) unedited and uncleaned. It was later reissued with another title. > > >1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) > > (Originally gatefold with poster. > > I have this album! I have this poster! <<<<>>> 8-) Me, too! But I still have the sticker that came with mine... <<<>>>> :-) > > >1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm > > I saw this album once. I seem to remember the sleeve containing some > big apology letter, but it was hard to read and it was so long ago. Anyone > know anything about this? It reads: The Hawkwind Party TO ALL SPACE * THIS IS JUST A SMALL MESSAGE TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE BACK ON COURSE. LAST YEAR WAS THE WORST YEAR FOR US, FINDING US IN DEBT AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE MODERN WORLD. WE HAVE HAD A FEW CHANGES THE SACKING OF NIK TURNER PAUL RUDOLPH AND ALAN POWELL #### ### ############ AND THE ARRIVAL OF ADRIAN SHAW OUR OLD FRIEND FROM "MAGIC MUSCLE". YOUR LETTER TO(do?) GET TO US THROUGH A DEVIOUS ROUTE HAD TO BE FOUND WE DO APPRECIATE THEM AND THE IDEAS SO ONCE AGAIN WE'LL TRY AND GET THE MOTORS RUNNING AND TAKE OFF. SEE YOU SOON HAWKWIND This explanation is archived somewhere - I'm sure I remember it from a while back. > > >1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] > > OK. I have this album, and I heard that the plug was wrongly wired on the > cover, and then they changed covers and the plug was wired correctly. > The letter where I read this info said the wrongly-wired version was rare > and valuable. So first, is that true? And second, how can I tell if it is > wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... > Check the colours! BANG..... oops - got it wrong again. The plug was never wired correctly. After the original issue of the album they had to rush out a whole set of stickers to put over the plug picture which read "DO NOT REMOVE THIS STICKER" to prevent idiots experimenting with this alternative form of energy supply. Of course everyone did - (remove the sticker I mean) but you can't without destroying the album cover so a cover with the sticker intact is rare. It was later reissued with just a blank space where the plug pic. used to be. Yeah, the big problem was that the ground (earth, green/yellow) wire was on one of the hot lugs. Not a good thing to do. And I only pulled back a little corner of my sticker when I saw that it was ripping up the cover... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ObCDPlayer: Alan Parsons / On Air Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 14 10:54:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:54:01 +0200 Subject: BOC: Re: off: Styx tour / Theo what does it all mean? Message-ID: theo; >Daniel, >Howls! but consider yourself lucky. The idea of my old man >listening to any decent music [or any music at all] is >incomprehensible. Hey, how old's your dad? Maybe I'm older than he >is. He's 46, I'm 23 (it's my birthday today...) We often lend each other albums... the heaviest thing he ever has borrowed must be Type-O-Negatives "Bloody Kisses"... > BTW, as you mentioned Live '76, how 'bout Al's over-the-top >drumming throughout? Al was posessed that night... Yes!!! And he also seems to enjoy the show, which is nice... ...if Al reads this... do you have any special members of that night ...in the case you remember anything at all... :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 14 10:35:29 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:35:29 +0200 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules Message-ID: Does ASAM exist in a remixed version? -Daniel At 07:20 AM 5/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >I wrote: >>Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW >>release's. > >>Marc E wrote: >>ASAM gets my vote as one of the strongest basically because it contains >>the awesome Steppenwolf and is backed up with things like Reefer >>Madness, Chronoglide Skyway, Kadu Flyer, City of Lagoons, whatever that >>funky track opening side 2 is and so on... > >I must confess to not having heard ASAM in a long while. I really dislike Kerb Crawler. Kadu Flyer is good. Steppenwolf as you said is killer, truly some of Calvert's finest moments (if indeed this true). Just a brillant song. Reefer M I liked simply because it was about pot smoking, as a song I find the live 77 tour version much better. I would think ASAM is the most "unlike" Hawkwind album they ever did. > >Maybe it was only an Hallucination I'm no stranger to such things... >DAne > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 14 11:08:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:08:23 +0200 Subject: BOC - in Europe?! Message-ID: At 03:00 PM 5/14/97 +0100, you wrote: > Dear All, > I just checked the tour dates page at > > and it's announcing a Scandinavian date on August 10 - it was >updated yesterday so this is fresh... Yes, yes ,yes, yes!!!! What a birthday present... ... I'll kill myself if this is sick joke or something... ... I now promise this; "If they'll play in Denmark (and maybe even in some other Scandinavian countries) then I'll never ever again make any silly Godot jokes!" Jerry -will you be there if this really is going to happen? Holland is not far away from Denmark. >Surely they can't come to Europe and >not do London! Surely! Oh please please please! Well, the first country BOC sold gold in was Sweden ("ST")... Bolle ran the European fanclub from Sweden... so now I want to now what England has done to deserve yet another BOC concert... ;-) ...I meen they haven't played here in ages and I'll guess England has been visited a few times after the release of "Imaginos"... >Can someone check if there >are any other Europe dates planned? And I'll go and try and get my >heart-rate down again... Yours, > Jazza Jarret -can YOU start checking my English again? Seriously -I think I need it! mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 14 11:13:45 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:13:45 +0200 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules Message-ID: >Does ASAM exist in a remixed version? -Daniel Ehrm, of courese I meen a reMASTERED version. -Daniel again At 07:20 AM 5/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >I wrote: >>Out and Intake and ASAM gets my vote as weakest (not awful, just weak) HW >>release's. > >>Marc E wrote: >>ASAM gets my vote as one of the strongest basically because it contains >>the awesome Steppenwolf and is backed up with things like Reefer >>Madness, Chronoglide Skyway, Kadu Flyer, City of Lagoons, whatever that >>funky track opening side 2 is and so on... > >I must confess to not having heard ASAM in a long while. I really dislike Kerb Crawler. Kadu Flyer is good. Steppenwolf as you said is killer, truly some of Calvert's finest moments (if indeed this true). Just a brillant song. Reefer M I liked simply because it was about pot smoking, as a song I find the live 77 tour version much better. I would think ASAM is the most "unlike" Hawkwind album they ever did. > >Maybe it was only an Hallucination I'm no stranger to such things... >DAne > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed May 14 15:58:47 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:58:47 EDT Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: >Whith this I don't meen that doctors should (well... maybe some of >them... I >don't like the ieda of being a doctor to get rich... it should be a >calling)have their wages reduced... > >Lots of "shouldn't-s" above. :-) >A rather political statement too I supose. Yes...but professional atheletes should have their wages reduced as well, no? From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 14 16:06:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:06:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Air that I Breathe Message-ID: > Hmm? I thought O2 would burn only if there was H2 present. o2 will feed any fire started by any means. i also believe it ignites when its pure form blends with certain petroleum based jels. rj > Damon From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Wed May 14 16:33:19 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:33:19 -0700 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: This is a reply to several mails at once, so forgive me if some of it is not in order! Space Ritual: >Well, taking my old UA vinyl outta storage, it reads, >(front cover) SPACE RITUAL HAWKWIND >(spine) SPACE RITUAL, ALIVE IN LIVERPOOL AND LONDON (which is also >what the LP's label reads, 'cept it says "THE SPACE RITUAL, etc, etc.) >So, none of 'em are correct, perhaps???? That sounds right. I can't wait to get home and check! I have both the vinyl and the CD. And now I'm going to show my ignorance once again. On the album, the music ends and the applause fades down at the end of each record side, and fades up again at the start of each record side. This is normal for those days, but it always annoyed me (especially on "Orgone Accumulator." (By the way, can anyone tell me what Hawkwind's connection to orgone accumulators was? This isn't a quiz - I really don't know!)) When I bought the CD, there were 2 CDs, and I fully expected solid noise - not fade-downs and fade ups. Boy, was I disappointed! It seems to me that the original recording would not have that. Is a "remastered" Space Ritual CD one that does not have these fades? Or is it just a better recording? Space Ritual II: >To be an anorak about it, it is SPACE RITUAL VOL. II, according to my LP... Thanks! >There *is* a _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_, but it isn't a "legitimate release," >which is why Jill left it off her list. (That doesn't stop it having *the >best* version of "Time We Left This World Today" on it, though.:) Well, that sucks! Here my original post was about buying only legitimate albums, and now here's one I want, that's not legit! Hmmmm.... Hawkwind Apology Thanks for this info! PXR5: >The plug was never wired correctly. After the original issue of the album >they had to rush out a whole set of stickers to put over the plug picture >which read "DO NOT REMOVE THIS STICKER" That's the one I have - I peeled it back just enough to look at the wiring, but nothing jumped out at me as being wrong, so I put the sticker back. I don't think my cover is ripped - I'll check... >If it looked okay to you, then remind me never to ask you to do any >electrical wiring for me. ;-) Cute.... >Of course, if you're not familiar with how British plugs are wired, you'd >probably not see the harm in it. Ah - not familiar in the least! Thanks for that info! I don't feel like such a loser now! In Search Of Space: >There's a big X on the cover and I guess they were still remembering >their time as Group X so it probably could be entitled X in Search of >Space. However all the listings over the years have ignored the X >bit and the title is usually left without it. The reason I asked was that Brian Tawn's text in the "Psychedelic Warlords" CD booklet consistently lists it as "X" - and I guessed him to be some sort of Hawkwind authority... ASAM: >There are official CDs of this around. I seem them occasionally. Must be a hot seller! Thanks to all for your replies! Alan From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed May 14 17:23:49 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:23:49 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: DharmaBrock Message-ID: I got email from one of the organizers of the Labor Day festival that might include both Dave Brock and Buck Dharma. He was curious about what interest there would be in such a thing. But, he isn't on boc-l, so he wanted me to ask for him. So... react. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 14 17:46:37 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:46:37 +0100 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules, no first 2 tracks rule Message-ID: >Reefer M I liked simply because it was about pot smoking, as a song I find >the live 77 tour ver sion much better. I would think ASAM is the most "unlike" Hawkwind album they ever did. Hi Some of it was different ntyohing like I had heard before and that was a latter hawkwind album I heard Before and I'd heard, early ones, complaition from borthers friend, Hammersmith Oden 88 radio broadcast, eletric teepee so quite a bit. The best part of steepend wolf is where Calvert sings I am a wolf man, the man in me would eat the wolf and I am a mad wolf, the wolf in me will kill the man. I've probably got that wrong since I can never remeber the order but I just love the idea and wording. Oh and there was a bit I couldn't make out until I found out it was german and I liek that to. Was Honky Dorky recorded sepratly to refer madness or did they mix them in because they are almost the same. Both good songs. I also like the way the voline and saxpohne switch stereo channels in Refer madness Oh and the train at the beinging. As for the rest of the album I havn't heard it so much but I'm sure I like other tracks as well. The onyl better thing about steepen wolf live in 77 was the fact it was faster. Ig the orginal was faster it migth ave been better. It's all just IMHO as everyone else likes to say. Timothy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 14 17:57:13 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:57:13 +0100 Subject: HW- ASAM Rules and now ITBOTFTBD Message-ID: Mark said: Maybe in a few years time, it will be possible to look back on things like IITBOTFTBD and The White Zone and put them in their proper places as well because at present, I find it difficult to listen to them for more than 5 minutes in one session! Hi IITBOTFTBD grow on me but I find each single track is good on there own but as a whole ablum there is to much eletornic instuermental music so if every track had been on another album fine but not altogether. Oddly enough I really like Space I their (plistine) but didn't orginaly. I love their reapting oriental bit. Alos odes anyone know why Hawkwiwnd did Tebit is not chain (part 1) lvie instead of part 2 since parts much better. Timothy Langner PS What does Whiteroom sound like? From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 14 18:12:07 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:12:07 +0100 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: Alan said: >Is it "Alive" or "Live"? I could swear my copy says "Live." Also, isn't >there a Space Ritual II? There is. It's basicly London gig from eletronic number 1 until end of welceom to the future. Is it unmixed? I like it a lot Especial orgone acculator and BRainston. This version of orgone acculator is better than the one on Space ritual but not as long. Also I love the fact they incldued all of brainstorm. I just wodner where Shouldn't do that and all before Eletornic no. 1 are. If somoene can reliase this (okay without paying band) then why can't some relaise the pervious parts? >1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm I saw this album once. I seem to remember the sleeve containing some big apology letter, but it was hard to read and it was so long ago. Anyone know anything about this? I got this album few months ago for 2.50UKP. It has a inner sleve with some hand wirtten writing by brook sayign that Hick turner and Allan poweel and Paul Rudpoh were given the sack and mentioned that. Then said that Arain Shaw was a new guy in and it was gogin to sound good or something. On the other side was typed words to the songs with mistakes in all and words xxxx over. Meant to be by bob calvert but I can't belive he spent tiem doing it. Also dig the backdrop which was some cirular graph apepr cursty of some company. Why did hawkwind put it as the backdrop? >OK. I have this album, and I heard that the plug was wrongly wired on the >cover, and then they changed covers and the plug was wired correctly. >The letter where I read this info said the wrongly-wired version was rare >and valuable. So first, is that true? > >It is ture. They put a sticker over it correctly wired afterwards but it was >a nonremoveable sticker. And second, how can I tell if it is wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... All I know is G is nutral B is live and B is something else or is that wrong. I don't know but if you can wire a plug it got the live and nural swoped round or the live and earth swooped round. Timothy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 14 18:19:38 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:19:38 +0100 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: jill said: >Of course everyone did - (remove the sticker I mean) but you can't without destroying the album cover so a cover with the sticker intact is rare. It was later reissued with just a blank space where the plug pic. used to be. Hi, I've got a 1984 re-issue. Is the plug of that wired incorrectly or correctly. Timothy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed May 14 18:36:05 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:36:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Lev/Live 79 2fer Message-ID: Rudy said: >Now if I wanted to rant about track layout, the Italian Psycheldelic Warlords bonus CD with one track 30 minutes long jumps to mind. Which song was this, that lasted 30mintues? I'd love to hear hawkwind do a song for 30mins live. Timothy Langner From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed May 14 19:44:22 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:44:22 EDT Subject: HW/BOC: DharmaBrock Message-ID: Tell him that it is a fantastic idea. BOC has a decent following in NY, some of whom even went to a classic rock fest in Buffalo last summer just to hear them play 5 songs... Diversity in festivals is always beneficial to the bands (who get exposed to a new clique of fans), the promoters (who draw in larger crowds to see each type of band instead of just fans of one genre), and the fans (who get introduced to a style of music that they may not have experienced live). Oh, it would also be a perfect event for me to wear my Nethawks t-shirt to! I'm a BOC fan who was infected with the Hawkwind virus back in '93 because of this list. Rock is Rock, and I believe that Hassan I Sahba, or Alien (I Am), fits in smoothly with The Vigil, and Harvest Moon. Perhaps the most important aspect of these two bands is that they both put on GREAT SHOWS. That should be more important than their differences in musical style. Now, invite the Brain Surgeons, and you've got yourself a festival that could lay Lollapalooza to rest permanently... Brian >I got email from one of the organizers of the Labor Day festival that >might include both Dave Brock and Buck Dharma. He was curious about >what interest there would be in such a thing. But, he isn't on boc-l, >so he wanted me to ask for him. So... react. From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed May 14 20:18:05 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:18:05 -0700 Subject: Alan Ashley Message-ID: What a surprise to see this name!! A few months ago I bought several had to find HW items from an Alan Ashley from the UK. He was selling all his stuff and going into a monastery. I wonder if it was the same person? One if the 211, John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 14 21:03:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:03:44 +0800 Subject: HW: Lev/Live 79 2fer Message-ID: langner timothy wrote: > > Rudy said: > >Now if I wanted to rant about track layout, the Italian Psycheldelic > Warlords bonus CD with one track 30 minutes long jumps to mind. > > Which song was this, that lasted 30mintues? I'd love to hear hawkwind do a > song for 30mins live. > The album has quite a few tracks on it, but there is no seperate tracks on the CD (if you see what I mean), meaning it's all just one long track. It also has Hi-Tech Cities from Earthed to the Ground on it. William From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 14 22:36:53 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:36:53 -0400 Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: <199705142219.XAA07396@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 1997, langner timothy wrote: > Hi, I've got a 1984 re-issue. Is the plug of that wired incorrectly or > correctly. You mean you can't tell?? Something about that is a tad unnerving... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Faust, _IV_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 14 22:39:12 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:39:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Lev/Live 79 2fer In-Reply-To: <199705142236.XAA07972@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 1997, langner timothy wrote: > Rudy said: > >Now if I wanted to rant about track layout, the Italian Psycheldelic > Warlords bonus CD with one track 30 minutes long jumps to mind. > > Which song was this, that lasted 30mintues? I'd love to hear hawkwind do a > song for 30mins live. It actually contains several tracks, but whoever mastered the CD didn't include index marks for them, hence it shows up as one long track. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Wall of Sleep, _Wall of Sleep_ From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed May 14 22:51:34 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:51:34 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: DharmaBrock In-Reply-To: <199705142123.RAA23120@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at May 14, 97 05:23:49 pm Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > > I got email from one of the organizers of the Labor Day festival that > might include both Dave Brock and Buck Dharma. He was curious about > what interest there would be in such a thing. But, he isn't on boc-l, > so he wanted me to ask for him. So... react. > Well, I've been off the list for a while, so my reaction is: What Labor Day festival, and do you mean thay might play TOGETHER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? HAWK-N-BLUE IN '92!!!!! Errr, sorry. Just had a (tidal) wave of nostalgia wash over me. ;-) Steve From stayer at PI.NET Thu May 15 02:12:13 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:12:13 -0700 Subject: BOC in Europe?! Message-ID: [ BOC in Scandinavia, August 10 ] Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Yes, yes ,yes, yes!!!! What a birthday present... > ... I'll kill myself if this is sick joke or something... No, if it appears to be a sick joke, we'll torture the bastard who started it... > Jerry -will you be there if this really is going to happen? > Holland is not far away from Denmark. Kobenhavn is about 750 km from Amsterdam - not too far. Unfortunately, I'll be in Poland around that time. Well, "unfortunately" is not the word, since I hope to see some other bands there, and we arranged to meet some lovely girls... Jazza: > >Surely they can't come to Europe and > >not do London! Surely! Oh please please please! Daniel: > Well, the first country BOC sold gold in was Sweden ("ST")... Bolle ran > the European fanclub from Sweden... so now I want to now what England > has done to deserve yet another BOC concert... ;-) > ...I meen they haven't played here in ages and I'll guess England has > been visited a few times after the release of "Imaginos"... Dec 95 was the last time, wasn't it? What about Holland - 1978 was the last time (probably same as Sweden). Even Germany - when was that? 1992?! Only one date in Europe would be way too expensive. Also, with a record company (SPV) in Germany, well if they still are, they just /can't/ skip Germany. Jerry From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu May 15 04:45:28 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:45:28 -0700 Subject: HW- Levitation Rules Message-ID: ---------- > This leads me onto a convenient question: > > The lyrics for Steppenwolf are really brilliant, especially the way they > are sung with the hard edged consonants and exagerated pronounciation. > However, I have this nagging feeling that Calvert didn't in fact write > all these words and some should be credited to an ancient chinese > philosopher/poet. No I'm not kidding. Lines like "Under skies heavy with > snow, my eyes are convex lenses of ebony, embedded in amber" I think > should be credited to someone other than Calvert. > Maybe these lyrics _are_ from the Hesse book, but why the hell couldn't Cal have written them? He did write 10 Seconds of Forever, The Awakening, The Greenfly And The Rose, Spirit Of The Age, etc... And Silver Machine (okay, just kidding on this one...) > Can > Many thanks, > > Mark Edmonds Charlie From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu May 15 05:13:58 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:13:58 +0100 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: Re: HW: honestly! To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L On Wed, 14 May 1997, langner timothy wrote: Paul said: >> Hi, I've got a 1984 re-issue. Is the plug of that wired incorrectly or >> correctly. > >You mean you can't tell?? Something about that is a tad unnerving... I can wrie a plug if it's in front of me but give me a diagram and I'd probably won't know. Besides my albums at my parents home so I can't take a look. A fianl excuess, I was also away when we wried plugs in one sicence lession at school. Having side all that I reare need to wire a plug. Timothy Langner From micci at SCI.FI Thu May 15 05:57:42 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:57:42 +0300 Subject: hawklords booklet Message-ID: Hi, I wonder that how rare is that booklet what came with some original hawklord album? How many copies there actuality was? Miikka From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 15 06:31:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:31:28 +0200 Subject: OFF: O2 Bars Message-ID: At 01:36 PM 5/14/97 EDT, you wrote: >>It also shouldn't make any difference what you earn/what your economical >>standard are when you're going to use medical care or related >services...like >>oxygen bars -I meen you shouldn't have to consider if you can afford the >service >>or not, good medical treatment is not for rich people only... Rudy writes; >Daniel, you socialist bastid (insert smiley). Well, I'm a socialist... but bastard :-) ... I'll guess that's not up to me to decide :-) >You misunderstand, these are >NOT for medicinal purposes, but strictly an upscale trendy thing. No, honestly, I didn't misunderstood... I knew it wasn't a matter of medical treatment (but a trendy thing if you want to put it that way) but when I did my reply a lot of different thoughts came to my mind, that I felt I had to write because I saw certain likeness in the subjects. >They >"flavor" the oxygen by bubbling it through flavored waters. Jesus, this is one of the most silliest things I ever heard. It's almost as stupid as those vegetables on sale in England that are flavoured with candy taste -just to get kids to eat them (haven't somebody mentioned this on this list before?) I did