From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 1 07:01:15 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:01:15 +1000 Subject: HW: technicians of spaceship earth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 31 Dec 96 at 17:02, Antony & Debbie wrote: Happy New Years All! > 2 things: > i) what album(s) is the live version of "urban guerilla" from the hw > collection (the castlerock one i think) from? That version is from the "JW Tapes", otherwise known as the "Acid Daze" series ..... > ii) where is the codex hiding and has anyone hypertexed it? You can get that as a Zip file, or read it as text in your browser on my site .... I don't think anyone has hypertexted it as such. http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 1 07:07:37 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:07:37 +1000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <199612300223.VAA06671@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 29 Dec 96 at 22:18, RJ wrote: > i agree with you that brock/turner worked fantastically well > together.but,i do believe nik tried to merge his icu punk style in > with hw in the early 80's. nik turner is definitely unquestionably a > punker. but he is also a jazzman,and a spacerocker,and god knows > what else. And also plays 50's tracks and waltzes at Wedding Anniversaries ... 'tis true - I've seen the photo's! -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 1 07:12:37 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:12:37 +1000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <32C69EF2.67C7@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On 30 Dec 96 at 3:40, Max Wilcox wrote: > On a slightly different topic - do people think HW'll still > be touring > with Love in Space next year? They've got a bit of time to get > something new together between now and the tour, but I guess it's > not realy long enough. I seem to remember hearing something about > new material, but I can't remember that clearly... I think there was something in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter about some recording going on in the first few months of 97, but I can't find the dang thing to check! In any case, as the LiS EP release is to coincide roughly with the "Summer" (You can tell who hasn't been to Melbourne in June b4) Tour, I imagine it will be at least partly like Last year ... as long as they play Steppenwolf I'll be happy! (Scratch that - I'll be as happy as a pig in shit no matter what they play!) Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cipriano at COURANT.INFI.NET Wed Jan 1 03:20:22 1997 From: cipriano at COURANT.INFI.NET (Cipriano) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:20:22 +0000 Subject: Help me unsubscribe Message-ID: My New Year's Resolution is to unsuscribe from this list but "THEY" won't let me. HELP!!! If anyone knows how to get off this list please e-mail me with the instructions. BTW: Happy New Year everyone. -Paul From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jan 1 09:29:15 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:29:15 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <199701010731.SAA18051@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Paul G Ward wrote: > On 29 Dec 96 at 22:18, RJ wrote: > > > i agree with you that brock/turner worked fantastically well > > together.but,i do believe nik tried to merge his icu punk style in > > with hw in the early 80's. nik turner is definitely unquestionably a > > punker. but he is also a jazzman,and a spacerocker,and god knows > > what else. > > And also plays 50's tracks and waltzes at Wedding Anniversaries ... > 'tis true - I've seen the photo's! > One friend of mine , after seeing the "Night of the hawks" vid, asked "does Nik T actually have *any* talent?". I think he would think again if he heard ICU, PorF, PoT, and any other thing that the guy is involved with /played on. He has also written some cool tunes (D-Rider, Brainstorm, Stonehenge-who knows?, etc.). And wearing a tux at a Wedding anniversary, jammin' out tunes, has got to take the cake. Like to see some other contemporary rockers try to do that. (visions of Spinal Tap's "jazz era"). NIK RULES, Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jan 1 09:34:56 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:34:56 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <199701010736.SAA18066@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Paul G Ward wrote: > > I think there was something in Brian Tawn's latest newsletter about > some recording going on in the first few months of 97, but I can't > find the dang thing to check! In any case, as the LiS EP release > is to coincide roughly with the "Summer" (You can tell who hasn't > been to Melbourne in June b4) Tour, I imagine it will be at least > partly like Last year ... as long as they play Steppenwolf I'll be > happy! 'Tho I could live without "Kings of Speed". THey MUST play Psi Power. > > (Scratch that - I'll be as happy as a pig in shit no matter what they > play!) ...AND they can play anywhere...even my lounge room. (And Paul has seen my lounge room--grouse venue, eh?....for a chipmunk woodstock anyway) :) Troy From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 1 10:46:08 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:46:08 +1000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2 Jan 97 at 1:34, Troy Harris wrote: > > (Scratch that - I'll be as happy as a pig in shit no matter what > > they play!) > > ...AND they can play anywhere...even my lounge room. (And Paul > has seen > my lounge room--grouse venue, eh?....for a chipmunk woodstock > anyway) :) Hmmm .. we'll have to get Del back in the line-up if it's going to be your lounge ... PAul From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 1 11:41:46 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 02:41:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Hawkeye 6 Message-ID: Hi All, I don't suppose anyone out there has an electronic version of Age's Nik Turner interview from Hawkeye 6? If you do, I'd appreciate a copy so I can mail it someone (save me typing it up myself). Best, Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Jan 1 14:52:14 1997 From: halligan at EARTHLINK.NET (John Halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:52:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Utica concert review Message-ID: Captain Trip's Rainforest Preserve Utica, NY Dec. 28, 1996 Setlist: Stairway to the Stars O.D.'d On Life Itself E.T.I. Before the Kiss Harvest Moon * Buck's Boogie Cities On Flame Upstate NY (We drove 6hrs From York, PA) Blues In Thee Live For Me * Last Days of May Burnin' For You Godzilla Reaper Encore: Summer of Love Red & the Black * = songs on upcoming album Like the killer disease "Captain Tripps" in Steven King's "The Stand", Blue Oyster Cult came to Utica and infected everyone in the house. People of all ages (over 21) packed the Rainforest Preserve to the maximum, sharing memories of BOC shows past and waiting to be blown away once again. The BOC didn't let them down. "Stairway" opened the set as usual, with Eric back on vocals since the completion of Ezekiel's Wheel. This continued uninterupted into a guitar crunching, skull hammering version of "O.D'd". After a short delay due to Alan blowing out his amp, the band picked up where they left off with the crowd favorite, "E.T.I." After Buck whipped the crowd into a frenzy with "Before the Kiss", he introduced a song from their new album called "Harvest Moon". This song is reason enough to buy the new album! It's right up there with "Astronomy" and "Reaper" as one of BOC's best. Call up your local Classic Rock station and tell them to play this when it comes out in March! "Buck's Boogie" was spectacular as usual. John Micelli filled in for Chuck Burgi on drums, as he has in the past, and sounded like he's been touring with the band for ages. He kicked the boogie into overdrive and was firing on all cylinders for the rest of the show. "Cities On Flame" was slower and more menacing that I remember hearing it before. The crown sensed this and growled along with Eric to "Rock aaaaaand... ROLL!" Buck and his evil-looking Steinberger screamed out the lightning fast run, and everyone in the place went wild. After leaving the crowd raving with "COF", the Oyster Boys decided to slow things down before bringing the house back up with the big three. Alan showcased his acoustic guitar work with Buck on a short blues jam before diving into an interesting, if a bit light, version of "In Thee". The pop stylings of "In Thee" were a perfect introduction to another new song from BOC, "Live For Me". This tune has an extremely catchy guitar hook and is in the same vein as other Buck power-pop songs. This song would have fit in well with Buck's work with "The Red & The Black" in the early '90s. The extended solo song that they chose for this night was "The Last Days of May" with Buck providing some background info on the story. Buck's solo gradually gained speed until it couldn't go any further, then slammed on the brakes, leaving the crowd gasping while the band finished the last verse. Of the big three, "Godzilla" came across the best. Micelli is a great drummer, and I've been extremely impressed with what Danny Miranda has brought to BOC. Their solos in "Godzilla" were fantastic. Hopefully Miranda's busy bass lines will not be buried in the mix of the new album. When the band played "The Red & The Black" in their encore, Micelli's high-energy drumming turned it into a kind of supersonic version. Since I was standing towards the front, I didn't see anyone leave after "Reaper" like Theo did. The people around me seemed to really enjoy the show, and the new songs got an excellent reaction from the crowd. This definately has me psyched to hear the rest of the new album. I even have hope that BOC might get some airplay for one or more of these songs. Brian ________________________________________________________ Brian T. Halligan "Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu" Alfred University Communication Studies- '97 "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing. We want to be free, free as the wind." -Frank Zappa ________________________________________________________ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 2 06:26:33 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 07:26:33 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > From: "Ted Jackson jr. > > > >The drummer was somebady filling in. They said his name but I don't > remember, but > >they said he's from Meatloaf's band. > > A new drummer? Hold that thought. I didn't really get the sense that he was a new guy, but rather just filling in for that gig. My recollection is somewhat hazy [hey, by that time, I was somewhat hazy...] but they didn't introduce him as their new drummer. Wouldn't break my heart if it were true, as this guy could pound with the best of them. He had Albert's style without actually copying Albert. In other words, he could sound like him without playing his actual licks. Very cool. BOC would do well to sign this guy up, but they'd have to lure him away from a [I presume] big paycheck with Meatloaf... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 2 08:20:52 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:20:52 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: Yeah, John (or is it Jon?) Micelli filled in on I believe 3 dates for Chuck Burgi, who is the band's current drummer. Micelli has filled in a few times (in '92 and at the end of '95) in the past and from all reports is the best drummer BOC has had in years. X-Ray Eyes may have been done only once or twice, but is supposed to be on the upcoming album. Reports on Eric are mixed. I read some stuff on AOL regarding the shows and most thought the band kicked ass at the recent shows. A few mentioned that Eric was in much better form than he was in October, which is encouraging. Then again, it sounds as if he's still not his old self. My biggest concern is that the band's setlist appears to be shrinking by one or two songs, and is about as STALE as I've seen it. With the exception of the 2 new songs (and even doing "Harvest Moon" every show for the past 2 or 3 years seems old hat - what with all the choices of "new material" they have), this is the same setlist they've been doing for years. What happened to The Vigil? Lips in the Hills? Shooting Shark? Flaming Telepaths? See You in Black? and on and on... Some of these can be attributed to Eric's recent vocal troubles (he may be better, but the setlist is still very Buck-oriented as far as lead vocals go), but not all. One has to wonder why with a new album with some very good tunes on it due out in a few months, and a massive catalog of great old material (some of which hasn't been done in years), why do they continue to simply re-cycle the same stuff? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 2 08:35:32 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:35:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Latest tour dates Message-ID: >From an Eric Bloom AOL post: Jan 22 Salt Lake City The Holly Cow 23 Boise, ID Bogey's 24 Springfield, OR Mill Camp 25 Klamath Falls, OR Waldo's 26 Kelso, WA Longview Trophies 27 Spokane, WA Northern Corner 28 Bellingham, WA Royal Inn 29 Burnaby, BC Studebaker's Feb 1 Tacoma, WA Masonic Ballroom 14 New Haven, CT Toad's Place 15 Farmingdale, NY Tommy Knockers From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 2 07:40:34 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:40:34 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Reports on Eric are mixed. I read some stuff on AOL regarding the shows > and most thought the band kicked ass at the recent shows. A few mentioned > that Eric was in much better form than he was in October, which is > encouraging. Then again, it sounds as if he's still not his old self. > Curiously consistent with the theory that AOL is very much pro-3OC. I think a lot of people are just so happy to see them on the road and working on a new disc, that they're willing to overlook much in the interest of their enthusiasm. I confess to falling into this group from time to time... > My biggest concern is that the band's setlist appears to be shrinking by > one or two songs, and is about as STALE as I've seen it. With the > exception of the 2 new songs (and even doing "Harvest Moon" every show > for the past 2 or 3 years seems old hat - what with all the choices of > "new material" they have), this is the same setlist they've been doing > for years. What happened to The Vigil? Lips in the Hills? Shooting > Shark? Flaming Telepaths? See You in Black? and on and on... Some I was really disappointed that they didn't do 'Lips.' I think I've only heard them do this one once. FT I can understand given EB's vocal problems. That's a tough song when he's at his best. Not having seen them in so long, the material played didn't bother me at all... > of these can be attributed to Eric's recent vocal troubles (he may be > better, but the setlist is still very Buck-oriented as far as lead vocals > go), but not all. One has to wonder why with a new album with some > very good tunes on it due out in a few months, and a massive catalog of > great old material (some of which hasn't been done in years), why do > they continue to simply re-cycle the same stuff? > > John I hear ya. I think it must be that they think these songs go over better with the crowds than others? Or maybe they're songs that the band feels most confident in performing? The worst thing about a stagnant set list is that it implies that BOC has resigned itself to being a nostalgia act. They seem to think that fans won't accept a little diversity, which I don't think is the case. The Utica crowd certainly accepted the new songs. They even liked 'In Thee' which is somewhat out of character for a crunching band like BOC. The true test will be when the new disc comes out. Will they only play a couple of songs from it, or will they truly promote the record by playing most all of it? If they don't have enough confidence in the new material to play it all live, how can they expect the fans to get behind it? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 2 09:24:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:24:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Are you ready for THIS?? Message-ID: Just checked "ICE" Magazine's website for upcoming CD releases. NOTE: THIS IS NOT A JOKE . . . According to their "From the Vaults" page, *Club Ninja* is going to be (re-)released on February 18th! Check the URL out for yourself if you don't believe me: http://www.icemagazine.com/ice/docs/release.html Weird . . . John From Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Jan 2 12:36:21 1997 From: Corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Mike Habiby) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:36:21 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Jan 1997 to 2 Jan 1997 Message-ID: And a very happy New Year to all: Been lurking for a while now and just wanted to cover two points: 1) express how much I enjoy gleaning info re: my two favorite bands from this list. obviously some of you are very intune with these bands and hearing from you is great for this fan isolated in Albany NY. 2) although I have been a great hawk fan for many years, there was a period where I lost touch with the band. this drought was ended by the discovery of the Griffin box set of WoEoT. so i almost have everyting now on cd or album. my confusion is about recent bands and spin-offs, can someone direct me to either a place on the net with a really good faq about the makeup of alien4, nt's bands etc, or email me privately or publicly with info on these bands thank you - 1 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jan 2 04:55:16 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:55:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Pretty Things In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" writes >Drink a lot, Drive Fast, Take chances, and smoke in bed! >theo If you must smoke in bed, wear a T-shirt. Otherwise the hot rocks will land on your chest. YOW!! (As if you didn't know already!) I got the Pretty Things Box Set for X-mas from my brother, and it's signed by the band. Your starter for two points....Name one HW/PT connection. For two bonus points, which one I am thinking of? :-) -- Jon Browne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 2 14:14:21 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:14:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: I hear that in the new movie "Beavis and Butthead do America", it is revealed that the fathers of B & B are in fact roadies for Motorhead! Martyn back at work :-( From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 2 15:11:19 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:11:19 UT Subject: HW: Pretty Things Message-ID: > Your starter for two points....Name one HW/PT connection. > For two bonus points, which one I am thinking of? :-) Viv Prince used to step in for Terry Ollis? - Andy From chip at PCC.COM Thu Jan 2 15:47:41 1997 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:47:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: DFTR in new movie "Scream" In-Reply-To: <9701021914.AA12475@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jan 2, 97 02:14:21 pm Message-ID: In the new Wes Craven movie, Scream, a band called "GUS" does an acoustic version of "Don't Fear the Reaper" - it's really very good. Anyone know anything more? -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Jan 2 16:58:23 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:58:23 -0500 Subject: HW:Catch A Falling Star(fighter) Message-ID: Ummm, back from hols: Maybe I'm a little dumb and I'm the only person in the world that hadn't figured this out, maybe not..... The last song on Captain Lockheed (essential, essential listening) is the ironic masterpiece Catch A Falling Starfighter Over the hols someone was reciting the words to the song"Catch A Falling Star" which is undoubtedly the genesis of Mr Calverts song (many similar lines) Now I've never heard of this song, person reciting said he thought it was from Pinochio or some such Disney movie. So did the rest of you know this already or what ??? Cheers, Steve L. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 2 17:40:03 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:40:03 UT Subject: Catch A Falling Star(fighter) Message-ID: "Catch a falling star/and put it in your pocket/save it for a rainy day (?)" Yep, old chestnut. But the Disney song is "When you wish upon a star", isn't it? - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 2 17:44:54 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:44:54 -0500 Subject: Catch A Falling Star(fighter) Message-ID: ---------- From: Stephen Lindsey[SMTP:stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 1997 4:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW:Catch A Falling Star(fighter) Ummm, back from hols: Welcome back (I'm still on vacation, but just dorking around...)! Maybe I'm a little dumb and I'm the only person in the world that hadn't figured this out, maybe not..... The last song on Captain Lockheed (essential, essential listening) is the ironic masterpiece Catch A Falling Starfighter Correct. Over the hols someone was reciting the words to the song"Catch A Falling Star" which is undoubtedly the genesis of Mr Calverts song (many similar lines) Now I've never heard of this song, person reciting said he thought it was from Pinochio or some such Disney movie. "Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket, save it for a rainy day?" Don't know if it is from Disney or not, anyone else know? If memory serves, this was written in the '30's or '40's. As the Starfighter is one of the archetype '50's jetfighters, I guess the song doesn't quite fit the era... ;-) But "Catch a falling star" has been used in literary circles for many a moon, I would suspect... So, who knows???? So did the rest of you know this already or what ??? By my answer, at least one other of us doesn't. :-) Cheers, Steve L. Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com objCan'tBelieveIGotThisAssignment!: I have to install computer systems on cruise ships, starting February. Part of the installs will be while the ship is under way. Have I been bad or what??? :-) (Had to share this with someone...) "I get paid for doing THIS"-Steve Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2533 bytes Desc: not available URL: From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Thu Jan 2 18:50:40 1997 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 02:50:40 +0300 Subject: HW: Pretty Things Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > Your starter for two points....Name one HW/PT connection. > > For two bonus points, which one I am thinking of? :-) > > Viv Prince used to step in for Terry Ollis? No, Dick Taylor co-producing with the band the first HW album! And also playing on some tunes, according to Watson's 'Born To Go' BTW, last summer I've seen Pretty Things (and Hawkwind the next day!) on Burg Herzberg Open Air. I haven't heard much of their music before, so I wasn't a big fan, but I became a one after this gig! They were absolutely great, so full of young energy and drive - I didn't expected it from this bunch of old 60-ers!. I enjoyed them so much! Yuri From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 2 16:27:27 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:27:27 -0000 Subject: DFTR in new movie "Scream" Message-ID: > In the new Wes Craven movie, Scream, a band called "GUS" does an > acoustic version of "Don't Fear the Reaper" - it's really very > good. Anyone know anything more? > nope. but there is also a version at the end of "frighteners" by a band called the 'mutton birds' or similar. sounded like a mix of rem and cobain doing boc. rj From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Thu Jan 2 22:11:42 1997 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:11:42 -0500 Subject: cd's Message-ID: hello i was wondering: are the tracks on "the best and the rest" the same as those on acid daze/anthology I, in particular "urban guerilla" and "spirit of the age" -- is this guerilla the same as the one on the hw collection (castle) and spirit the same as on live 79 (is it on live 79? or is it on collection, or both, and if so, the same?) i'm confused, are you? wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Jan 3 04:40:19 1997 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:40:19 -0000 Subject: Email Message-ID: Dear Cyberfriends, Please note that my connection to the Internet & hence my ability to send and receive mail terminates at 12.30 pm today. I anticipate that I will be reconnected sometime within the next couple of weeks, I will forward my new address as soon as I am able. In the meantime, best wishes for the New Year. Regards Mike P. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 3 04:59:23 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:59:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Pretty Things In-Reply-To: <32CC49CF.2E0B@hermitage.ru> Message-ID: In message <32CC49CF.2E0B at hermitage.ru>, Yuri Elik writes > >No, Dick Taylor co-producing with the band the first HW album! >And also playing on some tunes, according to Watson's 'Born To Go' All four points to Yuri! > >BTW, last summer I've seen Pretty Things (and Hawkwind the next day!) on >Burg Herzberg Open Air. I haven't heard much of their music before, so I >wasn't a big fan, but I became a one after this gig! They were >absolutely great, so full of young energy and drive - I didn't expected >it from this bunch of old 60-ers!. I enjoyed them so much! > >Yuri Their 60's stuff is great! Especially The S.F. Sorrow and Parachute albums. Twink (Pink Fairies, Pinkwind) was also their drummer for a while. -- Jon Browne From imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG Fri Jan 3 06:51:52 1997 From: imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 06:51:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: >From: Martyn White >I hear that in the new movie "Beavis and Butthead do America", >it is revealed that the fathers of B & B are in fact >roadies for Motorhead! I remember it as Motley Crue. (if it had been Motorhead, I'd remember it clearly) -Grant From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jan 3 08:21:44 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:21:44 +1000 Subject: OFF: On-line CD store Message-ID: I thought some of you might be interested in a fairly cheap on-line CD store which someone mailed to me.... yes they stock HW and BOC http://www.pentagon.net Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 3 08:57:18 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:57:18 UT Subject: HW: Catch A Falling Star(fighter) Message-ID: The hit version was by the great Perry Como, btw. - Andy From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 3 10:16:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:16:00 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 2 Jan 1997 to 3 Jan 1997 Message-ID: Imagine a license plate that says 3M TA3. What would people think of you when you drove by. 8^). John>"X-Ray Eyes may have been done only once or twice, but is supposed to be on the upcoming album." Have you heard this one JS? Its a great song. Guess I'm just priveledged. 8^). JS>"Reports on Eric are mixed. I read some stuff on AOL regarding the shows and most thought the band kicked ass at the recent shows." Well as a fan you always hope that they do kick a lil A**. I love to see them and do every year for the last few. However their last appearance here was their first show in a while and to be honest they were not that tight. Bucks guitar dominated everything and the vocal mix was atrocious. Lips were moving but very little could be understood. Better than most bands but by their own standards not a very good performance. Talking to Alan and Danny after the show they were not real happy with the set. Nothing seems to faze Buck anymore, he continued to smile. JS>"My biggest concern is that the band's setlist appears to be shrinking by one or two songs, and is about as STALE as I've seen it." The club scene is their livelihood , where they derive their revenue. Stands to reason that they would not or could not stay away from the road too long. Maybe they just aren't happy with the live versions of the new album yet. They may still be working on the bugs. Eric's apparent health problems only make this worse. From the tour dates you posted they will be doing 8 shows in 8 cities in 8 days. They have some time before this trip begins but is it enough to radically re-do the setlist, especially with a stand -in drummer? Probably not. What they are playing now they can play in their sleep. In line with the recent HW thread about bands evoving etc., most bands do this by members departing (mutual decsion or untimely death) or simply re-making themselves. Change can be good even drastic changes. Suppose Eric's health problems force him to retire and Buck, Alan, Danny et. al. decide to carry on. They go out and get some young vocalist who can really wail way (James Labrie or Geoff Tate? Oooh what a dream) who can do both Eric's and Al's vox fairly well. I think most of us would still go to see/hear them when they hit our burg. The re-releasing of Club Ninja is welcome news. I want it bad. lil' ab ob CD - Galactic Cowboys - Galactic Cowboys ****************************************************************** Good Morning students. The Thompkins R- 5 school district lunch menu for today Shepards Pie; shredded carrot and raisin cup; seasoned green beans, fudgecicles, a cookie, half pint of cold milk, and for the Catholic Students.... Fish ******************************************************* From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jan 3 10:07:50 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:07:50 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Jan 2, 97 08:40:34 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > > of these can be attributed to Eric's recent vocal troubles (he may be > > better, but the setlist is still very Buck-oriented as far as lead vocals > > go), but not all. One has to wonder why with a new album with some > > very good tunes on it due out in a few months, and a massive catalog of > > great old material (some of which hasn't been done in years), why do > > they continue to simply re-cycle the same stuff? > > I hear ya. I think it must be that they think these songs go over > better with the crowds than others? Or maybe they're songs that the > band feels most confident in performing? The worst thing about a Well, I gather from listening to Albert and from reading the Goldmine article and such, that the band has never been much for hanging around together, except when working on an album. Apparently, even in the "old days", they used to only get together to do concerts and to record. These days, with all of them having family lives and such, that seems to be even more true. In light of this, it seems logical that the reason the setlist stays constant is because all the band members can play that standard set on a moment's notice - all they have to do is show up the night of the concert, and play the same tunes that they've always played. Working up new tunes to do in concert would mean getting together to practice them in their "spare time", i.e. interfering with family life and private time, etc. Frankly, I'm guessing that at this stage in their lives and careers, their family lives are more important to them than the continued "progress" of the band, and I'll be damned if I'll blame them for that... I'm not saying that they don't want to do new tunes or put out that new album, but that there are obvious limits on their desire to do so, and other matters that clearly take greater precedence. I'm speculating here, of course, but I think there's visible evidence that this is the case. (i.e. if any of them really had a burning desire to have that new album out, it would be out by now). Steve swann at panix.com From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Jan 3 10:35:05 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:35:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER -Reply Message-ID: >>> Imaginos 01/03/97 04:51am >>> >From: Martyn White >I hear that in the new movie "Beavis and Butthead do America", >it is revealed that the fathers of B & B are in fact >roadies for Motorhead! I remember it as Motley Crue. (if it had been Motorhead, I'd remember it clearly) -Grant >>>>>>>>>>>.. I'll second that. They were roadies for Motley Crue. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 3 09:39:16 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:39:16 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > > Well, I gather from listening to Albert and from reading the Goldmine > article and such, that the band has never been much for hanging around > together, except when working on an album. Apparently, even in the > "old days", they used to only get together to do concerts and to > record. These days, with all of them having family lives and such, > that seems to be even more true. Right! Commencing with Spectres, I believe, the band used to write songs individually, demo them alone, and bring them to the group to see which ones they'd use. Apparently there was a good bit of internecine squabbling from that time also. Egos, wives/girlfriends clashing, etc... > > In light of this, it seems logical that the reason the setlist stays > constant is because all the band members can play that standard set on > a moment's notice - all they have to do is show up the night of the True. It appears as though they accept many gigs on relatively short notice. > concert, and play the same tunes that they've always played. Working > up new tunes to do in concert would mean getting together to practice > them in their "spare time", i.e. interfering with family life and > private time, etc. > Yeah, and also having to pay for rehearsal time, equipment rental etc. I think BOC could give Led Wallet Page a run for his money... > Frankly, I'm guessing that at this stage in their lives and careers, > their family lives are more important to them than the continued > "progress" of the band, and I'll be damned if I'll blame them for > that... I'm not saying that they don't want to do new tunes or put > out that new album, but that there are obvious limits on their desire > to do so, and other matters that clearly take greater precedence. > I wouldn't blame them either, but it's bad business to put out a new record and not be prepared to promote the hell out of it, esp. given the long space between records. Get out there and do something with the records and then if it flies, you might have some time to relax. Who knows how many more chances they'll get to do this right? > I'm speculating here, of course, but I think there's visible evidence > that this is the case. (i.e. if any of them really had a burning > desire to have that new album out, it would be out by now). > > Steve > swann at panix.com Well, shit or get off the pot! theo From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Fri Jan 3 10:44:57 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:44:57 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: Steve writes: > > Working up new tunes to do in concert would mean getting together to practice > them in their "spare time", i.e. interfering with family life and > private time, etc. > I have a hard time believing that as accomplished professionals,in the business for more than 25 years, they can't splash out a couple of off the cuff tunes for their rabid fans who show up for these bar gigs. Heck most wouldnt even care if they screwed up in the middle of a song. If they are so concerned with the details of the performance and afraid to make some missteps it doesn't follow that their sound and equipment is so poorly set up half the time. RR obCD: Vanessa Williams, Star Bright From des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET Fri Jan 3 11:01:46 1997 From: des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET (E F) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:01:46 -0500 Subject: TBS -Box of Hammers Message-ID: Hi, I guess this message is mostly for Al and Debra, is it too late to order Box of Hammers? I didn't get a chance back when the mailing went out (I have excuses...) Regards, --Eric des at interactive.net --Listeing to the latest Patti Smith CD right now and It's great (GREAT!) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 3 10:03:35 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:03:35 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: > From: Ross Reyes > RR > > obCD: Vanessa Williams, Star Bright !!!!! RR, you're full of surprises! At least the cover art would make this one worthwhile, I reckon... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 3 13:30:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: Steve writes: >Frankly, I'm guessing that at this stage in their lives and careers, their family lives are more important to them than the continued "progress" of the band, and I'll be damned if I'll blame them for that... I'm not saying that they don't want to do new tunes or put out that new album, but that there are obvious limits on their desire to do so, and other matters that clearly take greater precedence. Well, that makes sense . . . BUT: At this point in BOC's career, they need to do something to ensure themselves some sort of future, assuming that they intend to do this bit for the foreseable future. Their fan base is probably still shrinking, to the point where I suspect that most of the folks at their current shows have seen the band many times in the past. How much longer are these fans going to want to go to future BOC shows if the setlist will be identical to the one they heard last fall, and last spring, and the year before that ... o.k. you get the point. The hardcore on-line fans are screaming for new stuff, or bringing back old stuff that hasn't been done in years (check out one of the AOL chats, and discussions on the AOL BOC boards). I'm sure the hardcore fans that aren't on-line probably feel the same way. And while there is a small contingent of "new" fans (perhaps that just showed up at the bar the night BOC played there, hoping to hear the next Alice in Chains or something) that don't realize they're hearing what we've all heard for years, I suspect that is a very small minority. If BOC hopes to do more than play shows for another few years to even smaller crowds than they currently do (possibly being the opening act on some of these "classic rock" multi-act package tours), then IMHO they need to do more than just tread water. They need to generate interest from new fans, and start catering a bit more to their current (and ever-decreasing numbers of) fans. As I say in the FAQ, "We watch . . . and wait . . . and pray . . ." John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Jan 3 13:57:52 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:57:52 +0000 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist In-Reply-To: <199701031830.NAA19459@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > The > hardcore on-line fans are screaming for new stuff, or bringing back old > stuff that hasn't been done in years (check out one of the AOL chats, > and discussions on the AOL BOC boards). If they could be persuaded, I would like to hear: Quicklime Girl Astronomy Magna of Illusion Wings Wetted Down Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation under that name and not play the sodding number?) Del Rio's Song Nosferatu Or maybe the Brain Surgeons would like to have a crack at one or two of those? - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 3 13:27:45 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 14:27:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: > From: M R Godwin > > If they could be persuaded, I would like to hear: > > Quicklime Girl > Astronomy > Magna of Illusion > Wings Wetted Down > Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation under that > name and not play the sodding number?) > Del Rio's Song > Nosferatu > > Or maybe the Brain Surgeons would like to have a crack at one or two of > those? > Well, for sure, that'll be the only way you'll ever hear any of the 'Imaginos' songs performed by any member, past or present, of BOC... I saw BOC many times in the old days, and I've never heard them do Wings, Quicklime or Workshop. Nosferatu, I heard once, if memory serves, though they're all great songs which I'm sure most old-time BOC fans would really dig hearing theo From halligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Jan 3 18:08:33 1997 From: halligan at EARTHLINK.NET (John Halligan) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:08:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: >> From: M R Godwin >> >> If they could be persuaded, I would like to hear: >> >> Quicklime Girl >> Astronomy >> Magna of Illusion >> Wings Wetted Down >> Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation under that >> name and not play the sodding number?) >> Del Rio's Song >> Nosferatu >> >> Or maybe the Brain Surgeons would like to have a crack at one or two of >> those? >> > >Well, for sure, that'll be the only way you'll ever hear any of the >'Imaginos' songs performed by any member, past or present, of BOC... > >I saw BOC many times in the old days, and I've never heard them do >Wings, Quicklime or Workshop. Nosferatu, I heard once, if memory >serves, though they're all great songs which I'm sure most old-time >BOC fans would really dig hearing >theo The Brain Surgeons have too much of their own great material to play all of our fave BOC songs, besides they are not BOC. If Al feels like including some of these in the live shows, it's up to the band. If it came to playing either Nosferatu or My Civilization, I'd rather hear the latter. BOC definately needs to rework its set though... I would've enjoyed hearing a set of most of the new songs- and I've only seen the band TWICE! BOC needs to keep the die-hards interested. New fans at the shows probably only know the big three anyway, so they can play anything they want as long as the crowd gets their shot of The Reaper. Brian ________________________________________________________ Brian T. Halligan "Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu" Alfred University Communication Studies- '97 "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing. We want to be free, free as the wind." -Frank Zappa ________________________________________________________ From stayer at PI.NET Fri Jan 3 21:42:52 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:42:52 PST Subject: Halloween Message-ID: I don't know if this is in the faq, but I guess it should be somewhere. I programmed the video to record Jekyll And Hyde, but also the credits of Halloween (1978) were recorded. Besides the music especially written for that movie, Don't Fear The Reaper was also mentioned. I didn't see the movie, so I cannot say where they put the song. Jerry From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jan 3 21:18:54 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:18:54 -0500 Subject: Halloween In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Jerry wrote: > I don't know if this is in the faq, but I guess it should be somewhere. I > programmed the video to record Jekyll And Hyde, but also the credits of > Halloween (1978) were recorded. Besides the music especially written for > that movie, Don't Fear The Reaper was also mentioned. I didn't see the > movie, so I cannot say where they put the song. I haven't seen the film in quite a while, but I remember the song being played on the car stereo when the Bad Girl[tm] and the Good Girl[tm] run into the Bad Girl's Father[tm] (a policeman, so I recall), having just been toking on a joint. This is during the day, before all the mayhem starts, so I guess it would be quite early in the film. The song doesn't play for very long; just a snippet. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Material, _The Third Power_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jan 4 01:50:19 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:50:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: >I hear that in the new movie "Beavis and Butthead do America", >it is revealed that the fathers of B & B are in fact >roadies for Motorhead! Nope. Motley Cr?e.... and ex-roadies at that. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Jan 4 02:12:54 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:12:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: >As I say in the FAQ, "We watch . . . and wait . . . and pray . . ." "Everybody's praying..." =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 4 02:56:52 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:56:52 PST Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: Theo said: >I saw BOC many times in the old days, and I've never heard them do >Wings, Quicklime or Workshop. Nosferatu, I heard once, if memory >serves, though they're all great songs which I'm sure most old-time >BOC fans would really dig hearing I believe there are at least some tapes including those songs. Except for Nosferatu, I am sure I don't have a live version of that. But now I think of it, I don't remember Workshop and Wings... :-( Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 4 02:54:08 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:54:08 PST Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: If Mike Godwin "could be persuaded [he] would like to hear: >Quicklime Girl >Astronomy >Magna of Illusion >Wings Wetted Down >Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation under that > name and not play the sodding number?) >Del Rio's Song >Nosferatu Ha! Great to see my favourite BOC tunes listed here! Exactly my list, only BOC / Subhuman is missing. >Or maybe the Brain Surgeons would like to have a crack at one or two of >those? Hey, only when they play in Europe! They've got to save some special treat for long-awaiting fans... :-) Jerry From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Sat Jan 4 13:33:30 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:33:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Jerry wrote: > If Mike Godwin "could be persuaded [he] would like to hear: > >Quicklime Girl > >Astronomy > >Magna of Illusion > >Wings Wetted Down > >Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation under that > > name and not play the sodding number?) > >Del Rio's Song > >Nosferatu > > Ha! Great to see my favourite BOC tunes listed here! Exactly my list, only > BOC / Subhuman is missing. 'll go along with that! Especially that version with the long weird intro off 'Live In The West'. With regard to live performance of 'Workshop' the old EP version (now on the eponymous double CD) is live - isn't it? So how long ago did it get dropped? - Mike Godwin From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Jan 4 20:30:06 1997 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:30:06 -0800 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >I saw BOC many times in the old days, and I've never heard them do > >Wings, Quicklime or Workshop. Nosferatu, I heard once, if memory > >serves, though they're all great songs which I'm sure most old-time > >BOC fans would really dig hearing > > I believe there are at least some tapes including those songs. Except for > Nosferatu, I am sure I don't have a live version of that. But now I think of > it, I don't remember Workshop and Wings... :-( > > Jerry > Replying to what Theo said, I actually have heard Workshop at an old show in Columbus, Ohio in the mid-80's. I have also heard Nosferatu, but think they truncated it a bit. - Passerby From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 4 23:43:52 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 23:43:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: On 4-JAN-1997 13:37:08.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Jerry wrote: >> If Mike Godwin "could be persuaded [he] would like to hear: >> >Quicklime Girl >> >Astronomy >> >Magna of Illusion >> >Wings Wetted Down >> >Workshop of the Telescopes (how can they put out a compilation >under that > > name and not play the >sodding number?) > >Del Rio's Song >> >Nosferatu >> >> Ha! Great to see my favourite BOC tunes listed here! Exactly my >list, only > BOC / Subhuman is missing. >'ll go along with that! Especially that version with the long weird >intro off 'Live In The West'. >With regard to live performance of 'Workshop' the old EP version (now on >the eponymous double CD) is live - isn't it? So how long ago did it get >dropped? >- Mike Godwin It's also on Nail You Down, an official CD bootleg. Chuck `[1;36;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 4 23:44:31 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 23:44:31 -0500 Subject: cd's Message-ID: On 2-JAN-1997 22:19:36.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >hello >i was wondering: are the tracks on "the best and the rest" the same as >those on acid daze/anthology I, in particular "urban guerilla" and >"spirit of the age" -- is this guerilla the same as the one on the hw >collection (castle) Same Guerilla and Spirit on all those. and spirit the same as on live 79 (is it on live >79? or is it on collection, or both, and if so, the same?) >i'm confused, are you? >wal Yes! I feel your pain. But the Spirit on Best-Rest/Collection is different from the Spirit of '79, but they are almost identical. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' >PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony >"To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher >------------------ Chuck------------------------------------------------------ `[1;35;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Sun Jan 5 13:23:40 1997 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:23:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist In-Reply-To: from "M R Godwin" at Jan 4, 97 06:33:30 pm Message-ID: > With regard to live performance of 'Workshop' the old EP version (now on > the eponymous double CD) is live - isn't it? So how long ago did it get > dropped? I've heard Workshop live within the last 2 1/2 years.. though I can't recall if it was at the Edge in Cleveland or at the Toy Tiger in Louisville. They seem to do it -- just rarely. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Jan 5 20:14:17 1997 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:14:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy & Shakespeare? Message-ID: Hi folks, back in the temporary cyber-saddle for a quick dip o' the boc-l in the new year! I read in the paper that Lemmy is doing the voice of a character in an 'experimental' version of Romeo & Juliet! Bizarre eh? Definetly a must-see... I'm hoping he's Romeo (hell, even better if he played Juliet!!!) "I'll be back!!" Christian From mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM Mon Jan 6 00:10:18 1997 From: mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:10:18 -0800 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > It's also on Nail You Down, an official CD bootleg. Chuck I've never heard of "Nail You Down." This isn't the 4 song CD that is sometimes called "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", is it? Best regards, Richard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jan 6 00:11:15 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:11:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down In-Reply-To: <32D0893A.2C76@sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Richard Manny wrote: > HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > > > It's also on Nail You Down, an official CD bootleg. Chuck > > I've never heard of "Nail You Down." This isn't the 4 song CD that is > sometimes called "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", is it? Nope. It's a CD bootleg on the Oh Boy! label (OH BOY 1-9149), recorded live at Perkins Palace, Pasadena, CA, 1983. It contains 13 tracks and runs just over 78 minutes. Personally, I like it quite a bit. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jan 6 01:12:14 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:12:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: I read recently on alt.fan.frank-zappa that the huge UWP lyrics archive has now closed its doors thanks to pressure from the music industry. I guess we can bury it next to OLGA (On-Line Guitar Archive) in the "Great Services Cut Down In Their Prime" plot of the Internet Hall of Fame cemetary. I've reproduced the UWP announcement below. Now how does that Hawkwind song go again, "...all we do is get screwed up on other people's floors." Hey, where's there a decent lyric archive when ya need one?... :-) Mourning the loss of a damn fine resource, Paul. obCD: Blue Oyster Cult, _Nail You Down_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. ---------- Forwarded announcement ---------- Sorry, the Lyrics Page and the Lyrics FTP archive is no longer available for public access. The University of Wisconsin was contacted by representatives of the music industry. On the advice of legal council, we have closed the archive and we are investigating other means to make this data available. It was fun while it lasted & thanks for your support and kind words. Before you ask: No, I cannot make the entire archive available in one huge file. Sorry, I do not know of any sites that may still have a copy of the archive. If they are still out there, the University of Wisconsin and I (Dave Datta) have no connection with them. I have no resources or wish to fight lawyers on my own and I will not be fighting this. I do not want to be tied up in court for the rest of my natural life. I am exploring ways of making the files available with the blessings of the music industry. Please don't write letters to musical organizations on behalf of the archive. -Dave Datta, lyrics at archive.uwp.edu (Former maintainer of the Lyrics archive.) I would like to thank Michael Herf & Dave Meltzer for all their work writing and maintaining of the web pages and search engine. Without their help, the archive would not have been as successful as it was. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Jan 6 01:28:01 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:28:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: On 6-JAN-1997 00:14:27.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Richard Manny wrote: >> HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> > >> > It's also on Nail You Down, an official CD bootleg. Chuck >> >> I've never heard of "Nail You Down." This isn't the 4 song CD that is >> sometimes called "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", is it? >Nope. It's a CD bootleg on the Oh Boy! label (OH BOY 1-9149), recorded >live at Perkins Palace, Pasadena, CA, 1983. It contains 13 tracks and >runs just over 78 minutes. Personally, I like it quite a bit. >Cheers, >Paul. It's great, highly recommended, and has the cleanest sound of any bootleg (BOC or non-BOC) I've ever heard... Starts off especially strong w/Stairway and Harvester. Chuck `[1;31;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Jan 6 01:53:44 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:53:44 +1100 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Paul Mather wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Richard Manny wrote: > > > HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > > > > > It's also on Nail You Down, an official CD bootleg. Chuck > > > > I've never heard of "Nail You Down." This isn't the 4 song CD that is > > sometimes called "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", is it? > > Nope. It's a CD bootleg on the Oh Boy! label (OH BOY 1-9149), recorded > live at Perkins Palace, Pasadena, CA, 1983. It contains 13 tracks and > runs just over 78 minutes. Personally, I like it quite a bit. > I MUST HAVE IT. Can I get it easily? Do I have to get in touch with the label or something? HOW????? I am losing sleep over this one. Troy ObCD- Nik Turner, Prophets of time. (despite the repulsive production on some of the songs.) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 6 05:26:39 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:26:39 UT Subject: OFF: Lemmy & Shakespeare? Message-ID: That's "Tromeo and Juliet", with Lemmy as the Chorus. From Troma Studios, the folks that brought you "Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell", "Class of Nuke'em High 2", and other modern classics. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 6 08:36:47 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:36:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: "Nail You Down", along with other "import" titles are listed in the FAQ (along with track listings and dates). As for how to obtain, I don't believe you can contact the label (they probably went out of business, or were busted?). You have to find a person dealing in these sort of "import live" or "Euro-CD's", as bootlegs are sometimes referred to as. They may have this CD. On the other hand, you can probably trade with someone for a tape of it as it's fairly common among BOC tape traders. Also - to the one who asked about the live version of "Workshop..." on the BOC compilation of the same name -- that version was from a 1982 (OOPS - that should be *1972*) performance that was put on a 4-song EP that Columbia released as a promo entitled "The BOC Bootleg" (but it wasn't a bootleg, it was a Columbia-released promo EP). This 4-song EP was bootlegged as few times, under a few titles, including "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", and "In My Mouth or On the Ground" among others. Check the FAQ for more info. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jan 6 09:36:32 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:36:32 PST Subject: BOC: Nail You Down In-Reply-To: <199701061336.IAA28401@mbunix.mitre.org>; from "John A Swartz" at Jan 6, 97 8:36 am Message-ID: Ranjit used to stock all of the BOC boots; give him a try at ranjit at netcom.com. He also has a WWW page for his "business", but I forget the address (I think that it is www.progtron.com; search for the "progtron" part and that should get it for ya... Back in the office, sigh.... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Jan 6 11:01:14 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:01:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jan 6, 97 01:12:14 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > I read recently on alt.fan.frank-zappa that the huge UWP lyrics archive > has now closed its doors thanks to pressure from the music industry. I > guess we can bury it next to OLGA (On-Line Guitar Archive) in the "Great > Services Cut Down In Their Prime" plot of the Internet Hall of Fame > cemetary. I've reproduced the UWP announcement below. Now how does that > Hawkwind song go again, "...all we do is get screwed up on other people's > floors." Hey, where's there a decent lyric archive when ya need one?... :-) > > Mourning the loss of a damn fine resource, I always knew this would happen if the Internet 'went popular'. On one hand, there are a number of resources online that are truly remarkable (anyone taken the Louvre virtual tour?), but a number of things like the lyrics database have been shut down by legal vultures, and others like the Ultimate band list (which was once a very fine page) have turned crappy and commercial. We gained a lot, we lost a lot... I'm not at all sure whether we made out in the bargain. Steve swann at panix.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jan 6 12:10:37 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:10:37 +0000 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:05:33 EST." <199612262005.PAA25060@sable.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: Paul (another list old fogey) says > FoFP writes: > > > Jon Browne writes: > > > > > Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few > > > more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- > > > Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear > > > the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- > > > Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I > > > own. > > > > I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? > > Speaking as one of Them-Who-Came-Before, let me point out that there are > actually *two* designs of NetHawks t-shirt: a full-colour HW/BOC-rich > content one, and another B&W mostly-HW content one. Probably Mike is > talking about the latter, as that is the one whose production he supervised > in the past (and for which he owns the screens). In fact, I still have the > WWW page I made up for the last print run, to let folks see what the > t-shirt looks like. Those interested should point their browsers at this > URL: > > http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/t-shirt.html There was some talk round the middle of last year about another T-shirt run. I took the names down with good intentions before I got landed here with various items both good and bad that eat into my spare time. Having painted both designs, let me be the first to same I'm not completely happy with either of the outputs, though Mike's UK shirt (Hawk & stones) faired better than the US one. The latter lost a lot in translation and like some people have commented, there's a bit too much going on. Anyway, what I was going to do last year was repaint (hopefully a bit more proficiently) the second design, possibly dropping the Me262. Secondly, I was toying with the idea of doing the painting on a transparency, allowing for shirts to be in various colours apart from black, which was another downer of the originals. (Dunno about you, but I've been to enough gigs to have a whole shitload of black T's already :-) I don't know enough about the actual printing of shirts to say whether a single transparency would be sufficient - anybody ??? If people are happy with what's there already, or Mike's proposed run, then fine, I'll shut up. If what I said above is practicable and gets interest, I'll do it, though I'm happy to just mail the painting to somebody willing to do the business end. BTW Paul, whatever happened to the originals of the 2 aborted designs ? Don't worry, I don't want them back ! cheers, Tim ObCD: Tool, _AEnima_ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 6 12:40:36 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:40:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer logged on M From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jan 6 13:01:13 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:01:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <9701061740.AA03963@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Martyn White wrote: > The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer > logged on Actually, there's more truth in that than you realise. Wasn't "spamming" first introduced to Usenet by the Cantor and Siegel law firm?? (Anyone remember their now-legendary and seminal "Green Card Lottery" spam?) Cheers, Paul. obCD/BOC-L: Blue Oyster Cult, _Nail You Down_ (I agree with Chuck: this CD has amazingly good sound for a bootleg. Is the boot taken from a radio show? Doesn't one or more of the tracks appear on _Extraterrestrial Live_? I forget. Anyway, it's a great CD!) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jan 6 13:37:01 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:37:01 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: <199701061710.RAA21081@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Tim writes: > Having painted both designs, let me be the first to same I'm not completely > happy with either of the outputs, though Mike's UK shirt (Hawk & stones) > faired better than the US one. The latter lost a lot in translation and like > some people have commented, there's a bit too much going on. Faired better? Not in my case. Read on if you will... I remember the most fuss being made over the ME262, with some people refusing point-blank to wear anything with "fascist war machinery" on it. (Personally, it was the slogan on that shirt that most irked me. I *still* much prefer "Some Enchanted Network" even if the scans didn't quite reveal the loving computer networking detail you wove into the calligraphy on one of your aborted designs that bore that slogan.:) Anyway, regarding my "ME262"-flavoured NetHawks t-shirt, a friend of mine here remarks "oh, I see you're wearing your "Nazi" shirt today" whenever I wear it. But it is *not* the ME262 she is referring to in reference to "Nazi." In fact, she doesn't even know what an ME262 is. Ironically, it is the blood-red "Hawkwind" eagle that draws the "Nazi" tag. Oh well... My other Nethawks t-shirt doesn't fare much better. She calls that one "the penis shirt" because she claims the "standing stones" are actually penises. :-) Oh how innocent intentions are so wildly misconstrued... :-) (Mind you, none of that is as bad as being accused of actually *being* a Nazi by a roommate just because you listen to Laibach!) > Anyway, what I was going to do last year was repaint (hopefully a bit more > proficiently) the second design, possibly dropping the Me262. Secondly, I was > toying with the idea of doing the painting on a transparency, allowing for > shirts to be in various colours apart from black, which was another downer of > the originals. (Dunno about you, but I've been to enough gigs to have a whole > shitload of black T's already :-) I don't know enough about the actual > printing of shirts to say whether a single transparency would be sufficient - > anybody ??? I don't know enough about printing shirts either, but if you printed using a halftoning process, you could print a huge number of colours using only four screens---one for each of cyan, yellow, magenta, and black. I don't know how coarse a halftoning cell you'd have to use, though, so the quality might not be as good as using one screen per colour. I imagine that economics require some kind of halftoning for printing photorealistic images on t-shirts, and surely those "your picture on this t-shirt" deals halftone the image? > BTW Paul, whatever happened to the originals of the 2 aborted designs ? Don't > worry, I don't want them back ! I still have them, carefully stored in the original cardboard mailing tube, along with Jill's proposed design, too. I believe they currently reside in the UK. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 6 13:48:55 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:48:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: Yeah, I just don't know about all this copyright stuff... I think if lawyers were around when fire was discovered by the cavemen, they'd have tried to patent it, and civilization never would have gotten off the ground . . . >obCD/BOC-L: Blue Oyster Cult, _Nail You Down_ (I agree with Chuck: this CD has amazingly good sound for a bootleg. Is the boot taken from a radio show? Doesn't one or more of the tracks appear on _Extraterrestrial Live_? I forget. Anyway, it's a great CD!) Yes, this was taken from a radio show. The track of "The Reaper" on this CD sounds, to my ear anyway, very similar to the ETL track of "The Reaper". John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 6 12:50:09 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:50:09 EDT Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > My other Nethawks t-shirt doesn't fare much better. She calls that one > "the penis shirt" because she claims the "standing stones" are actually > penises. :-) > Jeezus! Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..." From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 6 13:53:09 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:53:09 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw Message-ID: hmmm, penises, huh? At the time I remember people complaining that the stones looked like potatoes. I guess the subconcious mind must play a large role in how you interpret T-shirt images :-) Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 6 14:17:18 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:17:18 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw Message-ID: > My other Nethawks t-shirt doesn't fare much better. She calls that one > "the penis shirt" because she claims the "standing stones" are actually > penises. :-) In college, I had this pretty cool poster that I put outside my door. Sort of a heavy-metal demon band - it was a painting of these skeletons/ demons playing in a band - instruments were made of bones and other objects, and the band was flooded in some cool purple, orange, and other colored lights. I really liked it, but some people in my hall wanted me to take it down because they thought the michrophones looked to much like penises...as I recall, the lead singer's michrophone was tilted up on the mike stand - looking a bit like an erection . . . But yeah, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar . . . From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jan 6 14:27:57 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:27:57 +0000 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:37:01 EST." Message-ID: > I remember the most fuss being made over the ME262, with some people > refusing point-blank to wear anything with "fascist war machinery" on it. > (Personally, it was the slogan on that shirt that most irked me. I > *still* much prefer "Some Enchanted Network" even if the scans didn't > quite reveal the loving computer networking detail you wove into the > calligraphy on one of your aborted designs that bore that slogan.:) Yup, SEN got my vote, whoever it was that thought it up. > My other Nethawks t-shirt doesn't fare much better. She calls that one > "the penis shirt" because she claims the "standing stones" are actually > penises. :-) > > Oh how innocent intentions are so wildly misconstrued... :-) Hmm, its a fair cop. And like Martyn says, potatoes spring to mind, or melting snowmen. The hawk is way too small as well. My only defence being as I remember letting rip with an airbrush at about 1 in the morning to do that design, after a few too many pints of Crones scrumpy %-} > (Mind you, none of that is as bad as being accused of actually *being* a > Nazi by a roommate just because you listen to Laibach!) Sheesh. Really, some people... > > anybody ??? > > I don't know enough about printing shirts either, but if you printed using > a halftoning process, you could print a huge number of colours using only > four screens---one for each of cyan, yellow, magenta, and black. I don't > know how coarse a halftoning cell you'd have to use, though, so the > quality might not be as good as using one screen per colour. I imagine > that economics require some kind of halftoning for printing photorealistic > images on t-shirts, and surely those "your picture on this t-shirt" deals > halftone the image? Most of the cheapo "put a design on a shirt" places round these parts rely on a straight photocopy of the picture onto a transfer which is applied to the shirt. Fer some reason, it seems that the surround always comes out white, which in turn means generally only white shirts are used. Bummer. Hence my thoughts of putting it onto a transparent. Tim From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Jan 6 15:04:42 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:04:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <199701061848.NAA07250@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > >obCD/BOC-L: Blue Oyster Cult, _Nail You Down_ (I agree with Chuck: this CD > has amazingly good sound for a bootleg. Is the boot taken from a radio > show? Doesn't one or more of the tracks appear on _Extraterrestrial > Live_? I forget. Anyway, it's a great CD!) > > Yes, this was taken from a radio show. The track of "The Reaper" on this > CD sounds, to my ear anyway, very similar to the ETL track of "The Reaper". I agree. It even has the same vocoded "here is a song from our Agents of Fortune album" introduction that prefaces the version on _ETL_ (but then maybe they always introduced it that way at that time?). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Julian Cope, _Autogeddon_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 6 16:47:24 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:47:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: >> Yes, this was taken from a radio show. The track of "The Reaper" on this > CD sounds, to my ear anyway, very similar to the ETL track of "The Reaper". I agree. It even has the same vocoded "here is a song from our Agents of Fortune album" introduction that prefaces the version on _ETL_ (but then maybe they always introduced it that way at that time?). I dunno - I don't think they did when I saw 'em in '82 (hey Theo and now Manuel -- check you're Worcester tapes - I know you get 'em ;-) ). But I tried to even look at the track times (they're pretty close) and also snippets of Buck's ending guitar solo. John From tori at PANIX.COM Mon Jan 6 17:01:15 1997 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:01:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > Actually, there's more truth in that than you realise. Wasn't "spamming" > first introduced to Usenet by the Cantor and Siegel law firm?? (Anyone > remember their now-legendary and seminal "Green Card Lottery" spam?) I think the first of the new era spammage was Clarence Thomas IV's "JESUS IS COMING SOON!". But the Green Card Swine were close enough behind, with enough of an uproar, to eclipse the poor idiot :) Tori at why.do.i.only.post.to.offtopic.threads? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 6 16:15:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:15:13 EDT Subject: DFtR intro Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > I agree. It even has the same vocoded "here is a song from our Agents of > Fortune album" introduction that prefaces the version on _ETL_ (but then > maybe they always introduced it that way at that time?). > > > > I dunno - I don't think they did when I saw 'em in '82 (hey Theo and now > Manuel -- check you're Worcester tapes - I know you get 'em ;-) ). But I tell ya, I'm thinking of throwing my copy into the ocean next time I get to the coast! But I'm pretty sure it's on the Worc. tape, and they also did it at other shows around that time, and even earlier, I think... theo From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon Jan 6 19:24:55 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:24:55 -0900 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <19970106160115.10846.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > I always knew this would happen if the Internet 'went popular'. > We gained a lot, we lost a lot... I'm not at all sure whether we made > out in the bargain. I knew this would happen, too. Clearly, we lost far more than we gained. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Jan 7 00:56:03 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:56:03 -0500 Subject: >> Yes, this was taken from a radio show. The track of "The Reaper" on Message-ID: >this > CD sounds, to my ear anyway, very similar to the ETL track of >"The Reaper". >I agree. It even has the same vocoded "here is a song from our Agents >of Fortune album" introduction that prefaces the version on _ETL_ (but >then maybe they always introduced it that way at that time?). >Cheers, >Paul. >obCD: Julian Cope, _Autogeddon_ >e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a >strange land . But Nail You Down was supposed to have been recorded in '83, while ETL was released in '81 or '82... Chuck `[1;32;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jan 7 03:42:01 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:42:01 -0700 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: William Fuller wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > I always knew this would happen if the Internet 'went popular'. > > We gained a lot, we lost a lot... I'm not at all sure whether we made > > out in the bargain. > > I knew this would happen, too. Clearly, we lost far more than we gained. Hi- had to throw in on this one too! I disagree! I have found more info about some very great bands here. I would have never even known about Hawkwind, Dream Theater & a few other bands, as well as the fact that I've found some really cool folx to talk about things like this with. As far as my Humble opinion goes, I thik it's made our world smaller, as well as made us as a community rather than an island! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace John, The cd booklet for my copy of Cult Classic is blank inside. It's a tri-fold, with a detachable postcard with the address for Herald records on it. The back is a track list. No musicians credits anywhere. Is this rare/unusual? theo From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jan 7 07:55:55 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:55:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > William Fuller wrote: > > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > > > I always knew this would happen if the Internet 'went popular'. > > > We gained a lot, we lost a lot... I'm not at all sure whether we made > > > out in the bargain. > > > > I knew this would happen, too. Clearly, we lost far more than we gained. > > Hi- had to throw in on this one too! > I disagree! I have found more info about some very great bands here. I > would have never even known about Hawkwind, Dream Theater & a few other > bands, as well as the fact that I've found some really cool folx to talk > about things like this with. As far as my Humble opinion goes, I thik > it's made our world smaller, as well as made us as a community rather > than an island! > Keep rockin' > Pam > im wishy-washy. i agree with both points. the growth of the internet has forced many people to toe the line,where before it was all just raw truth or grit. i think it is too easy for uneducated or inexperienced people to get in and muck everything up.and now theres net-tv.....whoopee! i think children should be kept in confined areas like aol,and that aol and compuserve and similar should join together to make a larger playground for the kids. i also think that net use should be like a school,that you have to go thru different levels of use,graduating to each new level. there seems to be a LOT of hatred and intolerance on the net. in michael crichton's sequel to jurassic park, "the lost world",the character malcolm (jeff goldblum),puts forth the idea that the internet has effectively halted the evolution of man,by stifling or eliminating the need to learn or otherwise go out and about. i dunno.... in anything, you always have the "first-born",who never stop complaining about the newcomers.and they are right,for the most part. but everybody was a newbie at somepoint, and the firstborn were such by sheerest chance,and really should consider themselves lucky that they had the opportunity. whatever.... rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 7 12:05:12 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:05:12 -0500 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: That is unusual. I know my copy has musician credits in it, among a few other things (like the fanclub mailing address). Sounds like you got a mis-printed liner. As I recall, the liner notes weren't extensive, so I think that one side didn't get printed for some reason on yours. John PS: Don't throw a BOC tape in the ocean just 'cuz I felt like bustin' yer balls . . . From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 7 13:47:12 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:47:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: Whoops. It seems that I was misinformed about the true parentage of Beavis and Butthead. Thanks for setting the record straight. It would have been cool if Lemmy was their father, huh, huh ;-) By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) Martyn From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 7 14:55:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:55:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Stale Setlist? Not a problem. Message-ID: Sorry for the staleness of this post but was out of the office and had to wade through 4 digests. Real interesting observations about the stale set list and the whys. The tuth is in there somewhere but only the band and crew know for sure. What really motivates 3OC is a mystery on the scale of Imaginos but think about this. If the standard fee is still the same 8 show in 8 days = $40,000. There aren't a lot of people that make that kind of money in a year. It does bring to mind an interesting question, if you 're making decent money simply re-hashing whats already been done why cut a new album at all? Why not do a real Cult Classics and simply record either all or selected songs from the first three albums. I think that would sell better especially to die hards dissapointed with WoTT. Also on tBS doing more BOC covers, not a good idea. It only distracts from the great stuff they are doing. Yeah I'd love to hear some selcted covers but it shouldn't bet at the expense of the great things they are doing. Besides its hard enough to get a break in this business, why would you want to play covers of a band that are (well no other way to put this) considered "has beens" by the industry at large? tBS is making a run at getting something done, but if a group this talented is having trouble breaking through on their own merits no use trying with other peoples materials. Peace lil ab (Ross - The Vannessa Williams is good huh? May have to try some.) ob cd - Stratovaius - Fourth Dimension ************************************************************************ ** Big problem I do suppose got a kink in my oxygen hose now I+m feelin+ really dumb before to long my skin turns numb pump - up - the - space - suit! pump - up - the - space - suit! ************************************************************************ **** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 7 13:23:28 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:23:28 EDT Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: > From: Martyn White > > Whoops. It seems that I was misinformed about the true parentage of > Beavis and Butthead. Thanks for setting the record straight. It > would have been cool if Lemmy was their father, huh, huh ;-) > > By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so > is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) > > Martyn If ya have to ask... From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Jan 7 15:33:17 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:33:17 -0900 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <32D247DB.3F7E@starlinx.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, RJ wrote: > i think it is too easy for uneducated or inexperienced people to get in > and > muck everything up.and now theres net-tv.....whoopee! Absolutely correct. With Web-TV, now even IDIOTS can use the internet! And of course, the more idiots you let in, the worse everything will get. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 7 15:42:15 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:42:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: OK, we're way off-topic now but what the hell is Web-TV? Martyn From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 7 15:20:49 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:20:49 EDT Subject: BOC: Stale Setlist? Not a problem. Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Also on tBS doing more BOC covers, not a good idea. It only distracts > from the great stuff they are doing. Yeah I'd love to hear some selcted > covers but it shouldn't bet at the expense of the great things they are > doing. Besides its hard enough to get a break in this business, why > would you want to play covers of a band that are (well no other way to > put this) considered "has beens" by the industry at large? tBS is Right! and 'has-beens' who've fucked you over no less! theo > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 7 16:38:56 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:38:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Online WWW book In-Reply-To: <9701072042.AA07312@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: WARNING! Shameless plug for free online resource about the WWW included below! On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Martyn White wrote: > OK, we're way off-topic now but what the hell is Web-TV? I'm surprised you haven't seen the advertisements in print and on TV. Web-TV is a manifestation of the "Network Computer" concept. Basically, Web-TV is a product from Magnavox to allow people to browse the WWW through their TV using a standard remote control. As I understand it, Web-TV comes as a subscription service to their Internet provider, which delivers Web-TV-enhanced product. As with other WWW browsers, users can send e-mail, access Usenet, browse the WWW, etc. (or so I gather). For those interested in the "Network Computer", a chapter on it appears in an online book about the WWW produced by a class I took in Fall '96. The pertinent chapter is chapter 23: Internet for the Masses. The URL of the book is: http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/book/ Everyone who took the class contributed a chapter. I recommend that people avoid chapter 6 at all costs... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 7 16:46:29 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:46:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jan 6, 97 01:01:13 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Martyn White wrote: > > > The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer > > logged on > > Actually, there's more truth in that than you realise. Wasn't "spamming" > first introduced to Usenet by the Cantor and Siegel law firm?? (Anyone > remember their now-legendary and seminal "Green Card Lottery" spam?) I actually bumped into their spammed post on every one of the half-dozen or so newsgroups that I was following at the time, and I remember thinking to myself that it was pretty annoying. I *didn't*, however, realize that it heralded the "Beginning of the End" of the net as we knew it... These days, I have a net service provider that specifically filters mail from known spam sites (or rather, offers an umbrella of protection which users can voluntarily place themselves under). I use these "spam filters", and I *still* get as much as 4 or 5 spam mailings per day. Steve swann at panix.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 7 16:46:19 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:46:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, William Fuller wrote: > Absolutely correct. With Web-TV, now even IDIOTS can use the internet! And > of course, the more idiots you let in, the worse everything will get. Although I think there is merit in your central tenet (that more idiots means everything gets worse), I think your above statement promotes the myth that the sets TECHNICALLY_LITERATE and IDIOT are largely mutually exclusive, and I find that disturbing. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Jan 7 12:40:35 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:40:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > OK, we're way off-topic now but what the hell is Web-TV? its like accessing the internet thru a sega or nintendo game... its a dedicated system,that does nothing but access the internet.i don't know too much about it, but all you need is the box,the tv,and a remote control. so basically,for pocket change,anyone can prop their progeny up in front of the tube, leave the country,and the rugrats are free to do whatever they want,with no training or knowledge. i don't know how much damage they can actually do,but i do know that they will be wasting just a shitload of band width to no productive end. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Jan 7 12:46:00 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:46:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > These days, I have a net service provider that specifically filters > mail from known spam sites (or rather, offers an umbrella of > protection which users can voluntarily place themselves under). I use > these "spam filters", and I *still* get as much as 4 or 5 spam > mailings per day. just curious-- how do you end up getting these spams? i have only ever recieved one, a gift shop (local) trying to sell me crap for christmas. i have nevr left my address on a newsgroup or anything,so i wonder how such mails get started... can people see the addresses of people who have visited their websites? rj From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 7 16:59:46 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:59:46 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jan 6, 97 01:37:01 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Tim writes: > > > Having painted both designs, let me be the first to same I'm not completely > > happy with either of the outputs, though Mike's UK shirt (Hawk & stones) > > faired better than the US one. The latter lost a lot in translation and like > > some people have commented, there's a bit too much going on. > > Faired better? Not in my case. Read on if you will... > > I remember the most fuss being made over the ME262, with some people > refusing point-blank to wear anything with "fascist war machinery" on it. > (Personally, it was the slogan on that shirt that most irked me. I > *still* much prefer "Some Enchanted Network" even if the scans didn't > quite reveal the loving computer networking detail you wove into the > calligraphy on one of your aborted designs that bore that slogan.:) > > Anyway, regarding my "ME262"-flavoured NetHawks t-shirt, a friend of mine > here remarks "oh, I see you're wearing your "Nazi" shirt today" whenever I > wear it. But it is *not* the ME262 she is referring to in reference to > "Nazi." In fact, she doesn't even know what an ME262 is. Ironically, it > is the blood-red "Hawkwind" eagle that draws the "Nazi" tag. Oh well... Geez, Paul - "On the Net or On Your Knees" was most of the reason I bought damn thing (3 actually). That's the greatest slogan in the history of Usenet! (and yes, I know that I'm crass). ;-) My biggest regret is that I bought the version without the In Search of Space art on the back - that shirt (Tori has one) look MUCH cooler. If we do another run, I'm buying 2 more, and getting them WITH the back art. The ONLY change that I vote for is putting the engines back on the ME-262, prince of turbogliders! ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 7 15:59:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:59:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Stale Setlist? Not a problem. Message-ID: rom: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Real interesting observations about the stale set list and the whys. > The tuth is in there somewhere but only the band and crew know for sure. > What really motivates 3OC is a mystery on the scale of Imaginos but > think about this. If the standard fee is still the same 8 show in 8 > days = $40,000. There aren't a lot of people that make that kind of > money in a year. > True, but if they keep alienating fans and fail to draw in new ones with new material, how long can they expect to make money touring? If, as some have suggested, old fans are disgruntled over a stale setlist, doesn't 3OC owe it to itself to conserve as many fans as possible? Personally, I hadn't seen them in quite a while 'til the 28th, so I wasn't bored, but I have seen them a million times in the past, and frankly, even though I was exstatic, I would've loved more of the new stuff... > It does bring to mind an interesting question, if you 're making decent > money simply re-hashing whats already been done why cut a new album at See Above. I see it as nec. for 3OC to release new stuff to grab in new fans... > all? Why not do a real Cult Classics and simply record either all or > selected songs from the first three albums. I think that would sell > better especially to die hards dissapointed with WoTT. > Better yet, how 'bout a true boxed set, or a series on say, Rhino, with remastered stuff? > Also on tBS doing more BOC covers, not a good idea. It only distracts > from the great stuff they are doing. Yeah I'd love to hear some selcted > covers but it shouldn't bet at the expense of the great things they are > doing. Besides its hard enough to get a break in this business, why > would you want to play covers of a band that are (well no other way to > put this) considered "has beens" by the industry at large? tBS is > making a run at getting something done, but if a group this talented is > having trouble breaking through on their own merits no use trying with > other peoples materials. > > Peace > lil ab Yeah, I tell ya, the fact that tBS don't play out more concerns me. Al, is there some master plan for not 'spoiling' the fans with overexposure? theo From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Tue Jan 7 17:07:45 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:07:45 CST Subject: HW: hello's and all that Message-ID: Hi all, I've been off the list since August now, and the itch was just getting to be too much to bear, so I'm back (though now from my work account). What's been happening with HW since then? The last things of import I recall were that the UA reissues were out and available (and I've still not had a chance to pick them up--are they in danger of going out of print? are domestic US versions due out anytime soon?); also, Alan Davey's cd and the two other RCA hit the digital medium (got these recently from Mike Coleman). There had been the perennially vague rumors of a US tour, too, I think, but that's about all I can recall. So what's been new an interesting in the Hawkworld? Thanks for any and all info, and Happy New Year to everyone! Allan. agrohe at igate.sprint.com From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Jan 7 17:34:57 1997 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:34:57 -0600 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw Message-ID: >My biggest regret is that I bought the version without the In Search >of Space art on the back - that shirt (Tori has one) look MUCH cooler. >If we do another run, I'm buying 2 more, and getting them WITH the >back art. The ONLY change that I vote for is putting the engines back >on the ME-262, prince of turbogliders! ;-) > >Steve >swann at panix.com He he, I decided to take on the T-shirt project just to get a shirt with a XISOS design. Actually, five were made with that design on the front. My two biggest regrets were not printing even more extras than I did and losing the engines. (Thats right Steve, it all MY fault). The few extras are long gone, being used for gifts or trade bait. During the last Nikwind tour the dudes from Pressurehead had a fit when they noticed my shirt (again good job Tim). Nik wanted it, but I couldn't give it up its my last one! waiting for Hawkwind & Nikwind tours, and Live 74, From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Tue Jan 7 13:39:26 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:39:26 +0000 Subject: HW: hello's and all that Message-ID: welcome back allan, check out http://www.hawkwind.com for some new data. hw are planning a tour in the spring,but may be pushing it back to june. they are asking fans to arange gigs,the info is available on the website above. alan davey has a new band called bedouin. it is himself,danny thomas,and sean m.,the ex guitarist from capt rizz. thats about it. rj Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been off the list since August now, and the itch was just getting > to be too much to bear, so I'm back (though now from my work account). > What's been happening with HW since then? The last things of import I > recall were that the UA reissues were out and available (and I've still > not had a chance to pick them up--are they in danger of going out of > print? are domestic US versions due out anytime soon?); also, Alan > Davey's cd and the two other RCA hit the digital medium (got these > recently from Mike Coleman). > > There had been the perennially vague rumors of a US tour, too, I think, > but that's about all I can recall. So what's been new an interesting in > the Hawkworld? > > Thanks for any and all info, and Happy New Year to everyone! > > Allan. > agrohe at igate.sprint.com From tori at PANIX.COM Tue Jan 7 17:54:24 1997 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:54:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <199701072151.QAA23028@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: RJ wrote: > just curious-- how do you end up getting these spams? > i have only ever recieved one, a gift shop (local) trying to sell me crap > for christmas. I should say about 90% of spammers get their lists from Usenet posts. Other possibilities include web pages, votes from CFVs, and getting an account on a system to grab the list of users from /etc/passwd. (Yes, on Panix, the tape backup system has gotten spam...) It's pretty much a direct corollary, though, that the more you post, the more spam you get. > can people see the addresses of people who have visited their websites? Yep. Well, depending on your provider, but most places that offer web hosting let you look at the logs. Tori, who maintains the Panix anti-spam filters From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Jan 7 18:26:03 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:26:03 -0700 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER -Reply Message-ID: >>> Martyn White 01/07/97 11:47am >>> Whoops. It seems that I was misinformed about the true parentage of Beavis and Butthead. Thanks for setting the record straight. It would have been cool if Lemmy was their father, huh, huh ;-) By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) Martyn >>>>>> If you are a fan, it's great. If you aren't, this won't change your mind. I laughed until I cried. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 7 19:22:21 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:22:21 -0500 Subject: HW: hello's and all that In-Reply-To: <0007zvrbppfh.H000028000eb60ca@igate.sprint.com> from "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." at Jan 7, 97 04:07:45 pm Message-ID: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. writes: > > Hi all, > > I've been off the list since August now, and the itch was just getting > to be too much to bear, so I'm back (though now from my work account). > What's been happening with HW since then? The last things of import I > recall were that the UA reissues were out and available (and I've still > not had a chance to pick them up--are they in danger of going out of > print? are domestic US versions due out anytime soon?); Like I said when they came out: Buy them. Buy them now. They're already out of print - they were a limited pressing. And if they go out of stock, you'll have missed out in ways you'll never know. > There had been the perennially vague rumors of a US tour, too, I think, > but that's about all I can recall. So what's been new an interesting in > the Hawkworld? The rumour is alive and being actively fed and kept on this very list. :) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 7 19:32:33 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:32:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER In-Reply-To: <9701071847.AA06356@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Jan 7, 97 01:47:12 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > Whoops. It seems that I was misinformed about the true parentage of > Beavis and Butthead. Thanks for setting the record straight. It > would have been cool if Lemmy was their father, huh, huh ;-) > > By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so > is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) It depends entirely on whether you think that a broad, irreverant and very rude parody of american culture would be funny. I thought it was kind of sad in some ways that B&BdA was a better movie than a lot of (no, make that most of) the actual big budget Hollywood *product* that I saw in '96. Steve swann at panix.com From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Jan 7 19:37:04 1997 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:37:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: from "Lurking Girl" at Jan 7, 97 05:54:24 pm Message-ID: > > can people see the addresses of people who have visited their websites? > > Yep. Well, depending on your provider, but most places that offer web > hosting let you look at the logs. I'm not sure which way the person asking this question meant "address". I think Lurking Girl means they can find your -site- but not your userId unless you're using some evil browser that automatically forwards that information. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jan 7 20:53:37 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:53:37 +1000 Subject: HW: hello's and all that In-Reply-To: <0007zvrbppfh.H000028000eb60ca@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On 7 Jan 97 at 16:07, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > There had been the perennially vague rumors of a US tour, too, I > think, but that's about all I can recall. So what's been new an > interesting in the Hawkworld? I'm not sure of the exact US dates, but just yesterday Doug smith faxed me the tentative Oz dates (which follow the US tour), and they arrive down under on the 5th of June .... Paul (happily anticipating tonight's "OzHawks" Hawkwind Appreciation Night!!!) -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jan 7 22:08:50 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:08:50 PST Subject: OFF: Randy California Message-ID: I just heard that Randy California, guitarist for Spirit, is missing after he went swimming in Hawaii. He was pulled under the surf; he could push his son up but could not get away himself... (This terrible news got even more bizarre when I heard Spirit was about to leave for a European tour.) Jerry obCD, now playing loud: Spirit - The Thirteenth Dream From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Jan 7 16:53:42 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:53:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > > > can people see the addresses of people who have visited their websites? > > > > Yep. Well, depending on your provider, but most places that offer web > > hosting let you look at the logs. > I'm not sure which way the person asking this question meant "address". I > think Lurking Girl means they can find your -site- but not your userId > unless you're using some evil browser that automatically forwards that > information. well,this got me thinking,and i remembered i posted an article on a philly music page.that might even be the name of it. anywho, since it was a philly store that junkmailed me, i guess it must have come from there... thanks for the info,all of you. rj From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Jan 7 21:18:26 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:18:26 -0900 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <9701072042.AA07312@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Martyn White wrote: > OK, we're way off-topic now but what the hell is Web-TV? Someone has probably already explained it, but WEB-TV is: You turn on your television and you instantly have full graphical internet access. That's it. Anyone who buys a TV has full everything. In the long run, an excellent technology for human evolution. In the short run: instant dumbing down of the internet as more and more people who know nothing about anything log on and start complaining about things they do not like. In the USA there have been many attempts made by government, mostly on the federal level, to reduce the content of the internet to something acceptable to a 6 year old. The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are of ideas other than their own. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Tue Jan 7 21:33:19 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:33:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: William says: >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are >of ideas other than their own. PERFECTLY STATED!!! Alton From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 7 21:35:47 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:35:47 -0500 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: >John, >The cd booklet for my copy of Cult Classic is blank inside. It's a >tri-fold, with a detachable postcard with the address for Herald >records on it. The back is a track list. No musicians credits >anywhere. Is this rare/unusual? >theo Sounds like a printing error. no idea in the cd world, but generally errors like that in comic books renders them next to worthless. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Jan 7 21:35:54 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:35:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER Message-ID: >Whoops. It seems that I was misinformed about the true parentage of >Beavis and Butthead. Thanks for setting the record straight. It >would have been cool if Lemmy was their father, huh, huh ;-) > > By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so >is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) Yes! If you at all like the show, yes. loaded? Not really. There's only one sequence (the white zombie animation/video) that would really benefit from this, and there's enough stuff that might be missed otherwise to not make it worthwhile. And that video should be showing up on its own by now. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Jan 7 22:24:57 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:24:57 -0800 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down In-Reply-To: <01IDVIBJAC028ZHHOS@delphi.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:28:01 -0500, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM said: Chuck> It's great, highly recommended, and has the cleanest sound of any Chuck> bootleg (BOC or non-BOC) I've ever heard... Starts off especially Chuck> strong w/Stairway and Harvester. Except that Eric botches the lyrics to Stairway, which ruins it for me. -- Mike From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Jan 7 23:04:40 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:04:40 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw Message-ID: Doug Bates writes: > >My biggest regret is that I bought the version without the In Search > >of Space art on the back - that shirt (Tori has one) look MUCH cooler. > >If we do another run, I'm buying 2 more, and getting them WITH the > >back art. The ONLY change that I vote for is putting the engines back > >on the ME-262, prince of turbogliders! ;-) > > > >Steve > >swann at panix.com > > He he, I decided to take on the T-shirt project just to get a shirt > with a XISOS > design. Actually, five were made with that design on the front. My two > biggest > regrets were not printing even more extras than I did and losing the > engines. > (Thats right Steve, it all MY fault). Wow! I was about to reply to Steve's message and say, "hey, don't you mean with the In Search of Space art on the *FRONT*, not the back" when I read your reply. I guess I was one of the lucky five, as my XISOS version of the t-shirt is printed on the front... (I still prefer the other slogan, though.:) Cheers, Paul. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jan 8 04:24:45 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 02:24:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU wrote: > > William says: > >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are > >of ideas other than their own. > > PERFECTLY STATED!!! I agree!! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Actually, There are lists of Internet users for sale. I recently received one mail offering 3 million address for $100. Others build up databases from mailing lists by using the who command. Andy C BTW No you can see the mail address of people who visit your web site only the IP address or domain name. (With all webservers I've used) ---------- From: Lurking Girl Sent: 07 January 1997 22:54 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive RJ wrote: > just curious-- how do you end up getting these spams? > i have only ever recieved one, a gift shop (local) trying to sell me crap > for christmas. I should say about 90% of spammers get their lists from Usenet posts. Other possibilities include web pages, votes from CFVs, and getting an account on a system to grab the list of users from /etc/passwd. (Yes, on Panix, the tape backup system has gotten spam...) It's pretty much a direct corollary, though, that the more you post, the more spam you get. > can people see the addresses of people who have visited their websites? Yep. Well, depending on your provider, but most places that offer web hosting let you look at the logs. 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M-W ><#LL(4XA+G&07& >0'0GSP0 at -U!7D2" ;741L!UP_0J%9#T at -Y(%H0;P M"V!-TO,DD A at 9VAO$B60+'0%L/\=8"O"9")O%'6S3A,KPE>!_RD]55 L`BW% M+$8C50>1+9S_67,N`#T``0````4```!213H@``````,`#33]-P`` "+._] ` end From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 8 06:13:52 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 07:13:52 EDT Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU > William says: > >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are > >of ideas other than their own. > > PERFECTLY STATED!!! > > Alton Yeah, but Pat Buchanan and Wm. F. Buckley are both Ivy Leaguers... theo From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jan 8 09:36:25 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:36:25 +1100 Subject: HW: Ozhawks rule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Paul G Ward wrote: > Paul (happily anticipating tonight's "OzHawks" Hawkwind Appreciation > Night!!!) Hey!! The night ruled!!! It was good to catch up with some guys and the music was so good that my hair grew a couple of inches and my clothes started to change colour. Can't wait for the next one!! Whaddaya say, Paul, say, six weeks or so? :) (or just weekly at my place). :) Still grinning, Troy From tori at PANIX.COM Wed Jan 8 10:47:42 1997 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:47:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <01BBFD51.72B54040@snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy C wrote: > Actually, There are lists of Internet users for sale. I recently > received one mail offering 3 million address for $100. Yep. And most of THOSE swine get their lists from the places I mentioned. > No you can see the mail address of people who visit your web site only the > IP address or domain name. (With all webservers I've used) You wouldn't believe what can be done with Java. It's pure eeeevil. Tori From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 8 10:53:56 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:53:56 +0800 Subject: HW: Ozhawks rule Message-ID: Hope the Appreciation Night was a huge success!!! Now I have a question which I hope some Hawkwind fans out there may be able to answer? I am going to do my utmost to arrange their concert in West Australia. What I have been thinking of doing is organizing a Convention/Expo/Festival with not only Hawkwind performing, but also theatre performances, etc.. I am also seriously considering contacting some other overseas guests, such as actors writers, and so forth. My question is, what do all of you think??? Would it be a good idea to arrange some event of this type? Do you think HW fans would be interested in attending? Would it be best approaching actors, writers, etc., or would other bands and musicians be a better choice? The reason I am thinking of this idea is because if HW appear on the same bill as, say, Patrick Stewart or Michael Moorcock (the latter being an obvious choice), may give the band more exposure to a wider audience, and would also make for an interesting mix. Naturally, it would cost more to get an actor over, which I would be willing to cover the cost if I thought it may work. I thought I would ask some others out there what they think??? William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 8 07:32:28 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:32:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Ozhawks rule Message-ID: >My question is, what do all of you think??? >Would it be a good idea to arrange some event of this type? Do you think >HW fans would be interested in attending? Would it be best approaching >actors, writers, etc., or would other bands and musicians be a better >choice? i think its a fantastic idea. i think you should stick with things that are stimulating visually and aurally. moorcock would be cool,because any poetry or whatever, would be releveant to the crowd's tastes. i think a good protion of hw fans dig startrek,so patrick stewart might be a good choice too. (besides,if brock knew st castmembers were gonna be present, he would probably be more excited by the whole idea,he's a st nut!) just remember what the band wants to cover expenses and payroll. its quite a bit, and i think these extras you are talking about will be extremely expensive.myabe you should hire some of the extras from road warrior! ;) hawkwind like that circus-tent atmosphere......... BTW- how did you get that funky blue background????? rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 8 12:25:25 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:25:25 +0800 Subject: HW: Ozhawks rule Message-ID: RJ wrote: > > just remember what the band wants to cover expenses and payroll. its quite > a bit, and i > think these extras you are talking about will be extremely expensive. > I agree, but it's an idea I shall still look into. I may even see if some fan clubs would like to help out? > BTW- how did you get that funky blue background????? > I downloaded the new Netscape Communicator, and it came as part of the email fascility. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 8 08:27:15 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:27:15 +0000 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:59:46 EST." <19970107215946.2454.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: > Geez, Paul - "On the Net or On Your Knees" was most of the reason I > bought damn thing (3 actually). That's the greatest slogan in the > history of Usenet! (and yes, I know that I'm crass). ;-) Damn, that insult thwarted ;-) > My biggest regret is that I bought the version without the In Search > of Space art on the back - that shirt (Tori has one) look MUCH cooler. huh - What are you on about ? I don't remember the option of back art, let alone the design. Do you mean somebody managed to whack the ISOS cover onto the shirt ? > If we do another run, I'm buying 2 more, and getting them WITH the > back art. The ONLY change that I vote for is putting the engines back > on the ME-262, prince of turbogliders! ;-) What can I say. I painted them on. That's the 'lost in translation' bit ! Tim ObCDSingle: Kyuss _Gardenia_ (found it at last) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 8 14:37:56 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:37:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: Chuck> It's great, highly recommended, and has the cleanest sound of any Chuck> bootleg (BOC or non-BOC) I've ever heard... Mike> Except that Eric botches the lyrics to Stairway, which ruins it for me. 'Cuz he sings "We got better things to do" twice? I dunno - I can live with that (not like he could've done overdubs of course ;-) ). John From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Jan 8 16:10:57 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:10:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: > Does anyone have an idea (or ideas) were I can get a copy of this CD? Desiring cash, I'm considering selling the following BOC live albums: - Nail You Down Live 83, great sound - The Thing 2CD, live 81, great sound - Live '76 not so great sound, paradoxically not a bootleg Email me with offers. Thanks, -Ken From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 8 18:31:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:31:00 -0600 Subject: BOC Fans have a right to be selfish. Message-ID: AB> Real interesting observations about the stale set list and the whys. > The tuth is in there somewhere but only the band and crew know for sure. > What really motivates 3OC is a mystery on the scale of Imaginos but > think about this. If the standard fee is still the same 8 show in 8 > days = $40,000. There aren't a lot of people that make that kind of > money in a year. > Theo>True, but if they keep alienating fans and fail to draw in new ones with new material, how long can they expect to make money touring? If, as some have suggested, old fans are disgruntled over a stale setlist, doesn't 3OC owe it to itself to conserve as many fans as possible? Personally, I hadn't seen them in quite a while 'til the 28th, so I wasn't bored, but I have seen them a million times in the past, and frankly, even though I was exstatic, I would've loved more of the new stuff..." No disagreement there theo. Afterall we pay our money to attend the shows and buy whats out there in terms of recordings. This gives us the right to want this stuff. Still if I look at it from their point of veiw, I'm sure Al would know, I bet they make more money now doing shows than when they toured the arenas in the 70's & 80's. Can you blame somebody if they make more money for doing less? I doubt that they wave their standard fee or sign contracts that scale pays to attendance. Its $5k for ten pople or 200. Guaruntee Kiss didn't earn $43.5 million dollars for their arena tour in 1975 when I first saw them. They did this summer. Now as a fan I'm a little on the opposite side of the spectrum. I want BOC to continue to do the club thing. I can get real close to the stage, I can hang out with them after the show. Hell I can pass stuff on stage to the guys. Couldn't do that in the arena days and won't go see them at some huge arena if they get big now. No offense but I'm too old and frail to fight the mosh pit wars. So thats my selfish desire, may not be in line with what the band wants or other fans but it is what I want. lil ab ************************************************************************ ********* A man has got to work to eat. And this is what I do 5 days a week. I'm at this place from 9 to 5. I get a salary for taking life. They send 'em in I send 'em out. My hammer carries a lot of clout. Blood doesn+t bother me no more. They put me on the kill floor. Death has become a way of life. I see the bills and hear my nagging wife. I spend my day inflicting pain. This kind of job can drive a man insane. Don't feel compassion anymore. They put me on the kill floor. There's nothing to do when I check out. So me and my hammer go house to house. Blood doesn+t bother me no more. They put me on the kill floor. Working on the kill floor. ************************************************************************ ***************************** From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Wed Jan 8 19:19:32 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:19:32 -0800 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down In-Reply-To: <199701081937.OAA25482@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:37:56 -0500, John A Swartz >>>>> said: Mike> Except that Eric botches the lyrics to Stairway, which ruins it Mike> for me. John> 'Cuz he sings "We got better things to do" twice? Yes. John> I dunno - I can live with that (not like he could've done overdubs John> of course ;-) ). IMHO, I don't think it's asking too much that he get the lyrics correct to a song they'd been doing for over 10 years. It really bugs me. -- Mike From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Jan 8 20:25:08 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:25:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: On 8-JAN-1997 14:51:54.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Chuck> It's great, highly recommended, and has the cleanest sound of any >Chuck> bootleg (BOC or non-BOC) I've ever heard... >Mike> Except that Eric botches the lyrics to Stairway, which ruins it >for me. >'Cuz he sings "We got better things to do" twice? I dunno - I can live >with that (not like he could've done overdubs of course ;-) ). >John I'd just assumed he felt like singing them differently that time...you know, after doing the song a million times. After all, Al did sing the godly "My ears will melt, disco won't survive..." Chuck `[1;37;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 8 20:29:10 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:29:10 -0500 Subject: BOC Fans have a right to be selfish. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Theo>True, but if they keep alienating fans and fail to draw in new ones >with new material, how long can they expect to make money touring? >If, as some have suggested, old fans are disgruntled over a stale >setlist, doesn't 3OC owe it to itself to conserve as many fans as >possible? Personally, I hadn't seen them in quite a while 'til the >28th, so I wasn't bored, but I have seen them a million times in the >past, and frankly, even though I was exstatic, I would've loved more >of the new stuff..." > >No disagreement there theo. Afterall we pay our money to attend the >shows and buy whats out there in terms of recordings. This gives us the >right to want this stuff. Still if I look at it from their point of >veiw, I'm sure Al would know, I bet they make more money now doing shows >than when they toured the arenas in the 70's & 80's. Can you blame >somebody if they make more money for doing less? I doubt that they wave >their standard fee or sign contracts that scale pays to attendance. Its >$5k for ten pople or 200. Guaruntee Kiss didn't earn $43.5 million >dollars for their arena tour in 1975 when I first saw them. They did >this summer. > >Now as a fan I'm a little on the opposite side of the spectrum. I want >BOC to continue to do the club thing. I can get real close to the >stage, I can hang out with them after the show. Hell I can pass stuff >on stage to the guys. Couldn't do that in the arena days and won't go >see them at some huge arena if they get big now. No offense but I'm too >old and frail to fight the mosh pit wars. So thats my selfish desire, >may not be in line with what the band wants or other fans but it is what >I want. > >lil ab I have to agree....I've seen the band in some large venues, and quite frankly it sucked (not the music) because of all the drunken idiots whose idea of fun is to go to the show drunk (no matter who it is) and get stupid....I know this happens at the clubs, but its on a smaller scale and you're more likely able to do something about it. also, you're right about being able to get on a more personal level with them....I never saw hide nor hair of the band at those big gigs, but after all the club shows I've been able to talk to Buck and Eric and the guys and been able to find out what down to earth NICE people they are. and as for the "stale" set list, while I would like to hear more new material or some different stuff from their catalog, I enjoy the music and talent the guys exhibit at every show I've been to, and I've gotten to hear some nice surprises.....and if they DO play 75% of the same stuff all the time, well, so do the Stones and the Who and all the other "nostalgia" bands. I mean, how different do you think John Kay's set is with "Steppenwolf"? (and all these other touring ripoffs?) I know in the last 10 years I've heard those "stale" songs evolve quite a bit. it might be one thing if they were canned, note-for-note renditions every night, but they're not. but enough ranting Ted ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ And then we wonder how machines That's Army stuff! Can steal each others' dreams It's got nothing to do with us... >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- - Ernest Bilko - Queensr?che From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Jan 8 23:03:30 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:03:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkeye 2-6 In-Reply-To: <199701011205.XAA19163@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Paul G Ward" at Jan 2, 97 02:41:46 am Message-ID: could someone that has issues 2-6 please email me and let me know if there were any further articles about Michael Moorcock? (i already have #1) thank you! --dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 00:38:46 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:38:46 +1000 Subject: Email woes Message-ID: Sorry for this ... but my email addresses are all screwed up at the moment :( The only ones which will work (until it's fixed) include the full server names. They are: Work: paul at bert.pcmicro.com.au Play: sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au OzHawks: OzHawks at bert.pcmicro.com.au OzHawk List: OzHawkL at bert.pcmicro.com.au If you've sent me anything since Monday which I haven't replied to, it's lost somewhere in the void, so you'll have to send it again. Best, Paul/Sonique/OzHawks From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 8 20:14:07 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:14:07 -0000 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: > > Yes. > > > John> I dunno - I can live with that (not like he could've done overdubs > John> of course ;-) ). > > IMHO, I don't think it's asking too much that he get the lyrics correct > to a song they'd been doing for over 10 years. It really bugs me. > heh heh, wait till you are his age... guess ya never saw the dead........ jerry garcia constantly forgot words to songs HE wrote and performed for 25 or more years,practically nightly. this due to his age,and to long years of a whole lot of fun, i guess. i know what you mean on the other hand,it can be very distracting. but i think ol' eric can be forgiven for this one.... ;) rj From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 9 01:54:32 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:54:32 -0500 Subject: HW: NTSC format Video Question Message-ID: Hello Hawkfans: Does anyone know whether the more recent videos from Visionary (such as Chaos, Love in Space etc.) are available in the American NTSC format? I know of a store here which does conversions, but the video quality is significantly reduced thereby. If NTSC is directly available from Visionary, it would be a big plus. Perhaps the company has an email address? John Majka flossbac at wcic.org OB: Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jan 9 04:03:32 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:03:32 +0100 Subject: HW: NTSC format Video Question Message-ID: At 01:54 1997-01-09 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Hawkfans: > >Does anyone know whether the more recent videos from Visionary (such as >Chaos, Love in Space etc.) are available in the American NTSC format? I >know of a store here which does conversions, but the video quality is >significantly reduced thereby. If NTSC is directly available from >Visionary, it would be a big plus. Perhaps the company has an email address? try http://www.visicom.demon.co.uk/ - they have NTSC as well as PAL videos for about 13 GBP - they have also the less recent videos listed... \\joe >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org >OB: Stereolab: Refried Ectoplasm > > From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jan 8 12:21:35 1997 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:21:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: ---------- From: Lurking Girl Sent: 08 January 1997 15:47 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Andy C wrote: > No you can see the mail address of people who visit your web site only the > IP address or domain name. (With all webservers I've used) You wouldn't believe what can be done with Java. It's pure eeeevil. Tori Would you like to explain that ? Javascript maybe, Java I am resonably sure would not allow you to do it. 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M\2]P`B X0-\^TCUG-]$_=P7 9 -Q"X $(&XV<&4N("A7O4$`:#B@%1%!@1'P M805 M/F)(<$/Q;D!Q1/*9*>!V842P0Q!T)P0@/G (<"]P"> )X$#0;"[_.2PM``40 M.2\Z/AO4''P;;]P at 5T?R/A,=4&L^P3X`G&5X"U,^T4D1(#]*H/=*4 at 3U`,!Y M2' V,$I20Q"_.* V@#^A`B !H$(Q Johan Edlundh wrote: > > At 01:54 1997-01-09 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Hawkfans: > > try http://www.visicom.demon.co.uk/ - they have NTSC as well as PAL videos > for about 13 GBP - they have also the less recent videos listed.. Hi! I'm half asleep now, but a friend & I are looking for some of the earlier videos- (and I will look when I'm coherant) but, do these folx mentioned above have these, or do I need another place to go to check on the availability of them? Warrior on the Edge of time is one I'm definately interested in:) Pam > > > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > Just a few notes from me here > > - Every HW line up has highpoints > - There isn't a linup which is the BEST or the WORST (except '82-'84) I thought the Edinburgh '82 gig was the best that I've been at. > - The years between 1982 and 1984 were HAWKWINDs dark years I dunno. They were so grim in 1987 and 1988 that I quit kollecting for a while, though that had a lot to do with all the shit compilations like British Tribal Music and variations on the same tapes. They didn't really get the magic back until Bridget joined. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 06:22:24 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:22:24 GMT Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer > logged on Nah, the worst day was when the first politician logged in. Mike "Sick of politicians, harrassment and laws..." Holmes From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 9 06:33:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:33:18 EDT Subject: BOC Fans have a right to be selfish. Message-ID: >> From: Ted Alger > >Theo>True, but if they keep alienating fans and fail to draw in new ones > >with new material, how long can they expect to make money touring? > > > >No disagreement there theo. Afterall we pay our money to attend the > >shows and buy whats out there in terms of recordings. This gives us the > >right to want this stuff. Still if I look at it from their point of > >veiw, I'm sure Al would know, I bet they make more money now doing shows > >than when they toured the arenas in the 70's & 80's. Can you blame I'm pretty sure this is true. Plus their collective heads are on a bit straighter these days and they manage things better... > > > >Now as a fan I'm a little on the opposite side of the spectrum. I want > >BOC to continue to do the club thing. I can get real close to the > >stage, I can hang out with them after the show. Hell I can pass stuff > >on stage to the guys. Couldn't do that in the arena days and won't go I dig the intimacy of the clubs for sure, but the problem is, when bands perform on that level, they are no longer perceived as big stars by the industry. Hence they have less leverage with record companies, etc. Look what an arduous struggle it's been for them to just get one record out in ten years and on a dinky label at that! Granted, their own inertia is the biggest cause, but... > >see them at some huge arena if they get big now. No offense but I'm too > >old and frail to fight the mosh pit wars. So thats my selfish desire, > >may not be in line with what the band wants or other fans but it is what > >I want. > > > >lil ab Well, I ain't afraid of them young whipersnappers. The last punk that moshed me is still eating through a straw! But seriously, that part of a major concert IS a drag. But what are you going to do? Stop going to arena concerts? If it's a band I haven't seen in a while, I'll still go... > I have to agree....I've seen the band in some large venues, and quite frankly > it sucked (not the music) because of all the drunken idiots whose idea > of fun is to go to the show drunk (no matter who it is) and get stupid....I > know If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em! > this happens at the clubs, but its on a smaller scale and you're more > surprises.....and if they DO play 75% of the same stuff all the time, well, so > do the Stones and the Who and all the other "nostalgia" bands. I mean, True enough, but most other bands still put out albums at least sporadically, and they always include a couple of newer tunes. Even the Stones stir up their setlist from time to time. I mean, BOC are professional musicians. I really don't think it's so much to ask to have them change things around a bit. I return to my original argument: I think BOC would be protecting its own livelihood if they made things a bit more vital to the fans... theo From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 08:58:25 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:58:25 +1000 Subject: HW: The OzHawks Log - First Installment Message-ID: Hi All, I was going to write an in depth review of last nights "Hawkwind Appreciation Night", but I'm more tired than I though I was, so I'll keep it short (thank God they say .....) It was a Wednesday night, so that fact that only about 40 people came wasn't too dissappointing - those that did were certainly enthusiastic! The low numbers I think could have been due to the minimalist promotion we did - just stuck some flyers in record stores and so on, and put an advert in a local music mag (if anyone in Melb has a copy of the issue of "Beat" with the add I'd like to see it!). Anyway, it was held in a pub in a soon-to-be band room of about 350 cap (used to be a bistro), and basically we just played HW CD's for 5 hours REAL BLOODY LOUD ;^)))) I stopped the music for about 5 minutes half way through to talk about the tour and OzHawks and so on, and proudly wore my new OzHawks T-Shirt ... which I forget to mention was available for purchase (design is at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/tshirt.html). Most of the attendees were total Hawknuts (one was particularly "happy" ..... ), but there were 2 or 3 who "discovered" HW last night (including the barman). There were some people from 3RRR-FM and Paul from Heartland Records, as well as Mark from the "Australian Hawklords". A few of the others were in bands who do HW covers as well! Everyone had a great time and totally tripped out when they found out that the event was happening. I think everyone who was there had a great time. Naturally, a few leads for organising the Oz tour developed over the night, not the least of which is the fact that the guy from the Hawklords is great mates with the gut who did all the audio and lighting for the Kiss tour .... and today they called me to confirm that they are happy to do the same for HW! That's it for now ... I'll attact the promotion for the next one a little differently, and try to get a venue for it on a Fri or Sat night, and also get some of these cover bands happening. Night all! Paul From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Jan 9 08:22:51 1997 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:22:51 -0500 Subject: HW: NTSC format Video Question Message-ID: >From: John Majka >Does anyone know whether the more recent videos from Visionary (such as >Chaos, Love in Space etc.) are available in the American NTSC format? I >know of a store here which does conversions, but the video quality is >significantly reduced thereby. If NTSC is directly available from >Visionary, it would be a big plus. Perhaps the company has an email address? I know _Chaos_ is available in NTSC as I recently received it from Visionary. Amazingly fast service for overseas mail-order. You can order directly through their Website (sorry, don't have the URL handy) and they do accept plastic. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Thu Jan 9 08:39:48 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:39:48 EST Subject: BOC Fans have a right to be selfish. Message-ID: ab writes: > $5k for ten pople or 200. Guaruntee Kiss didn't earn $43.5 million > dollars for their arena tour in 1975 when I first saw them. They did > this summer. I like your accounting. Take the gross and forget the expenses. I think if you really look into this you'll find they have 5 performers to pay, some road help, travel, meals, depreciation, etc., etc. They probably net out less than half of that 5K after expenses, then divide by 5. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 9 08:51:35 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:51:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: >IMHO, I don't think it's asking too much that he get the lyrics correct to a song they'd been doing for over 10 years. It really bugs me. Well, I agree, but think this was not exactly a major blunder. Since this is a live performance, sometimes there may be other elements involved that can cause distractions. Perhaps Albert can relate some stories of botched lyrics or instrumental lines from days gone by - sure, some of 'em probably didn't seem funny at the time, but perhaps he has some stories that he may think are humorous in retrospect. John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Jan 9 09:00:00 1997 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:00:00 EST Subject: HW: Videos and Ts Message-ID: The Visionary produced HW vids are available in NTSC at CD Now and Rpm Records on the net (if not other places). Pam, I've never heard of Warrior in video format - do you mean "Chronicle of the Black Sword?" It's at both these spots too. About the Nethawk Ts, how about if the designs were available at an FTP site so people could download and print them onto the iron on transfer sheets. They could even customize the design. It may not be as good as the silk screen versions, but it could fill the void between runs. The idea of variations on a theme this would allow could be kwel. A non subject line bonus - one way that sites get a lot of info is to has people fill out a questionnaire of some sort in return for some free trinket. This is now the big advertising mode on the web. Rudy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jan 9 09:25:32 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:25:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Videos and Ts In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:00:00 EST." <32D46F58@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: > About the Nethawk Ts, how about if the designs were available at an FTP site > so people could download and print them onto the iron on transfer sheets. > They could even customize the design. It may not be as good as the silk > screen versions, but it could fill the void between runs. The idea of > variations on a theme this would allow could be kwel. A possibility, but it was done in a similar way originally (the painting scanned in and downloaded elsewhere). This led to the degradation of the image we were just discussing. It would be best to work from the orignal art. You're right about the personalisation aspect though. Tim From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 9 09:49:53 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:49:53 UT Subject: OFF: Motorhead in London Message-ID: Anyone going to see the clean-shaven one this Sunday at the Astoria??? - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 9 09:48:29 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:48:29 UT Subject: BOC: Nail You Down Message-ID: On the Ipswich 85 tape, Bloom totally cocks up the lyric to "Astronomy", and the whole band lurches wildly for a bar or two before they get it back together. So it's not a one-off! (Pretty ace version of "Shadow Warrior" though!) - Andy ObCDs: Mick Farren's Tijuana Bible - _Gringo Madness_, Wayne Kramer - _Death Tongue_ From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jan 9 08:59:26 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:59:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beavis and Butthead: SPOILER In-Reply-To: <19970108003234.5458.qmail@mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jan 7, 97 07:32:33 pm Message-ID: Steve says-- > Martyn White writes: > > > > By the way, is this movie worth going to see? If so > > is it advisable to get loaded first? :-) > > It depends entirely on whether you think that a broad, irreverant and > very rude parody of american culture would be funny. I thought it was > kind of sad in some ways that B&BdA was a better movie than a lot of > (no, make that most of) the actual big budget Hollywood *product* that > I saw in '96. Like Independence Day? :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Jan 9 09:03:28 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:03:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <01IDY0K77ULU8ZGV3Y@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> from "AJBEE@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU" at Jan 7, 97 08:33:19 pm Message-ID: Alton sez-- > William says: > >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are > >of ideas other than their own. > > PERFECTLY STATED!!! Well yes, as long as you keep the "usually" in mind. I've met a few extremely intelligent people who are overly fond of their own ideas, and extremely resistant to conflicting ideas. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 9 05:48:00 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:48:00 -0000 Subject: NTSC format Video Question Message-ID: > Hello Hawkfans: > > Does anyone know whether the more recent videos from Visionary (such as > Chaos, Love in Space etc.) are available in the American NTSC format? I > know of a store here which does conversions, but the video quality is > significantly reduced thereby. If NTSC is directly available from > Visionary, it would be a big plus. Perhaps the company has an email address? > visionary e-mail- king at visicom.demon.co.uk i know the chaos was available in ntsc, but my local ordered it and was sent pal anyway. they refused to order again. i dont know about love in space... rj From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jan 9 11:26:01 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:26:01 -0500 Subject: BOC-L T's was Re: hw In-Reply-To: <199701081327.NAA07667@aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Jan 8, 97 01:27:15 pm Message-ID: bart writes: > > > Geez, Paul - "On the Net or On Your Knees" was most of the reason I > > bought damn thing (3 actually). That's the greatest slogan in the > > history of Usenet! (and yes, I know that I'm crass). ;-) > > Damn, that insult thwarted ;-) Didn't mean to insult the art, Tim. The art is gorgeous, and draws admiring comments all the time at shows and clubs. In fact, I sort of wish the art were on the back, because it would be more readable there (people are always afraid to closely examine a shirt with the art on the front, because they feel like they're gawking at you). > > My biggest regret is that I bought the version without the In Search > > of Space art on the back - that shirt (Tori has one) look MUCH cooler. > > huh - What are you on about ? I don't remember the option of back art, > let alone the design. Do you mean somebody managed to whack the ISOS cover > onto the shirt ? Yeah, and it looks wonderful. Like I said, I got mine without, and didn't realise what I'd missed out on 'til I saw the one that Tori had; the ISOS cover really "finishes" the shirt. Like I said, if they do another print run, I'm getting 2 more, WITH the cover art. > > back art. The ONLY change that I vote for is putting the engines back > > on the ME-262, prince of turbogliders! ;-) > > What can I say. I painted them on. That's the 'lost in translation' bit ! Actually, they're hiding out in South America... > ObCDSingle: Kyuss _Gardenia_ (found it at last) What's on it besides the obvious? Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 9 12:04:43 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:04:43 -0500 Subject: BOC Fans have a right to be selfish. Message-ID: I don't know if Adrian's or Ross' numbers are accurate, but my suspicion is that the band is not exactly rolling in the big bucks these days. John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 9 12:10:02 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:10:02 GMT Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > Alton sez-- > > > William says: > > >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are > > >of ideas other than their own. > > > > PERFECTLY STATED!!! > > Well yes, as long as you keep the "usually" in mind. I've met a few > extremely intelligent people who are overly fond of their own ideas, and > extremely resistant to conflicting ideas. That's complete rubbish! > Guido FoFP >;-) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 9 12:07:30 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:07:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: FoFP replies > >Martyn White writes: > >> The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer >> logged on > >Nah, the worst day was when the first politician logged in. I have to disagree with you here, Mike. Maybe if more politicians logged on, they would get an inkling of an idea about what the internet is. Then they wouldn't try to pass such bullshit laws (both state and federal). e.g. did you know that it is against the law in the state of Georgia to use an email alias!!!! (mind you, I thik oral sex is also against the law in georgia ;-) >Mike "Sick of politicians, harrassment and laws..." Holmes Martyn "All we do is get screwed up on other peoples' floors" White From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Jan 9 12:38:10 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:38:10 -0500 Subject: HW: The OzHawks Log - First Installment Message-ID: Paul sez: > > Naturally, a few leads for organising the Oz tour developed over the > night, not the least of which is the fact that the guy from the > Hawklords is great mates with the gut who did all the audio and > lighting for the Kiss tour .... and today they called me to confirm > that they are happy to do the same for HW! > > He, he, we can have fun with this one for a while I think, me first: eg If the letters at the back of the stage spelling HAWKWIND are going to be 20 foot high, won't they need a really wide stage ??? Don't you think a lot of the audience are going to be checking their pipes when the drum kit starts rising up in the air. "I'm telling you man, they went into Levitation...... and the drummer, you know, started levitating !!!!" In the interests of cutting costs, we of course should tell Dave that he should leave the fireaters at home, and learn to do it himself like a true professional (unless Alan volunteers). Now of course Alan could maybe do with a pair of 12" platform boots, so we should be able to slide that in there. Cheers, Steve L. PS Good Luck with the Aussie tour preparations From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 9 08:04:43 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:04:43 -0000 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > Guido Vacano writes: > > > Alton sez-- > > > > > William says: > > > >The less intelligent a person is, usually the less tolerant they are > > > >of ideas other than their own. > > > > > > PERFECTLY STATED!!! > > > > Well yes, as long as you keep the "usually" in mind. I've met a few > > extremely intelligent people who are overly fond of their own ideas, and > > extremely resistant to conflicting ideas. > > That's complete rubbish! > i think we are drifting into the wisdom department here. so the guy is very intelligent,in reasoning power, and i presume highly educated,but lacks the commonsense or wisdom to accept new ideas. typical. rj > > Guido > > FoFP >;-) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 9 08:09:23 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:09:23 -0000 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > FoFP replies > > > >Martyn White writes: > > > >> The saddest day for the internet was when the first lawyer > >> logged on > > > >Nah, the worst day was when the first politician logged in. > > I have to disagree with you here, Mike. Maybe if more politicians > logged on, they would get an inkling of an idea about what the internet is. > Then they wouldn't try to pass such bullshit laws (both state and federal). > e.g. did you know that it is against the law in the state of Georgia > to use an email alias!!!! > (mind you, I thik oral sex is also against the law in georgia ;-) it seems you are of the oppinion that politicians actually give a shit.about fair and just and all that. they dont. they are swayed by the active majority,which is actually in the minority,but they are active. i dont think the politicians logging on affected squat. its the radical moralists logging on that stirred up the crap. and the two GA laws ya mentioned are pretty standard across the US. and they are not even among the silliest of laws. rj > >Mike "Sick of politicians, harrassment and laws..." Holmes > > Martyn "All we do is get screwed up on other peoples' floors" White From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 9 14:06:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:06:00 -0600 Subject: Off: The Year in Music Message-ID: Some intresting numbers being reported for the music industry - All info, qoutes from Washington Post (1/8/97) Pollstar and Performance. Record sales totaled 616.6 million an increase of less than 1% over 1995. Revenue was flat at $12 billion, same as last year. <-----No growth for this market is a bad sign. Compare to 1994 when the market tripled from $4 billion in annual sales to $12 billion. Three major music retailers filed bankruptcy during the year, Wherehouse Entertainment, Peaches Entertainment and Camelot Music. Blockbuster shut down 50 stores and hundred of smaller chains went out of business. MCI shut down its 1-800 Music service after one year of operation. Over 20,000 new albums were released last year. Of these releases only 0.05% sold more than 250,000 units, considered the breakeven point by most labels. Sony and WEA are the only two profitable labels. REM - Signed an $80 million deal with Warner only to have its first album sell a measley 800,000 copies. Pearl Jam sold only 1.1 million copies of its latest compared to 8 million of the previous album. Hootie/Blowfish 13 million copies of debut, 2 million of the follow-up. Country Music which had the biggest growth over the last couple of years was down by 10% in 1996. Alannis Morissette - Outsold her boss, Madonna. Qoute "And while country radio remains the nations most poular format, its audience was down 20% compared with 1993. Overall radio hasn't been much help, due to tight playlists, lack of imagination and minimal risk-taking that apply to almost all formats these days. Its even worse at MTV and folks are wondering if any artist will emerge to lift the music business out of its doldrums." <---No Kidding! Qoute" If critics seem able to spot the burnouts - alternative rock, gangsta rap - they're decidely less sure about what will light up the new year." <-----They could ask the people who buy the music or is that too difficult a concept? Qoute " MTV is putting its muscle behing techno, ambient, trip-hop electronica." <---What? Do you like this stuff Shipley? 8^) Qoute" U2, however seems ready to jump on the dance music bandwagon with the early March release of of "Pop". The Irish band has shifted directions before but this could cost it its hard core audience." On the concert front - Top Grossing show of 1996 was the Three Tenors at Giants Stadium, $13.4 million which was more than Smashing Pumpkins made for 55 arena events. Kiss had the top tour at $43.6 million. Qoute -"The summers other high profile rock reunion - The Sex Pistols - fired a blank and didn't even register in those publications [Performance and Pollstar] year end Top 50 tour lists. The army of other '70s acts on the road last ummer - Styx, Kansas, Steely Dan, Steve Miller, Chicago and Crosby Stills and Nash - didn't do particualrly well eithe, whcih may cause promoters and venues to rethink booking them next year." <---What no mention of BOC? 8^) Actually we probably won't get many geezer fests this year with BOC being a part of them. Too bad outside venues can be kewl. Concert industry grossed $1.05 billion up from $950 million in 1995. Qoute "The Billion-dollar tally is notable because this was the first year in some time without a Grateful Dead tour, which consistently contributed $30 million to $35 million to the annual total." <---Never doubt the power of the Grateful Dead. Qoute"There is also talk about Paul McCartney and Pink Floyd, and don't bet against Kiss comming back on the great outdoor circuit this year." <----Yawn, can't wait. Qoute"If the 70's were over for some rock acts, the 90's seem to have arrived for others. Besides the Pumpkins, new arena level acts included Dave Mathews, Stone Temple Pilots and Bush. But with the exceptions of Alanis Morissette and Hootie and the Blowfish, the top ten acts in both Performance and Pollstar were industry mainstays who attract a predominately older audience." <----Took them long enough to figure out that parents have more money to attend cconcerts and buy cd's than their children do. Theo still wondering why BOC has had trouble getting a record deal in the US? lil ab Ob Cd - Triumph - Never Surrender From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jan 9 13:31:35 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:31:35 -0700 Subject: HW: Videos and Ts Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A wrote: > > The Visionary produced HW vids are available in NTSC at CD Now and Rpm > Records on the net (if not other places). Pam, I've never heard of Warrior > in video format - do you mean "Chronicle of the Black Sword?" It's at both > these spots too. Yes, Chronicles is the one I ment-I was about half asleep when I wrote my note-thanx for the info!! > > About the Nethawk Ts, how about if the designs were available at an FTP site > so people could download and print them onto the iron on transfer sheets. > They could even customize the design. It may not be as good as the silk > screen versions, but it could fill the void between runs. The idea of > variations on a theme this would allow could be kwel. nice idea-but I don't know if I can get that done here!! Pam . > > Rudy -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Record sales totaled 616.6 million an increase of less than 1% over 1995. Revenue was flat at $12 billion, same as last year. <-----No growth for this market is a bad sign. Compare to 1994 when the market tripled from $4 billion in annual sales to $12 billion. I've heard a big reason for this has to do with in the past, people were buying alot more CDs to replace their old vinyl/cassettes/8-tracks, but now alot of people's collections are filled, so they aren't buying as many CDs now. Of course (with my "old fart" hat firmly in place) another big reason is that alot of the music out there today sucks ;-) John From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Jan 9 15:33:00 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:33:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: >>Mike "Sick of politicians, harrassment and laws..." Holmes > Martyn "All we do is get screwed up on other peoples' floors" White I listened to this song last night, and I'm sure I hear "All we do is get screwed up by other people's FLAWS". This seems apt to our discussion of the evils of governments who legislate morality: they use the flaws of society's most vulnerable elements to justify laws restricting everyone. Even if it's just a minority of the population who can't handle the sight of a naked human on the internet, or the experience of a psychoactive substance, then we must all be prevented from such things. Free thinkers become ensnared in laws targeting society's lowest common denominator. I can certainly relate to HW's response (assuming I understand what they meant.) "Who are the Brain Police?" -- FZ Chris From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 9 16:52:45 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:52:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: >>>Mike "Sick of politicians, harrassment and laws..." Holmes > >> Martyn "All we do is get screwed up on other peoples' floors" White > >I listened to this song last night, and I'm sure I hear "All we do is get >screwed up by other people's FLAWS". You are correct. I couldn't help repeating an old joke from the "famous misheard lyrics" thread that was around a while ago. >This seems apt to our discussion of the evils of governments who legislate >morality: they use the flaws >of society's most vulnerable elements to justify laws restricting everyone. >Even if it's just a minority of the population >who can't handle the sight of a naked human on the internet, or the >experience of a psychoactive substance, then we >must all be prevented from such things. Free thinkers become ensnared in >laws targeting society's lowest common >denominator. I can certainly relate to HW's response (assuming I >understand what they meant.) I certainly agree with you on this. >"Who are the Brain Police?" -- FZ > >Chris Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Jan 9 18:16:51 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:16:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: <01BBFE0C.51A6A900@snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Andy C wrote: > Andy C wrote: > > > No you can see the mail address of people who visit your web site only the > > IP address or domain name. (With all webservers I've used) > > You wouldn't believe what can be done with Java. It's pure eeeevil. > > Tori > > > Would you like to explain that ? Javascript maybe, Java I am resonably sure would > not allow you to do it. Doesn't it depend upon the SecurityManager implementation? Some apps are more loose-lipped than other in this regard. I believe HotJava, for example, is much more permissive than, say, Netscape. There's a chapter on Internet/Java security in that online WWW book I posted the URL for lately. I dunno if the extent of Java's eeeeevil is exposed there. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Tragically Hip, _Road Apples_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Jan 9 18:32:37 1997 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Jan 9, 97 06:16:51 pm Message-ID: > > You wouldn't believe what can be done with Java. It's pure eeeevil. Na, Java is pure good. The only way it manages to wrangle such data out of your machine is if you're using a nasty browser anyway ;> (Like just about anything out there.) > > Would you like to explain that ? Javascript maybe, Java I am resonably sure would > > not allow you to do it. I dont remember exactly how it's done, but it goes something like this: The java applet loads into your computer. It then directly contacts port 25 of the web server computer to send a message manually using SMTP. Part of SMTP's immediate response is to query your computer externally for your user ID. The java applet could be directly sending the mail message to say, the web pages' owner.\ The web server, itself, however does not do this. Not by default. Someone has to be intentionally setting this up. > Doesn't it depend upon the SecurityManager implementation? Some apps are > more loose-lipped than other in this regard. I believe HotJava, for > example, is much more permissive than, say, Netscape. Netscape falls for it. I've tried it. I also think you may find the new release of Java is more secure.. if Microsloth or Nutscrape ever gets around to implementing it. -Pinwheel in Vermont From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Jan 9 19:37:22 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:37:22 -0700 Subject: BOC: muffed lyrics -was:Nail You Down Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 01/09/97 06:51am >>> >IMHO, I don't think it's asking too much that he get the lyrics correct to a song they'd been doing for over 10 years. It really bugs me. Well, I agree, but think this was not exactly a major blunder. Since this is a live performance, sometimes there may be other elements involved that can cause distractions. Perhaps Albert can relate some stories of botched lyrics or instrumental lines from days gone by - sure, some of 'em probably didn't seem funny at the time, but perhaps he has some stories that he may think are humorous in retrospect. John >>>>>>>> If I had a dime for every lyric that Plant messed up I'd be a millionaire. Listen to almost any Zeppelin boot and you'll find Plant humming or repeating the same line. I don't think Plant EVER got the lyrics to _Trampled Underfoot_ right. No one is perfect. So if Eric messed them up, at least he got the rest of it right. That's live- :) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 9 22:00:49 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:00:49 +1000 Subject: HW: Videos and Ts In-Reply-To: <32D53987.317E@micron.net> Message-ID: On 9 Jan 97 at 11:31, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Rudich, Robert A wrote: > > > About the Nethawk Ts, how about if the designs were available at an FTP site > > so people could download and print them onto the iron on transfer sheets. > > They could even customize the design. It may not be as good as the silk > > screen versions, but it could fill the void between runs. The idea of > > variations on a theme this would allow could be kwel. > > nice idea-but I don't know if I can get that done here!! Rudy, if you are looking for webspace for this, you know I'm your man! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Thu Jan 9 21:07:45 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:07:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: very, spam question,was:OFF: RIP UWP lyrics archive Message-ID: > Doesn't it depend upon the SecurityManager implementation? Some apps are > more loose-lipped than other in this regard. I believe HotJava, for > example, is much more permissive than, say, Netscape. There's a non-java way to get the login of someone using any web browser under the following circumstances: - the browser client is running on a unix machine that runs 'identd', a program whose sole function is to answer network queries of the form "what user is connected to tcp port NNN?" and - the web server is configured to attempt to connect to the identd port of the client host on each call, and log the info. Even NCSA httpd can be told to do this. But this is doubly OFF topic, because the original question was about collecting a bunch of email addresses for spams, and it would be difficult to harvest them out of the logs of web servers spread across the entire net. However, I did get spammed, in a way, due to this once. I fingered someone at a remote machine, and I immediately received an email advertisement from the internet provider that I was fingering at, because they had used identd to figure out who was doing the finger. I returned the email with a response that was metaphorically a finger of a different sort... From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jan 9 22:38:26 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:38:26 -0700 Subject: HW: Videos Message-ID: Hi! Will someone please re-post the website that has the Hawkwind videos-I looked at the page, printed out some of it for a friend-then failed to bookmark it!!!! ( Idiot me) Thanx in advance!!! also- I've now tried to get "Warrior on the edge of time " Twice now, and both copies were Pendragon's first album, Although the cover, liner & cd all said Hawkwind. Is there a place where I can get the real one??? This is crazy! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Ken Alexander wrote: > There's a non-java way to get the login of someone using any web browser > under the following circumstances: > - the browser client is running on a unix machine that runs 'identd', > a program whose sole function is to answer network queries of the > form "what user is connected to tcp port NNN?" > and > - the web server is configured to attempt to connect to the identd > port of the client host on each call, and log the info. > Even NCSA httpd can be told to do this. (Mind you, like reverse DNS lookups, identd queries are a big performance penalty, and so a good candidate for being turned off.) Indeed, and the web server even conveniently passes in this information to CGI scripts in the form of a nice environment variable. A generic feedback script I once wrote logged this information, or "(Unknown)" if it was not passed in (i.e. no identd on client machine). I think I only ever saw one instance where "(Unknown)" was *not* logged in the entire time I used that script. I think most sites disable identd. I know I turned it off on my Linux box, because it seemed to slow things down with no benefit to me (I have only a 2400 baud PPP line:), even though it was enabled by default. To reply to another post, the point I was making about SecurityManager is that it is not so much Java that is eeeeevil, but the way its classes are implemented---in particular the security policy that SecurityManager implements---that causes the potential headaches. Btw, the attack the poster mentioned depends upon whether SecurityManager allows connections to arbitrary off-site port numbers (and, of course, whether the client's machine runs identd). > However, I did get spammed, in a way, due to this once. I fingered someone > at a remote machine, and I immediately received an email advertisement from > the internet provider that I was fingering at, because they had used identd > to figure out who was doing the finger. I returned the email with a > response that was metaphorically a finger of a different sort... obSpamecdote: The most ironic spam e-mail I ever received was one that came out of the blue asking me if I wanted to rent web space on some commercial ISP so I could host "real" WWW pages under my complete control. I wrote back, asking where they'd obtained my name, and respectfully declined their offer on the grounds that I am a WWW *admin* for at least two machines (including the CS graduate student machine WWW server), and so was well-able to host my own pages, thankyou. My reward? The next day, I got the same basic spam back again! How dense are these people!?! (Upon further investigation, apparently this provider rewarded the signup of new victims with bonus hours/space on their system.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gong, _Gong Est Mort_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 10 01:23:48 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 07:23:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Videos Message-ID: At 20:38 1997-01-09 -0700, you wrote: >Hi! >Will someone please re-post the website that has the Hawkwind videos-I >looked at the page, printed out some of it for a friend-then failed to >bookmark it!!!! ( Idiot me) >Thanx in advance!!! >also- I've now tried to get "Warrior on the edge of time " Twice now, >and both copies were Pendragon's first album, Although the cover, liner >& cd all said Hawkwind. Is there a place where I can get the real one??? >This is crazy! >Keep rockin' >Pam hi Pam, try http://www.visicom.demon.co.uk/ for the visionary site. I would gladly trade one false "Pendragon/Warrior..." with something else Hawkwindish - are you interested..? \\joe - demented hw kollektor From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jan 10 02:29:09 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:29:09 -0700 Subject: HW: Videos Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > At 20:38 1997-01-09 -0700, you wrote > > hi Pam, > try http://www.visicom.demon.co.uk/ for the visionary site. Thank you, Joe!! I have now bookmarked it! > I would gladly trade one false "Pendragon/Warrior..." with something else > Hawkwindish - are you interested..? Well. I'm afraid I don't have them:( My friend at the place I get these checked it first:) ) I sure will be happy to listen to more HW , tho!!:) although, I found a Pendragon page-cool stuff from what I've heard:), now, Rush-well maybe I gots lots of that kinda thing:) Keep rockin' Pam > > \\joe - demented hw kollektor -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >Actually, there's more truth in that than you realise. Wasn't "spamming" >first introduced to Usenet by the Cantor and Siegel law firm?? (Anyone >remember their now-legendary and seminal "Green Card Lottery" spam?) I read their book "How To Make A Fortune On The Information SuperHighway". Bastards. Sick, sick people. -- Jon Browne From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 10 11:51:22 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:51:22 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space CD In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:06:10 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi there > > > The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 > > > > > Bernhard 1996? I thought this was a 1995 gig? Do you have a list of dates for Timeless Paens handy? FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 10 11:58:58 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:58:58 GMT Subject: Date for LSD on Nova Drive CD? Message-ID: Does anyone have a date (even approximate) for this track? FoFP From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Jan 10 12:49:12 1997 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:49:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD Message-ID: > Do you have a list of dates for Timeless Paens handy? > > FoFP > Here ya go: Brainstorm - Detroit 5/18/91 Paranoia - Tilburg 10/12/91 Down Through the Night - San Fran. 10/7/89 You Shouldn't Do That - Boulder 4/23/95 Urban Guerilla - Boulder 4/23/95 Only Dreaming - Cologne 11/13/94 Born to Go - Sheffield 2/21/84 10 Sec. of Forever - Sheffield 2/21/84 7 x 7 - Brighton 4/24/92 Time We Left - Brighton 4/24/92 Master of the Universe - St. Catherines 5/17/91 Be Yourself - Tilburg 4/25/94 Sonic Attack - London 4/22/88 Silver Machine - Bradford 10/13/81 Welcome To The Future - Boulder 4/23/95 Cheers, Steve L. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Jan 10 13:24:42 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:24:42 -0600 Subject: Off: The Year in Music In-Reply-To: <199701092103.QAA16335@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, John A Swartz quoted: > Record sales totaled 616.6 million an increase of less than 1% over > 1995. Revenue was flat at $12 billion, same as last year. <-----No > growth for this market is a bad sign. Compare to 1994 when the market > tripled from $4 billion in annual sales to $12 billion. And then he wrote: > I've heard a big reason for this has to do with in the past, people were > buying alot more CDs to replace their old vinyl/cassettes/8-tracks, but > now alot of people's collections are filled, so they aren't buying as > many CDs now. Of course (with my "old fart" hat firmly in place) another > big reason is that alot of the music out there today sucks ;-) I go with the latter. I would think that about 90% of CD sales have always been new releases, as opposed to replacement of vinyl/8tracks. Just looking at the Billboard charts will reveal that much. Of course, I've been wrong before. Damon From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 10 13:57:03 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:57:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD Message-ID: >> The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 my notes say this: Recorded live in Cardiff - St. Davids Hall - 1995.10.18 and Bristol - Colston Hall - 1995.10.19 >> Bernhard > >1996? I thought this was a 1995 gig? > >Do you have a list of dates for Timeless Paens handy? this is originally typed at Bernhard's keyboard: ================================================== Here are the dates and venues of the NOVA DRIVE tracks Born To Go Ramsgate 28.05.84 Spirit of the Age Cologne 13.11.94 Nova Drive Doncaster 10.11.80 Alien Boulder 23.04.95 Silver Machine Springfield 08.04.95 Sputnik Stan Boulder 23.04.95 Terra Mystica Studio Wastelands of sleep London 22.04.88 Only the dead... Oxford 06.10.78 Damage of Live Woolwich 03.06.89 Paradox Birmingham 08.11.86 Magnu San Francisco 07.10.89 (Do re mi...) Boulder 23.04.95 --------------------------------------------------- Timeless Paeans... - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 - Paranoia: Tilburg 12.10.1991 - Down Through The Night: San Francisco 07.10.1989 - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 - Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 - Born To Go Sheffield 21.02.1984 - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Sheffield 21.02.1984 - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 - Master Of The Universe St.Catherines 17.05.1991 - Be Yourself Tilburg 25.04.1994 - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 - Welcome Boulder 23.04.1995 ================================================== HAWKWIND - Corridor Of Flame 1. Technicians of Spaceship Earth - 12/12/71 Birmingham, Kinetic Playground 2. Void of Golden Light - 4/23/95 Boulder, Fox Theatre 3. Lost Chronicles - 10/1/88 Clyro Court Festival 4. Mark of Cain - 6/1/85 Folkestone, Leas Cliffe Hall 5. The Secret Agent - 4/29/93 Utrecht, Tivoli 6. Beast of Chaos - 10/16/71 Potter's Bar, Elm Court 7. Crystal Void - 7/6/91 London, Brixton Academy 8. Steppenwolf - 11/12/82 Hammersmith Odeon 9. Lord of Light - 10/28/95 Berlin, Marquee 10. Cajun Jinx - 11/27/86 Hammersmith Odeon 11. Phone Home Elliott - 11/15/82 Chippenham, Goldigger's Club 12. The Age of the Micro Man - 4/5/95 St.Catherine's, Hideaway 13. Waiting For My Man - 2/27/77 London, Roundhouse 14. PXR5 - 12/6/79 Preston, Guild Hall 15. The Golden Void - 10/27/81 Oxford, Apollo Theatre ================================================== >FoFP \\joe From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Fri Jan 10 15:50:23 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:50:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: Within the last couple of years there have been several privately pressed bootleg HW CD's done in the CDR format. I'm wondering if anyone knows which of these might still be available. Where from? How much? Thanks John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 10 19:02:26 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:02:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale setlist Message-ID: In a message dated 97-01-04 08:07:53 EST, you write: << >I saw BOC many times in the old days, and I've never heard them do >Wings, Quicklime or Workshop. >> They did all 3 on a Cleveland 73 radio show. Killer show!! R. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jan 11 00:40:17 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:40:17 -0500 Subject: tBS: news Message-ID: Happy new year folks: Some of you may be wondering what the Brain Surgeons have been up to lately. Well as most have come to expect we haven't been sitting on our hands. Just like real residents we seldom sleep. On Sunday, January 5 we got together at Castle Deville Studios for an extended jam session. During the six hours we were together we goofed around a lot, drank a few beers, ate some food and recorded some tunes. The style was a departure for us but we figured it might not be too late to hop on the bandwagon. We've called this recording "Pull the Plug" and it's mostly acoustic stuff. We did only one new song. The rest are interesting covers of tBS, David Johansen and BOC. Some things are obvious, others are sure to be a surprise. Billy Hilfiger is going into the studio later this month to work with his nephew, Mike Frido, on his debut album. Peter Bohovesky is finishing up the mixes on his solo project. Deborah and I also have been working on some other songs for some future album. On the live appearance front, we've booked some dates in upstate New York for the beginning of April. We've got some other shows lined up for March in the New York City area and around the end of July we will be playing for a week at O'Brien's in Clayton, NY. We're also looking into Toronto and Buffalo gigs.around the middle of June. Only one show has been officially confirmed and that is April 5 in Aurora, NY at Spirits. Most dates should be confirmed in the next two weeks. I will be playing with David Roter at Arlene's Grocery in NYC on Saturday, January 18. Also in the band are Ross the Boss and Jack Rigg. The complete Dictatators are rumored to be sitting in. You should all be getting a new catalog from us soon. We're offering some new records by artists outside tBS, and more special offers. Stay tuned. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jan 11 00:45:40 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:45:40 -0500 Subject: TBS -Box of Hammers Message-ID: Hi Eric: Thanks for the card. >I guess this message is mostly for Al and Debra, is it too late to order >Box of Hammers? I didn't get a chance back when the mailing went out (I >have excuses...) Yes, yes, yes. I'll betcha many boc-l'ers got excuses. This is a really great album. Those who haven't already should send for it. It might be a good while before it gets in the stores. So get it now from us by snail mail. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jan 11 00:49:38 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:49:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Stale Setlist? Not a problem. Message-ID: Ted wrote" >Yeah, I tell ya, the fact that tBS don't play out more concerns me. >Al, is there some master plan for not 'spoiling' the fans with >overexposure? Yes, that's right mustn't spoil the fans. Now don't you live upstate NY? I better see you at one of these gigs I mentioned in the previous post! Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Jan 11 00:51:58 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:51:58 -0500 Subject: OFF:letter from CAN Message-ID: I got this from Mike Watt. I thought it might be interesting to some on this list. Al >from http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/Canletter.html >> >> this is a letter from Can's guitarist Michael Karoli to a >> Triad listener who later gave me a copy.... >> >> Dear Mike: >> >> Olaf Kuebler who is the producer of AM0N DUUL II -there >> must have been some wrong information somehow- handed us >> your letter which was really good news. Hopefully our >> answer is not much too late, please excuse the delay. By >> the way we had no idea that anyone had ever heard of us in >> the US. It is not certain yet if the album TAGO MAGO will >> be released by United Artists US, anyway we will send to >> them a photocopy of your letter so they will give you the >> date of release and maybe some more information. >> >> You asked for some story information on the group--your >> guess about the printed lyrics was right (did you hear that >> from the music?) actually the voice is just one of five >> instruments and the words part of the music. The singer did >> not work as a poet but just sang what he heard or so; even >> for him it is sometimes difficult or impossible to >> understand what he has been singing when we have to write >> it down for the publisher. Maybe we can send you some >> sometime just for your own information or fun (or the >> magazine). >> >> History: >> >> CAN exists since october 68, the people who founded it came >> from very different kinds of music, had never before played >> together and hardly knew each other >> >> JAKI LIEBEZEIT had been a free jazz drummer and had then >> lived as a hermit in Spain for a year before he joined the >> group. >> >> IRMIN SCHMIDT had been a composer and performer of New >> Music and been conducting symphonies, plays now organ. >> >> HOLGER CZUKAY had been studying electronic music and >> double- bass and been a music teacher. He also knows a lot >> about tape recorders, mixers and amplifiers and has >> constructed most of the electrunic equipment used by CAN at >> INNER SPACE STUDIO in Cologne. >> >> MICHAEL KAROLI had been playing guitar as amateur and broke >> off law study to form CAN. >> >> MALCOLM MOONEY was a sculptor from New York and met the >> others by chance in Paris on a world hitch hike tour and >> sang with the group for 18 months. >> >> During this time the group released their first 1p MONSTER >> MOVIE in a private pressing (later released by UA) and >> after CAN's most scandalful three months live gig at >> ZURICHER SCHAUSPIELHAUS. (ZURICH THEATRE) in Switzerland >> Mal left the group to go back to US. After Mooney's >> leaving, Japanese DAMO SUZUKI joined the group. He had been >> hitch-hiking around the world and met the group by accident >> in Munich. >> >> >> Personnel on TAGO MAGO: >> Jaki Liebezeit........percussion >> Irmin Schmidt .......organ, piano >> Holger Czukay .......bass guitar >> Michael Karoli........guitar >> Damo Suzuki .......vocal >> >> The music is recorded and produced by CAN at INNER SPACE >> STUDIO in Koln (Cologne) which is the studio of the group. >> Until now CAN has made 14 motion picture and tv film >> soundtracks. You might be able to see in the US >> >> DEADLOCK by Roland Klick >> DEEP END by Jerzy Skolimovsky >> DEAD PIDGEON ON by Samuel Fuller >> >> All of CAN's music is developed out of playing, nobody >> writes the music except for the publisher (CANMUSIC) after >> it is on tape already. We know that this kind of making >> music is dependent on having much time in the studio, that >> is why in the beginning we worked much more on building up >> our own studio than on having a live equipment. >> >> The music is based on improvisation, not like head >> arrangements and chorusing in Jazz where the tune is the >> basis of improvisation. ln a live performance you might >> hear something which you remember from 'TAGO MAGO, a song >> can appear as a part of the evening or there might be five >> songs played in the same moment by five different >> instruments, we do never fix a program so every night is >> different .The evening makes the program. That much about >> live music, it is not so good to describe it. We hope you >> will hear it soon or see the film. >> >> We are just finishing a film (7O minutes) about the group. >> 70 per cent of it was shot at a free concert in Cologne >> with 10,000 people audience, the rest in the studio.It will >> be on German tv in autumn and we hope at least a part of it >> will also be shown in Britain and in the US. Anyway we hope >> you will see it (it is a CAN production too). >> >> We have just come back from a British tour which was a >> success so we will go back there in November for 20 >> concerts. We would like to tour the US next year but there >> seems to be not enough money to do it on our own. >> >> Thank you again for your letter and interest, we will try >> to send more photos (it would take us another month to get >> them now)we hope you get along with this German English. >> >> All the best, Michael for CAN > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 11 04:04:26 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:04:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: At 15:50 1997-01-10 -0500, you wrote: >Within the last couple of years there have been several privately pressed >bootleg HW CD's done in the CDR format. I'm wondering if anyone knows which >of these might still be available. Where from? How much? >Thanks >John Majka >flossbac at wcic.org here's the current Hawk CD-R catalouge - I'm afraid there's noone of these available anymore: Nova Drive 1995/09 (US) - 35 copies made Recorded at various venues and dates Damnation Alley 1995/12 (Ger) - 7 copies made Recorded at Minneapolis - First Avenue - 1989.10.04 Timeless Paeans from the Ongoing Rituals of Space 1996/01 (US) - less than 40 copies made Recorded at various venues and dates Secret Tepee 1996/04 (Ger) - 11 copies made Recorded at Reading - University - 1992.05.19 Corridors of Flame 1996/05 (US) - less than 40 copies made Recorded at various venues and dates The A Files 1996/07 (US) - 7 copies made Recorded at Boulder - Fox Theatre - 1995.04.23 I know there's more CD-R's out but noone of those (AFAIK) was made for commercial purpose, and in smaller runs than the above "King Size releases". there's one recent ordinary boot out too, which *should* be available somewhere: Theta Orionis 1996/07 (UK?) Recorded at various venues and dates best - \\joe From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 11 04:05:45 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:05:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: Hi John At 15:50 10.01.97 -0500, you wrote: >Within the last couple of years there have been several privately pressed >bootleg HW CD's done in the CDR format. I'm wondering if anyone knows which >of these might still be available. Where from? How much? Here is a list of all known CD-R boots TITLE MADE FROM ===================================== - nova drive 35 usa - timeless paeans 40 usa - corridors of flame 25 usa - the a files 10 usa - damnation alley 7 germany - secret tepee 11 germany - time of the hawklords 5 usa afaik the are all NO MORE available Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 11 04:05:40 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:05:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Love in Space CD Message-ID: Hi Mike At 16:51 10.01.97 GMT, you wrote: >> The LIS CD was recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1996 >1996? I thought this was a 1995 gig? O shit. It's my fault. The right date is of course 1995. It seems that I'm living in the future ;-) Bernhard From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 11 04:11:29 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:11:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: >Here is a list of all known CD-R boots > > >TITLE MADE FROM >===================================== >- nova drive 35 usa >- timeless paeans 40 usa >- corridors of flame 25 usa >- the a files 10 usa >- damnation alley 7 germany >- secret tepee 11 germany >- time of the hawklords 5 usa two souls, one send button, Bernhard... Tell us more about the Time of the Hawklords CD-R - track listing, if there's a catalouge number, date of release... Possibly the Nova source..? This one has not been menitioned here earlier..? >afaik the are all NO MORE available > >Bernhard \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 11 04:13:00 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:13:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: >- the a files 10 usa and yes, does anyone have track listing for this? \\joe From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Jan 11 04:37:07 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 02:37:07 -0700 Subject: HW:CDR bootlegs ? Message-ID: Hi! A question here-would someone explain these to me?? Also-at tthe Visionary sight is a cd-video-what are these?? It mentions mpeg as the format-will it work on my computer?? Sorry about the dumb q's-but m technology bug is sound asleep at the moment!! :) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > a week at O'Brien's in Clayton, NY. We're also looking into Toronto and > Buffalo gigs.around the middle of June. mid june? thats when hw is due to come to the US.........and in the great lakes region. rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Jan 11 01:49:56 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 06:49:56 -0000 Subject: HW:CDR bootlegs ? Message-ID: A question here-would someone explain these to me?? Also-at tthe Visionary sight is a cd-video-what are these?? It mentions mpeg as the format-will it work on my computer?? Sorry about the dumb q's-but m technology bug is sound asleep at the moment!! :) Pam hi pam. beware! i bought the live chronicles vidcd from these people.i could not run it on the computer i had. i got a new computer,and after a few days of playing with it,got it to run. the way i got it to run,doesnt work everytime. i think this is because my computer uses softmpeg,and not a hardware oriented mpeg viewer. if your computer has hardware mpeg,buy this video cd now! some people have the ability to transfer this to tape.not i. this videao has like 15 minutes of footage not seen in the original release. it is very good,but is in a new format which may not catch on. it might be worth waiting for more feedback from some of our more knowledgable listmembers... rj From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 11 02:58:04 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 23:58:04 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: > > e.g. did you know that it is against the law in the state of Georgia > > to use an email alias!!!! > > (mind you, I thik oral sex is also against the law in georgia ;-) rj said: > and the two GA laws ya mentioned are pretty standard across the US. > and they are not even among the silliest of laws. I think we have discussed this before, but those silly laws still amaze me... Can anyone come up with some more? I love this! Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 11 03:24:21 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:24:21 -0800 Subject: OFF: Java, security Message-ID: Andy C wrote: >>> No you can see the mail address of people who visit your web site >>> only the IP address or domain name. (With all webservers I've used) Tori: >> You wouldn't believe what can be done with Java. It's pure eeeevil. > Doesn't it depend upon the SecurityManager implementation? It depends on the server software. That software keeps the info of visitors and I am fairly sure there are some programs that are able to maintain databases of visitors' e-mail addresses. > I believe HotJava, for example, > is much more permissive than, say, Netscape. Netscape runs on your local machine. The Java machine shipped with Netscape is not able to make calls to the directory and file system, so no Java script inside a web page is able to do something to your hard disk and files. It could be different with other browsers of course. With HotJava, you would be able to write code that writes data to the visitor's hard disk or you would be able to write a program that lets Java scripts write data to your disk. So, what's eeevil and what's security? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 11 03:47:37 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:47:37 -0800 Subject: HW/OFF: Pendragon on WOtEoT Message-ID: Pam wrote: >I've now tried to get "Warrior on the edge of time " Twice now, >and both copies were Pendragon's first album, Although the cover, >liner & cd all said Hawkwind. Is there a place where I can get the >real one??? This is crazy! Just a small note. The World is not Pendragon's first album. They recorded some demos in 1982, 1983 and 1984 (first recording in 1978). In 1984 they recorded a mini album, in 1985 the first real album "The Jewel", helped by Marillion, then just breaking through. After that, like Marillion, things got worse. Except for Floyd fans, who might enjoy The World and Window Of Life. Jerry From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 11 10:32:43 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:32:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: Hi there At 10:11 11.01.97 +0100, you wrote: >two souls, one send button, Bernhard... :-)) >Tell us more about the Time of the Hawklords CD-R - track listing, if >there's a catalouge number, date of release... Possibly the Nova >source..? Yes it is the Nova Drive source The track listing is: ================================================ STUDIO VERSION time off PLYMOUTH 23.11.78 (WEIRD Tape) death trap / micro man / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / steppenwolf / free fall / uncle sam's on mars / iron dream DIFFERENT SOURCES (I have to check) who's gonna win the war / flying doctor / brainstorm ================================================== >This one has not been menitioned here earlier..? Unfortunately not, sorry. I've received it one month ago and it has a usual very good recording quality (the studio and the WEIRD part) and splendid artwork on the front and back cover Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 11 10:32:44 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:32:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: At 10:13 11.01.97 +0100, you wrote: >>- the a files 10 usa > >and yes, does anyone have track listing for this? Here it goes: - starflight - ejection - 25 years - you shouldn't do that - white zone - lsd - death trap - wastelands - iron dream - hassan i shaba - space is their - hassan i sahbe - robot - alien - vega - urban guerilla - silver machine Bernhard From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Jan 11 12:11:59 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 10:11:59 -0700 Subject: HW/OFF: Pendragon on WOtEoT Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > > Just a small note. The World is not Pendragon's first album. They > recorded some demos in 1982, 1983 and 1984 (first recording in 1978). In > 1984 they recorded a mini album, in 1985 the first real album "The > Jewel", helped by Marillion, then just breaking through. After that, like > Marillion, things got worse. Except for Floyd fans, who might enjoy The > World and Window Of Life. > Hi! Thank you for letting me know this-I was going on the word of a friend!! I sure liked what I heard, tho!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace So is anyone else from the UK contingent of the list going to being heading to Motorhead in London tomorrow? I aim to be in the Royal George off Charing Cross Rd by about 6pm. So anyone heading Lemmywards can look for me there! It's near the Tottenham Court Road tube station, towards Leicester Sq. Cheers, Carl From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat Jan 11 20:56:13 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 19:56:13 -0600 Subject: off:CDs to trade Message-ID: Hi, I found that I have 2 copies of a bunch of CDs if any one is interested in any of them let me know I don't want money I would rather trade for something that I don't already have. E-mail me and I am suer we can work something out. Can / Future Days Darxtar / Sju Gong / Angels Egg Hawkwind / Decide Your Future E.P. Hawkwind / Live Seventy Nine Hawkwind / Sonic Attack (EBS Label) Hawkwind / Choose Your Masque (EBS Label) Hawkwind / Hawkwind (Remastered) Hawkwind / Space Ritual (Remastered) Hawkwind / Hall of The mountain grill (Remastered) Hawkwind / Doremi Fasol Latido (Remastered) Hawkwind / Ritual of the Solstice Hawkwind / Area S4 Hawkwind / Zones Helios Creed / Cosmic Assult Nik Turner / Past Or Future Ozric Tentacles / Erpland Sundial / Acid Yantra Word Of Life / Dust ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jan 12 03:32:54 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:32:54 -0800 Subject: HW/OFF: Pendragon on WOtEoT Message-ID: I wrote: > > Just a small note. The World is not Pendragon's first album. They > > recorded some demos in 1982, 1983 and 1984 (first recording in 1978). In > > 1984 they recorded a mini album, in 1985 the first real album "The > > Jewel", helped by Marillion, then just breaking through. After that, like > > Marillion, things got worse. Except for Floyd fans, who might enjoy The > > World and Window Of Life. Pam Wheaton wrote: > Thank you for letting me know this-I was going on the word of a friend!! > I sure liked what I heard, tho!! Pendragon albums you might like then, are Windows Of Life and their latest one, Marquerade Overture. Hey, why don't you try and buy Pendragon's 'The World' and see if there's Hawkwind's OtEoT on it?! :-) Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Jan 12 10:49:44 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:49:44 -0500 Subject: Good Stores in Brea, CA? Message-ID: I have to make a trip to CA this afternoon and will be stopping in Brea, CA for a couple of days prior to going onto San Jose. Any good sources for the more esoteric CD's in that area. Thanks!!! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1640 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 17:25:56 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:25:56 +1000 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: Johan said: > there's one recent ordinary boot out too, which *should* be > available somewhere: Theta Orionis 1996/07 (UK?) Recorded at various > venues and dates Paul Cook (from Heartland Records in Melbourne, Oz) was selling this at our Appreciation Night on Wednesday ... I was so busy I didn't get a chance to check it out (and had insufficient cash on me to buy one) at the time. If anyone wants one, let me know and I'll find out how many copies he's got! Oh .. and my befuddled brain recalls that his copies were called "Ceta Orionis" Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sun Jan 12 16:50:28 1997 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:50:28 -0600 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: At 08:25 AM 1/13/97 +1000, you wrote: >Johan said: > >> there's one recent ordinary boot out too, which *should* be >> available somewhere: Theta Orionis 1996/07 (UK?) Recorded at various >> venues and dates > >Paul Cook (from Heartland Records in Melbourne, Oz) was selling this >at our Appreciation Night on Wednesday ... I was so busy I didn't get >a chance to check it out (and had insufficient cash on me to buy one) >at the time. If anyone wants one, let me know and I'll find out how >many copies he's got! If their are some left I would like a copy. > >Paul > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy,USA,Planet Earth,The Milky Way Galaxy hawkwind at interaccess.com http://homepage.interaccess.com/~hawkwind/universe.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Sun Jan 12 17:38:29 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:38:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: At 08:25 AM 1/13/97 +1000, you wrote: >Johan said: > >> there's one recent ordinary boot out too, which *should* be >> available somewhere: Theta Orionis 1996/07 (UK?) Recorded at various >> venues and dates > >Paul Cook (from Heartland Records in Melbourne, Oz) was selling this >at our Appreciation Night on Wednesday ... I was so busy I didn't get >a chance to check it out (and had insufficient cash on me to buy one) >at the time. If anyone wants one, let me know and I'll find out how >many copies he's got! > >Oh .. and my befuddled brain recalls that his copies were called >"Ceta Orionis" > >Paul Hey, I'd like to get one of those! John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 12 18:04:48 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:04:48 -0500 Subject: OFF:letter from CAN Message-ID: On 11-JAN-1997 00:54:54.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I got this from Mike Watt. I thought it might be interesting to some on >this list. >Al >>from http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/Canletter.html >>> >>> this is a letter from Can's guitarist Michael Karoli to a >>> Triad listener who later gave me a copy.... >>> This reminds me that I recently saw a book called The Can Book (I think that was it), kinda heavy on the photos, but plenty of info, I'm sure. Also recommended reading for Can would be Space Daze by Dave Thompson and Krautrocksampler by Julian Cope. I can access the Can book if anyone wants it, I think it's about $17.97. Chuck `[1;36;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 12 21:46:44 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:46:44 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind CDVideo Message-ID: Hi all, I just got this in my inbox ..... if anyone is interested, please mail this guy directly. Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:34:45 -0800 To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au From: AnkhMan at westwood.com Subject: Hawkwind CDVideo I have a "The Chronicles of the Black Sword" cd-video for cdi. I cannot use it and would like to post it for sale, if possible. Thanks. }~The AnkhMan~{ -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 12 23:16:46 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:16:46 +0800 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: Randy wrote: > > At 08:25 AM 1/13/97 +1000, you wrote: > >Johan said: > > > >> there's one recent ordinary boot out too, which *should* be > >> available somewhere: Theta Orionis 1996/07 (UK?) Recorded at various > >> venues and dates > > > >Paul Cook (from Heartland Records in Melbourne, Oz) was selling this > >at our Appreciation Night on Wednesday ... I was so busy I didn't get > >a chance to check it out (and had insufficient cash on me to buy one) > >at the time. If anyone wants one, let me know and I'll find out how > >many copies he's got! > > If their are some left I would like a copy. > > > > >Paul Me too!!!! William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 13 05:30:21 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:30:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Early Sundial CDs available Message-ID: People searching for early Sundial albums are in luck ... Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 18:37:46 GMT > To: erpnotes at xmission.com > From: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk (Ivor Trueman) > Subject: Re: Erp!- Other Way Out ? > > 'Other Way Out' and 'Return Journey' have just been re-released in the > States - we've got copies here at Delerium, but if you're Stateside, you'd > be better off getting em locally! Address for the label is Gallium Arsenide, > 111 N. Sheridan Av., Indianapolis, IN 46219. > > Cheers > Ivor > ------DELERIUM RECORDS-------&-----FREAK EMPORIUM MAIL-ORDER----- > *More than a state of mind* Ivor Trueman > http://www.delerium.co.uk email: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk > Tel: +44 (0)1753 893008 Fax: +44 (0)1753 892879 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 13 06:54:04 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:54:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! Message-ID: Whew! Amazing show at the London Astoria last night from Lemmy & Co. I'll try to type up a better review, but some brief notes: *Incredibly* loud. I mean, it was _loud_. Far louder than the last time I saw them, and I thought _that_ had been pretty damn loud. Possibly about the loudest thing I've ever heard. For the first encore (Ace of Spades) they were joined by Phil Campbell's son on lead guitar. For the second encore they were joined by someone who I _think_ was Fast Eddie! It was kind of hard to tell what was going on. For obligatory HW ref, after the lights went up at the end, "Silver Machine" was being piped through the PA :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 13 07:06:15 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:06:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy/Rickenbacker Message-ID: Have people seen the new Rickenbacker web site? There's a nice image of Lemmy and the new 4004LK "Lemmy signature model" bass :) (pre-shaven Lemmy ;) A very pretty instrument, I must say ... http://www.rickenbacker.com/4004lk.htm Cheers, Carl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 13 06:15:51 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:15:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Stale Setlist? Not a problem. Message-ID: > From: Albert T Bouchard Ted wrote" > > >Yeah, I tell ya, the fact that tBS don't play out more concerns me. > >Al, is there some master plan for not 'spoiling' the fans with > >overexposure? > > Yes, that's right mustn't spoil the fans. Now don't you live upstate NY? I > better see you at one of these gigs I mentioned in the previous post! > > Al A week in Clayton, about an hour away? I'll probably be at every gig, and the Aurora one for certain. Buffalo is a maybe, if I can mooch a crash there from some friends... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 13 06:24:05 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:24:05 EDT Subject: OFF:Motorhead Message-ID: >> From: "Carl E. Anderson" > So is anyone else from the UK contingent of the list going to > being heading to Motorhead in London tomorrow? I aim to be in the > Royal George off Charing Cross Rd by about 6pm. So anyone heading > Lemmywards can look for me there! It's near the Tottenham Court Road > tube station, towards Leicester Sq. > > Cheers, > Carl We'll be expecting a full review of this one... From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 13 07:57:20 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:57:20 UT Subject: OFF: Motorhead! Message-ID: Carl > *Incredibly* loud. I mean, it was _loud_. Far louder than the >last time I saw them, and I thought _that_ had been pretty damn loud. >Possibly about the loudest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, but you wear earplugs! "If it's too loud, you're too old!" :) Glad you enjoyed it - but forty quid a ticket from the scalpers was just TOO much... > For the first encore (Ace of Spades) they were joined by Phil >Campbell's son on lead guitar. Actually, this having your son join you on stage is becoming a bit of a trend - Patti Smith's boy Jackson, now young Campbell. Hmm. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 13 10:04:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:04:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Jan 13, 97 12:57:20 pm Message-ID: > > *Incredibly* loud. I mean, it was _loud_. Far louder than the > >last time I saw them, and I thought _that_ had been pretty damn loud. > >Possibly about the loudest thing I've ever heard. > > Yeah, but you wear earplugs! "If it's too loud, you're too old!" :) Count me in as too old then ;) I've abused my poor ears quite enough as it is. I think the right plug must have slipped a bit because I can still feel the effects in that ear. That's how loud it was. Without plugs I guarentee my ears would be ringing till the end of the week. First Nikwind tour was one of the two loudest shows I've been to and my ears rang for 3 days. Last night's Motorhead was _far_ louder. I pulled the plugs out briefly and it was unbelieveable ... Actually the plugs cut out the really heinous sounding high-end and the result sounded pretty decent. > Glad you enjoyed it - but forty quid a ticket from the scalpers was just TOO > much... I would think that the sound balance would have been quite good from the street, if still a little loud, perhaps .... ;) > > For the first encore (Ace of Spades) they were joined by Phil > >Campbell's son on lead guitar. > > Actually, this having your son join you on stage is becoming a bit of a trend > - Patti Smith's boy Jackson, now young Campbell. Hmm. Dickey Betts' son Duane has occasionally joined the Allmans on stage. We know Ace Bouchard has contributed to tBS in the studio and in soundchecks: has he made a concert appearance? :) Cheers, Carl ps--the other loudest show along with Nikwind I saw was on the Warren Haynes solo tour after which my ears also rang for three days ... From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 13 10:47:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:47:00 -0600 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: Subject: OFFThe Year in Music >On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, John A Swartz quoted: > Record sales totaled 616.6 million an increase of less than 1% over > 1995. Revenue was flat at $12 billion, same as last year. <-----No > growth for this market is a bad sign. Compare to 1994 when the market > tripled from $4 billion in annual sales to $12 billion. A thousand pardons Damon but that wasn't John it was me, lil ab. And then he wrote: > I've heard a big reason for this has to do with in the past, people were > buying alot more CDs to replace their old vinyl/cassettes/8-tracks, but > now alot of people's collections are filled, so they aren't buying as > many CDs now. Of course (with my "old fart" hat firmly in place) another > big reason is that alot of the music out there today sucks ;-) This was John S. but he's not nearly the old fart he calims to be. 8^). Damon>"I go with the latter. I would think that about 90% of CD sales have always been new releases, as opposed to replacement of vinyl/8tracks. Just looking at the Billboard charts will reveal that much. Of course, I've been wrong before." You may be righter than you think. 