From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jul 1 06:59:53 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:59:53 +0100 Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:59:44 BST." <3.0.1.32.19970701005944.0069535c@mcmail.com> Message-ID: > At 11:24 30/06/97 +0100, you wrote: > >In article <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80 at mcmail.com>, Chris > >Warburton writes > >>ChrisW > >> > >>ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 > > > >Well worth the effort as it goes ! > > > >Bloody glad I went! I'm pretty knackered after all that walking, tho'! Kinda horrendous wasn't it ! I think I prefered the swampy mud on friday to the sticky goo thereafter. I would have liked to see more up in the green field / circus / cabaret tents but since it was totally the other side of the site to my tent, the trek took me about 3 hours either way :-/ Anyways, had a generally great time, saw and heard a variety of acts, summarised as - Good: Kula Shaker on sunday, Phish, Supergrass, System 7 (more guitar Steve!) Bad: Kula Shaker on saturday (shoot the soundman), The Orb (too f--king loud), Live, Ash (zzzzzz...), no Neil Young or in fact anybody on sunday night Sorely Missed: Smashing Pumpkins, Primal Scream, most of The Prodigy cheers, Tim ObFestivalFood: swordfish steaks From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 1 07:44:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:44:44 EDT Subject: BOC: Extraterrestrial Live Message-ID: From: Chris Warburton > Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > >We don't mention this album much, do we? > >When I first bought it I was quite disappointed. In fact, I thought it was a > >very ordinary piece of work. Didn't play it for years. > > Very strange: I loved it from day one, and I probably play it more than > any of the later studio albums: a great combination of fun (Joan > Crawford...always puts a smile on my face) doom& menace (VotPW &c.) & > energy (Roadhouse Blues). I felt it showed everything that was good about > that era of the band. OYFOOYK is great 'coz it's so balls-out, but > sacrifices some of the nuance of the three preceding albums, ETL seems to > retain a little more of that - a touch of maturity I guess. > > ChrisW > > I listened to it a lot when it was new, as my addiction to BOC was still roaring along. Also, I saw several shows around the time those songs were recorded and on the tour supporting ETL, so it made sense to me to have it for a document. OYFOOYK is great for its primal energy and for including some songs that represent the band's live show from that period that aren't around anymore, cf Ain't got You and BTBW. SEE is cool for representing the group at the height of their commercial power. And come on, that rendition of Astronomy and [DF]tR... theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 1 10:50:54 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:50:54 -0600 Subject: The Thing, Live Versions & Some more Savatage/Queensryche Message-ID: theo>Didn't Al say somewhere that On Your Feet...is his favorite album? I like it a lot. Yes he did. According to the Goldmine Article both Al and Joe liked Feet/Knees. Al is qouted thusly "Actually I have to say that's my favorite {BOC] album. For a number of years now its been my favorite. I like its because its warts and all." While Joe said "I kind of like that album. That's my favorite live one." Theo>You can tell they are having a hell of a time with it. The youthful intensity is overwhelming... It bleeds from this record. I saw BOC for the first time right after this one was released. They played the same setlist and the sound was identical. I thought BOC were a bunch of maniacs, never had I seen a band play with so much energy and enthusiasm. Theo>But since I mentioned it, and made reference to Al's fondness for OYFooYK, it strikes me how hot Al's drumming is on both these records. And given the way he attacked his kit at tBS show I saw a couple months ago, it's clear that Al really gets psyched in a concert environment. I must say Al is what really did me in on BOC when I first saw them. The guy is smacking his skins like they stole from him and belting out powerful vocals at the same time. Everyone seemed to feed off Al. Man this band was great. A drummer who couldn't stop moving or playing, a bass player with huge biceps and a menancing stare. A guy clad in black leather, not posing but looking ultra kewl; a keyboard player with a cigarette dangling from his lips filling in where ever needed and this diminutive guitarist who's fingers didn't appear attached to his body playing the hell out of every solo. Wish I could have measured the stage, don't think Buck moved more than 2 square feet the entire night. Yet the emotion and power just swept over the audience like a tidal wave. Uh back to your point Al plays like he could care less if he was getting paid, "just let me play man." James Coburn >Hey lil' ab, What the heck is the "Thing?" Never heard of it-did I miss it in one of the Morning Final's (or . . . John . . . is it "in the FAQ?") Think this has been answered but in case it hasn't Thing = bootleg circa 1981 or so from New York. Double cd set, with great sound quality, kick ass set list and most importantly the real BOC, bad as they wanted to be. Imagine Feet/Knees with excellent sound quality and you have the Thing. The setlist is probably in the FAQ, some notable songs include a killer Heavy Metal, Black and Silver and ME 262, although its a bit short. I say we get John Swartz to provide a full review of the Thing. Please John? 8>) Alex>Hey, lil' ab, somehow I knew you were gonna say something on this thread ;-) You know how to push the right buttons Alex. >Have you checked out Q'ryche's Hear in the >Now Frontier? I'm thinking King's X. Alex>Yeah, as a matter of fact, I've bought that one while I was in Denver too. A bit disappointed, I have to admit. Or maybe it's just one of those albums that take time to grow on you. For the moment, I'm not impressed. The only song which I really liked at the first listen is "You". The rest just sounds all pretty much the same to me *shrug* To me, "Empire" and - most of all - "Promised Land" are my favorites from Queensryche. Hear IMHO is a brilliant album for this band. Its a real statement of their confidence. Queensryche's early works (EP, Warning, Rage for Order and Operation:Mindcrime) were hard pure in your face rock, featuring Wiltons classic guitar work and Geoff Tate's three octave vocals. Empire was their first shot at commercialism and Promise Land reflects experiences of various band members. Hear is the culmination of all their works. The band always had a heavily polished well produced sound (Empire/ Promise Land) Hear is more or less naked Queensryche music. I thinks its brilliant, they cut loose and just let it happen. This one is what Fair Warning was to Van Halen. I wish BOC had chossen to do something like this during their identity crisis (Mirrors, RBN). MIndcirme BTW checked in at number 16 on the Hit Parader 100 Best Hard Rock cd's; Empire was #41. Alex on Savatage>From what I've heard, they started off as some sort of death or trash metal band ? Thats certainly what Power of Night sounds like. Dosen't fit them very well if you heard Rain, Edge Streets or any of those prior to Night. OB CD - Threshold, Wounded Land <-------This is a great Prog Rock choice >for you Alex. Alex>Really ? I'll look for it... what does it sound like ? (if at all describable ;-) Do you like Dream Theater? I do to some degree. At times DT is in firm control of the music at others, they seem to try and outplay each other causing a lot of clutter. Wounded Land has elements of DT, haunting keys, well orchestrated sound. Biggest difference is in the lyrics, much more thought provoking than DT. They opened for DT on a US tour a few years back. If you like DT at all I think you will love Wounded Land. They have another called Psychdelicatessan, this one has more of an edge and less prog movements. I love it just as much but it dosen't sound like the same band, partly becuase of a new lead singer. Their latest is called Extinct Instinct, the lead singer on Wounded Land (Damien Wilson) has returned to the fold. I have been after this one for months but its still not avaialable in the US that I can find. Finally, is there a difference to having a favorite song and a favorite version? Secret Treaties is my fave studio album because it has four of my top ten songs (ME 262, Telepaths, Astronomy and Subhuman). However my fave versions of these songs are all live (Telepaths an exception cause I haven't heard a live recording of it, though I have heard it live). Anybody else feel this way about BOC music? L8er lil' ab "There are many mysteries in this universe, big and small. Like, why do clowns make us laugh? Why do we love puppy dogs? And, why do little blue midgets hit me with fish?" - The Tick OBCD - Mahogany Rush, Strange Universe From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 1 11:22:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:22:28 EDT Subject: The Thing, Live Versions & Some more Savatage/Queensryche Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > I must say Al is what really did me in on BOC when I first saw them. > The guy is smacking his skins like they stole from him and belting out > powerful vocals at the same time. Everyone seemed to feed off Al. Man > this band was great. A drummer who couldn't stop moving or playing, a Even though I play guitar and am drawn to the guitar parts on records and to guitarists in concert, I gotta admit that seeing Al on drums was always a highlight of BOC concerts. Before I ever saw them I could tell he was amazing given the creativity he showed on the early albums. First time I saw them was between ST and OYF...Al was every bit the showman as EB. Maybe that's what has caused EB's resentment of Al over the years? I agree that Al's drumming led the band, almost to the same extent as BD's gtr. He was [and is] a great stage presence... > bass player with huge biceps and a menancing stare. A guy clad in black > leather, not posing but looking ultra kewl; a keyboard player with a > cigarette dangling from his lips filling in where ever needed and this > diminutive guitarist who's fingers didn't appear attached to his body > playing the hell out of every solo. Wish I could have measured the > stage, don't think Buck moved more than 2 square feet the entire night. > Yet the emotion and power just swept over the audience like a tidal > wave. Uh back to your point Al plays like he could care less if he was > getting paid, "just let me play man." > AB, you've just summed up a typical Real BOC experience, and it couldn't be stated better. That was a magical time that won't be recaptured. We can still go and see 3OC and marvel at BD's playing [IMHO he's playing the best gtr of his life right now] but the total experience isn't close, I'm afraid. Even the tours ca. ETL had lost something, though Al had only been gone a short time. The total muse had flown... theo > From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 1 17:16:13 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:16:13 BST Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:24:54 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80 at mcmail.com>, Chris > Warburton writes > >ChrisW > > > >ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 > > Well worth the effort as it goes ! > > Bloody glad I went! I'm pretty knackered after all that walking, tho'! where were you? Did I see you at the Global set in Croissant Neuf or was that someone else wearing a Hawkwind tour shirt? jill obbummer> Porcupine Tree pulled out 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johnv at NCWEB.COM Tue Jul 1 13:02:25 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:02:25 -0400 Subject: hw taping permission Message-ID: anybody have information on being allowed to record audio/video at any of hawkwinds outdoor festival dates ive got one coming up in late aug. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 1 13:36:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:36:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat tonight Message-ID: I've been away from the AOL chats for the past 2 months, but I'm looking forward to chatting with some of you tonight! For those of you who don't know how to access the chat from AOL, it's from 10-midnight, Eastern Time -- use the Keyword function and go to "MMC" (Music Message Center) and go to the "Nightclub" chat. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 1 13:49:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:49:55 -0400 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: 2 things Message-ID: In response to some of Adrian's comments: 1. Review "The Thing"? Well, perhaps at a future date. Suffice to say the setlist is in the FAQ, the sound quality is excellent and other than the Krieger-version of "Roadhouse Blues", this recording should have been used to make *ETL*, IMHO. "Cities on Flame" (sung by Albert as this was about 2 months before his departure) and "Hot Rails to Hell" sound particularly good, and it's cool to hear "Fire of Unknown Origin" and "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" live. Only thing is that some of the tracks (last 4 or 5 I think) are actually from the Old Waldorf show from 1980, and the edit occurs in "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" such that it sounds like the band accidetally does the 2nd verse twice - however, the edit is perfect so it is not sonically unpleasing -- until I learned of the edit, I thought that Buck accidentally had sung the wrong verse after the solo, and then the whole band came back on the 3rd verse without missing a beat. Perhaps I'll give this (and the other CD boots) a more thorough review in the future . . . 2. Those of you in the Pennsylvania/Ohio area take note -- the Brain Surgeons are doing a gig in Altoona, PA in a few weeks (check my website for more info: http://members.aol.com/tbspostop ). Here's the info at my website: Also, before heading west, you can catch the band in Altoona, Pennsylvania on July 12 at "The Un-Festival" at the Playhouse Theater, corner of 12th Ave and 15th St. Its an all ages show (bring the kids!) so the set time will be early, around 8 PM. Doors open at 6, and Deb recommends getting there early. For your $6 admission, you can hear 4 bands -- along with tBS you can hear The Discontent (who've been playing with Joan Jett a bunch), Jimmie's Chicken Shack (on Elton John's label), and the headliner is a new hot new group called Skeleton Key. Sorry about the readability - I did a quick cut 'n paste. John From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Jul 1 13:29:05 1997 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:29:05 +0200 Subject: Reaper Midi - yet another... Message-ID: (Hmm I give my vote to On Your Feet) Well, lacking a lot of substantial, here's however (attached) another midi-version of The Reaper (don't fear it). I have to admit, though, that I cannot take much credit for it. All I've done is to make some corrections on a midi-file I found one year ago (I'm fast!) - and I truly wanna thank the person out there somewhere who made the original work. However, this is the best version I've heard so far, so spread it will you. There are a couple awful ones around... Hope it works! (tell me) Now, all I have to do is to make a long "live-version" of it - for us BD-clones... Dan ObCD: Michael Lee Firkins: Cactus Cr?z (yes yes, with dots) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Uh back to your point Al plays like he could care less if he was > getting paid, "just let me play man." > >AB, you've just summed up a typical Real BOC experience, and it couldn't be stated better. Agree, BD is better than ever which is scary. I don't play the guitar but I think I know a great one when I hear one and Buck to me has always been the best. Others may be faster, some flashier but no one plays a solo quite like Buck. Sigh I'm starting to get weepy just thinking of those days. No I don't want to start any retro threads but I can taste what BOC would sound like today if the original lineup were in tact. Al remains a bundle of creative energy as evidenced by tBS music and Buck is really enjoying being on stage. Alan is still an accomplished utility man and I'm sure Joe could be wailing away if he wanted to. I'm loath to say that Eric didn't like the attention Al received when he was with the band. Eric always appeared to be a team player, content with his role of part time front man. He also looked totally comfortable as being one of the kewlest looking r&r lead guys during the 70's. We can argue his contributions to the cows come home but Eric has always been and always be the perfect lead man for BOC. John>In response to some of Adrian's comments: 1. Review "The Thing"? Well, perhaps at a future date. Suffice to say the setlist is in the FAQ, the sound quality is excellent and other than the Krieger-version of "Roadhouse Blues", this recording should have been used to make *ETL*, IMHO. "Cities on Flame" (sung by Albert as this was about 2 months before his departure) and "Hot Rails to Hell" sound particularly good, and it's cool to hear "Fire of Unknown Origin" and "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" live. Well don't stop with the Thing, if you have any others in the repository lets hear them too. I'm sure there are other recordings just as good as the Thing, to bad they aren't as readily available at Best Buy or something. L8er lil' ab "There are many mysteries in this universe, big and small. Like, why do clowns make us laugh? Why do we love puppy dogs? And, why do little blue midgets hit me with fish?" - The Tick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 1 15:28:03 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:28:03 EDT Subject: BD is better today than yesterday, scary. Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." tility man and I'm sure Joe could be wailing away if he wanted to. I'm > loath to say that Eric didn't like the attention Al received when he was > with the band. Eric always appeared to be a team player, content with > his role of part time front man. He also looked totally comfortable as > being one of the kewlest looking r&r lead guys during the 70's. We can > argue his contributions to the cows come home but Eric has always been > and always be the perfect lead man for BOC. Oh I agree with you. EB was THE front man in BOC, no question. He was the focal point and putative group leader on stage, the incredible musicianship of the others notwithstanding. But Al always had that magical spark, and he had [and has] a great rapport with the crowd. While Bloom was cool and mysterious, Al always came off as a r'n'r crazy, and played up that image to the hilt. BD played the role of guitar hero perfectly, though now, IMHO, he's assumed the role of front man as well. Which isn't nec. a good thing for me. EB in his prime was the best front man in rock, my all-time fave. I just wish he could return to that level again. Attitude and stage presence are intangibles that often surmount musical ability... theo From asg at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jul 1 15:57:15 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:57:15 +0200 Subject: Reaper Midi - yet another... Message-ID: >Well, lacking a lot of substantial, here's however (attached) another >midi-version of The Reaper (don't fear it). I have to admit, though, that I >cannot take much credit for it. All I've done is to make some corrections >on a midi-file I found one year ago (I'm fast!) - and I truly wanna thank >the person out there somewhere who made the original work. However, this is >the best version I've heard so far, so spread it will you. There are a >couple awful ones around... >Hope it works! (tell me) Well how many times do we have to tell people NOT to send stuff like this to the list ? You should tell you have it and send it via private e-mail to the people who actually ask for it. Sending it directly to the list is annoying, uses up bandwidth, not to mention that it can many a lot of problems for some people for various reasons... isn't there a warning about this when you subscribe (can't remember) ? If not, it should be added, I think... >Now, all I have to do is to make a long "live-version" of it - for us >BD-clones... Well, if you do, please remember not to send it to the list... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 1 16:54:23 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:54:23 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reaper Midi - yet another... 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At the same time you stick in a better/bigger tape recorder and tape. So as long as they don't see a video camera filming it can't be difficult not to get one in. Only problem then is not being seen once in. I certainly hope a festival hawkwind is videoed sometime. Timmy Langner From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jul 1 22:38:57 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:38:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: the Thing (?) / OYFOOYK "poor sound/mix"? (Was ETL & other) Message-ID: >James Coburn wrote: >Thought I remember reading an article back in the 70's where Al said >he/they were disappointed in the sound quality / mix of OYFOOYK. Any >comments? Al? Yes that article in question was from John Holstrom's original Punk Magazine. JH now edits High Times. And yes, we were upset about the recording conditions for most of that album. If you listen carefully you can hear feedback from the monitors on some songs but in retrospect that remains my favorite BOC album. All live, high energy, even Eric's guitar playing was OK. It wasn't the final result that we minded as much as what we had to endure to make it. Some great tracks were ruined because of the monitor mixer. From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Wed Jul 2 01:42:36 1997 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:42:36 -0700 Subject: BOC: ETL Message-ID: Exterrrestrial Live was my first live collection. I find it to be very listenable. The reasons I loved ETL: *It was the first time I was able to see most of the lyrics to the old tunes. I always sang ETI wrong. *I happen to really enjoy the first four tracks (Dom and Sub, Cities, Dr. M, and Red and Black), even though Al is only on one. These four tracks worked well together. I loved EB's interaction with the crowd. I always used to play these songs when I had nervous energy to work off...like right before my first date with the woman who became my wife...I was pacing back and forth...It was playing it when she got to my apartment. *EB's fun intro to Godzilla. ("Can you hear those giant footsteps?) *Great Cover Art...The boys look sooooo enchanting on the back cover. Greg Scott does some cool work. *Joan Crawford and Black Blade sound just as good live...a tough feat. *Better Sound than the other live sets. *This album got me back into BOC. I had peaked out at Spectres. But somehow this one drew me back in, which led to me buying RBN (and just to lose any credibility I ever had ) an album I still like as a great mood album. BOC had a sound I once read described as "a band being chased by hellhounds" sound (a sound they lost on Club Ninja). I must admit that the versions of Burnin' For You and (Don't Fear) The Reaper were already stale by that album. Just some observations by the Gumby Man G-Man out. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I will bow to the earth, bow to the sea, * Bow to the love between you and me, * Bow to the sun, bow to the land * but never to a god made in the image of man. * * New Model Army * * Thomas Nelson* * *The Gumby Man* * *gumby at primenet.com* * From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Jul 2 02:39:13 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 02:39:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: early live Message-ID: Regarding the recent discussion of BOC stage presence etc.: BOC was the first band I ever saw live (73) and I remember one of the reactions that my friend Frank and I both had to the show: "Who's the leader?", we thought. Granted this was an unsophisticated reaction (hey, we were 15), but I think it did point up something about the way the band came off live. I was used to seeing "In Concert" and shows of that ilk, and most of the bands had a very obvious focal point, sometimes two (Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant). With BOC the focus shifted continuously, even in what was probably a somewhat abbreviated set (they were not headlining). To this day I can remember Albert's rap from behind the drum kit prior to "Cities On Flame" (although I might have telescoped this show into the next two I saw 3 months later): "So I'm driving along (the LIE?) and I pick up this hitch-hiker...he sees the BOC sign and he says "Hey man, are you into the Cult?". I said, "I'm not just into them, man, I'm in them...I'm the drummer!" "Far out, man!", he said. Then I asked him "So how does our music make you feel? Does it make you feel good?...Or does it make you feel bad?" He thinks a minute and says, "Well, it doesn't make me feel good...then again, it doesn't make me feel bad...it makes me feel...(strange chuckle)...it makes me feel....(ominous low laugh)....it makes me feel...(certifiably insane cackle)...It Makes Me Feel....EEEEEVILLLLLLLLLL!!!!" And the band rips into "Cities", which I've never heard in my life... Certainly the available live documents we have of the band up to the time of OYF show a band that would become far more polished and technically proficient. There's been a lot of permutations of the band over the years -- there were a lot even during Albert's tenure -- but to me they had the possible misfortune of kicking off with their best 3 albums, and doing live shows that were such undiluted screaming mayhem that the energy level could not be ratcheted up any higher. And they were touring at a pace that makes it remarkable that the whole thing did not fly apart early, or become nothing more than a series of rote gestures like the offerings of a lot of their contemporaries. Re OYF: I have an old magazine interview where Donald Roeser is quoted as saying he thought the record would have been better as a single LP. Always wondered if he thought half of it was poor. Myself, I don't like Cities, Before the Kiss, Red and the Black, Buck's Boogie...thought most of 'em were too fast...thought Born to be Wild was fun the first dozen times I saw it, but always seemed better as a concept than in execution...most of the rest of it was astounding though. Do wish that the guitar riff in Harvester of Eyes was cranked up about nine notches crunch-wise and the synthesizer sci-fi sound cranked down about eight... I still stand by my story that the end solo in Harvester was overdubbed, the flawed one is there, lurking just out of sight...I threw this out a while ago and got no response, has anyone else ever heard what I'm talking about here? Re ETL: Hate this thing, pull it out every six months to see if it's as bad as I remember, and it always is...half the mistakes and one-fourth the fire of OYF. I'm not just saying this to kiss Albert's ass, either; as I recall I didn't like his drumming on this albums' D & S either, though I'm not gonna pull it out now to find out (I've still got 39 days to go)...and that version of The Red and the Black -- a sacrilege, an abomination, possibly the most drag-ass drumming I've ever heard on a BOC record, and horribly recorded into the bargain. IMHO of course ;-) PS Albert, did your guitar-playing Clarkson College classmate ever express displeasure at having his name misspelled on the back of OYF? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 2 04:48:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:48:02 +0100 Subject: OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <9707011716.aa27352@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9707011716.aa27352 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >where were you? Did I see you at the Global set in Croissant Neuf or >was that someone else wearing a Hawkwind tour shirt? > >jill > >obbummer> Porcupine Tree pulled out 8-( Well, amazingly coincidentally enough, I was indeed at the Global set at Croissant Neuf, but not in HW T. In fact, I was sitting just outside the tent watching the fireworks/lasers during Global, enjoying the bracing effects of some heartening mushroom soup. I should have been 2 miles away at the dance tent at that moment for Primal Scream but well, you can't really plan these things can you? (I heard the Primals were rubbish, much to a few people's dismay.) Actually, I think Global were the one of the bests thing I heard all weekend and I just happened to stumble past and stop because there was *NO MUD* at that particular point! I did find some GROOVEY HW vinyl which I'll detail once I've had breakfast...... later -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 2 11:39:44 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:39:44 BST Subject: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:24:54 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <3.0.1.32.19970628120931.00691d80 at mcmail.com>, Chris > Warburton writes > >ChrisW > > > >ObFestivalI'mGladIHaven'tGoneTo:Glastonbury '97 > > Well worth the effort as it goes ! > > Bloody glad I went! I'm pretty knackered after all that walking, tho'! Yep. Bloody good laugh. Where was your tent Jon? We were up the top of the field maybe a couple of tents down from the steel track. The Friends Flag was flying except when the wind & rain downed it on Thursday. We sometimes had a couple of flashing LED's posted atop it at night too. OTOH I did bump into Tim, though unfortunately when I'd just crawled out of a sleeping bag with a hangover and a desperate urge for breakfast. Sorry for seeming so antisocial Tim. I'll buy you a beer next time... > Jon Browne FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 2 11:44:19 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:44:19 BST Subject: OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:48:02 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Well, amazingly coincidentally enough, I was indeed at the Global set at > Croissant Neuf, but not in HW T. In fact, I was sitting just outside the > tent watching the fireworks/lasers during Global, enjoying the bracing > effects of some heartening mushroom soup. I should have been 2 miles > away at the dance tent at that moment for Primal Scream but well, you > can't really plan these things can you? (I heard the Primals were > rubbish, much to a few people's dismay.) Actually, I think Global were > the one of the bests thing I heard all weekend and I just happened to > stumble past and stop because there was *NO MUD* at that particular > point! I did find some GROOVEY HW vinyl which I'll detail once I've had > breakfast...... You didn't get one of their tapes did you? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 2 08:16:38 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:16:38 EDT Subject: BOC: early live Message-ID: From: Chris Baker > > > Certainly the available live documents we have of the band up to the time of > OYF show a band that would become far more polished and technically > proficient. There's been a lot of permutations of the band over the years -- > there were a lot even during Albert's tenure -- but to me they had the > possible misfortune of kicking off with their best 3 albums, and doing live > shows that were such undiluted screaming mayhem that the energy level could > not be ratcheted up any higher. And they were touring at a pace that makes it > remarkable that the whole thing did not fly apart early, or become nothing > more than a series of rote gestures like the offerings of a lot of their > contemporaries. Couldn't agree more. I've long maintained that the first 3 were their best records [and the best records in rock history. Period!] and really, at the time it came out, I was disappointed by OYF...though I've come to appreciate it a lot more the last few years. Those 3 records had such an 'atmosphere' about them that it was impossible to re-create them onstage. I was too young at the time to realize how hard it is to pull something like that off, and also too naive to realize that you don't have to do so in order to create a great concert. That's what was so strange: I was absolutely mystified by the concert experience itself, yet when the album came out, OYF...left me unfulfilled. You literally had to be there to experience the crowd going apeshit over this band. And at that time, there were no more rabid fans in rock than BOC fans. Where have they all gone, and who receives this enthusiasm now, I wonder... > > Re OYF: I have an old magazine interview where Donald Roeser is quoted as > saying he thought the record would have been better as a single LP. Always > wondered if he thought half of it was poor. Myself, I don't like Cities, Don't agree here. I really like this version of Cities... > Before the Kiss, Red and the Black, Buck's Boogie...thought most of 'em were Agreed here, esp. BtK(aR). Not badly played, but too fast, and BD's vocals are so rushed. Buck's Boogie disappointed me as I'd heard them do it so much better on several occasions. Still think the best version is on CC, which is too bad, esp. considering the way BD raves up on the song live nowadays. Maybe someday a live version of the song will surface that will do it justice... > too fast...thought Born to be Wild was fun the first dozen times I saw it, > but always seemed better as a concept than in execution...most of the rest of True. This was the last song of the night at the time, and the mayhem it wrought was an appropriate ending for the show, though in reality it's just a cover tune. Still, it would be cool to see them throw it back in the setlist from time to time... theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 2 08:24:28 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:24:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: early live Message-ID: >pull it out now to find out (I've still got 39 days to go)...and that version >of The Red and the Black -- a sacrilege, an abomination, possibly the most >drag-ass drumming I've ever heard on a BOC record, and horribly recorded into >the bargain. FWIW, I think the drumming on the two live tracks on Summerdaze is worse. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 2 08:33:08 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:33:08 -0400 Subject: Stalk-Forrest Group/St. Cecilia Message-ID: I finally got ahold of a copy of this, which I was allowed to keep for a short time period. It was definitely interesting, the guitars and drumming seemed good but the vocals were too high-pitched for my liking. Is that Eric? I know he generally sings fairly high, but this seemed beyond that. I wanted to toss a copy of 'Gil Blanco County' on an Imaginos tape, where chronologically should it occur? It sounds like sometime after Del Rio but before The Siege... but I'm not sure. The FAQ lists it on a third album if it ever made it to that stage... Looking at the album credits from the FAQ, the only other song with lyrics by Pearlman was St. Cecilia... this has no connection to the Imaginos cycle, though, right? I know I've heard the ending of 'Gil Blanco' on some other live BOC track, but it eludes me right now. I know 'The Curse of the Hidden Mirror' is by Meltzer, but it seems to fit kind of nicely with 'The Magna of Illusion', with it's "Foreign Mirror, taken from the jungle..." anyways, generally enjoyed hearing it. The Arthur Comics/Buck's Boogie connection is very clear. I also liked 'What is Quicksand' and 'St. Cecilia' quite a bit. But I have to say that if this is what the band was like before Krugman and Pearlman decided to try and mold them into a heavier (sabs for cbs) band, it was a good thing. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Barony of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 2 08:48:20 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:48:20 -0400 Subject: early live Message-ID: I loved OYF's Harvester the 1st time I heard it *because* of the sci-fi synth stuff. It makes me think of a mad scientist's laboratory- then the riff slices right through it. The sound of Buck's riff on this one makes me think of the early Metallica sound. I started getting into BOC in '91, so I ended up buying ETI first. I still like to listen to it every once in awhile. I'd say my favorite track on it is Joan Crawford. You've got to love the keys on that one. Later I picked up OYF (I couldn't find the early albums on CD at the time) and found I liked it much better than ETI. It's got to be my favorite BOC album, followed closely by Secret Treaties. I agree with everything you don't like on OYF except for Before the Kiss and the Red & the Black. They have so much more energy than the studio versions, it takes them to a higher level. The "wakka-wakka" sound on Before the Kiss just leaps out of the speakers and clubs ya upside the head. I love it! Brian brianh at pulleyn.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Baker [SMTP:Nebosuke at AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 2:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: early live Regarding the recent discussion of BOC stage presence etc.: BOC was the first band I ever saw live (73) and I remember one of the reactions that my friend Frank and I both had to the show: "Who's the leader?", we thought. Granted this was an unsophisticated reaction (hey, we were 15), but I think it did point up something about the way the band came off live. I was used to seeing "In Concert" and shows of that ilk, and most of the bands had a very obvious focal point, sometimes two (Jagger/Richards, Page/Plant). With BOC the focus shifted continuously, even in what was probably a somewhat abbreviated set (they were not headlining). To this day I can remember Albert's rap from behind the drum kit prior to "Cities On Flame" (although I might have telescoped this show into the next two I saw 3 months later): "So I'm driving along (the LIE?) and I pick up this hitch-hiker...he sees the BOC sign and he says "Hey man, are you into the Cult?". I said, "I'm not just into them, man, I'm in them...I'm the drummer!" "Far out, man!", he said. Then I asked him "So how does our music make you feel? Does it make you feel good?...Or does it make you feel bad?" He thinks a minute and says, "Well, it doesn't make me feel good...then again, it doesn't make me feel bad...it makes me feel...(strange chuckle)...it makes me feel....(ominous low laugh)....it makes me feel...(certifiably insane cackle)...It Makes Me Feel....EEEEEVILLLLLLLLLL!!!!" And the band rips into "Cities", which I've never heard in my life... Certainly the available live documents we have of the band up to the time of OYF show a band that would become far more polished and technically proficient. There's been a lot of permutations of the band over the years -- there were a lot even during Albert's tenure -- but to me they had the possible misfortune of kicking off with their best 3 albums, and doing live shows that were such undiluted screaming mayhem that the energy level could not be ratcheted up any higher. And they were touring at a pace that makes it remarkable that the whole thing did not fly apart early, or become nothing more than a series of rote gestures like the offerings of a lot of their contemporaries. Re OYF: I have an old magazine interview where Donald Roeser is quoted as saying he thought the record would have been better as a single LP. Always wondered if he thought half of it was poor. Myself, I don't like Cities, Before the Kiss, Red and the Black, Buck's Boogie...thought most of 'em were too fast...thought Born to be Wild was fun the first dozen times I saw it, but always seemed better as a concept than in execution...most of the rest of it was astounding though. Do wish that the guitar riff in Harvester of Eyes was cranked up about nine notches crunch-wise and the synthesizer sci-fi sound cranked down about eight... I still stand by my story that the end solo in Harvester was overdubbed, the flawed one is there, lurking just out of sight...I threw this out a while ago and got no response, has anyone else ever heard what I'm talking about here? Re ETL: Hate this thing, pull it out every six months to see if it's as bad as I remember, and it always is...half the mistakes and one-fourth the fire of OYF. I'm not just saying this to kiss Albert's ass, either; as I recall I didn't like his drumming on this albums' D & S either, though I'm not gonna pull it out now to find out (I've still got 39 days to go)...and that version of The Red and the Black -- a sacrilege, an abomination, possibly the most drag-ass drumming I've ever heard on a BOC record, and horribly recorded into the bargain. IMHO of course ;-) PS Albert, did your guitar-playing Clarkson College classmate ever express displeasure at having his name misspelled on the back of OYF? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bye Henrik > > Miikka -- ========================================================== "Hallucinatins flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: +46-60-173716 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Wed Jul 2 09:14:17 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:14:17 CDT Subject: Other: Mick Farren's _The Feasting_ Message-ID: Hi all, I picked up Mick Farren's book _The Feasting_ (primarily because I hadn't read a good vampire story since Lucius Shepard's _The Golden_, and because Moorcock has a blurb on the cover recommending it). It was interesting, but by no means brilliant. Is his music like his writing at all? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net Allan. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 1 21:46:22 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:46:22 -0400 Subject: Mick Farren Message-ID: >Bad: Kula Shaker on saturday (shoot the soundman), The Orb (too >f--king loud), ------------- Too loud?!?!?!? Then wear earplugs next time! The Orb are always good, and I expect them to be just as good and just as loud as they've ever been on July 20 here in Detroit! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com NeW Radical Homepage: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 1 21:49:13 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:49:13 -0400 Subject: hw taping permission Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:02:25 -0400 john villani writes: >anybody have information on being allowed to record audio/video at any >of >hawkwinds outdoor festival dates ive got one coming up in late aug. > If you mean the Strange Daze Fest, I'm sure that won't be much of a problem....but who knows, Dave has always been a little sketchy onthe bootleg topic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com NeW Radical Homepage: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 2 09:54:38 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:54:38 +0200 Subject: early live Message-ID: At 08:48 AM 7/2/97 -0400, BRIAN wrote: > I started getting into BOC in '91, so I ended up buying ETI first. I still like to listen to it >every once in awhile. Yup, ETL is the first BOC album I bought too (back in '88). I still think it's one of the best but I seldom listen to it 'cos the vinyl is so dirty and dusty (?) and it makes me irritated -I wonder when I can afford to replace it with a CD... The songs; Well, I think all of them rock... even though D&S is my favourite (it may have something to do with the drummer...). BTW: did Al ever sing D&S live? Or has it always been sung by EB? mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 2 10:03:42 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:03:42 +0100 Subject: Other: Mick Farren's _The Feasting_ Message-ID: > Is his music like his writing at all? In a sense, yes... Thematically, there's a lot of bad drugs and worse sex... his "Lost Johnny" lyrics give an idea of his preoccupations. You can check out a lot of his lyrics on his own website (http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html); the best of them convey a relish of sleaze like no-one else. Most of his music is written in collaboration - in the past, often with Larry Wallis or Paul Rudolph, nowadays usually with Wayne Kramer, Jack Lancaster or Andy Colquhoun, and their styles are naturally very influential on the finished product. But if MF's handling the vocals himself, you certainly won't mistake him for anyone else :) The most readily available of his albums is probably the newest Deviants, _Eating Jello..._, which is a bit mixed, but worth most of the asking price for "Arts of Darkness" alone. IM warped O, natch! _The Deathray Tapes_ is live, and sounds like it was a hoot to have been there, but is perhaps... less accessible, let's say. :) - Andy ObCD: Chris Karrer - _Sufisticated_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 2 10:45:09 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:45:09 -0400 Subject: Stalk-Forrest Group/St. Cecilia Message-ID: >It was definitely interesting, the guitars and drumming seemed good but the vocals were too high-pitched for my liking. Is that Eric? I know he generally sings fairly high, but this seemed beyond that. Some of the vocals are Buck on this album. >I wanted to toss a copy of 'Gil Blanco County' on an Imaginos tape, where chronologically should it occur? Well, the order on the Imaginos CD itself is not really correct, so in the spirit of "random access" you can put it anywhere! ;-) I defer to Albert as to where it should fit - I know it is listed in the FAQ that it should be on the 3rd (unreleased) album in the cycle, but I don't know how the whole thing was intended to work together. Personally I think it probably goes before "Del Rio's song", but that's just a guess. >the only other song with lyrics by Pearlman was St. Cecilia... this has no connection to the Imaginos cycle, though, right? I believe that is true. >I know I've heard the ending of 'Gil Blanco' on some other live BOC track, but it eludes me right now. Don't Fear the Reaper. Also note the similarity between "Arthur Comics" and "Buck's Boogie" (one part toward the end in particular). OOPS - I see you commented on that later - sorry! >But I have to say that if this is what the band was like before Krugman and Pearlman decided to try and mold them into a heavier (sabs for cbs) band, it was a good thing. Well, the band would definitely have been different, and probably appealed to a different audience, but I think that they could have been a great band in that style. I think "Last Days of May" would still have been a song that the SFG would have done and released, "Don't Fear the Reaper" too. "Cities on Flame"? - probably not, although it has a boogie ending which might have found its way to some other song. Also - look at the Brain Surgeons - they really aren't in the same style as that early BOC (although several of their songs, particularly stuff off *Trepanation*, would fit right in), yet they're putting out some great stuff. Buck has done some "progressive power pop" with *Flat Out*, his work in The Red & the Black (the band, not the song), and tunes such as "Perfect Water", "Shooting Shark", and "Harvest Moon"; all of it good stuff, albeit somewhat atypical BOC stuff. O.K., enough of my rambling... John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 2 11:17:12 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:17:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: early live Message-ID: > Yup, ETL is the first BOC album I bought too (back in '88). > I still think it's one of the best but I seldom listen to it 'cos the vinyl > is so dirty and dusty (?) and it makes me irritated -I wonder when I can > afford to replace it with a CD... Actually, the 1st album(s) I bought was a two-for-one cassette of AOF and Spectres. I bought ETI soon after. I just meant that I bought it before OYF. > The songs; Well, I think all of them rock... even though D&S is my favourite > (it may have something to do with the drummer...). I was hooked on the "1,2,3,4" scream at the beginning of D&S. That and the crowd yelling out "Dominance!" I would have loved to have been there. > BTW: did Al ever sing D&S live? Or has it always been sung by EB? Well, I know Eric sang it on Live '76. Before that, I'm not sure. Al sings it when the Brain Surgeons play it live though. I think it's on the "Pull the Plug" tape that you get for buying a Surgeons album for a friend. Do you need a Surgeons album, friend? ;-) > mvh -Daniel Wikdahl Brian brianh at pulleyn.com > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the whole marquee roofing was a sub-woofer :-) Anyways when the Orb played I felt my sternum flex on each beat. Unfortunately beyond that, it was plain boring. I love the Orb on disc, but in a live context they seemed to rely on a beat far more than the textures and *music* that should sit atop that. I should have put up with the synth glitch and watched the rest of the Prodigy instead. BTW there were some extremely irresponsible people in the dance tent who had very small children in tow, with unprotected ears. I'm sure the kids will thank them in sign language at some future date. cheers, Tim From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 2 13:22:09 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:22:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Set list Message-ID: Say, the local rag is listing a BOC show for 12 july at Sylan Beach (midway bet. Syracuse and Utica in upstate NY) ! Anyone heard about this gig? Torgo, you got your ears on? This is a bar that, under a different name, I played a zillion bar gigs at. Now being called the T-Rex Club. Cool to hear Godzilla in such a venue! theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 2 14:05:28 1997 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:05:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Set list Message-ID: Theo said: > Say, the local rag is listing a BOC show for 12 july at Sylan Beach > (midway bet. Syracuse and Utica in upstate NY) ! Anyone heard about > this gig? Torgo, you got your ears on? This is a bar that, under a > different name, I played a zillion bar gigs at. Now being called the > T-Rex Club. Cool to hear Godzilla in such a venue! > theo How do you get there from the Thruway? I'm definately there. Maybe I'll even get to meet you Theo- seeing as though we missed each other at the Utica gig last December. For those of you curious about the Utica gig last December (Aren't we all) There's a review on the "Imaginos" site. Or at least there was the last time I looked. Brian brianh at pulleyn.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2261 bytes Desc: not available URL: From TOJACKSO at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 2 15:27:45 1997 From: TOJACKSO at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:27:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Set list Message-ID: Brian, Sounds like a plan to me! Best way to get there is to take the thruway to syracuse. use exit 35 [a mile from my house] which lets out on a traffic circle. you go 3/4 around the circle and take a right so that Carrier is on your right and the Marriot is on your left. I think it's rte. 298. Anyway, you stay right on this road about 10 miles til you hit a crossroads with a bar called Floyd's Corner House, and you take a left--sign will indicate Bridgeport. At Bridgeport, you take a right on Rte. 31. Hey, you're from B'ville right? Then you know how to get to rte 31. You could get there from Cicero, by taking 81 north and then heading south on 31. Anyway, you stay on 31 about 10 miles from Bridgeport and you'll see the sign for a left turn indicating Sylvan Beach. Follow that for a little ways, and you're there. Not sure where to go from there, but Sylvan Beach is small so you can't get lost. You could also just stay on the Thruway til Verona, exit and take rte 49 or is it 365? east til you find 31, then turn left. This would actually be quicker, then it would be a right turn to Sylvan Beach. Anyway, I'm off line til monday. Hope you can make the show. Let me know if you have any questions... ted From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 2 15:38:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:38:18 EDT Subject: oops! Message-ID: Apologies to the list for the personal email! But feel free to send the directions to anyone wanting to attend! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 2 16:07:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:07:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: D&S Live Message-ID: > BTW: did Al ever sing D&S live? Or has it always been sung by EB? Al sang both Dominance & Submission and Astronomy when the band first started doing those tunes live back around '74 (might have been before *Secret Treaties* came out), but the vocals were turned over to Eric. Presumably Albert was the best-sounding vocalist (they all tried in rehearsal I believe) for Dominance & Submission, if I remember what Bolle told me about this, but they gave Eric the vocal duties on it anyway. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 2 17:38:20 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:38:20 -0600 Subject: BOC : ETL and some more. Message-ID: With apologies to our resident HW fans but I think its great that BOC discussions are dominating the list right now. Al>Yes that article in question was from John Holstrom's original Punk Magazine. JH now edits High Times. And yes, we were upset about the recording conditions for most of that album. If you listen carefully you can hear feedback from the monitors on some songs but in retrospect that remains my favorite BOC album. All live, high energy, even Eric's guitar playing was OK. It wasn't the final result that we minded as much as what we had to endure to make it. Some great tracks were ruined because of the monitor mixer." Hehehehe. Not making fun of you Al but it sure puts a damper on my thinking when I was 17. I used to think Rock Stars had the best of all worlds, 1st class hotels, limo's all the equipment they could ever want. When your sitting in the audience enjoying a show it dosen't really dawn on you how much preparation and work you guys actually do. All we ever saw was you having the time of your life. Think I'll keep my day job. Gumby Man>The reasons I loved ETL: GM> *I happen to really enjoy the first four tracks (Dom and Sub, Cities, Dr. M, and Red and Black), even though Al is only on one. These four tracks worked well together. GM glad to see ya dude. I always thought D&S and Cities were rather flat. Yeah they are fairly well played and the overall sound quality is better but these songs are just played. They don't have any emotional content. I swear by the versions Al sings. Eric is a better singer than the pulic ever gave him credit for but he dosen't do these songs with great passion or flare. GM>Joan Crawford and Black Blade sound just as good live...a tough feat. Joan is especially good on this one. Actually I have never heard a live version of Joan I didn't like. Chris Baker >Regarding the recent discussion of BOC stage presence etc.: BOC was the first band I ever saw live (73) and I remember one of the reactions that my friend Frank and I both had to the show: "Who's the leader?" A valid point and one I echoed a few years later when I first saw them. It seemed with every song someone else was singing, be it Joe, Al, Buck or Eric. One thing I knew it was not Alan who just smoked cigarrettes and played. I assumed Eric by default as he did most if not all of the talking between songs. Any of the four could easily be a lead singer. Surprising, with four vocalist BOC was never big on harmonies with their vocals. I guess it wasn't in vogue then but would certainly be a positive attribute now. >Re ETL: Hate this thing, pull it out every six months to see if it's as bad as I remember, and it always is...half the mistakes and one-fourth the fire of OYF. I'm not just saying this to kiss Albert's ass, either; as I recall I didn't like his drumming on this albums' D & S either, though I'm not gonna pull it out now to find out (I've still got 39 days to go)...and that version of The Red and the Black -- a sacrilege, an abomination, possibly the most drag-ass drumming I've ever heard on a BOC record, and horribly recorded into the bargain. I can't go as far and say I hate it but it is somewhat sterile sounding. I'll admit I don't own it on cd, have it on cassette but have never bothered to purchase it on cd. Seemed kind of pointless to buy it if I'm not going to play it. >Myself, I don't like Cities, Before the Kiss, Red and the Black, Buck's Boogie... I love all the songs with the exception of Dizbusters (please don't ask why) I do admit that the music to Dizbusters peels paint from the walls and is marvelous. I just don't like all the aspects of this song, studio or live. L8er lil' ab "There are many mysteries in this universe, big and small. Like, why do clowns make us laugh? Why do we love puppy dogs? And, why do little blue midgets hit me with fish?" - The Tick OBCD - Waymon Tisdale, In the Zone From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 2 19:21:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 01:21:47 +0200 Subject: BOC: early live Message-ID: Brian: >Actually, the 1st album(s) I bought was a two-for-one cassette of AOF and Spectres. >I bought ETI soon after. I just meant that I bought it before OYF. Sorry! But ETL is a quite good BOC introduction anyway. >Well, I know Eric sang it on Live '76. Before that, I'm not sure. Al sings it when the Brain >Surgeons play it live though. John sorts things out (as usual) in a later mail. > I think it's on the "Pull the Plug" tape that you get for buying >a Surgeons album for a friend. > >Do you need a Surgeons album, friend? ;-) Yes friend, I _do_! The only one I've got is Eponomyous (sp? I believe that title isn't meant for non-anglosachian persons... I wonder if I ever spelled it right)... Are you the same Brian who wrote me a snail-mail for a thousend years ago or something... you had seen my address in a BOC FC letter, and you asked if I had any Sabs stuff to trade??? You had just seen the Costa Mesa shows?! Does it ring a bell? I know I wrote a respond but I'm not quite sure if I ever send it... (did I?) Well, is it you or not????????????????? I'm curious... ((I haven't asked you this before, have I?)) tjenixen -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 2 19:37:19 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 01:37:19 +0200 Subject: BOC: D&S Live Message-ID: John: >Al sang both Dominance & Submission and Astronomy when the band first >started doing those tunes live back around '74 (might have been before >*Secret Treaties* came out), but the vocals were turned over to Eric. >Presumably Albert was the best-sounding vocalist (they all tried in >rehearsal I believe) for Dominance & Submission, if I remember what >Bolle told me about this, but they gave Eric the vocal duties on it >anyway. Aha, but we still don't know why... I'll guess Al himself is the only one who can answer this... Who wrote the lyrics? The think cred says Pearlman&Al (I'm not sure... and I can't take a look in the FAQ right now 'cos nothing on the NET outside of Sweden is reachable this night...) but that means both lyrics and music. The song has both Pearlman references (i.e Suzie) and Al references (i.e the year and so on... but I'm not sure about this one either...) This is for Jerry... I've discovered he's pretty good in Swedish: Nu ska jag g? hem och steka mig en korv innan jag g?r och l?gger mig, det ?r jag i-alla-fall s?ker p?!!! :-) mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From johnv at NCWEB.COM Wed Jul 2 21:42:41 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:42:41 -0400 Subject: were are all the windheads! Message-ID: where in the world are all the windheads at im getting tired of reading all this boc mail! From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Jul 2 22:59:42 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:59:42 -0700 Subject: Brain: San Diego Message-ID: Finally got through to the booking agent (Tim, 619-232-4355, hours 12-2 pm PT) at the Casbah (2501 Kettner Blvd, San Diego), and he confirms tBS at his club on Friday, 01 August. He said the band would probably hit the stage about 9:30 or 10:30 pm--he wasn't quite sure of the time, since there are 2 other acts that night, too: a Belgium-based band called "Deis," and a LA-based band called "Froggy Molly." (Think that was the name, anyway.) Cover charge will probably be $7-$7.50, payable at the door (no tickets). That's the good news--a confirmed tBS date in Southern California! WOO HOO!! Now the (maybe) bad news. I swung by this club yesterday after I'd picked up my BOC tickets for Cane's at Mission Beach, and was kinda scared to leave my kids in the parked car. The club is in a dumpy area (not too far from airport) and looked.....well....I guess "seedy" would be the word I'm looking for. Right down to the transient sleeping out front of the door. :( But hey--if Al and Deb are going to be there, I'm going to be there, too, dammit!! (Probably with my pepper-spray in one hand and my Spyderco knife in the other!! :o ) Directions: Get to the I-5 South anywhere north of the I-8 (the I-8 runs through the middle of San Diego) and head south. Once you pass the I-8, look for the Kettner Blvd exit (about a mile or so south of the I-8. Take the Kettner Blvd exit (which puts you, logically enough, on Kettner Blvd, which is a one-way street), and continue south until you get to Laurel St. The Casbah is a red-walled club with an apartment over it on the north-east corner of Kettner/Laurel. Parking is available at a parking garage across from the club on the west side of Kettner. Try to avoid the transients. Hope to see a good online crowd there. :) -- Mike From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Jul 2 23:10:06 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:10:06 -0700 Subject: BOC: Mission Beach Message-ID: Dropped down to Cane's Bar & Grill yesterday to buy my ticket for the 3 July show (After Bakersfield, this'll be my 3rd show in 16 years--2nd in a week!! I've really been missing out!!), and I've got two bits of wisdom to pass on: # 1 This club is small!!!! I mean really tiny (well, compared to Bakersfield)--probably fit 200, maybe 250, people max!! I called (619-488-1780) down to get ticket prices ($12) and asked if I could get them at the door, and the management said they didn't know, it might sell out. After seeing the stage area (about 1/2 the size of Bakersfield's) and audience zone, I can believe it. They must HAVE to limit ticket sales. Anybody wants to go, call the club, you might be able to charge them and pick them up Will Call. # 2 If you try to find this place using the street address (3105 Oceanfront Walk, Mission Beach) and a map, there is NO WAY you are going to find it!!! The club is part of Belmont Park (amusements, roller coaster, restaurants), and THAT is in the 3100 block of Mission Blvd. (I found it when, after driving all over, I stopped at Belmont Park to use a payphone, intending to call the club and get directions. As I walked to a payphone, I glanced at a nearby building, whose sign read "Cane's Bar & Grill." True story. ) Directions: Take I-8 west from any of the connecting freeways (I-5, I-15, I-805, SR-163, or SR-209) until you basically run out of land. Just before that happens, take the Mission Bay Dr West exit (same way as to SeaWorld) and continue west on that. Mission Bay Dr will dead-end at Mission Blvd and Belmont Park. Turn left, then right into a large parking lot. Cane's is furthers building west, right on the beach. Cool rooftop restaurant. Hope to see onliners well represented. -- Mike Oops! Forgot some stuff! Doors open at 8 pm. Management (at least the ticket seller/waitress/bartender I talked with) didn't really know what time BOC was going on. Ticket lists additional acts of "Mercy House" and "No Bargain." Then again, "No Bargain" might mean "no passes," etc, instead of the name of a band. One more day! From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Thu Jul 3 03:45:34 1997 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 03:45:34 -0400 Subject: Stairway to the Single Message-ID: Dans un courrier date du 01/07/1997 07:50:34, hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) a ecrit : << I'm sure I have got a single with a live "Stairway" on it from the same period - presumably it just missed getting on the album. Does this anyone else remember this release? >> A live version of STTS, recorded in june, 8th 1975 at the Long Island Arena in Commack (NY) as a part of a KBFH Radio Show, appears as a B-side on the english release of WGGOOTP (live from SEE) [1978, CBS, 6909, november 5th, 7'' promo & stock copy]. BTW, I'm after these things. So if you're my man, let me know... LuKe From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Thu Jul 3 05:38:27 1997 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:38:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Stairway To The Single Message-ID: Dans un courrier date du 01/07/1997 07:50:34, hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) a ecrit : << I'm sure I have got a single with a live "Stairway" on it from the same period - presumably it just missed getting on the album. Does this anyone else remember this release? >> A live version of STTS, recorded in june, 8th 1975 at the Long Island Arena in Commack (NY) as a part of a KBFH Radio Show, appears as a B-side on the english pressing of WGGOOTP (live from SEE) [1978, CBS 6909, november 5th, 7'' promo & stock copy]. BTW, I'm after these things. So if you're my man, let me know... LuKe From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jul 3 09:52:14 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:52:14 -0500 Subject: HW tape of recent show? Message-ID: Hi: just wondering (again) if anyone taped the most recent Hawkwind and Huw Lloyd-Langton shows. I'd like to set up a tape trade if anyone has these. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Jul 3 11:37:59 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:37:59 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 update - LaborDay SpaceRock Festival Message-ID: Greetings Spacers, I just got the Strange Daze 97 package, with cool flyers posters n' stuff. Here is the Weekend itinerary: ****************************************************** SATURDAY OPENING CEREMONIES WITH: GAIA AVATARA 12:00 TO 12:45 PM RED GIANT 1:30 TO 2:15 PM NUCLEON 3:00 TO 3:45 PM ST37 4:30 TO 5:30 PM ARCHITECTURAL METAPHOR 6:15 TO 7:15 PM F/i 8:00 TO 9:00 PM NIK TURNER 10:00 TO 12:00 MIDNITE +PRESSUREHED & MYSTERY GUESTS SUNDAY ENJOY FREE MORNING COFFEE WITH: BIONAUT 10:45 TO 11:45 AM NICK RIFF 12:30 TO 1:30 PM MELTING EUPHORIA 2:15 TO 3:15 PM BORN TO GO 4:00 TO 5:00 PM QUARKSPACE 5:45 TO 6:45 PM ALIEN PLANETSCAPES 7:30 TO 9:00 PM HAWKWIND 10:00 TO 12:00 MIDNITE DRUMPLAY - LEAD DRUM CIRCLE AROUND BONFIRE AFTER MIDNIGHT *************************************************************** Saturday/Sunday August 30th/31st, 1997 at Beautiful Brushwood Folklore Center Campgrounds. 8881 Bailey Hill Road - Sherman, NY (Southwest NY State). Mail order tickets on sale 6/15 to 8/15 - No mail orders after 8/15/97. Information, Maps & Schedule sent with tickets $35 Advance Mail order - $40 at the gate Price Includes two nights Camping. Cheques or Money Orders to: "Strange Trips" - 4485 West 130th Street, Cleveland, Ohio 44135 *************************************************************** This is set to be the SpaceRock event of the year, if not this Millenium, definitely something to tell your grandchildren about. Born to Go will be debuting our new Robert Calvert inspired song, Radio Calvert. I will also be handing out free, specially bound, numbered and signed copies of my book 'The SpaceRock Manifesto' at the event. Don't miss this! This could be the catalytic moment, where SpaceRock finally reaches critical mass as a movement and a genre. We will be linking energies with the simultaneous performance of Swedish SpaceRock Extravaganza, darXtar at the Stockholm, Sweden Prog/SpaceRock festival. If you are in Europe, attend this festival! Lets energize the planet with SpaceRock. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- "SpaceRock is music that, by design, expands your Awareness through Space, Mind or Time." - Axiom 1, The SpaceRock Manifesto From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jul 3 14:23:09 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 13:23:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 97 update Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:37:59 -0400 Marc Power wrote: >Greetings Spacers, > >I just got the Strange Daze 97 package, with cool flyers >posters n' stuff. [snip] Hey... I'm thinking about coming up to this thing. (it's about time...) Anyway, who else is going and might be able to provide transport from NYCity, perhaps house me or camp w/me (and possibly a friend)? What exactly are the possible accomodations on this thing? >Price Includes two nights Camping. Oh, nevermind. :-) But I -would- like to get there and be with someone who knows a little bit more about that area of NY. Heck, I've never been to any part of NY. Anyway, e-mail me if you'd like to help. Thanks, Damon P.S.: It looks like the least expensive way to get there is to fly to New York City and then cross the state some other way. Since neither my friend nor I will be old enough to rent a car (we have to be 25yrsold, darnit), that's the main reason I'm writing this message. TRANSPORTATION. Thanks again. From torgo at NORWICH.NET Thu Jul 3 15:21:52 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:21:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sylvan Beach Message-ID: Theo said: >Say, the local rag is listing a BOC show for 12 july at Sylan Beach >(midway bet. Syracuse and Utica in upstate NY) ! Anyone heard about >this gig? Torgo, you got your ears on? This is a bar that, under a >different name, I played a zillion bar gigs at. Now being called the >T-Rex Club. Cool to hear Godzilla in such a venue! Yeah, I heard them talking about it on the radio one day and nearly fell down. Pressed my ear to the speaker for details and almost cried when they said the date. July 12 I leave for a week in Maine. So, I blocked it out and tried not to think about it too much, for I knew that a reminder of it would send me spiraling down in the flames of depression. Thanks alot for the reminder man, how do you sleep at night? :^D Back to lurking..... Torgo has left the building..... torgo at norwich.net ***************************************************************** "We all bear witness as history unfolds Lets hope tomorrow can deliver all the promise that she holds Don't look back in anger Don't look ahead in fear You just keep taking her as she comes, until she comes in clear" ***************************************************************** From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Thu Jul 3 18:17:36 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 18:17:36 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine cut-off date/Quark EP 4 trade Message-ID: Hello fellow Hawkwind fans. Recently issue #5 of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space fanzine has become extinct. I gave out the last copy a few weeks ago and sadly had to return requests along with postage donations received after that date. Issue #6 is coming along nicely, once again cut-off for submissions for this issue are mid July as I need to wrap the thing up in time to print etc for the Strange Daze 97 thing. Music that needs to be reviewed also needs to be received by then. I have a copy of one of the rare "Clear vinyl" Quark EP's for trade-drop me a line if interested. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 3 19:08:46 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:08:46 +0100 Subject: Brain: San Diego In-Reply-To: <33BB159E.6E8A@deltanet.com> Message-ID: At 19:59 02/07/97 -0700, Mike wrote: > there are 2 other acts that night, too: a Belgium-based band >called "Deis," and a LA-based band called "Froggy Molly." The Belgian band are called "dEUS" - and they're pretty good: A rare example of an interesting Belgian band outside of the (dare I say the "J" word again on this list) jazz world. Former eresident of Belgium, ChrisW ObBelgianMusician: Fred van Hove - pianist & organizer extraordinaire. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 3 18:49:42 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 18:49:42 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 update - LaborDay SpaceRock Festival Message-ID: >NIK TURNER 10:00 TO 12:00 MIDNITE > +PRESSUREHED & MYSTERY GUESTS hold on a second....since when is Nik going to be in North America? He probably isn't just going to do the fest, so is he touring??? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 3 18:48:07 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 18:48:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze 97 update Message-ID: >P.S.: It looks like the least expensive way to get there is to fly to >New >York City and then cross the state some other way. Since neither my >friend >nor I will be old enough to rent a car (we have to be 25yrsold, >darnit), >that's the main reason I'm writing this message. TRANSPORTATION. I was just in NY for the first time ever a month ago, and the best and cheapest way of transportation I saw was by train. But...then again I don't know how far south the train goes. All I know is that you can pick it up at Grand Central Station in downtown NYC. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFInes at juno.com http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 3 17:40:40 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:40:40 +0200 Subject: were are all the windheads! Message-ID: At 09:42 PM 7/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >where in the world are all the windheads at im getting tired of reading all >this boc mail! > > Psst... I'm here... :-) Maybe you should start to listen to BOC... then will all the mails concern you... (I haven't made up my mind yet if that's a good or bad thing... it takes the whole day to read everything... :-) mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 3 06:25:00 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:25:00 +0100 Subject: off: the orb In-Reply-To: <199707021514.QAA07535@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199707021514.QAA07535 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >I should have put up with the synth glitch >and watched the rest of the Prodigy instead. ..who were too bloody quiet! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 3 06:01:44 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:01:44 +0100 Subject: NIK : BGG was OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <9707021139.aa23796@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9707021139.aa23796 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Yep. Bloody good laugh. > >Where was your tent Jon? We were up the top of the field maybe a couple >of tents down from the steel track. The Friends Flag was flying except >when the wind & rain downed it on Thursday. We sometimes had a couple of >flashing LED's posted atop it at night too. I was in the King's Field, by the sacred circle <>. I know, I know, I shouldn't have camped there, but everywhere else was full by the time I got up there and even that field was filling up fast. (I left London at 6, got to the back of the queue at about 8. Got on site at about 4 in the morning, at which point my car broke down! I had to push the bugger on site! Then we had to call the RAC, who to be fair got there pretty quick. We fell asleep as soon as the vehicle was parked, about 6 a.m. and didn't put the tents up till next day) I don't know if it was the mud or the amount of people or fate but this year I met NO-ONE i know, which is ridiculous after years past. The guy I came down with went on ahead when the car broke down, I didn't see him again till Saturday. My wife's taking the kids to the Big Green Gathering in Wiltshire in two weeks. Inner City Unit *and * Nik Turner will be playing there, rumours of an onstage reunion abound....... -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 3 04:31:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:31:36 +0100 Subject: OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <9707021144.aa24441@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9707021144.aa24441 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >You didn't get one of their tapes did you? > >FoFP Frayed knot.... -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 4 12:49:06 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:49:06 BST Subject: NIK : BGG was OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:01:44 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <9707021139.aa23796 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > >Yep. Bloody good laugh. > > > >Where was your tent Jon? We were up the top of the field maybe a couple > >of tents down from the steel track. The Friends Flag was flying except > >when the wind & rain downed it on Thursday. We sometimes had a couple of > >flashing LED's posted atop it at night too. > > I was in the King's Field, by the sacred circle < sat>>. I know, I know, I shouldn't have camped there, but everywhere > else was full by the time I got up there and even that field was filling > up fast. (I left London at 6, got to the back of the queue at about 8. > Got on site at about 4 in the morning, at which point my car broke down! > I had to push the bugger on site! Then we had to call the RAC, who to be > fair got there pretty quick. We fell asleep as soon as the vehicle was > parked, about 6 a.m. and didn't put the tents up till next day) > > I don't know if it was the mud or the amount of people or fate but this > year I met NO-ONE i know, which is ridiculous after years past.> -- I only made the Sacred Circle at dawn on the Monday when I was sitting atop the southernmost stone for a bit. ObHawk: I did find a record shop tent at Glasters and nailed a copy of Quark, Strangeness, and Charm signed by Bob Calvert. The guys had tons of Hawkwind and related stuff. > Jon Browne FoFP From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jul 4 08:13:25 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:13:25 -0000 Subject: NIK : BGG was OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 03-Jul-97, Jon Browne wrote: >My wife's taking the kids to the Big Green Gathering in Wiltshire in two >weeks. Inner City Unit *and * Nik Turner will be playing there, rumours >of an onstage reunion abound....... Hey Jon Have you got more details on this. like date and place etc? Si >-- >Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 4 13:04:26 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:04:26 +0100 Subject: NIK : BGG was OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: <9707041249.aa09330@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: >atop the southernmost stone for a bit. > >ObHawk: I did find a record shop tent at Glasters and nailed a copy of >Quark, Strangeness, and Charm signed by Bob Calvert. The guys had tons >of Hawkwind and related stuff. > >> Jon Browne > >FoFP AAARRRGGHH!!!!! **YYOU** bought it!"!!! I held it, had the money, deceided against risking the mud, took their number in Bath, wrote to them yestarday......... :( well at least it's in good hands. only 40 quid an' all. Is 30 quid OK for the Bob at Q. Elizabeth Hall a good price then? I'll have to settle for the dave auto on Levitation then! -- Jon Browne From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jul 4 19:14:35 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:14:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: early Albert vocals Message-ID: Regarding vocals on early live versions of Astronomy and Dominance and Submission: It seems to me that I've seen somewhere a rundown on the distribution of early vocal duties on these songs. However I can't locate it, so relying on my own failing memory and the meager archival recordings I have from the period... I remember Albert singing Dominance in the first (pre-Secret Treaties) shows in which I saw it. This was borne out by pulling out the tape of the New Year's Eve '73 show (Academy of Music, NYC). Eric introduces it, but Albert sings it; it features an interesting (embryonic?) take on the "It will be time" line, plus a spirited cry of "No monitor!" before the second verse. Astronomy, which follows, has vocals by a Bouchard -- at first I had assumed it was Albert, listening to again made me wonder if it is Joe (possible?) -- on the verses, and Eric sings the chorus. If that's the correct term given the song structure: at any rate Eric sings the "Four winds at..." and "Call me Desdinova..." parts. He also introduces the song as "Astronomy, a Star" (although I don't know what punctuation he's using); he calls it that twice, so I assume that that was its title at the time. As I recall the album itself was being referred to as "Power in the Hands of Fools" up until almost the release, just before Easter '74. I don't think I knew the actual title until I bought it. Eric introduces D&S in this show too, just to make things more confusing. A year later (viz. Boston Orpheum 12/28/74) Eric was singing both of these, and I don't think the vocal duties ever reverted, although I'd be interested in knowing when the changeover was, or if there was a time when different guys handled it on different nights. Albert? Anyone? From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Jul 5 03:12:17 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 03:12:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: Theo wrote: > (Born to Be Wild) was the last song of the night at the time, and the > mayhem it wrought was an appropriate ending for the show, though in > reality it's just a cover tune. Still, it would be cool to see them > throw it back in the setlist from time to time... As I recall, yes, they did close the shows with it, and then at some point moved it to the position as the last song in the pre-encore set, which I took as an admission that 1) there were better songs to close with in terms of dynamics, but 2) It had been part of the show for long enough that they were hesitant to dispense with it. About the latter, it was definitely the kind of thing that stays in concert-goers minds, and probably got more word-of-mouth than most of the songs that actually smoked more, since everyone knew the song even if they didn't know the whole BOC catalogue. For that matter, I myself remember telling friends about it, since it was like the Tyranny & Mutation sleeve come alive, plus the bit with Buck duckwalking and Eric alongside him like some kind of WWII sidecar... Given all of that, listening to recordings of it was always kind of frustrating, since shod of the visual hooks it suffered a lot, I felt. The playing was more of a jam than anything else in the show, and after a set that consisted of tunes that seemed honed for maximum live impact I felt that this song let up on the intensity. Come to think of it, it seems to me that what replaced it at show's end was DFTR, which was another tune that I felt was not the best show-closer. I think it's one of BOC's best songs, and the live versions of it have been and can be staggering, but I think the band was better off closing with something harder. I have always assumed that this was the thinking behind moving DFTR in the same manner as BTBW, from final song of the night to last in the main set. If Buck does not really excel on the solo at DFTR's end -- and he usually does, and then some, but he's also human and at the mercy of the sound people -- then the end falls somewhat flat, and who needs that? On the other hand, closing with The Red and the Black is about as surefire as you can get. Thought of heading down to Hollister today to see the SummerDaze show...thought for about three seconds. 100,000 bikes and my Honda Civic? For a six-song set? I was wondering today if they thought about breaking out BTBW again...can you imagine? It's probably written into the contract that they couldn't. I wonder if it would have gone over real well (and I don't mean with John Kay) or started a riot. I'll have to ask Buck and Eric via the AOL boards, and report back...Sure Golden Age of Leather was done. Final point: Do anyone else find it strange that the band only has time to do about half of their usual set, and apparently has seen fit to leave the drum solo in? And this is the Nth drummer, too, not like someone who needs the spotlight. I've never seen the guy play, but come on...Godzilla could use a diet even in the regular set. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Jul 5 04:29:33 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 09:29:33 +0100 Subject: were are all the windheads! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970703214040.008fdf0c@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: >>where in the world are all the windheads at im getting tired of reading all >>this boc mail! > >Psst... I'm here... :-) Me too.. >Maybe you should start to listen to BOC... then will all the mails concern >you... (I haven't made up my mind yet if that's a good or bad thing... it >takes the whole day to read everything... :-) I have the same "problem" - I'm also ainterested in about 90% of the OFF stuff as well,; if work takes me way for a couple of days, I still feel I must read everything, so it takes me a week to catch up. ChrisW ObVinyl: Terje Rypdal - Works ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jul 5 05:37:56 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:37:56 +0100 Subject: NIK : Big Green Gathering Message-ID: The Big Green Gathering is a five - day event Nr Warminster ( which is I think on Salisbury Plain not too far from Stonehenge. It's on the A303 same as the Henge, at least.) (last year's was the first on the Plains since the Battle Of The Beanfield.) All events are Solar or Wind powered and there are no generators allowed on site (Wiltshire Police run one but what do you expect?) dates are 23rd - 27th July tix are 40 (or 5 for kids 5-13, 10 14-18) inc. camping. I believe you can take your vehicle on site and camp next to it. My wife went last year. Said it was great. Loads of my friends are going. (note to Si : inc. Sarah & Tim Smith and crowd) Apparantly it's like the Green Fields / Healing Fields at Glasto but without the Babylon! only rule is no dogs as 70% of Wiltshire's sheep population is in the adjacent fields. Address is PO Box 123, Salisbury SP2 OYA Phone 01747 870667 Inner City Unit are playing. NIK played last year (as the All-Stars, I believe) Adrian Parr (who's probably going) tells me he's there this year, and a ICU reunion gig is expected. I'm not going (bollox) as someone has to keep the swadding shop going. Belgium, man! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jul 5 05:39:32 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:39:32 +0100 Subject: HW : Uncle's Sam's On Mars Message-ID: sorry, bad joke, I know. Just thought I'd save anyone else the embarressment...... -- Jon Browne ObVious HW track "Uncle Sam's On Mars" One in the player - new Prodigy. not very PC, rocks LAMF From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Jul 6 05:09:29 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:09:29 +0200 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: I just wanted to let you all know that I am alive and well and the BOC will be in town here in K?benhavn on saturday august 9th!! It is outdoors at a place called 5-?rens on the island of Amagar (where the airport is). The bill is Status Quo, BOC, Mick Taylor's All star blues band and Allan Olsen. The show starts at 14-21 and it is only 40 kr plus the ticket fee, probably about 10kr. They have an e-mail address but no web site: 5-oeren at post3.tele.dk. I am planning to go check the show out and will record for sure! I hope you all enjoyed the 4th of July holiday in the US! Scott ObConcert tonight: Fu Manchu at Rock Ama'r!!!!! From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Jul 6 14:37:29 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 14:37:29 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 update - LaborDay SpaceRock Festival In-Reply-To: <33BBC757.1F65@fcmc.com> Message-ID: In <33BBC757.1F65 at fcmc.com>, on 07/03/97 at 11:37 AM, Marc Power said: >*************************************************************** >Saturday/Sunday August 30th/31st, 1997 at Beautiful Brushwood Folklore >Center Campgrounds. 8881 Bailey Hill Road - Sherman, NY (Southwest NY >State). >Mail order tickets on sale 6/15 to 8/15 - No mail orders after 8/15/97. >Information, Maps & Schedule sent with tickets >$35 Advance Mail order - $40 at the gate >Price Includes two nights Camping. >Cheques or Money Orders to: >"Strange Trips" - 4485 West 130th Street, Cleveland, Ohio 44135 >*************************************************************** Has anyone sent for tickets yet? Is there any minimum or maximum on the number of tickets requested? The reason I'm asking is that some that I've sent for before only allowed a max of 2 requests per envelope. I'm planning on sending in the money for at least 3 next Friday. Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sat Jul 5 18:07:56 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:07:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Friends and Relations? Message-ID: I saw a copy of Friend's and Relations Vol. 6 at a store today. Never knew they were that high in volumes....must've missed vol4 and 5, huh? Either way, i think i have just about everything on it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From johnv at NCWEB.COM Sun Jul 6 17:29:13 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:29:13 -0400 Subject: TICKETS FOR STRANGE DAZE Message-ID: im shure your allowed any amount or it would be specified on the form. threes no trouble. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Jul 6 18:46:20 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:46:20 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Jul 6 18:57:55 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:57:55 +0200 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: At 06:46 PM 7/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? > > > Well, I don't know the answer but I think it's pretty funny you're asking this question 'cos I wondered about that myself earlier this day when I was listening to that piece... Conclusion: who needs cyber-space... Ian links our thoughts anyway... he's got some kind of psy-power :-) -Daniel > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ >Ian Fines >IanFines at juno.com >members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From ChStier at AOL.COM Sun Jul 6 20:30:40 1997 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 20:30:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: I was looking through a friend's comic magazine the other day and saw an advertisement for this comic book convention coming up at the end of July in San Diego, CA. Listed among the special guests was Michael Moorcock and as the company he works for was listed as DC Comics. What's up? Is there an adaption of one of his books being worked on? Or is he doing something new? I know about the new Elric comics out but I didn't think those were under DC though... Any ideas? Thanks Chris From des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET Sun Jul 6 21:11:56 1997 From: des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 21:11:56 -0400 Subject: Strange BOC related weekend Message-ID: Went away camping to a friends place in upstate NY for the 4th. On the way I stopped for gas and in the little convinince store I found a BOC best of cassette tape. "Cool" I thought, "What a great way to start an extended weekend." So I bought the tape (sorry it's in the car and I don't remember the name), it's a weird selection of songs including 'In Thee' and 'Going Through the Motions'. It doesn't realy have a publishing label on it that I can recall but I beleive this collection is put out by a company in Tennesee. On saturday one of my friends and I (a BOC fan) went for a drive into the town of Roscoe, NY (look it up) while listening to the 'new' tape. We shuffled around town and then checked out the community bullitin board and there was a flyer for: '"Hippo" playing July 5th at Rockland House 11pm. Featuring the (a bunch of) Helfigers and Joe Bouchard of Blue Oyster Cult." My friend and I were floored at the irony, also ROckland House is on the edge of town so we knew we were going! To make what shouldn't be a long story short: We went, had fun. It seemed like just about every Helfiger on earth was there except Billy, and we briefly met Joe. Joe is a really nice guy. We didn't spend much time with him though other than Hi, had fun, happy holiday, etc. So I have nothing to report here from him. THere was a lot of hussle and bussle with the Helfiger clan and my friend and I were a bit drunk and felt like this was not the best time to assault him with 'fanboy' questions. I did get some pictures though. I hope they come out. Hippo played mostly Stones covers and they had a lot of energy. Joe looked like he was having fun. They also played Reaper, Godzilla and Cities. We shouted out for Hot Rails which made Joe laugh. The opening band was called "The Works" and they did more recent covers. The guitarist in the band looked like he could have been Joe's son, we forgot to ask so, would anyone here know (Al)? So how was everyone elses weekend? --Eric From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 7 03:51:39 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:51:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: There's a forthcoming title in DC's Helix line of SF comics, which MM himself is writing. No doubt Jon will be able to fill in the details... - Andy ObCD: Judge Trev's ICU - _Now You Know the Score!_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 7 03:56:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:56:20 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: <19970706.184621.11070.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: In article <19970706.184621.11070.1.IanFines at juno.com>, Ian R Fines writes >Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? I don't know for certain either. I always thought it was Bob but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Nik. Is there anyone on this list who actually saw the SR shows? Is so, it would be great to hear about it! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jul 7 05:05:13 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:05:13 +0800 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > In article <19970706.184621.11070.1.IanFines at juno.com>, Ian R Fines > writes > >Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? > > I don't know for certain either. I always thought it was Bob but it > wouldn't surprise me if it was Nik. Is there anyone on this list who > actually saw the SR shows? Is so, it would be great to hear about it! I am 99.99% sure it is Robert Calvert. William From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 7 11:05:36 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:05:36 BST Subject: NIK : BGG was OFF : Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > >atop the southernmost stone for a bit. > > > >ObHawk: I did find a record shop tent at Glasters and nailed a copy of > >Quark, Strangeness, and Charm signed by Bob Calvert. The guys had tons > >of Hawkwind and related stuff. > > > >> Jon Browne > > > >FoFP > > AAARRRGGHH!!!!! **YYOU** bought it!"!!! > > I held it, had the money, deceided against risking the mud, took their > number in Bath, wrote to them yestarday......... :( Sorry. I'd made the same decision until my SO offered to bung it in her car boot and take it back to London with her. > well at least it's in good hands. only 40 quid an' all. A snip eh? :-) > Is 30 quid OK for the Bob at Q. Elizabeth Hall a good price then? Pretty good. I'd have put the going rate at about 25 quid a year ago. > I'll have to settle for the dave auto on Levitation then! I did consider that too but enjoy! It does seem to be a pretty good record shop though. THey had quite a few of the singles. > Jon Browne FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 7 11:09:01 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:09:01 BST Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Ian R Fines's message of Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: Ian R Fines writes: > Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? Isn't it Nik? FoFP From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jul 7 08:28:57 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:28:57 +1000 Subject: Review: Hawkwind @ Blackheath, 7 June In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hej Carl! Are you back from "the North" yet? I was wondering if you minded if your Blackheath review made an appearance in the next "Flying Doctor" ? I'll send you a copy natch Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 7 08:54:57 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:54:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: early Albert vocals Message-ID: >Astronomy, which follows, has vocals by a Bouchard -- at first I had assumed it was Albert, Bolle tells me this was Albert (I have a copy of that tape too, although it's mislabelled as "Wollman Skating Rink"). I can kinda see having Eric sing Astronomy as Albert's vocals sounded a bit rougher in that performance, but I think Albert's renditions of Dominance and Submission blows Eric's away. This is a great song to hear the Brain Surgeons do and Albert's delivery is great. If you can find the Mike Watt CD single with the added D+S track, get it -- Albert delivers the (IMHO) definitive vocal performance of this song. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 7 09:02:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: >Final point: Do anyone else find it strange that the band only has time to do about half of their usual set, and apparently has seen fit to leave the drum solo in? And this is the Nth drummer, too, not like someone who needs the spotlight. I've never seen the guy play, but come on...Godzilla could use a diet even in the regular set. Good point - drum solos (and bass solos too as don't forget Danny's "Monster Bass" solo precedes the drum solo) in such a shortened set make little sense. They really should eliminate it to squeeze in one more song. >Come to think of it, it seems to me that what replaced it at show's end was DFTR, which was another tune that I felt was not the best show-closer. Well, I understand your logic, but since in actuality DFtR really isn't the show-closer (hey, most "encores" are planned - how many times has BOC NOT taken an encore in the past 20 years?) I think it works well where it is (if it really has to be anywhere in the set, which, of course, it does). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 7 09:36:20 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: Strange BOC related weekend Message-ID: >So I bought the tape (sorry it's in the car and I don't remember the name), it's a weird selection of songs including 'In Thee' and 'Going Through the Motions'. It doesn't realy have a publishing label on it that I can recall but I beleive this collection is put out by a company in Tennesee. I think that may be "Revisited", which I have on CD -- check the FAQ for the details, but basically was a Sony Special Products compilation put out last year, although I haven't seen it in stores (got my copy from a CD mailorder place). Nothing new in it, and the cover's a shot of the original lineup doing the 5 guitars. (Eric - could you please send me a copy of the tracklist sometime so I could verify that it is the same as the CD, or, if it's a different animal altogether, then I need to make a new entry into the FAQ) >Featuring the (a bunch of) Helfigers and Joe Bouchard Just fer the record, that's "Hilfiger" - just like the famous designer, who is in that family (yes, Billy Hilfiger and Tommy Hilfiger are brothers). >It seemed like just about every Helfiger on earth was there except Billy, Hmm... thought he was gonna be there -- Billy and his brother Andy used to play with Joe in "The Cult Brothers" Speakin' of which - Joe Bouchard on AOL just announced that the long- awaited Cult Bros. CD will be out this fall -- I think it was going to be called "Joe Bouchard presents the X Brothers" and will be available through Albert's Cellsum catalog. Should be a "must have" for all you fans of Joe's work. John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jul 7 10:13:46 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:13:46 +0100 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. In-Reply-To: <199707071302.JAA01997@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > drum solos (and bass solos too as don't forget Danny's > "Monster Bass" solo precedes the drum solo) in such a shortened set make > little sense. They really should eliminate it to squeeze in one more > song. Since right back in the 70s, I have always felt a slight sense of disappointment at the amount of time BOC spend on stage "wasting time" on bass and drum features - and on jams that link one song with another that take more time than either of the songs being linked - and on general messing about. I'm not saying that all I want to hear is note-for-note renditions of every track of T&M and ST, but I have come away from several gigs feeling short-changed about the number of actual songs the band managed to fit in during a set. I'd certainly rather hear 'Godzilla' played straight without a drum feature every time. History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man... - Mike Godwin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 7 10:23:58 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:23:58 +0100 Subject: NIK: Judge Trev's ICU album Message-ID: Well, not really NIK: of course, 'cos he's not on it... got my copy this morning, given it a couple of listens by now. Not bad, and well worth the 10.75 at the very least. Some familiar material - "Virgin Love" and "Skinheads in Leningrad" from _The Maximum Effect_, "Wake Up" (which is a retitling of the mega-classic razor-sharp satire of "Raj Neesh"), and "Slow Down Motorhead" which was on one of the Atomgods albums, and lots of new stuff, like the penetrating and witty "Special Brew and Tennents". I like it - pretty no-nonsense punk rock for the most part, with Trev in fine voice. It would be great if the classic ICU could get back together, because it was really a case of the whole being greater than the sum, but since that's about as likely as the classic BOC getting together this is a most welcome next best thing! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jul 7 10:28:17 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:28:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Kettering? Message-ID: Do we know the current state of the Kettering gig? I am trying to plan my summer holiday (as opposed to my Autumn break, which will be longer, in keeping with the HW tour), and want to know what is going on. http://www.hawkwind.com/1997tourdates.htm still says Kettering Festival - To Be Confirmed, which is no help. Is anyone else thinking of going to the Green Gathering? Does anyone have a running order (mainly which days Nik &/or ICU would be playing)? I've just phoned up the number and got an answerphone, which answered none of my questions. cheers Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 7 04:27:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:27:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics In-Reply-To: <01BC8AB3.1977EC40@host5-99-51-72.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC8AB3.1977EC40 at host5-99-51-72.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >There's a forthcoming title in DC's Helix line of SF comics, which MM >himself is writing. No doubt Jon will be able to fill in the details... > >- Andy Yeah, be excited....! Initially a 12 issue maxi-series by DC Comics, indeed under their Helix imprint, this is the first series of Eternal Champion stories written by MM especially for comics. Each issue will have 3 ongoing stories by different artists. "Moonbeams and Roses" pairs MM with Walt Simonson (yay!) for the introduction of Jack Karaquazian, the greatest gambler ever to play the Game of Time. In "The Metatemporal Detective" Moorcock teams with brit illustrator Mark Reeve to follow the exploits of Sir Seaton Begg, who comes out of retirement to investigate a series of bizarre deaths at the very highest levels of British society. Finally, "Duke Elric" teams MM with John Ridgeway (who did Summer Magic for 2000 AD, some Hellblazers, and currently Age Of Heroes - he's good!) in an Elric story set in the year 1000 AD. Linda, MM's wife and (alledgedly) harshest critic reckons the series is excellent work. Should really be something special. Not to be confused with the current adaption of Elric : Stormbringer by P. Craig Russell co-published by Dark Horse and Topps which I like a great deal but is going over like the proverbial lead balloon over on the Moorcock list. SO GO AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL COMIC SHOP!!!!! P.S if of course you haven't got a local, I'll be happy to sort out a mail order for you. -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 7 10:36:19 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:36:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: >Since right back in the 70s, I have always felt a slight sense of >disappointment at the amount of time BOC spend on stage "wasting time" on >bass and drum features - and on jams that link one song with another that >take more time than either of the songs being linked - and on general >messing about. I'm not saying that all I want to hear is note-for-note >renditions of every track of T&M and ST, but I have come away from several >gigs feeling short-changed about the number of actual songs the band >managed to fit in during a set. I'd certainly rather hear 'Godzilla' >played straight without a drum feature every time. I wouldn't mind a note-for-note rendition of every track off _Ezekiel's Wheel_... :) I always thought that one of the really classy things about BOC back in the 70s was that not only were the drum and bass solos NOT unbearably tedious like most bands', they were actually really enjoyable! But I certainly don't see the point of having a drum solo in "Godzilla" when it's practically a different drummer every gig... and anyway (IMO) the song itself passed its sell-by date back around 1983. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Mon Jul 7 11:07:18 1997 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:07:18 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Ian R Fines writes: > > > Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? > > Isn't it Nik? > > FoFP I find it hard to imagine it being Nik, since you can hear sax while the vocals are being sung. I'm pretty sure it's Bob. Oh, BTW, this is my first post. Hi. Jumper clown You're the actor in the Barney suit? I love that guy! - Dilbert's manager From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 7 11:59:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:59:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: >Since right back in the 70s, I have always felt a slight sense of >disappointment at the amount of time BOC spend on stage "wasting time" on >bass and drum features - and on jams that link one song with another that >take more time than either of the songs being linked - and on general >messing about. Hmm... I wouldn't go that far, but if what you want to hear is more of the stuff that is on the albums (perhaps not note-for-note), then I can understand your point. However, BOC really started out as a band that did a lot of jams (Soft White Underbelly's songs were very free-form improvisational in a similar vein as the Grateful Dead), and also did many covers, so the roots of the band show through. Personally, I find a lot of that stuff interesting, and something you can't get by sitting at home listening to the albums. I would also imagine that these bits are done not only with the fans in mind, but a bit with the band in mind as it must be fun to do these jams and solos where they don't have to feel like they need to do stuff the same way every night. Certainly in a shortened set some of these things need to go, but in a full show, I think some of these things add something to the show. John From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jul 7 12:47:54 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:47:54 -0600 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Hi! Does anyone lnow if Spiral Realms has put out a live CD? I'm hearing rumors of this! Any help appreciated:) If it's out there-I want it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >>> John A Swartz 07/07/97 07:02am >>> Well, I understand your logic, but since in actuality DFtR really isn't the show-closer (hey, most "encores" are planned - how many times has BOC NOT taken an encore in the past 20 years?) >>>>>>>>>> Well the last time they were here (Salt Lake) there was NO encore. Quite disappointing. Particularly when GAoL was planned. Still waiting to hear it live.... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us P.S. This was not the "Summer Daze" tour show they did, I missed that last Wednesday. :( From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 7 13:03:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:03:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Since right back in the 70s, I have always felt a slight sense of > >disappointment at the amount of time BOC spend on stage "wasting time" on > >bass and drum features - and on jams that link one song with another that > >take more time than either of the songs being linked - and on general > >messing about. > > Hmm... I wouldn't go that far, but if what you want to hear is more of > the stuff that is on the albums (perhaps not note-for-note), then I can > understand your point. However, BOC really started out as a band that > did a lot of jams (Soft White Underbelly's songs were very free-form > improvisational in a similar vein as the Grateful Dead), and also did > many covers, so the roots of the band show through. Personally, I find > a lot of that stuff interesting, and something you can't get by sitting > at home listening to the albums. I would also imagine that these bits > are done not only with the fans in mind, but a bit with the band in mind > as it must be fun to do these jams and solos where they don't have to > feel like they need to do stuff the same way every night. Certainly > in a shortened set some of these things need to go, but in a full show, > I think some of these things add something to the show. > > John Plus, often a song idea will emerge from jamming. Someone plays a clever lick, and the rest of the group jumps on it... theo From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Mon Jul 7 13:16:40 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:16:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: >I wouldn't mind a note-for-note rendition of every track off _Ezekiel's >Wheel_... :) For all we know, they may have given you your wish last tour when they played "Harvest Moon" and "See You In Black"!!! From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Mon Jul 7 13:29:48 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:29:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Fwd: Strange DAZE Info, please Message-ID: Hi... I thought some of you would probably be able to answer some of my questions also. So, I'm forwarding my own message. Thanks. On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:17:43 DAMON CAPEHART wrote: ---- Forwarded message follows ---- Heya... since you are doing most of the planning concerning the event, perhaps you could answer a few questions for me to keep my girlfriend from worrying too much while I'm about 1200 miles away on a strange campground. [I wish I could take her. :-) ] I suppose for anything you aren't sure about I can just call someone at the site. 1) What will security be like up there? (Obviously, a few people will slip through with whatever - um - stuff they have, but do you know what precautions, if any, the campground personnel will be taking?) 2) What kind of camping accomodations are available? Are there cabins or will we be bringing our own tents/sleeping bags/other miscellaneous supplies? Will there be a suggested supply list within the information sent with the tickets? Thanks much for your help (and for the event!), Damon From johnv at NCWEB.COM Mon Jul 7 13:19:26 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:19:26 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: PAM, as far as i recall yes,spiral realms has a disc out titled SOLAR WIND its live material from 1995 when they opened for nik turner on his space ritual tour. john From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jul 7 13:27:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:27:30 -0400 Subject: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Yes there is a live Spiral Realms CD, although I forget the name at the moment. It isn't CRYSTAL JUNGLES OF EOS or TRIP TO G9, if that helps... CJoE has got to be my favorite of them all, FWIW... The cover has the spaceship diving towards a torus (a do-nut shaped object) with a predominately silver gray colour scheme. I just can't remember the title!!! Found it at Media Play in the "techno" section. ObCDPlayer / The Truth Is Out There / VA (more synth music inspired by the X-Files! Good stuff!!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Cliff and Pam Wheaton[SMTP:cwheaton at MICRON.NET] Sent: Monday, July 07, 1997 12:47 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Hi! Does anyone lnow if Spiral Realms has put out a live CD? I'm hearing rumors of this! Any help appreciated:) If it's out there-I want it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > Does anyone lnow if Spiral Realms has put out a live CD? I'm hearing > rumors of this! Any help appreciated:) If it's out there-I want it!! _Solar Wind (live)_ came out last year. It is actually instrumental pieces performed on Nik Turner's _Past or Future_ tour. There are several Spiral Realms tracks, and covers of Hawkwind's "Forge of Vulcan" and Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive". Cleopatra/Hypnotic 9764-2. From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Mon Jul 7 13:59:51 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:59:51 -0400 Subject: Bob Calvert Message-ID: Hi, I have a queston which I am curious about. Was Bob Calvert and Brock friends when Calvert died? Just wondering. Thanks! Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings. Well it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your mind's eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. (Hurry on Sundown, by Hawkwind) From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Jul 7 14:11:03 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 04:11:03 +1000 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Ken Alexander wrote: > > > Does anyone lnow if Spiral Realms has put out a live CD? I'm hearing > > rumors of this! Any help appreciated:) If it's out there-I want it!! > > _Solar Wind (live)_ came out last year. It is actually instrumental > pieces performed on Nik Turner's _Past or Future_ tour. There are several > Spiral Realms tracks, and covers of Hawkwind's "Forge of Vulcan" and > Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive". Cleopatra/Hypnotic 9764-2. Aside from this one, there is apparently one called "Live Transmissions from G9", which I've never seen, but seen adverts for, though. - Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Jul 7 14:16:18 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 04:16:18 +1000 Subject: Bob Calvert Message-ID: Jeffrey Hoyt wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a queston which I am curious about. Was Bob Calvert and > Brock friends when Calvert died? Just wondering. Thanks! > > Jeff Well, one one hand, I've got a 86 or 7 tape with him talking about financial battles with HW. On the other, there was apparently talk of him re-joining HW when he popped off. Gee, what a thought, if he had of re-joined, the world would probably be without such "classics" as Codex & Black Sword - though I don't want to start up a fight about which album is better/worse again :'> And so - to answer your question - I don't know. - Max Wilcox From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jul 7 14:29:44 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:29:44 PDT Subject: Bob Calvert In-Reply-To: <199707071759.AA17171@lcfn.org>; from "Jeffrey Hoyt" at Jul 7, 97 1:59 pm Message-ID: > > Hi, > > I have a queston which I am curious about. Was Bob Calvert and > Brock friends when Calvert died? Just wondering. Thanks! > > Jeff > I think so, as there was a HW/Calvert reunion planned (wasn't there?). I don't think it went any farther than the "we gotta do this sometime or another" stage, though... I never thought that there was any animosity between Brock and Calvert or have I just not been paying attention? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 7 12:13:47 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:13:47 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Rob Vincent writes >Hi. > >Jumper clown Hi! -- Jon Browne From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jul 7 16:08:41 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:08:41 -0400 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: > > _Solar Wind (live)_ came out last year. [...] Cleopatra/Hypnotic 9764-2. > > Aside from this one, there is apparently one called "Live Transmissions > from G9", which I've never seen, but seen adverts for, though. I doubt it. It has the *same* catalog number as _Solar Wind_, so I think maybe _Live Transmissions from G9_ was the working title. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jul 7 16:20:20 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:20:20 -0600 Subject: New Address Message-ID: It is now official. We have become http://www.TransWestTaxi.com/~cwheaton. E-Mail will reach us at: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com. I hope this works and does not upset anyone with all these addresses. I have never tried to send to multiple addresses before. Cliff, Boise Idaho USA -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Ken Alexander wrote: > > > > _Solar Wind (live)_ came out last year. [...] Cleopatra/Hypnotic 9764-2. > > > > Aside from this one, there is apparently one called "Live Transmissions > > from G9", which I've never seen, but seen adverts for, though. > > I doubt it. It has the *same* catalog number as _Solar Wind_, > so I think maybe _Live Transmissions from G9_ was the working title. Well, that would explain why I haven't ever seen it. I guess that's Cleopatra for you... - Max Wilcox From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jul 7 16:58:10 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:58:10 -0400 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: > I guess that's Cleopatra for you... Cleopatra, the folks who put "Spiral Reamls" on the spine of _Solar Wind_ and spelled it "Solor Wind" in their listings? Who changed its title from _Live Transmissions from G9_ to _Solar Wind_, leaving absolutely no indication whatsoever on the cover that it was live rather than a compilation? The folks who put "Infadrome" on the spine of Pressurehed's _Infadrone_? The folks who put "Desideraturn" on the spine of Synaesthesia's _Desideratum_? From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 7 16:57:43 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:57:43 -0600 Subject: BOC and Hippos? Message-ID: >On saturday one of my friends and I (a BOC fan) went for a drive into the town of Roscoe, NY (look it up) while listening to the 'new' tape. We shuffled around town and then checked out the community bullitin board and there was a flyer for: '"Hippo" playing July 5th at Rockland House 11pm. Featuring the (a bunch of) Helfigers and Joe Bouchard of Blue Oyster Cult." Sounds like a fun and wonderful weekend. Anybody know if this is something Joe is doing regularly? L8er lil' ab ""LISTEN MAN IT'S ALL CRAZY DOWN THERE UNDER THE SURFACE. A LOST WALLET COULD BITE YOU IN HALF. A BAR OF SOAP COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AND A DISGUSTING MOUND OF MUCK JUST MIGHT HAVE SOME VERY COMPELLING IDEAS. DO YOU DIG MY DITCH?" - THE TICK In the Player - Fates Warning "A Pleasant Shade of Grey" From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jul 7 19:01:05 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:01:05 -0600 Subject: Revisited CD In-Reply-To: <199707071336.JAA07535@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: I know it's the same old stuff in a new package, but does anybody know where I can get a copy of BOC Revisited on CD?? No luck out here in the boonies , a.k.a., Albuquerque. Will buy or trade if need be. God bless.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jul 7 19:04:10 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:04:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert Message-ID: Craig sayz... >> I have a queston which I am curious about. Was Bob Calvert and >> Brock friends when Calvert died? Just wondering. Thanks! >> >> Jeff >> >I think so, as there was a HW/Calvert reunion planned (wasn't there?). I >don't think it went any farther than the "we gotta do this sometime or >another" stage, though... That sounds about right, from what little I know. >I never thought that there was any animosity between Brock and Calvert or >have I just not been paying attention? Well, I think there may have been at least a little animosity from Brock towards Bob during the infamous Paris incident. I seem to remember that the tour van was careening down the streets (and adjacent sidewalks) of Paris trying to distance themselves from a frantic Calvert running after them. This happening after Calvert informed the Gendarmes that Brock was a terrorist and that he was concealing an automatic weapon, which of course, turned out to be a prop. Would this have been around 1978 or so? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I also remember words like, 'You ain't getting back in this time, Calvert' coming from Brock in some interview, perhaps in the early 80's. Or is my memory failing me? Presumably, things got better later on for him to consider the reunion that never happened. P.P.S. If Nik and HW are playing successive nights at the Labor Day thing, does that mean there might be some cross-pollenation going on?? Just wondering. From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 7 20:05:43 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:05:43 EST Subject: OFF: more music while we wait Message-ID: While I'm waiting for the new EBS releases to hit the stands, I thot I'd mention some other interesting items to be picked up: - Archetectural Metaphor 'Creatures of the Velvet Void' is finally out. Available for $16 from the band. - Farflung have two new items. 'The Raven That Ate the Moon' is on the FlipSide label (same as '25,000 FPS'), which makes it a PITA to get ahold of. A second new CD is coming out on Cleopatra called 'So Many Minds So Little Time', should be out already. - Astralasia is putting out a CD-S on Cleopatra called "Seven by Seven". Any bets that this frequent HW-remixer has done it again? - A new Melting Euphoria 'Inside the Gardens of the Mind' should be out next month, perhaps in time for Strange Daze? - I just spoke to Pat who runs Lone Starfighter Records in Texas. He is in the process of issuing the next The Spacious Mind release which is called 'Garden of the Well Fed Heads'. This will be a vinyl-only item (CD version may follow next year). It is a *real* release by TSM, with all new music I am told. 8^) Lone Starfighter is also the place issuing the Ear Candy 'Sound is Just the Way You Ear It' CD for a measly $15. - Word on the Ozrics list says that Eat Static have a new full-length on the way called 'Science of the Minds' or something similar. Make sure to catch Eat Static, Banco de Gaia, and other Planet Dog folks making the rounds across the USA in August and September! - A live Porcupine Tree is on the way this fall, followed by a change of labels from Delerium to IRS. Or so I've heard. No-Man (an alter-ego of Steven Wilson) has released a long CD-S of remixes from the terrific 'Wild Opera', as well as a 12" with live stuff. - Omnia Opera 'Red Shift' is supposedly out now. - CHEAP STUFF: Thought I'd share a good deal I just stumbled across. Buccaneer Records (Baltimore MD, (410)931-9381) just sold me the new 2CD King Crimson 'Epitaph' for $20, and the re-issue of FM 'Black Noise' for $11. Great prices for two great items! I dunno how I'm going to afford all of these items, all the new EBS items (Brock, Spiral Realms, Harvey B., PsyWarlords, LiS CD-S, etc) and still be able to afford travelling cross country to Strange Daze!??!! Guess I'll have to go on a diet again... :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jul 7 19:14:19 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:14:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Akron gig Message-ID: Twas with trepidation that I saw an ad for BOC at the local rib cook-off. Usually these events are the domains of such luminaries as the Turtles, the Byrd (only the drummer remains), etc. Fortunately, BOC put on a decent 45 minute set: Cities on Flame ETI Last Days of May Burnin for You DFTR Buck's Boogie and one other unfamiliar lighter piece. Nothing fantastic, but not a sleepwalk either. Of course, Kansas came on an hour later and burned the house. Now _that_ was a surprise. See them if you can. Wylie From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 7 20:12:13 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:12:13 EST Subject: HW: rare items for sale (from someone else) Message-ID: Just got a letter from Steve Freight, who runs 'Voyage 35' PTree fanzine. He is selling off some rare HW items from his collection, which some folks on BOCL might be interested in. - He has many Polish postcards, at L10 each(!) - 6 photos taken from the slides in the German 'Quark..' LP. - Calvert "Cricket Star" green flexi - 6 vinyl HW boots, including 'Bottom Line', 'Stonehenge 22/6/83', 'Golden Void', and 'Assassins of Allah'. - Some Calvert videos from 1985 and '86. You don't see some of these very often, so I had to share. Prices are not cheap, but probably within reason. E-me if you need contact info (Steve is in the UK). Captain Cloud cjohnson at Hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HawkLord at AOL.COM Mon Jul 7 19:32:05 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:32:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: In a message dated 97-07-07 12:42:17 EDT, you write: > Not to be confused with the current adaption of Elric : Stormbringer by > P. Craig Russell co-published by Dark Horse and Topps which I like a > great deal but is going over like the proverbial lead balloon over on > the Moorcock list. > -- > Jon Browne I for one love this new series! I've been picking it up since issue #1 and am yet to be disappointed, and I was one of those guys buying Elric comics back when they were done by the now-defunct PC comics in the good old days, before they were done by First Comics. Tony From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Jul 7 19:40:35 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:40:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Bob Calvert Message-ID: Keith sez: > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.P.S. If Nik and HW are playing successive nights at the Labor Day thing, > does that mean there might be some cross-pollenation going on?? Just wondering. > Umm, did I miss something ? Is Nik playing at the Strange Daze fest too ?? (thats what you man by the labor day thingy). When did that come out ? Cheers, Steve L. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 7 19:51:16 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:51:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon wrote: >SO GO AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL COMIC SHOP!!!!! I will, I promise! (I know, I've been saying it for weeks (months?) But I'll definitely have to get my hands on these little beauties. ChrisW ObJustReRead: Cerebus: High Society by Dave Sim P.S. Jon - have you got Jaka's Story in stock? From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 7 19:53:51 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:53:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. In-Reply-To: <01BC8AEE.D58453C0@host5-99-51-72.btinternet.com> Message-ID: Andy wrote: >But I certainly don't see the point of having a drum solo in "Godzilla" >when it's practically a different drummer every gig... and anyway (IMO) >the song itself passed its sell-by date back around 1983. I concur, but I thought I might get nailed to a tree for Easter for saying so :-{)> ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From aa5543 at LCFN.ORG Tue Jul 8 00:16:25 1997 From: aa5543 at LCFN.ORG (Jeffrey Hoyt) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:16:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Nik & Brock? Message-ID: Hi, I don't know the degree of dislkie Nik and Brock have for eachother, but, is there any chance at all of them doin a song together at the Strange Daze concert? Jeff -- Hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings. Well it may be war, or any ol' thing. Look into your mind's eyes, see what you can see. There's hundreds of people like you and me. (Hurry on Sundown, by Hawkwind) From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Jul 8 02:38:59 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:38:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Born to be Wild, etc. Message-ID: John Swartz wrote: > I think (DFtR) works well where it is (if it really has to be anywhere in the set, which, of course, it does). Agreed, John -- my point was that the first position it occupied in the set after radio success (i.e., last song of the night) was the wrong position in terms of dynamics. It of course makes sense to go out on the hit, but this was a special case, where the band's set was ferocious and the hit (though excellent) was not a barnburner in comparison. And in those early days the end solo was not as extended as it would become. -Chris B. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 8 04:36:17 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:36:17 +0100 Subject: BOC: Akron gig Message-ID: > Twas with trepidation that I saw an ad for BOC at the local rib >cook-off. Is a "rib cook-off" what I think it is? I saw an episode of _The Simpsons_ where Homer went to a chili cook-off... Anyway, it's a gig, I guess, but it sounds pretty humiliating. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jul 8 05:21:57 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:21:57 +0100 Subject: Me262 In-Reply-To: <199707071559.LAA02325@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Interesting interview with an Me262 test pilot on UK TV last night in a prog about the Sound Barrier. I didn't catch his name, but he said that one of the other test pilots, Mutke, claimed to have broken the sound barrier in an Me262. The interviewee didn't believe it, though, because he reckoned that the riveting and bodywork weren't built to withstand the vibration. There were a few nice shots of Me262s in flight as well - I should have video'd it. - Mike Godwin From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 8 04:18:55 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:18:55 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Ian R Fines writes: >> >> > Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? >> I listened to it last night and there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt that it is Bob Calvert. If it is Nik, then he is doing a damn fine impression of Bob whilst somehow managing to play the sax at the same time. The SR2 version is also Bob although it is less clear. I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it is on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Jul 8 05:28:51 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:28:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Akron gig In-Reply-To: <01BC8B82.9DA86740@host5-99-45-90.btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Is a "rib cook-off" what I think it is? > Anyway, it's a gig, I guess, but it sounds pretty humiliating. "I sure I told them to put Spinal Tap first, and puppet show second" - Mike Godwin From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 8 10:52:39 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:52:39 BST Subject: Bob Calvert In-Reply-To: Jeffrey Hoyt's message of Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:59:51 -0400 Message-ID: Jeffrey Hoyt writes: > Hi, > > I have a queston which I am curious about. Was Bob Calvert and > Brock friends when Calvert died? Just wondering. Thanks! As I understand it, Bob was planning to return to Hawkwind. > Jeff FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 8 10:56:34 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:56:34 BST Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > >> Ian R Fines writes: > >> > >> > Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? > >> > > I listened to it last night and there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt > that it is Bob Calvert. If it is Nik, then he is doing a damn fine > impression of Bob whilst somehow managing to play the sax at the same > time. > > The SR2 version is also Bob although it is less clear. > > I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it is > on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? I'm pretty sure it's one one of the Undisclosed Files. It's from the 1984 tour I think. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 8 04:16:26 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:16:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms In-Reply-To: <199707072058.QAA29037@quip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-ID: In article <199707072058.QAA29037 at quip.eecs.umich.edu>, Ken Alexander writes >Cleopatra, the folks who put "Spiral Reamls" on the spine of _Solar Wind_ >and spelled it "Solor Wind" in their listings? Who changed its title from >_Live Transmissions from G9_ to _Solar Wind_, leaving absolutely no >indication whatsoever on the cover that it was live rather than a compilation? >The folks who put "Infadrome" on the spine of Pressurehed's _Infadrone_? >The folks who put "Desideraturn" on the spine of Synaesthesia's _Desideratum_? But on the other hand they've put out dozens of great records, which would otherwise might not have seen the light of day *at all* love 'em meself -- Jon Browne From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Jul 8 07:19:49 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:19:49 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List,BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU,NetMail writes: >I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it is >on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? sure On Nik Turner's Space Ritual double album... and maybe on "Bring me the head..." but it's hard to tell as sound is so bad... Olivier From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 8 04:23:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:23:11 +0100 Subject: OFF : Cover of "Motorhead" Message-ID: Primal Scream cover "Motorhead" on their new LP Vanishing Point. I like it but plenty won't. The intro sounds *exactly* like Ween doing the first verse before the rest of the band "kick" in (if you can call it that). Worth hearing, but really, not to everyone's taste. NME gave the album a half-hearted review and said if they keep releasing albums like this they'll "mean an awful lot to a very few people". Sound familiar? I'd give it 5 out of 5, myself, but then nobody asked me.... -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 8 08:37:09 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:37:09 +1000 Subject: Review: Hawkwind @ Blackheath, 7 June Message-ID: On 7 Jul 97 at 22:28, Sonique wrote: > Hej Carl! Woops! That wasn't meant to go to the list .... soryy folks! S. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 8 09:21:20 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:21:20 -0600 Subject: Encores, Jamming and Baby Brother Message-ID: Encores: The year is 1995, the place, Jaxx Springfield VA. After playing a wicked yet shortened set (no fault of BOC just slow opening bands and a 2 am curfew) the band chooses to roll a Harley on stage and do BtBW. Written set list showed the first choices were Golden Age and Red & Black. Real disappointing. BTW this was the last time I actually saw Eric sing. Jamming: Jamming is an art. Some great bands, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers, Gov't Mule excel at this. Just try to follow along as best you can. Look at the original lineups background. Buck is the son of a jazz musician, the Bouchard Brothers at one time played R&B covers. The band certainly had the talent for impromptu jamming. Haven't seen tBS live but wonder if they too didn't do some jamming at the historic three set gig a few months back. Baby Brother - Good to see Joe is still doing his thing. Perhaps Al has infected his brother to play for the sake of playing. Danny Miranda - I've seen Danny a few times now and I always come away with the impression that Danny could be a real vital piece of the band. Seems to me we have only seen the surface of what he's capable of doing. Drum solo's - If you can knock the fark out of the skins why not show it now and then. Just no Moby Dick's please. As of 7/7 list membership is 203. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome OBcd - Thin Lizzy Live and Dangerous From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Jul 8 10:51:31 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:51:31 CDT Subject: other/off: Moorcock: Eternal Champion webring Message-ID: All the Moorcock fans out there who have MM-devoted webpages should hook up with the Eternal Champion Web Ring, run from: http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/4255/ecring.htm I just added Imrryr to the queue (nabbing the coveted #8 position in the ring) last night, feel free to join in. There's also a spot where you can suggest pages to be added to the ring. Later, Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 8 11:21:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:21:01 +0200 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Hi everybody So it still looks like BOC is going to play in Denmark only... And it's two shows... -the one Scott mailed us about now and the other one on Jylland the day after ( 9&10 Aug). I find this very strange... BOC is coming to Europe and they will only play in a very small country with 5 millions habitants... Has nobody heard of any dates in, like, Germany and/or Holland??? (But Denmark is close enough to Sweden... so I will go at least :-) mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 8 04:23:19 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:23:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics In-Reply-To: <970707192324_1420461921@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: At 19:32 07/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-07-07 12:42:17 EDT, you write: > >> Not to be confused with the current adaption of Elric : Stormbringer by >> P. Craig Russell co-published by Dark Horse and Topps which I like a >> great deal but is going over like the proverbial lead balloon over on >> the Moorcock list. >> -- >> Jon Browne > >I for one love this new series! I've been picking it up since issue #1 and >am yet to be disappointed, and I was one of those guys buying Elric comics >back when they were done by the now-defunct PC comics in the good old days, >before they were done by First Comics. > >Tony > *Going misty-eyed* Aaah yes , those were the days, a single man with (almost) unlimited budget for vinyl and comics... I always liked PCR's work, and that he did a better job than most on Elric. Anybody remember his War of the Worlds/Killraven stuff (a possible subject matter for Hawkwind?) Cheers, ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 8 09:39:20 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:39:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis Message-ID: Anyone heard of this CD? The track list is: Night of the Hawks (Nottingham, 18/5/90) Back in the Box (ditto) Right to Decide (BBC Session 1995) Quark Strangeness and Charm (Cambridge Junction 11/11/93) LSD/The Camera that Couldn't Lie (ditto) Assassins of Allah (BBC Session 1995) Death Trap/Wastelands/The Dream goes on (ditto) Terror Mystica (vinyl only release) Space Sex (ditto) Gimme Shelter (Original version with Sam Fox) Obviously its a boot or one of those Italian CDs which bypass copyright laws and I have no idea what the sound quality is like but does anyone know anything about those two "vinyl only release" tracks? Their running times are 8:00 and 2:55 respectively. Thanks! Mark From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 8 11:47:20 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:47:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: This is *well* off, but... >I always liked PCR's work, and that he did a better job than most on Elric. > Anybody remember his War of the Worlds/Killraven stuff (a possible subject >matter for Hawkwind?) That's a bit of a stretch at staying on-topic, Chris... :) Have your read Warren Ellis' (rejected) treatment for a Killraven mini-series? Somewhere on his web site, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WarrenEllis, I think it is... anyway, mind-blowing stuff! - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Lower Yourself_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM Tue Jul 8 11:45:11 1997 From: Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:45:11 +0100 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and play only one date in a small venue in a small country... What makes BOC so different to the other bands? Who is now managing them? Are they satisfied with this? Do they care? I am really frustrated to know that they are coming over here but too far for me anyway this time... >____________________ >Jean-Charles Moriaud >Digital Equipment Corp. >tel: +41 22 709 4979 >fax: +41 22 709 4140 >mailto:moriaud at mail.dec.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 8 12:03:12 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:03:12 +0200 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: At 04:45 PM 7/8/97 +0100, you wrote: >Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and >play only one date in a small venue in a small country... Two dates in two venues, actually. :-) >What makes >BOC so different to the other bands? Who is now managing them? >Are they satisfied with this? Do they care? I am really frustrated to >know that they are coming over here but too far for me anyway >this time... Well... this is the sort of things I'm wondering about myself ,though I have no problems to go to Denmark (it's only 300km from my hometown in Sweden). BTW the first concert is also extremely cheap, I can't remember if Scott wrote how much 40dkr are in dollar, it's the same price you have to pay for a BigMac with french fries in Sweden... and there are a couple of bands on the bill... mvh -Daniel > >>____________________ >>Jean-Charles Moriaud >>Digital Equipment Corp. >>tel: +41 22 709 4979 >>fax: +41 22 709 4140 >>mailto:moriaud at mail.dec.com > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 8 12:40:46 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:40:46 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jon Jarrett Message-ID: Hi I just wonder if anyone has Jazza's snail-mail address!? Please send it private. -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 8 13:08:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:08:31 EDT Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: >> From: Daniel Wikdahl > > Hi everybody > > So it still looks like BOC is going to play in Denmark only... > And it's two shows... -the one Scott mailed us about now and the other one > on Jylland the day after ( 9&10 Aug). > I find this very strange... > BOC is coming to Europe and they will only play in a very small country with > 5 millions habitants... > Has nobody heard of any dates in, like, Germany and/or Holland??? > > (But Denmark is close enough to Sweden... so I will go at least :-) > > mvh -Daniel How 'bout you Jerry? Any way you'll make either Danish concert? theo From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Tue Jul 8 13:13:52 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:13:52 EDT Subject: HW: Theta Orionis In-Reply-To: ; from "Mark Edmonds" at Jul 8, 97 2:39 pm Message-ID: >Anyone heard of this CD? The track list is: Heard of it, never heard it. It's a bootleg. >Terror Mystica (vinyl only release) >Space Sex (ditto) The first track is better known as "Terra Mystica," available only on the _Electric Tepee_ vinyl. "Space Sex" is from the _Alien 4_ vinyl. According to the Codex, "Space Sex," while listed on the cover of _Theta Orionis_, does not appear on the CD itself. MWood From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 8 18:19:58 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:19:58 BST Subject: HW: Theta Orionis In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:39:20 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Anyone heard of this CD? The track list is: yep - it's a compilation bootleg CD that was issued (supposedly) as a very limited one-off run. > Terror Mystica (vinyl only release) > Space Sex (ditto) > > Obviously its a boot or one of those Italian CDs which bypass copyright > laws and I have no idea what the sound quality is like but does anyone > know anything about those two "vinyl only release" tracks? Their running > times are 8:00 and 2:55 respectively. As I understand it Space Sex doesn't in fact appear on the CD at all - the Gimme Shelter track is repeated to take up the extra space. However both this and Terror Mystica (in fact Terra Mystica) were originally issued by Hawkwind as extra tracks on vinyl releases of their albums. Terra Mystica can be found on the vinyl version of The Business Trip and Space Sex is on the vinyl of Alien 4. So if you want to hear these in their legit form and help make a contribution towards the band's salaries as well as the Hawkwind tour expenses then rush out now and buy the vinyl copies as well as the CD version of these albums! cheers jill ObSeenOutsideAChineseRestaurant> "Pekingese food served here" I really hope they don't mean that - they may be daft wee dogs but they don't deserve this! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jul 8 14:45:59 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:45:59 +0300 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis Message-ID: >As I understand it Space Sex doesn't in fact appear on the CD at >all - the Gimme Shelter track is repeated to take up the extra space. > Hi! Thats is true. Miikka From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 8 15:24:47 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:24:47 -0400 Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: I got my copy of the "Revisited" CD from CDCONNECTION (http://www.cdconnection.com). Give them a try. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 8 15:33:12 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:33:12 -0400 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: >Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and play only one date in a small venue in a small country... What makes BOC so different to the other bands? Who is now managing them? I think it's more a question of "who ISN'T managing them" as their management sure seems non-existent at times. But, I believe that probably some wealthy person or group in Denmark wanted to see a BOC show over there so they put up enough $$ to make it worthwhile to the band. I doubt that the band (or it's mismanagement) just decided to fly over to Denmark and do 2 gigs. If BOC's management had any sense of intelligence, it would seem to me that they would try to arrange a few more gigs over in Europe while they are there - maybe hit the London and Paris areas again anyway. I guess if you REALLY want to see BOC in your own particular area, you can always put up the cash to get them to come play. John From johnv at NCWEB.COM Tue Jul 8 15:40:28 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:40:28 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: just wondering is there any female hawkwind fans out there? i noticed the mail is male dominant.would like to see some women at strange daze! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 8 15:54:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:54:37 EDT Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and > play only one date in a small venue in a small country... What makes > BOC so different to the other bands? Who is now managing them? > > I think it's more a question of "who ISN'T managing them" as their > management sure seems non-existent at times. But, I believe that probably Right! Consider this Sat.'s gig. Nobody knew about it til it appeared in last week's paper. Clearly, they book a lot of stuff on the fly, and I doubt if the band itself knows about gigs sometimes. In a recent chat, BD said that they were playing at Darien Lake in June--no gig. In the same chat, no mention of this Sat.'s gig, which IS happening! What the Fuck!? > some wealthy person or group in Denmark wanted to see a BOC show over > there so they put up enough $$ to make it worthwhile to the band. I > doubt that the band (or it's mismanagement) just decided to fly over to > Denmark and do 2 gigs. If BOC's management had any sense of intelligence, > it would seem to me that they would try to arrange a few more gigs over > in Europe while they are there - maybe hit the London and Paris areas > again anyway. I guess if you REALLY want to see BOC in your own > particular area, you can always put up the cash to get them to come play. > > John My guess is that whomever hired them could provide a PA system as well, for it seems like a real hassle to fly over, book gear, and then play 2 shows. Must be the group had equipment for the band to use? theo From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Tue Jul 8 15:59:19 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:59:19 EDT Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: I've got some embarassing holes in my HW CD collection, namely _Hawkwind_, _ISoS_, _Doremi..._, and _HotMG_ (I have _HotMG_ on tape, never heard the others). I'm considering shelling out the bucks for the EMI _ISoS_ remaster, just to see the Hawkwind Log, but I might settle for the One Way versions of the others. Anyone care to share their opinion of the remasters? Which ones have the best/rarest bonus tracks? Best packaging? Best improvement over the One Way release? What's the cheapest source for these CDs here in the US? Any chance that any of these CDs will get a US domestic release? MWood NP: _Stardust We Are_ - The Flower Kings From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Jul 8 17:56:56 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:56:56 -0400 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707081957.PAA02772@listserv.spc.edu> from "Marshall Wood" at Jul 8, 97 03:59:19 pm Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > > I've got some embarassing holes in my HW CD collection, > namely _Hawkwind_, _ISoS_, _Doremi..._, and _HotMG_ (I > have _HotMG_ on tape, never heard the others). I'm > considering shelling out the bucks for the EMI _ISoS_ > remaster, just to see the Hawkwind Log, but I might > settle for the One Way versions of the others. Anyone > care to share their opinion of the remasters? Which > ones have the best/rarest bonus tracks? Best packaging? > Best improvement over the One Way release? (I'm ignoring the first album here, since I don't have the remaster of it.) The packaging for all of them is very beautiful and apparently complete, but basically sucks: it tears if you breathe on it, and scratches if you look at it. I swapped all my One Way CDs into those packages and put them in storage, and put the remasters (in the One Way cases) on my CD shelves. Anyway, on to the question of "which ones are worth getting?". The answer is, of course: "Buy all of them, buy all of them now!!" If you really can't afford that option, here's a more reasonable answer for you: I thought that Hall of the Mountain Grill was the one that gained the most through the remastering. I suspect that this is because the music on _Hall_ is more subtle and more complex than the others. Space Ritual is probably the release that gained the least through the remastering. Not because the remaster isn't wonderfully done (it is), but rather, because the One Way release sounded fine to begin with. Yeah, it's a little murky, but that's ok, just think of it as the audible equivalent of the smoke haze you would have had at the concert. ;-) The One Way release is crushingly heavy, which is mostly what I want from Space Ritual anyway, and I still think that it's just fine. So, the order in which I consider the remasters to be "necessary": Hall Doremi (Brainstorm sounds like a 747 landing on your head) In Search (Master of the Universe, like you've never heard it before) Space Ritual > What's the cheapest source for these CDs here in the US? Errrr, dunno. I ordered them when they were first available, and paid top dollar (more than $100 for the set of 4 that I got). They were worth it. Those albums have never sounded so good. > Any chance that any of these CDs will get a US domestic > release? Not only are they not available domestically, but I believe I heard not long ago that _Griffin_ had folded...? And they were the best chance by far of the remasters ever being released domestically. You know, I don't know how well those remasters have sold, but they *were* a limited pressing, and if someday they're not available anymore, everybody who didn't buy them when they were easily available is going to *seriously* regret it! :-) Steve From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 8 18:10:54 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:10:54 -0600 Subject: Revisited CD In-Reply-To: <199707081924.PAA02152@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > I got my copy of the "Revisited" CD from CDCONNECTION > (http://www.cdconnection.com). Give them a try. > > John > Thanks again, John. I'll try them tonight and see what's available. You live in Upstate Ny, right? Going to that Sylar Beach show this weekend?? God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 8 18:08:07 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:08:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Message-ID: >just wondering is there any female hawkwind fans out there? *Are* there any... no, I'll let Jill respond to this one. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 8 18:11:16 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:11:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis Message-ID: >ObSeenOutsideAChineseRestaurant> "Pekingese food served here" I >really hope they don't mean that - they may be daft wee dogs but they >don't deserve this! There was a Chinese chuck-away in Cambridge, in whose freezer, legend has it, was found half an Alsatian. But they never said which half... - Andy ObTrack: MC Solaar - "Matiere grasse contre matiere grise": "un gars arrive, vietnamois je crois, il me dit, MC Solaar, tu manges du chat" -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 8 18:07:03 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:07:03 +0100 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: > Anyone >care to share their opinion of the remasters? Which >ones have the best/rarest bonus tracks? Best packaging? >Best improvement over the One Way release? All of them. Get them now. OK, if I have to prioritise one, _Doremi_ for best packaging, best extra tracks, and best improvement over One Way. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jul 8 19:29:33 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:29:33 -0400 Subject: EMI remasters? Message-ID: MWood sez.... I've got some embarassing holes in my HW CD collection, namely _Hawkwind_, _ISoS_, _Doremi..._, and _HotMG_ (I have _HotMG_ on tape, never heard the others). I'm considering shelling out the bucks for the EMI _ISoS_ remaster, just to see the Hawkwind Log, but I might settle for the One Way versions of the others. Anyone care to share their opinion of the remasters? Which ones have the best/rarest bonus tracks? Best packaging? Best improvement over the One Way release? Well, Marshall, I would recommend that you forget about the One Way versions and save your pennies (or max your MasterCard) and go straight for ALL of the EMI remasters. They stand head and shoulders above the One Way's in both sonics and graphics (although I HATE the Digi-Craps that these disks come in, the plastic delaminates from the cardboard before the packages leave the factory...) As far as rare tracks are concerned, my favorite is on the first release, a pretty faithful remake of Pink Floyds' "Cymbaline"... What's the cheapest source for these CDs here in the US? Any chance that any of these CDs will get a US domestic release? The cheapest I found any of the remasters was at Compact Disc Warehouse in Fremont CA, $19.99 each including the 2CD Space Ritual. Probably long gone and they don't do mail order... Domestic release? After the demise of Griffin, not much of a chance....There was talk by some of the folks over at The Artist Shop (hello, Gary?) about another label that was interested, but I haven't heard anymore about it (pssst, Gary, thats' your cue...) MWood NP: _Stardust We Are_ - The Flower Kings From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jul 8 19:53:03 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:53:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Akron gig Message-ID: > >On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> Is a "rib cook-off" what I think it is? >> Anyway, it's a gig, I guess, but it sounds pretty humiliating. > >"I sure I told them to put Spinal Tap first, and puppet show second" > Yeah... But the staging was first class (a company I used to work for). 120K of light, audience bangers, first class PA. Of course, it was too early to really _see_ the lights... Wylie From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jul 8 20:50:00 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:50:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re:John V. Message-ID: john villani wrote: > just wondering is there any female hawkwind fans out there? i noticed > the > mail is male dominant.would like to see some women at strange daze! hi, this sign on is shared between ron and karyn jennings. both fans, independently- and jointly. there are lots of female hawkwind fans, tho they dont come out till the shows in a lot of cases. there are quite a few women on the list, tho some of them tend to lurk at times. if you make it to a show, you will see quite a few women there, tho the crowd is for the larger part male. Ps... how bout adding a subject to your posts? =) ron and karyn (rj) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jul 8 21:07:47 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:07:47 -0400 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: > This is a second _opinion_.... I have all but "space ritual." But I agree with Steve about the original being fine. can't imagine much they could doto improve it. > The packaging for all of them is very beautiful and apparently > complete, but basically sucks: it tears if you breathe on it, and > scratches if you look at it. I swapped all my One Way CDs into those > packages and put them in storage, and put the remasters (in the One > Way cases) on my CD shelves. I second the assessment. (don't forget to make the switch if ever you decide to trade any of those.)love the way you said it. 8) > Anyway, on to the question of "which ones are worth getting?". The > answer is, of course: "Buy all of them, buy all of them now!!" If you > > really can't afford that option, here's a more reasonable answer for > you: Again, seconded. > I thought that Hall of the Mountain Grill was the one that gained the > most through the remastering. I suspect that this is because the > music on _Hall_ is more subtle and more complex than the others. I agree here as well. that HotMG did benefit the most. But i think you would be better with"In search of space," for no other reason than that it was the third one i listened to (i bought them all at once,) and yet was the one that we really got excited over. (also, you haven't heard it, so it's fresh for you. lucky.....) > Errrr, dunno. I ordered them when they were first available, and paid > > top dollar (more than $100 for the set of 4 that I got). They were > worth it. Those albums have never sounded so good. That is slightly less than top dollar. (well maybe not, in your area.?)i have never seen them for less than $29.00 each. space ritual for something like 40$. Maybe they are only that high from MY > You know, I don't know how well those remasters have sold, but they > *were* a limited pressing, and if someday they're not available > anymore, everybody who didn't buy them when they were easily available > > is going to *seriously* regret it! :-) Yes. rj > Steve From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 8 21:33:25 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:33:25 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: >I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it >is >on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? > Nik Turner's Space Ritual Live CD From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 8 21:35:48 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:35:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Akron gig Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:28:51 +0100 M R Godwin writes: >On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Andrew Gilham wrote: > >> Is a "rib cook-off" what I think it is? >> Anyway, it's a gig, I guess, but it sounds pretty humiliating. > >"I sure I told them to put Spinal Tap first, and puppet show second" > >- Mike Godwin > "Presenting BOC Mach 10, A Jazz Odessy. This is a little number Buck wrote, I hope you like it." From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 8 19:25:33 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:25:33 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:05:13 +0800 William Duffy writes: >Mark Edmonds wrote: >> >> In article <19970706.184621.11070.1.IanFines at juno.com>, Ian R Fines >> writes >> >Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? >> >> I don't know for certain either. I always thought it was Bob but it >> wouldn't surprise me if it was Nik. Is there anyone on this list who >> actually saw the SR shows? Is so, it would be great to hear about >it! > >I am 99.99% sure it is Robert Calvert. > >William But I didn't think Bob did vocals (only spoken word) on the SR tour... From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jul 8 23:31:10 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:31:10 -0400 Subject: Altoona Message-ID: Steve wrote: >Good news! I will be making the trek to Altoona after all! An online >friend of mine from Pittsburgh is going to let me stay at his place >Saturday night, which means I don't have to drive a >hillion-jillion-zillion hours to and from the show....... > >I'm looking forward to some kick-ass rock-and-roll and to hopefully >meeting you. There's been a last minute change. The show has been changed from the Playhouse Theater to Sebastiano's, 1524 E. Walton Ave (814) 941-9000 and we'll be going onstage at 4PM. Yes that is correct - 4PM. It's an all ages show so there's no liquor. It was either that or no show so we'll be rockin' in the daylight! Hope you can still make it! Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Jul 9 01:10:39 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:10:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: early Albert vocals Message-ID: >A year later (viz. Boston Orpheum 12/28/74) Eric was singing both of these, >and I don't think the vocal duties ever reverted, although I'd be interested >in knowing when the changeover was, or if there was a time when different >guys handled it on different nights. Albert? Anyone? In the beginning I sang both songs whenever we played them live. I had planned to record them that way and when I got into the studio I sang Dominance first and that came out great and then I tried Astronomy about a hundred times and got worse and worse each time. Finally Sandy asked Eric to sing it and he did it perfectly in one take. After that I think Joe took a crack at singing the verses (which he wrote the music for) to get a warmer tone than Eric but Eric still sang it the best. I believe the definitive version of Astronomy is yet to be done. I stopped singing D&S live because it was hard for me to sing and play at the same time. I don't know why but it seems easier for me now. Maybe it's the ear plugs? I sang Cities more mechanically back then so it was easier for me to get away with. Al From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 03:32:57 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:32:57 +0100 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <01BC8BF4.6C8A1100@host5-99-52-243.btinternet.com> Message-ID: >All of them. Get them now. Absolutely correct! >OK, if I have to prioritise one, _Doremi_ for best packaging, best extra tracks, >and best improvement over One Way. Everyone seems to overlook the one important aspect of the remastered Space Ritual: continuous music. The side changes which marred the One Way CD are edited so the music flows as you would expect it to. Given that this is a live CD, there is nothing worse than having those irritating fade down and fade ups in the middle of the CD so SR gets my thumbs up as the best one to get. Don't forget that you get the brilliant music and artwork as well! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 04:40:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:40:00 +0100 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's mail of Tue, 8 Jul 97 17:56 -0400 Message-ID: My vote would be ISOS, which has the best packaging of any single CD I've ever seen. Also, the bonus tracks don't repeat any of the tracks on the original album. I find the digipacks are fine for the single CDs. The Space Ritual digipack isn't strong enough. All the digipacks have proper "rosette" CD holders, not just a slot like the disastrous Alien 4 digipack (which actually scratches the CD!). All of them significantly improve the sound quality. I guess that Doremi and HotMG are the most improved. I still don't like the original version of Brainstorm -- it's too slow and stodgy -- but the rest of Doremi sounds excellent. I suspect I'm in a distinct minority disliking this version of Brainstorm, so take no notice! The only remaster I kind of regret buying is the first album. That's because I never played it, and although the remaster is better quality etc., I still never play it. So another rule of thumb would be to buy the remaster of your favourites first (assuming you already know the music). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 04:54:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:54:45 +0100 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707081957.PAA02772@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <199707081957.PAA02772 at listserv.spc.edu>, Marshall Wood writes >I've got some embarassing holes in my HW CD collection, >namely _Hawkwind_, _ISoS_, _Doremi..._, and _HotMG_ (I >have _HotMG_ on tape, never heard the others). I'm >considering shelling out the bucks for the EMI _ISoS_ >remaster, just to see the Hawkwind Log, but I might >settle for the One Way versions of the others. Don't do it!!!! The extra bucks are *more* than good value. > Anyone >care to share their opinion of the remasters? brilliant job. > Which >ones have the best/rarest bonus tracks? Possibly HW, but if you only buy one, it's got to be Doremi. >Best packaging? Space Ritual >Best improvement over the One Way release? Doremi > >What's the cheapest source for these CDs here in the US? Don't worry *too* much about price on these....! You'll be very happy with your purchase, I promise. >Any chance that any of these CDs will get a US domestic >release? Not imminent. > >MWood > >NP: _Stardust We Are_ - The Flower Kings -- Jon Browne ob - Ride - "Taranatula" OK, so it's not as good as "Going Blank Again" but that'd be pretty hard, wouldn't it? From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 04:38:01 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:38:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis In-Reply-To: <199707081712.NAA01936@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: In article <199707081712.NAA01936 at listserv.spc.edu>, Marshall Wood writes >According to the Codex, "Space Sex," while listed on >the cover of _Theta Orionis_, does not appear on the >CD itself. > >MWood Thanks for this info. Now for a really dumb question which might be a bit like a christian asking what the holy trinity is but what is the "Codex"? If I knew about it, I could find this sort of information out for myself. Is it a book? Is it a web site? Is it a mantra chant? Is it me being really ignorant? Does this also mean that I am missing out on some subtle meaning of the album title Xenon Codex or (Xenon Code X?)? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 9 10:32:53 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:32:53 BST Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: john villani's message of Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: john villani writes: > just wondering is there any female hawkwind fans out there? i noticed the > mail is male dominant.would like to see some women at strange daze! oops - I've obviously been too much in lurker mode recently (busy - busy!). Hi John - there's me! But I won't be at Strange Daze unfortunately. I think you'll find there are a lot of female Hawkwind fans tho' at a guess most will have been introduced to the band's music by a male friend(s). My strong recommendation is to find someone and take them along to see Hawkwind play somewhere. You could make a lifelong convert who will worship you in gratitude for all the rest of the days of your life 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 9 10:48:31 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:48:31 BST Subject: HW: Codex In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > In article <199707081712.NAA01936 at listserv.spc.edu>, Marshall Wood > writes > > >According to the Codex, "Space Sex," while listed on > >the cover of _Theta Orionis_, does not appear on the > >CD itself. > > > >MWood > > Thanks for this info. Now for a really dumb question which might be a > bit like a christian asking what the holy trinity is but what is the > "Codex"? If I knew about it, I could find this sort of information out > for myself. Is it a book? Is it a web site? > Is it a mantra chant? Is it nice thought - given that it occupied most of my waking and sleeping hours for several months - yeah, it could be thought of as that! > me being really ignorant? > > Does this also mean that I am missing out on some subtle meaning of the > album title Xenon Codex or (Xenon Code X?)? Codex is just the name we gave it! It's an Index of all Hawkwind tracks cross referenced to the albums you'll find them on. Several Hawkwind/BOC-l list folk got together to create it to try and save people buying the same thing over and over again whenever tracks were repeated on cheap compilations. Its a BIG text file that is stored in various places. Sonique's (Paul Ward) Web page has a copy and there's probably one in the archives somewhere - tho' it's maybe not the most up to date. Mike Holmes (one of the original creators of it) will have the most recent version - and I must finish updating the bit I started about 2 months ago..... promise! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 05:01:09 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:01:09 +0100 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707090840.JAA07226@cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199707090840.JAA07226 at cepheus.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >The only remaster I kind of regret buying is the first album. That's >because I never played it, and although the remaster is better quality >etc., I still never play it. So another rule of thumb would be to >buy the remaster of your favourites first (assuming you already know >the music). > >Dave. I never used to play the first album before the remaster, being IMO almost unlistenable. C'mon, "Paranoia"??? But the remaster gets the occasional outing. Besides, if I didn't have all 5 remasters, I wouldn't be able to concentrate or indeed function as a normal human being as I would constantly be thinking about it. It would be like missing a limb. Nearly. -- Jon Browne From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 06:57:31 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:57:31 +0100 Subject: Golden Void/Void of Golden Light/Golden Light of Void etc... Message-ID: Does anyone know why HW renamed some of their earlier tracks? I think I remember the first time this happened and I was really disappointed to find that what I thought was a new track we just a more recent version of an older one. Cynically, I thought that it was a cheapo way of writing a new song but it continues to be done when it can't be interpreted that way so what's the deal? From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 07:02:21 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:02:21 +0100 Subject: HW: This is Hawkwind Do not Panic .... sequel? Message-ID: Sorry if this has already been asked about but is there any HW book which starts up where TIHDNP left off? If not, are there any plans for one? I certainly hope so.... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 9 07:19:44 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:19:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Golden Void/Void of Golden Light/Golden Light of Void etc... Message-ID: > Does anyone know why HW renamed some of their earlier tracks? I guess it's a royalties thing, they'll have done a deal whereby music publisher X or record company Y (or even co-writer Z, which is a bit sucky) gets a percentage of the royalties on the song called "The Golden Void". But unless (a) they notice and (b) can be arsed, they're not due a penny from a song called "Void of Golden Light". - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 06:54:48 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:54:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Codex In-Reply-To: <9707091048.aa04237@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9707091048.aa04237 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >Codex is just the name we gave it! It's an Index of all Hawkwind >tracks cross referenced to the albums you'll find them on. Several >Hawkwind/BOC-l list folk got together to create it to try and save people >buying the same thing over and over again whenever tracks were repeated on >cheap compilations. Its a BIG text file that is stored in various >places. Sonique's (Paul Ward) Web page has a copy and there's probably >one in the archives somewhere - tho' it's maybe not the most up to date. >Mike Holmes (one of the original creators of it) will have the most >recent version - and I must finish updating the bit I started about 2 >months ago..... promise! > Thanks Jill - I now have a copy of yours and Mike's work - very impressive indeed! I thought about doing this myself recently but I`m pleased I didn't bother 'cos I would have got about 10% of what you've done. From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 9 08:00:10 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:00:10 +1000 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: On 9 Jul 97 at 9:40, Dave Berry wrote: I agree with the general consensus here on all points, and nearly wasn't going to add to it until this: > The only remaster I kind of regret buying is the first album. That's > because I never played it, and although the remaster is better quality > etc., I still never play it. So another rule of thumb would be to > buy the remaster of your favourites first (assuming you already know > the music). I'd disagree strongly here. I've had the first album on vinyl for about 15 years, and in all that time I probably only listened to it 3 or 4 times. When I bought the remasters (all under $A30 thankyou!) and listened to that one, it struck me MUCH more than the others. I must have listened to it about 30 times in a row! I admit this i spartly "re-discovering", but while I can't put my finger on any significant improvement compared to the other remasters, it was this release which I found was given the best 'emotional' effect due to the remastering. I even put the vinyl back on the player - but didn't feel the same about it. But then again I'm probably just crazy, so I'd say the priorty should be ISOS, HotMG, DFL, SR then HW Just my (seasonaly adjusted) 2c worth Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jul 9 08:07:34 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:07:34 +1000 Subject: HW: Theta Orionis Message-ID: On 8 Jul 97 at 18:19, J Strobridge wrote: > > Terror Mystica (vinyl only release) > > Space Sex (ditto) > > > > Obviously its a boot or one of those Italian CDs which bypass copyright > > laws and I have no idea what the sound quality is like but does anyone > > know anything about those two "vinyl only release" tracks? Their running > > times are 8:00 and 2:55 respectively. > > As I understand it Space Sex doesn't in fact appear on the CD at > all - the Gimme Shelter track is repeated to take up the extra space. I think perhaps it is an indexing error. When the CD gets to the "Space Sex" track, "Gimme Shelter" starts. Then about half way through, it skips to the last track and we get the full "Gimme Shelter". Perhaps it is really there somewhere and careful manipulation of the FF and RW buttons will reveal it? > Terra Mystica can be found on the vinyl version of The Business Trip and > Space Sex is on the vinyl of Alien 4. > > So if you want to hear these in their legit form and help make a > contribution towards the band's salaries as well as the Hawkwind tour > expenses then rush out now and buy the vinyl copies as well as the CD > version of these albums! Sounds like a much better idea than messing with the electronics! ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 9 09:47:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:47:27 -0400 Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: Subject: Re: Revisited CD Nope, Boston - which means BOC ain't too close to me too often :-( John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 9 09:49:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:49:08 -0400 Subject: Altoona Message-ID: tBS kicks ass any time of day or night! Deb didn't go into the details of why tBS were "Banned in Altoona" (along with the entire event they were to play at) - care to elaborate Al? John From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jul 9 11:41:58 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:41:58 +1000 Subject: Strange BOC related weekend Message-ID: At 09:11 PM 6/07/97 -0400, E F wrote: >So how was everyone elses weekend? > Shit, compared to yours. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 9 17:15:11 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:15:11 BST Subject: HW: This is Hawkwind Do not Panic .... sequel? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:02:21 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Sorry if this has already been asked about but is there any HW book > which starts up where TIHDNP left off? If not, are there any plans for > one? I certainly hope so.... 'fraid the answer is both no and yes. Various people have suggested writing a follow-up history (Rob Godwin of Griffin, Kris Tait and/or others) but probably only Kris Tait could get away with it since she is close enough to the band to be able to reveal some of the more interesting inside info without being liable to upset folk. However I suspect there would be a lot that couldn't be said or even shouldn't be said (!) so I guess, apart from a bland historical listing of events, I doubt that such a book will ever be written. I'd be very happy to be proved wrong tho'! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 9 12:16:53 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:16:53 -0600 Subject: Al's Vocals the Early Years Message-ID: In the beginning I sang both songs whenever we played them live. I had planned to record them that way and when I got into the studio I sang Al said>Dominance first and that came out great and then I tried Astronomy about a hundred times and got worse and worse each time. Finally Sandy asked Eric to sing it and he did it perfectly in one take. After that I think Joe took a crack at singing the verses (which he wrote the music for) to get a warmer tone than Eric but Eric still sang it the best. I believe the definitive version of Astronomy is yet to be done. I stopped singing D&S live because it was hard for me to sing and play at the same time. I don't know why but it seems easier for me now. Maybe it's the ear plugs? I sang Cities more mechanically back then so it was easier for me to get away with. Al Well if this did not come directly from your mouth/fingers no way would I believe any of it. D&S and Astronomy have always been central to my theory that certain songs were better done by Eric and some by you. Eric is great on Astronomy and I would have a hard time listening to anybody else singing this. Conversely I never listen to the D&S on ETL (heck don't even have it on cd) as Eric's voice is not right for this song. In terms of difficulty singing and playing you could have fooled me. You really made this look easy the times I saw you. The only other drummer I have ever seen/heard who could play and sing as well is Gil Moore of Triumph. I've seen drummers chirp in on the chorus but leading songs and drumming, well there's you and Gil. BOC in Denmark? Theo and John likely hit this one on the nose, somebody is paying the big bucks for this to happen. Bet in addition to the standard set fee, travel, accomadations and equipment are being paid for by somebody. Though I can see why only these two shows, an extensive european tour with out the extra expenses covered is more than likely too costly. Lets see $5,000 divided by 200 list members = $25. Heck people lets throw some cash in the hat and have the guys play a BOC-L only show. We can use Torgo's backyard. 8>). L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 9 13:20:31 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:20:31 +0100 Subject: HW: This is Hawkwind Do not Panic .... sequel? In-Reply-To: <9707091715.aa13798@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In article <9707091715.aa13798 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes > However I >suspect there would be a lot that couldn't be said or even shouldn't be >said (!) so I guess, apart from a bland historical listing of events, I >doubt that such a book will ever be written. Calling Albert Goldman! Job for you, Mr. Goldman.... -- Jon Browne From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Wed Jul 9 15:21:30 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:21:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Orgone Accumulator Questions Message-ID: In answer to recents questions... Bob Calvert sings Orgone Accumulator on Space Ritual and on Space Ritual Volume Two. Nik Turner sings it on Undisclosed Files. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 9 18:28:01 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C. Mumford) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:28:01 -0000 Subject: HEY:..I'm back! (who??):Remasters, Moorcock & Space Babes etc. Message-ID: Hiya BOC-L'ers! Christian Mumford here - I dropped off the list sometime during mid-winter, but after about a week of lurking now, I figured I should pop in and say hi! It looks like things haven't changed much here, so I guess it's safe to start an 'Over Bob's Dead Body' thread again :-)...The real reason tho was I was no longer having an email account at work (i.e. no longer being there..), but I'm (sorta) back in biz now. I know I owe a few people on this list a few things, I'm working on it... ahm just a leetle slooooow, so have patience.. A few things from the past days I _have_ to comment on..: SPACE DAZE: WEIRD BALD MAN SWALLOWS SAX, LONG FAKE MUSTACHE FOUND AT SCENE OF INCIDENT: Good to see Hawkwind headlining a festival in New York - If I hadn't splurged and gotten this PC here I would have afforded to go (and drop by some family while there - but HAWKWIND FIRST!! :-), but then again I would never have known about it had I not.. oh well, poetic injustice at work! EMI REMASTERS: SOAK 'EM IN WATER AND WATCH THEM GROW: I was unaware of them last year, and had just ordered the One-Way Space Ritual, when they suddenly appeared in the store - I went for the first album, it blew me away, so I picked up the rest of them (as usual I was broke again because of Hawkwind! :-). I agree, beautiful, yet somewhat flimsy packaging - especially the SR one. I agree too that XISOS is the one to pick up for ALL reasons - packaging, sound, bonus tracks - and it's one of my favorites. I don't care if there's a little bump or crease here or there on the boxes, it just shows how much I appreciate them I guess - where's the joy in owning something cool if you have to treat it like some archeological artifact... It's not like I'm gonna sell 'em!! (.I hope!). Hey //joe, where ya goin with those One-Way's in your hand......? :-) MOORCOCK'S FUNNYBOOK FACTORY UP TO PRODUCTION AGAIN: Thanks, Jon, wow, I've been waiting for any more info on the Helix series for months - WALT SIMONSEN!!! A dream come true, one of my favorite comics-artists illustrating one one of my favorite authors - any comics fans who haven't read his 'Thor' run at Marvel should!! Jack Kirby on crack!!! (aside from that it's a damn good piece of writing..) .... Also, John Ridgeway is perfect (as usual) for medieval and occult looking stuff, his murky, scratchy 'pulpish' style and all....... As for the Elric series, to be frank I've been waiting for this since I heard rumours of it in ''93 or '94 (the Bane of the Black Sword adaptation had finished off in a haze of mediocrity 4 or 5 years previously prior to First Comics sinking like a rock....), and..... I'm disappointed! I truly dug the early PC and First Elric stuff way back when (the first 3 adaptations), and it seems P. Craig Russell has stylized himself to the point of being uninteresting, and the flat computer coloring robs much of the spontanaety (sp?) away from the art IMO. And why did he make Elric look like this athletic 80's poodle-rocker guy?? What's with the perm? What happened to the unhealthy, scummy soul-junkie with the long stringy hair I know and love?? LACK OF SPACE ROCKIN' FEMALES (i.e. CHICKS, BABES ETC. :-) The reason mostly guys are into this kind of head-music or rampant macho-rock-schlock collecting mania is : a) because we are geeks and losers, or b) it's a 'guy' thing, or c) all of the above. I'll tick off 'c' just to be on the safe side! Anyway, good to be back - it's all good stuff, Christian ObReturnCD: Mooseheart Faith Stellar Groove Band: Global Brain From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jul 9 16:44:48 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:44:48 -0400 Subject: Golden Void/Void of Golden Light/Golden Light of Void etc... Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:57:31 +0100 Mark Edmonds writes: >Does anyone know why HW renamed some of their earlier tracks? I think >I >remember the first time this happened and I was really disappointed to >find that what I thought was a new track we just a more recent version >of an older one. Cynically, I thought that it was a cheapo way of >writing a new song but it continues to be done when it can't be >interpreted that way so what's the deal? > It has to do with the rights to the songs...instead of going thru the hassel, they just changed the names of some songs. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 9 19:17:15 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C. Mumford) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:17:15 -0000 Subject: SV: Golden Void/Void of Golden Light/Golden Light of Void etc... Message-ID: > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:57:31 +0100 Mark Edmonds > writes: > >Does anyone know why HW renamed some of their earlier tracks? I think > >I > >remember the first time this happened and I was really disappointed to > >find that what I thought was a new track we just a more recent version > >of an older one. Cynically, I thought that it was a cheapo way of > >writing a new song but it continues to be done when it can't be > >interpreted that way so what's the deal? > > > > It has to do with the rights to the songs...instead of going thru the > hassel, they just changed the names of some songs. And, so they can change the credits, so that more money can be made off a song, and of course, aquiring the rights to a song. Look at the Business Trip album writing credits, and compare them to the original 70's versions: Didn't Calvert write 'Welcome To The Future' AKA 'This Future' by Brock/Davey/Chadwick? Didn't Turner co-write 'You Shouldn't do That' with Brock, or did Brock/Davey/Chadwick write this hitherto unheard ditty called 'Do That'? Simon King wrote 'The Iron Dream' - Brock/Davey/Chadwick possibly proved a point by aptly retitling it 'The Dream Has Ended'. Don't get me wrong, it's a great album and all, it's just a little disturbing.... :) Here I go again..... Christian ObCD: Hawkwind: The Business Trip (in my player right now!) From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Wed Jul 9 18:13:05 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:13:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: Hey-ho, I'm new to the list, but as a longtime fan of both BOC and Hawkwind, I think it's quite cool... Anyway, I've recently been led to believe that versions of pre-BOC songs (SFG & SWU demo stuff, I guess/hope) is available. The titles I've heard of are "Arthur Comics" and "What Is Quicksand?"Also, I've heard that a song called "wings of Mercury" may be available on a live import. Is any of this correct? If so, what would be the best way of going about getting a copy? Are these things commercially available? Also, I've got a handful of tapes I'd be interested in trading: a couple of club shows in Charlotte from around '89/'90, a radio broadcast "BOC on the BBC" and what is apparently a bootleg of a show at the Hammersmith in London. Sorry no more details, I'm at work right now. YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Jul 9 18:31:29 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:31:29 -0600 Subject: Revisited CD In-Reply-To: <199707091347.JAA17761@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > Subject: Re: Revisited CD > > Nope, Boston - which means BOC ain't too close to me too often :-( > > John > John & BOC-L; Now, now, I don't think you east coasters should complain; all of the cities and venues are relatively close to each other, a few hours apart. Try driving 15 hrs just to see BOC in Bakersfield. Now that's a drive!! BTW, just ordered my copy of Revisited from CD Connect. Thank you very much, John. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jul 9 19:34:15 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:34:15 -0400 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <33C2E463.20E1B43F@starlinx.com> from "Ron Jennings" at Jul 8, 97 09:07:47 pm Message-ID: Ron Jennings writes: > > That is slightly less than top dollar. (well maybe not, in your area.?)i > have never seen them for less than $29.00 each. space ritual for > something like 40$. Maybe they are only that high from MY Well, maybe I should have said "a lot more than $100". :-) I think I paid $30 apiece for the single disks and $40 for Space Ritual. > > I thought that Hall of the Mountain Grill was the one that gained the > > most through the remastering. I suspect that this is because the > > music on _Hall_ is more subtle and more complex than the others. > > I agree here as well. that HotMG did benefit the most. But i think you > would be better with"In search of space," for no other reason than that > it was the third one i listened to (i bought them all at once,) > and yet was the one that we really got excited over. Well, if we're going to talk about which one sent me into low earth orbit, that would have to be Doremi. Doremi has always been the most "intense" of the early Hawkwind albums for me, and the remaster really brings out the *density* and the *attack* of the notes. Those head-pounding chords at the beginning of Brainstorm, that absolutely savage bass-attack in the middle of Time We Left... there's nothing like it. And the remaster makes it sound like the band is THERE IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. I swear, the music enhancement techniques they used are so amazing, that I would be willing to bet that the CD remaster sounds *better than the original studio master tape*. Between the Hawkwind remasters, the Black Sabbath remasters, the AC/DC remasters, and now the Rush remasters... jeez, would they please stop issuing remasters long enough for me to afford a decent stereo to play them back on?!! :-) Steve anybody wanna buy some non-remastered Black Sabbath, AC/DC, or Rush albums? :-) From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Wed Jul 9 21:07:18 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:07:18 -0400 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: > Well, if we're going to talk about which one sent me into low earth > orbit, that would have to be Doremi. Doremi has always been the most > "intense" of the early Hawkwind albums for me, and the remaster really > > brings out the *density* and the *attack* of the notes. Those > head-pounding chords at the beginning of Brainstorm, that absolutely > savage bass-attack in the middle of Time We Left... there's nothing > like it. And the remaster makes it sound like the band is THERE IN > YOUR LIVING ROOM. I swear, the music enhancement techniques they used > > are so amazing, that I would be willing to bet that the CD remaster > sounds *better than the original studio master tape*. > well i think the reason i got goose bumps from ISOS, is that the track- "shouldnt do that"is exemplary HW in my opinion. that song gets me everytime i hear it. i get these mental images of a hundred Astrix clones (remember Astrix and Obelix?) dancing around a huge bonfire. i often end up bouncing around the room. rj From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Jul 10 14:51:57 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:51:57 EST Subject: HW: Astral Mind Games In-Reply-To: <199707091921.OAA29889@wcic.org>; from "John Majka" at Jul 9, 97 02:21:30 pm Message-ID: Hi Just been checking Compact Disc connection and have noticed the Hawkwind Cd -Astral MInd Games (CLE9468). I have tried to check cleopatra releases but it doesn't show up. So does anyone know what this is ? regards Marty From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jul 10 01:36:10 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:36:10 +0800 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > >> Ian R Fines writes: > >> > >> > Quick question: who sings "Orgone Accumulator" on SR? > >> > > I listened to it last night and there is absolutely no shadow of a > doubt > that it is Bob Calvert. If it is Nik, then he is doing a damn fine > impression of Bob whilst somehow managing to play the sax at the same > time. > > The SR2 version is also Bob although it is less clear. > > I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it > is > on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? The version of Space Ritual that was released as an album here listed the vocalists on each track, with Calvert doing the aforementioned track. I think Nik sings it on The Undisclosed Files. Or is it Harvey? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jul 10 01:57:31 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:57:31 +0800 Subject: HW: This is Hawkwind Do not Panic .... sequel? Message-ID: Hi all Anyone know the best place to get a copy of the original book? Should I email Kris? William From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 10 09:56:42 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:56:42 BST Subject: HW: Astral Mind Games In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:51:57 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Hi Just been checking Compact Disc connection and have > noticed the Hawkwind Cd -Astral MInd Games (CLE9468). > I have tried to check cleopatra releases but it doesn't show up. > > So does anyone know what this is ? > > regards > > Marty Would that be the Astralasia remixes that someone mentioned on this list the other day? The title sounds as if there should be a link of some sort. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Jul 10 07:30:56 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:30:56 EDT Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707092334.TAA22656@st-canard.spc.edu>; from "Stephen Swann" at Jul 9, 97 7:34 pm Message-ID: Steve Swann writes: >Well, if we're going to talk about which one sent me into low earth >orbit, that would have to be Doremi. >And the remaster makes it sound like the band is THERE IN >YOUR LIVING ROOM. Heck of a lot of good that's going to do me while I'm listening to the CD here at work! And my wife would probably kick Brock & co. out before I could get home! :) MWood NP: _Starcastle_ - Starcastle From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 10 07:51:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:51:21 EDT Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Revisited CD > > > > Nope, Boston - which means BOC ain't too close to me too often :-( > > > > John > > > John & BOC-L; > > > Now, now, I don't think you east coasters should complain; all of the > cities and venues are relatively close to each other, a few hours apart. > Try driving 15 hrs just to see BOC in Bakersfield. Now that's a drive!! > > BTW, just ordered my copy of Revisited from CD Connect. Thank you very > much, John. > > God bless... > > > Manuel & > No whining from me nowadays. After not seeing them for about 5 years, Saturday will be my 3d time in 8 months! I am psyched! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 10 10:02:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:02:23 -0400 Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: Well, no I really shouldn't whine, seeing that BOC often gets within about 3-4 hours of here, but family duties don't allow me usually to do that. If they did, I'd be at every Brain Surgeons gig in New York (and I still might show up one of these days if I can convince the family to take a road trip). John From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 10 10:12:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:12:11 +0200 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: At 06:13 PM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hey-ho, I'm new to the list, but as a longtime fan of both BOC and >Hawkwind, I think it's quite cool... Hey-ho... welcome on board. I'm also a fan of both bands (I subscribed as an Oyster and became a Hawkster... now I don't know anylonger which of them I like best...) and I think/hope you'll enjoy this place. > > >Anyway, I've recently been led to believe that versions of pre-BOC songs >(SFG & SWU demo stuff, I guess/hope) is available. The titles I've heard >of are "Arthur Comics" and "What Is Quicksand?" Sounds strange to me... Where have you heard this? It will make very happy if it's true but (unfortunately) -I find this very unlikely. >Also, I've heard that a >song called "wings of Mercury" may be available on a live import. Is any >of this correct? I know that you can find it on a number of live-tapes and maybe on a bootleg. Check the FAQ. (happy now John?;-) mvh -Daniel Wikdahl Hmmm, I just realized that I haven't given you _one_ certain answer... sorry... "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 10 10:35:37 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:35:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: >I know that you can find it on a number of live-tapes and maybe on a bootleg. Check the FAQ. (happy now John?;-) Sure Dan - but, if you had read the FAQ yourself, you should know that "Arthur Comics" and "What is Quicksand?" are somewhat available. ;-) These 2 songs are from the (never-released) Stalk-Forrest Group EP "St. Cecilia". You can probably find someone who has a tape of all the songs on the EP, but also Elektra did release about 200 copies of a radio-only promo that had the 2 songs mentioned, so it is quite a collectible. Also, the two songs were put on a bootleg (er, "live import") recording along with the 4-song EP that Columbia released (from Nugget's Pizza Parlour in NY in 1972) - check the FAQ for which title it is. Also, Arthur Comics was included in a (4-record, I believe) box set put out by Elektra called Elektrok. But, your best bet in hearing these songs is probably via a tape trade with someone who has the St. Cecilia tracks on tape. John From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Jul 10 10:46:29 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:46:29 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze 97 Message-ID: Greetings Spacers, I just got the Strange Daze 97 package, with cool flyers posters n' stuff. Here is the Weekend itinerary: (list deleted) Thanks for the info Marc! BTW, I never received my Born to Go tape. Wow, I'm really excited about the bands lined up. Nikwind is a great addition to headline the first day. I suppose the special guest possibilities will include Del? I dare not dream of another SR era ex-member who happens to currently live in the US joining in. What I do hope for is Nik and Dave on the same stage!! I talked to a buddy of mine last night and only hours before Doug Smith told him that the festival is on, HW will be there! They have all the paper work done so that shouldn't be a problem this time. I encourage everyone on the list to try make this once in a life event. I'd love to meet you. Spread the word, post to news groups ect. Is this the first Space Rock festival is US history? What perfect timing it is with Rowel, Mir, Mars Pathfinder and (next month) Mars Global Surveyor in the headlines. Cydonia here we come. Space is the place. We're children playing in the sun A sense of freedom on the run We never knew what time it was We just knew how sublime it was -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jul 10 11:21:24 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:21:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: >>> Not to be confused with the current adaption of Elric : Stormbringer by >>> P. Craig Russell co-published by Dark Horse and Topps which I like a >>> great deal but is going over like the proverbial lead balloon over on >>> the Moorcock list. >I always liked PCR's work, and that he did a better job than most on Elric. > Anybody remember his War of the Worlds/Killraven stuff (a possible subject >matter for Hawkwind?) Well, I did read killraven, but my favorite PCR work was the #50 issue of Sandman, "Ramadan".... don't think it'd be possible to tie in to Assassins of Allah, though... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Jul 10 11:24:13 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:24:13 -0500 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: I received this from a member of the AC list I'm on. Has anybody ever heard this story before: > I've got this book about how rock bands got their names. Saw Hawkwind and I > thought of you. (I hardly knew there was a band called Hawkwind until you mentioned > it on SickThings.) > > Anyway, you probably already know this but ... > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick Turner, had > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but he says it > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as Hwakwind Zoo in > London. > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. Sounds like just a myth to me, but I don't how they got the name. -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jul 10 11:43:06 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: >Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and >play only one date in a small venue in a small country... What makes >BOC so different to the other bands? Who is now managing them? >Are they satisfied with this? Do they care? I am really frustrated to >know that they are coming over here but too far for me anyway >this time... Maybe they were going anyways? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 9 03:52:48 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:52:48 -0700 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl: > > (But Denmark is close enough to Sweden... so I will go at least :-) Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > How 'bout you Jerry? Any way you'll make either Danish concert? I'll definitely try! Say BOC only once in 1992 (Cologne, Germany)... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 9 03:58:20 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:58:20 -0700 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Daniel?: > >Can somebody tell me how they can afford to come in Europe and > >play only one date in a small venue in a small country... John: > But, I believe that probably > some wealthy person or group in Denmark wanted to see a BOC show over > there so they put up enough $$ to make it worthwhile to the band. I > doubt that the band (or it's mismanagement) just decided to fly over to > Denmark and do 2 gigs. If BOC's management had any sense of intelligence, > it would seem to me that they would try to arrange a few more gigs over > in Europe while they are there - maybe hit the London and Paris areas > again anyway. I guess if you REALLY want to see BOC in your own > particular area, you can always put up the cash to get them to come play. Maybe I should try and get one or two venues to have a BOC show... Some Danish guy is paying for the trip already, so why not let them come over for a show to beautiful Holland? Hm... J From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 10 11:47:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:47:28 +0200 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: > >Sure Dan - but, if you had read the FAQ yourself, you should know that >"Arthur Comics" and "What is Quicksand?" are somewhat available. ;-) I have read it! I have read it! I have read it! I have read it! :-) But... > >These 2 songs are from the (never-released) Stalk-Forrest Group EP "St. >Cecilia". You can probably find someone who has a tape of all the songs >on the EP, but also Elektra did release about 200 copies of a radio-only >promo that had the 2 songs mentioned, so it is quite a collectible. Also, >the two songs were put on a bootleg (er, "live import") recording along >with the 4-song EP that Columbia released (from Nugget's Pizza Parlour in >NY in 1972) - check the FAQ for which title it is. Also, Arthur Comics >was included in a (4-record, I believe) box set put out by Elektra called >Elektrok. ...this is what I call _not_ available... ...and this Elektrok thing -wasn't that back in the '70s??? > >But, your best bet in hearing these songs is probably via a tape trade >with someone who has the St. Cecilia tracks on tape. I know just what to do! If we can get a BOC-lers-only BOC concert... then can we also press Stalk Forrest CDs!!! It's a good idea, isn't it? :-) I can burn CDs at my university... so who's got the tapes? :-) mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Jul 10 11:48:01 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:48:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics In-Reply-To: <199707101521.LAA12067@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Jul 10, 97 11:21:24 am Message-ID: > > >>> Not to be confused with the current adaption of Elric : Stormbringer by > >>> P. Craig Russell co-published by Dark Horse and Topps which I like a > >>> great deal but is going over like the proverbial lead balloon over on > >>> the Moorcock list. i have to say i'm really disappointed with the current series, mostly due to the artwork (elric has really wavy hair which makes him look like he's having one bad hair day, no wonder he's so damn gloomy. also, anytime there's a far away shot of a character eyes turn to dots and noses to little backward L's), looked back at that first series from Pacific, which was much better... BTW are there any other dates possible for the HW august tour?? [perhaps, dare i hope a philly gig??] --dave From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jul 10 11:57:43 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:57:43 +0800 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > > I received this from a member of the AC list I'm on. > Has anybody ever heard this story before: > > > I've got this book about how rock bands got their names. Saw > Hawkwind and I > > thought of you. (I hardly knew there was a band called Hawkwind > until you mentioned > > it on SickThings.) > > > > Anyway, you probably already know this but ... > > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick > Turner, had > > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but > he says it > > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as > Hwakwind Zoo in > > London. > > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. > > Sounds like just a myth to me, but I don't how they got the name. > -- > Standing on the runway waiting for take off > I heard that story from someone as well William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jul 10 12:00:26 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:00:26 +0800 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: I saw an ad in a comics magazine for the new Moorcock comic. I think it was called Moorcock's Multiverse. Anyway, I've ordered mine. William From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 10 14:00:20 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:00:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics Message-ID: > i have to say i'm really disappointed with the current series, > mostly due to the artwork (elric has really wavy hair which > makes him look like he's having one bad hair day, no wonder he's so > damn gloomy. also, anytime there's a far away shot of a character > eyes turn to dots and noses to little backward L's), looked back > at that first series from Pacific, which was much better... I agree, Russell has gotten too minimal and stylized, the art isn't as 'fresh' as it used to be, and I don't like the computer coloring, it's not organic enough. And what's up with the bangs and the perm? In fact, it's like Elric as Joey Tempest in Tintin-land.... 'nuff bitching and moaning from me.... Christian From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Jul 10 12:13:33 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:13:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics - Tour Dates Message-ID: THis is the second time I've seen someone refer to the August dates, other than the festival, I haven't seen ANY dates Is there a list circulating/available ????? - Come on someone help me out here. Thanks, Steve L. > BTW are there any other dates possible for the HW august tour?? > [perhaps, dare i hope a philly gig??] > > --dave > From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu Jul 10 12:15:33 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:15:33 +0200 Subject: The Right Stuff / Uncle Sam's on Mars ...and more Message-ID: hello all, some new pages and updates on the Robert Calvert site: two all-new pages on THE RIGHT STUFF & UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS with lots of shiny graphics, animations and sounfiles - real audio and wav's IN THE EGG has some new graphics plus new real audio soundfiles of the complete performance. The Calvert Site / The Spirit of the P/Age: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future you can best access all these pages from the 'Calv-Art' page - find the link in the menu of the homepage. enjoy... k.g. transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW PHONE / FAX NUMBERS: phone: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 e-mail: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 10 17:23:20 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:23:20 BST Subject: hawkwind name In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:24:13 -0500 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > I received this from a member of the AC list I'm on. > Has anybody ever heard this story before: > > > > > I've got this book about how rock bands got their names. Saw Hawkwind and I > > thought of you. (I hardly knew there was a band called Hawkwind until you mentioned > > it on SickThings.) > > > > Anyway, you probably already know this but ... > > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick Turner, had > > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but he says it > > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as Hwakwind Zoo in > > London. > > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. > > > Sounds like just a myth to me, but I don't how they got the name. yep - that's the official story and the Zoo bit is because some band members looked like something out of one apparently. So it's probably about right as far as explanations go 8-) jill PS: Dan - Has the CD arrived yet? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Jul 10 12:19:19 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:19:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Moorcock & Comics - Tour Dates Message-ID: THis is the second time I've seen someone refer to the August dates, other than the festival, I haven't seen ANY dates Is there a list circulating/available ????? - Come on someone help me out here. I've only heard about Aug. 23rd Phantasy DreamTheater, 12 Hour Special- Lakewood, Ohio. This is found at www.hawkiwnd.com Not sure what this means. I try to find out. These are the only two dates mentioned, to bad there a week apart. If there was just one more date in between I'd do'em all... later, -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 10 12:43:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:43:11 +0200 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: At 12:52 AM 7/9/97 -0700, you wrote: >Daniel Wikdahl: >> > (But Denmark is close enough to Sweden... so I will go at least :-) > >Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: >> How 'bout you Jerry? Any way you'll make either Danish concert? > >I'll definitely try! Say BOC only once in 1992 (Cologne, Germany)... > I hope so... I ordered the ticket (for 9 aug) today. You can buy tickets from: BilletNet phone: (+45) 38 88 70 22 But you have to pick up the tickets in Denmark (they can be send to Sweden though). Maybe Scott can help you? doei -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 10 12:46:36 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:46:36 +0200 Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Jerry: > >Maybe I should try and get one or two venues to have a BOC show... Some Danish guy is >paying for the trip already, so why not let them come over for a show to beautiful >Holland? Hm... Yes, I know a little place in Hilversum where they could play ;-). And I also know just where to go before the show... ;-) ...ehrm, or maybe not... -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 10 12:50:00 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:50:00 +0200 Subject: OFF: away Message-ID: hi I don't know if anyone care but: I'm going to Stockholm, Finland, Estonia and Northern Sweden tomorrow so I can't be reached via e-mail in two weeks or something. Later mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Thu Jul 10 14:02:50 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:02:50 GMT Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: Playing two dates! Hurrah - could see them both nights!! *GRIN*. I for one will definitely try and get to Denmark for the 9th - only trouble is is that I've got to be back at work 7:30 am on the 11th, and I work in the remote part of Great Britain called Ceredigion, West Wales. Oh yes and I haven't got a car!! Sounds like the journey should be fun! Btw anyone know exactly where the gig is (unfortunately have deleted earlier messages), especially re train or ferry termini? Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK Thu Jul 10 14:04:32 1997 From: PN013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:04:32 GMT Subject: BOC in Denmark Message-ID: If BOC can afford to play a small venue in a small country then I could try and get my College to get them! (1,700 students!) Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 10 15:12:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:12:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: early UFO: groovy groovy spacerock! Message-ID: Having only heard later UFO I've always dismissed them as 3rd rate cheez-metal, but I've been eyeballing a few compilations of early material for a long while, and I picked up 'The Early Years' CD (the cheaper of the two :-). Anyway, some of the stuff there blew me away, and I suspect members of Monster Magnet and Kyuss are into this stuff! There's some cool cover versions of Who Do You Love and C'mon Everybody, but the meat here are rockin' space-metal-boogie songs like 'Timothy' (a pretty strightforward ultraheavy piece of boogie - possibly about Leary?), 'The Coming of Prince Kajuku' (a cool little buildup to...:), 'Prince Kajuku' (sounds like Monster Magnet boogie at their hardest! ROCKS!) and 'Silver Bird' (this song is a longer spacey jam that builds up to an amazingly heavy riff - mindblowingly groovy headbang action!!) and 'Unidentified Flying Object', a cool little spacerock piece with neat little electronic sounds.... I'm not kidding, this is good stuff! The material collected is from '70 -72, off their first 3 albums: 'U.F.O.', 'Flying (One Hour Spacerock)' and 'Lands In Tokyo'. (a live album) There's also a roundabout HW-connection here, Larry Wallis joined the band briefly after their spacerock period and left for Pink Fairies and briefly Motorhead. In fact this stuff is almost a weird synthesis of HW and BOC..... I'm curious about their first 2-3 albums, I don't think they are availible on CD, but this stuff is a far cry from the later (+more successful :-) Michael Schenker era stuff...... Christian From ellis at MCC.COM Thu Jul 10 13:52:49 1997 From: ellis at MCC.COM (Mike Ellis) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:52:49 -0500 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: > > > > That is slightly less than top dollar. (well maybe not, in your area.?)i > > have never seen them for less than $29.00 each. space ritual for > > something like 40$. Maybe they are only that high from MY > > Well, maybe I should have said "a lot more than $100". :-) I think > I paid $30 apiece for the single disks and $40 for Space Ritual. > > Check out RPM records at rpmrecords.com. They have the single disks for $25 and SR for $31 (order over a $100 and shipping is free, plus sales tax if you live in Texas) .... > > Between the Hawkwind remasters, the Black Sabbath remasters, the AC/DC > remasters, and now the Rush remasters... jeez, would they please stop > issuing remasters long enough for me to afford a decent stereo to play > them back on?!! :-) > There's also been a SECOND remastering of the Hendrix albums which the promo blurbs claim as being sonically better than the previous remasters only a couple of years ago ... From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Thu Jul 10 13:57:20 1997 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:57:20 -0700 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707101752.MAA08450@dead.mcc.com.mcc> from "Mike Ellis" at Jul 10, 97 12:52:49 pm Message-ID: > Check out RPM records at rpmrecords.com. They have the single disks > for $25 and SR for $31 (order over a $100 and shipping is free, > plus sales tax if you live in Texas) Gee, now I don't feel so bad for paying $19-$30 for the HW stuff locally... > There's also been a SECOND remastering of the Hendrix albums > which the promo blurbs claim as being sonically better than the previous > remasters only a couple of years ago ... The second remaster has to do with the rights passing back to Hendrix's Dad. And _Cry of Love_ is back in print Bill From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jul 10 21:20:37 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:20:37 -0700 Subject: FAQ alert Message-ID: I hope someone is saving this for the FAQ... > >A year later (viz. Boston Orpheum 12/28/74) Eric was singing both of these, > >and I don't think the vocal duties ever reverted, although I'd be interested > >in knowing when the changeover was, or if there was a time when different > >guys handled it on different nights. Albert? Anyone? Albert T Bouchard wrote: > In the beginning I sang both songs whenever we played them live. I had > planned to record them that way and when I got into the studio I sang > Dominance first and that came out great and then I tried Astronomy about a > hundred times and got worse and worse each time. Finally Sandy asked Eric > to sing it and he did it perfectly in one take. After that I think Joe took > a crack at singing the verses (which he wrote the music for) to get a > warmer tone than Eric but Eric still sang it the best. I believe the > definitive version of Astronomy is yet to be done. > > I stopped singing D&S live because it was hard for me to sing and play at > the same time. I don't know why but it seems easier for me now. Maybe it's > the ear plugs? I sang Cities more mechanically back then so it was easier > for me to get away with. > Al From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Jul 10 17:12:27 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:12:27 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 Message-ID: Hello all, In regards to the mystery guests mentioned in the Strange Daze 97 flyer, I have a wild guess. This is speculation on my part, but isn't Lemmy touring the U.S. at the present time? See ya, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Jul 10 18:25:28 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:25:28 -0600 Subject: Revisited CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > From: jean l delacour > > > > On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > > > > > Subject: Re: Revisited CD > > > > > > Nope, Boston - which means BOC ain't too close to me too often :-( > > > > > > John > > > > > John & BOC-L; > > > > > > Now, now, I don't think you east coasters should complain; all of the > > cities and venues are relatively close to each other, a few hours apart. > > Try driving 15 hrs just to see BOC in Bakersfield. Now that's a drive!! > > > > BTW, just ordered my copy of Revisited from CD Connect. Thank you very > > much, John. > > > > God bless... > > > > > > Manuel & > > > No whining from me nowadays. After not seeing them for about 5 > years, Saturday will be my 3d time in 8 months! I am psyched! > theo > Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu Theo; Where are they playing on Sat?? ...Manuel From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Jul 10 20:35:46 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:35:46 -0400 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > I received this from a member of the AC list I'm on. > Has anybody ever heard this story before: > > > Anyway, you probably already know this but ... > > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick > Turner, had > > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but > he says it > > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as > Hwakwind Zoo in > > London. > > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. > > Sounds like just a myth to me, but I don't how they got the name. > -- > nope. its all true. definitely.rj From johnv at NCWEB.COM Thu Jul 10 21:36:21 1997 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:36:21 -0400 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: hey windheads! hawkwind at the phantasy aug 23! any space chicks need a date From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jul 10 21:48:21 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:48:21 +1000 Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: I don't think ANY of you Northern-Hemispherians should whine at all ;););) Pete. ObCD: Buffalo - Dead Again At 10:02 AM 10/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >Well, no I really shouldn't whine, seeing that BOC often gets within about >3-4 hours of here, but family duties don't allow me usually to do that. If >they did, I'd be at every Brain Surgeons gig in New York (and I still might >show up one of these days if I can convince the family to take a road trip). > >John > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jul 11 00:14:12 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:14:12 -0400 Subject: Altoona Message-ID: Thanks for letting me know of the changes. I'll see you at Sebastiano's on Saturday! :-) SET From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jul 11 00:23:47 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:23:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: early Albert vocals Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: >I believe the definitive version of Astronomy is yet to be done. If you want to do the definitive one in SF on the 29th it would be okay with me :-) From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Fri Jul 11 01:37:45 1997 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:37:45 -0700 Subject: Strange Daze 97 In-Reply-To: <199707102112.RAA07504@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Jul 10, 97 05:12:27 pm Message-ID: > In regards to the mystery guests mentioned in the Strange Daze 97 > flyer, I have a wild guess. This is speculation on my > part, but isn't Lemmy touring the U.S. at the present time? I'd suspect Genesis P, Physic TV, Spiral Realms, etc before Lemmy. Is anyone from the Pittsburgh/SW Pennsylvania area going? Anyone for a car pool? > -- > Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. > Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. > Rusted Root COOL! Rusted Root used to practice in a friend of mine's basement. Always nice to see other people enjoying their music... Bill From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jul 11 07:15:32 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:15:32 +1000 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: On 10 Jul 97 at 10:24, Dan Witt wrote: > > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick Turner, had > > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but he says it > > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as Hwakwind Zoo in > > London. > > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. Apparently it's true ... I've seen that in a number of places (including Kris Tait's book if I rememeber correctly) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jul 11 07:18:19 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 21:18:19 +1000 Subject: HW: New Page Message-ID: Hi All, I just got told about a new HW page down under by it's OzHawk maintainer .... http://www.quantum.net.au/scatter/ Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 11 07:35:41 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:35:41 +0200 Subject: BOC In Denmark Message-ID: I will post all the information about where it is and how to get there from K?benhavn this weekend or very soon. It is at a big outdoor stage right on the ocean on the island of Amager just north of the airport. YOu can take the bus there, but not the train. I will find out what bus numbers from the main K?benhavn station etc.. The show starts at 14 and ends at 21. The headliners are Status Quo. BOC is listed next on the bill. More later, scott >ObCs- Tiamat- Sweden 1997 (SR P3 radio last night) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 11 07:48:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:48:01 EDT Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: > From: jean l delacour > > > No whining from me nowadays. After not seeing them for about 5 > > years, Saturday will be my 3d time in 8 months! I am psyched! > > theo > > > > Theo; Where are they playing on Sat?? > > ...Manuel They're playing at the T Rex club in Sylvan Beach, a little resort type place on Oneida lake, halfway bet. Syracuse and Utica, upstate New York. At least one other listmember will be there. Any others going to make the trip? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 11 08:05:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:05:37 EDT Subject: Revisited CD Message-ID: I posted: > They're playing at the T Rex club in Sylvan Beach, a little resort > type place on Oneida lake, halfway bet. Syracuse and Utica, upstate > New York. At least one other listmember will be there. Any others > going to make the trip? > > theo I might add that the club is doing a nice job promoting the show, considering the short notice. Nice print ad, and a great radio ad including Reaper and BFY in the background... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 11 08:49:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:49:45 -0400 Subject: FAQ alert Message-ID: I got it Jerry - thanks for the reminder. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 11 08:58:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:58:31 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger Message-ID: Someone posted about the recent Joe Bouchard gig in New York and said that Billy Hilfiger wasn't there - to which I replied that he was supposed to be. Billy in fact wasn't there - he posted on the AOL tBS board that after arriving at the gig location, he had some sort of seizure. He is o.k. now and is on some medication, but is planning on being at all upcoming tBS gigs. Albert may have more details on this... John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 11 10:58:06 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:58:06 -0000 Subject: BOCWIND: Veteran of a 1000 Psychic Wars Message-ID: Has anyone seen this this song listed on the Live 74 Hawkwind album on the EBS page? Blew my mind! This is gonna be a great record!!!! The ultimate BOC/HW connection was there all along! Christian /\ / \ ___________________________________________________ _/\ /\ _ /\ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \ / \ / \/ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 11 11:04:58 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:04:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Does anyone know when there'll be a new album from Monster Magnet? I think I read something awhile back about one being on it's way. Also, a live album would be a good idea...... come to think of it, seeing as their cover versions are so good, they should do a heavy fuzz version of BOC's Veteran of The Psychic Wars.... That would be KEEE-EEEEWWL! Christian /\ / \ ___________________________________________________ _/\ /\ _ /\ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \ / \ / \/ From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Jul 11 09:13:05 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:13:05 EDT Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors Message-ID: Can anyone tell me who these people are who are listed in the credits for _Church of Hawkwind_? Marc Sperhawk - bass on "Some People Never Die" Capt. Albodi - percussion on "Some People Never Die" Madam X - voice on "The Last Messiah" Most of the tracks were penned by Dave Brock, of course, but they are credited to "Dr. Technical," even the bonus tracks added to the Griffin release, which are copyright 1994. Any idea why he used this pseudonym? Despite all the negative reviews I've read of this CD, I really like it. The vocal tracks are all very good, esp. "Nuclear Drive" and "Star Cannibal." And the sampled speech tracks are also good. I think I like it better than _Electric Tepee_, and certainly more than _White Zone_ (a recent purchase which hasn't done much for me, at least so far...). MWood NP: _Live at Reading '86_ - Hawkwind Talk about Cleopatra messing up labels & liner notes! Here we have "Assult And Battery," plus actor Danny "Thomas" taking a break from his cancer research fund- raising project to fill in on keyboards, Alan Davey on drums, "Hugh" Lloyd-Langton. HA! From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Jul 11 09:15:38 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:15:38 EDT Subject: HW: EMI remasters? Message-ID: Just wanted to thank everyone for the info on the Hawkwind EMI remasters. I'll be ordering both ISoS and Doremi next week! MWood From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 11 10:06:29 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:06:29 +0100 Subject: BOCWIND: Veteran of a 1000 Psychic Wars Message-ID: Yeah, but you know it's going to be "Standing on the Edge", more or less anyway. It's gonna be cool, but the BOC song it ain't. Anyway, MM already performed "The Great Sun Jester" (slightly different version) as a spoken-word with Hawkwind. I was there... - Andy ObCD: MC Solaar - _Paradisiaque_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 11 10:11:54 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:11:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors Message-ID: >Any idea why he used this pseudonym? Why this pseudonym in particular? Dunno. Why use a pseudonym at all? Almost certainly a royalties thing again, like on "Silver machine". Best DB pseudonym was "Dr Hasbeen"... :) >Despite all the negative reviews I've read of this >CD, I really like it. I might have said "Star Cannibal" has silly words - which it does - but that's not a negative review; dig that bass at the end of it! And then turn "Joker at the Gate" WAY up loud... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 11 10:19:06 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:19:06 -0600 Subject: BOC Goldmines for sale/trade In-Reply-To: <199707111313.JAA25905@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hey; Been doing some summer cleaning, and I have 2 extra copies of the BOC Goldmine from last year. They are in ex condition. Any takers? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jul 11 10:45:06 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:45:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors In-Reply-To: <199707111311.JAA25809@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 11-Jul-97, Marshall Wood wrote: >Can anyone tell me who these people are who are >listed in the credits for _Church of Hawkwind_? > Marc Sperhawk - bass on "Some People Never Die" If I remember correctly from my old issues of Hawkfan, Marc is the American guy who Dave gave his guitar to after the disasterous US tour around 1978 when he temporarily retired. He learned to play it and met up with Dave later on. Now, this is from memory and I can't find the reference at the moment to check so maybe someone else can confirm or shoot me down? > Capt. Albodi - percussion on "Some People Never Die" > Madam X - voice on "The Last Messiah" Don't know off hand. >Most of the tracks were penned by Dave Brock, of >course, but they are credited to "Dr. Technical," >even the bonus tracks added to the Griffin release, >which are copyright 1994. Any idea why he used >this pseudonym? I would say publishing reasons as with the other times he's done similar things. Si From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 11 12:33:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:33:33 -0000 Subject: BOCWIND: Veteran of a 1000 Psychic Wars Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > Yeah, but you know it's going to be "Standing on the Edge", more or less anyway. It's gonna be cool, but the BOC song it ain't. True. Personally I can do without Moorcock's demented ranting/screaming (I can't listen to WotEoT because of him!), but I'm sure I'm in the minority.I hope Calvert performs it, he could take Moorcock's material and turn it really sinister and paranoid, like Sonic Attack or The Black Corridor. The reason it struck me is that it is 6 or 7 (or more) years older than the BOC song, which means that it's a Hawkwind song, or a track at least :-) - probably something for the BOC FAQ there .....? > > Anyway, MM already performed "The Great Sun Jester" (slightly different version) as a spoken-word with Hawkwind. I was there... But that was after BOC had recorded it right? BTW, I think somebody on this list quite some time ago mentioned a Calvert/Moorcock demo/live tape(s) or something, I'm interested in this stuff, or was it all just a frightening dream??? Christian /\ / \ ___________________________________________________ _/\ /\ _ /\ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \ / \ / \/ From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jul 11 11:12:47 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:12:47 CDT Subject: Calvert/MM tape Message-ID: >>Anyway, MM already performed "The Great Sun Jester" (slightly different >>version) as a spoken-word with Hawkwind. I was there... > >But that was after BOC had recorded it right? BTW, I think somebody on this >list quite some time ago mentioned a Calvert/Moorcock demo/live tape(s) or >something, I'm interested in this stuff, or was it all just a frightening >dream??? No, you're only dreaming ;-> Actually, I got a copy of the tape from Henrik (I think), so if you want to send me a blank or otherwise do a trade, I'm game. Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Jul 11 12:45:18 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:45:18 -0500 Subject: Summer Daze 97 Message-ID: Greetings people of the Hawk, I talked to Jim Lascko last night and found out several thing about Summer Daze 97. The grounds will open Sat. at sun rise so don't plan to get there a day early. There will be a well stocked kitchen in operation, don't go expecting various vendor stands serving your favorite junk food. The one thing I got from our conversation is bring plenty of your own supplies. I would think several large ice chests for food and drink would be in order. If you drink bring several cases of beer or whatever it, might not be for sale at the venue. If you smoke then try to find me and turn me on. :-) This is considered a primitive camp site so there is no electrical hookups for RVs, so its traditional rather than electric teepees folks. Cooking and camp fires are OK. As far as surprise guests go, Nik is the only ex-hawk that will be there. Unless Del pays for his own plane ticket he won't be there. Nik wanted to bring several ex-members but the budget can't fly in everyone from all over the world. US tour: the only sure thing (using HW standards of course) are the gigs Jim's promoting, the festival (Aug. 30/31) and the show in Ohio (Aug. 23). The "12 hour special" mentioned on www.hawkind.com is a mistake. Other shows are possible, but a lack of a firm commitment on when the band will arrive makes it very hard to line up venues. Other possible gigs include CT and Chicago, with Milwaukee a very long shot. If any additional shows happen it will be prior to the festival, Summer Daze will be the last show for sure. My opinion is don't miss the festival hoping to see HW closer to where you live. Also Jim asks if you plan to attend the festival send your payment in as soon as possible. It makes his job easier. Surely I forgot something, but thats all for now. space is the place, -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Fri Jul 11 12:49:45 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:49:45 -0400 Subject: Space Daze (no TD content) Message-ID: > >NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a > >free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) > >bonus ambient disc was marketed as _Dark Matter_. The only thing new about > >this set is the slipcover. See these conflicting reports about the 4th Space Box disc? Some people get one by Dark Matter, some by OB1, some by the Pressurehed guys... I think the 4th CD in the Space Box is a CD on the Cleopatra/Hypnotic label picked *at random* and different from one box to the next. Either they're trying to expose people to new things at random, or they're just trying to get rid of their surplus. From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Jul 11 14:04:40 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:04:40 EDT Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors In-Reply-To: <01BC8E0D.14910A60@host5-99-45-92.btinternet.com>; from "Andrew Gilham" at Jul 11, 97 3:11 pm Message-ID: >I might have said "Star Cannibal" has silly words - which it does - but >that's not a negative review; dig that bass at the end of it! Yeah, and that's Brock on bass on that track, in case you didn't notice! MWood From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Fri Jul 11 14:06:34 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:06:34 EDT Subject: Space Daze (no TD content) In-Reply-To: <199707111649.MAA11252@quip.eecs.umich.edu>; from "Ken Alexander" at Jul 11, 97 12:49 (noon) Message-ID: >>>NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a >>>free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) >See these conflicting reports about the 4th Space Box disc? Some people >get one by Dark Matter, some by OB1, some by the Pressurehed guys... OK, now I'm curious - does anyone have a tracklist for this box? Or at least for the 1st 3 CDs? MWood From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jul 11 16:09:31 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:09:31 -0400 Subject: Space Daze (no TD content) Message-ID: Marshall asks... >>>>NP: This Is Space: The Space Daze Trilogy - A four CD box set (the 4th is a >>>>free bonus CD of ambient music by ob1) >>See these conflicting reports about the 4th Space Box disc? Some people >>get one by Dark Matter, some by OB1, some by the Pressurehed guys... > >OK, now I'm curious - does anyone have a tracklist for >this box? Or at least for the 1st 3 CDs? I posted the track list about 6 weeks ago. Maybe it's in the boc-l archive or the codex? Of course, the track lists are the same as for the two separate compilations that this box set comes from, i.e., Space Daze (2CD set that went with the Dave Thompson book of the same name), and then Space Daze 2000...the light blue one. If you've already got these, you don't need this box. At that time, I didn't realize the bonus CD varied from box to box. Mine was 'Access and Amplify' by 'The Brain'. Now, of course, we realize that several others are possible. Keith H. (FAA) From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Jul 11 17:40:31 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:40:31 -0400 Subject: BOCWIND: Veteran of a 1000 Psychic Wars Message-ID: >True. Personally I can do without Moorcock's demented >ranting/screaming (I >can't listen to WotEoT because of him!), but I'm sure I'm in the >minority.I >hope Calvert performs it, he could take Moorcock's material and turn >it >really sinister and paranoid, like Sonic Attack or The Black Corridor. > Wait...hasn't anyone on the list ever heard the boot of this show? I know I've seen it on some lists. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Fri Jul 11 17:30:04 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:30:04 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:12:27 -0400 Duane Hoyt writes: >Hello all, > >In regards to the mystery guests mentioned in the Strange Daze 97 >flyer, I have a wild guess. This is speculation on my >part, but isn't Lemmy touring the U.S. at the present time? It would be nice, but I think Motorhead will be done w/ their tour by then. They are currently touring now, but they probably won't still be touring in late august... From des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET Fri Jul 11 19:00:41 1997 From: des at SATURN.SUPERLINK.NET (Eric Falk) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:00:41 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger In-Reply-To: <199707111258.IAA00497@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz " at Jul 11, 97 08:58:31 am Message-ID: > > Someone posted about the recent Joe Bouchard gig in New York and said that > Billy Hilfiger wasn't there - to which I replied that he was supposed to be. > > Billy in fact wasn't there - he posted on the AOL tBS board that after > arriving at the gig location, he had some sort of seizure. He is o.k. now > and is on some medication, but is planning on being at all upcoming tBS > gigs. > > Albert may have more details on this... > > > John There was talk by someone that worked at Rockland House that Billy had had a seizure but since I couldn't confirm it I didn't mention it so as not to alarm anyone. Glad to hear he's OK. Also, John, the BOC tape I picked up last weekend is the 'Revisited' one. --Eric From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Fri Jul 11 19:18:46 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:18:46 -0400 Subject: Strange Daze 97 In-Reply-To: <199707102112.RAA07504@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Duane Hoyt wrote: > Hello all, > > In regards to the mystery guests mentioned in the Strange Daze 97 > flyer, I have a wild guess. This is speculation on my > part, but isn't Lemmy touring the U.S. at the present time? > > See ya, > > Duane > > -- > Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. > Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. > Rusted Root > Motorhead appearance? Very likely -- their tour with (fer chrissakes) W.A.S.P. was cancelled, owing to the fact that W.A.S.P. was pissed that most of the folks were there to see Motorhead, and bailed when W.A.S.P. hit the stage. So, yeah, Motorhead's got a sudden chunk of free time with no gigs scheduled. YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Fri Jul 11 19:33:06 1997 From: bk977 at FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU (Crawford Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:33:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? In-Reply-To: <199707101435.KAA07409@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > These 2 songs are from the (never-released) Stalk-Forrest Group EP "St. > Cecilia". You can probably find someone who has a tape of all the songs > on the EP, but also Elektra did release about 200 copies of a radio-only > promo that had the 2 songs mentioned, so it is quite a collectible. Also, > the two songs were put on a bootleg (er, "live import") recording along > with the 4-song EP that Columbia released (from Nugget's Pizza Parlour in > NY in 1972) - check the FAQ for which title it is. Also, Arthur Comics > was included in a (4-record, I believe) box set put out by Elektra called > Elektrok. > > But, your best bet in hearing these songs is probably via a tape trade > with someone who has the St. Cecilia tracks on tape. > > John > Whew! Just checked out the BOC FAQ -- amazing! Top notch stuff. Okay, with regards to hard-to-find BOC stuff that's floating around let me see if I have this straight: "Arthur Comics" and "What is Quicksand" released in a limited promo pressing by Elektra "Arthur Comics" on Elektra compilation _Elektrok_ "Arthur Comics" and "What is Quicksand" on suspicious import _Fantasy Distillation of Reality_ "Wings of Mercury" on live import _Into the Crypt of Rays_ Two tracks on soundtrack of _Bad Channels_ Hmmm. How available are these? Does anyone out there have copies? I mean, the Elektra promo must be rare as hen's teeth, right? Should I even bother haunting the used record-marts, or is it a waste of time? ...my brain hurts... YFNR Crawford ^ /i\ / \ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." /_____\ -HST From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Fri Jul 11 20:43:03 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:43:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors Message-ID: Marshall Wood wrote: > Can anyone tell me who these people are who are > listed in the credits for _Church of Hawkwind_? > > Marc Sperhawk - bass on "Some People Never Die" i met this guy at a show in virginia at a place called JAXX. he lives in the midwest US somewhere, and produced the tapes that the cd was drawn from. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Jul 11 22:39:04 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:39:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: >>But, your best bet in hearing these songs is probably via a tape trade >>with someone who has the St. Cecilia tracks on tape. > >I know just what to do! If we can get a BOC-lers-only BOC concert... then can >we also press Stalk Forrest CDs!!! It's a good idea, isn't it? :-) >I can burn CDs at my university... so who's got the tapes? :-) My tape is rather lousy quality, I don't know how many generations of copies it went through... But wasn't there still the slim possibility of this getting released? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jul 11 16:53:55 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:53:55 -0700 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: ---------- > But I didn't think Bob did vocals (only spoken word) on the SR tour... Definitely Bob on Orgone, Bob also can be heard repeatedly shouting "Brainstaaaaawm" during the "She's Dead" segment of BS, and I think the liner notes say that he co-sings Born To Go... Charlie PS: Speaking of the liner notes, what is (or is a) swazzle? (re: credits, Bob Calvert -- poet and swazzle) From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Jul 12 03:22:51 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 03:22:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > But wasn't there still the slim possibility of (St. Cecilia) getting released? I've seen a couple of comments from Al Bouchard indicating that he thinks it is a real possibility. As I recall in last month's BOC chat on AOL he stated that the original tapes had been found after having been missing for years, and that he'd been hearing enough rumors about them that he believed something might finally happen. Let's hope so... -Chris Baker From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 11 05:01:38 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:01:38 +0100 Subject: hawkwind name In-Reply-To: <33C57FE2.CB8454A@starlinx.com> Message-ID: In article <33C57FE2.CB8454A at starlinx.com>, Ron Jennings writes >> Sounds like just a myth to me, but I don't how they got the name. >> -- >> > >nope. its all true. definitely.rj At least, it's certainly the recieved "official" story. I myself think there's a little more to than that. I still reckon "The Aeon Of Horus" (The Hawk-headed God) as described by Crowley (and variously called "The Age Of Aquarius" or just "The New Age") might have something to do with it. They were certainly aware of Mr. C at that time, and well, it's not something that people always want to discuss in detail. A interest in such things is often mis-interpreted, and if a complete stranger came up to me at a gig or something and asked if I was into Crowley, I would almost certainly give out the Nose-fart line and pass it of as a joke. Not for any sinister or conspiratorial reasons, i might add, but just because you just don't go into that kind of detail just off-the-cuff, as it were. Unless of course you're Genesis P. Orridge. And look how far it got him. Probably rubbish, but the idea of naming your spaceship, and brotherhood on it's 25 year mission after a fart-gag seems even less likely to me. -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Jul 12 06:27:47 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:27:47 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: >PS: Speaking of the liner notes, what is (or is a) swazzle? Well, I've got a dictionary: swazzle or swozzle (swoz'l), noun an instrument consisting of two convex pieces of metal with a tape stretched between them, placed in the mouth to make the voice of Mr Punch in a Punch and Judy show. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jul 12 09:27:23 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:27:23 -0000 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: > Probably rubbish, but the idea of naming your spaceship, and brotherhood > on it's 25 year mission after a fart-gag seems even less likely to me. > -- > Jon Browne I think it makes perfect sense - look, there were a bunch of guys sitting around getting zonked, they decide to form a band at the drop of a hat, come up with a silly name and then attach all kinds of far-out symbols and logos and concepts and whatever to it, and every confused young fan would buy their albums and wonder "hhuhhh, wonder what it all means maaan, must be really deep!", and of course it is, sort of anyway :) Think of yourself in the situation, wouldn't you think it would be funny to be cast in all this mystical light and what not over a stupid fart-joke? I would! I mean, are we to take the Doremi or Time of The Hawklords 'concept' (i use the term broadly here :) seriously because 'it just can't be a joke or stoned gibberish' ?. I'm not dismissing all of Hawkwind as a joke, I find a lot of their stuff geniuenly sincere, disturbing, opinionated, mindblowing and all, but hey, they are having a laff and so are we.... PS If ever I have anything with "Hawkwind" written on it on me/around me, and someone gets curious and look at it, they always strain to read it and say "haaawk-in? hawkeend? ha-aawkwedn? What the hell is a haaawkween!!!??" - always a good time to bring up the nose-fart story...... Christian From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jul 12 08:53:26 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 22:53:26 +1000 Subject: HW: Philm Freax Message-ID: Hi All, Phil Franks just sent me a mailout about his web pages. Of special note to list-members is the Dave Brock "Interview", but there's tons of good stuff here, so have fun surfing (I think that sunsite is down right now though) That's it from me for a while .... I'll be away on a business trip for the next week or so, Yours in Space, Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:24:48 +0200 To: "Sonique" From: Phil Franks .............. draft starts here .................. Yo phriends of Freax! It's been a while since our last rollout so we hope you'll excuse this somewhat bulky e-message, we've got quite a lot to show you, we hope you think it was worth waiting for. As more visitors have passed through the randomized and rotating Freax-o-rama front door we've had more and more contact with other folk who have an interest in what we're doing and we've been involved in some interesting projects offline and contributions to other websites. You can read all about that on our ever-more-ego-tripping "What's New @ Philm Freax" page Right here: --> We've always wanted The Freax/Friends/Franks website/s to be someting more than a gallery of photos, we're aiming at creating a comprehensive web resource offering information on a certain time and space in contemporary history. Gradually we feel we're getting there... Since we'd previously put up a page on Harvey Job Matusow in our Friends histories Harvey looked us on-line and gave us an update on where he is now. Before we knew it Philm Freax producer Malcolm Humes was knee deep into building a new site with Harvey, his auto-biography in progress, covering his 71 years of a life sometimes stranger than fiction. McCarthyism, Fluxus and Wilhelm Reich are just some of the topics to be covered. We've put up another page on Harvey in Philm Freax, http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/friends/matusow.html featuring one of our favorite photos of him and draft stages of Harvey's Stringless Yo Yo are up at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/matusow/ We have mountains of negatives still to scan through including some new photos of John Cale at a recent concert in Spain and more surprises almost ready for the next update, meanwhile... *The New Pages @ Freax!* After careful analysis of the server stats we discovered that a lot of folk were only seeing the first page or two of our multi-page features like The Nik Turner Interviews! We've added a vintage pic of Nik and added a new entrance, float yer mouses and click around dammit! http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/nikintv/ OK, in response to the never-ending flow of Guestbook entries from Hawkwind fans web-wide here's the long promised and long awaited "Philm Freax: The Dave Brock (unauthorized and unconfirmed) Interviews!" Starting with a previously unpublished original bromide of a fresh faced, young Dave and including some of Phil's most recent work while on a visit to UK last summer this multi-page piece of HTML excess must be seen to be dis-believed. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/brocki/ Led Zeppelin: Robert Plant and the late John Bonham at The Royal Albert Hall, London, 9th. of January 1970. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/led_zeppelin/ Ten Years After and Alvin Lee in some unusual photos on a film set in Portobello Road, sometime around 1969 - 70 ... we think... http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/ten_years/ Lemmy! Mr M?t?rh?ad himself before he got *too* heavy. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/lemmy/ Martin Carthy played with most if not all of the great names of British Contemporary Folk Music. We're presenting these photos with some text contributed by Pam Winters, who is currently working on a book about Sandy Denny, we hope to have some pics of Sandy in the next update. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/martin_carthy/ Tiny Tim at The Isle of Wight Festival. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/tinytim/ Surprise time! An unpublished pic of Bill Bruford from the "The YES Album" sessions... more to come! http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/bruford/ Muddy Waters http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/muddy/ Johnny and Edgar Winter, The Royal Albert Hall. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/winter/ The Furry Freak Sisters http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/furry/ the main list and index to the site, THE PHILM FREAX ARCHIVE has of course been updated to reflect these additions and we've added a search facility using Infoseek Ultra. http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/philmfreax.html So, there you have it, we hope you enjoy it, we love your feedback but please be advised that Phil/m will be offline from now until mid-August... please do send email but don't expect a reply for at least a month. Phil has also found time to add some new pages in English to his personal site in Spanglish http://www.arrakis.es/~philm/ and some fun stuff on another local ISPs unsuspecting webserver http://www.distrito.com/usuarios/photog/ Any problems or questions with subscribing or unsubscribing to this "newsletter" please email our friendly robot: Zarvox Xovraz (we never sleep) - The Philm Freax Digital Press Office! .............. end draft .................. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sat Jul 12 15:18:03 1997 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:18:03 -0400 Subject: HW: EMI remasters? In-Reply-To: <199707101752.MAA08450@dead.mcc.com.mcc> from "Mike Ellis" at Jul 10, 97 12:52:49 pm Message-ID: Mike Ellis writes: > > > > That is slightly less than top dollar. (well maybe not, in your area.?)i > > > have never seen them for less than $29.00 each. space ritual for > > > something like 40$. Maybe they are only that high from MY > > > > Well, maybe I should have said "a lot more than $100". :-) I think > > I paid $30 apiece for the single disks and $40 for Space Ritual. > > Check out RPM records at rpmrecords.com. They have the single disks > for $25 and SR for $31 (order over a $100 and shipping is free, > plus sales tax if you live in Texas) I got them through CDNOW, back when they were still impossible to find locally. It's kind of sad, I live 20 minutes from J&R Music World, and about 40min from 66th St. Tower Records or the Times Sq. Virgin Megastore, and CDNOW is *still* the most convenient and reliable way to get hard-to-find albums. They got me a copy of the remastered _Mob Rules_ (which I'd been unable to find anywhere locally), in less than a week, even though they purportedly didn't have it in stock. > There's also been a SECOND remastering of the Hendrix albums > which the promo blurbs claim as being sonically better than the previous > remasters only a couple of years ago ... Argh. Wait til the 24bit CDs start coming out in numbers, and they remaster everything *again* (except BOC, of course!). ;-) I've given up trying to fight it. I just accept that I'll never catch up. Ever. Steve From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jul 12 17:44:25 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:44:25 -0400 Subject: hawkwind name/flatulant as it may be Message-ID: << I received this from a member of the AC list I'm on. Has anybody ever heard this story before: > I've got this book about how rock bands got their names. Saw Hawkwind and I > thought of you. (I hardly knew there was a band called Hawkwind until you mentioned > it on SickThings.) > Anyway, you probably already know this but ... > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick Turner, had > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but he says it > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as Hwakwind Zoo in > London. > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. <> this tale was told by lemmy - of that we can be sure- but then again - who really gives a shit? bl excellent CD: Crash Worship "Tripple Mania II" From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Jul 12 22:08:06 1997 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:08:06 -0500 Subject: HW: trek to sherman Message-ID: Given the facts that Sherman 8-30 is the only place Hawkwind is playing for sure and it looks like a great gig, I am preparing to make plans on getting there. So far the cheapest travel I've found is Amtrak, $199.00 round trip, to erie,PA and back to St. Paul. It's a 20 hour trip. Flying it would seem will cost $800.00+ from the 2 quotes I've gotten. Anybody else on the list find any cheaper transportation? Is there an estimated crowd size for this festival yet? -- Standing on the runway waiting for take off Dan Witt MInneapolis, MN USA From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sun Jul 13 01:07:24 1997 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 01:07:24 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger/Today's Altoona show Message-ID: I just got back from the Brain Surgeons appearance in Altoona, PA. What a great show! I'll get to the details in a minute. Re: Billy Hilfiger, he played some fantastic guitar at the concert and showed no signs of any problems. Albert told me after the show that Billy had been diagnosed with a brain tumor, but that the Brain Surgeons gigs were helping him keep his mind off of it. Let's all wish him the best of health! Now, to the show! Due to last minute complications this past week, the venue and time for the show were changed, and the crowd was kind of sparse. Actually, by the time the Brain Surgeons hit the stage, only a dozen or so people were in attendance. (I for one was rather glad the moshers had left, since their goofy gyrations were obscuring my view of the band!). It was really exciting to finally see Albert, Deb, and company playing this great music live. The set list (not necessarily in order): Saint Vitus Dance Medusa Gun Gimme Nothin' My Civilization Donkey Show Laura's Plastic Swords I Play the Drums Dominance and Submission Cities on Flame The Red and the Black I only wish they'd had time for more music! It was nice to see that all of the band members (and Albert in particular) were really enjoying themselves playing their music, despite the sparse attendance. Highlights for me were hearing Deb's voice live (it's just as bouncy, fun, and unique as on the albums), hearing a couple of my favorite Brain Surgeons tunes (My Civilization, Donkey Show, Laura's Plastic Swords--all solid and powerful renditions), Albert's drum break on I Play the Drums (he progressed from playing his drums to playing the various pieces of his drums to playing various objects as he walked around the stage!), the three BOC songs (only Albert does Dominance and Submission justice! Cities on Flame was monstrously powerful, and The Red and The Black was a fun surprise), and of course chatting with Albert and Deb after the show. All in all, it was a great concert. It's just too bad that more people weren't there to see it! SET From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sun Jul 13 01:39:19 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:39:19 -0500 Subject: HW: trek to sherman Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:08:06 -0500 Dan Witt wrote: >Given the facts that Sherman 8-30 is the only place Hawkwind is playing >for sure and it looks like a great gig, I am preparing to make plans on >getting there. So far the cheapest travel I've found is Amtrak, $199.00 >round trip, to erie,PA and back to St. Paul. It's a 20 hour trip. Flying >it would seem will cost $800.00+ from the 2 quotes I've gotten. > >Anybody else on the list find any cheaper transportation? Yup. American Airlines has $204 round-trip from Dallas TX to Newark NJ. (Friend Dave wants to show me around New York on Friday, 8-hour drive to Sherman on Saturday and miss the first 2 or 3 bands, spend Labor Day driving back to Newark airport. Boink!) >Is there an estimated crowd size for this festival yet? I'd like to know too... I'll Cc: StrangeDaze at hawkwind.com since he'll be able to answer the question better than I can. Damon From ToneDef2 at AOL.COM Sun Jul 13 04:34:31 1997 From: ToneDef2 at AOL.COM (ToneDef2 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 04:34:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: In a message dated 97-07-11 19:08:05 EDT, you write: > Does anyone know when there'll be a new album from Monster Magnet? I think >I read something awhile back about one being on it's way. Also, a live >album would be a good idea...... come to think of it, seeing as their cover >versions are so good, they should do a heavy fuzz version of BOC's Veteran >of The Psychic Wars.... That would be KEEE-EEEEWWL! > >Christian Don't know of the status of the latest MM lp. But tell ya what, it would be fine by me if the Magnet boys covered the whole friggin' BOC back catalog. Yeah, a live lp would be very cool. -Matt From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Sun Jul 13 09:43:27 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:43:27 +1000 Subject: HW: SR Question... Message-ID: At 09:33 PM 8/07/97 -0400, Ian R Fines wrote: >>I am sure I have heard a version of Orgone which Nik did sing and it >>is >>on an official release - can anyone pinpoint this please? >> >Nik Turner's Space Ritual Live CD > The second greatest album in history!! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 14 00:06:33 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:06:33 BST Subject: hawkwind name In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:01:38 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > At least, it's certainly the recieved "official" story. I myself think > there's a little more to than that. I still reckon "The Aeon Of Horus" > (The Hawk-headed God) as described by Crowley (and variously called "The > Age Of Aquarius" or just "The New Age") might have something to do with > it. They were certainly aware of Mr. C at that time, and well, it's not > something that people always want to discuss in detail. I dunno - I suspect that had Hawkwind been into this at the time they'd have made it wide open to discussion and probably done an entire concept album based on Crowley and a deal else besides! One thing you can never accuse the band of is being backward at coming forward - especially on subjects that just happen to be non-socially-pc at the time. Much as I would love to imagine the band sitting in a coffee house sometime in 1968-69 intellectually discussing the esoteric depths of Crowley I suspect the main, if not the whole, reason for existence and life at that date was (1) to make really wierd music and (2) to have a great time doing so and I'm fully inclined to accept the silly fart story! In fact I'm also inclined to accept something I was told once that the "nose" bit is itself a gentle glossing-over of the real truth of the name derivation since the "hawk" is the sound you make at the back of your throat before you spit. Jeez - I dunno - and, yes, does it really matter now?! I can only say that Hawkwind were the reason why (when I was considerably younger than now!) I saved up all my pocket money and went out to buy my own personal record player so I could play their albums safely in the sanctuary of my own room. Prior to that the only record player was in the sitting room where my parents always were and playing Hawkwind albums in the presence of my father made me very very nervous - I was always afraid he would start asking me for more details about them and Hawkwind were a band I did not want to start giving any background info on at all! jill obFreedom> childhood's end! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sflahert at CAPECOD.NET Sun Jul 13 19:44:58 1997 From: sflahert at CAPECOD.NET (Sean Flaherty) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:44:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Message-ID: Hi, I hope these questions dont seem too strange. I'm trying to understand Sandy Pearlmans role with the band. I have checked the discography (and yes John, I have read the FAQ :-)) and have seen the quantity of writing credits he has had. Not too much has been written about Sandy in the early years with the band. ( I dont have any copies of morning final so I may be completely wrong) Anyways I guess what I'm getting at is every time his name is mentioned in reference to the band it makes me more curious than before. Anyone have any insight as to Sandy's connection to the band? Thanks, Sean From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Sun Jul 13 22:47:28 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:47:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Cult Brothers Message-ID: I've just added a Cult Brothers section to my web site at http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm. Love to hear comments any of you on the list might have. Bill From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Jul 14 00:40:59 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:40:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Message-ID: >Hi, I hope these questions dont seem too strange. >I'm trying to understand Sandy Pearlmans role with the band. >I have checked the discography (and yes John, I have read the FAQ :-)) >and have seen the quantity of writing credits he has had. > Not too much has been written about Sandy in the early years with the >band. ( I dont have any copies of morning final so I may be completely >wrong) Anyways I guess what I'm getting at is every time his name is >mentioned in reference to the band it makes me more curious than before. >Anyone have any insight as to Sandy's connection to the band? Your next step is to read the Goldmine article. (just keep in mind Al has mentioned a few parts weren't quite the way they were in there, but that's more for later stuff not early stuff).... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == To dwell within Samsara, however Barony of Silverwater = is to be subject to the works of those http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= who are mighty among dreamers. (Andrew A. Apold) == - Mahasamatman ==================================== From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Jul 14 03:18:34 1997 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:18:34 +1000 Subject: BOC: The Innocence Message-ID: Does anyone know of a 60's or early 70's band called _The Innocence_ and if they have any connections to SWU/SFG/BOC? Richard Meltzer (apparently writing for Crawdaddy) does the liner notes on the back of their self-titled album and gives Sandy Pearlman a mention. There is also a track titled "All I Do is Think of You" credited to Linde/Bloom. Could that be Eric? Or is this just a vague coincidence? Pete Anders and Vinnie Poncia produced the album did most of the writing. All I've found out so far is that these blokes went on to a band called _The Trade Winds_ which (if I remember correctly) has some connection to _Styx_. But that's getting further off track... Pete. ObLP: Mirrors - BOC ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance" - D.G. Harris From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Mon Jul 14 04:34:10 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:34:10 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground Message-ID: Hi, I was listening to this on the way in to work this morning, the line ' But not Smiley Michael, whose black motorcycle got eaten by rust' Does this by any chance refer to Mike Moorcock & if so does it actually relate to a real event? Mike P From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Mon Jul 14 04:34:29 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:34:29 +0100 Subject: hawkwind name Message-ID: I got the impression for Kris' book that the Hawk part was from the fact that he coughed (hawked up) a lot???? ---------- From: Sonique[SMTP:sonique at maxwell.PCMICRO.COM.AU] Sent: 11 July 1997 12:15 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: hawkwind name On 10 Jul 97 at 10:24, Dan Witt wrote: > > Lemmy says they got the name because the sax and flute player, Nick Turner, had > > a big nose and he farted alot. It was Hawkwind Zoo before that but he says it > > was still for the same reason. He says there is no such place as Hwakwind Zoo in > > London. > > Anyway, that's what Lemmy say. Apparently it's true ... I've seen that in a number of places (including Kris Tait's book if I rememeber correctly) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Mon Jul 14 04:34:47 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:34:47 +0100 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: scuse my ignorance, but where is this venue? ---------- From: john villani[SMTP:johnv at NCWEB.COM] Sent: 11 July 1997 02:36 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: hawkwind phantasy hey windheads! hawkwind at the phantasy aug 23! any space chicks need a date From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jul 14 07:08:17 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:08:17 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground Message-ID: > Hi, > > I was listening to this on the way in to work this morning, the line ' But > not Smiley Michael, whose black motorcycle got eaten by rust' Does this by > any chance refer to Mike Moorcock & if so does it actually relate to a real > event? > > Mike P I've wondered about the very same thing - and who was Jeff, the poet who wrote with a spray can on walls saying hey I believe that we've drowned? There's tons of odd references in that song. Anyway, great song on a great album..... Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 14 05:25:03 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:25:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Days of the underground Message-ID: >I was listening to this on the way in to work this morning, the line ' But >not Smiley Michael, whose black motorcycle got eaten by rust' Does this by >any chance refer to Mike Moorcock & if so does it actually relate to a real >event? (a) No, (b) Yes. All the people mentioned are real, I gather, including John the Bog! (BTW, I think it's "Smiling" Michael.) - Andy ObCD: MC Solaar - _Paradisiaque_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Jul 14 06:12:06 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:12:06 -0400 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: Hello all, Phantasy refered to in a previous post is the Phantasy, in Lakewood, Ohio. Actually this is an excellent place to see the Hawks, as it is a smaller, more personal venue. I seriously don't expect tickets to last for this show, based on the amount of people that were at the 95 HW show. The Phantasy probably can only hold half the amount. See you, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 07:10:55 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:10:55 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: <01BC9039.165D9A60@agrostis.sci-park.uunet.pipex.com> Message-ID: On 14-Jul-97, Mike Parkington wrote: >Hi, >I was listening to this on the way in to work this morning, the line ' But >not Smiley Michael, whose black motorcycle got eaten by rust' Does this by >any chance refer to Mike Moorcock & if so does it actually relate to a real >event? I thought it was Smiling Micheal according to the lyric book. I think I read that It was a real person but not Moorcock. Si From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 05:04:00 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:04:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind contributors In-Reply-To: <01BC8E0D.14910A60@host5-99-45-92.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC8E0D.14910A60 at host5-99-45-92.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes > >I might have said "Star Cannibal" has silly words - which it does - but >that's not a negative review; dig that bass at the end of it! And then >turn "Joker at the Gate" WAY up loud... Yeah, but you've got to have the LP to get the effect of the segue. Another ultra-volume bit is the lift-off at the end of "Living in the Future" - that really is awesome! My last house had loose floorboards and sash windows which all started resonating at various points - it was like the whole room came alive! From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 06:29:39 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:29:39 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: <199707140913.FAA08131@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: In article <199707140913.FAA08131 at ren.globecomm.net>, C Mumford writes > > I've wondered about the very same thing - and who was Jeff, the >poet who wrote with a spray can on walls saying hey I believe that we've >drowned? There's tons of odd references in that song. Anyway, great song >on a great album..... > >Christian ARRRRGHHHH!!!! You've totally ruined it for me! For years I have been listening to "And Death was a poet who wrote with ....etc" ^^^^^ All this time, I've thought "great line Bob!" and now I find its just Jeff? From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 06:33:58 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:33:58 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Si writes > >I thought it was Smiling Micheal according to the lyric book. I think I read >that It was a real person but not Moorcock. Well, in the absence of a lyric sheet, I had thought this line was: "But not smiley's micros whose black balls were psycho, got eaten by rust". No, I am not kidding. I also used to think Motorhead's "Iron horse is his life" was "I am home said his wife". I _have_ tried cotton wool buds but you will see from earlier posts of mine that I have a problem working out some lyrics. "Freshly flew, bake or stew?, is this my earthly human crew?" From 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 14 09:39:50 1997 From: 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (sm@4thworld) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:39:50 +0000 Subject: GRAND HAWKWIND SALE Message-ID: attention hawkfans feast your eyes on this one personal collection of hawkwind & related (calvert, deep fix, nik turner) vinyl up for grabs many rare items, including 7"s, pic discs & fan club items email me for list or check out the entire lot @ http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/hw.htm posters & rare photos to follow cheers sonic assassin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 08:30:39 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:30:39 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Mark Edmonds writes >All this time, I've thought "great line Bob!" and now I find its just >Jeff? "JUST" Jeff? Philistine! -- Jon Browne From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jul 14 09:21:25 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:21:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: WHERE is Quicksand? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Crawford Smith wrote: > "Arthur Comics" and "What is Quicksand" released in a limited promo > pressing by Elektra [snip]... > Hmmm. How available are these? Does anyone out there have copies? I > mean, the Elektra promo must be rare as hen's teeth, right? Should I even > bother haunting the used record-marts, or is it a waste of time? Keep looking - I found a copy last year at a record fair in Bath, England. No idea how it got there. Quicksand is forgettable, but Arthur Comics is a great track, instantly recognisable guitar style and bizarre lyric. It would be fabulous if the Stalk Forrest album came out 28 years late - hope we don't have to wait that long for EW! - Mike Godwin From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 14 10:25:45 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:25:45 +0200 Subject: HW: Dr.Music Festival (Spain) Message-ID: Hi folks HAWKWIND played a 70 Minutes gig in the night from 12.07.1997 to 13.07.1997 at the Dr.Music Festival (Spain). The linup was: Brock / Chadwick / Richards / Tree + an unknown guest speaking a few words during Brainstorm The band was in a very good mood. The colourfull lightshow and the dancers and fire-eaters were great. Dave did sing most of the songs. Here is the track listing: - intro - new song (also played in Blackheath) - assault & battery - golden void - hassan i sahba - space is their - hassan i sahba - instrumental (also played in Blackheath) - love in space - aerospaceage inferno - sonic attac - blue skin - brainstorm - camera that could lie - brainstorm - raptile vision (encore) cheers Bernhard From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jul 14 11:02:48 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:02:48 +0300 Subject: Spacehead Message-ID: Hi all! Could someone tell Spacehead discography, please. Miikka From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Jul 14 11:23:02 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:23:02 -0400 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: Got the new self-titled CD by Abraxas Pool on Friday. It's early Santana sans Carlos. Thirty years after the fact, but they've still got the sound nailed. If you like the first two Santana albums this should thrill you. *BUT* the real surprise is track seven entitled "Guajirona" and credited to Jose Areas as writer. It's the melody to "Don't Fear The Reaper"! Note for note. Marcia Clark could prosecute this lawsuit and win. (-8 Don't think this one's going to be out on the market long, folks. Grab your collector's item will you can. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 09:34:43 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:34:43 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jon Browne writes >In article , Mark Edmonds > writes >>All this time, I've thought "great line Bob!" and now I find its just >>Jeff? > >"JUST" Jeff? Philistine! >-- >Jon Browne I REPENT! I REPENT! (Well who is Jeff then?!) Despite having apparently blasphemed, you must admit that "Death was a poet who wrote with a spray can" does sound pretty neat. From Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET Mon Jul 14 11:28:02 1997 From: Mike.Parkington at UK.UU.NET (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:28:02 +0100 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: I've often wondered, what, where etc is Abraxas? ---------- From: John McIntyre[SMTP:MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU] Sent: 14 July 1997 16:23 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Got the new self-titled CD by Abraxas Pool on Friday. It's early Santana sans Carlos. Thirty years after the fact, but they've still got the sound nailed. If you like the first two Santana albums this should thrill you. *BUT* the real surprise is track seven entitled "Guajirona" and credited to Jose Areas as writer. It's the melody to "Don't Fear The Reaper"! Note for note. Marcia Clark could prosecute this lawsuit and win. (-8 Don't think this one's going to be out on the market long, folks. Grab your collector's item will you can. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 14 12:33:22 1997 From: 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (sm@4thworld) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:33:22 +0000 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: boc who From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Jul 14 11:46:32 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:46:32 -0400 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: >From: Mike Parkington >I've often wondered, what, where etc is Abraxas? A variant spelling for "Abracadabra". John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 14 12:36:18 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:36:18 +0100 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: >I've often wondered, what, where etc is Abraxas? Gee, that dictionary comes in useful: abraxas noun: a mystic word, or a gem engraved with such a word, often bearing a mystical figure of combined human and animal form, used as a charm; (with capital Abraxas) the genus of the gooseberry or magpie moth. >Said to have been coined by the 2nd century Egyptian Gnostic Basilides to express 365 by addition of the numerical values of the Greek letters - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jul 14 12:51:02 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:51:02 +0800 Subject: Agents of Chaos Message-ID: Anyone out there know the line-ups on the live Agents of Chaos gigs? William From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Jul 14 12:28:28 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:28:28 CDT Subject: Dr.Music Festival (Spain) Message-ID: So what do the new songs sound like? Any variant/different versions on the old songs? Allan. obcd: HW: 25 years on: 1973-1977 From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:34 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: HW: Dr.Music Festival (Spain) Hi folks HAWKWIND played a 70 Minutes gig in the night from 12.07.1997 to 13.07.1997 at the Dr.Music Festival (Spain). The linup was: Brock / Chadwick / Richards / Tree + an unknown guest speaking a few words during Brainstorm The band was in a very good mood. The colourfull lightshow and the dancers and fire-eaters were great. Dave did sing most of the songs. Here is the track listing: - intro - new song (also played in Blackheath) - assault & battery - golden void - hassan i sahba - space is their - hassan i sahba - instrumental (also played in Blackheath) - love in space - aerospaceage inferno - sonic attac - blue skin - brainstorm - camera that could lie - brainstorm - raptile vision (encore) cheers Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 14 13:33:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:33:08 EDT Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: Saturday's gig was noteworthy in that BOC played at a pretty good-sized club this time to a decent crowd for a change. I'd say maybe 500 people. Hard to say, as this was a sprawling bar, with a large patio area and 2 large rooms apart from the stage area. There were at least 2 other bands, but I got there as the last warm-up act was about 3 songs from finishing their set. I know the drummer in the first band, but didn't know he was playing with them until I ran into him later. BOC went on at 11pm. Generic set list, I'm afraid, though it did include The Vigil and In thee. Could have done without the latter. I wish they'd bring back Lips in the Hills. Sound was great except I COULDN'T HEAR BUCK DHARMA!!! Huge disaster, esp since I was about 10 feet away from him. He does indeed wear a moustache again [and looks better this way IMHO] and a little tuft of hair below his lower lip, a la Frank Zappa, I believe... EB's vocal problems still in glaring evidence, with BD and Danny backing up most of his parts, I'm afraid. EB was playing the new signature guitar which has a very nice BOC grafic on the top... Allen played a lot of guitar, and was quite animated, though he really looked like hell. A Lone Star Strat, I believe, and a A-Y acoustic on In Thee. EB played keys quite a bit, again, removing his shades now and then for extended periods... Only one 'new' song that night, 'Live For Me,' which kicked ass, and was well received by the crowd. I was extremely pissed they didn't play any more new stuff. Kind of a short set, too, esp. given the huge crowd--you'd think they would've taken the chance to 'cult'-ivate the good and receptive crowd. What the hell do I know?... As someone else noted last week, why the extended solos by the non-original members? Esp. since it's clear that these guys are simply hired hands. Notice how neither of them ever says a word on-mic exc. for their sung parts? In fairness, we have to realize that the rhythm section has served one important funtion: they have kept BOC together and on the road, and we owe them for that...Danny's a monster player, and co-incidentally, uses a Spector bass--same nodel Joe used in his later days with BOC... My vantage point was excellent, or would have been if I could've heard BD. I could see every expression on his face. As I've said before, BD is in absolutely top form. It's so frustrating to see him playing the best guitar of his life in clubs--much better than when he was playing football stadiums. Ultimate irony and all that. The whole band was extremely tight and professional, exc. for EB's voice. Hell, BD even announced Buck's Boogie! What's up with that? BD didn't switch guitars for Reaper. I assume he utilized the Trans-Trem feature on his Steinberger, as he took a few moments to re-tune before that song. He's got a rack-mount tuner [Korg] with a huge display that I could clearly see. Pretty cool! Total set time with encore was about 90 minutes. A bit short considering the excellent crowd, but nobody was griping due to the excellent performance. Very tight set--no waiting between songs--and everything flowed along perfectly. Encores: O.D.'d and tRatB. No big surprises here, though last time I saw them they did O.D.'d early in the set. One glitch: EB announced they were going to do a new song, but after a brief pause, they did, I believe, TCtLDoM, which was excellent, BTW. BD really works out on that tune live. My friend, who hadn't seen BOC in probably 12 years was dumbstruck by BD's playing throughout the show... It's getting a bit frustrating to see an almost identical setlist so often. This is the third time in 8 months where they've played so formulaically. I realize our friends across the Atlantic don't want to hear of such whining esp. in face of a glut of riches, but after waiting a good five years before the beginning of this string, I'm looking forward to a little variety. Guess I'll have to wait 'til the record is released. Very little [if any] mention of EW, BTW... In all, I guess I should count my blessings. A truly competent show by a band I'll never get sick of seeing, no matter how frustrating it can be at times. Definitely check them out this summer, for, given a few reservations, they still can level any venue they play in... theo From jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM Mon Jul 14 13:40:00 1997 From: jill at ROCKSHOT.U-NET.COM (Jill Douglas) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:40:00 +0100 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: I wish to desubscribe this list From HWelty at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Jul 14 15:12:05 1997 From: HWelty at COMPUSERVE.COM (Harriet Rochefort) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:12:05 -0400 Subject: BOC : concerts in Europe ? Message-ID: After months of lurking, this is my first post to the list. I am 21 years old and I have been listening to B?C for 3 years. I saw them in concert in Paris in December of 1995. This concert was awesome and it was a great joy to be able to hear two new songs (See you in black and Harvest Moon), plus Buck's great solo on Last Days Of May. I read somewhere on the Internet that they might come to Denmark for a concert in August and I would like to know if they plan to come back to France one of these days. Does anybody have the answer to this ? My second question deals with a CD I bought recently. It is called Champions Of Rock and it contains the same re-recorded songs than Cult Classic (it's cheaper though!). It seems to be manufactured in Holland by "Disky". Is this a legal copy of Cult Classic or a pirate record ? Bye and good health to you ! Benjamin Rochefort From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 08:31:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:31:02 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Si writes > >I thought it was Smiling Micheal according to the lyric book. I think I read >that It was a real person but not Moorcock. > >Si S'right! -- Jon Browne From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Jul 14 15:25:33 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:25:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Golden Void (finally) updated Message-ID: After a long period of not being able to work on the Golden Void pages (who'd have thought that planning a large wedding and getting a house ready for sale could take up so much time? :-), I finally made some updates. I added a translation of the Hawkwind/van der Graaf liner noted from the original Swedish, added the information for the Dr. Music Festival gig and updated the stats and the set list, and added a list of cover songs by Hawkwind. To get to the new information directly, use the URL http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void/whatsnew.html I still need information on originally did the songs "Make What You Can" and "Oh, Lord". Also, I know Hawkwind has performed few gigs this year. Can someone please fill me in on the dates, cities, and venues so that I can update the information. Thanks for all the help. As always, comments, suggestions, and corrections are most welcome. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I just found out that the brain is like a computer. If that's true, then there really aren't any stupid people. Just people running DOS. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 14 16:15:26 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:15:26 -0600 Subject: Need help and it could be fun. Message-ID: Gang of 200 something: I am undertaking a BOC project, the challenge musical chronicles of their career. I'll be using the tapes to prove to a bud that BOC, while they may not have created waves commercially (i.e,. money) did leave a rather large footprint in their time. My bud is taking a similar approach with another band. I'll be breaking down the commercially available catalog into various eras and compiling songs to put on tape. Each Chronicle would be one tape. Wouldn't mind some help from the list members in compiling the most representative songs and a track order. The eras I've broken down are as follows: Chronicles I - BOC, T&M ST and Feet/Knees Chronicles II - AOF, Specters, SEE, Mirrors, CE and FOUO Chronicles III - ETL, RBN, CN, Imaginos, CC and WoTT. I usually use 100 min tapes but may opt for 110 min if the setlists are compelling enough. Anybody interested in recommendations for this project please feel free to post them. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome obcd - Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Grey From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 14 16:49:28 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:49:28 -0400 Subject: BOC : concerts in Europe ? Message-ID: 1. BOC is coming to Denmark - someone post the dates for this guy! 2. "Champions of Rock" is not a pirate record - it's a legal European release of "Cult Classic" John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 14 17:05:45 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:05:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: <199707140913.FAA08131@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: At 11:08 14/07/97 -0000, you wrote: >> any chance refer to Mike Moorcock & if so does it actually relate to a > > I've wondered about the very same thing - and who was Jeff, the >poet who wrote with a spray can on walls saying hey I believe that we've >drowned? Could it be Jeff Nuttall (poet & author of "Bomb Culture")? ChrisW ObNP: Tri Yann - Inventaire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 14 17:22:45 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:22:45 +0100 Subject: Need help and it could be fun. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:15 14/07/97 -0600, lil' ab wrote: >The eras I've broken down are as follows: > >Chronicles I - BOC, T&M ST and Feet/Knees Don't forget "Live '76" for all it's technical faults it has it's moments... ChrisW ObNextPlay: Afro-Celt Sound System ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Jul 14 18:54:15 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:54:15 -0400 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:12:06 -0400 Duane Hoyt writes: >Hello all, > >Phantasy refered to in a previous post is the Phantasy, in >Lakewood, Ohio. Actually this is an excellent place to see the Hawks, >as >it is a smaller, more personal venue. I seriously don't expect >tickets to last for this show, based on the amount of people that >were at the 95 HW show. The Phantasy probably can only hold >half the amount. > >See you, >Duane Hi--- Are you near the Phantasy? If you are, could you possibly buy me 2 tix if I send you the cash? It would be more than appreciated....I read in the original promotion packet sent out by Jim L. that he expected 3000 people. Is this for real, or can the Phantasy even hold that amount? Also, I'm wondering if anyone in the Cleveland/Ohio area could take find some space for two Hawkfans after the show (I don't want to have to drive home after the experience!). Later -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon Jul 14 23:19:23 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:19:23 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: Nice review Theo - I would like to see the set list mixed up as well - along w/ a revitialized EB. Shawn From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon Jul 14 23:22:05 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:22:05 -0400 Subject: DFtR and Scream Message-ID: This may be old thread - Rented scream tonight and there was a REALLY mello version of the Reaper performed by GLS (?). That brings to five (I believe) the number of Movies that have used the tune - Shawn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jul 14 23:51:45 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:51:45 PDT Subject: DFtR and Scream In-Reply-To: <33CAECDD.3D25@palmnet.net>; from "squinn" at Jul 14, 97 11:22 pm Message-ID: > > This may be old thread - > Rented scream tonight and there was a REALLY mello version of the Reaper > performed by GLS (?). That brings to five (I believe) the number of > Movies that have used the tune - > > Shawn > Yeah, I saw a write-up in Entertainment Weakly (>:-)) that stated something to the effect that DFtR is one of the most used tracks in movie-making. It may have been an article in tandem with Scream, dunno, just flippin' thru the mag while waiting for one of the kids' prescriptions to be filled... 'Nother thing. This last weekend, the local classic rock station had a PF/WoOz "tribute". It was prefaced by whole weekend of progressive tracks that I have NEVER heard on the radio! It was heaven! Tangerine Dream, Jean-Michel Jarre, Genesis (when they was good, not when they were Full Colons backing band!), Steve Hillage (!), Frank Zappa (!!), Yes and ELP LP sides played in their entirity, just incredible!! Not much that I haven't heard from my CD player, but it was cool hearing it on the radio! The ol' man drove the kids crazy this weekend with his air-guitar/synth/drum "solos" and his singing (?!?) (Still can't belive that I remember all the words to Yes's 'Revealing Science Of God' after all these years...) Maybe there is hope for radio yet... probably none for me, though! :-) obCDPlayer: Boddy/Boots/VanDerHeijden : Phase 3 -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Tue Jul 15 01:33:50 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:33:50 -0700 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > As someone else noted last week, why the extended solos by the > non-original members? Esp. since it's clear that these guys are > simply hired hands. > > theo I simply must vehemently disagree here!! Danny Miranda is NOT simply a "hired hand!" He's become an integral part of the band, and a motivating force up on stage. A the Bakersfield and Mission Beach (especially Mission Beach) shows, he was an inspiration with his bass, roaming around the stage, getting the fans wild. His solo during Godzilla was amazing, people were going crazy and screaming for Danny just as much as the do for Buck. Through everything, you can always tell that Danny is just flat out having a GREAT time--it's infectious, and the crowd can definitely feel it. I, for one, wish his solo in Godzilla could be even longer, and that he could have more solos! My opinion, anyway. -- Mike From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jul 15 16:31:31 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:31:31 EST Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: <199707140913.FAA08131@ren.globecomm.net>; from "C Mumford" at Jul 14, 97 11:08:17 am Message-ID: > > > I've wondered about the very same thing - and who was Jeff, the > poet who wrote with a spray can on walls saying hey I believe that we've > drowned? There's tons of odd references in that song. Anyway, great song > on a great album..... > Well the Jeff mentioned in DotU actually existed and was living in Portsmouth in the 1980's. Someone at work knew him and mentioned that he used to hang around with the band when they first started. I never got to met him but guy from work was ok,and didn't bullshit generally. I always thought that "john the Bog" "who slept at the wheel" could of been a sort of tribute to the roadie that died in a crash on way to a gig. best regards Marty obTape: HW Blackheath 1997 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 14 13:09:36 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:09:36 +0100 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting In-Reply-To: <01BC907C.77E56CC0@host5-99-47-56.btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BC907C.77E56CC0 at host5-99-47-56.btinternet.com>, Andrew Gilham writes >>I've often wondered, what, where etc is Abraxas? > >Gee, that dictionary comes in useful: > >abraxas > noun: a mystic word, or a gem engraved with such a word, often bearing a >mystical figure of combined human and animal form, used as a charm; (with >capital Abraxas) the genus of the gooseberry or magpie moth. > > >Said to have been coined by the 2nd century Egyptian Gnostic >Basilides to express 365 by addition of the numerical values of the Greek >letters > >- Andy It's also one of the ten thousand names of God. Allegedly. I havn't asked Him. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 15 07:41:17 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:41:17 EDT Subject: Need help and it could be fun. Message-ID: From: Chris Warburton > > At 14:15 14/07/97 -0600, lil' ab wrote: > >The eras I've broken down are as follows: > > > >Chronicles I - BOC, T&M ST and Feet/Knees > > Don't forget "Live '76" for all it's technical faults it has it's moments... > > ChrisW > Live '76 is a great example of Al's over-the-top drumming. And finally, Stairway on a live record, though hardly a great rendition... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 15 09:18:17 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:18:17 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: >I simply must vehemently disagree here!! Danny Miranda is NOT simply a "hired hand!" He's become an integral part of the band, and a motivating force up on stage. A the Bakersfield and Mission Beach (especially Mission Beach) shows, he was an inspiration with his bass, roaming around the stage, getting the fans wild. His solo during Godzilla was amazing, people were going crazy and screaming for Danny just as much as the do for Buck. Through everything, you can always tell that Danny is just flat out having a GREAT time--it's infectious, and the crowd can definitely feel it. I, for one, wish his solo in Godzilla could be even longer, and that he could have more solos! My opinion, anyway. I agree - of course, I'm biased toward good bass players (something I can only dream to become). Danny has definitely cemented his place in the current BOC, at least as far as live shows goes (and until "the Wheel" comes out, that really is all there is to BOC, other than the memories). Danny is young (well, compared to the rest of the band - he is, though, my age - an "old fart" at 33), talented, and full of energy onstage. BOC needs this kind of energy onstage - Al, Joe, and Eric used to provide it (Buck and Allen were never really "animated"), and now that energy is really projected by Danny and Buck (Buck moves around and shows more emotion and love of playing than he ever did in BOC's heyday). I understand that Danny also writes music, however with the new album basically having been written prior to Danny's arrival, it remains to be seen whether or not we'll ever see any Danny Miranda compositions done by BOC. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 15 09:21:50 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:21:50 -0400 Subject: Need help and it could be fun. Message-ID: > Don't forget "Live '76" for all it's technical faults it has it's moments... > > ChrisW > Live '76 is a great example of Al's over-the-top drumming. And finally, Stairway on a live record, though hardly a great rendition... Also very representative of this period, if you can find it, is the tape oft-referred to as "Live in the West" John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 15 09:29:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:29:35 EDT Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > >I simply must vehemently disagree here!! Danny Miranda is NOT simply a > "hired hand!" He's become an integral part of the band, and a > motivating force up on stage. A the Bakersfield and Mission Beach > (especially Mission Beach) shows, he was an inspiration with his bass, > roaming around the stage, getting the fans wild. His solo during > Godzilla was amazing, people were going crazy and screaming for Danny > just as much as the do for Buck. Through everything, you can always > tell that Danny is just flat out having a GREAT time--it's infectious, > and the crowd can definitely feel it. I, for one, wish his solo in > Godzilla could be even longer, and that he could have more solos! My > opinion, anyway. > > I agree - of course, I'm biased toward good bass players (something I can > only dream to become). Danny has definitely cemented his place in the > current BOC, at least as far as live shows goes (and until "the Wheel" > comes out, that really is all there is to BOC, other than the memories). > Danny is young (well, compared to the rest of the band - he is, though, > my age - an "old fart" at 33), talented, and full of energy onstage. > BOC needs this kind of energy onstage - Al, Joe, and Eric used to > provide it (Buck and Allen were never really "animated"), and now that > energy is really projected by Danny and Buck (Buck moves around and > shows more emotion and love of playing than he ever did in BOC's heyday). > I understand that Danny also writes music, however with the new album > basically having been written prior to Danny's arrival, it remains to be > seen whether or not we'll ever see any Danny Miranda compositions done by > BOC. > > John Hey, dudes, read my whole post. I said Danny was a monster bass player, but I don't see him as an equal partner in the band. Live, they really come across as 3OC and the 2 other guys. That's not Danny's fault. It remains to be seen [if EW ever sees the light of day] how much creative input he will have. And really, since this material predated Danny, I guess we'll have to wait another 10 yrs or so to witness Danny's composing ability... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 15 09:36:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:36:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: E-mail from John Shirley Message-ID: I got an e-mail recently from John Shirley. He was mainly writing because he took exception to one or 2 sentences in the BOC FAQ regarding his book, *Transmaniacon* - unfortunately, this was a spot which I didn't do a good job as an "editor", and the info on that book basically came from a post to BOC-L -- and as a post, the information had a few opinions in it, and John didn't like them. While I respect the opinions of the person who wrote the review, I also recognize that this person did not write the review specifically for inclusion in the FAQ, and I should have edited it to include only more factual information (which, to be fair to the reviewer, was most of his post). I have apologized to John for not editing this so that it would be merely factual (as I feel I should have done, for I have always stated that I want the BOC FAQ to be "factual", and not trying to take any particular side where there are differences of opinion), and have promised to update the FAQ shortly with this edit (I'll also throw in several other things as I've compiled quite a list of new things to be adding to the FAQ over the past few months). John also gave me some other information that might be of interest: 1. He says the album will be out in early 1998, with the rest of the recording be finished this fall. 2. He says that he is involved in getting BOC gigs - I don't think he means that he's taken over that job, but that he is working to line up a number of gigs for them. 3. Tim Burton is planning a remake of the old Ray Milland movie Man with the X Ray Eyes and as John wrote a song about that movie, he sent the song to the producer, who like it, and may use it in the movie (since BOC will do this song on "Ezekiel's Wheel", perhaps BOC's rendition will be used. 4. John has his own CD at his website (which I list in the FAQ) and it has John's rendition of "See You in Black" (same words, but very different music than BOC's version) on it - Buck Dharma has personally given the CD a "thumbs up" quote on John's website. 5. John's new book, "Silicon Embrace" contains many BOC references - I think I've seen this book at my local Barnes & Noble so I'll probably pick it up. John From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 14 23:44:58 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:44:58 -0700 Subject: "Don't Fear The Reaper" sighting Message-ID: John McIntyre[SMTP:MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU] wrote: > Got the new self-titled CD by Abraxas Pool on Friday. Mike Parkington wrote: > I've often wondered, what, where etc is Abraxas? Not to be confused with new Polish progressive rock band Abraxas... Jerry From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 15 09:32:34 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:32:34 -0600 Subject: BOC; Danny is More!/Help Wanted Message-ID: > As someone else noted last week, why the extended solos by the > non-original members? Esp. since it's clear that these guys are > simply hired hands. > > theo >I simply must vehemently disagree here!! Danny Miranda is NOT simply a >"hired hand!" He's become an integral part of the band, and a >motivating force up on stage. >Mike Perhaps you are both right. While Danny is blessed with excellent skills and gives a solid performance the band itself seems to treat him as only a hired hand. Danny provides good backup vocals why not let him do some lead? If Eric continues to struggle with his voice then it makes sense to let Danny give it a whirl. Buck can't sing every song. Last I saw them Buck did Cities on Flame; sounded just as bad as Eric trying to do D&S. >Don't forget "Live '76" for all it's technical faults it has it's moments... ChrisW Hmmm I don't know about Live 76. Was this an official release? I'm trying to stay within the catalog so my bud can get anything that impresses him. Bottlegs and rare stuff may be too hard to find. I gave away my copy on cd but still have the video. Seeing as how the sound quality is equally as bad if there is some compelling version on it I can always dub it from the video I guess. With that recommendation what song(s) would you recommend be included in Chronicles I? L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome OBcd - The Revolution By Night, U-NO-WHO From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 15 10:19:08 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:19:08 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: >Live, they really come across as 3OC and the 2 other guys. Theo, read MY whole post. I disagree that they come off that way. If anything, they come off more as Buck, Eric, Danny and 2 other guys. And if it weren't for some in-between banter by Eric, it looks like the Buck/Danny show up there in terms of overall presentation live. Well, at least to me. Sure, Danny doesn't get the mike for anything other than some backup vocals, but he's the most animated guy on that stage. And, which I failed to mention, I've watched Danny's bassplaying and he is NOT simply copying Joe's riffs. He adds a slightly funky approach whereas Joe's was a bit more "walking bass" approach - Danny also uses a "sharper", more trebly tone as oppossed to Joe's more rounded tone (very characteristic of a lot of bass sounds in the 60s and 70s). I'm not at all trying to say that Danny is "better" than Joe Bouchard (who is one of my main inspirations in playing bass), but he is different, and it adds some "fresh air" to these songs that BOC has played for years. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jul 15 10:36:56 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:36:56 +0200 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: Hi folks Received today the long awaited Love in Space promo single CD. A great one!! Love In Space is good Lord Of Light is very good Sonic Attac is EXCELLENT cheers Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 15 10:42:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:42:18 EDT Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > > >Live, > they really come across as 3OC and the 2 other guys. > > Theo, read MY whole post. I disagree that they come off that way. If > anything, they come off more as Buck, Eric, Danny and 2 other guys. And > if it weren't for some in-between banter by Eric, it looks like the > Buck/Danny show up there in terms of overall presentation live. Well, at Well, one could easily argue that Danny brings more to the stage than EB these days. EB has pretty much given up on being the frontman. What little stage banter is left is contributed by BD. And BD never has been a wildman onstage [apart from his amazing gtr playing]... > least to me. Sure, Danny doesn't get the mike for anything other than > some backup vocals, but he's the most animated guy on that stage. And, > which I failed to mention, I've watched Danny's bassplaying and he is NOT > simply copying Joe's riffs. He adds a slightly funky approach whereas I never suggested that Danny copied Joe's playing. He brings his own style to the BOC material... > Joe's was a bit more "walking bass" approach - Danny also uses a "sharper", > more trebly tone as oppossed to Joe's more rounded tone (very characteristic > of a lot of bass sounds in the 60s and 70s). I'm not at all trying to > say that Danny is "better" than Joe Bouchard (who is one of my main > inspirations in playing bass), but he is different, and it adds some > "fresh air" to these songs that BOC has played for years. > > John Hey, does Danny use a pick like Joe? I don't remember. As far as Better, it's apples and oranges. I think Danny is on a par with Joe, though it remains to be seen if he can write songs like Joe... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 15 04:51:10 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:51:10 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground In-Reply-To: <199707150531.PAA25017@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199707150531.PAA25017 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn Lawrence writes >I always thought that "john the Bog" "who slept at the wheel" could of been >a sort of tribute to the roadie that died in a crash on way to a gig. S'right. Of "John & Higgy - trusted swordsmen" legend. SR / Doremi era. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 15 15:01:17 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:01:17 EDT Subject: Summerdaze Message-ID: Maybe John mentioned this, but the Summerdaze disc lists the current band lineup, yet during Godzilla's solo parts, EB refers to John on the bass and John Micelli on drums. Was this Jon Rogers on bass? I'm not too familiar with that incarnation of the band. Micelli was playing with them during the winter, but Rondinelli was pounding the hides when I saw them last Sat. Aside: The Pat Travers material is worthwhile for sure, and Foghat, well I guess you either love 'em or hate 'em, but I suspect that they come off better in person than on record, and the total equals more than the sum of the parts. Not bad at all, IMHO... theo From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 15 15:04:08 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:04:08 +0100 Subject: DFtR and Scream In-Reply-To: <9707150351.AA27171@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: At 20:51 14/07/97 PDT, CraigS wrote: >Genesis (when they was good, not when they were Full Colons backing band!), I saw them as a support act to Van der Graaf Generator back in them bad old days - lotsa fun - even if VdGG did have one of their (regular?) equipment meltdowns! >(Still can't belive that I remember all the words to Yes's 'Revealing Science >Of God' after all these years...) That's TRULY sad.... I have rgular air-guitar sessions with my kidz (9 & 10) - they love a good dose of BOC, and last weekend they moaned hugely when their mother came home & insisted that we "turn that racket off!" *VBG* ChrisW JustOffThe CD:Tom Waits - Heartattack & Vine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 15 15:10:51 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:10:51 +0100 Subject: Need help and it could be fun. In-Reply-To: <199707151321.JAA17714@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: At 09:21 15/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >> Don't forget "Live '76" for all it's technical faults it has it's moments... >> >> ChrisW >> >Live '76 is a great example of Al's over-the-top drumming. And >finally, Stairway on a live record, though hardly a great >rendition... > > >Also very representative of this period, if you can find it, is the tape >oft-referred to as "Live in the West" Anyone in the UK got a copy of this? ChrisW ObComingUp: This Is TripHop Disc1 From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Jul 15 16:04:36 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:04:36 CDT Subject: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: Berhard, Is this the long-awaited EBS release, or a snazzy/nifty for you? ie, can we get the cd? :-) Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 9:44 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Hi folks Received today the long awaited Love in Space promo single CD. A great one!! Love In Space is good Lord Of Light is very good Sonic Attac is EXCELLENT cheers Bernhard From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jul 15 18:28:22 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:28:22 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? Message-ID: Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a figment of my imagination getting eaten by rust, I Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 15 16:49:52 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:49:52 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? Message-ID: >Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was >mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the >Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or >b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a >figment of my imagination (b). BTW, the Man tracks on GTP are excellent - which reminds me, Man are at the Shepherds Bush Empire on September 13! - Andy ObCD: Radio Birdman - _Under the Ashes_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 15 16:53:46 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:53:46 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: Once again theo, I think we're in violent agreement on a number of things! ;-) I wanted to say Danny doesn't use a pick, and now I can't remember for sure. Anybody else? John From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Tue Jul 15 17:50:29 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:50:29 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: In a message dated 97-07-15 10:21:11 EDT, you write: << If anything, they come off more as Buck, Eric, Danny and 2 other guys. And if it weren't for some in-between banter by Eric, it looks like the Buck/Danny show up there in terms of overall presentation live. >> This is the kind of thread the really makes this list worth reading, IMHO. Like you, John, I think Danny has really become an integral part of the live show. And while Bobby may very well be a hired hand (which doesn't detract from his drumming), Allen was the most energetic I remember seeing him in a long time recently in Atlanta....playing a lot of guitar, moving around a lot, coming to the front and wings of the stage with Eric. As for Buck, he's got to be at his absolute best nowadays...he's never been smoother. My wife, who saw her 1st BOC show in Atlanta on 6/21, called Buck hypnotic. I have to agree...his playing really can not be adequately described! Bill BOC & tBS Workshop: http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Jul 15 17:51:49 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:51:49 -0400 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: Hello all, I just got off the phone with Jim, and here's the latest on the Cleve. HW show. There is a very good chance that this show scheduled for the 23rd is not going to happen on that day. Dave Brock is supposedly entertaining an offer to appear in London on the 22nd, for a Roswell Aniversary show. This would make it next to impossible to get packed, fly over here, get through customs, etc, for a show in Cleve the next day. If this scenerio does occur, the Cleve. show will be rescheduled for a day or two later. NONE OF THIS IS CONFIRMED AT THIS POINT!! As far as tickets, it will be an "at the door" setup, with no advance sales. There should not be any problem with ticket availability, as typically the Hawks draw 900-1000 fans when they play here, and the Phantasy can hold 1200. Expect ticket prices to be around $15 if there is a "local act" performing first, but there is a chance that Nik Turner will open (only if Dave Brock is o.k. with it) as Nik says he would do it. If this is the case, expect tickets to be about $5 to $10 dollars higher. Anyway, none of this is set in stone yet, so as soon as I here anything of a definite nature, I will post it. See you, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From PsychoGuy at AOL.COM Tue Jul 15 17:52:34 1997 From: PsychoGuy at AOL.COM (Bill Futreal) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:52:34 -0400 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club Message-ID: I'm **pretty** sure Danny doesn't use a pick. Bill BOC & tBS Workshop: http://www.mindspring.com/~futreal/boc.htm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 15 17:56:02 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:56:02 -0400 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? Message-ID: Christian sayz... >Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was >mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the >Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or >b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a >figment of my imagination Might that have been 'Magic Muscle', the band featuring Adrian Shaw (and in the 90's version, Simon House)? They were the opening band on the Space Ritual tour (where the 'Laughs & Thrills' live recordings (not so good quality unfortunately) came from). I wouldn't be surprised if they were supposed to play at Greasy Trucker's as well. Keith H. (FAA) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 15 18:21:30 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:21:30 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? In-Reply-To: <199707152033.QAA17229@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: At 22:28 15/07/97 -0000, you wrote: >Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was >mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the >Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or >b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a >figment of my imagination > >getting eaten by rust, > >I Christian > b) If I could find my Greasy Truckers album (I'm still recovering from a house move) I'd give some more info ChrisW From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 15 18:24:37 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:24:37 +0100 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? In-Reply-To: <01BC9169.1FB3C540@host5-99-52-20.btinternet.com> Message-ID: Once again, AndyG beats me to the draw - rats... >>Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was >>mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the >>Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or >>b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a >>figment of my imagination > >(b). >BTW, the Man tracks on GTP are excellent - which reminds me They are why I originally forked out for this gem! >, Man are at the Shepherds Bush Empire on September 13! I'll be there - look out for a balding lunatic in an original (red) Rhinos, Winos & Lunatics t-shirt > >- Andy > Anyone else going? ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Jul 15 18:36:48 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:36:48 -0600 Subject: BOC Live at T-Rex club In-Reply-To: <33CB0BBE.18BE@deltanet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Michael G Karschner wrote: > Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > > As someone else noted last week, why the extended solos by the > > non-original members? Esp. since it's clear that these guys are > > simply hired hands. > > > > theo > > I simply must vehemently disagree here!! Danny Miranda is NOT simply a > "hired hand!" He's become an integral part of the band, and a > motivating force up on stage. A the Bakersfield and Mission Beach > (especially Mission Beach) shows, he was an inspiration with his bass, > roaming around the stage, getting the fans wild. His solo during > Godzilla was amazing, people were going crazy and screaming for Danny > just as much as the do for Buck. Through everything, you can always > tell that Danny is just flat out having a GREAT time--it's infectious, > and the crowd can definitely feel it. I, for one, wish his solo in > Godzilla could be even longer, and that he could have more solos! My > opinion, anyway. > > -- Mike > Amen; Danny is NOT a hired gun, but an awesome and talented MEMBER of BOC> Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Jul 15 19:00:12 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:00:12 -0500 Subject: HW: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:54:15 -0400 Ian R Fines wrote: >Are you near the Phantasy? If you are, could you possibly buy me 2 tix >if I send you the cash? It would be more than appreciated....I read in >the original promotion packet sent out by Jim L. that he expected 3000 >people. Is this for real, or can the Phantasy even hold that amount? Hmmm... are you sure you didn't read that in the promo packet for Strange Daze? Even then, that campground can't hold more than around 2000, according to Lascko. Damon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 15 19:12:13 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:12:13 -0400 Subject: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: Duane sayz... > >I just got off the phone with Jim, and here's the latest >on the Cleve. HW show. > >There is a very good chance that this show scheduled for >the 23rd is not going to happen on that day. Dave Brock >is supposedly entertaining an offer to appear in London >on the 22nd, for a Roswell Aniversary show. Hmmm...aren't they a little late? The true anniversary's just been. >This would make it next to impossible to get packed, fly over here, >get through customs, etc, for a show in Cleve the next >day. If this scenerio does occur, the Cleve. show will >be rescheduled for a day or two later. NONE OF THIS IS >CONFIRMED AT THIS POINT!! > >As far as tickets, it will be an "at the door" setup, >with no advance sales. There should not be any problem >with ticket availability, as typically the Hawks draw >900-1000 fans when they play here, and the Phantasy can >hold 1200. Huh? We're talking about the Nite Club, right? Not the old (deunct?) Phantasy Theatre, the site of the brilliant 1987 gig. Unless something's changed. While I imagine that you could (perhaps) fit 1200 people into the Phantasy Nite CLub, I don't think I'd want to be one of them, esp. on a hot day. And I don't think it'd be legal, either, according to the fire marshall. When Gong played there roughly a year ago, I'd guess there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-400. (?) That seemed pretty comfortable. Double that and you'd be really crowded in. Triple that, and I would consider that well beyond snug. I think there might be more people who show up than they really want to let in, if they do it at the door. Maybe I'm wrong? Anyway, I'd get there early, personally. Unfortunately, I probably won't be going. Bad timing. :( >Expect ticket prices to be around $15 if >there is a "local act" performing first, but there is a chance >that Nik Turner will open (only if Dave Brock is o.k. with it) >as Nik says he would do it. If this is the case, expect >tickets to be about $5 to $10 dollars higher. Anyway, none of >this is set in stone yet, so as soon as I here anything of a >definite nature, I will post it. If this happens, I think they really should try to move it. Can't they get the spacious Agora again?? Or what about the Odeon? Keith H. (FAA) From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 15 19:33:03 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:33:03 -0400 Subject: HW: hawkwind phantasy Message-ID: >Hmmm... are you sure you didn't read that in the promo packet for >Strange >Daze? Even then, that campground can't hold more than around 2000, >according to Lascko. > >Damon > Yes...it was the original promo packet which outlined the costs. Jim used his Cleveland show as an example. I'm sure he expected to draw at least 2-3000 fans. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Jul 15 23:05:04 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:05:04 -0500 Subject: hawkwind phantasy - _Theatre_ Message-ID: > >Huh? We're talking about the Nite Club, right? Not the old (deunct?) >Phantasy Theatre, the site of the brilliant 1987 gig. Unless something's >changed. Nonono. The Theatre's still available. It's just not used much. >When Gong played there roughly a year ago, I'd guess there were somewhere in >the neighborhood of 300-400. (?) That seemed pretty comfortable. Double More around 200, as I recall. >If this happens, I think they really should try to move it. Can't they get >the spacious Agora again?? Or what about the Odeon? > The Odeon is now owned by the Belkins. They no promote you no play. Wylie From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 16 12:22:03 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:22:03 -0600 Subject: More Danny & Live '76 Message-ID: Theo>"Hey, dudes, read my whole post. I said Danny was a monster bass player, but I don't see him as an equal partner in the band. Live, they really come across as 3OC and the 2 other guys. That's not Danny's fault." Well Theo my "Horse" (Galactic Cowboys "The Horse that Bud Bought')didn't come in yesterday which makes me extremely angry so I'll beat this dead horse issue a bit more. I certainly read your whole post and agree with you. It has nothing to do with Danny's playing but rather the limitations they seemed to have placed on him. Why can't Danny do lead vocals on Cities on Flame or some of the other numbers that were reserved for Eric? I think it would help their live performances if Danny were allowed to step up to the mic. He could not sound worse than Buck trying to siong the rockers. >> >Live '76 is a great example of Al's over-the-top drumming. And >finally, Stairway on a live record, though hardly a great >rendition... Again with the Live 76? I remain unconvinced. Is the Drumming any better than Al's passionate pounding on Feet/Knees? What live version on this offering is better than anything on SEE, Feet Knees or even ETL? To the FAQ editor, is Live 76 and official release? I don't think it is. I dunno on this one guys. Certainly I think if I do use one off this offering I'll dub it from the video, sound quality may be a bit better. But which song would you recommend. Here is the initial track list for each Chronicle thus far: Chronicle 1 - >From BOC Transmanicon MC Last Days of May Stairway to the Stars Redeemed >From T&M OD'd on Life Itself Baby Ice Dog Mistress of the Salmon Salt Wings Wetted Down * >From ST - Career of Evil Dominance & Submission Gagey Cretins Flaming Telepaths >From Feet - Subhuman Buck's Boogie Cities on Flame ME 262 Astronomy** * 50/50 on this one ** May cheat and use the SEE version. Astronomy is a must for C-1 however the live version is so compelling I may make this an exception. C- 2 >From AOF - Vera Gemini Sinful Love Tatoo Vampire Specters Golden Age of Leather Serchin' for Celine I Love the Night Nosferatu Mirrors - The Great Sun Jester The Vigil I Am the Storm CE - Monsters Hungry Boys Lips in the Hills Unknown Tongue FoUO - Vengance the Pact Fire of Unknown Origin ETL Black Blade Roadhouse Blues * Joan Crawford SEE ETI Reaper * Well Swartz always uses the term "essential" when mentioning this song, guess I'm convinced it is. 8>). C3 - RBN Take Me Away Shooting Shark Feel The Thunder Dragon Lady CN - Dancin' in the Ruins Perfect Water Spy in the House of the Night Shadow Warrior Imaginos -Everything off this one. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome OBCD - Reserved for the Galactic Cowboys "The Horse that Bud Bought" From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Jul 16 12:51:40 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:51:40 +0200 Subject: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: Hi Allan At 15:04 15.07.97 CDT, you wrote: >Is this the long-awaited EBS release, or a snazzy/nifty for you? ie, >can we get the cd? :-) Well, it is the promo CD which was offered on the official HAWKWIND WWW-Site. I suppose it is identical to the forthcomming official single CD, but the promo has no special cover, just a plain white one with black letters saying: THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST SYSTEM PROMOTION ONLY! NOT FOR RELEASE Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 16 13:19:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:19:55 EDT Subject: More Danny & Live '76 Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Well Theo my "Horse" (Galactic Cowboys "The Horse that Bud > Bought')didn't come in yesterday which makes me extremely angry so I'll > beat this dead horse issue a bit more. I certainly read your whole post > and agree with you. It has nothing to do with Danny's playing but rather > the limitations they seemed to have placed on him. Why can't Danny do Come to think of it, Joe and Allen never said much on-mic between songs, though Al always did. In fact Buck never said all that much in the way of stage rap back in the old days, though he did often offer memorable intros to TCtLDoM, explaining the circumstances depicted in the song. Can't remember his saying too much aside from that. BTW, I for one am glad that Last Days...is back in the setlist. While BD always ripped on this song [damn, esp. during the laser days with the 'stage bathed in flames' effect ca. Spectres tour] he has seemingly found a way to elevate this one to a new level, much like he is doing with Buck's Boogie nowadays... > lead vocals on Cities on Flame or some of the other numbers that were > reserved for Eric? I think it would help their live performances if > Danny were allowed to step up to the mic. He could not sound worse than > Buck trying to siong the rockers. > I guess it's just that these are EB's signature tunes, like Stairway. I wonder why they couldn't let Danny sing a song or two on the new album? But EB can still cut it in the studio, where stuff can be repaired and spliced together. It's live, where you really need some guts behind your voice that EB is lacking. Let me reiterate: I think Danny's a major talent, and I think he SHOULD BE given more of a presence in the band. I just don't perceive that as happening right now... > >> > >Live '76 is a great example of Al's over-the-top drumming. And > >finally, Stairway on a live record, though hardly a great > >rendition... > > > Again with the Live 76? I remain unconvinced. Is the Drumming any > better than Al's passionate pounding on Feet/Knees? What live version > on this offering is better than anything on SEE, Feet Knees or even ETL? I don't know that the quality of the music is any better, but Al is really present in the mix. He just sounds particularly savage on this recording. BTW, while we all know that Al is a bruiser on the drums, it's significant that he always knew when to hold back to create dynamics within the song. On DFtR, he holds back during the verses, to help build tension, then when BD's solo [studio version] comes up, Al lets loose with everything to help propel that section along. If he just wailed all the time, he wouldn't be so effective a drummer. I actually think he plays a little conservatively on tBS recordings, though not at the live show I saw! > To the FAQ editor, is Live 76 and official release? I don't think it > is. I dunno on this one guys. Certainly I think if I do use one off > this offering I'll dub it from the video, sound quality may be a bit > better. But which song would you recommend. > Hmm...COFWRAR, Buck's Boogie...skip EB's rambling on D&S [though I always dug it live, I don't esp. dig listening to it on a recording. One of those things you have to experience firsthand, I guess...] > Here is the initial track list for each Chronicle thus far: > > Chronicle 1 - > > From BOC > > Transmanicon MC > Last Days of May > Stairway to the Stars > Redeemed > > From T&M > > OD'd on Life Itself > Baby Ice Dog > Mistress of the Salmon Salt > Wings Wetted Down * > > From ST - > > Career of Evil > Dominance & Submission > Gagey Cretins > Flaming Telepaths > > From Feet - > > Subhuman > Buck's Boogie > Cities on Flame > ME 262 > Astronomy** > > * 50/50 on this one > ** May cheat and use the SEE version. Astronomy is a must for C-1 > however the live version is so compelling I may make this an exception. > Agreement on that one... > C- 2 > > From AOF - > Vera Gemini > Sinful Love > Tatoo Vampire > > Specters > Golden Age of Leather > Serchin' for Celine > I Love the Night > Nosferatu > > Mirrors - > > The Great Sun Jester > The Vigil > I Am the Storm > > CE - > > Monsters > Hungry Boys > Lips in the Hills > Unknown Tongue > > FoUO - > > Vengance the Pact > Fire of Unknown Origin > > ETL > > Black Blade > Roadhouse Blues * > Joan Crawford > > SEE > ETI > Reaper > > * Well Swartz always uses the term "essential" when mentioning this > song, guess I'm convinced it is. 8>). > > C3 - > > RBN > > Take Me Away > Shooting Shark > Feel The Thunder > Dragon Lady > > CN - > Dancin' in the Ruins > Perfect Water > Spy in the House of the Night > Shadow Warrior > > Imaginos -Everything off this one. > > > L8er > > lil' ab \ What, no Godzilla? I know we're all sick of it [also BFY but they really did a great job on it last week, loathe as I am to admit it] but isn't it really an 'essential' BOC song? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 16 13:22:59 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:22:59 -0400 Subject: More Danny & Live '76 Message-ID: Theo>"Hey, dudes, read my whole post. I said Danny was a monster bass player, but I don't see him as an equal partner in the band. While I disagreed on the live visual aspect as far as Danny being an "equal partner" (Adrian raises some good points about letting Danny do a little lead vocals - couldn't hurt). As far as band decisions go, I really don't know. But, it hasn't ever been clear to me who makes the decisions in that band these days - for awhile I had heard that Buck was tired of the BOC bit and needed prodding from Eric to continue. More recently I've heard that it is now the other way around. Some have jumped to the conclusion that because he's doing most of the singing, that BOC is now "Buck's Band" - I think that isn't quite correct, and that the only reason for Buck singing more is due to Eric's voice - whether you want to say that its in really bad shape, or whether he is resting it after too much repeated strain is up to you - there may be elements of truth in all of those. >Again with the Live 76? I remain unconvinced. Is the Drumming any better than Al's passionate pounding on Feet/Knees? What live version on this offering is better than anything on SEE, Feet Knees or even ETL? I haven't paid strict attention to the drumming so I'd have to listen again to render an opinion, but I do remember that some of Al's work during "Astronomy" on *Live 1976* was exquisite - on the video during one part in Buck's solo, there's a split-screen shot of Buck soloing with Al accentuating stuff on the drums and cymbals and I remember distinctly being impressed with that. Of course, only on *Live 1976* do you get to hear a drum solo, which has some cool parts (although it seemed more like it was done at the time to showcase the lasers, rather than Al in particular). Now for an over-the-top Al Bouchard drum solo, go check out the Brain Surgeons live doing "I Play the Drums"!!! >To the FAQ editor, is Live 76 and official release? I don't think it is. I dunno on this one guys. Certainly I think if I do use one off this offering I'll dub it from the video, sound quality may be a bit better. But which song would you recommend. Dunno about all the business of releasing stuff in different countries, but I believe Live 76 is a legitamite release (Castle Records, UK), and not a bootleg (it's much more easily available than something like *The Thing*, and Castle is a legitamite record company, yes?). It is not a release from Columbia/CBS/Sony as far as I know. If you want to use a track from Live 1976, go for the "5 Guitars"! Not that is necessarily that great as a whole song (but, it IS cool to listen to, and the band was pretty "on" in their jamming that night), but it was a feature of BOC's live show from that time period. As for your overall list, we could all come up with our own "must have" list of BOC songs, and we'd all come up with some slightly different. Your list is probably as good as any other - of course WOTT made some serious sins of omission so I'd have to say yours might be better than that -- of course, you left off Hot Rails to Hell as well, so you better add it!! ;-) John From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Wed Jul 16 23:48:05 1997 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:48:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Chat part 2 Message-ID: Hi folks! Here's part 2 of the IRC Chat The Artist Shop hosted with Buck Dharma a while back. Part 1 was posted here a week or two ago. If you missed it, go to and look for the link to the chat log. And while you're there, don't forget to stop by our Brain Surgeons page at . Gary FROM ShawnQuinn: Buck - if its clear Alaska is a great place to check-out the Comet. I have yet to see the comet. Thanks for the reminder. This is the first clear day here.. FROM RichZoll: how much has business and business men interfered with your music? Rich> Business people haven't interferred much with the content of BOC's music, but they do have a big effect on whether your stuff gets a proper chance in the marketplace. There's probably thousands of great songs and players no one gets to hear because the business ain't right. Question for Buck, Is the Atlanta Gig the first Concert you have played as "Buck Dharma?" Yes it is, at least on this scale. I'm nervous! FROM ^pele: B..C. will be playing in Albuquerque on the 15th, I was wondering if the band will be around to sign autographs and meet the fans? We usually do that if it's not a hassle. Depends on the venue, setup, hour. BTW, who decided how to spell 'Albuquerque'? Who invented that word? FROM Simorgh: On the business note...Do you ever communicate with Sandy Pearlman? Since Sandy departed as the band's manager, we don't speak much. He's on the west coast and only if there's a common business matter or something.. Shawn asks if you ever considered doing an instrumental solo CD? I want to spend more time recording and less time touring next year. I'm having a great time singing these days, but an instrumental CD would be fun. Anybody play or own some great new gear? FROM Simorgh: Just my trusty Les Paul 1992 Standard I hear Les Paul's TV ad is great. Haven't seen it yet. Might we hear Gamera's Missing? in Atlanta? Gamera is a strong contender.. Also, Deadline from Cultasaurus Yes! Buck, Jackson of the Screen door, and his front row seat says thank you for Deadline:-) We're gonna have some fun in Atlanta. FROM Simorgh: Buck, when did you start to think about UFO's? UFO's since the '50's. I figured with all the stars and planets in the universe, somebody ought to have solved problems of time/space travel.. Besides I think Roswell HAPPENED FROM vpi: Which person do you most admire? and from RichZoll: who is your favorite guitar player? and do you like the blues? My fave all around lead player is Jeff Beck. He's the taste king, and always plays interesting, unexpected stuff. I love the Blues, like to play it, even thou I don't really know the catechism of classic blues licks. I just do my version of the blues. Even Ritchy Blackmore loves the blues. My earliest influences were Chuck Berry, Scotty Moore and other players on early Rock recordings, when I started playing the style was Surf instrumentals and Chuck Berry again, via Carl Wilson (or whoever ghosted those parts on record). Some background--I started playing just as string gauges were becoming lighter and string bending was just coming in as a common technique. I think James Burton, with Ricky Nelson was one of early rock string benders. FROM RichZoll: anyplace you havent been that you might wish to see? I'd like to do Australia and New Zealand. I'm a big Crowded House fan Tell Buck someone posted in Jack's BB that he was from Australia and seeing BOC is his Number one quest Maybe we could hook something up... FROM RichZoll: do you like the brain surgeons? I like some of the Brain Surgeons stuff. It's clever in the way Albert brought his point of view to BOC. Of the three records, I like Eponymous the best, but I haven't heard the new one enough.. FROM Simorgh: Do you ever wear a suit and tie? Yep, but not often. Rich asks if Buck's been to AK before, Rich, I saw them in Anchorage 81, 3 times in two days FROM Simorgh: Buck, if you weren't a "rocker", what might you have done with your life? I think after this we'll take just one more question as Buck needs to be heading to the soundcheck. I always wanted to be a 'Foley' artist, a guy who overdubs sound effects in movies. I think I'd make a great recording engineer/producer, too. Buck, any chance of seeing Godzilla in the American version in 1998? (Columbia Tri Star is doing a American Godzilla movie in 1998) I've been in touch with Sony pictures on Godzilla's behalf, they'd be fools not to at least give a nod to BOC's Zilla. They say the picture is still a long way off. FROM Simorgh: Produce my stuff, buck, please!!! Sorry Simorgh, you've passed our deadline :-) Buck has to be heading off to soundcheck! Buck, on behalf of Ricky Browning's family and all of your fans, we'd like to say Thank You for helping in the fund raising efforts Thanks, Gary! : Nice talking with you folks, it's funny to be in another room than the rest of you, the chat moves a little slower, but I'm hooking up with IRC soon. I'll be looking for you all out on the road. Farewell I sincerely want to thank Buck for sharing this time with us tonight. Bye:-) And certainly a big thank you to Agent for helping out. Take a bow Agent. Your Welcome, Gary:-) You're all welcome. Glad to be coming down to Atlanta and doing it. If any of you want more information on the Atlanta event, I'm sure Agent would be glad to help you. Agent, why don't you give the folks your e-mail address for this event. My email address is AgentOF at aol.com I hope you folks have had fun. This has been another Artist Shop IRC Chat. I hope you'll stop by The Artist Shop for a visit. Our URL is http://www.artist-shop.com . For you BOC fans, Albert's Brain Surgeons is part of The Artist Shop with their own page including graphics and soundbites. Also be sure to sign up for our mailing list so you'll get notices of Artist Shop goings on including chats like these. So, again, thank you all for coming. I think it's time to unmoderate the room for some general fun and music chat!!!! Session Close: Wed Apr 02 1997 ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol.com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 11:56:40 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:56:40 BST Subject: Love in Space promo single CD In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:51:40 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos This isn't working for me today. Is anyone else having problems? The message says the server doesn't have a DNS entry - whatever that may be when it's working. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 07:02:07 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:02:07 +0100 Subject: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: It seems the problem is Internet-wide. - Alun ---JANET Trouble Ticket--- Ticket Number: 970717-3 Ticket Status: OPEN Ticket Type : Unscheduled Ticket Source: JIPS-NOSC Ticket Scope : InterNet Site/Line : DNS Root Servers Ticket Owner : JIPS-NOSC Problem Fixer: InterNIC Ticket Opened: 970717 10:16 UTC Problem Start: 970717 10:16 UTC Ticket Update: Ticket Closed: Problem Ends : Ticket Summary: Root nameserver problems Problem Description: There appears to be a problem with many of the root DNS nameservers at the moment, which is causing massive disruption to the Internet as a whole, particularly on lookups in the .com and .net domains. .gov and .edu are reportedly working correctly. Affected: DNS lookups, particularly under .com and .net. The problem first started in the early hours of this morning. Actions: cziadar 970717 10:22 UTC The InterNIC are aware of the problem, and are reportedly regenerating zone files to correct the problem. h.root-servers.net and i.root-servers.net appear to be responding correctly at the time of writing. At 11:56 17/07/97 BST, you wrote: >Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >> Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos > >This isn't working for me today. Is anyone else having problems? The >message says the server doesn't have a DNS entry - whatever that may be >when it's working. > >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Jul 17 08:57:02 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:57:02 CDT Subject: off/other: internet outage (was RE: Love in Space promo single CD) Message-ID: Alun, Where did you dig up the info on the ticketting system, and is the outage still going on? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 6:10 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Love in Space promo single CD It seems the problem is Internet-wide. - Alun ---JANET Trouble Ticket--- Ticket Number: 970717-3 Ticket Status: OPEN Ticket Type : Unscheduled Ticket Source: JIPS-NOSC Ticket Scope : InterNet Site/Line : DNS Root Servers Ticket Owner : JIPS-NOSC Problem Fixer: InterNIC Ticket Opened: 970717 10:16 UTC Problem Start: 970717 10:16 UTC Ticket Update: Ticket Closed: Problem Ends : Ticket Summary: Root nameserver problems Problem Description: There appears to be a problem with many of the root DNS nameservers at the moment, which is causing massive disruption to the Internet as a whole, particularly on lookups in the .com and .net domains. .gov and .edu are reportedly working correctly. Affected: DNS lookups, particularly under .com and .net. The problem first started in the early hours of this morning. Actions: cziadar 970717 10:22 UTC The InterNIC are aware of the problem, and are reportedly regenerating zone files to correct the problem. h.root-servers.net and i.root-servers.net appear to be responding correctly at the time of writing. At 11:56 17/07/97 BST, you wrote: >Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >> Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos > >This isn't working for me today. Is anyone else having problems? The >message says the server doesn't have a DNS entry - whatever that may be >when it's working. > >jill > >======================================================================= ==== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 09:23:50 1997 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:23:50 +0100 Subject: off/other: internet outage (was RE: Love in Space promo single CD) Message-ID: It still seems to be a problem as far as I can see. The "ticketting system" is used by UKERNA, who run the JANET network for UK higher education. I happened to see this one because it was forwarded to owners of distribution lists who use the MAILBASE system in the UK (I run two lists), but as appropriate they go to my staff (I'm responsible for this college's academic computing service, amongst other things). Alun At 07:57 17/07/97 CDT, you wrote: >Alun, > >Where did you dig up the info on the ticketting system, and is the >outage still going on? > >Allan. > >From: BOC-L >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 6:10 AM >To: Grohe, Allan T.; >Subject: Re: Love in Space promo single CD > >It seems the problem is Internet-wide. > >- Alun > > >---JANET Trouble Ticket--- > >Ticket Number: 970717-3 Ticket Status: OPEN >Ticket Type : Unscheduled Ticket Source: JIPS-NOSC >Ticket Scope : InterNet Site/Line : DNS Root >Servers >Ticket Owner : JIPS-NOSC Problem Fixer: InterNIC >Ticket Opened: 970717 10:16 UTC Problem Start: 970717 10:16 >UTC >Ticket Update: >Ticket Closed: Problem Ends : > > >Ticket Summary: Root nameserver problems > >Problem Description: > >There appears to be a problem with many of the root DNS nameservers >at the moment, which is causing massive disruption to the Internet >as a whole, particularly on lookups in the .com and .net domains. > .gov and .edu are reportedly working correctly. > >Affected: > >DNS lookups, particularly under .com and .net. The problem first >started in the early hours of this morning. > > >Actions: > >cziadar 970717 10:22 UTC >The InterNIC are aware of the problem, and are reportedly regenerating >zone files to correct the problem. > >h.root-servers.net and i.root-servers.net appear to be responding >correctly at the time of writing. > > > >At 11:56 17/07/97 BST, you wrote: >>Bernhard Pospiech writes: >> >>> Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos >> >>This isn't working for me today. Is anyone else having problems? >The >>message says the server doesn't have a DNS entry - whatever that may be >>when it's working. >> >>jill >> >>======================================================================= >==== >>J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk >> >ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> > From 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 17 11:15:45 1997 From: 4thworld at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (sm@4thworld) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:15:45 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND POSTERS/MAGIC MUSHROOM BAND ETC FOR SALE Message-ID: all items are on LP (vinyl) format unless stated otherwise all items original (including posters) issue unless stated other wise all are in excellent - mint condition, with the odd sleeve in very good condition, many are unplayed some of the items listed have set prices others to be sold by bids but all items are to be sold irrespective of prices bid, so feel free to bid as low or as high as you want, you might just get yourself a bargin; payment notes: 1.currency, i am based in the uk remember 2.i can take the following methods of payment visa / access / switch (preffered for quicker sale) cheque / postal order / imo cash (uk currency preffered) to pay by credit card, fax or phone your card details through to me on (01786 471705) check out my hawkwind list as well @ http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/hw.htm astralasia - pitched up on the edge of reality lp (magic eye records)with free album 7ukp barney bubbles star rats posters (the set) x 4 BIDS cahan - space shanty lp 1978 repress(pvc) 12ukp clear light symphony lp (feat steve hillage, tim blake, dedier malherbe)(virgin) 15ukp faith no more - fully autographed poster 15ukp groundhogs - hog in the stage 2 x lp w/ free 7" ep (psycho) 7ukp hawkind - love and peace poster BIDS hawkind / man - 1999 gig poster BIDS hawkwind - astrounding sounds tour poster 1976 BIDS hawkwind - astrounding sounds tour programme 18ukp hawkwind - earth ritual tour programme 10ukp hawkwind - levitation tour programme 8.50ukp hawkwind 1988 tour programme 6ukp hawkwind/pink fairies round house gig poster BIDS horselips - happy to meet sorry to part lp (hexagonal shaped record) (oats) 10ukp increadiable string band - no ruenous fued lp (island) 5ukp incrediable string band - earth span lp (island) 10ukp jethro tull - benefit repress lp (chysalis) 4ukp jethro tull - broadsword and the beast lp repress (crysalis) 4ukp jethro tull - cat fish rising lp (german pressing with 3 track 12") 10ukp jethro tull - crest of a knave tour programme 6.50ukp jethro tull - light music tour programme 5ukp jethro tull - living in the past (orig book style sleeve) lp (crysalis) 12ukp jethro tull - rock island (german pressing)lp 9ukp jethro tull - rock island tour programme 7.50ukp jethro tull - stell monkey shaped 7" pic disc 6.50 jethro tull - thick as a brick lp (orig newspaper sleeve) (crysalis) 12ukp jethro tull - this is not love 12" (crysalis) 5ukp jethro tull - wandering aloud live bootleg 1987 (topol) 10ukp magic mushroom - procees of illumination lp (fungus) 18ukp magic mushroom band - eyes of the angel lp (aftermath) 18ukp magic mushroom band - politics of ecstacy lp (pagan music) with poster 50ukp man - be good to yourself at least once a day w/ fold out map of wales lp (ua) 9ukp man - maximum darkness g/fold lp (ua)9ukp man - rhinos winos and lunatics lp (ua) 8ukp man - slow motion lp (ua) 5ukp mike moorcock - new worlds fair poster BIDS motorhead - beer drinkers and hell raisers lp (big beat records) 8ukp motorhead - motorhead german pressing lp (chiswick) 14ukp motorhead - what's wordsworth german live lp (big time) 9ukp motorhead -on parole rockfile series autographed by phil taylor (ua) 8ukp ozric tentacles - jurrasic shift lp (dovetail) unplayed with poster 12ukp ozric tentacles - live bootleg lp (blackadder) 10ukp paladin - same lp (bronze) 8ukp pink faires - live at the roundhouse 1975 (pink vinyl) (big beat) 15ukp pink faries - previously unreleased lp (big beat) 8ukp pink faries - special compilation lp (polydor) 7ukp pink faries - what a bunch o sweeties lp (polydor) 8ukp slayer - south of heaven autographed tour programme 15ukp ten years after - ssssh lp (deram) 6ukp ten years after - watt gatefold lp (deram) 6.50ukp tiwnk - odds and beginnings lp (twink) autographed lyric sheet 11ukp twink - mr rainbow lp (twink) plus 7" single autographed 10ukp yes - drama tour programme 10ukp yes - re-volution 1973 bootleg lp (flashback) yes - union tour programme 5ukp yes- insert for fragile lp 2ukp yes shows 77 tour programme 10ukp -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ check the 'r-chive' page - discourse from black dog/ musik aus strom/ irdial + more //::transmdision ovner::\\nmdomen discdonext.... From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 15:56:56 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:56:56 BST Subject: GRAND HAWKWIND SALE In-Reply-To: sm@4thworld's message of Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:39:50 +0000 Message-ID: sm at 4thworld writes: > attention hawkfans > > feast your eyes on this one > > personal collection of hawkwind & related > (calvert, deep fix, nik turner) vinyl up for > grabs > > many rare items, including 7"s, pic discs & > fan club items so - who else is bidding for some of these? Who am I likely to be up against.... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Jul 17 11:07:40 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:07:40 CDT Subject: off/other: internet outage (was RE: Love in Space promo single CD) Message-ID: i ask because i work for sprint's its dept, and we've got a major fibercut going on throughout the eastern USA--wasn't sure if this was related allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 8:33 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: off/other: internet outage (was RE: Love in Space promo single CD) It still seems to be a problem as far as I can see. The "ticketting system" is used by UKERNA, who run the JANET network for UK higher education. I happened to see this one because it was forwarded to owners of distribution lists who use the MAILBASE system in the UK (I run two lists), but as appropriate they go to my staff (I'm responsible for this college's academic computing service, amongst other things). Alun At 07:57 17/07/97 CDT, you wrote: >Alun, > >Where did you dig up the info on the ticketting system, and is the >outage still going on? > >Allan. > >From: BOC-L >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 6:10 AM >To: Grohe, Allan T.; >Subject: Re: Love in Space promo single CD > >It seems the problem is Internet-wide. > >- Alun > > >---JANET Trouble Ticket--- > >Ticket Number: 970717-3 Ticket Status: OPEN >Ticket Type : Unscheduled Ticket Source: JIPS-NOSC >Ticket Scope : InterNet Site/Line : DNS Root >Servers >Ticket Owner : JIPS-NOSC Problem Fixer: InterNIC >Ticket Opened: 970717 10:16 UTC Problem Start: 970717 10:16 >UTC >Ticket Update: >Ticket Closed: Problem Ends : > > >Ticket Summary: Root nameserver problems > >Problem Description: > >There appears to be a problem with many of the root DNS nameservers >at the moment, which is causing massive disruption to the Internet >as a whole, particularly on lookups in the .com and .net domains. > .gov and .edu are reportedly working correctly. > >Affected: > >DNS lookups, particularly under .com and .net. The problem first >started in the early hours of this morning. > > >Actions: > >cziadar 970717 10:22 UTC >The InterNIC are aware of the problem, and are reportedly regenerating >zone files to correct the problem. > >h.root-servers.net and i.root-servers.net appear to be responding >correctly at the time of writing. > > > >At 11:56 17/07/97 BST, you wrote: >>Bernhard Pospiech writes: >> >>> Check WWW.HAWKWIND.COM to get more infos >> >>This isn't working for me today. Is anyone else having problems? >The >>message says the server doesn't have a DNS entry - whatever that may be >>when it's working. >> >>jill >> >>====================================================================== = >==== >>J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk >> >ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >> > From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 16:46:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:46:52 BST Subject: GRAND HAWKWIND SALE In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:56:56 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > sm at 4thworld writes: > > > attention hawkfans > > > > feast your eyes on this one > > > > personal collection of hawkwind & related > > (calvert, deep fix, nik turner) vinyl up for > > grabs > > > > many rare items, including 7"s, pic discs & > > fan club items > > > so - who else is bidding for some of these? Who am I likely to > be up against.... 8-) Anyone for a game of Prisoner's Dilemna? ;-) > jill FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 17 13:01:50 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:01:50 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 16 Jul 1997 to 17 Jul 1997 Message-ID: >> Again with the Live 76? I remain unconvinced. Is the Drumming any >> better than Al's passionate pounding on Feet/Knees? What live version on >>this offering is better than anything on SEE, Feet Knees or even ETL? > >Theo>I don't know that the quality of the music is any better, but Al is >really present in the mix. He just sounds particularly savage on >this recording. BTW, while we all know that Al is a bruiser on the >drums, it's significant that he always knew when to hold back to >create dynamics within the song. >John>I haven't paid strict attention to the drumming so I'd have to listen >again to render an opinion, but I do remember that some of Al's work >during "Astronomy" on *Live 1976* was exquisite - on the video during >one part in Buck's solo, there's a split-screen shot of Buck soloing with Al accentuating stuff on the drums and cymbals and I remember distinctly >being impressed with that. {snips} Now for an over-the-top Al Bouchard drum >solo, go check out the Brain Surgeons live doing "I Play the Drums"!!! Well cetainly Al is capablable of banging the skins, its just that I don't really "hear" anything special about the songs on the video, what you see is great but the hearing is a different story. True Stairways appears on Live 76 and the version of Astronomy makes it a good setlist. However for over all sound quality I don't think either would translate very well. If I garner his interest in the Cult I'll let him watch the video so he can identify the players. First part is to gain the interest. Now I agree with both of you on Al' style of playing. He know's when to cut loose and when to blend. I have heard "I Play the Drums" Live and this is one monster tune. If I am ever fortunate enough to catch tBS live I really hope this one is in the setlist, if not let it be known now, "that loudmouth jerk screaming at you Al was 'lil ab" 8>). > >> To the FAQ editor, is Live 76 and official release? >> >>Hmm...COFWRAR, Buck's Boogie...skip EB's rambling on D&S [though I always >>dug it live, I don't esp. dig listening to it on a recording. >One of those things you have to experience firsthand, I guess...] Hmmm Cities I prefer from Feet, same with Buck's Boogie. D&S has to be the ST version. I've never heard a better one. > >John>Dunno about all the business of releasing stuff in different countries, but I believe Live 76 is a legitamite release (Castle Records, UK), and >not a bootleg (it's much more easily available than something like *The >Thing*, and Castle is a legitamite record company, yes?). It is not a release from Columbia/CBS/Sony as far as I know." Well this may resolve the issue for me. Think I will leave it out of >the mix then. > > >> Here is the initial track list for each Chronicle thus far: >> From Feet - >> >> Subhuman >> Buck's Boogie >> Cities on Flame >> ME 262 >> Astronomy** > >> ** May cheat and use the SEE version. Astronomy is a must for C-1 >> however the live version is so compelling I may make this an exception. >> >Theo>Agreement on that one... Its such a great version I think it has to be in there. Format of the tape will be studio songs with all the lives one grouped at the end. This is for C1&2. C3 is Imaginos. > > >Theo>What, no Godzilla? I know we're all sick of it [also BFY but they >really did a great job on it last week, loathe as I am to admit it] >but isn't it really an 'essential' BOC song? "zilla at this time i a maybe. Its the one song I know he's familiar with. For my money if I heard it once every five years it would rule once again. BFY is rather ordinary (IMHO) while it was a radio hit, I'm after what really made BOC a unique band. This is not going to be a greatest hits package. > John>As for your overall list, we could all come up with our own "must have" list of BOC songs, and we'd all come up with some slightly >different. Your list is probably as good as any other - of course WOTT made some serious sins of omission so I'd have to say yours might be better than that -- of course, you left off Hot Rails to Hell as well, so you >better add it!! ;-) > Ok as of this pointsome of what I've selected has some narrow purposes. With the early stuff it wasn't all pedal to the metal slash and burn, thus song's like Redeemed, Wing's Baby Ice Dog etc., Same for the middle years they were not all radio ballads. I never imagined I would use as many as three from Mirrors. The Vigil has been termed "an essential" by a good friend though I'm not as fond of it. Conversely I looove Bucks guitar tone on both Sun Jester and I Am the Storm. I think the change up in Storm is priceless and shows just how easy it was for the band to shift gears. Caught me on Hot Rails huh? Fear not, right now I'm struggling to get my tape/cd program to work on this machine. I haven't even timed these out yet to 90, 100 or 110 tapes. Final setlist will have Hot Rails on there and one , but not both of either 'Zilla or BFY. I also feel a strange urge to include more from CE. No Marshall Plan mind you but perhaps either Divine Wind or Fallen Angels. Now if my musical director would return from the beach I 'll have the final list narrowed and give him ten minutes to determine the song order. Guys is so good at song order this thing will sound better than what you can buy in the store. Thanks for the comments guys. >L8er > >lil' ab > >"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. >He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. >He strikes from below like a viper. >Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. >He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - >Chromedome From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 17 13:02:51 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:02:51 -0600 Subject: BOC Chronicles, thanks Message-ID: > >> Again with the Live 76? I remain unconvinced. Is the Drumming any >> better than Al's passionate pounding on Feet/Knees? What live version on >>this offering is better than anything on SEE, Feet Knees or even ETL? > Theo>I don't know that the quality of the music is any better, but Al is >eally present in the mix. He just sounds particularly savage on >this recording. BTW, while we all know that Al is a bruiser on the >drums, it's significant that he always knew when to hold back to >create dynamics within the song. > >John>I haven't paid strict attention to the drumming so I'd have to listen >again to render an opinion, but I do remember that some of Al's work >during "Astronomy" on *Live 1976* was exquisite - on the video during >one part in Buck's solo, there's a split-screen shot of Buck soloing with >Al accentuating stuff on the drums and cymbals and I remember distinctly >being impressed with that. {snips} Now for an over-the-top Al Bouchard drum >solo, go check out the Brain Surgeons live doing "I Play the Drums"!!! > >Well cetainly Al is capablable of banging the skins, its just that I don't >really "hear" anything special about the songs on the video, what you see is >great but the hearing is a different story. True Stairways appears on Live >76 and the version of Astronomy makes it a good setlist. However for over >all sound quality I don't think either would translate very well. If I >garner his interest in the Cult I'll let him watch the video so he can >identify the players. First part is to gain the interest. Now I agree with >both of you on Al' style of playing. He know's when to cut loose and when to >blend. I have heard "I Play the Drums" Live and this is one monster tune. >If I am ever fortunate enough to catch tBS live I really hope this one is in >the setlist, if not let it be known now, "that loudmouth jerk screaming at >you Al was 'lil ab" 8>). > >> To the FAQ editor, is Live 76 and official release? >> >>Hmm...COFWRAR, Buck's Boogie...skip EB's rambling on D&S [though I always >>dug it live, I don't esp. dig listening to it on a recording. >One of those things you have to experience firsthand, I guess...] > >Hmmm Cities I prefer from Feet, same with Buck's Boogie. D&S has to be the >ST version. I've never heard a better one. > >John>Dunno about all the business of releasing stuff in different countries, >but I believe Live 76 is a legitamite release (Castle Records, UK), and not a >bootleg (it's much more easily available than something like *The Thing*, and >Castle is a legitamite record company, yes?). It is not a release from >Columbia/CBS/Sony as far as I know." > >Well this may resolve the issue for me. Think I will leave it out of the mix >then. > > >> Here is the initial track list for each Chronicle thus far: >> From Feet - >> >> Subhuman >> Buck's Boogie >> Cities on Flame >> ME 262 >> Astronomy** > >> ** May cheat and use the SEE version. Astronomy is a must for C-1 >> however the live version is so compelling I may make this an exception. >> >Theo>Agreement on that one... > >Its such a great version I think it has to be in there. Format of the tape >will be studio songs with all the lives one grouped at the end. This is for >C1&2. C3 is Imaginos. > > >Theo>What, no Godzilla? I know we're all sick of it [also BFY but they >really did a great job on it last week, loathe as I am to admit it] >but isn't it really an 'essential' BOC song? > >"zilla at this time i a maybe. Its the one song I know he's familiar with. >For my money if I heard it once every five years it would rule once again. >BFY is rather ordinary (IMHO) while it was a radio hit, I'm after what really >made BOC a unique band. This is not going to be a greatest hits package. > >John>As for your overall list, we could all come up with our own "must have" >list of BOC songs, and we'd all come up with some slightly different. Your >list is probably as good as any other - of course WOTT made some serious sins >of omission so I'd have to say yours might be better than that -- of course, >you left off Hot Rails to Hell as well, so you better add it!! ;-) > >Ok as of this pointsome of what I've selected has some narrow purposes. >With the early stuff it wasn't all pedal to the metal slash and burn, thus >song's like Redeemed, Wing's Baby Ice Dog etc., Same for the middle years >they were not all radio ballads. I never imagined I would use as many as >three from Mirrors. The Vigil has been termed "an essential" by a good >friend though I'm not as fond of it. Conversely I looove Bucks guitar tone >on both Sun Jester and I Am the Storm. I think the change up in Storm is >priceless and shows just how easy it was for the band to shift gears. Caught >me on Hot Rails huh? Fear not, right now I'm struggling to get my tape/cd >program to work on this machine. I haven't even timed these out yet to 90, >100 or 110 tapes. Final setlist will have Hot Rails on there and one , but >not both of either 'Zilla or BFY. I also feel a strange urge to include more >from CE. No Marshall Plan mind you but perhaps either Divine Wind or Fallen >Angels. Now if my musical director would return from the beach I 'll have >the final list narrowed and give him ten minutes to determine the song order. > Guys is so good at song order this thing will sound better than what you can >buy in the store. > >Thanks for the comments guys. > > >L8er > >lil' ab > >"The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. >He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. >He strikes from below like a viper. >Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. >He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - >Chromedome > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 17 13:31:34 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:31:34 EDT Subject: BOC remasters? Message-ID: I heard someplace that there are plans afoot to finally release the early BOC stuff in up-to-date remastered discs. John, do you or Bolle know anything about this? theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 17 19:12:53 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:12:53 BST Subject: OFF: changes Message-ID: There's going to be a mainframe change here so if anyone sends me email for a day or so it may bounce. Hopefully things should be ok..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Jul 17 15:21:44 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:21:44 -0400 Subject: GRAND HAWKWIND SALE In-Reply-To: <9707171646.aa09597@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jul 17, 97 04:46:52 pm Message-ID: > > J Strobridge writes: > > sm at 4thworld writes: > > > attention hawkfans > > > feast your eyes on this one > > > personal collection of hawkwind & related > > > (calvert, deep fix, nik turner) vinyl up for > > > grabs > > > > so - who else is bidding for some of these? Who am I likely to > > be up against.... 8-) > > Anyone for a game of Prisoner's Dilemna? ;-) > > > jill > > FoFP > welcome to the Hawk-Village! i guess this makes me No.3. i'd suggest that we have a drinking contest to settle this all in a civilized manner...but i've seen Jill and Mike drink and realize i wouldn't have a hope in hell. ;-) --dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 17 15:48:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:48:04 -0400 Subject: BOC remasters? Message-ID: Bolle has told me that the catalog will definitely be remastered eventually. What he really knows about it I don't know -- but, perhaps he knows of definite PLANS to do this, but plans have a way of falling through. He knew that Sony was planning a "BOC Box Set", and we got WOTT instead. Now, Sony may very well intended to do a box set, and then scaled back the project. Anyway, I hope the catalog would be remastered, and maybe add extra tracks that were recorded but not released, and maybe stuff like "I Love the Night" with all 3 verses (of course, I don't know exactly what was originally recorded) and maybe some outtakes or something. To me though, and Bolle and I disagree on this, I'd much rather have them release stuff that hasn't been released, rather than releasing remasters of stuff I've already got. Oh, and to answer your question, I guess I don't know if there will be BOC remasters... John From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 17 19:45:54 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:45:54 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: Hawkwind will be playing in NYC on Fri Aug 29 at Coney Island High. Hansel und Gretel will also be on the bill. The club has a full BAR. The show is being produced by Coney Island High, Eli Freedman, and yours truly. Transport to the Festival the following day can be arranged. For more details contact me at stewartbas at aol.com regards, Bill Stewart From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jul 17 21:39:37 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:39:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Re: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:45:54 -0400 Bill Stewart wrote: [[NYC info deleted]] > Transport to the Festival the following day can be arranged. For more >details contact me at stewartbas at aol.com D00D! Heya. My friend Dave and I have already made engagements with a car rental for the weekend - but hey, we could have a caravan! :-) I'm not sure exactly where we'll be staying yet, but fer shure it'll be in New Joisey. (Maybe the White Deer Motel in Parsippany... gotta call on prices.) Damon From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Thu Jul 17 23:42:19 1997 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:42:19 -0700 Subject: Church of HW Message-ID: Marc Sperhauk lives in Minneapolis and publishes Light Specific Discs, a listing of HW and related CD's. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 18 07:50:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 07:50:41 EDT Subject: BOC remasters? Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > Bolle has told me that the catalog will definitely be remastered eventually. > What he really knows about it I don't know -- but, perhaps he knows of > definite PLANS to do this, but plans have a way of falling through. He > knew that Sony was planning a "BOC Box Set", and we got WOTT instead. Now, > Sony may very well intended to do a box set, and then scaled back the > project. Anyway, I hope the catalog would be remastered, and maybe add > extra tracks that were recorded but not released, and maybe stuff like "I > Love the Night" with all 3 verses (of course, I don't know exactly what Did they include Wings of Mercury on the CN remaster? I haven't seen it yet, but I'd buy it to get that song just for completeness sake. Not the greatest BOC tune, but as good as a lot of the stuff that DID make CN... > was originally recorded) and maybe some outtakes or something. To me > though, and Bolle and I disagree on this, I'd much rather have them > release stuff that hasn't been released, rather than releasing remasters > of stuff I've already got. > I agree, but I imagine I'd buy remasters anyway. Personally, I think it would be cool to hear such a project, though I think the production on the early albums is pretty great, esp. given the time frame in which they appeared, and the quality of other albums from around that time... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 18 08:38:42 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:38:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: ObCD Message-ID: Browsing through French rock mag _Les Inrockuptibles_ yesterday, amused to notice the word "obCD", used to mean an obsessive collector of CD's - in French, it sounds just like the word for "obsessed"... (I love _Les Inrocks_ - only a French rock mag would have a perfectly serious reference to Proust in the second paragraph of a Primal Scream review!) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 18 08:48:57 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:48:57 +0200 Subject: HW:Space Daze Message-ID: Hej from Denmark! I just wanted to encourage all the people who will be attending the SPACE DAZE festival to please go see Architechtural Metaphor and Alien Planetscapes! Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes or AP for short just sent me a tape of their recent CD recording sessions and this is awesome space rock music. The new guitar player has added a heavier element to the band and doug is totally over the top. The whole band is made up of great musicians who have played music for many years. I also have a new web page with a section dedicated to Arc Met. Check it out at: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 Please send me any comments you may have. The band contact for Arc met is not yet active as I have lost that info in the move. Sorry. scott Looking forward to BOC on august 9th! I already have my ticket. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 18 08:57:22 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:57:22 -0400 Subject: BOC remasters? Message-ID: >Did they include Wings of Mercury on the CN remaster? No, and the recent re-release of CN is as far as know NOT a remaster, it is just a "re-release" as the item had been deleted from Sony's catalog (as is Imaginos - they really ought to re-release that). >I agree, but I imagine I'd buy remasters anyway. Yep, me too. But I've gotten quite accustomed to the sound of my current BOC CDs, and while they are flawed in some ways, I love 'em anyway, and would be much more interested in getting stuff that I don't have onto CD. John From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Jul 18 10:59:42 1997 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:59:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Mass Pike Message-ID: Hey! Ok, I saw something BOC related yesterday that was kinda cool. I had just spent a week in Bar Harbor, Maine and was cruising westbound on the Mass Pike (I-90) towards the New York border around near Blandford, Mass. I was hot and very tired, and when I looked up and did a serious double take. There, in BRIGHT FLUORESCENT ORANGE paint on the side of a bridge going over I-90 were THREE perfectly painted (possibly stenciled) Blue Oyster Cult Symbols. At first I thought I was seeing things, that possibly the heat combined with that road-weary zombie mentality that settles in on long journeys was playing tricks with my brain. But as I got closer I could see them as plain as day. I wonder, has any other BOC-L member been through here and seen these? Or better yet, were these painted *BY* a BOC-L member? Or better yet, were these ancient symbols left here by extra-terrestrials? Perhaps after a long and tiring space journey they touched down to snag a refreshing big-gulp of Jolt Cola, maybe grabbing a can of Pringles too, to help crossing the sea of black pass a little easier? Perhaps I had the top down too long on the convertible yesterday on my 12 hour drive? Perhaps you don't really give a wet slap? Anyway, that's my story. Later folks. :^D Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net ***************************************************************** "Live for the present, its the only one we have, nobody gets out of here alive. Life in the future might never come to pass, you know, Good Times Are Now" ***************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 18 13:12:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:12:32 EDT Subject: BOC: Mass Pike Message-ID: > From: Torgo > Hey! > > Ok, I saw something BOC related yesterday that was kinda cool. I had just > spent a week in Bar Harbor, Maine and was cruising westbound on the Mass > Pike (I-90) towards the New York border around near Blandford, Mass. I was > hot and very tired, and when I looked up and did a serious double take. > > There, in BRIGHT FLUORESCENT ORANGE paint on the side of a bridge going > over I-90 were THREE perfectly painted (possibly stenciled) Blue Oyster > Cult Symbols. At first I thought I was seeing things, that possibly the > heat combined with that road-weary zombie mentality that settles in on long > journeys was playing tricks with my brain. But as I got closer I could see > them as plain as day. > > I wonder, has any other BOC-L member been through here and seen these? Or > better yet, were these painted *BY* a BOC-L member? Or better yet, were > these ancient symbols left here by extra-terrestrials? Perhaps after a long > and tiring space journey they touched down to snag a refreshing big-gulp of > Jolt Cola, maybe grabbing a can of Pringles too, to help crossing the sea > of black pass a little easier? Perhaps I had the top down too long on the > convertible yesterday on my 12 hour drive? Perhaps you don't really give a > wet slap? > > Anyway, that's my story. Later folks. :^D > > > Torgo has left the building...... Torgo, You would really have been hallucinating if you'd seen 3OC last week. We could've used your presence at that one. Formulaic show, I guess, but still a gas to see the Oysters any time you can. Anyone seen any word of additional gigs in the northeast? theo From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jul 18 16:25:24 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:25:24 -0400 Subject: FW: Mass Pike Message-ID: >There, in BRIGHT FLUORESCENT ORANGE paint on the side of a bridge going >over I-90 were THREE perfectly painted (possibly stenciled) Blue Oyster >Cult Symbols. At first I thought I was seeing things, that possibly the >heat combined with that road-weary zombie mentality that settles in on long >journeys was playing tricks with my brain. But as I got closer I could see >them as plain as day. >I wonder, has any other BOC-L member been through here and seen these? Or >better yet, were these painted *BY* a BOC-L member? I confess, I did it. I put one Cult symbol there each time I was told that there was a new BOC album coming out..... Just kidding.... From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 18 16:38:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:38:04 -0600 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: >Anyway, I hope the catalog would be remastered, and maybe add extra tracks that were recorded but not released, and maybe stuff like "I Love the Night" with all 3 verses (of course, I don't know exactly what was originally recorded) and maybe some outtakes or something. To me though, and Bolle and I disagree on this, I'd much rather have them release stuff that hasn't been released, rather than releasing remasters of stuff I've already got. Oh, and to answer your question, I guess I don't know if there will be BOC remasters... >John I'd like a little of both please. Remastered T&M, BOC, ST Feet Knees, AOF, Specters and CE. It would help if they added some additional never before stuff but how much of this did Columbia ever have. Granted we got some demos on WoTT but there can't be much more left in the vualts. Do artist royalties ever stop on sales? By this I mean did/does the standard recording contract give artist a a royalty based on a number of times a song is sold before all revenues go to the record company? If so maybe we will never see remasters if Sony has to share the proceeds with the bands. They'd have to sell a ton of copies just to cover the cost of remastering, pressing and distribution. Add the artist share to these costs and Sonmy probably begs off unless they license someone else to take the risk. BTW thanks guys for the help on the Chronicles. I finally timed out no.1, added Wings Wetted Down and Feet version of Hot Rails and it will fit a 90 min tape. On to C-2 and C-3. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jul 18 16:51:36 1997 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:51:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Griffen releases Message-ID: There seems to be a fire sale on Griffen products, I just picked up for $5.99 each at the local record town the following: Psychedelic Warlords - White Zone Hawkwind - Live 79 Friends and relations - the rarities also saw avail: Hawkwind - the independent years but didnt pick it up Good Hunting From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Jul 18 17:18:21 1997 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:18:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL discussion Message-ID: Hi: How do I find out when the BOC discussions go off within AOL? IE is there a keyword or listing for these events more than a day ahead of time? thanx Mike From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 18 17:25:19 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:25:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL discussion Message-ID: The BOC discussion/monthly chats usually happen the first or second Tuesday of the month and they are held in the Musicspace Nightclub. You can get their from the Music Messaging Cenetr ortype in Musicspace or Nightclub, I think for the keyword. The chats are two hours, I believe it is 10:00 pm easter to midnight. See ya there... Teri BTW...I have rumor there may be another venue for BOC chats in the near future, after August the first 1892. And BOC ON LINE has cahts most every Sunday eve around 8 easter, but don't quote me on that. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Jul 18 17:32:56 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:32:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL discussion Message-ID: Mike, The BOC chat's are supposed to be on the first Tuesday of the month from 10PM to 12AM. This past month there was a mix up and some us chatted on July first AND the 8th. The best thing to do is to check the NightClub schedule when August comes out. chuck From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 17 16:38:53 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:38:53 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND POSTERS/MAGIC MUSHROOM BAND ETC FOR SALE Message-ID: Greetings... I'll bid 25 american for each of the following: >hawkind - love and peace poster BIDS >hawkind / man - 1999 gig poster BIDS >hawkwind - astrounding sounds tour poster 1976 BIDS >hawkwind/pink fairies round house gig poster BIDS >mike moorcock - new worlds fair poster BIDS Please let me know how the bidding goes... Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jul 18 22:24:25 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:24:25 -0400 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: Adrian R. Brevard wrote: > Granted we got some demos on WoTT... Huh? Did I miss something? From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jul 18 22:26:15 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:26:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL discussion Message-ID: Teri wrote: > I believe it is 10:00 pm easter to midnight....I have rumor there may be another venue for BOC chats in the near future, after August the first 1892. And BOC ON LINE has cahts most every Sunday eve around 8 easter, but don't quote me on that.< Teri, I'm too late for 1892 and I can't wait until Easter! :-) From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Sat Jul 19 00:12:14 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:12:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOL discussion Message-ID: LOL...My new keyboards are really kicking, but I am so used to hitting keys twice that the typos I have had are hilarious! I meant to say "Eastern"...and the August the first 1892, really is this August the first, 1987, but guess I thought the die hards would know what I mean! On your feet or on your keys! See ya, Teri From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jul 19 11:47:53 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:47:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: In a message dated 97-07-15 11:29:04 EDT, you write: << Hi folks Received today the long awaited Love in Space promo single CD. A great one!! Love In Space is good Lord Of Light is very good Sonic Attac is EXCELLENT cheers Bernhard this is true bernhard - nice disc!!!!! From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sat Jul 19 14:03:54 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:03:54 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 In-Reply-To: <970717194552_377098902@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Jul 17, 97 07:45:54 pm Message-ID: so are there any other US dates in the offing? NYC may be workable for me, but if anyone knows of the possibility of a gig in Philly... please post or just email me directly (i'd certainly be willing to help out with distributing flyers, stuffing envelopes, drinking beer before the gig...) BTW where is Coney Island High in nyc (on Coney Island as the name suggests? what's the best way to get there from penn station or grand central (ie midtown manhatten) cheers dave From micci at SCI.FI Sun Jul 20 04:43:02 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:43:02 +0300 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: > Received today the long awaited Love in Space promo single CD. > Hi! Well, I tryed to get this, but they never answer me. :-( Miikka From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jul 20 10:06:32 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 16:06:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: Hello Miikka At 11:43 20.07.97 +0300, you wrote: >Well, I tryed to get this, but they never answer me. :-( Check the following address: http://www.hawkwind.com/lis-offer.htm Bernhard From nexus at PANIX.COM Sun Jul 20 11:07:57 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:07:57 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 In-Reply-To: <199707191803.OAA17570@pobox.upenn.edu> from "dave cohen" at Jul 19, 97 02:03:54 pm Message-ID: > BTW where is Coney Island High in nyc (on Coney Island as > the name suggests? what's the best way to get there > from penn station or grand central (ie midtown manhatten) You've probably already been contacted, but CIH is actually on St. Mark's Place in Manhattan. The best way to get there from Penn is to walk over on 34 to Broadway and catch the N/R downtown to Astor Place/8th St. Get off and walk East. It's about a half a block up on St. Marks >From Grand Central catch a green train (4/5/6, I don't remember exactly which) and again get off at Astor Place/8th. That puts you about a block further east than the N/R. JB From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Jul 20 15:11:55 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:11:55 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: Hello: After looking at the pictures contained within the booklets that came along with the remaster SR, I have a few questions. 1) In the booklet with the story, there is a picture above the lyrics for 7x7 which has Nik Turner next to someone else playing guitar. This person looks nothing at all like Dave, so who is it? 2)In the other booklet, on the first page which has the quote "flying is trying is dying", on the pic at the bottom. Who is pictured here, exactly? Mainly, who are the two people next to Nik (to his left)? Also, I thought Nik was the only person who played a wind or brass instrument...why is the man on the far left playing one? Is this the swazzle that has been mentioned previously? 3) Does anyone notice the slower pace and lack of energy in the "Master of the Universe" bonus track? Why is this version so much worse and less-blanga-ed than the one originally included on the disc? 4) Lastly, is it Bob singing "Born To Go"? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 21 06:41:01 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:41:01 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Q's In-Reply-To: Ian R Fines's message of Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: Ian R Fines writes: > Hello: > > After looking at the pictures contained within the booklets that came > along with the remaster SR, I have a few questions. can't really answer the other questions until I've checked the booklets but: > 3) Does anyone notice the slower pace and lack of energy in the "Master > of the Universe" bonus track? Why is this version so much worse and > less-blanga-ed than the one originally included on the disc? > >From the codex - Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Live '70/'73 2 X In Search of Space 2 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a US double 7" EP L 3 Orgasmatron L 4 Greasy Trucker's Party L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 4 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 4 Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] <<<<<<< L 5 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 5 Space Rock from London L 5 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 6 Space Ritual Alive <<<<<<< L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Early Daze L 7 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 8 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 9 Live '79 L 10 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 11 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 12 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 12 Ironstrike L 12 Castle Masters Collection L 12 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 12 The Hawkwind Collection L 12 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 12 Night Riding L 12 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 12 Acid Daze Vol. I L 12 Best of Hawkwind L 12 Space Is Deep L 12 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) (Masters of the Universe) L 12 Hawkwind: Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 13 Live Chronicles L 13 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 14 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 14 Assassins of Allah LP L 14 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 15 Live At Reading '86 L 16 Undisclosed Files [LP Only] L 17 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 18 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 2a is a cut version of 2 >>>> * versions 4 and 6 both feature on the remastered Space Ritual Alive 2CD * 5a is a remixed version of 5 * 6a is a different mix from 6 * there are two versions of Masters of the Universe on Assassins of Allah LP and Dawn of Hawkwind CD As you will see - version 4 is the original first-time-ever-officially- recorded-live version of MotU which was the one done at the Greasy Truckers gig. This is the gig which made the band famous (in effect) since the original Silver Machine was recorded here too. MotU isn't *that* bad - what it lacks in 'blanga' it makes up for in laid-backness, which is how things were then..... Listen to the In Search of Space track! 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Jul 21 07:23:00 1997 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:23:00 +0100 Subject: HW Dave Brock. Kris Taits site Message-ID: Helppppp I've lost the address of the Hawkwind site offering the robot and mixing desk, any pointers? Andy begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C<+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 at 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`- $```$````,`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````40`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$)/0R](87=K=VEN9"!$:7-C=7-S:6]N M($QI`' ``0```!\```!(5R!$879E($)R M;V-K+B!+4!C;VUP=71I;F"21( VP2!P;PN 'M 1 MX-8_(&\?P$$CP'D@1M['JT6P0(`+2 ````#`! 0``````,` M$1 `````0 `',/ UD6/(E;P!0 `(,/ UD6/(E;P!'@`]``$````!```````` +``,`#33]-P``XJ,U ` end From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 21 07:56:54 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:56:54 EDT Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Do artist royalties ever stop on sales? By this I mean did/does the > standard recording contract give artist a a royalty based on a number of > times a song is sold before all revenues go to the record company? If > so maybe we will never see remasters if Sony has to share the proceeds > with the bands. They'd have to sell a ton of copies just to cover the > cost of remastering, pressing and distribution. Add the artist share to > these costs and Sonmy probably begs off unless they license someone else > to take the risk. I'm not sure about how this works. I believe Sony 'owns' most of the BOC catalog. Not sure how this impacts the band. Sounds to me like the band essentially signed off on most of the songs. I was told by someone, that the band still owns the songs on CC, hence the desire to re-record them without having to share with Sony. Sony may have given them a lump payment for the material. Al would know if anyone would, and he could explain the machinations of the music biz better than I can. If Sony does have full rights to the catalog [or most of it] then they could indeed issue remasters and make some money off it. I don't know how expensive a process this is, or if there is a sufficient market out there to support such a project. But given the way Sony has been releasing re-masters lately [c.f. the Byrds catalog, which includes lots of new material, alternate takes, etc, BTW] then I suspect that it must be a cost-effective enough operation even if they don't sell millions of product. MHO only... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 21 07:57:56 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:57:56 EDT Subject: FW: Mass Pike Message-ID: >> From: "Joseph M. Lofft" > > >I wonder, has any other BOC-L member been through here and seen these? Or > >better yet, were these painted *BY* a BOC-L member? > > I confess, I did it. I put one Cult symbol there each time I was told that there > was a new BOC album coming out..... > > Just kidding.... If that's the case, there should be a lot more than 3 of them painted on there! theo From asg at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jul 21 08:12:07 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:12:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: Leaving the list Message-ID: Hey folks, just letting you know I'm unsubscribing. But fear not, I shall be back ! I'm just in the process of moving (to the States ! *grin*) but as soon as I'm settled and have a new provider, I'll subscribe back on. Should be sometime in September. For those who might need to reach me between now and September, you can use icarus at pelnet.com or rockprog at geocities.com. Might take me a while to read & answer your message (depending where I am when you send it ;-) but it'll be saved until I can check my mail... Farewell, my friends ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 21 08:13:27 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:13:27 +0100 Subject: HW Dave Brock. Kris Taits site In-Reply-To: Andy C's message of Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: Andy C writes: > Helppppp > > I've lost the address of the Hawkwind site offering > the robot and mixing desk, any pointers? > > Andy > try: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ If you've bookmarked it then it might just appear as Index in your bookmarks! Leastways mine, for some wierd reason, does... jill obScure> the Liquid Rooms in Edinburgh.... huh? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 21 08:17:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:17:33 EDT Subject: OFF: Leaving the list Message-ID: From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Hey folks, just letting you know I'm unsubscribing. But fear not, I shall be > back ! I'm just in the process of moving (to the States ! *grin*) but as > soon as I'm settled and have a new provider, I'll subscribe back on. Should > be sometime in September. > > > Farewell, my friends ! > > Alex S. Garcia. > Hurry back, dude! theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 21 09:35:31 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 07:35:31 -0600 Subject: The Usual Suspects / C-1 Setlist Draft Message-ID: Torgo said>Hey! >Ok, I saw something BOC related yesterday that was kinda cool. I had just >spent a week in Bar Harbor, Maine and was cruising westbound on the >Mass Pike (I-90) towards the New York border around near Blandford, >Mass. I was hot and very tired, and when I looked up and did a serious >double take. >There, in BRIGHT FLUORESCENT ORANGE paint on the side of a bridge >going over I-90 were THREE perfectly painted (possibly stenciled) Blue >Oyster Cult Symbols. At first I thought I was seeing things, that possibly >the heat combined with that road-weary zombie mentality that settles in on >long journeys was playing tricks with my brain. But as I got closer I could >see them as plain as day. Howls, bet that was a sight. Torgo said>I wonder, has any other BOC-L member been through here and seen these? Or better yet, were these painted *BY* a BOC-L member? Lets round up the usual suspects. Rudich lives in Mass and is capable of such artistry. However I doubt if he would have resisted the urge to splash a little HW up there that night. Ah - ha John Swartz is also a Mass resident. Perhaps it was one of those ultra rare occassions where he had a few Corona's in him after seeing "3OC". Fess up John. 8>). Anyway I scratched out a potential setlist and order for Chronicles I. 100 min tape. Side - A Stairway to the Stars Cagey Cretins O.D. 'd on Life Itself Baby Ice Dog Career of Evil She's as Beautiful as a Foot Last Days of May (studio) Wings Wetted Down Teen Archer Transmaniacon MC On the Lamb (But I Ain't no Sheep) Redeemed Dominance and Submission (The Al way) Side B Flaming Telepaths (live set) Subhuman Hot Rails to Hell Buck's Boogie Cities on Flame ME 262 Astronomy (SEE version) L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 21 09:49:35 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:49:35 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: Hi Bill, Good to hear from you, especially with such good news. First of all thanks for organizing another HW gig! Its a long road trip from AL, so the extra show makes it all the better. Several of us will be traveling in a van, pulling a pop-up camper. What tips can you give me about where to park safely. Also directions to the venue and any other tips would be appreciated. I'd suggest we hookup before the show and get stoked, but I'm sure you'll be busy doing whatever it is promoting a HW show. (puff, here ya go Ron :). hope to hear from you soon, -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Stewart [SMTP:Stewartbas at AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 6:46 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 > > Hawkwind will be playing in NYC on Fri Aug 29 at Coney Island High. > Hansel > und Gretel will also be on the bill. The club has a full BAR. The > show is > being produced by Coney Island High, Eli Freedman, and yours truly. > Transport to the Festival the following day can be arranged. For > more > details contact me at stewartbas at aol.com > > regards, > Bill Stewart From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 21 09:59:15 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:59:15 -0500 Subject: off: RE: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: yikes, my mistake that was intended to be a private message! blue Monday, -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jul 21 10:38:32 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:38:32 +0300 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: >Hello Miikka > > >At 11:43 20.07.97 +0300, you wrote: >>Well, I tryed to get this, but they never answer me. :-( > Bernhard >Check the following address: > >http://www.hawkwind.com/lis-offer.htm > > Hi! Yes, I send letter in that address what is in that pages, but never get answer Miikka From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 21 10:45:45 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:45:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo single CD Message-ID: >Yes, I send letter in that address what is in that pages, but never get answer Did you read the part that said: "The first 500 promo versions of the EP are to be made available to Internet fans and fanzines. The offer is on a first-come-first-served basis"? Maybe you were number 501... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 21 11:39:45 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:39:45 +0200 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: Hi Ian At 15:11 20.07.97 -0400, you wrote: >1) In the booklet with the story, there is a picture above the lyrics for >7x7 which has Nik Turner next to someone else playing guitar. This >person looks nothing at all like Dave, so who is it? Looks like Carlos Santana ;-)) To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar >2)In the other booklet, on the first page which has the quote "flying is >trying is dying", on the pic at the bottom. Who is pictured here, >exactly? Mainly, who are the two people next to Nik (to his left)? The person next to Nik is Rob Calvert >Also, I thought Nik was the only person who played a wind or brass >instrument...why is the man on the far left playing one? Is this the >swazzle that has been mentioned previously? This person is (could be) Del Dettmar >4) Lastly, is it Bob singing "Born To Go"? No, Nik and Dave Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 21 11:56:24 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:56:24 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: >To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar It's hard to count the strings in that picture, but I think that might be an 8-string bass? And you're right - while it doesn't look like Lemmy at first glance, if you compare with the picture at the end of the booklet (just above the colour group shot), I think it probably is. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Mon Jul 21 16:15:02 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:15:02 EDT Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: Spacemen! (And Spacewomen!) I'm looking for some recommendations for some of the Hawkwind offshoot bands, especially those on the Cleopatra label. I've sampled a few, and while I've found some goodies (Spiral Realms), I've also been stung (Nik Turner's _Sphynx_). Just for more background, Melting Euphoria's _Upon the Solar Winds_ didn't do much for me, and I think that if you've heard a couple of Ozric Tentacles CDs, then there's no need to buy their entire catalog (I have _Pungent Effulgent_ and _Strangeitude_). I haven't met a Hawkwind CD that I didn't like, except for _The White Zone_. I have over 50 Tangerine Dream CDs. Based on what I've heard on Cleopatra's _Space Box_ set, I'm tempted to pick up these: _The Eternal Sky_ by the Anubian Lights _Explaining the Unexplained_ by Pressurehed something by Helios Creed or Chrome something by F/i (where can I get their CDs) (I'm especially interested in the Anubian Lights CD, as it is available in a local store.) I don't want to end up with something like _Sphynx_, which did little for me (largely due to Turner's vocals), or anything too industrial (I get the impression that the earlier releases by Pressurehed and Helios Creed fall under that category). Also, what Darxtar CD should I start with? MWood NP: _Stained Glass Stories_ - Cathedral PS: One more thank you for all the replies I received regarding my HW EMI remasters questions. I just came back from the RPM Records WWW site, where I ordered ISoS, Doremi, and HotMG. I just hope that they can get all of them... From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 21 08:31:15 1997 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:31:15 +0100 Subject: HW Dave Brock. Kris Taits site In-Reply-To: <199707211213.NAA26894@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199707211213.NAA26894 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes > >try: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > >If you've bookmarked it then it might just appear as Index in your >bookmarks! Leastways mine, for some wierd reason, does... > Mine too. Its just that the HTML tag is used to name the bookmark and in this case, the title is "Index". If your browser supports it, edit the bookmark and change the name - it wont affect accessing the page. From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Jul 21 17:20:07 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:20:07 -0400 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <MON.21.JUL.1997.172007.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:56:24 +0100 Andrew Gilham <Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM> writes: >>To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar > >It's hard to count the strings in that picture, but I think that might >be >an 8-string bass? Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 21 18:10:00 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:10:00 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <MON.21.JUL.1997.231000.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >>an 8-string bass? >Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell >on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the >width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. I'm sure the bloke in Mournblade said he had one... or maybe that was a bass-player's joke? I imagined that it would work like a 12-string guitar? Oh well. But I think I know what fooled me: it looks as if there's 4 tuning knobs on the top of the head of the instrument, and at least 2 on the bottom - but on closer inspection, half of them are shadows! - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jul 21 20:49:43 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:49:43 -0000 Subject: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.004943.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Spacemen! (And Spacewomen!) > > I'm looking for some recommendations for some of the Hawkwind > offshoot bands, especially those on the Cleopatra label. I've > sampled a few, and while I've found some goodies (Spiral Realms), > I've also been stung (Nik Turner's _Sphynx_). Just for more > background, Melting Euphoria's _Upon the Solar Winds_ didn't > do much for me, and I think that if you've heard a couple of > Ozric Tentacles CDs, then there's no need to buy their entire > catalog (I have _Pungent Effulgent_ and _Strangeitude_). I > haven't met a Hawkwind CD that I didn't like, except for _The > White Zone_. I have over 50 Tangerine Dream CDs. > > Based on what I've heard on Cleopatra's _Space Box_ set, I'm > tempted to pick up these: > > _The Eternal Sky_ by the Anubian Lights > _Explaining the Unexplained_ by Pressurehed > something by Helios Creed or Chrome Pick up Helios Creed's "Lactating Purple" and "Planet X" on the Amrep label - really good stuff, a sort brilliant of punk-spacerock. The only other releases I have of Helios Creed are "Kiss To The Brain" and "Cosmic Assault" which are okay, the latter a more industrial-ish affair....... Anubian Lights are also decent, in full esoteric egyptian groove..... There's alot of Cleopatra stuff with tinny sound and crap artwork for some reasons... with exceptions. > (I'm especially interested in the Anubian Lights CD, as it is > available in a local store.) Worth picking up....... > I don't want to end up with something like _Sphynx_, which did > little for me (largely due to Turner's vocals), or anything > too industrial (I get the impression that the earlier releases > by Pressurehed and Helios Creed fall under that category). Again, it depends on taste. Helios Creed is great stuff, and the original Sphynx from '78 is excellent esoteric cosmic spacerock with various Gong members.... Not too sure about the remake which I haven't heard, or Pressurehed for that matter. Turner's "Phrophets Of Time" is bloody awful, but "Past Or Future" is EXCELLENT. **Great** spacepunkfuzzboogie of HW/Calvert/Anubian material. Sometimes Turner's vocals work well when he veers into punkrock. Also, amazing CD design.... I hear Turner's "Space Ritual" is good, but I don't have it...... yet!! > Also, what Darxtar CD should I start with? I only have two, "Daybreak" and "Sju". I'm not sure I'd recommend the first, but "Sju" is definetly worth checking out. > PS: One more thank you for all the replies I received > regarding my HW EMI remasters questions. I just > came back from the RPM Records WWW site, where I > ordered ISoS, Doremi, and HotMG. I just hope that > they can get all of them... Ah, the best way to keep that wallet nice and trim is with Hawkwind...... Christian From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Jul 21 20:48:56 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:48:56 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: <MON.21.JUL.1997.204856.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Several of us will be traveling in a van, pulling a pop-up camper. > What > tips can you give me about where to park safely. Also directions to > the venue and any other tips would be appreciated. I'd suggest we > hookup before the show and get stoked, but I'm sure you'll be busy > doing whatever it is promoting a HW show. (puff, here ya go Ron :). ron who? tree doesn't smoke. anything. safe parking? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! with a pull pop-up? hohohohohohohohohoho! forget it. you might find parking, and you might not get ripped off or towed. of course, your rig MIGHT survive the trip thru the streets of manhattan. i doubt it tho. i've driven there, and am damn glad i rented the vehicle instead of driving my own. seriously, doug. i hope to meet you there. my folks live near b'ham, (leeds/moody), and it would be nice to talk. rj From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Jul 21 20:50:15 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:50:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Leaving the list Message-ID: <MON.21.JUL.1997.205015.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> what part o' da states, andy? rj Alex S. Garcia wrote: > Hey folks, just letting you know I'm unsubscribing. But fear not, I > shall be > back ! I'm just in the process of moving (to the States ! *grin*) but > as > soon as I'm settled and have a new provider, I'll subscribe back on. > Should > be sometime in September. > > For those who might need to reach me between now and September, you > can use > icarus at pelnet.com or rockprog at geocities.com. Might take me a while to > read & > answer your message (depending where I am when you send it ;-) but > it'll be > saved until I can check my mail... > > Farewell, my friends ! > > Alex S. Garcia. > > --------------------------------------------------- > Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ > --------------------------------------------------- From asg at IMAGINET.FR Mon Jul 21 22:03:45 1997 From: asg at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:03:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Leaving the list Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.040345.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >what part o' da states, andy? >rj Wisconsin *smile* At least for the moment. I'll probably move down more to the south later. We'll see. Alex S. Garcia P.S. For any further mail, please write to me via private e-mail. I'm unsubscribing tonight, so I won't see any other message posted to the list. See ya all in September ! --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 22 02:16:55 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:16:55 +0100 Subject: HW: SR Q's In-Reply-To: <19970721.173108.12254.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.071655.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Ian R Fines relied to Andrew Gilham: ><Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM> writes: >>>To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar >> >>It's hard to count the strings in that picture, but I think that might >>be >>an 8-string bass? > >Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell >on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the >width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. > There certainly have been such things, on the same principle as the 12-string guitar. I haven't seen one in about twenty years, but I guess that's the age of the photos ;-{)> BTW: How many strings does a Chapman Stick have? ;-{)> I have also come across 9-, 8-, 7- & 5-string guitars in the hands of such diverse players as Mick Abrahams, Keith Richards & Steve Vai. Regards, ChrisW ObLP: Jack Bruce - Harmony Row ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 07:33:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:33:37 EDT Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.073337.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Chris Warburton <desdinova at EARTHLING.NET> > Ian R Fines relied to Andrew Gilham: > ><Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM> writes: > >>>To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar > >> > >>It's hard to count the strings in that picture, but I think that might > >>be > >>an 8-string bass? > > > >Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell > >on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the > >width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. > > > > There certainly have been such things, on the same principle as the > 12-string guitar. I haven't seen one in about twenty years, but I guess > that's the age of the photos ;-{)> > > BTW: How many strings does a Chapman Stick have? ;-{)> > > I have also come across 9-, 8-, 7- & 5-string guitars in the hands of such > diverse players as Mick Abrahams, Keith Richards & Steve Vai. > > Regards, > ChrisW Tom Peterson of Cheap Trick plays a 12-string BASS on a regular basis... The Stick I'm not sure of, but at least 8. I think they come in various configurations... theo From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Jul 22 08:32:30 1997 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:32:30 +1000 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.223230.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 04:15 PM 21/07/97 EDT, Marshall Wood wrote: >Spacemen! (And Spacewomen!) > >I don't want to end up with something like _Sphynx_, which did >little for me (largely due to Turner's vocals), or anything >too industrial (I get the impression that the earlier releases >by Pressurehed and Helios Creed fall under that category). I think you MUST get Nik's "Past or Future?". It is spacerock. (Or at least his Space Ritual 1994). > >Also, what Darxtar CD should I start with? Perhaps Sju or Darker. Troy =========================================== Troy Harris PO Box 18 Mornington, Victoria, Australia , 3931 +61-3-5975-0706 fiskare at webconcept.com.au tlh at rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 22 13:11:56 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:11:56 BST Subject: HW: New LiS lyrics Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.131156.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just decoded the added lyrics for LiS from the EP. Something to add to your lyrics files. Love In Space ------------- Love in space I dream of you Love in space I scream to you Love in space I cry for you Love in space I fly to you Drifting in our capsule through icy mist The ship of dreams sails on Love in space I dream of you Love in space I plead for you Love in space I sigh for you Love in space I die for you They say there's life out there in the galaxy Our worlds in collision, it could be a fallacy It's no use sending rockets into space Hoping to meet a superior race Most of our problems are here on Earth Our planet's still living, it's our place of birth From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 22 08:35:03 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:35:03 -0400 Subject: The Usual Suspects / C-1 Setlist Draft Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.083503.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Lets round up the usual suspects. Rudich lives in Mass and is capable of such artistry. However I doubt if he would have resisted the urge to splash a little HW up there that night. Ah - ha John Swartz is also a Mass resident. Perhaps it was one of those ultra rare occassions where he had a few Corona's in him after seeing "3OC". Fess up John. 8>). Demonic chuckle here. Well, I DO have a stencil of the BOC symbol . . . Alas, I can't claim the credit for this one, but if ever I can't sleep in the middle of the night (fat chance on that - just ask my wife), I think I might be tempted to do some highway decordating . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 22 08:39:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:39:31 -0400 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.083931.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> Granted we got some demos on WoTT... >Huh? Did I miss something? Well, I think Adrian is referring to the "Bootleg EP" material - which was previously unreleased promo stuff (although Buck's Boogie was on the "Guitars that Destroyed the World" album), not demo stuff. But didn't ya know? If you put on the first CD of WOTT in your player upside down, you can hear both the SWU/SFG demos in their entirety, while putting disc 2 upside down yields all the tracks of "Ezekiel's Wheel"! ;-) John PS: Has anyone ever tried putting a CD upside down in their player? What happens? I hear that if you microwave them, they make pretty sparks before bursting into flames . . . From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Jul 21 17:40:37 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:40:37 CDT Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <MON.21.JUL.1997.164037.CDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have to disagree with the no 8-string bass assertion: Chris Squire of Yes has used 8-strings on the last few tours (I can't vouch for what he used during the 70's, though). Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, July 21, 1997 4:39 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: SR Q's On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:56:24 +0100 Andrew Gilham <Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM> writes: >>To be serious: It could be Lemmy, playing guitar > >It's hard to count the strings in that picture, but I think that might >be >an 8-string bass? Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 22 09:04:55 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:04:55 -0600 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.070455.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Theo said>If Sony does have full rights to the catalog [or most of it] then they could indeed issue remasters and make some money off it. I don't know how expensive a process this is, or if there is a sufficient market out there to support such a project. But given the way Sony has been releasing re-masters lately [c.f. the Byrds catalog, which includes lots of new material, alternate takes, etc, BTW] then I suspect that it must be a cost-effective enough operation even if they don't sell millions of product. MHO only... Understood. Still if they had to pay the band royalties for this then thats just more on the cost side of the ledger. I think that unless Sony thought they would make TONS of money they will not bother with the project. Years ago after they had stopped playing, Mike Levine purchased the rights to all of Triumph's catalog. Each disc was remastered and reissued. Levine even played around somewhat with the track listings, hence two different titles called "Rock n' Roll Machine." Now all sales on the TRC label go directly to his pockets. Seeing the BOC catalog in Al or Buck's hands would be wonderful. Remaster and repackage (with lyrics) and perhaps add a demo or other song to each as a bonus. Off topic: Its official, King's X joins fellow rockers Galactic Cowboys on the Metal Blade label. Three album deal. Kewl. In addition, the new Savatage is invading soon. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome From nexus at PANIX.COM Tue Jul 22 09:32:40 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:32:40 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <199707212013.QAA02652@listserv.spc.edu> from "Marshall Wood" at Jul 21, 97 04:15:02 pm Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.093240.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >(I'm especially interested in the Anubian Lights CD, as it is >available in a local store.) >I don't want to end up with something like _Sphynx_, which did >little for me (largely due to Turner's vocals), or anything >too industrial (I get the impression that the earlier releases >by Pressurehed and Helios Creed fall under that category). Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream occasionally sitting in? I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 09:40:57 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:40:57 EDT Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.094057.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." <abrevard at SHL.COM> > Theo said>If Sony does have full rights to the catalog [or most of it] > then > they could indeed issue remasters and make some money off it. I > don't know how expensive a process this is, or if there is a > sufficient market out there to support such a project. But given the > way Sony has been releasing re-masters lately [c.f. the Byrds > catalog, which includes lots of new material, alternate takes, etc, > BTW] then I suspect that it must be a cost-effective enough operation > even if they don't sell millions of product. MHO only... > > Understood. Still if they had to pay the band royalties for this then > thats just more on the cost side of the ledger. I think that unless > Sony thought they would make TONS of money they will not bother with the I know what your saying, that's why I can't understand them doing this with the Byrds catalog. How much do they figure on making off that project? Are there that many more Byrds fans out there than BOC fans? Maybe Sony owns everything contained on the Byrds stuff. Interestingly enough, about the only Byrds stuff not remastered is Untitled. Maybe 'cause it's half live stuff? Maybe Sony doesn't own rights to that material? I have no way of knowing. Bur in any case, the Byrds remastered project is a real quality operation, e.g. new, expanded liner notes and photos, all original artwork, extra cuts and alternative takes. If they did this kind of thing with BOC, BOC-L would melt the ethernet wires, I expect!... > project. Years ago after they had stopped playing, Mike Levine purchased > the rights to all of Triumph's catalog. Each disc was remastered and > reissued. Levine even played around somewhat with the track listings, > hence two different titles called "Rock n' Roll Machine." Now all sales Wonder how good an investment that deal wound up being for him? A lot of Triumph's material has been languishing in the cutout bins around here for quite a while, and I live only a few hours away from Toronto. Granted Syracuse is a shit town for supporting any music other than Blues [maybe the horrible weather makes them blues fans?] though BOC always did great here in their heyday [we're only about 5 hours from NYC--maybe that's why 3OC still hits the area fairly regularly?]... > on the TRC label go directly to his pockets. Seeing the BOC catalog in > Al or Buck's hands would be wonderful. Remaster and repackage (with > lyrics) and perhaps add a demo or other song to each as a bonus. > > Off topic: Its official, King's X joins fellow rockers Galactic Cowboys > on the Metal Blade label. Three album deal. Kewl. In addition, the > new Savatage is invading soon. > > lil' ab > When can we expect an album from KX? And what's Ty's solo disc like, BTW? And why hasn't BOC hooked up with CMC, a really cool label that has no problem making deals with other Dino bands, and even put out this year's Summerdaze disc? Ya gotta wonder what's up with 3OC's management. If ever a band was tailor-made for a label, this is it... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 22 10:03:36 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:03:36 +0100 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.150336.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >PS: Has anyone ever tried putting a CD upside down in their player? What >happens? Nothing much. - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Jul 22 10:26:22 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:26:22 -0400 Subject: BOC Remasters Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.102622.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> John sez... PS: Has anyone ever tried putting a CD upside down in their player? What happens? I hear that if you microwave them, they make pretty sparks before bursting into flames . . . Yeah, I put a CD in my player upside down once. The disk spins and after a couple of times of trying to read the TOC, the display flashes this cute li'l "ERROR" light. Good thing it isn't like a computer and spits out an error message that reads something like "DISK INSERTED WRONG. OPERATOR SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED WITH ANYTHING SHARPER THAN A RUBBER BALL." Never nuked a CD, though. I can think of a couple that I would have liked to, though... But I don't want to zonk my microwave just to watch a lightshow... obCDPlayer: Bigelf / CLOSER TO DOOM (Think of early Deep Purple sound, with Ozzy on lead vox, TONS of vintage keys (there are at least 6 different Mellotrons on the cover!) with a little Uriah Heep thrown in for Spice ;-) and there ya' go. Too bad it is only 25 minutes long (short). Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jul 22 09:58:25 1997 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:58:25 +0300 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.165825.0300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> >>Also, what Darxtar CD should I start with? >Troy wrote: > Perhaps Sju or Darker. > Hi! Well, Darker is great but unfortunately it?s sold out and it?s very hard to get these days. I personally really like Daybreak. Of course there is Dark Sun and they magnificent cd (atleast if you ask me or Henrik about it) call Feed Your Mind. Miikka From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Jul 22 11:33:10 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:33:10 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.103310.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:48:56 -0400 Ron Jennings <sprawl at STARLINX.COM> wrote: >> ...hookup before the show and get stoked, but I'm sure you'll be busy >> doing whatever it is promoting a HW show. (puff, here ya go Ron :). > >ron who? tree doesn't smoke. anything. hm? I don't know about Ron's smoking in particular, but I've been told he tends to enjoy, um, other pick-him-ups. Damon From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Jul 22 11:34:33 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:34:33 -0700 Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.083433.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >>Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell >on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the >>width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. >> >There certainly have been such things, on the same principle as the 12-string guitar. I haven't seen one in about twenty years, but I guess that's the >age of the photos ;-{)> Hagstrom (from Sweden) made an 8-string bass in the '60's. I think it was tuned like a 12-string guitar. Chris ObCD: MX-80 _Out of Control_ (reissue of this Ralph band's 2nd and 3rd LP's - brilliant!) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jul 22 11:46:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:46:00 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND NYC AUG29 In-Reply-To: DAMON CAPEHART's mail of Tue, 22 Jul 97 10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.164600.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 22 Jul 16:33, DAMON CAPEHART wrote: > hm? I don't know about Ron's smoking in particular, but I've been told he > tends to enjoy, um, other pick-him-ups. And sometimes you have to, um, pick-him-up afterwards? There is always the story of Lemmy being held up by a roadie while he played... Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jul 22 11:54:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:54:00 +0100 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's mail of Mon, 21 Jul 97 16:15 -0600 Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.165400.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 21 Jul 23:15, Marshall Wood wrote: > I've also been stung (Nik Turner's _Sphynx_). Just for more > background, Melting Euphoria's _Upon the Solar Winds_ didn't > do much for me, and I think that if you've heard a couple of > Ozric Tentacles CDs, then there's no need to buy their entire > catalog (I have _Pungent Effulgent_ and _Strangeitude_). I > haven't met a Hawkwind CD that I didn't like, except for _The > White Zone_. I have over 50 Tangerine Dream CDs. > > Based on what I've heard on Cleopatra's _Space Box_ set, I'm > tempted to pick up these: > > _The Eternal Sky_ by the Anubian Lights I like this, but I also like _Sphynx_ and _The White Zone_ , which are kind of similar, IMO. Then again, it doesn't have vocals, so if Nik's vocals are the main reason that you don't like _Sphynx_, you are at least spared them. And several other folk on the list seem to hate _The White Zone_ and like _The Eternal Sky_ . As for the Ozrics, you may like to try some of their earlier stuff, which has a bit more variety. I agree that _Pungent Effulgent_ and _Strangeitude_ (and _Jurassic Shift_) are all pretty similar. But _Erpland_ and _AfterSwish_ have more variety. > Also, what Darxtar CD should I start with? The only one I've heard is _DayBreak_, which I now really like. I'm thinking of getting another, probably _Sju_. I surprised that no-one has mentioned Alan Davey's solo CD, _Captured Rotation_ . It's rather popular on this list; I seem to be the only person that it doesn't do much for. (It sounds too clean and programmed to me, although I'd like to hear some of the songs done by a band instead of overdubs). Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:04:30 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:04:30 EDT Subject: il se port bien... Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.130430.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > From: Dave Berry <daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK> > There is always the story of Lemmy being held up by a roadie while he > played... > > Dave. > -- That's great! Lemmy and el Cid! I saw Blues Traveler's John Popper play from a wheelchair once. Does that count? theo From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jul 22 15:02:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:02:08 -0000 Subject: OFF: Roach disasters (was: BOC Remasters) Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.190208.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Never nuked a CD, though. I can think of a couple that I would have liked to, though... > But I don't want to zonk my microwave just to watch a lightshow... When we got a microwave for the first time when I was a kid, I tossed in a live crab! I could pick handfuls of them at the beach near our summerplace, and anyway the poor green little crab ran around frantically, suddenly turned red and exploded with a shriek and a pop!! Quite an amazing spectacle, but a bitch to clean up, and a godawful stench. I've since grown older and wiser as I look back on my evil ways as a foolish boy, but at least I can claim it was torture in the name of Science... Some years ago I lived in a cheap rundown pad in New Jersey and we had tons of cockroaches in the summer, and everyday was a goddamn battle of us vs. them, they spawned armies out of our bathtub at night.. A few of them had somehow managed to get into our microwave, and my little science project 10 years earlier paid off - it took the big bastards over 3 minutes to die - they just kept on walking and walking around in there until they slowly stopped... and died. Truly truly gross, and we moved out..... Even sicker, when I was a toddler, and our dog had black leeches that had quenched their thirst off ol' Oscar and dropped off, and I thought they were raisins...... I was found screaming with dog-blood and leech-chunks all over my face and possibly became traumatized for life.... Phew, a little off topic there but I can't afford a shrink! Christian ObCD: Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (grooving right now..) From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:14:55 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:14:55 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <199707221332.JAA20527@panix.com> Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.131455.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeff Berry wrote: > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > occasionally sitting in? > > I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and > I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. Is this a 2-for-1 rerelease of _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_? Would you post the catalogue #/label information for this release, please? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:40:09 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:40:09 EDT Subject: OFF: Roach disasters (was: BOC Remasters) Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.134009.