my military service as a diver in the navy and oxygen bars was a part of our first aid kit (you use in case of suspected caisson disease) and I often tested the bars before the divings to see that they worked as they were supposed to... and pure oxygen has a pleasent refreshing "taste". > In Toronto, >they had to lower the concentration because of the risk of harmful effects >to patrons sucking on pure O2 for 20 minutes. We evolved in a roughly 20% >concentration of the gas and our bodies are designed for that level, not >dramatically more or less. Both lead to bad things. This is just a way to >separate rubes from their money. Yup! Agree! ...and another thought too; this is a clear case of when somebody is trying to cure the symptoms instead of the disease (i.e the pollution of the enviroment). > Now if there were nitrous bars, I'd be on >your free access for the masses bandwagon in a heartbeat. Have you ever taken a ride in a pressure cabin? This is something everybody should try once in their life -just sitting there and getting drunk/high on nitrogen is fabulous. I have done this three times to a pressure that is equivalent to 50meters depth in the ocean and then I was laughing uninterruptingly at everything -the snot on my hand was unbelievingly funny, I laughed at the fact that I laughed and so on... but the funniest thing of them all was when one of the conscripts mentioned that his depth-meter was made in Finland... then I started to cry of happiness! mvh -Daniel > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 15 06:41:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:41:15 -0400 Subject: HW/BOC: DharmaBrock Message-ID: > I got email from one of the organizers of the Labor Day festival that > might include both Dave Brock and Buck Dharma. He was curious about > what interest there would be in such a thing. But, he isn't on boc-l, > so he wanted me to ask for him. So... react. i wouldn't think you would need a reaction. tell jim or whoever to make it happen. rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 15 06:44:42 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:44:42 +0200 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: At 03:58 PM 5/14/97 EDT, you wrote: >>With this I don't meen that doctors should (well... maybe some of >>them... I >>don't like the ieda of being a doctor to get rich... it should be a >>calling)have their wages reduced... >> >>Lots of "shouldn't-s" above. :-) >>A rather political statement too I supose. > >Yes...but professional atheletes should have their wages reduced as well, >no? > > Hehe, well... why not? A lot of wages in sports are with no doubt too high... but at the same time there's a lack of the moral dilemma that comes with well-payed doctors. But... atheletes are payed for doing nothing really... and thats another moral dilemma... And yet another dilemma... maybe those who are working with human life should have the highest wages of everybody 'cause it's such a importent job... But... -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 15 06:31:22 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:31:22 +0100 Subject: hawklords booklet In-Reply-To: <199705150957.MAA09419@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: In article <199705150957.MAA09419 at ds9.sci.fi>, Miikka Wagner writes >Hi, > >I wonder that how rare is that booklet what came with some original hawklord >album? How many copies there actuality was? > Eh? If this is not the Log Book or the Church of Hawkwind booklet then what is it? Mark Edmonds From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 15 07:13:36 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:13:36 +0100 Subject: OFF New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: >But... atheletes are payed for doing nothing really... and thats another moral >dilemma... If it's "nothing", why don't you have a try? - Andy ObCD: Radio Birdman - _Ritualism_ *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 15 07:24:49 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:24:49 +0100 Subject: HW: hawklords booklet Message-ID: >Eh? If this is not the Log Book or the Church of Hawkwind booklet then >what is it? It's a little A5 booklet that explains how factories making car doors are really making wings for angels. I bought my copy of _25 Years On_ on the day of release, and it didn't have one - didn't know it was meant to - but they were on sale at that tour for 50p or so. - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2072 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 15 07:30:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:30:55 EDT Subject: off:Anything in the Netherlands? Message-ID: > From: Jerry > > Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > Yes, yes ,yes, yes!!!! What a birthday present... > > ... I'll kill myself if this is sick joke or something... > > No, if it appears to be a sick joke, we'll torture the bastard who started it... > > > Jerry -will you be there if this really is going to happen? > > Holland is not far away from Denmark. > > Kobenhavn is about 750 km from Amsterdam - not too far. Unfortunately, I'll be in Poland > around that time. Well, "unfortunately" is not the word, since I hope to see some other > bands there, and we arranged to meet some lovely girls... > > > Dec 95 was the last time, wasn't it? What about Holland - 1978 was the last time > (probably same as Sweden). Even Germany - when was that? 1992?! Only one date in Europe > would be way too expensive. Also, with a record company (SPV) in Germany, well if they > still are, they just /can't/ skip Germany. > > Jerry Well, what about the next two weeks, Jerry? We're landing in Amsterdam monday morning enroute to Brusel. Any worthwhile concerts/bars I should know about? I'll be based in Brusel, but Amsterdam's only a couple of hours away, right, so I could easily make the trip. Besides, I'll be visiting Amsterdam at least a couple of times to sample the local 'culture.' theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 15 07:39:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:39:47 EDT Subject: BOC in Darien/Wheezer Message-ID: >> From: BRIAN HALLIGAN > Tell him that it is a fantastic idea. BOC has a decent following in NY, some > of whom even went to a classic rock fest in Buffalo last summer just to > hear them play 5 songs... Diversity in festivals is always beneficial to the > bands (who get exposed to a new clique of fans), the promoters (who draw in > larger crowds to see each type of band instead of just fans of one genre), and > the fans (who get introduced to a style of music that they may not have > experienced live). Oh, it would also be a perfect event for me to wear my > Nethawks t-shirt to! Brian, BD said in one of the chats that BOC was playing at Darien Lake this summer. I forget what the date was. Have you heard anything about the gig? Do you know if it's a BOC gig or a stop on the Wheezer Fest tour? theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 15 13:29:30 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:29:30 BST Subject: OFF: The Air that I Breathe In-Reply-To: Ben Cohen's message of Wed, 14 May 1997 14:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: Ben Cohen writes: > >> Of course the Fire Marshall isn't too happy about an "oxygen rich > >> environment", but time will tell. > > > >Hmm? I thought O2 would burn only if there was H2 present. > > [I know I'm going to hate myself for this, and, as moderator, I _really_ > should be better than this, but... I can't resist asking this any longer:] > > So... Do you think the oxygen bars will have designated smoking sections? :-) Nah - that would be too air polluting. But I did hear that Hawkwind were invited to give a live performance complete with fire-show at one of these venues. Probably just a rumour..... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 15 08:58:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:58:00 +0100 Subject: HW: hawklords booklet In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Thu, 15 May 97 12:24 +0100 Message-ID: On 15 May 12:24, Andrew Gilham wrote: > I bought my copy of _25 Years On_ on the day of release, and it didn't = > have one - didn't know it was meant to - but they were on sale at that = > tour for 50p or so. I thought it was the tour programme. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 15 09:01:45 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:01:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: VERY OFF:New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: At 12:13 PM 5/15/97 +0100, you wrote: >>But... atheletes are payed for doing nothing really... and thats another moral >>dilemma... > >If it's "nothing", why don't you have a try? > >- Andy Because I don't like the idea of adults playing/acting like little children and become millioneers through the play. (Funny you have the same word for "playing" like children and "playing" football... in Swedish there are two words; "leka" and "spela"). -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 15 09:09:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:09:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: VERY OFF:New Trendy LA thing par In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's mail of Thu, 15 May 97 15:01 +0200 Message-ID: On 15 May 14:01, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Because I don't like the idea of adults playing/acting like little children > and become millioneers through the play. (Funny you have the same word for > "playing" like children and "playing" football... in Swedish there are two > words; "leka" and "spela"). We use the same word for playing music, as well. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 15 08:57:59 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:57:59 +1000 Subject: HW/OFF radio show In-Reply-To: <009B4385.150F7E80.51@marywood1.marywood.edu> Message-ID: On 14 May 97 at 0:20, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > 25 years (12' remix) A 12 *FOOT* remix - wow what a trip!!! There's one for the Codex ;^) Seriously .... goodonyamate, have a great "real" life and hurry up and get that PC happening! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu May 15 10:15:17 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:15:17 +1000 Subject: HW CD's & LP for sale Message-ID: At 10:56 PM 14/05/97 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >Hi All > >I am looking at selling some of my HW stuff. I'm not going mad though, >and getting rid of everything, only the ones I presently don't need. > >At this moment in time, what I have for sale is:- > >Space Ritual LP (with large fold-out cover) >Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Virgin version) >Tales from the Atomhenge > I need them William. Troy REply in private. > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 15 09:17:57 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:17:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: VERY OFF:New Trendy LA thing par Message-ID: >We use the same word for playing music, as well. > >Dave. Yes, I know... that's we can continue this discussion on this list :-) mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu May 15 09:23:33 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:23:33 -0500 Subject: Steppenwolf Lyrics Message-ID: >This leads me onto a convenient question: > >The lyrics for Steppenwolf are really brilliant, especially the way they >are sung with the hard edged consonants and exagerated pronounciation. >However, I have this nagging feeling that Calvert didn't in fact write >all these words and some should be credited to an ancient chinese >philosopher/poet. No I'm not kidding. Lines like "Under skies heavy with >snow, my eyes are convex lenses of ebony, embedded in amber" I think >should be credited to someone other than Calvert. > >Can anyone say whether this theory is total bullshit or if there is some >element of truth to it and maybe suggest where I picked this information >up from? >Mark Edmonds > No, these words you've quoted are Calvert's own. The lyrics are heavily based, however, upon the novel "Steppenwolf" by Hermann Hesse, which I highly recommend by the way. John Majka, English instructor flossbac at wcic.org From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu May 15 10:32:01 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:32:01 +1000 Subject: OFF: O2 Bars Message-ID: At 12:31 PM 15/05/97 +0200, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >At 01:36 PM 5/14/97 EDT, you wrote: > >Have you ever taken a ride in a pressure cabin? This is something >everybody should try once in their life -just sitting there and getting >drunk/high on nitrogen is fabulous. >I have done this three times to a pressure that is equivalent to 50meters >depth in the ocean and then I was laughing uninterruptingly at everything >-the snot on my hand was unbelievingly funny, I laughed at the fact that I >laughed and so on... but the funniest thing of them all was when one of the >conscripts mentioned that his depth-meter was made in Finland... then I started >to cry of happiness! > I did this too. In submarine school. It was hilarious. Everybody sounded just like Mickey Mouse. NOw I want to try it and listen to HW at the same time. BTW- I think the Brock Dharma gig is a fantasy. I suppose they could do Moorcock songs. or: (Don't fear) the Watcher. or Who's Gonna win when the war comes. etc. mmvh, Troy >mvh -Daniel > > >> > >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 15 09:55:52 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:55:52 +0100 Subject: BOC - in Europe?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 May 1997, Jean-Charles Moriaud wrote: > BOC in Europe, and only in the Scandinavia countries...they must be > joking! > Last time it was only London and Paris is super small venues, and then > Greece... ;-) I had no quarrel with that particular choice of venues... I just hope they make London. But you're right, there's been nothing. I think they're trying to get other things set up in Scandinavia, and they're not putting out any publicity until they have something to publicise. Let the album demon stay its hand here... Jazza From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 15 09:41:08 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:41:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Lev/Live 79 2fer In-Reply-To: <33795B1F@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: myself writes: >>There used to be a Castle 2 for 1 pack which had both Levitation and >>Live '79 each on their own CD. If anyone has this or is thinking of >>getting a second hand one, the Levitation CD has a track index error and >>the quality of the master is far worse than the single CD Castle release "Rudich, Robert A" >I would dispute it. I have this 2 pack and there is nothing I'd complain >about the Levitation disc as far as track layout or sound quality. Well for a simple start, the track index for Prelude/Who's Gonna Win The War is _wrong_. I can't remember how because I gave my 2 for 1 version to a friend who since left the country. The fact that there are two different versions of track indexing does tend to suggest two different masters. Secondly, the audio differences. A few years back I was comparing a new CD player I was thinking of buying to my existing one. The only CD which I had duplicate copies of at the time was Levitation so I stuck one in each CD machine to enable easy comparison. Therefore, one machine had the 2 for 1 version and the other had the version released with the original front sleeve and yellow back. I set them both playing and switched between the CD players to compare them. There was such a huge difference between them that initially, I thought I had something wired incorrectly! I checked the wiring, checked the discs and then switched the CDs over to see if the sound difference was due to the actual CDs. It turned out that it was. The 2for1 CD sounded like the sound had been thinned out - like the bass had been removed and the midrange zapped. The single CD issue didn't exactly sound brilliant anyway but it was much better than the 2for1. Conclusion: 1. Different track indexing between the two versions suggests different masters. 2. Huge difference in sound quality suggests different masters. Its a very simple observation to make but the 2for1 version of Levitation _is_ different to the single CD version (CLAC129? - I can't remember off hand). However, I couldn't tell much difference if any between the different versions of Live '79. Mark Edmonds From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu May 15 11:22:15 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:22:15 EDT Subject: BOC in Darien/Wheezer Message-ID: Theo said, >Brian, >BD said in one of the chats that BOC was playing at Darien Lake this >summer. I forget what the date was. Have you heard anything about >the gig? Do you know if it's a BOC gig or a stop on the Wheezer Fest >tour? >theo I haven't heard anything from here, but I'm so far away from a city that I can only pick up a classic rock station on the radio when I'm in the car. Luckily, I did hear that the Who were playing Darien Lake, so I get to watch Pete try one more windmill. I would think that BOC would be part of the Wheezer Fest for this one. I don't think they're a big enough act to headline there. Brian From micci at SCI.FI Thu May 15 12:16:45 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:16:45 +0300 Subject: hawklords booklet Message-ID: >In article <199705150957.MAA09419 at ds9.sci.fi>, Miikka Wagner > writes >>Hi, >> >>I wonder that how rare is that booklet what came with some original hawklord >>album? How many copies there actuality was? >> > >Eh? If this is not the Log Book or the Church of Hawkwind booklet then >what is it? > >Mark Edmonds > > I know that when album come out there was this booklet but very ltd. I have one! But can anyone tell how many there actuality was? Miikka From micci at SCI.FI Thu May 15 12:52:02 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:52:02 +0300 Subject: OFF: O2 Bars Message-ID: Daniel wrote: ..but the funniest thing of them all was when one of the >conscripts mentioned that his depth-meter was made in Finland... then I started >to cry of happiness! > What you mean? Is that good or bad thing. Miikka (Finland land of darkness) From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu May 15 13:42:34 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:42:34 +0200 Subject: OFF: O2 Bars & tubes Message-ID: At 07:52 PM 5/15/97 +0300, you wrote: >Daniel wrote: > > ..but the funniest thing of them all was when one of the >>conscripts mentioned that his depth-meter was made in Finland... then I started >>to cry of happiness! >> >What you mean? Is that good or bad thing. > >Miikka (Finland land of darkness) I don't know! :-) (...but I also think that was the funny thing back then) And to the rest of you... of course I don't mean oxygen "bars"... I wrote it twice and I hope you thought it was a funny mistake 'cos I did so :0) We had small oxygen _tubes_ in our little boat... mvh -Daniel > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 15 06:07:17 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:07:17 +0100 Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Alan Troup writes about Space Ritual >And now I'm going to show my ignorance once again. On the album, the >music ends and the applause fades down at the end of each record side, >and fades up again at the start of each record side. This is normal for >those days, but it always annoyed me (especially on "Orgone Accumulator." >(By the way, can anyone tell me what Hawkwind's connection to orgone >accumulators was? This isn't a quiz - I really don't know!)) When I >bought the CD, there were 2 CDs, and I fully expected solid noise - not >fade-downs and fade ups. Boy, was I disappointed! It seems to me that >the original recording would not have that. Is a "remastered" Space Ritual >CD one that does not have these fades? Or is it just a better recording? Basically, the One Way Records CD of Space Ritual is faithful to the LP format in that it contains the fades whereas the remastered version is continuous although if you know the LP format, the joins are obvious - but well done none the less. Mark Edmonds From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 15 04:46:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:46:05 +0100 Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: <199705142212.XAA07123@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199705142212.XAA07123 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >And second, how can I tell if it is >wrongly wired? It looked OK to me... > >All I know is G is nutral B is live and B is something else or is that wrong. >I don't know but if you can wire a plug it got the live and nural swoped round >or the live and earth swooped round. > >Timothy Langner OK OK The way to wire a plug in the UK. BLUE to the left (i.e. bL = left) BROWN to the right (i.e. bR = right) Green and Yellow to the middle ignore the "b" and the colour itself tells you where it goes lue to the left rown to the right ok? -- Jon Browne From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu May 15 15:54:05 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:54:05 +0200 Subject: HW: hawklords booklet Message-ID: hi, Trevor Hughes reprinted a few pages - maybe all, I am not sure- of the Hawklords booklet in his magazine. you can also find a few graphics and text-excerpts of the booklet on the HAWKWIND pages (Part IV) of the CALVERT site. the Calvert site: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ the Hawkwind page(s) - four parts: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu May 15 15:54:09 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:54:09 +0200 Subject: Steppenwolf Lyrics Message-ID: hi, calvert talked about the Steppenwolf lyrics in some interview - but never mentioned any segments he'd borrowed - and to me all those lines sound very 'Calvertian' - the whole thing is refecting on the original novel by Hermann Hesse mixing it with some of the typical movie-iconography of werewolf films....as you'll know if you want to have a look at an illustrated version of those lyrics go to: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/lywolf.htm knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri May 16 02:08:34 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:08:34 +1000 Subject: Hype? Message-ID: Greetings, Has anyone actualy read Calvert's Hype book. Just wondering. Well, it's time I left this world. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> (today) From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri May 16 04:11:37 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:11:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Terry Ollis Message-ID: This is probably a really dumb question, with answers in FAQs all over the place, if so please accept my apologies but... I was idly leafing through my old Hawkwind vinyl yesterday evening when I saw a picture on one of the sleeves of Terry Ollis (In search of Space?) he looked so totally out of it I wondered if he could still be around & if so where. Anyone know? Mike P From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 16 04:14:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:14:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Hype? Message-ID: >Has anyone actualy read Calvert's Hype book. Well, obviously. Went to the revue, too. What would you like to know about it? - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 16 13:19:39 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:19:39 BST Subject: HW: Terry Ollis In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Fri, 16 May 1997 09:11:37 +0100 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > This is probably a really dumb question, with answers in FAQs all over the > place, if so please accept my apologies but... > > I was idly leafing through my old Hawkwind vinyl yesterday evening when I > saw a picture on one of the sleeves of Terry Ollis (In search of Space?) he > looked so totally out of it I wondered if he could still be around & if so > where. > > Anyone know? He was drumming for a band a couple of years back - Dumpy's Rusty Nuts were advertising a couple of gigs for them but both were down south in pubs someplace. Can't remember the name now - sorry! He's obviously still occasionally around the club circuit - though probably local to his area only. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri May 16 08:41:32 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:41:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Terry Ollis Message-ID: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts the R&B band? M ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 16 May 1997 14:19 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Terry Ollis Mike Parkington writes: > This is probably a really dumb question, with answers in FAQs all over the > place, if so please accept my apologies but... > > I was idly leafing through my old Hawkwind vinyl yesterday evening when I > saw a picture on one of the sleeves of Terry Ollis (In search of Space?) he > looked so totally out of it I wondered if he could still be around & if so > where. > > Anyone know? He was drumming for a band a couple of years back - Dumpy's Rusty Nuts were advertising a couple of gigs for them but both were down south in pubs someplace. Can't remember the name now - sorry! He's obviously still occasionally around the club circuit - though probably local to his area only. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri May 16 08:59:19 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:59:19 -0400 Subject: Hype? In-Reply-To: <337BF9E2.6FA7@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 1997, Max Wilcox wrote: > Has anyone actualy read Calvert's Hype book. I have read it. > Just wondering. Just informing. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Wretch_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri May 16 09:07:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:07:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Gun tease Message-ID: Anybody heard this new song by John Fogerty (Walking in a Hurricane)? The very beginning of it has a drum line and guitar riff that sounds so much like GUN. I've heard it a few times now and keep expecting the guitars to really start ripping and it never happens. Check it out and see if you don't agree. You'll hear what seems to be GUN, but it just stays dead on the pad. Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 16 09:23:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:23:53 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Official Website back up Message-ID: Tania has the Brain Surgeons web site back up (minus graphics). http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ John PS: Another Brain Surgeons website will be up soon . . . From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 16 17:39:40 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:39:40 BST Subject: HW: Terry Ollis In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Fri, 16 May 1997 13:41:32 +0100 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts the R&B band? > > M maybe - they're a bikers band and play various music styles. They do an In Praise of Hawkwind song and a riotous time is usually had by all on stage! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Fri May 16 12:34:20 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:34:20 -0700 Subject: HW: honestly! Message-ID: Thanks!!!!! This is great information! Alan >Basically, the One Way Records CD of Space Ritual is faithful to the LP >format in that it contains the fades whereas the remastered version is >continuous although if you know the LP format, the joins are obvious - >but well done none the less. >Mark Edmonds From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 16 04:46:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:46:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Terry Ollis In-Reply-To: <01BC61D9.298DFD20@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC61D9.298DFD20 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >This is probably a really dumb question, with answers in FAQs all over the >place, if so please accept my apologies but... > >I was idly leafing through my old Hawkwind vinyl yesterday evening when I >saw a picture on one of the sleeves of Terry Ollis (In search of Space?) he >looked so totally out of it I wondered if he could still be around & if so >where. > >Anyone know? > >Mike P I understand He's a painter and decorator in West London, these days. He quit music altogether after the Hawks. I gather DikMik is also a P & D. Although the idea of these guys doing up my kitchen is tempting, I wouldn't know where to find them! -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat May 17 07:53:22 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:53:22 +1000 Subject: HW: Coleridge on the Enterprise In-Reply-To: <9705140036.AA17845@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On 14 May 97 at 10:36, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Marty(going back in the box) > > p.s anyone seen the love in space cd yet? Did I hear that it's been delayed until June? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat May 17 07:58:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonic Bilby) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:58:44 +1000 Subject: OFF: Blatant Capitalism ;^) Message-ID: Hi all, Soem of you have probably heard, but just in case word doesn't travel that first I thought I'd let you all know that I've started a mail order business. I'm specialising in importing Prog/Ambient/Space Rock into Australia. I'm posting about it here because I know that quite a few of you know members of bands in these genre's who might be interested in being listed on my catalogue and selling some records into Australia. So if you do please tell them about me! Oh yeah - I'll also be an "official" EBS mail order distributer. Thanks Doug! Sonique (We can all go back to non-commercial discussions now!) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Sonic Bilby - Prog/Ambient/Space Rock Mail Order! -------- -------- PO Box 884, Mt Waverley, VIC 3149, Australia -------- -------- -------- -------- sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au -------- ---------------------------------------------- http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb --------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat May 17 08:29:12 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonic Bilby) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 22:29:12 +1000 Subject: OFF: Blatant Capitalism ;^) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > (We can all go back to non-commercial discussions now!) Well almost ;^0 I forgot to ask - can someone in the UK do me a *big* favour and phone Delerium? I sent them a few emails, but have not received any replies yet. I know our mail server has lost some mail lately, but I don't want to be rude and send another one! In either case I intend snailing them a letter, but if they didn't get my email I'd like to send that again too! Thanks in advance! Sonique -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Sonic Bilby - Prog/Ambient/Space Rock Mail Order! -------- -------- PO Box 884, Mt Waverley, VIC 3149, Australia -------- -------- -------- -------- sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au -------- ---------------------------------------------- http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/sb --------------------------------- From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Sat May 17 08:34:35 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 08:34:35 -0400 Subject: HW: honestly! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' > sleeve) > > (also Griffin remastered CD as part of a package) > > I have the CD and it wasn't part of any package. Am I misunderstanding you? In the US there were two packages that I know of, one was the remastered CD with a WOTEOT T-shirt the other, which I have was the remastered CD with the Illustrated Collectors Guide to Hawkwind book Jeremy From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 17 09:02:30 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:02:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Terry Ollis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > I understand He's a painter and decorator in West London, these days. He > quit music altogether after the Hawks. I gather DikMik is also a P & D. I thought it was John Harrison, not Terry Ollis? Jazza ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat May 17 13:30:57 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:30:57 -0400 Subject: New ICU CD/No NIK/good stuff Message-ID: the new Inner City Unit cd "Now You Know The Score" does not contain Nik Turner-but what the hell- this stuff is hot - just received my copy of the cd last night this is as to be expected - great ICU just w/o nik highly recommended (but not for the squeemish) bl From micci at SCI.FI Sat May 17 12:55:35 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:55:35 +0300 Subject: hw ep´s Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know something about these ep?s: Choose Your Future and Soltice- hawkwind remixes. I try get those, but never see them anywhere. Miikka From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat May 17 19:21:40 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:21:40 -0400 Subject: HW: 'This is Space' box Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just picked up the "This is Space" box (4 CD's for US$21) today. I find that it is sort of a compilation of other compilations (probably a way Cleopatra figured would help to empty out some overstocked items at once). The first two CD's are the Space Daze 2CD set that went along with the Dave Thompson book of the same name. Disc 3 is the Space Daze 2000 compilation that I've seen around a few places. Disc 4 is a 'bonus CD' of ambient music not identified on the outside of the packaging. It turns out it is all done by 'The Brain', a.k.a. Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas. Here is the complete track listing for those interested. This is Space 4CD (Cleopatra CLP 9974-2) 1997 Disc 1: Space Daze (Cleopatra CLEO79162 1994) Kraftwerk - Spacelab Psychic TV and thee Angels ov Light - A Star Too Far (Lullaby for Syd) Hawkwind - Adjust Me The Orb - Blue Room Helios Creed - The Point of No Return Legendary Pink Dots - Evolution (Live) Gong - The Other Side of the Sky Delerium - Dark Matter Ozric Tentacles - Sploosh! Alien Sex Fiend - Mrs. Fiend goes to Outer Space Spiral Realms - Elements Disc 2: Space Daze (cont'd) Brian Eno - Here Come the Warm Jets Pressurehed - Silver Bird/Mastodon Syd Barrett - Lanky Coil - Nasa Arab Amon Duul II - Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse Nik Turner - Slo Blo/God Rock (live) DIN - 2,000 Flushes Tangerine Dream - Movements of a Visionary Sky Cries Mary - Rain (19.5 mix) Clock DVA - Eternity Disc 3: Space Daze 2000 (Cleopatra CLEO 1844 1996) FSoL - Spineless Jelly Hawkwind - Wind of Change Roxy Music - Out of the Blue Anubian Lights - Anubian Light Destiny Klaus Schulze - Wahnfried 1883 David Bowie - All Saints Melting Euphoria - Venusian Skyline William Orbit - The Last Lagoon Spiral Realms - A Trip to G9 Zero Gravity - Space Does not Care Kraftwerk - Antenna Aphex Twin - #9 Fripp & Eno - Wind on Water Dilate - Oblivium Disc 4: Access and Amplify - The Brain (Hypnotic CPL 9767-2 1996) 1) Access and Amplify 2) Echoes of an Ancient Sky 3) Glow of Aristarchus 4) Now is Forever 5) Precambrian Shuffle 6) Rust 7) Light Years 8) Picnic at Hanging Rock 9) Web 10) Dimensions Unmeasurable 11) Ecto 12) Morph 13) Box 14) Thermal Hysterisis Overall, it's a pretty decent deal, $21 for more than four hours of music. But it is a little misleading, as unless you recognise the track order, you won't realise that this is really nothing more than a couple 'closeout' items repackaged. Anyway, now you all know...so if you see it, just be aware of what it is. I didn't bother with these compilations individually since I didn't feel they offered much beyond what I already had on original albums; plus they were probably $20 and $12, and I just got the pair for $21, plus the The Brain disc. So I'm happy. Keith H. (FAA) From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat May 17 20:03:07 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:03:07 +1000 Subject: HW: Hype? Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >Has anyone actually read Calvert's Hype book. > > Well, obviously. Went to the revue, too. > > What would you like to know about it? > > - Andy What is it like? I'd say this book is a VERY collectable item, one that would be totally impossible to get out here in Australia (the actual album's difficult enough to find, itself), so I was just interested in any reviews of the book, etc. I don't suppose anyone would be willing to "offload" any copies, as if anyone would. But if anyone sees a copy second hand, etc., I'd be very interested in getting it. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun May 18 01:01:55 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 07:01:55 +0200 Subject: hw ep´s Message-ID: At 19:55 1997-05-17 +0300, you wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone know something about these ep?s: Choose Your Future and Soltice- >hawkwind remixes. I try get those, but never see them anywhere. Choose your Future is probably a misprint in the official Hawkwind web site, as far as I understand it should be the _Decide Your Future EP_ Solstice Remixes EP: [Spirit of the Age (Radio Edit / Full Vocal Mix / Cyber Trance Mix / Flesh to Phantasy Mix)] 1993/6 12" (4Real 4R1T) Red & Gold sleeve. Mixes by Astralasia. 1993/6 CDS (4Real 4R1CD) Red & Gold sleeve. Mixes by Astralasia. 1993/6 MC (4Real 4R1CS) Red & Gold sleeve. Mixes by Astralasia. 1995/1 CDS (Griffin GCD-343-2) Sun Hawk on Black sleeve. Pic Disc. Decide Your Future EP: [Right to Decide / The Camera That Could Lie / Right to Decide (Radio Edit) / Assassins (Magic Carpet Mix)] 1993/11 12" (4Real 4R2T) Pic sleeve. 1993/11 CDS (4Real 4R2CD) Thin 'CD single' jewel case. 1995/3 CDS (Griffin GCDHA-120-2) Ltd edition of 5000. >Miikka \\joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 17 20:13:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 01:13:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Hype? Message-ID: > What is it like? Well, _Time of the Hawklords_ it's not! It's a satire on the music biz... I skimmed through it again recently, and some of it seems a bit dated and clumsy now, but it's witty (as you'd expect) and has some evil humour. There's a scene where a pack of feminists attempt to gang-rape the (male) protagonist with a dildo, which is there (I'm positive) just for the punch-line... - Andy *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2109 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Mon May 19 03:04:38 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:04:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Terry Ollis Message-ID: I think I saw them do this at the Cambridge Custom Show at Shudy Camps, riotous is certainly the word. M ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 16 May 1997 18:39 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Terry Ollis Mike Parkington writes: > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts the R&B band? > > M maybe - they're a bikers band and play various music styles. They do an In Praise of Hawkwind song and a riotous time is usually had by all on stage! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Mon May 19 05:50:02 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:50:02 -0700 Subject: 'This is Space' box Message-ID: ---------- > From: Keith the same name. Disc 3 is the Space Daze 2000 compilation > that I've seen around a few places. Disc 4 is a 'bonus CD' of ambient music > not identified on the outside of the packaging. It turns out it is all done > by 'The Brain', a.k.a. Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas. > I picked up a copy today at Best Buy. But I got a different bonus CD -- T. Rex. Charlie > Keith H. (FAA) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 09:16:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:16:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: From Albert - Godzilla Mask Message-ID: >From Albert on the BOC boards... How I got started wearing the Godzilla head during the drum solo was one time after we released Spectres we were flying somewhere in the Midwest to do a promo for the record and Columbia sent us with a Godzilla suit for somebody to wear a the Press party. When we got to the airport Don (aka Buck) put on the Zilla head and started walking through the airport. We were dying! People were staring and just flipping out in general to see this person with a Gozilla head walking around. Later that night I had the desire to get that same reaction on stage so I wore it. It never failed to make me smile and still does to this day. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 09:18:16 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:18:16 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! Message-ID: O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al, so I'm here to tell you all about it. It's called "The Post-Op", 'cuz it's where you need to go after the Brain Surgeons operate on you. Some of the more notable features: 1. Audio - if you have the RealAudio Player (it's free, and can be downloaded from a link on my page), you can listen to this week's featured Brain Surgeons tune - St. Vitus Dance (from Box of Hammers). 2. Cool Pictures - got a few band photos (a live shot that SpectreRI provided me), and a few cool graphics that Rich Zoll (Astro) gave me. 3. Lyrics, reviews, links, and the latest tour dates 4. The Cellsum On-Line Catalog - you can check out the list of all the latest offerings from Cellsum Records, and if you have a JavaScript-capable browser (like Netscape - I haven't verified that it works with Internet Explorer), you can fill out an order form on-line (you still have to use snail mail to send it, but you can print it out and it calculates all the postage charges for you - check it out - it's pretty cool!). John PS: Oh yeah, the URL. You can get to my Brain Surgeons page from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 19 09:28:19 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:28:19 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! In-Reply-To: <199705191318.JAA02966@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > PS: Oh yeah, the URL. You can get to my Brain Surgeons page > from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ I can't get through to anything on members.aol at the moment; is there a problem there, or is it just Cambridge's famously temperamental DNS set-up? Yours, Jazza ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 19 07:26:49 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:26:49 +0100 Subject: OFF : Who said? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Who said they were going to see The Who on this tour? I went last night to the Wembley / Quadrophenia show. It was terrific! -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 11:45:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:45:55 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! Message-ID: >> from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ > I can't get through to anything on members.aol at the moment; is there a problem there, or is it just Cambridge's famously temperamental DNS set-up? Dunno - I just tried to get to it at 11:45 Eastern Daylight time and it worked. May have been an intermittent thing? John From stayer at PI.NET Mon May 19 20:58:50 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:58:50 -0700 Subject: OFF: English? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten > the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al Er, "it's gotten"? Shouldn't that be "it's got"? Jerry From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 19 12:40:00 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:40:00 -0600 Subject: Off: Gumby Man and DY Message-ID: > Gumby Man>Rumour control: AB, where did you hear that Sammy was joining >Damn Yankees? I have read that Nuge's act will tour with Sammy's this summer. Sorry for the delay in responding GM (hey GM, Gumby Man, Gov't Mule, kewl) but I was out of town on business through friday night. I first saw this rumor on some prog rock bulletin board. Several people talked about it. Original DY lineup with Sammy being added. To do what I dunno. Theo told me he too had heard similar rumors about a DY reunion. When I saw the Styx ad just made me wonder if anybody I heard anything new about this. Looks like it won't happen soon though. > GM>"What about Night Ranger? I keep hearing talk about Jack Blades getting back with them for an album and tour. What have you heard?" >Who? Only kidding. I haven't heard anything about NR. > Anybody heard the new Fates Warning cd? Good, bad or ugly? >L8er > >lil' ab > >"Victoria said she'd be better off dead than discovered." > > > > > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 12:53:15 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:53:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja Again?!?!? Message-ID: Just saw on the ICE Magazine website the following entry under their "Re-releases" section for June 3rd: Blue Oyster Cult Club Ninja (Koch) My guess is this is a mis-print as this came out in March, but it would be funny if true - BOC can't get a new album out so they re-release *Club Ninja* twice in one year! ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 13:00:03 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:00:03 -0400 Subject: Summerdaze CD - Huh? Message-ID: Well, I previously said that I expected the various artists to have versions of their "classics" on this CD, so I could understand the fact that "Reaper" and "Godzilla" were 2 of BOC's entries. BUT - here's what songs the other bands are contributing (according to the Summerdaze web site -- http://members.aol.com/edtheedge/s_dazecd.htm): Foghat HONEY HUSH NOTHING BUT TROUBLE YOU'LL BE MINE John Kay and Steppenwolf Bad Attitude Rocket Ship Best of What You Got Pat Travers ICE QUEEN JUST ENOUGH MONEY LOOKIN' UP O.K., if Foghat isn't doing "Slow Ride" and "Fool For the City"; if Travers isn't doing "Boom Boom (Out Go the Lights)", and Steppenwolf isn't doing "Born to Be Wild" and "Magic Carpet Ride", then WHY is BOC doing "Reaper" and "Godzilla"???!?!?!? Oh, here's the BOC info listed on the page (along with a picture fo the band from about 1994 - hey, they are getting beter - no Bouchards in this picture!): Blue yster Cult Power Underneath Despair (E.Bloom, D.Roeser, J.Shirley) Produced by Steve Schench, Buck Dharma, Eric Bloom (Don't Fear) The Reaper (D.Roeser) Recorded Live Godzilla (D.Roeser) Recorded Live B.O.C. on tour: Eric Bloom-vocals, guitar, keyboards Allen Lanier-guitar, keyboards Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser-guitar, vocals Danny Miranda-bass, vocals Bobby Rondinelli-drums For More Information send a SASE to: Museum of Cult/Blue Oyster Cult Fan Club P.O. Box 931324 Los Angeles, CA 90093 email: bocfanclub at aol.com (Hail Bolle!!!) Management: Steve Schenck Booking: The Agency Group- London, New York, Toronto John PS: The "Hail Bolle!!!" is on the site - I had nothing to do with it! ;-) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 19 13:01:12 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:01:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: English? Message-ID: >> O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten > the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al >Er, "it's gotten"? Shouldn't that be "it's got"? Pardon me. "It has *received* the "two thumbs up" . . . ;-) John From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Mon May 19 14:41:40 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:41:40 -0700 Subject: OFF : Who said? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I flew down to San Jose to see the show (in the Shark Tank, not a bad seat in the house). It was bitchin; Pete seemed much more under control than the '89 tour (where I saw him impale his hand on his guitar at the Tacoma show). -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu On Mon, 19 May 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Who said they were going to see The Who on this tour? I went last night > to the Wembley / Quadrophenia show. It was terrific! > -- > Jon Browne > From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon May 19 15:53:58 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:53:58 -0400 Subject: English? Message-ID: > John A Swartz wrote: > > O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten > > the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al > > Er, "it's gotten"? Shouldn't that be "it's got"? i believe "its got" should be used when you mean to say "it has" (possession.) "it's gotten" should be used when you say "it has recieved." or "it has gotten to the point where..." failing that, maybe it shouldn't be used at all. then again, don't quote me. i'm one of those slacker types who thinks: if the message was understood, it doesn't matter. (unless you're writing a book, or learning english as a second language.) rj > Jerry From mpower at FCMC.COM Mon May 19 15:58:33 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:58:33 -0400 Subject: Cleopatras new 'This is Space' CD set Message-ID: Bah! Humbug! Obviously a rip-off of our 'This is Spacerock' by BORN to GO tape and web-site title! :) BTW for those esteemed crew of BOC-L still awaiting their free copy of this item, I have just purchased a new dubbing deck to replace my old fritzed one so expect them soon and apologies for the delay. As a compensation for your patience, the tape will now include two extra 'bonus' tracks, Kill-9 and Navigator. Enjoy! Samples of some of the tracks are now available on our pilot website, featuring totally Kosmic art work by the fabulous Baron Bloom himself. URL address below. If anyone missed this fabulously lavish offer, there is still time to get your free SpaceRock tape, just email me your snailmail address. In Space we trust. -- The Born to Go website, featuring great art and music and soon to feature links and credits and a lotta mora gooda stuff... (still under construction) (Remember the 0's in B0RN and G0 are zeroes not O's.) Marc From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon May 19 16:07:40 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:07:40 CDT Subject: Cleopatras new 'This is Space' CD set Message-ID: From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 3:06 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Cleopatras new 'This is Space' CD set Bah! Humbug! Obviously a rip-off of our 'This is Spacerock' by BORN to GO tape and web-site title! :) BTW for those esteemed crew of BOC-L still awaiting their free copy of this item, I have just purchased a new dubbing deck to replace my old fritzed one so expect them soon and apologies for the delay. As a compensation for your patience, the tape will now include two extra 'bonus' tracks, Kill-9 and Navigator. Enjoy! Samples of some of the tracks are now available on our pilot website, featuring totally Kosmic art work by the fabulous Baron Bloom himself. URL address below. If anyone missed this fabulously lavish offer, there is still time to get your free SpaceRock tape, just email me your snailmail address. In Space we trust. -- The Born to Go website, featuring great art and music and soon to feature links and credits and a lotta mora gooda stuff... (still under construction) (Remember the 0's in B0RN and G0 are zeroes not O's.) Marc From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Mon May 19 16:46:25 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:46:25 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! Message-ID: How about adding a link to download the realaudio clip??? Every time I load the page the realaudio player starts but then It says it cant connect to the realaudio server.... >Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:18:16 -0400 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: John A Swartz >Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten >the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al, so I'm here to tell you >all about it. It's called "The Post-Op", 'cuz it's where >you need to go after the Brain Surgeons operate on you. >Some of the more notable features: > >1. Audio - if you have the RealAudio Player (it's free, and >can be downloaded from a link on my page), you can listen to >this week's featured Brain Surgeons tune - St. Vitus Dance (from Box of Hammers). > >2. Cool Pictures - got a few band photos (a live shot that SpectreRI provided me), and a few cool graphics that Rich >Zoll (Astro) gave me. > >3. Lyrics, reviews, links, and the latest tour dates > >4. The Cellsum On-Line Catalog - you can check out the list >of all the latest offerings from Cellsum Records, and if you >have a JavaScript-capable browser (like Netscape - I haven't >verified that it works with Internet Explorer), you can fill >out an order form on-line (you still have to use snail mail >to send it, but you can print it out and it calculates all >the postage charges for you - check it out - it's pretty >cool!). > >John > >PS: Oh yeah, the URL. You can get to my Brain Surgeons page >from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ > From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon May 19 19:27:02 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:27:02 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze CD - Huh? In-Reply-To: <199705191700.NAA09570@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: BOC-L'ers; So now that we know WHAT will be on the Summerdaze CD, the next obvious question is WHEN will it be released? Tomorrow is the latest scheduled re- lease date, unless it changed again. In related news, I just got an e-mail from Michael, the keyboardist in Steppenwolf, and he says that the Summerdaze Tour schedule has changed so many times that he doesn't know where they will be playing. As a result Steppenwolf are booking shows on their own in other cities. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Mon May 19 20:24:42 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:24:42 -0700 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! Message-ID: This is just a suggestion:-) Many times I have had trouble accessing members.aol.com sites, then realized I had used www preceding the members part. This will not work. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html John A Swartz wrote: > > >> from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ > > > I can't get through to anything on members.aol at the moment; is > there a problem there, or is it just Cambridge's famously temperamental > DNS set-up? > > Dunno - I just tried to get to it at 11:45 Eastern Daylight time and > it worked. May have been an intermittent thing? > > John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue May 20 02:59:16 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:59:16 +0800 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: Hi all I'm writing this in relation to the tracks on the Out & Intake recordings. I've included the previous posts on this subject for reference. > >OUT & INTAKE CD > > > >- Turner Point (live 1982) > >- Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) > >- Cajun Jinx (studio) > >- Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) > >- Starflight (studio) > >- Ejection (studio) > >- Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) > >- Flight To Maputo (studio) > >- Confrontation (studio) > >- 5/4 (studio) > >- Ghost Dance (live 1982) > > [cd extras left out, because now I'm talking vinyl only] > > The Out and Intake vinyl has an inner sleeve with a quite good list on who > appeared on which track. This list isn't available on either of the CD's I > have (griffin and dojo) and it goes like this: (Ejection is A6, Hassan is B1) > > Dave Brock: voc, gtr, k'board, synth > Harvey Bainbridge: voc, k'board, bass, perc > Huw Lloyd-Langton: voc, lead gtr on A2,4 + B1,3,4,5 > Alan Davey: voc, bass on A3,6 + B1,2,3 > Danny Thompson: drums, balloon on A1,3,6 + B1,2,3 > Martin Griffin: drums on A1,2,4 + B4,5 > Nik Turner: sax on A1,2 > Paul Cobbold: organ on A2 > > I decode the above information as Brock and Bainbridge appears on every > track on the record, and engineer/producer Cobbold has added himself on the > track "Waiting for Tomorrow". The other musicians will appear as follows: > > - Turner Point (live 1982) GR TH TU > - Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) LL GR TU > - Cajun Jinx (studio) DA TH > - Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) LL GR > - Starflight (studio) > - Ejection (studio) DA TH > > - Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) LL DA TH > - Flight To Maputo (studio) DA TH > - Confrontation (studio) LL DA TH > - 5/4 (studio) LL GR > - Ghost Dance (live 1982) LL GR > > There is a slight pattern here, Griffin and Lloyd-Langton plays together, so > are Davey and Thompson. Griffin left at the end of '82 and both Thompson and > Davey entered the ship at Stonehenge Festival '84. > > 1) > If the track "Turner Point" is live, the inner sleeve list must be wrong, as > it claims both Griffin and Thompson played drums and/or balloon. On the > other hand, if the inner sleeve is correct - "Turner Point" must be studio. > I don't know anything about Griffin's studio career in Hawkwind post 1982, > nor is my profession Hawkwind Live Tapes - so I can't say anything here. > > 2) > I assumed if WfT, SMG and GD was live tracks, it was likely the fourth > Griffin/Lloyd-Langton track should be live too (of course taken from the > same night, same venue). So if I was wrong, from when and where does "The > Scan-5/4" studio outtake originate? Is it _Choose Your Masques_ era? > (live 1982 would have fitted well, but on the other hand Hawkwind has not > exactly been a structured puzzle through the years) > My own assumptions on these tracks contradict what has already been written. Due mostly to the perfection of many of these recordings, I believe Waiting For Tomorrow, Solitary Mind Games, & Confrontation, to be the only live recordings here (apart from the extra tracks on the CD). In the case of Confrontation, it (to me) sounds very much like the middle of another track they perform live (I think it was one from Black Sword). This track may be partly studio (the voice-over), however, the rest of it doesn't seem polished enough for a studio recording. On the subject of live & studio tracks, is Dangerous Visions (Zones) live? And on another slightly off-track subject, does anyone have a copy of the full version of Phone Home, Elliott? I had it on tape but have misplaced it. William From micci at SCI.FI Tue May 20 04:11:03 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:11:03 +0300 Subject: red shift Message-ID: Hi, Can someone tell me what is catalogue number Harvey Bainbridge cd call Red Shift?, please. Just read that Griffin Records have gone to the wall! Miikka From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue May 20 07:43:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:43:00 -0400 Subject: HW:ICU and others Message-ID: Hello, I am listening to the new ICu andit is ok punk rock stuff, nothing to blow you away, but entertaining. Looks like a US tour is going to happen after the HW dates in august, so probably in Sept, according to the Kadu Flyer folks.. I also want to let all of you out there know that if you have a link to my web page, that it will be removed from the web next week but I hope to have another one up in denmark in a few months. I also will be off line for several weeks, but will catch up with you all later. I think my new e-mail address will be: heller at hagedorn.dk For those who don't want to lose track of me. I shall return. take care and thanks to everyone on BOC-l. Scott Heller From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 20 08:20:04 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:20:04 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! In-Reply-To: <199705191545.LAA27527@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 May 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > > I can't get through to anything on members.aol at the moment; is > there a problem there, or is it just Cambridge's famously temperamental > DNS set-up? > > Dunno - I just tried to get to it at 11:45 Eastern Daylight time and > it worked. May have been an intermittent thing? No, neither mebers.aol or users.aol seem to be known by the Cambridge DNS. I'll mail someone about it or something. Sorry to bother the list, Jazza ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 20 09:10:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:10:04 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: New Brain Surgeons Website! Message-ID: >How about adding a link to download the realaudio clip??? Every time I load the page the realaudio player starts but then It says it cant connect to the realaudio server.... Yes, this appears to be a recurring problem for many. I am going to add a link to the clip soon, but for now, feel free to access it directly via: http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/postop.ra The clip will take 2-3 minutes to download, but you can venture to other pages while you wait. I'm not sure why I don't experience this problem when I connect to the site, but others have expressed this "server error" when they try. For those of you who access my site, I'd appreciate it if you could send me and e-mail (bocfaqman at aol.com) and let me know if you can or can't access the soundclip via the page or not (also, let me know what browser you are using, not that it should make a difference). Sorry for the confusion and problems - I will remedy this as soon as I can (which may be a few days as my wife and I are expecting a baby any day now). John From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 20 09:32:49 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 07:32:49 -0600 Subject: Summer Daze CD Message-ID: JS>"O.K., if Foghat isn't doing "Slow Ride" and "Fool For the City"; if Travers isn't doing "Boom Boom (Out Go the Lights)", and Steppenwolf isn't doing "Born to Be Wild" and "Magic Carpet Ride", then WHY is BOC doing "Reaper" and "Godzilla"???!?!?!?" There could be lots of reasons for BOC to make the contributions to this cd. 1. They are limited to songs that have already been recorded and released becuase the rights to those songs are easily determined. Nothing new from EW, perhaps the rights to the new songs are up in the air. 2. I know Honey Hush but the other Foghat, Travers and Steppenwolf songs do not ring a bell. This things has to have some recognizable songs on it. BOC in this regard is a logical choice. 3. Perhaps BOC dictated what songs they would contribute. I dunno, I just hope its worth buying when and if it ever comes out. BTW the last receipt shows the list has shrunk to 207. ob BOC cover song I'd love to hear: A Galactic Cowboys rendition of Hot Rails to Hell L8er lil' ab **************************************** OK they all say your a winner now Save face win with grace but you don't know how So big your heads gonna crack Someday your arm's gonna snap >From pattin' yourself on the back - Monty Colvin *************************************** From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 20 11:09:11 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:09:11 PDT Subject: red shift In-Reply-To: <199705200811.LAA28690@ds9.sci.fi>; from "Miikka Wagner" at May 20, 97 11:11 am Message-ID: > > Hi, > > Can someone tell me what is catalogue number Harvey Bainbridge cd call Red > Shift?, please. > Did Bainbridge release a CD titled Red Shift, too? The only "Red Shift" that I'm aware of is by the UK synth artiste-extrodinare Mark Shreeve (and, if you like "Rubycon"-era Tangerine Dream, you gotta get this! Not the typical Shreeve power-synth rock, so be prepared!!!) > Just read that Griffin Records have gone to the wall! > Yup! Buy them Griffin releases ON SIGHT! Or you'll be sorry later.... > Miikka > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 20 10:17:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:17:31 +0100 Subject: HW : Hawkeye #7 In-Reply-To: <199705172321.TAA24105@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Quick note to say, Adrian Parr dropped in yesterday. New Hawkeye (#7) will be out any day. Includes the 2nd part of that (rather good) Nik interview Down Through The Years Article Recent Hawk-News and events Trading post etc. orders to Adrian Parr 6 Conifers Close Teddington Middlesex TW11 9JG ?2.50 UK cheque or postal order Europe ?3.00 by IMO or $5 US dollar bills Elsewhere ?3.50 IMO or $6 US dollar bills -- Jon Browne ObCD - The Who - Sell Out 'cos I am a sad remaster junkie. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue May 20 12:28:15 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:28:15 +0200 Subject: out&intake Message-ID: Hi William >In the case of Confrontation, it (to me) sounds very much like the >middle of another track they perform live (I think it was one from Black >Sword). It could be the middle part of BRAINSTORM from the Elric 1985-Tour Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Tue May 20 01:20:36 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 22:20:36 -0700 Subject: OFF: English? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >> O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten > > the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al Jerry: > >Er, "it's gotten"? Shouldn't that be "it's got"? John: > Pardon me. "It has *received* the "two thumbs up" . . . ;-) Hahaha! Great work! It was really just a question. I am aware of some of the differences between English and American, and "it's gotten" might as well have been correct American... Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 20 10:04:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:04:33 +0100 Subject: HW:ICU and others In-Reply-To: <01IJ32Y9RM6U7QG3E0@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: In message <01IJ32Y9RM6U7QG3E0 at MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>, "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" writes > Hello, > > I am listening to the new ICu andit is ok punk rock stuff, > nothing to blow you away, but entertaining. Looks like a US tour > is going to happen after the HW dates in august, so probably in > Sept, according to the Kadu Flyer folks.. before you go, what's the line up on the new ICU release? -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 20 13:54:27 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:54:27 +0100 Subject: HW:ICU and others Message-ID: >before you go, what's the line up on the new ICU release? This is basically the Trev solo album, isn't it? Dino might be on it - I think Steve said Trev recorded it in Italy at Dino's place - but no Steve and no Fred, I don't think. And no Turner! Must make it up into town and search for it... - Andy ObCD-ROM: Tomb Raider! *** new e-mail address: mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com *** *** new web address: http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone wants these items, I'll get them (if still available) at the next opportunity (should be the end of June...) scorch From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 20 15:04:13 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:04:13 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug Message-ID: Just got my "Pull the Plug" cassette - pretty cool tape. The band sounds very good for a jam session, although it's obvious in spots that they were there to have fun. "Lady of the Harbor" is an interesting tune that I hope will be on a future tBS CD (it's a Frost/Bouchard composition). "Name Your Monster" sounds pretty wild acoustically, as does "I Am the One You Warned Me Of". "Death Valley Nights" is pretty true to the way tBS do it live (just change the acoustic guitars to electrics), although I do somewhat miss the use of keyboards during the verses. Lots of fun at a price (FREE) that can't be beat. John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 20 16:37:36 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:37:36 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug In-Reply-To: <199705201904.PAA03909@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 May 1997, John A Swartz wrote: [[capsule review of _Pull the Plug_]] > I do somewhat miss the use of keyboards during the verses. Lots of fun > at a price (FREE) that can't be beat. I guess I was mailed a different flyer to you, John. Mine said it was FREE so long as you bought at least one Brain Surgeons CD "for a friend." Since I am a pathetic loser whom everyone despises, without a single friend in the world, and have all the Brain Surgeons CDs already (yes, even ones without UPC labels), I guess I am destined never to hear this album---unless you happen to put a RealAudio clip on your WWW pages. But that wouldn't do me much good either, since I use a flavour of unix and a browser unsupported by RealAudio, so I wouldn't be able to hear it anyway. Did I tell you the library sends me hate mail? They do, you know. Cheers, Paul. ;-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue May 20 18:02:03 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:02:03 +1000 Subject: HW:ICU and others Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >before you go, what's the line up on the new ICU release? > > This is basically the Trev solo album, isn't it? Dino might be on it - I think Steve said Trev recorded it in Italy at Dino's place - but no Steve and no Fred, I don't think. And no Turner! > > Must make it up into town and search for it... > > - Andy So, it's basically Atomgods? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 20 23:33:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:33:26 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: WWW pages Message-ID: Just want to remind people that Tania's tBS page is once again up and functioning! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 20 23:42:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:42:49 GMT+0100 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug Message-ID: On tis 20 maj 1997 15.04 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Just got my "Pull the Plug" cassette - pretty cool tape. Ahhhhhhh ... just got back from partying in Sweden! (Multiple, grateful, and lasting thanks to Dan "Buck Dharma" Lindfors!) What is the "Pull the Plug" cassette???? Cheers, Carl ObCD: Spiritual Beggars, _Spiritual Beggars_ From stayer at PI.NET Tue May 20 22:19:17 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:19:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > > O.K., my Brain Surgeons page is about done, and it's gotten > > > the "two thumbs up" from Deb and Al Jerry: > > Er, "it's gotten"? Shouldn't that be "it's got"? Ron Jennings wrote: > i believe "its got" should be used when you mean to say "it has" > (possession.) > "it's gotten" should be used when you say "it has recieved." or "it has > gotten to the point where..." > failing that, maybe it shouldn't be used at all. I am pretty sure "gotten" is not a valid word in English as spoken in the UK. > then again, don't quote me. i'm one of those slacker types who thinks: if > the message was understood, it doesn't matter. (unless you're writing a > book, or learning english as a second language.) Hehe, both... :-) I;m very interested in the English language, that's why I asked. Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 21 00:14:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:14:53 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? Message-ID: On tis 20 maj 1997 19.19 Jerry wrote: > Ron Jennings wrote: > > i believe "its got" should be used when you mean to say "it has" > > (possession.) > > "it's gotten" should be used when you say "it has recieved." or "it > > has gotten to the point where..." > > failing that, maybe it shouldn't be used at all. > > I am pretty sure "gotten" is not a valid word in English as spoken in > the UK. I think even in the UK one can say sentances like "We have gotten completely pissed every day this week". ;) Or, on a more sober note ;) "We've not gotten paid for the work I did." Obviously, there are other forms and verbs that could be used there ("We've not _been_ paid ..." etc.) but I think the above examples are reasonably valid. Mind you, my mother tongue is American English--not British English--so I could be wrong. Cheers, Carl From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue May 20 21:05:46 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:05:46 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug Message-ID: Paul wrote: >I guess I was mailed a different flyer to you, John. Mine said it was >FREE so long as you bought at least one Brain Surgeons CD "for a friend." That's 100% correct. That way, 2 people get something for "free." You and that lucky person that you just bought a record for! :-) >Since I am a pathetic loser whom everyone despises, without a single >friend in the world, and have all the Brain Surgeons CDs already (yes, >even ones without UPC labels), I guess I am destined never to hear this >album---unless you happen to put a RealAudio clip on your WWW pages. But >that wouldn't do me much good either, since I use a flavour of unix and a >browser unsupported by RealAudio, so I wouldn't be able to hear it anyway. Oh God you're breaking my heart. Don't you have a family? How about picking a name at random out of the phone book? We send a nice "This album is compliments of___your name here__" It could be an ice breaker. How about sending an album to lil ab? I don't think he's got any yet, certainly not the latest. C'mon let's be a real community. OK, well it's an opportunity to be creative. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue May 20 21:15:17 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:15:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics Message-ID: Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" the Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) Replies don't have to come to the list. Al ir004728 at mindspring.com From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue May 20 21:30:35 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 03:30:35 +0200 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug Message-ID: Al wrote : >Paul wrote: > >>Since I am a pathetic loser whom everyone despises, without a single >>friend in the world, and have all the Brain Surgeons CDs already (yes, >>even ones without UPC labels), I guess I am destined never to hear this >>album---unless you happen to put a RealAudio clip on your WWW pages. But >>that wouldn't do me much good either, since I use a flavour of unix and a >>browser unsupported by RealAudio, so I wouldn't be able to hear it anyway. > >Oh God you're breaking my heart. Don't you have a family? How about picking >a name at random out of the phone book? We send a nice "This album is >compliments of___your name here__" It could be an ice breaker. > >How about sending an album to lil ab? I don't think he's got any yet, >certainly not the latest. C'mon let's be a real community. OK, well it's an >opportunity to be creative. Oh yeah... uh, wait... can I play too ? Hey, Paul (or someone else *grin*), I happen not to have (yet) "Box of Hammers" ;-) Better yet... you offer me that CD so you get the tape, then I offer a CD to lil ab so I get one of those tapes too. Heheh. Now that's what I call a plan ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed May 21 00:09:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:09:21 EDT Subject: Cleopatras new 'This is Space' CD set Message-ID: hello from the depths of space... i'm not sure if I requested before, but could I get a copy of the tape? My address is: Ian Fines 51 Putnam Place Grosse Pointe Shores, MI 48236 From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed May 21 00:09:21 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:09:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Hash Jar Tempo? Message-ID: Hello While visiting NYC last weekend, I happened to see a copy of a CD by "Hash Jar Tempo", which the cover said included Roy Montgomery and Bardo Pond. Has anyone heard this? Also, I saw the new Pressurehed digipak "Explaining the Unexplained"....looks pretty cool. Again, has anyone heard this? any comments appreciated. From chip at PCC.COM Wed May 21 00:28:31 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:28:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at May 20, 97 09:15:17 pm Message-ID: Al: > Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" the > Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) I am *really* afraid to know why Al would want these lyrics. The implication of a BOC-to-Hawkwind-to-BrainSurgeons cover is mind boggling. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 21 00:50:06 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:50:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hash Jar Tempo? In-Reply-To: <19970521.001106.10622.3.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > While visiting NYC last weekend, I happened to see a copy of a CD by > "Hash Jar Tempo", which the cover said included Roy Montgomery and Bardo > Pond. Has anyone heard this? You must've missed this creep into my obCD line a fortnight or so ago. :-) I have _Well Oiled_ by Hash Jar Tempo (a play on Ash Ra Tempel, perhaps?). It's ~78 minutes of psyche stoned/trance/drone rock, all instrumental. I like it---more so than the Hovercraft CD I bought at the same time which, although filed in the psyche rock section, sounds a tad "industrial" to my ears (and not nearly as well-done as Hash Jar Tempo's offerings, though ostensibly aiming for the same goal). The tracks are basically repetitive riffs and motifs that ebb and flow and build to great effect. Some are better than others: I get the impression that these were all recorded in a one-day session, as a live jam in the studio. As with all drone, there's no real soloing to speak of, so those looking for incisive psyche guitar wailing will be left disappointed. But, like I said, I like it. I haven't heard any Roy Montgomery, so I can't vouch for how much this sounds like his regular stuff. I do have some Bardo Pond, though, and their influence is pretty obvious on this CD. Btw, Roy Montgomery plays with Magic Hour, doesn't he? Does anyone have a CD recommendation for them? I liked their track on the _Succour_ compilation; something in a similar vein would hit the spot very nicely, thank you. > Also, I saw the new Pressurehed digipak > "Explaining the Unexplained"....looks pretty cool. Again, has anyone > heard this? any comments appreciated. There were several posts about this a while back. Maybe you could search through the BOC-L online archives? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Faust, _IV_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 21 00:56:08 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:56:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 1997, Chip Hart wrote: > Al: > > Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" the > > Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) > > I am *really* afraid to know why Al would want these lyrics. > > The implication of a BOC-to-Hawkwind-to-BrainSurgeons cover is > mind boggling. Yeah, but just think how he could tear up those drums in the mid section... :-) Hmm... we need to set Al loose on a couple of Simon King extravaganzas. Any suggestions? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 21 01:13:13 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:13:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: The Reaper in SCREAM Message-ID: I just saw the film SCREAM tonight at the local 2nd-run cinema, so someone may have pointed this out already (but I can't recall anyone doing so). Anyway, at the start of the 2nd scene you can hear a slow, acoustic version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" playing as background music. It's not immediately recognisable as such, but it's the ol' BOC classic all right. I looked up the soundtrack on the Internet Movie Database, and the song is done by Gus (whoever that might be). Just another bit of trivia to add to your already bulging files. Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _The Great Deceiver_ 4CD box set e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 21 01:55:09 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:55:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Pull the Plug Message-ID: >Paul wrote: > >>I guess I was mailed a different flyer to you, John. Mine said it was >>FREE so long as you bought at least one Brain Surgeons CD "for a friend." > >That's 100% correct. That way, 2 people get something for "free." You and >that lucky person that you just bought a record for! :-) The way you say that "get" instead of "got" implies that this is still available..... if so, there are people around here who will get something.... Could I have the ordering info again? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed May 21 02:07:39 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 02:07:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: The Reaper in SCREAM Message-ID: >I just saw the film SCREAM tonight at the local 2nd-run cinema, so someone >may have pointed this out already (but I can't recall anyone doing so). >Anyway, at the start of the 2nd scene you can hear a slow, acoustic >version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" playing as background music. It's >not immediately recognisable as such, but it's the ol' BOC classic all >right. I looked up the soundtrack on the Internet Movie Database, and the >song is done by Gus (whoever that might be). > I went and got the soundtrack just to throw in a completist bin. Actually I sorta liked many of the other tracks. Gus did okay, I guess, but wimped out before even attempting the middle part of the song. And without the end part, it loses its whole point. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 21 05:38:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:38:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics In-Reply-To: Albert T Bouchard's mail of Tue, 20 May 97 21:15 -0400 Message-ID: On 21 May 02:15, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" the > Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) Lyrics below. While I'm vaguely on the topic, it occurs to me that Deb could take "The Golden Void" (on Warriors At The Edge Of Time, and also Palace Springs) and turn it from a hippie mystical trip into something really really scarey... Dave (if she could sing it without giggling, that is -- I get the impression that HW isn't her cup of tea). Hassan I Sabha ============== Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashishin Black September Black September Black September Black September Black September Black September Black September Death unto all infidels, in oil Guide us o thou genie of the smoke Lead us to a thousand and one nights In the perfumed gardens of delight Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petrol D'allah Petrol D'allah Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petro-dollar It is written In the soul of the desert It is written In the signs in the stars It is written In the sands of the hour-glass It is written It is written In the eye of the falcon It is written In the shade of the scorpion It is written In the wealth of the sun It is written It is written That man's truth is a mirage It is written That death's an oasis It is written For all unbelievers It is written -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 21 11:11:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:11:05 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics Message-ID: On tis 20 maj 1997 21.15 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" > the Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) Stylistically, I've always thought this would be a great song for tBS to cover if they were, for the heck of it, to cover a HW song. The only thing wasn't quite sure I could hear tBS singing out "Hashish, Hashish, Hashish ..." But otherwise it's a great opportunity for a crunching tBS song with interplay between Deb's vocals and some low, chanted, vocals from Al. Can you just hear Al singing "It is written" in the style he uses on "My Civilization" and then Deb belting out "In the soul of the desert!" (Or, indeed, whatever it is ;) In fact, It would be interesting to hear Al's low growl on the repeated intro words to the various verses and the remainder of the verse from Deb. Al: Black September, Black September [etc.] ... Deb: Death unto all infidels in oil [etc.] ... Some morning musings, anyway .... Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 21 06:39:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:39:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Wed, 21 May 97 11:11 +0000 Message-ID: On 21 May 12:11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Stylistically, I've always thought this would be a great song for tBS > to cover if they were, for the heck of it, to cover a HW song. The only > thing wasn't quite sure I could hear tBS singing out "Hashish, Hashish, > Hashish ..." Perhaps they could substitute the name of one of Joe's beers. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed May 21 06:35:24 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:35:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics Message-ID: One thing though, Do you think they would plan to slash a USA flag with a sabre on stage during the song as Bob used to do ? Andy C ---------- From: Carl Edlund Anderson Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 12:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics On tis 20 maj 1997 21.15 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > Does anyone know what the real lyrics to this song are? I've "gotten" > the Quark album and they pretty buried on there. Curious :-) Stylistically, I've always thought this would be a great song for tBS to cover if they were, for the heck of it, to cover a HW song. 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Message-ID: > I am pretty sure "gotten" is not a valid word in English as spoken in the UK. > ok, ya made me look it up. webster's dictionary lists gotten as the past participle of get. i don't know if the UK uses webster's, but its pretty standard in US. rj From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed May 21 08:00:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:00:00 -0400 Subject: HW:ICU lineup Message-ID: The line up on the new CD called Judge Trev's Inner City Unit- Now you know the Score is: Trev- guitar/vocals Dino Ferari- Percussion Commander Jim Hawkman- synths and vocals Jim the Bass- Bass and vocals recorded at OASI in Rome You can only really make out the synths on a few tracks. Mostly sounds like sex pistols style punk. Scott ObCD- Finally Balanced- Fondue! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 21 08:13:12 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:13:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Eric Bloom has a new stun guitar Message-ID: Eric just posted on the BOC AOL boards that he's now playing a custom guitar by Harper's guitars, which he feels may be the best guitar he's ever played. This small company (husband and wife team I think) now offers an "Eric Bloom Signature Model" which features the BOC logo painted on the guitar, a BOC logo as a 12th-fret marker, and Eric's autograph on the headstock (all for about $1,800 I think). They have a website: http://members.aol.com/harpergtrs/index.html Also on the site is a few BOC links and a picture of Buck playing one of their guitars. John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed May 21 08:25:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:25:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Wed, 21 May 97 00:14 +0000 Message-ID: On 21 May 01:14, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I think even in the UK one can say sentances like "We have gotten > completely pissed every day this week". ;) Or, on a more sober note ;) > "We've not gotten paid for the work I did." I've never heard "gotten" used in the UK. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Wed May 21 08:35:42 1997 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:35:42 EDT Subject: BOC: logo Message-ID: > offers an "Eric Bloom Signature Model" which features the BOC logo > painted on the guitar, a BOC logo as a 12th-fret marker, and Eric's BOC/Business related question....!gotten. IS the BOC logo a licensed product? Does it belong to BOC=3 or Sony? I thought I saw a snowboarders car with alll sorts of bumper stickers for equipment the other day, one sticker was curiously similar to the BOC logo begin used in the upside down mode. Is the symbol not a protected under trademark? RR From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Wed May 21 09:36:31 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 06:36:31 -0700 Subject: HW: Hassan I Sahba lyrics -Reply Message-ID: Al, Here's what I have off an old lyrics list posted to a newsgroup: SONG: Hassan I Sabha Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashishin Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Death unto all infidels, in oil Guide us o thou genie of the smoke Lead us to a thousand and one nights In the perfumed gardens of delight Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petrol-D'allah Petrol-D'allah Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petro-dollar It is written in the soul of the desert It is written in the signs in the stars It is written in the sands of the hour-glass It is written It is written in the eye of the falcon It is written in the shade of the scorpion It is written in the wealth of the sun It is written It is written that man's truth is a mirage It is written that death is an oasis It is written for all unbelievers It is written Alan ( a grateful, long time BOC fan) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 21 14:37:45 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:37:45 BST Subject: Newsletter from Mr. Tawn Message-ID: Just got a newsletter with a copy of tour dates from the website and pretty much the other news from there as well. It seems to confirm that Huey will guest with Hawkwind for a couple of songs at the gig for the Homeless next month. Other news is that Hawkfan 26 will be ready soon. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed May 21 09:39:31 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:39:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? In-Reply-To: <199705211225.NAA10323@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: (Yes, even *I* am drawn inexorably into this most erudite of debates...) On Wed, 21 May 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > On 21 May 01:14, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > I think even in the UK one can say sentances like "We have gotten > > completely pissed every day this week". ;) Or, on a more sober note ;) > > "We've not gotten paid for the work I did." > > I've never heard "gotten" used in the UK. I have only ever heard it used by americans. Personally, I think it is uniquely an americanism, along with such oddly grammatical phrases as "off of" to which americans are prone in their patois (e.g. "I have just gotten a kewl RealAudio clip off of John Swartz's WWW site!!!!!";). When I was a lad at school, I remember my English teacher always deprecated the use of "got." She always made us use an appropriate synonym instead. Appended below is the OED's thoughts on the matter. Apparently, they consider "got" and "gotten" rare. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. The Oxford English Dictionary, 2d edition at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Usage is restricted to the VIVA Consortium. _________________________________________________________________ gotten go.t'n, ppl. a. Forms: see get v.; also got ppl. a. [pa. pple. of get v.] 1. Obtained, acquired, won (chiefly with accompanying adverb). Now rare, exc. in ill-gotten. C. 1340 Cursor M. 4913 (Trin.) We haue wi? vs trussed nou3t But ?ing ?at we truly bou3t And so is oure trewe geten ?ing; C. 1380 Wyclif Sel. Wks. III. 302 Sathanas..to whom ?ei maken sacrifice and omage for ?is falsly geten lordischip; 1477 Earl Rivers (Caxton) Dictes 64 Pouertee is better than euyl goten richesse. 1548 Hall Chron., Edw. IV, 231 The gain of the nyne gotten battailes. 1580 Sidney Ps. x. iii, This gotten blisse, shall never part. 1603 Knolles Hist. Turks (1621) 59 Three or foure yeeres passed in great quietnesse, to the great strengthening of him in those new gotten kingdomes. 1665 Manley Grotius' Low C. Warres 265 They should not endanger their gotten Honour. 1715-20 Pope Iliad x. 596 Haste to the ships, the gotten spoil enjoy. 1820 Chalmers Congreg. Serm. (1838) II. 54 He is apt to be satisfied with the triumphs of his gotten victory. 1894 Gladstone Horace's Odes 36 On gotten goods to live Contented. 2. = begotten 2. Obs. C. 1400 Gamelyn 365 Of my body heire geten haue I none. C. 1410 Love Bonavent. Mirr. vi. (Gibbs MS.), His furst geten sone. A. 1637 B. Jonson Elegy on Lady Digby, Iesus, the only gotten Christ! 3. gotten-up = got-up (got ppl. a. b). U.S. 1931 O. Nash Hard Lines 47 In a tastily gotten-up flat. _________________________________________________________________ got got, ppl. a. [Shortened pa. pple. of get v.: see gotten.] Gained, acquired; gathered as a crop (see the verb). Now only with adv. prefixed, as ill got, well got. 1593-1753 [see ill-got]. 1613-16 W. Browne Brit. Past. ii. iv. 80 Fate drew them on to be A greater Fame to our got Victory. 1806 Fessenden Democr. II. 142 Provided he can save himself Together with his ill got pelf. 1852 Jrnl. R. Agric. Soc. XIII. ii. 296 The value of well-got hay is duly appreciated. b. Comb. with advs.: got-at (see get v. 38 a, b); got-up, artificially produced, elaborated, or adorned, for purposes of effect or deception (see get v. 80 l, m); also, +(well) equipped in a subject.. 1818 Lady Morgan Autobiog. (1859) 199 He snubbed me..for exposing my ignorance to these well got-up Doctrinaires. 1826 R. H. Froude Remains (1838) I. 86, I believe it to be..a got-up business for effect. 1841 L. S. Costello Pilgr. Auvergne I. 336 Plaited collars and delicately got-up linen. 1855 Smedley Coverdale xviii, Such follies are very well for got up puppies. 1871 Earle Philol. Eng. Tongue 217 The symbolics in Greek have grown spontaneously, while their Latin analogues have a got-up and cultivated look. 1871 Geo. Eliot Middlemarch i. xii, Stuff and nonsense! I don't believe a word of it. It's all a got-up story. 1880 Daily Tel. 3 Dec., The principal publishing houses prepare magnificently got-up books which are works of art in themselves. 1883 Times (weekly ed.) 28 Dec. 6/4 Some days after this little got-up play, which seemed to have produced the desired effect. 1891 Sat. Rev. 12 Sept. 313/1 The abundance of easily-got-at material. Hence got-up sb. colloq., an upstart. 1881 Macm. Mag. XLIV. 383 How dare that `got-up' give himself airs with his horses and dogs! _________________________________________________________________ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 21 06:03:57 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:03:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Reaper in SCREAM Message-ID: The Gus tune isn't bad, and I think it's cool that BOC continues to live on in pop culture (however tangentially), especially in a movie that was as much of a blockbuster as Scream. My radio station actually played the tune once (in our "new music" specialty show), but as far as I know, it didn't make any kind of dent otherwise. Speaking of which, I have a question, if anyone would be so kind as to take a moment to think back on that strange decade we call the 70s. I grew up mostly in the 80s, so the only tunes I've EVER heard on the radio are "the big three". What other BOC tunes got airplay back in the Cult's heyday? One final related note...A perfect way to get "Zilla" into the new movie...I call up a so-called classic rock radio station and ask for "Cities on Flame". The DJ says, "I don't think we got that one, let me check...Nope. The only BOC we have is Godzilla, Don't Fear the Reaper and Burnin' For You. I'll try to get one on for you. What's your name, buddy?" Has this ever happened to you? --Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 21 10:09:49 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:09:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? Message-ID: >Appended below is the OED's thoughts on the matter. Apparently, they >consider "got" and "gotten" rare. They consider "got" as an *adjective* rare. Not as a past participle. "I've got a silver machine". "You've got the power, we've got the key". (Sorry 'bout that!) "Gotten" is, in English English, an archaism, but still current in US English as the past participle of "get". Everybody happy? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the plus side, when the site is back up, there are two improvements: 1. For those of you getting "server error" messages trying to play the audio clip, I've provided a link so that you can download it directly -- it takes about 2-3 minutes with a 28.8 kbps modem, but you can go to other pages on the site while you wait. Hopefully now everyone with a RealAudio player can enjoy the music of the Brain Surgeons from my site (of course, to fully enjoy the tunes, you should of course buy the CDs - the sound quality on my site isn't CD quality, although it's pretty good). 2. It looks like I've got the Internet Explorer problems resolved for filling out an order form -- so, now users of either Netscape Navigator or IE can fill out a Cellsum catalog order form on-line to print. Sorry about the minor glitch, but as we know, technical difficulties do happen... John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 21 10:28:49 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:28:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: The Reaper in SCREAM Message-ID: My suspicion is that, since Wes Craven made a deliberately postmodern horror film in _Scream_, that the reason it's there is simply because it was used in John Carpenter's _Halloween_. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1913 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 21 10:49:21 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:49:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: "gotten"? Message-ID: >Everybody happy? Anybody quite as messed up as I am right now? ;-) (in case you don't get the correlation, check out "Date with a Guitar" on tBS *Box of Hammers*) John From micci at SCI.FI Wed May 21 13:03:27 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:03:27 +0300 Subject: recent finds Message-ID: scorch wrote: Spanish double album of Friends & Relations >1 & 2 - red cover with black 'Valium Ten' logo; and... a copy of Space >Ritual, on 8-TRACK!!! > >If anyone wants these items, I'll get them (if still available) at the >next opportunity (should be the end of June...) Hi, Yes i?m intresting that Spanish douple, but is it friends&relations? Only that i know is Spanish promo which is mix of HW first and then some of friends.. all the best Miikka From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 21 13:19:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:19:02 +0100 Subject: recent finds Message-ID: >Yes i?m intresting that Spanish douple, but is it friends&relations? Only >that i know is Spanish promo which is mix of HW first and then some of friends.. That'll be the Victoria album, which is a compilation of various Flicknife bits and pieces - the Hawkwind Zoo and Sonic Assassins EPs, the "Motorhead"/"Valium 10" single, and the HW and ICU cuts (including the immortal "Raj Neesh"!) from F&R 1. Nice pressing, too, for the vinyl junkies among us. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Reminds me of Henry Higgins' song in "My Fair Lady" re: speaking the English language-- ". . . the Americans haven't spoken it in years!" :-) Shari From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed May 21 18:12:14 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:12:14 -0600 Subject: SUMMERFALLS ?!?! In-Reply-To: <338134A4.2920@pi.net> Message-ID: BOC-L'ers Well, May 20th came and went, and still no Summerdaze CD, at least here in the Southwest anyways. The local stores told me that it has been once again postponed. Is is out anywhere else in the U.S. ?? How about mail orders?? God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed May 21 18:18:38 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:18:38 -0600 Subject: OFF; Albert, need advice... In-Reply-To: <338134A4.2920@pi.net> Message-ID: Al or Deb; I am considering changing my teaching job from elem to special ed HS. Can you e-mail me so I may ask you some questions about teaching "at risk" HS kids, please. If anybody knows his e-mail, would you be kind enough to forward? Thanks and God bless..... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 21 22:35:33 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:35:33 +1000 Subject: OFF: (Fwd) Frendz Message-ID: Rob Goodwin asked me to pass this on..... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:56:22 -0700 From: Robert Godwin Reply-to: cgp at icom.ca Organization: CG Publishing Inc To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Frendz Hi, Rob Godwin here (ex Griffin Music) I wonder if you might do me a favour and post something to the Hawkwind BOC list for me. I'm looking for anyone who might have copies of the Underground Newspaper Frendz from 1969. (It was called Friends that year). They were always writing stuff about Hawkwind and I thought the list was as good a place as any to find someone who might be able to help me. If you could just forward this message with my e-mail cgp at icom.ca I would be most grateful. Thanks again Rob -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 22 07:56:32 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:56:32 -0400 Subject: SUMMERFALLS ?!?! Message-ID: No Summderdaze CD yet, but someone posted on Jack's BOC bulletin board that the release date is now June 3rd -- stay tuned. John From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 22 09:25:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:25:49 -0400 Subject: OFF; Albert, need advice... Message-ID: mssg frwrd'd rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu May 22 10:07:43 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:07:43 -0600 Subject: SUMMERFALLS ?!?! In-Reply-To: <199705221156.HAA04174@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 May 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > No Summderdaze CD yet, but someone posted on Jack's BOC bulletin board > that the release date is now June 3rd -- stay tuned. > > John > Well, I woun't hold my breath this time. Ha, ha, ha.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 22 11:27:28 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:27:28 BST Subject: OFF: misbe"gotten"? In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 21 May 1997 00:14:53 GMT+0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > I am pretty sure "gotten" is not a valid word in English as spoken in > > the UK. > > I think even in the UK one can say sentances like "We have gotten > completely pissed every day this week". ;) Or, on a more sober note ;) > "We've not gotten paid for the work I did." > > Obviously, there are other forms and verbs that could be used there > ("We've not _been_ paid ..." etc.) but I think the above examples are > reasonably valid. not really! The words "was" "were" or "haven't been" are almost always used. "Gotten" can still be found in "ill-gotten" gains or "misbegotten" in the case of an illegitimate child (tho' this usage is fairly old and unacceptable now!) but in this part of the UK I know of no other use for the word at all. Probably like "yard" meaning a garden in the US (I think?) it went over with the early colonists and retained its original meaning in the States while the meaning shifted and/or disappeared over here. Yrs offtopically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu May 22 16:01:12 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:01:12 -0500 Subject: HW: New Pressurehed (was OFF:Hash Jar Tempo?) In-Reply-To: <19970521.001106.10622.3.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > Also, I saw the new Pressurehed digipak "Explaining the Unexplained" > ....looks pretty cool. Again, has anyone heard this? any comments > appreciated. I must say that the new Pressurehed album is their best so far (IMO). The first album (Infadrone) was around 50-something minutes, and leans more toward the punky-industrial sound; Their second (Sudden Vertigo) is around an hour long and is more spacy. Much of it, IMO, sounds like filler to me. (E.g., in the first track, there is over 2 minutes of "droning noises" before the song turns into anything of interest.) What strikes me about their third (Explaining the Unexplained) is that it's about 76 minutes long, yet contains >very little filler<. "The Great Orm" is about the only song on the album that sounds "filler-like". Everything else is simply great stuff. And the booklet that comes with it is quite interesting, no extra charge. :-) Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu May 22 16:11:51 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:11:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: misbe"gotten"? Message-ID: > not really! The words "was" "were" or "haven't been" are almost > always used. "Gotten" can still be found in "ill-gotten" gains or > "misbegotten" in the case of an illegitimate child (tho' this usage > is fairly old and unacceptable now!) but in this part of the UK I > know of no other use for the word at all. Probably like "yard" > meaning a garden in the US (I think?) it went over with the early > colonists and retained its original meaning in the States while > the meaning shifted and/or disappeared over here. > > Yrs offtopically > > jill i see your point jill, and think that your idea is probably accurate. however, in the US, we call a garden a garden. a yard is a flat of grass, the area that surrounds your home. yard, lawn, lot, plot, etc. garden, flower bed, etc. gotten as a word is probably almost as rare here as there, but is still used, and i _think_ acceptable.