1994 was the year that a lot of classic stuff was re-issued on cd. The industry exploded from $4 billion a year to the $12 billion it is now. Ever since it has been relatively flat. The article was full of observations about how no single group dominated the market, ie, Hootie & the Blowfish selling 13 million copies of their debut. The Beatles took in the most with over 20 million units of their anthology. More damnation on the industry, over 20,000 new releases came out in 1996, less than one half of one percent sold more than 250,000 copies. Record moguls are searching for the next great trend/artist or 1997 could be real down year for them. Industry seems to be leaning towards instant gratification and is no longer concerned with developing an artists/groups over time. Are there 20,000 artist out there worth talking about? Concerts were no better. HORDE and Lolapooloza took in less than $20 million each and thats many shows catering to the younger market. Promoters found out the hard way that it is the older crowd who go to concerts. Best of the year were Kiss, Garth Brooks and the Three Tenors. Kiss is even considering continuing the reunion this summer at outdoor venues. These sad number lends some credence as to why it has been so many years for a new BOC album. If they don't sell a million plus in a heartbeat, or have the potential to do so, no major label wants you. Hey the net may open up a whole new era that will kill the record industry period. Imagine a band like Queensryche opneing up a website and allowing you to download their latest cd on to your own. No middle man, record company or anything. Scan your credit card and begin the download. Any techies out there no how close or far away we are from recordable cd's in the home? Not talking those little mini-things. We could even go to concerts over WEB TV. "Live from Buck's basement Blue Oyster Cult" lil ab ************************************************************************ ********************** Sailing on the ocean stewed, fell asleep while steering....Kaptain Krude! Had a bit too much of the brew, there+s a rock approaching ...Kaptain Krude! Into the crystal water spewed, a liquid devastation...Kaptain Krude! Spilling black into blue, why have the fish stopped swimming...Kaptain Krude! Take a slide on the slick, take a swim and you+ll stick Take a ride with Kaptain Krude! ************************************************************************ *************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 13 11:35:39 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:35:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Another (worthless?) Compilation... Message-ID: I just picked up a copy of "Blue Oyster Cult - Revisited", a "Sony Special Products" compilation of 9 BOC tunes -- nothing new, nothing rare, and no liner notes. The cover is an old photo of the band, original lineup doing the "5 Guitar" bit. At first I thought, "why" as far as the cover goes, but as you can see from the track list, all the songs are from the days of the original lineup. Don't know if this will show up in stores or not, but unless you're a "gotta have everything" collector (like me), you needn't waste your time or $$ with this one. Tracks are all from the original studio albums and are as follows: The Reaper, Godzilla, Transmaniacon MC, Goin' Through the Motions, Hot Rails to Hell, The Red and the Black, In Thee, Before the Kiss, 7 Screaming Diz-Busters John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 13 11:20:05 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:20:05 UT Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: Some interesting stuff there, but the situation is (I think) healthier this side of the pond - the Beatles necrophilia albums didn't really do that much over here, especially after everyone who bought the first one realised it was crap (and incidentally, found out just why Decca turned them down). Top album in the UK in '96, I believe, was Alanis' _Jagged Little Pill_, which isn't my cup of tea, but at least is contemporary. (Counted over the last couple of months of the year alone, though, the Spice Girls trounce all opposition. :) > Record moguls are searching for >the next great trend/artist or 1997 could be real down year for them. So what's new? That's been the way of the industry since it began. >Are there >20,000 artist out there worth talking about? I certainly hope so!!!! But getting back to BOC, surely it's their own fault they've not made an album since roughly the Cretaceous Period? You can't blame it on "industry moguls" when every other seventies act in town is making comeback albums, and when Kiss are one of the top-selling acts around. - Andy From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 13 12:12:24 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:12:24 EDT Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: >> From: Andrew Gilham > > But getting back to BOC, surely it's their own fault they've not made an album > since roughly the Cretaceous Period? You can't blame it on "industry moguls" > when every other seventies act in town is making comeback albums, and when > Kiss are one of the top-selling acts around. > > - Andy Agreed. Look at Motorhead or Sabbath. Maybe they aren't selling out football stadiums, but they still manage to get records made around once a year. BTW, why didn't BOC try to get on with Motorhead's label, CMC, isn't it? They specialize in resurrecting hard-luck rock bands. I agree that the responsibility rests with BOC as far as getting new material out. Maybe their management has its head up its collective ass? Anyone know the whys and wherefores of this one? theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 13 13:36:21 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:36:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! Message-ID: Sounds like a great gig. Its hard to gauge how loud a gig is when it is above the pain threshold. I judge it by how long the ringing in the ears lasts asfterwards. When I saw Deep Purple in 1972 the ringing lasted for three days. We had to shout at each other in the car park afterwards to be heard. Are gigs as pathologically loud nowadays? Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 13 13:44:11 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:44:11 +0000 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music In-Reply-To: <1027F034167@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Jan 13, 97 01:12:24 pm Message-ID: > BTW, why didn't BOC try to get on with Motorhead's > label, CMC, isn't it? They specialize in resurrecting hard-luck rock > bands. I agree that the responsibility rests with BOC as far as > getting new material out. Maybe their management has its head up its > collective ass? Anyone know the whys and wherefores of this one? Someone has their head up their ass. tBS as _three_ albums out. Motorhead walked into a studio with nothing ready to go and produced a superb album in _five weeks_. BOC spends a dozen years putting their name on _Imaginos_, cutting 2 new songs for a dodgy video-movie soundtrack, and releasing a half-hearted album of re-recorded old songs. I've lost count of how many record deals have fallen through for them. They have apparently recorded 7 new songs-- making a total of 9 songs with the Bad Channels tracks in 12 years. Gee, almost enough for an album ... if they had a way to release it. This is not slamming on BOC, this is reporting the facts. What the *fuck* do they think they're doing? CMC is an interesting idea. Other than that, they're either going to have to go the tBS route and release the album on their own or accept that they are all washed up? How long can they go on touring with the same old set list? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 13 16:04:12 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:04:12 UT Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: >2 new songs for a dodgy video-movie soundtrack That reminds me - I was looking through one of my Christmas presents (Microsoft Cinemania 97) and this is what they had to say about _Bad Channels_: ---- Bad Channels US (1992): Science Fiction/Horror Leonard Maltin Review: 1.0 stars out of 4 88 min, Rated R, Color, Available on videocassette An alien resembling a two-legged, metallic blue cauliflower takes over a radio station and begins shrinking girls who have rock-video visions. Confused, silly mess of a movie, of no interest even to buffs. ROTTEN CHANNELS is more like it. Sequel: DOLLMAN VS. THE DEMONIC TOYS (1993). From Full Moon. ? 1996 Microsoft Corporation and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved. ---- Sounds good, eh? :) - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 13 16:08:52 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:08:52 UT Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley Message-ID: Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal Champion" stories by divers hands. There's one by MM, several by names than means nothing to me, one by Dungeons and Dragons supremo Gary Gygax (I remember the name from my misguided youth), and one by BOC lyricist John Shirley. Everything's connected. - Andy From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Jan 13 12:20:46 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:20:46 -0000 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: > > Bad Channels > US (1992): Science Fiction/Horror > Leonard Maltin Review: 1.0 stars out of 4 > > 88 min, Rated R, Color, Available on videocassette > > An alien resembling a two-legged, metallic blue cauliflower takes over a radio > station and begins shrinking girls who have rock-video visions. Confused, > silly mess of a movie, of no interest even to buffs. ROTTEN CHANNELS is more > like it. Sequel: DOLLMAN VS. THE DEMONIC TOYS (1993). From Full Moon. i've seen it. this accurately describes it. and i like crap like this,usually. dollman vs. is nOT the sequel to this movie tho,i dont know how they came up with that. that is a sequel to two movies demonic toys (terrible), and dollman( i liked it). rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 13 17:29:25 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:29:25 -0500 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: IMO Bad Channels was worth watching cos of Martha Quinn Martyn From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Mon Jan 13 19:07:50 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:07:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: Another (worthless?) Compilation... In-Reply-To: <199701131635.LAA13758@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:35:39 -0500, John A Swartz >>>>> said: John> Tracks are all from the original studio albums and are as follows: John> The Reaper, Godzilla, Transmaniacon MC, Goin' Through the Motions, John> Hot Rails to Hell, The Red and the Black, In Thee, Before the John> Kiss, 7 Screaming Diz-Busters "Goin' Through the Motions" -- how appropriate. ;-) -- Mike From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon Jan 13 20:38:08 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:38:08 +0100 Subject: the Calvert g/host is back / new links, pics / Motorhead, Amon Duul... Message-ID: yours Calvertian host of THE SPIRIT OF THE PAGE has been disconnected for quite a while - but he's back now and brought back a few little goodies: new links and adds on the Calverts Collab-Relations page on - Amon Duul (I & II) - several new links to extensive Motorhead sites and interviews plus a fierce, brandnew pic of Lemmy himself - a direct web-contact to Adrian Wagner, long-time collaborator of Calvert, where you can directly web-order your CD-copy of "Distances Between Us" - incl. the unreleased track "Stranger in a Strange Land", feat. Calvert on vocals various new and revised pages are underway.... YOU ARE INVITED!!!! the CALVERT SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future best to all of you knut gerwers transMedia VideoFest Berlin Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Jan 13 23:41:39 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:41:39 -0500 Subject: Downloadin' CD's... Message-ID: Lil' AB scrawled this here stuff on my screen.... Hey the net may open up a whole new era that will kill the record industry period. Imagine a band like Queensryche opneing up a website and allowing you to download their latest cd on to your own. No middle man, record company or anything. Scan your credit card and begin the download. Any techies out there no how close or far away we are from recordable cd's in the home? Not talking those little mini-things. We could even go to concerts over WEB TV. "Live from Buck's basement Blue Oyster Cult" lil ab The reason why, my friend, is BANDWIDTH. Ever downloaded a patch for a bit of your software? Didn't it seem like ETERNITY? I think that it would be slicker 'n snot on a doorknob that we could download the latest 'n greatest or that rare release that only a half a dozen people this side of Alpha Centauri have heard of, but the problem is that it would take forever to download. (Yes, I am aware of ISDN, Frame Relay, X2 technology and a couple of other high speed data transmission technologies; however, how many of you can afford 'em, hmmmm? Didn't think so; me, either...) This is the BIG hold-up IMHO... CD ROM burners are now down to the price that even I can afford one, if I wanted to snag one (under the magic $500.00 mark for a 2x burner / 4x reader; probably less thru mail-order), which is what you would really need to burn a tune from the 'Net. Pioneer is selling a CD-R unit for non-computer use for around US$1600 or less, but most of us can't afford that :( Bandwidth.... And speaking of concerts over the 'Net, they have a ways to go...The much-heralded Tangerine Dream live Net broadcast was a complete bust, from what I have read. Maybe others have been more successful, but I think that the 'Net is gettin' a bit too crowded... objCDPlayer: FZ / Does Humour Belong In Music ..."eye to eye; rock you like a NINCOMPOOP!" Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Speaking of Shirley, this may be old news, but I was in London on saturday and noticed a newish edition of of couple of his books. The anthology _The Exploding Heart_ has all his BOC lyrics tacked on at the back. Nightmare Epiphany looks an absolute epic, if they ever got their fingers out to commit it to tape ! Tim From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Jan 14 04:23:49 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:23:49 +1100 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music In-Reply-To: <199701132221.RAA02353@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, RJ wrote: > > > > Bad Channels > > US (1992): Science Fiction/Horror > > Leonard Maltin Review: 1.0 stars out of 4 > > > > 88 min, Rated R, Color, Available on videocassette > > > > An alien resembling a two-legged, metallic blue cauliflower takes over a > radio > > station and begins shrinking girls who have rock-video visions. Confused, > > silly mess of a movie, of no interest even to buffs. ROTTEN CHANNELS is > more > > like it. Sequel: DOLLMAN VS. THE DEMONIC TOYS (1993). From Full Moon. > > i've seen it. this accurately describes it. and i like crap like > this,usually. > dollman vs. is nOT the sequel to this movie tho,i dont know how they came > up with that. > that is a sequel to two movies demonic toys (terrible), and dollman( i > liked it). > rj > I liked Bad Channels, 'cos it was ludicrus. Dollman , was a sequel of sorts to BC, and it rocked!!! :) Dollman vs. Demonic toys was a rip off, it was only about an hour long!! It was stupid too! Troy From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 14 05:06:11 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:06:11 GMT Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:08:52 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal > Champion" stories by divers hands. There's one by MM, several by names than > means nothing to me, one by Dungeons and Dragons supremo Gary Gygax (I > remember the name from my misguided youth), and one by BOC lyricist John > Shirley. > > Everything's connected. Coincidentally, as an ex-addict of Civilization I decided to have a look at Civilization II. The latest version has scenario and world-building tools built into the program and so I had a look around the Web for scenarios that folks had created and made available. I noticed one called "The Fall of Melnibone". I don't have the 'puter configured for CD-Rom yet so I haven't had a look but I presume that user-configured units will include dragons. If anyone is interested, I'd also like to find or create an Amber scenario. A Mars map would aso be ntrguing. Anyone know where there's a good global map, (showng mountains, rifts and valleys) available on the Web? > - Andy FP From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 14 07:41:46 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:41:46 +0000 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Someone has their head up their ass. tBS as _three_ albums out. > Motorhead walked into a studio with nothing ready to go and produced a > superb album in _five weeks_. > > BOC spends a dozen years putting their name on _Imaginos_, cutting > 2 new songs for a dodgy video-movie soundtrack, and releasing a half-hearted > album of re-recorded old songs. I've lost count of how many record deals > have fallen through for them. They have apparently recorded 7 new songs-- > making a total of 9 songs with the Bad Channels tracks in 12 years. Gee, > almost enough for an album ... if they had a way to release it. > > This is not slamming on BOC, this is reporting the facts. What > the *fuck* do they think they're doing? > > CMC is an interesting idea. Other than that, they're either going > to have to go the tBS route and release the album on their own or accept > that they are all washed up? How long can they go on touring with the > same old set list? This is Jazza signing back on: haave I missed something, and has the current album deal _also_ fallen through, or are you just feeling the Godot factor a bit? Nails being bitten here. Oh, by the way, is anyone still looking for a copy of Tyranny and Mutation? Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 14 08:24:35 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:24:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Another (worthless?) Compilation... Message-ID: John> Tracks are all from the original studio albums and are as follows: John> The Reaper, Godzilla, Transmaniacon MC, Goin' Through the Motions, John> Hot Rails to Hell, The Red and the Black, In Thee, Before the John> Kiss, 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Mike>"Goin' Through the Motions" -- how appropriate. ;-) Yeah, but understand that BOC may have very little to do with this album -- BOC is no longer on the Sony label, but Sony obviously has rights to release this stuff. Like *Career of Evil: The Metal Years* and *On Flame With Rock and Roll* (although yes I know it had the single version of "Career of Evil" with the altered lyric), there is not much reason for someone who has the entire BOC catalog to pick this one up. But hey, it's another album with "The Reaper" on it - maybe BOC will set some kind of record for the most albums with the same song on it? ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 14 08:42:51 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:42:51 -0500 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music Message-ID: Theo asks: > Maybe their management has its head up its collective ass? \ That's been the popular theory on BOC-L for some time . . . Jazza queries: >haave I missed something, and has the current album deal _also_ fallen through, or are you just feeling the Godot factor a bit? Nails being bitten here. No, it's probably partly the "Godot" factor. The discussion is based on what BOC has done over the past X years, and folks here have expressed the frustration we've all felt as fans during this time. However, while we all remain optimistic for the new album, it isn't here yet, and many of us, when it comes to BOC, won't believe it until we see it. BOC AOL chat tonight may have some new information -- I'll be on and will forward any interesting info mentioned there. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 14 08:54:26 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:54:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! Message-ID: > Sounds like a great gig. Its hard to gauge how loud a gig is when it is above the pain threshold. I judge it by how long the ringing in the ears lasts asfterwards. When I saw Deep Purple in 1972 the ringing lasted for three days. We had to shout at each other in the car park afterwards to be heard. Are gigs as pathologically loud nowadays? Don't know about that, but as someone who has attended numerous concerts, I have to say that too much volume really ruins a show for me (well, not necessarily since I wear plugs to any gig that I suspect will be loud). Not only do I hate the ringing in my ears afterwards, but I've found that the overall SOUND is better when the volume is lower. I've been to concerts where I didn't need plugs (and didn't wake up the next morning with a "noise hangover"), and they were ALWAYS the best in terms of sound at the show. Too many of these guys running the mixing boards at rock (and esp. heavy metal) shows think LOUDER = BETTER. WRONG! I suspect these sound guys have to crank the volume up 'cuz they are hearing-impaired after all the years of listening to concerts at loud volume. Not only that, but this impairs their ability to MIX the show properly because their hearing is f*cked up. There have been reports from alot of BOC's recent shows that while the band sounded good, the mix was terrible -- I suspect that the problem I just mentioned is at least partly to blame. Music does not have to be at 110 dB and up at concerts, IMHO (or whatever the volume level is - 110 is a guess on my part). People who are there to enjoy the MUSIC can appreciate this fact, I think. Of course, I don't tend to be stoned or drunk at concerts and don't know if that plays into someone's perception as far as the volume goes. But, I really believe in protecting my hearing. I haven't got any loss that I know of, and I want to keep it that way -- 'cuz once it's gone, it's gone. As a music lover, I'd rather lose my sight than my hearing - of course, without my contact lenses or glasses, I'm as good as blind... John From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Jan 14 07:42:19 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:42:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: <9701141006.aa15698@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jan 14, 97 10:06:11 am Message-ID: FoFP (Mike Holmes) sez-- > Coincidentally, as an ex-addict of Civilization I decided to have a look > at Civilization II. The latest version has scenario and world-building > tools built into the program and so I had a look around the Web for > scenarios that folks had created and made available. SIGH! Not only did Microprose improve an already amazing game, but my brother had to go and buy it for me! I tell you, it's a plot to hinder my research and prevent me from accomplishing anything even marginally important! :-) > I noticed one > called "The Fall of Melnibone". I don't have the 'puter configured for > CD-Rom yet so I haven't had a look but I presume that user-configured > units will include dragons. Where'd you see this (not that I need any more help frittering away my time :-) )? > If anyone is interested, I'd also like to find or create an Amber > scenario. That would be very cool. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 14 10:03:39 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:03:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! In-Reply-To: <199701141354.IAA16168@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 14, 97 08:54:26 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > Don't know about that, but as someone who has attended numerous concerts, > I have to say that too much volume really ruins a show for me (well, not > necessarily since I wear plugs to any gig that I suspect will be loud). > Not only do I hate the ringing in my ears afterwards, but I've found that > the overall SOUND is better when the volume is lower. Got to agree. In fact, *all* the best concerts I've been to (sound-wise) were at moderate volume. When I saw Hawkwind the first time, it was at the Hideaway Club in St. Catherines. They started out *too quiet*, then turned the sound up until it was *perfect*, then kept on turning it up until it was too loud. Sigh. Probably the best mixed concert I ever saw was the Eagles reunion tour. And that was at an outdoor stadium, with omnidirectional speakers mounted on the tops of 15' poles. It looked like a recipe for disaster, but it sounded *perfect*, I could hear the nuances of every instrument and vocal. > But, I really believe in protecting my hearing. I haven't got any loss that > I know of, and I want to keep it that way -- 'cuz once it's gone, it's gone. Mine is slightly damaged. Oddly, the damage wasn't from the music per se, it was from a friend of mine screaming into my ear to be heard over the soundsystem. He must have hit some kind of resonsant frequency in my eardrum, because I went flat deaf in that ear for about 10 hours, and then had very reduced hearing for 3 to 4 days afterward. I still don't hear as well from that ear. I always carry some kind of ear protection these days, although I only use it if the sound is "overly" loud. As for the "loudest concert" thread... that would have to be, without a shadow of a doubt, Metal Church. I'll never forget when I first walked into that concert hall... it literally *was* a "hall". It was about 75 or 80 feet "wide", but only about 25 or 30 feet deep - so you couldn't really "move further back", there was no place to run. :-) Before the concert, I walked up and down the length of the stage, surveying the armaments that were aimed at me. There were speakers everywhere: on the floor, on the stage, on the walls, suspended from the ceiling struts... and stacks and stacks of amps, enough to power a Disaster Area concert. Before the concert started, a drum tech walked out on stage and held a stick above one of the drums, and just let the force of gravity drop it onto the drumskin: there was this *deafening* report, like Thor had just boxed my ears. I swear my eardrums popped from the concussive force of the air. Man, did I scramble to get some earplugs before they did a full sound check. ;-) The concert turned out to be a real waste, too, because Metal Church's *incredible* original vocalist had left, and been replaced by a screechy "imitator". Bleeah. Steve swann at panix.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jan 14 10:39:40 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:39:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:03:39 EST." <19970114150339.9474.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: > Got to agree. In fact, *all* the best concerts I've been to (sound-wise) > were at moderate volume. > > Probably the best mixed concert I ever saw was the Eagles reunion > tour. And that was at an outdoor stadium, with omnidirectional > speakers mounted on the tops of 15' poles. It looked like a recipe > for disaster, but it sounded *perfect*, I could hear the nuances of > every instrument and vocal. Yup, the sound at Wembley last year for the Eagles was suprisingly good for an large outdoor venue. The first time BOC the Forum of recent ('92 ?) had pretty good sound after the initial hideous mixing and mic changing. Not the best quality, but one of the most memorable set-ups had to be the Kyuss gig a couple of years ago. Forget ear protection - the sub woofers in the PA relied purely on bone conduction :-) My sternum was just vibrating! It was Type O Neg the very next night in the same place that destroyed my hearing. Like John says, most of the guys on the sound desks must have totally trashed ears, since he set it up impossibly loud for the size of venue. > I always carry some kind of ear protection these days, although I only > use it if the sound is "overly" loud. I use 'em almost regardless of initial volume. Otherwise I keep thinking of those little cillia bending over permanently, ruining my ability to hear the nuances my reasonably expensive hi-fi delivers. Yup, so call me a wimp Andy.... I SAID SO CALL ME A WIMP ANDY ! :-) Tim From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Jan 14 11:17:19 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:17:19 GMT Subject: OFF: Loud (was Motorhead) Message-ID: You're a bunch of jessies ! :-) loudest gig - ManOwaR, Manchester International II, about 1990. Despite the grand title of the venue, its little more than a concrete bunker. And yes they were VERY loud, ears were ringing for the next 3 days. As a poor student, I didn't take any ear protectors. But interestingly enough, and contrary to what people have been saying, the sound was clear, and NOT distorted at all. Dunno what equipment those guys used, but it sure was damn awesome. Neil. OB_tBS connection_ Ross the Boss was playing, the guy who Albert said he will be jamming with... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 14 11:15:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:15:53 +0000 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Jan 14, 97 12:41:46 pm Message-ID: > This is Jazza signing back on: haave I missed something, and has > the current album deal _also_ fallen through, or are you just feeling the > Godot factor a bit? Nails being bitten here. Bite away. The "current" BOC album deal has indeed fallen through. If I recall aright they recorded only 7 songs and the label told them to piss off ... Figures ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Jan 14 11:37:47 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:37:47 -0700 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music -Reply Message-ID: >>> John A Swartz 01/14/97 06:42am >>> Theo asks: > Maybe their management has its head up its collective ass? \ That's been the popular theory on BOC-L for some time . . . >>>>>>>>> John, There is at least one more possibility. They don't care. Maybe Buck, Eric, and Allen are happy playing bars and making a living doing it. I know that sounds kind of crazy but how else can you explain the last, oh say, 10-13 years? If I had a manager that was so pathetic that I couldn't get a better job after just a couple of years I'd fire them. I sure as hell wouldn't wait 10 or more years....unless I really didn't care how things were working out....? Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us P.S. yeah, I think it's pathetic that the last 10 years have turned out this way for BOC, but I will still go see them next week... From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jan 14 11:45:55 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:45:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley Message-ID: Guido Vacano wrote: > > > If anyone is interested, I'd also like to find or create an Amber > > scenario. > > That would be very cool. I agree! I also a Zelanzny fan-great author was he!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace bart wrote: > > Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal > Champion" stories by divers hands. I'll hafta find this one-sounds interesting. I've got "A Nomad of the Time Stream ordered-hope it gets here soon!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > I SAID SO CALL ME A WIMP ANDY ! :-) Well, as you recall I wimped out of Type O Negative entirely - but Kyuss were most excellent down in the mosh pit! (BTW, vegging out in front of ST:DS9 Sunday afternoon, it's the episode where the Founders turn Odo into a human, Bashir's giving him a blood test: "It's completely human blood, Odo - in fact, type O negative!" Made me laugh anyway.) - Andy From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Tue Jan 14 12:56:23 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:56:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: <32DBB77F.66E0@micron.net> from "Cliff & Pam Wheaton" at Jan 14, 97 09:42:39 am Message-ID: > > bart wrote: > > > > Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal > > Champion" stories by divers hands. > I'll hafta find this one-sounds interesting. I've got "A Nomad of the > Time Stream ordered-hope it gets here soon!! > Pam caveat emptor really. i was very disappointed in this collection, there is one story by Moorcock "sir milk and blood" an elric story, of sorts. the greenland story, a hawkmoon one, is fair, as is one about jherek carnelian. the rest however, were, to be honest, garbage. poorly written, annoying, cloying, occasionally about nothing at all (and not even written well enough for me to overlook this _minor_ problem) --dave From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 14 13:41:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:41:00 -0600 Subject: Subject: No BOC Album Message-ID: >But getting back to BOC, surely it's their own fault they've not made an >album since roughly the Cretaceous Period? You can't blame it on "industry >moguls" when every other seventies act in town is making comeback albums, and when >Kiss are one of the top-selling acts around. Andy >Agreed. Look at Motorhead or Sabbath. Maybe they aren't selling out >football stadiums, but they still manage to get records made around >once a year. BTW, why didn't BOC try to get on with Motorhead's >label, CMC, isn't it? They specialize in resurrecting hard-luck rock >bands. I agree that the responsibility rests with BOC as far as >getting new material out. Maybe their management has its head up its >collective ass? Anyone know the whys and wherefores of this one? theo Yeah but what side of the pond is CMC on? Folks in order to get a record deal there has to be someone on the other side of the table who thinks there is an opportunity to make money. What could 3OC possibly bring to the table to convince a label that there was an opportunity to make money? You play small dives in Idaho, you haven't had a gold record this century, people still respond who? when your name is mentioned. C'mon folks putting out records is not that easy especially if you have no interest in doing all the work yourself. Do you really think Kiss would make that kind of money without a huge advertisement budget? Do you think Paul, Gene Ace and Peter pulled the cost of the special F/X out of their savings account? No way they had investors convinced they would realize a decent return on their investment. BOC has never had strong industry backing. Their own label during their heydays was luke warm about them. The numbers speak for themselves 20,000 new releases and less than 1/2 of 1% broke even. Just what side of that equation do you think BOC would be on? Its not the 70's for this band anymore. I'm not going to hold it against them for not doing an album a year like Rush or Sabbath. But think of this, would you be happy if they were putting out an album a year and the commparative quality was such that you believed Club Ninja was awesome? [NOTE: No Club Ninja debates please] Craig: Thanks for the "it'll never work" explanation. Now get busy bud and make it happen. You have the tools and the talent. 8^). lil ab T-man don't be mad but I ahd to borrow this one ******************************************************************* "A year in the hole, had taken its toll, when I took a good look at me. And what a surprise, the scope of my eyes, could only see black....." ******************************************************************* From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jan 14 13:50:57 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:50:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley Message-ID: dave cohen wrote: > > > > > bart wrote: > > > > > > Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal > > > Champion" stories by divers hands. > > I'll hafta find this one-sounds interesting. I've got "A Nomad of the > > Time Stream ordered-hope it gets here soon!! > > Pam > > caveat emptor really. i was very disappointed in this > collection, there is one story by Moorcock "sir milk and blood" > an elric story, of sorts. the greenland story, a hawkmoon one, > is fair, as is one about jherek carnelian. the rest however, > were, to be honest, garbage. poorly written, annoying, cloying, > occasionally about nothing at all (and not even written well > enough for me to overlook this _minor_ problem) > > --dave oh dear-that could be annoying. I haven't got into anything besides the Elric, Von Bek, Hawkmoon, and John Draker aka Erkose aka Ulrich. I do plan to own ALL the omnibus editions as I've truly enjoyed the first 3. I'm really looking forward to Nomad getting here. It's one I actually haven't read yet!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >Oh yeah - saw this new anthology, entitled _Pawn of Chaos_, of "Eternal >Champion" stories by divers hands. There's one by MM, several by names than ^^^^^^ >means nothing to me, one by Dungeons and Dragons supremo Gary Gygax (I >remember the name from my misguided youth), and one by BOC lyricist John >Shirley. > >Everything's connected. > >- Andy Fair warning. Pawns of Chaos has been described as irredeemable kack by everyone whose read it on the Mike Moorcock list! Even the actual MM contribution isn't up to much apparently. And we're all paid-up MM, apologists too. Maybe they should have got some authors instead of divers to write them :-P -- Jon Browne From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Jan 14 15:05:28 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:05:28 -0700 Subject: Subject: No BOC Album -Reply Message-ID: >lil ab wrote: >What could 3OC possibly bring to the table to convince a label >that there was an opportunity to make money? Maybe some innovative writing and a strong desire to continue in the industry. That might get them somewhere with their past. And maybe not, but they haven't even written any new material!(ok, a couple of songs, but not much over the years...) And I don't believe that they have aggressively sought to put out a new album either. >C'mon folks putting out records is not that easy especially >if you have no interest in doing all the work yourself. This seems to support the theory that they just don't care that much about putting out a new album. I know that since I joined this list Al has put out 3 albums. Not because he has major label backing, or because of a huge investment by a record company, but because he wants too. And he must care about it, and it's obviously important to him. >I'm not going to hold it against them for not doing an album a >year like Rush or Sabbath. But think of this, would you be happy >if they were putting out an album a year and the commparative >quality was such that you believed Club Ninja was awesome? >[NOTE: No Club Ninja debates please] No, I want them to write music that they are comfortable with. If it takes 1 year or 3 to 4 that's fine. But I don't get the impression that they have been working hard to write quality material since CN was released. The old adage that actions speak louder than words seems to fit 3OC very well..... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Jan 14 15:24:17 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:24:17 -0500 Subject: Subject: No BOC Album -Reply Message-ID: > >What could 3OC possibly bring to the table to convince a label > >that there was an opportunity to make money? Obviously they need to go techno. :-) From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Jan 14 15:56:58 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:56:58 -0800 Subject: OFF: Motorhead! In-Reply-To: <199701141539.PAA24354@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:39:40 +0000, bart >>>>> said: Tim> It was Type O Neg the very next night in the same place that Tim> destroyed my hearing. Like John says, most of the guys on the sound Tim> desks must have totally trashed ears, since he set it up impossibly Tim> loud for the size of venue. I saw Type-O Negative last October at the Fillmore in San Francisco and the sound was acceptable. I used ear plugs anyway; I probably could have done without, but I guess I'm getting too old to risk my hearing any more. ;-( Best sound: I've seen so many concerts in the last 10 years that it's too difficult to say, but most of the BOC concerts I saw at medium-sized venues in the Cleveland area from '90-'94 and every Satriani concert I've seen are up there. Loudest: Skinny Puppy on their Last Rights tour at the Agora in Cleveland. It was so loud, I can't even begin to describe it. The opening band was easily as loud as the loudest concert I had ever seen, and Skinny Puppy was MUCH louder. A friend of mine who saw the concert with me now uses it as a point of reference. For example, when he saw Black Sabbath on their Dehumanizer tour, he said "it was Motorhead loud, but not Skinny Puppy loud". -- Mike From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Jan 14 16:01:04 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:01:04 -0500 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 13, 97 06:44:11 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > BOC spends a dozen years putting their name on _Imaginos_, cutting > 2 new songs for a dodgy video-movie soundtrack, and releasing a half-hearted > album of re-recorded old songs. I've lost count of how many record deals > have fallen through for them. They have apparently recorded 7 new songs-- > making a total of 9 songs with the Bad Channels tracks in 12 years. Gee, > almost enough for an album ... if they had a way to release it. Hey, at least we're not bitter! ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 14 16:26:01 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:26:01 -0500 Subject: Subject: OFF The Year in Music -Reply Message-ID: Theo asks: > Maybe their management has its head up its collective ass? \ That's been the popular theory on BOC-L for some time . . . >>>>>>>>> John, There is at least one more possibility. They don't care. Maybe Buck, Eric, and Allen are happy playing bars and making a living doing it. I know that sounds kind of crazy but how else can you explain the last, oh say, 10-13 years? Well, I do think the band is reasonably happy playing the way they do these days, but as far as a new album goes, they've been hinting at one for years -- which does make me assume that they have at least some desire to put out a new album. And, if they don't, then they should just stop making promises that they have no intentions of keeping. John From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jan 14 17:05:27 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:05:27 -0600 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970111163140.00692660@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > At 10:13 11.01.97 +0100, you wrote: > >>- the a files 10 usa > >and yes, does anyone have track listing for this? > [[and then Bernhard gives it to us]] Yes. It is basically the track listing from the Boulder show last time they were stateside. Also, a correction: There were exactly 7 "A-Files" produced. Those who have them have been sworn to secret. :-) [[Except Bernhard, who of course is expected to have one.]] Damon From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Jan 14 17:41:11 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:41:11 +0100 Subject: OFF:was Motorhead! now Metal Church Message-ID: Steve writes; >As for the "loudest concert" thread... that would have to be, without >a shadow of a doubt, Metal Church. I'll never forget when I first >walked into that concert hall... it literally *was* a "hall". >The concert turned out to be a real waste, too, because Metal Church's >*incredible* original vocalist had left, and been replaced by a >screechy "imitator". Bleeah. Metal Church -the only interresting thing they ever did was their cover of "Highway Star" (that's of course IMHO)... but I remember that the local news-paper claimed their '89 (what is it called?) album to be the second best HM/HR of the year. "Imaginos" was the best for two years in a row!!! -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jan 15 00:19:28 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:19:28 -0500 Subject: Downloadin' CD's... Message-ID: >The reason why, my friend, is BANDWIDTH This from the guy who keeps sending those annoying graphic attatchments on all his messages.... >CD ROM burners are now down to the price that even I can afford one, if I wanted to snag one (under the magic $500.00 mark for a 2x burner / 4x reader; probably less thru mail-order), which is what you would really need to burn a tune from the 'Net. Pioneer is selling a CD-R unit for non-computer use for around US$1600 or less, but most of us can't afford that :( Hmmm. I still think it's more likely that you'll see stores burning their cd-roms when you purchase stuff. Don't know exactly how this affects things except it might shift emphasis away from albums to singles somewhat. Whatever goes on this kind of front will still be at the industry's whim, I suppose. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jan 15 01:05:41 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 01:05:41 -0500 Subject: OFF:was Motorhead! now Metal Church Message-ID: At 11:41 PM 1/14/97 +0100, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: >Steve writes; >>As for the "loudest concert" thread... that would have to be, without >>a shadow of a doubt, Metal Church. I'll never forget when I first >>walked into that concert hall... it literally *was* a "hall". > Wasn't it The Who in the Seattle Kingdome? As for me, ashamed to admit it was Stryper, but that wasn't fair because I really wasn't there, just inside a building a few blocks away from it, involved in a minor role in a theater (if you must ask, Merchant of Venus). We had to cancel the show, no one in the audience could hear any lines being spoken. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Jan 15 00:50:05 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:50:05 -0500 Subject: Downloadin' CD's... Message-ID: ---------- From: Andrew A. Apold[SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 12:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Downloadin' CD's... >The reason why, my friend, is BANDWIDTH This from the guy who keeps sending those annoying graphic attatchments on all his messages.... Yo' bucko, get a new mail program, what lets ya' see all of these neat-o fonts and colors that I am sending this stuff out in. Come, join us, don't be afraid...Bill Gates is our master...come... >:-) But at least give me credit for deleting a lot of stuff before I send it, hokay? Hmmm. I still think it's more likely that you'll see stores burning their cd-roms when you purchase stuff. Don't know exactly how this affects things except it might shift emphasis away from albums to singles somewhat. Whatever goes on this kind of front will still be at the industry's whim, I suppose. This exact scenario was supposed to be implemented back in the early '90's. Your local CD emporium would only stock blank CD-R's. You would go in, request the title that you wanted, the data would be downloaded to the blank CD-R and a nifty color laser printer would print the CD booklet. This would be especially cool if you could get any musical title from anywhere in the world. I think what killed this was the copyright issue. There was a cassette version of this that did get limited deployment in the late '80's called Personics; however I don't think that you could get an entire album burned to tape, just selected hit singles, in the order that you chose...I think the limited selection didn't help much, along with the rise in CD's and the copyright thang... Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2675 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Jan 15 01:38:39 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:39 +1100 Subject: OFF:was Motorhead! now Metal Church In-Reply-To: <199701150605.BAA09349@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > At 11:41 PM 1/14/97 +0100, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > >Steve writes; > >>As for the "loudest concert" thread... that would have to be, without > >>a shadow of a doubt, Metal Church. I'll never forget when I first > >>walked into that concert hall... it literally *was* a "hall". > > > > Wasn't it The Who in the Seattle Kingdome? > > As for me, ashamed to admit it was Stryper, but that wasn't fair because I > really wasn't there, just inside a building a few blocks away from it, involved > in a minor role in a theater (if you must ask, Merchant of Venus). We had to > cancel the show, no one in the audience could hear any lines being spoken. Stryper were great live, but not real loud in Melbourne. For me the loudest was Motorhead. I saw them at Selina's in Sydney. It was hilarious. The support band, Lightning Rock, were banging away, when Lemmy appeared behind the crowd on the balcony-- the whole crowd turned around to salute him, and the support band were completely upstaged by Lemmy just making an appearence. They weren't too bad either. Then, when motorhead came on, Lemmy stepped up to the mike, and said "Hello Sydney", and the crowd roared. I thought "**** that's loud!!". Then, he broke into the bass intro to "Iron Fist", and I thought "**** me dead!, that's LOUD!!!". Then , the whole four piece broke into the song, and I was in astonished agony, I thought "Holy **** , were all gonna die!!!!". For the rest of the gig, I put my hands to my ears at the start of each song, so I could work out which song *it was*. The only song I could pick without covering my ears was the distincive intro of "Overkill". Always take earplugs along today. (just in case). Troy From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Jan 15 03:39:56 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:39:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Loud (was Motorhead) In-Reply-To: <9701141617.AA19256@helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: No-one has experienced real noise at a gig until they've witnessed Killing Joke - if your ears only bleed afterwards you've had a lucky escape! Martin From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Jan 15 03:45:21 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:45:21 +0000 Subject: CD Swap? In-Reply-To: <199701142024.PAA19558@quip.eecs.umich.edu> Message-ID: I have brand new copies of Club Ninja (UK version) and the Buck Dharma cd (still sealed) and if anyone would like them I would be happy to do a swap. I know it's not a very inspiring duo, but it could be worse! I have all the BOC and tBS cd's except Imaginos, so I would obviously be interested in that if anyone has a spare copy they would like to swap. Failing that, anything out of the ordinary, or maybe the Live 1976 video (PAL format)? I will swap both cd's for one item in return. Martin From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 15 06:28:41 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:28:41 +0000 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Tablature Book Message-ID: I managed to snag a copy of the BOC Cult Classic guitar tablature book in London. A bit pricey for the number of songs, but it looks pretty complete. My query - I don't own a copy of Cult Classic (CD) so I can't compare the tabs exactly. Anyways - which version of Astronomy most closely matches the CC one. Is it - a) Secret Treaties original b) Some Enchanted Evening (with excellent solo) I'm hoping .... c) 90's Imaginos reworking (I'm confident its not the Wild Mix :-) By the looks of the tab I'd say (a) ? Second - There was talk of a recent cheapo european compilation which was essentially CC re-labelled. What's its name ? Gripe: Given the 'popularity' of BOC I guess this is likely to be the only tab book issued (unless there's some major revival!). That's a shame since if I was going to do a BOC book I'd have to press for 7 Screamin D-Bs Quicklime Girl Last Days of May Before the Kiss Golden Age of Leather Subhuman (Imaginos) St Cecillia (!) oh well, better be grateful for what we got... Tim ObCD: System 7 _Water_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 15 06:21:18 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:21:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Tablature Book Message-ID: > From: bart > > I managed to snag a copy of the BOC Cult Classic guitar tablature book in > London. A bit pricey for the number of songs, but it looks pretty complete. > My query - I don't own a copy of Cult Classic (CD) so I can't compare the > tabs exactly. Anyways - which version of Astronomy most closely matches the > CC one. Is it - > > a) Secret Treaties original > b) Some Enchanted Evening (with excellent solo) I'm hoping .... > c) 90's Imaginos reworking > > I'd say somewhere between ST and SEE. No similarity to Imaginos whatever... > > Gripe: Given the 'popularity' of BOC I guess this is likely to be the only > tab book issued (unless there's some major revival!). That's a shame since if > I was going to do a BOC book I'd have to press for > > 7 Screamin D-Bs > Quicklime Girl > Last Days of May > Before the Kiss > Golden Age of Leather > Subhuman (Imaginos) > St Cecillia (!) > > oh well, better be grateful for what we got... > > > Tim > Actually, several of those are available in old BOC songbooks, but they don't have the solos. So they're okay for at least getting you into the right key and basic chords. But if you can't figure that out without a book, then any extra TAB wouldn't be much use anyway!\ theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 15 07:43:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:43:45 +0000 Subject: Subject: No BOC Album In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Jan 14, 97 12:41:00 pm Message-ID: > >BTW, why didn't BOC try to get on with Motorhead's > >label, CMC, isn't it? They specialize in resurrecting hard-luck rock > >bands. > > Yeah but what side of the pond is CMC on? The US, I'm pretty sure. Motorhead are based in the States these days, after all .... > I'm not going to hold it against them for not doing an album a year like > Rush or Sabbath. But think of this, would you be happy if they were > putting out an album a year and the commparative quality was such that > you believed Club Ninja was awesome? [NOTE: No Club Ninja debates > please] On the other hand, I heard the recent Rush album was pretty good. Contemporary Sabbath admitedly doesn't do a lot for me. I prefer not to even _think_ about the possibility of BOC "topping" _Club Ninja_! ;) Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 15 06:10:34 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:10:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: <9701141006.aa15698@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9701141006.aa15698 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Coincidentally, as an ex-addict of Civilization I decided to have a look >at Civilization II. The latest version has scenario and world-building >tools built into the program and so I had a look around the Web for >scenarios that folks had created and made available. I noticed one >called "The Fall of Melnibone". I don't have the 'puter configured for >CD-Rom yet so I haven't had a look but I presume that user-configured >units will include dragons. Oh no! This is a disaster! Not only am I a CIV-II loser but a Moorcock saddo, too! Knowing full well what this will do to my sleeping patterns, I still have to know, where did you you see this? I must have this scenario! MUST! HELP! > >If anyone is interested, I'd also like to find or create an Amber >scenario. A Mars map would aso be ntrguing. Anyone know where there's a >good global map, (showng mountains, rifts and valleys) available on the Web? > >> - Andy > >FP -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 15 04:57:22 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:57:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Loud (was Motorhead - now has small HW content!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , dench writes >No-one has experienced real noise at a gig until they've witnessed Killing >Joke - if your ears only bleed afterwards you've had a lucky escape! > >Martin Ah, c'mon, I've seen Killing Joke a couple of times, but they were nowhere near as loud as the loudest gig I've ever been to, which boringly enough, remains Motorhead -Hammersmith/Bomber Tour. It felt like i had my head underwater for five days afterwards. And I was at the back for that one, I'm usually one of the head-in-the-bass-bins nutters, but enough's enough! That's not to say KJ arn't brilliant live, BTW! Saw 'em with Hawkwind once, Reading '86. Backstage bar was full of firemen because of KJ's onstage flamethrowers. Bit of an odd crowd really. 50% people like Lemmy, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Zodiac Mindwarp, The Cult etc. 50% Firemen in uniform, all getting along famously! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 15 04:59:06 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:59:06 +0000 Subject: OFF:was Motorhead! now Metal Church In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > Stryper were great live, but not real loud in Melbourne. > For me the loudest was Motorhead. I saw them at Selina's in Sydney. It >was hilarious. The support band, Lightning Rock, were banging away, when >Lemmy appeared behind the crowd on the balcony-- the whole crowd turned >around to salute him, and the support band were completely upstaged by >Lemmy just making an appearence. They weren't too bad either. > Then, when motorhead came on, Lemmy stepped up to the mike, and said >"Hello Sydney", and the crowd roared. I thought "**** that's loud!!". >Then, he broke into the bass intro to "Iron Fist", and I thought "**** me >dead!, that's LOUD!!!". And yet the audience howl "Louder! Turn it up!" in between every song. And we get it too! -- Jon Browne From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 15 10:32:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:32:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Motivation and Albums Message-ID: >John, >There is at least one more possibility. They don't care. Maybe >Buck, Eric, and Allen are happy playing bars and making a living >doing it. I know that sounds kind of crazy but how else can you >explain the last, oh say, 10-13 years? >Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us Earning a living I guess. $5k a show with litle overhead could make one comfortable if they were wise with the money and willing to work the horrible hours. Brad>-Maybe some innovative writing and a strong desire to continue in the industry. That might get them somewhere with their past. And maybe not, but they haven't even written any new material!(ok, a couple of songs, but not much over the years...) And I don't believe that they have aggressively sought to put out a new album either.- Well the creative spark that existed with the original members vanished a long time ago. Thats some chemistry we may never see in any band again. Brad>-This seems to support the theory that they just don't care that much about putting out a new album. I know that since I joined this list Al has put out 3 albums. Not because he has major label backing, or because of a huge investment by a record company, but because he wants too. And he must care about it, and it's obviously important to him.- Absolutely no argument there. It could be done if you have the desire, vision and drive to do it. Al obviously does. > >What could 3OC possibly bring to the table to convince a label > >that there was an opportunity to make money? Ken>-Obviously they need to go techno. :-)- HOWLS! What the hey why not put the "Blue" in BOC and become a Doors cover band. John>-Well, I do think the band is reasonably happy playing the way they do these days, but as far as a new album goes, they've been hinting at one for years -- which does make me assume that they have at least some desire to put out a new album. And, if they don't, then they should just stop making promises that they have no intentions of keeping.- Carl>-Bite away. The "current" BOC album deal has indeed fallen through. If I recall aright they recorded only 7 songs and the label told them to piss off ...- Figures ... First to John - You wear glasses? I never imagined. Carl did this come from the AOL chat last night? Was there a "spin doctor" explanation? Truly disheartening. I won+t even ask if there was a plausible explanation offered by Eric during the chat. Maybe his current condition had something to do with it. Anyhow here are three good things about BOC - 1. They play in places where you can smell their breath and drink brews with them afterwards. 2. By continuing to play Buck keeps his skills sharp for the inevitable day where he goes his own way and becomes the comeback story of the year in the Rock. 3. They continue to lead all bands, with discussion groups on the internet, in fan speculation. L8er lil ab Five in the player Maze - Live in Los Angeles Marvin Gaye - Live Earth Wind and Fire - Gratitude Confunkshun - Best of King+s X - Faith Hope Love From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 15 09:28:20 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:28:20 EDT Subject: BOC: Motivation and Albums Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > Carl>-Bite away. The "current" BOC album deal has indeed fallen > through. > If I recall aright they recorded only 7 songs and the label told them to > piss off ...- > Figures ... > > First to John - You wear glasses? I never imagined. Carl did this come > from the AOL chat last night? Was there a "spin doctor" explanation? > Truly disheartening. I won+t even ask if there was a plausible > explanation offered by Eric during the chat. Maybe his current > condition had something to do with it. Say, Brian, didn't EB make reference yet again to the new album at the Utica gig, or did he just refer to Harvest and Live for Me as new songs? I don't remember, but I thought he said they were from a new album... Here's a point that I can't explian: If BOC have no interest in putting out new material, why do they continue to play new songs that aren't on record when we see them live? Seems like it would just detract from their presence as a nostalgia act? Why let stuff like the great Harvest take away from yet another listening of BFY, that we all are awaiting with bated breath? And if they really do want to make another album, why in the hell don't they go the route Al took and simply do it themselves? Penury, I suspect. These guys want to schlep around and piss away their careers, and still somehow find some sucker to pay them to make a record. Dudes, it ain't gonna happen. I suspect that when the euro-trash label got a whiff of what BOC was really about, esp. EB's incredible shrinking vox, they bailed in a nano-second. They probably got a vibe that didn't exactly fill them with confidence, and they made a sensible business decision. And this is really too bad, 'cause the new material I heard last month was truly worthy stuff. Where's the nearest wall so I can smack my head against it... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 15 10:34:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:34:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: 1. New album: There was almost no discussion concerning BOC being dropped from the label. According to Buck, the recording is done, but the mixing is not. They will do that after their Northwest swing is done (in about a month) - Buck feels that this will push back the previously-advertised March 1 release date. Eric (who came on much later than Buck) said that they were working with 2 possible distribution deals for U.S. -- there was no mentioning by them of being dropped from the label. So, it still remains to be seen what's up in this. My suggestion to anyone who is "getting nervous" to at least wait until March rolls around, and see what status is reported then. I intend to start asking around on AOL soon to see if anyone else knows more about the supposed SVP deal falling through. I've heard this "rumor" from two seperate sources now - of course they may have originated at the same source. It may be just a rumor, it may be more than that - I don't know at this point, but I'm going to be checking. If in fact the band has truly got the tracks all recorded, then even if the label did pull out they may still get it released elsewhere. IMHO, it's still too early to tell (and what's a few more months to BOC fans?). 2. Morning Final: Bolle and Melne were both on-line and say MF 14 should be out around the beginning of February. Melne is going to be off following BOC for 2 weeks, and will finish up the issue when she returns. 3. Friends on-line: Aside from Buck and Eric, Albert Bouchard and Billy Hilfiger of the Brain Surgeons were both on the chat last night. It was rather nice to see Al and Buck sharing a few memories from days gone by with all of us. For those of you who might have heard otherwise, the AOL crowd has alot of respect for Albert. Also, neither Eric nor Buck made a quick exit from the chat when Albert was on - so, as Jen had mentioned previously, I was somewhat premature perhaps last month when I suggested that Albert may have been the reason. It was also nice to know that some of the folks on AOL have checked out tBS music. I'll scan my chat logs later, to see if I missed anything important. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Jan 15 11:01:03 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:01:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Are any CDR bootlegs still available? Message-ID: At 16:05 14.01.97 -0600, you wrote: >Also, a correction: There were exactly 7 "A-Files" produced. Those who >have them have been sworn to secret. :-) >[[Except Bernhard, who of course is expected to have one.]] Are you a clairvoyant ? It seems so :-)) Bernhard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 15 11:33:51 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:33:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Downloadin' CD's... In-Reply-To: <01BC01AB.BA136580@dynamic-7.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Craig Shipley wrote: > The reason why, my friend, is BANDWIDTH. Ever downloaded a patch for a > bit of your software? Didn't it seem like ETERNITY? I think that it > would be slicker 'n snot on a doorknob that we could download the latest > 'n greatest or that rare release that only a half a dozen people this > side of Alpha Centauri have heard of, but the problem is that it would > take forever to download. (Yes, I am aware of ISDN, Frame Relay, X2 > technology and a couple of other high speed data transmission > technologies; however, how many of you can afford 'em, hmmmm? Didn't > think so; me, either...) This is the BIG hold-up IMHO... Actually, the problem is more interesting than that. There is not currently a shortage of bandwidth. Not in the Internet backbone, at least. Where the shortage arises is at the "edges" or periphery of the Internet, e.g. where your typical university/corporation connects to it. *That* is where the bottleneck currently lies, not in the backbone itself. Actually, that's the main reason the Internet backbone can keep up with (even ahead of) demand. Here at VT we are about to upgrade to low-ATM speed (155 Mb/sec), so we are doing our bit to degrade overall performance. :-) Naturally, those folks using our modem pool to access the Internet will still be straining their data through 2400-115200 bps connections, and so even if we had a multi-gigabit connection, they'd still have to wait and wait and wait for certain things. :-) But at least this means we can now use the Mbone without necessarily having to reserve the session with CNS in advance... :-) We can also use our existing bandwidth more sensibly. For example, HTTP (as used in the WWW) is a *terrible* protocol from the point of view of low-overhead, fast parsing efficiency. Btw, since there is a big impetus for video on demand, there is a LOT of effort being put into solving this problem. If they get video on demand to work, all the stuff that AB wanted will naturally follow as a corollary. Frighteningly, the world seems to be turning back to centralised computing. (See the chapter in that online WWW book I posted the URL for; see chapters 22 & 23.) This seems a big step back in many ways for the user, IMHO, but a Good Thing[tm] for administrators and large corporation$. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, _For The Last Time_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 15 12:00:22 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:00:22 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: I'm been making enquiries on the prog rock board about this one and it seems that although there are a few folk who have picked up the CD with Hawkwind artwork and Pendragon music no-one appears to have a version with Pendragon artwork and Hawkwind music. I suspect this second version doesn't exist! If I hear of anyone who is willing to part with theirs in trade or exchange I'll pass on the news. Is anyone else apart from me (and mine is on the way - thank you MF!) particularly interested in this? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Jan 15 13:22:05 1997 From: halligan at EARTHLINK.NET (John Halligan) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:22:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Motivation and Albums Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD Adrian R." >> >> Carl>-Bite away. The "current" BOC album deal has indeed fallen >> through. >> If I recall aright they recorded only 7 songs and the label told them to >> piss off ...- >> Figures ... >> >> First to John - You wear glasses? I never imagined. Carl did this come >> from the AOL chat last night? Was there a "spin doctor" explanation? >> Truly disheartening. I won+t even ask if there was a plausible >> explanation offered by Eric during the chat. Maybe his current >> condition had something to do with it. >Say, Brian, didn't EB make reference yet again to the new album at >the Utica gig, or did he just refer to Harvest and Live for Me as new >songs? I don't remember, but I thought he said they were from a new >album... Eric said before Harvest that the new album would be out March 1st. What I couldn't understand is that he never said the name of the song! >Here's a point that I can't explian: >If BOC have no interest in putting out new material, why do they >continue to play new songs that aren't on record when we see them >live? Seems like it would just detract from their presence as a >nostalgia act? Why let stuff like the great Harvest take away from >yet another listening of BFY, that we all are awaiting with bated >breath? They like to torture us. It's part of their little sadistic game ;) >And if they really do want to make another album, why in the hell >don't they go the route Al took and simply do it themselves? Penury, >I suspect. These guys want to schlep around and piss away their >careers, and still somehow find some sucker to pay them to make a >record. Dudes, it ain't gonna happen. I suspect that when the >euro-trash label got a whiff of what BOC was really about, esp. EB's >incredible shrinking vox, they bailed in a nano-second. They >probably got a vibe that didn't exactly fill them with confidence, >and they made a sensible business decision. And this is really too >bad, 'cause the new material I heard last month was truly worthy >stuff. Where's the nearest wall so I can smack my head against it... >theo I continue to have an optimistic outlook on BOC's album rumors. Until they come right out and say it, I'll continue thinking they're still on the label. If the deal has indeed fallen through, they should just tape their recordings on blank 90min tapes and sell them at concerts 'cause if a "euro-trash" label doesn't want them, who will? That's it! Back to basics! Sell the new music on cheap tapes and create a new BOC t-shirt with "Blue Oyster Cult" in iron-on fuzzy letters, and the album art on the back done in fabric crayon. Play the "starving artist" angle! :P Brian ________________________________________________________ Brian T. Halligan "Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu" Alfred University Communication Studies- '97 "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing. We want to be free, free as the wind." -Frank Zappa ________________________________________________________ From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jan 15 12:58:27 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:58:27 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > I'm been making enquiries on the prog rock board about this one and it > seems that although there are a few folk who have picked up the CD with > Hawkwind artwork and Pendragon music no-one appears to have a version > with Pendragon artwork and Hawkwind music. I suspect this second > version doesn't exist! > > If I hear of anyone who is willing to part with theirs in trade or > exchange I'll pass on the news. Is anyone else apart from me (and > mine is on the way - thank you MF!) particularly interested in this? > > jill I was one of those-I picked one up at my local Hastings (Book,Music, Video). Took it back,and had my really good friend who's there order me another. it ccam in, and was the same problem. We figured that the entire pressing was wrong-I ordered another-hopefully it'll be right this time!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Paul, What was the URL for that online book again? Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 10:51 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: OFF: Re: Downloadin' CD's... On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Craig Shipley wrote: > The reason why, my friend, is BANDWIDTH. Ever downloaded a patch for a > bit of your software? Didn't it seem like ETERNITY? I think that it > would be slicker 'n snot on a doorknob that we could download the latest > 'n greatest or that rare release that only a half a dozen people this > side of Alpha Centauri have heard of, but the problem is that it would > take forever to download. (Yes, I am aware of ISDN, Frame Relay, X2 > technology and a couple of other high speed data transmission > technologies; however, how many of you can afford 'em, hmmmm? Didn't > think so; me, either...) This is the BIG hold-up IMHO... Actually, the problem is more interesting than that. There is not currently a shortage of bandwidth. Not in the Internet backbone, at least. Where the shortage arises is at the "edges" or periphery of the Internet, e.g. where your typical university/corporation connects to it. *That* is where the bottleneck currently lies, not in the backbone itself. Actually, that's the main reason the Internet backbone can keep up with (even ahead of) demand. Here at VT we are about to upgrade to low-ATM speed (155 Mb/sec), so we are doing our bit to degrade overall performance. :-) Naturally, those folks using our modem pool to access the Internet will still be straining their data through 2400-115200 bps connections, and so even if we had a multi-gigabit connection, they'd still have to wait and wait and wait for certain things. :-) But at least this means we can now use the Mbone without necessarily having to reserve the session with CNS in advance... :-) We can also use our existing bandwidth more sensibly. For example, HTTP (as used in the WWW) is a *terrible* protocol from the point of view of low-overhead, fast parsing efficiency. Btw, since there is a big impetus for video on demand, there is a LOT of effort being put into solving this problem. If they get video on demand to work, all the stuff that AB wanted will naturally follow as a corollary. Frighteningly, the world seems to be turning back to centralised computing. (See the chapter in that online WWW book I posted the URL for; see chapters 22 & 23.) This seems a big step back in many ways for the user, IMHO, but a Good Thing[tm] for administrators and large corporation$. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, _For The Last Time_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Jan 15 15:06:37 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL In-Reply-To: <199701151534.KAA15903@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 15, 97 10:34:23 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > 1. New album: There was almost no discussion concerning BOC being > dropped from the label. According to Buck, the recording is done, > but the mixing is not. They will do that after their Northwest swing > is done (in about a month) - Buck feels that this will push back > the previously-advertised March 1 release date. You mean March 1, 1989, right? ;-) I almost (almost, but not quite) feel like grepping the archives for concert reviews and see how many release dates for the new album have been announced since this list started. > Eric (who came on much > later than Buck) said that they were working with 2 possible distribution > deals for U.S. -- there was no mentioning by them of being dropped > from the label. So, it still remains to be seen what's up in this. > My suggestion to anyone who is "getting nervous" to at least wait until > March rolls around, and see what status is reported then. Anybody taking bets? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jan 15 15:19:35 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:19:35 +0100 Subject: OFF; See you later Oysters and Hawksters Message-ID: Hi I'll be living the Royal Capital of Sweden (that's Stockholm) for a month and I don't think I'll have any possibility to check my mail... so I'll "SET NO MAIL" from Friday... So, I think you'll have to be prepared to answer a lot of silly questions when I'm back again in February. But you can still mail me privately of course... but I won't read it in a month... until later -Daniel Wikdahl ps ...I think I shouldn't have made that "Godot" joke... it feels like everything is my fault ;-) ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 15 16:03:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:03:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: >> is done (in about a month) - Buck feels that this will push back > the previously-advertised March 1 release date. >You mean March 1, 1989, right? ;-) Maybe March 1, 1999 . . . ;-) I think Buck also jokingly said last night that it would be released on March 1st, but they weren't sure what year... >> My suggestion to anyone who is "getting nervous" to at least wait until > March rolls around, and see what status is reported then. >Anybody taking bets? ;-) Well, no. At this point in time, I'd be willing to bet that they do release the new album in some form this year. If they really do have all the songs recorded, and can get them mixed, then I've got to believe that somehow the CD will be distributed -- I think BOC's online fans will put pressure on them to release it on their own accord and they can sell 'em mail order and at concerts. Like I believe Theo said - hey, at this point, if some "Euro-trash" label won't have them, what's left? In my mind, they will have run out of any better avenues, and they'll be sitting with a master tape of these new tunes that we're all screaming for. But, again, that's assuming that their record deal really has fallen through, and I just don't know that for a fact at this point. There is still 6 weeks until March 1st - we'll see what develops between now and then . . . John From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Wed Jan 15 16:33:30 1997 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:33:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <32D7480C.11D3@pi.net> from "Jerry" at Jan 10, 97 11:58:04 pm Message-ID: I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your pocket in Texas. For quite some time (maybe still) it was (or is) illegal to buy baby food, diapers and lots of other stuff on Sundays in South Carolina. Part of a bunch of laws that were refered to as "Blue Laws". I still wonder where they got that name. -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 15 12:42:42 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:42:42 +0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: On the subject of album cover rip-offs, I wonder if there are any others out there that have been used on other albums, books, mags, etc.. I know that there are many other artists who have had their album covers ripped off. William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 15 18:25:56 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:25:56 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD In-Reply-To: Cliff & Pam Wheaton's message of Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:58:27 -0700 Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > I was one of those-I picked one up at my local Hastings (Book,Music, > Video). Took it back,and had my really good friend who's there order me > another. it ccam in, and was the same problem. We figured that the > entire pressing was wrong-I ordered another-hopefully it'll be right > this time!! > Pam Still, if you had kept them, in about five years time you could probably trade them with Hawkwind Kollectors such as myself for at least the full value of the replacement and possibly more - depending on how many Hawkwind Kollectors are still around then and how many of these mis-pressings turn up! Of the folk I've been in touch with I'd reckon that most have returned their mis-pressed CDs for replacement. However some have either kept them because they don't mind what the label looks like as long as the music is Pendragon or because they reckon it's likely to become a rarity. The first lot might possibly be willing to trade. The latter you can forget about! On the other hand writing to Griffin and specifically requesting a mispressed copy is always a possibility. jill obpeeve> a bicycle thief who, not content with ripping off my lights and a bike horn has now removed the plastic toe-clips from both pedals. Plastic toe clips....! They were dirty, scratched and broken and it must have taken him ages to unbolt them. So why?! (No answer necessary! 8-( ) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ellis at SES.COM Wed Jan 15 17:53:33 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:53:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: > From: Ed Gallagher > I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your > pocket in Texas. > Hmm, considering that an ice cream cone usually wouldn't last very long in your pocket - especially in the summer - this sounds like a tall tale to me. > For quite some time (maybe still) it was (or is) illegal to buy baby > food, diapers and lots of other stuff on Sundays in South Carolina. Part > of a bunch of laws that were refered to as "Blue Laws". > Just a few years ago, Blue Laws in Texas meant that just about all stores had to be closed on Sundays - department stores, malls, record stores (!). You could buy food, but not luxury items. The sale of liquor is still restricted to certain hours in Texas. You can't buy beer or wine till noon on Sunday, and hard liquor can't be sold on Sunday at all. > I still wonder where they got that name. I don't know the source of the name, but Blue Laws are/were common in the Bible Belt states dominated by Baptists. I believe they are a direct result of Baptists frowning upon frivolousness in general and particularily on Sundays. No drinkin' and no dancin' allowed ! > > -- > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." > - Albert Einstein > > Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us > Advanced Technology Specialist > William Rainey Harper College > Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 > 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 > Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 12:29:56 1997 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:29:56 EST Subject: Web Page In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970111163140.00692660@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 11, 97 04:32:44 pm Message-ID: Hi all jut noticed that the web page has been updated. Part 2 of the Dave Brock interview has at last appeared & there is also some updated news. regards Marty From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jan 15 19:09:52 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:09:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: Ed writes; >For quite some time (maybe still) it was (or is) illegal to buy baby >food, diapers and lots of other stuff on Sundays in South Carolina. Part >of a bunch of laws that were refered to as "Blue Laws". > >I still wonder where they got that name. > Can it have something to do with that blue fluid that you can see in napkin commercials??? :-) -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Jan 15 18:53:22 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:53:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: John says; I think BOC's online fans >will put pressure on them to release it on their own accord and they >can sell 'em mail order and at concerts. Like I believe Theo said - >hey, at this point, if some "Euro-trash" label won't have them, what's >left? In my mind, they will have run out of any better avenues, and >they'll be sitting with a master tape of these new tunes that we're >all screaming for. I have an idea! Why don't they invite somebody like,let's say, Phil Anselmo to make a guest appearance on the album, maybe he isn't a fan but at least he (if EB is telling us the truth) appreciates BOC's music. With no doubt BOC would have a deal immediately. Then there's no reason for guys like me to call the CD "Godot" anylonger. Cliff Burton was also found of BOC... but there is a slight problem... -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 15 17:32:16 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:32:16 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: this is not always true. for instance...a painting from a particular painter's collection may be permitted by the artist to be used on a book cover. then years later molly hatchet wants to use it. if the artist allows it,well its not ripping it off. also,if a copyright isn't actively protected,often after a period of non-defence the artwork will become public domain. then anyone can use it without permission.i don't personally know of any blatant rip-offs,but i suppose it may happen. p.s. i do know that a LOT of paintings are specifically painted to illustrate a story for a bookcover,then later gets used as an album cover. michael whelan painted the one cover for stormbringer,which later appeared on the cover of a c'rith ungol album.i dont know if it was legal,i no longer have the album to check. > On the subject of album cover rip-offs, I wonder if there are any others out there that have been used on other albums, books, mags, etc.. I know that there are many other artists who have had their album covers ripped off. William From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Jan 15 23:25:18 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:25:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: At 03:06 PM 1/15/97 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >John A Swartz writes: >> >> later than Buck) said that they were working with 2 possible distribution >> deals for U.S. -- there was no mentioning by them of being dropped >> from the label. So, it still remains to be seen what's up in this. >> My suggestion to anyone who is "getting nervous" to at least wait until >> March rolls around, and see what status is reported then. > >Anybody taking bets? ;-) Rather than taking yes/no bets we should set up a pool whereby we can buy blocks of dates and whoever has the range in which it is finally released wins the pool. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 15 23:30:09 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:30:09 -0500 Subject: Downloadin' CD's... In-Reply-To: <0007phnpdjtl.H000028000f863e0@igate.sprint.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Allan T. Grohe, Jr. wrote: > What was the URL for that online book again? http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~wwwbtb/book/ Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, _For The Last Time_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stayer at PI.NET Wed Jan 15 22:27:35 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:27:35 -0800 Subject: BOC new album Message-ID: This is what Bolle had to say about the new album... ======================================================================= > The deal is as on as it was all the time, the only delay there may be is with > the distribution for the US side of things.... > I'll be seeing Buck at NAMM convention this weekend and I'll find out any > serious details about it all... > But there are 10 songs so that 7 Songs issue is because Morning Final will be > the first to tell the full track list! :-)======================================================================= Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 16 02:11:30 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:11:30 -0500 Subject: HW: SONIC ALERT!!! Cheap source of HW remasters FOUND!!! Message-ID: GReeTiNGS TeCHNiCiaNS oF THe aMeRiCaN DeTaCHMeNT oF SPaCeSHiP HaWKWiND, i BRiNG You NeWS! If you are looking for the remastered versions of the first five HW CD's, contact Compact Disk Warehouse in the greater SF area (Sunnyvale 408-730-0991, Newark 510-796-1013). They are selling all of their remastered versions for $19.99. Yes, that includes the 2-CD set of SPACE RITUAL (which I have seen going for as much as US$57.00. I do not know if they do mail-order and, I'm sorry, but I cannot obtain any copies for anyone. Act NOW, I don't know how many they have in stock or for how long this sale will last... (I now have cheap copies of both SONIC ATTACK and LOVE IN SPACE, heh-heh...oh, damn, forgot to check on Alan Davies CAPTURED ROTATION!) ObjCD-ROM drive: The Brain / Access & Amplify TRaNSMiSSioN eNDS... craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe they are a direct result > of Baptists frowning upon frivolousness in general and particularily on > Sundays. No drinkin' and no dancin' allowed ! SO, why can't Baptists of this sort make love standing up? - 'cos it can lead to dancing!!!! :) Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Jan 16 02:41:24 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:41:24 +1100 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970115235322.00904c64@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > John says; > I think BOC's online fans > >will put pressure on them to release it on their own accord and they > >can sell 'em mail order and at concerts. Like I believe Theo said - > >hey, at this point, if some "Euro-trash" label won't have them, what's > >left? In my mind, they will have run out of any better avenues, and > >they'll be sitting with a master tape of these new tunes that we're > >all screaming for. > > I have an idea! Why don't they invite somebody like,let's say, Phil Anselmo > to make a guest appearance on the album, maybe he isn't a fan but at least > he (if EB is telling us the truth) appreciates BOC's music. Phil who? > With no doubt BOC would have a deal immediately. It is easy to get signed these days, I don't know what the stress is all about. You can always release it yourself, like tBS and MSG etc. > Then there's no reason for guys like me to call the CD "Godot" anylonger. Still feelin' guilty? Why? That was the highlight of '96!! :) > Cliff Burton was also found of BOC... but there is a slight problem... So am I, but it is an act of mercy that *I* don't play on the new BOC album. :) They will be cool, don't stress guys! Troy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Jan 16 02:54:42 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:54:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: RE: Re: Downloadin' CD's... Message-ID: Btw, since there is a big impetus for video on demand, there is a LOT of effort being put into solving this problem. If they get video on demand to work, all the stuff that AB wanted will naturally follow as a corollary. Funny you mention video-on-demand, that is exactly the reason why I'm flying between Atlanta, California and Fort Lauderdale. Seems that a potential customer thinks that there may be a market for it :-). And guess who has to support this puppy when it gets deployed on one of the largest cruise ships in the world? Oh, life is so cruel.....:-) Frighteningly, the world seems to be turning back to centralised computing. (See the chapter in that online WWW book I posted the URL for; see chapters 22 & 23.) This seems a big step back in many ways for the user, IMHO, but a Good Thing[tm] for administrators and large corporation$. Ironically, this computing paradigm is what I have supported (physically, not philosophically) for my entire professional career. It has been good to me, so far...But I prefer to have the power, programs and storage that I need in my own possession (however, there are times when it is nice to have my non-sensitive data stored elsewhere where it gets backed up regularly and to be able to use superior processing power to anything available on a desktop i.e. 12 200MHz R4400's with 2GB of RAM. I don't think that we will ever see a day when we return to the true centralized computer, unless the "Web TV" concept really takes hold (and, even then, I think that those individuals that go the "cheap computer" route are going to be those that will use the computer and the Net for its most elementary needs. "Goll-eee Martha, look-a here! I kin get nekkid-lady pictures here on th' TV an' ah ain't even got ta pay for th' Playboy Channel! An' lookit, here's sumthin' for you! Th' Home Shoppin' Network has got a Web page!! Shoot!!!"). objCD-ROM Drive: Mick Ronson / Only After Dark (his first two LP's, plus bonus material). I love the used bins in California... Craig Shipley Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, _For The Last Time_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2840 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jan 16 03:24:28 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:24:28 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > > > I was one of those-I picked one up at my local Hastings (Book,Music, > > Video). Took it back,and had my really good friend who's there order me > > another. it ccam in, and was the same problem. We figured that the > > entire pressing was wrong-I ordered another-hopefully it'll be right > > this time!! > > Pam > > Still, if you had kept them, in about five years time you could > probably trade them with Hawkwind Kollectors such as myself for at > least the full value of the replacement and possibly more - depending > on how many Hawkwind Kollectors are still around then and how many of > these mis-pressings turn up! Of the folk I've been in touch with > I'd reckon that most have returned their mis-pressed CDs for > replacement. > > However some have either kept them because they don't mind what the > label looks like as long as the music is Pendragon or because > they reckon it's likely to become a rarity. The first lot > might possibly be willing to trade. The latter you can forget about! > > On the other hand writing to Griffin and specifically requesting a > mispressed copy is always a possibility. > > jill Jill: This is true-the problem at the time was fundage-I couldn't afford the cd if it wasn't what I wanted -and unfortunately, I really want the HW!! I wish I could do both-but can't! Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > From: Michel Ellis > I don't know the source of the name, but Blue Laws are/were common in the > Bible Belt states dominated by Baptists. I believe they are a direct result > of Baptists frowning upon frivolousness in general and particularily on > Sundays. No drinkin' and no dancin' allowed ! > > > Careful, there! They have all kinds of Blue Laws in Liberal Mass., and throughout New England, but like elsewhere, they aren't enforced... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 07:34:51 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:34:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL In-Reply-To: <199701152103.QAA05454@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 15, 97 04:03:29 pm Message-ID: > >> is done (in about a month) - Buck feels that this will push back > > the previously-advertised March 1 release date. > > >You mean March 1, 1989, right? ;-) > > Maybe March 1, 1999 . . . ;-) I think Buck also jokingly said last > night that it would be released on March 1st, but they weren't sure > what year... Not April 1 ...? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 07:34:18 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:34:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <9701152253.AA04651@luigi.ses.com> from "Michel Ellis" at Jan 15, 97 04:53:33 pm Message-ID: > I don't know the source of the name, but Blue Laws are/were common in the > Bible Belt states dominated by Baptists. I believe they are a direct result > of Baptists frowning upon frivolousness in general and particularily on > Sundays. No drinkin' and no dancin' allowed ! You're neglecting the influence of the Puritans in Massachusetts! Cheers, Carl ********************************************************************** Carl Edlund Anderson ASNAC Dept, U of Cambridge cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk ********************************************************************** From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 07:53:52 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:53:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: Guido Vacano's message of Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:42:19 -0500 Message-ID: Guido Vacano writes: > > I noticed one > > called "The Fall of Melnibone". I don't have the 'puter configured for > > CD-Rom yet so I haven't had a look but I presume that user-configured > > units will include dragons. > > Where'd you see this (not that I need any more help frittering away my time > :-) )? There was a Civilization II site on the Web called "Heaven" or something like that with around 60 scenarios including maps and new units (with new icons in some cases). As well as Melnibone, I remember that there was a Lord of the Rings one and a Star Wars one. > > If anyone is interested, I'd also like to find or create an Amber > > scenario. > > That would be very cool. I had a brief think about this. A map would probably include Amber, Earth, the Primal Pattern, Tir Na Nogh, Lorraine, and maybe the Courts. There'd have to be some poetic licence since streets aren't really available in Civ though a "Steps" terrain square could probably be created for the scenario, perhaps replacing Tundra. The books leave enough open for creative mapmaking. The difficulty is in creating any kind of maze-like single connection, such as to Ti Na Nogh (since maps are complete terrain rather than connective ones as in Adventure. However the new "Events" macros could maybe set things up so that Tir Na Nogh could only be entered and left every fourth turn or something. Limiting tech is straightforward through pruning the Tech Tree, and adding some kinds of "magic" tech wouldn't be too hard. For example having the "Trumps" tech could allow certain units much greater movement. Things like "Hellhound" units would be fairly straightfrward. If any Civ players want to get together to discuss ideas, let me know. > Guido FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 07:58:08 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:58:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: Ed Gallagher's message of Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:33:30 -0600 Message-ID: Ed Gallagher writes: > I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your > pocket in Texas. > > For quite some time (maybe still) it was (or is) illegal to buy baby > food, diapers and lots of other stuff on Sundays in South Carolina. Part > of a bunch of laws that were refered to as "Blue Laws". Then there's the infamous law in one County where Pi was declaed to be 3 because of a description in the Bible which indicated that this might be its "True" value. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 08:02:28 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:02:28 GMT Subject: Hawkwind rarity for sale. Message-ID: I just had a note from one Neil K.Stocker 355 East 86th St Apt 3C New York NY 10028-4717 Who has the 7" Hall of The Mountain Grill EP for sale. This was a 4 track Promo-Only 1974 release. Mint condition. He's inviting bids at this moment. If you contact him, please let him know I put you on to him - it encourages him to keep sending me offers before advertising them more widely. Of course I already have this gem. FoFP From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 16 09:35:00 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:35:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bike In-Reply-To: <9701152325.aa19667@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, J Strobridge wrote: > obpeeve> a bicycle thief who, not content with ripping off my lights > and a bike horn has now removed the plastic toe-clips from both pedals. > Plastic toe clips....! They were dirty, scratched and broken and it > must have taken him ages to unbolt them. So why?! (No answer > necessary! 8-( ) Your bike seems to have a hell of a time! You obviously haven't taken the best defence measure, which is to imbue it with the spirit of Lemmy by turning it into a silver machine... Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From ellis at SES.COM Thu Jan 16 10:37:50 1997 From: ellis at SES.COM (Michel Ellis) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:37:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: > From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" > Careful, there! They have all kinds of Blue Laws in Liberal Mass., > and throughout New England, but like elsewhere, they aren't > enforced... > theo Hmmm, well I won't be moving east then ! Maybe Hawaii ... :-) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 16 11:29:17 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:29:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind/Pendragon CD Message-ID: >On the other hand writing to Griffin and specifically requesting a >mispressed copy is always a possibility. > >jill > >obpeeve> a bicycle thief who, not content with ripping off my lights >and a bike horn has now removed the plastic toe-clips from both pedals. >Plastic toe clips....! They were dirty, scratched and broken and it >must have taken him ages to unbolt them. So why?! (No answer >necessary! 8-( ) Obviously the thief in question is such an avid Kollector that it is essential for them to possess the dirty plastic toe-clips of anyone who has ever posted to the internet about HW mispressings :-) Martyn From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Jan 16 11:47:06 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:47:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: I wrote; >> I have an idea! Why don't they invite somebody like,let's say, Phil Anselmo >> to make a guest appearance on the album, maybe he isn't a fan but at least >> he (if EB is telling us the truth) appreciates BOC's music. > Troy wrote; > Phil who? > > I writes; Phil Anselmo is the "singer" of Pantera. Imagine him growling "DFTR" :-) >> Cliff Burton was also found of BOC... but there is a slight problem... > > So am I, but it is an act of mercy that *I* don't play on the new BOC >album. :) > ...but that gives me another idea... maybe I could play Trumpet on some of the "Ezekiel" tracks. I don't have to appear in the final mixing... I'll be more than happy if I can get "cred" in the same way as Randy Becker (?) got. :-) But of course, bathroom-singing is good enough for me. :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Jan 16 11:55:00 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:55:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: In a message dated 97-01-15 23:25:56 EST, Andrew wrote: << >Anybody taking bets? ;-) Rather than taking yes/no bets we should set up a pool whereby we can buy blocks of dates and whoever has the range in which it is finally released wins the pool. >> I got dibs on "Early next year". It's the answer Eric always gives... ;-) R. From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jan 16 12:28:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:28:00 -0600 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. Message-ID: > I'm not going to hold it against them for not doing an album a year like > Rush or Sabbath. But think of this, would you be happy if they were > putting out an album a year and the commparative quality was such that > you believed Club Ninja was awesome? [NOTE: No Club Ninja debates > please] Carl> On the other hand, I heard the recent Rush album was pretty >good. Contemporary Sabbath admitedly doesn't do a lot for me. I >prefer not to even _think_ about the possibility of BOC "topping" >_Club Ninja_! ;) No argument on Rush+s T4E. I know Martin didn+t care for it but I like it. theo>And if they really do want to make another album, why in the hell >don't they go the route Al took and simply do it themselves? Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it appears. Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows what has to be done to do this but that+s not to say anybody connected with 3OC has the tools, talent, desire or even a way to make this happen. John>1. New album: There was almost no discussion concerning BOC being >dropped from the label. According to Buck, the recording is done, >but the mixing is not. They will do that after their Northwest swing >is done (in about a month) - Buck feels that this will push back >the previously-advertised March 1 release date. If the mixing is the only thing left to be done lets hope they find someone real good to mix it. If the deal is truly off at least having the masters of the recordings puts them one step closer to doing it themselves. The rest will be up to them. Not relenting on Theo, but being this close really puts them in a corner not to do something. Brian>I continue to have an optimistic outlook on BOC's album rumors. Until they >come right out and say it, I'll continue thinking they're still on the >label. If the deal has indeed fallen through, they should just tape their >recordings on blank 90min tapes and sell them at concerts 'cause if a >"euro-trash" label doesn't want them, who will? That's it! Back to >basics! Sell the new music on cheap tapes and create a new BOC t-shirt >with "Blue Oyster Cult" in iron-on fuzzy letters, and the album art on the >back done in fabric crayon. Play the "starving artist" angle! :P O.K. Brian you can be the new manager and Schenk can report to you. 8^). If they did go tBS route and do this mail order or concert only I wonder what the break-even point is to cover the cost? If they announced this thing was only available at shows it could increase attendance. Heck why not, oh I forgot ya gotta mix it first. Seriously I+m struggling to find a bright side to any of these rumors speculation, whatever...OK here+s one, they got a package of songs to demo as they try to re-sell themselves to someone who can put this thing out and distribute it. I+ll be patient and wait. If we get it fine, if not business as usual. lil ab ***************************************** Andy Wharhol+s modern man builds a castle in the air The deck is stacked but his house of cards grows as high as the market will bear It won+t take much to make his ship of dreams come crashing to the ground You just wait for the wheel of fate to turn and the wind of the wolf is gonna blow it all down **************************************** From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Jan 16 12:24:47 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:24:47 -0500 Subject: HW: NTSC format Video Question In-Reply-To: <199701090654.BAA23069@wcic.org> Message-ID: In <199701090654.BAA23069 at wcic.org>, on 01/09/97 at 01:54 AM, John Majka said: >Hello Hawkfans: >Does anyone know whether the more recent videos from Visionary (such as >Chaos, Love in Space etc.) are available in the American NTSC format? I >know of a store here which does conversions, but the video quality is >significantly reduced thereby. If NTSC is directly available from >Visionary, it would be a big plus. Perhaps the company has an email >address? I bought a few from cdnow.com in NTSC format. Love in Space was the last one (I love it). Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Thu Jan 16 12:43:21 1997 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:43:21 -0500 Subject: new albums Message-ID: howdy my hw mailbox is out of control.. anyway, i'm thinking of getting one of the new hw cd's, any suggestions? i'm thinking of either "its the business.." or "alienn4" - speaking of which, is that one their new one? i liked 'electric teepee'.. wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Jan 16 12:14:25 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:14:25 -0700 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply Message-ID: lil AB wrote: Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it appears. Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows what has to be done to do this but that+s not to say anybody connected with 3OC has the tools, talent, desire or even a way to make this happen. >>>>>>>>> If 3OC don't have the tools, talent or desire....what are we waiting for? Anther CN? Maybe Club Beverly Hills Ninja....It could be a soundtrack...... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Jan 16 12:56:27 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:56:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <9701152133.AA15217@info1.harper.cc.il.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Ed Gallagher wrote: > I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your > pocket in Texas. Actually, that is not quite right. Having been required to take a Texas Government class as part of my core curriculum (along with all those other darn history and humanities courses), I heard about a similar law from which the above bastardization emerged. Texas has the second most wordy constitution in the Union - about 200 amendments, last time I checked. As a result of the relative ease with which our state congress (and the general population) can amend the constitution, there are many laws therein that are completely ludicrous. The constitutional law that Ed's statement reminded me of is the following: it is unconstitutional (illegal) for anyone to carry a concealed set of wire-cutters in a certain county in Texas. Why your statement reminded me of that one I'm not sure... probably something to do with the word "pocket". Hmmm... Damon From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jan 16 10:30:15 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:30:15 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: Michel Ellis wrote: [ Blue Laws ] > I don't know the source of the name, but Blue Laws are/were common in the > Bible Belt states dominated by Baptists. I believe they are a direct result And what is 'blue' in a 'blue movie'? Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 16 12:13:48 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:13:48 EDT Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > theo>And if they really do want to make another album, why in the hell > >don't they go the route Al took and simply do it themselves? > > Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it appears. > Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows what has to be done > to do this but that+s not to say anybody connected with 3OC has the > tools, talent, desire or even a way to make this happen. Agreed. Al's been putting his ass on the line doing things his own way, and I'm sure he's not getting rich at it. Probably losing money. But he at least has the vision to see beyond a narrow horizon, gambling on the fans' good will, and demonstrating faith in his group and its material. I suspect that he's gambling on maintaining a fan base by keeping new material coming out and networking with a core group of fans that's likely expanding. This is risky, and requires great patience, it's true. But now, is Al starving? I think not. Is he happy? Obviously. Are we interested? You bet. If you ask me, Al's right on the mark here. Can we expect 3OC to take the same crap shoot? No, and it's not really fair to do so, but it's obvious that they're just reading water. I say, why not give it a shot? My god, these guys are all pros, probably at least one of them has a home studio that would yield a decent record. Jeez, do something, even if it's wrong! theo From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Thu Jan 16 13:14:14 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:14:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: > Rather than taking yes/no bets we should set up a pool whereby we can > buy blocks of dates and whoever has the range in which it is finally > released wins the pool. >> I cast my vote for "Sometime in the future" From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Thu Jan 16 14:04:50 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:04:50 CST Subject: cheap hw remasters (or whatever that subject was) Message-ID: craigs at pyramid.com said: ~ If you are looking for the remastered versions of the first five HW CD's, contact Compact Disk ~ Warehouse in the greater SF area (Sunnyvale 408-730-0991, Newark 510-796-1013). They ~ are selling all of their remastered versions for $19.99. Yes, that includes the 2-CD set of ~ SPACE RITUAL (which I have seen going for as much as US$57.00. I do not know if they do ~ mail-order and, I'm sorry, but I cannot obtain any copies for anyone. They don't do mailorder ;-( Allan. ObHate: MS OpenMail. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Allan T. Grohe, Jr. agrohe at igate.sprint.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jan 16 16:06:54 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:06:54 +0100 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: hi, is there someone who's interested in help me putting together a cassette discography for Hawkwind? guess it's a quite a tuff job to get it completed, as the cassette tapes has by default been handled in a lower division than LP and CD. however I'm sure we can do better than the list below: (as there's a few obvious black holes...) best - \\joe ------------------------------------------------------------------- X In Search Of Space 1989/5 (EMI Fame TC-FA 3192 - UK) Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1985/10 (EMI FA 4131331 - UK) Hawklords: 25 Years On 1982/8 (Charisma CHCMC 10 - UK) PXR5 1984/3 (Charisma CHCMC 25 - UK) Weird 101 1980 (Weird 101 - UK) Weird 102 1980 (Weird 102 - UK) Weird 103 1980 (Weird 103 - UK) Repeat Performance 1980/9 (Charisma BGC 002 - UK) 'Dream of Isis' is bonus track Levitation 1980/11 (Bronze BRONC 530 - UK) Weird 104 1981 (Weird 104 - UK) Weird 105 1981/9 (Weird 105 - UK) 1981/10 (Weird 105 - UK) First version withdrawn, reissue with different track selections Sonic Attack 198? (747 Aber - Sau) Bootleg including 'Who's Gonna Win the War?' Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 1981 (CND - UK?) Weird 106 1982/10 (Weird 106 - UK) Weird 107 1982/10 (Weird 107 - UK) QS&C / PXR5 1983 (Charisma CASMC 110 - UK) Weird 108 1983/11 (Weird 108 - UK) Friends & Relations Vol. 3 1985/4 (Flicknife SHARP C1024 - UK) 1985/4 (Flicknife SHARP C2024 - UK) C1024 with Vol 3 on side A, and Vol 1 on side B, C2024 with Vol 3 on side A, and Vol 2 on side B, Hawkfan 12 1987? (Hawkfan - UK) Sticker. Different tracklist with 'Countdown' replaced by 'Hawkfan 12' The Hawkwind Collection 1986/10 (Castle CCSMC 148 - UK) Independent Days, Vol. 2 1986/11 (Flicknife SHARP 036C - UK) Different cover art. Extra track is 'Motorhead' and 'Hurry on Sundown' Live Chronicles 1992/2 (Castle CCSMC 321 - UK) Out And Intake 1987/4 (Flicknife SHARP 040C - UK) The Hawkwind Collection 1987 (EMI TCTP 22 - NZe) Twin pack cassettes - "Roadhawks" and "Hall of the Mountain Grill" The Xenon Codex 1988/4 (GWR GWTC 26 - UK) 1989 (Enigma 7-75407-4 - US) Slightly different sleeve layout Levitation / Live '79 198? (747 Aber - Sau) Bootleg cassette. Omits 2 tracks each of the albums Night of the Hawk 1989/4 (AVM/Powerhouse - UK) Extra track is 'Ejection' Metal Classics #2: Best of HW 1990 (Capitol 4XLL 57286 - US) Space Bandits 1990 (GWR/Road Racer RRC 9347 - US) Palace Springs 1991/6 (Road Racer RRC 9303 - US) Slightly different sleeve Solstice Remixes EP 1993/6 (4Real 4R1CS - UK) The Best of F&R 1994/10 (Emporio EMPRMC547 - UK) The Best of Hawkwind 1994/2 (Castle MAT MC 293 - UK) The Business Trip 1994/9 (EBS EBSMC 111 - UK) and not to be forgotten, the Hawkwind Covers All I Am a Clone, I Am Not Alone 1996/6 (BOC-l - UK/US) Shadows of the Hawk 1996/6 (BOC-l - UK/US) Charged with Cosmic Energy 1996/6 (BOC-l - UK/US) Designed to Rob You of your 1996/6 (BOC-l - UK/US) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 16 16:24:38 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:24:38 -0500 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one hell of a list Martyn From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 16 11:45:44 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:45:44 -0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: > Michel Ellis wrote: > [ Blue Laws ] > > I don't know the source of the name, but Blue Laws are/were common in the > > Bible Belt states dominated by Baptists. I believe they are a direct result > > And what is 'blue' in a 'blue movie'? > one that my be more closely related is the term blue highway which is usually a meandering back road. i think it most likely means "obscure". rj From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Jan 16 16:39:45 1997 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:39:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <9701152253.AA04651@luigi.ses.com> from "Michel Ellis" at Jan 15, 97 04:53:33 pm Message-ID: > > > From: Ed Gallagher > > > I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your > > pocket in Texas. > > > Hmm, considering that an ice cream cone usually wouldn't last very long > in your pocket - especially in the summer - this sounds like a tall tale > to me. I have to admit that I haerd it from Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show durring one of those "True but really silly" things he used to do. -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 16 22:02:47 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:02:47 +1000 Subject: new albums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 16 Jan 97 at 12:43, Antony & Debbie wrote: > howdy Gidday ;^) > my hw mailbox is out of control.. anyway, i'm thinking of getting > one of the new hw cd's, any suggestions? i'm thinking of either > "its the business.." or "alienn4" - speaking of which, is that > one their new one? i liked 'electric teepee'.. If you want a "new" one, forget (for now) "It's the business ..". My suggested order to get recent releases is "The Business Trip", then "Alien 4", then "Love in Space" .... PAul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Jan 16 23:43:45 1997 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:43:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: At 12:58 PM 1/16/97 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >Ed Gallagher writes: > >> I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your >> pocket in Texas. >> >> For quite some time (maybe still) it was (or is) illegal to buy baby >> food, diapers and lots of other stuff on Sundays in South Carolina. Part >> of a bunch of laws that were refered to as "Blue Laws". > >Then there's the infamous law in one County where Pi was declaed to be 3 >because of a description in the Bible which indicated that this might be >its "True" value. That's nothing. The state legislature of Indiana (not just a county, the whole damn state) passed a law declaring the value of Pi to be "4". Isaac Asimov listed this in an article where he described the greatest aproximations of Pi in the pre-computer era. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jan 17 00:02:14 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:02:14 +1100 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. In-Reply-To: <14A8658294E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > Agreed. Al's been putting his ass on the line doing things his own > way, and I'm sure he's not getting rich at it. Probably losing > money. But he at least has the vision to see beyond a narrow > horizon, gambling on the fans' good will, and demonstrating faith in > his group and its material. I suspect that he's gambling on > maintaining a fan base by keeping new material coming out and > networking with a core group of fans that's likely expanding. This > is risky, and requires great patience, it's true. But now, is Al > starving? I think not. Is he happy? Obviously. Are we interested? > You bet. If you ask me, Al's right on the mark here. I couldn't agree more with this statement re: tBS. Theo is right on here. > Can we expect > 3OC to take the same crap shoot? No, and it's not really fair to do > so, but it's obvious that they're just reading water. I say, why not > give it a shot? My god, these guys are all pros, probably at least > one of them has a home studio that would yield a decent record. > Jeez, do something, even if it's wrong! > A-MEN preacher! I would buy outtakes of grace at BD's dinner table. Heck, the hardcore BOC fans are ready and willing to mail order or whatever. They do have talent. I doesn't take much for any company to see that. As rock vets, I would go so far as to say that they would not have too much trouble getting signed, even on a small label, and esp. if they already have a recorded album. Hey! Why not Cellsum records!! :) (Only jokin') feeling cheeky, Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Jan 16 23:52:59 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:52:59 +1100 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > lil AB wrote: > Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it > appears. Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows > what has to be done to do this but that+s not to say anybody > connected with 3OC has the tools, talent, desire or even a way to > make this happen. > >>>>>>>>> > If 3OC don't have the tools, talent or desire....what are we waiting > for? Anther CN? Maybe Club Beverly Hills Ninja....It could be a > soundtrack...... > I sure as hell hope that the boys in BOC aren't as negative as some of their fans. Nothing would ever get done. If they don't kill their careers then some fans sure will. Give 'em a break. Troy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 17 00:47:54 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:47:54 +0100 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: At 16:24 1997-01-16 -0500, you wrote: > What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one >hell of a list Bernhard does already maintain such hell of a list... >Martyn \\joe From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 17 03:49:20 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:49:20 -0500 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> If 3OC don't have the tools, talent or desire....what are we waiting >> for? Anther CN? Maybe Club Beverly Hills Ninja....It could be a >> soundtrack...... >> > > I sure as hell hope that the boys in BOC aren't as negative as some of >their fans. Nothing would ever get done. > If they don't kill their careers then some fans sure will. > > Give 'em a break. > > Troy gotta agree with that....and people wonder why Buck and Eric stick to AOL..... glad to hear a little break in the negativity..... Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 04:23:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:23:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <9701152253.AA04651@luigi.ses.com> Message-ID: >> From: Ed Gallagher > >> I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your >> pocket in Texas. >> That's not silly at all. In fact, the penalties are too soft. I've seen your once fine nation go to the dogs because of scoff-laws carrying ice cream in their pockets without a thought for anyone else. Don't these people have any consideration of the physical risks to themselves and others, let alone the long term psychological damage and/or domestic breakdown they invite. What about the children? I'd throw away the goddam key. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 04:46:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:46:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <32DE4987.1426@pi.net> Message-ID: In message <32DE4987.1426 at pi.net>, Jerry writes >And what is 'blue' in a 'blue movie'? > >Jerry Probably all blue and shivery on account of not wearing a nice warm pullover, erm, or something.. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 04:49:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:49:51 +0000 Subject: new albums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Antony & Debbie writes >howdy > >my hw mailbox is out of control.. anyway, i'm thinking of getting >one of the new hw cd's, any suggestions? i'm thinking of either >"its the business.." or "alienn4" - speaking of which, is that >one their new one? i liked 'electric teepee'.. > >wal > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' >PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony > > "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher >------------------------------------------------------------------------ If it's just out of those two, get Alien 4. "It's the business" is quite low down on most fans' fave list. Have you got "Xenon Codex"......? -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jan 17 06:39:41 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:39:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: >>> From: Ed Gallagher >> >>> I remember hearing that it's illegal to cary an ice cream cone in your >>> pocket in Texas. >>> > >That's not silly at all. In fact, the penalties are too soft. I've seen >your once fine nation go to the dogs because of scoff-laws carrying ice >cream in their pockets without a thought for anyone else. Don't these >people have any consideration of the physical risks to themselves and >others, let alone the long term psychological damage and/or domestic >breakdown they invite. What about the children? > >I'd throw away the goddam key. >-- >Jon Browne > > ...maybe we should make that kind of laws here in Europe too. There are serious accidents with ice-creams and children involved everyday in Sweden. I'll guess that's the the case in UK too. Maybe the EU can do something about the problem. This is my last mail before I'll "SET NO MAIL" for a month... bye bye guys -Daniel Wikdahl "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 17 04:43:02 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:43:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Moorcock/Shirley In-Reply-To: <9701161253.aa06266@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9701161253.aa06266 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >There was a Civilization II site on the Web called "Heaven" or something >like that with around 60 scenarios including maps and new units (with >new icons in some cases). As well as Melnibone, I remember that there >was a Lord of the Rings one and a Star Wars one. Do you have the URL? > >If any Civ players want to get together to discuss ideas, let me know. just when I was weening myself off CIV-II! Mind you, only by playing more Command & Conquer. -- Jon Browne From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 06:38:07 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 07:38:07 EDT Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > >> If 3OC don't have the tools, talent or desire....what are we waiting > >> for? Anther CN? Maybe Club Beverly Hills Ninja....It could be a > >> soundtrack...... > >> > > > > I sure as hell hope that the boys in BOC aren't as negative as some of > >their fans. Nothing would ever get done. > > If they don't kill their careers then some fans sure will. > > > > Give 'em a break. > > > > Troy > > gotta agree with that....and people wonder why Buck and Eric stick to AOL..... > glad to hear a little break in the negativity..... > > Ted Alger I think waiting ten years between albums is break enough. Just how much slack are we supposed to cut these guys?. Maybe they prefer AOL for it's fawning idolatry. At least BOC-L isn't afraid to address painful issues. And do you really think we'd be this upset over the long wait between records if we weren't so damn anxious for 3OC to finally put out the great recording we all know they are capable of? Just 'cause these guys are our heroes doesn't mean that everything they do [or don't do!] is great... theo From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 07:42:12 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:42:12 GMT Subject: HW: cassetts Message-ID: Hi I don't know much about hawkwind tapes. But I do have the sonic attack album from 1981, The best and the rest of Hawkwind and Masters of the universe on casette. I also have roadhawks from around 1983/4 since it has a bar code on it. I don't think they were listed. Can any one tell me what hawkwind played on there last tour? I havn't magned to do and see them jet, but I'm hopeing to put that right next septemeber. Also is the Love in space CD the same recorded sound as the video and does any one know which parts of the video came from where? Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 08:46:43 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:46:43 +0000 Subject: new albums In-Reply-To: from "Antony & Debbie" at Jan 16, 97 12:43:21 pm Message-ID: > my hw mailbox is out of control.. anyway, i'm thinking of getting > one of the new hw cd's, any suggestions? i'm thinking of either > "its the business.." or "alienn4" - speaking of which, is that > one their new one? i liked 'electric teepee'.. _Alien 4_ over _IITBOTFTBD_ for sure! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 08:48:19 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:48:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA In-Reply-To: <9701161537.AA05134@luigi.ses.com> from "Michel Ellis" at Jan 16, 97 09:37:50 am Message-ID: > Careful, there! They have all kinds of Blue Laws in Liberal Mass., > and throughout New England, but like elsewhere, they aren't > enforced... Not necessarily true. Some of them are still enforced. The no alcohol on Sunday or after 11pm except in bars/restaurants comes to mind ... Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 17 10:00:56 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:00:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: Some of my thoughts on recent BOC-L discussions (which I have been a willing participant as well): We here on BOC-L have pretty much pissed and moaned (and I count myself in this group) about BOC promising a new album for years and failing to deliver. Well, presumably a new album is going to come out soon. Is it definite? No. But, from everything I can see, this band is closer to getting an album (of new material) out, *Bad Channels* and *Imaginos* not withstanding, than at any point in their last 10 years. While only time will tell if the album actually does get released, I do think we ought to cut the band *a little* slack for a little while, at least until we see whether or not they can release the new material as promised. Sure, we've all hear the promises of the past, but I also think we didn't hear any substantial evidence of them doing anything in the past. At least now we have reports that all the songs are recorded - 7 of the 10 songs (and Bolle will report the titles shortly - he has discussed them a bit with me and I know the other 3 titles, but am not telling at this time) have been played live, so we at least know they exist. The band presumably has a deal, and is working on distribution. We can be somewhat cynical about it, but hey, they said March 1st, and it's not, so we ought to *at least* wait until then before we bash 'em too hard based on their past history. I've heard these claims about BOC-L being not the fawning fans that we think AOL folks are, and after spending some time on AOL, I think it is true that the AOL folks tend to be more positive. Sure, Eric and Buck being over there is part of the reason, but still, it isn't exactly the "fawning" that some have claimed it to be. There are some very insightful BOC fans on AOL. And, which do you think is a better motivator for the band: fans who bitch about what's wrong with BOC, or fans who praise the band for what they've done? This is all not meant to start an "us vs. them" thing here (again). John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jan 17 10:26:18 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:26:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: In a message dated 97-01-17 10:02:33 EST, John wrote: << I've heard these claims about BOC-L being not the fawning fans that we think AOL folks are, and after spending some time on AOL, I think it is true that the AOL folks tend to be more positive. Sure, Eric and Buck being over there is part of the reason, but still, it isn't exactly the "fawning" that some have claimed it to be. There are some very insightful BOC fans on AOL. And, which do you think is a better motivator for the band: fans who bitch about what's wrong with BOC, or fans who praise the band for what they've done? This is all not meant to start an "us vs. them" thing here (again). >> I've been on AOL for a little over 2 years and BOC-L for 2 years. One thing that's been obvious is the differing attitudes on both services. You know, when you're raising children, you can praise them for what they do right or berate them for what they do wrong. Which child will be a better child? The one that's been kicked all the time will be sullen and angry. This doesn't mean that you can't discipline and criticize the child. However, you want the child to feel positive about themselves. Eric is a positive person. It's easy to see why he doesn't want to be a part of BOC-L. And if I'm fawning, well, fine. R. From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Fri Jan 17 11:00:09 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:00:09 EST Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. Message-ID: Possibly they aren't interested in a small album deal and won't put good effort to waste on a project for which the outcome will be a collectors item for the current fan base? Maybe they just want to "do it right or not at all". RR re. blue laws. One reason they're in place is to protect local merchants. Prohibiting Sunday shopping allows local mom n pop shops to close for one day a week without the threat of losing sales to major retailers and malls. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 09:59:48 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:59:48 EDT Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > I've heard these claims about BOC-L being not the fawning fans that we > think AOL folks are, and after spending some time on AOL, I think it is > true that the AOL folks tend to be more positive. Sure, Eric and Buck > being over there is part of the reason, but still, it isn't exactly > the "fawning" that some have claimed it to be. There are some very > insightful BOC fans on AOL. And, which do you think is a better motivator > for the band: fans who bitch about what's wrong with BOC, or fans who > praise the band for what they've done? This is all not meant to start > an "us vs. them" thing here (again). > > John Another thing that adds fuel to the fire is the whole Al vs. EB&BD thing. This isn't fair either. But I think we can agree that Al is a lot more receptive to criticism, and that seems to give BOC-L folks [I'm guilty] the impression that we're somehow more enlightened because our grousing is more tolerated and even expected... theo From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Jan 17 11:10:51 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:10:51 -0700 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> Troy Harris 01/16/97 09:52pm >>> On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > lil AB wrote: > Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it > appears. Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows > what has to be done to do this but that+s not to say anybody > connected with 3OC has the tools, talent, desire or even a way to > make this happen. > >>>>>>>>> > If 3OC don't have the tools, talent or desire....what are we waiting > for? Anther CN? Maybe Club Beverly Hills Ninja....It could be a > soundtrack...... > I sure as hell hope that the boys in BOC aren't as negative as some of their fans. Nothing would ever get done. If they don't kill their careers then some fans sure will. Give 'em a break. Troy >>>>>>>>>>> If my opinion made a rat's ass of a difference they would have realeased a kick ass album every other year for the past ten years. I hope they have success. I"m sure they will have success "early next year". Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jan 16 23:20:11 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:20:11 -0800 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: > > >You mean March 1, 1989, right? ;-) > > Maybe March 1, 1999 . . . ;-) I think Buck also jokingly said last > > night that it would be released on March 1st, but they weren't sure > > what year... > Not April 1 ...? > Carl Ha, that was a good one last year! I don't know who started it, but some of us were fooled... Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From stayer at PI.NET Thu Jan 16 23:35:08 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:35:08 -0800 Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: I recently got a tape including a song by Patti Smith - 'Revenge Of Vera Gemini'. It was credited to be recorded at the NY Palladium, but no date. I din't understand the introduction, but afterwards she yells 'Blue Oyster Cult!'. Also, a guy is singing, with Patti doing the female parts as on BOC's version. Does anyone know when this was recorded and who is singing / playing with her? Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 12:39:21 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:39:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Bike In-Reply-To: Jon Jarrett's message of Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:35:00 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > Your bike seems to have a hell of a time! You obviously haven't > taken the best defence measure, which is to imbue it with the spirit of > Lemmy by turning it into a silver machine... Heh. I like it. Paint it silver, set controls for the heart of the sun, stand back and watch... 8-) oh yes! I've thought about one of those exploding purple dye canisters - the type you protect bank notes with in the event of a robbery. Alternatively someone suggested rigging up a small electrical generator and wiring up the frame. Can you tell I'm annoyed? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 17 12:50:53 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:50:53 GMT Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one > hell of a list Was this the original idea? There is already a complete gig list (or as near as possible) published in Ron Godwin's book and there are also (not in his book though) some fairly complete track listings for these gigs where they are known as well as personnel lists. They actually make fascinating historical reading in their own right and document the band's career in a detail unmatched in any other format. It might be worthwhile collecting all this info together some day perhaps? jill obwierd> watching someone microwave a cheque last night.... Don't ask! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 12:10:58 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:10:58 EDT Subject: Imaginos Message-ID: Wasn't someone recently bemoaning the unavailability of Imaginos? Just scored a near mint vinyl copy for 3 bucks... theo From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jan 17 13:18:23 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:18:23 +0100 Subject: HW: cassetts (answer) Message-ID: At 12:42 17.01.97 GMT, you wrote: >Can any one tell me what hawkwind played on there last tour? Here it goes: 02.11.1995, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 110/9 intro / abducted / death trap / wastelands / iron dream / photo encounter / blue skin / golden void / sputnik stan / robot / alien i am / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / lord of light / elfin / silver machine / welcome / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba 22.12.1995, LONDON, FORUM, 100/8 intro / psi power / blue skin / golden void / sputnik stan / robot / alien i am / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / silver machine / welcome / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / death trap / wastelands / iron dream 21.06.1996, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 110/8 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent / abducted 27.07.1996, LANGTREE, FESTIVAL, 110/7 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 18.08.1996, CUNLHAT, FESTIVAL, 40/7 jam / master of the universe / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / angels of death / love in space / aerospaceage inferno 08.09.1996, ROTTERDAM, NIGHTTOWN, 85/9 blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / iron dream / kapal / instrumental / brainstorm / silver machine / welcome 09.11.1996, ATHEN, RODON CLUB, 90/8 assault & battery / golden void / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / needle gun / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / uncle sam?s on mars / iron dream / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm >Also is the Love in space CD the same recorded sound as the video and does any >one know which parts of the video came from where? It's the same one. Recorded in Bristol, Colston Hall, 19.10.1995 Bernhard From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 17 13:16:18 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:16:18 -0500 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: jill writes >There is already a complete gig list (or as near as possible) published >in Ron Godwin's book and there are also (not in his book though) some >fairly complete track listings for these gigs where they are known as >well as personnel lists. They actually make fascinating historical >reading in their own right and document the band's career in a detail >unmatched in any other format. Yes indeed. Also Bernard has an extensive listing of all-things Hawkwind including gigs. I believe that Mike Holmes has an extensive kollection of tapes..... >It might be worthwhile collecting all this info together some day >perhaps? >jill > Martyn Obbeer> Pete's Wicked Ale on draught From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Fri Jan 17 13:31:35 1997 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:31:35 EST Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: > > I recently got a tape including a song by Patti Smith - 'Revenge Of Vera > Gemini'. It was credited to be recorded at the NY Palladium, but no date. > I din't understand the introduction, but afterwards she yells 'Blue > Oyster Cult!'. Also, a guy is singing, with Patti doing the female parts > as on BOC's version. > Does anyone know when this was recorded and who is singing / playing with > her? > This might be it. BOC played the Palladium w/Todd Rundgren,David JOhansen,Patti Smith in a benefit for the indochina boat people refugees in winter 1979. I'm pretty sure. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 17 13:46:31 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:46:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: >Another thing that adds fuel to the fire is the whole Al vs. EB&BD thing. This isn't fair either. You're right, but so far from what I've seen, Al gets ALOT more respect from AOL than 30C gets from BOC-L. Some of that is no doubt due to the fact that the folks on AOL recognize Al's musical talent and the fact that he's released 3 albums in the last 4 years to BOC's none (compilations not withstanding). I have seen a few negative things about Al by fans who perhaps didn't know his side of things. I've been on the last 2 AOL chats as has Albert, and there were plenty of good things said to/about him by the BOC fans there. Interesting side-note to the last AOL chat -- as I mentioned, Buck and Albert shared a bit of dialouge on the chat and reminisced about some old times. Al asked something to the effect of why BOC didn't play in New York City these days. Buck said something about "the band" (funny, there was at least 1 or 2 times when Buck referred to BOC as "the band", as he were somehow detached from it - but I digress) not wanting to play there. Al told Buck he could get them gigs there. After Al and Buck left the chat, someone commented (seemingly innocently enough) that it sounded like Al really still wanted to be playing with BOC. Billy Hilfiger responded something to the effect of, "Yeah, well it sounds like you want to go up Buck's a**". I think Billy may have over-reacted a bit there - but it's one of those pitfalls of on-line conversation where you can mis-interpret the true meaning of what a person types... BTW, I have another "theory" on the "critical" attitude of BOC. I think that alot of the people on this list, and this is probably especially true for the "old timers", also happen to like bands that have in recent years continued to give them new music to listen to. Not being a Hawkwind fan myself, I can't speak for them, but it seems that Hawkwind has produced a fair amount of new material in recent years. Of course, I've already mentioned the Brain Surgeons. It's somewhat frustrating for this type of person to continue to be a fan of a band that doesn't produce alot of new stuff (and the empty promises don't help) while their other favorite bands continue to crank out new stuff to listen to. Alot of the folks on BOC-L seem to not be of the type to want to spend alot of their time reminiscing about seeing BOC back in the 70's and 80's - but want BOC to give them a reason to continue to support them in the 90's. Anyway, I've rambled on enough (as usual)... John From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 17 13:47:07 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:47:07 -0600 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: J Strobridge "Re: HW: cassettes?" (Jan 17, 5:50pm) Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Martyn White writes: > > > What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one > > hell of a list > > > Was this the original idea? > > There is already a complete gig list (or as near as possible) published > in Ron Godwin's book and there are also (not in his book though) some > fairly complete track listings for these gigs where they are known as > well as personnel lists. They actually make fascinating historical > reading in their own right and document the band's career in a detail > unmatched in any other format. > > It might be worthwhile collecting all this info together some day > perhaps? I'm actually working on this. I now have an ISP where I can put up a web page (my normal e-mail access is through my work account, but we can't have external web pages here). I'm (slowly, very slowly) putting together a Hawkwind site that will concentrate on band trivia. There are already Hawkwind sites out there that have the normal information, so I want to do something a little different. I plan to have gig lists, track lists, personnel lists, statistics about how often songs have been played live, interviews, etc. I have been collecting random bits of information from boc-l and elsewhere for years, I just need to organize it. I was hoping to get it all together soon, but it doesn't look like that will happen. I figure the best way to do this now is to put together seedlings of a site and then add to it bit by bit. If only I could become independently wealthy so I didn't have to work anymore, this just wouldn't be a problem. :-) Frank ObWindChillFactorRightNow: -37F and dropping -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I named the program "more". This was a daring move at the time, since it was such a long name for a UNIX command, and was also a real English word. (Dan Halbert, in comp.society.folklore) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 17 13:51:43 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:51:43 -0500 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: Frank wrote: >J Strobridge wrote: >> Martyn White writes: >> >> > What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one >> > hell of a list >> >> >> Was this the original idea? >> >> There is already a complete gig list (or as near as possible) published >> in Ron Godwin's book and there are also (not in his book though) some >> fairly complete track listings for these gigs where they are known as >> well as personnel lists. They actually make fascinating historical >> reading in their own right and document the band's career in a detail >> unmatched in any other format. >> >> It might be worthwhile collecting all this info together some day >> perhaps? > >I'm actually working on this. I now have an ISP where I can put up a >web page (my normal e-mail access is through my work account, but we >can't have external web pages here). I'm (slowly, very slowly) >putting together a Hawkwind site that will concentrate on band >trivia. There are already Hawkwind sites out there that have the >normal information, so I want to do something a little different. I Sounds great. I have lots of HW trivia posts saved in my $HOME/mbox if you want them. Just don't put up any lyrics :-) >If only I could become independently wealthy so I didn't have to work >anymore, this just wouldn't be a problem. :-) Have you thought of applying for a federal grant to work full time on Hawkwind trivia :-) >Frank Martyn >ObWindChillFactorRightNow: -37F and dropping I hear its -70F in Minnesota! -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I named the program "more". This was a daring move at the time, since it was such a long name for a UNIX command, and was also a real English word. (Dan Halbert, in comp.society.folklore) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 17 11:18:16 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:18:16 UT Subject: new albums Message-ID: Or alternatively, you might consider getting Alan Davey's _Captured Rotation_ instead of any of the Hawkwind albums... - Andy From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 17 14:15:00 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:15:00 -0600 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Martyn White "Re: HW: cassettes?" (Jan 17, 1:51pm) Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > Frank wrote: > >I'm actually working on this. I now have an ISP where I can put up a > >web page (my normal e-mail access is through my work account, but we > >can't have external web pages here). I'm (slowly, very slowly) > >putting together a Hawkwind site that will concentrate on band > >trivia. There are already Hawkwind sites out there that have the > >normal information, so I want to do something a little different. I > > Sounds great. I have lots of HW trivia posts saved in my > $HOME/mbox if you want them. Just don't put up any lyrics :-) Thanks. I'd like to get in touch with you when I have put some order in the chaos that is my current (internal) site. In my original version of the site, I had a section of lyrics, put I would prefer it if I didn't get any angry calls from the powers that be telling me to take stuff off my web site. I'm sort of worried about the interviews I have stored, too. I'd like to put them all online, but I could live without getting slapped with a copyright suit. Does anyone know where I can get some plain English explanations of what I could put online with proper attributions and what I can't? > >If only I could become independently wealthy so I didn't have to work > >anymore, this just wouldn't be a problem. :-) > > Have you thought of applying for a federal grant to work > full time on Hawkwind trivia :-) I can just see the headline now: "Government Grant Given to Encourage the Following of Foreign, Long-Haired, Drug-Crazed, Space Freaks." I'm sure that would go over just peachy with Newt and the boys! :-) Frank ObCD: Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Well, perhaps some pleasant word-game? Make a sentence out of the following words: "Face... sodding... your... shut". -- Melchett and Edmund : Chains From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 17 13:30:26 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:30:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Another thing that adds fuel to the fire is the whole Al vs. EB&BD > thing. This isn't fair either. > > You're right, but so far from what I've seen, Al gets ALOT more > respect from AOL than 30C gets from BOC-L. Some of that is no doubt That's too bad. But I think it's more the natures of the two beasts: AOL being generally more sympathetic overall and BOC-L being more critical overall. And, as I've said before, the BOC-L folks might change their tune quite a bit when they get a new disc to devour... > > Interesting side-note to the last AOL chat -- as I mentioned, Buck and > Albert shared a bit of dialouge on the chat and reminisced about some > old times. Al asked something to the effect of why BOC didn't play in > New York City these days. Buck said something about "the band" (funny, > there was at least 1 or 2 times when Buck referred to BOC as "the > band", as he were somehow detached from it - but I digress) not wanting > to play there. Al told Buck he could get them gigs there. After Al Kind of ironic, as the old band introductions always emphasized BOC being "from New York City!" Long Island just doesn't have the same impact, does it? > and Buck left the chat, someone commented (seemingly innocently > enough) that it sounded like Al really still wanted to be playing > with BOC. Billy Hilfiger responded something to the effect of, "Yeah, > well it sounds like you want to go up Buck's a**". I think Billy > may have over-reacted a bit there - but it's one of those pitfalls of > on-line conversation where you can mis-interpret the true meaning of > what a person types... > I doubt that Al does secretly want to be back, you can never tell, though it's obvious that a lot of us fans would love having Al back in BOC. Their meteoric dropp-off coinciding with Al's departure from the group. Even though Billy shouldn't have said what he did, you can imagine how all this speculation must grate on the members of tBS. I suspect that comments like that get made by BOC fans all the time. And Billy, dude, don't hate Buck because he's beautiful! No mis-interpretation of BH's comments! > BTW, I have another "theory" on the "critical" attitude of BOC. I > think that alot of the people on this list, and this is probably > especially true for the "old timers", also happen to like bands that > have in recent years continued to give them new music to listen to. > Not being a Hawkwind fan myself, I can't speak for them, but it seems > that Hawkwind has produced a fair amount of new material in recent > years. Of course, I've already mentioned the Brain Surgeons. It's > somewhat frustrating for this type of person to continue to be a fan > of a band that doesn't produce alot of new stuff (and the empty > promises don't help) while their other favorite bands continue to > crank out new stuff to listen to. Alot of the folks on BOC-L seem > to not be of the type to want to spend alot of their time reminiscing > about seeing BOC back in the 70's and 80's - but want BOC to give them > a reason to continue to support them in the 90's. > I think you've made the point I've been circling around all day without hitting squarely. I do like to indulge in nostalgia, 'cause it reminds me of the days BOC was playing packed football stadiums instead of bars. Remember, a fair number on BOC-L were toddlers in the 70s, when BOC was putting out records regularly and playing important gigs. They don't have much of a legacy to remember, and their frustration is keen. Nostalgia only goes so far. After a while, you want some new experiences... theo > Anyway, I've rambled on enough (as usual)... > > John > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 17 15:08:41 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:08:41 +0100 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: At 17:50 1997-01-17 GMT, you wrote: >Martyn White writes: > >> What about if we included boots, wouldn't that make one >> hell of a list > > >Was this the original idea? No, I asked because I wanted to know which cassettes I have to watch for that very day when all vinyls, cd's and 8-track kachunks was in my possession... I've got some help so far, but there must be more Record Company made tapes hiding in your drawers..? \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Jan 17 15:08:41 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:08:41 +0100 Subject: HW: cover to come Message-ID: might be something for Carl? \\joe ------------------------------------------- stolen from http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7025/amorphis.html Amorphis News Amorphis has just finished a major European tour and are planning to reach the U.S. shores sometime soon. Early in '97 there are expected to release a mini-CD EP type thing with various cover songs from acts such as Hawkwind. ------------------------------------------- stolen from http://www.relapse.com/ AMORPHIS Having completed a series of very successful festival dates throughout Europe, including a Finnish gig with DEEPPURPLE, Finland's folklorists are touring Europe with Sweden's THERION, which will take them to 10 countries throughout September and October. Expect to see the band on North American shores late in the year! The worldwide response to Elegy has been overwhelming, even breaking into the Finnish national Top 20 chart at a healthy #9! Two videos, for "Against Widows" and "My Kantele (acoustic reprise)", have been completed and can be seen on regional cable video shows across the country! A mini-CD is scheduled for release in early '97, featuring new tracks, with covers of HAWKWIND and KINGSTON WALLsongs rounding out the track selection. AMORPHIS fans and collectors will want to keep an eye out for the upcoming Black Winter Day 11" vinyl release, which adds bonus track "Light My Fire" to the original four-song track listing. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Jan 17 15:49:17 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:49:17 -0500 Subject: BOC new / aol chat / etc. Message-ID: Jerry writes: >This is what Bolle had to say about the new album... >> The deal is as on as it was all the time, the only delay there may be is with >> the distribution for the US side of things.... >> I'll be seeing Buck at NAMM convention this weekend and I'll find out any >> serious details about it all... >> But there are 10 songs so that 7 Songs issue is because Morning Final will be >> the first to tell the full track list! Boy, I've heard all kinds of stories. David Roter told me that Andy Schernoff (who was reponsible for "discovering" Steve Schenck) told him that Steve Schenck called him up whining about how the booking agency was screwing him and also that the BOC album deal had fallen through but it was OK because Eric Gardner was going to hook them up with Castle Communications (Remember "Live '76"?). Gardner was BOC road manager before Schenck (notice the proper spelling, y'all, SCHENCK). Then Paul Orfino (owner of Millbrook Sound) told my brother, Joe, that he had to kick BOC out of his studio because he never got paid (how unusual) after they did only 7 songs. Schenck claimed that the German record company never paid the studio which I guess was the bone of contention that quashed the original deal. >"Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" >- Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' I heard that E Bloom was asked to leave the studio by some members of BOC during a writing session and that he then called up Neil Pert to help him "write" songs for the new album. Maybe that's where the other 3 came from ;-P > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > theo>And if they really do want to make another album, why in the hell > >don't they go the route Al took and simply do it themselves? ab: > Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it appears. > Al+s had great success but at what cost? He knows what has to be done > to do this but that+s not to say anybody connected with 3OC has the > tools, talent, desire or even a way to make this happen. Then Theo said: >Agreed. Al's been putting his ass on the line doing things his own >way, and I'm sure he's not getting rich at it. Probably losing >money. But he at least has the vision to see beyond a narrow >horizon, gambling on the fans' good will, and demonstrating faith in >his group and its material. I suspect that he's gambling on >maintaining a fan base by keeping new material coming out and >networking with a core group of fans that's likely expanding. This >is risky, and requires great patience, it's true. But now, is Al >starving? I think not. Is he happy? Obviously. I have one advantage they don't have. I've been out of BOC for 15 years. I've had to struggle to survive. I've learned another trade (several actually). I had to start over again at 35, figuring out what I wanted to be when I grew up. I was in the position of a 20 year old who drops out of college with a wife and kid. I got a bunch of crappy jobs, went back to college and eventually got to where I was 5 years ago, financially stable, with enough time off to return to the music world. But this time it's only for myself. I don't have to make my living at it. I would like to break even on it, but that's not as important as my artistic integrity. Even if I do loose money, spiritually I can't loose. I still have my job, which I do enjoy on its own merits. Even if I had to leave my job to go on tour. I still have that teaching skill and I could get another teaching job in a minute. The bottom line is that even though this is a lot of work for me, it's very rewarding. That a couple thousand fans get to hear my new stuff and appreciate it, is really enough for me. Of course. I'd love to have a phone jockey like Schenck to get us gigs all over the country and set up tours and have the record stores all have a tBS bin, stocked with all the records, and be able to count the radio stations that play us on more than one hand. But if none of that happens, I'll still keep doing what I'm doing because I continue to be excited about music, creating pieces and the recognition of my small circle of friends. Hell, I'd probably do it to amuse the other people in the band. We have a great time together. >Can we expect 3OC to take the same crap shoot? No, and it's not >really >fair to do >so, but it's obvious that they're just reading water. I say, why not >give it a shot? My god, these guys are all pros, probably at least >one of them has a home studio that would yield a decent record. Maybe that's where they did the other 3. Incidentally I had a great time on the aol chat the other night. I must say Donald still amuses me. There were a few funny moments, like Erinn the 11 year old, who was up past his bedtime. Bloom stayed on but didn't say much. The 'what happened to Eric's voice' question came up but went unanswered. I found Don's comments about 'why no NYC BOC dates' very interesting. Hmm.... Al From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 17 16:20:24 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:20:24 UT Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: >From my time on AOL last year, I don't think it's so much "fawning idolatry", so much as a lot of the AOL people earnestly believe that BOC are the best band in the world, right now in the nineties. They're even crazier about them now than I was in 1978! They do things like organise letter-writing campaigns to get BOC on Jay Leno. (Dream on!) When someone mentioned that he'd had the piss mildly taken on the Bush (I think) board on AOL for liking BOC, several of them wanted to (metaphorically) go over there and sort them out! To oversimplify like mad, I'd say they're mostly "true fans", whereas I think there's a lot of foilks on BOC-L who *used* to be fans, but stick around for the company. But if there's one reason I'm "negative" about BOC, it's _Cult Classic_ - I admit I was a bit dubious about it as I bought it, but I was hoping for best-ever versions of classic tunes, revitalised and reinterpreted for the nineties. (Like Kraftwerk's _The Mix_, maybe.) But as Neil says, "Bought it from a friend, on whom you can depend, when I got it home it was a piece of crap". But if and when, I'll definitely be buying the new album, and I'll do my best to "listen without prejudice". Is that positive enough for ya? :) - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 17 16:35:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:35:58 -0500 Subject: BOC new / aol chat / etc. Message-ID: Al says: >Then Paul Orfino (owner of Millbrook Sound) told my brother, Joe, that he had to kick BOC out of his studio because he never got paid (how unusual) after they did only 7 songs. I should point out one thing that Bolle told me, which "might" be the difference in reports of "10" vs. "7" songs. Bolle had mentioned in a previous phone conversation that because of Eric's recent vocal problems, they were planning on using versions of some of the songs he sang that had been previously recorded. Prior to the SVP deal, they had recorded some of their "new" songs, including Harvest Moon, Still Burnin', See You in Black, Cold Grey Light of Dawn, and Power Underneath Despair. While the intention was to completely re-do all the tracks, Bloom's voice may have sounded better on the original ones (cut back in '95 probably - Bolle mentioned that Jon Rogers was playing bass on those demos and would probably be credited on the new album). So, if See You in Black, Cold Grey Light, and Power Underneath weren't re-done in late '96, that could be the 3 out of the 10 songs that were re-done, making 7 other tunes recorded. This is just my speculation based on what I've heard. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 17 16:40:57 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:40:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: >> You're right, but so far from what I've seen, Al gets ALOT more > respect from AOL than 30C gets from BOC-L. Some of that is no doubt >That's too bad. Huh? No, I think it's nice that the fans of 3OC can still recognize Albert's positive impacts, both in BOC and tBS. >I doubt that Al does secretly want to be back, you can never tell, though it's obvious that a lot of us fans would love having Al back in BOC. Their meteoric dropp-off coinciding with Al's departure from the group. Even though Billy shouldn't have said what he did, you can imagine how all this speculation must grate on the members of tBS. I suspect that comments like that get made by BOC fans all the time. And Billy, dude, don't hate Buck because he's beautiful! No mis-interpretation of BH's comments! No, I don't think Albert secretly wants to be back in BOC - that isn't what I was suggesting. But, this particular individual thought so based on Buck and Al's conversations. I don't think anyone in tBS is worried about Al wanting to go back to BOC -- when tBS first got together, Al even told them all something to the effect of "no one is even going to mention BOC here". And, one final point - I happened to be talking after a tBS show to Billy - he says he's met Buck before and "Buck is cool", so no, Billy doesn't hate Buck. John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 17 18:10:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:10:00 -0600 Subject: With BOC I'm Realistic Message-ID: > lil AB wrote: > Again Theo I would debate you that this isn+t as easy as it > appears. > I sure as hell hope that the boys in BOC aren't as negative as some of >their fans. Nothing would ever get done. > If they don't kill their careers then some fans sure will. > Give 'em a break. > Troy I+d prefer to think of it as realistic expectations as opposed to negativity. Why after years we have no new album only the band and its family knows for sure. I will stick to my guns and say it can+t be easy for them in today+s record world, even if it means doing what Al has been able to accomplish. The "why+s" they haven+t will always be speculation on all of our parts until they say something, anything. I see your point Troy, and Theo+s as well, really. But all of us here are disappointed by the prospects that the new one will be a) further delayed or b) not happening. BOC Reveiw Jaxx Oct 20, 2017 "Eric Bloom rolled up to the mic in his wheel chair and belted out the standard opener "Stairway to the Stars..." I was there with my walking aid. lil ab *********************************** Just a slave to something I can+t stand Its gonna kill me kill the inner man Like a pyre burning up and down It+s gonna bring this temple to the ground. ************************************* From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jan 17 17:48:36 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:48:36 +0100 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. Message-ID: >As rock vets, I would go so far as to say that they would not have too >much trouble getting signed, even on a small label, and esp. if they >already have a recorded album. Hey! Why not Cellsum records!! :) >(Only jokin') Well, I think it'd be only fair... God, that would be something, wouldn't it ? *grin* Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jan 17 17:48:42 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:48:42 +0100 Subject: BOC: From last night's chat on AOL Message-ID: >>Anybody taking bets? ;-) > >Rather than taking yes/no bets we should set up a pool whereby we can >buy blocks of dates and whoever has the range in which it is finally >released wins the pool. Well, all I'm ready to bet on is that an album WILL be released - eventually. I'll go further. I'm certain this will be their best album in years - their very best in at least 9 years ;-)) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Fri Jan 17 18:02:50 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:02:50 -0800 Subject: BÖC Message-ID: Hi all, I don't usually post much here, but thought I would drop my 2 cents in on the latest conversation being as I'm an old-time boc fan (1973), and have been on the AOL boc message boards for a couple of years. First, I don't believe in categorizing anybody. Many great fans exist on AOL and BOC-L. I believe it is a simple fact that since AB communicates with fans on this medium, that many of the fans here are more loyal to him and since EB and BD communicate with fans on AOL, people there are more loyal to them. And I'm speaking about the types of posts made, the adulation, etc.. Once, after someone mentioned wanting to here Imaginos material live, Eric posted "If you want to here Imaginos, go see the Brain Surgeons." So, I believe that most don't mention tBS or AB much on AOL, so as not to piss off Eric, as it is appreciated his intermingling with fans. However, I talk to many of the fans in private, and I would say 99% would say they would be elated to have the band with the original lineup. I know I sure would. I've always felt his drumming is unmatched by any other I've ever heard, and the songs he has written are among my favorites. I guess my bottom line is; I believe the majority of the fans, no matter what online programming they use, pretty much feel the same way. They love most all the music boc has ever done, they enjoy going to the concerts, even though there is constant requests for other material, they are frustrated by the lack of new material, though on AOL that won't be mentioned much publicly, and they appreciate AB's music and are also excited with tBS releases and news on any shows or upcoming recordings. But nothing is ever perfect. It seem extremely remote that AB would ever play with 3OC again, and it appears boc finds great difficulty in getting a solid recording deal, no matter who is at fault, or what the circumstances. Me, I'll just continue enjoying the music I already have, continue my praise for band members, both present and past, and of course, always hope for new material:) Stepping down now, Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html #Blue?ysterCult on Dalnet on IRC From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Jan 17 18:16:58 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:16:58 -0700 Subject: Imaginos In-Reply-To: <1627AD932E5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > Wasn't someone recently bemoaning the unavailability of Imaginos? > Just scored a near mint vinyl copy for 3 bucks... > theo > Hey Theo; How about the Astronomy CD Single? Been looking for that one for years....Manuel Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 17 18:34:00 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:34:00 -0500 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply In-Reply-To: <15CEE987D39@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> > Give 'em a break. >> > >> > Troy >> >> gotta agree with that....and people wonder why Buck and Eric stick to AOL..... >> glad to hear a little break in the negativity..... >> >> Ted Alger > >I think waiting ten years between albums is break enough. Just how >much slack are we supposed to cut these guys?. Maybe they prefer AOL >for it's fawning idolatry. At least BOC-L isn't afraid to address >painful issues. And do you really think we'd be this upset over the >long wait between records if we weren't so damn anxious for 3OC to >finally put out the great recording we all know they are capable of? >Just 'cause these guys are our heroes doesn't mean that everything >they do [or don't do!] is great... >theo this whole argument is starting to remind me of a thread in the Queensryche newsgroup where some guy wrote a rant about how rock groups don't "respect" their fans enough and that they should basically do what the fans want no matter what - he seemed to feel that he was owed something just because in the past he had bought a record and this obligated the artist to kiss his ass and not do anything he didn't like and yet, in other places around the world people are worrying about where their next meal is coming from, or possible worrying if theres a bullet waiting for them the next day.....doesn't it possible make some people feel just a TAD silly? and no, I'm not singling YOU out (great name by the way) theo, just making a comment on the possible implications of this in the greater scheme of things ;-) I'll get down off my high horse now Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 17 18:34:05 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:34:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>>From my time on AOL last year, I don't think it's so much "fawning idolatry", >so much as a lot of the AOL people earnestly believe that BOC are the best >band in the world, right now in the nineties. yes, and I was disappointed to find it wasn't true of BOC-L > They're even crazier about them >now than I was in 1978! They do things like organise letter-writing campaigns >to get BOC on Jay Leno. (Dream on!) you'd really have some "fawning idolatry" or a reasonable facsimile thereof if this were to happen..... >To oversimplify like mad, I'd say they're mostly "true fans", whereas I think >there's a lot of foilks on BOC-L who *used* to be fans, but stick around for >the company. > this is pretty much the opinion I've been forming, but since I haven't been on the list long, I was giving people a little for rope... > >But if and when, I'll definitely be buying the new album, and I'll do my best >to "listen without prejudice". >Is that positive enough for ya? :) yes, thank you :-) > >- Andy Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Jan 17 20:15:47 1997 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 02:15:47 +0100 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: Rocker writes; > >Eric is a positive person. It's easy to see why he doesn't want to be a part >of BOC-L. And if I'm fawning, well, fine. > OK, this is the VERY last mailing I will do for a while, I haven't "SET NO MAIL" yet... WHY CAN'T ERIC (or Buck... or Allen or...) EVEN TRY TO BE MEMBERS OF BOC-L. What could possibly happen? Nobody will harm them in anyway (...hell the worst thing ever will happen a person is that he'll be killed... and that is a very hard thing to do with the net as the only tool... and I don't believe that anyone on this list will even try to harm anyone of 3OC). Are they cowards or what??? If they don't dare to confrontate fans of all kind... are they then really worthy to have any fans at all? Please have in mind the meaning of a "fan". Why is this list existing anyway... surely it isn't 'cause we like to talk crap about BOC... IT'S EXISTING 'CAUSE WE LIKE THEIR MUSIC AND WHANT TO DISCUSS IT... and if they have any opinions of what we are talking about -they should speak out on this list and don't stay quiet... or express their feelings and opinions on another list (read AOL). I am not very found of these discussions when we are discussing why BOC did that and why they didn't do that and so on... when there is a resonable way for Bloom&co to speak up and tell us the way it's. I think it would be great if there was only one BOC-mailinglist... where everyone could express there opinion... and nobody get's excluded... and I don't think AOL is the way to go. Bye (again) -Daniel (who is VERY drunk and have big problems getting his English legible tonight... but yet -he's still a BOCfan) Wikdahl That's it... see you later (in February )... love you all... . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM Wed Jan 15 19:21:49 1997 From: mannyrp at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:21:49 -0800 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: Dear friends, I've obviously missed something in the last several days :-) What in the world happened on during the AOL session last week? Would someone be so kind as to summarize for those of us who have been asleep? With best regards, Richard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jan 18 00:21:28 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:21:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: "Blue Laws" and Texas craziness... Message-ID: With all this talk of Texas craziness and "blue laws," I thought it might be pertinent to point out a story in today's paper (Roanoke Times; 17th Jan. 1997) wherein a town in Texas has passed an ordinance outlawing "hello" as the official form of greeting and replacing it with "heaven-o" instead. The reason? The word "hello" contains the word "hell..." Cheers, Paul. obHawkwind: "Has the world gone mad or is it only me?" --- Master of the Universe e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Jan 18 02:58:58 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:58:58 +0100 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: At 17:50 17.01.97 GMT, you wrote: Hi there >It might be worthwhile collecting all this info together some day >perhaps? If the members of this list are interested, I can post all the lists I have. They are: - about 1300 HAWKWIND gigs - about 570 HAWKWIND live tapes - about 570 HAWKWIND track listings - about 50 HAWKWIND videos Let me know cheers Bernhard From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Jan 18 03:38:23 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:38:23 -0700 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > > - about 1300 HAWKWIND gigs > - about 570 HAWKWIND live tapes > - about 570 HAWKWIND track listings > - about 50 HAWKWIND videos What an awesome collection!! Good job!! I'll be over for the video viewing this weekend! :) (Teazin' here!:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace *K*< Message-ID: OK, that's enough talk of the silly laws here on the big side of the pond. I just saw an episode of "TV Nation" that went to the good ol' U.K., and guess what it found out.... BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a *license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching someone else's television w/out a license.) At least most (yes, I said most) of our weird laws seemed to make sense when whoever-it-was thought them up. Hmmm... :) Damon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 08:42:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:42:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? In-Reply-To: <199701171846.NAA17464@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 17, 97 01:46:31 pm Message-ID: > BTW, I have another "theory" on the "critical" attitude of BOC. I > think that alot of the people on this list, and this is probably > especially true for the "old timers", also happen to like bands that > have in recent years continued to give them new music to listen to. > Not being a Hawkwind fan myself, I can't speak for them, but it seems > that Hawkwind has produced a fair amount of new material in recent > years. Of course, I've already mentioned the Brain Surgeons. It's > somewhat frustrating for this type of person to continue to be a fan > of a band that doesn't produce alot of new stuff (and the empty > promises don't help) while their other favorite bands continue to > crank out new stuff to listen to. Alot of the folks on BOC-L seem > to not be of the type to want to spend alot of their time reminiscing > about seeing BOC back in the 70's and 80's - but want BOC to give them > a reason to continue to support them in the 90's. I could have clipped some of that except it all hits it right on the head for me! I'm not an "old timer" by any definition, having not quite been born in time for the first BOC album I think :) but I like plenty of bands from "back then" (including HW) and many of them are still putting out material which if not absolutely top notch is still good enough to command my respect. Which is why I get pissed off at 3OC. Maybe I should give them "a break" but I don't really feel like it. Maybe they're happy doing what they're doing, but I can't really say I care--maybe it's selfish but *I*want*new*BOC* and I'm gonna whinge when I don't get it! :) Hell, I've gone to see 3OC a few times and liked it, heard some of the new tunes and liked them ... I even liked the Bad Channels tracks which generally take a lot of abuse here! And I don't see why it should be so hard for them to come up with an album!? Other bands have been doing it. John says it for me: I would like BOC to give me a reason to continue to care about the band _now_. I know they used to be able to do it and don't see any reason why they couldn't do it again. I don't expect them to chart seriously or sell out stadiums, but it'd be nice to go to a show and not see exactly the same thing you saw the last 4 times. So, yeah, I _am_ critical of the band--not because I hate them or something, but because as a fan I (rightly or wrongly) expect support from the band in terms of new releases in return for my support seeing them live and buying their albums. I feel somewhat let down by BOC in that they are not doing what I feel they could or even should be doing. That is the source of my displeasure. No one will be happier than I if they actually manage to get a new album out! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 08:50:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:50:07 +0000 Subject: With BOC I'm Realistic In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Jan 17, 97 05:10:00 pm Message-ID: > BOC Reveiw Jaxx Oct 20, 2017 > "Eric Bloom rolled up to the mic in his wheel chair and belted out the > standard opener "Stairway to the Stars..." > > I was there with my walking aid. Did he say that the new album would be out "real soon now"? ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 08:55:03 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:55:03 +0000 Subject: BOC new / aol chat / etc. In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jan 17, 97 03:49:17 pm Message-ID: > Incidentally I had a great time on the aol chat the other night. I must say > Donald still amuses me. This is my primary hope--unlike a number of fans I harbor neither the wish or expectation that Al would ever play with 3OC again ... that would interfere with the production of tBS material after all :) But I would like to see all the old members on friendly terms again, since that would be nice even from a fans perspective (not to say the performers perspective). And no, I wouldn't cry if it ever happened that Buck dropped by a tBS show to jam with them, or Allen contributed a piano break to a tBS recording or something like that. I like to see various random artists playing together, so that would be neat. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 08:56:28 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:56:28 +0000 Subject: HW: cover to come In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970117210617.08271e0e@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at Jan 17, 97 09:08:41 pm Message-ID: > AMORPHIS > A mini-CD is scheduled for release in early '97, > featuring new tracks, with covers of HAWKWIND and KINGSTON WALLsongs > rounding out the track selection. Oh yes, these guys sound great :) Gotta figure out how to find some! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From stayer at PI.NET Sat Jan 18 16:25:59 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:25:59 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws everywhere Message-ID: QUEST wrote: > BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a > *license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, > but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching > someone else's television w/out a license.) Hehe, same as in Holland. But here you cannot be arrested for watching someone else's tv. In some of the European countries, among which Holland, UK, Germany and Belgium (I don't know about the rest), there is a number of public radio and tv channels. Public as in non-commercial. We pay a fee for those broadcasting corporations. This may sound strange to some countries, but those public broadcasting corps are not allowed to gain income from advertising someone's products. They do have commercials, but only between programs. It's not that the programs are cut and squeezed in between commercials. Far better programs as well - this accounts for both Dutch and British public broadcasting corps. Why not put this fee with the rest of the taxes, I don't know. People without tv do not have to pay, alright, but who doesn't have a tv, you might ask. Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 09:25:40 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:25:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? In-Reply-To: <1604AF2156A@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, thought I'd drop my two penn'orth on the subject. I personally think the BOC in my collection is the favourite stuff I own. I'm not so sure the band is the greatest any more though. I saw 3OC in London in '95, and, yes, they kicked. But it was old stuff, although I have to say that with Danny Maranda I think they have a bass player to rule the world with. But without the crazy edge of Al's writing (would BOC ever do a song called `666 - The Devil Got Your Mother'?) and without _someone_ stopping Buck writing songs with choruses of the same line repeated four times over a happy bouncy sound that makes it sound like BOC are trying to be the Lightning Seeds with a decent bass-line, and physically forcing him to do heavy stuff again (I got hooked on BOC by DFtR and Godzilla), they are not the band they were. Though I will still go and see them next time they make England, to hear the stuff from when they were that band. I hope the new album is good enough so I don't regret getting it, as I think I probably will if/when I get Club Ninja. I liked Harvest Moon, I didn't reckon much to See You in Black, though studio version might be better. The way Buck talks about `the band' reminds me of something that floated through BOC-L last year, that Buck wanted to hang it all up and stick to Buck stuff, but EB kept persuading him out of it. In which case, we do owe Eric _some_ thanks! But I think half the problem with 3OC is that Buck's not really happy with it, and Eric has nothing else to do. What Allen thinks of all of it I would love to know, because you never hear diddly about/from him... I don't expect to see Al back in BOC - I mean, no way - but it looks as if, if BOC ever do rise and reverberate, even a little bit, there might be a bit more contact between them and tBS. (They might decide they could pay him his bloody royalties, for a start!) Perhaps DR feels a bit guilty talking to Al when, despite the band having stiffed him over Imaginos (among other stuff) he is still doing better than they are? It strikes me that if (dream) tBS and BOC ever played a gig together, or Al did a guest drums appearance or something (like Lemmy did occasionally for HW on bass), the conflict zone would not be Al vs. DR, but Deb vs. EB... That's all from me, anyway - but next time I play T&M I shall still think "God, they are good, aren't they!" irrespective of my current mopes, Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 10:29:38 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:29:38 +0000 Subject: Imaginos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, jean l delacour wrote: > Hey Theo; How about the Astronomy CD Single? Been looking for that one > for years....Manuel And, if anyone wants a brand-new copy of T&M on CD, I have one spare due to a mix-up. Alex, weren't you without this? Jazza _____________________________________________________________________________ Jon Jarrett Pembroke College Cambridge "If he really thinks we're the (01223 327450) devil, Then let's send them to jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Hell!" (B.O.C., `Divine Wind') ======================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jan 18 06:03:25 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:03:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , QUEST writes >OK, that's enough talk of the silly laws here on the big side of the pond. > >I just saw an episode of "TV Nation" that went to the good ol' U.K., and >guess what it found out.... > >BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a >*license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, >but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching >someone else's television w/out a license.) That's not true. You have the license to own a TV and that's it. You no- one's ever been done for watching someone else's. > >At least most (yes, I said most) of our weird laws seemed to make sense >when whoever-it-was thought them up. Of course, there was a time when ice cream could actually explode if kept in a coat pocket. These days they don't use nitro-glycerin to stiffen the cream. Well, the thing is, when we invented TV there wasn't thousands of companies queuing up to advertise, so the BBC was govt. funded and subsidised by TV-users i.e. license payers. At the time there was no other way of financing the broadcasts. And over the years, we have become accustomed to high quality, advert-free TV. We had the same attitude towards broadcasting that most people have towards Usenet. The ads ruin it. The licence even today is less than the price of a pint of beer a week, and I don't think you'll find *any* Brits on this list that think it's a bad deal or a bad system. The difference in quality is *so* great, anyone would agree having seen it. Strangly enough, we like it this way. It's great to watch a show uniterupted, without some irritating car ad seven times an hour. Much more enjoyable. And we take the laugh tracks off shows like MASH. We do have commercial TV and Cable as well, natch, but the BBC pisses on it from a great height. We do have silly laws, of course. The Poll Tax springs to mind We've just implemeted some of the foulest legislation against freedom of assembly this side of Tiananmen Square. You know the old saying "two's a conspiracy, three's a riot" That's law here now and you can be busted just for hanging around. Still, at least I can carry ice cream in my fucking pocket! I just can't go and see Hawkwind in a field for free anymore. Not without inviting a nightstick round the head. -- Jon Browne From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Jan 18 15:21:21 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:21:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK Message-ID: >>BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a >>*license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, >>but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching >>someone else's television w/out a license.) >That's not true. You have the license to own a TV and that's it. You no- >one's ever been done for watching someone else's. I totally agree with everything Jon said in response to this statement, and having lived in the US for the past two years I feel I can comment on both the US and UK TV networks. The UK system is by far and away better in quality and service. It drives me mad watching TV here in the US; the adverts are just *so* annoying. The license fee also covers advert free radio (5 BBC stations), the BBC World Service and supurb live sport coverage. We even shelled out on cable a few months ago, mainly for the sport coverage (which I found to be pretty bad) and I'd rather pay for a TV license instead of cable anyday of the week. I thought ITV was bad until I came here - those of you in the UK should never complain about ITV's adverts again:) I have found the 'off' switch and use it regularly, before anyone tells me to use it. Of course, the BBC does put on some really crap stuff - one of the things you don't get in the US is the Australian Soaps - but at least there are only 2 channels of crap at any one time rather than 57 channels of crap all at the same time. There you are - I've had my moan for the month:) Star Rats From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jan 18 15:12:25 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:12:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: "Blue Laws" and Texas craziness... Message-ID: >With all this talk of Texas craziness and "blue laws," I thought it might >be pertinent to point out a story in today's paper (Roanoke Times; 17th >Jan. 1997) wherein a town in Texas has passed an ordinance outlawing >"hello" as the official form of greeting and replacing it with "heaven-o" >instead. The reason? The word "hello" contains the word "hell..." Incredible. As they say "Only in America" >Cheers, > >Paul. Cheers >obHawkwind: "Has the world gone mad or is it only me?" > --- Master of the Universe obnitpick> Delete the word "only" From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Jan 18 15:18:12 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 15:18:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the U>*K*< Message-ID: >OK, that's enough talk of the silly laws here on the big side of the pond. > >I just saw an episode of "TV Nation" that went to the good ol' U.K., and >guess what it found out.... > >BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a >*license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, >but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching >someone else's television w/out a license.) > >At least most (yes, I said most) of our weird laws seemed to make sense >when whoever-it-was thought them up. > >Hmmm... :) >Damon This may seem silly to you but the system provides the money to run channels (BBC1 and BBC2) that are free of commercials and thus the need to pamper to the needs of the advertisers. To some extent this has served to provide some good quality programs that otherwise would not have seen the light of day. On the other hand it is "state" TV and subject to the abuses of government censorship 0.02 Martyn From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sat Jan 18 16:34:36 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:34:36 +0300 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: Hi! Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > If the members of this list are interested, I can post all the lists > I have. They are: > > - about 1300 HAWKWIND gigs > - about 570 HAWKWIND live tapes > - about 570 HAWKWIND track listings > - about 50 HAWKWIND videos Sounds great. I wouldn't mind having this lists posted, but it looks like a big enough volume - maybe too big for some guys with slow modem or something like this? Is it possible to FTP or WWW these files from some place - maybe it would be a better solution? Yuri From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Jan 18 17:22:56 1997 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:22:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... Message-ID: Hi folks! Don't know if this is old news, but.... Just read in the latest Record Collector that the Live 74 album will be out in March (sorry, don't remember the title...)! Also, Delirium are remastering and rerelasing the first two Porcupine Tree albums as well. Not only that, but the 'lost' Motorhead album On Parole will be remastered with bonus tracks. Motorhead is playing up here in a couple of months time, and if they play louder than they did here last year my head will explode! (judging by the recent discussion they will....) Sporadically, Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Jan 18 17:25:59 1997 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:25:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stormbringer comic - 'bout friggin' time! Message-ID: For all Moorcock affictionados, Dark Horse are finally putting out the Stormbringer comic adaptation - this time's it's not rumor (I bloody hope!), since they are promoting it heavily. It'll be out in march with art by P. Craig Russell and will be 7 issues. ta, Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 18:21:34 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:21:34 GMT Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Fri, 17 Jan 1997 21:08:41 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > No, I asked because I wanted to know which cassettes I have to watch for > that very day when all vinyls, cd's and 8-track kachunks was in my possession... optimist! Still, I guess one has to have dreams..... 8-) > I've got some help so far, but there must be more Record Company made tapes > hiding in your drawers..? I guess I have to admit to holding the following: Hawkwind 'Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music' Virgin Charisma Classics Hawkwind 'Hall of the Mountain Grill' EMI Fame Hawkwind 'PXR5' Virgin Charisma Hawkwind 'The Best of Hawkwind: Metal Classics 2' EMI SM(Special Markets) Capital {I think this only exists on tape?} Hawkwind 'The Business Trip' Emergency Broadcast System cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Jan 18 18:45:04 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:45:04 -0500 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: I have: Live Chronicles - GWR - US Early Daze (Best Of...) - Thunderbolt - UK Chuck From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sat Jan 18 19:01:11 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:01:11 -0600 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... Message-ID: Reply from Star Rats: >Don't know if this is old news, but.... >Just read in the latest Record Collector that the Live 74 album will be out >in March (sorry, don't remember the title...) I've just heard that the Live 74 album will be put off until just after the summer. I can't go into the 'whys' now but I can assure you there is a *good* reason for it. >Not only that, but the 'lost' Motorhead album On Parole will be remastered with bonus tracks. This is being done by my good friend Nigel (the same guy that is responsible for putting together the UA Remastered series). I've also heard these tapes and can tell you that they are supurb. Sleeve notes will be by Mick Farren. Yours, Star Rats From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sat Jan 18 18:48:36 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:48:36 GMT Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:15:00 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > be telling me to take stuff off my web site. I'm sort of worried > about the interviews I have stored, too. I'd like to put them all > online, but I could live without getting slapped with a copyright > suit. Does anyone know where I can get some plain English > explanations of what I could put online with proper attributions and > what I can't? I'd guess that interviews are less of a problem since they are someone's words spoken publicly and already put into the public domain by the media article they've appeared in. Simply reproducing them shouldn't be a problem as long as you acknowledge the source - should it? After all the Hawkwind history "Do Not Panic" reproduced newspaper clippings and interviews about the band and Trev Hughes has also done this in the past. However, I might think about asking the person concerned if it's ok by them. There are definitely occasions when folk have said things they retracted or apologised for later and wouldn't like to see the original appear all over again. > > Have you thought of applying for a federal grant to work > > full time on Hawkwind trivia :-) > > I can just see the headline now: "Government Grant Given to Encourage > the Following of Foreign, Long-Haired, Drug-Crazed, Space Freaks." > I'm sure that would go over just peachy with Newt and the boys! :-) I dunno - package it as the nostalgia trip of the millenium, recall the Great American Dream, mix it with images of space, Moon Landings, trips to Mars etc. etc. and you'd probably get cross party support throughout the whole country! jill obAmusingRead> Dick Morris, 'After The Fall' ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Jan 18 23:21:34 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:21:34 +1100 Subject: With BOC I'm Realistic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > BOC Reveiw Jaxx Oct 20, 2017 > > "Eric Bloom rolled up to the mic in his wheel chair and belted out the > > standard opener "Stairway to the Stars..." > > > > I was there with my walking aid. > > Did he say that the new album would be out "real soon now"? ;) And the BOC-L fans have started thier own band with such smash hits as "I'd like to see you in Creem" , "(Don't fear) the record deal", "This ain't the summer of the new release", "Morning final-ly", "Seven screaming geriatric fans", "O.D'd on Godzilla itself", "Hungry fans", "You are the ones (That we're waiting for)", and of course, "Burning for new (albums)". "Feel the blunder", Troy PS: for those who have not been following recents threads, I am very positive about this years'release. I can't wait , and I am not hangin'it on the band for any other purposes other than a laugh, so don't flame me to oblivion. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Sat Jan 18 23:58:42 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 05:58:42 +0100 Subject: Imaginos Message-ID: > And, if anyone wants a brand-new copy of T&M on CD, I have one >spare due to a mix-up. Alex, weren't you without this? Jazza Not me, no. I'm still mainly a cassette buyer. Or is there another Alex on the list ? :-o Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jan 19 01:38:39 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:38:39 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > Careful, there! They have all kinds of Blue Laws in Liberal Mass., > > and throughout New England, but like elsewhere, they aren't > > enforced... > Not necessarily true. Some of them are still enforced. The > no alcohol on Sunday or after 11pm except in bars/restaurants comes to > mind ... One that comes to my mind is the following: In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an example, of course. Weird... Damon From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Sun Jan 19 02:01:10 1997 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:01:10 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In Washington state, it's illegal to have sex with a virgin. That raises some problems... -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, QUEST wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > One that comes to my mind is the following: > In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says > nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that > the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other > single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an > example, of course. Weird... > > Damon > From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Jan 19 02:06:30 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:06:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Jon Browne wrote: > QUEST writes > >BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a > >*license* to watch the telly! (I know, it's a license to *have* a telly, > >but I heard about the numerous people who've been arrested for watching > >someone else's television w/out a license.) > That's not true. You have the license to own a TV and that's it. No one > has ever been done for watching someone else's. [[ Many other interesting musings snipped ]] Gotcha. But what I saw on that "TV Nation" show was interviews with various individuals: 1) A single, unemployed mother was arrested for not having a TV ownership license. Her protest was not that she was caught for doing something illegal, but because, instead of simply being fined and having her TV taken away, she had to be kept in prison for a few weeks (or however long it was). The show did not say anything about who took care of the children while mum was away. 2) The girlfriend (maybe wife) of a man who had a valid TV license was arrested for watching *his* TV, even though she had no part in owning the box. Again, they probably did that to "set an example". Damon P.S.: I understand the reason for the license fee now, and now that I know the logic, I think I can actually agree with it. Just not the extreme punishments. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sun Jan 19 02:41:12 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:41:12 -0700 Subject: OFF: Stormbringer comic - 'bout friggin' time! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > For all Moorcock affictionados, Dark Horse are finally putting out the > Stormbringer comic adaptation - this time's it's not rumor (I bloody hope!), > since they are promoting it heavily. It'll be out in march with art by P. Craig > Russell and will be 7 issues. > > ta, > > Christian I'll hafta look for those-sounds interesting!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace QUEST wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Careful, there! They have all kinds of Blue Laws in Liberal Mass., > > > and throughout New England, but like elsewhere, they aren't > > > enforced... > > Not necessarily true. Some of them are still enforced. The > > no alcohol on Sunday or after 11pm except in bars/restaurants comes to > > mind ... > > One that comes to my mind is the following: > In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says > nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that > the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other > single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an > example, of course. Weird... > > Damon Yes it is-very few actually like it, tho!!More embarrassment for the person involved, I guess!! Just outta curiosity-where are you located?? Me: Boise, Idaho!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace P Worley wrote: > > In Washington state, it's illegal to have sex with a virgin. That raises > some problems... Yes, Yes, It would at that,hmmmmmm. Pam > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I was just wondering if there are any other Idahoans on this list who are planning to be at the BOC show Thursday at Bogies... I'm fairly new to the list, but it's a good thing I subscribed or I probably still wouldn't even know about the gig, since it hasn't received much publicity. By the way, for those of you who have seen BOC recently, have they been playing 'See You in Black'? I hope so! I love that song... Hope to see you there, Aaron deadline at cyberhighway.net "How long you think that I can sharpen my knife I've got better things to do with my life" --BOC From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jan 19 08:00:54 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:00:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... In-Reply-To: <199701190001.SAA06685@mx3.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jan 18, 97 06:01:11 pm Message-ID: > I've just heard that the Live 74 album will be put off until just after the > summer. I can't go into the 'whys' now but I can assure you there is a > *good* reason for it. Alas! Alack! Boo-hoo-hoo! Want it *now*!! ;) > >Not only that, but the 'lost' Motorhead album On Parole will be remastered > with bonus tracks. > > This is being done by my good friend Nigel (the same guy that is responsible > for putting together the UA Remastered series). I've also heard these tapes > and can tell you that they are supurb. Sleeve notes will be by Mick Farren. Well, this may provide some measure of comfort in the meantime. Speaking of meantime, what ever happened to the promised "Love In Space" CD EP with the live "Lord of Light" on it? Cheers, Carl From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Jan 19 08:04:55 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:04:55 GMT Subject: Motorhead interview Message-ID: Hi Maybe I could make an interview of Lemmy next Tuesday after the show here in Paris (Bataclan); maybe some of you have special answers for the band, Lemmy that I can ask? Olivier From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jan 19 08:10:42 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:10:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: <199701182021.OAA05080@mx3.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jan 18, 97 02:21:21 pm Message-ID: > I totally agree with everything Jon said in response to this statement, and > having lived in the US for the past two years I feel I can comment on both > the US and UK TV networks. > The UK system is by far and away better in quality and service. Also speaking as a person who has experienced both the US and UK television systems, I can completely agree with all this. The TV license in the UK basically is like a mandatory public television system except without fund drives :) Ya sends in your "donation" and Auntie Beeb sends you the good stuff. I mean, there's a reason public television in the US shows so many BBC shows ... they're _better_. > Of course, the BBC does put on some really crap stuff - one of the things > you don't get in the US is the Australian Soaps - but at least there are > only 2 channels of crap at any one time rather than 57 channels of crap all > at the same time. Yeah, there is some crap on British television--obviously the US public television stations don't import that :) --and the crap that there is is indeed pretty crap! But overall there is less crap on UK television than US television (not a difficult achievement). Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jan 19 16:09:41 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:09:41 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > This may seem silly to you but the system provides the money > to run channels (BBC1 and BBC2) that are free of commercials and thus > the need to pamper to the needs of the advertisers. To some > extent this has served to provide some good quality programs that > otherwise would not have seen the light of day. On the other hand > it is "state" TV and subject to the abuses of government censorship Hey, that I did not know. In Holland, it's 'public', but not as in 'state' tv. The gov does not interfere and does not censor. Some stations do, however. Censorship? Ha, this reminds me of the pay channel we watched for a couple of minutes in a Las Vegas hotel. That was an American blue movie and you had to pay for watching that! Hahahaha! Hilarious! Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jan 19 16:20:10 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:20:10 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK Message-ID: QUEST wrote: > 2) The girlfriend (maybe wife) of a man who had a valid TV license was > arrested for watching *his* TV, even though she had no part in owning > the box. I don't know about the UK, but in Holland the fee is paid per address. They don't care how many tv sets or radios are in the house - one or more and you pay. > P.S.: I understand the reason for the license fee now, and now that I > know the logic, I think I can actually agree with it. Just not the > extreme punishments. Fine is 100%. So, if they don't catch you in one year, at least you broke even. But they /do/ check... Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jan 19 11:08:54 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:08:54 +0100 Subject: HW: video list Message-ID: Hi folks Let's start with a small list This list contains all known HAWKWIND official and inofficial (bootleg) videos: Some videos are complete gigs, other videos are only 5 minutes pieces *) = official Here it goes: TOWN HALL DATE =================================== Dunstable Civic Hall 07.07.72*) Newcastle City Hall 19.09.76 London Marc Bolan Show 14.09.77*) Newcastle City Hall 20.09.77 Baden Baden Studio 14.02.81*) Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81*) Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82*) Cricket St.Th Wildlife Park 04.06.83*) Ipswich Gaumont 09.03.84*) Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84*) Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.84 Manchester International 10.02.85 London Television 16.04.85*) Norwich Earlham Park 31.08.85*) London Hammersmith Odeon 03.12.85*) Bristol Festival 20.06.86*) Reading Festival 24.08.86*) Preston Guild Hall 03.12.86*) Bochum Zeche 31.05.87 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.08.87 Bridport Beehive 10.03.89*) Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.07.89*) Toronto Spectrum 24.09.89 Somerville East Cabaret 27.09.89 Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.09.89 Chicago Lounge Axe 01.10.89 Santa Clara One Step Byond 09.10.89 Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.01.90*) Bournemouth Academy 02.07.90*) Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 Washington Club 9:30 02.12.90 Cleveland Empire 06.12.90 Chicago Cubby Bear 07.12.90 Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 08.12.90 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 Denver Mercury Club 13.12.90 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 Bochum Zeche 19.03.91 Toronto Phoenix 16.05.91 G?teborg Magasinet 28.09.91 Gimme ShelterSessions 01.01.92*) Hemel Pavillon 08.05.92 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.05.92 Brixton Academy 15.08.92*) Pentrich Festival 31.07.93*) Stuttgart R?hre 07.12.93 Genua Albatross 19.10.94 Spilimbergo Rototron 22.10.94 Springfield Jaxx 08.04.95 Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.04.95 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.04.95 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.95 Bristol Colston Hall 19.10.95*) Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 London VH1 14.04.96*) Burg Herzberg Festival 21.07.96 That's all If you wish, the tapes, gigs and track-listings will come later this week as ZIP-files (MIME coded) Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jan 19 11:08:56 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:08:56 +0100 Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: At 00:34 19.01.97 +0300, you wrote: >Sounds great. I wouldn't mind having this lists posted, but it looks >like a big enough volume - maybe too big for some guys with slow modem >or something like this? I'll make ZIP-files from this large files so you won't have problems with a slow modem Bernhard From mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Sun Jan 19 11:49:00 1997 From: mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 10:49:00 CST Subject: OFF: Stormbringer comic - 'bout friggin' time! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 19 Jan 97 05:00:12 EST." <199701191000.FAA12845@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: >For all Moorcock affictionados, Dark Horse are finally putting out the >Stormbringer comic adaptation - this time's it's not rumor (I bloody >hope!), since they are promoting it heavily. It'll be out in march with >art by P. Craig Russell and will be 7 issues. It's official--the first issue will ship in March or April. Actually, Dark Horse will be publishing the odd-numbered issues, Topps will be issuing the even-numbered issues. I have no idea why this is the arrangment. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Cellular Subscriber Sector?+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sun Jan 19 12:11:05 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:11:05 -0500 Subject: Boise BOC show In-Reply-To: <01BC05A4.02D01CE0@ts8-09.tmp-boi.cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: >By the way, for those of you who have seen BOC recently, have they been playing 'See You in Black'? I hope so! I love that song... > >Hope to see you there, > >Aaron >deadline at cyberhighway.net > >"How long you think that I can sharpen my knife >I've got better things to do with my life" > --BOC I was at the show in York, PA on 12/27 and the only new songs played then were Harvest Moon and Live For Me.....but it was also the first show in a while, so they may have changed the set or rehearsed some more stuff. Good luck Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jan 19 12:22:46 1997 From: henrik.hallgren at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:22:46 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: HW: Cover to come.] Message-ID: -- ========================================================== "A new age is beginning. The horizons of space are coming closer, new alliances are being formed. At long last, we are reaching outward from cradle earth to our future in the stars." Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik.hallgren at sundsvall.mail.telia.com / henrik.hallgren at ortv.sca.se Phone/fax: 46-60-173716 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Henrik Hallgren Subject: RE: HW: Cover to come. Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:15:31 +0100 Size: 1353 URL: From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Jan 19 14:30:58 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:30:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Silly laws Message-ID: >One that comes to my mind is the following: >In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says >nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that >the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other >single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an >example, of course. Weird... How can they try to enforce a law like this? Surely it would be turned over on appeal as being unconstitutional? >Damon Martyn From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sun Jan 19 15:04:58 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:04:58 -0700 Subject: OFF: Silly laws Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >One that comes to my mind is the following: > >In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says > >nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that > >the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other > >single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an > >example, of course. Weird... > > How can they try to enforce a law like this? Surely it would > be turned over on appeal as being unconstitutional? > > >Damon > > Martyn they actually put the poor kid in jail over this one! Yes, there was a large uproar over it as well. The paper made a big deal over it, then let it die! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >"I'd like to see you in Creem" , "(Don't fear) the record deal", "This >ain't the summer of the new release", "Morning final-ly", "Seven >screaming geriatric fans", "O.D'd on Godzilla itself", "Hungry fans", "You >are the ones (That we're waiting for)", and of course, "Burning for new >(albums)". > > "Feel the blunder", (snip) >I am not hangin'it >on the band for any other purposes other than a laugh, so don't flame me >to oblivion. Oh no ! I don't feel like flaming ! This is hilarious ! *ROTFL* Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 19 19:09:17 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:09:17 +1000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: > Then there's the infamous law in one County where Pi was declaed to be 3 > because of a description in the Bible which indicated that this might be > its "True" value. Apparently there's a mob called the "Church of Counterfactual Belief" that hold that pi is both 3 and 22/7 simultaneously. -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 19 21:39:55 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:39:55 +1000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19 Jan 97 at 13:10, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Also speaking as a person who has experienced both the US and UK > television systems, I can completely agree with all this. The TV license > in the UK basically is like a mandatory public television system except > without fund drives :) Ya sends in your "donation" and Auntie Beeb > sends you the good stuff. Down Under, we all pay about $8 per week to have the priviledge of receiving the ABC (our equivalent of the BBC). There's no fines or anything involved tho ... it comes off our income tax. > > Of course, the BBC does put on some really crap stuff - one of the things > > you don't get in the US is the Australian Soaps - but at least there are > > only 2 channels of crap at any one time rather than 57 channels of crap all > > at the same time. At least the ABC doesn't show our crap soaps ... we have commercial TV for that ;^) And we can even watch BBC soaps on cable as well as on the ABC now .... lucky us. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Sun Jan 19 21:45:09 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:45:09 -0700 Subject: BOC new / aol chat / etc. Message-ID: >I have one advantage they don't have. I've been out of BOC for 15 years. >I've had to struggle to survive. I've learned another trade (several >actually). I had to start over again at 35, figuring out what I wanted to >be when I grew up. I was in the position of a 20 year old who drops out of >college with a wife and kid. I got a bunch of crappy jobs, went back to >college and eventually got to where I was 5 years ago, financially stable, >with enough time off to return to the music world. But this time it's only >for myself. I don't have to make my living at it. I would like to break >even on it, but that's not as important as my artistic integrity. Even if I >do loose money, spiritually I can't loose. I still have my job, which I do >enjoy on its own merits. Even if I had to leave my job to go on tour. I >still have that teaching skill and I could get another teaching job in a >minute. Hey Al (or maybe someone who knows, John S?), Thanks for sharing a bit about what you did / went through after the split. I'm doing a little career change here myself, at 41 (engineering to filmmaking). My question is what exactly is your "job?" Do you teach music at a school or college there in NYC? It seems it was mentioned in posts several months back re mixing BoH in a/the studio at Hunter College or some such thing. Maybe I'll move back to the City and take drum lessons from you (or guitar lessons (or keyboards (or sax))). 8-}. Just curious. James Coburn Albuquerque, New Mexico From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Jan 20 00:03:34 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:03:34 -0600 Subject: HW: video list Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, I think I've got one that isn't on your list that you might like to know about. In 1982, Dave Brock made up a video from the first night at Hammersmith on the Choose Your Masques tour. There were only 200 made of this and it was sold directly from the Devon PO Box number that Kris used to run. I know that only 200 were made because Brock has written so on the label of the video in a message to my brother (the man responsible for starting me off on Hawkwind in the first place) who ordered the video and has it still (although I taped the soundtrack when he wasn't looking:) It's filmed from the back of the Odeon but the actual film quality is pretty good, although you can't see much of the band due to the back lighting they used on that tour. It is the whole show and has rehearsal footage tacked on the fill up the 3 hour tape. I can't remember the actual date, but I'm sure you have it down. I think that it was the first night, but I can't be sure (the 21st rings a bell). I can check up for your records. Hope that adds to your list. All the best, Dale From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Jan 20 00:06:31 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:06:31 -0600 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... Message-ID: > Speaking of meantime, what ever happened to the promised "Love >In Space" CD EP with the live "Lord of Light" on it? The Love In Space EP will be released but the band are waiting for some things to come together beforehand so that the single will have the best chance of getting decent media exposure. They feel that this is the best chance for ages to get some real success with a single and want to wait until the conditions are right until they release it. A clip of the single (which is a very different re-mix of the live version) will be put up on the Hawkwind site when the time comes. Yours, Star Rats From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Jan 20 00:41:58 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 06:41:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the USA Message-ID: At 10:09 1997-01-20 +1000, Mr Sonique wrote: >> Then there's the infamous law in one County where Pi was declaed to be 3 >> because of a description in the Bible which indicated that this might be >> its "True" value. > >Apparently there's a mob called the "Church of Counterfactual Belief" >that hold that pi is both 3 and 22/7 simultaneously. I've heard much through the years, but never a number that suffered of schizophrenia! \\joe From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 20 02:25:36 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:25:36 +0800 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > At least the ABC doesn't show our crap soaps ... we have commercial > TV for that ;^) > Just thought you'd all be interested to know that crappy Australian soaps aren't popular in Australia. The only reason they get made is because British TV is silly enough to buy them (along with other crap like Baywatch!), yet they are too stingy to make Doctor Who!!! William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP Mon Jan 20 20:29:17 1997 From: nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP (nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:29:17 JST Subject: Doremi w/Silver Machine Message-ID: Hi, FoFP Are you still interested in getting the Japanese version of Doremi LP, which includes Silver Machine put on top. If you have been with it yet, disregard this. At a certain record store the other day I found a copy of the LP for sale. Its price is 8,000 yen. Expensive, though every bit of the stuff seemed to be perfect. This is the first time I've seen one but mine. The store, Disc Union, Shinjuku, Tokyo, can be reached at +81-3-3352-2691. Good luck. Best regards. ----yoshi From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 07:01:33 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:01:33 +0000 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: <01IEDA1K5242935Y2Q@delphi.com> Message-ID: I have: Hawkwind - `Hawkwind' (genuine UA release, now running again after it refused to play to Carl the other night... ) Quark, Strangeness & Charm (Virgin Charisma) P.X.R.5 (Virgin Charisma) Palace Springs (Roadrunner) I also turned down a copy of ISoS over the holiday due to acute penury and saving for the CD remaster :) Yours all, Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Jan 20 07:31:52 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:31:52 UT Subject: HW: cassettes? Message-ID: Jon says > Hawkwind - `Hawkwind' (genuine UA release, now running >again after it refused to play to Carl the other night... ) This is a hazard of playing HW tapes to Carl - I tried to play him the most excellent Calvert-vocal, keyboard-heavy, "Brainstorm" off Weird 105 last year, and it steadfastly refused. It was fine in the car later on, though! :) I don't have a lot of HW cassettes, apart from the Weird ones, but I do have: "Repeat Performance", Charisma BGC002, with bonus track "The Dream of Isis" - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 07:42:40 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:42:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: <32E31DEC.5833@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Jan 20, 97 03:25:36 pm Message-ID: > Just thought you'd all be interested to know that crappy Australian > soaps aren't popular in Australia. The only reason they get made is > because British TV is silly enough to buy them (along with other crap > like Baywatch!), yet they are too stingy to make Doctor Who!!! Which is a shame, since I thought that Paul McGann was great, even if the US production as a whole was pretty dodgy. When will the Beeb get its finger out and do a proper series starring our good friend "Marwood"?? :) ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 07:54:22 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:54:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... In-Reply-To: <199701200506.XAA16951@mx3.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jan 19, 97 11:06:31 pm Message-ID: > The Love In Space EP will be released but the band are waiting for some > things to come together beforehand so that the single will have the best > chance of getting decent media exposure. > They feel that this is the best chance for ages to get some real success > with a single and want to wait until the conditions are right until they > release it. Which I must confess leaves me wondering what those conditions are ... media exposure for HW in this day and age when no one gets any promotion unless lots of money changes hands between record company and media execs? Seriously, I am mystified ... How does HW attract the attention of the media in a culture where the most popular music is either the same old 120 beats a minute every minute all night long or upper middle class pseudo-Cockneys? Jam out live in Portobello Road? :) [which would certainly be the coolest thing that's happened there in a while!] Well, as long as I'm making unreasonable requests (release Live 74, release LiS EP, etc. :) I may as well ask what plans regarding the next album might be? Must be going to be awhile if they're off touring all summer. And everyone seems to take months and months to make albums these days. I think they came quicker before we had all this labour saving high technology stuff around :) Damned computers .... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 08:00:34 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:00:34 +0000 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Jan 20, 97 12:31:52 pm Message-ID: > > Hawkwind - `Hawkwind' (genuine UA release, now running > >again after it refused to play to Carl the other night... ) > > This is a hazard of playing HW tapes to Carl - I tried to play him the most > excellent Calvert-vocal, keyboard-heavy, "Brainstorm" off Weird 105 last year, > and it steadfastly refused. It was fine in the car later on, though! :) I must be sending out weird interference ... And speaking of weird interference, I might as well probe for info on the release of the Weird Tapes to CD. Hey, and over the holidays I got an incredible live tape from Reading 1992 (courtesy of Scott Heller--thanks Scott!). Obviously a soundboard recording and damn fine sounding. This entire bloody concert should have been released on a double CD. It's the best post-HotMG Hawkwind I've heard, I think. Man, I mean, Dave was playing _loads_ of guitar. Did the gain knob fall off his amp between then and now or something? That show must have been the three piece lineup, just post-ET, but it _rocked_. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jan 20 09:26:05 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:26:05 +0800 Subject: HW: Live 74 in march and other (old?) news.... Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > The Love In Space EP will be released but the band are waiting for some > > things to come together beforehand so that the single will have the best > > chance of getting decent media exposure. > > They feel that this is the best chance for ages to get some real success > > with a single and want to wait until the conditions are right until they > > release it. > > Which I must confess leaves me wondering what those conditions > are ... media exposure for HW in this day and age when no one gets any > promotion unless lots of money changes hands between record company and > media execs? Seriously, I am mystified ... > Maybe they're hoping to use their upcoming world tour as an opportunity to release the EP. It would be a perfect time to market it! > > Well, as long as I'm making unreasonable requests (release Live 74, > release LiS EP, etc. :) I may as well ask what plans regarding the next > album might be? Must be going to be awhile if they're off touring all summer. > And everyone seems to take months and months to make albums these days. > I think they came quicker before we had all this labour saving high > technology stuff around :) > They came quicker before because the band got little opportunity to tour the otherside of the world. Us fans in Australia are particularly grateful this has finally happened. Anyway, don't forget there's also the planned Wierd Tapes CD release(s). It's a good thing HW are not like other bands (eg Pink Floyd) who only seem to release anything new every five years!!! William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 10:36:53 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:36:53 GMT Subject: HW: video list In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:03:34 -0600 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > Hi Bernhard, > I think I've got one that isn't on your list that you might > like to know about. In 1982, Dave Brock made up a video from the first night > at Hammersmith on the Choose Your Masques tour. There were only 200 made of > this and it was sold directly from the Devon PO Box number that Kris used to > run. > > I know that only 200 were made because Brock has written so on the label of > the video in a message to my brother (the man responsible for starting me > off on Hawkwind in the first place) who ordered the video and has it still > (although I taped the soundtrack when he wasn't looking:) > > It's filmed from the back of the Odeon but the actual film quality is pretty > good, although you can't see much of the band due to the back lighting they > used on that tour. It is the whole show and has rehearsal footage tacked on > the fill up the 3 hour tape. > > I can't remember the actual date, but I'm sure you have it down. I think > that it was the first night, but I can't be sure (the 21st rings a bell). I > can check up for your records. > > Hope that adds to your list. I ordered from that run and mine is from Edinburgh Playhouse security camera with four tracks tacked on to the end from somewhere else. As you say, you can't see much of the band but it was a great gig! > All the best, > Dale FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jan 20 11:43:11 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:43:11 +0100 Subject: HW: video list Message-ID: At 23:03 19.01.97 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Bernhard, > I think I've got one that isn't on your list that you might >like to know about. In 1982, Dave Brock made up a video from the first night >at Hammersmith on the Choose Your Masques tour. Thanks for the info Dale. But it looks like this could be the EDINBURGH 20.10.1982 video. Are you absolutely sure that it is from LONDON 12/13.11.1982 ?? Your description about this video fits perfectly to the EDINBURGH video I have cu Bernhard From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 12:16:14 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:16:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can just about understand that a group might have recording deal problems which stop them from putting out new material (XTC for example). So I don't feel too bad about the lack of new records; but the unchanging set list is a pretty poor show. I went off the Who when I noticed that they were doing the same show year in, year out (except that maybe two numbers from their latest album would be slotted in). The only reason that I can think of for not changing a set is that the band do not want to rehearse; either because there are personality or logistical problems, or that they simply cannot be bothered. If this new album really does come out, I will be disappointed if the touring set does not include at least four numbers from it. - Mike Godwin From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 20 14:28:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:28:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Thankful for small things. Message-ID: Apologies to anyone on the list who may or may not have felt that a lot of my recent comments concerning BOC were negative. Really not the point I was trying to make. Thanks Al for lending some understanding to the whole debate. tBS being a labor of love goes a long way in explaining the quality of the first three disc. May there be many, many, many more to come. As for BOC the wait will be worth it, whenever the new one comes along. >From all the debate, rumors and excerpts from the AOL chat recently I+ll take one last dip in the speculation pool. If the majority of songs are recorded they are certainly the closest they have been in years to a record deal. Having some music in the can has to help more than simply talking about possibilities with record companies. Just the fact they took time off from touring to record the songs shows they do have an interest in getting us, the fans, some new tunes to listen too. Finally, I think this band still cares about its fans. They have been touring non-stop for years now without a new disc to peddle. Maybe they do make some money doing this but they have not stopped or let the fact that they don+t have a new disc keep them from bringing their music to us. May all BOC-l subscribers be in the hall on the night when these bands are in the same place and jam together as musicians and friends. L8er lil ab *************************************** I'll sit myself behind that clock and play tunes on it's belfry Five fingers have I to play them like ten ten fingers have I to play them again In decimal chains whose mimic cry whose notes will never, never fly Until they quit those timely tunes and entered that system from outside ***************************************** From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jan 20 13:51:25 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:51:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the gig-list (attached ZIP-file, MIME coded) Hope you like it Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hw-gigs.ZIP Type: application/octet-stream Size: 44546 bytes Desc: not available URL: From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 20 14:15:54 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:15:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: Hi, I am running a workstation (digital unix 2.0). How do I process the file that Bernhard just posted?? Thanks Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 20 14:17:45 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:17:45 -0500 Subject: HW: video list Message-ID: Dale writes >used on that tour. It is the whole show and has rehearsal footage tacked on >the fill up the 3 hour tape. You mean Hawkwind _rehearse_, surely not :-) :-) :-) Martyn From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jan 20 15:43:15 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:43:15 GMT Subject: HW: gig list Message-ID: Hi everyone Thanks Bernhard for the gig listing you sent. Can anyone tell me who SA and MI and RI our? And has any one hawkwind tour been fully bootleged at every concert? Becasue if not I can't wait to see it happen (I may even manged to get to a hawkwind concert one day (or may be a whole tour but that's to much of a dream.) Tim From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jan 20 16:01:30 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:01:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: > I am running a workstation (digital unix 2.0). How do > I process the file that Bernhard just posted?? If you've got a mime-complaint mail reader program, then it should have allowed you to process the encoded data and save it to a file. If you don't, then you can possibly run the data through a separate decoder program, such as piping it through 'metamail'. If you have no such program, then you might be able to download one. If you can't find one, then you're toast. After this, you're left with a ZIP file. Use the 'unzip' program to unzip it. If you don't have unzip, you can probably download it. If you can't find it, then you're toast. After this, you're left with a DOC file. You'll need some kind of word processor program that can read multiple formats including this, and I think 'applix' might do the trick. If you don't have a program that will read these, and can't find one, then you're toast. Hope this helps. -Ken CDs for sale or trade: http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 20 18:42:08 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:42:08 +1000 Subject: HW: Gig list In-Reply-To: <9701201915.AA09194@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On 20 Jan 97 at 14:15, Martyn White wrote: > I am running a workstation (digital unix 2.0). How do > I process the file that Bernhard just posted?? Martyn, If you have any trouble getting the file, I can put it up on our ftp site so you (and others) can download it. Let me know, and I'll put it on there in various formats (as a ZIP archive, Word Doc, RTF, Plain Text .... let me know what you need) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Jan 20 20:59:54 1997 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:59:54 -0700 Subject: BOC: Give 'em a break? Message-ID: Well said Carl. James Coburn Albuquerque, New Mexico ************************************************************************** > I could have clipped some of that except it all hits it right on >the head for me! I'm not an "old timer" by any definition, having not >quite been born in time for the first BOC album I think :) but I like >plenty of bands from "back then" (including HW) and many of them are still >putting out material which if not absolutely top notch is still good >enough to command my respect. > > Which is why I get pissed off at 3OC. Maybe I should give them >"a break" but I don't really feel like it. Maybe they're happy doing >what they're doing, but I can't really say I care--maybe it's selfish >but *I*want*new*BOC* and I'm gonna whinge when I don't get it! :) > > Hell, I've gone to see 3OC a few times and liked it, heard some >of the new tunes and liked them ... I even liked the Bad Channels tracks >which generally take a lot of abuse here! And I don't see why it should >be so hard for them to come up with an album!? Other bands have been >doing it. John says it for me: I would like BOC to give me a reason to >continue to care about the band _now_. I know they used to be able to >do it and don't see any reason why they couldn't do it again. I don't >expect them to chart seriously or sell out stadiums, but it'd be nice >to go to a show and not see exactly the same thing you saw the last 4 times. > > So, yeah, I _am_ critical of the band--not because I hate them >or something, but because as a fan I (rightly or wrongly) expect support >from the band in terms of new releases in return for my support seeing >them live and buying their albums. I feel somewhat let down by BOC in >that they are not doing what I feel they could or even should be doing. >That is the source of my displeasure. No one will be happier than I >if they actually manage to get a new album out! > >Cheers, >Carl > >************************************************************************ >Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jan 21 03:37:19 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:37:19 -0700 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi folks > > Here is the gig-list Thank you!! I appreciate the trouble you've gone to!! Pam > > Bernhard > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: Even if BOC have been dropped by their record company, I am sure that someone like Castle Communications would take them on. This is the sort of thing that is right up their street - they did a remarkably good job when they took on those AOR dinosaurs Jefferson Starship in 95, so BOC, who may be dinosaurs but are not AOR should be no problem. If they don't put anything out, it won't be for lack of a record deal, imho. Martin From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 04:02:42 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:02:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: <32E28D95.7608@pi.net> Message-ID: As someone who has been watching British TV on and off for some 35 years (I can't quite remember when I started!) I would say that there is very little difference between the supposed 'state' TV channels and those funded by advertising. When it boils down to it the interests of government and the corporate world are the same, and this is reflected in the basic similarities between commercial and uncommercial. The major difference, to my mind, is that the commercial populist channel is far tackier than the uncommercial populist channel, but that is hardly surprising. Martin On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Jerry wrote: > Martyn White wrote: > > > This may seem silly to you but the system provides the money > > to run channels (BBC1 and BBC2) that are free of commercials and thus > > the need to pamper to the needs of the advertisers. To some > > extent this has served to provide some good quality programs that > > otherwise would not have seen the light of day. On the other hand > > it is "state" TV and subject to the abuses of government censorship > > Hey, that I did not know. In Holland, it's 'public', but not as in 'state' tv. The gov > does not interfere and does not censor. Some stations do, however. > > Censorship? Ha, this reminds me of the pay channel we watched for a couple of minutes in > a Las Vegas hotel. That was an American blue movie and you had to pay for watching > that! Hahahaha! Hilarious! > > Jerry > > "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" > - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' > From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 05:07:03 1997 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (/|/|ike |/|/right) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:07:03 +0000 Subject: LEMMY: was on TV Message-ID: Dear UK BOCLers Did anyone other than me see the Girlie Show on last Friday or Saturday? There was an appearance from a dapper looking Lemmy. This being the girlie show he didn't get a chance to say much, but he was reunited with 3 old flames, who (contrary to the usual tradition of the girlie show) didn't embarrass him. Honestly that was about it, but it does mean I've got to see a clean shaven Lemmy. Mike From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 06:31:01 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:31:01 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:20:10 -0800 Message-ID: Jerry writes: > > P.S.: I understand the reason for the license fee now, and now that I > > know the logic, I think I can actually agree with it. Just not the > > extreme punishments. > > Fine is 100%. So, if they don't catch you in one year, at least you broke even. But they > /do/ check... I thought the fine was up to 400 Pounds with the fee currently 89 Pounds? > Jerry FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 06:32:31 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:32:31 GMT Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:00:34 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Hey, and over the holidays I got an incredible live tape from Reading > 1992 (courtesy of Scott Heller--thanks Scott!). Obviously a soundboard > recording and damn fine sounding. This entire bloody concert should have > been released on a double CD. It's the best post-HotMG Hawkwind I've heard, > I think. Man, I mean, Dave was playing _loads_ of guitar. Did the gain > knob fall off his amp between then and now or something? That show must > have been the three piece lineup, just post-ET, but it _rocked_. You should get hold of Brighton '92! The version of 7x7 on that is outstanding. > Cheers, > Carl FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 06:33:48 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:33:48 GMT Subject: HW: video list In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:08:54 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: This list could be improved a lot with notes saying which official and semi-official videos these clips are from. Mike "My Tuppenceworth" Holmes :-) > Hi folks > > Let's start with a small list > > This list contains all known HAWKWIND official > and inofficial (bootleg) videos: > > Some videos are complete gigs, other videos are only 5 minutes pieces > > *) = official > > Here it goes: > > TOWN HALL DATE > =================================== > Dunstable Civic Hall 07.07.72*) > Newcastle City Hall 19.09.76 > London Marc Bolan Show 14.09.77*) > Newcastle City Hall 20.09.77 > Baden Baden Studio 14.02.81*) > Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81*) > Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82*) > Cricket St.Th Wildlife Park 04.06.83*) > Ipswich Gaumont 09.03.84*) > Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84*) > Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.84 > Manchester International 10.02.85 > London Television 16.04.85*) > Norwich Earlham Park 31.08.85*) > London Hammersmith Odeon 03.12.85*) > Bristol Festival 20.06.86*) > Reading Festival 24.08.86*) > Preston Guild Hall 03.12.86*) > Bochum Zeche 31.05.87 > Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.08.87 > Bridport Beehive 10.03.89*) > Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.07.89*) > Toronto Spectrum 24.09.89 > Somerville East Cabaret 27.09.89 > Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.09.89 > Chicago Lounge Axe 01.10.89 > Santa Clara One Step Byond 09.10.89 > Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.01.90*) > Bournemouth Academy 02.07.90*) > Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 > Washington Club 9:30 02.12.90 > Cleveland Empire 06.12.90 > Chicago Cubby Bear 07.12.90 > Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 08.12.90 > Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 > Denver Mercury Club 13.12.90 > Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 > San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 > Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 > Bochum Zeche 19.03.91 > Toronto Phoenix 16.05.91 > Gteborg Magasinet 28.09.91 > Gimme ShelterSessions 01.01.92*) > Hemel Pavillon 08.05.92 > Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.05.92 > Brixton Academy 15.08.92*) > Pentrich Festival 31.07.93*) > Stuttgart Rhre 07.12.93 > Genua Albatross 19.10.94 > Spilimbergo Rototron 22.10.94 > Springfield Jaxx 08.04.95 > Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.04.95 > Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.04.95 > Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.95 > Bristol Colston Hall 19.10.95*) > Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 > London VH1 14.04.96*) > Burg Herzberg Festival 21.07.96 > > That's all > > If you wish, the tapes, gigs and track-listings will come later this week > as ZIP-files (MIME coded) > > > Bernhard From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 06:36:25 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:36:25 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws In-Reply-To: QUEST's message of Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:38:39 -0600 Message-ID: QUEST writes: > One that comes to my mind is the following: > In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says > nothing about the *father* of the child. The father of the child can't get pregnant in or out of wedlock. Your mother will explain this when you're older. > The law is just one of many that > the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other > single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an > example, of course. Weird... 'cordin' to the stats I read, this worked. > Damon Mike "Sarcasm'R'Us" Holmes ;-) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 06:39:13 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:39:13 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws in the UK In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:10:42 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Also speaking as a person who has experienced both the US and UK > television systems, I can completely agree with all this. The TV license > in the UK basically is like a mandatory public television system except > without fund drives :) Ya sends in your "donation" and Auntie Beeb > sends you the good stuff. Not that I'm in favour of state coercion or anything but the licence fee did pay for the 12 live Hawkwind tapes from the 70's that the BBC have allegedly dug up and are allegedly in discussion with Hawkmanagement about releasing. I can forgive 'em a couple of runs of "Birds of a Feather" for that. > Cheers, > Carl FoFP From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 07:02:38 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:02:38 GMT Subject: HW: Live gigs Message-ID: Hi My borther was at the 1992 Brighton gig. Is there any where, where I can buy a copy of it? It was his first and only hawkwind gig so it would be nice to hear it again for him (and more importantly for me) Tim From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 21 07:51:18 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:51:18 -0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws everywhere Message-ID: Lots of editing: >QUEST wrote: >> BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! I can't believe it. You Brits have to pay for a --snip-- >Hehe, same as in Holland. But here you cannot be arrested for --snip-- >commercials. Far better programs as well - this accounts for both >Dutch and British public broadcasting corps. > >Why not put this fee with the rest of the taxes, I don't know. People >without tv do not have to pay, alright, but who doesn't have a tv, >you might ask. > >Jerry In Britain, more than you'd think: after I left home, I never had a television until I started co-habiting with the woman who became my wife, and I know a number of people who didn't have TVs & were harassed over a period of time by the licensing authority, who having no record of a license for the address kept going back to check that there wasn't one hidden away somewhere. There have also been cases of people who successfully defended the position of only having a TV for use as a monitor with one of the old-type home computers - the license is not for the TV itself, but for RECEIVING broadcasts - I don't know if it is still the case, but there used to be a radio only license dating back to the days before TV: BBC radio is also funded from the fee. Hope those ramblings made some sense... Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 08:43:07 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:43:07 +0000 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Hawkwind - `Hawkwind' (genuine UA release, now running > > >again after it refused to play to Carl the other night... ) > > > > This is a hazard of playing HW tapes to Carl - I tried to play him the most > > excellent Calvert-vocal, keyboard-heavy, "Brainstorm" off Weird 105 last year, > > and it steadfastly refused. It was fine in the car later on, though! :) > > I must be sending out weird interference ... And am I mad, or do I remember you telling me about one of Ben Cash's Weird Tapes dying as he tried to play it to you? I reckon it's something in the glasses, personally... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jan 21 10:37:10 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:10 +0100 Subject: HW: track-listings Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the track-list (again attached ZIP-file, and MIME coded) Hope you like it again Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hw-tracks.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29783 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jan 21 10:37:27 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Line-Ups Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the line-up-list (attached DOC-file, MIME coded) Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lineup.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 16896 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jan 21 10:37:33 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Live gigs Message-ID: Hi Tim At 12:02 21.01.97 GMT, you wrote: >My borther was at the 1992 Brighton gig. Is there any where, where I can buy a >copy of it? It was his first and only hawkwind gig so it would be nice to hear >it again for him (and more importantly for me) You can swap it for something else... Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 21 10:53:44 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:53:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: Well, I usually don't like to comment on multiple threads in the same post (I think it gets tough for people to respond, and of course the headers soon become off-topic). But, since I've been away for a few days, don't have time to post a whole bunch of seperate responses (which alot of folks might not want to read anyway), and since it's my birthday and I'm gonna do whatever the f**k I want . . . ;-) Andy says: >But if there's one reason I'm "negative" about BOC, it's _Cult Classic_ - I admit I was a bit dubious about it as I bought it, but I was hoping for best-ever versions of classic tunes, revitalised and reinterpreted for the nineties. This may be the single biggest reason for BOC-L's "negative" attitude toward BOC these days, even if some of you don't realize it. I think that the tone on BOC-L was much more positive prior to this release. Back in 1993 and early '94, BOC was doing 3 or 4 "new songs" live, and promising a "new album" that would include these and others soon. Of course the date kept getting pushed back, and what we got was NOT the new stuff, but a re-hash (and in most cases, in most folks opinions, a bad re-hash) of past BOC tunes. True, CC has it's good points (e.g. studio version of "Buck's Boogie"), but overall the performances seem somewhat stale (perhaps they didn't take enough time off the road to record?), and not terribly well-mixed (unfamiliarity with digital recording technology?). I hadn't thought this before, but I think alot of us BOC-L "old timers" became most (pick your adjective - cynical, critical, negative, pissed-off, etc.) around that time. Adrian jokes: >"Eric Bloom rolled up to the mic in his wheel chair and belted out the standard opener "Stairway to the Stars..." >From one of Eric's old raps during "7 Screaming Diz-busters": "I can see myself 50 years from today. I'll be in the old rock-n-roll stars home. I'll be sitting right next to Jeff Beck and Elton John. We'll be in jet- powered wheelchairs. Doin' drag-races and wheelies down the hall - and grabbin' all the nurses - heh heh heh heh. But one day, maybe that dude in the sharkskin suit's gonna come up to me and say 'Hey boy - you're 95 years old. I've come to take you away...'" There's been a fair amount of mumbling about wishing that the original line-up will get together again. We can all dream, but I HOPE everyone here fully understands that 1) it isn't likely to happen, and 2) both Al and BOC are happier for it. Albert has stated here several times that he has no intention or desire to re-join a band that he left OVER 15 YEARS AGO (Imaginos work and his 2-week "fill-in" work in 1985 not withstanding). I'm not as sure as to how Joe feels, but certainly he has been out of BOC for over 10 years now, and is doing his own thing. Seeing that he's not actively involved in a band, perhaps he has less desire to do that sort of thing, and prefers the teaching work he's been doing (along with his other projects - like brewing beer?). I don't know how Al and 3OC feel about our discussions - maybe Al feels a bit flattered that we say that BOC ain't the same without him, but I would think he gets tired of answering questions of "why did he leave?" and "is he ever coming back?" and would much rather talk about tBS. As far as 3OC goes, they can't be too excited to be spending time talking about a guy who hasn't been in the band for 15 years . . . Jack (who doen't add his $0.02 here too often, but should feel free to) says: >Me, I'll just continue enjoying the music I already have, continue my praise for band members, both present and past, and of course, always hope for new material:) This is my "philosophy" too -- only problem is, it seems (and perhaps more so on BOC-L, although I haven't been on AOL long enough to assess this) that people get tired of talking about that. What I mean is, you "typically" see new folks talking about how great the band is, their favorite concert experiences, wanting to ask folks what their favorit album is, etc., and after awhile, you either post less, or you spend more time complaining about the things you don't like. Not to pick on anyone, but Theo has been fairly vocal here recently about his issues with the band these days -- you should have heard this guy when he first joined BOC-L! He was always talking (or replying) very upbeat, recounting his fond memories, talking excitely about BOC, etc. He seems a little more "restrained" in that regard these days (note: Theo - no offense is meant by this observation of mine, and I'm not saying that your are a worse person than you used to be or anything like that - and while I only know you through your BOC-L posts, I hope I haven't been too inaccurate in what I've said here). Of course, maybe us "old timers" have corrupted him to our way of thinking...if so, you could be next Jack! ;-) Manuel sez: >Hey Theo; How about the Astronomy CD Single? Been looking for that one for years... I think there may be a few people looking for this. Anyone who finds a copy ought to pick it up and post to BOC-L if you wish to sell it (you might be able to make yourself a minor profit on the deal). I haven't seen one for a few years now - I saw one in a Boston-area store, posted info here, and Carl swooped down and picked it up before most of you probably even read the post. Andy also said: >But if and when, I'll definitely be buying the new album, and I'll do my best >to "listen without prejudice". I think this will be true of most BOC fans here. Most of us won't believe it until we see it perhaps, but I suspect that we'll all buy it when it comes out (of course, assuming it's not another compilation!). I'm betting that some of us will think it's the greatest thing since *Box of Hammers*, some of us will think it's little improvement over *Club Ninja* - but most of us will be happy to have it regardless. It will be discussed EXTENSIVELY here on BOC-L -- we'll pick it apart track by track, maybe even note by note. We will like some of the tunes, dis-like others, and probably not come to alot of universal conclusions on it (other than, "It's about time!"). When that album does come out - everyone on BOC-L can probably expect your e-mail load to double. Hawkwind-only fans will no doubt scream at us when we forget to use the filter headings... ;-) Dan (while drinking heavily by his own admission) writes: >WHY CAN'T ERIC (or Buck... or Allen or...) EVEN TRY TO BE MEMBERS OF BOC-L. What could possibly happen? Nobody will harm them in anyway (...hell the worst thing ever will happen a person is that he'll be killed... and that is a very hard thing to do with the net as the only tool... and I don't believe that anyone on this list will even try to harm anyone of 3OC). Are they cowards or what??? Maybe, but I think the answer is the following: Eric and Buck are quite happy with their on-line community of fans on AOL, and aren't particularly interested (and perhaps don't have the time) to expand. Maybe they've heard bad things about BOC-L in the past - but maybe they don't want to be innundated with an extra 20-50+ e-mails a day that they don't have the time or desire to go through. Other than Eric's interest in some of the Moorcock stuff, they probably have no interest in Hawkwind. So, I don't think it's fear - I think they just choose to stay where they are. >If they don't dare to confrontate fans of all kind... are they then really worthy to have any fans at all? Ah Dan, too much alchohol for you...;-) Why should they feel that they should participate on every on-line BOC forum there is? They've probably got enough to do with recording, touring, family life, etc. Don't take it personally that those things conflict with them joining BOC-L... >I am not very found of these discussions when we are discussing why BOC did that and why they didn't do that and so on... when there is a resonable way for Bloom&co to speak up and tell us the way it's. Quite frankly, even if BOC was on BOC-L, we might not get the answers we seek. Eric and Buck are not exactly extremely forthcoming on AOL as to what's going on. Those of us also on AOL report to BOC-L what they say as far as future plans - you don't hear much because not that much is always said. So, you shouldn't feel that you're more "in the dark" than AOL's BOC fans as to what the band is up to. Carl says: (in response to one of my posts) > I could have clipped some of that except it all hits it right on the head for me! Well, sometimes I get lucky... ;-)\ >I'm not an "old timer" by any definition, Carl, I'd qualify you as a "BOC-L old timer"... >but *I*want*new*BOC* and I'm gonna whinge when I don't get it! :) See? We ARE all fans -- we are all bitchin' because WE WANT OUR BOC!! >I even liked the Bad Channels tracks which generally take a lot of abuse here! I like 'em too -- not the best lyrics, but they are pretty heavy. I hope the new album will continue this. My suspicion is that it will show "flashes" of this heaviness (tunes like "See You in Black" and "Power Underneath Despair") but due to the prevalence of tunes that Buck has written (and sings) that is expected to be on the album, I suspect that it will overall not be as heavy as those 2 Bad Channels tracks (which, btw, I believe will NOT be on the new album). > So, yeah, I _am_ critical of the band--not because I hate them or something, but because as a fan I (rightly or wrongly) expect support from the band in terms of new releases in return for my support seeing them live and buying their albums. And I HOPE that points like this will not be lost on the band -- as I posted a week or so ago, BOC's fan base continues to dwindle, and alot of their shows probably consist of a significant portion of "die-hard" fans -- BOC MUST think more of catering to these fans, because if they go, I seriously doubt BOC can even hang on as a nostalgia act. They must give their long-time fans more of a reason to support them than simply doing the same setlist ad infinitum... Jazza muses: > The way Buck talks about `the band' reminds me of something that floated through BOC-L last year, that Buck wanted to hang it all up and stick to Buck stuff, but EB kept persuading him out of it. In which case, we do owe Eric _some_ thanks! But I think half the problem with 3OC is that Buck's not really happy with it, and Eric has nothing else to do. My guess is that both Eric and Buck (and probably the rest of the band) realize that BOC is still their best bet for making a living, and I do think that they enjoy doing it. I think Buck's frustrations stem from wanting to do more of his own stuff which doesn't necessarily fit the BOC vein, but for whatever reasons he can't do as Al did and do an independent release of his own stuff. Perhaps Eric's fairly-recent vocal problems have been somewhat beneficial to Buck in the sense that he's carried the band more live over the past 6 months or so than at any point in their career (note: I'm not trying to suggest any personal tensions between Buck and Eric), and I do know that he has probably written at least half the material that will be on the new album. So, Buck may be happier in BOC today than he had been in the past. > What Allen thinks of all of it I would love to know, because you never hear diddly about/from him... Funny, 'cuz I've got a few interviews with him in magazines from the 70s. He certainly had his opinions and beliefs to share - but he seems to have become a completely silent member of the band these days. There were hints that Allen was writing tunes awhile back, but I've heard no definite mention of Allen writing anything for the new album. > It strikes me that if (dream) tBS and BOC ever played a gig together, or Al did a guest drums appearance or something (like Lemmy did occasionally for HW on bass), the conflict zone would not be Al vs. DR, but Deb vs. EB... LOL - yep, while I think Buck and Al could be onstage together again someday, I can't picture Eric and Deb every sharing a stage (except maybe for a boxing match or something) ;-) Mike suggests: >The only reason that I can think of for not changing a set is that the band do not want to rehearse; either because there are personality or logistical problems, or that they simply cannot be bothered. I'm sure that this is a factor... >If this new album really does come out, I will be disappointed if the touring set does not include at least four numbers from it. They'd be stupid to NOT do a few numbers from it - can't convince fans at the shows to pick up their new album if you don't at least let them hear a few of the new tunes. I expect Eric to hype the album when it's out (I still recall seeing them in '94 and at least 4 times he said, "O.K. we're gonna do another number now from our *Cult Classics* album..."). Since the band has done 7 of the new tunes at shows (not all at once, but in '92 they were doing up to 4 new tunes at a show), so they are certainly capable of doing them live. They've been doing 1 or 2 new ones over the past year or 2. I'm guessing that they'll do 3. And finally, Adrian wishes: >May all BOC-l subscribers be in the hall on the night when these bands are in the same place and jam together as musicians and friends. Would be a glorious day indeed. Tell me when and where, and me and my bass will be there. (with a six-pack or 2 of Anchor Steam?) :-) O.K., I've got to get SOME work done today...;-) John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 11:41:59 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:41:59 GMT Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? Message-ID: I'm making up a tape for a Moorcock fan. It would be useful to have a list of Moorcock poetry and tracks (or directly Moorcock related tracks) which don't appear on Warrior, Space Ritual, CYM or either Chronicles. Dates of live tapes would be particularly useful. Any help from the assembled experts out there appreciated... FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 21 11:44:46 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:44:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: I had asked: > I am running a workstation (digital unix 2.0). How do > I process the file that Bernhard just posted?? Ken replied: >If you've got a mime-complaint mail reader program, then it should have >allowed you to process the encoded data and save it to a file. >If you don't, then you can possibly run the data through a separate >decoder program, such as piping it through 'metamail'. If you have >no such program, then you might be able to download one. If you can't >find one, then you're toast. > >After this, you're left with a ZIP file. Use the 'unzip' program to >unzip it. If you don't have unzip, you can probably download it. >If you can't find it, then you're toast. AAAAAARRGGHHHHH. I'm toast. I find this sort of thing really annoying. Surely the files aren't _that_ big such that this kind of encoding is necessary before they are posted. PLEASE READ * I propose that we make a rule on this list that all posts *are operating system independent. Not everbody likes microsoft! Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 21 11:46:40 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:46:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig list Message-ID: >If you have any trouble getting the file, I can put it up on our ftp >site so you (and others) can download it. Let me know, and I'll put >it on there in various formats (as a ZIP archive, Word Doc, RTF, >Plain Text .... let me know what you need) > >Paul Thanks Paul. If it is not too much trouble, could you mail me Bernhards list as plain text files Ta Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 12:42:38 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:42:38 GMT Subject: HW: Gig list In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > I had asked: > > I am running a workstation (digital unix 2.0). How do > > I process the file that Bernhard just posted?? > > Ken replied: > > >If you've got a mime-complaint mail reader program, then it should have > >allowed you to process the encoded data and save it to a file. > >If you don't, then you can possibly run the data through a separate > >decoder program, such as piping it through 'metamail'. If you have > >no such program, then you might be able to download one. If you can't > >find one, then you're toast. > > > >After this, you're left with a ZIP file. Use the 'unzip' program to > >unzip it. If you don't have unzip, you can probably download it. > >If you can't find it, then you're toast. > > AAAAAARRGGHHHHH. I'm toast. I find this sort of thing > really annoying. Surely the files aren't _that_ big such that this > kind of encoding is necessary before they are posted. heh! I'm in this position too although I do at least have access to a pc address as well. I assume though that most large files are made up under pc wordprocessing packages these days and don't translate into ascii email very well without encoding. But I could be wrong! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jan 21 12:46:53 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:46:53 +0100 Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? Message-ID: Hi Mike At 16:41 21.01.97 GMT, you wrote: >I'm making up a tape for a Moorcock fan. It would be useful to have a >list of Moorcock poetry and tracks (or directly Moorcock related tracks) >which don't appear on Warrior, Space Ritual, CYM or either Chronicles. >Dates of live tapes would be particularly useful. Any help from the >assembled experts out there appreciated... TOWN HALL DATE DAY TIME ========================================= Southampton Top Rank 25.07.73 Wed 100 Harlow Park Festival 10.08.74 Sat 70 Preston Guild Hall 20.10.80 Mon 80 London Rainbow 18.12.81 Fri 120 London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Fri 120 London Hammersmith 13.03.84 Tue 110 London Hammersmith 14.03.84 Wed 120 Oxford Apollo 17.03.84 Sat 120 London Hammersmith 03.12.85 Tue 115 London Hammersmith 04.12.85 Wed 115 Hope that helps Bernhard From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jan 21 12:59:40 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:59:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >>Hey Theo; How about the Astronomy CD Single? Been looking for that one >for years... > >I think there may be a few people looking for this. Anyone who finds a >copy ought to pick it up and post to BOC-L if you wish to sell it (you >might be able to make yourself a minor profit on the deal). I haven't >seen one for a few years now - I saw one in a Boston-area store, posted >info here, and Carl swooped down and picked it up before most of you >probably even read the post. well, I found the Astronomy *vinyl* 12" this very day while checking the hw bins. \\joe From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jan 21 13:22:28 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:22:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: John said : >Albert has stated here several times >that he has no intention or desire to re-join a band that he left >OVER 15 YEARS AGO (Imaginos work and his 2-week "fill-in" work in 1985 >not withstanding). > (snip) >maybe Al feels >a bit flattered that we say that BOC ain't the same without him, but I >would think he gets tired of answering questions of "why did he leave?" >and "is he ever coming back?" and would much rather talk about tBS. I agree wholeheartedly. If I were Al I'd certainly be very tired of all those questions. In fact, I'm amazed that he sticked with us so long (although I don't know how long it's been - when did he join BOC-L ?)... In any case, I suggest we try to calm down a little and give him a break. Maybe we should even consider adding in the welcome message to new subscribers a message stating that such matters shouldn't be discussed, or whatever. And about the new BOC album : >It will be >discussed EXTENSIVELY here on BOC-L -- we'll pick it apart track by track, >maybe even note by note. Very likely indeed ! *laugh* >I think Buck's frustrations stem from >wanting to do more of his own stuff which doesn't necessarily fit the >BOC vein, but for whatever reasons he can't do as Al did and do an >independent release of his own stuff. This is weird though. He already did a solo album and I don't see what could stop him from doing another. Many members from other bands have done it, still do it and will continue doing so in the future, so why not Buck ? Or Eric or Allen, for that matter ? Now wouldn't that be cool, solo albums from all BOC members ?... :-) Of course, to do that they'd definitely have to slow down on their touring habits first ! >There >were hints that Allen was writing tunes awhile back, but I've heard no >definite mention of Allen writing anything for the new album. Hmm... maybe a solo project ? *grin* >>May all BOC-l subscribers be in the hall on the night when these bands >are in the same place and jam together as musicians and friends. > >Would be a glorious day indeed. Tell me when and where, and me and my >bass will be there. (with a six-pack or 2 of Anchor Steam?) :-) Yes. But not likely to happen, I fear. I think the chances of having all BOC-L subscribers in the same venue at the same time are just as thin as having the two bands play a gig together. May time prove me wrong :-o Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jan 21 09:38:43 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:38:43 +0000 Subject: HW : BBC Tapes In-Reply-To: <9701211139.aa23938@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9701211139.aa23938 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Not that I'm in favour of state coercion or anything but the licence fee >did pay for the 12 live Hawkwind tapes from the 70's that the BBC have >allegedly dug up and are allegedly in discussion with Hawkmanagement >about releasing. > >I can forgive 'em a couple of runs of "Birds of a Feather" for that. >FoFP What!!? Where did you hear that? When are they from? Early '70's? Nik? Lemmy? Bob? ??????? Huh????!!!! -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 21 13:52:58 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:52:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >well, I found the Astronomy *vinyl* 12" this very day while checking the hw bins. \\joe Does it have the "Wild King" Mix on it? I'd really like to hear that version, which I think is only available as a b-side to one of the vinyl singles (another sin of omission on *Workshop of the Telescopes*!). I'd be interested in getting a copy of this (the orig. vinyl or a taped version), and I've got a few BOC things I could offer in trade. John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Jan 21 14:12:27 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:12:27 GMT Subject: HW : BBC Tapes In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:38:43 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9701211139.aa23938 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > > >Not that I'm in favour of state coercion or anything but the licence fee > >did pay for the 12 live Hawkwind tapes from the 70's that the BBC have > >allegedly dug up and are allegedly in discussion with Hawkmanagement > >about releasing. > >FoFP > > What!!? Where did you hear that? I think that may be secret but it's a Source Close to Hawkmanagement. > When are they from? Early '70's? That's my understanding. > Nik? > Lemmy? Bob? ??????? I'd expect good odds on that trio being on at least some of the tapes. What I don't know is if there's any video. Still, it'd be good if this panned out... > Jon Browne FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jan 21 14:20:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:20:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >If I were Al I'd certainly be very tired of all those questions. In fact, I'm amazed that he sticked with us so long (although I don't know how long it's been - when did he join BOC-L ?)... In any case, I suggest we try to calm down a little and give him a break. Maybe we should even consider adding in the welcome message to new subscribers a message stating that such matters shouldn't be discussed, or whatever. At the risk of sounding like a boot-licker (like it's stopped me before), Al may be tired of this, but he is very polite about the whole thing, both here and in person. At my first tBS show (November of '94 - at the Middle East in Cambridge - a club famous not only for it's music, but also it's belly-dancers), Al chatted after the gig with people at the show. While waiting to introduce myself for the first time in person (I had talked with him via e-mail - both on BOC-L and privately - this was back when I first started working on the FAQ, and I was looking for Albert's input on several things), someone came up to him asking when he left BOC, and why, and if he planned to get back together with them. His responses to this total stranger left a lasting impression on the kind of person Albert is. While I had heard through a few articles in magazines like Kerrang in the 80's of the frosty relations between Al and BOC (with regards to his "firing" and also the whole Imaginos affair), and had originally (prior to him joining BOC-L) a much different impression of the kind of person he was, it was obvious that Albert was not that person. Mind you, at that particular point in time, Albert and I had not yet met face-to-face (o.k., he probably saw me in the crowd during the show - no doubt thinking, 'Who's that nut standing in the front?' ;-) , but I had yet to introduce myself). So, I guess at this point I'm not surprised that Albert still puts up with some of this stuff - knowing how long he's done so (oh, yeah - Albert's been on BOC-L almost 3 years now, I think), and how diplomatic he's been in most cases in talking about "his old band". As far as a warning welcoming message, well, that's probably not appropriate. There is mention of the FAQ, which I suspect might be helpful for some people to get the idea that some topics could be sensitive. But, of course we are all curious (perhaps writing the FAQ was my excuse for my own curiosity - like I could say, "Well, *I* don't want to know, but of course other BOC fans will so I want to put something in the FAQ about it" - boy, if that's the case, it would've just been easier to admit that *I* wanted to know about these things! ;-) ), so I think sometimes the questions are inevitable. Note - Al has been on the last 2 BOC chat sessions on AOL, and both times he was asked something in reference to when he left BOC and why, and what he was doing these days. (BTW, Al, have any of the folks on the chat inquiring about tBS followed through and ordered any of your CDs? I know I sent the Cellsum address to one or two individuals). Then again, Albert has said in the past that you don't go too far in the music business without having some thick skin (mostly to deal with criticism), or something to that effect. Finally, I don't support the idea of telling people certain topics are "off-limits". >This is weird though. He already did a solo album and I don't see what could stop him from doing another. Many members from other bands have done it, still do it and will continue doing so in the future, so why not Buck ? Well, I know that Buck was dissappointed with sales of *Flat Out* - I think he was hoping to establish his own music a bit at that time. But I think he realizes that he will always be known as "the guitarist for Blue Oyster Cult" - not a bad label to have warn, mind you. But, Buck did hint last year of releasing some stuff outside of BOC, and my suspicion is that it will happen sooner or later. I would be willing to bet that if BOC folded before the release of the new album (and no, I'm not trying to imply this - I've heard no rumors to that effect!), then Buck would release his tunes on his own (remember, at least half the stuff on the new album is written by Buck). But, his first priority right now musically is BOC. >Yes. But not likely to happen, I fear. I think the chances of having all BOC-L subscribers in the same venue at the same time are just as thin as having the two bands play a gig together. Thinner than that. But, just like wishing for *Imaginos* to be re-released in the as-intendend, complete (needing at least a double CD) version that never happened, one can always dream... that's not saying I expect it to happen. Just a fantassy distillation of reality, I guess... John From stayer at PI.NET Tue Jan 21 20:56:26 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:56:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: TV license fee & fine Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jerry writes: > > > > P.S.: I understand the reason for the license fee now, and now that I > > > know the logic, I think I can actually agree with it. Just not the > > > extreme punishments. > > > > Fine is 100%. So, if they don't catch you in one year, at least you broke even. But they > > /do/ check... > > I thought the fine was up to 400 Pounds with the fee currently 89 Pounds? The 100% fine is for Holland, I don't know about the UK. Well, now I do. Jerry "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" - Neil Peart (Rush) in 'Witch Hunt' From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Jan 21 14:56:32 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:56:32 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws In-Reply-To: <9701191930.AA07925@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Martyn White wrote: > Damon wrote: > >One that comes to my mind is the following: > >In Idaho, it is illegal to be pregnant out of wedlock. No, the law says > >nothing about the *father* of the child. The law is just one of many that > >the State enacted for the sake of reducing the number of teen- and other > >single-parents. Yes, the State of Idaho does enforce the law - to set an > >example, of course. Weird... > How can they try to enforce a law like this? Surely it would > be turned over on appeal as being unconstitutional? I don't know, and I guess it didn't get up that far. (I could venture a guess that the mother had enough to deal with, what with taking care of the kid and all that, so she ended up not having the time to commit to getting the issue all the way up to the Supreme Court. Or something...) Damon From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Jan 21 16:56:49 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:56:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Usenet Message-ID: Here in North carolina, the University does not believe in supplying us with a USENET server. I have been using a remote site in the UK to read USENET with my web client. However they have recently withdrawn access. Does anyone know of any of any usenet servers allowing remote access. My web searches failed to turn up anything Ta in advance Martyn From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jan 21 17:12:20 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:12:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig list In-Reply-To: <9701211644.AA11468@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: In <9701211644.AA11468 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, on 01/21/97 at 11:44 AM, Martyn White said: > AAAAAARRGGHHHHH. I'm toast. I find this sort of thing really >annoying. Surely the files aren't _that_ big such that this kind of >encoding is necessary before they are posted. Have you checked out the GNU site (sorry I forgot the address)? If you want I'll check around and see what I can find. >PLEASE READ >* I propose that we make a rule on this list that all posts *are >operating system independent. Not everbody likes microsoft! Hear! Hear! MIME is OS independent and I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a MIME capable reader available for Digital Unix. Are you running on a 21164 Alpha chip? Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Jan 21 15:07:56 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:07:56 UT Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? Message-ID: >TOWN HALL DATE DAY TIME >========================================= > >London Rainbow 18.12.81 Fri 120 >London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Fri 120 >London Hammersmith 13.03.84 Tue 110 >London Hammersmith 03.12.85 Tue 115 Hey! I went to these! (The Rainbow one was the best, though, with Bob & Nik in support! :) - Andy From mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Tue Jan 21 17:16:10 1997 From: mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:16:10 CST Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jan 97 11:49:53 EST." <199701211649.LAA26708@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: >Back in 1993 and early '94, BOC was doing 3 or 4 "new songs" live, and >promising a "new album" that would include these and others soon. Of >course the date kept getting pushed back, and what we got was NOT the new >stuff, but a re-hash (and in most cases, in most folks opinions, a bad >re-hash) of past BOC tunes. Actually John, they've been playing the new songs and promising a new album since I saw them in December of '91--FIVE YEARS AGO now. (I still have some postings I made in late '91 and '92, promising new songs.) True, "The Horsemen Arrive" and "Demon's Kiss" turned up on "Bad Channels", but the others ("Harvest Moon", "The Power Underneath Despair", "Still Burnin'" and "The Cold Grey Light of Dawn") have been been promised to appear on a new album since '91/'92. >I hadn't thought this before, but I think alot of us BOC-L >"old timers" became most (pick your adjective - cynical, critical, >negative, pissed-off, etc.) around that time [when Cult Classic was issued]. Yep. Speaking as another "BOC-L Curmudgeon"(tm) you have hit all of the major points for why "we yam what we yam, and that's all that we yam". I guess part of the negative attitude (for me) comes from the fact that I've been handed the "New Album Coming Soon" line for five years now. While I'm as adamant in my belief that no artist should be a slave to their fans, I do expect them (if they are an "active" band) to put forth a good-faith effort to produce _and_release_ new material, or have a good reason for not doing so. I find their "first-class-or-not-at-all" attitude extremely frustrating. I feel like the band has let me as a fan down me down by not finding SOME way to get the material out, and deceived because they keep making this promise and keep failing to deliver on it. I've heard the songs listed above. They're good. I like them. I'll be the first person in line to buy the album which has 'em ON THE DAY IT COMES OUT. But I ain't holding my breath waiting for it. People seem to think that whatever willingness we show in support of the group to be countered by the "we'll believe it when we buy it" sentiment, and lack of belief of Buck and Eric when they promise it "soon" for the umpteenth time in how many years. I'm as willing as the next person to be hopeful and optimistic about the future of BOC--but I refuse to get taken for a ride EVERY time. Excellent article, John. Ted Alger said that he was disappointed that BOC-L wasn't yet another bustling center of fawning idolatry for BOC. I'm glad BOC-L is not. (Though it *would* be Swann's fault if it was.) We're far more interesting this way. :-) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +Cellular subscriber sector?+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ [and that's what we've gotten. :^>] From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 21 16:35:53 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:35:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: As usual, John doesn't talk much, but when he does, he says a lot: > From: John A Swartz > > Andy says: > > >But if there's one reason I'm "negative" about BOC, it's _Cult Classic_ - I > admit I was a bit dubious about it as I bought it, but I was hoping for > best-ever versions of classic tunes, revitalised and reinterpreted for the > nineties. > > This may be the single biggest reason for BOC-L's "negative" attitude > toward BOC these days, even if some of you don't realize it. I think that > the tone on BOC-L was much more positive prior to this release. Back in > 1993 and early '94, BOC was doing 3 or 4 "new songs" live, and promising > a "new album" that would include these and others soon. Of course the date > kept getting pushed back, and what we got was NOT the new stuff, but a > re-hash (and in most cases, in most folks opinions, a bad re-hash) of > past BOC tunes. True, CC has it's good points (e.g. studio version of > "Buck's Boogie"), but overall the performances seem somewhat stale (perhaps > they didn't take enough time off the road to record?), and not terribly > well-mixed (unfamiliarity with digital recording technology?). I hadn't > thought this before, but I think alot of us BOC-L "old timers" became > most (pick your adjective - cynical, critical, negative, pissed-off, etc.) > around that time. > Funny enough, I've always defended CC, though I'm not a BOC-L old-timer, but I am a BOC old timer, as well as a just plain old old-timer [my birthday was last week John!] I like CC because it presents many BOC songs as they have evolved. Granted the production isn't the greatest, but BD's gtr plying is first-rate. Since I joined BOC-L after CC, I can't comment on its being a contentious issue... > > > There's been a fair amount of mumbling about wishing that the original > line-up will get together again. We can all dream, but I HOPE everyone > here fully understands that 1) it isn't likely to happen, and 2) both > Al and BOC are happier for it. Albert has stated here several times > that he has no intention or desire to re-join a band that he left > OVER 15 YEARS AGO (Imaginos work and his 2-week "fill-in" work in 1985 > not withstanding). I'm not as sure as to how Joe feels, but certainly > he has been out of BOC for over 10 years now, and is doing his own thing. > Seeing that he's not actively involved in a band, perhaps he has less > desire to do that sort of thing, and prefers the teaching work he's > been doing (along with his other projects - like brewing beer?). I I confess I speculate about this, but I'm under no illusion of it ever happening. Frankly I respect Al a hell of a lot for what he's doing. He could probably make an easy life for himself if he tried to re-join BOC. And the result would likely be pretty good for all concerned. I have no doubt IF Al rejoined BOC their fortunes would improve, because he'd get them off their collective ass. Frankly I don't think they deserve to have him back at this point... > don't know how Al and 3OC feel about our discussions - maybe Al feels > a bit flattered that we say that BOC ain't the same without him, but I > would think he gets tired of answering questions of "why did he leave?" > and "is he ever coming back?" and would much rather talk about tBS. As > far as 3OC goes, they can't be too excited to be spending time talking > about a guy who hasn't been in the band for 15 years . . . > Agreed. And you can bet that during tBS's swing into Upstate NY this year, I'll be asking him only about tBS and maybe a little bit of nostalgia about old gigs I saw. At this point, it insults tBS to keep asking Al about re-joining BOC... > Jack (who doen't add his $0.02 here too often, but should feel free to) > says: > > >Me, I'll just continue enjoying the music I already have, > continue my praise for band members, both present and past, and of > course, always hope for new material:) > > This is my "philosophy" too -- only problem is, it seems (and perhaps > more so on BOC-L, although I haven't been on AOL long enough to assess > this) that people get tired of talking about that. What I mean is, you > "typically" see new folks talking about how great the band is, their > favorite concert experiences, wanting to ask folks what their favorit > album is, etc., and after awhile, you either post less, or you spend > more time complaining about the things you don't like. Not to pick on > anyone, but Theo has been fairly vocal here recently about his issues > with the band these days -- you should have heard this guy when he first > joined BOC-L! He was always talking (or replying) very upbeat, recounting > his fond memories, talking excitely about BOC, etc. He seems a little > more "restrained" in that regard these days (note: Theo - no offense is > meant by this observation of mine, and I'm not saying that your are a > worse person than you used to be or anything like that - and while I > only know you through your BOC-L posts, I hope I haven't been too > inaccurate in what I've said here). Of course, maybe us "old timers" > have corrupted him to our way of thinking...if so, you could be next > Jack! ;-) > Wow! I had no idea I came across like that, and no, of course I take no offense. It's always fascinating to get another person's perceptions. I didn't know I was becoming more jaded, but I think I can offer an explanation. When I joined BOC-L, it was the first list I was ever on, and I think I was overjoyed to have a forum to discuss my favorite band. In time, I became comfortable among everyone else, and comfortable expressing tough stances on BOC, knowing that other people had real concerns about the band. I also lost my cherry a bit after finding out about the Imaginos debacle and other assorted shaftings here and there. And too, Al's continued hard work with tBS only illustrates what a highly motivated musician can do with some hard work and a lot of guts, and BOC doesn't stand too close an examination in retrospect. So I guess some of you old-timers did corrupt me a bit; at least you gave me a forum for grumbling! > >But if and when, I'll definitely be buying the new album, and I'll do my best > >to "listen without prejudice". > > I think this will be true of most BOC fans here. Most of us won't believe > it until we see it perhaps, but I suspect that we'll all buy it when it > comes out (of course, assuming it's not another compilation!). I'm > betting that some of us will think it's the greatest thing since *Box of > Hammers*, some of us will think it's little improvement over *Club > Ninja* - but most of us will be happy to have it regardless. It will be > discussed EXTENSIVELY here on BOC-L -- we'll pick it apart track by track, > maybe even note by note. We will like some of the tunes, dis-like others, > and probably not come to alot of universal conclusions on it (other than, > "It's about time!"). When that album does come out - everyone on BOC-L > can probably expect your e-mail load to double. Hawkwind-only fans will > no doubt scream at us when we forget to use the filter headings... ;-) > Yes! Yes! Yes! I will devour that album. I've prefaced most of my 'negative' remarks with the reminder that my critique arises chiefly from frustration. Make no mistake: I want BOC to bring forth a kick-ass album, and if what I heard live last month is any indication, they will do it! > Carl says: > > (in response to one of my posts) > > I could have clipped some of that except it all hits it right on > the head for me! > > Well, sometimes I get lucky... ;-)\ > > >I'm not an "old timer" by any definition, > > Carl, I'd qualify you as a "BOC-L old timer"... > > >but *I*want*new*BOC* and I'm gonna whinge when I don't get it! :) > > See? We ARE all fans -- we are all bitchin' because WE WANT OUR BOC!! > See my previous lines... >> > > It strikes me that if (dream) tBS and BOC ever played a gig > together, or Al did a guest drums appearance or something (like Lemmy did > occasionally for HW on bass), the conflict zone would not be Al vs. DR, > but Deb vs. EB... > > LOL - yep, while I think Buck and Al could be onstage together again > someday, I can't picture Eric and Deb every sharing a stage (except > maybe for a boxing match or something) ;-) > I know Deb's got her reasons, and being the type who's fiercely loyal to my loved ones, I sort of understand it, but she's unrelentingly venomous toward EB. I doubt they could ever be in the same room together with an eruption... Mike suggests: > > >The only reason that I can think of for not changing a set is that the > band do not want to rehearse; either because there are personality or > logistical problems, or that they simply cannot be bothered. > > I'm sure that this is a factor... > And the expense of hiring a rehearsal facility... > >If this new > album really does come out, I will be disappointed if the touring set does > not include at least four numbers from it. > > They'd be stupid to NOT do a few numbers from it - can't convince fans at > the shows to pick up their new album if you don't at least let them > hear a few of the new tunes. I expect Eric to hype the album when it's > out (I still recall seeing them in '94 and at least 4 times he said, "O.K. > we're gonna do another number now from our *Cult Classics* album..."). > Since the band has done 7 of the new tunes at shows (not all at once, but > in '92 they were doing up to 4 new tunes at a show), so they are certainly > capable of doing them live. They've been doing 1 or 2 new ones over the > past year or 2. I'm guessing that they'll do 3. > Amen, Amen. The new stuff's boffo. But will playing too much of it jeapordize their status as a nostalgia artifact? > And finally, Adrian wishes: > > >May all BOC-l subscribers be in the hall on the night when these bands > are in the same place and jam together as musicians and friends. > > Would be a glorious day indeed. Tell me when and where, and me and my > bass will be there. (with a six-pack or 2 of Anchor Steam?) :-) > Me too, and then some! > O.K., I've got to get SOME work done today...;-) > > John Not that! theo From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 21 19:30:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:30:00 -0600 Subject: Brain Surgeons through Dream Disc Message-ID: Just received the latest Dream Disc catalog #10 Jan 97. There is an entry as follows: Brain Surgeons - Box of Hammers (3rd cd ~ex-BOC drummer Al Bouchard) $12.00 For those of you not familiar with Dream Disc this is a mail order service from Indiana. They specialize in progressive metal and imports at pretty good prices. A lot of the younger music fans I know swear by this. Kind of exciting that tBS at least has an opportunity to become known by an audience outside of the NE and BOC-l/AOL. Al is BoH available through any other services like this? lil ab From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 21 19:35:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:35:00 -0600 Subject: Off Threshold Fans Message-ID: Forgot this for the last entry. I know there are a couple of Threshold fans on the list, their latest Extinct Instinct will be available through Dream Disc in Feb. Good news for American fans of this marvelous band. If you need the adress or info on Dream Disc please e-mail private. Thanks lil ab From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jan 21 19:03:25 1997 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:03:25 GMT Subject: HW: video list In-Reply-To: <199701200503.XAA16924@mx3.io.com> Message-ID: Reply to Hawkwind about Re: HW: video list >Hi Bernhard, > I think I've got one that isn't on your list that you might >like to know about. In 1982, Dave Brock made up a video from the first night >at Hammersmith on the Choose Your Masques tour. There were only 200 made of >this and it was sold directly from the Devon PO Box number that Kris used to >run. >I know that only 200 were made because Brock has written so on the label of >the video in a message to my brother (the man responsible for starting me >off on Hawkwind in the first place) who ordered the video and has it still >(although I taped the soundtrack when he wasn't looking:) >It's filmed from the back of the Odeon but the actual film quality is pretty >good, although you can't see much of the band due to the back lighting they >used on that tour. It is the whole show and has rehearsal footage tacked on >the fill up the 3 hour tape. >I can't remember the actual date, but I'm sure you have it down. I think >that it was the first night, but I can't be sure (the 21st rings a bell). I >can check up for your records. Read this with interest. Years ago I got a Tape from Dave Brock via Hawkfan. It's The CYM tour with extra stuff on the end to fill up the tape, Shot from the back of the hall and came from Dave with a short signed note. BUT... It was recorded, he says, by a friend of his at Edinburgh Playhouse 20th October '82! Is this the same tape with the venue mixed up. I haven't watched it in a while but I'm sure it wasn't hammersmith (a venue I know VERY well). tracks are: Choose YM/Coded/Magnu/Dust/Waiting for/Angels/Ghost Dance/Warlords/Social Alliance/Utopia/Arrival In/Solitary Mind Games/Sonic/Dreamworker/Brainstorm/Ejection/Shot Down/MOTU. I haven't got the extra tracks written down but can check if it's important. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Jan 21 19:25:55 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:25:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: At 13:52 1997-01-21 -0500, you wrote: >>well, I found the Astronomy *vinyl* 12" this very day while checking the hw >bins. \\joe > >Does it have the "Wild King" Mix on it? I'd really like to hear that >version, which I think is only available as a b-side to one of the vinyl >singles (another sin of omission on *Workshop of the Telescopes*!). >I'd be interested in getting a copy of this (the orig. vinyl or a taped >version), and I've got a few BOC things I could offer in trade. > >John no sign of a wild king mix, cover & label just say "taken from the LP Imaginos"... I got the 7" single at home; I'll check it later. there's a (small) pic of the band at the cover flip side, is Al there? (sorry, I should at least recognize Eric or Buck, but no...) ...and hey, there was the UFO's abducting Dan's sheep!!! (but no blue alien this time) \\joe From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Jan 21 19:37:30 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:37:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day In-Reply-To: <199701212216.QAA21702@raygun.urbana.mcd.mot.com> Message-ID: >Ted Alger said that he was disappointed that BOC-L >wasn't yet another bustling center of fawning idolatry for BOC. I'm glad >BOC-L is not. (Though it *would* be Swann's fault if it was.) We're far >more interesting this way. :-) > > m@ Actually Matt, what was said was THIS: >>>>From my time on AOL last year, I don't think it's so much "fawning idolatry", >>so much as a lot of the AOL PEOPLE EARNESTLY BELIEVE THAT BOC ARE THE >>BEST BAND IN THE WORLD, RIGHT NOW IN THE NINETIES <------ this is what I was referring to >yes, and I was disappointed to find it wasn't true of BOC-L I don't care to witness people attempting to insert themselves in other peoples nether regions (even if they ARE the best band in the world), what I was getting at, is that while the AOL people may be as impatient for new stuff as BOC-Lers are, they at least, are a heck of a lot more positive about the fact that there are a lot of realities in the music business.....such as the fact that right now, possibly the guys do see their market right now as a 'nostalgia act' until they get new material out....which would possible jeopardize their ability to make a living if they played too much material that is unrecognizable to people that aren't hardcore followers.....I know most of the times I've seen the band, a large majority of the people in the venues are people that probably said to themselves "gee, Blue Oyster Cult huh? I remember them. That would be a cool show to go to." and probably got a bunch of friends together to go to the gig. How many of these people are going to come back the next time if they don't recognize the songs? Next issue, the guys (at least Buck & Eric anyways) have families.....they also don't seem to live in each others back pockets......how much time does it take out of their family time to get together to rehearse old material? Now on a longer tour, this can be worked out during off time, but when I'M home with the wife and kids, that last thing I want to do is say "sorry I haven't seen you for a few weeks/months guys....I'm gonna go hang out with the people I work with and go work on some of . And despite what everyone seems to think about how easy it is to get recording contracts out there, there are quite a few bands with tons of talents lacking deals right now... (King's X comes to mind) . My other post keeps coming back to me where I compared this to the Queensryche newsgroup... that and this list are possibly (at times) the two most negative list around....and I hate that because I love both bands....no wonder I'd rather talk to Chris or Lisa on the AOL boards.....and I may not be a BOC-L curmudgeon, but that doesn't mean I'm a 14 year old know nothing kid. I am impatient as anyone for the material. '88 was a looooong time ago.... but I also don't think that I'm owed by the band. I consider myself lucky even to see them considering none of us are getting any younger, and quite frankly, I've seen a lot of those old nostalgia acts....most of them are a waste of money and aren't worth my time except (usually) for the ones who happen to have some fresh talent aboard to stir things up. Every time I've seen BOC, I've been amazed by Buck/Joe/Jon/Eric (whoever). And for anyone who might think I'm fawning, I could go post to MMC/ROCK/BOC on AOL or better yet, Eric and Buck's E-mail addresses are well known. Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jan 21 18:57:44 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:57:44 EDT Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > Subject: Re: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day >> that aren't hardcore followers.....I know most of the times I've seen the band, a large > majority of the people in the venues are people that probably said to themselves "gee, > Blue Oyster Cult huh? I remember them. That would be a cool show to go to." and probably > got a bunch of friends together to go to the gig. How many of these people are going to > come back the next time if they don't recognize the songs? Next issue, the guys (at least I hate to say so, but you're at least partially right. Witness the stream of punters to pour out of last month's show right after DFtR. They'd obviously heard what they came for, and split before the encores, which were, BTW, old songs. OTOH, the new tunes did go over, though I don't know how true that would be if they'd played 5 or 6 of them... theo From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Jan 21 21:57:34 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:57:34 +1000 Subject: HW: Gig list In-Reply-To: <9701211646.AA11482@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On 21 Jan 97 at 11:46, Martyn White wrote: > >If you have any trouble getting the file, I can put it up on our > >ftp site so you (and others) can download it. Let me know, and I'll > >put it on there in various formats (as a ZIP archive, Word Doc, > >RTF, Plain Text .... let me know what you need) > > Thanks Paul. If it is not too much trouble, could > you mail me Bernhards list as plain text files I've created (from Bernhard's Word Document) and RTF and an ASCII file. I can't put them on our ftp server for a day or so tho ... I'll post to the list when it's done. Does the general populace want the same for the other two lists which Bernhard posted?? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jan 21 22:30:31 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 04:30:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >>> that aren't hardcore followers.....I know most of the times I've seen the band, a large >> majority of the people in the venues are people that probably said to themselves "gee, >> Blue Oyster Cult huh? I remember them. That would be a cool show to go to." and probably >> got a bunch of friends together to go to the gig. How many of these people are going to >> come back the next time if they don't recognize the songs? Next issue, the guys (at least > >I hate to say so, but you're at least partially right. Witness the >stream of punters to pour out of last month's show right after DFtR. >They'd obviously heard what they came for, and split before the >encores, which were, BTW, old songs. OTOH, the new tunes did go >over, though I don't know how true that would be if they'd played 5 >or 6 of them... >theo Yes... but no. You also have to consider that some of these people who come for the "nostalgia act" may become new fans if they like the music enough and - especially - if they discover that they are still releasing new material. And hey, honestly, how many people would expect an old band to reform (considering that many actually think the band split) and not play new material ? Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Jan 21 22:30:34 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 04:30:34 +0100 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >As far as a warning welcoming message, well, that's probably not appropriate. >There is mention of the FAQ, which I suspect might be helpful for some >people to get the idea that some topics could be sensitive. (snip) >Finally, >I don't support the idea of telling people certain topics are "off-limits". Yeah, you're right. I guess the FAQ should be enough. I did read it myself before I posted anything to the list. BTW, is the new revised version up yet ? >But, Buck >did hint last year of releasing some stuff outside of BOC, and my >suspicion is that it will happen sooner or later. I hope so. I think it'd be very interesting. Hmm... >But, his first priority >right now musically is BOC. Quite likely indeed, especially with the new album in the works... Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Tue Jan 21 22:50:34 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:50:34 -0600 Subject: HW: video list Message-ID: >Read this with interest. Years ago I got a Tape from Dave Brock via Hawkfan. >It's The CYM tour with extra stuff on the end to fill up the tape, Shot from >the back of the hall and came from Dave with a short signed note. BUT... It >was recorded, he says, by a friend of his at Edinburgh Playhouse 20th October >'82! Is this the same tape with the venue mixed up. I haven't watched it in a >while but I'm sure it wasn't hammersmith (a venue I know VERY well). tracks Hi there, I may well have got the venue mixed up - it's been so long since I saw it and even then I had to view it when my brother was out (being the younger I'd have been in for it if he found out:) I also can't check it as it is in England and I'm in the US. I had the impression it was from Hammersmith when it came, but if it matches the description of the Edinburgh and was in the same batch, then it most likely is the same vid. . sorry for getting mixed up but you know how it is. Yours, Dale By the way, the next interview will be with Harvey and that is up on the site now. I've also included a new section on old press cuttings that fans might find interesting. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Wed Jan 22 02:54:45 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:54:45 -0700 Subject: HW : BBC Tapes Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jon Browne writes: > > > In message <9701211139.aa23938 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > > writes > > > > >Not that I'm in favour of state coercion or anything but the licence fee > > >did pay for the 12 live Hawkwind tapes from the 70's that the BBC have > > >allegedly dug up and are allegedly in discussion with Hawkmanagement > > >about releasing. > > > >FoFP > > > > What!!? Where did you hear that? > > I think that may be secret but it's a Source Close to Hawkmanagement. > > > When are they from? Early '70's? > > That's my understanding. > > > Nik? > > Lemmy? Bob? ??????? > > I'd expect good odds on that trio being on at least some of the tapes. > What I don't know is if there's any video. Still, it'd be good if this > panned out... > > > Jon Browne > > FoFP That would be very cool!