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> > Some years ago I lived in a cheap rundown pad in New Jersey and we had tons > of cockroaches in the summer, and everyday was a goddamn battle of us vs. > them, they spawned armies out of our bathtub at night.. A few of them had repayment from the animal kingdom for the crab incident? > somehow managed to get into our microwave, and my little science project 10 > years earlier paid off - it took the big bastards over 3 minutes to die - > they just kept on walking and walking around in there until they slowly > stopped... and died. Truly truly gross, and we moved out..... > I read somewhere that if the world ever stages a full-on nuclear holocaust, the last two creatures to die off would be cockroaches and rats. Hey, you ever toss a live rat into the nuke? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:12:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:12:13 EDT Subject: 8-string bass Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.131213.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Chris Baxley <Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM> > >>Sorry, but there is no such thing. Also, the neck would be wide as hell > >on a 8-string. I have a 6-string bass, and the neck on that is twice the > >>width of the one the guitarist is playing in the pic. > >> Funny, as the Hagstrom had a pretty thin neck considering its configuration. And The Hamer 12 string is actually narrower than a six string bass, albeit the principle of operation is entirely different... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:09:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:09:32 EDT Subject: HW: SR Q's Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.130932.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Chris Baxley <Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM> > Hagstrom (from Sweden) made an 8-string bass in the '60's. I think it was > tuned like a 12-string guitar. > > Chris > Noel Redding was the first guy I ever heard of using the Hagstrom 8-string. It's sort of tuned like a 12-string gtr, in that the bass strings are octave tuned and the treble are unison on a guitar. The hagstrom, I believe, is octave tuned, all 4 courses. The Hamer 12 string bass used by Peterson [or is it Petersson?]...I can't remember, though I saw and heard it last year. I can't believe that any instrument with a wooden neck could hold more than 1 set of true bass strings... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 22 13:47:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:47:07 EDT Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.134707.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Paul Mather <paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU> > > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > > occasionally sitting in? > > Didn't you just describe--ugh--Kansas? Oops, sorry dudes, I promised not to fuck with Geddy's kids... theo > > Paul. > > obCD: Govt. Mule, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ Ah, well, nothing to dump on here. I understand that GM is working on a new disc for release this fall... theo From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Tue Jul 22 14:19:20 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:19:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Davey, Capt. Rotation, other stuff (was: offshoot bands) Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.131920.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:54:00 +0100 Dave Berry <daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK> wrote: >I surprised that no-one has mentioned Alan Davey's solo CD, >_Captured Rotation_ . It's rather popular on this list; I seem >to be the only person that it doesn't do much for. I just got this one yesterday (along with ISOS, Doremi, HotMG remasters [finally], Love In Space [finally], and Turner's SR'94 video [what a waste]). Captured Rotation sounds absolutely great upon first listen (almost a full run-through). I really like the first track. I'll say more about the others later. Damon From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jul 22 15:27:10 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:27:10 -0400 Subject: Days of the underground - Magic Michael???? Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.152710.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Flippin' thru (in more ways than one) Kris Tait's HW book, there was >mention of the band (?) Magic Michael losing out to a power cut at the >Greasy Trucker's Party. Is it possible this could either be a) Moorcock or >b) some other Michael or c) all of the above d) none of the above or e) a >figment of my imagination God, I hope not. For the life of me I can't figure out why Magic Michael is on that album. I've heard better guitar at street corners, and his singing is so annoying I can't listen more than ten seconds into it. Magic Michael is one lone guy with an acoustic guitar, though some people in the audience seem to get ahold of the mike (no pun intended) at times... The way my GTP goes, Man is on first, then Brindsley Schwartz (who I like a hell of a lot but can't find anything else by, then Magic Michael and last Hawkwind. The powercut was sort of between Man and Brindsley. During Man someone mentioned there might be a powercut and asked if anyone had a generator, and Brindlsey (I think) mentioned that they all had fun groping in the dark... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 22 16:12:59 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:12:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brinsley Schwarz (was RE: Days of the underground - Magic Michael????) Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.211259.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Brindsley Schwartz (who I like >a hell of a lot but can't find anything else by And they made six albums, too... do check you're spelling their name right if you're trying on-line searches though! :) 'Course, Nick Lowe went on to become a rock star (the sell-out!), so you'll be able to find his stuff, and several of the others (including Schwarz himself) joined Graham Parker and the Rumour. - Andy ObLP: Pink Fairies - _What a Bunch of Sweeties_ (best version of "Walk Don't Run" by anybody ever!) -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 22 18:22:03 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:22:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roach disasters (was: BOC Remasters) In-Reply-To: <199707221708.NAA18239@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.232203.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 19:02 22/07/97 -0000, Christian wrote: > >ObCD: Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (grooving right now..) > Went to pick this up on vinyl from HMV in Kingston today, but the buggers had sold out *hmmpfh*. More stock in a couple of days :-{)> Got prodigy/Fat Of The Land (2x12") & Roni Size/New Forms (4x12" 45) instead 8-{P ChrisW ob12": Roni Size - New Forms ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 22 18:12:53 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:12:53 +0100 Subject: BOC Remasters In-Reply-To: <199707221239.IAA15754@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.231253.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 08:39 22/07/97 -0400, John wrote: >But didn't ya know? If you put on the first CD of WOTT in your player >upside down, you can hear both the SWU/SFG demos in their entirety, while >putting disc 2 upside down yields all the tracks of "Ezekiel's Wheel"! ;-) > >John > >PS: Has anyone ever tried putting a CD upside down in their player? What >happens? I hear that if you microwave them, they make pretty sparks before >bursting into flames . . . > I tried this with R.E.M.'s "New Adventures..." since there is only the title in very small print on the back/flip/other side and my CD player went whirr, click, whirr & spat it back out again. ChrisW obCD: Unknown Public 4 - Musical Machinery From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 22 18:40:16 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:40:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brinsley Schwarz (was RE: Days of the underground - Magic Michael????) In-Reply-To: <01BC96E4.3747E620@host5-99-45-144.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.234016.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Once again, Andy proves himself to be a man after my own heart: > >ObLP: Pink Fairies - _What a Bunch of Sweeties_ (best version of "Walk >Don't Run" by anybody ever!) I really have to try and get a copy of this ChrisW "It's rock & roll, and the message is... DO IT!" From ianfines at JUNO.COM Tue Jul 22 19:58:53 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:58:53 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.195853.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds >something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream >occasionally sitting in? > >I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and >I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. I personally think this CD kicks ass....and it's WAAAY before it's time. Especially one song, I think "Futilist's Lament", which is as heavy as heavy can get. Jim Morrison on cRaCk!!! Plus the guitarist is pretty much out there as well. Back on the streets, Ian From corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU Wed Jul 23 01:27:19 1997 From: corwin at ELNET.MSK.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:27:19 +0400 Subject: HW: Davey, Capt. Rotation, other stuff (was: offshoot bands) Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.092719.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I live in Russia and damn! It's very difficult to get the latest Hawkwind stuff!!! I have no Love In Space (2cd), no Captured Rotation, no any videos except Night Of The Hawks and Turner's Space Ritual. Corwin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 23 04:31:11 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:31:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Primal Scream In-Reply-To: <199707221708.NAA18239@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.093111.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> In article <199707221708.NAA18239 at ren.globecomm.net>, C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> writes >Christian > >ObCD: Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (grooving right now..) great album, eh? Did you know Adrian Sherwood of On-U Sound has remixed the whole album in dub? It'll be out in September, under the name Echo Base (might be Echo Seven) Although he has done remixes of Motorhead (NB on-topic-content) and Medication, they'll be left off the remix CD coz it'll be too long otherwise. Anyone seen the film "Vanishing Point", which inspired the album title and the song "Kowalski"? Picked it up recently. This guy Kowalski has to drive from Denver to San Fran in 15 hours, full tank of gas, loaded on Benzedrine. It's OK, but as a road movie pales beside "Goodbye Pork Pie" - possibly the greatest road movie ever made. Any why is it whenever I buy a flippin ticket to a gig these days, it gets cancelled? (The Scream just cancelled their tour BTW) -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 23 07:55:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:55:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Primal Scream Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.115528.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I wrote: > >ObCD: Primal Scream - Vanishing Point (grooving right now..) Jon wrote: > great album, eh? > Yeah, it varies but I dig the groovier electronic moments there like Burning Wheel, Kowalski and Motorhead so far..... > > Any why is it whenever I buy a flippin ticket to a gig these days, it > gets cancelled? (The Scream just cancelled their tour BTW) > > -- > Jon Browne Tell me about it - Faith No More are sold out (I even entered a last minute competition for tickets but no luck) and I think, oh well, Primal Scream are playing the same night so I'll see them... think again. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! There. My primal scream for no more fate worth having... huh??? Christian ObCD: Cosmic Jokers _Planeten Sit-In_ "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 23 06:19:45 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:19:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Elfquest Comics In-Reply-To: <2234D1927DF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.111945.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just doing my orders this morning, noticed there was a new Elfquest title called "Hawk & Windblade". Wonder if Barry Blair's a fan? -- Jon Browne obCD's Spiritualised "Pure Phase" & "Lazer Guided Melodies" Anyone else into these guys? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 23 08:35:21 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:35:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.133521.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Way off topic this - but someone might know the answer..... I was half watching (on and off while doing something else) through the snow that is Channel 5 on my tv, a film called Runaway Train the other night. I'm not at all sure what the film was about except that it involved an escaped convict of some kind but the sound track (when I could make it out) was terrific - part Tangerine Dream put some other heavy metal sounds. Does anyone know this film or the bands that might have been playing on it? Just curious ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Jul 23 08:45:15 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:45:15 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <223ED566405@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Jul 22, 97 01:47:07 pm Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.084515.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds >> > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream >> > occasionally sitting in? >Didn't you just describe--ugh--Kansas? Oops, sorry dudes, I promised >not to fuck with Geddy's kids... >theo No, Kansas is violin driven soft rock that sounds like Chicago jamming with Steely Dan with Michael Jackson doing the odd vocal here and there:-) Totally different head. (Although even I must admit that Kansas had a couple of good songs.) JB From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Jul 23 08:46:53 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:46:53 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970722131005.6448E-100000@gromit.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Jul 22, 97 01:14:55 pm Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.084653.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds >> something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream >> occasionally sitting in? >> I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and >> I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. >Is this a 2-for-1 rerelease of _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_? Yep. >Would you post the catalogue #/label information for this release, please? I'll try to remember to do that this afternoon. I seem to recall it being an EMI British import, though.. JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 23 09:01:40 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:01:40 EDT Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.090140.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: J Strobridge <eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK> > Way off topic this - but someone might know the answer..... > > I was half watching (on and off while doing something else) through the > snow that is Channel 5 on my tv, a film called Runaway Train the other > night. I'm not at all sure what the film was about except that it > involved an escaped convict of some kind but the sound track (when I > could make it out) was terrific - part Tangerine Dream put some other > heavy metal sounds. Does anyone know this film or the bands that might > have been playing on it? > > Just curious > > ta > > jill > Jill, I've got a tape of this most amazing film, so I'll have to check the credits for ya. In fact, thanks for reminding me, as I've got a little time alone this evening, so I'll watch it again. The premise is that 2 escaped cons get aboard a set of light engines [railroad-ese for engines not pulling a train, just all by themselves] pursued by a maniacal warden obsessed with catching them. Somehow the brakes get disabled, hence the 'Runaway' part. The runaway engines roar across Alaska, with a female railroad maintenance worker aboard. She has to avoid the crazed Manny [Jon Voigt in an oscar-nominated role] and try to figure out how to stop the train. Anyway, she manages to disconnect one of the units, so she gets saved. The warden gets landed atop the engines via helicopter, and he and Manny face off against each other as the train hurtles toward a dead end in the midst of a driving snowstorm. Excellent, highest recommendations for this overlooked film... BTW, this is the most realistic 'train' film ever made, and in addition to the rail sequences, the prison scenes before the escape are amazing, and very violent... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 23 09:03:16 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:03:16 EDT Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.090316.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Jeff Berry <nexus at PANIX.COM> > >> > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > >> > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > >> > occasionally sitting in? > >Didn't you just describe--ugh--Kansas? Oops, sorry dudes, I promised > >not to fuck with Geddy's kids... > >theo > > No, Kansas is violin driven soft rock that sounds like Chicago > jamming with Steely Dan with Michael Jackson doing the odd vocal > here and there:-) > I stand corrected! theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 23 09:02:28 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:02:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.140228.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Missed it myself, but Cinemania loves it - and Voight and Roberts both picked up Oscar nominations. Based on a screenplay by Kurosawa, too! Anyway, it lists music director and composer as a certain Trevor Jones, an apparently well-respected South African film and TV composer. 'Course, there may have been other stuff in the soundtrack. You should get cable! :) - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jul 23 10:16:16 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:16:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.101616.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Missed it myself, but Cinemania loves it - and Voight and Roberts both >picked up Oscar nominations. Based on a screenplay by Kurosawa, too! > >Anyway, it lists music director and composer as a certain Trevor Jones, an >apparently well-respected South African film and TV composer. 'Course, >there may have been other stuff in the soundtrack. Trevor Jones, I've heard that recently.... I think he did the soundtrack to Hensen's Laberynth. And probably some other films I can't recall... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jul 23 10:39:28 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:39:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:16:16 EDT." <199707231416.KAA22665@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.153928.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > >Missed it myself, but Cinemania loves it - and Voight and Roberts both > >picked up Oscar nominations. Based on a screenplay by Kurosawa, too! > > > >Anyway, it lists music director and composer as a certain Trevor Jones, an > >apparently well-respected South African film and TV composer. 'Course, > >there may have been other stuff in the soundtrack. Check out the internet movie database uk.imdb.com Looks like it was just him for the score > Trevor Jones, I've heard that recently.... > > I think he did the soundtrack to Hensen's Laberynth. And probably > some other films I can't recall... Yup, and a bucketload of other cool films (Excalibur, Angel Heart, Last of the Mohicans etc). Tim ObCD: Lamb, _Debut_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 23 13:26:04 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:26:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: John Shirley's new CD Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.132604.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just wanted to say that I got John Shirley's new CD "Red Star" by his band, The Panther Moderns. (don't know who John Shirley is? let's just say his name may be all over Ezekiel's Wheel) Rather interesting. John reminds me a little bit of David Roter in terms of lyrics and the way he sings -- is he a genius or a madman? You decide. Very cool stuff, and quite a different musical take on the lyrics "I'd Like to See You in Black". I'd be hardpressed to describe the music, but i guess yo could say the CD is a mix of punk, heavy rock, techno, and funk, all which blends nicely with John's lyrics and delivery. There's a link to his site in the BOC FAQ, should anyone wish to check it out. John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 23 14:54:49 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:54:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Elfquest Comics In-Reply-To: <eHLY5DABrd1zEwvy@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.195449.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 11:19 23/07/97 +0100, you wrote: >Just doing my orders this morning, noticed there was a new Elfquest >title called "Hawk & Windblade". Wonder if Barry Blair's a fan? >-- >Jon Browne >obCD's Spiritualised "Pure Phase" & "Lazer Guided Melodies" >Anyone else into these guys? I like what little I've heard. So much music, so little time *sigh* (& money! ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 23 14:59:36 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:59:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Primal Scream In-Reply-To: <NVZsNAAPFc1zEw8H@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.195936.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Blah blah blah snipped > >Anyone seen the film "Vanishing Point", which inspired the album title >and the song "Kowalski"? Picked it up recently. This guy Kowalski has to >drive from Denver to San Fran in 15 hours, full tank of gas, loaded on >Benzedrine. It's OK, but as a road movie pales beside "Goodbye Pork Pie" >- possibly the greatest road movie ever made. I saw it at the time, so it's my touchstone as a road-movie. I'm sure I've seen "Goodbye Pork Pie", but it hasn't stuck in my mind. I think like so many of these things, it's a question of timing and when you got into them. Just like no matter the virtues of the later stuff, I'll always love the first three BOC albums above all, and the UA era Hawkwind stuff. ChrisW obTooHot: Cool Bath Time... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 23 15:03:48 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:03:48 +0100 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <199707231245.IAA13778@panix.com> Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.200348.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 08:45 23/07/97 -0400, you wrote: >>> > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds >>> > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream >>> > occasionally sitting in? >>Didn't you just describe--ugh--Kansas? Oops, sorry dudes, I promised >>not to fuck with Geddy's kids... >>theo > >No, Kansas is violin driven soft rock that sounds like Chicago >jamming with Steely Dan with Michael Jackson doing the odd vocal >here and there:-) > >Totally different head. (Although even I must admit that Kansas >had a couple of good songs.) > >JB > I could get into a flaming mode here: I hardly think that Steely Dan deserve to be lumped in with Chicago, Kansas OR the boy who drinks Domestos. (I do confess a small soft spot for the Chicago Transit Authority album, but only small). ChrisW obOneFromTheVaults: Donald Fagen - The Nightfly From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Jul 23 15:10:30 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:10:30 EDT Subject: HW: Upcoming Releases Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.151030.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Any news on the next wave of releases from the Emergency Broadcast System label? _PXR5_ re-issue (any bonus cuts?) _Distant Horizons_ _The 1999 Party_ (aka Live '74) Any others? MWood NP: _Voyage of the Acolyte_ - Steve Hackett From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 23 16:00:57 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:00:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: John Shirley's new CD Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.160057.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> URL for John Shirley's site: http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley.html John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 23 17:31:30 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:31:30 -0600 Subject: Basses Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.153130.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Theo said>Funny, as the Hagstrom had a pretty thin neck considering its configuration. And The Hamer 12 string is actually narrower than a six string bass, albeit the principle of operation is entirely different... Doug Pinnick of KX plays a 12 string Hamer, decent picture of the head and neck on the inside sleeve of Ear Candy. It is rather narrow. Theo>When can we expect an album from KX? And what's Ty's solo disc like, BTW? How about two? They recently signed with Metal Blade after negotiating with several companies. This is a three album deal. While shopping and negotiating they carried the latest album with them. It supposed to be pretty close to the final product but they'll probably fool around with it some more. Their official website usually has some clips on it. Atlantic, their former label, was due at least another album and they plan on releasing a greatest hits type package with some extras. One delicious tidbit that the band says will be included is an 8+ min live version of Over My Head. If you know the band and this song you can imagine what that will sound like. Both may actually be released very close to each other, sometime this fall/winter. Word on Ty's Solo disc is OUTSTANDING STUFF. Its available mail -order only from the official KX website. I'll open my browser and send you the web address separately. Theo>And why hasn't BOC hooked up with CMC, a really cool label that has no problem making deals with other Dino bands, and even put out this year's Summerdaze disc? Ya gotta wonder what's up with 3OC's management. If ever a band was tailor-made for a label, this is it... Hell why not Metal Blade. MB gave Y&T a one shot deal, their Live Farewell (highlky recommended). They re-released an Alice Cooper album that his original record company pulled back. The young artist on Metal Blade still believe in true rock not the grunge/alterna stuff. Bands like Fates Warning and the Galactic Cowboys are in the fold. Certainly a name like "Metal Blade" is consistent with a band that helped spark the Heavy Metal revolution of America. I thinks its a natural. CMC is the place for Geezer bands though. They even have a separate CMC display in Best Buy now. But for those of you who think BOC is weird and somewhat clueless, how about Saigon Kick. They bring back their original lead vocalist, do a couple of local shows featuring only music from the first two albums. The guy leaves. Meanwhile SK signs with Atlantic (I think) and will re-name themselves Flat. They have already produced their last album as Saigon Kick but their first as Flat will probably come out before the last SK. Weird stuff. L8er lil' ab "The true mad scientist does not make public appearances. He does not wear the "hello my name is" badge. He strikes from below like a viper. Or from up high like a penny being dropped from the tallest building around. He has but one purpose, to do bad things to good people with science!" - Chromedome OB Parting shot - Loved the roaches in the microwave story, maybe thats the kind of stuff Chromedome was referring to. From Conen at MSN.COM Tue Jul 22 16:04:28 1997 From: Conen at MSN.COM (Donna or Kelvin The Mad House) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:04:28 UT Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.200428.UT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hi there Thanks for the past few months of interesting Emails, unfortunately I now do not have time to read many of them, so I would like to unsubscribe. Regards Donna Woodward From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 22 21:25:12 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:25:12 -0700 Subject: HW: 8 string bass? Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.182512.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Andrew Gilham wrote: > But I think I know what fooled me: it looks as if there's 4 tuning knobs on > the top of the head of the instrument, and at least 2 on the bottom - but > on closer inspection, half of them are shadows! So, it's a three-string bass then? :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jul 22 21:28:08 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 18:28:08 -0700 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <TUE.22.JUL.1997.182808.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Jeff Berry wrote: > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > occasionally sitting in? > I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and > I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. Sounds very interesting! Could you give me some more info on this CD? Thanks, Jerry From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Jul 24 10:49:47 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:49:47 EST Subject: OFF: Primal Scream In-Reply-To: <199707231000.GAA07619@ren.globecomm.net>; from "C Mumford" at Jul 23, 97 11:55:28 am Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.094947.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > > Tell me about it - Faith No More are sold out (I even entered a last minute > competition for tickets but no luck) and I think, oh well, Primal Scream > are playing the same night so I'll see them... think again. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! > > Christian > Christian ,FNM areplaying in Melbourne soon,do you want a ticket. regards Marty From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jul 23 21:07:35 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:07:35 -0400 Subject: Basses Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.210735.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Theo said>Funny, as the Hagstrom had a pretty thin neck considering >its >configuration. And The Hamer 12 string is actually narrower than a >six string bass, albeit the principle of operation is entirely >different... I played a Hamer 12-string last night, actually. It is a regualr 4-string neck (width wise), maybe a little wider. It seems that there's two guitar strings to every bass string. Kind of annoying to play, since I don't use a pick and the 12-string sort of sounds better w/ one. From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Jul 23 23:19:49 1997 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:19:49 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands(High Tide) In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970722131005.6448E-100000@gromit.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Jul 22, 97 01:14:55 pm Message-ID: <WED.23.JUL.1997.231949.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> I picked up the High Tide CD re-release (Sea Shanties/High Tide) and >> I'm enjoying it. It's Simon House, so there is a Hawkwind connection. >Is this a 2-for-1 rerelease of _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_? >Would you post the catalogue #/label information for this release, please? Okie dokie.... High Tide--Sea Shanties&High Tide Liberty EMI, 7243 8 29711 2 2 UK CZ 530 First released: 1969 Sea Shanties 1970 High Tide Tracks SEA SHANTIES Futilist's Lament, 5:15 Death Warmed Up, 9:10 Pushed, But Not Forgotton, 4:50 Walking Down Their Outlook, 5:00 Missing Out, 9:37 Nowhere, 5:35 All but Nowhere by Tony Hill. Nowhere by Simon House and Roger Hadden HIGH TIDE Blankman Comes Again, 8:25 The Joke, 9:25 Saneonymous, 14:25 All by High Tide Personnel: Tony Hill, Guitar, Vocals, Acoustic Guitar, Organ Simon House, Electric Violin, Organ, Piano Peter Pavli, Bass guitar Roger Hadden, Drums, Piano, Pip Organ JB From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 24 08:44:48 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:44:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.124448.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > >Jon Browne > >obCD's Spiritualised "Pure Phase" & "Lazer Guided Melodies" > >Anyone else into these guys? I have their early EPs and the LGM album. I'm not as huge a fan of dreamy indie stuff as much as I used to be, but I keep still an eye on the better bands. I really like a lot of older Spacemen 3 though, which was Pierce's old outfit with Sonic Boom.... How is the new Spiritualized Jon?? I've thought about picking it up..... Christian --- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 24 08:49:02 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:49:02 -0000 Subject: SV: OFF: Primal Scream Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.124902.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Christian ,FNM areplaying in Melbourne soon,do you want a ticket. > > regards > > Marty Sure Martyn, I'll swoop down to Australia to see 'em and then to NY to the Strange Daze fest and then try to be back in Oslo to catch DarXtar!!!!! :-) BTW, I just got the HawXtar CD!!!!!! It's **excellent**, Nik in great form and the best DarXtar stuff I've heard...... (I have only Daybreak and Sju).. I'll post something more about it later, I gotta split!!!!! (to Australia????) --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jul 24 04:06:42 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:06:42 -0700 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.010642.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > >> > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > >> > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > >> > occasionally sitting in? Theo: > >Didn't you just describe--ugh--Kansas? Oops, sorry dudes, I promised > >not to fuck with Geddy's kids... Jeff Berry wrote: > No, Kansas is violin driven soft rock that sounds like Chicago > jamming with Steely Dan with Michael Jackson doing the odd vocal > here and there:-) Have to disagree here. Although Kansas have a load of soft songs, it's the violin driven heavy prog rock that I love. I don't know how this band sounds, so I can't compare them to Kansas. Interested, though, so who can give me a cat# please? Jerry From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 24 07:45:10 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:45:10 EDT Subject: off: Basses Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.074510.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Ian R Fines <ianfines at JUNO.COM> > >Theo said>Funny, as the Hagstrom had a pretty thin neck considering > >its > >configuration. And The Hamer 12 string is actually narrower than a > >six string bass, albeit the principle of operation is entirely > >different... > > I played a Hamer 12-string last night, actually. It is a regualr > 4-string neck (width wise), maybe a little wider. It seems that there's > two guitar strings to every bass string. Kind of annoying to play, since > I don't use a pick and the 12-string sort of sounds better w/ one. That's what I remembered about them. Actually, I think the guy in Cheap Trick is using another 12 string these days, maybe in addition to the Hamer. But Nielsen [and yours truly] buys enough Hamers to keep them in business for a while! I don't remember if Petersson uses a pick or his fingers. Also, he only uses the 12-string on a few songs each night... theo From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Thu Jul 24 08:53:39 1997 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:53:39 -0700 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: <33D70D12.13EF@pi.net> from "Jerry" at Jul 24, 97 01:06:42 am Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.055339.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > >> > Hmm. How do you feel about violin driven hard rock that sounds > > >> > something like Deep Purple jamming with Hawkwind with Cream > > >> > occasionally sitting in? > > Have to disagree here. Although Kansas have a load of soft songs, it's the violin driven > heavy prog rock that I love. I don't know how this band sounds, so I can't compare them > to Kansas. Interested, though, so who can give me a cat# please? Might want to check UK out then... They're actually more like ELP meets Kansas, but it's something different (but less than you'd expect from John Wetton and Carl Palmer) Bill From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Jul 24 09:40:41 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:40:41 -0600 Subject: Basses and strings and picks (oh my) Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.074041.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > I don't remember if Petersson uses a pick or his fingers. Also, he > only uses the 12-string on a few songs each night... He used it on every song they played on a VH1 concert just a few months ago, and he used a pick on every song. Bass Player had an article on him a couple of months ago (it's the issue with the guy from Live on the cover). He sounds like a weenie (as far as bass playing goes). I borrowed an 8 string for a gig once (and loved it) and found that not only do you have to use a pick to get it to sound like an 8 string, but you always have to down pick to get a consistant sound. It also wore 2 grooves in each finger so when I switched back to the 4 string the strings didn't feel right. I was playing in this HUGE high school gymnasium (Placentia High in SoCal) and it really filled up the place. It also helped that I had an Ampeg SVT with both cabinets. Oh yeah, back then (1980?) we were playing RU Ready 2 Rock, Godzilla, ETI and Born to Be Wild (BOC style). We didn't play any Hawkwind. The kids could never figure out how to dance to it! Brad From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 24 09:56:09 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:56:09 EDT Subject: Basses and strings and picks (oh my) Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.095609.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: dahl <dahl at AROS.NET> > Oh yeah, back then (1980?) we were playing RU Ready 2 Rock, Godzilla, ETI > and Born to Be Wild (BOC style). We didn't play any Hawkwind. The kids > could never figure out how to dance to it! > > Brad Too much! Around the same time, my band did RU, Godzilla, BTBW, DFtR, and We Gott Get Out [SEE-style]. Our Bass player also used a SVT w/2 cabs. I hadn't heard of HW, but I'm sure our drummer was a fan, as he was a big-time prog rocker and didn't really fit with us metal boys... theo From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jul 24 10:26:22 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:26:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Upcoming Releases Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.092622.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:10:30 EDT Marshall Wood <mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM> wrote: >Any news on the next wave of releases from the >Emergency Broadcast System label? >[[snip]] > _The 1999 Party_ (aka Live '74) Aaahh!! Oh, sorry... For some reason when I saw the title I thought of Prince and the Revolution. Yeesh... :-P Damon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 24 10:24:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:24:00 +0100 Subject: HW: offshoot bands In-Reply-To: Bill Bradley's mail of Thu, 24 Jul 97 05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.152400.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 24 Jul 13:53, Bill Bradley wrote: > Might want to check UK out then... > They're actually more like ELP meets Kansas, but it's something > different (but less than you'd expect from John Wetton and Carl Palmer) I thought Bill Bruford was the drummer for UK? Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jul 24 10:37:31 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:37:31 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.103731.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: Dave Berry <daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK> >On 24 Jul 13:53, Bill Bradley wrote: >> Might want to check UK out then... >> They're actually more like ELP meets Kansas, but it's something >> different (but less than you'd expect from John Wetton and Carl Palmer) >I thought Bill Bruford was the drummer for UK? For the first UK album the line-up was Eddie Jobson, John Wetton, Bill Bruford, and Alan Holdsworth. Then Holdsworth left and Bruford was replaced by Terry Bozzio. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jul 24 11:58:57 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:58:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.105857.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> The new Spiritualized album is called "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space" and the packaging is made to look like a prescription drug box, complete with pharamaceutical directions for use. It's pretty cool though I've only listened to it once so far. I'm really into this dreamy stuff, including stuff like Pale Saints, ESP Summer, Lush, My Bloody Valentine, Cocteau Twins, Spacemen 3, etc. It's an album worth picking up if you're into that sort of thing. Nothing much like Hawkwind of course. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org At 12:44 PM 7/24/97 -0000, you wrote: >> >Jon Browne >> >obCD's Spiritualised "Pure Phase" & "Lazer Guided Melodies" >> >Anyone else into these guys? > >I have their early EPs and the LGM album. I'm not as huge a fan of dreamy >indie stuff as much as I used to be, but I keep still an eye on the better >bands. I really like a lot of older Spacemen 3 though, which was Pierce's >old outfit with Sonic Boom.... How is the new Spiritualized Jon?? I've >thought about picking it up..... > > > >Christian >--- >"It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." > > - Julian Cope > > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 24 18:56:37 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:56:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:02:28 +0100 Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.235637.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Andrew Gilham writes: > You should get cable! :) mutter..... I could a tale here unfold 8-( but I won't! obpurchase> Polish postcards ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 24 21:17:56 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:17:56 -0000 Subject: Off: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.011756.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Well this is really weird.. I'm still fsairloy drunk buii think I can make some sense of this : right after I posted the thing about not getting FNM tickets I went out for a few erreands and my first stop was to buy a pack of cigs, and propheticilly I decided to buy a pack of LUCKY STRIKES!!!!!! So, continuing my journey to the phartmacy ("chemist" to ya brits and felloweuros) I JUST HAPPENED TO BUMP INTO RODDDY BOTTUM THE KEYBOARDARD PLAYER OF FAIHT NO MORE!!! How totally bizarre, I was listening to tp primsl Scream, two minutes after posting to thne list, at the time and thinking about a way tto get tickets. So anyway (the guy's put on weight since last time I saw em play acoupleof nyears ago) I stop him and say" hey etc. and the guy's looking for the hotel whixch is righht down the street and I'm like, wow, you are Roddy Botto etc. and tel him tickets are sold out and he puts me on the friggin guestlist even if he seems kinda pissed cuz I recognice him and I GET TO SEE FNM FOR FREE WITH SOME BUDDIES WHO THOUGHT I WASNT GIONNA SHOW UP ANYWAY ANYWAY"!!!! So I buy tons of beer etc.So I figure, during the show, I shoulda said I was from "GAteavisa" (an UG paper I doo art etc. for) and got a pass but I was denied and thought oh well I mighht asw ell kill my visacard,brag about being a usless anarcist crapmedia journoartist scum scumsuckker and did, picked nobody up anddrank liters of beer abd ended up in a near fistfight with somereally old dude from the Eritrean war waiting for the bus whom I told still had a beatifgul soul and we did a high five even thho noyhingwas worth reporting oh well, th show sucked mooshit anyway!!Q!!!! Ill be okay tomorrw.................. Christian (drunk loser-sorry boc-l Iand myself i'm gonna regret posting this )) "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope PS - obKIDS:::: smoke Lucky Strikes and you get to meat realrockstars!!!!! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 24 20:26:01 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:26:01 -0400 Subject: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.202601.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Gee, ya think he shoulda used the ol' spellchecker??? :-) Well, at least he is behind the keyboard and not the wheel of a car... Craig (who has had a couple of cold ones today, too, but its' so friggin' hot, they were immediately converted to sweat!!) ---------- From: C Mumford[SMTP:cannibal at CUTEY.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 1997 9:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? Well this is really weird.. I'm still fsairloy drunk buii think I can make some sense of this : right after I posted the thing about not getting FNM tickets I went out for a few erreands and my first stop was to buy a pack of cigs, and propheticilly I decided to buy a pack of LUCKY STRIKES!!!!!! So, continuing my journey to the phartmacy ("chemist" to ya brits and felloweuros) I JUST HAPPENED TO BUMP INTO RODDDY BOTTUM THE KEYBOARDARD PLAYER OF FAIHT NO MORE!!! How totally bizarre, I was listening to tp primsl Scream, two minutes after posting to thne list, at the time and thinking about a way tto get tickets. So anyway (the guy's put on weight since last time I saw em play acoupleof nyears ago) I stop him and say" hey etc. and the guy's looking for the hotel whixch is righht down the street and I'm like, wow, you are Roddy Botto etc. and tel him tickets are sold out and he puts me on the friggin guestlist even if he seems kinda pissed cuz I recognice him and I GET TO SEE FNM FOR FREE WITH SOME BUDDIES WHO THOUGHT I WASNT GIONNA SHOW UP ANYWAY ANYWAY"!!!! So I buy tons of beer etc.So I figure, during the show, I shoulda said I was from "GAteavisa" (an UG paper I doo art etc. for) and got a pass but I was denied and thought oh well I mighht asw ell kill my visacard,brag about being a usless anarcist crapmedia journoartist scum scumsuckker and did, picked nobody up anddrank liters of beer abd ended up in a near fistfight with somereally old dude from the Eritrean war waiting for the bus whom I told still had a beatifgul soul and we did a high five even thho noyhingwas worth reporting oh well, th show sucked mooshit anyway!!Q!!!! Ill be okay tomorrw.................. Christian (drunk loser-sorry boc-l Iand myself i'm gonna regret posting this )) "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope PS - obKIDS:::: smoke Lucky Strikes and you get to meat realrockstars!!!!! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 24 20:31:41 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:31:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Runaway Train film Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.203141.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Andrew Gilham writes: > You should get cable! :) Yeah, yeah, and then you might get a chance to beta-test a cable modem like me!! (This, kiddies, is the way to access the Net! And projected cost is the same as your average ISP and a dedicated phone line). Too bad that I can't hook it up to my system that I post from (it is over on mama's computer, doggonit!) obCDPlayer : Ron Boots / Cutting Branches Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 24 13:16:08 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:16:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <199707241558.KAA13203@wcic.org> Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.181608.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> In article <199707241558.KAA13203 at wcic.org>, John Majka <flossbac at WCIC.ORG> writes >The new Spiritualized album is called "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating >In Space" and the packaging is made to look like a prescription drug box, >complete with pharamaceutical directions for use. It's pretty cool though >I've only listened to it once so far. I'm really into this dreamy stuff, >including stuff like Pale Saints, ESP Summer, Lush, My Bloody Valentine, >Cocteau Twins, Spacemen 3, etc. It's an album worth picking up if you're >into that sort of thing. Nothing much like Hawkwind of course. >John Majka I'm not sure that it's a million miles from the Hawks myself, although I wouldn't argue that indefinately. I think there's a certain vibe in common. A love of spacesuits, for a start. <g> The big difference is HW is Acid/Spacerock, Spiritualised are Perscription Meds/Spacerock! Chris, I do recommend the new one. The packaging is really something if nothing else. It does have more rock-out numbers on it than LGM with a couple of real white noise zone outs. But then half of it is still very "floaty". I like it a *whole lot* -- Jon Browne From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 05:17:10 1997 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:17:10 +0100 Subject: FW: Smallest Guitar Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.101710.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> ---------- From: Felinda Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 3:51 AM To: forteana at lists.primenet.com Subject: Smallest Guitar Scientists Create Guitar Smaller Than a Blood Cell Thursday, July 24, 1997; 1:41 a.m. EDT ITHACA, N.Y. (AP) -- It might suit Eric Clapton, if he were an amoeba. The world's tiniest guitar is about the size of a single blood cell, about 20 times thinner than a human hair. Its six strings resonate when plucked but can't be heard by the human ear. Scientists at Cornell University carved the guitar out of crystal silicon to demonstrate the possibilities of building electromechanical devices at the microscopic level. The guitar itself is just 10 micrometers long. A micrometer is one-millionth of a meter. The strings are each about 50 nanometers wide. A nanometer is a billion times smaller than a meter. "The guitar was made for fun but demonstrates a new technology that can be used to fabricate extremely small mechanical devices for a variety of electronics and other industries," Cornell spokesman Larry Bernard said Wednesday. A guitar pick wouldn't do for these strings, as wide as about 100 atoms. They could be plucked with the tip of an atomic force microscope. Nanotechnology is already finding a place in a variety of industrial uses in fiber optics, light displays, sensors and electronics. Harold Craighead, an engineering physics professor who supervised construction of the guitar, said it's still technically possible to make devices even tinier. "The question is how small can we go and still have dependable and measurable mechanical properties," he said. "We are nearing the technological limit where it gets harder to get smaller than this." Fel .............................. http://www.athenet.net/~felinda From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 06:25:59 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:25:59 +0100 Subject: HW: kettering gig Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.112559.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Dear boclers, I have tried to find out more info about the Kettering gig as advertised on the HWwwebsite. According to the Kettering tourist information office the festival is taking place on August 3rd, at Rushton Hall. The bands on the flier they have are Bedouin, Dr. Brown and others. I know HLL was with Dr. Brown a while ago, but not recently(?) so that is why I remeber that name. It runs from 10.30 am to 11pm, tickets are 5 pounds in advance, or 7 pounds on the gates. To get to the hall go along the A14 pass through Rothwell (if coming from Cambridge) there is a mini roundabout where one turns right, to leave Rothwell. There is a turning on the left signed Rushton Village, and the hall ought to be on that road. TIckets are available from spinadisc in Northampton. Mike w From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 06:41:53 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:41:53 +0100 Subject: HW: UK Roswell gig Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.114153.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> A while ago someone mentioned that HW might not be playing a US gig because they had been asked to do a UK gig to celebrate the Roswell event. In this weeks Guardian guide there was a bit advertising the UFO conference and music festival with acid jazz, classic rock (Aug 22nd) and dance taking place at Earl's Court. I have just phoned up Earl's Court and they say the event is cancelled, so I guess HW will not be playing here then, possibly freeing them to do the US gig. Mike w From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Jul 25 05:58:59 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:58:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: FAITH NO MORE Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.055859.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hello-- I think more people should post to boc-l while intoxicated. :-) Guido obCDplayer--Album of the Year by Faith No More -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 25 10:17:12 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:17:12 -0000 Subject: HW: HawXtar Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.141712.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I just got the HawXtar CDR (only a 100 - run to the DarXtar page and grab 'em!) and it's brilliant stuff. The sound is very good for being an unmixed, raw tape of the show with Nik Turner and DarXtar in great form, and is really spacey with all the free-form synth throughout. It opens with a decent "Sonic Attack" (but the SR original can _never_ be outdone!), a pretty good rumbling "Brainstorm" and a wonderful version of "Kadu Flyer" - I love this little song, and it's cool that Turner still performs it, and he plays the flute. There's a violinist too! Then Turner does a real diabolical monologue of Moorcock's "The Great Sun Jester", I don't know how close the lyrics are to the BOC song (I haven't heard it), but it's frightening and thoughtful stuff.... then it goes into "Children of the Sun", a song I always hated - and still do... But the flute and violin make this actually pretty good little mellow piece, luckily with the lyrics kept to a minimum. After that it's just DarXtar, and from what I know from Daybreak and Sju, this is the best stuff I've heard from them. There's a really great version of "7" called "7 1/2". Then there's a straight version of "Obstakel" and one I haven't heard before, "Breath Messages". The last song is excellent, with a creepy middle-eastern sound and a sinister vocal delivery and good lyrics. The violin really adds dimension to DarXtar's sound, I hope they keep it in the future. I'd recommend this to any Hawkwind fans, or anybody into space/psych/prog - it's good stuff. Christian -------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope PS! (way off topic...) Whew, good thing I didn't run anyone down with that drunk-posting last night :-), but I just thought it was amazing that I bumped into Roddy Bottum (always thought that name had an odd ring to it....) and got in for free and all.... the Faith No More gig was okay, but all the songs performed just seemed so "samey", I think FNM lost that innovative edge they had on (especially) Angel Dust - maybe they never should have fired Jim Martin!! Hey, maybe he can join Hawkwind or BOC... :-) Last time I saw them (outdoors) some years ago, they were **brilliant** and they even performed their lounge-jazz version of Dead Kennedys "Let's Lynch The Landlord" and really worked with the crowd.. (Patton's demented antics in particular). Last night it was just too generic and they seemed bored as hell (they were all wearing matching suits too!)...... Hey anyone else out there like FNM or Mr. Bungle or am I just rambling to myself?? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 25 09:05:45 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:05:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Looking for CDs? Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.090545.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just to pass on this info - Terrible Ted's has a few rare BOC CDs if you can't find them elsewhere. I recently asked him what he has and here's his response: Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Rare CDs Date: 97-07-24 14:14:32 EDT From: TerTeds To: BOCFAQMAN We have in stock: BOC Champions of Rock The Reaper Best Of (Germany) Club Ninja Live 1976. If you wish to purchase any of these, contact Ted at TerTeds at aol.com John From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jul 25 09:23:36 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:23:36 CDT Subject: other: cable modem (was RE: OFF: Runaway Train film) Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.082336.CDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hey Craig, and everyone, What do you think of the cable modem? I'm sick of my crappy local isp, and don't have internet access @ work save for email (no web, telnet, etc.). I'm thinking of switching to cable modem, but the costs for me are pretty high: you have to already have basic cable ($25/month), then an additional charge of $40/month residential or $75/month business cost, with a $75 modem deposit and $25 install fee. Ugh. The blurb says you get linespeeds of 500kb/sec (63K), but the throughput is less since the lines are shared. What experience have you (or anyone else :-) had with the cable modems. Are they worth the $65/month? Allan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr iscladoc at idir.net From: BOC-L Sent: Thursday, July 24, 1997 7:40 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: OFF: Runaway Train film Andrew Gilham writes: > You should get cable! :) Yeah, yeah, and then you might get a chance to beta-test a cable modem like me!! (This, kiddies, is the way to access the Net! And projected cost is the same as your average ISP and a dedicated phone line). Too bad that I can't hook it up to my system that I post from (it is over on mama's computer, doggonit!) obCDPlayer : Ron Boots / Cutting Branches Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 25 09:28:17 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:28:17 EDT Subject: BOC: Looking for CDs? Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.092817.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: John A Swartz <jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG> > Just to pass on this info - Terrible Ted's has a few rare BOC CDs if you > can't find them elsewhere. I recently asked him what he has and here's > his response: > Damn! You mean there are 2 Terrible Teds? We have in stock: > > BOC > Champions of Rock > The Reaper Best Of (Germany) > Club Ninja > Live 1976. > > > If you wish to purchase any of these, contact Ted at TerTeds at aol.com > > > John Are these all that rare? I was in Europe a couple months ago, and Champions of Rock was quite present, and Live '76 was in the bargain bins in Bruxelles... theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 14:30:49 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:30:49 BST Subject: Off: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? In-Reply-To: C Mumford's message of Fri, 25 Jul 1997 01:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.143049.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> C Mumford writes: > Well this is really weird.. I'm still fsairloy drunk buii think I can make > some sense of this : right after I posted the thing about not getting FNM > tickets I went out for a few erreands and my first stop was to buy a pack > of cigs, and propheticilly I decided to buy a pack of LUCKY STRIKES!!!!!! > So, continuing my journey to the phartmacy ("chemist" to ya brits and > felloweuros) I JUST HAPPENED TO BUMP INTO RODDDY BOTTUM THE KEYBOARDARD > PLAYER OF FAIHT NO MORE!!! How totally bizarre, I was listening to tp > primsl Scream, two minutes after posting to thne list, at the time and > thinking about a way tto get tickets. So anyway (the guy's put on weight > since last time I saw em play acoupleof nyears ago) I stop him and say" hey > etc. and the guy's looking for the hotel whixch is righht down the street > and I'm like, wow, you are Roddy Botto etc. and tel him tickets are sold > out and he puts me on the friggin guestlist even if he seems kinda pissed > cuz I recognice him and I GET TO SEE FNM FOR FREE WITH SOME BUDDIES WHO > THOUGHT I WASNT GIONNA SHOW UP ANYWAY ANYWAY"!!!! So I buy tons of beer > etc.So I figure, during the show, I shoulda said I was from "GAteavisa" (an > UG paper I doo art etc. for) and got a pass but I was denied and thought oh > well I mighht asw ell kill my visacard,brag about being a usless anarcist > crapmedia journoartist scum scumsuckker and did, picked nobody up anddrank > liters of beer abd ended up in a near fistfight with somereally old dude > from the Eritrean war waiting for the bus whom I told still had a > beatifgul soul and we did a high five even thho noyhingwas worth reporting > oh well, th show sucked mooshit anyway!!Q!!!! Ill be okay > tomorrw.................. > Christian (drunk loser-sorry boc-l Iand myself i'm gonna regret posting > this )) Hey, I've been to Hawkwind gigs that went pretty much like this. I guess we're fellow travellers in the pub crawl of life. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 14:39:46 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:39:46 BST Subject: HW: HawXtar In-Reply-To: C Mumford's message of Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.143946.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> C Mumford writes: > I just got the HawXtar CDR (only a 100 - run to the DarXtar page and grab > 'em!) What's the URL?? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 25 09:55:51 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:55:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Looking for CDs? Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.095551.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Well, some of 'em are hard to get in the U.S., at least at a local record store (of course, I live near Boston, and there are lots of big record stores nearby, so not usually a problem for me). I suppose European CDs ain't hard to come by in Europe, but in the U.S. it may not be as straightforward. John From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 25 12:01:33 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:01:33 -0000 Subject: HW: HawXtar Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.160133.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > C Mumford writes: > > > I just got the HawXtar CDR (only a 100 - run to the DarXtar page and grab > > 'em!) > > What's the URL?? > > FoFP Hm... looks like your best bet is emailing SBM Sweden from their web page at http://www.algonet.se/~darxtar/ ......... Christian --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From heller at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 25 11:47:10 1997 From: heller at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:47:10 +0200 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.174710.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. I just thought that you all should know......... Scott Heller From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 25 12:14:51 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:14:51 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.121451.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Wow... How sad. I did a trade with Rudy recently and still owed him a tape. He never told me what he wanted in return. Sorry to hear about Rudy. My condolences... Ric From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jul 25 12:00:15 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:00:15 CDT Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.110015.CDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Scott, you have my deepest condolences. Bob was a great guy. Was this last August, then, or did you mistype the date? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 10:53 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. I just thought that you all should know......... Scott Heller From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 25 17:53:14 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:53:14 BST Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s message of Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:00:15 CDT Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.175314.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob > Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of > cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. > I just thought that you all should know......... I'm really sorry to hear that. I did some good trading with him. > Scott Heller Mike From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 25 13:00:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:00:00 +0100 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... In-Reply-To: Allan T. Grohe, Jr.'s mail of Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:00 -0700 Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.180000.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I'm very sorry to hear this. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 25 13:42:51 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:42:51 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.134251.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Scott: Please pass on all of our condolences to Rudy's family. I personally met Bob at 2 Brain Surgeons gigs and we also traded a few tBS tapes. I'm very sad to hear this news as I had heard he was doing better. To the person who asked, I assume Scott meant July 11, not August 11 as I know he had to have passed on fairly recently as I corresponded with him via e-mail a few months ago - he made a trip or 2 to New York to catch some Brain Surgeons gigs. Al and Deb are currently on the west coast for tBS west coast tour, and I'm sure they will express their feelings when they return in a few weeks. Rudy - it was great knowing you - I hope you're in a better place now - you will be missed. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jul 25 14:29:06 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.142906.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> O.K., I've been meaning to give fellow-BOC-Ler Martin Popoff a plug here for his new book, "The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal", which is an expanded and updated version of his earlier work, "Riff Kills Man". Before I say anything else, I'll say this: BUY THIS BOOK!! I personally am not one who thinks that reviews of music are really very meaningful, since it is such a subjective thing as to what is "good" and what isn't (or what "sucks" and what doesn't). And, there are various places where I would disagree with the author's review (his less-than-enthusiastic review of one of my favorite albums of last year, Rush's *Test For Echo*, is a case in point that I discussed some months back on this forum), but to me, the numerical score he gives each album is really not the point of reading this book. The real kicker for me is Martin's "call 'em as I see 'em" approach to reviewing just about everything that could be considered heavy metal or hard rock, with some witty and insightful commentary. Martin and I are about the same age, and its interesting to see his thought processes at work in his reviews - and whether you agree with his overall assessment of your favorite album, I liked the way he went about it -- he puts a lot of things in perspective, historically, how the album may or may not have faired sales-wise, what may have been going on with the band at the time, and shows an aprreciation for most of the various sub-genres of hard rock -- this guy can have good things to say from everybody from Deep Purple to Alice in Chains to Metallica to the Infectious Grooves. Some of his admitted biases do show - some bands he almost considers incapable of a truly "bad" record (BOC, one of his favorites, gets this semi- pedestal treatment, but as a BOC fan myself, how could I complain?), while other bands have albums that span the entire rating range (0 to 10), where one album may get a perfect "10" rating, and another may get a "0" rating --> this is an interesting perspective because you get to see where some bands may have creatively "lost it" after becoming successful, and others that put out pure trash for years before finally releasing a true gem. Some cool commentary throughout (loved his quote, "Didn't the 70s just rule?" in a review of one of KISS' albums - you have to read it in context with the review, but it comes off more clever than I can do it justice here). BOC-L members may especially find it interesting that all of BOC's albums, along with Buck's *Flat Out*, Deadringer's *Electrocution of the Heart* (a Joe Bouchard project after he left BOC), and all 3 CDs by the Brain Surgeons are reviewed here (Martin makes it known to the readers that while a good album, *Flat Out* is probably the lightest album that he reviews in his book). Martin also reviews Hawkwind's catalog (or at least a good chunk of it -- not being a Hawkwind fan I can't definitively say its all of 'em). Hawkwind is not one of Martin's "untouchables", and the reviews range from really good to really bad on the various albums. As a bonus for your $20-something, you get a 19 track CD sampler of a number of (probably unheard of by you) different metal bands which to Martin represent possibly the up-and-comers in this genre. As much as you can be "eclectic" within the confines of metal, this CD does a nice job at presenting a variety of heavy sounds - don't know if any of these bands really represent the future, but if they do, then the future could be good. Definitely worth a listen. I've enjoyed pouring through this book - I don't know how many CDs I'll buy (or not buy) based on this book, but for me, that's not the point. This book represents some great thoughts as to why someone likes or dislikes various albums by heavy artists -- I've said in the past that what I like about BOC-L is that a lot of us talk about not just that we like this album or that album, but WHY we like it - and hey, if I agreed with everything the book says (or with everything we say on BOC-L), then there'd be no point in reading (and little point in posting here) - this book is informative, thought provoking, and at times fun, and provides some insight into various events in heavy metal's history. Did I mention you should buy this book? ;-) John PS: The book is available at Barnes & Noble, and possibly some other stores, or direct from Martin (I'm sure he'll chime in soon and repost the ordering info if you need it). From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 25 15:27:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:27:29 EDT Subject: The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.152729.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: John A Swartz <jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG> > O.K., I've been meaning to give fellow-BOC-Ler Martin Popoff a plug > here for his new book, "The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal", which > is an expanded and updated version of his earlier work, "Riff Kills Man". > > Before I say anything else, I'll say this: BUY THIS BOOK!! > > I personally am not one who thinks that reviews of music are really > very meaningful, since it is such a subjective thing as to what is > "good" and what isn't (or what "sucks" and what doesn't). And, there > are various places where I would disagree with the author's review > (his less-than-enthusiastic review of one of my favorite albums of > last year, Rush's *Test For Echo*, is a case in point that I discussed > some months back on this forum), but to me, the numerical score he Whoa! I'll run out and buy it today! > gives each album is really not the point of reading this book. > > The real kicker for me is Martin's "call 'em as I see 'em" approach to > reviewing just about everything that could be considered heavy metal or > hard rock, with some witty and insightful commentary. Martin and I are > about the same age, and its interesting to see his thought processes > at work in his reviews - and whether you agree with his overall assessment > of your favorite album, I liked the way he went about it -- he puts a lot > of things in perspective, historically, how the album may or may not have > faired sales-wise, what may have been going on with the band at the time, > and shows an aprreciation for most of the various sub-genres of hard > rock -- this guy can have good things to say from everybody from Deep > Purple to Alice in Chains to Metallica to the Infectious Grooves. Some > of his admitted biases do show - some bands he almost considers incapable > of a truly "bad" record (BOC, one of his favorites, gets this semi- > pedestal treatment, but as a BOC fan myself, how could I complain?), > while other bands have albums that span the entire rating range (0 to 10), > where one album may get a perfect "10" rating, and another may get a "0" I think I saw this book a little while ago. He does rave about BOC, doesn't he? Loves BOC and pans Rush: there is order in the universe after all. > BOC-L members may especially find it interesting that all of BOC's albums, > along with Buck's *Flat Out*, Deadringer's *Electrocution of the Heart* > (a Joe Bouchard project after he left BOC), and all 3 CDs by the Brain > Surgeons are reviewed here (Martin makes it known to the readers that > while a good album, *Flat Out* is probably the lightest album that he > reviews in his book). Martin also reviews Hawkwind's catalog (or at Pretty light, but hardly lightweight. Has a re-mastered Flat Out been released? I heard rumors to that effect. Also what about the recent concert in Atlanta? Wasn't there supposed to be a disc and video of the show to help with the benefit? I'd like to help out if I can... > I've enjoyed pouring through this book - I don't know how many CDs I'll > buy (or not buy) based on this book, but for me, that's not the point. > This book represents some great thoughts as to why someone likes or > dislikes various albums by heavy artists -- I've said in the past that > what I like about BOC-L is that a lot of us talk about not just that > we like this album or that album, but WHY we like it - and hey, if I > agreed with everything the book says (or with everything we say on > BOC-L), then there'd be no point in reading (and little point in posting > here) - this book is informative, thought provoking, and at times fun, > and provides some insight into various events in heavy metal's history. > > Did I mention you should buy this book? ;-) > > > John > > PS: The book is available at Barnes & Noble, and possibly some other That's where I saw it. On my way after work! theo From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 25 15:49:56 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:49:56 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.154956.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I am very sorry to hear about the passing of your friend Rudy. And yes, it was appropriate for you to tell us, no matter how difficult, we want to know these things. I did not know Rudy, but recall his posts and name, as I do many of the names on this list. My thoughts are with you and Rudy's family.....may the journey of understanding and grief, be gentle for you all. Blessings, Teri Cruzan From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jul 25 15:46:38 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:46:38 -0600 Subject: Basses and strings and picks (oh my) Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.134638.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Too much! Around the same time, my band did RU, Godzilla, BTBW, > DFtR, and We Gott Get Out [SEE-style]. Our Bass player also used a > SVT w/2 cabs. I hadn't heard of HW, but I'm sure our drummer was a > fan, as he was a big-time prog rocker and didn't really fit with us > metal boys... Theo! We're we in the same band? This is too weird. We also played We Gott Get Out [SEE-style], but I'd forgot about that one. I'm guessing you're a guitar player? We ought to jam sometime. Where do you live? (I no longer have the SVT and cabs, my band made me get rid of them) Brad From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jul 25 15:52:04 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:52:04 +0200 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.215204.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 17:47 25.07.97 +0200, you wrote: >This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob >Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of >cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. >I just thought that you all should know......... I am shocked!!!! Rudy was a real friend, and a very sympathetic person. I had very often e-mail contact with him. And we traded some HAWKWIND stuff We discussed lot of about HAWKWIND and SCIENCE FICTION and I always enjoyed his intelligent mails We have lost a great friend I am sure: We all will miss him very much Rudy, I hope you've found now a better place to be Bernhard From HawkLord at AOL.COM Fri Jul 25 17:55:15 1997 From: HawkLord at AOL.COM (Tony A. Rowe) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:55:15 -0400 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.175515.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> In a message dated 97-07-14 21:17:46 EDT, you write: n article <yam7134.2778.5687120 at mail.vossnet.co.uk>, Si > <sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK> writes > > > >I thought it was Smiling Micheal according to the lyric book. I think I > read > >that It was a real person but not Moorcock. > > > >Si Well now THIS should put this discussion to rest! I took a vacation down to San Diego last weekend to attend the San Diego Comic Book Convention. Who do you think was there promoting the new comic book series that he is now writing? It was Michael Moorcock with DC promoting his new Michael Moorcock's Multiverse comic! He had a panel in which he did nothing but field questions from the audience (he didn't even plug his new series! he actually just took questions from the audience! it was so refreshing!). One of the questions I asked him was... are you Smiling Michael with the Black Motorcycle from Days of the Underground? He said no. He went on to explain that Smiling Michael was a friend of his and the members of Hawkwind who was always happy (hence the name Smiling Michael). He lived near where Moorcock and Hawkwind lived, and was fairly well known in the music community of the area. One day, Smiling Michael decided that he wanted to go to his apartment. For some reason that was never adequately explained by Moorcock, Smiling Michael thought that climbing up the side of the building was the best way to get to his apartment. He lost his grip, fell, and impaled himself on some wrought iron fencing. Ouch... "That's what you get for optimism," said Moorcock. However, I forgot to ask about the black motorcycle. From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jul 25 18:21:37 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:21:37 -0600 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... In-Reply-To: <c=DK%a=_%p=Novo_Nordisk_AS%l=HRI-970725154710Z-20@hri.hagedorn.dk> Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.162137.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> My deepest sympathies go out to Bob's family and friends. God bless...Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 24 19:19:44 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:19:44 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.191944.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Might want to check UK out then... > They're actually more like ELP meets Kansas, but it's >something >different (but less than you'd expect from John Wetton and Carl >Palmer) And Asia wasn't? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 24 19:16:34 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:16:34 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands(High Tide) Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.191634.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Personnel: >Tony Hill, Guitar, Vocals, Acoustic Guitar, Organ >Simon House, Electric Violin, Organ, Piano >Peter Pavli, Bass guitar >Roger Hadden, Drums, Piano, Pip Organ Does any1 have any more info on Tony Hill? Did he do anything else? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Thu Jul 24 19:26:35 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:26:35 -0400 Subject: HW: offshoot bands Message-ID: <THU.24.JUL.1997.192635.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:24:00 +0100 Dave Berry <daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK> writes: >On 24 Jul 13:53, Bill Bradley wrote: >> Might want to check UK out then... >> They're actually more like ELP meets Kansas, but it's >something >> different (but less than you'd expect from John Wetton and Carl >Palmer) > >I thought Bill Bruford was the drummer for UK? He was, for one album. Then the great Terry Bozzio took over. Eddie Jobson was rounded out the trio, and guess what...it was almost FZ's band circa '76 w/o FZ playing prog songs! Good prog songs at that too. From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Jul 25 08:34:47 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:34:47 -0000 Subject: HW: kettering gig In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970725111934.22466A-100000@suma3.reading.ac.uk> Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.123447.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 25-Jul-97, the mikster wrote: >Dear boclers, >I have tried to find out more info about the Kettering gig as advertised >on the HWwwebsite. According to the Kettering tourist information office >the festival is taking place on August 3rd, at Rushton Hall. >From Hawkwind feedback (which strangly happened to arrive this morning: <quote> ...a festival in Kettering on August 2nd. Well, although this is the date which I had and which Hawkwind's management had, as did bands concerned, it turns out that the festival is actually on the 3rd, at Rushton, near Kettering. Hawkwind won't be there after all, but Bedouin are playing there, so it's a good job you told me the right date because Alan was given the wrong date too and had his studio time and accomodation booked to fit with the 2nd. <end quote> Good to know that festival organisers are as good as ever ;) Si From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Fri Jul 25 21:19:28 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 01:19:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Legendary Stardust Cowboy Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.011928.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hey people, this is one thing I been wondering about for 10 years - anybody know about my hero The Legendary Stardust Cowboy????? Anyway, the bizarre HW connection is this: on the ICU/Calvert Imperial Pompadours album (which I've never heard but would love to....:-) I saw listed on the ICU webpage his song, "I Took A Trip In A Gemini Spaceship" (LSDCB has done tons of variations of it since, due to technolological advances). I've been into Ledge for the better part of 10 years, have tons of his stuff (well, some albums and singles, some personalized stuff etc......) and even used to correspond with the guy.... I'm just wondering if ICU actually covered him on that album or if it was just a fluke, he sure was in the right company. Hey, if anybody knows anything about Ledge let me know! Jon Browne: you seem like a possible fan???????? Christian ObLP: Legendary Stardust Cowboy _Rock It To Stardom_ (on bubblegum pink vinyl too!!!) --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Fri Jul 25 21:40:46 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:40:46 -0400 Subject: The Collector's Guide to Heavy Metal Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.214046.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> John, After that great review...I'm off to the bookstore tomorrow morn. Teri From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Fri Jul 25 23:32:04 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:32:04 -0400 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! In-Reply-To: <970725175505_1280694510@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.233204.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Tony A. Rowe wrote: > In a message dated 97-07-14 21:17:46 EDT, you write: > > n article <yam7134.2778.5687120 at mail.vossnet.co.uk>, Si > > <sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK> writes > > It was Michael Moorcock with DC promoting his new Michael Moorcock's > Multiverse comic! He had a panel in which he did nothing but field questions > from the audience (he didn't even plug his new series! he actually just took > questions from the audience! it was so refreshing!). One of the questions I > asked him was... are you Smiling Michael with the Black Motorcycle from Days > of the Underground? Didn't know Michael Moorcock had a comic. What is it called exactly? Strider From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jul 26 01:58:53 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 05:58:53 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.055853.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Didn't know Michael Moorcock had a comic. What is it called exactly? > > Strider --------- Well, I gots the latest issue of Previews with the full lowdown here:: It's called "Michael Moorcock's Multiverse" and it's written by the man himself specially for comix. It's published under DC's Helix imprint and has art by Walt Simonson, John Ridgeway and Mark Reeve. It's a 12 issue series slated to start this fall. It looks damn good, and if you (or anyone) have any questions about Moorccock's previous comics work feel free to ask me. I got tons 'o it... I'm a crazed collector...hihihihihi,,,, Christian. "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jul 26 02:15:13 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:15:13 -0000 Subject: In Case Of Sonic Attack On Your District Follow These Rules Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.061513.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Well well well, it's 4 AM and the world is still made of shit. I live on a main street and it's always fun to blast neighbors with annoying music clear out of the water when they decide it's time to to losen up their ties and play some Bon Jovi for the weekend. Really, they do it because they think they are cool! HA!! I decide to give 'em a double dose 'o riff-o-rama 70's groove destruction with UFO's "Prince Kajuku" and Third World War's "Preaching Violence" at full bass-o-destructo volume with wide open windows. They give up immediatly and I'm free to pass out undisturbed on the livingroom floor for a couple of hours. I wake up two hours later to the sound of Europe and decide to bring out the cavalry. I break out Hawkwind's Space Ritual and give them a remastered dose of "Master Of The Universe" and "Welcome To The Future" at a maddenlingly earbleeding volume. They shut up. Good. I continue with "You Shouldn't Do That" just to nail it in and they are still quiet. Good. I top it off with "Sonic Attack", and pray they get going again soon so I can break out my Black Sabbath records. I'll have to quote Fear on this: "I love livin' in the city" - may they pray I don't break out their records too.... Burning the midnight sun, Christian --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Sat Jul 26 05:30:24 1997 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 01:30:24 -0800 Subject: HW: Archives Of Space Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.013024.