From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Jun 1 01:00:16 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:00:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: e-mail clients In-Reply-To: <19970531214358227.AAA145@hawk2> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 May 1997, Ron Jennings wrote: > curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use > anything else? > this is a real question and not sarcasm. i wonder what other benefits are > out there with different browsers/readers. i have used netscape, eudora, > and this (MSIE). no differences worth noting, as far > as I could tell. Well, a big disadvantage of MS Internet Mail (the e-mail client portion of MSIE 3) as far as I'm concerned is that it runs only under Windows 95 and Windows NT. It's not much use on the DEC OSF, Sun Solaris, IBM AIX, and PC Linux systems I use most of the time. (All are unix systems; all cannot run MSIE etc.) Also (and this is probably only a problem local to me:) is that my home PC is so ancient by today's standards (a donated 386SX-16 w/ 5MB of RAM and 40MB hard disc) it doesn't have the resources necessary to run Windows 95 and MSIE, and so I don't have the option of running them (even if I had the inclination). However, the PC runs Linux fine and dandy, and so I can use Pine for e-mail (which has better functionality than MS Internet Mail anyway, albeit without all that eye candy). But then again, this is from someone who uses Lynx as their main WWW browser. :-) To answer your other question, your e-mail messages do not include the extra attachment. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ PS: I do actually like MS Internet Mail, and use it as my preferred e-mail client when using Windows 95. It does have some annoying omissions, but then again, all the MS Windows e-mail clients seem to. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 1 14:30:19 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:30:19 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: On l?r 31 maj 1997 17.42 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use > anything else? Well, I'm academic--so netscape is free--and Microsoft is, besides, and Instrument of Satan :) Cheers, Carl From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Jun 1 09:37:14 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:37:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: Rj said: >curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use >anything else? Becasue Brookes universty computer services like to pay money to netsacpe company instead of paying nothing to microsoft. Besides I use the rubbish winpost whihc doesn't allow you to reply to the reply filed although it's listed. Only to the sender who is boc-l disscussion list And you can't change the sender field either when replying. Still it's free. Timothy Langner From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 1 14:39:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:39:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW:Gig next weekend Message-ID: On l?r 31 maj 1997 17.35 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > > Anyone travelling from the Cambridge area? > > I imagine Carl and I will be heading there in company, but we have > no arrangements yet, largely because I have my Finals until the day > before and am a bit busy right now. He/I will keep you posted, I'm sure. Indeed, let it be so. Though I wouldn't mind getting into London early enough to do a spin through the record store circuit--it's been a while .... Details should be worked out. OFF: > Oh, and Carl: P. W. Edbury (ed.) - Crusade and Settlement. > Thankyou in huge huge amounts. Check out at our library is closed today, but I can pick it up early Monday morning. Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jun 1 09:45:39 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:45:39 -0400 Subject: Mailers Message-ID: Ron sez... > Have you noticed that my post as of late are a little more BOC-L friendly? I have disabled > the MIME function for ALL of my mail. And did I get a word of thanks? Noooooo..... > um thanks. i would have thanked you sooner, but since i use MSIE to read my mail, it never posed a problem for me. curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use anything else? this is a real question and not sarcasm. i wonder what other benefits are out there with different browsers/readers. i have used netscape, eudora, and this (MSIE). no differences worth noting, as far as I could tell. Rj Well, I post from my company-supplied laptop. Limited disk space and no real way of cheap, large expansion (I am well accustomed to Jaz/Zip and Bernoulli disk drives; got 'em on all of the home PC's). My company, which until we were bought out, was strictly a UNIX shop (although there were tons of Macs around) and we used our own systems to ship mail around from (I still do, on the occasion that I work from my office. Look for the ASCII "pyramid", that's when I'm in the shop...). New regime says "WE WILL USE PC'S TO COMMUNICATE, WITH W95 AND YOU WILL USE Z-MAIL TO SEND YOUR MAIL WITH!!!!". I guess I still have a bit of the UNIX-rebel in me; I shit-canned Z-mail ASAP. 'cuz MS Messaging gave me all the functionality that Z-mail does, but without being an add-on and chewing up hunks of disk space that Messaging is already allocated (same reason I use the Microsoft browser instead of the company mandated Netscape. I should add that we have business deals with both NCD and Netscape...). I guess my point is, if the programs that come FREE with W95 do what you want them to do, why use a third party add-on? (Unless you got tons of disk space and money to burn). Craig From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sun Jun 1 09:42:42 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 09:42:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: e-mail clients In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 1, 97 01:00:16 am Message-ID: Paul says-- > > curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use > > anything else? Because I don't like Microsoft's questionable marketing practices? Because there are plenty of Unix mailers that provide more functionality? Because I don't want ms-tnef nonsense appended to my epistles and wasting bandwidth? :-) > > this is a real question and not sarcasm. i wonder what other benefits are > > out there with different browsers/readers. i have used netscape, eudora, > > and this (MSIE). no differences worth noting, as far > > as I could tell. Well, they're all Windows programs, so I'm not too surprised. > It's not much use on the DEC OSF, Sun Solaris, IBM AIX, > and PC Linux systems I use most of the time. (All are unix systems; all > cannot run MSIE etc.) Also (and this is probably only a problem local > to me:) is that my home PC is so ancient by today's standards (a donated > 386SX-16 w/ 5MB of RAM and 40MB hard disc) it doesn't have the resources > necessary to run Windows 95 and MSIE, and so I don't have the option of > running them (even if I had the inclination). However, the PC runs Linux > fine and dandy, and so I can use Pine for e-mail (which has better > functionality than MS Internet Mail anyway, albeit without all that eye > candy). But then again, this is from someone who uses Lynx as their main > WWW browser. :-) Do you use Pine on a remote host (like I'm doing now (well, elm actually)), or do you have a SLIP connection, or are you using term (a pseudo-SLIP connection between two Unix machines)? You can use Netscape over a term connection (I think--last time I set up a term connection, I was using Mosaic). It worked fine, even with the crappy little 2400 modem I had then. :-) Of course, with a 40 MB hard drive, you probably don't have XWindows (though it does run nicely on a 386). :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Jun 1 14:14:45 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:14:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: MS litigation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On l?r 31 maj 1997 17.42 "Ron Jennings" wrote: > > curious, since MSIE is free, and seems to do what needs done, why use > > anything else? > > Well, I'm academic--so netscape is free--and Microsoft is, besides, and > Instrument of Satan :) Although they try their hardest to be agents of the Great Old Ones (see below)... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Govt. Mule_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. ----- Begin forwarded message ----- From: surfbaud at NO-SPAM.waverider.co.uk Tue Mar 11 13:52:46 EST 1997 This is original from me. It was originally an answer I wrote for the Internet Oracle - I've reworked it as a standalone. * * * To: Microsoft Lawyers, Inc. From: Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and Hastur, Elder Attorneys. Sirs: Our agents among the mortal herd have brought to Our attention your recent product entitled Windows '95. Therefore We now give you statutory notice of intent of proceedings to be taken against Microsoft by the Many-Angled Ones. With this suit We will show that Windows '95, and to a lesser extent all of the Microsoft range of products, infringe upon the recognised "look-and-feel" of the Elder Gods, for the following reasons: o Windows '95 is a crawling abomination from the darkest pits of Hell; o No man can be in it's presence for too long without being driven into gibbering insanity; o A cult who worship it exist in secret amongst the mortal herd; o Those who associate with it for too long develop common physical characteristics, to wit: pale, clammy skin, bulging eyes, generally unkempt physical appearance, tendency towards nocturnal living, change in diet to that which normal men do not eat (in your case tacos, burgers and Jolt Coke; in Ours, human flesh, Fungi of Yuggoth and the blood of Alien Gods); o Mysterious tomes that purport to explain this phenomenon are reputed to exist; they are bound in an unnatural substance and only available at a terrible cost to the user. o The Microsoft range of products seek to utterly dominate the world, and force all who dwell there to live in eternal damnation. As you can see, Our case is very strong, especially when you consider that most judges prefer not to have chittering things with tentacles for faces scoop out their brains and eat them. We hope that you will consider these points carefully and settle out of court, since it is not Our intention to have your senior partners spend the rest of their mercifully short lives under heavy sedation in a maximum security psychiatric hospital. After all, it was the Lords of the Outer Planes who gave humanity lawyers in the first place. Respectfully yours, pp. J. Arthur Hastur, LL.B., B.C.L, B.D * * * Dave 1997 -- Selected by Jim Griffith. MAIL your joke to funny at clari.net. Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. Remember: PLEASE spell check and proofread your jokes. You think I have time to hand-correct everybody's postings? For the full submission guidelines, see http://comedy.clari.net/rhf/ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 1 14:37:49 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:37:49 -0400 Subject: e-mail clients Message-ID: > To answer your other question, your e-mail messages do not include the > extra attachment. > obCD: Sundial, _Acid Yantra_ > > PS: I do actually like MS Internet Mail, and use it as my preferred e-mail > client when using Windows 95. It does have some annoying omissions, but > then again, all the MS Windows e-mail clients seem to. thanks for the input. i second yer obCD. the curiosity again: what has been omitted? i'd like to know if i'm missing out. :) rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 1 14:39:50 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:39:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: Well, I'm academic--so netscape is free--and Microsoft is, besides, and Instrument of Satan :) well, i bought two versions of netscape, got tired of paying full price every other quarter for the new upgrades. so i use what is free and works. if i see a really killer package elsewhere, i might buy into it. rj Cheers, Carl ---------- From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Sun Jun 1 16:06:16 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:06:16 -0400 Subject: Annotated Bibliography Message-ID: In an annotated bibliography the instructor generally expects to see a syntheisis of the material ie. thesis, how it is organized and the particular arguments of the author. Also, such isssues and methodology and sources used to support the thesis are important. Finally, depending the project, the sources usefullness to the work..... is it an invaluable source, dated, repetitious. etc? I think this last section is crucial and students often neglect to mention why they included a particular source. Good Luck, Teri From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 2 13:27:47 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:27:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: New mailing list Message-ID: Hey, You like electronic music made by those that aren't the "big names" (i.e. Tangerine Dream, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, etc) and want a place to discuss it? Well, there is a brand-new mailing list that you might be interested in. Point your browser to: http://www.aracnet.com/~elana/goldtri.html and see if you want to join up. See ya' there! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 2 13:40:07 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:40:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: News from the Eloy mailing list (CD's outta print) Message-ID: For those of you that are contemplating buying that Eloy CD but haven't yet, READ THIS! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: eloy mailing list[SMTP:eloy at cs.uwp.edu] Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 8:44 AM To: eloy at cs.uwp.edu Subject: NEWS 6/97 Really-From: "Robin Stierkat" NEWS##NEWS##NEWS##NEWS##NEWS##NEWS## Issue 6/97 - - Eloy-titles not longer available! The following CDs are not longer available from EMI: Inside Floating Power and the passion Dawn Live Colours Planets Rarities (Performance):reissued by LASERLIGHT We will see what the future brings on that. Perhaps all the titles will be reissued by another company. If you can get the above mentioned titles in your local shops - buy them! All the best, Robin, Volker and Monika. ....the act of uppermost magic has begun impulses working on and on movement here and there vibrations move the atmosphere! e-Mail: rstierka at mizar.rz.uni-ulm.de Eloy: http://www.phil.uni-sb.de/Musik/ProgTeam/Eloy/index.html private: http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rstierka/ From furstd at BOYSTOWN.ORG Mon Jun 2 15:07:43 1997 From: furstd at BOYSTOWN.ORG (Dave Furst) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:07:43 -0500 Subject: Summer Daze '97 in Peoria, IL Message-ID: Hi all. I grew up in central Illinois, in and near Peoria. Drove back friday for a visit and on the way into town heard an advert for the concert, that nite, at the civic center. Counting lucky stars and a chance to ditch the relatives I ran downtown to get a ticket for the show. The whole evening was pretty good. Course BOC was the best, for me. When they started I wound my way up to in front of the stage. Very good show - only 1 new song - Harvest Moon - it was quite good- though I wish I had the lyric sheet with me. I don't remember all the tunes as I forgot a pen, but to the best of my recollection: Before the Kiss (yeah! nice surprise) ETI Godzilla Reaper Burnin for You Harvest Moon. EB talked but didn't sing much at all. Mostly Smilin' Buck D. on vocals. No keyboards - just Allen on guitar lurking in the background. BD was all smiles - having a great time by the looks of it. Did notice some younger fans (much) really into BOC & dancin' up a storm. Course Central Illinois always seemed to be big time BOC country. Now the best news yet - I already had tickets to see the tour this Friday June 6, outside Omaha/Council Bluffs. And no, once was not enough!! I think Peoria may have been the first show of the tour. Some good BOC t-shirts for sale - 25th anniversary on back and On=tour Forever graphic with me-262 plane on the front. I'll write more as I or if I remember more from last friday nite. Dave From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon Jun 2 20:59:44 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:59:44 +0200 Subject: a new Calvert page: White Dynasty Message-ID: hi, the latest update on 'the spirit of the p/age' - the Calvert site an illustrated version of his poem WHITE DYNASTY - incl. a new pic of R.C. to be found @: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/wowhite.htm (everyone who'll attend the Hamburg Hawkfest gig will have the chance to hear it there as well...) and, finally, there's also what you've been all waiting for: a disclaimer PLUS some infos on the ideal setup to eXplore the spirit of the p/age (colours, fonts etc....) to be found @: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/disc.htm knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 3 02:05:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:05:16 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: sHEAVY Message-ID: There is now a WWW site for Canadian doom band sHEAVY: http://www3.nf.sympatico.ca/nayad/ Cheers, Carl From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jun 3 04:29:42 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 02:29:42 -0600 Subject: Off: Eloy list Message-ID: Hi I guess I didn't subscribe right to the Eloy Mailing list-will someone please send me the address for that so I can? Thanx! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On 3 Jun 97 at 2:29, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Hi > I guess I didn't subscribe right to the Eloy Mailing list-will someone > please send me the address for that so I can? I can't remember exactly how I subscribed, but the list is at eloy at cs.uwp.edu. Try mailing it - it will probably return a "how to subscribe" message. If not, try mailing Robin Stierkat at rstierka at mizar.rz.uni-ulm.de - he maintains it Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jun 3 08:40:37 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:40:37 +0200 Subject: BOC: Summer Daze Message-ID: Hi Is the Summer Daze CD going to be available in Europe? I've read somewhere that the CD will be sold at the concerts only... If that's the case... could someone buy (...or steal if you want to... :-) an extra copy? Or maybe 20 copies... 'cause I don't think I'm the only European on BOC-l who wants this piece. mvh -Daniel ps Spritfest ikv?ll! Nu skiter jag i mitt j?vla ex-jobb ? super till det ist?llet! :-) ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 3 08:49:46 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:49:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summer Daze Message-ID: >Hi > >Is the Summer Daze CD going to be available in Europe? >I've read somewhere that the CD will be sold at the concerts only... No, it is available in stores... Though the local chain store here only had one. In theory other stores around here might have some, I'll check... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 3 11:11:51 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:11:51 PDT Subject: Off: Eloy list In-Reply-To: <3393D5F6.1387@micron.net>; from "Cliff and Pam Wheaton" at Jun 3, 97 2:29 am Message-ID: You need to send an e-mail message to majordomo at cs.uwp.edu with the body of the message reading "subscribe eloy" or "eloy-digest". You should receive a message back, telling you if you were sucessful or not. Craig > > Hi > I guess I didn't subscribe right to the Eloy Mailing list-will someone > please send me the address for that so I can? > > Thanx! > Pam > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: > cwheaton at micron.net > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton > *************************************************************************= > *********** > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jun 3 12:02:41 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:02:41 -0600 Subject: Off: Eloy list Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > You need to send an e-mail message to majordomo at cs.uwp.edu with the > body of the message reading "subscribe eloy" or "eloy-digest". You > should receive a message back, telling you if you were sucessful or > not. > > Craig > > > > Hi > > I guess I didn't subscribe right to the Eloy Mailing list-will someone > > please send me the address for that so I can? > > > > Thanx! > > Pam > > -- > > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > > 0 0 E-mail: > > cwheaton at micron.net > > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton > > *************************************************************************= > > *********** > > > > -- > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 > -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 thanks!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Sonique wrote: > > On 3 Jun 97 at 2:29, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > Hi > > I guess I didn't subscribe right to the Eloy Mailing list-will someone > > please send me the address for that so I can? > > I can't remember exactly how I subscribed, but the list is at > eloy at cs.uwp.edu. Try mailing it - it will probably return a "how to > subscribe" message. If not, try mailing Robin Stierkat at > rstierka at mizar.rz.uni-ulm.de - he maintains it > > Sonique thank you!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace 1. Congradulations Craig. Soon my friend your CD shopping days will be over. Estimate 14-15 years from now. 8>) 2. Robin, did BOC play only 6 songs or are those the only ones you can recall? I hope they get more time than that as the tour goes on. 3. Minor BOC content: I love Queensryche's new album Hear in the Now Frontier (Martin P. what say you?) The song spOOL puts me in the mind of what a collboration of BOC and King's X would sound like. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L in the player - Hawkwind Live '79 From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 3 17:27:04 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:27:04 -0400 Subject: CD's for sale Message-ID: I need to get rid of some CD's...if anyone wants any of the following (I know some of them are pretty bad), email me. you name the price/trade -Nuclear Waste (in metal holder), w/Nik Turner, Sting, Hillage, etc. -Todd Rundgren, _No World Order_ -Return To FOrever, _MusicMagic_ -Intensive Care Unit (not ICU), _Defy_ -Utopia, _Ra_ -Beastie Boys, _the In Sound From Way Out_ -Rick Wakeman, _Journey To the Center of the Earth_ -Amon Duul, _Die Losung_ -Blind Faith, _same_ -BOC, _Career of Evil_ -Mahavishnu Orchestra, _Apocalypse_ -Led Zeppelin, _IV_ -Led Zeppelin, _same_ -Magma, _Magma Live_ -Magma, _Udu Wudu_ -Chrome, _Half Machine Lip Moves/Alien Planetscapes_ -Hawkwind, _ISTBOTFTBD_ -Hawkwind, _Church Of Hawkwind_ -Hawkwind, _Quark Strangeness and Charm_ EP -Psychedelic Warriors, _White Zone_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 4 08:27:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:27:20 EDT Subject: Congrads C. Shipley/Summerdaze/Minor BOC Content Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > 3. Minor BOC content: I love Queensryche's new album Hear in the Now > Frontier (Martin P. what say you?) The song spOOL puts me in the mind of > what a collboration of BOC and King's X would sound like. > > > L8er > > lil' ab > AB, Heard Ty Tabor's new disc yet? theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 4 09:13:25 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:13:25 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 8th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: _Time Out_ says in its gig listings: "Lloyd-Langton plays an acoustic set himself and then joins his Hawkwind pals, for the first time together since 1990". 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" `7\&5?YQZ@'*49P$)A', (`"O0R20 at 97 A2BTM M(446PEYU`R `P ,0&H Z)X(NQD<#$!$`;4!B&6$JX.L$H!% + at 6@;2:3+A 1 M8!8[`S MU6@"0' Z+Y0O=S'P+B]\+WX`"Z M"" &``````# ````````1@`````WA0```0````$`````````'@`O@ @@!@`` M````P ```````$8`````.(4```$````!`````````!X`/0`!````!0```%)% 0.B ``````P`--/TW``"T#X4` ` end From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Jun 4 09:33:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:33:15 +0100 Subject: HW: live soon Message-ID: >_Time Out_ says in its gig listings: "Lloyd-Langton plays an acoustic set >himself and then joins his Hawkwind pals, for the first time together since >1990". Can someone make sure they tape this gig because I can't make it. (to far away from any useful trains to my part of the world). As for songs I'd love to heard Huw do Moonglum my favourit track by him. Just love the tune to it. Amy be they will do Take what you come for becuase that hasn't been done in a while. Of course what huw should really do is play on a track which was wirtten or performed once he left. Be more interesting. And I hope Jerry continues to play when he palys with hawkwind and also love to heard jerry on lead guitar at same time as huw. Brock on guitar and keyboards with ron on bass and sinign and richard on drums. Be great 3 guitars + keyboards and ron singing. Timothy Langner From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 4 09:33:39 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:33:39 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 7th Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: <01BC70F1.94B43AC0@host5-99-46-214.btinternet.com> Message-ID: I thought of the rattle of trains, and I thought of the time... On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > _Time Out_ says in its gig listings: "Lloyd-Langton plays an acoustic set > himself and then joins his Hawkwind pals, for the first time together since > 1990". > > Well, I haven't heard "Rocky Paths" in a few years... :) Yes! That's what we wanted to hear! Are there any arrangments yet? Neither of the people I know who are wise in the ways of Blackheath have replied to me yet, so if no-one else has any better ideas how about the Railway Tavern, an hour before it starts? Have we ascertained when that actually is, by the way? 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Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 4 10:08:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:08:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: I also got the Summerdaze CD. I like it. Of course, the BOC stuff is great (Power Underneath Despair sounds great, and while Reaper/Godzilla I have more than enough of, the versions on here are decent), and the non-BOC stuff is really good listening as well. Some notes: I believe Power Underneath Despair was recorded in 1994, which would be the Bloom/Dharma/Lanier/Rogers/Burgi lineup. The live tracks were done in 1992 during a brief hiatus by Chuck Burgi, so it was Bloom/Dharma/Lanier/Rogers/Micelli. The picture shown in the liner notes is in fact Bloom/Dharma/Lanier/Rogers/Burgi lineup. Despite the fact that neither Danny Miranda or Bobby Rondinelli played on these tracks (not unless Power Underneath Despair was actually re-recorded in 1996 which would have Danny's bass), they are listed in the liner notes as part of the line-up. There is no mention of Burgi, Micelli, or Rogers. Finally, the live tracks I believe are from the 6/6/92 Moscow Idaho show, although Bloom says "citizens of Montana" at one point (of course, the 2 states border eachother). Eagerly anticipating "the Wheel" . . . John PS: To the person (sorry I can't remember who) who was getting a recording of the Moscow show, please send me e-mail. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 4 10:09:00 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:09:00 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 7th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: > Have we ascertained when that actually is, by the way? Jazza TO also says 6pm - so if we meet at 5:30, and we're early, well I guess wel'll just have to have some more beers. Bummer. >Oh, and, Andy - any chance you can switch this off for list postings? >> begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT Bollocks, thought I had - is this better? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2093 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jun 4 12:58:48 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:58:48 -0600 Subject: Off: Al Stewart Message-ID: Hi all! My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in advance:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Try Best Buy or Circuit City They have all Al Stewart's music Tom Tully packaging Graphics Mgr. Ge Lighting D.C. Phone # 346-266-3303 D.C. Fax # 346-266-3133 E Mail - tully at linelnt1.light.ge.com > ---------- > From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton[SMTP:cwheaton at MICRON.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 1997 12:58 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Off: Al Stewart > > Hi all! > My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the > Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in > advance:) > Pam > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world > peace > 0 0 E-mail: > cwheaton at micron.net > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton > ********************************************************************** > ************** > From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jun 4 15:19:23 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:19:23 -0600 Subject: Al Stewart Message-ID: Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX) wrote: > > Try Best Buy or Circuit City They have all Al Stewart's music Small problem here-guy-neither of those stores are even in this area:( Appreciate the suggestion, tho! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace ; from "Cliff and Pam Wheaton" at Jun 4, 97 10:58 am Message-ID: >My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the >Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in >advance:) AFAIK, 1989's _The Last Days of the Century_ went out of print soon after it was released because the label it came out (Enigma) on went belly-up. Too bad, too, because it is one of my favorite AS CDs. The Al Stewart discog at www.fish.com/music/al_stewart lists these releases of this fine album: Year Country Label Catalog No. Formats Notes 1988 UK Enigma ENVLP 505 LP 1988 UK Enigma TCENV 505 Cass 1988 UK Enigma CDENV 505 CD 1988 USA Enigma D1-73316 LP 1988 USA Enigma D2-73316 CD 1988 USA Enigma D4-73316 Cass 1988 USA Enigma 7-73316-9 DAT 1988 NZ Enigma CDLIB 5154 CD I got my copy (a cut-out) in 1993 from ranjit at netcom.com, and it was his last one. I'd suggest scouring the used bins, or taking out your magnifying glass and examining the lists in Goldmine magazine. :) MWood NP: _Mellom Oss_ - Kerrs Pink (heartily recommended to Camel fans) From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Wed Jun 4 15:55:01 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:55:01 +0400 Subject: OFF: events in Sweden Message-ID: Hi! Maybe I'll be in Stockholm at the second half of June; so does anyone here know about some interesting concerts there worth visiting? Any advice will be much appreciated :) Yuri From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 4 16:09:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:09:31 -0400 Subject: Al Stewart Message-ID: Hi all! My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in advance:) Pam i don't know where to get the disc, and im keeping my copy. perhaps Tower still has copies? anyway, i do have it on vinyl, and will part with that.... great album, BTW. "eyes of nostrodamus" rules. manfred mann's cover isn't bad either. rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jun 4 18:38:55 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:38:55 -0600 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD In-Reply-To: <199706041408.KAA13670@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Yeah, I love Power Underneath Dispair, and had the same question as you, which is WHEN was this version recorded??? However, in my opinion, Pat Travers blows them all away on this CD; listen to his conviction as he sings. This white boy has got the blues! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 4 19:13:23 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:13:23 +0100 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: I see that Music Boulevard (http://www.musicblvd.com) are listing this at $12.99, so Europeans (and Aussies too!) can order it from them... but for one new track? Guess I'm not a "true fan" :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 4 20:06:31 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:06:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: MS litigation Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-01 14:21:51 EDT, you write: << This is original from me. It was originally an answer I wrote for the Internet Oracle - I've reworked it as a standalone. * * * To: Microsoft Lawyers, Inc. From: Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and Hastur, Elder Attorneys. Sirs: Our agents among the mortal herd...... <> .....it was the Lords of the Outer Planes who gave humanity lawyers in the first place. Respectfully yours, pp. J. Arthur Hastur, LL.B., B.C.L, B.D * * * >> Hmmm... maybe this would have been better placed under our earlier discussion of H.P. Lovecraft (the band AND the author)! Tony From des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET Wed Jun 4 22:09:32 1997 From: des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:09:32 -0400 Subject: OFF:Darkside of the rainbow Message-ID: Has anyone else heard about the syncronicity (sp) that occurs when you play Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album in conjunction with The Wizard Of Oz movie (with the sound off)? My roomate and I tried this for ourselves last night and it works out really well. The trick is to start the music right after the 3rd roar of the MGM lion. It's a nice breath of air for both the album and the film. --Eric PS. Juat to keep BOC related I am thinking doing Tyranny and Mutation to the first Indiana Jones movie. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 5 05:26:08 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 03:26:08 -0600 Subject: Al Stewart Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > Hi all! > My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the > Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in > advance:) > Pam > > i don't know where to get the disc, and im keeping my copy. perhaps Tower > still has copies? > anyway, i do have it on vinyl, and will part with that.... > > great album, BTW. "eyes of nostrodamus" rules. manfred mann's cover isn't > bad either. > > rj well, thanx for the thought!! My friend thinks that because he has ALL the rest on CD, he oughta have this one too:) I love teasing him about this, BTW:) Thanx anyhow!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace It appears that the album Red Shift by Harvey Bainbridge does exist (it dropped thro' my door this morning) and Mr Bainbridge it seems is currently in the lead in the wierd album title track of the year competition (entries 1 so far!), track 2 reads: "And he smoked his pipe and talked to them till the last whiff and then his head disappeared in a cloud" All subsequent Codex entries will be abbreviated....! Haven't listened to the album yet so have no idea what it's like. Produced by Taste records 1996 (Taste 65 CD) Tel: 0181 806 8494 fax 0181 806 5557. More later. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 5 06:46:06 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:46:06 +0100 Subject: HW: (-ish) Harvey Bainbridge Message-ID: >track 2 reads: "And he smoked his >pipe and talked to them till the last whiff and then his head >disappeared in a cloud" Is that a quotation from Tolkien? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 5 08:33:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:33:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: >one new track? Guess I'm not a "true fan" :) Aw c'mon Andy - go for it! ;-) Besides, some of us on BOC-L kept saying we'd all have plenty to talk about BOC-wise once some new material came out. Well, here we have the first new BOC tune on record in the last 4 or 5 years (since Bad Channels) so we've finally got something to talk about! Personally, I like the new tune (Power Underneath Despair) a lot. It's fairly heavy, has an interesting use of an odd meter during the chorus (it would have been easy to have kept the meter even, but a nice sense of "urgency" is created by using it), and while many of us have complained about John Shirley's lyrics in the past (Bad Channels tunes, See You in Black), these seem to have a bit more content to them. Will this song be a hit? Well, it doesn't sound anything like what's being played on the radio these days (which in itself is a good thing, since a lot of what is popular on the radio these days sucks), so I doubt it. But, for anyone who wants to know if BOC can still rock, this song proves it. Johnm ^-- oops From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 5 08:40:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:40:00 -0400 Subject: OFF:Darkside of the rainbow Message-ID: I haven't tried this, but I heard it mentioned on the radio. 2 DJ's at Boston-area rock station WAAF apparently talked about this a year or so ago, and recently mentioned that eMpTVy reported it as well. I don't know if/when I'll get to try this (I've got Dark Side of the Moon on CD, but don't own a copy of the Wizard of Oz - maybe I'll have to rent it sometime), but does anyone know of any place (on the web?) that mentions all the similarities? The DJ's mentioned several spots in the movie where the music lines up perfectly with the film (I think one spot was when Dorothy listens for the Tinman's heart and you hear a heartbeat on the album (I forget the track). Sounds really wacky - I think Dark Side of the Moon was sort of Pink Floyd's attempt at doing the next "Sgt. Pepper" and getting over-indulgent in the studio with effects (as far as SONG content goes, it seems like that takes something of a backseat to all the effects used on the album) - it would be interesting to me to find that there was a deeper plan behind all of what they did. John From des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET Thu Jun 5 09:00:20 1997 From: des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET (Eric Falk) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:00:20 -0400 Subject: OFF:Darkside of the rainbow In-Reply-To: <199706051240.IAA13475@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz " at Jun 5, 97 08:40:00 am Message-ID: > > I haven't tried this, but I heard it mentioned on the radio. 2 DJ's at > Boston-area rock station WAAF apparently talked about this a year or so > ago, and recently mentioned that eMpTVy reported it as well. > > I don't know if/when I'll get to try this (I've got Dark Side of the > Moon on CD, but don't own a copy of the Wizard of Oz - maybe I'll have > to rent it sometime), but does anyone know of any place (on the web?) > that mentions all the similarities? The DJ's mentioned several spots > in the movie where the music lines up perfectly with the film (I think > one spot was when Dorothy listens for the Tinman's heart and you hear > a heartbeat on the album (I forget the track). I beleive this is the address to thesite that I found the info on. It doesn't talk much about other album/movie combinations though, Pink Floyd's Meddle album and Fantasia I think is about it, but just about anything works with Fantasia. http://www.chelmsford.com/home/aharm/woodsotm.html > > Sounds really wacky - I think Dark Side of the Moon was sort of Pink > Floyd's attempt at doing the next "Sgt. Pepper" and getting over-indulgent > in the studio with effects (as far as SONG content goes, it seems like > that takes something of a backseat to all the effects used on the album) - > it would be interesting to me to find that there was a deeper plan behind > all of what they did. > > John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 5 09:18:32 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: > Aw c'mon Andy - go for it! ;-) Well, once upon a time I would have... But "Power..."'s supposed to be on the new album, isn't it? I've waited long enough for that, I reckon I can wait a bit more! :) The real sticking point, I must admit, is the notion of forking out good money for the likes of Steppenwolf and (gack!) Foghat... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 5 09:19:07 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:19:07 +0100 Subject: OFF:Darkside of the rainbow Message-ID: >but does anyone know of any place (on the web?) >that mentions all the similarities? There was an item in the (London) Times a couple of weeks ago, which went into some depth - it might be still on their site (http://www.the-times.co.uk). During the Poland-England game, the Channel 5 commentary was so crap that I turned it down and played a Radio Birdman album instead. And just as "Hit Them Again" started, Teddy Sheringham made it 2-0! Spooky, or what! (I just made that up.) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 5 09:41:28 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:41:28 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 7th Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: <01BC70F9.52920480@host5-99-53-232.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > TO also says 6pm - so if we meet at 5:30, and we're early, well I guess wel'll just have to have some more beers. Bummer. Okay, so is that a plan? The Railway tavern at 5:30? I suggest we assume so unless anyone has any real problem with it. Hurrah! I have just discovered I will have to transcribe two of my Finals papers on Saturday on the grounds of illegibility, but I'll just have to do it _fast_... Oh, and Andy, yes, that mailset is much nicer. Yours, Jon /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 5 09:44:18 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:44:18 -0600 Subject: Off; Ty Tabor Message-ID: >AB, >Heard Ty Tabor's new disc yet? >theo No, but I have heard many good things about it. He also did a project with the drummer for Loudness and continues to be involved with Velvet Hammer (great melodic rock band). Ty never stops working. Hopping to get a copy of his cd soon. Does your band do any KX covers? If not you may want to try Lost In Germany, great guitar work. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L In the player - Hear in the Now Frontier, Queensryche From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 5 10:19:41 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:19:41 +0100 Subject: HW: On the 7th Day of Forever.... Message-ID: > Okay, so is that a plan? The Railway tavern at 5:30? Sure looks like a plan to me! > I have just discovered I will have to transcribe two of my Finals >papers on Saturday on the grounds of illegibility, but I'll just have to >do it _fast_... If they're anything like *my* finals papers were, that won't take long! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jun 5 10:08:00 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:08:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD In-Reply-To: <01BC71BB.73780600@host5-99-51-221.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > The real sticking point, I must admit, is the notion of forking out good > money for the likes of Steppenwolf and (gack!) Foghat... I can't believe Foghat are still going. The last time I saw them was supporting Captain Beefheart in 1972, and they didn't look as if they had much of a future then! - Mike Godwin PS OK, maybe it was early '73... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 5 15:55:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:55:42 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: (-ish) Harvey Bainbridge Message-ID: On tor 5 jun 1997 11.46 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > >track 2 reads: "And he smoked his > >pipe and talked to them till the last whiff and then his head > >disappeared in a cloud" > > Is that a quotation from Tolkien? Ah, no. Not as far as I recall. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 5 11:02:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:02:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: >Well, once upon a time I would have... But "Power..."'s supposed to be on the new album, isn't it? I've waited long enough for that, I reckon I can wait a bit more! :) Well, you know what they say about a bird in the hand... I mean, I really am looking forward to the day when "the Wheel" will be released, but since it's been pushed back so many times, who really knows how much "a bit more" will be. I have an idea to get all of the "Ezekiel's Wheel" tracks released: Just do this Summerdaze tour every year for the next 10 years, releasing an album which has one new BOC track and 2 live ones. There are suppossed to be 10 tracks on "Ezekiel's Wheel", and hey, at least we'll be assured of one new track each year... ;-) But seriously, I do think the album will be released within a year, and maybe the Summerdaze tour/CD will even spark some interest in giving BOC that elusive distribution deal. >he real sticking point, I must admit, is the notion of forking out good money for the likes of Steppenwolf and (gack!) Foghat... Well, I'm only familiar with the "hits" of the other bands, but I did find their stuff on the Summerdaze CD listenable. John From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Thu Jun 5 11:06:43 1997 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:06:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: > From: M R Godwin > > I can't believe Foghat are still going. The last time I saw them was > supporting Captain Beefheart in 1972, and they didn't look as if they had > much of a future then! > Yea, I saw them two years ago. If you close your eyes you'd be hard pressed to tell 23 years had gone by. They still play the same songs, same way. It's fitting they're playing with BOC. RR From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 5 11:15:43 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:15:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: > From: Ross Reyes > > From: M R Godwin > > > > I can't believe Foghat are still going. The last time I saw them was > > supporting Captain Beefheart in 1972, and they didn't look as if they had > > much of a future then! > > > > Yea, I saw them two years ago. If you close your eyes you'd be hard > pressed to tell 23 years had gone by. They still play the same > songs, same way. It's fitting they're playing with BOC. > > RR Can't speak for Foghat, but BD's playing the best gtr of his career right now. 1 out of 3 (OC) ain't the best, but it's enough for me... theo From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Jun 5 12:53:54 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:53:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: John, Great Review ! You convinced me..off to the local CD shop, supposse I'll have to special order the Summer Daze CD. Living so close to Seattle, you can imagine the weird looks and wisecracks I am victim to, when I buy/order BOC stuff, or any non-grunge material. Just give me a flannel shirt and and some old golf sweater with moth holes in it before I go to the CD store. Just kidding. Teri From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 5 18:11:30 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:11:30 BST Subject: HW: On the 3rd Day of Forever.... In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:41:28 +0100 Message-ID: On the 6th day of forever I heard a man offering me a ticket at a price I could not refuse On the 5th day of forever I thought of the coloured lights of Space Ritual, the fire show of Alien On the 4th day of forever I could remember no track that I did not love On the 3rd day of forever I thought of the sun through a window and I thought of a train leaving..... Jon Jarrett writes: > On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > TO also says 6pm - so if we meet at 5:30, and we're early, well I guess wel'll just have to have some more beers. Bummer. > > Okay, so is that a plan? The Railway tavern at 5:30? I suggest we > assume so unless anyone has any real problem with it. Hurrah! Sounds good. The station is right in the middle of Blackheath village and the Railway Tavern is indeed likely to be virtually next door to it! (Tho' I'm sorta intrigued by the name given that it's supposed to be "one of the oldest buildings in Blackheath village" - either it's been renamed or Blackheath Village is a lot more recent that I was assuming). Blackheath Concert Halls are just south of the station at the south end of the village (junction of Blackheath Park, Lee Road, Lee Terrace, beside a roundabout) - just two minutes walk from the Station. This is taken from one of the brochures: "How to get to the halls By Train It will take you under 20 minutes from Central London and from Dartford. Trains leave Charing Cross, Waterloo East and London Bridge (Mon-Fri and weekends), from Victoria (Mon-Sat) and from Cannon Street (Mon-Fri). By Car The A2 or the South Circular Road provide quick and easy access to the village. Easy parking is available at nearby public car parks, behind the Railway Station and Post Office. By Bus Bus numbers 54, 89, 108, 202 and 306 stop in Blackheath Village" > I have just discovered I will have to transcribe two of my Finals > papers on Saturday on the grounds of illegibility, but I'll just have to > do it _fast_... yep - definitely the sort of thing you should do *before* rather than after a Hawkwind gig 8-) Good luck! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 5 13:21:22 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:21:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: >>one new track? Guess I'm not a "true fan" :) >Personally, I like the new tune (Power Underneath Despair) a lot. It's >fairly heavy, has an interesting use of an odd meter during the chorus >(it would have been easy to have kept the meter even, but a nice sense >of "urgency" is created by using it), and while many of us have complained >about John Shirley's lyrics in the past (Bad Channels tunes, See You in >Black), these seem to have a bit more content to them. Will this song >be a hit? Well, it doesn't sound anything like what's being played on >the radio these days (which in itself is a good thing, since a lot of >what is popular on the radio these days sucks), so I doubt it. But, for >anyone who wants to know if BOC can still rock, this song proves it. I agree on this. If this is what they are capable of, I think they could've put more new stuff on the album. Ironically, I saw posts on alt.music.blueoystercult criticizing the wisdom of putting this track being put on the CD, saying they should have used only tunes where Buck sings if Eric can't sing them on the tour... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jun 5 23:23:43 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:23:43 -0400 Subject: Off: David Roter gig in NYC this Saturday Message-ID: I'll be playing with David Roter this Saturday night at Arlene's Grocery in lower Manhattan around 11PM. Admission is free, no cover and we will be playing at least one BOC song that David wrote. Al From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 6 04:01:10 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:01:10 +0100 Subject: HW:Blackheath gig Message-ID: As I have never met any of the list members before, how will I recognise any of you at the Blackheath gig? Mike P. From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jun 6 04:10:23 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:10:23 PDT Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues Message-ID: There I was, all wound up, ready to belatedly celebrate my birthday in the wild beyond, and maybe put some faces to the names on this list... But an old friend of the "domestic management" has a personal crisis, so I have to be on kid-patrol all weekend AAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! Have a good one every body. ChrisW "DO NOT PANIC... Think only of yourself" ObConsolationCD: Sign of Four - Derek Bailey, Pat Metheny, Greg Bendian, Paul Wertico --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 09:59:35 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:59:35 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:10:23 PDT Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > There I was, all wound up, ready to belatedly celebrate my birthday in > the wild beyond, and maybe put some faces to the names on this list... > > But an old friend of the "domestic management" has a personal crisis, so > I have to be on kid-patrol all weekend AAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! Heck - bring it along too... you have to start 'em young 8-) jill obNotReallyRecommendedCD> Red Shift, Harvey Bainbridge ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 6 05:04:37 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:04:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath gig Message-ID: Well, there is a photo of me on my web page... And I will wear my Radio Birdman hat! (Black with a red logo.) More usefully, perhaps, there'll probably be a few boc-l t-shirts in evidence. Also, you can spot Mike W because he's about eight feet tall, and you can recognise Carl because he hasn't got the dodgy beard any more! (I hope! :) Somehow, though, you always seem to meet OK - even when meeting Sonique at the Ramones gig: "I'll be wearing blue jeans and a black leather jacket," was his helpful description! So were 4,000 other people... PS Chris - why not bring the kids along??? :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 6 06:17:04 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 06:17:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > > There I was, all wound up, ready to belatedly celebrate my birthday in > the wild beyond, and maybe put some faces to the names on this list... > > But an old friend of the "domestic management" has a personal crisis, so > I have to be on kid-patrol all weekend AAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! > > Have a good one every body. > take them with you. tie them at the curb if ya have to. ;) rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 6 04:56:05 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:56:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues In-Reply-To: <199706060810.BAA11501@f48.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <199706060810.BAA11501 at f48.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >There I was, all wound up, ready to belatedly celebrate my birthday in >the wild beyond, and maybe put some faces to the names on this list... > >But an old friend of the "domestic management" has a personal crisis, so >I have to be on kid-patrol all weekend AAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! > >Have a good one every body. > >ChrisW > I'm still up in the air after busting a rib playing with my 5 year old son. What I learned is this. If you are playing at being hypnotised and are hopping round the living room, pretending to be a chicken - keep your eyes open! Maybe see you tomorrow, if I can breathe without stabbing pains! -- Jon Browne (d'oh!) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 6 05:02:52 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:02:52 +0100 Subject: HW: (-ish) Harvey Bainbridge In-Reply-To: <9706051115.aa01006@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706051115.aa01006 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >It appears that the album Red Shift by Harvey Bainbridge does exist >(it dropped thro' my door this morning) and Mr Bainbridge it seems is >currently in the lead in the wierd album title track of the year >competition (entries 1 so far!), track 2 reads: "And he smoked his >pipe and talked to them till the last whiff and then his head >disappeared in a cloud" > Bravo, Harvey, who trounces Julian Cope into second place with his sterling effort "The Indians Worship Him, But He Hurries On" from his "Rite" album..... BTW anyone visited Julian's new HeadHeritage Website yet? It's excellent, with QT movies to D/L, and the latest on his field guide to Stone Cirles, Temples etc of Britain, the Modern Antiquarian. Hey, Dale, any danger of any .avi's or .mov's at HW.com soon? -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 13:41:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:41:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath gig Message-ID: On fre 6 jun 1997 10.04 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > Well, there is a photo of me on my web page... And I will wear my Radio > Birdman hat! (Black with a red logo.) Ah! Behold! This was getting to be a problem, so I created a new page on my web site which contains compleat contact info, how to find the building I live in, and pictures of myself as well. > More usefully, perhaps, there'll probably be a few boc-l t-shirts in > evidence. Also, you can spot Mike W because he's about eight feet tall, > and you can recognise Carl because he hasn't got the dodgy beard any > more! (I hope! :) Sorry, Andy--as I type, I still have it. I've been too lazy to shave it off since the filming, but's its days are numbered. Dunno whether I'll get around to shaving before or after the gig, so just incase there are photos of both the bearded Carl and non-bearded Carl. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 6 08:49:22 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:49:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath gig Message-ID: > Sorry, Andy--as I type, I still have it. I've been too lazy to shave >it off since the filming, but's its days are numbered. Dunno whether I'll >get around to shaving before or after the gig, so just incase there are >photos of both the bearded Carl and non-bearded Carl. Call that clean-shaven? :))) Anyway, the beard spoils your Peter Steele impression... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 6 08:56:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:56:05 +0100 Subject: HW: (-ish) Harvey Bainbridge Message-ID: >BTW anyone visited Julian's new HeadHeritage Website yet? I have now! It's excellent! And it's at http://www.headheritage.co.uk! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 6 09:34:08 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:34:08 +1000 Subject: HW: Blackheath gig In-Reply-To: <01BC7261.26D7C3C0@host5-99-51-58.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 6 Jun 97 at 10:04, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Somehow, though, you always seem to meet OK - even when meeting Sonique at > the Ramones gig: "I'll be wearing blue jeans and a black leather jacket," > was his helpful description! So were 4,000 other people... It worked didn't it? (or was it the dazed look on the poor lost Aussie's face?) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 14:40:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:40:54 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath gig Message-ID: On fre 6 jun 1997 13.49 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > Dunno whether I'll > >get around to shaving before or after the gig, so just incase there are > >photos of both the bearded Carl and non-bearded Carl. > > Call that clean-shaven? :))) About as clean as it gets ;) > Anyway, the beard spoils your Peter Steele impression... Gosh, well, we can't have that! On the other hand, the concept of a bearded Peter Steele is really quite frightening. Cheers, Carl ObTrack: "Black Sabbath", Type O Negative ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 6 05:28:36 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:28:36 +0100 Subject: HW:Blackheath gig In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jun 1997 09:01:10 BST." <01BC7258.2E6523C0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: > As I have never met any of the list members before, how will I recognise any of you at the Blackheath gig? > > Mike P. Guess I better wear one of the famed BOC-L Nethawks t-shirts Tim From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jun 6 13:41:56 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:41:56 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze Message-ID: Summerdaze appearance in my neighborhood shows all tickets (seating and lawn) for $15. May change my mind and drive the thirty plus miles just to see the Oysters at a large venue. Nice review John, PUD sounds pretty good. I think this bodes well for EW. I have heard one-half of these songs live; the other five will really have to blow chunks to fall to the level of Club Ninja. As for the rest of the CD hard to believe there are no Foghat fans on BOC-L. In there heyday they were as loud and hardrocking as anybody. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L In the player - Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush, Double Live From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 6 14:06:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:06:11 EDT Subject: Summerdaze Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Summerdaze appearance in my neighborhood shows all tickets (seating and > lawn) for $15. May change my mind and drive the thirty plus miles just > to see the Oysters at a large venue. > > Nice review John, PUD sounds pretty good. I think this bodes well for > EW. I have heard one-half of these songs live; the other five will > really have to blow chunks to fall to the level of Club Ninja. > > As for the rest of the CD hard to believe there are no Foghat fans on > BOC-L. In there heyday they were as loud and hardrocking as anybody. > > > L8er > > lil' ab I suspect it's part of the anti-blues backlash. A lot of people see that old-style slide gtr stuff as 'counter-revolutionary .' Personally, I hope Summerdaze makes it here. I won't mind seeing Foghat one bit. My recent experience is that a lot of these old dinosaurs can still tromp through the swamps with the best of them. Most of these groups are comprised of rock veterans who've played a million gigs and who still put on a good show... theo From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 16:21:37 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:21:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD In-Reply-To: <199706051721.NAA30919@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > I agree on this. If this is what they are capable of, I think they could've > put more new stuff on the album. What does it compare to most closely? Are we dealing with Club Ninja style (even if better), or is it heading back towards real-sounding BOC? Also, a question: if it was recorded in '94, does that mean they've got a new version for the album, or have they been faffing around trying to mix this since then? Neither would surprise me, but if the former, that suggest they have other demoes in the bank. In which case, the delay over EW is just _silly_... > Ironically, I saw posts on alt.music.blueoystercult criticizing the wisdom > of putting this track being put on the CD, saying they should have used > only tunes where Buck sings if Eric can't sing them on the tour... By which rationale, of course, they should never ever perform `Cities on Flame' any more... I'll go and see 'em even if Eric can't sing. That is beginning to look permanent though, isn't it, which cannot be good news for the band. Oh what negative things I can extrapolate from there being new BOC, I think I need to get home for a bit, yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 16:28:14 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:28:14 +0100 Subject: Off: David Roter gig in NYC this Saturday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > I'll be playing with David Roter this Saturday night at Arlene's Grocery in > lower Manhattan around 11PM. Admission is free, no cover and we will be > playing at least one BOC song that David wrote. > Al Joan Crawford! Joan Crawford! I mean, it's not like I can make it or anything, but it's got to be Joan Crawford! Yours, Jazza ObCD: Hawkwind, `Space Ritual' disk 1 - tuning up for tomorrow... /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 16:30:05 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:30:05 +0100 Subject: HW:Blackheath gig In-Reply-To: <01BC7258.2E6523C0@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > As I have never met any of the list members before, how will I recognise any > of you at the Blackheath gig? I will be wearing my `Signify' t-shirt, at least at the start of the evening until I get a Hawks one, and Carl looks like a Viking. Simple. And Jon Browne, as is well known, looks like Kurt Cobain... Yours, Jon /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 6 16:34:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:34:29 -0400 Subject: Off: David Roter gig in NYC this Saturday Message-ID: > Joan Crawford! Joan Crawford! I mean, it's not like I can make it or anything, but it's got to be Joan Crawford! Or maybe "Unknown Tongue" . . . John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 6 16:39:38 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:39:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: >On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >> I agree on this. If this is what they are capable of, I think they could've >> put more new stuff on the album. > > What does it compare to most closely? Are we dealing with Club >Ninja style (even if better), or is it heading back towards real-sounding >BOC? I'd have to say PUD sounds much better than Club Ninja. If I had to drop it in somewhere it sounds like somewhere between FUO and RBN, but its really it's own track. But it seems to avoid the CN feel, clearly... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 21:48:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:48:57 GMT+0100 Subject: HW:Blackheath gig Message-ID: On fre 6 jun 1997 21.30 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Mike Parkington wrote: > > As I have never met any of the list members before, how will I > > recognise any of you at the Blackheath gig? > > I will be wearing my `Signify' t-shirt, at least at the start of > the evening until I get a Hawks one, and Carl looks like a Viking. > Simple. Depending on how organized I am, I may or may not shave. But it's been commented to me that no matter _how_ I dress, and _what_ I do ... I am still surrounded with an aura of vikingness. > And Jon Browne, as is well known, looks like Kurt Cobain... Before or After? ;) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hoven Droven, _grov_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 21:50:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 21:50:38 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: On fre 6 jun 1997 21.21 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Neither would surprise me, but if the > former, that suggest they have other demoes in the bank. In which case, > the delay over EW is just _silly_... Of course it's silly! Any band of BOC's caliber which can't get an album of some kind or another out in over a decade is _silly_! Cheers, Carl From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 6 17:34:45 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:34:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: CE (was OFF: David Roter gig) In-Reply-To: <199706062034.QAA16166@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > > Joan Crawford! Joan Crawford! I mean, it's not like I can make it > or anything, but it's got to be Joan Crawford! > > Or maybe "Unknown Tongue" . . . Yeah, that would be cool. Didn't know that was a Roter track - my copy of CE is devoid of writing credits. Anyone want to waste some time sending them to me? Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jun 6 17:40:07 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:40:07 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Foghat Rules!!!! Have been able to see them a few times the last few years, and thhey still rock!! Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Fri Jun 6 01:14:16 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:14:16 -0700 Subject: Seattle- Teri Cruzan Message-ID: Teri, So you live near Seattle, I live in Kitsap County. Scary. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jun 7 02:09:54 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 02:09:54 BST Subject: HW: the last day of forever Message-ID: On the Second Day of Forever I thought of an unpacked bag lying on the floor And on the First and Final Day of Forever I thought of the long past that had led to now and ever, ever, ever...... HAWKWIND! see y'. I'll be heavily disguised as myself but don't be fooled - just be afraid very afraid....... The BOC-l Nethawks shirt should be a giveaway tho'. Unfortunately the other representatives from Scotland have been summoned to some kind of Tribal Gathering in the Borders so I'll be the sole representative from the north I fear 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Jun 7 00:02:11 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:02:11 -0400 Subject: CE credits from memory Message-ID: Here's the Cultosaurus Erectus credits list: 1. Michael Moorcock/John Trivers/Eric Bloom 2. Caryn Bouchard/Albert Bouchard 3. Donald Roeser 4. Donald Roeser 5. Eric Bloom/Donald Roeser/Allen Lanier/Joe Bouchard/Albert Bouchard 6. Caryn Bouchard/Albert Bouchard 7. Helen "Wheels" Robbins/Joe Bouchard 8. Richard Meltzer/Eric Bloom/Donald Roeser 9. David Roter/Albert Bouchard Well, I did it from memory, so I suppose I might have made a mistake somewhere along the line. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of those...:-) I listed lyricist first, where possible. SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 7 04:55:29 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:55:29 +0100 Subject: HW:Blackheath gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Carl Edlund Anderson writes >> And Jon Browne, as is well known, looks like Kurt Cobain... > > Before or After? ;) > During...... ;-P -- Jon Browne From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Sat Jun 7 06:43:05 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:43:05 +0200 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?BOC_in_K=F8benhvn?= Message-ID: Hello again, I have arrived in denmark and am really enjoying it here. This is going to be a great place! I saw that BOC is playing at a 3 day festival near Copenhagen on aug 10th. Also at the festival are: Status Quo, Therapy, Simple MInds, Mick Taylor, and about 20 other bands. Since I can' t read danish yet, I get the idea that you can get a ticket for only one day for about 50 kr (8 dollars).. It is incredible how many music festivals there are here in the summer! Lots of good bands to look forward to: Blues Traveler (24/7) free show in a club that holds about 150 people if that; Kiss (21/6), and other US bands that I just don't know. Seems like there are a lot of danish bands also playing around Psyched Up Janis I see listed a lot. I just don't know any of these bands. Anyway, talk to you soon and enjoy the HW show this weekend! scott From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Sat Jun 7 11:37:25 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:37:25 -0400 Subject: Seattle- Teri Cruzan Message-ID: Now John, whats so scary about it/? LOL. I am not that bad, really. Are you going to the BRain Surgeons show in Seattle on July, 25th, maybe we can meet up. See ya :-) Teri From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Jun 7 11:19:21 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:19:21 -0400 Subject: Al Stewart Message-ID: Hit the used bins. This was released on the now-defunct Enigma label (along with all of the post Be-Bop Deluxe Bill Nelson stuff, HW's Xenon Codex and a bunch of other good stuff...). Good luck in the hunt! Craig craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton[SMTP:cwheaton at MICRON.NET] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 1997 12:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off: Al Stewart Hi all! My friend is looking for an AL Stewart CD titled "The Last Days of the Century" Anyone know where we can find a copy of this? Thanx in advance:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Craig Shipley wrote: > > Hit the used bins. This was released on the now-defunct Enigma label (along > with all of the post Be-Bop Deluxe Bill Nelson stuff, HW's Xenon Codex and > a bunch of other good stuff...). Good luck in the hunt! > > Craig > craigs at pyramid.com Craig: I shall look!!! Thanx! Pam > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: > cwheaton at micron.net > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton * From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Jun 7 17:42:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:42:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: hi, some small news from bedouin. just recieved from alan, a letter, and two copies (one for bill stewart) of the bedouin ep. it is blue translucent vinyl. it was originally supposed to be one sided only, but they printed the same material, both sides. alan joked that it would last twice as long. ;) tracks are: rock palace wadi dhar passion is an animal al hadin it is all pretty damned good. does NOT sound like hawkwind, nor does it really resemble "captured rotation." it is a new sound. the last track, 'al hadin', sounds genuinely mid-eastern. alan sent a copy to doug s., and doug really liked it, said he wanted to move the release date up from sept, to july. not carved in stone, but fingers crossed. this is old news, but he said bedouin is off on its first mini-tour, and would be headlining the german fest. he mentioned that he was really working toward a mini-tour of east- U.S. i have a feeling that bedouin will be transforming a bit in various ways before they are settled. he arranged a one-off with himself, danny t, and huw lloyd, but it got cancelled for whatever reason. he hopes to try it again. ok- if anyone is interested in sending questions, concerns,adorations, orders for merchandise etc., here is the address. (info, t-shirts, rare vinyl, etc.) BEDOUIN INFO P.O. BOX 38 Honiton Devon EX149YW ( the Y might be a V, alan got a little sloppy at that point in the letter) England (can anyone confirm?) rj OBEP>> alan davey sampler from "bedouin" by bedouin. EBS From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jun 7 19:20:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:20:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: Hey! Ron can play bass! And Jerry looks like Tony Iommi! It was a good one! More later! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 15:49:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:49:54 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: On s?n 8 jun 1997 00.20 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > Hey! Ron can play bass! > And Jerry looks like Tony Iommi! > It was a good one! > More later! But as a quick note, the new lineup bodes *very* well. The quick summary is that Alan was a great bass player and will be missed. However, Ron is pretty damn good, and the disappearance of Alan's synth banks is _not_ missed. The sound was really guitar dominated, with the synths forming a backdrop--like it should be really :) Jerry is a Good Thing. There's a new intro to Love in Space that they played and it was *effing* heavy! My jaw dropped. Hawkwind, re-evolved into metal!? There was also a new song ("Reptile Vision"?) and it rocked. The band seemed a bit hesitant during the first few numbers, but after massive cheering for the new track they gained a lot of strength. Ron turned the bass up. It was good. Brock still hides behind his gear (the lame-o!) but played a lot of guitar and looked to be having a good time. Possibly the best HW show I've seen so far. Cheers, Carl ObCD: Acrimony _Tumuli Shroomaroom_ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jun 8 11:21:55 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:21:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: Carl - glad to see you made it back! Well, first up we had a little initiative test, as the Railway Tavern, to everyone's surprise, is now the "Fairway and Firkin" - but me, Tim, Carl, Jazza, Mike W and Jill all made it there OK. So did Huw Lloyd Langton, as it goes... I didn't think Huw's acoustic set was very good; he got quite a good reception, but I felt it was more out of affection, than appreciation of his performance on the night. We'd been a bit apprehensive about Hawkwind - first gig with the new line-up, is Ron any good on bass, how much have they rehearsed? But you know HW - when you're most apprehensive, that's when they put on a stormer! Ron is quite handy on the bass, he seems to have got the histrionic vocals out of his system, and he was really good! Alan is missed, sure, but the new line-up is a good one - even though there's probably less synth than at any time in Hawkwind's history! Brock was messing about with his electronics before every song, sure, but playing guitar during most of them. And grinning almost all the time! >From where I was (in the mosh, of course) it was sometimes hard to tell who was playing what - but Jerry had some good lead parts. He fitted in very well, and everyone seemed to take a liking to him. Light show was minimal, but the fire-eaters were there. The bloke dropped one of his torches in Jerry's monitor and set it on fire, which was a bit alarming, and left us gagging on fire-extinguisher, but I think that's a hazard you accept. I think Jazza was taking notes, so I'll let him post the set-list. However: "Hassan I Sahba" surprised me because it had next to no intro and just went straight into the riff; the heavy instro just before "Love in Space" was pure distillate of BLANGA; "Sonic Attack" was a bit of a mess, but they all seemed to enjoy themselves; "Brainstorm" with a bit of "Camera that Could Lie" in the middle was great; and "Needle Gun" was all over the fucking shop - how they kept it together at all I don't understand - but no-one seemed to mind! This is possibly the heaviest Hawkwind have been since the halcyon days of Lord Lemmy. This is a good thing! And the Concert Halls were a very civilised venue - the bar was still open after the show! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 16:42:10 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:42:10 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: On s?n 8 jun 1997 16.21 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > I didn't think Huw's acoustic set was very good; he got quite a > good reception, but I felt it was more out of affection, than > appreciation of his performance on the night. I concur. People cheered and applauded at the end of songs, but didn't pay much attention in between. Part of this may have been due to the fact that the sound was _very_ low and I had difficulty hearing it clearly much of the time. On the other hand, Huw didn't really catch fire up there thought his playing seemed all right. He also played a few fairly dull songs, though not surprisingly the HW covers went down well. > Brock was messing about with his > electronics before every song, sure, but playing guitar during most of > them. And grinning almost all the time! Brocks electronics did some screwing up of their own. Something he had seemed to be making vile noises at various points in the set. That'll teach him to rely on complex equipment ;) > Light show was minimal, but the fire-eaters were there. The bloke > dropped one of his torches in Jerry's monitor and set it on fire, which > was a bit alarming, and left us gagging on fire-extinguisher, but I > think that's ahazard you accept. From about 10 feet back though it looked really cool :) > "Sonic Attack" was a bit of a mess, > but they all seemed to enjoy themselves; I enjoyed that Sonic Attack. It relied heavily on gruesome squeals and feedback from both Jerry's and Ron's intruments :) > and "Needle Gun" was all over the > fucking shop - how they kept it together at all I don't understand - but > no-one seemed to mind! The vocals were practically gone from the mix, but the audience was just going nuts anyway so it hardly mattered. > This is possibly the heaviest Hawkwind have been since the halcyon days > of Lord Lemmy. This is a good thing! I'm close to concurring, though some of the early-90s shows also seemed fairly heavy to me. Nevertheless, they did *rock* most extrordinarily. It should be a year of good shows for everyone. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 17:32:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:32:54 GMT+0100 Subject: Call for Frendz of the Hawk Message-ID: In a stunning and unexpected move, I've actually started redeveloping the erstwhile and neglected Hawkfrendz page, starting with a page of links to persons and organizations who want to be listed as Frendz of the Hawk. So anyone who wants to be there in future, let me know. For the moment the page is being built on my desktop machine and construction won't be visible online right away, but once I get enough added to it .... Cheers, Carl From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 13:28:06 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:28:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear All, well, Andy is expecting me to post a set-list, and since big Mike hasn't done it yet, I shall undertake this mighty oeuvre... my first ever BOC-L review. I feel so humble... Well, let's make one thing clear before I go into details. They rocked. No, that's not enough. They ROCKED. Nearly. But you get the idea. Hawkwind is *not*dead*. We assembled in the Fairway and Firkin and found the beer and the presence of Huw somewhere in the bar much more attractive than seeing Captain Rizz, and when we got there and found he was still on we decided we were right - but it could just have been their kit, which did not do them justice. Lousy sound. After a while they stopped, and eventually Huw came on, mumbled that this was an acoustic set and played several "little ditties" - they were OK, and he did a couple of bits that indicated that he can indeed play, but basically it was nothing much, I thought. Maybe if I'd known the songs: Mike W has a set-list for it. He did on the other hand get the crwod's attention when, after asking the permission of "Mr. Brock back there", he played Hurry on Sundown. He got so much reaction in fact that he turned the end of `All Along the Watchtower', which followed it and was also quite good, back into `Hurry on Sundown', and then put down the guitar, prepared to go off and then cahnged his mind and played it _again_... Anyway, he went off soon after, and some woman (his wife? some attachment of his? I don't know, she'd been dancing on stage) asked us to yell to get Hawkwind on. Which of course we did. And while we were there Richard came and tested the drums, and then a shadowy long-haired figure crept behind the synths and started setting up. So of course we yelled "We can see you Dave!" and so on, and he sort of looked over the edge , grinning(!) and went off again, and then, and then, the band came on! First impressions: Jerry is tall, thin, and does look a bit like Iommi I suppose - I'd say more like a young, stretched, Zappa. Ron was relatively restrained, black drainpipe jeans, no top, and yellow and black face-paint. Richard was well-hidden but seemed happy enough, and Dave like was looking over the edge of the synths and seemed genuinele pleased to be there. And had his guitar. The setlist, with comments, was as follows: ASSAULT & BATTERY THE GOLDEN VOID (both not bad, and pleasant to hear them, but they are not my favourite tracks; accompanied with a very thin dancer who didn't do very much). BLUE SKIN (good stuff - no Dave guitar, and Ron's bass, as for the first two, was very faint - but Jerry made up for Dave's synthing and showed commendable attention to feedback and fucked-up-ness. Fire-eaters came on at last). STEPPENWOLF (in no way bad, but not great. Ron still too quiet, but doing the wolf-man stuff well as ever. The chunky belly-dancer was not as scarey as usual). My impression was that they relaxed a bit after that. I was yelling for more bass, and Ron maybe heard me, I don't know, because then they turned him *up* - he seemed to be the one most in need of reassurance, but Dave also seemed relieved, and, like, happy and stuff! [A NEW SONG] - REPTILE VISION (or at least, that's what Mike W reckoned it shoudl be called. The mark of Ron all over it, raving about being a reptile. Rocks. Fast. Loud. Good. Abominably twisted feed-back noise from Jerry, the bass audible - and Ron can play. Not Alan, but definitely not Harvey, which I think we all had feared. Fear no longer. Reptile Vision. We like.) ASSASSINS OF ALLAH/SPACE IS THEIR PALESTINE/ASSASSINS OF ALLAH (immediate wallop into the riff, and a highly acceptable couple of minutes of blanga before wandering into Space is... which Dave's synths could not really make heard. More feedback, Jerry and Ron both reaching Syd Barrett-like screechiness levels, before winding it back up for crowd to yell "It is written!" as loud as we could. Much, _much_ better than the LiS version.) About this point something, which seems to have been one of Dave's synths, started producing a really horrible noise whenever he went for some routine or other. This may have been why the synths were so low in the mix - I suspect bits of programme weren't happening. Something started up now which sounded like the synths for LiS, but suddenly Richard was off with a fast drum-beat, and the rest of them suddenly picked it up, and weeeEOOOOWWWW blanga blanga it's ANOTHER NEW SONG folks.... Andy reckoned this to be a new intro to LiS, but I think it was a new track - also bearing the mark of the Bastard unless Dave has suddenly gone speed-metal - *very* loud, *very* fast. No very obvious tune, but who cares? The ship is in good hands. LOVE IN SPACE followed along nicely, the synths defintely acting up by now, but still cool, and complete with the obligatory Ron-Goes-Mad bit in the middle. Good stuff. The bass riff seemed to be Alan on tape, because Ron didn't play lots of it, but when he did he was OK. He picked it up big-time for AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO (I was too busy screaming with Ron to really notice if this was as good as it felt to me - could someone mail me and conform that it was damn good and that Ron can, in fact, Play Bass?) SONIC ATTACK (not too good, but then this is an excellent way for Ron to try to be Calvert and fail - they all had fun, as Carl says, and it was fun for the novelty value and the *atrocious* feedback that Jerry and Ron were generating) [ANOTHER NEW SONG](about which I can remember *absolutely nothing* except that Dave had a poem in it, "whispering words I could not hear.. ") BRAINSTORM/THE CAMERA THAT COULD LIE/BRAINSTORM (Ron can play bass. Jerry and Dave played loads of guitar. Richard was there. It knocked the California Brainstorm version dead. This was the high point of the gig, and it was EXCELLENT! As Andy and Mike, who were in the mosh, will tell you. I didn't see Jerry's monitor catch fire, but I guess if I put in the review here no-one will be any the wiser). Then they went off, and so we shouted and stomped, and when they came back on there was a well-known short Welshman with them, none other than HLL himself! We got a Hawkwind with three (count them, 3) guitars! EJECTION was first, with Dave on synths mostly, not that you could hear them. Excellent, and followed by... NEEDLE GUN (yeah! Bloody great, all three guitars going over-time, vocals totally shot, couldn't hear a word but we were all singing ourselves anyway so it didn't matter, loadsanoise, Huw and Jerry all over the place, mostly Huw. Way cool). In sum, lords and ladies, gentlemen and gentlewomen, or other non-gender-cultural specification of your choice, Hawkwind have not so much lost a damn-good bass player with ideas about synths, as gained an opportunity for a not-at-all-bad punk bass player to take over even more of the show than he already had, and backed by what look like suspicious speed-metal leanings from Jerry (it's Richards, Carl, OK?) are rapidly heading towards heavy metal madness. This may of coursde change slightly if Dave can fix his synths, but even so I think we are in for a season of highest-quality blanga. Watch the skies... Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 13:29:43 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:29:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: So did Huw play with Hawkwind or not? And does any one have the set list to huw or hawkwind? I hope the autum tour is as good since I couldn't go last night. In fact what ever they do will be good becasue I've never had the chance to see them live before. Thanks Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jun 8 14:16:42 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:16:42 +0100 Subject: OTHER: ICU - new album ordering Message-ID: Picked up a flyer last night for the new "Judge Trev's Inner City Unit" album, _Now You Know the Score_; you can get it mail order from: Judgement Records 48 Barbauld Road Stoke Newington London N16 0ST UK 10 pounds + 75p p/p (UK/Europe), 2 pounds p/p (rest of world). - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jun 8 14:12:58 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:12:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: > So did Huw play with Hawkwind or not? Yes, but only for the encores ("Ejection" and "Needle Gun") > And does any one have the set list to huw or hawkwind? HW - see Jazza'a post; Huw: don't know all of them, but included "Rocky Paths", "Moonglum", "Hurry on Sundown" and "All Along the Watchtower". "Reptile Vision" definitely was the title of that new song, btw. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Sun Jun 8 20:06:58 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:06:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: Hi Can someone tell me how long hawkwind played for? Did any of the songs ramble on in ture hawkwind style ie brainstorm, may be love in space. Also which was better: LiS album or Black heath? (I get the impression may be black heath but wouldn't surpirse me since hawkwind play their best when it doesn't end up as a live album eg. a lot of boots sound better than live albums!) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 9 10:33:52 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:33:52 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Mon, 9 Jun 1997 01:06:58 +0100 Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > Hi > > Can someone tell me how long hawkwind played for? Did any of the songs ramble > on in ture hawkwind style ie brainstorm, may be love in space. They played for pretty close to exactly 100 mins (mind you I think I remember everyone disappearing from the stage during the middle bit of Space is Their Palestine so I don't know if that counts!). There was no rambling although the new Reptile song was a touch uncertain. But once that tightens up it will be fine. The feel of that track was probably closest to the Hawklords period - from first impressions. The rest was fast and tight - especially Brainstorm! What an excellent venue! Good size crowd too - I think it may have caught the organisers by surprise since all the draft lager ran out and they were reduced to bottled Heineken by the end! Nice environment - hope they go back there some time. Sorry about the pubname folks - it's the kind of thing that happens when Hawkwind are around, everything transmutes into something else! Huw joined them on stage for the last two numbers - you could hear him in Ejection but he got lost along with everyone else in Needle Gun - but what a terrific conclusion - they should always end on a powerful track that that. No "Welcome" this time tho'. But it didn't matter! And no Silver Machine despite it being exactly 25 years this month since it was first released [Happy Birthday to you....] I sorta wondered if they were planning to come back on stage again but ran out of time. Not sure. > Also which was better: LiS album or Black heath? (I get the impression may be > black heath but wouldn't surpirse me since hawkwind play their best when it > doesn't end up as a live album eg. a lot of boots sound better than live > albums!) At this moment in time - Blackheath. There were probably too many electronic problems for it to be issued on an album without cleaning up but as a composite with some other gigs as a live tour album or somesuch it would be terrific! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jun 9 07:33:00 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:33:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Jon Jarrett wrote: > Dear All, > well, Andy is expecting me to post a set-list, and since > big Mike hasn't done it yet, I shall undertake this mighty oeuvre... my > first ever BOC-L review. I feel so humble... And as I agree with practically everything I shall add very little, other than it was good to see everyone who was there, and for those of you too ill to make, or too full of other responsibilities, well I'm sorry but you missed a good one. AS Jazza said, they rocked. Infact it was more full of rock than blanga (by which I mean to imply it was faster than previous heavy HW, but not rocky in the sense of Huwie twiddly HM guitar bits). > .. eventually Huw > came on, mumbled that this was an acoustic set and played several "little > ditties" - they were OK, and he did a couple of bits that indicated that > he can indeed play, but basically it was nothing much, I thought. Maybe if > I'd known the songs: Mike W has a set-list for it. A word on his band, a flautist and bongo player, who also did bass on a couple of tracks. Huw played acoustic throughout. Set list: WARS ARE THE HOBBY THERE (From Like an arrow... through the heart) SO LONG WAITING ( " " " ") SMOKE STACK LIGHTING 5TH SECOND OF FOREVER/WIND OF CHANGE (Huw's version, not HW's) I SHALL BE RELEASED MOONGLUM (with bass) SOLITARY MINDGAMES (with bass) DEATH OF A CLOWN (by the kinks, just huwie) ROCKY PATHS FUR KIRSTY HURRY ON SUNDOWN ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER HURRY ON SUNDOWN AN ALEXIS KORNER BLUES NUMBER (maybe 'I got a woman') I would agree that it was enjoyable rather than good in an absolute musical fashion, but hearing Fur Kirsty again was worth it, let alone HoS, which should be done with HW with Dave on harmonica. I demand it.... > Anyway, he went off soon after, and some woman (his wife? some > attachment of his? I don't know, she'd been dancing on stage) That would be Marion Lloyd-Langton. Jazza's HW set list with my recollections: start 9:30 > ASSAULT & BATTERY/THE GOLDEN VOID lovely to hear again, I thought they were good versions > BLUE SKIN > STEPPENWOLF during this I was happy to see Ron playing proper HW bass, you can be profficient bass player, but not be a good HW bass player, but with the interesting bass runs that I saw on this track convinced me that bass playing is safe with Ron. > [A NEW SONG] - REPTILE VISION I liked this. It was at this point you could tell HW had lost a bass player who enjoys playing synths, and got a bass player who used to be in a band called Bastard. It would be about 5th track in you would expect a synthy noodling bit, but no we move on to something that rocked. I noted it down as '? fast', so there we have it. > ASSASSINS OF ALLAH/SPACE IS THEIR PALESTINE/ASSASSINS OF ALLAH I thought it worked well with only one synth with Richard's drumming for SitP, when everyone else (well the other two) left the stage. ANOTHER NEW SONG, or at least a heavy fast instrumental that could be the new intro to LIS, but I'm claiming it is another new song. > LOVE IN SPACE > AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO Note for Jazza - infact this was 'damn good' > SONIC ATTACK > [ANOTHER NEW SONG](about which I can remember *absolutely nothing* except > that Dave had a poem in it, "whispering words I could not hear.. ") I guess if that is what Dave was saying then he was reading 10 seconds of forever, but I couldn't hear a word he said. However the spoken bit was surrounded by new music that I called 'boogie' (of course I was very very drunk at this point) > BRAINSTORM/THE CAMERA THAT COULD LIE/BRAINSTORM I was down the front and danced and saw monitors get burnt. Rock and roll 10:53 pm encore > > EJECTION > NEEDLE GUN end 11:07 and it was brill. and I enjoyed it. and the new line up looks and sounds good, and Ron can play bass, and dave brought his guitar and played it. Everyone seemed to have a good time. cheers Mike w From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 9 07:56:08 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:56:08 PDT Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues Revisited Message-ID: Sorry folks: timeline screwed - I tried to send this on saturday night, but made a mess of it, and I was offline until today. ================================================================ I wrote: >so I have to be on kid-patrol all weekend AAAAAAAAAGH!!!!! & Jill replied: >Heck - bring it along too... you have to start 'em young 8-) Andy also said: >PS Chris - why not bring the kids along??? :) & from rj >take them with you. tie them at the curb if ya have to. ;) >rj Well, the idea is fine, and my kids have pretty good taste (despite my daughter (10) now bowing to peer pressure over the **i*e *i***: consonant deleted to protect the innocent) But my 9 year old son is bi-polar and can't cope with the over-stimulation of large crowds and very loud noise for long periods. Add in the lights, and I'd end up having the challenge (?) of getting a deranged 4 foot berserker home via the South London rail network (the "mangement" having taken off with the car of course!). Anyone got any thorazine? And as for Jon: >I'm still up in the air after busting a rib playing with my 5 >year old son. What I learned is this. If you are playing at >being hypnotised and are hopping round the living room, >pretending to be a chicken - keep your eyes open! I thought I did some stoooooopid stuff with kids, but you must have "smoked your high-school diploma" 8*{P> Well, at the time of writing, I guess you're all headed for the centre of the universe, I'll just have to make do with whisky & dreams (or maybe I'll smoke my high-school diploma). ChrisW ObThanksJon: Kowalski - Primal Scream ObReplacedAtLast: Sun Ship - John Coltrane * *Odd thought - think of Coltrane replacing Nik on SR! --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 9 08:18:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:18:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's mail of Mon, 9 Jun 97 10:33 -0100 Message-ID: Thanks for the reviews! I'm looking forward to the autumn tour. One question: who sang what? Presumably Ron couldn't do much frontman work while also playing bass (which makes me glad I caught the LiS tour -- I enjoyed seeing his Wolfman and Secret Agent outfits). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jun 9 08:52:07 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:52:07 +0100 Subject: HW misc Message-ID: Two purchases I made in London whilst heading south Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans with Nik Turner & friends - Live on Blueprint BP250CD (c) 1997 Nik is on 3 of the 9 tracks, recorded at the forest fayre 1992. The stuff is what you'd expect if you've ever heard any Mazlyn Jones, or seen them play (some of the photos in the booklet seem to be taken at Glastonbury when they played together on Sunday am). The tracks are Someone at the door (9:00) 20th Century (6:36) Spirit Moves (4:17) If you've never heard Nigel Mazlyn Jones then he is an acoustic guitarist who uses effects to give a full sound. Nik has been on a couple of other tracks by him on his records. nik is described as 'Founder member in free-jazz, space rock band "Hawkwind". Known for outrageous theatrical behaviour and excellent sax and flute playing. Recorded solo album in Great Pyramid, "Sphynx-Xit into Day", then formed band "Sphynx" and later "Inner City Unit" who released six albums. Current band "Nik Turner's All Stars". Met Maz at Stonehenge Free Festival, first played with Guy and Maz at Forest Fayre in Wales. Three tracks from this meeting start this album.' so no mention of making asthmatic waterfowl flatulence noises, which is nice. Other purchase is also on Blueprint, or maybe voiceprint, they cannot seem to make their mind up, it is (c) 1995 and I've known about it for ages, but not seen it. Anyway it is the Sting and the radioactors nuclear waste single, with Nik on 3 of the 5 tracks; Nuclear Waste, Digital love and Nuclear Megawaste. The last track is 3:19 rather than the 2:45 original. Nik's sax is not hugely noticeable, but when you have steve hillage guitar and sting vocals there isn't much room for anything else. The cat. no. is BP181CD. And one last comment about the Blackheath gig, they didn't include my favourite live track, and I didn't even notice until 20 mins after it had finished. I thought I would be distraught when they dropped 'Welcome', but I was rocked out. Cheers Mike w From boc-l at AMERCYB.COM Mon Jun 9 09:09:15 1997 From: boc-l at AMERCYB.COM (BOC/Hawkwind List) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:09:15 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Buffalo show Message-ID: Hello All. My buddy and I plan on going to the show in Buffalo this Saturday. But we need directions to the Star Bar- I can't find a listing for it in the online yellow pages for Buffalo. Al, Deb, anyone? If we have to we'll just go to Buffalo and start lookin- but it's be nice to know where we were going. Anyone else going?! I'm pumped. Been looking forward to this since Eponymous came out. Glad tBS are finally heading west. *********************************************************************** Ed Stenger EMAIL: eds at amercyb.com Assistant Director of Information Services PHONE: (216)498-5100 American Cybercasting Corporation (ACC) FAX : (216)498-5101 30680 Bainbridge Road, suite 100a VMAIL: box no. 450 Solon, OH 44139 *********************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 9 14:54:26 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:54:26 GMT+0100 Subject: Review: Hawkwind @ Blackheath, 7 June Message-ID: This is the review I posted to the Cambridge University Rock Society: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This review can be summarized briefly: It *rocked*. Now read on if you care to. This was the first debut of a substantially new line-up and many people I went with were concerned that it was gonna blow. These fears were in vain. It was probably the best HW gig I've seen--certainly the heaviest. One of my mates reckoned it was the heaviest HW had been since Lemmy left the band. I dunno if that's true for sure ... but it must have been damn close. There were several points where thought, "Damn. Hawkwind have evolved back into a primordial metal band." Current lineup: Dave Brock (of course): guitar (relatively lots of it), vocals, synths Richard Chadwick: drums Ron Tree: vocals, bass (and damn good bass it was, too) Jerry Richards: guitar (gruesome wah and feedback abuse :) Jerry has played with them before and if definitely an excellent addition. His guitar style matches the band well. Ron has been in there as a vocalist since '95 and most of the concern was over how well he would handle stepping into Alan Davey's bass shoes (Since Alan Davey was pretty effing hot on bass). The answer is--perhaps not as good as Alan, but all things considered quite amazing. HW has lost an excellent bass player who liked synths and gained a very very good bass player who used to play in a punk band called Bastard. :) Set list: ASSAULT & BATTERY/THE GOLDEN VOID BLUE SKIN STEPPENWOLF These were a little hesitant but good. REPTILE VISION New song, and excellent. After massive positive crowd response to this completely new number the band really started to crank. ASSASSINS OF ALLAH > SPACE IS THEIR PALESTINE > ASSASSINS OF ALLAH LOVE IN SPACE "Love in Space" begin with a segment that was either a new intro or an embryonic new instrumental number. Either way, my jaw dropped. It was very heavy. The song used to begin with meandering synths ... these were suddenly obliterated by sledgehammer drums and massive riffing that would have had Iommi reaching for his notebook. AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO Thunderous. > > SONIC ATTACK Kind of disorganized recital, but was rescued by some truly *appalling* noises being coaxed out of the various instruments. [ANOTHER NEW SONG] Which I remember little of except for more riffing and a spoken interlude from Brock which was largely inaudible. (Over all the mix was not the best at the gig, but it rocked so much it didn't matter). BRAINSTORM > THE CAMERA THAT COULD LIE > BRAINSTORM A mosh pit formed--no mean feat for a latter-day HW gig, though it was a fairly young audience. Probably the best version of "Brainstorm" since the early 70s. Fast, heavy and it took those three chords and slammed them about six feet into your head. Somewhere in the middle of this a fire-eater dropped his torch on one of the on-stage monitors and it burst into flame (to immense delight of the audience). It was then doused, producing enormous amounts of smoke (to the even more immense delight of the audience, excepting those within about 10 feet of it :) EJECTION NEEDLE GUN Hawkwind were joined by original guitarist Huw Lloyd-Langton for these (he had opened for them with an acoustic set which was not really memorable except for a few HW covers like "Moonglum", "Rocky Paths", and "Hurry On Sundown"). The result was fairly chaotic, but very loud and (as my sister would say) _rockin'_. Brock's vocals had practically disappeared from the mix in Needle Gun, which might have been just as well since it was not at all clear that everyone knew where they were in the song :) But the audience was going nuts and no one cared--and they all managed to bring it crashing a shrieking to a halt in good unison so what the hell. The audience was unquestionably demanding another encore and probably would have got it but the lights went up and there it was. US summer and UK Autumn tours should be pretty fucking good. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 9 10:36:06 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:36:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summerdaze CD Message-ID: UPDATE: Bollle tells me the following regarding the Summerdaze tracks: 1. Reaper is Moscow, Idaho, while Godzilla is Kalispell, Montanna 2. Power Underneath Despair is NOT, as I originally reported, an older version. This version was recorded at the end of last year so it has Danny Miranda on bass and Chuck Burgi on drums. Most encouraging by this is the fact that Bloom's vocals sound pretty good on this track -- I had thought this was an older recording circa 1994 before Eric began having somewhat noticible problems. But, this track sounds very strong - even better than his vocals on Bad Channels or Cult Classic. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 9 10:37:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:37:25 -0400 Subject: CE credits from memory Message-ID: Well, the credits are also listed in the FAQ, but I didn't check it against your memory. John PS: Of course, one of the coolest David Roter tracks of all time has to be the Brain Surgeons' "(666) Devil Got Your Mother"! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 9 10:33:56 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:33:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706091218.NAA06279@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: Reading all your comments has made me mad that I didn't go! It was my mum's 60th birthday so family commitments held sway. Absolutely brilliant though to hear so many great comments on the new line up and I really can't wait to hear them. You know, I never really rated Alan and to be honest, always thought he was a bad influence in the group. Now he has left, it sounds like a new punching HW is fighting to get out. This is fucking fantastic news! Mark From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 9 09:45:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:45:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues Revisited In-Reply-To: <199706091156.EAA15812@f32.hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <199706091156.EAA15812 at f32.hotmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >And as for Jon: >I thought I did some stoooooopid stuff with kids, but you >must have "smoked your high-school diploma" 8*{P> I was indeed smoking when I shoulda bin studyin'...quit school at 16, went out to the festivals in May, came home in November. Man, i lucked out getting into comics when I did. Two of my friends have law degrees but no jobs. As of last night I don't have to sleep sitting up, so I should be OK for The Verve later this week, and there's Glasto in two weeks. I was still undecieded on Sat whether to go, in the end I couldn't hack the journey taking short little breaths. Bummer, tho', it sounds like a absolute stormer. the idea was to never miss another London show. I feel like a total lightweight now :( Still, Halloween's not *that* far away...anyone gonna go in costume? -- Jon Browne ObCDCan't Wait - Primal Scream - Vanishing Point gimmegimmegimme 3 weeks and counting! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 9 12:32:33 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:32:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >You know, I never really rated Alan and >to be honest, always thought he was a bad influence in the group. What?!! WHAT???????? ARRRARGAH%^%&*(*&*&%$%$?"!"?*&)(_ Pah! -- Jon Browne From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Jun 9 12:47:18 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:47:18 -0400 Subject: David Roter Message-ID: Has anybody tried the Roter disc? I've enjoyed the three songs I've heard so far, but I'm a little wary of trying a whole album... SET From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jun 9 12:57:15 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:57:15 +0300 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: rj wrote: >BEDOUIN INFO >P.O. BOX 38 >Honiton >Devon >EX14 9YW ( the Y might be a V, alan got a little sloppy at that point in the >letter) >England (can anyone confirm?) > Yes, it?s Y. That is also HW merchandise. But is it really out now, that we can order it? What news about HW LIS? Miikka www.sci.fi/~micci From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Jun 9 17:12:45 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:12:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: rj wrote: >BEDOUIN INFO >P.O. BOX 38 >Honiton >Devon >EX14 9YW ( the Y might be a V, alan got a little sloppy at that point in the >letter) >England (can anyone confirm?) > Yes, it?s Y. That is also HW merchandise. But is it really out now, that we can order it? doh! shoulda noticed... as far as it being 'out,' i dont know. he sent it in the same box it was sent to him in. i know the cd won't be out till at least july, and i don't know if there will be an official ep release. sorry, when i got it, i was so excited, i didnt stop to consider these points. but- when the cd is released, GRAB it! What news about HW LIS? confusion.... last i heard, NO ONE knew. Including Doug. rj Miikka www.sci.fi/~micci ---------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 9 18:21:57 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:21:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, sultan of swing (The) wrote: > > AEROSPACEAGE INFERNO > Note for Jazza - infact this was 'damn good' Ah! That's all right then... > > [ANOTHER NEW SONG](about which I can remember *absolutely nothing* except > > that Dave had a poem in it, "whispering words I could not hear.. ") > I guess if that is what Dave was saying then he was reading 10 seconds > of forever, but I couldn't hear a word he said. However the spoken bit > was surrounded by new music that I called 'boogie' (of course I was > very very drunk at this point) Nah, I just meant I couldn't hear him... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From mpower at FCMC.COM Mon Jun 9 18:32:47 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:32:47 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind - Any Space Ritual or other Calvert Era vids available? Message-ID: Hiya, I am really looking for some Calvert era videos of Hawkwind, I mean I love Nik, but I really would like to see some Calvert occasionally. What titles should I be looking for? and where? NTSC only please. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- Who put the Mind (Control) in MTV?: "If you're an MTV fan, you like all the stuff on MTV. That's how you know who you are, what to wear and what you like." - JUDY McGRATH, President of MTV From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Jun 9 19:05:01 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:05:01 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze -Reply Message-ID: lil' ab wrote: As for the rest of the CD hard to believe there are no Foghat fans on BOC-L. In there heyday they were as loud and hardrocking as anybody. >>>>>>>> Closet Foghat fan here. My first "real" concert was a Foghat show in '79. Ahhh... those were the days. :) I still like them, and I probably always will. Fun band to listen and rock to. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From chrisr at TIAC.NET Mon Jun 9 23:33:28 1997 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:33:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Labor Day Message-ID: After reading the post concerning the Blackheath gig, I am getting real excited about the upcoming Strange Days Festival at the end of August. It is a bit of a drive, about 10 or 12 hours I think, but this sounds like a dream come true. With the comments recently of a more guitar oriented Hawkwind, it sounds like some of the feedback from this list must be penetrating the farthest reaches of space. I have yet to see HW outside and the idea of it happening at a campground makes it seem even more appealing. I have not yet seen anymore US dates posted anywhere yet; if there to be any. I am not familiar with some of the other bands scheduled to play, but will look forward to checking them out as well. Tickets are on sale in 6 days. Hope to find out more US dates soon. Chris From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jun 10 04:26:46 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:26:46 -0600 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > rj wrote: > > >BEDOUIN INFO > >P.O. BOX 38 > >Honiton > >Devon > >EX14 9YW ( the Y might be a V, alan got a little sloppy at that point in > the > >letter) > >England (can anyone confirm?) > > > > Yes, it?s Y. That is also HW merchandise. > But is it really out now, that we can order it? > > doh! shoulda noticed... > as far as it being 'out,' i dont know. he sent it in the same box it was > sent to him in. > i know the cd won't be out till at least july, and i don't know if there > will be an official > ep release. sorry, when i got it, i was so excited, i didnt stop to > consider these points. > but- when the cd is released, GRAB it! > > What news about HW LIS? > > confusion.... last i heard, NO ONE knew. Including Doug. > > rj > > Miikka > www.sci.fi/~micci > ---------- Hell, I actually ordered the thing thinking that it was already out!! I guess I'll finbd out soon-the order went in today:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Jon Browne writes: > As of last night I don't have to sleep sitting up, so I should be OK for > The Verve later this week, and there's Glasto in two weeks. I was still > undecieded on Sat whether to go, in the end I couldn't hack the journey > taking short little breaths. > Bummer, tho', it sounds like a absolute stormer. the idea was to never > miss another London show. I feel like a total lightweight now :( > Still, Halloween's not *that* far away... Has anyone got a number for tix for that gig? > anyone gonna go in costume? Well yeah, if I can rent a spacesuit :-) FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 10 05:25:14 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:25:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Blues Revisited Message-ID: >> Still, Halloween's not *that* far away... >Has anyone got a number for tix for that gig? Shepherd's Bush Empire: 0181-740 7474. 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We arrived quite early to listen to a band whose lead guitarist was living in the same digs as myself and found that HW were on stage doing a soundcheck. They were playing Waiting for Tomorrow and boy did it sound great! The CYM mix didn't come anywhere close to this hard edge rock sound. After the sound check Dave decided to mingle around the crowd and I think Huw put in an appearance. I really wanted to say something to Dave but I couldn't. I mean what would I do - go up to the guy and say "hey man, you're fucking great, i listen to your music all the time, by the way, what is the fingering for that chord in motorway city?". Come the gig and things started to go fur balls. First off my camera packed up. Secondly a mate of mine had bought a chillum along and was getting so out of it he was really drawing attention to himself - HLL was looking at him most oddly. Then finally Bob Calvert appeared on stage. Excellent! However, when he was introduced "This is Robert Calvert" there was no response from the audience. I mean no one cheered or lifted a finger. I think it was Nik who introduced him so he tried again because he was obviously dumb struck by the lack of response. Same effect. I suddenly realised to myself "god, these people dont know who Calvert is". The gig continued and before long they did 10 Seconds of Forever with Bob on vocals of course. Whilst reciting the lines Bob obviously got pissed with the situation and started laughing at the words almost as if he was saying "fuck it, this is really stupid". It seemed strange to see this - Bob Calvert of all people not being recognised and then throwing in the towel on his own lyrics. It was quite a good gig despite this and the 25 mile cycle ride back to Canterbury. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 10 04:48:43 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:48:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >In article , Mark Edmonds > writes >>You know, I never really rated Alan and >>to be honest, always thought he was a bad influence in the group. > >What?!! >WHAT???????? >ARRRARGAH%^%&*(*&*&%$%$?"!"?*&)(_ > > >Pah! >-- >Jon Browne Ha! I thought that would rumple a few feathers! Maybe I should expand on my comments: Sure, there have been some great Davey influenced moments which wouldn`t have been there if he wasn`t in the group but strictly in my opinion, these moments were out-weighed by his slightly crude sub-Lemmy clone style playing and singing. Lemmy is brilliant - he is one of the all time greats of rock and his style is _his_ style - if you accidentally stray too close to his style then you end up sounding bad. Whether intentionally or not, Alan got close to being a Lemmy clone and when he started nicking the vocal duties from Dave my patience started to wear thin. This is because Alan cannot sing! Dave has a fantastic clear voice and he sounds effortless - his voice is after all part of the HW sound. Now listen to Alan trying to sing The Right Stuff (for example) and its painful! Alan undoubtedly did contribute energy to the group at a time when they needed it (after HLL left) but he brought in a new aspect of the sound which to me always sounded lumpy. I know a lot of you will disagree with my comments so if you want to slag me off, go ahead! I am not sitting here idly criticising for the sake of it, I am simply talking about the band which has had such an overwhelming influence on my life that it is part of my blood stream. Anyway, that's enough. Mark Edmonds From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 10 06:54:36 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:54:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: > What news about HW LIS? > > confusion.... last i heard, NO ONE knew. Including Doug. Hell, I actually ordered the thing thinking that it was already out!! I guess I'll finbd out soon-the order went in today:) Pam -- pam- we were talking about the LIS ep. is that what you ordered? rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 10 07:07:43 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:07:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: which to me always sounded lumpy. I know a lot of you will disagree with my comments so if you want to slag me off, go ahead! I am not sitting dear mark, SLAG OFF! (just kidding) i disagree with you, 99.9 percent. im not going to point for point discuss this, there's no point. =) lemmy is THE reason alan learned to play bass. alan (imo) has been an integral part of HW. alan is responsible for the better share of hard numbers for the last decade or so. alan can't sing, most rock stars cant. still i love to hear him try. (he's also the first to tell you he can't sing. it was dave who decide he should. dave's vocal chords are not as strong as they once were. after a few gigs he is worn out.) im not slagging dave. of all mortal voices, his is the one i most love to hear. ok, i lied. i went point for point. what was the point? i dunno. i feel better. ;) rj From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 10 07:53:38 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:53:38 +1000 Subject: OFF: Pot does this???? Message-ID: http://www.theonion.com/onion3001w/marijuana.html ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jun 10 11:14:52 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:14:52 +0200 Subject: OFF: Spacey Tar Message-ID: hi all Sorry for wasting your bandwith... ...but if you take a look at the attachment... ...it's the coolest cigarette package I ever have seen... Very Hawkwindish. (It's a lithuanian brand and despite what you may think of cigarrettes from this contry -they're really good... and strong... 19mg tar) splaba -Daniel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just out of curiousity, now that Brock and/or those close to him has net access-ish - I wonder if the band enjoyed the gig? It sounded terrific from the audience and the band *seemed* to be enjoying themselves but I wonder if it sounded that good on stage as well? jill [slowly adapting to living in the real world again 8-( ] ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jun 10 12:23:31 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:23:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > > What news about HW LIS? > > > > confusion.... last i heard, NO ONE knew. Including Doug. > > Hell, I actually ordered the thing thinking that it was already out!! I > guess I'll finbd out soon-the order went in today:) > Pam > -- > > pam- we were talking about the LIS ep. is that what you ordered? > rj Rj: yes-it is!!! Also ordered Davey's "Captured Rotation" Curiosity got me good!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I Wonder if the tracks performed on this tour will be what the rest of the world will get??? William From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 10 00:15:39 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:15:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >Huw joined them on stage for the last two numbers - you could hear him >in Ejection but he got lost along with everyone else in Needle Gun - >but >what a terrific conclusion - they should always end on a powerful >track >that that. Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle Gun? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 10 00:04:14 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:04:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Labor Day Message-ID: Hope to find out more US dates soon. Am I mistaken, but isn't August 23rd in Ohio still a go? I'm definately going, probably a 5 hour drive from Detroit, since I'm not going to be able to get a Detroit show to happen. Any other promoters out there having similar problems? OBcd: A Drawing Of Sound, Windy and Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jun 10 13:18:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:18:35 +0200 Subject: OFF: test! please ignore! Message-ID: En massa skit som inte betyder n?gonting om man bara tralalala hoppla hfdhjsfdjhsdf jag har inga pengar som vanligt jkfdjkfdjkl. "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 10 13:43:55 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:43:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >>Huw joined them on stage for the last two numbers - you could hear him >>in Ejection but he got lost along with everyone else in Needle Gun - >>but >>what a terrific conclusion - they should always end on a powerful >>track >>that that. > >Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle >Gun? Yes. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Jun 10 15:25:45 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:25:45 +1000 Subject: OFF: Pot does this???? Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > http://www.theonion.com/onion3001w/marijuana.html > > ;^) So THAT'S why I always seem to sit around and listen to Space Ritual, laughing a lot! - Max Wilcox From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 10 18:57:55 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:57:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: yes-it is!!! Also ordered Davey's "Captured Rotation" Curiosity got me good!! Pam the ep is not out yet, as i heard last weekend. as for captured, it has been out for 7 eons. dont know who ya ordered it from, but call them and tell them not to hold it for the lis ep.(if you ordered them together, some dealers will hold what they have till the other comes in.) rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 10 19:01:26 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:01:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Labor Day Message-ID: > Hope to find out more US dates soon. > > Am I mistaken, but isn't August 23rd in Ohio still a go? I'm definately > going, probably a 5 hour drive from Detroit, since I'm not going to be > able to get a Detroit show to happen. Any other promoters out there > having similar problems? yeah, i had a lousy time trying to arrange something in philly. problem is there are no decent clubs in philly. the owners either took the money and split, or got popped for taxes. the few likelies that are left, are owned by the big-boy agencies. can't touch 'em. also the one prospective i managed wont even talk to me now because i pumped him up, then couldnt get any hard info for him. aah well. maybe next time. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 10 19:01:57 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:01:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: > > Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > Gun? yes. rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jun 10 19:29:38 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:29:38 -0600 Subject: BS WEST COAST TOUR. In-Reply-To: <339DAA38.60E8@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: BOC-L'ers; OK, so this info is probally posted somewhere, but I'm too lazy to really learn all of this computer stuff, so here's the question; Any confirmed Brain Surgeon shows for the West Coast, especially So. Cal??? It's time to visit the folks again, so might as well do it in conjunction with some BS gigs. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 10 19:40:01 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:40:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle >Gun? I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the Black Sword album - but on Saturday I really liked it! I even sang along - "needle needle needle needle gun" and all. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Jun 10 23:41:30 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:41:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Video Update Message-ID: Hi all, I have been working on the video for two months now, 1 and 1/2 of those months just figuring out the Desktop video equipment. Over the last two weeks, I did a rough copy of Godzilla, Deadline, 5:35, and Born To Rock. Godzilla was done just to learn the equipment and has to be re-done, but the other three look pretty good:-) I took some advice from Buck's daughter, Danielle, who knows these things, and cut down on the special effect transitions for BTR. It looks like I will be pumping these out about one every three days. I am working on Wind Weather and Storm right now and being a short song, it will only take me two days. For anyone going to the Concord or Bakersfield shows in CA, my goal is to have 10 songs for everyone to preview there. Keep in mind these will not be the "Finished" versions as some need a minor tweak here and there and of course, Buck will be making the music better from the ADAT's. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 04:33:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:33:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's mail of Wed, 11 Jun 97 00:40 +0100 Message-ID: On 11 Jun 00:40, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > >Gun? > > I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the Black Sword album - but on Saturday I really liked it! > > I even sang along - "needle needle needle needle gun" and all. Wow. What kind of drinks were they serving at that pub?! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 04:15:59 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:15:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <01BC7600.375AB3E0@host5-99-53-125.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC7600.375AB3E0 at host5-99-53-125.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the >Black Sword album What?!?!?!?!?!?!??! WHAAATTTTT???!!!!! I know I have expressed controversial opinions but surely it is very unfair to suggest everything sucked on COTBS? It _was_ a let down initially because it sounded like it wasn't complete and I think the problem is that it needed more studio tweaking. Oh, the album artwork was pretty shit as well. However, the music itself is really excellent and probably the most powerful and coherent album since Levitation. I really love COTBS despite is rough edits and odd sound and if you think the music _is_ weak, then just check out how well it transfered into the powerful live show Live Chronicles. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 06:19:41 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:19:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:15:59 BST." <$nawYCA$6lnzEwZk@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > In article <01BC7600.375AB3E0 at host5-99-53-125.btinternet.com>, Andrew > Gilham writes > > >I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the > >Black Sword album > I really love COTBS > despite is rough edits and odd sound and if you think the music _is_ > weak, then just check out how well it transfered into the powerful live > show Live Chronicles. Having been on this list a while, I don't think bringing up Live Chronicles is likely to alter Andy's opinion of COTBS one iota ! Or is this a call to get Steve Swann on your side ? Tim ObCD: Vivid (Thanks again Andy ;-) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 06:53:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:53:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Wed, 11 Jun 97 09:15 +0100 Message-ID: On 11 Jun 09:15, Mark Edmonds wrote: > I really love COTBS > despite is rough edits and odd sound and if you think the music _is_ > weak, then just check out how well it transfered into the powerful live > show Live Chronicles. I like Live Chronicles (at least on album; I didn't see the show), but I still think COTBS is a very poor album. Sleep of 1000 Tears is good, and one or two others are OK, but there's little else I like. It seems like a heavy metal album to me (and, with the usual rare exceptions found in any genre, I find heavy metal boring). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 11 07:05:43 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:05:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >What?!?!?!?!?!?!??! WHAAATTTTT???!!!!! I know I have expressed >controversial opinions but surely it is very unfair to suggest >everything sucked on COTBS? Hahaha! No it isn't! (Well, "Sleep of a thousand tears" is OK., I guess.) > I really love COTBS > despite is rough edits and odd sound and if you think the music _is_ > weak, then just check out how well it transfered into the powerful live > show Live Chronicles. Hey, don't tell me, I was there, at the Hammy Odeon. I gave up on Hawkwind for years after that. I loved HW in the '70s, but I never got on with the Bainbridge/Langton line-up. I only really started enjoying HW again after they'd gone. But I did promise myself not to slag _Live Chronicles_ on the list again, on the basis that even though I find it really embarrassing, if you get enjoyment out of it, fine! (And I also promised myself not to make the "Solitary Hand Games" joke again, but it still makes me laugh :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 11:47:32 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:47:32 -0300 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: bart's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:19:41 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > Having been on this list a while, I don't think bringing up Live Chronicles > is likely to alter Andy's opinion of COTBS one iota ! Or is this a call to get > Steve Swann on your side ? Oh, does Steve Swann like Live Chronicles then? > Tim FoFP From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 07:48:34 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:48:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote of Alan Davey: > Sure, there have been some great Davey influenced moments which wouldn`t > have been there if he wasn`t in the group IMO AD completely revitalised HW. In the early '80s they were in danger of disappearing up their own arses, the music was becoming too mellow, too simple. Partly that's a reflection of the times, there was new technology which sounded too clean and a lot of good bands began to produce bad albums. Basically quality studio gear seemed to make prog and hard rock musicians head straight for the AOR ground. Alan Davey was a HW fan, he understood what made HW tick and what appeals to the fans and to some extent he reintroduced it. That something is a spirit of adventure, of danger, of perpetual change. In HW Brock is a catalyst who allows others to interact around him but the band began to ossify after Levitation. Alan brought change. Having said that it's good that he's gone because the band was again starting to stagnate, getting too electonic, relying too much on samplers and sequencers. > these moments were out-weighed by his slightly crude sub-Lemmy clone > style playing and singing. Lemmy is brilliant - he is one of the all > time greats of rock and his style is _his_ style - if you accidentally > stray too close to his style then you end up sounding bad. I think that you are just plain wrong here. Lemmy plays bass like a guitar, in fact like a guitarist. He doesn't just hold down the bottom end but uses the full range of the instrument to enhance the harmonic structure of the music. He uses arpeggios and intervals to add tonality. Great, but not unique. Lemmy plays very much like Jack Bruce, John Entwhistle and Noel Redding. Sure Alan is influenced by this (didn't he learn by playing along to HW records?) but it's not Lemmy's style, it's a generic rock bass style. Would you rather he held down root notes, usually on the beat a la Harvey? Or that HW had a bass player who played slap-funk on a fretless 5-string? > Now listen to Alan trying to sing The Right Stuff (for example) and its > painful Agreed > Alan undoubtedly did contribute energy to the group at a time when they > needed it (after HLL left) but he brought in a new aspect of the sound > which to me always sounded lumpy. Not sure what you mean by *lumpy*, but AD had the misfortune to play with some awful drummers. Richard is very good but those anonymous morons before him who merely banged out a 4/4 beat... YUCK! Chris Bates From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jun 11 03:29:48 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:29:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Bedouin (Alan Davey) Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > the ep is not out yet, as i heard last weekend. > as for captured, it has been out for 7 eons. dont know who ya ordered it > from, but > call them and tell them not to hold it for the lis ep.(if you ordered them > together, some > dealers will hold what they have till the other comes in.) > rj Rj: Thanx-don't think my music mgr. friend did that-if somethings not in, the dealer will send the rest anyway:) Helps!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Ian R Fines writes: > >Huw joined them on stage for the last two numbers - you could hear him > >in Ejection but he got lost along with everyone else in Needle Gun - > >but > >what a terrific conclusion - they should always end on a powerful > >track > >that that. > > Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > Gun? mebbe in previous incarnations but you might have enjoyed this version. The vocals were unfortunately transmuted into some kind of electronic fuzz by the on-stage gremlins but with three guitars playing fast and hard it was a pretty powerful sound! Heck even I was jigging around enthusiastically - and if anyone got trampled on by a small female person carrying around a large blue rucksack then I apologise now...... unreservedly 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 06:55:36 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:55:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706111019.LAA15899@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706111019.LAA15899 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >Having been on this list a while, I don't think bringing up Live Chronicles >is likely to alter Andy's opinion of COTBS one iota ! Or is this a call to get >Steve Swann on your side ? Eh? Who's Steve Swann? I really do believe that the Black Sword was a fine moment in HW's history and that's the only reason I had to reply to Andy's comments! Having said that, I do think they could have done a lot better with the video, especially having been at Hammersmith and knowing what they didn't include. Mark From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 15:09:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:09:39 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Chan the Man Message-ID: This is gruesomely off-topic, but I couldn't resist :) http://www.theonion.com/onion3120/hongkongchan.html From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 11 10:32:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:32:27 -0400 Subject: BS WEST COAST TOUR. Message-ID: Manuel: >From my web page, The Brain Surgeons "Post-Op" (http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/) Tour Dates June 13, Toronto, El Mocambo June 14, Buffalo, Star Bar July 25, Seattle, TBA July 26, Portland, Berbarati's Pan July 29, San Francisco, Crocodrie July 30, Fresno, CA, Fulton Mall Aug 1, LA, TBA Aug 2, San Diego, the Casbah I think the locations for the Seattle and LA gigs may be nailed down, a and I believe Bolle is working on getting a second LA gig for them, but you'll need to check with Al for more precise info. John From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jun 11 11:48:35 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:48:35 +1000 Subject: OFF: test! please ignore! Message-ID: At 07:18 PM 10/06/97 +0200, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >En massa skit som inte betyder n?gonting om man bara tralalala >hoppla hfdhjsfdjhsdf jag har inga pengar som vanligt jkfdjkfdjkl. > Du har inte pengar. Jag f?rst?r. Jag har inte pengar ocks?. Jag beh?ver en ny Svenska l?rare. See you in November. Troy >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) > >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >S-39 236 KALMAR >SWEDEN >0480-245 11 > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 10:12:41 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:12:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706111148.MAA18240@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706111148.MAA18240 at teak.shu.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >IMO AD completely revitalised HW. In the early '80s they were >in danger of disappearing up their own arses, the music was >becoming too mellow, too simple. This early 80s phenomina you refer to was indeed most puzzling and I never knew what the cause of it was. I felt that round about '83, they completely lost direction and for some reason couldn't get a major contract signed. I was dreading the fact that they might throw in the towel. I wouldn't necessarily say that it was a reflection of technology but clearly something went AWOL from the HW drive. This wasn't helped with releases like Zones or This is Hawkwind - not that they are bad albums but they didn't seem to have much new creativity in them (most of it was recycled of course). Then after that long lean period, finally COTBS came out and was a real bona fida new studio album. I rushed home to play it only to be disappointed by its "home studio" sound but quickly found that the heart of the music was really good. Now, if Davey was responsible for injecting this new energy then I'm really grateful to him because COTBS is a real HW achievement in my view. After COTBS, if memory serves correct, the next studio album was Xenon Codex and it was here that I started to feel what I considered an uneasy quality of the sound which I earlier refered to as being "lumpy". The Davey penned tracks in this album are the best example of what I mean - they sound convoluted almost as if someone was trying to write songs in a Hawkwind style. Unfortunately, Xenon Codex was a major let down and the only decent track which I still listen to is Wastelands of Sleep (although the beginning to the first track is really exciting). Then came Space Bandits and no Hugh! Bandits I thought was a really terrible album and I can't even remember any track names off it. We also had to put up with Bridgit Whotsit (Wiseheart?) who had a terribly weak voice and seemed totally out of place. I was beginning to get disenchanted and things only got worse with Palace Springs! Three duffers in a row - what the hell was going on? Maybe unfairly or maybe through predujice, I attributed this decline to Davey. I don't want to malign the guy unfairly or be grossly inaccurate in my comments but I didn't enjoy the one of the best groups of all time doing the stuff we got on those three GWR releases. One thing I will praise Davey for though was his obvious total commitment, work rate and sense of enjoyment. I never got that feeling from Bainbridge but then I never felt he was a real bassist anyway. >Or that HW had a bass player who played slap-funk on a fretless 5-string? Well, actually a friend of mine played slap/funk/rock style bass, we both enjoyed jamming along to HW riffs and the resultant sound was really good fun! I have some old tapes of us doing Space is Deep with slap bass bits in it somewhere - could be an interesting combination for Hawkwind to try! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 09:34:07 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:34:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <01BC765F.EB457660@host5-99-53-189.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC765F.EB457660 at host5-99-53-189.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes > >Hahaha! No it isn't! (Well, "Sleep of a thousand tears" is OK., I guess.) > Not to mention Zarozinia, Shade Gate, Needle Gun (God, am I the _only_ person who likes that song?!), Sea King, Song of the Swords, Horn of Fate, errr, doesn't leave much else does it? Anyway, its all down to personal taste of course. >(And I also promised myself not to make the "Solitary Hand Games" joke >again, but it still makes me laugh :) Arf!!! Me too! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 17:03:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:03:31 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: Well, I quite like CotBS and Live Chronicles as well. Not all the tracks are great, but I'd say I like most of them (yes, including Needle Gun :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 17:17:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:17:28 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 15.12 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: > This early 80s phenomina you refer to was indeed most puzzling and I > never knew what the cause of it was. I always felt the RCA albums were rather dodgy. > This wasn't helped > with releases like Zones or This is Hawkwind - not that they are bad > albums but they didn't seem to have much new creativity in them (most of > it was recycled of course). Zones was pretty grim, though _This is Hawkwind_ was almost worth it for the rocked-up Psi Power :) > Unfortunately, Xenon Codex was a major let down and the only > decent track which I still listen to is Wastelands of Sleep (although > the beginning to the first track is really exciting). Actually, I like a lot of Xenon Codex. I even like the Good Evening track which people usually slag off. It was humorous :) > Then came Space > Bandits and no Hugh! Bandits I thought was a really terrible album and I > can't even remember any track names off it. We also had to put up with > Bridgit Whotsit (Wiseheart?) who had a terribly weak voice and seemed > totally out of place. Actually, I thought "Images" was easily the best track off the album. I didn't think much of the rest of it. "Out of the Shadows" ruled live, but sucked on _Space Bandits_. > I was beginning to get disenchanted and things > only got worse with Palace Springs! Blasphemy!! :) Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW tracks! And on the last few albums, Alan had some great tracks: Sputnick Stan, LSD. And his collaborations with Brock I liked as well: Right to Decide. On the other hand, I thought he mucked about with synths too much. In an ideal world I wouldn't let Brock near them either :) I'd hire on Del :) Cheers, Carl From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 07:14:42 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706111053.LAA09406@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706111053.LAA09406 at cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >I like Live Chronicles (at least on album; I didn't see the show), but I >still think COTBS is a very poor album. God, if you think this was a very poor album, how the hell do you rate IITBOTFTBD or The White Zone or Space Bandits or LiS (which I'm not particulaly won over to yet although I like the video for some reason). Mark From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 11 13:01:48 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:01:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl writes: > On ons 11 jun 1997 15.12 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: > > This wasn't helped > > with releases like Zones or This is Hawkwind - not that they are bad > > albums but they didn't seem to have much new creativity in them (most of > > it was recycled of course). > > Zones was pretty grim, though _This is Hawkwind_ was almost worth it > for the rocked-up Psi Power :) Actually, _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ was the first Hawkwind album I ever heard. In fact, "Psi Power" was the first Hawkwind track that ever sonically attacked my senses, drifting as it did out of a roommate's room one fine day. The blend of hard driving music coupled with weird sci-fi lyrics piqued my attention and curiosity irrevocably. Next thing I know, I'm going "'Ere Dave, who the hell is *that*??" I was hooked, and I don't think my wallet has ever forgiven me since... ;-) So, _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ is single-handedly responsible for converting at least this Hawkfan, so I guess it can't be all bad, can it? (I still have a big soft spot for it, and still think it "really rocks.") Cheers, Paul. obCD: Slayer, _Reign in Blood_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 13:11:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:11:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds' mail of Wed, 11 Jun 97 12:14 +0100 Message-ID: On 11 Jun 12:14, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >I like Live Chronicles (at least on album; I didn't see the show), but I > >still think COTBS is a very poor album. > > God, if you think this was a very poor album, how the hell do you rate > IITBOTFTBD or The White Zone or Space Bandits or LiS (which I'm not > particulaly won over to yet although I like the video for some reason). LiS is brilliant (at least after the first few tracks). Blue Skin is a really kicking track, Alien I Am, Sputnik Stan, Robot and Love In Space are all really good, Vega and Elfin are good spacey instrumentals, I like the way all the layers then peel away for a really raw Silver Machine, and the version of Assassins that begins with the quiet of Space Is Their and builds up to a climax is also good. Space Bandits starts off really well, but then palls. Images rocks -- and the violin solo is terrific! Black Elk Speaks is a good mood piece. I like the live versions of Out Of The Shadows and TV Suicide much more than the studio ones. Ship Of Dreams is an OK instrumental but without anything decent around it, it doesn't do much for me. IITBOTFTBD is a pretty good set of instrumentals, although a couple of them go on too long. Tibet Is Not China and Wave Upon Wave are excellent. The songs provide a good bit of variety. I don't like The White Zone as much, but I play it now and again when I want some unintrusive background music. Then again, I don't consider it to be a Hawkwind album as such. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 12:52:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:52:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <$nawYCA$6lnzEwZk@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <$nawYCA$6lnzEwZk at mmje.demon.co.uk>, Mark Edmonds writes >I really love COTBS >despite is rough edits and odd sound and if you think the music _is_ >weak, then just check out how well it transfered into the powerful live >show Live Chronicles. Yeah, Alan's bass on LC really *thundered* didn't it? ;-) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 13:04:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:04:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >Eh? Who's Steve Swann? Cryptically enough, Mark, you are! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 13:01:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:01:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >After COTBS, >if memory serves correct, the next studio album was Xenon Codex and it >was here that I started to feel what I considered an uneasy quality of >the sound which I earlier refered to as being "lumpy". The Davey penned >tracks in this album are the best example of what I mean - they sound >convoluted almost as if someone was trying to write songs in a Hawkwind >style. and succeeding. Sword Of The East is one of my all time top tracks. > Unfortunately, Xenon Codex was a major let down and the only >decent track which I still listen to is Wastelands of Sleep you don't like "Heads"? Crumbs! -- Jon Browne From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Wed Jun 11 14:56:19 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:56:19 +0100 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: For sale by established rock photographer, sets of photographs of Huw Lloyd Langton. Huw has seen these photographs himself and likes them. They have all been taken in the last six months. The photos are all six by four inch full colour glossy. 2 sets available. 5 prints per set. Set 1: Huw alone Set 2: Huw with Lloyd Langton Group Prices:(sterling or eurocheque only please) 5 pounds sterling per set Postage and packing for one or two sets: 75p UK 1 pound Europe 2 pound rest of world Cheques payable to J. Douglas Address Rockshots 15 Rochester Gardens Coal Hill Lane Rodley Leeds LS13 1PP UK From ChStier at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 15:08:50 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:08:50 -0400 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: Hi Folks, I haven't seen much discussion on this lately so I apologize if this is old news. Has anyone gotten a a copy of Nik's SA 2001 yet? And if so, what are your thoughts on it? I just had my copy appear in my mail bin at work so I won't have a chance to check it out till later tonight... It does feature liner notes by Dave Thompson and the track listing is as follows: Horus Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack The Weighing Of Heart & Negative Confession (Travel Mix) Anubian Light Destiny Opa-Loka You Shouldn't Do That (SR Rehearsal) Grid Coordinate: Vorp One Toth Arc Of Ra Thanks for the space. BTW, I'm looking at a nice fat vacation and will have some time on my hands. If anyone's into trading some tapes, both HW or BOC, please drop me a line. Thanks Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 11 15:26:25 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:26:25 -0400 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 In-Reply-To: <970611150831_-1832476347@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Chris Stier wrote: > I haven't seen much discussion on this lately so I apologize if this is old > news. Has anyone gotten a a copy of Nik's SA 2001 yet? And if so, what are > your thoughts on it? I just had my copy appear in my mail bin at work so I > won't have a chance to check it out till later tonight... The album turned up at my local shop about a fortnight ago. I didn't buy it, because I was put off by the "...all tracks licensed from Cleopatra Records" (or similar-sounding disclaimer) on the back, which made it seem to me that this was just a compilation of Nik's (+ F&R) Cleopatra releases with maybe a bonus unreleased track thrown in to tempt the Kollector. Hopefully, after you've listened to it, you can tell us all this isn't so. Looking forward to your review... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Peter Tosh, _Legalize It_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ChStier at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 15:46:49 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:46:49 -0400 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote >>to me that this was just a compilation of Nik's (+ F&R) Cleopatra releases >>with maybe a bonus unreleased track thrown in to tempt the Kollector. >>Hopefully, after you've listened to it, you can tell us all this isn't so. Yep, I was sort of put off by that as well. I'm assuming the unreleased tracks (World Wide CD claims there's more than one) are the SR Rehearsal and I guess Grid Coordinate: Vorp One since it's kind of hard to get "Xinithtoday" (sp?) today. Well, I listened to a bit of it so far on my computer's CD player but still need to do a A B comparison of some of the live tracks but this might be another item for the Kollector. But that's me of course ;-) Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jun 11 16:11:08 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:11:08 -0400 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 In-Reply-To: <970611154638_406909534@emout03.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Chris Stier wrote: > Yep, I was sort of put off by that as well. I'm assuming the unreleased > tracks (World Wide CD claims there's more than one) are the SR Rehearsal and > I guess Grid Coordinate: Vorp One since it's kind of hard to get > "Xinithtoday" (sp?) today. I thought "Grid Coordinate: Vorp One" was from the Anubian Lights _Eternal Sky_ album? I think the best bet for unreleased tracks is, as you say, the SR rehearsal stuff. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _The Fillmore Concerts_ From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 11 16:40:28 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:40:28 -0600 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: When I was a young lad back in the 70's; I took a lot of verbal abuse from my auntie. She felt that BOC was demonic and a bad influence to kids in general. Now, as a parent, I find myself pondering such things. Is BOC music acceptable to me as an adult? After seeing the shock rock band GWAR (Jerry Springer Show) and the recent flap over Marilyn Manson I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The alternatives are frightening. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L In the Player - King's X (self titled) From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 11 17:23:05 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:23:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: At 07:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >> Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle >> Gun? > >yes. > >rj No, I don't really like the song either. Of all HW songs, it always seemed a shame to me that Needle Gun had to become sort of a minor "hit" among the fans. I'd rather hear almost any other song! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Wed Jun 11 17:23:34 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:23:34 +0400 Subject: OFF: Spacey Tar Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > ...it's the coolest cigarette package I ever have seen... > (It's a lithuanian brand and despite what you may think of > cigarrettes from this contry -they're really good... and strong... 19mg tar) Well, it's really a lithuanian variation of a russian (or soviet, if you like) brand of sigarettes named Kosmos. Can't say if they good or bad although (I'm a non-smoker). Yuri From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 11 17:29:51 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:29:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) Message-ID: At 12:40 AM 6/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle >>Gun? > >I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the Black Sword album - I think you're onto something here. In retrospect, I think I can conclude that Chronicle of the Black Sword is the worst ever HW album, featuring the worst-ever HW song ("Song of the Swords"). Had they gone totally nuts in 1985? They genuinely thought they were a metal band! Look at the band photo even! Good God! One would think they were BOC or something (ha ha, insult only half-intended)! Thank goodness they dropped the heavy metal idiocy (not to mention Danny Thompson, the worst-ever drummer) and got back on course! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 11 17:32:58 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:32:58 -0500 Subject: HW: More Black Sword Message-ID: >Oh, the album artwork was pretty shit as >well. actually I liked the album art on Chronicle of the Black Sword. I like all the covers done by Coulthart and Walker. I still think that psychedelic comic book-like art is great for HW. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jun 11 17:07:38 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:07:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >> Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike >Needle >> Gun? > >mebbe in previous incarnations but you might have enjoyed this >version. >The vocals were unfortunately transmuted into some kind of electronic >fuzz by the on-stage gremlins but with three guitars playing fast and >hard it was a pretty powerful sound! Heck even I was jigging around >enthusiastically - and if anyone got trampled on by a small female >person carrying around a large blue rucksack then I apologise >now...... >unreservedly 8-) Hey, I _know_ I would have enjoyed it, that's not the point. Believe me, I would enjoy anything the Hawks play live, just get them overseas first! From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jun 11 17:21:31 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:21:31 -0400 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: >BTW, I'm looking at a nice fat vacation and will have some time on my >hands. > If anyone's into trading some tapes, both HW or BOC, please drop me a >line. Chris-- Are you in the US? If so, I have some tapes to trade with: Tape Length City/Venue Date Sound Quality HAWKWIND: 90 Darmstadt, Germany 6/71 VG 60 Paris Cinema, London 9/28/72 EX 90 Liverpool Stadium, England 12/12/72 VG+ 2/60 Ford Auditorium, Detroit 11/28/73 G+ 90 Sundown, Edmonton, England 1/26/74 VG+ 90 Salle Pleyel, Paris, France 4/23/77 VG+ 90 St. George?s Hall, Bradford 6/7/77 VG 60 Old Waldorf, San Francisco 3/27/78 VG 90 Hammersmith Odeon, London 10/13/78 VG 90 Rotters, Doncaster 11/10/80 EX 90 Batchkapp, Frankfurt, Germany 5/26/87 EX 90 Bogart?s, Long Beach, CA 12/22/90 VG+ Do you need any of these? From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 17:33:46 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:33:46 -0400 Subject: MOTORHEAD Message-ID: Lemmy will be in NYC on 6/13, Irving Plaza..........Although Motorhead will go on before WASP I was assured thatMotorhead will play at least 1 1/2 Hrs.. regards, Bill Stewart From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 11 17:41:17 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:41:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: > I always felt the RCA albums were rather dodgy. > >> This wasn't helped >> with releases like Zones or This is Hawkwind - not that they are bad >> albums but they didn't seem to have much new creativity in them (most of >> it was recycled of course). I'm amazed to hear someone say such things! "This is Hawkwind" gives me faith in the band's ability! It's a really solid live album with some of the best playing that has been committed to record! I really like that one a lot! Even Zones is pretty cool, but I know what you mean about the recycled tracks, which is certainly a disturbing trend. >> I was beginning to get disenchanted and things >> only got worse with Palace Springs! > > Blasphemy!! :) > Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space >Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of >it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW >tracks! yeah, I have to agree that Palace Springs is one of the best-ever albums. Acid Test is great, along with the rest. I was hugely impressed when this record came out because it convinced me that Hawkwind were not going down the tubes, but continuing to release really good stuff. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 17:42:49 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:42:49 -0400 Subject: BS WEST COAST TOUR. Message-ID: The only addition to John's post is from the most recent update Al posted on the AOL tBS board (from 6/5/97). I don't recall any more recent info. 7/25 show in Seattle at Sit and Spin (he said most likely) Thursday, 8/3 Spaceland LA (he said probably) Either 8/1 or 8/2 at the Casbah in San Diego he also said they were working (with Bolle) on at least one other gig Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jun 11 18:41:15 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:41:15 -0600 Subject: BS WEST COAST TOUR. In-Reply-To: <199706111432.KAA13088@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Thank you for the info. Looks like we may finally see the BS after 3 yrs. of waiting. Too bad I don't live in the East Coast!!! You guys have all these little towns and cities to go to shows at. Thank you & God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 23:49:27 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:49:27 GMT+0100 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 14.40 "BREVARD Adrian R." wrote: > After seeing the shock rock > band GWAR (Jerry Springer Show) and the recent flap over Marilyn Manson > I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to > see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The > alternatives are frightening. Ozzy is pretty tame--the worst thing any one will see his him moon the audience (which is probably pretty bad ;) GWAR is just a piss take, really. A big joke. And Marilyn Manson is the triumph of image. What's better than marketable deviance. Nothing really very scary here. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 11 23:53:35 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:53:35 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 16.29 "John Majka" wrote: > In retrospect, I think I can conclude > that Chronicle of the Black Sword is the worst ever HW album, No way, dude :) _IITBOTFTBD_ still gets my vote as most crap HW, competing serious with the pre-CotBS 80s material. > featuring the > worst-ever HW song ("Song of the Swords"). No way, dude :) That was a great song! > Thank goodness they dropped the heavy metal > idiocy (not to mention Danny Thompson, the worst-ever drummer) and got > back on course! Well, I'll concede the Danny Thompson, Jr. bit ... :) Cheers, Carl From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 11 10:50:29 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:50:29 +0100 Subject: From The Sun, 10th June Message-ID: Just found this little quote which might cause amusement. Turns out that some cannabis plants were found growing outside the police HQ in Bath, Somerset. This find came on the first anniverasry of the county force's Operation Trident, a huge anti-drugs drive. When the plants were pointed out to the station, a spokesman said "We're no dopes. It is hard to spot these plants in their infancy, especially when the're among other vegetation... ... We will be mounting a joint investigation with our drugs squad officers". I wonder what their assesment of the weed will be!! From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 20:25:18 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:25:18 -0400 Subject: BS WEST COAST TOUR. Message-ID: Still waiting to see tBS here! I'm down in the south...and still hoping for a southern visit from the Surgeons...just something within driving distance, Al! Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 11 20:48:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:48:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: > > Sure, there have been some great Davey influenced moments which wouldn`t > > have been there if he wasn`t in the group > > IMO AD completely revitalised HW. In the early '80s they were > in danger of disappearing up their own arses, the music was > becoming too mellow, too simple. Partly that's a reflection of > the times, there was new technology which sounded too clean and > a lot of good bands began to produce bad albums. Basically > quality studio gear seemed to make prog and hard rock musicians > head straight for the AOR ground. 100% agreement here. > Alan Davey was a HW fan, he understood what made HW tick and what > appeals to the fans and to some extent he reintroduced it. That > something is a spirit of adventure, of danger, of perpetual change. > In HW Brock is a catalyst who allows others to interact around him > but the band began to ossify after Levitation. Alan brought change. > Having said that it's good that he's gone because the band was > again starting to stagnate, getting too electonic, relying too > much on samplers and sequencers. the sequencers and such were Brock's baby. alan mentioned to me once how stifling it was that their set list was unchangeable, because it would mean dave would have to reprogram his machines. the addition of a power-guitar will certainly liven things up. but a certain percentage of hawkwind's magic has departed. (for me) > > these moments were out-weighed by his slightly crude sub-Lemmy clone > > style playing and singing. Lemmy is brilliant - he is one of the all > > time greats of rock and his style is _his_ style - if you accidentally > > stray too close to his style then you end up sounding bad. > > I think that you are just plain wrong here. Lemmy plays bass like > a guitar, in fact like a guitarist. He doesn't just hold down the > bottom end but uses the full range of the instrument to enhance the > harmonic structure of the music. He uses arpeggios and intervals > to add tonality. Great, but not unique. Lemmy plays very much like > Jack Bruce, John Entwhistle and Noel Redding. Sure Alan is > influenced by this (didn't he learn by playing along to HW records?) > but it's not Lemmy's style, it's a generic rock bass style. Would > you rather he held down root notes, usually on the beat a la Harvey? > Or that HW had a bass player who played slap-funk on a fretless 5-string? once again, lemmy is the reason alan learned to play bass. dave is a part of the reason alan played bass like lemmy. dave wanted a lemmy clone, and so he got it. alan's solo stuff does not sound like lemmy. it sounds like alan. > > Now listen to Alan trying to sing The Right Stuff (for example) and its > > painful > > Agreed disputed. > > Alan undoubtedly did contribute energy to the group at a time when they > > needed it (after HLL left) but he brought in a new aspect of the sound > > which to me always sounded lumpy. > > Not sure what you mean by *lumpy*, but AD had the misfortune to play > with some awful drummers. Richard is very good but those anonymous > morons before him who merely banged out a 4/4 beat... YUCK! one drummer is as good as the next for me, i like richard as a person. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 11 20:58:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:58:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: > and succeeding. Sword Of The East is one of my all time top tracks. i second that! im not gonna reply to these 'this sux' posts any more. its hard not to, it 'sux' hearing yer favorite music slammed. there is very little that i do not _really_ like, and even less that i dislike. if i didnt like as much as i do by the band, then there is no way i could justify subscribing to this list. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 11 21:02:06 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:02:06 -0400 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: > > When I was a young lad back in the 70's; I took a lot of verbal abuse > from my auntie. She felt that BOC was demonic and a bad influence to > kids in general. Now, as a parent, I find myself pondering such things. > Is BOC music acceptable to me as an adult? After seeing the shock rock > band GWAR (Jerry Springer Show) and the recent flap over Marilyn Manson > I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to > see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The > alternatives are frightening. this is hard to respond to and remain 'politically correct.' so i guess i better not. but- don't worry about what they listen to. you listened to it, how many sheep have you raped? none, right? right? JUST KIDDING if they start to mimic dearest marylin or whatever its name is, then worry. rj > > L8er > > lil' ab > > Grind time for old misconceptions. > Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. > Won't salute you. Won't desert you. > > sp00L > > In the Player - King's X (self titled) From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 21:44:29 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:44:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-11 17:46:00 EDT, you write: << Thank goodness they dropped the heavy metal idiocy (not to mention Danny Thompson, the worst-ever drummer) and got back on course! John Majka >> Let us not forget Danny Thompson's wonderful nicknames of "D. T. Turbine" and "Dr. Demonspeed" (as per The Xenon Codex). Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 21:58:45 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:58:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Palace Springs Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-11 17:43:55 EDT, you write: << >> I was beginning to get disenchanted and things >> only got worse with Palace Springs! > > Blasphemy!! :) > Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space >Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of >it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW >tracks! yeah, I have to agree that Palace Springs is one of the best-ever albums. snip snip snip 8<-------------------------------------- John Majka >> I'll put in another vote for Palace Springs as being one of my personal faves. The "Back in the Box" track is great, except for Bridgett Wishart's vocals on it can make my teeth hurt. I like her singing in other songs, but I never liked her part as the androgynous TV-fed creature that needs to get back in her box. And I will stand up for "Acid Test". It ain't Mozart, but I wouldn't call it awful. As William Shatner once said in a recent interview "When all of your work on the cutting edge, sometimes you fall off the edge." This was actually in reference to HIS singing attempts with "Rocket Man" and "Tambourine Man". Palace Springs was the third Hawkwind album I ever bought. In fact, I bought a CD player just so I could buy this album. This was way back in 1991 and I had just FINALLY found a store that carried Hawkwind albums on cassette, with a total selection of TWO albums (Anthology 2 and Space Pirates). All of you in the UK don't know how lucky you have it at finding Hawkwind albums. I live in Los Angeles county, and it took me FOREVER to find stores that carry the Hawkz. Of course once I did buy that CD player, the floodgates opened and now I have 29 Hawkalbums on CD. I never did find any more albums on cassette. Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 11 22:12:03 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:12:03 -0400 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-11 16:55:18 EDT, you write: << I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The alternatives are frightening. L8er lil' ab >> What the heck is wrong with Ozzy? I've seen him several times (including the one final (?) performance reunion with EVERY member of the original Black Sabbath) and I have never noticed anything that a parent might take offence to in the show (except the occasional naughty word). I am also going to see him at Oz Fest later this month (along with about nine million other bands, including the afore-mentioned Marilyn Manson). Actually, on the subject of Marilyn, I also saw them in concert recently. Actually, dragged to the concert is more like it. My fiancee and her younger brother wanted to go, but admittedly were a bit afraid of the show, much like you. Therefore, I was taken along as chaparone/bodyguard. This isn't so bad, really, I enjoy some of their songs. What we saw was a show, a really BIG show. This included different backdrops, costume changes, props, platforms, and so on. The band really went all out at looking evil, with a backdrop of a ruined church and angels on stakes, but it was nothing you wouldn't see in the movie "The Prophecy". The crowd was excited to see Marilyn, but they were surprisingly tame. No fights, no riots, no murders, no human sacrifices, just a big show and everyone enjoying their favorite band performing live. It really reminded me of KISS from the 70s. I wouldn't take an 11 year old to see Marilyn, but I think that an older teenager will have no difficulty in differentiating fantasy from reality. Tony From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Wed Jun 11 22:36:39 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:36:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Hi, I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. I never used to like Hawkwind until I read the Elric series. After I told my dad I liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is one of my favorite bands. Live Chronicles is the first one I have ever heard, and I really can't explain why, but it's still my all around favorite Hawkwind album. My point is, I don't see how any one can dislike the album totally. I don't like every single song on there, but the songs I do like (Song of the Swords, The Sea King, Dreaming City, Moonglum and ESPECIALLY Needle Gun) are, I think, have some very awesome guitar work (Huw). I mean, who cares if it's not the exact type of music they always do. I think it's good to have a combination of slightly diffrent types of music. I know that Hawkwind tries some songs that are radically diffrent. Some of em make it, some of em don't. Like, compare Zarozina or Wastlands of Sleep to Angels of Death and Motorhead. If you never knew of Hawkwind, you would probably never know there the same band at all. So, if you don't like Live Chronicles or the studio version (BTW, nay one have the newer CD with the track Arioch on it? Awesome, fast paced song.), listen to it without comparing it to an other Hawkwind songs around. Thats how I got into more Hawkwind songs. I literally hated all but Chronicles because it was diffrent from a lot of there other stuff. So, I didn't compare and now I like a lot of there stuff. I'm real sorry if I trailed off or something, I just felt like putting my two cents in. C-ya! P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine are (not in any order) Live Chronicles, Levitaion, Mighty Hawkwind Classics, Out and Intake and Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Any of you like Days of the Underground? I think it's weird, but pretty cool) Jeff -- Given a 50/50 chance, you will be wrong 90% of the time. From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Jun 11 23:09:49 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:09:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the sword&sorcery setting). -Ken the heretic From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 12 00:27:21 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:27:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: >At 07:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle >>> Gun? >> >>yes. >> >>rj > >No, I don't really like the song either. Of all HW songs, it always seemed >a shame to me that Needle Gun had to become sort of a minor "hit" among the >fans. I'd rather hear almost any other song! Cue up Techno Tropic Zone...... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 12 00:27:25 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:27:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >Hi, > > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just >wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 Not that I know of, but don't let that stop you... > Live Chronicles is the first one I have ever heard, and I really >can't explain why, but it's still my all around favorite Hawkwind album. It's the first one I liked (having heard IITBOTFTBD before it) and remains a favorite of mine... I particularly miss the Huw stuff in the studio version of the album (Moonglum, D&F, RP...) >P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums >so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine are >(not in any order) > >Live Chronicles, Levitaion, Mighty Hawkwind Classics, Out and Intake and >Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Any of you like Days of the Underground? I >think it's weird, but pretty cool) Those are some of my favorites too, especially Levitation (which also gets trashed on here by some...). It really goes by mood, I guess. There are times when Space Bandits or Church are what I want to hear, but I can't really call them my favorites. HotMG, The Business Trip, WotEoT are probably my favorites apart from Live Chronicles. Since everyone else seems to trash some of my favorite Hawkwind Albums I'll add that the one I really don't like from the early stuff is Space Ritual. I mean, I like the songs on it on other albums, but it never does anything really for me. And I can't stand Brainstorm in any form. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 12 00:27:27 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:27:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, >*except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" >stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the >sword&sorcery setting). It fits both on the surface (Jerry Cornelius as an aspect of the Eternal Champion) and beneath (Stormbringer as a drug for Elric)... Evil Needle.... 'ts my favorite track on Live Chronicles. On CotBS I like the first half of Elric the Enchanter, which I wish they'd done live but oh well. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jun 12 00:34:25 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:34:25 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Buffalo show Message-ID: On June 10 Ed Stenger wrote: >My buddy and I plan on going to the show in Buffalo this Saturday. >But we need directions to the Star Bar- I can't find a listing for it >in the online yellow pages for Buffalo. Al, Deb, anyone? >If we have to we'll just go to Buffalo and start lookin- but it's be nice >to know where we were going. Anyone else going?! I'm pumped. Been >looking forward to this since Eponymous came out. Glad tBS are finally >heading west. The Star Bar is on 414 Pearl Street which I'm told is near Chippawa. The number of the club is 716-847-1856. Call them for specific directions. See ya there! Al From ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM Thu Jun 12 00:01:48 1997 From: ALAN_TROUP at NOVELL.COM (Alan Troup) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:01:48 -0700 Subject: HW: Black Sword -Reply Message-ID: I, too, rank Live Chronicles as one of my favorites. >After I told my dad I liked them (he got me i nterested) You have a cool dad. I'm 35. >like every single song on there, but the songs I do >like (Song of the Swords, The Sea King, Dreaming City, >Moonglum and ESPECIALLY Needle Gun) I like those too - the version of Magnu took a bit of getting used to tho. > I think it's good to have a combination of slightly diffrent >types of music. Rush is also outstanding in this way. >P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite >Hawkwind albums so I can get a good idea of whats >out there. The order can vary depending on the day, but they are: Warrior on the Edge of Time, Space Ritual, Hall of the Mountain Grill, Do Re Mi, and Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music. Close next are Live Chronicles and Out and Intake. I played and played those first five to death on vinyl, and when the CDs came out I was eternally grateful (except I've never seen ASAM on CD). Seeya! Alan From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Jun 12 03:43:24 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:43:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Needle Gun (& others) Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >At 07:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>> > >>> Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > >>> Gun? > >> > >>yes. > >> > >>rj > > > >No, I don't really like the song either. Of all HW songs, it always seemed > >a shame to me that Needle Gun had to become sort of a minor "hit" among the > >fans. I'd rather hear almost any other song! > > Cue up Techno Tropic Zone...... Well, I guess I should chime in, here, to put my 0.05 buckazoids in. Black Sword: Well, often, I don't like it, but when I'm in the mood for it, such as when I've been (over) indulging in alcoholic beverages, I tend to love it. The video, though, I doubt I will ever like (on account of the stupid Elric person). Live Chronicles, on the other hand is great. Palace Springs: Yes, I love this album. And has anyone ever noticed that in the middle of one of the songs, I can't remember which, the tune transforms into "Bela Legosi's Dead" by a certain gothic(ish) band. It's exactly the same, to my slightly warped ears... IITBOTFTBD: Well, I don't actually own this album, but a friend of mine does, and we have has some very *strange* experiences whilst listening to it, so I have my own er... sentimental links to it. This being said, I actualy like it a lot. IMHO it's far better than Xenon Codex. I don't have Yuri Gagrin, so I can't comment on that, but my personal nomination for the worst HW (related) album is Pinkwind Festival of the Sun. Now, that's crap. So that's my little bit. - Max Wilcox From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 12 03:53:28 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:53:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Not out of place when you consider that it too is based on Moorcock's writing. Still, I don't like the track myself. I think that one day the band were sitting around bored and somebody said: "I know guys, lets write a song that we can release as a single, that will get into the top 40 with a good catchy lyric. Aww, come on, it'll be a real laugh!" ---------- From: Ken Alexander[SMTP:kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU] Sent: 12 June 1997 04:09 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Black Sword Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the sword&sorcery setting). -Ken the heretic From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 12 04:04:39 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:04:39 -0600 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > > When I was a young lad back in the 70's; I took a lot of verbal abuse > from my auntie. She felt that BOC was demonic and a bad influence to > kids in general. Now, as a parent, I find myself pondering such things. > Is BOC music acceptable to me as an adult? After seeing the shock rock > band GWAR (Jerry Springer Show) and the recent flap over Marilyn Manson > I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to > see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The > alternatives are frightening. Goodness-what a great point made here!!! I have a tendancy to enjoy the music-not be chased away from it!! If that's music, then what we wnjoy is frightfully exotic!!! How wonderful it is!!! Alien 4: Ok-I've tried to special order this thing here. I cannot get it! Any suggestions? Thanx for any help in advance!! I'm also very curious about Gong's "Flying Teapots" CD-is it obtainable? I have a really dumb set of reasons for wanting this: 1: I'm curious. 2: I collect Teapots. of any shape or material. CD works too:) Again, thanx! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >In article , Mark Edmonds > writes >> Unfortunately, Xenon Codex was a major let down and the only >>decent track which I still listen to is Wastelands of Sleep > >you don't like "Heads"? Crumbs! Ooopps! I forgot about that one. Last night I was listening to a tape of HW @ Hammersmith Odeon 14/12/88 and the version of Heads they did then rocked like hell - it was brilliant. Yes Heads is great live but the studio track is a bit tame. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 10:02:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:02:43 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 22.36 "Jeffrey Hoyt" wrote: > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just > wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? DAMN. You win the prize. I think I was close to the youngest for a while, having joined the list when I was 20 (I think), but I've been undercut a number of times since then. > Like, compare Zarozina or Wastlands of Sleep to > Angels of Death and Motorhead. If you never knew of Hawkwind, you would > probably never know there the same band at all. You have it right there. > P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums > so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine > are (not in any order) > > Live Chronicles, Levitaion, Mighty Hawkwind Classics, Out and Intake and > Quark, Strangeness and Charm Well, probably for me (not in any order): Space Ritual, Doremi, Hall of the Mountain Grill, Palace Springs .... hmmm, I have trouble after that. Perhaps Live Chronicles. But there are a lot of individual tracks I like on albums that I don't like the whole of necessarily. I mean, I could play "Mask of Morning" from _Electric Teepee_ all day without ever needing to hear "Going to Hawaii" ;) Among my favorite tracks are certainly "Born to Go" from _SR_, "Time We Left" from _Doremi_ (or _SR2_ :), "Assault&Battery/Golden Void" from _Palace Springs_, and .... and .... and a bunch of others :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 10:04:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:04:12 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 23.09 "Ken Alexander" wrote: > Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, > *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" > stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the > sword&sorcery setting). > -Ken the heretic Heretic! ;) Well, it was a bit out of place, but I like the song anyway. However, I always found the extra repetition of the first line on the studio version a bit weird (perhaps because I was familiar with the _LC_ version first). Cheers, Carl From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 04:51:42 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:51:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <199706120427.AAA31949@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: In article <199706120427.AAA31949 at grumpy.magg.net>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes > >It's the first one I liked (having heard IITBOTFTBD before it) and remains >a favorite of mine... I particularly miss the Huw stuff in the studio >version of the album (Moonglum, D&F, RP...) > Just on the remote chance that you didn't know, the studio version of Dragons and Fables is on the Night Of The Hawks 12" EP (or Earth Ritual preview as I think it was called) and Rocky Paths is on Sonic Attack. I can't recall a studio version of Moonglum though, even from the Lloyd- Langton Group albums I used to own. Is there a studio cut of Moonglum? Incidentally, when HW played the Acid Daze thing at Finsbury Park, Huw announced Moonglum and there was such a terrific cheer that he stood back and exchanged startled glances with Dave as if in shock at the magnitude of the response! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 10:24:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:24:47 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: Well, it's been said before, but one of the truly excellent things about Hawkwind fans is that no matter what one's favorite track/album/lineup/period there's someone else out there who can scarcely stand them--and what's more probably loves all the things that you (or the person next to you) hates. And some love it all (and some hate it all, but they aren't reading the HW posts if they can help it :) The permutations are infinite. [good album title, that ...] Cheers, Carl ObCD: Amorphis, _Elegy_ ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jun 12 10:33:53 1997 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:33:53 BST Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: >> I was beginning to get disenchanted and things >> only got worse with Palace Springs! > > Blasphemy!! :) > Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space >Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of >it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW >tracks! > Hiya, I haven't posted anything for a while, but something has to be said about this. I'd seen Hawkwind twice in the late eighties, but still wasn't convinced. Then one day I saw Palace Springs going cheap in a record shop so I bought it. A week later I listened to it for the first time while me and a friend were playing computer games. I nearly changed the CD when I heard Back In A Box, but then Assault & Battery came on and both my firend and I were instantly hooked. It's a brilliant song and clearly the best version of it. Golden Void and a superb Damnation Alley are both (arguably) better than the originals. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:26:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:26:06 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 09.51 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: > Incidentally, when HW played the Acid Daze thing at Finsbury Park, Huw > announced Moonglum and there was such a terrific cheer that he stood > back and exchanged startled glances with Dave as if in shock at the > magnitude of the response! At Blackheath, I think Huw was again somewhat surprised to find "Moonglum" so popular. The audience more or less demanded it during his acoustic set. To his credit he did play it, despite apologies that he wasn't sure how it would work out on an acoustic guitar. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:31:25 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:31:25 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Palace Springs Message-ID: On ons 11 jun 1997 21.58 "Tony A. Rowe" wrote: > Palace Springs was the third Hawkwind album I ever bought. In fact, I > bought a CD player just so I could buy this album. This was way back in > 1991 and I had just FINALLY found a store that carried Hawkwind albums > on cassette, with a total selection of TWO albums (Anthology 2 and Space > Pirates). All of you in the UK don't know how lucky you have it at > finding Hawkwind albums. I live in Los Angeles county, and it took me > FOREVER to find stores that carry the Hawkz. > Of course once I did buy that CD player, the floodgates opened and now I > have 29 Hawkalbums on CD. I never did find any more albums on cassette. At the risk of re-opening the "my first HW" thread, I'll say that the first HW I got was _ISOS_ and _Palace Springs_ both as used CDs in spring 1992. These were rapidly followed by a used CD of _HotMG_. Luckily I was in Boston, apparently a real center for US Hawkfandom, judging my the number of CDs available in the shops. And luckily I already had a CD player. Well, luckily except for the effect on my bank account ;) I still have that _Palace Springs_ CD comfortably within arms reach, though the original _ISOS_ and _HotMG_ CDs were updated last year. Cheers, Carl From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Jun 12 06:31:20 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:31:20 +1000 Subject: HW: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Well, it's been said before, but one of the truly excellent things > about Hawkwind fans is that no matter what one's favorite > track/album/lineup/period there's someone else out there who can scarcely > stand them--and what's more probably loves all the things that you (or the > person next to you) hates. > > And some love it all (and some hate it all, but they aren't reading the > HW posts if they can help it :) > > The permutations are infinite. [good album title, that ...] I think Psychic TV probably have done it already.... - Max Wilcox From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 06:58:44 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:58:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: >Not to mention Zarozinia, Shade Gate, Needle Gun (God, am I the _only_ >person who likes that song?!), Sea King, Song of the Swords, Horn of >Fate, errr, doesn't leave much else does it? Anyway, its all down to >personal taste of course. There's one song on there can't remeber exact title but its about 3nd/2rd song on side 2. Spoken. Lords of chaso? Well any way its havy speaking I think and the effects on that are just perfect. "I am the ....." The words it jsut perfect. Only thing I hate about is the sudden end into the next song. I also like elric part 2 with the drums and then the guitar. I must admit I like the sound/tones of this album but as a collection of songs there' something missing. Needs a leveiation type song to make it better. may be sometihng liek choose your masks. As for live cronicals. there are better live albums! Dare I say it. The videos good because it includes the actions and that's well done so add to it but as the for the soudn of the live alubm. I don't like it. Choose ytour amsks sin't as good as orginal album version. needle gun sounds better on a live tape I ahve before that tour (cystal place 85). Agnles of deaht has been played better. Brainsotmr isn't much. Masters of the unvierse has been done better else where. And only good tracks I really like are moonglum, speaking on the video by mm before angles of death, all the other speakign bits, the keybaordy ones like shade gate (Although there is better keybaordy songs by hawkwind around). Basicly a lot of songs on the album have better versions live else where and for some of the rest versiosn which ware jsut as good leaving very few which are better. Amy be t he ecnore is different? I have jet to watch that but I know it will be good since mm sings song of the songs in a rare apperence they deiced orginaly wasn't worht issuing (Stupid!)!! Sorry for gogin on but that's my view. I'm sure someone will disagree. It's the way of the world. Timmy Langner Not as bad though as ITBOTFTBD. That has good songs on it like htis one but there they all song to much insturmneal eletronic. At least here there is some vairty. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:16:00 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:16:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: > I always felt the RCA albums were rather dodgy. FRom what I've heard the only dogy album by RCA was Church of Hawkwind. I likve sonic attack. Streets of fare may sound simalr to old song (can't rmeber which one now). Coded alngeus is good. Okay better versions of sonic attack (my favourit is oen from radio broadcast in 88 from h. Oden) but it's not the worse. And I like other songs on it as well. And choose your masks. I love that song and from what I've heard of the album (ie from the nagles of death compilation + sliver machine) that to is good. I like farnhalt 451 (is sci-fi the film any good? I assume they got title from that). it's only churhc of hawkwind I don't like to much. > Zones was pretty grim, though _This is Hawkwind_ was almost worth it >for the rocked-up Psi Power :) _This is Hawkwind_ has the best version IHMO of angles of death! GReat version of leveiation! exerlent Stonehenge decoded (jst ahsmae faded out). I like Watching hte grass grow. I did have heard better versions of PSI power. Only because the tones have been better on the guitars but still it's okay. And the rest of coruse if good. circles the lot. oay nothing knew but worht having. As for znes thats not best but it does contain some perviously unissued songs with mm on. And I love th last version of brainstorm. Waht it really needed to be was a double album with no editing of songs and some stronger ones like angles of death and leveitiation to make it better. It's just a sort of half finished album IHMO with songs fade out when they are LIVE! > Actually, I like a lot of Xenon Codex. I even like the Good Evening >track which people usually slag off. It was humorous :) I hvae jet ot hear good evening. I from the live tapes I ahve I like War I susrived and Lost chronics. Wastelands is okay but there are beter songs. What's Sword of the east like? And what is so wrong with good evening (I havn't heard it)? > Actually, I thought "Images" was easily the best track off the album. >I didn't think much of the rest of it. "Out of the Shadows" ruled live, >but sucked on _Space Bandits_. >From what I've haerd from that album I like Wings and Images. out of the shadows would have been good if they had not included that laugher and cut out the cool bit before the final verse. > > Blasphemy!! :) > Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space >Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of >it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW >tracks! I havn't heard the album but if it's like the 1990 liev lendges video then it's fine. > On the other hand, I thought he mucked about with synths too much. In >an ideal world I wouldn't let Brock near them either :) I'd hire on Del :) Aln was good on the sythms. He wrote blue shift, some stuff on alien 4 was good. There's a good intro to golden void on Buiness Trip live and I ahve better intros than that even on bootlegs I have from that tour so that was good hwoever they did to many eletronic songs on the albums. IF they can crate a good mix live why can't they do that on the albums? Why don't hawkwind just do a huge convention where all ex-members who are around and willing to do it came and play with them! Note with! not instead of but with so we could have a huge band with loads and loads of ppl jaming/playing at once. Would it work? I think it might but providing the musicans are good at keeping time and tune. Certianly I'd love to see del and alan on keybaords together. From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 06:53:42 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:53:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > This early 80s phenomina you refer to was indeed most puzzling and I > never knew what the cause of it was. I felt that round about '83, they > completely lost direction and for some reason couldn't get a major > contract signed. There's been a couple of these *lost direction* periods - the time around *Church ...*, *Zones*, *This is Hawkwind* was awful. I like *Sonic Attack* and CYM a lot and think that CotBS is brilliant. It is badly recorded and has some of the worst synth sounds I can imagine but I listened to it the other day and it really *rocks*. Had me heaadbanging on the sofa until my kids started giggling! > if memory serves correct, the next studio album was Xenon Codex and it > was here that I started to feel what I considered an uneasy quality of > the sound which I earlier refered to as being "lumpy". The Davey penned Ah, yes. I don't own *Xenon Codex* or *Space Bandits*, they're just _too_ awful. I don't know why, I mean I hate IITBOTFTBD (!) but at least it's creative, they were trying to do something interesting. In fact around then the live gigs were also awful. > totally out of place. I was beginning to get disenchanted and things > only got worse with Palace Springs! Three duffers in a row - what the But Palace Springs is excellent, varied, exciting. Lovely. Chris Bates From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:01:17 1997 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:01:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Andrew A Apold wrote: > Those are some of my favorites too, especially Levitation (which also gets > trashed on here by some...). Levitation is a stunningly good prog/hard rock album. I suspect that people on BOC-L slag it off because it isn't HW improv/blanga but is clearly composed and sounds like a proper rock album. > Since everyone else seems to trash some of my favorite Hawkwind Albums I'll add > that the one I really don't like from the early stuff is Space Ritual. > I mean, I like the songs on it on other albums, but it never does anything > really for me. And I can't stand Brainstorm in any form. Get thee behind me Satan. Repent ye sinner. Don't like SR indeed! What are you - a bloody Spice Girl or something? Chris Bates From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:27:25 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:27:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: rj said: >> > Now listen to Alan trying to sing The Right Stuff (for example) and its >> > painful >> >> Agreed > >disputed. Waht is wrong with Alan's vocals? I like them. And I t hink he did a better version of damnation ally than Bbo calvert did. Vocal wise I eprfer Alan's vocie and tone for it. However that is the only one! Bob is stil better but it jsut proves that lan IMHO has agood voice. (hey it's much better than my one so it must be good) Tim From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:41:38 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:41:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: Jeff said: > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just >wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 >and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. Hi Jeff I may be 19 but in 1992 (I was aobut 12) my borther got me into hawkwind or was it 91. Any way I was into Status quo then and I started liking the lbues (Sometihng else hgot me into) and he played me a tape someone had done for him. featurign a reange of hawkwidn sutff from masters of the unverse to images. I really liked masters of the unveirse and shouldn't do that (not all on there though) + the others and I got into them lsitneing to that. We brougth eletric TeePee and I liked osme on that but by thne I think my borther had brougth afew hawkwind ablums like shouldn't do that and I was hooked and it grow. Now my brother says I should borden my musical tasts becuase all ever I listen to is stauts quo, hawkwind or blues. But hey when there good why change! I am now hoping to go and see hawkwind for the frist time this year. other times they have plaeyd aorund chirstmas when I've had exams and it's always been in worthing which is to far form Haywards Heath. So to make up for it I'm gogin to see them twice as long as thye play at reading and oxford. Sorry for going on. I bet most ppl of this list rmeber hearing hawkwidn in the 80s or even 70s. Did any one here see hawkwind play live in 69/70? My favourit hawkwind albusm are: 1 In sreach of space - BBC live: Windsong (I tink that's the title) - hall of the mountain gril - warriro on the dge of time - Space rital I+II all get top rating and probably others but generalyt I go for concerts I like or tours I like becuase sualy there's a good song on msot albums so I can't really give a favourit. but windasonsg has to be the bets concert Iv'e got and a bootleg from 1993 cambridge isn't far behind (that's due golden void keybaord intro and Green finded demoned + studnik stan) Tim Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:53:03 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:53:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: >Is there a studio cut of Moonglum? How did HYH write the song and hawkwind reharse it. Do bands when rehasring tracks not issued on a studio album record them to play back becuase if so then may be someone has a tpae somehwere and if they do then issue it please. >Incidentally, when HW played the Acid Daze thing at Finsbury Park, Huw >announced Moonglum and there was such a terrific cheer that he stood >back and exchanged startled glances with Dave as if in shock at the >magnitude of the response! I'm not surprised at that becuase I have the tape of that gig and it's awsome but then so is every other live recording I have of it. And I think I know why it's so god. It's got a tune which I really like and on live cronicals a great keyboard intro. I happen to like nay jkeybaords which are simalr in tune to wind of change/lost conricals/blue shift and moonglum intro so if hawkwind did a whol album of sutff soundign liek that with may be words spoken over the top and some heavy bits inbetween I'd really like it alot. I like heavy hawkwind but I also like hawkwind like that but what I don't like is eletronic hawkwind like ITBOTFTBD where it's all to insturmentaly for far to long. good songs sepratly but not collectively. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 07:57:12 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:57:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: Carl said: > At Blackheath, I think Huw was again somewhat surprised to find >"Moonglum" so popular. The audience more or less demanded it during his >acoustic set. To his credit he did play it, despite apologies that he >wasn't sure how it would work out on an acoustic guitar. Did it work? Tim Langner From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 08:04:49 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:04:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706121053.LAA24602@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Chris Bates wrote: > and it really *rocks*. Had me heaadbanging on the sofa until > my kids started giggling! > With this rather fine image in everyones minds I report that the photos I took at Blackheath have generally turned out, and some of them can now be found at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/blckhth.htm I also wish to point out the for someone on the boc-l mailing list Chris Bates seems to know too much about the Spice Gurls. And as for Saturday, a message for Chris Bates; Have a good and special time of it. Congrats. Mike w PS There is a new complitation out called Spirit of the Age, and there is a MotU track on it (from the remastered ISOS) and a Pink Fairies 'Do it' From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 13:53:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:53:49 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 12.57 "langner timothy" <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> wrote: > Carl said: > >At Blackheath, I think Huw was again somewhat surprised to find > >"Moonglum" so popular. The audience more or less demanded it during > >his acoustic set. To his credit he did play it, despite apologies that > >he wasn't sure how it would work out on an acoustic guitar. > > Did it work? Seemed to. It got a enthusiastic repsonse, and I certainly enjoyed it. Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jun 12 08:54:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:54:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Swords and everything Message-ID: Just some thoughts if someone manage to read them: Dave: >Space Bandits starts off really well, but then palls. Images rocks -- and >the violin solo is terrific! Yes, but the violin is too low in the mix. That is something that really irritates me. House is a bloody excellent musician and when he's part of the crew then _I want to hear him_ . >I don't like The White Zone as much, but I play it now and again when I >want some unintrusive background music. Then again, I don't consider it >to be a Hawkwind album as such. I think it's hard to use WZ as background music 'cos I don't feel it's very unintrusive at all... on the contrary the music is demanding my attention all the time in very annoying way... But I like WZ quite a lot anyway... though I don't rate it as one of the top ten HW albums of all time... but it's definitely the best _PW_ album ever. :-) Needle Gun and Chronicles thread: I've said this before... I don't like Chronicles at all... and I certainly don't like the song Needle Gun either... though this is the only track on the CD that I listen too (!!! I don't know why... please tell me!!! ;-) ... except for the bonus tracks (Dojo release: TWIS rocks!) Brainstorm: Was it Andrew who said that he don't like Brainstorm in any form?!? F?r sjutton gubbar! I think it's extremely pleasant to load the CD-player with SR and play only Brainstorm in repeat mode... again and again and again and again and again... I sort of like doing that with the ISoS version of YSDT also. Blanga blanga blanga blanga. If I have some friends (none of them understands Hawkwind at all) at my place for a couple of beers or something they often look like they were starting to cry in any moment when I do this. I'll guess I enjoy that do. :-) ... maybe there's a little marquis de Sade hiding inside my body... mvh -Daniel Wikdahl ps Yesterday I took a three hours promenade and took a look at the Viking graves in the neighbourhood. It's a couple of hundreds of them here. There were sheeps and cute lambs (used as living lawnmowers) around the graves and I had BOC "Tyranny and Mutation" plus Kyuss "Sky Valley" in my walkman -the combination of ancient history, sweet but silly creatures and heavy rock was just PERFECT. I felt extraordinary alive and happy with everything. ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 12 08:58:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:58:44 +0100 Subject: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: >I bet most ppl of this list rmeber hearing >hawkwidn in the 80s or even 70s. Yeah, I thought "Silver Machine" was just awesome when it came out, and so did everyone else in form 2T... I keep forgetting that not everyone got into HW this way, but it seemed to be pretty much the case for most of my generation of Hawkfans. But most of that generation seemed to fall by the wayside at one of two points: either after Lemmy was sacked, or after the Hawklords split and Calvert left. I always felt I was more serious than that, and it took four or five poor albums (starting with _Levitation_) and a couple of really dire gigs before I gave up. I got back on board by hearing, completely by chance, part of a BBC "in concert" show - "The War I Survived" - and I had to check out _Xenon Codex_ after that. Which I thought was a solid piece of work, if not spectacular. And of course I had to go to the Calvert memorial show, out of respect, and that was it, I was back. So imagine my surprise on joining this list to find that people picked up on HW through the very albums that turned me off! And someone describing _Live Chronicles_ (the first HW album I didn't bother buying, because I was there, and it was one of those gigs I just described as "really dire") as "EPIC"! :) BTW, of the RCA albums, I always felt the only decent one was _Church_... 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M4 _ at .P,P?N4=8'1P4#HO+W>#`"Z C"_^?B#1?_ ^D( R at 69XB@NV"QOI$C$` MAZ ````#`! 0`0````,`$1 ``````P" $/____] ```"V "" &``````# ````````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`N M@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-X4```$````!`````````!X`+X (( 8` M`````, ```````!&`````#B%```!`````0`````````>`#T``0````4```!2 113H@``````,`#33]-P``Y4F% ` end From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 14:07:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:07:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 13.04 "sultan of swing (The)" wrote: > I report that the photos I > took at Blackheath have generally turned out, and some of them can now > be found at > > http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/blckhth.htm Wow, the fire-eater one came out great! Cheers, Carl From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 14:51:49 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:51:49 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > At 12:40 AM 6/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > >>Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > >>Gun? > > > >I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on > the Black Sword album - > > I think you're onto something here. In retrospect, I think I can conclude > that Chronicle of the Black Sword is the worst ever HW album, featuring the > worst-ever HW song ("Song of the Swords"). Had they gone totally nuts in > 1985? They genuinely thought they were a metal band! Look at the band > photo even! Good God! One would think they were BOC or something (ha ha, > insult only half-intended)! Thank goodness they dropped the heavy metal > idiocy (not to mention Danny Thompson, the worst-ever drummer) and got back > on course! I thought Hawkwind went steadily downhill from 1983 onwards. WE had Brock fighting with Turner onstage at Stonehenge about what song to play next. After that we had a couple of years of Turner doing his rock circus act, which only worked about half the time and the other half simply ruined the gigs. Then they kicked Turner out and had a pretty awful period playing at being a heavy metal band with the Live Chronicles album being a bright spot on a pretty bleak horizon. 1986 and '87 featured the worst Hawkwind gigs I've ever seen and the spew of Acid Daze, British Tribal Music, Anthology etcetera records being put out under their name brought me to give up Kollecting. I honestly thought they'd had it. Then there was a glimmer of the old style in 1989 and with Wishart in the band they came crashing back on track. I was a little worried by the tendency to fairly dull ambient tracks and I'm glad to hear they're back to being a rock band. Hopefully they'll get the synths fixed though in case they're tempted back towards HM. > John Majka FoFP From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 09:55:17 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:55:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706091218.NAA06279@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Dave Berry wrote: > One question: who sang what? Presumably Ron couldn't do much > frontman work while also playing bass (which makes me glad I caught > the LiS tour -- I enjoyed seeing his Wolfman and Secret Agent outfits). Sorry to take so long getting back to this - other things have been clamouring for my attention and my mail has been piling up. Anyhow, Ron still sang most of it, despite his bass restraining his antics rather - a damn good Steppenwolf all the same, likewise Blue Skin and so on. Dave sang all the ones he normally sings, and Jerry came in on backing too, as of course I suppose did Richard, although you can see him so rarely it's hard to tell. So, Ron is still definitely the front-man, although he let Huw take front stage during the encores. Mind you, during Needle Gun they were all over the place, both sonically and spatially... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 14:00:39 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:00:39 -0300 Subject: From The Sun, 10th June In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Just found this little quote which might cause amusement. Turns out that > some cannabis plants were found growing outside the police HQ in Bath, > Somerset. This find came on the first anniverasry of the county force's > Operation Trident, a huge anti-drugs drive. When the plants were pointed > out to the station, a spokesman said "We're no dopes. It is hard to spot > these plants in their infancy, especially when the're among other > vegetation... ... We will be mounting a joint investigation with > our drugs squad officers". > > I wonder what their assesment of the weed will be!! Obviously they're not going to let the grass grow under their feet and make a hash of the enquiry. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 15:05:24 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:05:24 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Ron Jennings's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > the sequencers and such were Brock's baby. > alan mentioned to me once how stifling it was that their set list was > unchangeable, > because it would mean dave would have to reprogram his machines. Yeah, a big part of the fun of Hawkwind gigs was that the band would get into the feedback from the audience and produce some awesome jams in response. The machines simply meant that this was ruled out and that you were guaranteed almost exactly the same sound at every gig on a tour. They seem to forget that we listen to albums to get the same guaranteed sound and go to tours to have some fun. It's a classic example of a bad implementation of computerised equipment. The idea should be that the machines allow more freedom rather than more constraint. FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 12 10:06:24 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:06:24 -0600 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: Pam Wrote - Goodness-what a great point made here!!! I have a tendancy to enjoy the music-not be chased away from it!! If that's music, then what we wnjoy is frightfully exotic!!! How wonderful it is!!! I would agree with you Pam, the music is to be enjoyed. Not questioning the music alone, its mostly the image being promoted. I laugh at GWAR and their lunacy, the 13 year old on the Springer show did not. He took the image as reality and something to guide him. Carl Wrote - Ozzy is pretty tame--the worst thing any one will see his him moon the audience (which is probably pretty bad ;) GWAR is just a piss take, really. A big joke. And Marilyn Manson is the triumph of image. What's better than marketable deviance. Nothing really very scary here. Oh Ozzy's tame enough as was Sabbath when I was a teen. What the adults of the 70's didn't understand was the music. How many parents trashed BOC and Sabbath based on what they heard about them? I doubt if any of them could pick either band out of a lineup or even listened to a single song. You know that Manson is a marketing device but does an 11 or 12 year old realize this? Ron Jennings wrote - this is hard to respond to and remain 'politically correct.' so i guess i better not. but- don't worry about what they listen to. you listened to it, how many sheep have you raped? none, right? right? JUST KIDDING if they start to mimic dearest marylin or whatever its name is, then worry. Ah forget that PC crap Ron, I don't believe in it. Just say what you feel. On the sheep count, I'll have to consult my diary to be sure. 8>). I would disagree with you somewhat, depending on the age, maturity and general intelligence of a child you have to be somewhat concerned with they expose themselves to. If they start acting and dressing like Manson or GWAR its probably too late. I was a big Kiss fan in the 70's; 17-18 years old at the time. I didn't wear makeup and spit blood; I was aware it was all image. When your young you eventually reach a point where you can separate image from substance; when you know this is a bands marketing tool but not necessarily who or what they are. But what if you can't tell the difference? What then? Yeah this is a little extreme and I don't mean to intimate that all 12 years olds will don demonic masks and start terrorizing other kids because GWAR or Manson said so. No, kids should be given more credit than that. However all parents should be concerned with what their children do and see until they are comfortable that the little ones are capabale of thinking clearly for themselves. Seriously, we have adults ready to hitchike on comets because some loon convinced them a spaceship was hidden in its tail. If adults, with education and life experiences can stretch out so far don't you think we have to be concerned with young people? Bill Wrote - Lemmy will be in NYC on 6/13, Irving Plaza..........Although Motorhead will go on before WASP I was assured thatMotorhead will play at least 1 1/2 Hrs. Interesting, it was the other way around at Jaxx, WASP opened for Motorhead. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L Anybody know of any Tick (cartoon superhero) links on the web? From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 15:10:27 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:10:27 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Ken Alexander's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:09:49 -0400 Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, > *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" > stupid lyrics No arguing with that, although Nuclear Drive still has it for the Dumbest Lyrics category. > annoying tune, and totally out of place with the > sword&sorcery setting). Nah, Jerry Cornelius was Eternal Champ too. Hell, The Final Program is an exact rewrite of Elric of Melnibone. > -Ken the heretic FoFP From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jun 12 10:28:44 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:28:44 -0500 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: Carl said: > GWAR is just a piss take, really... Literally as well, from what I've heard... :-) Damon From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 08:51:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:51:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706121127.MAA01078@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706121127.MAA01078 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >Waht is wrong with Alan's vocals? I like them. And I t hink he did a better >version of damnation ally than Bbo calvert did. Tell me please! Which album has a live Damnation Alley on it? I fucking love this song (pardon my french) but I can't recall ever hearing them play it or to that matter think which album a live cut exists on. The problem with Alan singing songs like The Right Stuff or Ejection is that its outside his vocal range and he sounds strained. Dave should really be singing them because his crystal clear mellifluous voice is perfect for it! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:15:55 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:15:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <199706120309.XAA19817@quip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Ken Alexander wrote: > Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, > *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" > stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the > sword&sorcery setting). I think that `Needle Gun' is probably the `Beat 'Em Up' of Hawkwind's corpus - good tune, naff lyrics. But I love the LC version all the same, one of the best tracks on there. And it was cool on Saturday... Yours, Jazza P.S. It's not as bad as `Beat 'Em Up', on reflection... /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:22:00 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On ons 11 jun 1997 22.36 "Jeffrey Hoyt" wrote: > > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just > > wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? > > DAMN. You win the prize. I think I was close to the youngest for a > while, having joined the list when I was 20 (I think), but I've been > undercut a number of times since then. I _was_ a teenager when I signed on - but Tim Langner has beaten me since then, and now he too will have to resign his cap... > > P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums > > so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine > > are (not in any order) Ummm. Go for (at the moment) - Quark, Strangeness & Charm, In Search of Space, California Brainstorm (probably only because it's in the player now... ), Space Ritual, and, oh, um, Love in Space. I hope you don't want me to choose disks from the doubles... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 12 11:22:59 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:22:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: >Tell me please! Which album has a live Damnation Alley on it? I fucking >love this song (pardon my french) but I can't recall ever hearing them >play it or to that matter think which album a live cut exists on. Your favourite, _Palace Springs_ :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 16:32:07 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:32:07 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:51:20 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Tell me please! Which album has a live Damnation Alley on it? I fucking > love this song (pardon my french) but I can't recall ever hearing them > play it or to that matter think which album a live cut exists on. >From the codex: Damnation Alley 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" L 2 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 2 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 5 Palace Springs L 5 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is a cut from the last part of 1 well it looks as if (once you ignore the bootlegs which are pretty much unavailable anyway) you are left with...... Palace Springs! Either that or the Wierd Tape version which I can't remember off hand. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:46:10 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:46:10 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <9706120933.AA00923@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Rob Stuckey wrote: > Golden Void and a superb Damnation Alley are both (arguably) > better than the originals. Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. As for Damnation Alley, if you're suggesting that Alan's rendition beats the Calvert original, you and I may have to step outside... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 11:52:31 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:52:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <199706121101.MAA24716@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Chris Bates wrote: > > Those are some of my favorites too, especially Levitation (which also gets > > trashed on here by some...). > > Levitation is a stunningly good prog/hard rock album. I suspect > that people on BOC-L slag it off because it isn't HW improv/blanga > but is clearly composed and sounds like a proper rock album. Glad someone agrees with me on that - Levitation is not a bad album, you just need to come to it openly, no filters set. The first HW I ever heard was off Levitation. Still, the first real album I ever heard was `Space Ritual' - thanks Carl... > > Since everyone else seems to trash some of my favorite Hawkwind Albums I'll add > > that the one I really don't like from the early stuff is Space Ritual. > > I mean, I like the songs on it on other albums, but it never does anything > > really for me. And I can't stand Brainstorm in any form. > > Get thee behind me Satan. Repent ye sinner. Don't like SR indeed! What > are you - a bloody Spice Girl or something? I think there is definitely a case to answer here... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 05:10:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:10:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <199706120236.AA12940@lcfn.org> Message-ID: In article <199706120236.AA12940 at lcfn.org>, Jeffrey Hoyt writes >Hi, > > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just >wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 >and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. I never used >to like Hawkwind until I read the Elric series. After I told my dad I >liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a >listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is >one of my favorite bands. What an excellant ol' man you have! Commend him on his immpeccable taste. (and get him something nice on Father's Day next week) 2 years ago my son got me the CD of IITBOTFTBD, despite being 3 at the time (I guess Mom helped). Unfortunately, he prefers Madness to Hawkwind and likes ska in general over space rock, for some strange reason. > > >P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums >so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine are >(not in any order) > I don't think I could narrow it down to 15 let alone 5 but I like the ones other people don't seem to like so much, Xenon Codex, Church of Hawkwind, Sonic Attack, Choose Your Masques, PXR 5, Space Bandits, Electric Tepee, Doremi, Warrior, all Nik's solo stuff (ICU were THE rockinest band I ever saw (or at least a close 2nd to Iggy Pop) I think Palace Springs is a bit ho-hum, and Levitation, I dunno, I enjoy it when I put it on, I just never seem to choose it. I don't like Zarozinia. -- Jon Browne From ellis at MCC.COM Thu Jun 12 11:58:28 1997 From: ellis at MCC.COM (Mike Ellis) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:58:28 -0500 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: > > I haven't seen much discussion on this lately so I apologize if this is old > news. Has anyone gotten a a copy of Nik's SA 2001 yet? And if so, what are > your thoughts on it? I saw it, was dubious about it being all duplicate tracks, but ended up being sucked in by the seeming alternative mixes & YSDT rehearsal ... Anyway, I did some quick comparisons last nite, this is what the tracks seem to me to be (I've got several NT CD's - Prophets, Sphynx, NT Space Ritual Live, Past or Future, Anubian Nights) > Horus This is definitely NOT Horus off of the Sphynx CD. No lyrics, different sound ... don't know where this is from - unreleased ? > Master Of The Universe > Sonic Attack same cuts as the Turner SR Live cd > The Weighing Of Heart & Negative Confession (Travel Mix) don't know why they say "Travel Mix" - sounds like the same one off the Sphynx cd > Anubian Light Destiny This is NOT ALD. It is a live version of "Annubis". I think from the "Past or Future" tour, in which case it's unreleased ? > Opa-Loka Again seems like from PorF tour, but a different version than the "Opa-Loka 2000" on that CD - so unreleased as well ? > You Shouldn't Do That (SR Rehearsal) rehearsal fun. unreleased as far as I know. > Grid Coordinate: Vorp One same as on Anubian Lights > Toth same as on Sphynx > Arc Of Ra same as on AN Anyone else tried to track down the cuts ? -mike From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jun 11 23:35:51 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:35:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Needle Gun Message-ID: >No, I don't really like the song either. Of all HW songs, it always >seemed >a shame to me that Needle Gun had to become sort of a minor "hit" >among the >fans. I'd rather hear almost any other song! >John Majka Amen, brother. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 12:12:36 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:12:36 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs (Forward) Message-ID: Jazza said: > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the >Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. As for Damnation Alley, if >you're suggesting that Alan's rendition beats the Calvert original, you >and I may have to step outside... If you are refering to calverts vocals then Alan has the better vocals for dmnation. However the better song over all is the one for the calvert erra. It's longer, has voiline solo and includes more verses and words. But Alan has the btter voacls for this song at least. From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 12 12:30:21 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:30:21 -0600 Subject: Born To Go (Free Tape) Message-ID: Did anyone else on BOC-L order Marc Power's "This Is Space Rock" tape. I received mine today. Hey, very not bad. Very colorful and nicely done tape insert, kudo's to Sonique and BOC-L and of course acknowledgements to Hawkwind. The band is called Born To Go and they will be supporting Hawkwind at the Strange Daze 97 Space Rock Festival in New York. They plan to debut a Calvert tribute song "Radio Calvert" during the show. Marc if your still out there good stuff guy; I really like Navigator, it moves well. L8er lil' ab Grind time for old misconceptions. Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. Won't salute you. Won't desert you. sp00L From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 17:36:56 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:36:56 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:57:12 +0100 Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > Carl said: > > At Blackheath, I think Huw was again somewhat surprised to find > >"Moonglum" so popular. The audience more or less demanded it during his > >acoustic set. To his credit he did play it, despite apologies that he > >wasn't sure how it would work out on an acoustic guitar. > > Did it work? It was the best track he did and a very fine (IMO) piece of acoustic guitar playing - it can't have been easy trying to reproduce the sound but he gave a very creditable performance. My one main complaint with HLL is that he tends to hurry the timing of his vocals - as if to get the words over and done with so that he can get down to the guitar playing bit. But I thought it a brave and accomplished performance given that there was a hall full of folk waiting to hear Hawkwind and here's Huw doing an acoustic set! He really caught people's interest too since there was a steady drift of folk up towards the stage to listen tho' I agree it was a good competent performance rather than an outstanding one. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 12 12:40:42 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:40:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: After going to the Blackheath gig I thought I would wait a while & digest the comments & the experience before commenting. Well, I really had a great time, It was fantastic to see Huw although acoustic is not metier (IMHO) and having had the thread about Steppenwolf over the preceding weeks it was a real buzz to hear it. Having said what a good gig it was, and it certainly was! it has to be said that the sound was crap. I've not been to every HW gig by a long shot but those I have (with the exception of the Junction) the sound has been really good, I could see Huw playing with the band but couldn't hear him at all & what was that horrendous buzzing noise we kept hearing? All in all though it was one to remember, maybe next time I'll get to meet some of the list members?? I hear that HW are playing at the Corn Exchange later in the year, who's going then? I'll see you there Bob/Chris Mike P. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 17:45:50 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:45:50 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:21:11 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Ooopps! I forgot about that one. Last night I was listening to a tape of > HW @ Hammersmith Odeon 14/12/88 and the version of Heads they did then > rocked like hell - it was brilliant. Yes Heads is great live but the > studio track is a bit tame. which for me more or less encapsulates present-day Hawkwind. The studio albums have all the ideas and musical complexities and mixing experiments and technological wizardry and different sound layers and, in a sense, the more you listen to the tracks the more you hear but they tend to ramble and drift. Live on stage is (or should be) the more dymanic Hawkwind with excitement, wall-to-wall depth of sound and energy and a much tighter mix than you usually get on the albums. And when this works it just sounds awesome! But then I like both versions - so what the heck! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 12 13:04:42 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:04:42 -0600 Subject: Born To Go (Free Tape) Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > > Did anyone else on BOC-L order Marc Power's "This Is Space Rock" tape. > I received mine today. Hey, very not bad. Very colorful and nicely > done tape insert, kudo's to Sonique and BOC-L and of course > acknowledgements to Hawkwind. > > The band is called Born To Go and they will be supporting Hawkwind at > the Strange Daze 97 Space Rock Festival in New York. They plan to debut > a Calvert tribute song "Radio Calvert" during the show. > > Marc if your still out there good stuff guy; I really like Navigator, it > moves well. I did, I did!!! Got mine yesterday and like it. Good job guys!!! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Cleopatra has announced summer tour dates for Pressurehed in rec.music.progressive under the subject "** SUMMER TOUR DATES **" (something like that). I would post them myself, but my new server sucks. Would someone else please post them? Thanks. Damon C Capehart From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jun 12 13:16:41 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:16:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: >Tell me please! Which album has a live Damnation Alley on it? I >fucking >love this song (pardon my french) but I can't recall ever hearing them >play it or to that matter think which album a live cut exists on. Palace Springs has Alan trying to sing "Damnation Alley" on it. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jun 12 12:13:45 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:13:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >Since everyone else seems to trash some of my favorite Hawkwind Albums >I'll add >that the one I really don't like from the early stuff is Space Ritual. >I mean, I like the songs on it on other albums, but it never does >anything >really for me. And I can't stand Brainstorm in any form. That is one hell of a bold statement there... Isn't trashing _Space Ritual_ sort of like trashing the Bible? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jun 12 12:21:43 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:21:43 -0400 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: >I'm also very curious about Gong's "Flying Teapots" CD-is it >obtainable? >I have a really dumb set of reasons for wanting this: 1: I'm curious. >2: >I collect Teapots. of any shape or material. CD works too:) Yes..it is obtainable. But if you want to go the whole nine yards, get the "Radio Gnome Invisible Trilogy" Box set. It contains _Angel's Egg_ (magnificent), _Flying Teapot_ (magnificent), and _You_ (once again, magnificent). Plus, it has a book along with it. I've seen it for about 50 dollars American. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 18:21:21 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:21:21 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Jeffrey Hoyt's message of Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: Jeffrey Hoyt writes: > Hi, > > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Welcome! > wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 ah - not me, sorry! It's a while since I last saw 15.... 8-( > Live Chronicles is the first one I have ever heard, and I really > can't explain why, but it's still my all around favorite Hawkwind album. > My point is, I don't see how any one can dislike the album totally. I don't > like every single song on there, but the songs I do like (Song of the > Swords, The Sea King, Dreaming City, Moonglum and ESPECIALLY Needle Gun) > are, I think, have some very awesome guitar work (Huw). I mean, who cares > if it's not the exact type of music they always do. I think it's good > to have a combination of slightly diffrent types of music. I know that > Hawkwind tries some songs that are radically diffrent. Some of em make it, thanks for writing all that! You said almost everything I had been going to but hadn't got around to writing. cheers jill > P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums In Search of Space, Sonic Attack, Levitation, Spirit of the Age (Charisma compilation - not the other one) Palace Springs, Love In Space, It Is the Biz etc.(yep!), Space Bandits (!), Quark Strangeness and Charm. Hmm more than 5 and in no particular order and subject to change without notice.... There was a poll done on this once. It should be in the archives somewhere. > so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine are > (not in any order) > > Live Chronicles, Levitaion, Mighty Hawkwind Classics, Out and Intake and > Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Any of you like Days of the Underground? I > think it's weird, but pretty cool) yep - I do like this one. You should get hold of some more releases from the Calvert era by the sounds of things. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 09:00:06 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:00:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706121141.MAA02628@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706121141.MAA02628 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >I may be 19 but in 1992 (I was aobut 12) Tim, I always enjoy reading your posts. You're definitely ahead of your time! >(that's due golden void >keybaord intro and Green finded demoned + studnik stan) > >Tim Langner Is this the same studnik stan that lives in a garbage pram? From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 12 14:12:50 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:12:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: >In article <199706121141.MAA02628 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy ><96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > >>I may be 19 but in 1992 (I was aobut 12) > >Tim, I always enjoy reading your posts. You're definitely ahead of your >time! He probably wrote that post about two years from now but it got here now due to a really fast ISP... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 04:52:34 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:52:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <970611215719_440979714@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In article <970611215719_440979714 at emout06.mail.aol.com>, "Tony A. Rowe" writes >As William Shatner once said in a recent interview "When all of your work on >the cutting edge, sometimes you fall off the edge." This was actually in >reference to HIS singing attempts with "Rocket Man" and "Tambourine Man". Or as Julian Cope put it, "I'm not afraid to fall on my art once in a while!" -- Jon Browne ObCD HW - Xenon Codex, which is a killer album *actually*! From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 12 14:50:34 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:50:34 -0600 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > >I'm also very curious about Gong's "Flying Teapots" CD-is it > >obtainable? > >I have a really dumb set of reasons for wanting this: 1: I'm curious. > >2: > >I collect Teapots. of any shape or material. CD works too:) > Yes..it is obtainable. But if you want to go the whole nine yards, get > the "Radio Gnome Invisible Trilogy" Box set. It contains _Angel's Egg_ > (magnificent), _Flying Teapot_ (magnificent), and _You_ (once again, > magnificent). Plus, it has a book along with it. I've seen it for about > 50 dollars American. Kewl- I shall look for this! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace lil' ab or "BREVARD Adrian R." scribed: > Did anyone else on BOC-L order Marc Power's "This Is Space Rock" tape. > I received mine today. Hey, very not bad. Very colorful and nicely > done tape insert, kudo's to Sonique and BOC-L and of course > acknowledgements to Hawkwind. > > The band is called Born To Go and they will be supporting Hawkwind at > the Strange Daze 97 Space Rock Festival in New York. They plan to debut > a Calvert tribute song "Radio Calvert" during the show. > > Marc if your still out there good stuff guy; I really like Navigator, it > moves well. > > > L8er > > lil' ab > Grind time for old misconceptions. > Roll out new scenery as per suggestion. > Won't salute you. Won't desert you. > > sp00L Thanks lil' ab! Great Feedback. Yes, we think that we have really hit our stride with Navigator, lots of folk have had really good things to say about that track. We will be performing it tonight, live for the first time. I am still out here, drifting in cyberspace, trying to tune into Radio Calvert. If anyone else wants to get on this **FREE** tape offer (*Warning* I still have a backlog of tapes to send so it may take a little while) The tape 'This is SpaceRock' now has four tracks instead of the original two, if anyone who has the original tape wants to hear the two more recent tracks, visit the Born to Go URL below, both full-length tracks are available there as .au files OR just email me a message and I will send you another tape. The two new tracks are kill -9 and Navigator. BTW - STRANGE DAZE 97 - Labor day weekend - Sherman NY - I have just received the ticket application forms from Strange Trips (the organizers of the Festival) and I will put this up on our web site tomorrow night - can't tonight, gigging! STRANGE DAZE 97 promises to be absolutely amazing, there are so many bands that I want to see. This has to be the Space Rock event of 1997! even if my band weren't playing I would still do whatever it takes to be there. If you only go to one outdoor event in 1997, make it this one. And if you do go, remember to seek us out and say Hi! we would love to meet you. Your normal programming will now be resumed. Marc. -- Who put the Mind (Control) in MTV?: "If you're an MTV fan, you like all the stuff on MTV. That's how you know who you are, what to wear and what you like." - JUDY McGRATH, President of MTV From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jun 12 16:51:29 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:51:29 -0500 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, > *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" > stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the > sword&sorcery setting). I think Needle Gun is a Moorcock(jerry cornelious?) based tune though, so in that sense it does fit with the Moorcock based albums -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jun 12 03:24:03 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:24:03 -0700 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: Adrian wrote: > When I was a young lad back in the 70's; I took a lot of verbal abuse > from my auntie. She felt that BOC was demonic and a bad influence to > kids in general. Now, as a parent, I find myself pondering such things. > Is BOC music acceptable to me as an adult? After seeing the shock rock > band GWAR (Jerry Springer Show) and the recent flap over Marilyn Manson > I must say if my kids wanted to attend a rock concert I'd drag them to > see BOC in a heartbeat. Heck I'd even take them to see Ozzy. The > alternatives are frightening. Shockrock? What a laugh! I couldn't believe how silly these guys looked; it's all done before, they play badly and it's so fucking childish. Hahaha! In Holland we have just had a tour of British band Rockbitch; six bisexual and lesbian women and one man doing everything on stage they sing about, among "Fistfuck". Ah, you probably have read about this... Alright, I wouldn't take my kid to see Rockbitch before he / she would be, what, twelve? :-) Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 23:53:01 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:53:01 GMT+0100 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 16.46 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the > Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. Jazza old son, I maintain you are subsumed by madness and delusion here. I recall rather weak sound from the Sonic Assassins gig, and moreover reckon Golden Void without A&B is incomplete. So there ;) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Acrimony, _Tumuli Shoomaroom_ From erics at NOW.COM Thu Jun 12 18:41:21 1997 From: erics at NOW.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:41:21 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at May 2, 97 09:49:58 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > We are also playing [...] El Mocambo in Toronto on > Friday June 13 and the Star Bar in Buffalo on Saturday June 14. It should be pointed out that the Toronto date is part of the North by Northeast festival (aka NXNE). This implies a couple of things. - The bummer: only one set, and it's a short one. They schedule several bands per venue per evening, in one-hour slots -- and keep *strictly* to the schedule. The bands play for somewhere in the 40-50 minute range; I can't remember. So if you're travelling any distance just for the Brain Surgeons, you probably want to stay in the area an extra day and hit the Buffalo show too. - The plug: NXNE is way cool! Lots of great bands, lots of variety (at least there has been in the past). If you *are* coming to the Surgeons' Toronto gig, plan on making an evening of it and catching some of the other bands. A wristband is $29 and gets you into all concerts over three nights (Thurs, Fri, Sat) -- that's any 15 out of about 375 possible gigs. Or you can pay as you go; dunno how much the single-concert prices are. Oh yeah, I *think* wristbands get priority if it's full. - The disclaimer: I work for NOW Magazine, one of the festival's major sponsors. But I'm a computer guy, not a salescritter! But I've been to the thing for the last two years, and had a blast both times. I wouldn't have plugged it otherwise. - The apology: Very sorry for pointing this out so soon before the gig! As you can tell, I'm a *bit* behind in my reading :-( -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at now.com | | / Question: When was the Golden Age of Science Fiction? Asimov's Answer: 13. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 05:27:43 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:27:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <199706112141.QAA29196@wcic.org> Message-ID: >>> I was beginning to get disenchanted and things >>> only got worse with Palace Springs! >> >> Blasphemy!! :) >> Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, > >yeah, I have to agree that Palace Springs is one of the best-ever albums. Cripes! Maybe I should give this album another listen. I had never considered to be in anyway a contender for "one of the best-ever albums". From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 12 09:25:42 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:25:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: If I remember rightly, written somewhere on the Levitation cover is "A headphone album". It certainly sounds great on headphones and some bits like in Psychosis seem to have real 3D movement. Does anyone know whether this album was mixed using some 3D system or what the headphone album text refers to? Is it also correct that this album was a full digital recording? In which case, wouldn't it have been one of the first digital rock albums? Other than Levitation, the first reference I ever saw to digital recording was Frank Zappa's "Them or Us" in 1984 so Levitation is quite a lot earlier. Does anyone know any other early examples of digital recording in the rock world? Thanks! Mark From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 12 21:15:59 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:15:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-12 03:52:06 EDT, you write: << I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. I never used to like Hawkwind until I read the Elric series. After I told my dad I liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is one of my favorite bands. snip snip snip snip snip 8<------------------------------------- P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums so I can get a good idea of whats out there. Jeff >> Well, I am no longer a teen (24 yrs old now) but I got into Hawkwind when I wasn't much older than you. I also had discovered and devoured the Elric series (along with Corum, Erekose, and of course HAWKMOON). I was also a big fan of Motorhead and watched an interview with him in which he was handed a bag of goodies and asked to comment on each item in the bag. One of the items was a Michael Moorcock novel (to which he stated something to the effect of "a great author... but a pity about the last name.") and another was a Hawkwind album. I was 16 at the time, and had read some mentions of Hawkwind in the gaming magazine White Dwarf, along with some mentions of Elric. I decided that I just had to hear Hawkwind. About a year later, I finally found my first Hawkalbum: Anthology 2 on cassette. As I have said before and will say again, it can be such a pain to find Hawkwind in the U.S.!! 5 Fave Hawkalbums? In no particular order: Doremi Faso Latido, Quark, Strangeness and Charm, California Brainstorm (how did I miss this concert?), Palace Springs, and Electric Tepee. Tony From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Jun 12 21:19:12 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:19:12 -0400 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: > Ah forget that PC crap Ron, I don't believe in it. Just say what you > feel. On the sheep count, I'll have to consult my diary to be sure. > 8>). I would disagree with you somewhat, depending on the age, maturity > and general intelligence of a child you have to be somewhat concerned > with they expose themselves to. If they start acting and dressing like > Manson or GWAR its probably too late. I was a big Kiss fan in the 70's; > 17-18 years old at the time. I didn't wear makeup and spit blood; I was > aware it was all image. When your young you eventually reach a point > where you can separate image from substance; when you know this is a > bands marketing tool but not necessarily who or what they are. PC- i dont believe in it much either. if we were in private i would have said it, but dint want to piss you off by saying it publicly. it wasnt important anyway. its just that (putting it nicely) i think your aunt {?} is a silly goose. ;) ok. i was assuming the kids in question were old ennough to be going out and purchasing their own music? (13^) if they are younger than that they are maybe too young. but if not- if they are teenagers, and dont have common sense... they most likely never will, and it maybe doesnt matter what you do. hey i may be a hardcase, i dunno. but i feel there comes a certain level of stupidity at which people are probably too dumb to live anyway. and as me old uncle used ta say, "ya gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough." > But what if you can't tell the difference? What then? Yeah this is a > little extreme and I don't mean to intimate that all 12 years olds will > don demonic masks and start terrorizing other kids because GWAR or > Manson said so. No, kids should be given more credit than that. > However all parents should be concerned with what their children do and > see until they are comfortable that the little ones are capabale of > thinking clearly for themselves. Seriously, we have adults ready to > hitchike on comets because some loon convinced them a spaceship was > hidden in its tail. If adults, with education and life experiences can > stretch out so far don't you think we have to be concerned with young > people? > hey i agree with this p'graph whole heartedly. but you must find a medium. there are tons of parents who think it's everyone else's job to raise their kids for them, and tons more who are so overly protective that their kids grow up to be nice calm artichokes. by all means give the kids some credit. i was a total hellion when i was young, but am none the worse. i have an education. i finally graduated Highschool last month. i am in school for computers ( a good one, too), and i have a job on top of it, as a tech support person for panasonic. i have done more drugs than anyone i know, (who lived), and my brain still works- most of the time. if i could keep these damned gnomes out of my pantry, i'd be happier. oh- i babble a lot, too. but thats cos i never see the sun anymore, and have forgotten what my wife looks like. rj From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 12 21:20:07 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:20:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Needle Gun (& others) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-12 12:02:41 EDT, you write: << I don't have Yuri Gagrin, so I can't comment on that, but my personal nomination for the worst HW (related) album is Pinkwind Festival of the Sun. Now, that's crap. So that's my little bit. - Max Wilcox >> I will have to say the Yuri Gagarin is probably the worst album just in sound quality alone (and it has that lame song "The Egg"). In my collection, this album defenitely has the least amount of play. However, I do like the simple cover art. Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 12 21:24:27 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:24:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-12 12:46:10 EDT, you write: << > Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, along with Doremi, Space >Ritual, and HotMG! "Acid Test" is, admittedly *really* awful. The rest of >it I like. The "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on it is one of my top HW >tracks! I havn't heard the album but if it's like the 1990 liev lendges video then it's fine. >> I have the 1990 Live Legends video (and it ain't in PAL!) and I like the album much better. If you enjoy the video, I strongly suggest that you pick up Palace Springs. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Jun 12 21:25:23 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:25:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: > > >Since everyone else seems to trash some of my favorite Hawkwind Albums > >I'll add > >that the one I really don't like from the early stuff is Space Ritual. > >I mean, I like the songs on it on other albums, but it never does > >anything > >really for me. And I can't stand Brainstorm in any form. > > That is one hell of a bold statement there... > Isn't trashing _Space Ritual_ sort of like trashing the Bible? yes, it is. but depending on your point of view, so is thrashing live chronicles. space ritual got me into HW. live chronicles brought me back. rj From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 21:58:02 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:58:02 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706121612.RAA07538@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, langner timothy wrote: > Jazza said: > > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the > >Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. As for Damnation Alley, if > >you're suggesting that Alan's rendition beats the Calvert original, you > >and I may have to step outside... > > If you are refering to calverts vocals then Alan has the better vocals for > dmnation. However the better song over all is the one for the calvert erra. > It's longer, has voiline solo and includes more verses and words. But Alan has > the btter voacls for this song at least. I just *don't* agree here. The bit where Alan shadows the keyboard break of the studio version with the bass is nice, but his vocal range just isn't as wide as Bob's was, and it strains at the top and is weak at the bottom. Plus which, Bob's voice was far more expressive. No way could Alan ever do anything matching `High Rise' for turning poetry into lyrics. Of course, I am a massive Calvert fan, but I think this is a fair criticism... Yours, Jazza P.S. Maybe Ron will do Damnation Alley soon. That would be interesting... /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 12 22:00:52 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 03:00:52 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On tor 12 jun 1997 16.46 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the > > Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. > > Jazza old son, I maintain you are subsumed by madness and delusion > here. I recall rather weak sound from the Sonic Assassins gig, and > moreover reckon Golden Void without A&B is incomplete. So there ;) Carl, you yourself have criticised almost every HW album but SR for not being "crushingly heavy enough"; on this count alone the `Sonic Assassins' one wins hands down. But it would be nice to hear all of it. Does the original recording have both parst on? I only have the F&R cut... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jun 13 01:46:06 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:46:06 -0700 Subject: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: Carl playing Amorphis: Elegy (what happened to my quoter??) Speaking of Amorphis, I just got a dub of their new EP (from a friend who got the advance -- I don't know if it's officially out yet), and though this is based on just one cursory listen, the cover of Levitation sounded good, very close to the original. My opinion might be biased, though, as I'm just thrilled to see a metal band recognize HW... Charlie From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jun 13 03:58:25 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:58:25 -0600 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > > > Hmmm. I think that both Black Sword and Live Chronicles are great, > > *except* for "Needle Gun" which sucks ("oooh its gonna make you run" > > stupid lyrics, annoying tune, and totally out of place with the > > sword&sorcery setting). Hafta kinda agree there-I think it'd fit on Alien 4 better. I sure like it tho!!! > > I think Needle Gun is a Moorcock(jerry cornelious?) based tune though, > so in that sense it does fit with the Moorcock based albums You're right on there, guy-If I remember correctly-haven't read them in a month or so... That was one of Jerry Cornelious' many weapons. Good books!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In article <01BC7738.E3FCCA00 at host5-99-51-125.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >I had to check out _Xenon Codex_ >after that. Which I thought was a solid piece of work, if not spectacular. I must buy you a drink sometime... oh by the way, you're doing this again... begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C4,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`T $```$````0`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````40`````` etc! -- Jon Browne From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jun 13 09:41:04 1997 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:41:04 BST Subject: HW: Palace Springs Message-ID: >> Golden Void and a superb Damnation Alley are both (arguably) >> better than the originals. > > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the >Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. As for Damnation Alley, if >you're suggesting that Alan's rendition beats the Calvert original, you >and I may have to step outside... > Jazza > I am and I will, someone hold my jacket. :) It's the way it slows down into that cool dub bass line then speeds back up again...marvellous!! bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 10:19:12 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:12 GMT+0100 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: > > I would disagree with you somewhat, depending on the age, maturity > > and general intelligence of a child you have to be somewhat concerned > > with they expose themselves to. I think kids are brighter than one thinks, though they (we? :) are impressionable and are happy to try nearly any kind of weird shit just for the hell of it. I mean, sure--dressing up like a freaking and dancing around with a bunch of impaled angels looks like a lark, right? But I think most kids, unless they are terminally dumb, would understand no problem if you said "this is a big act, right? like a play. people just think this looks cool, so you can make a lot of money doing it". Well, I've been a kid but obviously I ain't got any and only deal with them occasionally. But I get the feeling that if you are straight with kids all the way they will understand most things. I don't want to shelter any kids I have since I think that will, in the end, confuse them worse than ever (and take something away from someone and they want it instantly, right?). I mean, I wouldn't take them to see Marilyn Manson but merely since I think they're load of bollocks :) > > When your young you eventually reach a point > > where you can separate image from substance; when you know this is a > > bands marketing tool but not necessarily who or what they are. And that point comes earlier if you don't have to figure it out all on your own, perhaps. > > Seriously, we have adults ready to > > hitchike on comets because some loon convinced them a spaceship was > > hidden in its tail. If adults, with education and life experiences > > can stretch out so far don't you think we have to be concerned with > > young people? One suspects strongly that these people's parents weren't up to the task. > hey i agree with this p'graph whole heartedly. but you must find a . > medium there > are tons of parents who think it's everyone else's job to raise their > kids for them, > and tons more who are so overly protective that their kids grow up to be > nice calm artichokes. > by all means give the kids some credit. And obviously both those kinds of parents are pretty useless. If I had kids, I'd take 'em to see Motorhead in an instant (if they wanted to go :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 10:32:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:32:11 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 15.05 "M Holmes" wrote: > It's a classic example of a bad implementation of computerised > equipment. The idea should be that the machines allow more freedom > rather than more constraint. Yeah, I'd hate to have the situation laid on me. I mean, as a musician I have the most fun when everyone has to bring it together on their own. Having a rigid background like that would be a real downer. It wouldn't be a problem if there was a real synth player, but Dave is trying to do too much. I mean, "Space is their Palestine" is basically a tape (or sequencers or whatever) with Richard drumming along. Dave is just flipping switches by the look of it. I can get that from an album. Apparently so can Brock ;) Now if there were real people doing it ... I mean why not have Jerry and Ron keep jamming on a track like that? Wouldn't that be more interesting? Machines can create really cool noises, but I find they are pretty dull on their own. Nothing beats real-time human control. Synths can only obey the Three Laws on their own ;) The Ozrics have it right by having a proper synth player as well as a guitarist. Even when Ed turns to his synths you don't feel cheated the way you do on some of the more obviously "dead live" Hawkwind numbers. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 10:34:31 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:34:31 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead, Boston Message-ID: Edited highlights from one of my friends in Boston ... :) On tor 12 jun 1997 15.14 "Mark Millman" wrote: > I just saw a review of a Motorhead gig here (Axis on Lansdowne Street) > which was in the Globe. The reviewer said fabulous things like (I > paraphrase), "Motorhead is essentially Lemmy and two blokes who aren't > Lemmy." Anyway, he liked the show, he likes Motorhead, and he left > before W.A.S.P. came on so he wouldn't have his pleasure ruined by their > crap. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 11:12:14 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:12:14 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Palace Springs, etc. Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 21.24 "Tony A. Rowe" wrote: > In a message dated 97-06-12 12:46:10 EDT, you write: > I havn't heard the album [Palace Springs] but if it's like the 1990 > liev lendges video then it's fine. > > I have the 1990 Live Legends video (and it ain't in PAL!) and I like the > album much better. If you enjoy the video, I strongly suggest that you > pick up Palace Springs. I agree with this absolutely. Although it was a grievious crime that a recording of Out of the Shadows > Snake Dance > Night of the Hawks with Simon House was not included on _Palace Springs_. The version on _California Brainstorm_ rips, but does not have as good sound as _PS_ and does not have Simon House. And I still dislike the tutu dancer on Live Legends :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 11:15:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:15:11 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: On tor 12 jun 1997 22.46 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > Speaking of Amorphis, I just got a dub of their new EP (from a friend > who got the advance -- I don't know if it's officially out yet), I think it may be but I'm not sure. What's the title, again? > and > though this is based on just one cursory listen, the cover of Levitation > sounded good, very close to the original. > My opinion might be biased, though, as I'm just thrilled to see a metal > band recognize HW... Can't be all bad, no matter what :) BTW, does anyone know which Kingston Wall track(s) they covered? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 11:27:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:27:15 GMT+0100 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: On fre 13 jun 1997 03.00 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On tor 12 jun 1997 16.46 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > > > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the > > > Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. > > > > Jazza old son, I maintain you are subsumed by madness and delusion > > here. I recall rather weak sound from the Sonic Assassins gig, and > > moreover reckon Golden Void without A&B is incomplete. So there ;) > > Carl, you yourself have criticised almost every HW album but SR > for not being "crushingly heavy enough"; on this count alone the `Sonic > Assassins' one wins hands down. But it would be nice to hear all of it. > Does the original recording have both parst on? I only have the F&R > cut... I don't believe the Sonic Assassins combined the two. And I still don't believe the SA one matches the _PS_ one in richness of sound. (Though this sounds like an excellent excuse for us to meet and compare.) I also don't like A&B seperated from GV, except one the Griffin _Live Chronicles_ where I think it kind of works. And I think the original WotEoT A&B/GV was not crushingly heavy enough, for all that it had Lemmy playing on it :) Cheers, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jun 13 06:57:07 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:57:07 +0200 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: Jerry: >Shockrock? What a laugh! I couldn't believe how silly these guys looked; it's all done >before, they play badly and it's so fucking childish. Hahaha! In Holland we have just >had a tour of British band Rockbitch; six bisexual and lesbian women and one man doing >everything on stage they sing about, among "Fistfuck". Ah, you probably have read about >this... Is it the same band as Genitortueres (sp?) or just a similar act? mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 07:09:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:09:15 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Hafta kinda agree there-I think it'd fit on Alien 4 better. I sure like it tho!!! > > I think Needle Gun is a Moorcock(jerry cornelious?) based tune though, > so in that sense it does fit with the Moorcock based albums You're right on there, guy-If I remember correctly-haven't read them in a month or so... That was one of Jerry Cornelious' many weapons. Good books!! what you forget, is that jerry c. IS elric, and that the needlegun IS stormbringer. BUT-= i agree that needle gun would throw off the mood of the album to anyone that was not completely familiar with the eternal champion cycle. and it doesn't really fit in with the mod of the rest of the album. STILL- i get excited, nearly everytime i hear it. rj From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jun 13 07:20:34 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:20:34 +0200 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Ron: >what you forget, is that jerry c. IS elric, and that the needlegun IS >stormbringer. Hup... what? why? how? Please explain. I've got one JC book but I haven't read it yet. mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 13 07:59:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:59:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: Jon >I must buy you a drink sometime... Any time! :) >oh by the way, you're doing this again... >begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT Yeah, it seemed to reset itself somehow, the little bugger. Sorry everyone. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 13 06:58:27 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:58:27 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Concerning Golden Void, I was quite surprised at how good the version on The Business Trip was but no official version gets anywhere near the performance they did at Hammy Odeon 14/12/88. They did A&B and GV as the encore and GV was simply awesome. It was Hawkwind in top gear firing on all cylinders - huge sound, fantastic atmosphere, note perfect, just absolutely stunning. Given the number of live albums HW release, I wish they could have got this gig out because there wasn`t a dud moment. It was one of the best HW gigs I saw and when I classify them as "best" it means that it was a sublime experience! From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Jun 13 09:51:46 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:51:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: At 02:25 PM 12/06/97 +0100, Mark Edmonds wrote: >If I remember rightly, written somewhere on the Levitation cover is "A >headphone album". It certainly sounds great on headphones and some bits >like in Psychosis seem to have real 3D movement. Does anyone know >whether this album was mixed using some 3D system or what the headphone >album text refers to? > >Is it also correct that this album was a full digital recording? In >which case, wouldn't it have been one of the first digital rock albums? >Other than Levitation, the first reference I ever saw to digital >recording was Frank Zappa's "Them or Us" in 1984 so Levitation is quite >a lot earlier. Does anyone know any other early examples of digital >recording in the rock world? > "Swing of Delight" - Devadip Carlos Santana and "Tusk" - Fleetwood Mack were about the first I can think of. Can anyone find the first?? Troy > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jun 13 09:37:20 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:37:20 CDT Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: Hi all, I thought that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was among the first: I seem to recall seeing Digital Master recordings of it at record shows some years ago. That would push the digital threshold back to '72-73. Allan. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 15:01:54 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:01:54 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:00:06 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <199706121141.MAA02628 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy > <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > > >I may be 19 but in 1992 (I was aobut 12) > > Tim, I always enjoy reading your posts. You're definitely ahead of your > time! > > >(that's due golden void > >keybaord intro and Green finded demoned + studnik stan) > > > >Tim Langner > > Is this the same studnik stan that lives in a garbage pram? Too much LDS in the 60's? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 15:04:28 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:04:28 BST Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:53:01 GMT+0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On tor 12 jun 1997 16.46 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > > Yes to Golden Void - but the Sonic Assassins version kicks the > > Palace Springs in to a very small bucket. > > Jazza old son, I maintain you are subsumed by madness and delusion > here. I recall rather weak sound from the Sonic Assassins gig You were *there*?? Colour me impressed. However, it's gotta be said that Calvert's rant on Over The Top is one awesome track. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 15:09:49 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:09:49 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > >>> I was beginning to get disenchanted and things > >>> only got worse with Palace Springs! > >> > >> Blasphemy!! :) > >> Palace Springs is one of my top HW albums, > > > > >yeah, I have to agree that Palace Springs is one of the best-ever albums. > > Cripes! Maybe I should give this album another listen. I had never > considered to be in anyway a contender for "one of the best-ever > albums". I don't seem to have the results of the first album poll so... Second Poll of Hawkwind albums for this list (top 20): 1 WARRIOR_ON_THE_EDGE_OF_TIME 902 14 5 1 172 2 CHOOSE_YOUR_MASQUES 848 8 2 155 3 SPACE_RITUAL_ALIVE 801 17 5 225 4 SONIC_ATTACK 741 8 1 160 5 DOREMI_FASOL_LATIDO 733 17 156 6 HALL_OF_THE_MOUNTAIN_GRILL 723 20 2 2 251 7 PALACE_SPRINGS 709 19 2 151 8 LIVE_CHRONICLES 708 18 2 261 9 QUARK_STRANGENESS_AND_CHARM 695 18 1 209 10 IN_SEARCH_OF_SPACE 663 17 2 260 11 LEVITATION 655 19 1 235 12 CHURCH_OF_HAWKWIND 650 7 246 13 CALIFORNIA_BRAINSTORM 641 12 222 14 THE_CHRONICLE_OF_THE_BLACK_SWORD 638 14 2 184 15 THE_XENON_CODEX 631 17 1 1 214 16=THE_BBC_RADIO_DISC 623 7 205 16=STONEHENGE_(THIS_IS_HWKWND_DO_NOT_PANIC) 623 13 205 17 PXR5 620 15 1 232 18 FRIDAY_ROCK_SHOW_-_LIVE_AT_READING_'86 616 11 291 19 ZONES 611 10 184 20 STONEHENGE_(THIS_IS_HWKWND_DO_NOT_PANIC) 608 8 214 Third album poll for this list: 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 895 31 10 1 208 2 Space Ritual Alive 864 32 10 204 3 Palace Springs 797 35 3 174 4 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 791 36 5 1 248 5 In Search Of Space 776 31 1 240 6 Doremi Fasol Latido 773 33 187 7 Quark Strangeness And Charm 762 32 1 212 8 Choose Your Masques 752 17 2 248 9 Sonic Attack 708 17 1 242 10 Levitation 692 32 235 11 The Business Trip 675 17 288 12 Live Chronicles 669 33 2 263 13 Hawkwind Live aka Live 79 636 30 1 250 14 PXR5 623 29 208 15 California Brainstorm 619 23 1 216 16 The Approved History of Hawkwind 616 4 391 17 Friday Rock Show - Live at Reading '86 613 23 248 18 Roadhawks 611 17 1 256 19 Electric Teepee 608 31 1 231 20 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 606 28 224 As you can see, Palace Springs does pretty well in the album polls. Further evidence comes from the tracks poll with two tracks from Palace Springs topping the poll: 1 The Golden Void 951 14 156 2 Assault And Battery 874 14 167 3 Hassan I Sabha 852 15 202 4 Master Of The Universe 830 14 190 5 Lost Chronicles 829 6 340 6 Spirit Of The Age 823 15 200 7 Paradox 816 14 192 8 Lord Of Light 816 14 194 9 High Rise 815 11 156 10 Down Through The Night 815 15 179 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 212 12 Who's Gonna Win The War? 810 12 215 13 Psychedelic Warlords 808 15 164 14 Right To Decide 798 13 192 15 Wind Of Change 776 13 317 16 Seven By Seven 772 14 186 17 Ejection 766 11 177 18 Magnu 765 14 224 19 Void's End 763 6 282 20 Arrival In Utopia 760 11 280 From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri Jun 13 10:17:34 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:17:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:19:12 GMT+01 Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> > I would disagree with you somewhat, depending on the age, maturity >> > and general intelligence of a child you have to be somewhat concerned >> > with they expose themselves to. > > I think kids are brighter than one thinks, though they (we? :) are >impressionable and are happy to try nearly any kind of weird shit just for >the hell of it. > I mean, sure--dressing up like a freaking and dancing around with a >bunch of impaled angels looks like a lark, right? But I think most kids, >unless they are terminally dumb, would understand no problem if you said >"this is a big act, right? like a play. people just think this looks >cool, so you can make a lot of money doing it". This certainly seems logical, but on the other hand I've known people - as teenagers and as adults - who are, in most other senses of the word, intelligent, and thought, "Oh, this is just a joke. Harmless." But after a while it ceased to be a joke and they unwittingly began to take it seriously. Whether or not these bands/acts are just a big joke is irrelevant; the display which they (the bandmembers) consider a joke is, in one way or another, a serious reality. Of course, I'm not saying that the "serious" part consists of any of the weird, wacky theatrics, but - whether or not you believe in Hell or Satan or whatever force of evil - there are those who wish to commit vile acts for him/it. The thing is, this stuff starts out as a joke, but - just as it happens with -certain- drugs (the strong ones that can actually do significant harm), a person becomes desensitized to the portrayal of these acts and eventually wants something more. Unfortunately, there are those who do want and find it. >But I get the feeling that if you are straight with kids all the way they >will understand most things. I don't want to shelter any kids I have since >I think that will, in the end, confuse them worse than ever (and take >something away from someone and they want it instantly, right?). Absolutely. I believe wholeheartedly in being honest with them. Honest communication is a *huge* chunk of what makes a family work. > If I had kids, I'd take 'em to see Motorhead in an instant (if they >wanted to go :) One word: EARPLUGS! DON'T FORGET EARPLUGS! [I'll spare you a lecture on the sensitivity of children's ears. :-) ] Damon Capehart, from his crappy new account. (graduation has its disadvantages) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 15:15:41 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:15:41 BST Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:32:11 GMT+0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On tor 12 jun 1997 15.05 "M Holmes" wrote: > > It's a classic example of a bad implementation of computerised > > equipment. The idea should be that the machines allow more freedom > > rather than more constraint. [...] > I mean, "Space is their Palestine" is basically a tape (or sequencers > or whatever) with Richard drumming along. Dave is just flipping switches > by the look of it. I can get that from an album. Apparently so can Brock > ;) Yeah, I think SiTP is a truly great track and I'd love to see a real out and out Hawkwind jam based on it. > Carl FoFP From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 10:40:36 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:40:36 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs (Forward) Message-ID: Jazza said: > I just *don't* agree here. The bit where Alan shadows the keyboard >break of the studio version with the bass is nice, I never thought about how good the bass was in it since I'm not a bass player. >but his vocal range just isn't as wide as Bob's was, and it strains at the >top and is weak at the bottom. Plus which, Bob's voice was far more >expressive. No way could Alan ever do anything matching `High Rise' for >turning poetry into lyrics. I was only refering to Damnation Ally. I doubt Alan coudl cover some of the other ovcals Bob did btu for this song he did it better. > Of course, I am a massive Calvert fan, but I think this is a fair >criticism... I'm a huge fan of him too but then I a huge fan of almsot any body who's play in Hawkwind (as long as they are playing simlar stuff to Hawkwind or stuff I'd like). Speaking of high rise. Every time I study urbanisation (geography) I always think of that song. And if I ever get the chance to do a presentation on 1960s urbnaisation I'll make sure it get's played at start. However I'd then have to choose which version to play! And that's not easy. PS I think it's shame hawkwind don't do what they did in 1972 BBC concert windsong. In brainstorm I the chourse was being sung by nik with the backing inbetween and over nik was another voice singing. Was it Bob? And it sounded really good. Also did it in seven by seven and born to go. I think hakwwind should od sometihng like that again. Ron oculd do the voice over the top of the main vocalist. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 13 10:10:06 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:10:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions In-Reply-To: <0007hbtbvzrl.H0000d99005c4b82@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: In article <0007hbtbvzrl.H0000d99005c4b82 at igate.sprint.com>, "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." writes >I thought that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was among the first: >I seem to recall seeing Digital Master recordings of it at record shows >some years ago. That would push the digital threshold back to '72-73. Hmmmmm, you could be right but I would be very surprised if quality digital recording existed in 1972! I did see a date for the very first digital recording once and it was earlier than I would have expected but surely not that old! I think the recording was of string quartet music (Bartok maybe?) and I think it was released by Teldec. I'd take a stab at 1979. One of the thoughts behind my original question was "Digital recording is new and therefore must be very expensive. How the hell could Hawkwind afford to use it for Levitation?" How did they afford it!? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 16:02:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:02:24 GMT+0100 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: On fre 13 jun 1997 15.04 "M Holmes" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > Jazza old son, I maintain you are subsumed by madness and delusion > > here. I recall rather weak sound from the Sonic Assassins gig > > You were *there*?? > Colour me impressed. From the _recording_, silly Scottish person :) Since I don't have the recording with me, I can only try and recall that. > However, it's gotta be said that Calvert's rant on Over The Top is one > awesome track. Absolute agreement! Cheers, Carl From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Jun 13 11:00:42 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:00:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: > > [...] > > > I mean, "Space is their Palestine" is basically a tape (or sequencers > > or whatever) with Richard drumming along. Dave is just flipping switches > > by the look of it. I can get that from an album. Apparently so can Brock > > ;) > > Yeah, I think SiTP is a truly great track and I'd love to see a real out > and out Hawkwind jam based on it. > > > Carl > > FoFP > Well I remember on the first date of the last US tour in Toronto, the *crowd* jammed out on this one. God knows who, but someone started up the old "Hawkwind, Hawkwind....." chant in SiTP and everyone joined in in time to Richards drumming. Its actually quite a bizare effect if you get a chance to hear a tape of it. I seem to remember shit eating grins on the bands faces (Rons first ever gig too). Audience Participation - thats the ticket ! Steve L. PS If anyone wants the full poll results posted go ahead and ask. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 11:01:10 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:01:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: FoFP said: >> >(that's due golden void >> >keybaord intro and Green finded demoned + studnik stan) >> > >> >Tim Langner >> >> Is this the same studnik stan that lives in a garbage pram? > >Too much LDS in the 60's? I had laugh at that idea. In the 60s I was at least -7years old which in real terms means I wasn't any where. One day I'll check my spelling. I'm glade to see though that golden void is still being done. And speaking of hawkwind not changin their sound because of keybaord routains. I have jet to hear a concert which sounds the same! I mean I love quo but they sound the same almost eveyr time apart from ones where the audience join in. Hakwwind sound different even without the audience. What I'd like hawkwind to do is do a tour where ewvery nigth they just jam. may be start on a song like briansdotmr.shouldn't do that A longish one and then go off and do whatever happens, for the next 2hours. But it won't happen. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jun 13 11:11:41 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:11:41 -0600 Subject: BOC : Summer Daze at Merriweather and More Gwar Stuff Message-ID: I was hoping to share a review of the Merriweather Post show from last night. I did not plan to make this show and in fact I'm not sure it even happened. Merriweather is an outdoor venue and it did rain some here yesterday. None of the newspapers have anything to say about the show. One choose to include a review of the John Mellencamp show which happened wenesday. More Gwar RJ said>PC- i dont believe in it much either. if we were in private i would have said it, but dint want to piss you off by saying it publicly. it wasnt important anyway. its just that (putting it nicely) i think your aunt {?} is a silly goose. ;) Hey that was my thinking then and now. 8>) RJ said> hey i agree with this p'graph whole heartedly. but you must find a medium. there are tons of parents who think it's everyone else's job to raise their kids for them, and tons more who are so overly protective that their kids grow up to be nice calm artichokes. by all means give the kids some credit. i was a total hellion when i was young, but am none the worse. i have an education. i finally graduated Highschool last month. i am in school for computers ( a good one, too), and i have a job on top of it, as a tech support person for panasonic. i have done more drugs than anyone i know, (who lived), and my brain still works- most of the time. if i could keep these damned gnomes out of my pantry, i'd be happier. oh- i babble a lot, too. but thats cos i never see the sun anymore, and have forgotten what my wife looks like. Man this took some courage to say and I admire you greatly for it. I'm longwinded and many times the point gets lost in the data overflow. Like you I was pretty wild and loose in my younger days too. Lots of smoke and beer so wonder I have any grey matter left at all. But I think you hit it on the button if we survive these days we usually turn out the better for it. Bottom line I guess I was trying to say I've reached that point in my life with my kids getting older that I am becoming my parents. I think this is inevitable for most of us who choose to become parents and accept full responsiblility for it. Not all do as you point out, some choose to defer to the school system or the police for what they have wrought. And you are also right that you can be overprotective and create someone not capable of functioning for themselves. With my guys I try to give them the facts on a subject and then let them come to a conclusion. Take marijuana. Tell them the pro's and con's, the truth consequences and rewards if any and then let them make up thier own minds. If you instilled in them the need to think things through and realize their are consequences, good and bad, you let them fly from there. Can't do much more than that. Born To go Tape - >I did, I did!!! Got mine yesterday and like it. Good job guys!!! Pam Marc>Yes, we think that we have really hit our stride with Navigator, lots of folk have had really good things to say about that track. We will be performing it tonight, live for the first time. I'll be checking your website for more info on the Space Rock fest. Sounds Like it will be a real blast. If I make it can you and the band autograph my copy of the tape? Never know what kind of value that could have in the future. 8>) According to the local papers Fates Warning is comming to Jaxx 8/8. Terrific, hope Kevin Moore is still jamming with them. Must have been a short European tour though. L8er lil' ab "When a nice clean brain tumbles to the dirty street to lie among the discarded wrappers and spat out gum wads of wickedness, you can't just pick it and wash it off with soap and water; you gotta think it clean form the inside out." - The Tick obcd - Dream Theater - Awake From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jun 12 17:16:35 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:16:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Jeff--- I, like you, was 15 when I first heard the mighty Hawks. I am now an aged 18 years old. Consider yourself unique, in a good way, that your musical tastes have develop at such an early age. Unlike you, my dad, nor any of my friends had ever even heard of Hawkwind. Instead, I first heard HW after buying a used copy of _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ at a local record store. I bought it because Lemmy was listed as the bassist on the back of the CD. At first hearing, my friends and I were amazed at how good the CD was, and how unlike Lemmy it was. I even compared this disc to the Moody Blues (why? I thought songs like D-Rider sounded like them...). To put it bluntly, I was instantly hooked. The next cd I bought was _Levitation_, which I did not like at all, and sold the next day. I now really like Levitation, so this is an example of how your tastes, as far as Hawkwind, will change. I also bought _Live Chronicles_ that day, and pretty much enjoyed it from the get-go. Yet, at this point, I was thoroughly confused as to what Hawkwind was all about. I mean, HOTMG didn't even sound remotely like _LC_. So, I figured I obviously had to delve deeper into my pockets and buy more HW albums. After much research on the band, and about 30 albums worth of material (not counting friends and relations...), I think I've finally come to a conclusion: Hawkwind are the masters of the barely explored musical territory called SPACEROCK. I've also concluded that the Hawks are one of my all-time favorite bands, along with Gong and Amon Duul 2. Since you ask, my 5 fave HW albums probably are: In Search of Space, Space Ritual, Hall of the Mountain Grill, Warrior on the Edge of Time, and Hawkwind. Although you didn't ask, my fave 5 relations albums are: Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix, _New World's Fair_, Robert Calvert, _Captian Lochheed and the Starfighters_, Nik Turner, _Past or Future?_, Amon Duul 2, _Yeti_, Simon House, _Trip to G9_. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com NeW Homepage, complete with pix w/o permission! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 13 10:38:55 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:38:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <9706131509.aa15330@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706131509.aa15330 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes > >Third album poll for this list: > >1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 895 31 10 1 208 >2 Space Ritual Alive 864 32 10 204 >3 Palace Springs 797 35 3 174 >4 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 791 36 5 1 248 >5 In Search Of Space 776 31 1 240 >6 Doremi Fasol Latido 773 33 187 >7 Quark Strangeness And Charm 762 32 1 212 >8 Choose Your Masques 752 17 2 248 >9 Sonic Attack 708 17 1 242 >10 Levitation 692 32 235 >11 The Business Trip 675 17 288 >12 Live Chronicles 669 33 2 263 >13 Hawkwind Live aka Live 79 636 30 1 250 >14 PXR5 623 29 208 >15 California Brainstorm 619 23 1 216 >16 The Approved History of Hawkwind 616 4 391 >17 Friday Rock Show - Live at Reading '86 613 23 248 >18 Roadhawks 611 17 1 256 >19 Electric Teepee 608 31 1 231 >20 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 606 28 224 > God! I am well surprised by some of those rankings! I don`t know who maintains this survey but if whoever does is reading, here are my top albums: Levitation Space Ritual Quark Mountain Grill Live Chronicles (the 2CD one) then the second level faves: 25 years Church of Hawkwind Black Sword Warrior on the edge Live 79 Electric Teepee From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jun 13 12:14:07 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:14:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: >>I thought that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was among the first: >>I seem to recall seeing Digital Master recordings of it at record shows >>some years ago. That would push the digital threshold back to '72-73. > >Hmmmmm, you could be right but I would be very surprised if quality >digital recording existed in 1972! Given the sound quality of DSotM, I would not doubt it. That has always been one of the best sounding recordings I've listened to, no matter what format, for years. Maybe they just did a brilliant job with analog? I know that DSotM was used while shopping for new stereo systems, as an ideal "test" medium. Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Jun 13 12:42:22 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:42:22 +1000 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > Ron: > > >what you forget, is that jerry c. IS elric, and that the needlegun IS > >stormbringer. > > Hup... what? why? how? Please explain. > I've got one JC book but I haven't read it yet. > mvh -Daniel Well, to put it simply, almost every Moorcock character is an aspect of the eternal champion, a person (thing?) that goes through an eternal continuation of different incarnations, each incarnation being defined by the particular social needs and situation that each place/time has set up. That is social needs define a cultures' mythology. Whether Elric/Jerry/Erikose/Corum/Hawkmoon/Etc simultaneously, in different universes, different time-streams, or further along in the same time, depends on the specific setting. Well, I hope that was at least a little lucid, as I only woke up ten minutes ago. - Max Wilcox From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jun 13 12:37:07 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:37:07 +0300 Subject: OFF: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: Carl wrote: > BTW, does anyone know which Kingston Wall track(s) they covered? > Hi, I don?t know but I can check it. Those Kingston Wall albums are very hard to find even here in Finland, so if you find them buy them! Miikka micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Fri Jun 13 13:34:23 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:34:23 -0700 Subject: NIK:Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: >> The Weighing Of Heart & Negative Confession (Travel Mix) >don't know why they say "Travel Mix" - sounds like the same >one off the Sphynx cd I know that this is on one of the Cleopatra compilations - Psychedelic Warlords or some such title, mostly early stuff. scorch From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 13 13:37:22 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:37:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions In-Reply-To: <0007dlhflbrd.H0000d99005c6180@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > >>I thought that Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was among the first: > >>I seem to recall seeing Digital Master recordings of it at record > shows > >>some years ago. That would push the digital threshold back to '72-73. > > > >Hmmmmm, you could be right but I would be very surprised if quality > >digital recording existed in 1972! > > Given the sound quality of DSotM, I would not doubt it. That has always > been one of the best sounding recordings I've listened to, no matter > what format, for years. Maybe they just did a brilliant job with > analog? I know that DSotM was used while shopping for new stereo > systems, as an ideal "test" medium. Maybe folks are getting a bit confused here. To my knowledge, the majority of the Pink Floyd catalogue was only relatively recently (i.e. within the last couple of years) "digitally remastered," the results of which went to form the _Shine On_ box set, initially, and, subsequently, saw individual release. I bought my copy of the remastered edition of _Dark Side of the Moon_ in 1993, as a special "20th Anniversary Edition" mini-box. Back in my vinyl days, I would occasionally come across "Half-Speed Mastered" versions of _Dark Side of the Moon_ and _Wish You Were Here_, which were Japanese imports. Maybe folks are thinking of those? I think _Dark Side of the Moon_ is simply a well-engineered analogue recording. What's so unusual about that? A bad microphone can undo even the best quality digital recording equipment. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Led Zeppelin, _The Song Remains the Same_ soundtrack e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From raider at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jun 13 13:41:42 1997 From: raider at PIPELINE.COM (Brian Frenck) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:41:42 -0400 Subject: BOC : Summer Daze at Merriweather Message-ID: At 09:11 AM 6/13/97 -0600, you wrote: >I was hoping to share a review of the Merriweather Post show from last >night. I did not plan to make this show and in fact I'm not sure it >even happened. Merriweather is an outdoor venue and it did rain some >here yesterday. None of the newspapers have anything to say about the >show. One choose to include a review of the John Mellencamp show which >happened wenesday. It did indeed happen last night. I was one of the many there. order was Travers, Foghat, BOC, and Steppenwolf. Setlist for BOC was Stairway to the Stars, ETI, Buck's Boogie, OD'd on Life, Cities on Flame, Burning for you, Godzilla, and Dont't fear the Reaper. Eric sung all the songs except Buck's Boogie (obviously) and Burning for you. As for the quality of Eric's voice? A bit uncertain. the tech crew didn't do a very good job with the mic levels. I'll be posting a complete review of this concert on my web sight shortly. seeya Brian a.k.a. ShadowOfCA ----------------------------------------------------------- Whether it's On Your Feet Or On Your Knees, you gotta visit Imaginos. A Blue Oyster Cult Home Page http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1615/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 18:53:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:53:07 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: On fre 13 jun 1997 19.37 "Miikka Wagner" wrote: > Carl wrote: > > BTW, does anyone know which Kingston Wall track(s) they covered? > > I don?t know but I can check it. Kiitos! > Those Kingston Wall albums are very > hard to find even here in Finland, so if you find them buy them! Yes--I have the first and _Tri-logy_ on CD, and the tape copy of the second. I heard a rumor that they would be re-released, which would be great! Cheers, Carl From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jun 13 16:12:46 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:12:46 -0700 Subject: Everything Rules/Sucks! Message-ID: Carl-- (re: Amorphis EP) I'm pretty sure the EP is called "My Kantele" The Kingston Wall track is "And I Hear You Call" Full track listing: My Kantele The Brother Slayer The Lost Son Levitation And I Hear You Call Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jun 13 16:44:44 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:44:44 -0700 Subject: HW: Amorphis EP Message-ID: New report on Amorphis' My Kantele: Just now wrapping up a second listen... The first track is...hmm...I dunno... but tracks 2 and 3 are nice Hawky-Darxstarish space rock... I think it's fair to say that A have sorta gone in a Drxtr direction here...melodic, kinda-metal, spacey synths...it helps that they're Swedish also, especially w/the vocals. The Lev cover is fine...but I've just heard this song so much, I guess I'm a little tired of it...but very well-done... The Kingston Wall track is great. KW musta been a great band... Charlie From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 13 18:04:32 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:04:32 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > And I think the original WotEoT A&B/GV was not crushingly heavy > enough, for all that it had Lemmy playing on it :) Here at least we are in agreement... Oh, I think I may have made another convert... or else someone is going far out of their way to be nice to me. Thank heavens for `Flying Doctor'... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 13 04:42:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:42:18 +0100 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp In-Reply-To: <19970613012100707.AAA189@vucqpqlj> Message-ID: In article <19970613012100707.AAA189 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings writes >if >i could keep these damned gnomes out of my pantry, i'd be happier. You get them too? I use mouse traps. It's not very effective and only catches the odd one by the beard but what can you do? Use rat poison or something heavy, they get *really* pissed off and start charging through the living room in their hundreds. In fact the other night, one crawled across my floor, climbed up on the shelf, went behind my piggy-bank and....... -- Jon Browne From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Jun 13 20:41:29 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:41:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: Mr. Lagner: are you dyslexic or just type very carelessly or what? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Jun 13 11:43:57 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:43:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >> That is one hell of a bold statement there... >> Isn't trashing _Space Ritual_ sort of like trashing the Bible? > > yes, it is. but depending on your point of view, so is thrashing live >chronicles. >space ritual got me into HW. live chronicles brought me back. I've never trashed live chronicles! Some of the tracks off that album to this day rank up there as favorites...Moonglum, Song of the Swords, Zarozinia, Rocky Paths. _I_ have only trashed one thing: NEEDLE GUN!!! From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 20:54:05 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:54:05 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Ron: >what you forget, is that jerry c. IS elric, and that the needlegun IS >stormbringer. Hup... what? why? how? Please explain. I've got one JC book but I haven't read it yet. mvh -Daniel well have you read the elric books? there is at least one passage in JC where the same words are used and only names and places are changed. ('such confidence, gentlemen, is warming to the heart.') as you may or may not know, most of moorcocks books are about the eternal champion. the characters sometimes are aware of that, most times not. they are one spirit in many bodies, spaces, and times. there are three entities who are almost always present. -the champion: elric, corum, hawkmoon, erekose, etc... -the companion: moonglum, jhary-a-conel,wheldrake(?)... -the black sword: stormbringer, needlegun, the jewel in the skull(?? or was it the runestaff?) the weapon is sometimes sentient, sometimes not. the needle gun is not sentient, but as always is symbolic of (something)...opinions differ on what that something is. regardless of what anyone says, i think it was deliberately left open to interpretation. i can see valid arguments in most of the opinions i have heard about it. hope that helps... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 20:55:23 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:55:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: > Jon > > >I must buy you a drink sometime... > > Any time! :) > > >oh by the way, you're doing this again... > > >begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT > > Yeah, it seemed to reset itself somehow, the little bugger. Sorry everyone. > > - Andy > its the curse of the evil "cookies!" rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 21:19:23 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:19:23 -0400 Subject: BOC : Summer Daze at Merriweather and More Gwar Stuff Message-ID: > With my guys I try to give them the facts on a subject and then let them > come to a conclusion. Take marijuana. Tell them the pro's and con's, > the truth consequences and rewards if any and then let them make up > thier own minds. If you instilled in them the need to think things > through and realize their are consequences, good and bad, you let them > fly from there. Can't do much more than that. i think you are right. you can't do much more than that. scare tactics NEVER work. the truth often will. in school, i was lied to. i was told that ANY drugs would make me lose my grip on reality, that i would see hallucinations and such. dammit, i wanted to SEE those pink elephants! i never did. what i saw was an over-whelming desire to stay stoned. i saw myself spend half my 12th grade year skipping class, from an A average to a big fat zero. i found myself out of school, out of work, and ousted by my family. i found myself in the army, thinking it was all that was left for me to do. see, they lied to me again and told me my life was over cos i dint graduate. i would never find a job. well graduating is just what oz gave to the lion,scarecrow,and tinman. a big placebo. not saying it has no value, it has a LOT of value. but its real value is in self-esteem. this sounds like a sob story, but it isnt. i am happy with the way things turned out. i regret the lost time, but i have whatever time remains. i am using it much more wisely now. i now return you to your reg-u-lar-ly scheduled program. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 21:21:29 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:21:29 -0400 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: hahahahahaha =) thanks fior the tip, jon! rj > >if > >i could keep these damned gnomes out of my pantry, i'd be happier. > > You get them too? I use mouse traps. It's not very effective and only > catches the odd one by the beard but what can you do? Use rat poison or > something heavy, they get *really* pissed off and start charging through > the living room in their hundreds. In fact the other night, one crawled > across my floor, climbed up on the shelf, went behind my piggy-bank > and....... > -- > Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 13 23:23:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:23:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: > >> That is one hell of a bold statement there... > >> Isn't trashing _Space Ritual_ sort of like trashing the Bible? > > > > yes, it is. but depending on your point of view, so is thrashing live > >chronicles. > >space ritual got me into HW. live chronicles brought me back. > > I've never trashed live chronicles! Some of the tracks off that album to > this day rank up there as favorites...Moonglum, Song of the Swords, > Zarozinia, Rocky Paths. _I_ have only trashed one thing: NEEDLE GUN!!! i didnt say you did. but i am sure that you are aware that some people have been doing so. i dont really care. i like it, and its not for the benefit of anyone else. i think slagging something like this on this list is pretty tasteless. but to each his own. and whoever said it didnt just say they didnt like it, they said it sucked. i dont know why ANYONE would say that. i especially dont know why a FAN would say it. ???? rj From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Jun 14 03:30:47 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:30:47 -0600 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <19970613012100707.AAA189 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings > writes > >if > >i could keep these damned gnomes out of my pantry, i'd be happier. > > You get them too? I use mouse traps. It's not very effective and only > catches the odd one by the beard but what can you do? Use rat poison or > something heavy, they get *really* pissed off and start charging through > the living room in their hundreds. In fact the other night, one crawled > across my floor, climbed up on the shelf, went behind my piggy-bank > and....... > -- > Jon Browne and.....? Send -em my way-I will feed and pamper them and force them to do this housework that I'm sadly behind in:) Thanx for the laugh guy-I sure needed it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Charlie wrote: >New report on Amorphis' My Kantele: > >.it helps that they're Swedish also, What! What! They are not! This is great Finish band. Miikka From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 14 10:22:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:22:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Amorphis EP Message-ID: On fre 13 jun 1997 13.44 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > it helps that they're Swedish also, Eeeek! Amorphis are Finnish, not Swedish. You could get in trouble making that kind of mistake some places .... ;) > The Kingston > Wall track is great. KW musta been a great band... Completely excellent band. I find they combined many of the best points of Zeppelin, Hendrix, and Steve Hillage. Their albums are among my tops for the decade and I'd probably have to take at least one fo a desert island list. (KW were Finnish too.) Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 13 12:37:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:37:31 +0100 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Carl Edlund Anderson writes >I get the feeling that if you are straight with >kids all the way they will understand most things. I don't want to shelter >any kids I have since I think that will, in the end, confuse them worse >than ever (and take something away from someone and they want it instantly, >right?). I can't see a lot of problems with this approach. I don't even believe in the Generation Gap or that a lot of the beef I had with my Dad's generation was to do with my age. I'm 32 now and I still think *that* generation's fucked. I'm hardly going to blow my wheels if either of my kids are gay, toke out or are pagans. As long as they respect other people's rights and property, they can do whatever makes them happy. > > If I had kids, I'd take 'em to see Motorhead in an instant (if they >wanted to go :) "No you can't borrow the car! You're comin' with me to see Motorhead, young man, or YOU ARE GROUNDED!!!!" My biggest fear is my son becomes a jazz duffer. I can just see him in a tweed jacket with patches on the elbows, smoking a pipe. I'm headdbangin to Brainstorm, he comes in and says something like "really, father, must you listen to that infernal racket? These fellows can scarcely play their instruments. And where's the melody?" *scary* -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Jun 14 06:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:40:00 +0100 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Fri, 13 Jun 97 17:37 +0100 Message-ID: On 13 Jun 17:37, Jon Browne wrote: > "No you can't borrow the car! You're comin' with me to see Motorhead, > young man, or YOU ARE GROUNDED!!!!" I think you should try that. A weird upbringing is an important gift ;-) > My biggest fear is my son becomes a jazz duffer. > I'm headdbangin to Brainstorm, he comes in and says something > like "really, father, must you listen to that infernal racket? These > fellows can scarcely play their instruments. And where's the melody?" If he does, play him some Charles Gayle or Art Ensemble Of Chicago. Undeniably jazz; hardly a melody in sight ;-) Bland, they aren't. ObGig: Charles Gayle and Sunny Murray. They *ripped*. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Sat Jun 14 07:04:43 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:04:43 -0400 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: I've just been reminded about two HW videos that I'm wondering if anyone has any info on. The first is (I think) a German TV concert, from 1972. I heard about this years ago, but can't remember where. Has anyone ever heard of this, or even seen it? The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. The guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown at a HW convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? I would sell my soul to Marilyn Manson (even worse than Satan, ho ho ho) for copies of these... but I don't know if I'm wasting my time looking for them. Anyone have *any* info? cheers, Dave From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jun 13 16:57:50 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:57:50 -0700 Subject: HW: Palace Springs Message-ID: Tony -- L.A. County, eh? Whereabouts exactly? I'm in LA now and then, maybe we could get together sometime and talk Hawk. I live in Redlands. Rest of the list: Sorry, but I couldn't get Tony's address off the e-mail...I guess I have a crappy system here... Charlie From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jun 13 21:26:49 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:26:49 -0700 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: Hi Daniel, >> In Holland we have just had a tour of British band Rockbitch; six bisexual >> and lesbian women and one man doing everything on stage they sing about, >> among "Fistfuck". > Is it the same band as Genitortueres (sp?) or just a similar act? No and no. Rockbitch is sheer porn on stage. Audience participation welcomed warmly, men with dildos on their heads entering the ladies (?), bottles, fists and dicks etc. During the gig they cast a golden condom into the audience and the lucky (?) one who catches it, is invited back stage after the gig to shag the band's slave. Ugly women, btw... Ttyl, Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Jun 14 07:56:02 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:56:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jun 13, 97 01:37:22 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > I think _Dark Side of the Moon_ is simply a well-engineered analogue > recording. What's so unusual about that? A bad microphone can undo even > the best quality digital recording equipment. You're right, it is a well-egineered analogue recording. The engineer was one Alan Parsons, whose credits also include the Beatles _Abbey Road_. IMHO, both albums sound better on vinyl. As for the advent of digital recording, I suspect it was applied to jazz or classical before rock, though _Levitation_ is clearly an early application of the technology. Maybe it was Ginger Baker's doing? BTW, on Frank Zappa's _You Can't do That on Stage Anymore Vol. 1_, the track "You Didn't Try to Call Me" was recorded July 3, 1980, on Sony's new PCM 1600 2-channel digital recording system, in an "instant studio" set up in a dressing room. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 14 09:19:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:19:30 +0100 Subject: Off GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp In-Reply-To: <199706141040.LAA07877@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706141040.LAA07877 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >If he does, play him some Charles Gayle or Art Ensemble Of Chicago. >Undeniably jazz; hardly a melody in sight ;-) Bland, they aren't. > >ObGig: Charles Gayle and Sunny Murray. They *ripped*. Thanks for the tip! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 14 04:50:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:50:00 +0100 Subject: cotbs In-Reply-To: <19970614005457384.AAA165@vucqpqlj> Message-ID: In article <19970614005457384.AAA165 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings writes > there are three entities who are >almost always present. >-the champion: elric, corum, hawkmoon, erekose, etc... >-the companion: moonglum, jhary-a-conel,wheldrake(?)... >-the black sword: stormbringer, needlegun, the jewel in the skull(?? or was >it the runestaff?) I make it four. there's also the consort, Ermizhad, Rhalina, Zarozinia etc. -- Jon Browne From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Sat Jun 14 11:42:59 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:42:59 -0400 Subject: HW:Needle Gun, CotBS, Strange Daze Message-ID: Hi In regards to the following i throw in my humble opinion: 1)CotBS - Good but not great. They definately got it right by LC. 2)Needle Gun - Andrew Apold has it right in that it fits the mileau (sp) but more importantly if you know the Corneilies Chronicles it makes more sense and is actually a great piece. 3)Strange Daze - REALLY looking forward to going. If there are any folks in the "New England" area that are comming plese email me and we can car pool. I live in the Albany NY area. -- Mike ---------- aka corwyn at global2000 and habiby at nadn.com also seen in and around the www so if you do see him box his ears and send him home to http://www.members.global2000.net/~corwyn From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Jun 14 12:03:58 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:03:58 +1000 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <19970614005457384.AAA165 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings > writes > > there are three entities who are > >almost always present. > >-the champion: elric, corum, hawkmoon, erekose, etc... > >-the companion: moonglum, jhary-a-conel,wheldrake(?)... > >-the black sword: stormbringer, needlegun, the jewel in the skull(?? or was > >it the runestaff?) > > I make it four. there's also the consort, Ermizhad, Rhalina, Zarozinia > etc. You could go on forever doing this but let me say that I think you could also include almost every protagonist in (almost) all of his more recent books, perhaps excepting Mother London, though it still deals with exactly the same themes, ...every protagonist being an incarnation of the champion. Pyat from the Between the Wars series certainly thinks of himself as the champion, for example. My Moorcock web page is going up soon, by the way (plug plug), as soon as I get the next two weeks' work out of the way and I find somewhere other than my own server to host it. But it'll contain LOTS of considerations of things such as this, and many more topics. Errr... yes sorry to have lapsed into advertising mode, but there you go... - Max Wilcox From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jun 14 13:00:06 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:00:06 -0400 Subject: NEW CD: Jones, Evans & Turner Message-ID: Blueprint (voiceprint) has just released a new cd "Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans, Nik Turner & Friends - Live" it is live tracks taken from: Forest Fayre, Keele University & Whirlygig - London it's very nice - mostly "jazzy" i know this is kind of a limp review but i've just heard it once. i'm not sure if it's gonna go down in history of one of the cd greats but it is quite enjoyable this Cd can be had by ordering from Delta Wave and i assume directly from Voiceprint bl From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jun 14 13:03:58 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:03:58 -0400 Subject: HW: trashing HW recordings!!! Message-ID: almost all HW recordings are permanently tied as my favorite. the ones that don't burn a path to the turntable (remember that antique that spins) or cd player are mostly the unofficial crap (i don't think i even need to quote examples here) Black Sword is a masterpiece, as is almost all of the balance of their studio recordings. spank you bl From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jun 14 13:05:57 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:05:57 -0400 Subject: Born To Go (Free Tape) Message-ID: nice job on the Born To Go "This Is Space Rock" tape, Marc!!! From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jun 14 13:47:31 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:47:31 -0400 Subject: Deadline for fanzine material Message-ID: July 10 1997 is the cut-off date for anyone wishing to submit materials to Hawk-U.S./Time & Space. We are accepting articles, reviews, photos, cartoons artwork etc... Issue #6 should be ready before the laborday gigs and there are planned special inserts in this issue if all plans work out e-mail if you've questions bl From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jun 14 17:01:41 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:01:41 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > writes >> there are three entities who are >>almost always present. >>-the champion: elric, corum, hawkmoon, erekose, etc... >>-the companion: moonglum, jhary-a-conel,wheldrake(?)... >>-the black sword: stormbringer, needlegun, the jewel in the skull(?? or was >>it the runestaff?) The runestaff was seperate, I believe. It was in the tower when Corum/Elric/Erekose were merged with their swords, seperately. It seems to be an artifact that exists only once throughout the spheres, but moves about them freely.... As for other things that are always present, it does seem that the city Tanelorn exists in every world also, though in some it has fallen.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 15 02:46:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:46:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: A certain fire-breather wants some commenstr on this: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Jun 15 03:39:54 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:39:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Pressurehed Tour Dates Message-ID: OK... I figured out how to do this ... here are the dates for Pressurehed during the summer: ---- Forwarded message follows ---- From: "cleopatra at tunanet.com" Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive Subject: * SUMMER TOUR DATES * Date: 11 Jun 1997 18:18:23 GMT CLEOPATRA LABEL GROUP TOURS AS OF 6/4/97 DATES FOR: PRESSUREHED (Prog/Space Rock w/ Killer Light Show) PRESSUREHEAD SUMMER 1997 July 17 Paradise Lounge San Francisco, CA 18 John Henry's Eugene, OR 19 Satyricon Portland, OR 21 Neurolux Boise, ID 25 Synopsium Cleveland, OH 26 Nyabinghi Morgantown, WV 31 Upstairs at Nicks Philadelphia, PA August 02 Zeitgeist New Orleans, LA 05 the Orbit Room Dallas, TX 06 Emo's Austin, TX 08 Debut Records El Paso, TX ---------- End inluded message ---------- Well, *I'm* enthused. :-) Damon C Capehart From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Jun 15 04:14:06 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:14:06 -0700 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: (he got me i a good idea of whats out there. > Jeff >> > Well, I am no longer a teen (24 yrs old now) but I got into Hawkwind when I > wasn't much older than you. I proudly state that I used to be one of the youthier ones here...24 now, long out of the race... I think Brian Halligan (BOC fan) is about my age, or 23...and Damon Capehart. It's tough to be a young Hawkfan in the US, ain't it? You kinda feel like you're alone and cold on the edge of time... I also had discovered and devoured the Elric > series (along with Corum, Erekose, and of course HAWKMOON). I was also a big > fan of Motorhead and watched an interview with him in which he was handed a > bag of goodies and asked to comment on each item in the bag. One of the > items was a Michael Moorcock novel (to which he stated something to the > effect of "a great author... but a pity about the last name.") "Michael More Plots. Yes, Michael Moorcock, most unfortunate name, but we won't go into that on family television now, will we?" Moorcock indirectly got me into BOC, via Black Blade. I had read the Elric series and was a big fan. At first I thought BOC just wrote a tune about Elric, then realized MM had actually collaborated with them...then heard he collaborated w/HW...finally realized he was actually a member with HW...that was the evolution of my realization of MM's involvement w/rock music... and another > was a Hawkwind album. I was 16 at the time, and had read some mentions of > Hawkwind in the gaming magazine White Dwarf, along with some mentions of > Elric. I decided that I just had to hear Hawkwind. > > About a year later, I finally found my first Hawkalbum: Anthology 2 on > cassette. As I have said before and will say again, it can be such a pain to > find Hawkwind in the U.S.!! > Amen, Tony! Such frustration. Gotta move up to Frisco, someone here said that's a good place to find Space Rock in the Western Hemisphere. > 5 Fave Hawkalbums? In no particular order: Doremi Faso Latido, Quark, > Strangeness and Charm, California Brainstorm (how did I miss this concert?), > Palace Springs, and Electric Tepee. > Space Ritual (though I've finally grown a bit tired of it after 500 plays), Doremi, Warrior, Church (I love the early '80s stuff...lush, electronic, experimental, successfull--Mists of Meridin is to me the pinnacle of ambient music, "Void City" is another favorite, and I find alot of inspiring stuff on Sonic Attack, too), PXR5. Just picked up It Is The Biz, finally, some wonderful tracks, esp. Space is Their Palestine... > Tony A less descriminating Hawkfan, Charlie From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jun 15 04:54:40 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:54:40 +0200 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: At 07:04 14.06.97 -0400, you wrote: >The first is (I think) a German TV concert, from 1972. I have this one. It's only a short clip (2 minutes) of HAWKWIND playing SILVER MACHINE in Dunstable at 07.07.1972 >The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. That's new for me. Never heard about such a video. I only know that as far as I know the Uxbridge gig (24.11.1978) was filmed but a video was never released. If you should get it, I'd be VERY interested to get a copy ! cu Bernhard From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Jun 15 04:49:02 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:49:02 -0700 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: ---------- > From: Ian R > >> That is one hell of a bold statement there... > >> Isn't trashing _Space Ritual_ sort of like trashing the Bible? > > > > yes, it is. Yes it is. but depending on your point of view, so is thrashing live > >chronicles. Maybe this one question is worthy of a poll in itself. I love LC. "Magnu" always got me going with the Huy solos, nice distant version of Shade Gate (one of my gave HW tracks, live and studio), inspiring "Rocky Paths", nice instrumental "Dust Of Time"..."Moonglum" is nice melodic Huyey..."Dragons & Fables" bores me in any form...as does Solitary Mind Games and Waiting For Tomorrow, after a thousound listens, I still hope to find some pleasure somewhere in these latter three tracks, but always fail... > >space ritual got me into HW. live chronicles brought me back. > > I've never trashed live chronicles! Some of the tracks off that album to > this day rank up there as favorites...Moonglum, Song of the Swords, > Zarozinia, Rocky Paths. _I_ have only trashed one thing: NEEDLE GUN!!! I loved it at first (CotBS), in a sort of mean-BOC way...then became incredibly tired of it and thought it was the poppiest, most-contrived Hawktune ever written...now I just sing along and usually enjoy it...vote for "catchiest" Hawktune evert written... When a band for their whole career has been playing totally non-commercial, riotous material, maybe a diversion into "pop" isn't a sell-out, but rather a risk...just a guess...I'm sure cynics will disagree... Charlie From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Jun 15 10:47:52 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:47:52 +1000 Subject: HW: Amorphis EP Message-ID: At 11:29 AM 14/06/97 +0300, Miikka Wagner wrote: >Charlie wrote: > >>New report on Amorphis' My Kantele: >> >>.it helps that they're Swedish also, > >What! What! They are not! This is great Finish band. > > Are you saying that they are a great finish?? OR that are from Finland (Finnish)?? heheheh. ; ) Troy (Back to lurk) >Miikka > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Jun 16 12:19:44 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:19:44 EST Subject: HW: Mission Control In-Reply-To: ; from "Sonique" at Jun 15, 97 04:46:24 pm Message-ID: Cool ,now where them australian tour dates regards Marty From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jun 15 23:09:25 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:09:25 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control In-Reply-To: <199706160119.LAA08435@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On 16 Jun 97 at 11:19, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Cool ,now where them australian tour dates This week ... seriously! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Shadoweye at AOL.COM Mon Jun 16 00:00:51 1997 From: Shadoweye at AOL.COM (Dave Price) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:00:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) Message-ID: Yes, you're onto something here, the fact that you and I will agree to disagree. Live Chronicles is possibly my favorite Hawkwind album and to say that the Heavy Metal phase was the worst, I can't personally tolerate early songs of Hawkwind's on some albums, so what? The Chronicle of the Black Sword proved Hawkwind's talent for telling a coherant story while not falling prey to the mundane tripe most so called story telling bands do. I find the lyrics emotionally charged and the music equal to the task. Your comments in my mind show no tolerance what-so-ever, for even I will 'suffer' through songs I don't necessarily care for to get to others I enjoy. If you don't like something fine, but to say you don't like it is different from saying it sucks and no one should. That simply tells me your opinion is fairly pointless. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 12:32:34 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:32:34 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Royal Albert Hall--where? Message-ID: Er, does anyone know what tube stop London's Royal Albert Hall is near? A guy I know might have some extra tickets for Phish there tonight, but I've no idea where it is at might being heading down on my own if the deal works out. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 12:52:46 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:52:46 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: GWAR & Kids/Motorhead & Wasp Message-ID: On fre 13 jun 1997 17.37 "Jon Browne" wrote: > My biggest fear is my son becomes a jazz duffer. > I can just see him in a tweed jacket with patches on the elbows, smoking > a pipe. I'm headdbangin to Brainstorm, he comes in and says something > like "really, father, must you listen to that infernal racket? These > fellows can scarcely play their instruments. And where's the melody?" > *scary* Well, if my kids rebel by becoming really straight and dull, that's OK--my backup plan is corrupting my grandchildren :) I look forward to being a dreadful old man :) And wouldn't it just drive my kids insane? :) Cheers, Carl ObTrack: Motorhead. "Stay Clean" From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 16 08:03:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:03:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Royal Albert Hall--where? In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Mon, 16 Jun 97 12:32 +0000 Message-ID: On 16 Jun 13:32, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Er, does anyone know what tube stop London's Royal Albert Hall is near? South Kensington, I believe. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jun 16 08:06:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:06:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Jeffrey Hoyt's mail of Wed, 11 Jun 97 22:36 -0400 Message-ID: On 12 Jun 03:36, Jeffrey Hoyt wrote: > I'm almost 15 > and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. I never used > to like Hawkwind until I read the Elric series. After I told my dad I > liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a > listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is > one of my favorite bands. I gave Live Chronicles to my nieces last Christmas but one. They were a bit dubious at first, but the middle one soon got really into it. She was 14 then. LC seems to be a good album to give to people as their first Hawkwind. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 08:10:27 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:10:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: John said: >Mr. Langner: >are you dyslexic or just type very carelessly or what? >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org I'm both, although if you want other excuses I've got diphia which is slight coordination problems (hand writing) so for all I know may be some fingers hit other keys first. I don't think I have other excuses I can add! I'll use the spell checker next time. Oh I like to ask does any one know what is going to happen with the 1970 hakwind concert film found? Could any one here watch a silent film, I certainly would if it was the only way to see it. Come hawkwind let us see you play even if there is no sound. It's better than nothing. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 13:19:38 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:19:38 BST Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: gingoblin@easynet.co.uk's message of Sat, 14 Jun 1997 07:04:43 -0400 Message-ID: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes: > I've just been reminded about two HW videos that I'm wondering if anyone has > any info on. > The first is (I think) a German TV concert, from 1972. I heard about this > years ago, but can't remember where. Has anyone ever heard of this, or even > seen it? The only German 1972 video clip that I know anything about is the one minute clip of Hawkwind doing 'Silver Machine' at a disco with Stacia, bubbles and all that was done for the BBC Top of the Pops show. There's a very well dressed German announcer at the beginning saying something along the lines of (I guess) "This is Hawkwind" but it's only a minute or so in length. If the BBC filmed anything longer than that it seems to have been lost in the archives but if you *do* know of a full length version........ > The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. The > guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown at a HW > convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? There was a HawkOn convention in 1985 but I don't know if any videos were shown then. It's the only time there has been one I think although perhaps someone knows of other occasions? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 13:52:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:52:21 GMT+0100 Subject: HW:Needle Gun, CotBS, Strange Daze Message-ID: On l?r 14 jun 1997 11.42 "Michael S. Habiby" wrote: > 3)Strange Daze - REALLY looking forward to going. If there are any folks > in the "New England" area that are comming plese email me and we can car > pool. I live in the Albany NY area. Well, I'd like to go--but it really depends on whether my girlfriend can be convinced to drive in from Boston (it's her car). Where is the town its being held anyway? Cheers, Carl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 16 08:54:13 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:54:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: So who's going to open the bidding for Ron's robot then? (Don't look at me, I haven't got anywhere to put it! :) - Andy ObCD: Natacha Atlas - _Halim_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Jun 16 09:10:20 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:10:20 -0400 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: Jill wrote: >The only German 1972 video clip that I know anything about is the one >minute clip of Hawkwind doing 'Silver Machine' at a disco with >Stacia, bubbles and all that was done for the BBC Top of the Pops show. >There's a very well dressed German announcer at the beginning saying >something along the lines of (I guess) "This is Hawkwind" but it's >only a minute or so in length. If the BBC filmed anything longer >than that it seems to have been lost in the archives but if you *do* >know of a full length version........ > I have this clip, but was under the impression that there was a full gig. I think the German presenter at the beginning of this clip is only because all the tapes of it doing the rounds are from the same source... a showing of the promo clip on German satellite TV a couple of years back. A friend saw (what I assume was) the full clip on VH-1 about 18months ago, but I've never seen a copy. It's too painful watching VH-1 to see if it turns up again! >> The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. The >> guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown at a HW >> convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? > >There was a HawkOn convention in 1985 but I don't know if any videos >were shown then. It's the only time there has been one I think >although perhaps someone knows of other occasions? Yup, 1985 sounds about right... anyone on the list there? Remember any videos being shown? Bernhard mentioned the Uxbridge '78 show being filmed, so I reckon it's gotta be this show. I have videos by other bands where they're filmed in the UK, but for foreign TV, so this is possibly the Italian TV show. Who knows, it might turn up one day... stranger things have happened! Dave From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 16 09:38:13 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:38:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706161210.NAA08242@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, langner timothy wrote: > Oh I like to ask does any one know what is going to happen with the 1970 > hakwind concert film found? Could any one here watch a silent film, I > certainly would if it was the only way to see it. I hear tell that if you start Pink Floyd's _Dark Side of the Moon_ playing at the third Lemmy belch, it meshes perfectly with the onstage action! Strange, but true... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ (essential!!) obPeeve: Discovering that Warren Haynes and Allen Woody have left the Allman Brothers Band a couple of months before I get tickets to see them live. (If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all...) :-( e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 16 10:11:25 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:11:25 PDT Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions In-Reply-To: <199706131351.XAA24080@shell-01.webconcept.com.au>; from "Troy Harris" at Jun 13, 97 11:51 pm Message-ID: Troy sez.... (about digital recordings in the rock genre) > Can anyone find the first?? > > Troy > I think I can answer this one! It was a totally forgettable girl-group (ala Blondie) called 1999 and their release was "Please Stand By". Only two or three tracks on the LP were done digitally, the rest were good ol' analog. This came out in '78 or so. Yeah, I have a copy.... obCDPlayer: Ship Of Fools / Close You Eyes (Forget The World) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Jun 15 12:18:50 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:18:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >I loved it at first (CotBS), in a sort of mean-BOC way...then became >incredibly tired of it and thought it was the poppiest, most-contrived >Hawktune ever written...now I just sing along and usually enjoy >it...vote >for "catchiest" Hawktune evert written... I vote for "Kerb Crawler". From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Jun 15 12:15:17 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:15:17 -0400 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:54:40 +0200 Bernhard Pospiech writes: >At 07:04 14.06.97 -0400, you wrote: >>The first is (I think) a German TV concert, from 1972. > >I have this one. It's only a short clip (2 minutes) of HAWKWIND >playing >SILVER MACHINE in Dunstable at 07.07.1972 I have a question on this: in this clip, is Nik wearing facepaint? At one point, it looks like you can see a hunched over figure w/ facepaint on, but I thought Nik was in the front? Since it's black and white, it's sort of hard to tell... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 16:44:08 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:44:08 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: HawkYouth Message-ID: On s?n 15 jun 1997 01.14 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > It's tough to be a young Hawkfan in the US, ain't it? You kinda feel > like you're alone and cold on the edge of time... I solved this problem by corrupting most of my friends at university :) Since Hawkwind is not a name associated with "old crusties" in the US, I think I know more young people there who were into them than I do in the UK! Though it looked to me like quite a number of the fans in Blackheath were probably still in nappies when Space Ritual came out :) Cheers, Carl From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jun 16 12:12:26 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:12:26 -0600 Subject: Snoozing on Summer Daze, Again! Message-ID: lil ab said>I did not plan to make this show and in fact I'm not sure it even happened. Brian said>It did indeed happen last night. I was one of the many there. order was Travers, Foghat, BOC, and Steppenwolf. Setlist for BOC was Stairway to the Stars, ETI, Buck's Boogie, OD'd on Life, Cities on Flame, Burning for you, Godzilla, and Dont't fear the Reaper. Eric sung all the songs except Buck's Boogie (obviously) and Burning for you. As for the quality of Eric's voice? A bit uncertain. the tech crew didn't do a very good job with the mic levels. I'll be posting a complete review of this concert on my web sight shortly. seeya Brian" Ok thats twice in a row now I've heard that elsewhere during the geezer fests, BOC goes on first, plays a few notes and leaves the stage. They get to Merriweather and bingo, they are next to last and get to add a few more songs. Given the chance for the slightly expanded setlist I wonder why not one song from EW? Was EW even mentioned during the set? Good to hear that Eric may be doing more than keys these days. L8er lil' ab "When a nice clean brain tumbles to the dirty street to lie among the discarded wrappers and spat out gum wads of wickedness, you can't just pick it up and wash it off with soap and water; you gotta think it clean form the inside out." - The Tick ob cd - Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Grey From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 16 13:08:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:08:45 EDT Subject: Bash CN no more, dogs! Message-ID: This month's Guitar World gives CN [reissue] 4 gtrs out of five. I can't remember any album ever getting 5... Herewith the review: Club Ninja wasn't a big hit back in 1985, but fleet-fingered Buck Dharma still cooks all over this reissue, turning up the juice on 'Dancin' in the Ruins,' 'Shadow Warrior,' and the extended barnburner, 'Perfect Water.' Among the first generation of heavy metal guitarists, Buck was Godzilla, indeed. ############################# Might be worth noting that BD used to be a contributor to the mag., so maybe they were a bit lavish in praise of a lesser album. Also of note the cuts they chose to praise. Wonder what kind of review EW will get? theo From ChStier at AOL.COM Mon Jun 16 14:33:13 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:33:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: Hmmm.... The Alien 4 robot is up for sale. That would be the ultimate for Bernhard's kollection ;-) A very good looking site, BTW. Chris From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 16 11:11:55 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:11:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <19970616.105442.12134.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: In article <19970616.105442.12134.1.IanFines at juno.com>, Ian R Fines writes >>I loved it at first (CotBS), in a sort of mean-BOC way...then became >>incredibly tired of it and thought it was the poppiest, most-contrived >>Hawktune ever written...now I just sing along and usually enjoy >>it...vote >>for "catchiest" Hawktune evert written... >I vote for "Kerb Crawler". What about Quark, Strangness and Charm? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 16 19:51:21 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:51:21 BST Subject: HW: Mission Control In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:46:24 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > A certain fire-breather wants some commenstr on this: > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ Wow! Dynamic colours!! The lettering is too wide for my screen and falls off the end but that could just be 'cos I've got a crap terminal. So who wants to buy a mechanical exploding Robot! I'm trying desperately to think of places I could put it. There must be somewhere..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 16 14:58:11 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:58:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control In-Reply-To: <970616142820_1109619520@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Chris Stier wrote: > Subject: HW: Mission Control > A very good looking site, BTW. Unless you're using a text-only browser, in which case, navigating it is like pulling teeth. I liked the bio of Dave; I never realised he played with so many blues legends. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Son of Walter_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 16 15:22:56 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:22:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >In article <19970616.105442.12134.1.IanFines at juno.com>, Ian R Fines > writes >>>I loved it at first (CotBS), in a sort of mean-BOC way...then became >>>incredibly tired of it and thought it was the poppiest, most-contrived >>>Hawktune ever written...now I just sing along and usually enjoy >>>it...vote >>>for "catchiest" Hawktune evert written... >>I vote for "Kerb Crawler". > >What about Quark, Strangness and Charm? It's kinda catchy, but I keep drifting to the Business Trip version about halfway through the first verse when I try to hum it... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 16 15:22:56 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:22:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: >Sonique writes: > >> A certain fire-breather wants some commenstr on this: >> >> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > > >Wow! Dynamic colours!! The lettering is too wide for my screen >and falls off the end but that could just be 'cos I've got a crap terminal. > >So who wants to buy a mechanical exploding Robot! I'm trying >desperately to think of places I could put it. There must be >somewhere..... You could donate it to R.O.D.S. They have been without a robot ever since the sonic attack robot was dumped in the water accidentally. If it can explode on queue, then they would happily place it next to DS.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 16 15:27:47 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:27:47 +0200 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: >>> The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. The >>> guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown at a HW >>> convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? >> >>There was a HawkOn convention in 1985 but I don't know if any videos >>were shown then. It's the only time there has been one I think >>although perhaps someone knows of other occasions? > >Yup, 1985 sounds about right... anyone on the list there? Remember any >videos being shown? > >Bernhard mentioned the Uxbridge '78 show being filmed, so I reckon it's >gotta be this show. I have videos by other bands where they're filmed in the >UK, but for foreign TV, so this is possibly the Italian TV show. Who knows, >it might turn up one day... stranger things have happened! > >Dave 1973.09.15 Swedish television filmed a Peace and Love festival in Scandinavium, Gothenburg, where the Hawks was one of 6-8 bands playing all night. It was broadcasted almost a year later - 1974.07.26 - in our second uncommercial channel TV2, local time 21:35. The Hawkwind shot was well cut down - only a 2 mins passage of the second verse of Master of the Universe was there - but "it was HEAVY" claims hawkfriend K.S?ren Bengtsson of darXtar, who is remembering Seeing It As It Really Were in his parents telly. I got paper clips that's confirming this, but they're written in Swedish language. Unfortunally the Royal Swedish Television have erased all tapes from this event to save Space on their shelves. Pity. and no, the VCR's was not too common in the year of 1974, there's no copies on the loose... ObCass: Born To Go _This is [Heavy] Space Rock_ / thanx Marc! best - \\joe -------------- Smith & Wesson - the original point and click interface From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Jun 16 17:32:27 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:32:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: > > > Wow! Dynamic colours!! The lettering is too wide for my screen > and falls off the end but that could just be 'cos I've got a crap terminal. well, sort of. i have a 15 inch monitor and it does the same for me, both ntscp and msie. kris and dave have a 17" monitor, and are probably ruunning at high res. rj > So who wants to buy a mechanical exploding Robot! I'm trying > desperately to think of places I could put it. There must be > somewhere..... > > jill > From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 16 18:20:57 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:20:57 -0600 Subject: Summerdaze, new venue!! In-Reply-To: <970614130005_522427011@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Just got off the phone with the radio station in Farmington (NM), and the Summerdaze show slated for 7-01 has been moved outdoors, to the San Juan Co. Fairgrounds. So, this must mean that ticket sales are going well!! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jun 16 18:23:29 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:23:29 -0600 Subject: BOC trivia. In-Reply-To: <970614130005_522427011@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The Summerdaze show for NYC for 6-10 was cancelled. This made me think, when was the last time BOC played WITHIN the NYC limits? Actually, I don't know myself, so perhaps somebody can tell us. Would be interesting!! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jun 16 22:29:08 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:29:08 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo Message-ID: tBS had a cool trip to NXNE and Buffalo this weekend. Both shows had a modest turnout although the Buffalo club was smaller so it seemed like more. Another thing common to each show was the lack of publicity. El Mocombo is a club in Chinatown in Toronto with not so many clubs close by. We played upstairs so people couldn't see us from the street. The upstairs isn't used that often anymore so there was some interest in this famous stage. Many people there stayed for the whole night throughout the sets by bands with diverse musical styles. I missed the first band but the second was a kind of punky-heavy-grungy trio. They rocked hard with plenty of screaming coming from the male lead singer. Buck Dharma fans probably wouldn't have dug it because there was nary a lead guitar solo in their whole set. Next up was us and we played a pretty good set at about 80% aerobic threshold. A last minute change substituted Red and Black for the opening tune in honor of the Canadian Mounties. The shortest D & S in history ended the set because we went five minutes over (although nobody minded) but the next act was grateful that we cut it when we did. They were a pleasant but overwrought outfit with a distinct Smiths heritage. They had a female drummer who rocked even though she had to borrow my drum key! (green, green, green):-) There was another group who were sort of metallic after that but we were loading out and most of the people left during their set. We got a chance to hang with some Canadian fans after our show although we saw people singing along and people with BOC t-shirts that seemed to disappear after, whose identities remain a mystery. I've become obsessed with getting people on our mail list.:-) Was that you Eric Siegerman? The Star Bar in Buffalo was a street level venue with a big picture window in front and many happening clubs nearby. We were the only band and we started at midnight. People would start to walk by and come in to see who was the BOC cover band. Boy, were they surprised! By the time we finished our last set at quarter to three the was club was nearly full. One of our fans, NSS, who is also a fellow musician, sat in on Astronomy. Most of the songs were on the 100% funky setting. Most of the band hung with the fans for another couple hours soaking in the positive vibes. We all paid the next day.;-) Al From corwin at ROPNET.RU Tue Jun 17 00:40:45 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:40:45 +0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > On 12 Jun 03:36, Jeffrey Hoyt wrote: > > I'm almost 15 > > and I don't know any othere teens who like Hawkwind alot. I never used > > to like Hawkwind until I read the Elric series. After I told my dad I > > liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a > > listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is > > one of my favorite bands. > > I gave Live Chronicles to my nieces last Christmas but one. They were > a bit dubious at first, but the middle one soon got really into it. > She was 14 then. LC seems to be a good album to give to people as > their first Hawkwind. > > Dave. > The first HW album I bought and heard was Live Chronicles. And I was so impressed by their music that I decided to buy other their albums. LC is still one of my favourite HW albums. Corwin From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jun 17 04:59:54 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:59:54 +1000 Subject: Bash CN no more, dogs! Message-ID: At 01:08 PM 16/06/97 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: >This month's Guitar World gives CN [reissue] 4 gtrs out of five. I >can't remember any album ever getting 5... > 'Bout time. >Herewith the review: > >Club Ninja wasn't a big hit back in 1985, but fleet-fingered Buck >Dharma still cooks all over this reissue, turning up the juice on >'Dancin' in the Ruins,' 'Shadow Warrior,' and the extended >barnburner, 'Perfect Water.' Among the first generation of heavy >metal guitarists, Buck was Godzilla, indeed. > Hear! Hear! Most excellent. I Like CN. : ) This is the twentieth time I have written this. Mock ye not CN. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jun 17 07:59:57 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:59:57 +1000 Subject: OFF: Born to Go Tape Message-ID: This *IS* Space Rock! Great stuff .... Thanks Marc!! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 17 08:09:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:09:04 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo Message-ID: I believe Deb (on AOL) mentioned that she saw some BOC-L t-shirts in the crowd -- so, who from here went, and let's have a review of the show(s)! er, please? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 17 08:10:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:10:10 -0400 Subject: Bash CN no more, dogs! Message-ID: O.K., here we go again ;-) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 13:31:08 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:31:08 BST Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: corwin's message of Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:40:45 +0400 Message-ID: corwin writes: > The first HW album I bought and heard was Live Chronicles. And I was so > impressed by their music that I decided to buy other their albums. LC is > still one of my favourite HW albums. Interesting - there does seem to be some kind of consensus emerging from all these posts {worrying!}. It would appear that people's favourite Hawkwind album tends to be the one that first got them interested in the band - not necessarily the first one they listened to but the one that first got them involved in the Hawkwind sound. Everything after that tends to get rated in relation to that one. Then again, this may just be part of the normal human condition. Perhaps it applies to all bands - not just Hawkwind! Yrs philosofically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 08:44:03 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:44:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) Message-ID: Andy said: >So who's going to open the bidding for Ron's robot then? > >(Don't look at me, I haven't got anywhere to put it! :) I'll bid for it if someone gives me the money! I wouldn't mind the mixing desk either but probably the bests mixng desk to get is the ones they used in earily 70s. They produced some of the best hawkwind mixes (IHMO). I can't play an isntrument but I could get my borther to play drums. He has a friend who can play bass and keyboaords and effects stuff via bass etc so they could provide the music and I could sit their mixing it all in!!! I did a moudal in mixing an sqencing out of interesting at universty and it was great fun. My borther and his friend actualy did a tape of spacy/ragga type sutff jamming in the room once. Only problem the tape lasted 45mintues and one of the jams went over but they enjoyed it. His friend then added some effects using a 4 track. Any one else here done a spacy jam to tape? When hawkwind saif for sale I thouhgt oh may be it's palce to sale your second hand hawkwind records then dismissed the idea as totaly stupid and thought it will be a list of current albums out and that's it. I certinaly didn't expect hawkwind to be selling gare via it but a good idea, I sure a few fans will bid for it. Tim Langner. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 11:06:51 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:06:51 +0100 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: <199706161310.JAA19588@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > >> The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in 1978. The > >> guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown at a HW > >> convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? > > > >There was a HawkOn convention in 1985 but I don't know if any videos > >were shown then. It's the only time there has been one I think > >although perhaps someone knows of other occasions? > > Yup, 1985 sounds about right... anyone on the list there? Remember any > videos being shown? The videos I remember seeing are the brief SM bit (which I think was put on the end of the Hawkon video that was sold by Trev Hughes), the mimed bit from the Bolan show, with no dave and bob playing guitar with thick leather gloves (which might be thought of as hawklords, due to Bob's presence, even tho' they did QS&C) and a long vido of the stage show of the kid from silicon gulch. There may have been others, but that's all I can remember. Mike w From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jun 16 23:16:20 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:16:20 +0800 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: sultan of swing (The) wrote: > > > > > >> The second is an Italian TV concert, featuring the Hawklords in > 1978. The > > >> guy who got me hooked on HW claimed some of this had been shown > at a HW > > >> convention some years back. Can anyone confirm this? > The videos I remember seeing are the brief SM bit (which I think was > put > on the end of the Hawkon video that was sold by Trev Hughes), the > mimed > bit from the Bolan show, with no dave and bob playing guitar with > thick > leather gloves (which might be thought of as hawklords, due to Bob's > presence, even tho' they did QS&C) and a long vido of the stage show > of > the kid from silicon gulch. There may have been others, but that's all > I > can remember. > The Bolan clip, as far as I am aware, was not mimed, since HW have long said they would never appear on a music show miming, since the days they were asked to appear on Top of the Pops to do Silver Machine, thus Top of the Pops used the aforementioned clip instead. William From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 16:32:13 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:32:13 BST Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: The's message of Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: Mike w scribed: > The videos I remember seeing are ... > .....a long vido of the stage show of > the kid from silicon gulch. Really?! Now if this one exists somewhere I really *would* like to get hold of it. I wonder if Trev still has a copy - I wonder if anyone else does. I wonder if there *are* any other copies. I would dearly like to see this since I've only ever heard the audio tape of it. If *anyone* knows of a contact I'd be glad to hear about it! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 16:36:09 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:36:09 BST Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:16:20 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > on the end of the Hawkon video that was sold by Trev Hughes), the > > mimed > > bit from the Bolan show, with no dave and bob playing guitar with > > thick > > leather gloves (which might be thought of as hawklords, due to Bob's > > presence, even tho' they did QS&C) and a long vido of the stage show > > of > > the kid from silicon gulch. There may have been others, but that's all > > I > > can remember. > > > The Bolan clip, as far as I am aware, was not mimed, since HW have long > said they would never appear on a music show miming, since the days they > were asked to appear on Top of the Pops to do Silver Machine, thus Top > of the Pops used the aforementioned clip instead. > > William ah now - as I understand it Dave was ummmmm "unavoidably delayed" somewhere else because the show *was* mimed and he wouldn't do it to mime. So Calvert stood in with a parrot on his shoulder (to represent Mr Brock - I think?) and wore a motorcycle glove to "play" the guitar with. I hope that's right! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Jun 17 11:54:35 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:54:35 +1000 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Mike w scribed: > > > The videos I remember seeing are ... > > .....a long vido of the stage show of > > the kid from silicon gulch. > > Really?! Now if this one exists somewhere I really *would* like to > get hold of it. I wonder if Trev still has a copy - I wonder if anyone > else does. I wonder if there *are* any other copies. I would dearly > like to see this since I've only ever heard the audio tape of it. If > *anyone* knows of a contact I'd be glad to hear about it! YES YES YES! I wouldn't mind getting my grubby paws on this one, too. Fat chance, though, I guess. Anyone? - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Jun 17 12:05:11 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:05:11 +1000 Subject: HW: Great God Calvert... Message-ID: Greetings all, With my final purchase today of the last album I needed to complete my Calvert Collection, I have discovered that I have the insatiable desire to have MORE!!!! So I have two things to ask... To this end, does anyone have some good quality (or even not good quality) Calvert concert tapes? I'm first looking for his solo concerts, then second priority is the Hawkwind Calvert concerts. I've only got two Calvert concerts on tape - one at the Carlisle Stars'n'Stripes (which is on the same tour as Queen Elisabeth Hall), and another one that I think is a bit later, since it's with his Starfighters band (the quality of this isn't great, but it does have a great song: Silver Machine Blues). I'd be very interested in trading something for some live Calvert, (and also Cricket Star, as well, which I don't have). Secondly, does anyone have any video footage of Calvert live anywhere? I don't mind if it's with HW or solo. Don't have any videos of worth, though, so I guess I could pay for any of these. So that's it. I'd be very appreciative of anybody that could help a sad old Calvert fan out... - Max Wilcox PS. Oh yes, if anyone has a spare copy of the Hype novel lying around that they don't want, I'd gladly take it off their hands... No I didn't think so. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 17 17:06:34 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:06:34 BST Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:16:20 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > The Bolan clip, as far as I am aware, was not mimed, since HW have long > said they would never appear on a music show miming, since the days they > were asked to appear on Top of the Pops to do Silver Machine, thus Top > of the Pops used the aforementioned clip instead. They were certainly miming on the Bolan show. The single was played and the band mimed, taking the piss, along. Brock may have refused to appear because of this, hence Calvert's "Brock" parrot. > William FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 17 00:07:39 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:07:39 +0800 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: > > >I'm also very curious about Gong's "Flying Teapots" CD-is it > >obtainable? > >I have a really dumb set of reasons for wanting this: 1: I'm curious. > >2: > >I collect Teapots. of any shape or material. CD works too:) > Yes..it is obtainable. But if you want to go the whole nine yards, > get > the "Radio Gnome Invisible Trilogy" Box set. It contains _Angel's > Egg_ > (magnificent), _Flying Teapot_ (magnificent), and _You_ (once again, > magnificent). Plus, it has a book along with it. I've seen it for > about > 50 dollars American. Does anyone have more info on the book??? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 17 00:19:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:19:47 +0800 Subject: HW: Palace Springs, etc. Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > And I still dislike the tutu dancer on Live Legends :) I always skip that part. The music's great, but I just cannot watch it! William From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 17 12:30:19 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:30:19 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation Message-ID: Nah! First Hawkwind album listened to was Hall of the Mountain Grill, which yes, I thought was fantastic. I then got hold hold of Doremi, Warrior on the edge and that kind of stuff, all superb. Then I heard not much HW for a long time until I heard shot down in the night in the local longhair club. Bloody hell, I hated it. Hawkwind was dead, sold out. I stopped listening to the Hawks after that until whilst in a somewhat err 'euphoric' state at a friend's house I heard this amazing album & I was totally blown away. I couldn't believe it was Hawkwind and yes, you have guessed it, this became and still is my favorite HW album, the much Hated & maligned Levitation. from this point on I got back into Hawkwind in a big way but this is still my favorite. Second place changes between Codex, HoTMG and others. The real problem is that there are a number of Hawkwinds, some of which we love & some which we hate some but not many of us like them all. The Hawkwinds of preference for me are the ones where Lemmy, Huw or Calvert are present. M ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 17 June 1997 14:31 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: obObservation corwin writes: > The first HW album I bought and heard was Live Chronicles. And I was so > impressed by their music that I decided to buy other their albums. LC is > still one of my favourite HW albums. Interesting - there does seem to be some kind of consensus emerging from all these posts {worrying!}. It would appear that people's favourite Hawkwind album tends to be the one that first got them interested in the band - not necessarily the first one they listened to but the one that first got them involved in the Hawkwind sound. Everything after that tends to get rated in relation to that one. Then again, this may just be part of the normal human condition. Perhaps it applies to all bands - not just Hawkwind! Yrs philosofically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 17 00:30:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:30:40 +0800 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > And I think the original WotEoT A&B/GV was not crushingly heavy > > enough, for all that it had Lemmy playing on it :) > I know the originals may not be heavy, but these two versions are what hooked me in the first place. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 17 00:39:58 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:39:58 +0800 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > Space Ritual (though I've finally grown a bit tired of it after 500 > plays), > Doremi, Warrior, Church (I love the early '80s stuff...lush, > electronic, > experimental, successfull--Mists of Meridin is to me the pinnacle of > ambient music, "Void City" is another favorite, and I find alot of > inspiring stuff on Sonic Attack, too), PXR5. > Mists of Meridin is a great piece, but doesn't actually belong on Church of Hawkwind since it is far more recent, being the Brock, Davey, Chadwick 3 piece. William From manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 17 11:15:57 1997 From: manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK (Buckley) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:15:57 +0100 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: <9706161319.aa03512@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9706161319.aa03512 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >gingoblin at easynet.co.uk writes: > >There was a HawkOn convention in 1985 but I don't know if any videos >were shown then. It's the only time there has been one I think >although perhaps someone knows of other occasions? > >jill >hi i was at the hawkon held in manchester way back in 85,held in the basement of the picadilly hotel ,film footage was shown most of the day including the 78 italy gig ,a whole 60 mins of the radio actors show (80 i think) several shorts on 8mm for 74-76 and calvert in london 80 one of the highlights was nik auctioning off so of his early tour shirts '73 with status quo as support '74 with rush as support if i rememmber correctly they went for 4-5 each very strange to see the band play without dave though. simon >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Buckley House - manubrium at manubrium.demon.co.uk Lancashire folk - living in Yorkshire. One day we'll paint all the roses on the bridges in York red :o) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 17 00:55:11 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:55:11 +0800 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > William Duffy writes: > > > The Bolan clip, as far as I am aware, was not mimed, since HW have > long > > said they would never appear on a music show miming, since the days > they > > were asked to appear on Top of the Pops to do Silver Machine, thus > Top > > of the Pops used the aforementioned clip instead. > > They were certainly miming on the Bolan show. The single was played > and > the band mimed, taking the piss, along. Brock may have refused to > appear > because of this, hence Calvert's "Brock" parrot. > I think your probably right there. It was probably a case of the band being asked to mime, Brock refusing, and the others appearing without him so as not to miss out on the extra publicity of appearing. I don't think the vocals are mimed though, since I seem to remember it sounding different to the original, although the actual instruments are probably not being played. William From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Jun 17 13:28:00 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Great God Calvert... Message-ID: Max, don't have tons of interest in the Calvert obscurity area, but I'll happily tape my copy of Cricket Star for you . I have a bunch of HW live tapes (oh I've got one with Calvert reappearing - 82 Rainbow I think, great SteppenWolf) if you want to do any additional HW type trades Cheers, Stephen Lindsey From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 17 13:51:35 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:51:35 -0400 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: Mr. Duffy sputtered these here electrons across my toob... Jon Jarrett wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > And I think the original WotEoT A&B/GV was not crushingly heavy > > enough, for all that it had Lemmy playing on it :) > I know the originals may not be heavy, but these two versions are what hooked me in the first place. William Roger that! My first purchase was a $0.49 cutout of HotMG from Woolworth's (back in my student days...) but just wasn't taken with it. Now, when that classic 'Tron/bass/synth intro into A&B was heard by me for the first time, it was all over. Been hooked since then... (and my appreciation for HotMG has grown dramatically since then, too!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jun 17 14:23:16 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:23:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Mission Control Message-ID: At 14:33 16.06.97 -0400, you wrote: >Hmmm.... The Alien 4 robot is up for sale. That would be the ultimate >for Bernhard's kollection ;-) OK, how much do I have to pay ? ;-))))))) Bernhard From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 17 16:22:38 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:22:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: I remember the digital-ness of Levitation being slightly newsworthy at the time. I had thought it was the first album recorded digitally. Maybe it was the first album to be entirely recorded thus? Alasdair At 07:11 AM 16-06-97 PDT, you wrote: >Troy sez.... > >(about digital recordings in the rock genre) >> Can anyone find the first?? >> >> Troy >> >I think I can answer this one! It was a totally forgettable girl-group >(ala Blondie) called 1999 and their release was "Please Stand By". Only >two or three tracks on the LP were done digitally, the rest were good >ol' analog. This came out in '78 or so. Yeah, I have a copy.... > >obCDPlayer: Ship Of Fools / Close You Eyes (Forget The World) >-- > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 >-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 > alasdair.macdonald at virgin.net From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 17 18:47:27 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:47:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Catch Tunes (was Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <+enypCA7eVpzEwr3@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > >What about Quark, Strangness and Charm? > I'll go along with that - I can still remember it, tho' I haven't actually heard it in about 15 years! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 17 19:00:38 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:00:38 +0100 Subject: How Times Have Changed In-Reply-To: <33A60D8B.2D3867F4@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: At 12:07 17/06/97 +0800, William duffy wrote: >Ian R Fines wrote: >> >>>I'm also very curious about Gong's "Flying Teapots" CD-is it obtainable? >>>I have a really dumb set of reasons for wanting this: 1: I'm curious. >>>2: I collect Teapots. of any shape or material. CD works too:) >>Yes..it is obtainable. But if you want to go the whole nine yards, get >>the "Radio Gnome Invisible Trilogy" Box set. It contains _Angel's Egg_ >>(magnificent), _Flying Teapot_ (magnificent), and _You_ (once again, >>magnificent). In all of this Gong talk, why has nobody mentioned "Camembert Electrique" - unequalled madness, and only ten bob at the time. Ican't remember what happened to my copy. I can remember seeing them playing at Repton School (!) in their teapot & cheese heyday with Bloomdido & the Hillfish, and the expressions of bemusement bordering on fear on the faces of the supervising teachers (and not a little un-public-school-teacher-like lust at Shakti Yoni!). Sadly, I missed the even more unlikely gig that said school's sixth form put on about a year later: The Edgar Broughton Band! TTFN, ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 17 19:25:46 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:25:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Favourites & First Hearings &c. In-Reply-To: <01BC7B25.935726E0@dynamic-1.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Craig S. Wrote: > >Roger that! My first purchase was a $0.49 cutout of HotMG from Woolworth's (back in >my student days...) but just wasn't taken with it. Now, when that classic 'Tron/bass/synth >intro into A&B was heard by me for the first time, it was all over. Been hooked since then... >(and my appreciation for HotMG has grown dramatically since then, too!) > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyramid.com > I found this list through my interest in the BOC side, and it was a happy coincidence for me to find the HW stuff as well, since my interest in the Hawks had been reawakened while I was over in Belgium by finding the 3-CD Castle anthology. Although I wasn't originally too knocked out by DoReMi when it came out, SR blew my socks off, and I can remember an afternoonwhen I managed to read just about all of MM's "Blood Red Game" in a single SR listening session. Strangely, I never actually bought it until about 7 or 8 years ago when I found it 2nd hand in Nottingham - I'd sort of given up on them round QS&C & ASAM, they seemed to be going soggy. So my favourites are all of the oldies, plus "Live Chronicles" which I bought after the aforementioned anthology. Now I'm a fan again, and very interested in all of the conflicting opinions about the stuff I've never heard. That's my two-bobs-woirth. ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Jun 17 19:45:32 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:45:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: I'm pleased to say "That's my boy!" in reference to Jeff's posting. I'm pleased also to see him finally post to the list. He is slowly becoming ,ore knowledgable about the Hawks then I am. (which isn't all that much compared to some on the list) Next step, his first live show, as soon as they arrive ibn Cleveland. Back to lurk mode for now. Good evening, Duane From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Jun 17 19:50:35 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:50:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: Born to Go Tape Message-ID: I just recieved my tape today. Highly recommend this band. Thanks to all who made it possible to recieve this free of charge. Duane From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 17 20:38:12 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:38:12 -0400 Subject: HW: obObservation Message-ID: > The real problem is that there are a number of Hawkwinds, some of which we > love & some which we hate some but not many of us like them all. ------------ cool. i am glad to be a part of a 'select few.' ;) rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 18 01:54:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:54:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Born to Go Tape Message-ID: >I just recieved my tape today. Highly recommend this band. >Thanks to all who made it possible to recieve this free of >charge. Same here.... it's cool stuff. Great tape insert, too.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jun 18 03:59:10 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:59:10 +1000 Subject: HW: Great God Calvert... Message-ID: At 02:05 AM 18/06/97 +1000, Max Wilcox wrote: >Greetings all, > > With my final purchase today of the last album I needed to complete my >Calvert Collection, I have discovered that I have the insatiable desire >to have MORE!!!! So I have two things to ask... > To this end, does anyone have some good quality (or even not good >quality) Calvert concert tapes? I'm first looking for his solo concerts, >then second priority is the Hawkwind Calvert concerts. I've only got two >Calvert concerts on tape - one at the Carlisle Stars'n'Stripes (which is >on the same tour as Queen Elisabeth Hall), and another one that I think >is a bit later, since it's with his Starfighters band (the quality of >this isn't great, but it does have a great song: Silver Machine Blues). > I'd be very interested in trading something for some live Calvert, (and >also Cricket Star, as well, which I don't have). > Secondly, does anyone have any video footage of Calvert live anywhere? >I don't mind if it's with HW or solo. Don't have any videos of worth, >though, so I guess I could pay for any of these. > So that's it. I'd be very appreciative of anybody that could help a sad >old Calvert fan out... > >- Max Wilcox > >PS. Oh yes, if anyone has a spare copy of the Hype novel lying >around that they don't want, I'd gladly take it off their hands... >No I didn't think so. > Dear Max baby, I have a video with Rob Calvert performing with ICU. The quality is shit, but it is good enough for a fan. I watch it a lot. : ) If you ain't got it, I can make you a copy and send it along. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 17 10:04:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:04:08 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706171331.ab12737@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706171331.ab12737 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Interesting - there does seem to be some kind of consensus emerging from >all these posts {worrying!}. It would appear that people's favourite >Hawkwind album tends to be the one that first got them interested in the >band - not necessarily the first one they listened to but the one that >first got them involved in the Hawkwind sound. Everything after that >tends to get rated in relation to that one. That's a good point and was certainly true for the first 13 or so years for me. Warrior was _the_ album, all others were either preambles or reiterations. I think it wasn't until Electric Tepee, that I started *preferring* a contemparary Hawkwind rather _merely_ enjoying one. These days I lean much more heavily on the last 3 or 4 years or so. And I've finally realised what an excellant album IITBOTFTBD is! (Now that one took longer than most, I grant you.) -- Jon Browne ObCD's : Actually there's about 5 this week, anyone interested? :) From corwin at ROPNET.RU Wed Jun 18 06:23:20 1997 From: corwin at ROPNET.RU (corwin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:23:20 +0400 Subject: HW: Amorphis EP Message-ID: Hi! I've just got Amorphis EP "My Kantele". Here is the cover version of Levitation. Amorphis made it very good but they nothing changed. It's just little bit faster and heavier. I like original more. Corwin From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jun 18 07:57:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:57:26 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: OFF as usual... Has anyone heard the Welsh band Acrimony? I haven't, but I've seen their sound described as a Hawkwind/Sabs/Kyuss mixture and that makes me _very_ interested. Though their somewhat silly (IMHO: immature) Celtic&Cannabis image prevents me from order their latest CD "Tumali Shoomaroom" (or something like that) without hesitation. So if any of you can tell me more about them I would be very happy. Carl maybe? h?lsa med halsen -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 17 09:54:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:54:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706171244.NAA26296@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706171244.NAA26296 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >Any one else here done a spacy >jam to tape? Um, one or two. Did 'em in front of a paying audience once or twice. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 18 13:33:27 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:33:27 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: On ons 18 jun 1997 13.57 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Has anyone heard the Welsh band Acrimony? > I haven't, but I've seen their sound described as a > Hawkwind/Sabs/Kyuss mixture and that makes me _very_ interested. > Though their somewhat silly (IMHO: immature) Celtic&Cannabis image > prevents me from order their latest CD "Tumali Shoomaroom" (or something > like that) without hesitation. > So if any of you can tell me more about them I would be very happy. > Carl maybe? Yes, indeed--I just recently picked up _Tumuli Shroomaroom_ and am glad I did so. It didn't immediately blow me away, but a few repeated listenings and I really began to like it. I'm going to try ordering their first album as well. If you ahve to pick one, get _Tumuli_ since it is about 20 minutes longer :) They do revel in the "Welsh druids on acid" image, but the album is pretty good. It seemed to be selling well in London and Kerrang raved about it (though that's not necessarily a good guide anymore ;) Cheers, Carl From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 18 08:53:26 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:53:26 -0500 Subject: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!? Message-ID: I must not have been paying attention recently, but I seem to be getting the idea that there is a new page created by Dave and Kris. Could somebody please post the address where I find it? Thanks! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jun 18 10:00:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:00:22 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: Carl: > Yes, indeed--I just recently picked up _Tumuli Shroomaroom_ and am glad >I did so. It didn't immediately blow me away, but a few repeated >listenings and I really began to like it. I'm going to try ordering their >first album as well. If you ahve to pick one, get _Tumuli_ since it is >about 20 minutes longer :) > > They do revel in the "Welsh druids on acid" image, but the album is >pretty good. It seemed to be selling well in London and Kerrang raved >about it (though that's not necessarily a good guide anymore ;) > Thanks... I'll think I'll order Tumuli. But I have to wait a few weeks 'cos I don't have any money right now (Carl, you always say you know the situation but to me it seems like you're buying CDs every day :-) and next week I'm going to Holland (Hi Jerry!). Why do you think Kerrang isn't a good guide? Are they writing about the wrong type of music... or has the magazine itself changed in a bad way? Has it ever been a good guide? I think they always tend to praise every new British release... "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 18 04:23:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:23:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Great God Calvert... In-Reply-To: <199706180759.RAA17170@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199706180759.RAA17170 at shell-01.webconcept.com.au>, Troy Harris writes > > I have a video with Rob Calvert performing with ICU. When from? it's not Dingwall's, Camden circa '85 was it? Bob in deerstalker and smoking a pipe? I remember the gig being filmed but never saw the vid anywhere? Outragous gig, maaaan! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 18 17:43:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:43:39 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: On ons 18 jun 1997 16.00 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > But I have to wait a few weeks 'cos I don't have any money right now > (Carl, you always say you know the situation but to me it seems like > you're buying CDs every day :-) and next week I'm going to Holland (Hi > Jerry!). Actually, I borrow a lot more CDs than I buy :) But if I didn't buy CDs I wouldn't be as broke. Actually, I haven't been nearly as broke this year as I was last summer when I spent a month or so with 10 pounds :) > Why do you think Kerrang isn't a good guide? Well, these days they've really drifted away from metal and heavy rock which is what they were originally about. They don't cover the good underground stuff as well as they used to I think (though occasionally they surprise me by raving about Acrimony or Electric Wizard). Cheers, Carl From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 18 19:19:02 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:19:02 BST Subject: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!? In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > I must not have been paying attention recently, but I seem to be getting the > idea that there is a new page created by Dave and Kris. Could somebody > please post the address where I find it? try http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwin/ jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Jun 18 14:57:37 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:57:37 -0400 Subject: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!? Message-ID: Can everyone else get to this ? I keep on getting The requested URL /~hwin/ was not found on this server ????? Cheers, Steve L. > > John Majka writes: > > > I must not have been paying attention recently, but I seem to be getting the > > idea that there is a new page created by Dave and Kris. Could somebody > > please post the address where I find it? > > > try http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwin/ > > > From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Jun 18 15:11:15 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:11:15 -0500 Subject: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!? In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey "Re: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!?" (Jun 18, 2:57pm) Message-ID: > The requested URL /~hwin/ was not found on this server > > try http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwin/ That should be http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ ^ Note the 'd' at the end -----------------------------| Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Q: Were you aquainted with the deceased? A: Yes, sir. Q: Before or after he died? -- Disorder in the Court: a Collection of 'Transquips' by Richard Lederer From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Jun 18 16:08:09 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:08:09 -0400 Subject: HW: New WWW Page? Where?!? Message-ID: > > > The requested URL /~hwin/ was not found on this server > > > try http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwin/ > > That should be http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > ^ > Note the 'd' at the end -----------------------------| > > Frank Thanks, Frank. That was it. From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 18 16:10:46 1997 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:10:46 -0400 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: Simon wrote: > i was at the hawkon held in manchester way back in 85,held in the >basement of the picadilly hotel ,film footage was shown most of the day >including the 78 italy gig ,a whole 60 mins of the radio actors show (80 >i think) several shorts on 8mm for 74-76 and calvert in london 80 If anyone out there ever gets any of these, get in touch! I will pay handsomely! Dave From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 17 21:14:17 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:14:17 -0400 Subject: How Times Have Changed Message-ID: >In all of this Gong talk, why has nobody mentioned "Camembert >Electrique" - >unequalled madness, and only ten bob at the time. Ican't remember >what >happened to my copy. No one asked me too! But I do like Camembert a whole lot....it might even be my favorite Gong album. Nothing like Daevid singing a capella on "I've Bin Stone'd Before", and the craziness of songs like "Tropical Fish" and the great "YOu Can't Kill Me", which they played a magnificent version of on their US tour this past fall. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jun 17 21:20:07 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:20:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Born to Go Tape Message-ID: Recieved the Born To Go tape today....very well done. The Calvert influence really stands out. This IS heavy spacerock. ObCD: Flying Saucer Attack, Rural Psychedelia (All I can say is one thing: I need to get more FSA!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com NeW Radical Homepage: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jun 18 16:54:46 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:54:46 -0400 Subject: HW: stuff Message-ID: Picked up ASAM (griffin) recently, love the CD liner. was this straight from the original vinyl version? Does anyone have the lyrics for MM&DF's "Dodgem Dude"? In speaking with my friend Phil Tortorici, who recently got the latest Hawkwind Feedback, he said that HW would be at the Strange Daze '97 August 30-31 weekend, but the advert included with the Born to Go tape lists it as Labor Day weekend. I assume only one of these can be correct.... anyone know for certain which? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 00:00:03 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:00:03 BST Subject: HW: ooops New WWW Page? In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:11:15 -0500 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > > That should be http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > ^ > Note the 'd' at the end -----------------------------| sorry! finger failure 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jun 18 19:37:29 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:37:29 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo Message-ID: Jerry Van Kooten forwarded this to me: NSS wrote: >Hi folx, > > So I'm out with Gooch and we are walking to a club to see a band. >As we >walk by another club called the Star Bar, I hear a band playing "Cities On >Flame With Rock And Roll" by Blue Oyster Cult. I step in and ask the door >man who's playing. He said "Oh it's a band from NYC called The Brain >Surgeons." Which is non other than Albert Bouchard's (Blue Oyster Cult's >original drummer) solo project with his wife rock critic Deborah Frost. I >was livid. I paid the $2 (I repeat $2) cover and went inside (actually >Gooch paid for me, I was too busy flipping out.) The did a lot of Brain >Surgeon material with a couple of BOC covers. There was 70 people in the >bar, I swear to God that there was less than 10 of us there who knew what >was going on. When the band kicked into "Dominance and Submission" at the >end of the first set. I started to flip out and band was laughing their >heads of watching me go nuts. > Well, I bought a copy of the new album and had the band autograph it. >Albert autographed my cd, "To NSS, Burn The House -Albert Bouchard" What a >sick dude! Well, we shot the shit for about a half hour if not more about >BOC and rock and roll, he was such a sweet heart. > Now hear's the kicker. They played "Astronomy" near the end of >the second >set. I went nuts! Half way through the song, Deborah invited me on stage >to sing with time. I lost me cookies, I asked her if I could play her >guitar, she said "sure". > >AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH > >H!!!!! > >Enough said! I'm not familial with The Brain Surgeon's material but her is >a listing of the BOC tunes that did. > >Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll >Dominance And Submission <- Sick!!!! >The Red And Black >Astronomy <- Ahhhhhhhh!!! >The Valley Nights <- El super mondo rare Boc tune for Spectres >Career Of Evil <- Flipped And, in a private message, NSS wrote: > Jerry, > Now hear's the special part. I was sick to my stomach for not knowing > anything about the show. I didn't have my Mirror's or your Cultasaurus > Eretus cd anywhere near me. So I bought you a copy of the new Brain > Surgeons "Box Of Hammers". I told the guys who you were and Albert signed > it "To Jerry Van Kooten-Greetings To Netherlanders-Albert Bouchard" > Another guy in the band signed it "Have a safe flight" (to the cd) So I am > so pumped to be able to get you this. So there you are, another perspective on the Star Bar. Al From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 18 21:11:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:11:01 -0400 Subject: stuff Message-ID: Picked up ASAM (griffin) recently, love the CD liner. was this straight from the original vinyl version? Does anyone have the lyrics for MM&DF's "Dodgem Dude"? In speaking with my friend Phil Tortorici, who recently got the latest Hawkwind Feedback, he said that HW would be at the Strange Daze '97 August 30-31 weekend, but the advert included with the Born to Go tape lists it as Labor Day weekend. I assume only one of these can be correct.... anyone know for certain which? nope. they are the same. rj From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Jun 18 21:49:54 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:49:54 -0700 Subject: BOC in Bakersfield, CA Message-ID: The Oyster Boys' gig in Bakersfield is Sunday, 29 June, at the Rockin' Rodeo in Bakersfield (3745 Rosedale Hwy--2 blocks west of (I think) I-99). Doors open at 6 pm, band goes on at 8 pm. Tickets are $10 (call Valley Tix, 805-322-5200 to charge them). Club staff don't know if tickets will be available at the door--they said a "really lot of people have been calling about the concert"--might be a sold-out show in the offing!! :) Anyway, the club's phone is 805-323-6617. -- Mike From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jun 19 00:14:08 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:14:08 -0400 Subject: stuff Message-ID: >In speaking with my friend Phil Tortorici, who recently got >the latest Hawkwind Feedback, he said that HW would be at >the Strange Daze '97 August 30-31 weekend, but >the advert included with the Born to Go tape lists it as >Labor Day weekend. I assume only one of these can be >correct.... anyone know for certain which? > >nope. they are the same. Sheez, for some reason my mind was refusing to connect the two, thinking the weekend had to be in September. I got it figured out now. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 02:31:57 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:31:57 +1000 Subject: HW: Great God Calvert... Message-ID: At 09:23 AM 18/06/97 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >In article <199706180759.RAA17170 at shell-01.webconcept.com.au>, Troy >Harris writes >> >> I have a video with Rob Calvert performing with ICU. > >When from? it's not Dingwall's, Camden circa '85 was it? Bob in >deerstalker and smoking a pipe? I remember the gig being filmed but >never saw the vid anywhere? Outragous gig, maaaan! >-- Sounds like the one. Troy >Jon Browne > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 19 04:21:39 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:21:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: They don't cover the good > underground stuff as well as they used to I think (though occasionally they > surprise me by raving about Acrimony or Electric Wizard). > > Cheers, > Carl Now I'm curious again-Electric Wizard?? A band with that name has got to be at least interesting:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On tor 19 jun 1997 02.21 "Cliff and Pam Wheaton" wrote: > Now I'm curious again-Electric Wizard?? A band with that name has got to > be at least interesting:) They another part of the UK neo-doom scene (records by them and Acrimony both are sold by Rise Above Records, URL accessible from my web site, etc., etc.). EW are a 3-piece and their first album was very much a slow chunky Sabbathy affair. Nothing mind-bending by I really enjoyed their "Electric WIzard/Wooden Pipe" song which is archetypical "UK freak metal", slow and riffy with blatant Iommiesque guitar squeals. Their second album is rather different, and attracted lots of favor (again, surprisingly) from Kerrang. Here they've opted to tune the instruments down to a riduculous pitch and sludge along with a bit more Kyuss/Hawkwind influence added to the mix. I haven't seen them live (yet) but apparently they are a great live experience and I'm told you can practically see the bass strings wobbling like telegraph wires. You want a stereo with good bass response :) Much of the second album (I think there's a sample from it at Rise Above's WWW) _Come My Fanatics_ is long sludgefests punctuated with SpaceRitualy swooshy-beepy noises. A few reviews compare it to Space Ritual, actually--though I don't really see so many similarities (apart from both being heavy stoner music with Dr. Who sound effects scattered about). Good fun, though not as catcy as Acrimony's more lively sound. It is probably unbelieveably cool if you are stoned (which I gather the band is most of the time). I certainly wouldn't know anything about that, of course ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 06:35:04 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:35:04 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706171331.ab12737@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706171331.ab12737 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Interesting - there does seem to be some kind of consensus emerging from >all these posts {worrying!}. It would appear that people's favourite >Hawkwind album tends to be the one that first got them interested in the >band - not necessarily the first one they listened to but the one that >first got them involved in the Hawkwind sound. Everything after that >tends to get rated in relation to that one. Well, there is a lot of truth in this in my experience. The first Hawkwind I heard which I know stopped me in my tracks was Steppenwolf but nothing much happened because I didn`t know who Hawkwind were. A while later, someone was playing a tape and it was Levitation. I asked who the band was and it was that name Hawkwind again. I promptly went out and bought Leviation and to this day, I rate it as one of the most finely crafted rock albums of all time!!! Yes, it was the first I bought and I still think it is the best. I really cannot understand why some people don't like it. Mark From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jun 19 07:33:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:33:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Actually, I borrow a lot more CDs than I buy :) I never borrow my friends CDs 'cos they don't buy anything I like ...at least they don't do that before I have bought the CDs myself... :-( > But if I didn't buy >CDs I wouldn't be as broke. Actually, I haven't been nearly as broke this >year as I was last summer when I spent a month or so with 10 pounds :) Since May 20th my fortune has been _negative_ 550 pounds! ... and tomorrow I'm going to borrow another 10 pounds... > >> Why do you think Kerrang isn't a good guide? > > Well, these days they've really drifted away from metal and heavy rock >which is what they were originally about. That is what I was trying to say in broken English in my last mail. :-) > They don't cover the good >underground stuff as well as they used to I think (though occasionally they >surprise me by raving about Acrimony or Electric Wizard). I never buy Kerrang but I used to. I stopped doing that for a few years ago and then I hadn't liked the mag in a long time (...I kept on buying it 'cos it was an old habit...) I have never heard Electric Wizard... though I have seen at least one of their CDs for sale... I think they use the same cover artist as Cathedral... or am I mixing things up?!? mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 19 07:17:20 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:17:20 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation Message-ID: > I promptly went >out and bought Leviation and to this day, I rate it as one of the most >finely crafted rock albums of all time!!! Yes, it was the first I bought >and I still think it is the best. I really cannot understand why some >people don't like it. I really liked Levitation when it came out, partly because it finally gave me vinyl versions of much of the material played on the PXR5 tour, but also I think because it gave a rebuttal to all those snipers who slagged off Hawkwind for "not being able to play their instruments" - "look, we've got Ginger bloody Baker, he can play a bit, can't he? And check out the digital production! Not bad for a bunch of stoned-out hippies, eh?" But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't played it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) - Andy ObCD: Bruce Springsteen - _Darkness on the Edge of Town_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2453 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 19 07:54:50 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:54:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: > Since May 20th my fortune has been _negative_ 550 pounds! I started to worry when mine was minus 7,000 a couple of years ago :) Sorry about the poxy winmail on my last post, I had to reinstall some stuff and it bloody reset AGAIN. Actually, I just put on Levitation (LP) and it sounds a lot better than the Castle CD... hmm... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 06:50:41 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:50:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock Message-ID: I've always wondered this: how old is Dave Brock? In a way its nice not to know because it adds this aura of mystery to a guy who just seems to keep going and going but in the Hawkwind Anthology set, it says he was playing back in 1957 which could make Dave approaching 60! Anyone know? Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 19 08:07:41 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:07:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation Message-ID: I just noticed something on the Levitation sleeve I'd forgotten about, and that's the line "Artistes performing on the album". Bunch of jessies! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 06:48:12 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:48:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Social Alliance Message-ID: After listening to the Dave Brock single "Social Alliance" the other day, a question sprung to mind: It sounds like it is meant to be live and there is no way Dave could have been doing all the parts live so maybe its a Hawkwind recording? Does anyone know when this was recorded? Mark From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 08:13:42 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:13:42 +1000 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <01BC7CAE.7E79DA80@host5-99-47-56.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 12:17, Andrew Gilham wrote: > But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't played > it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 06:36:42 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:36:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706171244.NAA26296@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Andy said: >>So who's going to open the bidding for Ron's robot then? 'Ang about, I must have missed this somehow - Hawkwind selling off some of their gear? How do I find out about this? Thanks, Mark From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 13:41:57 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:41:57 BST Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:13:42 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > On 19 Jun 97 at 12:17, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't played > > it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) > > Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... It's possible that might even be the rarer one! Everybody seems to have the blue version 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 19 08:44:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:44:28 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo Message-ID: Albert: GREAT story! I know that I was also "in awe" of you the first time I met you -- here was the original drummer from my all-time favorite band standing right in front of me (eating a sub and shooting the breeze with someone else before I came over and introduced myself - yeah, I guess even rock stars gotta eat...) and was somewhat shy approaching you -- of course now I feel like I know you pretty well (at least well enough to share a beer with ya at the bar). Reminds me a little bit of one of the times you were at Mama Kin and I was talking to some guy who was a old BOC fan and had come to the club to get drunk and pick up girls (I think anyway - he was by himself, as was I, and after we talked a bit, he approached these 2 girls and made like we were old buddies -- don't know if I helped his chances or not - I wasn't there to pick up girls - the wife's kinda funny about that...) and he was really psyched to hear that tBS had Albert in it. I think he liked the band a lot, but really lost it when they played "Cities on Flame" (although I think he was too drunk to realize Al was singing in Spanish!). So, we know this guy liked the old BOC tunes - I hope he liked tBS tunes as well . . . Deb's inviting fans onstage now, huh? O.K., now I know the REAL reason you guys haven't been back in Boston - you're afraid I'm gonna bring my bass to the next gig! ;-) John PS: Don't forget to check out my Brain Surgeons page -- http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/ -- it's got the latest word on upcoming tBS shows (the west coast tour is only about a month away!), among other cool things (Carl's favorite tBS track, "Time Will Take Care of You", will be coming to a RealAudio Player near you within the next few weeks). You can also get to the Brain Surgones "Post-Op" from my BOC page -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman/ -- enjoy! From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 19 08:48:12 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:48:12 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation Message-ID: well, I have the black one and it's even rarer as it has a small piece of grit actually embedded in the vinyl, moulded in. Any offers on this rare example of a fine album? Unfortunately it has a tendency to totally shag the stylus and not surprisingly it jumps like a real bastard! Mike P. ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 19 June 1997 14:41 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: obObservation Sonique writes: > On 19 Jun 97 at 12:17, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't played > > it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) > > Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... It's possible that might even be the rarer one! Everybody seems to have the blue version 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 19 08:49:27 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:49:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) Message-ID: >>Andy said: >>>So who's going to open the bidding for Ron's robot then? > >'Ang about, I must have missed this somehow - Hawkwind selling off some >of their gear? How do I find out about this? Pay attention at the back! :) It's on Dave and Kris' Mission Control site, under "For Sale". So far they've just got the two items up for grabs, the famous robot and a mixing desk. (When I went to that page, I was expecting to see T-shirts and stuff!) I'm expecting a bidding war between Jill, Mike H and Bernhard :) Just in case, here's the URL again: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 08:52:58 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:52:58 +1000 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706191341.aa13222@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 13:41, J Strobridge wrote: > Sonique writes: > > > > But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't played > > > it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) > > > > Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... > > It's possible that might even be the rarer one! Everybody seems to have > the blue version 8-) Maybe in th UK ... but not in Oz. Only ever heard of the blue vinyl - never seen it I'm afraid! Sonique PS: You still planning to come to Oz for the tour if it happens Jill? We'll know next week for sure if it's happening ... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 08:54:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:54:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 11:36, Mark Edmonds wrote: > >Andy said: > >>So who's going to open the bidding for Ron's robot then? > > 'Ang about, I must have missed this somehow - Hawkwind selling off some > of their gear? How do I find out about this? go to http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind .. wait ... click the "For Sale" graphic and all will be revealed! PS: Tell "the DAVE" Sonique sent ya ;^))) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 09:13:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:13:24 +1000 Subject: HW: HawkEye 7 Message-ID: Hi People prolly allready know this, but HawkEye 7 is out. Age has done a great job (as usual), and this issue is further enhanced with a half page add for "OzHawks" ;^) Seriously - it's got the second part of the Nik T interview, all the usual news, and a great "Down through the years" section with bits and peices of quotes from news clippings covering all of HW's history. For those who don't know, you can get it for 2.50 pound in the UK (or 3.00 BP/$5 USD notes in Europe and 3.50 BP/$6 USD elsewhere) from: Adrian Parr, 6 Conifers Close Teddington Middlesex TW11 9JG Apparently copies of Hawkeye 4,5 & 6 are still available, as is the Discography (4 BP, 4.50 BP/$8 US, 5 BP/$9 US) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 14:35:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:35:38 GMT+0100 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo Message-ID: On tor 19 jun 1997 08.44 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Deb's inviting fans onstage now, huh? O.K., now I know the REAL reason > you guys haven't been back in Boston - you're afraid I'm gonna bring my > bass to the next gig! ;-) Lots of tBS fans in Boston this summer ... ;) Very dangerous. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 14:41:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:41:59 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Acrimony/Electric Wizard Message-ID: On tor 19 jun 1997 13.33 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > Since May 20th my fortune has been _negative_ 550 pounds! > ... and tomorrow I'm going to borrow another 10 pounds... Well, to prevent massive financial collapse I've avoided getting an overdraft allowance at my bank and have avoided getting a credit card--I'm afraid I would never be able to pay them off. Therefore my balance always stays positive (if you don't count the student loans I have in the US which I don't have to pay back until I get my degree) though it's sometimes so low as to be useless. I had a couple of weeks with a balance of 17p :) > I have never heard Electric Wizard... though I have seen at least one of > their CDs for sale... I think they use the same cover artist as > Cathedral... or am I mixing things up?!? Their first album has the same artist as Cathedral (since, surprise surprise, Rise Above Records is owned by Cathedral vocalist Lee Dorian ;) but the second does not. Actually, I just listened to the second album again, and liked it much better than I did before. You can sort of end up slowly swaying and head-banging in place if you aren't careful :) Cheer, Carl From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jun 19 09:51:17 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:51:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acrimony Message-ID: Andy wrote: >I started to worry when mine was minus 7,000 a couple of years ago :) > > So I shouldn't worry? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 15:42:24 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:42:24 BST Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:17:20 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > I really liked Levitation when it came out, partly because it finally = > gave me vinyl versions of much of the material played on the PXR5 tour, = > but also I think because it gave a rebuttal to all those snipers who = > slagged off Hawkwind for "not being able to play their instruments" - = > "look, we've got Ginger bloody Baker, he can play a bit, can't he? 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In-Reply-To: <9706171636.aa02770@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706171636.aa02770 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes > >ah now - as I understand it Dave was ummmmm "unavoidably delayed" >somewhere else because the show *was* mimed and he wouldn't do it to >mime. So Calvert stood in with a parrot on his shoulder (to represent >Mr Brock - I think?) and wore a motorcycle glove to "play" the guitar >with. > >I hope that's right! > >jill As I recall, TotP used real concert footage and the Bolan show was mimed. Didn't Dave's car "break down" enroute? Does anyone have a video of HW's ECT performance done probably in '83/'84? They played The Right Stuff and Angels of Death. It still makes me chuckle thinking about this because after The Right Stuff, Dave announced "We like smoking the right stuff you know!" and I remember watching this program during daylight so it probably went out at about 5 o'clock in the afternoon - kiddies hour in other words! From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Jun 19 13:06:30 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:06:30 +1000 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <199706171244.NAA26296 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy > <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > >Any one else here done a spacy > >jam to tape? > > Um, one or two. Did 'em in front of a paying audience once or twice. > -- > Jon Browne Well, (in a smug, self important sort of voice) I'm in the process of putting together an concept(ish) album called Information Island. It's certainly got a big dash of space in it, as it were. Only got a couple of songs down at present, and it's slow going, but it'll be done sooner or later, and you can be sure that I'm going to give it a good hard plugging about the net when it is done... Well... From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 08:34:11 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:34:11 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Sonique writes >On 19 Jun 97 at 12:17, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't >played >> it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) > >Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... This means you are probably better off soniquelly! I have both black and blue versions and the surface noise on the blue version is noticably louder. I think the same "more colour, more noise" rule also applies for picture discs. Mark From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Jun 19 13:41:25 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:41:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: I was working on updating my Golden Void web page again, and I want to add a list of the songs from other artists that Hawkwind has covered. The list that I have so far (pulled together from information sent to this list) is: All Along the Watchtower, Bob Dylan, May 05 1986 Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP Cimbaline, Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), bonus track on Hawkwind EMI CD City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 Dealing with the Devil, ???, ??? Gimme Shelter, Mick Jagger / Keith Richard (Rolling Stones), Gimme Shelter EP In the Mood, ???, October 24 1982 Make What You Can (?), ???, February 13 1972 Oh Lord, ???, June 22 1984 Waiting for my Man (I'm Waiting for the Man?), (Lou Reed ? (Velvet Underground)), March 11 1977 Wild Thing, Chip Taylor (Troggs), February 10 1985 I would appreciate information on any additions or corrections. Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 This is a one line proof...if we start sufficiently far to the left. -- peter at cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 18:48:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:48:24 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control (Forward) Message-ID: langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > Any one else here done a spacy jam to tape? Sure. Recorded some demo tapes with Chris Bruce (Kadu Flyer, US HW tour sound). I've yet to mix them, but the unmixed versions got played on MIT's radio station, thanks to the helpful DJing of Scott Heller :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of Anglo-Saxon Norse & Celtic, Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 19 13:51:47 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:51:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: <9706191241.ZM5113@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Frank Weil wrote: > I was working on updating my Golden Void web page again, and I want to > add a list of the songs from other artists that Hawkwind has covered. > The list that I have so far (pulled together from information sent to > this list) is: > City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 Frank Zappa > In the Mood, ???, October 24 1982 Glenn Miller (if you're referring to the basis of "In the Mood (nude)", that is) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Son of Walter_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 14:16:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:16:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's mail of Thu, 19 Jun 97 12:41 -0500 Message-ID: On 19 Jun 18:41, Frank Weil wrote: > Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP It wasn't on the original LP. It's a bonus track on the Hawkwind EMI CD. Also the following entries from an old version of the codex: Bring It On Home 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Night Riding > Cimbaline, Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), bonus track on Hawkwind EMI CD Isn't it spelt "Cymbaline"? > Gimme Shelter, Mick Jagger / Keith Richard (Rolling Stones), Gimme Shelter EP Also IITBOTFTBD (with Richard singing instead of Samantha Fox). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 19:20:23 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:20:23 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: On tor 19 jun 1997 12.41 "Frank Weil" wrote: > Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP This was not on the _Hawkwind_ LP (or subsequent re-releases of same) to my knowledge. I think originally it was a Brock/Dharma Blues Band track which later saw a release under the Hawkwind name--but I could be wrong about that. Check the Codex! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 19 19:32:57 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:32:57 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: On tor 19 jun 1997 19.16 "Dave Berry" wrote: > On 19 Jun 18:41, Frank Weil wrote: > > Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP > > It wasn't on the original LP. It's a bonus track on the Hawkwind EMI > CD. Good heavens, so it is. Didn't see it there, what with the dodgy xerox I stuck in a jewel case for normal use (to keep from screwing up the digipack). Cheers, Carl From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Jun 19 15:08:22 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:08:22 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? Message-ID: Hi All, As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the EBS releases for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but are the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? Just wanted to know... - Max Wilcox From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 19 13:23:45 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:23:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Electric Wizard Message-ID: Carl: Thanx for the review-I'm thginking about checking them out! Thank you! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I've been off the list for the last month (pure torture). Has anyone posted a review of the Brain Surgeons' show in Buffalo? I've been kicking myself for not being able to go, but I've been trying to cope with a new apartment and my first real-world job. I heard a friend's tape of "Pull the Plug" the other day. Interesting guitar work. I thought some parts of the covers didn't have the depth of emotion of the orginals, but on the whole it really threw me. Great job! Now that I actually have some money (or I will when I get paid) I can get my own tape. Brian _____________________ Brian brianh at pulleyn.com ------------------------------------- Buck & Pulleyn www.planetmarcom.com _____________________ From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Jun 19 15:42:47 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:42:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: Frank & Carl say: On tor 19 jun 1997 12.41 "Frank Weil" wrote: > > Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP > > This was not on the _Hawkwind_ LP (or subsequent re-releases of same) > to my knowledge. > > I think originally it was a Brock/Dharma Blues Band track which later > saw a release under the Hawkwind name--but I could be wrong about that. > > Check the Codex! > > Cheers, > Carl > Well what goes around comes around.... I remember once coming up with the astonishing revelation that the version of "Bring It On Home" which appears on the Hawkwind Anthology is different than the version (credited to the Dharma Blues Band) which appears on the "White Boy Blues" anthology - Volume 2 I think Of course everyone ignored me in the hope that I might just go away....... so either there are 2 version by the Dharma Blues band (probably), or just maybe one is some lineup that might have been Hawkwind (doubtful). Cheers, Steve L. Other covers issues: I think we don't count: Covers of Tim Blake songs (cos Tim was in the band) Covers of songs off Capn Lockheed (close enough to Hawkwind) Covers of HLL solo songs (while HLL was in the band) The Wild Thing was at the Hawkwind Convention thingy, if you count that I think there were some other covers at the same time. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 11:10:47 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:10:47 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706191542.aa06133@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >Andrew Gilham writes: > >> I really liked Levitation when it came out, partly because it finally = >> gave me vinyl versions of much of the material played on the PXR5 tour, = >> but also I think because it gave a rebuttal to all those snipers who = >> slagged off Hawkwind for "not being able to play their instruments" I've got quite a few tapes from the '79 tour and they nearly always screwed up the opening queues for "Who's Gonna Win The War"! Another great feature of Levitation which I think might be overlooked is the subtle tone range of Dave's and Huw's guitar work. I've heard few recordings which better some of those guitar tones. I really want to know how they got that jangly bell like sound for the Motorway City riff as I have never been able to get anywhere near it. Does anyone know what FX units Dave had at the time? M. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jun 19 17:21:40 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:21:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: >Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP remasterd CD bonus track, not LP >Cimbaline, Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), bonus track on Hawkwind EMI CD Cymbaline >City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 HW did this??!?!? Frank Zappa >In the Mood, ???, October 24 1982 Only "In the Mood" I know of is by Rush, written by Peart, but this can't be it. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 19 17:39:28 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:39:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: <19970619.173043.11718.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > >City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 > HW did this??!?!? Frank Zappa Strictly speaking, wasn't it the Agents of Chaos, and not Hawkwind (if it is from the same tape I have)? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sundial, _Other Way Out_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 12:12:37 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:12:37 +0100 Subject: HW: HawkEye 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Sonique writes >Hi > >People prolly allready know this, but HawkEye 7 is out. Age has done a great >job (as usual), and this issue is further enhanced with a half page add for >"OzHawks" ;^) Damn, I was going to say that! What I will say, then, is get this mag! You'll be glad you did and you WILL enjoy it. It's a terrific read. I'm seeing Age tomorrow, any messages for him? -- Jon Browne From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 18:21:03 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:21:03 +1000 Subject: HW: HawkEye 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 17:12, Jon Browne wrote: > In article , Sonique > writes > >Hi > > > >People prolly allready know this, but HawkEye 7 is out. Age has done a great > >job (as usual), and this issue is further enhanced with a half page add for > >"OzHawks" ;^) > > Damn, I was going to say that! What I will say, then, is get this mag! > You'll be glad you did and you WILL enjoy it. It's a terrific read. > I'm seeing Age tomorrow, any messages for him? Hi Jon, Can you say "thanks" from me, and that I've been sending his Hawkeye 6 flyer with every "Flying Doctor" I've sent out this year .... I'll change that to 7 now of course Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jun 19 18:11:43 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:11:43 -0400 Subject: HW: obObservation Colour=Noize Message-ID: ---------- From: Mark Edmonds[SMTP:mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 1997 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: obObservation In article , Sonique writes >On 19 Jun 97 at 12:17, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> But no, I don't like it as much as "Silver Machine" era HW! Mind, I haven't >played >> it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) > >Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... This means you are probably better off soniquelly! I have both black and blue versions and the surface noise on the blue version is noticably louder. I think the same "more colour, more noise" rule also applies for picture discs. Mark The black LP's are the most quiet, as far as surface noise is concerned (all other things being equal; I have some RCA LP's that have horrible surface noise. These are the ones that are about half the thickness of regular LP's; they warp real easy, too...) If I remember correctly, the finer the lampblack that they use in the production, the quieter the surface. It also helps to use virgin vinyl, too (back in the '70's, when petroleum prices went sky high, the record companies ground up unsold LP's, labels 'n all, to use for new releases. Can you say "sandpaper"??? Coloured/picture LP's are good for one thing and that is display purposes only. Probably the noisiest LP that I have is the first Devo on "marble" vinyl; cool to look at, anyway. All of my picture/coloured LP's are duplicated with boring ol' black ones that I play (or I used to, anyways...) Consider that the picture LP's have a hunk of cardboard sandwiched between two slabs of vinyl that are fused together and you can see what a sonic nightmare that marketing tool is! In the case of LP's, black is truly (sonically) beautiful! I had a lot of fun trying to get my clear Synergy LP's to play on my Sony turntable; y'see, it uses a light source and photocells to determine the size 'n speed of the record being played and with a clear record, well... I could manually override the player to get it to work, but some days it just had a mind of it's own. I like CD's.... obCDPlayer: VA / The Truth Is Twisted (e-music inspired by the X-files. Cool!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jun 19 19:06:12 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:06:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:10:27 BST M Holmes wrote: >No arguing with that, although Nuclear Drive still has it for the >Dumbest Lyrics category. You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? "Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that!" ....and so on..... Then again, I don't remember the lyrics to Nuclear Drive... :-) Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jun 19 19:17:33 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:17:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Black Sword (Forward) Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:41:29 -0500 John Majka wrote: >Mr. Lagner: >are you dyslexic or just type very carelessly or what? Um, you mean "lyxdexic", right? :P Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jun 19 19:23:32 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:23:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: How strange... On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 19:01:06 -0400 "L-Soft list server at St. Peter's College, US (1.8b)" wrote: >Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have >already been distributed to the BOC-L list. That is, a message with identical >text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list >recently, either by you or by someone else. Anyway, apologies if you already got this: On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:10:27 BST M Holmes wrote: >No arguing with that, although Nuclear Drive still has it for the >Dumbest Lyrics category. You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? "Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that!" ....and so on..... Then again, I don't remember the lyrics to Nuclear Drive... :-) Damon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 12:01:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:01:32 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706191341.aa13222@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706191341.aa13222 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >It's possible that might even be the rarer one! Everybody seems to have >the blue version 8-) > >jill Could be! Mine's blue... -- Jon Browne ObCD - Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating In Space at last! Ob Bummer- Verve Gig cancelled, *and* I was on the guest list :((((((( Verve go #1 next week. First time I've backed a winner since oh, Little Jimmy Osmond in '71, probably From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 19 19:40:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:40:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul 2 official page Message-ID: Just got this mail - it's well worth checking out! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -----Original Message----- From: SelfDestructBoy [SMTP:100272.617 at compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 1997 9:44 PM To: Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com Subject: official page Hi, you should try this site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gammarock/ and browse through the AD2 bio and disco... you can even order stuff, it's all official... the Gammarock Records homepage! - Stefan (maintainer) From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 20:00:40 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:00:40 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-14 17:03:26 EDT, you write: << The runestaff was seperate, I believe. It was in the tower when Corum/Elric/Erekose were merged with their swords, seperately. It seems to be an artifact that exists only once throughout the spheres, but moves about them freely.... As for other things that are always present, it does seem that the city Tanelorn exists in every world also, though in some it has fallen.... >> Also the spirit of the Runestaff was named Jehamiah Cohnahlias. Coincidence? I think not. The Runestaff was forged to uphold the cosmic balance between Law and Chaos. It forms a sort of "bubble" of Cosmic Balance around it. Also, the Sword of the Dawn is not a manifestation of the Chaos Sword. I can't remember how the Chaos Sword fits into the Hawkmoon novels. And now back to your regularly scheduled Hawkprogram... From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 20:06:28 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:06:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Pressurehed Tour Dates Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-15 03:36:09 EDT, you write: << PRESSUREHEAD SUMMER 1997 July 17 Paradise Lounge San Francisco, CA >> Frag! So close, but so far away! From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 20:42:39 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:42:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-15 04:51:36 EDT, you write: ><< t's tough to be a young Hawkfan in the US, ain't it? You kinda feel like > you're alone and cold on the edge of time... And we're tired... we're so tired... > I was also a big > > fan of Motorhead and watched an interview with him in which he was handed >a bag of goodies and asked to comment on each item in the bag. One of the > > items was a Michael Moorcock novel (to which he stated something to the > > effect of "a great author... but a pity about the last name.") > > "Michael More Plots. Yes, Michael Moorcock, most unfortunate name, but we > won't go into that on family television now, will we?" "He's a very good author, actually. He used to come on stage with us when I was with Hawkwind and read poetry that you could't hear 'cause he was so nervous he read it too fast and he would sound like 'Libidi libidi libidu libilibidu' like that, but people said 'Wow, he's cosmic.'" And what did Lemmy say when he pulled a Hawkwind album out of the bag? "Hawkwind. This is a band I used to be with back in um... before you were born. And you can't read it [the album cover] actually because it's soooo psychedelic. Y'see that? "There's only two tracks on this that I was on... it's uh... Kings of Speed, which was the last track that I ever recorded with Hawkwind, and Night of the Hawks which I came back for... because they asked me to... because they thought it would make them more money... but it failed miserably. "Not really worth the money. My advice is to steal it [the album] if at all possible." I never could figure out which album that is that Lemmy is holding. I couldn't read the title (because it is sooo psychedelic). > Moorcock indirectly got me into BOC, via Black Blade. I had read the Elric > series and was a big fan. At first I thought BOC just wrote a tune about > Elric, then realized MM had actually collaborated with them...then heard he > collaborated w/HW...finally realized he was actually a member with > HW...that was the evolution of my realization of MM's involvement w/rock > music... > >As I have said before and will say again, it can be such a > >pain to > > find Hawkwind in the U.S.!! > Amen, Tony! Such frustration. Gotta move up to Frisco, someone here said > that's a good place to find Space Rock in the Western Hemisphere. Actually, a good friend of mine told me of a trip he took to some huge record store near Berkley (sp?). He checked out the huge Hawkwind CD selection there and saw that someone had written on the Hawkwind CD divider something to the effect: "Hawkwind, the greatest Space Rock band ever. Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of every one of these CDs today." That wouldn't have been you, would it? > A less descriminating Hawkfan, Charlie >> Less discriminating? You lost me on that one... Tony From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jun 19 20:46:10 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:46:10 +0200 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: ...I think I have some kind of a OFF-period right now... :-) National Swedish radio did broadcast some good music today ... some psych from the 60's, an Anekdoten song and a Masters of Reality number ... and that made me wonder... ...What have happened with MoR? Are they still a band? I have searched the Net but I haven't found anything... And I also haven't heard their 95 (or maybe 96) album... was it any good? The only thing I know is that Chris Goss (gtr and vox in MoS) produced the Slo Burn EP "Amusing the Amazing"... go'natt -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jun 19 20:54:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:54:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: Tony wrote some really funny stuff: >Libidu sooo psychedelic libidi... and so on When did you hear/read Lemmy say this? go'natt igen -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From HawkLord at AOL.COM Thu Jun 19 21:11:49 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:11:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-19 06:02:54 EDT, you write: << I remember the digital-ness of Levitation being slightly newsworthy at the time. I had thought it was the first album recorded digitally. Maybe it was the first album to be entirely recorded thus? Alasdair >> I remember reading something about this also. I thought it was inside the album sleeve, but there wasn't a word of it in there. I remember looking for more information on this a while back, but being unable to figure out where the heck I had read it in the first place. Did the lot of us all suffer some massive group hallucination or is there really something to this? Do we have to ask Dave Brock himself? Tony From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Jun 19 21:21:25 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:21:25 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > Also, the Sword of the Dawn is not a manifestation of the Chaos Sword. unless i missed it, no one said it was. > I can't remember how the Chaos Sword fits into the Hawkmoon novels. i believe it was "the jewel" in dorians skull. > And now back to your regularly scheduled Hawkprogram... rj From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 19 22:59:55 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:59:55 +1000 Subject: OFF: Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans, Nik Turner & friends - Live Message-ID: Hi, I just received a copy of this CD in the mail from someone in Denmark, with absolutely no indication where who has come from or why! Does anyone know anything about it??? Paul -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Thu Jun 19 23:19:31 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:19:31 -0400 Subject: HW: seven by seven Message-ID: The Cleopatra "new releases" for July contains this thing. Astralasia has remixed Hawkwind in the past, and Hawkwind has a song by this name... so is this a Hawkwind remix, or something unrelated? ASTRALASIA * Seven by Seven Maxi Single * 0043 * $7.98 * Hypno From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jun 19 11:22:15 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:22:15 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: > >In the Mood, ???, October 24 1982 > Only "In the Mood" I know of is by Rush, written by Peart, but this > can't > be it. You mean you've never heard of Glenn Miller??? William From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Jun 20 01:54:47 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:54:47 +1000 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: Tony A. Rowe wrote: > > In a message dated 97-06-19 06:02:54 EDT, you write: > > << I remember the digital-ness of Levitation being slightly newsworthy at the > time. I had thought it was the first album recorded digitally. Maybe it was > the first album to be entirely recorded thus? > > Alasdair > >> > I remember reading something about this also. I thought it was inside the > album sleeve, but there wasn't a word of it in there. I remember looking for > more information on this a while back, but being unable to figure out where > the heck I had read it in the first place. > > Did the lot of us all suffer some massive group hallucination or is there > really something to this? Do we have to ask Dave Brock himself? In my copy of Levitation - the double set with Hawkwind Live, there is a small bit of writing for each album. It says, and I quote:- "Levitation, one of the first rock albums to be recorded using digital technology, was cut in London's Roundhouse Studios in mid 1980..." So there you have it. - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Jun 20 01:59:43 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:59:43 +1000 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Ron Jennings wrote: > > > Also, the Sword of the Dawn is not a manifestation of the Chaos Sword. > > unless i missed it, no one said it was. > > > I can't remember how the Chaos Sword fits into the Hawkmoon novels. > > i believe it was "the jewel" in dorians skull. But, the Grantbrettans (or however it's spelt) aren't really embodiments of chaos - which the sword in Elric I guess was. But then again, perhaps the sword was an embodiment of cosmic balance, which still doesn't seem much like the jewel. My bet is that it's the runestaff that is the sword - whereas the jewel isn't sentient, but is controlled by the Grantbrettans, the Runestaff is, and is subject to higher powers. Corum on the other hand, is a little more difficult to find an embodiment of the sword in, though. But that's another story... - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Jun 20 02:01:37 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:01:37 +1000 Subject: OFF: Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans, Nik Turner & friends - Live Message-ID: OzHawks wrote: > I just received a copy of this CD in the mail from someone in Denmark, with > absolutely no indication where who has come from or why! Gee, I wish that happened to me... - Max Wilcox From HawkLord at AOL.COM Fri Jun 20 02:49:18 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:49:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-19 21:07:57 EDT, you write: << You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? "Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that!" ....and so on..... >> Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! Shouldn't Do that! and so on. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jun 20 04:14:04 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:14:04 +0200 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: Hi there At 14:45 19.06.97 +0100, you wrote: >Does anyone have a video of HW's ECT performance done probably in >'83/'84? I've got it. It was recorded on 26.04.1985 Bernhard They played The Right Stuff and Angels of Death. It still makes >me chuckle thinking about this because after The Right Stuff, Dave >announced "We like smoking the right stuff you know!" and I remember >watching this program during daylight so it probably went out at about 5 >o'clock in the afternoon - kiddies hour in other words! > > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 20 05:45:59 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:45:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: >Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... >Shouldn't > Do that! >Shouldn't > Do that! Actually, "Shouldn't do that" has some great lyrics - "You get nowhere/You get no air/You're getting aware...", etc. And the repetition is the point, anyway, the forces of authority endlessly repeating "you shouldn't do that". If you're looking for poor lyrics, you needn't look further than "Moonglum and Elric chasing Theleb K'aarna/Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana" (although I hasten to add I quite like "Moonglum", which I find paradoxical but there you go :) - Andy ObLP: The Doors - _Absolutely Live_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 06:40:07 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:40:07 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > But, the Grantbrettans (or however it's spelt) aren't really > embodiments of chaos - which the sword in Elric I guess was. But then > again, perhaps the sword was an embodiment of cosmic balance, which > still doesn't seem much like the jewel. the sword does not represent chaos. it was neutral as far as law and chaos goes. merely evil. it destroyed both law and chaos in the end. didnt it? i always assumed it was the jewel, perhaps for no better reason than it was black. > My bet is that it's the runestaff that is the sword - whereas the jewel > isn't sentient, but is controlled by the Grantbrettans, the Runestaff > is, and is subject to higher powers. it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. > Corum on the other hand, is a little more difficult to find an > embodiment of the sword in, though. But that's another story... agreed. maybe mm made this deliberately confusing? rj From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 20 07:05:55 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:05:55 +0100 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. Most of the locations in the Hawkmoon stories are real, e.g. Kamarg = the Camargue in the south of France, Kanbery = Canterbury. I've seen a map, can't remember where, maybe in one of the new Millennium omnibuses?, which makes it all totally explicit even if European geography is unfamiliar, but anyway, it was deliberate making the British the villains, just to give it a twist for his (at the time) mostly British readership. ('Course, that was before every Hollywood film made the British the bad guys :) There are some typical MM jokes too, the one I recall is "Aral Vilsn", some sort of legendary hero, which is of course Harold Wilson, then prime minister. >agreed. maybe mm made this deliberately confusing? I'd be more inclined to guess he was making it up as he went along, and only tried to impose that sort of structure later on? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:25:59 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:25:59 BST Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > As I recall, TotP used real concert footage and the Bolan show was > mimed. Didn't Dave's car "break down" enroute? It was nice of the Hawks to tribute 'im when Bolan's car had it's little accident. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:30:47 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:30:47 BST Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:08:22 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Hi All, > > As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the EBS releases > for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but are > the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? > Just wanted to know... Got Red shift. I like it more than I usually do Bainbridge's stuff. Some of it reminds me of Wavestar and early Tangerine Dream. I sent off for LiS as advertised on Hawkwind's WWW page. No result. Am I unlucky or is it just the usual efficiency? > - Max Wilcox FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:35:20 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:35:20 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART writes: > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:10:27 BST M Holmes wrote: > >No arguing with that, although Nuclear Drive still has it for the > >Dumbest Lyrics category. > > You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? > > Then again, I don't remember the lyrics to Nuclear Drive... :-) No probs... Nuclear Drive (Music pretty much as per Nuclear Toy) ============= Before I had time to think about it And right before my eyes The machine had landed and the door was open wide I stepped inside the spaceship, a voice said "Take a seat man, do you want to cruise the Universe go where no one else has ever been?" With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive But before I could answer The ship began to rise I looked out of the porthole And felt most peculiar inside Take me up the skyways Show me what you've seen I want to cruise the universe in your superspace machine With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:33:07 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:33:07 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > > > >City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 > > HW did this??!?!? Frank Zappa > > Strictly speaking, wasn't it the Agents of Chaos, and not Hawkwind (if it > is from the same tape I have)? Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by whom though. > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:53:23 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:53:23 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Tony A. Rowe's message of Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:42:39 -0400 Message-ID: Tony A. Rowe writes: > > Moorcock indirectly got me into BOC, via Black Blade. I had read the Elric > > series and was a big fan. At first I thought BOC just wrote a tune about > > Elric, then realized MM had actually collaborated with them...then heard he > > collaborated w/HW...finally realized he was actually a member with > > HW...that was the evolution of my realization of MM's involvement w/rock > > music... Same here. I was a bejant (obUS: freshman) student in 1976 and had to share a room in halls. I was avidly reading the Corum books at the time, having just devoured the Hawkmoon and Erekose books. We had portable cassette players which had only just become cheap and mass market items here and were what then passed for student hifi. I was then listening to Bowie and, I'm afraid, Abba. My roommate had two tapes which he played pretty frequently: Hall of the Mountain Grill and Warrior on the Edge of Time. They were just pretty much at the edge of my conciousness until one day I caught the "And they screamed for a champion" when I was in the middle of The Sword and the Stallion and I thought "That's a coincidence, weird!" and started listening. By the end of that lyric I was saying "Toss us those tape covers would you Jim?" and spotted the Moorcock rune on the credits. "He played in a band? Better give these a listen..." By the end of a week my fave songs were confirmed as Magnu and You;d Better Believe It and my roommate already didn't care if he never heard Hawkwind again. On trawling through the tape and record collections of everyone in the hall (57 people I think) I'd orchestrated tapes of "Hawkwind" (weird I thought, and "sounds like a cow giving birth" my farmer roommate commented on Seeing It As You Really Are), In Search of Space, and Roadhawks. When I got back home for the summer I added Space Ritual, Doremi and Greasy Truckers. Quark, Strangeness and Charm came out and I bought it on cassette. In September they played Edinburgh and I organised a minibus trip to go to the gig. The following year I bought hifi and started collecting records. My uncle had a record shop and ordered the singles for me so I nabbed everything except Kings of Speed, Hurry On Sundown, and of course the one I still don't have: "Hassan I Sabha". Thus a Hawkwind Kollection was born... From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 07:13:53 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:13:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <01BC7D67.2B77B460@host5-99-46-114.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC7D67.2B77B460 at host5-99-46-114.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >If you're looking for poor lyrics, you needn't look further than "Moonglum >and Elric chasing Theleb K'aarna/Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana" >(although I hasten to add I quite like "Moonglum", which I find paradoxical >but there you go :) The good thing about these lyrics is that unless you know what all those bizarre fantasy names are, you can`t work out what the words are so they never interfere with the music. I did try working out some of the lines but they sort of ended up garbled "See the amazing super fly". Star Cannibal is one of my contenders for poor lyrics as well as Studnik Stan and that track on Sonic Attack which starts abbuu-dabbuu abbuu- dabbuu. Its the one with the "The're trying to rob you of your right to communicate". To balance all that, some great lyrics: Steppenwolf Quark, Strangeness and Charm Spirit of the Age or to simplify it, anything Bob wrote I suppose! Mark, who's just managed to write something without mentioning Levitation. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 20 07:54:08 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:54:08 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > But, the Grantbrettans (or however it's spelt) aren't really >embodiments of chaos - which the sword in Elric I guess was. But then >again, perhaps the sword was an embodiment of cosmic balance, which >still doesn't seem much like the jewel. > My bet is that it's the runestaff that is the sword - whereas the jewel >isn't sentient, but is controlled by the Grantbrettans, the Runestaff >is, and is subject to higher powers. > Corum on the other hand, is a little more difficult to find an >embodiment of the sword in, though. But that's another story... Corum had that glove and eye combo working for him. The Runestaff doesn't have the same feel as the sword to me. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:55:46 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:55:46 BST Subject: cotbs In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:59:43 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Corum on the other hand The silver one? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 12:58:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:58:52 BST Subject: cotbs In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:05:55 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- > >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. > > Most of the locations in the Hawkmoon stories are real, e.g. Kamarg = the > Camargue in the south of France, Kanbery = Canterbury. I've seen a map, > can't remember where, maybe in one of the new Millennium omnibuses?, which > makes it all totally explicit even if European geography is unfamiliar, but > anyway, it was deliberate making the British the villains, just to give it > a twist for his (at the time) mostly British readership. ('Course, that > was before every Hollywood film made the British the bad guys :) > > There are some typical MM jokes too, the one I recall is "Aral Vilsn", some > sort of legendary hero, which is of course Harold Wilson, then prime > minister. And of course the bridge to GranBrettan. > I'd be more inclined to guess he was making it up as he went along, and > only tried to impose that sort of structure later on? Yup. He concedes that he was knocking the stories out one every three days in order to try and save the New Worlds magazine which was then going down the swannee. > - Andy FoFP From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 20 08:00:31 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:00:31 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: >> But, the Grantbrettans (or however it's spelt) aren't really >> embodiments of chaos - which the sword in Elric I guess was. But then >> again, perhaps the sword was an embodiment of cosmic balance, which >> still doesn't seem much like the jewel. > >the sword does not represent chaos. it was neutral as far as law and chaos >goes. merely evil. >it destroyed both law and chaos in the end. didnt it? >i always assumed it was the jewel, perhaps for no better reason than it was >black. I suppose all black artifacts look the same to you? Yeah, I suppose the jewel is the closest thing, since it had an almost-life of its own and it could destroy Dorian's life force... >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. Anyone else think MM's eight-pointed chaos symbol was based on the british flag? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 13:09:12 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:09:12 BST Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:45:59 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > >Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... > > >Shouldn't > > Do that! > >Shouldn't > > Do that! > > Actually, "Shouldn't do that" has some great lyrics - "You get nowhere/You > get no air/You're getting aware...", etc. And the repetition is the point, > anyway, the forces of authority endlessly repeating "you shouldn't do > that". My memory gives me the chant as reading "Should do that, shouldn't do that, should do that, shouldn't do that" as a kind of double authority command - not only telling you what not to do but what you have to do as well. But maybe that's just my paranoia re-inventing Hawkwind lyrics as well as everything else! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jun 20 08:49:00 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:49:00 +0200 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: >> >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- >> >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. >> >And of course the bridge to GranBrettan. > I recall the correct spelling is Granbretan... I can be wrong though... and my Hawkmoon books (both English and Swedish versions)is at home so I can't check it out right now. mvh -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 20 08:52:34 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:52:34 +0100 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > My bet is that it's the runestaff that is the sword - At the end of "Quest for Tanelorn", you have the sword destroying the balance, and then the staff smashing the jewel... Wasn't it "Phoenix in Obsidian" where you also have the chalice, so you get some really dozy symbolism with the sword and the cup, yadda yadda, anyway, what this makes me think of is the suits in a deck of cards ('specially the tarot), swords/spades, cups/hearts, staffs/clubs, coins/diamonds... Where this is going I don't know, unless he's consicously, or maybe unconsciously, using archetypal symbols... Anyway, the Captain says to "Stormbringer" (for want of a better name), "You can only inhabit (or be inhabited by) one of the two manifestations, the sword or the jewel" (yes, he does speak in parentheses) - so whether that makes them the same or different is up to you! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jun 20 09:10:32 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:10:32 +0200 Subject: OFF: coloured vinyl... was HW something... Message-ID: hi! I have "trashed" the mails concerning the topic "coloured Levitation LP etc" and can't remember the old title of the thread... But, anyway, I have the same experience as many of you: picture discs and LPs with other colours than black (I know, I know... black is not a colour, but you get the point) are sounding bad. I think this is really strange 'cos I can't see any reason why this should be the case. Vinyl is vinyl... no matter what the colour is. I have also read that even black LPs are coloured in some way... i.e black is not the natural colour of vinyl... but still there's too often a clear difference in soundquality between black vinyl and other vinyl to convince me that this is just a coincidence. mvh -Daniel ps trevlig midsommar Johan, Dan, Richard och Henrik... ta det lugnt med sillen och sp?nken bara... eller g?r inte det f?rresten... ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jun 20 09:19:54 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:19:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: Acrimony again Message-ID: hi I have given Acrimony a listen... there's some samples on the Net... quite good actually... pretty close to Kyuss but not as exciting though... ... and the vox sounds pretty weak... but I think I'll try to order "Tumuli Shroomaroom" in a few weeks 'cos I feel like I have to explore some new bands schk??l -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 04:47:49 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:47:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions In-Reply-To: <33AA1B27.27AEB7F3@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In article <33AA1B27.27AEB7F3 at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes > In my copy of Levitation - the double set with Hawkwind Live, there is >a small bit of writing for each album. It says, and I quote:- > > "Levitation, one of the first rock albums to be recorded using >digital technology, was cut in London's Roundhouse Studios in mid >1980..." > > So there you have it. > >- Max Wilcox The original LP sleeve also says words to the effect of "A digital recording" and "Mastered on the 3M digital system...." which makes me wonder if it was a full digital recording or just a digital master. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jun 20 04:43:32 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:43:32 -0700 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: ---------- > From: Tony A. 97-06-15 04:51:36 EDT, you write: > > ><< t's tough to be a young Hawkfan in the US, ain't it? You kinda feel like > > you're alone and cold on the edge of time... > > And we're tired... we're so tired... > > > I . Y'see that? > > "There's only place to find Space Rock in the Western Hemisphere. > > Actually, a good friend of mine told me of a trip he took to some huge record > store near Berkley (sp?). He checked out the huge Hawkwind CD selection > there and saw that someone had written on the Hawkwind CD divider something > to the effect: > > "Hawkwind, the greatest Space Rock band ever. Do yourself a favor and pick > up a copy of every one of these CDs today." > > That wouldn't have been you, would it? > No, unfortunately, I've never even been to San Fran. Santa Barbara is the farthest north I've been. But one of these days... > > A less descriminating Hawkfan, Charlie >> > > Less discriminating? You lost me on that one... > Just that I tend to like almost all HW albums, not love necessarily, but at least find some value or novelty in all... > Tony ] Charlie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 14:40:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:40:16 GMT+0100 Subject: OFF: Acrimony again Message-ID: On fre 20 jun 1997 15.19 "Daniel Wikdahl" wrote: > I have given Acrimony a listen... there's some samples on the Net... > quite good actually... pretty close to Kyuss but not as exciting > though... Well, no--but it's a rare thing than can match Kyuss :) Cheers, Carl From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 09:18:30 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:18:30 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? In-Reply-To: <33A983A6.CAE0E445@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 97 at 5:08, Max Wilcox wrote: > Hi All, > > As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the EBS releases > for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but are > the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? > Just wanted to know... >From what Doug has told me (and as you know I've been talking to him about this stuff), it isn't out yet ... he says "soon", but it's hard to say *exactly* what that means. I'll be sure (if no-one else does) to let everyone know when they are released. There are plans for re-releases of some earlier CD's as well - no word on the actual PXR-5 release date yet ... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 09:28:20 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:28:20 +1000 Subject: HW: obObservation Colour=Noize In-Reply-To: <01BC7CDC.3F5DEA20@dynamic-5.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 18:11, Craig Shipley wrote: Andy: > >> it for ages - have to give that blue vinyl a spin I guess :) Me: > >Bastard! I only have the black (Bronze) vinyl ... Mark: > This means you are probably better off soniquelly! I have both black and > blue versions and the surface noise on the blue version is noticably > louder. I think the same "more colour, more noise" rule also applies > for picture discs. Craig: > Coloured/picture LP's are good for one thing and that is display purposes only. Probably the noisiest > LP that I have is the first Devo on "marble" vinyl; cool to look at, anyway. All of my picture/coloured LP's are > duplicated with boring ol' black ones that I play (or I used to, anyways...) Consider that the picture LP's have a > hunk of cardboard sandwiched between two slabs of vinyl that are fused together and you can see what a > sonic nightmare that marketing tool is! In the case of LP's, black is truly (sonically) beautiful! Strangely enough, back when I bought Eloy's _Planets_ and _Time to Turn_ in *clear* vinyl, I expected them to be awful in this respect. I can safely say that the quality of recording on these albums is still better than any of the other reocrds in my collection (and they've had quite a few spins in their 13-odd years). These too were (from memory) digitally mastered. Perhaps no colour at all is the go? And when I paid double the normal price for a Jap pressing of PF's "Dance Songs" because I thought the thick vinyl would outlast the normal release, I found within a very short period that this wasn't the case. That album probably has more pops and crackles than anything else I've bought (except perhaps my Meco's _Encounters of the third kind_ ... the kids *wisely* use that as a frisbee ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 09:32:02 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:32:02 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Jun 97 at 13:51, Paul Mather wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Frank Weil wrote: > > > In the Mood, ???, October 24 1982 > > Glenn Miller (if you're referring to the basis of "In the Mood (nude)", > that is) Didn't Robert Plant do a track by this name on one of his albums? > obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Son of Walter_ Yep! obCD: Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans and Uncle Nik live (whoever sent it to me I'm most impressed!) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 09:15:21 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:15:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <9706201235.aa14842@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706201235.aa14842 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes Sorry, got a minor correction here: >Nuclear Drive (Music pretty much as per Nuclear Toy) >============= > >Before I had time to think about it >And right before my eyes >The machine had landed and the door was open wide >I stepped inside the spaceship, a voice said >"Take a seat man, do you want to cruise the Universe The voice actually said "Good evening", not "Take a seat man". I would actually strongly disagree about the music being similar to Nuclear Toy. Nuclear Drive is a one chord wonder, it is basically the same chord bouncing along with the guitar playing a syncopated mini-riff on top. Nuclear Toy on the other hand is the standard Hawkwind 2-chord shifter used in countless songs. If you want to classify the Hawkwind riffs, you can group some of them as follows: One-chord bouncer: Nuclear Drive Earthed to the Ground Two-chord shifter: Spirit of the Age Motorway City Nuclear Toy Steppenwolf The Island Heads (sort of) Uncle Sams on Mars The Magnu Riff Magnu Streets of Fear Freefall (heavy middle section) Flying Doctor I always think its pretty amazing that Hawkwind got so many different songs out of essentially the same chord sequences or riff styles. Mark From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 10:37:34 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:37:34 +0100 Subject: Off:Prepare your spirit.. Message-ID: Dear people. I wish to get my summer solstice wishes in early, incase a 4 mile exclusion zone is suddenly erected around bocl headquarters to stop the flow of suspicious hippy related traffic. May you have a good one, and may I suggest listening to Stonehenge decoded, as it has got me in the mood for sitting in a field overnight in the rain up on the Ridgeway. Cheers yours hippily Mike w From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 15:39:12 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:39:12 BST Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Star Cannibal is one of my contenders for poor lyrics as well as Studnik > Stan No argument there. > and that track on Sonic Attack which starts abbuu-dabbuu abbuu- > dabbuu. Its the one with the "The're trying to rob you of your right to > communicate". I dunno, I think that's quite a clever track. > To balance all that, some great lyrics: > > Steppenwolf > Quark, Strangeness and Charm > Spirit of the Age > > or to simplify it, anything Bob wrote I suppose! Hmmmm, I think there are non-Bob tracks like Heads which have interesting lyrics. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 20 10:47:38 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:47:38 +0800 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: Tony A. Rowe wrote: > > In a message dated 97-06-19 21:07:57 EDT, you write: > > << You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? > > "Do that! > Do that! > Do that! > Do that! > Do that! > Do that! > Do that! > Do that!" > ....and so on..... >> > > Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... > > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > Shouldn't > Do that! > > and so on. The track "Do That" on The Business Trip is basically the words "Do That" William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 20 10:53:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:53:52 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Paul Mather writes: > > > On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Ian R Fines wrote: > > > > > >City of Tiny Lights, ???, November 14 1988 > > > HW did this??!?!? Frank Zappa > > > > Strictly speaking, wasn't it the Agents of Chaos, and not Hawkwind > (if it > > is from the same tape I have)? > > Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by > whom though. > Safe Zone was not done by Hawkwind, as the album contains other artists as well. I'm not sure who it was though, as I only have the CD, and it doesn't say? I've seen it on one of the web pages though. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 20 11:00:29 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:00:29 +0800 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > On 20 Jun 97 at 5:08, Max Wilcox wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the > EBS releases > > for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but > are > > the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? > > Just wanted to know... > > >From what Doug has told me (and as you know I've been talking to him > about > this stuff), it isn't out yet ... he says "soon", but it's hard to say > *exactly* what that means. I'll be sure (if no-one else does) to let > everyone > know when they are released. > > There are plans for re-releases of some earlier CD's as well - no word > on the > actual PXR-5 release date yet ... > I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? William From manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 19 12:23:58 1997 From: manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK (Buckley) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:23:58 +0100 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? In-Reply-To: <$I3SsCA2fTqzEwyT@mmje.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes >Does anyone have a video of HW's ECT performance done probably in >'83/'84? They played The Right Stuff and Angels of Death. It still makes >me chuckle thinking about this because after The Right Stuff, Dave >announced "We like smoking the right stuff you know!" and I remember >watching this program during daylight so it probably went out at about 5 >o'clock in the afternoon - kiddies hour in other words! Yes, it's quite degraded and I don't have the facility to clean it or copy it even. It went out at 5.30/6.00 Friday evening on channel 4. The footage is from May 1985 just prior to the four date UK tour that year ending in Nottingham on an exceptionally rainy night. I remember I was on a bike. Simon The Buckley House - manubrium at manubrium.demon.co.uk Lancashire folk - living in Yorkshire. One day we'll paint all the roses on the bridges in York red :o) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 16:14:13 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:14:13 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:53:52 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by > > whom though. > > > Safe Zone was not done by Hawkwind It was during an Agents of Chaos gig. > William FoFP From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 11:16:04 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:16:04 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? In-Reply-To: <33AA9B0D.911B7C57@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 97 at 23:00, William Duffy wrote: > I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? This is all from the memory of a particularly tired brain .... Some of it (apparently) has appeared on various albums and singles, but other tracks are previously unreleased. I have no idea of the ratio. Hopefully we'll all soon find out! S -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 11:17:33 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:17:33 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: <33AA997F.A8A1591B@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 97 at 22:53, William Duffy wrote: > > > Strictly speaking, wasn't it the Agents of Chaos, and not Hawkwind > > (if it > > > is from the same tape I have)? > > > > Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by > > whom though. > > > Safe Zone was not done by Hawkwind, as the album contains other artists > as well. I'm not sure who it was though, as I only have the CD, and it > doesn't say? > I've seen it on one of the web pages though. Safe Zone was Tubilah Dog, so there's a link there, but that's about it -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 11:19:18 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:19:18 +1000 Subject: Off:Prepare your spirit.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20 Jun 97 at 15:37, sultan of swing (The) wrote: > Dear people. > > I wish to get my summer solstice wishes in early, incase a 4 mile > exclusion zone is suddenly erected around bocl headquarters to stop the > flow of suspicious hippy related traffic. > > May you have a good one, and may I suggest listening to Stonehenge > decoded, as it has got me in the mood for sitting in a field overnight in > the rain up on the Ridgeway. It's Winter Solstice time down under ... last few nights have been pea-souper fogs - and tonight has an extremely bright full moon. All we need is some rocks and we too can pretend we are on the Salisbury plain .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 20 11:20:33 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:20:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >I would actually strongly disagree about the music [in Nuclear Drive] being similar to >Nuclear Toy. Is this not the old chestnut about the two versions of Nuclear Toy - the one on Weird 101 (which pretty much *is* Nuclear Drive with different words), and the "War" b-side which really doesn't sound much like it at all? Isn't "Zarozinia" "Golden Void" slowed down? "Flesh fondue, main course stew", that's the "good" lyric, isn't it? :) What's "Rocky Paths" about? - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 11:28:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:28:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: M Holmes' mail of Fri, 20 Jun 97 15:39 -0100 Message-ID: On 20 Jun 17:39, M Holmes wrote: > Mark Edmonds writes: > > > Star Cannibal is one of my contenders for poor lyrics as well as Studnik > > Stan > > No argument there. I like the lyrics to Sputnik Stan! I think they're funny. Dave. "So don't you be nicking it, 'cos it's all *mine*". -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 16:31:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:31:45 GMT+0100 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes >>Does anyone have a video of HW's ECT performance done probably in > '83/'84? They played The Right Stuff and Angels of Death. It still > makes me chuckle thinking about this because after The Right Stuff, > Dave announced "We like smoking the right stuff you know!" and I > remember watching this program during daylight so it probably went out > at about 5 o'clock in the afternoon - kiddies hour in other words! Gosh, I'm sure he meant, like, kippers or something. This performance was audio bootlegged onto the _Orgasmatron_ CD boot, BTW, complete with final quote :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 16:33:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:33:47 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: On fre 20 jun 1997 16.20 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > What's "Rocky Paths" about? Huw trying to write metaphysical lyrics :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 16:49:38 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:49:38 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: On fre 20 jun 1997 16.28 "Dave Berry" wrote: > I like the lyrics to Sputnik Stan! I think they're funny. Ditto! Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 12:30:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:30:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: <33AA997F.A8A1591B@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <33AA997F.A8A1591B at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >Safe Zone was not done by Hawkwind, as the album contains other artists >as well. I'm not sure who it was though, as I only have the CD, and it >doesn't say? God Halibut. feat. Jerry -- Jon Browne From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 12:12:19 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:12:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <01BC7D95.EA2DCB00@host5-99-46-114.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC7D95.EA2DCB00 at host5-99-46-114.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >Is this not the old chestnut about the two versions of Nuclear Toy - the >one on Weird 101 If it is then I goofed! I don't have all the weird tapes. >Isn't "Zarozinia" "Golden Void" slowed down? God, if you slowed down Golden Void, it would stop! >"Flesh fondue, main course stew", that's the "good" lyric, isn't it? :) I always thought that was "Fresh from tour, main course stew" and the words were in some way related to eating members of a shagged out touring unit. >What's "Rocky Paths" about? Well, given the release date of the album, it coincided with the boiled egg famine which hit Madagascar resulting in a massive decline in the local parrot population as people deperately bartered off anything they could lay their hands on. One of these parrots found its way into Huw and Marion's hands, told them its sad story and Huw wrote a song about it. Most of the lyrics are actually a direct transcription of what the parrot said except Huw didn't get the nuance of the Madagascan dialect correct in his translation. (Sorry Huw, its actually a great song!). From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Jun 20 13:08:50 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 03:08:50 +1000 Subject: Off:Prepare your spirit.. Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > It's Winter Solstice time down under ... last few nights have been pea-souper > fogs - and tonight has an extremely bright full moon. All we need is some > rocks and we too can pretend we are on the Salisbury plain .... I concur. In Brisbane it's drizzling and bloody cold. Perhaps if I go sit out in my back yard, playing some extended HW jam from the house, and smoke a funny cigarette perhaps I'll actually -be- at stonehenge. Or perhaps I should just stay here in front of the computer, next to the heater... - Max Wilcox From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 12:50:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:50:54 +0100 Subject: Off:Prepare your spirit.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Sonique writes >It's Winter Solstice time down under ... last few nights have been pea-souper >fogs - and tonight has an extremely bright full moon. All we need is some >rocks and we too can pretend we are on the Salisbury plain .... > Whatever happened to the Foamhenge idea of Salisbury Council? They were going to build a Polystyrene Henge about 3 miles from the stones and have a little bunker you could look at the original from, with binoculars! Foam-henge decoded! -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 18:38:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:38:52 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:17:33 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > On 20 Jun 97 at 22:53, William Duffy wrote: > > > > > Strictly speaking, wasn't it the Agents of Chaos, and not Hawkwind > > > (if it > > > > is from the same tape I have)? > > > > > > Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by > > > whom though. > > > > > Safe Zone was not done by Hawkwind, as the album contains other artists > > as well. I'm not sure who it was though, as I only have the CD, and it > > doesn't say? > > I've seen it on one of the web pages though. > > Safe Zone was Tubilah Dog, so there's a link there, but that's about it Ah yes, I believe it was the Hawkdog gig that played this. Who was it from TD that was playing with the hawks? FoFP From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 11:28:48 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:28:48 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? In-Reply-To: <33AA9B0D.911B7C57@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <33AA9B0D.911B7C57 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes > >I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? > Is this the re-release of Strange Trips or another new one? Sorry, can't surf at present to check the site. If its Strange Trips, I have the digipack version and can tell you about it if you want... From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jun 20 13:42:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:42:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: >---------- >> From: Tony A. 97-06-15 04:51:36 EDT, you write: >> >> ><< t's tough to be a young Hawkfan in the US, ain't it? You kinda feel >like >> > you're alone and cold on the edge of time... >> >> And we're tired... we're so tired... >> >> > I . Y'see that? >> >> "There's only place to find Space Rock in the Western Hemisphere. >> >> Actually, a good friend of mine told me of a trip he took to some huge >record >> store near Berkley (sp?). He checked out the huge Hawkwind CD selection >> there and saw that someone had written on the Hawkwind CD divider >something Someone gave me a name and an address in Dallas that is supposedly a good source for spacerock, since I'm going to be there for a seminar anyways I'm going to try to track it down... anyone familiar with a Mike Coleman in Dallas? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 18:48:39 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:48:39 BST Subject: HW: Ron's robot Message-ID: At last I've thought of a venue for Ron Tree's robot..... It seems that our beloved new Govt has decided to spend large amounts of the public purse building a massive dome in Greenwich to house an exhibition in celebration of the millenium. I'm sure it will be a perfectly splendid piece of architecture but the only problem is that no-one has yet decided what exactly is going to be exhibited inside. I guess we could offer them their first exhibit! jill Happy Solstice Greetings to all ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jun 20 13:51:53 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:51:53 +0800 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > In article <33AA9B0D.911B7C57 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy > writes > > > >I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? > > > > Is this the re-release of Strange Trips or another new one? Sorry, > can't > surf at present to check the site. If its Strange Trips, I have the > digipack version and can tell you about it if you want... There's another one called 7696. It's a collection of solo recordings William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 12:44:50 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:44:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Carl Edlund Anderson writes >> What's "Rocky Paths" about? > > Huw trying to write metaphysical lyrics :) > >Cheers, >Carl It's a tribute to Roky Eriksen. Winding down after the turbulant '60's. Probably. -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 20 19:08:24 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:08:24 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Someone gave me a name and an address in Dallas that is supposedly a > good source for spacerock, since I'm going to be there for a seminar > anyways I'm going to try to track it down... anyone familiar with a > Mike Coleman in Dallas? one of the best and most reliable of mail order contacts in the States, from what I've heard. If you can make contact with him you may never need worry about finding another source again! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 20 09:41:37 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:41:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists In-Reply-To: <9706201233.aa14589@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706201233.aa14589 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Yup. They also did "Safe Zone" as on the TaT album. Can't remember by >whom though. >FoFP Which I bought for 8 quid not *five minutes* ago......! -- Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 14:49:42 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:49:42 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- > >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. > > Most of the locations in the Hawkmoon stories are real, e.g. Kamarg = the > Camargue in the south of France, Kanbery = Canterbury. I've seen a map, > can't remember where, maybe in one of the new Millennium omnibuses?, which > makes it all totally explicit even if European geography is unfamiliar, but > anyway, it was deliberate making the British the villains, just to give it > a twist for his (at the time) mostly British readership. ('Course, that > was before every Hollywood film made the British the bad guys :) thats what i meant.. i was aware of the similarities... dorian being from Koln and all that, plus the pirates in america. the joke i meant was, as you stated, making the brits the badguys. > There are some typical MM jokes too, the one I recall is "Aral Vilsn", some > sort of legendary hero, which is of course Harold Wilson, then prime > minister. > > >agreed. maybe mm made this deliberately confusing? > > I'd be more inclined to guess he was making it up as he went along, and > only tried to impose that sort of structure later on? > that is of course, extremely possible. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 14:52:39 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:52:39 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: Corum had that glove and eye combo working for him. i dont think that counts. they were actually body parts, stolen from living godz. rinn, and kwll. if you remember, rinn was the giant with the net, wading in the ocean, looking for his eye. and i believe corum was relieved of their possession by kwll? rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 14:54:47 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:54:47 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: I suppose all black artifacts look the same to you? thank you for the () Yeah, I suppose the jewel is the closest thing, since it had an almost-life of its own and it could destroy Dorian's life force... yeah >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. Anyone else think MM's eight-pointed chaos symbol was based on the british flag? wow, nice observation. that never occurred to me... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 14:55:25 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:55:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > My memory gives me the chant as reading "Should do that, shouldn't do > that, should do that, shouldn't do that" as a kind of double authority > command - not only telling you what not to do but what you have to do > as well. But maybe that's just my paranoia re-inventing Hawkwind > lyrics as well as everything else! > this echoes my take on it.. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jun 20 15:11:40 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:11:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Ron's robot In-Reply-To: <9706201848.aa28801@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > At last I've thought of a venue for Ron Tree's robot..... > > It seems that our beloved new Govt has decided to spend large amounts > of the public purse building a massive dome in Greenwich to house an > exhibition in celebration of the millenium. Hasn't this been planned for a long while? Certainly, I read about it in the Electronic Telegraph ages ago. (Unless this is some new massive millenium dome.) Ron's robot sounds like the perfect exhibit, though. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Phish, _A Live One_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Fri Jun 20 16:52:20 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:52:20 -0400 Subject: cotbs In-Reply-To: <19970620185359771.AAA125@vucqpqlj> from "Ron Jennings" at Jun 20, 97 02:52:39 pm Message-ID: > > Corum had that glove and eye combo working for him. > > i dont think that counts. they were actually body parts, stolen from living > godz. rinn, and kwll. if you remember, rinn was the giant with the net, > wading in the ocean, looking for his eye. and i believe corum was relieved > of their possession by kwll? > rj > if memory serves kwyll takes his hand back in exchange for helping corum with the chaos gods (he than kills both the chaos and law gods...violent bugger)... i think he releives corum of rhynn's eye at the same time and later it is thrown in the ocean for the "wading god" to find... --dave From HawkLord at AOL.COM Fri Jun 20 18:58:36 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:58:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-20 01:08:43 EDT, you write: << Tony wrote some really funny stuff: >Libidu sooo psychedelic libidi... and so on When did you hear/read Lemmy say this? go'natt igen -Daniel >> I took it all word-for-word from an interview with Lemmy on a heavy metal video magazine called "Hard and Heavy." It was a video series that came out in the late eighties. Every tape was full of interviews and uncensored videos and concert footage and weird stuff like that. One of the features was called "Trick or Treat." Some performer (Lemmy in this case) is handed a bag of stuff. The performer pulls things out of the bag and talks about them. In this interview, Lemmy also pulled out a clap-board from the movie "Eat the Rich," a model airplane (a German Messerschmidt (sp?)), and some edible condoms, along with a lot of alcohol. It was actually a decent idea for a way to do an interview, as long as you were interviewing someone who could think on their feet like Lemmy. Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Fri Jun 20 19:00:22 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:00:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans, Nik Turner & friends - Live Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-20 05:39:37 EDT, you write: << OzHawks wrote: > I just received a copy of this CD in the mail from someone in Denmark, with > absolutely no indication where who has come from or why! >> Did Santa Claus come by early this year? Tony From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Fri Jun 20 20:05:19 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:05:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: HAWKMOON/U2 Message-ID: Hello all, I recently noticed a song titled Hawkmoon 269 on U2's release Rattle & Hum. THere is no reference to Moorcock or the character in the credits or the lyrics. Anyone know how this title was selected for this song, and is there a connection? Thanks, Duane From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 20:54:39 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:54:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > > and that track on Sonic Attack which starts abbuu-dabbuu abbuu- > > dabbuu. Its the one with the "The're trying to rob you of your right to > > communicate". > > I dunno, I think that's quite a clever track. im with mike. i think this is brilliant! > > To balance all that, some great lyrics: > > > > Steppenwolf > > Quark, Strangeness and Charm > > Spirit of the Age > > > > or to simplify it, anything Bob wrote I suppose! > i love calvert's stuff, make no mistake. but >i< think he has written >some< material which can be called >swill<. further, i'll bet he had a similar opinion of >that< material. i don't want to mention any specifics, because i dont want to trash anyone's faves. it is only my opinion of a very minute portion of his material. rj From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Jun 20 21:44:26 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:44:26 +1000 Subject: cotbs (How about OFF) Message-ID: At 02:49 PM 20/06/97 -0400, Ron Jennings wrote: How qbout changing the header of this thread to OFF: Black sword or whatever. I am getting sick of thinking this has something to do with the album by HW. T >> >it was more like granbreton, tho that still may not be right. but- >> >gran=great, breton=britain. guess that was mm's lil joke. >> >> Most of the locations in the Hawkmoon stories are real, e.g. Kamarg = the >> Camargue in the south of France, Kanbery = Canterbury. I've seen a map, >> can't remember where, maybe in one of the new Millennium omnibuses?, >which >> makes it all totally explicit even if European geography is unfamiliar, >but >> anyway, it was deliberate making the British the villains, just to give >it >> a twist for his (at the time) mostly British readership. ('Course, that >> was before every Hollywood film made the British the bad guys :) > >thats what i meant.. i was aware of the similarities... dorian being from >Koln and all that, plus the pirates in america. the joke i meant was, as >you stated, making the brits the badguys. > >> There are some typical MM jokes too, the one I recall is "Aral Vilsn", >some >> sort of legendary hero, which is of course Harold Wilson, then prime >> minister. >> >> >agreed. maybe mm made this deliberately confusing? >> >> I'd be more inclined to guess he was making it up as he went along, and >> only tried to impose that sort of structure later on? >> > >that is of course, extremely possible. >rj > =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jun 20 21:13:40 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:13:40 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: > if memory serves kwyll takes his hand back in exchange > for helping corum with the chaos gods (he than kills > both the chaos and law gods...violent bugger)... > i think he releives corum of rhynn's eye at the > same time and later it is thrown in the ocean for > the "wading god" to find... > > --dave yes, that is exactly what happened. i have it from an 'eyewitness,' 'firsthand.' rj From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat Jun 21 02:12:02 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:12:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 02:49:18 -0400 "Tony A. Rowe" wrote: >In a message dated 97-06-19 21:07:57 EDT, you write: > ><< You mean, "Do That" doesn't win? > > "Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do that! Do > that!" ....and so on..... >> > >Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... > >Shouldn't > Do that! >Shouldn't > Do that! [[etc.]] Actually, I was referring to "Do That", the severely chopped _Business_Trip_ version of "You Shouldn't Do That", which you cite above. Though I must say, of the lyrics that are in the original ISOS version, they're alright. Damon P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in the middle of "Brainstorm"? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sat Jun 21 09:16:17 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:16:17 +0200 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: >i love calvert's stuff, make no mistake. but >i< think he has written >>some< material >which can be called >swill<. further, i'll bet he had a similar opinion of >>that< material. > >i don't want to mention any specifics, because i dont want to trash >anyone's faves. >it is only my opinion of a very minute portion of his material. >rj No Ron, don't hesitate to share your thoughts with us. I really would like to hear which Calvert songs you don't like... and it's even more interesting to hear _why_... I don't care if it happens to be some of my favourites, but that's me and I'm used to the fact that "nobody" likes the same music as I do... :-) mvh -Daniel ps bakfull idag tralala...plus att det k?nns i magen som om jag har legat och gjort sit-ups hela natten ds "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jun 21 07:41:57 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:41:57 +1000 Subject: OFF: Mazlyn Jones, Guy Evans, Nik Turner & friends - Live In-Reply-To: <970620190020_-227201234@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On 20 Jun 97 at 19:00, Tony A. Rowe wrote: > In a message dated 97-06-20 05:39:37 EDT, you write: > > << OzHawks wrote: > > I just received a copy of this CD in the mail from someone in Denmark, > with > > absolutely no indication where who has come from or why! > >> > > Did Santa Claus come by early this year? Apparently! It's quiet good too for "Canterbury" style. Nik only appears on three tracks (from the Forest Fayre 92 in Wales) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jun 21 07:44:11 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:44:11 +1000 Subject: Off:Prepare your spirit.. In-Reply-To: <33AAB922.29623FF9@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 21 Jun 97 at 3:08, Max Wilcox wrote: > Sonique wrote: > > It's Winter Solstice time down under ... last few nights have been pea-souper > > fogs - and tonight has an extremely bright full moon. All we need is some > > rocks and we too can pretend we are on the Salisbury plain .... > > I concur. In Brisbane it's drizzling and bloody cold. It's a nice change seeing a Queenslander whinge about weather (other than ours that is!) ;^) I bet it didn't get below 0 on Thursday night like it did down here! I bloody felt like I did last Feb in blighty! Brrrr .... > Perhaps if I go > sit out in my back yard, playing some extended HW jam from the house, > and smoke a funny cigarette perhaps I'll actually -be- at stonehenge. Worth a try - how'd it go? > Or perhaps I should just stay here in front of the computer, next to > the heater... Woos! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jun 21 15:44:02 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:44:02 BST Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's message of Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:12:02 -0500 Message-ID: DAMON CAPEHART writes: > P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in > the middle of "Brainstorm"? well some of it is: "she said, she said, she said" I guess some authority figures can be women...... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jun 21 15:48:13 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:48:13 BST Subject: HW: HW in July??? Message-ID: I've just heard that Hawkwind might be playing with HLL in either Liverpool or Birmingham (maybe both?) next month or sometime soon. It could be that this person is confusing the autumn tour with this report but is there anyone in those areas who could check around some of the more likely venues to confirm this? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jun 21 10:56:21 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:56:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <9706211544.aa06022@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > > P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in > > the middle of "Brainstorm"? > > well some of it is: "she said, she said, she said" I also hear "what's {he,she} saying?" repeated, which would be appropriate in many ways. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Dust_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From HawkLord at AOL.COM Sat Jun 21 12:25:22 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:25:22 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-20 22:40:09 EDT, you write: << Ron Jennings wrote: > > > Also, the Sword of the Dawn is not a manifestation of the Chaos Sword. > > unless i missed it, no one said it was. No-one said it was, I just found that is a common mistake. Many people think "He's and Eternal Champion, and he's got a sword... must be the Black Sword!" > > I can't remember how the Chaos Sword fits into the Hawkmoon novels. > > i believe it was "the jewel" in dorians skull. >> Hell, maybe it was his flamelance. Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Sat Jun 21 12:27:23 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:27:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Levitation - couple of questions Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-20 22:40:10 EDT, you write: << In my copy of Levitation - the double set with Hawkwind Live, there is a small bit of writing for each album. It says, and I quote:- "Levitation, one of the first rock albums to be recorded using digital technology, was cut in London's Roundhouse Studios in mid 1980..." So there you have it. - Max Wilcox >> I think I know what happened... this was probably written on the cardboard box that Levitation came in when I bought it. Then, of course, I promptly threw it away. I think that this case is closed. Tony From HawkLord at AOL.COM Sat Jun 21 12:31:51 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:31:51 -0400 Subject: cotbs Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-20 23:22:42 EDT, you write: << Anyway, the Captain says to "Stormbringer" (for want of a better name), "You can only inhabit (or be inhabited by) one of the two manifestations, the sword or the jewel" >> And Stormbringer replies: "But sir, what if I were to inhabit a needle gun? Wouldn't that just be smashing? It's gonna make you run... I'll go inhabit a needle needle needle needle needle gun. Maybe and evil needle needle needle gun. "Perhaps even a needle needle Spam eggs needle spam bacon needle spam and spam gun." Oops... sorry... that was silly. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Jun 21 13:35:31 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:35:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in > the middle of "Brainstorm"? CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! just kidding.... rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Jun 21 13:43:09 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:43:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: No Ron, don't hesitate to share your thoughts with us. I really would like to hear which Calvert songs you don't like... and it's even more interesting to hear _why_... I don't care if it happens to be some of my favourites, but that's me and I'm used to the fact that "nobody" likes the same music as I do... :-) mvh -Daniel well, i never said i didn't like it, i said it was swill. i happen to like swill. anyway, i think the tunes i was referring to were improvised, and so probably it shouldnt reflect on the rest of his stuff. the tunes are like i said before, improvised versions of songs which are good, but perhaps at the time of improvising, bob had maybe had too much of something, and wasnt as quick on his feet as he usually would be. some of it is just reptition of a pointless phrase, or some poetry that sounds very unrealistic, and comic-bookish. i cant remember, really, what i was referring to, for that i apologize. i shouldnt have said it. i think the tunes in question are on tapes and bootlegs, and never really released. so i guess they are like the equivalent of what might be found wadded up in a novelists trashbin.. one tune that i dont care for is 'over the top' which i think is on one of the weird tapes. again, sorry for making the statement, then failing to back it up. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Jun 21 13:47:04 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:47:04 -0400 Subject: OFF:cotbs Message-ID: > > i believe it was "the jewel" in dorians skull. > >> > > Hell, maybe it was his flamelance. no, because it was a standard weapon in the count brass series. i forgot who, but someone posted the justification for the jewel being the entity. it was sentient, and threatened hawkmoon's life force. BTW- i also am interested in knowing what the lyrics are for U2's hawkmoon song. i cant stand U2, so have never heard it. rj > Tony From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sat Jun 21 16:41:17 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:41:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > > P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in > > the middle of "Brainstorm"? > > well some of it is: "she said, she said, she said" > > I guess some authority figures can be women...... 8-) > this is entirely a joke, and does not reflect the views of the poster: "if a man speaks in the forest, and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?" what do you call a psychic dwarf on the run from the law? a small medium at large. rj From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Jun 21 17:50:20 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 22:50:20 +0100 Subject: HW: HW in July??? In-Reply-To: <9706211548.aa08191@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: JILL wrote: >I've just heard that Hawkwind might be playing with HLL in either >Liverpool or Birmingham (maybe both?) next month or sometime soon. It >could be that this person is confusing the autumn tour with this report >but is there anyone in those areas who could check around some of the >more likely venues to confirm this? Knowing my luck so far, if it's true it'll be while my other half's Belgian friend is here and I'll be on kid-patrol again!!! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 22 06:53:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:53:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <19970621173609815.AAA210@vucqpqlj> Message-ID: In article <19970621173609815.AAA210 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings writes >> P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in >> the middle of "Brainstorm"? > >CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! > >just kidding.... >rj I thought.... "This it it, this is it" and at times I heard "She's there, she's there" but upon further listening i have to concur the lyrics *are* in fact Cheese-head, Cheese-head. thanx rj -- Jon Browne From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Sun Jun 22 08:06:13 1997 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:06:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mazly Jones, Evans, Turner Message-ID: >Paul wrote: >> I just received a copy of this CD in the mail from someone in Denmark, with >> absolutely no indication where who has come from or why! >>Does anyone know anything about it??? I don't know who sent you the CD, Paul, but I do know that Nigel Mazlyn Jones "big" album was released in 1976 and that said Nigel and Guy Evans opened for Klaus Schulze in Derby, England about a year ago - if Turner played there also, well that's certainly possible, but I hadn't heard that before...what's it like? Steven Defoe mondello1 at aol.com http://members.aol.com/mondello1/larry.html From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 22 07:00:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:00:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <19970621174348464.AAA91@vucqpqlj> Message-ID: In article <19970621174348464.AAA91 at vucqpqlj>, Ron Jennings writes >reptition of a pointless phrase, or some poetry that sounds very >unrealistic, and comic-bookish. Oy! Foul! Negative reinforcement of cultural stereotype. Comicbooks, being the marriage of art and literature are not intrinsically juvenile or sub-literate. I'm sure I don't really need to point this out to such an enlightened audience, but ya know, it's a kneejerk thing with me after 10 years. Some comics are crap, some records are crap, some TV is crap, some movies are crap. Comics are no more inherantly crap than any other artistic medium. rant mode off! -- Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 22 10:36:05 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:36:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: actually, the first time i _noticed_ it was on live chronicles. and since it appeared in the part where zarozinia was turned to a worm, and ended up spitted on stormbringer's blade (this was never illustrated on the album), i kinda thot they were saying: 'she's dead.' but as someone else said, for brainstorm- 'wha'd she say, wha'd she say?/she said, she said...' works for me. maybe i illustrates delerium, ala 'the lake of voices?' rj > >> P.S.: What - if anything - are HW saying during the chant section in > >> the middle of "Brainstorm"? > > > >CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! CHEESE-HEAD! > > > >just kidding.... > >rj > > > I thought.... > > "This it it, this is it" and at times I heard > "She's there, she's there" but upon further listening i have to concur > the lyrics *are* in fact Cheese-head, Cheese-head. thanx rj > -- > Jon Browne From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 22 10:45:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:45:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > >reptition of a pointless phrase, or some poetry that sounds very > >unrealistic, and comic-bookish. > > Oy! Foul! Negative reinforcement of cultural stereotype. > > Comicbooks, being the marriage of art and literature are not > intrinsically juvenile or sub-literate. I'm sure I don't really need to > point this out to such an enlightened audience, but ya know, it's a > kneejerk thing with me after 10 years. Some comics are crap, some > records are crap, some TV is crap, some movies are crap. Comics are no > more inherantly crap than any other artistic medium. > > rant mode off! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! i did not slag comics. i have owned (all at one time) THOUSANDS of comics. I STILL own a couple of boxes full, and regret letting the others go. but one often common characteristic of comics is that they tend to use abstract terms to over dramatize whatever they depict. comics are great, tho as you say, some suck. what i meant tho, was that some phrases i've heard used, sound like they were lifted straight from the pages. it was the lyrics that seemed stereo-typical. apologies (as seems to be my calling, lately) for the negative reinforcement. it was not intended. counter-rant complete.... ;) i will speak no more on this, unless someone wishes to go private. i am tired of having to run for my toothbrush everytime i stick my foot in my mouth! ;) rj From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 22 10:40:03 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:40:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift In-Reply-To: <9706201230.aa14323@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >> >> As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the EBS >>releases >> for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but are >> the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? >> Just wanted to know... > >Got Red shift. I like it more than I usually do Bainbridge's stuff. Some >of it reminds me of Wavestar and early Tangerine Dream. Red Shift gets a seriously good write up in the new CDS catalogue of Electronic Music About a page of the stuff - "this is one of the most sensational synth albums I have heard in years " trouble is when I tried to buy it last week it turns out it was a limited edition of 500 not on EBS and is sold out - I was told there may be plans to re-release it on EBS though. No sign of Love in Space yet. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jun 22 12:31:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 00:31:47 +0800 Subject: Silver Machine MIDI file? Message-ID: Hi there I seem to remember someone was working on a Silver Machine MIDI file. Anyone know anything about it? Where can it (or any other HW MIDI files) be found????? William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jun 22 12:29:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:29:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift Message-ID: Why, oh, why did HB decide to name his release the very same thing that Mark Shreeve named his latest? Is this gonna create confusion? You bet it will. Just reading the missive below leads me to believe that confusion is going to be the order of the day (Shreeves' latest, which hearkens back to the analog-synth glories of TD's Rubycon, also has received rave reviews as being a masterpiece, etc. etc. The letter below makes me wonder if the review could be for his. Not to cast any doubts on David, but when you hear of two releases, with the same name and both getting excellent reviews, you gotta wonder). Has anyone seen the cover of HB's Redshift? Is his name prominently displayed? The Shreeve release just has an abstract orb on the front with the word Redshift at the bottom, with his name only appearing on the back/inside cover; very stealthy... Maybe BOC outta change the name of Ezkials Wheel (the ever-pending new release) to Red Shift 'cuz that will insure that it'll go platinum... :-/ obCDPlayer: Al Stewart: Russians And Americans Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: David Jones[SMTP:david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 1997 10:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Harvey Red Shift >> >> As you may be able to tell, my question is this - "are the EBS >>releases >> for this and last month out yet?" I take it red Shift is out, but are >> the others? ICU? Spiral Realms? Does anyone have these? >> Just wanted to know... > >Got Red shift. I like it more than I usually do Bainbridge's stuff. Some >of it reminds me of Wavestar and early Tangerine Dream. Red Shift gets a seriously good write up in the new CDS catalogue of Electronic Music About a page of the stuff - "this is one of the most sensational synth albums I have heard in years " trouble is when I tried to buy it last week it turns out it was a limited edition of 500 not on EBS and is sold out - I was told there may be plans to re-release it on EBS though. No sign of Love in Space yet. From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 22 14:08:32 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:08:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift Message-ID: > No sign of Love in Space yet. maybe yer "lookin' for love in all the wrong spaces?" rj From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 22 14:25:02 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:25:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift In-Reply-To: <01BC7F07.EA36F4A0@dynamic-5.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: >Why, oh, why did HB decide to name his release the very same thing that >Mark Shreeve named his latest? Is this gonna create confusion? You bet it >will. Just reading the missive below leads me to believe that confusion is >going to be the order of the day (Shreeves' latest, which hearkens back to >the analog-synth glories of TD's Rubycon, also has received rave reviews as >being a masterpiece, etc. etc. The letter below makes me wonder if the review >could be for his. Not to cast any doubts on David, but when you hear of two >releases, with the same name and both getting excellent reviews, you gotta >wonder). Mark Shreeves CD is listed in the same catalogue - but not reviewed. The Harvey review starts off with ; "For synth fans, forget the fact that this guy used to play for Hawkwind ! Read on and find out that this is one of the most sensational synth albums I have heard in years!!!" There is lots more - I will post it all if you want. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Jun 22 16:45:28 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:45:28 -0700 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: ---------- > From: MStrangeness and Charm > > Spirit of the Age > > > > or to simplify it, anything Bob wrote I suppose! > > Hmmmm, I think there are non-Bob tracks like Heads which have > interesting lyrics. > > FoFP Hmmm...I dunno about Heads..."the limits of the infinite have never been defined"?? Or was that just Brock playing around... Nothing against Brock, he's a musical genius, and in the most subtle way, but when it comes to words, he loses out... Charlie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 22 22:13:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:13:05 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: I dunno, I like a lot of Brock's lyrics. "Heads" is a good example. Never thought to compare them with Calvert's. Calvert was a word worker. I mean, I _expect_ good lyrics from Calvert. Though actually, I'm not really a lyrics person. I'm willing to put up with silly lyrics if the music is good. I consider good lyrics a bonus. Cheers, Carl From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Sun Jun 22 17:59:12 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:59:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > > Hmmm...I dunno about Heads..."the limits of the infinite have never been > defined"?? Or was that just Brock playing around... > Nothing against Brock, he's a musical genius, and in the most subtle way, > but when it comes to words, he loses out... > > Charlie uh, not possilutely sure, but i dont think brock wrote the lyrics for heads. the music, certainly, but i remember reading somewhere about this guy neil who was shacked up somewhere and got the idea for the lyrics from something that was going on around him (headlines or something about cryogen.) rj From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Mon Jun 23 00:21:41 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:21:41 -0500 Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 23:00:29 +0800 William Duffy wrote: >Sonique wrote: >> There are plans for re-releases of some earlier CD's as well - no word >> on the actual PXR-5 release date yet ... > >I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? Probably covers of PXR-5 songs. :-P Damon From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Mon Jun 23 00:25:27 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 00:25:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Anyone get it? Message-ID: Hi, I recently posted something on the Black Sword topic, but I never got the message back. Can someone tell me if they got it? If I did it wrong, I'd like to repost it. Thanks! Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorow brings. Well, it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your minds eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. Hurry On Sundown, by Hawkwind From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 23 02:11:49 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 07:11:49 +0100 Subject: Off: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth Message-ID: Way, way back, on Wed, 7 May Dane Carlson had the following as his sig: >> NP: It Will All Work Out in Boomland - T2 I was amazed. This makes 3 copies of this album that I know to exist in the wild *g*. This has got to be a candidate for the worst and most amateurish sleeve design ever released, definitely not doing justice to the glorious music inside. T2 were the first band I ever saw (Burton Upon Trent Technical College S.U.) back in Autumn 1970, aged 14. I was stunned by the volume, the crowd... everything. My crowd had all seen them on "Disco 2" (predecessor to "The Old Grey Whistle Test") and couldn't believe our luck at them coming to play in Burton. (pop. 50,000 & half a dozen breweries). The following weekend one of the guys ordered the album from the local branch of Boots. I never saw the album in a shop myself, and never owned it until I stumbled across a fairly scabby second-hand copy in the local comic shop some time in the mid to late '80s. Needless to say I bought it (a quid, I think) and it was as good as I remembered. Does anyone else on the list remember them (or even own the album)? Does anyone know what happened to them? Keith Cross (gtr) left because he was pissed off with being tagged as the next big guitar hero ( the whole "new Clapton" schtick was getting thrown at any talented young guitar player back then), recorded an album of softer rock with a guy called Peter Ross (Bored Civilians?) and eventually disappeared from view. Pete Dunton (dms) & Bernard Jinks (bs) soldiered on for a while with another guitarist (first name Will?) and then faded away too. This also prompted me to thinking about age (aaaagh, gasp, choke). There was some talk about the youngest members of the list a little while back, but what about the other end of the spectrum. I just hit 41, and I figure quite a few of you are in the same territory and I'm curious about the general distribution (both sides of the list). ChrisW "No more white horses for you to ride away, No more white horses, so you must stay Where you are...." - T2 From HawkLord at AOL.COM Mon Jun 23 02:55:21 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:55:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-22 19:16:52 EDT, you write: > Tony A. Rowe writes: > > > > Moorcock indirectly got me into BOC, via Black Blade. I had read the > Elric > > > series and was a big fan. At first I thought BOC just wrote a tune about > > > Elric, then realized MM had actually collaborated with them...then heard > he > > > collaborated w/HW...finally realized he was actually a member with > > > HW...that was the evolution of my realization of MM's involvement w/rock > > > music... Just to set things straight... I never wrote this. This was written by another person on the server. I am yet to get into BOC, but after reading bits about them on the server, I will probably pick up a couple of albums... any suggestions? > Same here. I was a bejant (obUS: freshman) student in 1976 and had to > share a room in halls. I was avidly reading the Corum books at the time... snip snip snip snip snip snip snip 8<----------------------------------------- >The following year I bought > hifi and started collecting records. My uncle had a record shop and > ordered the singles for me so I nabbed everything except Kings of Speed, > Hurry On Sundown, and of course the one I still don't have: "Hassan I > Sabha". Good story, but you don't have Hassan I Sahba? Go get it! That is a Hawkwind song that even my girlfriend enjoys! Tony From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 23 03:40:31 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:40:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: No, Sorry, The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. 'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? M ---------- From: Andrew Gilham[SMTP:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] Sent: 20 June 1997 10:45 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) >Do you mean Shouldn't Do That? It goes.... >Shouldn't > Do that! >Shouldn't > Do that! Actually, "Shouldn't do that" has some great lyrics - "You get nowhere/You get no air/You're getting aware...", etc. And the repetition is the point, anyway, the forces of authority endlessly repeating "you shouldn't do that". If you're looking for poor lyrics, you needn't look further than "Moonglum and Elric chasing Theleb K'aarna/Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana" (although I hasten to add I quite like "Moonglum", which I find paradoxical but there you go :) - Andy ObLP: The Doors - _Absolutely Live_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 10:45:42 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:45:42 BST Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Someone gave me a name and an address in Dallas that is supposedly a > good source for spacerock, since I'm going to be there for a seminar > anyways I'm going to try to track it down... anyone familiar with a > Mike Coleman in Dallas? Yup. I've done some business and had some chats with Mike. He's well worth it even at international rates. Definitelt the Friends of Fernando Poo Seal of Approval :-) Say "Hi" from me. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 10:54:37 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:54:37 BST Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:29:18 -0400 Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > Why, oh, why did HB decide to name his release the very same thing that > Mark Shreeve named his latest? His latest???? I thought Shreeve's Red Shift was already out about 15 years ago? Maybe it's a remaster? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 10:56:32 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:56:32 BST Subject: HW: EBS stuff out yet? In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's message of Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: > >I wonder what will be on Dave's CD??? A full-length version of "Where Are They Now?" with any luck... FoFP From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 06:58:44 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:58:44 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <9706171331.ab12737@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > Interesting - there does seem to be some kind of consensus emerging from > all these posts {worrying!}. It would appear that people's favourite > Hawkwind album tends to be the one that first got them interested in the > band - not necessarily the first one they listened to but the one that > first got them involved in the Hawkwind sound. Everything after that > tends to get rated in relation to that one. Well, I'd agree for definite with the first bit - my first HW was the Elite compilation, `Spirit of the Age', and it's got most of `Levitation' and about a third of `Live '79' on it... and do I regularly stand up for `Levitation' as not being as bad as people often say? I do. I still like the stuff on it too. On the other hand, the _next_ HW that made its way into my tape deck was a tape of `Space Ritual' that Carl made for me (ObPleaOfDefence: I do now own the remaster!), and I think it's still that one rather than `Levitation' I use as the benchmark. But the `Live '79' version of `Brainstorm' and `Levitation' itself sort of introduced me to the whole idea of trance-rock or whatever you want to call that blanga-that-isn't- blanga that inhabits those two albums. Two penn'orth, anyway... if not a bit more, yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 06:58:46 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:58:46 +0100 Subject: Live 1974! Message-ID: Now that the live 74 concert track listing has been announced does any one know if any tracks from the gig have been left off the album? Timmy Langner From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 12:34:39 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:34:39 GMT+0100 Subject: HW: LiS/WWW Message-ID: Bummer, I didn't even discover the special offer on the LiS single until now, well over a month after its final entry date. (Mind you, it hasn't been released yet even so!). Perhaps Star Rats can add on of those "URL minder" things to the web site so that one can be notified of changes by email. Cheers, Carl From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 07:54:55 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:54:55 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 Message-ID: So how many nethawk t-shirts should I be looking out for at glastonbury then ? I'm *sure* I'll bump into you all :-) Tim From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 23 08:30:29 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:30:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift Message-ID: Mike sez... Craig Shipley writes: > Why, oh, why did HB decide to name his release the very same thing that > Mark Shreeve named his latest? His latest???? I thought Shreeve's Red Shift was already out about 15 years ago? Maybe it's a remaster? FoFP Nope, not a remaster. This is a brand-new effort from last year. Shreeve got chummy with the guys from one of the "vintage synth museums" in the UK and made an hour+ CD in the spirit of TD's RUBYCON, but using the recording techniques of 1996. Nice change of pace from his usual rocket-powered material. Four tracks, longest one is 33 minutes (with a real long section featuring just a heartbeat) with lots of Mellotron. If ya want to hear a kick-ass live synth CD, get Shreeves' COLLIDE. Strap in before listening! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 23 08:45:22 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:45:22 +1000 Subject: HW: OZ Tour Delayed :( Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm afraid there's been some (partly) bad news. The tour is not to happen in August, due to time limitiations. It now looks like it will happen after the UK tour - probably in late November. Both the promoter and Hawkwind management still want to go ahead - which is great news. Work on the tour is not going to stop - the promoter is going to finish the costings and finalise the venues still to be sorted out over the next few weeks, and the decision should be made about it all (including final/real dates) within a few weeks. The good aspect of this is that once dates are finalised, things can HAPPEN -which hasn't been the case so far because nothing has been finalised. It also means that the new studio album will be available - which is a BIG plus from the promotion side of things. It also obviously gives us the chance to raise awaremess of HW through radio, Pay TV, magazines etc. prior to tickets going on sale - a luxury we didn't have before. I can't say that I'm not a little dissappointed, but with more time to do real work on the tour, and the fact that it is in a much better part of the year (we may be able to tie it in with outdoor festivals etc. now), it is the wisest decision. I've updated the Web page to reflect this, including a list of cities which had been booked to give you some idea of where it was at. More as it comes to hand. With regards to the "Flying Doctor", the much-delayed next issue won't happen until August - my work committments over the next month are too severe for me to spend time on it (the tour delay is of some relief from that point of view I suppose) That's all for now, Paul -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 07:32:12 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:32:12 +0100 Subject: Live 1974! In-Reply-To: <199706231058.LAA12882@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706231058.LAA12882 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes >Now that the live 74 concert track listing has been announced does any one >know if any tracks from the gig have been left off the album? Where is the track listing announced please? Another question: I notice that a lot of posts have an "ob:" followed by an album name or something or other. Assuming this to be a recommendation of sorts, what is the ob stuff for and what is the etiquette? Mark ob: baked beans and tabasco sauce From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 23 08:50:54 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:50:54 +1000 Subject: OFF: Mazly Jones, Evans, Turner Message-ID: On 22 Jun 97 at 8:06, Steven Defoe wrote: > I don't know who sent you the CD, Paul, but I do know that Nigel Mazlyn > Jones "big" album was released in 1976 and that said Nigel and Guy Evans > opened for Klaus Schulze in Derby, England about a year ago - if Turner > played there also, well that's certainly possible, but I hadn't heard that > before...what's it like? Quite good in fact - it's folky-Canterbury style. The three Nik tracks were recorded at Forest Fayre Wales in 92. The rest was recorded at Keele University in 95 and the "WhirlyGig Parachute Set" also in 95 Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 23 08:42:36 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:42:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: Mike P sez.... No, Sorry, The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. 'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? M This is Tim Blakes' doing, as it is his tune. It first appeared on his NEW JEURSALEM release. Blake is better off writing for and playing synths than he is authoring lyrics and singing, IMHO. But then again, this was the late '70's, Blake WAS in Gong, he was still wearing silver lame' and hippy-dippy lyrics weren't as passe as they are now... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 23 09:03:37 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:03:37 -0400 Subject: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth Message-ID: Chris W sez... This also prompted me to thinking about age (aaaagh, gasp, choke). There was some talk about the youngest members of the list a little while back, but what about the other end of the spectrum. I just hit 41, and I figure quite a few of you are in the same territory and I'm curious about the general distribution (both sides of the list). ChrisW Well, Chris, old man, I'll be the same age as you a week from now. But there are a couple of gents on the list that'll call us "babies", so don't sweat the small stuff, as it is ALL small stuff. I intend to remain about 28 mentally for a long time.... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 23 09:12:02 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:12:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Laptop for sale Message-ID: Sorry for advertising it here, but I'm getting ready to sell my old IBM Thinkpad 350 and I wanted to give you all a chance at it before I try to sell it elsewhere at a higher price. Pretty anemic by todays' machines, but it still gets the job done. 486/25, 8Mb, 258Mb disk, 1 PCMCIA slot (with 14.4 modem), monochrome LCD display, two-button mouse, Windows 95, Procomm for W95, Office Pro all installed (but I keep the source disks, sorry), best offer over $450. You pay postage. Offer applies to the US only. Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 14:24:49 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:24:49 GMT+0100 Subject: Live 1974! Message-ID: On m?n 23 jun 1997 12.32 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: > In article <199706231058.LAA12882 at brookes.ac.uk>, langner timothy > <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > >Now that the live 74 concert track listing has been announced does any > >one know if any tracks from the gig have been left off the album? > > Where is the track listing announced please? www.hawkwind.com Once I know there's official news, I generally look here for details. > Another question: I notice that a lot of posts have an "ob:" followed by > an album name or something or other. Assuming this to be a > recommendation of sorts, what is the ob stuff for and what is the > etiquette? > > ob: baked beans and tabasco sauce You seem to have entered into the spirit of it ;) (Though you might have said "ObFood: baked beans and tabasco sauce") Shouldn't this go in an "About BOC-L FAQ" ?? Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jun 23 09:33:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:33:18 -0400 Subject: obWhatever Message-ID: Mark sez.... Another question: I notice that a lot of posts have an "ob:" followed by an album name or something or other. Assuming this to be a recommendation of sorts, what is the ob stuff for and what is the etiquette? Mark ob: baked beans and tabasco sauce ------------------------------ Oh, bud, I'm glad that you are in the UK and not here. That sounds like a lethal combo!!!! At least it is for me!!! :-) The "obCDPlayer/Cassette Deck/whatever" is a method of us sharing with the world what we are listening to. Sometimes we deviate to throw in something funny (I.E. I normally have music on when on the computer, but after the birth of my daughter, I put in "obBaby Monitor" to brag a little bit) or appropriate to the topic. The meaning is "obligatory" and was meant to make the post appropriate to the mailing list. For example, on my post for selling my old laptop, I should have put in "ObCDPlayer: HW / HotMG (remastered)" and I would, theoretically, been in compliance with the group. obCDPlayer: Off Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 23 09:48:24 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:48:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: Boy, the BOC content on this list has gone way down lately! Apparently the Summerdaze CD, which has the first new BOC studio track in 5 years did little for some of you folks. Or have all the folks who want to talk BOC moved off to other forums? Anybody want to comment on anything? Anybody? . . . BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache again... Also, the Brain Surgeons have a confirmed gig in (I think) Altoona, PA on July 12th, so all you folks who think NY is just a bit too far north for you to drive, maybe this will be do-able. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 15:30:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:30:11 GMT+0100 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: On m?n 23 jun 1997 09.48 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Boy, the BOC content on this list has gone way down lately! Apparently > the Summerdaze CD, which has the first new BOC studio track in 5 years > did little for some of you folks. Well, I haven't _got_ it yet. Hasn't hit the record shops in Cambridge, and probably never will. But I'll keep an eye out once I'm back in Boston. > BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache > again... Good. It looked good on him. Cheers, Carl From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Jun 23 10:31:20 1997 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:31:20 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Moderator on vacation (6/27 - 7/28) Message-ID: Howdy, folks, As per the subject, I'll be going on vacation (or should that be "going on holiday" for those of you across the pond?) starting this Friday for about a month. During this time I will be completely out of email or Internet contact. I've asked the listserver administrator (Terry Kennedy, ) to take care of any admin duties while I'm away. If anything happens that requires an admin to take care of it (from serious list failure to obnoxious subscriber :-), please contact Terry and let him know what's going on. He will _not_ (to the best of my knowledge) be monitoring the list traffic directly, so he probably _won't_ know if anything goes berzerk. When I get back and wade through a month's worth of email, I'll let the list know that I'm back and alive again. :-) YnSSHM, Ben From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 23 10:49:23 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:49:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: My goodness, you don't think he was......................on drugs.....................................do you???!!!! Mike P Mike P sez.... No, Sorry, The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. 'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? M This is Tim Blakes' doing, as it is his tune. It first appeared on his NEW JEURSALEM release. Blake is better off writing for and playing synths than he is authoring lyrics and singing, IMHO. But then again, this was the late '70's, Blake WAS in Gong, he was still wearing silver lame' and hippy-dippy lyrics weren't as passe as they are now... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jun 23 09:11:52 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:11:52 +0800 Subject: Underground Zero, Lloyd-Langdon Group CD's? Message-ID: Hi all Anyone came across CD's by any of them? I know there are ones apparantly released, but I don't know where to find them. Any shops on the net selling them? Also, does anyone know what is on the Underground Zero CD (I think it's called "From Year Zero")? I am particularly curious if the various "Friends & Relations" material is on it. Bye for now William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jun 23 09:31:51 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:31:51 +0800 Subject: Rare videos... do these even exist? Message-ID: Hi all Anyone got a copy of Hawklords doing "Automaton" & "25 Years On"? I only ever saw this clip once, before I had a video. I also recall a film clip of "Bitter & Twisted" from Steve Swindells. The clip also features Huw, Simon, etc.. Bye William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jun 23 09:45:01 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:45:01 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > Frank & Carl say: > > On tor 19 jun 1997 12.41 "Frank Weil" wrote: > > > Bring it on Home, Willie Dixon, Hawkwind LP > > > > This was not on the _Hawkwind_ LP (or subsequent re-releases of > same) > > to my knowledge. > > > > I think originally it was a Brock/Dharma Blues Band track which > later > > saw a release under the Hawkwind name--but I could be wrong about > that. > > > > Check the Codex! > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > > Well what goes around comes around.... > > I remember once coming up with the astonishing revelation that the > version of "Bring It On Home" which appears on > the Hawkwind Anthology is different than the version (credited to > the Dharma Blues Band) which appears on the "White Boy Blues" > anthology > - Volume 2 I think > > Of course everyone ignored me in the hope that I might just go > away....... > > so either there are 2 version by the Dharma Blues band (probably), > or just maybe one is some lineup that might have been Hawkwind > (doubtful). > According to HawkFan no. 10 There was a John Peel recording session early 1969, which included "Bring it on Home" (that session would make for a great release!!!). The original version was apparantly recorded at the Royal Albert Hall in 1968, and released on "The Buskers", which was the recording of that event. Hope that little bit of info is useful. Bye William From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 23 12:37:49 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:37:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: >Boy, the BOC content on this list has gone way down lately! Apparently >the Summerdaze CD, which has the first new BOC studio track in 5 years >did little for some of you folks. Or have all the folks who want to >talk BOC moved off to other forums? Anybody want to comment on anything? >Anybody? . . . Anyone have the PUD lyrics yet? >BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache >again... Now that's real BOC news. I take it the FAQ will have a moustache update? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 11:18:53 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:18:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Finding venues and dates Message-ID: Is there a web based resource which lists venues, dates and song lists for HW gigs? I am after the venue for the Amsterdam gig on 11/3/77 and I have another tape just titled "Live in New York 1978" which I need exact date, venue and if possible song lists for. This tape has an absolutely killer version of Steppenwolf but the tape runs out half way through it. Does anyone know of this gig and have a fuller recording of it? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 23 12:59:45 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:59:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: >Anyone have the PUD lyrics yet? I think they might be in the back of JS's _The Exploded Heart_ collection... there are lyrics for several songs in there, and I think it was one of them. 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Thanks! From stretch at GOT.NET Mon Jun 23 13:40:30 1997 From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:40:30 -0700 Subject: HW:Re spacey jam Message-ID: langner timothy <96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK> writes > Any one else here done a spacy jam to tape? Back around 1989 or so during one of Hawkwind's USA tours I formed a band, called ourselves "Galactic Zoo", and opened for Hawkwind. In addition to 'Steppenwolf' we did 3 original spacey-jam tunes (very much Pink Floyd-ish style rip-offs) and they were about 6-10 minutes each. I have a soundboard analog cassette recording. Jeff Riedle From mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET Mon Jun 23 14:28:44 1997 From: mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET (Michael Galvin) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:28:44 -0700 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) In-Reply-To: <199706231348.JAA19794@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Also, the Brain Surgeons have a confirmed gig in (I think) Altoona, PA > on July 12th, so all you folks who think NY is just a bit too far north > for you to drive, maybe this will be do-able. > > John Does anyone know the status of the shows in Seattle and Portland? Skip From manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 13:28:33 1997 From: manubrium at MANUBRIUM.DEMON.CO.UK (Buckley) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:28:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Finding venues and dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mark Edmonds writes >Is there a web based resource which lists venues, dates and song lists >for HW gigs? > >I am after the venue for the Amsterdam gig on 11/3/77 and I have another >tape just titled "Live in New York 1978" which I need exact date, venue >and if possible song lists for. This tape has an absolutely killer >version of Steppenwolf but the tape runs out half way through it. Does >anyone know of this gig and have a fuller recording of it? the live in new york tape is from the bottom line club,i don,t have a date for it but i did come across a web site with every date and venue played, i dont have the site but you should find it with most search engines. the track listing i have on the l.p. of the bottom line club is hassan & sahba (their typo not mine) brainstorm steppenwolf highrise robot spirit of the age sonic attack as a rough guide to the full set list later that year on the uk tour the set list for paington 28-10-78 was as follows automoton 25 years highrise deathtrap age of the microman spirit of the age urban guerilla sonic attack psi power brainstorm steppenwolf free fall robot uncle sams on mars iron dream hope this helps some simon The Buckley House - manubrium at manubrium.demon.co.uk Lancashire folk - living in Yorkshire. One day we'll paint all the roses on the bridges in York red :o) From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jun 23 14:52:00 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:52:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Finding venues and dates In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds "HW: Finding venues and dates" (Jun 23, 4:18pm) Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > Is there a web based resource which lists venues, dates and song lists > for HW gigs? My Golden Void site has the information. The main URL is http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/ If you just want the gig information, go to http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/gigs/ > I am after the venue for the Amsterdam gig on 11/3/77 and I have another The Amsterdam gig was at the Paradiso. The setlist was Brainstorm // Damnation Alley // Fable of a Failed Race // Forge of Vulcan // Hassan I Sahba // Iron Dream // Paranoia // Reefer Madness // Sonic Attack // Spirit of the Age // Steppenwolf // Uncle Sam's on Mars // Waiting for My Man // Wind of Change > tape just titled "Live in New York 1978" which I need exact date, venue > and if possible song lists for. This tape has an absolutely killer > version of Steppenwolf but the tape runs out half way through it. Does > anyone know of this gig and have a fuller recording of it? The only dates that New York Hawkwind played in New York in 1978 were at the Bottom Line club, on March 6th and 7th. The setlists I have for those days are: March 06, 1978 Brainstorm // Damnation Alley // Death Trap // Hassan I Sahba // High Rise // Intro // Iron Dream // Robot // Sonic Attack // Spirit of the Age // Steppenwolf // Uncle Sam's on Mars March 07, 1978 Brainstorm // Damnation Alley // Hassan I Sahba // High Rise // Intro // Iron Dream // Robot // Sonic Attack // Spirit of the Age // Steppenwolf // Uncle Sam's on Mars These may not be complete, though. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 VENI, VIDI, VICE - I came, I saw, I partied. From alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 23 13:01:32 1997 From: alasdair.macdonald at VIRGIN.NET (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:01:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: At 12:41 PM 19-06-97 -0500, Frank Weil wrote: >Waiting for my Man (I'm Waiting for the Man?), (Lou Reed ? (Velvet Underground)), March 11 1977 >I would appreciate information on any additions or corrections. > Yes; I'm Waiting for The Man is a Lou Reed song first performed with Velvet Underground. I have a recording of this song from 23/4/77; i believe it was performed for a European tour only. alasdair alasdair.macdonald at virgin.net From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jun 23 12:16:56 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:16:56 -0600 Subject: Re.Memories of youth Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > Chris W sez... > > This also prompted me to thinking about age (aaaagh, gasp, choke). There > was some talk about the youngest members of the list a little while back, > but what about the other end of the spectrum. I just hit 41, and I figure > quite a few of you are in the same territory and I'm curious about the > general distribution (both sides of the list). > Well. I'm 35 going on 21:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: > Craig Shipley wrote: > > > > Chris W sez... > > > > This also prompted me to thinking about age (aaaagh, gasp, choke). There > > was some talk about the youngest members of the list a little while back, > > but what about the other end of the spectrum. I just hit 41, and I figure > > quite a few of you are in the same territory and I'm curious about the > > general distribution (both sides of the list). > > I'm 27 and very, very quiet. Back to lurkdom, Jumper Clown ManKind 3:16 says ... have a nice day! From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 16:43:06 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:43:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists (Forward) Message-ID: William said: >According to HawkFan no. 10 There was a John Peel recording session >early 1969, which included "Bring it on Home" (that session would make >for a great release!!!). That would be good. I really into the blues and I love Dave doing Dealing with the devil which is a bounse since I didn't expect to hear him playing the blues. Oh according to Paul Jones, (of Manfred Man fame), Sonny Boyd Willimson once said 'Those white boy's want to play the blues so bad and that's how they played". Although Paul was refering to the line up with him, was Sonny refering to the line up which included exerlent Brooke? >The original version was apparantly recorded at >the Royal Albert Hall in 1968, and released on "The Buskers", which was >the recording of that event. How muhc is this record worth? and is it easy to get hold of? >Hope that little bit of info is useful. Very useful! Timmy Langner From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jun 23 16:47:23 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:47:23 +0100 Subject: HW:Re spacey jam (Forward) Message-ID: Jeff Riedle said: >Back around 1989 or so during one of Hawkwind's USA tours I formed a band, >called ourselves "Galactic Zoo", and opened for Hawkwind. In addition to >'Steppenwolf' we did 3 original spacey-jam tunes (very much Pink Floyd-ish >style rip-offs) and they were about 6-10 minutes each. I have a soundboard >analog cassette recording. Did you live the tape running for the hawkwind set? I wish Hawkwind would do some spacy jams again! From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jun 23 16:51:21 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:51:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: in Canada Message-ID: Is this news to anyone? I read on the Deep Purple homepage that BOC will be playing a 3 day festival in Calgary, Alberta starting on August 3rd. Other acts include DP, Nazareth, Starship, BTO, Chilliwack, Kansas, Prism, Rick Derringer, and "others". It didn't say on what day BOC was performing. Brian BrianH at pulleyn.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 23 16:55:11 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:55:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: >Does anyone know the status of the shows in Seattle and Portland? Check my tBS website for the left coast tour dates and venues - some stuff is still up in the air, but I'm updating it as Al and Deb provide the info. http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/ John From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Mon Jun 23 18:17:21 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:17:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-23 14:29:20 EDT, you write: << > BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache > again... Good. It looked good on him. >> Saw BOC Sat. night in Atlanta. Buck's 'stache looked good, I could have almost believed I was back at a show in the 70's. Also, Allen's looking good nowadays, very energetic during the show. Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 11:15:27 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:15:27 +0100 Subject: HW: What's this song please? Message-ID: I was listening to a tape of HW recorded 11/3/77 in Amsterdam and the final track is called "Waiting for the Man". I can't recall off hand which album this is on - even if it is on an album. The song sounds a bit Rolling Stonesish in the vocals but the riff is pure Brock. Without checking, I think the riff was virtually identical to Back on the Streets. Anyone know anything more about this song please? From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 23 17:47:01 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:47:01 +0100 Subject: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth In-Reply-To: <01BC7FB4.586E5D80@dynamic-5.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: I said: >This also prompted me to thinking about age (aaaagh, gasp, choke). There >was some talk about the youngest members of the list a little while back, >but what about the other end of the spectrum. I just hit 41, and I figure >quite a few of you are in the same territory and I'm curious about the >general distribution (both sides of the list). To which Craig S replied: >Well, Chris, old man, I'll be the same age as you a week from now. But >there are a couple of gents on the list that'll call us "babies", so don't >sweat the small stuff, as it is ALL small stuff. I intend to remain about >28 mentally for a long time.... I'm not really sweating it myself: I had my bad year at 37 (I've no idea why!). Since then I've not really been bugged at all, and like you, I reckon I've stuck somewhere round 28. I always reckoned I was too young to be a hippy and too old to be a punk, I've decided that I transcend all classifications *g* Somebody got in before me in upbraiding JonB over his "jazz duffer" comment, but I always found the (modern/avant-garde) jazz world refreshingly free of age/class/style boundaries! ChrisW ObPlaying-Right-Now: Henry Threadgill/makin' a move ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 23 17:54:37 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:54:37 +0100 Subject: Off: Re: obWhatever In-Reply-To: <01BC7FB8.7DE682A0@dynamic-5.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Mark said: > >ob: baked beans and tabasco sauce & Craig replied >Oh, bud, I'm glad that you are in the UK and not here. That sounds like a >lethal combo!!!! At least it is for me!!! :-) It's the only way to eat them - when I'm working away & staying in cheap hotels, I take my tabasco with me (to the occasional amazement of colleagues! ChrisW ObDecoratingMusic: Hawkwind Anthology (Castle/Essential) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Eumero at AOL.COM Mon Jun 23 18:33:41 1997 From: Eumero at AOL.COM (Buck Rogers) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:33:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: haven't heard a word about BOC for so long that I'va almost given up hope...seems like the Gilligan Syndrome, every time I think I've been rescued from this island of no new music, some dillweed like Gilligan at some rip-off record company pulls the plug and we're stuck in this holding pattern forever Buck Rogers From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 23 18:40:05 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:40:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: darXtar news, june 1997 Message-ID: Subject: darXtar news, june 1997 From: darxtar-l at lists.pcmicro.com.au The long awaited Brian Eno tribute cd is now a reality on Brian Perera's Cleopatra records! 11 breathtaking interpretations by acts like Chrome, Brand X, FarFlung, Astralasia, Alien Planetscapes etc. And a completely far-out unplugged (!) version of 'The Silent Place' by darXtar!!! This is a nice one, not just another waste of time cd. (A tribute to the music & works of Brian Eno, Cleopatra CLP0016-2) Don't forget to plan a trip to the Stockholm Progressive Festival on August 29, 30, 31. Check www.algonet.se/~darxtar for latest news and links to organizers. Great bands and a super venue! The recording of the new darXtar album is a slow process, but it will be worth waiting for! K.S Bengtsson's throat problems has not exactly been beneficial for the group, but he's recovering fine and will be 100% at the time for the prog fest. darXtar bass assasin Marcus Pehrssons side act Last Laugh has just signed a two album deal with Swedish label Record Heaven. They will begin to work on their first full album this autumn (but not until the darXtar album is finished - promise!) Peace! -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jun 23 22:50:03 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:50:03 -0400 Subject: tBS: Seattle, Portland Message-ID: >>Does anyone know the status of the shows in Seattle and Portland? Seattle is now looking like Thursday July 24th at the Sit and Spin. Portland is confirmed for Saturday July 26th at Berbati's Pan. Al From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 23 22:48:29 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:48:29 +1000 Subject: HW: Photo's by Battle-Mats & Evert Wysell Message-ID: Hi all, Mats Antonssen has done some updates on his WWW pages, with lots of photo's > http://www.algonet.se/~batlmats/hawkwind.html > http://www.algonet.se/~batlmats/hawkew.html > http://www.algonet.se/~batlmats/nik_turnr.html Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Mon Jun 23 23:17:55 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:17:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-23 19:15:03 EDT, you write: << haven't heard a word about BOC for so long that I'va almost given up hope... >> don't give up hope just yet...with any luck, we'll get that new BOC album before we're all in nursing homes! Bill http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Jun 24 03:45:03 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:45:03 -0700 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: ---------- > From: Ron > > > > Hmmm...I dunno about Heads..."the limits of the infinite have never been > > defined"?? Or was that just Brock playing around... > > Nothing against Brock, he's a musical genius, and in the most subtle way, > > but when it comes to words, he loses out... > > > > Charlie > > uh, not possilutely sure, but i dont think brock wrote the lyrics for > heads. > the music, certainly, but i remember reading somewhere about this guy neil > who was shacked up somewhere and got the idea for the lyrics from something > that was going on around him (headlines or something about cryogen.) > > rj Oof. Yep. Fucked up again. Really silly now especially, I just read an article in Hawk US, which Neil wrote about the lyrics. Sorry, Dave. But you're still not a good lyricist...I'll think of other examples some time when it's not so late... Charlie From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 23 13:12:50 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:12:50 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: <199706231154.MAA09761@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199706231154.MAA09761 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >So how many nethawk t-shirts should I be looking out for at glastonbury then ? >I'm *sure* I'll bump into you all :-) > > >Tim as my spacesuits bolloxed, I'll probably be wearing an olive t-shirt with "DV8" on the chest, white jeans (!) and wellies. I'll be camped right at the top of camping area next to the healing circle / green field. I'll be the shouty drunk bloke. I'll give a tenner to anyone off this list who actually does run into me -- Jon Browne From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jun 24 05:27:28 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:27:28 +0300 Subject: HW: Dark Sun Message-ID: Hi! Though Henrik all ready mention Dark Sun debut-cd Feed your Mind, now that is finaly out. Go get it, it?s great stuff! Miikka micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 24 10:26:16 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:26:16 GMT+0100 Subject: Scott Heller's Address Message-ID: Can anyone send me Scott Heller's snail mail address in Denmark in the next hour or so? I have some stuff to post him before I leave England and have foolishly lost his address .... Please send to cea20 at cus.ca.ac.uk, since I just set my subscription to NOMAIL! :} Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 24 10:36:35 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:36:35 GMT+0100 Subject: Scott's Address--got it! Message-ID: OK, panic over almost before it begun. Scott was all ready on line and sent me his address himself :) See everyone later. Cheers, Carl From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 24 11:07:15 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:07:15 BST Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: bart's message of Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:54:55 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > So how many nethawk t-shirts should I be looking out for at glastonbury then ? > I'm *sure* I'll bump into you all :-) > > > Tim I'll be there, close to the top of the field to the right of the Sacred Circle field. Look out for a Friends of Fernando Poo flag or something. FoFP From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jun 24 07:08:13 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:08:13 +1000 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: At 09:48 AM 23/06/97 -0400, John A Swartz wrote: >Boy, the BOC content on this list has gone way down lately! Apparently >the Summerdaze CD, which has the first new BOC studio track in 5 years >did little for some of you folks. Or have all the folks who want to >talk BOC moved off to other forums? Anybody want to comment on anything? >Anybody? . . . YEAH!! Where's the f***** new album!!!!!!! : ) > >BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache >again... > Good! Where is Jack Heffling????? Is he still on the list???? HAs anybody got the MF issues 1-10? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jun 24 07:11:03 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:11:03 +1000 Subject: Underground Zero, Lloyd-Langdon Group CD's? Message-ID: At 09:11 PM 23/06/97 +0800, William Duffy wrote: >Hi all > >Anyone came across CD's by any of them? Yeah, I got a coouple of LLG ones. >I know there are ones apparantly released, but I don't know where to >find them. Any shops on the net selling them? In Australia, you need to order them or pressure Sonique to stock 'em. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 24 11:15:22 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:15:22 BST Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:12:50 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <199706231154.MAA09761 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart > writes > >So how many nethawk t-shirts should I be looking out for at glastonbury then ? > >I'm *sure* I'll bump into you all :-) > > > > > >Tim > > as my spacesuits bolloxed, I'll probably be wearing an olive t-shirt > with "DV8" on the chest, white jeans (!) and wellies. I'll be camped > right at the top of camping area next to the healing circle / green > field. I'll be the shouty drunk bloke. Oi *that's* MY spot and *I'll* be the shouty drunken bloke or I'll have to ask you to step outside... > I'll give a tenner to anyone off this list who actually does run into me > It's beginning to sound kinda likely Jon. Pop over for a beer sometime... I suppose this means I have to pack some Hawktapes? > Jon Browne FoFP From imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG Tue Jun 24 06:16:21 1997 From: imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG (Imaginos) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 06:16:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: On 6/24/97 5:00 AM, John A Swartz said: >Boy, the BOC content on this list has gone way down lately! Apparently >the Summerdaze CD, which has the first new BOC studio track in 5 years >did little for some of you folks. Or have all the folks who want to >talk BOC moved off to other forums? Anybody want to comment on anything? >Anybody? . . . Where's the Club Ninja re-release? Where's the new album? The summerdaze thing just doesn't do much for me. > >BTW, word on AOL recently has it that Buck has been sporting a moustache >again... That's cool. -Grant From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jun 24 07:18:06 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:18:06 +1000 Subject: BOC: in Canada Message-ID: At 04:51 PM 23/06/97 -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: >Is this news to anyone? > >I read on the Deep Purple homepage that BOC will be playing a 3 day festival in Calgary, Alberta >starting on August 3rd. Other acts include DP, Nazareth, Starship, BTO, Chilliwack, Kansas, Prism, >Rick Derringer, and "others". It didn't say on what day BOC was performing. > COOOOOOL! Nazareth!!!! BTO!!! Now that's what I call a WHEEEZE fest! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From boc-l at AMERCYB.COM Tue Jun 24 09:27:17 1997 From: boc-l at AMERCYB.COM (BOC/Hawkwind List) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:27:17 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of Buffalo show...finally Message-ID: Review of BRAIN SURGEONS show TIME: June 14, 1997 PLACE: Star Bar, 414 Pearl St., Buffalo NY My friend (and boss) Rick and I arrived in Buffalo at around 7:30 on Saturday. Rick lives in Cleveland and I live in Akron, but both our folks live in Ashtabula (an hour east of Cleveland); so we left from there- it took us about 2 hours. Al had given me good directions so we had no trouble finding the place. First thing we did was scope out the venue. Intimate is the first word that comes to mind. It was small, dimly lit, with candles on all the tables. The bar split the room down the middle and ran along the left (from audience) side of the stage and there was a raised section on the right at stage level towards the back of the room. I love to see bands in small venues except I usually only get this privelage with local Cleveland bands. But to see one of my favorite bands in a place like this was a rare experience- I was really hyped up about it. The band wasn't scheduled to go on until 11:00 though, so that left us over 3 hours to explore downtown Buffalo. We were hungry so we found a good place to eat; the Breckenridge Brewery. Good food, good beer; a good start to the evening. We had a couple more beers at various other bars in the area and bought cigars from a street vendor. We got to the Star Bar at about 10:00. Nobody was there to take a cover charge yet so we walked right in and sat at a table right in front of the stage, got a beer and smoked our cigars. After a couple minutes Billy and Dave came in. Rick was wearing his Brain Surgeons shirt and I had my Nethawks shirt on so they nailed us as rabid fans right off the bat and came over and said hey. We bs'd with Billy for a while, he then had to leave to take a shower before the gig (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). The band showed up at about 11:00 and started setting up. As the band was finally getting ready to start (about 12:00 I think), I felt just like I did the first time I saw BOC live back in '86. The only thing bad about that show was that Al and Joe were missing. I remember thinking back then how cool it would be to see Al singing Cities and Dominance live- I never thought I'd live to see the day. I was quickly proven wrong, 'cuz they opened with Cities. Al did the first half in Spanish, then gave up and did the last half in English. It was awesome. They did Dominance (definitely one of my favorite BOC tunes) later in the set. I'd seen BOC do it many times live (without Al) but I'd never seen it done "right" 'til then. Other than that, the two sets they did kinda blended toggether in my mind; I was buzzing pretty hard and just trying to enjoy the music, not remember the set list- so please forgive if I missed anything or got anything wrong. They did a lot of stuff from Box Of Hammers- I seem to remember Locked Up, Donkey Show, Date With My Guitar, Tender Was the Night and Overture- but they did some more as well. Some other BS tunes they did were Language of Love, Name Your Monster, Soul Jive, Medusa and I Play the Drums. Al's drum solo during I Play the Drums was memorable to say the least. At one point he got off his stool and just started walking (and rolling) around the stage hitting anything he saw (including Deb's beer) with his sticks- HIlarious! Al definitely showed his prowess as a percussionist there. As far as BOC tunes, they did Cities On Flame, Dominance and Submission, Astronomy, Red and the Black, Death Valley Nights (another one of my favorite tunes and one I'd been waiting 10 years to see done live), Career of Evil and I am the one you warned me of- I think that's all of 'em. Deb's voice was right on and Billy, Dave and Pete all really impressed me. They all seemed really into what they were doing and most importantly, they looked like they were having fun. They played 'til about 3:00 ( ?? )- which is really cool since I'm used to bars shutting down at 2 in Cleveland. We got to mingle with the band between sets and after the show. We both got our pictures taken with Al (I also got some pictures of the band playing.. when they're developed, I'll put 'em online for everyone to see) , we spoke with Deb after the show about the difficulties of putting a tour together (and pleaded with her to come to Cleveland!), we got autographs, and we also met many other BOC fans- all of whom were really cool (although I can't remember anyone's name.. I'll blame it on the alcohol). I think we finally got on the road back to Ohio at 4 or so- and after a couple sleep breaks - got back home at 8 or 9 in the morning. Rick and I both agreed that this was one of the best shows we had ever seen- topping any BOC show we'd seen thus far. I can't wait to see them again. Al, Deb, Billy, Pete and Dave- thanks for a great show. ps - special thanks to Billy H. from myself and Rick ... he'll know what I'm talking about pss- thanks to Astro for the neat stickers *********************************************************************** Ed Stenger EMAIL: eds at amercyb.com Assistant Director of Information Services PHONE: (216)498-5100 American Cybercasting Corporation (ACC) FAX : (216)498-5101 30680 Bainbridge Road, suite 100a VMAIL: box no. 450 Solon, OH 44139 *********************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 24 09:43:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:43:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: Never thought to compare BOC's record deal situation with Gilligan's Island, but I like it! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 24 09:51:15 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:51:15 -0400 Subject: tBS: Seattle, Portland Message-ID: >Seattle is now looking like Thursday July 24th at the Sit and Spin Al, on my website I posted the 25th (a Friday) for Seattle. Is this a date change, or did I blow it when I put my info up? Either way, I'll change it as soon as I can. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 24 09:55:24 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:55:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: I believe Jack is still here, although he must be busy running one of the more popular BOC websites. Sir Jackson, reveal thyself! :-) I haven't gotten my MF1-10 either, although Bolle told me in an e-mail recently that they were done, and he'd be mailing them out at book rate soon. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 24 10:01:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:01:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: >Where's the Club Ninja re-release? Where's the new album? The summerdaze thing just doesn't do much for me. Uh, well the Club Ninja re-release has been out for a few months now. You can't seriously be looking forward more to that the Summerdaze CD, can you??? Besides, one of the tracks from the new album is on the Summerdaze CD! John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 24 05:10:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:10:53 +0100 Subject: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970623224701.00696f5c@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970623224701.00696f5c at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >Somebody got in before me in upbraiding JonB over his >"jazz duffer" comment, but I always found the (modern/avant-garde) jazz >world refreshingly free of age/class/style boundaries! > >ChrisW I should have been clearer. jazz is cool. Of course. I dig Bird Coltrane, Mingus and I really like Armstrong (even after he sold out) I'm also well up for future jazz like Tortoise and Sven Van Hees hell, even drum 'n' bass pioneers like Photek and Bukem consider themselves jazzmen. My idea of a jazz duffer is someone who never accepted rock/pop in any form, to whom anything from Chuck Berry onwards doesn't count, isn't music *at all*. How I expected you to discern that from one dismissive comment, I don't know. D'oh! the emphasis was on the duffer. I, incidentally, am the psychedelic music duffer round my way. I find it pretty amazing that people don't want to know which 60's garage band Beck swiped Devil's Haircut from. but every time I say something like "well, of course, the original by '60's Texan punk band the Little Boys Blue was much better" people'e eyes just glaze over.... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 24 12:26:27 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:26:27 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: <9706241115.aa07374@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706241115.aa07374 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Oi *that's* MY spot and *I'll* be the shouty drunken bloke or I'll have >to ask you to step outside... > Outside what? Our tents? How about stepping *inside*! and bring some matches......... :-P -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 24 18:34:28 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:34:28 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists (Forward) In-Reply-To: langner timothy's message of Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:43:06 +0100 Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > >The original version was apparantly recorded at > >the Royal Albert Hall in 1968, and released on "The Buskers", which was > >the recording of that event. > > How muhc is this record worth? and is it easy to get hold of? Interesting question and it depends who's selling it. It's one of those curious albums that are so unique there almost isn't a market, so I've seen it offered for sale at amazingly low prices! There was a period when several were being offered through Record Collector and I'm sure there are copies around. On the other hand it could cost you an arm and a leg and a kidney or two if you were unlucky enough to find a seller who wanted to charge full rarity value for it. BTW - Brock's is about the only decent track on it - the rest are - well - maybe not quite of the highest quality.... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 24 05:17:13 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:17:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: <19970624074431298.AAA201@herbrose> Message-ID: In article <19970624074431298.AAA201 at herbrose>, Chuck Rosenberg writes >Sorry, Dave. But you're still not a good lyricist...I'll think of other >examples some time when it's not so late... > >Charlie Yes he is. for every "onward crunching, munching men!" there's twenty tracks like "The Demented Man". I'll go point for point on this. How about "We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago"? Lyrics not even "good"? -- Jon Browne Eat. Sleep. Hawkwind. From stretch at GOT.NET Tue Jun 24 14:02:32 1997 From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:02:32 -0700 Subject: HW:Re spacey jam (Forward) Message-ID: Langner Timothy said: Jeff Riedle said: >Back around 1989 or so during one of Hawkwind's USA tours I formed a band, >called ourselves "Galactic Zoo", and opened for Hawkwind. In addition to >'Steppenwolf' we did 3 original spacey-jam tunes (very much Pink Floyd-ish >style rip-offs) and they were about 6-10 minutes each. I have a soundboard >analog cassette recording. Did you live the tape running for the hawkwind set? I wish Hawkwind would do some spacy jams again! ---> Sorry, we didn't have the ok to soundboard record them, but I believe that audience members had tape decks going. I hope somebody even bootlegged us! Jeff From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Jun 24 14:09:57 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:09:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind covers of other artists Message-ID: Well maybe we'll get somewhere on this Bring It On Home mystery after all..... reviewing the story so far: > > I remember once coming up with the astonishing revelation that the > > version of "Bring It On Home" which appears on > > the Hawkwind Anthology is different than the version (credited to > > the Dharma Blues Band) which appears on the "White Boy Blues" > > anthology > > - Volume 2 I think > > > > so either there are 2 version by the Dharma Blues band (probably), > > or just maybe one is some lineup that might have been Hawkwind > > (doubtful). > > > According to HawkFan no. 10 There was a John Peel recording session > early 1969, which included "Bring it on Home" (that session would make > for a great release!!!). The original version was apparantly recorded at > the Royal Albert Hall in 1968, and released on "The Buskers", which was > the recording of that event. Well not having the Buskers album, I was waiting to see who did, Jill to the rescue: >BTW - Brock's is about the only decent track on it - the rest are - >well - maybe not quite of the highest quality.... 8-) Now, my guess is that this is a solo version (given the albums called the Buskers) rather than the Dharma Blues Band. This would then make it the third known version with Mr Brock on it (both of the other versions are definitely "band" versions, its just not clear who the "band" is on at least one of the versions (the version on the Hawkwind Collection). Does anyone have the 69 Peel session to compare against the Collection version ? This would confirm the existance of a version by a lineup called "Hawkwind" as distinct from the Dharma Blues Band and the (presumed) Brock solo version. Fascinating stuff eh !! Bet Dave can't remember !! Steve L. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 24 12:22:57 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:22:57 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: <9706241107.aa03809@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706241107.aa03809 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >I'll be there, close to the top of the field to the right of the Sacred >Circle field. Look out for a Friends of Fernando Poo flag or something. > >FoFP It sounds like we'll be neighbours. Make sure that flag's up, I'll look for you. -- Jon Browne From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 24 13:22:43 1997 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:22:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a review of Harvey Bainbridge's Red SHift from the CDS catalogue I scanned it rather than re-typed and I have not checked very closely for mistakes so apologies if there are any. HARVEY BAINBRIDGE: Red Shift CD ?11.99 For synth fans, forget the fact that this guy used to play for Hawkwind! Read on and find out that this is one of the most sensational synth albums I have heard in years!!! Those who know his first album can just forget that completely, as 'Red Shift' is on a higher musical & mental plane altogether. From start to finish (it actually opens good and gets better and better as the CD goes on), this is one stunning album. It is not at all like Hawkwind, it is not like T.Dream, or Schulze or Vangelis or Neuronlum or anyone equally famous, but it does have influences from the music produced down the years by all these artists. Never at any time is it difficult or inaccessible - it is unique yet somehow familiar, like someone chucked all these groups into a steaming cauldron and mixed it all up - the resulting concoction is this fabulous synth CD. To do it full justice it would take forever, but we'll try to get the message over in a reasonable space It opens with swirling space synths with a neat keyboard passage drifting away on top, shimmering bassy undercurrents that hint at rather than feature rhythm, as the foreground lays out sets of lead synthe that just soar away into the heavens on waves of cosmic textures with echoed synths entering briefly as more layers are added to the ever growing sound. Then one of those trademark teutonic '70's sounding sequencer lines emerges and, whilst still maintaining the full sound and the spacey atmosphere, the sound gradually intensifies as the sequencers roll in around the space-like synthscapes and it's all positively breathtaking. The synths & sequencers forge ahead with a strong yet etherealimelodic feel, as the landscape slowly changes and a new rhythm layer from synths comes in on top of the strengthened sequencer work - a master piece of vintage '70's influenced space music with sequencers to die for and synths flowing away in grand cosmic fashion - nine minutes of pure bliss! All that was only track one and track 2 is similarly structured with those big flowing chords that you'd find on a good TD or Neuronium album, allied to spiralling, but relaxed synth rhythms, with the central focus being the flowing chords and string synth style soundscapes that capture a mood and keep it going throughout. As the track develops, the focus changes into a more rhythmic synth approach, still spacey, eventually adding more synth layers to an already wondrous eight minute+ soundscape. Track 3 starts with more flowing space synth chords and sound patterns that are right out of the space music textbook with, again, a hint at rhythms as the bass synth undercurrent travels through the piece. The sound engulfs the unsuspecting listener in a synth mist that is warming, deep and heavenly, cosmic music at its absolute best. The track briefly becomes a bit more symphonic, in a Vangells sense, but then it ends on waves of pure space keyboard textures. Track 4 opens with more gorgeous space chords, then a lead synth soars overhead on a short three minute+ piece. Track 5 possesses an even fuller sounding landscape and here we find a cascading rhythmic base from synths and bass synth plus a set of Neuronium-like synth solos that effortlessly glide through the air. Track 6 is a remarkable ten minutes of vari-textured, multi-layered, wide-ranging soundscapes, with gently cascading, solid rhythms, creating some superb sonic patterns that flow and drift immaculately through and alongside the softly textured backdrops, all making for a spellbinding track that really pulls you along through its intergalactic voyage. Then comes track 7, and ifs unbelievably, mind-bendingly brilliant At over eleven minutes, it begins with another synth-space set of chords and layers that precede a high register sequencerlike rhythm that emerges overhead. The bass undercurrent becomes deeper and positively scary, until a beautifully majestic string synth enters the sonic arena and then, from the depths, a sequencer-styled electropercussive rhythm flies in, with a Tim Blake style synth solo, partially echoed, emerging on top, it all develops with extra keyboard layers and the whole thing takes off on After a short lull with just synth percussion & sequencer rhythms, more keyboard top layers are added, a massive set of synth chords and strings enter and the sonic engines fire up again and this incredible musical landscape just has you absolutely transfixed in its musical splendours - A really incredible track that you'll play over and over and over again. The CD ends, surprisingly, not on a cosmic note, but on three minutes of melodic/rhythmic synth space-rock, mid-paced with solid sequencers, Tim Blake style swirling synths and superb lead lines. Overall, as I said before1 this is brilliant and should be owned by anyone into TD, Blake, Neuronium, space synth & Hawk fans who like it instrumental and cosmic. From mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET Tue Jun 24 15:41:32 1997 From: mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET (Michael Galvin) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:41:32 -0700 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) In-Reply-To: <199706232055.QAA29146@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the web site info. John. And Al, looking forward to the shows. It is really going to happen! Are tBS advertising the shows in local music magazines? Skip From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 15:43:31 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:43:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath In-Reply-To: <01BC7600.375AB3E0@host5-99-53-125.btinternet.com> from "Andrew Gilham" at Jun 11, 97 00:40:01 am Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > >Sorry, but am I the only person that happens to sort-of dislike Needle > >Gun? > > I thought it sucked on the Black Sword album - hey, *everything* sucked on the Black Sword album - but on Saturday I really liked it! > > I even sang along - "needle needle needle needle gun" and all. Geez, I fall off the list for a little while, and I miss Andy Gilham admitting this! Still, this is obviously one for the forever file. (And maybe the "blackmail" file as well). ;-) Steve From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 24 16:29:31 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:29:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Harvey Red Shift Message-ID: Alright, alright already!!! Where can I get a copy of this jewel?!??! I've been browsing the Web all day and can't find a source anywhere! Does this CDS have a WWW presence? (Did find a boatload of new stuff, which may put a severe hurtin' on the ol' Mastercard! :-/ ). Craig ---------- From: David Jones[SMTP:david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 1997 1:22 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Harvey Red Shift This is a review of Harvey Bainbridge's Red SHift from the CDS catalogue I scanned it rather than re-typed and I have not checked very closely for mistakes so apologies if there are any. HARVEY BAINBRIDGE: Red Shift CD ?11.99 For synth fans, forget the fact that this guy used to play for Hawkwind! Read on and find out that this is one of the most sensational synth albums I have heard in years!!! Those who know his first album can just forget that completely, as 'Red Shift' is on a higher musical & mental plane altogether. From start to finish (it actually opens good and gets better and better as the CD goes on), this is one stunning album. It is not at all like Hawkwind, it is not like T.Dream, or Schulze or Vangelis or Neuronlum or anyone equally famous, but it does have influences from the music produced down the years by all these artists. Never at any time is it difficult or inaccessible - it is unique yet somehow familiar, like someone chucked all these groups into a steaming cauldron and mixed it all up - the resulting concoction is this fabulous synth CD. To do it full justice it would take forever, but we'll try to get the message over in a reasonable space It opens with swirling space synths with a neat keyboard passage drifting away on top, shimmering bassy undercurrents that hint at rather than feature rhythm, as the foreground lays out sets of lead synthe that just soar away into the heavens on waves of cosmic textures with echoed synths entering briefly as more layers are added to the ever growing sound. Then one of those trademark teutonic '70's sounding sequencer lines emerges and, whilst still maintaining the full sound and the spacey atmosphere, the sound gradually intensifies as the sequencers roll in around the space-like synthscapes and it's all positively breathtaking. The synths & sequencers forge ahead with a strong yet etherealimelodic feel, as the landscape slowly changes and a new rhythm layer from synths comes in on top of the strengthened sequencer work - a master piece of vintage '70's influenced space music with sequencers to die for and synths flowing away in grand cosmic fashion - nine minutes of pure bliss! All that was only track one and track 2 is similarly structured with those big flowing chords that you'd find on a good TD or Neuronium album, allied to spiralling, but relaxed synth rhythms, with the central focus being the flowing chords and string synth style soundscapes that capture a mood and keep it going throughout. As the track develops, the focus changes into a more rhythmic synth approach, still spacey, eventually adding more synth layers to an already wondrous eight minute+ soundscape. Track 3 starts with more flowing space synth chords and sound patterns that are right out of the space music textbook with, again, a hint at rhythms as the bass synth undercurrent travels through the piece. The sound engulfs the unsuspecting listener in a synth mist that is warming, deep and heavenly, cosmic music at its absolute best. The track briefly becomes a bit more symphonic, in a Vangells sense, but then it ends on waves of pure space keyboard textures. Track 4 opens with more gorgeous space chords, then a lead synth soars overhead on a short three minute+ piece. Track 5 possesses an even fuller sounding landscape and here we find a cascading rhythmic base from synths and bass synth plus a set of Neuronium-like synth solos that effortlessly glide through the air. Track 6 is a remarkable ten minutes of vari-textured, multi-layered, wide-ranging soundscapes, with gently cascading, solid rhythms, creating some superb sonic patterns that flow and drift immaculately through and alongside the softly textured backdrops, all making for a spellbinding track that really pulls you along through its intergalactic voyage. Then comes track 7, and ifs unbelievably, mind-bendingly brilliant At over eleven minutes, it begins with another synth-space set of chords and layers that precede a high register sequencerlike rhythm that emerges overhead. The bass undercurrent becomes deeper and positively scary, until a beautifully majestic string synth enters the sonic arena and then, from the depths, a sequencer-styled electropercussive rhythm flies in, with a Tim Blake style synth solo, partially echoed, emerging on top, it all develops with extra keyboard layers and the whole thing takes off on After a short lull with just synth percussion & sequencer rhythms, more keyboard top layers are added, a massive set of synth chords and strings enter and the sonic engines fire up again and this incredible musical landscape just has you absolutely transfixed in its musical splendours - A really incredible track that you'll play over and over and over again. The CD ends, surprisingly, not on a cosmic note, but on three minutes of melodic/rhythmic synth space-rock, mid-paced with solid sequencers, Tim Blake style swirling synths and superb lead lines. Overall, as I said before1 this is brilliant and should be owned by anyone into TD, Blake, Neuronium, space synth & Hawk fans who like it instrumental and cosmic. From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 16:44:48 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:44:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword sucks! (sort of) In-Reply-To: <199706112129.QAA28721@wcic.org> from "John Majka" at Jun 11, 97 04:29:51 pm Message-ID: John Majka writes: > > insult only half-intended)! Thank goodness they dropped the heavy metal > idiocy (not to mention Danny Thompson, the worst-ever drummer) and got back > on course! My girlfriend still gets annoyed at me when she hears Danny Thompson's monotonous thumping. She hadn't noticed it until I drew her attention to it, and now it distracts her from enjoying just about any studio track that he's performed on (oddly, he doesn't sound as bad live, maybe because he's usually performing material written by better drummers?). Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:01:37 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:01:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Black Sword In-Reply-To: <199706120236.AA12940@lcfn.org> from "Jeffrey Hoyt" at Jun 11, 97 10:36:39 pm Message-ID: Jeffrey Hoyt writes: > > Hi, > > I'm kinda new to the board, so this is my first time writing. Just > wonderin', are there any other 15 year olds on here? I'm almost 15 Well, you probably have noticed by now that most of us are kind of older than that. Hawkwind has been around since the late 60's, and so a lot of, if not most of, their "fan base" are in their 30s or 40s. Don't let it bother you. I know people twice your age who don't express themselves half as well as you do. :-) > liked them (he got me i nterested), he told me to give Live Chronicles a > listen. At first, I didn't wan't to, but, I'm very glad I did. HW is > one of my favorite bands. > > Live Chronicles is the first one I have ever heard, and I really > can't explain why, but it's still my all around favorite Hawkwind album. Well, I've been a Hawkwind fan since about 1988. Live Chronicles became my favorite from the moment I heard it, and it still is. > P.S. If you would like, please post your five favorite Hawkwind albums > so I can get a good idea of whats out there. As of now, I'd say mine are > (not in any order) > > Live Chronicles, Levitaion, Mighty Hawkwind Classics, Out and Intake and > Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Any of you like Days of the Underground? I > think it's weird, but pretty cool) "Sort of" in order: Live Chronicles, Space Ritual, Levitation, The Business Trip, Live '79. Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:07:19 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:07:19 -0400 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <9706120933.AA00923@etlxd20c> from "Rob Stuckey" at Jun 12, 97 10:33:53 am Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > I'd seen Hawkwind twice in the late eighties, but still wasn't > convinced. Then one day I saw Palace Springs going cheap in a > record shop so I bought it. A week later I listened to it for > the first time while me and a friend were playing computer games. > I nearly changed the CD when I heard Back In A Box, but then > Assault & Battery came on and both my firend and I were instantly > hooked. It's a brilliant song and clearly the best version of it. Just to make sure that no remark ever passes unchallenged on this list: I think the Friday Rock Show version is the greatest ever. ;-) > Golden Void and a superb Damnation Alley are both (arguably) > better than the originals. Arguably. "Which version of Golden Void" is one of those balanced- on-a-knife-edge decisions for me... Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:11:51 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:11:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Blackheath (Forward) In-Reply-To: <199706121058.LAA27468@brookes.ac.uk> from "langner timothy" at Jun 12, 97 11:58:44 am Message-ID: langner timothy writes: > > As for live cronicals. there are better live albums! Dare I say it. The videos > good because it includes the actions and that's well done so add to it but as > the for the soudn of the live alubm. I don't like it. I hate to say it, but after seeing the _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ video, I gained a new insight into Andy Gilham's distaste for that era of Hawkwind. It was almost Spinal-Tap-level embarrassing. I'm really glad that I listened to the album years before seeing the video, or it might have robbed me of much of my enjoyment of the music... Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:17:10 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:17:10 -0400 Subject: Black Sword (Forward) In-Reply-To: <01BC7738.E3FCCA00@host5-99-51-125.btinternet.com> from "Andrew Gilham" at Jun 12, 97 01:58:44 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > So imagine my surprise on joining this list to find that people picked up > on HW through the very albums that turned me off! And someone describing Who, I wonder? > _Live Chronicles_ (the first HW album I didn't bother buying, because I was > there, and it was one of those gigs I just described as "really dire") as > "EPIC"! :) Must have a been an intelligent and insightful fellow! :) Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:30:33 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:30:33 -0400 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Jun 13, 97 03:00:52 am Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > > Carl, you yourself have criticised almost every HW album but SR > for not being "crushingly heavy enough"; Yes, and it's certainly his most endearing quality. :) BLANGA! Steve From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 24 17:36:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:36:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Blackheath Message-ID: >> I even sang along - "needle needle needle needle gun" and all. > >Geez, I fall off the list for a little while, and I miss Andy Gilham >admitting this! Yeah, well, I might not like it on the album, but I do know all the words! :) - Andy "Five in the player": Natacha Atlas - _Halim_ Julee Cruise - _The Voice of Love_ The New Christs - _Lower Yourself_ MC Solaar - _Qui seme le vent recolte le tempo_ Bruce Springsteen - _Darkness on the Edge of Town_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 17:59:58 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:59:58 -0400 Subject: Surgeons in Toronto & Buffalo In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jun 16, 97 10:29:08 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > tBS had a cool trip to NXNE and Buffalo this weekend. Both shows had a > modest turnout although the Buffalo club was smaller so it seemed like > more. Another thing common to each show was the lack of publicity. > > El Mocombo is a club in Chinatown in Toronto with not so many clubs close > by. We played upstairs so people couldn't see us from the street. The > upstairs isn't used that often anymore so there was some interest in this > famous stage. Many people there stayed for the whole night throughout the In case anyone isn't sure how the El Mocombo is famous, that's where Rush made their name. I always wondered how it was spelled... frankly I'd envisioned something like Alma Combo. :-) I'm peeved. I was in Buffalo 2 weeks too late for tBS show. And since I got turned away at the door (I'll relate this bizarre story some time) of the Webster Hall show, it's now been *far* too long since I've caught a show... Steve From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 18:03:11 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:03:11 -0400 Subject: Bash CN no more, dogs! In-Reply-To: <199706171210.IAA05259@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jun 17, 97 08:10:10 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > O.K., here we go again ;-) > You know, I was just thinking "It's about that time of year again". You can practically set your system calendar by the annual Club Ninja flamewar (though after all the rehashes of it, it's dwindled to something like a candleflamewar). :-) Steve busily catching up on 650(?) unread messages. Argh! From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jun 24 18:25:53 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:25:53 -0400 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: from "Mark Edmonds" at Jun 19, 97 04:10:47 pm Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > > >Andrew Gilham writes: > > > >> I really liked Levitation when it came out, partly because it finally = > >> gave me vinyl versions of much of the material played on the PXR5 tour, = > >> but also I think because it gave a rebuttal to all those snipers who = > >> slagged off Hawkwind for "not being able to play their instruments" > > I've got quite a few tapes from the '79 tour and they nearly always > screwed up the opening queues for "Who's Gonna Win The War"! > > Another great feature of Levitation which I think might be overlooked is > the subtle tone range of Dave's and Huw's guitar work. I've heard few I think half the reason that a lot of fans don't think much of Levitation is that it doesn't really shine on the same kind of $50 low-fi gear that _Doremi_ sounds awesome on. ;-) (Of course now we've got the EMI remasters, we don't need to hide Doremi under a nice safe blanket of amplifier hum anymore.) Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jun 24 20:44:26 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:44:26 -0400 Subject: Palace Springs Message-ID: >Jon Jarrett writes: >> >> Carl, you yourself have criticised almost every HW album but SR >> for not being "crushingly heavy enough"; > >Yes, and it's certainly his most endearing quality. :) > >BLANGA! I've seen various definitions of Blanga (Blanga: Space Ritual), but is it true that it's an acronym for Bass (Lots) And Noise Generated Anarchy? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 24 19:40:32 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:40:32 +0100 Subject: Off: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth In-Reply-To: <1RTisGAd84rzEwrz@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I was once again on my high horse :-{)> >>Somebody got in before me in upbraiding JonB over his >>"jazz duffer" comment, but I always found the (modern/avant-garde) jazz >>world refreshingly free of age/class/style boundaries! >> >>ChrisW > >I should have been clearer. jazz is cool. Of course. I dig Bird >Coltrane, Mingus and I really like Armstrong (even after he sold out) >I'm also well up for future jazz like Tortoise and Sven Van Hees >hell, even drum 'n' bass pioneers like Photek and Bukem consider >themselves jazzmen. My idea of a jazz duffer is someone who never >accepted rock/pop in any form, to whom anything from Chuck Berry onwards >doesn't count, isn't music *at all*. How I expected you to discern that >from one dismissive comment, I don't know. D'oh! > >the emphasis was on the duffer. And my reaction was based on the effect that the "J" word has on people - for some it conjures up images of snoozeworthy lounge pianists in hotel cocktail bars, for others it just means bad "trad" bands in local pub rooms and I'm so used to trying to put over the point that it's a living, breathing, exciting and even scary (e.g. Last Exit) music. >I, incidentally, am the psychedelic music duffer round my way. I find it >pretty amazing that people don't want to know which 60's garage band >Beck swiped Devil's Haircut from. but every time I say something like >"well, of course, the original by '60's Texan punk band the Little Boys >Blue was much better" people'e eyes just glaze over.... I have similar problems myself. My head is full to bursting with all kinds of musical trivia, and sometimes it just sort of pukes out all over anyone who's in earshot *g* BTW Sorry I haven't made it over to Richmond yet - family schedules & all that..... ChrisW ObColtraneReissue: Sun Ship From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 24 19:44:24 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:44:24 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fofp wrote >>Oi *that's* MY spot and *I'll* be the shouty drunken bloke or I'll have >>to ask you to step outside... >> And JonB replied: >Outside what? Our tents? How about stepping *inside*! and bring some >matches......... :-P I would, but I won't be there (Lucky BASTARDS). OTOH You guys won't be at the wedding party of the decade in Manchester in two weeks time. They won't have to vacuum the carpet afterwards, I'll do that *VBEG* ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 24 19:51:43 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:51:43 +0100 Subject: Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <199706242130.RAA14217@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: >BLANGA! >Steve Excuse the dumbe question, but as I'm a recent returnee to the Hawkfold: I think I get this from the general gist of messages with the word in, but can someone give me the etymology of it? ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 24 19:58:41 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:58:41 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <199706242225.SAA14525@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: Steve said: >I think half the reason that a lot of fans don't think much of >Levitation is that it doesn't really shine on the same kind of $50 >low-fi gear that _Doremi_ sounds awesome on. ;-) I wonder if that's why I wasn't too impressed with DoReMi when it came out. I love it now, and I only have an average cassette done off an old album - and I definitely don't have low-rent gear... Maybe it's time to buy the remaster... ChrisW ObCDPlayer: Luxman D107u - the one with the valves :-{)> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jun 24 21:30:44 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:30:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: > >Sorry, Dave. But you're still not a good lyricist...I'll think of other > >examples some time when it's not so late... > > > >Charlie > > Yes he is. for every "onward crunching, munching men!" there's twenty > tracks like "The Demented Man". I'll go point for point on this. > > How about "We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago"? > Lyrics not even "good"? > you tell him jon! oohrah! rj From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jun 24 21:59:37 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:59:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Video embarrassment Message-ID: Der Swann-meister sagt: langner timothy writes: > > As for live cronicals. there are better live albums! Dare I say it. The videos > good because it includes the actions and that's well done so add to it but as > the for the soudn of the live alubm. I don't like it. I hate to say it, but after seeing the _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ video, I gained a new insight into Andy Gilham's distaste for that era of Hawkwind. It was almost Spinal-Tap-level embarrassing. I'm really glad that I listened to the album years before seeing the video, or it might have robbed me of much of my enjoyment of the music... Steve This is one of the main reasons that I avoid videos and MTV in general. I like to mentally interpret the music and my mental images of the music are not what the producers of the music videos conceive. And after viewing the video, I find it hard to separate the video from the music. Sometimes the video is better than my own version (i.e. Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing") but usually not. For what its worth... (welcome back, Steve!) obVisual along with obCDPlayer: my two-month old daughter "spitting up" during the playing of: Mike Oldfield / Tubular Bells 2 (really!). Wasn't green... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jun 24 23:18:43 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:18:43 -0400 Subject: tBS: Seattle, Portland Message-ID: >>Seattle is now looking like Thursday July 24th at the Sit and Spin > >Al, on my website I posted the 25th (a Friday) for Seattle. Is this a >date change, or did I blow it when I put my info up? Either way, I'll >change it as soon as I can. Sorry John this is a date change. It's pretty much certain now. When we said the 25 we actually didn't have a commitment from any club at that point. That's just when we wanted to do it. Now we have a club that'll have us and it's supposed to be a pretty hip club too. Al From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jun 24 21:57:21 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:57:21 -0700 Subject: BOC: in Canada Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > I read on the Deep Purple homepage that BOC will be playing a > 3 day festival in Calgary, Alberta starting on August 3rd. > Other acts include DP, Nazareth, Starship, BTO, Chilliwack, Kansas, Prism, > Rick Derringer, and "others". It didn't say on what day BOC was performing. Wow, what a bunch of granddads! And how I would /love/ to see this fest... Jerry From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jun 25 03:48:38 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:48:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gong :) Message-ID: Hi all! Just had to say that I got "Angel's Egg" tonite:) WoW! I'm going to be getting the other two-thirds of the trilogy as soon as possible. Excellent is just too short a word for this cd. Stupendous would be better!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Jon Browne writes: > In article <9706241107.aa03809 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > >I'll be there, close to the top of the field to the right of the Sacred > >Circle field. Look out for a Friends of Fernando Poo flag or something. > > > >FoFP > > It sounds like we'll be neighbours. Make sure that flag's up, I'll look > for you. Looks like rain..... 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 25 06:14:53 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:14:53 -0400 Subject: Gong :) Message-ID: Hi all! Just had to say that I got "Angel's Egg" tonite:) WoW! I'm going to be getting the other two-thirds of the trilogy as soon as possible. Excellent is just too short a word for this cd. Stupendous would be better!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? depends on what you like. there are almost as many incarnations of gong as there are hawkwind. but the different versions of gong are more noticeably diverse. i dont want to be the one to break it down.. there are a couple of things i dont like a whole lot. (mothergong, some of pierre moerlin's gong) tops: angels' egg, YoU, On 6/25/97, John A Swartz said: > >>Where's the Club Ninja re-release? Where's the new album? The summerdaze >thing just doesn't do much for me. > >Uh, well the Club Ninja re-release has been out for a few months now. You >can't seriously be looking forward more to that the Summerdaze CD, can >you??? It's out? Where? The USA? I expected a copy or two to pop up somewhere, but I haven't seen a thing (I even had a friend who was visiting NYC check out some of the mega-stores). I was keeping an eye out for it when they said it would be re-released in March, but when it didn't, I quit paying as much attention. I guess I'll go check CD Now or something. This is the only BOC album I don't have on disc and I just want to make my set complete. >Besides, one of the tracks from the new album is on the Summerdaze CD! I saw the disc and didn't really want to get all the other stuff on there. If the BOC song is the same as one that's going to be on the new album, I'd rather have the new album. -Grant From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 25 07:38:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 07:38:24 EDT Subject: (DF)tR Message-ID: There's a transcription of Reaper in this month's Guitar World. Cool how the guitar magazines lately have been giving BOC some ink... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 25 05:14:30 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:14:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Gong :) In-Reply-To: <33B0CD56.4ED@micron.net> Message-ID: In article <33B0CD56.4ED at micron.net>, Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes >Hi all! >Just had to say that I got "Angel's Egg" tonite:) WoW! I'm going to be >getting the other two-thirds of the trilogy as soon as possible. >Excellent is just too short a word for this cd. Stupendous would be >better!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more >frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? > Daevid Allen era is all this good. You will want Camberbert Electrique, You, Radio Gnome Invisible Pt.1 and Magick Brother, Mystick Sister. (in that order) Gong Live is worth getting as is his solo outing Now Is the Happiest Time Of Your Life. You may wish to be a little cautious after the band became Pierre Moerlin's Gong - I am not keen on "Gazeuse" or "Shamal". they are very different, all instrumental and utterly jazz. I expect a few "no, no they're great LP's" but there are very different to Divided Alien's Gong. The album he did with Here & Now - "Floating Anarchy '77 is also a lo-fo classic. ObIrony 1995 Here & Now release "UFOasis" 1997 Oasis release "Be Here Now" not a lot of people know that! -- Jon Browne From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 25 08:41:27 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:41:27 +0100 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" Message-ID: "no, no they're great LP's" Well Shamal is anyway. Mike P ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 25 June 1997 10:14 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Gong :) In article <33B0CD56.4ED at micron.net>, Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes >Hi all! >Just had to say that I got "Angel's Egg" tonite:) WoW! I'm going to be >getting the other two-thirds of the trilogy as soon as possible. >Excellent is just too short a word for this cd. Stupendous would be >better!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more >frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? > Daevid Allen era is all this good. You will want Camberbert Electrique, You, Radio Gnome Invisible Pt.1 and Magick Brother, Mystick Sister. (in that order) Gong Live is worth getting as is his solo outing Now Is the Happiest Time Of Your Life. You may wish to be a little cautious after the band became Pierre Moerlin's Gong - I am not keen on "Gazeuse" or "Shamal". they are very different, all instrumental and utterly jazz. I expect a few "no, no they're great LP's" but there are very different to Divided Alien's Gong. The album he did with Here & Now - "Floating Anarchy '77 is also a lo-fo classic. ObIrony 1995 Here & Now release "UFOasis" 1997 Oasis release "Be Here Now" not a lot of people know that! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 25 05:04:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:04:16 +0100 Subject: Off: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970625004032.0068e06c@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970625004032.0068e06c at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >I have similar problems myself. My head is full to bursting with all kinds >of musical trivia, and sometimes it just sort of pukes out all over anyone >who's in earshot *g* My eternal shame : I got 2 more questions right about Elton John than the person on Mastermind the other night, whose specialist subject he was. And I was _into_ Elton John for about two months when I was 12, just before punk happened and never again. Help! My poor brain. I couldn't name the Prime Ministers of this century, but I do know Elton dressed up as Ronald McDonald to guest at Wham's farewell concert. Somebody shoot me. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 25 05:05:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:05:25 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970625005841.006a3d70@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970625005841.006a3d70 at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >ChrisW > >ObCDPlayer: Luxman D107u - the one with the valves :-{)> > Seriously? This actually exists? -- Jon Browne From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 25 09:08:54 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:08:54 +0100 Subject: Off: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth Message-ID: Bang! ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: 25 June 1997 10:04 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: T2/Boomland...Memories of youth In article <3.0.1.32.19970625004032.0068e06c at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >I have similar problems myself. My head is full to bursting with all kinds >of musical trivia, and sometimes it just sort of pukes out all over anyone >who's in earshot *g* My eternal shame : I got 2 more questions right about Elton John than the person on Mastermind the other night, whose specialist subject he was. And I was _into_ Elton John for about two months when I was 12, just before punk happened and never again. Help! My poor brain. I couldn't name the Prime Ministers of this century, but I do know Elton dressed up as Ronald McDonald to guest at Wham's farewell concert. Somebody shoot me. -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 25 09:20:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:20:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Morning Final 1-10 Message-ID: Well, just when someone was asking, and I say I haven't gotten mine yet, Morning Final 1-10 arrived in the mail yesterday -- VERY COOL STUFF! Looks like I'm gonna have to do an major update to the FAQ . . . John From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 25 09:20:48 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:20:48 +1000 Subject: OFF: Expose' #13 advertising info. Message-ID: There's an article on the Hawks in the next issue of Expose! Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: ptlk at netcom.com (The Lighthouse Keeper) Subject: Expose' #13 advertising info. 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From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Jun 25 10:50:27 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:50:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: If anyone else is going to make the Concord (CA) SummerDaze show tonight -- I'll be the guy in the black t-shirt... From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 25 11:19:10 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID Message-ID: At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: >No, Sorry, > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > >'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only produced the dumbest crap). The music kind of sucks too. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jun 25 11:25:33 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:25:33 -0500 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" Message-ID: At 01:41 PM 6/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >"no, no they're great LP's" > >Well Shamal is anyway. > >Mike P Funny how opinions differ. I was just about to write and say that at least Gazeuse is pretty good, but Shamal is awful crap. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 25 11:38:44 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:38:44 +0100 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" Message-ID: Well at least we both agree that Lighthouse is dross. However, I bought and listened to Palace Springs for the first time yesterday. The first track, waaaheyy man, now that _is_ dire!! if it was not for the fact that I was driving at the time I would have been tempted to throw the disc out of the window. The rest of the album is great though. Who on earth decided to open the album with that awful singing. What it does do though is emphasise the quality of Brock's voice (it is Brock isn't it) on the next track. Mike P. Ob LP for fun & stupidity: Eligible Bachelors, Monochrome Set ---------- From: John Majka[SMTP:flossbac at WCIC.ORG] Sent: 25 June 1997 16:25 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" At 01:41 PM 6/25/97 +0100, you wrote: >"no, no they're great LP's" > >Well Shamal is anyway. > >Mike P Funny how opinions differ. I was just about to write and say that at least Gazeuse is pretty good, but Shamal is awful crap. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 25 12:27:09 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:27:09 +0100 Subject: OFF:Totally off Message-ID: http://www.vionline.com/sound.html#INDEX Well, it made me laugh M From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 25 18:00:28 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:00:28 BST Subject: HW: Lighthouse is (not) STOOPID In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > >No, Sorry, > > > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > > > >'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? > > > yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of > typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only > produced the dumbest crap). > The music kind of sucks too. Ah now I am impelled to rise in support of Lighthouse! I never heard Blake do this track while he was with the band but I'm fairly sure that no recording outside of the studio can do his playing real justice. The lyrics may be a tad sentimental and New Agely slushy for today's street-wise cynics but he is a brilliant electronic synths player and the tragedy is that his best music is really only to be found on the studio albums he made (New Jerusalem and Crystal Machine) in the 80s. Lighthouse heard live on stage through a huge amplified sound system would probably have a terrific sound which doesn't come over in the recording at all but he really is/was a composer of excellent electronic music and it's a real shame he never developed his abilities and made more albums of the really high quality music he was creating at that time. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jun 25 14:15:29 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:15:29 -0400 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970625005841.006a3d70@mcmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Chris Warburton wrote: > Steve said: > >I think half the reason that a lot of fans don't think much of > >Levitation is that it doesn't really shine on the same kind of $50 > >low-fi gear that _Doremi_ sounds awesome on. ;-) > > I wonder if that's why I wasn't too impressed with DoReMi when it came out. > > I love it now, and I only have an average cassette done off an old album - > and I definitely don't have low-rent gear... > Maybe it's time to buy the remaster... If you have anything better than a 10yr old boombox, it's definitely time to get the remaster. "Night and Day" is the best way to describe the difference. Steve From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 25 14:18:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:18:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Lighthouse is (not) STOOPID Message-ID: >The lyrics may be a tad sentimental and New Agely slushy for today's >street-wise cynics And for late-'70s cynics, too - punk had just happened, after all... >Lighthouse heard live on stage through a huge amplified sound system >would probably have a terrific sound Yes it did, but it got better when Simon King joined in :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A,2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`T $```$````0`````P``, ,````+``\.``````(!_P\!````40`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$)/0R](87=K=VEN9"!$:7-C=7-S:6]N M($QI`/9?`0```!T```!"3T,O M2&%W:W=I;F0 at 1&ES8W5S# $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\,`0```!L```!!;F1Y+D=I M;&AA;4!B=&EN=&5R;F5T+F-O;0```P`&$/\V$G<#``<030$``!X`"! !```` M90```%1(14Q94DE#4TU!64)%051!1%-%3E1)345.5$%,04Y$3D5704=%3%E3 M3%532%E&3U)43T1!65-35%)%150M5TE314-93DE#4T%.1$9/4DQ!5$4M-S!3 M0UE.24-3+%1/3RU054X``````@$)$ $````B`@``'@(``-,"``!,6D9U9"9Q MUP,`"@!R8W!G,3(U=C(`] 'W( *D`^,"`&.": K 0408R,$( # >2!B%T!A(/D!D&0@$' ", =Q`C '0(T8,&X8@ ?" M06=E%V!S&) *0'-H%_ "$ 7 =#L$@$* [*<0Q\2,` M=*!P.B\O=S70+C-<["]^&6$RP&`"V "" &```` M``# ````````1@`````VA0```0````$`````````'@`N@ @@!@``````P `` M`````$8`````-X4```$````!`````````!X`+X (( 8``````, ```````!& M`````#B%```!`````0`````````>`#T``0````4```!213H@``````,`#33] %-P``5!>% ` end From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jun 25 17:45:39 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:45:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong :) Message-ID: >Hi all! >Just had to say that I got "Angel's Egg" tonite:) WoW! I'm going to be >getting the other two-thirds of the trilogy as soon as possible. >Excellent is just too short a word for this cd. Stupendous would be >better!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more >frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? Well, that is a hard question. First you must know that there are many versions of the band "Gong". It all started when Daevid Allen was kicked out of England, and forced to leave Soft Machine (bummer, since they went on to tour with Jimi Hendrix shortly after that). When he got to France, he founded Gong with Gilli Smyth. Before the first part of the Radio Gnome Trilogy got under way, Gong had already mutated many times. Their first release ever was recorded on an old movie camera mic, and sounded like it was too. i've forgotten what this is called, but it has a really strange line-up, probably only Gilli and Daevid are the only ones from this that are present in the trilogy. The next, I think, was called _Continental Circus_, and was a soundtrack for a film of the same name. Since I haven't heard it, I can't comment. _Camembert Electrique_, their next release, was their first real "Gong" record. It is really good in my opinion, and also has some great riffing in it by good old Divided Alien Allen. Also, some of the terminology that pops up in the trilogy is first seen here (ie. Selene, etc.). What came next was the first part of the trilogy, Flying Teapot. This is also very enjoyable, but noticably less well-produced as the next two albums. Flying Teapot is the sort of introduction to Daevid's mythilogical world of Radio Gnome, which incidentaly all came to him as a vision while under the effects of some very heavy acid. Up next was Angel's Egg, which will always be my favorite Gong album...it is a masterpiece. Steve Hillage blossoms to his full potential, while Pot-head pixies and teapot taxies make for some really far out songwriting. My favorites are "Oily Way", "Sold to the Highest Buddah"...oh, forget it, they're all my favorites. Anyway, the third part of the Trilogy seems to explore new territory, and makes for longer, stretched out jams with a steady bass line and the always spaced out synth thanks to Hi T. Moonweed, aka Tim Blake. "Perfect Mystery" is a song much like songs off of the past albums, while "Master Builder", etc., are even more spaced out than prior Gong. At this point, Gong sort-of reached it's breaking point, and Daevid and his psychedelics went one way, while Pierre Moerlen and straight jazz-fusion went the other way. This jazz version turned into "Pierre Moerlen's Gong", while Daevid sort-of stumbled about and eventually formed New York Gong, plus some went the way of Mother Gong. I'm happy to say that the days of the space-Gong are back, with most of the band from the Trilogy era back together (maybe not any more, but they were last year). I happened to see them last fall here in the US...it was amazing. Daevid really is a strange individual, real entertaining on stage. Oh yeah, Gong released a new CD last year called "Shapeshifter", and in my opinion it is very well done. Get it! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jun 25 18:11:56 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:11:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC - Remember them?? ;-) Message-ID: On 25/9/97 Skip wrote: >Thanks for the web site info. John. And Al, looking forward to the shows. >It is really going to happen! Are tBS advertising the shows in local >music magazines? We're sending out the info today. Not all the dates are confirmed yet. San Diego and LA are still fluid. The others are pretty solid. Al From dahl at AROS.NET Wed Jun 25 19:20:11 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:20:11 -0600 Subject: BOC in SLC Message-ID: Hey Brad! Are you going to the show next week? Are there any other list members from Utah, or who are going to the show? Just wondering, Brad Dahl (not the tallest Brad in Utah) "Here I am, ready to help" Lawrence of Palladium http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 25 19:46:55 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:46:55 -0400 Subject: Underground Zero, Lloyd-Langdon Group CD's? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-23 14:29:40 EDT, you write: > Also, does anyone know what is on the Underground Zero CD (I think it's > called "From Year Zero")? I am particularly curious if the various > "Friends & Relations" material is on it. > > Bye for now > William I am curious to. After listening to "Canes Vena Tice" by Underground Zero on my copy of "Friends & Relations" I would like to hear more! Who are they, exactly? Tony From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jun 25 20:19:56 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:19:56 +0100 Subject: HW: obObservation In-Reply-To: <0kGyxHAV9NszEwg6@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: JonB wrote: >In article <3.0.1.32.19970625005841.006a3d70 at mcmail.com>, Chris >Warburton writes >>ChrisW >> >>ObCDPlayer: Luxman D107u - the one with the valves :-{)> >> > >Seriously? This actually exists? >-- >Jon Browne > Yup, it has a valve output stage (that also drives the 'phone socket). I've even found a place that offers a "hot-rodding" service for them (don't know what they do - probably a clock ugrade & stuff like that). The downside is there's no digital out, so you can't add a DAC, but I can't gripe too much - I bought it off a friend (little used) for 250 notes and he threw in about 125 quids worth of Furukawa interconnects *vbg* It sounds much more "analogue" than most players. ChrisW ObNotHeardANoteToday: Iforgot my walkie and I'm working 16 hr. days in High Wycombe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From HawkLord at AOL.COM Wed Jun 25 20:31:43 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:31:43 -0400 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-25 06:36:34 EDT, you write: > > How about "We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago"? > > Lyrics not even "good"? > > Hey... that may not have the deepest and most moving of lyrics, but I'll be the first to defend it! Sod the lyrics, that's a damn good tune! Tony ObCD: Over The Top - Sonic Assassins From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jun 25 21:01:18 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:01:18 -0400 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" Message-ID: > "no, no they're great LP's" > > Well Shamal is anyway. > i agree. it is great. but vastly removed from daevid allen's stuff. it is so different that one might like one and detest the other, altho' i like both. again, i say flying teapot is the best ever. rj From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Wed Jun 25 21:55:13 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:55:13 +0200 Subject: ORGONE ACCUMULATOR - a new Calvert page Message-ID: hi there the latest update on 'the spirit of the p/age' - the Calvert site an illustrated version of ORGONE ACCUMULATOR - incl.various pics of those fabulous energy stimulators, a certain Mr. W. Reich, real-audio sound file, links... the Calvert site: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future to the ORGONE page via: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calvart.htm by the way: all wav-soundfiles available so far on the Calvert site will be accompanied soon by corresponding real-audio 3.0 files - they do load MUCH faster - its really worth getting the RA player. see you sometime later... k.g. knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Jun 26 14:54:22 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:54:22 EST Subject: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID In-Reply-To: <199706251519.KAA02219@wcic.org>; from "John Majka" at Jun 25, 97 10:19:10 am Message-ID: > > At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > >No, Sorry, > > > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > > Well their newagey stuff,but not toss. > > yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of > typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only > produced the dumbest crap). The music kind of sucks too. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now thats fighting talk.If you had seen Blake play with the Band,you would have to agree that it was bloody good. I admit that he's a bit of a tosser with his clothes sense and new age ideals for want of a better word,but the music is pretty good,its a shame that he didn't stay in the band longer. It has been said that he was recording another album,and hopefully it will be better than Majick was. Anyway Take a fix on lighthouse and home into its beam :-) regards Marty From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 26 00:06:29 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:06:29 -0400 Subject: ORGONE ACCUMULATOR - a new Calvert page In-Reply-To: <199706260155.DAA29529@mail.Contrib.Com> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, VideoFest Berlin wrote: > by the way: > all wav-soundfiles available so far on the Calvert site will be accompanied > soon by corresponding real-audio 3.0 files - they do load MUCH faster - its > really worth getting the RA player. Someone please tell me where I can get the RealAudio player for a DECstation 5000/25 running Ultrix 4.4. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, _Blues for Greeny_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Jun 26 02:59:45 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:59:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: Gong :) Message-ID: ---------- > Fro!! If these guys got really serious, they'd be even more > >frighteningly good:) whoa!! Is the rest of their stuff as well done? > > > Daevid Allen era is all this good. You will want Camberbert Electrique, > You, Radio Gnome Invisible Pt.1 and Magick Brother, Mystick Sister. (in > that order) Gong Live is worth getting as is his solo outing Now Is the > Happiest Time Of Your Life. You may wish to be a little cautious after > the band became Pierre Moerlin's Gong - I am not keen on "Gazeuse" or > "Shamal". they are very different, all instrumental and utterly jazz. I > expect a few "no, no they're great LP's" but there are very different to > Divided Alien's Gong. The album he did with Here & Now - "Floating > Anarchy '77 is also a lo-fo classic. > > Agree with all of those, but where is "Est Mort"?? Right up there w/Angel's Egg, for me. Live '77 reunion, the best instrumental jams... > Jon Browne Charlie From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Jun 26 03:33:16 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:33:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) Message-ID: ---------- > From: Ron But you're still not a good lyricist...I'll think of other > > >examples some time when it's not so late... > > > > > >Charlie > > > > Yes he is. for every "onward crunching, munching men!" there's twenty > > tracks like "The Demented Man". I'll go point for point on this. > > I like a few of the lines, but I think it was just chance? I mean, the lyrics don't make any sense to me... Then again, I'm not demented, so... :) Umm, I didn't mean to say Brock hasn't written any good lyrics, just that he's been inconsistent, and sometimes sounds a tad illiterate. Golden Void, off the top of my head, is good, yes...and Assault, too, yes, though I know we have partly Wordsworth to thank for that... > > How about "We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago"? > > Lyrics not even "good"? > > > > you tell him jon! oohrah! > rj Charlie From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jun 26 03:42:50 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:42:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gong :) Message-ID: Ian R Fines wrote: ( Major Snippage:) ) Oh yeah, Gong released a > new CD last year called "Shapeshifter", and in my opinion it is very well > done. Get it! I have it on order already:) And, I'm in the process of finding a source for the other parts of this trilogy:) I'm already hooked! Thanx muchly for the info, Ian-I appreciate it! Thanx! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On 25 Jun 97 at 10:19, John Majka wrote: > At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > >No, Sorry, > > > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > > > >'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? > > yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of > typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only > produced the dumbest crap). The music kind of sucks too. Am I the only one who actually likes this track? Jill & Marty have defended it well ... but it's also damn good! Sonique (of the velvet lined ears ....) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 26 06:00:19 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UUNET.PIPEX.COM (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:00:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID Message-ID: The music is good, the lyrics....................fnar fnar Mike P ---------- From: Sonique[SMTP:sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au] Sent: 26 June 1997 10:14 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID On 25 Jun 97 at 10:19, John Majka wrote: > At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > >No, Sorry, > > > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > > > >'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? > > yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of > typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only > produced the dumbest crap). The music kind of sucks too. Am I the only one who actually likes this track? Jill & Marty have defended it well ... but it's also damn good! Sonique (of the velvet lined ears ....) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 26 09:35:47 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:35:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Brainstorm lyrics (was: Dumbest lyrics) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > I thought.... > > "This it it, this is it" and at times I heard > "She's there, she's there" but upon further listening i have to concur > the lyrics *are* in fact Cheese-head, Cheese-head. thanx rj Mmm - I see what you mean. I think it differs recording to recording (let's face it, both Dave and Alan are guilty of filling in bits they've forgotten on almost every live recording there is, and the earlier members too possibly), but I think it starts "kisses it" and some recordings cycle through other things, including "this is it," and "she's there", both of which I seem to hear in the Live '79 version... Anyone else with me here? Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 26 10:07:29 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:07:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Dumbest Lyrics (was: Black Sword) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I dunno, I like a lot of Brock's lyrics. "Heads" is a good example. > Never thought to compare them with Calvert's. Calvert was a word worker. > I mean, I _expect_ good lyrics from Calvert. Some of Brock's early lyrics were quite cool, esp. We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago. But once he lost the new age mindset they got less so I think. > Though actually, I'm not really a lyrics person. I'm willing to put > up with silly lyrics if the music is good. I consider good lyrics a bonus. Mind you, the best of Brock's lyrics are both good *and* silly - Social Alliance and Secret Agent come top of the list for me here... Yours, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 26 10:32:23 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:32:23 -0600 Subject: BOC: Club Ninja and Fanzines Message-ID: > >>It's out? Where? The USA? Good luck in finding it. Great new packaging but same old music. > >>Besides, one of the tracks from the new album is on the Summerdaze CD! > >>I saw the disc and didn't really want to get all the other stuff on >there. If the BOC song is the same as one that's going to be on the new >album, I'd rather have the new album. >I have yet to see this one. Not really looking for it though. > Theo>There's a transcription of Reaper in this month's Guitar World. >Cool how the guitar magazines lately have been giving BOC some ink... >theo Guitar Mags are being kind but fanzines continue to stiff the band. Hit Parader put together a list of the 100 best hard rock cd's. BOC got zero mentions. Nirvana had a couple, Kiss had at least three. Ought to make you happy knowing they ranked Rush's 2112 lower than Anthrax. King's X got a nod for Gretchen Goes to Nebraska. An amusing little article for sure. L8er lil' ab "I bleed triple ripple vanilla road monkey I sweat triple ripple vanilla road monkey I cry triple ripple vanilla road monkey I everything triple ripple vanilla road monkey." - Uncle Creamy obcd - Savatage - Handful of Rain > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 26 10:48:41 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:48:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong :) In-Reply-To: <33B21D7A.859@micron.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > I have it on order already:) And, I'm in the process of finding a source > for the other parts of this trilogy:) I'm already hooked! Thanx muchly > for the info, Ian-I appreciate it! If you have _Flying Teapot_, I think the hard work is already behind you. _You_ (and _Angel's Egg_) should be fairly easy to find. My local store had _You_ on the racks at domestic pricing. I believe it (and _Angel's Egg_) are on Caroline Records in the USA, and most shops should be able to order their stuff (Smashing Pumpkins are on Caroline, for example, or at least they were). I echo Charlie's statement about _Est Mort_. This is a superb live album. I prefer it even over the rather scrumptious 25th Anniversary Birthday Party 2CD set that came out recently, even though it covers much the same ground. (Good value, too, at 75+ minutes!) There are excellent versions of "Master Builder" and "Isle of Everywhere," better, I think, than those on the _Live!_ album (which aren't too shabby in themselves). Hunt out _Est Mort_ if you can. I bought mine from the used racks, so I don't know how easy this one is to acquire. Another album to consider that nobody's mentioned thus far is _Fish Rising_. Ostensibly a Steve Hillage solo album, this features so many Gong members to make it essentially a _You_-era Gong album in its own right. If you like _You_ and _Angel's Egg_, you'll no doubt like _Fish Rising_ (especially if you are partial to Hillage's guitar!). It contains two main pieces: "Solar Musick Suite" and "The Salmon Song" (if memory serves), though the latter pales a little alongside the high-octane version on the Steve Hillage _BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert_ CD released contemporaneously with the Hawkwind CD of the same name. Finally, I was tickled to hear that your investigation of Gong was prompted by your being a collector of teapots. I was the other way around! A friend introduced me to Gong, and, for some reason, teapots became sort of an in-joke between us (it's a long story). Another friend is a collector of old kitchen china from the 1930s--50s, so, since coming to the USA, I kind of slipped, unconsciously, into teapot collecting myself. I have a small collection of Hall teapots; mostly the 1--2 cup kind. Good luck with your Gong acquisitions! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Steve Hillage, _BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 25 08:16:40 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:16:40 +0100 Subject: glastonbury 97 In-Reply-To: <9706250956.aa17695@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9706250956.aa17695 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Looks like rain..... 8-( > >jill looks like 10 years worth of rain in one weekend! Are we downhearted?! Mike, I will more likely be looking like a waterproof yeti in blue/black nylon. and green wellies. -- Jon Browne From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jun 26 11:30:35 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:30:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Jacques Cousteau est mort Message-ID: I heard on the news last night that Jacques Cousteau has died of natural causes at the age of 87. Cheers, Paul. obSong: BOC, "Perfect Water" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jun 26 11:58:39 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:58:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jacques Cousteau est mort In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I heard on the news last night that Jacques Cousteau has died of natural > causes at the age of 87. Jacques Cousteau is waiting, and he loves those anchovies. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jun 26 12:01:25 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (sultan of swing (The)) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:01:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Autumn tour Message-ID: Dear all, I have just got the list of gigs taking place at Reading Alleycats, and they claim that Hawkwind will play there on Sept 29th, rather than October 4th. Just keeping you up to date Mike w P.S. Alleycats is a decent venue that is small and lively, with columns in the way of a good view. From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jun 26 13:29:17 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:29:17 -0500 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour Message-ID: There still no other dates posted on the hawwind web site for the u.s. tour besides the ny and ohio shows. With the australian tour pushed back it would would appear hawkwind would have ample time to play many more dates here. Does anybody have any info on possible u.s. dates? I'm dreading the thought of not having enough money to travel to ny to see them. Although the ny show looks like it will be great. Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? And.. if anybody cares(especialy whoever called em geezers) I'm going to see Nazareth thursday night. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 26 04:10:18 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:10:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID In-Reply-To: <199706260354.NAA13481@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199706260354.NAA13481 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn Lawrence writes >I admit that he's a bit of a tosser with his clothes sense What's wrong with silver lame now? :) I have been known to appear similarly attired...What else would one wear in deep space anyway? Jeans and a t-shirt? It all helps contribute to the mood. I feel spacey in my spacesuit anyway, not that I get the chance to wear it much these days. -- Jon Browne ObVale : Avalon, here I come...... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 26 18:43:21 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:43:21 +0100 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour Message-ID: >Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick >Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? Yeah, it's fun, but the Larry Wallis numbers are much better than the Andy Colquhoun ones... top tracks include "Half Price Drinks" and "I Want a Drink". Also "Drunk in the Morning". Chrissie Hynde and Sonja Kristina on backing vox!! Sample lyric: My mind is on the blink I'm like the missing link I need a drink Oh yeah, and a Zappa cover too. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jun 26 19:41:09 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:41:09 +1000 Subject: OFF: Jacques Cousteau est mort Message-ID: At 04:58 PM 26/06/97 +0100, you wrote: >> I heard on the news last night that Jacques Cousteau has died of natural >> causes at the age of 87. > >Jacques Cousteau is waiting, and he loves those anchovies. ....and the bells in random order?? ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 27 00:01:30 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:01:30 BST Subject: Off: MIR Message-ID: Hey ho! This conversation never happened - but then again.... Friendly British Bloke: " Hey guys. Do any of you remember a BBC Radio programme called The Navy Lark" Russian captain: "It voz on Vorld Service, yah? Comedy - vith Jon Petrie - no Pertwee and Kenn'th William?" FBB "Yes that's the one, about an accident prone British navy ship." RC: "Ah yes, they could never manage to dock their boat in the harbour! What vos it they vould say? - the left about - no - it vos the Left Hand about - or down. But vy you raise this now?" FBB: "Well, you know that supply module that we detached a few moments ago to practice docking with? RC: "The one approaching us..... FBB: "Well I wonder if we shouldn't be trying..... RC: "..... rather fast...... " FBB: ".... just a little bit of......" RC: "In fact I think we may be going to.... BOTH: "....Left Hand Down a Bit!" RC: "Oh dear. Ah - Moscow? We seem to have a problem" Bummer 8-( jill Obinaccuracy> weather forecasts! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From makila at CSC.FI Fri Jun 27 05:33:04 1997 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:33:04 +0300 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:43:21 BST." <01BC828D.5BFF7840@host5-99-47-111.btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy's message dated: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:43:21 BST > >Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick > >Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? > > Oh yeah, and a Zappa cover too. Interesting. What is it? Any listenable? //niko From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 27 06:55:05 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:55:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Farren (was RE: hawkwind u.s. tour) Message-ID: >> >Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick >> >Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? >> >> Oh yeah, and a Zappa cover too. > >Interesting. What is it? Any listenable? "Trouble Coming Every Day". It's OK, you have be agreeable to MF's vocals though... - Andy ObCD: Dodge Main (Deniz Tek & Wayne Kramer!) - _Dodge Main_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 27 08:49:24 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:49:24 +1000 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour Message-ID: On 26 Jun 97 at 12:29, Dan Witt wrote: > Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick > Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? This Hawkwind Tour-less Aussie will send you his copy for the postage cost if you are interested ... Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 27 07:41:02 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:41:02 +0100 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" In-Reply-To: <19970626010152917.AAA195@vucqpqlj> Message-ID: re: The Gong album debate In a dim distant universe, I used to own probably about 90% of the Gong LPs (there was an Allen solo album done on a 4-track which I didn't get - which was that?) and really enjoyed them. They opened up a whole new musical sphere to me and Hillage heavily influenced my guitar playing. However, something went seriously wrong (probably my introduction to Zappa) and almost overnight, Gong seemed purile and I just couldn't take all that flying teapot pixie stuff. No matter how good the music, I was whincing so much at the vocals that I could no longer enjoy it. The fusion albums just struck me as being competant but nothing special and one of them was definitely difficult listening. My Gong collection got sold off and I never hanker for the sound. This ramble is merely intended as a warning to those starting off in Gong - you may find the longevity lacking. On the other hand, enjoy it to the full, start making those pixie whooping sounds, chime those tibetan bells and get practising that syncopated wah-wah pedal echoed guitar riff! Oh, and if you're sharing digs, NEVER leave your teapot in the kitchen 'cos one day you'll find it full of mushrooms. From mpower at FCMC.COM Fri Jun 27 10:47:23 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:47:23 -0400 Subject: 21st Century Space Wear Message-ID: Re: Silver Lame in Space >In article <199706260354.NAA13481 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn >Lawrence writes >I admit that he's a bit of a tosser with his clothes sense > >What's wrong with silver lame now? :) I have been known to appear >similarly attired...What else would one wear in deep space anyway? >Jeans >and a t-shirt? It all helps contribute to the mood. I feel spacey in my >spacesuit anyway, not that I get the chance to wear it much these days. > I always figured that people would be wearing jeans, a T-Shirt and a white lab coat with perhaps a few badges on it! or perhaps a layer of cosmic-ray absorbing body paint and a codpiece? :) Space is curved, don't throw too far. Marc -- "SpaceRock is any music that transports your awareness through Space, Mind or Time." - The SpaceRock Manifesto From mpower at FCMC.COM Fri Jun 27 10:52:42 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:52:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Space Alien Pickup Lines - Top ten list Message-ID: And Greg the guitarist in Born to Go, just sent me this... The Top Ten List "Space Alien Pick-Up Lines" As presented on the 06/25/97 broadcast of LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN 10. "How about a close encounter of the pantsless kind?" 9. "Set phasers on love" 8. "Are you a carbon-based model?" 7. "I'd like to wrap my 36 arms around you" 6. "Are you up for some experimental probing?" 5. "Want me to introduce you to E.T.?" 4. "Care to join the Million-Mile High Club?" 3. "Mind if I burst out of your stomach?" 2. "Nice asteroid" 1. "Hi, I'm Michael Jackson" Has anyone else noticed that at the same time as Strange Daze 97 there is the event in Stockholm, Sweden with darXtar? -- "SpaceRock is any music that transports your awareness through Space, Mind or Time." - Axiom 1, The SpaceRock Manifesto From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jun 27 12:14:13 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:14:13 -0600 Subject: OFF:"no, no they're great LP's" Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > re: The Gong album debate > > In a dim distant universe, I used to own probably about 90% of the Gong > LPs (there was an Allen solo album done on a 4-track which I didn't get > - which was that?) and really enjoyed them. They opened up a whole new > musical sphere to me and Hillage heavily influenced my guitar playing. > However, something went seriously wrong (probably my introduction to > Zappa) and almost overnight, Gong seemed purile and I just couldn't take > all that flying teapot pixie stuff. No matter how good the music, I was > whincing so much at the vocals that I could no longer enjoy it. The > fusion albums just struck me as being competant but nothing special and > one of them was definitely difficult listening. My Gong collection got > sold off and I never hanker for the sound. This ramble is merely > intended as a warning to those starting off in Gong - you may find the > longevity lacking. On the other hand, enjoy it to the full, start making > those pixie whooping sounds, chime those tibetan bells and get > practising that syncopated wah-wah pedal echoed guitar riff! Oh, and if > you're sharing digs, NEVER leave your teapot in the kitchen 'cos one day > you'll find it full of mushrooms. My Teapot(s) are carefully displayed in a case and amongst the large book collection. I have yet to have these pixies put anything interesting in them:(. Darn. I sure am enjoying the goofiness right now! Oh-at last count theres about 40 of them. Any contributions are welcome! Gads how I'd like to find an actual "Flying Teapot" _I'd add that one in a heartbeat, jut for the nuttiness of it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >ObCD: Dodge Main (Deniz Tek & Wayne Kramer!) - _Dodge Main_ I've been lucky to see these guys about 5 times... Don't forget Gary Rasmuessen from The UP on bass and Scott Morgan from the Rationals on vocals. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Jun 27 16:21:11 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:21:11 -0400 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour Message-ID: >> Oh yeah, and a Zappa cover too. > >Interesting. What is it? Any listenable? "Trouble Coming Every Day"...it's alright. I prefer the earlier Deviants stuff, tho. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com NeW Radical Homepage: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Fri Jun 27 17:07:20 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:07:20 +0200 Subject: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: once again:hi there the latest latest update on 'the spirit of the p/age' - the Calvert site an illustrated version of 'Welcome to the Future' -plus real-audio sound file - ra 3.0 for 28.8 connection, new image @: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/wofuture.htm you are welcome to: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ k.g. transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 27 19:28:42 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:28:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dodge Main, Deviants (was RE: hawkwind u.s. tour)) Message-ID: >>ObCD: Dodge Main (Deniz Tek & Wayne Kramer!) - _Dodge Main_ > >I've been lucky to see these guys about 5 times... >Don't forget Gary Rasmuessen from The UP on bass and Scott Morgan from >the Rationals on vocals. Jammy bastard! :) Was Deniz with them - on the Divine Rites site it said maybe he wasn't? Rasmuessen's not on the album, btw, the bass there is by Paul Ill (who's also on the Deviants ixvi record - it's a very small world). Whatever, it's kind of a dream team! >"Trouble Coming Every Day"...it's alright. I prefer the earlier Deviants >stuff, tho. Am I missing any Farren/Deviants records from this list (the only one of these I don't actually have is _Ptooff!_, not that I'm a kollektor or anything :)): Deviants: Ptooff! Disposable The Deviants Human Garbage MF and the Deviants: Screwed Up (EP) MF: Broken Statue (7") Mona - the Carnivorous Circus Vampires Stole my Lunch Money MF's Tijuana Bible: Gringo Madness MF and Jack Lancaster: The Deathray Tapes Deviants ixvi: Eating Jello With a Heated Fork Guest shot: Wayne Kramer's _Death Tongue_ Lyrics for other artists: "Lost Johnny" (HW/Motorhead), "Keep Us on the Road" and "Damage Case" (MH), loads of stuff for Wayne Kramer (There's also a comp from the early stuff, the splendidly titled _Partial Recall_.) At this moment, I'd say my favourites are Human Garbage (live, with Larry Wallis, Duncan Sanderson and Wayne Kramer) and Gringo Madness; I don't spin the old Deviants LPs that often, but The Deviants (the one with the lollipop-sucking nun on the cover) is pretty solid too, with party faves like "The Junior Narco-Rangers" and "Black George Does It With His Tongue" as well as lots of Paul Rudolph freakouts. I always found _Mona_ a bit stodgy, but I might have to give it a go... - Andy ObQuote: "On a warm night, he'd take his drink down to the terrace, and watch the movements of the whores on Revolution Plaza" - Mick Farren -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 27 20:24:38 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 01:24:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Lighthouse is STOOPID In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Sonique wrote: > On 25 Jun 97 at 10:19, John Majka wrote: > > > At 08:40 AM 6/23/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >No, Sorry, > > > > > >The Lyrics to Lighthouse are utter unmitigated toss. > > > > > >'light the lasers in your heaaaaaart' What is that?? > > > > yes, I've always hated the STOOPID lyrics to Lighthouse (which are sort of > > typical of that 70's prog "I'm so deep" lyrical movement which usually only > > produced the dumbest crap). The music kind of sucks too. > > Am I the only one who actually likes this track? Jill & Marty have defended > it well ... but it's also damn good! I'll side with Paul on this one - the lyrics are indeed hippy to the point of saccharin poisoning but Tim Blake can't half play synths. Shapes up quite well with the rest of the band too, although in the same way as you can't really call `Motorhead' a Hawkwind track because it's so pervasively Lemmy I'm not sure I'd really call this one either - but then I've argued the same thing about Levitation once or twice, and also the reverse, that it's tracks like these that show how Hawkwind has been flexible enough to survive as long as it has. ?0.02.. Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 27 20:49:38 1997 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:49:38 -0400 Subject: OFF Gong Message-ID: Gong Discoverer, While you're hot on the trail, I recommend the pre-trilogy Gong record Camembert Electrique and the early Daevid Allen solo albums, ESPECIALLY Banana Moon, also Good Morning, and Now is the Happiest Time of Your Life! All these gems are well worth tracking down. Steve Defoe From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 27 21:12:30 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:12:30 +0200 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: Remember who ? BOC ? Never heard of 'em. Someone I should know ? ;-) Seriously, though, I just got back from a 2 weeks trip to Wisconsin. While I was there, I finally found a copy of ETL. I have all the BOC studio albums, the 3 lives being the only BOC albums I still missed. One down, two to go *grin* Anyway, I wanted to comment a little on this album. Especially on three tracks, the three which stuck out the most, for one reason or another. First, "Dr. Music". I already mentioned before that I didn't like this song. Well... I do now. Or rather, I like THIS version. I was impressed. It sounds much more convincing live, heavier, more... uh... BOC-ish ? Then "Roadhouse Blues". Cooooooooooooooool ;-)) This song is one of the reasons why I wanted to buy the album. It's not on any other, and also I was curious of hearing BOC singing the blues ! *grin* And it was well worth hearing. I just absolutely love this song. Finally, "Veteran of the psychic wars". One of my all-time favorite BOC tune. This time it was the other way around. I was first disappointed. I mean the music was fine, and then suddenly the singing began. I even wonder if it's the same singer as on the studio version (whoever is it on the studio version anyway ? Eric ?). It just didn't sound as good for some reason. As if the singer wasn't having fun and just singing along or something. Weird. OTOH, I absolutely loved (and still love) the long instrumental insert towards the end, with all the guitar solos and stuff. Really cool. And, oddly enough, the singing doesn't bother me as much after a few listens. I still like the original singing better, though... Well, that's it, folks... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 27 21:12:36 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:12:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: Where to find prog records in WI ? Message-ID: Well, as I've said elsewhere, I just got back from WI... and am already planning to go back there ! Actually, I'm gonna move to Wisconsin, for good, in late August. So, my question to all of you who already live out there is... what's a good place to buy prog rock material ? I'll be living about an hour away from Appleton. If there's a good place there, or in Madison, Milwaukee, or even Chicago, I'm interested. Or anywhere else near those places, of course. Won't go all the time, but once in a while could be fun... Lemme know via private e-mail, okay ? Thanks ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jun 27 21:12:33 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:12:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: While I was in Wisconsin, I discovered Savatage. I'd barely heard of them before. And you know what ? With just the two albums I've heard from them these last 2 weeks, they've already become one of my favorite bands ! I first heard "Edge of thorns" and I thought hey, that's a pretty cool band. I didn't like all the songs, but I love the title track and - most of all - "Follow me" is awesome. Progressive rock at its best, even though the rest of the album doesn't sound much progressive. All the more reason for me to be impressed. Then I heard "Handful of rain" and that was it. I'm hooked. Didn't happen right away. The first song, I still don't like much (way too heavy for me, I guess) and most of the other tracks took a few listens for me to get into. Others, like "Chance", "Castles burning" or "Symmetry", I instantly loved. What surprised me the most here, is that this album is completely progressive (except for 2 or 3 tracks). And the lyrics... the lyrics are really fabulous. "Chance" is without doubt my favorite Savatage song. And is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites, period (though it'll take a few months, maybe years, to check if it really is). A perfect example of what prog is all about - at least, to me. I highly recommend this album to any prog rock fan. Every song on it works for me (except for the first one, and "Nothing's going on", which is also a bit too heavy for my taste). It's an amazing album. For some reason, I keep thinking of Queensryche and Metallica when I listen to Savatage. Maybe because of the singer's voice, I dunno. Reminds me also a little of an obscure French hard rock band (Sortil?ge) from the early 80's which only released two (fabulous) albums. BTW, just for the heck of it, I tried www.savatage.com and it actually worked ! Turned out to be the band's official website. Check it out if you want to know more. It kicks ass. The band's material too, for that matter ;-) Hey, if there's any Savatage fan reading this, what other album would you recommend ? "Hall of the Mountain King" and "Gutter Ball" both sound very interesting... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 27 22:23:26 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 03:23:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bye bye Message-ID: Dear All, well, I graduated today and tomorrow I go home - knowing not when I will next have net access, and so, reluctantly, I am forced to leave you. It's been great fun and I hope it'll still be going when I make it back into the academic world and get near a keyboard I can temporarily call my own again. Ezekiel's Wheel will now come out while my back is turned. I shall expect thanks... See you all back here whenever, yours, Jazza (and when I get back I shall ditch that handle, I've grown out of it... ) /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jun 28 01:06:11 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 01:06:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >Remember who ? BOC ? Never heard of 'em. Someone I should know ? ;-) >Finally, "Veteran of the psychic wars". One of my all-time favorite BOC >tune. This time it was the other way around. I was first disappointed. I >mean the music was fine, and then suddenly the singing began. I even wonder >if it's the same singer as on the studio version (whoever is it on the >studio version anyway ? Eric ?). It just didn't sound as good for some >reason. As if the singer wasn't having fun and just singing along or >something. Weird. OTOH, I absolutely loved (and still love) the long >instrumental insert towards the end, with all the guitar solos and stuff. >Really cool. And, oddly enough, the singing doesn't bother me as much after >a few listens. I still like the original singing better, though... Actually, I much prefer the ETL vocals for VotPW. It sounds weary, tired, drained. I think this fits perfectly with the theme of the song, whether intentional or not. If he was getting rather weary of being on tour, and thought it was just going on and on with no end, etc, well... that's appropriate for the song. I find it one of Eric's best vocals. Eric sings both, BTW. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jun 28 01:14:46 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 01:14:46 -0400 Subject: Blast from the Past Message-ID: Heiy ZZ ZZ Hey I've been away for a while and have only had access thro a weird-ass terminal that only lets me read meassages and not send them. My only subscription since February has been to irock, Hi guys. At the moment I am on vacation in Virginia and found a compuserve link. So wot is happenin on BOC_L, I shudder to ask :-) Mike, Steve, Paul??? Is there anybody out there? Fill me in. Send me a short message to this email (not to the list) and let me know, if things are still rolling. After 6 mos on unemployment, I have landed a job at Thomas Jefferson (traitor to the Brits) University and will try to reconnect ASAP My editor is packin in man. I couldn't even go bacvk and put a smiley next to my communt about TJ Hopim to rejoin soon Best regards Martyn From asg at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jun 28 01:24:40 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:24:40 +0200 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >Actually, I much prefer the ETL vocals for VotPW. It sounds weary, >tired, drained. I think this fits perfectly with the theme of >the song, whether intentional or not. If he was getting rather >weary of being on tour, and thought it was just going on and on >with no end, etc, well... that's appropriate for the song. I find >it one of Eric's best vocals. Hmmm... that's an interesting point of view. I hadn't thought of it that way. You do have a point. I'll have to give the live version another listen with that in mind... >Eric sings both, BTW. That's what I thought but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the info :-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Jun 28 07:02:44 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:02:44 +0100 Subject: Off: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: <33B2A6ED.784D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: >From Dan Witt: >Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick >Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? I can remember it coming out, though I'm not sure if I ever heard any of it - shortly before this, The Deviants got back together to record an EP for Stiff - "SCREWED UP" (Stiff LAST 4) A: OUTRAGEOUS/CONTAGEOUS (Farren/Rudolph/Wallis) LET'S LOOT THE SUPERMARKET AGAIN (LIKE WE DID LAST SUMMER) (Farren/Rudolph) B: SCREWED UP (Farren/Rudolph) SHOCK HORROR ?O?? LOOMING (Farren/WALLIS) Note: all spellings from the label ;) It's all fairly raucous (but funny) pub-rock/punk hybrid. I can't actually read the full title of B2 because of the punch-out slots; the track is a skit on tabloid newspapers. A2 is a hoot too "Come on ev'rybody let's loot Tesco, Whiiile we got a chance". It's P & C 1977, produced by Larry Wallis. Side A run off groove has "GABBA GABBA MAYBE" scratched in the matrix, while side B says "IS LEW LEWIS A NONE GOING SITUATION". All in all, a typical early Stiff release. Brought to you by the desdinova musical trivia service. ChrisW "If it ain't Stiff, it ain't worth a F*ck" ObInCarEntertainment:Alligator Records Twentieth Birthday Collection From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Jun 28 07:09:31 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:09:31 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: <01BC828D.5BFF7840@host5-99-47-111.btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote in reply to Dan: >>Off the subject a bit. I've been looking for while for a copy of Mick >>Farren's Vampires Stole my Lunch Money. Anybody here ever heard it? > >Yeah, it's fun, but the Larry Wallis numbers are much better than the Andy >Colquhoun ones... top tracks include "Half Price Drinks" and "I Want a >Drink". Also "Drunk in the Morning". Chrissie Hynde and Sonja Kristina on >backing vox!! I suppose | should have expected Andy to beat me on this one :-{)> ChrisW ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Jun 27 20:24:59 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:24:59 -0400 Subject: hawkwind u.s. tour)) Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:28:42 +0100 Andrew Gilham writes: >>>ObCD: Dodge Main (Deniz Tek & Wayne Kramer!) - _Dodge Main_ >> >>I've been lucky to see these guys about 5 times... >>Don't forget Gary Rasmuessen from The UP on bass and Scott Morgan >from >>the Rationals on vocals. > >Jammy bastard! :) Was Deniz with them - on the Divine Rites site it >said >maybe he wasn't? Rasmuessen's not on the album, btw, the bass there >is by >Paul Ill (who's also on the Deviants ixvi record - it's a very small >world). Whatever, it's kind of a dream team! Deniz was with them the first time I saw them, which was last fall. A few days ago I saw them playing at a big rally in Detroit. Kramer and his solo band were their, too. I then proceeded to see Wayne and his band at a small club two days later! It all pays off living in the motor city. >Am I missing any Farren/Deviants records from this list (the only one >of >these I don't actually have is _Ptooff!_, not that I'm a kollektor or >anything :)): Isn't there a _Deviants III_? Which one has the album cover with a picture of the band (very muddled)? I don't have this one, but have seen it around...I think it must be an early one. Oh yeah...I sort-of like _Mona_...the spoken word parts a really funny, too. "There was this Irish guy...and then we beat the living shit out of him". From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jun 28 14:24:17 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:24:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Hey, if there's any Savatage fan reading this, what other album would you > recommend ? "Hall of the Mountain King" and "Gutter Ball" both sound very > interesting... I'm not a big Savatage fan, but I think "Streets" and "Gutter Ballet" are the best. Jerry From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Jun 28 13:58:28 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:58:28 -0400 Subject: HW/Harvey: more Red Shifts? Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just saw this mention from Ivor at Delerium...does this mean there are going to be three discs called 'Red Shift' coming out this year? Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ BTW sorry the Delerium website is so out of date, we've been busy with recent releases (...Omnia Opera - Red Shift...) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Jun 28 12:52:17 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:52:17 -0600 Subject: OFF Gong Message-ID: Steven Defoe wrote: > > Gong Discoverer, > > While you're hot on the trail, I recommend the pre-trilogy Gong record > Camembert Electrique and the early Daevid Allen solo albums, ESPECIALLY > Banana Moon, also Good Morning, and Now is the Happiest Time of Your Life! > All these gems are well worth tracking down. > > Steve Defoe Thank you!! shall do-as soon as I get my RGI Box set-finally located it!! Also ordered their latest:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi! I'm looking for Eloy's "Floating" on CD! Anyone have an extra copy "floating" around? I'll also post this to the Eloy list-as soon as I can remember just where I put the address:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi, I listen to Space Bandits album and find strange name Buckley on Out of the shadows song. Who is he/ she? Miikka From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Jun 29 15:07:20 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: HW: tapes of recent shows? Message-ID: Speaking of the recent HW gig with the new lineup etc.... did anyone record this show? I would certainly be interested in obtaining a tape of this show and of Huw Lloyd-Langton's set as well. Email me if you can help me out. I have about 300 bootlegs (mainly HW, but lots of other bands as well) and so maybe we could trade? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Jun 29 16:10:45 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:10:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Another Bye Message-ID: hi folks, I'm about to disappear, as my employment @ eka.ericsson.se will end within 24 hrs. only the Mighty Hawk knows the address of my future Internet Account. there has been fun to be a part of this list - I hope I'll see you soon... best - \\joe From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sun Jun 29 16:57:00 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: hw:space bandits Message-ID: In a message dated 97-06-29 08:37:41 EDT, you write: << LISTSERV >> From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jun 29 17:37:52 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:37:52 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren Message-ID: I see from MF's home page that Ken Matsutani's excellent Captain Trip label is putting out some ancient Deviants stuff on CD - including "Fragments of Broken Probes", which is new to me... might have to mail order it from Japan... Also that Adrian Shaw was in the Deviants line-up for Terrastock (obHW) ... I *think* _Deviants 3_ is the same as _The Deviants_ (the one with the nun), which was the third Deviants album, but if not, well there you go, never said I knew everything :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sdragon at PORTAL.CONNECT.AB.CA Sun Jun 29 12:27:59 1997 From: sdragon at PORTAL.CONNECT.AB.CA (Chris Krause) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:27:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Unsubscribing Message-ID: I'm going to be away for about six weeks, and could someone refresh me on how to un-subscribe from the group (and, of course, re-subscribe when I get back).. I thought I still had the FAQ, but alas, no. Also, just to toss in some on-topic material: Anyone living up here in Canada going to the tour that's coming around these parts (specifically, western Canada/prairies). From what I gather, it's an outdoor type deal, with about 15 bands bands incluiding BOC, Kansas, and some others I don't remember.. Headlined by George Thorogood. Sounds like a show to see, but I'll miss it.. :( From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Jun 30 03:35:42 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:35:42 +1000 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: At 01:06 AM 28/06/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Remember who ? BOC ? Never heard of 'em. Someone I should know ? ;-) > >>Finally, "Veteran of the psychic wars". One of my all-time favorite BOC >>tune. This time it was the other way around. I was first disappointed. I >>mean the music was fine, and then suddenly the singing began. I even wonder >>if it's the same singer as on the studio version (whoever is it on the >>studio version anyway ? Eric ?). It just didn't sound as good for some >>reason. As if the singer wasn't having fun and just singing along or >>something. Weird. OTOH, I absolutely loved (and still love) the long >>instrumental insert towards the end, with all the guitar solos and stuff. >>Really cool. And, oddly enough, the singing doesn't bother me as much after >>a few listens. I still like the original singing better, though... > >Actually, I much prefer the ETL vocals for VotPW. It sounds weary, >tired, drained. I think this fits perfectly with the theme of >the song, whether intentional or not. If he was getting rather >weary of being on tour, and thought it was just going on and on >with no end, etc, well... that's appropriate for the song. I find >it one of Eric's best vocals. > >Eric sings both, BTW. > >=================================== >Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however >Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those >http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. >(Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman >==================================== We don't mention this album much, do we? When I first bought it I was quite disappointed. In fact, I thought it was a very ordinary piece of work. Didn't play it for years. Then I picked it up again about 2 years ago (I guess) and discovered how GOOD some versions really were, especially VotPW, ETI (though I'd probably like any version of this one) and Reaper - I even started thinking more kindly about Dr. Music. Anyway, now I say that this VotPW is one of the highlights of all BOC music. As Andew said, the vocals set the mood, and Buck's soloing, well, it never fails to send a shiver down my spine. And perhaps because it's a live recording, I like the sense of "space" I get, as in open landscape or wasteland. Pete. ObCD: Argus - Wishbone Ash ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 30 06:24:54 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:24:54 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80@mcmail.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80 at mcmail.com>, Chris Warburton writes >ChrisW > >ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 Well worth the effort as it goes ! Bloody glad I went! I'm pretty knackered after all that walking, tho'! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 30 06:15:53 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:15:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Jacques Cousteau est mort In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "sultan of swing (The)" writes > >Jacques Cousteau is waiting, and he loves those anchovies. My thoughts exactly. See H & N much? -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 30 08:34:55 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:34:55 +1000 Subject: OFF: Peter Hammill Message-ID: Hi All, Here's an "OzHawk's" review of the recent Peter Hammill gig in Sydney (I missed the Melbourne one :( Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:36:46 +1000 (EST) To: paul at pcmicro.com.au From: s.overmyer at uws.EDU.AU (Stephen Overmyer) Subject: Peter Hammill Paul, As promised,here's a brief(?) review of Peter Hammill's Sydney show from last Thursday.Feel free to put it on the Oz Hawks mailing list if you think it's worthwile or just read and delete.I won't mind. Last Thursday on a cold wet winter's night an enthusiastic audience was treated to a truly wonderful performance by a gifted enigmatic man. Peter Hammill at 49 has lost nothing of his ability to give his audience a passionate,inspired performance. Tall and thin and a little grey on the sides these days,he was graceful, polite and friendly on stage,even to a yob who was calling out for some song both PH and the rest of us didn't recognize.I think he may have got the night mixed up with a Jimmy Barnes/Cold Chisel gig. Alone on stage with a grand piano and his acoustic guitar,Peter played for the best part of two hours an eclectic mix of his excellent solo work from over the years and plundered the Van Der Graaf Generator vaults to breathe new life into some incredibly complex music with arrangements to suit solo piano.This worked brilliantly and I was thrilled how well the VDGG pieces stood the test of time. And he was working hard! He put his all into the music and as most of the pieces played lasted up to 10 minutes,and he was the only musician on stage, he was pretty exhausted by the end of each song.But he just shook out his fingers,wiped the sweat away and through himself into the next one. I now wish I had taken notes as to the set list but unfortunately did not and whilst most of the set sounded familiar,the names of many of the pieces from his solo work now escape me. The show opened with 'My Room (Waiting for Wonderland)'-(VDGG-Still Life) and followed with some solo material both old and new and possibly another VDGG track all on piano. Then he moved to his acoustic guitar and proceeded to work just as hard. Performing flawlessly,he kept his audience in awe as he played songs like 'The Tail that Chased the Comet'and other familiar pieces whose names now also escape me. Then it was back to the piano for the final third of the evening with more PH and VDGG songs including,for me,the evening's highlight.A beautiful passionate version of probably my favourite VDGG song 'Still Life'(from Still Life) I will never forget it. He then politely thanked his audience and left the stage looking thoroughly worn out,but the response from the audience of PH fans and the loud and undying calls for an encore saw him soon back to finish with 'Refugees' (VDGG-The Least We Could Do Is Wave To Each Other) A magnificant song that we all knew and was immediately met with hearty applause as he began to play. With that he thanked us and departed from the stage and his most appreciative audience leaving us with our memories of a brief glimpse into the world of one of modern music's most gifted,albeit obscure singer/songwriters and I felt privileged to have been part of this rare opportunity to see him in Australia,possibly for the first time ?I'm not sure if he's ever been here before. If he ever returns don't miss him what ever you do,even if not all that familiar with his material.My sister-in-law was among the 4 of us who went and she had never heard of him but she left very impressed indeed.For the rest of us,he was preaching to the converted. What we witnessed was pure magic and I am most grateful to the Ozhawk list for mentioning that he was in Australia.Without it I would never have found out in time to book tickets and get to Sydney where I rarely venture, although if Hawkwind make it,a sonic attack won't keep me away ! This'brief'review ended up anything but,sorry about that, but I find it hard to talk about Peter Hammill in only a few words as I just can't fit in all of the superlatives necessary to describe this wonderful man. Steve O. The 'not at all biased' PH/VDGG fan and 'the old bastard' Hawkwind fan -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 30 08:50:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:50:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: I have one Savatage CD in my collection - Dead Winter Dead. It's a rock opera based on the strife in the area formerly known as Yugoslavia, and, while a very metal-based sound, I was actually quite moved by the CD, especially when reading the accompanying story in the liner notes. I've been meaning to pick up another Savatage CD or two, but always seem to end up buying something else instead, but I really liked the sound of this album. A little story on how I came to pick up this particular album -- I was on a business trip in Florida in December of 1995 (St. Petersburg area). Turns out BOC was playing in St. Pete the night I was scheduled to get there, so I made plans to try and get to the club in time (my flight wasn't due to land until around 9 pm or so, and then of course I had to get my car rental, get on the highway, find the club, etc). My flight was late enough that I managed to get to the club just 15 minutes before BOC hit the stage. The show was a good one (as they all are), and it was my first chance to see Danny Miranda in concert, so that was cool -- what was special was that the band did "Slow Down" for an encore, with "local" guitarist Al Pitrelli jamming with the band. He played Eric's guitar and he was excellent. Then, a few days later on my business trip, one of my co- workers is asking me about this sound that was getting a lot of local airplay - she had heard it was a local act, that the song was from some sort of music based on the Yugoslavia stuff, and the tune was based on a classical piece of Christmas music. She was hoping to find out more so that she could pick up the CD - I happened to stop at a music store to try and find out what this was, and found Savatage's "Dead Winter Dead" - the album which contained the song (I think the song was called "Christmas Eve/1994 - Sarajevo"), and I also happened to pick up a local rock zine that had an article on Savatage and this album -- from reading this article, I saw that Al Pitrelli, the guy I saw jamming with BOC a few days earlier, was one of the guitarists on the album. If I had any doubts about buying this album, that little coincidence convinced me to pick it up -- and I have no regrets that I did. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 30 08:59:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:59:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: I think ETL suffered a somewhat bad rap because people were getting a bit tired of BOC live albums by that point - it was early in the game compared to the kind of complaining that happens now, but the "We don't need another version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" mentality was probably started by the release of this album. Not only that, but 3 of the songs on ETL were just released on *Fire of Unknown Origin*. Several other of the tracks were on other live albums. So, despite what I think is an album that captured BOC's sound at that point, it's kinda unnecessary on a lot of fronts. Oh, and one other thing - this album was of course released after Albert had left the band, yet 2 of the tracks feature Albert's drumming, and Albert is included in the album's artwork (actually, it kinda looks like Rick Downey may have been drawn in later - i.e., the artist had done the picture with the original 5, but had to add Rick after Albert had left). And speaking of Rick, I know Bolle (as a drummer) did not like the editing job that was done on Rick's drum fills on "Cities on Flame" >Then "Roadhouse Blues". Cooooooooooooooool ;-)) This song is one of the reasons why I wanted to buy the album. It's not on any other, and also I was curious of hearing BOC singing the blues ! *grin* And it was well worth hearing. I just absolutely love this song. This track is probably the main reason to have this album, and it shows very well why BOC is not only a great band for their own music, but can play some smokin' cover tunes as well. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 30 09:17:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:17:21 EDT Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: > I think ETL suffered a somewhat bad rap because people were getting a bit > tired of BOC live albums by that point - it was early in the game compared > to the kind of complaining that happens now, but the "We don't need another > version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" mentality was probably started by the > release of this album. Not only that, but 3 of the songs on ETL were just > released on *Fire of Unknown Origin*. Several other of the tracks were And another problem with ETL was that the band could have used it to truly correct the 'sins of ommission and commission' and dug up some great live songs that hadn't made it to a live recording yet, cf 'Flaming Telepaths,' 'Stairway,' and a proper 'Buck's Boogie' come to mind. All great songs that BOC kicked ass on live but were never issued on a live recording. Were BOC reluctant to release more old stuff that featured Al since they unceremoniously booted him from the band? If so, why include 2 tracks that he played on? Sort of unfair to Rick, in a way... > >Then "Roadhouse Blues". Cooooooooooooooool ;-)) This song is one of the > reasons why I wanted to buy the album. It's not on any other, and also I was > curious of hearing BOC singing the blues ! *grin* And it was well worth > hearing. I just absolutely love this song. > > This track is probably the main reason to have this album, and it shows > very well why BOC is not only a great band for their own music, but can > play some smokin' cover tunes as well. > > John As much as I dig both Robbie and Buck's playing, I can't tell who is doing what. Anyone know which speaker is Buck and which is Robbie? I agree that Roadhouse Blues [BTW, the registered name of one of my dogs!] is a treat. Cool to see BOC jamming with a guy who helped pave the way for their kind of music... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jun 30 09:20:15 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:20:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >We don't mention this album much, do we? Well, despite the below it still has many flaws, from song selection to... other stuff. Some tracks aren't even worth comparing to other versions, like 'Black Blade'... But the VotPW is enough to make me pull it out now and then. >When I first bought it I was quite disappointed. In fact, I thought it was a >very ordinary piece of work. Didn't play it for years. Then I picked it up >again about 2 years ago (I guess) and discovered how GOOD some versions >really were, especially VotPW, ETI (though I'd probably like any version of >this one) and Reaper - I even started thinking more kindly about Dr. Music. >Anyway, now I say that this VotPW is one of the highlights of all BOC music. >As Andew said, the vocals set the mood, and Buck's soloing, well, it never >fails to send a shiver down my spine. And perhaps because it's a live >recording, I like the sense of "space" I get, as in open landscape or wasteland. and I especially like the artwork on the back of it... That's one I'd like a poster of. >ObCD: Argus - Wishbone Ash Great album. especially "Warrior"... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jun 30 10:02:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:02:04 -0600 Subject: Savatage, an opinion Message-ID: From: "Alex S. Garcia" Subject: OFF: Savatage >I first heard "Edge of thorns" and I thought hey, that's a pretty cool band. I didn't like all the songs, but I love the title track and - most of all - "Follow me" is awesome. Progressive rock at its best, even though the rest of the album doesn't sound much progressive. All the more reason for me to be impressed. This was Cris Oliva's (guitarist and brother of Jon who provides musical direction, keys and additional guitar) last album. Title song is great and its a good mixture of progressive and plain rock and roll. Conversation Piece is a heavy, heavy number. >Then I heard "Handful of rain" and that was it. I'm hooked. Didn't happen right away. The first song, I still don't like much (way too heavy for me, I guess) and most of the other tracks took a few listens for me to get into. Others, like "Chance", "Castles burning" or "Symmetry", I instantly loved. What surprised me the most here, is that this album is completely progressive (except for 2 or 3 tracks). And the lyrics... the lyrics are really fabulous. The first post-Cris album (dedication inside the sleeve). Skolnick played on this one and his work is very good. Title track is an awesome song that would have been big in any of the last three decades. Songs like Chance are real indicative of Jon Oliva's style. This one is superb and ranks as my favorite. Stare into the Sun has some nice flavor for me. >"Chance" is without doubt my favorite Savatage song. And is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites, period (though it'll take a few months, maybe years, to check if it really is). A perfect example of what prog is all about - at least, to me. I highly recommend this album to any prog rock fan. Every song on it works for me (except for the first one, and "Nothing's going on", which is also a bit too heavy for my taste). It's an amazing album. Taunting Cobras? Man that sucker rocks! The heavy numbers carry lead and the ochestratal numbers are uh, well orchestrated. >For some reason, I keep thinking of Queensryche and Metallica when I listen to Savatage. Maybe because of the singer's voice, I dunno. Reminds me also a little of an obscure French hard rock band (Sortilege) from the early 80's which only released two (fabulous) albums. Perhaps very early Queensryche (Warning, Rage, Mindcrime), can't really speak for Metallica though. Have you checked out Q'ryche's Hear in the Now Frontier? I'm thinking King's X. >BTW, just for the heck of it, I tried www.savatage.com and it actually worked ! Turned out to be the band's official website. Check it out if you want to know more. It kicks ass. The band's material too, for that matter ;-) Hey, if there's any Savatage fan reading this, what other album would you recommend ? "Hall of the Mountain King" and "Gutter Ball" both sound very interesting... Well I'm certainly a fan of this band and offer the following. Someone already said that Streets, A Rock Opera and Gutter Ballet are pretty good. I have heard pieces of Streets and its in a similar vien to Edge and Rain. If you like the progressive stuff then you should look for Dead Winter Dead, Al Pitrelli on guitar). Another pet peeve of this band, besides a new guitarist every cd, is concept albums, (Streets, Winter). Winter is about the war in Bosnia and I think you would like that one a lot. There was a Christmas project put together by Oliva called the Trans Siberian Orchestra, featured Zak, Jon and another band member or two and I think guys from bands like Shadow Gallery and Dream Theater. I have yet to find this one but have heard good things about it. I will warn you about early Savatage though, specifically things like Power of Night, Sirens, and Fight For the Rock. They sound nothing like the recent work. Power is very one dimensional and tries to come off sounding sinister like Sabbath or something. Jon Oliva is great on keys and plays a pretty good guitar but he's no lead singer. Power is laughable compared to Rain or Edge. On its own its probably a fair to middling rock and roll cd. One other thing to be on the lookout for, A live CD from a tour of Japan. I have a many generations reemoved video featuring Dream Theater, Queensryche (Promise Land tour) and Savatage in Japan. Songs like Taunting Cobra's, Conversation Piece, Skraggy's Tomb come off real well live. You might be dissapointed with Chance as they do not play the orchestratal change up like the studio version. Still this concert rocks. Its mostly comprised of songs from Rain and Edge but includes a couple from Gutter Ballet and Streets. Highly recommended. Well thats my take, go for Dead Winter Dead, Streets and perhaps Gutter Ballet and avoid the early stuff with perhaps the exception of Mountain King. Don't know about the songs on that one but its a tres kewl cover. L8er lil' ab "It smells like danger, or heavily fried foods." - The Tick OB CD - Threshold, Wounded Land <-------This is a great Prog Rock choice for you Alex. From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Mon Jun 30 10:43:24 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:43:24 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Chat Log part 1 Message-ID: Hello Friends: A couple months ago The Artist Shop had an IRC Chat with Buck Dharma. Since I finally got around to editing the chat log, I thought I'd share this with the rest of you. Buck was communicating with us from Alaska at the time and after the chat had to high tail it off to soundcheck. Although Buck was apologetic about his typing skills, I found him to be pretty quick and accurate in that area. Enjoy! ************************************************************ Hi, folks, sorry to zap you with the moderation, but things are ready to get underway. I'm Ready! I first want to point out Agent who is my assistant tonight. If you want to ask a question of Buck, just shoot it to Agent in a private message. If this is your first time on IRC, just double click on Agent to send him a private message. You are in an Artist Shop IRC Chat. Tonight our guest is Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult. Unfortunately Buck is IRC Challenged being on AOHell, but, the good news is that I am both in this chat room and on AOL simultaneously communicating with Buck. So, I will furiously be pasting your questions to him and his answers back to the room. Gary, are we ready to get questions? First, we'll start with a general greeting from Buck. Hi everybody, I'm Buck Dharma. I've been the lead guitar player for the Blue Oyster Cult since its formation, and I play much better than I type.. : ) OK, Agent, ready for the questions. Shoot questions to me, folks! FROM T0RG0: Buck, I missed your last trip through Upstate NY, when are you coming back up? While Buck is formulating his answer, I should mention that BOC is touring right now. Buck is responding to us from Alaska where BOC is performing tonight. TORGO, We are scheduled to make at least a stop at Darien Lake east of Buffalo in June. Stay tuned for updates.. FROM Simorgh: Buck, do you use a capo on Reaper on Some Enchant eve....? >Capo on Reaper-- no, I used a custom made SG style guitar that is tuned up a whole step to F# instead of E. I use a capo now so I can use the trem bar as a tremolo instead of a transposing device. I'm currently playing a Steinberger GM7 FROM RichZoll: whats the biggest crowd you ever headlined for? >Biggest Crowd-- in early '80's headlining the ballpark in San Diego, w/ZZ and Cheap Trick ROM GraffiX: Buck, I am a hobbyist musician and would like to better my guitar skills .. what type of learning method do you suggest.. I have tried chord books and suck, but I want to start working on a solo technique.. >skills- just start picking out melodies on the guitar and play. Chord books come in handy when you want to play a specific song and need the chord. You should be able to communicate feeling and get enjoyment at any level of skill. I'm playing a lot of acoustic guitar these days and really enjoying it. Besides, it's a big help with my electric playing. FROM DarkHeart: Buck Dharma: I'm a HUGE BOC fan, are you guys coming to San Diego this stop? And for question B, are you ever planning on doing anymore black and blue shows? >B+B- I'd doubt we will tour with Sabbs as a package, that was definately a one time event. I'm sure we'll get to San Diego again this year.. BTW, I'm in Anchorage Alaska right now. There's a record holder stuffed moose in the lobby. FROM RichZoll: everytime i meet you at a show you seem to remember me and others. is this possible , and when do all fans look the same.? It's not so hard to remember faces, Rich, but I can't put an image to your name now.. teleconferencing's around the corner.. FROM ^hdboc^: Does Buck have St. Cecilia ready for Hotlanta? :-) For those of you that don't know, Buck is doing a benefit concert for a child with a Brain Tumor in Atlanta, April 11 Jack, a few suprises, you just gave me an idea! FROM ShawnQuinn: Buck - how are the preps going for the Atlanta Benefit show ? hdboc just mentioned a show I'm doing in Altanta on April 11, a benefit for the 'Zilla Fund for Ricky Browning, a 10 year old fighting a brain tumor. Chuck, maybe you can tell the folks the venue, etc. The venue is the Gwinnett Performing Arts Center, in Duluth, GA, a $30 Million dollar complex, state of the art Shawn, working on trio arraigments of some old faves and never heard stuff. After alaska some intense rehearsal. The show will be recorded and Video'ed for future listening and visual pleasure *********************************************************** End of Part I Gary Check out our Brain Surgeons page at ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jun 30 10:48:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:48:53 -0600 Subject: BOC ; ETL and other live recordings. Message-ID: >Seriously, though, I just got back from a 2 weeks trip to Wisconsin. While I was there, I finally found a copy of ETL. I have all the BOC studio albums, the 3 lives being the only BOC albums I still missed. One down, two to go *grin* Hmmm, you definitely need to give a listen to On Your Feet or On Your Knees, by far the best. SEE, the only reason I have it is the version of Astronomy which is phenomenal. ETL always left me a bit flat, I can't take Eric singing songs that were originally done by Al. He does them well enough but not good enough for me. >First, "Dr. Music". I already mentioned before that I didn't like this song. Well... I do now. Or rather, I like THIS version. I was impressed. It sounds much more convincing live, heavier, more... uh... BOC-ish ? Never of real fan of either version. >Then "Roadhouse Blues". Cooooooooooooooool ;-)) This song is one of the reasons why I wanted to buy the album. It's not on any other, and also I was curious of hearing BOC singing the blues ! *grin* And it was well worth hearing. I just absolutely love this song. I agree its nice hearing them do something bluesey and they play this song well enough. Still I think the list overates this version. I prefer Frank Marino's cover from Mahogany Rush, Double Live. Frank plays it the way it should be. >Finally, "Veteran of the psychic wars". One of my all-time favorite BOC tune. This time it was the other way around. I was first disappointed. I mean the music was fine, and then suddenly the singing began. VotPW sounds great in both forms. Live carries a bit more emotion. I also like both the live and studio versions of Joan Crawford. Overall, the classic BOC songs seem a bit lackluster while the recent numbers (Joan, and Vet) sounded much better. I consider Feet/Knees the best of the three official live releases, emotion power, imperfections, its all that. Yet if your willing to invest is some truly wonderful live BOC, find a dealer who has the Thing, maybe the last live recording of the original lineup and it just smokes. The only live recording I hold in higher regard than Feet/Knees. L8er lil' ab "I bleed triple ripple vanilla road monkey I sweat triple ripple vanilla road monkey I cry triple ripple vanilla road monkey I everything triple ripple vanilla road monkey." - Uncle Creamy the list is down to 197, vacations abound. From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Mon Jun 30 10:55:10 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:55:10 -0700 Subject: BOC: Bakersfield Message-ID: WOW!!!! Bakersfield was great--16 years between seeing the Boys is way too long! :) The show was simply amazing--ranks up there as one of the "greatest nights of my life!" Five feet from the stage, right in front of Eric--woo hoo! Buck was incredible to watch in action. Danny, as others have said before, looks like he's having so much fun on stage. Great to see Allen--he even smiled a few times! And Bobby's drum solo during Godzilla was inspiring. I guess this is pretty much the standard set list recently, but here it is anyway: Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie The Vigil Live for Me Cities on Flame Last Days of May In Thee (my personal favorite) Burnin' for You Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper Encore: OD'd on Life The Red and the Black It was really great to meet so many AOLers: AnitaRocks, LASnowman, Sinmoohap, Vegas4BOC, BeachNik60, HDBOC, Rev Che, JAVan69 (sorry about spilling your beer :o ), and the others I regretfully can't remember. Manuel from BOC-L was there also (sorry about spilling JAVan69's beer on you). Great to meet everyone, and especially great to shake the Boys hands. What a night! -- Mike From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 30 11:20:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:20:29 EDT Subject: BOC ; ETL and other live recordings. Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Hmmm, you definitely need to give a listen to On Your Feet or On Your > Knees, by far the best. SEE, the only reason I have it is the version > of Astronomy which is phenomenal. ETL always left me a bit flat, I > can't take Eric singing songs that were originally done by Al. He does > them well enough but not good enough for me. > Didn't Al say somewhere that On Your Feet...is his favorite album? I like it a lot. Obviously the band isn't as polished [in terms of musicianship] as they are on later records, but the set has a real ferocity to it. You can tell they are having a hell of a time with it. The youthful intensity is overwhelming... theo From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jun 30 11:23:53 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (\joe) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:23:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: Kingston Wall! Message-ID: before I go, I must tell those of you who's looking for this extreme rare Finnish team that I've spotted both Kingston Wall I and II for the heavy price of 250SEK (GBP19.50 / USD32.50). Postal costs not included. They're Nippon pressed, and not used. \\joe From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 30 11:27:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:27:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >great live songs that hadn't made it to a live recording yet, cf 'Flaming Telepaths,' 'Stairway,' and a proper 'Buck's Boogie' come to mind. Good points - There were some live tracks released on other singles (Flaming Telepaths and Dr. Music from the UK 12" Burnin for You single, and Stairway to the Stars appeared as a b-side to some other single - memory fails as to which, but it's in the FAQ). Although, Buck's Boogie did appear on OYFOOYK... >Were BOC reluctant to release more old stuff that featured Al since they unceremoniously booted him from the band? I kinda wondered if there was some sort of contractual thing that Al had to appear on the record or something like that, but I don't know. Maybe they just wanted to use Al's name to lend credibility to the record - something that the record companies seem to be doing a lot lately (putting Al's picture on BOC compilations when he's been out of the band for over 15 years...) >As much as I dig both Robbie and Buck's playing, I can't tell who is doing what. Well, I can't either, but I do have the video so I should go back and look sometime. I think Robbie is the more "mellow" sounding guitar part - and, if I recall from the video, he did most of the leads on this track. Buck seemed to step aside on this one (from the video anyway) and let Robbie cut loose. John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jun 30 12:44:04 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:44:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > And another problem with ETL was that the band could have used it to > truly correct the 'sins of ommission and commission' and dug up some > great live songs that hadn't made it to a live recording yet, cf > 'Flaming Telepaths,' 'Stairway,' and a proper 'Buck's Boogie' come to > mind. All great songs that BOC kicked ass on live but were never > issued on a live recording. I'm sure I have got a single with a live "Stairway" on it from the same period - presumably it just missed getting on the album. Does this anyone else remember this release? - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 30 13:04:48 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:04:48 EDT Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >> From: M R Godwin > On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > And another problem with ETL was that the band could have used it to > > truly correct the 'sins of ommission and commission' and dug up some > > great live songs that hadn't made it to a live recording yet, cf > > 'Flaming Telepaths,' 'Stairway,' and a proper 'Buck's Boogie' come to > > mind. All great songs that BOC kicked ass on live but were never > > issued on a live recording. > > I'm sure I have got a single with a live "Stairway" on it from the same > period - presumably it just missed getting on the album. Does this anyone > else remember this release? > > - Mike Godwin John, let me say it for ya: "It's in the FAQ...' But seriously, I'd like to hear that one myself. I have the 12 incher with Flaming Telepaths on it, but the quality isn't too hot, I'm afraid. There is a version of Stairway [albeit this too is ropy] on Live '76, though I'm not sure this is an official recording. But since I mentioned it, and made reference to Al's fondness for OYFooYK, it strikes me how hot Al's drumming is on both these records. And given the way he attacked his kit at tBS show I saw a couple months ago, it's clear that Al really gets psyched in a concert environment From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 30 16:23:07 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:23:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: >John, let me say it for ya: "It's in the FAQ...' Heh heh - yep, it is, although off the top of my head, I don't remember which single that the live "Stairway" (I think from Commack NY though) was on. >And given the way he attacked his kit at tBS show I saw a couple months ago, it's clear that Al really gets psyched in a concert environment He gave himself blisters after one of tBS gigs in Boston . . . John From asg at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jun 30 17:21:44 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:21:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: Savatage, an opinion Message-ID: Hey, lil' ab, somehow I knew you were gonna say something on this thread ;-) >>Then I heard "Handful of rain" and that was it. I'm hooked. > (snip) >The first post-Cris album (dedication inside the sleeve). Skolnick >played on this one and his work is very good. Title track is an awesome >song that would have been big in any of the last three decades. Agreed ! ;-) >>I highly recommend this album to any prog rock >>fan. Every song on it works for me (except for the first one, and >>"Nothing's going on", which is also a bit too heavy for my taste). It's >>an amazing album. > >Taunting Cobras? Man that sucker rocks! The heavy numbers carry lead >and the ochestratal numbers are uh, well orchestrated. Yeah, that's the one. Just a bit too heavy for my poor ears ;-) I can listen to it, though, but it just doesn't do much for me... >Have you checked out Q'ryche's Hear in the >Now Frontier? I'm thinking King's X. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I've bought that one while I was in Denver too. A bit disappointed, I have to admit. Or maybe it's just one of those albums that take time to grow on you. For the moment, I'm not impressed. The only song which I really liked at the first listen is "You". The rest just sounds all pretty much the same to me *shrug* To me, "Empire" and - most of all - "Promised Land" are my favorites from Queensryche. >>Hey, if there's any Savatage fan reading this, what other album would >>you >>recommend ? "Hall of the Mountain King" and "Gutter Ball" both sound >>very >>interesting... > >Well I'm certainly a fan of this band I knew it !!! *grin* >and offer the following. Someone >already said that Streets, A Rock Opera and Gutter Ballet are pretty >good. I have heard pieces of Streets and its in a similar vien to Edge >and Rain. If you like the progressive stuff then you should look for >Dead Winter Dead, Al Pitrelli on guitar). Yeah, that one does look good... And Al Pitrelli is great. I loved him in Asia too :-) >There was a Christmas project put together by Oliva >called the Trans Siberian Orchestra, featured Zak, Jon and another band >member or two and I think guys from bands like Shadow Gallery and Dream >Theater. I have yet to find this one but have heard good things about >it. I've heard of that, and that one looks great too ! Ooohh... I think I'm gonna be spending lots of money on this band in the future ! Oh boy... >I will warn you about early Savatage though, specifically things >like Power of Night, Sirens, and Fight For the Rock. They sound nothing >like the recent work. >From what I've heard, they started off as some sort of death or trash metal band ? >Well thats my take, go for Dead Winter Dead, Streets and perhaps Gutter >Ballet and avoid the early stuff with perhaps the exception of Mountain >King. Don't know about the songs on that one but its a tres kewl cover. Agreed on the cover. And I like the title too ;-) Thanks for the input ! >OB CD - Threshold, Wounded Land <-------This is a great Prog Rock choice >for you Alex. Really ? I'll look for it... what does it sound like ? (if at all describable ;-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 30 19:57:44 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:57:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live In-Reply-To: <199706300735.RAA04861@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: Peter Sondergeld wrote: >We don't mention this album much, do we? >When I first bought it I was quite disappointed. In fact, I thought it was a >very ordinary piece of work. Didn't play it for years. Very strange: I loved it from day one, and I probably play it more than any of the later studio albums: a great combination of fun (Joan Crawford...always puts a smile on my face) doom& menace (VotPW &c.) & energy (Roadhouse Blues). I felt it showed everything that was good about that era of the band. OYFOOYK is great 'coz it's so balls-out, but sacrifices some of the nuance of the three preceding albums, ETL seems to retain a little more of that - a touch of maturity I guess. ChrisW ObForgotMy WalkmanAgain :( But home to Bill Frisell - This Land ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 30 19:59:44 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:59:44 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:24 30/06/97 +0100, you wrote: >In article <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80 at mcmail.com>, Chris >Warburton writes >>ChrisW >> >>ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 > >Well worth the effort as it goes ! > >Bloody glad I went! I'm pretty knackered after all that walking, tho'! >-- >Jon Browne Wot, no dysentery, typhoid or cholera - shame on you. Maybe my family schedule will let me out during next years festival season. Fingers crossed for Glasto, or North Sea Jazz next year ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Jun 30 21:07:29 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:07:29 -0600 Subject: BOC: the Thing (?) / OYFOOYK "poor sound/mix"? (Was ETL & other) Message-ID: > Yet if your willing to >invest is some truly wonderful live BOC, find a dealer who has the >Thing, maybe the last live recording of the original lineup and it just >smokes. The only live recording I hold in higher regard than >Feet/Knees. > > lil' ab Hey lil' ab, What the heck is the "Thing?" Never heard of it-did I miss it in one of the Morning Final's (or . . . John . . . is it "in the FAQ?") >> >Didn't Al say somewhere that On Your Feet...is his favorite album? > >theo Thought I remember reading an article back in the 70's where Al said he/they were disappointed in the sound quality / mix of OYFOOYK. Any comments? Al? James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jun 30 23:13:08 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:13:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: the Thing (?) / OYFOOYK "poor sound/mix"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, James Coburn wrote: > What the heck is the "Thing?" Never heard of it-did I miss it in one of > the Morning Final's (or . . . John . . . is it "in the FAQ?") _The Thing_ is a 2CD bootleg on Beech Marten Records (BM 036/2), recorded live at "Bands International," June 18th, 1981, New York City. The bootleg was released circa 1991. (Were the hour not late, and my eyelids not heavy, I'd type in the track listing from the index card. Alas, NetBSD/pmax hacking has taken its toll today...;) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Marley and the Wailers, _Live!_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land.