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: I recently picked up the Astronomy cd single (which doesn't contain anything other than the album mix, plus Magna of Illusion and the AOF version of DFTR), the Astronomy promo cd single (which features four versions of the song: album, album edit, King version, King edit version), and the In The Presence of Another World promo cd single (which features both album and edit versions) from a UK based mail order company called Esprit. They can be contacted on: 100307.3627 at compuserve.com. They definitely don't have any more official Astronomy cd singles, but they may have more copies of the promos - they also have some other BOC vinyl goodies. And they do have an office in the USA, as well as a web-page that they update daily. Martin On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, John A Swartz wrote: > >well, I found the Astronomy *vinyl* 12" this very day while checking the hw > bins. \\joe > > Does it have the "Wild King" Mix on it? I'd really like to hear that > version, which I think is only available as a b-side to one of the vinyl > singles (another sin of omission on *Workshop of the Telescopes*!). > I'd be interested in getting a copy of this (the orig. vinyl or a taped > version), and I've got a few BOC things I could offer in trade. > > John > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 04:43:51 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:43:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Usenet In-Reply-To: <9701212156.AA12943@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: In message <9701212156.AA12943 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, Martyn White writes > Here in North carolina, the University does not believe >in supplying us with a USENET server. I have been using a remote >site in the UK to read USENET with my web client. However they >have recently withdrawn access. Does anyone know of any of any >usenet servers allowing remote access. My web searches failed to >turn up anything > >Ta in advance > >Martyn No promises cos I've never used it but you try pubnews.demon.co.uk or pubnews.demon.net I'm not sure if you Telnet into or set your offline newsreader to connect to it but it's a public access newsfeed for non- Demon memebers and it's actually up most of the time. -- Jon Browne From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Jan 22 06:02:10 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:02:10 UT Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: John says >Well, I know that Buck was dissappointed with sales of *Flat Out* - I >think he was hoping to establish his own music a bit at that time. I tend to think this is the turning point in BOC's history - perhaps even more so than Al's departure. After _Flat Out_, we got, what three rather desultory albums (although I may be alone in thinking that _CN_ was rather an upturn after _RBN_)? What if _Flat Out_ had been a hit? Would DR have even stayed with BOC? Would CBS have supported another ex-BOC member to the extent of letting him record and release his ambitious concept album in the form he wanted? 'Course, you can still see EB hiring a bunch of nobodies and continuing to tour as "Blue Oyster Cult"... and Ted says >My other post keeps coming back to me where I compared this to the Queens= >ryche newsgroup... >that and this list are possibly (at times) the two most negative list aro= >und.... Now that's funny, because that's another group who used to rule but have since disappeared up their own fundament (I'll tell you about the disastrous semi-acoustic set at the Astoria in '94 sometime. "This is for our benefit, not yours" - G Tate. And a few moments later, after a sharp intake of breath around the auditorium, "Joke! Joke!", but unfortunately it had had the ring of truth.) And where did they crib the idea of having an umlaut and a quasi-mystical symbol, eh? :) - Andy From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Jan 22 06:31:11 1997 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:31:11 GMT Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: The other day I bought a rather cheap Motorhead comp (we all know the type). This one was called 'Live & Loud', and was on (I think) Emporio (sp?) records. The tracks appeared to be mainly from the lates 70's/early 80's. The main reason I picked it up was for a version of 'The Watcher'. Although Lemmy & co. were not at full on manic blanga mode, they still gave it some. A question for the Motorhead experts out there : what other HW songs have Motorhead 'covered'. ( I know Motorhead, and Lost Johnny were early MH faves live.) Neil (bored & musing away on a rainy day). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 07:12:06 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:12:06 +0000 Subject: HW: cassettes? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Jan 21, 97 01:43:07 pm Message-ID: > And am I mad, or do I remember you telling me about one of Ben > Cash's Weird Tapes dying as he tried to play it to you? I reckon it's > something in the glasses, personally... No, no, that was Andy Gilham's Weird Tape dying. The story of Ben's tapes was him lending me _Cultosaurus_, _Spectres_, and _FoUO_ to listen to whilst I wrote an undergrad paper on RPGs ... thus propelling me towards BOC fandom, and thence to boc-l and thence to extreme poverty and a music collection that is beginning to warp space around it :) Miraculously, none of Ben's tapes underwent failure during this event. Perhaps because it was _me_ playing them and tapes only fail when _other_ people play them to me? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 06:44:41 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:44:41 EDT Subject: off:Queensryche Message-ID: >> From: Andrew Gilham > and Ted says > > >My other post keeps coming back to me where I compared this to the Queens= > >ryche newsgroup... > >that and this list are possibly (at times) the two most negative list aro= > >und.... > > Now that's funny, because that's another group who used to rule but have since > disappeared up their own fundament (I'll tell you about the disastrous > semi-acoustic set at the Astoria in '94 sometime. "This is for our benefit, > not yours" - G Tate. And a few moments later, after a sharp intake of breath > around the auditorium, "Joke! Joke!", but unfortunately it had had the ring > of truth.) And where did they crib the idea of having an umlaut and a > quasi-mystical symbol, eh? :) > > - Andy I think Queensryche got bitten by the same bug that paralyzed Metallica: grunge-itis. I think it blew their minds that a bunch of barely proficient dudes could come along and get millions of people to buy their discs. These really technical guys must have been kind of blown away: look, we're playing our asses off, writing high concept stuff with big production, and a bunch of ugly dudes with torn clothes from the Goodwill are stealing all our fans. I wonder if they all can recover from such a reality check? And of course, the kind of pompous attitude GT showed makes it all the more apropos that he be hoisted on his own petard (a simile, some would say, for the sound of Queensryche's music?) theo From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Wed Jan 22 07:31:08 1997 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:31:08 GMT Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L,BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU,Internet writes: Although Lemmy & co. were not at full on manic blanga mode, they still gave it some. A question for the Motorhead experts out there : what other HW songs have Motorhead 'covered'. They played "Silver Machine " at some gigs. Concerning Motorhead, I'll have soon my photos of yersterday evening Motorhead's concert, with a shaved Lemmy..! If anyone are interested, I may scan and send Olivier From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jan 22 08:16:14 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:16:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world Message-ID: Martin wrote: >As someone who has been watching British TV on and off for some 35 >years (I can't quite remember when I started!) I would say that there >is very little difference between the supposed 'state' TV channels >and those funded by advertising. When it boils down to it the >interests of government and the corporate world are the same, and >this is reflected in the basic similarities between commercial and >uncommercial. The major difference, to my mind, is that the >commercial populist channel is far tackier than the uncommercial >populist channel, but that is hardly surprising. > Absolutely; but the BEST of the BBC is still outstanding TV, but the so-called "mission to explain" seems to have reduced 'edutainment' to a lowest common denominator sludge (How Do They Do That? - fer cryin' out loud!) - with a few notable exceptions (Horizon, RI Xmas lectures). It also worries me that an increasing proportion of the programmes that I truly enjoy are of US origin - serious pause for thought. Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Jan 22 08:51:22 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:51:22 +0800 Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > > The other day I bought a rather cheap Motorhead comp (we all know the type). This one was called 'Live & Loud', and was on (I think) Emporio (sp?) records. The tracks appeared to be mainly from the lates 70's/early 80's. > > The main reason I picked it up was for a version of 'The Watcher'. > > Although Lemmy & co. were not at full on manic blanga mode, they still gave it some. > A question for the Motorhead experts out there : what other HW songs have Motorhead 'covered'. > > ( I know Motorhead, and Lost Johnny were early MH faves live.) I was thinking of brining this question up myself. Incidentally, those three songs appeared on the first Motorhead album on the Chiswick label. Has that album been released on CD in full? William From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 22 08:49:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:49:53 -0500 Subject: off:Queensryche Message-ID: >I think it blew their minds that a bunch of barely proficient dudes could come along and get millions of people to buy their discs. These really technical guys must have been kind of blown away: look, we're playing our asses off, writing high concept stuff with big production, and a bunch of ugly dudes with torn clothes from the Goodwill are stealing all our fans. I wonder if they all can recover from such a reality check? True perhaps - but this is prevalent in most music. Jazz and classical musicians (well not all, but alot of 'em) are probably jealous of some of these rock musicians who only know a few basic chords, perhaps don't even know how to read music (horrors!), and are selling millions of records, while they have to work another job or two to pay their rent. Various musicians with some "chops" (like Joe Satriani or Steve Vai) are viewed negatively by some musicians as being "all flash and no substance". We that grew up listening to the tunes of the 70's think that alot of what's being played in the 90's is crap (and those guys playing it in turn thought that what came out of the 80's was crap too). And on and on. They say the cream always rises to the top, but it doesn't seem to happen to often in the music world, does it? But, some of that is more related to the business, than the actual music. John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 08:49:37 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:49:37 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:16:14 -0000 Message-ID: When I was skiing in Killington I couldn't drink a beer in the outdoor hot pool and I couldn't have both a hot cider and a beer in front of me in the bar. These are apparently "Because the State Governor says so." Jeese, and you guys started a revolution over a 3p per year tax?? FoFP From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jan 22 08:57:31 1997 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:57:31 GMT Subject: OFF: Re:TV license fee & fine Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jerry writes: > > > > P.S.: I understand the reason for the license fee now, and now that I > > > know the logic, I think I can actually agree with it. Just not the > > > extreme punishments. > > > > Fine is 100%. So, if they don't catch you in one year, at least you broke even. But they > > /do/ check... > > I thought the fine was up to 400 Pounds with the fee currently 89 Pounds? The fine was 120 pounds + the fee as I....errrr...a friend found out last year!! bye - Rob From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 22 09:03:23 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:03:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >Actually John, they've been playing the new songs and promising a new album since I saw them in December of '91--FIVE YEARS AGO now. Probably true enough (I lost track of BOC between '89 and '93, until re-discovering BOC-L). I guess I sort of count *Bad Channels* as a new album in a way -- that is, if BOC played "Demon's Kiss" or "Horsemen Arrive" and said that they were going to be on their "new album" back in the '91/'92 timeframe, well, I guess they delivered as far as those 2 tunes go. If they were playing "Harvest Moon" and "Still Burnin'" around those times and making the same claims (and they may very well have - I'd have to go back and check some setlists and tapes), then they certainly failed there (I don't know when all the "new" songs were written, but I know "Harvest Moon" was written way back around 1986). >I guess part of the negative attitude (for me) comes from the fact that I've been handed the "New Album Coming Soon" line for five years now. Absolutely. My point (and I think others) as far as saying "give 'em a break" is that while we will all believe the new album when we hold it in our hands, from all visible signs, BOC is making progress towards that new release. While before all we heard (at least all I heard) was "we've got a new album coming out soon", at least this time I've heard that they've got the recording finished, got a working title, presumably got someone planned to do the album artwork, and are supposedly working on distribution deals. Oh, and I know (most of) the album titles. So, I have reason to be optimistic. Now, March 1st was the originally announced release date - it's not yet March 1st, so I shouldn't expect a new album *before* that. True, Buck hinted that since they won't start mixing for another month, that date will probably be pushed out. Well, alot of albums get their release dates pushed out beyond the originally expected date. Now, I will start to get more cynical the further out that date gets pushed, but it is too early for that - I can wait until March or April and see if there is more signs of progress or just seemingly empty promises. And still, as I said, even if the current deal has or does fall through, if they really do have the album recorded then I think it is going to get released this year in some fashion. So, IMHO, we should all sit tight and at least save our cynicism for a few months down the road... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 22 09:13:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:13:00 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons through Dream Disc Message-ID: >Just received the latest Dream Disc catalog #10 Jan 97. There is an entry as follows: Brain Surgeons - Box of Hammers (3rd cd ~ex-BOC drummer Al Bouchard) $12.00 Huh? This is interesting - I though BoH wouldn't be available, other than direct mail order from Cellsum, until sometime in the spring, as tBS were working on a better distribution deal. Al, what's the deal here? Is BoH soon to appear in stores? Are you just sending out a few to a few mail-order distributors? Just got the new Cellsum catalog - of course you can get BoH for only $11 (plus $3 shipping), along with *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*, direct from Al and Deb. Their catalog also includes David Roter's latest CD, *Find Something Beautiful*, brother JIM Bouchard's folk CD, *Toots' Rambles*, and Wired's (tBS guitarist Billy Hilfinger played in this band) CD-EP. Also available are BoH t-shirts (have the baseball caps all sold out Al?), and "clearance sale" prices on Trepanation t-shirts and temporary tattoos. If you aren't on tBS mailing list, what are you waiting for? It costs nothing but a stamp - send correspondence to: Cellsum Records Box 1070, Fort George Station New York, NY 10040-9998 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 22 09:35:27 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:35:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: >the AOL people may be as impatient for new stuff as BOC-Lers are, they at least, are a heck of a lot more positive about the fact that there are a lot of realities i n the music business..... True enough. But, as I said, we BOC-L folks know it can be done. The Brain Surgeons have done it. Hawkwind has done it. Black Sabbath has done it. Personally, I think that BOC would do better if they could get some new management - I don't think that'll happen, but I really don't think that their management has any "vision" for the band. It seems that most of what they do is fairly short-sighted. Then again, perhaps it is somewhat short-sighted to release the new material on whatever label (Eric said in the Goldmine article about not wanting to release their new stuff on "Ding Dong Records"), but at some point I think they need to look at what it means to the band long-term if the new stuff doesn't get released. At some point you gotta fish or cut bait as the saying goes. Time is not on BOC's side - maybe 5 or 10 years ago the band could afford to work toward getting the best deal possible, but I don't think they have that luxury anymore. But again, I'm optimistic by what I've seen recently, so I can wait a little longer. >...such as the fact that right now, possibly the guys do see their mar ket right now as a 'nostalgia act' until they get new material out....which would possible jeopardize their ability to make a living if they played too much material that is unrecogn izable to people that aren't hardcore followers... I think that this thinking is dangerous for the band. First of all, I think that they need to keep their current fans, and I feel that means they need to try and cater a bit more to them (if not with new tunes, than at least with some variety in the setlists -- this band has LOTS of great tunes in their catalog to choose from). Second of all, I think that even the "nostalgia crowd" can appreciate 2, maybe 3 new songs - as long as those songs are good (which most of us agree that they are). BOC needs a little self-confidence in the strength of their new material, and show everyone that they still can produce viable music today. From what I've seen of recent shows, as long as they play "the Big Three", and maybe "Cities on Flame", they could probably play just about anything else. I mean, as much as I like songs like "Before the Kiss", "O.D.'d on Life Itself", and even "Joan Crawford" or "E.T.I.", I can't see too many of these nostalgia-type fans (that maybe haven't seen BOC in 20 years, or played a BOC album in 10 or so) being dissappointed that one of these songs doesn't make the setlist -- conversely, I'd be willing to bet that alot of them would go, "Hey, those two new tunes, 'Harvest Moon', and 'See You in Black' - they're really catchy - can't wait to get a CD with them on it!". If BOC really believes they have some marketable tunes (and most of their core fans that have heard them would agree), then they need to realize that they can still be more than just a nostalgia act - even if they get people to come to their shows based on that idea, they can create a stronger impression on those people by showing that they are still more than that. John From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Jan 22 11:49:17 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:49:17 E Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: Just a funny little tidbit: on Motorhead's "The Best The Rest Live" i believe one of the last songs is "The Watcher" (This is live from 75 i think) and just before they start the song Lemmy says something to the effect of "Let's see if any of you get this one If you haven't already the picture of Lemmy at Rickenbacher has a link to a Motorhead page, there is an absolutly hysterical interview from Lem on the new album and life love and sex, all Q e-mailed in from fans. cheers, bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Jan 22 11:58:50 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:58:50 E Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: Another note: Roadrunner records rereleased a box w/ Motorhead, Ace of Spades, Bomber, No sleep till Hammersmith, and a b-side rarity comp called Meltdown. all albums have bonus tracks including HW "covers" motorhead, lost johnny and the watcher. Z Z top's "Beer Drinkers and Hellraisers" "Louie, Louie" , tyhe old r&b classic "Leaving Here", John Mayell's "I'm your Witchdoctor", a live version of Willie Dixon's "Hootchie Cootchie Man" and one highlight (or lowlight) Wendy O'Williams (plasmatics) and Lemmy doing "Stand by your man" enough of the Motortrivia.... peace, bryan From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Jan 22 12:10:31 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:10:31 UT Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: >I was thinking of brining this question up myself. >Incidentally, those three songs appeared on the first Motorhead album on the Chiswick >label. Has that album been released on CD in full? Yes, on Big Beat, with the four tracks from the "Beer Drinkers" EP, and "City Kids" from the b-side of the "Motorhead" 7 inch. Bloody good stuff! - Andy From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Wed Jan 22 12:20:08 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:20:08 -0800 Subject: BOC: Swedish Vistors Need Help Message-ID: Help is needed from anyone who knows how to reach TommyKnockers in Farmingdale, NY. Some fans from Sweden are flying in just to see Blue ?yster Cult play and they have been unable to reach Tommyknockers or get information on buying advanced tickets for the show. They don't want to travel all this way and not be able to get in. Any help would be appreciated. Email rick at wineasy.se or me, hdboc at 3-cities.com if you can help. If you email Rick directly, please let me know, so I won't continue trying to get information for them. THANKS!!! Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 04:52:14 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:52:14 +0000 Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>TOWN HALL DATE DAY TIME >>========================================= >> >>London Rainbow 18.12.81 Fri 120 >>London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Fri 120 >>London Hammersmith 13.03.84 Tue 110 >>London Hammersmith 03.12.85 Tue 115 > > >Hey! I went to these! (The Rainbow one was the best, though, with Bob & Nik >in support! :) > >- Andy Oh spit! I missed the Rainbow but I was at the other three. -- Jon Browne From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Wed Jan 22 12:52:54 1997 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:52:54 -0600 Subject: CD Swap? Message-ID: If you still have a copy of the UK Club Ninja, I would like to buy it from you. Sorry, I have nothing to trade. Alton From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jan 22 14:05:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:05:00 -0600 Subject: BOC and King's X Message-ID: Ted Alger wrote: -there, there are quite a few bands with tons of talents lacking deals right now...(King's X comes to mind) .- A band very near and dear to my heart and maybe a perfect example of BOC+s trials to bring us new material. King+s X is a very talented band that is no longer affiliated with a record company. They were on Atlantic records and were obligated to do more albums for Atlantic. Shortly after the release of Ear Candy (a marvelous album, shameless plug, sorry) the band and Atlantic mutually decided to part company. Why would someone simply walk away from a deal with a major label like Atlantic in this day and age? Atlantic was very supportive of the band when the album was being made, they sponsored a web page, answered fan inquiries about the status of the album , gave us radio play statistics, everything. Finally pure business jumped in the way. Promotion. Atlantic made a business decision to use a great portion of their promotional budget hyping Hootie and The Blowfish second album as opposed to KX. IMHO this hurt the albums sales dramtically. Atlantic made a decision with their finances in mind and I can+t blame them for trying to maximize sales with Hooties follow-up album, the debut sold over 13 million so this made sense. KX unfortunately suffered because they were not in control over this aspect of the business. KX has been approached by seven other labels in the meantime and are shopping around for the best fit. BOC in a sense isn+t much different. As Ted points out these guys have families and other things to do; they need to find the best fit for their requirements. Hopefully the shopping season has begun. > > >May all BOC-l subscribers be in the hall on the night when these bands > are in the same place and jam together as musicians and friends. > > Would be a glorious day indeed. Tell me when and where, and me and my > bass will be there. (with a six-pack or 2 of Anchor Steam?) :-) > >Me too, and then some! The first round of Anchor Steam is on me fellas. 8^). Alex>-Yes. But not likely to happen, I fear. I think the chances of having all BOC-L subscribers in the same venue at the same time are just as thin as having the two bands play a gig together.- Sure it could happen if Mr. B would pay for it. Were you on the list when the story line went down? Probably not it+s hard to explain. This is John+s allusion to the Anchor Steam. Several actual list members were a part of that story, Jean and Manuel, Robo Dude, John, Guido and Torgo too. Steve Swann was there too, he played the mysterious stranger who resembled "Q" of Star Trek NG. Someone had to take the blame. 8^) Aren+t you oldtimers glad I switched to decafe? What do ya mean you can+t tell. 8^). > It strikes me that if (dream) tBS and BOC ever played a gig > together, or Al did a guest drums appearance or something (like Lemmy did > occasionally for HW on bass), the conflict zone would not be Al vs. DR, > but Deb vs. EB... > > LOL - yep, while I think Buck and Al could be onstage together again > someday, I can't picture Eric and Deb every sharing a stage (except > maybe for a boxing match or something) ;-) > Also LOL but I+ll put a ten spot on Deb, it wouldn+t go five rounds. Lord knows she TKO+ed me enough times not to want a re-match. 8^) Theo Said>-As usual, John doesn't talk much, but when he does, he says a lot:- Second that, every list should have a John S. and a Bernhard P. too. Fortunately we have both lil ab Five in the Player - Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone Dream Theater - Images and Words Threshold - Psychedelicatessan Threshold - Wounded Land Hawkwind - Live 79' From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 13:15:58 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:15:58 GMT Subject: Doremi w/Silver Machine In-Reply-To: nakayama@sdl.hitachi.co.jp's message of Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:29:17 JST Message-ID: nakayama at sdl.hitachi.co.jp writes: > of Doremi LP, which includes Silver Machine put on top. > If you have been with it yet, disregard this. > > At a certain record store the other day I found a copy of > the LP for sale. Its price is 8,000 yen. Expensive, though > every bit of the stuff seemed to be perfect. This is the first > time I've seen one but mine. Congratulations!! That was very well found. Given its rarity I don't suppose you will ever see another one in your lifetime but if you ever do come across another I'd certainly be glad to hear about it. Excellently done! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Wed Jan 22 13:51:00 1997 From: mbraun at RAYGUN.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:51:00 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 In-Reply-To: "Your message of Wed, 22 Jan 97 05:00:19 EST." <199701221000.FAA03818@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Ted Alger writes: >Actually Matt, what was said was THIS: > >>>>>From my time on AOL last year, I don't think it's so much "fawning idolatry ", >>>so much as a lot of the AOL PEOPLE EARNESTLY BELIEVE THAT BOC ARE THE >>>BEST BAND IN THE WORLD, RIGHT NOW IN THE NINETIES <------ this is what I > was referring to >>yes, and I was disappointed to find it wasn't true of BOC-L You're right--I misinterpreted what you had written. Please accept my apologies. [More good commentary deleted.] >And despite what everyone seems to think about how easy it is to get >recording contracts out there, there are quite a few bands with tons of >talents lacking deals right now... (King's X comes to mind) . I agree--lots of good artists don't have great deals right now. Warren Zevon (dropped by Giant), Al Stewart (Mesa was shut down by Atlantic), Todd Rundgren (who's going Internet for distribution), The Pursuit Of Happiness... The list goes on and on. Ah! The modern music machines! They'll put themselves out of business if they're not careful. >My other post keeps coming back to me where I compared this to the >Queensryche newsgroup... that and this list are possibly (at times) the >two most negative list around....and I hate that because I love both >bands....no wonder I'd rather talk to Chris or Lisa on the AOL >boards.. Well, (in retrospect) you really did hit the nail on the head: not so much for "AOL people earnestly believe that BOC are the best band right now here in the nineties", (because never having been on AOL, I can't verify that) but more in the implication that the BOC-L folks don't believe it. Most of us would like nothing more than for them to prove that they are the best band in the world right here and now in the 90's. But because their output for this decade consists of "Bad Channels", and some unreleased songs, I personally, cannot conclude this to be true. Perhaps this is the cynicism of the '90's, or of the internet. (Or maybe I'm impatient after 5 years of promises--I don't know.) I don't think there is an above-average amount of slamming of their old work. Folks here can be downright reverential towards it. (I'll be more than happy to rave about the genius in "Death Valley Nights" or "Morning Final" any time.) The negative attitude and cynicism arise with regard to promises of future work. Most of this comes not from mean-spiritedness, but instead from past form. >...and I may not be a BOC-L curmudgeon, but that doesn't mean I'm >a 14 year old know nothing kid. (Ummm...I don't recall anyone saying you were.) >Every time I've seen BOC, I've been amazed by Buck/Joe/Jon/Eric (whoever). >And for anyone who might think I'm fawning, I could go post to >MMC/ROCK/BOC on AOL or better yet, Eric and Buck's E-mail addresses are >well known. No one said you were. You _are_ welcome here. We could all use some optimism. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+ Don't the sun look angry through the trees? ----+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Don't the trees look like crucified thieves? | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Don't you feel like desperadoes under the eaves?| +--Dangerous Projects Team--+- Heaven help the one who leaves... -------[WZ]--+ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jan 22 14:19:30 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:19:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Various thoughts of the day In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:37:30 EST." Message-ID: > >Ted Alger said > business.....such as the fact that right now, possibly the guys do see their market right > now as a 'nostalgia act' until they get new material out....which would possible jeopardize > their ability to make a living if they played too much material that is unrecognizable to people > that aren't hardcore followers.....I know most of the times I've seen the band, a large > majority of the people in the venues are people that probably said to themselves "gee, > Blue Oyster Cult huh? I remember them. That would be a cool show to go to." and probably > got a bunch of friends together to go to the gig. How many of these people are going to > come back the next time if they don't recognize the songs? Nope, can't agree with this one. BOC have played the UK twice (that's 2, two, II) in the last *seven* years. One night, one city, one medium sized venue each time, with *very* little advertising outside of London. Touring overseas must be a far more expensive business than shuttling round the states doing odd gigs. I can't believe they'd stake a trip over here on a bunch of 'once' fans goin on the off-chance. They're there presuming the UK die-hards will turn up & go wild. At both gigs, the crowd feeling was certainly one of existing fans (even if it was their first BOC gig for a lot of 'em). Given that premise, and knowing you have nothing to offer the fans but hollow speculation re: the new album ;-) (Eric thankfully didn't say a word last time), I know what I'd do in the bands position - give the crowd what they'd most enjoy. Now given that BOC-L/AoL is a reasonable (!) cross-section of the said audience type, what we ask for most the time re: gigs is a change in the setlist to include a) new material b) renditions of songs we don't get to hear. Which bit is difficult for them to understand ? > My other post keeps coming back to me where I compared this to the Queensryche newsgroup... > that and this list are possibly (at times) the two most negative list around....and I hate > that because I love both bands.... I think Queensryche will survive, being a much younger band. After the awesome Op:Mindcrime & generally excellent Empire, they just diddled around too long and gave us the seriously unimpressive _Promised Land_. They need a string of gaff albums to put the fire out, like er, um... :-) Tim From bzhj81 at LAE.LAD.GMEDS.COM Wed Jan 22 14:17:06 1997 From: bzhj81 at LAE.LAD.GMEDS.COM (Jeff Barlow) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:17:06 -0500 Subject: OTHER: CD-Later? Message-ID: Hey all; I ordered copies of Hawkwind's "Love In Space" and "Xenon Codex" from CD Now back in early December and still haven't seen my discs. Does anyone have any idea how long I should wait before I start to get worried? Jeff From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jan 22 14:34:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:34:59 +0000 Subject: CD Swap? In-Reply-To: <01IEIGS1PPN28ZO69O@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> from "AJBEE@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU" at Jan 22, 97 11:52:54 am Message-ID: > If you still have a copy of the UK Club Ninja, I would like to buy > it from you. Sorry, I have nothing to trade. I was going to mention that I saw one of these for sale as a cheap cut-out in the Cambridge market today ... I can take a look again for it (unless jazza beats me to it ;) It was about 4 quid, I think. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jan 22 14:37:40 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:37:40 -0600 Subject: OTHER: CD-Later? In-Reply-To: <199701221917.OAA18998@lnl70ga0.lae.lad.gmeds.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Jeff Barlow wrote: > I ordered copies of Hawkwind's "Love In Space" and "Xenon Codex" from CD > Now back in early December and still haven't seen my discs. > Does anyone have any idea how long I should wait before I start to get > worried? Have you asked manager at cdnow.com about it? They're usually pretty quick about answering queries like that. You can also track your order via either the web site or the telnet site. Damon From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jan 22 15:21:03 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:21:03 -0500 Subject: OTHER: CD-Later? In-Reply-To: <199701221917.OAA18998@lnl70ga0.lae.lad.gmeds.com> Message-ID: In <199701221917.OAA18998 at lnl70ga0.lae.lad.gmeds.com>, on 01/22/97 at 02:17 PM, Jeff Barlow said: >I ordered copies of Hawkwind's "Love In Space" and "Xenon Codex" from CD >Now back in early December and still haven't seen my discs. >Does anyone have any idea how long I should wait before I start to get >worried? Things I do - Check my shopping account on-line (check 'order history'). They should be listed there and you'll see if they were shipped yet or are back-ordered (It took me almost a month to get LiS). I've had a few that they couldn't get - what they usually do is..after a month you'll get e-mail telling you that they haven't gotten it yet, what the prospects are for getting it, and asking if you want to cancel the order or wait longer (I think it's 2 or 3 more weeks before they cancel it). When you ordered them on-line you'll usually see something about the chances of it being in stock (in stock, mid-stock, low-stock) and sometimes you'll get a message telling you it will be back-ordered). Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Jan 22 15:24:14 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:24:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Usenet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 01/22/97 at 09:43 AM, Jon Browne said: >In message <9701212156.AA12943 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, Martyn White > writes >> Here in North carolina, the University does not believe >>in supplying us with a USENET server. I have been using a remote >>site in the UK to read USENET with my web client. However they >>have recently withdrawn access. Does anyone know of any of any >>usenet servers allowing remote access. My web searches failed to >>turn up anything >No promises cos I've never used it but you try pubnews.demon.co.uk or >pubnews.demon.net I'm not sure if you Telnet into or set your offline >newsreader to connect to it but it's a public access newsfeed for non- >Demon memebers and it's actually up most of the time. There's a couple that are available via gopher (or there was). I don't remember the names now - it's been a few years - maybe the U of Minnesota? Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From bzhj81 at LAE.LAD.GMEDS.COM Wed Jan 22 15:41:23 1997 From: bzhj81 at LAE.LAD.GMEDS.COM (Jeff Barlow) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: OTHER: CD-Later? Message-ID: I said: > >I ordered copies of Hawkwind's "Love In Space" and "Xenon Codex" from CD > >Now back in early December and still haven't seen my discs. To which Jerry (jguizar at epix.net) added: > When you ordered them on-line you'll usually see something about the > chances of it being in stock (in stock, mid-stock, low-stock) and > sometimes you'll get a message telling you it will be back-ordered). Thanks for the responses everyone. For what it's worth, when I placed this particular order I put every HW disc that I had been looking for into my shopping cart and then took out all of the ones that were back-ordered, which was most of them. Xenon Codex was one of the few that they had in stock at the time, and that was listed as "low-stock." I think that at the time they were out of stock of; PXR5, Warrior.., and Zones and a bunch of the compilations. Jeff Looking foreward to the day when he actually has a complete set of STUDIO releases. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 17:44:55 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:44:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Drummer on TV Clip Message-ID: Hi All, I was at the home of one of the "Australian Hawklords" last night, and after watching the video of their gigs, we watched a tape taken from UK TV in the mid 80's. The tape also had Motorhead performing before HW on another stage. The line up was Brock/Davey/HLL/Harvey and a drummer I didn't recognise with short black hair and a moustache. I'd say that it was 83 or 84 ... any idea when this was and who the drummer may have been anyone? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 22 16:47:42 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:47:42 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 In-Reply-To: <199701221851.MAA05498@raygun.urbana.mcd.mot.com> Message-ID: >You're right--I misinterpreted what you had written. Please accept my >apologies. > No problem....I was just venting. >Most of us would like nothing more than for them to prove that they are the >best band in the world right here and now in the 90's. But because their >output for this decade consists of "Bad Channels", and some unreleased >songs, I personally, cannot conclude this to be true. Perhaps this is the >cynicism of the '90's, or of the internet. (Or maybe I'm impatient after 5 >years of promises--I don't know.) well, as far studio, you're right.....but I was basing my opinion on having just seen them in December and my experiences a few years ago. I place alot of emphasis on live performance, and I still think BOC is one of the best live bands I've ever seen >I don't think there is an above-average amount of slamming of their old >work. Folks here can be downright reverential towards it. (I'll be more >than happy to rave about the genius in "Death Valley Nights" or "Morning >Final" any time.) The negative attitude and cynicism arise with regard to >promises of future work. Most of this comes not from mean-spiritedness, >but instead from past form. > No, there isn't much slamming of the back catalog (excepting CN), but I was thinking more of the general attitude towards the band NOW. >>...and I may not be a BOC-L curmudgeon, but that doesn't mean I'm >>a 14 year old know nothing kid. >(Ummm...I don't recall anyone saying you were.) no, you didn't, but the impression I've gotten (maybe wrongly) is that some people on this list tend to ignore people that are new to this list, as theo commented, because they are " somehow more enlightened" (I know its not the exact context the comment was made in, but it fit) and I was a little annoyed because of the tone of some of the posts....again you didn't say that. my apologies, I was just venting again >>Every time I've seen BOC, I've been amazed by Buck/Joe/Jon/Eric (whoever). >>And for anyone who might think I'm fawning, I could go post to >>MMC/ROCK/BOC on AOL or better yet, Eric and Buck's E-mail addresses are >>well known. >No one said you were. You _are_ welcome here. We could all use some >optimism. again, I was being a little defensive, but the negativity on this list sometimes just really gets my blood boiling.....especially with the "info" and comments that seem to have a real hurtfull tone.....like the one about "the record company hearing what they had and telling them to piss off".....gee, haven't heard that from anyone else... where'd it come from, and if he's such a fan, why does he sound so gleeful about it? rumors only make things worse, and stories about "I heard from so-and-so who heard from someone else that this happened" really don't make things any better. I would think if everyone was such big fans they'd be a little more supportive. I'm not saying I like waiting (you think I like waiting 4 or 5 years for a new Queensryche album? or King's X, or etc, etc...) for the new material, but I consider myself lucky because, quite frankly, I never expected to hear anything after Club Ninja! I hope I haven't pissed everyone off, but again, I think they ARE one of the best bands in the world, and I hate to see this going on. I don't even bother to post to the Queensryche group most of the time (and personally I LIKED _Promised Land_, and I don't think they are disappearing up their own a**es...it's called progression) because I have little hope for that forum.....but I don't want to give up on BOC. I've gotten so much pleasure from the albums and shows (not to mention how cordial they've been everytime I met them) that I feel _I_ owe them that much. sorry to ramble.....it's been a long day Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jan 22 17:18:36 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:18:36 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > well, as far studio, you're right.....but I was basing my opinion on having just > seen them in December and my experiences a few years ago. I place alot of > emphasis on live performance, and I still think BOC is one of the best live > bands I've ever seen > Say, where'd you see them? They only did two gigs in Dec. if I recall correctly, and I saw them at Utica. And you're right, they absolutely leveled the place exc. for EB's incredible shrinking vox... > no, you didn't, but the impression I've gotten (maybe wrongly) is that some > people on this list tend to ignore people that are new to this list, as theo > commented, because they are " somehow more enlightened" (I know its not the > exact context the comment was made in, but it fit) and I was a little annoyed > because of the tone of some of the posts....again you didn't say that. > my apologies, I was just venting again > I think what I said was that there was a perception on BOC-L that maybe, because we're generally more critical, we somehow feel more enlightened than the folks on AOL. That was only a theory, and one I don't nec. believe to be true. As for the newer people on the list, I've only been on the list for a year, I think, so I'm no oldtimer either. And a lot of the biggest contributors are people without too much time in BOC-L... >> again, I was being a little defensive, but the negativity on this list sometimes just > really gets my blood boiling.....especially with the "info" and comments that seem > to have a real hurtfull tone.....like the one about "the record company hearing what > they had and telling them to piss off".....gee, haven't heard that from anyone else... > where'd it come from, and if he's such a fan, why does he sound so gleeful about it? > rumors only make things worse, and stories about "I heard from so-and-so who heard > from someone else that this happened" really don't make things any better. I would > That wasn't from me, but ya know, if the record co. execs heard EB at the gig I saw, I think they'd have legitimate doubts. I think I would, and the guys one of my all-time heroes! theo From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Wed Jan 22 19:00:37 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:00:37 +0300 Subject: Burg Herzberg (was: HW: cassetts (answer)) Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >Can any one tell me what hawkwind played on there last tour? > Here it goes: > 02.11.1995, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 110/9 ... Does anybody here have a list from Burg Herzberg Open Air (20.07.96)? Yuri From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Jan 22 19:49:09 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:49:09 -0600 Subject: HW: Drummer on TV Clip Message-ID: >I was at the home of one of the "Australian Hawklords" last night, >and after watching the video of their gigs, we watched a tape taken >from UK TV in the mid 80's. The tape also had Motorhead performing >before HW on another stage. The line up was Brock/Davey/HLL/Harvey >and a drummer I didn't recognise with short black hair and a >moustache. I'd say that it was 83 or 84 ... any idea when this was >and who the drummer may have been anyone? Hi Paul, I think that would be the show called 'ECT' and the drummer would be Clive Deamer, who used to play football with a guy I worked with once funnily enough. Clive went on to play with the Big Town Playboys and is featured on Jeff Beck's tribute to Gene Vincent and Cliff Gallup, 'Crazy Legs'. Star Rats From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 22 20:52:15 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:52:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Drummer on TV Clip In-Reply-To: <199701230049.SAA21256@mx3.io.com> Message-ID: On 22 Jan 97 at 18:49, Hawkwind wrote: > >I was at the home of one of the "Australian Hawklords" last night, > >and after watching the video of their gigs, we watched a tape taken > >from UK TV in the mid 80's. The tape also had Motorhead performing > >before HW on another stage. The line up was Brock/Davey/HLL/Harvey > >and a drummer I didn't recognise with short black hair and a > >moustache. I'd say that it was 83 or 84 ... any idea when this was > >and who the drummer may have been anyone? > > Hi Paul, > I think that would be the show called 'ECT' and the drummer > would be > Clive Deamer, who used to play football with a guy I worked with > once funnily enough. Clive went on to play with the Big Town > Playboys and is featured on Jeff Beck's tribute to Gene Vincent and > Cliff Gallup, 'Crazy Legs'. Thanks Dale, I had a look through Bernhards lists, and came to the same conlusion. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Jan 22 20:23:49 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:23:49 -0500 Subject: CD Swap?/QS&C In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 22, 97 07:34:59 pm Message-ID: hiya-- i've an extra, sealed copy of Quark Strangeness and Charm that i'd like (if possible) to trade for either the Sonic Attack or Choose Your Masques cd release. QS&C is the griffin cd release GCDHA1622. feel free to email me directly if you're interested in aa trade (or to propose some other form of deal, it's just that those are the top two HW cd's on my want list at the moment) dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jan 22 20:33:18 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:33:18 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 Message-ID: >the impression I've gotten (maybe wrongly) is that some >people on this list tend to ignore people that are new to this list, as theo >commented, because they are " somehow more enlightened" (I know its not the >exact context the comment was made in, but it fit) and I was a little annoyed >because of the tone of some of the posts....again you didn't say that. >my apologies, I was just venting again You know, I did notice this too... on SOME mailing-lists. Which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist here, mind you, cause it probably does. But I find it much less intense on BOC-L then on any other list I've been on. In the whole, I've found most members of this list quite open and welcoming... And the funny thing is that, even though people HAVE been a bit negative lately, this list is also the one I've found the most interesting up to now. On most others, no matter how interesting the subjects, the threads would generally come down to quality writing such as "that's good", "no that's bad", "I tell you it's good !" followed by a flame war of some sort ! Yuck. Here, people seem generally more reasonable, open to discussion and actually manage saying pertinent things ;-) >I don't even bother to post to the >Queensryche group most of the time (and personally I LIKED _Promised Land_, and I >don't think they are disappearing up their own a**es...it's called progression) ... or progressive rock ? ;-) BTW, I too liked "Promised Land"... A LOT ! Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Jan 22 20:33:20 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:33:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world Message-ID: Speaking of silly laws, I just read a good one ! The French government is currently considering to limit sales of RPGs in France and to "force" RPG companies to add stickers on their games to warn buyers that "role playing games may be hazardous to your health" !!! Tell me I'm dreaming ! *sigh* Now, all the above is being "considered" (but it IS official) so it means that nothing has been decided yet, but it seems to be well under way. *re-sigh* Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Wed Jan 22 20:46:48 1997 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:46:48 -0500 Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970121184600.0069e3dc@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jan 21, 97 06:46:53 pm Message-ID: bernhard et al i have this list of dates (from bernhard probably!) which includes one date in 1971, was MM involved in this gig? - 22.06.1971 # - 25.07.1973 * - 10.08.1974 * - 20.10.1980 * - 16.12.1980 # - 18.12.1981 * - 12.11.1982 * - 13.03.1984 * - 14.03.1984 * - 17.04.1984 * - 03.12.1985 * - 04.12.1985 # **if anyone has tapes of the 22/6/71+16.12.80+4/12/85 gigs and would care to trade, please email me directly) best dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > > Hi Mike > > At 16:41 21.01.97 GMT, you wrote: > >I'm making up a tape for a Moorcock fan. It would be useful to have a > >list of Moorcock poetry and tracks (or directly Moorcock related tracks) > >which don't appear on Warrior, Space Ritual, CYM or either Chronicles. > >Dates of live tapes would be particularly useful. Any help from the > >assembled experts out there appreciated... > > TOWN HALL DATE DAY TIME > ========================================= > > Southampton Top Rank 25.07.73 Wed 100 > Harlow Park Festival 10.08.74 Sat 70 > Preston Guild Hall 20.10.80 Mon 80 > London Rainbow 18.12.81 Fri 120 > London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Fri 120 > London Hammersmith 13.03.84 Tue 110 > London Hammersmith 14.03.84 Wed 120 > Oxford Apollo 17.03.84 Sat 120 > London Hammersmith 03.12.85 Tue 115 > London Hammersmith 04.12.85 Wed 115 > > > > Hope that helps > > Bernhard > From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Wed Jan 22 21:00:59 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:00:59 +0100 Subject: CALVERT UPDATE Message-ID: hello all, various updates have taken place on the Calvert site: the two main pages, listing all works of Robert Calvert in chronological order have been updated and retweaked. You'll find various additional texts and images - and ALL graphics will load much faster now. Apart from that you'll find a number of new links on these pages and on the COLLAB-RELATIONS page on various musos who worked with Calvert or feel inspired by his and Hawkwind's work. THE PORTRAIT page, describing the whole project has been retweaked as well, incl. some new pics. A lot of new material is under way - some new world(-wide-web-)premiere's amongst it: texts, sounds and graphics. keep your mouse's ready! - and, as always: any comments, suggestions....are welcome. The more response and hits this site receives the better the chancesare to continue this project up to the CD-ROM and video portrait on Calvert. so, do use the mail button you'll find at the end of most of the pages... all the best, knut gerwers the spirit of the p/age: a portrait of Robert Calvert http://www.thing.de/projekte/future knut gerwers fax: *30 - 24749 700 email: kg at mediopolis.de From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Wed Jan 22 21:01:20 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:01:20 +0100 Subject: YOUR INPUT ON THE CALVERT SITE! Message-ID: hello all - again, ok, over the last few months 'the spirit of the p/age', the on-line source on / portrait of Robert Calvert has grown into quite a big pool of infos on Mr. C. and the famous band that you all still enjoy. now, how about some feedback, some actual INPUT FROM YOU??? let me - and the rest of the virtual world - know what you think, feel and like about Robert Calvert, resp. the time he was in Hawkwind. I want to compile an online-kaleidoscope of opinons, comments, memories, appraisals....- in short: FEEDBACK from all those who've followed the track of Calvert & Hawkwind for a long time, who appreciated their work for a long time (and still do), who's life took a completely different course since they first heard those 'fatal' notes of "Quark..." / "Silver Machine" / "Hassan I Sahba" / "Orgone Accumulator"....or whatever it was... what made / makes Calvert's and Hawkwind's works so special for YOU??? what precisely was / is this 'spirit of the age'? You might have read Brock's, Moorcock's, Rudolph's and other people's opinion on this on the Calvert pages - but what are your thoughts on the man and the band? NOW here's the chance to speak up!! please send your statements, comments, essays....however you like to call it to the 'spirit's host' @: kg at mediopolis.de everyone of you who already dived a bit deeper into the spirit's p/age might already know, that this web-site is 'only' meant to be the first step of a much bigger project on Calvert. - the next stages should be a CD-ROM and, finally, a full-scale video/TV portrait of R.C. Now, this isn't easy to achieve as I have to convince the responsible editors to hand over the means of production (money that is, in the end) - YOU can actually HELP me in this undertaking by supporting the Calvert-web with your contribution, your visits and comments. The higher the hit-rate and the more feedback the spirit receives - the better the chances are to convince the editors - AND the more interesting the Calvert-web becomes. So, take a break, think of Mr. Calvert & the favourite band of yours - and tell the spirit what you think, feel, like.... - but, please don't send 10 /20 /30 pages....have mercy on me and the readers - try to be as brief, witty, sharp and outrageous as possible... Alright, now get inter-active, click the 'new message' button and get a part of 'the spirit of the p/age'. looking forward to hearing from (all) of you! knut gerwers the spirit of the p/age: a portrait of Robert Calvert http://www.thing.de/projekte/future knut gerwers fax: *30 - 24749 700 email: kg at mediopolis.de From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jan 22 21:46:16 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:46:16 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 In-Reply-To: <1DF9E595210@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Say, where'd you see them? They only did two gigs in Dec. if I >recall correctly, and I saw them at Utica. And you're right, they >absolutely leveled the place exc. for EB's incredible shrinking >vox... > I was at the York, PA gig on the 27th. I wasn't too sure of how Eric's vocals sounded, because as usual, he seemed to be kind of low in the mix. Could have had something to do with the fact that I was standing in front Buck, right behind his monitor wedges! :-) >I think what I said was that there was a perception on BOC-L that >maybe, because we're generally more critical, we somehow feel more >enlightened than the folks on AOL. That was only a theory, and one I >don't nec. believe to be true. right, I understand thats what you meant when you said that... >> (I know its not the exact context the comment was made in, but it fit) is how I put it then - I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth :-) >As for the newer people on the list, I've only been on the list for a >year, I think, so I'm no oldtimer either. And a lot of the biggest >contributors are people without too much time in BOC-L... well, as I said, I could be wrong about this, it just seems to be the perception I've picked up over the last month or two that I've been on the list >>> again, I was being a little defensive, but the negativity on this list sometimes just >> really gets my blood boiling.....especially with the "info" and comments that seem >> to have a real hurtfull tone.....like the one about "the record company hearing what >> they had and telling them to piss off".....gee, haven't heard that from anyone else... >> where'd it come from, and if he's such a fan, why does he sound so gleeful about it? >> rumors only make things worse, and stories about "I heard from so-and-so who heard >> from someone else that this happened" really don't make things any better. I would >> >That wasn't from me, but ya know, if the record co. execs heard EB at >the gig I saw, I think they'd have legitimate doubts. I think I >would, and the guys one of my all-time heroes! I didn't say it was from you.....and I won't rehash it and point any fingers..... the point I was trying to make is this - when it comes to the record deal, I believe probably the only people who could speak authoritatively on it, well they're not on the list! there are probably a couple sides to the story, and I don't think we have any current members of the group or any members of their management or record company on the list. Kind of hard for anyone to really say whats going on without it being a rumour, eh? For the record, I asked Buck on the 27th (well, it was the 28th by then) but at that time he said there was about 3 days worth of recording and mixing to do before the album was done, which they would complete after the swing out west. He also said that the only hang up so far was a US distribution deal. Now, he may not have been telling me everything - why should he? he doesn't know me very well, but I don't see any reason for him to lie either. I choose to look at this optimistically. Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Jan 22 22:24:49 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:24:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: <9701221349.aa06264@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, M Holmes wrote: > Jeese, and you guys started a revolution over a 3p per year tax?? Yeah, but the issue (as I'm sure you well know, but I'm just saying...) was that these taxes were placed on us by government officials for whom we had no vote. Y'know, the ol' "taxation w/out representation" deal. WAAAY off, Damon From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Jan 22 22:43:44 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:43:44 EST Subject: tBS: Jam Session Message-ID: I thought I'd take this opportunity to start a new thread (totally positive and thoroughly uplifting!) to get us away from the frustrating speculation about the new BOC album. Let's talk about the jam session that the Brain Surgeons recently recorded. I don't have the post with me at the moment, but didn't Al say they played 2 former tBS songs as well as one new one? Any guesses on what those 2 songs might be? What tBS songs do you think would translate the best to an acoustic arrangement? tBS songs that would make great acoustic songs: Language Of Love Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye Stones In My Passway A Kiss Is A Promise Sally Everything Is Blue If U Come Close (mostly acoustic to begin with) Locked Up Lil' Egypt (maybe with some sitar) Earthquake Boogie Casa Del Sol (slide guitar?) Can anyone think of any more, or think that I've listed something that wouldn't work? Will this recording be released through the mailing list anytime soon? Does anyone believe that tBS should stay totally away from any acoustic performances whatsoever? Remember what KISS sounded like unplugged? ;) I know... not a fair comparison. Brian obsong> Operation Luv From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Jan 22 22:53:55 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:53:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: "No taxation without representation!" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, QUEST wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, M Holmes wrote: > > Jeese, and you guys started a revolution over a 3p per year tax?? > > Yeah, but the issue (as I'm sure you well know, but I'm just saying...) > was that these taxes were placed on us by government officials for whom we > had no vote. Y'know, the ol' "taxation w/out representation" deal. So you mean I should start my own revolution? ;-) (As a Nonresident Alien [I am], I must pay federal and state taxes, etc. but am not allowed to vote or, now, even avail myself of services I pay to support, were I ever in need of them. Not that I am complaining, mind you...) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gong, _You_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 04:18:04 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:18:04 +0000 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: <009AEC3E.2FA7E1E0.24@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: I personally am a little wary of the whole unplugged concept. I think it is a great idea to hear songs that are usually electric performed in an acoustic manner, but it seems completely pointless when they are performed with drums, electric bass and lots of supporting musicians, such as the Nirvana and Alice in Chains MTV broadcasts. And the concept of Neil Young and Bob Dylan unplugged seems a bit like taking coals to Newcastle. It is also disappointing when bands perform songs that were recorded in an acoustic style, too. And it is hardly a new concept - bands like Hot Tuna have been doing it for 25 years, on and off. What would be really worthwhile, and it does happen, I know, would be to hear predominantly loud, electric bands perform their predominantly loud, electric songs completely acoustically, with no supporting musicians. Interesting choices, to my mind, would be Band of Susans, Prong, The Cult, Lydia Lunch and Rowland S Howard, and, of course, BOC performing some of their older material. This is no intended criticism of tBS, I am certain they would do a killer acoustic set - I just feel that it is a rather overhyped 'concept'. Martin On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, BRIAN HALLIGAN wrote: > I thought I'd take this opportunity to start a new thread (totally positive and > thoroughly uplifting!) to get us away from the frustrating speculation about the > new BOC album. Let's talk about the jam session that the Brain Surgeons > recently recorded. I don't have the post with me at the moment, but didn't Al > say they played 2 former tBS songs as well as one new one? Any guesses on what > those 2 songs might be? What tBS songs do you think would translate the best > to an acoustic arrangement? > > tBS songs that would make great acoustic songs: > Language Of Love > Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye > Stones In My Passway > A Kiss Is A Promise > Sally > Everything Is Blue > If U Come Close (mostly acoustic to begin with) > Locked Up > Lil' Egypt (maybe with some sitar) > Earthquake Boogie > Casa Del Sol (slide guitar?) > > Can anyone think of any more, or think that I've listed something that wouldn't > work? Will this recording be released through the mailing list anytime soon? > Does anyone believe that tBS should stay totally away from any acoustic > performances whatsoever? Remember what KISS sounded like unplugged? ;) I > know... not a fair comparison. > > Brian > > obsong> Operation Luv > From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 04:14:30 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:14:30 UT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world Message-ID: >Speaking of silly laws, I just read a good one ! The French government is >currently considering to limit sales of RPGs in France and to "force" RPG >companies to add stickers on their games to warn buyers that "role playing >games may be hazardous to your health" !!! Hmm... there's definitely a problem, although I'm not sure censorship is really the right way to deal with it. A spell in the army for first offenders is probably more effective. But since France has just announced the end of compulsory military service, what's to be done? Not that I'm against a bit of role-playing in the right company... - Andy ObCD: Mick Farren's Tijuana Bible - _Gringo Madness_ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 05:40:46 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:40:46 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:14:30 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > >Speaking of silly laws, I just read a good one ! The French government is > >currently considering to limit sales of RPGs in France and to "force" RPG > >companies to add stickers on their games to warn buyers that "role playing > >games may be hazardous to your health" !!! > > Hmm... there's definitely a problem, although I'm not sure censorship is > really the right way to deal with it. A spell in the army for first offenders > is probably more effective. But since France has just announced the end of > compulsory military service, what's to be done? Set fire to some sheep? FoFP From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 06:59:28 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:59:28 +1000 Subject: HW: Gigs file via ftp Message-ID: Hi All, I just made Bernhard's gigs list available via ftp in various formats: They are all at ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique The variations available are: Word 6: ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGS.doc (zip): ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGS.zip Rtf: ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGS.rtf (zip): ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGSr.zip Text: ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGS.txt (zip) ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/HW-GIGSt.zip The text version is also available via http: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/gigs.txt or http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/gigs.zip Best, Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 07:03:48 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:03:48 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex Message-ID: Hi Again, I forgot something ... Mike & Jill's latest Codex has been put on http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files as well. And if you care to have a sneak preview of the (very much) under construction WWW version, check out http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/Codex Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 07:47:33 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:47:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: from "QUEST" at Jan 22, 97 09:24:49 pm Message-ID: > > Jeese, and you guys started a revolution over a 3p per year tax?? > > Yeah, but the issue (as I'm sure you well know, but I'm just saying...) > was that these taxes were placed on us by government officials for whom we > had no vote. Y'know, the ol' "taxation w/out representation" deal. Yes--nowadays the government avoids that problem by raising taxes no matter _who_ you vote for. Cunning, eh? ObHWQuote: "...can't go forward and you can't go back ..." Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 07:55:40 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:55:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: <9701231040.aa06255@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jan 23, 97 10:40:46 am Message-ID: > > But since France has just announced the end of > > compulsory military service, what's to be done? > > Set fire to some sheep? I endorse this policy unilaterally as a good first response to nearly anything. Cheers, Carl From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Jan 23 09:21:19 1997 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:21:19 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: Martin wrote: >I personally am a little wary of the whole unplugged concept. I think it >is a great idea to hear songs that are usually electric performed in an >acoustic manner, but it seems completely pointless when they are performed >with drums, electric bass and lots of supporting musicians, such as the >Nirvana and Alice in Chains MTV broadcasts. understood. It all really started to take off as a fab thing to do when Eric Clapton made gonzo radio airtime with his little Mtv stint. But still > > >......This is no intended criticism of tBS, I am certain >they would do a killer acoustic set - I just feel that it is a rather >overhyped 'concept'. What is far worse is the rash of "Symphonic Music of (insert band name here)" LPs popping up everywhere (as in the ludicrous notion of symphonic Rolling Stones, Queen, and Toto(!) to name a few...). In my opinion,the whole notion of Symph. rock was best explored in a time long since past (Procol Harum's numerous dabblings,Deep Purple's Concerto for Group and Orchestra,etc.). Its a far more cliched thing to do these days. At least with acoustic performances as they have manifested themselves to date, the original artists are actively involved in the arrangement of material and play it. Nonetheless, if the chance to hear the Brain Surgeons perform non-electric renditions of their tunes does arise, it ought to be interesting to hear how well (or (god forbid) badly, since we shouldn't put the stamp of approval on a product without inspecting it)they do in this sort of acousticified atmosphere. Jason S. obLP:Caravan and the New Symphonia (just by coincidence mind you) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:19:21 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:19:21 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:55:40 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > But since France has just announced the end of > > > compulsory military service, what's to be done? > > > > Set fire to some sheep? > > I endorse this policy unilaterally as a good first response to > nearly anything. Don't be prejudiced - sheep are fine beasts, even Dave Brock mentions them in his lyrics so I'm all for making them a protected species 8-)) Anyhow natural wool doesn't burn well. On the other hand I'd strongly recommend cows as a fit subject for primary combustion. jill "....don't be a sheep, baa, baa, baa" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:39:19 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:39:19 +0000 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > If you still have a copy of the UK Club Ninja, I would like to buy > > it from you. Sorry, I have nothing to trade. > > I was going to mention that I saw one of these for sale as a > cheap cut-out in the Cambridge market today ... I can take a look > again for it (unless jazza beats me to it ;) It was about 4 quid, > I think. Don't worry, Carl, I'm _trying_ not to buy music this term. That said, there ius also on another stall in Cambridge Market a Tangerine Dream CD called `Electronic Meditation' - going cheap. Is it a good idea to get this, being as the band will be new to me? I'm sure one of the knowledgeable people of BOC-L can help me decide... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 08:38:14 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:38:14 UT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world Message-ID: Jill says >On the other hand I'd strongly recommend cows as a fit subject for >primary combustion. Aren't all the cattle carcasses from the BSE slaughter programme being burnt in power stations for electricity? Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:45:42 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:45:42 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Ted Alger wrote: > >>...and I may not be a BOC-L curmudgeon, but that doesn't mean I'm > >>a 14 year old know nothing kid. > >(Ummm...I don't recall anyone saying you were.) > > no, you didn't, but the impression I've gotten (maybe wrongly) is that some > people on this list tend to ignore people that are new to this list, as theo > commented, because they are " somehow more enlightened" (I know its not the > exact context the comment was made in, but it fit) and I was a little annoyed > because of the tone of some of the posts....again you didn't say that. > my apologies, I was just venting again I must admit that when I joined BOC-L, there was a flame war of no small degree going on, and that was one of the flames - "how long have _you_ been on BOC-L?" - "how useful is _your_ contribution?" It was soem time before I posted, because I felt as if I had to pass some kind of test of worthiness. I should have known better. I've never caught abuse on this list for saying what I wanted to say, and I doubt I ever will. Even with the number of `OFF' threads I feed... Besides, I've been on long enough now for the thanks to BOC-L in BoH to mean _me_, too! Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 08:47:19 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:47:19 +0000 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:39:19 GMT." Message-ID: > Don't worry, Carl, I'm _trying_ not to buy music this term. That said, > there ius also on another stall in Cambridge Market a Tangerine Dream CD > called `Electronic Meditation' - going cheap. Is it a good idea to get > this, being as the band will be new to me? I'm sure one of the > knowledgeable people of BOC-L can help me decide... There's probably someone out there (Craig ?) more in a position to reccommend TD to you, but I'd say no to EM as a starter. Isn't that one of their noisy first few albums ? Better to go for something when they were established (mid 70s - early 80's) Definitive TD (for me) Green Desert Hyperborea Thief soundtrack but thats very much IMHO. Tim From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 08:58:38 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:58:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Yes--nowadays the government avoids that problem by raising taxes > no matter _who_ you vote for. Cunning, eh? So, are you saying that the governemt should only raise taxes on the people who vote it in? _I_ like that idea, I'll be safe for years... Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 23 09:08:25 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:08:25 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session Message-ID: I think most of tBS songs could be done acoustically, or in some other form, and would sound fairly cool. Music can be played in a variety of ways and still sound good. True, some songs in tBS repetoire (especially some of the Trepanaion tunes) would probably sound best behind a thick wall of guitars as they are today, but I think it's cool to take a song and turn it around some how. Sure, the whole "Unplugged" thing is kind of a fad that eMpTyV decided to jump on and claim as theirs (but hey, at least that's remotely connected to MUSIC - not like all the other stupid stuff they do - I mean "singled out"? Please! Jenny McCarthy may have nice t*ts, but they don't exactly make music, do they?). Of course tribute albums are also a recent fad that we could probably do without. I don't mind cover songs, but just getting a bunch of currently hot artists to do an album-full of covers on one artist is a bit much (sometimes they can be cool though). To me, doing something "Unplugged" can be cool, but it's not for everybody - it's like listening to studio outtakes or something - it's interesting to hear a few times, but is usually no substitute for the original - and it certainly doesn't seem like it should be some sort of "fad" that MTV has made it. Having said that, I think it would be cool to hear some tBS songs done acoustically (or orchestrally, or even electronically for that matter). Again, I think any of their songs could be done acoustically in some form and be interesting, but here's a few additions to Brian's list: Most Romantic Place in the World (666) Devil Got Your Mother (this could be really wacky) Time Will Take Care of You Hansel & Gretel St. Vitus Dance Date With A Guitar Tender Was the Night Donkey Show Laura's Plastic Swords As you can see, I picked a few "heavier" songs than Brian did (well, he took all the mellower stuff ;-) ), but I think a heavy song can work acoustically - it would at least be interesting to hear. John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Thu Jan 23 09:33:37 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:33:37 UT Subject: OFF - CD Swap? Message-ID: >There's probably someone out there (Craig ?) more in a position to reccommend >TD to you, but I'd say no to EM as a starter. Isn't that one of their noisy >first few albums ? In fact, it's their very first album - not one I've actually got myself, but J. Cope esq says: "It's a fucking riot that even the Texan bands never came close to. If you think you've heard rock'n'roll without hearing this LP, you are crazy." - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 09:48:40 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:48:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Silly laws all over the world In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:38:14 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Jill says > > >On the other hand I'd strongly recommend cows as a fit subject for > >primary combustion. > > Aren't all the cattle carcasses from the BSE slaughter programme being burnt > in power stations for electricity? Not any more. We're setting fire to them in the Channel Tunnel instead. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Jan 23 10:04:54 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:04:54 +0800 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >There's probably someone out there (Craig ?) more in a position to reccommend > >TD to you, but I'd say no to EM as a starter. Isn't that one of their noisy > >first few albums ? > > In fact, it's their very first album - not one I've actually got myself, but > J. Cope esq says: "It's a fucking riot that even the Texan bands never came > close to. If you think you've heard rock'n'roll without hearing this LP, you > are crazy." > I can't remember exactly which one came first, but Electronic Meditation is similar to Saucerful of Secrets and just as good. William PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Jan 23 10:48:31 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:48:31 EST Subject: tBS: Jam Session Message-ID: John said... >I think most of tBS songs could be done acoustically, or in some other >form, and would sound fairly cool. Music can be played in a variety of >ways and still sound good. True, some songs in tBS repetoire (especially >some of the Trepanaion tunes) would probably sound best behind a thick >wall of guitars as they are today, but I think it's cool to take a song >and turn it around some how. Sure, the whole "Unplugged" thing is kind >of a fad that eMpTyV decided to jump on and claim as theirs (but hey, >at least that's remotely connected to MUSIC - not like all the other >stupid stuff they do - I mean "singled out"? Please! Jenny McCarthy >may have nice t*ts, but they don't exactly make music, do they?). Has anyone seen MTV2? It's the "all music, all the time" concept that made MTV originally interesting. Unfortunately, almost everything that you can do with a music video has already been done. I mean, how are you supposed to top a Peter Gabriel video? I personally think that videos are on the way out. Hopefully this means more kids will go to shows and a new generation of arena-rock bands will flourish. >Of course tribute albums are also a recent fad that we could probably do >without. I don't mind cover songs, but just getting a bunch of currently >hot artists to do an album-full of covers on one artist is a bit much >(sometimes they can be cool though). To me, doing something "Unplugged" >can be cool, but it's not for everybody - it's like listening to studio >outtakes or something - it's interesting to hear a few times, but is >usually no substitute for the original - and it certainly doesn't seem >like it should be some sort of "fad" that MTV has made it. The only MTV Unplugged performance that I appreciate more than the original recording is when Great White played "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You". Now GW is not Led Zeppelin, but for some reason everything came together for them on stage. I also have some acoustic performances by The Cult which draw my attention sometimes. On the whole I agree with your observation though. >Having said that, I think it would be cool to hear some tBS songs done >acoustically (or orchestrally, or even electronically for that matter). >Again, I think any of their songs could be done acoustically in some >form and be interesting, but here's a few additions to Brian's list: > >Most Romantic Place in the World >(666) Devil Got Your Mother (this could be really wacky) 666 would sound incredible with a choir and orchestra. Imagine "O Fortuna" mixed with Zappa's "G-Spot Tornado". >Time Will Take Care of You >Hansel & Gretel >St. Vitus Dance >Date With A Guitar >Tender Was the Night >Donkey Show >Laura's Plastic Swords > >As you can see, I picked a few "heavier" songs than Brian did (well, he >took all the mellower stuff ;-) ), but I think a heavy song can work >acoustically - it would at least be interesting to hear. > >John Some of those are a stretch, but I'll buy it. I've personally thought that Tender Was the Night would make a cool polka- but that's another post (one you won't be seeing here for sure). Brian From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Thu Jan 23 12:15:28 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:15:28 -0800 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:18:04 +0000, dench >>>>> said: Martin> What would be really worthwhile, and it does happen, I know, Martin> would be to hear predominantly loud, electric bands perform Martin> their predominantly loud, electric songs completely Martin> acoustically, with no supporting musicians. Interesting Martin> choices, to my mind, would be Band of Susans, Prong, The Cult, Martin> Lydia Lunch and Rowland S Howard, and, of course, BOC performing Martin> some of their older material. Whenever I think about this topic, just three words come to mind: Bolt Thrower Unplugged And, of course, it's all Steve's fault. ;-) -- Mike From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jan 23 12:27:38 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:27:38 +0100 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? Message-ID: >PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Thu Jan 23 12:40:03 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:40:03 -0800 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:21:19 -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision >>>>> said: Jason> What is far worse is the rash of "Symphonic Music of (insert band Jason> name here)" LPs popping up everywhere (as in the ludicrous notion Jason> of symphonic Rolling Stones, Queen, and Toto(!) to name a Jason> few...). I agree, although I do think the Symphonic Pink Floyd comes across pretty well. Jason> In my opinion,the whole notion of Symph. rock was best explored Jason> in a time long since past (Procol Harum's numerous dabblings,Deep Jason> Purple's Concerto for Group and Orchestra,etc.). Its a far more Jason> cliched thing to do these days. At least with acoustic Jason> performances as they have manifested themselves to date, the Jason> original artists are actively involved in the arrangement of Jason> material and play it. Anything "fashionable" goes through cycles, though. I've heard that, in the early '70's, acoustic music became fashionable, and even Led Zeppelin was accused of "selling out" to the trend with Zeppelin III. Of course, this is just hearsay because, in the early '70s, I was more concerned with Tinkertoys than the music industry. Regardless of whether this is entirely true or not, after 20 years of punk, hard rock, and heavy metal, we shouldn't be surprised that people might "burn out" on the current sound, and in searching for a change of pace, "discover" acoustic music, symphonic rock, grunge, etc. -- Mike From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jan 23 12:55:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:55:00 +0000 Subject: YOUR INPUT ON THE CALVERT SITE! In-Reply-To: VideoFest Berlin's mail of Thu, 23 Jan 97 03:01 +0100 Message-ID: Since you've posted this to BOC-L, I think it's relevant to say that the comment about "the trainspotters on the BOC-L list" (or words to that effect) is uncalled for. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Jan 23 12:23:21 1997 From: pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brian "_pink" Davis) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:23:21 -0400 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? In-Reply-To: <199701231727.SAA15676@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: >>PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? > >Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. If you want to include ALL recorded music that has been released by members of the band then you might wanna put: David Gilmours band 'Jokers Wild' as first Pink Floyds work on 'Tonight lets All Make Love in London' SNDTRK second Piper 3rd Saucer 4th just being generally obnoxious I guess... ;^) Uh, yeah, I got some Floyd if anyone wants to do some tradin' (just hit my homepage if ya need proof!) _______________________________________________________________________ . | __ ( ) | |\| |< email me: mailto:pink at uga.cc.uga.edu | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ _______________________________________________________________________ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 15:07:47 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:07:47 +0000 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: <009AECA3.6FD07D80.245@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN HALLIGAN" at Jan 23, 97 10:48:31 am Message-ID: > Hopefully this means more kids will go to shows and a new > generation of arena-rock bands will flourish. I personally vote for an increased number of quality club-venue bands. I like small venue shows much better than arena shows :) But the more people that go and see live music, the better the world will be. As for "Unplugged" ... I'm with Animal, as heard on the _Kermit Unplugged_ album: "Plug in! PLUG IN!!" :) Cheers, Carl From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Jan 23 15:38:50 1997 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:38:50 +0100 Subject: gigs featuring Moorcock tracks? Message-ID: Hi there >- 22.06.1971 # >- 16.12.1980 # AFAIK tapes from these gigs don't exist unfortunately >- 04.12.1985 # I've got it !!! cu Bernhard From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 18:00:57 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:00:57 +1000 Subject: HW: Codex files on Sonique page Message-ID: Hi, I just found out that our WWW server was moved to a different machine a few days ago, so the the updated Codex I mentioned in yesterdays post will NOT be found at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files. If you want to get a copy, you can from the machine I *thought* was the WWW server http://maxwell.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files Oh, and if you've tried to mail me at sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au, that changed too (without my knowledge) .... my private mail address is sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au. Aaarrgghh!! Paul/Sonique/Why me? -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Jan 23 17:11:19 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:11:19 +0100 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: >Regardless of whether this is entirely true or not, after 20 years of >punk, hard rock, and heavy metal, we shouldn't be surprised that people >might "burn out" on the current sound, and in searching for a change of >pace, "discover" acoustic music, symphonic rock, grunge, etc. And let us not forget folk music, which had a brief time of glory in the late 80's, early 90's, with Suzanne Vega, Eddie Brickle, Tracy Chapman, and several other artists. Too bad the movement didn't last longer... I would trade any techno-babble (!) horror anytime for a good old folk song :-o Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jan 23 18:25:25 1997 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:25:25 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: Hi folks, Hate to come online like this with bad news. Just heard from VERY reliable sources that Alan has quit the band to pursue his solo career. Don't get your knickers in a twist until I can confirm this, but from where I'm sitting--it don't look good. I'm working on a NYC venue with Eli for the HW tour....anyone want in??? regards, Bill Stewart From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Jan 23 18:53:20 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:53:20 -0700 Subject: BOC: SLC 1/22/97 Message-ID: I got to meet a fellow list member, Brad Dahl, last night at the BOC show. Great guy, sweet wife (Shelly). We had a good time at the show. Brad D. will have to give you the set list. He wrote it down and my memory isn't that good. To start out I will say that I have given 3OC lots of grief lately. I want everyone to understand that it is out of frustration. And I am still frustrated. And it is going to show in this post. The show started with the standard opening of "Stairway to the Stars" with Eric IMHO having some troubles with the vocals. Throughout the show Eric seemed to be the emcee and not the lead vocalist. At times he sounded as though he was recovering from laryngitis, maybe he is. Buck took the lead vocals for the rest of the show, I think Eric shared them on ETI. New songs played were "Harvest Moon" and "Live in Me". Both sound like good tunes but the sound system and my location to the right of the stage prevented me from hearing the lyrics clearly. They played "The Last Days of May" and made my day. A favorite that I had never heard live. We also got "The Vigil" and "In Thee" from Mirrors. Both done well. These are great tunes live. Another was "Shooting Shark", which I have always liked and I thought it sounded great. At one point the mics stopped working and the decision was made to play "Bucks Boogie". WOW, it was great. And the crowd was in to it. A "staged" mic problem? I hope not, but it doesn't matter... Eric said that the new album would be out "sometime this spring". The show was about 1.5 hours with the BIG 3 coming last. Burnin', Godzilla, Reaper. No encore. A bit short compared to the last time I saw them (1/27/95). BTW Eric called them "the Big 3". When people were screaming for them he said that they would get to the big 3 but that they wanted to play some things that they don't play as often because they want to keep the set list fresh. I'm paraphrasing a bit but it sounds like he's been on this list listening to the complaints ? The frustration: at one point Buck was so pissed with the bars equipment that he gave one of the techs a "this is a fu*king piece of sh*t" while trying to adjust his sound with the foot switches on the floor. He was not happy with his sound most of the night and continued to mess with it almost all night. I don't blame these guys for wanting to do these types of shows. I guess that I just get frustrated seeing a guy like Buck have to screw with equipment and get frustrated as hell in this average joint in Salt Lake. Can this really be fun for them? I hope so. And the peak of my frustration: I want these guys to be inspired and motivated. I want to see them do their creative best. I know I have no right to DEMAND it but I guess I will always HOPE for it. The analogy of children was used before. If you are always negative they turn out messed up. But I also think that (as a parent) you want your children to be successful and accomplish all that they can. When they don't it can be frustrating and maddening. Its the same way with BOC. I want to see and hear their best. But as a parent you also have to learn to live with your children's decisions because they need to be themselves, not what you want them to be. I only hope that the members of BOC are happy... Brad D. make sure to post your review. And don't forget to mention the drummers little notebook. And the Danny Miranda/Blonde Babe episode, it was a great laugh. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu Jan 23 19:10:01 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:10:01 +0100 Subject: YOUR INPUT ON THE CALVERT SITE! Message-ID: Dave Berry responded: Since you've posted this to BOC-L, I think it's relevant to say that the comment about "the trainspotters on the BOC-L list" (or words to that effect) is uncalled for. oh well....sorry, but where's your humour??? - but ok, here are some 'answers': a/ did I wrote anything about "mad / silly / idiotic trainspotters"? No. b/ did I say that there is something fundamentally wrong with trainspotting? No. c/ if you've ever taken a good look at the major parts of the Calvert site, you should notice that one can't deny a certain obsessive attitude about it - you might call it a train-spotterish attitude as well - I wouldn't care, to be honest. It comes with the 'business' of setting up such a project. so, if anyone feels abused by this term, I am afraid you got it all wrong - sorry 'bout that - but you might take as well a look at the THANKS page annexed to the Calvert site - and find you name on it, in case you ever contributed to this site. so, it wasn't meant to be offensive... - t-spotterish greetings for now, k.g. the spirit of the p/age: a portrait of Robert Calvert http://www.thing.de/projekte/future knut gerwers fax: *30 - 24749 700 email: kg at mediopolis.de transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin tel: (*49) *30 - 24749 850 (preliminary) tel: (49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 (from 15/2/97 on) fax: (*49) *30 - 24749 700 (preliminary) fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 (from 15/2/97 on) http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ email: videofest at mediopolis.de From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 23 19:14:04 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:14:04 GMT Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Hi folks, Hate to come online like this with bad news. Just heard from VERY > reliable sources that Alan has quit the band to pursue his solo career. Don't > get your knickers in a twist until I can confirm this, but from where I'm > sitting--it don't look good. > > I'm working on a NYC venue with Eli for the HW tour....anyone want in??? Hey ho - all you have to do is mention the word "tour" and things fall apart. So how about another Hawkfans to the rescue attempt..... Grab your bass guitar, there's still enough time to learn sufficient tracks from Love in Space to stand in as replacement and rescue Hawkwind and the tour. This is Your Chance. Start making your tapes now. Chaos reigns. And a Happy New Year to one and all. Sigh. jill "this is the end now" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Thu Jan 23 20:09:07 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:09:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Set list Message-ID: >New songs played were "Harvest Moon" and "Live in Me". Both sound >like good tunes but the sound system and my location to the right of the >stage prevented me from hearing the lyrics clearly. > >They played "The Last Days of May" and made my day. A favorite that I >had never heard live. We also got "The Vigil" and "In Thee" from Mirrors. >Both done well. These are great tunes live. Another was "Shooting >Shark", which I have always liked and I thought it sounded great. Now I can't wait to see them again, just to here "Last Days" and "Shooting Shark". Anyone heard rumors about gigs in Buffalo NY, Rochester NY, or Erie PA??? From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 21:56:07 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:56:07 +1000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <970123154804_375450189@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 97 at 18:25, Bill Stewart wrote: > Hi folks, Hate to come online like this with bad news. Just heard from VERY > reliable sources that Alan has quit the band to pursue his solo career. Don't > get your knickers in a twist until I can confirm this, but from where I'm > sitting--it don't look good. And today was panning out to be such a good one too :( I'm phoning Doug re: the Oz tour tonight ... I'll see if I can get any info out of him .... Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Jan 23 21:34:00 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Set list In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970124010907.006961cc@buffnet.net> Message-ID: >Now I can't wait to see them again, just to here "Last Days" and "Shooting >Shark". > >Anyone heard rumors about gigs in Buffalo NY, Rochester NY, or Erie PA??? the last from Eric Bloom on AOL a few days ago: JAN 22 salt lake city the holy cow 23 boise bogey's 24 springfield Or mill camp 25 klamath fls Or waldo's 26 longview Wa hotel monticello 27 spokane wa northern corner 28 bellingham wa royal inn 29 burnaby, b.c. studebaker's 30 off 31 burnaby, b.c. 2nd show at studes FEB 01 tacoma, wa masonic ballroom off til 14 new haven toads 15 farmingdale ny tommy knockers 16 binghampton strike zone off til 21 pittsfield ma the studio 22 berlin nh white mt. chalet 23 plattsburg ny scoreboard more comin hope that helps Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu Jan 23 21:38:56 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 03:38:56 +0100 Subject: AMON DUUL London '96 tape Message-ID: hello there, I've just spoken to Chris Karrer from Amon D??l II - he asked me to post a request on the web if anyone might have a recording of the recent ADII concert in London, featuring Arthur Brown. They wanted to record it, but some of their gear obviously fucked up during the recording. So, if anyone wants to help this poor Geman muso to get his own music... Chris also said that there are plans for further collaborations with Arthur Brown...so, keep your eyes & ears open. ok, thanks for your help... all the best, knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin tel: (*49) *30 - 24749 850 (preliminary) tel: (49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 (from 15/2/97 on) fax: (*49) *30 - 24749 700 (preliminary) fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 (from 15/2/97 on) http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ email: videofest at mediopolis.de From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 22:00:26 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:00:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: BOCFAQMAN wrote: >(mostly to deal with criticism), or something to that effect. Finally, >I don't support the idea of telling people certain topics are "off-limits". Neither do I. What I've been trying to imply both on aol, boc-l and to DR himself for the past 4 years is that I think it would be better for Don to get a new band. Lord knows, he has the talent of a half dozen other fine musicians put together. It might not be better for aol or boc-l or BOC but it would be better for Don. I'm certain it's what he really wants but Schenck, who's a more negative person than any post on boc-l ever, has convinced him that it'd be a bad move. but uh, no, I don't wanna be in Don's band. I don't think we really need each other musically any more. Of course, I can only speak for myself. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 22:01:01 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:01:01 -0500 Subject: BOC-L: slavering sycophants vs. harsh critics Message-ID: Ted A opines: >rumors only make things worse, and stories about "I heard from so-and-so >who heard >from someone else that this happened" really don't make things any better. >I would >think if everyone was such big fans they'd be a little more supportive. >I'm not saying Ted, I'm not really a fan of 3OC, OK? I've come to believe that most people on this list are into the truth. In that regard, I posted what I had heard and where I heard it from. It may not come from that "bastion of truth" EB ;-P but most of them are pretty close to the source and are in no way fans. I know Steve Schenck and EB to be straight-up liars. They have both been caught in boldface lies by yours truly. OTOH, Don Roeser, David Roter, my brother Joe and Andy Schernoff have never lied to my knowledge. So maybe Schenck was lying to Andy about loosing the record deal to get his sympathy so he'd take pity on him and let him book the Dictators now. Who knows? The studio never got paid beyond the deposit as of last week. Is this a surprise to anyone other than Ted A? I hope they do get their record out. I hope it's a great record. I wish at least AL and DR all the success they want and deserve. I'm sorry if this post seems downbeat but I really believe that that there's hardly anything that anyone can do to help 3OC right now. Neither slavering sycophants nor harsh critics will make a difference. I have to share a little story with y'all. In 87- 88 just before Imaginos came out I was doing oldies shows with various groups (Peter Noone, Billy J Kramer, Lou Christie, Mammas & Pappas, Spencer Davis etc.). Peter and Spencer were the oldies I got closest to and they would always be talking about how they were going to put out new albums. I actually recorded some new material with Peter and then it just sat there. After about a year of this nonsense I began to nudge each of them and made a startling discovery. They were both afraid to release new stuff. They had gotten comfortable doing the oldies thing and were resistant to rocking (pun intended) the boat. It was too scary a thought that they might release new material and it would not be well received. Incidentally all the oldies acts that I saw or worked with put on dynamite live shows. It's easy once you have sure-fire material, reconition and years of experience honing these songs in a live context. By 1989 I realized the oldies shows were a creative dead end, grateful, nostalgic fans notwithstanding, and got out. Of course it was probably easier for me to give it up because I was not playing my own oldies but I feel fortunate for being able to have seen it from more of an outsider view. By those who see with their eyes closed you'll know me by my black telescope. Al From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Jan 23 22:34:21 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:21 -0600 Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: At 06:25 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi folks, Hate to come online like this with bad news. Just heard from VERY >reliable sources that Alan has quit the band to pursue his solo career. Don't >get your knickers in a twist until I can confirm this, but from where I'm >sitting--it don't look good. OK guys, don't panic. The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band to pursue dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting or being fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. >From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever and he is looking beyond Hawkwind and starting the building process now. Yours, Star Rats From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 22:20:32 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:20:32 -0500 Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: >> I recently got a tape including a song by Patti Smith - 'Revenge Of Vera >> Gemini'. It was credited to be recorded at the NY Palladium, but no date. >> I din't understand the introduction, but afterwards she yells 'Blue >> Oyster Cult!'