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hello, there Just thought I would mention this new release called Archives Of Space which is on Cleopatras new lable Purple Pyramid. I did the graphic design and artwork, the painting on the cover is hanging in my room, He He. If seems like I am bragging it is because it was a fun spacy experence and I am not as lucky as you assh****s that are going to the Strang Daze. later, Baron ARCHIVES OF SPACE Cosmic Couriers: Culture In a Small Room Brainticket: Jardins Hawkwind: We Do It Cluster: Phoenix Arizona #1 Mother Gong: Wapu Amon Duul II: Utopia No. 1 Guru Guru: Der LSD-March Holger Czukay: Float Space Pressurehed: Altitude Chrome: Zombie Warfare Magick Mushroom Band: Hubbly Bubbly Farflung: Landing on Cydonia ___________________________________________.__ _.. . . . spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ___________________________________________.__ _.. . . . From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jul 26 10:08:12 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:08:12 +0800 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.220812.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > It looks damn good, and if you (or anyone) have > any > questions about Moorccock's previous comics work feel free to ask me. > I got > tons 'o it... I'm a crazed collector...hihihihihi,,,, > Hi there Do you have much of his early comics material. I have quite a few issues of Boy's Own, which has Wrath of the Gods (by Moorcock) in it. Is his other work, such as Tarzan, hard to find? William From makila at CSC.FI Sat Jul 26 10:07:15 1997 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:07:15 +0300 Subject: OFF: Stick (was Re: HW: SR Q's) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:33:37 EDT." <21DB3DC16B9@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.170715.0300.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Ted's message dated: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:33:37 EDT > > The Stick I'm not sure of, but at least 8. I think they come in > various configurations... The Stick has 10 strings. There is also the Grand Stick which has 12 strings. I think the neck has two truss rods to better keep the wide neck in good shape. ObCDPlayerWithStickOnIt: Sylvian/Fripp: Damage //niko From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jul 26 12:19:46 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:19:46 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.161946.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > questions about Moorccock's previous comics work feel free to ask me. > > I got > > tons 'o it... I'm a crazed collector...hihihihihi,,,, > > > > Hi there > > Do you have much of his early comics material. I have quite a few issues > of Boy's Own, which has Wrath of the Gods (by Moorcock) in it. Is his > other work, such as Tarzan, hard to find? > > William You got me there :-) the earliest Moorcock related comics work I have are issues of International Times from '69 with the Jerry Cornelius strips, and I have all his 70's and beyond comic stuff. I'm pretty sure the early work you mention is hard to find - we're talking late 50's, maybe 1960 right? Most of that stuff was considered pretty disposable at the time... who were the artists involved?? Is there a trace of Elric in his Tarzan :-) BTW Do you know anything about Druillet's pirated Elric comic that came out in the mid-late 60's? I know Moorcock took the publishers to court and won, and thus had it withdrawn. If anyone has this or can make copies I'll trade an arm and a leg! Christian --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jul 26 10:48:40 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:48:40 +0800 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.224840.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > Do you have much of his early comics material. I have quite a few > issues > > of Boy's Own, which has Wrath of the Gods (by Moorcock) in it. Is > his > > other work, such as Tarzan, hard to find? > > > > William > > You got me there :-) the earliest Moorcock related comics work I > have are > issues of International Times from '69 with the Jerry Cornelius > strips, and > I have all his 70's and beyond comic stuff. I'm pretty sure the early > work > you mention is hard to find - we're talking late 50's, maybe 1960 > right? > Most of that stuff was considered pretty disposable at the time... who > were > the artists involved?? Is there a trace of Elric in his Tarzan :-) > I haven't seen anything of the Tarzan strip apart from a photo of a cover in a book I have. I have an adaptation of Jewel in the Skull by James Cawthorn. It also has an interview with him where he says that he was the Tarzan artist, so there may be some similarity after all! > BTW Do you know anything about Druillet's pirated Elric comic that > came out > in the mid-late 60's? I know Moorcock took the publishers to court and > won, > and thus had it withdrawn. If anyone has this or can make copies I'll > trade > an arm and a leg! I haven't heard of that one, but I would love to see it, as I am rather fond of Druillet's work. William From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sat Jul 26 15:41:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (C Mumford) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:41:41 -0000 Subject: Days of the underground/talk to Michael Moorcock! Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.194141.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > > Do you have much of his early comics material. I have quite a few > > issues > > > of Boy's Own, which has Wrath of the Gods (by Moorcock) in it. What is Wrath Of The Gods like? Would you be willing to work out some trade of photocopies of something (if possible)? > > > I haven't seen anything of the Tarzan strip apart from a photo of a > cover in a book I have. I have an adaptation of Jewel in the Skull by > James Cawthorn. It also has an interview with him where he says that he > was the Tarzan artist, so there may be some similarity after all! I knew I'd seen something on that somewhere. I'm not too big on Cawthorn's work, but I really liked his Jewel In The Skull adaptation. I can't imagine him doing Tarzan though! In "Death Is No Obstacle" Moorcock discusses some of his early comics work too which is interesting. > > BTW Do you know anything about Druillet's pirated Elric comic that > > came out > > in the mid-late 60's? I know Moorcock took the publishers to court and > > won, > > and thus had it withdrawn. If anyone has this or can make copies I'll > > trade > > an arm and a leg! > > I haven't heard of that one, but I would love to see it, as I am rather > fond of Druillet's work. Anybody? Christian > William --------- "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Julian Cope From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jul 26 21:09:18 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:09:18 +0100 Subject: In Case Of Sonic Attack On Your District Follow These Rules In-Reply-To: C Mumford's message of Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.020918.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> C Mumford writes: > windows. They give up immediatly and I'm free to pass out undisturbed on > the livingroom floor for a couple of hours. I wake up two hours later to > the sound of Europe and decide to bring out the cavalry. I break out > Hawkwind's Space Ritual and give them a remastered dose of "Master Of The > Universe" and "Welcome To The Future" at a maddenlingly earbleeding volume. > They shut up. Good. I continue with "You Shouldn't Do That" just to nail it Ha! I haven't had to use Hawkwind yet but this brings back memories of when I was assaulted on a daily basis by some twat playing mindless pap (sorry pop) music on his radio in the echoing stairwell of my flat and I finally retaliated by playing some of my favourite symphonic classical albums at as high a volume as the speakers could stand with my front door wide open. No further problems! jill Obdubiousbenefit> having to wake up at 8am on a Sunday just to travel for a holiday - and this is supposed to be fun.....? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jul 26 21:15:15 1997 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:15:15 +0100 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:47:10 +0200 Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.021515.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Goodbye Rudy. You gave us all a part of you while you were here. We will remember you and miss you. peace jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Sat Jul 26 22:41:41 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:41:41 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.224141.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Thank you Rudy for the tapes you sent, and never asking for anything in return. I, for one, will miss you, even though we never met in person. I will think of you whenever I watch the vids you sent. May your experiences in the next realm all be happy. Sorrowfully, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Sat Jul 26 22:48:08 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:48:08 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind vinyl search Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.224808.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have a friend who is searching for mint/mint+ condition copies of the following He will pay generously for these items as he is a rabbid collector: 1) Hassan I Sahba/Damnation Alley Pt.2 7" 2) Church of Hawkwind 12" 3) Dave Brock Agents of Chaos (lighter printed version) 12" also there is an offer for anyone not wanting to lose their only copy of one of the above items: my friend will send a VG+ copy of any of the above plus trade other rare items for the mint version of it. any takers e-mail me and i'll forward it Thanks bl From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sat Jul 26 18:08:24 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:08:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze rules etc. Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.170824.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Regarding the Strange Daze festival... does anyone know what the deal is in terms of leaving and coming back in? I'm almost certainly going (if my car can survive the trip) but I'm wondering, if I pay to enter, will I be allowed to come and go at will without having to pay again? I don't have a tent and I'm not particularly looking forward to being imprisoned for two days... Also, another question. Has the Love in Space EP been released for the general public yet? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sat Jul 26 23:25:02 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:25:02 -0700 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <SAT.26.JUL.1997.202502.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> ---------- > > > This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob > Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of > cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. > I just thought that you all should know......... > > > Scott Heller I'm sorry. I never e-mailed Bob privately, but he was a favorite of mine here on BOC-L. Always light-hearted, humorous and easy-going. And knowledgable. R.I.P., Bob. Charlie From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sun Jul 27 05:05:15 1997 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:05:15 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: Portland, Oregon 9/26 Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.020515.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Well, I just got back from seeing The Brain Surgeons in downtown Portland tonight. They were great, a lot of fun to see. I didn't keep track of the set list, but they played about half their songs and half BOC songs. They also had a special guest, Richard Meltzer, who came on stage and read one of his poems while they made quiet noise in the background (and a very weird poem it was). On "I Play the Drums" Al came running around the whole place and played the drums on just about every table that had someone sitting there, as well as many other surfaces around. I thought that was pretty neat and fun, but the guys behind me thought it was stupid and immature, so they left. The place, Berbati's Pan, was tiny, but still seemed pretty empty with only around 30-40 people there. Maybe it's normally more crowded, but there was a brew festival in a nearby park this afternoon, so lots of Portlanders were probably home passed out by then. It was great fun. The last live music I'd seen was in 1975 when my parents took me (around 5 years old) to a bunch of concerts in Central Park... Though I was a little uncomfortable, being in a bar by myself for teh first time... -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 27 16:28:54 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:28:54 BST Subject: trade for Nikxtar CD? Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.162854.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I seem to be having some probs getting email to the Web site so if any of our Baltic members would be interested in setting up a trade for two copies of the Nikxtar CD then please get in touch ASAP. Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 27 16:36:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:36:31 BST Subject: Hawkwind vinyl search In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.163631.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Bob Lennon writes: > I have a friend who is searching for mint/mint+ condition copies > of the following > He will pay generously for these items as he is a rabbid collector: > 1) Hassan I Sahba/Damnation Alley Pt.2 7" Aren't we all? Has anyone on this list actually got a copy of the HIS single? > 2) Church of Hawkwind 12" This is actually around in Record Collector occasionally at around 30 quid. I also saw it in the records tent at Glastonbury. I should still have the mail address of the shop if your pal is interested in a trade? > 3) Dave Brock Agents of Chaos (lighter printed version) 12" I haven't noticed this one around in a while. What's the distinction re the print? > also there is an offer for anyone not wanting to lose their only copy > of one of the above items: my friend will send a VG+ copy of any of > the above plus trade other rare items for the mint version of it. > any takers e-mail me and i'll forward it If your pal wants to trade anything for the HIS single, other than of course another HIS simngle which I don't have, then I'd be most interested. I'd also be interested in trading for a tape of Damnation Alley part II track as I need the info for the codex. Is it just lifted as a straight cut from Damnation Alley? > Thanks > bl FoFP From ianfines at JUNO.COM Sun Jul 27 12:27:54 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:27:54 -0400 Subject: HW: UK Roswell gig Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.122754.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have just phoned up Earl's Court >and >they say the event is cancelled, so I guess HW will not be playing >here >then, possibly freeing them to do the US gig. > >Mike w > This makes me very, very happy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Fines IanFines at juno.com members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/o/bloomdidobaddegrasse.html From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Sun Jul 27 13:14:03 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:14:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: Dr. Feelgood CDs? Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.111403.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> What with the ongoing "vault digging" and releasing on CD of material from older and maybe "less successful (commercial)" groups (by Rhino and others)--has anyone seen any CD reissues for the English group from the 70's, Dr. Feelgood? Have you UKers seen anything? Thanks. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Sun Jul 27 18:15:39 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:15:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dr. Feelgood CDs? In-Reply-To: <v01510101b000de7cd21e@[208.131.137.235]> Message-ID: <SUN.27.JUL.1997.221539.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 11:14 27.07.97 -0600, you wrote: >What with the ongoing "vault digging" and releasing on CD of material from >older and maybe "less successful (commercial)" groups (by Rhino and >others)--has anyone seen any CD reissues for the English group from the >70's, Dr. Feelgood? Have you UKers seen anything? > >Thanks. > >James Coburn >Albuquerque, NM I'm sure they are out. Blackmail in the UK lists them in the latest catalogue. Christian PS: are you THE James Coburn???? :-) From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Mon Jul 28 03:37:04 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:37:04 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Portland, Oregon 9/26 Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.033704.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> (crosspost from tBS AOL folder) Berbati's Pan, Portland Oregon 7/26/97 Cities On Flame St. Vitus Dance Gun A Kiss is a Promise Laura'a Plastic Swords Gimme Nothin? My Civilization I Play the Drums Tender Was the Night (with Richard Meltzer) Dominance and Submission Death Valley Nights The Red and the Black Still reeling from how smoking this show was...the only way it could have been better was if it was longer, and tBS packed such a tremendous wallop into the hour they had that it wasn't even a consideration. A crew of first-class musicians and extraordinarily gracious people doing a clutch of their best material, with about twice the impact of the (already formidable) recorded versions. Anyone who has a chance to catch any of their remaining shows on this West Coast swing and fails to do so will be bitching about it to their grandchildren. Will try to post some details of the show tomorrow. SF on Tuesday! -Chris Baker From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 28 07:51:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:51:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Stick Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.075151.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Niko Makila <makila at CSC.FI> > > Ted's message dated: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:33:37 EDT > > > > The Stick I'm not sure of, but at least 8. I think they come in > > various configurations... > > The Stick has 10 strings. There is also the Grand Stick which has 12 > strings. I think the neck has two truss rods to better keep the wide > neck in good shape. > > ObCDPlayerWithStickOnIt: Sylvian/Fripp: Damage > > //niko Say, have you heard the neew disc with Tony Levin, Steve Stevens and [I think] Terry Bozzio? Steve is out of this world... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 28 07:54:42 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:54:42 EDT Subject: In Case Of Sonic Attack On Your District Follow These Rules Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.075442.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> > Well well well, it's 4 AM and the world is still made of shit. I live on a > main street and it's always fun to blast neighbors with annoying music > clear out of the water when they decide it's time to to losen up their ties > and play some Bon Jovi for the weekend. Really, they do it because they > think they are cool! HA!! I decide to give 'em a double dose 'o riff-o-rama > 70's groove destruction with UFO's "Prince Kajuku" and Third World War's > "Preaching Violence" at full bass-o-destructo volume with wide open > windows. They give up immediatly and I'm free to pass out undisturbed on > the livingroom floor for a couple of hours. I wake up two hours later to > the sound of Europe and decide to bring out the cavalry. I break out > Hawkwind's Space Ritual and give them a remastered dose of "Master Of The > Universe" and "Welcome To The Future" at a maddenlingly earbleeding volume. > They shut up. Good. I continue with "You Shouldn't Do That" just to nail it > in and they are still quiet. Good. I top it off with "Sonic Attack", and > pray they get going again soon so I can break out my Black Sabbath records. > I'll have to quote Fear on this: "I love livin' in the city" - may they > pray I don't break out their records too.... > > Burning the midnight sun, > > Christian > Christian, It's good to see you've graduated from cockroaches and sandcrabs to people! Keep up the good work, man... theo From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Jul 28 09:13:11 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:13:11 +0100 Subject: NIK: Big Green Gathering Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.141311.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> HI there, just a quick report about what the BGG was like. I turned up at the site on Friday night, and saw that I had missed ICU, who played on Thursday, and saw that Nik's allstars weren't due to play until Sunday evening, and rather than camp out on stony ground relying on sun warmed showers and organic toilets I retired to Bath until Sunday. The site was dead good, not crowded and with a relaxed ambiance. Plenty of healing massage meditation crafts if you like that sort of thing, more drumming workshops than you would believe. Anyway Nik was due to start at 10 pm, but they started setting up at this time. They actually started at 11. The band was Nik, captain baby face somebody or other on trumpet and another brass instrument looking like a bit like a trumpet, a guitarist, a drummer, a bassist and the guy who usually plays hammond organ. They played for an hour and a half, the bass player broke a string early on and while he was trying to replace it Nik played a flute piece called song to a cuckoo (or something similar) with clapping accompaniment. The bass player played the rest of the evening with 3 strings, which was quite an accomplishment. The songs were all cool jazz instrumentals, nice. They did a James Brown song, but I know not what. After the first 90 mins they were joined by Judge Trev and Commander Jim Hawkwman (wearing a cardiacs Tshirt). They played a ska number. Jim left the stage and the rest of them reverted to jazz stuff. It was interesting to hear Trev play in this set up, as his solos tended to be blues based and therefore more interesting (to me) than the other stuff. After another 30 mins Jim rejoined them for Bones of Elvis (which Nik said they'd done earlier, I guess with ICU on Thursday). After a total of 2 and a half hours they stopped. They played one final 'There's a fungus amongst us' and then stopped, planning to start playing elsewhere. As it was now so late everywhere else was closed, and I'm unsure if they found anywhere to set up, but I walked around the site and saw no sign of them. Trev said that the gig on Thursday was the first they've played (?), but they hope to go on tour with Poisoned Electric Head. He also said that they'd be playing at the big festival at the end of August. I looked in festival eye and didn't see an obvious festy, so does anyone know where he means? If any of my photos turn out I'll put them on the web. Cheers Mike w From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Jul 28 09:58:14 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:58:14 +0200 Subject: BOC: mailinglist Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.155814.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> hi! ...I'm back after a short vaccation... and I had 478 (!) unread mail to read when I came home... you bastards! ;-) Well, I've just checked the BOC online website and apparently there is a new BOC (-only) mailinglist. Has anyone of you joined it yet? If that's the case... is it any fun/good/interesting? ...I really question if it's necessary with another list... mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Jul 28 10:06:19 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:06:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: Dr. Feelgood CDs? Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.080619.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >At 11:14 27.07.97 -0600, you wrote: >>What with the ongoing "vault digging" and releasing on CD of material from >>older and maybe "less successful (commercial)" groups (by Rhino and >>others)--has anyone seen any CD reissues for the English group from the >>70's, Dr. Feelgood? Have you UKers seen anything? >> >>Thanks. >> >>James Coburn >>Albuquerque, NM > > >I'm sure they are out. Blackmail in the UK lists them in the latest catalogue. > >Christian > >PS: are you THE James Coburn???? :-) ********************************************************************* Thanks Christian for the info, I'll see if I can locate some of them. Re THE James Coburn, I am not Derek Flint nor the President's Analyst. When asked that question, I usually reply that I'm the unknown film actor having been in several short 16mm films. I did have the fortune to meet him two years ago. He is dynamic and has quite a "presence." He had a good laugh when I showed him my ID. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Jul 28 10:10:38 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:10:38 +0200 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.161038.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> His family and all his friends on this list have my deepest compassion. -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jul 28 11:04:43 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:04:43 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.110443.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> My sincere condolencenses to his family and friends. He will be missed. It is always such a shame when a life passes before its' time. Do we want to do any type of memorial to him? It can be something as simple as a musical tribute like the FZ newsgroup did for him on his first birthday after he passed on. (Everyone on the list was to play a particular Zappa track at the same time around the world. The song was "Watermelon in Easter Hay", which, despite the name, is a very sad blues number). We could all play his favorite track (or a mournful number such as "Last Days of May") as a tribute. Just trying to help... Sincerely and sadly, Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Scott Heller[SMTP:heller at HAGEDORN.DK] Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 11:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... This is really hard for me to tell you all but my good friend Bob Rudich, also know as Rudy or Rudy the Ferret on the BOC list has died of cancer. He passed on on august 11th and I know I will greatly miss him. I just thought that you all should know......... Scott Heller From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 28 11:31:48 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:31:48 -0600 Subject: I'll Miss Rudy Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.093148.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Sadly we all have our time and place. Rudy was an extraordinary guy, free to discuss and trade music, but not limited in his conversations and thoughts. We'd get together for dinner each time he made a trip to the DC area. Terriffic guy who'll I'll miss very much as we chatted daily. Some of you may not know this but Rudy has battled Lukemia for some time now. Last year he spent considerable time in a cancer clinic being treated. It all seemed in remission until a relapse a short while ago. Rudy had no children but is survived by a lovely wife and one brother that I know of. Will miss you Lord of Chaos, no day will ever be the same without a short note from you. Adrian I've seen a wind torn sky. And I've felt the river cry. And I've seen the old ones have their say. I've known the constitution. And I've seen a revolution. And I've seen the birds all fly away. I've climbed in the back and I've hung from the rack and I've died more that once on the way. And I've sat there in awe and I've seen myself fall and I've felt the full light of the day. On...my life going by. I've read confusing fiction. And lived a contradiction. And I've wondered where on earth I've been. I've known a love forever. A Truth I couldn't sever. A chord that flows a free as wind. I've stood on the mountain and drank from the fountain and poured it all out on the floor. Turned my back to the glory and walked the tenth story and come back to knock on your door. On...my life going by .... my life going on ... my life going by. King's X From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 28 11:54:52 1997 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Teri Cruzan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:54:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: mailinglist Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.115452.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have tried to subscribe to that BOC cool-list twice and apparently, it didnt work. Guess, I'll give it another go, think I am messing up with the confirmation reply, anyone else do it or have trouble. Thanks, Teri From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Mon Jul 28 15:57:47 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:57:47 +0000 Subject: In Case Of Sonic Attack On Your District Follow These Rules In-Reply-To: <2AE112653E6@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.195747.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I spouted gleefully early one morning: > I wake up two hours later to >> the sound of Europe and decide to bring out the cavalry. I break out >> Hawkwind's Space Ritual and give them a remastered dose of "Master Of The >> Universe" and "Welcome To The Future" at a maddenlingly earbleeding volume. >> They shut up. Good. I continue with "You Shouldn't Do That" just to nail it >> in and they are still quiet. Good. I top it off with "Sonic Attack", and >> pray they get going again soon so I can break out my Black Sabbath records. >Christian, >It's good to see you've graduated from cockroaches and sandcrabs to >people! Keep up the good work, man... >theo It used to be me and G.G. Allin against the world, now I continue alone! :) Seriously, I'm afraid I've posted way too many intoxicated and anti-social postings recently... Probably getting a little crazy in the summer heat, I'm usually a friendly person :-). I do not torture little animals (though cockroaches are the exception, and I've never seen any here), and I have a crazy old cat who's been my buddy (and my boss) for the past 16 years, and if nothing else he's the one who tortures me! Christian PS: ** G O D ** - you are next, pal! ObCalmingFriendlyGoodtimeCD: Gong _Angel's Egg_ From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 28 14:44:11 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:44:11 -0500 Subject: HW: UK Roswell gig Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.134411.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> -----Original Message----- From: Ian R Fines [SMTP:ianfines at JUNO.COM] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 1997 11:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: UK Roswell gig I have just phoned up Earl's Court >and >they say the event is canceled, so I guess HW will not be playing >here >then, possibly freeing them to do the US gig. > >Mike w > This makes me very, very happy! Hope this makes your day.... Aug. 24th Chicago, Cubby Bears Aug. 26th Lakewood (Cleveland) Phantasy Theater Aug. 29th NY Coney island High Aug. 30/31 Sherman, NY SummerDaze -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 28 15:51:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:51:07 -0400 Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.155107.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: Christian <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> > I spouted gleefully early one morning: > > > I wake up two hours later to > >> the sound of Europe and decide to bring out the cavalry. I break out > >> Hawkwind's Space Ritual and give them a remastered dose of "Master Of The > >> Universe" and "Welcome To The Future" at a maddenlingly earbleeding volume. > >> They shut up. Good. I continue with "You Shouldn't Do That" just to nail it > >> in and they are still quiet. Good. I top it off with "Sonic Attack", and > >> pray they get going again soon so I can break out my Black Sabbath records. > > > >Christian, > >It's good to see you've graduated from cockroaches and sandcrabs to > >people! Keep up the good work, man... > >theo > > It used to be me and G.G. Allin against the world, now I continue alone! :) > Seriously, I'm afraid I've posted way too many intoxicated and anti-social > postings recently... Probably getting a little crazy in the summer heat, > I'm usually a friendly person :-). I do not torture little animals (though > cockroaches are the exception, and I've never seen any here), and I have a > crazy old cat who's been my buddy (and my boss) for the past 16 years, and > if nothing else he's the one who tortures me! > > Christian > Right you are! My two bitches control more of my life than vice versa. 530am wake up calls for food and bladder relief, rush home to observe feeding schedules, spending more money on veterinary costs than cds this last year, including hyper expensive emergency room treatments when the ladies can't play together civilly... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 28 16:04:15 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:04:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: nature points out the folly of man... Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.210415.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have my mail program set up to display just the first few lines of a message before I read the whole of the text. So in my preview of Theo's post, I read this: >Right you are! My two bitches control more of my life than vice And I thought, didn't know Theo was into gangsta rap... :) - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - "Pedestal" EP -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jul 28 16:11:52 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:11:52 -0400 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970725215129.006a4618@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.161152.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > I am shocked!!!! > > Rudy was a real friend, and a very sympathetic person. > I had very often e-mail contact with him. And we traded some HAWKWIND stuff > We discussed lot of about HAWKWIND and SCIENCE FICTION and I always enjoyed > his intelligent mails > > We have lost a great friend I can echo Bernhard's sentiment; I only ever traded private e-mail with Rudy, not tapes or anything, but I always found him to be intelligent, witty, laid-back, pleasant, helpful, and polite in all our correspondence. Even when we were arguing opposing views, he maintained an amiable and engaging civility that is rare to find on the Internet nowadays. I'll miss him. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Mon Jul 28 16:53:49 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:53:49 CDT Subject: HW: HW touring the US (was RE: HW: UK Roswell gig) Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.155349.CDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Anyone know if HW is planning to expand the tour, to say, Kansas City (or Lawrence)? Afterall, Nik was here twice, and we're right on the way from Chicago to Denver :-) Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Monday, July 28, 1997 2:03 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: HW: UK Roswell gig -----Original Message----- From: Ian R Fines [SMTP:ianfines at JUNO.COM] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 1997 11:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: UK Roswell gig I have just phoned up Earl's Court >and >they say the event is canceled, so I guess HW will not be playing >here >then, possibly freeing them to do the US gig. > >Mike w > This makes me very, very happy! Hope this makes your day.... Aug. 24th Chicago, Cubby Bears Aug. 26th Lakewood (Cleveland) Phantasy Theater Aug. 29th NY Coney island High Aug. 30/31 Sherman, NY SummerDaze -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Mon Jul 28 17:09:41 1997 From: gs590 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:41 -0400 Subject: HW: UK Roswell gig Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.170941.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hello all hawkfans, I just got the latest on the Cleveland HW gig. It is going to be on Tue., Aug. 26 still scheduled for the Phantasy. As far as I know, it will be tickets at the door, but if I hear of any advance sales, possibly by the Phantasy people, I will let you know, and can purchase them for anyone wanting them from out of town, providing there is enough time to do it. THere will be a local opening act. Hopefully this will all remain unchanged. See you, Duane -- Back to the Earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the Earth I lived, and they all followed. Rusted Root From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jul 28 18:51:09 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:51:09 -0600 Subject: Off (sort of); Nash Bridges.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970728155857.18594B-100000@gromit.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.165109.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Did anybody catch last Friday's episode of Nash Bridges on CBS? Shows you how exciting a life I live, right? Anyways, Nash's( Don Johnson) ex-wife was remembering how when they were younger the neighbors did not approve of BLUE OYSTER CULT being played, not his cup of tea.... Just thought you should know.... God bless...Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jul 28 18:52:36 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:52:36 -0600 Subject: One Goldmine left... In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.95.970728155857.18594B-100000@gromit.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.165236.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I have one Goldmine (BOC cover) left, if anyone is interested.... e0mail me. Thanks.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Jul 28 19:56:12 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:56:12 EST Subject: OFF: trade for Nixtar CD also Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.185612.EST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I was unable to find any info on ordering the Nixtar CD-R show on either the SBm or Sonique's web site. Can anyone confirm the exact ordering data for me? (price, contact info, etc). FoFP appears to not be getting thru (email wise) to SBm either. If anyone decides to take him up on his offer to trade for this CD-R, please consider contacting me also. Perhaps I can provide some uncommon USA CDs in return? If anyone has any Darxtar live tapes for trade, I have a couple and would love to get more! I have plenty of HW tapes if that is what you'd prefer in return... please reply private. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Jul 28 21:08:19 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:08:19 -0600 Subject: Christian / Blackmail / Re: OFF: Dr. Feelgood CDs? Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.190819.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >At 11:14 27.07.97 -0600, you wrote: >>What with the ongoing "vault digging" and releasing on CD of material from >>older and maybe "less successful (commercial)" groups (by Rhino and >>others)--has anyone seen any CD reissues for the English group from the >>70's, Dr. Feelgood? Have you UKers seen anything? >> >>Thanks. >> >>James Coburn >>Albuquerque, NM > > >I'm sure they are out. Blackmail in the UK lists them in the latest catalogue. > >Christian > >PS: are you THE James Coburn???? :-) Christian, Sorry I didn't ask you this in my previous "thank you" post. Does "Blackmail" have a web site? How can I get a copy of their catalogue? My cursory scan through the "BOC" Goldmine didn't reveal any adverts. Thanks. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Mon Jul 28 21:16:30 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:16:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stick In-Reply-To: <2AE052F5ECF@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.211630.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Well to return this to the original question concerning is that Lemmy? Is that an 8 string bass? What's going on? I saw an interesting picture on the WWWhatusp Hawkwind Site check http://home.dti.net/joly/hawkwind/eggman.jpg You'll see first see a naked dancer guy a.k.a. eggman but the only visible person on stage could be Lemmy and what is that he's playing but a bass that could just possibly have 8 strings hmmm. And whose that off on the other side of the stage it looks somewhat no almost definately like Michael Moorcock is he in on this bass thing too? Just interested in other's thoughts. I remain Adam BTW what's going on with official Motorhead site? From ianfines at JUNO.COM Mon Jul 28 21:59:06 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:59:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong US Tour Dates Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.215906.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> After some totally extreme surfing, I found that Gong is going to be touring the west coast later in Sept.. You lucky bastards! Anyway, I guess Daevid is going to be doing a solo US tour as well in November... GONG / U.S. WEST COAST TOUR [Allen-Smyth-Malherbe-Sharpstrings-Howlett-Moerlen] Sep 09 - tba (USA) Sep 10 - Seattle, WA (USA), The Phoenix Sep 11 - Vancouver (Canada), Starfish Sep 12 - Portland, OR (USA), Crystal Ballroom Sep 13 - Eugene, OR (USA), WOW Hall Sep 14 - Santa Cruz, CA (USA), Breakroom Sep 15 - San Francisco, CA (USA), Great American Sep 16 - Los Angeles, CA (USA), tba Sep 17 - San Diego, CA (USA), Brick By Brick oh yeah, and to whoever posted the pressurehed dates...thanks a lot! (: IT never mentioned a Detroit show, and after looking at a local music rag today, I noticed that I had missed the band playing at one of my favorite small clubs (and I mean small). Must have been a last minute thing. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Jul 28 22:15:59 1997 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:15:59 +1000 Subject: trade for Nixtar CD also Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.121559.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> cjohnson wrote:- > I was unable to find any info on ordering the Nixtar CD-R show on > either the SBm or Sonique's web site. Can anyone confirm the exact > ordering data for me? (price, contact info, etc). Well, unless I'm mistaken, my CD says 96/100 which means that there are only 100 of them. Which would explain why not many people have heard of it. But I think they're planning a wider release in a little while - so there's probably opportunity to get it later, though. - Max Wilcox From squinn at PALMNET.NET Mon Jul 28 23:21:10 1997 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (squinn) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:21:10 -0400 Subject: Off (sort of); Nash Bridges.. Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.232110.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> New classic rock radio station came online recently - for one of their promos they give examples (sound bites) of what they consider classic rock - DFtR is the first song - Shawn From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jul 28 22:11:39 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:11:39 -0700 Subject: Bob Rudich has passed on.... Message-ID: <MON.28.JUL.1997.191139.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just read about this sad news... My deepest condolences to friends and family. Craig Shipley wrote: > Do we want to do any type of memorial to him? It can be something as simple > as a musical tribute like the FZ newsgroup did for him on his first > birthday after he passed on. (Everyone on the list was to play a particular > Zappa track at the same time around the world. The song was "Watermelon in > Easter Hay", which, despite the name, is a very sad blues number). We could > all play his favorite track (or a mournful number such as "Last Days of > May") as a tribute. Anything to keep memories alive. Jerry From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 29 10:02:16 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:02:16 BST Subject: OFF: trade for Nixtar CD also In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:56:12 EST Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.100216.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> cjohnson writes: > I was unable to find any info on ordering the Nixtar CD-R show on > either the SBm or Sonique's web site. Can anyone confirm the exact > ordering data for me? (price, contact info, etc). > > FoFP appears to not be getting thru (email wise) to SBm either. I did get through on darxtar at mail.algonet.se Turns out that Netscape mail is disabled so I just can't mail through the WWW pages. > Captain Cloud FoFP From mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET Tue Jul 29 07:12:43 1997 From: mikeg at ANIMAL.BLARG.NET (Michael Galvin) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:12:43 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: Portland, Oregon 9/26 In-Reply-To: <199707270905.CAA28099@kelly.teleport.com> Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.041243.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote: > Well, I just got back from seeing The Brain Surgeons in downtown Portland > tonight. They were great, a lot of fun to see. > > I didn't keep track of the set list, but they played about half their songs > and half BOC songs. They also had a special guest, Richard Meltzer, who > came on stage and read one of his poems while they made quiet noise in the > background (and a very weird poem it was). I had a great time at this show as well. I was happy to finally see them out west. It is pretty amazing that the show went down considering the kind of effort the band made to get out here. Albert appears to handle every part of the operation, from driving the gear and setting it up to playing and dealing with merchandise and fans. Seeing Richard Meltzer added a nice touch to the show. Albert hugged him when he introduced him and said, "thirty years man". I think Meltzer responded by looking at some guy in the audience and saying, "longer than you've been alive". They started their set with" Cities on Flame" and followed with: Gun Kiss is a Promise Laura's Plastic Swords Gimme Lovin' My Civilization I Play the Drums Tender Was the Night (middle break w/ Meltzer) Dominance Death Valley Nights Red and Black I may be leaving out a tune at the end, but I think I got everything. As the show progessed, it seemed like a bit of a buzz was developing, kind of like....these guys are good!! One thing that left a real strong impression on me was the pleasant reminder of BOC w/Al. It has been so long since I've seen them with him. I appreciate his approach to the drums. It was like, "oh yea, that's how it's done". :-) Everyone in the band was very friendly and seemed to be enjoying them- selves at the show. I hope they make it back again someday. Skip From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 29 07:32:08 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:32:08 EDT Subject: Basses and strings and picks (oh my) Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.073208.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > Too much! Around the same time, my band did RU, Godzilla, BTBW, > > DFtR, and We Gott Get Out [SEE-style]. Our Bass player also used a > > SVT w/2 cabs. I hadn't heard of HW, but I'm sure our drummer was a > > fan, as he was a big-time prog rocker and didn't really fit with us > > metal boys... > > Theo! > > We're we in the same band? This is too weird. We also played We Gott Get > Out [SEE-style], but I'd forgot about that one. I'm guessing you're a > guitar player? We ought to jam sometime. Where do you live? (I no longer > have the SVT and cabs, my band made me get rid of them) > > Brad Brad, I'm way the fuck up in Syracuse NY. I'd love to do some BOC-style jamming. The only music that sails in this town is Blues. Which I like to play, but it's kind of boring. And I can't really let it rip BD-style, which is my natural inclination. Hey, I think Danny was using SVT cabs a couple weeks ago when I saw BOC! Anyway, back in the old days, we really did the BOC material up right. I used an e-bow for Reaper and Godzilla, the whole works. I played like Buck, but dressed like Bloom: shades, leather clothes, s/m imagery. Ahh, those were the days... ted From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jul 29 07:33:56 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:33:56 +1000 Subject: OFF: trade for Nixtar CD also Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.213356.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 28 Jul 97 at 18:56, cjohnson wrote: > I was unable to find any info on ordering the Nixtar CD-R show on > either the SBm or Sonique's web site. Can anyone confirm the exact > ordering data for me? (price, contact info, etc). The reason is simple - it's not official (yet). Only a few copies (of the planned 100) have been pressed and no-one is supposed to know that it's available yet. The Commander (K.S?ren Bengsston) usually replies to his email promptly, so I'd say that he's just away at the moment. Be patient. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jul 29 08:56:15 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:56:15 -0400 Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... In-Reply-To: <2B6023C78C1@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Jul 28, 97 03:51:07 pm Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.085615.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Man you have some rough cats Theo! :-) Mine's about eleven years old, and she's a perfect lady (though she growls when visitors knock on the door). :-) Guido obCDplayer--Album of the Year by Faith No More -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 29 11:00:29 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:00:29 EDT Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.110029.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Guido Vacano <gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU> > Man you have some rough cats Theo! :-) Mine's about eleven years old, and > she's a perfect lady (though she growls when visitors knock on the door). :-) > > Guido > Well, they're dogs, actually, two female Dobermans! But I've got more scars from playing with my Siamese [who died at the age of 20 a couple years ago] than I ever got from all my Dobies put together... They just can't agree over who's tougher... theo From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Jul 29 11:03:34 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:03:34 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Portland, Oregon 9/26 Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.110334.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> (further crosspost from tBS AOL folder re: Berbati's Pan 9/26 show) There was apparently some confusion over who was headlining the show, or at least who would play last. That spot went to Gravelpit, a local outfit. The word was that they had a strong local following, but it really wasn?t in evidence; the place got more crowded as the night went on but it seemed to me that a lot of people were just drifting in. There was a brewer?s festival in town, and some of the overflow spilled into Berbati?s, although the majority were deflected by the five-dollar cover charge. I had never been to Portland and was having difficulty getting a fix on the makeup of the local populace. Some of this was due to the area that the club was in ? the blocks west of there got funky pretty quick, and some of the resultant juxtapositions I found bordered on the surreal. I saw a lot of couples and knots of girls who appeared to have wandered in from a frat party at a small southern college (geographically this makes no sense, but there you have it), alongside young bohemian types who were either a lot more or less self-conscious about it than their SF counterparts (couldn?t decide which). I arrived at the bar around six, planning on scoping out the place and then going out to get something to eat. However when my eyes adjusted to the darkness I saw Albert onstage, where the guy who is their one-man road crew was setting stuff up. So I ended up hanging out for the rest of the night, as some more fans down from Washington state showed up and then the rest of the band arrived. It was odd meeting Albert in that I know the voice and face so well that I had forgotten I didn?t know him?if that makes any sense. What was odd was that it didn?t seem odd, but he has a very serene demeanor (when he?s not near those drums) and perhaps that was part of the reason. TBS did a run-through of "St. Vitus Dance" for the soundcheck that gave a pretty good idea of how good the show was going to be, and it was wild to see Albert playing again. I?d seen him 12 times with BOC and it was a trip to see his playing style again. The main difference is that I think he?s a lot better now than he was then. The time limitation apparently led to the unfortunate jettisoning of "Donkey Show", as well as the "Overture", which they actually had last on the set list but could not get the time to play. Deb looked great and sounded better. Good guitar-slinging too, she claimed to have played some wrong chords but I didn't hear 'em. I guess these critics always have to pick apart performers' work... Great guitar sounds from the two leads, who both smoked...Pete's solo on "A Kiss is a Promise" and Billy's shredding of the "Red and the Black" break were particularly memorable. And Dave's bass was the underpinning of an overall sound that was crisp, crunching and very very powerful. "Death Valley Nights" was beautiful as well, Deb on the drums for this one. Hearing the acoustic version had really made me want to hear this and I'm glad it made it into the set. The breakdown at the end is just perfect. Albert as always was a great showman, whether roaming the room beating the hell out of everything, taking a well-timed and crowd-pleasing water break during "Laura's Plastic Swords" or wrestling a guitar around in a manner I hadn't seen since the five-guitar lineup. And as I said earlier, his drumming is better than it used to be, and I can't think of higher praise. During "Tender Was the Night" the band throttled down and Albert brought up Richard Meltzer, sharing the stage with him for the first time in 30 years. He read four pieces, concerning suggested ways to kill him, Kerouac not driving, devils at a Texas truck stop and sex on the linoleum, among other topics. The guy still covers a lot of ground in a short space. He said that he was giving these to Albert for possible use as lyrics. Later he heckled the band with repeated requests for "Born to be Wild". He claimed to me that he couldn't remember the genesis of his fixation with Borneo, that Portland was a place "outside history" and that he wrote "Laura's Plastic Swords" 30 years ago and the only thing he remembers about it was that it had an instruction that "swords" was to be pronounced "smords", although he didn't remember why. Beautiful. What a thrill to meet him, and I mean it. -Chris Baker From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Jul 29 11:12:46 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:12:46 +0100 Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.161246.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> re : animals & music I have 10 cats, who all seem spooked & leave the room when I play 'Levitation'. Now this can be one of 2 reasons :- a) my cats fall in the "we can't stand this prog rock bull" camp of HW listeners, or b) I heard someone say there ere some sub sonics on this album. p'haps they can hear this ? Cheers Neil. From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jul 29 14:06:10 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:06:10 +0000 Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... In-Reply-To: <2C92ACA656B@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.180610.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> >Well, they're dogs, actually, two female Dobermans! But I've got >more scars from playing with my Siamese [who died at the age of 20 a >couple years ago] than I ever got from all my Dobies put together... > >They just can't agree over who's tougher... > >theo > My old cat is a white siamese with orange markings, quite rare apparantly - he was mysteriously found lost in the woods as a kitten - if we hadn't neutered him we could have gotten rich breeding them (hey, some animals got it made in the hands of greedy humans huh? Let's just hope the martians invade and start forcing us into massive breeding orgies and give us lots of free drugs and beer). Anyway, my arms are covered in scars, he used to be King of The Back Alley, but now he's The Mangy Old Retired Admiral kinda. He took a dive from our second floor window some years ago, dented our car with his head and knocked both his upper fangs out (well, in - autolobotomy! The vet had to dig 'em out of his sinuses..). Hey, just to stay on topic - he likes TV, and the dancers on Hawkwind's Chaos video got him rockin and boppin hard! Christian ObLiveTape: Hawkwind _Reading University 05/19/92_ From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Tue Jul 29 14:05:57 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:05:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Blackmail (Re: OFF: Dr. Feelgood CDs?) In-Reply-To: <v01510101b0029e4ca9e3@[208.131.137.242]> Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.180557.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> James Coburn exclaimed as he fired another machine gun salvo eastward through the mustard gas haze: >Sorry I didn't ask you this in my previous "thank you" post. Does >"Blackmail" have a web site? How can I get a copy of their catalogue? My >cursory scan through the "BOC" Goldmine didn't reveal any adverts. As a splinter bomb dropped by a swooping burning biplane explodes and the men duck for cover, Christian bursts out, before he is impaled through the chest by a stuffed swordfish placed in the trenches by private Baldrick, and drops his recently lit homegrown cigar in the crimson stained mud: "You can try emailing them at music-mail-order at blacmail.demon.co.uk. They have a website, but it's not listed in their catalogue (I can't find it anywhere anyway). You can also try to write them at: Blackmail Freepost (TK 974) PO Box 9 Brentford, Middx TW8 8BR England They have a really wide and tasteful selection of stuff, from the extremely obscure to popular and good prices. And of course they have some Hawkwind and BOC stuff :-)" "Hope this helps - AAArgh!" Christian From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Jul 29 12:44:39 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:44:39 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: Portland, Oregon 9/26 Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.094439.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hey, I was there too. It must be that half the audience was made of members from this list. It was cool to finally see Meltzer. He looks like just another crusty NWer (long hair, greying beard) but when he speaks, reveals a decidedly dark aesthetic sense. I will have to search out his book. I overheard him say that he has joined the Portland band Smegma, which is a noisy, dada-istic gaggle of aging misfits who periodically erupt like a pimple on the face of the Portland music scene. I think they are playing this Thursday at the same club. Chris From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Jul 29 14:14:53 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:14:53 -0700 Subject: Gong US Tour Dates Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.111453.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> ---------- > > After some totally extreme surfing, I found that Gong is going to be > touring the west coast later in Sept.. You lucky bastards! Well, it damn well serves you right! When was the last time HW played So. Cal? '94? Or any other band that could be labeled "Space Rock", for that matter? Charlie Anyway, I > guess Daevid is going to be doing a solo US tour as well in November... > > GONG / U.S. WEST COAST TOUR > > > [Allen-Smyth-Malherbe-Sharpstrings-Howlett-Moerlen] > > Sep 09 - tba (USA) > Sep 10 - Seattle, WA (USA), The Phoenix > Sep 11 - Vancouver (Canada), Starfish > Sep 12 - Portland, OR (USA), Crystal Ballroom > Sep 13 - Eugene, OR (USA), WOW Hall > Sep 14 - Santa Cruz, CA (USA), Breakroom > Sep 15 - San Francisco, CA (USA), Great American > Sep 16 - Los Angeles, CA (USA), tba > Sep 17 - San Diego, CA (USA), Brick By Brick > > > oh yeah, and to whoever posted the pressurehed dates...thanks a lot! (: > IT never mentioned a Detroit show, and after looking at a local music rag > today, I noticed that I had missed the band playing at one of my favorite > small clubs (and I mean small). > Must have been a last minute thing. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jul 29 15:42:13 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:42:13 +0200 Subject: off:nature points out the folly of man... Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.214213.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Yes, yes, yes!!! I like this thread! I remember the one we had 1,5 years ago about cats who are urinating indoors... I still have all the mails on that topic saved... Well, my little monster is called Pentax -he's orange, he attacks my friends and has made some of them really scared of him... and he still likes to pee on the floor... Sometimes I think it's time to let him meet his creator just because if this... but I can't do it, he's so young -only 2 years old... and, even more important, I love the bastard! And he's also a BOC/HW fan. He loves to lie on the table in the living room, when there's a party going on, surrounded by vodka and beer bottles and listen to some _loud_ blanga... and of course to attack my visitors now and then... jajamensan -Daniel >>> >>Well, they're dogs, actually, two female Dobermans! But I've got >>more scars from playing with my Siamese [who died at the age of 20 a >>couple years ago] than I ever got from all my Dobies put together... >> >>They just can't agree over who's tougher... >> >>theo >> > >My old cat is a white siamese with orange markings, quite rare apparantly - >he was mysteriously found lost in the woods as a kitten - if we hadn't >neutered him we could have gotten rich breeding them (hey, some animals got >it made in the hands of greedy humans huh? Let's just hope the martians >invade and start forcing us into massive breeding orgies and give us lots >of free drugs and beer). Anyway, my arms are covered in scars, he used to >be King of The Back Alley, but now he's The Mangy Old Retired Admiral >kinda. He took a dive from our second floor window some years ago, dented >our car with his head and knocked both his upper fangs out (well, in - >autolobotomy! The vet had to dig 'em out of his sinuses..). Hey, just to >stay on topic - he likes TV, and the dancers on Hawkwind's Chaos video got >him rockin and boppin hard! > >Christian > > >ObLiveTape: Hawkwind _Reading University 05/19/92_ > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 29 16:47:04 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:47:04 -0600 Subject: Tribute Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.144704.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Do we want to do any type of memorial to him? It can be something as simple as a musical tribute like the FZ newsgroup did for him on his first birthday after he passed on. (Everyone on the list was to play a particular Zappa track at the same time around the world. The song was "Watermelon in Easter Hay", which, despite the name, is a very sad blues number). We could all play his favorite track (or a mournful number such as "Last Days of May") as a tribute. Just trying to help... Sincerely and sadly, >Craig Shipley ================================================ I like this idea Craig and would be willing to join in. I'd prefer something like Queensryche's Silent Lucidity over Last Days of May but will happily go along with the majority of folks who are interested in doing something like this. lil' ab RR "There's a place I like to hide A doorway that I run through in the night Relax child, you were there But only didn't realize it and you were scared It's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension I-will be watching over you I-am gonna help you see it through I-will protect you in the night I-am smiling next to you...in silent lucidity " From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 29 17:16:08 1997 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:16:08 -0400 Subject: Gong US Tour Dates Message-ID: <TUE.29.JUL.1997.171608.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hi All... >> GONG / U.S. WEST COAST TOUR >> >> [Allen-Smyth-Malherbe-Sharpstrings-Howlett-Moerlen] >> >> Sep 09 - tba (USA) >> Sep 10 - Seattle, WA (USA), The Phoenix >> Sep 11 - Vancouver (Canada), Starfish >> Sep 12 - Portland, OR (USA), Crystal Ballroom >> Sep 13 - Eugene, OR (USA), WOW Hall >> Sep 14 - Santa Cruz, CA (USA), Breakroom >> Sep 15 - San Francisco, CA (USA), Great American >> Sep 16 - Los Angeles, CA (USA), tba Ticketmaster Online has a listing for this date. It says the gig is at (?) 'Billboard Live' (9039 Sunset Blvd., W. Hollywood, CA). FYI. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Enjoy the gigs......have a cuppa tea! ObCD: Fish - Sunsets on Empire (now available in US...as is Fish in person) From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Jul 30 09:32:42 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:32:42 EDT Subject: HW: Acid Daze CDs Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.093242.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Since I did so well soliciting your advice on the EMI remasters, I thought I'd ask for some opinions on the three Acid Daze CDs, cleverly titled _Volume 1_, _Volume 2_, and _Volume 3_. Just going by the track- lists in the Hawkwind discography, these disks seem to have the biggest bang for the buck in terms of unreleased tracks, or unreleased versions of tracks. How is the sound quality? Are these really scraping the bottom of the Hawkwind barrel, or is there some worthwhile material there? 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Just going by the track- > lists in the Hawkwind discography, these disks seem > to have the biggest bang for the buck in terms of > unreleased tracks, or unreleased versions of tracks. > How is the sound quality? Are these really scraping > the bottom of the Hawkwind barrel, or is there some > worthwhile material there? You can check the codex for track versions. At one point there was a double CD with all 3 acid daze/anthology albums on 'em. If you need a copy of the codex then just email me. P.S. To others, the Codex has been updated to include the latest stuff. Someone did mention that there's a new Sporit of the Age anthology out (who?) but I haven't seen this so I don't know if it's the same traclist as the previous CD of that title. Also I still haven't seen the Silver Machine compilation on Legacy? Does anyone have this or a tracklist? Cheers FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 25 04:43:03 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:43:03 +0100 Subject: Off: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? In-Reply-To: <199707242323.TAA29202@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: <FRI.25.JUL.1997.094303.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> In article <199707242323.TAA29202 at ren.globecomm.net>, C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> writes >Christian (drunk loser-sorry boc-l Iand myself i'm gonna regret posting >this )) Bravo! More! A round of applause, please, for a wonderful post. Excellente! -- Jon Browne From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 30 11:55:43 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:55:43 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Sonic Attack 2001 In-Reply-To: <01BC9CF6.89CF8DE0@host5-99-46-61.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.155543.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> as anyone out there gotten Nik Turner's Sonic Attack?? Of his solo stuff I have Xitintoday ( a dub, 78), which is great, the IMO decrepid Prophets of Time and brilliant Past Or Future... I want to get his Space Ritual too, I hear it's good. Anyway, what about his Sonic Attack 2000??? Christian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 30 09:56:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:56:02 +0100 Subject: HW: HawXtar In-Reply-To: <199707251223.IAA11068@ren.globecomm.net> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.145602.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> In article <199707251223.IAA11068 at ren.globecomm.net>, C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> writes >Hey anyone else out >there like FNM or Mr. Bungle or am I just rambling to myself?? The Bungle Trip!! The Bungle Trip!!!! -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 30 10:46:02 1997 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:46:02 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.154602.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >as anyone out there gotten Nik Turner's Sonic Attack?? Of his solo stuff I >have Xitintoday ( a dub, 78), which is great, the IMO decrepid Prophets of >Time and brilliant Past Or Future... I want to get his Space Ritual too, I >hear it's good. Anyway, what about his Sonic Attack 2000??? > >Christian We more or less agree on the 3 Turner albums you've got, so be warned, I think _SR94_ is pretty turgid (except for "D-Rider", that is). Try and listen before you buy - some folks like it! Isn't _SA2001_ supposed to be a compilation???? Never seen it, though. Oh, ObFNM, I loved _King for a Day_, not so sure about _Angel Dust_, haven't heard much off _Album of the Year_. And Roddy Bottum's Imperial Teen album, _Seasick_, is fun! And _Live at Brixton_ has perhaps the best-ever "War Pigs"... - Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 30 12:44:03 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:44:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age comp (was Re: HW: Acid Daze CDs) In-Reply-To: <9707301452.aa12473@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.164403.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Someone did mention that there's a new Sporit of the Age anthology out >(who?) but I haven't seen this so I don't know if it's the same traclist >as the previous CD of that title. There is a compilation called Spirit Of The Age out, but it only has one HW track - Master Of The Universe!! It has a really interesting and varied tracklist: Yes/Starship, ELP/Brain Salad Surgery, Curved Air/Back Street Love, The Nice/America, Hawkwind/Master Of The Universe, Pink Fairies/Do It, Atomic Rooster/Devil's Answer, Brinsley Schwarz/Funk Angel, Ten Years After/Love Like A Man, Jethro Tull/Locomotive Breath, Free/Fire & Water, T.Rex/Debora, Barclay James Harvest/Mockingbird, Spooky Tooth/I Am The Walrus, Can/Oh Yeah, Tangerine Dream/Zeit The cat # is : REN118 This has got to be the most well put together single prog/70's comp I ever seen, especially at budget price!! Christian From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 10:54:49 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:54:49 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.165449.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hejsan! Who of you will go to the BOC concerts in Denmark? The only ones I know for sure are me and Scott (the first concert, 9 aug Copenhagen) and Richard Averdahl & Co (second concert, 10 aug, Skanderborg). Jerry -has you made up your mind yet? And the other Scandinavians... Dan Lindfors and Christian Mumford??? Doei -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 11:09:03 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:09:03 +0200 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.170903.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Recently when I was listening to Imaginos I think I heard somebody playing theremin in "Blue Oyster Cult"... have you heard it too? Though, I'm not sure yet... I was going to listen to the song again this morning but I forgot it... For some strange reason theremins fascinate me... so I really want to know if BOC has used this instrument in other songs too..? and who played it..? Is there any other funny/odd instruments on the BOC albums (except for Stun guitar and the tBS Albertron :-) ??? mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jul 30 11:10:21 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:10:21 +0800 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age comp (was Re: HW: Acid Daze CDs) Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.231021.0800.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Christian wrote: > > >Someone did mention that there's a new Sporit of the Age anthology > out > >(who?) but I haven't seen this so I don't know if it's the same > traclist > >as the previous CD of that title. > > There is a compilation called Spirit Of The Age out, but it only has > one HW > track - Master Of The Universe!! It has a really interesting and > varied > tracklist: > > Yes/Starship, ELP/Brain Salad Surgery, Curved Air/Back Street Love, > The > Nice/America, Hawkwind/Master Of The Universe, Pink Fairies/Do It, > Atomic > Rooster/Devil's Answer, Brinsley Schwarz/Funk Angel, Ten Years > After/Love > Like A Man, Jethro Tull/Locomotive Breath, Free/Fire & Water, > T.Rex/Debora, > Barclay James Harvest/Mockingbird, Spooky Tooth/I Am The Walrus, > Can/Oh > Yeah, Tangerine Dream/Zeit > > The cat # is : REN118 > > This has got to be the most well put together single prog/70's comp I > ever > seen, especially at budget price!! > > Christian Looks like one of the few compilation CD's worth getting William From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 11:19:05 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:19:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull was Re: HW: Spirit Of The Age comp Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.171905.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Christian wrote: >There is a compilation called Spirit Of The Age out, but it only has one HW >track - Master Of The Universe!! It has a really interesting and varied >tracklist: Which version of MotU? > >Yes/Starship, ELP/Brain Salad Surgery, Curved Air/Back Street Love, The >Nice/America, Hawkwind/Master Of The Universe, Pink Fairies/Do It, Atomic >Rooster/Devil's Answer, Brinsley Schwarz/Funk Angel, Ten Years After/Love >Like A Man, Jethro Tull/Locomotive Breath... This leads to another Q... when I visited Helsinki for two weeks ago I saw a remastered version of the Aqualung album... has anyone heard/bought it? Is it worth buying? It contains several bonus tracks of which at least one is a left-over from the Aqualung sessions. v?nligen -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 11:33:31 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:33:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Acid Daze CDs /Anthology Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.173331.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >You can check the codex for track versions. At one point there was >a double CD with all 3 acid daze/anthology albums on 'em. > I've just bought the (wrong!) Anthology compilation by mistake... I didn't look at the track-list -I thought it was Acid Daze... (which I never have seen so I don't know what the cover looks like)... I didn't notice anything until many days later when I was going to listen to it and read the track-list more closely. I already had almost everything and as I'm not a completist I'm willing to trade/sell this Castle compilation... if anyone wants it. mvh -Daniel from the Codex... 1991 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD set [Castle Communications] [1] Hurry On Sundown Space Is Deep Born To Go Urban Guerilla You Shouldn't Do That Spirit Of The Age High Rise Ghost Dance Motorway City Brainstorm [2] Shot Down In The Night Levitation Prelude Who's Gonna Win The War? Dust Of Time Song of the Swords Angels Of Death Shade Gate Rocky Paths The Pulsing Cavern Master Of The Universe Dreaming City Moonglum Needle Gun Zarozinia Horn Of Fate [3] Damnation Alley Sword Of The East Wastelands Of Sleep Neon Skyline Lost Chronicles Black Elk Speaks Images Out Of The Shadows Wings Back in the Box Treadmill Lives of Great Men Void of Golden Light Silver Machine (Requiem) "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jul 30 11:38:22 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:38:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730150903.00902d84@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.163822.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > For some strange reason theremins fascinate me... so I really want to know > if BOC has used this instrument in other songs too..? and who played it..? Can I recommend the Theremin Home Page at: http://www.Nashville.Net/~theremin/ The only person I have ever seen playing one is Roger Ruskin Spear (formerly of the Bonzo Dog Band) who played one which was encased in a paper mache leg on 'Music for the Leg' and other tracks. My all-time favourite theremin part is on 'Electricity' by Captain Beefheart. - Mike Godwin PS If there are Danish dates, does that mean there are UK dates too? If they have been posted, I missed them! From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 11:57:26 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:57:26 +0200 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.175726.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Mike: > >Can I recommend the Theremin Home Page at: >http://www.Nashville.Net/~theremin/ Yes you can... :-) I've already got it as a bookmark in Netscape. Good site! > >The only person I have ever seen playing one is Roger Ruskin Spear >(formerly of the Bonzo Dog Band) who played one which was encased in a >paper mache leg on 'Music for the Leg' and other tracks. I've never seen anybody perform with a theremin... too bad... > >My all-time favourite theremin part is on 'Electricity' by Captain >Beefheart. I'll take this as a song recommendation and I'll check it out when I have the opportunity. >PS If there are Danish dates, does that mean there are UK dates too? >If they have been posted, I missed them! I'm sorry, but I don't think there are any other European dates at all. ...but it's not too late to buy a plane-ticket to Denmark yet... ;-) mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Jul 30 12:13:10 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:13:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730151905.009016e0@mailbox.mc.hik.se>; from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jul 30, 97 5:19 pm Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.121310.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >>Like A Man, Jethro Tull/Locomotive Breath... > This leads to another Q... when I visited Helsinki for two weeks ago I >saw a remastered version of the Aqualung album... has anyone heard/bought it? >Is it worth buying? >It contains several bonus tracks of which at least one is a left-over from >the Aqualung sessions. Yes, I have it. The sound quality is quite good, and the packaging is decent. My only complain with the packaging is that the sleeve that the jewel box slides into doesn't have any printing on the spine - so it's the only CD in my entire collection that is blank on the edge. Strange. Other than that, they seem to have restored the original LP packaging, including lyrics, and added some press reviews of the album from its time of release. The bonus tracks include a semi-interesting interview with Ian Anderson, which you'll listen to 3-4 times and then never again, and "Lick Your Finger Clean", a track which was originally recorded in the sessions for this album, but was left off, and later appeared in a slightly reworked form on _Warchild_ as "Two Fingers." The original track also appeared on the _20 Years of JT_ boxed set (BTW, this 3-CD set is a must-have for all Tull fans). Other bonus tracks include "Fat Man," "Bouree," & "Song for Jeffrey", all recorded live at the BBC. All three are also identical to the versions on the _20 Years_ set. The last bonus track is and alternate version of "Wind Up," taken from the quadrophonic release of _Aqualung_. It does sound a bit different, with a completely different vocal track. My problem with this track is that the sequencing is bad - it comes only one track away from the original version. My personal rating: collectors and completists only. Others would be better off buying the _20 Years_ set. Then again, if you don't have _Aqualung_, you might as well get this one, given the opportunity. BTW, I've seen a similar re-issue of _Thick as a Brick_ recently, as well. Two bonus tracks, I think. Anyone? MWood NP: _Spektakel_ - Spektakel From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 12:34:19 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:34:19 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.183419.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Thanx a lot Marshall. I think I'll buy it. The strange thing is that "Aqualung" has always been my favourite Tull album -but I have never bought it! I have almost all of their albums but this one I only have a (_poor_) tape-copy of. I think I agree with your "20 Years" opinions. I don't have the 3-Cd set but the single CD version. It's a very good selection of songs and I'll guess the 3-Cd is even more interesting. mvh -Daniel Wikdahl ObMyBrain: My Love Ylva "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jul 30 21:45:25 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:45:25 -0700 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.184525.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Who of you will go to the BOC concerts in Denmark? > Jerry -has you made up your mind yet? Yes, I has... I'm very sorry I can't make it. Shit!!! Jerry From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jul 30 12:57:24 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:57:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit Of The Age comp In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730151905.009016e0@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.175724.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Dear completists On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > Christian wrote: > >There is a compilation called Spirit Of The Age out, but it only has one HW > >track - Master Of The Universe!! It has a really interesting and varied > >tracklist: > > Which version of MotU? > according to the credits it seems to be the EMI remaster, but not having heard it I don't know. Mike w From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Wed Jul 30 13:04:21 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:04:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730163419.00904050@mailbox.mc.hik.se>; from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jul 30, 97 6:34 pm Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.130421.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >The strange thing is that "Aqualung" has always been my favourite >Tull album -but I have never bought it! I have almost all of their >albums but this one I only have a (_poor_) tape-copy of. Then by all means, go for it! >I think I agree with your "20 Years" opinions. I don't have >the 3-Cd set but the single CD version. It's a very good selection of songs >and I'll guess the 3-Cd is even more interesting. Absolutely. I had the 1-CD version, listened to it for about a month, and loved it so much that I bought the 3-CD version. The booklet in the box is great, and almost every track is a winner. Come to think of it, I think it was that box that caused my Tullitis. I now have all of their stuff, which is the only cure for this condition. Now if I could just shake this case of Brockitis... MWood NP: _Live '79_ - Hawkwind From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 30 13:05:01 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:05:01 EDT Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.130501.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >> From: Jerry <stayer at PI.NET> > Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > Who of you will go to the BOC concerts in Denmark? > > Jerry -has you made up your mind yet? > > Yes, I has... I'm very sorry I can't make it. Shit!!! > > Jerry That's too bad, dude. Buck's at an all-time peak in his playing ability. The Danish BOC-Lers can expect to have their collective mind blown. Enjoy the show! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 30 13:07:32 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:07:32 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.130732.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Daniel Wikdahl <mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE> > > >The only person I have ever seen playing one is Roger Ruskin Spear > >(formerly of the Bonzo Dog Band) who played one which was encased in a > >paper mache leg on 'Music for the Leg' and other tracks. > > I've never seen anybody perform with a theremin... too bad... > > > > >My all-time favourite theremin part is on 'Electricity' by Captain > >Beefheart. > > I'll take this as a song recommendation and I'll check it out when I have > the opportunity. > Didn't Jimmy Page use one? Also, I think Ronnie Montrose may have used one at one time. Don't know if either these guys used a theremin live, though... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 30 13:14:11 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:14:11 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.131411.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Daniel Wikdahl <mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE> > Is there any other funny/odd instruments on the BOC albums (except for Stun > guitar and the tBS Albertron :-) ??? > > mvh -Daniel > > Not really an instrument, but both BD and EB have used an e-bow, during Reaper and Godzilla, and maybe others, but I can't remember just now. I saw them using E-bows circa Spectres, so I got one and duplicated the appropriate parts for those songs, which my band was playing at the time. I got the e-bow parts down perfectly... theo ps BD used an e-bow when I saw them a couple weeks ago, but I can't remember on which tune! From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Jul 30 13:39:05 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:39:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.133905.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> >Didn't Jimmy Page use one? Also, I think Ronnie Montrose may have >used one at one time. Don't know if either these guys used a >theremin live, though... Jimmy Page used a Theremin for the break section in "Whole Lotta Love". You can see it in the Led Zepplin movie. For lots of Theremin footage, check out Steve Martin's documentary _Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey_. NB: due to Disney's lawyers, the video version does not contain the footage of Sam Hoffman demonstrating a Theremin to the Mickey Mouse Club. 8-( John McIntyre Participant, First International Theremin Festival Portland Maine June 15-21, 1997 From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Jul 30 13:42:41 1997 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:42:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: B0RNtoG0 -- NJ Dates this week Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.134241.