(here) as for that 'off of' thing that someone mentioned, yes i've heard people say that here, but i don't, and here, someone might say it on the street, but when in a business atmoshere, the phrase gets smitten from memory. i speak like a moron most of the time, because it drives some uptight individuals crazy. but i can turn it on and off at will. rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri May 23 09:51:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:51:43 +0200 Subject: HW: Kings of speed/Lords of Light Message-ID: hi For a few days ago I bought the bootleg "Kings of speed"... too bad it isn't a official release 'cos the setlist is outstanding but the soundquality is not the best I've heard. Well, some Qs: Where is it recorded? The booklet says Detroit but the nethawks archives says "probably Boccum in Germany"... why? When is it recorded? Is the date on the cover correct? Line-up? It sounds like Brock, Chadwick and Davey... mvh -Daniel "socialist bastard" Wikdahl "Aldrig f?r man vara riktigt glad -och ?r man ?nd? det s? blir man bakfull" -Lisa, en av mina kurskamrater "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri May 23 10:07:07 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:07:07 +0100 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: Could anyone give me the date HW played Sonic Attack first ? Which show was it and when ? 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The town is called Bochum, the hall Zeche. The recording date is 08.October.1991 Line-Up was: Brock/Davey/Chadwick. Here's the complete track list: 08.10.91, BOCHUM, ZECHE, 80min realms / needle gun / starflight / ejection / time we left / blue shift / right stuff / out of the shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / levitation / arrival in utopia / jam / master of the universe / golden void / paranoia / hassan i sahba / lsd I remeber this gig very good. The venue is only 15 miles from my home Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri May 23 10:44:56 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:44:56 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: Hi there At 15:07 23.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >Could anyone give me the date HW played Sonic Attack first ? >Which show was it and when ? I suppose it was somwhere in early 1971 (spoken by MM) The oldest tape I have with this song is a tape from the SPACE RITUAL tour in 1972 (Space Ritual Alive record) Bernhard From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 23 08:55:14 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:55:14 +0200 Subject: HW: New Pressurehed (was OFF:Hash Jar Tempo?) Message-ID: QUEST wrote: > > On Wed, 21 May 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > > Also, I saw the new Pressurehed digipak "Explaining the Unexplained" > > ....looks pretty cool. Again, has anyone heard this? any comments > > appreciated. > > I must say that the new Pressurehed album is their best so far (IMO). I agree and you can also hear the sound from their work with Nik (the electronic parts). > > The first album (Infadrone) was around 50-something minutes, and leans > more toward the punky-industrial sound; > > Their second (Sudden Vertigo) is around an hour long and is more spacy. > Much of it, IMO, sounds like filler to me. (E.g., in the first track, > there is over 2 minutes of "droning noises" before the song turns into > anything of interest.) > > What strikes me about their third (Explaining the Unexplained) is that > it's about 76 minutes long, yet contains >very little filler<. "The Great > Orm" is about the only song on the album that sounds "filler-like". > Everything else is simply great stuff. And the booklet that comes with it > is quite interesting, no extra charge. :-) Haven?t read the book yet, must find some time this weekend (hopefully), although it certainly seems like interesting reading. It?s a large number of strange stories included (UFO?s, abductions, Nellie, The snowman...). Hawkswede > > Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but > aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle -- ========================================================== "Hallucinatins flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: +46-60-173716 From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri May 23 11:11:05 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:11:05 +0100 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: Thanks Bernard, BUT I'm really interested in finding an exact date, I'm trying to track down MM's inspiration for the song. I'd thouht I'd tracked it to press reports in September 1972 but thats looking to late now. Andy C ---------- From: Bernhard Pospiech Sent: Friday, May 23, 1997 3:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Sonic Attack First played ? Hi there At 15:07 23.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >Could anyone give me the date HW played Sonic Attack first ? >Which show was it and when ? I suppose it was somwhere in early 1971 (spoken by MM) The oldest tape I have with this song is a tape from the SPACE RITUAL tour in 1972 (Space Ritual Alive record) Bernhard begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@8/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`- $```$````,`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````40`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$)/0R](87=K=VEN9"!$:7-C=7-S:6]N M($QI+B*3K6(9E MTT$1T)%C``# ]G.H```>`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!````&0`` M`&%C;V)L97E ;6EC+F1U;F1E92YA8RYU:P`````#``80([@''@,`!Q D`@`` M'@`($ $```!E````5$A!3DM30D523D%21"Q"551)35)%04Q,64E.5$5215-4 M141)3D9)3D1)3D=!3D5804-41$%412Q)351264E.1U1/5%)!0TM$3U=.34U3 M24Y34$E2051)3TY&3U)42$533TY'20`````"`0D0`0```$<#``!#`P``GP4` M`$Q:1G4\A#[?_P`*`0\"%0*D`^0%ZP*#`% 3`U0"`&-H"L!S973N, at 8`!L," M at S(#Q@<3`H,2,Q,/9C0/>FAE;-$#($1L9P* ?0J ",_%"=D[%Y\R-34"@ J! MDPVQ"V!N9P'0-3<*^TL2\@P!8P! 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My recollection (and it may come from the "Do Not Panic" book) is that Moorcock would join up with Hawkwind in the pre-Hawkwind period while they were still playing under the flyover at Ladbroke Grove and recite poetry with them and that one of the things already written was Sonic Attack. It's genesis I'm sure was the Cold War period in the 60s when most people genuinely expected to be wiped out in a nuclear holocaust at almost any minute. There were Government instructions issued explaining what you were to do in the case of a Nuclear Attack such as put paper on the windows to reflect the blast and hide under the kitchen table with a couple of mattresses for protection and not come out until the Radiation All Clear sounded. Can't remember the date of this lot but I think there was a black and white Govt. Public Information film made about it all as well. It was an extremely bizarre period! When was the promo single issued? 1971? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri May 23 13:58:35 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:58:35 +0800 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Andy C writes: > > > Thanks Bernard, > > BUT > > I'm really interested in finding an exact date, I'm trying to track > > down MM's inspiration for the song. I'd thouht I'd tracked it > > to press reports in September 1972 but thats looking to late now. > > > > Andy C > > In that case you might have to go quite far back. My recollection > (and it may come from the "Do Not Panic" book) is that Moorcock would > join up with Hawkwind in the pre-Hawkwind period while they were still > playing under the flyover at Ladbroke Grove and recite poetry with them > and that one of the things already written was Sonic Attack. It's > genesis I'm sure was the Cold War period in the 60s when most people > genuinely expected to be wiped out in a nuclear holocaust at almost > any minute. There were Government instructions issued explaining what > you were to do in the case of a Nuclear Attack such as put paper on the > windows to reflect the blast and hide under the kitchen table with a > couple of mattresses for protection and not come out until the Radiation > All Clear sounded. Can't remember the date of this lot but I think > there was a black and white Govt. Public Information film made about > it all as well. It was an extremely bizarre period! > The film you may be referring to could be the Peter Watkins classic The War Game, which was made I think in 1967 for the BBC, but was banned and not shown by them until about 20 years later, around the time of some BBC anniversary. William From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 23 19:30:46 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:30:46 BST Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Sat, 24 May 1997 01:58:35 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > there was a black and white Govt. Public Information film made about > > it all as well. It was an extremely bizarre period! > > > The film you may be referring to could be the Peter Watkins classic The > War Game, which was made I think in 1967 for the BBC, but was banned and > not shown by them until about 20 years later, around the time of some > BBC anniversary. > > William Yeah - I remember this was shown recently but I'm sure there was a genuine instruction film along the lines of "What You Do When the Air Raid Warnings Sound". Maybe it's a US version I remember seeing but there were things like "Remember You Only Have Three Minutes After Hearing The Siren" and "Remember To Take Plenty Of Fresh Water Into The Shelter With You" and "When The Radiation Levels Have Dropped Sufficiently You Can Come Outside - The All Clear Will Sound Like This". It could be that I'm confusing several different things by now - there have been too many different satirists writing on the subject but Sonic Attack and Peter Porter's poem must have been among the first - oh and Calvert's 10 seconds of Forever of course. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat May 24 01:07:12 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 07:07:12 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: At 16:11 23.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks Bernard, >BUT >I'm really interested in finding an exact date, I'm trying to track >down MM's inspiration for the song. I'd thouht I'd tracked it >to press reports in September 1972 but thats looking to late now. One of the earliest gigs with MM was LONDON, NIGHTINGALE, 22.06.1971. I am very sure that MM did SONIC ATTACK Bernhard From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat May 24 17:19:23 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:19:23 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Albert! Message-ID: HEY!!! Wow, I got halfway through my day before I remembered! I can't believe I almost forgot!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALBERT!!!!! (and MANY MANY MORE!) Whew, that was too close this year. BTW, my order for Pull the Plug goes out early this week, so you might wanna set one aside. :^D Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************* "Each of us, a cell of awareness, imperfect and incomplete. Genetic blends with uncertain ends, on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet." ******************************************************* From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat May 24 17:31:57 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 23:31:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: Question (please respond via private email) Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago, after one of those hoax virus alerts, someone posted the URL of a great website made by this scientist who specializes in viruses and keeps his site updated with the latest infos concerning hoaxes and the real thing. Unfortunately, I lost the said URL. The thing is, I'm not sure whether the person who posted this was on this list or another one I'm on. Anyway, if one of you knows the address, could you please send it to me via private e-mail ? (wouldn't want to clutter the list with such a way-off-topic subject :-o) Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat May 24 17:35:57 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 23:35:57 +0200 Subject: OFF: Happy Birthday Albert! Message-ID: Torgo wrote : >Wow, I got halfway through my day before I remembered! I can't believe I >almost forgot!!!! > >HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALBERT!!!!! (and MANY MANY MORE!) Is it really ? Wow. Same day as my sister. Cool ! *grin* Happy birthday, Al ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Sun May 25 01:21:31 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 01:21:31 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Albert! Message-ID: I second the motion! Happy Birthday, Albert! R. From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun May 25 02:25:44 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 02:25:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Happy Birthday Albert! Message-ID: >Torgo wrote : > >>Wow, I got halfway through my day before I remembered! I can't believe I >>almost forgot!!!! >> >>HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALBERT!!!!! (and MANY MANY MORE!) > >Is it really ? Wow. Same day as my sister. Cool ! *grin* Happy birthday, Al ! Just remember 'Vera Gemeni'.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sun May 25 08:24:44 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:24:44 +0100 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: OK guys heres the timeline I have so far 22.06.1971 LONDON, NIGHTINGALE, MM plays with Hawkwind (first time according to the files at soniques site. Next time is Southampton Top Rank 25.07.73) September 1972: The press association issue a report of sonic weapons 08.11.72 Kings Lynn,Corn Exchange Start of Space ritual tour ? 22/12/72: Space Ritual, Liverpool Stadium 30/12/72: Space Ritual, Brixton Sundown 29.12.72, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN (live tape from Soniques site) 1973, Sonic Attack cloth bag one sided promo(This is Hawkwind do not panic) So the big question for me is "Did MM do Sonic Attack at the London Nightingdale gig" Any ideas on how to check this for sure ? Any one got a direct lien to MM to find out if he remembers the origin of the song ? Ta Andy C (BTW if your wondering why I want to know, remember the post a year or so ago from the Fortean Times referring to sonic weapons? That was my letter, I'm continuing research into this field) ---------- From: Bernhard Pospiech[SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] Sent: 24 May 1997 06:07 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Sonic Attack First played ? At 16:11 23.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks Bernard, >BUT >I'm really interested in finding an exact date, I'm trying to track >down MM's inspiration for the song. I'd thouht I'd tracked it >to press reports in September 1972 but thats looking to late now. One of the earliest gigs with MM was LONDON, NIGHTINGALE, 22.06.1971. I am very sure that MM did SONIC ATTACK Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun May 25 09:42:36 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:42:36 +0200 Subject: Sonic Attack First played ? Message-ID: At 13:24 25.05.97 +0100, you wrote: >So the big question for me is "Did MM do Sonic Attack at the London >Nightingdale gig" I read about this in a music magazine (article) so I am very sure that he did SA >Any ideas on how to check this for sure ? Any one got a direct lien to MM >to find out if he remembers the origin of the song ? You have to contact ROBERT GODWIN (pyat at cujo.icom.ca). He knows MM very good and has contact to him Bernhard From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sun May 25 13:38:00 1997 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: '97 version of Riff Kills Man! Now 3,700 metal reviews Message-ID: Hi there, Semi-lurking Martin here. Just a standard blurb below for my new book. Of course all the BOC's are in it, along with 3 x Brain Surgeons, Deadringer, Flat Out etc, along with fairly long reviews of 29 different Hawkwind albums, and also along with pretty much complete catalogues of any other HEAVY band we've ever discussed! Email me if any questions. Thanks fer reading! Martin Riff Kills Man! Again. The follow-up book to 1993s Riff Kills Man! by Martin Popoff (me) is now (finally!) finished and available. Retitled The Collectors Guide To Heavy Metal, the new one adds 1,750 reviews to the original 1,942, for a total of 3,700 hard rock and heavy metal record/CD reviews. Even though we've managed to keep the page count to 550 pages, dont let that number fool you. Content-wise, the book is close to twice as long as the original Riff Kills Man! In addition, over half of the original reviews have been rewritten, edited, updated, or otherwise altered. The book also includes a nineteen track CD sampler from premiere metal label Century Media. Improvements in coverage include: 1) many catalogue holes filled from every era 2) a next, lighter layer of more old 70s stuff 3) a next, lighter layer of 80s and 90s hair bands 4) WAY more death, doom, thrash, gothic, and black metal 5) many more solo bands/projects 6) more tribute records 7) more attention to CD reissues and box sets 8) more heavy alternative If interested, heres the pricing: US: $24 shipping included (US funds) Canada: $30 shipping included (Can. funds) International: $30 shipping included (US funds) Make cheques or money orders payable to: Martin Popoff P.O. Box 65208 358 Danforth Avenue Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4K 3Z2 Any other questions, please email me at: martinp at inforamp.net Thanks for reading this! Martin From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun May 25 22:34:37 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:34:37 +1000 Subject: OFF: (Fwd) darXtar jumps Hawkon!!! Message-ID: Korberga 1997-05-25 ***************************************************** DARXTAR DROPS OUT OF GERMAN HAWKFEST DUE TO ILLNESS! darXtar will not play at the North German Hawkfest in Hamburg June 13-14-15 as planned. Their lead vocalist K.Soren Bengtsson has catched a very nasty throat infection (Angina Vincenti) that will keep him quiet till end of June, at least. This comes very untimely since the band was very keen to meet their continental fans again, not to mention that they're heavily involved in the recording of their 5:th album and this might delay it even more... Next chance to see darXtar should be at the Stockholm Progressive Festival, August 30 together with acts like Anekdoten, Standarte, Par Lindh project etc. mail recordheaven at uni-x.se for more details. ***************************************************** -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon May 26 08:49:50 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:49:50 +0200 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Message-ID: hi A short, but maybe a little odd, Q: What do you think...is a SR cd with this number 835 487 2 the same as a SR cd with this number EMI Premier 7243 8 35487 2 9 - UK... ??? Does it exist two different EMI SR versions or has somebody just mixed things up? mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From corwin at ROPNET.RU Tue May 27 00:58:14 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:58:14 +0400 Subject: HW: Alien4 lyrics Message-ID: Hi! If anyone has lyrics for Alien4 album please send me it. Thanks for advance. Corwin From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue May 27 03:39:05 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:39:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: I was tempted to pick up on spec a double LP from this band the other day (can't remember the title now), but opted for something else. Is anyone familiar with their music and care to review it in 25 words or less? Is it worth me setting aside a few dollars and making the trip back to the shop? I found one review (not a very helpful one, though) that said the double LP was probably their best. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 27 05:22:49 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:22:49 +0200 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: At 05:39 PM 5/27/97 +1000, you wrote: >I was tempted to pick up on spec a double LP from this band the other day >(can't remember the title now), but opted for something else. Is anyone >familiar with their music and care to review it in 25 words or less? Is it >worth me setting aside a few dollars and making the trip back to the shop? I >found one review (not a very helpful one, though) that said the double LP >was probably their best. > >Pete. Well I don't know anything about this band... but I know where I can find a CD with HP Lovecraft (I can't remember the title) and if you buy this album and like it maybe I can order the CD for you. mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 27 05:51:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:51:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: I have checked out the title of the CD -it's called "LIVE . MAY 11,1968". -Daniel At 11:22 AM 5/27/97 +0200, you wrote: >At 05:39 PM 5/27/97 +1000, you wrote: >>I was tempted to pick up on spec a double LP from this band the other day >>(can't remember the title now), but opted for something else. Is anyone >>familiar with their music and care to review it in 25 words or less? Is it >>worth me setting aside a few dollars and making the trip back to the shop? I >>found one review (not a very helpful one, though) that said the double LP >>was probably their best. >> >>Pete. > >Well I don't know anything about this band... but I know where I can find >a CD with HP Lovecraft (I can't remember the title) and if you buy >this album and like it maybe I can order the CD for you. > >mvh -Daniel > >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 27 06:21:39 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:21:39 +0100 Subject: out&intake In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970520171648.0069e46c@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: In article <3.0.32.19970520171648.0069e46c at mail.castrop- rauxel.netsurf.de>, Bernhard Pospiech writes >Hi William > >>In the case of Confrontation, it (to me) sounds very much like the >>middle of another track they perform live (I think it was one from Black >>Sword). > >It could be the middle part of BRAINSTORM from the Elric 1985-Tour > Agreed. If I recall, the chords sequence was used in the middle of Brainstorm for a couple of tours after as well. Mark Edmonds From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 27 06:38:03 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:38:03 +0100 Subject: HW : I found... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At a Green Fair yesterday, I found.. Dave Brock : Social Alliance 7" Picture Disc - one UKP and Sonic Attack LP MINT vinyl, but no cover - one UKP which will go nicely in my mint cover replacing the *slightly* worn vinyl within. I passed on the tapes, of which there were loads. It would have been great if I hadn't drunk so much I missed John Otway..... -- Jon Browne From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue May 27 08:43:58 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:43:58 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind Glasgow 18th ? Message-ID: Walking past my local ticket vender I noticed: 18 October Glasgow Barralands : Motorhead Are not Hawkwind due to play Glasgow 18 October ? What chance of a Hawkwind/motorhead double bill ? What chance that the to bands won't overlap allowing one hell of a night out ? 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This _could_ mean that Fu Manchu doesn't have anybody on bass and drums anylonger -Bjork and Oliveri have been playing in Fu Manchu for a while. Carl asked if this was a permanent line-up and I thought so back then... but now I don't know anylonger... If Jon Garcia, the singer on all Kyuss albums, quits his band Slo Burn and join Mondo Generator then the original line-up of Kyuss would exist again... and after Kyuss split in 96 he has done some vocals on Hommes solo-project "Gamma Ray" so it doesn't look like they are enemies. As far as I know Scott Reeder (Kyuss bassplayer on "Sky Valley" and "Circus" still plays together with Eddie Glass and "a guy with a name that I have forgot" (both former Fu Manchu musicians -replaced by the people mentioned above) in the band Nebula. I can't help it but I think I can see some Hawkwind tendencies here -I think you know what I mean. :-) mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 27 10:34:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:34:18 +0100 Subject: NIK : Sonic Attack 2001 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Only a year late, Adrian Parr said he was under the impression Sonic Attack 2001 had been released in Germany. (To quote Loaded) WHAT FRESH LUNACY IS THIS? Berhard? Is this true? Anyone? -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 27 13:57:34 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:57:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a list of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what that means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at # 313. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue May 27 14:25:45 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:25:45 +0200 Subject: Lost old HAWKWIND tape discovered Message-ID: Hi folks Today I've received the lost HAWKWIND tape from the open air gig in Berlin from 21.05.1972. This was an absolutely unknown tape (except the last track) I've received this tape from the person who recoorded this short gig by himself. The tape has very good quality (8) some little speed problems and is about 25-30 minutes long Here is the track listing: 21.05.72, BERLIN, WALDBUEHNE, 25/8 intro / you shouldn?t do that / only dreaming / jam / paranoia / silver machine / welcome Thats it Bernhard From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 27 10:26:59 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:26:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: >Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a >list of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what >that means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at ># 313. Probably from all of us collecting any info we can find on that new album! :) Seriously...anyone have any ideas? What are "we" collecting in such large quantities? --Nick From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue May 27 14:43:58 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 04:43:58 +1000 Subject: BOC & HW: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a list > of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what that > means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at # 313. > > John Wasn't Hawkwind something like 6th, or something at one stage? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Another proud production of Max Wilcox Space/time Inc. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." - Eddie OzHawks Brisbane. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue May 27 15:30:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:30:41 +0200 Subject: OFF: sheavy Message-ID: Hi Is there anyone of you who has heard of the Canadian band sHEAVY? Are they any good? I have been surfing the net to find out -and my impression of this band so far is that they are just yet another Sabbath rip-off band (fifaan Jerry ;-)... am I right? mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue May 27 15:25:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:25:30 -0400 Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: ---------- From: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 1:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: #313 most collected artist Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a list of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what that means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at # 313. John So, where did that other part of the mailing list (y'know, them Hawkd00dz) rate on this list? (My HW, Zappa and TD CD's alone are probably bigger than most peoples entire collection. Not braggin', just making a remark...) Now playing: Baby Monitor Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 27 21:30:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:30:52 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: sheavy Message-ID: On tis 27 maj 1997 21.30 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Is there anyone of you who has heard of > the Canadian band sHEAVY? > Are they any good? > I have been surfing the net to find out -and my impression > of this band so far is that they are just yet another > Sabbath rip-off band (fifaan Jerry ;-)... am I right? They are definitely very Sabbathy and the vocals are basically Ozzy clones. No real surprises here. However, they are not too bad. I've got some tapes of them--both studio and live material--and the music is quite enjoyable. I have not rushed out to buy their album, though maybe if I had a real job I would pick it up :) Interestingly, I hear through my connections to Rise Above Records (London doom metal label) that Tony Iommi contacted their singer for work on his upcoming solo project ..... Cheers, Carl ********************************************************************** Carl Edlund Anderson ASNAC Dept, U of Cambridge cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk ********************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 27 16:36:02 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:36:02 -0400 Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: I'm not sure, but I think Hawkwind was in the top 100. I saw it in the list, but didn't take note of the position. Sorry! John From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue May 27 16:43:32 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:43:32 CDT Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: If I recall correctly, HW was around #33 last time I recall hearing these stats.... Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 3:41 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: #313 most collected artist I'm not sure, but I think Hawkwind was in the top 100. I saw it in the list, but didn't take note of the position. Sorry! John From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue May 27 17:13:27 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:13:27 +0100 Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: >I'm not sure, but I think Hawkwind was in the top 100. I saw it in the >list, but didn't take note of the position. Sorry! Hawkwind are always in the top 500 list and often in the top 100. Well in the ones I have they are. And as usual I bet the beatles were at the top! It seems hawkwind are fairly collectable by readers of the magazine? Does any one know why because there at certainly 500 bands who sell more records commershialy. Or am I wrong? Timothy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue May 27 17:15:10 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:15:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bootlegging Message-ID: Hi Can someone tell me how they bootleged concerts inthe earily 70s since I didn't think small tape recorders were invented until 76 or widly avaidable. Surly the machines were big so how did they get them in if so? Timothy Langner From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue May 27 17:53:40 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 07:53:40 +1000 Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: langner timothy wrote: > > >I'm not sure, but I think Hawkwind was in the top 100. I saw it in the > >list, but didn't take note of the position. Sorry! > > Hawkwind are always in the top 500 list and often in the top 100. Well in the > ones I have they are. And as usual I bet the beatles were at the top! It seems > hawkwind are fairly collectable by readers of the magazine? Does any one know > why because there at certainly 500 bands who sell more records commershialy. > Or am I wrong? > > Timothy Langner Just think of all of the offshoot releases, bands, unofficial releases, bootlegs, concert tapes, compilations, friends and relations that the band has. I think being in the top hundred is quite justified, personally -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Another proud production of Max Wilcox Space/time Inc. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." - Eddie OzHawks Brisbane. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue May 27 19:14:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:14:15 +0100 Subject: #313 most collected artist Message-ID: > Just think of all of the offshoot releases, bands, unofficial >releases, bootlegs, concert tapes, compilations, friends and relations that >the band has. I think being in the top hundred is quite justified, personally I was just surprised when I frist saw it. Any way they can't sell bootlegs, concert tapes in the record collector now due to laws. Not allowed to do it. Shame but there again who neds it when there's the net. Timothy Langner From HawkLord at AOL.COM Tue May 27 20:11:26 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 20:11:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: Hi there, everybody. I just joined this group for discussing Hawkwind and Nik Turner, but I'm now making my first post by talking about H.P. Lovecraft. I have two albums by this band. The earlier album is self-titled, and was put out by Philips and Dunwich Productions, Inc. The back of the album includes a brief biography of the REAL H.P. Lovecraft, and gives thanks to the Lovecraft estate, August Derleth, and Arkham House Publishing for use of the group's title and for the titles of some of the songs. I can find no date on the album. There are a few decent songs on the album that space-rockers like us would enjoy. "The White Ship" and "The Time Machine" aren't exactly "Brainstorm" or "Spirit of the Age" but they are worth a listen. The other album I have was from 1975 and is titled "We Love You Whoever You Are." The band had changed its name to just Lovecraft, and the picture of the band on the back just screams out DISCO. This album is still shrink-wrapped, so I have no idea what the music is like on it. Song titles like "I Feel Better" and "Your Smile" don't sound very promising to me. I remember that there was a brief mention of the band in the novel "The Eye in the Pyramid", the first book in the Illuminatus! trilogy. I do remember the book specifying that it was the band, not the horror fiction author. So why did I actually spend good money on these albums? I am a very big H.P. Lovecraft fan (the author, not the band). These bizarre little treasures were too good to pass up, and I picked them up in two different years at a convention in San Diego (from an even bigger H.P. Lovecraft fan than I am). That's the limit of my knowledge on the subject, can anyone else chime in with more? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue May 27 23:25:43 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:25:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) In-Reply-To: <970527201107_-1028704952@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 May 1997, Tony A. Rowe wrote: > Hi there, everybody. I just joined this group for discussing Hawkwind and > Nik Turner, but I'm now making my first post by talking about H.P. Lovecraft. Welcome aboard! [[H.P. Lovecraft album reviews omitted.]] > That's the limit of my knowledge on the subject, can anyone else chime in > with more? I have three H.P. Lovecraft LPs. Well, two, actually. One of them is a double album that is probably the one that Peter mentioned in his original post. It is a reissue of their first two albums, _The White Ship_ and _At the Mountains of Madness_ (so I believe them to be entitled; maybe that's what the reissues were called?). I haven't heard it in quite some time. However, I remember the first album to be well worth a listen; the second one is rather patchy, IMHO, but worth it on the whole. It is late 60s psyche, with something of a folk-rock feel to it. A trademark of their sound is the twin vocal arrangements that work very well. Kind of like It's A Beautiful Day, but with two blokes instead (though one was apparently classically trained). Everything I've heard about H.P. Lovecraft says they went off the rails after the first two albums, so your predictions about the mid-70s "disco" album you have are most likely justified. The other album of I have by them---_Live, May 11, 1968_ is, IMHO, essential. If you only buy one album by them, buy this one! (Hell, buy it anyway!) The songs are incredibly dynamic live. "The White Ship" has much more atmosphere, with some great droning feedback guitar lending it the cosmic air it deserves. Overall, there is superb interplay between all the musicians. There's not a single dud on this album. Great jamming throughout. It's not what I'd call an acid freakout by any means, but wonderful nontheless. I know it got some heavy duty rotation when I bought it several years ago. I'm glad to hear it's made it to CD: looks like a special order is in my future... I hope this helps. Cheers, Paul. PS: I, too, came to them as a H.P. Lovecraft [the author] fan, but stayed for the music. obCD: fIREHOSE, _Ragin' Full On_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Tue May 27 23:30:02 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:30:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: >The other album of I have by them---_Live, May 11, 1968_ is, IMHO, >essential. If you only buy one album by them, buy this one! (Hell, buy >it anyway!) The songs are incredibly dynamic live. "The White Ship" has >much more atmosphere, with some great droning feedback guitar lending it >the cosmic air it deserves. Overall, there is superb interplay between >all the musicians. There's not a single dud on this album. Great jamming >throughout. It's not what I'd call an acid freakout by any means, but >wonderful nontheless. I know it got some heavy duty rotation when I >bought it several years ago. I'm glad to hear it's made it to CD: looks >like a special order is in my future... I heartily concur. If you only own one _H.P. Lovecraft_ album, this is the one. It's been out on CD for at least a few years; I bought it in 1993, I think. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed May 28 04:01:40 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:01:40 +1000 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. Very helpful. "Mountains of Madness" definitely rings a bell, so it must have been the reissue of the first two I saw. But, to follow popular opinion as I always do ;) I might try to find the live CD before getting this one. Pete. ObCD: White Mansions - Paul Kennerley et al At 23:25 27/5/97 -0400, Paul wrote: >I have three H.P. Lovecraft LPs. Well, two, actually. One of them is a >double album that is probably the one that Peter mentioned in his original >post. It is a reissue of their first two albums, _The White Ship_ and _At >the Mountains of Madness_ (so I believe them to be entitled; maybe that's >what the reissues were called?). ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed May 28 11:40:11 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:40:11 BST Subject: BOC & HW: #313 most collected artist In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Wed, 28 May 1997 04:43:58 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > John A Swartz wrote: > > > > Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a list > > of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what that > > means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at # 313. > > > > John > > Wasn't Hawkwind something like 6th, or something at one stage? They were fairly high up last time around but had slipped down a bit this year. I think it's a reader's response poll so it really just shows the eclectic interests of folk who buy Record Collector and/or those who can be bothered to send in the voting slip nominating their choices. The response though was fairly large as I recall so it's probably a fairly realistic survey of British collecting preferences. The top 10 tend to be recent modern groups who have vanished from sight by the time the next poll comes round. Hawkwind, however, are in the steadily consistent group that regularly feature in the first 20 or 30 groups listed. jill obcomplaint> bike repairs 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed May 28 06:50:39 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 06:50:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: H.P.Lovecraft (the band) Message-ID: > Thanks for all the replies. Very helpful. "Mountains of Madness" definitely > rings a bell, so it must have been the reissue of the first two I saw. But, > to follow popular opinion as I always do ;) I might try to find the live CD > before getting this one. > Pete. > well, my opinion isnt usually popular, i have mountains of madness (lovecraft) which i think is pretty cool, though not very psychedelic, and live. i listen to live now and then. i had one other, the name of which i can't recall. i had it on green or red vinyl or somesuch. it sucked so bad i gave it away. rj From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Wed May 28 07:49:25 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 04:49:25 -0700 Subject: OFF:Thor? Message-ID: Around the time I began collecting Hawkwind, I also was into a group called Thor. Anyone know anything about what became of this group? Here's all I know: The leader was a bodybuilder-type named Jon Mikl. The first album was Nordic-sounding pop with a slight metal bent. The second and third albums came out much later (like 7 years or so later) and the whole group had changed. Still Norse, but extremely heavy metal, and actually starting to sound quite good. They put out a live album and then dropped out of sight. (Somewhere in there, Jon Mikl starred in a "B" horror flick where he played a muscle-bound zombie.) I also have an EP ("Thunder on the Tundra") bringing the total to 5 pieces of vinyl. Anyway, if anyone has news, I'd 'preciate it! Alan From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed May 28 07:54:58 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:54:58 +0200 Subject: OFF: sheavy Message-ID: Carl writes; > They are definitely very Sabbathy and the vocals are basically Ozzy >clones. No real surprises here. However, they are not too bad. I've got >some tapes of them--both studio and live material--and the music is quite >enjoyable. I have not rushed out to buy their album, though maybe if I had >a real job I would pick it up :) Ah, I know the situation very well. > > Interestingly, I hear through my connections to Rise Above Records >(London doom metal label) that Tony Iommi contacted their singer for work >on his upcoming solo project ..... Like that Coverdale and Page thing a few years ago. It looks like it isn't an god idea to buy a sHEAVY CD right now before I have heard some of their music. -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 28 05:57:56 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:57:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bootlegging In-Reply-To: <199705272115.WAA13752@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199705272115.WAA13752 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >Hi > >Can someone tell me how they bootleged concerts inthe earily 70s since I >didn't think small tape recorders were invented until 76 or widly avaidable. >Surly the machines were big so how did they get them in if so? > >Timothy Langner Um, big tape recorders. The sound desk, for instance. Reel-to-reels too, in certain circumstances. I'm probably wrong but it occurs to me that it wasn't considered a problem until the mid 70's. If you asked Magic Muscle if you could tape their show at the Free School in the '60's, they'd have no reason to say no, is my guess. -- Jon Browne ObCD delayed another two weeks, oh nuts. Spiritualized - "Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 28 08:50:56 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:50:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bootlegging Message-ID: Also, many early bootlegs (not all, perhaps not even a large percentage) were not only live concerts, but also unused studio tracks (at least in the case of the Beatles). As pointed out, the sound board was often the source of these recordings - all it takes is a recording to get into the right hands, and a potential bootleg is born. For a great perspective on the whole bootleg industry, there's a great book available called "Bootleg: The Other Record Instustry" (or something very similar) - the author's name escapes me, although I have the book and it made for very interesting reading. John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 28 10:26:31 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:26:31 +0800 Subject: OFF:Thor? Message-ID: Alan Troup wrote: > > Around the time I began collecting Hawkwind, I also > was into a group called Thor. Anyone know anything > about what became of this group? > > Here's all I know: The leader was a bodybuilder-type > named Jon Mikl. The first album was Nordic-sounding > pop with a slight metal bent. The second and third > albums came out much later (like 7 years or so later) > and the whole group had changed. Still Norse, but > extremely heavy metal, and actually starting to sound > quite good. They put out a live album and then dropped > out of sight. (Somewhere in there, Jon Mikl starred in > a "B" horror flick where he played a muscle-bound zombie.) > I also have an EP ("Thunder on the Tundra") bringing the > total to 5 pieces of vinyl. > > Anyway, if anyone has news, I'd 'preciate it! > I recall seeing a video of this band, with a fight scene on stage between Thor & Loki. Loki was being played by Nik Turner. William From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Wed May 28 11:02:24 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:02:24 -0700 Subject: OFF:Thor? Message-ID: >I recall seeing a video of this band, with a fight scene on stage >between Thor & Loki. Loki was being played by Nik Turner. Really!!! I had no idea there was any connection at all. Amazing. I wonder if anyone has a copy of this video? Thanks for this info! Alan From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 29 08:23:12 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:23:12 -0600 Subject: #313 Message-ID: From: John A Swartz Subject: BOC: #313 most collected artist >Saw a recent copy of the UK magazine, *Record Collector*. In it was a list >of the Top 500 Most Collected Artists (I'm not entirely sure what that >means). BOC, not on the list last year, weighed in this year at # 313. >John Sounds if someone has been overdeosing on Club Ninja re-releases. >So, where did that other part of the mailing list (y'know, them Hawkd00dz) >rate on this list? (My HW, Zappa and TD CD's alone are probably bigger >than most peoples entire collection. Not braggin', just making a remark...) Oh Yeah? Then list them and prove it. On second though better not, we don't need anymore special issues. 8>) >Now playing: Baby Monitor >Craig Shipley Uh Craig is that a band or parental duties your referring to here? If parental congradulations. L8er lil' ab Livin in the darkness I have a shadow I feel a spirit I feel the ghost Never lettin me go From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 29 14:26:09 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:26:09 GMT+0100 Subject: New Improved tBS pages Message-ID: Tania Ruiz's Brain Surgeons WWW site, is repaired and revamped and better than ever. Special in this edition are the new lyrics pages at the site, lyrtrep.html and lyrepo.html and lyrbox.html.... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu May 29 09:31:38 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:31:38 PDT Subject: #313 In-Reply-To: ; from "BREVARD Adrian R." at May 29, 97 6:23 am Message-ID: Li'l AB sez... > > >So, where did that other part of the mailing list (y'know, them Hawkd00dz) > >rate on this list? (My HW, Zappa and TD CD's alone are probably bigger >than > most peoples entire collection. Not braggin', just making a remark...) > > Oh Yeah? Then list them and prove it. On second though better not, we > don't need anymore special issues. 8>) > Shoot, bubba, considering that I have duplicates of a bunch of the TD stuff ("Yes! It is the NEW and IMPROVED remasters of the Virgin-era TD! And look, they redid all the Jive-Zomba ones, too! Damn, honey, looks like we ain't gonna eat this week!" Heck, I have three copies of "Tangram"; the orginal, the one with the purple cover and the SBM, and this is not one of my favorite TD releases!) and Zappa AND Hawkwind (three copies of "Levitation"; the Castle twofer, the Japanese one with "Live in '79" smooshed in there and the Griffin release), the numbers can add up real quick. (How was that for a hard-to-read sentence?!?) FWIW, I have been buying CD's since they came out way back in '83 and have bought a lot of used stuff, too. > >Now playing: Baby Monitor > > >Craig Shipley > > Uh Craig is that a band or parental duties your referring to here? If > parental congradulations. That is a small simplex FM radio system that lets me listen to my new daughter :-). But, that is a kinda k00l name for a band, eh what? Think of all the free publicity that they would get, at least at "Babies R Us"!! (Time to stop, getting wayyyyy too goofy!) Thanks for the congrats! > > L8er > > lil' ab > Livin in the darkness > I have a shadow > I feel a spirit > I feel the ghost > Never lettin me go > ObCDPlayer: Andy Pickford / Xenomorph -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 29 14:54:37 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:54:37 BST Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever Message-ID: On the 10th Day of Forever I thought of a venue, a journey, a place to stay On the 9th Day of Forever I thought of those who would not be there - and those who would... so: who is going to the Hawkwind Blackheath gig and where are we meeting? I've checked my Pubs of London guide and there are some especially nice sounding places around the Blackheath/Greenwich area. If I can get down early enough, I guess a pub meal and a drink beforehand might be a good plan. Any suggestions? I can list the places I've found if anyone is interested. see y' jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu May 29 10:24:09 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:24:09 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever In-Reply-To: <9705291454.aa10525@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 May 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > On the 10th Day of Forever I thought of a venue, a journey, a place to > stay > On the 9th Day of Forever I thought of those who would not be there - > and those who would... > > so: who is going to the Hawkwind Blackheath gig and where are we meeting? > I can list the places I've found if anyone is interested. I aim to be there, although I haven't got a ticket yet so all is not settled, but they never sell out (please, dear Brock, let these not be famous last words) so I'm going. The first gig that I could get to since Langtree, the chance to see BOCLers, who could resist? So please list any suggestions for a meet place. See Y'all soon, hopefully Big Mike From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 29 11:07:01 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:07:01 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever In-Reply-To: <9705291454.aa10525@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9705291454.aa10525 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >On the 10th Day of Forever I thought of a venue, a journey, a place to >stay >On the 9th Day of Forever I thought of those who would not be there - >and those who would... > >so: who is going to the Hawkwind Blackheath gig and where are we meeting? When is this gig? I haven`t seen HW since about '92/'93 when they played in Aylesbury and now they have this new guitarist, I guess a refresher dose of the sound is called for. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 29 16:47:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:47:06 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever Message-ID: On tor 29 maj 1997 15.24 "sultan of swing (The)" wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > > so: who is going to the Hawkwind Blackheath gig and where are we > > meeting? > > I aim to be there, although I haven't got a ticket yet so all is not > settled, but they never sell out (please, dear Brock, let these not be > famous last words) so I'm going. The first gig that I could get to since > Langtree, the chance to see BOCLers, who could resist? Likewise--though the good Mr. Jarrett has recently provided me with the phone number for tix, and I've just returned from wandered around making small purchases with large notes in order to collect the required loose change to make the call. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu May 29 19:18:44 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:18:44 BST Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 29 May 1997 16:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <9705291454.aa10525 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > >On the 10th Day of Forever I thought of a venue, a journey, a place to > >stay > >On the 9th Day of Forever I thought of those who would not be there - > >and those who would... > > > >so: who is going to the Hawkwind Blackheath gig and where are we meeting? > > When is this gig? I haven`t seen HW since about '92/'93 when they played > in Aylesbury and now they have this new guitarist, I guess a refresher > dose of the sound is called for. Saturday 7th June at Blackheath Concert Halls, London SE (just off the southern tip of Greenwich). Doors open 8pm and HLL is supporting. Go for it 8-) jill PS: I've just checked the Web page and I see that 2nd August at Kettering Festival is an unconfirmed possibility. Where is Kettering? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu May 29 15:23:03 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Thor Message-ID: Once upon a time, Alan Troup said: >They put out a live album and then dropped >out of sight. (Somewhere in there, Jon Mikl starred in >a "B" horror flick where he played a muscle-bound zombie.) The B movie you are talking about is "Zombie Nightmare", and what a stinker it is. This movie was cut up by the "Mystery Science Theater 3000" gang during their 6th season. It featured Thor as a zombie with the speed and agility of John Goodman on Hume Cronyn's back. It also featured Adam "Batman" West as a hastilly slapped together detective, and an "old world Italian" grocer named Hank Peters (groan). Probably the best feature of the film is the opening credits, which is set to Motorhead's "Ace of Spades". If you like really horrible movies with poor acting and no effects or continuity to speak of, rent Zombie Nightmare. I think Leonard Maltin gave it 3 stars. What a dickweed. :^D Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************* "The good book says its better to give than to receive, I do my best to do my part. Nothing in my pockets, I've got nothing up my sleeve, I keep my magic in my heart." ******************************************************* From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Thu May 29 15:39:57 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:39:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Thor Message-ID: Ha! Thanks! I knew it had "zombie" in the title somewhere. Truthfully, I've never seen the whole movie - but thanks for those details! Alan >>> Torgo 05/29/97 12:23PM >>> Once upon a time, Alan Troup said: >They put out a live album and then dropped >out of sight. (Somewhere in there, Jon Mikl starred in >a "B" horror flick where he played a muscle-bound zombie.) The B movie you are talking about is "Zombie Nightmare", and what a stinker it is. This movie was cut up by the "Mystery Science Theater 3000" gang during their 6th season. It featured Thor as a zombie with the speed and agility of John Goodman on Hume Cronyn's back. It also featured Adam "Batman" West as a hastilly slapped together detective, and an "old world Italian" grocer named Hank Peters (groan). Probably the best feature of the film is the opening credits, which is set to Motorhead's "Ace of Spades". If you like really horrible movies with poor acting and no effects or continuity to speak of, rent Zombie Nightmare. I think Leonard Maltin gave it 3 stars. What a dickweed. :^D Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************* "The good book says its better to give than to receive, I do my best to do my part. Nothing in my pockets, I've got nothing up my sleeve, I keep my magic in my heart." ******************************************************* From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu May 29 16:11:31 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:11:31 -0400 Subject: Born to Go / Hawkwind at Strange Daze 97 news Message-ID: The very excellent major news is that Born to Go will be supporting our Heroes and original inspiration, Hawkwind at the Space Daze 97 festival, in Sherman NY. details on: and I will soon have the data up on the Born to Go site: We will be debuting our new song, dedicated to the enduring memory of the late, great, Robert Calvert, called 'Radio Calvert' at the festival. We were thinking of perhaps doing a Hawks cover, any requests? In Space we Trust, Marc. -- Who put the Mind (Control) in MTV?: "If you're an MTV fan, you like all the stuff on MTV. That's how you know who you are, what to wear and what you like." - JUDY McGRATH, President of MTV From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 29 19:38:51 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 00:38:51 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever Message-ID: Well, got my ticket, guess I'll be there, in my Pays Basque tee-shirt (I just got back) and Radio Birdman hat... (Blackheath Concert Halls, Sat 7 June, 0181-463 0100 it says here, btw.) So who's going to the Dr Music festival? I might seriously be up for that! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, Northampton's about 60 miles from London, "on the M1 motorway, with 50% of Britain's industry and 57% of its population within a 100 mile radius". - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2203 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 30 05:09:32 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:09:32 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever In-Reply-To: <9705291918.aa16117@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9705291918.aa16117 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes > >PS: I've just checked the Web page and I see that 2nd August at >Kettering Festival is an unconfirmed possibility. Where is Kettering? Northamptonshire, a little north of Wellingborough which is a little north of Bedford. Kettering is where I was born - it doesn`t have much else to distinguish it! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri May 30 04:24:15 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:24:15 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 May 1997 00:38:51 BST." <01BC6C91.F79C3AC0@host5-99-45-213.btinternet.com> Message-ID: > > Well, got my ticket, guess I'll be there, in my Pays Basque tee-shirt (I just got back) and Radio Birdman hat... > > (Blackheath Concert Halls, Sat 7 June, 0181-463 0100 it says here, btw.) I was toying with the idea of making this, but I think it lost out to the the G^3 concert at Shepherds Bush on the friday. If I'm not too deaf or skint I'll be there saturday. > So who's going to the Dr Music festival? I might seriously be up for that! So what's this then ? Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 30 06:43:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:43:54 +0100 Subject: HW: 10th Day of Forever Message-ID: >> So who's going to the Dr Music festival? I might seriously be up for that! >So what's this then ? That's the three-day festival in Spain in July, with HW, Alice Cooper, Biohazard, Republica, etc etc etc. (But not the Blue Oyster Cult, in spite of the name! :) http://www.doctormusic.es has details in Spanish, English and Catalan. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yours, Jazza ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 30 14:36:52 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:36:52 GMT+0100 Subject: Born to Go / Hawkwind at Strange Daze 97 news Message-ID: On tor 29 maj 1997 16.11 "Marc Power" wrote: > We were thinking of perhaps doing a Hawks cover, any requests? Upside Down! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri May 30 10:34:56 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:34:56 +0100 Subject: Born to Go / Hawkwind at Strange Daze 97 news Message-ID: "Marc Power" wrote: > We were thinking of perhaps doing a Hawks cover, any requests? Not that I'll be there but how about doing black corridor going to seven by seven (ie BBC 72 concert I have) then do Wind of change followed by Wizord blow his horn and finaly D-rider. Just do something really spacy with lots of nice keybaords like wind of change black corridor/wizhord blow his horn and some heavy stuff like d-rider/seven by seven. I know spent the complete set time doing sholdn't do that. Shouldn't be difficult after all the orginal was only 16mins long so just needs to be extended with lots of other spacy noises. Of course you need to play some of your songs but some really heavy like that is really good. Just ashme hawkwind don't do it any more. I mena really do it not jsut a short bit. I mean 16+mins of it. Of course they need nik but can't they get a saxphone sound out of the keyboard is does that sound rubbish? Timothy Langner From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri May 30 15:46:03 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:46:03 BST Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: ....I remembered a warm room where drink flowed ok: pubs in London SE3 - (taken from the Nicholson "London Pub Guide") Hare & Billet - 1a Eliot Cottages (Whitbred) One hundred year old village pub in a beautiful setting overlooking a pond right on Blackheath. Victorian wood-panelling inside, hung with old prints of Blackheath and Greenwich (bar food) Princess of Wales - 1a Montpelier Row (Charrington) Large pub in a lovely heathside location. Sit out the front or enjoy an excellent bar lunch inside. Popular local (bar food) Railway Tavern - 16 Blackheath Village (Ind Coope) One of the oldest buildings in Blackheath Village, this attractively ronovated pub is proud of achieving the fourth highest sales of Burton Ale in Britain. The restaurant operates as a carvery (bar food + restaurant lunch) There are half a dozen others but all in the Greenwich area up by the river - some distance away from the venue. I'd suggest Princess of Wales or Railway Tavern since I'm not sure how the Hare & Billet might react to being overrun by BOC-l'ers but if anyone has any other suggestions - or knows the area at all speak now! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 30 10:49:04 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: Born to Go / Hawkwind at Strange Daze 97 news Message-ID: > We were thinking of perhaps doing a Hawks cover, any requests? Paradox... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 30 11:12:26 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:12:26 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: <9705301546.aa11551@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > I'd suggest Princess of Wales or Railway Tavern since I'm not sure how > the Hare & Billet might react to being overrun by BOC-l'ers but if > anyone has any other suggestions - or knows the area at all speak now! The Hare and Billet is also Whitbred and therefore illegal... I've sent a query to a denizen of the area, but if he doesn't get back to me I'd say Princess of Wales, on the grounds that it sounds less likely to be `olde worlde' and therefore might be cheaper... Yours, Jazza ______________________________________________________________________________ LE FROMAGE N'AIME PAS MAMAN - The cheese does not like Mother (The Not Very Good Interval Band) Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College Cambridge From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 30 10:53:24 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:53:24 +0100 Subject: Born to Go / Hawkwind at Strange Daze 97 news In-Reply-To: <199705301434.PAA13902@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199705301434.PAA13902 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >Of course they need nik but can't they get a saxphone sound out of the >keyboard is does that sound rubbish? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes!!! (sorry, couldn`t resist). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 30 16:26:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:26:47 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: By the way, where the hell in the gig (besides in SE London)? Nearest tube stop? Or actually, nearest tube stop to the pub, since that's where we'll meet :) Cheers, Carl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 30 12:05:45 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:05:45 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: > By the way, where the hell in the gig (besides in SE London)? Nearest >tube stop? Tube stop? South east London? Give over!! :) Blackheath BR's your best bet - out of London Bridge, I guess. But maybe Charing Cross. Someone ring BR (or whoever it is now). And of Jill's shortlist, I'd wager the Railway Tavern is nearest the station... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 30 May 1997 16:26:47 GMT+0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > By the way, where the hell in the gig (besides in SE London)? Nearest > tube stop? > > Or actually, nearest tube stop to the pub, since that's where we'll > meet :) If it stays this hot then I'll be in the river swimming...... Head for Greenwich (opposite side of the river from Docklands) by boat if necessary then head due south along the meridian 0 line (or close to it) and Blackheath begins where Greenwich stops. It used to be an open exposed heathland where folk leaving London were waylaid by highway men on a regular sort of basis. {digression mode on: actually one of my 17th century ancestors was summoned to appear in court for a highway robbery he committed there but he didn't turn up for the trial for some reason..... - digression mode off!} Otherwise you'll have to take a train from London Bridge or Waterloo or a long bus ride from Central London thro' Elephant & Castle. cheers jill Observation> all these folk slaving over their computers on a day this hot - has to be an examinations week. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri May 30 13:15:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:15:00 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Fri, 30 May 97 17:05 +0100 Message-ID: On 30 May 17:05, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Blackheath BR's your best bet - out of London Bridge, I guess. But maybe > Charing Cross. Someone ring BR (or whoever it is now). http://www.railtrack.co.uk might help (I haven't tried it). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 30 13:45:31 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:45:31 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: OK, it's Waterloo East or London Bridge, looks like they're pretty frequent from both going. The last sensible train back to Waterloo is 23:28 - but I expect in genteel Blackheath it'll close by 11 anyway. BTW, the ad in Time Out said 6pm but the ticket says 8pm? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2013 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 30 14:14:52 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:14:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze Message-ID: Well, had about given up when I saw it in a box... Anyways, here's what I think so far.... Cover: Cool. There's something to do with each band... a wolf for Steppenwolf, a reaper for BOC, some foghat guy, and for Travers... well, I imagine something else on there is for them. The reaper has lightning behind him, and some lights in the sky, all appros for BOC.... There may or may not be a face in the clouds... Inside: Well, Steppenwolf's tracks are listed, they're all 1995 or later. BOC is the only band that relied on "classics" in this CD... at least we get PUD. And the picture of BOC is a relatively recent one, which is a relief given the number of latter-day BOC pictures on CDs that show Albert and Joe... It appears to at least be after Eric got the trim on his Beard, but enough time for his and Buck's hair to grow out a bit again... any guesses? The BOC tracks mention that Reaper and Godzilla are "performed live". It doesn't mention any places or dates, presumably because they didn't want it known that these are from a few years ago. Don't know if the line-up listed for BOC (Eric/Allen/Don/Danny Miranda/Bobby Rondinelli) is the same as back from those live tracks or from the studio PUD... The Steppenwolf tracks all seem nice and competent, nothing spectucular, but alright.... (I forced myself to listen to them first while I looked over the cover) They're all studio tracks, copyright in the last year or two... The PUD track is good, not used to it but I quite like it. Better than the Steppenwolf stuff at any rate... The Reaper track... Well it seems somewhat subdued somehow, the vocals okay (better than Eric last year) the drumming okay..... but once it kicks in gear in the middle part, it's much better. It seemed the keyboards (I think Allen but Eric seems to do a lot of that nowadays too) were shadowing Don throughout much of the middle section, which I didn't remember hearing before... Don's guitar is spectacular throughout... There are a lot of "thanks" at the end.... The Godzilla track has a nice intro from Eric, whose done more variations on this than I care to guess... This one comes off good, but there's something about the way it's mixed (along with Reaper) that seems annoying... other than that, it's a great track, but still Godzilla.... Nothing wrong with that, but I really wish they'd used Harvest or X'Ray or See you in Black to keep in line with what everyone else was doing... Miranda has a Bass solo in this, like he usually does... but not that long... aha! Eric confirmed my suspicions, the line-up for the live tracks is not what is listed in the CD, it's John Miccelli (sp?) on Drums here. There's a weird blank spot or two right about here, I'm almost wondering if they didn't cut out a bit of a drum solo in this track... ==== otherwise.... Foghat has live tracks also.... Where the BOC tracks were mixed so the vocals sounded "echoy" (given the volume they normally play at... it sounds a bit like the live '1976 stuff when it was mostly on) and a bit drowned out by the instruments, Foghat goes the other way around, it's hard to hear the guitar clearly because the vocals are mixed much louder.... I prefer the BOC mixing to this... it sounds like listening to the guitar in another room or something... The second track doesn't do it as bad... The Travers stuff stands up better than most of the other stuff on this CD, IMO. I want to qualify all this that I bought the CD during my lunch break and was listening at work, so I couldn't really turn it up, maybe a lot of what I'm saying will be meaningless when played properly... Anyways, still worth getting, since this may be the only way we'll get Power Underneath Despair, which so far I like the best of any track on the CD... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 30 20:34:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:34:45 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: Well, heck, as long as I can find the pub and the venue I'll worry about getting _back_ afterwards ... :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Pride & Glory From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 30 17:11:34 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: Umlaut Hell Message-ID: Hokay, about the other comments I made about Summerdaze CD, I have to address this: They did remember to put the umlauts over the O in B?C. But they can't seem to put them right. The Logo with all the band nams is okay (if cheesy). But on the inside sleve in the BOC info section, the text is in Italics, and the Umlauts appear in the space between Blue and Oyster. But that's not the worse offense... on the CD itself, which is rather garishly colored, the umlauts in Blue Oyster Cult appear over the "Y". That's right, Blue O?ster Cult. Aaaayyyiiieeeeee!!!! +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From dellison at POP.DN.NET Fri May 30 21:50:43 1997 From: dellison at POP.DN.NET (Dave Ellison) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:50:43 -0500 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: >OK, it's Waterloo East or London Bridge, looks like they're pretty frequent from both going. > >The last sensible train back to Waterloo is 23:28 - but I expect in genteel Blackheath it'll close by 11 anyway. > >BTW, the ad in Time Out said 6pm but the ticket says 8pm? > >- Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > >Attachment Converted: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\WWW\ATTCHMNT\ReHWOnt1 > I am a lurking boc-l'er, and have been receiving a number of ReHWxxx attachments, as above, from you. What are they? Dave Ellison From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat May 31 00:05:33 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: <199705310150.UAA14672@pop.dn.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 1997, Dave Ellison wrote: > >Attachment Converted: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\WWW\ATTCHMNT\ReHWOnt1 > > I am a lurking boc-l'er, and have been receiving a number of ReHWxxx > attachments, as above, from you. What are they? They are the pernicious proprietary hand of Microsoft at work. This particular annoyance has been pioneered on BOC-L by "Pops" Shipley[*], but has been taken up by ever-increasing numbers as Microsoft's perverse notion of "standards" infects a yet wider audience. Certain Microsoft e-mail clients, if not instructed otherwise, will automatically append the text of an e-mail message to the e-mail body in a proprietary "rich" format that only Microsoft e-mail clients understand. This is done to preserve "rich formatting" such as font changes, colours, etc. Alas, this at least doubles the size of the mail message, to no real advantage (particularly on a public list such as this). Worse, in some mail clients (such as Eudora), it results in a steady buildup of junk files in the attachments directory. As far as I know, all the e-mail clients that operate in this unfriendly fashion allow the proprietary attachment feature to be disabled. In MS-Exchange, for example, it can be disabled on a per-recipient basis (so you could switch it off when e-mailing only to BOC-L for example). Many users do not know how to do this, alas, or don't even realise their e-mail clients are adding this extra baggage to their outgoing mail. Oh well, it could be worse; it could be one of those annoying e-mail clients that sends e-mail only as HTML. :-( I hope this clears up the confusion. Cheers, Paul. [*] Hey Craig, I'm only kidding. You know we all love ya. Btw, congratulations on the new addition to the Shipley clan. What are you going to call her? Zarozinia Stacia Shipley has a certain something to it... ;-) obCD: Hawkwind, _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sat May 31 03:21:47 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 00:21:47 -0700 Subject: Annotated Bibliography Message-ID: Okay, it's not Hawkwind but ..... Has anyone out there had to develop an annotated bibliography? I would like to see what on consists of and how in-depth it is. Thanks, John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat May 31 10:47:27 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:47:27 -0400 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: ---------- From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 1997 12:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... On Fri, 30 May 1997, Dave Ellison wrote: > >Attachment Converted: C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\WWW\ATTCHMNT\ReHWOnt1 > > I am a lurking boc-l'er, and have been receiving a number of ReHWxxx > attachments, as above, from you. What are they? They are the pernicious proprietary hand of Microsoft at work. This particular annoyance has been pioneered on BOC-L by "Pops" Shipley[*], but has been taken up by ever-increasing numbers as Microsoft's perverse notion of "standards" infects a yet wider audience. SLANDER!!! My lawyers will be in touch... :-) Have you noticed that my post as of late are a little more BOC-L friendly? I have disabled the MIME function for ALL of my mail. And did I get a word of thanks? Noooooo..... Cheers, Paul. [*] Hey Craig, I'm only kidding. You know we all love ya. Btw, congratulations on the new addition to the Shipley clan. What are you going to call her? Zarozinia Stacia Shipley has a certain something to it... ;-) Yeah, I know; Paul, Mr. Ha-Ha-Hisself.. ;-) Thank for the congrats. We are calling her Anna Elizabeth (my wife's picks) but yours does have a certain charm to it... Should have told me a month ago... obCD: Holle Mangler : Annihilation On Earth (Emusic with its' roots in Death Metal!!!) Craig Shipley obCD: Hawkwind, _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Sat May 31 11:08:05 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:08:05 +0100 Subject: HW:Gig next weekend Message-ID: Hi all, I have been away for a couple of weeks & had the mail set to off. Any new news on the HW gig next weekend? Anyone traveling from the Cambridge area? Mike P. From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 31 12:35:21 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:35:21 +0100 Subject: HW:Gig next weekend In-Reply-To: <01BC6DDC.D3B4B780@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 May 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been away for a couple of weeks & had the mail set to off. Any new news on the HW gig next weekend? > > Anyone travelling from the Cambridge area? I imagine Carl and I will be heading there in company, but we have no arrangements yet, largely because I have my Finals until the day before and am a bit busy right now. He/I will keep you posted, I'm sure. Oh, and Carl: P. W. Edbury (ed.) - Crusade and Settlement. Thankyou in huge huge amounts. I must away now. Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 31 17:42:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:42:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: > Have you noticed that my post as of late are a little more BOC-L friendly? I have disabled > the MIME function for ALL of my mail. And did I get a word of thanks? Noooooo..... > um thanks. i would have thanked you sooner, but since i use MSIE to read my mail, it never posed a problem for me. curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use anything else? this is a real question and not sarcasm. i wonder what other benefits are out there with different browsers/readers. i have used netscape, eudora, and this (MSIE). no differences worth noting, as far as I could tell. Rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat May 31 17:47:05 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:47:05 -0400 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: > As far as I know, all the e-mail clients that operate in this unfriendly > fashion allow the proprietary attachment feature to be disabled. In > MS-Exchange, for example, it can be disabled on a per-recipient basis (so > you could switch it off when e-mailing only to BOC-L for example). Many > users do not know how to do this, alas, or don't even realise their e-mail > clients are adding this extra baggage to their outgoing mail. could someone tell me if my mail comes with the extra file you mention? i haven't seen it on my own posts, but then i probably wouldn't since i sent it. rj Its no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. krishnamarti From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sat May 31 19:07:04 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:07:04 -0400 Subject: Annotated Bibliography Message-ID: On Sat, 31 May 1997 00:21:47 -0700 "john.m.gray" writes: >Okay, it's not Hawkwind but ..... > >Has anyone out there had to develop an annotated bibliography? I >would >like to see what on consists of and how in-depth it is. > >Thanks, >John > Yes...I used one for a paper I wrote on the MC5. As far as depth, mine was about 5 sentences per source. In these sentences I described the source and any relevent info to go along with it.