. Also, a guy is singing, with Patti doing the female parts >> as on BOC's version. >> Does anyone know when this was recorded and who is singing / playing with >> her? >> > >This might be it. > >BOC played the Palladium w/Todd Rundgren,David JOhansen,Patti Smith in >a benefit for the indochina boat people refugees in winter 1979. I'm >pretty sure. We only did this with Patti on two occasions. that I remember Once was in the kingdome in Seattle and the other was at the convention center in Asbury Park. It seems to me that we didn't play with Patti at the IBPR benefit. AL From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 22:24:33 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:24:33 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons through Dream Disc Message-ID: >>Just received the latest Dream Disc catalog #10 Jan 97. There is an >entry as follows: > >Brain Surgeons - Box of Hammers (3rd cd ~ex-BOC drummer Al Bouchard) >$12.00 > > >Huh? This is interesting - I though BoH wouldn't be available, other >than direct mail order from Cellsum, until sometime in the spring, as >tBS were working on a better distribution deal. Al, what's the deal >here? Is BoH soon to appear in stores? Are you just sending out a >few to a few mail-order distributors? We told Dream Disc about it but thay haven't ordered any yet. They are one of our better customers having bought large quantities of the other two records. Al From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 23 23:41:51 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:41:51 +1000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199701240334.VAA01659@mx3.io.com> Message-ID: On 23 Jan 97 at 21:34, Hawkwind wrote: > OK guys, don't panic. Us panic? Come on ... this is only the 2nd time in six months we;ve cried about the potential loss of Bass Assassin #2 ;^) > The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band to pursue > dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and > perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting > or being fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. I suspected something along these lines .... > From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever and he is looking > beyond Hawkwind and starting the building process now. ... but does it affect the Oz and US tours ??? Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 22:50:54 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: >Martin wrote: > >>I personally am a little wary of the whole unplugged concept. I think it >>is a great idea to hear songs that are usually electric performed in an >>acoustic manner, but it seems completely pointless when they are performed >>with drums, electric bass and lots of supporting musicians, such as the Me too, but for tBS it was a logical thing to do because we've always practised with acoustic guitars. This is how we work up new tunes. Once we have 'em learnt' we crank it up. We were working up some new songs for some of these =3 set= upstate shows and I got the idea to record it and see how it was coming out. As you can imagine the songs that you'd think would be good acoustic were only OK and the ones that were off-the-wall came out great. I'm not going to say what they are because I'm not sure what or when we'll make anything available and I don't want to spoil anyone's fantasy either. >Nonetheless, if the chance to hear the Brain Surgeons perform non-electric >renditions of their tunes does arise, it ought to be interesting to hear >how well (or (god forbid) badly, since we shouldn't put the stamp of >approval on a product without inspecting it)they do in this sort of >acousticified atmosphere. These songs still need background vocals and mixing. I tried doing some overdubs, thinking maybe Joe could play something on it, but so far just the live instruments sound the best. We'll have to see if we can top the vocals too but there's no rush for this one. Some of the songs are very long, close to 8 min., so they might need to be shortened. I guess most people on this list wouldn't get bored with an 8 minute song though ;-) I guess I just want something interesting to do while I try to get these spring and summer shows lined up and Deborah works on more pormotion and getting an new distributor. Don't worry "we'll sell no wine before its time." Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jan 23 23:57:54 1997 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:57:54 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: >spring and summer shows lined up and Deborah works on more pormotion and Did I just write por motion? Time for bed my friends! Al From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Fri Jan 24 00:27:05 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (J. Malcolm) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:27:05 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199701240334.VAA01659@mx3.io.com> Message-ID: Star_rats at hawkwind.com writes: >OK guys, don't panic. The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band >to pursue dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and >perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting or being >fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. Cool. What kind of music does Bedouin do? >>>From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever and he is looking >beyond Hawkwind and starting the building process now. He's right there - all good things come to an end, eventually. I certainly hope that date is far in the future for Hawkwind. From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Fri Jan 24 00:28:35 1997 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (J. Malcolm) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:28:35 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: <199701231715.JAA24122@whorfin.graham.com> Message-ID: Mike Fuller writes: >Whenever I think about this topic, just three words come to mind: > > Bolt Thrower Unplugged Oh, this would be too frightening... but *I'd* buy it. Aren't they supposed to be releasing a new album sometime in the not too distant future? >And, of course, it's all Steve's fault. ;-) Well, isn't everything? From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 24 01:21:35 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:21:35 +0800 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > >PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? > > Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. > I don't Know if Alex read the actual message or if he is trying to be funny, but the original was querying whether Saucerful of Secrets or Electronic Meditation (a Tangerine Dream album) came first. Saucerful was released in '68, and Meditation in '69. Incidentally, I read on the TD Home Page that Edgar Froese was once in a band with Nik Turner. It was after the first lineup of TD, but prior to the recording of the first album (Electronic Meditation) with the second lineup. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jan 24 01:55:56 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:55:56 +0800 Subject: Codex ideas??? Message-ID: On the subject of the Codex, it could be an idea to link it more closely to the other lists, such as the discography and the gigs list. The list could be just an A-Z of song titles, that are linked. That way you would click on it, and you would have a list of where each variation of the song appears. If you then click on the album title, it would list all the other tracks. You could go even further and have links leading to the lyrics (copyright permitted, naturally). If you link in the live gigs as well, it would also list all the tracks, and would also say which ones appeared on albums, bootlegs, etc.. The Codex could even list all the videos, as well as all those other massive lists Bernhard has, such as band personnel. What you would then have is the most complete listing available, with cross-references to everything. It would also make it easier to find out what we want to know, instead of ploughing through all those other massive lists. Naturally, whosoever wants to compile this list would need a lot of spare time on their hands? William From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jan 24 02:15:15 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:15:15 -0700 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > >spring and summer shows lined up and Deborah works on more pormotion and > > Did I just write por motion? Time for bed my friends! > Al Hey-don't sweat it guy-I do that too-my spelling is atrocious after work! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace VideoFest Berlin wrote: > > hello there, > > I've just spoken to Chris Karrer from Amon D??l II - he asked me to post a > request on the web if anyone might have a recording of the recent ADII > concert in London, Now, this is really cool! This is a great example of the kind of neatstuff we're able to do for folx here on the 'net!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <199701240527.AAA29079 at nyarlathotep.uraeus.com>, "J. Malcolm" writes >Cool. What kind of music does Bedouin do? Erm, go and get "Captured Rotation" Alan's epic solo effort. It's the best Hawk-release since Electric Tepee IMO -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 04:27:58 1997 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:27:58 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <970123154804_375450189@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <970123154804_375450189 at emout14.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart writes >Hi folks, Hate to come online like this with bad news. Just heard from VERY >reliable sources that Alan has quit the band to pursue his solo career. Don't >get your knickers in a twist until I can confirm this, but from where I'm >sitting--it don't look good. Surprise, Surprise. I heard the same thing a while back. Thought it'd blown over by now. Oh, bollocks :((((( Now who was the clever sod who said "don't worry, he'll be replaced by Liam from Oasis" when I mentioned this a few months ago. > >I'm working on a NYC venue with Eli for the HW tour....anyone want in??? > >regards, >Bill Stewart -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 05:03:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:03:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:31 +0000 Message-ID: On 24 Jan 09:31, Jon Browne wrote: > Erm, go and get "Captured Rotation" Alan's epic solo effort. It's the > best Hawk-release since Electric Tepee IMO I've listened to it exactly three times. Once was when I bought it. The other two were after people had posted remarks like the above to BOC-L. Try playing "Captured Rotation" followed immediately by Disk 2 of "Love In Space". I found that "Xenomorph" had more energy than any of the rock tracks on CR. The drum programming on CR is impressive, but doesn't match the live drums. And Alan's guitar is fairly weak, especially compared to the master. I forget the exact track listing, but I think the second track on LIS Disk 2 is "Blue Skin" - whatever it was, it impressed me more than the faster instrumentals on CR. Then came "Love In Space" itself, which carries me away every time. The use of samples of LIS is better too, as are the lyrics and IMO Ron's vocals. Alan is still a master of wave programming, and the spacey synth tracks on CR are excellent. But I can't agree that this is any more than just another solo album, whereas HW have always been best playing together. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 06:35:53 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:35:53 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jan 24, 97 09:31:14 am Message-ID: > In message <199701240527.AAA29079 at nyarlathotep.uraeus.com>, "J. Malcolm" > writes > >Cool. What kind of music does Bedouin do? > > Erm, go and get "Captured Rotation" Alan's epic solo effort. It's the > best Hawk-release since Electric Tepee IMO Oh, that _does_ it ... I may have to bite the bullet, sell a kidney, and _buy_ this now! I keep _hearing_ this .... Ah well ... it has always been just a matter of time. Cheers, Carl From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 24 06:34:29 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:34:29 UT Subject: HW: Alan Davey Message-ID: Jon said >> Erm, go and get "Captured Rotation" Alan's epic solo effort. It's the >> best Hawk-release since Electric Tepee IMO Then Dave said >I've listened to it exactly three times. Once was when I bought it. >The other two were after people had posted remarks like the above to BOC-L. I tend to agree with Jon, but I also see where Dave's coming from - what I'd say is that _Captured Rotation_ is the most *consistent* hawk-release for a while - there's absolutely no crap on it, and lots of really good stuff - but it doesn't have quite the high spots of either A4 or LiS (which are probably "Alien I Am" and "Blue Skin" in both cases). That said, it doesn't have the low spots either ("Beam me Up", "Losing your mind"), and since I fall into the "Ronosceptic" camp, I vastly prefer his more conventional style on Alan's album! Although I'm beginning to be won round by his eccentric use of vocabulary - still not sure what he means by "infractualate my brain" (nothing remotely like it in the dictionary), but it sounds all right! - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 06:48:18 1997 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (Keith Barton) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:48:18 GMT Subject: HW: Alan Davey Message-ID: >On 24 Jan 09:31, Jon Browne wrote: > Erm, go and get "Captured Rotation" Alan's epic solo effort. It's the > best Hawk-release since Electric Tepee IMO > >I've listened to it exactly three times. Once was when I bought it. >The other two were after people had posted remarks like the above to BOC-L. This CD hasn't been off my Hi-Fi since I got it. To anyone out there who hasn't heard this album *GET IT* - you won't be disappointed, I think it's wonderful. Alan - If you're reading this ( or if anyone is in regular contact with him ) Simon from Holmfirth has reported that "Dan" is alive and well! Cheers, Keith From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 06:49:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:49:59 +0000 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <199701232211.XAA10307@imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jan 23, 97 11:11:19 pm Message-ID: > And let us not forget folk music, which had a brief time of glory in the > late 80's, early 90's, with Suzanne Vega, Eddie Brickle, Tracy Chapman, and > several other artists. Ach, it is blasphemy to my ears!! No, no, no! Death to False Folk! (if using a Manowar reference in conjunction with the word "folk" was not bad enough :) These people are/were singer-songwriters with acousticky type instruments. I firmly hold to the belief that music needs to either be traditional or "traditionally-styled" to be labeled folk. These artists were seldom employing such techniques--they primarily performed self-penned material with little influence from traditional American (or Anglo-Celtic, or anything else) styles. This is not to say that I didn't occasionally _enjoy_ such material, or occasionally take in live performances from some of the people mentioned above, but I refuse to acknowledge it as folk! So there! Nyah-nyah-nyah! :) Even the reknowned Richard Thompson isn't really "folk". SOmetimes I even have my doubts about recent Fairport ... but there's always Tempest, Wolfstone, June Tabor, Steeleye Span, the John Kirkpatrick Band, the Oyster Band (no relation ;) , Clarion, Io ... Or we could settle on the technical definition that "folk" is the contemporary musical expression of a culture ... which makes BOC folk music :) This tends to upset people who are even more finicky than me :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 06:57:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:57:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: SLC 1/22/97 In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Jan 23, 97 04:53:20 pm Message-ID: > When people were > screaming for them he said that they would get to the big 3 but that they > wanted to play some things that they don't play as often because they > want to keep the set list fresh. I'm paraphrasing a bit but it sounds like > he's been on this list listening to the complaints ? That's at least good to hear. I don't mind hearing the "big 3" but I like it when a band mixes it up a bit. Frankly, I got into live music through Dead concert tapes in high school and almost went into shock when I discovered that most bands played the same set every night! While I don't expect BOC to show that kind of variety, it's nice to shake it up a bit. As an aside, one of the things that frustrated Warren Haynes in the Allmans was Dickey's refusal to shake up the set list ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:01:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:01:48 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <9701240014.aa16581@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Jan 24, 97 00:14:04 am Message-ID: > Hey ho - all you have to do is mention the word "tour" and things fall > apart. So how about another Hawkfans to the rescue attempt..... > Grab your bass guitar, there's still enough time to learn sufficient > tracks from Love in Space to stand in as replacement and rescue Hawkwind > and the tour. This is Your Chance. Start making your tapes now. > Chaos reigns. And a Happy New Year to one and all. Have Ric will travel :) On the other hand if Hawkwind couldn't find a better bass player than me, they're in real trouble! Oh wait ... the _did_ have Harvey on bass for a while there .... ;) Cheers, Carl ObPS: on the other hand I'd definitely never have made it in the old band. I've tried playing when even only mildly drunk and can't do it to save my life! ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:03:29 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:03:29 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199701240334.VAA01659@mx3.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jan 23, 97 09:34:21 pm Message-ID: Star Rats did speak in this wise: > OK guys, don't panic. The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band > to pursue dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and > perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting or being > fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. Good. I look for ways to say HW would not be doomed without AD, but I haven't found any yet ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:11:24 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:11:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jan 23, 97 10:00:26 pm Message-ID: > What I've been trying to imply both on aol, boc-l and to DR himself for the > past 4 years is that I think it would be better for Don to get a new band. > Lord knows, he has the talent of a half dozen other fine musicians put > together. It might not be better for aol or boc-l or BOC but it would be > better for Don. If it meant new music it would be better for me! > but uh, no, I don't wanna be in Don's band. I don't think we really need > each other musically any more. Of course, I can only speak for myself. Ah, but then we need to figure out who _should_ be in Buck Boogie & the Dharma Destroyers! :) The easy way out is to grab the rhythm section from 3OC and form the mighty power trio of doom. Yes, it's 3 hour steaming live shows with monster improvisational jams from the Buckmeister. Well, actually I fear the additional of a synthkeys player and a cheesy acoustic rhythm guitarist for the pop songs of death ... ... but one can hope. Other ideas for a Buck solo project (with or without the exisitence of 3OC? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:18:45 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:18:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Jan 24, 97 11:34:29 am Message-ID: Andy quoth: > I tend to agree with Jon, but I also see where Dave's coming from - what I'd > say is that _Captured Rotation_ is the most *consistent* hawk-release for a > while - there's absolutely no crap on it, and lots of really good stuff - but > it doesn't have quite the high spots of either A4 or LiS (which are probably > "Alien I Am" and "Blue Skin" in both cases). Ooo err! How dare we leave out "Sputnik Stan" as a high spot on both A4 and LiS? > That said, it doesn't have the low spots either ("Beam me Up", "Losing your > mind"), and since I fall into the "Ronosceptic" camp, I vastly prefer his more > conventional style on Alan's album! Well, I *liked* "Losing Your Mind?"! It was fun. I confess I still raise a somewhat sceptical eyebrow at "Beam Me Up". I still think parts of it should have been made real songs and parts of it left in on the cutting room floor ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 07:55:20 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:55:20 GMT Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:21 -0600 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > OK guys, don't panic. The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band > to pursue dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and > perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting or being > fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. Huw Lloyd Langton did this for several years didn't he? It seemed to work out quite well (at least from an outsiders point of view it did) mixing a career with his own band along with that of Hawkwind. Come to think of it even Dave Brock himself was playing in Agents of Chaos as well as Hawkwind, I think? So - yeah. Given goodwill on all sides, I guess all will be fine. jill obmood> neutral/positive ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Jan 24 07:58:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:58:00 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: The news about Alan Davey is sort of sad, as I see it that if he is only going to be in the band as a sort of studio memeber and show up for gigs, taht this will take a lot of the spontaneous anture of the live show away (not that it has mostly disappeared already), and they will likely perfrom just the same old things or things that they are totally comfortable with... Would almost seem better to just get some one new (Carl perhaps....), but I know that is a very difficult thing. I wish Allan luck. I have liked some of his solo stuff quite a lot. I am not sure how he will do a s leader of a band... I guess we will jsut have to see. SOunds like he will be playing live a lot though, so I guess we will get to see.. Just my thoughts...... SCott ObCD: Hawkwind- Hall of the Mountain Grill (remaster) Thanks randy! From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Jan 24 08:56:22 1997 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:56:22 +1100 Subject: BOC:Was Various thoughts now Buck's Band In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > What I've been trying to imply both on aol, boc-l and to DR himself for the > > past 4 years is that I think it would be better for Don to get a new band. > > Lord knows, he has the talent of a half dozen other fine musicians put > > together. It might not be better for aol or boc-l or BOC but it would be > > better for Don. > > If it meant new music it would be better for me! > Like, McDitto, inc.! > > but uh, no, I don't wanna be in Don's band. I don't think we really need > > each other musically any more. Of course, I can only speak for myself. > > Ah, but then we need to figure out who _should_ be in Buck Boogie > & the Dharma Destroyers! :) The easy way out is to grab the rhythm section > from 3OC and form the mighty power trio of doom. Yes, it's 3 hour steaming > live shows with monster improvisational jams from the Buckmeister. > Duck Dharma and the Mallards!! Three hours of grind and bash and then fly south for the winter! (eg, Australia!!). Forget the 3OC rhythm section, "rent-a-rocker", just get Joe and Al!! *That* would make us old types regain our ability to grow hair! And they could hand out leather jackets and chains at the shows! Kewl! (I had better take a valium now). > Well, actually I fear the additional of a synthkeys player and a > cheesy acoustic rhythm guitarist for the pop songs of death ... > And a chorale for the corpse choruses of certain brutality! > ... but one can hope. Other ideas for a Buck solo project (with > or without the exisitence of 3OC? Sure: LIneup: BUCK; geetar/vox Dave Brock; rythm geetar/vox Joe B; Bass Al B; Drums Allen L ; keys Del Dittmar; synths and co. NIK T; sax, flute, coolness Mike Moorcock; poet Tour staff: Rik D; sound and light Steve Schenk; orange boy, gopher, piss boy Rowan Atkinson; dancer Support bands: Eric Bloom's death metal band (them laryngitis vox!) Alan Davey's Bedouin Lloyd Langton group (hmmm... maybe they should headline) Fun thread anyway!! Troy From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jan 24 08:46:33 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:46:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Binghampton Show Feb 16th Message-ID: Can anyone give me details about the show on Feb 16th in Binghampton?? Ticket price, where the venue is located, venue phone #, where to get tickets, and any nearby hotels would be appreciated. Joe From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jan 24 09:38:16 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:38:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Saucerful of Secrets Message-ID: William Duffy asked : >> >PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? >> >> Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. >> >I don't Know if Alex read the actual message or if he is trying to be funny, but the >original was querying whether Saucerful of Secrets or Electronic Meditation (a Tangerine >Dream album) came first. Neither. I did read the message, but I didn't realize the SoS question was related to TD. Are you telling me TD also released an LP titled like that ? I had no idea. See, I've just learned something. Sorry for the misinterpretation. I hope I didn't annoy anyone :-o >Saucerful was released in '68, and Meditation in '69. Are you sure of this, though ? I mean, I find this particularly weird since the PF album was ALSO released in 68. Two "Saucerful of Secrets" the same year by different bands ? Very unlikely. I'm not saying it's impossible, it just strikes me as reaaaaaalllllllllyyyy strange, if you know what I mean. Beats me. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 09:43:55 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:43:55 GMT Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:34:21 -0600 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever I dunno. I figure that any band which has had over fifty members over 25 years could easily continue turning over the membership and keep going. The trick would be to keep the music to the same spirit - that wouldn't be easy without Brock, but I doubt it'd be impossible. I certainly hope they're planning a *serious* gig for Hogmanay 1999! > Star Rats FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 09:54:46 1997 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:54:46 GMT Subject: Codex ideas??? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:55:56 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > On the subject of the Codex, it could be an idea to link it more > closely to the other lists, such as the discography and the gigs list. > The list could be just an A-Z of song titles, that are linked. That > way you would click on it, and you would have a list of where each > variation of the song appears. If you then click on the album title, > it would list all the other tracks. You could go even further and > have links leading to the lyrics (copyright permitted, naturally). > If you link in the live gigs as well, it would also list all the > tracks, and would also say which ones appeared on albums, bootlegs, > etc.. The Codex could even list all the videos, as well as all those > other massive lists Bernhard has, such as band personnel. What you > would then have is the most complete listing available, with > cross-references to everything. It would also make it easier to find > out what we want to know, instead of ploughing through all those other > massive lists. > Naturally, whosoever wants to compile this list would need a lot of > spare time on their hands? I havta admit I thought about it, but I don't have the time. With a team of about 20-30 interested list members each doing their part, it could probably be done over a period of months. The trick would be reaching some form of less acrimnious decision making concerning format, and someone taking some sort of charge in parcelling up the work for others to do it. Fortunately splitting large files into multiple linked small ones is neither difficult nor hard to parcel up. I'd be quite happy to work with Sonique or whoever to do this. A good start would be to get the codex and discography linked and then add the lyrics with password protection to limit those pages to list members only. After that we have our own experts on histories of various band members and family trees, as well as live tapes, gigs and tours. Getting the basics up first would be a great start. I definitely suggest the codex and discography with track listsings being linked. The best plan would be for the person who's going to mount the pages to be a sort of project leader. They can then break the work into small packages and write a README on what to do. Volunteers could then easily help. > William FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jan 24 10:20:14 1997 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:20:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Saucerful of Secrets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:38:16 +0100." <199701241438.PAA13491@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: > >> >PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? > >> > >> Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. > >> > >I don't Know if Alex read the actual message or if he is trying to be > funny, but the > >original was querying whether Saucerful of Secrets or Electronic Meditation > (a Tangerine > >Dream album) came first. > > Neither. I did read the message, but I didn't realize the SoS question was > related to TD. Are you telling me TD also released an LP titled like that ? > I had no idea. See, I've just learned something. Sorry for the > misinterpretation. I hope I didn't annoy anyone :-o Isn't the whole thread a little off-kilter ?? I mean Jezza just wanted to know if Electronic Meditation was a good intro to TD. Tim From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 09:31:33 1997 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:31:33 +0000 Subject: BOC:Was Various thoughts now Buck's Band In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Troy Harris wrote: > LIneup: > BUCK; geetar/vox > Dave Brock; rythm geetar/vox > Joe B; Bass > Al B; Drums > Allen L ; keys > Del Dittmar; synths and co. > NIK T; sax, flute, coolness > Mike Moorcock; poet > > Tour staff: > Rik D; sound and light > Steve Schenk; orange boy, gopher, piss boy > Rowan Atkinson; dancer Huh? No Stacia? Surely Rowan and Stacia could perform some art poses and Barclaycard adverts between sets? Seriously, though, Buck obviously wants to be a speed country-rock act in the Gram Parsons mould. So who better than: Chris Hillman (bass, vocals) Pete Thomas (drums) Dave Crosby / Emmylou Harris (acoustic guitars and vocals) Graham Nash (high dweedling) I bet they could make a reasonable shot at 'Born to Rock' and 'Come Softly to Me'. - Mike Godwin From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Jan 24 11:05:06 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:05:06 -0700 Subject: BOC: Boise 1/23/96 Message-ID: I just thought I'd give a short review of the show last night at Bogies... First of all, they did play The Vigil, Last Days of May, In Thee, and Buck's Boogie, but no Shooting Shark (darn!). However, when they came out for an encore they did The Golden Age of Leather, which I was not expecting at all. It rocked! They did play the standard two new tunes (Harvest Moon, and Live For Me). There has been a lot of debate lately about whether the new album will actually come out. Well, when BOC came to Boise last year they really didn't say anything about a new album, it was more like "Here's a new one..." and that was it. This time, though, EB mentioned the new album many times and said at least 2 or 3 times that it would be out this spring. He had me convinced... The show was great, with the slight exception of EB's vox. I guess that's why they didn't play Dominance and Submission or See You in Black. He held up OK on Cities on Flame, but overall he sounded weak. It was still a great show and I can't wait to see them again... Aaron From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jan 24 11:02:42 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:02:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Boise 1/23/96 Message-ID: >However, when they came out for an encore they did The Golden Age of Leather, >which I was not expecting at all. It rocked! > Now I'm starting to get a hard-on! From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Jan 24 12:00:22 1997 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:00:22 -0600 Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: >> From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever and he is looking >> beyond Hawkwind and starting the building process now. > >... but does it affect the Oz and US tours ??? I think the tours will go ahead as planned, which is the idea of having him around rather than draft someone else in. Who better a session bassist for Hawkwind than Alan? Star Rats From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Jan 24 11:49:09 1997 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:49:09 PST Subject: OFF: Saucerful of Secrets In-Reply-To: <199701241520.PAA20010@aeolians.bt.co.uk>; from "bart" at Jan 24, 97 3:20 pm Message-ID: CHOMP! > > Isn't the whole thread a little off-kilter ?? I mean Jezza just wanted to know > if Electronic Meditation was a good intro to TD. > > > Tim > IMHO, NO!!!! TD has never made another release like this one. I (being a TD fan for just about as long as HW/BOC) would recommend that you start with any of the Virgin-era releases (try STRATOSFEAR first, CYCLONE dead last, 'cuz it has vocals and TD is primarily an instrumental band) or any of the releases that feature Johannes Schmoelling (try PERGAMON or LOGOS first, great live performances, but then, so is POLAND. For studio, try WHITE EAGLE, my all-time favorite.) Soundtracks, get either SORCERER or THIEF, killer stuff. The newer stuff is more adult-contemporary which I don't care for too much (case in point I haven't bought the latest one yet and it is has been released for almost three months now)... objBeer: Bass Ale (another employee leaving, and I gotta pick up the tab. It's a bitch being the only grunt left...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 24 11:41:49 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:41:49 UT Subject: OFF: Shirley Message-ID: Noticed BOC lyricist John Shirley's new novel in the shop - _Silicon Embrace_ - the cover's got a picture of one of those "grey" aliens, and the blurb has some stuff about Area 51. Yaaaaawn... 'scuse me, just felt sleepy... don't know about you, but I'm absolutely bored stiff with Roswell, X-Files, aliens, abductions, men in black, all that stuff. About the only thing that could get me interested were if it were actually true :) - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 24 11:53:13 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:53:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day Message-ID: Al wrote: >BOCFAQMAN wrote For those of you that don't know but might care, my AOL e-mail address is "BOCFAQMAN at aol.com". Well, they wouldn't let me take "Swartz" or "JSwartz", and besides, sometimes it makes for interesting questions on the AOL chats. >What I've been trying to imply both on aol, boc-l and to DR himself for the past 4 years is that I think it would be better for Don to get a new band. Well, I don't know if it was a serious attempt or just a little side project, but Buck did play in The Red and the Black for awhile. If that was a serious attempt at a life outside BOC, maybe Buck was frustrated by tRatB's lack of success? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 24 11:58:40 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:58:40 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night Message-ID: Al writes: >We were working up some new songs for some of these =3 set= upstate shows Al, if/when you return to the Boston area, I hope you get a chance to do a 3 set show around here sometime! >I'm not going to say what they are because I'm not sure what or when we'll make anything available and I don't want to spoil anyone's fantasy either. O.K., but if you don't have quite a CD's worth of stuff that you want to release, I'd suggest combining it with the "Career of Christmas" tunes and putting all of that on a CD. Hey, how about you also put on the recording of "Tour Spiel" that you, Deb, and Joe did for the Minutemen tribute album (I've got a copy of it, but I'll bet alot of tBS fans don't). Wait - one more - how 'bout the version of "Dominance and Submission" you did with Watt (that's only available on some hard-to-come-by Watt CD singles)? John From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 24 12:28:29 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:28:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: New Jersey Message-ID: ok.....I've asked elsewhere and got nothing ..... I'm going to be at Ft. Dix, New Jersey for about 2 weeks.... anyone know of anything constructive in that area to do with my offtime? Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jan 24 12:31:52 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:31:52 -0700 Subject: BOC: Boise 1/23/96 Message-ID: Aaron Crandall wrote: > > I just thought I'd give a short review of the show last night at Bogies... > > First of all, they did play The Vigil, Last Days of May, In Thee, and Buck's Boogie, but no Shooting Shark (darn!). However, when they came out for an encore they did The Golden Age of Leather, which I was not expecting at all. It rocked! > > They did play the standard two new tunes (Harvest Moon, and Live For Me). There has been a lot of debate lately about whether the new album will actually come out. Well, when BOC came to Boise last year they really didn't say anything about a new album, it was more like "Here's a new one..." and that was it. This time, though, EB mentioned the new album many times and said at least 2 or 3 times that it would be out this spring. He had me convinced... > > The show was great, with the slight exception of EB's vox. I guess that's why they didn't play Dominance and Submission or See You in Black. He held up OK on Cities on Flame, but overall he sounded weak. > > It was still a great show and I can't wait to see them again... > > Aaron Hey guy-ya forgot to lemme know where I could meet with ya-I couldn't go but would have liked to meet up with ya!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >> And let us not forget folk music, which had a brief time of glory in the >> late 80's, early 90's, with Suzanne Vega, Eddie Brickle, Tracy Chapman, and >> several other artists. > > Ach, it is blasphemy to my ears!! No, no, no! Death to False Folk! >(if using a Manowar reference in conjunction with the word "folk" was not >bad enough :) > > These people are/were singer-songwriters with acousticky type >instruments. I firmly hold to the belief that music needs to either be >traditional or "traditionally-styled" to be labeled folk. These artists >were seldom employing such techniques--they primarily performed self-penned >material with little influence from traditional American (or Anglo-Celtic, >or anything else) styles. My apologies. I was simply referring to "folk" in its most reknown incarnation. Though, of course, you are correct in saying that the term is being misused. > Even the reknowned Richard Thompson isn't really "folk". SOmetimes >I even have my doubts about recent Fairport ... but there's always Tempest, >Wolfstone, June Tabor, Steeleye Span, the John Kirkpatrick Band, the Oyster >Band (no relation ;) , Clarion, Io ... Uh... Bob Dylan ? Leonard Cohen ? Joan Baez ? Neil Young ? Sheesh, no. I guess those would also fall into the "false folk" category... though I'm not familiar enough with their music to be definitive. Kind of strange, though, since they were the ones (especially Dylan) who made the word "folk" famous !... BTW, if we can't call "folk music" what all these artists do, then how should we call it ? Just wondering. Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 24 12:51:25 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:51:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: fathers of grunge? Message-ID: Ok, someone from the BOC newgroup posted this: [in Rolling Stone mag, Chris Ballew from the band Presidents of the United States ofAmerica said] > "Godzilla is what all alternative rock is based on. You can't >go wrong witha Blue Oyster Cult record, kids." >Not sure if I agree with that (though I'm tempted to mke a crack about >how Godzilla is probably one of the more meaningless BOC songs out >there :-), and I can certainly think of other BOC songs I'd rather see >being a big influence. >(unfortunately, due to mail volume, I had to unsub from BOC-L. Wonder >what Al thinks about being one of the fathers of "alternative" rock :-) What about it Al? how do you like being one of Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobains "daddy's" Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Jan 24 12:46:46 1997 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:46:46 UT Subject: BOC: Boise 1/23/96 Message-ID: Joseph said >>However, when they came out for an encore they did The Golden Age of >Leather, >which I was not expecting at all. It rocked! >> > > Now I'm starting to get a hard-on! Not sure I wanted to know that. Reminds me of the guy - I'll see if I can dig out his URL, but it was a link I followed from Warren Ellis' excellent page (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WarrenEllis) - anyway, this guy claimed to be both a gigantophile and a herpetophile. Which basically meant he wanted to get it on with a dinosaur. And got a special feeling when watching "Godzilla" movies. - Andy Andy Gilham/Andy_Gilham at msn.com/Andy_Gilham at compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Jan 24 13:11:05 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:11:05 -0700 Subject: BOC: Boise 1/23/96 -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Joseph M. Lofft" 01/24/97 09:02am >>> >However, when they came out for an encore they did The Golden Age of Leather, >which I was not expecting at all. It rocked! > Now I'm starting to get a hard-on! Hearing Last Days was almost enough. If they had done Golden Age I would have popped a chubby right there. :) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 24 12:13:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:13:02 EDT Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Al writes: > > >We were working up some new songs for some > of these =3 set= upstate shows > > Al, if/when you return to the Boston area, I hope you get a chance to do > a 3 set show around here sometime! > Yeah, this has got to be amazing. Hey, dudes and ladies, eat your collective hearts out, 'cause for once I'll be catching all tBS shows, incl. these bar-room marathons. Al, will you be filling out the sets with some well-chosen covers, or are you just gonna jam long on your own numbers? Os are you gonna try and write like hell to have some more new stuff? Oh, yeah, Al, make sure the tape machines are rolling during this upstate swing. Who knows, it might yield a live disc? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 24 12:21:54 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:21:54 EDT Subject: BOC-L: slavering sycophants vs. harsh critics Message-ID: > From: Albert T Bouchard > > I have to share a little story with y'all. In 87- 88 just before Imaginos > came out I was doing oldies shows with various groups (Peter Noone, Billy J > Kramer, Lou Christie, Mammas & Pappas, Spencer Davis etc.). Peter and > Spencer were the oldies I got closest to and they would always be talking > about how they were going to put out new albums. I actually recorded some > new material with Peter and then it just sat there. After about a year of > this nonsense I began to nudge each of them and made a startling discovery. > They were both afraid to release new stuff. They had gotten comfortable > doing the oldies thing and were resistant to rocking (pun intended) the > boat. It was too scary a thought that they might release new material and Ya know, I've often suspected this to be the underlying cause for 3OC's lack of activity. Esp. now that EB has devloped this seemingly psycho-somatic inability to sing anymore. Is this condition a subconscious attempt to sabotage the new record so he won't have to face a possible disaster? BTW, Al, what's your candid opinion [as though you're gonna give us any other kind!] of the 'new' 3OC stuff? I don't mean to compare with the old stuff, necessarily, but your assessment of it on its own... > it would not be well received. Incidentally all the oldies acts that I saw > or worked with put on dynamite live shows. It's easy once you have > sure-fire material, reconition and years of experience honing these songs > in a live context. By 1989 I realized the oldies shows were a creative dead > end, grateful, nostalgic fans notwithstanding, and got out. Of course it > was probably easier for me to give it up because I was not playing my own > oldies but I feel fortunate for being able to have seen it from more of an > outsider view. > Sounds familiar, vis a vis 3OC: play all the old stuff proficiently and put things in cruise control. Darn, there I go with that negative shit again... theo > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 13:23:07 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:23:07 +0000 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the night In-Reply-To: <199701241737.SAA01340@imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Jan 24, 97 06:37:18 pm Message-ID: > > Even the reknowned Richard Thompson isn't really "folk". SOmetimes > >I even have my doubts about recent Fairport ... but there's always Tempest, > >Wolfstone, June Tabor, Steeleye Span, the John Kirkpatrick Band, the Oyster > >Band (no relation ;) , Clarion, Io ... > > Uh... Bob Dylan ? Leonard Cohen ? Joan Baez ? Neil Young ? Sheesh, no. I > guess those would also fall into the "false folk" category... though I'm not > familiar enough with their music to be definitive. Kind of strange, though, > since they were the ones (especially Dylan) who made the word "folk" famous! > ... True, true. Joan Baez _has_ done a fair bit of genuine traditional material though. I'm less qualified to speak about the others, though His Bobness' songs have become so ubiquitous that I'm almost willing to start classing them as a sort of "post-modern traditional". This is the sort of thing you worry about if you have a degree in Folklore .... :) > BTW, if we can't call "folk music" what all these artists do, then how > should we call it ? Just wondering. Well, I tend to think of it as "(acoustic) singer-songwriters". Mind you, I tend to like many of them better as solo acoustic live performers than on albums where they get backing musicians and weird stuff like that. I heard some Suzanne Vega and Shawn Colvin material that was great when it was "a girl and her guitar" but IMO blew chunks on the over-produced album. On the other hand I though Edie and the New Bohemians were pretty groovy. Didn't like her solo record nearly as much. I always had a soft spot for blue-grass. Banjos on speed :) I suppose all this makes Bob Mould (or Lemmy!) and "(electric) singer-songwriter" :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 13:26:02 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:26:02 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199701241700.LAA08100@mx3.io.com> from "Hawkwind" at Jan 24, 97 11:00:22 am Message-ID: > Who better a session bassist for > Hawkwind than Alan? Lemmy? (Still, let's stay realistic ... :) Damn. I went out today to find the Alan Davey solo album and the shop didn't have it anymore! (To assuage my grief, I rented John Woo films). Does anyone know net-accessible mail-order places in the UK that have it? Delerium, maybe ......? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jan 24 12:27:21 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:27:21 EDT Subject: BOC: fathers of grunge? Message-ID: > From: Ted Alger > Ok, someone from the BOC newgroup posted this: > > [in Rolling Stone mag, Chris Ballew from the band Presidents of the > United States ofAmerica said] > > "Godzilla is what all alternative rock is based on. You can't > >go wrong witha Blue Oyster Cult record, kids." > >Not sure if I agree with that (though I'm tempted to mke a crack about > >how Godzilla is probably one of the more meaningless BOC songs out > >there :-), and I can certainly think of other BOC songs I'd rather see > >being a big influence. > Hey, whatever one's opinion of tPotUSoA, it's great to see someone pay tribute to BOC... > >(unfortunately, due to mail volume, I had to unsub from BOC-L. Wonder > >what Al thinks about being one of the fathers of "alternative" rock :-) > > What about it Al? how do you like being one of Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobains > "daddy's" > You kidding, TA? Al's happy as hell to read shit like that! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 13:32:59 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:32:59 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <9701241443.aa10105@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Jan 24, 97 02:43:55 pm Message-ID: > I dunno. I figure that any band which has had over fifty members over 25 > years could easily continue turning over the membership and keep going. > The trick would be to keep the music to the same spirit - that wouldn't > be easy without Brock, but I doubt it'd be impossible. As we all know (?) Fairport Convention went through a period in the mid-70s when it had _no_ original members and hasn't had more than one original member at any time since 1971. They're arguably most famous album was made with only three original members in a six-member band (1969). And they're still slogging along :) I think it'd be easier for HW to continue without Brock if he hadn't spent so many years as the driving force. The success of Nik's tour band shows it can be done to some extent. I dunno. It'd be fun to be in a band that started out doing a lot of HW covers and moved towards its own stuff. Didn't Rush start out basically pretending to be Led Zeppelin :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 13:40:05 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:40:05 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <01IEL1N5K9ME564NHF@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 24, 97 07:58:00 am Message-ID: > The news about Alan Davey is sort of sad, as I see it that if he > is only going to be in the band as a sort of studio memeber and > show up for gigs, taht this will take a lot of the spontaneous > anture of the live show away (not that it has mostly disappeared > already), and they will likely perfrom just the same old things > or things that they are totally comfortable with... Yeah, I would be more worried about this if it didn't already seem to be the case. I fear we're into a downward trend that won't reverse :( [Damn. This is like the week to be negative of boc-l!] Still, at least Motorhead are still kicking ass :) > Would almost > seem better to just get some one new (Carl perhaps....), but I > know that is a very difficult thing. Ooo, not me! I have the confidence to say I could kick Harvey's butt on bass ;) but I can't touch Alan. Or Ade Shaw. Let's not discuss Lemmy ... We have more experienced musician's on this list! Get them :) Which is not to say that it wouldn't be fun to jam out with Brock :) I too would vote for a new bassist ... but I can't see how they can find a better player and writer for HW than Alan (or Lemmy). > I wish Allan luck. I have liked some of his solo stuff quite > a lot. I am not sure how he will do a s leader of a band... I > guess we will jsut have to see. SOunds like he will be playing > live a lot though, so I guess we will get to see.. It's not over till its over. I look forward to good music from Alan and HW, but the whole situation has me worried. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Jan 24 13:29:25 1997 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:29:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: fathers of grunge? Message-ID: >What about it Al? how do you like being one of Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobains >"daddy's" I can't speak for Al, but if either of those two were my child I would be somewhat less than proud. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jan 24 13:46:10 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:46:10 +0000 Subject: BOC:Was Various thoughts now Buck's Band In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Jan 25, 97 00:56:22 am Message-ID: > Sure: > LIneup: > BUCK; geetar/vox > Dave Brock; rythm geetar/vox > Joe B; Bass > Al B; Drums > Allen L ; keys > Del Dittmar; synths and co. > NIK T; sax, flute, coolness > Mike Moorcock; poet Ooo ah! I volunteer Lemmy for bass as well :) I vaguely recall Al saying he had once briefly discussed a collaboration with Lemmy (maybe they could record oldies together :) If they had Nik, they could do "Shooting Shark" with the sax part ;) I wanna hear a Dharma version of "Levitation". And "Psy Power" :) > Tour staff: > Rik D; sound and light > Steve Schenk; orange boy, gopher, piss boy > Rowan Atkinson; dancer ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ EEEEK! ROTFL! > Support bands: > Eric Bloom's death metal band (them laryngitis vox!) > Alan Davey's Bedouin > Lloyd Langton group (hmmm... maybe they should headline) John Shirley's band! I know he used to have one :) As long as I don't have to put up with any of the Harvey Bainbridge shennanigans :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jan 24 13:54:12 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:54:12 CST Subject: New Jersey Message-ID: There's a fair amount of hiking, and such you can do in the Pine Barrens. About a 30-40 minutes north on rt 206 (I think), Club Bene often hosts pretty good bands (Annie Haslam of Renaissance, Marillion their last tour to the US, etc.): I don't recall exactly where it's located, unfortunately ;-/ but directory info should find it. There's always NY, Philly, and Atlantic City and hour away or so, too. Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 11:37 AM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: OFF: New Jersey ok.....I've asked elsewhere and got nothing ..... I'm going to be at Ft. Dix, New Jersey for about 2 weeks.... anyone know of anything constructive in that area to do with my offtime? Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensryche From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 24 14:05:02 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:05:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: fathers of grunge? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970124133910.0b076b64@buffnet.net> Message-ID: >>What about it Al? how do you like being one of Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobains >>"daddy's" > >I can't speak for Al, but if either of those two were my child I would >be somewhat less than proud. well.....I was being more or less facetious about that....they're both kind of tedious IMHO....and in the case of Cobain....well, I'm kind of insulted when people say he was the "spokesman" for my generation.... Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 24 14:02:06 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 14:02:06 -0500 Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: Said FoFP: >> From his point of view, Hawkwind will not tour for ever > >I dunno. I figure that any band which has had over fifty members over 25 >years could easily continue turning over the membership and keep going. >The trick would be to keep the music to the same spirit - that wouldn't >be easy without Brock, but I doubt it'd be impossible. And with newcomers being trained by the veterans, maybe Hawkwind could literally keep going for ever, wow, thats what they mean by Warriors on the Edge of Time ;-) Martyn From AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM Fri Jan 24 14:54:59 1997 From: AGrohe at IGATE.SPRINT.COM (Allan T. Grohe, Jr.) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:54:59 CST Subject: other: John Woo (was RE: Alan Davey) Message-ID: John Woo's not likely to give you too much peace of mind: more like pieces of mind (heh heh heh). [blatant plug] If you're a Woo and gamer, check out _Hong Kong Action Theatre!_ from Event Horizon Productions, Inc. (a rpg company formed by some friends and I last year): more action & fun than you can shake Jackie Chan at ;-> Allan. From: BOC-L Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 12:37 PM To: Grohe, Allan T.; Subject: Re: Alan Davey > Who better a session bassist for > Hawkwind than Alan? Lemmy? (Still, let's stay realistic ... :) Damn. I went out today to find the Alan Davey solo album and the shop didn't have it anymore! (To assuage my grief, I rented John Woo films). Does anyone know net-accessible mail-order places in the UK that have it? Delerium, maybe ......? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ * Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************ * From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Jan 24 16:47:15 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:47:15 -0600 Subject: HW: new Hawkwind WWW site Message-ID: Well, I finally got the rudiments of my Hawkwind trivia WWW site, The Golden Void, up and running. The only part currently available is the gigs and related stats, but I'll be adding more info as time permits. Please stop in, take a look, and let me know what you think. The URL is: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html I probably won't have much time to check my mail this weekend, so please be patient if something isn't working. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Jan 24 19:48:11 1997 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:48:11 -0500 Subject: BOC-L: slavering sycophants vs. harsh critics Message-ID: Albert - Your recent posts have been most informative and interesting. Thanks for the candor on these subjects. I agree that DR should think about other projects as well. I don't understand why he has never released an instrumental solo album. Songs like Gamera is Missing and some of the solo work during shows (hell -even warming up) are examples of the potential of such a project. Shawn From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Jan 24 19:55:46 1997 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:55:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: SLC 1/22/97 Message-ID: Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > > I got to meet a fellow list member, Brad Dahl, last night at the BOC show. > Great guy, sweet wife (Shelly). We had a good time at the show. > > Brad D. will have to give you the set list. He wrote it down and my > memory isn't that good. > > To start out I will say that I have given 3OC lots of grief lately. I want > everyone to understand that it is out of frustration. And I am still > frustrated. And it is going to show in this post. > > The show started with the standard opening of "Stairway to the Stars" > with Eric IMHO having some troubles with the vocals. Throughout the > show Eric seemed to be the emcee and not the lead vocalist. At times he > sounded as though he was recovering from laryngitis, maybe he is. Buck > took the lead vocals for the rest of the show, I think Eric shared them on > ETI. > > New songs played were "Harvest Moon" and "Live in Me". Both sound > like good tunes but the sound system and my location to the right of the > stage prevented me from hearing the lyrics clearly. > > They played "The Last Days of May" and made my day. A favorite that I > had never heard live. We also got "The Vigil" and "In Thee" from Mirrors. > Both done well. These are great tunes live. Another was "Shooting > Shark", which I have always liked and I thought it sounded great. > > At one point the mics stopped working and the decision was made to > play "Bucks Boogie". WOW, it was great. And the crowd was in to it. > A "staged" mic problem? I hope not, but it doesn't matter... > > Eric said that the new album would be out "sometime this spring". > > The show was about 1.5 hours with the BIG 3 coming last. Burnin', > Godzilla, Reaper. No encore. A bit short compared to the last time I saw > them (1/27/95). BTW Eric called them "the Big 3". When people were > screaming for them he said that they would get to the big 3 but that they > wanted to play some things that they don't play as often because they > want to keep the set list fresh. I'm paraphrasing a bit but it sounds like > he's been on this list listening to the complaints ? > > The frustration: at one point Buck was so pissed with the bars > equipment that he gave one of the techs a "this is a fu*king piece of sh*t" > while trying to adjust his sound with the foot switches on the floor. He > was not happy with his sound most of the night and continued to mess > with it almost all night. I don't blame these guys for wanting to do these > types of shows. I guess that I just get frustrated seeing a guy like Buck > have to screw with equipment and get frustrated as hell in this average > joint in Salt Lake. Can this really be fun for them? I hope so. And the peak > of my frustration: I want these guys to be inspired and motivated. I want > to see them do their creative best. I know I have no right to DEMAND it > but I guess I will always HOPE for it. The analogy of children was used > before. If you are always negative they turn out messed up. But I also > think that (as a parent) you want your children to be successful and > accomplish all that they can. When they don't it can be frustrating and > maddening. Its the same way with BOC. I want to see and hear their > best. But as a parent you also have to learn to live with your children's > decisions because they need to be themselves, not what you want them > to be. I only hope that the members of BOC are happy... > > Brad D. make sure to post your review. And don't forget to mention the > drummers little notebook. And the Danny Miranda/Blonde Babe episode, it > was a great laugh. > > Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us Interesting observations... I 've been to several shows in the last few years where the sound is less than adequate. This must really get on Buck's nerves - I hope not to the point where he throws in the towel for club shows. Shawn From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 07:32:07 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:32:07 +1000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <9701241255.aa22213@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > Hawkwind writes: > > > OK guys, don't panic. The deal is that Alan is on sabbatical from the band > > to pursue dates with his band 'Bedouin'. He will tour with Hawkwind and > > perform regular duties where he can. It's not the same as quitting or being > > fired - he is still going to work with HW in the future. > And among othres, Jill Responds thus: > Huw Lloyd Langton did this for several years didn't he? It seemed to > work out quite well (at least from an outsiders point of view it did) > mixing a career with his own band along with that of Hawkwind. Come to > think of it even Dave Brock himself was playing in Agents of Chaos as > well as Hawkwind, I think? > > So - yeah. Given goodwill on all sides, I guess all will be fine. > > obmood> neutral/positive My $A0.0476 (at todays rates): Hmmmm ... having spoken to Doug about this, I think that we should all follow Dale & Jill's lead. It is only natural, with Dave being 55, that Alan would have to eventually consider his post-Hawkwind future. Building on the success of his solo album by following up with a touring band is totally sensible, and it is happening with the good will of the band. Doug wouldn't guarantee that Alan would be there for the forthcoming "World" Tour, but the impression I got was that he believed it be so .... Whatever happens, there is some other good news on the horizon which may make up for all this confusion .... and NO, I promised not to divulge until it's a cert. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 07:32:08 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:32:08 +1000 Subject: Codex ideas??? In-Reply-To: <9701241454.aa14556@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On 24 Jan 97 at 14:54, M Holmes wrote: > Getting the basics up first would be a great start. I definitely > suggest the codex and discography with track listsings being > linked. The best plan would be for the person who's going to mount > the pages to be a sort of project leader. They can then break the > work into small packages and write a README on what to do. > Volunteers could then easily help. Ok .. well I'll hopefully have the discography up in a day or two, and then I'll start linking the tracks together as suggested. When that's done (which might be a while) I'll call for volunteers for the next stage ... Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Jan 25 08:04:36 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:04:36 +1000 Subject: HW: Files via ftp Message-ID: Hi all, I just put some more of Bernhard's files on my ftp site: ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/HW-TRACKS.doc (Word 6) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/HW-TRACKS.zip (Word 6 zipped) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hw-tracks.txt (text) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/hw-trackt.zip (text zipped) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/lineup.doc (Word 6) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/lineup.zip (Word 6 zipped) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/lineup.txt (text) ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/lineupt.zip (text zipped) Best, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jan 25 07:47:34 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:47:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Woo (was RE: Alan Davey) In-Reply-To: <0007sgwqmwse.H00002800119e240@igate.sprint.com> from "Allan T. Grohe, Jr." at Jan 24, 97 01:54:59 pm Message-ID: > John Woo's not likely to give you too much peace of mind: more like > pieces of mind (heh heh heh). True, though by watching his films I can see people in even greater pain than I was after not finding _Captured Rotation_ ;) > [blatant plug] If you're a Woo and gamer, check out _Hong Kong Action > Theatre!_ from Event Horizon Productions, Inc. (a rpg company formed > by some friends and I last year): more action & fun than you can shake > Jackie Chan at ;-> I have indeed seen this, though--alas!--not played it, and it looks pretty hysterical :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse & Celtic, Cambridge * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 25 08:48:47 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:48:47 +0800 Subject: OFF: Saucerful of Secrets Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > William Duffy asked : > > >> >PS I think Saucerful of Secrets was first? > >> > >> Nope. Second. "The piper at the gates of dawn" was first. > >> > >I don't Know if Alex read the actual message or if he is trying to be > funny, but the > >original was querying whether Saucerful of Secrets or Electronic Meditation > (a Tangerine > >Dream album) came first. > > Neither. I did read the message, but I didn't realize the SoS question was > related to TD. Are you telling me TD also released an LP titled like that ? > I had no idea. See, I've just learned something. Sorry for the > misinterpretation. I hope I didn't annoy anyone :-o > > >Saucerful was released in '68, and Meditation in '69. > > Are you sure of this, though ? I mean, I find this particularly weird since > the PF album was ALSO released in 68. Two "Saucerful of Secrets" the same > year by different bands ? Very unlikely. I'm not saying it's impossible, it > just strikes me as reaaaaaalllllllllyyyy strange, if you know what I mean. > Beats me. Your still a bit confused. Tangerine Dream recorded an album, Electronic Meditation, which musically is very similar to Pink Floyd's Saucerul of Secrets. There is only the one Saucerful of Secrets. William From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sat Jan 25 13:31:10 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:31:10 +0300 Subject: Codex ideas??? Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > On the subject of the Codex, it could be an idea to link it more closely to the other > lists, such as the discography and the gigs list. The list could be just an A-Z of song > titles, that are linked. That way you would click on it, and you would have a list of > where each variation of the song appears. If you then click on the album title, it would > list all the other tracks. You could go even further and have links leading to the > lyrics (copyright permitted, naturally). > ... > > Naturally, whosoever wants to compile this list would need a lot of spare time on their > hands? Sounds like a good job for a SQL server / WWW engine. I think that maybe I could do such thing (I'm a programmer and database programming is familiar enough), but as far as I understand, the problem is that has to be some SQL server at a site where these pages are supposed to be. Do you think it's possible? Oh well, maybe it's possible to find such site in SPb where I live... Let's see... This way it wouldn't be such a great job. BTW does someone have codex and discography in some table form (something like album-song-version)? Yuri From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Jan 25 14:48:02 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:48:02 -0500 Subject: Codex ideas??? In-Reply-To: <32EA516E.EB0@pop.convey.ru> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Yuri Elik wrote: > Sounds like a good job for a SQL server / WWW engine. I think that maybe I suggested this way back when (but whoever listens to me, anyway;). > I could do such thing (I'm a programmer and database programming is > familiar enough), but as far as I understand, the problem is that has to > be some SQL server at a site where these pages are supposed to be. Do > you think it's possible? Oh well, maybe it's possible to find such site > in SPb where I live... Let's see... I think the problem does boil down to time in the end. I have been meaning to have a go at this task for ages now (check out the archives for my suggestion [or maybe it was in private e-mail to FoFP]), but have never managed to claw the free time to do it right. Doing it "by hand" as is currently suggested is not only too labour-intensive, but also leads to too rigid a structure for the final product. As you say, a database + search/presentation interface is the way to go. My research area is digital libraries, and there are plenty of good systems around here that could host this effort (for example, we have a multi-processor system with plenty of net bandwidth and 4 terabytes of direct-access storage that we use for digital library research; would that do?:), but finding the time away from other work is the main obstacle to overcome. > This way it wouldn't be such a great job. BTW does someone have codex > and discography in some table form (something like album-song-version)? A while ago I wrote an awk script to process the codex into table format. I have the results as an MS-Access file with the contents of the codex in with the fields SONG, VERSION (a la the codex), SOURCE (live/studio), ALBUM for each codex entry. Alas, my simple script did not preserve the notes attached to some versions in the codex. Would this be useful to you? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gong, _You_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sat Jan 25 15:29:32 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:29:32 +0300 Subject: Codex ideas??? Message-ID: Hi Paul! Paul Mather wrote: > > Sounds like a good job for a SQL server / WWW engine. I think that maybe > I suggested this way back when (but whoever listens to me, anyway;). No wonder - it's an obvious idea > My research area is digital libraries, and there are plenty of good > systems around here that could host this effort (for example, we have a > multi-processor system with plenty of net bandwidth and 4 terabytes of > direct-access storage that we use for digital library research; would that > do?:), Not bad! I can try to do something with MS SQL Server at my work, but I don't know how easy (or how difficult) it will be to port it to another server > A while ago I wrote an awk script to process the codex into table format. > I have the results as an MS-Access file with the contents of the codex in > with the fields SONG, VERSION (a la the codex), SOURCE (live/studio), > ALBUM for each codex entry. Alas, my simple script did not preserve the > notes attached to some versions in the codex. > > Would this be useful to you? Yes, sure. Can you post it to me (at uriah at pop.convey.ru)? Well, that will take some time, for sure (I have to do my primary job there also ;), but maybe I'll manage to do something. Best regards, Yuri obCD: Korai Orom, _Korai Orom '96_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Jan 25 15:51:43 1997 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 21:51:43 +0100 Subject: HW FS: Sonic Attack promo 7" Message-ID: if there's someone who's missing this gem in cloth bag in his/hers kollektion, thake a quick glimpse at the recent updated Rock of Ages page (in stock/hawkwind) http://www.rockofa.demon.co.uk/stock/hawk.html yes, one more thing, the price: 250 GBP I'll pass this time, but will be back! \\joe From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Sat Jan 25 18:20:25 1997 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:20:25 -0500 Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: In a message, someone wrote: << >> I recently got a tape including a song by Patti Smith - 'Revenge Of Vera >> Gemini'. It was credited to be recorded at the NY Palladium, but no date. >> I din't understand the introduction, but afterwards she yells 'Blue >> Oyster Cult!'. Also, a guy is singing, with Patti doing the female parts >> as on BOC's version. >> Does anyone know when this was recorded and who is singing / playing with >> her? >> Who originally posted this? I'd like a dub of the Patti Smith tape. Please contact me. R. From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Jan 25 22:26:56 1997 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 22:26:56 EST Subject: HW: Anthology booklet ready, also SunDial info Message-ID: Well, my "short" project is finally over (two months later :^( ). I have finally finished with scanning and proofing the text to the Hawkwind Anthology booklet "The Approved History of Hawkwind 1967 - 1982". This came in a Xmas box set (in 1986 I think) called the "Official Hawkwind Picture Logbook". I am now letting listmembers know that copies are available. I believe that Sonique will shortly have copies available for FTP and WWW access from his comprehensive web site. This will probably be the easiest way to get a copy. I will also be able to Email copies to individuals who request one. It is available as an ASCII text file, as a ZIPped ASCII text file, and as a WordPerfect5.2 ".doc" file. If you want me to email one to you, you *must* be able to receive UUENCODEd attachments on your incoming email. And be sure to include your return address in the body of your requesting email, in case my mail reader "loses" it... This booklet expanded into almost 25-pgs of 10-pt type, which is what made the editing take so long to complete. %^/ Be careful to re-fill your paper tray should you decided to actually print your own copy. Which may be a copyright violation. I came across an excellent deal that I want to share. The first album by the UK psych group SunDial was called "Other Way Out", and has been out of print for a couple of years. Just recently this was re-issued by a fellow in Indianapolis, with a couple of added tracks. Also re-issued was a release from Modern Art, a fore-runner band to SunDial. Best of all, both CDs were only $10 each!!! Last month I'd have paid $25 for a copy of OWO if I could have found one! For info on getting the HW Anthology file, or ordering info for the US release of SunDial, drop me an 'E at: Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Jan 25 23:37:50 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:37:50 +0800 Subject: HW: Anthology booklet ready, also SunDial info Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > > Well, my "short" project is finally over (two months later :^( ). > I have finally finished with scanning and proofing the text to the > Hawkwind Anthology booklet "The Approved History of Hawkwind 1967 > - 1982". This came in a Xmas box set (in 1986 I think) called the > "Official Hawkwind Picture Logbook". I am now letting listmembers > know that copies are available. > I have the booklet of the History of the Psychedelic Warlords (the one which is in both English & Spanish). I am planning to scan it (probably just the English half). I also have copies of Brian Tawn's HawkFan which I may do as well. I'll contact Brian first, naturally, for permission to put it on the net somewhere. On another subject. Anyone know where I can get Kris Tait's "Do Not Panic" book??? Also anyone got a copy of the interview disk which came in a box set a few years back??? And finally, where can I find the novel "Hype"?????????????????????? William From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 00:50:15 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:50:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Anthology booklet ready, also SunDial info In-Reply-To: <32EADF9E.5958@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 97 at 12:37, William Duffy wrote: > On another subject. Anyone know where I can get Kris Tait's "Do > Not Panic" book??? William, if you do find a second hand copy of that, check the inner for my name ... then tell the guy selling it i know who he is ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 26 00:16:56 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:16:56 +0800 Subject: HW: Anthology booklet ready, also SunDial info Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > On 26 Jan 97 at 12:37, William Duffy wrote: > > > On another subject. Anyone know where I can get Kris Tait's "Do > > Not Panic" book??? > > William, if you do find a second hand copy of that, check the inner > for my name ... then tell the guy selling it i know who he is ;^) > Sure can. I gather it was 'borrowed' by a 'friend'. William From sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 08:05:35 1997 From: sonique at MAIL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:05:35 +1000 Subject: HW: Anthology Notes & Discography Message-ID: Hi all, I just put Chuck's files (the anthology notes by Brian Tawn) on our ftp sevrver in text and Word Perfect format. The Word version will go up in a few days ftp://ftp.pmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/Anthology I also started on the discography. It's in temporary storage in http://203.23.11.55/OzHawks/Codex. There's still *lots* to do of course, and I think my version was out of date. Mike? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU Sun Jan 26 09:32:34 1997 From: uriah at POP.CONVEY.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:32:34 +0300 Subject: HW: Anthology Notes & Discography Message-ID: Hi folks! Sonique wrote: > I just put Chuck's files (the anthology notes by Brian Tawn) on our > ftp sevrver in text and Word Perfect format. The Word version will go > up in a few days > > ftp://ftp.pmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/Anthology This address didn't work, however, at last I've found it at ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/Anthology/ Maybe it'll help Yuri From swann at MINDVOX.COM Sun Jan 26 10:33:10 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 10:33:10 -0500 Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply In-Reply-To: <15CEE987D39@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Jan 17, 97 07:38:07 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > I think waiting ten years between albums is break enough. Just how > much slack are we supposed to cut these guys?. Maybe they prefer AOL > for it's fawning idolatry. At least BOC-L isn't afraid to address > painful issues. And do you really think we'd be this upset over the > long wait between records if we weren't so damn anxious for 3OC to > finally put out the great recording we all know they are capable of? > Just 'cause these guys are our heroes doesn't mean that everything > they do [or don't do!] is great... You know, Ted, I remember when you signed onto this list, all fresh faced, and happy to have found people to discuss BOC with... and look what we did to you. I feel so guilty. ;-) The truth is that my attitude towards BOC went in cycles for many years. I think for a long time I actually felt sort of bitter towards them, because their consistent failure to produce the promised new album over a period of several years seemed tantamount to "withholding" BOC music from me. :-) I'm a lot less vindictive about it these days. The BOC guys have lives and families; I'm sure that they'd love to produce a new album, but if they've got higher priorities than that... well, it's unfortunate, but it's nothing that we have the right to get angry about. I just hope that they find the time and energy to put the album out someday. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Sun Jan 26 11:02:44 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:02:44 -0500 Subject: With BOC I'm Realistic In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Jan 19, 97 03:21:34 pm Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > > On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > BOC Reveiw Jaxx Oct 20, 2017 > > > "Eric Bloom rolled up to the mic in his wheel chair and belted out the > > > standard opener "Stairway to the Stars..." > > > > > > I was there with my walking aid. > > > > Did he say that the new album would be out "real soon now"? ;) > > And the BOC-L fans have started thier own band with such smash hits as > "I'd like to see you in Creem" , "(Don't fear) the record deal", "This > ain't the summer of the new release", "Morning final-ly", "Seven > screaming geriatric fans", "O.D'd on Godzilla itself", "Hungry fans", "You > are the ones (That we're waiting for)", and of course, "Burning for new > (albums)". You guys are killing me. ;-) "This ain't the summer of the new release"? ROTFL! Steve swann at panix.com From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 17:11:09 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:11:09 +1000 Subject: HW: Anthology Notes & Discography In-Reply-To: <32EB6B02.5E7C@pop.convey.ru> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 97 at 17:32, Yuri Elik wrote: > > ftp://ftp.pmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/Anthology > > This address didn't work, however, at last I've found it at > ftp://203.23.11.55/pub/sonique/Anthology/ Thanks Yuri. From now on I'll jus quote the IP address ... I doubt that our ISP people will *ever* get it right! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 17:11:37 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:11:37 +1000 Subject: HW: Anthology booklet ready, also SunDial info In-Reply-To: <32EAE8C7.3EC4@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 97 at 13:16, William Duffy wrote: > Paul G Ward wrote: > > > > On 26 Jan 97 at 12:37, William Duffy wrote: > > > > > On another subject. Anyone know where I can get Kris Tait's "Do > > > Not Panic" book??? > > > > William, if you do find a second hand copy of that, check the inner > > for my name ... then tell the guy selling it i know who he is ;^) > > > Sure can. I gather it was 'borrowed' by a 'friend'. Gee ... how'd you work that out? ;^) -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Jan 26 16:19:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock Message-ID: Hawkwind News Just spoke to Chris Bruce, who spoke with Dave Brock and there was so very interesting news: The band is working on a concept lp about a man who rescues a kid, which is based on a book. The Hawkwind wing of Griffin has gone bankrupt. US Tour is going to happen for sure, but it will not be until June. Richard's girlfriend needs dialysis and the Kadu Flyer wants to try and put on a benifit to raise money for richard. Any ideas? Reunion with Lemmy and nik is being put together to take place in England later in the year. Just in early preparation. (THis is probably what Paul Ward was hiding from us.. perhaps I was not suppose to say anything either.) Alan is offically on sabattical from the band to work on his solo project. It sounded like to me that he would not be touring with the band this summer. Chris asumed that Ron would play bass, but if I recall correctly, didn't Jerry play bass on that one off gig in France? So looks like things will be happening with the band in 1997, just a slow start... Also, the Kadu Flyer will soon have a web site with all the back issues of the flyer and the new one. For those who do not have web access, they plan to put out a postcard with the tour dates etc, prior to the tour. I will let you know when I have the web address. Scott ObCs- Captain Beyond- Miami Fla. 1972 ObCD- Magic Muscle- Gulp! P.S Anyone know what happened to Andrew Fergus? He still owes me a tape from back in september... Are you out there andrew? From stayer at PI.NET Sun Jan 26 18:05:29 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:05:29 -0800 Subject: Patti Smith - Revenge Of Vera Gemini Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message, someone wrote: > >> I recently got a tape including a song by Patti Smith - 'Revenge Of Vera > >> Gemini'. It was credited to be recorded at the NY Palladium, but no date. > >> I din't understand the introduction, but afterwards she yells 'Blue > >> Oyster Cult!'. Also, a guy is singing, with Patti doing the female parts > >> as on BOC's version. > Who originally posted this? I'd like a dub of the Patti Smith tape. Please > contact me. I posted it. I got a Nektar live tape (Anyone got some Nektar live tapes? Please contact me!) with ten minutes of Patti Smith live at the NY Palladium (that's what the trader said who sent me the tape) as a filler; date unknown. Low quality, Vera Gemini complete, the next song (unknown to me) incomplete. Someone said it had to be from the IRC Benefit, but Al was pretty sure BOC did not do Vera Gemini with Patti Smith that night. Jerry ______________________________ "Hope is love's blindness Hope is the heart to carry on" From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Jan 26 18:00:29 1997 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:00:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: address change Message-ID: I'm sorry to post this to the main list, but I don't have the proper address at hand. Ben, I need to give my new e-mail address: chuck at genesisnetwork.net Thanks. Chuck From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Jan 26 22:23:31 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:23:31 +1000 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock In-Reply-To: <01IEOBNONUCM564IIC@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: On 26 Jan 97 at 16:19, Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > Hawkwind News > > Just spoke to Chris Bruce, who spoke with Dave Brock and there > was so very interesting news: > > The band is working on a concept lp about a man who rescues a > kid, which is based on a book. Well, seeing it's public now - they start this this week. They hope to have it ready before the tour/s. > The Hawkwind wing of Griffin has gone bankrupt. ! > US Tour is going to happen for sure, but it will not be until > June. After Oz ;^) > Richard's girlfriend needs dialysis and the Kadu Flyer wants to > try and put on a benifit to raise money for richard. Any ideas? > > Reunion with Lemmy and nik is being put together to take place in > England later in the year. Just in early preparation. > (THis is probably what Paul Ward was hiding from us.. perhaps I > was not suppose to say anything either.) D'oh! Oh well - you've only divulged 2/3 of it ..... At least I kept my promise! Doug will be making a formal announcement in a few weeks (when details are finalised), and doesn't want it "watered down" by rumours circulating before hand. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Jan 26 23:49:05 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:49:05 +0800 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > On 26 Jan 97 at 16:19, Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > > > Hawkwind News > > > > Just spoke to Chris Bruce, who spoke with Dave Brock and there > > was so very interesting news: > > > > The band is working on a concept lp about a man who rescues a > > kid, which is based on a book. > > Well, seeing it's public now - they start this this week. They hope > to have it ready before the tour/s. > Anybody know what the book is? William From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Jan 27 00:44:23 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:44:23 -0700 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC Message-ID: Enough of the 3OC stuff already, on Wednesday January 22nd in Salt Lake City it was BOC, Buck Oyster Cult. The Holy Cow is a small club in a stripmall. We got there during the opening act. I didn't get their name, but they are a local band that sounded pretty typical of the current music scene. They weren't bad, just typical. After they finished we made our way to the stage and staked out a spot that appeared to be weirdoless, and let me tell ya, there were plenty of weirdos at this show. It was good to see some younger fans there, but there was some wacko who kept trying to grab Buck, and he wasn't reaching for his hands either. We were right up front leaning on Danny's monitor, which led to some real fun later in the show. The bad thing about this spot was we did not get any of the PA's sound. It was almost impossible to hear the vocal's (except Danny's from his monitor), the keyboards and Eric and Allen's guitars. We could hear the bass really good though, and Buck's guitar. The setlist had a few surprises: Stairway to the Stars (always a great opener) Before the Kiss (a good song, but no longer a novelty) ETI (a great song, would've been better with VOCALS!) Buck's Boogie (the vocal mikes ceased to work at this point, so an instrumental was in order) Harvest Moon (oh how I hope this ends up on an album someday) The Vigil ("In this world there's good and bad. This song is about the good side" BD) Live for Me (another worthy new entry) Cities on Flame (oh Albert were you desperately needed here) Last Days of May (all they were missing was the spotlight hitting the mirror ball) In Thee (proceeded by the Salt Lake City blues, and no drums) Shooting Shark (Danny played the shit out of this one) Burnin' for You (and it seemed like many people there were burning for me) Godzilla (it's always cool to hear a song about your mother-in-law) Don't Fear the Reaper (it just wouldn't be the big 3 without this one) NO ENCORE! (what the hell was up with this?) So the guys hit the stage at 11:30 and nobody was happy with their sound so it took about 10 minutes of screwing around to get things functional. Let's start with Eric. Something is wrong with his voice. He sang everything in a lower register and even had a hard time talking. He was not much of a presence on stage. He spent most of his time behind the keyboards, and not playing much (although it was difficult to hear the keyboards from my position). When he did have his guitar he didn't play much. It was very disappointing to see him like this. Buck sang the verses with Eric on Cities on Flame. It sucked. The show really hurt from his absence. Buck was another story. He was the only thing that night that even resembled Blue Oyster Cult. It was pretty cool being so close to him that I could see his watch was still set to EST. He constantly had problems with his effects controller, but like the pro he is, he didn't let it slow him down much. His playing wasn't quite as smooth as the last time I saw them, but he was still incredible. Buck really muffed it on the guitar lick that proceeds "We run in circles". He kept stomping his effects controller not finding the sound he wanted and in the meantime was playing nothing close to the lick, and as luck would have it, it's a part of the song where he's the only one playing. It seems to me that when I saw them on the Mirrors tour that Allen played this lick on the keyboards and Buck just sang. You've got to admire him for attempting to play that and sing at the same time. Allen was still breathing and spent most of his time playing guitar (at least it looked that way). He even sang on the chorus of Godzilla. Danny was in great shape this night. I know in last year's review I gave him a hard time, but he definitely had it together on this night and seemed to be having more fun than anybody else. There was a blonde girl next to me that seemed to be interested in him (bassplayers get all the chicks, right John?). In between songs he reached out to her and said "Hi, I'm Danny, I'm a Pisces. What's your name?". To which she replied "Tammy". He then mumbled something that sounded like "John Swartz", or maybe he said "my swartz"? Allen was watching this with amazement and came over to check it out. He leaned over to Danny and said "You're gonna score. Does she have any friends?". Then he kinda stared off in to space for awhile as if to ponder whether or not there was enough alcohol in the place to make this happen. It was kind of like watching some nature film on the mating ritual of musicians. All that was missing was Marlin Perkins. The drummer-of-the-month was John Micelli (I'm not sure of the spelling, and neither is my spellchecker). He was obviously a very good drummer, but needed some more rehearsal with the band. He had charts for all of the songs (you should have seen him scramble for Buck's Boogie when they played it spontaneously). For the most part he played things very well, but kept looking for help from the other guys and didn't get it. He even had a difficult time getting the stage crew to get him a drink. He really screwed up Buck's Boogie, but I doubt that many people in the audience even noticed. His inability to relax and just play really hurt the whole band. There was very little about the show that seemed polished. Overall I was very disappointed in the performance. I would rather that Eric not try to sing in his condition. In fact, maybe he should just sit out until he gets it together. I know some people are crying out for Buck to go solo. If you ask me, that's what this was. It had to be frustrating for them to play this show in a stripmall, with all kinds of sound and musician problems, and having a couple of wackos in your face all night. It was embarrassing. There's plenty more Buck songs that they could add so Eric doesn't have to struggle and almost lipsinc. It was about 1:30 when we stopped booing because there was no encore, and we didn't stick around to see how Danny made out. Yes, there were a few of us who had jobs to go to the next day. The best thing about the show was meeting Brad Lauchnor a long time BOC-Ler. He's a very cool guy and I'm just glad I didn't have to stand behind him (he's 6' 6"). My wish list for BOC: Eric to get well. The new album to be finished and available in the U.S. A regular drummer. Them to come back to SLC and start playing by 10:00. Hot Rails to Hell with me singing and playing bass (this is a wish list). A few less wackos. More chicks for bassplayers, that would be cool. From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon Jan 27 01:03:58 1997 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:03:58 -0900 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC In-Reply-To: <199701270545.WAA07615@mailhub.aros.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, dahl wrote: > The Vigil ("In this world there's good and bad. This song is about the > good side" BD) This song is one of my all time favorites. I am glad to see they are playing it live. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From stayer at PI.NET Mon Jan 27 02:44:23 1997 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:44:23 -0800 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock Message-ID: Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > Hawkwind News [ some news snipped ] > Reunion with Lemmy and nik is being put together to take place in > England later in the year. Just in early preparation. Uh-oh. I already planned three trips to the UK for this year. I guess I need another one... Hm, it /is/ a trip to look forward to. Jerry ______________________________ "Hope is love's blindness Hope is the heart to carry on" From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jan 27 03:14:11 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 01:14:11 -0700 Subject: off-a lost E-mail address(My fault) and Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: Hi all! Sorry 'bout this-But I need to thank Randy A. For a prompt delivery og a CD:) And a cool tape He made up for me!!Thax guy-you're awesome for doing this for me!! Now -some questions: Where do I find info on the following bands-as in purchasing some of their tunage? Soon! Can Word Of Life Sundial Helios Creed Gong Darxtar Soma QuarkSpace Kalus Schulze-Especially this one-they're awesome! Needless to say, this was a sampler tape that Randy made up for me-My true appreciation to him!! I really liked these-and would like more info on them!! Thanx in advance!! Kep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Friday night my wife and I went to see the Michael J Fox film 'The Frighteners'. An okay film, but the closing music was a version of Don't Fear the Reaper! Pretty predictable I suppose, in a film about ghosts! I don't know who it was by, I couldn't be bothered to wait for the credits to roll it up, and I was unable to locate a soundtrack CD in the shops. It wasn't as good as the Lydia Lunch and Jim Thirwell version, anyway. Martin From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 27 05:14:11 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:14:11 -0000 Subject: HW:Motorhead's version of 'The Watcher' Message-ID: >all albums have bonus tracks including HW "covers" motorhead, lost >johnny and the watcher. Z Z top's "Beer Drinkers and Hellraisers" >"Louie, Louie" , tyhe old r&b classic "Leaving Here", John Mayell's >"I'm your Witchdoctor", a live version of Willie Dixon's "Hootchie >Cootchie Man" and one highlight (or lowlight) Wendy O'Williams >(plasmatics) and Lemmy doing "Stand by your man" Beer/Louie/Leaving/Witchdoctor were on a 12" blue vinyl e.p. (can't remember the label, & I'm in my office so I can't check. More details on request. Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jan 27 05:27:07 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:27:07 -0000 Subject: OFF - CD Swap? Message-ID: Jon Jarrett wrote: >there ius also on another stall in Cambridge Market a Tangerine Dream >CD called `Electronic Meditation' - going cheap. Is it a good idea to >get this, being as the band will be new to me? I'm sure one of the >knowledgeable people of BOC-L can help me decide... > Jazza This is a very early TD album (the first, I think), and rather different to the stuff that most people associate with the band: more use of conventional instruments (but not to make more conventional music!?). It was very experimental for its time. Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 07:19:05 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:19:05 +0000 Subject: Swap? Message-ID: I have now come into the possession of the Imaginos CD, which has made the following items redundant: Astronomy CD single, featuring Astronomy (LP version), Magna of Illusion (LP version), and Don't Fear the Reaper (AOF version). Imaginos blue vinyl elpee. They are both as new - I would be interested in exchanging them for the BOC lyric book and/or a brand new Workshop of the Telescopes t-shirt in X-L. Martin From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 08:07:02 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:07:02 +0000 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock In-Reply-To: <01IEOBNONUCM564IIC@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Jan 26, 97 04:19:00 pm Message-ID: > The Hawkwind wing of Griffin has gone bankrupt. Bummer! Rush out and get your Griffin CDs now! > US Tour is going to happen for sure, but it will not be until > June. Ah ... I might be in the States by then :) > Reunion with Lemmy and nik is being put together to take place in > England later in the year. Just in early preparation. This I certianly must attend! Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 27 08:19:00 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:19:00 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session and other things which go bump in the Message-ID: >Yeah, this has got to be amazing. Hey, dudes and ladies, eat your collective hearts out, 'cause for once I'll be catching all tBS shows, incl. these bar-room marathons. Enjoy Theo (you lucky bastard ;-) ). You will not be disappointed I'm sure. And, we'll all expect the full gory details . . . >make sure the tape machines are rolling during this upstate swing. And if anyone in the audience is taping . . . well, I'd love to hear it. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 27 08:25:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:25:10 -0500 Subject: BOC-L: slavering sycophants vs. harsh critics Message-ID: >Esp. now that EB has devloped this seemingly psycho-somatic inability to sing anymore. Is this condition a subconscious attempt to sabotage the new record so he won't have to face a possible disaster? Whoa Theo - Bloom may be a lot of things, but unless you've got some proof, I wouldn't be makin' these kind of accusations, if I were you. Besides, why would Bloom or anyone in BOC be worried about possible disaster. They already did *Club Ninja* (no, let's not start that discussion - but, whether you like the album, or songs off of it, or not, you have to admit that the album was somewhat of a disaster for BOC), and they certainly aren't swelling the ranks of fans at this point. Even if (and this is a big if, IMHO) the album were to flop, BOC really has nothing to lose at this point. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 27 08:34:51 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:34:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC Message-ID: >(bassplayers get all the chicks, right John?) ROTFLMAO!! Ya know, I was in quite the funk after my beloved New England Patriots lost the Superbowl (hey, at least they made it a good game for awhile - how many AFC teams have done that in recent memory), but this comment probably brought the first smile to my face this morning. As far as bassplayers gettin' all the chicks, probably only Paul McCartney and Gene Simmons . . . But hey, at least my wife will still have me (in spite of my bass playing!) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 27 08:39:53 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:39:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC Message-ID: >Danny, I'm a Pisces. What's your name?". To which she replied "Tammy". He then mumbled something that sounded like "John Swartz", or maybe he said "my swartz"? Guess I should've read the rest of your review before posting. I'd be VERY surprised if that's what he said. For the record, I've never met Danny (did get to see him play live once) or corresponded with him. As for beautiful blondes named Tammy, only in my dreams . . . (I usually prefer beautiful brunettes anyway, like my wife). John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 27 08:34:02 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:34:02 EDT Subject: BOC-L: slavering sycophants vs. harsh critics Message-ID: From: John A Swartz > >Esp. now that EB has devloped this seemingly > psycho-somatic inability to sing anymore. Is this condition a > subconscious attempt to sabotage the new record so he won't have to > face a possible disaster? > > Whoa Theo - Bloom may be a lot of things, but unless you've got some > proof, I wouldn't be makin' these kind of accusations, if I were you. Yeah, I knew that was a mistake as soon as I hit the send button! > Besides, why would Bloom or anyone in BOC be worried about possible > disaster. They already did *Club Ninja* (no, let's not start that > discussion - but, whether you like the album, or songs off of it, or > not, you have to admit that the album was somewhat of a disaster for > BOC), and they certainly aren't swelling the ranks of fans at this > point. Even if (and this is a big if, IMHO) the album were to flop, > BOC really has nothing to lose at this point. > > John I was speculating on something Al said about bands with a long time between records being afraid of the unknown. Purely speculation. And from what I heard live, I agree that any new BOC material should be great. You're right, at this point it doesn't really matter if the record is a bomb... theo From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Jan 27 09:34:14 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 06:34:14 -0800 Subject: HW:News from Dave Brock Message-ID: You wrote: > > Hawkwind News > > Just spoke to Chris Bruce, who spoke with Dave Brock and there > was so very interesting news: > > > The Hawkwind wing of Griffin has gone bankrupt. > No surprise. Griffin and its its distribution wing Feedback have been rumored to be on shaky ground for quite a while. I know several people who would like to pick up US distribution for HW, so if the lawyers permit things should be fine...maybe even improve. Wylie From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jan 27 09:09:37 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:09:37 EDT Subject: Subject: No Album Yet. -Reply Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > > You know, Ted, I remember when you signed onto this list, all fresh > faced, and happy to have found people to discuss BOC with... and look > what we did to you. I feel so guilty. ;-) > This is the second reference to my loss of flower, so to speak. Again, I think it's just that I feel more comfortable about expressing myself. Ya gottat remember, that prior to last month, I hadn't seen 3OC in several years, whereas I think a lot of folks on BOC-L have gotten to see them a lot. So I guess you all are more frustrated than I am. Having seen them last month has really put the bug in. I think there's still great potential for the band, but this inertia can't possibly be helping them... > The truth is that my attitude towards BOC went in cycles for many > years. I think for a long time I actually felt sort of bitter towards > them, because their consistent failure to produce the promised new > album over a period of several years seemed tantamount to > "withholding" BOC music from me. :-) > This is true. I don;t understand why they don't release stuff through the internet, as part of their various fan clubs. A la Albert... > I'm a lot less vindictive about it these days. The BOC guys have lives > and families; I'm sure that they'd love to produce a new album, but > if they've got higher priorities than that... well, it's unfortunate, > but it's nothing that we have the right to get angry about. I just > hope that they find the time and energy to put the album out someday. > > Steve > swann at panix.com This is very logical, but the reverse argument keeps coming up: how can they protect their livelihood by being so inactive? Will they keep slipping another rung down the ladder each year until everyone just gives up on them? The joint I saw them in was pretty small. I don't know how much lower they can get without falling off the map... theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jan 27 11:34:00 1997 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:34:00 +0000 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's mail of Fri, 24 Jan 97 18:40 +0000 Message-ID: On 24 Jan 18:40, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > and they will likely perform just the same old things > > or things that they are totally comfortable with... > > Yeah, I would be more worried about this if it didn't already seem > to be the case. I fear we're into a downward trend that won't reverse :( Er, didn't they produce a studio album only 14 months ago? That's the fourth this decade, excluding two solo albums and an album under a different name. And they're working on another. OK, so it's not an album a year, but it's not like they're Blue Oyster Cult or something :-). Then there are three live albums (+ at least one more that started off unofficial and then became official), most of which include a couple of new tracks (if only instrumentals). Best of all, when they do play old tracks, they don't just stick to a set menu of standards. OK, they play Assassins in most gigs, but who's complaining about that? I do agree that a little bit more rock would not go amiss, and the backing tracks probably mean they don't jam as much as they used to. But this hardly merits remarks as negative as those above, IMO. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 12:58:37 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:58:37 GMT Subject: HW: In search of Oz Message-ID: Just scanning through the Hawkwind Web Page I tried to access the OzHawks info but got the following message. Hope it means something to someone! Spelling errors have been left in 8-) "We Regret to inform you that you link to this page is out of date. Our website has been moved from Maxwell to Chief, however the alais WWW.pcmicro.com.au moved with it. Please refresh your browser and if you are still having problems try Chief.pcmicro.com.au This page is NOT under construction." jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Jan 27 13:07:40 1997 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:07:40 -0600 Subject: HW: A dream I had... Message-ID: I just realized that I had a dream recently that pertains to this list: I dreamt that I got a HW album from around early 1984 that - in the dream - was rather common. I therefore wondered, "Gee, why didn't I see this before?" When I listened to it, I was surprised to discover YET ANOTHER studio version of "Sonic Attack". Ackk! Anyhoo, this version was kind of heavily metallic, as opposed to the earlier ones. If I'm remembering my dream right, then the lyrics were also sung instead of spoken over the music. Weird, huh? Maybe I was subconsciously thinking about that imaginary HW album that never came out. Damon From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 13:23:42 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:23:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person In-Reply-To: Cliff & Pam Wheaton's message of Mon, 27 Jan 1997 01:14:11 -0700 Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes: > Hi all! > Sorry 'bout this-But I need to thank Randy A. For a prompt delivery og a > CD:) And a cool tape He made up for me!!Thax guy-you're awesome for > doing this for me!! > > Now -some questions: Where do I find info on the following bands-as in > purchasing some of their tunage? Soon! {Can} - Progressive Rock (German, I think?) {Word Of Life} - dunno {Sundial} - another Prog Rock band still available from Mail Order outlets {Helios Creed} - possibly industrial? I've seen the occasional CD in odd places but definitely mail orderable. {Gong} - should be readily available on CD from most good record stores. But beware, their recordings extend over as many years as Hawkwind with an equal number of personnel changes {Darxtar} - from Sweden and some access through mailorder {Soma} - mail order (Delerium), occasionally (rarely) found in UK stores {QuarkSpace} - dunno {Kalus Schulze-Especially this one-they're awesome!} - which tracks were you listening to? Klaus Schulze is a German synth artist with an extraordinary range of output. Stuff like Timewind (yeah!) and Blackdance are IMO his best but some folk prefer his more ?minimalist stuff. There's usually loads of his CDs around, probably best searched for under New Age or Ambient sections. jill obshock> a plane ticket price of 440.00 pounds! Not the cost of a flight from UK to Australia but the cost for a flight of just 800 miles between Edinburgh and Plymouth. Strewth...... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 27 13:34:00 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:34:00 -0500 Subject: HW: In search of Oz Message-ID: jill saw the message: > >"We Regret to inform you that you link to this page is out of date. >Our website has been moved from Maxwell to Chief, however the alais >WWW.pcmicro.com.au moved with it. I seem to remember Paul saying something about the website moving from one computer to another without his prior notification Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Jan 27 13:38:08 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:38:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: >jill > >obshock> a plane ticket price of 440.00 pounds! Not the cost of a >flight from UK to Australia but the cost for a flight of just 800 miles >between Edinburgh and Plymouth. Strewth...... Wow that is high. BTW at the other end of the spectrum, if any ex-pats are interested, BA/USAir are offering round trips Raleigh/London for $179 (L120)!! Martyn From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Jan 27 14:07:59 1997 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:07:59 -0500 Subject: off-a lost E-mail address(My fault) and Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: > Where do I find info on the following bands- > Klaus Schulze-Especially this one-they're awesome! Klaus is great, but he has several different phases. Lots of descriptions and reviews can be found at the unofficial web site: http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~jstamato/ks/klaus_schulze.html and the official web site: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/lk13/ks.htm -Ken CDs for sale or trade - http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jan 27 14:13:48 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:13:48 -0700 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > > {Can} - Progressive Rock (German, I think?) Hmmm-I sure liked the 2 trax on this sampler:"Mother Sky" &"Spoon" > > {Word Of Life} - dunno Progressive- > > {Sundial} - another Prog Rock band still available from Mail Order outlets Cool!! > {Helios Creed} - possibly industrial? I've seen the occasional CD in odd > places but definitely mail orderable. Yeah-heavyish-but liked them too! > {Gong} - should be readily available on CD from most good record stores. > But beware, their recordings extend over as many years as Hawkwind > with an equal number of personnel changes Oh boy-here we go again:) > {Darxtar} - from Sweden and some access through mailorder > {Soma} - mail order (Delerium), occasionally (rarely) found in UK stores > {QuarkSpace} - dunno > {Kalus Schulze-Especially this one-they're awesome!} - which tracks were > you listening to? Klaus Schulze is a German synth artist with an > extraordinary range of output. Stuff like Timewind (yeah!) and > Blackdance are IMO his best but some folk prefer his more > ?minimalist stuff. There's usually loads of his CDs around, > probably best searched for under New Age or Ambient sections. This tape only has one partial track-"Death of An Analogue" I sure liked it tho! Any idea which album?? Thanx for your info!! I'll keep looking too! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >Let's start with Eric. Something is wrong with his voice. He sang >everything in a lower register and even had a hard time talking. He was >not much of a presence on stage. He spent most of his time behind the >keyboards, and not playing much (although it was difficult to hear the >keyboards from my position). When he did have his guitar he didn't play >much. It was very disappointing to see him like this. Buck sang the >verses with Eric on Cities on Flame. It sucked. The show really hurt from >his absence. After hearing this, I have decided not to go see them until his voice is back in shape. Last summer I forked out $25 bucks to see BOC at a "Classic Rock Fest". They played 5 songs total. I can't see myself paying for anymore subpar performances. ...which reminds me, I saw them last winter ina club and they blew the horns on the clubs PA so all you heard were lows and mids. It didn't seem to bother them though, they just kept on playing. I know it's considered professional to not let equipment problems affect your performance, but they were not delivering a quality product to the fans that paid to see them that night. From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Jan 27 14:42:24 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:42:24 -0700 Subject: BOC: ohhhhh Danny Message-ID: John, I'm glad I made you laugh (that was the intention). The Danny and the blonde story is embellished a bit. He did say "Hi, I'm Danny" and definately put the moves on this chick. Allen was definately observing this whole thing very closely. The rest of the review is unembellished. You can't blame me for trying to get a smile out of you guys : ) Rock on Dudes, Brad From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 15:02:48 1997 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:02:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC In-Reply-To: <199701271334.IAA03107@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Jan 27, 97 08:34:51 am Message-ID: > > (bassplayers get all the chicks, > > right John?) > > As far as bassplayers gettin' all the chicks, probably only Paul McCartney > and Gene Simmons . . . Lemmy maybe :) (as per .sig ;) Otherwise it's always good to play guitar as a backup :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Jan 27 15:10:33 1997 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:10:33 -0700 Subject: BOC: ohhhhh Danny -Reply Message-ID: >>> dahl 01/27/97 12:42pm >>> John, I'm glad I made you laugh (that was the intention). The Danny and the blonde story is embellished a bit. He did say "Hi, I'm Danny" and definately put the moves on this chick. Allen was definately observing this whole thing very closely. The rest of the review is unembellished. You can't blame me for trying to get a smile out of you guys : ) Rock on Dudes, Brad >>>>>>>>>>>> But it wasn't THAT embellished. Buck was "playing" for her. AL came over to watch. John was giving Danny a bad time. I was laughing half the time with the crap that John was giving Danny. Even Eric sauntered over to watch. Quite amusing. Danny let the *big* sound tech guy know that the blonde was to get back with the band when the show was over. I would like to know what is going on with Eric too. He seemed not only unable to sing, but also a bit lethargic. Jet Lag? About all he did after the first 3 songs was anounce the upcoming song. It was good to see AL alive. He seemed to be having a good time. I think he enjoys getting his chance to do "In Thee". And I'm pretty sure that Danny said "I know John Swartz" in an attempt to impress the girl :) :) :) Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Jan 27 15:12:29 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:12:29 -0700 Subject: off-a lost E-mail address(My fault) and Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: Ken Alexander wrote: > > > Where do I find info on the following bands- > > Klaus Schulze-Especially this one-they're awesome! > > Klaus is great, but he has several different phases. > Lots of descriptions and reviews can be found at the unofficial web site: > http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~jstamato/ks/klaus_schulze.html > and the official web site: > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/lk13/ks.htm > > -Ken > CDs for sale or trade - http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/kalex/forsale.html Thanx for the info-that's a really neat page! The "Official page" address didn;t work!! Thanx again!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace just had an hour free, and decided to decode Space Ritual Vol 2. here's the results: time reported by CD: SR oneway SRII magnum conclusion Electronic #1/Space 2:32 2:15 same, but 1) Orgone Accumulator 10:00 8:47 different Upside Down 2:52 2:44 different 10 Seconds of Forever 1:57 2:10 same Brainstorm 9:21 12:07 same, but 2) 7 by 7 6:11 8:53 different Sonic Attack 2:53 2:51 same Time We Left 5:46 13:21 different 3) Master of the Universe 7:38 7:43 same Welcome 2:01 2:54 same, but 4) 1) about 15 secs of beginning is missing on SRII 2) the part between 6:40-9:00 on SRII is cut on SR 3) while listening to SRII version, you understand where SR TWL is edited 4) guitar pick at 1:00-1:27 on SRII is missing on SR, also audience at the end is missing now, the question: should I've spent the hour with my kids instead? \\joe ObStoicWork: Telling users not to worry for the dreaded PENPAL GREETING virus. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Mon Jan 27 15:29:30 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 20:29:30 GMT Subject: Space ritual Message-ID: Hi I tryed working out the space ritual I and II and got simlar results expect I wasn't sure about upside down. I could work that one out. Sounds so much the same jet not perfect. Also for masters of the universe I said that it wasn't same intro before the song and not much wind on the song intro. I also commended on different singing and no guitar something or other at the "Blind" bit. Is it the mixing or is the song different? Also can any one tell me what songs on the first record of Space ritual are from? As for the childern. What nnot spend the hour listening to ahwkwind with them? Are they into hawkwind? Tim From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Jan 27 15:12:00 1997 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: HW:benifit for Richard Message-ID: Hello, Chris Bruce is trying to put together some benifit gigs for Richard Chadwick's girlfriend. They are going tos et up a trust in a local bank here in boston and are trying to find some bands to play. They have lined up David Peel for a show on the lower east side in NYC and one here in Boston. If you know any bands in your area who might be willing to do this for a member of HW, please give Chris Bruce a call at: 617-547-9633. If you are just catching up with us, Richard's girlfriend is in desperate need of dialysis and they are trying to raise some money. If you can help, please contact Chris Bruce. Scott ObCs- Alrune Rod- Alrune Rod (1969) From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Jan 27 15:39:41 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:39:41 E Subject: HW: LIS VIDEO Message-ID: I finally got my copy of the LIS video from Visionary. I ordered it in the begining of sept. (talk about holding your breath)...but when it finally showed up during the end of Assassins the audio cuts out in two distinct spots... Has this happened to anyone elses??? On another note I picked up a vid called "Escape from Trancyberia" hiding among the credits of musicians was Harvey Bainbrige and , what I think tobe a rather cryptic "Mijk van Dijk" there was a computer artist by the name of "Brainstorm" another musicians name "Icu" and a reference in the production credits to a "Turner"... Is this just a cosmic coincident or are these people who I think they are?? bryan Pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jan 27 15:49:13 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:49:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: ohhhhh Danny -Reply Message-ID: And I'm pretty sure that Danny said "I know John Swartz" in an attempt to impress the girl :) :) :) I just bummed that that never worked for ME! ;-) John From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 27 17:52:45 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:52:45 +1000 Subject: HW: In search of Oz In-Reply-To: <9701271834.AA26015@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On 27 Jan 97 at 13:34, Martyn White wrote: > jill saw the message: > > > >"We Regret to inform you that you link to this page is out of date. > >Our website has been moved from Maxwell to Chief, however the alais > >WWW.pcmicro.com.au moved with it. > > I seem to remember Paul saying something about the website > moving from one computer to another without his prior notification Yeah ... they think that just because I work here I don't need to be treated as a customer :( Anyway .. here's where my pages are: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique and OzHawks is at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Now, because they don't seem to know how to get our DNS problems sorted out, you may have trouble getting there. The best thing to do is replace www.pcmicro.com.au with the machine name, which is chief.pcmicro.com.au in that case ..... Paul (clamed down to just simmering) -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 27 17:54:31 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:54:31 +1000 Subject: HW: Space Ritual Decoded In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19970127210916.105f3396@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On 27 Jan 97 at 21:11, Johan Edlundh wrote: > just had an hour free, and decided to decode Space Ritual Vol 2. > here's the results: > now, the question: > should I've spent the hour with my kids instead? A few hours of vinyl or kids ... and you had to ask?? -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Jan 27 16:59:27 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:59:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person In-Reply-To: <32ECFE6C.4EF6@micron.net> Message-ID: In <32ECFE6C.4EF6 at micron.net>, on 01/27/97 at 12:13 PM, Cliff & Pam Wheaton said: >J Strobridge wrote: >> >> {Helios Creed} - possibly industrial? I've seen the occasional CD in odd >> places but definitely mail orderable. >Yeah-heavyish-but liked them too! EAR/Rational usually has a lot of his CD's listed. He's also played with some other bands.....Chrome is the only one that comes to mind right now. I don't know if it's still around but the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock had some information on most of those you had listed. You might be able to find some information on Delerium's Web site (I have to check it again, there were a few releases that sounded interesting that should be out by now). Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jan 27 17:57:29 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:57:29 +1000 Subject: off-a lost E-mail address(My fault) and Thanx to a neat pers In-Reply-To: <32EC63D3.3A1F@micron.net> Message-ID: On 27 Jan 97 at 1:14, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Now -some questions: Where do I find info on the following bands-as in > purchasing some of their tunage? Soon! > Darxtar http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/darXtar/grab.html and/or http://www.algonet.se/~darxtar Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Jan 27 13:01:27 1997 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:01:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a (helios/chrome} Message-ID: Jerry Guizar wrote: > >> {Helios Creed} - possibly industrial? I've seen the occasional CD in odd > >> places but definitely mail orderable. > >Yeah-heavyish-but liked them too! > > EAR/Rational usually has a lot of his CD's listed. He's also played > with some other bands.....Chrome is the only one that comes to mind right > now. > there is a box-set available from cleopatra called the "chrome box",which is strongly recommended to helios/chrome fans. it features what is imo the best selection of chrome trax one could ask for.it costs a bit- 27.98,but it seems worth it to me. i guess. the catalogue # is 9770 anyway- here is the ordering info: (i am in no way associated with cleopatra,except in that i have ordered stuff from them quite a few times.) cleopatra 8726 S. sepulveda blvd. ste D82 los angeles ca 90045 usa losangeles phone/:1 800 275 2250_____for free catalogue. ny phone/: 18007674639 -------------|for free catalogue. credit card orders: (213) 466 7276 well,there it is... rj From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jan 27 19:36:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:36:00 -0600 Subject: Buck Solo and Box Guitars for tBS Message-ID: >From: dahl >Cities on Flame (oh Albert were you desperately needed here) Some thought I was crazy when I said 3OC should not do this song. Glad to know I+m not the only one who feels this way about this song. >I know some people are crying out for Buck >to go solo. If you ask me, that's what this was. He most definitely should. Buck+s not getting any younger and it may be hard on him for a while so do it now is my feeling. Buck still has plenty left. He could do a guitar master thing with somebody like Rik Emmet (formerly Triumph) or maybe Steve Morse. For a real blast Buck and Gary Hoey on stage together would be an unbelievable thing. Martin wrote: >......This is no intended criticism of tBS, I am certain >they would do a killer acoustic set - I just feel that it is a rather >overhyped 'concept'. I haven+t been fortunate enough to catch live tBS music except on video but if I did I would love an acoustic break in the set. They should start the set with Love Potion #9. Only a couple of more weeks until the new Threshold CD. lil ab (Recent Jammings) Y&T - Musically Incorrect King+s X - Out of A Silent Planet Velvet Hammer - Live Gary Hoey - Bug Alley Dream Theater - Live at the Marquee From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Jan 27 18:45:47 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:45:47 E Subject: interview w/ Dave & Calvert Article Message-ID: Flipping thru some old copies of "Record Collector", I came across an issue from Febuary 1993, on page 105-106 is a cool interview w/ Dave Brock, About the time of Electric Teepee, talking about The Famous Cure, royalties, and the "golden age of HW" on 107-108 is a pge dedicated to Robert Calvert including a complete UK Discography w/1993 mint prices. pp109-110 is an article by Brian Tawn about Michael Moorcock. Tawn also wrote the Calvert retrospective. Mark Paytress interviewed Dave. peace, bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Jan 27 19:31:30 1997 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:31:30 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 21 Jan 1997 to 22 Jan 1997 In-Reply-To: <199701230133.CAA09178@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: Just say something Pro-Bck & Eric and watch your replys be answered!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Tue Jan 28 01:43:53 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 23:43:53 -0700 Subject: BOC: BOC in SLC Message-ID: dahl wrote: >Let's start with Eric. Something is wrong with his voice. He sang >everything in a lower register and even had a hard time talking. He was >not much of a presence on stage. He spent most of his time behind the >keyboards, and not playing much (although it was difficult to hear the >keyboards from my position). When he did have his guitar he didn't play >much. It was very disappointing to see him like this. Buck sang the >verses with Eric on Cities on Flame. It sucked. The show really hurt from >his absence. then Joseph M. Lofft wrote: After hearing this, I have decided not to go see them until his voice is back in shape. Last summer I forked out $25 bucks to see BOC at a "Classic Rock Fest". They played 5 songs total. I can't see myself paying for anymore subpar performances. ...which reminds me, I saw them last winter ina club and they blew the horns on the clubs PA so all you heard were lows and mids. It didn't seem to bother them though, they just kept on playing. I know it's considered professional to not let equipment problems affect your performance, but they were not delivering a quality product to the fans that paid to see them that night. That's too bad. I'll admit that I was disappointed with EB's voice, but the other great songs they did made up for it. It was worth the price of admission just to hear Last Days of May and Golden Age of Leather (both of which are sung by Buck, of course). Also, I thought the band put on a great show. I especially get a kick out of watching Danny -- he looks like he has such a damn good time on stage (or maybe it was the good time he had the night before in SLC...) Aaron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2396 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jan 28 01:46:58 1997 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:46:58 +0800 Subject: HW: LIS VIDEO Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > I finally got my copy of the LIS video from Visionary. I ordered it in the > begining of sept. (talk about holding your breath)...but when it finally showed up during the end of Assassins the audio cuts out in two distinct spots... > Has this happened to anyone elses??? > My copy doesn't do this anywhere. It must be some sort of fault when they duplicated from the mastertape. Tell them of your problem, they should swap it free of charge! > On another note I picked up a vid called "Escape from Trancyberia" > hiding among the credits of musicians was Harvey Bainbrige and , what I think tobe a rather cryptic "Mijk van Dijk" there was a computer artist by the name of "Brainstorm" another musicians name "Icu" and a reference in the production > credits to a "Turner"... > Is this just a cosmic coincident or are these people who I think they are?? > Is this a music video??? William From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Jan 28 04:00:28 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 02:00:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: Jerry Guizar wrote: > > > EAR/Rational usually has a lot of his CD's listed. He's also played > with some other bands.....Chrome is the only one that comes to mind right > now. > > I don't know if it's still around but the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of > Progressive Rock had some information on most of those you had listed. You > might be able to find some information on Delerium's Web site (I have to > check it again, there were a few releases that sounded interesting that > should be out by now). Thanx !! I'll be checking this out!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, jean l delacour wrote: > Just say something Pro-Bck & Eric and watch your replys be answered!! > They will always rule. If no-one likes it, "care factor zero, and falling". I like tBS too, so don't think I am being partisan. (Dave Brock will always rule, but I love Nik too!!). May BOC (okay , just for you guys- 3OC) live long and prosper!! May the Hawks always rule! Troy obCD- CLUB NINJA!!!!! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jan 28 08:00:21 1997 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:00:21 +0000 Subject: HW: A dream I had... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, QUEST wrote: > I just realized that I had a dream recently that pertains to this list: > > I dreamt that I got a HW album from around early 1984 that - in the dream > - was rather common. I therefore wondered, "Gee, why didn't I see this > before?" When I listened to it, I was surprised to discover YET ANOTHER > studio version of "Sonic Attack". Ackk! Anyhoo, this version was kind of > heavily metallic, as opposed to the earlier ones. If I'm remembering my > dream right, then the lyrics were also sung instead of spoken over the > music. > > Weird, huh? > > Maybe I was subconsciously thinking about that imaginary HW album that > never came out. You had obviously found a copy of `Caution'... Jazza /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | =====================================================================| | "There's nothin' more dangerous than a wounded mosquito." | \______________________________________________________________________/ From desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jan 28 09:43:52 1997 From: desdinova at HOTMAIL.COM (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:43:52 -0000 Subject: OFF: Thanx to a neat person Message-ID: I couldn't figure out the sequence of messages - I seem to receive mails from this list in a scrambeld sequence sometimes - but people were talking/asking about these and some others > >{Can} - Progressive Rock (German, I think?) If you want to know about Can & other 70s German bands like this, try the book "Krautrocksampler" by Julian Cope (yes THAT Julian Cope from Teardrops explodes & sundry solo madness) as a starting point. I think "Progressive Rock" is not a very appropriate description. These guys were wild improvisers, and their albums were sometimes edited together (the old fashioned way, with razor blades) from hours of Jamming at their InnNerSpace studios ( in a castle - the Schloss Norvenich). Two (I think) of them were students of Karlheinz Stockhausen. The first 6 or so albums are the best: I personally recommend Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, Soon Over Babaluma & Future Days; these four map a transition from full on weirdness to a kind of spaced out (almost) dance-music that anticipates trip-hop by about 20 years - one of the BEST bands ever, completely unclassifiable. > >{Gong} - should be readily available on CD from most good record >stores. But beware, their recordings extend over as many years as >Hawkwind with an equal number of personnel changes Early stuff very stoned & silly, lotsof stuff about cheese (cf. Camembert Electrique), flying teapots, gnomes, played in a kind of strange jazzy electronic style: utterly mad (their performance at Repton School (old-fashioned english boarding-school) was hilarious). After the departures of founder Daevid Allen (ex Soft Machine) and Steve Hillage they moved in the direction of high-energy fusion (Allan Holdsworth on gtr for a while!). Allen kept up the pot-head pixie stuff with Mother Gong and other bands. > >{Soma} Australian electronica originally recording for Extreme recently moved on. You may find their discs in strange places, try under dance (seriously), ambient or Trip-Hop. There is a magazine called The Wire, which started off as a Jazz/Contemporary classical magazine, but which now covers an incredibly eclectic mix of musics, and they have had articles on Can & Soma. The Julian Cope book grew out of a commission to write an article for them. Mail me direct if you want more info, or contact them direct via the_wire at ukonline.co.uk. That's enough of that. TTFN< Chris Warburton's Personal Mailbox "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine" -R.E.M. My Home page: http://members.tripod.com/~Meliadus/index.htm I am a Patternwalker - http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jan 28 11:17:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:17:00 -0600 Subject: Theo is naughty /John is Shy Message-ID: Theo>Esp. now that EB has devloped this seemingly psycho-somatic inability to sing anymore. Is this condition a subconscious attempt to sabotage the new record so he won't have to face a possible disaster?- Naughty boy Theo. 8^). Blooms problems seem to go deeper than that. About a year ago didn+t someone post a strange message from Bolle about one of the members not being in control of his life? The general assumption was he may have been referring to Alan. Perhaps this was about Bloom instead. No matter what+s happened in the past and how many times we have chastised EB about the new album, I hope whatever ails him is taken care of soon. Frankly I find it sad to see him this way. For him and his family "good health to you"- "As far as bassplayers gettin' all the chicks, probably only Paul McCartney and Gene Simmons . . . But hey, at least my wife will still have me (in spite of my bass playing!) John-" What gives John your wife a lurker on BOC-L? 8^). Bass player do get the chicks because they are usually the kewlest acting guys on stage. Leadmen pose, guitarist gyrate and drummers are rarely seen. Meanwhile bass players just sit there and crank it up. Now lets get Albert to tell the truth...back in the day which member of the band pulled the most chicks? C+mon Al you can tell us. My guess is Joe was "Da Man". "After hearing this, I have decided not to go see them until his voice is back in shape. Last summer I forked out $25 bucks to see BOC at a "Classic Rock Fest". They played 5 songs total. I can't see myself paying for anymore subpar performances. Joseph M-" Can+t say I blame you at all Joseph. They seemed to get a better shake at a festival in Columbia MD last year, they came on next to last and played most of their standard set. I skipped this show because of the one you mentioned. Was not concerned with BOC being lame, rather I didn+t want to see them get treated so shabbily and no one else on the festival ticket interested me. A club with a nice sound system is the best venue for the Oysters. C+mon with the details Al, were waiting. lil ab Y&T is on the web ---------> http://pwi.netcom.com/~neko1/yandt.html ********************************************************** I've stood on the mountain and drank from the fountain and poured it all out on the floor. Turned my back to the glory and walked the tenth story and come back to knock on your door. On...my life going by .... my life going on ... my life going by. ********************************************************** From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Tue Jan 28 13:13:39 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:13:39 E Subject: HW: LIS VIDEO Message-ID: Escape to trancyberia is a hour long computer animation w/ improv techno/ ambient music, the basic plot is this animated guy searching thru cyberspace for his girlfriend... bryan From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Jan 28 16:43:53 1997 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:43:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary Message-ID: I was just checking CDnow and saw that Sky Cries Mary has a CD scheduled for release on Feb 25th called (I think, I forgot already) _Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves_ Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 29 09:06:48 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:06:48 +1000 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Is anybody out there? Sorry folks ... empty BOC-L folders worry me ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Jan 29 10:26:03 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:03 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated Message-ID: I put the rudiments of the history section up on my Golden Void web page. There is a timeline, a family table (like a family tree, only different), and a list of who has been in the band and what instruments they played. Please take a look at the new stuff (the "Days of the Underground" section) and help me fill in the gaps and make any corrections. The timeline is especially lacking for the past five or ten years. To get directly to the history page, use: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/history/ I also added a few more stats to the gig list page. You can go straight to the new stats info at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/gigs/stats.html The Golden Void main page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Code so clean you can eat off it. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Jan 29 10:31:16 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:31:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: >Is anybody out there? Hey Paul. I'm here and funnily enough I was listening to Pink Floyd last night ;-) >Sorry folks ... empty BOC-L folders worry me ;^) > >Paul Yep, scary isn't it. I usually have ~60 new messages of a morning but today only four. I see from the header that its already Thursday in Australia. Its still Wedenesady morning here Cheers Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jan 29 11:27:29 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:27:29 -0500 Subject: Deb Frost on TV Message-ID: The following might be of interest to Brain Surgeons fans, or anyone else who might want to see a (former) BOC-Ler on TV: DFrost joins multi-platinum producer Sean "Puff Daddy" Combes, current Top Ten artist Lil' Kim and Yo' MTV Raps star Ed Lover on the ROLONDA show Monday, 2/3. Check your local station for listing. John From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Jan 29 14:50:47 1997 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:50:47 EST Subject: Deb Frost on TV Message-ID: Any idea what the topic is? The evils of rock and rap and their devistating effects on today's youth, perhaps ;) Brian >The following might be of interest to Brain Surgeons fans, or anyone >else who might want to see a (former) BOC-Ler on TV: > >DFrost joins multi-platinum producer Sean "Puff Daddy" Combes, current Top >Ten artist Lil' Kim and Yo' MTV Raps star Ed Lover on the ROLONDA show >Monday, 2/3. Check your local station for listing. > > >John From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Wed Jan 29 14:54:52 1997 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:54:52 E Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: My feelings exactly, yesterday there was over 60 messages, today 4 two of them being Re:OFF:test. Did anyone figure out about the video I was talking about "Escape from Trancyberia"??? peace, bryan From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Jan 29 18:41:13 1997 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:41:13 -0500 Subject: What should I get here? Message-ID: Hello-- I'm currently in Colorado (Denver) on vacation, where the record stores don't suck like they do in Richmond, and I'm wondering what Hawkwind related solo albums I should look for. I finally managed to get Love in Space. Initially, I had a copy with two disc twos. I took it back, and discovered that they (Twist and Shout--an AWESOME CD store) had two more copies with the same problem. Luckily, they did have one which was "normal". They also had a couple new Hawkwind LPs (including LiS). I'd deeply appreciate any and all recommendations. Guido obCDplayer--Desire by Toyah Wilcox. -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 29 14:59:11 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:59:11 -0000 Subject: What should I get here? Message-ID: > Hello-- > > I'm currently in Colorado (Denver) on vacation, where the record > stores don't suck like they do in Richmond, and I'm wondering what Hawkwind > related solo albums I should look for. I finally managed to get Love in > Space. Initially, I had a copy with two disc twos. I took it back, and > discovered that they (Twist and Shout--an AWESOME CD store) had two more > copies with the same problem. Luckily, they did have one which was "normal". > They also had a couple new Hawkwind LPs (including LiS). > > I'd deeply appreciate any and all recommendations. > alan davey's album captured rotation is of course recommended. if you see dave brock and the agents of chaos,get it. rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 29 21:13:37 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:13:37 +1000 Subject: What should I get here? In-Reply-To: <199701300103.UAA02387@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 97 at 19:59, RJ wrote: > alan davey's album captured rotation is of course recommended. I second, third and fourth that! > if you see dave brock and the agents of chaos,get it. rj Yeah - and if you don't like it when you get it ... I'll buy it off you ;^) Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jan 29 20:23:04 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:23:04 EST Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? Message-ID: Hey, I'm new to BOC-L, but not new to Hawkwind. My first question: Is it okay to talk about trading HW and HW-related tapes here? Also, are there any HW fans in the Detroit or Michigan area? I'm interested in getting involved with the Hawk's supposed show here in June. From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Wed Jan 29 20:35:35 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:35:35 GMT Subject: HW: tapes and things Message-ID: Hi I'm fairly new to this page (couple of weeks) but peole have talked about tapes and things so I assume it's fine. I don't live in America but when ahwkwind tour here in the autum I hope to go and see them for the first time. Tim From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 29 21:36:44 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:36:44 +1000 Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? In-Reply-To: <19970129.202602.2990.1.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 97 at 20:23, Ian R Fines wrote: > Hey, Hey! > I'm new to BOC-L, but not new to Hawkwind. Welcome (to th future?) > My first question: Is it okay to talk about trading HW and > HW-related tapes here? You obviously haven't read the BOC-L archives ..... of course it is! > Also, are there any HW fans in the Detroit or Michigan area? I'm > interested in getting involved with the Hawk's supposed show here > in June. Do you have Jim Lasko's email address? He's looking after everyone organsing venues in the states. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jan 29 21:55:06 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:55:06 +1000 Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On 29 Jan 97 at 20:23, Ian R Fines wrote: > > Also, are there any HW fans in the Detroit or Michigan area? I'm > > interested in getting involved with the Hawk's supposed show here > > in June. On 30 Jan 97 at 12:36, Paul G Ward wrote: > Do you have Jim Lasko's email address? He's looking after everyone > organsing venues in the states. Ian, I tried to mail you privately, but the message bounced! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jan 29 23:13:45 1997 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:13:45 EST Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 12:36:44 +1000 Paul G Ward writes: >On 29 Jan 97 at 20:23, Ian R Fines wrote: > >> Hey, > >Hey! > >> I'm new to BOC-L, but not new to Hawkwind. > >Welcome (to th future?) > >> My first question: Is it okay to talk about trading HW and >> HW-related tapes here? > >You obviously haven't read the BOC-L archives ..... of course it is! Well then, does anyone want to trade? >> Also, are there any HW fans in the Detroit or Michigan area? I'm >> interested in getting involved with the Hawk's supposed show here >> in June. > >Do you have Jim Lasko's email address? He's looking after everyone >organsing venues in the states. > >Paul > >-- no...yet I did fill out a form at www.hawkwind.com, but not sure if it worked. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 30 00:37:18 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:37:18 +1000 Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? In-Reply-To: <19970129.231615.3014.0.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 97 at 23:13, Ian R Fines wrote: > >Do you have Jim Lasko's email address? He's looking after everyone > >organsing venues in the states. > > > no...yet I did fill out a form at www.hawkwind.com, but not sure if it > worked. Jim told me a few hours ago that he has your details. Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Thu Jan 30 00:27:25 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:27:25 -0800 Subject: BOC: Northwest Tour Message-ID: Hi all! I've recently returned from a 4 shows in 4 nights tour with the band and thought I would share some highlights. Well, highlights in my opinion anyway:) First off, some talk here has been about Erics voice. While I would agree that the set list was dominated with Bucks vocals, it seemed that when Eric did sing, his voice sounded fine to me. We talked at some length after the Springfield show and no signs of voice problems during that discussion either, even though post-concert disco music was playing and we had to almost shout to be heard. It could be he is just trying to take it a little more careful after the problems of last year. For those of us that attend many shows, the set list is always going to be, "I wish they had played this or that". Myself, I can think of many, many songs I would rather here than the big three, however I do understand that the majority of the fans attending want to here those. My favorite additions to this years performances as compared to last years, was Bucks Boogie, The Vigil, Shooting Shark and Golden Age of Leather. Also, a solo by Buck now precedes The Reaper and Allen did a short blues instrumental prior to In Thee. For those that haven't been to a show in the last couple of years, Buck does a great fast paced solo during Last Days of May that kicks ass! Even has the headbangers banging:) And Danny's bass solo on Godzilla seems to get funkier every performance. Well, after 1600 miles traveling 2 states, I am pretty much wore out. I will be traveling to Tacoma on Saturday for one last show. I'll let y'all know of any worthwhile news:) Jack From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Jan 30 01:04:13 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:04:13 -0700 Subject: BOC: Inconceivable Message-ID: > First off, some talk here has been about Erics voice. While I would > agree that the set list was dominated with Bucks vocals, it seemed that > when Eric did sing, his voice sounded fine to me. Huh? Is this a post from last year? I can only speak from the show I saw, and he couldn't sing and could barely talk. Has anybody else here seen a show within the last 3 months where Eric sang worth a shit? Jack, I think it's time to see a doctor about your hearing and you can forget about Dr. Music. He hasn't been around since last Summer (the last time we heard him sing This Ain't the Summer of Love). Brad Dahl http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 29 21:30:48 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:30:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Any Michigan fans? Message-ID: > >Do you have Jim Lasko's email address? He's looking after everyone > >organsing venues in the states. jim lasko- jmfinity at harborcom.net rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Jan 29 21:33:21 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:33:21 -0000 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: > > Hi > > I'm fairly new to this page (couple of weeks) but peole have talked about > tapes and things so I assume it's fine. I don't live in America but when > ahwkwind tour here in the autum I hope to go and see them for the first time. > > Tim i'd say its cool to talk about this stuff, but i wouldn't go naming secret sources and all that. its just common sense not to bite the hand that feeds ya.... rj From 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK Thu Jan 30 05:13:37 1997 From: 96163497 at BROOKES.AC.UK (langner timothy) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:13:37 GMT Subject: HW: tapes and things Message-ID: Hi Do you mena naming the people who taped the concerts? Because I havn't a clue (unless I taped any and I havn't, yet) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jan 30 07:01:24 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:01:24 +1000 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: <9701290926.ZM15304@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On 29 Jan 97 at 9:26, Frank Weil wrote: > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/history/ Frank .. the "timeline" is way Kewl! Keep up the great work! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jan 30 09:57:10 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:57:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Northwest Tour Message-ID: Jack writes: >For those of us that attend many shows, the set list is always going to be, "I wish they had played this or that". Myself, I can think of many, many songs I would rather here than the big three, however I do understand that the majority of the fans attending want to here those. Good point. I will never complain about the fact the BOC will probably ALWAYS play "the big 3" at every show - I think one should expect an act to play their most popular (commercial) successes live. And while we all have our favorites we wisht the band would play, my problem is not really with WHAT they play - but the fact that it has been the SAME for years. I want to hear variety from one BOC show to the next - no, not every gig be different, but if I see 'em in 1995 and in 1996, then I would hope the setlist has changed a bit between those times. But, it is good to see recently a few other songs (Vigil, Shooting Shark, Golden Age, Lips in the Hills - at least until Eric's problems presumably worsened) find their way into the set. I wish it wasn't so much due to Eric's voice, but it is a treat for the core fans to get something different. And while it isn't the same, who can really complain about having more of someone like Buck? Back to my previous point - other than "the big 3" and maybe "Cities on Flame", BOC could play ANY of their other tunes instead of the same ones that they've done for years, and I doubt anyone would complain. While they are great tunes, would anyone's BOC concert experience these days be ruined if they didn't play ETI, Before the Kiss, Dr. Music, Stairway to the Stars, Joan Crawford, ME-262, . . . (I know, some have disappeared from recent sets due mostly to Eric's voice, I think) as long as they replaced them with some other BOC song that hasn't been done in years? I mean, what if instead of the above, they did R U Ready 2 Rock, Teen Archer, Dominance and Submission (well, ok, this is often in current sets), Workshop of the Telescopes, 7 Screaming Dizbusters, and Dancin' in the Ruins instead? First of all, people who only know BOC from "the big 3" wouldn't know the difference, fans who remember them from the 70s would still suddenly be taken down memory lane, and all the diehards who've been coming to shows over the last 10 years would go "hey, COOL!!". Just my $0.02, and then some... John From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Jan 30 05:57:09 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:57:09 -0000 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: > Hi > > Do you mena naming the people who taped the concerts? > Because I havn't a clue (unless I taped any and I havn't, yet) well, everyone knows that live tapes of hawkwind (like bootlegs) are created spontaneously by forces beyond the ken of mortal man.of course you have no clue. we would all worry for you if you did. ;) rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jan 30 10:21:13 1997 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:21:13 EDT Subject: BOC: Northwest Tour Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Jack writes: > > >For those of us that attend many shows, the set list is always going to > be, "I wish they had played this or that". Myself, I can think of many, > many songs I would rather here than the big three, however I do > understand that the majority of the fans attending want to here those. > > > Good point. I will never complain about the fact the BOC will probably > ALWAYS play "the big 3" at every show - I think one should expect an > act to play their most popular (commercial) successes live. And while > we all have our favorites we wisht the band would play, my problem is > not really with WHAT they play - but the fact that it has been the SAME > for years. I want to hear variety from one BOC show to the next - no, > not every gig be different, but if I see 'em in 1995 and in 1996, then > I would hope the setlist has changed a bit between those times. > Sure enough. I doubt anyone would bellyache over the big 3 if they got some rarely played live stuff in the bargain. Hell, I'd trade BFY [the only one of the big 3 I can't stand] anyday for a Quicklime Girl... > But, it is good to see recently a few other songs (Vigil, Shooting Shark, > Golden Age, Lips in the Hills - at least until Eric's problems presumably Yeah, Golden Age is a real treat. I saw that a couple of times circa Spectres, but that's been it. When did it begin to reappear? > worsened) find their way into the set. I wish it wasn't so much due to > Eric's voice, but it is a treat for the core fans to get something > different. And while it isn't the same, who can really complain about > having more of someone like Buck? > Esp. the new songs. They really were a treat for me last month. First, 'cause it was the first I'd heard them in person, and also because they were a breath of fresh air, and 'cause they're great songs. MORE NEW STUFF PLEASE at the concerts. Trust your old fans... > Back to my previous point - other than "the big 3" and maybe "Cities on > Flame", BOC could play ANY of their other tunes instead of the same ones > that they've done for years, and I doubt anyone would complain. While > they are great tunes, would anyone's BOC concert experience these days > be ruined if they didn't play ETI, Before the Kiss, Dr. Music, Stairway > to the Stars, Joan Crawford, ME-262, . . . (I know, some have disappeared Stairway is probably my fave BOC tune, but they didn't always play it even in the old days. RUR and DR. Music occasionally were the opening tunes, and don't do it for me much. But no, the gig wouldn't be ruined if they dropped Stairway and added a couple of seldom played tunes. Funny, cause for all the times I saw them in the old days, they never did Before the Kiss all that much, only a few times at gigs I saw. Just a coincidence, I guess... Hey, and look at the bright side: they seem to have dropped BTBW, which is fine by me, as I have to listen to myself play it a few times a week anyway, and I hate to embarrass BD too much [haw haw haw] > from recent sets due mostly to Eric's voice, I think) as long as they > replaced them with some other BOC song that hasn't been done in years? > I mean, what if instead of the above, they did R U Ready 2 Rock, Teen > Archer, Dominance and Submission (well, ok, this is often in current sets), Didn't they do Teen Archer for a while last year? I've never heard it live. That would be something. In fact I've never heard any of side 2 of T&M live... > Workshop of the Telescopes, 7 Screaming Dizbusters, and Dancin' in the > Ruins instead? First of all, people who only know BOC from "the big 3" > wouldn't know the difference, fans who remember them from the 70s would > still suddenly be taken down memory lane, and all the diehards who've > been coming to shows over the last 10 years would go "hey, COOL!!". > Yes! Yes! Yes! The big-3ers wouldn't care at all... theo > Just my $0.02, and then some... > John > From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jan 30 12:34:15 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:34:15 -0700 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: RJ wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Do you mena naming the people who taped the concerts? > > Because I havn't a clue (unless I taped any and I havn't, yet) > > well, everyone knows that live tapes of hawkwind (like bootlegs) are > created spontaneously > by forces beyond the ken of mortal man.of course you have no clue. we would > all worry for you if you did. > ;) rj These are the same as live Rush tapes-they create themselves spontaniously at all Rush shows. To recieve them you hafta get into the Golden void to retrieve them and all live Hawkwind as well!! :) :) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton > > well, everyone knows that live tapes of hawkwind (like bootlegs) are > > created spontaneously > > by forces beyond the ken of mortal man.of course you have no clue. we would > > all worry for you if you did. > > ;) rj > These are the same as live Rush tapes-they create themselves > spontaniously at all Rush shows. To recieve them you hafta get into the > Golden void to retrieve them and all live Hawkwind as well!! :) :) > Pam > -- Well, Pam, thanks a lot for solving a mystery that has plagued me for many years! I figured that there had to be some magical or otherwise nefarious forces at work to explain the hellish racket that passes for vocals at Rush gigs. I knew those sounds couldn't be the result of human endeavor. I almost got busted for cruelty to animals when I had to restrain my dog from jumping out of a speeding car when Rush came over the radio. I told the cop that I wasn't sure what the lesser of 2 evils was: letting my bitch splatter herself over the pavement or force her to listen to that 'singing.' The cop figured it for a push and let me slide... theo From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jan 30 14:42:36 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:42:36 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: <199701231715.JAA24122@whorfin.graham.com> from "Mike Fuller" at Jan 23, 97 09:15:28 am Message-ID: Mike Fuller writes: > > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:18:04 +0000, dench > >>>>> said: > > Martin> What would be really worthwhile, and it does happen, I know, > Martin> would be to hear predominantly loud, electric bands perform > Martin> their predominantly loud, electric songs completely > Martin> acoustically, with no supporting musicians. Interesting > Martin> choices, to my mind, would be Band of Susans, Prong, The Cult, > Martin> Lydia Lunch and Rowland S Howard, and, of course, BOC performing > Martin> some of their older material. > > Whenever I think about this topic, just three words come to mind: > > Bolt Thrower Unplugged > > And, of course, it's all Steve's fault. ;-) > I can't believe somebody actually remembered this. ;-) (it would be right up there with "Symphonic music of Cannibal Corpse".) Steve swann at panix.com From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu Jan 30 14:44:54 1997 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:44:54 +0100 Subject: Calvert & Hendrix Message-ID: hello there, some news on the calvert site: an illustrated page of Calvert's ode to the man who "tryly sang the body electric": "Voodoo Child - in memory of Jimi Hendrix" http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/voodoo.htm another page including two reviews of Calvert's stageplay on Hendrix - http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/samrev.htm please make sure to watch these pages with all images and complete background pic - VOODOO CHILD also includes a sound-file of Calvert reading the poem. - and, as always: feedback is always welcome. knut gerwers transmedia 10. VideoFest c/o Podewil Klosterstr. 68-70 D - 10179 Berlin tel: (*49) *30 - 24749 850 (preliminary) tel: (49) *30 - 24 72 19 07 (from 15/2/97 on) fax: (*49) *30 - 24749 700 (preliminary) fax: (*49) *30 - 24 72 19 09 (from 15/2/97 on) http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ email: videofest at mediopolis.de From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jan 30 14:52:53 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:52:53 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 23, 97 08:07:47 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Hopefully this means more kids will go to shows and a new > > generation of arena-rock bands will flourish. > > I personally vote for an increased number of quality club-venue > bands. I like small venue shows much better than arena shows :) But > the more people that go and see live music, the better the world will > be. Yeah, living in Boston made me that way, too. The most fun shows are always in small venues. Like when I used to go to "The Rat" and see 5 bands for $7. So what if three of them sucked, that was part of the experience. ;-) > As for "Unplugged" ... I'm with Animal, as heard on the _Kermit > Unplugged_ album: "Plug in! PLUG IN!!" :) Carl, have you ever listened to Big Black? Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Jan 30 15:05:56 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:05:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Various thoughts of the day In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Jan 23, 97 10:00:26 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > BOCFAQMAN wrote: > > >(mostly to deal with criticism), or something to that effect. Finally, > >I don't support the idea of telling people certain topics are "off-limits". > > Neither do I. > > What I've been trying to imply both on aol, boc-l and to DR himself for the > past 4 years is that I think it would be better for Don to get a new band. > Lord knows, he has the talent of a half dozen other fine musicians put > together. It might not be better for aol or boc-l or BOC but it would be > better for Don. I'm certain it's what he really wants but Schenck, who's a > more negative person than any post on boc-l ever, has convinced him that > it'd be a bad move. > > but uh, no, I don't wanna be in Don's band. I don't think we really need > each other musically any more. Of course, I can only speak for myself. Maybe Don would like to be in your band? :-) You guys (and bro Joe) are among the great songwriters in the history of rock-n-roll, it's too bad you don't work together anymore. Not because any of you needs it, but because the combined efforts of the three of you produced a large portion of my favorite music, ever. Steve swann at panix.com From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Thu Jan 30 15:33:30 1997 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 15:33:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Any Indiana fans? Message-ID: You know, someone asked earlier if there were any Michigan fans at BOC-L. Being from Indiana, I decided to squander bandwith and ask if there are any people here from the Hoosier state as well. I would also like to try to set the Hawks up with a show around here, but the town I currently live in has no venues of any sort. It would have to be a rented hall or an outdoor event type of thing, if Hawkwind would be interested. I could also probably try to set something up in Indianapolis (where there are clubs), but I don't know how many people would turn out for a Hawkwind show in this state. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Jan 30 16:12:34 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:12:34 -0700 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton > > > > well, everyone knows that live tapes of hawkwind (like bootlegs) are > > > created spontaneously > > > by forces beyond the ken of mortal man.of course you have no clue. we would > > > all worry for you if you did. > > > ;) rj > > These are the same as live Rush tapes-they create themselves > > spontaniously at all Rush shows. To recieve them you hafta get into the > > Golden void to retrieve them and all live Hawkwind as well!! :) :) > > Pam > > -- > Well, Pam, thanks a lot for solving a mystery that has plagued me for > many years! I figured that there had to be some magical or otherwise > nefarious forces at work to explain the hellish racket that passes > for vocals at Rush gigs. I knew those sounds couldn't be the result > of human endeavor. I almost got busted for cruelty to animals when > I had to restrain my dog from jumping out of a speeding car when Rush > came over the radio. I told the cop that I wasn't sure what the > lesser of 2 evils was: letting my bitch splatter herself over the > pavement or force her to listen to that 'singing.' The cop figured > it for a push and let me slide... > theo ...I take it you don't care for Rush:) Oh well, to each their own:) I realy like them!! But it was a neat way to put it!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace I stopped by the "Golden Void" the other day. I was very impressed! Keep up the good work. When it's all done It look to be a killer site. Keep the Nethawks flying, bryan From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Jan 30 16:25:40 1997 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:25:40 -0700 Subject: Inconceivable Message-ID: >> First off, some talk here has been about Erics voice. While I would >> agree that the set list was dominated with Bucks vocals, it seemed that >> when Eric did sing, his voice sounded fine to me. >Huh? Is this a post from last year? I can only speak from the show I saw, >and he couldn't sing and could barely talk. Has anybody else here seen a >show within the last 3 months where Eric sang worth a shit? >Jack, I think it's time to see a doctor about your hearing and you can >forget about Dr. Music. He hasn't been around since last Summer (the last >time we heard him sing This Ain't the Summer of Love). >Brad Dahl >http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html I'll second that. I saw BOC last week and also one year ago. There was no comparison between the two shows in terms of Eric's voice. The first concert included Dr. Music, Dominance and Submission, and See You in Black. I don't think Eric could have done those songs this time if he tried... Aaron Crandall deadline at cyberhighway.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1937 bytes Desc: not available URL: From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Jan 30 17:25:36 1997 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:25:36 -0600 Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: Bryan Pitkin "Re: HW: Golden Void page updated" (Jan 30, 4:35pm) Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > I stopped by the "Golden Void" the other day. I was very impressed! > Keep up the good work. When it's all done It look to be a killer site. Thank you! I updated the site with more information: I added the "Albums" section with a list of tracks, the Weird tapes, chart positions, our boc-l polls, lists of album extras, and a few liner notes. This page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/albums/ I also added the Friends & Relations section, but all I have there right now is a blurb on Michael Moorcock. This page is at: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/friends/ The main Golden Void home page URL is: http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html Suggestions and corrections are always welcome. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 A church spire nestling among the trees... there's probably a church there too. -- Richie Benaud, BBC2 TV From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Thu Jan 30 19:01:53 1997 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:01:53 -0800 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: <19970130194236.3569.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:42:36 -0500, Stephen Swann >>>>> said: >> Whenever I think about this topic, just three words come to mind: >> >> Bolt Thrower Unplugged >> >> And, of course, it's all Steve's fault. ;-) Steve> I can't believe somebody actually remembered this. ;-) Remembered it? Heck, I'm still ROTFL whenever I think about it! In fact, when I wrote the e-mail, I started laughing to myself and was then unable to explain to my officemates what was so funny. -- Mike From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Jan 30 21:06:37 1997 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 02:06:37 GMT Subject: HW: Golden Void page updated In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:25:36 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > I stopped by the "Golden Void" the other day. I was very impressed! > > Keep up the good work. When it's all done It look to be a killer site. > > Thank you! I updated the site with more information: yeah - seconded. Excellent site. I note you haven't included Jerry Richards, I think? This could be relevant now that Alan Davey is going part time. Also Salt Tank was present at one of the London gigs a couple of years back. Can't remember who he was now but the extra keyboards really filled out the sound of the band at the time and I think there was a strong Hawkwind connection there for a year or so. jill obSignificantPlacesInYourLife> Railway Stations ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Fri Jan 31 00:34:26 1997 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: BOC: Setlist Message-ID: I agree with John. I'd like to see some different songs make their way into the setlist. I paid special attention to the crowd when they played the Vigil and Shooting Shark and there was plenty of applause for each of them (of course the wackos next to me that kept slugging me with their spazo dancing really slowed down for these songs, which was nice). I think they have nothing to loose by playing the songs that the die hard fan doesn't know (I think Live for Me got the coldest reception of the night, but hey, nobody was booing). The sad thing is that any new songs added to the set will have to be sung by Buck, so that limits the possibilities a bit. This last show was the first after 3 straight here that they played Teen Archer. Perfect Water and Dancin' in the Ruins are two strong possibilties. Come on, even you guys who don't think CN kicks ass could probably dig hearing them perform these. How about giving Danny a shot at singing a song? He seems to be like a real member of the band now. How about Mr. Lanier? He sang the hell out of the Godzilla chorus. How about something from Flat Out? Actually I'd be happy if the band stabilized and played like I know they can. Here's to hoping for a bright BOC future! Brad Dahl http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Fri Jan 31 02:01:40 1997 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (Herb Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:01:40 -0800 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! Message-ID: ---------- > From: MR DEVON J BERUBE > To: chuck at genesisnetwork.net > Subject: Tapes's in the mail! > Date: Thursday, January 30, 1997 9:55 PM > > This is something a non-BOC-L friend of mine forwarded. If everyone's already read it, sorry... > -------------------------------------------------- > Live Reviews: Nik Turner > by Mitch Goldman > NIK TURNER'S SPACE RITUAL--VARIETY PLAYHOUSE, ATLANTA, GA 7/11/95 > When Dave Brock formed the British progressive-rock outfit > Hawkwind in 1969, it's doubtful he envisioned a career spanning two > and a half decades. But 25 years after their eponymous debut album, > Brock is still going strong with a new crew of Hawk-musicians. As > further testiment to the staying power of this music, ex-Hawkwind > singer/songwriter/flute-and-sax-player Nik Turner is currently > touring the US with his second version of Space Ritual, a Hawkwind > tribute that includes many HW classics as well as some of Nik's solo > material. > Hawkwind's debut album in 1970 did little to hint at things to > come; it's folky feel belies the spacey, bottom heavy jamming that > came to full fruition on their sophomore effort IN SEARCH OF SPACE > (1971). Hawkwind's synthesizer jams combined with a heavy approach to > the bass and drums (HW's bassist in this era was Lemmy Kilmister, who > went on to form the seminal heavy metal band Motorhead); imagine Pink > Floyd and Grand Funk Railroad locked in a room together, and you'll > get some idea of HW's sound. Their third album DOREMI FASO LATIDO > (1972) represents the peak > of classic HW and contains Nik's most famous HW composition > "Brainstorm". DOREMI was followed by the double live lp SPACE RITUAL > (1973, and one of the first double live albums of the 70's). The > final two albums of the classic HW lineup followed...HALL OF THE > MOUNTAIN GRILL (1974) and their finest moment, WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF > TIME (1975). After WARRIOR, Lemmy was thrown out of the band, and Nik > only survived the lineup for one more release, 1976's ASTOUNDING > SOUNDS, AMAZING MUSIC. Brock fired most of the HW personnel and moved > on with a new sound and new members. Nik came back to HW in 1981, > only to be fired again by Brock in 84. After several side projects > and solo lp's, Nik gathered some key ex-HW members early last year > for his "Hawkwind Experience" which this year is called NIK TURNER'S > SPACE > RITUAL. Nik's outfit is backed by ex-HW members Alan Powell on drums > and Del Dittmar on synths and axe handle (Del plays an axe hooked up > to 70's synths...by pressing on the handle much the way you'd fret a > guitar, Del is mysteriously able to generate spacy synth tones). > Simon House, ex-keyboard player of HW, was supposed to be a part of > Nik's band and open the show with his own band Spiral Realms, but > visa problems have kept Simon out of the country for most of this > tour. Also performing > in Nik's Space Ritual are members of the prog band Pressurhed > (including a second drummer, a bassist, and two guitarists). In place > of Spiral Realms, Del Dittmar performed a 20 minute opening set. > After improvising > synthesizer soundscapes and dealing with mulitple equipment problems, > Del gave it up and shouted into Nik's mike "don't waste your stuff on > electronic shit!" gesturing at his 70's synth set up (Del came out of > a 20 year reclusive retirement last year to join Nik's tour...he > hasn't updated a single aspect of his keyboard setup since 1974!). > Nik and company took the stage at 9:45 and tore through two > hours of Hawkwind classics, some Pressurhed material, and one new > song. A white screen behind the band was used to project films and > lights which, conceptually, matched the lyrical content of the songs > quite nicely (films of the ocean during "Dying Seas", etc). Nik took > the stage dressed in a white suit that resembled a spacesuit; the > space helmet he removed during the first tune certainly lended > credence to that resemblance. Nik also had painted his face with > silver metallic paint; though he seemed to be enjoying himself, > there's something a little awkward about a 50 year old musician being > that > theatrical, especially in front of the paltry crowd of 120 of so > rabid HW fans (the Variety Playhouse is WAY too big for this show!). > The band had no problem getting into the spacy groove of classic HW; > the guitarists were excellent, the twin drummers were reminiscent of > the loose-yet-syncopated feel of original Mothers of Invention > drummers Art Tripp and Jimmy Carl Black; and of course, Nik's flute > and sax playing was brilliant and expressive throughout the set. > Show hightlights included the HW classics "Kadu Flyer", "Spiral > Galaxy", "Opa;-Loka", and "High Rise" for which Nik left the stage. > The expected show closers "Brainstorm" "Silver Machine" and "You > Shouldn't Do That" achieved that classic rush (or the > "whooooooooossssshhhh" as some call it) of early 70's Hawkwind. It's > interesting to compare Nik's "You Shouldn't Do That" to the version > that Brock's Hawkwind played on their recent tour. While HW pay only > token obeisance to the tune, playing it for three minutes, Nik's > outfit extend the jam to a full fifteen minutes, similar to the > studio version on IN SEARCH OF SPACE. "Do That" is probably the > quintessential HW space-rock > tune; also the best example of space-rock by ANY band (not surprising, > since HW pretty much single-handedly invented and sustaing the > genre). > Despite the small crowd, Nik and co. played an excellent show > that brilliantly evoked the feeling of progressive rock from the 70's > while still somehow sounding current. While seeing Brock's Hawkwind > feels like a more authentic, well-rounded experience, any fan of Nik > or Hawkwind will not be disappointed by Nik's Space Ritual. Yeah, > it's nostalgia, but it's fun... > SETLIST (9:45-11:47:) > Dream Worker > Watching The Grass Grow > Kadu Flyer > Master of the Universe > Spiral Galaxy > Lord of the Hornets > some Paul Fox tune???? > Anubis Nights > Opa-Loka > Dying Seas > High Rise > Thoth > Countdown/Ejection > Pressurhed tune???? > Orgone Accumulator > 10 Seconds of Forever > Brainstorm > ENCORES: > > Silver Machine > You Shouldn't Do That > > > Copyright ? 1995 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > There you have it! Remind me to send you the address for the HW > "Blanga" guide, if you haven't already seen it. > Talk later, > Devon From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jan 31 02:36:20 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:36:20 -0700 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! Message-ID: Herb Rosenberg wrote: > > ---------- > > From: MR DEVON J BERUBE > > NIK TURNER'S SPACE RITUAL--VARIETY PLAYHOUSE, ATLANTA, GA 7/11/95 Wow! I just saw this in the store today too!! The cover read Space Ritual-Nik Turner!~! I better go snag this one soon-on CD-$12.00!! I did snag "Live Chronicles" though!!!:) A question-anyone ever had any problem with Visionary? I'm trying to get them to answer me on whether or not I can SAFELY do a credit card order through them.Are their shipping times ok? I'm trying to ordr the VCD "Chronicle of the Black Sword", but won't unless I get some info before-also anyone know if they take "First Virtual"??? Thanx for any help in advance!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace from "Stephen Swann" at Jan 30, 97 02:52:53 pm Message-ID: > > As for "Unplugged" ... I'm with Animal, as heard on the _Kermit > > Unplugged_ album: "Plug in! PLUG IN!!" :) > > Carl, have you ever listened to Big Black? Er, no. I take it they are proponents of this philosophy? :) Cheers, Carl From OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jan 31 08:48:16 1997 From: OzHawks at PCMICRO.COM.AU (OzHawks) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:48:16 +1000 Subject: HW: OzHawk Page update Message-ID: Hi all, Sonique asked me to let you know that Jill & Mike's Codex and Discography are now on line in it's "final" form at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks. Also added is the "Stuff" page http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/stuff.html with info about T-shirts, Oz-made CD's and the like. Oh - and Hawkjoe's latest "Top 100" discography is on the ftp site: ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique And *finally* our DNS has been fixed, so if anyone who has had trouble getting to the OzHawks or ~Sonique pages ... try again and it should work. -- OzHawks The Australian Hawkwind Appreciation Society PO Box 884 Mail us an SAE for our free newsletter Mt Waverley "The Flying Doctor" VIC, 3149 http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Australia mailto:OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jan 31 09:06:25 1997 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 00:06:25 +1000 Subject: HW: Opinions Message-ID: On 30 Jan 97 at 10:45, Herb Rosenberg wrote (in a Private msg): > You know, you're still overdue for reviews of those tapes I sent ya > 6-8 months ago! Aren't you gonna tell the list what you think of Past Or > Future? :) How about any other recent Hawk-acquisations? I miss those old > reviews, we don't get those anymore... I know, I know .... My life has been so hectic you wouldn't believe. But just for the record .. PoF? is fan-bloody-tastic, so is the LoL/KoS boot, and the Alan Davey solo CD. Those are what stick in my mind at the moment .... I *will* start the record reviews again one day ... promise! > BTW: I got Nik's "Sphynx" CD (the '93 version) and it's pretty good... It's not bad actually, I agree! Paul -- "If you quoted this quote you'd quote that it was not worth quoting" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Jan 31 08:14:18 1997 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:14:18 +0000 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have just seen a CD advertised by a mail order company that I buy a few things from that has grabbed my attention! It's a Blue Oyster Cult 'Greatest Hits' package, and it says it is a German double CD containing 32 tracks, including unreleased tracks and b-sides. It's also fairly reasonably priced in the UK for a German import. I phoned them, but they couldn't lay their hands on a copy, so that didn't clarify things. Does anybody know anything about this? Is it a brand new package containing unreleased goodies and hard to find gems? Or is it WoTT repackaged or mistitled? I'd be interested to know, because if it is new then I've gotta have it! Martin From boblisa at SPRYNET.COM Fri Jan 31 11:26:53 1997 From: boblisa at SPRYNET.COM (Lisa Quinn) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:26:53 PST Subject: Hawkwind Tribute Band in Cleveland 2-1-97 Message-ID: Space Brothers, a Hawkwind tribute band is having a show Saturday, 2-1-97, in Cleveland OH. At the Symposium, 117th and Detroit. Admission is $5 at the door, and there will be some special guests at the show, including Tom the World Poet, who has toured with Gong. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 31 09:51:03 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:51:03 -0500 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD Message-ID: >It's a Blue Oyster Cult 'Greatest Hits' package, and it says it is a German double CD containing 32 tracks, including unreleased tracks and b-sides. I'm not sure, but I'd be willing to bet this is "Workshop of the Telescopes" -- WOTT is a double CD containing 32 tracks, including unreleased tracks and b-sides. You might want to check and see if you can find out the label and the release year. If it was released by Sony in 1995 (or very early in '96), then it's almost certainly WOTT. On the other hand, if the price is right, get someone who wants a copy of WOTT to buy it for you, and then you'll find out for sure. John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jan 31 12:02:00 1997 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:02:00 -0600 Subject: BOC Setlist/Other Stuff Message-ID: The BOC setlist is a function of being a gig band as opposed to planned tour band. They take shows on short notice rather than planning a production well in advance. The set changes we have seen over the last few years can be traced to having a break or two in there before accepting more gigs. Kind of makes them like traveling lounge lizards.8^). As long as they rock though when you see them its acceptable. Still even if they want to pick and choose between say 20 tunes to do changing the order of them can help. Why not do Stairways as an encore now and then. Sounds strange but if you see them often it could come across as a mild surprise. Hopefully they will keep GAoL in the setlist until next October, always been one of my faves. I will continue to pray that they leave songs like Cities on Flame and D&S out of the rotation though. They just don+t do these songs as well without a certain person+s singing and drumming to drive them. Instead give me more Subhuman, Perfect Water et, al. >> when Eric did sing, his voice sounded fine to me. >Huh? Is this a post from last year? I can only speak from the show I = saw, >and he couldn't sing and could barely talk. Has anybody else here seen = a >show within the last 3 months where Eric sang worth a shit? >Jack, I think it's time to see a doctor about your hearing and you can >forget about Dr. Music. He hasn't been around since last Summer (the = last >time we heard him sing This Ain't the Summer of Love). Howls Brad! No flames on the original author but I+m reminded of what the Thing once said to Spider Man once after hearing something like this -What have you been smoking kid, old tennis shoes?- Eric+s problems have been evident from as far back as last summer, and they don+t seem to be getting much better. Maybe this is all a ploy from the slickster to really put the emphasis on Buck as the bands best feature. One never knows. AL> but uh, no, I don't wanna be in Don's band. I don't think we really need > each other musically any more. Of course, I can only speak for myself. SS>Maybe Don would like to be in your band? :-) SS>You guys (and bro Joe) are among the great songwriters in the history of rock-n-roll, it's too bad you don't work together anymore. Not because any of you needs it, but because the combined efforts of the three of you produced a large portion of my favorite music, ever.- I think everybody on this list at least can respect Al+s sentiments, and Steve probably speaks for us all. What I wouldn+t pay to see just one spontaneous gig with you guys on stage together. Legendary. Peace and Love lil ab ob CD - Van Halen - Fair Warning (the way it should have been for this band) BTW anybody heard this cd with Pat Boone covering classic rock songs like a lounge lizard? Heard a cover of VH's Panama and almost hurt myself laughing. Is this thing real? From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Fri Jan 31 12:32:24 1997 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:32:24 -0800 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD Message-ID: dench wrote: > > I have just seen a CD advertised by a mail order company that I buy a few > things from that has grabbed my attention! > > It's a Blue Oyster Cult 'Greatest Hits' package, and it says it is a > German double CD containing 32 tracks, including unreleased tracks and > b-sides. It's also fairly reasonably priced in the UK for a German > import. I phoned them, but they couldn't lay their hands on a copy, so > that didn't clarify things. > > Does anybody know anything about this? Is it a brand new package > containing unreleased goodies and hard to find gems? Or is it WoTT > repackaged or mistitled? I'd be interested to know, because if it is new > then I've gotta have it! > > Martin I may be wrong (in fact, I usually am! :D ), but I'm pretty sure this *isn't* WotT. I think I saw a copy in Best Buy last month--it contains (among other stuff I can't remember) shortened versions of some songs from Imaginos ("...Frankenstein..." and "In the Presence of Another World," I think...maybe "I am the One..."). Anyway, that's what I *think* it is. As for it being worthwhile to buy, better ask Swartz or Bolle. :) -- Mike From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Jan 31 08:07:07 1997 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:07:07 -0000 Subject: Fw: Tapes's in the mail! Message-ID: A question-anyone ever had any problem with Visionary? I'm trying to get them to answer me on whether or not I can SAFELY do a credit card order through them.Are their shipping times ok? I'm trying to ordr the VCD "Chronicle of the Black Sword", but won't unless I get some info before-also anyone know if they take "First Virtual"??? Thanx for any help in advance!! Pam hi pam. why not call them directly? remember they are 5 hours ahead of you. their number is... +44 (0)1253 712453 i dint have any trouble when i ordered it,it got here fairly quick. but they will not help you get it to run. this is a funny thing,and you may not get it to work. your computer has to have the ability to play mpegs, and there is no exe file. it took me a couple of weeks to figure it out, and now i've forgotten how i did it. it will probably take me a little while to figure it out again. i do know that what ever i did doesnt work everytime. i had to go thru several errors b4 it worked. but if you do get it to work,and you have a good amount of video dram,it is really cool. sorry i couldnt help more... rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jan 31 13:30:05 1997 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:30:05 -0500 Subject: BOC Greatest Hits CD Message-ID: >I may be wrong (in fact, I usually am! :D ), but I'm pretty sure this *isn't* WotT. I think I saw a copy in Best Buy last month--it contains (among other stuff I can't remember) shortened versions of some songs from Imaginos ("...Frankenstein..." and "In the Presence of Another World," I think...maybe "I am the One..."). Is it possible you are confusing this with "The Reaper - Best"? There is a German compilation (Sony 1994 release, I think) which is a single CD containing BOC hits, and includes "I Am the One" and a cut version of "In the Presence" (doesn't contain "Frankenstein"). The cover is a pretty plain-looking pink with a red triangle on it, and the BOC logo. Is this what you saw at Best Buy? Also, this CD doesn't contain any rare cuts, but presumably has some noise reduction on some of the tracks (I didn't notice anything particularly different in the sound quality, but maybe others would). Also, the liner notes are in German, with a few pictures. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jan 31 14:12:09 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:12:09 -0500 Subject: Theo is naughty /John is Shy In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Jan 28, 97 10:17:00 am Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > What gives John your wife a lurker on BOC-L? 8^). Bass player do get > the chicks because they are usually the kewlest acting guys on stage. > Leadmen pose, guitarist gyrate and drummers are rarely seen. Meanwhile > bass players just sit there and crank it up. Now lets get Albert to > tell the truth...back in the day which member of the band pulled the > most chicks? C+mon Al you can tell us. My guess is Joe was "Da Man". Hey, according to the Cannonical List of Musician Jokes, that's the reason people learn to play the bass. If you guys have never seen the list, you should it's great. I probably have a copy of it around here somewhere... I do recall one of the jokes, a special one for Al: Q: What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? A: A drummer. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jan 31 14:20:14 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:20:14 -0500 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <29A8BB55A60@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Jan 30, 97 01:13:06 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > Well, Pam, thanks a lot for solving a mystery that has plagued me for > many years! I figured that there had to be some magical or otherwise > nefarious forces at work to explain the hellish racket that passes > for vocals at Rush gigs. I knew those sounds couldn't be the result > of human endeavor. I almost got busted for cruelty to animals when > I had to restrain my dog from jumping out of a speeding car when Rush > came over the radio. [...] Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) obBOC: so when's _Godot_ due out? :) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jan 31 14:27:30 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:27:30 -0500 Subject: tBS: Jam Session In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Jan 31, 97 11:49:26 am Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > As for "Unplugged" ... I'm with Animal, as heard on the _Kermit > > > Unplugged_ album: "Plug in! PLUG IN!!" :) > > > > Carl, have you ever listened to Big Black? > > Er, no. I take it they are proponents of this philosophy? :) Well, I just read that and thought of "Cables" (sort of the dawn of industrial music), where there's this truly awful ringing sound (cables ringing against each other / factory noise), and a growling/churning guitar sound, and some freak in the background screaming "LOUDER... LOUDER!!" Yeah, I think Steve Albini espouses that philosphy. Strongly. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Jan 31 14:47:33 1997 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:47:33 -0500 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Steve opines: >Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history >of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since >he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) Martyn PS I have considerable experience debating this subject in bars ;-) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Jan 31 15:19:29 1997 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 13:19:29 -0700 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > Steve opines: > > >Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history > >of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since > >he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) > > Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > > Martyn > > PS I have considerable experience debating this subject in bars ;-) I love Rush! I love Triumph, Yes, all those guys with the screechy vocals! I hafta admit tho, that Yes does wear on me after a while. The instrumentation of theirs is awesome, tho!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace from "Martyn White" at Jan 31, 97 02:47:33 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > Steve opines: > > >Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history > >of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since > >he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) > > Is a screech the same as a scream? Of course not! A screech is much more shill and cutting. Geddy can (correction: USED to be able to) cut eardrums into slices; I admire that in a singer. While we're on the subject, obBrainSurgeons: Deb doesn't have quite the shrill quality necessary for a Master's Award in this genre, but her live rendition of "Name Your Monster" definitely gets my "Critic's Choice" award for quality screaming. > For the most awesome scream > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) > > Martyn > > PS I have considerable experience debating this subject in bars ;-) Never heard "When the Music's Over", but Daltrey's scream in "Won't Get Fooled Again" is *amazing*. Steve swann at panix.com From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Jan 31 16:04:37 1997 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:04:37 -0700 Subject: tapes and things Message-ID: Martyn writes: >Is a screech the same as a scream? For the most awesome scream > in rock history, it surely has to be Jim Morrisson (When the musics > over) or Roger Daltrey (Won't get fooled again) Don't forget Roger Waters in "Careful with that axe, Eugene" (or was that scream real?) If you include older guys, Screamin' Jay Hawkins could deliver a righteous shriek as well (hence the name!). Chris From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Jan 31 18:26:12 1997 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:26:12 -0500 Subject: tapes and things In-Reply-To: <19970131211846.28835.qmail@mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Jan 31, 97 04:18:46 pm Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > > Martyn White writes: > > > > Steve opines: > > > > >Yer nuts, theo! Geddy had the most awesome screech in the history > > >of rock music. I haven't been able to listen to Rush ever since > > >he toned it down that ear-shredding vox. ;-) > > > > Is a screech the same as a scream? > > Of course not! A screech is much more shill and cutting. Geddy can > (correction: USED to be able to) cut eardrums into slices; I admire > that in a singer. > > While we're on the subject, obBrainSurgeons: Deb doesn't have quite > the shrill quality necessary for a Master's Award in this genre, but > her live rendition of "Name Your Monster" definitely gets my "Critic's > Choice" award for quality screaming. What a grevious error on my part: I of course meant "Time Will Take Care of You"! "Name Your Monster" is a great rockin' tune in its own right (and contains some most excellently delectable screaming), but it's not near the quality of "Time Will Take Care of You" which is a sculpted masterpiece of full-throated screaming perfection! Steve swann at panix.com From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jan 31 20:21:53 1997 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 20:21:53 -0500 Subject: BOC Setlist/Other Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >BTW anybody heard this cd with Pat Boone covering classic rock songs >like a lounge lizard? Heard a cover of VH's Panama and almost hurt >myself laughing. Is this thing real? uh, yeah its real.....98 rock in Baltimore has been playing quite a bit of it.... in fact, used it as a torture device to see if someone could listen to it for 4 hours straight to win Metallica tickets..... it's called something like "In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy" strange. Ted Alger ----------------------------------------------------------- That's Army stuff! It's got nothing to do with us! - Ernest Bilko ----------------------------------------------------------- And we wonder how machines Can steal each others' dreams >From points that are unseen...it's real... ----------------------------------------------------- - Queensr?che From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Fri Jan 31 21:02:08 1997 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:02:08 -0800 Subject: EB's Voice Message-ID: Ok Brad, so ya got a laugh at my expense. No problem. I guess I put that badly, saying EB sounded fine on the songs he did sing. My meaning was that last year, Eric would open his mouth and nothing came out, total loss of voice at times. This year, although it's not the same EB, it just seemed to me he was being careful, rather than having difficulty. And in talking to him, I couldn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Then again, standing up front, almost anything can go unnoticable to me. Whatever! Another show tomorrow, and I'll enjoy it, none the less. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Fri Jan 31 21:08:38 1997 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 03:08:38 +0100 Subject: BOC Setlist/Other Stuff Message-ID: >>BTW anybody heard this cd with Pat Boone covering classic rock songs >>like a lounge lizard? Heard a cover of VH's Panama and almost hurt >>myself laughing. Is this thing real? > >uh, yeah its real.....98 rock in Baltimore has been playing quite a bit of it.... >in fact, used it as a torture device to see if someone could listen to it >for 4 hours straight to win Metallica tickets..... >it's called something like "In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy" >strange. And if some of you watched the American Music Awards a few days/nights ago, you might have seen Pat Boone appearing in a black leather jacket, metal-style, next to... uh... Alice Cooper, I believe (unless my memory is playing tricks on me). They announced Boone as the future of heavy metal ! *LOL* Alice said "I hope this doesn't mean I'll have to sing your songs" ! *ROTFL* Sheesh. What a night. :-) Alex S. Garcia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash, Micronos and more to come...) ---------------------------------------------------------- From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Jan 31 22:18:58 1997 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:18:58 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind Tribute Band in Cleveland 2-1-97 Message-ID: > >Space Brothers, a Hawkwind tribute band is having a show Saturday, 2-1-97, >in Cleveland OH. At the Symposium, 117th and Detroit. Admission is $5 at >the door, and there will be some special guests at the show, including Tom >the World Poet, who has toured with Gong. From what I gleaned last week from 2 members of the band, this is not exactly a HW tribute. The guys from Sun Machine actually do not want to do the HW thing any more, at least not exclusively. They actually turned down offers to tour in the region. It will be more of a space jam - which is, of course, way cool. Tom the Poet is loads of fun too. Wylie From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Jan 31 23:46:57 1997 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:46:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Earplugs, Metallica, Pat Boone, Zappa et al In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Ted Alger wrote: > uh, yeah its real.....98 rock in Baltimore has been playing quite a bit of it.... > in fact, used it as a torture device to see if someone could listen to it > for 4 hours straight to win Metallica tickets..... > it's called something like "In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy" Speaking of Metallica, I got a ticket to their upcoming concert in (no, I am not kidding) Roanoke, VA. (Roanoke is diehard Country um.. country; apart from the recent Monster Truck Show and the Gun Traders Fayre, the only big name acts to stop off here on their sweep down to civilisation in North Carolina have been such notables as Reba McIntyre, Garth Brooks, and Clint Black. But then what can you expect from a city whose most famous son is Wayne Newton? But I digress...) Anyway, I forgot to save the info about suitable earplugs to wear to gigs last time it cropped up. I'm mindful about my hearing nowadays (maybe it's something to do with all the psychophysics I'm taking lately?:), so I don't want the high-frequency, high-pain sounds to have my ears ringing for days afterwards. (obHW: Oddly enough, the worst concert I ever attended for "ringing of the ears" later was a Groundhogs gig in Conwy; Hawkwind alumnus Dave Anderson was the bass player at that time. He wore fancy cowboy boots, I recall.) So, if anyone has anything specific/concrete to recommend, drop me a line via private e-mail. There are a couple of sports shops locally that, I'm pretty sure, sell guns, so I should be able to get something there, I guess. (Oh, and the local Wal-Mart has a gun section, too, for your shopping convenience.) > strange. Stranger still is the Frank-Zappa-link-to-Pat-Boone-Heavy-Metal (you can link Frank to everyone, somehow). It's via his son, Dweezil, who contributes guitar to Pat's album, so I'm informed. (He also contributed guitar to the last Spinal Tap album, so I guess he's used to playing on these whacky albums.) Btw, I saw a clip of Pat Boone on TV recently, and he looked ridiculous (let's make no bones about it). Pity they never played any of his new album, though. Maybe it would rank right up there with his crappy Little Richard covers. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Neil Young, _After the Gold Rush_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land.