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Apologies from the lack of Ozrics/BOC/Hawkwind content, but it is SpaceRock. B0RNtoG0 will be playing out on two dates this week, so if you happen to be in striking distance of NJ, we would love to see you there. I will happily buy a drink for anyone identifying themselves to me there as from the BOC-L or ERP-L list. August 1st Obsessions, Randolph NJ $10 tickets (on at 8pm probably) (1380 Sussex Turnpike, Randolph, NJ07869, (201)895 3243) August 2nd Images, Fairview NJ (on after midnight) (359 Fairview Ave, Fairview, NJ07022 (201) 840 0330) In Space we trust, Marc. -- <http://members.aol.com/B0RNtoG0/index.html> "SpaceRock is music that, by design, expands your Awareness through Space, Mind or Time." - Axiom 1, The SpaceRock Manifesto From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 30 14:27:28 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:27:28 PDT Subject: BOC: Theremin In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730150903.00902d84@mailbox.mc.hik.se>; from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Jul 30, 97 5:09 pm Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.112728.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> As others have already posted the Theremin homepage, I won't... There are a couple of sources on the 'Net for buying/building your own Theremin. One is PAIA Electronics, who have been around for years, with el-cheapo (cost, not quality or feature-wise) synths, organs and efx (see Fast, Larry AKA Synergy). The other is Big Briar, which was started by The Man Himself, Robert Moog (all hail the Mini-Moog!). Moog started off building Theremins and got into the synth business that way. Both of the little beasties are fairly cheap (couple of hundred dollars, as long as you don't opt for the fancy cases. Saw one that had been built into one of those plastic pickle jars! Was quite unique!) and I think that MIDI will be an option at one point. I think Jon Spencer of the JS Blue Explosion play ones live on his current tour (see the Web page). TR (Todd Rundgren) uses one (that's what he's playing on the front of NO WORLD ORDER). JMJarres' new one also credits a Theremin (along with a ton of tasty vintage synths!). And don't forget Lothar and The Hand People ("Lothar" was a Theremin). "...everything old is new again!" -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 14:40:30 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:40:30 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.204030.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Jerry wrote: >Yes, I has... I'm very sorry I can't make it. Shit!!! Shit!!! -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 15:07:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:07:41 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.210741.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Theo wrote: >That's too bad, dude. Buck's at an all-time peak in his playing >ability. The Danish BOC-Lers can expect to have their collective >mind blown. Enjoy the show! Oooooops... theo... well, thanx a lot but... Danish? Danish? Danes? Denmark? :-) Like a Swedish actor said in TV-serie (his character is in Denmark) "Here lies Denmark like droppings of sand in the sea but on the other side of the water with it's proud watchtowers _Sweden_ enthrones carved in _stone_. Danish BASTARDS!!!" The watchtowers are two Swedish nuclearplants on the Swedish-Danish border. So close that you can see them from the capital of Denmark. My translation is not so good but I think you understand anyway... :-) Except Scott there are no Danish BOC-lers (maybe lurkers?!?)... but there are quite many Swedish... I think it's a lot worse to call a Swede "Dane" (or vice versa!) than to call a Scotsman "English"... if you know what I mean... ;-) Maybe we can start a new thread on this list, "Scandinavian Geography and History"!?!? :-) :-) yours -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 15:11:48 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:11:48 +0200 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.211148.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> theo wrote: >> >Not really an instrument, but both BD and EB have used an e-bow, >during Reaper and Godzilla, and maybe others, but I can't remember >just now. I saw them using E-bows circa Spectres, so I got one and >duplicated the appropriate parts for those songs, which my band was >playing at the time. I got the e-bow parts down perfectly... > >theo > >ps >BD used an e-bow when I saw them a couple weeks ago, but I can't >remember on which tune! There is an e-bow site on the net too... http://www.ebow.com -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 15:23:59 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:23:59 +0200 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.212359.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> John McIntyre wrote: > >Jimmy Page used a Theremin for the break section in "Whole Lotta Love". >You can see it in the Led Zepplin movie. The Song Remains the Same??? I've got it but I haven't watch it for years... maybe I should... > >For lots of Theremin footage, check out Steve Martin's documentary >_Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey_. Ahhh, I think I've seen this one... it's quite new, isn't it? And I think the inventor Theremin/Termen travels to the states in the end to meat an old women who used to play his instruments in Russia. And she talks something about that she wanted to have a faster vibrato in the old days and Termen fixed it for her... or something like that... Well, it must be the same -I don't think there are so many Theremin documentaries... I found this film very interesting when I saw it in April/May this spring. > NB: due to Disney's lawyers, the >video version does not contain the footage of Sam Hoffman demonstrating >a Theremin to the Mickey Mouse Club. 8-( *deep sigh* > >John McIntyre >Participant, First International Theremin Festival Do you play the instrument yourself...??? -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 30 15:26:47 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:26:47 EDT Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.152647.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Daniel Wikdahl <mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE> > > Theo wrote: > >That's too bad, dude. Buck's at an all-time peak in his playing > >ability. The Danish BOC-Lers can expect to have their collective > >mind blown. Enjoy the show! > > Oooooops... theo... well, thanx a lot but... > > Danish? Danish? Danes? Denmark? :-) > Like a Swedish actor said in TV-serie (his character is in Denmark) > > "Here lies Denmark like droppings of sand in the sea > but on the other side of the water > with it's proud watchtowers > _Sweden_ enthrones carved in _stone_. > Danish BASTARDS!!!" > > The watchtowers are two Swedish nuclearplants on the Swedish-Danish > border. So close that you can see them from the capital of Denmark. > My translation is not so good but I think you understand anyway... :-) > Except Scott there are no Danish BOC-lers (maybe lurkers?!?)... but there > are quite many Swedish... > I think it's a lot worse to call a Swede "Dane" (or vice versa!) than to call > a Scotsman "English"... if you know what I mean... ;-) > > Maybe we can start a new thread on this list, "Scandinavian Geography and > History"!?!? :-) :-) > > yours -Daniel Wikdahl > Howls! Always happy to fulfill the stereotypical American role for ya! I assumed that since the gig was in Denmark, that everyone going was a Dane [exc. Jerry]. Don't know I agree with you about the Scots, but I think you're safe as long as you don't call a Canadian an American! theo From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jul 30 15:49:50 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:49:50 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.214950.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> theo: >Howls! Always happy to fulfill the stereotypical American role for >ya! Haha! :-) It's strange but we used to have two American teachers here and really were living stereotypes... so we send them back to the states... :-) >I assumed that since the gig was in Denmark, that everyone going >was a Dane [exc. Jerry]. Jerry is from Belgium... ;-) ;-) ;-) >Don't know I agree with you about the >Scots, but I think you're safe as long as you don't call a Canadian >an American! ...but there is one thing that is even worse and that is when people [...Americans...] mix up Sweden and Switzerland!!! OK, they both are small neutral states in Europe but then I can't find any similarities at all... Now will I go and have some vodka and beers! sk?l ta mej fan -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From wright at EIVAX.UALR.EDU Wed Jul 30 16:02:17 1997 From: wright at EIVAX.UALR.EDU (Dr. Andrew B. Wright) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:02:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.150217.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Craig Shipley wrote: > > As others have already posted the Theremin homepage, I won't... > > There are a couple of sources on the 'Net for buying/building your own > Theremin. There was also a series of articles last year in either Popular Electronics or Electronics Now on the history of the Theremin and a circuit design to build your own. I can post the exact issues if someone is vitally interested. Andrew From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Jul 30 15:59:47 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:59:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.155947.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: Daniel Wikdahl <mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE> You have correctly identified the Led Zepplin movie and the Theremin documentary. >>John McIntyre >>Participant, First International Theremin Festival >Do you play the instrument yourself...??? Made my first Theremin noises Tuesday morning on Bob Moog's own Etherwave, finished building mine Thursday evening, and was performing Eric Ross's "Overture" in concert with thirteen other Theremin players Saturday night. Kind of a Theremin boot camp. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 30 17:32:37 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:32:37 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Sonic Attack 2001 In-Reply-To: <01BC9CFF.B5770140@host5-99-46-61.btinternet.com> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.213237.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Andy wrote: >Oh, ObFNM, I loved _King for a Day_, not so sure about _Angel Dust_, >haven't heard much off _Album of the Year_. And Roddy Bottum's Imperial >Teen album, _Seasick_, is fun! And _Live at Brixton_ has perhaps the >best-ever "War Pigs"... > Angel Dust was ***brilliant*** - they will never top it and should never have fired Jim Martin - he was the ##coolest## guy!! Plus I liked his guitar style of course... That was one of the best albums of the 90's so far IMO... King For A Day was good stuff (Hey you can't go wrong with "Coo-coo For Ca-Ca"!) and Album of The Year hasn't done too much for me... They are a funny band though, you can still hear it's the same band since "We Care A Lot" 12 years ago... I like FNM's War Pigs, but have you heard Alice Donut's version on _Revenge Fantasies of The Impotent_?? I need to hear some Imperial Teen! Christian From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Jul 30 16:55:37 1997 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:55:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.165537.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Moog, who lives in Ashville, NC and has for years, is selling a MIDI Theremin. chuck From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Wed Jul 30 18:57:08 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:57:08 +0000 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts In-Reply-To: <2E59BD106E8@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.225708.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Howls! Always happy to fulfill the stereotypical American role for >ya! I assumed that since the gig was in Denmark, that everyone going >was a Dane [exc. Jerry]. Don't know I agree with you about the >Scots, but I think you're safe as long as you don't call a Canadian >an American! > >theo ...or a Norwegian Swedish :) PS Daniel: I ain't gonna be there!! faen heller, Christian From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 30 19:24:38 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:24:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970730155726.008f8b50@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.002438.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Daniel wrote: >> >>The only person I have ever seen playing one is Roger Ruskin Spear >>(formerly of the Bonzo Dog Band) who played one which was encased in a >>paper mache leg on 'Music for the Leg' and other tracks. > >I've never seen anybody perform with a theremin... too bad... > Confirming theo's reply: I saw Jimmy page use one during "Whole Lotta Love" at Earls Court in 197x. I also remember some film (I think on"The Old Grey Whistle Test") of Ronnie Montrose and his guitar with a built in Theremin (I think the song was "Space Station No. 5"). >> >>My all-time favourite theremin part is on 'Electricity' by Captain >>Beefheart. > >I'll take this as a song recommendation and I'll check it out when I have >the opportunity. I don't think I know "Electricity", which album is it from? ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 30 19:10:53 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:10:53 +0100 Subject: Off: FAITH NO MORE....?????? Norwwegian blue??????????? In-Reply-To: <UPMKbBAXcG2zEwmh@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.001053.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I second Jon's sentiments wholeheartedly :-{)> >C Mumford <cannibal at CUTEY.COM> writes >>Christian (drunk loser-sorry boc-l Iand myself i'm gonna regret posting >>this )) > >Bravo! More! A round of applause, please, for a wonderful post. > >Excellente! >-- >Jon Browne Also, I had a bit of luck at the weekend... I went to my Father-in-Law's place on Friday night (he'd volunteered to babysit my son & his friend while I was going to a party nearby on Saturday), and the new woman in his neighbour's life volunteered during the conversation that she was a bit of a Pat Metheny fan (bear with nme here folks) - but as it turned out, only his patented "jazz-lite" noodlings, and not the more adventurous stuff. She got a very nasty shock when she got home with a copy of "Zero Tolerance for Silence" *snigger* When I expressed interest, she said "You can have it", I'll pass it on via Michael (my F-i-L). It was waiting for me when I got back from the party, along with two Ozric Tentacles albums "Strangeitude" & "Live Underslunky". Strange as it may seem, I've not really heard anything of the Ozrics before, & I'm quite impressed with the little snippets I've managed to listen to off these albums (life is crazy right now); anyway, the point is, are these two albums fairly representative, and which other albums of theirs are worth checking out ? ChrisW ObWaitingToBePlayed: The three above plus some Beethoven by Ashkenazy, a 5CD set of Debussy piano & a set of Bartok Orchestral music & (on vinyl) "Fat of the Land" & "Vanishing Point" (phew) - so much music, so little time! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 30 19:31:40 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:31:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin In-Reply-To: <970730155947.202ac24e@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.003140.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I am sooooo jealous.... >>>John McIntyre >>>Participant, First International Theremin Festival > >>Do you play the instrument yourself...??? > >Made my first Theremin noises Tuesday morning on Bob Moog's own Etherwave, >finished building mine Thursday evening, and was performing Eric Ross's >"Overture" in concert with thirteen other Theremin players Saturday >night. Kind of a Theremin boot camp. (-8 > >John McIntyre >Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept >Michigan State University >mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Is the DIY Theremin stuff available in the UK? Is it difficult to build? I've wanted one since I was about 12 yrs old... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Jul 30 19:51:00 1997 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:51:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.165100.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Ok, all youse what want to kit yerself up a Theremin, get thee to http://www.paia.com The kit for the guts of the thing is $88.75, a nice wood case and detachable antennas is $77.75, or a front panel & antennas only for $28.50 (not to used with a metal case). Info on building your own case is on the web site. All sorts of other way cool whooshy-noise gear is available too..... :) scorch From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Wed Jul 30 20:00:26 1997 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:00:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.200026.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Not really an instrument, but both BD and EB have used an e-bow, > during Reaper and Godzilla, and maybe others, but I can't remember > just now. I saw them using E-bows circa Spectres, so I got one and > duplicated the appropriate parts for those songs, which my band was > playing at the time. I got the e-bow parts down perfectly... > > theo Dear Theo, What's an e-bow? Richard From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jul 30 20:40:36 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:40:36 PDT Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow In-Reply-To: <199707310005.RAA26578@m1.sprynet.com>; from "Richard Manny" at Jul 30, 97 8:00 pm Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.174036.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > > Not really an instrument, but both BD and EB have used an e-bow, > > during Reaper and Godzilla, and maybe others, but I can't remember > > just now. I saw them using E-bows circa Spectres, so I got one and > > duplicated the appropriate parts for those songs, which my band was > > playing at the time. I got the e-bow parts down perfectly... > > > > theo > > > Dear Theo, > What's an e-bow? > > Richard > I'm not Theo nor do I play him on TV... An E-bow is a hand-held device that contains a motor-driven set of Delrin wheels (the stuff that they make model-train wheels with). The wheel is applied to the strings of the guitar and creates interesting efx or "infinite sustain". Don't know much more beyond this (like, number of wheels, is the speed variable (I think it is...), etc.). And since we are dicussing obscure musical instruments, does anyone wanna know how a Mellotron/Chamberlain works? (Bonus points, whats the difference between a 'Tron and a Chamberlain?) This is probably more intersting to HW fans than to BOC'ers... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Wed Jul 30 21:06:03 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:06:03 -0600 Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.190603.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >> For some strange reason theremins fascinate me... so I really want to know >> if BOC has used this instrument in other songs too..? and who played it..? > >Can I recommend the Theremin Home Page at: >http://www.Nashville.Net/~theremin/ > >The only person I have ever seen playing one is Roger Ruskin Spear >(formerly of the Bonzo Dog Band) who played one which was encased in a >paper mache leg on 'Music for the Leg' and other tracks. > >My all-time favourite theremin part is on 'Electricity' by Captain >Beefheart. > >- Mike Godwin > ********************************* Daniel, I saw Ronnie Montrose play one in NYC with his band Montrose back in the 70's. I haven't seen it listed on any of the 5 of his recent CD's that I own though. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jul 30 22:23:39 1997 From: paul at GROMIT.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:23:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970731001053.007ac100@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.222339.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Chris Warburton wrote: > two Ozric Tentacles albums "Strangeitude" & "Live Underslunky". Strange as > it may seem, I've not really heard anything of the Ozrics before, & I'm > quite impressed with the little snippets I've managed to listen to off > these albums (life is crazy right now); anyway, the point is, are these two > albums fairly representative, and which other albums of theirs are worth > checking out ? There is a school of thought that I've oft heard expressed that goes something like "if you've heard one Ozric Tentacles album, you've heard 'em all." Whereas I don't subscribe to that particular theory myself, it is fair to say that the Ozrics output is pretty homogenous, on the whole, unlike, say, Hawkwind. So, IMHO, the sounds you are hearing from those albums are "fairly representative." If you want to sample more, I'd suggest, at a minimum, you pick up _Erpland_. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, _Are You Experienced_ (re-remastered) e-mail: paul at gromit.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Thu Jul 31 00:12:10 1997 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:12:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.231210.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:04:21 EDT Marshall Wood <mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM> wrote: >Come to think of it, I think it was that box [20th Anniv.] that >caused my Tullitis. I now have all of their stuff, which is >the only cure for this condition. Really? Even "Stormwatch" and "A"? I got rid of Stormwatch because "Orion" was the only slightly decent track on it (IMO). "A" I gave away because the 25th [not 20th] Anniversary box has - IMO again - the definitive mix of "Black Sunday", which is, like on Stormwatch, the only good track. Damon P.S.: Even "Catfish Rising"? "Rock Island"?!?!? From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Jul 31 01:01:12 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:01:12 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: San Francisco 9/29 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.010112.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> (crosspost from AOL tBS folder) tBS tore it up again last night in SF...great sound, song selection, stage dynamics and vibe. Nice to meet a bunch of online folks there (Armondo, Bolle, Melne, James, Bramwell) and to have the band playing last, where they belong... Cities On Flame St. Vitus Dance Gun Medusa A Kiss is a Promise Laura's Plastic Swords Gimme Nothin' My Civilization Donkey Show I Play the Drums Dominance and Submission Career of Evil Overture I Am the One You Warned Me Of The Red and the Black Hearing the "Overture" done live was an experience, and the band's delivery of it was absolutely majestic. One of the opening bands -- forgotten, but not gone -- had their stuff still stacked up in front of the stage when tBS were ready to begin, and I thought Billy was going to assault them. You don't want to mess with someone who's been putting away the Sharp's like that :-) I can't imagine that this tour can be a money-making proposition for tBS, but I'll bet that in terms of turning casual fans into hard-core supporters and generating excellent word-of-mouth it'll pay off in spades. What a band. Hope everyone has a great time at the LA and San Diego shows. From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jul 31 03:07:30 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:07:30 -0700 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.000730.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > > Who of you will go to the BOC concerts in Denmark? > > > Jerry -has you made up your mind yet? I wrote: > > Yes, I has... I'm very sorry I can't make it. Shit!!! Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > That's too bad, dude. Buck's at an all-time peak in his playing > ability. The Danish BOC-Lers can expect to have their collective > mind blown. Enjoy the show! Mmm... maybe I should try and get some venue to book them one week later... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jul 31 03:25:40 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:25:40 -0700 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.002540.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Daniel: > Maybe we can start a new thread on this list, "Scandinavian Geography and > History"!?!? :-) :-) I know for sure you could lighten up some minds telling about your monarch... Jerry From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jul 31 02:07:58 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:07:58 +1000 Subject: HW/NIK: Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.160758.1000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 30 Jul 97 at 15:46, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Isn't _SA2001_ supposed to be a compilation???? Never seen it, though. Yup. Here's the track list: Horus (Mirage Mix) Master of the Universe Sonic Attack The Weighing of Heart and Negative Confession Anubian Light Destiny Opa-Loka You Shouldn't Do That (SR Rehearsal) Grid Coordinate: Vorp One Toth (sic) Arc of Ra It's on Dossier Records (DCD 9080) Probably the best thing about this is if you don't have SR 94, PoF? etc. it's a good cross-section of what's on the others. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique //// '~ ( --- they sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au /////// : ; --- Fly! From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Jul 31 02:15:08 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:15:08 -0700 Subject: HW/NIK: Sonic Attack 2001 Message-ID: <WED.30.JUL.1997.231508.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> ---------- > From: Andrew > > We more or less agree on the 3 Turner albums you've got, so be warned, I > think _SR94_ is pretty turgid (except for "D-Rider", that is). Try and > listen before you buy - some folks like it! > No, I don't reply just to disagree w/what Andrew writes! :) I was very iffy about Nik's SR at first, but it's amazing what forcing yourself to listen to something can do. It's still no Past or Future, but w/every listen, I gain a little more respect...and enjoyment. It's also best not to compare it to or think of it as an equivalent to the _orginal_ SR. It does have its own character... > Isn't _SA2001_ supposed to be a compilation???? Never seen it, though. > Yes! Only a couple previously unreleased tracks. I think Cleopatra is getting desperate...many of their comps are worthwhile, but to charge full-price for this one?? > Oh, ObFNM, I loved _King for a Day_, not so sure about _Angel Dust_, > haven't heard much off _Album of the Year_. And Roddy Bottum's Imperial > Teen album, _Seasick_, is fun! And _Live at Brixton_ has perhaps the > best-ever "War Pigs"... > > - Andy > My favorite "War Pigs" (aside from Sab, of course) was always Sacred Reich's... Charlie OBHWtrack: Levitation (Stonehenge) From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 05:45:51 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:45:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin (fwd) Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.104551.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hi Chris 'Electricity' is on Captain Beefheart's first album, "Safe as milk", recorded 1966 and re-released many times on budget labels - it is certainly available on CD. It's a blues and pop album, much more accessible than his later stuff, and Ry Cooder plays guitar on it. According to the Theremin Home Page, the theremin is on some other tracks too, but 'Electricity' is the one with the theremin right up front. - Mike Godwin From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 05:53:59 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:53:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin (fwd) Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.105359.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> [Sent to the list because Chris's address bounced] Hi Chris 'Electricity' is on Captain Beefheart's first album, "Safe as milk", recorded 1966 and re-released many times on budget labels - it is certainly available on CD. It's a blues and pop album, much more accessible than his later stuff, and Ry Cooder plays guitar on it. According to the Theremin Home Page, the theremin is on some other tracks too, but 'Electricity' is the one with the theremin right up front. - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 07:44:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:44:28 EDT Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.074428.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Jerry <stayer at PI.NET> > Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > That's too bad, dude. Buck's at an all-time peak in his playing > > ability. The Danish BOC-Lers can expect to have their collective > > mind blown. Enjoy the show! > > Mmm... maybe I should try and get some venue to book them one week later... > > Jerry I'm not exaggerating about BD's playing of late. Seen them 3 times in the last 8 months. He's way better than he was back in the days when they were playing stadiums. So you can see all this amazing playing up close. BOC-Lers worldwide, don't miss any chance to see BOC. The only downside is that the rest of the show doesn't really match BD's performance, and EB is a shadow of his old self... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 08:03:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:03:13 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.080313.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Richard Manny <rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM> > > Dear Theo, > What's an e-bow? > > Richard Richard, It's a little gizmo that you hold over the guitar's string. It has powerfull magnets in it that somehow get the string to vibrate by itself, so you get infinite sustain. A great effect, but you're limited speed-wise, as you can only work one string at a time, and you can't work your whammy bar while using it--unless you've got 3 hands! Hamer and Fernandez have built gtrs with a built-in device that does the same thing, and I believe all strings can be used. Never tried one, myself, though I still have my e-bow, and use it some to this day... theo From mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM Thu Jul 31 08:18:58 1997 From: mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:18:58 EDT Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <199707310412.XAA17929@mail.mymail.net>; from "DAMON CAPEHART" at Jul 30, 97 11:12 pm Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.081858.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:04:21 EDT Marshall Wood <mwood at SLICE.AGILE.COM> wrote: >>Come to think of it, I think it was that box [20th Anniv.] that >>caused my Tullitis. I now have all of their stuff, which is >>the only cure for this condition. >Really? Even "Stormwatch" and "A"? I got rid of Stormwatch because "Orion" >was the only slightly decent track on it (IMO). "Orion" is good, but what about "Dun Ringill" ? Actually, I didn't really care for _Stormwatch_ the first time I heard it, but while my Tullitis was at its peak, I listened to it repeatedly, and started to really enjoy it. >"A" I gave away because the >25th [not 20th] Anniversary box has - IMO again - the definitive mix of >"Black Sunday", which is, like on Stormwatch, the only good track. "BS" is definitely the best track there, but I also like "The Pine Marten's Jig" (a typical Tull instrumental), "Fylingdale Flyer" and "4 W.D." (a track which most Tull fans despise). >P.S.: Even "Catfish Rising"? "Rock Island"?!?!? _Catfish Rising_ has about an equal mix of hits and misses (I love "Rocks on the Road"), but _Rock Island_ is mostly hits (don't care for "Kissing Willie," but I really like "Whaler's Dues" and "Another Christmas Song"). I'm surprised you didn't mention _Under Wraps_, which is a truly horrid effort. So that this post doesn't just concentrate on JT's mediocre efforts, I'll mention that my favorites are _Songs from the Wood_, _Heavy Horses_ (the title cut and "Moths" are two of the best things they've ever done), and _Broadsword and the Beast_. Oh, and the _20 Years of JT_ boxed set. Almost forgot _Living in the Past_. And _A Little Light Music_. And, and, and... you get the idea. MWood NP: _Volume Two: Brainstorm_ - Mastermind From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 08:21:55 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:21:55 EDT Subject: off: Theremin/Montrose Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.082155.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Someone posted about Montrose and the Theremin. I deleted the post by mistake. Could you email private? I have some questions about RM. thanks, theo From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 10:17:03 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:17:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Cosmic Travellers In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.93.970731105246.28695E-100000@mary.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.141703.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I've seen this listed at a mailorder place somewhere and think it was mentioned on this list at some point. The only description it had was that it was a Friends & Relations thing from Anagram.... does anyone have any details on this (a track listing)? Christian From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 10:27:47 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:27:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Traveller's Aid Trust In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.93.970731105246.28695E-100000@mary.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.142747.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Argh! I have no idea why I have passed this up a zillion times, I used to see it all over the place (Oslo, New York, Amsterdam - the entire western hemisphere) until a couple of years ago, and now I can't find it of course... anywhere! Not even mail order. Will the mad culprit with the crate of these please come forth to the benefit of all? Christian From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 31 09:43:18 1997 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:43:18 -0600 Subject: I'd pay to see you play if... Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.074318.0600.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >Anyway, back in the old days, we really did the BOC material up right. I >used an e-bow for Reaper and Godzilla, the whole works. I played like >Buck, but dressed like Bloom: shades, leather clothes, s/m imagery. Ahh, >those were the days... >ted Howls! Tell me, could you sing like Al? If so I'd pay to see you play. Good luck on the Jersey Shows Marc, wish I could be there. lil' ab obcd - Masquerade, Surface of Pain (Very underatted record) "Yesterday: USA Today reported that scientists have revealed that beer contains small traces of female hormones. To prove their theory, they fed 100 men 12 pints of lager and observed that 100% of them gained weight, talked incessantly without making sense,and couldn't drive." From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jul 31 08:52:00 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:52:00 +0100 Subject: off: PM was Re: Off: FNM In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:10:53 BST." <3.0.1.32.19970731001053.007ac100@mcmail.com> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.135200.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > I went to my Father-in-Law's place on Friday night (he'd volunteered to > babysit my son & his friend while I was going to a party nearby on > Saturday), and the new woman in his neighbour's life volunteered during the > conversation that she was a bit of a Pat Metheny fan (bear with nme here > folks) - but as it turned out, only his patented "jazz-lite" noodlings, and > not the more adventurous stuff. She got a very nasty shock when she got > home with a copy of "Zero Tolerance for Silence" *snigger* I guess I'm more aligned with the woman you mention above. Zero Tolerance for Silence has to be a candidate for *the* most unlistenable piece of music possible. It does however show that he can pull the stops out if he wants. When I listen to Metheny I sometimes think somebody ought to tell him "Just rock out man, stop fiddling about!" Too much of his music is just too *nice*. What's needed is a composition mid way between ZtfS and say, Last Train Home. :-) > two Ozric Tentacles albums "Strangeitude" & "Live Underslunky". > ... anyway, the point is, are these two > albums fairly representative, and which other albums of theirs are worth > checking out ? Ozrics - I kinda like Jurassic Shift myself. Nice range of songs. As for FNM, its got to be Real Thing, just for "Edge of the World" Tim From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jul 31 09:55:54 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:55:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.095554.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: Craig Shipley <craigs at PYRAMID.COM> >An E-bow is a hand-held device that contains a motor-driven set of Delrin >wheels (the stuff that they make model-train wheels with). The wheel is applied >to the strings of the guitar and creates interesting efx or "infinite sustain". >Don't know much more beyond this (like, number of wheels, is the speed variable >(I think it is...), etc.). What Craig has described is not an E-Bow but a Gizmotron, developed by Godley & Creme while they were still with 10CC. (They left 10CC in part to focus on the Gizmotron. Their album _Consequences_ makes a nice Gizmotron demo album.) There were two models of Gizmotron: a six string model for guitar and a four string model for bass guitar. The speed was not variable (unless you wanted to vary the voltage supplied to the motor), but the wheel spacing was, allowing for different string spacing. (The lack of standard string spacing on bass guitars is supposedly what scuttled the plans for a bass E-Bow since the E-Bow rides on the strings adjacent to the one being excited.) The big advantage of the Gizmotron over the E-Bow is that the Gizmotron could excite any or all of the strings at once, while the E-Bow is one string at a time and cannot switch strings quickly. The big drawback of the Gizmotron is that the wheels wear out fairly quickly. Both devices face marketing reluctance in that they require some adaptation in your playing style: too many musicians want a magic box that does all the work without them having to learn new techniques. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 10:07:31 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:07:31 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.100731.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> from: John McIntyre <MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU> > What Craig has described is not an E-Bow but a Gizmotron, developed by > Godley & Creme while they were still with 10CC. (They left 10CC in part > to focus on the Gizmotron. Their album _Consequences_ makes a nice > Gizmotron demo album.) > > There were two models of Gizmotron: a six string model for guitar and a > four string model for bass guitar. The speed was not variable (unless you > wanted to vary the voltage supplied to the motor), but the wheel spacing > was, allowing for different string spacing. (The lack of standard string > spacing on bass guitars is supposedly what scuttled the plans for a bass > E-Bow since the E-Bow rides on the strings adjacent to the one being > excited.) > > The big advantage of the Gizmotron over the E-Bow is that the Gizmotron > could excite any or all of the strings at once, while the E-Bow is one > string at a time and cannot switch strings quickly. The big drawback > of the Gizmotron is that the wheels wear out fairly quickly. And, the e-bow is a lot less complicated, and durable... > Both devices face marketing reluctance in that they require some adaptation > in your playing style: too many musicians want a magic box that does all > the work without them having to learn new techniques. > > John McIntyre And too, if you use them too much it gets tired. BOC just put in a little bit of e-bow so it didn't get tired... theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 15:23:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:23:52 BST Subject: HW: Cosmic Travellers In-Reply-To: Christian's message of Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:17:03 +0000 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.152352.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Christian writes: > I've seen this listed at a mailorder place somewhere and think it was > mentioned on this list at some point. The only description it had was that > it was a Friends & Relations thing from Anagram.... does anyone have any > details on this (a track listing)? > > Christian 1996 Hawkwind, Friends & Realations: Cosmic Travellers The Right Stuff [Pressurehead] Between Worlds [Underground Zero] We Do It Grid Coordinate Vorp One [Anubian Lights] Time Of Venusian Skyline [Melting Euphoria] The Master [Helios Creed] A Trip To G9 [Spiral Realms] Seeing Strange Lights [Dark Matter] Pre-Cambrian Shuffle [The Brain] Space Does Not Care [Zero Gravity] FoFP From ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE Thu Jul 31 11:10:46 1997 From: ola.nyberg at SYSTEM3R.SE (Ola Nyberg) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:10:46 +0100 Subject: B.O.C. gig in Copenhagen Aug. 9 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.161046.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Dear Fellow Music Lovers, Does anybody know where the Copenhagen gig will take place, what time (exactly) and where one can get a hold of tickets?!?! I don't want to miss this! I haven't seen 'em since 1992 in Nancy, France. Mr Ola Nyberg Stockholm, Sweden P.S. Is the Hawkwind Love In Space EP out yet? Anybody heard it? P.S.S. Does anybody have an opinion on Alan Davey's solo album, Captured Rotation? Is it worth checking out? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 31 10:29:42 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:29:42 PDT Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow In-Reply-To: <970731095554.202966ed@pa.msu.edu>; from "John McIntyre" at Jul 31, 97 9:55 am Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.072942.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> John sez... > > >From: Craig Shipley <craigs at PYRAMID.COM> > > >An E-bow is a hand-held device that contains a motor-driven set of Delrin > >wheels (the stuff that they make model-train wheels with). The wheel is applied > >to the strings of the guitar and creates interesting efx or "infinite sustain". > >Don't know much more beyond this (like, number of wheels, is the speed variable > >(I think it is...), etc.). > > What Craig has described is not an E-Bow but a Gizmotron, developed by > Godley & Creme while they were still with 10CC. (They left 10CC in part > to focus on the Gizmotron. Their album _Consequences_ makes a nice > Gizmotron demo album.) > Y'now, after I posted that, I thought that I had just described a Gizmo instead of an E-bow. Thanks for setting me straight... (I think that I might have seen a prototype drawing of the handheld device that I described. Or maybe I jut got it kornfoozed with a handheld rolling slicer 'n dicer... :-S). > There were two models of Gizmotron: a six string model for guitar and a > four string model for bass guitar. The speed was not variable (unless you > wanted to vary the voltage supplied to the motor), but the wheel spacing > was, allowing for different string spacing. (The lack of standard string > spacing on bass guitars is supposedly what scuttled the plans for a bass > E-Bow since the E-Bow rides on the strings adjacent to the one being > excited.) > > The big advantage of the Gizmotron over the E-Bow is that the Gizmotron > could excite any or all of the strings at once, while the E-Bow is one > string at a time and cannot switch strings quickly. The big drawback > of the Gizmotron is that the wheels wear out fairly quickly. > Yeah I remember that as being a major hurdle (the wheels wearing out). Wonder what could be done with some of the materials that have come along since then? (Could a ceramic composite work?) And with advances in motor miniturization and control, I can see where a variable-speed unit could be built and incorporated into a guitar... The Gizmo attached to the tailstock, right? > Both devices face marketing reluctance in that they require some adaptation > in your playing style: too many musicians want a magic box that does all > the work without them having to learn new techniques. > I would also suspect that there are enough digital/electronic devices on the market nowadays to make the Gizmo and Ebow superfluous. And a lot more sturdy/ playable/easier to use... > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu > obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / Reflections From The Firepool -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jul 31 10:40:38 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:40:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.104038.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" <tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU> >And too, if you use them too much it gets tired. BOC just put in a >little bit of e-bow so it didn't get tired... If you use it poorly too much it gets tired. I saw Bill Nelson play a show in which he used the E-Bow on every song but one. True, the one song on which he played "conventional" guitar did stand out, but I wouldn't say the other songs that evening were tired. Of course, if you do use it too much, the battery does run down... (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Jul 31 11:03:07 1997 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:03:07 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: San Francisco 9/29 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.110307.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Corrections: "Death Valley Nights" was also played in SF (before "Career of Evil"). And despite the numbers in my subject lines recently (and currently), these shows were in July, not September :-) -Chris Baker From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 11:06:19 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:06:19 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.110619.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > From: John McIntyre <MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU> > If you use it poorly too much it gets tired. I saw Bill Nelson play a show > in which he used the E-Bow on every song but one. True, the one song on > which he played "conventional" guitar did stand out, but I wouldn't say > the other songs that evening were tired. > Hey, I saw Be Bop Deluxe open for BOC once. I think it was right around Modern music. Great show. What's Nelson up to these days? Still the synth stuff or back to gtr playing? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 31 11:13:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:13:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.111324.EDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> From: Craig Shipley <craigs at PYRAMID.COM> > I would also suspect that there are enough digital/electronic devices on the > market nowadays to make the Gizmo and Ebow superfluous. And a lot more sturdy/ > playable/easier to use... Problem with some kind of digital processor would be tracking the signal. One of the coolest effects with the e-bow is making huge string bends with the thing running. Sometimes digital effects don't translate that kind of stuff too well... theo From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jul 31 11:18:14 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:18:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.111814.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> >From: Craig Shipley <craigs at PYRAMID.COM> >Yeah I remember that as being a major hurdle (the wheels wearing out). Wonder >what could be done with some of the materials that have come along since then? >(Could a ceramic composite work?) And with advances in motor miniturization and >control, I can see where a variable-speed unit could be built and incorporated >into a guitar... I don't know enough material science to answer the question about wheel composition. As to the variable speed motor, I'm not sure that that would be a gain. You need the wheels rotating fast enough to get the string sustaining, but I think that once that threshhold is reached, faster rotation should have little effect on the sound as it is the length of the string; i.e., where on the fingerboard you're fretting, that determines pitch, not the driving speed. Driving the string at its resonant frquency would probably provide more gain, but that resonate frequency would change each time you change notes, so you'd be constantly fiddling with the speed. And if you played more than one string at a time, you'd be unable to match speeds for all the strings. >The Gizmo attached to the tailstock, right? A metal plate was provided to attach to the body near the bridge and parallel to the strings. It was recommended that you use the supplied double-sided tape to affix the plate while you experimented with its location before drilling any holes to permanently mount the plate. The Gizmo then attached to the plate. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 12:38:41 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:38:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Cosmic Travellers In-Reply-To: <9707311523.aa09923@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.163841.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> I take it this is a Cleopatra release??? Smells a bit like a cash-in on the Flicknife titles of the same name, and that's a pretty obscure thing to cash in on!! Looks interesting tho. Christian >1996 Hawkwind, Friends & Realations: Cosmic Travellers > The Right Stuff [Pressurehead] > Between Worlds [Underground Zero] > We Do It > Grid Coordinate Vorp One [Anubian Lights] > Time Of > Venusian Skyline [Melting Euphoria] > The Master [Helios Creed] > A Trip To G9 [Spiral Realms] > Seeing Strange Lights [Dark Matter] > Pre-Cambrian Shuffle [The Brain] > Space Does Not Care [Zero Gravity] > > >FoFP > > From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 16:44:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (Mike Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:44:31 BST Subject: No subject Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.164431.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: (fwd) PROG POLL update Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.progressive Spotted on Usenet. Should we help? Doug Maynard from "The Sheltering Sky" here with a few notes about the progressive rock poll I began last week. I have had a decent amount of voters (24) so far. Thanks to everyone who's participated! I'd love to get over 100 voters, so if you haven't voted yet for your top three progressive albums of all time, do so by clicking on "Prog Rock Poll" in the index of my web page: http://www.bgsu.edu/~dmaynar You can also check up on the results (as of right now) by doing the same. So far there are 14 albums which have received more than one vote, and two albums have received five votes. I've changed the scoring method such that: Best = 5 points 2nd = 4 points 3rd = 3 points This way, an album with any two votes is given more points than an album with any one vote. Thanks again for contributing! Doug. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 31 11:48:09 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:48:09 PDT Subject: BOC: Be-Bop Deluxe (was Theremin & E-Bow) In-Reply-To: <2F9452532F7@library.syr.edu>; from "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" at Jul 31, 97 11:06 am Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.084809.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Sagt Theo... > Hey, I saw Be Bop Deluxe open for BOC once. I think it was right > around Modern music. Great show. What's Nelson up to these days? > Still the synth stuff or back to gtr playing? > theo > Nelson has dropped the bulk of his synth stuff and has re-discovered his guitar. I don't have his latest AFTER THE SATELLITE SINGS, which is supposed to be a "jungle" release, but the one prior to that PRACTICALLY WIRED! was a nice guitar workout for Mr. Nelson. Lotsa guitars, but still some synth work. Worth a listen or two... There was supposed to be a BBD reunion, which never panned out. Shame, I would have loved to see/hear that (having discovered BBD right about the time they broke up). I woud also like to see his back catalog get re-released (true story:went into a local used CD store in Laurel MD and found just about ever one of Nelson's solo CD's in the bins. Either someone gave up on him or had their collection stolen. Either way, they are mine now! Still want to get a CD copy of THE LOVE THAT WHIRLS, anyone? Time to go dig the ol' Nelson CD's out...LIVE IN THE AIR AGE, where are you? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From Hawkwindus at AOL.COM Thu Jul 31 11:56:16 1997 From: Hawkwindus at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:56:16 -0400 Subject: off: Pressurehed show in Phila! Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.115616.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Just saw Pressurehed at Nick's last night in Phila, PA they were ****in' incredible!!!! if anyone gets a chance to see them - please do Temple of Bon Matin opened for them & they were quite excellent!!! bl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 31 11:56:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:56:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Captured rotation In-Reply-To: Ola Nyberg's mail of Thu, 31 Jul 97 16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.165600.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On 31 Jul 16:10, Ola Nyberg wrote: > P.S.S. Does anybody have an opinion on Alan Davey's solo album, Captured > Rotation? Is it worth checking out? Yes. I didn't like it much at first, but it's grown on me. I'd say it's pretty consistent, but lacks real high points. I'd like to hear the songs done by a live band, instead of studio overdubs. Pretty much everyone else on the list liked it from the word go. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 31 13:10:18 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:10:18 PDT Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <9707311644.aa29790@uk.ac.ed.tattoo>; from "Mike Holmes" at Jul 31, 97 4:44 pm Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.101018.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU > Subject: (fwd) PROG POLL update > Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.progressive > > Spotted on Usenet. Should we help? > Done deal, bud.... > > > Doug Maynard from "The Sheltering Sky" here with a few notes about the > progressive rock poll I began last week. > > I have had a decent amount of voters (24) so far. Thanks to everyone > who's participated! I'd love to get over 100 voters, so if you haven't > voted yet for your top three progressive albums of all time, do so by > clicking on "Prog Rock Poll" in the index of my web page: > > http://www.bgsu.edu/~dmaynar > > You can also check up on the results (as of right now) by doing the > same. So far there are 14 albums which have received more than one vote, > and two albums have received five votes. > > I've changed the scoring method such that: > Best = 5 points > 2nd = 4 points > 3rd = 3 points > > This way, an album with any two votes is given more points than an album > with any one vote. > > Thanks again for contributing! > > Doug. > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 18:18:45 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:18:45 BST Subject: my subscription Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.181845.BST.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Sorry folks but I've lost my adminstrivia file and this machine is about to go offline permanently and I come from a long line of procrastiators. Anyway, if the High Heid Yin could check the following for me lest I lose my subscription entirely... If I'm subscribed as: M.Holmes at ed.ac.uk or fofp at ed.ac.uk then everything is fine. Our system will transfer that address to the new machine. However, if I'm subscribed as: fofp at tattoo.ed.ac.uk Then I'd need my entry changed to: fofp at ed.ac.uk I'll be away in Amsterdam next week. If any hawkfans are around there then mail me tomorrow (Fri) at erss01 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk and maybe we can arrange to meet up. See y'all once I'm back and transmigrated to the new machine (hopefully). Cheers FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 13:25:18 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:25:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Web pix of Nik's Allstars Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.182518.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> As promised I have got a few photos of the Big Green Gathering Nik Turner's Fantastic Allstars gig scanned into what we in the trade call the wurb wibe wib. One can find them at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/bgg.htm cheers Mike w From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jul 31 13:39:13 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (the mikster) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:39:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Skew the vote (maybe OFF:) In-Reply-To: <9707311644.aa29790@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.183913.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> OK, I'm up for skewing the vote as best we can. I have two proper prog albums I'll vote for (by Haze and The Enid) but we ought to decide on a proper prog Hawkwind album. What about Levitation? Or Hall of the MG? What do we reckon is the most prog HW? On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mike Holmes wrote: > Spotted on Usenet. Should we help? > >> Doug Maynard from "The Sheltering Sky" here with a few notes about the >> progressive rock poll I began last week. >> >> I have had a decent amount of voters (24) so far. Thanks to everyone >> who's participated! I'd love to get over 100 voters, so if you haven't >> voted yet for your top three progressive albums of all time, do so by >> clicking on "Prog Rock Poll" in the index of my web page: >> >> http://www.bgsu.edu/~dmaynar From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 15:49:50 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:49:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Skew the vote (maybe OFF:) In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.970731183535.12949C-100000@suma3.reading.ac .uk> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.194950.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 18:39 31.07.97 +0100, you wrote: >OK, I'm up for skewing the vote as best we can. I have two proper prog >albums I'll vote for (by Haze and The Enid) but we ought to decide on a >proper prog Hawkwind album. What about Levitation? Or Hall of the MG? What >do we reckon is the most prog HW? I'd also add Quark, Strangeness & Charm and suggest The Xenon Codex as other "proper" prog albums. Quark is the best!!!!! (IMO of course) Christian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 31 14:21:03 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:21:03 PDT Subject: HW: Skew the vote (maybe OFF:) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970731194950.006ad8d8@online.no>; from "Christian" at Jul 31, 97 7:49 pm Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.112103.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > At 18:39 31.07.97 +0100, you wrote: > >OK, I'm up for skewing the vote as best we can. I have two proper prog > >albums I'll vote for (by Haze and The Enid) but we ought to decide on a > >proper prog Hawkwind album. What about Levitation? Or Hall of the MG? What > >do we reckon is the most prog HW? > > > I'd also add Quark, Strangeness & Charm and suggest The Xenon Codex as > other "proper" prog albums. Quark is the best!!!!! (IMO of course) > > Christian > Quark is good, but I think a better choice would be Warrior On The Edge Of Time. Reason is that is thematically cohesive (aka "concept album") with the exception of the last song. Plus it uses the Mellotron, a standard "prog-rock" instrument (but so does HotMG, but it dosen't hang together like WotEoT does, thematically. Quarks' first side hangs together, but the second side is a little esoteric in song choices). But what about BOC's Secret Treaties as a great prog album? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 31 14:44:38 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:44:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: Theremin, now E-bow/Gizmotron In-Reply-To: <970731095554.202966ed@pa.msu.edu> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.194438.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> John McIntyre wrote: >What Craig has described is not an E-Bow but a Gizmotron, developed by >Godley & Creme while they were still with 10CC. > >There were two models of Gizmotron: a six string model for guitar and a >four string model for bass guitar. I once attended a gig put on by the Nottingham Guitar Society with The Durutti Column & Bill Nelson. BN opened the show, and played his whole set with the Gizmotron. I wish I had a tape of the show - it was a very small venue, with an attentive and appreciative audience and two wonderful guitar players.... ChrisW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A man must go on a quest to discover the sacred fire in the sanctuary of his own belly to ignite the flame in his heart to fuel the blaze in the hearth to rekindle his ardor for the earth." ? Sam Keen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 31 14:38:53 1997 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:38:53 +0100 Subject: off: PM was Re: Off: FNM In-Reply-To: <199707311252.NAA06554@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.193853.0100.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 13:52 31/07/97 +0100, Tim wrote: >I guess I'm more aligned with the woman you mention above. Zero Tolerance for >Silence has to be a candidate for *the* most unlistenable piece of music >possible. It does however show that he can pull the stops out if he wants. >When I listen to Metheny I sometimes think somebody ought to tell him "Just >rock out man, stop fiddling about!" Too much of his music is just too *nice*. >What's needed is a composition mid way between ZtfS and say, Last Train Home. :-) > Last Train Home? If you want Metheny giving it the gun, but without the "noise" factor, try "Song X" which he made with Ornette Coleman, or, closer to the mainstream, "I Can See Your Place From Here" with John Scofield. My current favourite is "The Sign of Four" a triple improvisng set with Derek Bailey and two percussionists (Gregg Bendian & Paul Wertico), but that's pretty difficult stuff unless you're into free improv. Overall, I like PM best when he's working with others rather than his own band - it seems like his peers bring out the best in him e.g. "80/81", "Rejoicing". That's enough of my elitist droning. TTFN, ChrisW From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 16:56:30 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:56:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Skew the vote (maybe OFF:) In-Reply-To: <9707311821.AA24970@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.205630.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 11:21 31.07.97 PDT, you wrote: >> >> At 18:39 31.07.97 +0100, you wrote: >> >OK, I'm up for skewing the vote as best we can. I have two proper prog >> >albums I'll vote for (by Haze and The Enid) but we ought to decide on a >> >proper prog Hawkwind album. What about Levitation? Or Hall of the MG? What >> >do we reckon is the most prog HW? >> >> >> I'd also add Quark, Strangeness & Charm and suggest The Xenon Codex as >> other "proper" prog albums. Quark is the best!!!!! (IMO of course) >> >> Christian >> >Quark is good, but I think a better choice would be Warrior On The Edge Of >Time. Reason is that is thematically cohesive (aka "concept album") with the >exception of the last song. Plus it uses the Mellotron, a standard "prog-rock" >instrument I'm not sure I go along with the reasoning here :-), The things you mention are more prog cliches than defining elements IMHO, like the use of mellotron or so called "concepts".... (but so does HotMG, but it dosen't hang together like WotEoT does, >thematically. Quarks' first side hangs together, but the second side is a >little esoteric in song choices). ..... and if I were to write up some definition of "Prog", the word "esoteric" would be somewhere in it!! I think the Quark, PXR5 and 25 Years On albums are unique hybrids of prog and new wave, and that may be why they are a little uncomfortable under the "prog" definition. But hey, were not getting into THAT now :)! I guess HOTMG or WotEoT are as good as any, they certainly are closer to more trad. prog, at least as close as HW could come in the early 70's sense of the word... I do find those albums quite *esoteric* BTW! >But what about BOC's Secret Treaties as a great prog album? > huh?? Dunno if that's more prog than QS&C tho.... Christian > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 >-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 > > From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Jul 31 15:05:35 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:05:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Pseudo sun Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.210535.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Gretings! I thought I should tell you about a new spacerock-CD from Sweden. It?s Pseudo Sun with Juha Nurmenniemi (ex bass-player in drax) It was released a few week s ago and I?ve been listening to it many times and regard it as a very good spacerock-CD. Review of Juha Nurmenniemi?s debut CD: Pseudo sun - Future memoirs PSCD 9701 A swedish band with Juha on bass, guitars, keyboards and vocals, Gunnar Oberg on drums and a newly recruited guitar-player. On the CD more people play, for instance the drummer and the guitarist from darXtar. Some of the tracks on this CD has been on a demo-tape before but is now released together with some new tracks and was released a few weeks ago. If you like early darXtar (the three first CD?s) or spacerock in general this is a CD worth buying. Some of you may recognise Juha?s name from the earlier CD?s by drax. As I said above, this is spacerock with all the ingredients we like and want. Heavy guitars, tasty keyboards and lyrics about the magic and mysteries of space. The CD opens with "The future rears it?s ugly head" and this is good old drax with a slower pace with a heavy rhytm-section (bass and drums), sounds from outer space, and tasty guitars. This is an instrumental track but I think we got the picture without lyrics. Next track is "Fulcrum of time" which starts with some synths followed by a guitar playing heavy HW-riffs from the good old days. The guitar-playing is really tasty and well done. I like this kind of guitar-riffs which reminds me of "Brainstorm" and "Master of the universe", classical and immortal HW-tracks. This tracks contains vocals and the lyrics is about space (of course). Track three is called "The time traveller" and is a slower song with floating keyboards, nice vocals with interesting lyrics. The guitar is playing once again in a tasty way which reminds me more of soft progrock than spacerock but that is OK I think! Isn?t this a trend nowadays that bands are crossing the territories and mixing different styles? Listen to darxtar?s last CD "SJU" or Dark Sun?s "Feed your mind" and you will understand! "Middle of nothing" is a title which reminds me of remote areas somewhere in the world and that is perhaps what this track is about. If you?re living in Scandinavia you know what I?m talking about! This track opens with a guitar playing somewhat funky!?! with swirling synths and after a while we can hear space-vocals. A new way of playing spacerock? Really tasty if you ask me! "Secrets of infinity" is an acoustic track with a guitar playing lovely tunes and once again it?s a track containing vocals. In the background we can here sound from outerspace, O?boy do I like it!!! Time for the last track called "Signs of life", the longest track, almost 13 minutes. Once again a heavy track with chainsaw-guitars and lyrics performed brilliant. This is my favourite-track on this CD although all tracks are great without any weak spots. The reason why it?s my favourite is because it combines heavy metal and spacerock in a way we doesn?t hear that often. I think a CD should contains tracks that is spanning over the whole area from acoustic/ambient to HM, maybe a way of doing it more intersting for the listener? Regarding this CD I think the next CD will sound different since Juha wants to play other styles as well, although he will remain in the spacerock-field. I also hope that I can get a chance of seeing them live in the future, what do you say about that Juha? If you want to buy a copy please contact Juha at the following adress: Juha Nurmenniemi Biskop J?ns v?g 53 176 76 J?rf?lla Sweden -- ========================================================== "Hallucinations flash by my eyes. I see images of strange far away places. New chocking technology and civilations based on astral magic." >From "Astral magic" by Dark Sun Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Fax +46 70 6101310 / Phone +46 60 173716 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 15:31:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:31:28 +0200 Subject: B.O.C. gig in Copenhagen Aug. 9 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.213128.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Ola Nyberg wrote: >Dear Fellow Music Lovers, > >Does anybody know where the Copenhagen gig will take place, what time >(exactly) and where one can get a hold of tickets?!?! > Sorry guys but... Bara f?r att irritera alla andra s? tar vi det p? Svenska. :-) >I don't want to miss this! I haven't seen 'em since 1992 in Nancy, France. > Lyckost! Jag har aldrig sett dem... F?r att f? tag p? biljett kan du ringa till Julius Biljettservice (som ligger i Lund, telnr brukar finnas i kv?llstidningarnas fredagsbilagor d?r de listar kommande konserter... annars finns ju nummerupplysningen). Pris: Konserten 50(!) dKr + F?rk?p 10 dKr... men sedan tillkommer en massa skit bara f?r att vi bor Sverige vilket i slut?ndan ger ett pris p? cirkus 170kr. "Festivalen" b?rjar kl 14 och h?ller p? kl 21, ingen verkar veta n?r BOC spelar exakt men en kvalificerad gissning ?r n?gong?ng i mitten. Om det ?r n?gonting mer du undrar kan du v?l maila mig privat s? kanske jag kan svara. Vi syns hoppas jag!!! mvh -Daniel Wikdahl ps T?nk p? att du bara kan utnyttja SJs r?da avg?ngar om du best?ller biljett en vecka i f?rv?g... om du t?nkt ?ka t?g d v s. "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 15:46:16 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:46:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: Jethro Tull Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.214616.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > >"Orion" is good, but what about "Dun Ringill" ? Actually, I >didn't really care for _Stormwatch_ the first time I heard it, >but while my Tullitis was at its peak, I listened to it >repeatedly, and started to really enjoy it. HELLO THERE FRIEND IN SPACE :-) :-) This was almost word by word what I was thinking of answer MWood myself... "Dun Ringill" is one of my all-time fave Tull songs... and I didn't care about Stormwatch either at first but when my Tullitis comes (I have it one or two weeks every year) I listen to this album a lot. [about "A"] Never cared to buy this one... wasn't it ment to be a Ian Anderson solo-album and not a Tull-album? >>P.S.: Even "Catfish Rising"? "Rock Island"?!?!? > >_Catfish Rising_ has about an equal mix of hits and misses (I >love "Rocks on the Road"), but _Rock Island_ is mostly hits >(don't care for "Kissing Willie," but I really like "Whaler's >Dues" and "Another Christmas Song"). I'm surprised you didn't >mention _Under Wraps_, which is a truly horrid effort. Both CR and RI are IMHO quite strong albums... even Kissing Willie is fun... but "Under Wraps" is, as you say, "a truly horrid effort"... > >So that this post doesn't just concentrate on JT's mediocre >efforts, I'll mention that my favorites are _Songs from the >Wood_, _Heavy Horses_ (the title cut and "Moths" are two of >the best things they've ever done) "Acres Wild" ! , and _Broadsword and the >Beast_. "Pussy Willow"! ( I t h i n k the song is called...) Oh, and the _20 Years of JT_ boxed set. Almost >forgot _Living in the Past_. And _A Little Light Music_. >And, and, and... you get the idea. And and... "Minstrel In the Gallery" and and and "Stand Up"... just trying to help... -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 15:50:52 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:50:52 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.215052.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Christian: >...or a Norwegian Swedish :) For how long have you been living there? > >PS Daniel: I ain't gonna be there!! > >faen heller, Synd... det hade varit kul... -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From cannibal at CUTEY.COM Thu Jul 31 19:19:18 1997 From: cannibal at CUTEY.COM (Christian) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:19:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970731195052.0092f194@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.231918.0000.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 21:50 31.07.97 +0200, you wrote: >Christian: >>...or a Norwegian Swedish :) > >For how long have you been living there? Long nok til ? v?rra amerorsk vel... Fram og tilbake over de siste femogtyve ?rene - I have no idea hva jeg er longre! >> >>PS Daniel: I ain't gonna be there!! >> >>faen heller, > >Synd... det hade varit kul... Faktisk har jeg lekt med ideen ? kj?pe en enveis billett til NY for Strange Daze og s? finne ut hva i helvete jeg skal gj?re for ? komme tilbake!!! Christian ObCD: William Shatner _The Transformed Man_ ObLethalCombination: Beer & french curves From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 31 19:03:36 1997 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:03:36 -0400 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Jul 1997 to 31 Jul 1997 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.190336.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > Really? Even "Stormwatch" and "A"? I got rid of Stormwatch because "Orion" > > was the only slightly decent track on it (IMO). "A" I gave away because the > 25th [not 20th] Anniversary box has - IMO again - the definitive mix of > "Black Sunday", which is, like on Stormwatch, the only good track. > > Damon > > P.S.: Even "Catfish Rising"? "Rock Island"?!?!? IMHO Every one of the above mentioned records are at least good and worth keeping, except Stormwatch which is great, especially considered as the third part of a trilogy (i.e. Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses, Stormwatch). Rock Island (start the disk after Kissing Willie) is also better than people seem to think, and that tour stands out in my mind as one of the best of the later years... S Defoe From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 19:40:19 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:40:19 +0200 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Digest or Jethro Tull or whatever... Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.014019.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Steven Defoe wrote: >> P.S.: Even "Catfish Rising"? "Rock Island"?!?!? > >IMHO Every one of the above mentioned records are at least good and worth >keeping, except Stormwatch which is great, especially considered as the third >part of a trilogy (i.e. Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses, Stormwatch). Rock >Island (start the disk after Kissing Willie) is also better than people seem >to think, and that tour stands out in my mind as one of the best of the later >years... S Defoe > > Huh?!? I've heard this before -that people don't like "Killing Wissie"... "Kissing Willie"... but I can't understand why not... I like it... simply 'cos it rocks and it's funny... I can't see that's something wrong with that... But... as we are speaking of Tull... have you heard "Roots to Branches" (I believe that's the name...)...'cos I bought it without listening to it first when it was new 'cos the last albums had all been so good so I didn't think that Tull were going to such a bad record ( as it turned out to be) anymore... Shit! If I just look at it, standing in my shelf next to "Catfish Rising" and "Nightcap" and that sort of things then I start to cry... almost at least... I just can't find anything on that record that I like -where's the melodies? -where's the riffs? -where's the new exciting inventive music??? It's simply just "Catfish Rising" again _without_ melodies and songs!!! Maybe Ian is using the wrong hole when he's playing the flute on this one??? fylleh?lsning frp?n Sverige -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 19:45:28 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:45:28 +0200 Subject: BOC: Denmark Concerts Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.014528.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 11:19 PM 7/31/97 +0000, you wrote: >At 21:50 31.07.97 +0200, you wrote: >>Christian: >>>...or a Norwegian Swedish :) >> >>For how long have you been living there? > >Long nok til ? v?rra amerorsk vel... Fram og tilbake over de siste >femogtyve ?rene - I have no idea hva jeg er longre! Arma krake... :-) Du har inte t?nkt p? att flytta till Sverige? D? skulle du verkigem bli f?rvirrad... f?r d? skulle till och med spr?ket du talar vara fel... fast bara _n?stan_... men tillr?ckligt f?r att du skulle bli galen och b?rja ?verdosera "You Shouldn't do that" eller n?got liknande... :-) >>Synd... det hade varit kul... > >Faktisk har jeg lekt med ideen ? kj?pe en enveis billett til NY for Strange >Daze og s? finne ut hva i helvete jeg skal gj?re for ? komme tilbake!!! Du kan ju alltid simma... -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Thu Jul 31 19:46:09 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:46:09 -0400 Subject: off: djam karet In-Reply-To: <9707311429.AA15835@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.194609.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Craig Shipley writes: >obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / Reflections From The Firepool An excellent album. Have they done anything recently? Any other music that is in a related vein? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 19:48:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:48:22 +0200 Subject: HW: Pseudo sun Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.014822.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> At 09:05 PM 7/31/97 +0200, you wrote: >Gretings! > >I thought I should tell you about a new spacerock-CD from Sweden. >It?s Pseudo Sun with Juha Nurmenniemi (ex bass-player in drax) > [snip!] It sounds good to me, but is't impossible to find it in CD shop even here in Sweden??? I would like to listen to it before I buy it... mvh -Daniel Wikdahl "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 19:52:18 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:52:18 +0200 Subject: off: djam karet Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.015218.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Joseph Malcolm wrote: >Craig Shipley writes: >>obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / Reflections From The Firepool > >An excellent album. Have they done anything recently? Any other music >that is in a related vein? > > I like that name "Djam Karet"... what kind of music is it?!?! Where do I get it?!? Why am I so drumk tonight? -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 31 20:03:02 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:03:02 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind NYC 8/29 Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.200302.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hi All, OK here'e the scoop. Hawkwind/ Hansel und Gretel/ Alien Planetscapes/ Finally Balanced SOLAR FIRE LIGHTSHOW Tickets $15 in advance $20 day of show. Tickets are available now from TicketMaster 212-307-7171 Coney Island # is 212-674-7959 15 St. Marks Pl. Between 2nd & 3rd Av NYC The club is in the heart of Greenwich Village in Manhattan NOT A High School in Brooklyn. For directions and survival guide email me. Club is super cool no heavy handed security---do what u like--Just be discreet. regards, Bill Stewart From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 20:16:01 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:16:01 +0200 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Jul 1997 to 31 Jul 1997 Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.021601.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hi Maybe I'm just drunk and stupid but I have to admit that I never have understood the subject line "BOC-L Digest"... What does it mean? And why? mvh -Daniel "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jul 31 20:29:24 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:29:24 PDT Subject: off: djam karet In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970731235218.0090b514@mailbox.mc.hik.se>; from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Aug 1, 97 1:52 am Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.172924.PDT.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> > > Joseph Malcolm wrote: > >Craig Shipley writes: > >>obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / Reflections From The Firepool > > > >An excellent album. Have they done anything recently? Any other music > >that is in a related vein? > > > > New release is due soon. The original band is back together to make the release. Hope it is better than COLLABORATOR... > > I like that name "Djam Karet"... what kind of music is it?!?! Where do I = > get > it?!? Why am I so drumk tonight? > "Djam Karet" means "flexable time" in some language (Indian, Farsi, Swahili?) The band has been likened to King Crimson, although on RftF/p, there is a definite Pink Floyd flavor. All instrumental, emphasis on guitars and keys. The first one "RftF/p" is a must-have. The follow-up 2 CD set (but sold as seperate releases), BURNING THE HARD CITY and SUSPENSION AND DISPLACEMENT are like night and day; BtHC is a monster guitar workout and SaD is an ambient droning dark nightmare. Again, must-haves. A release of the band in its' early phase is THE RITUAL CONTINUES, a live set. Good tunes and well worth owning. The only release that really dosent trip my trigger is COLLABORATOR, which was an effort where various other artists contributed a part and the band went from there. I probably haven't given it the chance it should have..."Collaborators" includes Steve Roach, Loren Nerill, Walter Holland, Kit Watkins (I think) and a bunch of other folks I can't remember. The band releases the disks on their own label. Most any good prog source should stock them or be able to get them (the standard places in the US can help; don't know about you guys 'n gals across the Pond...) As to why you are so drunk tonight, who knows? Is it payday, end of week or (like me tomorrow) celebrating the departure of an unwanted and widely unloved CEO? :-) :-) :-) Nice to know that when you get blitzed, you get behind the keyboard instead of the wheel; we've already lost one of friends and thats' one too many... > -Daniel > > "Vad=E5 jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje =E5r" (CG) > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 > obCDPlayer: Camel / Nude -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Thu Jul 31 20:40:01 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (Ron Jennings) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:40:01 -0400 Subject: off: djam karet Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.204001.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> djam karet is an excellent band with "no commercial potential" (they had a release by that name. some of it sounds something like ozrics, and some of it borders on industrial. (tho i dont know a thing about the genre labelled industrial, i assume this is what it means.) rj Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > Joseph Malcolm wrote: > >Craig Shipley writes: > >>obCDPlayer: Djam Karet / Reflections From The Firepool > > > >An excellent album. Have they done anything recently? Any other music > >that is in a related vein? > > > > > > I like that name "Djam Karet"... what kind of music is it?!?! Where do I get > it?!? Why am I so drumk tonight? > > -Daniel > > "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) > > Daniel Wikdahl > Kaptensgatan 2a > S-39 236 KALMAR > SWEDEN > +46 480 245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jul 31 20:58:37 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:58:37 +0200 Subject: off: djam karet Message-ID: <FRI.1.AUG.1997.025837.0200.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Craig and Ron writes about Djam Karet and I answer: OK, sounds like something I would like to hear... I'll try to find Djam Karet CDs next time I'm in Stockholm. Craig: >As to why you are so drunk tonight, who knows? Is it payday, end of week That's it! I hope... >or >(like me tomorrow) celebrating the departure of an unwanted and widely unloved >CEO? :-) :-) :-) I'm looking forward to some uunreeeaadabbblllee e-mails tomorrow Craig. :-) >Nice to know that when you get blitzed, you get behind the >keyboard instead of the wheel; we've already lost one of friends and thats' >one too many... But I'm not at home right now(!)... I'm going to take a looong ( 1km!) ride on my bike to get home... the death behind the handlebars -that's me... -Daniel ObArchitect: Ylva "Vad? jultraditioner? Hos oss har vi nya traditioner varje ?r" (CG) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Thu Jul 31 20:57:03 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:57:03 -0500 Subject: off: djam karet In-Reply-To: <199707312346.TAA00618@nodens.uraeus.com> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.195703.0500.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hello Everybody, If you are interested i found this weeb page for djam karet at: http://www.sni.net/~dabshire/ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy,Through The Void hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Thu Jul 31 21:50:02 1997 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:50:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Skew the vote (maybe OFF:) In-Reply-To: <9707311821.AA24970@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.215002.0400.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Craig Shipley wrote: > > > > At 18:39 31.07.97 +0100, you wrote: > > >OK, I'm up for skewing the vote as best we can. I have two proper prog > > >albums I'll vote for (by Haze and The Enid) but we ought to decide on a > > >proper prog Hawkwind album. What about Levitation? Or Hall of the MG? What > > >do we reckon is the most prog HW? > > > > > > I'd also add Quark, Strangeness & Charm and suggest The Xenon Codex as > > other "proper" prog albums. Quark is the best!!!!! (IMO of course) > > > > Christian > > > Quark is good, but I think a better choice would be Warrior On The Edge Of > Time. Reason is that is thematically cohesive (aka "concept album") with the > exception of the last song. Plus it uses the Mellotron, a standard "prog-rock" > instrument (but so does HotMG, but it dosen't hang together like WotEoT does, > thematically. Quarks' first side hangs together, but the second side is a > little esoteric in song choices). I think WotEoT is the obvious choice and I'm all for skewing a vote. > But what about BOC's Secret Treaties as a great prog album? I'm not to up on my BOC so I'll leave that it your hands. I remain Adam From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jul 31 23:44:12 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:44:12 -0700 Subject: OFF: Prog Vote Message-ID: <THU.31.JUL.1997.204412.0700.BOCL@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU> Hm, another poll. I like people doing them, but the results are always unsatisfying. I mean, one hundred people vote three albums, and then there's a list of about 150 albums. The winners are the really great albums and those plugged by fan clubs having their subscribers send in as many votes as possible. A poll like that would work when there would be at least a couple of hundred voters. Maybe even more. Still, I like the idea... :-) Genesis - Nursery Cryme Nektar - Recycled Twelfth Night - Collectors Item Jerry ObNews: NEKTAR reunion