From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 1 00:13:49 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:13:49 -0500 Subject: BOC references in Challengers of the Unknown #3! Message-ID: In the recent DC comic book, Challengers of the Unknown #3, the Challengers are confronted by a human being who has become a gateway to another dimension. Because of this development, he now spouts lyrics and titles to BOC songs (go figure!). Page 2: "--have to LISTEN, I SAW the TRANSMANIACON! The WORKSHOP OF THE TELESCOPES! SEVEN SCREAMING DIZ-BUSTERS! Don't you understand? BEFORE the KISS, a redcap! A REDCAP!" Page 15-17: "...by SILVERFISH IMPERETRIX, whose uncorrupted eye sees through the charms of DOCTORS and their WIVES! I am become a THRESHOLD for him WHO LURKS in HELLISH GLARE and INFERENCE! THE HARVESTER OF EYES! Writings appear on the WALL. Curtains part and landscapes FALL where DUSTERS DUST becomes the sale and LUCIFER the LIGHT! EXPERIMENTS that FAILED too many times! TRANSFORMATIONS that were TOO HARD TO FIND! TYRANNY and MUTATION!" Apparently either Len Kaminski or Steven Grant is a BOC fan....:-) SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 1 06:17:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:17:16 +0000 Subject: BOC references in Challengers of the Unknown #3! In-Reply-To: <970301001348_851120684@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <970301001348_851120684 at emout13.mail.aol.com>, Steven Tice writes >In the recent DC comic book, Challengers of the Unknown #3, the Challengers >are confronted by a human being who has become a gateway to another >dimension. Because of this development, he now spouts lyrics and titles to >BOC songs (go figure!). it's a great title isn't it? Sells pretty badly though! :( I do about 6 copies, compared to say Preacher at 100 copies. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 1 04:54:56 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 09:54:56 +0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > >> Same ad lists a CD release of ICU's New Anatomy, anyone seen this? > >This is the album with the Sinclair Spectrum program on it, isn't it? If >so, I have a CD copy. It's been out for years in the UK (on that Dave >Anderson label). > I bought in on vinyl when it came out but I had no idea that it was out on CD. I asked this about a year ago but has anyone, evr got the Spectrum Program to run? -- Jon Browne OBCD _ Dukes Of Stratosphere - Chips from the Chocolate Fireball From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Mar 1 09:07:38 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 09:07:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja Debate Revisited Message-ID: Good Morning Class. Once again personal taste in things is laid upon the slab and disected. For those who are a bit squeamish, please feel free to page down at any time during the class. OK, so here we go again on the Club Ninja debate. At this point I wish I had saved all the posts I sent about Club Ninja the last 2 times it took place. It would be easier than trying to type all this out again. Let me start by stating once again for the record: "I don't like every song that BOC ever did because they are my favorite group. BOC is my favorite group because I like every song that they ever did." A quick read may cause some confusion there, please feel free to go back and reread before moving on. Robert Prince said: >Club Ninja without Lanier exacerbated the situation and left a hole in the >fabric of BOC in another area (just listen to those synths!). Although I like Club Ninja, and like Club Ninja very much, this statement cannot be argued. Allen is my #1 BOC guy because he adds so much to the creepy, eerie sound that is BOC at its best. He does it in very subtle ways though, with a piano diddy here and some froogie synth work there. And that is not to mention his guitar additions to the overall sound. He gets overlooked sometimes because he is a background kinda guy, but in my opinion is one of the biggest reasons I like this band so much. And although then CN keywork is NOT Allen, I think the ones on "Madness to the Method" sound pretty cool compared to the rest. Yet on Club Ninja it is BLATANTLY obvious that this is NOT Allen on the keys. The keys on this album sound more like later Rainbow or possibly any other band from THAT whole extended and sometimes dysfunctional family of Rock. Yet does it sound like BOC? Well, I think so. The first exposure to CN I ever had was when I heard "Dancin in the ruins" on the radio. I knew in a heartbeat it was BOC, and I knew it before I heard Buck's voice. I think Club Ninja has just as many highs and lows as any other BOC album, its just that on this album they swing to the extremes more than on others. Adrian Brevard said: >My >first impression of BOC remains amongst my strongest. Feet/Knees and >ST, the second album bought. The rest of the catalog will always pale >to these two and I accept no arguments. I wonder how many other fans >>feel their first BOC album represents the best? Again, personal taste. Adrian puts Secret Treaties as the best of the studio BOC albums. Well, ST is a very good album, no doubt about that. But I still feel that the best of the first "Trilogy" is Tyranny and Mutation. I just love the *crisp* feel of it all. Where Secret Treaties tone reminds me of something dark and murky, Tyranny has sound that comes at you straight from an ice cold stainless steel surgical table under naked light bulbs. Again, its just personal taste vs personal taste. Be Seeing You. ;^) Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Hey politician, can't believe a word you say Almighty media, whose truth d'you sell today? Watchdog of justice, who keeps their eye on you? Con man, song in hand, who you singin' to? The more I get to see, the less I understand I'm just another ordinary man....." ******************************************************************* From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 1 09:29:56 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:29:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Swindells article in Time Out Message-ID: Dear All, just been sent this by my Cambridge HW convert (heh heh), and haven't seen it on BOC-L yet, so I thought I'd post it in case anyone else hasn't, yours, Jazza BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE And from Time Out, we have: (nothing much new here but typed in to show the sort of coverage and to blatantly violate copyright law) Techno... Welcome to the Future Silver surfer H A W K W I N D Spyder's future meets his past in a blast of Hawkwind. Everyone, as Warhol once said, should have their 15 minutes of fame. In my case it was more like 15 months in the late '70s. I was the keyboard player in a highly influential, pioneering, left-field band called Hawkwind. Yes, really. It was a brilliant experience. But I wasn't called Spyder. A strange coincidence led to me writing about 'Welcome To The Future', the band's new Website. My best girlfriend, who used to run their office in the '70s, came to lunch the other day. As I opened the door, I noticed some late post, including, much to our mutual surprise, a letter from the Hawkwind manager, Doug Smith. It transpired that he had been trying to track me down after all these years to let me know that I was due some royalties! Karmic returns, one might say. When I rang, he told me about their site and I felt it was only natural to dip into my past, as it was sending me a much needed financial upturn. Welcome to the future? Let's case the joint. The site is a classic of its genre. Hawk-fans are known for their loyalty and their obsession with the minutiae of literally /anything/ to do with the band (who have now been around for over a quarter of a century). God knows how many musos have passed through the group's cosmic portals in that time. And me? Wanna clue? Just to get the e-mails buzzing, I wrote 'Shot Down In The Night', which they released as a single in 1980 (after I'd left the band) and it went Top 50. Hawkwind News is a well written and cheery run-down of what the band are up to in '97. They're off to the States again, and OzHawks, their newly formed Australian Appreciation Society, is helping to organise a mini-tour Down Under. Then there's all the info on ex-members' projects, bands and solo outings. Hey - wait a minute . . . I'd better get started on that trippy, inner-city, instrumental CD I've been planning to make for years! The 'Live 74' album is currently being mixed; talk about laid back. The album will, we're told, feature rare, original photos, along with never-before-seen artwork from Hawk stalwart Barney Bubbles. I wonder what happened to Liquid Len? The Hawkwind Network is a Pandora's box of Hawk-fan ephemera, with an encyclopaedic collection of listings, including fanzines (there are 11), distributors, labels, merchandise and loads of Hawk-related links. When I was in the band, the delightfully batty Robert Calvert was the lead singer. Sadly, this talented and visionary character is no longer treading the boards - he's in Hawk-heaven - but my favourite title for a linked site is Spirit Of The Page - the one dedicated to his memory. I'm sure he's wafting around on a cloud somewhere wearing a safari suit and a pith helmet and quoting from Camus - in the style of Frankie Howerd, of course. The 'UA/Liberty Re-mastered Series' features the band's first five albums, which are now available on CD. 'The Hall Of The Mountain Grill' is a title and a half, so here's a bit of Spyder trivia: betcha didn't know that The Mountain Grill was a greasy spoon favoured by the band on Portobello Road during the early '70s. The Cyberspace Interviews are a novel and original way for the fans to gain access to their heroes without any of the associated hassles. Guitarist Dave Brock remains the band's head-Hawk. 'Iain' asks him: 'Which newer bands do you think fit well into the Psychedelic "Space Rock" genre which you more or less invented? Can any of them stand the pace?' Dave replies drily: 'Ask me in 25 years.' Mark Painter enquires: 'I know that the musical style has changed from tribal chants to laid-back, modern, swirly synths. Do you think this has reduced the band's popular appeal?' Dave's response is: 'Could be . . . perhaps we should be doing some swirly chants!' The creators of this excellent site, the DC Web Design team, deserve a mention. I wish all music related pages paid as much attention to detail. Oh, and let me dispel one myth: Hawkwind have the reputation of being the ultimate druggy band. Oh really? When I was with them (getting it together in the country - naturally!) they were more interested in the footie on the telly than astral travelling. And the only trips they took were to the supermarket. /Get Hawk-eyed on:/ www.hawkwind.com/ END INCLUDED MESSAGE -THE HAWK SEES ALL From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Mar 1 08:14:12 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 08:14:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Solo stuff, and all that.... In-Reply-To: <3316E6FF.22AF@student.uq.edu.au> from "Max Wilcox" at Mar 1, 97 01:09:03 am Message-ID: Hello-- > (iii) I'm looking for any information about the possibility of ataining > Del Dettmar's solo albums, like "Migration of the Snails". I have this thing. If you like floaty hippy music that you really need to be in an altered state to enjoy, you'd like this. BTW, it's not really a solo album. Dettmar was a member of a Canadian band called Melodic Energy Commission (the name, IMHO, is better than the music). I have no idea whether this was ever released as a CD, but I'd be surprised. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sat Mar 1 11:13:15 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:13:15 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: Jon - I saw a copy in Selectadisc not long ago, for 3.99 or something ridiculous. And I never got the program to run, but then again I never had a Spectrum :) I did have a go on a Nintendo 64 yesterday, and that was pretty awesome! Nearly bought one today... (NOT the start of another computer game thread!) - Andy ObCD: Various artists - _Lost Highway_ OST Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 1 12:12:00 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:12:00 -0500 Subject: BOC references in Challengers of the Unknown #3! Message-ID: It's too bad Challengers isn't selling better. It's quite a good book, but there was no real hook or previous connection to get readers to jump on. Maybe the upcoming crossover will help....I have a very small store (I sell about six copies of Preacher!), so I'm afraid I am at this point down to ordering one copy of Challengers, and that's for myself! Strangely enough, the BOC connection may lead to some of my subscribers who are BOC fans picking the book up, though--I'm going to be reordering #3 for them! I think once they try it they'll stick with it. SET From corwin at ROPNET.RU Sat Mar 1 14:47:48 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:47:48 +0300 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: Hi! Anyone know what was the program on New Anatomy? Corwin From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat Mar 1 15:21:43 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:21:43 -0600 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: At 10:47 PM 3/1/97 +0300, you wrote: >Hi! Anyone know what was the program on New Anatomy? > Corwin > > Track list: 1. Young Girls 2. Convoy 3. Beyond Ther Stars 4. Help Sharks 5. BirdLand 6. Lonesome Train 7. Forbidden Planet 8. Stop The City 9. Doctor Strange 10. WildHunt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Sat Mar 1 15:56:02 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:56:02 -0800 Subject: Re-Helios/Chrome Message-ID: AAAAAAaaa, I have some Helios and Chrome. Helios is kind of heavy to listen too to often for me, but I recomend getting Busting Through the Van Allen Belt because it has Nik Turner ripping his sax on Hyperventlation like you would not want to shake a stick at. I do not think this album fully represents Helios, I would try anythig else but this album: "X-Rated Tales/Catholic Finger" Helioses project called Dark Matter: Seeing Strange Lights is pretty dark ambiant type stuff, real strange lights... Aaaa and Chrome not to be confused with that other ChRoMe, is one of my favorite bands. Nice and strange music that makes me feel good, I definatly recomed them. Gotta go work on that silver machine, BB spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Mar 1 16:02:32 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:02:32 +0100 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: At 14:21 1997-03-01 -0600, you wrote: >At 10:47 PM 3/1/97 +0300, you wrote: >>Hi! Anyone know what was the program on New Anatomy? >> Corwin > >Track list: > >1. Young Girls >2. Convoy >3. Beyond Ther Stars >4. Help Sharks >5. BirdLand >6. Lonesome Train >7. Forbidden Planet >8. Stop The City >9. Doctor Strange >10. WildHunt > >Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy I assume you talk about the skipped track 11 (the needle did not find this track), which is entitled Spectrum Programme (Load It, Don't Hold It) on the album sleeve, but on the label renamed to Hectic Electric 48k Has this gem vanished on the CD? It is credited to Steve Pond, and you also have this cryptical message on the sleeve: Feedback and merchandise from Foel Studio For further information colour your screen in Spectrum as far as I understand this is a small program that display some ICU info. bear in mind this computer programme was created in 1984 or earlier, so don't expect a 64-bits Nintendo experience. Once upon a time I've managed to find a DOS Spectrum emulator, and I have a dream of with brute force push Hectic Electric into my soundblaster and make the emulator show me the forgotten treasure... Might be easier to find a real Spectrum and tape it on a mono recorder... \\joe From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Mar 1 16:43:53 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:43:53 -0500 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970301215936.070f728a@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Johan Edlundh wrote: > I assume you talk about the skipped track 11 (the needle did not find this > track), which is entitled > > Spectrum Programme (Load It, Don't Hold It) > > on the album sleeve, but on the label renamed to > > Hectic Electric 48k > > > Has this gem vanished on the CD? Nope, it is on the CD. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Roxy & Elsewhere_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 1 21:13:13 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:13:13 +1000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: corwin wrote: > > Hi! Anyone know what was the program on New Anatomy? > Corwin I'm -fairly- sure that it has been transcribed somewhere on Steve Pond's ICU page. Actually, I just found it:- http://www.skynet.co.uk:80/doremi/icu/albnew.html That has the program on the site, well, what the program said, anyway... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precicely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Mar 2 09:33:02 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:33:02 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: According to Steve's ICU home page (http://www.skynet.co.uk/doremi/icu/), it was mostly track credits and sleeve notes. - Andy ObCD: Various artists - _Lost Highway_ OST (especially the two Rammstein cuts, and Trent Reznor's "Driver Down" - the Lou Reed and David Bowie cuts aren't too shabby either, nor of course the Badalamenti cuts...) Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Sun Mar 2 16:52:34 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:52:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Calvert/Moorcock demos! Message-ID: hi there, J.E. requested the following tracks: >Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good >girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, >Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. well, apart from the known tracks from the New Worlds Fair and the Tape edition by Cyborg records the other songs must be from the sessions that Moorcock and Pete Pavli did around M.M.'s novels "Gloriana" and "The Entropy Tango". >Calvert-tracks: Greenfly & the rose, Lord of the hornets, Revenge, >Fascism-futurism, Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, >Stranger..., Steppenwolf. Greenfly & Lord was the single released before Calvert's HYPE record. Revenge / Fascism... / Bugatti and Isadora are the four tracks from the REVENGE tape that Calvert did with Pete Pavli - brilliant stuff - completely different from anything else Calvert did before / after. Messengers of Morpheus / Stanger in a Strange Land and Steppenwolf are taken from Adrian Wagners Lp DISTANCES BETWEEN US (I'd be happy if someone could tell me what this "Solstice" track could be...) you can find a lot more infos on these releases and all the lyrics on - yes, you guess.....the CALVERT WEB SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future - go to the list of WORKS pages and the COLLAB-RELATIONS pages to find more infos - on the COLLAB....page you'll also find the address where you can order DISTANCES directly from Adrian Wagner. If you can spare the few bucks you are doing a good thing as a part of the sales go to Nicholas Calvert - Bob's youngest son - its a good album anyway and worthwhile having it on CD. - any more questions? contact me, ok? - or visit the Calvert site hope you enjoy the trip, knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin tel: (*49) *30 - 24749 850 (preliminary) tel: (49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 (from 15/2/97 on) fax: (*49) *30 - 24749 700 (preliminary) fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 (from 15/2/97 on) http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ email: videofest at mediopolis.de From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Sun Mar 2 22:31:29 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:31:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Steve Pond (ICU) and Ami Hassinen on Bob Calvert Message-ID: hi there, after some time of silence - finally some news on the Calvert site: two new entries / texts on Robert Calvert: - Steve Pond, long time member of Inner City Unit and Calvert's Krankschaft / Maximum Effect bands has written about his times with Robert / the working process with him and Nik Turner - very interesting - and amusing - Ami Hassinen, member of the space / dark-ambient band "X-NemesiS" writes about the deep influence of Calvert's and Hawkwind's work on his own music (more infos on "X-NemesiS" will follow soon - highly recommended band) you'll find these entries at the usual place: WORDS / World according on Calvert... - and for all of you who haven't seen the former new items on the Calvert site: two illustrated Calvert poems - incl. soundfiles of Calvert reading them: - The Clone's poem (aka. the 2nd verse of Spirit of the Age) http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/woclone.htm - Vooddoo Child - in memory of Jimi Hendrix http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/voodoo.htm as usual...please load all images when you have a look at these pages. enjoy - and give me some feedback... knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin phone: (*49) *30 - 21 907 fax: (*49) *30 - 24749 700 (preliminary) e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ email: videofest at mediopolis.de From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sun Mar 2 22:57:30 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:57:30 -0500 Subject: speed queens (was re:underground zero) In-Reply-To: <3303DBD0.5B49@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Feb 14, 97 11:28:16 am Message-ID: > > > > Moorcock's daughters were in a band called Speed Queens some years back but > > the last I heard they weren't doing anything musical recently. As far as I > > know, Speed Queens never released anything. > > > There is some info in an issue of HawkFan, which I'll copy for you all over the next few > days. I do know they recorded some stuff with Nik Turner as a guest. > > William if any info was posted i missed it, could you possibly repost it to the list. cheers dave From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Mar 3 03:50:54 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:50:54 -0700 Subject: Bob Calvert Page and other stuff! Message-ID: Hi all!! Good job on the Calvert Page!! J.E. requested the following tracks: >Moorcock-tracks: Starcruiser, Dodgem dude, ...Rosenstrasse 1992, Good >girl bad girl, Time centre, Another quit day in Auschwitz, My new life, >Peter the vulture, intro mental, Harlequin. >Calvert-tracks: Greenfly & the rose, Lord of the hornets, Revenge, >Fascism-futurism, Bugatti, Isadora, Messenger&morpheus, Solstice, >Stranger..., Steppenwolf. Where can I get these? are they all (by any chance at all) on the same tape?? If so, I'd sure be interested in a copy!! I think this was discussed b4-if so-I'm sorry for the inconvenience. I had to re-format my hard drive & lost all that stuff:( Any chance someone might know where to find lyrics for Klause Schulze's "Death of an Analogue"? This thing is driving me crazy! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Jon - I saw a copy in Selectadisc not long ago, for 3.99 or something >ridiculous. MMmmmmm, need it, need it, love New Anantomy. ( "Spaceships, oh you silver needles!" ) > >And I never got the program to run, but then again I never had a Spectrum :) I did and I tried and tried and tried....... > >I did have a go on a Nintendo 64 yesterday, and that was pretty awesome! >Nearly bought one today... (NOT the start of another computer game thread!) erm, I bought one 9.30 Saturday morning, it's fantastic....... > >- Andy > It's my birthday today BTW! -- Jon Browne ObBirthday Present - Yardbirds Box Set-Complete Gomelsky recordings on 4 disc's (plus t-shirt and pin!) From christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Mar 3 08:12:58 1997 From: christmu at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Mumfjord Fnord) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:12:58 +0100 Subject: I'm a ginos if ya want it Message-ID: Hi folks! There's another renegade CD copy of BOC's Imaginos floating about my ramshackle abode looking for a new home and free ride with the postal service - If anyone is interested in a trade for something hawkwindy or other, e-mail me and let me know! Oh, I also have a Gentle Giant comp. CD too if anyone is interested..... Christian (christmu at login.eunet.no) PS! Jon Browne - something will be in the mail soon! From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 3 08:11:45 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:11:45 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: >It's my birthday today BTW! Ok, quick chorus of _joyeuse anniversaire_... not sure if I'm going to be anywhere near Selectadisc till Thursday or so, but if they've still got it at 3.99 I'll pick it up for you, OK? [I'm in the midst of a project for Nintendo's ad agency (though for another client), and so they've had an N64 in their reception area since last week - and since the person I was meeting was late back from lunch (this is an agency after all) I spent about half an hour on Mario 64. Mamma mia!] - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 3 09:43:31 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:43:31 -0600 Subject: BOC & Challengers of the Unknown -Club Ninja Debate is good./ EW Advance Copy Message-ID: Steve Tice>"In the recent DC comic book, Challengers of the Unknown #3, the Challengers are confronted by a human being who has become a gateway to another dimension. Because of this development, he now spouts lyrics and titles to BOC songs (go figure!)." Geez everybody's making a comeback in comics these days. Would this character be Access? He was created when DC and Marvel teamed up to rip us off with the merging of the two universes. I do recall the Challengers though..."We're living on borrowed time..." In any event looks like I'll have to find this one. On CN - Love it or hate it most of us have it or want it. Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. In the overall scheme of things its not better or worse than any other BOC album. Hey the old debate even got Torgo to post. I would disagree with his assertion that T&M is better than ST, but I'd disagree with anybody who said that, personal preference. Maybe a real focused poll to determine the numero uno choice of BOC fans here, just name your one fave album period. SECRET TREATIES! Finally from some strange rock music discussion list that a bud forwarded to moi.: "The new BLUE OYSTER CULT album, "Ezekiel's Wheel," will be delayed until June '97 in order for the band to hook up a US distribution deal. The "Club Ninja" album listed in the new releases last week was a reissue. Sorry about that." "And slightly off topic - QUEENSRYCHE's "Here in the Now Frontier" is also due in March. Speaking of the Queensryche album, here's a clip from Tim Wadzinski's "Detritus" column from this week's issue of "SFK": "Potential bad news about Queensryche... A guy on the Dream Theater "ytsejam" mailing list claims to have an advance copy of the new 'ryche opus, "Here in the Now Frontier," and he says it's even worse than "Promised Land." (I am not a fan of that album.) The quote: "All the songs sound the same and there isn't even a touch of metal throughout the whole thing." Let's hope this is wrong!" I also hope this is wrong because "Promised Land" was a bad album. Queensryche can do much better." {Note: I have heard differently through the grapevine. New one supposedly sounds more like Rage for Order and Operation Mindcrime.} I bring this up becuase I've seen stuff like this before. A guy on the King's X list got a hold of an advance copy of Ear Candy and said it stunk. Course when the album debuted it turned out to be great. Hopefully if anyone gets an advance copy of EW they will be kind enough to hold opinions until the rest of us have a chance to get a copy and form our own. Anybody interested in the Open Up and Say Group see below - OPEN UP AND SAY... Discussions About Music That Matters Issue Twenty-Eight: February 17, 1997 http://comp.uark.edu/~tcraven/openup.html to subscribe or submit, send mail to: Todd Craven (tcraven at comp.uark.edu) (please mention if you want the issue sent in one or two parts) send poll/contest answers to: Wes Royer (wroyer at osf1.gmu.edu) L8er lil ab In the player Operation Mindcrime - Queensryche Imaginos - BOC Gretchen Goes to Nebraska - King's X Tale of Mystery and Imagination - Alan Parsons Project Awake - Dream Theater From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 3 10:34:33 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:34:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: CLONE Message-ID: >On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > >> This is the crux of the issue. It's what Stonehenge was about. They >>have to be in control of everything all the time, whether control is >>needed or not. Furthermore, they have to be seen to be in control, >>this being the most important aspect *of* control. But they're not. >> > >Yes, it is the same exact reason it is illegal to put chemicals into >your brain. > >-- >William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu "They" (as good a term as any) fear anything they can't control & influence - it's not just Stonehenge/travellers/chemicals - look at the way the net is being demonised, or way back when, the Oz obscenity trial. Once upon a time only governments & multinationals had the sort of easy worldwide communications that are now readily & cheaply available to anyone. "They" just want us vegging out in front of the TV, or buying the stuff in the ads - God forbid that we should actually have ideas & exchange them. Just another rant from... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 3 11:34:54 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:34:54 UT Subject: BOC & Challengers of the Unknown -Club Ninja Debate is good./ EW Advance Copy Message-ID: > Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. Jeez, how long do you want for history to make its judgement? :) Surely, in hindsight _CN_ is *still* a patchy AOR album, whereas the early albums are seminal metal classics. You'll have noticed that the quotes in _Challengers..._ were all from the first three. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 3 11:53:11 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:53:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: <199703031534.HAA20114@f8.hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Chris Warburton wrote: > "They" (as good a term as any) fear anything they can't control & influence - > it's not just Stonehenge/travellers/chemicals - look at the way the net is > being demonised, or way back when, the Oz obscenity trial. Once upon a time > only governments & multinationals had the sort of easy worldwide communications > that are now readily & cheaply available to anyone. "They" just want us > vegging out in front of the TV, or buying the stuff in the ads - God forbid > that we should actually have ideas & exchange them. This cracks me up. You speak of "They" (often called THEY and THEM) as if they are some foreign race of space aliens, and not living, breathing human beings like the rest of us. There are people on this list who work for huge multinationals and governments. Are they "They?" Are these people fearing the Internet, BOC-L, et al? Should I loathe and demonise them as you have done above? When someone can give me a good, objective definition of the nefarious cabal known as THEM (THEY, "They" etc.), I will start to take "Their" elaborate, meticulously-crafted Machiavellian plans for global enslavement of the masses a tad more seriously. (Tell me how I can recognise one of THEM.) Until then, I shall consider them individuals, with human goals and motives---both good and ill---and some in greater positions of power than others. I agree with Robert Anton Wilson when he says that anyone admitting the existance of THEM has relinquished responsibility for their own life; one can blame ones successes and failures on THEM, much in the same way someone of a religious bent can attribute their daily travails to the guiding hand of some unseen, omnipotent god. But then again, I must be one of THEM to utter such heresy. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 3 12:00:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:00:09 GMT Subject: OFF: Civ I vs. Civ II In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Just out off interest, When playing Civ-II, do you find your map > littered with places like Brocktown, Levitation, Motorhead, Turnerville, > the leafy hamlet of PXR 5 etc? > > Is the advisory "Civil unrest in Brainstorm. Mayor flees" familiar to > you? and just how many Elvis' do the citizens of Palace Springs need, > ferchrisakes!? I was thinking of replacing the Elvii with a gif of (obOnTopic) Dave Brock with guitar and labcoat. However, I'm crap at anything related to art so if anyone fancies a quick doodle I'd be most interested in the result. I have instructions relating to 89a non-interlaced gifs if that means anything to anyone? > Jon Browne FoFP From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Mar 3 12:21:06 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:21:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: sprockets Message-ID: Hah. Listed in the "pre-orders" list of http://www.spockets.com/ BLUE OYSTER CULT...EZECHIEL'S WHEEL......GERMAN......27.99 Suuuure. They do have _The Thing_ for $50 though. (And I assume the $30 Hawkwind _Speed of Light_ thing is actually the _Kings of Speed Lords of Light_ bootleg, which you could buy from me for $15.) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Mar 3 12:31:33 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:31:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: THEM Message-ID: > When someone can give me a good, objective definition of the nefarious > cabal known as THEM (THEY, "They" etc.), This is addressed in a Heinlein story of the same name, in the _Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag_ collection. :-) From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 3 12:33:57 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:33:57 -0800 Subject: Off: JB B-Day Message-ID: Well Happy Birthday to you > > >It's my birthday today BTW! >-- >Jon Browne >ObBirthday Present - Yardbirds Box Set-Complete Gomelsky recordings >on 4 disc's (plus t-shirt and pin!) and I wish I got presents like that - details please, I hadn't heard about that reissue ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 3 12:49:49 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:49:49 -0800 Subject: OFF: THEM Message-ID: >This cracks me up. You speak of "They" (often called THEY and THEM) --snip-- >But then again, I must be one of THEM to utter such heresy. Paul, I didn't actually intend to come over quite so melodramatically with all of that stuff, I'm not a demented conspiracy theorist and as a systems programmer working with large corporate databases, I too am in the middle of the business world, but the actions of many governments and multi-nationals are aimed at maintaining the status quo that gives them their power base. It's also possible to make a fairly strong case (I've seen it done by someone a lot smarter than me) for the rise in all forms of electronic communication being a significant factor in the collapse of the former Soviet bloc. Also, some of the current public order laws in Britain are tantamount to "2's a conspiracy, 3's a riot". Sorry to rant on like this, but I'm sure that a lot of British Hawkwind fans would back me up on that statement. Cheers, ChrisW obCDs: Bill Laswell - Oscillations / Derek Bailey - guitar, drums & bass ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 3 12:20:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:20:03 EDT Subject: BOC & Challengers of the Unknown -Club Ninja Debate is Message-ID: >> From: Andrew Gilham > > Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. > > Jeez, how long do you want for history to make its judgement? :) > > Surely, in hindsight _CN_ is *still* a patchy AOR album, whereas the early > albums are seminal metal classics. > > You'll have noticed that the quotes in _Challengers..._ were all from the > first three. > > - Andy > My take on CN is that it would have been an impressive album by any band other than BOC, whose own lofty achievements in the past have rendered it one of their worst albums. The outside songs are, for the most part, lame, and the absence of Allen and Al makes the record sound like another band alltogether. Granted, any album with BD's gtr playing all over it can't be all bad, and he and EB contribute plenty of good vocals as well. If Al had still been around, I wonder if tunes like 'Make Rock...' and 'Beat 'em Up' would have been included. Not to say that Al's taste is perfect, but even his odd songs have a certain quality that makes them acceptable: a tongue in cheek humor that isn't the case in the two aforementioned songs. Notice how immediately after Al's departure, the appearance of songs like that and 'Let Go' on tRBN begins to happen. Probably meant to be jokes, but they aren't all that funny,,, theo From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon Mar 3 15:41:56 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:41:56 -0900 Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Paul Mather wrote: > When someone can give me a good, objective definition of the nefarious > cabal known as THEM (THEY, "They" etc.), I will start to take "Their" > elaborate, meticulously-crafted Machiavellian plans for global enslavement > of the masses a tad more seriously. Ok, here is just one small example: The Australian Post Office. I personally have had material that I wrote and illustrated seized by Australian customs agents and destroyed because it was deemed "offensive to Australians" and therefore illegal for them to see. Is that specific enough for you?? I didn't get the exact names of the agents... -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Mar 3 17:27:19 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:27:19 +1000 Subject: Theta Orionis boot In-Reply-To: <9701248568.AA856839429@hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Greetings Chuck, I got the CD from you in the mail yesterday. I rang the guy with the boot, and I've arranged to pick up your copy this weekend, so should be posting it on Monday. Yours in Space, Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Mar 3 17:28:01 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:28:01 +1000 Subject: Woops (Re: Theta Orionis boot) Message-ID: Sorry guys .... clicked the wrong address ;^) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 3 16:48:08 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:48:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, William Fuller wrote: > Ok, here is just one small example: The Australian Post Office. > I personally have had material that I wrote and illustrated seized by > Australian customs agents and destroyed because it was deemed "offensive > to Australians" and therefore illegal for them to see. Is that specific > enough for you?? I didn't get the exact names of the agents... No, I'm afraid it's not very specific. Are you saying that *everyone* in the Australian Post Office is one of THEM? If not, how do I tell THEM apart from those that are not THEM? Do THEY wear special armbands or something? Cheers, Paul. obCDEP: Sundial, ??? (some 1993[?] 4-track CD EP I picked up for $1 today) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 3 17:09:33 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:09:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence Message-ID: This lunchtime I happened to be in my local record emporium and I stumbled across a copy of _Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence_ on *CD*. Yes, folks, it appears that this covers compilation has *finally* surfaced on CD. The running time is a little over 76 minutes and the tracks included are as follows: Slotnick, "Death Trap" Monoshock, "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)" The Petals, "Hurry On Sundown" Puff Tube, "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" Gorilla, "Flying Doctor" Space Dust, "Orgone Accumulator" Voco Kesh, "We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago" Liquorball, "You Shouldn't Do That" Temple of Bon Matin, "Born To Go" F/i, "Robot" Fuzzface, "Urban Guerilla" Brainbombs, "Time You Left (This World Today)" The Mike Gunn, "Master of the Universe" Fly Ashtray, "Spirit of the Age" ST37, "The Watcher" Listening to it right now, I can say the sound quality is good, the track selections interesting, and that, from memory, there appears to be little or no overlap with the BOC-L NetHawks _Hawkwind Covers All_ 4 cassette covers compilation. The production values are good, the liner notes include personnel and recording notes, and BOC-L even gets a mention in the "THANKS" section. If you're reading, Doug Pearson, please let me congratulate you on a job well done! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Various, _Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Mar 3 12:23:13 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:23:13 -0000 Subject: THEM Message-ID: i dunno. the ""they"" that chris wrote had "quotes" around it, and was not CAPITALIZED. i think its fair to assume that it was tossed with a nudge and wink. but there are "people pushing buttons" (note quotes and lack of caps) behind "the people pushing the buttons". and tho i realize they are most likely humans, they are still third plural, and definitely qualify for 'they' status. = ) i believe in the "they" theory myself, as i think the "government" is far too advanced to ignore fantastic tools like psychology, and propaganda. yes, i believe in "they", but i am in complete control of my life. right up to the time i decide to "do not or do", what "they" "do or do not" want me to. at which time "they" will most likely take complete control of my life. so just change all those "theys" to "individuals with human goals and motives----both good and ill---- and some in greater positions of power than others...... nah, takes too long to type, let's stick with "they"!!!! = ) and before ya get pissed, paul, please know that i'm just making a joke..... rj > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Chris Warburton wrote: > > > "They" (as good a term as any) fear anything they can't control & influence - > > it's not just Stonehenge/travellers/chemicals - look at the way the net is > > being demonised, or way back when, the Oz obscenity trial. Once upon a time > > only governments & multinationals had the sort of easy worldwide communications > > that are now readily & cheaply available to anyone. "They" just want us > > vegging out in front of the TV, or buying the stuff in the ads - God forbid > > that we should actually have ideas & exchange them. > > This cracks me up. You speak of "They" (often called THEY and THEM) as if > they are some foreign race of space aliens, and not living, breathing > human beings like the rest of us. There are people on this list who work > for huge multinationals and governments. Are they "They?" Are these > people fearing the Internet, BOC-L, et al? Should I loathe and demonise > them as you have done above? > > When someone can give me a good, objective definition of the nefarious > cabal known as THEM (THEY, "They" etc.), I will start to take "Their" > elaborate, meticulously-crafted Machiavellian plans for global enslavement > of the masses a tad more seriously. (Tell me how I can recognise one of > THEM.) Until then, I shall consider them individuals, with human goals > and motives---both good and ill---and some in greater positions of power > than others. > > I agree with Robert Anton Wilson when he says that anyone admitting the > existance of THEM has relinquished responsibility for their own life; one > can blame ones successes and failures on THEM, much in the same way > someone of a religious bent can attribute their daily travails to the > guiding hand of some unseen, omnipotent god. > > But then again, I must be one of THEM to utter such heresy. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Mar 3 19:11:44 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:11:44 E Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence Message-ID: Where in the US or UK mail order can one get a copy of Assasins of Silence/100 watt violence? bryan From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Mon Mar 3 20:30:37 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:30:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Mar 3, 97 11:53:11 am Message-ID: Paul says-- > This cracks me up. You speak of "They" (often called THEY and THEM) as if > they are some foreign race of space aliens, and not living, breathing > human beings like the rest of us. There are people on this list who work > for huge multinationals and governments. Are they "They?" Are these > people fearing the Internet, BOC-L, et al? Should I loathe and demonise > them as you have done above? The fun thing about THEM paranoia is you never know who is one of THEM. Now what THEY have to do with THEM is anyone's guess, since THEY are an entirely separate organization (with the Illuminati pulling the strings of both, of course) 8-0 ;-) :-) :-D (where's Dr. Bob when you need him?) > I agree with Robert Anton Wilson when he says that anyone admitting the > existance of THEM has relinquished responsibility for their own life; one > can blame ones successes and failures on THEM, much in the same way > someone of a religious bent can attribute their daily travails to the > guiding hand of some unseen, omnipotent god. I also like Umberto Eco's treatment of the subject. > But then again, I must be one of THEM to utter such heresy. No, you're one of US (a REALLY different group), and we are all Steve Swann (remember?). Guido obKICKassCD--B'boom by King Crimson -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Mar 3 21:52:46 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:52:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence Message-ID: I forgot to include the label and catalogue number info about this release in my last message. Here it is: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence (CERES01-2) Ceres Records 663 10th Street Oakland, CA 94607 I bought my copy at my local record shop (The Record Exchange, Blacksburg, VA); it was their only copy. It cost $11.95 (i.e. not bootleg priced). I don't know if any mail order outfits are carrying this, but probably there are (time to hit the online catalogues, folks). I presume the same outlets that carried the original 2LP release will carry the CD. Btw, what extra stuff is there on the vinyl version compared to the CD? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _25.....Tab_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 4 00:01:49 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:01:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Solo Benefit Gig Message-ID: attention: as posted to the BOC Online BB and AOL folders.... -------------------------------------------------------- Buck Dharma will be doing a Benefit Concert on 4/11/97 at the state-of-the-art 700 seat Gwinnett Performing Arts Center in Duluth, Georgia. As the first show sells out, another show will be added on 4/12/97. Also A Fund Raising Dinner will be held on 4/10/97 with the location to be announced. Buck has also graciously agreed to appear on TV and Radio Public Service spots for the Cause. The Profits will benefit The Ricky Browning Fund, (A Child with an inoperable Brain Tumor, who thinkd that Godzilla is fighting the Tumor in his head), and Hospice Atlanta/Children's Hospice Division. All are welcome to attend all of the functions from out Internet family. Info can be obtained by emailing me at Agent OF at aol.com or writing to: Zilla Fund P.O. Box 465081 Lawrenceville, GA 30246 Donations accepted and will be acknowledged at the show in a program. $250 Sponsorship level includes 2 tickets in the first four rows. $500 Sponsorship level includes 2 tickets and the Dinner where you wil be able to meet Buck Dharma Regular ticket prices and availability will be announced and will be sold through Ticketmaster. chuck ------------------------------------------------------ this is a good cause people, let's try to support it any way possible! Ted Alger talger at pipeline.com ted262 at aol.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Mar 4 00:49:26 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:49:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence Message-ID: At 17:09 1997-03-03 -0500, you wrote: >This lunchtime I happened to be in my local record emporium and I stumbled >across a copy of _Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence_ on *CD*. >Yes, folks, it appears that this covers compilation has *finally* surfaced >on CD. The running time is a little over 76 minutes and the tracks >included are as follows: > > Slotnick, "Death Trap" > Monoshock, "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)" > The Petals, "Hurry On Sundown" > Puff Tube, "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" > Gorilla, "Flying Doctor" > Space Dust, "Orgone Accumulator" > Voco Kesh, "We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago" > Liquorball, "You Shouldn't Do That" > Temple of Bon Matin, "Born To Go" > F/i, "Robot" > Fuzzface, "Urban Guerilla" > Brainbombs, "Time You Left (This World Today)" > The Mike Gunn, "Master of the Universe" > Fly Ashtray, "Spirit of the Age" > ST37, "The Watcher" Earth Calling (Temple of Bon Matin) Ejection (New Bomb Turks) Hassan I Sahba (Tibetan Bowlers) The Demented Man (Catharsis) Lord Of Light (Green Machine) Magnu (Lithium X-Mas) Motorhead (The Humpers) Forge of Vulcan (Sabalon Glitz) Sonic Attack (The Mike Gunn) Silver Machine (Cardinal Sin) is on the vinyl. I miss Tibetan Bowlers "Sonic Attack" version of Hassan. running order has gone through a huge rearrangement. I guess the ltd edition of 300 vinyl copies is sold out now. >Listening to it right now, I can say the sound quality is good, the track >selections interesting, and that, from memory, there appears to be little >or no overlap with the BOC-L NetHawks _Hawkwind Covers All_ 4 cassette >covers compilation. The production values are good, the liner notes >include personnel and recording notes, and BOC-L even gets a mention in >the "THANKS" section. Doug's project was running parallell with the BOC-l project, and those tracks he contributed to the BOC-l tapes was the outtakes from his own project. Only overlap was the three tracks that was previous released - ST37, F/i and Lithium X-mas. (only recalled from memory) >If you're reading, Doug Pearson, please let me congratulate you on a job >well done! > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Various, _Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence_ \\joe obLP: Various, _Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 4 04:24:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:24:59 +0000 Subject: BOC & Challengers of the Unknown -Club Ninja Debate is In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Mar 3, 97 01:20:03 pm Message-ID: > My take on CN is that it would have been an impressive album by any > band other than BOC, whose own lofty achievements in the past have > rendered it one of their worst albums. This I cannot entirely agree with. IMO, _CN_ would be a crap album from most any band I listen to. Perhaps it would be a great album for a really crap band :) Buck's guitar is great as usual, but that doesn't excuse the rest of it for me. Mind you, I'm not singling out BOC for abuse--I think HW's _IITBOTFTBD_ album was crap too. I thought Motorhead's _March or Die_ was awful. I find little to like in Tull's _Under Wraps_. Fairport's _Gottle O' Geer_ can have humour value with sufficiently gritted teeth--I didn't like their _Rising for the Moon_ album either. The Allman Bros. committed a variety of musical travesties towards the tail end of the 70s and early 80s. I think most bands that have released a lot of albums and gone through various line-up changes will turn out a few really dire albums. BOC was just "paying their dues" with CN ;) :) > If Al had still been around, I wonder > if tunes like 'Make Rock...' and 'Beat 'em Up' would have been > included. Not to say that Al's taste is perfect, but even his odd > songs have a certain quality that makes them acceptable: a tongue in > cheek humor that isn't the case in the two aforementioned songs. Possibly. There are often a few songs on even Al-era BOC albums that I can't abide :) No doubt Al was a great force in the band, and BOC has suffered severely without him, but I won't quite rank him as infalible :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 4 06:50:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:50:31 GMT Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:49:49 -0800 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Paul, I didn't actually intend to come over quite so melodramatically > with all of that stuff, I'm not a demented conspiracy theorist and as > a systems programmer working with large corporate databases, I too am > in the middle of the business world, but the actions of many > governments and multi-nationals are aimed at maintaining the status > quo that gives them their power base. It's also possible to make a > fairly strong case (I've seen it done by someone a lot smarter than > me) for the rise in all forms of electronic communication being a > significant factor in the collapse of the former Soviet bloc. True to a small extent. The rise of the photocopier was a more significant factor but in essence it was information which helped bring down the SU. When people realised that the West wasn't as depicted in "Oliver" then some difficult questions were raised. I do remember Reagan and Thatcher crowing about the "Photocopier Effect" and thinking "Just wait, just you wait" because sooner or later the Net will do the same damage to State Democracy. Prof Ian Angells at the London School of Economics has pointed out that tax rates on the rich have fallen globally by 15% in the last decade due to the fact that it's easy to move jurisdiction and use the Net to get work done. He expects that digital encryption and the advent of anonymous digital banking will further reduce the ability of the State to levy tax on the richer segment of the population and that the poorest segment has its own way of avoiding paying tax. Without the ability to enforce taxation, State power is dramatically reduced. *That* IMHO is the reason that the Net is being demonised as a haven of pornography - it's the opening shots of the revolution. They'll try to control it, but it's King Canute and the Radio Waves. Inthe end, tax will be levied on tangible stuff like cars and houses which can't easily be hidden and movement between jurisdictions (the UK just started an "Airport Tax" last year). > Also, > some of the current public order laws in Britain are tantamount to > "2's a conspiracy, 3's a riot". Sorry to rant on like this, but I'm > sure that a lot of British Hawkwind fans would back me up on that > statement. Similarly the tightening of the gun laws aids in State projection of power - William Rees Mogg ahs written some very interesting stuff on how the ability of a State to get it's own way depends a lot on the balance of power in personal weapons technology. Small alterations in that balance of power have led to the collapse of empires due to the inability of States to project power at the periphery (American Revolution and the decline of the British and Roman empires for example) and even the complete replacement of political systems (feudalism collapsed because people could protect themselves rather than offer fealty to a Lord in exchenge for same - and initially crossbows were banned in the UK in order to support the Feudal system because crossbow bolts could penetrate the armour of tax collecting knights). Just how much the adage "Information is power" is true will be shown in how much it affects the current system of centralised State power and the whole edifice of representative (rather than participatory) democracy. Technology *could* swing the pendulum towards more individualist rather than state power and towards participatory rather than majoritarianist democracy. However the growth of surveilance technology and the capability to use the same technology to monitor movement of people and cars, spending patterns, interests, and communications could produce powerful weapons for those who wish to defend centralised power. ObOntopic: Choose the side that you'll be on. Interestingly, from the things that Brock is interested in, I suspect he has some kind of anarcho-syndacilist political views. FoFP "The number of your car's fed into a box". From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 4 07:59:22 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 20:59:22 +0800 Subject: speed queens (was re:underground zero) Message-ID: dave cohen wrote: > > > > > > > Moorcock's daughters were in a band called Speed Queens some years back but > > > the last I heard they weren't doing anything musical recently. As far as I > > > know, Speed Queens never released anything. > > > > > There is some info in an issue of HawkFan, which I'll copy for you all over the next few > > days. I do know they recorded some stuff with Nik Turner as a guest. > > > > William > > if any info was posted i missed it, could you possibly > repost it to the list. > I haven't put it on yet. I had my PC away for an upgrade, and the prats went and erased my Program File directory (which had ALL my Bookmarks, email letters, etc..). As soon as I fix it all, I'll get scanning. William PS From now on, I'm doing my own upgrading, that way if anything goes wrong, I know who to blame!! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 4 08:27:07 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:27:07 -0500 Subject: BOC & Challengers of the Unknown -Club Ninja Debate is Message-ID: > Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. No, I doubt it. As it is, I'm not sure BOC, historically, will be even looked upon so favorably. What I mean is this: in the mid-70's BOC was huge - they were in the rock magazines constantly, Buck Dharma was always in the top-10 in the guitarist polls, and their laser show was, at the time, state of the art and one of the coolest concert experiences around. Or, so I am told - the only band I followed in the mid to late 70s was KISS (I was a young teenager with little scope in musical taste - although I still think KISS is a lot of fun), and had no knowlege of BOC until around 1979, about the time I started listening to other bands. BUT - when I read publications today on the history of rock, BOC is hardly, if ever, mentioned. History may have already forgotten this band. Sad. >If Al had still been around, I wonder if tunes like 'Make Rock...' and 'Beat 'em Up' would have been included. Not to say that Al's taste is perfect, but even his odd songs have a certain quality that makes them acceptable: a tongue in cheek humor that isn't the case in the two aforementioned songs. Notice how immediately after Al's departure, the appearance of songs like that and 'Let Go' on tRBN begins to happen. Probably meant to be jokes, but they aren't all that funny Hmm... well, "Debbie Denise" and "You're Not the One" were some of Al's less memorable moments, the latter was specifically a joke aimed at *Mirrors* producer Tom Werman. On the other hand, some of Al's humour in the work of The Brain Surgeons is excellent - "the devil got your mother, he did not use a rubber" (o.k., David Roter wrote the lyrics...) Some have mentioned Allen's absense on keys as being significant to the problems of Club Ninja -- I don't think so. Zvoncheck is a fine keyboard player, perhaps technically even better than Allen (sorry for the heresey). The problem I have with the keys on CN is that there's too much of them. The use of Allen's keyboards has always been more subtle, with the emphasis being still on the guitars (not to say that the keys weren't important-they just weren't in your face). CN, in it's attempts to be more pop-oriented, has too much keyboard-laden stuff, among it's other problems. As Bloom said, they stepped on their dicks... Interesting that we complain about "stupid" songs on CN like "Rock Not War" and "Beat 'em Up", yet many of us want BOC to release a song like "Wings of Mercury". The song kicks, but lyrically, it's probably as stupid as some of these others. Hey, I like the song, but I also like "Beat 'em Up" at some level too. But - if you're going to say that this song sucks for it's stupid lyrics, well, then I think had "Wings of Mercury" made it to the album, many of us would have been as unkind to it as we are to "Beat 'em Up". John From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 4 09:24:27 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:24:27 -0700 Subject: HW- Assassins of Silenc Message-ID: so, like, who are these bands? Can't say I've heard of any of them. I am only maybe 2 miles from that address given, have to call'em up. DAne From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 4 10:56:32 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:56:32 -0600 Subject: BOC History starts.... Message-ID: > Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. Andy>Jeez, how long do you want for history to make its judgement? :) I dunno, 10 years after they stop playing. At this rate 2030 perhaps. 8^) Paul says-- > This cracks me up. You speak of "They" (often called THEY and THEM) as >if they are some foreign race of space aliens, and not living, breathing > human beings like the rest of us. There are people on this list who work > for huge multinationals and governments. Are they "They?" Are these > people fearing the Internet, BOC-L, et al? Should I loathe and demonise > them as you have done above? Guido> The fun thing about THEM paranoia is you never know who is one of THEM.Now what THEY have to do with THEM is anyone's guess, since THEY are an entirely separate organization (with the Illuminati pulling the strings of both, of course) 8-0 ;-) :-) :-D (where's Dr. Bob when you need him?) Uh I think Dr. Bob is practicing in Delaware these days. 8^). >Buck Dharma will be doing a Benefit Concert on 4/11/97 at the state-of-the->art 700 seat Gwinnett Performing Arts Center in Duluth, Georgia. Marvelous guy that Buck. Anybody else of note going to be playing that night? Couldn't make it but no problem sending a donation of some amount. L8er lil ab "People always turn away from the eyes of a stranger, afraid to know what lies behind my stare." From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Tue Mar 4 12:00:55 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:00:55 -0600 Subject: THEM Message-ID: I would believe the THEM or THEY being referred to are the people in the Department of Motor Vehicles. Every damn person there! Alton Broussard From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Mar 4 12:47:17 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:47:17 +0100 Subject: HW- Assassins of Silenc Message-ID: At 07:24 1997-03-04 -0700, you wrote: >so, like, who are these bands? Can't say I've heard of any of them. I am only maybe 2 miles from that address given, have to call'em up. CERES Records is a one man company run by former BOC-l member Doug Pearson - please do call him and ask if there's any vinyl left, and which date the CD was released. Say hello from the swedish dude that bought four vinyl copies. >DAne \\joe From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 13:09:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:09:33 +0000 Subject: Off: Yardbirds Box In-Reply-To: <199703031733.JAA29935@f21.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <199703031733.JAA29935 at f21.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >>ObBirthday Present - Yardbirds Box Set-Complete Gomelsky recordings >on 4 >disc's (plus t-shirt and pin!) > >and I wish I got presents like that - details please, I hadn't heard about that >reissue No, I hadn't until I saw it in Our Price - hadda have it! It's basically the digitally remastered works complete with alternate takes, previously unavailable tracks etc. It's as complete as your gonna get and it includes everything produced by Giorgio Gomelsky. Most importantly it was a bargain at 25 UKP. Beautiful clear recordings, I played all 4 discs back-to-back first thing this morning. Very unusual for my limited attention span! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 4 04:34:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:34:43 +0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>It's my birthday today BTW! > >Ok, quick chorus of _joyeuse anniversaire_... not sure if I'm going to be >anywhere near Selectadisc till Thursday or so, but if they've still got it at >3.99 I'll pick it up for you, OK? Yes, Please! > >[I'm in the midst of a project for Nintendo's ad agency (though for another >client), and so they've had an N64 in their reception area since last week - >and since the person I was meeting was late back from lunch (this is an agency >after all) I spent about half an hour on Mario 64. Mamma mia!] Murder, isn't it? :) -- Jon Browne ObCD - The Seeds Live - Disc 3 of "Flower Punk" From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Mar 4 12:43:10 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:43:10 -0700 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >>I'm sorry but I must disagree, 'Club Ninja' is the second best >>BOC album, behind 'Imaginos' IMHO...Look at the lyrics of >>'White Flags', 'Beat-em-Up' >Now look what you've done! I've got mountain dew all over my >monitor. Spilling "Dew" is sacrilege. However, I guess I understand. :) I looked at the lyrics to Beat 'em up. "Some people have a bad attitude, and I say if they wanna play rough- Beat 'em up!" Now that's lyric writing. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us Damn, now I have Dr. Pepper leaking out of my mouth.... From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Tue Mar 4 14:39:58 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:39:58 E Subject: BOC show in PA Message-ID: Hi, I figured some of you might be interested: Local radio station ROCK 107 is having it's 17th birthday bash featuring Blue Oyster Cult (plus special guests) Thursday, March 27 in the GRAND BALLROOM at the Woodlands Inn and Resort Rt. 315 Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania...only $7 cover... Doors open @ 8pm 21 to enter w/ ID cheers bryan From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 4 16:06:51 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: Off: Yardbirds Box Message-ID: << No, I hadn't until I saw it in Our Price - hadda have it! It's basically the digitally remastered works complete with alternate takes, previously unavailable tracks etc. It's as complete as your gonna get and it includes everything produced by Giorgio Gomelsky. Most importantly it was a bargain at 25 UKP. Beautiful clear recordings, I played all 4 discs back-to-back first thing this morning. Very unusual for my limited attention span! >> This sounds like the box I picked up 3 or 4 years ago. "The Complete Giorgio Gomelsky Recordings" I believe is the name. GREAT box!! R. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Mar 4 16:49:18 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:49:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence Message-ID: At 21:52 1997-03-03 -0500, you wrote: >I forgot to include the label and catalogue number info about this release >in my last message. Here it is: > > Assassins of Silence / Hundred-Watt Violence (CERES01-2) > Ceres Records > 663 10th Street > Oakland, CA 94607 Doug's e-mail addresse was ceres at sirius.com, but I don't know if he's still online \\joe From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Mar 5 10:14:35 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:14:35 EST Subject: BOC & dont fear the reaper In-Reply-To: ; from "Jon Browne" at Mar 4, 97 09:34:43 am Message-ID: Hi,this might be old news but I thought i'd send it anyway. The other day a local Australian radio show played "dont fear the reaper" by a New Zealand band called the mutton birds. Apparently it is in the top 40,and sounded ok to me. regards Marty From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 4 21:02:17 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:02:17 +1000 Subject: OFF: Hamburg Festival Message-ID: Hi All, Just heard on the grapevine that there is a festival planned in Hamburg on June 14 which will/may feature Nik Turner, The Moor, darXtar, The Rakes and possibly Bedouin (Alan Davey's new band) I thought the euro BOC-L'ers would want to know. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Mar 5 01:53:18 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:53:18 -0500 Subject: Club Ninja Debate Message-ID: I knew I was in trouble with CN before getting the shrink-wrap off--that ugly, ludicrous cover and lettering--and then I saw the band credits--and then I was confronted by an opening track that sounded like a Billy Idol knockoff, wherein Bloom finally got to sing about his dick like the rest of the rock stars. There was also a knockoff of "Burnin? For You" (also missing a "g", for that subliminal connection); Howard Stern on a song with lyrics that were possibly the most embarrassing tripe Pearlman ever made public; that noted intellectual Eric Van Lustbader, whose knowledge of and sensitivity to all things Japanese make me certain that he watched "Shogun" more than once; Richard Meltzer ripping off Anais Nin and (I believe) Carl Sandburg; and the Song That Shall Be Nameless (aka Let Go II), wherein the rhymin? of lickin? and tickin? was the cleverest lyrical feint. "Perfect Water" is a very good song and I like the guitar solo on "Spy..." I?ve always found the lyrics to "Madness to the Method" to be unpleasant in a distinctly non-BOC way. Finding incitements to violence both opening and closing the side?coming from a band which had certainly witnessed enough ugly behavior in their audiences?sent me away depressed with the whole misbegotten enterprise. I?ll have to buy the CD, though, if only to complete my collection of Arthur Levy?s liner notes. -Chris Baker From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Mar 5 02:06:53 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:06:53 +1000 Subject: BOC & dont fear the reaper Message-ID: Yep, I heard it for the first time last Friday night at a mate's place. He told me it had only just been released in Oz, and I usually take his word on such things. Coincidentally, I heard it again on the radio while I was in a shop the next day. I think it's great that someone has made the effort to cover Reaper, even though there are some things about it that don't grab me. They've altered the riff slightly (different from how I learnt it, anyway) which may be creative, or may be a mistake, I dunno. I also find it a bit too repetitive - fair enough they've left out the middle section, but it suffers without guitar fills and the like among the vocals (which are pretty good, BTW). But, having said all that, full marks to them and I hope it does well. What's good for them is good for BOC, and is good for us. Pete. At 10:14 AM 5/03/97 -0500, you wrote: > Hi,this might be old news but I thought i'd send it anyway. > The other day a local Australian radio show played > "dont fear the reaper" by a New Zealand band called the mutton birds. > Apparently it is in the top 40,and sounded ok to me. > > regards > > Marty > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Mar 5 02:24:06 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:24:06 +1000 Subject: BOC: Buck on Perfect Water Message-ID: I emailed Buck about the Jacques Cousteau lyric in Perfect Water (you know, the bit about hearing bells in random order), and here's his reply. Interesting that he doesn't think much of the CN rendition. I've heard some folk here say they like it, even some who hate the whole album. I wonder how he hears it in his head? BTW, does anyone have any idea why JC hears bells in random order when he's underwater? Or does anyone have an email address for Jim? At least one enquiring mind would like to know...:) Pete. >In a message dated 3/4/97 3:57:10 PM, Anwar95 wrote: > >< >The guy to ask about the Perfect Water lyric would be Jim Carroll, I don't >know exactly what he meant, but it's probably something Jim heard Cousteau >say in some interview or something. Might not be a big deal or literal quote >as far as Cousteau is concerned. > >The lyric to me is one interesting thought train. PS I hate the Club Ninja >recording of that tune, I think the song's much better than that rendition. I >may re-record it someday.. > >regards, >Buck>> ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 5 07:30:14 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:30:14 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Mar 4, 97 10:43:10 am Message-ID: > I looked at the > lyrics to Beat 'em up. "Some people have a bad attitude, and I say if they wanna > play rough- Beat 'em up!" I have to confess--ya, it's a cheesy song, but I always kinda liked "Beat 'Em Up" :) Cheers, Carl From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Mar 5 07:49:38 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:49:38 +1100 Subject: BOC & dont fear the reaper In-Reply-To: <199703050706.RAA08025@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: Well, on the BOC cover by the kiwi band.....just wait for the major irritation of the century when some pimply-faced kid comes up to you when you are playing the AoF/original version and says , "this version sucks, I think the original from the movie soundtrack is better". Then you *will* know that BOC are a forgotten force. But, while in prison for murder, you can always write to your local DJ to try and get some interest going in the band. :) Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Mar 5 08:01:38 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:01:38 +1100 Subject: BOC : Fave performances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey! Has anybody ever done a survey about individual performances within BOC? For eg. "What is your Fave Buck Album and or song?" or Eric vocal, whatever. I we haven't, I'll open proceedings: Fave Buck album: Spectres, with special reference to R U Ready to Rock. Fave Eric: RbN, with special reference to Take me away. Fave Allen: FoUO, with Don't turn your back. Fave Al: Spectres, with Golden age of leather. Fave Joe: AoF, with Morning Final **OR** Should we just go back to the shit-canning of Club Ninja? Again, for the record, posterity, to make my position clear, and so forth, **I LIKE CLUB NINJA*** :) Troy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 5 08:11:44 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:11:44 GMT Subject: OFF: THEM In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:50:31 GMT Message-ID: WARNING - this is very off topic M Holmes writes: > Similarly the tightening of the gun laws aids in State projection of > power - William Rees Mogg ahs written some very interesting stuff on how > the ability of a State to get it's own way depends a lot on the balance > of power in personal weapons technology. Small alterations in that > balance of power have led to the collapse of empires due to the > inability of States to project power at the periphery (American > Revolution and the decline of the British and Roman empires for example) > and even the complete replacement of political systems (feudalism > collapsed because people could protect themselves rather than offer > fealty to a Lord in exchenge for same - and initially crossbows were > banned in the UK in order to support the Feudal system because crossbow > bolts could penetrate the armour of tax collecting knights). Jeeze - I come back to this list after a couple of weeks absence to be faced with this statement. ok - Mr. William Rees Mogg may be a highly respected writer but I'm finding it very, very difficult to agree that the Roman Empire collapsed because of a "small alteration in that balance of power". The Roman Empire disintegrated at its center for various economic and political reasons while it was still expanding vigorously at the periphery and in fact one of the problems of the Roman Empire was that its power base had in effect *moved* to the periphery and that power base then sought to control what had been the center. This is no "small alteration". Roman Britain in the 4th and 5th centuries was a a major center of civilisation in its own right until the Emperor of Britain (admittedly self-styled) took it into his head that he wanted to be Emperor of Rome as well. I'm also, to some extent surprised that he's portraying the Feudal System as solely protective. Feudalism was imposed from above by Norman kings who wanted to give their friends ownership of large amounts of land without the problems of managing it. The landowner then had to provide the king with large numbers of his tenants able to serve in the Royal army which meant he had to look after them to some extent. Feudalism began to break down not just because people carried suitable weaponry to threaten the safety of tax collectors but when sufficient land and markets became available for folk to farm their own property without having to hold it on behalf of some overall Master. The Black Death came closer to achieving this than ANY other historical event and that includes any period of weapons ownership. If Mr. Rees Mogg is reducing centuries of social and economic history to such simplistic statements solely to support gun ownership then I sincerely hope that people other than me are going to protest about this one. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Mar 5 10:55:56 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:55:56 +0000 Subject: BOC & dont fear the reaper In-Reply-To: <199703050706.RAA08025@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: Just in case anyone hasn't picked up on this point that I've e-mailed twice already, this version of the song plays out the film 'The Frighteners'! Martin On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > Yep, I heard it for the first time last Friday night at a mate's place. He > told me it had only just been released in Oz, and I usually take his word on > such things. Coincidentally, I heard it again on the radio while I was in a > shop the next day. > I think it's great that someone has made the effort to cover Reaper, even > though there are some things about it that don't grab me. They've altered > the riff slightly (different from how I learnt it, anyway) which may be > creative, or may be a mistake, I dunno. I also find it a bit too repetitive > - fair enough they've left out the middle section, but it suffers without > guitar fills and the like among the vocals (which are pretty good, BTW). > But, having said all that, full marks to them and I hope it does well. > What's good for them is good for BOC, and is good for us. > Pete. > > At 10:14 AM 5/03/97 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi,this might be old news but I thought i'd send it anyway. > > The other day a local Australian radio show played > > "dont fear the reaper" by a New Zealand band called the mutton birds. > > Apparently it is in the top 40,and sounded ok to me. > > > > regards > > > > Marty > > > > > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. > From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 5 11:32:48 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:32:48 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I have to confess--ya, it's a cheesy song, but I always kinda > liked "Beat 'Em Up" :) Something I've said before - it's a damn good song with a totally unfortunate set of lyrics. Possibly the worst I've ever heard, excepting perhaps the Spice Girls. But the actual song is fine - just needs new words. Possibly once I've got round to writing my alternative lyrics for `Damnation Alley'... It must be said, thought, that at least it doesn't have a Buck-style one-line-four-times chorus, which to my mind is what marks the pits of BOC... That and `Debbie Denise'. Two penn'orth, anyhow. Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Mar 5 11:57:02 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:57:02 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: > It must be said, thought, that at least it doesn't have a >Buck-style one-line-four-times chorus, which to my mind is what marks the >pits of BOC... That and `Debbie Denise'. Two penn'orth, anyhow. Yours, This is probably the same reason that Buck doesn't like Perfect Water...not enough repitition... From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Mar 5 11:43:30 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:43:30 +0000 Subject: BOC : Fave performances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is easy. For the questions below, my answers are (for all of them): BOC, TM, ST and OYFoOYK. No problem! Martin On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Troy Harris wrote: > Hey! > > Has anybody ever done a survey about individual performances within BOC? > For eg. "What is your Fave Buck Album and or song?" or Eric vocal, > whatever. I we haven't, I'll open proceedings: > > Fave Buck album: Spectres, with special reference to R U Ready to Rock. > > Fave Eric: RbN, with special reference to Take me away. > > Fave Allen: FoUO, with Don't turn your back. > > Fave Al: Spectres, with Golden age of leather. > > Fave Joe: AoF, with Morning Final > > **OR** > > Should we just go back to the shit-canning of Club Ninja? > > Again, for the record, posterity, to make my position clear, and so > forth, > > **I LIKE CLUB NINJA*** :) > > Troy > From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Mar 5 12:16:05 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:16:05 +0100 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: jarrett writes; > Something I've said before - it's a damn good song with a totally >unfortunate set of lyrics. Possibly the worst I've ever heard, excepting >perhaps the Spice Girls. But the actual song is fine - just needs new >words. Possibly once I've got round to writing my alternative lyrics for >`Damnation Alley'... why? is it something wrong with DA? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 5 12:15:09 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:15:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: Buck on Perfect Water In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 17:24:06 +1000." <199703050724.RAA19611@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: buck says - > >< > > >The lyric to me is one interesting thought train. PS I hate the Club Ninja > >recording of that tune, I think the song's much better than that rendition. I > >may re-record it someday.. yes! yes ! With more guitar dammit !!! :-) cheers, Tim ObCD: Wipeout 2097 soundtrack From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Mar 5 15:33:35 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:33:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Wanna hear Ezekials' Wheel on the NET??? It's here!! Message-ID: NOT!! I was poking around on rec.music.prog to find out if Of Sound Mind had gone belly-up (it hasn't, it just moved real close to where I used to work, grrrrrrrr!!!) and saw this post for EW. Well, this Wheel is a Christian band, not the BOC "work in progress". So, don't be mislead (not that a Christian band would wanna do that to ya, anyways....) Have Fun! objCDPlayer: Andy Pickford / Maelstrom Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 5 10:45:08 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:45:08 -0000 Subject: OFF: Attn: mike holmes Message-ID: sorry to post this here, but i need mike's e-address. mike, could you mail me please? rj From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Mar 5 16:08:23 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:08:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Jim Carroll lyrics Message-ID: Hey all: >The guy to ask about the Perfect Water lyric would be Jim Carroll, I don't >know exactly what he meant, but it's probably something Jim heard Cousteau >say in some interview or something. Might not be a big deal or literal quote >as far as Cousteau is concerned. I was a Jim Carroll Fan for quite some time before I ever even noticed that Allen had wrote "Day and Night" off the catholic boy album. But as much as I like Jim's tunes, and think his lyric writing is among the best anywhere, I still have to think that many of Jim's lyrics are things that he jotted down while he was tripping pretty badly during his acid soaked days. Example: "Every night I have the same dream, a man behind the door with a tattooed erection, and no reflection, and eyes like a chinese whore." Pretty bizarre stuff there Jimmy. The Cousteau lyric probably came from the same source. Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Check guitars before you go..... Close Enough For Rock & Roll!" ******************************************************************* From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 5 16:34:05 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:34:05 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Mar 1997 to 5 Mar 1997 Message-ID: >From: John A Swartz > >lil ab> Historically CN will be looked upon a bit more favorably I believe. > >JS>"No, I doubt it. As it is, I'm not sure BOC, historically, will be even >looked upon so favorably. What I mean is this: in the mid-70's BOC >was huge - they were in the rock magazines constantly, Buck Dharma was always >in the top-10 in the guitarist polls, and their laser show was, >at the time, state of the art and one of the coolest concert experiences >around. Or, so I am told - the only band I followed in the mid to late >70s was KISS (I was a young teenager with little scope in musical taste - >although I still think KISS is a lot of fun), and had no knowlege of BOC >until around 1979, about the time I started listening to other bands. BUT - when I read publications today on the history of rock, BOC is >hardly, if ever, mentioned. History may have already forgotten this band. Sad." OK Lets agree to disagree. True they do not now have the noteriety of say Kiss or Aerosmith when you think of bands from the 70-80's, but isn't most of that due to the financial sucess of those respective bands? Many years from now when rock music has completed another lap back towards its roots, young muscians might find themselves influenced by Bucks charasmatic style, Al's sinister yet funny lyrics and Allens understated keyboard fills. At some point history goes deeper than the surface. How else could Columbus go from hero to ass-hole? By further examination is how. Again we disagree and if you are right I'll feel no shame. I just don't think we will know for another 30 years or so. >>Interesting that we complain about "stupid" songs on CN like "Rock Not >War" and "Beat 'em Up", yet many of us want BOC to release a song like >"Wings of Mercury". The song kicks, but lyrically, it's probably as >stupid as some of these others. Hey, I like the song, but I also like >"Beat 'em Up" at some level too. But - if you're going to say that this >song sucks for it's stupid lyrics, well, then I think had "Wings of >Mercury" made it to the album, many of us would have been as unkind to it as we are to "Beat 'em Up"." Great point. They may sound stupid to us as we are a little more serious about BOC than a casual fan. We can debate this stuff until our mouths run dry but whats wrong with having a little fun or taking a song off? I really like Let Go, I really do. Does the song say anything special to me, lyrically or musically? No. I just think it would be fun being in front of the stage while the Oysterboys launched into this as set closer exhorting the audience to sing along. So it has nothing to do with vampires or aliens but I bet it rocks live. Sometimes a song >is only a song, why should it be more than that? lil ab "Hooked into an IV right to Mr. Spivey Cosmic Operator standing by" > From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 5 14:06:14 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:06:14 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Mar 1997 to 5 Mar 1997 Message-ID: > Great point. They may sound stupid to us as we are a little more > serious about BOC than a casual fan. We can debate this stuff until our > mouths run dry but whats wrong with having a little fun or taking a song > off? I really like Let Go, I really do. Does the song say anything > special to me, lyrically or musically? No. I just think it would be > fun being in front of the stage while the Oysterboys launched into this > as set closer exhorting the audience to sing along. So it has nothing > to do with vampires or aliens but I bet it rocks live. Sometimes a song > >is only a song, why should it be more than that? > i usually hate songs with party or rocknroll themes,but i like "let go". i like all of RBN,actually. and yer right, let go really kicks live. i saw them play this at great adventure in missouri about a decade ago. i got to see blue oyster cult twice in one night, that night. watched the first show, then sat there and waited till they came on again. the shows were identical, but it was still cool, i was young and in the army, there was nothing better to do in the whole state....(cave crawling only goes so far in entertainment value) rj From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Mar 5 19:53:06 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:53:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Benefit Gig Message-ID: >Posted by Agent on March 05, 1997 at 06:37:44: > >Update on show: >Tickets will be sold to Onliners before they go on sale to the General Public. >>Two Nespapers are doing Feature articles on this in the next few weeks and we will >have to put the tickets on sale at that time. Tickets are $25.00 per seat. You can >send a check or money order made out to "Zilla Fund". Of course, a money order will >speed up the process and you will get your tickets quicker. If you would like to donate >to the cause, but are unable to attend, you may purchase tickets and we will send you an >original ticket to this Historical occasion, with a Concert Program recognizing your gift. >A voucher will then be given to a child or family member of a child being treated by >The Children's Hospice or Scottish Rite Hospital, where Ricky spent Four months receiving >Chemotherapy. The warm up band has been announced and it will be "Fuel A.GA", AKA "Fuel" >(Premium, of course:-) Although there are no bad seats in this wonderful theatre, we will >make sure that us onlines are up in front! Send your check or money order to: >Zilla Fund >P.O.Box 465081 >Lawrenceville, GA 30246 >Please let me know if you are attending or if you wish to have a voucher issued in your honor. any questions, email me or AgentOF at aol.com Ted Alger talger at pipeline.com ted262 at aol.com From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 6 00:21:02 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:21:02 -0800 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: > > I looked at the > > lyrics to Beat 'em up. "Some people have a bad attitude, and I say if they wanna > > play rough- Beat 'em up!" Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I have to confess--ya, it's a cheesy song, but I always kinda > liked "Beat 'Em Up" :) I liked the rendition of Lee Aaron in bathing suit... Jerry ______________________________ "hope is love's blindness hope is the heart to carry on" From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Mar 6 01:34:51 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:34:51 +1000 Subject: BOC: Wanna hear Ezekials' Wheel on the NET??? It's here!! Message-ID: I found them last year when I didn't know who Ezekiel was, and I was trying to find out. I posted the band's Webpage to boc-l, but here it is again for anyone who's curious: Pete. obCD:Soundgarden - *Badmotorfinger* At 03:33 PM 5/03/97 -0500, you wrote: >NOT!! > >I was poking around on rec.music.prog to find out if Of Sound Mind had gone belly-up (it hasn't, it just moved real close to where I used to work, grrrrrrrr!!!) and saw this post for EW. Well, this Wheel is a Christian band, not the BOC "work in progress". So, don't be mislead (not that a Christian band would wanna do that to ya, anyways....) > >Have Fun! > >objCDPlayer: Andy Pickford / Maelstrom > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyramid.com > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 6 03:53:46 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:53:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics Message-ID: Hi Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? Mike P From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 04:04:20 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:04:20 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970305115203.2ce7ff74@buffnet.net> Message-ID: Why doesn't anyone like 'Debbie Denise' - I think it's great, and very funny! I have also noticed that it is not trendy to like 'Going Through the Motions', which is a great pop song, and 'The Revenge of Vera Gemini', which, to my mind, is one of the great BOC songs. If songs like 'Perfect Water' and 'Beat Em Up' are considered superior then I would have to say that you have all been listening to cranked-up Motorhead for far too long!!!!!!!!!!:) Martin On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > > It must be said, thought, that at least it doesn't have a > >Buck-style one-line-four-times chorus, which to my mind is what marks the > >pits of BOC... That and `Debbie Denise'. Two penn'orth, anyhow. Yours, > > This is probably the same reason that Buck doesn't like Perfect > Water...not enough repitition... > From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 06:08:05 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:08:05 GMT Subject: Attn: RJ Message-ID: I'm getting a bounce from your address. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 6 07:47:54 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:47:54 -0500 Subject: Going NOMAIL for a little while Message-ID: I'm off to good ol' Blighty today for about 10 days, so I'm setting my subscription to NOMAIL until I get back. Play nice when I'm gone. :-) (Sung to Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama", in yer best Southern drawl...;) "Sweet home South Shields, where the sky's so grey Sweet home South Shields, oh I'm comin' home today..." :-) Cheers, Paul, the transplanted Geordie. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 6 09:10:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:10:14 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Mar 1997 to 5 Mar 1997 Message-ID: >OK Lets agree to disagree. True they do not now have the noteriety of say Kiss or Aerosmith when you think of bands from the 70-80's, but isn't most of that due to the financial sucess of those respective bands? Many years from now when rock music has completed another lap back towards its roots, young muscians might find themselves influenced by Bucks charasmatic style, Al's sinister yet funny lyrics and Allens understated keyboard fills. At some point history goes deeper than the surface. How else could Columbus go from hero to ass-hole? By further examination is how. Again we disagree and if you are right I'll feel no shame. I just don't think we will know for another 30 years or so. Adrian, I hope you're right. But, as it stands now in the 90's it would appear that history is not being terribly kind to BOC. As I mentioned, from what I understand, they were one of the top acts of the mid-70s, but if I look in rock history books being printed in the 90s, BOC si (that should be "is") often overlooked completely. Perhaps once BOC is no more (not a day I'm looking forward to) the historians will dig deeper and give credit where it's due. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 6 09:16:06 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:16:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: John Shirley on the web Message-ID: Someone alerted me to the following URL, which is a website for John Shirley, the guy writing a lot of BOC's lyrics these days: http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley.html You'll note that John has his own band with a CD out, and one of the songs on there is SEE YOU IN BLACK!!!! No kidding! John Shirley has released this tune on a CD before BOC did! Not only that, the lyrics for the song are at that website. Very strange - if anyone picks up this CD, please let us all know what the version of SYIB sounds like (I wonder if some of BOC might not be on that track). John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 10:07:02 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:07:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: <01BC2A0B.E7A21FE0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> from "Mike Parkington" at Mar 6, 97 08:53:46 am Message-ID: > Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? Yes, I'll be there! Or I most definitely intend to anyway ... Cheers, Carl From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 10:16:28 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:16:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Mar 1997 15:07:02 GMT." Message-ID: > > Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? > > Yes, I'll be there! Or I most definitely intend to anyway ... > > Cheers, > Carl If someone can furnish me with details (price, specific location of venue etc), I might make it along too. Its just about close enough. Tim From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 6 12:02:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:02:16 +0000 Subject: Going NOMAIL for a little while In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >I'm off to good ol' Blighty today for about 10 days, so I'm setting my >subscription to NOMAIL until I get back. Play nice when I'm gone. :-) heh, heh! Now we can talk about THEM without Paul reporting back to his superior.........they're after me, you know, all of them :) hang on....BLIGHTY! He's coming for me..!!!! -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 12:41:00 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:41:00 GMT Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: Stale news probably but: Just been browsing the Hawkwind web page. I see there's a warning issued about a recycled CD called "Live and Rare" on the Emporia label. Apparently it's reissued and renamed and not rare at all. Wonder if they can be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act? And there will be t-shirts! jill obOffTopic: I've heard that Porcupine Tree might be playing at Glastonbury. Hopefully...... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 13:08:02 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:08:02 GMT Subject: Another where are they now Message-ID: I was musing at work today, what IS Rick Downey doing these days??? I don't remember seeing anything in the FAQ. Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 12:23:03 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:23:03 +0000 Subject: BOC : Fave performances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Troy Harris wrote: > > Hey! > > > > Has anybody ever done a survey about individual performances within BOC? > > For eg. "What is your Fave Buck Album and or song?" or Eric vocal, > > whatever. I we haven't, I'll open proceedings: > > > > Fave Buck album: T&M. > > song: Last Days of May, Astronomy (ST version) > > Fave Eric: ST > > song: Flaming Telepaths (most versions), Dominance > > Fave Allen: Live in the West > > song: The Subhuman (Live in the West) > > Fave Al: T&M > > song: Cities, loads of others > > Fave Joe: ST song: Twelve-seven-seven (Hot rails ... Hot rails ... Hot rails) > > > > **OR** > > > > Should we just go back to the shit-canning of Club Ninja? What a rotten album! I agree that Shadow Warrior is the best track, though. - Mike Godwin PS to John Shirley; I don't think it's a good idea putting the ouzo in coffee. Add some water to it if you like, then have a little cup of that gritty Greek coffee afterwards (half sugar, half grounds, plus a pinch of hot water...) From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Thu Mar 6 12:53:21 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:53:21 -0600 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: I have to admit, I LOVE Going Through The Motions and Debbie Denise. Alton Broussard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 6 15:20:38 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: Another where are they now Message-ID: I'm not sure what Rick is doing - I don't believe he is doing lights for BOC anymore. He's been online at AOL though, I believe. John From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 6 15:22:57 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:22:57 EST Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: >Just been browsing the Hawkwind web page. I see there's a warning >issued about a recycled CD called "Live and Rare" on the Emporia >label. >Apparently it's reissued and renamed and not rare at all. Wonder if >they can be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act? Especially if it is the same release as _Yuri Gargarin_... >And there will be t-shirts! yeah...but they made it sound like there has never been a smiling buddah face shirt before...I myself got a tye-dyed smiling buddah HW shirt in London two years ago, and I'm from the states! Wonder if it was bootlegged? From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Thu Mar 6 15:26:31 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:26:31 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine Message-ID: Hi folks, just want to let you know that the latest issue of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space is available. this issue is approx 30+ pages 81/2X11 format with pics, art articles... as usual it is free of charge, but we are looking for a donation to cover postage costs: please send $1.01 in U.S. stamps or 4 IRC's to: Bob Lennon Hawk-U.S./Time & Space 503 S. Warminster Rd. F-2 Hatboro, PA 19040 USA thank you very much Space Is Deep Bob From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Mar 6 15:29:16 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:29:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: >>And there will be t-shirts! >yeah...but they made it sound like there has never been a smiling buddah >face shirt before...I myself got a tye-dyed smiling buddah HW shirt in >London two years ago, and I'm from the states! Wonder if it was >bootlegged? By smiling buddah, do you mean the design that was part of the original Space Ritual artwork? If so, I have got the same t-shirt. I always thought it was the master of the universe :-) Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 6 15:49:14 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:49:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: John Shirley on SYIB Message-ID: I sent an email to the John Shirley website to find out about his recording of "See You in Black", and whether it was related (other than lyrically) to BOC's version. John sent me back this response: "I wrote the song for the BOC originally, sent it to them, never heard anything for a year, decided they weren't gonna do it, so I wrote a song around the lyrics and recorded it myself. then they popped up with it after all! But I liked my version so well I decided to go ahead and release it, and they can release their version, which sounds totally different and people (if they care) can have fun contrasting them. I'm a big BOC fan but - and maybe it's only vanity - I like my version better. But I do like what they did with theirs: a kind of Metallica take on it. It's cool too. And of course more notice will be paid their version because they're an established band and that's fine because they're my heroes. It doesn't really matter anyway. We're all cool with it. My obscure little cd will never get in the way. I wrote most of the lyrics on the new BOC album. John Shirley From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 6 16:05:43 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:05:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: At 17:41 1997-03-06 GMT, you wrote: >Stale news probably but: > >Just been browsing the Hawkwind web page. I see there's a warning >issued about a recycled CD called "Live and Rare" on the Emporia label. >Apparently it's reissued and renamed and not rare at all. Wonder if >they can be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act? tell me more, which hw page? what is the original entitled? >And there will be t-shirts! > >jill \\joe >obOffTopic: I've heard that Porcupine Tree might be playing at >Glastonbury. Hopefully...... From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 6 16:20:31 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:20:31 -0800 Subject: Off: Yardbirds Box Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >ObBirthday Present - Yardbirds Box Set-Complete Gomelsky recordings >on 4 disc's (plus t-shirt and pin!) & I wrote >>and I wish I got presents like that - details please So Jon replied >No, I hadn't until I saw it in Our Price - hadda have it! >It's basically the digitally remastered works complete with alternate >takes, previously unavailable tracks etc. It's as complete as your >gonna get and it includes everything produced by Giorgio Gomelsky. >Most importantly it was a bargain at 25 UKP. Beautiful clear >recordings, I played all 4 discs back-to-back first thing this >morning. Very unusual for my limited attention span! So pay attention all you BOC-L whippersnappers who haven't yet been driven to find out where "Maserati GT" came from - in fact I would be so bold as to say that if it wasn't for the Yardbirds, the school of hard-rock that includes BOC may never have been. ChrisW "wipe the windows, check the oil, dollar gas, too much monkey business......." ObCD: Derek Bailey: guitar, drums & bass Ob12": Orbital: Satan Live ObCDs: John Coltrane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 17:16:24 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:16:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Damnation Alley parody (was BOC: Club Ninja Liner Notes) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970305171605.008f2a70@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > >words. Possibly once I've got round to writing my alternative lyrics for > >`Damnation Alley'... > > why? is it something wrong with DA? Lord no - it's possibly my favourite HW song! But the first couple of lines of a parody version snuck into my head one evening, and I haven't yet written it. I hope I'm not being disrespectful to the ghost of Uncle Bob - and if so, at least less than letting Allan sing it, because it _is_ higher than he can reach... Jazza ObCD: BOC, `Tyranny and Mutation'! /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 17:22:10 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:22:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: <01BC2A0B.E7A21FE0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi > > Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? What? Damn, now I _will_ have to stay up a week! Who's doing tickets? Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 17:27:46 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:27:46 +0000 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, dench wrote: > Why doesn't anyone like 'Debbie Denise' - I think it's great, and very > funny! I have also noticed that it is not trendy to like 'Going Through > the Motions', which is a great pop song, and 'The Revenge of Vera Gemini', > which, to my mind, is one of the great BOC songs. If songs like 'Perfect > Water' and 'Beat Em Up' are considered superior then I would have to say > that you have all been listening to cranked-up Motorhead for far too > long!!!!!!!!!!:) I don't like Debbie Denise because I think the singing is poor, and the whole song strikes me as slow, plonky and over-strained. On the other hand, the singing is worse on `True Confessions', which I do sort of like, but that's because the lyrics are less simple (and, to my mind, banal). On the other hand, despite the fact that it's a great pop song, I do like `Goin' Through the Motions', one of the good bits of `Spectres', although this is still a long way from my favourite BOC album. But `The Revenge of Vera Gemini' is way cool, best-quality macabre BOC! With this I have no problems. On the other hand, I don't think I've actually been listening to Motorhead enough just lately... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Mar 6 18:53:53 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:53:53 -0700 Subject: Another where are they now In-Reply-To: <970306180802.8024@lamp.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, THE CIDER KING wrote: > I was musing at work today, what IS Rick Downey doing these days??? > I don't remember seeing anything in the FAQ. > Cheers, > Martin > > "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult > Rick Downey runs a recording studio in Florida and drives a crew bus for the Penske Racing Team out of Phoenix, AZ. Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 6 19:33:22 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 00:33:22 +0000 Subject: Off: Yardbirds Box In-Reply-To: <199703062120.NAA08072@f11.hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Chris Warburton wrote: > So pay attention all you BOC-L whippersnappers who haven't yet been driven to > find out where "Maserati GT" came from - in fact I would be so bold as to say > that if it wasn't for the Yardbirds, the school of hard-rock that includes BOC > may never have been. Aggh - too spooky. Do you know what I am listening to as I read this, freshly turned up in the INBOX? Yup... Can anyone see Les Invisibles anywhere about? JAZZA (disserting again, and so posting far too much tonight) /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Mar 6 16:52:38 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:52:38 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy Message-ID: Jon Aaargh! I went to Selectadisc today and they'd sold it! Which one of you lot got there first? :) HMV had it too, but at 13.49 chiz so I passed on it... But I'll keep an eye out. - Andy ObCD: Laura Pausini - _Le cose che vivi_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From squinn at PALMNET.NET Thu Mar 6 20:08:54 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:08:54 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: I like CN. Eric is great on WF. Buck is perfect on PW. DitR is awesome. Lets see - for 99.9999% of the CDs in the world, 3/9 is a hit. BOC is still touring - the fans have unprecedented opportunities to meet a guitar legend...not to mention listen to music unlike anything else available today played live. I would say I'm very fortunate - Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. Shawn From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Mar 6 21:40:16 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:40:16 -0700 Subject: BOC: John Shirley Message-ID: I just ordered John Shirley's CD with his band The Panther Moderns. When it gets here I'll be sure and post a review...can't wait to hear See You in Black. BTW, has anyone read any of his novels? Are they hard to find? I'm looking for some new reading material to distract me from my textbooks... Aaron deadline at cyberhighway.net From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Mar 6 23:54:26 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:54:26 -0500 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: Just when i thought I was out, I get sucked back in. << I love Nik, both as a person and a performer. His '95 tour was great, I agree <<". I think he is really entertaining, and is a hard performer. RJ? Karyn? I ain't touchin this one <> You may be missing the point:-) regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:12 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:12 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >Why doesn't anyone like 'Debbie Denise' - I think it's great, and very >funny! I have also noticed that it is not trendy to like 'Going Through >the Motions', which is a great pop song, and 'The Revenge of Vera Gemini', >which, to my mind, is one of the great BOC songs. If songs like 'Perfect >Water' and 'Beat Em Up' are considered superior then I would have to say >that you have all been listening to cranked-up Motorhead for far too >long!!!!!!!!!!:) I'd take Vera Gemeni over any of the others mentioned here any day. I don't mind 'Goin through', especially in a metatopic joke sort of way. Everyone has their underappreciated BOC faves, it seems. Mine are "Redeemed" and "R.U. Ready 2 Rock".... (and most of the rest of Spectres along with the latter...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:16 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:16 -0500 Subject: Another where are they now Message-ID: >I was musing at work today, what IS Rick Downey doing these days??? >I don't remember seeing anything in the FAQ. >Cheers, >Martin He's no longer involved with them on tour? I heard awhile back that he has a house in Florida. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:22 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:22 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, dench wrote: > > I don't like Debbie Denise because I think the singing is poor, >and the whole song strikes me as slow, plonky and over-strained. On the >other hand, the singing is worse on `True Confessions', which I do sort of >like, but that's because the lyrics are less simple (and, to my mind, >banal). Well, it could also be because it's Allen singing TC, which is the first thing that leaps to mind above even the lyrics.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:25 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:25 -0500 Subject: Another where are they now Message-ID: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, THE CIDER KING wrote: > >> I was musing at work today, what IS Rick Downey doing these days??? >> I don't remember seeing anything in the FAQ. >> Cheers, >> Martin >> >> "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult >> > > >Rick Downey runs a recording studio in Florida and drives a crew bus for the >Penske Racing Team out of Phoenix, AZ. Know where the studio is and/or what name it's listed as? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:27 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:27 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. I'll second that. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 7 02:11:29 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:11:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: John Shirley Message-ID: >I just ordered John Shirley's CD with his band The Panther Moderns. When it gets here I'll be sure and post a review...can't wait to hear See You in Black. The Panther Moderns? I've heard that somewhere.............. Neuromancer. Not the book (though it may be in there, I don't recall). The computer game, which for it's time was quite good, by Interplay (I played it on an Amiga, it came on one diskette), in that game there was a gang called the Panther Moderns that you had to deal with to get certain skillchips and information and the like. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri Mar 7 03:44:06 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:44:06 -0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics Message-ID: Tickets are available from the Junction, I think there is a telephone/credit card ordering type process, the box office number is 01223 412600 and I think that the tickets are about 7 quid. Mike P ---------- From: Jon Jarrett[SMTP:jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: 06 March 1997 22:22 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Ozrics On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi > > Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? What? Damn, now I _will_ have to stay up a week! Who's doing tickets? Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 7 03:51:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:51:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Mar 6, 97 10:22:10 pm Message-ID: > > Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 March? > > What? Damn, now I _will_ have to > stay up a week! Who's doing tickets? Yours, It'll be general admission, so tickets can probably get gotten up until the day, but I plan to get them pretty soon--I'm pretty sure that one of the record shops on King St. sells Junction tix. I'll check out the price, etc. If people are coming from outside of Cambridge I can probably provide crash space--though there's a small chance I may be leaving town early the next morning for a couple of days. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 7 03:58:35 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:58:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: John Shirley In-Reply-To: <01BC2A66.3C959CC0@ts4-01.boi.cyberhighway.net> from "Aaron Crandall" at Mar 6, 97 07:40:16 pm Message-ID: > BTW, has anyone read any of his novels? Are they hard to find? I'm looking for some new reading material to distract me from my textbooks... I thought his "Song Called Youth" trilogy (better known, perhaps, as the "Eclipse" books) was damn good, even if the message was rather heavy-handed. Some of his other novels are ... pretty far freakin' out. Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 7 04:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's mail of Thu, 6 Mar 97 23:54 -0500 Message-ID: On 07 Mar 04:54, Bill Stewart wrote: > <> > You may be missing the point:-) The complaint is usually that he doesn't play his guitar *enough*! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Mar 7 06:14:48 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:14:48 +1100 Subject: HW, N.I.G. In-Reply-To: <970306152629_1680447021@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I have worked it all out. Nik Is God. Troy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 7 04:55:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:55:22 +0000 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: <199703070945.JAA28326@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199703070945.JAA28326 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >The complaint is usually that he doesn't play his guitar *enough*! > >Dave. Well, he doesn't, that's why! -- Jon Browne From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Fri Mar 7 07:38:00 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:38:00 GMT Subject: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: Hmm all this discussion on the merits or otherwise of Goin' through th e Motions has had me listening to the album this morning (do I really need an excuse?!). IMHO Spectres is in my top 3 BOC albums alongside Imaginos and Tyranny and Mutation. Only one less than great tune amongst them - Seaching for Celine (though I do like the bass on that). Goin' Through the Motions is a song that I find grews on you (so does Athletes' Foots, but that's a whole new kettle of fish). The first few times I heard it I thought it was a stinker, but now I consider it an interesting change in the album's nature. Changing tack slightly I would agree with Vera Gemini being a top song, and that Debbie Denise is iffy. Don't think it's a very good way to end AoF. Might have been better if it had been positioned elsewhere (i.e. not after Tenderloin another not so good track IMO). Still enough waffle, and thanks to the info on Rick Downey. Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 7 08:15:57 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:15:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: John Shirley Message-ID: I've never seen his stuff in stores, and I special ordered "New Noir" - some pretty bizarre stuff. I'll sell it to ya or trade it - if interested, send me e-mail (jswartz at mitre.org) John From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 7 08:18:57 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 05:18:57 -0800 Subject: BOC: John Shirley Message-ID: Aaron Crandall wrote: >I just ordered John Shirley's CD with his band The Panther Moderns. When it gets here I'll be sure and post a review...can't wait to hear See You in Black. > >BTW, has anyone read any of his novels? Are they hard to find? I'm looking for some new reading material to distract me from my textbooks... > For more info, check out the web page in the earlier post. I don't think I've read any of his novels, but his short fiction is stunning, I recommend "Heatseeker" unreservedly. ChrisW obCD: John Coltrane - Live in Seattle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Mar 7 09:21:45 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:21:45 +1000 Subject: HW, N.I.G. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7 Mar 97 at 22:14, Troy Harris wrote: > I have worked it all out. Nik Is God. And you've got the pink mohawk to prove it ? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 7 08:21:15 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:21:15 UT Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: Hmm. I'd have said "Goin' Through the Motions" is a classic example of a generally naff song with a "good bit" - you know the bit I mean, "to thee I dedicate... you sometimes look" etc, all arranged and clever, and quite a lot of emotion (for Bloom :). But the chrous is screamingly duff. Although Bonnie Tyler's version was far worse! _Spectres_ as whole is one of BOC's more time-locked albums, I think - even if you knew nothing about it you could guess it to within a year or two. Used to love it, now, I dunno... has its moments. I've been listening to _Tyranny and Mutation_ a bit lately, though, and that just keeps on getting better - it really attains "unfairly neglected classic" status. BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) - Andy ObCD: Michel Legrand - _Les parapluies de Cherbourg_ OST Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Fri Mar 7 10:38:15 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:38:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare In-Reply-To: <9703062029.AA18682@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Martyn White wrote: > >>And there will be t-shirts! > >yeah...but they made it sound like there has never been a smiling buddah > >face shirt before...I myself got a tye-dyed smiling buddah HW shirt in > >London two years ago, and I'm from the states! Wonder if it was > >bootlegged? > > By smiling buddah, do you mean the design that was part of > the original Space Ritual artwork? If so, I have got the same t-shirt. > I always thought it was the master of the universe :-) > > Martyn > Is this the picture they used as the album cover for Ridicule from the Space ritual tour? Jeremy From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 7 11:14:53 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:14:53 -0800 Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >_Spectres_ as whole is one of BOC's more time-locked albums, I think >- even if you knew nothing about it you could guess it to within a >year or two. Used to love it, now, I dunno... has its moments. I've >been listening to _Tyranny and Mutation_ a bit lately, though, and >that just keeps on getting better - it really attains "unfairly >neglected classic" status. > >BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) My first exposure to BOC was OYFOOYK (when it first came out) - I couldn't believe the combination of violence & finesse. Needless to say I investigated further and nowadays I have everything but AoF (I lost the cassette, and don't miss it that much, though I guess I'll replace it one day). But over the years, I've tried & tried with T&M (the best TITLE of any of them) but I still only rate it as a 50%er it just doesn't grab me as a whole. OTOH Spectres grabbed me from the start and I've always loved it - my vote for neglected classic is "Nosferatu". For me CN & Mirrors sit at the bottom of the heap and BOC & ST at the top with Imaginos close behind. That's my gibber on the subject. ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 7 13:18:29 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:18:29 GMT Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:05:43 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > At 17:41 1997-03-06 GMT, you wrote: > >Stale news probably but: > > > >Just been browsing the Hawkwind web page. I see there's a warning > >issued about a recycled CD called "Live and Rare" on the Emporia label. > >Apparently it's reissued and renamed and not rare at all. Wonder if > >they can be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act? > > tell me more, > which hw page? http:\\www.hawkwind.com > what is the original entitled? I'd guess it's a reissue of either Text of Festival (which was partly a BBC Top Gear session in 1970) or Space Ritual II both of which have been variously reissued as: In the Beginning, Master of the Universe, Early Daze, Live 70/73, Ridicule, Welcome to the Future, Hawkwind Live, or Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin. That's not a precise list but it serves the purpose. Apparently Doug Smith will be writing a letter to the massed ranks of Hawkwind fans on the subject. Yours with bated breath 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 7 12:23:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:23:42 EDT Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > Andy Gilham wrote: > > >_Spectres_ as whole is one of BOC's more time-locked albums, I think > >- even if you knew nothing about it you could guess it to within a I'd say that CN and Mirrors are more identifiable by time period... > >year or two. Used to love it, now, I dunno... has its moments. I've hmm...3OC is currently doing Golden Age, a song which justifies the album's existence by itself. I've neglected that record for a long time, 'cause when it came out, I was playing in a group that covered several songs off it. I had to listen to them a million times to get the guitar parts down note-for-note, and wound up getting sick of the record. Still I think it holds up really well. If Godzilla hadn't become one of the big 3, I'd probably lie it a lot better. I Love the Night, Nosferatu=great songs. Plus it's got one of the best covers of any BOC album! > >been listening to _Tyranny and Mutation_ a bit lately, though, and > >that just keeps on getting better - it really attains "unfairly > >neglected classic" status. > > Well I wore out two vinyl copies when it first came out, so not everyone was neglecting it back then. It was the album that really hooked me on the band... > >BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) > Well, I disagree, though the first 3 are IMHO the best albums all time in rock music... > My first exposure to BOC was OYFOOYK (when it first came out) - I couldn't > believe the combination of violence & finesse. Needless to say I investigated I didn't like it when it came out, 'cause it couldn't match the polish of the studio stuff. Lately I've really come to appreciate it, for the reasons you stated. Just loose enough. Too, I saw two shows on the tour supporting the album, so it has a little added nostalgia for me. I remember quite well the shows from that era of the band, and it was a special time. They weren't big stars yet, and they were putting on a hell of a show in those days: they were really young and full of themselves, and it came across on stage... theo > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 7 04:58:07 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:58:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: <01BC2AD3.B86F4FE0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: In message <01BC2AD3.B86F4FE0 at agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com>, Mike Parkington writes >> Anyone going to see Ozric Tentacles at the Cambridge Junction on 20 >March? > > What? Damn, now I _will_ have to >stay up a week! Who's doing tickets? Yours, > Jazza I only ever managed to do that once, and that was about 15 years ago. I don't have the stamina these days. I just keep nodding off after about three days :) I wonder if Lemmy can still stay up all week? -- Jon Browne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Mar 7 16:15:37 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:15:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: Jeremy inquired: >> By smiling buddah, do you mean the design that was part of >> the original Space Ritual artwork? If so, I have got the same t-shirt. >> I always thought it was the master of the universe :-) >> >> Martyn >> >Is this the picture they used as the album cover for Ridicule from the >Space ritual tour? > >Jeremy Dunno, I don't have that album. I think there is a web site with scanned HW album covers but I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know that URL? Happy weekend Martyn From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Mar 7 18:28:41 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:28:41 -0700 Subject: Rick Downey & studio In-Reply-To: <199703070711.CAA27405@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: Nope, I don't know the name and location of the studio. But Rick downey was involved with the recording of a band called Biohazard at that studio. So, if anyone has any Biohazard CDs, you might want to check the linar notes to see if the is infact a studio listed in Florida. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Mar 7 19:33:07 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:33:07 -0800 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: <331F6AA6.77C9@palmnet.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, squinn wrote: > Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. And when they're done, send 'em up to Seattle. :o -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From corwin at ROPNET.RU Sat Mar 8 01:12:18 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:12:18 +0300 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik Message-ID: I don't think Nik is Hawkwind. Brock's Hawkwind is much better! Corwin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 8 05:12:09 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:12:09 +0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Jon > >Aaargh! I went to Selectadisc today and they'd sold it! Which one of you lot >got there first? :) > >HMV had it too, but at 13.49 chiz so I passed on it... But I'll keep an eye >out. > >- Andy > Pants!!! Never mind, I'm sure it'll turn up soon.... However..... I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on CD at around 8 or 9 quid? Steve'll be on the list sometime this week BTW -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Mar 8 05:23:28 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:23:28 +1100 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: <33210342.29AA@ropnet.ru> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, corwin wrote: > I don't think Nik is Hawkwind. Brock's Hawkwind is much better! > Corwin > Nik is not HW. He is God. Brocky's HW rule, tho. Troy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 8 06:25:23 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:25:23 GMT Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 7, 1997 1:23 pm "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" wrote: > hmm...3OC is currently doing Golden Age, a song which justifies the > album's existence by itself. > If Godzilla hadn't > become one of the big 3, I'd probably lie it a lot better. I Love > the Night, Nosferatu=great songs. I've always liked Godzilla anyway. Heck, I still quite like all the Big 3--I just wish they weren't such predictable set features. I hate overly predictable sets. This comes of teenage years spent listening to live Dead tapes :) Nosferatu is truly one of the great lost songs. And what about "I Love the Night"? Isn't that on there? That too is a fab track. > > >been listening to _Tyranny and Mutation_ a bit lately, though, and > > >that just keeps on getting better - it really attains "unfairly > > >neglected classic" status. "7 Screaming Dizbusters". Nuff said :) > > >BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) > > > Well, I disagree, though the first 3 are IMHO the best albums all > time in rock music... Yeah, I mean, I want my "ETI", my "Heavy Metal: TB&S", my "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", etc. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 8 06:29:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:29:59 GMT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 8, 1997 10:12 am "Jon Browne" wrote: > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? This would be pretty damn tempting! Cheers, Carl From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Mar 8 06:34:06 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:34:06 +1100 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? I need one now. > Steve'll be on the list sometime this week BTW Things get better all the time. Troy From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 8 08:16:18 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:16:18 +1000 Subject: HW Opinions on Nik In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 8 Mar 97 at 21:23, Troy Harris wrote: > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, corwin wrote: > > > I don't think Nik is Hawkwind. Brock's Hawkwind is much better! > > Corwin > > > > Nik is not HW. He is God. I reckon I could argue against that point and still win even tho *I* don't study theology like some pink-mohawk endowed and bearded indivisuals .... -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 8 08:19:52 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:19:52 +1000 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis boot indexing Message-ID: Hi all, It may just be my copy, but I was wondring if anyone else's copy of this boot actaully has "Space Sex" on it. Mine goes into "Gimme Shelter" at track 9, and track 10 is also "Gimme Shelter", but only the last minute or so. Is this a fault on all of them? Cpt Cloud: I posted yours today .... don't know if yours has this problem. Sonique -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Mar 8 07:25:12 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:25:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Track order and positioning Message-ID: The Cider King said: >Changing tack slightly I would agree with Vera Gemini being a top song, >and that Debbie Denise is iffy. Don't think it's a very good way to end >AoF. Might have been better if it had been positioned elsewhere (i.e. >not after Tenderloin another not so good track IMO). Still enough waffle, >and thanks to the info on Rick Downey. Just for the record (no pun intended) let me state that you have mentioned my all time fave BOC song and my all time least fave BOC song in the same sentence. Although I don't *hate* it, I could never really get my teeth into Debbie Denise. And I agree 100% about the positioning of it on the album. I am a sucker for correct track order, and IMHO Agents is a poorly laid out album in terms of proper track order. I obsess terribly over things like this when I am laying out a compilation tape for myself, or someone else. Many people tell me they can tell. But, anyhoo, if *I* were at the helm of choosing the correct track order for that album, you would have found something like this when you bought the record back in 1976: SIDE A: This aint the summer of love E.T.I. Morning Final Tattoo Vampire Tenderloin SIDE B: The Revenge of Vera Gemini True confessions Sinful Love Debbie Denise Don't Fear the Reaper Oh, and since we are on the subject, when I listen to IMAGINOS, I almost always have the songs programmed in the CD player to play in the order they are listed in on the inside notes, putting Magna of Illusion at the end instead of finishing off the album with the title (weakest) track. I like it alot better that way. I guess I worry about things like this too much. ;^) Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "Check guitars before you go..... Close Enough For Rock & Roll!" ******************************************************************* From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Sat Mar 8 07:42:42 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:42:42 -0500 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Troy Harris wrote: > On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > > > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > > > > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? > > I need one now. > > > Steve'll be on the list sometime this week BTW > > Things get better all the time. > > Troy > Count me in Jeremy From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Mar 8 03:18:27 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 08:18:27 -0000 Subject: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: jon, id take one each....if they could be shipped to the US...... rj > > Never mind, I'm sure it'll turn up soon.... > However..... > > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? > > Steve'll be on the list sometime this week BTW > > -- > Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Mar 8 09:00:39 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:00:39 +0100 Subject: HW: German HAWK-fan Festival Message-ID: Hello folks The German HAWK-fan Festival is starting this year in June. It will be a very special one (maybe with HAWKWIND!!!!) OK. Here are the facts (questions and answers): - When is the Festival ? 13.06.1997 - 15.06.1997 - Where is the Festival ? Very near of HAMBURG (Germany) Take EXIT 32 (Heimfeld). Turn right on the B73 direction Hamburg-Harburg. On the 3rd light turn left. Turn left in the next street. Follow the signs to the Festival - Who will be playing ? # Alan Daveys BEDOUIN (100% confirmed) # Captain Rizz (100% confirmed) # Darxtar (100% confirmed) # Nik Turner with The Moor (100% confirmed) # HAWKWIND (possible). They are playing some other festivals in this month in Germany. So there is a good chance to see them on the festival More infos later # The Rakes (100% confirmed) - How much do you have to pay ? NOTHING. But donations (gifts) are VERY WELCOME - Why are all these bands playing for free ? Because they want it make a FREE FESTIVAL The organizers have only to pay for their expenses (Ferry etc.) Thats the reason why donations are so very welcome! - Where can you sleep? In your car or in your own tent - What about eating? Not to much but enough to survive - What about drinking? Enough !! More informations? Contact: Germany 04120519 (at day), Germany 0404500483 I am not one of the organizers so if you have questions call first one of these numbers (the organizers are speaking English) and than me. Maybe I can help More infos later especially if we know that our favorite band is playing Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Mar 8 09:16:40 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:16:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis boot indexing Message-ID: Hi there At 23:19 08.03.97 +1000, Paul Ward wrote: >It may just be my copy, but I was wondring if anyone else's copy of this boot >actaully has "Space Sex" on it. Mine goes into "Gimme Shelter" at track 9, >and track 10 is also "Gimme Shelter", but only the last minute or so. Is this >a fault on all of them? Mine has the same fault :-( And I suppose the other ones too Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 8 11:57:42 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:57:42 +0800 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > At 17:41 1997-03-06 GMT, you wrote: > > >Stale news probably but: > > > > > >Just been browsing the Hawkwind web page. I see there's a warning > > >issued about a recycled CD called "Live and Rare" on the Emporia label. > > >Apparently it's reissued and renamed and not rare at all. Wonder if > > >they can be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act? > > > > tell me more, > > which hw page? > > http:\\www.hawkwind.com > > > what is the original entitled? > > I'd guess it's a reissue of either Text of Festival (which was partly a > BBC Top Gear session in 1970) or Space Ritual II both of which have been > variously reissued as: In the Beginning, Master of the Universe, Early > Daze, Live 70/73, Ridicule, Welcome to the Future, Hawkwind Live, or > Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin. That's not a precise list but it > serves the purpose. > > Apparently Doug Smith will be writing a letter to the massed ranks of > Hawkwind fans on the subject. > I've seen it in a shop in town, and it looks as if it's the same tracks as on the other Live and Rare album (The Best of and the Rest of Hawkwind), as it has on it tracks like Angels of Death and Silver Machine. It even has a photo of Ron from Love in Space on the back. Bit of a contradiction there? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 8 12:01:14 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 01:01:14 +0800 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message , Andrew Gilham > writes > >Jon > > > >Aaargh! I went to Selectadisc today and they'd sold it! Which one of you lot > >got there first? :) > > > >HMV had it too, but at 13.49 chiz so I passed on it... But I'll keep an eye > >out. > > > >- Andy > > > Pants!!! > > Never mind, I'm sure it'll turn up soon.... > However..... > > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? > > Steve'll be on the list sometime this week BTW > I am VERY, VERY INTERESTED!!!!! William From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Mar 8 13:28:59 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:28:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine/update Message-ID: update: sorry, last e-mail was about the latest issue of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space being avail this is issue #5 (I'm still working on #6) many people e-mailed me that already have #5 I just wanted to post this as #5 is going fast and soon to be out of print Hawkwind forever!!! Bob From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Mar 8 17:07:14 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:07:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: > > I've seen it in a shop in town, and it looks as if it's the same tracks > as on the other Live and Rare album (The Best of and the Rest of > Hawkwind), as it has on it tracks like Angels of Death and Silver > Machine. > It even has a photo of Ron from Love in Space on the back. Bit of a > contradiction there? > > William nah, i think its called false advertising. but im sure they found some loophole to exploit. rare (lie), live, and something to suggest it might be current. dirtballs... rj From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 9 03:10:30 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max WIlcox) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 18:10:30 +1000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just > to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on > CD at around 8 or 9 quid? YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES..... You get the picture... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Mar 9 06:34:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:34:12 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: >I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of >getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling >it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. > >Very tentatively, no commitment from you or promises from me, but just >to guage how many to produce, who would be interested in owning these on >CD at around 8 or 9 quid? OK, put me down for a couple! If I had to choose between Punkadelic and ME, it's a tough one... but as long as you include "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" and "Two Worlds", I'll be happy! Oh yeah, and "Skinheads in Leningrad". And "Bildeborg". And "Gas Money". And "Metal". Can't we just have them both? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Mar 9 07:57:37 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:57:37 UT Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: >> > >BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) >> > >> Well, I disagree, though the first 3 are IMHO the best albums all >> time in rock music... > > Yeah, I mean, I want my "ETI", my "Heavy Metal: TB&S", my "Veteran of >the Psychic Wars", etc. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek with that first comment, but I was thinking about this history thing - you could almost imagine it being hip to like BOC if they'd just made three legendary albums (plus a double-live released after their break-up, natch) and then split. To have gone on to successful solo careers, one would hope! How about if Al & Joe had done _Imaginos_ with SP in 1976, while DR is still writing "Reaper"... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Mar 9 09:22:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:22:00 +0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Sat, 8 Mar 97 10:12 +0000 Message-ID: > I've been conversing recently with Steve Pond about the feasability of > getting a limited CD pressing of President's Tapes and perhaps doubling > it up with Punkadelic or Maximum Effect. I'm not interested in The President's Tapes, but I would love to have The Maximum Effect on CD, plus say Blue Rinse Haggard Robot and Blideborg from Punkadelic. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Mar 9 10:31:35 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:31:35 -0600 Subject: HW: Yet another comp Message-ID: Got a preorder notice of a cheapie titled Onward Flies the Bird. Sound familiar? Wylie From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Mar 9 11:18:11 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:18:11 EST Subject: HW: Dead Common aka Live and Rare Message-ID: >I've seen it in a shop in town, and it looks as if it's the same >tracks >as on the other Live and Rare album (The Best of and the Rest of >Hawkwind), as it has on it tracks like Angels of Death and Silver >Machine. Angels of Death isn't on _Best of and the Rest Of.._, though. From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Sun Mar 9 16:15:45 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 13:15:45 -0800 Subject: OFF earplugs Message-ID: I use just plain foam earplugs, but I cut them in half so I can push them further into my ear depending on how loud the sound is. It seemed to work at that last Tool show, I had to adjust them every 20 min. but it workes uot pretty well. ,BB spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) updated... http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Mar 9 11:17:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:17:07 -0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: > > I'm not interested in The President's Tapes, but I would love to have > The Maximum Effect on CD, plus say Blue Rinse Haggard Robot and Blideborg > from Punkadelic. > > Dave. i agree, if i had the choice, max effect would be number one! rj From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 9 19:24:56 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:24:56 -0800 Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: OK guys: >> If Godzilla hadn't >> become one of the big 3, I'd probably lie it a lot better. I Love >> the Night, Nosferatu=great songs. > > I've always liked Godzilla anyway. Heck, I still quite like all -- snip -- >Nosferatu is truly one of the great lost songs. And what about "I >Love the Night"? Isn't that on there? That too is a fab track. -- snip -- > > Yeah, I mean, I want my "ETI", my "Heavy Metal: TB&S", my >"Veteran of the Psychic Wars", etc. Sorry, but "Godzilla" was amusing for about a year/a tour, "I Love The Night" - OK, but the other one I love is "Fireworks" (& why did they never play "Golden Age.." live at the time?). And I can forgive them "Mirrors" for ETI/The Vigil/I Am The Storm. I certainly wouldn't want to have missed out on CE & FOUO. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 9 19:35:56 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:35:56 -0800 Subject: thoughts Message-ID: Before anybody jumps on me - I know ETI isn't on Mirrors, blame it on the red wine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 10 03:24:48 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:24:48 UT Subject: OFF: earplugs Message-ID: At Tool in London last month, my only complaint was that they weren't loud enough... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 10 03:26:13 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:26:13 UT Subject: BOC: Thoughts on Spectres Message-ID: Chris asks >(& why did they never play "Golden >Age.." live at the time?). They did, on the Spectres tour. Hammersmith 1978, for sure... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 04:32:03 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:32:03 +0000 Subject: Tool, was Re: OFF: earplugs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:24:48 GMT." Message-ID: > At Tool in London last month, my only complaint was that they weren't loud > enough... > Indeed, I almost always wear plugs for a gig, but dipensed with mine after about the 2nd song. But unlike Andy, I'm not complaining :-) Actually I never completed or posted a review of that night. Great concert - Maynard James Keenan (resplendent in head to toe blue paint with red flourescent spots) came across as being well out off his head. The setlist was something like: Third Eye / Stinkfist / Eulogy / Forty-Six & 2 / Crawl Away / Pushit / Sober / Opiate / Aenema Somewhere in there they might have played H or Jimmy too, I can't be sure. During the lengthy Pushit, the singer from Lodestar (support) came out and did a spoken word piece which might have been the Rollins section from Bottom, but the mix was way down to hear very well. ObGigEvent: Some stagediver getting sat on by MJK through the whole of Pushit ObGigAttire: MJK's boxer shorts with a Tool logo print I would definitely recommend you check em out if they come your way. Tim From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 04:50:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:50:17 +0000 Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >OK, put me down for a couple! > >If I had to choose between Punkadelic and ME, it's a tough one... but as long >as you include "Blue Rinse Haggard Robot" and "Two Worlds", I'll be happy! Oh >yeah, and "Skinheads in Leningrad". And "Bildeborg". And "Gas Money". And >"Metal". > >Can't we just have them both? > >- Andy > That's really what I'd like to do. The only snag is cash really. I've a "somewhat limited" budget, but I do believe we could easily break even with the project especially with Nik's profile in the States these days. I think tentatively we're only going to do 500 to start with so I think they'll be pretty desireable to Kollectors too. Any comments? Anyone want to rough out an ICU biog for sleeve notes? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 04:43:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:43:16 +0000 Subject: NIK : ICU Discs Message-ID: Forwarded for your comment and enertainment.... ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Hi Jon, People -want- this stuff!? I spoke to Fred just now and he's under the impression we have 7.5ips versions of "Maximum Effect" and "Presidents Tapes" (Engineers won't just "run you off" a 15ips version..) we doubt that we can find Punkadelic as it was made from tapes owned by all and sundry and it was hard enough to get 'em all in one place the first time. Legal issues: As for the legalities we say "bollocks to the lot of 'em" and thats the official line. We never saw dime one from the original issues, add that to the CD release of Newanatomy coming out without our knowledge and never having even being sent a mechanicals or prs statement or anything concerning its release we're agreed that we'd rather put this stuff out hoping to break even (heck I'd even lose a few quid to stop yet more exploitation..) than let someone else do it for profit. Extra tracks: Well, theres not much in the cupboard.. but we could either: split the good live tape we have accross two albums so it would be Max Eff plus 35 mins live stuff, the Pres Tapes plus 35 mins live stuff.. failing that bung the two proper albums on once CD and be done with it. Cover artwork: Thats easy, Mary who did the Original PT sleeve is still around, and we have all the scanning stuff available to do pretty good sleeves with all the info anyone could want. I wonder where the tapes for "Blood & Bone" are... I subscribed to the boc-L list again last night still havn't seen anything from it, but you're welcome to cc this message in there if you think other folks input might be interesting.. Have a good birthday bash! -Steve -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 05:57:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:57:00 +0000 Subject: NIK : ICU Discs In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Mon, 10 Mar 97 09:43 +0000 Message-ID: On 10 Mar 09:43, Jon Browne wrote: > we doubt that we can find Punkadelic as it > was made from tapes owned by all and sundry and it was hard enough to get > 'em all in one place the first time. There's always the vinyl... Dunno if this is practical though. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 10 07:43:53 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:43:53 UT Subject: NIK: New Anatomy + News Message-ID: If we can get PT and ME out on a single CD, that would satisfy me for starters... although if there's a decent enough live tape (with a version of "Crusher" on it!!!) that would be cool too. And it would good to have "Blood & Bone"... If we can stretch to 2 CDS, then maybe ME + some live + any bits of Punkadelic that can be found on one, and then PT + B&B on the other, makes most sense. Like you, I'm sure 500 would sell in no time. So we're looking at an up-front of what, a few grand? Hmmm... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 10 09:44:40 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:44:40 GMT Subject: HW: Theta Orionis boot indexing In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:19:52 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > Hi all, > > It may just be my copy, but I was wondring if anyone else's copy of this boot > actaully has "Space Sex" on it. Mine goes into "Gimme Shelter" at track 9, > and track 10 is also "Gimme Shelter", but only the last minute or so. Is this > a fault on all of them? Yep, it was noted when we did the entry for tye Codex. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 09:29:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:29:33 +0000 Subject: NIK : ICU discs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >If we can get PT and ME out on a single CD, that would satisfy me for >starters... although if there's a decent enough live tape (with a version of >"Crusher" on it!!!) that would be cool too. And it would good to have "Blood >& Bone"... If we can stretch to 2 CDS, then maybe ME + some live + any bits >of Punkadelic that can be found on one, and then PT + B&B on the other, makes >most sense. > >Like you, I'm sure 500 would sell in no time. So we're looking at an up-front >of what, a few grand? Hmmm... > >- Andy MMM would do 500 copies for 725 UKP. My brother will do any DAT transfers for free. Hopefully initial outlay will be not much more than a grand or so. My bro and I should be able to cover at least half maybe all of that depending on how quick the outlay can recovered. My next step is to find as many fan-based outlets as possible. There's the obvious like Hawkfan and Hawkfrendz. I've mailed the Moorcock App. Soc. who also carry other Hawkwind releases. Any suggestions? Could the OzHawks take 10 copies between them for instance? Who do I contact in the States for Non-NetHawks? Kadu Flyer? I'm going to go through proper distributors too, but Fans need to be _told_ at least, if not the opportunity to buy at source. BTW I mentioned this project to my old guitarist, also an old ICU fan. After my band he formed Levitation, who apparantly have four albums worth of unreleased material lying around. He's interested in putting them out the same way.... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 10 09:06:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:06:36 +0000 Subject: NIK : ICU Discs In-Reply-To: <199703101057.KAA07203@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199703101057.KAA07203 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >There's always the vinyl... >Dunno if this is practical though. > >Dave. which reminds me....The only reason I suggested this was to get copies of these LPs. (I have PT but no ME or Punkadelic) It now looks like I'm not going to see a CD so if *anyone, anywhere* has or sees a spare Punkadelic, PLEASE snag it for me!! -- Jon Browne From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 10 11:28:58 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:28:58 +0800 Subject: ICU CD's Message-ID: I have some questions and ideas. Who owns the rights to the recordings that have made it to CD, Fallout and New Anatomy? As not many people have them, they could be repackaged. Is it possible to release some kind of box set, with ALL ICU recordings? I, for one, would love this. You could also have all the Friends & Relations stuff as well. How about Xitintoday as a CD? The demo recordings could be included as well. William From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 10 11:42:38 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:42:38 -0600 Subject: Break Up after Secret Treaties ? Message-ID: >BOC should really have split up after _Secret Treaties_... :) >- Andy Interesting point, a quit while your ahead strategy. Would be a different world and certainly a lot of people talking what if about BOC {now there's a thought 8>) } Only one problem if they broke up at this point then there never would have been a Feet/Knees. 8>( >My first exposure to BOC was OYFOOYK (when it first came out) - I >couldn't believe the combination of violence & finesse. >ChrisW lil ab is smiling at this. >I didn't like it when it came out, 'cause it couldn't match the >polish of the studio stuff. Lately I've really come to appreciate >it, for the reasons you stated. Just loose enough. Too, I saw two >shows on the tour supporting the album, so it has a little added >nostalgia for me. I remember quite well the shows from that era of >the band, and it was a special time. They weren't big stars yet, and >they were putting on a hell of a show in those days: they were >really young and full of themselves, and it came across on stage... >theo Your never to old to learn. Our time frames are about the same here however I loved Feet/Knees the moment it hit the turntable. This was the first live album that captured what I had actually witnessed. Kiss Alive was pretty close but Feet/Knees, live or Memorex? BOC had the lousy PA system and that sound translated to the album just as poorly. Even though Feet/Knees is a compilation of different shows the sound quality is remarkably consistent. Of the live albums (not including boots) the others pale compared to this. Sure SEE and ETL sound better and have good setlists but both fail to capture the essence of a young BOC taking the metal world by the throat. I have only heard one live BOC that tops it, the Thing, but then again I haven't heard all the boots either, sure there are some other great performances out there. On the history thing John, I guess what I'm looking for is not necesarily a revision, they had their time, they just didn't break through financially like some of their contemporaries. I would just like people to look back and wonder what it would have been like to see a band as great as this, live and in person. To have some of the things they have done show up in the music of the next generation. Hard to really put into words, but I'm sure years from now their real music will be considered timeless. L8er lil ab Some interesting releases for this year - 1997 Magellan title unavailable 1997 Cairo title unavailable 1997 Shadow Gallery Tyranny* 14 Feb Eldritch Headquake 17 Feb Enchant Wounded 10 Mar Threshold Extinct Instinct 21 Apr Stratovarious Visions Apr Fates Warning A pleasant Shade of grey May Galactic Cowboys The Horse that Bud bought * Debut cd is now available directly through Magna Carta records but supplies are limited. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Mar 10 12:24:05 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:24:05 -0700 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: Hi all! I just had to ask about this one!! Will someone please tell this HW/Nik Turner fledgling what these are? Thanks in advance!! I purchased "Past or Future" yeaterday-It's awesome!!! I'm gonna hafta get somemore of this work!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > Hi all! > I just had to ask about this one!! Will someone please tell this HW/Nik > Turner fledgling what these are? Thanks in advance!! > I purchased "Past or Future" yeaterday-It's awesome!!! I'm gonna hafta > get somemore of this work!! > Pam > I would class Inner City Unit as a tongue-in-cheek punk version of Hawkwind. They are not as spacey as Hawkwind, but a lot of their music is fun to listen to. There is very little similarities in Nik's solo stuff with ICU (even in the songs he re-recorded). There are good examples of what to expect on the Friends & Relations albums (eg "Human Beings") William From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Mar 10 12:55:16 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of ungodly vision) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:55:16 -0500 Subject: Break Up after Secret Treaties ? Message-ID: > BOC had the >lousy PA system and that sound translated to the album just as poorly. I think, as is mentioned later about the "violence and finesse," the sheer musicianship and energy of the band as captured on that double LP set of wonderfullness manages to make the thing great to listen to. as it starts off w/"they'll hear it..," one does indeed. In that way the title is quite apt-- its uncompromising cutting edge metal in its prime of life and at the verge of something great. The fact that "(DF)tR" (though pure Dharma in origin) is an eternal staple of the classic rock radio blitz is a testament to how much BOC stylized and upgraded the standards of their genre. For me the tracks from F/K were what made the "career of evil" compilation amazing (the ear shattering demolition that ME 262 evoked immediately became the standard of what all shows should sound like when they end); they roared into my ear and made the 1st live disc my first boc cd in the early 90's. > Hard to >really put into words, but I'm sure years from now their real music will >be considered timeless. hope so. so much good music was produced in the waning days of the 60s and the early 70s its often hard to take it all of it in (not to mention find some of it) Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 10 12:26:54 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:26:54 EDT Subject: Agents of History Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > > Your never to old to learn. Our time frames are about the same here > however I loved Feet/Knees the moment it hit the turntable. This was > the first live album that captured what I had actually witnessed. Kiss > Alive was pretty close but Feet/Knees, live or Memorex? BOC had the Kind of apples and oranges, I guess. The two bands were working different sides of the street... > lousy PA system and that sound translated to the album just as poorly. > Even though Feet/Knees is a compilation of different shows the sound > quality is remarkably consistent. Of the live albums (not including > boots) the others pale compared to this. Sure SEE and ETL sound better > and have good setlists but both fail to capture the essence of a young > BOC taking the metal world by the throat. I have only heard one live > BOC that tops it, the Thing, but then again I haven't heard all the > boots either, sure there are some other great performances out there. > I can understand why the band wasn't wild about releasing SEE: two cover tunes, and a couple that had just been on albums. While I love the version of DFtR, I could have done with a full-on 2-disc set myself. A good record, but somewhat unnecessary. They would've done better by putting out a bunch of neglected stuff that didn't make the first live one, most notedly Stairway... > On the history thing John, I guess what I'm looking for is not > necesarily a revision, they had their time, they just didn't break > through financially like some of their contemporaries. I would just But they did! The band circa Spectres was the biggest thing in rock. They had a tiger by the tail but couldn't hang on for the ride. Mismanagement and internecine squabbling brought about the band's demise... > like people to look back and wonder what it would have been like to see > a band as great as this, live and in person. To have some of the things > they have done show up in the music of the next generation. Hard to > really put into words, but I'm sure years from now their real music will > be considered timeless. > > L8er > > lil ab Anybody see this month's Guitar World? The previous issue listed the 100 greatest guitarists all time. Somebody wrote them a letter asking how they could leave BD off the list. And it wasn't a BOC-Ler either [least I don't think so]. So I guess BOC will have an historical presence, just maybe not of the magnitude that we all know they deserve theo From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Mar 10 14:00:49 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:00:49 -0700 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > I just had to ask about this one!! Will someone please tell this HW/Nik > > Turner fledgling what these are? Thanks in advance!! > > I purchased "Past or Future" yeaterday-It's awesome!!! I'm gonna hafta > > get somemore of this work!! > > Pam > > > I would class Inner City Unit as a tongue-in-cheek punk version of > Hawkwind. They are not as spacey as Hawkwind, but a lot of their music > is fun to listen to. > There is very little similarities in Nik's solo stuff with ICU (even in > the songs he re-recorded). > There are good examples of what to expect on the Friends & Relations > albums (eg "Human Beings") > > William Well, I haven't heard even that much-just this one that I got yesterday! I guess I'll hafta hit up on my really cool friend with all the music:) He probably has it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <332443B5.4BBB at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes >Hi all! >I just had to ask about this one!! Will someone please tell this HW/Nik >Turner fledgling what these are? Thanks in advance!! >I purchased "Past or Future" yeaterday-It's awesome!!! I'm gonna hafta >get somemore of this work!! >Pam After Nik ejected from Spaceship Hawkwind in deep space in 1976 or 77 he formed a Psychedelic Punk band called Inner City Unit which itself had a couple of incarnations. This band wrote, performed and occasionally recorded several of the tracks currently being revived by Nik Turner's "Hawkwind" / Space Ritual, among many others of equal worth which at present languishing in the archives. They were also *the* most exciting live act I ever saw and I've seen a few, I can tell you! ICU originals on Nik's Cleopatra output include Watching The Grass Grow, Strontium 90 (originally Nuclear Waste itself a revival of a track by The Radiators - a band which featured Nik, Sting, Steve Hillage among others), Stonehenge, Who Knows? , Cybernetic Love, Bones Of Elvis & Fallout. So as you can see, there's a pretty damn strong case for the original versions being made available especially when they are arguably much better, albeit "punker". Steve Pond was the guitarist for ICU (Hello Steve) who maintains the excellent ICU homepages where I believe he's giving away Maximum Effect singles . Now you're going have to web- search for the URL...... -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 10 14:50:38 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:50:38 UT Subject: ICU CD's Message-ID: >How about Xitintoday as a CD? Now that's another one I'd like to have - one track from it ("God Rock") has made it to a Charisma sampler, but that's it - and it's *much* better than the remake (IMHO of course). But like the song says, let's walk don't run! Although it would be nice to include "Raj Neesh" on any ICU CD... not to mention "CRUSHER"! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Mar 10 10:53:30 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:53:30 -0000 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: > In message , Andrew Gilham > writes > >If we can get PT and ME out on a single CD, that would satisfy me for > >starters... although if there's a decent enough live tape (with a version of > >"Crusher" on it!!!) that would be cool too. And it would good to have "Blood > >& Bone"... If we can stretch to 2 CDS, then maybe ME + some live + any bits > >of Punkadelic that can be found on one, and then PT + B&B on the other, makes > >most sense. > > > >Like you, I'm sure 500 would sell in no time. So we're looking at an up-front > >of what, a few grand? Hmmm... > > > >- Andy > > MMM would do 500 copies for 725 UKP. My brother will do any DAT > transfers for free. Hopefully initial outlay will be not much more than > a grand or so. My bro and I should be able to cover at least half maybe > all of that depending on how quick the outlay can recovered. My next > step is to find as many fan-based outlets as possible. There's the > obvious like Hawkfan and Hawkfrendz. I've mailed the Moorcock App. Soc. > who also carry other Hawkwind releases. Any suggestions? Could the > OzHawks take 10 copies between them for instance? Who do I contact in > the States for Non-NetHawks? Kadu Flyer? I'm going to go through proper > distributors too, but Fans need to be _told_ at least, if not the > opportunity to buy at source. > for the us, the two main hawkwind distributors are jim lasko with strange trips, and jim coleman of deltawave. im sure you can get bob lennon to advert it in his Hawk US. mag. (he's on the list.) jim lasko- jmfinity at harborcom.net. cant remember coleman's address or number,but i think he's listed at www.hawkwind.com, under hawkwind network. i never recieved the last purchase i made from kadu flyer, which was live business trip when it was NEW, so i wouldnt advise using them for an outlet. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Mar 10 11:03:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:03:49 -0000 Subject: Agents of History Message-ID: > > > > Your never to old to learn. Our time frames are about the same here > > however I loved Feet/Knees the moment it hit the turntable. This was > > the first live album that captured what I had actually witnessed. Kiss > > Alive was pretty close but Feet/Knees, live or Memorex? BOC had the > umm.... maybe its only my copy, but my OYFOOYK sounds like it was recorded on a tape player with dying batteries and played back with new ones. it sounds too fast like a lot of live dead i've heard. ive played it on both my old turntable and my new, adn it still sounds like that..... and i dont mean they are playing too fast, like the voices sound too high and all.... did anyone else notice anything like this? rj From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Mar 10 16:44:50 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:44:50 -0500 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: >i never recieved the last purchase i made from kadu flyer, which was live >business trip when it >was NEW, so i wouldnt advise using them for an outlet. Not to be overly critical, but I too have had fairly unfavorable experiences with the Kadu Flyer people. I used to talk with Chris and Mary on the phone sometimes and they're very nice folk, but I must say that their organization must be very disorganized, as even though I sent them a tidy sum of money for support and stayed in touch constantly, they rarely mailed me anything. I don't know how many issues of Kadu Flyer went out, but I only ever received the first two. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Mar 11 10:16:06 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:16:06 EST Subject: HW: Theta Orionis boot indexing In-Reply-To: ; from "Sonique" at Mar 8, 97 11:19:52 pm Message-ID: > > Hi all, > > It may just be my copy, but I was wondring if anyone else's copy of this boot > actaully has "Space Sex" on it. Mine goes into "Gimme Shelter" at track 9, > and track 10 is also "Gimme Shelter", but only the last minute or so. Is this > a fault on all of them? > > Cpt Cloud: I posted yours today .... don't know if yours has this problem. > > Sonique > > -- > OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society > PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter > Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" > VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks > Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au > My copy does this as well. regards Marty From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Mar 10 21:02:10 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:02:10 EST Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: >i never recieved the last purchase i made from kadu flyer, which was >live >business trip when it >was NEW, so i wouldnt advise using them for an outlet. >rj > I have written them about letters along with SASE's...all with absolutely no response. From corwin at ROPNET.RU Mon Mar 10 23:44:33 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:44:33 +0300 Subject: Age Message-ID: Anyone knows the exact age of Dave Brock and Nik Turner? Corwin From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 11 01:05:22 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:05:22 +1000 Subject: Age In-Reply-To: <3324E331.3937@ropnet.ru> Message-ID: On 11 Mar 97 at 7:44, corwin wrote: > Anyone knows the exact age of Dave Brock and Nik Turner? I'm not 100% sure, but I believe 55 and 56 respectively, Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Mar 11 01:40:42 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:40:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Kadu Flyer Annoyances Message-ID: Regarding the Kadu Flyer people... >I have written them about letters along with SASE's...all with absolutely >no response. > So, more negative stories come in... Good to know I'm not the only one with unfavorable experiences with Kadu. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Mar 11 03:08:35 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:08:35 -0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Anyone ever notice that on "Only Dreaming" from Masters Of The Universe (Thunderbolt) Brock sounds like he either had a toke of helium or was 10 years old? Just wonderin', Chuck From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Mar 11 03:20:42 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:20:42 -0700 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <332443B5.4BBB at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton > > After Nik ejected from Spaceship Hawkwind in deep space in 1976 or 77 he > formed a Psychedelic Punk band called Inner City Unit which itself had a > couple of incarnations. This band wrote, performed and occasionally > recorded several of the tracks currently being revived by Nik Turner's > "Hawkwind" / Space Ritual, among many others of equal worth which at > present languishing in the archives. They were also *the* most exciting > live act I ever saw and I've seen a few, I can tell you! ICU originals > on Nik's Cleopatra output include Watching The Grass Grow, Strontium 90 > (originally Nuclear Waste itself a revival of a track by The Radiators - > a band which featured Nik, Sting, Steve Hillage among others), > Stonehenge, Who Knows? , Cybernetic Love, Bones Of Elvis & Fallout. So > as you can see, there's a pretty damn strong case for the original > versions being made available especially when they are arguably much > better, albeit "punker". Steve Pond was the guitarist for ICU (Hello > Steve) who maintains the excellent ICU homepages where I believe he's > giving away Maximum Effect singles . Now you're going have to web- > search for the URL...... > -- > Jon Browne Thank you!! Sounds interesting to me!! The one I've got seems (to my limited experience) to be alot of old HW stuff-Am I correct in my assumtion here? I sure am enjoying this, tho-I keep finding new cool tunes to listen to!! (god's-I sound like a teenager now :) ) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > i never recieved the last purchase i made from kadu flyer, which was live > business trip when it > was NEW, so i wouldnt advise using them for an outlet. Very wise. The Bruces are good people but almost wholly unreliable :/ Cheers, Carl From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 11 06:04:50 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:04:50 UT Subject: BOC: Final Morning Final Message-ID: Got my MF14 this morning - quite a lot in there, including John Shirley talking about the new songs. One little thing that did catch my eye was a mention of a BBC recording (from 22 June 1981) that might be released on the Windsong label - Bolle didn't list a venue, is that Donington or Victoria? The Hawkwind and Amon Duul 2 recordings in the Windsong series are both very good quality and packaging-wise, and the Victoria show was brilliant, so that's one I'd snap up! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Tue Mar 11 11:33:32 1997 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (m.r.varley) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:33:32 GMT+0 Subject: BBC BOC recording Message-ID: The Victoria (Venue) Soft White Underbelly show (excellent!) was 19 August 1981, the Donnington show (poor) was 22 August 1981 - maybe this refers to the Donnington show and the month is wrong?? Martin > Got my MF14 this morning - quite a lot in there, including John Shirley > talking about the new songs. One little thing that did catch my eye was a > mention of a BBC recording (from 22 June 1981) that might be released on the > Windsong label - Bolle didn't list a venue, is that Donington or Victoria? > The Hawkwind and Amon Duul 2 recordings in the Windsong series are both very > good quality and packaging-wise, and the Victoria show was brilliant, so > that's one I'd snap up! > > - Andy > > Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 11 04:29:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:29:15 +0000 Subject: NIK : ICU discs In-Reply-To: <332515DA.7D9F@micron.net> Message-ID: In message <332515DA.7D9F at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes >Thank you!! >Sounds interesting to me!! The one I've got seems (to my limited >experience) to be alot of old HW stuff-Am I correct in my assumtion >here? I sure am enjoying this, tho-I keep finding new cool tunes to >listen to!! (god's-I sound like a teenager now :) ) >Pam Yes, Past Or Future is mainly HW covers with a couple of Calvert solo covers. All the ICU covers are on Prophets of Time (CLEO69802) Anyone got a clue as to the track listing on the "imminent" Sonic Attack 2001? -- Jon Browne From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Mar 11 09:42:48 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:42:48 CST Subject: Moorcock/Calvert demo tape Message-ID: Hi all, I rec'd Henrik's tape in the mail on Saturday (thanks Henrik!), and will be making copies for Dave Cohen thus far (I know Pam and I think one other person had expressed interest also). If you are interested, please email me at my non-work account: iscladoc at idir.net Thanks, Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 09:19:07 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:19:07 -0700 Subject: HW- Kadu Flyer Annoyance Message-ID: Last I heard the people who run this fanzine are not even able to return to the USA, something about being stranded in Europe i.e. no money. Dane From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 11 10:13:46 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:13:46 +0800 Subject: HW: Steve Pond (ICU) and Ami Hassinen on Bob Calvert Message-ID: Hi all I just heard "Toxygene", the latest single by The Orb. I am a fan of their music, but I must say this track bares more than just a passing similarity to the Dave Brock track which appears on Agents of Chaos, once as an instrumental, then again with lyrics. I think it was "A Day in the Office", if my memory serves me right??? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 11 10:17:03 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:17:03 +0800 Subject: HW: (NOT)Steve Pond (ICU) and Ami Hassinen on Bob Calvert Message-ID: Oooops!! Sorry about the wrong heading then. Since the place that upgraded my PC stuffed things up, I've been reusing old mail and then adjusting the info. I haven't got round to updating my address list. William From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 10:23:44 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:23:44 -0700 Subject: HW- Love in Space Message-ID: Well I said I didn't care much for Alien4. I get Love in Space anyway,it is, well, awesome. I am stunned by how good I think this is, easily comparable to any 'great' HW stuff. 27 years and they still do it. Looks like a interesting stage thing going on (I said looks, I do not know firsthand.) I find Ron Tree of the same ilk as Bob C. They have a similar style, I thought this on Alien4 and hearing Deathtrap w/ Ron, it works very easily. And now that Ron is the bass player as well, I guess I'd better like him, he's in. Are the songs done any better on LiS, or did I catch Alien4 on a bad day. Of course I was home alone and played LiS REALLY LOUD. Of course I wish they could have worked PXR5 into the set, it would fit IMO. But in all a really great album. Alien I Am is excellent, Dave B. constanly comes up with great songs, year after year. Dane annoying comment on what I am listening to right now: Astralasia-Seven Pointed Star From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 10:29:20 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:29:20 -0700 Subject: HW-Dave B ST & PD Message-ID: Just got Dave solo album, Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams. I love it. It doesn't quite sound like an 'album', sorta unfinished sounding pieces at times, which kinda goes along with the album title. But it's all good stuff. As usual Dave conjurs up themes or songs from the past, it's what I love the the band, you cannot ignore a good riff. You almost expect a warnig label, this audio adventure may be heightend by the use of non-prescription glacoma medicine. DAne From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Mar 11 11:34:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:34:15 GMT Subject: Is Ron playing bass live with Hawkwind? Message-ID: Hello Is Ron playing bass live with Hawkwind? As well as Alan? Now that would be good. I liked 2 drummers in the 70s and would certainly like to bass players playing together, for at least some of the time. After all if they can have 2 guitars, 2 keyboard players, 2 drummers then why not 2 bass players. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 10:49:16 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:49:16 -0700 Subject: HW-Text of Festival Message-ID: I wish EBS would get their hands on this. The CD release sucks, cutting the 1st "improve" piece. ToF is really great album. Recording is a bit off, but for the years is chronicles what the hell. This is a peek into early HW. The LP (mine skips at places, bad pressing.) consists of a Great line-up, although the CD says Dave Anderson on Bass and the LP says Thomas Crimble. Both are good players. Lots of solid Space Jamming. Dane (insert CD remark here) From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 11 11:17:12 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:17:12 -0600 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Jason> "For me the tracks from F/K were what made the "career of evil" compilation amazing (the ear shattering demolition that ME 262 evoked immediately became the standard of what all shows should sound like when they end); they roared into my ear and made the 1st live disc my first boc cd in the early 90's." Couldn't agree more. What a sonic attack ME 262 is as represented on F/K. I'm on record (or am now) of not liking 7 Screaming Dizbusters, nothing wrong with the music its just the "flirtation" thing that Eric does. Yet on F/K its comparable to ME 262, slams you hard, its unrelenting. Whenever I listen to this one I find myself in the pits at the USAir Arena (fomerly Capital Center) reliving this concert. This band visually and sonically was amazing and they didn't need makeup or pyrotechnics. Theo>"Kind of apples and oranges, I guess. The two bands were working different sides of the street..." By this are you referring to a style of music? I saw both these shows within a few weeks of each other. BOC show was after Kiss, both were headliners, but to me there was little comparison; BOC was a much better band. There was more emotion in their playing. Thats the only comparison I'm trying to make. Stylistically can you compare Ace to Buck? I don't think so. Theo>"I can understand why the band wasn't wild about releasing SEE: two cover tunes, and a couple that had just been on albums. While I love the version of DFtR, I could have done with a full-on 2-disc set myself. A good record, but somewhat unnecessary. They would've done better by putting out a bunch of neglected stuff that didn't make the first live one, most notedly Stairway..." Could not agree more, SEE in retrospect was a waste. DFtR is great and I love Astronomy, but other than these two tracks there was nothing else on SEE I liked. Covers were well played but when you have as much great material as they had and were playing in those days why put two covers on a single live album? I think Columbia was trying to take advantage of BOC's live personality. They pulled similar gaffes with Mahagony Rush. Marino was the same way and he too was with Columbia. Tales of the unexpected is half studio and half live and there are plenty of other live recordings of Frank. Both BOC and Frank had tremendous appeal live. Speaking of obvious omissions how about Flaming Telepaths, OD On Life Itself and Dominance and Submission to go along with Stairways. Theo>"Anybody see this month's Guitar World? The previous issue listed the 100 greatest guitarists all time. Somebody wrote them a letter asking how they could leave BD off the list. And it wasn't a BOC-Ler either [least I don't think so]. So I guess BOC will have an historical presence, just maybe not of the magnitude that we all know they deserve" Again history being unkind to our heros. A couple of years back some magazine did a survey of the top 100 metal riffs of all time. BOC got one mention for "zilla which was somewhere in the middle of the pack. Bands like Sab and Kiss had multiple entires on the list. I think Bad Company had at least two. Go figure. Gotta go find the new Threshold. lil ab From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 11:02:45 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:02:45 -0700 Subject: Is Ron playing bass? Message-ID: Alan's out, Ron's in at the moment. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 11 11:57:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:57:12 UT Subject: HW: Is Ron playing bass live with Hawkwind? Message-ID: >Is Ron playing bass live with Hawkwind? As well as Alan? I think the idea is "instead of", not "as well as"... - Andy ObScary - hearing J-M Jarre's "Oxygene 8", and quite liking it! :) Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Mar 11 12:23:44 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:23:44 -0700 Subject: NIK : ICU discs Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > Yes, Past Or Future is mainly HW covers with a couple of Calvert solo > covers. All the ICU covers are on Prophets of Time (CLEO69802) Thank you!! Now I need to hear the origionals!! My friend has given me more new tunes!! Included in which are the first two HW albums:) He's got more for me-but won't tell me what-likes to surprise me!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Adrian; >Could not agree more, SEE in retrospect was a waste. DFtR is great and >I love Astronomy, but other than these two tracks there was nothing else >on SEE I liked. Covers were well played but when you have as much great >material as they had and were playing in those days why put two covers >on a single live album? I think Columbia was trying to take advantage >of BOC's live personality. They pulled similar gaffes with Mahagony >Rush. Marino was the same way and he too was with Columbia. Tales of >the unexpected is half studio and half live and there are plenty of >other live recordings of Frank. Both BOC and Frank had tremendous >appeal live. Speaking of obvious omissions how about Flaming Telepaths, >OD On Life Itself and Dominance and Submission to go along with >Stairways. > Maybe you're right... but isn't fun to hear somethingelse sometimes? And the only good place to put a cover (or two) is on a live-album. (But I've got to admit that I'm not THAT fond of SEE myself either.) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Mar 11 12:33:00 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:33:00 -0700 Subject: HW-Dave B ST & PD Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > > Just got Dave solo album, Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams. I love it. It doesn't quite sound like an 'album', sorta unfinished sounding pieces at times, which kinda goes along with the album title. But it's all good stuff. As usual Dave conjurs up themes or songs from the past, it's what I love the the band, you cannot ignore a good riff. You almost expect a warnig label, this audio adventure may be heightend by the use of non-prescription glacoma medicine. > > DAne Dane: I agree with you in the fact that alot of HW listening is enhanced by this non-precscription medication!! I have LoS, but not Alien 4 :( and I would really like to hear this!!) And I love it!!. In fact, alot of the music I listen to can be "medically" enhanced for better listening!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I wonder if he retired from Hawkwind forever or he will work on their next album and live tour? Corwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 11 12:17:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:17:58 EDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > Theo>"Kind of apples and oranges, I guess. The two bands were working > different sides of the street..." > > By this are you referring to a style of music? I saw both these shows > within a few weeks of each other. BOC show was after Kiss, both were > headliners, but to me there was little comparison; BOC was a much better > band. There was more emotion in their playing. Thats the only > comparison I'm trying to make. Stylistically can you compare Ace to > Buck? I don't think so. > I was thinking both musical complexity and core audience. Hard to make head-to-head comparissons of the musicians, but certainly Ace can't compare to BD as a player--and this isn't to put Ace down. Certain songs require different guitar treatment. Pete Townshend never was a blazing lead player, but I'd rank him one of the all-time greatest rocks gtrsts simply due to his overall contribution to the art form. Even at the time you saw them, it's likely BOC drew an older crowd, and there's the crossover of prog-rockers and sci-fi fans to BOC that I don't envision drawing such folks to be Kiss fans. Like they say: 20 million fans can't be wrong! > > Again history being unkind to our heros. A couple of years back some > magazine did a survey of the top 100 metal riffs of all time. BOC got > one mention for "zilla which was somewhere in the middle of the pack. > Bands like Sab and Kiss had multiple entires on the list. I think Bad > Company had at least two. Go figure. > > Gotta go find the new Threshold. > > lil ab Wow! No mention of CoFWRaR? If that ain't a riff, I don't know what they need! Granted, Sab is very riff-oriented, and BOC isn't always, but really! theo From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Tue Mar 11 12:58:33 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:58:33 -0700 Subject: HW- was> Alan Davey Message-ID: In the HW universe anything can happen. It's not like he walked out, and revolving doors go both ways. One of the cool things about HW is the turnover rate. Keeps the band sounding fresh, original. Dane From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Tue Mar 11 15:14:19 1997 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Riordan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:14:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: BOXED SET Message-ID: I had heard that there was a problem finding the 3Disk set (BOC, TM, ST). BlockBuster Music does not carry it any more, but they ordered it for me. Ordered on Monday arrived Firday (March 7th). Just in case anyone still wants it; it cost a little less than buying two of the disks seperately. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 11 15:30:38 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:30:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Final Morning Final Message-ID: In a message dated 97-03-11 12:38:02 EST, Andy wrote: << One little thing that did catch my eye was a mention of a BBC recording (from 22 June 1981) that might be released on the Windsong label - Bolle didn't list a venue, is that Donington or Victoria? >> Per Bolle's tapelist, it's from "Unknown". It's just listed as BBC Rock Hour. :-( R. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 11 12:16:57 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:16:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Networking Control Operations Message-ID: first thing's first. apologeez to all for wasting bandwidth. but since i consider most of you or all of you "friendlies", i decided to turn to you for help. THIS REQUEST IS ONLY DIRECTED TO ANYONE WORKING AS A COMPUTER NETWORKING PROFESSIONAL! Or failing that, anyone who works with computers in a technical capacity. if any listmember is a networking specialist, of any sort, would you please e-mail me privately so that i can ask you a few questions? it is an assignment i have for school, and it only involves 5 or 6 quick and easy questions, that can be answered in a few sentences. no personal questions, and nothing that would compromise any security. i have a friday deadline, so any help would be GREATLY appreciated. thanks again, and with further apologies, rj ron jennings From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 11 17:18:59 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:18:59 UT Subject: BOC: 7 Screaming etc Message-ID: >. I'm on record (or am now) of not liking 7 Screaming Dizbusters, >nothing wrong with the music its just the "flirtation" thing that Eric >does. Not sure I understand you, Adrian - can you be more specific? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Mar 11 19:16:32 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:16:32 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Tabs? Message-ID: Is anybody else as surprised as I am that the archives don't contain any transcriptions of Hawkwind songs? Maybe that's because they're all so easy...still, it seems like the guitar-minded out there would have contributed something. I know a few Hawkwind tunes I could contribute if there's any interest.... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Mar 11 21:27:25 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:27:25 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, squinn wrote: > >> Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. And on Friday Peter William Worley wrote: >And when they're done, send 'em up to Seattle. :o You may both get your wishes this summer. What part of Florida? Al From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 12 00:02:45 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:02:45 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: >>On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, squinn wrote: >> >>> Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. > >And on Friday Peter William Worley wrote: > >>And when they're done, send 'em up to Seattle. :o > >You may both get your wishes this summer. What part of Florida? I'm in West Palm Beach, but I'll travel just about anywhere this side of Jacksonville for a show... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 12 03:32:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:32:33 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Tabs? Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 11, 1997 7:16 pm "John Majka" wrote: > Is anybody else as surprised as I am that the archives don't contain any > transcriptions of Hawkwind songs? Maybe that's because they're all so > easy...still, it seems like the guitar-minded out there would have > contributed something. I know a few Hawkwind tunes I could contribute if > there's any interest.... Actually, I've been meaning to ask the list about some HW bass tabs. For example, that distinctive bass riff Lemmy plays in "Lord of Light". I can get close to it, but it doesn't sound quite right the way I play it. I think some mental block is keeping me from hearing the notes on the record quite right. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 12 04:12:14 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:12:14 GMT Subject: OFF: Ptolemaic Terrascope Message-ID: Looks like there's a Ptolemaic Terrascope web page: http://web.mit.edu/jonb/www/pt/ Cheers, Carl From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 11 23:42:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 04:42:07 -0000 Subject: OFF: re: Networking..THANKS! Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded... paul, kevin, johan, and anyone whose response is already on the way. Thanks as well to anyone who intended to help and didnt get to it yet. And thanks to the rest of the list for their patience! =) I have enuff information now (including replies not from the list), to work up the report.. thanks again. rj OB Dual Project: making a sampler HW tape for a new convert. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 04:59:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:59:00 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: corwin's mail of Tue, 11 Mar 97 20:59 +0300 Message-ID: On 11 Mar 17:59, corwin wrote: > I wonder if he retired from Hawkwind forever or he will work on their > next album and live tour? The reports on this list suggest that he will continue to work in the studio and where he can on live gigs. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Mar 12 05:34:27 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:34:27 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: Central Florida Al - Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne area whould be Great ! If you need the names of some local clubs, let me know. Great seeing on the chat last night ! Shawn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 11 13:00:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:11 +0000 Subject: HW- Love in Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Dane Carlson writes >Are the songs done any better on LiS, or did I catch Alien4 on a bad day. No, it's, um, like you just, kinda, get into it, man! (I did say you would! ) It's just the "new HW album" effect..... -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Mar 12 09:18:04 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:18:04 -0700 Subject: HW-Drummers (Wastelands of Message-ID: Having been on a major HW binge of late I find myself noticing the weak link in the band. Of all the people through the Airlock of the SS HW, they have had some great people, esp. bassists IMO. However I notice that the drummers in the band, well (I am no musician, so my complete lack of skills helps in judging others:) haven't been as lucky. Favorite drummers: Alan Powell, Richard Chadwick Least favorite Drummers: Danny Thompson, Martin Griffin dane From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 12 05:31:17 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:31:17 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Tabs? In-Reply-To: <199703120016.TAA06287@wcic.org> Message-ID: In message <199703120016.TAA06287 at wcic.org>, John Majka writes >Is anybody else as surprised as I am that the archives don't contain any >transcriptions of Hawkwind songs? Maybe that's because they're all so >easy...still, it seems like the guitar-minded out there would have >contributed something. I know a few Hawkwind tunes I could contribute if >there's any interest.... > >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org I'd be very interested. When it comes to the guitar, I need all the help I can get! I have actually made this suggestion before but with no takers....... -- Jon Browne From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Mar 12 11:13:56 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:13:56 -0700 Subject: tBS: 1997 US Tour ?? Message-ID: >>> Albert T Bouchard 03/11/97 07:27pm >>> >On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, squinn wrote: > >> Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. And on Friday Peter William Worley wrote: >And when they're done, send 'em up to Seattle. :o You may both get your wishes this summer. What part of Florida? Al >>>>>>>>>>>. If you are coming west this year Al, could you make a stop in Salt Lake. There are at least 2 Brad's here that will come to see the band. Besides, the west is nice this time of year. That's what they say... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us PS. Laura's plastic swords...... got to love it.. From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Mar 12 11:19:41 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:19:41 -0700 Subject: tBS: BoH Message-ID: Ok, I've listened to BoH about 100 times now. Love the album. I recorded the start of St. Vitus and tried playing it backwards but the computer sound card has too much noise. It muffles the recording. What is being said? Anyone figure this out yet? I also remember someone saying that they heard a short clip of Beavis (of Beavis and Butthead fame) in the background of one of the songs. Which song was it? BoH is really a great album. I'm still laughing at cappuccino- Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us Where's that confounded BOC album...... From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 12 12:35:22 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:35:22 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Tabs? In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <199703120016.TAA06287 at wcic.org>, John Majka > writes > >Is anybody else as surprised as I am that the archives don't contain any > >transcriptions of Hawkwind songs? Maybe that's because they're all so > >easy...still, it seems like the guitar-minded out there would have > >contributed something. I know a few Hawkwind tunes I could contribute if > >there's any interest.... > > > >John Majka > >flossbac at wcic.org > > I'd be very interested. When it comes to the guitar, I need all the help > I can get! I have actually made this suggestion before but with no > takers....... I assumed that this was because of certain pecuniary complications involved with the impermissible transference of originally conceptualised material information effecting an assumed capitalistic aggrandisement of individual emolument rather than solely for the furtherance of the pursuit of knowledge. But I could be wrong. In other words - don't you run up against a copyright problem? jill obHazardOfWorkingTooLate> logorrhea ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 12 12:50:52 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:50:52 GMT Subject: HW-Drummers (Wastelands of In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > Having been on a major HW binge of late I find myself noticing the > weak link in the band. Of all the people through the Airlock of the > SS HW, they have had some great people, esp. bassists IMO. However I > notice that the drummers in the band, well (I am no> musician, so my > complete lack of skills helps in judging others:) haven't been as lucky. > > Favorite drummers: Alan Powell, Richard Chadwick Yeah - I admit I speak from musical ignorance too but purely from a listening point of view I must say that for me Richard Chadwick has to be one of the finest drummers around and I'm surprised he doesn't get more notice. His ability to not only vary the drum type and sound but to seamlessly carry the beat of the track along with the rhythm of the other instruments without becoming overwhelmingly intrusive is for me the vital, if not the essential part of the perfect Hawkwind sound. I think he's wonderful! > Least favorite Drummers: Danny Thompson, Martin Griffin and Ginger Baker 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 12 13:41:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: tBS: BoH Message-ID: >St. Vitus and tried playing it backwards but the computer sound card has too much noise. It muffles the recording. What is being said? Sorta sounded like someone sayining "help me" to me... >I also remember someone saying that they heard a short clip of Beavis (of Beavis and Butthead fame) in the background of one of the songs. Which song was it? I'm on Fire -- after Deb sings about being "free" (sorry, the lyrics aren't coming to me today), you can hear a snippet that sounds like Beavis saying, "Free, yeah, heh-heh, free..." or words to that effect. At least that's what it sounds like to me... >Where's that confounded BOC album...... Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 12 09:44:57 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:44:57 -0600 Subject: BOC - Styles, Covers & 7 Screaming Diz Message-ID: >>Maybe you're right... but isn't fun to hear somethingelse sometimes? >>And the only good place to put a cover (or two) is on a live-album. >>(But I've got to admit that I'm not THAT fond of SEE myself either.) > -Daniel Oh no real problem with a band doing a cover, especially a well played song. Hopefully its not a complete note for note rendition, some slight variations that make it a little different. Dylan's Watchtower comes to mind. I love the original, the Hendrix and the Marino version, they all have subtle differences. Its just that on SEE, a single live album, Columbia used two covers at the expense of some great originals the band was playing in those days. Maybe no one was happy with all of the originals but two covers on a single live album? Just dosen't work > >Ted>"I was thinking both musical complexity and core audience. Hard to >make head-to-head comparissons of the musicians, but certainly Ace >can't compare to BD as a player--and this isn't to put Ace down. >Certain songs require different guitar treatment. Pete Townshend >never was a blazing lead player, but I'd rank him one of the all-time >greatest rocks gtrsts simply due to his overall contribution to the >art form. Even at the time you saw them, it's likely BOC drew an >older crowd, and there's the crossover of prog-rockers and sci-fi >fans to BOC that I don't envision drawing such folks to be Kiss fans. Like they say: 20 million fans can't be wrong!" Thanks for clearing that up for me. But this is 1975 we are talking about and for the most part we all seemed about the same age, high school and college kids. Both bands were too young to have the grey >beard following they have now. >> >lil ab> Again history being unkind to our heros. A >> > Theo>"Wow! No mention of CoFWRaR? If that ain't a riff, I don't know >what they need! Granted, Sab is very riff-oriented, and BOC isn't always, but really!" As I thumbed through the list I was surprised at some of the things I saw. I don't know who compiles these things but I imagine it would have >been a lot different if regular people voted. > >lil ab>. I'm on record (or am now) of not liking 7 Screaming Dizbusters, >>nothing wrong with the music its just the "flirtation" thing that Eric >>does. > Andy>"Not sure I understand you, Adrian - can you be more specific?" Sure but it may not make sense. When I was younger I veiwed this song and the lyrics as glorifying Satan. I never considered that the whole thing may be tongue in cheek. Anyhow, back then, I wrote this song off becuase of the lyrics and Eric's mono. I would certainly crank it when the lyrics were not clear but I would always move the needle past the mono. Musically I like to think I have matured and consider all aspects of a song, it may be all tongue in cheek, but in that time frame it offended me. Its like liver, didn't like it as a kid and still don't like it now. New Threshold has been pushed back to the end of the month. 8>(. Anybody hear a rumor that Damn Yankees is reforming with Sammy Haggar on vocals? lil ab obcd - Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime. ************************************************************************ **** > >THEORY: The quantity of consonants in the English language is constant. > If omitted in one place, they turn up in another. When a Bostonian > "pahks" his "cah," the lost r's migrate southwest, causing a > Texan to "warsh" his car and invest in "erl wells." ************************************************************************ **** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 12 12:54:22 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:54:22 EDT Subject: chat Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Where's that confounded BOC album...... > > Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... > > > John John, Can you post the sad story? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 12 13:04:49 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:04:49 EDT Subject: BOC - Styles, Covers & 7 Screaming Diz Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > > >lil ab>. I'm on record (or am now) of not liking 7 Screaming Dizbusters, > >>nothing wrong with the music its just the "flirtation" thing that Eric > >>does. > > > Andy>"Not sure I understand you, Adrian - can you be more specific?" > > Sure but it may not make sense. When I was younger I veiwed this song > and the lyrics as glorifying Satan. I never considered that the whole > thing may be tongue in cheek. Anyhow, back then, I wrote this song off > becuase of the lyrics and Eric's mono. I would certainly crank it when > the lyrics were not clear but I would always move the needle past the > mono. Musically I like to think I have matured and consider all > aspects of a song, it may be all tongue in cheek, but in that time frame > it offended me. Its like liver, didn't like it as a kid and still don't > like it now. > I figured a lot of folks would take the intro as being homoerotic, which it is, but I think it's a send up. As far as satanism goes, I think that's a joke too, maybe spoofing the people who saw the band's dark image as meaning they were devil worshipers or something? Al? > New Threshold has been pushed back to the end of the month. 8>(. > > Anybody hear a rumor that Damn Yankees is reforming with Sammy Haggar on > vocals? > > lil ab > I've heard the same rumor. Whoopee! theo From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Mar 12 15:08:56 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:08:56 -0500 Subject: BOC - Styles, Covers & 7 Screaming Diz Message-ID: Theo writes, regarding 7 screaming dizbusters: > I figured a lot of folks would take the intro as being homoerotic, > which it is, but I think it's a send up. You, sir, are banished to pit of hell ruled by the professor who taught my SF and Fantasy classes, who saw phallic symbols in anything that wasn't spherical. From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Mar 12 15:12:24 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:12:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? Message-ID: Recently someone posted a rumor here about the demise of Griffin's Hawkwind department. I didn't believe it at the time. Suddenly all Griffin Hawkwind releases vanished from all stores near me, and I had a terrible thought that maybe they've been banished to cutout-land. Does anyone have any more info about this rumor and/or the state of Griffin? From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 12 15:31:47 1997 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (Robert W. Prince) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:31:47 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply Message-ID: Albert, I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL, and I'd be there. Robert Prince From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Mar 12 14:41:40 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:41:40 -0700 Subject: HW- Griffin rumor? Message-ID: Griffin is in financial trouble. The trouble concerns a David Bowie CD, Live at Santa Monica, which was sold to them, they thought, on the up and up, problem was, it wasn't. And now Bowie wants like 2 million or something in damages. This is what I heard, have no actual proof, but the source was good. The future of Griffin is unclear. I really hope they make it. DAne From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Mar 12 15:53:49 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:53:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: Hey folks.... Ab said: >Could not agree more, SEE in retrospect was a waste. DFtR is great and >I love Astronomy, but other than these two tracks there was nothing else >on SEE I liked. OK, so SEE is not my choice either for album of the year, and certainly the highlight *IS* the live version of Astronomy, but when it comes to that album, it seems most people tend to overlook my favorite track on it: R U READY 2 ROCK!! Although Spectres remains one of my all time fave albums (for many reasons), my least fave song on it has always been R U READY 2 ROCK. Its a well written track that just seems to come across sort of bland to me. Now the LIVE SEE version, to me, just smokes like nothing else on the album. I love the way this version just kicks, and doesn't let up. So it goes without saying that, for me, Side A of SEE works well. Side 2 would have been OK as is, provided there was a side 3 and a side 4 to come after it. Some other live versions from the 2 previous albums (can you say Nosferatu?) would have been killer. I'm outta here... Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "I've told you a million times; Do not exaggerate!" ******************************************************************* From robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM Wed Mar 12 16:05:02 1997 From: robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM (Robbie Laliberte) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:05:02 -0500 Subject: tBS: BoH Message-ID: ---------- > From: John A Swartz > Date: Wednesday, March 12, 1997 1:41 PM > >Where's that confounded BOC album...... > > Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... > John WHAT NOW?!! Don't tell me its been delayed again? Last I heard was June... please, please, please tell me its not later than that??!?! sometimes I hear echoes of empires spread throughout the sky Chariot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 12 16:10:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:10:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: Hey, SEE was the live album that BOC wanted OYFOOYK to be - well, partially. The band was NOT happy with OYFOOYK when it came out, and SEE was partly to address some of the sins of commission and omission that OYFOOYK made (this is not meant to start a discussion on the goodness or badness of OYFOOYK - I'm just reiterating what I understand to be the band's opinion of it in the mid-70's). Besides, SEE has to have one of the coolest covers of any BOC album (I'm talking album cover, not song cover here). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 12 16:19:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: chat Message-ID: >> >Where's that confounded BOC album...... > > Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... > > > John John, Can you post the sad story? Well, the sad story is as follows: Buck came on the chat last night - and within about a minute of course the topic turned to "Ezekiel's Wheel". Buck said that trouble with finding a distribution deal is probably going to push the album back 6 months (the cries of anguish on the chat immediately afterward were deafening). Oddly (or perhaps not) enough, that was the end of the discussion. I tried a few times to pry for more info/progress, but other than Buck (jokingly so he said) saying that "the cynics are right" (more below), no-one else wanted to probe further. Eric came on line later in the evening, stayed on for all of about 10 minutes (I think), and didn't enlighten further (although, I did get dropped from AOL for about 5 minutes - right before Eric's arrival - so it's possible that I missed something). Melne was on for about an hour - Bolle again was absent. Of course, Albert was on and that kept some other discussion lively. It's encouraging to see what appears to be growing support for tBS over there. Regarding Buck's "joke" - much later in the evening, I pried again asking Buck if he could provide some positive progress on the album as I'd like to reassure several cynics that don't believe the album will come out. Buck replied "The cynics may be right". A few seconds later, however, he did say that there should've been a smiley after that remark. But - no further details were given. I'll go over my chat log and see if I can find some more exact quotes to post here. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 12 15:47:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:47:37 EDT Subject: chat Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Subject: Re: chat > > Well, the sad story is as follows: > > Buck came on the chat last night - and within about a minute of course > the topic turned to "Ezekiel's Wheel". Buck said that trouble with > finding a distribution deal is probably going to push the album back > 6 months (the cries of anguish on the chat immediately afterward were > deafening). Oddly (or perhaps not) enough, that was the end of the > discussion. I tried a few times to pry for more info/progress, but other > than Buck (jokingly so he said) saying that "the cynics are right" (more > below), no-one else wanted to probe further. Eric came on line later in > the evening, stayed on for all of about 10 minutes (I think), and didn't > enlighten further (although, I did get dropped from AOL for about 5 minutes - > right before Eric's arrival - so it's possible that I missed something). > Melne was on for about an hour - Bolle again was absent. > Man, these guys really are something! You'd think that with a summer of wheezer festivals coming up, that they'd move heaven and earth to get a new record out. For crissakes, I hear Steppenwolf are readying a new record [though that might be some kind of greatest hits thing]. Anything would help, even the BBC record [though I wonder if the band even has any control over its release. Maybe all that stuff's Sony-owned? John?] theo > From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Mar 12 16:59:47 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:59:47 CST Subject: Moorcock/Calvert demo Message-ID: Henrik said: >Hope you like the tracks on the tape Allan! Sound-quality is OK and it_s >certainly one of my favorite tapes. I hope to have the time to listen to it later tonight or at least by the weekend. >I wish EBS could do a CD in future with these "odd" tracks combined with a >nice booklet. I wonder if there_s more in the Moorcock/Calvert vaults? Given some of the comments MM has made before re: his music--like the stuff he wrote way back for his first late '50's demo doesn't exist--as stated in _The Tanelorn Archives_, but there's material on the Nomads tape he made from then (plus given what a pack rat he seems to have been re: the material @ the MM deposit in Houston)--I'm inclined to think that he's got a fair amount of stuff hidden away that would be worth releasing. The problem would lie in convincing MM that it was worth releasing.... Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Mar 12 17:54:47 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:54:47 -0700 Subject: tBS: BoH -Reply Message-ID: >Where's that confounded BOC album...... Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... John >>>>>>>>> Don't leave us hanging, John. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Mar 12 19:05:23 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:05:23 -0600 Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? Message-ID: You wrote: > >Recently someone posted a rumor here about the demise of Griffin's >Hawkwind department. I didn't believe it at the time. >Suddenly all Griffin Hawkwind releases vanished from all stores near me, Griffin's sister company and distribution wing, Feedback, has gone belly-up. This has probably taken the Griffin label with it. Stock here, as well, is drying up. But don't fret for long. From what I understand, once the Griffin contract is dead it won't take long for another entity to step in. Bottom line - HW disks sell. Wylie From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Mar 12 19:27:44 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:27:44 -0500 Subject: BOC : Club Ninja Liner Notes -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: >>On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, squinn wrote: >> >>> Now - all I have to do is to convince Al/Deb to play in FL. > >And on Friday Peter William Worley wrote: > >>And when they're done, send 'em up to Seattle. :o > >You may both get your wishes this summer. What part of Florida? >Al > Tampa, Tampa, Tampa!!!! Richard From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Mar 12 20:21:01 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:21:01 -0500 Subject: BOC - Styles, Covers & 7 Screaming Diz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've rarely posted on this group, but, because I was sitting in the audience at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta, I thought I say a thing or two about BOC's SEE. Two buddies and I made the trek from Athens, GA (REM, T Graham Brown, B-52's) for the concert. If you've never been inside the Fox Theatre, you owe yourself a good concert there. I got it with BOC. The Fox had been built in the 20's (I believe) with spiraling minarets flanking the exterior. Within a number of smaller rooms flanked the large central theatre (I'm clueless about all those other doors--and I've already thought about the line from Astronomy). The main theater is a spacious and as comfortable as you'd every want. Around the lower portion of the ceiling is a backlit cityscape of Altanta from the days when the Fox was new. Overhead, stars moved like a planetarium show. Our seats assigned seats had vanished under bridge-of-the-USS-Enterprise sized mixing panel, etc. One of the guys on the panel, looked down on us from his lofty perch and said, "Here's ya new tickets." The new tickets moved us down 10 rows. Holy shit! This is great. Then, one of my buds tried to get us in trouble by long distance flirting with some of the most striking (strange?) women I've ever seen. Each one of these tall beauties wore pancake white make-up, orange-brown rouge and cheek coloring, and had orange hair (not red, not shaded, Orange!) They also had a single male escort. He didn't look patient or particularly happy to have my friend trying to establish some bedroom time with these gals. I finally told him that the girls were witches and if he didn't cool his jets they were going to either whip his ass or whip some bad mojo on him. I think when their escort turned around that last time and indicated that my friend might find himself "swimming with the fishes", he shut up. Now, for the concert itself. BOC's opening band was called Angel. All wore white suits, all teleported on the stage, all performed at the top of their lungs, and all left the stage, finally. BOC's sound check and stage setup ended with the Who's Pinball Wizard. Next, the lights dimmed and we got that strange random noise intro that some people have referred to. As the noise declined, an announcer gave the famous, "Atlanta, Ga. Please welcome..." When I heard SEE months later, I was surprised to see how silent the intro was. My memory told me then that it was noisy as Hell and that the announcer stepped on the "Random Noise" intro. In fact, I have long thought that there was a slightly different opening to RURTR. (Only Al knows for sure). As EB pointed out, the Fox was the first Southern show that BOC had headlined and sold out. BOC had a tremendous "cult" following in the South. I think, from the effort that BOC put into the show, they wanted a few more recordings from the concert. However, one prick may have altered musical history that night. Bottle rockets. Stupid people shouldn't be sold matches and bottle rockets. On several occassions, members of the band had to jump out of the way or use their guitars as shields because some idiot kept launching bottle rockets at the stage. Finally, EB paused the concert to very profanely (and I can't blame him) describe the putz's obvious personality and suggest an action to the person standing next to him. Paraphased, tell him or her that he or she is a flagrantly obnoxious person and deposit your knuckles in their mouth. I do not know what happened next, I couldn't and didn't see anything. But my deepest wish is that the moron with the fireworks spent the next twenty minutes picking up their teeth. There were a lot of neat songs played that night. I don't remember the order. Roughly, they were: RURTR, Stairway to the Stars, This Ain't the Summer of Love, Harvester of Eyes, ME 262, We gotta Get out of this Place, Godzilla (Al donned a Godzilla head for part of the drum solo and then left the drums to cavort on the stage while someone else played drums behind him), Astronomy, BTBW. The only encore I remember was DFTR. They did play one more encore, but I don't remember what is was. My only complaint of the entire show is that at times the show seemed to "staged" or choreographed. I had seen BOC the year before at a mega concert in Atlanta stadium featuring 38 Special, Bob Seeger, Johnny and Edgar Winter, BOC, KISS. Rain had delayed the show and Al played his heart out on drums until the rain subsided enough for BOC to come back out. At this concert, Al didn't seem on top of his game. Anyway, to make a long story short (too late!), the SEE concert I saw was a blast, although, a little too stiff. Some good songs might have been lost thanks to one thoughtless idiot. And, for shear performance strength, the concerts should have been recorded a year earlier (based on what I HEARD PERFORMED). One closing thought, somewhere I have the SEE vinyl with two ticked stubs taped to the inner dust jacket. Stuffed into the album is a top quarter page photo of BOC performing (you see only EB and BD in a red-orange cloud of fog) with the caption--"Smoke, lasers, even music" from the year-in-review Atlanta Journal/Constitution. With best regards, Richard From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Mar 12 20:26:40 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:26:40 -0500 Subject: tBS: BoH In-Reply-To: <199703121841.NAA17497@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>Where's that confounded BOC album...... > >Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... > Dear John, What do you mean? Sigh. Richard From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Mar 12 20:31:20 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:31:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? In-Reply-To: <199703122110.QAA08508@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, John A Swartz wrote: >SEE was partly to address some of the sins of commission and omission >that OYFOOYK made (this is not meant to start a discussion on the >goodness or badness of OYFOOYK - I'm just reiterating what I understand >to be the band's opinion of it in the mid-70's). > >John > John, I've seen this line in the FAQ. What sins of commission and omission? Seemed like a good album to me. Sorry, don't me to start a discussion but that line about commission and omission has always bugged me. Richard From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Mar 12 21:36:58 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:36:58 +1000 Subject: HW: Dave on the Net Message-ID: Yup, you read right ... DAVE HAS AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!! He mailed me this morning after surfing my pages: > This is The Hawkwind Mothership calling from Mission Control with Captain > Brock at the Helm. We are now flying online. Make contact. DB and KT and then: > Hello Paul, > Just had great fun zooming around on your site, but I am just a barbarian > in the computer world, back to the manual. Oh for the day that I can talk > to it and it understands (Next Generation). > Dave Brock I'll try to convince him to join the BOC-L ranks .... (Happy happy happy) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 12 23:23:15 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:23:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Alan Davey Message-ID: Timothy sayz... > >Is Ron playing bass live with Hawkwind? As well as Alan? Now that would be >good. I liked 2 drummers in the 70s and would certainly like to bass players >playing together, for at least some of the time. After all if they can have 2 >guitars, 2 keyboard players, 2 drummers then why not 2 bass players. I thought Jerry Richards was the bass player?? What gives? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. The webpage says the June U.S. tour might now be August, which seems to be supported by the fact that they're considering festival shows on the continent in June. As I expect to be somewhere in Asia in August, here's hoping that HW follows their normal pattern of multiple delays, and they actually come in October, when I'm back. :) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 00:40:02 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:40:02 +1000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199703130423.XAA17799@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 12 Mar 97 at 23:23, Keith Henderson wrote: > P.S. The webpage says the June U.S. tour might now be August, which seems > to be supported by the fact that they're considering festival shows on the > continent in June. As I expect to be somewhere in Asia in August, here's > hoping that HW follows their normal pattern of multiple delays, and they > actually come in October, when I'm back. :) Doug says August for Australia .... which is part of AustralASIA .... need somewhere to bunk up? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 16:11:28 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:11:28 EST Subject: HW: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul G Ward" at Mar 13, 97 03:40:02 pm Message-ID: > > On 12 Mar 97 at 23:23, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > P.S. The webpage says the June U.S. tour might now be August, which seems > > to be supported by the fact that they're considering festival shows on the > > continent in June. As I expect to be somewhere in Asia in August, here's > > hoping that HW follows their normal pattern of multiple delays, and they > > actually come in October, when I'm back. :) > > Doug says August for Australia .... which is part of AustralASIA .... need > somewhere to bunk up? > ^^^^^^ Good News indeed , & I hope this doesn"t have the same meaning as in the UK slang. regards Marty ps Anymore news on the cd releases here in Australia. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 13 00:24:48 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:24:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: >Hey, SEE was the live album that BOC wanted OYFOOYK to be - well, >partially. The band was NOT happy with OYFOOYK when it came out, and >SEE was partly to address some of the sins of commission and omission I've always been troubled by the "sins of omission" line about SEE..... Apart from Astronomy (I'll grant you that) and the covers, nothing on SEE was released at the time OYF... came out... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 01:33:45 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:33:45 +1000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <9703130511.AA18375@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On 13 Mar 97 at 16:11, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > Doug says August for Australia .... which is part of AustralASIA .... need > > somewhere to bunk up? > > ^^^^^^ > Good News indeed , & I hope this doesn"t have the same meaning as in the UK > slang. *NO IT DOESN'T* ;^) > ps Anymore news on the cd releases here in Australia. AFAIK, the Heartland Sampler is out, with the Astralasia remix of MotU. Last I spoke to them, Heartland were waiting for paperwork from Doug for the other CD, and Doug was waiting for the leeter Heartland posted him. I haven't spoken to either for a while though. Paul -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Mar 13 01:29:22 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:29:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-03-12 Richard Manny wrote: > I've seen this line in the FAQ. What sins of commission and > omission? Seemed like a good album to me. Sorry, don't me to start a > discussion but that line about commission and omission has always bugged > me. It always bugged me too, although I knew it mainly from the liner notes of Arthur Levy, who gives every indication that he'll be recycling his favorite phrases into the next century. (Personally my favorite is .."It has been argued that the release of...Secret Treaties marked one of those moments in rock when a band's public image nearly overpowered its existential reality". I don't know which amuses me most here: the "It has been argued" , the "nearly", or the final burst of gibberish.) I'm not sure what sins of omission were being atoned for, since of their songs only "Astronomy" had existed at the time of the first release. I doubt anyone would argue that a version from '74 would have cut the one that made it onto SEE. I played OYF continuously when it came out, and still love parts, but I thought it was undermined as a live document by piss-poor production and the tendency of the band to race through some of the songs--the herky-jerky "Before the Kiss..." being a particularly galling example. One fun moment from the summer of '75: my friend Mark and I stoned and blasting OYF, and Buck Dharma plays a different solo at the end of "Harvester of Eyes"!...to this day I don't know what channel malfunction or setting brought it to the forefront, but the real solo is there, buried but not deep enough, and audible when you listen for it...anyone else shocked when they discovered this? Anyone find similar things on the album? -Chris Baker From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 03:40:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:40:38 GMT Subject: BOC - Styles, Covers & 7 Screaming Diz Message-ID: > I figured a lot of folks would take the intro as being homoerotic, > which it is, but I think it's a send up. What? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 03:42:19 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:42:19 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? Message-ID: > Recently someone posted a rumor here about the demise of Griffin's > Hawkwind department. I didn't believe it at the time. > Suddenly all Griffin Hawkwind releases vanished from all stores near me, > and I had a terrible thought that maybe they've been banished to > cutout-land. Eeek! No! I was relying on getting cheap US releases of Sonic Attack and Church of Hawkwind this summer. This might mean I end up having to get the over-priced British releases ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 03:58:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:58:37 GMT Subject: HW: Alan Davey Message-ID: > P.S. The webpage says the June U.S. tour might now be August, which > seems to be supported by the fact that they're considering festival shows > on the continent in June. As I expect to be somewhere in Asia in August, > here's hoping that HW follows their normal pattern of multiple delays, > and they actually come in October, when I'm back. :) Buggerit. In all likelihood I'll be in the US all summer excepting a week or so in August! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 04:15:18 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:15:18 GMT Subject: HW: Dave on the Net Message-ID: > --On Thu, Mar 13, 1997 12:36 pm Sonique wrote: > Yup, you read right ... DAVE HAS AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!! > > He mailed me this morning after surfing my pages: > > > This is The Hawkwind Mothership calling from Mission Control with > > Captain Brock at the Helm. We are now flying online. Make contact. > > DB and KT > > and then: > > > Hello Paul, > > Just had great fun zooming around on your site, but I am just a > > barbarian in the computer world, back to the manual. Oh for the day > > that I can talk to it and it understands (Next Generation). > > Dave Brock Come on, Dave--you're supposed to be the original space barbarian--you gotta be born to surf, as far as you can telnet, turning electric dreams into reality :) > I'll try to convince him to join the BOC-L ranks .... While this is a long-time list dream (and , potentially, could be way cool), I have to wonder if this would be good for either us or Dave. Even limiting list-mail to HW headers might generate enough volume to scare him off, and ... well, would he suss out in time that even die-hard--indeed, utterly immortal--Hawkwind fans can complain bitterly (and at great length) about the band? O Brock, that art a Hawklord, David be thy name .... I know DB tends to be rather shy and stand-offish in person--hell, given the way he lurks behind the synths it's no surprise. I would hate for him to be freaked out by the list, which could function as an ever greater link between the fans and the band. On the other hand, I'd love to see discussions between Al and Dave :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 04:24:40 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:24:40 GMT Subject: tBS: BoH Message-ID: > > I also remember someone saying that they heard a short clip of Beavis > > (of Beavisand Butthead fame) in the background of one of the songs. > > Which song was it? > > I'm on Fire -- after Deb sings about being "free" (sorry, the lyrics > aren't coming to me today), you can hear a snippet that sounds like > Beavis saying, "Free, yeah, heh-heh, free..." or words to that effect. > At least that's what it sounds like to me... Didn't someone mumble a while back that they thought they had heard a Bevis Frond sample on BoH? (!?) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 13 02:19:57 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:19:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? Message-ID: might not be too late now, carl, i just picked mine up about a month ago. rj > > Eeek! No! I was relying on getting cheap US releases of Sonic Attack > and Church of Hawkwind this summer. This might mean I end up having to get > the over-priced British releases ... > > Cheers, > Carl From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 07:48:56 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:48:56 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:42:19 GMT Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Recently someone posted a rumor here about the demise of Griffin's > > Hawkwind department. I didn't believe it at the time. > > Suddenly all Griffin Hawkwind releases vanished from all stores near me, > > and I had a terrible thought that maybe they've been banished to > > cutout-land. > > Eeek! No! I was relying on getting cheap US releases of Sonic Attack > and Church of Hawkwind this summer. This might mean I end up having to get > the over-priced British releases ... Ask someone to reserve you a copy in the States while they are still available! My own understanding (imperfect tho it may be) is that EBS or its outlet over here is likely to pick up the distribution which is probably where all the copies have gone to. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 09:08:05 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:08:05 +1000 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Yeah Right! To: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:12:25 -0000 Hot Press!!!!!!! Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. Hawkwind are now busy recording anew album. New Dave Brock solo album out on the 1st of June. Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased tracks. We are getting a web page together, which should appear soon. It will be called Hawkwind Mission Control. Yes we would like you to send us the addresses of Ade Shaw, Steve Swindells, Jim Lascko, Bob Lennon and any others that you can think of that we would be interested in. Signing off D.B. -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 09:16:28 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:16:28 +1000 Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? In-Reply-To: <9703131248.aa20208@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On 13 Mar 97 at 12:48, J Strobridge wrote: > Ask someone to reserve you a copy in the States while they are still > available! My own understanding (imperfect tho it may be) is that EBS or > its outlet over here is likely to pick up the distribution which is probably > where all the copies have gone to. Last I heard from doug, one reason for taking so long to get back to me re: Oz tour was organising new US distribution deal ... he didn't go into details tho! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Mar 13 07:06:14 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:06:14 UT Subject: HW/OTHER: Mick Farren's home page Message-ID: A sidebar in Steve Swindells' _Time Out_ column pointed me to Mick Farren's home page, at http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html Apparently there's a new Deviants album, _Eating Jello with a Heated Fork_, and the lineup at the Ptolemaic thingy is Farren and Andy Colquhoun. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Thu Mar 13 09:02:29 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:02:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: >> I've seen this line in the FAQ. What sins of commission and >> omission? Seemed like a good album to me. Sorry, don't me to start a >> discussion but that line about commission and omission has always bugged >> me. > >It always bugged me too, although I knew it mainly from the liner notes of >Arthur Levy, who gives every indication that he'll be recycling his favorite >phrases into the next century. (Personally my favorite is .."It has been >argued that the release of...Secret Treaties marked one of those moments in >rock when a band's public image nearly overpowered its existential reality". > I don't know which amuses me most here: the "It has been argued" , the >"nearly", or the final burst of gibberish.) I can't remember when I purchased my vinyl of SEE, but I know there are no liner notes in it. The album was "protected" by a plain white paper sleeve.... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 13 09:31:32 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:31:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: Omission - Astronomy. I think there were other omissions (Stairway to the Stars, maybe Flaming Telepaths), but of course these sins of omission weren't corrected by SEE Comission - lousy sound system. Listen to the feedback during Buck's solo in 7 Screaming Dizbusters. While it may sound kinda cool, I don't think it was intentional. Of course, in retrospect, the "rawness" of OYFOOYK makes it very appealing to a lot of people - it definitely doesn't have that "studio album with crowd noises added" sound to it. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 13 09:35:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:35:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: BOC Chat Tidbits: Here's a few interesting things from last Tuesday's BOC chat... Of course one must realize that in these chat environments, Q's and A's are flying around pretty rapidly, with all sorts of banter in-between. One's mileage may vary. Albert (in response to where the Brain Surgeons might be playing): We're working on Philly/Harrisburg, Albany/Buffalo/ Rochester and South & West Coast Buck (in response to what's up with the new album): BOC record is stalled, trouble w/German company.. release probably set back six months... Buck (regarding who's playing with him at his benefit gig in Atlanta): Venue is a perfoming arts theater, gonna be a trio with me, Danny Miranda and John Miceli ... I've got some covers I'm fond of, and maybe some old Dharma stuff... Gamera-- a definate maybe... I'm gonna Have to play some Flat Out... Probably gonna be light on the harmonies in Atlanta, so that'll influence tune selection Buck also mentioned " We do a real credible version of 'I love the Night' these days" - I assume he meant BOC by "we" -- might this get woven into future sets???? Buck (in response to what song he liked recording the most): The most-- I don't know, I like recording except for the Club Ninja record Buck (in response to "are you chatting with any 'stars' these days"): I'm talking to Ronnie Montrose about a potential project Eric (on how long BOC's sets will be on the SummerDaze tour): not too long I wouldn't think, with a 4 act tour Eric (on if any new tunes will be worked into the setlist): not currently...setlist will be similar in the short run Here's my banter with Buck later on about the new album: me - Buck - can you report any further on the album? I'd love to be able to silence some cynics. buck - John, the cynics are right me - <- getting heartburn...Care to elaborate further, Buck? buck - no, shoulda put a smiley face after Well, that's about it for new info from the chat - the rest of it was just that - a chat. Note that I did not summarize any of Buck's statements about the new album -- all that he said about it is what you see above. John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 13 09:33:53 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:33:53 -0600 Subject: BOC - The Only Sin was not having 3 in F/K Message-ID: > >>Central Florida Al - Orlando/Daytona/Melbourne area whould be Great ! >>If you need the names of some local clubs, let me know. In the background one can hear the rumblings of anticipation from the Wash. DC/B'more/ No. VA area. "The Brain Surgeons heading South? Let us find the route of transit and derail them for a series of concerts in this area." With all the requests from different locations once on the road Al, tBS may never get back to New York. 8>). > >>Based on last night's chat, you don't wanna know... >John Figured many would try to drag out the details. I skipped over your post because I took your advice. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW AT THIS POINT! > > >Theo>I figured a lot of folks would take the intro as being homoerotic, >which it is, but I think it's a send up. As far as satanism goes, I >think that's a joke too, maybe spoofing the people who saw the band's >dark image as meaning they were devil worshipers or something? Al? Had I first heard 7SD today I would probably enjoy the song immensely and have a good laugh, alas it hit me in my impresssionable youth when I had no idea that BOC was much more than heavy hitters and great players. > >> Anybody hear a rumor that Damn Yankees is reforming with Sammy Haggar on >> vocals? >> >Theo>I've heard the same rumor. Whoopee! Don't hold out Theo give me the details. Is it going to be Tommy, Jack, Ted, Sammy and a drummer? Oh better take this private. > >John>"Hey, SEE was the live album that BOC wanted OYFOOYK to be - well, >partially. The band was NOT happy with OYFOOYK when it came out, and SEE was >partly to address some of the sins of commission and omission that OYFOOYK >made (this is not meant to start a discussion on the goodness or badness of >OYFOOYK - I'm just reiterating what I understand to be the band's opinion of it in the mid-70's)." >Andrew> I've always been troubled by the "sins of omission" line about SEE.....Apart from Astronomy (I'll grant you that) and the covers, >nothing on SEE was released at the time OYF... came out... > Perhaps Al will be kind enough to shed some light on this thinking. F/K dosen't have outstanding sound quality or a great mix, it is in fact rather raw, but thats what makes it so great. I have never seen any band have a flawless performance. There are a bunch of live albums from the 70's where the flaws are engineered out; they sound almost sterile. F/K sound like BOC in '75. The only sin/omissions I see is that there wern't three albums ibn the package. Richard M. > Now, for the concert itself. BOC's opening band was >called Angel. All wore white suits, all teleported on the stage, all >performed at the top of their lungs, and all left the stage, finally. Howls. Greg Guffria (sp) Punky Meadows and the boys in their white chiffon opening for BOC? Wish I was there. These guys were great studio but well, less than pleasing live. Compare their Live Without A Net to F/K. Thats sterility. >> Bottle rockets. Stupid people shouldn't be sold matches and >bottle rockets. Perhaps this is why SEE was a single and not a double. From what you do recall from the setlist it increases my confusion over why SEE was a makeup for F/K . lil ab > >ob CD - Saigon Kick - Devil in The Details From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 13 10:14:10 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:14:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: At 09:31 1997-03-13 -0500, you wrote: >Omission - Astronomy. I think there were other omissions (Stairway to >the Stars, maybe Flaming Telepaths), but of course these sins of omission >weren't corrected by SEE > >Comission - lousy sound system. Listen to the feedback during Buck's >solo in 7 Screaming Dizbusters. While it may sound kinda cool, I don't >think it was intentional. Of course, in retrospect, the "rawness" of >OYFOOYK makes it very appealing to a lot of people - it definitely doesn't >have that "studio album with crowd noises added" sound to it. you mean the Black Sabbath _Live Evil_ phenomena? >John \\joe From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Thu Mar 13 10:06:58 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:06:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: >Albert (in response to where the Brain Surgeons might be >playing): We're working on Philly/Harrisburg, Albany/Buffalo/ >Rochester and South & West Coast At leat one piece of good news came out of that chat.... Al - please come to Buffalo and/or Rochester! >Buck (in response to what's up with the new album): BOC >record is stalled, trouble w/German company.. release probably >set back six months... What's another six months when you have already been waiting for eons.... >Eric (on how long BOC's sets will be on the SummerDaze >tour): not too long I wouldn't think, with a 4 act tour Same old song and dance... >Eric (on if any new tunes will be worked into the setlist): >not currently...setlist will be similar in the short run See above... From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 13 10:43:56 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:56 +0000 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:14:10 +0100." <2.2.32.19970313151410.008f57d8@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: > At 09:31 1997-03-13 -0500, you wrote: > >Omission - Astronomy. I think there were other omissions (Stairway to > >the Stars, maybe Flaming Telepaths), but of course these sins of omission > >weren't corrected by SEE > > > >Comission - lousy sound system. Listen to the feedback during Buck's > >solo in 7 Screaming Dizbusters. While it may sound kinda cool, I don't > >think it was intentional. Of course, in retrospect, the "rawness" of > >OYFOOYK makes it very appealing to a lot of people - it definitely doesn't > >have that "studio album with crowd noises added" sound to it. > > you mean the Black Sabbath _Live Evil_ phenomena? Or maybe a more serious outbreak, as found on Judas Priest _Unleashed in the Studio^D^D^D East, Live in Japan_. Crowd noise injected in handy snippets before & after each song, and absent during. (Regardless of the above, I find Unleashed.. hugely enjoyable to listen to, not least for some storming renditions of classic JP, Joan Baez & Fleetwood Mac played like they should be ;-) Tim From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 13 11:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:00:00 +0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's mail of Fri, 14 Mar 97 00:08 +1000 Message-ID: > From: Yeah Right! > To: > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:12:25 -0000 > > Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. > Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player OK, so I was wrong... So, will we no longer hear Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph, Vega, & Elfin played live? Possibly not even Blue Skin and Kapal? I guess that since a new album is on its way, there will be plenty of other material to choose from (1/2 :-)). > Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. Doesn't leave Dave much to do, does it? I guess he's the new lead vocalist, out there at the front (just teasing, Dave!). Is this the right time to request Steppenwolf on a live album? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 13 11:24:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:24:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: >you mean the Black Sabbath _Live Evil_ phenomena? Yeah - although I like *Live Evil*, it doesn't really sound very "live". Like, when Dio is trying to get the crowd to sing "Heaven and Hell", you hear "On and on, it's . . . yes! do it again - on and on, on and on it's . . . now one on your own, a big one - on and on, on and on, IT'S . . . ALL RIGHT!!!!!! Give yourselves a hand - fantastic that was!" (it sure sounded pretty lame on the album) John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 12 17:15:43 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:15:43 UT Subject: HW-Drummers (Wastelands of Message-ID: Well, IMHO of course, Simon King is pretty much the god of sticks and skins. He wasn't a fancy drummer - but that's not what Hawkwind are about. Technically, maybe he's no Buddy Rich, but so what - he was the perfect drummer for HW: a 100% pure BLANGA drummer! By way of contrast, Ginger Baker is hard to fault on a technical basis. But he was rarely right for HW. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 12 17:20:42 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:20:42 UT Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London Message-ID: Short notice, I know, but I just noticed Tim Blake is first support to German electronic outfit Tron at the Shpeherds Bush Empire Thursday night. No idea if it's part of a tour or not. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Mar 13 11:42:49 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:42:49 -0500 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: >Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. >Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player >Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. >Hawkwind are now busy recording anew album. >New Dave Brock solo album out on the 1st of June. >Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased >tracks. >We are getting a web page together, which should appear soon. It will be >called Hawkwind Mission Control. Well this kind of change in the lineup always leaves me shaky, wondering if the new HW will be cool or not. They haven't let me down yet so I guess I shouldn't worry, but still.... Losing Danny Thompson (worst ever Hawkwind drummer) was certainly a good thing, and Richard is one of the most amazing drummers I've heard, absolutely perfect for Hawkwind with his tribal tendencies etc. Somehow it just doesn't seem right to have anyone but Huw playing lead.... And as for Ron playing bass, well we can always hope that he's good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. As for the news of upcoming releases.... Good God, does Dave ever stop putting forth new material? Let's see... we'll have the new solo album, the live album, the live 1974 album and a new studio album, not to mention the zillions of comps and reissues that are constantly coming out. This kind of hyperactivity makes me glad I'm not on the BOC side of the fence... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From corwin at ROPNET.RU Thu Mar 13 12:01:54 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:01:54 +0300 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: I think I got the exact answer: Alan Davey left Hawkwind. I think he's the most biggest loss since Simon House (I really like his violin). Alan Davey is the best bass player (my opinion). I don't know much about Jerry Richards, but Huw was the best, I think. And I hope Alan will come back some time. Corwin P.S. And one question: Does Huw record something now or not? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 13 12:06:55 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:06:55 +0800 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > P.S. And one question: Does Huw record something now or not? I was pondering over the very same question the other day. I was actually thinking that his own band was popular when he was in HW. Then he left HW to concentrate on his band, and haven't heard of anything since. I also shall miss Alan. Also, with Ron playing bass, does that mean he will no longer be performing songs in costume, or will someone else (Jerry??) play bass during some of those songs? William From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 13 07:32:06 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:32:06 -0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > So, will we no longer hear Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph, Vega, & Elfin played > live? Possibly not even Blue Skin and Kapal? I guess that since a new > album is on its way, there will be plenty of other material to choose > from (1/2 :-)). why? we still hear master of the universe and lord of light, why would it change? they will just be different. =) > > Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. > > Doesn't leave Dave much to do, does it? I guess he's the new lead > vocalist, out there at the front (just teasing, Dave!). > > Is this the right time to request Steppenwolf on a live album? > > Dave. yes, sing dave, sing! rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 13 07:35:16 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:35:16 -0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: im not nervous, im EXCITED!!! (tho i lament Alan's leaving) i think we will like what we see. (hear). plus new fresh material from alan. this might be the best thing... rj ---------- > > Well this kind of change in the lineup always leaves me shaky, wondering if > the new HW will be cool or not. They haven't let me down yet so I guess I > shouldn't worry, but still.... Losing Danny Thompson (worst ever Hawkwind > drummer) was certainly a good thing, and Richard is one of the most amazing > drummers I've heard, absolutely perfect for Hawkwind with his tribal > tendencies etc. Somehow it just doesn't seem right to have anyone but Huw > playing lead.... And as for Ron playing bass, well we can always hope that > he's good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. > > As for the news of upcoming releases.... Good God, does Dave ever stop > putting forth new material? Let's see... we'll have the new solo album, the > live album, the live 1974 album and a new studio album, not to mention the > zillions of comps and reissues that are constantly coming out. This kind of > hyperactivity makes me glad I'm not on the BOC side of the fence... > > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 12:37:59 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:37:59 GMT Subject: HW-Drummers Message-ID: I really liked the way Ginger Baker played a live tpae I have from 1980 (Flyover). He did some sort of drum roll (I don't know what it was, not a drummer) during a lot of songs and it souned really good. Especially in Levitation. And I really liked the way he started playing sliver machine without a drum roll slightly before the next bar and then did the drum roll followed by the pattern he had just started to do. I havn't heard any other drummer play before the drum roll. He also sounded very good on Angles of Death (1984 Stonehenge album). He certainly played better live than on the levitation album IMHO. But Richard Chadwick is very good. Some good rythems going like Space is there and Night of the hawks (hammersmith odeon 1989, can't work out the pattern in the song. Either he's very good here or he's just htting the d rums when he feels like it. I perfer the first answer) I also liked the 2 drummers Alan Powell and Simon King when they played together and long for the day when 2 drummers appear live again. Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 13 12:45:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings' mail of Thu, 13 Mar 97 12:32 +0000 Message-ID: On 13 Mar 12:32, Ron Jennings wrote: > > So, will we no longer hear Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph, Vega, & Elfin played > > live? Possibly not even Blue Skin and Kapal? I guess that since a new > > album is on its way, there will be plenty of other material to choose > > from (1/2 :-)). > > why? we still hear master of the universe and lord of light, why would it > change? they will just be different. =) It was a rather sly remark about royalties. Probably unworthy of me, in fact. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 12:49:18 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:49:18 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: >Hot Press!!!!!!! And I though hawkwind were unlikly to rechange members and couldn't see how it would happen! >Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. If Alan is on the same label as Dave Brook then surly he will make a few gust aperences live with hawkwind >Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player I assume ron will sing some of Alan's stuff like Spudnik Stan and things. One good thing is we will probably havea continous bass though out the songs. >Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. So Will Jerry be a bit more like Huw Llody-langton with his guitar playing - more solos, bit faster or more like Dave Brook style. Will Alan's insturmentals like Blue Shift, Berlin Alixs, 1994 Camrbidge live intro to golden void (just happen to like this a lot) and other stuff be done and will new hawkwind songs have some love isnturmetnals like that. I hope so. Can Jerry sing? And I persuem dave brook will be on keyboards and guitar. >Hawkwind are now busy recording anew album. Great news. I hopw there is a mixture of intrumentals and guiatar singin based songs. I like every indervual song on ITBOTFTBD but hate them collectively since to much of the same thing - eltronic insturmentals with loads of efects. So how many meber is this now? About 53? Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 13 12:57:06 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:57:06 +0100 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: >Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. has someone called Lemmy? \\joe From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 12:55:39 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:55:39 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:08:05 +1000 Message-ID: Dave Brock speaking through Paul G Ward writes: > Hot Press!!!!!!! > Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. hooo boy. That sounds definite! > Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player Does anyone know whether Ron Tree played bass while he was in his previous band? I wonder how he'll tie it in with his stage presentation - difficult to have a stage act with a costume and all while carrying a bass guitar around the place. > Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. In other words Hawkwind have re-formed. > Hawkwind are now busy recording anew album. details... details.... concept album? Misc tracks by all and sundry? > New Dave Brock solo album out on the 1st of June. > Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased > tracks. Aargh! Why do they keep using the same album names... or maybe it *is* Astounding Sounds just with extra tracks. > We are getting a web page together, which should appear soon. It will be > called Hawkwind Mission Control. This is your captain speaking. Cyberspace starts here...... > Signing off > D.B. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Thu Mar 13 13:40:54 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:40:54 E Subject: boc live show march 27 in PA Message-ID: A while ago I told you all about the BOC show in the Woodlands in Willkes-Barre PA...I got my hands on 4 free passes (It's $7 w/o) If anyone wants one or two you can e-mail me. peace bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu actually I'll get rid of all of them if anyone is interested I might be able to get more... ***************** now playing "The best the rest of Motorhead (live) **************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 14:58:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:58:43 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > --On Thu, Mar 13, 1997 11:42 am "John Majka" wrote: > >Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. > >Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player > >Jerry Richards is now the lead guitarist+keyboard player. > >New Dave Brock solo album out on the 1st of June. So what does Dave do in Hawkwind these days? :) ;) > >Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased > >tracks. Woah. W'at's this? > >We are getting a web page together, which should appear soon. It will be > >called Hawkwind Mission Control. Woah. _Two_ official HW sites? Groovin' > > Well this kind of change in the lineup always leaves me shaky, wondering > if the new HW will be cool or not. I'm dubious. Will the bass be able to survive without Sonic Assassin no. Two? Will Dave remember to play his guitar with a new guitarist in? Only time will tell, I suppose ... On the other hand, Ron probably can't be a worse bass player than Harvey :) > As for the news of upcoming releases.... Good God, does Dave ever stop > the putting forth new material? Let's see... we'll have the new solo > album, live album, the live 1974 album and a new studio album All of which we've yet to _see_. I'm still waiting for more definite word on Live 74 ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 15:01:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:01:29 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > im not nervous, im EXCITED!!! (tho i lament Alan's leaving) > i think we will like what we see. (hear). > plus new fresh material from alan. this might be the best thing... One thing for sure--time doesn't stand still in Spaceship Hawkwind. There's always something going on. I tend to be suspicious of changes, but I have to say I'm looking forward to the new material and future tours! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 13 15:16:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:16:15 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > So Will Jerry be a bit more like Huw Llody-langton with his guitar > playing - more solos, bit faster or more like Dave Brook style. I vote for the latter. I think Huw is great and fine and all that ... but I just enjoy Brock's leads more--more Hawkwindy. That fabulous kind of two note solo with the wah sweeping up and down over the rhythm section. Gets my vote every time :) > And I persuem dave brook will be on keyboards and guitar. Oooooarrr. Keep 'im strapped to his guitar :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 13 10:45:09 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:45:09 -0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: well, i'm for the HLL style (not that i want jerry to lose his own style, just that i would like to see a bit more of the wild leads and all). i always thot huw and dave were the perfect compliment to each other. it seems to me that their styles are opposite ends of the same rope... but on occasion Huw would bury dave. no one wants that of course... rj > > > So Will Jerry be a bit more like Huw Llody-langton with his guitar > > playing - more solos, bit faster or more like Dave Brook style. > > I vote for the latter. I think Huw is great and fine and all that .. > but I just enjoy Brock's leads more--more Hawkwindy. That fabulous kind of > two note solo with the wah sweeping up and down over the rhythm section. > Gets my vote every time :) > > > And I persuem dave brook will be on keyboards and guitar. > > Oooooarrr. Keep 'im strapped to his guitar :) > > Cheers, > Carl > From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 13 17:55:38 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:55:38 EST Subject: BOC: SEE a waste? Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:10:05 -0500 John A Swartz writes: >Hey, SEE was the live album that BOC wanted OYFOOYK to be - well, >partially. The band was NOT happy with OYFOOYK when it came out, and >SEE was partly to address some of the sins of commission and omission >that OYFOOYK made (this is not meant to start a discussion on the >goodness or badness of OYFOOYK - I'm just reiterating what I >understand >to be the band's opinion of it in the mid-70's). > >Besides, SEE has to have one of the coolest covers of any BOC album >(I'm >talking album cover, not song cover here). > >John Yet it really does, in my humble opinion: Kick Out the Jams, Motherf*ckers! From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 13 10:14:14 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:14:14 -0800 Subject: BOC: BOXED SET Message-ID: Riordan wrote: > > I had heard that there was a problem finding the 3Disk set (BOC, TM, ST). > BlockBuster Music does not carry it any more, but they ordered it for me. > Ordered on Monday arrived Firday (March 7th). > Just in case anyone still wants it; it cost a little less than buying two > of the disks seperately. Does the boxed set have a "new" catalog #? If so, could you please give me that #? I'll try and order it here instead of having it sent to me - postage would increase the price to more than three separate discs for me... Thanks, Jerry ______________________________ "hope is love's blindness hope is the heart to carry on" From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Mar 13 18:14:32 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:14:32 -0500 Subject: Glastonbury Message-ID: I was reading today that Glastonbury 1997 is going to be shown on the BBC. Things have changed a whole lot since I left England. Who is playing this year? Martyn From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 13 18:43:20 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:43:20 EST Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > On the other hand, Ron probably can't be a worse bass player than >Harvey :) Or John Harrison... From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 13 18:43:19 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:43:19 EST Subject: HW: Alan Davey Message-ID: >P.S. The webpage says the June U.S. tour might now be August, which >seems >to be supported by the fact that they're considering festival shows on >the >continent in June. As I expect to be somewhere in Asia in August, >here's >hoping that HW follows their normal pattern of multiple delays, and >they >actually come in October, when I'm back. :) Hopefully not, since I plan to take August off and follow the tour. Anyone else in the midwest plan to follow the Hawks? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 13 18:43:20 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:43:20 EST Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:01:54 +0300 corwin writes: >I think I got the exact answer: Alan Davey left Hawkwind. I think he's >the most biggest loss since Simon House (I really like his violin). >Alan >Davey is the best bass player (my opinion). No, Lemmy was the best. He happened to be Alan's main influence, and it is easily to tell. >I don't know much about Jerry Richards, but Huw was the best, I think. >And I hope Alan will come back some time. Well, Huw had a certain style which obviously can't be imitated. If my predications are right, Jerry will bring in a totally different lead sound. From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Mar 13 19:16:28 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:16:28 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: <3328342F.5C33@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Reply to William Duffy about Re: HW: News from Dave >> P.S. And one question: Does Huw record something now or not? >I was pondering over the very same question the other day. I was >actually thinking that his own band was popular when he was in HW. Then >he left HW to concentrate on his band, and haven't heard of anything >since. Huw is on the road at the moment going by last weeks Kerrang! mag. It lists a gig at The Bradford Rio on Sat. 15th March (?5.00 adv.) - Info hot line - 01274 735549 though this must be the venue, not Huw! That's all I know Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 13 21:35:05 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:35:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: Porky Prime Cuts Message-ID: check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/lp_grooves.html Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 13 15:34:27 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:34:27 -0000 Subject: OFF:Kadu Flyer (and ATTN: john M) Message-ID: hey. Mary Bruce just called me about what i said to jon brown on here about an album not recieved. She remembered the situation, and says she will send a replacement. She also said that she agrees with me and that it were better if people did'nt use the flyer as an outlet for merchandise or other material, as there is some recurring problem with whoever it is they use for shipping. ATTN: JOHN M. - she asked me to tell you to call her. she wants to settle with you as well. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 13 22:40:39 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:40:39 -0500 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: >On 13 Mar 12:32, Ron Jennings wrote: >> > So, will we no longer hear Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph, Vega, & Elfin played >> > live? Possibly not even Blue Skin and Kapal? I guess that since a new >> > album is on its way, there will be plenty of other material to choose >> > from (1/2 :-)). >> >> why? we still hear master of the universe and lord of light, why would it >> change? they will just be different. =) > >It was a rather sly remark about royalties. Probably unworthy of me, in >fact. Well, we could always have a live album with "Elven", "Xeno", "Sputnik Stanley", and uh, "Vegan", credited to whoever's in the band at that time.... .... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Mar 13 23:09:36 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:09:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Palace Springs '91 Message-ID: Hi all! A question: Is there a source in which I can get HW"S "Palace Springs '91" on cd?? I'm asking for my friend-it's the least I can do after all the music he's dubbed for me!!! How about 14 more HW albums today!!! Whooopie!!! Tunes time!! Thanx in advance for any info! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace corwin wrote: > > I think I got the exact answer: Alan Davey left Hawkwind. I think he's > the most biggest loss since Simon House (I really like his violin). What about Calvert, eh? - Max Wilcox From corwin at ROPNET.RU Fri Mar 14 00:01:13 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:01:13 +0300 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: Max WIlcox wrote: > What about Calvert, eh? > > - Max Wilcox Yes. Calvert and Huw are also biggest loss, but Simon's violin was very good for Hawkwind. Calvert wanted to rejoin Hawkwind before his sudden death, didn't he? Corwin From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 14 02:45:10 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:45:10 -0700 Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: Max WIlcox wrote: > > corwin wrote: > > > > I think I got the exact answer: Alan Davey left Hawkwind. I think he's > > the most biggest loss since Simon House (I really like his violin). Try Spiral Realms-nice!! If I remember correctly, it's his solo project! (I might be incorrect) Features alot of his work,tho. Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > I can't remember when I purchased my vinyl of SEE, but I know there > are no liner notes in it. The album was "protected" by a plain > white paper sleeve.... The liner notes I was referring to were in the "Career of Evil: The Metal Years" and "Workshop of the Telescopes" compilations. SEE had no liner notes, but the original release did have a picture sleeve with photos of the band members. -Chris Baker From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Fri Mar 14 02:50:18 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:50:18 E Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: Pam wrote: "Try Spiral realms-nice!! If I remembercorrectly it's his solo project!" Trip to G-9: A TRIP TO G-9 ELEMENTS II RED GIANT TRITIUM 1000 YEARS UNDER SOLAR SAILS SOLAR FLARES all songs written by Simon House synthesizer, keyboard and electric violin additional moog, samples and synths len del rio on Solar wind 5 out of the 8 are by Simon House. It's his bby with the help of Del and Len Del; Dettmar & Rio if you wish. cheers bryan From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 03:37:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:37:48 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > --On Thu, Mar 13, 1997 8:01 pm corwin wrote: > I think I got the exact answer: Alan Davey left Hawkwind. I think he's > the most biggest loss since Simon House (I really like his violin). Alan > Davey is the best bass player (my opinion). I would agree completely, excepting that I reckon while Alan is damned good, Lemmy has the edge. Alan rocked fabulously, but never thundered quite like Lemmy did on _Space Ritual_, or went ballistic to the extent Lemmy did in "Time We Left". Alan does leave all their other bass players in the dust though. > I don't know much about Jerry Richards, but Huw was the best, I think. Didn't Jerry play on the recent "Death Trap" studio version? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 04:03:27 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:03:27 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: > I also shall miss Alan. Also, with Ron playing bass, does that mean he > will no longer be performing songs in costume, or will someone else > (Jerry??) play bass during some of those songs? I volunteer :) Have Rick, will travel. As soon as I bother to finish learning the Lord of Light riff I'm ready to roll :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 04:18:44 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:18:44 +0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:08:05 +1000." Message-ID: > Hot Press!!!!!!! > > Alan Davey Has Left Hawkwind to form his own band. > Ron Tree is now the Hawkwind bass player Lets hope Ron plays bass better than he sings :^) Tim From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 04:31:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:31:00 +0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's mail of Thu, 13 Mar 97 22:40 -0500 Message-ID: On 14 Mar 03:40, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >On 13 Mar 12:32, Ron Jennings wrote: > >> > So, will we no longer hear Sputnik Stan, Xenomorph, Vega, & Elfin played > >> > live? Possibly not even Blue Skin and Kapal? I guess that since a new > >> > album is on its way, there will be plenty of other material to choose > >> > from (1/2 :-)). > > Well, we could always have a live album with "Elven", "Xeno", "Sputnik > Stanley", and uh, "Vegan", credited to whoever's in the band at that > time.... .... To be fair, there's no reason at all why the new line-up should play songs by any particular ex-member. They are writing their own music, and will have their own favourites of the old stuff. I vote for reviving "25 years" and "Chronoglide skyway". Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 05:23:01 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:23:01 GMT Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:20:42 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Short notice, I know, but I just noticed Tim Blake is first support to German > electronic outfit Tron at the Shpeherds Bush Empire Thursday night. > > No idea if it's part of a tour or not. wow! did anyone get to hear this? Please report soonest. This is GOOD news (I hope!) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 05:31:31 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:31:31 GMT Subject: Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:14:32 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > I was reading today that Glastonbury 1997 is going to be > shown on the BBC. Things have changed a whole lot since I left > England. Who is playing this year? I've heard that Porcupine Tree might be but have seen nothing official to confirm that. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 05:33:16 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:33:16 GMT Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:20:42 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Short notice, I know, but I just noticed Tim Blake is first support to German > electronic outfit Tron at the Shpeherds Bush Empire Thursday night. > > No idea if it's part of a tour or not. If anyone gets more info, especially of more Blake Brit gigs, please let me know asap. Just in case, my home phone number is 0131-667-5046 And of course if anyone hears of tapes of this gig... FoFP From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Mar 14 06:51:22 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:51:22 +1000 Subject: HW: Animated Win95 startup logo Message-ID: Hiya all, I had a play tonight and created an animated Win95 startup screen. Enjoy! ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hawkwind.zip Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 05:57:46 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:57:46 GMT Subject: HW-Drummers In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:37:59 GMT Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > I really liked the way Ginger Baker played a live tpae I have from 1980 > (Flyover). He did some sort of drum roll (I don't know what it was, not a > drummer) during a lot of songs and it souned really good. Especially in > Levitation. And I really liked the way he started playing sliver machine > without a drum roll slightly before the next bar and then did the drum > roll followed by the pattern he had just started to do. I havn't heard > any other drummer play before the drum roll. He also sounded very good on > Angles of Death (1984 Stonehenge album). Angles of Death was also on the lost "Strange Geometry" album which had the tracklist: A Line (I Am) Ruler of the Universe The Age of the Meter Man Berlin Axes Elements Experiment with Density The Golden Mean Infinity Sine Power They've Got Your Number Trans Dimensional Man Turning Point Upside Down Volume Ten Void City Wave Upon Wave Zones From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 06:00:11 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:00:11 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:58:43 GMT Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > >Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased > > >tracks. > > Woah. W'at's this? I think it means that Trev Hughes, after a campaign lasting 20 years, finally persuaded Dave to release "Time For Sale". > Carl FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 06:15:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:15:00 +0000 Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Fri, 14 Mar 97 11:00 +0000 Message-ID: On 14 Mar 11:00, M Holmes wrote: > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > >Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many unreleased > > > >tracks. > > > > Woah. W'at's this? > > I think it means that Trev Hughes, after a campaign lasting 20 years, > finally persuaded Dave to release "Time For Sale". Wassat then? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Mar 14 09:04:16 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:04:16 -0600 Subject: Kadu Flyer (and ATTN: john M) Message-ID: Great maybe I'll give her a call as well, since only one of the two LPs paid for arrived at my house. BTW, Ron will you email their phone number, I can't seem to locate it at the moment. thanks, Doug Bates Systems Analyst @ (TUCC) Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham Voice: (205) 934-9087 Fax: (205) 975-7129 Mailto:dbates at uab.edu > hey. > Mary Bruce just called me about what i said to jon brown on here about > an > album not recieved. > She remembered the situation, and says she will send a replacement. > She also said that she agrees with me and that it were better if > people > did'nt use the flyer as an > outlet for merchandise or other material, as there is some recurring > problem with whoever it is they use for shipping. > > ATTN: JOHN M. - she asked me to tell you to call her. she wants to > settle with you as well. > > > rj > From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Mar 14 09:16:00 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:16:00 CST Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London Message-ID: Well, I hate to sound ignorant and all that, but.... I don't really recall just who Tim Blake was/is--I think he was a keyboardist around Levitation? In any event, I picked up a copy of his Video Magic video a few years ago, and wasn't terribly impressed with it. Is this not a good example of his work? I don't have any other of his solo material to compare it to. Just what makes him so noteworthy? I don't recall being terribly impressed with any HW keyboardist, in general, truthfully. What makes him stick out so much? Allan. agrohe at igate.sprint.com From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 4:38 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: Tim Blake live in London Andrew Gilham writes: > Short notice, I know, but I just noticed Tim Blake is first support to German > electronic outfit Tron at the Shpeherds Bush Empire Thursday night. > > No idea if it's part of a tour or not. If anyone gets more info, especially of more Blake Brit gigs, please let me know asap. Just in case, my home phone number is 0131-667-5046 And of course if anyone hears of tapes of this gig... FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 09:26:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:26:09 GMT Subject: Nik & Darxtar Message-ID: Does anyone have a tracklist for the Nik & Darxtar video including if possible the Darxtar tracks? Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 09:25:19 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:25:19 GMT Subject: HW: News from Dave In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:15:00 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > On 14 Mar 11:00, M Holmes wrote: > > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > >Astounding Sounds live album out 1st of May, including many > > > > >unreleased tracks. > > > Woah. W'at's this? > > I think it means that Trev Hughes, after a campaign lasting 20 > > years, finally persuaded Dave to release "Time For Sale". > Wassat then? It was a Calvert track played on the late 1976 tour. It depends whether the gig is from the early 1976 tour which featured Warrior stuff or the late 1976 tour which featured tracks from Amazing and early versions of Quark/PXR5 tracks. Time For Sale ============= Roll up everybody, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you're wasted price'll show ya' more surprise if you've got the blues Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. Works out quite expensive but you've a lot of time to pay So don't be apprehensive come on, buy up the time today Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Oh Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. Got what you need - it's all guarenteed You can have a time of a whale If the boss don't suit ya - you can try on the ledger You don't have to pay on the nail - I've got time for sale. 'ere.....D'you wanna buy some time? Want to buy some time? Coz' I've got second-hand time for sale. second hand time second hand time for sale. Take a look in his pouch You see what I see there? That's Helen Of Troy there! - He got Helen Of Troy there! You can have her if you pay for time second-hand time first hand time I've got first hand time, once upon a time a second a second a second a second I sicken for this time second hand time time time first hand time time time I can sell to you an hour or a complete eternity I can sell to you the power to have complete immortality Wouldn't you like to be the boy who could make the old mantra quale Lying in the arms of Helen Of Troy I've got time for sale From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Mar 14 09:51:54 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:51:54 CST Subject: HW: unreleased lp's Message-ID: OK, now I don't consider myself a HW neophyte by any means, but in my mailbox this morning, Mike Holmes and another unknown person (thanks to wonder that is Open Mail) mentioned two albums about which I've never heard. Now I presume that "time for Sale" is simply a live album dating from the Amazing... tour, based on the note Dave Brock sent to Paul. I can deal with that. There are a bizillion live tapes/tours/etc. that I've never heard, and never will (that's what the afterlife's for, obviously ;-> However, a post also appeared about the 'lost' HW album "Strange Geometries", tracklist: A Line (I Am) Ruler of the Universe The Age of the Meter Man Berlin Axes Elements Experiment with Density The Golden Mean Infinity Sine Power They've Got Your Number Trans Dimensional Man Turning Point Upside Down Volume Ten Void City Wave Upon Wave Zones What's the story on this one? It looks like it's obviously around the Zones era, with tinges of Brock's first solo lp??? Help me boc-l list, you're my only hope! Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 10:06:50 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:06:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: <9703141023.aa10835@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > Short notice, I know, but I just noticed Tim Blake is first support to German > > electronic outfit Tron at the Shpeherds Bush Empire Thursday night. > > And I recieved this at 4.57pm yesterday, and by 7.02pm I was at the fabled ticket office of the Shebherd's Bush Empire, paying my 9 pounds entry. Time was meant to be the second act, but Ankh had a car crash so he went on at 8.27pm and palyed for just over an hour. First up was lighthouse, which was quite different to the New Jerusalem version (it took me a couple of minutes of noodling to be sure it was Lighthouse) however the vocals were very good. I seem to think that when I saw him at the fridge I disliked some of his vocals, but this was spot on. He was alone on stage sitting with one or two keybaords, (one might have just been a computer keyboard), a computer monitor, and something that was probably a sequencer or mixer for stuff that he wasn't playing. Second was Holywell, which was slow and quiet, and had a bit of a groove. Apparently this will be the second half of his new album, 'out soon'. Then he introduced a friend from Brittany who played acoustic guitar (after various noodlings and tunings) for 'A song for a new age', which I love, but the guitar was generally lost in the mix, and Tim's vocals were suffering from what I call Huwie's problem. Can be perfect on CD, but live often sounds as if he needs to clear his throat. Then the French guitarist changed to an elctric guitar, and they did 'Sarajevo', a cross between the less acrobatic bits of the vocal line of Biko (even with raised fists) and some keyboard bits that weren't amazing. The line that sticks in my head (as it made up most of the lyrics) is No More War, with the odd Sarajevo thrown in. Inspired by humans being beastly to each other, and he was reminded of this by seeing 10 year olds with SMG in Albania on the TV. He then went into a Reggae influenced number, afetr various problems with his capricious computer not loading things properly. I'll call this 'True believer', because those are the lyrics I recall. He then did a long instrumental that was good, and I don't think it was off Magick, still with the electric guitar being played (if not heard). He then went back to acoustic guitar and Tim used no backing stuff to play a simple piece dedicated to his mother, a sort of Richard Clayderman piece, with lyrics all about how beautiful people are when they pray oin their knees everyday. He says it is his current favourite piece, I say it is not my favourite piece by him. He finished off with a taster from his new album, with lyrics about dreamers. By this time his throat definitely needed clearing. There were between 100 and 200 people there, including Trev Hughes, Keith the Bass and Steffy Sharpstrings. Doug Smith was meant to be there, according to Trev, but as I don't know what he looks like I couldn't take him outside and have words with him. Other gossip: Here and NOw are 2 months into recording their follow up to UFOasis, and will be going to Italy as a 3 piece (drums, bass, geetar and keyboards set off by triggers). The new stuff is a change to UFOasis. Trev is trying to get Hawkwind to tour with Amon Duul as their support in the Autumn (well he has sent their manager's phone numbers to each other). In the Hawkfriends at the gig it claims that LiS 12" remix by Zeus will be available in May, with a live Lord of Light. Hurrah. Apparently the new Dave album is called 7696 and will be out in June on EBS, and contains old stuff as well as new. A British Festival gig on Aug 2nd at Kettering has been mentioned for Hawkwind. I tried to have a chat with Tim afterwards, but he was busy chatting with family and friends, but Trev implied it was a one off gig. Is there anyone who is a member of GAS that might have more info? Is there an online gong list I could join? However there was talk of a new album, and there are plenty of new songs (well if we ignore Lighthouse and SfaNA there is at least 45/50 mins written and performable) so new product seems likely, and then there might even be a tour for all of those of you who couldn't make it to london in the time allowed. I didn't see any taping going on, but there were lots of cameras in evidence so I guess it would have been easy to get a tape machine in. Mike w OBCD:New Jerusalem. PS Thanks Andy for the info. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 10:28:22 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:28:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: <0007jjvpzbtz.H0000d990007da9c@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > Well, I hate to sound ignorant and all that, but.... > > I don't really recall just who Tim Blake was/is--I think he was a > keyboardist around Levitation? In any event, I picked up a copy of his > Video Magic video a few years ago, and wasn't terribly impressed with > it. Is this not a good example of his work? I don't have any other of > his solo material to compare it to. Magick is the worst of his proper releases. If you like Lighthouse from Live 79 then immediately get hold of a copy of Blakes New Jerusalem (which was available on Mantra Records, 101 Avenue du General Leclerc, 75014 Paris, no. Mantra 068). If you like less vocal synthy stuff (like some aspects of TD) the immediately rush along and get hold of his other official release, Crystal Machine (no details to hand). He is completely brill on those, and it is a pity that I don't like his newer stuff so much (although Waiting for Nati on Magick is as good as Lighthouse/New Jerusalem, and coincidently written around the same time). He was also in Gong for a bit, and I haven't let that put me off going to see him (which is about as high a recommendation I can give). Further note for trivia fans, one of the first songs he wrote (poosibly the first, his microhone technique wasn't very clear) was on the first evening with gong, when he wrote Song for a New Age, which is surprising as it only appeared on his second album (in Gong 71-75 ish, under the name Hi T Moonweed, Crystal Machine 77, NJ 78, Hawkwind 79/80ish, Magick 91, hmm quite a quiet decade the 80s, I think he was at the Gong reunion gigs which were two years ago?) le grand michel w OBCDBrian Eno Desert Island Selection with Paul Rudolph and Simon King on some tracks From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 14 10:33:33 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:33:33 -0500 Subject: HW: unreleased lp's Message-ID: Allan wonders... >OK, now I don't consider myself a HW neophyte by any means, >but in my mailbox this morning, Mike Holmes and another >unknown person (thanks to wonder that is Open Mail) mentioned >two albums about which I've never heard. Now I presume that >"time for Sale" is simply a live album dating from the >Amazing... tour, based on the note Dave Brock sent to Paul. I >can deal with that. There are a bizillion live >tapes/tours/etc. that I've never heard, and never will (that's >what the afterlife's for, obviously ;-> > >However, a post also appeared about the 'lost' HW album >"Strange Geometries", tracklist: > >A Line (I Am) >Ruler of the Universe >The Age of the Meter Man >Berlin Axes >Elements >Experiment with Density >The Golden Mean >Infinity >Sine Power >They've Got Your Number >Trans Dimensional Man >Turning Point >Upside Down >Volume Ten >Void City >Wave Upon Wave >Zones > >What's the story on this one? It looks like it's obviously >around the Zones era, with tinges of Brock's first solo lp??? Uhhhhh...I dunno.....sounds like a joke, me thinks. I mean, really, Experiment with Density??? Everyone knows it's really Experiment with Specific Gravity!! Keith H. (FAA) P.S. And as for Volume Ten (Valium 10?)--you should know that Spinal Tap later put out a much better version of this song called Volume Eleven. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Mar 14 10:34:48 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:34:48 EST Subject: HW: News from Dave Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:03:27 GMT "Carl E. Anderson" writes: >> I also shall miss Alan. Also, with Ron playing bass, does that mean >he >> will no longer be performing songs in costume, or will someone else >> (Jerry??) play bass during some of those songs? > > I volunteer :) Have Rick, will travel. As soon as I bother to >finish >learning the Lord of Light riff I'm ready to roll :) What year and model Rickenbacher do you have? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Mar 14 10:34:48 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:34:48 EST Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London Message-ID: >I don't really recall just who Tim Blake was/is--I think he was a >keyboardist around Levitation? In any event, I picked up a copy of >his >Video Magic video a few years ago, and wasn't terribly impressed with >it. Is this not a good example of his work? I don't have any other >of >his solo material to compare it to. > >Just what makes him so noteworthy? I don't recall being terribly >impressed with any HW keyboardist, in general, truthfully. What makes >him stick out so much? One word: GONG. Blake was the keyboardist on _Angel's Egg_ and _You_, as well as the live album(s) around that period. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Mar 14 10:34:48 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:34:48 EST Subject: HW: unreleased lp's Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:51:54 CST "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." writes: >OK, now I don't consider myself a HW neophyte by any means, >but in my mailbox this morning, Mike Holmes and another >unknown person (thanks to wonder that is Open Mail) mentioned >two albums about which I've never heard. Now I presume that >"time for Sale" is simply a live album dating from the >Amazing... tour, based on the note Dave Brock sent to Paul. I "time for sale" was/is a single track which appeared on the '76 tour, written by Calvert. >However, a post also appeared about the 'lost' HW album >"Strange Geometries", tracklist: > >A Line (I Am) >Ruler of the Universe >The Age of the Meter Man >Berlin Axes >Elements >Experiment with Density >The Golden Mean >Infinity >Sine Power >They've Got Your Number >Trans Dimensional Man >Turning Point >Upside Down >Volume Ten >Void City >Wave Upon Wave >Zones This actually is a very sick joke, kind of like _Caution_? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 11:22:04 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:22:04 GMT Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s message of Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:16:00 CST Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > Well, I hate to sound ignorant and all that, but.... > > I don't really recall just who Tim Blake was/is--I think he was a > keyboardist around Levitation? Yep. He'd had a little to do with Hawkwind in the very early days at Clearwater. Tim played for Gong before pursuing a solo career. > In any event, I picked up a copy of his > Video Magic video a few years ago, and wasn't terribly impressed with > it. Is this not a good example of his work? I don't have any other of > his solo material to compare it to. Magic was pretty dire and Tim ended up opposed to releasing the video although contractual reasons forced Voiceprint to supply preordered copies (about 18 months later!). I wasn't aware that it made commercial release? I get the impression that the cassette was just some doodling he'd done at home and somehow got persuaded to release. Part of the problem with the whol Majick tour was that Tim has frequently suffered from twin delusions that: a) He can sing, and b) He's Gary Glitter. This led to him moving away from proper keyboards and instead using one of those guitar/keyboard thingies. The dressing up in silver is perhaps more forgivable and is an acceptable, if more than slighly risible, piece of eccentricity in the rock genre. Unfortunately he compounded the error by singing along to some tracks and generally spoiling the music. This coupled with the fact that he'd clearly not spent a huge deal of time on the pieces made the whole tour look like the amateurish work it was. > Just what makes him so noteworthy? At his best, he can use synths in a way which I've only heard bettered by Rick Wakeman and in some ELP stuff. He sounds like jean Michel Jarre except without the triteness and with some mood. > I don't recall being terribly > impressed with any HW keyboardist, in general, truthfully. What makes > him stick out so much? Get hold of his album "Blake's New Jerusalem" and listen to the title track. The synth playing is superb. Admittedly he does sing, but had the decency to put it through a vocoder in this album. His other album "Crystal Machine" is IMHO not as good but does contain synth noodling at least of the quality of Brock and Bainbridge's better stuff. I've also heard live tapes from that period, and some of it is so glowing and moody that I really wish I'd been to at least one Blake gig of that era. The tape "Waterfalls in Space" (from Orsay?) is excellent and I wish I had a better quality copy. There were rumours that Blake would do a new album this year. I hope that his return to gigging indicates that this is so, and that he's learned something from the Majick tour. P.S. As well as any tape from this gig/tour, I'm also still looking for any tape of Blake's solo spots at the Gong 25th anniversary reunion gigs. I'll offer a good deal for such. Does anyone know if any records were released from that gig which include solo Blake stuff? > Allan. FoFP From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 11:43:38 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:43:38 +0000 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat In-Reply-To: <199703131435.JAA01903@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > BOC Chat Tidbits: > Buck (in response to what's up with the new album): BOC > record is stalled, trouble w/German company.. release probably > set back six months... Stalling undoubtedly caused by a G-load disaster from the rate of climb! - Mike Godwin From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 11:59:09 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:59:09 GMT Subject: HW: unreleased lp's In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s message of Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:51:54 CST Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > However, a post also appeared about the 'lost' HW album > "Strange Geometries", tracklist: ah - I think you've just got to get the right angle on this one and it all becomes horribly clear 8-) > A Line (I Am) > Ruler of the Universe this one is the 12" version I take it - or is there a smaller 6" that I haven't found yet? > The Age of the Meter Man > Berlin Axes > Elements > Experiment with Density > The Golden Mean > Infinity > Sine Power > They've Got Your Number > Trans Dimensional Man > Turning Point > Upside Down > Volume Ten > Void City > Wave Upon Wave > Zones > > Help me boc-l list, you're my only hope! actually I don't think you're the one that needs help..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 14 12:00:37 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:00:37 PST Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London In-Reply-To: <19970314.103911.14478.1.IanFines@juno.com>; from "Ian R Fines" at Mar 14, 97 10:34 am Message-ID: > > > >Just what makes him so noteworthy? I don't recall being terribly > >impressed with any HW keyboardist, in general, truthfully. What makes > >him stick out so much? > > One word: GONG. Blake was the keyboardist on _Angel's Egg_ and _You_, > as well as the live album(s) around that period. > Not to picking the nit, but I think a more accurate term would be Gongs' synthesist. I seem to remember that he didn't play a keyboard as much as he manipulated the old VCS3 (which didn't need a keyboard for an input device i.e. the famous Wood Axe controller). Most definitly, he used a keyboard later on, but there was a stage where he didn't. I might be thinking of Hillage's FISH RISIN, as Blake was on that one, too. And as far as my vote for the best HW ivory-tickler, my vote goes to Simon House. Note that the releases that he played on seem to rate right up there in the top of the HW polls...just listen to the 'Tron intro on WotEoT (with Herr Lemmy on bass). Bainbridge and Brock are both fine, but House still has 'em beat! objCDPlayer: Ron Boots: Dreamscape -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 14 12:40:19 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:40:19 GMT Subject: Another lost Hawkwind album? Message-ID: Someone was asking about the "Strange Geometries" album. This was widely believed to be a sequel to the even more rare "Motorway City" album. The tracklist for this was: The Age of the Mini Van Automatic Back in the Boot Kerb Crawler Gearbox Pollution The Speed Camera That Could Lie Deathtrap Kings of Speed Motorway City Right to Deeside Streets of Fear The Wizard Blew His Horn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 14 12:51:19 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:51:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: > BOC Chat Tidbits: > Buck (in response to what's up with the new album): BOC > record is stalled, trouble w/German company.. release probably > set back six months... Stalling undoubtedly caused by a G-load disaster from the rate of climb! Yeah, well there's no reward for failure - but death! Eager to feed, John From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 14 13:56:41 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:56:41 +0100 Subject: Nik & Darxtar Message-ID: At 14:26 1997-03-14 GMT, you wrote: >Does anyone have a tracklist for the Nik & Darxtar video including if >possible the Darxtar tracks? > >Cheers > >FoFP I've sent the question to the Commander for further decoding, together with tracklist for the forthcoming new HW albums ;0) The Wizard Blew his Horn. the hawXtar live CD-R isn't too far away now, the cover was pressed today. cheers - \\joe From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 14 14:15:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:15:00 +0000 Subject: Another lost Hawkwind album? In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Fri, 14 Mar 97 17:40 +0000 Message-ID: On 14 Mar 17:40, M Holmes wrote: > Someone was asking about the "Strange Geometries" album. This was widely > believed to be a sequel to the even more rare "Motorway City" album. The > tracklist for this was: Note: this is just the tracks that made it to the (admittedly rare) CD version. The original, even harder to get hold of, double LP has the following extra tracks: Chronoglide Freeway Rear Mirror of Illusion Roadrage Madness The Dented Van Time We Left (This Town Today) D(espatch) Rider and On Arrival In Utoxeter > The Age of the Mini Van > Automatic > Back in the Boot > Kerb Crawler > Gearbox Pollution > The Speed Camera That Could Lie > Deathtrap > Kings of Speed > Motorway City > Right to Deeside > Streets of Fear > The Wizard Blew His Horn -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Mar 14 14:56:02 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:56:02 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: Mary Bruce called just the other day (very kind of her) to ask whether there was anything I hadn't received from them. Being the good people they are, the Bruces are eager to set all matters straight as regards problems with their publication/distributorship of Hawkish stuff. Apparently they have had some unfavorable experiences with a disreputable mailer. John Majka flossbac at wcic,org From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Mar 14 15:24:41 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:24:41 EST Subject: HW: Steve Swann, I blame you! Message-ID: An open letter to Steve Swann: Dear Steve, A few weeks ago, I was happy. I had 5 Hawkwind CDs, and a few others on tape, and I was happy. Then I was casually reading the space-music digest, when I stumbled upon a post from Ken Alexander, who was offering up some hard-to-find Tangerine Dream items. He also had a bunch of Hawkwind CDs for sale. I bit, and bought one (_The Business Trip_). After hearing that, I bit again (_Love in Space_, _The Friday Rock Show Sessions_, _Out & Intake_). Then I bit again (_Palace Springs_, _Do Not Panic_), though by this time I should more appropriately say that I was bitten. I then snatched up _Best of Friends & Relations_ in a trade. Yesterday I took the big plunge and joined this list. And after reading the rumor that Griffin is no longer going to be putting out HW CDs, I zipped out to a local store last night and picked up 4 more: _Choose Your Masques_, _Astound- ing Sounds_, _Sonic Attack_, and _Quark: Strangeness and Charm_ - that last one was an upgrade from a dubbed copy, so I knew that I was hooked. Hard. I don't know who the heck you are, but this is all your fault, Steve. I had told myself that I wouldn't buy any more Hawkdisks, because I knew that it was a money pit. (I said the same thing about Tangerine Dream about 4 years ago. Now, ~50 TD CDs later...) I'm probably headed for the poor house. But wherever I end up, I know I'll be listening to some kick-ass music. "Blame is transitive." - Ken Alexander MWood P.S. to all: Since I was able to get all those Griffin CDs yesterday, I know that Griffin will recover from whatever ails it, and will soon reissue all those titles with many bonus tracks. You can all thank me personally when that happens. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Mar 14 10:28:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:28:17 -0000 Subject: unreleased lp's Message-ID: > A Line (I Am) > Ruler of the Universe > The Age of the Meter Man > Berlin Axes > Elements > Experiment with Density > The Golden Mean > Infinity > Sine Power > They've Got Your Number > Trans Dimensional Man > Turning Point > Upside Down > Volume Ten > Void City > Wave Upon Wave > Zones > > What's the story on this one? It looks like it's obviously > around the Zones era, with tinges of Brock's first solo lp??? > > > Help me boc-l list, you're my only hope! > > Allan. hehehe.. some great humor originates on this list... but as for the album, i took it as a joke, a mess of hawkwind song titles warped into mathematical jargon.... was i wrong?!?!? rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Mar 14 10:31:32 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:31:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London Message-ID: > >Just what makes him so noteworthy? I don't recall being terribly > >impressed with any HW keyboardist, in general, truthfully. What makes > >him stick out so much? > > One word: GONG. Blake was the keyboardist on _Angel's Egg_ and _You_, > as well as the live album(s) around that period. yup. and that is what makes him noteworthy,IMO, >his associations<. by himself i find him unimpressive. not to slander him, i just havent been amazed by anything... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Mar 14 10:37:09 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:37:09 -0000 Subject: Another lost Hawkwind album? Message-ID: mike, you rule. draw up the graphix, and send it to paul. rj > Someone was asking about the "Strange Geometries" album. This was widely > believed to be a sequel to the even more rare "Motorway City" album. The > tracklist for this was: > > > The Age of the Mini Van > Automatic > Back in the Boot > Kerb Crawler > Gearbox Pollution > The Speed Camera That Could Lie > Deathtrap > Kings of Speed > Motorway City > Right to Deeside > Streets of Fear > The Wizard Blew His Horn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 14 18:54:08 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:54:08 -0500 Subject: Steve Swann, I blame you! Message-ID: Steve, me laddie, ya' done good again! Welcome aboard, Marshall, I know your name from somewhere, r.m.p I do believe. Anyway, good to have another one join the clan... Craig Shipley ---------- From: Marshall Wood[SMTP:mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM] Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Steve Swann, I blame you! An open letter to Steve Swann: Dear Steve, A few weeks ago, I was happy. I had 5 Hawkwind CDs, and a few others on tape, and I was happy. Then I was casually reading the space-music digest, when I stumbled upon a post from Ken Alexander, who was offering up some hard-to-find Tangerine Dream items. He also had a bunch of Hawkwind CDs for sale. I bit, and bought one (_The Business Trip_). After hearing that, I bit again (_Love in Space_, _The Friday Rock Show Sessions_, _Out & Intake_). Then I bit again (_Palace Springs_, _Do Not Panic_), though by this time I should more appropriately say that I was bitten. I then snatched up _Best of Friends & Relations_ in a trade. Yesterday I took the big plunge and joined this list. And after reading the rumor that Griffin is no longer going to be putting out HW CDs, I zipped out to a local store last night and picked up 4 more: _Choose Your Masques_, _Astound- ing Sounds_, _Sonic Attack_, and _Quark: Strangeness and Charm_ - that last one was an upgrade from a dubbed copy, so I knew that I was hooked. Hard. I don't know who the heck you are, but this is all your fault, Steve. I had told myself that I wouldn't buy any more Hawkdisks, because I knew that it was a money pit. (I said the same thing about Tangerine Dream about 4 years ago. Now, ~50 TD CDs later...) I'm probably headed for the poor house. But wherever I end up, I know I'll be listening to some kick-ass music. "Blame is transitive." - Ken Alexander MWood P.S. to all: Since I was able to get all those Griffin CDs yesterday, I know that Griffin will recover from whatever ails it, and will soon reissue all those titles with many bonus tracks. You can all thank me personally when that happens. From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Mar 14 19:45:40 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:45:40 -0700 Subject: HW: Tim Blake live in London Message-ID: Craig wrote: >Not to picking the nit, but I think a more accurate term would be Gongs' >synthesist. I seem to remember that he didn't play a keyboard as much as >he manipulated the old VCS3 (which didn't need a keyboard for an input device i.e. the famous Wood Axe controller). Actually, I think the synth Blake was using back then was an EMS Synthi-A, the briefcase cousin of the VCS3. This can be seen on the cover of New Jerusalem (the one in the back of the room with colored knobs), and is the same kind that Del runs his axe through, I think. I recently acquired one of these after much effort (they're extremely rare) and it is capable of some truly wild noises. I think it was a Synthi that was responsible for a lot of the "whooshing" and "gurgling" noises in Space Ritual-era HW. Another example is the airplane noises on PF's Dark Side of the Moon. It requires a lot of experimenting however, because every signal has to be routed by means of a resistor pushpin matrix, which maps control and signal inputs to outputs. This allows for amazingly complex signal routings, but makes it not very practical for live situations. EMS also made a monophonic keyboard to use with it, and I have one of these but it has never worked, and is in the shop at the moment. I have a shitload of other psychedelic music toys. Does anyone want to move to Oregon to start a Space Rock project? Chris chris_baxley at sonymusic.com obCD - Hair and Skin Trading Co., _Jo in Nine G Hell_ (ex-Loop members - wicked!) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Mar 15 01:57:54 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:57:54 +0100 Subject: Another lost Hawkwind album? Message-ID: >mike, you rule. draw up the graphix, and send it to paul. rj the graphics that was drawn for the "Strange Geometries" album was used later as front cover for the "Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin". A rejected idea was used for the ICU album "New Anatomy". \\joe >> Someone was asking about the "Strange Geometries" album. This was widely >> believed to be a sequel to the even more rare "Motorway City" album. The >> tracklist for this was: >> >> >> The Age of the Mini Van >> Automatic >> Back in the Boot >> Kerb Crawler >> Gearbox Pollution >> The Speed Camera That Could Lie >> Deathtrap >> Kings of Speed >> Motorway City >> Right to Deeside >> Streets of Fear >> The Wizard Blew His Horn > > From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Mar 15 05:04:48 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:04:48 +0100 Subject: HW: New line-up. Message-ID: Greetings spacecadets! I?ve read about the new line-up in Hawkwind and personally I think this will once again be an injection and a new chapter in the space-saga. Although I?ll miss Alan "the bass-assasin" Davey, I?m sure Ron will do a great job and Jerry?s work so far in the band, judging by what I?ve heard on various tapes, is getting high marks from me (I?m sure Bernhard agree). So expect only good things from Hawkwind in the future. I?m also looking forward to the release of Dave?s new CD, the Psychedelic warriors CD and the new Astounding sounds live. Right now I?m listening to "White zone" and it?s a CD that is still giving me new kicks. The only backlash is that they never release the single they promised us long time ago, perhaps you could convince Dave to release it Paul? All the best from a sunny Sundsvall Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 15 09:39:18 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:39:18 +1000 Subject: HW: More gossip Message-ID: Hi All, These excerpts just in from Douglas in the Jungle ..... > Dave and kris's site is mainly going to deal with the merchandising which > needs to become a little more formalised. > Alan is working on his own project called Bedouin and will features Danny > Thompson as I'm sure you know, one of Hawkwind's past drummers and Sean > Massett from Capt Rizz+ on guitar. > As to whether Alan will play more dates with Hawkwind in future is > anyone's guess the band is so fluid anyway, however Dave and Richard will > remain the nucleous of the live unit and for the time being both Ron and > Jerry will continue to play with them. Ron who hasn't played bass for a > while now is just getting back into it and Jerry has over the past ten > years played with Dave and Hawkwind on a number occassions. > EBS will continue to be Dave, Richard and Alan along with ourselves and > both Alan and Richard have been constantly working on their solo projects > and establishing themselves. Hawkwind will inevitably slow down live wise > and these two are still only in their 30s and 40s. > The new studio album is currently being worked on and will be released in > September as they are still deep into the writing of it at present. > Dave's new album is in fact a compilation of his recordings and is called > 'BROCK 7696'and in fact is currently scheduled for 9th June. > Astounding sounds Live is scheduled for release on the 23rd of June and > has a working title of 'Astounding, Amazing & Live' It is not 'Live 74'.I > am informed that it was recorded in 1976 and features Nik, Dave, Blackie, > Robert, Powell, House & King. I am busily clearing the release with them > all at the moment. > Live 74 was recorded at the Chicago Auditorium on the Paragon 16 track > mobile and is owned by EMI and will be released by them during the year. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 15 09:41:16 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:41:16 +1000 Subject: HW: Richard Chadwick Message-ID: Hi again, Someone posted something about raising funds for Richard Chadwick's girlfriend (who is ill) a while back. APparantely Richard is trying to find out about it .... is the info on a WWW page anywhere? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 15 10:13:11 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 01:13:11 +1000 Subject: HW: New line-up. In-Reply-To: <332A7440.7C87@sundsvall.mail.telia.com> Message-ID: On 15 Mar 97 at 11:04, Henrik Hallgren wrote: > The only backlash is that they never release the single they promised us > long time ago, perhaps you could convince Dave to release it Paul? I doubt that I could convince Dave of anything .... but it certainly can't hurt to ask where it is! The LiS EP I assume you are talking about? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 15 10:19:05 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 01:19:05 +1000 Subject: HW: New WWW Page and LOGO update Message-ID: Hi all, Just came across this HW page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Alos, I just replace the Windows 95 Startup logo with a (slightly) improved version: ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hawkwind.zip Yours in Space, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Mar 15 09:23:02 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Richard Chadwick Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > Hi again, > > Someone posted something about raising funds for Richard Chadwick's > girlfriend (who is ill) a while back. APparantely Richard is trying to find > out about it .... is the info on a WWW page anywhere? > > Sonique > > -- it was chris and mary bruce at kadu flyer. tell richard to contact them.. rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 15 10:37:51 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 01:37:51 +1000 Subject: Calling Robert Rudich ... Message-ID: Rob, when I try to mail you it bounces: 554 ... 550 Host unknown (Valid name but no A or MX) Are you out there somewhere???? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Mar 15 12:59:08 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of ungodly vision) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:59:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: hey! all right! get down!:life and times of Harvester of Eyes Message-ID: Due to the recent discussions of the live lps, I have a question which has been itchin' for a while: Where did the hyperboogie ending on OYFoOYK's "Harvester" originate from? and did Eric ever attempt to do his little speach at the end of _ST_'s "Harvester" live? Other thing I noticed though non BOC.... were "Gimme Nothin'" and "If U Come Close" recorded right after each other? The jangly guitar/albertron jangling sound too smooth in listening to the tunes back to back. 3rd thing in the realm of the ultra-trivial: Could the 1890's look to Nine Inch Nails song "the perfect drug" (i think somewhere in Imaginos' liner notes the Magna of Illusion is described that way (or it could have been in Mr.Levy's description of the whole Imaginos thing) be a very indirect homage to that rather keen lp? Worth a shot :) One other thing maybe of the faq is the live ending of (DF)tR is essentially the end segment of "Gil Blanco County." If its already been said, then let this message self-destruct in 5 seconds. listening to too much Procol Harum these days, Jason From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Mar 15 14:13:40 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:13:40 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: HW: new line-up] Message-ID: -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Henrik Hallgren Subject: RE: HW: new line-up Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:15:53 +0100 Size: 1448 URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 15 12:41:12 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:41:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Terribly Ill 12" In-Reply-To: <199703142024.PAA04130@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Apparantly recorded when the band had all got the flu after a long tour... The Wizard Blew His Nose Saliva Machine You'd Better Relieve It Born To Go and then there was the time when the band were a little under-rehearsed and had to play 3 or 4 "Ejection"s In The Course Of A Night I'll just get my coat, then, shall I........? -- Jon Browne From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Sat Mar 15 14:30:32 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:30:32 GMT Subject: Eh? Message-ID: What the heck? i don't get a thing about that Harvester of Eyes message. Maybe I've lost it, but I'm not THAT sure! Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Sat Mar 15 16:15:09 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:15:09 GMT Subject: BOC - RBN question Message-ID: Having just listened to Revolution By Night, surely the co-writer (along with BD) of Dragon Lady must be a piss take - B. Blotto?!!? No I can't believe it! If this person does exist who is it?, and why do they have such comedy value in their name?! Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Mar 15 16:57:36 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:57:36 -0500 Subject: BOC - RBN question...Are we not men? We are BLOTTO!! Message-ID: No, no piss-take here! There was a band in the early '80's called Blotto and their claim to fame was that all of the member of the band had the last name of "Blotto". The only LP (I don't think they ever got a CD release) was titled something like "Hello, My Name Is Blotto" with a woman's body with a bass drum (?) where here head should be. The drum had "Blotto" emblazoned upon it. And I think BD guested on it, so the appearance by one of the "Blotto's" was a reciprocation. (Why do I have this image in my mind of Buck wielding his guitar like an M-16 in an eMpTyVee video? Was this the Blotto video, or something else???) objCDPlayer: Steely Dan / Citizen Steely Dan Craig "Blotto" Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: THE CIDER KING[SMTP:PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 1997 4:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC - RBN question Having just listened to Revolution By Night, surely the co-writer (along with BD) of Dragon Lady must be a piss take - B. Blotto?!!? No I can't believe it! If this person does exist who is it?, and why do they have such comedy value in their name?! Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Mar 15 17:42:44 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:42:44 -0500 Subject: BOC - RBN question...Are we not men? We are BLOTTO Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > Was this the Blotto video, or something else??? That was the video for Blotto's "Metalhead", which featured a feverish "Marshall Plan"-style guitar solo by Buck. The end of the video,as I recall, showed him as a character throwing down his guitar in disgust and frustration at his inability to play along with the song on TV. That video (along w/?) was a "video 45" on videocassette, and can probably be found without a great deal of difficulty (I rented it some years back). -Chris Baker From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Mar 15 19:02:18 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:02:18 -0600 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: To all listmembers, The Welcome To The Future site has just been updated to include the 1997 Tour Dates for the UK and the open letter from Doug regarding the new CD release entitled 'Onward Flys the Bird - Live and Rare'. In the letter he sent to me to put on the site, there was a PS regarding certain activity on this group. The PS went like this: 'PS for all of you that are planning to bookleg Hawkwind, Family and Friend's albums via BOC/HW, they would be grateful if you didn't.' Now I've been a fan for many, many years know that most Hawkwind fans have a private collection of shows on tape, and this in itself does no harm to the band - we treasure those tapes as some of them are of shows that we've been to. Most tapes have been swapped between fans for other tapes and there is only a small percent of boots that have actually been paid for at record fairs where someone actually does make money from the band without consent. I have noticed that there have been some on the BOC-HW list that have been talking about putting out CDs and CD-rs. In this new age of digital technology these mainly innocent CDs are easily copied by the unscrupulous bootleggers that do intend to make a quick buck from the band. If I have noticed this (and I don't pay a huge amount of attention to the daily postings on the group), you can bet your bollocks that other people will and may take action - this doesn't just mean the band themselves by any means. I am just trying to point out that the list archives are kept for all to read, that the band are really trying to stop the bootlegs that get distributed without consent and without any payment to shops/mail order firms/record fairs etc., and would urge you to keep an eye on things from now on. Yours with sincere wishes and in all due respect, Star Rats From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Mar 15 19:18:26 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:18:26 -0500 Subject: BOC - We are BLOTTO (or at least workin' on it...) Message-ID: (Smacking my forehead and uttering a Homer Simson-esque "D'Oh!!) Why couldn't I remember "Metalhead"?!? There are times when I go around singing to myself "Metalhead, I'm a metalhead". I think it is all of these Abita Turbo Dogs....(a great micro-brew from N'Awlins). Firmly behind the keyboard and NOT behind the wheel... objCDPlayer: BOC / WotT Disc II (My sons love this disk! Especially the eleven-year old; he's into the monster/super-natural stage...) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Chris Baker[SMTP:Nebosuke at AOL.COM] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 1997 5:42 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC - RBN question...Are we not men? We are BLOTTO Craig Shipley wrote: > Was this the Blotto video, or something else??? That was the video for Blotto's "Metalhead", which featured a feverish "Marshall Plan"-style guitar solo by Buck. The end of the video,as I recall, showed him as a character throwing down his guitar in disgust and frustration at his inability to play along with the song on TV. That video (along w/?) was a "video 45" on videocassette, and can probably be found without a great deal of difficulty (I rented it some years back). -Chris Baker -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2238 bytes Desc: not available URL: From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Mar 15 19:42:03 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:42:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Horsemen Arrive Message-ID: Hey!! I was sittin' there watching the SCI/FI channel saturday, waiting for my all time fave show to come on, watching the very tail end of some cheesy movie called "arcade" or something. I was watching the credits for this thing roll and I notice the musical credits.... There, sure enough is "The Horsemen Arrive" by BOC. I notice that this movie is also a Moonstone/ Full Moon deal like Bad Channels. So does Moonstone have the right to use this song in any movie they slap together? Since they obviously like BOC, maybe they can have them do 2 songs for a couple of more movies, and we can get enough new songs to call it a new album? Just wishful thinking I guess. Or it could be the coffee talking. :^D Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "And I know that where the chains of doom are kept, I find my shoes..." ******************************************************************* From raider at PIPELINE.COM Sat Mar 15 20:21:16 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:21:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: Hey there. Saw your note on AOL about since Robo's site has gone down, there's no site to make all the chat logs available. I would be honored to have the logs on my site. SO if ya want, you can email me all the chat logs you have, and I'll put them up on the site. that way you won't have to keep sending these logs out to everyone :) seeya Brian ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Mar 15 20:21:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:21:30 -0500 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: Yo, Mr. Rats... One thing that I thought of doing (but haven't done yet, as the number of boots that I own can be counted on one hand, with a finger or two left over) was mailing five bucks or so to the band that I own the bootleg of. (My boots are of Camel and Tangerine Dream and if I was going to send money to one of the two, Mr. Latimers' band would get it before Herr Froese would...) I realize that this would require that the owners of the boots have sympathy for the band that they own a bootleg of and I think that the HW/BOC mailing list would tend to support the band this way other than, say, a mailing list for Pink Floyd, whose band members are multi-millionaires to begin with. Maybe this is just my way of trying to salve a guilty conscience, but I think that the bands that we love and support should not be the losers in the bootleg game. I do support the bands by buying most all of the legitimate product I can (and in several cases, multiple copies in multiple formats. Exception, I will never buy another copy of "Bring Me The Head of Y.G." in any format; the crappy vinyl is enough...) Anyways, the only time that I have ever made copies of material that I own for distribution was to help spread the word about the band (i.e. Ozric Tentacles). No profit was made by me and a whole release was never copied. I like to think that I helped the band instead of hurting it. Whaddaya think? objCassette Deck: Uriah Heep / homebrewed Best Of (yes, I own all the CD's) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Star Rats[SMTP:Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 1997 7:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News To all listmembers, The Welcome To The Future site has just been updated to include the 1997 Tour Dates for the UK and the open letter from Doug regarding the new CD release entitled 'Onward Flys the Bird - Live and Rare'. In the letter he sent to me to put on the site, there was a PS regarding certain activity on this group. The PS went like this: 'PS for all of you that are planning to bookleg Hawkwind, Family and Friend's albums via BOC/HW, they would be grateful if you didn't.' Now I've been a fan for many, many years know that most Hawkwind fans have a private collection of shows on tape, and this in itself does no harm to the band - we treasure those tapes as some of them are of shows that we've been to. Most tapes have been swapped between fans for other tapes and there is only a small percent of boots that have actually been paid for at record fairs where someone actually does make money from the band without consent. I have noticed that there have been some on the BOC-HW list that have been talking about putting out CDs and CD-rs. In this new age of digital technology these mainly innocent CDs are easily copied by the unscrupulous bootleggers that do intend to make a quick buck from the band. If I have noticed this (and I don't pay a huge amount of attention to the daily postings on the group), you can bet your bollocks that other people will and may take action - this doesn't just mean the band themselves by any means. I am just trying to point out that the list archives are kept for all to read, that the band are really trying to stop the bootlegs that get distributed without consent and without any payment to shops/mail order firms/record fairs etc., and would urge you to keep an eye on things from now on. Yours with sincere wishes and in all due respect, Star Rats -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3512 bytes Desc: not available URL: From raider at PIPELINE.COM Sat Mar 15 20:42:25 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:42:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: btw, that last message I sent out was intended for John Swartz. I didn't realize it was gonna send it out to the ENTIRE mailing list. my apologies. you learn something new everyday I guess. seeya Brian ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Sat Mar 15 21:09:13 1997 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:09:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Terribly Ill 12" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Apparantly recorded when the band had all got the flu after a long > tour... > > The Wizard Blew His Nose > Saliva Machine > You'd Better Relieve It > Born To Go > Didn't they play the entire Xenon Kleenex at some of those shows? > > and then there was the time when the band were a little under-rehearsed > and had to play 3 or 4 "Ejection"s In The Course Of A Night > > > I'll just get my coat, then, shall I........? > > > -- > Jon Browne > From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Mar 15 22:29:28 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:29:28 -0600 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News In-Reply-To: <01BC317E.78D50D00@dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Hi, >One thing that I thought of doing (but haven't done yet, as the number of boots that I own can be counted on one hand, with a finger or two left over) was mailing five bucks or so to the band that I own the bootleg of. That's a very noble gesture but unnecessary. I was not implying that anyone should send money to Hawkwind for owning tapes of some shows. I myself maintain that owning a couple of tapes from some shows will not prevent someone going out and buying a live LP of that same show - the level of sound quality will be poorer for one thing and you won't get a decent sleeve. The bootlegs that do the most damage are the ones that are put out including tracks that either are or have been already put out by the band on an official lable. Some new fans may go into a shop, see this dodgy release and buy it not knowing that it contains material that could be of inferior quality (off the same tape) and does not support the band themselves. (My boots are of Camel and Tangerine Dream and if I was going to send money to one of the two, Mr. Latimers' band would get it before Herr Froese would...) I realize that this would require that the owners of the boots have sympathy for the band that they own a bootleg of and I think that the HW/BOC mailing list would tend to support the band this way other than, say, a mailing list for Pink Floyd, whose band members are multi-millionaires to begin with. >>One thing about the Pink Floyd thing, and this is a pretty valid point, is that they actually developed 'Dark Side Of The Moon' on stage as they went along well before the LP saw the light of day. The new material was performed, developed, re-arranged and matured in a live environment which could not be done today because of bootleggers. Maybe this is just my way of trying to salve a guilty conscience, but I think that the bands that we love and support should not be the losers in the bootleg game. I do support the bands by buying most all of the legitimate product I can (and in several cases, multiple copies in multiple formats. Exception, I will never buy another copy of "Bring Me The Head of Y.G." in any format; the crappy vinyl is enough... >>Totally agree, it's just defining what is harmful bootlegging and what is not. >Anyways, the only time that I have ever made copies of material that I own for distribution was to help spread the word about the band (i.e. Ozric Tentacles). No profit was made by me and a whole release was never copied. I like to think that I helped the band instead of hurting it. I'm sure you are like most fans that genuinely collect old live tapes out of pure interest, fanticism and devotion to the band. For some, it's the only way they can hear/could hear how the band sounded 15 or 20 years ago. Yours Star Rats From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Mar 16 02:17:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:17:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Terribly Ill 12" Message-ID: Jeremy R. Horne wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > > Apparantly recorded when the band had all got the flu after a long > > tour... > > > > The Wizard Blew His Nose > > Saliva Machine > > You'd Better Relieve It > > Born To Go > > > Didn't they play the entire Xenon Kleenex at some of those shows? > yeah,but i think Phlegmmy played bass on that one... rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 16 07:27:41 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:27:41 GMT Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > Maybe this is just my way of trying to salve a guilty conscience, but I > think that the bands that we love and support should not be the losers > in the bootleg game. I do support the bands by buying most all of the > legitimate product I can > Anyways, the only time that I have ever made copies of material that I > own for distribution was to help spread the word about the band (i.e. > Ozric Tentacles). No profit was made by me and a whole release was never > copied. I like to think that I helped the band instead of hurting it. > Whaddaya think? I have to agree. First, I think free live tape trading is a great boost to spreading the word about bands. Many US bands allow and encourage taping and trading of shows (the Grateful Dead were the best known example, but far from the only one) knowing that this would spread the word and in the end boost their regular album sales. The success of such strategies is born out by the recent success of bands like Phish who owe much of their popularity to this sort of thing. I have often made sampler tapes of studio material for people in order to introduce them to new music. Given the high cost of CDs--especially in the UK--people are unwilling to go out and buy things they've not already heard. Yes, I've made Hawkwind sampler tapes for people--and not a few (including perhaps person(s) on this list ;) have subsequentlly become hooked and gone out to buy their own Hawkwind CDs, thus generating revenue for the band that they other wise wouldn't have had. I often get or make taped copies of others peoples music to check it out. And when I like it, I try to purchase it legitimately on the more permanent and better-sounding CD medium :) Yeah, I own a few bought bootlegs. It's a difficult situation or a fan--I fully believe that the band should benefit from the fruits of their labor (obviously). I also hate to miss out on material I otherwise can't get. I haven't gotten any of the recent low-run CD-Rs, primarily since I can't be bothered to spend money (which is in short supply) on anything other than the legitimate releases! I suppose if I was infinitely wealthy, yeah, I'd buy it all :) and send a donation to the band. More importantly, I can always trade tapes with people and get more music for the price of a few cassettes. Maybe someday I'll be able to transfer my favorite tapes to CD-R for my own listening pleasure. Heck I wouldn't mind _trading_ CD-Rs, but I don't like the idea of *selling* bootlegs. The bought bootlegs I own I've gotten as a last resort (and at times when I was wealthier than now). There's an oily feeling of dishonesty, IMO, to selling bootlegs. (By bootlegs, I'm really meaning live etc. recordings, not illicit copies of legitimate releases). Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 16 07:36:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:36:46 GMT Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > > One thing about the Pink Floyd thing, and this is a pretty valid > > point, is that they actually developed 'Dark Side Of The Moon' on > > stage as they went along well before the LP saw the light of day. The > > new material was performed, developed, re-arranged and matured in a > > live environment which could not be done today because of bootleggers. I think this would depend on the nature of the bootlegging. For example, Phish (whom I used to follow quite closely as an undergrad in the States) often developed new material on stage before it went to album. They encouraged recording of their shows, and there was massive discussion among fans comparing live tapes as the tour would progress. Eventually, studio versions were released and as far as I can tell album sales have steadily increased for the band (even the live album sold like hotcakes, which is pretty good considering the endless numbers of cassette copies of the material already floating around--I guess people still wanted it on CD). One thing I don't understand is why bootleg CD manufacturers manage to sell high-priced bootleg CDs of live Phish material ... surely the tape-trade recordings are so easily available that no one would want to fork out the cash for these? It must be a tiny, tiny market ....? > I'm sure you are like most fans that genuinely collect old live tapes > out of pure interest, fanticism and devotion to the band. For some, it's > the only way they can hear/could hear how the band sounded 15 or 20 > years ago. Amen, says one of those who wasn't _alive_ when the band started!! For a person who only discovered the band in '92, I think I've got a lot of legit releases :) Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 16 08:45:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:45:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Terribly Ill 12" In-Reply-To: <332B9EA2.537B@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In message <332B9EA2.537B at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >> Didn't they play the entire Xenon Kleenex at some of those shows? >> > >yeah,but i think Phlegmmy played bass on that one... >rj You guys slay me!! -- Jon Browne From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 16 11:51:53 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:51:53 +1000 Subject: HW: Simon House Message-ID: `allo everyone... The primary (and, lets face it, only) purpose of this little message is to as if anyone has any interviews/info/etc with or about our favorite violin master - Simon House. After finally getting a hold of Yasasim a couple of weeks ago, I've finally completed my collection of all of his primary works - Spiral Realms, etc., (excluding some of his rarer solo outings), and am wishing to put together some kind of... er... pile of info with regard to his work. So, if anyone has anything concerning him, or can point me to some, I would be very grateful. Thanks, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sun Mar 16 12:37:46 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:37:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin rumor? Message-ID: no new news on Griffin - but I've had the same problem - when searching for Sonic Attack & Choose Your Masks I came up with Zero- doesn't look good for Griffin there was a time when some stores were flooded with new Griffin/HW CD's BL From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sun Mar 16 23:04:32 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:04:32 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Message-ID: Hello, folks: I don't know if any of you are familiar with The Artist Shop. We're an on-line cooperative store for independent and artist owned record labels. We work directly with our artist members and their labels to make their music available. And wouldn't you know, that description just happens to fit Albert Bouchard with The Brain Surgeons and Cellsum Records. And, in fact, The Brain Surgeons just happens to be The Artist Shop's newest member. I hope you'll stop by and visit their page and let me know what you think. You'll find cover graphics and soundbites there (and a secure page for purchasing). Actually, The Artist Shop is really set up to be a listening experience. Hope you like it. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 16 23:10:52 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:10:52 -0800 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: >Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:27:41 GMT >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Subject: Re: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> Anyways, the only time that I have ever made copies of material that I >> own for distribution was to help spread the word about the band. >> I like to think that I helped the band instead of hurting it. >> Whaddaya think? > I have to agree. > I have often made sampler tapes of studio material for people in order >to introduce them to new music. > Yes, I've made Hawkwind sampler tapes for people--and not a few >(including perhaps person(s) on this list ;) have subsequentlly become >hooked and gone out to buy their own Hawkwind CDs, thus generating revenue >for the band that they other wise wouldn't have had. I am new to this discussion but I have been a Hawkwind fan for the better part of 12 years now. I would NOT be listening to Hawkwind were it not for the sampler tapes made for my by a great guy named Jeff Swick in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. They really got me hooked, and the next 5 or 6 years I spent collecting Hawkwind CD's. I still have to get the Text of Festival, and Out and Intake, but other than that, I have replaced all the sampler he made for me with CD's. (And sometimes I have also bought cassettes and vinyl, too.) Anyways, that's my 2 cents worth, and my first posting to the group. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Mar 16 23:48:27 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:48:27 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Message-ID: Howdy all, I have used the Artist Shop in the past and recommend them without hesitation. (Hey, for you synth-freaks that want to get Synergy CD's, check these guys out!! Plus, alla you Porcupine Tree fans, they carry the Medium label, which the current keyboardist of PT, Richard Barbieri, is a part of.) Nice to see the Artist Shop taking care of Al and Deb's band; I think that they are in good company... objCDPlayer: Flash & The Pan / F&TP "...soon there'll be no place called, California." Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Gary Davis[SMTP:artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 1997 11:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Hello, folks: I don't know if any of you are familiar with The Artist Shop. We're an on-line cooperative store for independent and artist owned record labels. We work directly with our artist members and their labels to make their music available. And wouldn't you know, that description just happens to fit Albert Bouchard with The Brain Surgeons and Cellsum Records. And, in fact, The Brain Surgeons just happens to be The Artist Shop's newest member. I hope you'll stop by and visit their page and let me know what you think. You'll find cover graphics and soundbites there (and a secure page for purchasing). Actually, The Artist Shop is really set up to be a listening experience. Hope you like it. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Was it just the 4 or 5 dates in the tour and the Langtree Festival. I would hate (speaking purely as a UK resident) for them to slow down any more than this, it takes me back to one year where they only did 2 UK gigs (ISTR, Acid Daze 1 and 2). It is no wonder Alan left, he needs to gig more than this to make enough money to live on, he hasn't got all those royalties to live off. Mike w OBCD 50 Years of Sunshine, with Harvey's The voyage in the wake of passing clouds and HW's space dust (or should that be Lovely Space Dust?) From torgo at NORWICH.NET Mon Mar 17 07:53:53 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:53:53 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Message-ID: Gary Davis said...... >And wouldn't you know, that description just happens to fit Albert Bouchard >with The Brain Surgeons and Cellsum Records. And, in fact, The Brain >Surgeons just happens to be The Artist Shop's newest member. I hope you'll >stop by and visit their page and let me >know what you think. You'll find cover graphics and soundbites there (and a >secure page for purchasing). Actually, The Artist Shop is really set up to >be a listening experience. Hope you like it. Yes, a very nicely done page indeed! The prices are pretty damn good on them there Brain Surgeons CDs too. If anyone out there hasn't given them a try, this might be your chance to jump on this train. I like the way a quick snippet of "Donkey Show" hit me without warning (at 7:30 in the morning when I had just opened my eyes) when I called up the Brain Surgeons page. Nicely done. I particularly like the reviews of the Trepanation and Box Of Hammers albums on there. The gentleman who wrote them sounds like kind of a weird egg, but oh what a clever Bastid he is. :^D Be Seeing You. Torgo has left the Building........... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* "And I know that where the chains of doom are kept, I find my shoes..." ******************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 17 09:00:59 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:00:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tuesday's chat Message-ID: Well, actually, I believe someone else on AOL might start putting the chat logs at their site. Normally, I don't get the whole log myself, but there may be others on AOL who do. Joh n From RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Mon Mar 17 09:28:27 1997 From: RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Rob Boney) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:28:27 EST Subject: BOC 's Buck Dharma Solo Concert??? Message-ID: A friend of mine heard that Buck Dharma was doing a solo gig at Duluth Georgia. Any info would be appreciated. "...'In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the Police Patrol, snooping into people's windows.' George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four. Who can read this passage without a shudder, and without the instinctive reaction that it depicts life in some country other than ours?" Justice William Brennan From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 17 06:35:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:35:40 +0800 Subject: Griffin CD's Message-ID: Hi everyone With this talk of the Griffin CD's becoming scarce, a shop here in West Australia still has some of them on the shelf, such as the 25 Years On box set, Quark, Strangeness, & Charm (with book), and some others. The only one they don't have, as far as I remember, is Astounding Sounds, which I want (the Griffin version, that is). The shop is called 78 Records, and here is their e-mail and web addresses:- record78 at iinet.com.au http://www.westozweb.com.au/78records Good luck! William PS Anyone know where I can get Astounding Sounds? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 17 10:31:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:31:45 -0500 Subject: BOC 's Buck Dharma Solo Concert??? Message-ID: Yes, if you have a web browser, check out the following URL: http://j-and-a.com/boc.html There's info on this (most excellent, BTW) BOC page about this benefit. John From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Mar 17 11:55:16 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:55:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Text of Festival (was Re: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News) Message-ID: BLYoung writes: > I still have to get the Text of Festival, and Out and Intake, _Text of Festival_ is in my forsale list at http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html Also, for whoever it was who was looking for it, Farflung's _25000 Feet Per Second_ is there too. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Mar 17 12:10:58 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:10:58 -0700 Subject: Palace Springs '91 Message-ID: Hi all! Sorry 'bout this-will the guy in the US please e-mail me about this cd? I have managed to lose you e-mail. My own fault-I cleaned my desk!! I think your name is Keith C. sorry about the trouble! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi! Here I am again-with a real post! I am proud to brag that I now have All of the studio releases od Hawkwind. On tape, but thats o.k.:) I have determined that I'm completely and irretreviably hooked now. Thank you Scot!! The Weird tapes (lacking 7 & 8 ) are in the works now!! WHOOOOOEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LET'S ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace William Duffy writes: > Hi everyone > > With this talk of the Griffin CD's becoming scarce, a shop here in West I don't think there's a real need to panic - Griffin stuff has probably only been cleared from the shops for purposes of stocktaking and/or liquidating or whatever. It may take a while but I've no doubt that all will eventually return to distribution via other outlets like HawkDisc or Hawkwind Merchandising, C & D, or whatever new setup is arranged. At least I'd be very surprised if it didn't reappear again! 1p-worthly jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 17 12:55:59 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:55:59 GMT Subject: HW: touring! Message-ID: Yay! 17th October in Edinburgh - and a Friday too 8-))) and Glasgow the next night. Re bootleg CDs: there was a wierd article in the local rag "Evening News" the other week with dire warnings that Edinburgh was about to become the target of a massive influx of bootleg CDs from Europe. Apparently these are not just small-time makers of 25 copies or so but serious distribution centers producing 100s of copies with the apparently official-looking covers to the extent that they appear to be a genuine release. Hawkwind were NOT one of the bands mentioned in the article but some big-name bands like the Beatles and Pink Floyd were listed as likely targets and many shops have apparently been fooled into thinking that these are genuinely new issues. Goodness only knows, given the media predeliction towards hyperbole, how accurate this all is but if Griffin have already run into problems with this (an it sounds as if they might have) it seems like it's already BIG business on the European main continent. I wonder if there's any way of imprinting a special hologram or some other unique marking onto the outside of a CD issue to confirm its legitimate production by the appropriate approved company - bit like a banknote I guess! Just a thort jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 17 13:30:00 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 18:30:00 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: > Re bootleg CDs: there was a wierd article in the local rag "Evening > News" the other week with dire warnings that Edinburgh was about to > become the target of a massive influx of bootleg CDs from Europe. > Hawkwind were NOT one of the bands mentioned in the > article but some big-name bands like the Beatles and Pink Floyd were > listed as likely targets and many shops have apparently been fooled into > thinking that these are genuinely new issues. That's what the Beatles get for releasing archival material with _worse_ sound than it had already had on bootleg releases! ;) And for selling their blimmin' albums for outrageous prices ... > I wonder if there's any way of imprinting a special hologram or some > other unique marking onto the outside of a CD issue to confirm its > legitimate production by the appropriate approved company - bit like a > banknote I guess! Perhaps record companies could charge prices which were low enough that small time (in comparison to record companies) boot-makers couldn't compete? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Mon Mar 17 13:31:18 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:31:18 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Mar 1997 to 17 Mar 1997 Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 3/17/97 -0500, Craig wrote: >Howdy all, > >I have used the Artist Shop in the past and recommend them without hesitation. (Hey, for you synth-freaks that want to get Synergy CD's, check these guys out!! Plus, alla you Porcupine Tree fans, they carry the Medium label, which the current keyboardist of PT, Richard Barbieri, is a part of.) Nice to see the Artist Shop taking care of Al and Deb's band; I think that they are in good company... > Hi, Craig: Thanks loads for the recommendation! Although I thought it quite funny that in the digest your note showed up before mine. Some people might've wondered what you were talking about. Anyway, we're quite excited to have Al, Deb and The Brain Surgeons on board. I hope to be able to share some other news with you in the near future pertinent to this list. ;-) Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 17 15:18:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:18:18 -0500 Subject: The Artist Shop Message-ID: Gary sez.... Hi, Craig: Thanks loads for the recommendation! Although I thought it quite funny that in the digest your note showed up before mine. Some people might've wondered what you were talking about. Hi Gary, Most of the fine people on this list wonder what I'm talking about most of the time anyways! ;-) Anyway, we're quite excited to have Al, Deb and The Brain Surgeons on board. I hope to be able to share some other news with you in the near future pertinent to this list. ;-) Yes, I think that this will help a number of people that have had difficulty finding tBS. I know that I have never seen a copy down here in Hotlanta for sale (although I did see a bin card in Best Buy once...) Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1835 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Mar 17 15:29:24 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:29:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: Got the official word from Griffin. They filed chapter 11 bankruptcy on Jan 17th. They are hoping for "somebody interested in saving the catalogue". This is very sad news. From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Mar 17 15:47:41 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:47:41 E Subject: BOC March 27 Message-ID: Happy St. Patrick's Day all, I still have about 5 passes to the March 27th BOC show in Willkes Barre PA Doors open @ 8 pm 21 to enter w/ id. If anyone wants 'em just e-mail me and I'll mail 'em off to you with all speed. The show is @ the Woodlands Inn and Resort Rt. 315. Wilkes-Barre, PA. the show is $7 w/o the pass. I got 'em as a promo for my college radio station cheers bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 17 16:02:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:02:47 GMT Subject: The Artist Shop Message-ID: > Most of the fine people on this list wonder what I'm talking about most > of the time anyways! ;-) Craig, what are you talking about? :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 17 16:08:19 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:08:19 UT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: > Perhaps record companies could charge prices which were low enough >that small time (in comparison to record companies) boot-makers couldn't >compete? :) You mean the record companies shouldn't pay the artists, studios, etc, either, in an attempt to keep prices down? :) It's a quite common thing, though, for artists to release live albums specifically as "bootleg-killers" - one of the best known of these is Bowie's _David Live_, which was rush-released after the tour in question (Diamond Dogs, if memory serves) was extensively bootlegged. Nearer to home, I wonder if that was part of the motivation behind both _Cult Classic_ and _Love in Space_? - Andy ObComet: You get a really good view of Hale-Bopp from the cockpit of a 737 at 35,000 feet :) Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Mar 17 12:23:43 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:23:43 -0000 Subject: boots! Message-ID: > > Perhaps record companies could charge prices which were low enough > that small time (in comparison to record companies) boot-makers couldn't > compete? :) > yeah, and they could also release more material. soak up the fans money,and leave nothing for the booters. when fans buy boots, i think most of them do it because they are hungry. remove the demand. pump out limited releases, frequently, and only charge a little more than ya have to... i mean, i know there are wholes in this idea, but with some thought, it could work. rj From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Mon Mar 17 17:42:55 1997 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:42:55 -0700 Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Message-ID: So... Do you sell their new album as well as make their music available as a listening experience? Tom >Hello, folks: > >I don't know if any of you are familiar with The Artist Shop. We're an >on-line cooperative store for independent and artist owned record labels. >We work directly with our artist members and their labels to make their >music available. > >And wouldn't you know, that description just happens to fit Albert Bouchard >with The Brain Surgeons and Cellsum Records. And, in fact, The Brain >Surgeons just happens to be The Artist Shop's newest member. I hope you'll >stop by and visit their page and let me >know what you think. You'll find cover graphics and soundbites there (and a >secure page for purchasing). Actually, The Artist Shop is really set up to >be a listening experience. Hope you like it. > >Gary > >************************************************************** > Gary Davis >The Artist Shop The Other Road >http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com > SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! >************************************************************** > > From tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM Mon Mar 17 18:10:34 1997 From: tom at ABACUS-DIRECT.COM (Tom Minsel) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:10:34 -0700 Subject: Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop Message-ID: Oops! My message was meant to go to Gary Davis, not the whole list - sorry! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 17 19:15:06 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:15:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: PT at Glastonbury Message-ID: Dear All, after Jill posted about the possibility of this happening, I have this from Delerium: On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Ivor Trueman wrote: > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 18:08:52 GMT > From: Ivor Trueman > To: Jon Jarrett > Subject: Re: Porcupine Tree order > > (4) Likewise what news on touring? Someone's told me PT are > >playing at Glastonbury, but confirmation had they not. > > Yes, right again, Porcupine Tree are headlining on the Avalon stage on the > Saturday. They are also playing at the Strawberry Fayre on the 7th of June. Thought I should let people know.. Yours, Jon ObCD: Brain Surgeons, `Eponymous' - yes, Carl, you can have it back _soon_... /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "With Capitalism, man exploits man. With Socialism, it is | | exactly opposite" -Robert Anton Wilson | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Mon Mar 17 22:31:45 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:31:45 -0500 Subject: OT:unsubbing In-Reply-To: <1334.5071T24T1991@vossnet.co.uk> from "simon" at Nov 20, 96 02:41:26 pm Message-ID: very sorry to post this to the list i need the info on how to unsub (couldn't locate anything for boc-l in my 'unsub' folder) sorry! and thanks! --dave From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 17 22:57:56 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:57:56 -0800 Subject: HW: Queens of Deliria Message-ID: I am sorry to hear about Griffin's troubles. I was very pleased with the orders I made with them and the variety of titles they were offering. One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. Anybody have a copy they would consider selling? I wish now that I had ordered it from Griffin and paid the high price they wanted. Thanks. Bryan --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Mar 18 02:46:51 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:46:51 -0800 Subject: HW: Cleopatra T-shirt? Message-ID: Been looking for a Hawktee (almost any will do). Cleo lists one in their catalogue in a '96 release, no details, just that it's a HW t-shirt (and there's a long-sleeve). Anyone have any idea what it's like? Chuck From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Tue Mar 18 02:52:16 1997 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Riordan) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:52:16 -0600 Subject: BOC: BOXED SET Message-ID: >Does the boxed set have a "new" catalog #? If so, could you please give me >that #? I'll >try and order it here instead of having it sent to me - postage would >increase the price >to more than three separate discs for me... Sure does: C3K 64806 From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Tue Mar 18 02:59:10 1997 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Riordan) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:59:10 -0600 Subject: BOC - We are BLOTTO (or at least workin' on it...) In-Reply-To: <01BC3175.A945F480@dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: >(Smacking my forehead and uttering a Homer Simson-esque "D'Oh!!) > >Why couldn't I remember "Metalhead"?!? There are times when I go around >singing to myself "Metalhead, I'm a metalhead". I think it is all of these >Abita Turbo Dogs....(a great micro-brew from N'Awlins). > >Firmly behind the keyboard and NOT behind the wheel... > At the risk of being to strange ;-) Blotto also did: I want to be a Lifeguard. I want to guard your life. Anyway, last week I saw a compilation CD from Blotto; so, they had at least two albums and some of it made it to CD From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 18 04:19:04 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:19:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Carl Edlund Anderson writes > That's what the Beatles get for releasing archival material with >_worse_ sound than it had already had on bootleg releases! ;) And for >selling their blimmin' albums for outrageous prices ... Well quite. I, like the rest of us, have a voracious appetite for CD's and buy around 30 a month. Coincidentally enough, among the ones I want but won't pay *that* for them are The Beatles White Album at 32UKP, Piper at The Gates Of Dawn at 17UKP and Kraftwerk's Autobahn at 16.99UKP.- Breadheads! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:11:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:11:45 GMT Subject: OFF: PT at Glastonbury Message-ID: On tis 18 mar 1997 00.15 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > ObCD: Brain Surgeons, `Eponymous' - yes, Carl, you can have it back > _soon_... That's all right ;) a the moment I'm preparing for the Ozrics in Cambridge :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Ozrics, _Arborescence_ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:08:20 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:08:20 GMT Subject: Attn Rudy Message-ID: Could you get in touch with me please? Cheers Mike From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:25:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:25:45 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: On m?n 17 mar 1997 21.08 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > Perhaps record companies could charge prices which were low enough > > that small time (in comparison to record companies) boot-makers > > couldn't compete? :) > > You mean the record companies shouldn't pay the artists, studios, etc, > either, in an attempt to keep prices down? :) I thought here on boc-l we already knew they didn't do that anyway ;) No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible to mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK shop! (Which it not infrequently is ....) > It's a quite common thing, though, for artists to release live albums > specifically as "bootleg-killers" - one of the best known of these is > Bowie's _David Live_, which was rush-released after the tour in question > (Diamond Dogs, if memory serves) was extensively bootlegged. Zappa, of course :) > Nearer to home, I wonder if that was part of the motivation behind both > _Cult Classic_ and _Love in Space_? Can there possibly have been that much BOC booting going on? I though Cult Classic was primarily a move for the band to get versions of the songs that they retained the rights too. Now, _LiS_, quite possibly. But on the other hand, I think HW have more to worry about in the question of the zillion+oneth release of old dodgy recordings as yet another _Master of the Universe_ compilation. This slew of CD-R boots in the last year or so I think has been sold to a fairly limited audience of people who had already bought most everything else :) Also, there's so much good stuff that HW _could_ release to forestall booting. I think they should embark on a scheme like the Dead did, of a series of old concert recordings that have been cleaned up. Like _Live 74_ and the _Astounding Live_ recordings except with a somewhat stricter release schedule :) Weren't the Allman Bros. considering doing this as well (especially as they seem to have gone back to treading water)? Where's a legit release of the material on the Secret Teepee boot? I'd sell a few internal organs off for that :) And where oh where are the CD releases of the Weird Tapes? And while we're at it, why not some good quality releases of compilations of some of the more obscure material from random lost singles and things? Not that I can afford all this :) but I hope to :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* > - Andy > > ObComet: You get a really good view of Hale-Bopp from the cockpit of a 737 at > 35,000 feet :) > > Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 18 05:19:23 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:19:23 UT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: >Well quite. I, like the rest of us, have a voracious appetite for CD's >and buy around 30 a month. There's obviously more money in this comics lark than I thought! :) >Coincidentally enough, among the ones I want >but won't pay *that* for them are [...] Kraftwerk's Autobahn at >16.99UKP.- Breadheads! Which I think was the first LP I ever bought! Credible or what? :) (Well actually, my memory is just the tiniest bit vague, and I've this horrible feeling it just might have been _Tubular Bells_. Oh well!) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:28:25 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:28:25 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: On m?n 17 mar 1997 15.29 "Ken Alexander" wrote: > Got the official word from Griffin. They filed chapter 11 bankruptcy on > Jan 17th. They are hoping for "somebody interested in saving the > catalogue". > > This is very sad news. That it is. May Griffin long be remembered! They did a fabulous service for US Hawkfans. Completely turned the scene around. Whatever else, Godwin deserves a sainthood for that. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:34:00 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:34:00 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: On tis 18 mar 1997 09.19 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In message , Carl Edlund Anderson > writes > > That's what the Beatles get for releasing archival material with > >_worse_ sound than it had already had on bootleg releases! ;) And for > >selling their blimmin' albums for outrageous prices ... > > Well quite. I, like the rest of us, have a voracious appetite for CD's > and buy around 30 a month. Coincidentally enough, among the ones I want > but won't pay *that* for them are The Beatles White Album at 32UKP, > Piper at The Gates Of Dawn at 17UKP and Kraftwerk's Autobahn at > 16.99UKP.- Breadheads! Fancy that. I did just recently get the _Piper_ remaster from a market stall about 10 quid. :) And strangely enough, it was because they guys in the stall had gone and got a massive load of them in the US and brought them back to England to sell (probably dodging loads of customs duty, but what the hell ;) They had a lot of them, and so knocked a quid off the price for me (probably, as Jazza remarked at the time, because I was scaring away other customers by lurking in front of their stall. 32 quid for the white album is obscene. Beatles aren't el cheapo in the States (though you can often find them used) but they're not *that* expensive. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:51:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:51:38 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: > >Coincidentally enough, among the ones I want > >but won't pay *that* for them are [...] Kraftwerk's Autobahn at > >16.99UKP.- Breadheads! > > Which I think was the first LP I ever bought! Credible or what? :) > (Well actually, my memory is just the tiniest bit vague, and I've this > horrible feeling it just might have been _Tubular Bells_. Oh well!) Well, the first record I bought was the Monkees _Headquarters_, which IMO is still pretty cool :) Although in my knee-high years :) I was a great devotee of my parents' _Fiddler on the Roof_ movie soundtrack LPs. Also my mom's Judy Collins LP with all the whale songs on it. Those were cool noises. Presumably, liking Hawkwind is but a further development of this tendancy :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 05:48:41 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:48:41 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On m?n 17 mar 1997 21.08 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > > It's a quite common thing, though, for artists to release live albums > > specifically as "bootleg-killers" - one of the best known of these is > > Bowie's _David Live_, which was rush-released after the tour in question > > (Diamond Dogs, if memory serves) was extensively bootlegged. And (in a flagrant attempt to turn the topic of conversation to something useful to me) HLL's Outside the Law. Huw was asked if someone who had recorded the gig could release it, he said no and rushed into releasing OtL, which I think has poor quality everything. But while we are on the subject of Huwie does anyone know his touring schedule? Mike w P.S. Does anyone know what Smart Pils recordings Richard is on, as the line up on the album I've got is a bit enigmatic? From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 18 06:02:40 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:02:40 UT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: > No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially >outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible to >mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK shop! >(Which it not infrequently is ....) If you think prices are bad here, go to France - I'm sure I would have indulged my weakness for French chick singers a lot more if their CD's weren't 22 quid a pop :( >And where oh where are the CD releases of the Weird Tapes? Well, I'm hoping that _Astounding Live_ might have some of the Weird 105 tracks? (Brainstorm! Yeah!) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 06:29:50 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:29:50 GMT Subject: OFF: PT at Glastonbury Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > (4) Likewise what news on touring? Someone's told me PT are > >playing at Glastonbury, but confirmation had they not. > > Yes, right again, Porcupine Tree are headlining on the Avalon stage on the > Saturday. They are also playing at the Strawberry Fayre on the 7th of June. ----- End Included Message ----- Artists so far confirmed include Neil Young, The Prodigy, Kula Shaker, Supergrass, Manic Street Preachers, Shed 7, with a rumour (sic) of Fleetwood Mac appearing on Sunday. Keith From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 08:26:47 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:26:47 GMT Subject: OT:unsubbing In-Reply-To: dave cohen's message of Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:31:45 -0500 Message-ID: dave cohen writes: > very sorry to post this to the list > > i need the info on how to unsub > (couldn't locate anything for boc-l in my 'unsub' folder) here's a message from way back when... =================================================== From: Ben Cohen Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE help To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >"UNSUBSCRIBE" help You have two options here. 1) Unsubscribe now and re-subscribe later. This involves sending mail to with a message text of "unsub boc-l" and a later resubscribe "sub boc-l " 2) Disable mail now and re-enable it later. Same sort of process, but with different messages. These would be "set boc-l nomail" and "set boc-l mail" afterwards. You're technically still subscribed in the meanwhile. YnSSHM, Ben ===================================================== have fun jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Mar 18 09:11:41 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:11:41 +1000 Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: While we're on the topic of boots/copying, etc., I thought I'd put my 1 kopeck's worth in... Boots. Well, aside from the dodgy Hawk releases (such as "Live and Rare"), I've never even SEEN a HW Boot in Brisbane. But I've seen and got many Floyd ones in my time. Most of them are crap, as they sound exactly the same as every other concert (at least from Momentary Lapse onwards...), but there are a few notable exceptions: such as before they released Animals, they had extremely different versions of the album versions, and thus, make a boot purchase worthwhile. An even better example of this is the Syd Barrett "Magnesium Proverbs" boot, that has much of the unreleased stuff that he did solo and with Floyd (such as Floyd's early singles). The only way to obtain the material on that album, without buying a bootleg, was to but a several hundred $ boxed set that contained a CD of all of the singles. In a case such as this, I was glad to buy as many Boots of the early stuff as I could, as EMI was using very dirty marketing methods there. Happily, I haven't detected any similar techniques used by the Hawks (or at least, "official" Hawk releases...), so that's OK... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Mar 18 09:05:32 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:05:32 -0500 Subject: BOC - We are BLOTTO (or at least working' on it...) Message-ID: At the risk of being to strange ;-) Blotto also did: I want to be a Lifeguard. I want to guard your life. Anyway, last week I saw a compilation CD from Blotto; so, they had at least two albums and some of it made it to CD Since you mentioned this, I just HAD to check out CDNow (www.cdnow.com) and guess what? They have this li'l jewel (???) and a rather nice info page on the band. On the page are the band members (Chevrolet Blotto, Cheese Blotto...hmmm, wonder if this could be one of them "Traveling Wilbury's"-type bands, but more incognito???) and listed down there is one Donald Roeser on guitar. Why is that name familiar to me??? :-) Should I order this thing? It is only eleven bucks and is on One-Way (are they endangered by the demise of Griffin Records?). objCDPlayer: Flash & The Pan / Lights In The Night Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1907 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Mar 18 09:31:46 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:31:46 -0500 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: >From: Star Rats >One thing about the Pink Floyd thing, and this is a pretty valid point, >is that they actually developed 'Dark Side Of The Moon' on stage as they >went along well before the LP saw the light of day. The new material was >performed, developed, re-arranged and matured in a live environment which >could not be done today because of bootleggers. Sorry, Star Rats, but that does not make sense. While it is true that nowadays just about every band can expect to have every show bootlegged, that does not prevent them from varying their material during the course of a tour. Besides there are lots of bootlegs of early versions of _Dark Side Of The Moon_; that's how we know how much it changed before it was recorded. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 10:05:35 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:05:35 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: > --On tis 18 mar 1997 11.02 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially > >outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible > >to mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK > >shop! (Which it not infrequently is ....) > > If you think prices are bad here, go to France Or Australia, eh Sonique? Cheers, Carl From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Mar 18 10:42:15 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:42:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:29:24 -0500, Ken said: > >Got the official word from Griffin. They filed chapter 11 bankruptcy on >Jan 17th. They are hoping for "somebody interested in saving the catalogue". > >This is very sad news. Ken: I may have some contacts who would be very interested in "saving the catalog." If they do show interest, how would they contact Griffin? Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Mar 18 11:14:48 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:14:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: >>Got the official word from Griffin. They filed chapter 11 bankruptcy on >>Jan 17th. They are hoping for "somebody interested in saving the catalogue". >> >>This is very sad news. > >Ken: > >I may have some contacts who would be very interested in "saving the >catalog." If they do show interest, how would they contact Griffin? > >Gary try Rob Godwin himself - last time I saw him he was at cgp at icom.ca \\joe From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 18 11:27:20 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:27:20 -0600 Subject: You Could Help BOC Too. Message-ID: Torgo said>"Yes, a very nicely done page indeed! The prices are pretty damn good on them there Brain Surgeons CDs too. If anyone out there hasn't given them a try, this might be your chance to jump on this train. I like the way a quick snippet of "Donkey Show" hit me without warning (at 7:30 in the morning when I had just opened my eyes) when I called up the Brain Surgeons page. Nicely done." Pretty impressive page. Hope he gets lots of hits on it. Torgo>"I particularly like the reviews of the Trepanation and Box Of Hammers albums on there. The gentleman who wrote them sounds like kind of a weird egg, but oh what a clever Bastid he is. :^D" I thought they were kinda fanboyish myself. 8>() Kidding, just kidding. Actually quite good and well written; fun reveiws for fun music. Perhaps you can be so kind to help out the Oysterboys on the day EW arrives. lil ab obcd - Heavy Bones - Heavy Bones "Like pieces of myself cut off in desparation as offerings to thee. I keep them on a shelf, there good for conversation, over a cup of tea." From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 18 06:36:52 1997 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:36:52 +0000 Subject: BOC March 27 Message-ID: Brian, I might be interested in two or three of those Wilkes-Barre tickets. I live in State College, PA, but I'm originally from Endicott, New York, and may be making the trip to see the show. If not, I have friends who'd definitely be interested in going. Please e-mail me as soon as possible, or call me at 814-867-8813 (not after 7 p.m., please). Thanks. --Nick English From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 18 06:49:56 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:49:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>Well quite. I, like the rest of us, have a voracious appetite for CD's >>and buy around 30 a month. > >There's obviously more money in this comics lark than I thought! :) I do a fair bit of trading back issues (i.e. dead stock) for unwanted CD's. Plus since the kids were born I hardly ever go out, which saves a fortune especially at today's prices. i.e. 2 pints of beer = 1 CD CD's are pretty much the main event for me these days. At the same time, we not doing too bad at the moment, mainly because we're picking up customers from other shops as they fall by the wayside. Times are tough in the industry generally, but you'll do OK *if* you're committed whether the money's in or not. > >>Coincidentally enough, among the ones I want >>but won't pay *that* for them are [...] Kraftwerk's Autobahn at >>16.99UKP.- Breadheads! > >Which I think was the first LP I ever bought! Credible or what? :) Mine was Lou Reed's Transformer, which I thought at around 8 or 9 was just great, didn't make a lot of sense to me, but sounded good, in that nursery rhyme way that Sgt. Pepper works for kid's ears. > >(Well actually, my memory is just the tiniest bit vague, and I've this >horrible feeling it just might have been _Tubular Bells_. Oh well!) > I was also quite up for early Bee Gees at this point in my development. Didn't last long, Beach Boys displaced them pretty quickly. I was 9, it was '74. Hawkwind were still four years away. My five year old son is mainly into Madness, Specials and Ska in general BTW. He does *not* like HW :(((( -- Jon Browne obCD -HW Alien 4 - which is sounding better every listen! From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Mar 18 12:49:34 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:49:34 -0600 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News In-Reply-To: <970318093146.20222c3c@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: At 09:31 18/03/97 -0500, you wrote: >>From: Star Rats > >>One thing about the Pink Floyd thing, and this is a pretty valid point, >>is that they actually developed 'Dark Side Of The Moon' on stage as they >>went along well before the LP saw the light of day. The new material was >>performed, developed, re-arranged and matured in a live environment which >>could not be done today because of bootleggers. > >Sorry, Star Rats, but that does not make sense. While it is true that >nowadays just about every band can expect to have every show bootlegged, >that does not prevent them from varying their material during the course >of a tour. > >Besides there are lots of bootlegs of early versions of _Dark Side Of The >Moon_; that's how we know how much it changed before it was recorded. John, You're missing the point here a little. If a band wants to develop new material on stage and release it as new material they can't because of bootlegging. I'm not talking about varying the material a band can play on tour, I'm specifically referring to the development of new material for commerical release, many bands of which prefer to do live rather than in the studio. I also realise there are boots of the 'Eclipse' Rainbow shows and PF learnt by that, if you read any interviews with the band. The majority of their studio albums haven't been performed on stage prior to release on the same level as DSofM. Yours, Star Rats From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 18 13:22:22 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:22:22 EDT Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > From: Star Rats > You're missing the point here a little. If a band wants to develop new > material on stage and release it as new material they can't because of > bootlegging. I'm not talking about varying the material a band can play on > tour, I'm specifically referring to the development of new material for > commerical release, many bands of which prefer to do live rather than in > the studio. > > Yours, > Star Rats It's strange that the Allmans, a band which encourages taping, developed many songs which eventually appeared on 'Where it all Begins' on stage before the album was even recorded. Yet they then release that album, and I believe it sold pretty well. What's my point? I'm not sure, other than that bootlegging probably didn't hurt that album's success. I guess this argues for the case that boots are mainly bought by rabid fans who have to have everything they can get their mitts on. But I would disagree with you that a lot of bands try out new stuff in concert before putting out an album. I just can't think of too many bands that have enough confidence in their fans to try a stunt like this. Most bands want to play stuff the fans aleady know and are comfortable with: 3OC syndrome? theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 18 14:50:11 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:50:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Cleopatra T-shirt? Message-ID: Chuck wonders... >Been looking for a Hawktee (almost any will do). Cleo lists one in their >catalogue in a '96 release, no details, just that it's a HW t-shirt (and >there's a long-sleeve). Anyone have any idea what it's like? Yeah...I saw the same thing the other day when I was looking at the insert to the new Spiral Realms live disc. I was thinking about ordering one, but I fear that I might actually already have one. That's because before Cleopatra/Hypnotic was formed, Brian Pererra ran a mail-order business featuring various HW discs and other cool things, as well as some nice HW t-shirts (bootlegged I'm sure :( although I didn't know at the time). I have two or three of these, one of which was a Space Ritual tie-dye, and the other is the Doremi shield with six photos on the back...Brock, Nik, Lemmey (sic), DikMik, Simon King, and Del, if my memory serves me correctly. My guess is that this might be the one...perhaps not. If it is, it's likely that it's unlicenc(s)ed, and another example of Cleopatra's resistance to paying royalties. If it *is* licenc(s)ed, then I apologis(z)e for insinuating their unfair business practices. Perhaps they've changed the photos to just Nik, Del, Simon House, Alan Powell, and Mike Moorcock....that'd be apropos, given their 'revisionist' Hawkwind history. :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I'll be gone for the next week, so if you think I'm slagging Cleopatra too hard (now that they're the only space rock-oriented label left in NA apparently), I won't hear your outcries of 'slanderer'! :) P.P.S. On the subject of cool NA labels that might consider HW, what about C&S records, that currently releases US PTree stuff?? I know I've seen one or two other things on their label, and I think they were electronic/techno-oriented stuff? Would they be interested, d'ya think? P.P.P.S. Anybody hear the new Sky Cries Mary (Moonbathing...) yet?? From travsboc at CRL.COM Tue Mar 18 14:43:05 1997 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:43:05 -0800 Subject: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! Message-ID: Does anyone else here subscribe to The Tubular 1's MORNING FINAL as well? As usual a great issue and according to Bolle, the Final one. Regarding Rob's request for more Buck solo benefit concert info: "Buck Dharma will be doing a concert in Atlanta, GA to benefit a very special Godzilla fan who has been fighting a battle with brain cancer. "The concert will be held at the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center in Duluth, GA on Friday, 4/11. A 2nd show will be added as the 1st one sells out, on Saturday, 4/12. "Profits will benefit the Ricky Browning Fund and the Children's Hospice Division of Hospice Atlanta." The story goes on to say that the 10-yr-old Ricky believes Godzilla is fighting his brain tumor, which is in remission, and that after listening to "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" he is no longer afraid of dying. Tickets range from $25 to $500 ("Platinum Level" where you can "meet Buck Dharma" at a fund raising dinner before the shows. Call 1-800-211-1720 for more info. No mention of what Buck plans to play and in what format (presumebly "Unplugged"?). In other news, BOC plan to play in Birch Hill NJ, Hersey PA & Wilkes-Barre PA on 3/21,22,27 respectively. They plan to tour with Pat Travers, Foghat & Steppenwolf (hmmmmm...) in something called the "Summer Daze Tour" during the last days of May: 5/29-Portland OR; 5/30-SF (that's me); 5/31-Reno NV as well as a whole bunch of dates throughout the rest of the country in June. Anybody know about this? Is Old Milwaukee or Pabst sponsoring? Lollapalooza watch out :-) SF the 8th screaming diz-buster From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 18 06:57:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:57:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Carl Edlund Anderson writes > Well, the first record I bought was the Monkees _Headquarters_, which >IMO is still pretty cool :) > The Monkees *are* cool. NO Smiley! Headquarters is the best album, with the (remastered with extra tracks) Head Soundtrack - compiled and arranged by Jack Nicholson) running a close second. I couldn't give a stuff if they were manufactured or corporate or anything else. It was 30 years ago, the music's good by any yardstick. The show's are still watchable occasionally too! -- Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 18 10:32:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:32:15 -0000 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > John, > You're missing the point here a little. If a band wants to develop new > material on stage and release it as new material they can't because of > bootlegging. I'm not talking about varying the material a band can play on > tour, I'm specifically referring to the development of new material for > commerical release, many bands of which prefer to do live rather than in > the studio. > > I also realise there are boots of the 'Eclipse' Rainbow shows and PF learnt > by that, if you read any interviews with the band. The majority of their > studio albums haven't been performed on stage prior to release on the same > level as DSofM. > > Yours, > Star Rats and then theres the grateful dead who almost Never released material until they had been playing it for a year or so,while allowing all and sundry to record it. and we all know they never sold many albums... ;P rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 18 16:20:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:20:17 GMT Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > > You're missing the point here a little. If a band wants to develop new > > material on stage and release it as new material they can't because of > > bootlegging. I'm not talking about varying the material a band can > > play on tour, I'm specifically referring to the development of new > > material for commerical release, many bands of which prefer to do live > > rather than in the studio. > > It's strange that the Allmans, a band which encourages taping, > developed many songs which eventually appeared on 'Where it all > Begins' on stage before the album was even recorded. Yet they then > release that album, and I believe it sold pretty well. What's my > point? I'm not sure, other than that bootlegging probably didn't > hurt that album's success. I guess this argues for the case that > boots are mainly bought by rabid fans who have to have everything > they can get their mitts on. The same could be said for Gov't Mule, Phish, and a host of other bands. I think the recent live Mule album was drawn in part from a fan taper's recordings ... not sure about that. And didn't the Dead play "Touch of Grey" for a number of years before it made it to record--and proceeded to sell _vastly_? Yeah, I think the bootlegging situation is more complex. Clearly it is _possible_ to develop material on-stage, allow it to be taped, and still sell perfectly respectable numbers of albums. Presumably the dynamic depends on the nature of the band, the fans, and the record companies ... > But I would disagree with you that a lot of bands try out new stuff > in concert before putting out an album. I just can't think of too > many bands that have enough confidence in their fans to try a stunt > like this. Most bands want to play stuff the fans aleady know and > are comfortable with: 3OC syndrome? Grin. Which is why it's much more fun to see bands that are screwing around with weird stuff in concert. Much more fun if you don't know what's going to happen on stage :) Didn't HW play "Sputnik Stan" for a good while before it came out on _Alien 4_? It must have been taped, probably even appeared on "commercial" bootleg CDs. I'd be surprised if those things did much damage to the sales of _Alien 4_ ... I don't approve of "commercial" bootlegging, of course, but it seems to me that the evidence suggests that overall fan tape-trading is beneficial to bands. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Mar 18 16:25:04 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:25:04 -0600 Subject: Golden Void www pages updates Message-ID: I have updated the Golden Void pages. Thanks to the efforts of Andy Gilham, I corrected some of the information in the "previous bands" pages and added a completely new page of the bands that members were in after Hawkwind. (Both of these are under the history section: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/history/ if you want to go there directly.) As I am sure that the information about the previous and later bands is incomlpete, please let me know if you have any additions or corrections. On the albums pages: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/albums/ I have added a list of the dates and places where live tracks on albums where recorded, and whether the album is legitimate or a bootleg, the track listing from the A Files bootleg CD-R, the track listing from the Time of the Hawklords bootleg CD-R, and a listing of the cassettes that Hawkwind has released. On the Friends & Relations pages: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/friends/ I have added my review of the Anubian Lights album and a listing of the contents of the various Friends & Relations albums. On the miscellaneous pages: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/misc/ I have added the information on a couple of Robert Calvert books. As always, additions and corrections are welcome. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I think there should be something in science called the "reindeer effect." I don't know what it would be, but I think it'd be good to hear someone say, "Gentlemen, what we have here is a terrifying example of the reindeer effect." -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Mar 18 16:43:11 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:43:11 -0600 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal Message-ID: For all the people out there in boc-l land who have Hawkwind related web pages, I have a proposal. I have seen "rings" created for topics, where each main page links to the site "before" it and "after" it in the ring. This way, if someone wants to browse everything about a topic, they can circle around the ring without having to deal with arbitrary links on people's pages. For the Hawkwind pages, for example, if the ring is (official page) <-> (Sonique's page) <-> (Golden Void page) <-> (Calvert page) <-> [wrap back to official page] then the official page would point forward to Sonique's page and backwards to the Calvert page, Sonique's page would point forward to the Golden Void page and backwards to the official page, etc. (Don't read anything into who I used in the example above, I just chose the first few that came to mind.) This would require: (1) Volunteers to be in the ring. Please let me know if you want to be part of this. (2) An agreed-to initial ring order (which doesn't really matter that much since the ring has no start). I'm open to suggestions here. (3) Some sort of format for the links. I can take a stab at this if there is interest. (4) An agreement that each site in the ring occasionally check to make sure that its two links are still functioning so that the ring isn't broken. (5) Some idea of where we add new ring entries. I am open to suggestions here, too. Comments? Suggestions? Large quantities of unmarked bills? Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 DCLXVI - Roman Numeral of the Beast From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 18 16:43:17 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:43:17 -0800 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: Firstly, Bryan wrote: >One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue >the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've >got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not >that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. I have just about every book he's written, & the two "Hawklords" books make Club Ninja seem like Secret treaties (to micx metaphors & list sections) - Bryan: if you are really desperate & in the UK, I'll mail you mine (if I can find it - I move dhouse last summer) contact me off-list. Secondly, the bootleg thing: There's a very cautionary tale in the notes to King Crimson's "B'Boom" about the way that the professional bootleggers over in Italy sent a team over to Argentina specifically to bootleg Crimso & someone else. I lived in Belgium for two years, & even in big chain record/cd stores you see these semi-legitimate Italian live albums (very dodgy copyright laws in Italy, & sod-all enforcement in Belgium). After the Nirvana European tour, I must have seen 50 different bootlegs - I reckon every date on the tour was done by somebody - this is really big business now. You can easily buy a lot of famous old boots of varying quality that have now been transferred to CD. I 'fess up to having bought two Zeppelin ones "Blueberry Hill" (prezzy for a friend) - which falls into the caregory of history - they really should have released an official live album from the period; and "Ballroom Blitz" which I reckon is the old "Live At The Lyceum" and a major argument against bootlegs - the sound is worse than crap... Someone also talked about putting out cheapo live albums to suppress the demand - this sort of thing used to happen years ago e.g. KC's "Earthbound", Man's "Live At The Padget Rooms" & "Christmas At The Patti", ELP's "Pictures At An Exhibition", and a lot of other stuff like "The Faust Tapes" (50p at the time, but the re-release on CD is full-price!!). But I think the record companies are more worried about recovering the costs of the ludicrous advances they make to sign megastars & the costs of all the stupid wanky "epic" videos that are more expensive to make than the product they are promoting (just imagine if VW spent more on a TV advert for the Golf than they did on designing & manufacturing the car in the first place).. I reckon that's more than 2p worth, let's call it a quid & be done with it. ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 18 16:48:25 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:48:25 -0800 Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: Jon wrote: >but won't pay *that* for them are The Beatles White Album at 32UKP, >Piper at The Gates Of Dawn at 17UKP and Kraftwerk's Autobahn at >16.99UKP.- Breadheads! Thirty two quid!!!! And I remember when you could get Piper WITH Saucerful as "A Nice Pair" for the price of asingle album ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 18 17:22:10 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:22:10 -0800 Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: Jon & Andy write: >>Which I think was the first LP I ever bought! Credible or what? :) >Mine was Lou Reed's Transformer, which I thought at around 8 or 9 was >just great, didn't make a lot of sense to me, but sounded good, in that >nursery rhyme way that Sgt. Pepper works for kid's ears. >> >>(Well actually, my memory is just the tiniest bit vague, and I've this >>horrible feeling it just might have been _Tubular Bells_. Oh well!) >> >I was also quite up for early Bee Gees at this point in my development. >Didn't last long, Beach Boys displaced them pretty quickly. >I was 9, it was '74. Hawkwind were still four years away. For me it was "Court Of The Crimson King" (couldn't you guess from my posts *g*) P.S. Jon where & how do you do your comics biz - I'd rather my hard earned wonga went to an independent than Forbiddem Planet here in Croydon. I don't spend much on comics these days, but.... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Never kept a dollar past sunset, always burned a hole in my pants" - I shouldn't need to tell you who ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 18 18:21:34 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:21:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Does anyone else here subscribe to The Tubular 1's MORNING FINAL as >well? As usual a great issue and according to Bolle, the Final one. > >Regarding Rob's request for more Buck solo benefit concert info: > > >No mention of what Buck plans to play and in what format (presumebly >"Unplugged"?). > Buck announced last week that Jon Miceli and Danny Miranda would be performing with him, and he also stated that "Gamera Is Missing" was a real possiblity , so I doubt it will be entirely "unplugged" Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... - Queensryche ----------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 18 14:31:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:31:54 -0000 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: > Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does > anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. I have just about > every book he's written, & the two "Hawklords" books make Club Ninja seem like > Secret treaties (to micx metaphors & list sections) - Bryan: if you are really > desperate & in the UK, I'll mail you mine (if I can find it - I move dhouse > last summer) contact me off-list. nope mike only suggested that butterworth write it. i read in one of mm interviews, he was fairly pissed about it. rj From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Mar 18 18:36:00 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:36:00 -0600 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News In-Reply-To: <19970318203551364.AAA148@hawk1> Message-ID: >> I also realise there are boots of the 'Eclipse' Rainbow shows and PF >learnt >> by that, if you read any interviews with the band. The majority of their >> studio albums haven't been performed on stage prior to release on the >same >> level as DSofM. >> >> Yours, >> Star Rats > >and then theres the grateful dead who almost Never released material until >they had been playing >it for a year or so,while allowing all and sundry to record it. and we all >know they never sold many albums... ;P >rj > Oh bugger this, this will be my final post. I was just making a point that I have found it to be true in many cases during my experience with the music industry and bands in general. I bow to the fact that there will be some bands that do whatever they want when it comes to new material, boots or no boots. I just think it's a shame that some bands are put off from performing new material due to the impossibility of it being unheard at the time of release. . .that's all. Star Rats From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 18 21:00:50 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:00:50 -0800 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal Message-ID: > For all the people out there in boc-l land who have Hawkwind related > web pages, I have a proposal. I have seen "rings" created for topics, > where each main page links to the site "before" it and "after" it in > the ring. This way, if someone wants to browse everything about a > topic, they can circle around the ring without having to deal with > arbitrary links on people's pages. I agree. I have a lot of fun surfing the various links and seeing if anything has been updated, but in the spirit of discovery I don't keep a set list of bookmarks beyond a couple. A ring could be a good thing in setting an established "route". Also, I am biased because my page is a newcomer and I am hoping to get it included, while at the same time, I would like to see what everybody else has so that I am not just duplicating things. I am for it! What do the rest of you think? Bryan From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 18 19:50:31 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:50:31 -0800 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: >Firstly, Bryan wrote: >>One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue >>the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've >>got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not >>that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. > >Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does >anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. I have just about >every book he's written, & the two "Hawklords" books make Club Ninja seem like >Secret treaties (to micx metaphors & list sections) - Bryan: if you are really >desperate & in the UK, I'll mail you mine > >ChrisW Thanks but I am in Canada. I was being kind to the first novel when I said it was really not very good. I seem to recall Butterworth's name somewhere in a SF anthology of short stories in the early 70's, so I hope he didn't save his worst efforts for the Hawkwind titles. I agree with you that Moorcock wasn't really involved in the novel. I read an interview somewhere where he disavowed having anything to do with it other than some general advisory duties. So, it would appear the job is open. Do you think the Hawkwind legend is waiting for another try by another author? The Star Trek novels are going like mad over here, and I can't go into a bookstore to look for SF without having to look past 5 or 6 shelves of Star Trek junk. I'm really just kidding about writing a Hawkwind novel, but I am positive any one of us could match Butterworth's efforts. Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 18 19:52:05 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:52:05 -0500 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: >Firstly, Bryan wrote: >>One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue >>the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've >>got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not >>that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. > >Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does >anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. I have just about >every book he's written, & the two "Hawklords" books make Club Ninja seem like >Secret treaties (to micx metaphors & list sections) - Bryan: if you are really The first book was from an idea by MM and the company stuck his name on the book against his wishes. They tried to do the same on the second book, unsuccessfully. I read it just to read it, it was kind of amusing in a hazy sort of way. Elton John the source of all evil..... the feel I got for it may have seemed similar in a very minor way to Hawkmoon in his second set of chronicles, especially when he was all lethargic, listless, and depressed. And they both go to America eventually. But it is in no way to be confused with good sf (arguably, since it portrays Doug Smith in a positive light, it must be considered fantasy and not sf at all....) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 18 15:32:29 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:32:29 -0000 Subject: Retitle - (starrats) Message-ID: hey, it's just conversation, man. my statement wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. it was just a thought, and was intended to be laughed at. and please, notice the emoticons in posts. they are there for reasons. General: my bottom line is this: if i see a quality boot, that is not available elsewhere, i will buy it. then i will place it on the shelf right next to all the legit albums that take up 98% of the shelf. if a band doesn't want me to buy boots, they can release more material, and keep my wallet occupied. rj > Oh bugger this, this will be my final post. I was just making a point that > I have found it to be true in many cases during my experience with the > music industry and bands in general. I bow to the fact that there will be > some bands that do whatever they want when it comes to new material, boots > or no boots. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 18 15:35:04 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:35:04 -0000 Subject: web "ring" proposal Message-ID: good idea! > This would require: > (1) Volunteers to be in the ring. Please let me know if you > want to be part of this. > (2) An agreed-to initial ring order (which doesn't really > matter that much since the ring has no start). I'm open > to suggestions here. > (3) Some sort of format for the links. I can take a stab at > this if there is interest. > (4) An agreement that each site in the ring occasionally check > to make sure that its two links are still functioning so > that the ring isn't broken. > (5) Some idea of where we add new ring entries. I am open to > suggestions here, too. > > Comments? Suggestions? Large quantities of unmarked bills? suggestion, make a standard link-gif, that people can add their own text on, to keep up with changing linx. im working on my page now, and will gladly participate once its done. rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 18 22:01:43 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:01:43 +1000 Subject: HW: Griffin In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970318161448.008efa50@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On 18 Mar 97 at 17:14, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >Ken: > > > >I may have some contacts who would be very interested in "saving the > >catalog." If they do show interest, how would they contact Griffin? > > > >Gary > > try Rob Godwin himself - last time I saw him he was at cgp at icom.ca > \\joe I have the same address for Griffin Records, but also pyat at icom.ca as Rob's private address. I don't know which is correct - try both. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 18 22:06:12 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:06:12 +1000 Subject: OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 18 Mar 97 at 15:05, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > --On tis 18 mar 1997 11.02 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > > > No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially > > >outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible > > >to mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK shop! > > >(Which it not infrequently is ....) > > > > If you think prices are bad here, go to France > > Or Australia, eh Sonique? It's not *that* bad (as France) for local releases, but it's true that Australia is a huge market for the US MAil Order business. A typical local release will be between $A23 and $A30 (10-14 pound) compared to say $15 USD (incl P&P) for mail order. Imports are another thing ..... the Virgin "V/A Monsters, Robots and Bug Men" CD was $47.95 (22 quid) for instance ... and Virgin *ARE* distributed locally ... by Virgin!!! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 18 21:58:53 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:58:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! Message-ID: >From: AgentOF at aol.com >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:40:41 -0500 (EST) >To: talger at pipeline.com >Subject: Re: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! > >Hey Ted, > >Can you do me a favor and post that Danny and John are playing a full >electric set, not an unplugged, although there may be an acoustical set in >there. All Tickets are $25 each. The higher amounts are sponsorship levels, >although all donations will be recognized in our Concert Program and are >GREATLY appreciated! Thanks, buddy! > >chuck Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... - Queensryche ----------------------------------------------------------- From corwin at ROPNET.RU Tue Mar 18 22:36:20 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:36:20 +0300 Subject: Jerry Richards Message-ID: Anyone knows anything about him? Where he played before and when? Just want to know something about new Hawkwind member. Corwin From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 04:18:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:24 GMT Subject: HW: Cleopatra T-shirt? Message-ID: On tis 18 mar 1997 14.50 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > I was thinking about ordering one, but > I fear that I might actually already have one. That's because before > Cleopatra/Hypnotic was formed, Brian Pererra ran a mail-order business > featuring various HW discs and other cool things, as well as some nice > HW t-shirts (bootlegged I'm sure :( although I didn't know at the time). > I have two or three of these, one of which was a Space Ritual tie-dye, > and the other is the Doremi shield with six photos on the back...Brock, > Nik, Lemmey (sic), DikMik, Simon King, and Del, if my memory serves me > correctly. I've got the Space Ritual tie-dye from them as well, for good or for ill bootleg-wise. Didn't think about it at the time, and I was just desperate for a HawkT anyway. The other shirt with the SR-era photos sounds cool. HW should produce their own version and sell it :) I'm still waiting for someone to produce posters of the band and individual photos from the EMI remasters :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 04:25:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:25:48 GMT Subject: OFF: boots! Message-ID: On tis 18 mar 1997 11.57 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In message , Carl Edlund Anderson > writes > > Well, the first record I bought was the Monkees _Headquarters_, > > which IMO is still pretty cool :) > > The Monkees *are* cool. NO Smiley! Headquarters is the best album, with > the (remastered with extra tracks) Head Soundtrack - compiled and > arranged by Jack Nicholson) running a close second. Well, obviously I'm in agreement there. Though I consider _Pieces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones_ in the top three as well. And as a major Nezhead, I gotta support all those tracks like "You Told Me", "You Just May Be the One", "Sunny Girlfriend" (or "Scroungy Girlfriend" on the live album :) , "Salesman", "Circle Sky" .... _Head_. Trouble covered "Porpoise Song". Gary Ramon (Sundial) covered "Circle Sky". Frank Zappa appears briefly in it. 'Nuff said :) > I couldn't give a > stuff if they were manufactured or corporate or anything else. It was 30 > years ago, the music's good by any yardstick. The show's are still > watchable occasionally too! IMO, the show remains pretty good fun (I mean, _every_ 60s sitcom reuses the same plot over and over again!) and certainly at the time it was incredibly innovative in many ways. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 04:27:41 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:27:41 GMT Subject: Jerry Richards Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- Anyone knows anything about him? Where he played before and when? Just want to know something about new Hawkwind member. Corwin ----- End Included Message ----- Yeah, He used to play with Tubilah Dog. Keith From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Mar 19 04:34:46 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:34:46 +1100 Subject: BOC:Zeke's Tyre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC nuts, I have just gotten word from a record dealer that SPV of Germany are intending to release EW on 28 April. Hmmm.... Let's all hope that the distribution hassels are solved. Does any one in Europe want to find the label's phone no. and confirm this? Troy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 05:08:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:08:00 +0000 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL84's mail of Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:22 -0600 Message-ID: On 18 Mar 20:22, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Most bands want to play stuff the fans aleady know and > are comfortable with: 3OC syndrome? I suspect that I would have enjoyed the Alien tour more if I had already heard the album. I like to recognise a reasonable proportion of songs. Which doesn't mean that I want to hear the same songs every time, or that I don't want to hear recent material. I like to be kept guessing as to what the band will play next, and then to recognise two out of three. (It also depends on the quality of the mix; if someone is singing on stage, and I can't make out the words, then old material will win over new almost every time). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 19 05:01:30 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:01:30 UT Subject: HW: Stacia Message-ID: Just looking through the essential _Rock Family Trees_, thought I'd share this little quote from Bob: "Stacia was a statuesque, larger-than-life lady whose appeal was probably summed up in this story. One day, I went into the Mountain Grill with Stacia, who was wearing a pair of jeans and a blouse which revealed little in the way of flesh - but much in the way of contour... and this spade cat looked up from his food in total amazement! He'd never seen anything like it! I think he got an instant hard-on, actually... he just kept looking at her, then at me, smiling and repeating "nice lady", very appreciatively. Factions of the audience were always grateful for her presence... she was the ultimate masturbation fantasy for a certain type of wanker!" - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 06:42:52 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:42:52 GMT Subject: HW: Out and Intake Message-ID: Who was looking for Out and Intake vinyl? I seem to have a spare copy lying around if you are still in search of this - one of my favourite album covers too 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 06:55:31 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:31 GMT Subject: OFF: White Album Kollectors only In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:48:25 -0800 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > Jon wrote: > >but won't pay *that* for them are The Beatles White Album at 32UKP, > > Thirty two quid!!!! I've seen sillier money than that being offered for an original issue. Query: I seem to have a copy of the White Album lurking deep within the lower depths of my record collection (but then surely most folk have - I even enjoy listening to it occasionally!) but it looks too clean and pristine to be original and I can't for the life of me remember when I bought it. So how do I find out whether it *is* original or a re-issue? Just curious but if anyone happens to know could they reply personally to me rather than to the list to save unnecessary off topic mailings! ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 02:06:43 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:06:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Cleopatra T-shirt? Message-ID: > I've got the Space Ritual tie-dye from them as well, for good or for > ill bootleg-wise. Didn't think about it at the time, and I was just > desperate for a HawkT anyway. The other shirt with the SR-era photos > sounds cool. HW should produce their own version and sell it :) I'm still > waiting for someone to produce posters of the band and individual photos > from the EMI remasters :) > t-shirts dont count. =) if the band (any band) management isn't making t's readily available, then why complain about people who are? its free exposure/advertising. of course id rather support the band by buying their output, and when i see it, i do. but if you have to wait 4 years between tours to get them... a lot of people see a shirt and ask about it if it is new to them. this cannot hurt,but only help... i think.. rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 07:16:23 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:16:23 GMT Subject: OFF: Headquarters et al. In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:57:13 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message , Carl Edlund Anderson > writes > > Well, the first record I bought was the Monkees _Headquarters_, which > >IMO is still pretty cool :) > > > > The Monkees *are* cool. NO Smiley! Headquarters is the best album, with yes! There is someone else in the world who appreciates this album - that's a relief! Altho' IMO the second side is considerably better musically and lyrically than the first. Have the lyrics for this album ever been published anywhere? There are some deeply strange verses that I just cannot identify the words of and I would really like to find these! jill PS: I heard that Iron Butterfly were doing gigs somewhere - in case anyone is curious about this. The past is indeed coming back to haunt us - maybe it's something to do with the Millenium Bomb and the zeroing of all the computer time clocks ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Mar 19 08:41:35 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:41:35 +1000 Subject: HW: Logo thing Message-ID: Hi All, If anyone downloaded my Win95 logo thing and noticed the animation sucked ... I put a new version on the ftp site yesterday (ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hawkwind.zip) The OzHawks pages now have a "Latest News" page too btw ... http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 19 06:51:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:51:57 EDT Subject: BOC:Zeke's Tyre Message-ID: > From: Troy Harris > BOC nuts, > > I have just gotten word from a record dealer that SPV of Germany > are intending to release EW on 28 April. > > Hmmm.... > > Let's all hope that the distribution hassels are solved. > Does any one in Europe want to find the label's phone no. and confirm > this? > > Troy Well, I'm skeptical of course, but this would be great. It totally amazes me that 3OC could be so laissez faire about a new album when they have a summer of wheezer tours coming up, and all the other wheezers [most of whom are even more desperate than 3OC] are readying product for the fans. What could Schenck be thinking? The wheeze fest will be bad enough, what with 3OC not even headlining [I presume] and playing for a half-hour. Grrr, what a way to start the morning! theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 08:32:17 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:32:17 GMT Subject: HW: Queens of Deliria In-Reply-To: Bryan's message of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:50:31 -0800 Message-ID: Somebody before Bryan wrote: > >Firstly, Bryan wrote: > >>One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue > >>the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've > >>got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not > >>that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. Queens of Deliria, for all its dreadfulness, is a fairly rare book - probably since no-one in their right minds would want to re-issue it for the popular market today. So if you've got a copy then it's worth hanging on to in case you need to trade at any time and if you haven't got a copy then it's definitely worth looking out for a cheapish version - or buying the box set which gives you the CD as well 8-) Do NOT, however read the book itself though unless you really want to spend a bad afternoon or waste a couple of hours before going to sleep. It is cringeworthy in the extreme. > Thanks but I am in Canada. I was being kind to the first > novel when I said it was really not very good. I seem to > recall Butterworth's name somewhere in a SF anthology of short > stories in the early 70's, so I hope he didn't save his worst > efforts for the Hawkwind titles. Moorcock and Butterworth, were co-editors (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) of the 'New Worlds' publication for many years and then went their VERY separate ways. > I'm really just kidding about writing a Hawkwind novel, but I am > positive any one of us could match Butterworth's efforts. > There is a 3rd title in the series, the graphic novel, 'Ledge of Darkness' and this came out recently as part of a package with (was it in New World's Fair?) and is worth the purchase tho' I'd have to re-read it to remind myself what it was all about now. Griffin really did a tremendous job on these packages and it's a real shame that they've gone under. Thank goodness they managed to get Sonic Attack and CYM out before everything went pear-shaped. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 09:11:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:11:00 +0000 Subject: HW: touring! In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's mail of Mon, 17 Mar 97 17:55 +0000 Message-ID: On 17 Mar 17:55, J Strobridge wrote: > Yay! 17th October in Edinburgh - and a Friday too 8-))) I wonder which venue it'll be. I really enjoyed the gig in the Usher Hall, with the huge backdrop. Although I think the stalls have fixed seats, which would be a disadvantage. In any case, I'm not sure the management would want us back -- the ushers were the dear old ladies that the management employ for their usual classical concerts, and they were a bit overwhelmed by the rush of exuberant youths heading for the auditorium. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Mar 19 09:19:38 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:19:38 GMT Subject: OFF:Here comes the 60's again Message-ID: In today's copy of the Independent there is a 2 page article on the the *new* live King Crimson album, "Epitaph". This will be a 4 CD (or slimmed down to a double CD) box set from 1969. Track list was not printed. Neil. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 09:29:12 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:29:12 GMT Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:43:11 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: On this. There's a Web site called Webring which will maintain all the links for you in a way that when someone joins or leaves then only they need to do anything. A search on "Webring" would probably nail it. I saw one for Civilization and it seemed pretty good. It's certainly a lot less pain than trying to follow lots of broken links. FoFP > For all the people out there in boc-l land who have Hawkwind related > web pages, I have a proposal. I have seen "rings" created for topics, > where each main page links to the site "before" it and "after" it in > the ring. This way, if someone wants to browse everything about a > topic, they can circle around the ring without having to deal with > arbitrary links on people's pages. > > For the Hawkwind pages, for example, if the ring is > (official page) <-> (Sonique's page) <-> > (Golden Void page) <-> (Calvert page) <-> > [wrap back to official page] > then the official page would point forward to Sonique's page and > backwards to the Calvert page, Sonique's page would point forward to > the Golden Void page and backwards to the official page, etc. (Don't > read anything into who I used in the example above, I just chose the > first few that came to mind.) > > This would require: > (1) Volunteers to be in the ring. Please let me know if you > want to be part of this. > (2) An agreed-to initial ring order (which doesn't really > matter that much since the ring has no start). I'm open > to suggestions here. > (3) Some sort of format for the links. I can take a stab at > this if there is interest. > (4) An agreement that each site in the ring occasionally check > to make sure that its two links are still functioning so > that the ring isn't broken. > (5) Some idea of where we add new ring entries. I am open to > suggestions here, too. > > Comments? Suggestions? Large quantities of unmarked bills? > > Frank > > -- > =============================================================================== > Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 > > DCLXVI - Roman Numeral of the Beast From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 09:40:08 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:40:08 -0000 Subject: HW: touring! Message-ID: Not to mention the 18th in Glasgow... Can anyone say "Car Hire" and "Bed and Breakfast" I thought so Andy C On 17 Mar 17:55, J Strobridge wrote: > Yay! 17th October in Edinburgh - and a Friday too 8-))) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 09:55:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:55:09 GMT Subject: Rudy's address anyone? Message-ID: Does anyone have a current email address for Rudy? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 10:09:09 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:09:09 GMT Subject: HW: touring! In-Reply-To: Andy C's message of Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:40:08 -0000 Message-ID: Andy C writes: > Not to mention the 18th in Glasgow... > Can anyone say "Car Hire" and "Bed and Breakfast" It's usually possible to make the last train back to Edinburgh and I'm sure I could offer some floorspace to diehard hawkfans. Most years I've run a minibus from Edinburgh to Glasgow but if the gig in Edinburgh really happens the night before, there may not be enough takeup for it. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 10:14:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:14:57 GMT Subject: HW: touring! Message-ID: Hmmmm, I believe Motorhead is also touring England in October ... sounds like an ideal opportunity for a quick reunion. After all, the bass situation could do with some filling out ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 19 10:36:02 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:36:02 +0800 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > > Firstly, Bryan wrote: > >One thing in particular, though: They listed in their catalogue > >the SF book _Queens of Deliria_ but the price seemed too high. I've > >got the first in the series _Time of the Hawklords_ (which is not > >that good, really), and I do want to get the next one anyways. > > Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does > anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. I have just about > every book he's written, & the two "Hawklords" books make Club Ninja seem like > Secret treaties (to micx metaphors & list sections) - Bryan: if you are really > desperate & in the UK, I'll mail you mine (if I can find it - I move dhouse > last summer) contact me off-list. > I believe the book was actually written by Michael Butterworth. I think, as with the first novel, Mike Moorcock only contributed a few ideas to the concept. William From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 19 10:33:43 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:33:43 -0600 Subject: Boots and New Material Message-ID: Theo>"It's strange that the Allmans, a band which encourages taping, developed many songs which eventually appeared on 'Where it all Begins' on stage before the album was even recorded. Yet they then release that album, and I believe it sold pretty well. What's my point? I'm not sure, other than that bootlegging probably didn't hurt that album's success. I guess this argues for the case that boots are mainly bought by rabid fans who have to have everything they can get their mitts on." I agree, who else really wants them but die hards. Some collectors just want to have there hands on everything a band puts out. Nothing wrong with that. Some bands like the Allmans consider this others don't. I'll leave out the names but I band I saw recently was divided amongst itself on boots. The bass player's comment was "Tape away, its just music and its meant for people to hear." The guitarist comments was "This band does not condone the taping of our live appearances. We do not support in any manner illegal recordings of our performances." Go figure. Theo>"But I would disagree with you that a lot of bands try out new stuff in concert before putting out an album. I just can't think of too many bands that have enough confidence in their fans to try a stunt like this. Most bands want to play stuff the fans aleady know and are comfortable with: 3OC syndrome?" I disagree here. Lots of bands do this. 3OC syndrome is the wrong example anyway becuase they have been trying out the "new material" on us for years, guess they're still not happy with the songs. 8>). Y&T played over 200 songs live before deciding the playlist for Ten. Didn't help them much with that one though. lil ab "People who use Queensryche lyrics in their sig lines are ....KEWL!" Any other Q'ryche fans out there think the Lady In Black would be a great cover for BOC? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 19 10:42:56 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:42:56 +0800 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: > So, it would appear the job is open. Do you think the Hawkwind > legend is waiting for another try by another author? The Star > Trek novels are going like mad over here, and I can't go into a > bookstore to look for SF without having to look past 5 or 6 shelves > of Star Trek junk. > > I'm really just kidding about writing a Hawkwind novel, but I am > positive any one of us could match Butterworth's efforts. > I think Butterworth has even written some Star Trek novels. I know he wrote some Space 1999. William From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 19 10:53:32 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:53:32 -0500 Subject: Rudy's address anyone? Message-ID: Last one I had was: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV This was from a BOC-L post from a few months back. I think that Bob is not on-line on a daily basis, so if you don't get any error messages, you should probably assume that he hasn't read his mail yet. John From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Mar 19 11:03:43 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:03:43 -0600 Subject: HW: Griffin In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward "Re: HW: Griffin" (Mar 19, 1:01pm) Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > On 18 Mar 97 at 17:14, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > >Ken: > > > > > >I may have some contacts who would be very interested in "saving the > > >catalog." If they do show interest, how would they contact Griffin? > > > > > >Gary > > > > try Rob Godwin himself - last time I saw him he was at cgp at icom.ca > > \\joe > > I have the same address for Griffin Records, but also pyat at icom.ca as Rob's > private address. I don't know which is correct - try both. I have PYAT at aol.com for Rob's personal e-mail, but I don't know how up to date that is since I haven't mailed him anything in a while. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I think my new thing will be to try to be a real happy guy. I'll just walk around being real happy until some jerk says something stupid to me. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 19 10:26:20 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:26:20 -0800 Subject: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! Message-ID: Hi S. F., > Does anyone else here subscribe to The Tubular 1's MORNING FINAL as > well? As usual a great issue and according to Bolle, the Final one. Although many of us will know Bolle's e-mail address, a great part does not. I think Bolle would like to keep it that way. I wouldn't use his e-mail address in mails to BOC-L. Oh, to answer your question, I am subcribed to MF. I think he told me once I was the only Dutch member. :-) Ttyl, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 19 10:38:59 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:38:59 -0800 Subject: OFF: CD prices Message-ID: > > > --On tis 18 mar 1997 11.02 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > > > No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially > > > >outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible > > > >to mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK shop! > > > >(Which it not infrequently is ....) I think Holland is among the top five as well. Regular CDs (no import) are 43 guilders, which is about US$ 23. Jerry From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 19 10:49:04 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:49:04 EDT Subject: Bolle's email address? Message-ID: If you really want to know Bolle's email address, there's an easy method: just do like I did, and flame him here on BOC-L. He'll get back to you! And you'll also find out that he's a lot different than the person who is usually quoted out of context here... theo From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Mar 19 11:54:47 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:54:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin Message-ID: > >I may have some contacts who would be very interested in "saving the > >catalog." If they do show interest, how would they contact Griffin? Griffin contacts: Robert Godwin has sent email from cgp at icom.ca when announcing releases, and from pyat at aol.com for other purposes. The CG Publishing web site http://www.icom.ca/~cgp/ has you send email to cgp at icom.ca . The Griffin USA site http://www.griffinmusic.com/main.htm has you send email to GrifMus at aol.com . From ShariHill at AOL.COM Wed Mar 19 11:54:36 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:54:36 -0500 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Hi . . . My name's Shari . . . like the subject header says, I'm a relatively new BOC fan--I was conned into listening to Fire of Unknown Origin by a friend who knew I was into Moorcock books, and have been hooked ever since. Just thought I'd check out this mail list to see what's going on out there . . . Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I special order it? Thanks much! S. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Mar 19 12:09:39 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:09:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Buck & BOC Comes Alive! Message-ID: Jerry wrote; >Although many of us will know Bolle's e-mail address, a great part does not. I think >Bolle would like to keep it that way. I wouldn't use his e-mail address in mails to >BOC-L. > >Oh, to answer your question, I am subcribed to MF. I think he told me once I was the >only Dutch member. :-) > Jerry, I don't think anyone (who didn't know it before) could understand that Bolle's e-mail address was in the posting until you mentioned it. :-) -Daniel Wikdahl (MF subscriber since many years... not the only Swede though) . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 12:17:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:17:38 GMT Subject: OFF: CD prices Message-ID: On ons 19 mar 1997 07.38 Jerry wrote: > I think Holland is among the top five as well. Regular CDs (no import) > are 43 guilders, which is about US$ 23. Holy macaroni! That's outrageous--last time I was in Boston I think new non-sale CDs were about US$ 11 to 16. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 12:24:23 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:24:23 GMT Subject: OFF: Space Rock (!) Message-ID: OK, where were HW's management on this one? -------------------------------------------------------------- from Earache's News page... 3.3.97 CATHEDRAL - OUT OF THIS WORLD! Cosmic rock masters Cathedral will literally be in outer space by the end of the year. Everybody's favourite doomers will be blasted into the cosmos as part of NASA's space exploration programme, with the music and lyrics from the 'Supernatural Birth Machine' included in the Huygens satellite launch taking place in October. The project is based around the Titan satellite which is intended to gather information about the planet Saturn, reckoned by scientists to be the planet most likely to contain viable life forms other than our own. If the research is true, and other life forms are uncovered, several items will be included as offerings from earth to any potential alien discovering the satellite and wishing to make contact with earth. Such things as messages, news items, videos and music will be placed on a special CD-Rom should any life form from another galaxy intercept the mission.Few bands could be more apt than Cathedral for a space journey - singer Lee is well known for his interest in science fiction, and with the band's eccentric style and spaced out image they could now truly be called cosmic rockers! The band will also beat ZZ Top, who have booked themselves on the first passenger trip to the Moon, to the honour of being the first band in space. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 05:16:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:16:44 +0000 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs In-Reply-To: <199703182143.NAA01793@f7.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <199703182143.NAA01793 at f7.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >Foget it, it's utter drivel - did MM actually write a word of this (does >anybody know), or has it just got his name on the front. As far as I know, no, not a word of it! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 12:29:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:29:42 GMT Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to > find any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're > like before I special order it? Thanks much! Now's here a perfect example of where sampler tapes are ideal. Presumably from someone in the States, though :) Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 12:27:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:27:00 +0000 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Shari Hill's mail of Wed, 19 Mar 97 11:54 -0500 Message-ID: On 19 Mar 16:54, Shari Hill wrote: > Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find > any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I > special order it? Thanks much! The usual album recommended for BOC fans to try first is "Live Chronicles". This is doubly true for Moorcock fans. The title makes more sense when you hear the opening line: "Welcome to the Chronicles of the Black Sword". Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Mar 19 12:40:04 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:40:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void site update Message-ID: Hi Frank here is an update for your great site: CORRIDORS OF FLAME =================== - 12.12.1971 Birmingham - 23.04.1995 Boulder - 01.10.1988 Clyro - 01.06.1985 Folkestone - 29.04.1993 Utrecht - 16.10.1971 Potters Bar - 12.11.1982 London - 28.10.1995 Berlin - 27.11.1986 London - 15.11.1982 Chippenham - 05.04.1995 St.Catherines - 27.02.1977 London - 06.12.1979 Preston - 27.10.1981 Oxford NOVA DRIVE ========== - 28.05.1984 Ramsgate - 13.11.1994 Cologne - 10.11.1980 Doncaster - 23.04.1995 Boulder - 08.04.1995 Springfield - 22.04.1988 London - 06.10.1978 Oxford - 03.06.1989 Woolwich - 08.11.1986 Birmingham - 07.10.1989 SF THETA ORIONIS ============= - 25.01.1990 Nottingham - 27.07.1995 London - 11.11.1993 Camebridge TIME OF THE HAWKLORDS ===================== - 23.11.1978 Plymouth LOVE IN SPACE ============ - 19.10.1995 Bristol TIMELESS PAEANS =============== - 18.05.1991 Detroit - 12.10.1991 Tilburg - 07.10.1989 SF - 23.04.1995 Boulder - 13.11.1994 Cologne - 21.02.1984 Sheffield - 24.04.1992 Brighton - 17.05.1991 St. Catherines - 25.04.1993 Tilburg - 22.04.1988 London - 13.10.1981 Bradford Bernhard From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 19 12:40:23 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:40:23 +0100 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: At 17:27 1997-03-19 +0000, you wrote: >On 19 Mar 16:54, Shari Hill wrote: >> Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find >> any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I >> special order it? Thanks much! > >The usual album recommended for BOC fans to try first is "Live Chronicles". >This is doubly true for Moorcock fans. The title makes more sense when >you hear the opening line: "Welcome to the Chronicles of the Black Sword". ...said by mr Moorcock himself! - (if you manage to get a Griffin CD...) >Dave. \\joe From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 07:23:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:23:29 +0000 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970318173600.0068ba00@mail.io.com> Message-ID: In message <3.0.1.32.19970318173600.0068ba00 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats writes >Oh bugger this, this will be my final post. Why? What's the matter? > I was just making a point that >I have found it to be true in many cases during my experience with the >music industry and bands in general. I bow to the fact that there will be >some bands that do whatever they want when it comes to new material, boots >or no boots. Counterfeiting studio releases is fully theft of the worst kind. However, you will have a job convincing me that taping shows hurts bands in any way whatsoever. It's not something I've done and I don't have more than a handful of *any* band. I've a couple of Julian Cope. Someone who I've bought all 20+ legit releases. I do have a couple of HW, again after buying nearly 70+ legit CD's and vinyl's. One example, Space Ritual, I've paid for 5 times in my life. People only buy or trade these things if they've already got all official releases. Can you really see some Pink Floyd fan not buying the new studio set because he's got something off a Walkman or even a nice clear off the desk copy? It's not going to happen. What will happen is, he plays the thing to his mates, they all get excited about the release and the band sell more than they would. It primes the pump, as it were. And if that's what the point boils down to, maximising revenue for the band, then I wouldn't have the slightest concern. All it does is advertise the pukka releases. My brother was bootleged when he did the Reading Festival a couple of years back. He was just pleased that they put *him* on the cover! (He was a drummer at the time.) >I just think it's a shame that some bands are put off from performing new >material due to the impossibility of it being unheard at the time of >release. . .that's all. That's life, eh? You can't play your music in public without someone hearing it! > >Star Rats Jonny "Bingo" Karma From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 19 12:58:45 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:58:45 -0000 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Go ye hence to ye olde CD merchant and purchase Hall of the Mountain Grill, Levitation and Quark Strangeness & Charm. Then prepare for addiction! BWwhahahahahahar!!! Mike P. ---------- From: Shari Hill[SMTP:ShariHill at AOL.COM] Sent: 19 March 1997 16:54 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Hi . . . My name's Shari . . . like the subject header says, I'm a relatively new BOC fan--I was conned into listening to Fire of Unknown Origin by a friend who knew I was into Moorcock books, and have been hooked ever since. Just thought I'd check out this mail list to see what's going on out there . . . Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I special order it? Thanks much! S. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Mar 19 13:03:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:03:28 +0100 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: At 05:27 PM 3/19/97 +0000, you wrote: >On 19 Mar 16:54, Shari Hill wrote: >> Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find >> any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I >> special order it? Thanks much! > >The usual album recommended for BOC fans to try first is "Live Chronicles". >This is doubly true for Moorcock fans. The title makes more sense when >you hear the opening line: "Welcome to the Chronicles of the Black Sword". > >Dave. >-- Well that was the same album (along with "Chronicles" and Levitation") that alot of you guys recommended me when I was going to do the same thing as Shari... I don't think it is a good choice... if there is a BOC album these albums are close in sound and spirit... is it Club Ninja... (IMHO) Shari -try "Hall of the Mountain Grill" or "Warriors on the Edge of Time" instead (if you like early BOC)... or maybe "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" if "FOUO" is your fave BOC album. I can't understand everybodys excitement over this fucking sword... ;-) med vaenlig haelsning -Daniel "Huw's guitar-playing makes me nervous" Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 19 12:03:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:03:45 EDT Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: > From: Jon Browne > In message <3.0.1.32.19970318173600.0068ba00 at mail.io.com>, Star Rats > writes > >Oh bugger this, this will be my final post. > > Why? What's the matter? > > I was just making a point that > >I have found it to be true in many cases during my experience with the > >music industry and bands in general. I bow to the fact that there will be > >some bands that do whatever they want when it comes to new material, boots > >or no boots. > > Counterfeiting studio releases is fully theft of the worst kind. > > However, you will have a job convincing me that taping shows hurts bands > in any way whatsoever. It's not something I've done and I don't have > more than a handful of *any* band. I've a couple of Julian Cope. Someone > who I've bought all 20+ legit releases. I do have a couple of HW, again > after buying nearly 70+ legit CD's and vinyl's. One example, Space > Ritual, I've paid for 5 times in my life. > People only buy or trade these things if they've already got all > official releases. > > Can you really see some Pink Floyd fan not buying the new studio set > because he's got something off a Walkman or even a nice clear off the > desk copy? It's not going to happen. What will happen is, he plays the > thing to his mates, they all get excited about the release and the band > sell more than they would. It primes the pump, as it were. And if that's > what the point boils down to, maximising revenue for the band, then I > wouldn't have the slightest concern. All it does is advertise the pukka > releases. > My brother was bootleged when he did the Reading Festival a couple of > years back. He was just pleased that they put *him* on the cover! (He > was a drummer at the time.) > > >I just think it's a shame that some bands are put off from performing > new > >material due to the impossibility of it being unheard at the time of > >release. . .that's all. > > > That's life, eh? You can't play your music in public without someone > hearing it! > > > >Star Rats > > Jonny "Bingo" Karma Somebody asked Al about this a while back, and he said that he doesn't have a problem with people taping tBS shows, as long as they don't make copies for comercial sale. His only gripe was with folks taping stuff that could be bought commercially. Say Al, if you're here, was bootlegging a problem when you were with BOC? Do you figure it hurt the band or helped expose people to the music. What's your take on this thread? And how are preparations coming for the Syracuse gig? Any surprises you're going to spring on us tundra dwellers? theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 04:54:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:54:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Imports In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Sonique writes >It's not *that* bad (as France) for local releases, but it's true that >Australia is a huge market for the US MAil Order business. A typical local >release will be between $A23 and $A30 (10-14 pound) compared to say $15 USD >(incl P&P) for mail order. > >Imports are another thing ..... the Virgin "V/A Monsters, Robots and Bug Men" >CD was $47.95 (22 quid) for instance ... and Virgin *ARE* distributed locally >... by Virgin!!! > >Sonique > I've just started importing Goldmine to sell in my shop. I hadn't seen it before and I cannot *believe* the difference in prices. Archive International (60's Punk/Garage/Psyche) discs are around 5-7 bucks a pop, from Reckless in Chicago. I've been paying 12-14 UKP each for these for years! (And still calling them good value 'cos I **love** them so much!) The three Nuggets discs, I paid UKP ?19.50 each! i.e. the thick end of 100 bucks for all three! With overseas post being $7 for the first disc or flat rate of $12, I can't see myself spending a great deal in UK record shops anymore. Viva The Global Economy! -- Jon Browne OB CD - Spirit/remasters/12 Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 19 13:17:44 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 02:17:44 +0800 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > At 05:27 PM 3/19/97 +0000, you wrote: > >On 19 Mar 16:54, Shari Hill wrote: > >> Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find > >> any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I > >> special order it? Thanks much! > > > >The usual album recommended for BOC fans to try first is "Live Chronicles". > >This is doubly true for Moorcock fans. The title makes more sense when > >you hear the opening line: "Welcome to the Chronicles of the Black Sword". > > > >Dave. > >-- > Well that was the same album (along with "Chronicles" and > Levitation") that alot of you guys recommended me when I was going > to do the same thing as Shari... I don't think it is a good > choice... if there is a BOC album these albums are close in sound > and spirit... is it Club Ninja... (IMHO) > Shari -try "Hall of the Mountain Grill" or "Warriors on the Edge of > Time" instead (if you like early BOC)... or maybe "Quark, Strangeness > and Charm" if "FOUO" is your fave BOC album. > I would agree with you on those choices. The Black Sword period of their music is more straight-forward hard rock, whereas those others are more varied musically. Chronicles, no matter how good it may be, isn't really a prime example of Hawkwind's originality. It's a bit like Pink Floyd's Wall in that respect. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 06:34:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:34:33 +0000 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal In-Reply-To: <332F48D2.5911@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <332F48D2.5911 at hotmail.com>, Bryan Young writes >I am for it! What do the rest of you think? > >Bryan Good idea. -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 19 13:14:01 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:14:01 UT Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Shari Welcome! First up, you've heard of Lemmy, OK? His old band - and many people (including me) think Hawkwind were at their best when he was a member (1972-1975). Secondly - Hawkwind have made roughly one album a year since 1970 so there's LOTS of product. Plus, they've been extensively pirated, and there's a lot of poor-quality compilations knocking around. And even the official product varies from the utterly brilliant to the unlistenably crap. Trouble is, no-one agrees which is which! :) The most Moorcock-oriented albums are Lemmy's last HW album _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ [1975], _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ [1985], and _Live Chronicles_ [1986] (which is the live album from the Black Sword tour in 1985). Although I personally don't like the Black Sword stuff, and I'd recommend above all else the ultimate mega-classic _Space Ritual_ [1972] (which also features two Moorcock poems). FWIW, last time we ran a popularity poll, _Warrior..._ came top, with _Space Ritual_ and 1991's _Palace Springs_ following closely behind. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 19 13:33:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:33:55 -0500 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Welcome Shari - hope you enjoy the discussion. There hasn't been a lot of extensive BOC conversation here, mostly because we're all waiting for the release of BOC's next album, tentatively entitled, "Ezekiel's Wheel" - due out by the end of the year (we hope). Feel free to start a discussion - you'll find that we're not short on opinions! ;-) If you want to know more about BOC before asking questions, I highly recommend the BOC FAQ. You can get it from the BOC-L archives by FTP, or by pointing your browser to: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_1.txt NOTE: The next revision of the FAQ (2.2) is completed, but as of this moment is not yet in the archives -- it should be there within a day or two (I hope), and when it is, the URL will be: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_2.txt BTW, take a few days off from work or school to read it... ;-) Finally, if you like BOC, you might be interested in the Brain Surgeons, formed by former BOC drummer Albert Bouchard (who wrote a good chunk of BOC's music) - Albert's also a BOC-L member and ocassionally drops by. The Brain Surgeons have 3 excellent albums which you can get by mail order to Albert -- see details in the BOC FAQ. John Swartz From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 19 13:39:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:39:05 -0500 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: >Somebody asked Al about this a while back, and he said that he doesn't have a problem with people taping tBS shows, as long as they don't make copies for comercial sale. His only gripe was with folks taping stuff that could be bought commercially. Say Al, if you're here, was bootlegging a problem when you were with BOC? Do you figure it hurt the band or helped expose people to the music. What's your take on this thread? My guess is that bootlegs did little to BOC record sales, there are so few BOC bootlegs. I kind of wished *The Thing!* was a legit release - I think it's a better live album than *ETL*, with the exception of "Roadhouse Blues", which of course featured Robbie Krieger on ETL. John From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Mar 19 13:48:44 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:48:44 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void site update In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech "HW: Golden Void site update" (Mar 19, 6:40pm) Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi Frank > > here is an update for your great site: [live trip list snipped] Thanks for the information! I updated the live tracks page. I also added Jerry Richards / Tubilah Dog to the list of previous bands of members. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Cogito Eggo Sum -- "I think, therefore I am a waffle." From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Mar 19 13:42:43 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:42:43 E Subject: HW: Stacia Message-ID: Hey a Question... Is there any place on the net where there are pictures of Stacia what about Bridgett? peace bryan From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Mar 19 14:37:10 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:37:10 EST Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: So at the Syracuse show, should I be preparing to tape it, or is anyone else out there (Theo, Torgo, etc.) planning on this. Maybe we should all tape it and make the best sounding tape available to BOC-L? Brian obCD> Little Georgie & the Shuffling Hungarians / Live from Styleen's Rhythm Palace From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Mar 19 14:38:34 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (ENTER-USERS-REAL-NAME-HERE) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:38:34 -0400 Subject: OFF:Here comes the 60's again Message-ID: >In today's copy of the Independent there is a 2 page article on the the >*new* live King Crimson album, "Epitaph". This will be a 4 CD (or slimmed >down to a double CD) box set from 1969. Track list was not printed. > >Neil. Vol. 1 -- BBC 1. Schizoid Man 2.ITCOTCK 3.Get Thy Bearings 4. Epitaph; Filmore East -- 5.A Man A City 6. Epitaph 7. Schizoid Man; Filmore West 8.Mantra; 9. Travel Weary Capricorn; 10. Improve - Travel Bleary Capricorn 11. Mars Vol. 2 -- Fillmore West 1. ITCOTCK 2. Drop In 3. A Man A City 4. Epitaph 5. Schizoid Man 6. Mars Vol. 3 -- Plumpton 1. Schizoid Man 2. Get Thy Bearings 3. ITCOTCK 4. Mantra 5. Travel Weary 6. Improve 7. Mars Vol. 4 -- Chesterfield 1. Schizoid Man 2. Drop In 3. Epitaph 4. Get Thy Bearings 5. Matra 6. Travel Weary Capricorn 7. Improv 8. Mars (courtesy of Elephant Talk newsletter) Jason. Reviews of the sound quality of the recordings are very positive. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 19 15:17:12 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:17:12 -0600 Subject: ALL: I'm back! In-Reply-To: <9703191142.aa00257@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Hello. I decided, since things were starting to happen (at www.hawkwind.com, anyway) that I ought to return to this happy list and see what I missed. So... anything interesting happen in the last couple of months while I was gone? [I know... you all talked about how much you missed me, right? :-) ] Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Mar 19 15:44:04 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:44:04 GMT Subject: OFF: subsrcibing Message-ID: Hi Could someone tell me how to subrice to the BOC-L ducession list. I'm about to go away for 2 weeks and need to subrcibe to the with a difierent e-mail accoutn but can't remeber what I did in the first place to join (ie what I put inth eahder/body of message) Thanks Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Mar 19 17:27:16 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:27:16 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Grumpy Old Git about HW/OFF: boots! >And (in a flagrant attempt to turn the topic of conversation to something >useful to me) HLL's Outside the Law. Huw was asked if someone who had >recorded the gig could release it, he said no and rushed into releasing >OtL, which I think has poor quality everything. I was at the gig this album was recorded at (Brentford Red Lion). There were several people recording the performance (including me .... ho hum!) but the best was the guy who put a ghetto blaster type thing on the front of the stage and at one point even asked Huw to speak up in case the tape wasn't picking up his between song banter!?! >But while we are on the subject of Huwie does anyone know his touring >schedule? the only show I have heard of was the one I posted previously that was last saturday. If I spot any more I'll post them. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 13:28:51 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:28:51 -0000 Subject: HW: touring! Message-ID: > It's usually possible to make the last train back to Edinburgh and I'm > sure I could offer some floorspace to diehard hawkfans. Most years I've > run a minibus from Edinburgh to Glasgow but if the gig in Edinburgh > really happens the night before, there may not be enough takeup for it. > > FoFP yeah, provided no one steals yer cab and ya don't have to run the whole way from the venue to the train station, eh, mike? ;) rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 13:47:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:47:44 -0000 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > On 19 Mar 16:54, Shari Hill wrote: > > Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find > > any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I > > special order it? Thanks much! > > The usual album recommended for BOC fans to try first is "Live Chronicles". > This is doubly true for Moorcock fans. The title makes more sense when > you hear the opening line: "Welcome to the Chronicles of the Black Sword". > > Dave. > -- yeah, but i think warrior is just as good a recommendation. warrior on the edge of time. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 13:58:10 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:58:10 -0000 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Well that was the same album (along with "Chronicles" and Levitation") that alot of you guys recommended me when I was going to do the same thing as Shari... I don't think it is a good choice... if there is a BOC album these albums are close in sound and spirit... is it Club Ninja... (IMHO) daniel, no offence, this is only MY opinion, but i could not possibly agree with you less unless you said they sounded like cindi lauper. or maybe the chipmonks. (i am not comparing CN to these. do not panic!) Shari -try "Hall of the Mountain Grill" or "Warriors on the Edge of Time" instead (if you like early BOC)... or maybe "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" if "FOUO" is your fave BOC album. i am, however, with you on this one. I can't understand everybodys excitement over this fucking sword... ;-) yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, screaming, hellsword! med vaenlig haelsning -Daniel "Huw's guitar-playing makes me nervous" Wikdahl hahahahahahahaahahahahahah ahh ahh he he ahee ahem }erp!{ rj ---------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 14:19:46 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:19:46 -0000 Subject: OFF:Here comes the 60's again Message-ID: leave it to robert $$$ fripp to release four different performances of the same set in a boxset. i might have considered buying one at a time, but not bulk, laws,no! sorry, about the negativity. i loved KC until fripp bored me to numbness with his league of crappy guitarists which i gave up a dead show for, and then saw his rediculous guitar camp advertised.... at that show he got angry because we the audience were being so rude as to actually applaud at the end of one of the songs. he acted like a substitute teacher waiting for the class to quit throwing things at each other. i think he was afraid we would upset one of his crappy guitarists' concentration, and cause him to miss his NOTE. rj > > >In today's copy of the Independent there is a 2 page article on the the > >*new* live King Crimson album, "Epitaph". This will be a 4 CD (or slimmed > >down to a double CD) box set from 1969. Track list was not printed. > > > >Neil. > > Vol. 1 -- BBC 1. Schizoid Man 2.ITCOTCK 3.Get Thy Bearings 4. Epitaph; > Filmore East -- 5.A Man A City 6. Epitaph 7. Schizoid Man; Filmore West > 8.Mantra; 9. Travel Weary Capricorn; 10. Improve - Travel Bleary Capricorn > 11. Mars > > Vol. 2 -- Fillmore West 1. ITCOTCK 2. Drop In 3. A Man A City 4. Epitaph > 5. Schizoid Man 6. Mars > > Vol. 3 -- Plumpton 1. Schizoid Man 2. Get Thy Bearings 3. ITCOTCK 4. > Mantra 5. Travel Weary 6. Improve 7. Mars > > Vol. 4 -- Chesterfield 1. Schizoid Man 2. Drop In 3. Epitaph 4. Get Thy > Bearings 5. Matra 6. Travel Weary Capricorn 7. Improv 8. Mars > > > (courtesy of Elephant Talk newsletter) > Jason. > > Reviews of the sound quality of the recordings are very positive. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 19 14:23:20 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:23:20 -0000 Subject: subsrcibing Message-ID: tim, send a mssg with subscribe boc-l at listserv.spc.edu as subject, and in body, type subscribe boc-l at listserv.spc.edu YOUR NAME. send it to listserv at listserv.spc.edu i think that's right, if not, im sure i will kindly be corrected... rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Mar 19 21:45:41 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:45:41 +1000 Subject: ALL: I'm back! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Mar 97 at 14:17, QUEST wrote: > Hello. I decided, since things were starting to happen (at > www.hawkwind.com, anyway) that I ought to return to this happy list and see > what I missed. So... anything interesting happen in the last couple of > months while I was gone? [I know... you all talked about how much you > missed me, right? :-) ] Well, the DAVE emailed me for starters! You can rise from your knees now ...... ;^) Sonique oBHWDates: Christmas in Oz is officially now August 7th! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Mar 19 22:55:10 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:55:10 -0500 Subject: BOC, HW, NIK:Setting BOC-L listserv options In-Reply-To: <199703191833.NAA26032@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: I need some help. I lost the listserv sheet that tells me how to filter or turn off some components of the discussion group. I know that the filter command looks something like this: Set BOC-L What are the commands and switches for the different segments of BOC-L? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Richard From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Mar 19 23:39:28 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:39:28 +1000 Subject: HW: Stacia Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > Hey a Question... > Is there any place on the net where there are pictures of Stacia > what about Bridgett? Not realy an answer, but is that Bridgett on the cover of (the infamous) "Live and Rare"? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Mar 19 23:46:24 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:46:24 +1000 Subject: ALL: I'm back! Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > Well, the DAVE emailed me for starters! > > You can rise from your knees now ...... All right! That's enough of that! I have a sinking feeling that you're going to subtly insert Dave Brock references in every sentence from now on... (:^) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 20 00:33:43 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:33:43 -0500 Subject: BOC:Zeke's Tyre/Schenck Message-ID: >Well, I'm skeptical of course, but this would be great. It totally >amazes me that 3OC could be so laissez faire about a new album when >they have a summer of wheezer tours coming up, and all the other wheezers >[most of whom are even more desperate than 3OC] are readying product >for the fans. What could Schenck be thinking? The wheeze fest will I'll say this much.... we may joke about Doug Smith, jokingly plan to rub him out and stuff like that.... but I'll take Doug Smith over Schenck any day of the week. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 20 00:33:45 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:33:45 -0500 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: >I think Butterworth has even written some Star Trek novels. I know he >wrote some Space 1999. Butterworth's bibliogrophy entry: The time of the Hawklords (1976) Queens of Deliria (1977) Planets of Peril (1977) <- Space 1999 stuff Mindbreaks of Space (1977) (with Jeff Jones) Space 1999 stuff The Space Jackers (1977) Space 1999 stuff The Psychomorph (1977) Space 1999 stuff The Time Fighters (1977) Space 1999 stuff The Edge of the Infinite (1977) Space 1999 stuff. He was probably more noted as an editor than an author, where he edited the following: Corridors (semipro) Wordworks He wrote several stories for these magazines. He also co-founded Savoy Books with David Briton, whose works he edited and compiled in 'The Savoy Book' and 'Savoy Dreams', two anthologies. Savoy Books apparently was the target of a crackdown by Manchester police against "obscenity".... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 20 00:33:47 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:33:47 -0500 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find >any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I >special order it? Thanks much! That's a simple question but rather hard to nail down in a simple reply. HW has changed so much from their early days to their current stuff, and at all times in between that it would be hard to describe them straight up. I bridged over to the band in a similar way (save a detour via IITBOTFTBD, something which you should not listen to first at any cost), and found Chronicle of the Black Sword to be an effective bridge between the two bands in terms of Moorcock's connection, sound, and feel. Especially for the Fire of Unknown Origin period of BOC history. Well, except the drumming, but that's another story. Right now Griffin's demise seems to have made finding them in normal retail chains around here suddenly rather difficult, you'll probably have to check through used stuff or order something (not too many HW people seem to sell their stuff to used CD places, generally if you find a bunch it means something like a divorce or a death...). =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 20 01:45:54 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:45:54 +1000 Subject: ALL: I'm back! In-Reply-To: <3330C120.3765@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 20 Mar 97 at 14:46, Max Wilcox wrote: > Sonique wrote: > > Well, the DAVE emailed me for starters! > > > > You can rise from your knees now ...... > > All right! That's enough of that! I have a sinking feeling that > you're > going to subtly insert Dave Brock references in every sentence from now > on... > (:^) No, the DAVE won't let me ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 20 02:40:13 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:40:13 -0800 Subject: OFF: Spirit Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > OB CD - Spirit/remasters/12 Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus Hey Jon, what is this 'remasters' CD? Could you please tell me what the label and the cat# are? Thanks, Jerry From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Mar 20 01:50:53 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:50:53 +0100 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >[snip] Right now Griffin's demise seems >to have made finding them in normal retail chains around here suddenly >rather difficult, you'll probably have to check through used stuff or order >something (not too many HW people seem to sell their stuff to used >CD places, generally if you find a bunch it means something like a >divorce or a death...). ^^^^^^^ what? \\joe "You can take my car, you can take the house, you can have the children, you can take the money, but take your bloody hands off my hawkwind bin!!!" E. ;0) >=================================== >Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > >Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) >http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm >(Andrew A. Apold) > > From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Mar 20 03:28:29 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:28:29 +0100 Subject: Retitle - Bootlegs and Tour News Message-ID: John; >My guess is that bootlegs did little to BOC record sales, there are >so few BOC bootlegs. I kind of wished *The Thing!* was a legit >release - I think it's a better live album than *ETL*, with the exception >of "Roadhouse Blues", which of course featured Robbie Krieger on ETL. Yes I agree, and I also wish that Live'76 was a bootleg! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Mar 20 05:17:04 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:17:04 UT Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, screaming, >hellsword! While at other times, it's a rather crass attempt at Freudian symbolism by a young writer who went on to much better things... :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 07:27:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:27:53 GMT Subject: BOC:Zeke's Tyre/Schenck Message-ID: > I'll say this much.... we may joke about Doug Smith, jokingly plan to > rub him out and stuff like that.... but I'll take Doug Smith over > Schenck any day of the week. Indeedy-do. My respect for Doug Smith was considerably improved by his hand in the EMI remasters. *Anyone* involved in that gets absolved of lots of sins in my opinion :) Schenk handles a lot of bands doesn't he? Some of them are pretty big names, and I wonder if he devotes a lot of time or energy to BOC ... [well ... I don't _really_ wonder ... :/ ] Cheers, Carl From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Mar 20 07:25:41 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:25:41 +1100 Subject: Boots and New Material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The dude wrote: > > Any other Q'ryche fans out there think the Lady In Black would be a > great cover for BOC? > I think The Roads to Madness would be cool, or Child of Fire. Troy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 07:30:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:30:06 GMT Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > (not too many HW people seem to sell their stuff to used > CD places, generally if you find a bunch it means something like a > divorce or a death...). Or at least for us non-Kompleat-Kollectors, an upgrade. I sold off my old versions of all the EMI remastered material. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 07:35:37 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:35:37 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: boots! Message-ID: > I was at the gig this album was recorded at (Brentford Red Lion). There > were several people recording the performance (including me .... ho > hum!) but the best was the guy who put a ghetto blaster type thing on > the front of the stage and at one point even asked Huw to speak up in > case the tape wasn't picking up his between song banter!?! I was one of several people recording a Fairport show in a pub in Massachusetts, and Simon Nicol would occasionally wander over to the microphone of the people next to me and sing at it or make humorous comments to it. :) Cheers, Carl From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Mar 20 07:44:25 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:44:25 +1100 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, screaming, > >hellsword! > > While at other times, it's a rather crass attempt at Freudian symbolism by a > young writer who went on to much better things... > :) > ....and to add fuel to the fire, some say that it is almost plagerism (sp?) anyway...another time, tho. Troy From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Mar 20 07:55:35 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:55:35 EST Subject: HW: Electric Tepee CD booklet Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone provide me with a description of the CD booklet that comes with the US Griffin CD release of _Electric Tepee_ ? I mean, does it include lyrics, photos, amusing anecdotes, free cash, or anything else that would make a non-Komplete Kollector collector (like myself) prefer the official release over a promo only release that just has the cover art & tracklist? MWood P.S. I was having some e-mail problems yesterday, so if you tried to send me something and it got rejected, please try again today. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 09:05:36 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:05:36 GMT Subject: lineup - langtree '86? Message-ID: Does anyone have this info? FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 09:26:20 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:26:20 +0000 Subject: lineup - langtree '86? In-Reply-To: <9703201405.aa10496@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Does anyone have this info? > > FoFP > If you mean Langtree 96 then it was just the DB, AD, RC and RT. RT's son also apperaed on stage, but didn't do a great deal. There were the 2 firebreathers (Kris and Scouse(?)) and ISTR the belly dancer. Mike w From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 09:27:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:27:31 GMT Subject: Woops - Langtree '96 Message-ID: is of course the gig I'm looking for the lineup of... FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 09:52:45 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:45 GMT Subject: lineup - langtree '86? In-Reply-To: Grumpy Old Git's message of Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:26:20 +0000 Message-ID: Grumpy Old Git writes: > On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > > Does anyone have this info? > > > > FoFP > > > If you mean Langtree 96 then it was just the DB, AD, RC and RT. RT's son > also apperaed on stage, but didn't do a great deal. There were the 2 > firebreathers (Kris and Scouse(?)) and ISTR the belly dancer. > > Mike w Great. Thanks Mike. P.S: No news of more Blake gigs I suppose? FoFP From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Mar 20 10:12:43 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:12:43 +0100 Subject: OFF; Fu Manchu Message-ID: Does anybody know if Fu Manchu has released their Godzilla cover yet? If that's the case -which label are they on now (still Bongload???). -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 10:30:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:30:49 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: Are the Hawkwind lyrics files still on-line somewhere, or did they eventually get killed off for copyright reasons ...? Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Mar 20 10:48:34 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:48:34 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: At 03:30 PM 3/20/97 GMT, you wrote: > Are the Hawkwind lyrics files still on-line somewhere, or did they >eventually get killed off for copyright reasons ...? > >Cheers, >Carl > > Ehrm... I have them on my account here at my university... they are not online but I can mail them to you if you want them. -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu Mar 20 11:02:05 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:02:05 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who has welcomed me into your little world so quickly and answered my quest for advice on Hawkwind stuff--by the looks of things, they've got one hell of a loyal following, eager to convert the unsuspecting. I think I'm going to like it here! :-) In my original mailing, I did say that I'm a fan of BOC and Moorcock--but let me say it's _not_ just the Moorcock stuff that interests me. Along with _Fire of Unknown Origin_, I've noticed _Imaginos_ has taken up permanent residence in the tape deck (I haven't found it on CD yet). _Agents of Fortune_ is another one I've found that I like--it must be the X-Files/Millenium fan in me. In short, I'm looking for imaginative rock along the lines of BOC or _Hemispheres_-era Rush--something that sounds good and tells a good story or paints a picture. I don't know if it helps, but I never did get into Black Sabbath--too simplistic, I guess--and I'm not a big fan of Pink Floyd--unless I'm feeling reeeeeeeeaaaaly mellow. (". . . gee, look at all the pretty lights . . .") A few people suggested I seek out the BOC FAQ before joining discussions, which I plan to do as soon as America Online lets me! For now, I'll content myself to gathering advice on which albums to buy and other such stuff, at least until I figure out what I'm talking about. You've all been most helpful! Shari From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 11:05:40 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:05:40 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics files? In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:30:49 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Are the Hawkwind lyrics files still on-line somewhere, or did they > eventually get killed off for copyright reasons ...? > > Cheers, > Carl Here ya go Incomplete ones first: Missing Hawkwind Lyrics ======================= Ghost Dance Douglas in the Jungle Elfin Incomplete Lyrics ================= Ship of Dreams (1) Upside Down (1) Wage War (1) Raping Robots in the Street (3) Stonehenge Decoded (2) Elements (1) Star Song (3) Mind Journey (3) Techno Tropic Zone Exists (12) _________________________________________________________________________ SHIP OF DREAMS [incomplete] ============== ( - Brock - ) Sail upon a ship of dreams Goes nowhere not all it seems You out there might try to ask A question about your daily tasks But I look neither right nor left Sail upon the dreams of death The only boat you travel on Is the one-way ticket home And I look neither right nor left ???? until all is said Sailing upon the Ship of Dreams It goes nowhere, not all it seems ___________________________________________________________________________ Upside Down [incomplete] =========== When I stand upside down Can't get a thing together and I don't know why Oh dear you look so good Don't you think it's heaven like you knew you would Oh dear what shall I do ??????????? reason and it's up to you I stand upside down Can't get a thing together and I don't know why You know you look so fine Can't get a thing together and I don't know why I stand upside down Can't get a thing together and I don't know why Oh dear what shall I do? ??????? reason and it's up to you I stand upside down Can't get a thing together and I don't know why _________________________________________________________________________ Wage War ======== I would see the city as a mutant among the wonders of the world. Its chimmneys polluting the air. Its roots poisoning the earth. Its tentacles setting one man against another and strangling them both in their hopeless contest. I would map the cities' highways and tunnels and bridges, its subways and canals, its neighbourhoods adorned by beautiful homes filled with priceless objects, rare libraries, and fine rooms. Its clever networks of pipes and cables and wires under the streets. Its Police departments and communications stations. Its hospitals, churches, and temples. Its administrative buildings crowded with overworked computers, telephones, and servile clerks. Then I would wage war against this city as if it were a living body. I would welcome the night-sister of my skin, cousin of my shadow, and have her shelter me and help me in my battle. I would lift the steel lids from the ????? and drop explosives into the black pits. And then I would run away and hide, waiting for the thunder which would trap, in mute telephone lines, millions of unheard words. Which would darken rooms full of white light and fearful people. I would wait for the midnight storm which whips the streets and blurs all shapes and I would hold my knife against the back of a doorman, yawning in his gold braided uniform, and force him to lead me upstairs where I would plunge my knife into his body. I would visit the rich, and the comfortable, and the un-aware, and their last screams would suffocate in their ornate curtains or tapestries and priceless carpets. Their dead bodies pinned down by broken statues would be gazed upon by slashed family portraits. Then I would run to the highways and speedways that surge forward towards the city. I would have with me bags full of bent nails to empty on the asphalt. I would wait for the dawn to see cars, trucks, buses approaching at great speed and hear the bursting of their tyres, the screech of their wheels, the thunder of their steel bodies suddenly grow wings as they crash into each other, like wine glasses pushed off a table. And in the morning I would go to sleep, smiling in the face of the day, the brother of my enemy. __________________________________________________________________________ Raping Robots in the Street =========================== Raping robots in the street Attacking people who they meet The droids are foaming at the mouth Sucking human goodness out Raping robots in the night ?????????????????????????? ???? droids are wishing to play Androids ???? ??? ?? you say There's chaos coming everywhere ???????????????????? Human hair __________________________________________________________________________ Stonehenge Decoded [incomplete] ================== Stonehenge decoded, I was there Sacrificed to this land so fair Across the windy downland hill There emanates a force of will Perimeter of barbed wire stands Encircled by the patrolling man Stonehenge decoded, I was there Sacrificed to this land so fair ???????????????? ??? ??? ?? ??? Offering blood ???? ??? ??? ?? Stonehenge decoded, I was there Sacrificed to this land so fair Sacrificed to this land so fair _________________________________________________________________________ Elements ======== ?????? well can you talk? The electric cool-aid acid test will walk and never touch the sign in the sky Reverse our roles, the underground told Reverse our roles Reverse our roles..... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Star Song [real title unknown. Song sung by Wishart on 1989 tour] ========= Capture the Watersnake, fly to the sky With Berenice's Hair ever close by Straight up above the Great Bear proud Sits in glory by the 7 star plough. Coma hides behind Spica ?? ?????? West fly Castor and Pollux Orion himself has practically gone Leaving yellow Capella the honours. Polaris lies on the Big Bear's back With Cochab, Phercad and ????????? Dubhe and Merak show us the way And the ?????? will show us the Pole -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mind Journey ============ Your Mind Journey touches others Your Mind is the way others touch you ?????????????????????????? us A chain of ideas It is capable of ????????? ??????? infinite ??????????? Your mind is Mind Journey Mind Journey is your mind We invite you to share Mind Journey with us We are Hawkwind You are out of your mind We are all together on The Mind Journey --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Techno Tropic Zone Exists ========================= Our spirits are in the future And save us from the past If there's a flame inside us Make us see the light at last Destruction of resources Nations start to bleed Pollution in the atmosphere Makes the tide recede There's motors moving down circuits of terror Smashing billboards and hairstyles and journeys too far Production workers staring through tinted shades Like crack(ed?) distributors carrying ??? ????? The army creeping in polluted searchlight fog Cracked wallpoints penetrates your ???? ???? Always standing in doorframes in tenements' ????? Techno Tropic Zone exists... ???????? planet ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??????? more ??????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ?????? every ??????? ??????? more ???????? Techno Tropic Zone exists ???????????????????????? ??????????????????????? ??????????????????????? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Revision 22/6/96 ===================== 5/4 25 Years Abducted A Day In The Office Adjust Me The Aerospaceage Inferno Alien (I Am) Angels of Death Angel Voices Are You Losing Your Mind? Arrival in Utopia Assault and Battery Astronauts The Awakening Back in the Box Back On The Streets Beam Me Up The Beast of Chaos Be Yourself Black Corridor Black Elk Speaks Blue Skin Born to Go Brainbox Pollution Brainstorm Bring It On Home Came Home The Changing Children of the Sun Choose Your Masks [2 versions] Chronicle of The Black Sword Coded Languages Coleridge On The Enterprise Confrontation Cymbaline Damage of Life Damnation Alley Damned By The Curse of Man Dangerous Visions The Dark Lords Days of the Underground Dead God's Homecoming Dealin' with the Devil Death of War Death Trap The Demented Man The Demise Disintegration Down through the Night Dragons and Fables Dragon Song Dreaming City Dream Worker D-Rider Dust of Time Dying Deas Earthed to the Ground The Earth Ritual Ejection Elric the Enchanter Elric the Enchanter Part II Experiment with Destiny [see Virgin of the World] Fable of a Failed Race Fahrenheit 451 Fall of Earth City Festivals Fifth Second of Forever The Final Fight First Landing on Medusa Flying Doctor Free Fall Gaga Gimme Shelter The Golden Void Good Evening Green Finned Demon Hades Deep Hassan I Sabha Hawkwind Heads High Rise Hi Tech Cities Horn of Destiny (Fate) Hurry On Sundown I'm Waiting For The Man Images Infinity In the Egg In the Office Into the Realms It's So Easy Jack of Shadows Joker at the Gate The Joker of the Universe Kadu Flyer Kapal Kerb Crawler Kings of Speed Land of Inspirations Levitation Lighthouse Living on a Knife Edge Looking in the Future Lord of Light Lords of Chaos Lost Chances Lost Johnny Love In Space L.S.D. Magnu Make What You Can Mark of Cain Mask of Morning Master of the Universe Messengers of Morpheus Micro Man Mirror of Illusion Moonglum Motherless Children Motorhead Motorway City Mutation Zone My Armour's Killing Me Narration I Narration II [Elric the Enchanter Pt1] Needle Gun Neon Skyline New Jerusalem Night of the Hawk Note From a Cold Planet Now is the Winter of Our Discontent Nuclear Drive Nuclear Toy Ode To A Crystal Set Ode to a Timeflower On the Case The Only Ones (Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid Orgone Accumulator Oscillations Out of the Shadows Over the Top Paradox The Phenomenon of Luminosity Processed Psi Power Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Psychosis PsychoSonia PXR5 Quark, Strangeness and Charm Rambo In Space Reefer Madness The Right Stuff Right To Decide Robot Rocky Paths Running Through the Backbrain Sadness Runs Deep The Sea King Secret Agent Seven By Seven Shot Down in the Night Silver Machine Sleep of a Thousand Tears Social Alliance Solitary Mind Games Song of the Swords Sonic Attack Space is Deep Space Travellers Spirit of the Age Sputnik Stan Standing at the Edge Star Cannibal Starflight Steppenwolf Streets of Fear Sweet Mistress of Pain Sweet Obsession Sword of the East Technicians of Spaceship Earth Ten Seconds of Forever The Timeship Will Not sail Again They've Got Your Number Time For Sale Time We Left (This World today) Transdimensional Man Treadmill TV Suicide Uncle Sam's on Mars Urban Guerilla Utopia '84 Valium Ten Virgin of the World [2 versions] Void City Waiting for Nati Waiting for Tomorrow The War I Survived Warrior on the Edge of Time Warriors Wastelands of Sleep The Watcher Watching the Grass Grow We Took the Wrong Step Web Weaver Welcome to the Future The Welcoming Hands of Space Where Are They Now? When the Going Gets Tough Who's Gonna Win the War Wings The Wizard Blew His Horn Words of a Song Xenomorph You Know You're Only Dreaming You Shouldn't Do That You'd Better Believe It Your Secret's Safe With Me Zarozinia (Unknown Track) { } indicates original lyrics not included when used on the Live Chronicles albums _________________________________________________________________________ 5/4 === I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it There's no question about it My mind is going I can feel it Oh no, my mind is going..... ________________________________________________________________________ 25 YEARS ( - Brock - ) I went to school and I studied and I got my G.C.E. My City and Guilds and my Sky Diary But it didn't do me no good They didn't like my looks I burnt my books Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by I started out one day and I worked in a factory My mind went blank I needed a battery Didn't do no good I got the sack, my work was slack They said there's life up there in the galaxy The world in collision There's people with an allergy 25 years of, 25 years of, 25 years of social research Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by 25 years, 25 years ____________________________________________________________________________ Abducted ======== On board the craft I noticed a lot of electrical ceiling lights Like the lines in the human brain. There are windows or screen areas all around the ship They're like a two-way mirror - a kind of projection place It is as if these windows creens are made of a combination of metal crystal or mirror glass I see a cloudscape or landscape on suspended plastic sheets. I noticed slanted surfaces on the tops of machines with instruments or panels. Small creatures are busily moving around. They are seated at the controls at the base of the slanted walls. Robot-like creatures with large black eyes that appear to have reptilian or insectile facial qualities. I don't have any problem facing the little ones. they are so blissful The the ugly ones scare and repulse me. It's like the lava inside the leather face skin of a hard dark scary machine. The reptile faced insect bodied robots They are being brought forth to perform specific functions... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Day In The Office =================== I pay my stamps and I pay my tax I daren't stop working and that's a fact And all I see on the TV screens Are starving kids and war machines Is this what I've been taught in school? Is education the golden rule? ___________________________________________________________________________ Adjust Me ========= City black, encase the time World full of men, who all are blind Who walk and talk and say as one: "Androids are we", heir to no son Adjust me Adjust me Adjust me..... ___________________________________________________________________________ The Aerospaceage Inferno ======================== A flight of steel eagles tearing by The ripped silk screaming of the rended sky Flame on through sound and make time fly What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Fly through the ground like a circus hound Through the burning hoop in just one bound So not even your ashes will be found What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Set the controls for the heart of the Earth The silver machine's worth more than you're worth But the phoenix soul is bound for rebirth What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno ___________________________________________________________________________ Alien (I Am) ============ "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry those messages directly to the human brain" Squatting in your bodies Microscopic breeding I sleep in you And eat from within I am The Alien We are here to help you Make the mend In the chemical bend We are The Aliens I lack emotion, have no love that I can find I want some devotion to ease a worried mind The heart is softened the soul is scorched The mind erodes away some sentimental thoughts The window cracked is closed The door slams shut The lights put out, say no more speak no less For you I become the alien I am For you I become the alien I am The cry primal is muffled The mouth seals tight The eye looks within Say no more speak no less I the alien reject your human touch This is Alien Control calling spaceship Earth Alien Control calling Earth. Are you receiving Earth? Are you receiving... We are the Aliens. We have warned you about the DANGER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANGELS OF DEATH ( - Brock - ) We're angels of life, we're angels of death We were born to blaze a nuclear way through space A way out of the waste that held the human race We're angels of life, we're angels of death We are the dead who are never led We are the warriors at the edge of time We lurk inside your brain, we hide inside your mind We're angels of life, we're angels of death We stalk the city streets to kill all we meet Nostrils flare awhile, it makes you want to smile We're born to erase, all of your days _________________________________________________________________________ Angel Voices ============ Final adjustment to timing sequences for the master control system Main engine check Proton drive unit: PDU meter reads level Linear acceleration module: LAM meter reads level Crystal absorption unit: CAU meter reads level Vector thrust module: VTM meter reads level Vector Activity: Vector activity reading is on scope at minus oh two one point seven Readjustment recommended Vector activity reading level Flight deck computer check complete Passenger module computer check: Dream Sequencing - functions activated. ____________________________________________________________________________ Are You Losing Your Mind? ========================= Watching TV. Walking down the street I realised I had a problem A big problem in my mind I had to get the problem out of my mind I realised I had a - Silicon chip In my head I had a Silicon chip In my head Ah. I'm losing my mind control I'm losing my mind Are you losing your mind? Mind control Mind control -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arrival In Utopia ================= We dreamed of golden shining towers Of lazy days and thrilling hours Fields of wonder, streets so fair Of amber ships which sailed, through the air Dreamed of steel and glass and wire Of days of wine and nights of fire Dreamt of dogs that talked like boys Of girls who flew, of unnamed joys And now our dreams are true We don't know what to do For we don't like it here There's nothing for us to fear Bored mindless in Utopia ________________________________________________________________________ ASSAULT AND BATTERY ( - Brock - ) Lives of great men all remind us We may make our lives sublime And departing leave behind us Footprints in the sands of time Of hewn stones the sacred circle Where the wizened sages sat Let us try to remember All the times where they were at. So your thoughts they were expecting Assault and battery of the human anatomy Assault and battery of the human anatomy {Man} _________________________________________________________________________ Astronauts ========== The Astronauts are here on Earth Their spaceship is an armoured car In a landscape increasingly lunar I've seen them on the Northern Sands With geiger counters in their hands Their movements slowed by gravity And bureaucratic necessity How the minds within the helmets Must be filled with sad regrets For the days of weightlessness A heady time before ballistics And falsification of field statistics Imagination leads us on It's one small step for the likes of me And yet in fickle reality The first space age has come and gone We reached a psychic barrier A hand Maybe a mirror Which told us "go no further" Besides, considerations fiscal So swiftly severed our umbilical We turned our backs on galaxies We changed NASA priorities To fit in with the military's Launching Star Wars technology Co-existent with satellite TV We follow the lead of Hollywood Tail firmly wagging the dog You and I are parasites We have the anti-Midas touch Turning everything to dust We are the poisons and disease There is no magic cure for these Boxed deposits in sea and soil Outlast Humankind itself Like cats we bury our detritus We've brought the craters back home with us And the astronauts are here on Earth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Awakening ============= I would rather the fire storms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dreams, into the starkness of the capsule. Where two of our crew still lay suspended cool in their tombs of sleep. Those nagging choirs of memory the tubes and wires worming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut Such midwifery is but one function of the leader here Floating in a sac of fluid dark A clear century of space Away from Earth While one man stirs from the trauma of his birth Attending to the hypno-tapes Assuring him that this was reality however grim Our journey's end Landing itself was nothing We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind And left a galaxy of dreams behind..... ______________________________________________________________________ Back in the Box =============== Back in the box, shut in the dark Falling apart Digging the dirt Hiding the hurt Locked in a dream What does it mean? Shut in the box Too many locks Back in the box, back in the box Back in the box, back in the box Counting down Twisting round See behind your back Counting down Twisting round See behind your back ....behind your back [ x 7 ] Locked in dreams What does it mean? Shut in a box There's too many locks Shut in a box There's too many locks Round and round Round and round and round I see you Hanging there Switch on the TV, look at the screen Money for a Rolls or a washing machine You pay your money and you pay your rent Every day it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same You look out your window and it starts to rain Someone is saying it's time to die Send us some money and I'll tell you why I pay my stamps and I pay my tax I daren't stop working and that's a fact But all I see on the TV screen Is starving kids and war machines Is this what i've been taught in school? Is education the golden rule? the golden rule the golden rule....... Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back on the Streets =================== I took a ride in an elevator, I was heading for the 99th floor In less than just a split-second later, I was standing right outside of her door She looked kinda mean on her video screen And she said "Come in and please take a seat" That's when I was Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again A businessman had said sign his contract to make you a supernova exploding star The galaxies will shake with your impact You'll make everything on Earth a bazaar Just sign on this line And drink up your wine The Universe is in for a treat That's when I'm Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Feel the concrete under my feet I'm freer than a cheetah, man Back on the Streets Again ________________________________________________________________________ Beam Me Up ========== Supernatural. Biological. Transluscent glaze. Night Spirit. The Folding Eye. Free my soul Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial. Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial Beam Me Up. I'm being beamed up. Now. "The fusion bomb was invented in 1934 but we didn't see it until 1945" Hiroshima. Nagasaki. The fusion bomb, the future bomb. Is always wrong. The neutron bomb. Monitored by the alien control satellites. We have holographic images showing the destruction of the World. I thought it was a dream but then I wasn't in bed A fractured dream Through the broken screen Projected. Injected Into my head Under the skin Inside my mind Through the golden stream of time Into my mind Through the golden stream of time I'm being beamed. Up. Now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Beast of Chaos ================== The Beast of Chaos has no shape of its own The Beast of Chaos has no identity It's form is ever changing It can be a rising tower with a thousand eyes Whose gaze can turn the world to stone It can fart a battery of sound Like cannons aimed at Heaven Belching fumes of industrious flak It swallows them at morning And spews them out at evening Wasted and pale It feeds on their time The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its change is ever forming It can pass like a flight of steel eagles With claws of fire Or trample the Earth to dust With monstrous millions of iron feet It can dehydrate the oceans with its breath It can crumple the sky with its palms It can blot out the Sun It can black out the stars The Beast of Chaos comes from nowhere And leaves nothing behind The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its form is ever changing ______________________________________________________________________ BE YOURSELF ( - Brock - ) Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me Be yourself, see yourself Try and find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself Be yourself, see yourself I can't find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me _________________________________________________________________________ BLACK CORRIDOR ( - Moorcock - ) Space is infinite, it is dark Space is neutral, it is cold Stars occupy minute areas of space They are clustered a few billion here And a few billion there As if seeking consolation in numbers Space does not care, space does not threaten Space does not comfort It does not sleep, it does not wake It does not dream It does not hope, it does not fear It does not love, it does not hate It does not encourage any of these qualities Space cannot be measured, it cannot be angered, it cannot be placated It cannot be summed up, space is there Space is not large and it is not small It does not live and it does not die It does not offer truth and neither does it lie Space is a remorseless, senseless, impersonal fact Space is the absence of time and of matter ____________________________________________________________________________ BLACK ELK SPEAKS ================ ( - Brock/Black Elk - ) Grandfather, Great Mysterious One, you have been always, and before you nothing has been. There is nothing to pray to but you. The star nations all over the universe are yours. And yours are the grasses of the earth. Day in Day out, you are the light of things. You are older than all weeds. Older than all things on Earth. Grandfather, all over the world the faces of living ones are alike. In tenderness they have come above the ground. Look upon your children with children in their arms, that they may face the winds and walk the good road to the day of quiet. Teach me to walk the soft earth, a relative to all that lives! Sweeten my heart and fill me with light. Give me the strength to understand, and the eyes to see. Help me for without you I am nothing. Hetchetu aloh! In your throat is a living song A living spirit song His name is long life maker Yes, I'm here to heal With the healing ways Of the magic of the ground And the magic of the earth So go on my friend And sing with the healing spirit With the magic of the ground With the magic of the earth You look back over your life Through the power of the words Through the magic of the ground Through the magic of the earth ________________________________________________________________________ Blue Skin ========= No ballpoint pen No type set in The ultrasonic tapping machine Take control. Takes control Issues its command Clicking and clattering into the black Indian ink of night. Heiroglyphic ancient scrawl Dot to dot I'm bleeding for you Bleeding for you My blood is blue Penetration stainless steel Surgically screened The needle machine Slice the flesh like the Teko-Teko's stare Cut statistics on my face, on my face Name, Age, Place of Birth, Race Village and tribe, Carve deeply Erase doubt as to who I am As to who I am Who I am Who I am Prick, prick, ow Transfer inscribed Images of sweet roses red Blood drips Blood drips The emporium The tattoo hole in my skin Drains the blood Pain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BORN TO GO ( - Brock - Calvert - ) We were born to go, we're never turning back We were born to go, and leave a burning track We were born to go, and leave no star unturned We were born to grow, we were born to learn We're breaking out of the shell, we're breaking free We're hatching our dreams into reality We were born to blaze a new clear way through space A way out of the maze, that held the human race We were born to go, as far as we can find We were born to go, to blow the human mind _______________________________________________________________________ BRAINBOX POLLUTION ( - Brock - ) Well my body's burning up And I'm feeling so bad And I think it must be something that I've just had Screaming sounds are buzzing through my brain Am I mad or am I sane? I can't control my body anymore It's reaching down into the very core I've gotta find a way of solving the solution Is this what they call brainbox pollution? Take my hand, I'll lead you on To learn so far, my dreams your own Is this world that we all find It's leaving us so far behind ________________________________________________________________________ BRAINSTORM ( - Turner - ) Standing on the runway waiting for takeoff, I wanna fly, wanna watch me flake off, I can't move 'cause the man has a rake off, you gotta help me, help me to shake off, This body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, This body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, This body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. I can't get no peace until I get into motion, Sign my release from this planet's erosion, Paranoia police have sussed out my potion, You gotta help me or there'll be an explosion in this body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, this body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, this body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. ______________________________________________________________________ Bring It On Home ================ Well, I bought my ticket And I got my load And the conductor yelled Now all aboard Well, I take my seat And I sit right back And I watch That train go down the tracks Said Baby I said Baby Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now _________________________________________________________________________ Came Home ========= Well I came home the other night I thought I had a bride Had a big fat momma layin' on the floor Sayin' look here daddy dun' treat me right The situation was, as I recall Lookin' pretty bad Look here Momma, you know, I say Your the bestest woman that I ever had She lay on the bed, and turned on her head I didn't know if I was 'live or dead Cause I said Momma, try some o' this stuff Well she opened her mouth and popped one in She said Oh Daddy you know what I mean I can't help nothin' but see what's on my mind __________________________________________________________________________ The Changing ============ I will adjust this thing in here.. We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you............. Now you must be me Our system's fine, we'll soon see You'll have no cause to worry now Just play your part in the show _________________________________________________________________________ CHILDREN OF THE SUN ( - Turner - Anderson - ) The golden age of the future comes That which was dreamed of in the past Where freedom reigns on minds of peace Minds rich in wisdom to the last We are the children of the sun and this is our inheritance No longer chaos and confusion But love and laughter Song and dance _________________________________________________________________________ Choose Your Masks ================= They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been left up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the form that you have chosen Can entirely fill your mind For the mask you have selected Stands for Chaos or for Law And you cannot take it off now 'til you're no longer in the War And the Masks of War are grinning And from under them you howl Out the slogans of the part you play for the Battle's starting now Choose your Masks The ranks are forming Choose your Masks The day is dawning Choose your Masks And choose the side that you'll be on And learn the words of your new song For the Battle will be long.....so long........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Choose Your Masks [incl Fight Sequence from Live Chronicles] ================= They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been lift up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the role that you have chosen Will entirely fill your mind So choose your Masks Choose the side that you'll be on Learn the words of your new song For the journey will be long Over poisoned crystal deserts Where the ruined towers shout In our mirrored flashing armour In our secret, hideous helms Death to life and Death to earth Death to fire, Death to death Death to death Death to death Death to death Death to life and death to anger Death to sadness On dead horses our dead warriors Seek the last retreats of life The last retreats of life Seek the last retreats of life _________________________________________________________________________ Chronicle of The Black Sword (Moorcock) ======================================= Now begins the tale of Elric proud prince of ruins who bore The Black Sword... Here is the Chronicle of that albino lord Who came to be called The White Wolf Who was called The Kinslayer Who was called Womanslayer Who was doomed to be torn between Chaos and Law Who was born to be the pawn of the Cosmic Balance Who was at once, more his own master than any who had lived before And was at the same time slave to bloodshed, cruelty, and war Listen, listen now.... Listen to the tale of how the White Wolf came by his Weird Listen to how Elric earned The Bane of The Black Sword Elric of Melnibone The Sailor on the Seas of Fate Elric Who battled to bring about the End Of Time Elric Who bore the sentient sword Stormbringer And who killed the only two mortal women he ever loved This is his sad, his terrible Aye, and his heroic Saga The Saga men call The Chronicle of The Black Sword..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Coded Languages (Bainbridge, Moorcock) --------------- Investigate the meaning of your sentence What is it telling you ? Where does it begin and where does it end ? Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders What do they want from you ? A rendezvous upon the sound The cars rev up the word goes round Their words are weapons of their will Their words can hurt Their words can kill A burning phrase can burn a town A syllable can bring you down Their languages are coded Your image is eroded Listen to the sound you heard Learn to fight against their word Vocabularies of death Destruction in their breath They use the lie They use the myth Seek only to confuse And liberty abuse The lies they tell are pretty And blow up another city They steal away your freedom And your love Their sentimental calling signs Are calculatingly designed To rob you of your mind and time And still you listen to The lulling drone of reassuring voices Tunes to take away your choices Make you slaves to fancy words and phrases Until you're pushing up the daisies They steal away your freedom and your love _________________________________________________________________________ Coleridge On The Enterprise =========================== One day the Vulcan dropped some speed And from his post on the battered bridge Proclaimed "My dear Captain Coleridge It seems to me that what we need Is less astrophysics And more metaphysics I've heard the music of the spheres And now my captain it appears The true space is between my ears." Such sentiments overturned the common notion That he was pure science without emotion And when our destiny loomed on the screen - Lush Xanadu the final goal - Our Vulcan had become a human being, Had switched off the computer in his soul, And somewhat softened his heart of granite To be so thrilled by landfall on the planet And I am the captain of this ship And I am very happy. This Captain's Log reminds me of how once we were Moral adventurers in a decadent universe Crusading for freedom By stamping out content Boldly going Boldly doing On our warped way we went. Enterprising sentinels Crashing through the asteroid belts Offering help and death knells To settlers, aliens, and infidels But now our starry fighter is disarmed, The Sun is warm The herbs have our heads encharmed. Life is an ion storm And I a spacefaring mariner becalmed Endlessly circling the jolly green planet Bereft of all logistical logic And I am the captain of the ship And I am very happy There's no right in might or imposing force And freedom is the albatross. Now sensual bliss Is our greatest wish No matter how we attain it In this swiftly decaying orbit. So we're beaming down to the jolly green giant And I am the captain of this ship And I am very happy The grass it grows between my toes The roots twirl round my feet The galaxies are opium seeds As rhyme and reason leaks through my cerebral sieve I start to question all I once believed Like the glorious Fundamentals of Apha Three And the valiant Constitution of the U.S.A. In fact I've lost all interest in fair play I'd rather sit and smoke and toke all day. So I offer a V-sign to the Federation 'cause I'm not shooting up to the Constellation But to complete sensory satiation, Beaming down to the jolly green planet, Pressing the pause button on this transcript... And I am the captain of the ship And I am very happy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Confrontation ============= I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY During 1985 the activities of alternative groups such as the "Peace Convoy" posed a number of serious public order problems for the Police. In particular a violent confrontation took place at Hardcastle, Wiltshire on Sunday 1st June when a convoy of 170 vehicles was being driven towards Stonehenge at the time of the summer solstice celebrations, in clear defiance of injunctions which were in force. When the hippies were stopped, by a roadblock, from proceeding further, they entered a nearby village where a violent confrontation with the Police took place and 420 persons were arrested. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY "It is clear to me that the problem is not going to go away. Nor do I believe it is going to be solved by the approach of `Shoot them, gas them, and send them back to the cities where they came from.'" ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND USED IN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU _____________________________________________________________________________ Cymbaline ========= The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high Ravens are all watching from a vantage point nearby Apprehension creeping like a tubetrain up your spine Will the tightrope reach the end? Will the final couplet rhyme? And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time Cymbaline Please wake me. Butterfly with broken wings has fallen by your side Ravens all are closing in, there's nowhere you can hide Your manager and agent are both busy on the phone Selling coloured photographs to magazines back home And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline. Please wake me. Lines converging waves and they must have moved the picture frame Leaves are heavy round your feet, you hear the thunder of the train Suddenly it strikes you that they're moving into range And Dr. Strange is always changing sides And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline Please wake me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Damage of Life ============== I wander around the streets so lonely and empty Lost in a crowd, but I can't hide Is there a place where I can escape to? A desert island where I can die The Damage of Life is never ending There's no escape and we can't hide Maybe our time is up, but we don't want to Face up to facts, but live this lie Can't you see the pain tattooed on faces Cracks appearing on a broken plate Mirror, Oh Mirror is there any answer? But the mirror drops smashing our fate __________________________________________________________________________ DAMNATION ALLEY ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) I've got the serum and I'm going to take it All the way to Boston, oh I've got to get through The going won't be easy, but I'm going to make it It's the only thing that I'm cut out to do Ride the post-atomic radioactive trash The sky's on fire from that nuclear flash Diving through the burning hoop of doom in an eight wheeled anti-radiation tomb Thank you Dr. Strangelove for going do-lally and leaving me the heritage of Damnation Alley, Damnation Alleyway No more Arizona, now Phoenix is fried up Oklahoma City what a pity it's gone Louisiana delta where the Mississip's dried up No more Chatanooga, Cherokee, Lexington Radiation wasteland, radiation wasteland Ashes coming at me now, craters coming at me now Radiation wasteland, I've got my anti-radiation machine Thank you Dr. Strangelove, I said thank you Dr. Strangelove For giving me the ashes and post-atomic dust The sky is raining fishes it's a mutation zoo Going down Damnation Alley, well good luck to you Good luck to you now Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Going down Damnation Alley it's one hell of a mess ___________________________________________________________________________ Damned By The Curse of Man ========================== We have despoiled our land and our women are dishonoured With our weapons we have melted every gateway to salvation We thought ourselves safe in our armour and our masks And so we saved ourselves, it's true, for our damnation We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We refused to hear the outrage of reason's daughters The anger of unwarlike sons which crossed our waters The pleadings of the innocents, the moral arguments To moderation, generosity, kindness and consent We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We raised a genocidal flag, imperial and boastful flag Raised a standard of contempt, and mounted on a boney nag, Became the herald of apocalypse, the enemies of women; The vicious harvesters of souls; Death's chuckling children We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man........ In our warlike swaggering and our childish rage We robbed ourselves of liberty, and built the cage In which we're hemmed, condemned, forever damned For violence is the curse of man And now we're damned by the curse of man Forever damned by the curse of man The curse of man...... _________________________________________________________________________ Dangerous Visions ================= Night sky on city Keeps us in Life signs of pity weep with sin Games of reality are hard to win The child of the Third World looks so thin Dangerous visions, taunt me Ancient memories, haunt me Future decisions, confuse me The story so far just eludes me The man on the pavement catches your eye You look in amazement, he's decided to die The crowd have engagements, they're just passing by The child of the Third World, is wondering why ________________________________________________________________________ The Dark Lords ============== I have turned Zarozinia into a giant slug, Elric You will no longer mate with woman like her We will have the Sword from you Elric One way or the other, it makes no difference Look at him scurry backwards and forwards The poor little wretch does not know which way to turn Ah we've really got him this time. Zarozinia has been turned into a worm, ha, a slithering worm Your spells are no good now You will give us Stormbringer Go on Elric, look in your Law books, You will find that we are right You will find that you have to give it to us _____________________________________________________________________________ DAYS OF THE UNDERGROUND ( - Brock - Calvert - Shaw - ) In visions of acid we saw through delusion and brainbox pollution, we knew we were right. The streets were our oyster, we smoked urban poison and we turned all this noise on, we knew how to fight. We dropped out and tuned in, spoke secret jargon and we would not bargain for what we had found in the days of the underground. We believed in Guevera, we saw that head held up and our anger welled up, but we kept it cool. No need for machine guns 'cause the system was crumbling, our leaders were fumbling, while we broke every rule. We saw them on T.V. they'd blown their cover and we tried to smother their voices with sound, in the days of the underground. Whatever happened to those chromium heroes, are there none of them still left around, since the days of the underground? Now we can look back at the heroes we were then, we made quite a stir with our sonic attack, street-fighting dancers, the assassins of silence, with make-believe violence, on a hundred watt stack. They offered us contracts, we said "we don't need 'em", we'll just take our freedom and will not be bound in the days of the underground. And some of us made it but not smiling Michael, his black motorcycle got eaten by rust. And John the Bog dreamt that he slept at the wheel, but when he woke it was real, too late to have sussed. And Jeff was a poet who wrote with a spray can on walls, saying "Hey man, I believe that we've drowned" in the days of the underground. __________________________________________________________________________ Dead God's Homecoming (Moorcock) ================================ You raise your eyes to the howling sky Raise your sword to the haunted Moon You raise your voice in a battle cry And you raise your shield You raise your shield Against unholy doom For they shan't possess your will's control Shall not enslave your mortal soul And won't divert you from your goal Though dark war rules from pole to pole You are the Lord of Ruins Albino Prince of Ruins And your sins shall save the world Beyond the ocean brews a battle Beyond the battle blood shall fall If Elric's kinsman ventures with him (Bearing a twin of that which he bears) To a place where man-forsaken Dwells the one who should not live There's a bargain to be entered.... Elric's wife shall be restored Elric's wife shall be restored -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dealing with the Devil ====================== Now, my baby got excited about a little ring But our marriage didn't mean a thing I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't love me no more I got the meanest woman man has ever seen She sleeps with a knife in her hand Lord, she fights all in her dreams I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more Now I ain't going down ain't by myself If I can't take you girl, I'll take someone else I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Death of War ============ Ebbing eyesight in chlorine clouds stealing away barbed wire shrouds mowed down in mud by machine gun fire trapped and strangled in barbed wire silent nights smashed as big guns fill bodies full of shrapnel in their crusade to kill Far away, politicians, glasses of port meet in a toast to a war they've not fought Holy fire directed and idly discussed manufacturing hatred, engineering distrust trading clarity for confusion, the ruthless powerlust. Only one thing in common do leaders share with those on the battlefield fallen down everywhere and that is their wine, has good body and it is red draining away forever like the blood of those dead. ________________________________________________________________________ DEATH TRAP ( - Brock - Calvert - ) In the back of my neck I can feel a strange sensation Feels like I'm heading for the crisis of all creation Only those with death wish understand my situation Feels like Jesus Christ heading for the stations of the cross, in my death trap, death trap Running in my death trap, death trap Chicken running in my death trap, death trap Cruising for the crossroads of fiery crucifixion Lighting up the night sky with bitterness distinction While I hold the wheel of fate, smell of burning friction I feel like a hero heading for extinction It's the shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down Crank shaft cracking up Oil pressure going down Brake drums blowing out Tyres on fire now Differential seize up, unbalanced cam shaft Worn out pistons rings, brake fade, brake fade hydraulic leak out, radiator overheat Monkey on elastic, going up and down Shell of steel or plastic, turning round Shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down __________________________________________________________________________ THE DEMENTED MAN ( - Brock - ) The questions asked but never known, The feeling, god knows which way you'll go Endless circles on my mind spiralling a downward climb Which way I'll go. The thoughts are there for you to find, but you never know which way you'll go Those flashing lights are warning me But ever bidding voices see You're caught in a web of emptiness The tales told the path you tread Does it lead into your head? Or back to a world of emptiness? Smiling faces watching me Helping hands just wait and see Which way I'll go White walls stretching in the sun Was it here that I began? Which way I'll go Faintly voices plead with me, ever asking ever see which way I'll go. _____________________________________________________________________________ THE DEMISE (see Lords of Chaos) Arioch I summon thee Lord of the Seven Darks Arioch I summon thee Put fire in my heart Arioch I summon thee Can you hear my plea Arioch I summon thee In my hour of need - I am here. What dost thou wishest? _________________________________________________________________________ Disintegration (Brock) -------------- Is this the time gone before Is this the way ? No I'm not sure Can I stop is it too late Is this the place where I disintegrate _________________________________________________________________________ DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT ( - Brock - ) Down down and down, down down and down As we spin through the night With ever increasing might Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound Into the blackness we drown Round round and round, round round and round As we lay in our sleep The appointment we keep Down down and down, down down and down Only the rushing is heard Onward flies the bird Deep, deep, and deep, must we sink in our sleep Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound _________________________________________________________________________ Dragons and Fables ================== I am the child of wars never won Take heed prisoner, I am the One Your battle is over before it's began For a child on the run, I am free Many tournaments fought in this land Flying banners now dashed in the sand The colours you wear will not keep me For a child on the run, I am free The courts and knights of the table Bold stories of dragons and fables Your sword is red-stained I can see For a child on the run, I am free Silks, satins, riches in plenty Acres of land, four and twenty I am not you, I am me For a child on the run, I am free ______________________________________________________________________ Dragon Song (Moorcock) ====================== In a time before this time Those ancient gods of mine and thine Proclaimed our twin fates intertwined And named our day of destiny Calling all to come and feast To witness blood of man and beast Intermingled West to East North to South and sea to sea Mortal shall have dragon kin Share blood in virtue and in sin 'gainst common enemies shall win And ever bound in twain shall be! Now dragons wake to dragon's flight Drahon beauty, dragon bright Rise in vengeance, soar to fight Dragons roar fills up the night Firedrake's form blots out the Moon Dragons rise from sleeping grave When brothers sing the dragons tune Echoing through the dragon's cave Dragon singer, dragon cry Dragon rider mounts the sky Dragon brother, legends fame Hear me call the dragon names: Flamefang! Hornblow! Rainbow Wing! 'Tis time we heard the dragons sing Spiketail! Sharpclaw! Snout-On-Fire! Create our enemies' funeral pyre Steelcrest! Blackscale! Golden Bone! Rise to defend the Dragon Throne {Dragon steed bears dragon kin Towards the howling battle din Dragon rider's cry is wild Dragon mother, dragon child Dragons' wings unfolded wide Aloft now spreads the dragon tide Dragons dive and dragons sear Bring the death which all men fear For Death is now the dragon's bride Upward now the dragons spear Higher where the air is clear Above the clouds, close to the Sun Dragon brothers, we are one! Dragons kill and dragons slay Dragons fly towards the fray Pay the price all dragons pay For victory brings our funeral day!} --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dreaming City ============= Gleaming towers that touch the sky Ancient turrets catch the eye You stand so proud Coloured walls that shine so bright A monument to truth and light You carry on Yet fate is working fast to bring you down Peopled by a master race But living lives so cruel, so base Unconquered souls Their master knows not how to rule Dark forces use him as their tool He carries on And fate is working fast to bring him down Dreaming City your light is fading Amidst the chaos that now is reigning Uncaring beings come soon to raze Your tall, fair towers to set ablaze So fate is working fast to bring you down _____________________________________________________________________ Dream Worker ============ I have come. But I do not choose now, to do what I came to do. Navigation Computer report: Orbital status now maintained. Target zone vectors logged in. The Tube is now ready. Please swallow your blue Dreamer and place the helmet on your head. Can you hear the lights approaching? There's a sudden rush of sound You laugh but no-one's joking The Dreamer's turned you round And now there's no distraction You've slipped the noose of fate Your dreams are now in colour You've reached your future state You've reached your future state You've reached your future state...... ________________________________________________________________________ D-RIDER ======= We're children playing in the sun A sense of freedom on the run We never knew what time it was We just knew how sublime it was Our course determined by our stars My momma knows just where we are The Earth was forming from below A dragon showed which way to go Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Turning up by burning out Lifting off and gazing in Our luck, it changes with the tide Our constellations changing side Macro mirror-image fades Our over-conscience colour shades We're astral-planing, floating free On our continuum frequency A ring was formed out of the stone Metamorphose, tetraform Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, by phasing in Turning up by burning out Lifting off and gazing in ________________________________________________________________________ DUST OF TIME ( - Brock - Bainbridge - Lloyd-Langton - ) Waiting in the valley of all creation Calling out a song for the state of the nation I am son born of father never related Frozen in a bank of ice essence liberated Looking from the future into the past Footprints of awareness approaching so fast Queues of sterile mothers waiting for inspection Populace diminished everywhere there is rejection Dust of time caught in your eye A fleeting glimpse gone in a sigh __________________________________________________________________________ Dying Seas ========== We've flotsam been, and the jetsam In highness being, gonna get some On the water walking, it's easy to be Centralised we to infinity For oursel'n only have we to thank If fool enow are we to walk the plank Eternity to spend in mime Drowning in the dying seas of time With galleon astral sailes set And with the tide we'll sail ayet By light propelled, Karma our guide The shores spatial pass we beside Past rotting hulks of culture drifting Lost souls ghostly trawlnets lifting Themselves against which have made crime Drowning in the dying seas of time ________________________________________________________________________ Earthed to the Ground ===================== Delicate, slimline, sturdy wood Got my hi-fi, as I should Video cassette is what I need Record my favourite programs on TV Separate slider, tone control Extra speaker with bass and roll Audio spectrum, sonic swirl Computer next with buttons to twirl Super giant TV screen Then a camera to take pictures of me I get my girlfriend to come round To freak her out with raucus sounds My automatic camera then will spy As on the bed now we would lie Educational programmes flash on the screen Where moments before, we had been I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground.... I have good news A Prince has been born and some say he will be King. I told them it was a boy instead of telling them the truth that it was a girl. Only a few people know Let me propose a toast to Silverland and its new King (laughter). ___________________________________________________________________________ The Earth Ritual (Moorcock) =========================== We bring you the ritual of the ravaged Earth For we are all the Children of the Mother Sea We bring the rites of the reign of fire We are the Lords of Hunger The Ladies of Pain The weeping victims of our ruined brains And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the oracle of the nuclear night Heralds and explorers of eternal ice We are the acolytes of your hidden flame Guardians of the dead; no longer sane We are the ghosts of that lifeless, nuclear night And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the Lost The Last We are the half-blind We are the Warriors at the End Of Time Ravenous and white in perpetual freezing night We are the Daughters of the Moon Sons of the Ice And we're standing on the very Edge of Time And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time It is cold and hopeless at the End of Time You grow hard of heart and lose your sign To your Rites of Earth, and soul, and mind Too weak to protest at their martial crimes To cry out for your rights, to hold the line... It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love Demand your rights to air, and earth, and fire Demand your rights so all shall share Or stand forever lonely on the Edge of Time Freeze forever at the Edge of Time For it is cold, so cold, at the Edge of Time It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ejection ======== There's only one course of action Left for me to take I've tried every switch selection That might control this state I think for my protection I better make it straight Into Ejection Better tell Base Ejection That I think it's a case For Ejection Explode into Space Ejection Protect my Face Ejection The radar screen's projection Tells me I'm too late To make a course correction I'm about to meet my fate No time for reflection I'd better make it straight Into Ejection Bust through the sky Ejection The air rushing by Ejection It's a case of goodbye Ejection I'm too fast to die Ejection When a ship meets with destruction The Captain stays to drown But no tin contraption Is going to drag me down My reference intersection Tells me that I'm bound For Ejection Eight times my weight Ejection I've got to escape Ejection Only one move to make Ejection Abandon this crate Ejection __________________________________________________________________________ ELRIC THE ENCHANTER The song he sang was surfaces Nothing deeper than a child knows He could sing sand into pearls So the saying goes Some said he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The dream will soon turn sour Sprawling in a Ruby Throne Head cupped in his hands The lord of dragons, Elric's thoughts Were of quests to far off lands A black sword was at his side Murmuring in its scabbard cold Waiting for the moment to arrive To drink the very essence of soul He did not know that the sword he'd hold Would turn his priceless empire into fool's gold The truth, the shadow of the sword will hide Til it's too late, a traitor at his side And as he gazes from his ruby throne He's growing restless of the life he's sown To get away, embark on a quest And put his powers of sorcery to the test The drugs he takes to keep himself awake Lose their effect, he can no longer wait To find the sword and gain more power And make his move before the dream turns sour _________________________________________________________________________ Elric the Enchanter Part II [from Live Chronicles] =================================================== He did not know that the sword he'd hold Would turn his priceless empire into fool's gold The truth, the shadow of the sword will hide Til it's too late, a traitor at his side And as he gazes from his ruby throne He's growing restless of the life he's sown To get away, embark on a quest And put his powers of sorcery to the test The drugs he takes to keep himself awake Lose their effect, he can no longer wait To find the sword and gain more power And make his move before the dream turns sour __________________________________________________________________________ FABLE OF A FAILED RACE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Our legends tell we came from a seed That travelled at a whirlwind speed 'Til it came to rest upon this land That once was green and is now all sand That buried us up to our eyes And made us watchers of the skies 'Til the shadow wings came for our sight And left us to conspire with night. __________________________________________________________________________ Fahrenheit 451 ============== In Lexington they're going to burn The Library of Congress for charity Round it's funeral pyre the flames will churn As night and winter's darkness spurn And threaten with their clarity See the flames they're burning up Burning so bright, Fahrenheit Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Oh see the pages all catching fire See the building shimmering now It was like this when witches reared Against the stake, we stood and peered At such Aladin's caves of air Oh I wish you could have seen us there Spreading all around that funeral pyre Watching the flames burn higher and higher Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The burning has just begun It's like a mushroom cloud on a sun Fahrenheit 451 The fire's fierce theatre draws herds of folk All willing to be hypnotised Anemones of flames and smoke Enchant us so we gladly choke Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 ________________________________________________________________________ Fall of Earth City ================== News had drifted on the wind of many minds that this was to be an occasion of great importance. For it was said by some that Earth City had somehow uncovered a single time sleeper from the time before. Although the cryptic writings upon his tomb were now faded beyond decipherable reading, it was said, by the disembodied members of the ruling kind, that the entombed was from the time on Earth before the city stretched its metal web from pole to pole leaving green things only in the wells of immortal minds. Upon the third revolution after its arrival, the tomb that slept without life was removed for inspection. The day was programmed for a clear dome above, with a mild breeze wafting from the central weather post. Below, throngs of class three occupants were gathering from various sectors to observe the opening. As per standard procedure, their data input stations were fed appropriate propaganda so that their reports would coincide with what the rulers had predetermined. And so it was upon that day of opening, his spirit did appear and confuse once again. It was evident to all that what lay within was not of mortal composure. Thoughts emanating from deep within its dimensionless cave conveyed this belief to all within the medi-dome. What is this apparition now amongst our kind? Quickly thereafter, all pressure was released from within the stillness. Earth City, unknowingly at that time, was about to enter a new phase of its existence. Violent quaking began to shake the towers of sector 63. Manifestations of melting spead its wings over the structure until once again, ancient soil kissed the sky. And the beginning of the end swept all that was into its eternal grasp. __________________________________________________________________________ Festivals ========= The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIFTH SECOND OF FOREVER ( - Brock - ) There's a circle on a paper High a planet in the sky >From the dust which will not settle Hours is the time you lie Trace your finger in the cluster, you've found the cause which is called must Remember always you are nothing, though others say that you must suss, you must trust the new messiah ________________________________________________________________________ The Final Fight (Moorcock) =============== Ships of Chaos upwards churning >From the nightmare realms below Dragons downwards, venom burning Now attack the malformed foe Lords of Hell, all pity spurning Cry "Revenge" and lust for death Their servant Elric's mind is turning To sweet Law's promises of rest Monstrous men and manlike monsters Battle for the end of time Meanwhile heavy metal songsters Cut themselves another line... Speed now! Speed to war and horror Speed to battle - Speed to die Hasten, for there's no tomorrow The future's merely another lie Dragons sigh and dragons soaring Marshall for their Final Fight Chaos creatures in torment roaring Seek the rule of Earth's old night. Dragon brothers onward fly Chaos summons all her might Dragon Lord is coming nigh Come to fight the Final Fight Come to fight the Final Fight ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First Landing on Medusa ======================= Full Waking took us days to realise Adjusting to the newness of our eyes We stayed inside, performing simple tasks Hardly speaking, faces set like masks Until the time came round for us to set The first feet on this world, to get our samples, and erect the instruments A barren planet, but to all intents Another Eden opening its gates For this chosen few who'd outslept their fates Anonymous, identical in our suits We entered the airlock. My weighted boots would be the first to touch this unknown stone I led some distance, then, I felt alone So I turned and saw, that the others were standing still, I radio'd to make them stir but got no answer. So I waved my arm But they still stood as though a stoning charm had taken hold. I made my slow way back And found each man had frozen in his track I hammered my gloved fist on visor-plate And pulled at pressure-padded arms. A state of utter trance had overtaken all my men My mouth felt dry, my fingers stiff, and then..... _________________________________________________________________________ FLYING DOCTOR ( - Calvert - Brock - ) He sneaks through the door of the surgery He's got the drug cabinet key, he did something funny and tied up his arm It's just the flying doctor, no cause for alarm He sprinkled out a powder, and spread out a line He sniffed it up his nostrils, and he's feeling so fine Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying His receptionist saw him, it certainly shocked her She said "Look out, you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor" Out in the outback there's been an outbreak And the Flying Doctor's got nothing to take He went to the cabinet and the cabinet was bare His eyes dilated and you can see by his stare Called up his base on the radio, he said "My supplies are running low" They're running low you can see where they go. They're running low I see where they go Out in the outback with my merciful claptrap Look out you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor He's got the cabinet key, the cabinet key, the cabinet key "This is the Flying Doctor calling Wallaralla base. Wallaralla base come in please. I want to talk to you about my drugs situation.. My drug supply is getting rather tight.. About as tight as a kangaroo's khyber, I'd say. Cabinet key Wake up one, two, three, four A Sheila in the bush by a Coolibah tree needing an urgent appendectomy The Flying Doctor like a true Australian, performed the operation with a soldering can, he made a rough incision and tried to chew it out, he had no anaesthetic So she started to shout, she started to shout. When he was chewing it out. She started to shout and tried to chew him right out, balled up his fist and scientifically socked her Look out you'd better duck. Here comes the Flying Doctor. Cabinet key, cabinet key, cabinet key... ________________________________________________________________________ FREE FALL ( - Calvert - Bainbridge - ) Before you jump you wear the frown of someone who is stalling There's no up there's only down The other fear of falling All you need to do is take One step into the sky Give yourself to gravity Give death another try In free fall, free fall The wind'll take your frightened face And force your mouth to smile While destiny is on your case The gods look up your file The clouds are coming at you Like a host of angels wings For thirty seconds of freedom squared You've cut the puppet strings In free fall, free fall __________________________________________________________________________ Gaga ==== This is a time for shutters Dark space beckons And there is no day or night There is no where or when There is no now or then Though this may be the beginning Or this could be the end The Watcher only knows This is the mental liftoff This is the Countdown that is called This is Hawkwind --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GIMME SHELTER [Hawkwind & Samantha Fox charity CD] ============= Oh, a storm is threat'ning My very life today. If I don't get some shelter Yeah, I'm gonna fade away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. See the fire is sweeping Our very street today. Burns like a red coal carpet Mad bull lost its way. Rape and murder, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Rape, rape and murder, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Hmmmm, the flood is threatening My very life today Gimme, gimme shelter Or I'm gonna fade awau War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away I tell you love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love, love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love, love brother, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Kiss away, kiss away It's just a kiss away Kiss away, kiss away It's just a kiss away -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE GOLDEN VOID ( - Brock - ) The golden void speaks to me denying my reality I lose my body, lose my mind, I blow like wind, flow like wine Down a corridor of flame, will I fly so high again Is there something wrong with me, I cannot hear, I cannot see Down a corridor of flame So you think the time is past, the life you lead will always last Chaotic fusions of your soul, down below that rocky knowle Through the clouds an open sky, the wind flows through your watering eyes The sounds are pitched to draw you on your never ending journey on The edge of time, the edge of time, the edge of time _________________________________________________________________________ GOOD EVENING Good Evening Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" (eight times) Just cause it has been ?easy? __________________________________________________________________________ Green Finned Demon: =================== He Draws the moon towards him With a wand of whales' bone The submarine magician is returning to his home His slow hair floats around him And his cloak spreads like a flower The submariner has the oceans in his power Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down He speaks the bubbing language Of everything that swims He knows the eightfold secret Of the Octopus's limbs His skin is silver scales And his hair is green as weed His eyes are phosphorescent A sea-horse for his steed Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down Captain Nemo knew him In his underwater deep He understands the meaning Of the dolphins' joyful leap Green finned demon take me down ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hades Deep ========== Quick! Somebody help me! This man is dying! Beware you slithering slime of earth You shall return to the time of birth We shall destroy your civil globe Slice apart your left ear lobe We'll tie your tongue of deceit into a knot Melt you down to liquid snot Hair will burn from the Acid Rain While we'll now surgivally remove your brain We'll feast upon your kind at will And your babies we shall kill You mother will die a hideous death Your father will burn from our fire breath We are the dark lords of hades deep It's here your filthy soul will keep You'll burn forever in the pit of hate For to suffer in Hades' your fate ___________________________________________________________________________ Hassan I Sabha ============== Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashishin Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Death unto all infidels, in oil Guide us o thou genie of the smoke Lead us to a thousand and one nights In the perfumed gardens of delight Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petrol-D'allah Petrol-D'allah Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petro-dollar It is written In the soul of the desert It is written In the signs in the stars It is written In the sands of the hour-glass It is written It is written In the eye of the falcon It is written In the shade of the scorpion It is written In the wealth of the sun It is written It is written That man's truth is a mirage It is written That death's an oasis It is written For all unbelievers It is written _________________________________________________________________________ Hawkwind (Dumpy's Rusty Nuts with Dave Brock) ============================================= And in the fullness of time, The Prophecy must be fullfilled. The Hawklords return to smite the land and the Dark Forces shall be scourged. Peace shall come to everyone, for is it not written that the sword is the key to Heaven and Hell. It's eighteen years since they were formed >From the land of thought where they were spawned The realm of the Hawk is soon to show Silver wings for you to go Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine To save you for the Sonic Attack The Angels of Light take you back To Utopia where thinking's a crime So you can be in paradise Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine Adjust me, adjust me, adjust me, adjust me In search of space the sundown came The runways laid in your brain Storm into the dark of light 451 Fahrenheit Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine _________________________________________________________________________ HEADS ===== Limits of the infinite Have never been defined A spirit lies in atrophy In a state to late to unwind Trophies on the back shelves Procreating all our race Ideals of our fantasies On which all things are based Collecting every prospect Running through your tests With manikin expressions They end up like the rest In glass booths they're wired With needles in their flesh They're pickled for posterity And eternally refreshed So link yourself to others Talk yourself to sleep It's all so superficial No use for you to weep (seven times) So place your trust in science For it has come so far Well, Necromancy lives forever Preserved within a jar (repeat six more times) ___________________________________________________________________________ High Rise ========= Flat block Of two dimensions Neon tote board to the sky Keeping scores of people stacked up so high Above the ground But all they can hear is the sound Of the wind in the antennae It's a human zoo A suicide machine Childhood Of concrete cube shaped A flypaper stuck with human life Caged up rage Swarming all the time Tear out the telephones Rip up the pages of directories And wreck all these High speed lifts and elevators Be a sabotage rebel without applause High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block Starfish Of human blood shape Tentacles of human gore Spread out on the pavement from the 99th floor Well somebody said that he jumped But we know he was pushed He was just like you might have been On the 99th floor of a suicide machine High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block ____________________________________________________________________________ Hi Tech Cities ============== Country people always exist Where there's no telly And no place to get pissed The crops they have sown Have had a bad year Their children will starve And live in fear Ordered patterns Never random Cubicle dwellers Live in cellars Hi Tech Cities Such a pity Life is sterile Never gritty Originality Is there no goal? Be the same Is their logo Minds on a circuit With Big Brother All thoughts are common There is no other No air to breathe The masses seethe In occupations, manipulations All your movements are on the file This we say "don't chance to smile" _______________________________________________________________________ HORN OF FATE (DESTINY) Yet year on year the greedy tide Swelled from the west unsatisfied And ever with impatient fret Gnawed at the human banquet And many with madness in their eyes Stared gibbering at the white hot skies Where foul birds circled overhead Shadowing the living and the dead Southward to where the blood red sun Sickens at noon in vapours dun He stumbles with the fear-tamed herds Of savage beasts While homeless birds fly overhead Southward, southward, southward _________________________________________________________________________ HURRY ON SUNDOWN ( - Brock - ) Well hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Well it may bring war Any old thing Well look into your mind's eye See what you can see There's hundreds of people like you and me. _________________________________________________________________________ I'm Waiting For The Man ======================= (Lou Reed) I'm waiting for my man Twenty-six dollars in my hand Up to Lexington, 125 Feel sick and dirty, more dead than alive I'm waiting for my man Hey, white boy, what you doin' uptown? Hey, white boy, you chasin' our women around? Oh pardon me sir, it's the furthest from my mind I'm just lookin' for a dear, dear friend of mine I'm waiting for my man Here he comes, he's all dressed in black Beat up shoes and a big straw hat He's never early, he's always late First thing you learn is you always gotta wait I'm waiting for my man Up to a Brownstone, up three flights of stairs Everybody's pinned you, but nobody cares He's got the works, gives you sweet taste Ah then you gotta split because you got no time to waste I'm waiting for my man Baby don't you holler, darlin' don't you bawl and shout I'm feeling good, you know I'm gonna work it on out I'm feeling good, I'm feeling oh so fine Until tomorrow, but that's just some other time I'm waiting for my man -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMAGES ====== ( - Brock/Davey/Wishart - ) Memories surround him Walking through the door Smells of dust and summer heat Embroidering his thoughts The seeing hand The face of fate The shifting scenes I can't explain The crazy fool who screams his pain As he tries to cheat life's final game Whispering from the balcony Lingers in the hall The well worn path of mortality Appearing here once more It's gone now It's gone now Twist the soul Turn Flesh to stone The fear and the anger Of the lost and alone Endless dreams of wasted days Slowly fade away Laughter echoes glittering There's no need to stay __________________________________________________________________________ INFINITY ( - Calvert - Brock - ) I used to be of human kind, I had a life to lead But now I'm frozen in a dream My life is lost it seems She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity Infinity so beautiful Has turned my soul to ice And crystallized eternity For all my future time She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity I met her in a forest glade Where starbeams grew like trees I did not take her for a witch She wasn't what she seemed She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity She led me to a palace gate With constellation towers She is the keeper of my fate I sleep locked in her powers She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity _______________________________________________________________________ In the Egg ========== We live in the Egg We live in the Egg We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings and the christian names of our enemies We are being hatched Whoever is hatching us is hatching our pencils as well Set free from the Egg one day, at once we shall draw a picture of whoever is hatching us We assume that we're being hatched We imagine some good natured fowl and write school essays about the colour and creed of the hen that is hatching us When shall we break the shell? Our prophets inside the Egg, for a middling salary, argue about the period of incubation The posit a day called "X" Out of boredom and genuine need, we have invented incubators We are much concerned about our offspring inside the Egg We should be glad to recommend our patent to whom looks after us But we have a room full of hardheads, senile chimps, polyglot embryos chatter all day and even discuss their dreams But what if we're not being hatched? What if the shell will never break, if the horizon is only that of our scribbles, and always will be? We hope that we're being hatched Even if we only talk of hatching there remains the fear that someone outside the shell will feel hungry and crack us into the frying pan with a pinch of salt What then my brethren inside the Egg? _________________________________________________________________________ In the Office ============= I am so distant And so cold I've lived too long And I'm so old I've tried so many distant ways I've watched each one of them delayed I can't expound for the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march Mirrored shades of the Patriarch Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to the computer screens Fingers raised - "must finish the scene" Techno Tropic Zone exists Within these walls we can't resist _____________________________________________________________________ Into the Realms =============== Long ago these un-neutered skies Told our race a tortured lie The winds had borne them across the land Their existence still dust in our hands Our voices cackled in their ears Could not abate all of their fears The seas had frothed and flashed to steam Their flesh was scalded for one human's dream A human's dream A human's dream ________________________________________________________________________ IT'S SO EASY ( - Brock - ) Try to understand it, though it's very hard to see The reason that we are living, no longer seems to be Revolution's coming the chaos will soon end We've reached the age of learning You'll see it in the end. It's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy To say what you say, do what you want It happened today no matter what They say this world's so mixed up everywhere you go Everywhere you go, everywhere you go, everywhere you go _________________________________________________________________________ Jack of Shadows =============== Jack of Shadows, nocturnal outlaw Daemon of darkness, brother to the night Jack of Shadows, what's he hanging out for? King of the dimensions, the other side of light And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, cloak of constellations Draped around his body, blanking out his face Jack of Shadows, don't believe in God, he steals from the future, fades without a trace And when the flames flare Flickering forms of velvet dark He plays his games there It's only Jack of Shadows, he's lit up by a spark To run into the umbra , as fast as a shark Jack of Shadows, ultravoilet eyesight Giving him the vision that cats-eye infrared Jack of Shadows, watch him as he flies right Through all of the umbras, quicker than the dead And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows....... ________________________________________________________________________ The Joker at the Gate ===================== People function, dreaming their dreams. People function, scheming their schemes People function, trusting to fate Looking for the Joker, but it's too late Is there still a moment somewhere That will surprise us with its tricks? I am the holder of seven dreams Faceless possessor of all life's schemes Through me you can laugh in the face of fate I am the Joker at your gate __________________________________________________________________________ The Joker of the Universe (Moorcock) ==================================== They have killed the great Sun Jester Who danced between the stars They have stripped him of his manhood Signs of Venus and of Mars The cynics left him weeping And the jackals left him torn But the jester reaches out blind hands he can touch the stars no more And he danced for us And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good and he was bad And he took the stars in his hands And as he scattered them he'd shout "I'm The Joker of The Universe I'm what it's all about!" Now he's dying in his dream And the hard men drag him down They have killed the wild-eyed jester They have killed the Fireclown Now his blind eyes seek the starlight And his fingers seek controls To take him into space again Where he was both young and old The dancers legs are stiffened with pain And they've made him kneel too long And the madness they have driven out They've left him cold and sane He'll never sing his songs again He'll never dance between the stars again He'll never laugh again He'll never dream your songs again He'll never sing his songs again He'll never sing his songs again --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kadu Flyer ========== I want to try, I want to be me I want to get high, I want to see I want to fly, I want to be free I take the trail from Katmandu With a different kind of trip in view Everest is behind the town Mountain High-bound to get higher My glider, I'm the Kadu Flyer Cygnus of the skies, the prize And I will rise to win it Never fly through a cloud if there's a mountain in it My route is by the steep ascent Do battle with the elements Reefs of peril, fierce freezing winds Downdraft dangers want to drag me down My straining ailerons the only sound I'm carried by the keening wind, with the dandelions glide Everest, I'll never rest I'll see you a mogul when I'm high Crawl the thermal up a mountain Like the Pteradacyl's wings Waves of lift and wing vibrations Help me to invoke the sun True me up in soaring fun Rising like the phoenix In full flight from the fire A dragon wing of string and sticks Gliding higher and higher and higher _______________________________________________________________________ Kapal ===== To be, or not to be - that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them Married with my uncle, My father's brother: but no more like my father Than I to Hercules. Within a month... ... She married. O, most wicked speed, to post With such dexterity to incestuous sheets! It is not, nor it cannot come to good. But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue "To be or not to be That is the question" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KERB CRAWLER ============ Syncromesh Gearbox Overhead Cam Mohair motorised wolf L-L-L-L-Looking for lambs Power-Assisted Steering 8-Track Stereo Leopard Skin Upholstery FM Radio Kerb Crawler White side walls with grooves Kerb Crawler So fast he hardly moves Kerb Crawler He really approves of Your high heels clicking Like a pair of cloven hooves Excuse Me Lady Are you looking for a lift? I ain't going nowhere special I'm just out on the drift I'll take you anywhere you want Drop you outside your door I might burn us down the Autobahn With my foot right to the floor Adagio insect in the skyscraper shade He's a night-city mantis In the neon parade Come on, come on ________________________________________________________________________ KINGS OF SPEED ( - Brock - Moorcock - ) Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed Between you and me Mr. C, I think we have what these boys need Step this way lads, it ain't no lie, Try your luck and be the human fly Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We're gonna take a tasty trip on Frank and Beasley's rocket ship The biggest attraction, the brightest star, boys you're going fast and far Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We guarantee you the sweetest ride You'll go so far you'll think you've died Step this way lads it ain't no lie Try your luck and reach the sky _________________________________________________________________________ Land of Inspirations ==================== The shores of our imaginations Running on a far horizon We have no operation We are free to look around Infinite possibilities, no choice Scarce is the same story In this land of aspirations No conception goes to waste Lightning strikes Blazing revelations scorch this air There is no true refuge No Nirvana in which to hide Earthbound poets Guiding us through dark places Out into the light No laws to contain us Our will prevails. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEVITATION ( - Brock - ) In the darkness I will shine, cast not shadows, not define I walk on water, float on air, there's no other to compare I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation There's no cause to start and scream, nor rub your eyes, this is no dream Although I sit upon this chair, I rise and float up in the air I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation Magnetic force, repel-attract, once it starts, there's no turning back I offer you this chance to learn, take it now there's no return _________________________________________________________________________ Lighthouse ========== Far Away in outer space A Lighthouse guiding star It's there to help you, human race and tell you where you are So take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see Cosmic sound and laser light Tools Lighthouse uses well It signals out across galaxies Where crystal people dwell And take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see ____________________________________________________________________________ LIVING ON A KNIFE EDGE ( - Brock - ) Everytime I go out, I think I'm being checked out, Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections of a window whilst walking down the street Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms, and ID cards are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - Incubus We're living on a knife edge, looking for the ground ____________________________________________________________________________ LOOKING IN THE FUTURE ( - ? - ) Lives of great men all remind us we may make our lives sublime And so departing leave behind us Footprints in the sands of time And with the writing I will show you Looking in the days beyond recall As I lecture with the spirits of the other side I'm living in the future I'm looking in the future I'm living in the future Not a sound was heard No call came from the bird Only the carpet of green >From towering trees was seen Where have they all gone? Why was there no song? I'm living in the future Looking at the past ________________________________________________________________________ LORD OF LIGHT ( - Brock - ) The elements that gather here upon this hill shall cast no fear Of lines that match across the world for travel which no man has ever heard The moon that shines its beam so bright of stones that measure the silvery light of energy that travels here it happens on the seventh year. A day shall come, we shall be as one Perhaps the Dying has begun >From the realms beyond the sun here our lifetime has begun ________________________________________________________________________ Lords of Chaos ============== Arioch aid me in my time of need, From inside my soul doth bleed, with your help I'll find the embrasure. The Dukes of Hell, they come, Arioch help me or my life is done. I am here, what dost thou wishest? _________________________________________________________________________ LOST CHANCES ( - Brock - ) Crystal evenings, long ago, twisted winds and weeping snow We missed a turning in the past, is there anything that can last The race is run, the time is right, get out your gun it's time to fight And all our dreams just turn to dust, look to the future forget the past Mistakes you've made can't be redeemed, they are made because you dreamed a dream Honest sunsets turn to paint, the lie you tell becomes a taint The house you built reverts to dust, the sword you held it turns to rust The lies you tell destroy your will, the price you paid you're paying still And the rocks in the river grow higher and higher As the water gets lower and lower There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade, until we've paid ______________________________________________________________________ Lost Johnny =========== You only get a single chance The rules are very plain The truth is well concealed inside The details of the game You can see it coming You can hear it from afar It's pale and it flickers Like a faded movie star And up there in the castle They're trying to make us scream By sticking thumb tacks in her flesh And cancelling the dream Can you find the valium? Can you bring it soon? Lost Johnny's out there Baying at the Moon The time has come for you to choose You'd better get it right Berlin girls with sharp white teeth Are waiting in the night But you oughta really get some It surely can't be hard There's always trouble waiting When you leave your own back yard And underneath the city The alligators sing About how the puppets cannot dance Since someone cut the strings Run and get the morphine For God's sake make it brief Lost Johnny's out there Looking for relief Now Simon looks so evil And you know he really tries But every time he makes a play That vital number dies And Sally buys her underwear >From a store where no-one goes She makes it big in photographs On the strength of what she shows And here inside the waiting room The radio still screams And we're all taking Tuenol To murder our young dreams Run and fetch your credit card Try to make it quick Lost Johnny's out there Trying to turn a trick ___________________________________________________________________________ Love In Space ============= Love in space I dream of you Love in space I scream to you Love in space I cry for you Love in space I fly to you Drifting in our capsules of icy mist The ship of dreams sails on Love in space I dream of you Love in space I plead for you Love in space I sigh for you Love in space I die for you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L.S.D. ====== By mere existence, we are elite Without a body, we are complete There is no Master, we are alone There is an answer, where we have flown hello hello..........goodbye. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAGNU ( - Brock - ) Magnu, horse with golden mane I want your help yet once again Walk not the earth but fly through space As lightning flash and thunders race Swift as the arrow from the bow Come to me so that no one can know. Sunbeams are my shafts to kill All men who dare imagine ill {Deceit that fears the light of day Fly from the glory of my ray} Good minds open and take new might Until diminished by the reign of night {A burning brand was seen to fall It lit the darkness of the hall The flying hoofbeats circling in Come to me and let us spin.} [Live Chronicles has The Conjuration of Magnu - a narration of the first four lines + "Magnu, Magnu, Magnu. Come to me"] _________________________________________________________________________ Make What You Can ================= make what you can when you say Take what you can when you may I see it all through my eyes I see it all through these lies Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make Make what you can when you're takin' Take what you can when you're makin' Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make I see it all in your eyes I see it all through my eyes Make what you can when you take take what you can when you make Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it _________________________________________________________________________ Mark of Cain ============ >From war to war, hang up your swords And rest to heal their wounds But time has taught, without a thought Their guns will call the tune They say it is tha mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart Mostly blind, can't see the signs They stumble in the dark My eyes confused, our lives abused Just trying to make a mark They say it is the mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart ____________________________________________________________________________ Mask of Morning =============== In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out, But you don't hear the sound that I shout, And you don't see me through the tears you've shed, all you hear are the voices in your head. In the dream-world that you've found will one day drag you down, The mirror of illusion reflects the smile. The world from your back door seems so wide, The house, so tiny it is from inside, A box that you're still living in, I cannot see for why You think you've found perception's doors, but they open to a lie. As the rain will come downward now is prepared I will have a smoke, become the slayer of alien power, but now am I? And in my dreams that mirror the workings of the mind dreams that reflect all the desires of the body, dreams that bridge the void between this world and beyond. _____________________________________________________________________________ MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE ( - Brock - Turner - ) I am the centre of this universe The wind of time is blowing through me And it's all moving relative to me, It's all a figment of my mind In a world that I've designed I'm charged with cosmic energy Has the world gone mad or is it me? I am the creator of this universe And all that it was meant to be So that we might learn to see This foolishness that lives in us And stupidity that we must suss How to banish from our minds If you call this living I must be blind. [1st verse only used in Live Chronicles and slightly amended: "I am the master of the universe"] __________________________________________________________________________ Messengers of Morpheus ====================== He who finds to himself a joy And does not winged life destroy But he who kisses the joy as it flies Lives in an eternal sunrise Morpheus, Morpheus, Morpheus __________________________________________________________________________ MICRO MAN ( - Calvert - Brock - ) It's the age of the Micro Man, who sees the detail but never the plan It's the time of the tiny creep, who pulls the levers while he falls asleep Twenty five years of social research It's the age of the insect man who pushes buttons and takes back the can It's the age of the Micro Man who sees the detail but never the plan Twenty five years of social research Twenty five years of social research _________________________________________________________________________ MIRROR OF ILLUSION ( - Brock - ) In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out, But no-one feels the sound that I shout, And you don't hear me through the tears you've shed, and the dream-world that you've found will one day drag you down, The mirror of illusion reflects the smile, The world from your back door seems so wide, The house, so tiny it is from inside, A box that you're still living in, I cannot see for why You think you've found perception's doors, they open to a lie. ________________________________________________________________________ Moonglum ======== Moonglum, friend without a reason Moonglum, friend without a cause Embarrassed by a show of love But would stand by the man of the feeble blood This bond meant much more to him Than a kingdom offered by a queen No words for his silent trust As the Sword goes on to sate its lust Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through open skies See the amazing steel bird fly Armies stand, so soon to fall Sorcery is the tune they call Pitting wit against flesh and gall Timeless searching in timeless halls Walking out to meet his death To find this was no release Searching for some sort of ease Denying feelings that made him weak Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through the open sky See the amazing steel bird fly ________________________________________________________________________ Motherless Children =================== Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time, all that weeping and all that crying Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do, soon as she's happy turn her back on you Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can, so many things that father don't understand Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone _____________________________________________________________________________ MOTORHEAD ( - Kilminster - ) Sunrise wrong side of another day Sky-high and six thousand miles away Don't know how long I've been awake Wound up in an amazing state Can't get enough and you know it's the righteous stuff Goes up like prices at Christmas, Motorhead You can call me Motorhead alright Brained out total amnesia Got some mental anaesthesia Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights If I can be wrong, I must be right All good clean fun, have another stick of gum Man you're looking better already, Motorhead Remember me now, Motorhead, alright Fourth day, five day marathon We're moving like a parallelogram Don't move, the morning's not a pretty sight I guess I'll see you on the ice outside I should be tired, and all I am is wired I Ain't felt this good for an hour Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead __________________________________________________________________________ MOTORWAY CITY ( - Brock - ) Turning star projections, voices from the deep Throbbing of the engines, you exit from the heat Paper on the pavement, cars crawling in the road Emotions of the city, you ease your heavy load A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame A Motorway City, well you exit on the right Cruising on the highway, when you're driving through the night A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame __________________________________________________________________________ Mutation Zone ============= Welcome to the Mutation Zone It's all change In this activated city You can't call Your body your own There's no real protection >From this potion of molecules Down here In the Mutation Zone Mutation Zone Is my home Beneath the rubble It's here I struggle Where silent lakes of dead water Left scorched mountains for an altar It's here the one armed anglers bait Their hooks for creatures of a similar trait For gaping holes fill the ground Craters are spewing out constant sound Living in a quicksand pit Of chemicals and useless shit Can't you see what we've done Blown this Earth to kindom come A swirling mist of nuclear haze Where once before we walked and gazed There is no price to save your soul So disappear up an old black hole Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone It's all so pretty For this mutant terror There's no escape >From the chemical error Your card's been punched Your cover's blown Down here in the Mutation Zone __________________________________________________________________________ My Armour's Killing Me ====================== If you try to take it off it will destroy you And it's almost impossible to remove Wear it carefully, wear it carefully It will protect you against all enemies including yourself. The armour should be given in perfect condition. Any weaknesses should be reported immediately. Your armour will protect you from all conceivable dangers. Especially from within Especially from within It will enable you to resist All temptations and all changes Your armour shines and gleams so well Enabling you to walk through Hell And keep your enemies at bay Through darkest night and brightest day If you keep it carefully You'll burn in it and die in it And never know you didn't have to wear it You'll never know you didn't have to wear it My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour holds me tight My armour blocks the light My armour's all I want 'cos I'm too scared to shed it Yes I'm too scared to shed it My armour's killing me (repeat) _____________________________________________________________________ Narration I [from Live Chronicles] =========== Elric's cousin Yrkoon has usurped his throne and has taken Elric, the weak one, prisoner. He places him on board a ship and has him ... attempts to have him done away with. He has him thrown overboard, but Elric calls upon the Sea-King to help him. _________________________________________________________________________ Narration II {Elric the Enchanter Pt1} [from Live Chronicles] see Elric the Enchanter ============ Some say he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The Lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The Dream will soon turn sour Seeking Stormbringer, the Stealer of Souls ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEEDLE GUN So you're alive, I thought you was done I'm gonna bring you down with my needle gun Feel my pin prick tattoo your spine Give it a minute, your life's entwined With mine It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun Hear my laughter In your head It's a pity it's a shame Nothing's been said It's a vaccination joy With the ultimate death toy It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun Evil needle gun ______________________________________________________________________ Neon Skyline ============ Before my eyes, a neon skyline Colours drip, dimensions entwine Twisting matter, time and space Got to leave reality's waste Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience I changed my course, I had no choice I always listen to my inner voice Projecting auras used to create Escape into the next stargate Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience Before my eyes, a neon skyline Another trip, beyond the mind Senses swirling in my head As darkness falls upon the ledge Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience ___________________________________________________________________________ New Jerusalem ============= "Nor shall my sword rest in my hand 'til we have founded Jerusalem Here in Englands green and Pleasant Land" William Blake (1778) And here's this crystal city That is mapped out like the stars She's been waiting there for ages For us to give her force Some call her Ynnis Glytrr Crystal Isle to you or me So full of glowing emanations That you don't need eyes to see So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Pyramids and Stonehenge Are Ley lines to this place City of Revelations That governs inner space So now tune in your auras Let Solstice music sound And build New Age vibrations And feed them to the ground So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Light that shines through darkness For us, it's plain to see Our Cosmic generation Has power enough to be So find this inner vision And grasp it at the start And build a New Jerusalem Inside your loving heart And here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Tim Blake (1978) ____________________________________________________________________________ Night of The Hawk ================= In all official circles Across this big wide world Between the radio stations A coded message heard No one knew the meaning All our efforts seem to fail But if they catch you listening Then they'll lock you up in jail So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk!" The wind was raging, and the stars were black We all knew there was no turning back The gates of Hell stared in our face Nowhere to hide in this wasted space The curious folk who chanced to stray across this downland way Heard the music blast apart The games that politicians start On English land the people dance Like moths caught in a lamp Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut All waiting to encamp So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk! ________________________________________________________________________ Note From a Cold Planet ======================= There is ice everywhere now, from pole to pole And we live in a kind of miserable twilight Mining what we can of the food we left behind Mining for Campbell's Soup and Birds-Eye peas For Heinz baked Beans and sliced Kraft cheese Yes all the food is frozen now all the food is frozen now Last year we struck a forest two hundred feet below It was perfectly preserved. It was as though Some cryogenic process petrified it in time It seemed a shame to drag it up and burn it But we've no choice if we wish to stay alive Yes, all the trees are frozen now all the trees are frozen now There are fourteen of us left in our group today Three of these are women: warriors from Mandalay The others are from Africa, America, Japan The English cannibal is, of course, a man He claims it is the price he has to pay Yes, all our hearts are frozen now all our hearts are frozen now I know for certain there is earth below the snow The land we lost only a few short years ago When in our euphoric ferocity we loosed the fires No water could extinguish. A hundred billion funeral pyres Their fumes became our shroud. There's nowhere left to go Yes, all our hopes are frozen now all our hopes are frozen now We denied ourselves the right to walk upon the Earth To walk upon the surface of our Earth We denied our rites, the lore of ancient wisdom We can no longer walk upon the surface of our Earth Denied the facts of death and the facts of birth Yes, all our Future's frozen now all our Future's frozen now ___________________________________________________________________________ Now is the Winter of Our Discontent =================================== Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York And all the clouds that lower'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths Our bruised arms hung up for monuments Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings Our dreadful marches to delightful measures Grim-visag'd war hath smoothed his wrinkled front And now, instead of mounting barbed steeds To fright the souls of fearful adversaries He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber To the lascivious pleasing of a lute But I, that am not shap'd for sportive tricks Nor made to court an amourous looking-glass I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton, ambling nymph I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion Cheated of feature by dissembling nature Deform'd, unfinished, sent before my time Into this breathing world, scarce half made up And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them Why I in this weak piping time of peace Have no delight to pass away the time Unless to see my shadow in the sun And descant on mine own deformity And therefore since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams [opening speech in Richard III] Can I do this, and cannot get a crown? Tut! were it further off, I'll pluck it down [Gloster (later Richard III) in Henry VI Part III act iii scene 2] ___________________________________________________________________________ Nuclear Drive ============= Before I had time to think about it And right before my eyes The machine had landed and the door was open wide I stepped inside the spaceship, a voice said "Take a seat man, do you want to cruise the Universe go where no one else has ever been?" With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive But before I could answer The ship began to rise I looked out of the porthole And felt most peculiar inside Take me up the skyways Show me what you've seen I want to cruise the universe in your superspace machine With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive _________________________________________________________________________ NUCLEAR TOY ( - Brock - ) Nuclear facts are hard to take Harrisburg, Windscale, it's no use to fake Potassium iodide radiation drug Won't save yourself from being a mug A generator pumping out active gas Polluting the atmosphere and killing en-masse Strontium-90 cancer in the blood Who's gonna pay for the radiation flood? It's a nuclear toy M4 missile cruising in the sky Setting off catastrophe in a flickering of an eye Radiation fallout it's a setting sun Looking down the barrel and firing the gun Nuclear death is sweeping the Earth Babies being born deformed from birth Mutations are working in the factories The landscape's full of artificial trees It's a nuclear toy _______________________________________________________________________ Ode To A Crystal Set (Calvert) ============================== There wasn't much to you at all. A pair Of headphones, and a knob to twiddle But you beat the sixgun and the saddle You were futuristic as Colonel Dare And so was I, in your bakelite 'phones Tuned-in, to the insect language of Morse Always at war with the alien force Of crackling static's interference zones And at night I listened to voices drone With your dark conches pressed against my ears And dreamt there were voices among the stars The privilege of hearing was mine alone With your earthed antenna divining air You traced the future of your trans-sisters Oracular wire, you were the cat's whiskers 'Til I heard the superheterodyne's blare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (Calvert) Your calyx hides a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime. Did heedless Eve think twice before she broke The enjewelled fruit from its brittle stem. Or the first man to reach out and stroke The marijuana leaf, condemn Himself for greed when harvesting And burning such a golden thing. As this dreaming poet who just then spoke Of your sacredness, and is now prepared To do exactly as he first declared And make of his museful words a joke. But not quite as easy after all I find, as my fingers reach to grasp, Your gleaming head to wrench from its tall Transparent stalk, they refuse to clasp. As did Pandora's eager hands hold still At the thought of the box containing ill. Or the stoned explorers of Medusa stall For time not entered in their log Before they dared the petrific fog That holds them still in its timeless thrall. .......................... a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the Case =========== On the case I'm not tired I'll be wired A bit strung out Never sleep Gotta keep her Hung out Check a lead Check a read.. Check a.. Check a.... Check a readout Find a clue And follow through Then eat out And now I'm clearing some confusion It's disappearing without a trace I'm on the case I'm on the case What's your name? What's your game? The details like a cop Can't stop Empty trails I suspect And detect A windup Making sense Evidence Is lined up Rainy night Neon light Reflection In a store window Saw a connection In the dark Shadow stark Don't crack up Work alone On your own No backup Ovaltine Nicotine Stained fingers Follow up Collar up Hat pulled down On the beat In an empty street Let's cool down Truth and Justice Voice of freedom All that must Disguise it's face When I'm on the case I'm on the case........ ___________________________________________________________________________ THE ONLY ONES ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Icarus flew too near the sun Into the blue his red wax did run He fell to the earth and sealed the scroll The daredevil angels our luck would unfold They are the only ones The chosen only ones They are the only ones who are free Half-human half-bird acsending so high No whisper is heard from deep in the sky On wings they climb, they beat and they soar Through space and time toward heaven's door In chariots of fury and flame We head for above to stake out our claim With radioscopes, electronic eyes We scan for our hopes in different skies ________________________________________________________________________ (ONLY) THE DEAD DREAMS OF THE COLD WAR KID ( - Calvert - ) If he blows his cover he might blow the lid So he stays in the shadows like he always did Deep in his trenchcoat secret papers are hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid In a tower by the wall the machine gunners wait To type out the orders that seal his fate Deep in the shadows where he always hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Secret career in counter espionage Covering his fear with clever camouflage Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Railway hotel with gun oil on the sheets The man at the harbour waited in the streets It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid __________________________________________________________________________ ORGONE ACCUMULATOR ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I've got an orgone accumulator It makes me feel greater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator Those energy stimulators Just turn your eyeballs into craters But an orgone accumulator Is a superman creator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator I've got an orgone accumulator And it makes me feel grater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator. __________________________________________________________________________ Oscillations ============ Sound vibrations in the air Can cause panic everywhere Reduce tall buildings into dust TV pictures to adjust Oscillations in my head All I hear is constant sound Makes my brain go round and round Makes my brain go round and round ____________________________________________________________________________ OUT OF THE SHADOWS ================== ( - Brock/Davey/Buckley - ) Out of the shadows And into the light Out of the background And into the fight Out of the jungles And back on the streets Out of the blizzard And into the heat Out of the rat race Into the lagoon Out of the stone age And onto the moon Out of the nameless Onto the front page Out of the basement Onto the Stage Out of the rainbow Into the black Out of the fox hole And into the flak Out of the shelters Under the Bomb bomb bomb..... ________________________________________________________________________ OVER THE TOP (LIVE) =================== [[Intro, stage banter]] This is a very heavy microphone stand. Aha, no queen could banish this I tell you that. This is a real man's microphone stand 'ere Dave. 'Ere, where d'you get these stands from? They're really heavy. So are you. Well we're gonna do something really heavy in a minute. Like, err.., fall off the stage on top of you, With about two hundredweight of iron in my hand. You're a very tiny person, aren't you? Eh? You're all very tiny down there. You know, when I'm up here, I feel so big and mighty, I feel like I'm the Master Of the Universe. You made me feel like that, And now, It's almost true. Just wait and see, What we do. Alright, cut the gypsy music. A band of gypsies... [[Begin song proper(?)]] All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in all. I would rather the firestorms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dream. Into the starkness of this capsule, That two of our crew still lie suspended, Cool in their tombs of sleep. The nagging choirs of memory, The tubes and wires worming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut. Such midwifery is but one function Of the leader here. He's floating in a sac of fluid dark, a clear Century of space away from earth. One man stares from the trauma of his birth. Attending to the hypno-tapes, assuring him, This was reality, however grim. Oh our journey's end The landing itself was nothing; We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind. And left the galaxy of dreams behind. And it's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. All your childhood dreams, all are a fable, For fountains now, For fountains now, Now now, Now now now, Fountains, fountains, All going up in fountains, fountains. All a fable for fountains now And just a minute now. When you look into my eyes, You're looking at your own reflection. And all you see is your disguise You wear for your own protection. So don't go telling me that you know just when to stop, When to stop. You know you go over the top. Over the top. It's over the top. Over the top. Hey he's going, over the top. Over the top, oh. Over the top, alright here it goes... In 1916, They dug the trenches. We don't need them; We have our own defences. We don't need no officers to blow no whistle and scream "Come on you guys wake up out of your dream And follow me Cos I'm going, Over the top. Over the top. Follow me over the top. Here goes now, Your country needs you." (Hey Kitchener, don't you know that moustaches went out with the Beatles?) Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Hung upon the wire. Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Hung upon the wire. Hung upon the wire. Strung on barbed wire. Huh, strung on barbed wire. Goodbye genocide..... ________________________________________________________________________ PARADOX ( - Brock - ) The story that I'm telling you Something that you can do Ask yourself and try to find the answer See the signs they're always there But you know you never care You're always looking for another reason Try to reach it's not too far See it as you really are Ask yourself to try and find the answer Always, always it's the same thing Try it, try it, you just can't win Circles, circles spinning round People, people always bring you down and down Round and round you go __________________________________________________________________________ The Phenomenon of Luminosity ============================ Friendship Seven: I'll try to describe what I'm in here. I'm in a big mass of some very small particles that are brilliantly lit up, like they're luminescent. I never saw anything like it. They're coming by the capsule, and they look like little stars. A whole shower of them coming by. ________________________________________________________________________ Processed ========= Every time I go out, I think I'm being checked out Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections off a window whilst walking down the street Spying, lying, there's no denying You can't escape, just be discreet Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you've said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms and ID cards, are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - incubus We're processed, we're processed, we're processed ____________________________________________________________________________ Psi Power ========= When I was a kid in school They showed me symbols on a card Then they sent them from a locked and bolted room I had to fake that it was hard Circle, square, triangle, waves I got them crystal clear by the hour And all I said was "may I please take a rest?" I didn't want them to know I was possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep When I was a teenage kid and I hung around the streets I could see inside the mind of any girl that I wanted to meet Wave, triangle, circle, square They opened to me like a flower Would you like to have your mind carressed? Can't you feel that I'm possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep It's like a radio you can't switch off There's no way to get peace of mind I'd like to live inside a lead-lined room And leave all this Psi Power behind Circle, square, triangle, waves It's a gift that soon turns sour Why don't they let me get some rest? It's too much to understand and to digest Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep _______________________________________________________________________ PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) ( - Brock - ) We're sick of politicians harassment and laws All we do is get screwed up by other people's flaws World turned upside down now there's nothing else to do But live in concrete jungles that just block up the view And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke I'm telling you, that ain't no lie You think you know the answers but we don't tell no lies We can take you anyway thro' seven different highs World turned upside down now, there's nothing else to do, but live in concrete jungles, but they block up the views ________________________________________________________________________ Psychosis ========= We have malfunction on screens Switching to computer override now __________________________________________________________________________ Psychosonia (Moorcock, Bainbridge, Lloyd-Langton, Brock, Griffin) ----------- Abu-Wabu Abu-Wabu Mabu-Dabu Mabu-Dabu Aka-Taba Aka-Taba Kata-Bata Kata-Bata Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Tee aitch ee why Aey are and ee Tee are why i En and a jee Tee and an o Are o bee You and an ess Oh eff oh you are Are i jee aitch tee Tee and an o See oem em You en i see Aey tee and ee Silence is a virtue and speaking is crime If you're dumb you're happy And if you're dumb you're mine I've got you where I want you I'll hold you till I'm through Just listen to these words I'm giving you _________________________________________________________________________ PXR5 ( - Brock - ) Two years ago our nova-drive failed and we drifted in space But now repaired our motors run to continue the race Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive Their life supports could not take the strain and so they died And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us journey into space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 Robots call, but we don't answer to their wail Computers hum and bright lights flash to no avail The course has been set for us to go in light years past Outlaws of time, visions of an ancient cast And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us outlaws of this space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 _________________________________________________________________________ QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Einstein was not a handsome fellow Nobody ever called him Al He had a long moustache to pull on It was yellow I don't believe he ever had a girl One thing he missed out in his theory of time, space and relativity Is something that makes it very clear He was never gonna score like you'n'me He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm I had a dangerous liason To have been found out would've been a disgrace We had to rendezvous some days on The corner of an undiscovered place We got sick of chat chat chatter and the look upon everybody's face But all that does not anti-matter now We've found ourselves a black hole in space And we're talking about Quark, Strangeness and Charm Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies Crazy about his telescope And Galileo had a name that made his reputation higher than his hopes Did none of those astronomers discover While they were staring out into the dark That what a lady looks for in her lover is Charm, Strangeness and Quark. ________________________________________________________________________ Rambo In Space ============== I wear a helmet But I've got a bare chest I do some talking But my phaser does the rest Don't like your tentacles Don't like your face Don't like your planet I'll just lay it to waste Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. I go for first strike Nuclear Attack put me in retro But I'm bouncing right back I've got a spaceship Loaded with guns Substitute penis And here it comes Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. The hand of freinship's No hand of mine Too many fingers Some gook design I ain't got time for diplomacy I murder aliens So men can be free Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. They tried to test me Those Sigmund Freuds But I just hid among The asteroids Space vigilante's What they call me The greatest threat to peace In the whole galaxy Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. The Universe is mirrored in my head Great empty spaces Brain cells all dead The Moon caught fire My parents died Eternal vengeance Has messed me up inside And so I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REEFER MADNESS ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Open your eyes, you'll get a surprise, evil is sweeping the nation, It's killing your sons and what merely stuns is Your daughters are out for sensation When they turn on their morals are gone They don't really know what they're doing It's a teenage malaise, a dangerous craze Leading their bodies to ruin Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana monster is stalking the streets You know what he's after and you know what he eats He gobbles your body and spits out your mind If you don't believe it then you must be blind Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough One night I was smoking dope, when I looked at my hand, and I saw that I had eleven fingers, one of these fingers fell from my hand, onto the carpet, crawled across the floor, Up on my shelf, inside my piggy bank and stole my stash, stole my stash. Reefer madness has stolen their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll. ______________________________________________________________________ The Right Stuff =============== I don't feel fear or panic And nothing brings me down I'm an aerospaceage warrior I can fly sideways through sound My reflexes and reactions Are as fast as a machine I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff Just watch my trail When the dial needle flickers Around mach one or two And something happens suddenly I know exactly what to do My hands move without thinking And my feet like lightning too I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff I never fail My nerves are made of steel And my eyes are eagle sharp And what would freak the average man Does not affect my heart Not even if this jinxy jet Should shake itself apart 'cause I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff As hard as nails I never fail Just watch my trail ___________________________________________________________________________ Right to Decide =============== I'm a digital citizen safe in my room I've got my video to relieve the gloom My mind's on a circuit with the news on a screen Life's a no-go area it's so obscene 'cause you can't do this, you can't do that. You can't go forward and you can't go back. I'm a plugged in person, I'm a TV fan but there's so many things that I don't understand Why do you want to steal? When on TV it's not real It's a viewing game 'cause you can't do this, you can't do that. You can't go forward and you can't go back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBOT ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Nine to five or ten to six, up to the city and back to the sticks You've got to unwind your mind, you've got to unwind your mind Sit back, switch on, your face has got a twitch on Your fuses are blown out in a double bind Air-conditioned, psycho-analysed, you're very nearly human, you're so well disguised Robot, Robot, you're a Robot, Robot You're warm when it's cold, you're cool when it's hot Your life is recorded on a micro-dot, Robot, Robot You'd hold the whole world in your metal claws if it wasn't for the three laws of robotics Automated homunculus, you queue for the paper You queue for the bus, you're a "good morning" machine You're a "how are you?" device Sit back, light up, never put a fight up Sit there fuming until your face goes green Air conditioned, and desensitised, you're very nearly human You're so well disguised Robot, Robot I am a robot I am your slave I can not harm you I can only obey The Three Laws _______________________________________________________________________ ROCKY PATHS ( - Huw & Marion Lloyd-Langton - ) Rocky paths winding round, the inspiration is to be found Following us now with sound coming from earthy ground Keeping up an open mind In everyone you will find a path to help you climb the walls built up by time Never close yourself to more, learn we can, that's for sure And it isn't hard to ignore a heart that has an open door _______________________________________________________________________ Running Through the Backbrain ============================= Running through my backbrain in the morning I think that what I'm getting is a warning Messages are scrambled but they're urgent Something in the cortex 'bout detergent I think it's coming clearer I can see it in the mirror Heading for a relapse Clogging up the synapse Or is it just Cassandra yawning? Killers in the streets are wearing striped pants They are interfering with my larynx My brother and my sister joined the army They promise that they do not mean to harm me Messages messages Persecution Persecution messages messages..... Now it's growing dimmer I can see the mirror shimmer Sounds are getting stranger warning me of danger Or can it be that I am merely tired? There's a roaring in my ears that will not die And signals in the sky I can't identify My eyes are melting and my lips are moving And the words that I am hearing are not soothing Breathing's getting harder There's nothing in the larder The building's falling over Or the Sun is going nova Or is it my old-fashioned paranoia? I think that it's important information giving me my future destination Fragments of mysterious conversation Lend the game a frightening complication I know they're trying to tell me What can they want to sell me? The floor is undulating My bones are soft and aching Or have I temporarily lost my bearing? Every little sound is charged with meaning Percentage bandits riding out of Ealing Stuttering, shouting, crying, and declaiming Sentences are waxing, now they're waning A myriad of letters >From my elders and my betters The Killer's moving faster He tells me that he's my master Or was he just asking me "the time please?" ____________________________________________________________________________ Sadness Runs Deep ================= I have the dream in the palm of my hand but if I fell off that tightrope on which side would I land? Insecurity and freedom, it's a narrow path don't know what she wants now ('cos I've ) forgotten how to laugh. Frightening thoughts spin, around my head betrayal and misery, things that were said deep-down inside me the sadness runs deep the only release from the torture comes when I'm asleep all of these feelings are trapped deep-down inside for you it's a joke now I've got nowhere to hide. Send someone to help me, I'm lonely and I'm scared I was gonna pile up, my emotions they were bared my weak points they were noted, put away for future use she says that she loves me, as she tightens up the noose. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SEA KING Sinking deeper beneath the waves Mind now resigned, accepts his fate Ancient alliance creeps into his thoughts Unbid to him comes a rune once taught Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him Unsure whether he's dreaming or dead Seeing the face that his youth has bred {Slowly} realizing that to him has come His ancestors' ally, friend only to some {Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him} He sees that his life is safe His foe Yrkoon has failed The deed that was to finish him Has come to no avail Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him To his kingdom he is now bound The sea around him is his shroud Age old wisdom has set him free So to realize his destiny Sea King has come to him - Sea King, to save him __________________________________________________________________________ The Secret Agent ================ I was trained in Arizona, in a secret desert camp where we did night manoeuvres without a lighted lamp. I've got an old worn Trilby hat that doesn't keep me dry when the rain falls on my mac plays havoc with the dye I wear my dark shades every day of the year when I see my reflection it strikes a note of fear. I've got a dozen gadgets concealed in my clothes I've got some suicide pills that taste like herb of cloves I've not got a single friend just my armpit gun and when I go to bed at night it certainly helps me son I'm always getting in tight spots I manage to escape by either jumping off a train or swimming in a lake soon I'm in a right state I'm a secret agent there's nowhere you can hide I'm a secret agent taking you for a ride what's your name what's your game details never stop work alone on your own collar up, hat pulled down on the beach, with a peach sometimes good, sometimes bad drinking coffee, feeling sad. There's one thing that I want to be involved with That's Truth and Justice and I sincerely mean that. And if everybody was involved in Truth and Justice There would be no need for secret agents. That's what happens when you get in tight spots. He's in a tight spot I've yet to crack-up Ain't got no backup what's your name what's your game A bit strung out Ain't got no backup I'm beginning to crack-up Think I'll go bankrupt It's all confusion disappearing without a trace I'm a secret agent He's in a tight spot Attention, Attention REPEAT VERSE 1 and everybody rushes away to hide certainly take you for a ride baby! baby! (listen) REPEAT VERSE 2 That's because I'm in a tight spot He's in a tight spot I like tight spots He's in a tight spot What's your name, what's your game Details never stop. Working alone on your own There's no backup beginning to crack-up no backup beginning to crack-up It's a rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light Beginning to crack-up Ain't got no backup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SEVEN BY SEVEN ( - Brock - ) Lost am I in this world of timelessness and woe Can I find the doorways through which I must go Is the key to this plane too much for me to try to gain Is the passport to this world my astral soul 7 signs rode on 7 stars, 7 ways to find the long lost bards 7 days became 7 years, while Pocus laughed and called foul jeers 7 times he cursed the 7 tears, each one became their 7 fears What is lost is never gained again, I've cast the spell that eternity chained No more to cry o' mortal soul, the astral path is now your fortuitous role. __________________________________________________________________________ Shot down in the Night ====================== Numbers called as they're waiting in a line Camouflaged like a jungle snake Acting tough, just enough 'til they start to break Then they're off with a rush of adrenalin Holding on to a world unseen the only sound is the pumping of the great machine [chorus:] The secret's only for a few Superpower looks down on you Someone's watching every move You can break the lock and turn on the light ? You know your danger feelings are right Try to run or put up a fight You'll be shot down in the night Shot down like an animal See them run like rats from the factory Push them out to the twilight zone Let them feed on their needs 'til they're overthrown Take them up to a place in the gallery Show them God with an angel face Curtain call for the fall Of the Human race Play it straight and it seems like a mystery Tell the truth and it sounds like lies Looking down at the ground With your angry eyes Play the game and you'll see there's a difference Join the ranks and you'll get your kicks See the world, and the girls, and the dirty tricks ________________________________________________________________________ SILVER MACHINE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I just took a ride in a silver machine and I'm still feeling mean I got a silver machine Do you want to ride see yourself going by other side of the sky Well I got a silver machine It flies sideways through time It's an electric line To your Zodiac sign It flies out of a dream It's antiseptically clean You're gonna know where I've been In my silver machine _______________________________________________________________________ SLEEP OF A THOUSAND TEARS zWith your white arms wrapped around me And locked in embraces so cold We slept a 1000 years or more To awake in a land of gold Where, the king of the world was a creature Both man and woman and beast And the landscape boiled with a million strange flowers And the sun set in the east And we were heroes you and I By virtue of age and skill And we rode to a land At the edge of the sky To an emerald tower on a hill _______________________________________________________________________ Social Alliance =============== A social alliance, are you in distress? Just contact me and I'll do my best She said "I'm a person, so don't abuse me" You know I am a doctor of the third degree We're part of a structure That needs no consent You think you're the same Now we're all different Jeanie lives for fashion And I live to fight Before life was easy Now we're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night Creatures of the night Don't miss the sensation It's never too late If you think you're ready There's no need to wait Can your mind take it? Do you really care? _____________________________________________________________________________ Solitary Mind Games =================== Unbelieving Non-receiving Mind is in a Void Unforgiven Bodydriven Striving to avoid Anger growing Can't help knowing Hiding from the pain Everlasting Grains of Truth are Gnawing at his brain Now he wonders Fears but wonders Where it all will end Never certain Far from certain Can the future mend? Conscience torn out Doesn't know how He will ever find Peace of mind in Warlike visions Tormenting all his kind _________________________________________________________________________ SONG OF THE SWORDS A clash of steel A blinding light Is this the start of Chaos' fight? We were born to be free Not live in terror under tyrrany [My eyes were blind I could not see What was this kind of sorcery? I heard a murmuring in the night Black swords hanging cold as ice Will they lead me to Paradise?] Take up the sword And take up me The Chaos lord's answer is to be "Your path is chosen, you have no choice Come join us now", thus spoke the voice Paradise, is this my Paradise? The cool brain tortured by neurotic fears The man of ice melts in shameless tears The journey onward, it never ends When you're alone with so few friends... __________________________________________________________________________ Sonic Attack ============ In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules..... If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously Do not waste time blocking your ears. Do not waste time seeking a soundproof shelter. Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible, but do not panic..... Use your wheels. It is what they are for. Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons, which should be left if possible, in a shelter. Do not attempt to use your own limbs. If no wheels are available, metal, not organic, limbs should be employed whenever practical..... Remember, in the case of Sonic Attack, Survival does mean every man for himself. Statistically more people survive if they think only of themselves. Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, or loved ones. You have only a few seconds to escape. Use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die. Do not panic. Think only of yourselves.... These are the first signs of Sonic Attack: You will notice small objects, such as ornaments, oscillating. You will notice a vibration in your vertebrae. You will hear a distant hissing in your ears. You will feel dizzy. You will feel the need to vomit. There will be bleeding from orifices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting, or even laughter. These are all signs of imminent Sonic destruction. Your only real protection is flight. If you are less than ten years old, then remain in your shelter and use your cocoon. But remember: You can help no-one else, No-one else, No-one else...... ________________________________________________________________________ SPACE IS DEEP ( - Brock - ) Space is dark, it is so endless, when you're lost it's so relentless It is so big, it is so small, why does man try to act so tall, Is this the reason deep in our minds. It does not feel, it does not die, space is neither truth nor lie Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel Is this the reason deep in our minds The secret lies with our tomorrow, in each of us is a hidden sorrow The path goes onward through the night beyond the realms of ancient light. Is this the reason deep in our minds ___________________________________________________________________________ Space Travellers ================ Turning star projections A voice across the screen Surreal landscapes that flash at intervals Where life has always been Star travellers in their coma Faces deathly white Unaware of the galaxy That drifts past them in the night Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb......... ____________________________________________________________________ SPIRIT OF THE AGE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I would've liked you to have been deep frozen too And waiting still as fresh in your flesh for my return to earth But your father refused to sign the forms to freeze you Let's see you'd be about 60 now, and long dead by the time I return to earth My time held dreams were full of you as you were when I left, still underage Your android replica is playing up again it's no joke When she comes she moans another's name But that's the spirit of the age, that's the spirit of tha age I am a clone, I am not alone Every fibre of my flesh and bone is identical to the others Everything I say is in the same tone as my test tube brother's voice And there's no choice between us, if you had ever seen us you'd rejoice in your uniqueness And consider every weakness something special of your own Being a clone I have no flaws to identify Even this doggerel that flows from my pen Has just been written by another twenty telepathic men Word for word it says "Oh, for the wings of any bird other than a battery hen". __________________________________________________________________________ Sputnik Stan ============ They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in Earth's orbit It's a junkyard, man It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceways maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect Weigh it in and get paid My name's Stan I've been commissioned By the Alien Federation To collect all this junk Floating around in space So don't you go nicking it 'Cause it's all mine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDING AT THE EDGE ( - Moorcock - House - King - Powell - ) We're standing on the edge The edge of time And it is dark, so dark on the edge of time And we're tired of making love We are the lost, we are the ravaged We are the unkind We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love Where are our children Where are our fathers Where is our desire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time Where is our joy Where is our hope Where is our fire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time We are the lost, we are the forgotten We are the undying We are the soldiers at the edge of time The veterans of a thousand psychic wars We are ths soldiers at the edge of time The victims of the savage truth We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love _______________________________________________________________________ Star Cannibal ============= Jaws of blue open wide the sky Silence split with thunder men who fly Descend the jaws of cosmic brood For their appetite we the fleshly food Rising souls and carcassed bone Fleshless remains in every home Onwards crunching munching men Star Cannibal has come again Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew He partakes of us at will Enigmatic one we cannot kill Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew _______________________________________________________________________ Starflight ========== READY? Ready. R for Ruminant LARGACTIL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check VALIUM: TEN MILLIGRAMMES Check HALIPERIDOL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Which? THE LITTLE WHITE ONES. W FOR WHITE OK Check PHENOBARBITONE: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check DISIPEL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check GLASS OF WATER Check Our Father Which art in Heaven Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Maxi Ma Culpa......... _______________________________________________________________________ STEPPENWOLF ( - Brock - Calvert - ) You can see my eyes are lupine The liquid golden fires glare My loping walk, my slinking spine Are signs that there is something there The way my nostrils flare for odours The way my ears prick up for sound My hair's electrically aware Tells me things for miles around I am a man-wolf, I am a wolf man I have half a canine mind I have half the mind of man I am neither of one kind Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bells it rings Like a wolf my wilful loafing My languishing alone in my lair Where you will never hear me laughing I'm half in love with dark and despair The Moon's a howling, mouth of mercury Quicksilver quivering in the sky It echoes like a cave of chromium That'll vacuum up my soul when I die I am a wolf man, I am a man-wolf A freak, a fiend, a figment of mind A species of the steppes and city I am neither of one kind Dissolving in the slendour of this desolation The forest has been filled by a fog Exactly a description of my isolation I made a note of it in my log To the secret of all creation I follow my own trail like a dog I am a wolf man who walks alone in the gas lamp Shadows of the streets at night I am a man-wolf upright on two feet in the city dressed somberly as a man I am a wolf man under skies heavy with snow My eyes are convex lenses of ebony embedded in amber I am a man-wolf The fat bourgeois and his dopple ganger are buried in their solid glare Twin specimens of insect set for display I am a wolf-man, the man in me would kill the wolf I am a man-wolf, the wolf in me would eat the man I am a wolf man, who despises the striving of common men Who sees them at work, at their daily tasks at factories and office desks Who watches them at evening, elbows lift at tavern tables, heads lolling in song Ich weiss nicht was ich sagen soll I saw a neon sign reflected in a pool of liquid sky It was not what I expected I was only walking by The sign said "to the magic theatre" It is not for everyone It is but for madmen only, the first performance has begun I looked up to see that notice where the lights were shining from Nothing but blank wall was there and their reflection too was gone Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bell it rings __________________________________________________________________________ Streets of fear (Brock) --------------- What is this that I see here You're walking through the streets of fear What is this did I consent Armed guard of punishment What is life and what is death You may laugh or gasp for breath I ride the streets now filled with hate Carve pathways through the lines of fate With my energising ray Power is the game I play I can murder steal or rape Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make _________________________________________________________________________ SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN ( - Brock - ) Feel the pain burning, reaching up your spine How your body shudders higher as you climb You're reaching for the sky as the lash descends Tingling stars of fire, burning in your head Lightning in you opening eyes, bursting thoughts of power Feel the velvet whip turning sweet thoughts to sour Down and down you slowly slide Your burning body under mine Together a world with legs entwined Silky skin with hardened lines The scent of leather in the air The colours change not really there You taste the sweetness of the pain Will you ever climb so high again ___________________________________________________________________________ Sweet Obsession =============== I'm standing at the station waiting just to see your face I'm looking in shop windows whilst trying to retrace I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession......... ________________________________________________________________________ Sword of the East ================= A starless night Colder than death The sand dunes of life Hold their breath My eyes are closed Dreaming for you The holy wars Time will subdue Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Your swords of steel Have turned to guns Your desert steed Has been outrun And now you hide Under the night To wait for dawn To continue the fight Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Gather up the fallen! The children you bear Are born into war Their eyes of despair Your generals ignore So now you dream Of mysterious lands Warm blood of the past Still flows in the sand Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East _________________________________________________________________________ Technicians of Spaceship Earth ============================== We are all co-pilots of Spaceship Earth We are out of control We have lost control Our airlocks are threatened by cosmic rays Invasions from the wounded galaxies By the ectoplasmic leeches of pure enthusiasm And the souls of erection joy Our portholes daubed with mind-eating acids That corrode the perspex shields of vision Our computers have gone crazy And are in need of electrotherapy Our fuel tanks dream of explosion Taste and scent phones send messages Of peace from long lost Earth We are all co-pilots of spaceship Earth Soul brothers in a coma We have lost control Technicians of Spaceship Earth Your captain is dead Your captain is speaking Your captain is dead This is your captain speaking Your captain is dead --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER ( - Calvert - ) In the tenth second of forever, I thought of the sea and a white yacht drifting... In the ninth second of forever, I thought of a leaf, a stone, the plastic fragment of the child's toy... In the eighth second of forver, I remembered a warm room where voices played... In the seventh second of forever, I thought of the life I would not lead... In the sixth second of forever, I saw your mouth whispering something I could not hear... In the fifth second of forever, I thought of the vermillion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests of Venus... In the fourth second of forever, I could remember nothing that I did not love... In the third second of forever, I thought of rain against a window and I thought of the wind... In the second second of forever, I thought of the pair of broken shades lying on the tarmac... In the first and final second of forever, I thought of the long past that had led to now and never... never... never... never... __________________________________________________________________________ The Timeship Will Not Sail Again ================================ The ghosts of unborn children play with toys The memories of the future are a wild confusing noise And we cannot stick to flashes of the future we have seen And we can't act for terror Of what will be and what we've been And we're frozen in a time trap And we're slowly losing power And we're frightened if we makes a move That the dream will still go sour There are memories all around us And images of the past And the crying of the children keeps us tied round the mast But the timeship will not sail again Until we find our nerves And the timeship cannot fight again "til we know who it is we serve And the memories of the future Are a weapon in their hands And we'll always be defenseless Until we make a stand The timeship cannot sail again Until we make a stand The timeship cannot fight again 'til we give up all we've gained The timeship cannot ride again 'til we give up all we've gained And smash the memories of the future Forever we're aftaid The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again ________________________________________________________________________ They've Got Your Number ======================= They got your number, they got your name You are the one they will blame Accused of being the leader of the pack You are the one who wouldn't turn his back They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name Do you not now see what their problem is They can't accept your solution Though we all see that you pay the price The rest of your days will be spent in seclusion They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name __________________________________________________________________________ Time For Sale ============= Roll up everybody, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you're wasted price'll show ya' more surprise if you've got the blues Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. Works out quite expensive but you've a lot of time to pay So don't be apprehensive come on, buy up the time today Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Oh Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. Got what you need - it's all guarenteed You can have a time of a whale If the boss don't suit ya - you can try on the ledger You don't have to pay on the nail - I've got time for sale. 'ere.....D'you wanna buy some time? Want to buy some time? Coz' I've got second-hand time for sale. second hand time second hand time for sale. Take a look in his pouch You see what I see there? That's Helen Of Troy there! - He got Helen Of Troy there! You can have her if you pay for time second-hand time first hand time I've got first hand time, once upon a time a second a second a second a second I sicken for this time second hand time time time first hand time time time I can sell to you an hour or a complete eternity I can sell to you the power to have complete immortality Wouldn't you like to be the boy who could make the old mantra quale Lying in the arms of Helen Of Troy I've got time for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIME WE LEFT (THIS WORLD TODAY) ( - Brock - ) Time we left this world today Time we left this world today Time we left this world today So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you walk the street Cast sly glances at who you meet Brain police are not far behind Trying to make you lose your minds Time we left this world today Watch you as you walk the streets Make you sit in your house and say "Time we left this world today" So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" ___________________________________________________________________________ TRANSDIMENSIONAL MAN ( - Brock - ) Where the speed of light breaks thro' Changing shapes distort the view Red rimmed stars, tear-drops of light I can vanish into the night Chorus: With laser eyes I will awake Panic is the rule I make Trace my background identikit A source of light which shall emit I see what no one fortells I can travel down to hell I know what is often said Written in the book of the dead I can travel anyway With my energising ray And I'll visit in your room Appearing from within the gloom Watch me take you in your dreams Cascading iridescent light beams Fingers curling in the sun Reaching for what has begun Suddenly I hear all your lies See all the secrets of 1000 eyes But you may laugh or gasp for breath What is life and what is death _________________________________________________________________________ Treadmill ========= I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay Mechanics battle for the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march The mirrored shades of the patriarch Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to computer screens Fingers raised - " must finish the scene" Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay I can't expound before the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office block from which we march The mirrored shades of the Patriarch ________________________________________________________________________ TV Suicide ========== ( - Bainbridge - ) All our life Is squarely pictured An eye on the world It's no mystery Grazing with the handset Is a nightly feature Everything I need is on my TV Soft soap, Hard Sell Infrared Remote Control Your finger is on the button But whose got your soul? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Can you tell the difference? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Ha Ha You can't get better Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Hit pain where it hurts Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Don't hold back Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Have I ever let you down? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Trust Me, Trust Me Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell _______________________________________________________________________ UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS ( - House - Brock - Calvert - King - ) Shoals of dead fish float on the lakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars And science is making the same mistakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars No one down here knows how to work the brakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the earth too hot to bear The Earth might be a desert soon, America has left the Moon Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars He's digging for dreams in the red sand He's got his bucket and spade in his left hand He's digging for dreams He's looking for life What's he doing out there? He's looking for life Looking for life There may be life out there (Nixon to Armstrong - July 21st 1969:) I'm talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room in the White House. And this certainly must be the most exciting telephone call ever made here on Earth. I just can't tell you how proud we all are. For every American this has to be the proudest day of their lives. And for people all over the world, I'm sure they too join with us in recognising what a tremendous achievement this is. For one priceless moment in the whole history of Man...... MacDonalds Hamburger Construction works And he's looking for life Looking for life to wipe out He's looking for life to stamp out He's looking for life to grind out He's looking for life, so mind out I hope you brought your credit card with you, and I hope you know how to drive on these long, lonely freeways and intersections we've got up here. We've got two cars in the garage, two cars in the garage, and drum-majorettes in white ankle socks and baton twirling on Sundays. We've got stripes and the stars and Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Mars.... ________________________________________________________________________ URBAN GUERILLA ( - Brock - ) I'm an urban guerilla I make bombs in my cellar I'm a derelict dweller I'm a potential killer I'm a street fighting dancer I'm a revolutionary romancer My rising sign is Cancer I'm a two-tone panther So let's not talk of love and flowers And things that don't explode We've used up all of our magic powers Trying to do it in the road I'm a political bandit And you don't understand it You took my dream and canned it It is not the way I planned it I'm society's destructor I'm a petrol bomb constructor I'm a cosmic light conductor I'm the people's debt collector So watch out Mr. Business Man Your empire's about to blow I think you'd better listen, man In case you did not know _________________________________________________________________________ Utopia '84 ========== Utopia, Utopia, Utopia Welcome to Utopia Planet of your wildest dreams Where everbody drives a Cadillac car And the streets are paved with hamburgers And the rivers run with Watney's draught Red Barrel Utopia, where all your needs are catered for Anticipated, calculated All your wants are monitored, programmed, computer formulated We know you will be very happy here Nobody has complained Yet...... ___________________________________________________________________________ Valium Ten ---------- When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Riding in my car at night She began to scream and fight She began to moan and shout When I got my valium out When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Moan and shout Moan and shout..... _________________________________________________________________________ VIRGIN OF THE WORLD (Experiment with Destiny) [Church of Hawkwind version] In the mirrors of myth The secrets of these timeless layers unfold Their echoes in the future Traces of times past untold Is there anything left to me In this experiment with destiny [lyrics printed in Church of Hawkwind booklet but not used] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIRGIN OF THE WORLD [Sonic Attack version] ( - Bainbridge - ) The fire's burned, the ashes spread The lifted light hears all that's said We are undead _________________________________________________________________________ Void City ========= There is nothing wrong with your television set Do not attempt to adjust the picture We are controlling the transmission If we wish to make it louder We will bring up the volume If we wish to make it softer We will tune it to a whisper We will control the horizontal We will control the vertical We can roll the image, make it flutter We can change the focus to a soft blur Or sharpen it to crystal clarity For the next hour, sit quietly And we will control all that you see and hear We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set You are about to participate in a great adventure You are about to experience the awe and mystery Which reaches from the inner mind To The Outer Limits Void City here we come... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waiting for Nati ================ ????????????? It was bursting out in Spring An energy to drown everything You and I ????? ????? love On the first day I did declare to you Not before I never felt the way I do You and I We fell in love Now it's Spring again Yes a whole year has passed And that old cosmic magic has worked at last It's your birthday ??????????? It's there for all to see Yes it's growing and feeling ????? Nati, Nati You made me feel a man at last And she's waiting and breathing And loving and feeling And you to me Nati ???? child of love Oh little child of freedom Shine like a god You made me feel a man at last And we're living and breathing And feeling and loving And you for me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waiting for Tomorrow ==================== Moon streaming through the trees I wonder what this means Clouds forming into swords Shining like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Words written in the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots are circling Waiting for the unforseen Red alert goes through the world The heavens are opening Run to the shelter nearest you Our planet's running out of steam Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Moon turning red, the trees are dead I wonder what this means Clouds have changed to sheets of mist Like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Stars are fading from the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots land Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen...... ________________________________________________________________________ The War I Survived ================== Death comes like a glacier from the peaks of all wars Reason and logic, the generals cry "more" Bodies in gullies, contortionist poses Fogged by the scent of mustard gas and roses Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five As buildings belch bombs to the haloed Moon Entrust this landscape to the barren gloom A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart Who'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Mischief rides high upon the martyr's back Giving further credence for unprovoked attack Yet in their use can these shadows have form Armies create circles, sparks for the dawn Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five There's only bombs, nobody's left alive Take me back to the war I survived These were people like you and I Take me back to the war I survived ________________________________________________________________________ WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME ( - ? - ) We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are standing on the edge And we're tired of making love We are the warriors at the edge of time We walk hand in hand with horror We ride side by side with death We are the warriors at the end of time Over poisoned crystal deserts Where the ruined towers shout We march towards our dying scarlet sun. Death Death to life! Death! Death to time! We bring sweet destruction now to everything. In our mirrored flashing armour By our secret, hideous helms We are the Angels of our ruin And we climb obsidian mountains On our final, dreadful quest Crossing lakes which cry with pain as we pass by Death to all things living! Holy death will cleanse the world! Death, our standard! Death, our only joy We are the Warriors at the edge of time Death to earth and fire and water Death to light and air and sound Death to anger, love and sadness Death to death... and time... and space. On dead horses our dead riders Seek the last retreats of life Life betrayed us now we slay it Corpses locked in battle Dancing at the Edge of Time It's cold at the edge of time So cold on the edge of time ________________________________________________________________________ Warriors ======== We are the warriors at the edge of time We are Humanity's scythe to sweep this way and that And cut the Enemy down as weeds We are Humanity's spade to dig up the roots wherever they have grown We are Humanity's fire to burn the waste to the finest ash We are the wind which will blow the ash away As if it had never existed We will destroy those Enemies But we must first know the Enemies And the Enemies are the devils that hide in our minds And make us less than happy They make us less than happy We are the warriors at the edge of time We are the veterans of a savage truth We are the lost We are the last We are the betrayed We are the betrayed We are the betrayed................ ________________________________________________________________________ Wastelands of Sleep =================== Drifting through the wastelands of sleep Rivers formed by those who weep All missed by the wakeful mind Memories are left far behind But you can always return tomorrow Escape in sleep from all of your sorrows And then I can reach out for your touch Am I asking for too much? ____________________________________________________________________________ THE WATCHER ( - Kilminster - ) We are looking in on you now What do you think you can do now You're very small from way out here The last thing you will feel is fear I gave you the chance to do the right thing I gave you the chance to do the bright thing Now our sense is all disgusted Re-affirm you can't be trusted A world imprisoned screams with pain There are no leaders you can blame Your avarice has destroyed your sphere And there's no room for you out here This is the end now. ________________________________________________________________________ Watching the Grass Grow ======================= We are the Survivors The eternal survivors Androgynous energies Travelling through time Particle Accelerators Morality Degenerators Dadata Disseminators Cyclotron attenuators Hyperspatial Conflagrators MEST Integrators Well your neutron bomb neutralised your history Wiped cancer from the Earth, and mystery Now we're pushing over concrete Blowing up the rockery Watching the garden Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow We all know where the flowers went today Media explosion blew them all away After the thunder Always comes the rain We're coming up again Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow Post future reality, it's a better real world Post future reality, it's a real better world Post future super-reality, it's a real super world Post holocaust hilarity, it's a super real world Post future surreality, it's sure a surreal world Post future surreality, it's a real surreal world Tell me Doc Spock have you got all your answers Ephemeral vision recalling the dancers Picking up the pieces In a progress picture Taking samples to his curator Letting the grass grow Watching the grass grow Pieces of the omniversal zoo But will we survive? we always do We're coming up again We're coming up again We're coming up again Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow __________________________________________________________________________ WE TOOK THE WRONG STEP ( - Brock - ) Think about the things that we should have done before The way things are going the end is about to fall. We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago Take a look around and see the warnings close at hand Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago The morning sun is rising, casting rays across the land, Already nature's calling, take heed of the warning, We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago __________________________________________________________________________ WEB WEAVER ( - Brock - ) Larynx cries no longer heard A chord was struck that chilled the nerve It froze the time that we all lived The roles reversed to downward spin Is life finished or hung within The voices pleading went unheard And shattered membranes of our lives Hung suspended from the hives Where the harmony the sad voices waned _________________________________________________________________________ WELCOME TO THE FUTURE ( - Calvert - ) Welcome to the oceans in a labeled can, Welcome to the dehydrated lands, Welcome to the self-policed parade, Welcome to the neo-golden age, Welcome to the days you've made You are welcome You are welcome Welcome Welcome You are welcome You are welcome. __________________________________________________________________________ The Welcoming Hands of Space ============================ The stars are sprinkled in handfuls tonight They are something we can't crush or deface Rough cut diamonds in a juggler's palms The welcoming hands of Space The welcoming hands of Space Orbital junk and failed re-entries Unclear warheads and nuclear waste A fragile girdle, jet-propelled Into the welcoming hands of Space Into the welcoming hands of Space Fate decides, your gods provide They show us but one face We call it "All the Universe" The welcoming hands of Space The welcoming hands of Space Blind alleys, divine ironies Launch us out to the cold embrace To seek enclosure and completion In the welcoming hands of Space In the welcoming hands of Space Once we looked to the skies with bright-eyed vision But now we view them with suspicion We must be bold angels Seeking new realities We must be bold angels Seeking new trajectories Carry us from this dead horizon To the welcoming hands of Space To the welcoming hands of Space --------------------------------------------------------------------------- When the Going Gets Tough ========================= Way out in the jungle things aren't bright Looks like the natives are preparing to fight Sharpen their spears and rapping their shields It's time for the white man to take to the fields You know the saying folks But just a minute what's caused all the fuss? Police have blown in and made a big bust All that coca chewing and all that weed They've scooped the lot, a dastardly deed When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ So what's the score? Now it's lost An empty plane, who'll cover the cost? Fake a deal with the FBI Flying guns, they'll turn a blind eye You know the saying folks: When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ Who's gonna pay for all this? No more coca chewing No more smoking that weed What are we gonna do? We're all gonna turn into seeds Blown off into space And what can we do? No one will save the Human Race When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ __________________________________________________________________________ Where are They Now? =================== Where are you now? Where are you now? I look down from my lonely mountaintop Crumbling cities of a race that would not stop Only bloodshapes hover in my empty dream Where are you now? What do you do when you're going to faint? I tried so hard Do they explain? I cast my light The clouds remain The circle turns So we remain ___________________________________________________________________________ WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR ( - Brock - ) Lonely figures waiting, shadows on the hill Looking into valleys where everything is still Only death is lurking, the creeping sickness waits So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war Radiation wastelands in the setting sun Dust clouds they are gathering to obliterate the guns Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war __________________________________________________________________________ WINGS ===== ( - Davey -) I could see their dying note In the sky that is so old I remember where they once flew Where they sang to the morning dew Now their wings are soaked in oil Caged wings that can't unfurl No longer do we hear them sing No longer do we hear the fluttering Of wings Underneath the iron bird Their song cannot be heard Above the human sound Above the poisoned ground ___________________________________________________________________________ THE WIZARD BLEW HIS HORN ======================== The Great Hound Barked And the world turned white The Great Hound Sighed And the forest died The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The snow snake hissed And the world turned round The snow snake grinned In his fine cold sin When The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The horse wept blood And the Earth did groan The tall horse reared >From a lake of tears To seek a Champion To seek a Champion The world was bleak And the Earth did fear The Wizard's Horn The magic Horn So it screamed for a champion It screamed for a champion The eagle laughed And the world grew black It stretched giant claws And it snatched the Law And the Champion stirred in his sleep The Champion stirred in his sleep ________________________________________________________________________ Words of a Song =============== Switch on the TV, look at the screen There's money for a Rolls or a washing machine I pay my money and I pay my rent But everyday it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same Look out the window and it starts to rain Someone is saying "it's time to die" Send us some money and I'll tell you why I'll tell you why Broken cars in the street Do you really want to eat? Do you need all these things that you see on the screen? I drive my car when I go home It's hidden somewhere in the words of a song I pay my stamps and I pay my tax But it's not working and that's a fact ________________________________________________________________________ Xenomorph ========= Mine life be with thine zenomorphic cries You can't escape me once you are chosen The forces within me to take you over Chemical machine, assailants of mankind Skeletal life forms are born to be my toys Allotrious Mind Invaders Xenomorphic Liquidators Life will escape Now you've been chosen The force is within me Your life is over Inside I'm machine Counterfeit android I solely exist Simply to destroy Antibodies feel me You can't even see me Synthetically productive Xenomorphic blood test My blood type has raped tyou I'll have to sedate you You'll have to escape through The tunnel of light -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DREAMING ( - Brock - ) One more touch and then you'll see a world of hidden mystery, Visions of you know you're only dreaming Colours change, I stand upright Screaming souls in the night Visions of you know you're only dreaming Chaos all within my mind Try to reach and I wanna be with my own kind Visions of you know you're only dreaming. _________________________________________________________________________ YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT ( - Brock - Turner - ) You shouldn't do that, should do that You try so hard to get somewhere, They put you down, and cut your hair, They're saying you're no good, they just don't care, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. You shouldn't do that, should do that. You want so hard to get somewhere, With trees and flowers growing there, If you can't make it you're going spare, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. __________________________________________________________________________ YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT ( - Brock - ) I wandered far in lands unknown until I came to my earthly home Far away I found life's dream drifting on a silver beam, You'd better believe it, It's so easy to say. Travelling at twice the speed of light, Orion's stars are high tonight The gentle madness has touched my hand, now I'm just a cosmic man. __________________________________________________________________________ Your Secret's Safe With Me [Wishart song from '89 tour] ========================== Official prying, Mandy's crying Fever's up but still surviving Your secret's safe with me Your secret's safe with me Crossfire themes and electric beams Whitewashed walls and madman's dreams Your secret's safe with me Your secret's safe with me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ZAROZINIA Fire of destiny Fire of reality Zarozinia The burning of flesh Flames loving caress Zarozinia Water from a thousand tears Feeling of a thousand years Flows over me But the dream it is too real Cold reality of steel Zarozinia Hurt and wounded you return But deep down feel the anger burn Zarozinia ________________________________________________________________________ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 11:07:22 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:07:22 GMT Subject: Woops :-( Message-ID: Reply to Carl went to the list I think... Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa. P.S. Do we have Win95 background screens and screen savers in a Hawkish vein archived anywhere? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 11:37:34 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:37:34 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Shari Hill's message of Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: Shari Hill writes: > In short, I'm looking for imaginative rock along the lines of BOC or > _Hemispheres_-era Rush--something that sounds good and tells a good story or > paints a picture. You may want to try out some Eloy or Nektar albums too. I'd suggest Power and the Passion and Journey to the Centre of the Eye but I'm sure others will differ. > Shari FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 11:43:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:43:46 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: On tor 20 mar 1997 16.48 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > At 03:30 PM 3/20/97 GMT, you wrote: > > Are the Hawkwind lyrics files still on-line somewhere, or did they > > eventually get killed off for copyright reasons ...? > > Ehrm... I have them on my account here at my university... they are not > online but I can mail them to you if you want them. Ja vars?god! :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 11:56:14 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:56:14 GMT Subject: Woops :-( Message-ID: On tor 20 mar 1997 16.07 "M Holmes" wrote: > Reply to Carl went to the list I think... > Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa. ;) Thanks anyway though! Cheers, Carl From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Mar 20 12:09:20 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:09:20 EST Subject: OFF: Eloy Message-ID: >Shari Hill writes: >> In short, I'm looking for imaginative rock along the lines of BOC or >> _Hemispheres_-era Rush--something that sounds good and tells a good story or >> paints a picture. >You may want to try out some Eloy or Nektar albums too. I'd suggest Power >and the Passion and Journey to the Centre of the Eye but I'm sure others >will differ. Yeah, Eloy was the first band to come to my mind as well. If you don't mind the German accent on the vocals, Eloy is an excellent band. Haven't heard _Power & the Passion_, but I can heartily recommend _Colours_, _Ra_, _Silent Cries & Mighty Echoes_, _The Tides Return Forever_, and _Floating_, in about that order. Only problem is that they are only available as imports from Germany, so they'll cost US residents about US$20 each. Griffin supposedly released a "best of" CD last year, but I never say it, nor do I ever expect to, now. Only heard the one Nektar track from the _Supernatural Fairy Tales_ boxed set. Quite good, but also tough to find here in the states. If anyone has _any_ CDs by either of these bands for sale, please drop me a line! MWood From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Mar 20 12:21:58 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:21:58 -0600 Subject: HW: lyrics files? In-Reply-To: <9703201605.aa29948@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, M Holmes wrote: > A Day In The Office > =================== > > I pay my stamps and I pay my tax > I daren't stop working and that's a fact > And all I see on the TV screens > Are starving kids and war machines > Is this what I've been taught in school? > Is education the golden rule? Where is this song? It's obviously the basis for the middle part of "Back In the Box", but apparently it was available elsewhere as well. Thanks, Damon, who is probably missing some incredibly common knowledge From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 20 12:35:10 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 01:35:10 +0800 Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: QUEST wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > A Day In The Office > > =================== > > > > I pay my stamps and I pay my tax > > I daren't stop working and that's a fact > > And all I see on the TV screens > > Are starving kids and war machines > > Is this what I've been taught in school? > > Is education the golden rule? > > Where is this song? It's obviously the basis for the middle part of "Back > In the Box", but apparently it was available elsewhere as well. > > Thanks, > Damon, who is probably missing some incredibly common knowledge It was on the album Dave Brock and the Agents of Chaos William From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Mar 20 12:31:31 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:31:31 CST Subject: other/off: MM re: plagiarism??? Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Troy wrote: >> >yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, screaming, >> >hellsword! >> >> While at other times, it's a rather crass attempt at Freudian symbolism by a >> young writer who went on to much better things... >> :) > >....and to add fuel to the fire, some say that it is almost plagerism >(sp?) anyway...another time, tho. Them there's fightin' words, pilgrim, if yer referrin' to MM! ;-) FYI, Brock made Chronicles in conjunction with MM's permission, and writing on several tracks--so I'm curious to see why you choose to call it plagiarism, and where you mean to apply that stigma. Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Mar 20 12:39:58 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:39:58 +0100 Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: At 04:43 PM 3/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >On tor 20 mar 1997 16.48 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: >> At 03:30 PM 3/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >> > Are the Hawkwind lyrics files still on-line somewhere, or did they >> > eventually get killed off for copyright reasons ...? >> >> Ehrm... I have them on my account here at my university... they are not >> online but I can mail them to you if you want them. > > Ja vars?god! :) > >Cheers, >Carl > > Nej, vet du vad jag tror jag skiter i det. :-) Mike har ju varit s? duktig och postat allihopa till listan redan ju. :-) Fast om du vill ha dom ?nd? s? g?r det bra, men de ?r ju faktiskt precis likadana. :-) trevlig helg -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Mar 20 12:43:36 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:43:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: PT at Glastonbury Message-ID: Dear All: due to circumstances beyond my control, I have had to set to NOMAIL. If you need to get in touch, please send email to white at borg.med.ecu.edu. I hope to return later Best Wishes Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 20 04:52:55 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:52:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spirit In-Reply-To: <3330E9DD.6C34@pi.net> Message-ID: In message <3330E9DD.6C34 at pi.net>, Jerry writes >Jon Browne wrote: >> OB CD - Spirit/remasters/12 Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus > >Hey Jon, what is this 'remasters' CD? Could you please tell me what the label >and the >cat# are? > >Thanks, >Jerry The usual process - 20-bit digitally remastered, with the now obligatory extra tracks, (in the UK) on the Epic/Legacy label. 1st 4 albums given the treatment. Not in a box this time though, but they are only 6.99 UKP. I've only two of them so far : Spirit : Spirit #485175 2 Spirit : 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus #485173 2 You can apparently request a catalog at http://www.sony.com/Music/TheVault/Lagacy but I haven't been there yet so no endorsement! -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Mar 19 12:37:15 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:37:15 -0700 Subject: OFF-test Message-ID: sorry my mailer is malfunctioning. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 20 12:46:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:46:25 +0000 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes >....and to add fuel to the fire, some say that it is almost plagerism >(sp?) anyway...another time, tho. > > Troy Pardon? Who has he plagerised? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 20 04:55:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:55:05 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: <889.5T61T1532@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <889.5T61T1532 at vossnet.co.uk>, simon writes >I was at the gig this album was recorded at (Brentford Red Lion). Who was support that night? Mournblade or local "talent" Mixed Blood? I saw Huwy twice at the Red Lion. Erm, there couldn't have been more than 30 people at either show....... -- Jon Browne From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Thu Mar 20 13:36:49 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:36:49 -0800 Subject: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Message-ID: Browsing the Rhino on-line catalog (www.rhino.com), I spotted a compilation titled Metal Age: The Roots of Metal. On the idle speculation that something of interest might be included I looked further, to find a fairly interesting assortment of tracks, including: Hawkwind - Silver Machine (duh) Motorhead - Ace of Spades (duh) BOC - Hot Rails to Hell (!) other tracks include UFO, Robin Trower, Wishbone Ash, Status Quo, Cheap Trick, Spooky Tooth, Ten Years After, The Runaways, Johnny Winter/Rick Derringer (guess the track!), Beck Bogert Appice, Bachman Turner Overdrive, West Bruce & Laing, and Angel. Not a bad disc for 11.98..... scorch From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 20 13:58:03 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:58:03 -0600 Subject: BOC and Other Stuff Message-ID: Theo>The wheeze fest will be bad enough, what with 3OC not even headlining [I presume] and playing for a half-hour. A good reason to skip the wheezer fests, unless you want to see all the bands that day. FoFP>Does anyone have a current email address for Rudy? J. Swartz>"Last one I had was: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV" Thats the one and its working again, at least today. I have a Deep Purple Boot tape he's been helping me out with. His server has been screwey for a while. Catch him while you can FoFP. Shari> 'Derek mentioned I might like Hawkwind, too, but I haven't been able to find any around here. Could someone give me an idea of what they're like before I special order it? " Try starting with Live Chronicles either version. Worked for this BOC fan who knew nothing about HW. If your in to good jamming I also reccomend Live 79, bound to be cheaper than Chronicles. >Any other Q'ryche fans out there think the Lady In Black would be a > great cover for BOC? > I think The Roads to Madness would be cool, or Child of Fire. Troy Road to Madness could work, real interesting possibilities. Never considerd Child of Fire though, will have to re-spin it to see. >yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, screaming, >hellsword! Depends on which end of the sword your on. 8>). L8er lil ab ob cd - Thunder Seven - Triumph "Qouta Complete" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 20 05:02:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:02:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Stacia - Douglas ITJ In-Reply-To: <3330BF80.1003@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <3330BF80.1003 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes > Not realy an answer, but is that Bridgett on the cover of (the >infamous) "Live and Rare"? I think so. What I'd like to know is howcum "Douglas In The Jungle" has now been packaged as a) "The Best Of Hawkwind, b) Rare, c) part of a "History Of Hawkwind" etc. etc. Does *anyone* rate this particular choon? -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 20 13:34:40 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:34:40 -0700 Subject: OFF- Eloy Message-ID: Nektar-Recycled and Remember the Future are excellent. Every Eloy album is pretty much good too, though Ocean gets a bit heavy handed. Ghosts, Time to Turn, Silent Cries Mighty Echoes, Floating are all great albums. And yes they do cost, $21 usually. The best of part 1 is a fine collection of the older stuff, part 2 is not worth it, to much is missed IMO. dane From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Mar 20 14:33:37 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:33:37 -0500 Subject: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Message-ID: Angel? They should be on the "Roots of the Bouffant" collection. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Mar 20 14:37:20 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 05:37:20 +1000 Subject: HW: Stacia - Douglas ITJ Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <3330BF80.1003 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox > writes > > Not realy an answer, but is that Bridgett on the cover of (the > >infamous) "Live and Rare"? > > I think so. What I'd like to know is howcum "Douglas In The Jungle" has > now been packaged as a) "The Best Of Hawkwind, b) Rare, c) > part of a "History Of Hawkwind" etc. etc. > > Does *anyone* rate this particular choon? Well... It -was- one of the first HW songs that I "got into" on a mind-altered evening, way back when... And those chimpanzees certainly -are- on their knees... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu Mar 20 15:31:32 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:31:32 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: <> Thanks . . . I'll keep them in mind. I have this sneaky feeling I'll have almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . S. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 20 15:28:31 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:28:31 -0500 Subject: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Message-ID: ---------- From: Chris Baker[SMTP:Nebosuke at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 2:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Angel? They should be on the "Roots of the Bouffant" collection. Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And he's not queer, no, he's not gay, he's just a little fond of chiffon in a wrist ar-ray-he-hay.... "Oh Punky, isn't it romantic???" (Anyone know how to do an FZ emoticon?) Actually, their second release had a couple of good songs onnit. Especially "The Fortune" which was a nice synthy-mellotronish thang...Embarrassing as hell, though, buying the LP. ObjCDPlayer: FSOL / Dead Cities Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 20 15:36:08 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:36:08 -0500 Subject: OFF- Eloy Message-ID: You may want to snag a copy of CHRONICLES VOL 1 & 2. This was a remake of all of the old Eloy "hits", using modern recording techniques, with the exception of the more modern, already digital, recordings. For pure power, I'd go for METROMANIA first and then THE TIDES RETURN FOREVER. PERFORMANCE isn't bad, either. In fact, the only ones that I really don't care for are INSIDE, FLOATING and POWER & THE PASSION (lyrics are just down-right silly, but the music is good. The first two sound like a Jethro Tull-imitation band and not a very good one. Fortunately, they got better...) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1617 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 20 15:17:19 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:17:19 -0700 Subject: (from Shari again) New Message-ID: Eloy is easy, hell, Rasputins Concord carries them and they don't carry squat! Nektar shouldn't be to hard either, any decent store will carry these items. Just depends where you live I suppose, for HW stuff, i hit several stores in Berkeley or, everything is availible via mail order! DAne From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Mar 20 16:15:07 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:15:07 EST Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: <970320153009_987498299@emout07.mail.aol.com>; from "Shari Hill" at Mar 20, 97 3:31 pm Message-ID: >In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: >I have this sneaky feeling I'll have >almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . Nope. It'll be *MUCH* harder to find Eloy & Nektar CDs. :) MWood From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 20 16:49:53 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:49:53 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: >I have this sneaky feeling I'll have >almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . Nope. It'll be *MUCH* harder to find Eloy & Nektar CDs. :) MWood Dunno about that. Hit up a couple of stores on the way home tonight; there is no longer a bin card at my local Best Buy for Hawkwind (and they used to have a fantastic selection) and the nearby Borders had the F&R and a couple of other comps, but that was it. Good thing I got all my HW already... objCDPlayer: Jade Warrior / Elements (this is GOOD STUFF! Just wish HORIZEN was on CD...) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1739 bytes Desc: not available URL: From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Mar 20 19:50:10 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:50:10 GMT Subject: HW: Stacia - Douglas ITJ Message-ID: Jon Browne said: >What I'd like to know is howcum "Douglas In The Jungle" has now been >packaged as a) "The Best Of Hawkwind, b) Rare, c) part of a >"History Of Hawkwind" etc. etc. > >Does *anyone* rate this particular choon? I do. Well okay there may be better songs but I love the voices in it and the way everyone is tlaking and sining at once. It's a bit of fun really, I mean what does Mr crocadile suspose to mean? Howevet han the fact it's an animal in the jugle and Cempanises on their knees? I mean, stupid, and silly. Howver these are my favoutit bits of the songs so yeah I like it. It's better than some of ITBOTFTBD, soem of Church of hawkwind and the song jack of shadows (only mentioned since it was one I remeber) and other songs I've heard. Does any one know who's on the recording exactly? Timothy Fintan Langner 96163497 at Brookes.ac.uk timlang at hotmail.com "I like all music, if pigs fly, but check out Quo, Hawkwind, Blues" (Timmy) *************TUNE IN FOR BIGGEST THING SINCE RADIO FRIST STARTED************* * Oxygen 107.9 - A shake up in broadcasting has just happened thanks to us. * ***************************************************************************** * Talk Radio - That's what I said: Talk Radio so Free call 0500 105389. * * For those of you how don't live in oxford it's the next best thing. * *You were once a kid and you must remeber Tommy boyd so check out from 2-4pm* ***************************************************************************** From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 20 21:56:25 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:56:25 +1000 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal In-Reply-To: <9703181543.ZM3279@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Funny that Frank suggested the web "ring" idea ... I just got asked to join this .... the idea might just work for the HW pages too! http://www.bajazzo.com/webtrips/ Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 20 23:13:16 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:13:16 -0500 Subject: New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >>[snip] Right now Griffin's demise seems >>to have made finding them in normal retail chains around here suddenly >>rather difficult, you'll probably have to check through used stuff or order >>something (not too many HW people seem to sell their stuff to used >>CD places, generally if you find a bunch it means something like a >>divorce or a death...). > ^^^^^^^ > >what? > >\\joe "You can take my car, you can take the house, you can have the >children, you can take the money, but take your bloody hands off my hawkwind >bin!!!" E. And I suppose most BOC-L'ers wills mandate that when they die, they want to be buried with their collections.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 20 23:13:21 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:13:21 -0500 Subject: lineup - langtree '86? Message-ID: >On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, M Holmes wrote: > >> Does anyone have this info? >> >> FoFP >> >If you mean Langtree 96 then it was just the DB, AD, RC and RT. RT's son >also apperaed on stage, but didn't do a great deal. There were the 2 >firebreathers (Kris and Scouse(?)) and ISTR the belly dancer. I am assuming there is some other Langtree than the one I'm familiar with (in Texas, on the Rio Grande notable only as the residence of judge Roy Bean) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From Shadoweye at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 00:19:43 1997 From: Shadoweye at AOL.COM (Dave Price) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:19:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Electric Tepee CD booklet Message-ID: well, i can tell you that my copy, which may or may not be a promo, has a picture of the castlerigg stone circle on the inside of a one piece booklet. no lyrics, just 4 addresses of clubs and a brief thank you from richard. From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Fri Mar 21 02:17:13 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:17:13 -0800 Subject: HW taping (NIK) Message-ID: When NIK is touring the u.s. he allows you to tap right into the soundboard, AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......... ,BB spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) updated... http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 21 04:33:15 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:33:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Stacia - Douglas ITJ In-Reply-To: <199703210050.AAA06719@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199703210050.AAA06719 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >It's better than >some of ITBOTFTBD, soem of Church of hawkwind and the song jack of shadows Better than "Jack Of Shadows"?!?@%&*! >In my original mailing, I did say that I'm a fan of BOC and Moorcock--but let >me say it's _not_ just the Moorcock stuff that interests me. Along with >_Fire of Unknown Origin_, I've noticed _Imaginos_ has taken up permanent >residence in the tape deck (I haven't found it on CD yet). _Agents of >Fortune_ is another one I've found that I like--it must be the >X-Files/Millenium fan in me. Whoa! You haven't even got to BOC's best albums yet! (_Secret Treaties_ and _Tyranny and Mutation_, by the way.) Strikes me you might like Calvert-era HW best - the late Bob Calvert was lead vocalist and main lyricist for roughly 76-79 (although he was associated with HW for much logner), and his songs usually have a tale to tell. If you like the idea of a song that starts, "I would have liked you to have been deep-frozen too," then check out "Spirit of the Age" on _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ [1977]. The other strong album from that time is _PXR5_ [1979]. Off-list, you ought to go and get a copy of _The Evil One_ by Roky Erickson and the Aliens, which is not a million miles away in tone from the best BOC - and you'll probably be hooked from the opening riff to "Two-Headed Dog"... and no X-Files type should miss tracks like "Creature with the Atom Brain": "these murders are being perpetrated by dead men/charged with atom rays!" Roky himself actually is from Mars! Enjoy! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 21 06:22:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:22:00 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Shari Hill's mail of Thu, 20 Mar 97 11:02 -0500 Message-ID: On 20 Mar 16:02, Shari Hill wrote: > In my original mailing, I did say that I'm a fan of BOC and Moorcock--but let > me say it's _not_ just the Moorcock stuff that interests me. Along with > _Fire of Unknown Origin_, I've noticed _Imaginos_ has taken up permanent > residence in the tape deck (I haven't found it on CD yet). _Agents of > Fortune_ is another one I've found that I like--it must be the > X-Files/Millenium fan in me. The most recent Hawkwind album was all about Alien abduction, if that interests you. In fact I should say their two most recent albums, because they did a studio album (Alien 4, 1995) and a live album (Love In Space, 1996). Most people seem to prefer the live album. The production is better on Alien (in fact its one of the best produced albums I've heard) but LiS is still pretty well produced, and has more energy. Mind you, these two albums are different from their earlier work, with a different singer. Then again, all their word is different in one way or another, and their line-up has changed many, many, times. Hawkwind's output in the 90's has seen slightly less guitar and slightly more synthesisers. (In the case of "It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous" and "White Zone", *much* less guitar and much more synth -- though this doesn't apply to the live album "The Business Trip"). I rather like it; several of my current top ten HW albums are 90s albums. My top 5 is a bit more balanced: California Brainstorm (1991, live) Live Chronicles (1985, live) Hall of the Mountain Grill (1974, studio) Love In Space (1996, live) Quark, Strangeness & Charm (1977, studio) with Palace Springs, Space Ritual, PXR5, Alien 4 and The Business Trip all "bubbling under". But the list varies depending on my mood anyway. Maybe Carl's idea of a compilation tape makes the most sense. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Mar 21 07:09:59 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:09:59 +0100 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >Hawkwind's output in the 90's has seen slightly less guitar and slightly >more synthesisers. (In the case of "It Is The Business Of The Future To >Be Dangerous" and "White Zone", *much* less guitar and much more synth -- >though this doesn't apply to the live album "The Business Trip"). I rather >like it; several of my current top ten HW albums are 90s albums. My top >5 is a bit more balanced: > California Brainstorm (1991, live) > Live Chronicles (1985, live) > Hall of the Mountain Grill (1974, studio) > Love In Space (1996, live) > Quark, Strangeness & Charm (1977, studio) >with Palace Springs, Space Ritual, PXR5, Alien 4 and The Business Trip >all "bubbling under". But the list varies depending on my mood anyway. > >Maybe Carl's idea of a compilation tape makes the most sense. ok, which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a "The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" WoteOT - Assault and Battery/Golden Void Levitation - Levitation, Who's Gonna Win the War QS&C - Spirit of the Age Electric Tepee - LSD etc, etc... >Dave. \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 07:11:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:11:45 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: On fre 21 mar 1997 11.03 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > Off-list, you ought to go and get a copy of _The Evil One_ by Roky > Erickson and the Aliens, Speaking of which, I've seen a few 13th Floor Elevators' CDs around recently. _Bull of the Woods_ and, um, some live one. Are the any good? I have a vague recollection that not all their CD-available material is of the best. Cheers, Carl From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Mar 21 07:46:24 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:46:24 +1100 Subject: other/off: MM re: plagiarism??? In-Reply-To: <0007gkmwmicm.H0000d99000bc263@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Troy wrote: > > >> >yeah, sometimes a black, screaming, hell sword is just a black, > screaming, > >> >hellsword! > >> > >> While at other times, it's a rather crass attempt at Freudian > symbolism by a > >> young writer who went on to much better things... > >> :) > > > >....and to add fuel to the fire, some say that it is almost plagerism > >(sp?) anyway...another time, tho. > > Them there's fightin' words, pilgrim, if yer referrin' to MM! ;-) > > FYI, Brock made Chronicles in conjunction with MM's permission, and > writing on > several tracks--so I'm curious to see why you choose to call it > plagiarism, and > where you mean to apply that stigma. > NO< I am not saying HW were plagiarists, I am saying that *some* say MM was the plagiarist.....another day, tho. :/ Isn't this common knowledge N-E-way?????? Troy > Allan. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com > http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 21 07:40:42 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:40:42 UT Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators Message-ID: > Speaking of which, I've seen a few 13th Floor Elevators' CDs around >recently. _Bull of the Woods_ and, um, some live one. Are the any good? >I have a vague recollection that not all their CD-available material is of >the best. There's almost as many dodgy Roky/Elevators releases around as Hawkwind - probably even more in proportion to genuine albums! I don't have them all by any means, as I got burned by _Live at the Ritz_, which (like _Yuri Gagarin_) is a crappy tape of what sounds like was probably an amazing gig. My recommended Roky list: Elevators: _Psychedelic Sounds of..._ (includes their sole "hit", "You're Gonna Miss Me". Seminal Texan psychdelia from when LSD was still legal!) Roky/Aliens: _The Evil One_ (most tracks are also on _I Think Of Demons_, and are from the 1980 sessions which spawned the overlapping LPs _Roky Erickson and the Aliens_ and _The Evil One_ - this CD collects all 15, including the essential "Bloody Hammer") Roky/Explosives: _Casting the Runes_ (live) (I have seen this on CD! Not sure of the legitimacy of the release, but it's truly excellent. Some track overlap with the above, but essential versions.) Roky: _Gremlins Have Pictures_ (live/studio - great version of "Heroin", and the plangent "Warning (Social and Political Injustices)") plus: various artists: _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye_ - superb tribute album with absolutely stellar line-up, including ZZ Top, REM, Julian Cope, Jesus and Mary Chain, Butthole Surfers, Thin White Rope, Primal Scream... After that tread very carefully! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Mar 21 07:48:25 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:48:25 +0100 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: hawkjoe wrote; >ok, >which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a >"The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" > >WoteOT - Assault and Battery/Golden Void >Levitation - Levitation, Who's Gonna Win the War WHAT!?! Johan f?r sjutton gubbar! :-) Guys, you have to explain this to me why should a Oyster like Levitation at all? This album is one of very few that I don't play LOUD on my stereo 'cause I would feel extremely embarrassed if my neighours could hear that I listen to so silly music. >QS&C - Spirit of the Age Agree on this one though... But Damnation Alley has to be included... it's the only way to teach a BOC-fan why violins are essential in rock-music... >Electric Tepee - LSD >etc, etc... Doremi -Time We Left this World Today Urban Guerilla could fit in too. -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 08:11:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:11:39 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > >Maybe Carl's idea of a compilation tape makes the most sense. > > ok, > which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a > "The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" > > WoteOT - Assault and Battery/Golden Void > Levitation - Levitation, Who's Gonna Win the War > QS&C - Spirit of the Age > Electric Tepee - LSD > etc, etc... It's difficult to say. I used to use a two C-90s (or maybe C-100s) of compiled Hawkwind to entrap newbies (They were named _A Brief History of Time_ ;) ;) I used the "Assault&Battery/Golden Void" from _Palace Springs_. Definitely, "Psych Warlords" from _HotMG_. "LSD" and "Mask of Morning" from _ET_. "Hassan I Sabha", "QS&C", "Spirit of the Age", "Damnation Alley" from the appropriate Calvert-era albums. "Levitation", "Shot Down in the Night" ... "War I Survived", "Song of the Swords", "Needle Gun", "Dreaming City". I think the "Magnu" from _LC_. I think the Brock-sung "Motorhead". "Born to Go" from _SR_. "Master of the Universe", a difficult choice, but I think from _SR_ also. "Time we Left" from _Doremi_, of course ... "Lord of Light" from somewhere. "We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago". A bunch of others. _Alien 4_ and _LiS_ weren't out then, of course, but I think both "Alien I Am" and "Sputnik Stan" are must haves. Possibly "Vega", actually, which is a nice example of ambienty HW. Cheers, Carl From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 21 07:59:04 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:59:04 UT Subject: other/off: MM re: plagiarism??? Message-ID: If you mean that MM cribbed the "black sword" notion from Poul Anderson's classic _The Broken Sword_, then he's openly acknowledged the source. If you don't mean that, please expand! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 08:19:27 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:19:27 GMT Subject: HW HLL In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:55:05 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <889.5T61T1532 at vossnet.co.uk>, simon > writes > >I was at the gig this album was recorded at (Brentford Red Lion). > > Who was support that night? Mournblade or local "talent" Mixed Blood? > I saw Huwy twice at the Red Lion. Erm, there couldn't have been more > than 30 people at either show....... He was playing a gig somewhere the other night and a someone on the Porcupine Tree mailing list thought highly of him. I thoroughly enjoyed the show he did up in Edinburgh a year or so ago but it was a very small venue, wasn't well advertised and he did turn up just a tad or so later than his advertised appearance time - late enough for at least 3 games of pool to have been played in the meantime! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 08:22:37 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:22:37 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970321124825.00903480@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > WHAT!?! Johan f?r sjutton gubbar! :-) Guys, you have to explain this to me > why should a Oyster like Levitation at all? This album is one of very few that I > don't play LOUD on my stereo 'cause I would feel extremely embarrassed if my > neighbours could hear that I listen to so silly music. I feel obliged to come to the defence of `Levitation' - especially the title track, it's quite good stuff, it's just space-rock not blanga, and not what you expect under the name of HW. I maintain that if some other space-rock band had produced `Levitation' we'd mostly acclaim it. You may of course differ - it was heavily sampled on the first HW tape I ever got (the Elite comp. `Spirit of the Age') so I have an early attachment to it. > >QS&C - Spirit of the Age > > Agree on this one though... But Damnation Alley has to be included... it's the > only way to teach a BOC-fan why violins are essential in rock-music... Right with you here. Never understand how anyone can fail to like this. > Doremi -Time We Left this World Today Might be a little, um, rough for a newbie? On the other hand, if they're going to bite then feeding 'em the heavy stuff early is probably a good way to ensure addiction - in the words of one of my converts, "Nothing is quite the same after `Space Ritual', is it?" > Urban Guerilla could fit in too. > > -Daniel But you _would_ say that ;-) /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ P.S. Shari, you don't appear to list `Cultosaurus Erectus' in your BOC collection! You must remedy this immediately, it's vastly better than FoUO (unless you like the synth-pop tinges of `After Dark' and `Don't Turn Your Back'). And I stand with Andy Gilham's comments about `Tyranny and Mutation' and `Secret Treaties' too... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 09:04:10 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:04:10 GMT Subject: HW: lyrics files? Message-ID: > --On tor 20 mar 1997 18.39 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > > Nej, vet du vad jag tror jag skiter i det. :-) > > Mike har ju varit s? duktig och postat allihopa till listan redan ju. > > :-) > > Fast om du vill ha dom ?nd? s? g?r det bra, men de ?r ju faktiskt > > precis likadana. :-) Tack, men nej tack! :) One enormous Hawkwind lyric file is tillr?cklig ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 09:10:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:10:45 GMT Subject: BOC: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: On fre 21 mar 1997 13.22 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > > P.S. Shari, you don't appear to list `Cultosaurus Erectus' in your BOC > > collection! You must remedy this immediately, it's vastly better than > > FoUO (unless you like the synth-pop tinges of `After Dark' and `Don't > > Turn Your Back'). I however have an early affectation for _FoUO_, with "Fire of Unknown Origin", "Burning For You" (still a good song, even if grossly overplayed), "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", and the immortal "Heavy Metal: the Black & Silver" :) Cheers, Carl ObTape: Ozric Tentacles, The Junction, Cambridge, England, 20 March 1997. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 21 09:35:41 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:35:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > I however have an early affectation for _FoUO_, with "Fire of Unknown Origin", "Burning For You" (still a good song, even if grossly overplayed), "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", and the immortal "Heavy Metal: the Black & Silver" :) Carl, you and I gotta stop drinking the same stuff or something - once again, I agree with you. ;-) FoUO probably also has some attachment to me as I got into BOC right around 1980, so it was the first "new" BOC release after I became a fan - it therefore got a lot of play on my **8-track** player when it came out. John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 21 09:36:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:36:00 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's mail of Fri, 21 Mar 97 13:09 +0100 Message-ID: On 21 Mar 12:09, Johan Edlundh wrote: > which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a > "The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" One of my friends was hooked by a tape that included one track from each album, in order, that another friend made up for him. I can't remember the track list exactly, but it went something like: Hurry On Sundown/Master Of The Universe/Lord Of Light/Brainstorm/ Psychedelic Warlords/Assault & Battery + The Golden Void/Steppenwolf/ Spirit Of The Age/High Rise/Motorway City/Levitation/Angels Of Death/ On Arrival In Utopia/Social Alliance/Sleep Of 1000 Tears/Shade Gate/ Neon Skyline + Lost Chronicles/Images/Damnation Alley/Reefer Madness/ Right To Decide. Which would make a pretty strong compilation, and give some idea of the changing sound over the years. I think it took two tapes though... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 20 20:38:51 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:38:51 +0800 Subject: OFF- Eloy Message-ID: > For pure power, I'd go for METROMANIA first and then THE TIDES RETURN FOREVER. PERFORMANCE isn't bad, either. In fact, the only ones that I really don't care for are INSIDE, FLOATING and POWER & THE PASSION (lyrics are just down-right silly, but the music is good. The first two sound like a Jethro Tull-imitation band and not a very good one. Fortunately, they got better...) > I kinda think some of their later stuff sounds a bit too much like latter-day Pink Floyd. One track in particular on the album RA is almost identical to Learning to Fly. I seem to recall METROMANIA being rather Floydish as well. William From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Mar 21 09:40:39 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:40:39 +0100 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Jarrett wrote; > I feel obliged to come to the defence of `Levitation' - especially >the title track, it's quite good stuff, it's just space-rock not blanga, >and not what you expect under the name of HW. Well, when it comes to HW I think you can expect almost everything! ;-) >> Doremi -Time We Left this World Today > > Might be a little, um, rough for a newbie? I really love this one... and the "common BOC-fan" is usually addicted to their early stuff... if you can listen to "Transmaniacon MC" then you can listen to "Time We Left" without your ears falling off. > On the other hand, if >they're going to bite then feeding 'em the heavy stuff early is probably a >good way to ensure addiction - in the words of one of my converts, >"Nothing is quite the same after `Space Ritual', is it?" Haha -yes, something like that. > >> Urban Guerilla could fit in too. > >> -Daniel > > But you _would_ say that ;-) Oops!!! Thanx Jon, what would I do without you? ;-) -Daniel "ol-torstig" Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 20 20:43:58 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:43:58 +0800 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > >In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: > >I have this sneaky feeling I'll have > >almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . > > Nope. It'll be *MUCH* harder to find Eloy & Nektar CDs. :) > > MWood > > Dunno about that. Hit up a couple of stores on the way home tonight; there is no longer a bin card at my local Best Buy for Hawkwind (and they used to have a fantastic selection) and the nearby Borders had the F&R and a couple of other comps, but that was it. Good thing I got all my HW already... > Here in West Australia there's probably only 3 shops where you could get HW. Only one of these shops has a fair collection. The other 2 shops would only have about 2 or 3 titles per shop. You'd be VERY lucky to find any of the others. William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 21 10:10:49 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:10:49 PST Subject: OFF- Eloy In-Reply-To: <3331E6AB.5201@iinet.net.au>; from "William Duffy" at Mar 21, 97 9:38 am Message-ID: > > > For pure power, I'd go for METROMANIA first and then THE TIDES RETURN FOREVER. PERFORMANCE isn't bad, either. In fact, the only ones that I really don't care for are INSIDE, FLOATING and POWER & THE PASSION (lyrics are just down-right silly, but the mus> ic is good. The first two sound like a Jethro Tull-imitation band and not a very good one. Fortunately, they got better...) > > > I kinda think some of their later stuff sounds a bit too much like > latter-day Pink Floyd. One track in particular on the album RA is almost > identical to Learning to Fly. I seem to recall METROMANIA being rather > Floydish as well. > > William > Well, I _like_ Pink Floyd, especially the Roger Waters-era stuff. The PF influence on Eloy is unmistakeable for anything else, but I don't care. Considering that PF isn't doing the music that I care for anymore, it is nice to have someone picking up that torch (besides Porcupine Tree, which has kinda shed the PF influence on their new one SIGNIFY, which is a must-have!). I never thought of METROMANIA as being overly PF influenced (now, SILENT CRIES & MIGHTY ECHOES, there's a Floyd clone!). I thought that METROMANIA has a more "guitar-rock with synths" feel to it, basing my opinion on the title track, "Escape To The Heights" & "Nightriders". Almost has a touch of punkish agression to the release, but without the amaturishness that punk has. RA & "Learning To Fly", eh? Hmmm, now that you mention it, there is a bit of similarity. But not that much of a cop. They were both released within a year of each other (PF 1987 and RA 1988, I think. But I think that RA may have even been out before the PF release, at least on vinyl. CD's lagged the vinyl releases in them days.) so there may be some "spirit of the age" cross-pollen- ization there. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From corwin at ROPNET.RU Fri Mar 21 10:13:39 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:13:39 +0300 Subject: HW: Therapy's song Message-ID: Have you ever heard "Infernal Love" by Therapy?? If yes than you remember the song "A Moment Of Clarity". I think music and vocals on this song sound like Dave Brock's "Who's Gonna Win The War" but heavier. Did Therapy? steal music? How do you think? Corwin From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Mar 21 10:39:33 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:39:33 CST Subject: MM/plagiarism Message-ID: On Friday, March 21st, Andy Gilham wrote: >If you mean that MM cribbed the "black sword" notion from Poul Anderson's >classic _The Broken Sword_, then he's openly acknowledged the source. I don't believe I'd heard this before. Care to provide a quick synopsis, as well as when Anderson's book was pub'd? >If you don't mean that, please expand! I'll second that, again! Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Mar 21 11:30:11 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:30:11 +0800 Subject: OFF- Eloy Message-ID: > > I kinda think some of their later stuff sounds a bit too much like > > latter-day Pink Floyd. One track in particular on the album RA is almost > > identical to Learning to Fly. I seem to recall METROMANIA being rather > > Floydish as well. > > > > William > > > Well, I _like_ Pink Floyd, especially the Roger Waters-era stuff. The PF > influence on Eloy is unmistakeable for anything else, but I don't care. > Considering that PF isn't doing the music that I care for anymore, it is nice > to have someone picking up that torch (besides Porcupine Tree, which has kinda > shed the PF influence on their new one SIGNIFY, which is a must-have!). > > I never thought of METROMANIA as being overly PF influenced (now, SILENT CRIES > & MIGHTY ECHOES, there's a Floyd clone!). I thought that METROMANIA has a more > "guitar-rock with synths" feel to it, basing my opinion on the title track, > "Escape To The Heights" & "Nightriders". Almost has a touch of punkish > agression to the release, but without the amaturishness that punk has. > METROMANIA reminds me more of Roger Waters' solo recordings. It's still a great album though. My favourite Eloy album would be the one prior to that, the title of which has temporarily slipped my mind. I also liked SILENT CRIES... > RA & "Learning To Fly", eh? Hmmm, now that you mention it, there is a bit > of similarity. But not that much of a cop. They were both released within a > year of each other (PF 1987 and RA 1988, I think. But I think that RA may have > even been out before the PF release, at least on vinyl. CD's lagged the vinyl > releases in them days.) so there may be some "spirit of the age" cross-pollen- > ization there. > I think it was the song Rainbow which reminds me of Learning to Fly. I first found Ra after the Floyd album was released on CD, though as you say, it could have been out on LP a lot longer. Eloy would still be one of the few bands around to still stick to their musical roots, though. William From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 21 11:33:35 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:33:35 -0700 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > ok, > which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a > "The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" good question!! I did it the easy way-I have a really awesome friend who taped ALL the studio (and official live) HW over for me!! I also just recieved all but 2 of the Weird Tapes!! Whoooeeee!! Seriously though- I started with Warrior on the Edge of Time-and I was hooked from then on. Speaking of which-who has info on where to get my hands on a copy od WOTEOT on cd? I've tried ordering this through my fave music store-and they cannot get it!! I'm looking for a copy of the video too! I was sent a copy of the Video disc that was converted-it's very cool but hard to watch!! Any HW videos will work at this time!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Pam, I actually have a spare copy of Warrior (the Dojo pressing) I could trade/sell you, if you like. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 10:44 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > ok, > which incarnation of which hw tracks should fill a C-90 tape for a > "The Hawkwind Abduction of the Common BOC Fan" good question!! I did it the easy way-I have a really awesome friend who taped ALL the studio (and official live) HW over for me!! I also just recieved all but 2 of the Weird Tapes!! Whoooeeee!! Seriously though- I started with Warrior on the Edge of Time-and I was hooked from then on. Speaking of which-who has info on where to get my hands on a copy od WOTEOT on cd? I've tried ordering this through my fave music store-and they cannot get it!! I'm looking for a copy of the video too! I was sent a copy of the Video disc that was converted-it's very cool but hard to watch!! Any HW videos will work at this time!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Seriously though- I started with Warrior on the Edge of Time-and I was > hooked from then on. Speaking of which-who has info on where to get my > hands on a copy od WOTEOT on cd? I've tried ordering this through my > fave music store-and they cannot get it!! I'm looking for a copy of the > video too! I was sent a copy of the Video disc that was converted-it's > very cool but hard to watch!! Any HW videos will work at this time!! WOTEOT video? You don't mean the Chronicles of the Black Sword video, by any chance? I don't think - in fact, unless I'm missing some -VITAL- information, that there IS a WOTEOT vid. But, if you do have a copy of the laser disk version of the Chonicles video, does it have the extra Moorcock tracks at the end? If so, I would beg thee for thy assistance in helping a poor student who hast no access to the famed video disk system, and to dub a copy of the four Moorcock songs at the end? I would be ever so grateful, as I think it's a cheep trick of visionary to release these extra tracks only on the video disk version... In fact, I think I'll include a couple more pleases to re-enforce my plea: "please please please please please please..." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 21 12:20:07 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:20:07 EST Subject: Eloy - where to buy in US Message-ID: On the recommendation of a fellow BOCLer, I got a catalog from a guy named Doug Larson. He runs his own mail order service (a la Ranjit) out of New Jersey. He also has an email addy. This guy carries a huge selection of Eloy CDs at the best USA price I've seen yet, around US$16 each for most. Note that a few Eloy CDs are still uncommon even as imports, and cannot be found for less than around US$25. Anyway, I ordered 4 Eloys from him and they came in quickly. Info: Doug Larson 62 Crane St Caldwell, NJ 07006 (201) 226 - 6332 voice (201) 226 - 1258 fax douglars at hicom.net As far as what to buy, there was a distinct change in Eloy's sound around 1980+. My favorite period is clearly the older sound, which has drawn many comparisons (not all good) to mid-seventies Pink Floyd. This includes: 'Ocean' and 'Dawn' (2 releases that together tell a story - the best!), 'Colours', 'Power and the Passion', 'Silent Cries Cries and Mighty Echoes', and 'Live' (another great introduction). HWref: 'SC&ME' contains some very overt references to HW, with lyrics such as "..warrior on the edge of time.." and "..spirit of the age..". This album originally turned me on to Eloy thru the HW connection. The later Eloy period (which I care less for) covers albums like 'Ra', 'Metromania', 'Destination', 'Planets', and 'The Tides Return Forever' (best of the later bunch IMHO, but expensive). I *did* pick up the Griffin 'Best of Eloy: 1972-75' collection, which is drawn from the 3 albums 'Inside', 'Floating', and 'Power and the Passion' (all three came just before 'Dawn'). This is an excellent low-price purchase for any USA Eloy fan! It is also the cheapest Eloy CD you will find in the USA... :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 21 12:20:37 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:20:37 EST Subject: Crohinga Well Message-ID: I finally picked up a copy of the excellent 'Crohinga Well' #12 prog-zine, from Delerium. This mag contains a long-running history and discography of the HW clan, as well as every solo release, and most band members on these solo releases. I was truly impressed with the depth of info provided. This particular issue apparently wraps up an 11-issue summary of HW, with particular focus on Simon House (and High Tide, Third Ear Band, Magic Muscle, Spiral Realms), Harvey Bainbridge (and Alman Mulo & solo), Tim Blake, and Del Dettmar (and Melodic Energy Commision). There is so much info here on obscure releases, items recorded-but-never-released, shifting band membership, and key participants in each (solo) release. Even though I've collected many of the solo items described here, there were many more pieces of info that I had never heard before. Crohinga Well pulled their info from just about every Hawk-zine in existence. Does anybody out there have any back issues of Crohinga Well that they would be willing to part with? (sale or trade?) I'm most interested (of course) in the HW articles from the preceding issues...even photocopies would be of value to me. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Mar 21 12:53:17 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (WAKE ME WHEN IT'S 80 DEGREES) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:53:17 EST Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Daniel said: >>WoteOT - Assault and Battery/Golden Void >>Levitation - Levitation, Who's Gonna Win the War >WHAT!?! Johan f?r sjutton gubbar! :-) Guys, you have to explain this to me >why should a Oyster like Levitation at all? This album is one of very few that I >don't play LOUD on my stereo 'cause I would feel extremely embarrassed if my >neighours could hear that I listen to so silly music. Besides the inflection of the last "Levitatioooonnn!" and the chorus to "Who's Gonna Win the War", I find Levitation to be one of the best HW albums for musicianship, and production. As a BOC fan it was the easiest for me to relate to, along with HotMG. To me QS&C is far more embarrassing to play in front of others. I think the album is great, but to me it is an acquired taste, especially "Spirit of the Age" and "Days of the Underground". >>QS&C - Spirit of the Age Again, the lyrics are wonderful, but the music and singing kill this one for me. >Doremi -Time We Left this World Today "Lord Of Light" would work as well. I wish I had this on the remaster! >Urban Guerilla could fit in too. I agree! Brian >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 From ellis at SES.COM Fri Mar 21 13:00:44 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:00:44 -0600 Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators Message-ID: >My recommended Roky list: > >Elevators: _Psychedelic Sounds of..._ (includes their sole "hit", "You're >Gonna Miss Me". Seminal Texan psychdelia from when LSD was still legal!) >Roky/Aliens: _The Evil One_ (most tracks are also on _I Think Of Demons_, and >are from the 1980 sessions which spawned the overlapping LPs _Roky Erickson >and the Aliens_ and _The Evil One_ - this CD collects all 15, including the >essential "Bloody Hammer") >Roky/Explosives: _Casting the Runes_ (live) (I have seen this on CD! Not sure >of the legitimacy of the release, but it's truly excellent. Some track >overlap with the above, but essential versions.) >Roky: _Gremlins Have Pictures_ (live/studio - great version of "Heroin", and >the plangent "Warning (Social and Political Injustices)") > >plus: > >various artists: _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye_ - superb tribute album with >absolutely stellar line-up, including ZZ Top, REM, Julian Cope, Jesus and Mary >Chain, Butthole Surfers, Thin White Rope, Primal Scream... > >After that tread very carefully! > > Hmm, you didn't list "Easter Everywhere" their 2nd album, which is as good as "Psychedelic Sounds ... " (and considered their best by many a Roky fan). BTW, the Roky legend remains strong here in Austin, where once in a blood-red moon he'll play. -mike From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 13:11:08 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:11:08 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 6:23:20 AM, you wrote: <> Ok--Shari here--would anyone be willing to make such a tape for me if I paid postage and/or provided the tape? I did actually find a shop that carries some Hawkwind, but at $20 a pop, I just know I'd screw up and get whichever CD I'd be least likely to enjoy, and then I'd be reluctant to try again. Life is funny that way. And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the only one on this list?!?! S. --------Time flies like an arrow.....Fruit flies like a banana.-------- From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 13:11:25 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:11:25 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 9:27:11 AM, you wrote: <> Hey, Jon, I'm just starting out here! I happen to like _all_ of the songs on FoUO, but "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" and "Vengeance" are my faves. I do plan to get all of BOC I can get my grubbly little hands on, but I have to find it first! S. From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Mar 21 12:40:36 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:40:36 -0700 Subject: (from Shari again) New Message-ID: Veteren of Psychic Wars is one awesome song IMO. dane From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 21 13:41:58 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:41:58 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Shari Hill wrote: > And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the > only one on this list?!?! I've made a comment similar to this a couple of months ago, but I shall reprise it here... The amount of female input in the realms of Hawkwind is virtually nil (at least as far as the actual band is concerned). Hawkwind had one female vocalist, who sang on about five or so songs that I know of, of which I only have one of (from "Palace Springs" live). The only other feminine facet of the band are the (in my opinion) quite poor taste dancers that "jiggle their breasts" at the audience during concerts. The only other connection that I can think of is of a band called Underground Zero. I have about four of their songs, and have never seen/heard of any other material of theirs. There must be some connection between them and Hawkwind, as they are on several compilation albums, but I don't know how. I have made several pleas on the list for any info about them, but to little avail. They are very good and are worth looking out for. The lack of female input in Hawkwind, and to a lesser extent "space rock" (or whatever you call it) is a very sad thing, as in the few occasions that women have entered this arena, they have been a breath of fresh air, as it were. I've had a bit of a problem with the lack of women for quite a while, but with a bit (a lot) or searching you can find some, though. Well, this has gone off topic a bit, but it's one of those things I have to get off my chest every few months or so... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 21 13:50:15 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:50:15 EST Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs Message-ID: I've been on a buying-spree lately, and wanted to post a mini-review of several of these items. All have some relation to a topic that has popped up on BOCL at some point in the past. * Pressurehed - 'Explaining the Unexplained' (77min) IMHO This is the best Pressurehed yet. They have lost some of the industrial crunch from their first two CDs, but have replaced it with a more layered sound picked up while playing with Nik Turner. There are some spoken word samples at times, talking about weird things and promising to "..explain the unexplained" in the opening intro. The majority of the music is instrumental tho. This comes with a 50-page booklet containing a brief history of P-hed and spin-off bands (The Brain, Far Flung, Annubian Lights, Nik Turner's Space Ritual, Zero Gravity) and a short discography of each. However, the majority of the booklet gives concise descriptions of various weird phenomena, including Loch Ness Monster, modern dinosaurs in Africa, UFO sightings & abductions, wildmen of the American northwest, etc.etc. Very entertaining! * The Brain 'Access and Amplify' (76min) Pretty decent synth brain mush. Not too fast, not too slow. Long songs, all instrumentals. Upbeat. The Brain is two of the Pressurehed guys. * Dark Matter 'Seeing Strange Lights' (77min) Absolutely nothing like the miserable Cleopatra reissue 'X-Rated Fairy Tales/..Catholic Finger' by Helios Creed. This has little of that dental-drill guitar, opting instead for a layered sonic soundscape closer to Tangerine Dream. You might not even know that Helios is there, compared to his other work with Nik Turner's Space Ritual. * Far Flung - 'The Raven Ate the Moon' I think that this was originally supposed to be called 'Landing on Cydonia' (also the name of a tune from the first album '25,000 Feet Per Second'). I haven't picked this up yet because I haven't found anyone carrying it yet. A glowing review was published in a local Florida music magazine, so keep your eyes open. Once again, this will be on Flipside Records (out of San Fran?). * Magnog - self-titled (78min) This reminds me of the first Spacious Mind CD more than any other band I've ever heard. This is an independent American space rock band that I picked up from Lasers Edge based on its description, and it's great! BOCLref: the Spacious Mind air lift service provided by Johan last year. * Astralasia - 'Seven Pointed Star' (73min) These guys are trying hard to get that Eat Static high-energy psychedelic techno dance band sound, and they're doing it. Recommended to all USA Eat Static fans. A big improvement on the first Cleopatra Astralasia CD 'The Space Between'. HWref: Astralasia have remixed several HW tunes. * Boud Deun - 'Fiction and Strange Days' (42min) Another independent American prog band. Their big plus is a skilled electric violinist, who "makes" every song on the CD. Reminds me a lot of early High Tide, except with no vocals. Fans of Simon House should check this out. And it's cheap! (I paid US$10). * Spacehead - 'Of Stars and Time' (55min) This reminds me of HW/Harvey Bainbridge songs where Harvey is playing some synth background and ranting about who-knows-what for an extended period, a la "T.V.Suicide" and some live HW shows around 1987-88. Never really rocks (IMHO), but some amusing bits here. I somehow expected a better CD after hearing three songs off their earlier tape-only(?) release, but I'm still pleased with it. Out on Hawkwind's own label, Electronic Broadcast System. Got my copy from Delta Wave. The next few items have no HW relation, but are excellent bands anyway: * Electric Orange - 'Cyberdelic' (77min) In one word: schizophrenic. Several different musical styles between jazz, space rock, techno, and ethnic dub are all fighting for space on this CD. Very inconsistent, with some early songs reminding you of the all-time classic space-jazz-krautrock from the first self-titled album, and later others sounding like a completely different band with *no* common sensibilities. I hoped for an album of "Nindia"-type tunes, so I was disappointed. Available now from Delerium. * Porcupine Tree - 'Insignificance' (51min) This is a fanclub tape of outtakes from the recent 'Signify' CD. Very worth your trouble to hunt down a copy, if you liked 'Signify' (and who doesn't?). Available only direct from Delerium. * Sky Cries Mary - 'Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves' (74min) More of what they do best. Sounds like previous SCM releases, but with perhaps a bit more life/rhythm/spunk/je ne sais qua(sp?) than the other SCM I own, 'Return to the Inner Experience'. Recommended. This band is not a space rock band, but rather an unusual pop band with dual female vocalists and an interesting quasi-progressive sound. * Sky Cries Mary - 'Into Topological Space' (43min) ITS is a 2-CD compilation, with the second CD containing only 3 SCM songs. One song is from a UK-only 12", another is an edit mix of another song, and the third is a 25+min space excursion very unlike any other SCM song I've heard. A looooonng instrumental, synth soundscapes, etc. An interesting aside for SCM & space rock fans. Well, hope this helps a little for anybody considering a purchase of any of these items. For additional discussion, just drop me an E. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 21 13:58:06 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote >Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a comparison like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he himself is awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB was/is one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! >(Anyone know how to do an FZ emoticon?) try the one I use :-{)> - and FZ is another (innovator that is). >ObjCDPlayer: FSOL / Dead Cities Way cool! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 21 13:17:54 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:17:54 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On fre 21 mar 1997 13.22 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > > > P.S. Shari, you don't appear to list `Cultosaurus Erectus' in your BOC > > > collection! You must remedy this immediately, it's vastly better than > > > FoUO (unless you like the synth-pop tinges of `After Dark' and `Don't > > > Turn Your Back'). > Right you are! I've been listening to CE daily the last few weeks. It's a great album. Not very similar to FoUO, but do check it out. Very heavy album. Didn't Al say that it was a conscious effort to recapture the heavy feel of the earlier records, esp. after the near-disaster of Mirrors? BD's guitaring has never been better [or heavier]. Excellent soloing throughout. 'Lips' is a great song, belonging in the BOC pantheon with all the early stuff... > I however have an early affectation for _FoUO_, with "Fire of Unknown > Origin", "Burning For You" (still a good song, even if grossly overplayed), > "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", and the immortal "Heavy Metal: the Black & > Silver" :) > > Cheers, > Carl FoUO is a great record too. I only hold it in slightly less regard because BFY has been overplayed [esp. on the radio] and because its presence somewhat mars the concert experience by being one of the Big 3. Remember, this is Al's last record, and as such, earns it a sentimental place among BOC's best, as a reminder of what BOC used to be... And Shari, I take it you've never seen the band live? Do catch them as soon as you can. though I wouldn't nec. recommend this summer's wheezer fests. Try to catch them on their own, and pref. in a club setting... theo > ObTape: Ozric Tentacles, The Junction, Cambridge, England, 20 March 1997. > From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 21 14:29:48 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:29:48 -0700 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > > > WOTEOT video? You don't mean the Chronicles of the Black Sword video, > by any chance? I don't think - in fact, unless I'm missing some -VITAL- > information, that there IS a WOTEOT vid. > But, if you do have a copy of the laser disk version of the Chonicles > video, does it have the extra Moorcock tracks at the end? If so, I would > beg thee for thy assistance in helping a poor student who hast no access > to the famed video disk system, and to dub a copy of the four Moorcock > songs at the end? I would be ever so grateful, as I think it's a cheep > trick of visionary to release these extra tracks only on the video disk > version... > In fact, I think I'll include a couple more pleases to re-enforce my > plea: "please please please please please please..." Max- I saw the video listed at Visionary's web site-but-I couldn't get them to answer my e-mails:( What I have is a conversion-and to be honest, the quality sux! I appreciate that the person I got it from went to all the effort, tho!!! Just makes me want it more! No, I don't have the laser disk version-I wish!! I'm afraid I can't help ya much! sorry:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Shari Hill wrote: > > > And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the > only one on this list?!?! Me too! even tho my trade is predominately male-and it seems that I have far more male friends than female!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > Pam, > > I actually have a spare copy of Warrior (the Dojo pressing) I could > trade/sell you, if you like. > > Allan. Allan: what are you asking for it?? I'm interested! I've found another person that has one too! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace ---------- From: Chris Warburton[SMTP:desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 1:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Hawks, Motorhead & BOC sighted on Rhino compilation Craig Shipley wrote >Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a comparison like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he himself is awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB was/is one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! Hello, Chris... Have you ever heard FZ's BABY SNAKES or LIVE IN NY release? If you haven't, the line above (and several others I used) were take directly from a track that appears on those releases, titled "Punky's Whips". It is a sad tale of woe of how FZ's boy drummer, Terry Bozio, becomes infatuated with a PR photo of Angels' guitarist, Punky Meadows. Since we were talking about Angel, I just couldn't resist... >:-> And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would have to be BLOW BY BLOW. JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, it was all a bit of humour! objCDPlayer: Uwe Bauch / Electric Garden Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com >(Anyone know how to do an FZ emoticon?) try the one I use :-{)> - and FZ is another (innovator that is). >ObjCDPlayer: FSOL / Dead Cities Way cool! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any stories? - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 21 14:35:15 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:35:15 UT Subject: MM/plagiarism Message-ID: _The Broken Sword_ is from 1954 - it's a loooooong time since I read it, but it features a cursed sword of unnaturally dark hue... I do remember it as a very fine book indeed, but like I said... I can't offhand trace the reference where MM mentioned it - it might even have been in discussion at a signing or something - but I'm sure he has acknowledged it. I think it's a long way from borrowing a device to out-and-out plagiarism, though - the tone of Anderson's book is that of Nordic myth, not at all like that of the Elric stories. Carl would probably like it! :) But he's probably at the movies right now, watching _Star Wars_ :)) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Mar 21 15:11:54 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:11:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary In-Reply-To: <9702218589.AA858981015@hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Capt. Cloud wrote: > I've been on a buying-spree lately, and wanted to post a mini-review > of several of these items. All have some relation to a topic that > has popped up on BOCL at some point in the past. [...] > * Sky Cries Mary - 'Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves' (74min) > More of what they do best. Sounds like previous SCM releases, but with > perhaps a bit more life/rhythm/spunk/je ne sais qua(sp?) than the other > SCM I own, 'Return to the Inner Experience'. Recommended. This band > is not a space rock band, but rather an unusual pop band with dual > female vocalists and an interesting quasi-progressive sound. I would venture that if you heard _This Timeless Turning_ you might reconsider Sky Cries Mary as space rock. (The track "4:00am" is enough to seal it for me. Essential listening!) If you like the spacey aspects of _Return to the Inner Experience_, then run, don't walk, and get a copy of _This Timeless Turning_. _RttIE_ is a lot more dance/pop than _TTT_. I agree with the "quasi progressive sound" definition. It's a good way of summing them up. Almost prog/pop. _TTT_ is leaner on the pop, though. I must hunt out the new album. > * Sky Cries Mary - 'Into Topological Space' (43min) > ITS is a 2-CD compilation, with the second CD containing only 3 SCM > songs. One song is from a UK-only 12", another is an edit mix of > another song, and the third is a 25+min space excursion very unlike > any other SCM song I've heard. A looooonng instrumental, synth > soundscapes, etc. An interesting aside for SCM & space rock fans. I saw this in my local shop a month or so ago, but couldn't justify buying it just for the bonus SCM songs (which is what grabbed my interest). What is the other material on the compilation like? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Capt. Beefheart, _Trout Mask Replica_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 21 15:05:53 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:05:53 UT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. How many hard rock/heavy metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? Why is Sean Yseult one of only two women to have performed on stage at Donington ever? (No, I can't remember who was the other!) Have you ever seen a Whitesnake video?!? For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just breasts jiggling if they did... 'Course, when New York clubs have their own go-go girls in cages, that's another matter entirely. > I've had a bit of a problem with the lack of women for quite a while, Never mind! We all have the odd barren week... :)) Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Mar 21 14:22:09 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:22:09 -0500 Subject: OFF Jeff Beck/Punky Meadows/Angel/Frank Zappa/Friday Afternoon In-Reply-To: <01BC3604.9AEB1D00@dynamic-11.async.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Mar 21, 97 02:31:43 pm Message-ID: > Craig Shipley wrote > > >Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And > > Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a comparison > like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he himself is > awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB was/is > one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! I disagree. IMHO, Jeff Beck most certainly IS a genius (also played the best concert I've ever seen). > Have you ever heard FZ's BABY SNAKES or LIVE IN NY release? If you haven't, > the line above (and several others I used) were take directly from a > track that appears on those releases, titled "Punky's Whips". It is a sad > tale of woe of how FZ's boy drummer, Terry Bozio, becomes infatuated > with a PR photo of Angels' guitarist, Punky Meadows. Since we were talking > about Angel, I just couldn't resist... >:-> I'm surprised you remember that much Pops! :-) It's also interesting because Terry Bozzio was playing drums forJeff Beck on _Guitar Shop_, and the aforementioned concert. > And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would > have to be BLOW BY BLOW. So much for your reputation for senility. :-) ;-) > JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, > it was all a bit of humour! BTW Craig--I can't tell you how much I love editing out all those lines of ms-tnef crap whenever I reply to one of your posts.It makes me feel better dropping some cash for the newest version of OS/2. Down with Micro$oft!!!! :-) Guido From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Fri Mar 21 15:21:03 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:21:03 -0700 Subject: OFF Jeff or Punky Message-ID: Hmmm. real or imagined, never thought I'd see the two in the same line of text. Punky: Poser, Big Hair, Angel predated the glam movement so thst's one for them, Lots of make-up, concert memory: Punky slide soloing with a heinekin then spraying the writhing masses with it, yeah pour that old stinky beer on me! Jeff: PrePoser, that old Jeff hairdo, wicked leads, serious attitude, innovater of the electric guitar stylings copied by dozens of today's young axemen. concert memory: pulling his strings off so he wouldn't have to do an encore. c'mon punky, get funky! I promise not to...FZ rip From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Mar 21 16:35:51 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:35:51 CST Subject: setting no mail after today Message-ID: Hi all, I'm going to the Game Manufacturer Association trade show this week in Reno, NV, and will be setting no mail in about 1 hour. I'll be offline from my home account, so far as I know, but if anyone wanted to reach me, please mail me at iscladoc at idir.net address; I may actually come across access while away (but I don't count on it). I won't be leaving 'til Sunday morn, and plan to be online tomorrow in case someone wanted to reach me in the meanwhile. I'll be making the MM tapes from Henrik for those who were interested after my return next weekend. Have a good weekend/week, Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 21 17:09:22 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:09:22 -0500 Subject: OFF Jeff Beck/Punky Meadows/Angel/Frank Zappa/Friday Afternoon Message-ID: ---------- From: Guido Vacano[SMTP:gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 2:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF Jeff Beck/Punky Meadows/Angel/Frank Zappa/Friday Afternoon > Craig Shipley wrote > > >Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And > > Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a comparison > like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he himself is > awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB was/is > one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! I disagree. IMHO, Jeff Beck most certainly IS a genius (also played the best concert I've ever seen). Yo' Guido!! _I_ didn't make the comment about the lack of JB's genius. I did make the comment about ol' Punky containing more fluid than JB, tho... Just settin' the record straight... > Have you ever heard FZ's BABY SNAKES or LIVE IN NY release? If you haven't, > the line above (and several others I used) were take directly from a > track that appears on those releases, titled "Punky's Whips". It is a sad > tale of woe of how FZ's boy drummer, Terry Bozio, becomes infatuated > with a PR photo of Angels' guitarist, Punky Meadows. Since we were talking > about Angel, I just couldn't resist... >:-> I'm surprised you remember that much Pops! :-) It's also interesting because Terry Bozzio was playing drums forJeff Beck on _Guitar Shop_, and the aforementioned concert. Damn, son, I saw that concert tour back in '76. And the CD's help to keep the ol' braincells refreshed... > And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would > have to be BLOW BY BLOW. So much for your reputation for senility. :-) ;-) Heh, heh, heh... must be all of them vitamins that I'm poppin'! No Geritol or Serutan, yet. > JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, > it was all a bit of humour! BTW Craig--I can't tell you how much I love editing out all those lines of ms-tnef crap whenever I reply to one of your posts.It makes me feel better dropping some cash for the newest version of OS/2. Down with Micro$oft!!!! :-) I thought I clobbered that! But I just checked the address book option for the mailing list and the damn thing was back on again. I unchecked it AGAIN, so lets' see how it does now.... objCDPlayer : Stephan Whitlan / Map Reference (UK synthesist with a wry sense of humour! There is a hidden track on here, a full-tilt synth version of Tom Jones' "It's Not Unusual" played on old vintage synths. Well, it made _me_ laugh!) Craig IGuido From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 17:15:59 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:15:59 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 2:33:04 PM, you wrote: >Shari Hill wrote: >> >> >> And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the >> only one on this list?!?! >Me too! even tho my trade is predominately male-and it seems that I have >far more male friends than female!! >Pam Nice to meet, you, Pam! From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 17:16:04 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:16:04 -0500 Subject: Female BOC/HW fans Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 1:41:08 PM, Max wrote: > The amount of female input in the realms of Hawkwind is virtually nil >(at least as far as the actual band is concerned). Hawkwind had one >female vocalist, who sang on about five or so songs that I know of, of >which I only have one of (from "Palace Springs" live). The only other >feminine facet of the band are the (in my opinion) quite poor taste >dancers that "jiggle their breasts" at the audience during concerts. I guess I'm not surprised female input on these bands is minimal--like I told Daniel, I've been a big Rush fan for about 10 years, now, and I have yet to meet a female who will admit to liking them. I do honestly know some shallow-minded bimbos who won't listen to Rush because "they're old and ugly." That just burns me up! It's probably better for all concerned if they stick to their Bon Jovi, though. I suppose the lack of gooey love songs and the inclusion of actual imagination would shatter their fagile psyches. I imagine the jigglings of breasts and such do put a damper on certain bands' appeal to female fans. IMO, it _is_ poor taste, but if I actually make it out to see a concert, I'm not going to let a few bouncing breasts spoil it for me. Like Pam wrote recently, I've mostly had male friends all my life--there are some things you just learn to ignore or take in stride. The only thing I regret is that you almost never get to turn the tables on 'em! [snip] > The lack of female input in Hawkwind, and to a lesser extent "space >rock" (or whatever you call it) is a very sad thing, as in the few >occasions that women have entered this arena, they have been a breath of >fresh air, as it were. I haven't had much experience with "space rock" but I _am_ in one of those moods to acquire new music, y'know? My already odd mix needs some new blood. That's why I'm looking into HW. > I've had a bit of a problem with the lack of women for quite a while, >but with a bit (a lot) or searching you can find some, though. Hmm . . . the "lack of women" in general, or the lack of female HW fans? ;-) Andy wrote: >It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. How many hard rock/heavy >metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? I don't think Hawkwind has really been "singled out for sexism" here, unless you're referring to an earlier discussion. It doesn't matter to me whether all the members are men and always have been, what matters is whether I like their music and lyrics. Someone who would get upset that a band has never had a female member is just a sad, small person. If you like what they're playing, what should it matter what sex the members are? >Have you ever seen a Whitesnake video?!? Mmmm . . . nope. Never liked the music enough to bother. >For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any >dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And >back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the >on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual >liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in >the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just >breasts jiggling if they did... Don't know who/what Stacia is/was, but it's generally been said that if you don't appreciate nudity or the like, you don't have to go to the shows. For such people, both male and female, it's probably best to stay home and listen to the albums in peace. Or, you learn to adapt. [snip] >Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black >members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. Here's another one of those if-you-like-the-music-just-shut-up-and-enjoy-it-things. Hearing a recording of a band, I highly doubt I would notice whether they had a Black member or a gay member or a mute purple troll member. (Unless the troll happened to be singing, I guess. ;-) ) If someone is really offended by the sexual/racial makeup/orientation of a band, the best solution is to listen to something else or form your own band that worries more about equality than talent and member cooperation. Now that I've thoroughly annoyed everyone with my constant questions and letters . . . I'm leaving for the weekend. Enjoy the quiet while it lasts! Shari From ShariHill at AOL.COM Fri Mar 21 17:18:19 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:18:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 2:49:19 PM, you wrote: >And Shari, I take it you've never seen the band live? Do catch them >as soon as you can. though I wouldn't nec. recommend this summer's >wheezer fests. Try to catch them on their own, and pref. in a club >setting... I vaguely remember BOC coming to play in a local club in South Bend or Elkhart a few years ago, but at that time, the only song I knew was Reaper, so it didn't interest me. I'd love to catch them live! Anyone have any ideas on how to get "suggestions" for tour stops to the band? Thanx-- S. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 21 17:14:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:14:04 -0600 Subject: Poor Shari & Punky Lives! Message-ID: Poor Shari - You must be swamped by this stuff by now. No fear these Hawkwind guys know there stuff. A HW compilation tape is probably the best way to go. I know Rob Rudich makes great tapes and has provided me tremendous insight on the band off line. Bernhard P. (if he's still here) has maybe the best HW collection of anyone. Anybody notice how Best Buy has dumped most of the classic rockers and stocks only radio music these days? Last year you could see almost 20 different HW titles, the complete BOC catalog and now both bands, as well as larger sellers from that time period, get a single card. Prices have also creeped up steadily. Thank God for Towers records. > >>Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And > >>Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a >>comparison like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he >>himself is awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB >>was/is one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! Missed this somebody comparing Punky and Jeff? > >Shipley>"And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would have to be BLOW BY BLOW." >Great choice for a desert island trip. Would you take Wired too? >Shipley>JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, it was all a bit of humour!" Uh I think Punky is still out there though no longer wearing the chiffon. Gufferia (sp) has been with a couple of different outfits since Angel. I'll check my Dream Disc catalog so don't write Punky off >yet. I'm still hoping for a reunion tour, ANGEL LIVES! 8>). > lil ab >my number is NM 156 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 21 17:16:45 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:16:45 -0500 Subject: HW / Sex & Dancing Message-ID: For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just breasts jiggling if they did... Didn't one of their drummers play in the nude? I seem to remember an old CIRCUS review of _Doremi_ (and Amon Duul's _Wolf City_, too!) that made such a statement. Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. Uh-oh, you may have opened up a can o' worms there! I knew of a fellow that sold all of his Kit Watkins CD's (keyboardist, has played with Camel & Happy The Man) when he found out that Kit is gay. Not that anyones' sexuality bothers me... - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Mar 21 17:40:47 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (ENTER-USERS-REAL-NAME-HERE) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:40:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >>wheezer fests. Try to catch them on their own, and pref. in a club >>setting... True....I saw them in Buffalo at a rock fest gig...only 7 songs...though the Vigil was re-introduced at that show so happiness abounded thought no new material. >so it didn't interest me. I'd love to catch them live! Anyone have any >ideas on how to get "suggestions" for tour stops to the band? Requesting divine intervention from the God of touring.. they really do play infrequently pending on the area--upstate NY has been getting better though in terms of BOC shows (about time too!) For THE live experience of "classic era" BOC, _On Your Feet or On Your Knees_ is the place to turn. Jason From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 21 18:28:11 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:28:11 -0500 Subject: Poor Shari & Punky Lives! Message-ID: Blah, blah, blah DELETED.. Missed this somebody comparing Punky and Jeff? Well, somebody brought up the fact that there is an anthology CD out there that has Motorhead, Angel and others onnit. Somebody made a remark about Angel and I sent back an e-mail, quoting a FZ song titled "Punkys' Whips". Somebody thought that I was dissing JB, when that was definitely NOT the case. Just me having some fun at Punkys' expense... > >Shipley>"And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would have to be BLOW BY BLOW." >Great choice for a desert island trip. Would you take Wired too? Of course! In case anyone is interested in "whatever happened to" Max Middleton, the keyboardist on those two LP's, he is/was playing in Chris Rea's band (and as excellent as ever!) >Shipley>JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, it was all a bit of humour!" Uh I think Punky is still out there though no longer wearing the chiffon. Gufferia (sp) has been with a couple of different outfits since Angel. I'll check my Dream Disc catalog so don't write Punky off >yet. I'm still hoping for a reunion tour, ANGEL LIVES! 8>). > Yeah, Greg Guieffera (sp!) had his own band for a while. I remember KEYBOARD magazine profiling him when his eponymisis release came out. Never bothered with it... Craig lil ab >my number is NM 156 From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 21 20:31:13 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:31:13 -0800 Subject: HW: Female Input / Questions Message-ID: I was going to quote but I messed up so I will just wing it. Max Wilcox: I seem to recall in my reading of the book _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ (by Kris Tait), that Stacia was told if she wanted to dance on stage, she would have to do so naked. The insinuation is that Dave Brock was joking and Stacia went ahead and did it, so he let her continue. That sounds like her decision, and so it can't really be construed as an example of sexism on the band's part. The music doesn't make me want to dance naked, but if Stacia got into it, then I guess that's okay for her. Max, can I use some sarcasm here? I am against anything degrading to women, too, so don't take this wrong, I am just trying to have some levity. When you were saying about the lack of "female input", what really were you lamenting? (Was that a Freudian slip?) BURNING QUESTION (I would have called it a burning issue, but I wanted to avoid the Freudian slip.) -------> Max asked about the band Underground Zero. I want to know, too! Who are they, when were they around, and what is their connection? I have them on my _Best of FnR_ CD but it has no liner notes! When somebody enlightens us about Underground Zero, another band on the same compilation is Stravinsky's Shoe. Who/what/when are they? STUPID QUESTIONS: Okay, I had to do this, but it's going to hurt me a lot more than it will hurt you... 1) How do you pronounce the name "Huw"? I am from Canada and have never heard such a name spoken. I assume it is alike to "Hugh". (And why is it Huw Lloyd on the first CD's notes? If he were female I would assume he got married and hyphenated his name instead of changing it completely.) 2) I know what it signifies, but what is the literal word-for-word phrasing associated with "ObCD"? FYI, ObCD: Thin Lizzy/Vagabonds of the Western World Thanks for your time. I won't sound like such a newbie next time. (Yeah, Right!) Bryan Young From ellis at SES.COM Fri Mar 21 19:24:43 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:24:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators Message-ID: > >>BTW, the Roky legend remains strong here in Austin, where once in a blood-red >>moon he'll play. > >Have you actually seen him? Any stories? > >- Andy > I saw him in San Franciso in '78 and Houston in '79, and in Austin a couple of years ago. At the '78 & '79 shows he was great on stage, although the other band members needed to keep an eye on him. Offstage he seemed frightened and confused. At the show in Austin, which was a benefit for a friend of his, he only did a couple of numbers, and seemed confused as to what was going on, tending to wander off when the backing band was trying to figure out what to play. Unfortunately it was probably more sad than anything else. The band started into "You're gonna miss me", these young kids started jumping up and down at front and screaming at him oblvious to the fact that they were freaking him out. He stood at the mike with arms crossed, tried to sing a few lines, then walked off. He seems to either be possessed by the Power and able to really rock and mesmerize, or too disconnected and confused to handle a live show. All the stories in recent years have to do with his troubles coping with day-to-day living - he was arrested for collecting all the mail of his neighbors and storing it in his house (tampering with the US mail being a Federal offense, it's actually a serious charge). I guess you could say the Roky stories I've heard and the last time I saw him remind me of stories I've read about Syd Barrett. A friend of his I met in Houston in the late 70's told me a story of taking Roky to a football game. They'd gone in one car, and during the game Roky asked for the car keys so he could go get something in the car. Roky didn't come back. When the game was over, they went to the car and it was locked. No Roky. Eventually they did find him - he'd found somebody else's car, which was open, gotten in and fallen asleep. Those late 70's shows were great though - at one of the Houston shows he says real solumnly and earnestly "Now we're going to play a tune that they used to play on the old church organ back in this little East Texas town ..." and he then launched into "Y'r Gonna Miss Me" at full volume ... -mike From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 22:10:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:10:24 GMT Subject: HW / Sex & Dancing Message-ID: > Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. > > Uh-oh, you may have opened up a can o' worms there! I knew of a fellow > that sold all of his Kit Watkins CD's (keyboardist, has played with > Camel & Happy The Man) when he found out that Kit is gay. Not that > anyones' sexuality bothers me... But if anyone _is_ bothered and looking to sell their Hawkwind collection ...... ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 22:13:20 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:13:20 GMT Subject: MM/plagiarism Message-ID: On fre 21 mar 1997 19.35 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > _The Broken Sword_ is from 1954 - > - the tone of Anderson's book is that of Nordic > myth, not at all like that of the Elric stories. > > Carl would probably like it! :) But he's probably at the movies right > now, watching _Star Wars_ :)) Right on both counts! says Carl, just returned from Star Wars (which ruled, naturally) and first read _Broken Sword_ long, long ago on a continent far, far away .... ;) Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 22:23:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:23:54 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > And > back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and > the on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of > sexual liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band > ever played in the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been > more than just breasts jiggling if they did... I'm sure I saw a reproduction of a press clipping in a HW book somewhere which solemnly assured us that they did perform naked ....? Still nothing wrong naked people--everyone is, under their clothes :) And what the hell, nothing wrong with sexual liberation or even titilation. According to the anthropological literature I've read (and this is the sort of thing you run across when doing a folklore degree!) men are far more interested in seeing naked women than women are interested in seeing naked men. So there's a lot more money to be had from naked women. Thus their proliferation. I'm sure if women were willing to shell out cash for naked men in their media and advertising, there'd be more of 'em. Women apparently have higher standards in entertainment :) ;) > Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. What about alien life-forms? Let's not discriminate against them :) Of course, _some_ HW personnel may well be/have been/will be alien life-forms ... :) no doubt shocking un-PC, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* Whoops! That .sig is probably sexist ... no, wait, I think it might simply be liberating .... :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 21 22:28:30 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:28:30 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: On fre 21 mar 1997 12.32 "Cliff & Pam Wheaton" wrote: > Shari Hill wrote: > > > And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't > > be the only one on this list?!?! > > Me too! even tho my trade is predominately male-and it seems that I > have far more male friends than female!! Well there's Jill, of course. And presumably Maxine lurking somewhere? Possibly a few more lurking on the BOC side. Tania was only briefly on the list, but does still run the tBS web site. Gosh, and there's Deb, of course :) but she may be unsubscribed these days. And we can always hope Jon will convince his recent HawkConvert Anna to sign up .... :) Cheers, Carl From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 22 03:03:38 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:03:38 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. Well, I wasn't calling them sexist. I was just saying that it's a shame that there aren't more females involved. > How many hard rock/heavy > metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? Why > is Sean Yseult one of only two women to have performed on stage at Donington > ever? (No, I can't remember who was the other!) Have you ever seen a > Whitesnake video?!? This is one of the main reasons I dislike many heavy metal bands - they are often degrading to women. > For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any > dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And > back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the > on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual > liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in > the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just > breasts jiggling if they did... Neither am I saying that I think the dancers are a bad idea, but rather that I don't think they add much to the overall effect. Mind you, my only real knowledge of the dancers etc. stems from the films that I have seen of HW - such as "the Chronicles of the Black Sword" - which IMO is shocking. The music's great, but having women running around in swimming costumes is just silly. What's more the Elric looked extremely silly. Again, I'm not directing this complaint -directly- at HW, but I think it's a valid point. The fact that the only thing that women do in front of the audience is dance about, and don't sing/play instruments/etc, reinforces such misguided notions as "that's where they belong", or "they couldn't play the instruments, because it's not right". Only some people would fall foul of this misconception, as most people are able to differentiate, but it does happen. I was chatting to Mary Cason (who played with Calvert on the "Queen Elisabeth Hall" gig) and she said something like "that many of the HW fans that saw her, wondered why she wasn't up the front jiggling her breasts, rather than behind a keyboard". > Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. This is a good point, but also you must consider that as HW come from the UK, where (about) 51% of the population are female, whereas other ethnic groups make up substantially less of the population. Anyway, I say again that I'm not really complaining about the band, and it's not as if I'm going to get angry and throw all my albums out the window or anything, but rather I'm just making an observation, and commenting on something that I think is unjust in our society. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Mar 22 04:07:29 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 02:07:29 -0700 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Shari Hill wrote: > > In a message dated 3/21/97 2:33:04 PM, you wrote: > > >Shari Hill wrote: > >> > >> > >> And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the > >> only one on this list?!?! > >Me too! even tho my trade is predominately male-and it seems that I have > >far more male friends than female!! > >Pam > > Nice to meet, you, Pam! You too, Shari! -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Shari Hill wrote: > > In a message dated 3/21/97 1:41:08 PM, Max wrote: > > > The amount of female input in the realms of Hawkwind is virtually > nil > >(at least as far as the actual band is concerned). Hawkwind had one > >female vocalist, who sang on about five or so songs that I know of, of > >which I only have one of (from "Palace Springs" live). The only other > >feminine facet of the band are the (in my opinion) quite poor taste > >dancers that "jiggle their breasts" at the audience during concerts. Isn't that what they're 'sposed to do? 'sides, most fellas I know would enjoy that! > > I guess I'm not surprised female input on these bands is minimal--like I told > Daniel, I've been a big Rush fan for about 10 years, now, and I have yet to > meet a female who will admit to liking them. I DO, I DO!!! Love Rush that is! I just (Big Grin) got all the Rush albums on CD!! Celebratio day for me! I do honestly know some > shallow-minded bimbos who won't listen to Rush because "they're old and > ugly." That just burns me up! It's probably better for all concerned if > they stick to their Bon Jovi, though. I suppose the lack of gooey love songs > and the inclusion of actual imagination would shatter their fagile psyches. Yeah right-(sarcasm mode here) They don't have room in their 2 neuron brains to take the time to understand the music! Besides-Geddy is still good looking in my bok:) > > I imagine the jigglings of breasts and such do put a damper on certain bands' > appeal to female fans. IMO, it _is_ poor taste, but if I actually make it > out to see a concert, I'm not going to let a few bouncing breasts spoil it > for me. Like Pam wrote recently, I've mostly had male friends all my > life--there are some things you just learn to ignore or take in stride. The > only thing I regret is that you almost never get to turn the tables on 'em! Oh, I get them every once in awhile!! Being that I work in the trade I do (Taxi owner/operator) You learn quick that you're not really worried too much about gender-you just get along and smile & bitch with the rest! > > [snip] > > > The lack of female input in Hawkwind, and to a lesser extent "space > >rock" (or whatever you call it) is a very sad thing, as in the few > >occasions that women have entered this arena, they have been a breath of > >fresh air, as it were. agreed here! I think my outlook is alot different than most-I find this music to be a breath of fresh air. It's really nice to be able to experience this! > > I haven't had much experience with "space rock" but I _am_ in one of those > moods to acquire new music, y'know? My already odd mix needs some new blood. > That's why I'm looking into HW. I'm really experiencing a new music sweep! Of all forms! everything from Jean Michel Carre to lots of HW and more! A friend at this point has given me (on tape) over 70 different "albums"! > > Andy wrote: > > >It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. How many hard > rock/heavy > >metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? > > I don't think Hawkwind has really been "singled out for sexism" here, unless > you're referring to an earlier discussion. It doesn't matter to me whether > all the members are men and always have been, what matters is whether I like > their music and lyrics. Someone who would get upset that a band has never > had a female member is just a sad, small person. If you like what they're > playing, what should it matter what sex the members are? agreed here!! I like the way you think! > > > Don't know who/what Stacia is/was, but it's generally been said that if you > don't appreciate nudity or the like, you don't have to go to the shows. For > such people, both male and female, it's probably best to stay home and listen > to the albums in peace. Or, you learn to adapt. great point here! > > [snip] > > >Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > >members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. So? Does it matter? Nope. > > Here's another one of those > if-you-like-the-music-just-shut-up-and-enjoy-it-things. Hearing a recording > of a band, I highly doubt I would notice whether they had a Black member or a > gay member or a mute purple troll member. (Unless the troll happened to be > singing, I guess. ;-) ) If someone is really offended by the sexual/racial > makeup/orientation of a band, the best solution is to listen to something > else or form your own band that worries more about equality than talent and > member cooperation. I agree here-alot! > > Now that I've thoroughly annoyed everyone with my constant questions and > letters . . . I'm leaving for the weekend. Enjoy the quiet while it lasts! You have not-In fact-good questions-I even learned some things too!! > > Shari -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >various artists: _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye_ - superb tribute album with >absolutely stellar line-up, including ZZ Top, REM, Julian Cope, Jesus and Mary >Chain, Butthole Surfers, Thin White Rope, Primal Scream... Um, Um, where'd you get it, huh? This'll be the only Cope *and* the only Primals track I'm aware off, that I don't have.... > >After that tread very carefully! > >- Andy > Roky's recent-ish solo - "All That May Do My Rhyme" gets my seal of approval. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 22 04:14:49 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:14:49 +0000 Subject: other/off: MM re: plagiarism??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > > NO< I am not saying HW were plagiarists, I am saying that *some* say MM >was the plagiarist.....another day, tho. :/ > > Isn't this common knowledge N-E-way?????? > > Troy No time like the present! Um, no, it's not commmon knowledge unless you refer to Paul Anderson's Broken Sword. *Some* would say MM defined the form.... -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 22 06:34:50 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:34:50 GMT Subject: HW: Female Input / Questions Message-ID: On fre 21 mar 1997 17.31 "Bryan Young" wrote: > Max Wilcox: I seem to recall in my reading of the book _This is > Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ (by Kris Tait), that Stacia was told if she > wanted to dance on stage, she would have to do so naked. The > insinuation is that Dave Brock was joking and Stacia went ahead and > did it, so he let her continue. I recall reading such thing too, but thought I remembered it being Nik and not Dave. Cheers, Carl From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Mar 22 06:40:54 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:40:54 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: boots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Jon Browne about Re: HW/OFF: boots! >In message <889.5T61T1532 at vossnet.co.uk>, simon >writes >>I was at the gig this album was recorded at (Brentford Red Lion). >Who was support that night? Mournblade or local "talent" Mixed Blood? >I saw Huwy twice at the Red Lion. Erm, there couldn't have been more >than 30 people at either show....... >-- >Jon Browne Haven't the foggiest idea. Too long ago. As I remember It was billed as Huw's first solo gig. The place was VERY full. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Mar 22 07:27:17 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 23:27:17 +1100 Subject: other/off: MM re: plagiarism??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > In message melb.edu.au>, Troy Harris writes > > > > NO< I am not saying HW were plagiarists, I am saying that *some* say MM > >was the plagiarist.....another day, tho. :/ > > > > Isn't this common knowledge N-E-way?????? > > > > Troy > No time like the present! Um, no, it's not commmon knowledge unless you > refer to Paul Anderson's Broken Sword. *Some* would say MM defined the > form.... > -- > Jon Browne > Yeah, that is probably it. Don't remember, or care. MM wrote tons of *way better* stuff than the Elric novels, which were good when I was in high school. Troy From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 22 11:29:44 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 02:29:44 +1000 Subject: HW: Female Input / Questions Message-ID: Bryan Young wrote: > Max, can I use some sarcasm here? I am against anything degrading > to women, too, so don't take this wrong, I am just trying to have some > levity. When you were saying about the lack of "female input", what > really were you lamenting? (Was that a Freudian slip?) Well (in a gruff, no-nonsense voice) it is in fact, MY GIRLFRIEND who pointed out to me that the female input was low... Er wait a minute (digging a bigger hole for myself)... What I mean is, "I lament the lack of musical input by the feminine sex in the musical group known as Hawkwind". Try and psychoanalyze that one, ol' Freudy! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From stayer at PI.NET Fri Mar 21 01:01:55 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:01:55 -0800 Subject: OFF: concepts Message-ID: Aaaaahhhh... Everytime someone mentions Nektar (and even recommends it!), I just /have/ to respond... Shari Hill writes: > > In short, I'm looking for imaginative rock along the lines of BOC or > > _Hemispheres_-era Rush--something that sounds good and tells a good story or > > paints a picture. M Holmes wrote: > You may want to try out some Eloy or Nektar albums too. I'd suggest Power > and the Passion and Journey to the Centre of the Eye but I'm sure others > will differ. Dice - The Four Riders Of The Apocalypse (instrumental, some classical influences) Demon - The Plague (a bit heavier) Earth And Fire - Song Of The Marching Children (1970s) Eloy - Power And The Passion (just Eloyish) Eloy - Ocean Enid - Sweet And The Sour (heavy classical) Julian's Treatment - A Time Before This (early 1970s) Mary Newsletter - Nuove Lettere (Italian, jazzprogbluesrock) Nektar - Journey To The Centre Of The Eye Nektar - Remember The Future Nektar - Recycled (the best) Neuschwanstein - Alice Im Wunderland (German; unreleased) Savatage - Streets (heavy) There's a Pendragon concept album, but I am not the one to recommend it... Er, why not try BOC - Imaginos? :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Mar 22 21:14:17 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:14:17 -0800 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > >In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: > >I have this sneaky feeling I'll have > >almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . Marshall Wood wrote: > Nope. It'll be *MUCH* harder to find Eloy & Nektar CDs. :) OK, I noticed the smiley, but here in Holland from Eloy, Nektar, Hawkwind and BOC CDs, BOC CDs are the hardest to find. Well, not /hard/ to find as such, but the hardest of those. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Mar 22 21:50:47 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:50:47 -0800 Subject: HW / Sex & Dancing Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > Uh-oh, you may have opened up a can o' worms there! I knew of a fellow that sold > all of his Kit Watkins CD's (keyboardist, has played with Camel & Happy The Man) > when he found out that Kit is gay. Not that anyones' sexuality bothers me... Er, my girlfriend's does... :-) Jerry From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Mar 22 14:54:21 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:54:21 -0500 Subject: BOC tours in the -70's Message-ID: >Does anybody know if John Cougar supported BOC on a european tour in >1976 or 1977? Yes, and a good time was had by all. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Mar 22 14:55:03 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:55:03 -0500 Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 Brian wrote: >So at the Syracuse show, should I be preparing to tape it, or is anyone else >out there (Theo, Torgo, etc.) planning on this. Maybe we should all tape it >and make the best sounding tape available to BOC-L? You know, the night before, we're playing at Spirits Tavern & Cafe 315-253-2244 in Auburn, NY which is just a little ways from Syracuse. On that show we'll be the only act and will be playing 3 sets, each of which will be different. I have no idea what the sound will be like but we'll be doing some rarities. Hope to see some new faces for the first time. Torgo, Ted? Our future plans for upstate have us doing Albany, May 3rd and Rocherster and Buffalo around June 12th or so. There's an outside chance of doing Utica sometime in the near future but that's about it for upstate until fall (sorry Jason, Potsdam is not possible until Sept. at the earliest). Al From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Sat Mar 22 15:02:41 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:02:41 -0800 Subject: spacy moon/comet stuff Message-ID: Moon, comet putting on a light show Sky watchers in North America will get a double show this weekend as the moon goes into partial eclipse and Comet Hale-Bopp shines longer and brighter in the night sky. Starting Sunday at 9:58 p.m. ET, the moon will start to drift into the darkest part of Earth's shadow, slowly turning rusty red. By 11:39 p.m., more than 90% will be in shadow; just a thin crescent will be visible on the upper left side. The event should be visible throughout North America. Western Europe and parts of Africa and the Middle East will see it the morning of March 24. "What makes this special for most observers is that it's the last partial eclipse that will be seen for several years," says Fred Espenak, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. The next partial lunar eclipse won't come until July 1999 and will be visible mostly in the western USA. But just 40% of the moon will be dark. The next total eclipse comes in January 2000. The color and density of Earth's shadow on the moon varies according to the amount of volcanic activity on the planet. When volcanic ash is thick in the atmosphere, Earth's shadow tends to be dark. But because there is little ash in the atmosphere now, most of the moon will appear reddish, with a bright top that resembles a polar ice cap. Some observers point out that the moon will look the way Mars might appear - polar ice cap and all - if that planet were just half a million miles away from Earth. Mars is 48 million miles from Earth at its closest point. Mars will be visible Sunday night as a bright orange dot to the upper right of the moon. Mars will be separated from the moon by a little more than the width of a fist at arm's length. "A lunar eclipse is not of much scientific interest, but it is a beautiful natural phenomenon," Espenak says. "It's a chance to just get out with the kids and enjoy nature. And even if you're in the city with all the city lights, you can still get a good view." Comet Hale-Bopp, meanwhile, is growing brighter as its time on the celestial stage shortens in the hours before dawn and lengthens in the hours after sunset. It passes closest by Earth Saturday at 122 million miles; it will be at its brightest from Monday to April 10. Comet watchers on the West Coast, especially the Pacific Northwest, are in for a bonus Sunday when the lunar eclipse will cleanse the sky of moonlight right during prime comet-watching time. After dusk, the comet will be high in the northwest section of the sky. Hale-Bopp is about to pass through a region where solar wind turbulence will cause it to lose part of its curved, bluish tail of electrically charged gases. It will still have its yellowish dust tail. "The tail might start acting up," says Steve Maran, spokesman for the American Astronomical Society. "You might see the tail break off, but the comet will grow a new one." spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) updated... http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sat Mar 22 16:52:56 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:52:56 +0300 Subject: Queens of Deliria & Bootlegs Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Butterworth's bibliogrophy entry: > > The time of the Hawklords (1976) > Queens of Deliria (1977) > Planets of Peril (1977) <- Space 1999 stuff > Mindbreaks of Space (1977) (with Jeff Jones) Space 1999 stuff > The Space Jackers (1977) Space 1999 stuff > The Psychomorph (1977) Space 1999 stuff > The Time Fighters (1977) Space 1999 stuff > The Edge of the Infinite (1977) Space 1999 stuff. I have an old edition of QoD and on the back cover it is written: This is the second volume in the trilogy which began with _The Time of the Hawklords_. The final volume _Ledge of Darkness_ will be published in 1978. Since you didn't mention it, it seems ths 3rd volume was never released? Yuri Elik From robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM Sat Mar 22 17:54:29 1997 From: robbiel at RMMASSOCIATES.COM (chariot) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: concepts Message-ID: > From: Jerry > Subject: OFF: concepts > Date: Friday, March 21, 1997 1:01 AM > > Savatage - Streets (heavy) > Er, why not try BOC - Imaginos? :-) > > Jerry Streets is great; a little weak in spots but all around pretty cool. What about THE CONCEPT album, Jesus Christ Superstar? The most BOC-like I ever heard. by silverfish imperatrix, Chariot From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 22 17:54:51 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 22:54:51 GMT Subject: HW: Ledge/Furry Silver Boots Message-ID: On s?n 23 mar 1997 00.52 "Yuri Elik" wrote: > I have an old edition of QoD and on the back cover it is written: > This is the second volume in the trilogy which began with _The Time of > the Hawklords_. > The final volume _Ledge of Darkness_ will be published in 1978. > Since you didn't mention it, it seems ths 3rd volume was never released? Not in the form that would have been expected in 1978. _Ledge_ was released as a graphic novel by Griffin in the 25th anniversary box set. Gods only know if it had any connection to what might have been intended for 1978. I did stumble across today--while cleaning out old files--an ancient apocryphal _Ledge_ piece penned by our very own FoFP and posted to the list some while back :) Speaking of which, does anyone still have a copy of the infamous "furry silver boots" piece on the well-dressed HawkFan? I know I had a copy once, but I seem to have lost it ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Mar 22 19:06:51 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:06:51 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >Shari Hill wrote: >> And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the >> only one on this list?!?! > > I've made a comment similar to this a couple of months ago, but I shall >reprise it here... > The amount of female input in the realms of Hawkwind is virtually nil >(at least as far as the actual band is concerned). Hawkwind had one >female vocalist, who sang on about five or so songs that I know of, of >which I only have one of (from "Palace Springs" live). The only other >feminine facet of the band are the (in my opinion) quite poor taste >dancers that "jiggle their breasts" at the audience during concerts. Bridget was also on 'Space Bandits', which I quite like. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Mar 22 19:06:53 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:06:53 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: >It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. How many hard rock/heavy >metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? Why >is Sean Yseult one of only two women to have performed on stage at Donington >ever? (No, I can't remember who was the other!) Have you ever seen a >Whitesnake video?!? > >For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any >dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And >back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the >on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual >liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in >the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just >breasts jiggling if they did... To be fair, BOC has played at a number of clothings optional resorts, and I think they got one of their early breaks at some kind of swingers club.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 22 20:10:29 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:10:29 -0800 Subject: OFF Jeff Beck/Punky Meadows/Angel/Frank Zappa/Friday Afternoon Message-ID: **HANGS HEAD IN SHAME** > >Have you ever heard FZ's BABY SNAKES or LIVE IN NY release? If you >haven't, the line above >(and several others I used) were take >directly from a track that appears on those releases, titled >"Punky's Whips". Not only do I know the track (I have"Baby Snakes" but my "Live in NY" is the 'censored' vinyl double), not only am I a huge FZ fan, but the first time I ever saw Zappa was with that band & he PERFORMED it. GROAN. I recognised the latter part, but had forgotten the JB reference - hence my somewhat intemperate outburst. My only excuse is that age has addled my brain (along with seeing a different new guitar hero acclaimed in every one of the last 25 years, most of whom couldn't play their way out of a paper bag). > >So, relax, it was all a bit of humour! > OK, I'll let you off this time :--{)> OBDecorating Music: Live 1976 & Rainbow- Live in Germany --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Mar 22 15:12:14 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:12:14 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > > I've made a comment similar to this a couple of months ago, but I shall > >reprise it here... > > The amount of female input in the realms of Hawkwind is virtually nil > >(at least as far as the actual band is concerned). Hawkwind had one > >female vocalist, who sang on about five or so songs that I know of, of > >which I only have one of (from "Palace Springs" live). The only other > >feminine facet of the band are the (in my opinion) quite poor taste > >dancers that "jiggle their breasts" at the audience during concerts. you mean you don't like kris tait's fire breathing? and what about michelle and pebs' dancing on the 96 euro tour? their mode of dress may have attracted the males' eyes, but their breasts jiggled not. there was another dancer whose breasts did in fact jiggle quite a bit, but it was done theatrically, that is, she only appeared during assassins of allah, which represents a culture where breast jiggling was expected of harem women by their "lords". and maybe the shortage of women's input has nothing to do with estimations of talent, but more in the current members' choices of who they have to hang out with. and also, i understand that bridgett did not appear on the 91 US tour, because her boyfriend wouldn't let her. maybe it has to do with entanglements that were encountered on previous attempts. and (this is a joke) i want to know why there were no men in the go-gos, or the bangles, or bananarama... or why there were no women in black sabbath. or why there are no men in devo? as far as poor taste, it is that, a matter of taste. i don't know about stacia, but in atlanta ga, 1995, a girl from the opening act volunteered to dance for HW. dave was happy to have some movement on stage, and accepted. the band was as surprised as anyone else when she got naked.(especially since it was an all ages show.) as to the Blacksword vid, im sure the promoters or producers or whoever had some say in what was done on stage. i don't think a musical group' sexual make up or preferences, for that matter is relevant to anything, as far as liking their music goes. you might as well complain about the lack of melotron sounds in yer favorite bluegrass band. rj (please, don't react to this as if it were a flame, cos that crap gets old fast) From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 22 20:27:31 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:27:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: MM/plagiarism Message-ID: Andy_Gilham wrote >_The Broken Sword_ is from 1954 - it's a loooooong time since I read >it, but >it features a cursed sword of unnaturally dark hue... I do >remember it as a very fine book indeed, but like I said... > >I can't offhand trace the reference where MM mentioned it - it might >even have been in discussion at a signing or something - but I'm sure >he has acknowledged it. I think it's a long way from borrowing a >device to out-and-out plagiarism, though - the tone of Anderson's >book is that of Nordic myth, not at all like that of the Elric >stories. Yes, a very fine book, although in the foreword to my copy (a mid '70s paperback) Anderson says that he couldn't imagine writing anything so violent by then. He also pointed out that the myth of the broken sword was one he'd lifted from Northen European folklore, coincidentally he'd been sipping from the same well as Tolkien did for Aragorn's sword in LOTR ObNew: Tricky "Pre Millenium Tension" & Chemical Brothers "Exit Planet Dust" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 22 21:55:21 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 02:55:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Going home for Easter Message-ID: Dear All, I'm off out of it today, back to my relentlessly un-networked home, so I'll see you all in a few weeks. Do what you can to keep anything disastrous happening until I get back so I don't miss it totally. Carl, phone me if there are concerts, esp. in re Ozrics in London on the 27th (No. in my auto-reply). See you all soon, Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 22 23:31:44 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:31:44 +1000 Subject: OFF: Calling RJ Message-ID: Sorry folks ... Yeah, I got your mail ... did you get my reply???? Son-ique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 22 23:46:37 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:46:37 +1000 Subject: HW: ISOS Vinyl for sale Message-ID: This was posted to rec.music.progessive: >Hi , is there a newsgroup for selling , what I think is a pretty rare >record , in the UK ??? > >?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >? But then again it might not be that rare , any advice would be ? >? appreciated !! ????????????????????????????????????????????????? >?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > >The album title is "IN SEARCH OF SPACE" and the artist is "HAWKWIND". >It's got book style cover which opens outwards , there is a book >included with it called "THE HAWKWIND LOG". It was released through >United Artists with a catalogue number of UAG 29202. >Its all in pristene condition with no scratches. > >Any ideas on priceless/worthless argument gratefully accepted by email. > >Dave.B > > >-- > ______________________________________________________ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Dave Brown - (01235)763540 - brownie at rmplc.co.uk > http://www.rmplc.co.uk/eduweb/sites/brownie/index.html > ______________________________________________________ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 22 23:23:20 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:23:20 +1000 Subject: HW: Vinyl in US Message-ID: Hi all, Apparently, "Off the Record" in San Diego (3849 fifth Ave, San Diego, 92103) have a ton of used HW vinyl for sale Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 22 23:54:34 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:54:34 +1000 Subject: OFF- Eloy In-Reply-To: <01BC3544.6F0B6FC0@dynamic-8.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On 20 Mar 97 at 15:36, Craig Shipley wrote: > You may want to snag a copy of CHRONICLES VOL 1 & 2. This was a remake of > all of the old Eloy "hits", using modern recording techniques, with the > exception of the more modern, already digital, recordings. I'd second that, definitely! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 23 00:45:42 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:45:42 +1000 Subject: HW: ISOS Vinyl for sale Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > >Dave.B I was wondering about that (until I saw the sig...) ______________________________________________________ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Dave Brown - (01235)763540 - brownie at rmplc.co.uk > > http://www.rmplc.co.uk/eduweb/sites/brownie/index.html > > ______________________________________________________ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 23 00:55:09 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:55:09 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > you mean you don't like kris tait's fire breathing? > and what about michelle and pebs' dancing on the 96 euro tour? > their mode of dress may have attracted the males' eyes, but their breasts > jiggled not. there was another dancer whose breasts did in fact jiggle quite a bit, > but it was done theatrically, that is, she only appeared during assassins of allah, > which represents a culture where breast jiggling was expected of harem women by > their "lords". Ooohhhh... I have absolutely no complaint with the performance art (or whatever) on the Alien tour. That was great. I was more referring to the earlier days. People I have chatted to who went to the concerts in the early days (i.e.. "Hawkwind" & "ISOS" era) knew people who only went to the concerts because it was the only place where you could see nudie women dancers. SNIP>>> > I don't think a musical group' sexual make up or preferences, for that matter > is relevant to anything, as far as liking their music goes. You might as well > complain about the lack of melotron sounds in yer favorite bluegrass band. I say again, that it wasn't really a complaint, but rather that I would like to see a little more creative input by "the other" sex. Hawkwind's a band that I almost can't fault in any way, and this is about the only aspect that seems to be could make it a bit better (IMHO, at any rate...) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sun Mar 23 03:34:51 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:34:51 -0700 Subject: HW: Ledge/Furry Silver Boots Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Speaking of which, does anyone still have a copy of the infamous "furry > silver boots" piece on the well-dressed HawkFan? I know I had a copy once, > but I seem to have lost it ... I'd sure like to read that if it's found-sounds interesting! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace For a long time, the dancers have generally been as decently clad as any dancers, and there's often been equal numbers of male and female dancers. And back in the early '70s, we were still into hippy shit like "Hair", and the on-stage nudity, by Stacia in particular, was more in a spirit of sexual liberation that sexual titillation. I don't know if the band ever played in the nude, as they threatened once, but it would have been more than just breasts jiggling if they did... I agree. The HW dancers I've seen (on video, at least) don't seem to be performing in any form of sexual titilation. If anyone want's to view that sort of thing, maybe they should take a look at most of the top 40 film clips. Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. I don't know if this refers to Steve Swindells or not, but in an article he wrote recently for Time Out, he says this: A strange coincidence led to me writing about 'Welcome To The Future', the band's new Website. My best girlfriend, who used to run their office in the '70s, came to lunch the other day. As I opened the door, I noticed some late post, including, much to our mutual surprise, a letter from the Hawkwind manager, Doug Smith. It transpired that he had been trying to track me down after all these years to let me know that I was due some royalties! Karmic returns, one might say. I read recently on this list that he was apparantly involved in some way with the gay movement. Couldn't he not be involved, and have a girlfriend as well? Also, does he mean girlfriend in the way we think?? Of course, since the band has had more members than 2 soccer teams put together, then there is always the possibility of at least one gay member. On the subject of female members, Don't forget Kris Tait, who I would regard as a silent member, in much the same way as Stacia was. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 22 21:03:08 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:03:08 +0800 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: Again, I'm not directing this complaint -directly- at HW, but I think it's a valid point. The fact that the only thing that women do in front of the audience is dance about, and don't sing/play instruments/etc, reinforces such misguided notions as "that's where they belong", or "they couldn't play the instruments, because it's not right". One of those dancers is Kris Tate, who I believe plays a major role in the composition of many of Dave's songs. William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Mar 23 10:59:11 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:59:11 UT Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators Message-ID: >>various artists: _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye_ >Um, Um, where'd you get it, huh? This'll be the only Cope *and* the only >Primals track I'm aware off, that I don't have.... I think I got it in Virgin, at some outrageous price on US import. It's on Sire/Warner Brothers, 9-26422-2. The Primal Scream is "Slip Inside This House", which I think is on _Screamadelica_; the Cope is "I Have Always Been Here Before". Also recommended is Sister Double Happiness' version of "Two-Headed Dog"! >Roky's recent-ish solo - "All That May Do My Rhyme" gets my seal of >approval. Mine too! Don't get me wrong! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Mar 23 11:36:51 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 16:36:51 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > members of Hawkwind ever. > Didn't Andy (Android) Anderson drum with them on one tour? He played with Steve Hillage (see Live Herald for photo) and [if it matters to any one anyway, other than a refutation of an unlevelled claims of racism] he is black (or Black, if there is a difference). Call me a sad foolish completist of almost unrelated HW items if you must, but I bought Salt Tank's album yesterday, because they give special thanks to dave brock and doug + eve smith. Mike w From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Mar 23 15:32:32 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:32:32 GMT Subject: Edition ATLAS version Message-ID: Hi all I'd like to trade the following CD, that has been released only in France for Editions Atlas in a "Les genies du rock" collection in the 80's. It's a version of "Bring me the head of Y G" named "Urban Guerilla", licensed from the Charly record from 1987; Gaga, in the Egg, and Wage war included. Sleevenotes, and Nik photo. Olivier From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Mar 23 17:33:14 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:33:14 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 Mar 97 at 3:23, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I'm sure I saw a reproduction of a press clipping in a HW book > somewhere which solemnly assured us that they did perform naked ....? I recall reading somewhere (Phil Frank's wev site?) that they were actually taken to court over performing naked ... Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Mar 23 17:49:11 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:49:11 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: <33348BC9.2FA5@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 23 Mar 97 at 9:47, William Duffy wrote: > members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay > member. > > I don't know if this refers to Steve Swindells or not, but in an article he > wrote recently for Time Out, he says this: > A strange coincidence led to me writing about 'Welcome To The Future', the > band's new Website. My best girlfriend, who used to run their office in the > > I read recently on this list that he was apparantly involved in some way > with the gay movement. Couldn't he not be involved, and have a girlfriend as > well? Also, does he mean girlfriend in the way we think?? Of course, since > the band has had more members than 2 soccer teams put together, then there > is always the possibility of at least one gay member. Just for the record, Steve Swindells *is* gay, and proud of it ... check out his CV - I can't remember the URL, but I'm sure an Altavista search would turn it up. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 23 18:02:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:02:31 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: > > I read recently on this list that he was apparantly involved in some > > way with the gay movement. Couldn't he not be involved, and have a > > girlfriend as well? Also, does he mean girlfriend in the way we > > think?? > > Just for the record, Steve Swindells *is* gay, and proud of it .. Hey, just because he's gay doesn't mean he _couldn't_ have a (female) girlfriend if he (and s/he) wanted. Let's not leap into stereotypical assumptions :) Pity his primary legacy with Hawkwind was penning only "Shot Down in the Night". That's a great song (though frankly, done better on _Live '79_ than on Steve's solo album). Cheers, Carl From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Mar 24 14:37:24 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:37:24 EST Subject: HW: New line-up. In-Reply-To: <332A7440.7C87@sundsvall.mail.telia.com>; from "Henrik Hallgren" at Mar 15, 97 11:04:48 am Message-ID: Hi was watching the treeworthy (sp?) tree farm video the other day,and remembered the guitarist during the last song-lost chronicles. Its definately not huw,since he had left a few months earlier,so could this be Jerry Richards ? Maybe this was he first performance with the band. regards Marty From stayer at PI.NET Mon Mar 24 03:04:51 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:04:51 -0800 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's and other unchanged subject lines Message-ID: On 22 Mar 97 at 3:23, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > I'm sure I saw a reproduction of a press clipping in a HW book > > somewhere which solemnly assured us that they did perform naked ....? Paul G Ward wrote: > I recall reading somewhere (Phil Frank's wev site?) that they were actually > taken to court over performing naked ... Could we please change the subject line? I pressed the delete button a couple of times to many by now... My own fault, I know, but you could be of any help... :-) Jerry From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Mar 24 00:48:59 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:48:59 EST Subject: OFF: Eloy Message-ID: >If anyone has _any_ CDs by either of these bands for sale, >please drop me a line! > >MWood > One can find Nekar and Eloy CD's for moderate prices via the internet at CDNow...I ordered _Remember The Future_ and_A Tab In the Ocean_ from them. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Mar 24 06:25:09 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:25:09 UT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: Max > What's more the Elric looked extremely silly. Ah, well you won't get an argument from me there! :) Actually, I think I mostly agree with you, about rock/metal being very male-dominated, and this not necessarily being a good thing. (And about getting grief from the women in your life about it! :) It's just that I wouldn't have classed Hawkwind as being among the worst offenders - Stacia notwithstanding! (I think the Stacia phenomenon really has to be looked at in the context of the times.) (And in case I didn't make myself clear to anyone, I certainly wasn't accusing HW of racism - I forgot about Andy Anderson! - just trying to make a point that if you're going to criticise them for not having women in the group, why stop there.) - Andy ObCD: REM - _New Adventures in Hi-Fi_ Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 06:48:52 1997 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:48:52 +0000 Subject: Female fans etc In-Reply-To: <199703221040.KAA16706@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > >Shari Hill wrote: > >> And yes, just to clarify things a bit, I AM female. Surely I can't be the > >> only one on this list?!?! > >Me too! even tho my trade is predominately male-and it seems that I have me too! > I imagine the jigglings of breasts and such do put a damper on certain bands' > appeal to female fans. IMO, it _is_ poor taste, but if I actually make it > out to see a concert, I'm not going to let a few bouncing breasts spoil it > for me. I find it most amusing and especially like watching the audiences eyes fall out if they're not expecting it. > > The lack of female input in Hawkwind, and to a lesser extent "space > >rock" (or whatever you call it) is a very sad thing, as in the few > >occasions that women have entered this arena, they have been a breath of > >fresh air, as it were. hmmmm... I can't agree that there is a lack of female input in Hawkwind... especially if you compare them with 90% of the other progressve bands around... and blow me if they didn't have a female fronting them at some point (Bridget) I actually prefer the male voice when it comes to rock singing.. it just 'goes' with the territory. > Andy wrote: > > >It's unfair, IMO, to single Hawkwind out for sexism. How many hard > rock/heavy > >metal bands - except for "girl groups" - have ever had female members? Exactly. > Don't know who/what Stacia is/was, but it's generally been said that if you > don't appreciate nudity or the like, you don't have to go to the shows. For > such people, both male and female, it's probably best to stay home and listen > to the albums in peace. Or, you learn to adapt. Or we could send them to the bar to get the beers in. > Anyway, joking aside, you might as well complain about the lack of Black > members of Hawkwind ever. Although they've had at least one gay member. If they are going to get a black musician can I please recommend Gregg White whom I had the privilege of seeing last night... that guy could do everything with a guitar. He played a pokey little gig in Leicester but is about to go on tour with B.B. King. He's also played with Micahel Jackson, but we'll forgive that one eh? > From: Bryan Young > Subject: HW: Female Input / Questions > > 1) How do you pronounce the name "Huw"? I am from Canada and have > never heard such a name spoken. I assume it is alike to "Hugh". Yep. > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's > Well there's Jill, of course. And presumably Maxine lurking somewhere? You rang m'lud? And now for some OBHawkwind gossip.... I was chatting to a guy at the gig last night who backed HW at a concert/festival in germany. He said that last year at the festival Hawkwinds tour bus managed to short circuit the whole affair by running over the main power cable.... since it was dark all festivites were conducted by cadlelight and without live music. Did anyone attend, Bernhard? Toodle pip for now Maxine ==================================================================== The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day Shall fold their tents like arabs And as silently steal away. H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 http://severn.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/Welcome.html ==================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 05:05:42 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:05:42 +0000 Subject: HW: HLL In-Reply-To: <540.5191T1268T2444@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <540.5191T1268T2444 at vossnet.co.uk>, simon writes > >Haven't the foggiest idea. Too long ago. As I remember It was billed as Huw's >first solo gig. The place was VERY full. > >Si > >sihalley at vossnet.co.uk Oh. I couldn't have been at that one then. I'm sure if it had been his first I'd have remembered that. I do remember "Outside The Law" album covers wallpapering the place tho'.... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 05:01:06 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:01:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes > >The Primal Scream is "Slip Inside This House", which I think is on >_Screamadelica_; the Cope is "I Have Always Been Here Before". phew!! Got them both! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 05:13:34 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:13:34 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Grumpy Old Git writes >Call me a sad foolish completist of almost unrelated HW items if you >must, but I bought Salt Tank's album yesterday, because they give special >thanks to dave brock and doug + eve smith. > >Mike w But it's a really good album anyway, so it doesn't count! More tellingly, did you spring the three and a half quid for "Live and Rare"? *grin* -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 07:39:20 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:39:20 GMT Subject: HW: Nekkid Wimmin and misc In-Reply-To: Bryan Young's message of Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:31:13 -0800 Message-ID: Re. Stacia >From what I've read of the situation I understand that Stacia was very proud of her body and to some extent her performance was simply a part of the Earth Mother and "natural" environment - Seeing Things As They Really Are - aspects of the 70s sort of effect - you have to have been there....! This *was* after all the period of Hair and other such liberating stage performances! It certainly took the audiences by storm - and the reviewers too. Someone told me a story once about going to see his first ever rock gig which turned out to be Hawkwind's Space Ritual tour. This was in Dublin where there are strict conventions about exactly what stage apparel you are supposed or not supposed to wear. Anyhow Stacia apparently hid out in the audience so that Hawkwind started the set quite legit and then Stacia emerged from among the audience and joined them on stage to the amazement of the crowd who had never seen anything like this before - and given the light show, the music and everything else of that period it must have been stunning! Certainly the bloke telling me the story was mesmerised by it - the only problem being that he expected every rock band he went to see afterwards to be the same - such disappointment!! > BURNING QUESTION (I would have called it a burning issue, but I wanted > to avoid the Freudian slip.) > -------> Max asked about the band Underground Zero. I want to know, > too! > Who are they, when were they around, and what is their connection? I > have them on my _Best of FnR_ CD but it has no liner notes! > > When somebody enlightens us about Underground Zero, another band on the > same compilation is Stravinsky's Shoe. Who/what/when are they? Underground Zero were two of the various bands that have become associated in some way with the Hawkwind scene over the years. In this case they produced some tapes (Underground Zero may even have released an album I'm not sure) and Brian Tawn (HawkFan) thought highly of them and would regularly promote them in his publications. I think tracks from both bands can found on his HawkFan issue that came out as a 12" and a cassette tape but I don't think either band made more of a commercial success than as Hawkwind related support. I guess Salt Tank, and Astralasia are bands in a similar situation that come most recently to mind although both are commercial successes in their own right as well. > > STUPID QUESTIONS: not necessarily - > Okay, I had to do this, but it's going to hurt me > a lot more than it will hurt you... > 1) How do you pronounce the name "Huw"? I am from Canada and have > never heard such a name spoken. I assume it is alike to "Hugh". > (And why is it Huw Lloyd on the first CD's notes? If he were female I > would assume he got married and hyphenated his name instead of changing > it completely.) Huw is indeed pronounced the same as Hugh - it's the Welsh spelling of the name. I didn't realise he was originally listed as Huw Lloyd (even more Welsh!). But yes, I'm sure his wife's name was Marion Langton and they must have decided to link the two names. Nice. > 2) I know what it signifies, but what is the literal word-for-word > phrasing associated with "ObCD"? > Ob: obligatory > FYI, ObCD: Thin Lizzy/Vagabonds of the Western World > > Thanks for your time. I won't sound like such a newbie next time. > (Yeah, Right!) > > Bryan Young 's okay! I can still remember having to ask what "Church of Hawkwind" was 8-))) Obfemalefan> jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 05:29:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:29:36 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: <3333925A.32AA@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <3333925A.32AA at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes > > This is a good point, but also you must consider that as HW come from >the UK, where (about) 51% of the population are female, whereas other >ethnic groups make up substantially less of the population. > Anyway, I say again that I'm not really complaining about the band, and >it's not as if I'm going to get angry and throw all my albums out the >window or anything, but rather I'm just making an observation, and >commenting on something that I think is unjust in our society. When I was in Africa a few years ago, I got talking to a guy called Bob who was in a local drum oriented band. There was about twelve of them. I asked why there weren't any women in the band. He said they'd love to have women in the band. In fact, women came up to him too and (pointedly) asked why there wasn't any women in the band. He would say they were welcome to join and they'd reply that they didn't want to join themselves, they just wanted to see other women being able to, if *they* wanted to. Bob pointed out that they were, it was up to them. My wife runs a Magic : The Gathering (Fantasy Card Game) club at our local pub. There are 30 members, all male and her. There's no reason women shouldn't join or come along, but they just don't. Including all her friends, who love the *idea*, come once and really enjoy it. But they don't come back, for some reason. If a shit-hot bassist turned up right now, I doubt very much if the band would turn her down. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 24 07:01:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:01:33 EDT Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: > From: Albert T Bouchard > > You know, the night before, we're playing at Spirits Tavern & Cafe > 315-253-2244 in Auburn, NY which is just a little ways from Syracuse. On > that show we'll be the only act and will be playing 3 sets, each of which > will be different. I have no idea what the sound will be like but we'll be > doing some rarities. Hope to see some new faces for the first time. Torgo, > Ted? Our future plans for upstate have us doing Albany, May 3rd and I'll likely be playing myself that night, but if not, I'll make it for sure... > Rocherster and Buffalo around June 12th or so. There's an outside chance of > doing Utica sometime in the near future but that's about it for upstate > until fall (sorry Jason, Potsdam is not possible until Sept. at the > earliest). > > Al WEren't you hinting at a gig in Clayton for a week? I sure hope that happens. Also, Al, Styleens hasn't been advertising the gig in their weekly ads. Can somebody kick them in the ass? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 24 08:43:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:43:45 -0500 Subject: MM/plagiarism Message-ID: >Right on both counts! says Carl, just returned from Star Wars (which ruled, naturally) Speakin' of which - I fulfilled a boyhood dream last week -- went to my local theatre at 11:00 in the morning, and watched all 3 Star Wars movies back to back to back in order --> what fun! :-) John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 05:35:46 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:35:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Female Input / Questions In-Reply-To: <33333661.7F5E@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <33333661.7F5E at hotmail.com>, Bryan Young writes >STUPID QUESTIONS: Okay, I had to do this, but it's going to hurt me >a lot more than it will hurt you... > 1) How do you pronounce the name "Huw"? I am from Canada and have >never heard such a name spoken. I assume it is alike to "Hugh". It is. Welsh spelling, I believe. >(And why is it Huw Lloyd on the first CD's notes? If he were female I >would assume he got married and hyphenated his name instead of changing >it completely.) Some men do it too. I know a guy who changed from Baker to Baker-Smith when he got married. > 2) I know what it signifies, but what is the literal word-for-word >phrasing associated with "ObCD"? Ob-ligatory. You *gotta* hear this! as in ObCD - new Chemical Brothers single " Block Rockin Beats"- out today! mmm nice! -- Jon Browne From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 09:30:54 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:30:54 GMT Subject: HW: UK Tour Details ? Message-ID: Have Hawkwind released details of this years UK tours yet , or are we piecing the list together from UK BOC-L members. Thanks Derrick... --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Mar 24 10:11:11 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:11:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival. WITH HAWKWIND!!!!!! Message-ID: Hi folks Just received the great message that HAWKWIND have confirmed their appereance at the Free Festival in HAMBURG from 13.06.1997 - 15.06.1997 Bave Brock himself phoned my friend (one of the organizers) yesterday and told him that HW will be there!!!!!!!! Here are again the bands which will be there: - HAWKWIND - BEDOUIN (Alan Daveys band) - DARXTAR - Nik Turner (with The Moore) - Captain Rizz Any questions ????? Bernhard From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Mar 24 09:27:00 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:27:00 -0700 Subject: HW Female input Message-ID: this that same old prog cliche, you could dig yourself into a hole trying to analyze why. when I attend Progfest in Los Angeles, you are talking some serious gender imbalance. Actually the 2 bands represented by this list are 2 of the least sexist I know of. BOC lyrics, which is why I like the band, are excellent and non-sexual. they do deal in sarcasm though, and should be taken tongue in cheek at times. HW is very non-sexist, they are for all to enjoy or not. I have never seen images from these bands of the kind your basic rockin' metal or glam band have. As far a "nekkid chicks" on stage go, that was the times (for better or worse) Hell if I was at Stonehenge or the Space Ritual show and winging around on a few tabs of quality LSD, who knows what could happen (yikes!). Grateful Dead shows are known for naked dancing, even COPULATION at times! All that "Hippie Shit" as someone said. Nik's comment about sure you can dance, but you gotta be naked, is out of line in any time. However she didn't see a problem eith it, and danced naked. Plus everybody was all fucked up and everything was beautiful, being naked was beautiful, I really can't see it as exploitation. However being a male I am oblivious to what a woman might think about it. Which is why it's a good thing to hear these things from the woman's perspective. From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Mar 24 10:22:13 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Festival. WITH HAWKWIND!!!!!! Message-ID: > > Just received the great message that HAWKWIND have confirmed their > appereance at the Free Festival in HAMBURG > from 13.06.1997 - 15.06.1997 > > Bave Brock himself phoned my friend (one of the organizers) yesterday and > told him that HW will be there!!!!!!!! > > Here are again the bands which will be there: > > - HAWKWIND > - BEDOUIN (Alan Daveys band) > - DARXTAR > - Nik Turner (with The Moore) > - Captain Rizz > > Any questions ????? > Yes - how come you lucky bastards get such a great lineup ?? ?? ;-) Steve L From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Mar 24 09:47:06 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:47:06 -0700 Subject: HW Female Trouble Message-ID: Well I wish I knew Kris Tait was a woman, I was always under the impression that the tall, pale, albino known to all as Elric, who appeared in the stage show of the CotBS tour, was Kris Tait. Hope I didn't piss her off to much, with my implied "he" remark I made concerning "his" book, Do Not Panic. Her reply to me had no smilies:( Time wil tell I suppose. Sorry. Really I thought... ObCD remark: FSOL-My Kingdom ObGenderID: male From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 10:34:49 1997 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:34:49 GMT Subject: HW: UK Tour Details ? Message-ID: Oooppps, should have checked the web page, sorry Derrick --------------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day Sky High and Six Thousand Miles Away Don't Know How Long I've Been Awake Wound Up in an Amazing State "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 12:25:35 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:25:35 GMT Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:15:09 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > WOTEOT video? You don't mean the Chronicles of the Black Sword video, > by any chance? I don't think - in fact, unless I'm missing some -VITAL- > information, that there IS a WOTEOT vid. > But, if you do have a copy of the laser disk version of the Chonicles > video, does it have the extra Moorcock tracks at the end? If so, I would > beg thee for thy assistance in helping a poor student who hast no access > to the famed video disk system, and to dub a copy of the four Moorcock > songs at the end? I would be ever so grateful, as I think it's a cheep > trick of visionary to release these extra tracks only on the video disk > version... Rudy is the guy to contact on this. He has my copy of the CD-I and is willing to convert to tape format and do trades with fans. Best be quick though cos I've asked for the disc back... FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 24 12:16:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:16:08 +0000 Subject: HW Female input In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Dane Carlson writes > Hell if I was at Stonehenge or the Space Ritual show and winging around on a >few tabs of quality LSD, who knows what could happen (yikes!). There were a *lot* of NCP's (Naked Crazy People) at Stonehenge. - Nearly all blokes, though. :-P -- Jon Browne From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Mar 24 12:34:49 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 03:34:49 +1000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Rudy is the guy to contact on this. He has my copy of the CD-I and is > willing to convert to tape format and do trades with fans. Best be quick > though cos I've asked for the disc back... Excellent! Thanks muchly for the info. Oh, yes. What's his e-mail address? Thanks, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 12:29:03 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:29:03 GMT Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:50:15 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > * Far Flung - 'The Raven Ate the Moon' > I think that this was originally supposed to be called 'Landing on > Cydonia' (also the name of a tune from the first album '25,000 Feet > Per Second'). I haven't picked this up yet because I haven't found > anyone carrying it yet. A glowing review was published in a local > Florida music magazine, so keep your eyes open. Once again, this > will be on Flipside Records (out of San Fran?). If anyone has any Far Flung on tape I'd be into a trade. I've considered buying their CD's but I'd like a sample first. FoFP From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Mar 24 12:32:19 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:32:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival. WITH HAWKWIND!!!!!! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi folks Hi there! > > Just received the great message that HAWKWIND have confirmed their > appereance at the Free Festival in HAMBURG > from 13.06.1997 - 15.06.1997 > > Bave Brock himself phoned my friend (one of the organizers) yesterday and > told him that HW will be there!!!!!!!! Am I a happy guy now!!!! :-))))))), my wife couldn?t understand why I danced for half an hour!?! ;-) .I usually don?t dance, when I?m sober that is ;-). > > Here are again the bands which will be there: > > - HAWKWIND > - BEDOUIN (Alan Daveys band) > - DARXTAR > - Nik Turner (with The Moore) > - Captain Rizz > > Any questions ????? Let?s hope Dark sun will be there as well. > > Bernhard Hawkswede -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 12:45:19 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:45:19 GMT Subject: HW: Ledge/Furry Silver Boots In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Sat, 22 Mar 1997 22:54:51 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > I did stumble across today--while cleaning out old files--an ancient > apocryphal _Ledge_ piece penned by our very own FoFP and posted to the list > some while back :) Ah yes. I never did get back to work on that. I'll dig it ut for a repost. > > Speaking of which, does anyone still have a copy of the infamous "furry > silver boots" piece on the well-dressed HawkFan? I know I had a copy once, > but I seem to have lost it ... I may still have this too.... > Cheers, > Carl FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 12:53:02 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:53:02 GMT Subject: Repost: Furry Silver Boots Message-ID: Reposted from newsgroup alt.peeves circa 1993: egpv29 at castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes: >In article <26496 at skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Not_Al_Crawford at ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford) writes: >-- >--(*) Which leads me to a supplementary peeve. The mental image I had built >--up of Mike Holmes over the past few months was one of a huge, hairy >--Hawkwind fan with hair down to his knees, a beat-up leather jacket with >--"Hawkwind" on it and furry silver boots (obligatory apparel for Hawkwind >--fans I believe). >You forgot to mention the well-thumbed copy of Lord of the Rings. With my longtime experience of Hawkwind gigs (some of which I can even remember) and considerable research in drinking establishments both before and after the gigs, I can now offer the definitive version of what the well dressed *real* Hawkwind fan is wearing this century: The basic article is the labcoat. Dave Brock wore this item on a few tours but 1976, 1980, and 1986 spring immediately to mind. Fans began wearing these around 1979 or 1980. The labcoat should be decorated with patches from as many tours as possible. The rear should have a felt tip pen sketch of an album cover (Space Ritual and Warrior on the Edge of Time are particular favourites) and bonus points are awarded for further album covers drawn on the pockets. Tour badges should be pinned on any other available space. This ensures that once zerogee sets in during the gig, the attendee will remain firmly on the ground. Bouncers just hate it when folks start floating. The labcoat should be autographed by the band if at all possible. Bonus points are given for signatures of any of the 43 ex-members of Hawkwind. Denim jeans are, of course, obligatory. Holes in these are an optional extra. Female Hawkfans will often choose to supplement these with legwarmers in Scotland or by sawing off the legs (of the jeans :-) in almost any other climate. Tour t-shirts are mandatory. There is of course a certain choice to be made. If you've already been to a Hawkwind gig on the current tour then it is considered appropriate to arrive at the gig wearing the current tour t-shirt. This will ensure that people will talk to you and ask questions about who is in the band this week, what tracks will be played at the gig, and whether you've already obtained a tape of last night's gig from the guy on the mixing desk. You are in fact recognised to be An Authority. If this is the first gig on the tour, or dumb stuff like jobs, wives, and girlfriends have prevented you reaching previous gigs, then you have a tricky decision to make. You search the bottom of the cupboard and find that you now have 27 Hawkwind t-shirts, 3 sweatshirts, and a jumper once worn by Del Dettmar. In this case it's best to choose the t-shirt from the tour-that-was-unannounced and that only the Initiated attended. The Acid Daze tour used to be good for this until they reissued the t-shirts. Now it's probably best to go for one of the vintage tours like Sonic Attack or perhaps Spirit of the Age. If in doubt, wear a Bob Calvert t-shirt: it's a limited edition and if you wear a black headband, folks will think you're still in mourning and maybe buy you a drink. Leather jackets are permissible and particularly favoured by bikers whose favourite track is almost always "Angels of Death". Denim jackets are favoured by most others, so much so in fact that it's almost impossible to get them back after girlfriends borrow them "just for the gig". Long hair is favoured by many longtime fans. Those who were at the Isle of Wight gig in '69 will usually advertise the fact by wearing a fashionable bald spot on the top of their head. Furry silver boots are not reccomended. As for what you're carrying. Well the authorities can often take a keen interest in this either before or after the gig. Lord of the Rings doesn't cut it though. It's de rigeur to have the current tour program handy and you should also carry either the Italian lyric book, or the latest album, just in case you meet a band member who can autograph it. A complete list of your live tapes collection is also useful for when you meet someone trading these. On the other hand, you could wear a spacesuit. You'll probably be able to walk on to the stage and play synth. Everyone will figure it's another ex-member come back to guest for a bit. How to behave: First head for a pub that's reasonably near the gig. This is best done about four hours beforehand if adequate preparation is to be made. The pub will already be full of very hairy people. The real Hawkwind fans will be wearing labcoats. The regular but uncomitted will be wearing tour t-shirts and denims, and if there's a short Scottish guy with blond hair there, you should buy him a drink. There will be a number of incredibly young looking folks too. They became fans with the Live Chronicles LP and can be easily amused with tales of any of the 70's tours when you were a lad.... It's then necessary to drink copious quantities of alcohol and talk to other fans about what the best album is, your favourite tour, how hard it is to get the Hassan I Sabha single etc. Brownie points are awarded here for tales of having seen Hawkwind at any Free Festival. During the gig it's important to recognise at least the regular songs. Credibility is totally lost if you don't recognise Master of the Universe or Magnu by the third note. If you decided to sing along and you get the lyrics wrong, don't worry, the band never seem too sure either at times. Pretending you recognise every song is not advised. They do occassionally try out some new ones and if you're freaking out while everyone else is looking puzzled then no one will buy you a drink after the gig. This situation can only be saved by "Oh, Dave and Alan were trying this one out at a private party last week.....". If any unusual cigarrettes happen your way, it's obligatory to take them. Whether you inhale or not is personal choice. Try to remember to pass it on. Do not do this if the guy next to you is very tall and dressed only in black and white. This would be a serious faux pas. After the gig you will probably be confused, your ears will be ringing, and things will mostly be rotating. It is important to avoid going out into the street singing the words to Hassan I Sabha. This will earn you weird looks from people who weren't at the gig and possibly the attention of the local constabulary. The real fans are now behind the theatre hoping to talk to the band backstage. The others are in the pub organising tape swaps. Look for the blond Scot and buy him more beer. Next week: Hawkwind mispressings. Know your stuff. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 12:56:36 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:56:36 GMT Subject: Repost: Edge of Darkness Message-ID: SICK OF POLITICIANS..... He was standing in the usual mission-control scenery for these broadcasts. The anchorman sat at a horsehoe table with four pols. Three looked very tired. The other, more animated, wore the standard blue suit. Up above them loomed giant screens covered in graphs, charts, and maps. Much of the country was dark blue now, bleeding the wrong colour. The comp predictions were for a landslide majority. It wouldn't be confirmed for over an hour yet, but Harvey knew it was over. Money, fear, and the peculiar certainty of belonging to something unstoppable had won over too many people. Too many of those at least still based enough in reality to go out and vote. The Progress Party had finally clawed its way into government. The world would be a different place tomorrow and more people would be making the short exodus out of reality. Put on a helmet and switch off the world. See you in five years. Maybe. The Music Pollution Bill would go through within the week. Funny how they could twist anything. Just cleaning up the environment. Who could complain? Who would dare. He felt like heading for a gig, for old times' sake. There were places where folks would defy it to the last. Folks would still be dancing, perhaps more desperately tonight. Some would have notebooks in the pockets of the clothes they wore for disguise. They danced to a different tune and if you looked closely, you could almost see the suits they weren't wearing. He made a short gesture and moved to the Place. He was sitting on a small icemoon orbiting Saturn. Staring down at the coloured bands. In the silence, voting results still rang in his ears. This though, was a different world. One that hadn't just been totally changed. This program wouldn't have approval. He even had some music for it, but silence was what he needed tonight. They couldn't eliminate entire forms of music altogether, but they'd try. They'd be watching for gigs in the Net as well as the world. Uniformity would come even here, out in the rings of Saturn. Something glinted in the corner of his eye. Not a tear, it was growing. Not another icemoon either. Wrong trajectory. Someone had invaded the program. Trouble? No, it was too subtle for them. They'd grab him in the world if anywhere. Someone had to have some very neat sofware to get in here. He wondered who'd written it. The object was larger now, approaching him. Whoever it was, they had a sense of theatre. A large silver egg was gliding up to his perch on the icemoon. Before it collided with him, It stopped, hanging there in space in front of him. Suddenly cracks appeared in the egg. It split apart and a silver-metal hawk flew out, looped over him, and dived down to Saturn. He watched it until it was lost in the spinning coloured bands. A hawk, he should have known. Even if they were monitoring this, they'd never understand. He gestured and dropped out. He had to get the chip from its hiding place. They'd jail him for sure just for owning this. He slotted it into the helmet and tuned in again. He was standing in a street, outside a restaurant. He looked up and read the sign: "Hall of the Mountain Grill". He smiled and went in. Dave was sitting at a table, grinning. "Glad you got my note" he said. "I'm getting the band back together. I hope we haven't left it too late". From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Mar 24 12:59:35 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:59:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival. WITH HAWKWIND!!!!!! Message-ID: At 10:22 24.03.97 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Just received the great message that HAWKWIND have confirmed their >> appereance at the Free Festival in HAMBURG >> from 13.06.1997 - 15.06.1997 >> >> Bave Brock himself phoned my friend (one of the organizers) yesterday and >> told him that HW will be there!!!!!!!! >> >> Here are again the bands which will be there: >> >> - HAWKWIND >> - BEDOUIN (Alan Daveys band) >> - DARXTAR >> - Nik Turner (with The Moore) >> - Captain Rizz >> >> Any questions ????? >> > > >Yes - how come you lucky bastards get such a great lineup ?? ?? Well, we have asked the right bands at the right moment. And we have very good connections to DAVE BROCK, ALAN DAVEY and DOUG SMITH Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 13:04:28 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:04:28 GMT Subject: HW: New line-up. In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:37:24 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Hi was watching the treeworthy (sp?) tree farm video the other day,and > remembered the guitarist during the last song-lost chronicles. > > Its definately not huw,since he had left a few months earlier,so could > this be Jerry Richards ? > Maybe this was he first performance with the band. Speaking of which: did Jerey play with the band of the "Hawkdog" gig in '88? Also does anyone know the two non-hawk songs on that gig? One was called "Space Zone" (from chat by Brock during the gig) and the following one was also played on the Agents of Chaos gigs. Were they Tubilah Dog tracks? > regards > > Marty FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 24 12:10:27 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:10:27 EDT Subject: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: > From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton > Organization: Transwest Taxi > Shari Hill wrote: > > > > > > I guess I'm not surprised female input on these bands is minimal--like I told > > Daniel, I've been a big Rush fan for about 10 years, now, and I have yet to > > meet a female who will admit to liking them. > Guess Gloria Steinem IS right. Women are smarter than men! > > I do honestly know some > > shallow-minded bimbos who won't listen to Rush because "they're old and > > ugly." That just burns me up! It's probably better for all concerned if They aren't shallow or bimbos--just have good taste...But that doesn't mean Rush aren't ugly. I don't think age is a factor, just that when they hear Geddy's voice, a completely understandable terror grips them. I'm all man, and Geddy scares the shit out of me... > > they stick to their Bon Jovi, though. I suppose the lack of gooey love songs > > and the inclusion of actual imagination would shatter their fagile psyches. > Right! I'd much rather hear songs about species of trees waging war against each other... > > > > > I imagine the jigglings of breasts and such do put a damper on certain bands' > > appeal to female fans. IMO, it _is_ poor taste, but if I actually make it > > out to see a concert, I'm not going to let a few bouncing breasts spoil it > > for me. Like Pam wrote recently, I've mostly had male friends all my > > life--there are some things you just learn to ignore or take in stride. The > > only thing I regret is that you almost never get to turn the tables on 'em! > Oh! I thought you were talking about the guys' jiggling breasts. Have to re-think that one... > Let the games begin (again)! theo From ShariHill at AOL.COM Mon Mar 24 13:11:27 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:11:27 -0500 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/97 7:57:57 AM, Jon wrote: >My wife runs a Magic : The Gathering (Fantasy Card Game) club at our >local pub. There are 30 members, all male and her. There's no reason >women shouldn't join or come along, but they just don't. Including all >her friends, who love the *idea*, come once and really enjoy it. But >they don't come back, for some reason. Ya, I get the funny looks, etc. when I go gaming at our local RPG spot in town. There are only two of us "wimmin" regulars there, but it's gotten easier since I started gaming with the group her husband runs. We still get profuse apologies whenever one of the guys starts swearing or plays some music they think we'll find offensive . . . most of the time, the repeated apologies irk me more than the "incident," though. BTW, I used to kick my boyfriend's ass in Magic and Jyhad! ;-) S. From ShariHill at AOL.COM Mon Mar 24 13:11:46 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:11:46 -0500 Subject: HW / Sex & Dancing Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/97 10:11:11 PM, you wrote: >> Uh-oh, you may have opened up a can o' worms there! I knew of a fellow >> that sold all of his Kit Watkins CD's (keyboardist, has played with >> Camel & Happy The Man) when he found out that Kit is gay. Not that >> anyones' sexuality bothers me... > > But if anyone _is_ bothered and looking to sell their Hawkwind >collection ...... ;) ;) ;) Tsk, tsk, Carl! Newbies first! :-) Shari From ChStier at AOL.COM Mon Mar 24 13:18:44 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:18:44 -0500 Subject: OFF:Comets, Eclipses and B-Days Message-ID: Well, as most of you already knew, the heavens put on quite a show for us Californians yesterday. A great eclipse, nearby was Mars and over the shoulder was the comet. Very nice. Almost made my turning 30 yesterday easier! Chris From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 13:18:43 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:18:43 GMT Subject: HW Female Trouble In-Reply-To: Dane Carlson's message of Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: Dane Carlson writes: > Well I wish I knew Kris Tait was a woman, I was always under the > impression that the tall, pale, albino known to all as Elric, who > appeared in the stage show of the CotBS tour, was Kris Tait. Hope > I didn't piss her off to much, with my implied "he" remark > I made concerning "his" book, Do Not Panic. Her reply to me had no > smilies:( > Time wil tell I suppose. Sorry. Really I thought... > Watch More Videos..... 8-) Elric was ....err um - I forget now. Max something I think. Kris Tait is the lady who comes on as fire eater and performer on many shows. She features in some of the videos and she was on stage during the Love In Space tour. She's been a close friend of Brock's since the very early days and from what I remember from some comment I read she was someone who started to perform with Hawkwind simply by volunteering herself as part of the act - with Brock's approval. However she's new to email and computer scene and may not know about smiley's yet. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 14:25:46 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Grumpy Old Git) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:25:46 +0000 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > Grumpy Old Git writes > >Call me a sad foolish completist of almost unrelated HW items if you > >must, but I bought Salt Tank's album yesterday, because they give special > >thanks to dave brock and doug + eve smith. > > > But it's a really good album anyway, so it doesn't count! More > tellingly, did you spring the three and a half quid for "Live and Rare"? > *grin* But of course, any HW CD for only 3.50 must be bought, and this has the bonus of 2 new photos, and a bit of talking on DitJ, which I don't think I have heard before. What a complete bargain. Mw From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Mar 24 15:01:23 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:01:23 -0600 Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs In-Reply-To: <9702218589.AA858981015@hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, cjohnson wrote: > * Pressurehed - 'Explaining the Unexplained' (77min) > IMHO This is the best Pressurehed yet. I think so too. Actually, I think EtU is about par with Sudden Vertigo (barely better), but both of them are excellent. Phrankly I think they're as good as some of the best Hawkwind ever was. > * Far Flung - 'The Raven Ate the Moon' > I think that this was originally supposed to be called 'Landing on > Cydonia' (also the name of a tune from the first album '25,000 Feet > Per Second'). I haven't picked this up yet because I haven't found > anyone carrying it yet. A glowing review was published in a local > Florida music magazine, so keep your eyes open. Once again, this > will be on Flipside Records (out of San Fran?). I think I'm going to try and order this one. Hmmm... www.cdconnection.com lists "25000 ft/sec" and "Landing on Cydonia", for $11.44 and $11.40 respectively. CDNow has the same thing, only "Landing" is listed as unavailable: "New release (date not available)". There is a webpage, however. http://www.westworld.com/~gnudarve/farflung/ Here's a clip, with info about the new album. (All typos their fault) ---------- Included portion ---------- The Raven That Ate The Moon Full length CD with data Flipside Records [FLIPnn] Our latest release has just been hatched out. Was mostly cooked up right in the studio with little or no preparation, we went in and just rolled tape - about 40 minutes worth. The result has surpased our wildest dreams. Chief Engineer Grimley has again taken the space proned gentleman of Farflung and converted the inter-chakra mystomindoinsanities into finely honed streaming content. Will incorporate a unique third eye sono- hallucinal entrance method. This is a core [space rock] technology that was very popular during the early sixties and again in the late seventies and was used at many group music festivals and acid tests/tastes. Included will be a 3D rendering software that will allow the recipiant a hi- fidelity omni-sensory experience and controlled psycho-activation situation without the use of drugs, or if you (p)refer, with drugs... As always Farflung is commited to providing you, the listener, with only the very best and latest in [mind alteration]/perception styling/maintenance products / services. Please ask your local record dealer to pre-order a few copies of "The Raven That Ate The Moon" now, that means immediately. Out soon on FLIPSIDE! Sound clip! Here's a whiff of what you will encounter on "The Raven That Ate The Moon" [Raven Pt. 2 3.8MB WAV] ---------- End included portion ---------- Damon From Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Mar 24 14:27:43 1997 From: Star_Rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Star Rats) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:27:43 -0600 Subject: HW Female Trouble In-Reply-To: <9703241818.aa04189@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >Elric was ....err um - I forget now. Max something I think. Kris >Tait is the lady who comes on as fire eater and performer on many shows. >She features in some of the videos and she was on stage during the >Love In Space tour. She's been a close friend of Brock's since the >very early days and from what I remember from some comment I read she >was someone who started to perform with Hawkwind simply by >volunteering herself as part of the act - with Brock's approval. Elric was played by Tony Carrera during that tour (who also appeared as dancer on the Space Ritual) and on subsequent occasions with Hawkwind. Kris actually played Zarozina alongside Elric and started dancing with HW on the Choose Your Masques tour in 1982. Star Rats From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 24 15:08:56 1997 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (Robert W. Prince) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:08:56 -0500 Subject: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: Man Theo, I almost never post, but when you smack Rush you are definitely going down the wrong road. I am a musician and I take my music very seriously. I must say that in the 19 years that I've been listening, Alex Geddy and Neil have done more to shape my world than any band. Without a doubt some Rush is better than others, and Geddy's voice is definitely an acquired taste and not for everyone, but the material (16 studio albums) and musicianship are, as a whole, so far and away above most EVERYTHING out there, to hear negativity about them just sends me over the edge. Sure I need Tyranny and Mutation, Spectres, Agents of Fortune, and Secret Treaties nearby at all times, but no less do I need Hemispheres, 2112, Caress of Steel and Signals. Very few in rock and roll have ever played the bass like Geddy or drums like Neil. I didn't think I would ever have to respond to a post by stating such obvious information in this forum. If you don't care for Geddy's voice or Neil's lyrics in the Trees, at worst you should comment that the music is abso-freakin-lutely amazing, but not quite your cup of tea. Robert Prince From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Mar 24 15:22:29 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:22:29 -0700 Subject: WAY OFF Time machine audio Message-ID: I saw a notice about a new series of audio books. this one featured Patrick Stewart and John Delancie in a more radio drama like presentation of HG Wells The Time Machine. Sounded pretty cool to me. DAne ObCD: Lonesome Crow-Scorpions From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Mar 24 17:48:56 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:48:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: CD prices In-Reply-To: <33300893.578E@pi.net> Message-ID: In <33300893.578E at pi.net>, on 03/19/97 at 07:38 AM, Jerry said: >> > > --On tis 18 mar 1997 11.02 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: >> > > > No, seriously--CDs _are_ bizarrely inflated in price, especially >> > > >outside the US (there too, but not as bad). Or it wouldn't be possible >> > > >to mail-order CDs from the US to UK for less than it costs in a UK shop! >> > > >(Which it not infrequently is ....) >I think Holland is among the top five as well. Regular CDs (no import) >are 43 guilders, which is about US$ 23. Not sure how good my memory is, but I'm pretty sure I was paying over $20 for imports in the 70's (Kraftwerk, Gong, etc.). I spent between $200-$400 everytime I went shopping (for 10-20) albums. It was a pretty cool head shop in the D.C. area. They had a huge import section of independent, alternative (70's not todays'), electronic...... There was always incense burning, black lights, and albums playing. I was like a kid in a candy store :) Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 24 19:50:27 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:50:27 GMT Subject: HW / Sex & Dancing Message-ID: >>> Uh-oh, you may have opened up a can o' worms there! I knew of a fellow >>> that sold all of his Kit Watkins CD's (keyboardist, has played with >>> Camel & Happy The Man) when he found out that Kit is gay. Not that >>> anyones' sexuality bothers me... > > > > But if anyone _is_ bothered and looking to sell their Hawkwind > > collection ...... ;) ;) ;) > > Tsk, tsk, Carl! Newbies first! :-) Well it shouldn't be a problem really ... if I haven't already got it then it's probably out of my price range anyway :) I think Brock owes his last five years of beans on toast to me ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 25 00:03:50 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:03:50 -0800 Subject: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: >Man Theo, > I almost never post, but when you smack Rush you are definitely going >down the wrong road. I am a musician and I take my music very seriously. I >must say that in the 19 years that I've been listening, Alex Geddy and Neil >have done more to shape my world than any band. Without a doubt some Rush is >better than others, and Geddy's voice is definitely an acquired taste and not >for everyone, but the material (16 studio albums) and musicianship are, as a >whole, so far and away above most EVERYTHING out there, to hear negativity >about them just sends me over the edge. Sure I need Tyranny and Mutation, >Spectres, Agents of Fortune, and Secret Treaties nearby at all times, but no >less do I need Hemispheres, 2112, Caress of Steel and Signals. Very few in >rock and roll have ever played the bass like Geddy or drums like Neil. I >didn't think I would ever have to respond to a post by stating such obvious >information in this forum. If you don't care for Geddy's voice or Neil's >lyrics in the Trees, at worst you should comment that the music is >abso-freakin-lutely amazing, but not quite your cup of tea. > >Robert Prince Agreed! I can't imagine anybody who cannot look past the voice (which you can grow to appreciate) and see the musicianship and the integrity that these three have brought. My very first rock'n'roll album ever was Archives (a three volume of the first 3 releases: Rush, Fly by Night, and Caress of Steel) and I hated it. But it was all I had to listen to, and the music was incredible. My very next rock album was Moving Pictures, when it was brand new. (So I am just a young'un!) Within a period of two years my favorite band was Motorhead, and then I discovered Hawkwind. But I still have always appreciated Rush. And I have always been on the lookout for any new band that can give me the honesty and the dedication to what they are doing. I have listened to many varied types of music, from Uriah Heep to Paradise Lost, from Humble Pie to Cannibal Corpse, and from Deep Purple to King's X, and I still have not found such a true, honest approach to hard rock (though the "hard" rock aspect of Rush has mellowed a lot). Hawkwind and Motorhead still rule supreme for me, but Rush was my initiation to rock'n'roll, and they maintain a credibility that few bands can match after so many years. Bryan Young ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 25 00:12:13 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:12:13 -0800 Subject: HW: Calvert Roberts (Brian Aldiss) Message-ID: I saw a post that mentioned HG Wells a bit back, so I thought I'd ask anybody if they had ever noticed this: Brian W. Aldiss did a re-working/sequel? to the Wells novel _Island of Dr. Moreau_, but his version (1981, Pocket Timescape) is entitled _An Island Called Moreau_ and is not all that bad, I suppose. Anyways, the protagonist who finds himself on the island is named Calvert Roberts, and Mr. Roberts discovers the dark mysteries of the island and eventually tries to escape. Is this name a coincidence, or do we have a Mr. Aldiss among us as a fan? ObCD: FM/Black Noise (a 1977 Canadian Broadcasting Corp. release) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Mar 25 00:22:54 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:22:54 -0500 Subject: HW: US tour Message-ID: I was at a spacerock show this past Sat. done up by a band called Quarkspace, from Columbus, Ohio. I saw Jim Laskey(?) there, and asked 'about the upcoming HW tour. From what I understand he is involved with putting it all together. Anyway, he said he is almost certain that it is now going to be pushed backed another month or two till about August. I can't verify the authenticity of this. Has anyone else heard anything definitive on the US tour? Duane From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 25 02:24:17 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:24:17 GMT Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs Message-ID: On m?n 24 mar 1997 14.01 QUEST wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, cjohnson wrote: > > * Pressurehed - 'Explaining the Unexplained' (77min) > > IMHO This is the best Pressurehed yet. > > I think so too. Actually, I think EtU is about par with Sudden Vertigo > (barely better), but both of them are excellent. Phrankly I think > they're as good as some of the best Hawkwind ever was. How is the sound on the album? I've generally disliked the guitar and bass sounds in Pressurehed, despite giving them good marks for other things .. and that can really kill an album for me. A bit too flat and buzzy. I was grieviously disappointed by the bass playing on their first tour with Nik, though it was noticeably better (IMO) on the second. Cheers, Carl From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 25 03:14:09 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:14:09 -0000 Subject: OFF: Kris Tait Message-ID: Haven't been able to pick up much mail recently. Do I take it from the following that Kris is subscribing to the list? Mike P. ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 24 March 1997 18:18 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW Female Trouble However she's new to email and computer scene and may not know about smiley's yet. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 25 04:34:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:34:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Douglas ITJ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Grumpy Old Git writes >But of course, any HW CD for only 3.50 must be bought, and this has the >bonus of 2 new photos, and a bit of talking on DitJ, which I don't think I >have heard before. What a complete bargain. > >Mw New bit of talking? Are you sure?! A friend is trading me L&R so I will be aquiring it, but UNDER DURESS ( and I have to keep the collection complete) So I'll get all the available versions of DitJ from "History of HW" "Best of..." HW Collection" etc. etc. together. I must have 8 or 9 copies of the track, I'll drink half a litre of vodka (to get me in the mood) then I'll play them all *twice* over, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours, that'll do the trick. Then I'll type up my field report and tell you all which is the definitive DitJ. DA DEE DA DEE, DUNT DUNT! (repeat to fade) -- Jon Browne From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Mar 25 05:38:30 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:38:30 +0100 Subject: HW: New line-up. Message-ID: Hi Mike >Speaking of which: did Jerey play with the band of the "Hawkdog" gig in >'88? Also does anyone know the two non-hawk songs on that gig? One was >called "Space Zone" (from chat by Brock during the gig) and the >following one was also played on the Agents of Chaos gigs. Were they >Tubilah Dog tracks? Here is the track listing: 14.11.88, BIRMINGHAM, KALEIDOSCOPE, 80/8 (agents of chaos) intro / right stuff / death trap / damnation alley / stand down / motorway city / living on a knife edge / lost chronicles / city of tiny lights / instrumental / psi power / shot down in the night / brainstorm Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 25 06:31:45 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:31:45 GMT Subject: HW: New line-up. In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:38:30 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > >Speaking of which: did Jerey play with the band of the "Hawkdog" gig in > >'88? Also does anyone know the two non-hawk songs on that gig? One was > >called "Space Zone" (from chat by Brock during the gig) and the > >following one was also played on the Agents of Chaos gigs. Were they > >Tubilah Dog tracks? > > Here is the track listing: > > 14.11.88, BIRMINGHAM, KALEIDOSCOPE, 80/8 (agents of chaos) > intro / right stuff / death trap / damnation alley / stand down / motorway > city / living on a knife edge / lost chronicles / city of tiny lights / > instrumental / psi power / shot down in the night / brainstorm I can't remember if the Hawkdog track is the same as "Stand Down" or if it was the instrumental. Does anyone knopw where "Space Zone" or "Stand Down" come from? FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Tue Mar 25 00:27:30 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:27:30 -0800 Subject: Repost: Furry Silver Boots Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > With my longtime experience of Hawkwind gigs (some of which I can even > remember) and considerable research in drinking establishments both > before and after the gigs, I can now offer the definitive version of > what the well dressed *real* Hawkwind fan is wearing this century: I'm having a serious illness for a couple of days now; I can't smell anything, I cannot taste the food I eat and I am tired after waking up. I have had a miserable couple of days and the end is not yet in sight. Your story was marvellous! Brought the smile back on my face. A big one! (Smile, not face.) Thanks, Jerry From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Mar 25 06:56:16 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:56:16 +0000 Subject: Repost: Furry Silver Boots In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:53:02 GMT." <9703241753.aa01719@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > > >You forgot to mention the well-thumbed copy of Lord of the Rings. > > With my longtime experience of Hawkwind gigs (some of which I can even > remember) and considerable research in drinking establishments both > before and after the gigs, I can now offer the definitive version of > what the well dressed *real* Hawkwind fan is wearing this century: <- description of felt-tipped pen scrawled white labcoats, patched denim, tour-tshirts and long lanky balding hairdos for the average fan deleted -> And people bemoan the lack of female interest ? I can't _imagine_ why ! 8-) cheers, Tim (clean cut & presentable of course) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 25 07:05:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:05:24 -0500 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > I agree. The HW dancers I've seen (on video, at least) don't seem to be > performing in any form of sexual titilation. If anyone want's to view > that sort of thing, maybe they should take a look at most of the top 40 > film clips. there are two types of women who dance for HW. one group the band brings, who are actual dancers. and the others are volunteers from opening acts or fans. the dancers on the 96 euro tour did not set out to tittilate, although with a mostly male audience who've mostly had a few beers, it happened anyway. (my wife and i talked to them afterwards, and they do NOT enjoy the catcalls.) in 95 at atlanta masquerade, a girlfriend of one member from the opener volunteered to dance. dave said yes, because the stage was large, and some front-stage movement would only add to it. everyone, including the band, was surprised when she got nekkid. > I read recently on this list that he was apparantly involved in some way > with the gay movement. Couldn't he not be involved, and have a > girlfriend as well? Also, does he mean girlfriend in the way we think?? > Of course, since the band has had more members than 2 soccer teams put > together, then there is always the possibility of at least one gay > member. i don't think you have to be a homosexual to believe they have rights... > On the subject of female members, Don't forget Kris Tait, who I would > regard as a silent member, in much the same way as Stacia was. i think kris's fire act is a definite plus to the bands stage act. she also does a lot of the choreography for the other members as well as dancers. and don't ever slander her, (not that anyone has), because i believe she is a driving force behind HW's continued touring. anyone who has seen the shows only in the US have not seen the whole experience. kris plays a big role in the difference. =) rj (ron and karyn) > William From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 25 07:10:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:10:17 -0500 Subject: HW: US tour Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > I was at a spacerock show this past Sat. done up by a band called > Quarkspace, from Columbus, Ohio. I saw Jim Laskey(?) there, and asked > 'about the upcoming HW tour. From what I understand he is involved with > putting it all together. Anyway, he said he is almost certain that > it is now going to be pushed backed another month or two till about August. > I can't verify the authenticity of this. Has anyone else heard anything > definitive on the US tour? > > Duane its lasko, and since doug smith told me to get my info from him, i guess he must be right. rj From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 25 07:34:10 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:34:10 -0800 Subject: OFF: Roky/Elevators Message-ID: >>>various artists: _Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye_ I have this as well - I love it, and I think I bought it in Belgium as a normal priced release. I'm pretty sure it had a UK release because I knew about it from a review/article in a UK music mag (Vox?). There must be somebody who stocks it here, surely? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 25 09:03:59 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:03:59 -0600 Subject: Off: Savatge Streets/Jeff Beck Message-ID: > >Chariot>"Streets is great; a little weak in spots but all around pretty cool. >What about THE CONCEPT album, Jesus Christ Superstar? > The most BOC-like I ever heard." > >Hmmm, I've heard them preform one song off Streets (Jesus Saves?), during a >concert in Japan. Sounded great to me. How does it compare to Dead Winter >Dead? Does Zak sing on this one, what about Oliva on guitar? I love Edge of >Thorns and Handful of Rain and am pretty curious about Streets. Most >Savatage fans I know hate it. Zak would be pretty good on vox for BOC, >should Eric decide to hang it up. > > >lil ab >My number is NM 156 > >OBCD - Velvet Hammer Live - these ladies can really play. > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 24 20:37:23 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:37:23 +0800 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: On the subject of the chap who was getting rid of certain albums because someone in the band was gay, he probably wouldn't have much left in his collection. William From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Mar 25 11:04:16 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:04:16 +0100 Subject: HW: PXR5 and Hawklords CD Message-ID: Hello A friend is looking for the following CD's (used or new): - PXR5 - Hawklords If someone can help him please drop him a line to the following e-mail-address: ilja.kassimi at mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de Thanks Bernhard From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Mar 25 11:45:38 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:45:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On m?n 24 mar 1997 14.01 QUEST wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, cjohnson wrote: > > > * Pressurehed - 'Explaining the Unexplained' (77min) > > > IMHO This is the best Pressurehed yet. > > > > I think so too. Actually, I think EtU is about par with Sudden Vertigo > > (barely better), but both of them are excellent. Phrankly I think > > they're as good as some of the best Hawkwind ever was. > > How is the sound on the album? I've generally disliked the guitar and > bass sounds in Pressurehed, despite giving them good marks for other things > .. and that can really kill an album for me. A bit too flat and buzzy. I > was grieviously disappointed by the bass playing on their first tour with > Nik, though it was noticeably better (IMO) on the second. The sound on "Explaining" is much clearer, I think. I remember on "Vertigo", when Tommy would distort his vocals and mix them waaay down so that I could barely tell there was "singing" going on. "What's that annoying buzzing in the music? Oh, wait - that's the lyrics." As far as the guitar and bass, none of the members is Jimi Hendrix of course, but I'm impressed anyway. There's less emphasis than before on the guitar and bass in favor of the sequencers and drum (machine). Don't worry, though. It's nothing like "Business of the Future". :-) Damon From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Mar 25 11:57:42 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:57:42 EST Subject: OFF: reviews of some new CDs Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:29:03 GMT M Holmes writes: >cjohnson writes: > >> * Far Flung - 'The Raven Ate the Moon' >> I think that this was originally supposed to be called 'Landing on >> Cydonia' (also the name of a tune from the first album '25,000 Feet >> Per Second'). I haven't picked this up yet because I haven't found >> anyone carrying it yet. A glowing review was published in a local >> Florida music magazine, so keep your eyes open. Once again, this >> will be on Flipside Records (out of San Fran?). > >If anyone has any Far Flung on tape I'd be into a trade. I've >considered >buying their CD's but I'd like a sample first. > >FoFP > I have _25000 Feet_, which I can tape for you if you want. I'd definately recommend it. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Mar 25 13:04:13 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:04:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: obCD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > 2) I know what it signifies, but what is the literal word-for-word > >phrasing associated with "ObCD"? > > Ob-ligatory. You *gotta* hear this! I never took it to be as strong as that (at least as it was originally introduced to BOC-L; maybe it has mutated over the years). I always understood it to mean "this is what I'm listening to now/lately"; naturally, obCD usually carried somewhat of a gentle, implied recommendation, but not normally so strident as "you *gotta* hear this!" The thing that's always puzzled me is what Pops Shipley's "objCD" signifies. Does it mean "objectionable CD?" If so, why does he continually torture himself with such objectionable music? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 25 12:45:58 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:45:58 +0000 Subject: Repost: Furry Silver Boots In-Reply-To: <33376242.266@pi.net> Message-ID: In message <33376242.266 at pi.net>, Jerry writes >M Holmes wrote: > >> With my longtime experience of Hawkwind gigs (some of which I can even >> remember) and considerable research in drinking establishments both >> before and after the gigs, I can now offer the definitive version of >> what the well dressed *real* Hawkwind fan is wearing this century: > >I'm having a serious illness for a couple of days now; I can't smell anything, I >cannot >taste the food I eat and I am tired after waking up. I have had a miserable >couple of >days and the end is not yet in sight. > >Your story was marvellous! Brought the smile back on my face. A big one! (Smile, >not >face.) > >Thanks, >Jerry I actually did get a big face out of it, but thanks anyway, Mike. -- Jon Browne From stayer at PI.NET Tue Mar 25 19:45:03 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:45:03 -0800 Subject: OFF: Savatge Message-ID: > >Chariot>"Streets is great; a little weak in spots but all around pretty cool. > >What about THE CONCEPT album, Jesus Christ Superstar? > >The most BOC-like I ever heard." BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > >Hmmm, I've heard them preform one song off Streets (Jesus Saves?), during a > >concert in Japan. Sounded great to me. How does it compare to Dead Winter > >Dead? Does Zak sing on this one, what about Oliva on guitar? I love Edge of > >Thorns and Handful of Rain and am pretty curious about Streets. Most > >Savatage fans I know hate it. Zak would be pretty good on vox for BOC, > >should Eric decide to hang it up. Jesus Saves is in the same symphonic metal tradition as the rest of the albums Streets and Gutter Ballet (especially the song Gutter Ballet). Dead Winter Dead is heavier but has some songs on the symphonic side. Overall, you might like DWD better than Streets. Oliva on guitar? Criss Oliva is dead, you didn't know? Jon is doing the keyboards. The gig I attended, he sung Gutter Ballet (fortunately!). "Most Savafans" - which albums do they prefer? Maybe it's too symphonic for them? Jerry _____________________________ "had I not loved so very much I would not hurt so much" - Elisabeth Kuebler - Ross From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Mar 25 13:24:14 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:24:14 +0100 Subject: Repost: Furry Silver Boots Message-ID: [furry silver boots snipped...] >...The others are in the pub organising tape swaps. Look for the >blond Scot and buy him more beer. > >Next week: Hawkwind mispressings. Know your stuff. isn't it next week yet, uncle Mike? >FoFP \\joe From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 25 12:31:06 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:31:06 EDT Subject: OFF: obCD Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > > The thing that's always puzzled me is what Pops Shipley's "objCD" > signifies. Does it mean "objectionable CD?" If so, why does he > continually torture himself with such objectionable music? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > On-line b*** job wanted? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Mar 25 14:27:44 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:27:44 -0500 Subject: ob-J-CD!! Message-ID: Paul sez... The thing that's always puzzled me is what Pops Shipley's "objCD" signifies. Does it mean "objectionable CD?" If so, why does he continually torture himself with such objectionable music? ;-) "Objective"? "Object in my CD Player?" Beats the living daylights outta me as to what it means! I think I saw someone else use it (it was probably a typo!) and I just took it to be the accepted form. Sometime I can be _such_ a putz!!! Definitely not "Objectionable", I don't let those disks near my player ("No, honey, I'm not referring to your Michael Jackson or MC Hammer CD's, honest! OWWWW!!") obCassette Deck (see, I can learn and change and adapt!) : HW / Xenon Codex (did anyone ever think that the line about "I always listen to my inner voice" in _Neon_Skyline_ really said something about "Miami Vice"? Y'know, "my inner voice" "Miami Vice", OK, maybe it is just me....) :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 25 15:50:19 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:50:19 -0500 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > On the subject of the chap who was getting rid of certain albums because > someone in the band was gay, he probably wouldn't have much left in his > collection. > > William i agree. if he dropped every band who ever had a member who at least experimented, all that would be left is MAYBE the muppets album. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 25 15:55:54 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:55:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: obCD Message-ID: someone (JILL?) once posted on here that OB> came from usenet originally, and generally was used for obligatory content when posting off topic... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Mar 25 15:58:37 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:58:37 -0500 Subject: ob-J-CD!! Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > obCassette Deck (see, I can learn and change and adapt!) : HW / Xenon Codex (did anyone > ever think that the line about "I always listen to my inner voice" in _Neon_Skyline_ really said > something about "Miami Vice"? Y'know, "my inner voice" "Miami Vice", OK, maybe it is just > me....) :-) nope. i KNEW it didn't say that, but damned if it didn't sound like it... rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Mar 25 16:12:50 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:12:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: obCD In-Reply-To: <33383BDA.41FE@starlinx.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > someone (JILL?) once posted on here that OB> came from usenet > originally, and generally was used for obligatory content when posting > off topic... "ob.." is indeed from UseNet. obCD [obLP, obTape, ...] here on BOC-L was introduced quite some time ago by Steve Swann, as adapted from a grunge list he was subscribed to at the time. (So yes, once again, it's all Steve Swann's fault!:) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Masters of Reality, _Masters of Reality_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ShariHill at AOL.COM Tue Mar 25 16:25:20 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:25:20 -0500 Subject: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: >> > I guess I'm not surprised female input on these bands is minimal--like I told >> > Daniel, I've been a big Rush fan for about 10 years, now, and I have yet to >> > meet a female who will admit to liking them. >> >Guess Gloria Steinem IS right. Women are smarter than men! > Well, tell the whole damn world, why don't'cha! Geez, no one can keep a secret anymore! >> I do honestly know some >> > shallow-minded bimbos who won't listen to Rush because "they're old and >> > ugly." That just burns me up! It's probably better for all concerned if > >They aren't shallow or bimbos--just have good taste...But that >doesn't mean Rush aren't ugly. I don't think age is a factor, just >that when they hear Geddy's voice, a completely understandable terror >grips them. I'm all man, and Geddy scares the shit out of me... Oooh, I beg to differ. The shallow-minded bimbos are just that--and I'm just talking specifically about people I know, here--but this judgement is not made based solely on their aversion to Rush because Geddy & Neil don't fit in with their posters of Motley Crue and Bon Jovi. And about that "completely understandable terror" that overcomes them . . . I recall a similar look passing over the faces of many guys I know--sometimes accompanied by a quick crossing of the legs--when they first heard Geddy's falsetto on the earlier recordings . . . >> > they stick to their Bon Jovi, though. I suppose the lack of gooey love songs >> > and the inclusion of actual imagination would shatter their fagile psyches. >> >Right! I'd much rather hear songs about species of trees waging war >against each other... Methinks those in charge of the hatchets, axes, and saws missed one, here. ;-) >> > I imagine the jigglings of breasts and such do put a damper on certain bands' >> > appeal to female fans. IMO, it _is_ poor taste, but if I actually make it >> > out to see a concert, I'm not going to let a few bouncing breasts spoil it >> > for me. Like Pam wrote recently, I've mostly had male friends all my >> > life--there are some things you just learn to ignore or take in stride. The >> > only thing I regret is that you almost never get to turn the tables on 'em! >Oh! I thought you were talking about the guys' jiggling breasts. >Have to re-think that one... Don't think too hard. It'll come to you eventually. Maybe. Then again . . . ;-) -Shari [Who skipped the requisite femi-Nazi class at school: "Gloria who?"] From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Mar 25 18:09:01 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:09:01 UT Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London Message-ID: Just noticed that Howe Gelb and his gang are at the Borderline, London, next Tuesday (1st). Anyone interested? Plus, Uriah Heep (!) are at the LA2, London Wed 23rd April. (I think I'll give that one a miss, meself...) And, oh yeah, some guys called Motorhead at the Brixton Academy on Oct 25. Did you notice that Kraftwerk are headlining the Tribal Gathering???? Boggle boggle! And almost obHW, Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (but it's the other one, right?) at Blackheath, May 23. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Mar 25 20:11:59 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:11:59 -0600 Subject: HW: US tour Message-ID: >> >> I was at a spacerock show this past Sat. done up by a band called >> Quarkspace, from Columbus, Ohio. I saw Jim Laskey(?) there, and asked >> 'about the upcoming HW tour. From what I understand he is involved with >> putting it all together. Anyway, he said he is almost certain that >> it is now going to be pushed backed another month or two till about August. >> I can't verify the authenticity of this. Has anyone else heard anything >> definitive on the US tour? >> >> Duane > >its lasko, and since doug smith told me to get my info from him, i guess he must be right. Indeed. They're looking at mid-late summer. _And_ an outdoor venue, festival style. Remember, tho, this is all in the zygote stage at best. Other hints forthcoming... :) Wylie From blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 25 20:41:40 1997 From: blyoung at HOTMAIL.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:41:40 -0800 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:50:19 -0500 >From: Ron Jennings >Subject: Re: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >William Duffy wrote: >> >> On the subject of the chap who was getting rid of certain albums because >> someone in the band was gay, he probably wouldn't have much left in his >> collection. >> >> William > Ron Jennings replies: > > i agree. if he dropped every band who ever had a member who at least experimented, all that >would be left is MAYBE the muppets album. >rj Don't tell me that Father Abraham from the Smurfs album is up on charges now! Bryan Young ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young or School's email: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Mar 25 22:32:43 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:32:43 -0500 Subject: IRC Chat!!! Message-ID: Hi, folks: Last week I let you all know about Al Bouchard and The Brain Surgeons in The Artist Shop . At that time I sort of hinted at some other news I would have for you in the near future. Well, it seems the future's here already. This news will be especially sweet to those of you not on AOL who have been envious of the AOL chats with the B?C boys. The Artist Shop started it's own tradition of IRC chats a few months ago. New on our chat calendar is Buck Dharma! This chat will be Wednesday, April 2 at 9pm EST. You'll find full details at The Artist Shop's IRC page including links to IRC software to download if you need it. Again, this is not an AOL chat, it's an IRC Chat accessible to everyone not on AOL! As many of you know, Buck is promoting a special charity performance coming up in Duluth, Georgia on April 11 (with a possible second show on April 12) at the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center. The proceeds for this concert go to a special fund to pay for medical expenses of Ricky Browning, age 10 and a big B?C and Godzilla fan, who is undergoing treatment for a brain tumor. The venue is a state-of-the-art music hall seating 700. There will also be a special fund raising dinner on April 10, location to be announced. Ticket information is available through TicketMaster. You can check their website or contact the one nearest you. If you have any questions regarding this benefit or would just like to make a contribution to the fund, contact Chuck at agentof at aol.com. And just for those of you who are big fans of such chats, The Artist Shop is hosting an IRC Chat Wednesday night (3/26) with experimental guitarist, David Torn. Full details at The Artist Shop's IRC page. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Mar 27 01:26:22 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:26:22 -0700 Subject: BOC: You'll all be jealous Message-ID: I was out picking up the new Queensryche and Glenn Tipton and picked up the reissued Club Ninja while I was at it. Can't you feel my love? Brad Dahl Step into my world of toxic slendor http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html PS: the Glenn Tipton CD is very SCARY! From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Mar 26 02:30:36 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:30:36 +1000 Subject: OFF: obCD Message-ID: At 03:55 PM 25/03/97 -0500, you wrote: >someone (JILL?) once posted on here that OB> came from usenet >originally, and generally was used for obligatory content when posting >off topic... >rj I think that was me. I remember browsing through an Internet dictionary and noticing that there was an entry for Ob which said what you just said, or in other words, the opposite meaning to the way boc-l uses Ob. Pete. ObCD: Day After Day - Badfinger (live) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 26 04:49:19 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:49:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London Message-ID: >From: Andrew Gilham >Just noticed that Howe Gelb and his gang are at the Borderline, >London, next Tuesday (1st). Anyone interested? > Could be, and I have a friend who'd be very interested, more details please - I have to work out whether I can get there (and more important get back afterwards). > >Plus, Uriah Heep (!) are at the LA2, London Wed 23rd April. (I think >I'll give that one a miss, meself...) > Ik ook, as we used to say in Belgium ;-{)> > >And, oh yeah, some guys called Motorhead at the Brixton Academy on >Oct 25. > Definitely interested!!! > >Did you notice that Kraftwerk are headlining the Tribal Gathering???? >Boggle >boggle! > Sadly, I don't think thI'll be able to make this one, but check out the current issue of Mojo - Can, Amon Duul, Kraftwerk..... > >And almost obHW, Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (but it's the >other one, right?) at Blackheath, May 23. > I'll be trying to get to this one as well - I've seen DT before, and got a couple of his albums - brilliant stuff. Never seen RT though ;( Thanks for the news, ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 26 05:16:57 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:16:57 GMT Subject: OFF: obCD In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > > > someone (JILL?) once posted on here that OB> came from usenet > > originally, and generally was used for obligatory content when posting > > off topic... > > "ob.." is indeed from UseNet. obCD [obLP, obTape, ...] here on BOC-L was > introduced quite some time ago by Steve Swann, as adapted from a grunge > list he was subscribed to at the time. > > (So yes, once again, it's all Steve Swann's fault!:) Damn - I was waiting for that moment and Paul got there first *-)) obhistory> It was Steve's idea to try and prevent endless messages on off-subject topics such as the Beatles or Michael Jackson (not that I woud *ever* post on such trivial subjects....) when things were quiet on the Hawkwind/BOC discussion front by asking folk to stick an ObCD line at the end of their post if they really felt like recommending something off topic. Enya wasn't it for a while? jill obCD> Mahler Symphony No.1 (Titian) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 26 05:15:11 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:15:11 UT Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London Message-ID: >>Just noticed that Howe Gelb and his gang are at the Borderline, >>London, next Tuesday (1st). Anyone interested? >> >Could be, and I have a friend who'd be very interested, more details please - I >have to work out whether I can get there (and more important get back >afterwards). The Borderline is a tiny little club just off Charing Cross Road (Manette Street) - if you're coming from out of town, I'd definitely recommend getting tickets in advance (6 pounds, tel 0171 734 2095). Just had to look in Time Out again for the details, and I noticed another gig I'll steer well clear of, but might interest some of the prog-rock tendency: Camel at the Astoria, 13th April. Also (Tim'll like this) Cubanate supporting Sisters of Mercy at the Academy (9th-10th June) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 26 06:01:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:01:49 GMT Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London Message-ID: > >And, oh yeah, some guys called Motorhead at the Brixton Academy on > >Oct 25. > > > Definitely interested!!! Motorhead are slotted to play the Cambridge Corn Exchange as well, scene of beer cans past. I think I might also roadtrip over to see them in Nottingham as well. I'm also off to Nottingham on 4 April for Orange Goblin, Electric Wizard, and Blood Divine. > >And almost obHW, Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (but it's the > >other one, right?) at Blackheath, May 23. > > > I'll be trying to get to this one as well - I've seen DT before, and got > a couple of his albums - brilliant stuff. Never seen RT though ;( Worth it. RT is a guitar god. I'm still considering whether I can afford to catch any of these shows. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 26 06:06:06 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:06:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:15:11 GMT." Message-ID: > >>Just noticed that Howe Gelb and his gang are at the Borderline, > >>London, next Tuesday (1st). Anyone interested? I would be, but I think I'll be down in Devon, drinking scrumpy. :-) > Also (Tim'll like this) Cubanate supporting Sisters of Mercy at the Academy > (9th-10th June) Not unless the fucking drummer does something useful on stage instead of prancing about like at the YG gig. Otherwise, definitely a gig to turn up late to! In fact, I think Cubanate onstage should be viewed only for comedic value :-) Tim "All women are evil. All men are morons." Rollins From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 26 13:57:59 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:57:59 -0800 Subject: IRC Chat!!! Message-ID: Gary Davis wrote: > New on our chat calendar is > Buck Dharma! This chat will be Wednesday, April 2 at 9pm EST. Hey, that's great! Er, 9pm EST means 3am CET... Sorry guys - work the next day. :-( Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 26 13:47:43 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:47:43 -0800 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: RJ wrote: > > i agree. if he dropped every band who ever had a member who at least > > experimented, all that would be left is MAYBE the muppets album. Bryan Young wrote: > Don't tell me that Father Abraham from the Smurfs album is up on > charges now! Huh? I thought that embarrassing secret was kept within Dutch borders... Did he make it internationally????? Jerry From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 26 06:44:59 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:44:59 UT Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London Message-ID: > Motorhead are slotted to play the Cambridge Corn Exchange as well, >scene of beer cans past. I think I might also roadtrip over to see them in >Nottingham as well. Actually, I can see myself having an unashamed nostalgia-fest by seeing both HW and MH on their autumn tours at the Corn Exchange. Get us a ticket when they go on sale, Carl! And you owe me some floor-space! :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Mar 26 07:05:29 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:05:29 +1100 Subject: OFF: Savatge In-Reply-To: <3338718F.5548@pi.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Jerry wrote: > gig I attended, he sung Gutter Ballet (fortunately!). > > "Most Savafans" - which albums do they prefer? Maybe it's too symphonic for them? Hall of the Mountain king - the best. Troy > > Jerry > _____________________________ > "had I not loved so very much > I would not hurt so much" > - Elisabeth Kuebler - Ross > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 26 07:23:26 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:23:26 UT Subject: OFF: Savatge Message-ID: I don't know what I was thinking of, but a few years ago I bought a copy of Savatage's _Edge of Thorns_. I think I must have been quite taken with them in a retro-kitsch kind of way, because I'd seen the video for the title track, and really thought it must be from about 1973 until I found out it was brand new. I don't think I played it much at the time - the title track was by far the best thing on it, and that got stale after about three goes. Anyway, because of this thread, I tried listening to it last night, and got about 30 seconds in before I began to gag on the sheer pomposity of it all. Come back _Club Ninja_, all is forgiven, I say. Do these guys really take themselves seriously? Or is it just a big joke? And does anyone want a copy of _Edge of Thorns_? :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 26 08:45:30 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:45:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Savatge Message-ID: Speakin' of Savatage - I haven't picked up any of their albums other than "Dead Winter Dead", but it is excellent. Read the liner notes and listen to the words: I was moved by the story (inspired by the conflict in the former Yugoslavian region - Bosnia, Serbia, et al), and it has some cool tunes too. ObBOC-Related-Tidbit: Dead Winter Dead has Al Pitrelli on guitar - I got to see BOC in St. Petersburg Florida in 1995, and Al joined the band on-stage for their final song, the cover tune "Slow Down" (it smoked!). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 26 08:50:03 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:50:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Savatge Message-ID: >> "Most Savafans" - which albums do they prefer? Maybe it's too symphonic for th em? Hall of the Mountain king - the best. I've heard that "Streets" is pretty popular also? John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 26 08:48:29 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:48:29 -0600 Subject: Savatage Message-ID: lil ab>How does it compare to Dead Winter Dead? Jerry>"Jesus Saves is in the same symphonic metal tradition as the rest of the albums Streets and Gutter Ballet (especially the song Gutter Ballet). Dead Winter Dead is heavier but has some songs on the symphonic side. Overall, you might like DWD better than Streets. Oliva on guitar? Criss Oliva is dead, you didn't know? Jon is doing the keyboards. The gig I attended, he sung Gutter Ballet (fortunately!)." Uh actually Jerry I do realize Cris died, some time betwen Edge of Thorns and Handful of Rain, which has a dedication to Cris. Wasn't Streets released prior to Thorns? I asked becuase I don't ahve a lot of history on the lineup prior to Thorns, except for Power of Night. I don't assume the lineup is or was the same for albums like Sirens, Fight for the Rock, Gutter Ballet, Hall of The Mountain King or Streets. Night sounds nothing like recent Sav at all except for Jon's Lemmy impersonation 8>). Was just curious since Streets was a theme/rock opera did it have the same symphonic styling of DWD. May give Streets a spin becuase I do like DWD. >"Most Savafans" - which albums do they prefer? Maybe it's too symphonic for them?" Well the couple I've traded notes with are big fans of Rain, Edge and DWD, most of the discussion centers on these and the TSO project Oliva and the band did for X-mas. We all seem to be into this bands most current work and none of us I dare say are infintely familiar with the early stuff. If Zak isn't the vocalist on Streets and Gutter Ballet, that might explain their dislike. Other than that I honestly couldn't say. If I may, are you familiar with any of those early works like FftR, HotMK, Sirens etc; are they more like Power Of Night? Thanks in advance L8er lil' ab *My number is NM 156* OBCD - Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fish "Time to leave the craft with all my strength I open up the hatch parts unknown between the twilight and danger zone Fear Not" From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Mar 26 08:03:24 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:03:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: Hello-- Rush-bashing strikes me as a pointless and puerile exercise, especially on BOC-L (which, I thought, focused on discussion of Hawkwind and BOC). The subject header strikes me as an ad hominem attack, which should not be tolerated at all here. This isn't Usenet. If you must bash, why don't you bash that has-been, dinosaur band known as Blue Oyster Cult? Better yet, why not say something interesting? Guido obCDplayer--White Rim of Heaven by Brian Gingrich -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Mar 26 09:38:24 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:38:24 -0700 Subject: OFF Cleopatra TDream CD Message-ID: Hey, Can anyone give me run down on that TD tribute CD? Is it good or sucky. I think this could go either way depending on interpretation. Real curious as I may just go buy the damn thing at lunch. dane ObCD: Raffi-Singable Songs for the Very Young From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 26 05:21:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:21:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Giant Sand and other gigs in London In-Reply-To: <199703260949.BAA01619@f14.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <199703260949.BAA01619 at f14.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >>Did you notice that Kraftwerk are headlining the Tribal Gathering???? >>Boggle >boggle! >> >Sadly, I don't think thI'll be able to make this one, but check out the current >issue of Mojo - Can, Amon Duul, Kraftwerk..... >> AND a 15-page Byrds feature. Even a spot on the Five Americans. I'm certain the editors of Mojo broke in my house and went through my record collection. It's either them or Ian Broudie looking for B-sides to cover. Regular readers of Mojo will be wondering where the comprehensive 30 page Hawkwind retro is.......I'm serious, it's letter writing time! -- Jon Browne ObByrds Track - "Wasn't Born to Follow" Is that psychedelic or what?! From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Mar 26 11:01:31 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:01:31 GMT Subject: Glastonbury Festival Message-ID: I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear at this years Glastonbury Festival. Cool or what?!! Keith From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 26 18:08:37 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:08:37 -0800 Subject: OFF: Savatge - Streets Message-ID: I wrote: > > "Most Savafans" - which albums do they prefer? Maybe it's too symphonic for them? Troy Harris wrote: > Hall of the Mountain king - the best. Listening to it now (the song, I don't know if there's an album with the same name) from the compilation 2CD 'From The Gutter To The Stage'. (Disc 2 is a bonus disc with four tracks.) The back cover states the line-up, and below that, "Jon Oliva (still the Mountain King)"... Alright, if you like this song, I recommend you listen to the albums Streets and Gutter Ballet! They could be a little bit too symphonic for you, but there's so many guitars to enjoy, like on Hall Of The Mountain King. Jerry From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 26 11:14:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:14:05 -0500 Subject: OFF Cleopatra TDream CD Message-ID: >ObCD: Raffi-Singable Songs for the Very Young LOL - this is one of my daughter's favorite albums (she's 2) Currently on my player: Veruca Salt - Eight Arms to Hold You From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 26 11:26:04 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:26:04 +0000 Subject: Glastonbury Festival In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:01:31 GMT." <9703261601.AA05187@eng.hud.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear at this years Glastonbury Festival. > > Cool or what?!! Errrr, I thought Sabbath had basically, like, taken a sabbatical :-) So who's in the band these days ? More to the point, is Neil Young or Kula Shaker confirmed. I got my ticket last week - who else here is going ? Tim From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 26 11:55:16 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:55:16 -0800 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: Jerry wrote: >Bryan Young wrote: >> Don't tell me that Father Abraham from the Smurfs album is up on >> charges now! > >Huh? I thought that embarrassing secret was kept within Dutch >borders... Did he make it internationally????? Depressingly, yes - I'm surprised that the Dutch government didn't lock him up as a national embarassment & throw away the key! OTOH, we've got the Sp*ce G*rls :( I'll go and wash my hands after typing that!!!! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Wed Mar 26 20:32:39 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:32:39 -0800 Subject: Savatage Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > Streets released prior to Thorns? >>From the liner notes of 'From The Gutter To The Stage, The Best Of Savatage 1981 - 1995'. 1979 - Jon and Chris Oliva form Avatar 1982 - first Avatar EP released 1983 - Avatar changed to Savatage; first full-length LP 'Sirens' released 1984 - 'Dungeons Are Calling' released 1985 - 'Power Of The Night' released 1986 - 'Fight For The Rock' released 1987 - 'Hall Of The Mountain King' recorded [and released I guess] 1989 - 'Gutter Ballet' released 1991 - 'Streets', a Rock Opera, released 1992 - Jon Oliva leaves to pursue solo projects but continues to write and play keys 1993 - Zak Stevens joins; 'Edge Of Thorns' released; Criss Oliva killed 1994 - Skolnick joins and plays guitar on 'Handful Of Rain' [is this an album?] 1995 - 'Dead Winter Dead' released So I guess Streets is the last album with Jon singing. > Well the couple I've traded notes with are big fans of Rain, Edge and > DWD, most of the discussion centers on these and the TSO project Oliva > and the band did for X-mas. We all seem to be into this bands most > current work and none of us I dare say are infintely familiar with the > early stuff. If Zak isn't the vocalist on Streets and Gutter Ballet, > that might explain their dislike. Other than that I honestly couldn't > say. If I may, are you familiar with any of those early works like > FftR, HotMK, Sirens etc; are they more like Power Of Night? Of course you may; no, I am not. Well, I heard them a couple of years ago and I didn't like them too much. I am mainly a progressive rock fan, with a heavy touch maybe. That's why I prefer Streets and Gutter Ballet. I like them better than DWD. Jerry From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Wed Mar 26 11:56:21 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:56:21 -0700 Subject: OFF Eloy-L Message-ID: Seems like a Eloy list these days. Anyone have the LP of Colours? there is zero info on the CD. Can anyone tell me the band or if is the same band as on Ocean or Planets. Also what is the Wild Geese sndtrk like? OnTheCD: Colours-Eloy (boy those lyrics on horizons sure seem familiar.) We now return you to BOC-L... From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 26 12:49:58 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:49:58 GMT Subject: Repost: Ledge of Darkness II Message-ID: THE NUMBER OF YOUR CAR'S FED INTO A BOX "Who else?" Harvey asked. Dave smiled. "We'll have to go to Glastonbury". "Can you bring your car?". "Tonight" he added, seriously. Harvey put together some gear and slid into the car. He plugged in the helmet and tuned in. "Dave's place" he said and the car began to move off. He gestured for an outside view. The city was relatively quiet with only a few coming out of the late bars. The days were numbered for late drinking too. The Suits had work in the mornings. Dave was waiting with a pack and his own helmet. Harvey parked on manual, dropped out, and opened the door. "Rough night." Dave said. "We'd better get moving". Harvey used the helmet to set up a route and dropped out again. Removing the helmet he looked at Dave. "Richard's there somewhere." Dave answered the unspoken question. "We'll just have to look for him." "Alan's with some friends. We'll catch up with him tomorrow." "What can we do though? Everything but hymns will be illegal by the end of the week." "Defying authority isn't exactly new for us. And it needs doing. It's our people that are under attack here and they need a symbol. We're it." "The authority in question here is the government, and it's backed up by a hell of a lot of technology. They'll be watching us." "Technology. Yeah. We just might have a few surprises in store for 'em. Wait'll we see Alan tomorrow." Approaching the Glastonbury site, the car alerted them to the roadblock. It was the Police of course. They were asked to leave the car open and were directed over to a hut. The cop got into the car and started a cursory search. It was just beginning to get light. The clerk looked bored and tired. A screen in the background displayed an interview with some pol. A few questions about what they wanted at the site. Some forms to fill in and a quick ID check. Society had to know who went to the site and put a question mark against them. Still, they had to admit, it was unerringly polite and tedious. And at least they could confirm that Richard was in there. As the election slogan had it: Government that was kinder, gentler, and *firm* They got back into the car and Harvey took it on manual. He hated to see the walls and barbed wire. Fourteen miles of it, and this was the only entrance. It used to be the site of a music festival. Back then there had been quite a few of them, with the Travellers moving between them all summer. The pols solution hadn't surprised anyone: pick one site and move the Travellers in there where they could keep an eye on them. Travellers, with nowhere to go. Still, they'd arrived. They could smell the woodsmoke and even hear music. It was still a foreign country in here. They stopped the car and got out. Someone nearby had to be making some tea. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Mar 26 13:05:35 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:05:35 UT Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: >OTOH, we've got the Sp*ce G*rls :( > >I'll go and wash my hands after typing that!!!! > >ChrisW Have you got a problem with the Girls or what? I think they're great! - Andy ObFaveSpice: Sporty Spice Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Mar 26 13:40:30 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:40:30 EST Subject: OFF: Eloy-L In-Reply-To: ; from "Dane Carlson" at Mar 26, 97 9:56 am Message-ID: >Seems like a Eloy list these days. Anyone have the LP of Colours? there is zero info on the CD. Can anyone tell me the band or if is the same band as on Ocean or Planets. According to the unofficial (but most complete) Eloy web page (http://www.mcs.net/~mikebo/eloy.html), the line-up on _Ocean_ (1977), _Live_ (1978), and _Silent Cries & Mighty Echoes_ (1979) was: Frank Bornemann (Lead Vocals/Guitar) Klaus-Peter Matziol (Bass/Vocals) Detlev Schmidtchen (Keyboards) Jurgen Rosenthal (Drums) _Colours_ (1980) & _Planets_ (1981) were recorded by: Frank Bornemann (Lead Vocals, Electric and Accoustic Guitars) Klaus-Peter Matziol (Bass Guitars, Vocals) Hannes Arkona (Electric and Acoustic Guitars) Hannes Folberth (Keyboards) Jim McGillivray (Drums, Percussion) >Also what is the Wild Geese sndtrk like? I saw the movie once a long time ago, but can't recall the soundtrack. I know that Bornemann was not involved. >OnTheCD: Colours-Eloy (boy those lyrics on horizons sure seem familiar.) I'm sure you know, but just in case, the lyrics were "borrowed" from Yes' "The Revealing Science of God" off of _Tales from Topographic Oceans_. I wonder if there were/are any legal ramifications to that. obHW: Found a copy of the Griffin version of _Live Chronicles_ last week! I thought I had missed the boat on that one. And it is excellent. MWood NP: _Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music_ - HW From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Mar 26 14:58:05 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:58:05 +0100 Subject: Sabbath Reunion - Was: Glastonbury Festival Message-ID: >> I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear >>at this years Glastonbury Festival. >> >> Cool or what?!! > >Errrr, I thought Sabbath had basically, like, taken a sabbatical :-) > >So who's in the band these days ? > >Tim actually Ozzy, Geezer and Tony... see stolen mail from the former BOC-l member "Sabbath Mailing List" :0) \\joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25, Mar 1997 From: Joe Siegler Subject: Music News of the World - OzzFest Features Black Sabbath Reunion I picked up this little blurb this morning from the following web site: http://www.addict.com/html/hifi/MNOTW/. The title of the site is "Music News of the World". Here's what they had to say. Nothing here we did not already know, but there's one comment about Sabbath playing a set of Ozzy solo material, or at least that's what it reads like to me. I don't think this would ever happen, I can't see Iommi wanting to play "Shot in the Dark". :) "Music News of the World" Ozzfest Features Black Sabbath Reunion Marilyn Manson will do some of the dates. Because the teens just can't get enough of the festival spirit, the oft-retired and unretired Ozzy Osbourne has packed his second-annual Ozzfest with a host of heavy names, the heaviest of which, as reported earlier in ATN, will be a Black Sabbath reunion featuring Osbourne, guitarist Tony Iommi, bassist Geezer Butler and Mike Bordin of Faith No More on drums. Joining Ozzy on his summer jaunt, which will hit the road from late May to late June, will be Marilyn Manson (in selected markets), Pantera, Type O Negative, Fear Factory, Machinehead, Powerman 5000 and more guests to be named later. In case you just can't get enough of Ozzy, the Sabbath set will follow a full set of Ozzy solo material. Osbourne has also hand-picked young metal bands like Coal Chamber, downset., Vision Of Disorder, Neurosis, Drain S.T.H. and Slo Burn to headline a second stage, to be set in a Lollapalooza-like midway area. This tour follows the one-off Ozzfest date in Los Angeles last year. No dates or venues have been announced yet. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 26 14:58:42 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:58:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Cleopatra TDream CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > Hey, > Can anyone give me run down on that TD tribute CD? Is it good or sucky. > I think this could go either way depending on interpretation. Real > curious as I may just go buy the damn thing at lunch. Parts are great, parts are sucky, most is "OK". The arrangements basically stay true to the original (with a bit of editing for the versions of Majeure and Mojave), so there's little new stuff on the tribute, besides the two bonus tracks featuring ex-TD members. Those songs aren't that good, though, IMO. In other words, you'd be better off buying it only if there's nothing else to buy. Damon From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Mar 26 15:43:37 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:43:37 +1000 Subject: Dncing and all. was: (from Shari again) Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > OTOH, we've got the Sp*ce G*rls :( > > I'll go and wash my hands after typing that!!!! No, I'm afraid you're crime too heinous - I'm afraid those hands are going to have to go. The punishment is amputation... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 26 18:08:42 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:08:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: Glastonbury Festival In-Reply-To: Keith Barton's message of Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:01:31 GMT Message-ID: Keith Barton writes: > I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear at this years Glastonbury Festival. > > Cool or what?!! Glastonbury Tickets are now on sale at official outlets. Dunno quite what makes an outlet "official" but certainly the ticket shop in Edinburgh's Virgin record store has them available. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Mar 26 19:45:09 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:45:09 EST Subject: Glastonbury Festival Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:01:31 GMT Keith Barton writes: >I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear at >this years Glastonbury Festival. > >Cool or what?!! > >Keith so have Phish... From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 26 20:24:45 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:24:45 -0600 Subject: HW: Magic Muscle, Ade Shaw Message-ID: Now that the Shaw profile is on the official site, my curiousity has been sparked. Could a few of you please describe the music of Magic Muscle? Please use as many words as you feel are necessary. Would I, a HW fan with Crimsoid / Genesis / Soft Machine / Yes / Orbital / Bowie / Vangelis leanings, enjoy Muscle-music? To whose music would you compare Muscle's? Thanks. Damon P.S.: I know, we've discussed this before, but I wasn't paying attention that time. Sorry. :-) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Mar 26 21:31:14 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:31:14 +1000 Subject: OFF Eloy-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Mar 97 at 9:56, Dane Carlson wrote: > Seems like a Eloy list these days. Anyone have the LP of Colours? there is > zero info on the CD. Can anyone tell me the band or if is the same band as > on Ocean or Planets. I'll check my LP's tonight and let you know. > Also what is the Wild Geese sndtrk like? Well, as Marshall mentioned, Frank Bornemann was not involved. It's not a very Eloy-ish album .... many instrumentals and only one faster track (The Queen of Rock 'n Roll). It's OK ... but I wouldn't put it on the "must have" list by any means. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Mar 26 15:52:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:52:36 -0000 Subject: Magic Muscle, Ade Shaw Message-ID: > Could a few of you please describe the music of Magic Muscle? Please use > as many words as you feel are necessary. Would I, a HW fan with Crimsoid > / Genesis / Soft Machine / Yes / Orbital / Bowie / Vangelis leanings, > enjoy Muscle-music? To whose music would you compare Muscle's? im not gonna try to describe it, but i like it a lot, and i think you probably would as well, based on some of your other interests. are you familiar with bevis frond? rj > P.S.: I know, we've discussed this before, but I wasn't paying attention > that time. Sorry. :-) me too... From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Mar 26 21:04:49 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:04:49 -0600 Subject: Magic Muscle, Ade Shaw In-Reply-To: <19970327015555060.AAA193@sprawl> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > are you familiar with bevis frond? Nope. Not at all, though I've heard the name tossed around a couple of times. Damon From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Mar 28 00:22:23 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:22:23 -0700 Subject: OFF: Glenn Tipton, you really are jealous Message-ID: First of all, here's how you enjoy the new Queensryche CD, pretend it's not Queensryche. I think it's kind of like eating something that you're used to tasting a certain way, and when the taste doesn't meet your expectations, you think it sucks, even if it does taste good. It seems that more people are curious about the NEW Glenn Tipton CD (yes, Glenn Tipton of Judas Priest). It seems that some of the guitar greats out there are sick of dealing with whiny singers and have decided to take over the vocal chores themselves. This is exactly what Glenn has done. I'm not sure what I expected when I bought this, but Glenn is not screwing around here. This is serious heavy music, the kind that most "heavy metal" bands are afraid to make nowadays. The singing is pretty damn wild. He's not showing any incredible range here, but he gets an "A" for effort. He kinda sounds like Cookie Monster after forgetting to take his Ritalin. His voice also reminded me a bit of Paul DiAnno, then it really hit me. He sounds like a pissed off Neal Schon! The performances are very impressive. This disc has something for everyone. Of course Glenn really tears it up on the guitar, but also featured are the killer bass sounds of Billy Sheehan, Robert Trujillo, and John Entwistle. The drums are not for the wussy either and feature some thumping performances by Cozy Powell. He does a cover of the Stones "Paint it Black" that is pure evil. This is no Sunday morning CD. If Metallica had made this album instead of "Load", headbanging fans everywhere would think it's the greatest. They keep threatening to release the new Judas Priest album. For more info on it check out the OFFICIAL Judas Priest web page: http://members.aol.com/judpriest/index.htm Brad Dahl, still scared Oh yeah, "Club Ninja" is fantastic the first time you listen to it, and it just keeps getting better with every listen! Step into my world of toxic slendor http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From stayer at PI.NET Thu Mar 27 02:01:10 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:01:10 -0800 Subject: OFF Eloy-L Message-ID: Dane Carlson wrote: > Also what is the Wild Geese sndtrk like? Nothing you could be interested in. A friend of mine had the LP a long time ago and after hearing it I decided it was an Eloy album that was not going to be part of my collection. He got rid of it shortly afterwards. OK, back to you, BOC-L... Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 26 12:39:28 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:39:28 +0000 Subject: Glastonbury Festival In-Reply-To: <199703261626.QAA03689@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <199703261626.QAA03689 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >> I've just heard that Black Sabbath have been confirmed to appear at this years >Glastonbury Festival. >> >> Cool or what?!! > >Errrr, I thought Sabbath had basically, like, taken a sabbatical :-) > >So who's in the band these days ? > >More to the point, is Neil Young or Kula Shaker confirmed. I got my >ticket last week - who else here is going ? > > >Tim Me, Me, Me!!!!!! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 26 12:42:27 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:42:27 +0000 Subject: OFF Cleopatra TDream CD In-Reply-To: <199703261614.LAA24909@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In message <199703261614.LAA24909 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >>ObCD: Raffi-Singable Songs for the Very Young > >LOL - this is one of my daughter's favorite albums (she's 2) > >Currently on my player: Veruca Salt - Eight Arms to Hold You I was about to say, my five year old stopped playing it more than a year ago! These days he's wearing a pork pie hat and doing "nutty skanks"! That V.Salt albums a bit polished after the first one, isn't it? -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 27 06:10:54 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:10:54 +1000 Subject: Magic Muscle, Ade Shaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Mar 97 at 20:04, QUEST wrote: > On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > > are you familiar with bevis frond? > > Nope. Not at all, though I've heard the name tossed around a couple of > times. Ummm .... obCD: The Bevis Frond _Son of Walter_ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 01:41:24 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:41:24 -0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: > Ummm .... obCD: The Bevis Frond _Son of Walter_ paul, you must like this cd, hence the ob, but how do you think it compares to previous material? i haven't purchased this yet, for two reasons: i can't find a copy, and my friend, who turned me on to the frond in the first place, and who is most likely the biggest frond fan i have ever met, tells me that it isn't that good. says that it plays like a copy of nick's personal diary, and that it really doesn't compare to what i'm used to. what do YOU think? rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 27 07:54:09 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:54:09 +1000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade In-Reply-To: <19970327114441717.AAA197@sprawl> Message-ID: On 27 Mar 97 at 6:41, Ron Jennings wrote: > > Ummm .... obCD: The Bevis Frond _Son of Walter_ > > paul, you must like this cd, hence the ob, but how do you think it compares > to previous material? Can't answer that .... I don't have any :( > i haven't purchased this yet, for two reasons: > i can't find a copy, > and my friend, who turned me on to the frond in the first place, and who is > most likely the biggest frond fan i have ever met, tells me that it isn't > that good. says that it plays like a copy of nick's personal diary, and that > it really doesn't compare to what i'm used to. Once again, I have nothing to compare it to. It does come across as a "diary" a bit I suppose though. > what do YOU think? I like it a lot, but it's hard to say either way if you would. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 27 06:15:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:15:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Glenn Tipton, you really are jealous Message-ID: > From: dahl > First of all, here's how you enjoy the new Queensryche CD, pretend it's not > Queensryche. I think it's kind of like eating something that you're used > to tasting a certain way, and when the taste doesn't meet your > expectations, you think it sucks, even if it does taste good. > Ah, that was going to be my next question, but you've anticipated it. But ya didn't really say if you liked it or not. Is it a concept album? > It seems that more people are curious about the NEW Glenn Tipton CD (yes, > Glenn Tipton of Judas Priest). It seems that some of the guitar greats out > there are sick of dealing with whiny singers and have decided to take over Well, I'm not going to go back over the 'whiny singer' road, but I definitely hear ya! > the vocal chores themselves. This is exactly what Glenn has done. I'm not > sure what I expected when I bought this, but Glenn is not screwing around > here. This is serious heavy music, the kind that most "heavy metal" bands > are afraid to make nowadays. The singing is pretty damn wild. He's not > showing any incredible range here, but he gets an "A" for effort. He kinda > sounds like Cookie Monster after forgetting to take his Ritalin. His voice > also reminded me a bit of Paul DiAnno, then it really hit me. He sounds > like a pissed off Neal Schon! The performances are very impressive. This GT was a singer before he joined JP. In fact, I think he was the lead singer in his previous band, as well as guitarist, of course. He wrote most of the songs, then? > disc has something for everyone. Of course Glenn really tears it up on the > guitar, but also featured are the killer bass sounds of Billy Sheehan, > Robert Trujillo, and John Entwistle. The drums are not for the wussy > either and feature some thumping performances by Cozy Powell. > Wow! Sounds great. I used to see Billy in bar bands for years before he hit it big. He's from up the road in Buffalo, and his old band, Talas, played all the joints from one end of NY to the other. Even 20 years ago, you could tell he was going places... Cozy's an animal. Is he in a band nowadays, or just doing the hired gun thing? > > http://members.aol.com/judpriest/index.htm > > Brad Dahl, still scared > > Oh yeah, "Club Ninja" is fantastic the first time you listen to it, and it > just keeps getting better with every listen! > Are you related to Bolle, by any chance? theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 27 08:11:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:11:11 GMT Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: On tor 27 mar 1997 06.41 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > Ummm .... obCD: The Bevis Frond _Son of Walter_ > > i haven't purchased this yet, for two reasons: > i can't find a copy, > and my friend, who turned me on to the frond in the first place, and who > is most likely the biggest frond fan i have ever met, tells me that it > isn't that good. I personally don't think it _is_ as good, but primarily because he went back to recording in his bedroom all by himself instead of in the studio with his live band, etc. The sound really suffers in comparison. There are some good songs on the album but they are killed by the hyper lo-fi production. They are *much* better in concert, and come across more clearly as being the equal of Nick's other recent material. I'd recommend _New River Head_ as a good starting place, though the recent _Superseeder_ is damn good as well. My first Frond album was _Any Gas Faster_. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 27 08:35:20 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:35:20 -0500 Subject: OFF Cleopatra TDream CD Message-ID: >That V.Salt albums a bit polished after the first one, isn't it? Yeah, but I think it's better - a heavier album, more guitars... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 27 08:40:39 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:40:39 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: The New BOC FAQ is available!! Message-ID: O.K., I've got the latest version of the FAQ completed. It will eventually reside most-permanently in the BOC-L archives at the following location: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-2_2.txt As of this moment, the FAQ isn't there yet, so I've put the FAQ at the following URL: http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/BOC_FAQ-2_2.txt (note the capital letters - the URL is case-sensitive) And hey, while you're there, you can check out the start of my BOC website -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ The new version of the FAQ has lots of updates, and the latest word on all things BOC, including the track listing for the upcoming (we hope) BOC album, "Ezekiel's Wheel". Also the answer to the age-old question, "When did Buck shave his moustache?" It's in there! John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 27 08:51:51 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:51:51 -0500 Subject: Woke up to BOC on the radio... Message-ID: ...on NPR!!!! Yes, boys and girls, at 0615 this bright and sunny AM, the ol' Sony did what it does every day at that time. When Morning Edition was finished doing the bit about the mass suicides in CA, the "bumper music" came on. Damned if it wasn't the guitar fade-out from "Tenderloin"! Then they played a little snippet from "Morning Final" (still one of my favorite BOC songs, especially Bucks' solo in the bridge)! Last time the radio jolted me awake that hard was when the announcement came that Zappa died... This may portend to be a momentous day...or not. BOC on National Public Radio, who'da thunk it? obCDPlayer: Ozric Tentacles / Erpland (rumour has it that the new OT is due out real soon now!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Mar 27 10:22:54 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:22:54 +1000 Subject: HW: web "ring" proposal In-Reply-To: <9703181543.ZM3279@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On 18 Mar 97 at 15:43, Frank Weil wrote: > (3) Some sort of format for the links. I can take a stab at > this if there is interest. > (4) An agreement that each site in the ring occasionally check > to make sure that its two links are still functioning so > that the ring isn't broken. > (5) Some idea of where we add new ring entries. I am open to > suggestions here, too. > > Comments? Suggestions? Large quantities of unmarked bills? These, and many other related questions have allready been answered at http://www.webring.org .... Let's do it! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 27 09:20:25 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:20:25 -0600 Subject: Savatage I'll Stop Message-ID: Jerry, John S. & Troy and anybody I left out: Thanks gentleman for the notes on Savatge, recommendations noted. Lets put an end to this one before the off topic police* catch up to us. 8>) *Note - no flames intended to anyone. Anybody have any idea of BOC's current club dates? My browsers out of whack and I can't get to Cyberbaron. L8er lil' ab *My number is NM 156* obcd - Galactic Cowboys - Galactic Cowboys "Houston we've got a problem here... Stuck up here in outer space with a bubble around my face would have stayed if I only knew before too long my skin turns blue... pump - up - the - space - suit!" From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 27 09:18:17 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:18:17 -0700 Subject: HW- Magic Muscle, Ade Sh Message-ID: Could a few of you please describe the music of Magic Muscle? Damon, Judging from the bands you like, which are bands I enjoy, I think you will "not appreciate it fully". I am only familiar with Gulp, an EP or something. It has Simon House (who rules) on it. These songs are so bad I cannot begin to describe them. To me it was Bluesy, earthy garbage with terrible vocals. That old style rock and roll. The second song is just so bad I have never been able to make it all the way through. Every once and a while you hear a band that just can't stand, and MM is one of those for me. Dane ObCassette: Encore-Tangeine Dream BTW too late on the Hypnotic TD tribute, I bit. Talk about note for note, what's the point. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Wed Mar 26 20:16:09 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:16:09 -0800 Subject: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Message-ID: ---------- From: Craig Shipley To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: (from Shari again) New BOC fan/Hawkwind Q's Date: Thursday, March 20, 1997 1:49 PM >In a message dated 3/20/97 11:40:17 AM, you wrote: >I have this sneaky feeling I'll have >almost as difficult a time finding Eloy and Nektar as I am Hawkwind . . . Nope. It'll be *MUCH* harder to find Eloy & Nektar CDs. :) MWood Dunno about that. Hit up a couple of stores on the way home tonight; there is no longer a bin card at my local Best Buy for Hawkwind (and they used to have a fantastic selection) and the nearby Borders had the F&R and a couple of other comps, but that was it. Good thing I got all my HW already... objCDPlayer: Jade Warrior / Elements (this is GOOD STUFF! Just wish HORIZEN was on CD...) Same here! Why did Best Buy ditch all their HW??? Chuck ---------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Mar 27 11:16:27 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:16:27 EST Subject: Sabbath Reunion - Was: Glastonbury Festival Message-ID: >"Music News of the World" >Ozzfest Features Black Sabbath Reunion >Marilyn Manson will do some of the dates. > >Because the teens just can't get enough of the festival spirit, the >oft-retired and unretired Ozzy Osbourne has packed his second-annual >Ozzfest with a host of heavy names, the heaviest of which, as reported >earlier >in ATN, will be a Black Sabbath reunion featuring Osbourne, guitarist >Tony >Iommi, bassist Geezer Butler and Mike Bordin of Faith No More on >drums. > >Joining Ozzy on his summer jaunt, which will hit the road from late >May to >late June, will be Marilyn Manson (in selected markets), Pantera, Type >O >Negative, Fear Factory, Machinehead, Powerman 5000 and more guests to >be named >later. > >In case you just can't get enough of Ozzy, the Sabbath set will follow >a full >set of Ozzy solo material. Osbourne has also hand-picked young metal >bands >like Coal Chamber, downset., Vision Of Disorder, Neurosis, Drain >S.T.H. and >Slo Burn to headline a second stage, to be set in a Lollapalooza-like >midway >area. This tour follows the one-off Ozzfest date in Los Angeles last >year. No >dates or venues have been announced yet. This is some of the best news I've heard in a long time......now all we need is a Space Ritual reunion tour. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 07:09:08 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:09:08 -0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: > I personally don't think it _is_ as good, but primarily because he went > back to recording in his bedroom all by himself instead of in the studio > with his live band, etc. The sound really suffers in comparison. There > are some good songs on the album but they are killed by the hyper lo-fi > production. They are *much* better in concert, and come across more > clearly as being the equal of Nick's other recent material. that's some insight... sounds like something i might buy.. > I'd recommend _New River Head_ as a good starting place, though the > recent _Superseeder_ is damn good as well. My first Frond album was _Any > Gas Faster_. yes, these are all good starting points, although AGF may be a bit wild for a first encounter. i started with Miasma. it should be made clear here, that New Riverhead is only 1/2 an album. The other half appears on A Gathering of Fronds, along with some other unreleased material. This too, is an excellent choice. and if you can find a copy of The Fred Bison Five (rearrange the letters, what do you get?), nab it! and...and...and..... the Outskirts of Infinity! Great band! rj > Cheers, > Carl From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 07:17:37 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:17:37 -0000 Subject: HW- Magic Muscle, Ade Sh Message-ID: > Could a few of you please describe the music of Magic Muscle? not to bash dane's opinion... i am not all that familiar with a lot of MM's music, just a couple of albums. i recommend one hundred miles below. it features twink, simon house, ade shaw, rod goodway, and huw gower. its definitely seventies and its definitely raw. danes description is fairly accurate, i guess, but i (who likes all the bands you mentioned), love it. try it out. i only disagree with any assertion that there is a bad song present. but then i haven't heard a lot of it is spacy, but then its still raw. lots of waah waah... i had to go back and listen to it again, to get this. its on now. im groovin'. ;) rj > Damon, > Judging from the bands you like, which are bands I enjoy, I think you will "not appreciate it fully". I am only familiar with Gulp, an EP or something. It has Simon House (who rules) on it. These songs are so bad I cannot begin to describe them. To me it was Bluesy, earthy garbage with terrible vocals. That old style rock and roll. The second song is just so bad I have never been able to make it all the way through. > Every once and a while you hear a band that just can't stand, and MM is one of those for me. > > Dane > > ObCassette: Encore-Tangeine Dream > > BTW too late on the Hypnotic TD tribute, I bit. Talk about note for note, what's the point. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 27 10:47:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:47:38 +0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Carl Edlund Anderson writes > I'd recommend _New River Head_ as a good starting place, though the >recent _Superseeder_ is damn good as well. My first Frond album was _Any >Gas Faster_. > >Cheers, >Carl I started with Miasma, didn't get any further. Is this not representative then? -- Jon Browne From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 27 12:08:24 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:08:24 -0700 Subject: HW- Magic Muscle, Ade S Message-ID: rj, Bash away. Po-tate-0 Po-taught-O. Maybe Gulp was not indicative of all MM. Some people my prefer MM, but I, myself care less for them ;) ObCD: signify-Porcupine Tree I just got this, never heard them before, sounding pretty damn good. even at "work volume". From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu Mar 27 13:10:44 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:10:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/97 12:22:07 PM, you wrote: > > Rush-bashing strikes me as a pointless and puerile exercise, >especially on BOC-L (which, I thought, focused on discussion of Hawkwind >and BOC). The subject header strikes me as an ad hominem attack, which >should not be tolerated at all here. This isn't Usenet. Guido, dear, Ted was just razzing us Rush fans . . . and it's much more fun to banter than flame. I wasn't offended, and I believe it was one of my posts that he homed in on. And it _was_ labeled as OFF-topic, so you might as well flame everyone who posts on something not specifically BOC- or HW-oriented. >If you must bash, >why don't you bash that has-been, dinosaur band known as Blue Oyster Cult? >Better yet, why not say something interesting? Gee, is this a slam against that Cultosaurus Erectus creature I've been hearing so much about? ;-) Shari From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 27 13:05:40 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:05:40 -0700 Subject: OFF Has Been Dinosaur Bands Message-ID: I think that covers most every band I like:) Let's hear it for Has Been Dinosaur Bands! Hoorah! ObCasette: Metromania-Eloy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 27 14:40:01 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:40:01 -0500 Subject: HW- Magic Muscle, Ade Sh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Dane Carlson wrote: > Judging from the bands you like, which are bands I enjoy, I think > you will "not appreciate it fully". I am only familiar with Gulp, an EP > or something. It has Simon House (who rules) on it. These songs are so > bad I cannot begin to describe them. To me it was Bluesy, earthy garbage > with terrible vocals. That old style rock and roll. The second song is > just so bad I have never been able to make it all the way through. > Every once and a while you hear a band that just can't stand, and MM > is one of those for me. It appears you didn't like it. ;-) If you still have _Gulp!_, and it is on CD, I would be willing to take it off your hands. Please let me know. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _A Gathering of Fronds_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 27 14:44:20 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:44:20 -0500 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade In-Reply-To: <19970327171225642.AAA187@sprawl> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > it should be made clear here, > that New Riverhead > is only 1/2 an album. The other half appears on A Gathering of Fronds, > along with > some other unreleased material. This too, is an excellent choice. It's stretching it a bit to say _New River Head_ is only 1/2 an album. The double LP is *all* the album. ;-) The CD release is about 3/4 of what appears on the LP; the remaining 6 songs appear, as you say, on _A Gathering of Fronds_. Btw, I agree all the way: _A Gathering of Fronds_ is an excellent choice. (I'm listening to it now.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _A Gathering of Fronds_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 27 14:41:43 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:41:43 -0500 Subject: OFF Has Been Dinosaur Bands Message-ID: Dig, man, I'm with you about 50% ('cuz there are a ton of bands and artists that are new and active that I like!). Most of them Dinosaur Bands (TM) have more talent in their pinkie than some of these new bands have in all their members. Old ain't "old", just more experienced/talented/better/sexy (OOPS, think that is a personal revelation :-) :-) :-) obCD: BOC / Agents Of Fortune obBeer: Bass Ale Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Dane Carlson[SMTP:dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 1997 1:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF Has Been Dinosaur Bands I think that covers most every band I like:) Let's hear it for Has Been Dinosaur Bands! Hoorah! ObCasette: Metromania-Eloy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 27 14:53:19 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:53:19 -0500 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade In-Reply-To: <0Z5UqEAaapOzEwS$@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > I started with Miasma, didn't get any further. Is this not > representative then? I don't think _Miasma_ is the best place to start. I know many people who are put off by the lo-fi nature of the early Bevis Frond releases, coupled with their wild, unstructured ways. (Of the early releases, I much prefer _Inner Marshland_.) I started with _New River Head_, was instantly hooked, and have never looked back. (I have all the Bevis Frond albums, bar the latest one, _Son of Walter_.) I strongly suggest you give it a try. I doubt you'll be disappointed! _A Gathering of Fronds_ is well worth trying, too, as it contains a range of material from early releases up to circa _New River Head_. (Plus, it contains the excellent "High in a Flat.") Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _A Gathering of Fronds_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Thu Mar 27 14:22:32 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:22:32 -0700 Subject: HW- Paul>Magic Muscle Message-ID: >If you still have _Gulp!_, and it is on CD nope, never owned it. dane From ShariHill at AOL.COM Thu Mar 27 16:57:15 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:57:15 -0500 Subject: BOC fans in Indiana area Message-ID: OK . . . I've been whining about being a new fan that's never seen BOC play, and as I was pondering this earlier today, an idea flickered through the cobwebs and stuck around: we've got a semi-new radio station in South Bend that's trying hard to win listeners over from the older stations. One way they're doing this is by attempting to bring in bands for live shows at a local club. They've snagged Stir, Darla Hood, and one of those aforementioned Dinosaur bands, Gene Loves Jezebel, so far this month. I'm sure they'd be willing to try for BOC--assuming they can catch them and get things set up. Now, if there are any more BOC fans around Northern Indiana on this list, feel free to contact WRBR out of Mishawaka, IN and put your two cents in. Let me know if you contact information--I'm still looking for an email or internet address, but I can also scrounge up a phone # if you want that. Who knows? It might work! Shari "On the other hand, you have different fingers." From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Mar 27 17:11:27 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:11:27 -0500 Subject: BOC fans in Indiana area In-Reply-To: <970327165712_-636531318@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Shari Hill wrote: > they're doing this is by attempting to bring in bands for live shows at a > local club. They've snagged Stir, Darla Hood, and one of those > aforementioned Dinosaur bands, Gene Loves Jezebel, so far this month. I'm Jeez, if Gene Loves Jezebel are considered a dinosaur band then I must be waaay older than I though. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concert_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 27 17:55:58 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:55:58 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: New FAQ available in archive Message-ID: As John mentioned earlier, the FAQ has been placed in the archive at in the [.boc-l] subdirectory. YnSSHM, Ben From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 13:46:19 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:46:19 -0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: > > I'd recommend _New River Head_ as a good starting place, though the > >recent _Superseeder_ is damn good as well. My first Frond album was _Any > >Gas Faster_. > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > I started with Miasma, didn't get any further. Is this not > representative then? > -- > Jon Browne yes, im afraid it is. the newer stuff is a lot more polished, and much of it is more melodic. but all and all, nick is a wild man! rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 13:47:46 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:47:46 -0000 Subject: OFF Has Been Dinosaur Bands Message-ID: > > I think that covers most every band I like:) > Let's hear it for Has Been Dinosaur Bands! > > Hoorah! yes, and with the new cloning craze..... jurassic rock! rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 13:51:19 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:51:19 -0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: i LOUDLY echo and endorse all of paul's sentiments, which follow: > On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > > > I started with Miasma, didn't get any further. Is this not > > representative then? > > I don't think _Miasma_ is the best place to start. I know many people who > are put off by the lo-fi nature of the early Bevis Frond releases, coupled > with their wild, unstructured ways. (Of the early releases, I much prefer > _Inner Marshland_.) > > I started with _New River Head_, was instantly hooked, and have never > looked back. (I have all the Bevis Frond albums, bar the latest one, _Son > of Walter_.) I strongly suggest you give it a try. I doubt you'll be > disappointed! _A Gathering of Fronds_ is well worth trying, too, as it > contains a range of material from early releases up to circa _New River > Head_. (Plus, it contains the excellent "High in a Flat.") > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: The Bevis Frond, _A Gathering of Fronds_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 13:57:40 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:57:40 -0000 Subject: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: > > On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > > > it should be made clear here, > > that New Riverhead > > is only 1/2 an album. The other half appears on A Gathering of Fronds, > > along with > > some other unreleased material. This too, is an excellent choice. > > It's stretching it a bit to say _New River Head_ is only 1/2 an album. > The double LP is *all* the album. ;-) The CD release is about 3/4 of what > appears on the LP; the remaining 6 songs appear, as you say, on _A > Gathering of Fronds_. ok, maybe stretching it a bit. NRH is long enuff to be an album. but the 6 tracks from AGOF were intended to be part of NRH, and total over 30 minutes of music! and it is listed on AGoF as NRH pt. 2. i was "only making it clear," so that people who grabbed NRH, would know that there was more where that came from! ;) another great thing about bevis frond- the length of the discs! most of them are over 70 minutes! rj > Btw, I agree all the way: _A Gathering of Fronds_ is an excellent choice. > (I'm listening to it now.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: The Bevis Frond, _A Gathering of Fronds_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 14:39:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:39:36 -0000 Subject: OFF: apologies... Message-ID: um... i just noticed that i was posting too much. and off topic too.. im sorry, and will try to condense it all, from now on... rj From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 27 20:09:24 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:09:24 -0500 Subject: Stuff in my posts Message-ID: ---------- From: Guido Vacano[SMTP:gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU] Sent: Friday, March 21, 1997 2:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF Jeff Beck/Punky Meadows/Angel/Frank Zappa/Friday Afternoon > Craig Shipley wrote > > >Yeah, but their guitarist was/contains more fluid than Jeff Beck. And > > Sorry guys, that makes me really MAD - how on earth can you make a comparison > like that, OK by his own admission, Beck is no "genius", and he himself is > awed by the technical virtuosity of some modern players, but JB was/is > one of the great INNOVATORS of the electric guitar!!!!!!!!!! I disagree. IMHO, Jeff Beck most certainly IS a genius (also played the best concert I've ever seen). > Have you ever heard FZ's BABY SNAKES or LIVE IN NY release? If you haven't, > the line above (and several others I used) were take directly from a > track that appears on those releases, titled "Punky's Whips". It is a sad > tale of woe of how FZ's boy drummer, Terry Bozio, becomes infatuated > with a PR photo of Angels' guitarist, Punky Meadows. Since we were talking > about Angel, I just couldn't resist... >:-> I'm surprised you remember that much Pops! :-) It's also interesting because Terry Bozzio was playing drums forJeff Beck on _Guitar Shop_, and the aforementioned concert. > And I agree, JB is a helluva guitarist! One of my desert island disks would > have to be BLOW BY BLOW. So much for your reputation for senility. :-) ;-) > JB is still around and active, can't say the same for ol' Punky...So, relax, > it was all a bit of humour! BTW Craig--I can't tell you how much I love editing out all those lines of ms-tnef crap whenever I reply to one of your posts.It makes me feel better dropping some cash for the newest version of OS/2. Down with Micro$oft!!!! :-) Guido -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2609 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Mar 27 20:35:58 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:35:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Psi Power Tab Message-ID: OK kids, here's my tab for Psi Power as heard on "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic". This is very difficult to do without being able to write out the notes. I'm not sure how to notate time values.... I guess I can't, without notes. Anyway, here we go. I'm going to notate things by listing the string number, a comma, and the fret number, so for example (2,5) means play the second string at the fifth fret. If I've stacked several of these things together, it's a chord, for example A major is (1,0) (2,2) (3,2) (4,2) (5,0) I'll put the name of the chord over the tab as well. Use your ears for the rhythm, since I can't figure out any means of notating it without the use of ordinary notes, so I guess this will just be a rough idea. OK... /E /D /C /C (3,9) (3,7) (3,5) (3,5) (4,9) (4,7) (4,5) (4,5) (5,7) (5,5) (5,3) (5,3) do the above twice as the intro (again, listen to the record for the rhythm) and then repeat as the main body of the song, except that on the second measure of the C, do this instead: (4,5) (4,5) (5,3) (5,3) (5,2) (5,3) (5,3) (5,2) (5,3) And then the chorus part goes.... /G /C /G /C /G /C /Dsus4 D /Dsus4 D /Dsus4 D (1,3) (1,0) (1,3) (1,2) (2,3) (2,1) (2,3) (2,3) (3,0) (3,0) (3,2) (3,2) (4,0) (4,2) (4,0) (4,0) ----- (5,3) (6,3) ----- And then... /E /E /A /A /C /C (1,0) (1,0) (1,0) (2,0) (2,2) (2,1) (3,1) (3,2) (3,0) (4,2) (4,2) (4,2) (5,2) (5,0) (5,3) (6,0) and then back to the verse part for the rhythm guitar while Huw plays a lead. Listen to the song for order of parts etc. I don't recall myself offhand, as I haven't played the song in a long time. then there's a modulation part that goes... /A# /C (3,3) (3,5) (4,3) (4,5) (5,1) (5,3) all the lead stuff is basically in E minor/G major if that's any help. If I'm feeling ambitious sometime soon, I'll transcribe the leads also, but for now I have to go study my calculus for tomorrow... John Majka Flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Mar 27 20:41:40 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:41:40 -0500 Subject: Hawkfans in Indiana? Message-ID: This talk of BOC fans in Indiana (which is also where I'm from) makes me wonder how many Hawkfans are in Indiana. I've gotten in touch with Jim Lasko to set up a show in Indianapolis at the Vogue (assuming that the Hawks tour). I don't know if I'm supposed to say this or not, but I talked to Mary Bruce (of Kadu Flyer) recently and she said she had spoken directly to Doug Smith who said that, frankly, the Hawks' US tour was looking increasingly unlikely. But hey, we can always hope... John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 28 01:05:35 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:05:35 -0700 Subject: OFF: attaining outtatown tix Message-ID: Hi! can anybody tell me how to obtain show tix from out of town? Ive never done this! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi! can anybody tell me how to obtain show tix from out of town? Ive never done this! Pam -- hi pam, if its ticketmaster or electric factory or whatever, call information for the city where the show is, and if its not, or if you don't know, call the venue. even if they won't mail them to you, they will usually hold them at the door. there may be a better way, but that's what i've always done... rj From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 28 02:59:53 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:59:53 -0700 Subject: attaining outtatown tix Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > hi pam, > if its ticketmaster or electric factory or whatever, call information for > the city where the > show is, and if its not, or if you don't know, call the venue. > even if they won't mail them to you, they will usually hold them at the > door. > there may be a better way, but that's what i've always done... > rj OK-thanx!! I'll try it as soon as the show I'm interested in is confirmed as to the date ! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Magic Muscle Message-ID: > >If you still have _Gulp!_, and it is on CD > > > nope, never owned it. I did, once ... got it from Woronzow not so long ago--and very embarassed about it did Ade Shaw seem to be :) And after a few listens I began to agree to a large extent. It might have grown on me in time, but I traded it to Scott Heller (to whom I have promised a vast number of tapes :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 28 03:02:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:02:59 GMT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond, was:muscle and ade Message-ID: > I started with _New River Head_, was instantly hooked, and have never > looked back. (I have all the Bevis Frond albums, bar the latest one, > _Son of Walter_.) _NRH_ was my first acquisition after _AGF_ both of which I think are fab and probably still my faves along with _Superseeder_. I got _Son of Walter_ almost before it came out (!) but really haven't listened to it that much. As I say, some of the material translates quite well live. People should also not neglect the recent cassette releases of live and rare material that Woronzow put out. Apparently there is some _primo_ material and you can get all 5 tapes for 20 quid! Check the www site. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Mar 27 22:08:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 03:08:07 -0000 Subject: HW- Paul>Magic Muscle Message-ID: what is the date on "gulp?" im just wondering, because if its as bad as ya say, i am wondering which of our examples is non-standard.. one million miles is a pretty damned good album, i have trouble picturing many hw fans not liking it. i know its not unusual to have really great albums along with really bad ones, but wonder if one of these is mo' better an example than the other. anyone here VERy familiar with MM? rj > > > >If you still have _Gulp!_, and it is on CD > > > > > nope, never owned it. > > I did, once ... got it from Woronzow not so long ago--and very > embarassed about it did Ade Shaw seem to be :) And after a few listens I > began to agree to a large extent. It might have grown on me in time, but I > traded it to Scott Heller (to whom I have promised a vast number of tapes > :) > > Cheers, > Carl From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Mar 28 07:27:43 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:27:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Theo's fave band again! In-Reply-To: <970327131042_-1938671234@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "Shari Hill" at Mar 27, 97 01:10:44 pm Message-ID: Hi Shari-- > > Rush-bashing strikes me as a pointless and puerile exercise, > >especially on BOC-L (which, I thought, focused on discussion of Hawkwind > >and BOC). The subject header strikes me as an ad hominem attack, which > >should not be tolerated at all here. This isn't Usenet. > > Guido, dear, Ted was just razzing us Rush fans . . . and it's much more fun > to banter than flame. I wasn't offended, and I believe it was one of my > posts that he homed in on. And it _was_ labeled as OFF-topic, so you might > as well flame everyone who posts on something not specifically BOC- or > HW-oriented. I may have missed most of the thread (and the point), and if so, sorry for blowing up. The post I replied to was definitely not marked "OFF" (added that myself). > >If you must bash, > >why don't you bash that has-been, dinosaur band known as Blue Oyster Cult? > >Better yet, why not say something interesting? > > Gee, is this a slam against that Cultosaurus Erectus creature I've been > hearing so much about? ;-) How's that thing eat with his teeth fused together? :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Mar 28 07:34:58 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:34:58 -0500 Subject: OFF Has Been Dinosaur Bands In-Reply-To: <01BC3ABD.018D5200@dynamic-14.async.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Mar 27, 97 02:41:43 pm Message-ID: Craig sez-- > Dig, man, I'm with you about 50% ('cuz there are a ton of bands and artists > that are new and active that I like!). Most of them Dinosaur Bands (TM) > have more talent in their pinkie than some of these new bands have in > all their members. Quite true! I'm most imressed with the bands that continue to produce new and original material (King Crimson anyone? :-) ). Then there are the bands that should quit because they're getting embarassing (IMHO, Yes and ELP), and then there are bands that haven't released a new album in years (BOC)--they just tour endlessly. > Old ain't "old", just more > experienced/talented/better/sexy (OOPS, think that is a personal > revelation :-) :-) :-) > We don't want the sordid details Craig. :-) > obBeer: Bass Ale Yes, though I like Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale better. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Mar 28 10:14:57 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:14:57 -0700 Subject: BOC Club Dates!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Readers, Here are the latest club show for BOC. These are right after the benefit in GA. And, as you can see, I'm excited about the band playing in my neck of the woods (desert, actually); 4-14 Tucson, AZ 4-15 Albuquerque, NM Midnight Rodeo 4-17 Grand Junction, CO 4-18 Golden, CO Buffalo Rose Saloon 4-19 COlorado Springs, CO I'll be attending my hometown show (albq), and travelling up for the Golden and Colorado Springs shows. Hope to meet some of you at those shows. God bles... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Mar 28 10:10:35 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:10:35 -0700 Subject: Savatage I'll Stop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > Jerry, John S. & Troy and anybody I left out: > > Thanks gentleman for the notes on Savatge, recommendations noted. Lets > put an end to this one before the off topic police* catch up to us. 8>) > > *Note - no flames intended to anyone. > > Anybody have any idea of BOC's current club dates? My browsers out of > whack and I can't get to Cyberbaron. > > > L8er > > lil' ab > > *My number is NM 156* > > obcd - Galactic Cowboys - Galactic Cowboys > > "Houston we've got a problem here... > > Stuck up here in outer space with a bubble around my face > would have stayed if I only knew before too long my skin turns blue... > pump - up - the - space - suit!" > Latest BOC club dates (Not SummerDaze); 4-14 Tucson, AZ 4-15 Albuquerque, NM Midnight Rodeo 4-17 Grand Junction, CO TBA 4-18 Golden, CO Buffalo Rose Saloon 4-19 Colorado Springs, CO 4-2? Alaska God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 28 11:23:39 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 02:23:39 +1000 Subject: Pressurehead... Message-ID: Greetings all, I'd like to add my recommendation of the new Pressurehead album "Explaining the Unexplained" to that made a few days ago. I really didn't like any of their previous albums, though many of the side projects are good, but this new outing has left me quite satisfied with my purchase. I guess I'm just a sucker for concept albums, and I particularly like the concept behind this one - even if I have to laugh at much of what's in the booklet that comes with it. I'd say that the influence of Mr. Turner, Mr. House, and others has been very good on the band, as they seem to have a future - i.e. this album (unlike the others) indicates that it is possible that they may progress and improve. Anyhoo, that's my little bit... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 28 10:31:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:31:03 EDT Subject: ptolomeic terrascope [sp?] Message-ID: Prog rock lovers alert There's an interesting feature on that publication in this month's Guitar World. Much mention of Beavis Frond, etc. Might be worthwhile for ya: http://www.guitarworld.com theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Mar 28 12:49:36 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:49:36 UT Subject: OFF: Re: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: >> Gee, is this a slam against that Cultosaurus Erectus creature I've been >> hearing so much about? ;-) > >How's that thing eat with his teeth fused together? :-) It probably strained plankton. The artist's impression notwithstanding, _C. erectus_ was actually an aquatic dinosaur. The body rested on the sea-bed, and the head floated. Hence that neck, which is many hundreds of metres long, judging by the spaceship. At least, that's the only way I can see the bloody thing working! :) I never liked that cover. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Mar 28 13:28:20 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:28:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Psi Power Tab Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:36:58 >To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: John Majka >Subject: HW: Psi Power Tab > >OK kids, here's my tab for Psi Power as heard on "Stonehenge: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic". This is very difficult to do without being able to write out the notes. I'm not sure how to notate time values.... I guess I can't, without notes. Anyway, here we go. > >I'm going to notate things by listing the string number, a comma, and the fret number, so for example (2,5) means play the second string at the fifth fret. If I've stacked several of these things together, it's a chord, for example A major is (1,0) > (2,2) > (3,2) > (4,2) > (5,0) > >I'll put the name of the chord over the tab as well. Use your ears for the rhythm, since I can't figure out any means of notating it without the use of ordinary notes, so I guess this will just be a rough idea. OK... > >/E /D /C /C > (3,9) (3,7) (3,5) (3,5) > (4,9) (4,7) (4,5) (4,5) > (5,7) (5,5) (5,3) (5,3) > >do the above twice as the intro (again, listen to the record for the rhythm) >and then repeat as the main body of the song, except that on the second measure of the C, do this instead: > >(4,5) (4,5) >(5,3) (5,3) (5,2) (5,3) (5,3) (5,2) (5,3) > >And then the chorus part goes.... > >/G /C /G /C /G /C /Dsus4 D /Dsus4 D /Dsus4 D >(1,3) (1,0) (1,3) (1,2) >(2,3) (2,1) (2,3) (2,3) >(3,0) (3,0) (3,2) (3,2) >(4,0) (4,2) (4,0) (4,0) >----- (5,3) >(6,3) ----- > >And then... > >/E /E /A /A /C /C >(1,0) (1,0) (1,0) >(2,0) (2,2) (2,1) >(3,1) (3,2) (3,0) >(4,2) (4,2) (4,2) >(5,2) (5,0) (5,3) >(6,0) > >and then back to the verse part for the rhythm guitar while Huw plays a lead. Listen to the song for order of parts etc. I don't recall myself offhand, as I haven't played the song in a long time. > >then there's a modulation part that goes... >/A# /C >(3,3) (3,5) >(4,3) (4,5) >(5,1) (5,3) > >all the lead stuff is basically in E minor/G major if that's any help. If I'm feeling ambitious sometime soon, I'll transcribe the leads also, but for now I have to go study my calculus for tomorrow... > >John Majka >Flossbac at wcic.org > > > From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Mar 28 13:28:54 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:28:54 -0500 Subject: Hawkfans in Indiana? Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:42:39 >To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: John Majka >Subject: Hawkfans in Indiana? > >This talk of BOC fans in Indiana (which is also where I'm from) makes me wonder how many Hawkfans are in Indiana. I've gotten in touch with Jim Lasko to set up a show in Indianapolis at the Vogue (assuming that the Hawks tour). I don't know if I'm supposed to say this or not, but I talked to Mary Bruce (of Kadu Flyer) recently and she said she had spoken directly to Doug Smith who said that, frankly, the Hawks' US tour was looking increasingly unlikely. But hey, we can always hope... > >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org > From Conen at MSN.COM Fri Mar 28 11:44:35 1997 From: Conen at MSN.COM (Donna or Kelvin The Mad House) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:44:35 UT Subject: arthur comics/ what is quicksand Message-ID: Gang....... I know this may seem to be a dumb question, but I've got a copy of the Stalk-Forrest groups' "what is quicksand/Arthur comics"... i realise that this is pre-BOC, and comes from the "lost" elektra album ( I know this 'cos it's on elektra!!! ), but can find no more out about it; the FAQs mention the stalk-forrest group ( and of course they're sort of name checked on the back of "cultosaurus") but tend to suggest that they released no recordings. I would like to know if the single ever got a "proper" release (mine is a DJ promo copy), if any other stuff has surfaced from this period, and the golden **larfs** question... Just how rare is this damn thing?? Every time I see a copy of "record collector" or a such like publication, i check it out, but there's no mention of it. This MAY be because i'm based in the UK... but it may not.... I await with interest... Ciao Stewart E From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 28 14:02:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:02:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Wanted: Brighton '92 and Brixton '96. Message-ID: A quite horrendous display of incompetence on my part has had the effect of trashing my favourite live HW tape, Brighton '92. I don't have many tapes to start with, so I would rather like a replacement. I'm also interested in a tape of last year's Brixton gig. I don't have a wide range of stuff to trade, but see if you're interested in these: Nik: Xitintoday (tape of the original '76 album). ICU: Tapes of Punkadelic or The Maximum Effect. FSOL: Tape of last Monday's live ISDN performance for Radio 3 (20 mins). HW: Washington '89 Minneapolis '89 Oxford '94 Stonehenge '83 (tape of a bootleg album) Glasgow '82 New York '78 + the BOC-L covers tapes. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 28 15:25:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: arthur comics/ what is quicksand Message-ID: What you have is one of probably only about 200 copies that were pressed. The single was not released as a "proper" single, although I believe Elektra later released it on some Elektra compilation (still looking for the info so I can add to the FAQ) - the compilation only contained "Arthur Comics", not "What is Quicksand". John From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Mar 28 15:46:16 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:46:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Wanted: Brighton '92 and Brixton '96. Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > A quite horrendous display of incompetence on my part has had the effect > of trashing my favourite live HW tape, Brighton '92. I don't have many > tapes to start with, so I would rather like a replacement. I'm also > interested in a tape of last year's Brixton gig. > > I don't have a wide range of stuff to trade, but see if you're interested > in these: > > Nik: Xitintoday (tape of the original '76 album). > ICU: Tapes of Punkadelic or The Maximum Effect. > > FSOL: Tape of last Monday's live ISDN performance for Radio 3 (20 mins). > > HW: Washington '89 > Minneapolis '89 > Oxford '94 > Stonehenge '83 (tape of a bootleg album) > Glasgow '82 > New York '78 > + the BOC-L covers tapes. > > Dave. > -- > Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, > Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. > Tel: +44 131 668 1564 Dave-I'll take one of each!! :) Actually, I don't have the one you're looking for-but I do have some others! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > Ah, that was going to be my next question, but you've anticipated it. > But ya didn't really say if you liked it or not. Is it a concept > album? I do like the new Queensryche album, but it's not what I expected (or hoped to hear) out of them. I don't think it's anything like their previous material. It amazes me that they had to go all the way to Nashville to sound like they're from Seattle. Peter Collins is one of my all time favorite producers, but this album sounds more like a demo tape. The song writing and performances are fairly simple. The songs are good, just not great. It reminds me of when I first got Bruce Dickinson's Skunkworks album. None of the songs really stand out, but they are good. > GT was a singer before he joined JP. In fact, I think he was the > lead singer in his previous band, as well as guitarist, of course. > He wrote most of the songs, then? I did not know that (which is how I responded on another list when a guy posted that "Sting blew monkeys". He wrote all the songs (music and lyrics) except "Paint it Black". I'm curious to hear other opinions regarding this album. > Wow! Sounds great. I used to see Billy in bar bands for years > before he hit it big. Billy is an incredible player. His work on the Rush tribute album is beyond amazing. > Cozy's an animal. Is he in a band nowadays, or just doing the hired > gun thing? I'm not aware of Cozy playing with any band. I think that he's pretty burned out on the band and touring thing and will most likely just show up on other people's albums once in awhile. The last time I saw him was his last show with Black Sabbath. It was 1995 in LA. He was incredible, but he left the tour because he was supposedly worn out from touring. > Are you related to Bolle, by any chance? Whenever I golf, he's my caddy. Brad Dahl http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Mar 28 17:32:59 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:32:59 EST Subject: HW: price question about rare vinyl Message-ID: I have a friend with many HW items for sale, but I was unable to give him a reasonable idea of what to sell them for. To this end, I am soliciting BOC-L for input on relative obscurity and price. <<<<<<< Electric Tepee Double LP (Played once) or UK CD. The Xenon Codex Lp w/fold-out cover " " " CD [I personally haven't seen it around in years. Is it rare? I would sell LP or CD depending on which would fetch more. I have to keep one format of this one.] Robert Calvert/Hype LP w/original cover (Ok, as you probably guessed I have the CD as well.) >>>>>>> Any inputs public or private appreciated. Any potential buyers, contact the fellow directly at: phil at toms.net This guy is selling his quite large HW Kollection off. I recently posted a partial list of the many items he has for sale. Two rare items that he still has up-for-grabs include the HW Lyric Book and the HW Picture Log Book (with 3 picture LPs, interview EP, and booklet in a box). Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Mar 28 13:09:52 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:09:52 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Theo's fave band again! Message-ID: > >How's that thing eat with his teeth fused together? :-) > > It probably strained plankton. The artist's impression notwithstanding, _C. > erectus_ was actually an aquatic dinosaur. The body rested on the sea-bed, > and the head floated. Hence that neck, which is many hundreds of metres long, > judging by the spaceship. > looks more to me like it eats airborne exploratory ships? rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 28 18:57:20 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:57:20 -0500 Subject: arthur comics/ what is quicksand Message-ID: >Gang....... > >I know this may seem to be a dumb question, but I've got a copy of the >Stalk-Forrest groups' "what is quicksand/Arthur comics"... i realise that this >is pre-BOC, and comes from the "lost" elektra album ( I know this 'cos it's on >elektra!!! ), but can find no more out about it; the FAQs mention the >stalk-forrest group ( and of course they're sort of name checked on the back >of "cultosaurus") but tend to suggest that they released no recordings. I >would like to know if the single ever got a "proper" release (mine is a DJ >promo copy), if any other stuff has surfaced from this period, and the golden >**larfs** question... Just how rare is this damn thing?? Every time I see a >copy of "record collector" or a such like publication, i check it out, but >there's no mention of it. This MAY be because i'm based in the UK... but it >may not.... If I recall right, (my copy of SFG has been promised for over a year now from someone I won't mention), Arthur Comics sort of ended up as Buck's Boogie or Light Years or Love, can't recall which.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Mar 28 21:56:34 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:56:34 -0400 Subject: arthur comics boogie Message-ID: >If I recall right, (my copy of SFG has been promised for over a year now from >someone I won't mention), Arthur Comics sort of ended up as Buck's Boogie >or Light Years or Love, can't recall which.... The former. Jason From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 29 07:27:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:27:19 +1000 Subject: HW: (FWD) eurohawkon replaced! Message-ID: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- IMPORTANT MESSAGE! ***EUROHAWKON 1997 HAS MOVED TO HAMBURG, JUNE 13,14,15*** It has been decided that the announced 'EuroHawkon-97' that was planned for August 16:th will be cancelled in favour of the German Hawkfest that will take place outside Hamburg on June 13,14,15 featuring darXtar, The Moor w/ Nik Turner, Alan Davey's bedouins, The Rakes, Cn Rizz+ and with some luck the Hawklords themselves! Running two hawkmeetings so close to each other, both in time and distance, would be an unwise decision. We hope this won't mess up things too much for ya all, and the Hamburg meeting will definitely be something special, we look forward to meeting you there folks! For more info phone/fax evenings +49-(0)404500483, Thomas Leonhardt -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 29 07:31:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:31:19 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) hawkwind collection Message-ID: Hi all, Just got this in my mailbox .... I'm sure there's something in here for a few of you state-side! PS: Check the last item on the list!!! Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:42:29 -0800 (PST) To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au From: lotus at connectnet.com (*+*) Subject: hawkwind collection hello. here is an updated list of our hawkwind collection: the following records are currently available at our store. please e-mail otr at connectnet.com if you see anything of interest. postage is extra. CA residents will be charged sales tax. hawkwind-anthology 1 (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-anthology 2 (uk) LP $12 hawkwind- approved history of hawkwind (3 pic.discs+booklet) (UK) $45 hawkwind-astounding sounds, amazing music (uk) LP $14 hawkwind-bring me the head of yuri gagarin (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-choose your masques (uk) LP $20 hawkwind-chronicle of the black sword (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-friends and relations vol. 3 (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-hall of the mountain grill (worn sleeve) $10 hawkwind-hawkwind (us) LP $12 hawkwind-hurry on sundown (FLEP 100) (uk) Lp $12 hawkwind-in search of space (us) LP $12 hawkwind-independent days vol. 2 (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-levitation (black vinyl)(uk) LP $12 hawkwind-live 70-73 (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-needle gun (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-PXR 5 (no poster) (uk) LP $12 hawkwind- quark strangess and charm (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-ridcule (uk) lp $12 hawkwind-roadhawks (w/ poster) (uk) LP $18 hawkwind-silver machine (UP 35381 orig. 1972)(uk) 12" $15 hawkwind-sonic attack (w/ insert) (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-space ritual (us) DLP $20 hawkwind-space ritual vol. 2 DLP $25 hawkwind-text of festival (uk) DLP $25 hawkwind-this is hawkwind. don't panic (UK) DLP $28 hawkwind-twice upon a time (uk) LP $12 hawkwind-utopia 1984 (belgian) LP $15 hawkwind-warrior on the edge of time (uk) LP $14 hawkwind-xenon codex (us) LP $10 hawkwind-zarozina (uk) 12" $10 hawkwind-zones (pic disc+1 LP)(UK) DLP $20 side projects: brock, dave-ear to the ground (uk) LP $10 calvert, robert-freq (uk) LP $12 calvert, robert-test tube concieved (uk) LP$15 hawklords-25 years on (grey vinyl)(uk) 12" $12 inner city unit-blood & bones (uk) LP $12 sphynx (nik turner)-xitintoday (w/booklet) (uk) LP $40 off the record 3849 fifth ave. san diego, ca 92103 ph:(619)298-4755 fax: (619)298-4985 e-mail:otr at connectnet.com http://home.connectnet.com/lotus/ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Sat Mar 29 07:10:23 1997 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:10:23 -0500 Subject: Hawklords books Message-ID: Dear Hawk-types, This has probably been covered (and covered) before, though I haven't seen it mentioned in the 6 months that I've been lurking here, so Has anybody seen (more important, know where to find) a series of paperbook novels by Moorcock featuring the Hawklord's characters? Done in the early 70's I believe. I've got one dog-eared volume I found at a tag sale and it's QUITE GOOD, but it definitely leaves one HUNGERING FOR MORE. Curious Steven Defoe From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Mar 29 08:25:57 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 14:25:57 +0100 Subject: Free Festival in June Message-ID: Hi folks No good news Doug Smith told me that the appereance of the bands (especially HAWKWIND and BEDOUIN) is NOT 100% confirmed :-(( More (I hope better) news later after I have checked out what is really going on there Bernhard From ChStier at AOL.COM Sat Mar 29 14:35:32 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 14:35:32 -0500 Subject: HW:Looking For A Weird Tape Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone has a copy of Weird Tape 105 version A for trade. If so, please drop me a line. Have bunches for trade. Thanks Chris From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Mar 29 15:44:43 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:44:43 -0500 Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: theo wrote: >WEren't you hinting at a gig in Clayton for a week? I sure hope that >happens. Also, Al, Styleens hasn't been advertising the gig in their >weekly ads. Can somebody kick them in the ass? The Clayton gig is off because we're doing the West Coast thing around that same time. Maybe we'll do that week in the 1000 Islands next year. Thanks for the info on Styleens, I'm told they're getting it together. Thanks, Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Mar 29 15:45:58 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:45:58 -0500 Subject: arthur comics/ what is quicksand Message-ID: Stewart E ponders: >would like to know if the single ever got a "proper" release (mine is a DJ >promo copy), if any other stuff has surfaced from this period, and the golden >**larfs** question... Just how rare is this damn thing?? Pretty rare I'd say. I used to have a copy but I lost it. There were 200 DJ copies made round '69 and it was never released to the public. >Every time I see a >copy of "record collector" or a such like publication, i check it out, but >there's no mention of it. It doesn't exist in any kind of marketable quantity. Al From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Mar 29 20:52:02 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:52:02 -0500 Subject: Hawklords books Message-ID: Dear Hawk-types, This has probably been covered (and covered) before, though I haven't seen it mentioned in the 6 months that I've been lurking here, so Has anybody seen (more important, know where to find) a series of paperbook novels by Moorcock featuring the Hawklord's characters? Done in the early 70's I believe. I've got one dog-eared volume I found at a tag sale and it's QUITE GOOD, but it definitely leaves one HUNGERING FOR MORE. Curious Steven Defoe The books were recently re-printed and sold with a couple of the box-set Griffin CD's (QS&C was one of them, don't remember the other, if at all). The first was the best, so I'm told, and the second QUEENS OF DELERIA is supposed to be a real stinker. The third was never published... With the demise of Griffin, the source for these books has dried up, so happy hunting. And Moorcock didn't write these "jewels", Paul Butterworth did... obCDChanger: TD / Dream Roots Box Set (on shuffle and repeat, I'm trying to exercise (exorcise?) a problem out of the transport mechanism.) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Mar 30 01:56:44 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 01:56:44 -0500 Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: >theo wrote: > >>WEren't you hinting at a gig in Clayton for a week? I sure hope that >>happens. Also, Al, Styleens hasn't been advertising the gig in their >>weekly ads. Can somebody kick them in the ass? > >The Clayton gig is off because we're doing the West Coast thing around that >same time. Maybe we'll do that week in the 1000 Islands next year. Thanks >for the info on Styleens, I'm told they're getting it together. Thanks, >Al You hinted at some kind of Florida possibility also, any updates on that? Even a vague city/month intention would be helpful.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 30 07:28:36 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:28:36 +1000 Subject: HW: Blake's Crystal Machine? Message-ID: Hi All... Right... I'll come straight to the point, rather than rambling on and on, and not to actually come to the actual purpose of this post until several paragraphs down... er yes... What is a crystal machine? Everyone goes on about "Tim Blake's famed crystal machine" in the 79/80 period - what the heck is it? I think it's some kind of percussion instrument, but know not the details. It can't be a bike, also, because it's not silver... Oh, and on another topic, I'd recommend to all of the people out there with far too much time on their hands (that, or they are masters at procrastination) to download a copy of "CATraxx" which is an album cataloguing program. It's great, you can put track lists, lineups, authors of each song, even a pic of the cover of the albums on it. A groovy feature is that it has a CD player with the program and you can play CDs and it'll put the track name, author etc. on the screen while you listen. (Gee, you'd think I work for the people who made this program...). I've been typing in all my HW albums this evening - highly exciting (that's what Easter does to you...). <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This was brought to you by the Max Wilcox TV Workshop. "Never ever, bloody anything, ever." Or, more precisely... "Matter? Where's it coming from?" <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Mar 30 12:28:46 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:28:46 -0500 Subject: Cassette Label Program? Message-ID: I'm wondering if anybody out there knows where I can download a program that will print out J-cards for cassette cases. I have a lot of bootlegs etc. and it would be nice if I could label these things more conveniently and in a more organized way. Thanks. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org obcd: Television: Marquee Moon From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Mar 30 12:33:10 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:33:10 -0500 Subject: tBS: Taping Message-ID: RS asks: >You hinted at some kind of Florida possibility also, any updates on that? >Even a vague city/month intention would be helpful.... Honestly, I haven't worked on a Florida tour at all yet although I still intend to do so. It now looks like it won't happen until the fall. Al From des at FOX.NJI.COM Sun Mar 30 13:18:05 1997 From: des at FOX.NJI.COM (E F) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:18:05 -0500 Subject: Cassette Label Program? In-Reply-To: <199703301728.MAA11121@wcic.org> from "John Majka" at Mar 30, 97 12:28:46 pm Message-ID: > > I'm wondering if anybody out there knows where I can download a program that > will print out J-cards for cassette cases. I have a lot of bootlegs etc. > and it would be nice if I could label these things more conveniently and in > a more organized way. Thanks. > > > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.org > obcd: Television: Marquee Moon > I found an excellent program called caselinr 4.8 on either excite or download.com. It's a shareware program but it's not crippled nor does it expire (for those who don't like to support shareware). I'm using it with windows 3.1 and I beleive it works in windows 95. Fairly easy to use, and it prints out the j-card along with the fold down sheet too. Cheers. --Eric From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sun Mar 30 16:12:38 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:12:38 -0600 Subject: Cassette Label Program? Message-ID: At 12:28 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anybody out there knows where I can download a program that >will print out J-cards for cassette cases. I have a lot of bootlegs etc. >and it would be nice if I could label these things more conveniently and in >a more organized way. Thanks. Try this program out it's is pretty good: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WinTaper/ >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org >obcd: Television: Marquee Moon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy, hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Mar 30 18:35:11 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:35:11 -0500 Subject: Blake's Crystal Machine? Message-ID: ---------- From: Max Wilcox[SMTP:s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 1997 7:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Blake's Crystal Machine? Hi All... Right... I'll come straight to the point, rather than rambling on and on, and not to actually come to the actual purpose of this post until several paragraphs down... er yes... What is a crystal machine? Everyone goes on about "Tim Blake's famed crystal machine" in the 79/80 period - what the heck is it? I think it's some kind of percussion instrument, but know not the details. It can't be a bike, also, because it's not silver... "Crystal Machine" was the name Tim gave himself for the performances that he performed with Patrice Warrener (Crystal Machine projectors and Spectra Phusics (sic) 164 Argon laser. There was no "Crystal Machine" synthesizer that he performed on. Only the first release had any reference to "CM", nope, wait a minute! There, on the front cover of "New Jerusalem", on what appears to be the top (?) of the mixing board (?) the lights spell out CRYSTAL 256 MACHINE. Warrener does get credit for "electromagnetic radiation" but that is it. One of the photos of Blake in the "New Jerusalem" release shows his custom EMS synths with what appears to be a row of small crystal balls across the top. Maybe this was the famed "crystal machine", who knows... obCDPlayer: Tim Blake / New Jerusalem (well, I did dig it out for reference and it was just sitting there and...) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Mar 30 19:19:23 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 02:19:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: Re: Sabbath Reunion Message-ID: Joe the mail-thief said; > >In case you just can't get enough of Ozzy, the Sabbath set will follow a full >set of Ozzy solo material. Osbourne has also hand-picked young metal bands >like Coal Chamber, downset., Vision Of Disorder, Neurosis, Drain S.T.H. and >Slo Burn to headline a second stage... And I just want to say; Slo Burn is ex-Kyuss member Jon Garcia's new band!!! -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Mar 30 19:38:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 02:38:01 +0200 Subject: BOC fans in Indiana area Message-ID: Isn't this nice... suddenly 50% of the postings on BOC-l are mailed by girls. ...and newbie (newbiess??? :-) Shari has a strong share of 40% (approx.). Bravo! :-) Gays, blacks and aliens figures still unknown. Opened-minded people... 100%... Now will I go home and jiggle my infamous sword. splaba -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU Sun Mar 30 20:28:13 1997 From: c9400300 at BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU (Brad Crawford) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:28:13 +1000 Subject: BOC in Australia Message-ID: Hi to all BOC fans, As a 27yr old fan who has necer seen BOC live, even on tape, I was wondering if anyone knew whether they have any plans to tour Austrlaia. If anyone, or even band members, know could they please answer this one...I'm going out of my mind wondering what they are like live. Got all the albums, and the live ones lead me to think they kick it, but just need to see them once before I go. Thanx for your help, and later for all :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 more lives of Peace, Love and Happiness =8-) Brad Crawford, Memento Mortis, Blessed Be E-Mail: c9400300 at student.anu.edu.au "The tears of GOD flow as I bleed" - Blue Oyster Cult "Who needs a gun to feel natonal pride, Who's fundamental truths rely on genocide" - Def FX "I haven't begun to start defiling myself" - 'Doc' Holiday ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sun Mar 30 23:06:51 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:06:51 EST Subject: HW: Magic Muscle Message-ID: I have 4 releases by Magic Muscle, and here are the dates I remember: * Laughs and Thrills (live 1972 - mostly?) * The Pipe, The Roar, The Grid (demos recorded in 1973, released 1988!) * One Hundred Miles Below (live at The Moles Club, Bath UK 1988) * Gulp (studio, 1991) My favorite is definitely 'Gulp', which is similar in some ways to '100 Miles Below'. 'Laughs and Thrills' has terrible sound quality, while 'Pipe-Roar-Grid' sounds much better from the same period. Overall, Magic Muscle has a rough early-seventies kind of sound similar to what High Tide sounded like, but without the same distinctive vocalist. The music released in the late eighties has a generally better audio quality. (I actually prefer High Tide over Magic Muscle much of the time.) Not really similar to Magic Muscle or High Tide, Simon House also played with the Third Ear Band during the same time period when all three bands released their main albums. Check out 'Music from MacBeth', a soundtrack by Third Ear Band. For folks interested in Magic Muscle, also check out the band Outskirts of Infinity for some of the same musicians doing hard-rocking Hendrix-inspired sets of music. My feeble brain also seems to ring a bell regarding the band Etheral Counterbalance II having some relation to this same crew of rotating players. One last note: Crohinga Well #12 mentions an unreleased Simon House solo album called 'House of Dreams' that featured some involvement by Adrian Shaw, Rod Goodway, and Pete Pavli. This was completed around April 1992, and featured instruments by Simon, vocals by Rod. (Simon, Adrian, and Pete have all worked with HW and Bob Calvert.) Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Mar 31 02:46:05 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:46:05 -0700 Subject: BOC fans in Indiana area: Compliments & braggin' Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > Isn't this nice... suddenly 50% of the postings on BOC-l are mailed by girls. > ...and newbie (newbiess??? :-) Shari has a strong share of 40% (approx.). > Bravo! :-) Thank you! thank you! Just saying that 'cause I'm a girl of course:) > > Gays, blacks and aliens figures still unknown. curious on the alien figures-the rest are humans:)! > > Opened-minded people... 100%... Yeah! Yeah! keep it up folx!!! Sorry-I'm on an Eloy trip right now! I just recieved from my friend all of their studio (& some live!) stuff. On tape-but I can still enjoy it!! And with the possibility of a Rush show in the near future-I'm having a great time! > > Now will I go home and jiggle my infamous sword. ok:) > > splaba -Daniel Wikdahl > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) I'm curious-translation please? (if ya don't mind?) Keep rockin' Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Chris Stier writes: > I was wondering if anyone has a copy of Weird Tape 105 version A for trade. > If so, please drop me a line. Have bunches for trade. You *might* still be able to get this from Wolden Studios if you write and ask. They still had a couple left about a year or so ago. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 31 10:16:23 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:16:23 BST Subject: Hawklords books In-Reply-To: Steven Defoe's message of Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: Steven Defoe writes: > Dear Hawk-types, > > This has probably been covered (and covered) before, though I haven't seen it > mentioned in the 6 months that I've been lurking here, so > > Has anybody seen (more important, know where to find) a series of paperbook > novels by Moorcock featuring the Hawklord's characters? Done in the early > 70's I believe. I've got one dog-eared volume I found at a tag sale and it's > QUITE GOOD, but it definitely leaves one HUNGERING FOR MORE. > > Curious Steven Defoe If you've got a good 2nd hand SciFi paperback shop then look out for Michael Butterworth's name. He's the guy who wrote the books. The first one is based on an idea by Moorcock, the 2nd one Queens of Deleria is entirely by Butterworth and makes for fairly dire reading. However it's rarely found even in paperback so if you see it then definitely buy it for your collection and it's worth getting the hard back version in the Griffin package for exactly the same reason jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 31 12:10:18 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:10:18 BST Subject: Hawklords books In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: > Has anybody seen (more important, know where to find) a series of paperbook > novels by Moorcock featuring the Hawklord's characters? Done in the early > 70's I believe. I've got one dog-eared volume I found at a tag sale and it's > QUITE GOOD, but it definitely leaves one HUNGERING FOR MORE. ^^^^^^^^^^ This must be a different series to the Butterworth one then? FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Mar 31 06:29:29 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:29:29 +1000 Subject: BOC in Australia In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970331112812.006a1844@student.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Brad Crawford wrote: > Hi to all BOC fans, > As a 27yr old fan who has necer seen BOC live, even on tape, I was > wondering if anyone knew whether they have any plans to tour Austrlaia. If > anyone, or even band members, know could they please answer this one...I'm > going out of my mind wondering what they are like live. Got all the albums, > and the live ones lead me to think they kick it, but just need to see them > once before I go. > Thanx for your help, and later for all :) Brad, Ever since the "rumours"article in Hot Metal, this has been one of the talking points in the country. Basically, I have spoken to Steve Schenk and EB about it and the result is: No they ain't coming. It would require an entrepenuer (sp?) to put money UP FRONT for the band to come over. A few ideas were passed around recently, for eg. a tour with other old metal bands like UFO or Uriah Heep, in order to guarantee a better reaction. (But thank GOD we don't have to see them on the wheeze tour!). Eric says that the band would love to tour here, it is just the money thing. Anybody got a spare 20-30 grand? Troy "burnin' for them?" "(Don't fear) the Aussie Tour" "7 Screaming Aussie BOC fans" From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Mar 31 07:49:56 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:49:56 +1000 Subject: OFF: J-Cards Message-ID: Hi All, Just did a search after the posts about J-Cards .... try this page out: http://www.preferred.com/~pete/the_trade/jcard_programs/jcard_programs.htm Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM Mon Mar 31 09:09:03 1997 From: dcarlson at ONECOLOR.COM (Dane Carlson) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:09:03 -0700 Subject: FWD>eurohawkon replaced! (f Message-ID: Mail*Link? SMTP FWD>eurohawkon replaced! (fwd) From: ksb Subject: eurohawkon replaced! IMPORTANT MESSAGE! ***EUROHAWKON 1997 HAS MOVED TO HAMBURG, JUNE 13,14,15*** It has been decided that the announced 'EuroHawkon-97' that was planned for August 16:th will be cancelled in favour of the German Hawkfest that will take place outside Hamburg on June 13,14,15 featuring darXtar, The Moor w/ Nik Turner, Alan Davey's bedouins, The Rakes, Cn Rizz+ and with some luck the Hawklords themselves! Running two hawkmeetings so close to each other, both in time and distance, would be an unwise decision. We hope this won't mess up things too much for ya all, and the Hamburg meeting will definitely be something special, we look forward to meeting you there folks! For more info phone/fax evenings +49-(0)404500483, Thomas Leonhardt Best K.Soren Bengtsson, darxtar at algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~darxtar/ SBm sweden, V%xj^v%gen 55, 57010 Korsberga, Sweden From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Mar 31 11:16:04 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:16:04 CST Subject: HW: so what happened in the last week? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm back from my working vacation (which was fun and tiring, as well as profitable--I won at least $50 in Reno!), and hungry for HawkNews. Anything new and interesting happen in the last week? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From ShariHill at AOL.COM Mon Mar 31 11:34:25 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:34:25 -0500 Subject: BOC fans in Indiana area Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/97 5:17:13 PM, you wrote: > >> they're doing this is by attempting to bring in bands for live shows at a >> local club. They've snagged Stir, Darla Hood, and one of those >> aforementioned Dinosaur bands, Gene Loves Jezebel, so far this month. I'm > >Jeez, if Gene Loves Jezebel are considered a dinosaur band then I must be >waaay older than I thought. :-) Aw, Paul . . . if it's any consolation, the radio station is billing them as "comeback artists." Then again . . . that really makes them sound old, doesn't it? >;-) Shari From ShariHill at AOL.COM Mon Mar 31 11:35:26 1997 From: ShariHill at AOL.COM (Shari Hill) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:35:26 -0500 Subject: Hawkfans in Indiana? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/97 8:41:57 PM, you wrote: >This talk of BOC fans in Indiana (which is also where I'm from) makes me >wonder how many Hawkfans are in Indiana. Well, I might be . . . but I'm currently waiting for my guardian angel(s) to send me comp. tapes. (Thanks, guys!) Shari From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Mar 31 15:29:18 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:29:18 +0200 Subject: HW: so what happened in the last week? Message-ID: At 10:16 1997-03-31 CST, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm back from my working vacation (which was fun and tiring, >as well as profitable--I won at least $50 in Reno!), and >hungry for HawkNews. Anything new and interesting happen in >the last week? well, compare the versions of "Greenfly & the Rose" and "Lord of the Hornets" on Henrik's tape with the Hype/Flicknife versions - and you might have some *very* interesting news for the Common Calvert Collector... Or have I missed the existence of this alternate (demo/porta studio) versions totally..? >Allan. \\joe From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 31 17:05:18 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:05:18 -0800 Subject: OFF: Third Ear Band (was: HW: Magic Muscle) Message-ID: "Captain Cloud" mentioned: > >Not really similar to Magic Muscle or High Tide, Simon House also >played with the Third Ear Band during the same time period when >all three bands released their main albums. Check out 'Music >from MacBeth', a soundtrack by Third Ear Band. > I remember 3EB well, but never picked up any of the albums at the time (bad move I now realize, but a mate had "Alchemy" & "Macbeth" so I heard them regularly). Does anybody know if any of the albums are currently available in the UK, & if not, is there anybody here in this sceptred isle (sic) who can do me tapes??? (pwetty pweaze) ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I wanna just show you...what my politics are!" - Jack Bruce/Pete Brown "Politician" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Marxist (Groucho Tendency) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Mar 31 19:18:31 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:18:31 -0700 Subject: BOC; When are chats? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC-L; We are moving into the 90's finally!! So does anybody know when those much talked about live chats on AOL are held? Thanks.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu